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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
How many people have received their invites from Philly Freshman Showcase. Are they all out yet or are they still sending them out? What hotels to stay in?

I was told by a reliable source that they are not out yet. There are a few people with connections that know they are getting one...

Again, not first hand info.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was told by a reliable source that they are not out yet. There are a few people with connections that know they are getting one...

Again, not first hand info.

First hand, some have been received

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was told by a reliable source that they are not out yet. There are a few people with connections that know they are getting one...

Again, not first hand info.

First hand, some have been received

Is your club team playing in the event the next day? Just wondering?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was told by a reliable source that they are not out yet. There are a few people with connections that know they are getting one...

Again, not first hand info.

First hand, some have been received

Is your club team playing in the event the next day? Just wondering?

honestly do not know the answer to that, tryouts haven't even been announced and don't know what team he will be on or what the fall schedule will be

some of the express terps kids got them as early as last month

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was told by a reliable source that they are not out yet. There are a few people with connections that know they are getting one...

Again, not first hand info.

First hand, some have been received

Is your club team playing in the event the next day? Just wondering?

honestly do not know the answer to that, tryouts haven't even been announced and don't know what team he will be on or what the fall schedule will be

I think some people may be confused about this event. It is a two day event, club teams playing on Sunday, individuals playing on Saturday.

the invites everyone is waiting on are for the Saturday individual event. for the Sunday event, yes our team is going but we have not yest received the individual invite for Saturday although we are told my son will get one.

Like everything else in life, if you are the top four players on your AA travel team, you will get an invite. If you are on terps, extreme, dukes, you can probably get invite if coach ranks you top 7...

For those that are just waiting, make sure you tell your coach that you want to get your son in. If you leave this one to luck, you wont get the invite to Saturday...

The guys sending the invites are doing so based upon coach recommendations. so if Mike C or sal say my whole team should be picked, the philly guys will say we can't do that so give me your top 7 or so choices. For realistic people who know where they stand on their club, use your HS coach if you are not top of club team...

Some free advice from someone that has been through this before...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

some of the express terps kids got them as early as last month

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was told by a reliable source that they are not out yet. There are a few people with connections that know they are getting one...

Again, not first hand info.

First hand, some have been received

Is your club team playing in the event the next day? Just wondering?

honestly do not know the answer to that, tryouts haven't even been announced and don't know what team he will be on or what the fall schedule will be

hard to believe that anybody was invited in June

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think some people may be confused about this event. It is a two day event, club teams playing on Sunday, individuals playing on Saturday.

the invites everyone is waiting on are for the Saturday individual event. for the Sunday event, yes our team is going but we have not yest received the individual invite for Saturday although we are told my son will get one.

Like everything else in life, if you are the top four players on your AA travel team, you will get an invite. If you are on terps, extreme, dukes, you can probably get invite if coach ranks you top 7...

For those that are just waiting, make sure you tell your coach that you want to get your son in. If you leave this one to luck, you wont get the invite to Saturday...

The guys sending the invites are doing so based upon coach recommendations. so if Mike C or sal say my whole team should be picked, the philly guys will say we can't do that so give me your top 7 or so choices. For realistic people who know where they stand on their club, use your HS coach if you are not top of club team...

Some free advice from someone that has been through this before...

spot on post, the only thing I would add is if you have been contacted or in contact with a college and/or have a relationship with a college coach, they can also recommend a player and college coach recommendations carry a lot of weight

i posted above that the invites weren't out, my kid got one this afternoon...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i posted above that the invites weren't out, my kid got one this afternoon...

congrats

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i posted above that the invites weren't out, my kid got one this afternoon...

well done... i wouldn't get your hopes up and don't get discouraged. 36 of the 200 were from Long Island, but that is still quite low with the talent pool.

Last year breakdown:
LI Express - 12
Team91 - 8
fl$ - 6
Team LI - 4
LI Outlaws - 3
GC - 2
Jesters - 1

where do you see the invites? webpage somewhere?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i posted above that the invites weren't out, my kid got one this afternoon...

well done... i wouldn't get your hopes up and don't get discouraged. 36 of the 200 were from Long Island, but that is still quite low with the talent pool.

Last year breakdown:
LI Express - 12
Team91 - 8
fl$ - 6
Team LI - 4
LI Outlaws - 3
GC - 2
Jesters - 1

There were 232 invited last year.... and 55 were from NY and the above listed were from Long Island.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

where do you see the invites? webpage somewhere?

Last years!!!!

What ever happened to the guy that was claiming the first 2018 early commit? Haven't seen anything on 2018 yet??

are all the Philly showcase invites out already?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

are all the Philly showcase invites out already?

You can still register. So assume it is not.

2018 terps in lake placid finished the day 2-0 beating u-15 fca in last second.

[quote=Anonymous]2018 terps in lake placid finished the day 2-0 beating u-15 fca in last second. [/quote

Breaking News!! That's for the news flash Terps Dad!

your welcome! must be interested in updates or you wouldn't be trolling this site...

that is playing up...and there were only 30 kids...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2018 terps in lake placid finished the day 2-0 beating u-15 fca in last second. [/quote

Breaking News!! That's for the news flash Terps Dad!

No players or teams of note are at that silly convention of a tourney. And FCA is a team of whatever they could scrape together at the last moment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

your welcome! must be interested in updates or you wouldn't be trolling this site...

Not really. Looking at tryout information. But keep us posted. Can't wait to hear about today's games. No one else is playing in August so gives everyone something to read about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

your welcome! must be interested in updates or you wouldn't be trolling this site...

Not really. Looking at tryout information. But keep us posted. Can't wait to hear about today's games. No one else is playing in August so gives everyone something to read about.

thank you for the updates, we were on the team this year but could not make it this week and since JR is not texting me updates and the tourney does not post results it is nice to keep up with the team on BOTC........

August is a football month. No reason to attend a lax event in August. August tournaments are just another excuse to throw away cash.

to the guy trashing this convention of a tourny--Guess your kid didn't get invited to come play with fca...a few turtles did and all catholics well represented. not a joke tourny as far as i have seen. plenty of commits here playing.

Just dont read updates if you are not interested.

For tryout guy--every team puts them on the website, no need to look here

Originally Posted by Anonymous

to the guy trashing this convention of a tourny--Guess your kid didn't get invited to come play with fca...a few turtles did and all catholics well represented. not a joke tourny as far as i have seen. plenty of commits here playing.

Just dont read updates if you are not interested.

For tryout guy--every team puts them on the website, no need to look here

Was invited to play with fca, knew it would be a waste of time. Good decision for us, also, Turtles brought nothing to fca, it was an embarrassment. Why was tourney a joke, because they lost?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

your welcome! must be interested in updates or you wouldn't be trolling this site...

Not really. Looking at tryout information. But keep us posted. Can't wait to hear about today's games. No one else is playing in August so gives everyone something to read about.

thank you for the updates, we were on the team this year but could not make it this week and since JR is not texting me updates and the tourney does not post results it is nice to keep up with the team on BOTC........

Couldn't make it? The team went to a tournament with only 32 players ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

to the guy trashing this convention of a tourny--Guess your kid didn't get invited to come play with fca...a few turtles did and all catholics well represented. not a joke tourny as far as i have seen. plenty of commits here playing.

Just dont read updates if you are not interested.

For tryout guy--every team puts them on the website, no need to look here

Bla bla bla please keep telling us how good your kid is. Everyone wants to hear.

Guess we know your son was not asked to be on terps and you feel the need to bad mouth...

where did poster say anything about his kid?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

August is a football month. No reason to attend a lax event in August. August tournaments are just another excuse to throw away cash.

August is a football month, no need to go to a lax website.....is it possible that there are some kids that don't play football, this tournament has been around 25 years so it must have some allure - perhaps that it is in a beautiful resort town with a lot of things for the whole family to do and you can have a really nice family vacation and also play some lacrosse....imagine a tournament that was just for fun

2017 orange beat 2018 terps in semi 8-5 for those who like the updates. for those that don't care, I already know your thoughts so please dont respond.

Yes my son [i][/i] was only one out of 50 kids not ask to play. Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

to the guy trashing this convention of a tourny--Guess your kid didn't get invited to come play with fca...a few turtles did and all catholics well represented. not a joke tourny as far as i have seen. plenty of commits here playing.

Just dont read updates if you are not interested.

For tryout guy--every team puts them on the website, no need to look here

So just how many top 10 D1 coaches are chilling on the sidelines up there anyway? My guess is prob a whopping zero (unless they are playing in the masters tournament)

Yes; a convention of a tourney... Terps begging kids to go; FCA filling spot just as mentioned by whatever mercenaries they can get, sweet lax trying to make a "committed only team" that serves only to sweeten their club's name if they win.....

Twerps beating twerps in the semi's? .......wow.

Seriously....not on the "must be there" radar for anyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

to the guy trashing this convention of a tourny--Guess your kid didn't get invited to come play with fca...a few turtles did and all catholics well represented. not a joke tourny as far as i have seen. plenty of commits here playing.

Just dont read updates if you are not interested.

For tryout guy--every team puts them on the website, no need to look here

So just how many top 10 D1 coaches are chilling on the sidelines up there anyway? My guess is prob a whopping zero (unless they are playing in the masters tournament)

Yes; a convention of a tourney... Terps begging kids to go; FCA filling spot just as mentioned by whatever mercenaries they can get, sweet lax trying to make a "committed only team" that serves only to sweeten their club's name if they win.....

Twerps beating twerps in the semi's? .......wow.

Seriously....not on the "must be there" radar for anyone.

Hate all you want but this has been a well run tourney with some great competition in a great setting. You will be hard pressed to find anybody here say a bad thing about the experience. Are there college coaches here? No, but that may be part of the great experience. The kids seem to be having a blast and the adults are all very well behaved. But keep on hating all you unhappy souls.

you are everything wrong with lax...just another jackass without a brain...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

to the guy trashing this convention of a tourny--Guess your kid didn't get invited to come play with fca...a few turtles did and all catholics well represented. not a joke tourny as far as i have seen. plenty of commits here playing.

Just dont read updates if you are not interested.

For tryout guy--every team puts them on the website, no need to look here

Was invited to play with fca, knew it would be a waste of time. Good decision for us, also, Turtles brought nothing to fca, it was an embarrassment. Why was tourney a joke, because they lost?

sounds like you're in need of some fellowship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

to the guy trashing this convention of a tourny--Guess your kid didn't get invited to come play with fca...a few turtles did and all catholics well represented. not a joke tourny as far as i have seen. plenty of commits here playing.

Just dont read updates if you are not interested.

For tryout guy--every team puts them on the website, no need to look here

So just how many top 10 D1 coaches are chilling on the sidelines up there anyway? My guess is prob a whopping zero (unless they are playing in the masters tournament)

Yes; a convention of a tourney... Terps begging kids to go; FCA filling spot just as mentioned by whatever mercenaries they can get, sweet lax trying to make a "committed only team" that serves only to sweeten their club's name if they win.....

Twerps beating twerps in the semi's? .......wow.

Seriously....not on the "must be there" radar for anyone.

I am so glad that your son does not play on the Terps or for any of the teams at Lake Placid now. I could only imagine how you'd behave on the sideline. Lake Placid is a beautiful place to visit and sometimes it's just about having fun playing a great game of lacrosse. This is why the boys began playing this game in the first place-for fun. All the parents knew that no coaches would be here. I feel sorry that you feel the only lacrosse worth playing is in front of D1 coaches. I feel sorry that you don't understand that and most of all I feel sorry for your child because I'm pretty sure you will kill his love of this game. Go back and read what you wrote and ask yourself, "Would I be proud of myself if my family knew I wrote this?"

I would hope that anyone with a sense of the pride and tradition of the game of lacrosse would not come on a forum and bash the Lake Placid Tournament. After the Vail Shootout, it was the only game in town for years and was a tournament that everyone aspired to play in for the overall atmosphere and experience. I might be nostalgic, but I think it still holds that mystique to people who have been around the game for years. You compete hard, but at the end of the day friendships are forged and bonds are created that last for years and decades, that is why people have been going back for 25 years, that is why Lake Placid and Vail will always have a special place in this game. It is a different time and it is a different sport, but you are still an athlete and when you go into town you are walking in the same places that Jim Craig, Eric Heiden and Mike Eruzione, among others walked. That humbling experience alone is why as an athlete you go to Lake Placid, the tournament is not about self promotion but about promoting the game. Something I think we need more of.
Bob Bohanan Annapolis, Md

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would hope that anyone with a sense of the pride and tradition of the game of lacrosse would not come on a forum and bash the Lake Placid Tournament. After the Vail Shootout, it was the only game in town for years and was a tournament that everyone aspired to play in for the overall atmosphere and experience. I might be nostalgic, but I think it still holds that mystique to people who have been around the game for years. You compete hard, but at the end of the day friendships are forged and bonds are created that last for years and decades, that is why people have been going back for 25 years, that is why Lake Placid and Vail will always have a special place in this game. It is a different time and it is a different sport, but you are still an athlete and when you go into town you are walking in the same places that Jim Craig, Eric Heiden and Mike Eruzione, among others walked. That humbling experience alone is why as an athlete you go to Lake Placid, the tournament is not about self promotion but about promoting the game. Something I think we need more of.
Bob Bohanan Annapolis, Md

So many have forgotten what the game itself is about.

Thank you for reminding us all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would hope that anyone with a sense of the pride and tradition of the game of lacrosse would not come on a forum and bash the Lake Placid Tournament. After the Vail Shootout, it was the only game in town for years and was a tournament that everyone aspired to play in for the overall atmosphere and experience. I might be nostalgic, but I think it still holds that mystique to people who have been around the game for years. You compete hard, but at the end of the day friendships are forged and bonds are created that last for years and decades, that is why people have been going back for 25 years, that is why Lake Placid and Vail will always have a special place in this game. It is a different time and it is a different sport, but you are still an athlete and when you go into town you are walking in the same places that Jim Craig, Eric Heiden and Mike Eruzione, among others walked. That humbling experience alone is why as an athlete you go to Lake Placid, the tournament is not about self promotion but about promoting the game. Something I think we need more of.
Bob Bohanan Annapolis, Md

So many have forgotten what the game itself is about.

Thank you for reminding us all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

to the guy trashing this convention of a tourny--Guess your kid didn't get invited to come play with fca...a few turtles did and all catholics well represented. not a joke tourny as far as i have seen. plenty of commits here playing.

Just dont read updates if you are not interested.

For tryout guy--every team puts them on the website, no need to look here

So just how many top 10 D1 coaches are chilling on the sidelines up there anyway? My guess is prob a whopping zero (unless they are playing in the masters tournament)

Yes; a convention of a tourney... Terps begging kids to go; FCA filling spot just as mentioned by whatever mercenaries they can get, sweet lax trying to make a "committed only team" that serves only to sweeten their club's name if they win.....

Twerps beating twerps in the semi's? .......wow.

Seriously....not on the "must be there" radar for anyone.

I am so glad that your son does not play on the Terps or for any of the teams at Lake Placid now. I could only imagine how you'd behave on the sideline. Lake Placid is a beautiful place to visit and sometimes it's just about having fun playing a great game of lacrosse. This is why the boys began playing this game in the first place-for fun. All the parents knew that no coaches would be here. I feel sorry that you feel the only lacrosse worth playing is in front of D1 coaches. I feel sorry that you don't understand that and most of all I feel sorry for your child because I'm pretty sure you will kill his love of this game. Go back and read what you wrote and ask yourself, "Would I be proud of myself if my family knew I wrote this?"

Unfortunately lacrosse has attracted some of the most horrible people. ..classless.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would hope that anyone with a sense of the pride and tradition of the game of lacrosse would not come on a forum and bash the Lake Placid Tournament. After the Vail Shootout, it was the only game in town for years and was a tournament that everyone aspired to play in for the overall atmosphere and experience. I might be nostalgic, but I think it still holds that mystique to people who have been around the game for years. You compete hard, but at the end of the day friendships are forged and bonds are created that last for years and decades, that is why people have been going back for 25 years, that is why Lake Placid and Vail will always have a special place in this game. It is a different time and it is a different sport, but you are still an athlete and when you go into town you are walking in the same places that Jim Craig, Eric Heiden and Mike Eruzione, among others walked. That humbling experience alone is why as an athlete you go to Lake Placid, the tournament is not about self promotion but about promoting the game. Something I think we need more of.
Bob Bohanan Annapolis, Md

Bravo, Bob! People have lost sight of things. We were recently at the Brine and for this age it is not a recruiting event. One parent said "what a waste to come here." Because there were no coaches.

Being among the first money grab events is not an excuse for holding a poorly timed event. The club travel season is already too long. Unless these events are poorly attended and lose money for the organizer, the season will continue to expand. I am sure this event is finely run and nostalgic, but why is it held in August?

The months of June and July are ample for Summer travel. If you send your club team to an August event you are contributing to the mania and hurting the game. This is the way I see the current calendar. Bob, are you telling me this is not enough lacrosse for you? Back in the day it was one of two events now it is one of hundreds.

JAN - HS/College pre-season strength/conditioning
FEB - HS/College tryouts/season starts
MAR - HS/College/Youth season
APR - HS/College/Youth season
MAY - HS/College/Youth season
JUN - Club season
JUL - Club season
AUG - Dead month/vacation
SEP - School begins Fall Ball workouts (strength/conditioning)
OCT - HS/College/Youth Fall Ball
NOV - Club Fall Ball
DEC - Holiday season (strength/conditioning)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Being among the first money grab events is not an excuse for holding a poorly timed event. The club travel season is already too long. Unless these events are poorly attended and lose money for the organizer, the season will continue to expand. I am sure this event is finely run and nostalgic, but why is it held in August?

The months of June and July are ample for Summer travel. If you send your club team to an August event you are contributing to the mania and hurting the game. This is the way I see the current calendar. Bob, are you telling me this is not enough lacrosse for you? Back in the day it was one of two events now it is one of hundreds.

JAN - HS/College pre-season strength/conditioning
FEB - HS/College tryouts/season starts
MAR - HS/College/Youth season
APR - HS/College/Youth season
MAY - HS/College/Youth season
JUN - Club season
JUL - Club season
AUG - Dead month/vacation
SEP - School begins Fall Ball workouts (strength/conditioning)
OCT - HS/College/Youth Fall Ball
NOV - Club Fall Ball
DEC - Holiday season (strength/conditioning)

Where did the fun go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Being among the first money grab events is not an excuse for holding a poorly timed event. The club travel season is already too long. Unless these events are poorly attended and lose money for the organizer, the season will continue to expand. I am sure this event is finely run and nostalgic, but why is it held in August?

The months of June and July are ample for Summer travel. If you send your club team to an August event you are contributing to the mania and hurting the game. This is the way I see the current calendar. Bob, are you telling me this is not enough lacrosse for you? Back in the day it was one of two events now it is one of hundreds.

JAN - HS/College pre-season strength/conditioning
FEB - HS/College tryouts/season starts
MAR - HS/College/Youth season
APR - HS/College/Youth season
MAY - HS/College/Youth season
JUN - Club season
JUL - Club season
AUG - Dead month/vacation
SEP - School begins Fall Ball workouts (strength/conditioning)
OCT - HS/College/Youth Fall Ball
NOV - Club Fall Ball
DEC - Holiday season (strength/conditioning)

Correction:

Aug - Clinics and training sessions to prepare for tryouts and for some clubs tryouts themselves

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Being among the first money grab events is not an excuse for holding a poorly timed event. The club travel season is already too long. Unless these events are poorly attended and lose money for the organizer, the season will continue to expand. I am sure this event is finely run and nostalgic, but why is it held in August?

The months of June and July are ample for Summer travel. If you send your club team to an August event you are contributing to the mania and hurting the game. This is the way I see the current calendar. Bob, are you telling me this is not enough lacrosse for you? Back in the day it was one of two events now it is one of hundreds.

JAN - HS/College pre-season strength/conditioning
FEB - HS/College tryouts/season starts
MAR - HS/College/Youth season
APR - HS/College/Youth season
MAY - HS/College/Youth season
JUN - Club season
JUL - Club season
AUG - Dead month/vacation
SEP - School begins Fall Ball workouts (strength/conditioning)
OCT - HS/College/Youth Fall Ball
NOV - Club Fall Ball
DEC - Holiday season (strength/conditioning)

Correction:

Aug - Clinics and training sessions to prepare for tryouts and for some clubs tryouts themselves

I think they have got to put the stick DOWN...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Being among the first money grab events is not an excuse for holding a poorly timed event. The club travel season is already too long. Unless these events are poorly attended and lose money for the organizer, the season will continue to expand. I am sure this event is finely run and nostalgic, but why is it held in August?

The months of June and July are ample for Summer travel. If you send your club team to an August event you are contributing to the mania and hurting the game. This is the way I see the current calendar. Bob, are you telling me this is not enough lacrosse for you? Back in the day it was one of two events now it is one of hundreds.

JAN - HS/College pre-season strength/conditioning
FEB - HS/College tryouts/season starts
MAR - HS/College/Youth season
APR - HS/College/Youth season
MAY - HS/College/Youth season
JUN - Club season
JUL - Club season
AUG - Dead month/vacation
SEP - School begins Fall Ball workouts (strength/conditioning)
OCT - HS/College/Youth Fall Ball
NOV - Club Fall Ball
DEC - Holiday season (strength/conditioning)

Correction:

Aug - Clinics and training sessions to prepare for tryouts and for some clubs tryouts themselves

F'n ridiculous August. yes Workout to stay fit. August don't touch the stick for 2 weeks. then maybe do the wall and a sporadic clinic.

Swimming is the best sport. August is to SWIM SWIM SWIM in ocean in pools in lakes. Do you sons all a favor have them swim

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Being among the first money grab events is not an excuse for holding a poorly timed event. The club travel season is already too long. Unless these events are poorly attended and lose money for the organizer, the season will continue to expand. I am sure this event is finely run and nostalgic, but why is it held in August?

The months of June and July are ample for Summer travel. If you send your club team to an August event you are contributing to the mania and hurting the game. This is the way I see the current calendar. Bob, are you telling me this is not enough lacrosse for you? Back in the day it was one of two events now it is one of hundreds.

JAN - HS/College pre-season strength/conditioning
FEB - HS/College tryouts/season starts
MAR - HS/College/Youth season
APR - HS/College/Youth season
MAY - HS/College/Youth season
JUN - Club season
JUL - Club season
AUG - Dead month/vacation
SEP - School begins Fall Ball workouts (strength/conditioning)
OCT - HS/College/Youth Fall Ball
NOV - Club Fall Ball
DEC - Holiday season (strength/conditioning)

Correction:

Aug - Clinics and training sessions to prepare for tryouts and for some clubs tryouts themselves

F'n ridiculous August. yes Workout to stay fit. August don't touch the stick for 2 weeks. then maybe do the wall and a sporadic clinic.

Swimming is the best sport. August is to SWIM SWIM SWIM in ocean in pools in lakes. Do you sons all a favor have them swim

The correction post was sarcasm

Its crazy. What if your kid is a multi sport athlete? Is it crazy to ask them to pick one sport at 14. At a recent lacrosse showcase the coaches involved in a Q & A session specifically said that they prefer athletes that played other sports. That playing other sports helps them not only physically but mentally. With the demands that are placed on these kids isn't it almost impossible to play more than one sport at a high level. Seeing the injuries that many young athletes are suffering, could it be attributed to repetitive use and only playing one sport. When we grew up we played every sport under the sun developing our whole bodies. Now with sport specific training you tend to train to the one sport you play and neglect other regions of your body. How many kids did you know in the 70's and 80's that needed knee surgery or Tommy John. I can recall none.

just a thought......do what ever you want and what your kid wants to do and enjoy. we do what we want based on what he and his friends want to do.not based on a calendar - if he has a conflict (family vacation or another sport vs. lax) we let him decide and he usually always picks lax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Being among the first money grab events is not an excuse for holding a poorly timed event. The club travel season is already too long. Unless these events are poorly attended and lose money for the organizer, the season will continue to expand. I am sure this event is finely run and nostalgic, but why is it held in August?

The months of June and July are ample for Summer travel. If you send your club team to an August event you are contributing to the mania and hurting the game. This is the way I see the current calendar. Bob, are you telling me this is not enough lacrosse for you? Back in the day it was one of two events now it is one of hundreds.

JAN - HS/College pre-season strength/conditioning
FEB - HS/College tryouts/season starts
MAR - HS/College/Youth season
APR - HS/College/Youth season
MAY - HS/College/Youth season
JUN - Club season
JUL - Club season
AUG - Dead month/vacation
SEP - School begins Fall Ball workouts (strength/conditioning)
OCT - HS/College/Youth Fall Ball
NOV - Club Fall Ball
DEC - Holiday season (strength/conditioning)

You seemed to have totally missed my point,yet at the same time proved my point. I believe Lake Placid has always been around this time of year, so they didn't move. June and July are jammed with tourneys for third and fourth grade recruiting purposes, this is not one of those tournaments. You said take a vacation in August, that is what a lot of these families are doing, a vacation with a handful of games thrown in the middle. If that is what they are choosing and what they want, who are we to criticize them. I don't see football/soccer in the fall or basketball/wrestling in the winter on your time table. I think that is a bigger concern than five or six days in August.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its crazy. What if your kid is a multi sport athlete? Is it crazy to ask them to pick one sport at 14. At a recent lacrosse showcase the coaches involved in a Q & A session specifically said that they prefer athletes that played other sports. That playing other sports helps them not only physically but mentally. With the demands that are placed on these kids isn't it almost impossible to play more than one sport at a high level. Seeing the injuries that many young athletes are suffering, could it be attributed to repetitive use and only playing one sport. When we grew up we played every sport under the sun developing our whole bodies. Now with sport specific training you tend to train to the one sport you play and neglect other regions of your body. How many kids did you know in the 70's and 80's that needed knee surgery or Tommy John. I can recall none.

First of all, no one was playing 30 (40 -50 for recruiting years) summer games of lax after the school season. That's a fact. Further, no one started playing any of these sports for the most part until Jr HS. (they call it middle school now) Same thing with baseball. You are right, except for a very few select natural athletes, it's impossible not to keep working at lax to stay with the pack. As far as injuries, I suggest you look into a good overall weight training program, one that should be done year round. One that focuses on a balanced physique, full body development, and injury prevention. It is the answer to the repetitive injury problem, as the whole body is worked and weaknesses are addressed. Please, stay away from the shoots and ladder programs, more injuries to be had there... Not against other sports, but not going to force my kid to play one either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Being among the first money grab events is not an excuse for holding a poorly timed event. The club travel season is already too long. Unless these events are poorly attended and lose money for the organizer, the season will continue to expand. I am sure this event is finely run and nostalgic, but why is it held in August?

The months of June and July are ample for Summer travel. If you send your club team to an August event you are contributing to the mania and hurting the game. This is the way I see the current calendar. Bob, are you telling me this is not enough lacrosse for you? Back in the day it was one of two events now it is one of hundreds.

JAN - HS/College pre-season strength/conditioning
FEB - HS/College tryouts/season starts
MAR - HS/College/Youth season
APR - HS/College/Youth season
MAY - HS/College/Youth season
JUN - Club season
JUL - Club season
AUG - Dead month/vacation
SEP - School begins Fall Ball workouts (strength/conditioning)
OCT - HS/College/Youth Fall Ball
NOV - Club Fall Ball
DEC - Holiday season (strength/conditioning)

Correction:

Aug - Clinics and training sessions to prepare for tryouts and for some clubs tryouts themselves

You have to prepare end of July if you want to try out for Team Long Island.

First 2018 commit is supposed to be from Madlax heading to Hopkins.

Just heard the same thing. Also know of one other that is about to commit from LI...to UNC

Heard UNC commit is done waiting to announce

You folks are out of your minds.

The name of the madlax kid was released - he is not a reclass as he was on the U13 madlax team that went to [lacrosse]'s

Congrats to him and his family - JHU is a great school

Glad he is not older

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You folks are out of your minds.

Why do you say that? People talking about 2018 kids committing to college are out of their minds? Huh?

These early recruiting coaches will be doing a resume before the U-13 commits are shaving more than once a week. I am 45 years old, about what a college coach would be. Must be at some level humiliating for them to be doing this musical chairs for spots thing with 8th or 9th graders. Seemed like last year Dom Starsia complained about how embarrassing it is to watch 9th graders play lacrosse. No wait; that was last year. Good for kids and families to get a college opportunity. Not so good for the coaches who will be stuck with kids who may or may not develop in the next 4-5 years before they even get to college.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These early recruiting coaches will be doing a resume before the U-13 commits are shaving more than once a week. I am 45 years old, about what a college coach would be. Must be at some level humiliating for them to be doing this musical chairs for spots thing with 8th or 9th graders. Seemed like last year Dom Starsia complained about how embarrassing it is to watch 9th graders play lacrosse. No wait; that was last year. Good for kids and families to get a college opportunity. Not so good for the coaches who will be stuck with kids who may or may not develop in the next 4-5 years before they even get to college.

Recently spoke to an asst coach at a top ACC school who's program is "very concerned about their early commits". Yet it keeps on going... Absolute insane process, best of luck and congrats to the kids. They can only work within the system.

Who will be the first 2018 from LI to announce? Will it be from 91 or Express?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The name of the madlax kid was released - he is not a reclass as he was on the U13 madlax team that went to [lacrosse]'s

Congrats to him and his family - JHU is a great school

Glad he is not older

Who cares if he is a reclass or not? It's none of your business.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who will be the first 2018 from LI to announce? Will it be from 91 or Express?

One of the extreme kids would be my bet

not 91 or express from what I heard. Kid from another program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who will be the first 2018 from LI to announce? Will it be from 91 or Express?

This makes sound sense.
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/be-smart-parents-timing-of-verbal-commmitments/22542

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who will be the first 2018 from LI to announce? Will it be from 91 or Express?

What is more important, early commit or right commit? My son wants to study Bovine Scatology. Most D1 Lacrosse schools offer this.

Already done and not 91 or express

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These early recruiting coaches will be doing a resume before the U-13 commits are shaving more than once a week. I am 45 years old, about what a college coach would be. Must be at some level humiliating for them to be doing this musical chairs for spots thing with 8th or 9th graders. Seemed like last year Dom Starsia complained about how embarrassing it is to watch 9th graders play lacrosse. No wait; that was last year. Good for kids and families to get a college opportunity. Not so good for the coaches who will be stuck with kids who may or may not develop in the next 4-5 years before they even get to college.

Recently spoke to an asst coach at a top ACC school who's program is "very concerned about their early commits". Yet it keeps on going... Absolute insane process, best of luck and congrats to the kids. They can only work within the system.

Yup- I'm sure you DID talk to asst acc coach - trying to get him to look at ur pathetic son. It's incredible the asinine things grown people say!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The name of the madlax kid was released - he is not a reclass as he was on the U13 madlax team that went to [lacrosse]'s

Congrats to him and his family - JHU is a great school

Glad he is not older

Why?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who will be the first 2018 from LI to announce? Will it be from 91 or Express?

What is more important, early commit or right commit? My son wants to study Bovine Scatology. Most D1 Lacrosse schools offer this.

I would have to say the right commit, IMO, 95% of the 2018s haven't a clue on what they want to study or what they want to study. If they are committing based on lacrosse, they are going to probably be miserable. I guess parents and players who have gone to the showcases haven't been listening to what the coaches keep emphasizing, "go to the school as if you were not playing a sport and not for the sport." Who knows what might happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These early recruiting coaches will be doing a resume before the U-13 commits are shaving more than once a week. I am 45 years old, about what a college coach would be. Must be at some level humiliating for them to be doing this musical chairs for spots thing with 8th or 9th graders. Seemed like last year Dom Starsia complained about how embarrassing it is to watch 9th graders play lacrosse. No wait; that was last year. Good for kids and families to get a college opportunity. Not so good for the coaches who will be stuck with kids who may or may not develop in the next 4-5 years before they even get to college.

I have a kid in this age group (true 2018 b-day) and we have talked to several schools that have expressed interest. I completely agree that it is too soon, but by the same token, what are we supposed to do? Tell the coach we are not interested in your great school and want to wait two years?

These coaches are all following the early path, they started it, not us. Should we say to a great school no thanks for the offer of $ to attend your school?

UNC, JHP, Michigan, ND, UVA are all doing it. My understanding is that Ivies and Duke want a full year of HS grades first.

I know my kid is not ready to make life choices, but I am pretty sure that sending him to any of the above will not be a mistake...For all the doubters out there, half of these kids would never get into these schools without Lax. Do you know what the acceptance rates at these institutions are? How many of you knew what you wanted to do for a living in college? I sure didn't but the school I went to was the one that I could afford...today, that is more important than anything.

In our house it is grades first, everything else second, but the only way a kid from LI is getting IVY or Duke for that matter is a perfect SAT and a resume that shows that he overcame some tragedy. Or because he can play Lax...

For the UVA, Michigans and others above, they send out plenty of rejection letters to LI every year, if your kid gets into any of them, you should be proud.

Not sure this is worthy of any debate. If your kid gets recruited and you think there is too much risk with a choice to attend ND, then say no and wait and see what happens.

For my family, a kid going to any of the above would be a step above any NYS Suny school...No disrespect to Stony Brook or Albany or Penn State, I am sure they are all great schools, but they aren't UVA, Michigan, Duke...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These early recruiting coaches will be doing a resume before the U-13 commits are shaving more than once a week. I am 45 years old, about what a college coach would be. Must be at some level humiliating for them to be doing this musical chairs for spots thing with 8th or 9th graders. Seemed like last year Dom Starsia complained about how embarrassing it is to watch 9th graders play lacrosse. No wait; that was last year. Good for kids and families to get a college opportunity. Not so good for the coaches who will be stuck with kids who may or may not develop in the next 4-5 years before they even get to college.

I have a kid in this age group (true 2018 b-day) and we have talked to several schools that have expressed interest. I completely agree that it is too soon, but by the same token, what are we supposed to do? Tell the coach we are not interested in your great school and want to wait two years?

These coaches are all following the early path, they started it, not us. Should we say to a great school no thanks for the offer of $ to attend your school?

UNC, JHP, Michigan, ND, UVA are all doing it. My understanding is that Ivies and Duke want a full year of HS grades first.

I know my kid is not ready to make life choices, but I am pretty sure that sending him to any of the above will not be a mistake...For all the doubters out there, half of these kids would never get into these schools without Lax. Do you know what the acceptance rates at these institutions are? How many of you knew what you wanted to do for a living in college? I sure didn't but the school I went to was the one that I could afford...today, that is more important than anything.

In our house it is grades first, everything else second, but the only way a kid from LI is getting IVY or Duke for that matter is a perfect SAT and a resume that shows that he overcame some tragedy. Or because he can play Lax...

For the UVA, Michigans and others above, they send out plenty of rejection letters to LI every year, if your kid gets into any of them, you should be proud.

Not sure this is worthy of any debate. If your kid gets recruited and you think there is too much risk with a choice to attend ND, then say no and wait and see what happens.

For my family, a kid going to any of the above would be a step above any NYS Suny school...No disrespect to Stony Brook or Albany or Penn State, I am sure they are all great schools, but they aren't UVA, Michigan, Duke...

I do agree with most of what you say, but don't group penn state, ranked 37 nationally with the #1 alumni network, with stony brook (82) or albany (128). They are not in the same league!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The name of the madlax kid was released - he is not a reclass as he was on the U13 madlax team that went to [lacrosse]'s

Congrats to him and his family - JHU is a great school

Glad he is not older

Why?

so, basically you are try to say that a U13 [which by the way is 7/8 grade] got a commit from JHU. Must be one heck of a player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These early recruiting coaches will be doing a resume before the U-13 commits are shaving more than once a week. I am 45 years old, about what a college coach would be. Must be at some level humiliating for them to be doing this musical chairs for spots thing with 8th or 9th graders. Seemed like last year Dom Starsia complained about how embarrassing it is to watch 9th graders play lacrosse. No wait; that was last year. Good for kids and families to get a college opportunity. Not so good for the coaches who will be stuck with kids who may or may not develop in the next 4-5 years before they even get to college.

Recently spoke to an asst coach at a top ACC school who's program is "very concerned about their early commits". Yet it keeps on going... Absolute insane process, best of luck and congrats to the kids. They can only work within the system.

Yup- I'm sure you DID talk to asst acc coach - trying to get him to look at ur pathetic son. It's incredible the asinine things grown people say!!!!

Moron, why the personal attack??? My son is in a great spot, thanks.
Lacrosse is a small world. Think about it. I'm very sorry you have trouble with the truth. By the way, I didn't say it, THE COACH DID! Did I reveal the school? No. Did I reveal any individual recruit? NO. Did I reveal a particular grad year? NO.
It was a perfectly pertinent comment from the inside on early recruiting, something you should be thankful I shared with you.
Something you should keep in mind, when and if your son is ever lucky enough to get noticed. If he's already committed, then keep your eyes wide open.
I guess in your world it couldn't be possible that a recruit doesn't continue to develop the way a particular school would hope. Personally, I feel for the kids, way too much pressure.

FYI, as you refer to SUNY schools, my oldest graduated college 2012, of all his HS friends and they were graduates from schools all over the US, Michigan, Duke, Delaware, Penn IVY. I find it rather comical SUNYs are disregarded as lesser schools, but do hate to tell you the only ones employed before graduating (honestly for some it took a solid year to find employment) were the two who went to Binghamton and SUNY Maritime. The Maritime kid walked into a 110K a year starting job.

The DUKE grad is currently working at the Apple store after some employment as a bartender. The Michigan kid is working for his parents business.

And no my kid unfortunately was not one of the SUNY grads, but one of the other top ranked schools. You can be sure I won't over look the strength of Binghamton or Maritime with my other kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These early recruiting coaches will be doing a resume before the U-13 commits are shaving more than once a week. I am 45 years old, about what a college coach would be. Must be at some level humiliating for them to be doing this musical chairs for spots thing with 8th or 9th graders. Seemed like last year Dom Starsia complained about how embarrassing it is to watch 9th graders play lacrosse. No wait; that was last year. Good for kids and families to get a college opportunity. Not so good for the coaches who will be stuck with kids who may or may not develop in the next 4-5 years before they even get to college.

I have a kid in this age group (true 2018 b-day) and we have talked to several schools that have expressed interest. I completely agree that it is too soon, but by the same token, what are we supposed to do? Tell the coach we are not interested in your great school and want to wait two years?

These coaches are all following the early path, they started it, not us. Should we say to a great school no thanks for the offer of $ to attend your school?

UNC, JHP, Michigan, ND, UVA are all doing it. My understanding is that Ivies and Duke want a full year of HS grades first.

I know my kid is not ready to make life choices, but I am pretty sure that sending him to any of the above will not be a mistake...For all the doubters out there, half of these kids would never get into these schools without Lax. Do you know what the acceptance rates at these institutions are? How many of you knew what you wanted to do for a living in college? I sure didn't but the school I went to was the one that I could afford...today, that is more important than anything.

In our house it is grades first, everything else second, but the only way a kid from LI is getting IVY or Duke for that matter is a perfect SAT and a resume that shows that he overcame some tragedy. Or because he can play Lax...

For the UVA, Michigans and others above, they send out plenty of rejection letters to LI every year, if your kid gets into any of them, you should be proud.

Not sure this is worthy of any debate. If your kid gets recruited and you think there is too much risk with a choice to attend ND, then say no and wait and see what happens.

For my family, a kid going to any of the above would be a step above any NYS Suny school...No disrespect to Stony Brook or Albany or Penn State, I am sure they are all great schools, but they aren't UVA, Michigan, Duke...

I do agree with most of what you say, but don't group penn state, ranked 37 nationally with the #1 alumni network, with stony brook (82) or albany (128). They are not in the same league!

Duke is not equivalent to UVA or Michigan for that matter either!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These early recruiting coaches will be doing a resume before the U-13 commits are shaving more than once a week. I am 45 years old, about what a college coach would be. Must be at some level humiliating for them to be doing this musical chairs for spots thing with 8th or 9th graders. Seemed like last year Dom Starsia complained about how embarrassing it is to watch 9th graders play lacrosse. No wait; that was last year. Good for kids and families to get a college opportunity. Not so good for the coaches who will be stuck with kids who may or may not develop in the next 4-5 years before they even get to college.

Recently spoke to an asst coach at a top ACC school who's program is "very concerned about their early commits". Yet it keeps on going... Absolute insane process, best of luck and congrats to the kids. They can only work within the system.

Yup- I'm sure you DID talk to asst acc coach - trying to get him to look at ur pathetic son. It's incredible the asinine things grown people say!!!!

Moron, why the personal attack??? My son is in a great spot, thanks.
Lacrosse is a small world. Think about it. I'm very sorry you have trouble with the truth. By the way, I didn't say it, THE COACH DID! Did I reveal the school? No. Did I reveal any individual recruit? NO. Did I reveal a particular grad year? NO.
It was a perfectly pertinent comment from the inside on early recruiting, something you should be thankful I shared with you.
Something you should keep in mind, when and if your son is ever lucky enough to get noticed. If he's already committed, then keep your eyes wide open.
I guess in your world it couldn't be possible that a recruit doesn't continue to develop the way a particular school would hope. Personally, I feel for the kids, way too much pressure.

What a debbie downer!! You must be be fun to be around!!

semantics people - this conversation is about 2018 kids getting recruited and committing to colleges before their first day of high school not college rankings - there are doctors and lawyers coming out of a lot of schools and there "bartenders" coming out of ivy's.

My son played against mad lax and said kid was the best player he saw in the grade this year - I think it is even more impressive that he apparently is the same age as most rising freshman and not a "hold back"

my son will go to a few prospect days and tournaments this fall and play in the spring and when we get a full years grades we will decide his best fit academically and lacrosse wise and hope we can find a good match.....I am concerned that we night be missing out on something but this is what we are planning on doing, I am very interested in what others plan on doing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The name of the madlax kid was released - he is not a reclass as he was on the U13 madlax team that went to [lacrosse]'s

Congrats to him and his family - JHU is a great school

Glad he is not older

Why?

He's not a U13 player. But regardless, why would you care? If it works for him and his family, more power to them.

so, basically you are try to say that a U13 [which by the way is 7/8 grade] got a commit from JHU. Must be one heck of a player.

I did not mean to offend Suny schools or Penn state or Duke for that matter.

All are great, I went to Suny (not even one of the top four) yet post grad work is really what got me where I am-which is a pretty good place.

My point was simple, how can a kid go wrong committing to one of the top schools in the country that is willing to not only accept his application, but offer a 40% reduction in the cost of tuition?

If he doesn't develop they way they expect and pull the scholarship after one year--if he hates the school after one year--if he wants to study something that the school doesn't offer after one year--He or she can transfer. Lax is not a career it is a game, any kid (or parent) that thinks he will do well without post-grad degrees in today's world is sadly mistaken.

Yes, we all know someone who made it big without college, and ten years from now we will know people that made it big without post grad, but if you are playing the odds and seeing the world, more education = a better life.

If we were just talking about $, all of us would be better off sending our kids to Suffolk or Nassau for two years and then transferring...or spending all the time and money on SAT tutors rather than club dues, hotels, and food...

But my kid, wants to play lacrosse and some of the best institutions in the country are asking him to commit to their program to do just that. Where is the big risk that everyone is concerned about?

Someone please share with me the downside of this decision because I don't see it. Someone mentioned it puts too much pressure on the kid, my kid doesn't feel pressure on lax field, he feels pressure to get 100 on all his exams...

Again, my apologies if I offended anyone by incorrectly grouping schools, that was not my intention.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I did not mean to offend Suny schools or Penn state or Duke for that matter.

All are great, I went to Suny (not even one of the top four) yet post grad work is really what got me where I am-which is a pretty good place.

My point was simple, how can a kid go wrong committing to one of the top schools in the country that is willing to not only accept his application, but offer a 40% reduction in the cost of tuition?

If he doesn't develop they way they expect and pull the scholarship after one year--if he hates the school after one year--if he wants to study something that the school doesn't offer after one year--He or she can transfer. Lax is not a career it is a game, any kid (or parent) that thinks he will do well without post-grad degrees in today's world is sadly mistaken.

Yes, we all know someone who made it big without college, and ten years from now we will know people that made it big without post grad, but if you are playing the odds and seeing the world, more education = a better life.

If we were just talking about $, all of us would be better off sending our kids to Suffolk or Nassau for two years and then transferring...or spending all the time and money on SAT tutors rather than club dues, hotels, and food...

But my kid, wants to play lacrosse and some of the best institutions in the country are asking him to commit to their program to do just that. Where is the big risk that everyone is concerned about?

Someone please share with me the downside of this decision because I don't see it. Someone mentioned it puts too much pressure on the kid, my kid doesn't feel pressure on lax field, he feels pressure to get 100 on all his exams...

Again, my apologies if I offended anyone by incorrectly grouping schools, that was not my intention.

There is no downside as far as I'm concerned. I think it is about the right fit and financial situation. Most of the people on here complaining are doing so because they have not gotten any offers. My son is committed to a great school and program. He will be a Jr. this year but committed early last summer. It has actually made him more focused, and he works harder in school knowing the criteria/reputation he must meet. We did not put him into a position he couldn't handle, but where thought he would have the best experience/fit. It is a very exciting time in these boy's lives. Let them enjoy it without all the "what ifs" . There are no guarantees in life, sometimes you must seize the moment (with your eyes wide open!)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I did not mean to offend Suny schools or Penn state or Duke for that matter.

All are great, I went to Suny (not even one of the top four) yet post grad work is really what got me where I am-which is a pretty good place.

My point was simple, how can a kid go wrong committing to one of the top schools in the country that is willing to not only accept his application, but offer a 40% reduction in the cost of tuition?

If he doesn't develop they way they expect and pull the scholarship after one year--if he hates the school after one year--if he wants to study something that the school doesn't offer after one year--He or she can transfer. Lax is not a career it is a game, any kid (or parent) that thinks he will do well without post-grad degrees in today's world is sadly mistaken.

Yes, we all know someone who made it big without college, and ten years from now we will know people that made it big without post grad, but if you are playing the odds and seeing the world, more education = a better life.

If we were just talking about $, all of us would be better off sending our kids to Suffolk or Nassau for two years and then transferring...or spending all the time and money on SAT tutors rather than club dues, hotels, and food...

But my kid, wants to play lacrosse and some of the best institutions in the country are asking him to commit to their program to do just that. Where is the big risk that everyone is concerned about?

Someone please share with me the downside of this decision because I don't see it. Someone mentioned it puts too much pressure on the kid, my kid doesn't feel pressure on lax field, he feels pressure to get 100 on all his exams...

Again, my apologies if I offended anyone by incorrectly grouping schools, that was not my intention.

There is no downside as far as I'm concerned. I think it is about the right fit and financial situation. Most of the people on here complaining are doing so because they have not gotten any offers. My son is committed to a great school and program. He will be a Jr. this year but committed early last summer. It has actually made him more focused, and he works harder in school knowing the criteria/reputation he must meet. We did not put him into a position he couldn't handle, but where thought he would have the best experience/fit. It is a very exciting time in these boy's lives. Let them enjoy it without all the "what ifs" . There are no guarantees in life, sometimes you must seize the moment (with your eyes wide open!)

You guys are pretty spot on. As the dad of a true 2017 who committed to a top school (a number b/w 1 and 10; not 1'or 10 but somewhere in the middle 2/5th's for those about to attack) we've been through all of what is now going on in the 2018 thread.

I would state to all 2018 parents.....relax....if the kid is good enough he will be noticed with in the next 2-3 years. We took the early commit as many offers came and the kid has a good head on his shoulders and was able to articulate why it was ok to commit now instead of in 2-3 years. It certainly takes some pressure off, but his goals are purely academically inclined and chose the school that offers him the disciplines he was interested in. We know his interests will prob change and that is why a broad spectrum university was chosen such that he could take different paths as his future unfolds.

Enjoy the lacrosse. Don't put any pressure on the kids. Let it unfold. There will be back biters along the way. That is life. Make sure the kid is having fun. If he is talented; he doors will be open. In any case; just be there for him or her and enjoy the ride. It's really short.

I agree, hard to make a mistake with that list of schools but if it turns out bad, transfer is the next step. no harm in that, happens every day.

Just received notice that my son will not have to apply for the 3d Blue Chip 2015, first round automatic invites going out soon.

me too, but this is only for the florida portion. so, you do not need to apply to go to 3d blue chip florida.

these are not invites to jake reed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just received notice that my son will not have to apply for the 3d Blue Chip 2015, first round automatic invites going out soon.

Just received notice that you are a total egomaniac.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just received notice that my son will not have to apply for the 3d Blue Chip 2015, first round automatic invites going out soon.

Just received notice that you are a total egomaniac.

Ha ha...so true! Nevertheless, how soon before someone chimes in with the usual reflexive refrain of "so says the Dad whose kid didn't get an invite."?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just received notice that my son will not have to apply for the 3d Blue Chip 2015, first round automatic invites going out soon.

Just received notice that you are a total egomaniac.

Congrats toolbag

Why do you people come to the site? Makes you happy to post nasty thing anonymously?

I stop by to see what's going on and there are some well articulated positions on various topics, updates on how some other teams performed, and then you sad people with the nasty comments.

Don't you have a dog you can kick? Did the boss yell at you today?

Did you forget that you are supposed to treat people the way you want to be treated?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you people come to the site? Makes you happy to post nasty thing anonymously?

I stop by to see what's going on and there are some well articulated positions on various topics, updates on how some other teams performed, and then you sad people with the nasty comments.

Don't you have a dog you can kick? Did the boss yell at you today?

Did you forget that you are supposed to treat people the way you want to be treated?

this thread has degenerated into the 2017 thread, I fear it will only get worse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just received notice that my son will not have to apply for the 3d Blue Chip 2015, first round automatic invites going out soon.

We recieved the same. We will decline this event for several reasons.

First we went last year. This event is an evaluation/instructional event only. No stand alone recruiting value.

The instruction last year was consistent across all grades. Don't expect to take away much educationally the second time around unless your kid is a slow learner. It is a great opportunity to get reps but there are plenty of cheaper options.

During the event we were given the impression by several players that they were pre-ordained selections to JR. Those boys all received JR invites regardless of how they played. Connections count very much, don't be fooled by what you read on a website. Afterall, this is 3d we are talking about, read the posts on their other evetns such as fl$ 3d

We are waiting for the direct JR invite and are looking at other options in case it doesn't come.

My advice is that if you want to go to Florida in January go to Disney the lines are short in the off season and you will spend less money

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just received notice that my son will not have to apply for the 3d Blue Chip 2015, first round automatic invites going out soon.

We recieved the same. We will decline this event for several reasons.

First we went last year. This event is an evaluation/instructional event only. No stand alone recruiting value.

The instruction last year was consistent across all grades. Don't expect to take away much educationally the second time around unless your kid is a slow learner. It is a great opportunity to get reps but there are plenty of cheaper options.

During the event we were given the impression by several players that they were pre-ordained selections to JR. Those boys all received JR invites regardless of how they played. Connections count very much, don't be fooled by what you read on a website. Afterall, this is 3d we are talking about, read the posts on their other evetns such as fl$ 3d

We are waiting for the direct JR invite and are looking at other options in case it doesn't come.

My advice is that if you want to go to Florida in January go to Disney the lines are short in the off season and you will spend less money

That is good advice, and this is coming from a 2017 parent. If your son plays on a strong club team at good tournaments against other good teams, that is the best forum to get evaluated. And I'd go for 3-4 Fall / Winter prospect days at schools of highest interest over showcases for money best spent. Lacrosse has gotten so silly with showcases everywhere, and it is not like JR is the only game in town for that like it was only 3-4 years ago. It is also fair to criticize it as a captive 3d event that fills in first with 3d kids. Have to take care of the lacrosse family first I suppose. I would highly recommend to the 2018 parents to get your sons nominated by HS or club coaches for the Adrenaline Black Card. One day, no b.s., cheap and tons of free gear. Oh, and the dozens of top coaches is another plus. Good luck to all the 2018s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just received notice that my son will not have to apply for the 3d Blue Chip 2015, first round automatic invites going out soon.

We recieved the same. We will decline this event for several reasons.

First we went last year. This event is an evaluation/instructional event only. No stand alone recruiting value.

The instruction last year was consistent across all grades. Don't expect to take away much educationally the second time around unless your kid is a slow learner. It is a great opportunity to get reps but there are plenty of cheaper options.

During the event we were given the impression by several players that they were pre-ordained selections to JR. Those boys all received JR invites regardless of how they played. Connections count very much, don't be fooled by what you read on a website. Afterall, this is 3d we are talking about, read the posts on their other evetns such as fl$ 3d

We are waiting for the direct JR invite and are looking at other options in case it doesn't come.

My advice is that if you want to go to Florida in January go to Disney the lines are short in the off season and you will spend less money

I believe you are reading this wrong, they sent out notices to some stating that they will get the direct invites in September, today, they sent out a letter for those who do not get the direct invite to Jake Reed to sign up for the 3d Blue Chip tryouts.

We received an invite to 3d bluechip stating that we did not need to apply to 3d bluechip. Just register and attend in January. We also recieved a follow up clarifying exactly what this was. Apparently there was confusion around these mails.

We did not receive a direct invite to JR. If anyone received something from JR can you confirm what you received. Thanks.

Nice turn out for the free tune up session put on by Igloo, could be a top contender for the older grade teams. A job well done to TA and crew.

Any Terps or 91 extreme helmets?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice turn out for the free tune up session put on by Igloo, could be a top contender for the older grade teams. A job well done to TA and crew.

Before you hurt yourself patting yourself on the back , understand big difference between kids showing up for free clinic and top A players leaving their team as they get ready for recruiting with an unknown in the showcase world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any Terps or 91 extreme helmets?

Bunch of 91 and express, and therashers helmets!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any Terps or 91 extreme helmets?

Bunch of 91 and express, and therashers helmets!!

Igloo + Therahers = Lagacy + Riptide = Run Away!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any Terps or 91 extreme helmets?

Bunch of 91 and express, and therashers helmets!!

All preparing for their tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any Terps or 91 extreme helmets?

Bunch of 91 and express, and therashers helmets!!

All preparing for their tryouts.

Big money for a new team!!!!! Big risk for the 2018 to switch to a new team!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any Terps or 91 extreme helmets?

Bunch of 91 and express, and therashers helmets!!

Igloo + Therahers = Lagacy + Riptide = Run Away!!

yeah I cryptically posted this would be a Threshers team a while back, guess I was right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice turn out for the free tune up session put on by Igloo, could be a top contender for the older grade teams. A job well done to TA and crew.

Before you hurt yourself patting yourself on the back , understand big difference between kids showing up for free clinic and top A players leaving their team as they get ready for recruiting with an unknown in the showcase world.

you are reading too much into the original comment. everyone knows that igloo has always had a great program for the younger kids, it is only stating that they are now expanding out to the older groups. nothing about top kids leaving their programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any Terps or 91 extreme helmets?

Bunch of 91 and express, and therashers helmets!!

All preparing for their tryouts.

Big money for a new team!!!!! Big risk for the 2018 to switch to a new team!!!

Big risk switching to any team but you know that some will be forced to find new homes, have to look at options. what is different from this new to an existing organization, they all are money grabbing and most of them are not well run.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any Terps or 91 extreme helmets?

Bunch of 91 and express, and therashers helmets!!

All preparing for their tryouts.

Big money for a new team!!!!! Big risk for the 2018 to switch to a new team!!!

Never a risk to change from one competitive club to another if a good fit for your family. A bigger risk to remain where your family is less happy.

Big risk switching to any team but you know that some will be forced to find new homes, have to look at options. what is different from this new to an existing organization, they all are money grabbing and most of them are not well run.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice turn out for the free tune up session put on by Igloo, could be a top contender for the older grade teams. A job well done to TA and crew.

Before you hurt yourself patting yourself on the back , understand big difference between kids showing up for free clinic and top A players leaving their team as they get ready for recruiting with an unknown in the showcase world.

you are reading too much into the original comment. everyone knows that igloo has always had a great program for the younger kids, it is only stating that they are now expanding out to the older groups. nothing about top kids leaving their programs.

Not reading too much in to it. Just reading it!

"Could be top contender for the older grades"
"Job well done"

Anyone who can make the first two teams of express or 91 , or the top teams of fl$, Jesters or outlaws will not be playing igloo.

Maybe you put together a decent B team at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice turn out for the free tune up session put on by Igloo, could be a top contender for the older grade teams. A job well done to TA and crew.

Before you hurt yourself patting yourself on the back , understand big difference between kids showing up for free clinic and top A players leaving their team as they get ready for recruiting with an unknown in the showcase world.

you are reading too much into the original comment. everyone knows that igloo has always had a great program for the younger kids, it is only stating that they are now expanding out to the older groups. nothing about top kids leaving their programs.

Not reading too much in to it. Just reading it!

"Could be top contender for the older grades"
"Job well done"

Anyone who can make the first two teams of express or 91 , or the top teams of fl$, Jesters or outlaws will not be playing igloo.

Maybe you put together a decent B team at best.

Don't care about a vs b. This is a recruiting year. I want my son on a team that is going to the Fall Philly, preparing kids for Jake Reed, Maverick and Brine. And planning on doing Adrenaline and NXT next summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice turn out for the free tune up session put on by Igloo, could be a top contender for the older grade teams. A job well done to TA and crew.

Before you hurt yourself patting yourself on the back , understand big difference between kids showing up for free clinic and top A players leaving their team as they get ready for recruiting with an unknown in the showcase world.

you are reading too much into the original comment. everyone knows that igloo has always had a great program for the younger kids, it is only stating that they are now expanding out to the older groups. nothing about top kids leaving their programs.

Not reading too much in to it. Just reading it!

"Could be top contender for the older grades"
"Job well done"

Anyone who can make the first two teams of express or 91 , or the top teams of fl$, Jesters or outlaws will not be playing igloo.

Maybe you put together a decent B team at best.

Don't care about a vs b. This is a recruiting year. I want my son on a team that is going to the Fall Philly, preparing kids for Jake Reed, Maverick and Brine. And planning on doing Adrenaline and NXT next summer.

The showcases are upon us. Philly individual invites are out. Jake reed invites, and I'm not talking about the watered down 3d tryouts, will go out soon. Same with maverick. Changing teams at this point is risky.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice turn out for the free tune up session put on by Igloo, could be a top contender for the older grade teams. A job well done to TA and crew.

Before you hurt yourself patting yourself on the back , understand big difference between kids showing up for free clinic and top A players leaving their team as they get ready for recruiting with an unknown in the showcase world.

you are reading too much into the original comment. everyone knows that igloo has always had a great program for the younger kids, it is only stating that they are now expanding out to the older groups. nothing about top kids leaving their programs.

Not reading too much in to it. Just reading it!

"Could be top contender for the older grades"
"Job well done"

Anyone who can make the first two teams of express or 91 , or the top teams of fl$, Jesters or outlaws will not be playing igloo.

Maybe you put together a decent B team at best.

Don't care about a vs b. This is a recruiting year. I want my son on a team that is going to the Fall Philly, preparing kids for Jake Reed, Maverick and Brine. And planning on doing Adrenaline and NXT next summer.

You should care a or b. Worse than not going to showcase is going with average team and getting beat up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice turn out for the free tune up session put on by Igloo, could be a top contender for the older grade teams. A job well done to TA and crew.

Before you hurt yourself patting yourself on the back , understand big difference between kids showing up for free clinic and top A players leaving their team as they get ready for recruiting with an unknown in the showcase world.

you are reading too much into the original comment. everyone knows that igloo has always had a great program for the younger kids, it is only stating that they are now expanding out to the older groups. nothing about top kids leaving their programs.

Not reading too much in to it. Just reading it!

"Could be top contender for the older grades"
"Job well done"

Anyone who can make the first two teams of express or 91 , or the top teams of fl$, Jesters or outlaws will not be playing igloo.

Maybe you put together a decent B team at best.

Don't care about a vs b. This is a recruiting year. I want my son on a team that is going to the Fall Philly, preparing kids for Jake Reed, Maverick and Brine. And planning on doing Adrenaline and NXT next summer.

The showcases are upon us. Philly individual invites are out. Jake reed invites, and I'm not talking about the watered down 3d tryouts, will go out soon. Same with maverick. Changing teams at this point is risky.

WHen do the Jake reed full invites go out? WHen do you need to sign up for maverick?

2018 'A' teams...anyone know which teams will have openings?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 'A' teams...anyone know which teams will have openings?

They all have openings, the kid just has to be better than everyone else.

I'd like to hear opinions on the top events of the Fall 2014 season for 2018 teams

Also, is there value for players attending the team portion only of the Philly Freshmen event?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'd like to hear opinions on the top events of the Fall 2014 season for 2018 teams

Also, is there value for players attending the team portion only of the Philly Freshmen event?

Coaches were at both days in extreme cold for the 2017's at the Philly SC. Had to be 9 degrees on team day. But here they were with their folding chairs and clip boards!!

AND....your son wants to be there for his TEAM!

Def do philly, maverick , JR ....?brine?....seems there were more this year than last as far as coaches go.

Philly Freshman Showcase, Jake Reed and Rotanz Fall Classic are all the same weekend. Curious as to how others here would rank them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Philly Freshman Showcase, Jake Reed and Rotanz Fall Classic are all the same weekend. Curious as to how others here would rank them?

Jake Reed fall is a 2nd tier event from what I have heard - Philly is better attended and had better talent based on commits to date

Anyone check out "@Angrylaxmom" on twitter? Seems pretty funny... lighthearted parody account, something we can all relate to tho!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone check out "@Angrylaxmom" on twitter? Seems pretty funny... lighthearted parody account, something we can all relate to tho!

Ok I just went on that twitter i'm still lmao, funny stuff! I gotta ask my son how to follow it. I know im old! Lol.

Blue Chip Freshman Camp fall invites are out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blue Chip Freshman Camp fall invites are out.

Is this the event that you have to fly to Charlotte NC for? It is the same weekend as the Philly Freshman event

Anyone who got an invite do you know if they are calling the class of 2018 on the invites sophomores. I guess already referring to the class as rising sophomores for the upcoming summer?

thx

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blue Chip Freshman Camp fall invites are out.

Is this the event that you have to fly to Charlotte NC for? It is the same weekend as the Philly Freshman event

Also the same weekend as the "Battle of States Lacrosse Showcase."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blue Chip Freshman Camp fall invites are out.

Is this the event that you have to fly to Charlotte NC for? It is the same weekend as the Philly Freshman event

Does anyone know if the Philly Freshman invites gone out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone who got an invite do you know if they are calling the class of 2018 on the invites sophomores. I guess already referring to the class as rising sophomores for the upcoming summer?

thx

No, they are calling it the "2014 fall Nike Blue Chip freshman Lacrosse Camp."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone who got an invite do you know if they are calling the class of 2018 on the invites sophomores. I guess already referring to the class as rising sophomores for the upcoming summer?

thx

No, they are calling it the "2014 fall Nike Blue Chip freshman Lacrosse Camp."

Thx, ours says sophomore so will send an email to clarify, and to the question about Philly Freshmen those invites have been going out, but have no way of knowing where they are in their invite process.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone who got an invite do you know if they are calling the class of 2018 on the invites sophomores. I guess already referring to the class as rising sophomores for the upcoming summer?

thx

No, they are calling it the "2014 fall Nike Blue Chip freshman Lacrosse Camp."

Thx, ours says sophomore so will send an email to clarify, and to the question about Philly Freshmen those invites have been going out, but have no way of knowing where they are in their invite process.

These came by 'snailmail.'

They did come the old fashioned way.

My kid just showed me @angrylaxmom on twitter. Ha! That's funny. I know that mom & dad combo, but I'm sure we all do!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid just showed me @angrylaxmom on twitter. Ha! That's funny. I know that mom & dad combo, but I'm sure we all do!

Looks like the crazy mama on twitter @Angrylaxmom is at it again! LOL!

Shanes secret to 2018 stardom:
1 Be older than all
2 Complain
3 Party like @Ty
4 Eat Kale
5 Hydrate
6 Spend LOADS of $$
7 Be HUMBLE

You have to read these tweets, great!!

Any word on the Express B team in comparison to their own A team vs other clubs 91 ,outlaws Jesters ect

The Express B team listed that the coach will be Mike Demeo however he not even listed as a coach on their own web page what's up.with that sounds like they aren't going to pay much attention to that team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any word on the Express B team in comparison to their own A team vs other clubs 91 ,outlaws Jesters ect

If your son can make another teams A team, like OL, fl$ or Jesters, you'd be crazy to keep your kid on a B team. Will not get exposure or support on that team. Outlaws Black should be a very competitive team, going to top recruiting venues.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any word on the Express B team in comparison to their own A team vs other clubs 91 ,outlaws Jesters ect

If your son can make another teams A team, like OL, fl$ or Jesters, you'd be crazy to keep your kid on a B team. Will not get exposure or support on that team. Outlaws Black should be a very competitive team, going to top recruiting venues.

Jesters, Outlaws, and the Tribe beat team 2. They didn't start practice until May.

What's the word out there on the jesters are they restructuring by bringing in MLL players on the board or is this just a ploy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the word out there on the jesters are they restructuring by bringing in MLL players on the board or is this just a ploy

Just a draw to get more kids to their tryouts. They will have nothing to do with the teams after the tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the word out there on the jesters are they restructuring by bringing in MLL players on the board or is this just a ploy

Time will tell....

It is my understanding that RP & MS are now invested owners that have an interest in their success

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the word out there on the jesters are they restructuring by bringing in MLL players on the board or is this just a ploy

Just a draw to get more kids to their tryouts. They will have nothing to do with the teams after the tryouts.

Not according to website. They will be doing clinics all year.

Has anyone heard of the new Inside Lacrosse Fall Individual Invitational series?

The events are throughout October - not sure how this could be a recruiting event since the colleges are in the middle of their own fall ball. I thought HS events were supposed to be November

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone heard of the new Inside Lacrosse Fall Individual Invitational series?

The events are throughout October - not sure how this could be a recruiting event since the colleges are in the middle of their own fall ball. I thought HS events were supposed to be November

Not sure what the value would be for 2018. D1 coaches can only actively recruit during the Nov period. For older grades it could be valuable for D3 and D2 opportunities. I highly doubt any D2 or D3 schools would be actively recruiting 2018's at this stage of the process.

Nessum would never give up ownership. The pro players agreed to run clinics and give back a piece. NO PRO PLAYER IS AROUND TO ATTEND TOURNIES IN SUMMER DUE TO THEIR OWN GAME SCHEDULE ESPECIALLY WITH ADDITIONAL TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE. They show up here and there and to local tournies if they have a home game. RP is busy and makes more attending clinics all over not just here on the Island. They like coaching the younger teams because they don't travel as much or the Varsity teams because they dont practice as much or need much. The mid age kids are better off with a good coach that is there day in and day out.

My son got invite this weekend by email.
Do not know what everyone is taking about snail mail?

Mine got a hard copy letter in the mail from Jake reed to go to the fall event in charlotte, i think that is what everyone is talking about re-snail mail...

We are not attending as that is the same weekend as philly freshman showcase.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nessum would never give up ownership. The pro players agreed to run clinics and give back a piece. NO PRO PLAYER IS AROUND TO ATTEND TOURNIES IN SUMMER DUE TO THEIR OWN GAME SCHEDULE ESPECIALLY WITH ADDITIONAL TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE. They show up here and there and to local tournies if they have a home game. RP is busy and makes more attending clinics all over not just here on the Island. They like coaching the younger teams because they don't travel as much or the Varsity teams because they dont practice as much or need much. The mid age kids are better off with a good coach that is there day in and day out.

That was a lot of capitalization and unfounded conjecture.
You and NESSUM must be close that you can speak for him. (It's actually Nessim)

For better or for worse, travel teams are a business and directors appear to make rational decisions based on the best interests of their bottom line. The good news is that these decisions are fairly predictable and often aligned with the desires of players and parents. The bad news is that some tactics that are good for directors are very bad for players and parents.

Travel Team directors, players and parents are aligned around the creation of winning teams and good recruiting results. For example, top teams need to succeed in a couple of dimensions
� Win enough games and tournaments to be invited to top showcases
� Generate enough recruiting commitments to �sell the dream�
� Provide enough practice time that players feel like they are being developed (especially in younger age groups)
� Create a brand that customers want to be affiliated with

There are some areas where directors and players are in conflict
� Teams are incented to recruit as many players as will pay
- This means B, C, D and some E teams exist.
- It also means that some A teams will carry too many players.
� Directors and coaches are incented to keep players who contribute most to ancillary revenue streams. For example, if two players are equal in talent (help team achieve aligned goals above), but one parent is happy to spend up on clinics, 1:1 coaching sessions, shooting sessions, etc. � the parent who pays is more valuable to the director / coach
� Teams want to encourage player loyalty (repeat business), but should not be loyal in return (maximize wins, showcase appearances and commitments)

A purely rational director would have both a best player list as well as a biggest spender list. Team selection would consider both factors and would be constantly testing the bounds of how many parents are willing to pay within an age group.

While this is a purely cynical view, it is important to remember that directors and coaches are people. People do things that are not always rational and can be very, very altruistic, charitable and good. There are definitely directors and coaches putting in time and helping players and parents in ways that will never contribute to the bottom line. The point is that since those behaviors are not aligned with the incentive system, we should not count on it and we should be very grateful when it happens.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For better or for worse, travel teams are a business and directors appear to make rational decisions based on the best interests of their bottom line. The good news is that these decisions are fairly predictable and often aligned with the desires of players and parents. The bad news is that some tactics that are good for directors are very bad for players and parents.

Travel Team directors, players and parents are aligned around the creation of winning teams and good recruiting results. For example, top teams need to succeed in a couple of dimensions
� Win enough games and tournaments to be invited to top showcases
� Generate enough recruiting commitments to �sell the dream�
� Provide enough practice time that players feel like they are being developed (especially in younger age groups)
� Create a brand that customers want to be affiliated with

There are some areas where directors and players are in conflict
� Teams are incented to recruit as many players as will pay
- This means B, C, D and some E teams exist.
- It also means that some A teams will carry too many players.
� Directors and coaches are incented to keep players who contribute most to ancillary revenue streams. For example, if two players are equal in talent (help team achieve aligned goals above), but one parent is happy to spend up on clinics, 1:1 coaching sessions, shooting sessions, etc. � the parent who pays is more valuable to the director / coach
� Teams want to encourage player loyalty (repeat business), but should not be loyal in return (maximize wins, showcase appearances and commitments)

A purely rational director would have both a best player list as well as a biggest spender list. Team selection would consider both factors and would be constantly testing the bounds of how many parents are willing to pay within an age group.

While this is a purely cynical view, it is important to remember that directors and coaches are people. People do things that are not always rational and can be very, very altruistic, charitable and good. There are definitely directors and coaches putting in time and helping players and parents in ways that will never contribute to the bottom line. The point is that since those behaviors are not aligned with the incentive system, we should not count on it and we should be very grateful when it happens.

Ok Doc, whatever you say. Is this analysis covered under Obamacare ?

Can we move the club specific conversation ot the club pages. Fall Freshman year is a no joke season for recruiting. My son and I are completely lost.

Our Club is going to what I think are good events. Can somebody please list/rank the Fall 2014 events for 2018 CLub teams and your view on priority ranking. I think Philly Freshman (team event on Sunday) is tops but not sure. Is the fl$ 3d fall event a good event?

For individuals:
Philly Freshman (Saturday individual) - is thie number one as well?
Jake Reed Fall - in Charlotte and same weekend as Philly
Inside Lacrosse Regional - This is only one month away and is also in North Carolina. Is anyone going?

I don't know what else is out there. Please share opinions.

With a limited budget we wnat to make sure we go to the right events.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we move the club specific conversation ot the club pages. Fall Freshman year is a no joke season for recruiting. My son and I are completely lost.

Our Club is going to what I think are good events. Can somebody please list/rank the Fall 2014 events for 2018 CLub teams and your view on priority ranking. I think Philly Freshman (team event on Sunday) is tops but not sure. Is the fl$ 3d fall event a good event?

For individuals:
Philly Freshman (Saturday individual) - is thie number one as well?
Jake Reed Fall - in Charlotte and same weekend as Philly
Inside Lacrosse Regional - This is only one month away and is also in North Carolina. Is anyone going?

I don't know what else is out there. Please share opinions.

With a limited budget we wnat to make sure we go to the right events.

Philly Freshman is top choice individual and/or team, I would also suggest making sure that your club coaches are getting you invited to individual showcases that are being done by the colleges, they are having them but are limiting it by invitation only.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we move the club specific conversation ot the club pages. Fall Freshman year is a no joke season for recruiting. My son and I are completely lost.

Our Club is going to what I think are good events. Can somebody please list/rank the Fall 2014 events for 2018 CLub teams and your view on priority ranking. I think Philly Freshman (team event on Sunday) is tops but not sure. Is the fl$ 3d fall event a good event?

For individuals:
Philly Freshman (Saturday individual) - is thie number one as well?
Jake Reed Fall - in Charlotte and same weekend as Philly
Inside Lacrosse Regional - This is only one month away and is also in North Carolina. Is anyone going?

I don't know what else is out there. Please share opinions.

With a limited budget we wnat to make sure we go to the right events.

Before anyone goes nuts, below is just one man's opinion...
Fall Individual:
1. Freshman Philly
2. Jake Reed, but same weekend as Philly. If invited to both, must go to Philly. If not go to JR
3. Legacy, NE Fall 120 Showcase, Loaded with D1 coaches.
4. Nat 175
5. K&J, Island Uprising, others
Also, cannot underestimate the value of individual College Prospect days for schools your son has interest in, or for those who have shown interest in your son.
Personally, my son is doing 2or3 showcases 2or3 tourns and a couple of school prospect days. Which by the way is way too much. However, with college prospect days, tourns and showcases your son could be playing every weekend from mid Sept to December. Crazy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we move the club specific conversation ot the club pages. Fall Freshman year is a no joke season for recruiting. My son and I are completely lost.

Our Club is going to what I think are good events. Can somebody please list/rank the Fall 2014 events for 2018 CLub teams and your view on priority ranking. I think Philly Freshman (team event on Sunday) is tops but not sure. Is the fl$ 3d fall event a good event?

For individuals:
Philly Freshman (Saturday individual) - is thie number one as well?
Jake Reed Fall - in Charlotte and same weekend as Philly
Inside Lacrosse Regional - This is only one month away and is also in North Carolina. Is anyone going?

I don't know what else is out there. Please share opinions.

With a limited budget we wnat to make sure we go to the right events.

Before anyone goes nuts, below is just one man's opinion...
Fall Individual:
1. Freshman Philly
2. Jake Reed, but same weekend as Philly. If invited to both, must go to Philly. If not go to JR
3. Legacy, NE Fall 120 Showcase, Loaded with D1 coaches.
4. Nat 175
5. K&J, Island Uprising, others
Also, cannot underestimate the value of individual College Prospect days for schools your son has interest in, or for those who have shown interest in your son.
Personally, my son is doing 2or3 showcases 2or3 tourns and a couple of school prospect days. Which by the way is way too much. However, with college prospect days, tourns and showcases your son could be playing every weekend from mid Sept to December. Crazy.

Where can one find the info on prospect days.

I am concerned about college prospect days since we don't even have 1st quarter grades. Not sure we would be at the right schools.

Based on middle school grades and standardized test scores I think he can be Ivy but am just not sure. We take the PSAT as freshmen this fall - I think this wil be a major indicator for us.

Do you treat recruiting like regular application process with "safety" school

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we move the club specific conversation ot the club pages. Fall Freshman year is a no joke season for recruiting. My son and I are completely lost.

Our Club is going to what I think are good events. Can somebody please list/rank the Fall 2014 events for 2018 CLub teams and your view on priority ranking. I think Philly Freshman (team event on Sunday) is tops but not sure. Is the fl$ 3d fall event a good event?

For individuals:
Philly Freshman (Saturday individual) - is thie number one as well?
Jake Reed Fall - in Charlotte and same weekend as Philly
Inside Lacrosse Regional - This is only one month away and is also in North Carolina. Is anyone going?

I don't know what else is out there. Please share opinions.

With a limited budget we wnat to make sure we go to the right events.

Before anyone goes nuts, below is just one man's opinion...
Fall Individual:
1. Freshman Philly
2. Jake Reed, but same weekend as Philly. If invited to both, must go to Philly. If not go to JR
3. Legacy, NE Fall 120 Showcase, Loaded with D1 coaches.
4. Nat 175
5. K&J, Island Uprising, others
Also, cannot underestimate the value of individual College Prospect days for schools your son has interest in, or for those who have shown interest in your son.
Personally, my son is doing 2or3 showcases 2or3 tourns and a couple of school prospect days. Which by the way is way too much. However, with college prospect days, tourns and showcases your son could be playing every weekend from mid Sept to December. Crazy.

Where can one find the info on prospect days.

If your son did any recruiting level events this past summer, he must have received emails. Check his email box. They have been coming for a while. Not bragging, just whats happening.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am concerned about college prospect days since we don't even have 1st quarter grades. Not sure we would be at the right schools.

Based on middle school grades and standardized test scores I think he can be Ivy but am just not sure. We take the PSAT as freshmen this fall - I think this wil be a major indicator for us.

Do you treat recruiting like regular application process with "safety" school

Ask yourself these questions? Is he all honors with 98 average and no studying? Has he hit puberty yet? When they do, they become less interested in school.... More interested in girls. Does he love school work and have a passion for it? Would he rather read a book than shoot a bucket of balls? The answers to these questions may help you figure out if he's a potential Ivy kid.
As far as safety schools are concerned, unless you have the next Rabil with a 99 average, you might want to think more along the lines of: Let's see what kind of interest he generates... Point is, you may have a great student that some coaches may not be interested in. Or a great player who doesn't quite continue with the middle school grades in HS. It is a moving target at best, with all kinds of ups and downs.
Again, for the Rabil with a 99 average, very easy, take your pick.

Question for the group, last couple of days received a few invites to some of the prospect days at Duke, Michigan and a couple others. Does everyone get all of these? Is there any value to going or is it a money grab by the schools?

Going to Philly individual and team in Nov, do we really need also to travel to NC or MI?

Thanks in advance to those that may have experience.

Confirmed verbal commit for 2018, Brian Cameron, NH Tomahawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Confirmed verbal commit for 2018, Brian Cameron, NH Tomahawks.

Committed to UNC. He attends Brewster Academy - is he a reclass/pg kid?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Confirmed verbal commit for 2018, Brian Cameron, NH Tomahawks.

Committed to UNC. He attends Brewster Academy - is he a reclass/pg kid?

He is 23...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Confirmed verbal commit for 2018, Brian Cameron, NH Tomahawks.

Committed to UNC. He attends Brewster Academy - is he a reclass/pg kid?

you really can't just say "nice job?"

pathetic ingrate!

2018 black Outlaws
Nov 2nd legacy
Nov 16th philly Showcase
Nov 22nd Something on LI

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Confirmed verbal commit for 2018, Brian Cameron, NH Tomahawks.

Committed to UNC. He attends Brewster Academy - is he a reclass/pg kid?

you really can't just say "nice job?"

pathetic ingrate!

Wish we could just say "nice job" unfortunately he may be a holdback cheater. Just want the facts before I say congrats. More and more cheaters out there taking spots from grade appropriate. SAD AND DISGUSTING! So is he legit or not??

Good job young man well deserved.

Do you have to be on a top team to get invited to these invitation only showcases? If not can someone please tell me what tournaments or camps my son or his club team should be doing. Thank you.

Hey, serious question on the recruiting front from a non-hotbed region.

Is there any point of having 2019's play up to a 2018 team if neither starters nor early maturers (not big).

The 2018 team appears much more talented and better coached than the 2019 team (who has new coach), but I would think the kids would get no recruiting attention at all and then, if they ever rejoin the 2019's, it wouldn't be much of a team with their best players playing up previously - which in a non-hotbed region like ours, means the kids don't have a great experience and perhaps switch to other sports. The 2018 team is no powerhouse, but good enough to enter mid-level hotbed tournaments. Conversely, the 2019's may never be good enough to go to hotbed tournaments - though hard to tell if they never have the best kids in the region - so maybe they wouldn't be missing out on anything.

These aren't my kids I'm talking about it - but some of the parents of these are friends and former DI scholarship athletes in other sports and I know they care about recruiting (and their alma mater early recruits).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 black Outlaws
Nov 2nd legacy
Nov 16th philly Showcase
Nov 22nd Something on LI

You sure about 11/16 Philly Showcase? Website has Philly Freshman Showcase Team Invitational on 11/23. Are there 2 Philly Showcases?

Philly Freshman Showcase - 11/23

Upperclass showcase 11/16

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 black Outlaws
Nov 2nd legacy
Nov 16th philly Showcase
Nov 22nd Something on LI

You sure about 11/16 Philly Showcase? Website has Philly Freshman Showcase Team Invitational on 11/23. Are there 2 Philly Showcases?

Yes your Right They are Playing 23rd. thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Confirmed verbal commit for 2018, Brian Cameron, NH Tomahawks.

Committed to UNC. He attends Brewster Academy - is he a reclass/pg kid?

you really can't just say "nice job?"

pathetic ingrate!

Wish we could just say "nice job" unfortunately he may be a holdback cheater. Just want the facts before I say congrats. More and more cheaters out there taking spots from grade appropriate. SAD AND DISGUSTING! So is he legit or not??

Reclassed loser, figures!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Confirmed verbal commit for 2018, Brian Cameron, NH Tomahawks.

Committed to UNC. He attends Brewster Academy - is he a reclass/pg kid?

you really can't just say "nice job?"

pathetic ingrate!

Wish we could just say "nice job" unfortunately he may be a holdback cheater. Just want the facts before I say congrats. More and more cheaters out there taking spots from grade appropriate. SAD AND DISGUSTING! So is he legit or not??

Reclassed loser, figures!

Here we go again. It's not illegal and colleges are more than fine with it. The kid is now at a top tier school. You would do the same for your kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 black Outlaws
Nov 2nd legacy
Nov 16th philly Showcase
Nov 22nd Something on LI

You sure about 11/16 Philly Showcase? Website has Philly Freshman Showcase Team Invitational on 11/23. Are there 2 Philly Showcases?

Yes your Right They are Playing 23rd. thanks

Are there 2018 teams playing on the 16th?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Confirmed verbal commit for 2018, Brian Cameron, NH Tomahawks.

Committed to UNC. He attends Brewster Academy - is he a reclass/pg kid?

you really can't just say "nice job?"

pathetic ingrate!

Wish we could just say "nice job" unfortunately he may be a holdback cheater. Just want the facts before I say congrats. More and more cheaters out there taking spots from grade appropriate. SAD AND DISGUSTING! So is he legit or not??

Reclassed loser, figures!

Here we go again. It's not illegal and colleges are more than fine with it. The kid is now at a top tier school. You would do the same for your kid.

Maybe not illegal, but not ethical, but what the hek, do it because you can! Problem with USA kids/parents in general! Sad to see the direction of our country mirrored all around us!

Really proud of UNC for this. The kid has been in HS for 1-2 weeks at most (or maybe starts this coming Monday) I guess they don't care about their academic reputation - no surprise the athletic department is constantly being investigated.

Admissions departments should be real proud for allowing Breschi to do this - I will no longer recruit/hire UNC grads - this is disgusting

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really proud of UNC for this. The kid has been in HS for 1-2 weeks at most (or maybe starts this coming Monday) I guess they don't care about their academic reputation - no surprise the athletic department is constantly being investigated.

Admissions departments should be real proud for allowing Breschi to do this - I will no longer recruit/hire UNC grads - this is disgusting

Idiot...this does not mean he is admitted to UNC. It is now time for him to prove himself, both in the classroom and on the field. Obviously UNC saw something in this boy that they are willing to take a chance on. It's amazing all the loser LI fathers that whine about reclass, unfair, blah blah blah...it is reclass in other regions and noclass on Long Island..bunch of loud mouthed parents ruining the game of lacrosse

When watching highlight videos I see a few things which I dont understand how a D1 recruiter misses.

Size mismatches. For large attackmen I don't see a lot of video against trained and developed D1 caliber Defensemen. A 6-12 inch height advantage will disappear. When evaluating a reclassified player I would look for highlights against mature/skiled defenders. Our team had an early to mature Attackman on our team who has regressed as the world caught up to him.

2-Extensive use of free had to push off and get loose. Do they call wards nowadays? I see a lot of highlights that start with a push off of a defender with a free hand. Why are people publishing these non goals as highlights?

Show me a highlight video of an attackman who consistently and cleanly beats top d-poles from a grade older than his (without cheating) and I will understand the drive to early commit the player

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When watching highlight videos I see a few things which I dont understand how a D1 recruiter misses.

Size mismatches. For large attackmen I don't see a lot of video against trained and developed D1 caliber Defensemen. A 6-12 inch height advantage will disappear. When evaluating a reclassified player I would look for highlights against mature/skiled defenders. Our team had an early to mature Attackman on our team who has regressed as the world caught up to him.

your post is spot on except that a kid is not getting recruited only on his highlight films, they might help get him on the radar but for a scholarship player, they will watch the kid in person many many times and that will far outweigh the highlight films. when my older son started sending out his film it led to many calls or e-mails inviting him to visit or to go to the prospect camp and asking for upcoming schedule.
2-Extensive use of free had to push off and get loose. Do they call wards nowadays? I see a lot of highlights that start with a push off of a defender with a free hand. Why are people publishing these non goals as highlights?

Show me a highlight video of an attackman who consistently and cleanly beats top d-poles from a grade older than his (without cheating) and I will understand the drive to early commit the player

Ok Maryland dad with the reclassed son

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe not illegal, but not ethical, but what the hek, do it because you can! Problem with USA kids/parents in general! Sad to see the direction of our country mirrored all around us!

no less ethical then a 93 GPA, 1200 SAT getting into Harvard because he is a great lacrosse player, when he could never have gotten in as a regular student. I doubt historians will look back on the down fall of our society because of all 150 or so 15 year old 9th graders verbally committing to university.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When watching highlight videos I see a few things which I dont understand how a D1 recruiter misses.

Size mismatches. For large attackmen I don't see a lot of video against trained and developed D1 caliber Defensemen. A 6-12 inch height advantage will disappear. When evaluating a reclassified player I would look for highlights against mature/skiled defenders. Our team had an early to mature Attackman on our team who has regressed as the world caught up to him.

2-Extensive use of free had to push off and get loose. Do they call wards nowadays? I see a lot of highlights that start with a push off of a defender with a free hand. Why are people publishing these non goals as highlights?

Show me a highlight video of an attackman who consistently and cleanly beats top d-poles from a grade older than his (without cheating) and I will understand the drive to early commit the player

Colleges do not give scholarships to kids based on highlight videos, it is part of the process and usually just a way to get into the conversation. When my son was being recruited by a top school they must have seen him in person 12 times, prospect day at the school, individual showcases HS and Club teams games and he was seen by 3 different coaches before an offer was made. I agree with you about the highlight videos and can not believe some of the kids put on theirs but it is a small part of the process

Actually an 8th grader - his HS has not yet started

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe not illegal, but not ethical, but what the hek, do it because you can! Problem with USA kids/parents in general! Sad to see the direction of our country mirrored all around us!

no less ethical then a 93 GPA, 1200 SAT getting into Harvard because he is a great lacrosse player, when he could never have gotten in as a regular student. I doubt historians will look back on the down fall of our society because of all 150 or so 15 year old 9th graders verbally committing to university.

Would never happen at any of the IVYs, don't even go there!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe not illegal, but not ethical, but what the hek, do it because you can! Problem with USA kids/parents in general! Sad to see the direction of our country mirrored all around us!

no less ethical then a 93 GPA, 1200 SAT getting into Harvard because he is a great lacrosse player, when he could never have gotten in as a regular student. I doubt historians will look back on the down fall of our society because of all 150 or so 15 year old 9th graders verbally committing to university.

Would never happen at any of the IVYs, don't even go there!

You're mis-informed, there are kids with lower credentials that have gotten into high Ivies. I will not disclose names, but their grades weren't even that good. You may not want to believe it, but it's a fact.
Further, there are non-athlete minorities getting into those same Ivies with the grades you mention and not paying a dime to go either. Another fact!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When watching highlight videos I see a few things which I dont understand how a D1 recruiter misses.

Size mismatches. For large attackmen I don't see a lot of video against trained and developed D1 caliber Defensemen. A 6-12 inch height advantage will disappear. When evaluating a reclassified player I would look for highlights against mature/skiled defenders. Our team had an early to mature Attackman on our team who has regressed as the world caught up to him.

2-Extensive use of free had to push off and get loose. Do they call wards nowadays? I see a lot of highlights that start with a push off of a defender with a free hand. Why are people publishing these non goals as highlights?

Show me a highlight video of an attackman who consistently and cleanly beats top d-poles from a grade older than his (without cheating) and I will understand the drive to early commit the player

Colleges do not give scholarships to kids based on highlight videos, it is part of the process and usually just a way to get into the conversation. When my son was being recruited by a top school they must have seen him in person 12 times, prospect day at the school, individual showcases HS and Club teams games and he was seen by 3 different coaches before an offer was made. I agree with you about the highlight videos and can not believe some of the kids put on theirs but it is a small part of the process

Honest to goodness truth here. One of my son's teammates committed to Hopkins and they never saw him play. Petro only saw him play after the fact. I have no ideas what if any scholarship money he is receiving.

Someone posted about "prospect" camps at some top schools.

I just saw this for Duke for 2017's and 2018's:

https://dukelacrossecampforboys.com/elite160winter.php

Is this a "prospect camp" or more like a summer camp?

Just curious because I'm new to all this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone posted about "prospect" camps at some top schools.

I just saw this for Duke for 2017's and 2018's:

https://dukelacrossecampforboys.com/elite160winter.php

Is this a "prospect camp" or more like a summer camp?

Just curious because I'm new to all this.

I think a little bit of both. All of these can be a great way to get in front of the coaches, but when possible I would always try to have it warmed up with at least an email prior to going, and the best case scenario would be a call from one of your coaches to see if they have seen your son play and generally feel them out about their level of interest.

We got that one emailed to us and was told by club coach to expect it. He called it a prospect day and a must if boy wants that school...

Another 2018 to Hopkins.

2nd 2018 commit - Joey Epstein, attack for Mad lax/ Landon to Johns Hopkins according to IL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Someone posted about "prospect" camps at some top schools.

I just saw this for Duke for 2017's and 2018's:

https://dukelacrossecampforboys.com/elite160winter.php

Is this a "prospect camp" or more like a summer camp?

Just curious because I'm new to all this.

received a mail from Danowski (young one) encouraging my son to register and got excited - saw a tweet from Duke shortly after encouraging the world to register

This is just another money grab

Hi can anyone here help me? Yesterday I took my son to the 2018 tryouts it was ran very well 7 if not more evaluators However a man was handing out fliers with some discouraging comments also heard the cops may have responded What's this all about. I really liked what I saw as a team and organization but this other aspect bothers me

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hi can anyone here help me? Yesterday I took my son to the 2018 tryouts it was ran very well 7 if not more evaluators However a man was handing out fliers with some discouraging comments also heard the cops may have responded What's this all about. I really liked what I saw as a team and organization but this other aspect bothers me

what organization?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hi can anyone here help me? Yesterday I took my son to the 2018 tryouts it was ran very well 7 if not more evaluators However a man was handing out fliers with some discouraging comments also heard the cops may have responded What's this all about. I really liked what I saw as a team and organization but this other aspect bothers me

what organization?

Jesters, usual drama surrounding that clown of a director.

That doesn't help whit an explanation were you there or is this your own dislike of the org

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hi can anyone here help me? Yesterday I took my son to the 2018 tryouts it was ran very well 7 if not more evaluators However a man was handing out fliers with some discouraging comments also heard the cops may have responded What's this all about. I really liked what I saw as a team and organization but this other aspect bothers me

Great team. Great coaches. I wouldn't worry about the drama.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone posted about "prospect" camps at some top schools.

I just saw this for Duke for 2017's and 2018's:

https://dukelacrossecampforboys.com/elite160winter.php

Is this a "prospect camp" or more like a summer camp?

Just curious because I'm new to all this.

I think a little bit of both. All of these can be a great way to get in front of the coaches, but when possible I would always try to have it warmed up with at least an email prior to going, and the best case scenario would be a call from one of your coaches to see if they have seen your son play and generally feel them out about their level of interest.

Based on who has registered already from my club, sorry to say, but this is just a summer camp.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hi can anyone here help me? Yesterday I took my son to the 2018 tryouts it was ran very well 7 if not more evaluators However a man was handing out fliers with some discouraging comments also heard the cops may have responded What's this all about. I really liked what I saw as a team and organization but this other aspect bothers me

Great team. Great coaches. I wouldn't worry about the drama.

How do you know Empire is a "great team" when they hadnt picked it , practiced or played when you posted that response

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone posted about "prospect" camps at some top schools.

I just saw this for Duke for 2017's and 2018's:

https://dukelacrossecampforboys.com/elite160winter.php

Is this a "prospect camp" or more like a summer camp?

Just curious because I'm new to all this.

I think a little bit of both. All of these can be a great way to get in front of the coaches, but when possible I would always try to have it warmed up with at least an email prior to going, and the best case scenario would be a call from one of your coaches to see if they have seen your son play and generally feel them out about their level of interest.

Based on who has registered already from my club, sorry to say, but this is just a summer camp.

No, this is a winter prospect camp, one day only.

Spoke to Duke coach, this is their prospect camp.

Yes, this is a prospect camp. Like most others the vast majority of the slots will be filled by first come first serve players of dillusional parents willing to drop cash on any and everything. If you are on Duke's rader you have already heard from Duke (through your HS and/or Club) and missing this event will not get you crossed off their list. If you are not on Duke's rader this is not the sort of event that will get you there. This is a glorified summer camp with the difference as already noted being that it is only one day and takes place in the fall. This is not unique to Duke. Prospect Camps are only worthwhile if you are on the school's 20-30 player short list. If you are on the list going to prospect camp is optional especially if it conflicts with club or school play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, this is a prospect camp. Like most others the vast majority of the slots will be filled by first come first serve players of dillusional parents willing to drop cash on any and everything. If you are on Duke's rader you have already heard from Duke (through your HS and/or Club) and missing this event will not get you crossed off their list. If you are not on Duke's rader this is not the sort of event that will get you there. This is a glorified summer camp with the difference as already noted being that it is only one day and takes place in the fall. This is not unique to Duke. Prospect Camps are only worthwhile if you are on the school's 20-30 player short list. If you are on the list going to prospect camp is optional especially if it conflicts with club or school play.

yes and no - I know of two kids that were not on anybody's watch list and went to one of these (one was my son) without having been contacted first and wound up getting recruited by those schools. this is an excellent way to get on that list if you are not on it. An "unknown" is not going to get recruited because of a one day event like this but if they perform well and stand out they certainly can become a "known". I don't think that Duke has a 20-30 kid watch list that is impenetrable by a HS freshman at this point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, this is a prospect camp. Like most others the vast majority of the slots will be filled by first come first serve players of dillusional parents willing to drop cash on any and everything. If you are on Duke's rader you have already heard from Duke (through your HS and/or Club) and missing this event will not get you crossed off their list. If you are not on Duke's rader this is not the sort of event that will get you there. This is a glorified summer camp with the difference as already noted being that it is only one day and takes place in the fall. This is not unique to Duke. Prospect Camps are only worthwhile if you are on the school's 20-30 player short list. If you are on the list going to prospect camp is optional especially if it conflicts with club or school play.

yes and no - I know of two kids that were not on anybody's watch list and went to one of these (one was my son) without having been contacted first and wound up getting recruited by those schools. this is an excellent way to get on that list if you are not on it. An "unknown" is not going to get recruited because of a one day event like this but if they perform well and stand out they certainly can become a "known". I don't think that Duke has a 20-30 kid watch list that is impenetrable by a HS freshman at this point.

I will add: You need to know your kid! Perhaps by asking yourself the following questions, you can make a better decision about an event like this. Is he a starter on one of the top 4 or 5 A teams on LI? Is he a top scorer? Is he a lock down defender? An unbeatable face off kid? Did he play JV last year? Will he be on Varsity this spring? Did he play and compete in any Varsity level events this past summer? Has he received any other legitimate ACC level interest? If the answer to all or most of these questions is yes, then I say give it a shot. If the answer is no to all or most, you're putting your son in a tough spot. I think if the kid can show well against the kids they're already interested in, you might open some eyes.

Granted its all about recruiting now for 2018. However, What's the feeling out there about the some of the 2018 A teams? Any thoughts on who'll be more or less competitive? Player movement or impacts? No axe to grind just lax talk.

I imagine Terps and Extreme will be very strong as usual. The MD teams will be strong as will the Dukes.

Big growth year for boys so I think that can have an impact this year and perhaps some teams that were not always the strongest, can have better success. Should be a fun fall...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Granted its all about recruiting now for 2018. However, What's the feeling out there about the some of the 2018 A teams? Any thoughts on who'll be more or less competitive? Player movement or impacts? No axe to grind just lax talk.

Way too early to tell. You have Extreme and Terps....then it is a crap shoot. Tryouts have barely started.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Granted its all about recruiting now for 2018. However, What's the feeling out there about the some of the 2018 A teams? Any thoughts on who'll be more or less competitive? Player movement or impacts? No axe to grind just lax talk.

Way too early to tell. You have Extreme and Terps....then it is a crap shoot. Tryouts have barely started.

Was at fl$ and my son made it to day and didn't make the team. They look real good if some of kids accept.

Well if fl$ continues to loose players to Extreme and Terps in 2018 age group and not fill those positions with quality replacements they will be in trouble. They also need to cut the dead wood from their team they seem to stay loyal to even though thay are on a steady decline and hurt their team. A number of their better players were at the 91 tryout.

Serious question for the crowd.

If you have a non-hotbed travel team of 9th grade kids, some of whom have the talent and desire to play DIII, others maybe higher, but none of whom are the type to get high DI early recruiting attention, is there any real benefit to paying a bunch of money to attend one hotbed recruiting tournament this Fall? Will DIII or non-early recruiting DI or DII coaches even going to come to their games to watch 9th graders?

This is not about my son, for whom we would only have play because he really likes the boys on his team and the sport. But the (parent) coaches just sent out an email making this Fall season all about the recruiting process (in order to justify very high fees).

What's the deal? I know it's a money grab, but is there any benefit to it recruiting-wise?

PS - I assume with near 100% confidence that there is ZERO recruiting benefit for a 2019 player to attend the weekend, if not a dominant stud (not). Correct?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Granted its all about recruiting now for 2018. However, What's the feeling out there about the some of the 2018 A teams? Any thoughts on who'll be more or less competitive? Player movement or impacts? No axe to grind just lax talk.

Way too early to tell. You have Extreme and Terps....then it is a crap shoot. Tryouts have barely started.

Outlaws has the potential to be a much stronger team this year, we'll see how they shape up. Good luck to all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question for the crowd.

If you have a non-hotbed travel team of 9th grade kids, some of whom have the talent and desire to play DIII, others maybe higher, but none of whom are the type to get high DI early recruiting attention, is there any real benefit to paying a bunch of money to attend one hotbed recruiting tournament this Fall? Will DIII or non-early recruiting DI or DII coaches even going to come to their games to watch 9th graders?

This is not about my son, for whom we would only have play because he really likes the boys on his team and the sport. But the (parent) coaches just sent out an email making this Fall season all about the recruiting process (in order to justify very high fees).

What's the deal? I know it's a money grab, but is there any benefit to it recruiting-wise?

PS - I assume with near 100% confidence that there is ZERO recruiting benefit for a 2019 player to attend the weekend, if not a dominant stud (not). Correct?

Don't waste the money and time. If there are D3 potential players, they can wait until maybe fall or summer of junior year to start heavy with showcases. If they are low level D1 I would say summer between sophomore and junior years. This summer will be a waste mostly. Try to get them better and play best competition possible without being over their heads this year. Don't buy into the hype or money grabs. Vast majority of kids are not making commitments to play college ball until summer after junior year. There is plenty of time. If they are interested in a particular school (D-3, low D1). Start sending video, making contact with colleges after soph to junior summer. No harm if done earlier if a strong interest in particular schools, but not necessary for that level despite the hype and perceived pressure mostly from parents.

In the history of BOTC this is the best and most realistic question and answer I have ever seen. Perfection. Thank you

Has anyone's son received a Maverik Showtime invite yet? Have they been sent out already?

First official 2018 from Long Island. Terps Villani committs to Maryland

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First official 2018 from Long Island. Terps Villani committs to Maryland

Kid goes from Terps to Extreme to Terps. Grass is not always greener. Good for him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First official 2018 from Long Island. Terps Villani committs to Maryland

Won't even start on his varsity team. Ha!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First official 2018 from Long Island. Terps Villani committs to Maryland

Kid goes from Terps to Extreme to Terps. Grass is not always greener. Good for him.

Two 91 Extreme starters left them for Terps this year. Must not be all sunshine and roses playing for SL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First official 2018 from Long Island. Terps Villani committs to Maryland

Won't even start on his varsity team. Ha!

And doesn't play football, imagine that!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First official 2018 from Long Island. Terps Villani committs to Maryland

Congrats you Villani! Nice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First official 2018 from Long Island. Terps Villani committs to Maryland

Won't even start on his varsity team. Ha!

Kid can't find his way from lunch room to Earth Science class - only in high school 3 days but he knows Maryland is where he wants to go to college?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone's son received a Maverik Showtime invite yet? Have they been sent out already?

For those 2018 who have't committed, can anyone confirm? We have not received but were told to expect one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First official 2018 from Long Island. Terps Villani committs to Maryland

Congrats Christian, all your friends here in Smithtown are very proud of you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First official 2018 from Long Island. Terps Villani committs to Maryland

Won't even start on his varsity team. Ha!

That Varsity team is loaded with D1 commits and will only be adding more with a few of the incoming 9th grade boys

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone's son received a Maverik Showtime invite yet? Have they been sent out already?

For those 2018 who have't committed, can anyone confirm? We have not received but were told to expect one.

Just got it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First official 2018 from Long Island. Terps Villani committs to Maryland

Wow!!! Looks to me like SL couldn't get 'er done so they needed to put 'er in the hands of someone more capable. Nice job Channy!!!

You're not going to Start when three fourths of the roster are D1 commits, Good kid, Good family, he'll be fine>

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First official 2018 from Long Island. Terps Villani committs to Maryland

Won't even start on his varsity team. Ha!

That Varsity team is loaded with D1 commits and will only be adding more with a few of the incoming 9th grade boys

Does he go to East or West ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First official 2018 from Long Island. Terps Villani committs to Maryland

Won't even start on his varsity team. Ha!

That Varsity team is loaded with D1 commits and will only be adding more with a few of the incoming 9th grade boys

Does he go to East or West ?

West is done, East is the cool kid in town now!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First official 2018 from Long Island. Terps Villani committs to Maryland

Won't even start on his varsity team. Ha!

That Varsity team is loaded with D1 commits and will only be adding more with a few of the incoming 9th grade boys

Does he go to East or West ?

East

What position does this kid play from Smithtown wast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question for the crowd.

If you have a non-hotbed travel team of 9th grade kids, some of whom have the talent and desire to play DIII, others maybe higher, but none of whom are the type to get high DI early recruiting attention, is there any real benefit to paying a bunch of money to attend one hotbed recruiting tournament this Fall? Will DIII or non-early recruiting DI or DII coaches even going to come to their guames to watch 9th graders?

This is not about my son, for whom we would only have play because he really likes the boys on his team and the sport. But the (parent) coaches just sent out an email making this Fall season all about the recruiting process (in order to justify very high fees).

What's the deal? I know it's a money grab, but is there any benefit to it recruiting-wise?

PS - I assume with near 100% confidence that there is ZERO recruiting benefit for a 2019 player to attend the weekend, if not a dominant stud (not). Correct?

Don't waste the money and time. If there are D3 potential players, they can wait until maybe fall or summer of junior year to start heavy with showcases. If they are low level D1 I would say summer between sophomore and junior years. This summer will be a waste mostly. Try to get them better and play best competition possible without being over their heads this year. Don't buy into the hype or money grabs. Vast majority of kids are not making commitments to play college ball until summer after junior year. There is plenty of time. If they are interested in a particular school (D-3, low D1). Start sending video, making contact with colleges after soph to junior summer. No harm if done earlier if a strong interest in particular schools, but not necessary for that level despite the hype and perceived pressure mostly from parents.

Great words of wisdom. It's nice to hear from a parent who doesn't think their kid is entitled just because they're from Long Island who think their kid is a ivy or acc recruit. Work on skill but most importantly have your son get buried in the books. Superior grades will get him noticed FIRST at a d3 school. Good luck.

can confirm that showtime is out for 2018,,,

He is a great lacrosse player - strong middie with equal left and right! Congrats!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What position does this kid play from Smithtown wast.

He from East not West - middie

I would be curious to know how many early commits:
1 - attend the school they commit to
2 - play lax for ALL four years at that same school
3 - graduate from that same school
4- change to different school prior to HS graduation
5- become all american (conference etc)

It may take a few years to compile since we these kids are 8 years away from potentially graduating, but it would be interesting.

Yeah, 8 years away from college graduation........like committing a 4 grader to your varsity team.

I think in due time, the early recruiting won't go away but early committing will.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would be curious to know how many early commits:
1 - attend the school they commit to
2 - play lax for ALL four years at that same school
3 - graduate from that same school
4- change to different school prior to HS graduation
5- become all american (conference etc)

It may take a few years to compile since we these kids are 8 years away from potentially graduating, but it would be interesting.

Yeah, 8 years away from college graduation........like committing a 4 grader to your varsity team.

These statistics will be interesting to follow. How can a freshman decide where he wants to go to college. My son hasn't even decided if/what sport he would play in college. Maybe this puts him behind the 8 ball, but I can't see rushing into such a big decision.

If it was my kid, and it is not, and he could commit to a better school then I project him to be able to get into without lacrosse and it is a large enough school to have a good variety of majors I can not see the down side - so what if he changes his mind and decommits he is in the same place he would have been anyway but without a fallback option. put a binder on the house but still look at other houses until contract is signed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can confirm that showtime is out for 2018,,,

Sent our check in...

valid points - if school is better academically than he could get w/o lax or financially it's an "offer you can't refuse". However, when you haven't even stepped on the HS field what is your real incentive to improve? The college coach is saying "You're good enough now, I want you". Not saying every early commit does this, but it is very possible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

valid points - if school is better academically than he could get w/o lax or financially it's an "offer you can't refuse". However, when you haven't even stepped on the HS field what is your real incentive to improve? The college coach is saying "You're good enough now, I want you". Not saying every early commit does this, but it is very possible.

Reality check, these boys getting early offers are flat out competitors, doubt that they will wake up and say, I am already committed, no need to try any more...

there is n downside to these early commits, and no, i dont have one

Originally Posted by Anonymous

valid points - if school is better academically than he could get w/o lax or financially it's an "offer you can't refuse". However, when you haven't even stepped on the HS field what is your real incentive to improve? The college coach is saying "You're good enough now, I want you". Not saying every early commit does this, but it is very possible.

It's clear you never played at a high level.

Coach Boone: I don't scratch my head unless it itches and I don't dance unless I hear some music. I will not be intimidated. That's just the way it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

valid points - if school is better academically than he could get w/o lax or financially it's an "offer you can't refuse". However, when you haven't even stepped on the HS field what is your real incentive to improve? The college coach is saying "You're good enough now, I want you". Not saying every early commit does this, but it is very possible.

It's clear you never played at a high level.

I don't think it is an invalid question. There is a very good player who played for a team that won a NYS championship last year. This kid committed early in 10th grade when that was considered early ,what three years ago. The school isn't known as a great academic institution. This kid won all the awards, IL top 25 etc. He kept up the lax part but not the academic part. He did not enter his committed college this fall with his class. This also happened to a local kid committed to a top 20 D-1 school and never played there. He was one of the top D2 players last year though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

valid points - if school is better academically than he could get w/o lax or financially it's an "offer you can't refuse". However, when you haven't even stepped on the HS field what is your real incentive to improve? The college coach is saying "You're good enough now, I want you". Not saying every early commit does this, but it is very possible.

Reality check, these boys getting early offers are flat out competitors, doubt that they will wake up and say, I am already committed, no need to try any more...

there is n downside to these early commits, and no, i don't have one

How is it possible that ANYONE thinks a 14 year old kid knows where he wants to go to college. After all, aren't they going to college for an education? Someday they won't play lacrosse any more and they will need to make their way in the world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First official 2018 from Long Island. Terps Villani committs to Maryland

Won't even start on his varsity team. Ha!

That is unkind. How many freshman start at their DI programs? Give us the number genius! Sounds like someone is awfully jealous! A congratulations for the young man is in order!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First official 2018 from Long Island. Terps Villani committs to Maryland

Won't even start on his varsity team. Ha!

That is unkind. How many freshman start at their DI programs? Give us the number genius! Sounds like someone is awfully jealous! A congratulations for the young man is in order!

Who cares if he doesn't start on his HS team? He has 4 yrs to play and enjoy. He will grow, learn and develop like the rest of them and have less stress because a great school already wants him! I see no downside here either. A kid decides to change his mind, he can do so. He decides to quit lacrosse, he will apply like everyone else to other schools. He may only be 14, how many kids do you think know at 17 where they want to really go? At least this kid and other early commits have excellent schools set on their horizons. Congrats to the kid and all the others. Talent only carries you so far- hard work takes you the rest of the way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

valid points - if school is better academically than he could get w/o lax or financially it's an "offer you can't refuse". However, when you haven't even stepped on the HS field what is your real incentive to improve? The college coach is saying "You're good enough now, I want you". Not saying every early commit does this, but it is very possible.

Reality check, these boys getting early offers are flat out competitors, doubt that they will wake up and say, I am already committed, no need to try any more...

there is n downside to these early commits, and no, i don't have one

How is it possible that ANYONE thinks a 14 year old kid knows where he wants to go to college. After all, aren't they going to college for an education? Someday they won't play lacrosse any more and they will need to make their way in the world.

Come on, don't you know lax scholarships are huge and you can make the big bucks playing lax after college? Thankfully not everyone on this board has lost all persepctive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

valid points - if school is better academically than he could get w/o lax or financially it's an "offer you can't refuse". However, when you haven't even stepped on the HS field what is your real incentive to improve? The college coach is saying "You're good enough now, I want you". Not saying every early commit does this, but it is very possible.

Reality check, these boys getting early offers are flat out competitors, doubt that they will wake up and say, I am already committed, no need to try any more...

there is n downside to these early commits, and no, i don't have one

How is it possible that ANYONE thinks a 14 year old kid knows where he wants to go to college. After all, aren't they going to college for an education? Someday they won't play lacrosse any more and they will need to make their way in the world.

Another reality check-none of us knew what we wanted to do for a living when we went to college. Even those that thought they did changed majors and feilds, some several times. That is why liberal arts schools and degrees have always been popular.

the only thing my son needs to know is that getting an undergrad degree is not the end game. To compete in life (forget lax) you need post grad in whatever field you choose.

So if Duke or JH or UVA or IVY wants him now because he can play lax, good for him. Anyone that disagrees for thier family can simply decline the offer, in my house we would take it and move on.

With all the growth of the sport, I am not sure why colleges, some of which are the best academic institutions in world, are in such a rush to have these kids commit. I know it is a verbal, but wait until senior year to commit. Until the early commits start de-committing (both at the player and college level), you can't blame a family for early committing. It's free.

Congrats to George Wichelns, of T91 for verbal to Maryland.

Not to be out done....91 Extreme Attackman Wichelns commits to Maryland. The second 2018 from Lond Island

Righty or lefty attack?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

valid points - if school is better academically than he could get w/o lax or financially it's an "offer you can't refuse". However, when you haven't even stepped on the HS field what is your real incentive to improve? The college coach is saying "You're good enough now, I want you". Not saying every early commit does this, but it is very possible.

Reality check, these boys getting early offers are flat out competitors, doubt that they will wake up and say, I am already committed, no need to try any more...

there is n downside to these early commits, and no, i don't have one

How is it possible that ANYONE thinks a 14 year old kid knows where he wants to go to college. After all, aren't they going to college for an education? Someday they won't play lacrosse any more and they will need to make their way in the world.

Why do people assume that EVERY 14 year old is NOT mature enough to have an idea what the want to do in the future? Every kid & family is different!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not to be out done....91 Extreme Attackman Wichelns commits to Maryland. The second 2018 from Lond Island

Thats awesome congrats to this young man! How many freshman from Long Island were committed around this time last year? I see there is a bunch committed now (2017 class) for LI.

What makes up a verbal commitment to Maryland. As long I am still the coach in 4 years and you maintain a ____ GPA and score a __________ on your SATs and stay out of trouble you're in.

Now replace Maryland for Cornell.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not to be out done....91 Extreme Attackman Wichelns commits to Maryland. The second 2018 from Lond Island

Thats awesome congrats to this young man! How many freshman from Long Island were committed around this time last year? I see there is a bunch committed now (2017 class) for LI.

if memory serves correct, NONE. The first to commit from 2017 was Ara Atayan, M, of Bronxville (N.Y.) committed to North Carolina in November, so that puts the 2018 verbals a 2 months earlier.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not to be out done....91 Extreme Attackman Wichelns commits to Maryland. The second 2018 from Lond Island

Thats awesome congrats to this young man! How many freshman from Long Island were committed around this time last year? I see there is a bunch committed now (2017 class) for LI.

if memory serves correct, NONE. The first to commit from 2017 was Ara Atayan, M, of Bronxville (N.Y.) committed to North Carolina in November, so that puts the 2018 verbals a 2 months earlier.

Yes, correct. But I think there was a Chaminade or St.Anthony's freshman last year went 1st off L.I.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not to be out done....91 Extreme Attackman Wichelns commits to Maryland. The second 2018 from Lond Island

Thats awesome congrats to this young man! How many freshman from Long Island were committed around this time last year? I see there is a bunch committed now (2017 class) for LI.

if memory serves correct, NONE. The first to commit from 2017 was Ara Atayan, M, of Bronxville (N.Y.) committed to North Carolina in November, so that puts the 2018 verbals a 2 months earlier.

Yes, correct. But I think there was a Chaminade or St.Anthony's freshman last year went 1st off L.I.

Not sure but you may be referring to Tyler Senerchia, but he didn't commit until around Feb '14.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not to be out done....91 Extreme Attackman Wichelns commits to Maryland. The second 2018 from Lond Island

Thats awesome congrats to this young man! How many freshman from Long Island were committed around this time last year? I see there is a bunch committed now (2017 class) for LI.

if memory serves correct, NONE. The first to commit from 2017 was Ara Atayan, M, of Bronxville (N.Y.) committed to North Carolina in November, so that puts the 2018 verbals a 2 months earlier.

Yes, correct. But I think there was a Chaminade or St.Anthony's freshman last year went 1st off L.I.

i believe Kevin Snyder, M/FO, Commack, committed sometime in January, he played for True Blue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes up a verbal commitment to Maryland. As long I am still the coach in 4 years and you maintain a ____ GPA and score a __________ on your SATs and stay out of trouble you're in.

Now replace Maryland for Cornell.

GPA/SAT Graph - UMD
GPA/SAT Graph - Cornell

You can discount each given the admissions assist provided by Lacrosse. Sad to say, but by LI education standards, Maryland is pretty easy to get into even without lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not to be out done....91 Extreme Attackman Wichelns commits to Maryland. The second 2018 from Lond Island

Thats awesome congrats to this young man! How many freshman from Long Island were committed around this time last year? I see there is a bunch committed now (2017 class) for LI.

if memory serves correct, NONE. The first to commit from 2017 was Ara Atayan, M, of Bronxville (N.Y.) committed to North Carolina in November, so that puts the 2018 verbals a 2 months earlier.

Yes, correct. But I think there was a Chaminade or St.Anthony's freshman last year went 1st off L.I.

Not sure but you may be referring to Tyler Senerchia, but he didn't commit until around Feb '14.

Yes! That is the STA player I was referring to, but he committed early Dec of 2013. Looks like he was the earliest freshman last year from L.I.-

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not to be out done....91 Extreme Attackman Wichelns commits to Maryland. The second 2018 from Lond Island

Thats awesome congrats to this young man! How many freshman from Long Island were committed around this time last year? I see there is a bunch committed now (2017 class) for LI.

if memory serves correct, NONE. The first to commit from 2017 was Ara Atayan, M, of Bronxville (N.Y.) committed to North Carolina in November, so that puts the 2018 verbals a 2 months earlier.

Yes, correct. But I think there was a Chaminade or St.Anthony's freshman last year went 1st off L.I.

i believe Kevin Snyder, M/FO, Commack, committed sometime in January, he played for True Blue.

I think Tyler Senerchia LSM/D, St. Anthony's committed before Snyder

These early commits are good players but are they the top 2 on long island?
Hard to say there are plenty of players just as good.
Congrats- for contacting schools so early

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not to be out done....91 Extreme Attackman Wichelns commits to Maryland. The second 2018 from Lond Island

Thats awesome congrats to this young man! How many freshman from Long Island were committed around this time last year? I see there is a bunch committed now (2017 class) for LI.

if memory serves correct, NONE. The first to commit from 2017 was Ara Atayan, M, of Bronxville (N.Y.) committed to North Carolina in November, so that puts the 2018 verbals a 2 months earlier.

Yes, correct. But I think there was a Chaminade or St.Anthony's freshman last year went 1st off L.I.

The first there long island freshman last year that committed early-

Dec 9, 2013- Tyler Senerchia- LSM/D - St.Anthony's - Bucknell
Dec 17, 2013- Ian Laviano- Attack - CSH - UVA
Dec 22, 2013- Conner DeSimone - Mid- Smithtown East- Hopkins

Looks like all three play for Tenacious Turtles

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not to be out done....91 Extreme Attackman Wichelns commits to Maryland. The second 2018 from Lond Island

Thats awesome congrats to this young man! How many freshman from Long Island were committed around this time last year? I see there is a bunch committed now (2017 class) for LI.

if memory serves correct, NONE. The first to commit from 2017 was Ara Atayan, M, of Bronxville (N.Y.) committed to North Carolina in November, so that puts the 2018 verbals a 2 months earlier.

Yes, correct. But I think there was a Chaminade or St.Anthony's freshman last year went 1st off L.I.

The first there long island freshman last year that committed early-

Dec 9, 2013- Tyler Senerchia- LSM/D - St.Anthony's - Bucknell
Dec 17, 2013- Ian Laviano- Attack - CSH - UVA
Dec 22, 2013- Conner DeSimone - Mid- Smithtown East- Hopkins

Looks like all three play for Tenacious Turtles

Not Laviano. 91 takes credit for that one. Sorry Turtle daddy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not to be out done....91 Extreme Attackman Wichelns commits to Maryland. The second 2018 from Lond Island

Thats awesome congrats to this young man! How many freshman from Long Island were committed around this time last year? I see there is a bunch committed now (2017 class) for LI.

if memory serves correct, NONE. The first to commit from 2017 was Ara Atayan, M, of Bronxville (N.Y.) committed to North Carolina in November, so that puts the 2018 verbals a 2 months earlier.

Yes, correct. But I think there was a Chaminade or St.Anthony's freshman last year went 1st off L.I.

The first there long island freshman last year that committed early-

Dec 9, 2013- Tyler Senerchia- LSM/D - St.Anthony's - Bucknell
Dec 17, 2013- Ian Laviano- Attack - CSH - UVA
Dec 22, 2013- Conner DeSimone - Mid- Smithtown East- Hopkins

Looks like all three play for Tenacious Turtles

Not Laviano. 91 takes credit for that one. Sorry Turtle daddy

Laviano played his entire life for the Turtles except last summer. He made committed before ever playing for 91.

Maryland not as easy for out of state. Always nice to play for the State University that values lacrosse more then any other of the 50 States.

Either way you look at it- its starting earlier. Incredible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not to be out done....91 Extreme Attackman Wichelns commits to Maryland. The second 2018 from Lond Island

Thats awesome congrats to this young man! How many freshman from Long Island were committed around this time last year? I see there is a bunch committed now (2017 class) for LI.

if memory serves correct, NONE. The first to commit from 2017 was Ara Atayan, M, of Bronxville (N.Y.) committed to North Carolina in November, so that puts the 2018 verbals a 2 months earlier.

Yes, correct. But I think there was a Chaminade or St.Anthony's freshman last year went 1st off L.I.

The first there long island freshman last year that committed early-

Dec 9, 2013- Tyler Senerchia- LSM/D - St.Anthony's - Bucknell
Dec 17, 2013- Ian Laviano- Attack - CSH - UVA
Dec 22, 2013- Conner DeSimone - Mid- Smithtown East- Hopkins

Looks like all three play for Tenacious Turtles

Not Laviano. 91 takes credit for that one. Sorry Turtle daddy

Right....left 91 now back with turtles. Quick turnaround. Tough to deal with all solo cup WT over there

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These early commits are good players but are they the top 2 on long island?
Hard to say there are plenty of players just as good.
Congrats- for contacting schools so early

Not top 2, but top 10. Top three players all play for Chaminade (Goalie (Terps), Defenseman (Extreme), Middie (Extreme)). You can put them in any order you want and will not get an argument. After those three, you can start your list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not to be out done....91 Extreme Attackman Wichelns commits to Maryland. The second 2018 from Lond Island

Thats awesome congrats to this young man! How many freshman from Long Island were committed around this time last year? I see there is a bunch committed now (2017 class) for LI.

if memory serves correct, NONE. The first to commit from 2017 was Ara Atayan, M, of Bronxville (N.Y.) committed to North Carolina in November, so that puts the 2018 verbals a 2 months earlier.

Yes, correct. But I think there was a Chaminade or St.Anthony's freshman last year went 1st off L.I.

The first there long island freshman last year that committed early-

Dec 9, 2013- Tyler Senerchia- LSM/D - St.Anthony's - Bucknell
Dec 17, 2013- Ian Laviano- Attack - CSH - UVA
Dec 22, 2013- Conner DeSimone - Mid- Smithtown East- Hopkins

Looks like all three play for Tenacious Turtles

Not Laviano. 91 takes credit for that one. Sorry Turtle daddy

That was PR I am guessing. Clubs need show recruiting results to bolster their effectiveness to prospect players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not to be out done....91 Extreme Attackman Wichelns commits to Maryland. The second 2018 from Lond Island

Thats awesome congrats to this young man! How many freshman from Long Island were committed around this time last year? I see there is a bunch committed now (2017 class) for LI.

if memory serves correct, NONE. The first to commit from 2017 was Ara Atayan, M, of Bronxville (N.Y.) committed to North Carolina in November, so that puts the 2018 verbals a 2 months earlier.

Yes, correct. But I think there was a Chaminade or St.Anthony's freshman last year went 1st off L.I.

The first there long island freshman last year that committed early-

Dec 9, 2013- Tyler Senerchia- LSM/D - St.Anthony's - Bucknell
Dec 17, 2013- Ian Laviano- Attack - CSH - UVA
Dec 22, 2013- Conner DeSimone - Mid- Smithtown East- Hopkins

Looks like all three play for Tenacious Turtles

Not Laviano. 91 takes credit for that one. Sorry Turtle daddy

Ha! Not a turtle dad but I do my homework. With the grades surrounding my sons age. You also should your homework. Laviano is back with the turtles team, fact.

Ned Braden, 2018 Charlestown, commits.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not to be out done....91 Extreme Attackman Wichelns commits to Maryland. The second 2018 from Lond Island

Thats awesome congrats to this young man! How many freshman from Long Island were committed around this time last year? I see there is a bunch committed now (2017 class) for LI.

if memory serves correct, NONE. The first to commit from 2017 was Ara Atayan, M, of Bronxville (N.Y.) committed to North Carolina in November, so that puts the 2018 verbals a 2 months earlier.

Yes, correct. But I think there was a Chaminade or St.Anthony's freshman last year went 1st off L.I.

The first there long island freshman last year that committed early-

Dec 9, 2013- Tyler Senerchia- LSM/D - St.Anthony's - Bucknell
Dec 17, 2013- Ian Laviano- Attack - CSH - UVA
Dec 22, 2013- Conner DeSimone - Mid- Smithtown East- Hopkins

Looks like all three play for Tenacious Turtles

Not Laviano. 91 takes credit for that one. Sorry Turtle daddy

Sorry 91 daddy but look into Laviano's history but you make statements like that. Makes you look foolish when you are so uninformed

FACT: Laviano committed to Va as a 91 player, sorry again Turtle daddy!

Agree with those 3 chaminade boys. They all want ivy or schools that don't offer without academic records for freshman year

Ha!!! says who Daddy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FACT: Laviano committed to Va as a 91 player, sorry again Turtle daddy!

Lol. Fact: 91 had nothing to do with the kid committing to virginia.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ned Braden, 2018 Charlestown, commits.

It says here he's an American and has a college degree

your dad would give you a job, my dad would give you a job

it's good to have options

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These early commits are good players but are they the top 2 on long island?
Hard to say there are plenty of players just as good.
Congrats- for contacting schools so early

Not top 2, but top 10. Top three players all play for Chaminade (Goalie (Terps), Defenseman (Extreme), Middie (Extreme)). You can put them in any order you want and will not get an argument. After those three, you can start your list.

I would add syo attack (exp) to that list

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ned Braden, 2018 Charlestown, commits.

It says here he's an American and has a college degree

your dad would give you a job, my dad would give you a job

it's good to have options

All-eastern that what it said in the yearbook

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FACT: Laviano committed to Va as a 91 player, sorry again Turtle daddy!

Lol. Fact: 91 had nothing to do with the kid committing to virginia.

Oh, so the Turtles were actively involved in the recruiting of a boy who left their team to play for rival 91. So Turtles can keep claiming "oh, but he used to play for us" makes no sense

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FACT: Laviano committed to Va as a 91 player, sorry again Turtle daddy!

Lol. Fact: 91 had nothing to do with the kid committing to virginia.

Oh, so the Turtles were actively involved in the recruiting of a boy who left their team to play for rival 91. So Turtles can keep claiming "oh, but he used to play for us" makes no sense

guys - Laviano did not need 91 or turtles help - he needed his highlight film and an e-mail address, he is a great player and every D1 coach in the country knew who he was. All the credit goes to the KID. others need help, he did not

Who cares. Move it to a 2017 thread !

Are more invites going to go out to Philly showcase?

What's the lowdown on the Jake Reed Fall Blue Chip in Charlotte?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the lowdown on the Jake Reed Fall Blue Chip in Charlotte?

bad timing - good if you are not going to PFS
last year the talent at 2017 was mixed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the lowdown on the Jake Reed Fall Blue Chip in Charlotte?

bad timing - good if you are not going to PFS
last year the talent at 2017 was mixed

How was the college coaching turnout? How many colleges sent coaches?

Was at 91's 2018 tryout today. Hearing that there was so much talent that they will be having 3 A teams. Good luck with that. However they put it, it's an A, B, and C team. Any other team will play second fiddle to Extreme. Whatever they call you. Only can bring one team to the premier showcase tournaments. If your not on Extreme you are not going to these tournaments.

Wrong Wrong orange and extreme A tourn last year, 2nd team orange beat all A teams except express and if the third team is good enough to play in A tournaments so be it this year? lot of talent at the tryout

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the lowdown on the Jake Reed Fall Blue Chip in Charlotte?

bad timing - good if you are not going to PFS
last year the talent at 2017 was mixed

How was the college coaching turnout? How many colleges sent coaches?

It was very good the first and just OK on day two.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong Wrong orange and extreme A tourn last year, 2nd team orange beat all A teams except express and if the third team is good enough to play in A tournaments so be it this year? lot of talent at the tryout

You love the kool aide!!!! One club cant send 2 teams from the same age group to the same elite showcase tournaments. The elite ones that are being played this season. Example: 2018 Extreme Team going to Philly Team Showcase, Orange is not. How many Orange players playing in individual Philly Freshman? I believe zero!!! FYI Orange lost to Jesters Black at lax fest I believe. Orange is good but Extreme is their premier team. Don't drink the Kool aide this poster is selling people. It's A, B, and C regardless of what they tell you. That's how you are ranked within their program. All players just tried out for Orange. There were what? 4 to 5 positions changes on 91 Extreme 2 were for the kids that went to express terps and the LSM and a Middy addition. Everyone else was trying out for Orange B and White C. That's the facts Jack!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong Wrong orange and extreme A tourn last year, 2nd team orange beat all A teams except express and if the third team is good enough to play in A tournaments so be it this year? lot of talent at the tryout

Ohh your right 2018 Orange was at Platinum Cup and fl$ in 3D. Not!!! How many of the same tournaments did they play in together? Other than fl$ Long Island and Laxfest. I have a bridge to sell you, cheap. Keep lining their pockets based on what they are telling you.

Please give me facts as to how I am wrong. Would be more than happy to hear you regurgitate what they told you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong Wrong orange and extreme A tourn last year, 2nd team orange beat all A teams except express and if the third team is good enough to play in A tournaments so be it this year? lot of talent at the tryout

Ohh your right 2018 Orange was at Platinum Cup and fl$ in 3D. Not!!! How many of the same tournaments did they play in together? Other than fl$ Long Island and Laxfest. I have a bridge to sell you, cheap. Keep lining their pockets based on what they are telling you.

Please give me facts as to how I am wrong. Would be more than happy to hear you regurgitate what they told you.

Here are the facts. There is only enough for one invite per club at these team showcases. And Jesters beat 91 Orange with little difficulty at Laxfest.

Terps dad here. I think that 91 team (not extreme) is a true A team and can play with everyone and hold their own even if they are the second team in that 91 organization.

Further, terps are sending individual players to the philly fresh showcase but not attendign team day. Instead we are headed to MD to play crabs and those MD team in some small invitational event...

If your kid is on that second team, IMO you are doing ok and will get noticed at various other events. colleges go to more that just the top three in my experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong Wrong orange and extreme A tourn last year, 2nd team orange beat all A teams except express and if the third team is good enough to play in A tournaments so be it this year? lot of talent at the tryout

Ohh your right 2018 Orange was at Platinum Cup and fl$ in 3D. Not!!! How many of the same tournaments did they play in together? Other than fl$ Long Island and Laxfest. I have a bridge to sell you, cheap. Keep lining their pockets based on what they are telling you.

Please give me facts as to how I am wrong. Would be more than happy to hear you regurgitate what they told you.

Here are the facts. There is only enough for one invite per club at these team showcases. And Jesters beat 91 Orange with little difficulty at Laxfest.

Not sure if I am being logical here but... Who is going to fl$ 3D? Is that the first "recruiting" tournament for the season.

Maybe if we knew who was going (and an organization can only bring one team) people can decide what other organizations to tryout for. If teams like Extreme are going and Orange cant because that would be two teams. Maybe those Orange folks can head somewhere (different organization) so they can be seen.?

But I cant see that being a secret up till now; you would thought you'd seen mass exodus from many teams/organizations. To get your kid seen. I am not sure what to believe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong Wrong orange and extreme A tourn last year, 2nd team orange beat all A teams except express and if the third team is good enough to play in A tournaments so be it this year? lot of talent at the tryout

Ohh your right 2018 Orange was at Platinum Cup and fl$ in 3D. Not!!! How many of the same tournaments did they play in together? Other than fl$ Long Island and Laxfest. I have a bridge to sell you, cheap. Keep lining their pockets based on what they are telling you.

Please give me facts as to how I am wrong. Would be more than happy to hear you regurgitate what they told you.

Here are the facts. There is only enough for one invite per club at these team showcases. And Jesters beat 91 Orange with little difficulty at Laxfest.

Further, which team at 91 will get the Club sponsored invites to FPS, Legacy, Showtime and Jake Reed? I assure you, not the kids on Orange. The Extreme parents would go absolutely bonkers if that happened. Not saying some Orange kids wont get into those showcases on their own, but you're not getting a club invite in front of an Extreme player. If you don't know what I'm talking about or disagree? Then you're just uninformed. This is why you go to another Clubs real "A" team. It"s no longer matters about wins and loses at the Beach Bingo Lax Blast....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong Wrong orange and extreme A tourn last year, 2nd team orange beat all A teams except express and if the third team is good enough to play in A tournaments so be it this year? lot of talent at the tryout

Ohh your right 2018 Orange was at Platinum Cup and fl$ in 3D. Not!!! How many of the same tournaments did they play in together? Other than fl$ Long Island and Laxfest. I have a bridge to sell you, cheap. Keep lining their pockets based on what they are telling you.

Please give me facts as to how I am wrong. Would be more than happy to hear you regurgitate what they told you.

Here are the facts. There is only enough for one invite per club at these team showcases. And Jesters beat 91 Orange with little difficulty at Laxfest.

You said the same thing as I did. Waiting from for a reply from Mr. Wrong Wrong.

IMHO there will only be a handful of 2018's verbaled to D1 lacrosse one year from now so if you are not one of the top 10 - 15 kids on Long Island I don't think you should be worrying about what tournaments and showcases your kid is going to this fall and summer, you should find the best team for him with the best coaches and the best players to practice against and get better. plenty of time to spend your money the following summer. but you have to be realistic, if he could not make Extreme or Terps chances are he will not be an early commit, I am not saying he will not be a D1 player just not an early commit as most of the Terps and Extreme will not be early commits either. Just find the best fit. being on an "A" team in a different organization just to go to the top recruiting events and doing poorly as a team or as an individual is worse then never going at all. work hard, study hard, have fun and it will work out for all these boys. good luck to all the boys

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps dad here. I think that 91 team (not extreme) is a true A team and can play with everyone and hold their own even if they are the second team in that 91 organization.

Further, terps are sending individual players to the philly fresh showcase but not attendign team day. Instead we are headed to MD to play crabs and those MD team in some small invitational event...

If your kid is on that second team, IMO you are doing ok and will get noticed at various other events. colleges go to more that just the top three in my experience.

Quint Kessenich here, any good player will get noticed. Its just a bit easier when on a teams true A team. The Showcase events the A team plays in is always better than the B team. A program will always promote their A team players more than their B team. Soon 91 will be calling their teams AAA, AA, and A. The amazing thing is parents will believe it. I am not QK just for the record. I need to state this for all the bridge buyers and kool aide drinkers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

IMHO there will only be a handful of 2018's verbaled to D1 lacrosse one year from now so if you are not one of the top 10 - 15 kids on Long Island I don't think you should be worrying about what tournaments and showcases your kid is going to this fall and summer, you should find the best team for him with the best coaches and the best players to practice against and get better. plenty of time to spend your money the following summer. but you have to be realistic, if he could not make Extreme or Terps chances are he will not be an early commit, I am not saying he will not be a D1 player just not an early commit as most of the Terps and Extreme will not be early commits either. Just find the best fit. being on an "A" team in a different organization just to go to the top recruiting events and doing poorly as a team or as an individual is worse then never going at all. work hard, study hard, have fun and it will work out for all these boys. good luck to all the boys

well said

Originally Posted by Anonymous

IMHO there will only be a handful of 2018's verbaled to D1 lacrosse one year from now so if you are not one of the top 10 - 15 kids on Long Island I don't think you should be worrying about what tournaments and showcases your kid is going to this fall and summer, you should find the best team for him with the best coaches and the best players to practice against and get better. plenty of time to spend your money the following summer. but you have to be realistic, if he could not make Extreme or Terps chances are he will not be an early commit, I am not saying he will not be a D1 player just not an early commit as most of the Terps and Extreme will not be early commits either. Just find the best fit. being on an "A" team in a different organization just to go to the top recruiting events and doing poorly as a team or as an individual is worse then never going at all. work hard, study hard, have fun and it will work out for all these boys. good luck to all the boys

Crazy ,a kid just committed to Maryland getting a descent scholarship I hear and has never played varsity lacrosse .Kid is not very fast,nor very athletic, is a good solid player for his age but seems crazy that is the case.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

IMHO there will only be a handful of 2018's verbaled to D1 lacrosse one year from now so if you are not one of the top 10 - 15 kids on Long Island I don't think you should be worrying about what tournaments and showcases your kid is going to this fall and summer, you should find the best team for him with the best coaches and the best players to practice against and get better. plenty of time to spend your money the following summer. but you have to be realistic, if he could not make Extreme or Terps chances are he will not be an early commit, I am not saying he will not be a D1 player just not an early commit as most of the Terps and Extreme will not be early commits either. Just find the best fit. being on an "A" team in a different organization just to go to the top recruiting events and doing poorly as a team or as an individual is worse then never going at all. work hard, study hard, have fun and it will work out for all these boys. good luck to all the boys

well said

great dose of reality. Go to any of the other lax sites to see 2015's still just committing to D-1 schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

IMHO there will only be a handful of 2018's verbaled to D1 lacrosse one year from now so if you are not one of the top 10 - 15 kids on Long Island I don't think you should be worrying about what tournaments and showcases your kid is going to this fall and summer, you should find the best team for him with the best coaches and the best players to practice against and get better. plenty of time to spend your money the following summer. but you have to be realistic, if he could not make Extreme or Terps chances are he will not be an early commit, I am not saying he will not be a D1 player just not an early commit as most of the Terps and Extreme will not be early commits either. Just find the best fit. being on an "A" team in a different organization just to go to the top recruiting events and doing poorly as a team or as an individual is worse then never going at all. work hard, study hard, have fun and it will work out for all these boys. good luck to all the boys

well said

great dose of reality. Go to any of the other lax sites to see 2015's still just committing to D-1 schools.

With all due respect, which schools? The whole idea of doing this lax thing is to get into a better school. Many, many D3 schools are far better academically and provide a great education and lax experience. Along with a wheel barrow full of academic and Merit money. Which, by the way, is not contingent on athletics. Everyone needs to settle down with this "D1" garbage. Yeah, awesome $4,000 scholarship and zero the next year. Perfect, but Daddy can still say jr went D1...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

IMHO there will only be a handful of 2018's verbaled to D1 lacrosse one year from now so if you are not one of the top 10 - 15 kids on Long Island I don't think you should be worrying about what tournaments and showcases your kid is going to this fall and summer, you should find the best team for him with the best coaches and the best players to practice against and get better. plenty of time to spend your money the following summer. but you have to be realistic, if he could not make Extreme or Terps chances are he will not be an early commit, I am not saying he will not be a D1 player just not an early commit as most of the Terps and Extreme will not be early commits either. Just find the best fit. being on an "A" team in a different organization just to go to the top recruiting events and doing poorly as a team or as an individual is worse then never going at all. work hard, study hard, have fun and it will work out for all these boys. good luck to all the boys

I wish I could agree, but a year from now there will likely be over 150 announced 2018 commis (2017s have that many now). Schools like UVA,UNC,MD,JHU will likely be full. These are announced commits. Other schools [lacrosse] Duke, Ivies may wait to announce, but dont think for a second that they will not have their 2018 lists well vetted by this time next year. This fall and next summer are VERY important on the recruiting timeline. Lower tier D1 programs have a later timeline.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

IMHO there will only be a handful of 2018's verbaled to D1 lacrosse one year from now so if you are not one of the top 10 - 15 kids on Long Island I don't think you should be worrying about what tournaments and showcases your kid is going to this fall and summer, you should find the best team for him with the best coaches and the best players to practice against and get better. plenty of time to spend your money the following summer. but you have to be realistic, if he could not make Extreme or Terps chances are he will not be an early commit, I am not saying he will not be a D1 player just not an early commit as most of the Terps and Extreme will not be early commits either. Just find the best fit. being on an "A" team in a different organization just to go to the top recruiting events and doing poorly as a team or as an individual is worse then never going at all. work hard, study hard, have fun and it will work out for all these boys. good luck to all the boys

I wish I could agree, but a year from now there will likely be over 150 announced 2018 commis (2017s have that many now). Schools like UVA,UNC,MD,JHU will likely be full. These are announced commits. Other schools [lacrosse] Duke, Ivies may wait to announce, but dont think for a second that they will not have their 2018 lists well vetted by this time next year. This fall and next summer are VERY important on the recruiting timeline. Lower tier D1 programs have a later timeline.

you are missing the original posters point - if your kid is not able to make Terps or Xtreme this year do you really think they are going to be one of the top 150 recruits in the country to be able to verbally commit in the next 12 months? I realize the tryouts are not perfect but really, do you think a kid that got cut by Xtreme aor Terps is signing with UVA,UNC,MD or JHU? could the evaluators be that off? The Ivy's and the Patriots will have spots next year at this time. Lacrosse is the first step then the grades.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong Wrong orange and extreme A tourn last year, 2nd team orange beat all A teams except express and if the third team is good enough to play in A tournaments so be it this year? lot of talent at the tryout

Ohh your right 2018 Orange was at Platinum Cup and fl$ in 3D. Not!!! How many of the same tournaments did they play in together? Other than fl$ Long Island and Laxfest. I have a bridge to sell you, cheap. Keep lining their pockets based on what they are telling you.

Please give me facts as to how I am wrong. Would be more than happy to hear you regurgitate what they told you.

Here are the facts. There is only enough for one invite per club at these team showcases. And Jesters beat 91 Orange with little difficulty at Laxfest.

With little difficulty? I'm shocked!! The Jesters must be a good team. Was this the first time the Jesters played 91 Orange or B team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

IMHO there will only be a handful of 2018's verbaled to D1 lacrosse one year from now so if you are not one of the top 10 - 15 kids on Long Island I don't think you should be worrying about what tournaments and showcases your kid is going to this fall and summer, you should find the best team for him with the best coaches and the best players to practice against and get better. plenty of time to spend your money the following summer. but you have to be realistic, if he could not make Extreme or Terps chances are he will not be an early commit, I am not saying he will not be a D1 player just not an early commit as most of the Terps and Extreme will not be early commits either. Just find the best fit. being on an "A" team in a different organization just to go to the top recruiting events and doing poorly as a team or as an individual is worse then never going at all. work hard, study hard, have fun and it will work out for all these boys. good luck to all the boys

I wish I could agree, but a year from now there will likely be over 150 announced 2018 commis (2017s have that many now). Schools like UVA,UNC,MD,JHU will likely be full. These are announced commits. Other schools [lacrosse] Duke, Ivies may wait to announce, but dont think for a second that they will not have their 2018 lists well vetted by this time next year. This fall and next summer are VERY important on the recruiting timeline. Lower tier D1 programs have a later timeline.

you are missing the original posters point - if your kid is not able to make Terps or Xtreme this year do you really think they are going to be one of the top 150 recruits in the country to be able to verbally commit in the next 12 months? I realize the tryouts are not perfect but really, do you think a kid that got cut by Xtreme aor Terps is signing with UVA,UNC,MD or JHU? could the evaluators be that off? The Ivy's and the Patriots will have spots next year at this time. Lacrosse is the first step then the grades.

I agree about Ivy and Patriots having spots next year, they have to wait unless they love the player than they go early with him.

So you are saying that everyone on extreme is better than everyone else on every other team? Think about how stupid that statement is. Can you make a team of all lefty`s or all fogos.
To make a good team you have to pass up good players. Not to mention politics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong Wrong orange and extreme A tourn last year, 2nd team orange beat all A teams except express and if the third team is good enough to play in A tournaments so be it this year? lot of talent at the tryout

Ohh your right 2018 Orange was at Platinum Cup and fl$ in 3D. Not!!! How many of the same tournaments did they play in together? Other than fl$ Long Island and Laxfest. I have a bridge to sell you, cheap. Keep lining their pockets based on what they are telling you.

Please give me facts as to how I am wrong. Would be more than happy to hear you regurgitate what they told you.

Here are the facts. There is only enough for one invite per club at these team showcases. And Jesters beat 91 Orange with little difficulty at Laxfest.

With little difficulty? I'm shocked!! The Jesters must be a good team. Was this the first time the Jesters played 91 Orange or B team?

6 3 Orange is far from a B team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you are missing the original posters point - if your kid is not able to make Terps or Xtreme this year do you really think they are going to be one of the top 150 recruits in the country to be able to verbally commit in the next 12 months? I realize the tryouts are not perfect but really, do you think a kid that got cut by Xtreme aor Terps is signing with UVA,UNC,MD or JHU? could the evaluators be that off? The Ivy's and the Patriots will have spots next year at this time. Lacrosse is the first step then the grades.

I wish I was missing his point, but I don't think I am. I think the 150 number is a low ball since that includes only those who will be publicly announced by this time next year (I actually think using 2017 as a bench mark and considering the acceleration each year 200 public commits for September next year is reasonable to expect). Next you have to add in the non public (such as much of the Ivy schools) and the number grows. I think that by this time next year 75%-90% of spots at the Top lacrosse conference schools are locked up (ACC, Ivy, B1G, Patriot). Lower tier lacrosse schools (please don't take as bad) such as AE, NEC, MAC, SOCON. Will have a lot of spots still open. I think many parents would concur that their son can gain admission to an AE (SUNY) type school without athletic help, but probably needs athletic support to make an Ivy or JHU or UVA. This is unfortunately why I think that where your son plays during his freshman year is very important.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

IMHO there will only be a handful of 2018's verbaled to D1 lacrosse one year from now so if you are not one of the top 10 - 15 kids on Long Island I don't think you should be worrying about what tournaments and showcases your kid is going to this fall and summer, you should find the best team for him with the best coaches and the best players to practice against and get better. plenty of time to spend your money the following summer. but you have to be realistic, if he could not make Extreme or Terps chances are he will not be an early commit, I am not saying he will not be a D1 player just not an early commit as most of the Terps and Extreme will not be early commits either. Just find the best fit. being on an "A" team in a different organization just to go to the top recruiting events and doing poorly as a team or as an individual is worse then never going at all. work hard, study hard, have fun and it will work out for all these boys. good luck to all the boys

I wish I could agree, but a year from now there will likely be over 150 announced 2018 commis (2017s have that many now). Schools like UVA,UNC,MD,JHU will likely be full. These are announced commits. Other schools [lacrosse] Duke, Ivies may wait to announce, but dont think for a second that they will not have their 2018 lists well vetted by this time next year. This fall and next summer are VERY important on the recruiting timeline. Lower tier D1 programs have a later timeline.

you are missing the original posters point - if your kid is not able to make Terps or Xtreme this year do you really think they are going to be one of the top 150 recruits in the country to be able to verbally commit in the next 12 months? I realize the tryouts are not perfect but really, do you think a kid that got cut by Xtreme aor Terps is signing with UVA,UNC,MD or JHU? could the evaluators be that off? The Ivy's and the Patriots will have spots next year at this time. Lacrosse is the first step then the grades.

I have ques. for you whom posted this about "Lacrosse is the first step....", are you saying that UVA, JHU, UNC & UMD are awesome schools and lacrosse will get the kid IN, than you will get a GREAT education??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

IMHO there will only be a handful of 2018's verbaled to D1 lacrosse one year from now so if you are not one of the top 10 - 15 kids on Long Island I don't think you should be worrying about what tournaments and showcases your kid is going to this fall and summer, you should find the best team for him with the best coaches and the best players to practice against and get better. plenty of time to spend your money the following summer. but you have to be realistic, if he could not make Extreme or Terps chances are he will not be an early commit, I am not saying he will not be a D1 player just not an early commit as most of the Terps and Extreme will not be early commits either. Just find the best fit. being on an "A" team in a different organization just to go to the top recruiting events and doing poorly as a team or as an individual is worse then never going at all. work hard, study hard, have fun and it will work out for all these boys. good luck to all the boys

I wish I could agree, but a year from now there will likely be over 150 announced 2018 commis (2017s have that many now). Schools like UVA,UNC,MD,JHU will likely be full. These are announced commits. Other schools [lacrosse] Duke, Ivies may wait to announce, but dont think for a second that they will not have their 2018 lists well vetted by this time next year. This fall and next summer are VERY important on the recruiting timeline. Lower tier D1 programs have a later timeline.

you are missing the original posters point - if your kid is not able to make Terps or Xtreme this year do you really think they are going to be one of the top 150 recruits in the country to be able to verbally commit in the next 12 months? I realize the tryouts are not perfect but really, do you think a kid that got cut by Xtreme aor Terps is signing with UVA,UNC,MD or JHU? could the evaluators be that off? The Ivy's and the Patriots will have spots next year at this time. Lacrosse is the first step then the grades.

I know this might be impossible for you and the other poster to comprehend, but there are players who are very talented who choose not to even tryout for Terps or Extreme. Perhaps they want nothing to do with condescending parents like yourself who think: If my kid isn't generating any interest and we're on Terps or Extreme, then no one on any other team is either. Let me be the first to tell you, other kids who aren't on one of those teams, and haven't tried out for one those teams have already generated Big 10 and ACC interest. Just because your kid is on one of those teams, don't think he's better than everyone else. Take it down a notch, the Coaches don't see it that way, sorry.

Orange beat jesters 4 other times prior to playing lax feast !get a like ! Say things how they were , please listen to quint !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

IMHO there will only be a handful of 2018's verbaled to D1 lacrosse one year from now so if you are not one of the top 10 - 15 kids on Long Island I don't think you should be worrying about what tournaments and showcases your kid is going to this fall and summer, you should find the best team for him with the best coaches and the best players to practice against and get better. plenty of time to spend your money the following summer. but you have to be realistic, if he could not make Extreme or Terps chances are he will not be an early commit, I am not saying he will not be a D1 player just not an early commit as most of the Terps and Extreme will not be early commits either. Just find the best fit. being on an "A" team in a different organization just to go to the top recruiting events and doing poorly as a team or as an individual is worse then never going at all. work hard, study hard, have fun and it will work out for all these boys. good luck to all the boys

I wish I could agree, but a year from now there will likely be over 150 announced 2018 commis (2017s have that many now). Schools like UVA,UNC,MD,JHU will likely be full. These are announced commits. Other schools [lacrosse] Duke, Ivies may wait to announce, but dont think for a second that they will not have their 2018 lists well vetted by this time next year. This fall and next summer are VERY important on the recruiting timeline. Lower tier D1 programs have a later timeline.

you are missing the original posters point - if your kid is not able to make Terps or Xtreme this year do you really think they are going to be one of the top 150 recruits in the country to be able to verbally commit in the next 12 months? I realize the tryouts are not perfect but really, do you think a kid that got cut by Xtreme aor Terps is signing with UVA,UNC,MD or JHU? could the evaluators be that off? The Ivy's and the Patriots will have spots next year at this time. Lacrosse is the first step then the grades.

I know this might be impossible for you and the other poster to comprehend, but there are players who are very talented who choose not to even tryout for Terps or Extreme. Perhaps they want nothing to do with condescending parents like yourself who think: If my kid isn't generating any interest and we're on Terps or Extreme, then no one on any other team is either. Let me be the first to tell you, other kids who aren't on one of those teams, and haven't tried out for one those teams have already generated Big 10 and ACC interest. Just because your kid is on one of those teams, don't think he's better than everyone else. Take it down a notch, the Coaches don't see it that way, sorry.

this conversation started when someone asked if they should accept a spot on the "B" team after getting cut from the "A" team and how would that effect recruiting. all I was saying that if you got CUT from the "A" team he was probably has plenty of time to improve his game and be seen next year and not go crazy about this fall. plenty of great players do not tryout for either of those teams. this was in response to a kid that did tryout and didn't make it. I also think that less then half of the terps and xtreme will be signed by this time next year, my son is one of those kids on one of those teams and absolutely will not be committed one year from today

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Orange beat jesters 4 other times prior to playing lax feast !get a like ! Say things how they were , please listen to quint !

Maybe, just maybe, Jesters played like your team always played. You know, your coaches never taking your best players off the field in meaningless OBLL games?? Jesters coaches, to their credit, were extremely fair in rotating players in games leading up to Laxfest, they didn't care if Orange won meaningless games. If you noticed, every time Jesters played Orange it was a 3 or 4 goal plus lead at the half. Somehow Orange always came back??? Why do you think that was? Then all of a sudden at Laxfest Jesters win by 3 or 4 goals and it was never close? A fluke, I don't think so, coaches just played it like your coaches, best 12 or 13 kids barely left the field. Btw we were missing our starting right attack, due to injury as well. A middie filled in and did a great job.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

IMHO there will only be a handful of 2018's verbaled to D1 lacrosse one year from now so if you are not one of the top 10 - 15 kids on Long Island I don't think you should be worrying about what tournaments and showcases your kid is going to this fall and summer, you should find the best team for him with the best coaches and the best players to practice against and get better. plenty of time to spend your money the following summer. but you have to be realistic, if he could not make Extreme or Terps chances are he will not be an early commit, I am not saying he will not be a D1 player just not an early commit as most of the Terps and Extreme will not be early commits either. Just find the best fit. being on an "A" team in a different organization just to go to the top recruiting events and doing poorly as a team or as an individual is worse then never going at all. work hard, study hard, have fun and it will work out for all these boys. good luck to all the boys

I wish I could agree, but a year from now there will likely be over 150 announced 2018 commis (2017s have that many now). Schools like UVA,UNC,MD,JHU will likely be full. These are announced commits. Other schools [lacrosse] Duke, Ivies may wait to announce, but dont think for a second that they will not have their 2018 lists well vetted by this time next year. This fall and next summer are VERY important on the recruiting timeline. Lower tier D1 programs have a later timeline.

you are missing the original posters point - if your kid is not able to make Terps or Xtreme this year do you really think they are going to be one of the top 150 recruits in the country to be able to verbally commit in the next 12 months? I realize the tryouts are not perfect but really, do you think a kid that got cut by Xtreme aor Terps is signing with UVA,UNC,MD or JHU? could the evaluators be that off? The Ivy's and the Patriots will have spots next year at this time. Lacrosse is the first step then the grades.

I know this might be impossible for you and the other poster to comprehend, but there are players who are very talented who choose not to even tryout for Terps or Extreme. Perhaps they want nothing to do with condescending parents like yourself who think: If my kid isn't generating any interest and we're on Terps or Extreme, then no one on any other team is either. Let me be the first to tell you, other kids who aren't on one of those teams, and haven't tried out for one those teams have already generated Big 10 and ACC interest. Just because your kid is on one of those teams, don't think he's better than everyone else. Take it down a notch, the Coaches don't see it that way, sorry.

this conversation started when someone asked if they should accept a spot on the "B" team after getting cut from the "A" team and how would that effect recruiting. all I was saying that if you got CUT from the "A" team he was probably has plenty of time to improve his game and be seen next year and not go crazy about this fall. plenty of great players do not tryout for either of those teams. this was in response to a kid that did tryout and didn't make it. I also think that less then half of the terps and xtreme will be signed by this time next year, my son is one of those kids on one of those teams and absolutely will not be committed one year from today

Glad you clarified, it seemed like you were inferring something totally different, my mistake. Good luck to your son, and all the 2018 boys.

2018 commit list is now at six - mid September of Freshman year

91 results out. 28 players on Orange. Good luck with that.

91 2018 team selections posted

can some one post to 2019 what and when we should expect things to happen.

Who we should hear from or how we get our sons to attend the top Evaluations.

I hear about 3d, I hear about going to Florida, I hear about Jake Reed.

How do we start this process and who is out there to talk to. My son is on a top tier team and a focus player. I just want BOTC outline for this new landscape many of the 2019 parents and families will be entering

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can some one post to 2019 what and when we should expect things to happen.

Who we should hear from or how we get our sons to attend the top Evaluations.

I hear about 3d, I hear about going to Florida, I hear about Jake Reed.

How do we start this process and who is out there to talk to. My son is on a top tier team and a focus player. I just want BOTC outline for this new landscape many of the 2019 parents and families will be entering

Don't waste your time and money going to Florida to qualify for Jake Reed. There are many better alternatives. If your son is a good player he will have opportunity to be evaluated through club play and prospect camps. Your club should be offering some showcase tournaments this coming summer. School will start to play a bigger roll too as you become a rising freshman. By the end of next summer Make sure you have advocates ( school coach, club coach) that can help get you in the individual Philly and maverick showcases. That,s what I see in my rear view mirror.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 2018 team selections posted

hard to know if there was movement from extreme and orange with their # system

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can some one post to 2019 what and when we should expect things to happen.

Who we should hear from or how we get our sons to attend the top Evaluations.

I hear about 3d, I hear about going to Florida, I hear about Jake Reed.

How do we start this process and who is out there to talk to. My son is on a top tier team and a focus player. I just want BOTC outline for this new landscape many of the 2019 parents and families will be entering

Good advice in other response to your quesiton above. Showcases that matter: Philly Freshman Showcase - Fall of Freshman year, Maverik Showtime (best by far) in summer after freshman year, Adrenaline Black Card. Would punt on 3D Blue Chip (in winter to get to Jake Reed) and take your chances on a direct invite your son;s freshman year. JR is no longer what it once was. Would only go to prospect days where college coach spoke to your son's club coach or H.S. coach and told them they want your son there and is a school you/your son may be inertested in. Lastly, like the advice in another response, play for the best club team possible who goes to the best tournaments and have advocates who support your son. The best advice I have received is that there is only so much you can do to help support your child, ultimately it is up to them and how they play assuming they are at the better venues. Relax and enjoy, if your kid is good enough they will get noticed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can some one post to 2019 what and when we should expect things to happen.

Who we should hear from or how we get our sons to attend the top Evaluations.

I hear about 3d, I hear about going to Florida, I hear about Jake Reed.

How do we start this process and who is out there to talk to. My son is on a top tier team and a focus player. I just want BOTC outline for this new landscape many of the 2019 parents and families will be entering

Don't waste your time and money going to Florida to qualify for Jake Reed. There are many better alternatives. If your son is a good player he will have opportunity to be evaluated through club play and prospect camps. Your club should be offering some showcase tournaments this coming summer. School will start to play a bigger roll too as you become a rising freshman. By the end of next summer Make sure you have advocates ( school coach, club coach) that can help get you in the individual Philly and maverick showcases. That,s what I see in my rear view mirror.

Thank you.

I am sure there may be a few more questions

Here is a BIG bit of advice, and it will sound crazy to some.

Go visit some colleges, maybe not the school you or your son is dying to play lacrosse at, but a variety of schools. Large, small, rural, urban, older newer, maybe a service academy. Talk to some players Your son might get an offer out of the blue and will want to move somewhat quickly. Getting your son to be familiar with the concept of a good academic and social fit is important. It really isn't all about lacrosse.

So what do people think about reclassified players and some that say they are reclassifying at a latter date so they can take a players spot. Example a player born in 1999 and in 10th grade says he's going to repeat Senior year so his grad year is now 2018 not 2017. This player now goes out for 2018 grade year teams and takes spot of player in that grade. This player has yet to reclassify. Is this fair and should it be allowed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what do people think about reclassified players and some that say they are reclassifying at a latter date so they can take a players spot. Example a player born in 1999 and in 10th grade says he's going to repeat Senior year so his grad year is now 2018 not 2017. This player now goes out for 2018 grade year teams and takes spot of player in that grade. This player has yet to reclassify. Is this fair and should it be allowed.

Who cares. It has been going on since fire and the wheel was invented. Do you really want to hear people whine. Apparently it works and advantages a player to fulfill his/her goal/dream of playing on a D1 team. So nothing that will change that and we shouldn't judge. And no I don't have a hold back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what do people think about reclassified players and some that say they are reclassifying at a latter date so they can take a players spot. Example a player born in 1999 and in 10th grade says he's going to repeat Senior year so his grad year is now 2018 not 2017. This player now goes out for 2018 grade year teams and takes spot of player in that grade. This player has yet to reclassify. Is this fair and should it be allowed.

Who cares. It has been going on since fire and the wheel was invented. Do you really want to hear people whine. Apparently it works and advantages a player to fulfill his/her goal/dream of playing on a D1 team. So nothing that will change that and we shouldn't judge. And no I don't have a hold back.

What if the kid is still in 10th grade and plays on a 9th grade team. Didn't repeat 9th but planning on repeating 12th which he hasn't even reached yet. Rules people isnt this a violation.

First of all no player is reclassifying senior year, its either going to happen 8th into 9th or 9th into 10th. Also once the boys play Varsity lacrosse it doesn't matter what age you are, 8th-12th 13-19 year old will be on the field together so either get better, get bigger or go home, stop crying, my son is the youngest in his grade, he just has to work harder, that's it, can't go and complain. Man up already or play PAL!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what do people think about reclassified players and some that say they are reclassifying at a latter date so they can take a players spot. Example a player born in 1999 and in 10th grade says he's going to repeat Senior year so his grad year is now 2018 not 2017. This player now goes out for 2018 grade year teams and takes spot of player in that grade. This player has yet to reclassify. Is this fair and should it be allowed.

Who cares. It has been going on since fire and the wheel was invented. Do you really want to hear people whine. Apparently it works and advantages a player to fulfill his/her goal/dream of playing on a D1 team. So nothing that will change that and we shouldn't judge. And no I don't have a hold back.

What if the kid is still in 10th grade and plays on a 9th grade team. Didn't repeat 9th but planning on repeating 12th which he hasn't even reached yet. Rules people isnt this a violation.

the only rule is that there are no rules

I lived it when my son was asked to do a pg yr while he was being recruited the summer of his jr yr. he was offered a spot in the year younger class. This was his dream school and honestly was thrilled to accept coaches offer. His options were limited and wasn't interested in repeating a Hs year at that point. So he accepted the spot and the next summer, rising sr, he played with the grade he would be playing with after he pgs. He's young for his grade and taking the extra year can only prepare him for for the rigorous schedule of a D1 student athlete. This is one persons experience and we are not interested in anyone's opinion. Just thought we would share.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I lived it when my son was asked to do a pg yr while he was being recruited the summer of his jr yr. he was offered a spot in the year younger class. This was his dream school and honestly was thrilled to accept coaches offer. His options were limited and wasn't interested in repeating a Hs year at that point. So he accepted the spot and the next summer, rising sr, he played with the grade he would be playing with after he pgs. He's young for his grade and taking the extra year can only prepare him for for the rigorous schedule of a D1 student athlete. This is one persons experience and we are not interested in anyone's opinion. Just thought we would share.

So it's perfectly legal? Your actually enrolled in 10th grade and playing in 9th grade.

What a skill - typing while pumping your chest like an ape. I�m impressed! The only thing that�s apparent from your diatribe is that you�re confusing local thinking with national thinking. It may interest you to know that reclassifying or whatever you want to call it, has nothing to do with hs varsity lacrosse. It�s all about the class you will be entering college. So a player could be the big star on his hs team but still play on his �future college entrance year� travel team. Why bother, you may ask, since he�s pging? Plus, that wouldn�t be fair you say. News flash, no one gives a rats [lacrosse] about what�s fair or what you think. It�s all about national rankings, higher exposure, elite showcase invitationals. perhaps getting the eye of a better college coach (hopefully you do know it�s about getting into a better school and not $$). You can whine all you want but the landscape of college lacrosse recruiting has changed forever. If you�re still confused, at least have an open mind. Speak to people you know with kids who have played D1, who are committed to D1 and who are being recruited by D1. Look at the new rankings that recently came out. Check the birth dates. Research D1 rosters, some have birth dates listed. I�m just saying before you bash the �new� system, educate yourself. It may be too late for your kid if he�s still counting on hs varsity lax exposure but just maybe someone will read this with an open mind and before running his mouth off will put forth the same effort to educate himself.

To original poster:
Don't flatter yourself when you say "reclassifying at a latter date so they can take a players spot". Most likely the last thing on his mind is your son and his so called spot. Your statement makes me laugh.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What a skill - typing while pumping your chest like an ape. I�m impressed! The only thing that�s apparent from your diatribe is that you�re confusing local thinking with national thinking. It may interest you to know that reclassifying or whatever you want to call it, has nothing to do with hs varsity lacrosse. It�s all about the class you will be entering college. So a player could be the big star on his hs team but still play on his �future college entrance year� travel team. Why bother, you may ask, since he�s pging? Plus, that wouldn�t be fair you say. News flash, no one gives a rats [lacrosse] about what�s fair or what you think. It�s all about national rankings, higher exposure, elite showcase invitationals. perhaps getting the eye of a better college coach (hopefully you do know it�s about getting into a better school and not $$). You can whine all you want but the landscape of college lacrosse recruiting has changed forever. If you�re still confused, at least have an open mind. Speak to people you know with kids who have played D1, who are committed to D1 and who are being recruited by D1. Look at the new rankings that recently came out. Check the birth dates. Research D1 rosters, some have birth dates listed. I�m just saying before you bash the �new� system, educate yourself. It may be too late for your kid if he�s still counting on hs varsity lax exposure but just maybe someone will read this with an open mind and before running his mouth off will put forth the same effort to educate himself.

As what you say is very true doesn't make it right for some people. will most kids stand out if they reclassify, yes! Until it is the norm where it all balances again. Then what? Oh wait that is here the Hold backs in kindergarden to then the reclassify's.

Just because it is done doesn't make it right!!!! Just because it isn't illegal doesn't make it immoral.

We will all live and learn. Fortunate enough to have connections to steer me in a right direction "If that is what I want". I was lectured on doing what was best for my son's future (beyond college) and that is what it is about. I was also told If I did not choose the Reclassify path coaches understand this path is not on everyone's moral compass.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous] What a skill - typing while pumping your chest like an ape. I�m impressed! The only thing that�s apparent from your diatribe is that you�re confusing local thinking with national thinking. It may interest you to know that reclassifying or whatever you want to call it, has nothing to do with hs varsity lacrosse. It�s all about the class you will be entering college. So a player could be the big star on his hs team but still play on his �future college entrance year� travel team. Why bother, you may ask, since he�s pging? Plus, that wouldn�t be fair you say. News flash, no one gives a rats [lacrosse] about what�s fair or what you think. It�s all about national rankings, higher exposure, elite showcase invitationals. perhaps getting the eye of a better college coach (hopefully you do know it�s about getting into a better school and not $$). You can whine all you want but the landscape of college lacrosse recruiting has changed forever. If you�re still confused, at least have an open mind. Speak to people you know with kids who have played D1, who are committed to D1 and who are being recruited by D1. Look at the new rankings that recently came out. Check the birth dates. Research D1 rosters, some have birth dates listed. I�m just saying before you bash the �new� system, educate yourself. It may be too late for your kid if he�s still counting on hs varsity lax exposure but just maybe someone will read this with an open mind and before running his mouth off will put forth the same effort to educate himself.

As what you say is very true doesn't make it right for some people. will most kids stand out if they reclassify, yes! Until it is the norm where it all balances again. Then what? Oh wait that is here the Hold backs in kindergarden to then the reclassify's.

Just because it is done doesn't make it right!!!! Just because it isn't illegal doesn't make it immoral.

We will all live and learn. Fortunate enough to have connections to steer me in a right direction "If that is what I want". I was lectured on doing what was best for my son's future (beyond college) and that is what it is about.

Good advice. I've heard from many DI athletes that they are unhappy and wish they hadn't committed. Make sure it is really what your KID wants and that they know what is involved.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What a skill - typing while pumping your chest like an ape. I�m impressed! The only thing that�s apparent from your diatribe is that you�re confusing local thinking with national thinking. It may interest you to know that reclassifying or whatever you want to call it, has nothing to do with hs varsity lacrosse. It�s all about the class you will be entering college. So a player could be the big star on his hs team but still play on his �future college entrance year� travel team. Why bother, you may ask, since he�s pging? Plus, that wouldn�t be fair you say. News flash, no one gives a rats [lacrosse] about what�s fair or what you think. It�s all about national rankings, higher exposure, elite showcase invitationals. perhaps getting the eye of a better college coach (hopefully you do know it�s about getting into a better school and not $$). You can whine all you want but the landscape of college lacrosse recruiting has changed forever. If you�re still confused, at least have an open mind. Speak to people you know with kids who have played D1, who are committed to D1 and who are being recruited by D1. Look at the new rankings that recently came out. Check the birth dates. Research D1 rosters, some have birth dates listed. I�m just saying before you bash the �new� system, educate yourself. It may be too late for your kid if he�s still counting on hs varsity lax exposure but just maybe someone will read this with an open mind and before running his mouth off will put forth the same effort to educate himself.

Stay off the double shot of espresso latte. Was not pumping my chest. I was actually trying to educate myself by asking a question on a lacrosse board. I understand the reclassification approach and why people do it. Have a few friends who's children have. Their approach was different. This is just the first time I have heard of someone saying they will in the future and playing down. Usually a player repeats a year and even does a Post Graduate year which can and most often results in players getting into better schools. Which I know this is all about. So take a chill pill. Wasn't pointing fingers at anyone and didn't name anyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What a skill - typing while pumping your chest like an ape. I�m impressed! The only thing that�s apparent from your diatribe is that you�re confusing local thinking with national thinking. It may interest you to know that reclassifying or whatever you want to call it, has nothing to do with hs varsity lacrosse. It�s all about the class you will be entering college. So a player could be the big star on his hs team but still play on his �future college entrance year� travel team. Why bother, you may ask, since he�s pging? Plus, that wouldn�t be fair you say. News flash, no one gives a rats [lacrosse] about what�s fair or what you think. It�s all about national rankings, higher exposure, elite showcase invitationals. perhaps getting the eye of a better college coach (hopefully you do know it�s about getting into a better school and not $$). You can whine all you want but the landscape of college lacrosse recruiting has changed forever. If you�re still confused, at least have an open mind. Speak to people you know with kids who have played D1, who are committed to D1 and who are being recruited by D1. Look at the new rankings that recently came out. Check the birth dates. Research D1 rosters, some have birth dates listed. I�m just saying before you bash the �new� system, educate yourself. It may be too late for your kid if he�s still counting on hs varsity lax exposure but just maybe someone will read this with an open mind and before running his mouth off will put forth the same effort to educate himself.

Stay off the double shot of espresso latte. Was not pumping my chest. I was actually trying to educate myself by asking a question on a lacrosse board. I understand the reclassification approach and why people do it. Have a few friends who's children have. Their approach was different. This is just the first time I have heard of someone saying they will in the future and playing down. Usually a player repeats a year and even does a Post Graduate year which can and most often results in players getting into better schools. Which I know this is all about. So take a chill pill. Wasn't pointing fingers at anyone and didn't name anyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What a skill - typing while pumping your chest like an ape. I�m impressed! The only thing that�s apparent from your diatribe is that you�re confusing local thinking with national thinking. It may interest you to know that reclassifying or whatever you want to call it, has nothing to do with hs varsity lacrosse. It�s all about the class you will be entering college. So a player could be the big star on his hs team but still play on his �future college entrance year� travel team. Why bother, you may ask, since he�s pging? Plus, that wouldn�t be fair you say. News flash, no one gives a rats [lacrosse] about what�s fair or what you think. It�s all about national rankings, higher exposure, elite showcase invitationals. perhaps getting the eye of a better college coach (hopefully you do know it�s about getting into a better school and not $$). You can whine all you want but the landscape of college lacrosse recruiting has changed forever. If you�re still confused, at least have an open mind. Speak to people you know with kids who have played D1, who are committed to D1 and who are being recruited by D1. Look at the new rankings that recently came out. Check the birth dates. Research D1 rosters, some have birth dates listed. I�m just saying before you bash the �new� system, educate yourself. It may be too late for your kid if he�s still counting on hs varsity lax exposure but just maybe someone will read this with an open mind and before running his mouth off will put forth the same effort to educate himself.

Stay off the double shot of espresso latte. Was not pumping my chest. I was actually trying to educate myself by asking a question on a lacrosse board. I understand the reclassification approach and why people do it. Have a few friends who's children have. Their approach was different. This is just the first time I have heard of someone saying they will in the future and playing down. Usually a player repeats a year and even does a Post Graduate year which can and most often results in players getting into better schools. Which I know this is all about. So take a chill pill. Wasn't pointing fingers at anyone and didn't name anyone.

Educate yourself from this form? Um, ok, good luck. Lol

to reclass is to be a cheater. It is that simple. You are a cheater and worse yet, you have convinced your kid that it is ok to be a cheater.

he feels foolish at school and the other kids are talking behind his back just so you can tell your friends your boy plays D-1...Yes, super reclass dad, we are all talking about you behind your back too.

You (applies to all that do this reclass thing or argue its merits) are a small little sad person with a small little sad mind. Feel bad for you and your son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Educate yourself from this form? Um, ok, good luck. Lol

I think the it is reasonable to come to this forum for education/feedback. How you use some of the "advice" is up to you.

Please entertain some questions. If your boy Johnny was born in March 2000, what decisions would you make as a parent?

It is the summer of 2005. You need to decide whether to enroll him in Kindergarten. Do you send him? Or keep him home (reclass to 2019)?
-what if he was struggling with Pre-K reading?
-what if he is physically immature?

It is January of 2014. Johnny is a 2nd line middie on a pretty good lax team but hasn�t reached puberty. Do you send him to a private school to repeat 8th grade?
-what if he was also struggling academically?
-what if he was a straight �A� student?
-what if w/o lax his middle school grades looked �Patriot� but with lax his grades were �Ivy�?

In the spring of 2015 he is playing varsity as a freshman and Maryland or Syracuse want to early verbal him. Does he agree?
-what if he was struggling in the classroom?
-what if he has �Ivy� grades and a decent PSAT under his belt already?

In the Summer of 2016 UNC approaches but tells him they are done with 2018s. Does he agree to post grad?

It is April 2018 he just received admission to Columbia to go Pre-Med. Wagner is rounding out their recruiting class and makes him an offer. Does he make a late switch for lacrosse?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Educate yourself from this form? Um, ok, good luck. Lol

I think the it is reasonable to come to this forum for education/feedback. How you use some of the "advice" is up to you.

Please entertain some questions. If your boy Johnny was born in March 2000, what decisions would you make as a parent?

It is the summer of 2005. You need to decide whether to enroll him in Kindergarten. Do you send him? Or keep him home (reclass to 2019)?
-what if he was struggling with Pre-K reading?
-what if he is physically immature?

It is January of 2014. Johnny is a 2nd line middie on a pretty good lax team but hasn�t reached puberty. Do you send him to a private school to repeat 8th grade?
-what if he was also struggling academically?
-what if he was a straight �A� student?
-what if w/o lax his middle school grades looked �Patriot� but with lax his grades were �Ivy�?

In the spring of 2015 he is playing varsity as a freshman and Maryland or Syracuse want to early verbal him. Does he agree?
-what if he was struggling in the classroom?
-what if he has �Ivy� grades and a decent PSAT under his belt already?

In the Summer of 2016 UNC approaches but tells him they are done with 2018s. Does he agree to post grad?

It is April 2018 he just received admission to Columbia to go Pre-Med. Wagner is rounding out their recruiting class and makes him an offer. Does he make a late switch for lacrosse?

Reclass, Repeat 8th grade, then PG. Be the most popular stud freshman on the lax team at Harvard and be able to buy beer for all the girls. Get into med school and become a doctor without the columbia pre med.

Destroy Wagner is a preseason game and LMAO.

I hear that 2018 Terps are not going to Philly Freshman?

Philly showcase is a two day event. Individuals showcase on saturday and team showcase on sunday. several 2018 terps will be there on saturday, but on sunday the team is playing in MD at an invite only team event. crabs and MD crowd that day.

My son just got invite last week- individual how important is it for him to go?(Philly Showcase)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Philly showcase is a two day event. Individuals showcase on saturday and team showcase on sunday. several 2018 terps will be there on saturday, but on sunday the team is playing in MD at an invite only team event. crabs and MD crowd that day.

What is the B team doing that day...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Philly showcase is a two day event. Individuals showcase on saturday and team showcase on sunday. several 2018 terps will be there on saturday, but on sunday the team is playing in MD at an invite only team event. crabs and MD crowd that day.

What is the B team doing that day...

would make sense for the B team to play at Philly Freshman since the Express club was invited, after all, they are practicing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son just got invite last week- individual how important is it for him to go?(Philly Showcase)

It is the premier individual recruiting event for 2018's this fall. It might not be for everybody, and if you are planning on taking your time then you don't need to go but if you feel you child is going to be a D1 recruit and you want to be seen I would go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Educate yourself from this form? Um, ok, good luck. Lol

I think the it is reasonable to come to this forum for education/feedback. How you use some of the "advice" is up to you.

Please entertain some questions. If your boy Johnny was born in March 2000, what decisions would you make as a parent?

It is the summer of 2005. You need to decide whether to enroll him in Kindergarten. Do you send him? Or keep him home (reclass to 2019)?
-what if he was struggling with Pre-K reading?
-what if he is physically immature?

It is January of 2014. Johnny is a 2nd line middie on a pretty good lax team but hasn�t reached puberty. Do you send him to a private school to repeat 8th grade?
-what if he was also struggling academically?
-what if he was a straight �A� student?
-what if w/o lax his middle school grades looked �Patriot� but with lax his grades were �Ivy�?

In the spring of 2015 he is playing varsity as a freshman and Maryland or Syracuse want to early verbal him. Does he agree?
-what if he was struggling in the classroom?
-what if he has �Ivy� grades and a decent PSAT under his belt already?

In the Summer of 2016 UNC approaches but tells him they are done with 2018s. Does he agree to post grad?

It is April 2018 he just received admission to Columbia to go Pre-Med. Wagner is rounding out their recruiting class and makes him an offer. Does he make a late switch for lacrosse?

Reclass, Repeat 8th grade, then PG. Be the most popular stud freshman on the lax team at Harvard and be able to buy beer for all the girls. Get into med school and become a doctor without the columbia pre med.

Destroy Wagner is a preseason game and LMAO.

I see @angrylax mom is posting to this board.

Maybe she is, maybe she isn't but the logic holds true. Reclass, holdback, all the same cheating 101...

Also a terps 2018 parent, and today my kid is a stud. But the truth is he may not be tomorrow. My kid's odd are better, if he performs well in his chances in front of d-1 coaches, great, if not, no d-1 for us.

for those on b or subpar A teams, your chances are far worse. there are only so many spots and college coaches just aren't going to watch the best B kid play agwinst other B players. it is simple math and while it sucks, it is the truth.

Do your family a favor and spend the 5K on tutors, you will be much better off. paying 91 or exrpess for the dream has worse odds than lotto...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Also a terps 2018 parent, and today my kid is a stud. But the truth is he may not be tomorrow. My kid's odd are better, if he performs well in his chances in front of d-1 coaches, great, if not, no d-1 for us.

for those on b or subpar A teams, your chances are far worse. there are only so many spots and college coaches just aren't going to watch the best B kid play agwinst other B players. it is simple math and while it sucks, it is the truth.

Do your family a favor and spend the 5K on tutors, you will be much better off. paying 91 or exrpess for the dream has worse odds than lotto...

really? worse then lotto? snywhere from 50 - 90% going D1 is a little better the lotto

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Also a terps 2018 parent, and today my kid is a stud. But the truth is he may not be tomorrow. My kid's odd are better, if he performs well in his chances in front of d-1 coaches, great, if not, no d-1 for us.

for those on b or subpar A teams, your chances are far worse. there are only so many spots and college coaches just aren't going to watch the best B kid play agwinst other B players. it is simple math and while it sucks, it is the truth.

Do your family a favor and spend the 5K on tutors, you will be much better off. paying 91 or exrpess for the dream has worse odds than lotto...

You're beyond a [lacrosse]...

I have a child who reclassified and I think the repeated references to cheating is way off base. In my child's situation he was an incredibly late bloomer. His peers finished growing before he even started. Trust me, he took his lumps as the "small guy" in middle school sports. Reclassifying gave him an extra year to catch up from a growth perspective. His skills were always advanced for his age and he worked his butt off on the things he could control (lax IQ, fitness, stick skills). If coaches are going to look at kids in 8th grade which advantages the early bloomers, why shouldn't a child reclassify to remove the disadvantage of hitting puberty late? My experience has been that the parents who complain the loudest about reclassifying are the parents of the kids who started shaving in sixth grade. The kids I do feel bad for are the kids who are late bloomers and whose families do not have the flexibility (financial or otherwise) to reclassify them. I think most would agree that the current recruiting timeline leaves a lot to be desired. But I don't think it's fair or helpful to flame a parent or child for doing what benefits them in a flawed system.

I'm sorry but I find what you did to be a disgrace. You held your kid back for purely athletic reasons. What are the social implications your son is now faced with? Is it really worth it for a chance to play college lax? So now he's looked at in school as the kid left back so he can be better in lacrosse than the other kids. Great way to make new friends. I'm sorry but I disagree with all this reclassifying for athletics. Not the greatest lesson taught to children....if you can't make it against your peers---beat younger kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a child who reclassified and I think the repeated references to cheating is way off base. In my child's situation he was an incredibly late bloomer. His peers finished growing before he even started. Trust me, he took his lumps as the "small guy" in middle school sports. Reclassifying gave him an extra year to catch up from a growth perspective. His skills were always advanced for his age and he worked his butt off on the things he could control (lax IQ, fitness, stick skills). If coaches are going to look at kids in 8th grade which advantages the early bloomers, why shouldn't a child reclassify to remove the disadvantage of hitting puberty late? My experience has been that the parents who complain the loudest about reclassifying are the parents of the kids who started shaving in sixth grade. The kids I do feel bad for are the kids who are late bloomers and whose families do not have the flexibility (financial or otherwise) to reclassify them. I think most would agree that the current recruiting timeline leaves a lot to be desired. But I don't think it's fair or helpful to flame a parent or child for doing what benefits them in a flawed system.

I get your frustration, but to then hold your kid back and have him essentially "bully" the younger kids once he did mature is an incredibly selfish act. Our son was always a big kid and matured on time. Instead of having him stay on age for some sick advantage, we always have him play up. JV as 7th grader, Varsity as a 9th grader. Its called doing the right thing or sportsmanship. What you're doing is the right thing for your kid at the "expense" of other kids in sport. That's why parents of the bigger more mature kids have such distain for your actions. We also think, my god if I did that with our kid he might really hurt someone. When your kid grows and he's now bigger than all the littler, younger kids, what then? Going to drop him back? No, because your a scumbag that was looking for a leg up or crutch for your kid. Sad. Here's a little something to chew on. Went to a recent College prospect day, they broke the kids up by AGE, oops there goes your advantage....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a child who reclassified and I think the repeated references to cheating is way off base. In my child's situation he was an incredibly late bloomer. His peers finished growing before he even started. Trust me, he took his lumps as the "small guy" in middle school sports. Reclassifying gave him an extra year to catch up from a growth perspective. His skills were always advanced for his age and he worked his butt off on the things he could control (lax IQ, fitness, stick skills). If coaches are going to look at kids in 8th grade which advantages the early bloomers, why shouldn't a child reclassify to remove the disadvantage of hitting puberty late? My experience has been that the parents who complain the loudest about reclassifying are the parents of the kids who started shaving in sixth grade. The kids I do feel bad for are the kids who are late bloomers and whose families do not have the flexibility (financial or otherwise) to reclassify them. I think most would agree that the current recruiting timeline leaves a lot to be desired. But I don't think it's fair or helpful to flame a parent or child for doing what benefits them in a flawed system.

You're an embarrassment! Intentionally holding you kid back because he's a late bloomer with the hope of getting a few grand towards college is disgusting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Also a terps 2018 parent, and today my kid is a stud. But the truth is he may not be tomorrow. My kid's odd are better, if he performs well in his chances in front of d-1 coaches, great, if not, no d-1 for us.

for those on b or subpar A teams, your chances are far worse. there are only so many spots and college coaches just aren't going to watch the best B kid play agwinst other B players. it is simple math and while it sucks, it is the truth.

Do your family a favor and spend the 5K on tutors, you will be much better off. paying 91 or exrpess for the dream has worse odds than lotto...

You're beyond a [lacrosse]...

Ok, if you want to call me names because it makes you feel better, that is your right. But the truth is the truth and the chances of a kid playing d-1 coming from a B or C team in 9th grade are slim. Sure there will be exceptions and even though you are calling me names, I hope your kid is the exception and he gets that d-1 spot.

For the rest, open your eyes and understand that the odds are very small and the club programs are selling you a dream that will likely not pan out. So, stop complaining about what you don't get on the B or C teams. Clubs are a business and selling you hope but they can't deliver on that hope.

Even on the A teams like terps and extreme, there are plenty of kids that will not make d-1. Most of the kids on those A teams don't get invites to JR, Philly or Maverick, so how in the world will they get in front of a d-1 coach? With early recruiting, the top d-1 schools will have their rosters filled before a kid ever sets foot on a HS field. The coaches aren't watching JV games even at the best school programs and the school programs are not helping your 9th grader get noticed because they are trying to win.

If your kid is not invited JR, Philly or Maverick and is not going to start as a 9th grader on varsity, your best odds are going to prospect days at his school of choice and hopefully performing well in the few hours the coaches are watching.

Please don't spend another summer weekend stuck in traffic on the NJ turnpike heading to some meaningless tournament and please don't come here and complain that the B team pays the same but doesn't get the same. The B and C teams will never get the same treatment because the club owners need to bring the best kids to the best tournaments so they can put another "congratulations to xxx for being recruited to xxx school"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Philly showcase is a two day event. Individuals showcase on saturday and team showcase on sunday. several 2018 terps will be there on saturday, but on sunday the team is playing in MD at an invite only team event. crabs and MD crowd that day.

What is the B team doing that day...

would make sense for the B team to play at Philly Freshman since the Express club was invited, after all, they are practicing.

If you think this is the case, rather than hope someone else also thinks it is the case, pick up the phone and call the coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a child who reclassified and I think the repeated references to cheating is way off base. In my child's situation he was an incredibly late bloomer. His peers finished growing before he even started. Trust me, he took his lumps as the "small guy" in middle school sports. Reclassifying gave him an extra year to catch up from a growth perspective. His skills were always advanced for his age and he worked his butt off on the things he could control (lax IQ, fitness, stick skills). If coaches are going to look at kids in 8th grade which advantages the early bloomers, why shouldn't a child reclassify to remove the disadvantage of hitting puberty late? My experience has been that the parents who complain the loudest about reclassifying are the parents of the kids who started shaving in sixth grade. The kids I do feel bad for are the kids who are late bloomers and whose families do not have the flexibility (financial or otherwise) to reclassify them. I think most would agree that the current recruiting timeline leaves a lot to be desired. But I don't think it's fair or helpful to flame a parent or child for doing what benefits them in a flawed system.

I agree that the system is flawed but I really do think it is poor form and worse judgment to reclass a kid for lax. If you said he was having problems with his grades, I would feel much differently. I get it, my son was also small and didn't grow until well after his friends did, but his grades were perfect. While I love lax and would have loved for him to play d-1, he is happy and content with d-3 at a great school. since there is no meaningful employment in professional lax, I just can't understand your decision.

If there was a four year full scholarship and a chance to make buckets of $ playing professionally as there is in Bball and Fball, I would also understand. But to reclass to play college lax is just crazy...even if you have the money to spend on that extra year of school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Also a terps 2018 parent, and today my kid is a stud. But the truth is he may not be tomorrow. My kid's odd are better, if he performs well in his chances in front of d-1 coaches, great, if not, no d-1 for us.

for those on b or subpar A teams, your chances are far worse. there are only so many spots and college coaches just aren't going to watch the best B kid play agwinst other B players. it is simple math and while it sucks, it is the truth.

Do your family a favor and spend the 5K on tutors, you will be much better off. paying 91 or exrpess for the dream has worse odds than lotto...

Do you realize you sound like an insufferable d-bag? Never mind, I'm sure you don't care even if you do!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Also a terps 2018 parent, and today my kid is a stud. But the truth is he may not be tomorrow. My kid's odd are better, if he performs well in his chances in front of d-1 coaches, great, if not, no d-1 for us.

for those on b or subpar A teams, your chances are far worse. there are only so many spots and college coaches just aren't going to watch the best B kid play agwinst other B players. it is simple math and while it sucks, it is the truth.

Do your family a favor and spend the 5K on tutors, you will be much better off. paying 91 or exrpess for the dream has worse odds than lotto...

Do you realize you sound like an insufferable d-bag? Never mind, I'm sure you don't care even if you do!

Exactly! This is why, despite benefits of playing on one of these teams, I could never stomach having to be with parents like this. As if other kids out here aren't getting high level interest???? He just can't believe his kid is on one of those teams and not one Coach is interested in him. How could it be? Maybe the Coaches got wind of what a mega tool you are... Good lord, give it a rest, "my kids a stud". Who say's that? Certainly not the parent of a REAL top player, most are humble and would do anything to help another player. Stop posting, you're tarnishing a great team, with some nice kids, coached by one of the best teachers in the game!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Also a terps 2018 parent, and today my kid is a stud. But the truth is he may not be tomorrow. My kid's odd are better, if he performs well in his chances in front of d-1 coaches, great, if not, no d-1 for us.

for those on b or subpar A teams, your chances are far worse. there are only so many spots and college coaches just aren't going to watch the best B kid play agwinst other B players. it is simple math and while it sucks, it is the truth.

Do your family a favor and spend the 5K on tutors, you will be much better off. paying 91 or exrpess for the dream has worse odds than lotto...

I would be suspect on if this person is really a Terps parent. I, being a real Terps parent, doubt any of them would write something claiming their stud player today might not be tomorrow.

Someone trying to stir the pot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Also a terps 2018 parent, and today my kid is a stud. But the truth is he may not be tomorrow. My kid's odd are better, if he performs well in his chances in front of d-1 coaches, great, if not, no d-1 for us.

for those on b or subpar A teams, your chances are far worse. there are only so many spots and college coaches just aren't going to watch the best B kid play agwinst other B players. it is simple math and while it sucks, it is the truth.

Do your family a favor and spend the 5K on tutors, you will be much better off. paying 91 or exrpess for the dream has worse odds than lotto...

I would be suspect on if this person is really a Terps parent. I, being a real Terps parent, doubt any of them would write something claiming their stud player today might not be tomorrow.

Someone trying to stir the pot.

I too am a real terp parent and while I think we have a bunch of very good players I do not think any of these 14 year old boys warrant fees for reproduction rights

Anybody who attended the 3d Blue Chip, feeder to Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip, doing it this year. We received the invite yesterday and not sure if we should sign up or not.

whether that person was a terps parent or not, point was valid. You are all spending way too much money chasing a dream that in all likelihood only comes true for a very small percentage of the kids. I am not a terps parent, but I can do simple math.

Like someone has said in prior post, would be much better off spending the money on tutors.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody who attended the 3d Blue Chip, feeder to Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip, doing it this year. We received the invite yesterday and not sure if we should sign up or not.

went last year. good experience if you make it to the next round and get invited to Jake Reed. If you don't it is an expensive trip to Florida but my kid had fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Also a terps 2018 parent, and today my kid is a stud. But the truth is he may not be tomorrow. My kid's odd are better, if he performs well in his chances in front of d-1 coaches, great, if not, no d-1 for us.

for those on b or subpar A teams, your chances are far worse. there are only so many spots and college coaches just aren't going to watch the best B kid play agwinst other B players. it is simple math and while it sucks, it is the truth.

Do your family a favor and spend the 5K on tutors, you will be much better off. paying 91 or exrpess for the dream has worse odds than lotto...

Do you realize you sound like an insufferable d-bag? Never mind, I'm sure you don't care even if you do!

Exactly! This is why, despite benefits of playing on one of these teams, I could never stomach having to be with parents like this. As if other kids out here aren't getting high level interest???? He just can't believe his kid is on one of those teams and not one Coach is interested in him. How could it be? Maybe the Coaches got wind of what a mega tool you are... Good lord, give it a rest, "my kids a stud". Who say's that? Certainly not the parent of a REAL top player, most are humble and would do anything to help another player. Stop posting, you're tarnishing a great team, with some nice kids, coached by one of the best teachers in the game!

Sounds more like your boy isn't one of the better players and you are feeling insecure and need to attack. If your kid is not on one of these teams why do you even care? Mega tool? Please, you sound like a person about to reclass your kid so you can make one of these teams...

Numbers are numbers and the chance of making d-1 from any club is slim, if your playing b and c ball, you are not getting looks and everyone knows it. Does that make you feel bad? Sorry, the truth hurts and the numbers say that for most boys it will not happen. So, mega tool or not, I wish you and your boy the best of luck.

I will be the mega tool with the kid at Philly and showtime and Jake reed...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

whether that person was a terps parent or not, point was valid. You are all spending way too much money chasing a dream that in all likelihood only comes true for a very small percentage of the kids. I am not a terps parent, but I can do simple math.

Like someone has said in prior post, would be much better off spending the money on tutors.

18 D1 2015 commits, 12 D1 2016 commits,16 D1 2017 commits. this is a little better then hitting lotto. would most of these kids have been able to get into these schools without lacrosse? maybe but probably not. Will the college scholarship some of these boys receive offset the time and money invested in summer travel? maybe but probably not.

We of course will never know but I like my kids chances better then the non lacrosse player or non express lacrosse player to get into a better school and pay less then he would have without express. When you have so many kids going to sleep away camp for 2 to 3x's what summer lacrosse costs and I don't see to many Timber Lake early commits.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

whether that person was a terps parent or not, point was valid. You are all spending way too much money chasing a dream that in all likelihood only comes true for a very small percentage of the kids. I am not a terps parent, but I can do simple math.

Like someone has said in prior post, would be much better off spending the money on tutors.

18 D1 2015 commits, 12 D1 2016 commits,16 D1 2017 commits. this is a little better then hitting lotto. would most of these kids have been able to get into these schools without lacrosse? maybe but probably not. Will the college scholarship some of these boys receive offset the time and money invested in summer travel? maybe but probably not.

We of course will never know but I like my kids chances better then the non lacrosse player or non express lacrosse player to get into a better school and pay less then he would have without express. When you have so many kids going to sleep away camp for 2 to 3x's what summer lacrosse costs and I don't see to many Timber Lake early commits.

What do those numbers represent? Express kids? or something else? There are thousands of kids in each age bracket on LI alone playing lax. I agree that it helps get into a better school, but most kids can get in Maryland without lax...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

whether that person was a terps parent or not, point was valid. You are all spending way too much money chasing a dream that in all likelihood only comes true for a very small percentage of the kids. I am not a terps parent, but I can do simple math.

Like someone has said in prior post, would be much better off spending the money on tutors.

18 D1 2015 commits, 12 D1 2016 commits,16 D1 2017 commits. this is a little better then hitting lotto. would most of these kids have been able to get into these schools without lacrosse? maybe but probably not. Will the college scholarship some of these boys receive offset the time and money invested in summer travel? maybe but probably not.

We of course will never know but I like my kids chances better then the non lacrosse player or non express lacrosse player to get into a better school and pay less then he would have without express. When you have so many kids going to sleep away camp for 2 to 3x's what summer lacrosse costs and I don't see to many Timber Lake early commits.

What do those numbers represent? Express kids? or something else? There are thousands of kids in each age bracket on LI alone playing lax. I agree that it helps get into a better school, but most kids can get in Maryland without lax...

2015's on express going DI - Yale, 2 -UPenn, Duke, Princeton, Hopkins, Lafayette, Binghamton, North Carolina -

that is 9 kids going to top schools, I have no idea if any of them could get into those schools without lacrosse but I would guess some couldn't. The point is that lacrosse and the Express are getting kids into top schools at a much better clip then your odds of hitting lotto and better then all the other organizations around, that will change over the next few years with 91 having caught up. but people saying you are crazy spending that kind of money chasing the dream are silly and not well informed. If express can get 18 kids recruited in a class and 9 are going to what most people would consider top schools we are not chasing the dream we are living it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Also a terps 2018 parent, and today my kid is a stud. But the truth is he may not be tomorrow. My kid's odd are better, if he performs well in his chances in front of d-1 coaches, great, if not, no d-1 for us.

for those on b or subpar A teams, your chances are far worse. there are only so many spots and college coaches just aren't going to watch the best B kid play agwinst other B players. it is simple math and while it sucks, it is the truth.

Do your family a favor and spend the 5K on tutors, you will be much better off. paying 91 or exrpess for the dream has worse odds than lotto...

Do you realize you sound like an insufferable d-bag? Never mind, I'm sure you don't care even if you do!

Exactly! This is why, despite benefits of playing on one of these teams, I could never stomach having to be with parents like this. As if other kids out here aren't getting high level interest???? He just can't believe his kid is on one of those teams and not one Coach is interested in him. How could it be? Maybe the Coaches got wind of what a mega tool you are... Good lord, give it a rest, "my kids a stud". Who say's that? Certainly not the parent of a REAL top player, most are humble and would do anything to help another player. Stop posting, you're tarnishing a great team, with some nice kids, coached by one of the best teachers in the game!

Sounds more like your boy isn't one of the better players and you are feeling insecure and need to attack. If your kid is not on one of these teams why do you even care? Mega tool? Please, you sound like a person about to reclass your kid so you can make one of these teams...

Numbers are numbers and the chance of making d-1 from any club is slim, if your playing b and c ball, you are not getting looks and everyone knows it. Does that make you feel bad? Sorry, the truth hurts and the numbers say that for most boys it will not happen. So, mega tool or not, I wish you and your boy the best of luck.

I will be the mega tool with the kid at Philly and showtime and Jake reed... [/quote

Do you really think only kids from terps or 91 get invites to these top showcases? Come on? Unlike your son, others who aren't on your team are generating interest from top schools. Sorry things are not working out for you and your son. BTW, no luck needed, just hard work. I'll let you leave it up to luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Also a terps 2018 parent, and today my kid is a stud. But the truth is he may not be tomorrow. My kid's odd are better, if he performs well in his chances in front of d-1 coaches, great, if not, no d-1 for us.

for those on b or subpar A teams, your chances are far worse. there are only so many spots and college coaches just aren't going to watch the best B kid play agwinst other B players. it is simple math and while it sucks, it is the truth.

Do your family a favor and spend the 5K on tutors, you will be much better off. paying 91 or exrpess for the dream has worse odds than lotto...

Do you realize you sound like an insufferable d-bag? Never mind, I'm sure you don't care even if you do!

Exactly! This is why, despite benefits of playing on one of these teams, I could never stomach having to be with parents like this. As if other kids out here aren't getting high level interest???? He just can't believe his kid is on one of those teams and not one Coach is interested in him. How could it be? Maybe the Coaches got wind of what a mega tool you are... Good lord, give it a rest, "my kids a stud". Who say's that? Certainly not the parent of a REAL top player, most are humble and would do anything to help another player. Stop posting, you're tarnishing a great team, with some nice kids, coached by one of the best teachers in the game!

Sounds more like your boy isn't one of the better players and you are feeling insecure and need to attack. If your kid is not on one of these teams why do you even care? Mega tool? Please, you sound like a person about to reclass your kid so you can make one of these teams...

Numbers are numbers and the chance of making d-1 from any club is slim, if your playing b and c ball, you are not getting looks and everyone knows it. Does that make you feel bad? Sorry, the truth hurts and the numbers say that for most boys it will not happen. So, mega tool or not, I wish you and your boy the best of luck.

I will be the mega tool with the kid at Philly and showtime and Jake reed... [/quote

Do you really think only kids from terps or 91 get invites to these top showcases? Come on? Unlike your son, others who aren't on your team are generating interest from top schools. Sorry things are not working out for you and your son. BTW, no luck needed, just hard work. I'll let you leave it up to luck.

I really hope this is kids bantering back and forth b/c if it is parents, you are both complete tools.

I know a couple of kids not on 91 or terps about to commit and choosing between schools. That said, most of the kids are not going to be playing d-1, whether terp, extreme, or any other club...

for the guy giving up the luck, please pass it along, some of us could use a little...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

whether that person was a terps parent or not, point was valid. You are all spending way too much money chasing a dream that in all likelihood only comes true for a very small percentage of the kids. I am not a terps parent, but I can do simple math.

Like someone has said in prior post, would be much better off spending the money on tutors.

18 D1 2015 commits, 12 D1 2016 commits,16 D1 2017 commits. this is a little better then hitting lotto. would most of these kids have been able to get into these schools without lacrosse? maybe but probably not. Will the college scholarship some of these boys receive offset the time and money invested in summer travel? maybe but probably not.

We of course will never know but I like my kids chances better then the non lacrosse player or non express lacrosse player to get into a better school and pay less then he would have without express. When you have so many kids going to sleep away camp for 2 to 3x's what summer lacrosse costs and I don't see to many Timber Lake early commits.

What do those numbers represent? Express kids? or something else? There are thousands of kids in each age bracket on LI alone playing lax. I agree that it helps get into a better school, but most kids can get in Maryland without lax...

2015's on express going DI - Yale, 2 -UPenn, Duke, Princeton, Hopkins, Lafayette, Binghamton, North Carolina -

that is 9 kids going to top schools, I have no idea if any of them could get into those schools without lacrosse but I would guess some couldn't. The point is that lacrosse and the Express are getting kids into top schools at a much better clip then your odds of hitting lotto and better then all the other organizations around, that will change over the next few years with 91 having caught up. but people saying you are crazy spending that kind of money chasing the dream are silly and not well informed. If express can get 18 kids recruited in a class and 9 are going to what most people would consider top schools we are not chasing the dream we are living it.

Express made the commits happen? Really? No way those kids would have gotten the look without Express?

haters gonna hate - express and express parents getting bashed for drinking the cool aid and wasting our money and then when presented with actual results you question if express had anything to do with it. common give it a rest - lots of ways to get it done and for me and my money express is a path with a proven success record and I am happy to be a part of it.

Bignhamton a TOP school? Really - that a tier school, at best!

Binghamton a TOP school? Really - that's a 2 tier school, at best!

When you say commit you mean a handshake to play there.
How many Scholarships do you think a D-1 team has?
How about 12 which they break in half or quarters .
Those 12 are for freshmen to senior. Commit means they want you to play on the team and they will give you as little as they can. Most of these kids get money for there grades.
Most of the Colleges that were mentioned are $50,000-$60,000
a year, so you get $10,000-$15,000 off still no bargain.
Nothing is Final until it is in writing. Don't get caught
up in the [lacrosse] .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bignhamton a TOP school? Really - that a tier school, at best!

Hate to burst your bubble, but you might need higher grades to get into Binghamton than UNC or Lafayette.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When you say commit you mean a handshake to play there.
How many Scholarships do you think a D-1 team has?
How about 12 which they break in half or quarters .
Those 12 are for freshmen to senior. Commit means they want you to play on the team and they will give you as little as they can. Most of these kids get money for there grades.
Most of the Colleges that were mentioned are $50,000-$60,000
a year, so you get $10,000-$15,000 off still no bargain.
Nothing is Final until it is in writing. Don't get caught
up in the [lacrosse] .

thanks for the clarity, thought that every kid going to UPenn was getting a full ride. this whole conversation has gone from Express is a waste of time and money because they do nothing for you to what ever the kids accomplish is on their own and Express did nothing and deserves no credit to now getting recruited means nothing and worth nothing.

If getting caught up in the [lacrosse] you mean having my kid commit to an Ivy league school as a 10th grader and be able to enjoy three years of high school with that pressure being lifted, sign me up! and if I think Express will help get this for my son better then any other organization sign me up for that as well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bignhamton a TOP school? Really - that a tier school, at best!

Hate to burst your bubble, but you might need higher grades to get into Binghamton than UNC or Lafayette.

You do!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bignhamton a TOP school? Really - that a tier school, at best!

I don't think you would get in with your spelling and grammar !

Why don't we all have the right to spend (or not spend) money on what we want. I am all for speaking your mind, that is your right, but can you just respect my right to spend my money on my child betterment as I see fit? Ps my kid has tutors too. I will do whatever it takes to help my kid succeed. Ps he LOVES playing with his team, it makes him happy and he looks forward to practices and it makes him feel proud and builds his confidence and character. I have my opinion about Express, Channy. Why debate anonymously on a board? Focus on your sons success and happiness.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When you say commit you mean a handshake to play there.
How many Scholarships do you think a D-1 team has?
How about 12 which they break in half or quarters .
Those 12 are for freshmen to senior. Commit means they want you to play on the team and they will give you as little as they can. Most of these kids get money for there grades.
Most of the Colleges that were mentioned are $50,000-$60,000
a year, so you get $10,000-$15,000 off still no bargain.
Nothing is Final until it is in writing. Don't get caught
up in the [lacrosse] .

thanks for the clarity, thought that every kid going to UPenn was getting a full ride. this whole conversation has gone from Express is a waste of time and money because they do nothing for you to what ever the kids accomplish is on their own and Express did nothing and deserves no credit to now getting recruited means nothing and worth nothing.

If getting caught up in the [lacrosse] you mean having my kid commit to an Ivy league school as a 10th grader and be able to enjoy three years of high school with that pressure being lifted, sign me up! and if I think Express will help get this for my son better then any other organization sign me up for that as well

Express might, but don't be so sure. Identify schools of interest, fill out recruiting questionnaires, email coaches, call coaches, put together a highlight tape, attend prospect days. Take the control of the process early. The club may be a big part of that or not at all. If you're unsure of which, then you're on your own.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bignhamton a TOP school? Really - that a tier school, at best!

Hate to burst your bubble, but you might need higher grades to get into Binghamton than UNC or Lafayette.

I am a fan of Binghamton as a great school for sure. But look at acceptance rate, size & grad rate with UNC vs Bing vs LC-

UNC- 27% acceptance rate 29,000 students on campus, 81% grad rate
Bing- 42% acceptance rate 16,000 students on campus, 69% grad rate
Lafayette- 34% acceptance rate 2500 students on campus, 85% grad rate

Its tough to compare Lafayette College with the other two schools, LC is a small school but a good patriot league school.

So looking at this you can simply see UNC is the "better" school! There is one major issue tho, our kids are LACROSSE players. Lets just put it this way, UNC lacrosse players have different obligations academically than NON ACC or Big 10 programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bignhamton a TOP school? Really - that a tier school, at best!

Hate to burst your bubble, but you might need higher grades to get into Binghamton than UNC or Lafayette.

I am a fan of Binghamton as a great school for sure. But look at acceptance rate, size & grad rate with UNC vs Bing vs LC-

UNC- 27% acceptance rate 29,000 students on campus, 81% grad rate
Bing- 42% acceptance rate 16,000 students on campus, 69% grad rate
Lafayette- 34% acceptance rate 2500 students on campus, 85% grad rate

Its tough to compare Lafayette College with the other two schools, LC is a small school but a good patriot league school.

So looking at this you can simply see UNC is the "better" school! There is one major issue tho, our kids are LACROSSE players. Lets just put it this way, UNC lacrosse players have different obligations academically than NON ACC or Big 10 programs.

Hopefully those academic obligations for UNC lacrosse players are a little more intensive than the ones for the UNC basketball players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bignhamton a TOP school? Really - that a tier school, at best!

Hate to burst your bubble, but you might need higher grades to get into Binghamton than UNC or Lafayette.

I am a fan of Binghamton as a great school for sure. But look at acceptance rate, size & grad rate with UNC vs Bing vs LC-

UNC- 27% acceptance rate 29,000 students on campus, 81% grad rate
Bing- 42% acceptance rate 16,000 students on campus, 69% grad rate
Lafayette- 34% acceptance rate 2500 students on campus, 85% grad rate

Its tough to compare Lafayette College with the other two schools, LC is a small school but a good patriot league school.

So looking at this you can simply see UNC is the "better" school! There is one major issue tho, our kids are LACROSSE players. Lets just put it this way, UNC lacrosse players have different obligations academically than NON ACC or Big 10 programs.

With the Lax alumni network UNC is better than Binghamton
Without the Lax alumni network it all depends on where you want to work/live after school.

Live in Charlotte/Raleigh...UNC
Live in NYC/LI...Binghamton

UNC does have big basketball following nationwide but UNC jocks are negatively impacted by the various NCAA investigations into academic fraud for athletes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bignhamton a TOP school? Really - that a tier school, at best!

Hate to burst your bubble, but you might need higher grades to get into Binghamton than UNC or Lafayette.

I am a fan of Binghamton as a great school for sure. But look at acceptance rate, size & grad rate with UNC vs Bing vs LC-

UNC- 27% acceptance rate 29,000 students on campus, 81% grad rate
Bing- 42% acceptance rate 16,000 students on campus, 69% grad rate
Lafayette- 34% acceptance rate 2500 students on campus, 85% grad rate

Its tough to compare Lafayette College with the other two schools, LC is a small school but a good patriot league school.

So looking at this you can simply see UNC is the "better" school! There is one major issue tho, our kids are LACROSSE players. Lets just put it this way, UNC lacrosse players have different obligations academically than NON ACC or Big 10 programs.

let's look at this from a different angle, not lacrosse or size but national rankings.

UNC - 50
Bing - 174
Lafa - 48

from this national ranking, i would send my child to either UNC or Lafayette, assuming we exclude LAX from this equation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bignhamton a TOP school? Really - that a tier school, at best!

Hate to burst your bubble, but you might need higher grades to get into Binghamton than UNC or Lafayette.

Take away the might - Binghamton is a very competitive school academically.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bignhamton a TOP school? Really - that a tier school, at best!

Hate to burst your bubble, but you might need higher grades to get into Binghamton than UNC or Lafayette.

I am a fan of Binghamton as a great school for sure. But look at acceptance rate, size & grad rate with UNC vs Bing vs LC-

UNC- 27% acceptance rate 29,000 students on campus, 81% grad rate
Bing- 42% acceptance rate 16,000 students on campus, 69% grad rate
Lafayette- 34% acceptance rate 2500 students on campus, 85% grad rate

Its tough to compare Lafayette College with the other two schools, LC is a small school but a good patriot league school.

So looking at this you can simply see UNC is the "better" school! There is one major issue tho, our kids are LACROSSE players. Lets just put it this way, UNC lacrosse players have different obligations academically than NON ACC or Big 10 programs.

let's look at this from a different angle, not lacrosse or size but national rankings.

UNC - 50
Bing - 174
Lafa - 48

from this national ranking, i would send my child to either UNC or Lafayette, assuming we exclude LAX from this equation.

You can quote all the rankings and stats you want, you still need higher grades to get into Bing. Easier to get into UNC or LC than Bing, sorry. Btw just because a school like UNC has so many more kids applying than Bing, thus artificially lowering their acceptance rate doesn't make it any better. Sorry. Might have better sports and name recognition, but you have to be smarter to get into Bing. LC only let's in 500 kids a year, again artificially lowering acceptance rate. Ranking from magazines are made up to sell ad space.

National Ranking mean little. The perception of the value of your degree in the City in which you plan on living after school means a lot.

Ask the average NYC hiring manager and they will call UNC a basketball factory while Binghamton is a top SUNY with a strong alumni network in NYC

Go to a different town and you will get a different answer.

UNC is very, very difficult to get into from out of state.

Great school, classic college town, 65% women.

I can see why any player would love it. (All this coming from a Dukie!)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bignhamton a TOP school? Really - that a tier school, at best!

Hate to burst your bubble, but you might need higher grades to get into Binghamton than UNC or Lafayette.

Your wrong. UNC is more competitive and requires hire standards to get into than Binghamton. Binghamton is a great school however does not support your claim.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

National Ranking mean little. The perception of the value of your degree in the City in which you plan on living after school means a lot.

Ask the average NYC hiring manager and they will call UNC a basketball factory while Binghamton is a top SUNY with a strong alumni network in NYC

Go to a different town and you will get a different answer.

Unc brand gets you much further for high end finance jobs in the city that bung hampton

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bignhamton a TOP school? Really - that a tier school, at best!

Hate to burst your bubble, but you might need higher grades to get into Binghamton than UNC or Lafayette.

I am a fan of Binghamton as a great school for sure. But look at acceptance rate, size & grad rate with UNC vs Bing vs LC-

UNC- 27% acceptance rate 29,000 students on campus, 81% grad rate
Bing- 42% acceptance rate 16,000 students on campus, 69% grad rate
Lafayette- 34% acceptance rate 2500 students on campus, 85% grad rate

Its tough to compare Lafayette College with the other two schools, LC is a small school but a good patriot league school.

So looking at this you can simply see UNC is the "better" school! There is one major issue tho, our kids are LACROSSE players. Lets just put it this way, UNC lacrosse players have different obligations academically than NON ACC or Big 10 programs.

let's look at this from a different angle, not lacrosse or size but national rankings.

UNC - 50
Bing - 174
Lafa - 48

from this national ranking, i would send my child to either UNC or Lafayette, assuming we exclude LAX from this equation.

You can quote all the rankings and stats you want, you still need higher grades to get into Bing. Easier to get into UNC or LC than Bing, sorry. Btw just because a school like UNC has so many more kids applying than Bing, thus artificially lowering their acceptance rate doesn't make it any better. Sorry. Might have better sports and name recognition, but you have to be smarter to get into Bing. LC only let's in 500 kids a year, again artificially lowering acceptance rate. Ranking from magazines are made up to sell ad space.

This on the express thread here on BOTC, I'll take these stats over rankings - all about that $$$.
http://college.usatoday.com/2014/08/15/the-10-colleges-with-the-highest-paid-business-graduates/

Anyone have any experience/feedback on the Legacy invitational? My son just got an invite and its stating 80 coaches, elite talent, etc. Was wondering if anyone has had any experience with it.... thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bignhamton a TOP school? Really - that a tier school, at best!

Hate to burst your bubble, but you might need higher grades to get into Binghamton than UNC or Lafayette.

Your wrong. UNC is more competitive and requires hire standards to get into than Binghamton. Binghamton is a great school however does not support your claim.

Difference is a lacrosse player from UNC doesn't need to go to real classes, Binghamton player does. Lafayette player does. Some of you on here have NO clue how this works with the UMDs, UNCs, UVAs, Hopkins, Cuse's of the world. Talk to those who have been there, careful what you ask for with those huge lax programs, you are there to PLAY LACROSSE 1st!

If thats what you want for your kid than aim for that.

This is interesting, the lowest salary for a WNBA player made roughly $35,000 per year in 2012. Tell me how much a "top starter" in MLL makes?

So if a D1 college coach of a school you were interested in came to you or your son's club coach and said "we really like Jimmy, but think he needs another year to mature. Would he repeat/PG somewhere?" Would your answer be No? Would you consider that a disgrace if your child took advantage of that opportunity?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if a D1 college coach of a school you were interested in came to you or your son's club coach and said "we really like Jimmy, but think he needs another year to mature. Would he repeat/PG somewhere?" Would your answer be No? Would you consider that a disgrace if your child took advantage of that opportunity?

No, I'm against holbacks BEFORE or at recruiting age. Now, that is CHEATING and DISGRACEFUL!!

What's the real difference/distinction?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bignhamton a TOP school? Really - that a tier school, at best!

Hate to burst your bubble, but you might need higher grades to get into Binghamton than UNC or Lafayette.

Your wrong. UNC is more competitive and requires hire standards to get into than Binghamton. Binghamton is a great school however does not support your claim.

Difference is a lacrosse player from UNC doesn't need to go to real classes, Binghamton player does. Lafayette player does. Some of you on here have NO clue how this works with the UMDs, UNCs, UVAs, Hopkins, Cuse's of the world. Talk to those who have been there, careful what you ask for with those huge lax programs, you are there to PLAY LACROSSE 1st!

If thats what you want for your kid than aim for that.

This is interesting, the lowest salary for a WNBA player made roughly $35,000 per year in 2012. Tell me how much a "top starter" in MLL makes?

MLL-

15 game season
$500 per game (thats on the HIGH end)

total-
$7500

Recap-

WNBA player (woman's pro basketball) $35,000 per season (lowest salary)
MLL starter $7500 per season (high end)

So, go to a college where you are allowed to play lacrosse and get a REAL education.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bignhamton a TOP school? Really - that a tier school, at best!

Hate to burst your bubble, but you might need higher grades to get into Binghamton than UNC or Lafayette.

Your wrong. UNC is more competitive and requires hire standards to get into than Binghamton. Binghamton is a great school however does not support your claim.

Difference is a lacrosse player from UNC doesn't need to go to real classes, Binghamton player does. Lafayette player does. Some of you on here have NO clue how this works with the UMDs, UNCs, UVAs, Hopkins, Cuse's of the world. Talk to those who have been there, careful what you ask for with those huge lax programs, you are there to PLAY LACROSSE 1st!

If thats what you want for your kid than aim for that.

This is interesting, the lowest salary for a WNBA player made roughly $35,000 per year in 2012. Tell me how much a "top starter" in MLL makes?

MLL is not for all D1 players. Weak comparison.... You can still play lacrosse and do well at both schools. You get out of your education what you put into it. I like my chances better graduating from UNC with a 3.8 GPA compared to Binghamton with the same GPA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the real difference/distinction?

How do you compare a PG and a 9th grade re-class. A PG is a grown man. Once kids Physically mature, with lifting and training there can be very little difference between an 18yo and a 20yo.
My son is an 18yo freshman, just as strong and fast as juniors on his college team. Just lifted like an animal and closed that gap. The potential Physical differences between a 13yo and a 15yo are enormous, and down right dangerous. A physically immature 13yo can never train his way to physical parity with a 15yo, his body is simply not producing the testosterone needed to make this happen. This is the very reason these scumbags hold the kids back, to exploit that physical difference. Nothing more than another form of bullying. NOW, do you get the difference? Of course you do, that's why you held him back.

Exactly. So if you have a 15 year old lacking in physical maturity/testosterone it's completely understandable why someone would reclassify that kid to somewhat remove the disadvantage of late puberty that you have so eloquently set forth above. Especially now that PGing in lacrosse is not going to open many doors unless you go in with an offer in hand.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bignhamton a TOP school? Really - that a tier school, at best!

Hate to burst your bubble, but you might need higher grades to get into Binghamton than UNC or Lafayette.

Your wrong. UNC is more competitive and requires hire standards to get into than Binghamton. Binghamton is a great school however does not support your claim.

Difference is a lacrosse player from UNC doesn't need to go to real classes, Binghamton player does. Lafayette player does. Some of you on here have NO clue how this works with the UMDs, UNCs, UVAs, Hopkins, Cuse's of the world. Talk to those who have been there, careful what you ask for with those huge lax programs, you are there to PLAY LACROSSE 1st!

If thats what you want for your kid than aim for that.

This is interesting, the lowest salary for a WNBA player made roughly $35,000 per year in 2012. Tell me how much a "top starter" in MLL makes?

MLL is not for all D1 players. Weak comparison.... You can still play lacrosse and do well at both schools. You get out of your education what you put into it. I like my chances better graduating from UNC with a 3.8 GPA compared to Binghamton with the same GPA.

Ok I posted what you replied to. Please answer this question, what will your major be while you are getting your "3.8" as a UNC lacrosse player?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exactly. So if you have a 15 year old lacking in physical maturity/testosterone it's completely understandable why someone would reclassify that kid to somewhat remove the disadvantage of late puberty that you have so eloquently set forth above. Especially now that PGing in lacrosse is not going to open many doors unless you go in with an offer in hand.

Exactly, one is used to polish grades and refine lacrosse skills in order to progress with ones college pursuits. The other is to gain an unfair competitive advantage, to achieve one's goals at another's expense. Also known as cheating. Recently went to a very high profile D1 programs prospect camp, they divided the kids by age, oops there goes your advantage....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bignhamton a TOP school? Really - that a tier school, at best!

Hate to burst your bubble, but you might need higher grades to get into Binghamton than UNC or Lafayette.

Your wrong. UNC is more competitive and requires hire standards to get into than Binghamton. Binghamton is a great school however does not support your claim.

Actually not a claim, higher sat's and grades needed at Bing, try again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bignhamton a TOP school? Really - that a tier school, at best!

Hate to burst your bubble, but you might need higher grades to get into Binghamton than UNC or Lafayette.

Your wrong. UNC is more competitive and requires hire standards to get into than Binghamton. Binghamton is a great school however does not support your claim.

Difference is a lacrosse player from UNC doesn't need to go to real classes, Binghamton player does. Lafayette player does. Some of you on here have NO clue how this works with the UMDs, UNCs, UVAs, Hopkins, Cuse's of the world. Talk to those who have been there, careful what you ask for with those huge lax programs, you are there to PLAY LACROSSE 1st!

If thats what you want for your kid than aim for that.

This is interesting, the lowest salary for a WNBA player made roughly $35,000 per year in 2012. Tell me how much a "top starter" in MLL makes?

MLL is not for all D1 players. Weak comparison.... You can still play lacrosse and do well at both schools. You get out of your education what you put into it. I like my chances better graduating from UNC with a 3.8 GPA compared to Binghamton with the same GPA.

Ok I posted what you replied to. Please answer this question, what will your major be while you are getting your "3.8" as a UNC lacrosse player?

Recreation. No joke, that is the major a bunch of the lax guys had at UNC in the late 80s and early 90s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bignhamton a TOP school? Really - that a tier school, at best!

Hate to burst your bubble, but you might need higher grades to get into Binghamton than UNC or Lafayette.

Your wrong. UNC is more competitive and requires hire standards to get into than Binghamton. Binghamton is a great school however does not support your claim.

Actually not a claim, higher sat's and grades needed at Bing, try again.

We all also know that UNC is not giving much $$, Going to a great NYS State school will take about 100k off the loan.That matters A LOT!!!

No question early commits are alluring to 14 and 15 year old kids and their parents. But why is everyone so interested in joining this craze? Isn't it embarrassing to be selecting a university at this point? Where is the true focus? If a child gets into a school that he otherwise would never have been considered sans lacrosse abilities, how will he academically compete once he's in classroom? Why would a parent set his child up against those most likely unattainable expectations? It's not fair to say that all recruited athletes are academically unworthy because true student/athletes, like true student/artists, exist and flourish. Those are the kids that really stand out. Not the one dimensional lacrosse jock.

Any one who has a child that goes to SUNY Binghamton should be happy and proud. Excellent school!!

Which prospect camp? You are completely, dangerously wrong. They divide by graduation year. Which you would know if you had ever been at one. You clearly have a kid that enjoyed/exploited the advantage of early puberty and now you want to deny other players an even playing ground. You don't object to recruiting inequities, you just object to inequities that don't work in your child's favor.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which prospect camp? You are completely, dangerously wrong. They divide by graduation year. Which you would know if you had ever been at one. You clearly have a kid that enjoyed/exploited the advantage of early puberty and now you want to deny other players an even playing ground. You don't object to recruiting inequities, you just object to inequities that don't work in your child's favor.

I didn't say every prospect camp, I said this one, and no I'm not wrong. I only hope moving forward, the rest of the schools start to follow suit. So people like you can crawl back into the hole you came out of. Just because your son wasn't invited, doesn't make it untrue. The trembling in your writing wreaks of the horror you feel that your hold back won't accomplish "your" desired goals. If my son was an early to mature young man, (and he's not) I would challenge him to play up. Unlike yourself, who is trying to manipulate the system for your kids benefit. Further, the early maturing player's perceived advantage is fleeting at best. If they do not continue to work, and rely on a size advantage, that advantage fades very quickly. It will be of little benefit in HS and ZERO benefit in college. However, you seek to create a permanent advantage for your son. When he does mature, the perceived deficits you are concerned with will disappear and the age difference will give him the permanent advantage you seek, all at another's expense. The definition of a CHEAT. Look up the word! Get it now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which prospect camp? You are completely, dangerously wrong. They divide by graduation year. Which you would know if you had ever been at one. You clearly have a kid that enjoyed/exploited the advantage of early puberty and now you want to deny other players an even playing ground. You don't object to recruiting inequities, you just object to inequities that don't work in your child's favor.

I didn't say every prospect camp, I said this one, and no I'm not wrong. I only hope moving forward, the rest of the schools start to follow suit. So people like you can crawl back into the hole you came out of. Just because your son wasn't invited, doesn't make it untrue. The trembling in your writing wreaks of the horror you feel that your hold back won't accomplish "your" desired goals. If my son was an early to mature young man, (and he's not) I would challenge him to play up. Unlike yourself, who is trying to manipulate the system for your kids benefit. Further, the early maturing player's perceived advantage is fleeting at best. If they do not continue to work, and rely on a size advantage, that advantage fades very quickly. It will be of little benefit in HS and ZERO benefit in college. However, you seek to create a permanent advantage for your son. When he does mature, the perceived deficits you are concerned with will disappear and the age difference will give him the permanent advantage you seek, all at another's expense. The definition of a CHEAT. Look up the word! Get it now?

Very well said, could not agree more!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which prospect camp? You are completely, dangerously wrong. They divide by graduation year. Which you would know if you had ever been at one. You clearly have a kid that enjoyed/exploited the advantage of early puberty and now you want to deny other players an even playing ground. You don't object to recruiting inequities, you just object to inequities that don't work in your child's favor.

I didn't say every prospect camp, I said this one, and no I'm not wrong. I only hope moving forward, the rest of the schools start to follow suit. So people like you can crawl back into the hole you came out of. Just because your son wasn't invited, doesn't make it untrue. The trembling in your writing wreaks of the horror you feel that your hold back won't accomplish "your" desired goals. If my son was an early to mature young man, (and he's not) I would challenge him to play up. Unlike yourself, who is trying to manipulate the system for your kids benefit. Further, the early maturing player's perceived advantage is fleeting at best. If they do not continue to work, and rely on a size advantage, that advantage fades very quickly. It will be of little benefit in HS and ZERO benefit in college. However, you seek to create a permanent advantage for your son. When he does mature, the perceived deficits you are concerned with will disappear and the age difference will give him the permanent advantage you seek, all at another's expense. The definition of a CHEAT. Look up the word! Get it now?

When I started this conversation, I was just trying to give a different perspective because it seemed like everyone was labeling reclassify kids as cheaters and their parents as scumbags. Your perspective is completely different from the perspective I have seen in the real world. You make a lot of assumptions about my situation and most of them are completely incorrect. I find it interesting that you think it's ok for a kid to PG to polish his grades and lacrosse skills (something in that child's control all along) but it's not ok to reclassify to allow a kid to catch up physically (something that is genetically determined and completely outside the child's ability to control). In both situations, a kid is doing an extra year and taking a spot that would have gone to someone else. The only difference is timing. I agree with you that any advantage from being physically mature earlier than your peers disappears eventually. Unfortunately, with early recruiting "eventually" may be too late for some kids. If the recruiting timeline gets moved back, the pressure to reclassify will also disappear. I think we've beaten this topic to death and we should just agree to disagree. I wish your child the best as they go through the process. I hope you get to watch some great lacrosse, hang out with fun parents and that your kid succeeds academically and athletically.

just to put my two cents in, my kid is a 2018 and was born in 2000, we would never reclassify because he is too socially mature and too good a student to repeat 8th grade although he is not physically matured and he would benefit greatly by reclassifying. Socially it would be wrong from him and honestly as much as he loves lacrosse (as do my wife and I) it is not that important to him.

Having said that, I have no issues with a kid or family that do reclassify, I think it is a great way to get him an advantage in life and I think that while it is a very personal decision if it helps him get into that dream school, good for him and it is not cheating IMHO. I have no problem with my kid having to compete with 2018 reclassified kids that will be up to 16 months older, that is life and you play the hand you are dealt. as far as PG, the only way that we will consider this is if a "dream" school will only commit to him if he does the PG year, with all the early committing going on I do not think you can do a PG year anymore as a non committed player and hope to get recruited as a thirteenth grader.

I am really looking forward to the next two month of showcases and prospect days and seeing my son compete against the best 2018 players in the country regardless of age.

good luck to all of our boys

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just to put my two cents in, my kid is a 2018 and was born in 2000, we would never reclassify because he is too socially mature and too good a student to repeat 8th grade although he is not physically matured and he would benefit greatly by reclassifying. Socially it would be wrong from him and honestly as much as he loves lacrosse (as do my wife and I) it is not that important to him.

Having said that, I have no issues with a kid or family that do reclassify, I think it is a great way to get him an advantage in life and I think that while it is a very personal decision if it helps him get into that dream school, good for him and it is not cheating IMHO. I have no problem with my kid having to compete with 2018 reclassified kids that will be up to 16 months older, that is life and you play the hand you are dealt. as far as PG, the only way that we will consider this is if a "dream" school will only commit to him if he does the PG year, with all the early committing going on I do not think you can do a PG year anymore as a non committed player and hope to get recruited as a thirteenth grader.

I am really looking forward to the next two month of showcases and prospect days and seeing my son compete against the best 2018 players in the country regardless of age.

good luck to all of our boys

What do you think of a player in 10th grade who is playing down in 9th grade. Actually enrolled in 10th grade at a local catholic school. Not small and is mature looking for his age. Has yet to repeat a grade and will at a latter date in time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just to put my two cents in, my kid is a 2018 and was born in 2000, we would never reclassify because he is too socially mature and too good a student to repeat 8th grade although he is not physically matured and he would benefit greatly by reclassifying. Socially it would be wrong from him and honestly as much as he loves lacrosse (as do my wife and I) it is not that important to him.

Having said that, I have no issues with a kid or family that do reclassify, I think it is a great way to get him an advantage in life and I think that while it is a very personal decision if it helps him get into that dream school, good for him and it is not cheating IMHO. I have no problem with my kid having to compete with 2018 reclassified kids that will be up to 16 months older, that is life and you play the hand you are dealt. as far as PG, the only way that we will consider this is if a "dream" school will only commit to him if he does the PG year, with all the early committing going on I do not think you can do a PG year anymore as a non committed player and hope to get recruited as a thirteenth grader.

I am really looking forward to the next two month of showcases and prospect days and seeing my son compete against the best 2018 players in the country regardless of age.

good luck to all of our boys

What do you think of a player in 10th grade who is playing down in 9th grade. Actually enrolled in 10th grade at a local catholic school. Not small and is mature looking for his age. Has yet to repeat a grade and will at a latter date in time.

IMHO if he is a 2017 he should play 2017 and when he reclassifies I have no problem with him playing 2018 - but I understand if he is going to graduate in 2018 to play 2018 but not if he is going to graduate in 2017 and PG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just to put my two cents in, my kid is a 2018 and was born in 2000, we would never reclassify because he is too socially mature and too good a student to repeat 8th grade although he is not physically matured and he would benefit greatly by reclassifying. Socially it would be wrong from him and honestly as much as he loves lacrosse (as do my wife and I) it is not that important to him.

Having said that, I have no issues with a kid or family that do reclassify, I think it is a great way to get him an advantage in life and I think that while it is a very personal decision if it helps him get into that dream school, good for him and it is not cheating IMHO. I have no problem with my kid having to compete with 2018 reclassified kids that will be up to 16 months older, that is life and you play the hand you are dealt. as far as PG, the only way that we will consider this is if a "dream" school will only commit to him if he does the PG year, with all the early committing going on I do not think you can do a PG year anymore as a non committed player and hope to get recruited as a thirteenth grader.

I am really looking forward to the next two month of showcases and prospect days and seeing my son compete against the best 2018 players in the country regardless of age.

good luck to all of our boys

What do you think of a player in 10th grade who is playing down in 9th grade. Actually enrolled in 10th grade at a local catholic school. Not small and is mature looking for his age. Has yet to repeat a grade and will at a latter date in time.

If you ask me (or anyone else) I think 100% would say that is the worst kind of cheating. At least a holdback has to put up with the embarrassment among his peers. Is this being done in the open? Arent you calling this out? Who is allowing this? Really this should be pointed out and stopped.

So how are you going to feel when a 25 year old Canadian plays with your boy in college, when a juco transfer comes in who is older, etc. This will happen. It is life. Get over it. When your company hires someone who is older does that bother you too?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just to put my two cents in, my kid is a 2018 and was born in 2000, we would never reclassify because he is too socially mature and too good a student to repeat 8th grade although he is not physically matured and he would benefit greatly by reclassifying. Socially it would be wrong from him and honestly as much as he loves lacrosse (as do my wife and I) it is not that important to him.

Having said that, I have no issues with a kid or family that do reclassify, I think it is a great way to get him an advantage in life and I think that while it is a very personal decision if it helps him get into that dream school, good for him and it is not cheating IMHO. I have no problem with my kid having to compete with 2018 reclassified kids that will be up to 16 months older, that is life and you play the hand you are dealt. as far as PG, the only way that we will consider this is if a "dream" school will only commit to him if he does the PG year, with all the early committing going on I do not think you can do a PG year anymore as a non committed player and hope to get recruited as a thirteenth grader.

I am really looking forward to the next two month of showcases and prospect days and seeing my son compete against the best 2018 players in the country regardless of age.

good luck to all of our boys

What do you think of a player in 10th grade who is playing down in 9th grade. Actually enrolled in 10th grade at a local catholic school. Not small and is mature looking for his age. Has yet to repeat a grade and will at a latter date in time.

IMHO if he is a 2017 he should play 2017 and when he reclassifies I have no problem with him playing 2018 - but I understand if he is going to graduate in 2018 to play 2018 but not if he is going to graduate in 2017 and PG

Cheating is bad, you folks may justify, but at night in bed you know you are cheating...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just to put my two cents in, my kid is a 2018 and was born in 2000, we would never reclassify because he is too socially mature and too good a student to repeat 8th grade although he is not physically matured and he would benefit greatly by reclassifying. Socially it would be wrong from him and honestly as much as he loves lacrosse (as do my wife and I) it is not that important to him.

Having said that, I have no issues with a kid or family that do reclassify, I think it is a great way to get him an advantage in life and I think that while it is a very personal decision if it helps him get into that dream school, good for him and it is not cheating IMHO. I have no problem with my kid having to compete with 2018 reclassified kids that will be up to 16 months older, that is life and you play the hand you are dealt. as far as PG, the only way that we will consider this is if a "dream" school will only commit to him if he does the PG year, with all the early committing going on I do not think you can do a PG year anymore as a non committed player and hope to get recruited as a thirteenth grader.

I am really looking forward to the next two month of showcases and prospect days and seeing my son compete against the best 2018 players in the country regardless of age.

good luck to all of our boys

Good luck???

Maybe for the cheaters!

They are not playing with the "cards they were dealt" , rather they ate re shuffling them to their advantage, and to others expense.

Your post was just pure ignorance and stupidity. Let's see if you feel the same way when a reclass loser takes your son's scholarship!

WAKE UP!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just to put my two cents in, my kid is a 2018 and was born in 2000, we would never reclassify because he is too socially mature and too good a student to repeat 8th grade although he is not physically matured and he would benefit greatly by reclassifying. Socially it would be wrong from him and honestly as much as he loves lacrosse (as do my wife and I) it is not that important to him.

Having said that, I have no issues with a kid or family that do reclassify, I think it is a great way to get him an advantage in life and I think that while it is a very personal decision if it helps him get into that dream school, good for him and it is not cheating IMHO. I have no problem with my kid having to compete with 2018 reclassified kids that will be up to 16 months older, that is life and you play the hand you are dealt. as far as PG, the only way that we will consider this is if a "dream" school will only commit to him if he does the PG year, with all the early committing going on I do not think you can do a PG year anymore as a non committed player and hope to get recruited as a thirteenth grader.

I am really looking forward to the next two month of showcases and prospect days and seeing my son compete against the best 2018 players in the country regardless of age.

good luck to all of our boys

What do you think of a player in 10th grade who is playing down in 9th grade. Actually enrolled in 10th grade at a local catholic school. Not small and is mature looking for his age. Has yet to repeat a grade and will at a latter date in time.

If you ask me (or anyone else) I think 100% would say that is the worst kind of cheating. At least a holdback has to put up with the embarrassment among his peers. Is this being done in the open? Arent you calling this out? Who is allowing this? Really this should be pointed out and stopped.

3D Blue Chip is allowing players to sign up for the grad year of their choice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just to put my two cents in, my kid is a 2018 and was born in 2000, we would never reclassify because he is too socially mature and too good a student to repeat 8th grade although he is not physically matured and he would benefit greatly by reclassifying. Socially it would be wrong from him and honestly as much as he loves lacrosse (as do my wife and I) it is not that important to him.

Having said that, I have no issues with a kid or family that do reclassify, I think it is a great way to get him an advantage in life and I think that while it is a very personal decision if it helps him get into that dream school, good for him and it is not cheating IMHO. I have no problem with my kid having to compete with 2018 reclassified kids that will be up to 16 months older, that is life and you play the hand you are dealt. as far as PG, the only way that we will consider this is if a "dream" school will only commit to him if he does the PG year, with all the early committing going on I do not think you can do a PG year anymore as a non committed player and hope to get recruited as a thirteenth grader.

I am really looking forward to the next two month of showcases and prospect days and seeing my son compete against the best 2018 players in the country regardless of age.

good luck to all of our boys

Good luck???

Maybe for the cheaters!

They are not playing with the "cards they were dealt" , rather they ate re shuffling them to their advantage, and to others expense.

Your post was just pure ignorance and stupidity. Let's see if you feel the same way when a reclass loser takes your son's scholarship!

WAKE UP!!!

ignorance and stupidity or my opinion? if a reclassified kid takes your kids spot he is the winner and your kid is the loser. my kid will be going to a school that does not give athletic scholarships so he may take my kids spot on the team but not his scholarship

If you leave your kid back because he can't do the homework and is failing, i have no issue. If you re-class (leave your kid back) for lax opportinity, you are a cheater and everyone is talking about you and your family behind your back. Even your closest friends think you are sleezy...

Obviously you know it is wrong or you wouldn't be here trying to justify.

I feel bad for your son as all the other boys are snickering behind his back. What parent would put a kid in that situation? Or maybe you will tell me it was your 14 year old boys ideat to repeat a grade?

Did you sneek him into another school in hopes that you could fit him in in a place where no one knows you and him???

When you and your partner-husband or wife-talked about this, was part of the conversation how you would enroll him in private school (you can name the school-but all MD schools fit the bill) where other people reclass as well so the stigma would be less?

Come on, you know it is cheating and you know it is wrong, but you did it so you could tell the world your boy is playing d-1 lax...It is about you, not the kid.

Tell me, if you think this really gives your kid a leg up in life, did you do lot's of research on the life impacts of having a 14 year old repeat a grade? Point to the study or the research so maybe we can all learn something.

I suspect you did no research and rather you spent more time buying your last car then you did when mking this decision...

While I feel bad for your son, it is clear that you and most of the rest of re-class parents are slimy people looking for a way to get ahead without playing fair. Just because something isn't illegal doesn't mean it is right or fair. that is what cheating is, not necessarily illegal but clearly not the right thing to do.

all that said, i really hope it works for your boy and this doesnt backfire on him as he really had no part in the decision, it all came from your misguided approach to what i believe was a noble thought. In your warped mind you think you are doing the best thing possiple for your kid--I get that and that is the noble part. It is how you chose to get that advantage that is the warped part.

It's seems like cheating to a lot of you. But if it is the path to a once in a lifetime chance - I get it. Florida allows HS participation up until 19 years and 9 months. Every sport does this. It isn't changing. Example, a kid wants one school and one school only (his dream school) coach says not happening, but if you PG you have a spot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you leave your kid back because he can't do the homework and is failing, i have no issue. If you re-class (leave your kid back) for lax opportinity, you are a cheater and everyone is talking about you and your family behind your back. Even your closest friends think you are sleezy...

Obviously you know it is wrong or you wouldn't be here trying to justify.

I feel bad for your son as all the other boys are snickering behind his back. What parent would put a kid in that situation? Or maybe you will tell me it was your 14 year old boys ideat to repeat a grade?

Did you sneek him into another school in hopes that you could fit him in in a place where no one knows you and him???

When you and your partner-husband or wife-talked about this, was part of the conversation how you would enroll him in private school (you can name the school-but all MD schools fit the bill) where other people reclass as well so the stigma would be less?

Come on, you know it is cheating and you know it is wrong, but you did it so you could tell the world your boy is playing d-1 lax...It is about you, not the kid.

Tell me, if you think this really gives your kid a leg up in life, did you do lot's of research on the life impacts of having a 14 year old repeat a grade? Point to the study or the research so maybe we can all learn something.

I suspect you did no research and rather you spent more time buying your last car then you did when mking this decision...

While I feel bad for your son, it is clear that you and most of the rest of re-class parents are slimy people looking for a way to get ahead without playing fair. Just because something isn't illegal doesn't mean it is right or fair. that is what cheating is, not necessarily illegal but clearly not the right thing to do.

all that said, i really hope it works for your boy and this doesnt backfire on him as he really had no part in the decision, it all came from your misguided approach to what i believe was a noble thought. In your warped mind you think you are doing the best thing possiple for your kid--I get that and that is the noble part. It is how you chose to get that advantage that is the warped part.

The previous poster wishes your son well, I personally hope he crashes and burns at some point. I will be cheering for that. My older son is already committed but I am still extremely disgusted that he needed to fight for a spot against kids1-2 years older that him. I do however agree with the poster that you are a sleazy cheater.

2018 fl$ goalie ... enough said.

??? what about him?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 fl$ goalie ... enough said.

That actually is not enough said??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you leave your kid back because he can't do the homework and is failing, i have no issue. If you re-class (leave your kid back) for lax opportinity, you are a cheater and everyone is talking about you and your family behind your back. Even your closest friends think you are sleezy...

Obviously you know it is wrong or you wouldn't be here trying to justify.

I feel bad for your son as all the other boys are snickering behind his back. What parent would put a kid in that situation? Or maybe you will tell me it was your 14 year old boys ideat to repeat a grade?

Did you sneek him into another school in hopes that you could fit him in in a place where no one knows you and him???

When you and your partner-husband or wife-talked about this, was part of the conversation how you would enroll him in private school (you can name the school-but all MD schools fit the bill) where other people reclass as well so the stigma would be less?

Come on, you know it is cheating and you know it is wrong, but you did it so you could tell the world your boy is playing d-1 lax...It is about you, not the kid.

Tell me, if you think this really gives your kid a leg up in life, did you do lot's of research on the life impacts of having a 14 year old repeat a grade? Point to the study or the research so maybe we can all learn something.

I suspect you did no research and rather you spent more time buying your last car then you did when mking this decision...

While I feel bad for your son, it is clear that you and most of the rest of re-class parents are slimy people looking for a way to get ahead without playing fair. Just because something isn't illegal doesn't mean it is right or fair. that is what cheating is, not necessarily illegal but clearly not the right thing to do.

all that said, i really hope it works for your boy and this doesnt backfire on him as he really had no part in the decision, it all came from your misguided approach to what i believe was a noble thought. In your warped mind you think you are doing the best thing possiple for your kid--I get that and that is the noble part. It is how you chose to get that advantage that is the warped part.

The previous poster wishes your son well, I personally hope he crashes and burns at some point. I will be cheering for that. My older son is already committed but I am still extremely disgusted that he needed to fight for a spot against kids1-2 years older that him. I do however agree with the poster that you are a sleazy cheater.

If harvard told you to repeat your kid you would do it in a second. If you wouldn't you're an idiot.

I Think your last sentence hit the nail on the head. The complainers are panicking bc of recent commitments. And refuse to Accept the ever changing timeline.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you leave your kid back because he can't do the homework and is failing, i have no issue. If you re-class (leave your kid back) for lax opportinity, you are a cheater and everyone is talking about you and your family behind your back. Even your closest friends think you are sleezy...

Obviously you know it is wrong or you wouldn't be here trying to justify.

I feel bad for your son as all the other boys are snickering behind his back. What parent would put a kid in that situation? Or maybe you will tell me it was your 14 year old boys ideat to repeat a grade?

Did you sneek him into another school in hopes that you could fit him in in a place where no one knows you and him???

When you and your partner-husband or wife-talked about this, was part of the conversation how you would enroll him in private school (you can name the school-but all MD schools fit the bill) where other people reclass as well so the stigma would be less?

Come on, you know it is cheating and you know it is wrong, but you did it so you could tell the world your boy is playing d-1 lax...It is about you, not the kid.

Tell me, if you think this really gives your kid a leg up in life, did you do lot's of research on the life impacts of having a 14 year old repeat a grade? Point to the study or the research so maybe we can all learn something.

I suspect you did no research and rather you spent more time buying your last car then you did when mking this decision...

While I feel bad for your son, it is clear that you and most of the rest of re-class parents are slimy people looking for a way to get ahead without playing fair. Just because something isn't illegal doesn't mean it is right or fair. that is what cheating is, not necessarily illegal but clearly not the right thing to do.

all that said, i really hope it works for your boy and this doesnt backfire on him as he really had no part in the decision, it all came from your misguided approach to what i believe was a noble thought. In your warped mind you think you are doing the best thing possiple for your kid--I get that and that is the noble part. It is how you chose to get that advantage that is the warped part.

The previous poster wishes your son well, I personally hope he crashes and burns at some point. I will be cheering for that. My older son is already committed but I am still extremely disgusted that he needed to fight for a spot against kids1-2 years older that him. I do however agree with the poster that you are a sleazy cheater.

If harvard told you to repeat your kid you would do it in a second. If you wouldn't you're an idiot.

Harvard doesn't tell people to repeat their kid, they have more integrity than that, as should the slimy cheaters

Harvard? So you reclass your kid in 8th grade because harvard told you to do it and he would have a spot???

Really???

That is your story and you are sticking to it? You can do better than that.

oh my, what a bunch of babies - no wonder your kids can't compete, you want to sit back and have it handed to you. go out and compete against all the 2018's and stop crying. The colleges do not care how old you are they care about when you are graduating HS, when you plan on starting college, how good a player you are and how good a player you are going to be but never how old the kid is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

oh my, what a bunch of babies - no wonder your kids can't compete, you want to sit back and have it handed to you. go out and compete against all the 2018's and stop crying. The colleges do not care how old you are they care about when you are graduating HS, when you plan on starting college, how good a player you are and how good a player you are going to be but never how old the kid is.

If your boy was able to compete against his own age you wouldn't have had to make the sleazy choice to re-class. Really should be called--class-less.

Really!!! That statement says a lot. It just proved you're son is simply NOT THERE. bc it is a fact: schools DO suggest a repeat/pg year, especially for the younger players.College coaches could care less about the kids age. All they want is a superior academic student with great lacrosse resume. Just keep burying your head in the sand. Maybe then your incessant crying and lack of knowledge will stop.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really!!! That statement says a lot. It just proved you're son is simply NOT THERE. bc it is a fact: schools DO suggest a repeat/pg year, especially for the younger players.College coaches could care less about the kids age. All they want is a superior academic student with great lacrosse resume. Just keep burying your head in the sand. Maybe then your incessant crying and lack of knowledge will stop.

100% agreed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

oh my, what a bunch of babies - no wonder your kids can't compete, you want to sit back and have it handed to you. go out and compete against all the 2018's and stop crying. The colleges do not care how old you are they care about when you are graduating HS, when you plan on starting college, how good a player you are and how good a player you are going to be but never how old the kid is.

If your boy was able to compete against his own age you wouldn't have had to make the sleazy choice to re-class. Really should be called--class-less.

That is really what it comes down to- the reclassified kid could not make the cut against kids in his own age group. I think it sends such a sad message to the player, even if it is unintended and not spoken. Think about it, I think kids play it off as a cool thing, because you will hopefully gain something in the end, but everyone else looking in, well they are all thinking the same thing, he could not cut it, so he had no choice but to play with younger kids. In the end, not all reclassed kids will end up where they want, because unfortunately, it seems to be a growing trend, but coaches are not just looking for bigger, or more mature kids, they still have to have skill. What I really do not get, so if your skills are not up to par with your own class, and you drop down a year, or two- and get picked up by a college as an early recruit- aren't you going to spend a lot of time riding the bench in college or even HS once you are back with your own aged players or even when your "new" younger friends reach puberty, like you did a few years earlier. It just seems like it will even out in the end and the message sent, You were not good enough, so we played you with younger kids- will resonate in the back of the player's mind for years to come.

What is so remarkable about these posts is that everyone here thinks there son is getting a full ride and playing at Duke or 'Cuse. AND that college coaches are telling their 8th grader to hold them back a year.

Anyone who has coached PAL knows what a huge advantage one year has over another. So... one year older makes a huge difference in athletic ability, LAX IQ, size and strength. And guess what, a huge number of these kids will not play in college (D1, D2 or D3)

Give me a break. It may be "legal" but it's wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

oh my, what a bunch of babies - no wonder your kids can't compete, you want to sit back and have it handed to you. go out and compete against all the 2018's and stop crying. The colleges do not care how old you are they care about when you are graduating HS, when you plan on starting college, how good a player you are and how good a player you are going to be but never how old the kid is.

If your boy was able to compete against his own age you wouldn't have had to make the sleazy choice to re-class. Really should be called--class-less.

That is really what it comes down to- the reclassified kid could not make the cut against kids in his own age group. I think it sends such a sad message to the player, even if it is unintended and not spoken. Think about it, I think kids play it off as a cool thing, because you will hopefully gain something in the end, but everyone else looking in, well they are all thinking the same thing, he could not cut it, so he had no choice but to play with younger kids. In the end, not all reclassed kids will end up where they want, because unfortunately, it seems to be a growing trend, but coaches are not just looking for bigger, or more mature kids, they still have to have skill. What I really do not get, so if your skills are not up to par with your own class, and you drop down a year, or two- and get picked up by a college as an early recruit- aren't you going to spend a lot of time riding the bench in college or even HS once you are back with your own aged players or even when your "new" younger friends reach puberty, like you did a few years earlier. It just seems like it will even out in the end and the message sent, You were not good enough, so we played you with younger kids- will resonate in the back of the player's mind for years to come.

If you look at the year ahead of us. This past July in Denver for u15 Nat Championship, that tells you what 2017's are on age because you need a birth certf. to play.

Fact is, the NCAA D1 committed players that were there were MOSTLY the L.I. players.

9 players for FCA National that were there,
Turtles- Smithtown East - M - Hopkins
Turtles- Manhasset - A - Hopkins
Turtles- Smithtown East - FO/M - Ivy commit
Turtles- St.Anthony's - LSM - Bucknell
Turtles- Mt. Sinai - D - Hopkins
Turtles- Manhasset - LSM - Michigan
Turtles- Manhasset - M - North Carolina
Turtles- Smithtown East - A - Fairfield
Team 91- Cold Spring Harbor - A - Virginia

1 player for fl$ that were there,
Manhasset- A - Michigan

So all the above players are ON AGE.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

oh my, what a bunch of babies - no wonder your kids can't compete, you want to sit back and have it handed to you. go out and compete against all the 2018's and stop crying. The colleges do not care how old you are they care about when you are graduating HS, when you plan on starting college, how good a player you are and how good a player you are going to be but never how old the kid is.

If your boy was able to compete against his own age you wouldn't have had to make the sleazy choice to re-class. Really should be called--class-less.

That is really what it comes down to- the reclassified kid could not make the cut against kids in his own age group. I think it sends such a sad message to the player, even if it is unintended and not spoken. Think about it, I think kids play it off as a cool thing, because you will hopefully gain something in the end, but everyone else looking in, well they are all thinking the same thing, he could not cut it, so he had no choice but to play with younger kids. In the end, not all reclassed kids will end up where they want, because unfortunately, it seems to be a growing trend, but coaches are not just looking for bigger, or more mature kids, they still have to have skill. What I really do not get, so if your skills are not up to par with your own class, and you drop down a year, or two- and get picked up by a college as an early recruit- aren't you going to spend a lot of time riding the bench in college or even HS once you are back with your own aged players or even when your "new" younger friends reach puberty, like you did a few years earlier. It just seems like it will even out in the end and the message sent, You were not good enough, so we played you with younger kids- will resonate in the back of the player's mind for years to come.

Riding the pine at harvard is a great outcome. Go ahead and check the birthdays of the top programs. The ship has sailed on this. True on age is a huge minority.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

oh my, what a bunch of babies - no wonder your kids can't compete, you want to sit back and have it handed to you. go out and compete against all the 2018's and stop crying. The colleges do not care how old you are they care about when you are graduating HS, when you plan on starting college, how good a player you are and how good a player you are going to be but never how old the kid is.

If your boy was able to compete against his own age you wouldn't have had to make the sleazy choice to re-class. Really should be called--class-less.

You can be u15 with a fall birthday. You positive all are January and beyond? I doubt it

That is really what it comes down to- the reclassified kid could not make the cut against kids in his own age group. I think it sends such a sad message to the player, even if it is unintended and not spoken. Think about it, I think kids play it off as a cool thing, because you will hopefully gain something in the end, but everyone else looking in, well they are all thinking the same thing, he could not cut it, so he had no choice but to play with younger kids. In the end, not all reclassed kids will end up where they want, because unfortunately, it seems to be a growing trend, but coaches are not just looking for bigger, or more mature kids, they still have to have skill. What I really do not get, so if your skills are not up to par with your own class, and you drop down a year, or two- and get picked up by a college as an early recruit- aren't you going to spend a lot of time riding the bench in college or even HS once you are back with your own aged players or even when your "new" younger friends reach puberty, like you did a few years earlier. It just seems like it will even out in the end and the message sent, You were not good enough, so we played you with younger kids- will resonate in the back of the player's mind for years to come.

If you look at the year ahead of us. This past July in Denver for u15 Nat Championship, that tells you what 2017's are on age because you need a birth certf. to play.

Fact is, the NCAA D1 committed players that were there were MOSTLY the L.I. players.

9 players for FCA National that were there,
Turtles- Smithtown East - M - Hopkins
Turtles- Manhasset - A - Hopkins
Turtles- Smithtown East - FO/M - Ivy commit
Turtles- St.Anthony's - LSM - Bucknell
Turtles- Mt. Sinai - D - Hopkins
Turtles- Manhasset - LSM - Michigan
Turtles- Manhasset - M - North Carolina
Turtles- Smithtown East - A - Fairfield
Team 91- Cold Spring Harbor - A - Virginia

1 player for fl$ that were there,
Manhasset- A - Michigan

So all the above players are ON AGE.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

oh my, what a bunch of babies - no wonder your kids can't compete, you want to sit back and have it handed to you. go out and compete against all the 2018's and stop crying. The colleges do not care how old you are they care about when you are graduating HS, when you plan on starting college, how good a player you are and how good a player you are going to be but never how old the kid is.

If your boy was able to compete against his own age you wouldn't have had to make the sleazy choice to re-class. Really should be called--class-less.

That is really what it comes down to- the reclassified kid could not make the cut against kids in his own age group. I think it sends such a sad message to the player, even if it is unintended and not spoken. Think about it, I think kids play it off as a cool thing, because you will hopefully gain something in the end, but everyone else looking in, well they are all thinking the same thing, he could not cut it, so he had no choice but to play with younger kids. In the end, not all reclassed kids will end up where they want, because unfortunately, it seems to be a growing trend, but coaches are not just looking for bigger, or more mature kids, they still have to have skill. What I really do not get, so if your skills are not up to par with your own class, and you drop down a year, or two- and get picked up by a college as an early recruit- aren't you going to spend a lot of time riding the bench in college or even HS once you are back with your own aged players or even when your "new" younger friends reach puberty, like you did a few years earlier. It just seems like it will even out in the end and the message sent, You were not good enough, so we played you with younger kids- will resonate in the back of the player's mind for years to come.

If you look at the year ahead of us. This past July in Denver for u15 Nat Championship, that tells you what 2017's are on age because you need a birth certf. to play.

Fact is, the NCAA D1 committed players that were there were MOSTLY the L.I. players.

9 players for FCA National that were there,
Turtles- Smithtown East - M - Hopkins
Turtles- Manhasset - A - Hopkins
Turtles- Smithtown East - FO/M - Ivy commit
Turtles- St.Anthony's - LSM - Bucknell
Turtles- Mt. Sinai - D - Hopkins
Turtles- Manhasset - LSM - Michigan
Turtles- Manhasset - M - North Carolina
Turtles- Smithtown East - A - Fairfield
Team 91- Cold Spring Harbor - A - Virginia

1 player for fl$ that were there,
Manhasset- A - Michigan

So all the above players are ON AGE.

Some may have been "legal" to play but are hold-backs according to their school districts ct off date. FACT!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

oh my, what a bunch of babies - no wonder your kids can't compete, you want to sit back and have it handed to you. go out and compete against all the 2018's and stop crying. The colleges do not care how old you are they care about when you are graduating HS, when you plan on starting college, how good a player you are and how good a player you are going to be but never how old the kid is.

If your boy was able to compete against his own age you wouldn't have had to make the sleazy choice to re-class. Really should be called--class-less.

That is really what it comes down to- the reclassified kid could not make the cut against kids in his own age group. I think it sends such a sad message to the player, even if it is unintended and not spoken. Think about it, I think kids play it off as a cool thing, because you will hopefully gain something in the end, but everyone else looking in, well they are all thinking the same thing, he could not cut it, so he had no choice but to play with younger kids. In the end, not all reclassed kids will end up where they want, because unfortunately, it seems to be a growing trend, but coaches are not just looking for bigger, or more mature kids, they still have to have skill. What I really do not get, so if your skills are not up to par with your own class, and you drop down a year, or two- and get picked up by a college as an early recruit- aren't you going to spend a lot of time riding the bench in college or even HS once you are back with your own aged players or even when your "new" younger friends reach puberty, like you did a few years earlier. It just seems like it will even out in the end and the message sent, You were not good enough, so we played you with younger kids- will resonate in the back of the player's mind for years to come.

If you look at the year ahead of us. This past July in Denver for u15 Nat Championship, that tells you what 2017's are on age because you need a birth certf. to play.

Fact is, the NCAA D1 committed players that were there were MOSTLY the L.I. players.

9 players for FCA National that were there,
Turtles- Smithtown East - M - Hopkins
Turtles- Manhasset - A - Hopkins
Turtles- Smithtown East - FO/M - Ivy commit
Turtles- St.Anthony's - LSM - Bucknell
Turtles- Mt. Sinai - D - Hopkins
Turtles- Manhasset - LSM - Michigan
Turtles- Manhasset - M - North Carolina
Turtles- Smithtown East - A - Fairfield
Team 91- Cold Spring Harbor - A - Virginia

1 player for fl$ that were there,
Manhasset- A - Michigan

So all the above players are ON AGE.

Some may have been "legal" to play but are hold-backs according to their school districts ct off date. FACT!

Those that are "on age" but missed their school district cut offs- are most likely the kids that needed some extra time before kindergarten, and had close to the school cut off birth dates. if they were not close to the cut off, they would not have been able to play U15 with a birth certificate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

oh my, what a bunch of babies - no wonder your kids can't compete, you want to sit back and have it handed to you. go out and compete against all the 2018's and stop crying. The colleges do not care how old you are they care about when you are graduating HS, when you plan on starting college, how good a player you are and how good a player you are going to be but never how old the kid is.

If your boy was able to compete against his own age you wouldn't have had to make the sleazy choice to re-class. Really should be called--class-less.

That is really what it comes down to- the reclassified kid could not make the cut against kids in his own age group. I think it sends such a sad message to the player, even if it is unintended and not spoken. Think about it, I think kids play it off as a cool thing, because you will hopefully gain something in the end, but everyone else looking in, well they are all thinking the same thing, he could not cut it, so he had no choice but to play with younger kids. In the end, not all reclassed kids will end up where they want, because unfortunately, it seems to be a growing trend, but coaches are not just looking for bigger, or more mature kids, they still have to have skill. What I really do not get, so if your skills are not up to par with your own class, and you drop down a year, or two- and get picked up by a college as an early recruit- aren't you going to spend a lot of time riding the bench in college or even HS once you are back with your own aged players or even when your "new" younger friends reach puberty, like you did a few years earlier. It just seems like it will even out in the end and the message sent, You were not good enough, so we played you with younger kids- will resonate in the back of the player's mind for years to come.

If you look at the year ahead of us. This past July in Denver for u15 Nat Championship, that tells you what 2017's are on age because you need a birth certf. to play.

Fact is, the NCAA D1 committed players that were there were MOSTLY the L.I. players.

9 players for FCA National that were there,
Turtles- Smithtown East - M - Hopkins
Turtles- Manhasset - A - Hopkins
Turtles- Smithtown East - FO/M - Ivy commit
Turtles- St.Anthony's - LSM - Bucknell
Turtles- Mt. Sinai - D - Hopkins
Turtles- Manhasset - LSM - Michigan
Turtles- Manhasset - M - North Carolina
Turtles- Smithtown East - A - Fairfield
Team 91- Cold Spring Harbor - A - Virginia

1 player for fl$ that were there,
Manhasset- A - Michigan

So all the above players are ON AGE.

Some may have been "legal" to play but are hold-backs according to their school districts ct off date. FACT!

What in the world are you talking about? If the kid was at u15 as a rising soph than he was on age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

oh my, what a bunch of babies - no wonder your kids can't compete, you want to sit back and have it handed to you. go out and compete against all the 2018's and stop crying. The colleges do not care how old you are they care about when you are graduating HS, when you plan on starting college, how good a player you are and how good a player you are going to be but never how old the kid is.

If your boy was able to compete against his own age you wouldn't have had to make the sleazy choice to re-class. Really should be called--class-less.

That is really what it comes down to- the reclassified kid could not make the cut against kids in his own age group. I think it sends such a sad message to the player, even if it is unintended and not spoken. Think about it, I think kids play it off as a cool thing, because you will hopefully gain something in the end, but everyone else looking in, well they are all thinking the same thing, he could not cut it, so he had no choice but to play with younger kids. In the end, not all reclassed kids will end up where they want, because unfortunately, it seems to be a growing trend, but coaches are not just looking for bigger, or more mature kids, they still have to have skill. What I really do not get, so if your skills are not up to par with your own class, and you drop down a year, or two- and get picked up by a college as an early recruit- aren't you going to spend a lot of time riding the bench in college or even HS once you are back with your own aged players or even when your "new" younger friends reach puberty, like you did a few years earlier. It just seems like it will even out in the end and the message sent, You were not good enough, so we played you with younger kids- will resonate in the back of the player's mind for years to come.

If you look at the year ahead of us. This past July in Denver for u15 Nat Championship, that tells you what 2017's are on age because you need a birth certf. to play.

Fact is, the NCAA D1 committed players that were there were MOSTLY the L.I. players.

9 players for FCA National that were there,
Turtles- Smithtown East - M - Hopkins
Turtles- Manhasset - A - Hopkins
Turtles- Smithtown East - FO/M - Ivy commit
Turtles- St.Anthony's - LSM - Bucknell
Turtles- Mt. Sinai - D - Hopkins
Turtles- Manhasset - LSM - Michigan
Turtles- Manhasset - M - North Carolina
Turtles- Smithtown East - A - Fairfield
Team 91- Cold Spring Harbor - A - Virginia

1 player for fl$ that were there,
Manhasset- A - Michigan

So all the above players are ON AGE.

Some may have been "legal" to play but are hold-backs according to their school districts ct off date. FACT!

They were ALL "legal" to play!!! They had to submit a birth certf.!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

oh my, what a bunch of babies - no wonder your kids can't compete, you want to sit back and have it handed to you. go out and compete against all the 2018's and stop crying. The colleges do not care how old you are they care about when you are graduating HS, when you plan on starting college, how good a player you are and how good a player you are going to be but never how old the kid is.

If your boy was able to compete against his own age you wouldn't have had to make the sleazy choice to re-class. Really should be called--class-less.

That is really what it comes down to- the reclassified kid could not make the cut against kids in his own age group. I think it sends such a sad message to the player, even if it is unintended and not spoken. Think about it, I think kids play it off as a cool thing, because you will hopefully gain something in the end, but everyone else looking in, well they are all thinking the same thing, he could not cut it, so he had no choice but to play with younger kids. In the end, not all reclassed kids will end up where they want, because unfortunately, it seems to be a growing trend, but coaches are not just looking for bigger, or more mature kids, they still have to have skill. What I really do not get, so if your skills are not up to par with your own class, and you drop down a year, or two- and get picked up by a college as an early recruit- aren't you going to spend a lot of time riding the bench in college or even HS once you are back with your own aged players or even when your "new" younger friends reach puberty, like you did a few years earlier. It just seems like it will even out in the end and the message sent, You were not good enough, so we played you with younger kids- will resonate in the back of the player's mind for years to come.

If you look at the year ahead of us. This past July in Denver for u15 Nat Championship, that tells you what 2017's are on age because you need a birth certf. to play.

Fact is, the NCAA D1 committed players that were there were MOSTLY the L.I. players.

9 players for FCA National that were there,
Turtles- Smithtown East - M - Hopkins
Turtles- Manhasset - A - Hopkins
Turtles- Smithtown East - FO/M - Ivy commit
Turtles- St.Anthony's - LSM - Bucknell
Turtles- Mt. Sinai - D - Hopkins
Turtles- Manhasset - LSM - Michigan
Turtles- Manhasset - M - North Carolina
Turtles- Smithtown East - A - Fairfield
Team 91- Cold Spring Harbor - A - Virginia

1 player for fl$ that were there,
Manhasset- A - Michigan

So all the above players are ON AGE.

Some may have been "legal" to play but are hold-backs according to their school districts ct off date. FACT!

They were ALL "legal" to play!!! They had to submit a birth certf.!!!

The kid in question is in 10th grade at St. Anthonys and playing down in 9th grade. That's cheating. He has yet to repeat or post graduate year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

oh my, what a bunch of babies - no wonder your kids can't compete, you want to sit back and have it handed to you. go out and compete against all the 2018's and stop crying. The colleges do not care how old you are they care about when you are graduating HS, when you plan on starting college, how good a player you are and how good a player you are going to be but never how old the kid is.

If your boy was able to compete against his own age you wouldn't have had to make the sleazy choice to re-class. Really should be called--class-less.

That is really what it comes down to- the reclassified kid could not make the cut against kids in his own age group. I think it sends such a sad message to the player, even if it is unintended and not spoken. Think about it, I think kids play it off as a cool thing, because you will hopefully gain something in the end, but everyone else looking in, well they are all thinking the same thing, he could not cut it, so he had no choice but to play with younger kids. In the end, not all reclassed kids will end up where they want, because unfortunately, it seems to be a growing trend, but coaches are not just looking for bigger, or more mature kids, they still have to have skill. What I really do not get, so if your skills are not up to par with your own class, and you drop down a year, or two- and get picked up by a college as an early recruit- aren't you going to spend a lot of time riding the bench in college or even HS once you are back with your own aged players or even when your "new" younger friends reach puberty, like you did a few years earlier. It just seems like it will even out in the end and the message sent, You were not good enough, so we played you with younger kids- will resonate in the back of the player's mind for years to come.

If you look at the year ahead of us. This past July in Denver for u15 Nat Championship, that tells you what 2017's are on age because you need a birth certf. to play.

Fact is, the NCAA D1 committed players that were there were MOSTLY the L.I. players.

9 players for FCA National that were there,
Turtles- Smithtown East - M - Hopkins
Turtles- Manhasset - A - Hopkins
Turtles- Smithtown East - FO/M - Ivy commit
Turtles- St.Anthony's - LSM - Bucknell
Turtles- Mt. Sinai - D - Hopkins
Turtles- Manhasset - LSM - Michigan
Turtles- Manhasset - M - North Carolina
Turtles- Smithtown East - A - Fairfield
Team 91- Cold Spring Harbor - A - Virginia

1 player for fl$ that were there,
Manhasset- A - Michigan

So all the above players are ON AGE.

Some may have been "legal" to play but are hold-backs according to their school districts ct off date. FACT!

They were ALL "legal" to play!!! They had to submit a birth certf.!!!

You are avoiding the point. NOT ALL WERE APPROPRIATE STARTS FOR THEIR BIRTHDATES. In case you don't understand what that means, here on LI they were playing year down in their districts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

oh my, what a bunch of babies - no wonder your kids can't compete, you want to sit back and have it handed to you. go out and compete against all the 2018's and stop crying. The colleges do not care how old you are they care about when you are graduating HS, when you plan on starting college, how good a player you are and how good a player you are going to be but never how old the kid is.

If your boy was able to compete against his own age you wouldn't have had to make the sleazy choice to re-class. Really should be called--class-less.

That is really what it comes down to- the reclassified kid could not make the cut against kids in his own age group. I think it sends such a sad message to the player, even if it is unintended and not spoken. Think about it, I think kids play it off as a cool thing, because you will hopefully gain something in the end, but everyone else looking in, well they are all thinking the same thing, he could not cut it, so he had no choice but to play with younger kids. In the end, not all reclassed kids will end up where they want, because unfortunately, it seems to be a growing trend, but coaches are not just looking for bigger, or more mature kids, they still have to have skill. What I really do not get, so if your skills are not up to par with your own class, and you drop down a year, or two- and get picked up by a college as an early recruit- aren't you going to spend a lot of time riding the bench in college or even HS once you are back with your own aged players or even when your "new" younger friends reach puberty, like you did a few years earlier. It just seems like it will even out in the end and the message sent, You were not good enough, so we played you with younger kids- will resonate in the back of the player's mind for years to come.

If you look at the year ahead of us. This past July in Denver for u15 Nat Championship, that tells you what 2017's are on age because you need a birth certf. to play.

Fact is, the NCAA D1 committed players that were there were MOSTLY the L.I. players.

9 players for FCA National that were there,
Turtles- Smithtown East - M - Hopkins
Turtles- Manhasset - A - Hopkins
Turtles- Smithtown East - FO/M - Ivy commit
Turtles- St.Anthony's - LSM - Bucknell
Turtles- Mt. Sinai - D - Hopkins
Turtles- Manhasset - LSM - Michigan
Turtles- Manhasset - M - North Carolina
Turtles- Smithtown East - A - Fairfield
Team 91- Cold Spring Harbor - A - Virginia

1 player for fl$ that were there,
Manhasset- A - Michigan

So all the above players are ON AGE.

Some may have been "legal" to play but are hold-backs according to their school districts ct off date. FACT!

They were ALL "legal" to play!!! They had to submit a birth certf.!!!

Lax cut off is aug 31. School cutoff is dec 1

I was actually referring to a well known public HS kid.

THAT'S the 2018 fl$ goalie!,,

Way to go Winkoff!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

oh my, what a bunch of babies - no wonder your kids can't compete, you want to sit back and have it handed to you. go out and compete against all the 2018's and stop crying. The colleges do not care how old you are they care about when you are graduating HS, when you plan on starting college, how good a player you are and how good a player you are going to be but never how old the kid is.

If your boy was able to compete against his own age you wouldn't have had to make the sleazy choice to re-class. Really should be called--class-less.

great reply except I made the original post and my son is a 2018 born in 2000 - he didn't reclassify, he is competing against his own age and kids a year older and doing fine thank you, I just think kids have every right to reclassify.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lax cut off is aug 31. School cutoff is dec 1

now you are just proving to all of us that you are a jackwad. so now you have a problem with a kid that is between 1 day and 3 months older? I am sure you are talking about a lot of kids on ever team now. I can think of at least 5 lax kids in my home town that fall into this category. On behalf of every jock on this site we are sorry we were better athletes then you in high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lax cut off is aug 31. School cutoff is dec 1

now you are just proving to all of us that you are a jackwad. so now you have a problem with a kid that is between 1 day and 3 months older? I am sure you are talking about a lot of kids on ever team now. I can think of at least 5 lax kids in my home town that fall into this category. On behalf of every jock on this site we are sorry we were better athletes then you in high school.

Rules are rules, guess they don't apply to everyone!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lax cut off is aug 31. School cutoff is dec 1

now you are just proving to all of us that you are a jackwad. so now you have a problem with a kid that is between 1 day and 3 months older? I am sure you are talking about a lot of kids on ever team now. I can think of at least 5 lax kids in my home town that fall into this category. On behalf of every jock on this site we are sorry we were better athletes then you in high school.

Rules are rules, guess they don't apply to everyone!

Most states have SCHOOL cut off at Aug 31st. For some reason NY lets 4 year olds start Kindergarten. When you are in Kindergarten at 4, all the 5 year olds are getting college looks for Ring Around The Rosie. Not fair!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lax cut off is aug 31. School cutoff is dec 1

now you are just proving to all of us that you are a jackwad. so now you have a problem with a kid that is between 1 day and 3 months older? I am sure you are talking about a lot of kids on ever team now. I can think of at least 5 lax kids in my home town that fall into this category. On behalf of every jock on this site we are sorry we were better athletes then you in high school.

Rules are rules, guess they don't apply to everyone!

Most states have SCHOOL cut off at Aug 31st. For some reason NY lets 4 year olds start Kindergarten. When you are in Kindergarten at 4, all the 5 year olds are getting college looks for Ring Around The Rosie. Not fair!

Still doesn't mean you get to change the rules because you don't like them!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still doesn't mean you get to change the rules because you don't like them!

That is actually exactly what it means. The rules are soft. A parent who decided in August of 2004 that their child born in October of 1999 was not yet ready for kindergarten is not a cheater. Their child in now a 2018 and will compete against your son. This kid can actually reclassify and graduate as a 2019 and still be legal to play as a HS senior

I don't like it anymore than you. My son was born spring 2000 and is a 2018. He tries hard. I do not make excuses for him. If he beats out an older boy great. If not too bad. He will learn from his losses. I will not blame others and call them cheaters when they are not.

I do not know wheteher my strategy will be better in the long run or not. Maybe your "cheaters" are just parents trying to do right by their kids and they are just as unsure of themselves as you and I. This is not a black and white topic.

the issue is not with school cut off dates. parents that chose one or the other 10 years ago are the the problem. It is the parents and the boys that are reclassing in 8th or 9th grade that are the issue.

PG, I don't have any issue with that either, there is no stigma for a boy that need to go to a prep school for a year to get his grades up to get into harvard...

It is the parents that game the system to get their child to compete against younger boys specifically for the purpose of getting a lax spto that is the problem.

starting kindergarden late and taking a pg year are very different issues ussually made in conjunction with much thought and advice of school officials. But to have little johny repeat 8th or 9th grade for a shot at early recruiting is just sleazy and you know it.

This crap was on the 2017 thread last year. It is a beaten horse and it won't change. Give it a rest already.

great to see some rational posts here on this topic. I too think it is not cheating, I think it is kinda creepy if it is only being done because of lacrosse and I would not do it with my kid but i do not think it is cheating it is working the system to your advantage and one way or the other most people do that when they can.

Kind of creepy? of course they are cheating and they know it. The edge is only for a few years, after the playing filed is level, true athletes don't need the edge. Good luck to the cheaters, they will need it

2017 goalie in 10th grade at
St.Anthony's playing on a 2018 fl$ team. Is going to supposedly repeat 12th grade. How is this not cheating. Repeat a year then play with the younger age group or PG and be a year older than the average freshman. What this player and his parents are doing is cheating. Come on please explain to me how what this player is doing isn't cheating. PG and repeating are fine. Saying you will repeat at a future date is B.S.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 goalie in 10th grade at
St.Anthony's playing on a 2018 fl$ team. Is going to supposedly repeat 12th grade. How is this not cheating. Repeat a year then play with the younger age group or PG and be a year older than the average freshman. What this player and his parents are doing is cheating. Come on please explain to me how what this player is doing isn't cheating. PG and repeating are fine. Saying you will repeat at a future date is B.S.

I don't condone it. However, lacrosse is obviously a sport where anything goes. Just call yourself whatever you want and play wherever you want. No rules, no regulations. The problem is systemic and is getting out of control. Makes you think, why not take the same liberties? I think I'll have my 6'2" 174LB 2017 who runs like a dear, drop down to 2019 for 3d. Why not? I'll just say he's going to re-class this year and PG. I could say anything, it doesn't matter, no rules. If anyone complains, I'll just tell them to stop whining and deal with it. They said you could sign up for whatever grade you want. It really is that simple.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kind of creepy? of course they are cheating and they know it. The edge is only for a few years, after the playing filed is level, true athletes don't need the edge. Good luck to the cheaters, they will need it

the "edge" for a few years is all they need, that "edge" will be in 8th-9th and 10th grade when they commit to a school for lacrosse after that they don't care if others catch up they are already committed to the school of their dreams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 goalie in 10th grade at
St.Anthony's playing on a 2018 fl$ team. Is going to supposedly repeat 12th grade. How is this not cheating. Repeat a year then play with the younger age group or PG and be a year older than the average freshman. What this player and his parents are doing is cheating. Come on please explain to me how what this player is doing isn't cheating. PG and repeating are fine. Saying you will repeat at a future date is B.S.

I don't condone it but it makes sense to me, if he is going to start his freshman year in college in September of 2018 then even though he is currently in 10th grade he should be competing in 2018 events because the college coaches want to see him compete against other kids in his incoming class to evaluate him against his future freshman peers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we move the club specific conversation ot the club pages. Fall Freshman year is a no joke season for recruiting. My son and I are completely lost.

Our Club is going to what I think are good events. Can somebody please list/rank the Fall 2014 events for 2018 CLub teams and your view on priority ranking. I think Philly Freshman (team event on Sunday) is tops but not sure. Is the fl$ 3d fall event a good event?

For individuals:
Philly Freshman (Saturday individual) - is thie number one as well?
Jake Reed Fall - in Charlotte and same weekend as Philly
Inside Lacrosse Regional - This is only one month away and is also in North Carolina. Is anyone going?

I don't know what else is out there. Please share opinions.

With a limited budget we wnat to make sure we go to the right events.

Before anyone goes nuts, below is just one man's opinion...
Fall Individual:
1. Freshman Philly
2. Jake Reed, but same weekend as Philly. If invited to both, must go to Philly. If not go to JR
3. Legacy, NE Fall 120 Showcase, Loaded with D1 coaches.
4. Nat 175
5. K&J, Island Uprising, others
Also, cannot underestimate the value of individual College Prospect days for schools your son has interest in, or for those who have shown interest in your son.
Personally, my son is doing 2or3 showcases 2or3 tourns and a couple of school prospect days. Which by the way is way too much. However, with college prospect days, tourns and showcases your son could be playing every weekend from mid Sept to December. Crazy.

Where can one find the info on prospect days.

If your son did any recruiting level events this past summer, he must have received emails. Check his email box. They have been coming for a while. Not bragging, just whats happening.

tweets from @ilinvitational begging clubs to nominate players to their showcase which is 1.5 weeks away. Trying hard not be a hater but this is definitely a buyer beware type of communication.

My son just turned 19 last week. He is two years out of high school.
If I left him back in kinder garden and reclassified him in 8th grade he would be playing his senior year.
It would be a man playing against boys- plain and simple

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 goalie in 10th grade at
St.Anthony's playing on a 2018 fl$ team. Is going to supposedly repeat 12th grade. How is this not cheating. Repeat a year then play with the younger age group or PG and be a year older than the average freshman. What this player and his parents are doing is cheating. Come on please explain to me how what this player is doing isn't cheating. PG and repeating are fine. Saying you will repeat at a future date is B.S.

I don't condone it but it makes sense to me, if he is going to start his freshman year in college in September of 2018 then even though he is currently in 10th grade he should be competing in 2018 events because the college coaches want to see him compete against other kids in his incoming class to evaluate him against his future freshman peers

But he hasn't reclassified yet!!!!! That's the thing. He has yet to do so. He is reaping all the benefits with out putting in the actual sacrifice. The stigma with actually repeating a year is tough to handle. What happens if he doesn't reclassify. Stranger things have happened. fl$ I want you to know my 2018 will be repeating and doing a PG so I want him playing 2020 next year. Think about it people.

I think you are overstating the reclassify "stigma". Those in the lax world completely understand that it's a response to early recruiting. In the past a kid that didn't like the looks he was getting would PG. Now college coaches at recruiting seminars are telling parents not to PG unless you have an offer in hand prior to doing so. Outside of the lax world, I'm sure people assume the reclassify kids are poor students or have social issues - but that's because they are uneducated about the process. I try my hardest to not make decisions based upon other peoples' uneducated opinions.

And if your 2018 plays with 2020 and gets an offer to the 2020 class he would actually have to reclassify and PG. To my knowledge, I have not seen a situation where a kid plays down to shine against much younger competition and then commits to their original grad year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 goalie in 10th grade at
St.Anthony's playing on a 2018 fl$ team. Is going to supposedly repeat 12th grade. How is this not cheating. Repeat a year then play with the younger age group or PG and be a year older than the average freshman. What this player and his parents are doing is cheating. Come on please explain to me how what this player is doing isn't cheating. PG and repeating are fine. Saying you will repeat at a future date is B.S.

I don't condone it but it makes sense to me, if he is going to start his freshman year in college in September of 2018 then even though he is currently in 10th grade he should be competing in 2018 events because the college coaches want to see him compete against other kids in his incoming class to evaluate him against his future freshman peers

But he hasn't reclassified yet!!!!! That's the thing. He has yet to do so. He is reaping all the benefits with out putting in the actual sacrifice. The stigma with actually repeating a year is tough to handle. What happens if he doesn't reclassify. Stranger things have happened. fl$ I want you to know my 2018 will be repeating and doing a PG so I want him playing 2020 next year. Think about it people.

I saw a kid play 2017 in one tourney and commit as 2016 a few weeks later. I agree this is crazy. If you have already repeated the grade, fine, if you plan on it in the future play with your current grad year. In hockey you play at birth year. Certainly they all play juniors if they want to go D1 but players make the choice to play up, never down. I foresee lawsuits when a 200 lb 17 year old seriously injures a small 15 year old. Most of the time the kids who are playing down are not skilled, think they are better than they really are and they will end up hurting someone.

Guess what I am jealous of no one my age appropriate son has a couple of top D1 offers and he's not even big for his age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you are overstating the reclassify "stigma". Those in the lax world completely understand that it's a response to early recruiting. In the past a kid that didn't like the looks he was getting would PG. Now college coaches at recruiting seminars are telling parents not to PG unless you have an offer in hand prior to doing so. Outside of the lax world, I'm sure people assume the reclassify kids are poor students or have social issues - but that's because they are uneducated about the process. I try my hardest to not make decisions based upon other peoples' uneducated opinions.

And if your 2018 plays with 2020 and gets an offer to the 2020 class he would actually have to reclassify and PG. To my knowledge, I have not seen a situation where a kid plays down to shine against much younger competition and then commits to their original grad year.

No issue with a re-class year or PG. I understand it extremely well. But don't say you will do it it in the future and play down. If a 2017 repeats 9th and plays with 9th graders thats fine. Playing by the rules. This example is a 10th Grader still in 10th grade playing down with 9th graders.

Congrats on your kid's offers. That must be quite a relief! If you don't mind sharing, I was wondering about how multiple d1 offers works. I assume he is a 2018. Has he gotten any pressure to commit? From what I have heard if you are one of their first offers you have more time to commit than if you are one of the last to receive an offer. I've also heard stories about kids getting offers that "expire" quickly (a few weeks) and that seems a lot of pressure for a kid that young considering how important a decision it is. Any info you are comfortable sharing would be really helpful and very much appreciated.

Wow that is wrong they cut there 2018 goalie.
He got cut for an older kid who might re classify

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow that is wrong they cut there 2018 goalie.
He got cut for an older kid who might re classify

Who are you talking about?

fl$

Even better.. fl$ 2018 had two goalies and they cut the stronger one. The one they kept is besties with the fl$ director's family... yeah fl$ is soo much more ethical than all the other clubs. Please.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This crap was on the 2017 thread last year. It is a beaten horse and it won't change. Give it a rest already.

Give it a rest, why?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Even better.. fl$ 2018 had two goalies and they cut the stronger one. The one they kept is besties with the fl$ director's family... yeah fl$ is soo much more ethical than all the other clubs. Please.

No they kept the right one. Sorry but the one they cut was good a few years back but has been on a steady decline. Never showed to practice and really didn't care about being there for the team. Seemed disinterested.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's not forget the Express goalie who is now a 2019. Even after he got into Chaminade. What a [lacrosse]....That is the parents !!!

Yeah but he would never play with the other Express goalie there. So he figured to get playing time he would have to reclassify. At least he reclassified. The kid in 10th grade who is playing on FLGs 9th grade or 2018 Team is still in 10th grade at St. Anthony's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This crap was on the 2017 thread last year. It is a beaten horse and it won't change. Give it a rest already.

Give it a rest, why?

Don't worry...tons of spots available. Granted the reclassified swill get a share, but the deserving true age kids will garner what they deserve. Happened for 2017 and will for 2018

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's not forget the Express goalie who is now a 2019. Even after he got into Chaminade. What a [lacrosse]....That is the parents !!!

not sure if you can be a "[lacrosse]" and have been excepted to Chaminade, they offer many languages at Chaminade but I doubt Yiddish is one of them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's not forget the Express goalie who is now a 2019. Even after he got into Chaminade. What a [lacrosse]....That is the parents !!!

Mr. Miller, I think board rules would be to not call out a 14 year old with a personal attack.

[lacrosse]
ˈpəts,ˈpo͝ots/
North Americaninformal
noun
noun: [lacrosse]; plural noun: putzes

1.
a stupid or worthless person.

also Yiddish for Penis - take it down

Kid is a great kid, parents wonderful people. They are doing what is best for their kid, none of your business. I'm sure there were multiple factors, lacrosse being one of them. You don't have the stones to do it with your kid so you're upset, get a life, who calls a 14 year old kid a name like [lacrosse]? Probably a 45 year old [lacrosse]...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kid is a great kid, parents wonderful people. They are doing what is best for their kid, none of your business. I'm sure there were multiple factors, lacrosse being one of them. You don't have the stones to do it with your kid so you're upset, get a life, who calls a 14 year old kid a name like [lacrosse]? Probably a 45 year old [lacrosse]...

You see, that's where you're wrong. It becomes other peoples business when a kid has an UNFAIR ADVANTAGE!! Wonderful people don't take advantage of others. I'm not blaming the kid, I'm sure he is very nice, and is a great player.

Yean but this kid reclassified the fl$ kid did not. He is cheating- if he plays 2018 this year while being a sophomore in high school. Matter of fact the team is cheating, just like team long island did last year when they played 2018 tournaments with 2017 players.
There is no way around it is cheating

FACT: The decision that the parents of the NOW 2019 Goalie playing for the Express A team, who was the 2018 goalie for years, did it to give their son an advantage.

FACT: The boy made Chaminade after taking the 2014 CHSEE exam. So no academic deficiency there.

FACT: No physical size deficiency.

FACT: Not as good as the current 2018 Express goalie, or he would be starting, playing and finishing each and every game.

FACT: Chaminade coaches are Express connected.

Keeping back the boy to now and reclassify him as a 2019 goalie gives him the advantage to play on the Freshman team, on the JV team as a sophomore and he will sit behind the Sr. goalie in his junior year.

Express was aware of this decision, Chaminade was aware of this decision.

I hope the boy has big shoulders to burden this load-everyone in the lacrosse community on LOng Island knows.... his current 2019 teammates know, his 2018 teammates know, the other clubs
know........

NOT FAIR ..... NOT FAIR.......

Do not respond that life is unfair. I am aware. I am just pointing out what some people might not know.

If it is fair to reclassify your son, it is fair to let everyone know about it.

That is a good thing. He is in the 10th grade at St.A's. He is in the 9th gr/2018 playing club lax.

He is not taking playing time away from another 10th gr classmate at St. A's.

It makes a difference

Better get your Son into Maverick Showtime. Only 2017 and 2018. By far the premier event. Shocked it wasn't on your list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FACT: The decision that the parents of the NOW 2019 Goalie playing for the Express A team, who was the 2018 goalie for years, did it to give their son an advantage.

FACT: The boy made Chaminade after taking the 2014 CHSEE exam. So no academic deficiency there.

FACT: No physical size deficiency.

FACT: Not as good as the current 2018 Express goalie, or he would be starting, playing and finishing each and every game.

FACT: Chaminade coaches are Express connected.

Keeping back the boy to now and reclassify him as a 2019 goalie gives him the advantage to play on the Freshman team, on the JV team as a sophomore and he will sit behind the Sr. goalie in his junior year.

Express was aware of this decision, Chaminade was aware of this decision.

I hope the boy has big shoulders to burden this load-everyone in the lacrosse community on LOng Island knows.... his current 2019 teammates know, his 2018 teammates know, the other clubs
know........

NOT FAIR ..... NOT FAIR.......

Do not respond that life is unfair. I am aware. I am just pointing out what some people might not know.

If it is fair to reclassify your son, it is fair to let everyone know about it.

Parents are a disgrace for allowing this. Just terrible!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FACT: The decision that the parents of the NOW 2019 Goalie playing for the Express A team, who was the 2018 goalie for years, did it to give their son an advantage.

FACT: The boy made Chaminade after taking the 2014 CHSEE exam. So no academic deficiency there.

FACT: No physical size deficiency.

FACT: Not as good as the current 2018 Express goalie, or he would be starting, playing and finishing each and every game.

FACT: Chaminade coaches are Express connected.

Keeping back the boy to now and reclassify him as a 2019 goalie gives him the advantage to play on the Freshman team, on the JV team as a sophomore and he will sit behind the Sr. goalie in his junior year.

Express was aware of this decision, Chaminade was aware of this decision.

I hope the boy has big shoulders to burden this load-everyone in the lacrosse community on LOng Island knows.... his current 2019 teammates know, his 2018 teammates know, the other clubs
know........

NOT FAIR ..... NOT FAIR.......

Do not respond that life is unfair. I am aware. I am just pointing out what some people might not know.

If it is fair to reclassify your son, it is fair to let everyone know about it.

Fact: You are making anonymous posts on a public forum about something that is none of your business.

Fact: You are making anonymous posts on a public forum about a situation and declaring facts on what is your opinion.

Fact: you are a jack A$$

-peter ochs (not anonymous)

Ps. please let us know who you are so we can scrutinize your personal decision on a public forum anonymously and pass judgement on you.

FACT: Nowhere does it state 2018 is current freshmen in HS

FACT: 2018 is the classification for boys who will arrive on college campuses in the Fall of 2018. It means nothing else.

FACT: When recruiters are looking at 2018s they are trying to figure out which boys will be on their roster for the 2019-2022 seasons (maybe 2023 if they assume a red shirt year)

FACT: Recruiters are not idiots. They are well aware that a 16 year old has a temporary physical advantage over a 14 year old that will pretty much disappear when the boys are 20 and 18 respectively

FACT: I still think the parents who hold their kids back are jerks

FACT: beginning each line I write with FACT: makes writing fun

Female player parent here. Fact is a fact. Male or female. Nothing harmful was mentioned. Just the facts. If you do not like the facts that is OK. No one asked you to like them.

Fact is a fact. Kid played for 2018. Parents held kid back now playing 2019.

Club Coaches and school are aware.

Nothing harmful stated.

Player is aware of status. Friends are aware of status.

Now everyone reading this post is aware.

FACT

Fact and I quote a division one collage coach. If the payers are equal I will take the older one every time because he will have an advantage his whole collage career.
It does not even out a 26 year old will have greater potential than an 22 year old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Female player parent here. Fact is a fact. Male or female. Nothing harmful was mentioned. Just the facts. If you do not like the facts that is OK. No one asked you to like them.

Fact is a fact. Kid played for 2018. Parents held kid back now playing 2019.

Club Coaches and school are aware.

Nothing harmful stated.

Player is aware of status. Friends are aware of status.

Now everyone reading this post is aware.

FACT

If your daughter is a 2018 you have a few personal decisions to be making right about now, have you had her get the HPV vaccine? need to do that before..... Are you thinking of having her going on the pill so she can control her menstrual cycle to avoid having her period during important times like playoffs or showcases, these are all decisions that my family made for our daughter without the input, help or judgment of the anonymous BOTC community, so please let us know so we too can pass judgement on your personal parenting decisions.

How can you think that this cyber bullying is OK?

Fact: calling a 14 year old a [lacrosse] is cyber bullying

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FACT: The decision that the parents of the NOW 2019 Goalie playing for the Express A team, who was the 2018 goalie for years, did it to give their son an advantage.

FACT: The boy made Chaminade after taking the 2014 CHSEE exam. So no academic deficiency there.

FACT: No physical size deficiency.

FACT: Not as good as the current 2018 Express goalie, or he would be starting, playing and finishing each and every game.

FACT: Chaminade coaches are Express connected.

Keeping back the boy to now and reclassify him as a 2019 goalie gives him the advantage to play on the Freshman team, on the JV team as a sophomore and he will sit behind the Sr. goalie in his junior year.

Express was aware of this decision, Chaminade was aware of this decision.

I hope the boy has big shoulders to burden this load-everyone in the lacrosse community on LOng Island knows.... his current 2019 teammates know, his 2018 teammates know, the other clubs
know........

NOT FAIR ..... NOT FAIR.......

Do not respond that life is unfair. I am aware. I am just pointing out what some people might not know.

If it is fair to reclassify your son, it is fair to let everyone know about it.

Fact: You are making anonymous posts on a public forum about something that is none of your business.

Fact: You are making anonymous posts on a public forum about a situation and declaring facts on what is your opinion.

Fact: you are a jack A$$

-peter ochs (not anonymous)

Ps. please let us know who you are so we can scrutinize your personal decision on a public forum anonymously and pass judgement on you.

Fact: kid and his parents are cheating low life losers. Great example how to teach your kid how to cheat to get ahead. We all know how that turns out for most people.

Fact: it is none of you business, move on, PLEASE, so we can talk about what matters most, how Terps and 91 will dominate this coming season.

It matters to the 2019 goalie who would like a chance to PLAY at Chaminade HS. Those 2019 goalies are now facing the fact that another boy is there for them to contend with. A boy whose parents know, coaches know and worst of all the Chaminade coaches know should have entered the school this September.

SHAME SHAME SHAME

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FACT: The decision that the parents of the NOW 2019 Goalie playing for the Express A team, who was the 2018 goalie for years, did it to give their son an advantage.

FACT: The boy made Chaminade after taking the 2014 CHSEE exam. So no academic deficiency there.

FACT: No physical size deficiency.

FACT: Not as good as the current 2018 Express goalie, or he would be starting, playing and finishing each and every game.

FACT: Chaminade coaches are Express connected.

Keeping back the boy to now and reclassify him as a 2019 goalie gives him the advantage to play on the Freshman team, on the JV team as a sophomore and he will sit behind the Sr. goalie in his junior year.

Express was aware of this decision, Chaminade was aware of this decision.

I hope the boy has big shoulders to burden this load-everyone in the lacrosse community on LOng Island knows.... his current 2019 teammates know, his 2018 teammates know, the other clubs
know........

NOT FAIR ..... NOT FAIR.......

Do not respond that life is unfair. I am aware. I am just pointing out what some people might not know.

If it is fair to reclassify your son, it is fair to let everyone know about it.

Fact: You are making anonymous posts on a public forum about something that is none of your business.

Fact: You are making anonymous posts on a public forum about a situation and declaring facts on what is your opinion.

Fact: you are a jack A$$

-peter ochs (not anonymous)

Ps. please let us know who you are so we can scrutinize your personal decision on a public forum anonymously and pass judgement on you.

Fact: kid and his parents are cheating low life losers. Great example how to teach your kid how to cheat to get ahead. We all know how that turns out for most people.

Fact: it is none of you business, move on, PLEASE, so we can talk about what matters most, how Terps and 91 will dominate this coming season.

No, let's continue discussing the cheating, much more entertaining.

Players should not be on this forum. This is for adults. No child should be called names.
The parents did what would benefit their son.

Great.

Know they just took away the spot which would go to a true 2019 player.

Thank you for clarifying and making us all aware that your kid isn't a top recruit. Your apparent effort of public shaming is pathetic. I would love to pass judgement on you and your children and family. But I won't because it's not anyone's business but your own. You just don't want to get it. Just because a kid reclassifies you think he's jumping over your kid. The truth is they have already been indentified as a top player period. Doesn't matter what age they play with. Lax skills, lax IQ And most importantly grades are the most important things a coach looks at. He can tell whose a D1 top recruit, 2nd tier right down the line. Then he will see where he would fit in. FOR THE MOST PART COACHES JUST HAVE NO PLACE for old 17 or young 18 yr old freshman. If your kid is that good you will know by now, you will know what schools are interested, and you will know where he fits. Now put that fact in your hat!!

Blah. Blah. Blah. Tell your kid to study and be a stud in the classroom. Because the party is over with using lax to get into dream school. The secret is out and the rest of the country changed the recruiting process and timeline forever. If you don't like it then do something about it. For for the love of God, stop crying and acting like the bully that you are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FACT: The decision that the parents of the NOW 2019 Goalie playing for the Express A team, who was the 2018 goalie for years, did it to give their son an advantage.

FACT: The boy made Chaminade after taking the 2014 CHSEE exam. So no academic deficiency there.

FACT: No physical size deficiency.

FACT: Not as good as the current 2018 Express goalie, or he would be starting, playing and finishing each and every game.

FACT: Chaminade coaches are Express connected.

Keeping back the boy to now and reclassify him as a 2019 goalie gives him the advantage to play on the Freshman team, on the JV team as a sophomore and he will sit behind the Sr. goalie in his junior year.

Express was aware of this decision, Chaminade was aware of this decision.

I hope the boy has big shoulders to burden this load-everyone in the lacrosse community on LOng Island knows.... his current 2019 teammates know, his 2018 teammates know, the other clubs
know........

NOT FAIR ..... NOT FAIR.......

Do not respond that life is unfair. I am aware. I am just pointing out what some people might not know.

If it is fair to reclassify your son, it is fair to let everyone know about it.

Fact: You are making anonymous posts on a public forum about something that is none of your business.

Fact: You are making anonymous posts on a public forum about a situation and declaring facts on what is your opinion.

Fact: you are a jack A$$

-peter ochs (not anonymous)

Ps. please let us know who you are so we can scrutinize your personal decision on a public forum anonymously and pass judgement on you.

Fact: kid and his parents are cheating low life losers. Great example how to teach your kid how to cheat to get ahead. We all know how that turns out for most people.

Do you need a hanky?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what do people think about reclassified players and some that say they are reclassifying at a latter date so they can take a players spot. Example a player born in 1999 and in 10th grade says he's going to repeat Senior year so his grad year is now 2018 not 2017. This player now goes out for 2018 grade year teams and takes spot of player in that grade. This player has yet to reclassify. Is this fair and should it be allowed.

Who cares. It has been going on since fire and the wheel was invented. Do you really want to hear people whine. Apparently it works and advantages a player to fulfill his/her goal/dream of playing on a D1 team. So nothing that will change that and we shouldn't judge. And no I don't have a hold back.

I really wish people would have listened to my response (above) to the orginal poster. Move on, you'll never agree, so what's the point? Einstein said "the definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result"

Fact: The parents moved their son because he was not good enough to outshine the current freshman goalie.

It is a dog eat dog world.

Teaching survival of the fittest????? I think not.

Let parents fix things for you.

That is the way to get through life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FACT: The decision that the parents of the NOW 2019 Goalie playing for the Express A team, who was the 2018 goalie for years, did it to give their son an advantage.

FACT: The boy made Chaminade after taking the 2014 CHSEE exam. So no academic deficiency there.

FACT: No physical size deficiency.

FACT: Not as good as the current 2018 Express goalie, or he would be starting, playing and finishing each and every game.

FACT: Chaminade coaches are Express connected.

Keeping back the boy to now and reclassify him as a 2019 goalie gives him the advantage to play on the Freshman team, on the JV team as a sophomore and he will sit behind the Sr. goalie in his junior year.

Express was aware of this decision, Chaminade was aware of this decision.

I hope the boy has big shoulders to burden this load-everyone in the lacrosse community on LOng Island knows.... his current 2019 teammates know, his 2018 teammates know, the other clubs
know........

NOT FAIR ..... NOT FAIR.......

Do not respond that life is unfair. I am aware. I am just pointing out what some people might not know.

If it is fair to reclassify your son, it is fair to let everyone know about it.

Fact: You are making anonymous posts on a public forum about something that is none of your business.

Fact: You are making anonymous posts on a public forum about a situation and declaring facts on what is your opinion.

Fact: you are a jack A$$

-peter ochs (not anonymous)

Ps. please let us know who you are so we can scrutinize your personal decision on a public forum anonymously and pass judgement on you.

Fact: kid and his parents are cheating low life losers. Great example how to teach your kid how to cheat to get ahead. We all know how that turns out for most people.

Do you need a hanky?

Obviously mean for the original cry baby and not the sensible person above.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FACT: The decision that the parents of the NOW 2019 Goalie playing for the Express A team, who was the 2018 goalie for years, did it to give their son an advantage.

FACT: The boy made Chaminade after taking the 2014 CHSEE exam. So no academic deficiency there.

FACT: No physical size deficiency.

FACT: Not as good as the current 2018 Express goalie, or he would be starting, playing and finishing each and every game.

FACT: Chaminade coaches are Express connected.

Keeping back the boy to now and reclassify him as a 2019 goalie gives him the advantage to play on the Freshman team, on the JV team as a sophomore and he will sit behind the Sr. goalie in his junior year.

Express was aware of this decision, Chaminade was aware of this decision.

I hope the boy has big shoulders to burden this load-everyone in the lacrosse community on LOng Island knows.... his current 2019 teammates know, his 2018 teammates know, the other clubs
know........

NOT FAIR ..... NOT FAIR.......

Do not respond that life is unfair. I am aware. I am just pointing out what some people might not know.

If it is fair to reclassify your son, it is fair to let everyone know about it.

Fact: You are making anonymous posts on a public forum about something that is none of your business.

Fact: You are making anonymous posts on a public forum about a situation and declaring facts on what is your opinion.

Fact: you are a jack A$$

-peter ochs (not anonymous)

Ps. please let us know who you are so we can scrutinize your personal decision on a public forum anonymously and pass judgement on you.

Fact: kid and his parents are cheating low life losers. Great example how to teach your kid how to cheat to get ahead. We all know how that turns out for most people.

Fact: it is none of you business, move on, PLEASE, so we can talk about what matters most, how Terps and 91 will dominate this coming season.

No, let's continue discussing the cheating, much more entertaining.

Sorry for straying from the all consuming discussion of re-classed goalies but am curious was there any turnover on either the Terps or Extreme? Are they basically the same teams from last year or did they drop/add kids?

It is everyone's business when a family makes the decision to cheat. The more people who know the more we can embarrass and ridicule the kid and family every chance we get. I just don't get the entitlement attitude some people have. Terrible role models!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is everyone's business when a family makes the decision to cheat. The more people who know the more we can embarrass and ridicule the kid and family every chance we get. I just don't get the entitlement attitude some people have. Terrible role models!

Sure you get the entitlement attitude. If a college coach says to repeat or hold back or pg you do it, regardless of what your thoughts were prior to that. You buy in to the intoxicating feeling that the coach is really right - if you just re classify you will be so much better than the kid who is in the natural grade behind you. But since everyone is doing this now it must be ok. People compromise so they feel better about themselves or only have remorse that they did not do it sooner.

No issue with a PG year....in many ways that is a sacrifice for the kid and financially for the parents.

I hate the fact that Chaminade takes kids who have repeated 8th grade and lets them re-classify. That is totally different and as a graduate of the school I think it is beneath what Chaminade is all about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is everyone's business when a family makes the decision to cheat. The more people who know the more we can embarrass and ridicule the kid and family every chance we get. I just don't get the entitlement attitude some people have. Terrible role models!

I do not have a son who is a holdback, PG, or will ever be. However, you are a total lowlife with your comment above and need to get a life. Way too overboard with your comments. Focus on something else more positive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is everyone's business when a family makes the decision to cheat. The more people who know the more we can embarrass and ridicule the kid and family every chance we get. I just don't get the entitlement attitude some people have. Terrible role models!

I do not have a son who is a holdback, PG, or will ever be. However, you are a total lowlife with your comment above and need to get a life. Way too overboard with your comments. Focus on something else more positive.

You're an imbecile. You're infantile comments are but a microcosm of what's ailing this country. There are no absolutes anymore, no right or wrong. Any thing goes, damn the people who point out the culprits. They're the problem right? Such a sick upside down society. Sorry, I agree with poster above. Parents and their kids should be made a spectacle for this type of behavior. I'll tell you one thing, the on age player does not like this one bit! Ask them if they think it's right or wrong? I can only go by my son's reaction to it all. He played in a showcase last summer. During one of the games he absolutely leveled a kid. I asked him after the game: Why did you hit that kid so hard? He said, "because he reclassified." "I wanted him to know it wasn't going to be easy playing against us younger kids."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is everyone's business when a family makes the decision to cheat. The more people who know the more we can embarrass and ridicule the kid and family every chance we get. I just don't get the entitlement attitude some people have. Terrible role models!

I do not have a son who is a holdback, PG, or will ever be. However, you are a total lowlife with your comment above and need to get a life. Way too overboard with your comments. Focus on something else more positive.

Go beat your wife or your dog angry person. Thank God you are not a parent on my kid's team as you seem like a real a-hole. While I think your point is fine, your righteousness and anger over a LACROSSE issue where the writer said "The more people who know the more we can embarrass and ridicule the kid and family every chance we get". Read that again - ridicule the kid (a 14 or 15 year old by the way). Get a life punk.

You're an imbecile. You're infantile comments are but a microcosm of what's ailing this country. There are no absolutes anymore, no right or wrong. Any thing goes, damn the people who point out the culprits. They're the problem right? Such a sick upside down society. Sorry, I agree with poster above. Parents and their kids should be made a spectacle for this type of behavior. I'll tell you one thing, the on age player does not like this one bit! Ask them if they think it's right or wrong? I can only go by my son's reaction to it all. He played in a showcase last summer. During one of the games he absolutely leveled a kid. I asked him after the game: Why did you hit that kid so hard? He said, "because he reclassified." "I wanted him to know it wasn't going to be easy playing against us younger kids."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is everyone's business when a family makes the decision to cheat. The more people who know the more we can embarrass and ridicule the kid and family every chance we get. I just don't get the entitlement attitude some people have. Terrible role models!

I do not have a son who is a holdback, PG, or will ever be. However, you are a total lowlife with your comment above and need to get a life. Way too overboard with your comments. Focus on something else more positive.

You're an imbecile. You're infantile comments are but a microcosm of what's ailing this country. There are no absolutes anymore, no right or wrong. Any thing goes, damn the people who point out the culprits. They're the problem right? Such a sick upside down society. Sorry, I agree with poster above. Parents and their kids should be made a spectacle for this type of behavior. I'll tell you one thing, the on age player does not like this one bit! Ask them if they think it's right or wrong? I can only go by my son's reaction to it all. He played in a showcase last summer. During one of the games he absolutely leveled a kid. I asked him after the game: Why did you hit that kid so hard? He said, "because he reclassified." "I wanted him to know it wasn't going to be easy playing against us younger kids."

Great example. I have been always neutral on this topic. However, if you reclassify your son to protect him, I think you have a valid reason.

I think it is risky to reclassify a goalie. Size does not always make a difference. Lots of good kids out there that might not play for big named clubs. Won't that be a kick in the a.. when another 2019 kid could steal the starting spot on the Freshman or JV team. What happens when a 2020 kid comes along when the kid is a senior and robs him of the senior spot. I doubt Chaminade would let you repeat again and for that matter- I am disappointed that Chaminade would accept a kid that purposefully was held back for athletics. Was this family already told that this kid would be accepted for the 2019 year?

Well stated.

Your son is my son's new hero!!!!

Great for your son for sticking up for himself and his game.

Congratulations on raising a man.

Your son is a boy I would be proud to call my son's friend.

What about the goalie who now will not have a chance to play for Chaminade because this boy is repeating the 8th grade.

Remember, the Chaminade coaches are aware he is coming. They both play for their club team.

A kid standing up for what is right. You should be proud of your son.

Good, old fashion taking care of business.

Refreshing.

Yes. Chose not to go to CHaminade this September because the current 2019 goalie is great.

I second that!

My old HS & College coaches feel the same way.

No morals+no ethics=cheating loser.
Parents are the worst examples, dispicable!

You have no regard for anyone but yourselves. How are you even aloud in a catholic school?

FACT: THe NOW 2019 goalie is taking a spot from a TRUE 2019 goalie.

FACT: The coaches are aware

FACT: The opportunity for a TRUE 2019 goalie to play is diminished.

FACT: It is our there and true.

FACT: The showcase kid stood up for what is right and just.

what fall showcase tournaments are the local 2018 teams participating in?

Let's just keep on "beating a dead horse!"

http://youtu.be/MjoMQJf5vKI

Don't blame the parents or the kid. They are not breaking any rules. If you want to blame someone for your son getting bumped, blame the NCAA for allowing kids to be recruited before they even start 9th grade.

FACT: This may be the best thread ever on BOTC!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't blame the parents or the kid. They are not breaking any rules. If you want to blame someone for your son getting bumped, blame the NCAA for allowing kids to be recruited before they even start 9th grade.

Per previous post a page or 2 back, so this just makes it ok...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't blame the parents or the kid. They are not breaking any rules. If you want to blame someone for your son getting bumped, blame the NCAA for allowing kids to be recruited before they even start 9th grade.

I will also be blaming Chaminade. I would think any kid that was recently left back would have a diminished chance of being admitted. They talk about morals and ethics at Chaminade- if they accept him and there was no other valid reason for him being left back, they are part of the problem. It also concerns me to hear that coach of Chaminade is this kid's club coach and he is promoting this. An employee of a school that preaches ethics and morals should be upholding those as they recruit kids to their school. In the end, I think there could be another goalie that comes along in 2019 and wows the coaches. Chaminade wants to win and they will put in the kid with the best skills. If I were a 2019 goalie planning on attending Chaminade- I would be working my butt off to bump this kid, just like the kid on the field- showing that you will not easily be pushed down and have your spot taken away from. Good luck to all those boys!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't blame the parents or the kid. They are not breaking any rules. If you want to blame someone for your son getting bumped, blame the NCAA for allowing kids to be recruited before they even start 9th grade.

Didn't they announce the first verbal D1 commitment on the 1st day of 9th grade? See, they waited till 9th grade started.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't blame the parents or the kid. They are not breaking any rules. If you want to blame someone for your son getting bumped, blame the NCAA for allowing kids to be recruited before they even start 9th grade.

I blame the parents for being sleazy, and the kid for not standing up to them and saying no this is wrong, I'm not doing it.

Just because you can do something "legally" does not make it right. They know it and we know it. These parents are setting a terrible example for the entire lacrosse community. Entitled spoiled brats, nice thing to be known as.

The

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is everyone's business when a family makes the decision to cheat. The more people who know the more we can embarrass and ridicule the kid and family every chance we get. I just don't get the entitlement attitude some people have. Terrible role models!

I do not have a son who is a holdback, PG, or will ever be. However, you are a total lowlife with your comment above and need to get a life. Way too overboard with your comments. Focus on something else more positive.

You're an imbecile. You're infantile comments are but a microcosm of what's ailing this country. There are no absolutes anymore, no right or wrong. Any thing goes, damn the people who point out the culprits. They're the problem right? Such a sick upside down society. Sorry, I agree with poster above. Parents and their kids should be made a spectacle for this type of behavior. I'll tell you one thing, the on age player does not like this one bit! Ask them if they think it's right or wrong? I can only go by my son's reaction to it all. He played in a showcase last summer. During one of the games he absolutely leveled a kid. I asked him after the game: Why did you hit that kid so hard? He said, "because he reclassified." "I wanted him to know it wasn't going to be easy playing against us younger kids."

Horrible attitude! And says two things about your kid: that he doesn't always give 100% when he plays and he is a dirty player!! I wouldn't brag about your son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No morals+no ethics=cheating loser.
Parents are the worst examples, dispicable!

You have no regard for anyone but yourselves. How are you even aloud in a catholic school?

Clearly you wouldn't be!! It's "allowed" dummy.

This is a former teammate. that kid and his parents are the nicest people in the world so who ever wants say anything be warned, and ill have you 40 year old virgins know he is a great goalie so don't tread on him . And what are you doing talking smack to him. guess you have nothing better to do than be a d!ck to a 14 year old. hop of his A$$. Sincerly Me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a former teammate. that kid and his parents are the nicest people in the world so who ever wants say anything be warned, and ill have you 40 year old virgins know he is a great goalie so don't tread on him . And what are you doing talking smack to him. guess you have nothing better to do than be a d!ck to a 14 year old. hop of his A$$. Sincerly Me.

A 14 yr old with a mouth like yours is not impressive and it also shows your ignorance and well, immature age. I am sure your parents would be happy that you are sticking up for your friend, but ashamed of how you spoke, even anonymously. If you felt so strongly and wanted to defend him and use vulgar words, you should have been man enough to sign your name.

I feel badly for the kid, he and his parents may be the nicest in the world, but he may find himself up against others and it would be a sad day to find that you repeated a whole year of school while your friends went on ahead to HS and will graduate without you and it did not work out in the end. It is easier to reclassify with other positions because they need more middies etc. The coaches could decide on one goalie and it may not be him in the end. If he is such a great goalie, he should have gone ahead and beat out the other 2018 kid by training harder and focusing on being the best he could be. If he is such a great goalie, he could go to St A's or a public school if he did not think he would get the starting position. He could have also been a back up and since he is so good, he must be on a top club team, he would have gotten recruited through that route.

I could only imagine how he felt knowing that he could not compete with the other 2018 kid, so the only thing left to do was drop down in hopes he can compete with the 2019 kids. I wish him luck, this could be a hard lesson and long road.

I really do not blame him- he's just following what the adults guiding him are telling him. I also get the worry of the parents and the need to feel like you have got to do what works for your kid, but I am ashamed to hear Chaminade would take this kid for being left back for no good academic, social, emotional or medical reason. I am second guessing them as a school and for what they stand for. I hope there is some follow up to this story when admissions sends out their invites to the school. I will be looking to hear what Chaminade does.

Only read here on BOTC that the family and the player are wonderful people. Also read that the kid is a great player.

Those issues were never questioned or disputed by any of the posts.

I am sure we all wish the kid well.

The frustration lies with the fact that reclassifying this player hurts the chances for other players.

Life is not fair.

Hope that the other boys who are going to attend the school will work hard and in turn will bring all they have to the game.

Remember, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Let it go.

These 2019 have so much to learn. The landscape in front f them is loaded with reclassifieds. Better get use to it. As you enter the Showcase/commit years you see it on the island and even more off. BTW the 2018 has a couple. Hear anyone complain?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only read here on BOTC that the family and the player are wonderful people. Also read that the kid is a great player.

Those issues were never questioned or disputed by any of the posts.

I am sure we all wish the kid well.

The frustration lies with the fact that reclassifying this player hurts the chances for other players.

Life is not fair.

Hope that the other boys who are going to attend the school will work hard and in turn will bring all they have to the game.

Remember, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Let it go.

You obviously did not read the posts. The parents and kid are NOT good people. They are CHEATERS!!! They are taking opportunities away from kids that are legitimately in that grad year. Shame on them! Hope the kid fails big time, and I hope other kids snub him! Will send a message that you can't just do whatever the [lacrosse] you want to get your kid an advantage. Not everyone is in the same financial position to do that which makes it unfair and wrong. FACT!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a former teammate. that kid and his parents are the nicest people in the world so who ever wants say anything be warned, and ill have you 40 year old virgins know he is a great goalie so don't tread on him . And what are you doing talking smack to him. guess you have nothing better to do than be a d!ck to a 14 year old. hop of his A$$. Sincerly Me.

Your "friend" Is a cheating loser, and you are kid who needs a good spanking!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only read here on BOTC that the family and the player are wonderful people. Also read that the kid is a great player.

Those issues were never questioned or disputed by any of the posts.

I am sure we all wish the kid well.

The frustration lies with the fact that reclassifying this player hurts the chances for other players.

Life is not fair.

Hope that the other boys who are going to attend the school will work hard and in turn will bring all they have to the game.

Remember, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Let it go.

You obviously did not read the posts. The parents and kid are NOT good people. They are CHEATERS!!! They are taking opportunities away from kids that are legitimately in that grad year. Shame on them! Hope the kid fails big time, and I hope other kids snub him! Will send a message that you can't just do whatever the [lacrosse] you want to get your kid an advantage. Not everyone is in the same financial position to do that which makes it unfair and wrong. FACT!

I wish everyone the best of luck and hope they all get a scholarship to their dream school. Chase your dreams and don't let anyone stand in your way!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only read here on BOTC that the family and the player are wonderful people. Also read that the kid is a great player.

Those issues were never questioned or disputed by any of the posts.

I am sure we all wish the kid well.

The frustration lies with the fact that reclassifying this player hurts the chances for other players.

Life is not fair.

Hope that the other boys who are going to attend the school will work hard and in turn will bring all they have to the game.

Remember, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Let it go.

You obviously did not read the posts. The parents and kid are NOT good people. They are CHEATERS!!! They are taking opportunities away from kids that are legitimately in that grad year. Shame on them! Hope the kid fails big time, and I hope other kids snub him! Will send a message that you can't just do whatever the [lacrosse] you want to get your kid an advantage. Not everyone is in the same financial position to do that which makes it unfair and wrong. FACT!

So you're saying if you had the money you would do it too? Btw, he's not going to get snubbed. This happens all the time. Colleges don't care, most prefer it and outside of LI it is the norm.

FACT: All club teams have completed tryouts and posted rosters.

FACT: The boys are ready to resume playing.

FACT: Parents are spending time and money taking our sons to games and tournaments

FACT: Lacrosse is a wonderful game to play and watch.

You weren't man enough to say your name either

This is like a repeat of the 2017 thread last year. Welcome to the big leagues 2018s. Reclass is the way of the future. Don't be such a hater. No rules in war or the big stakes of getting your kid on a life path better than your own.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only read here on BOTC that the family and the player are wonderful people. Also read that the kid is a great player.

Those issues were never questioned or disputed by any of the posts.

I am sure we all wish the kid well.

The frustration lies with the fact that reclassifying this player hurts the chances for other players.

Life is not fair.

Hope that the other boys who are going to attend the school will work hard and in turn will bring all they have to the game.

Remember, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Let it go.

You obviously did not read the posts. The parents and kid are NOT good people. They are CHEATERS!!! They are taking opportunities away from kids that are legitimately in that grad year. Shame on them! Hope the kid fails big time, and I hope other kids snub him! Will send a message that you can't just do whatever the [lacrosse] you want to get your kid an advantage. Not everyone is in the same financial position to do that which makes it unfair and wrong. FACT!

So you're saying if you had the money you would do it too? Btw, he's not going to get snubbed. This happens all the time. Colleges don't care, most prefer it and outside of LI it is the norm.

Would never do it. I even asked my son who is a late bloomer, and he said NO WAY! He thought the whole idea was dumb! The point is, not everyone is in the position to do it even if they wanted to. It is ironic that big lax leaders go into underprivileged areas trying to "spread interest in the game", they give these kids equipment and training and then turn around and screw them by putting their own kids a year back. The point is not whether colleges care or not. It is about being a good, moral person that plays by the rules, and not do what others are doing to get an advantage. Even though in your heart, you know it's wrong. And it is NOT the norm!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only read here on BOTC that the family and the player are wonderful people. Also read that the kid is a great player.

Those issues were never questioned or disputed by any of the posts.

I am sure we all wish the kid well.

The frustration lies with the fact that reclassifying this player hurts the chances for other players.

Life is not fair.

Hope that the other boys who are going to attend the school will work hard and in turn will bring all they have to the game.

Remember, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Let it go.

You obviously did not read the posts. The parents and kid are NOT good people. They are CHEATERS!!! They are taking opportunities away from kids that are legitimately in that grad year. Shame on them! Hope the kid fails big time, and I hope other kids snub him! Will send a message that you can't just do whatever the [lacrosse] you want to get your kid an advantage. Not everyone is in the same financial position to do that which makes it unfair and wrong. FACT!

I wish everyone the best of luck and hope they all get a scholarship to their dream school. Chase your dreams and don't let anyone stand in your way!

Even if you have to screw your friends on the way! Way to go low-life loser!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You weren't man enough to say your name either

Wesley Warren.

Let the Fall Gsmes begin.

Does anyone want to carpool??????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FACT: This may be the best thread ever on BOTC!

Wrong - SWR is still a better thread

Hopefully KARMA will take over and when that kid tries to get in the college he wants someone will do the same to him. Then watch the nicest parents in the world cry fowl. What goes around, eventually comes around and the way they came in is the way they will go out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only read here on BOTC that the family and the player are wonderful people. Also read that the kid is a great player.

Those issues were never questioned or disputed by any of the posts.

I am sure we all wish the kid well.

The frustration lies with the fact that reclassifying this player hurts the chances for other players.

Life is not fair.

Hope that the other boys who are going to attend the school will work hard and in turn will bring all they have to the game.

Remember, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Let it go.

You obviously did not read the posts. The parents and kid are NOT good people. They are CHEATERS!!! They are taking opportunities away from kids that are legitimately in that grad year. Shame on them! Hope the kid fails big time, and I hope other kids snub him! Will send a message that you can't just do whatever the [lacrosse] you want to get your kid an advantage. Not everyone is in the same financial position to do that which makes it unfair and wrong. FACT!

So you're saying if you had the money you would do it too? Btw, he's not going to get snubbed. This happens all the time. Colleges don't care, most prefer it and outside of LI it is the norm.

Would never do it. I even asked my son who is a late bloomer, and he said NO WAY! He thought the whole idea was dumb! The point is, not everyone is in the position to do it even if they wanted to. It is ironic that big lax leaders go into underprivileged areas trying to "spread interest in the game", they give these kids equipment and training and then turn around and screw them by putting their own kids a year back. The point is not whether colleges care or not. It is about being a good, moral person that plays by the rules, and not do what others are doing to get an advantage. Even though in your heart, you know it's wrong. And it is NOT the norm!

When the kids who reclass take all the spots at the top tier schools and lax is long over and they are on a different life trajectory than your kid how will you or your boy feel then for taking the high road

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FACT: This may be the best thread ever on BOTC!

Wrong - SWR is still a better thread

true that

I have extra room for 1 reclassified 2019 and his equipment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hopefully KARMA will take over and when that kid tries to get in the college he wants someone will do the same to him. Then watch the nicest parents in the world cry fowl. What goes around, eventually comes around and the way they came in is the way they will go out.

I second this post!

My SUV only has enough seating for reclassed 2020's and their equipment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hopefully KARMA will take over and when that kid tries to get in the college he wants someone will do the same to him. Then watch the nicest parents in the world cry fowl. What goes around, eventually comes around and the way they came in is the way they will go out.

I second this post!

Right, we are all losing sleep over karma. Dude you act like this is the first you have heard of reclass?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hopefully KARMA will take over and when that kid tries to get in the college he wants someone will do the same to him. Then watch the nicest parents in the world cry fowl. What goes around, eventually comes around and the way they came in is the way they will go out.

I second this post!

Why would they cry "fowl" looks like they have no worries. Lol!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hopefully KARMA will take over and when that kid tries to get in the college he wants someone will do the same to him. Then watch the nicest parents in the world cry fowl. What goes around, eventually comes around and the way they came in is the way they will go out.

I second this post!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hopefully KARMA will take over and when that kid tries to get in the college he wants someone will do the same to him. Then watch the nicest parents in the world cry fowl. What goes around, eventually comes around and the way they came in is the way they will go out.

I second this post!

KARMA was not a consideration for the NOW. 2019 goalie parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't blame the parents or the kid. They are not breaking any rules. If you want to blame someone for your son getting bumped, blame the NCAA for allowing kids to be recruited before they even start 9th grade.

I will also be blaming Chaminade. I would think any kid that was recently left back would have a diminished chance of being admitted. They talk about morals and ethics at Chaminade- if they accept him and there was no other valid reason for him being left back, they are part of the problem. It also concerns me to hear that coach of Chaminade is this kid's club coach and he is promoting this. An employee of a school that preaches ethics and morals should be upholding those as they recruit kids to their school. In the end, I think there could be another goalie that comes along in 2019 and wows the coaches. Chaminade wants to win and they will put in the kid with the best skills. If I were a 2019 goalie planning on attending Chaminade- I would be working my butt off to bump this kid, just like the kid on the field- showing that you will not easily be pushed down and have your spot taken away from. Good luck to all those boys!

That scenario would be the best thing that could come out of this. There must be other 2019 goalies who will be attending Chaminade. Every club team on Long Island has 2 goalies plus kids come from Queens, NYC and NJ to attend CHaminade.

A win, win, win.

WIN: A TRUE 2019 goalie earning his position on the team.

WIN: The coaches at Chaminade HS see what potential is out there, other than the goalies who come from their club team and realize these kids can play the position better than their boy.

WIN: The reclassed NOW 2019 goalie parents learning that they should have never held their son back because you never know what could happen.

There is only so much planning, preparing, and protecting parents can do for their children. At some point you have to let your son make it on his own.

That is what being a good parent is all about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't blame the parents or the kid. They are not breaking any rules. If you want to blame someone for your son getting bumped, blame the NCAA for allowing kids to be recruited before they even start 9th grade.

I will also be blaming Chaminade. I would think any kid that was recently left back would have a diminished chance of being admitted. They talk about morals and ethics at Chaminade- if they accept him and there was no other valid reason for him being left back, they are part of the problem. It also concerns me to hear that coach of Chaminade is this kid's club coach and he is promoting this. An employee of a school that preaches ethics and morals should be upholding those as they recruit kids to their school. In the end, I think there could be another goalie that comes along in 2019 and wows the coaches. Chaminade wants to win and they will put in the kid with the best skills. If I were a 2019 goalie planning on attending Chaminade- I would be working my butt off to bump this kid, just like the kid on the field- showing that you will not easily be pushed down and have your spot taken away from. Good luck to all those boys!

Well Stated.

I wonder if BOTC is read by any of the FACT people, ie:

The reclassed goalie parents, Club Coaches, HS Coaches??

JM is a JA if this is all true. Hopefully a better 2019 kid will come along and go to SA's, and the nicest player and parents in the world as well as Flyers will lose to Friars 4yrs in a row while wonder boy is in the cage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only read here on BOTC that the family and the player are wonderful people. Also read that the kid is a great player.

Those issues were never questioned or disputed by any of the posts.

I am sure we all wish the kid well.

The frustration lies with the fact that reclassifying this player hurts the chances for other players.

Life is not fair.

Hope that the other boys who are going to attend the school will work hard and in turn will bring all they have to the game.

Remember, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Let it go.

You obviously did not read the posts. The parents and kid are NOT good people. They are CHEATERS!!! They are taking opportunities away from kids that are legitimately in that grad year. Shame on them! Hope the kid fails big time, and I hope other kids snub him! Will send a message that you can't just do whatever the [lacrosse] you want to get your kid an advantage. Not everyone is in the same financial position to do that which makes it unfair and wrong. FACT!

So you're saying if you had the money you would do it too? Btw, he's not going to get snubbed. This happens all the time. Colleges don't care, most prefer it and outside of LI it is the norm.

Would never do it. I even asked my son who is a late bloomer, and he said NO WAY! He thought the whole idea was dumb! The point is, not everyone is in the position to do it even if they wanted to. It is ironic that big lax leaders go into underprivileged areas trying to "spread interest in the game", they give these kids equipment and training and then turn around and screw them by putting their own kids a year back. The point is not whether colleges care or not. It is about being a good, moral person that plays by the rules, and not do what others are doing to get an advantage. Even though in your heart, you know it's wrong. And it is NOT the norm!

When the kids who reclass take all the spots at the top tier schools and lax is long over and they are on a different life trajectory than your kid how will you or your boy feel then for taking the high road

Really? The lax brotherhood lives on past college. Playing lax at certain schools opens up career opportunities.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only read here on BOTC that the family and the player are wonderful people. Also read that the kid is a great player.

Those issues were never questioned or disputed by any of the posts.

I am sure we all wish the kid well.

The frustration lies with the fact that reclassifying this player hurts the chances for other players.

Life is not fair.

Hope that the other boys who are going to attend the school will work hard and in turn will bring all they have to the game.

Remember, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Let it go.

You obviously did not read the posts. The parents and kid are NOT good people. They are CHEATERS!!! They are taking opportunities away from kids that are legitimately in that grad year. Shame on them! Hope the kid fails big time, and I hope other kids snub him! Will send a message that you can't just do whatever the [lacrosse] you want to get your kid an advantage. Not everyone is in the same financial position to do that which makes it unfair and wrong. FACT!

So you're saying if you had the money you would do it too? Btw, he's not going to get snubbed. This happens all the time. Colleges don't care, most prefer it and outside of LI it is the norm.

Would never do it. I even asked my son who is a late bloomer, and he said NO WAY! He thought the whole idea was dumb! The point is, not everyone is in the position to do it even if they wanted to. It is ironic that big lax leaders go into underprivileged areas trying to "spread interest in the game", they give these kids equipment and training and then turn around and screw them by putting their own kids a year back. The point is not whether colleges care or not. It is about being a good, moral person that plays by the rules, and not do what others are doing to get an advantage. Even though in your heart, you know it's wrong. And it is NOT the norm!

When the kids who reclass take all the spots at the top tier schools and lax is long over and they are on a different life trajectory than your kid how will you or your boy feel then for taking the high road

Really? The lax brotherhood lives on past college. Playing lax at certain schools opens up career opportunities.

Once a cheater, always a cheater! Eventually the kid will get thrown out of school,fired, wind up in jail, etc. That's what happens to people who think they can beat the system. Never works in the long run

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you for clarifying and making us all aware that your kid isn't a top recruit. Your apparent effort of public shaming is pathetic. I would love to pass judgement on you and your children and family. But I won't because it's not anyone's business but your own. You just don't want to get it. Just because a kid reclassifies you think he's jumping over your kid. The truth is they have already been indentified as a top player period. Doesn't matter what age they play with. Lax skills, lax IQ And most importantly grades are the most important things a coach looks at. He can tell whose a D1 top recruit, 2nd tier right down the line. Then he will see where he would fit in. FOR THE MOST PART COACHES JUST HAVE NO PLACE for old 17 or young 18 yr old freshman. If your kid is that good you will know by now, you will know what schools are interested, and you will know where he fits. Now put that fact in your hat!!

"The truth is they have already been indentified as a top player period. Doesn't matter what age they play with. Lax skills, lax IQ And most importantly grades are the most important things a coach looks at. He can tell whose a D1 top recruit, 2nd tier right down the line. "

Ignorant statement.

Are Jake Reed invites out yet?

My son received invites and is attending Philly Freshman Showcase and Maverik Showtime. We also received an invite to attend the 3d Bluechip for a chance at going to Jake Reed. We have not applied for nor heard from Jake Reed directly.

Given he is already attending two great showcases, should we go to Florida this winter? Is it worthwhile to attend both JR and Maverik? Our preference is to avoid Florida and save some money. Need advice. Thanks!! (and we are not reclassified)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only read here on BOTC that the family and the player are wonderful people. Also read that the kid is a great player.

Those issues were never questioned or disputed by any of the posts.

I am sure we all wish the kid well.

The frustration lies with the fact that reclassifying this player hurts the chances for other players.

Life is not fair.

Hope that the other boys who are going to attend the school will work hard and in turn will bring all they have to the game.

Remember, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Let it go.

You obviously did not read the posts. The parents and kid are NOT good people. They are CHEATERS!!! They are taking opportunities away from kids that are legitimately in that grad year. Shame on them! Hope the kid fails big time, and I hope other kids snub him! Will send a message that you can't just do whatever the [lacrosse] you want to get your kid an advantage. Not everyone is in the same financial position to do that which makes it unfair and wrong. FACT!

So you're saying if you had the money you would do it too? Btw, he's not going to get snubbed. This happens all the time. Colleges don't care, most prefer it and outside of LI it is the norm.

Would never do it. I even asked my son who is a late bloomer, and he said NO WAY! He thought the whole idea was dumb! The point is, not everyone is in the position to do it even if they wanted to. It is ironic that big lax leaders go into underprivileged areas trying to "spread interest in the game", they give these kids equipment and training and then turn around and screw them by putting their own kids a year back. The point is not whether colleges care or not. It is about being a good, moral person that plays by the rules, and not do what others are doing to get an advantage. Even though in your heart, you know it's wrong. And it is NOT the norm!

When the kids who reclass take all the spots at the top tier schools and lax is long over and they are on a different life trajectory than your kid how will you or your boy feel then for taking the high road

Really? The lax brotherhood lives on past college. Playing lax at certain schools opens up career opportunities.

Yes and choosing a good school, regardless of lax, can do the same thing for you. Alumni relations of a good school can be a life changer. Academics are the way to go! Then your commit won't get pulled because you didn't make it into the school after all was said and done. However, one kid will learn that when life gets tough, look for a loop hole. The other learns, life is a challenge- work harder and don't give up.

Anybody that's part of any brotherhood knows that the spoiled entitled mommas boys with the silver spoons will never truly fit in. Poor kid, since mom and dad had to buy his way in, he will have to deal with that for the rest of his life as others make fun of him about it. This should really be good for his psychological development.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you for clarifying and making us all aware that your kid isn't a top recruit. Your apparent effort of public shaming is pathetic. I would love to pass judgement on you and your children and family. But I won't because it's not anyone's business but your own. You just don't want to get it. Just because a kid reclassifies you think he's jumping over your kid. The truth is they have already been indentified as a top player period. Doesn't matter what age they play with. Lax skills, lax IQ And most importantly grades are the most important things a coach looks at. He can tell whose a D1 top recruit, 2nd tier right down the line. Then he will see where he would fit in. FOR THE MOST PART COACHES JUST HAVE NO PLACE for old 17 or young 18 yr old freshman. If your kid is that good you will know by now, you will know what schools are interested, and you will know where he fits. Now put that fact in your hat!!

"The truth is they have already been indentified as a top player period. Doesn't matter what age they play with. Lax skills, lax IQ And most importantly grades are the most important things a coach looks at. He can tell whose a D1 top recruit, 2nd tier right down the line. "

Ignorant statement.

Funny, coaches were pining for my young (birhdate September) senior about to sing his NLI with a very substantial scholarship to a top 25 school. All the holdbacks can go scratch. Like the other poster said, they are cheaters!

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You obviously did not read the posts. The parents and kid are NOT good people. They are CHEATERS!!! They are taking opportunities away from kids that are legitimately in that grad year. Shame on them! Hope the kid fails big time, and I hope other kids snub him! Will send a message that you can't just do whatever the [lacrosse] you want to get your kid an advantage. Not everyone is in the same financial position to do that which makes it unfair and wrong. FACT! [/quote]

So you're saying if you had the money you would do it too? Btw, he's not going to get snubbed. This happens all the time. Colleges don't care, most prefer it and outside of LI it is the norm. [/quote]

Would never do it. I even asked my son who is a late bloomer, and he said NO WAY! He thought the whole idea was dumb! The point is, not everyone is in the position to do it even if they wanted to. It is ironic that big lax leaders go into underprivileged areas trying to "spread interest in the game", they give these kids equipment and training and then turn around and screw them by putting their own kids a year back. The point is not whether colleges care or not. It is about being a good, moral person that plays by the rules, and not do what others are doing to get an advantage. Even though in your heart, you know it's wrong. And it is NOT the norm! [/quote]

When the kids who reclass take all the spots at the top tier schools and lax is long over and they are on a different life trajectory than your kid how will you or your boy feel then for taking the high road [/quote]

Really? The lax brotherhood lives on past college. Playing lax at certain schools opens up career opportunities. [/quote]

Once a cheater, always a cheater! Eventually the kid will get thrown out of school,fired, wind up in jail, etc. That's what happens to people who think they can beat the system. Never works in the long run[/quote]

Or... the kid just increased his odds at gaining admission to a much better college where he will reap the benefits of a higher income for the rest of his life... No you`re right, he`s probably going to jail... Oh by the way, exactly what rule did they break? Please post a link to the rule that states repeating a year at his school is illegal, otherwise, you're smart enough to know that if there isn't a rule then he's not cheating. I'll also add that I'd be willing to bet that repeating a year at top prep/private schools more than works out, in the long run, far more often then those kids ending up failing out of school, getting fired, or ending up in jail. You're a being a little dramatic don't you think?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hopefully KARMA will take over and when that kid tries to get in the college he wants someone will do the same to him. Then watch the nicest parents in the world cry fowl. What goes around, eventually comes around and the way they came in is the way they will go out.

Do any of you really read what you post before hitting the submit button. Take a deep breath and count to 10 before submitting. Imagine [I know, this means you have to really think out of the box] if the roles were reversed, would this post classify as cyber bullying, I believe that isn't allowed and there are laws against it. CAGE, you really need to understand what is being written and put an end to this.

Dude, we get it. The reclass kid is potentially taking a spot from your son. Was he the heir apparent in goal and now he is riding the pine. Seems so.

Go ahead and check the duke or notre same roster for birth dates

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are Jake Reed invites out yet?

My son received invites and is attending Philly Freshman Showcase and Maverik Showtime. We also received an invite to attend the 3d Bluechip for a chance at going to Jake Reed. We have not applied for nor heard from Jake Reed directly.

Given he is already attending two great showcases, should we go to Florida this winter? Is it worthwhile to attend both JR and Maverik? Our preference is to avoid Florida and save some money. Need advice. Thanks!! (and we are not reclassified)

Last years direct invites for JR didn`t come out until much later, either later October or maybe even early November, can`t remember which. My theory is that they are hoping people get nervous and apply to the 3d camp. Don`t do it. If you get a direct invite, great. If not, don`t spend the money when your kid is already in the top showcase. I assume your son plays for a top club too, so Maverik and top tourneys are more than enough. You don`t want your son to be too worn down for Maverik either, plus there is also the possibility of over exposure. And if your son has a great Philly showcase, he might not even need JR.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hopefully KARMA will take over and when that kid tries to get in the college he wants someone will do the same to him. Then watch the nicest parents in the world cry fowl. What goes around, eventually comes around and the way they came in is the way they will go out.

Do any of you really read what you post before hitting the submit button. Take a deep breath and count to 10 before submitting. Imagine [I know, this means you have to really think out of the box] if the roles were reversed, would this post classify as cyber bullying, I believe that isn't allowed and there are laws against it. CAGE, you really need to understand what is being written and put an end to this.

Please stop with the cyber bullying nonsense Oprah! There Is no " cyber bullying" law in NYS.

From your lips to God's ears.

FACT: Great statement

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hopefully KARMA will take over and when that kid tries to get in the college he wants someone will do the same to him. Then watch the nicest parents in the world cry fowl. What goes around, eventually comes around and the way they came in is the way they will go out.

Do any of you really read what you post before hitting the submit button. Take a deep breath and count to 10 before submitting. Imagine [I know, this means you have to really think out of the box] if the roles were reversed, would this post classify as cyber bullying, I believe that isn't allowed and there are laws against it. CAGE, you really need to understand what is being written and put an end to this.

Please stop with the cyber bullying nonsense Oprah! There Is no " cyber bullying" law in NYS.

No bullying here, just stating opinions about cheaters. Last I checked, people are entitled to their opinions. Bullying is what happens because of these choices. Sad that the parents put their kid in the position to be ridiculed. Just looking out for the poor kid!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are Jake Reed invites out yet?

My son received invites and is attending Philly Freshman Showcase and Maverik Showtime. We also received an invite to attend the 3d Bluechip for a chance at going to Jake Reed. We have not applied for nor heard from Jake Reed directly.

Given he is already attending two great showcases, should we go to Florida this winter? Is it worthwhile to attend both JR and Maverik? Our preference is to avoid Florida and save some money. Need advice. Thanks!! (and we are not reclassified)

Last years direct invites for JR didn`t come out until much later, either later October or maybe even early November, can`t remember which. My theory is that they are hoping people get nervous and apply to the 3d camp. Don`t do it. If you get a direct invite, great. If not, don`t spend the money when your kid is already in the top showcase. I assume your son plays for a top club too, so Maverik and top tourneys are more than enough. You don`t want your son to be too worn down for Maverik either, plus there is also the possibility of over exposure. And if your son has a great Philly showcase, he might not even need JR.

From a 2017 parent, agree completely with the above. If your son is already going to the Philly Showcase in the Fall and Maverik Showtimes in July, he doesn't need JR anyway. He will be seen from these two showcases + normal club tournaments. If you want to add anything else, to Adrenaline Black Card and/or Under Armour tryouts, or a prospect day or two where the college has indicated they want your son there. Also be careful of doing too much in terms of burn out for your kid (too much lax) and/or overexposure as it is hard to play your absolute best across so many lax games/showcases. My 2 cents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hopefully KARMA will take over and when that kid tries to get in the college he wants someone will do the same to him. Then watch the nicest parents in the world cry fowl. What goes around, eventually comes around and the way they came in is the way they will go out.

Do any of you really read what you post before hitting the submit button. Take a deep breath and count to 10 before submitting. Imagine [I know, this means you have to really think out of the box] if the roles were reversed, would this post classify as cyber bullying, I believe that isn't allowed and there are laws against it. CAGE, you really need to understand what is being written and put an end to this.

Please stop with the cyber bullying nonsense Oprah! There Is no " cyber bullying" law in NYS.

No bullying here, just stating opinions about cheaters. Last I checked, people are entitled to their opinions. Bullying is what happens because of these choices. Sad that the parents put their kid in the position to be ridiculed. Just looking out for the poor kid!

You are probably cheating on your wife you schmuch. Let it go already. The anger you have over this issue is unreal. Have a drink (or maybe you already did as you posts are so ridiculously over the top).

Have these 2019's ever played off the Island? Have they ever said "how old are those kids?" . Guess what?
This is the way it is. Cheating is when you are trying to get away with something that's against the rules. This may seem unfair but it is not cheating. Look at any top IL highschool list .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hopefully KARMA will take over and when that kid tries to get in the college he wants someone will do the same to him. Then watch the nicest parents in the world cry fowl. What goes around, eventually comes around and the way they came in is the way they will go out.

Do any of you really read what you post before hitting the submit button. Take a deep breath and count to 10 before submitting. Imagine [I know, this means you have to really think out of the box] if the roles were reversed, would this post classify as cyber bullying, I believe that isn't allowed and there are laws against it. CAGE, you really need to understand what is being written and put an end to this.

Please stop with the cyber bullying nonsense Oprah! There Is no " cyber bullying" law in NYS.

No bullying here, just stating opinions about cheaters. Last I checked, people are entitled to their opinions. Bullying is what happens because of these choices. Sad that the parents put their kid in the position to be ridiculed. Just looking out for the poor kid!

I have a younger son and will definitely reclass him in a couple years if I can. Is there anything to it or do they just let you?

Looks like MANY PARENTS have been weighing in on this topic. How do you know if the parents of this NOW 2019 goalie, his coaches, etc are evening reading this????

People do have lives. They work, play tennis, golf, etc....Not everyone in the lax world reads this.

People reading BOTC are entitled to opinions. It is not bullying. Bullying is when the actual person is involved.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like MANY PARENTS have been weighing in on this topic. How do you know if the parents of this NOW 2019 goalie, his coaches, etc are evening reading this????

People do have lives. They work, play tennis, golf, etc....Not everyone in the lax world reads this.

People reading BOTC are entitled to opinions. It is not bullying. Bullying is when the actual person is involved.

Talking about specific 13-15 kids when people on this board can indetify them is way out of bounds and frankly just plain wrong whether they or their parents know about the posts or not (which I am sure they do). Call it whatever you want, it is completely classless and I am shocked BOTC has allowed it to go on. Think about it if you kid was the one being talked about over and over. How would you/they feel? And if the ones making the posts had any balls, the would write their names and not do it anonymously.

Team 91 Extreme and Orange have 25 kids listed for their 2018 teams.

How many roster spots are there for LI Express Terps and Express North 2018 teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are Jake Reed invites out yet?

My son received invites and is attending Philly Freshman Showcase and Maverik Showtime. We also received an invite to attend the 3d Bluechip for a chance at going to Jake Reed. We have not applied for nor heard from Jake Reed directly.

Given he is already attending two great showcases, should we go to Florida this winter? Is it worthwhile to attend both JR and Maverik? Our preference is to avoid Florida and save some money. Need advice. Thanks!! (and we are not reclassified)

If you would read the entire letter, it states that if you sign up for 3d Blue Chip, then get direct invite to JR Blue Chip, the money can be transferred to JR as long as you notify 3d of the invite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are Jake Reed invites out yet?

My son received invites and is attending Philly Freshman Showcase and Maverik Showtime. We also received an invite to attend the 3d Bluechip for a chance at going to Jake Reed. We have not applied for nor heard from Jake Reed directly.

Given he is already attending two great showcases, should we go to Florida this winter? Is it worthwhile to attend both JR and Maverik? Our preference is to avoid Florida and save some money. Need advice. Thanks!! (and we are not reclassified)

Last years direct invites for JR didn`t come out until much later, either later October or maybe even early November, can`t remember which. My theory is that they are hoping people get nervous and apply to the 3d camp. Don`t do it. If you get a direct invite, great. If not, don`t spend the money when your kid is already in the top showcase. I assume your son plays for a top club too, so Maverik and top tourneys are more than enough. You don`t want your son to be too worn down for Maverik either, plus there is also the possibility of over exposure. And if your son has a great Philly showcase, he might not even need JR.

Thanks for the feedback. That is what we were hoping to hear. He plays for a pretty decent team but we are not from a hot bed. We've been to some strong team events playing against hot bed teams. We are above .500 consistently. I think this makes the individual events even more important.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 Extreme and Orange have 25 kids listed for their 2018 teams.

How many roster spots are there for LI Express Terps and Express North 2018 teams?

that depends on the day, tournament, the moon but if there is an eclipse, watch out, that number could be high!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like MANY PARENTS have been weighing in on this topic. How do you know if the parents of this NOW 2019 goalie, his coaches, etc are evening reading this????

People do have lives. They work, play tennis, golf, etc....Not everyone in the lax world reads this.

People reading BOTC are entitled to opinions. It is not bullying. Bullying is when the actual person is involved.

It is a real shame.... I/we personally know the real 2019 goalie that lost his spot to this reclass. He is VERY good!

The consequences of this are very real.
What about the 13yr old boy? Should he bear the brunt of this?

Say what you want... but everyone involved knows it "just ain't right"...

Like steeling signs, counting cards and flopping, when we see it - it looks ridiculous to get caught and we all know it's wrong to do. However unlike those instances, the real impact here is the opportunity taken away from a very real little kid.

Club coaches & HS coaches --- loosing credibility and meaning of true sportsmanship.
Parents --- no character cheaters stacked deck in sons favor
Older kid --- mommmy/daddy's little boy - no respect for you

My hope for the true age kid--- you'll be fine. You'll work hard & play hard. Your success will come from exactly that hard work, determination and honest effort. with that you'll be better prepared for the real world work, family & life.

my advice for cheater boy.. someday you'll actually be faced the challenge of performing & excelling without the aid of mommy & daddy's wallet or influence. too bad you weren't a chance. I don't blame you but I don't respect you.

Express will start with around 22 by the summer have around 33 players. Happens every year

Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

That reclass is not even the oldest player on the team.
So if you are going to bash him bash all the other hold backs as well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That reclass is not even the oldest player on the team.
So if you are going to bash him bash all the other hold backs as well

I think that all this is referring to any hold.

The most amusing part of this entire thread is that the public schools like 3Village GC Manhasset West Islip develop better kids with more character / scruples than the catholic schools.
I guess if you go to confession it's ok to cheat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That reclass is not even the oldest player on the team.
So if you are going to bash him bash all the other hold backs as well

I think that all this is referring to any hold.

Do tell, what position? are they from Nassau, Suffolk or are they NOT from LI and not many people know they are older yet??

However, I do feel it is different when a child starts late as a kindergartener over repeating an pubescent grade like 7th or 8th grade.

Why not continue this on 2019 where it is the issue though?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That reclass is not even the oldest player on the team.
So if you are going to bash him bash all the other hold backs as well

Let us know who they are so we can spread the word!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

To the guy who has spent the last two days raging on this thread, I'm sorry that all of this surprised you and your kid is now the backup goalie but for your own mental health move on. And yes they are not scouting new 2018 prospects. They have their target list as does every other top 20 school. If you're not on it and have not had contact with the school post sept 1st then don't waste your money on this

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

To the guy who has spent the last two days raging on this thread, I'm sorry that all of this surprised you and your kid is now the backup goalie but for your own mental health move on. And yes they are not scouting new 2018 prospects. They have their target list as does every other top 20 school. If you're not on it and have not had contact with the school post sept 1st then don't waste your money on this

Easy, UNC has one 2018 commit. Most top 20 schools have yet to come close to completing 2017, with the exception of UNC, Hop and UMD. If a kid who isn't on the UNC list goes down there and blows up some kids on the list, guess what? Someone is going to be off the list! Come on, use your head, you think they have some kind of loyalty? Because they saw another kid first??? Please.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

To the guy who has spent the last two days raging on this thread, I'm sorry that all of this surprised you and your kid is now the backup goalie but for your own mental health move on. And yes they are not scouting new 2018 prospects. They have their target list as does every other top 20 school. If you're not on it and have not had contact with the school post sept 1st then don't waste your money on this

Easy, UNC has one 2018 commit. Most top 20 schools have yet to come close to completing 2017, with the exception of UNC, Hop and UMD. If a kid who isn't on the UNC list goes down there and blows up some kids on the list, guess what? Someone is going to be off the list! Come on, use your head, you think they have some kind of loyalty? Because they saw another kid first??? Please.

Keep telling yourself that. If you didn't get a personal invite via your club coach or had contact doesn't matter. They are already trying to narrow their list not add to it. Commits maybe low still but the target list is done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

To the guy who has spent the last two days raging on this thread, I'm sorry that all of this surprised you and your kid is now the backup goalie but for your own mental health move on. And yes they are not scouting new 2018 prospects. They have their target list as does every other top 20 school. If you're not on it and have not had contact with the school post sept 1st then don't waste your money on this

My kid will never be back up to your cheating [lacrosse]. Can't wait to watch you go down, lowlife!

feel sorry for the goalie and his parents. know them as good people. their choice must have been difficult and I imagine (knowing them) it was made after a great deal of thought and consideration.

also feel sorry for the 2019 kid. he had no choice but the other's choice affected him.

I would not reclass my kid given our fact pattern. I dont agree with the concept, but like everything else in life, until you walk in another's shoes it is impossible to know what you would do.

the kid that was reclassed has no ability to have a voice. For any of you that think otherwise you are not being honest. At this age you can convince your kid of anything. The choice was made for him, and while i dont agree with it, it was not my call or his and i dont know the complete story, nor do any of you.

to the kid that apparently now lost his spot, I am sorryy and feel bad. I understand there is no consolation to him and he is stuck with the current scenario.

in life, which is not fair, it is much better to have information as soon as possible from which you can make informed decisions. if the kid that lost his spot was going to chammy, now is time to change--if his goal was to go to great school and be starting goalie--because the other kid will clearly get that spot. the reclassed kid wouldnt have gone through this if his fam had not talked to coaches of school and club. rather than spend the next years fighting, i wold pivot and compete indirectly...

best of luck to each boy as neither had a choice here...for those picking on the reclassed kid, he is a kid, no more no less, not capable of making this choice so please leave him alone.

More than 1 goalie attends CHaminade every year. Up to 4. So actually, the NOW 2019 goalie who was reclassed, just took the chance of 4 goalies.

At least 2 of the 4 would have been selected for the Freshman team. That means that now only 1 goalie MAY have a chance to play.

Remember, the NOW 2019 is an Express kid. The coaches are Express loyal.

From what we have all read in these last pages on BOTC, no one individual post has spoken badly of the NOW 2019 reclassed child. We all understand that the child did not make this decision.

That being said, other children are now affected by this decision. Keep in mind, the position of goalie is not like any other position in lacrosse. There is only room for 1 goalie in the cage. Playing high level lacrosse allows for only 1 goalie to play start to finish. If you are great, up by more than 7 in a game and playing an inferior team, your 2nd goalie MAY have a shot.

This is the reason so many goalie parents are upset.

The cheating point aggravates everyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

feel sorry for the goalie and his parents. know them as good people. their choice must have been difficult and I imagine (knowing them) it was made after a great deal of thought and consideration.

also feel sorry for the 2019 kid. he had no choice but the other's choice affected him.

I would not reclass my kid given our fact pattern. I dont agree with the concept, but like everything else in life, until you walk in another's shoes it is impossible to know what you would do.

the kid that was reclassed has no ability to have a voice. For any of you that think otherwise you are not being honest. At this age you can convince your kid of anything. The choice was made for him, and while i dont agree with it, it was not my call or his and i dont know the complete story, nor do any of you.

to the kid that apparently now lost his spot, I am sorryy and feel bad. I understand there is no consolation to him and he is stuck with the current scenario.

in life, which is not fair, it is much better to have information as soon as possible from which you can make informed decisions. if the kid that lost his spot was going to chammy, now is time to change--if his goal was to go to great school and be starting goalie--because the other kid will clearly get that spot. the reclassed kid wouldnt have gone through this if his fam had not talked to coaches of school and club. rather than spend the next years fighting, i wold pivot and compete indirectly...

best of luck to each boy as neither had a choice here...for those picking on the reclassed kid, he is a kid, no more no less, not capable of making this choice so please leave him alone.

Why would you feel sorry for parents who held back their kid?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

To the guy who has spent the last two days raging on this thread, I'm sorry that all of this surprised you and your kid is now the backup goalie but for your own mental health move on. And yes they are not scouting new 2018 prospects. They have their target list as does every other top 20 school. If you're not on it and have not had contact with the school post sept 1st then don't waste your money on this

Easy, UNC has one 2018 commit. Most top 20 schools have yet to come close to completing 2017, with the exception of UNC, Hop and UMD. If a kid who isn't on the UNC list goes down there and blows up some kids on the list, guess what? Someone is going to be off the list! Come on, use your head, you think they have some kind of loyalty? Because they saw another kid first??? Please.

Keep telling yourself that. If you didn't get a personal invite via your club coach or had contact doesn't matter. They are already trying to narrow their list not add to it. Commits maybe low still but the target list is done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

To the guy who has spent the last two days raging on this thread, I'm sorry that all of this surprised you and your kid is now the backup goalie but for your own mental health move on. And yes they are not scouting new 2018 prospects. They have their target list as does every other top 20 school. If you're not on it and have not had contact with the school post sept 1st then don't waste your money on this

Easy, UNC has one 2018 commit. Most top 20 schools have yet to come close to completing 2017, with the exception of UNC, Hop and UMD. If a kid who isn't on the UNC list goes down there and blows up some kids on the list, guess what? Someone is going to be off the list! Come on, use your head, you think they have some kind of loyalty? Because they saw another kid first??? Please.

Keep telling yourself that. If you didn't get a personal invite via your club coach or had contact doesn't matter. They are already trying to narrow their list not add to it. Commits maybe low still but the target list is done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

To the guy who has spent the last two days raging on this thread, I'm sorry that all of this surprised you and your kid is now the backup goalie but for your own mental health move on. And yes they are not scouting new 2018 prospects. They have their target list as does every other top 20 school. If you're not on it and have not had contact with the school post sept 1st then don't waste your money on this

Easy, UNC has one 2018 commit. Most top 20 schools have yet to come close to completing 2017, with the exception of UNC, Hop and UMD. If a kid who isn't on the UNC list goes down there and blows up some kids on the list, guess what? Someone is going to be off the list! Come on, use your head, you think they have some kind of loyalty? Because they saw another kid first??? Please.

Keep telling yourself that. If you didn't get a personal invite via your club coach or had contact doesn't matter. They are already trying to narrow their list not add to it. Commits maybe low still but the target list is done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

To the guy who has spent the last two days raging on this thread, I'm sorry that all of this surprised you and your kid is now the backup goalie but for your own mental health move on. And yes they are not scouting new 2018 prospects. They have their target list as does every other top 20 school. If you're not on it and have not had contact with the school post sept 1st then don't waste your money on this

Easy, UNC has one 2018 commit. Most top 20 schools have yet to come close to completing 2017, with the exception of UNC, Hop and UMD. If a kid who isn't on the UNC list goes down there and blows up some kids on the list, guess what? Someone is going to be off the list! Come on, use your head, you think they have some kind of loyalty? Because they saw another kid first??? Please.

Keep telling yourself that. If you didn't get a personal invite via your club coach or had contact doesn't matter. They are already trying to narrow their list not add to it. Commits maybe low still but the target list is done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

To the guy who has spent the last two days raging on this thread, I'm sorry that all of this surprised you and your kid is now the backup goalie but for your own mental health move on. And yes they are not scouting new 2018 prospects. They have their target list as does every other top 20 school. If you're not on it and have not had contact with the school post sept 1st then don't waste your money on this

Easy, UNC has one 2018 commit. Most top 20 schools have yet to come close to completing 2017, with the exception of UNC, Hop and UMD. If a kid who isn't on the UNC list goes down there and blows up some kids on the list, guess what? Someone is going to be off the list! Come on, use your head, you think they have some kind of loyalty? Because they saw another kid first??? Please.

Keep telling yourself that. If you didn't get a personal invite via your club coach or had contact doesn't matter. They are already trying to narrow their list not add to it. Commits maybe low still but the target list is done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

To the guy who has spent the last two days raging on this thread, I'm sorry that all of this surprised you and your kid is now the backup goalie but for your own mental health move on. And yes they are not scouting new 2018 prospects. They have their target list as does every other top 20 school. If you're not on it and have not had contact with the school post sept 1st then don't waste your money on this

Easy, UNC has one 2018 commit. Most top 20 schools have yet to come close to completing 2017, with the exception of UNC, Hop and UMD. If a kid who isn't on the UNC list goes down there and blows up some kids on the list, guess what? Someone is going to be off the list! Come on, use your head, you think they have some kind of loyalty? Because they saw another kid first??? Please.

Keep telling yourself that. If you didn't get a personal invite via your club coach or had contact doesn't matter. They are already trying to narrow their list not add to it. Commits maybe low still but the target list is done.

Yeah let's see coachs win a championship when they are married to a list of 8th graders for spots in five years. UNC is not a great school academically anyway.

VERY SAD that the boy who "lost" his spot to the NOW 2019 reclassed goalie needs to change his HS plans.

Actually, several boys who wanted to attend Chammy next Sept and wanted to tryout for goalie need to re-think it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

To the guy who has spent the last two days raging on this thread, I'm sorry that all of this surprised you and your kid is now the backup goalie but for your own mental health move on. And yes they are not scouting new 2018 prospects. They have their target list as does every other top 20 school. If you're not on it and have not had contact with the school post sept 1st then don't waste your money on this

My kid will never be back up to your cheating [lacrosse]. Can't wait to watch you go down, lowlife!

We both know he already is. Hs or club going to be tough for your kid. There is always d3. Plenty of them need goalies. It gets boring with barrel at practice. Maybe see if there is a modified team who needs one. At least he'll get some reps.

goalie no different than fogo. best positions on field...no other has such impact on game.

AMEN! My brother.

The captain, the anchor, the chairman of the board, CEO. Without those key players there is no team.

Passion, drive, determination and great lax IQ is what makes for an outstanding goalie.

God Bless them, everyone

Originally Posted by Anonymous

goalie no different than fogo. best positions on field...no other has such impact on game.

Fogo's play about 5 minutes in an entire game while the goalie plays every minute. No comparison between the two.

Using your logic , he only plays half the game . What about when his team has possession.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

goalie no different than fogo. best positions on field...no other has such impact on game.

Fogo's play about 5 minutes in an entire game while the goalie plays every minute. No comparison between the two.

Haha that's funny, fogo sets the tone of the game, goalie probably sees LESS than 5 min of action. Most of the time he's picking flowers! Both positions are of great importance and unique. Can't blame poor performance on anyone but yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

To the guy who has spent the last two days raging on this thread, I'm sorry that all of this surprised you and your kid is now the backup goalie but for your own mental health move on. And yes they are not scouting new 2018 prospects. They have their target list as does every other top 20 school. If you're not on it and have not had contact with the school post sept 1st then don't waste your money on this

Easy, UNC has one 2018 commit. Most top 20 schools have yet to come close to completing 2017, with the exception of UNC, Hop and UMD. If a kid who isn't on the UNC list goes down there and blows up some kids on the list, guess what? Someone is going to be off the list! Come on, use your head, you think they have some kind of loyalty? Because they saw another kid first??? Please.

Keep telling yourself that. If you didn't get a personal invite via your club coach or had contact doesn't matter. They are already trying to narrow their list not add to it. Commits maybe low still but the target list is done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

To the guy who has spent the last two days raging on this thread, I'm sorry that all of this surprised you and your kid is now the backup goalie but for your own mental health move on. And yes they are not scouting new 2018 prospects. They have their target list as does every other top 20 school. If you're not on it and have not had contact with the school post sept 1st then don't waste your money on this

Easy, UNC has one 2018 commit. Most top 20 schools have yet to come close to completing 2017, with the exception of UNC, Hop and UMD. If a kid who isn't on the UNC list goes down there and blows up some kids on the list, guess what? Someone is going to be off the list! Come on, use your head, you think they have some kind of loyalty? Because they saw another kid first??? Please.

Keep telling yourself that. If you didn't get a personal invite via your club coach or had contact doesn't matter. They are already trying to narrow their list not add to it. Commits maybe low still but the target list is done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

To the guy who has spent the last two days raging on this thread, I'm sorry that all of this surprised you and your kid is now the backup goalie but for your own mental health move on. And yes they are not scouting new 2018 prospects. They have their target list as does every other top 20 school. If you're not on it and have not had contact with the school post sept 1st then don't waste your money on this

Easy, UNC has one 2018 commit. Most top 20 schools have yet to come close to completing 2017, with the exception of UNC, Hop and UMD. If a kid who isn't on the UNC list goes down there and blows up some kids on the list, guess what? Someone is going to be off the list! Come on, use your head, you think they have some kind of loyalty? Because they saw another kid first??? Please.

Keep telling yourself that. If you didn't get a personal invite via your club coach or had contact doesn't matter. They are already trying to narrow their list not add to it. Commits maybe low still but the target list is done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

To the guy who has spent the last two days raging on this thread, I'm sorry that all of this surprised you and your kid is now the backup goalie but for your own mental health move on. And yes they are not scouting new 2018 prospects. They have their target list as does every other top 20 school. If you're not on it and have not had contact with the school post sept 1st then don't waste your money on this

Easy, UNC has one 2018 commit. Most top 20 schools have yet to come close to completing 2017, with the exception of UNC, Hop and UMD. If a kid who isn't on the UNC list goes down there and blows up some kids on the list, guess what? Someone is going to be off the list! Come on, use your head, you think they have some kind of loyalty? Because they saw another kid first??? Please.

Keep telling yourself that. If you didn't get a personal invite via your club coach or had contact doesn't matter. They are already trying to narrow their list not add to it. Commits maybe low still but the target list is done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

To the guy who has spent the last two days raging on this thread, I'm sorry that all of this surprised you and your kid is now the backup goalie but for your own mental health move on. And yes they are not scouting new 2018 prospects. They have their target list as does every other top 20 school. If you're not on it and have not had contact with the school post sept 1st then don't waste your money on this

Easy, UNC has one 2018 commit. Most top 20 schools have yet to come close to completing 2017, with the exception of UNC, Hop and UMD. If a kid who isn't on the UNC list goes down there and blows up some kids on the list, guess what? Someone is going to be off the list! Come on, use your head, you think they have some kind of loyalty? Because they saw another kid first??? Please.

Keep telling yourself that. If you didn't get a personal invite via your club coach or had contact doesn't matter. They are already trying to narrow their list not add to it. Commits maybe low still but the target list is done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

To the guy who has spent the last two days raging on this thread, I'm sorry that all of this surprised you and your kid is now the backup goalie but for your own mental health move on. And yes they are not scouting new 2018 prospects. They have their target list as does every other top 20 school. If you're not on it and have not had contact with the school post sept 1st then don't waste your money on this

Easy, UNC has one 2018 commit. Most top 20 schools have yet to come close to completing 2017, with the exception of UNC, Hop and UMD. If a kid who isn't on the UNC list goes down there and blows up some kids on the list, guess what? Someone is going to be off the list! Come on, use your head, you think they have some kind of loyalty? Because they saw another kid first??? Please.

Keep telling yourself that. If you didn't get a personal invite via your club coach or had contact doesn't matter. They are already trying to narrow their list not add to it. Commits maybe low still but the target list is done.

Yeah let's see coachs win a championship when they are married to a list of 8th graders for spots in five years. UNC is not a great school academically anyway.

Keep telling yourself my kids name is on a target list... He's untouchable, the coaches won't look at anyone else... You're so far away from getting a slot it's ridiculous. Ask yourself, who is UNC looking at when they attend these fall tournaments and showcases? You think only your kid? When they see an Allstar at FPS, that list will be out the window, I promise you. Further, when that winter camp is full, a few spots will open up for some kids they want there and you'll never hear about it. Settle down, you have no idea what you're in for. They will drop you like bad habit the minute they see a better option.

If you are an all star at one of the top showcases you are more than likely from a top club and on many target lists. There are very few "surprises" at these events. And again, don't go to these prospect days unless you have had contact or confirmed you are on target list. You're wasting money otherwise.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

To the guy who has spent the last two days raging on this thread, I'm sorry that all of this surprised you and your kid is now the backup goalie but for your own mental health move on. And yes they are not scouting new 2018 prospects. They have their target list as does every other top 20 school. If you're not on it and have not had contact with the school post sept 1st then don't waste your money on this

Easy, UNC has one 2018 commit. Most top 20 schools have yet to come close to completing 2017, with the exception of UNC, Hop and UMD. If a kid who isn't on the UNC list goes down there and blows up some kids on the list, guess what? Someone is going to be off the list! Come on, use your head, you think they have some kind of loyalty? Because they saw another kid first??? Please.

Keep telling yourself that. If you didn't get a personal invite via your club coach or had contact doesn't matter. They are already trying to narrow their list not add to it. Commits maybe low still but the target list is done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

To the guy who has spent the last two days raging on this thread, I'm sorry that all of this surprised you and your kid is now the backup goalie but for your own mental health move on. And yes they are not scouting new 2018 prospects. They have their target list as does every other top 20 school. If you're not on it and have not had contact with the school post sept 1st then don't waste your money on this

Easy, UNC has one 2018 commit. Most top 20 schools have yet to come close to completing 2017, with the exception of UNC, Hop and UMD. If a kid who isn't on the UNC list goes down there and blows up some kids on the list, guess what? Someone is going to be off the list! Come on, use your head, you think they have some kind of loyalty? Because they saw another kid first??? Please.

Keep telling yourself that. If you didn't get a personal invite via your club coach or had contact doesn't matter. They are already trying to narrow their list not add to it. Commits maybe low still but the target list is done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

To the guy who has spent the last two days raging on this thread, I'm sorry that all of this surprised you and your kid is now the backup goalie but for your own mental health move on. And yes they are not scouting new 2018 prospects. They have their target list as does every other top 20 school. If you're not on it and have not had contact with the school post sept 1st then don't waste your money on this

Easy, UNC has one 2018 commit. Most top 20 schools have yet to come close to completing 2017, with the exception of UNC, Hop and UMD. If a kid who isn't on the UNC list goes down there and blows up some kids on the list, guess what? Someone is going to be off the list! Come on, use your head, you think they have some kind of loyalty? Because they saw another kid first??? Please.

Keep telling yourself that. If you didn't get a personal invite via your club coach or had contact doesn't matter. They are already trying to narrow their list not add to it. Commits maybe low still but the target list is done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

To the guy who has spent the last two days raging on this thread, I'm sorry that all of this surprised you and your kid is now the backup goalie but for your own mental health move on. And yes they are not scouting new 2018 prospects. They have their target list as does every other top 20 school. If you're not on it and have not had contact with the school post sept 1st then don't waste your money on this

Easy, UNC has one 2018 commit. Most top 20 schools have yet to come close to completing 2017, with the exception of UNC, Hop and UMD. If a kid who isn't on the UNC list goes down there and blows up some kids on the list, guess what? Someone is going to be off the list! Come on, use your head, you think they have some kind of loyalty? Because they saw another kid first??? Please.

Keep telling yourself that. If you didn't get a personal invite via your club coach or had contact doesn't matter. They are already trying to narrow their list not add to it. Commits maybe low still but the target list is done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

To the guy who has spent the last two days raging on this thread, I'm sorry that all of this surprised you and your kid is now the backup goalie but for your own mental health move on. And yes they are not scouting new 2018 prospects. They have their target list as does every other top 20 school. If you're not on it and have not had contact with the school post sept 1st then don't waste your money on this

Easy, UNC has one 2018 commit. Most top 20 schools have yet to come close to completing 2017, with the exception of UNC, Hop and UMD. If a kid who isn't on the UNC list goes down there and blows up some kids on the list, guess what? Someone is going to be off the list! Come on, use your head, you think they have some kind of loyalty? Because they saw another kid first??? Please.

Keep telling yourself that. If you didn't get a personal invite via your club coach or had contact doesn't matter. They are already trying to narrow their list not add to it. Commits maybe low still but the target list is done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Was going to register for UNC 2018 prospect day next month, but have heard they have finished recruiting this class and that this fall they will be working on 2019s and 2020s

I pray you're joking� though scary believable

To the guy who has spent the last two days raging on this thread, I'm sorry that all of this surprised you and your kid is now the backup goalie but for your own mental health move on. And yes they are not scouting new 2018 prospects. They have their target list as does every other top 20 school. If you're not on it and have not had contact with the school post sept 1st then don't waste your money on this

Keep telling yourself my kids name is on a target list... He's untouchable, the coaches won't look at anyone else... You're so far away from getting a slot it's ridiculous. Ask yourself, who is UNC looking at when they attend these fall tournaments and showcases? You think only your kid? When they see an Allstar at FPS, that list will be out the window, I promise you. Further, when that winter camp is full, a few spots will open up for some kids they want there and you'll never hear about it. Settle down, you have no idea what you're in for. They will drop you like bad habit the minute they see a better option.

The list ain't done until Little Johnny makes it though tryouts. Even then he is not guaranteed to step on the field during a game. If your freshman in HS is on a coach's list, that's great, if he is verbally committed, awesome. Now he has to hit the books (maybe not for UNC) do well on his SATS, not get caught drinking or smoking, get bigger! stronger faster and better. If your kid isn't on the list he has to do the same thing, and knock Johnny off the list.

Keep telling yourself my kids name is on a target list... He's untouchable, the coaches won't look at anyone else... You're so far away from getting a slot it's ridiculous. Ask yourself, who is UNC looking at when they attend these fall tournaments and showcases? You think only your kid? When they see an Allstar at FPS, that list will be out the window, I promise you. Further, when that winter camp is full, a few spots will open up for some kids they want there and you'll never hear about it. Settle down, you have no idea what you're in for. They will drop you like bad habit the minute they see a better option. [/quote]

Especially UNC, slot/$ is never safe there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are an all star at one of the top showcases you are more than likely from a top club and on many target lists. There are very few "surprises" at these events. And again, don't go to these prospect days unless you have had contact or confirmed you are on target list. You're wasting money otherwise.

Oh boy. You really have it all figured out. I guess all those kids that used to 2017's and will now be 2018's en-route to repeating the 9th grade at their private school after doing 9th grade in public will have no effect on the recruiting landscape either. Good luck there Mr. know it all... LOL. I bet you weren't counting on that surprise, were you???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are an all star at one of the top showcases you are more than likely from a top club and on many target lists. There are very few "surprises" at these events. And again, don't go to these prospect days unless you have had contact or confirmed you are on target list. You're wasting money otherwise.

Oh boy. You really have it all figured out. I guess all those kids that used to 2017's and will now be 2018's en-route to repeating the 9th grade at their private school after doing 9th grade in public will have no effect on the recruiting landscape either. Good luck there Mr. know it all... LOL. I bet you weren't counting on that surprise, were you???

Ha! Not surprised at all. I just did that with my kid. Now a 2018 and it is amazing at the doors that opens. The pvt school tuition sux but playing club ball on "scholarship" so helps a bit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are an all star at one of the top showcases you are more than likely from a top club and on many target lists. There are very few "surprises" at these events. And again, don't go to these prospect days unless you have had contact or confirmed you are on target list. You're wasting money otherwise.

Oh boy. You really have it all figured out. I guess all those kids that used to 2017's and will now be 2018's en-route to repeating the 9th grade at their private school after doing 9th grade in public will have no effect on the recruiting landscape either. Good luck there Mr. know it all... LOL. I bet you weren't counting on that surprise, were you???

Ha! Not surprised at all. I just did that with my kid. Now a 2018 and it is amazing at the doors that opens. The pvt school tuition sux but playing club ball on "scholarship" so helps a bit.

SUUUURRREEE you did!

The reclassed 2018 goalie, NOW 2019 goalie who will be attending Chaminade HS next Sept and playing in the cage the following spring will never be forgotten about.

We all know he child will be applying and get accepted to the school, and he will make the team, as he is an Express player.

To that end.....

The goalies who would like to be a part of the Chaminade HS Class of 2019 are all taking the CHSEE on October 26th.

Right now these boys are working with trainers, practicing with their teams and studying hard.

They have not and will never put to rest the fact that a 2018 goalie reclassed to gain a position which should have been theirs if he was not there.

Keeping the dream alive for themselves is what they are all focusing on.

Power to the Players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The reclassed 2018 goalie, NOW 2019 goalie who will be attending Chaminade HS next Sept and playing in the cage the following spring will never be forgotten about.

We all know he child will be applying and get accepted to the school, and he will make the team, as he is an Express player.

To that end.....

The goalies who would like to be a part of the Chaminade HS Class of 2019 are all taking the CHSEE on October 26th.

Right now these boys are working with trainers, practicing with their teams and studying hard.

They have not and will never put to rest the fact that a 2018 goalie reclassed to gain a position which should have been theirs if he was not there.

Keeping the dream alive for themselves is what they are all focusing on.

Power to the Players.

Here's some more fuel to the fire... Crabs 2018 Defenseman just committed to Hop.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The reclassed 2018 goalie, NOW 2019 goalie who will be attending Chaminade HS next Sept and playing in the cage the following spring will never be forgotten about.

We all know he child will be applying and get accepted to the school, and he will make the team, as he is an Express player.

To that end.....

The goalies who would like to be a part of the Chaminade HS Class of 2019 are all taking the CHSEE on October 26th.

Right now these boys are working with trainers, practicing with their teams and studying hard.

They have not and will never put to rest the fact that a 2018 goalie reclassed to gain a position which should have been theirs if he was not there.

Keeping the dream alive for themselves is what they are all focusing on.

Power to the Players.

Here's some more fuel to the fire... Crabs 2018 Defenseman just committed to Hop.

When you say "more fuel to the fire," does that mean the Crab 2018 D-man is a re-class?

As long as the TRUE 2019 goalies keep getting better, they will be going places, in spite of the reclassified goalie.

anybody attend prospect camps this weekend? any feedback? good competition? well organized? worth the money?

Its absolutely disgusting that some parents are so obsessed with this that they hold their kid back. What are you teaching you son???? I have been hearing about this reclassifying so much lately and it is absolutely mind boggling. Let the kids be KIDS!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its absolutely disgusting that some parents are so obsessed with this that they hold their kid back. What are you teaching you son???? I have been hearing about this reclassifying so much lately and it is absolutely mind boggling. Let the kids be KIDS!!!!!

Your point is duly noted and has been noted numerous times before. Hasn't this horse been beaten to death?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The reclassed 2018 goalie, NOW 2019 goalie who will be attending Chaminade HS next Sept and playing in the cage the following spring will never be forgotten about.

We all know he child will be applying and get accepted to the school, and he will make the team, as he is an Express player.

To that end.....

The goalies who would like to be a part of the Chaminade HS Class of 2019 are all taking the CHSEE on October 26th.

Right now these boys are working with trainers, practicing with their teams and studying hard.

They have not and will never put to rest the fact that a 2018 goalie reclassed to gain a position which should have been theirs if he was not there.

Keeping the dream alive for themselves is what they are all focusing on.

Power to the Players.

Here's some more fuel to the fire... Crabs 2018 Defenseman just committed to Hop.

When you say "more fuel to the fire," does that mean the Crab 2018 D-man is a re-class?

Go to the Crabs website. Look under "Summer 2013" team was "u15AA". You will see his name. So yes, he was a 2017 now he is a 2018. Crabs always have loads of holdbacks.

I see the participant list for the Philly Showcase (2016/2017) is out. Anyone know when the Freshman Showcase list will be posted?

I am curious to see if anyone who reclassed after Freshman year will attend this event for a second time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go to the Crabs website. Look under "Summer 2013" team was "u15AA". You will see his name. So yes, he was a 2017 now he is a 2018. Crabs always have loads of holdbacks.

Maybe he was playing up?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The reclassed 2018 goalie, NOW 2019 goalie who will be attending Chaminade HS next Sept and playing in the cage the following spring will never be forgotten about.

We all know he child will be applying and get accepted to the school, and he will make the team, as he is an Express player.

To that end.....

The goalies who would like to be a part of the Chaminade HS Class of 2019 are all taking the CHSEE on October 26th.

Right now these boys are working with trainers, practicing with their teams and studying hard.

They have not and will never put to rest the fact that a 2018 goalie reclassed to gain a position which should have been theirs if he was not there.

Keeping the dream alive for themselves is what they are all focusing on.

Power to the Players.

Here's some more fuel to the fire... Crabs 2018 Defenseman just committed to Hop.

When you say "more fuel to the fire," does that mean the Crab 2018 D-man is a re-class?

Go to the Crabs website. Look under "Summer 2013" team was "u15AA". You will see his name. So yes, he was a 2017 now he is a 2018. Crabs always have loads of holdbacks.

That is just so SHOCKING... Couldn't get recruited as a 2017, goes to Hop as a 2018. If the kid couldn't compete as a 2017 why does Petro think he'll be able handle the older kids when he gets on campus? Odd.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The reclassed 2018 goalie, NOW 2019 goalie who will be attending Chaminade HS next Sept and playing in the cage the following spring will never be forgotten about.

We all know he child will be applying and get accepted to the school, and he will make the team, as he is an Express player.

To that end.....

The goalies who would like to be a part of the Chaminade HS Class of 2019 are all taking the CHSEE on October 26th.

Right now these boys are working with trainers, practicing with their teams and studying hard.

They have not and will never put to rest the fact that a 2018 goalie reclassed to gain a position which should have been theirs if he was not there.

Keeping the dream alive for themselves is what they are all focusing on.

Power to the Players.

Here's some more fuel to the fire... Crabs 2018 Defenseman just committed to Hop.

When you say "more fuel to the fire," does that mean the Crab 2018 D-man is a re-class?

Go to the Crabs website. Look under "Summer 2013" team was "u15AA". You will see his name. So yes, he was a 2017 now he is a 2018. Crabs always have loads of holdbacks.

Do your research. Kid was in 7th grade as a U15AA player. Writing was on the wall back then. True 2018 playing up with then 2017's. Give it a rest. Good kid. Good family. Move it along.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The reclassed 2018 goalie, NOW 2019 goalie who will be attending Chaminade HS next Sept and playing in the cage the following spring will never be forgotten about.

We all know he child will be applying and get accepted to the school, and he will make the team, as he is an Express player.

To that end.....

The goalies who would like to be a part of the Chaminade HS Class of 2019 are all taking the CHSEE on October 26th.

Right now these boys are working with trainers, practicing with their teams and studying hard.

They have not and will never put to rest the fact that a 2018 goalie reclassed to gain a position which should have been theirs if he was not there.

Keeping the dream alive for themselves is what they are all focusing on.

Power to the Players.

Here's some more fuel to the fire... Crabs 2018 Defenseman just committed to Hop.

When you say "more fuel to the fire," does that mean the Crab 2018 D-man is a re-class?

Go to the Crabs website. Look under "Summer 2013" team was "u15AA". You will see his name. So yes, he was a 2017 now he is a 2018. Crabs always have loads of holdbacks.

Do your research. Kid was in 7th grade as a U15AA player. Writing was on the wall back then. True 2018 playing up with then 2017's. Give it a rest. Good kid. Good family. Move it along.

I'm not doubting hes a good kid and I am sure his family are great people. But I am doubting that Crabs had or NEEDED a kid to play "up". That smells funky. But congrats to the young man regardless.

Good to see that we are acknowledging each others points without bashing a child or his family.

This NOW 2019 goalie story will never go away because of the decision MANY families will be making shortly.

Thanks for the Crabs update.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The reclassed 2018 goalie, NOW 2019 goalie who will be attending Chaminade HS next Sept and playing in the cage the following spring will never be forgotten about.

We all know he child will be applying and get accepted to the school, and he will make the team, as he is an Express player.

To that end.....

The goalies who would like to be a part of the Chaminade HS Class of 2019 are all taking the CHSEE on October 26th.

Right now these boys are working with trainers, practicing with their teams and studying hard.

They have not and will never put to rest the fact that a 2018 goalie reclassed to gain a position which should have been theirs if he was not there.

Keeping the dream alive for themselves is what they are all focusing on.

Power to the Players.

Here's some more fuel to the fire... Crabs 2018 Defenseman just committed to Hop.

When you say "more fuel to the fire," does that mean the Crab 2018 D-man is a re-class?

Go to the Crabs website. Look under "Summer 2013" team was "u15AA". You will see his name. So yes, he was a 2017 now he is a 2018. Crabs always have loads of holdbacks.

Do your research. Kid was in 7th grade as a U15AA player. Writing was on the wall back then. True 2018 playing up with then 2017's. Give it a rest. Good kid. Good family. Move it along.

if this is the case then yes this is the model that the better players should follow... play up not down. If this is the case, then yes the coaches are smarter than we sideline jockey's are... and good for them.

I'd jut like to see the DOB to understand what true 2018 menas. Was he born in 2000 because if not and is 1999 or later he is not playing up In MY OPINION. and don't give me the ole Sept '99. I know I know it is recognized as being able to play... that is not what I am saying don't boast playing up when you are close in age to those above you and don't boast in age when you are older than most you are playing against.

It is all a joke anyway. what these people don't realize is that they are basically buying their kid a spot...at a school he could have gotten into anyway.

None of these kids will get need based money at any school, so at $60k annual tuition, and 25% athletic scholarship (none at Ivy or Patriot League or necac) and an extra year at catholic or PG, these people are all financial losers.

It is a suckers bet unless you are loaded and lax can get you to IVY...For anyone that can get into patriot league schools, they are better off going to a better nescac school playing d-3 and getting A's rather than play lax full time for free...

Most of these kids can get into Maryland without lax...and you can get more $ for your brains than you can for lax at most schools.

I will never understand why someone would put their kid out there (notice the use of their and there) to be embarrassed all for a shot at a D-1 lax spot at a school other than IVY. The shot at IVY is slim at best, so you are paying a fortune to get your kid a spot at UNC? Really? Great school and all, but not worth a year of my son's life just too make me proud.

Proud of my kid today and always, no reason to tell him he is not good enough publicly.

not too mention, I have no interest ever, in paying for something at a premium to its worth.

Better to go to CC for two years and transfer and give the kid the money for MBA, or deposit on first home.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The reclassed 2018 goalie, NOW 2019 goalie who will be attending Chaminade HS next Sept and playing in the cage the following spring will never be forgotten about.

We all know he child will be applying and get accepted to the school, and he will make the team, as he is an Express player.

To that end.....

The goalies who would like to be a part of the Chaminade HS Class of 2019 are all taking the CHSEE on October 26th.

Right now these boys are working with trainers, practicing with their teams and studying hard.

They have not and will never put to rest the fact that a 2018 goalie reclassed to gain a position which should have been theirs if he was not there.

Keeping the dream alive for themselves is what they are all focusing on.

Power to the Players.

Here's some more fuel to the fire... Crabs 2018 Defenseman just committed to Hop.

When you say "more fuel to the fire," does that mean the Crab 2018 D-man is a re-class?

Go to the Crabs website. Look under "Summer 2013" team was "u15AA". You will see his name. So yes, he was a 2017 now he is a 2018. Crabs always have loads of holdbacks.

Do your research. Kid was in 7th grade as a U15AA player. Writing was on the wall back then. True 2018 playing up with then 2017's. Give it a rest. Good kid. Good family. Move it along.

if this is the case then yes this is the model that the better players should follow... play up not down. If this is the case, then yes the coaches are smarter than we sideline jockey's are... and good for them.

I'd jut like to see the DOB to understand what true 2018 menas. Was he born in 2000 because if not and is 1999 or later he is not playing up In MY OPINION. and don't give me the ole Sept '99. I know I know it is recognized as being able to play... that is not what I am saying don't boast playing up when you are close in age to those above you and don't boast in age when you are older than most you are playing against.

Your "opinion" is valid if your lacrosse world is just NY. But if you are being measured against most other states, it would be more equitable to use the "U" system. 2018 would be U15, 2017 would be U16.......

Great post. Although I would lump Duke and ND in with IVY's. Either way slim to little chance at those school for vast majority of kids. But there are lots of great academic schools that give academic money, have terrific job placement after graduation and competitive lax programs. Everyone wins!

I think if you look at the attached from LaxPower and listen to Ryan Boyle on Inside Lacrosse, we will all think twice about the rat race of club lacrosse.

http://network.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=52732&start=20

Let's all step back from this a minute, who is driving the reclassifying rat race? Club owners. Clubs want to have winning teams because it is good for the bottom line. Older kids tend to beat younger kids. They also would love an additional year of club fees and other fees from daddys who dreeeeaaaaaammmm of junior playing D1 lax, and will fly all over the country (if you play on a national team) whenever they are told to so the club can win against other younger teams.

If your kid is good and a good student, he can play D1 lacrosse without staying back. If you keep your kid back for academic reasons then maybe he should not contemplate playing a D1 sport and missing a lot of class in college. Just sayin'.

You just might keep your kid back, make him go to classes and play with younger kids and he still might not get a call from JH, ND or Yale. It has to be considered.

There are kids who spend big money on prep schools and end up DIII. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but I don't think that was what the plan originally was.

Why not tell your kid to open up the books and hit the gym instead of opening your checkbook?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think if you look at the attached from LaxPower and listen to Ryan Boyle on Inside Lacrosse, we will all think twice about the rat race of club lacrosse.

http://network.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=52732&start=20

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!! LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think if you look at the attached from LaxPower and listen to Ryan Boyle on Inside Lacrosse, we will all think twice about the rat race of club lacrosse.

http://network.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=52732&start=20

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!! LOL

Brendan Luu commits to Yale. Is this the 2018 91 Orange faceoff kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brendan Luu commits to Yale. Is this the 2018 91 Orange faceoff kid.

Wasn't he a riptide kid at one time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brendan Luu commits to Yale. Is this the 2018 91 Orange faceoff kid.

Wasn't he a riptide kid at one time.

No. Older brother

2016 kid

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brendan Luu commits to Yale. Is this the 2018 91 Orange faceoff kid.

Nice job Brendan Luu.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anybody attend prospect camps this weekend? any feedback? good competition? well organized? worth the money?

We went to UMich, there were about 48 player, of which 46 were 2018 and 2 2017. Excellent showing from several of the LI players, nice campus, great athletic facilities and outstanding academic support for athletes. I suggest if you get offered for the prospect weekend, go! Players from all over the country, both coast and everywhere in between.

5 Terps
4 91 Extreme (actually 5, former fl$)
handful of other LI Players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anybody attend prospect camps this weekend? any feedback? good competition? well organized? worth the money?

We went to UMich, there were about 48 player, of which 46 were 2018 and 2 2017. Excellent showing from several of the LI players, nice campus, great athletic facilities and outstanding academic support for athletes. I suggest if you get offered for the prospect weekend, go! Players from all over the country, both coast and everywhere in between.

5 Terps
4 91 Extreme (actually 5, former fl$)

And everyone with a pulse who was on 175 mailing list was invited. Save 2k and a trip to MI!
handful of other LI Players.

upenn - extremely skilled players. mostly 10th grade, many 11th, few 9th plus most of their committed players. well organized and run.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anybody attend prospect camps this weekend? any feedback? good competition? well organized? worth the money?

We went to UMich, there were about 48 player, of which 46 were 2018 and 2 2017. Excellent showing from several of the LI players, nice campus, great athletic facilities and outstanding academic support for athletes. I suggest if you get offered for the prospect weekend, go! Players from all over the country, both coast and everywhere in between.

5 Terps
4 91 Extreme (actually 5, former fl$)
handful of other LI Players.

How about the new Ty Xanders "recruiting rundown" website. He put a photo of the new Michigan commit on there, with an actually PHOTO with the coaches from Mich and the player, insanity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anybody attend prospect camps this weekend? any feedback? good competition? well organized? worth the money?

We went to UMich, there were about 48 player, of which 46 were 2018 and 2 2017. Excellent showing from several of the LI players, nice campus, great athletic facilities and outstanding academic support for athletes. I suggest if you get offered for the prospect weekend, go! Players from all over the country, both coast and everywhere in between.

5 Terps
4 91 Extreme (actually 5, former fl$)
handful of other LI Players.

How about the new Ty Xanders "recruiting rundown" website. He put a photo of the new Michigan commit on there, with an actually PHOTO with the coaches from Mich and the player, insanity.

Why? It's a website about lacrosse recruiting!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anybody attend prospect camps this weekend? any feedback? good competition? well organized? worth the money?

We went to UMich, there were about 48 player, of which 46 were 2018 and 2 2017. Excellent showing from several of the LI players, nice campus, great athletic facilities and outstanding academic support for athletes. I suggest if you get offered for the prospect weekend, go! Players from all over the country, both coast and everywhere in between.

5 Terps
4 91 Extreme (actually 5, former fl$)
handful of other LI Players.

How about the new Ty Xanders "recruiting rundown" website. He put a photo of the new Michigan commit on there, with an actually PHOTO with the coaches from Mich and the player, insanity.

Why? It's a website about lacrosse recruiting!

Well, its a 9th grade student taking a photo with a D1 coaching staff, you don't see the issue with that? I have never seen that in ANY sport when a kid commits early. Schools NEVER acknowledge the commitment publicly. Meanwhile this is CONSTANT banter in media in all sports about early recruiting, and there might be a tiny bit of issues going on at that university right now anyway (AD, football, concussions, HELLO!)

Preliminary player list was released for the Philly Showcase

Philly Freshmen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Preliminary player list was released for the Philly Showcase

Philly Freshmen

this cannot be by invitation based on some of the names I see. assuming most can get a recommendation if they want.

here is you LI list for the freshman philly showcase

New [lacrosse]

Bobby Abshire, M, Commack
Nat Amato, M, Huntington
Alex Bamford, A, Brunswick
Andrew Bonafede, G, Chaminade
Gregory Capelle, D, Herricks
Connor Cassidy, M, Cold Spring Harbor
Dean Damelio, M, Cold Spring Harbor
Andrew Derasmo, A, Harborfields
Ryan Doran, A, Half Hollow Hills East
Joseph Duchnowski, A, St. Anthony's
Michael Giaquinto, M, Ward Melville
Jordan Ginder, M, Poly Prep
Jack Golden, M, Chaminade
Michael Gomez, D, Half Hollow Hills East
Matthew Grillo, A, Ward Melville
Gavin Guerrera, D, Wantagh
Michael Hagenberger, LSM, Mount Sinai
Aidan Hinphy, LSM, Cold Spring Harbor
Zachary Hobbes, M, Ward Melville
Jack Jones, A, St. Anthony's
Brady Kenally, D, St. Anthony's
Will Kusnierek, M, Chaminade
Sean Kuttin, M, Chaminade
Christopher Laibach, M, Wantagh
J.P. Lannig, A, Syosset
Timmy Ley, A, Massapequa
Frank Marinello, D, Chaminade
Drew Martin, M, Half Hollow Hills East
Matthew McGowan, G, Walt Whitman
Joseph Neuman, M, Walt Whitman
Anthony Novellano, G, East Islip
Matthew O'Brien, D, Chaminade
Daniel Ochs, LSM, Syosset
Jake Plunkett, D, Kings Park
Christopher Porzelt, G, Cold Spring Harbor
Nolen Rockefeller, M, Deerfield
Tommy Rooney, A, Syosset
Matthew Russo, M, Smithtown East
Matthew Sageder, G, Mount Sinai
Kyle Steinbach, M, Garden City
Anthony Tangredy, D, Chaminade
Alex Vardaro, M, Hewlett
Max Verch, D, Syosset
Christian Villani, M, Smithtown East -
Patrick Walsh, M, Wantagh
Ryan Walsh, A, Northport
Jake Wandle, A, Rocky Point
George Wichelns, A, Connetquot -
Kevin Winkoff, A, Cold Spring Harbor
Kyle Zawadzki, LSM, Smithtown West

There are players from Long Island named to this event that are not even good enough to play on some B teams. Guess its who you know. Too bad politics involved again in an event.

Guess your kid didn't get an invite? Why not be happy for those that did or at least share some rationale for why you think it wasn't fair...The names I recognize are all deserving.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are players from Long Island named to this event that are not even good enough to play on some B teams. Guess its who you know. Too bad politics involved again in an event.

Congratulations to all that made it, play well, stay healthy and have fun.

Wouldnt be right to name players. There are a few players who dont even play on A teams or B teams. Yes they tried out for teams and didnt make them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anybody attend prospect camps this weekend? any feedback? good competition? well organized? worth the money?

We went to UMich, there were about 48 player, of which 46 were 2018 and 2 2017. Excellent showing from several of the LI players, nice campus, great athletic facilities and outstanding academic support for athletes. I suggest if you get offered for the prospect weekend, go! Players from all over the country, both coast and everywhere in between.

5 Terps
4 91 Extreme (actually 5, former fl$)
handful of other LI Players.

How about the new Ty Xanders "recruiting rundown" website. He put a photo of the new Michigan commit on there, with an actually PHOTO with the coaches from Mich and the player, insanity.

Why? It's a website about lacrosse recruiting!

Well, its a 9th grade student taking a photo with a D1 coaching staff, you don't see the issue with that? I have never seen that in ANY sport when a kid commits early. Schools NEVER acknowledge the commitment publicly. Meanwhile this is CONSTANT banter in media in all sports about early recruiting, and there might be a tiny bit of issues going on at that university right now anyway (AD, football, concussions, HELLO!)

There's nothing wrong with the ninth grader having a picture taken with the coach. It happens all the time. You can go to several club lacrosse websites and see their players having pictures with the college lacrosse coaches posted on their websites. Its very common There's no violation of any recruiting rule there. Coaches acknowledge 9th and 10th grade recruits all the time. Inside Lacrosse commitment list is verified not only with the player but also with the coaches. Therefore the coaches obviously acknowledge the recruits (With the exception of being some of the ivies)

The whole concussion thing has nothing to do with early recruiting recruiting violations. If Michigan football was 5-0 we wouldn't be hearing anything about a concussion. Have you forgotten about the cheating scandal at Notre Dame. Of course you have because they are 5-0. Winning fixes everything. Don't confuse big-time football which is generates a huge revenue source with a non-revenue-generating sport like lacrosse.

So HELLO no one sees any issue with this.

I don't know all the names, but the names I expected to see are there.

Think there are enough CSH kids ?

6 - Chaminade
1 - GC
0 - Manhasset

......weird on the last two, but ok. Then you get 5 from Cold Spring Harbor?

P.S. I am not his Dad, but GC kid can really play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wouldnt be right to name players. There are a few players who dont even play on A teams or B teams. Yes they tried out for teams and didnt make them.

So in 9th grade they should be banned from all the showcases ...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wouldnt be right to name players. There are a few players who dont even play on A teams or B teams. Yes they tried out for teams and didnt make them.

So in 9th grade they should be banned from all the showcases ...

What dont you get. These are tryouts that just occurred. Cant say oh they got better over the summer, hit puberty, etc. If they weren't good enough to make an A or B teams how could they be included in a showcase for the best players from all over the country. There is one player who is 4th in the depth chart on his team and the 3 ahead of him applied but didn't get picked. Go figure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wouldnt be right to name players. There are a few players who dont even play on A teams or B teams. Yes they tried out for teams and didnt make them.

So in 9th grade they should be banned from all the showcases ...

What dont you get. These are tryouts that just occurred. Cant say oh they got better over the summer, hit puberty, etc. If they weren't good enough to make an A or B teams how could they be included in a showcase for the best players from all over the country. There is one player who is 4th in the depth chart on his team and the 3 ahead of him applied but didn't get picked. Go figure.

do coaches always get it right at tryouts? I guess as long as they select your kid they get it right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wouldnt be right to name players. There are a few players who dont even play on A teams or B teams. Yes they tried out for teams and didnt make them.

So in 9th grade they should be banned from all the showcases ...

What dont you get. These are tryouts that just occurred. Cant say oh they got better over the summer, hit puberty, etc. If they weren't good enough to make an A or B teams how could they be included in a showcase for the best players from all over the country. There is one player who is 4th in the depth chart on his team and the 3 ahead of him applied but didn't get picked. Go figure.

do coaches always get it right at tryouts? I guess as long as they select your kid they get it right.

A player might get overlooked at a tryout by one team but usually another team even a weaker program will put a player on their A or even B team. If a player attends multiple tryouts and isn't picked up by a team usually means he isn't capable of playing A or B ball. This is supposedly the best of the best. Some of the kids picked aren't even the best at their position on their team.

This list of 227 players is a good representation of the best players but not perfect by any means. Some of these kids get a free pass from their "B" teams getting to name a few players.

So these kids had no connections to get on a good team but they got into Philly Showcase through monkey business?

Sometimes coaches need to spread the wealth when it comes to recommendations they send some kids to Blackcard, some to Showtinme, some to Jake Reed, etc. but typically they don't just put their best kid in for all of them because other parents expect some love too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So these kids had no connections to get on a good team but they got into Philly Showcase through monkey business?

Sometimes coaches need to spread the wealth when it comes to recommendations they send some kids to Blackcard, some to Showtinme, some to Jake Reed, etc. but typically they don't just put their best kid in for all of them because other parents expect some love too.

I believe many of the kids on the list were recommended by thier school Varsity coaches. Club coaches had thier share of picks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wouldnt be right to name players. There are a few players who dont even play on A teams or B teams. Yes they tried out for teams and didnt make them.

So in 9th grade they should be banned from all the showcases ...

What dont you get. These are tryouts that just occurred. Cant say oh they got better over the summer, hit puberty, etc. If they weren't good enough to make an A or B teams how could they be included in a showcase for the best players from all over the country. There is one player who is 4th in the depth chart on his team and the 3 ahead of him applied but didn't get picked. Go figure.

Maybe he had a stronger advocate... Ever hear of the squeaky wheel theory???

You said a mmoooouuuuuuthful SPANKY!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So these kids had no connections to get on a good team but they got into Philly Showcase through monkey business?

Sometimes coaches need to spread the wealth when it comes to recommendations they send some kids to Blackcard, some to Showtinme, some to Jake Reed, etc. but typically they don't just put their best kid in for all of them because other parents expect some love too.

I believe many of the kids on the list were recommended by thier school Varsity coaches. Club coaches had thier share of picks.

Bingo! When the Varsity coach reccomends a 9th grader and tells them the kid will contribute on Varsity this year, it holds much more weight than club coach xyz...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So these kids had no connections to get on a good team but they got into Philly Showcase through monkey business?

Sometimes coaches need to spread the wealth when it comes to recommendations they send some kids to Blackcard, some to Showtinme, some to Jake Reed, etc. but typically they don't just put their best kid in for all of them because other parents expect some love too.

I believe many of the kids on the list were recommended by their school Varsity coaches. Club coaches had their share of picks.

Each elite club is given 3 to 4 automatic bids. Then they have a list of 3 or 4 kids that they try to get in based on declined invites. Yes some kids used High School Coaches but most use their travel coaches who have automatic bids. Many of the top kids from Long Island are on the list. There are a few from Long Island that in no way have the skill set to even be on the field.

good luck to all the kids going and to all the kids not going

play well
have a good time
STAY HEALTHY

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So these kids had no connections to get on a good team but they got into Philly Showcase through monkey business?

Sometimes coaches need to spread the wealth when it comes to recommendations they send some kids to Blackcard, some to Showtinme, some to Jake Reed, etc. but typically they don't just put their best kid in for all of them because other parents expect some love too.

I believe many of the kids on the list were recommended by thier school Varsity coaches. Club coaches had thier share of picks.

Bingo! When the Varsity coach reccomends a 9th grader and tells them the kid will contribute on Varsity this year, it holds much more weight than club coach xyz...

Yes and if your HS is anything like ours, daddy can get coach to do whatever he wants. Listen in the end, where/if the boy plays will tell the story. Many times its much ado about nothing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So these kids had no connections to get on a good team but they got into Philly Showcase through monkey business?

Sometimes coaches need to spread the wealth when it comes to recommendations they send some kids to Blackcard, some to Showtinme, some to Jake Reed, etc. but typically they don't just put their best kid in for all of them because other parents expect some love too.

I believe many of the kids on the list were recommended by thier school Varsity coaches. Club coaches had thier share of picks.

Bingo! When the Varsity coach reccomends a 9th grader and tells them the kid will contribute on Varsity this year, it holds much more weight than club coach xyz...

Yes and if your HS is anything like ours, daddy can get coach to do whatever he wants. Listen in the end, where/if the boy plays will tell the story. Many times its much ado about nothing.

That maybe so in your HS. However, not in ours. Nor would any respectable coach recommend a kid that couldn't compete. He would never get another kid in.

That list looks good to me looks like a lot of top players from long island.
maybe missed a top player or two but there are a lot of very good players on that list. And know they are not all from extreme or express.
Now watch how the express and extreme kids do when they do not have all that talent around them
Some will do good most you will not even notice them
This is my third time through this at this age.

How does a kid from outside the top hotbeds get an invite for the Philly Showcase? Our HS and club teams are pretty good for our area, but no connections with this event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That list looks good to me looks like a lot of top players from long island.
maybe missed a top player or two but there are a lot of very good players on that list. And know they are not all from extreme or express.
Now watch how the express and extreme kids do when they do not have all that talent around them
Some will do good most you will not even notice them
This is my third time through this at this age.

my poor son is cursed, not only is he an undeserving invite to the philly showcase but he is also an express/terp kid that will never get noticed without all his teammates around him to make him look good. I might not even bother taking him for the embarrassment he is bound to bring upon himself, his team, his family and his country.

Yes, remember the turtles, none of those kids got noticed at any of these events without all their teammates surrounding them...but most already committed to top D-1 programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, remember the turtles, none of those kids got noticed at any of these events without all their teammates surrounding them...but most already committed to top D-1 programs.

Very true. However, while the 2018 terps or Extreme are both great teams, very close in talent, I don't believe either team ever reached the level of total domination that the turtle's achieved. I believe in 8th grade the turtles played up every single game and won almost everyone against the best at that level. Not sure, but I don't think that either of these 2018 teams beat the others 2017 team, the 2017 crabs, 2017 FCA, 2017 SWeetLax, etc. So, not really on the same level as what the turtles were, and no, I'm not a turtle Daddy. To the posters point, while there are some top D1 players on both teams, there are others who are just another really good player that will blend in with other really good players. Lets face it, out of the 200+ players at the event there will be the top 40 all-stars, the 20 or 25 that got in because of a hook, and then the other 200 or so very good players. All of whom have D1 potential for sure.

And if they all make D1 commitments by the end of the event, a third of the available D1 spots will be accounted for before 1st quarter freshman grades are in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And if they all make D1 commitments by the end of the event, a third of the available D1 spots will be accounted for before 1st quarter freshman grades are in.

and if the queen had balls she'd be the king - but neither the queen growing a pair or 200 2018 kids at philly showcase committing are going to happen

So true. they are a great team that is well coached. Have been playing together for a long time. With the exception of 1 or 2 players when they play outside of the turtle team they are very good players. Many of observers have noticed and said that. Nothing wrong with that. Daddy Turtle is very good and persistent at promoting his boys

Cant wait to see selection for ALL STAR TEAM. I can pick it now majority will be all coaches kids and of course few political favors for the big club teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

6 - Chaminade
1 - GC
0 - Manhasset

......weird on the last two, but ok. Then you get 5 from Cold Spring Harbor?

P.S. I am not his Dad, but GC kid can really play.

6 from CSH and 3 from Wantagh?? Come on. Politics at its best!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cant wait to see selection for ALL STAR TEAM. I can pick it now majority will be all coaches kids and of course few political favors for the big club teams.

Going to have some fun with this but these are my picks for the all star team players that will be picked for Philly Freshmen from our area.

Alex Bamford, A, Brunswick Extreme
Andrew Bonafede, G, Chaminade Express
Jordan Ginder, M, Poly Prep Extreme
Sean Kuttin, M, Chaminade Extreme
Frank Marinello, D, Chaminade Extreme
Kyle Steinbach, M, Garden City fl$
Alex Vardaro, M, Hewlett fl$
Christian Villani, M, Smithtown East - Express

There will be a few others that will be selected because of political manipulation. I have a hard time predicting these selections. These types of selections and players are good but not deserving of the accolades that are bestowed upon them through daddy's connections.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cant wait to see selection for ALL STAR TEAM. I can pick it now majority will be all coaches kids and of course few political favors for the big club teams.

Going to have some fun with this but these are my picks for the all star team players that will be picked for Philly Freshmen from our area.

Alex Bamford, A, Brunswick Extreme
Andrew Bonafede, G, Chaminade Express
Jordan Ginder, M, Poly Prep Extreme
Sean Kuttin, M, Chaminade Extreme
Frank Marinello, D, Chaminade Extreme
Kyle Steinbach, M, Garden City fl$
Alex Vardaro, M, Hewlett fl$
Christian Villani, M, Smithtown East - Express

There will be a few others that will be selected because of political manipulation. I have a hard time predicting these selections. These types of selections and players are good but not deserving of the accolades that are bestowed upon them through daddy's connections.

Nice pics. Agree for the most part. Ginder has the most pressure as a fogo. Will they be playing with HS or college rules?

Please share with us more of your insights into allstar game...

Put down te glass and go to bed, no more drunk posting for you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please share with us more of your insights into allstar game...

Put down te glass and go to bed, no more drunk posting for you

Wow you must be a pleasure to be around. Its for fun. That's all. How in the world did this offend you as to be such a d***.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please share with us more of your insights into allstar game...

Put down te glass and go to bed, no more drunk posting for you

Wow you must be a pleasure to be around. Its for fun. That's all. How in the world did this offend you as to be such a d***.

Not the poster above, but I agree with his sentiment. How about you have fun with your own son's name on here and stop listing or not listing other kids names. Believe it or not, there are kids in the group from LI that have been working very hard in the classroom, gym and on the field. These kids are very focused and want to TRY and garner some looks from the coaches at this event. They are there to earn their way on to one of these schools radar. Bitter rants from jealous parents in the name of FUN, who's kid did not make the event, are unsportsmanlike at best. At worst, they are a veiled attempt to tear these kids down. Are there a few political invites in the group from LI? Who knows, maybe? Either way, that will be settled on the field. I say the vast majority are very strong players. They are kids that proved their worth to multiple coaches. Those coaches were motivated by the kids performance to recommend them. Some kids had three or four different coaches recommend them! Point is, most kids earned their spot. If you want to have fun, go have a catch with your own son in the yard, and stop talking about 14 year old boys by name on here. Sorry but you're the D#*K!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cant wait to see selection for ALL STAR TEAM. I can pick it now majority will be all coaches kids and of course few political favors for the big club teams.

Going to have some fun with this but these are my picks for the all star team players that will be picked for Philly Freshmen from our area.

Alex Bamford, A, Brunswick Extreme
Andrew Bonafede, G, Chaminade Express
Jordan Ginder, M, Poly Prep Extreme
Sean Kuttin, M, Chaminade Extreme
Frank Marinello, D, Chaminade Extreme
Kyle Steinbach, M, Garden City fl$
Alex Vardaro, M, Hewlett fl$
Christian Villani, M, Smithtown East - Express

There will be a few others that will be selected because of political manipulation. I have a hard time predicting these selections. These types of selections and players are good but not deserving of the accolades that are bestowed upon them through daddy's connections.

so just to clarify, if a kid is not on your list and makes the all star team it is because of political manipulation and no way because they played well? and all of the above will make the all star game because you all ready know that their play will be deserving?

I was the poster that said go to bed. If you think I am a D*** so be it, but please refrain from using kids names. While you think it is fun to name 14 year old boys on a public website, I do not. I think it is weak and cowardly. Why not just post your name and your kids name and say you expect him to make it. then we will all know who the D*** is.

You must be the father of one of them, I doubt you would post so openly and not include your own. So, please share, who are you? If you can post the kids names and their teams, I suspect you should have no issue putting your name here for all to see...

I agree with the poster that called you a drunk...what other kind of person would post kids names and say that anyone else that makes allstar team is not worthy? That is fun for you? Maybe don't drink on Tuesday and only take meds...taking the meds and drinking clearly not working for you

If you are going to post names, I think you should post odds on each of the boys making the Fab 40.

There are 12 teams at the event and 74 registered attack. This will be the most difficult position to get looks. It is also the easiest to evaluate as you can measure goals/assists.

Based on the real list, I would rather take my chances with a long pole over a short stick. 12 LSMs and 40 D are listed.

SHAME on you for posting boys names.

What makes you the Mad Dog/Boomer and Carton of lacrosse picks???

We are all curious as to your credentials which make you the authority on who should be making the ALL STAR team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are going to post names, I think you should post odds on each of the boys making the Fab 40.

There are 12 teams at the event and 74 registered attack. This will be the most difficult position to get looks. It is also the easiest to evaluate as you can measure goals/assists.

Based on the real list, I would rather take my chances with a long pole over a short stick. 12 LSMs and 40 D are listed.

I think you should post your name on here! The odds of that are zero. No you'd rather try to pick on 14 year old boys. Better yet, why don't you approach one of parents of the kids who made it from LI face to face, start yapping about whether or not their son will make the all-star team? Chances of that? Less than zero. Now go back in your hole, you 50 year old punk. Leave the kids alone and go speculate about your own son.

First things first all of these boys names are posted on multiple websites, this one included #87488 - 10/06/14 01:41 PM. Go to the NXT website and they are posted. They are posted on facebook, instagram, and twitter daily as promotion for the event.

All the boys mentioned are some of the best out there. It absolutely is a compliment to the boys I mention. What is the big deal about predicting who might or might not make the all star team. Wasn't berating or putting anyone down. These are just the best players I think at their positions going to the event. There are a number of players that will standout from Long Island at the event that will surprise. The players I mention again are some of the strongest at their positions. If someones opinion isnt the same as yours its wrong. If I said they stunk and were horrible that would be a different story. Good luck to all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are going to post names, I think you should post odds on each of the boys making the Fab 40.

There are 12 teams at the event and 74 registered attack. This will be the most difficult position to get looks. It is also the easiest to evaluate as you can measure goals/assists.

Based on the real list, I would rather take my chances with a long pole over a short stick. 12 LSMs and 40 D are listed.

I think you should post your name on here! The odds of that are zero. No you'd rather try to pick on 14 year old boys. Better yet, why don't you approach one of parents of the kids who made it from LI face to face, start yapping about whether or not their son will make the all-star team? Chances of that? Less than zero. Now go back in your hole, you 50 year old punk. Leave the kids alone and go speculate about your own son.

I should of used my ridiculaous font. I agree 100% with you. I was trying to point out how absurd it is that names were posted in the first place.

I do think the attack list is way too long. If my son is assigned to a team with more than 6 attack I will be very disappointed. There really is no reason to have more than 5 per team in this sort of showcase. Simply not enough games to require such a large roster.

I do find it funny that quite regularly anonymous posts are made suggesting that others postsers should reveal their names.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First things first all of these boys names are posted on multiple websites, this one included #87488 - 10/06/14 01:41 PM. Go to the NXT website and they are posted. They are posted on facebook, instagram, and twitter daily as promotion for the event.

All the boys mentioned are some of the best out there. It absolutely is a compliment to the boys I mention. What is the big deal about predicting who might or might not make the all star team. Wasn't berating or putting anyone down. These are just the best players I think at their positions going to the event. There are a number of players that will standout from Long Island at the event that will surprise. The players I mention again are some of the strongest at their positions. If someones opinion isnt the same as yours its wrong. If I said they stunk and were horrible that would be a different story. Good luck to all.

revisionist history dude - when you posted the original list you followed up with

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"There will be a few others that will be selected because of political manipulation. I have a hard time predicting these selections. These types of selections and players are good but not deserving of the accolades that are bestowed upon them through daddy's connections."

you claim you were not berating or putting anyone down? saying that if they are not on your list and make the team it is "because of political manipulation"? or " These types of selections and players are good but not deserving" how could that NOT be considered berating or putting down.

Man up and post YOUR name !!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are going to post names, I think you should post odds on each of the boys making the Fab 40.

There are 12 teams at the event and 74 registered attack. This will be the most difficult position to get looks. It is also the easiest to evaluate as you can measure goals/assists.

Based on the real list, I would rather take my chances with a long pole over a short stick. 12 LSMs and 40 D are listed.

I think you should post your name on here! The odds of that are zero. No you'd rather try to pick on 14 year old boys. Better yet, why don't you approach one of parents of the kids who made it from LI face to face, start yapping about whether or not their son will make the all-star team? Chances of that? Less than zero. Now go back in your hole, you 50 year old punk. Leave the kids alone and go speculate about your own son.

I should of used my ridiculaous font. I agree 100% with you. I was trying to point out how absurd it is that names were posted in the first place.

I do think the attack list is way too long. If my son is assigned to a team with more than 6 attack I will be very disappointed. There really is no reason to have more than 5 per team in this sort of showcase. Simply not enough games to require such a large roster.

I do find it funny that quite regularly anonymous posts are made suggesting that others postsers should reveal their names.

Sounds like we're on the same page. However, I only suggested you reveal your name based on the thought that you were advocating using the boys names. Good luck to your son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First things first all of these boys names are posted on multiple websites, this one included #87488 - 10/06/14 01:41 PM. Go to the NXT website and they are posted. They are posted on facebook, instagram, and twitter daily as promotion for the event.

All the boys mentioned are some of the best out there. It absolutely is a compliment to the boys I mention. What is the big deal about predicting who might or might not make the all star team. Wasn't berating or putting anyone down. These are just the best players I think at their positions going to the event. There are a number of players that will standout from Long Island at the event that will surprise. The players I mention again are some of the strongest at their positions. If someones opinion isnt the same as yours its wrong. If I said they stunk and were horrible that would be a different story. Good luck to all.

We all signed our kids up for the event. That gives NXT the right to use the kids names. Do yourself and the kids a favor, leave it at that. Some guy on a blog rating kids anonymously just wreaks of creepiness. Leave the kids alone, if you need to, put your son's name up and we'll all rate him. Since you won't do that, STOP trying to justify your actions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First things first all of these boys names are posted on multiple websites, this one included #87488 - 10/06/14 01:41 PM. Go to the NXT website and they are posted. They are posted on facebook, instagram, and twitter daily as promotion for the event.

All the boys mentioned are some of the best out there. It absolutely is a compliment to the boys I mention. What is the big deal about predicting who might or might not make the all star team. Wasn't berating or putting anyone down. These are just the best players I think at their positions going to the event. There are a number of players that will standout from Long Island at the event that will surprise. The players I mention again are some of the strongest at their positions. If someones opinion isnt the same as yours its wrong. If I said they stunk and were horrible that would be a different story. Good luck to all.

revisionist history dude - when you posted the original list you followed up with

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"There will be a few others that will be selected because of political manipulation. I have a hard time predicting these selections. These types of selections and players are good but not deserving of the accolades that are bestowed upon them through daddy's connections."

you claim you were not berating or putting anyone down? saying that if they are not on your list and make the team it is "because of political manipulation"? or " These types of selections and players are good but not deserving" how could that NOT be considered berating or putting down.

Man up and post YOUR name !!!!

The boys I had mentioned regarding the all star team are the best at their positions. So no berating of them.

In regards to the political selections I do not name them. If you don't know who the free-be selections are you have not been around this sport. There are going to be players who are selected to events based on who their dads are. Anyone who has been around this age group knows who the better players are. People also know who uses their political influence to get players selected to events. Remember what I wrote is not gospel. It was just opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The boys I had mentioned regarding the all star team are the best at their positions. So no berating of them.

In regards to the political selections I do not name them. If you don't know who the free-be selections are you have not been around this sport. There are going to be players who are selected to events based on who their dads are. Anyone who has been around this age group knows who the better players are. People also know who uses their political influence to get players selected to events. Remember what I wrote is not gospel. It was just opinion.

My son was invited to this and is not on your "ALL START" list, based on your posts, if he does makes the all star team it is because of me, my political influence or something other then his ability to play lacrosse and for that I think you are a giant whale penis (I hate the term dork) , post your name so we can rate you

I have been around as a Dad of a player in this age group for a four years now. I know a fair amount about the better players, and no, you didn't mention my kids name in your rant earlier. I would argue that for each name you mentioned, we could mention 5 other kids that are as good if not better.

That said, the truth is that there are three levels of players--the one's that really stand out consistently
--the middle (all very good players and most can play in college if they choose)
--the bottom rung (assume there are a few favor kids in this group) but plenty of potential.

The difference between all three levels is really very little. In some cases it is early or late growth, in some cases, LAX skills just take a little longer to kick in but when they do, it is wonderful to watch.

So, the philly freshman showcase allstar team means very little in the grand scheme. Most people that have been through this before know that the picks to allstar games are more rigged than the picks to the event. Have witnessed kids that have the absolute monster performance not make the allstar team and those that came in with reputations but lack of great play get selected.

The one thing the poster was correct about--the names of the kids (not necessarily the ones he selected) are usually known.

I had an older kid go to an event a couple of years back, he got an invite to the allstar game via email the day before...how come, his current college coach wanted to see him and would only be at the event for the allstar game. Happens at every event, so buckle up.

Now, what is completely inappropriate is the original poster's use of names, but what followed was just sad. If your kid wasn't on the list, this guy told you the only way your kid could make the list, was if there was political BS involved. And people actually cared what some schmuck on this board thought.

Believe me or not, been through this before-and showtime and JR and a few others, if the coach wants you, you will know. To make him notice you, send him your tape and a note before the event, don't hold your breathe and hope your kid makes the allstar game because those are long odds...

Again people it was predictions. Not the actual picks. Cant someone predict something without people getting crazy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Again people it was predictions. Not the actual picks. Cant someone predict something without people getting crazy.

the predictions were fine - dickish maybe, but fine, the problem I had was the follow up that said basically any kid not on your list was not worthy of an all star pick and that they would only make it if daddy had connections.

here is my prediction - you are pilgarlic turd with about a 3 on the dichter scale and you will not post your name on here so we can all see what your angle is.

Stop with the predictions and naming kids....How about we let the kids play hard and leave it all on the field. Pretty confident we will have some unfamiliar standouts and some familiar kids take a step back. Good luck to all the boys.

Any team looking for defense or middie player? 2018

Sound advice. Thanks for keeping it real. I am taking a note of what you said and when my 2020 son is looking towards Philly Freshman in a few years, I will remember what you said.

Much appreciated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been around as a Dad of a player in this age group for a four years now. I know a fair amount about the better players, and no, you didn't mention my kids name in your rant earlier. I would argue that for each name you mentioned, we could mention 5 other kids that are as good if not better.

That said, the truth is that there are three levels of players--the one's that really stand out consistently
--the middle (all very good players and most can play in college if they choose)
--the bottom rung (assume there are a few favor kids in this group) but plenty of potential.

The difference between all three levels is really very little. In some cases it is early or late growth, in some cases, LAX skills just take a little longer to kick in but when they do, it is wonderful to watch.

So, the philly freshman showcase allstar team means very little in the grand scheme. Most people that have been through this before know that the picks to allstar games are more rigged than the picks to the event. Have witnessed kids that have the absolute monster performance not make the allstar team and those that came in with reputations but lack of great play get selected.

The one thing the poster was correct about--the names of the kids (not necessarily the ones he selected) are usually known.

I had an older kid go to an event a couple of years back, he got an invite to the allstar game via email the day before...how come, his current college coach wanted to see him and would only be at the event for the allstar game. Happens at every event, so buckle up.

Now, what is completely inappropriate is the original poster's use of names, but what followed was just sad. If your kid wasn't on the list, this guy told you the only way your kid could make the list, was if there was political BS involved. And people actually cared what some schmuck on this board thought.

Believe me or not, been through this before-and showtime and JR and a few others, if the coach wants you, you will know. To make him notice you, send him your tape and a note before the event, don't hold your breathe and hope your kid makes the allstar game because those are long odds...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been around as a Dad of a player in this age group for a four years now. I know a fair amount about the better players, and no, you didn't mention my kids name in your rant earlier. I would argue that for each name you mentioned, we could mention 5 other kids that are as good if not better.

That said, the truth is that there are three levels of players--the one's that really stand out consistently
--the middle (all very good players and most can play in college if they choose)
--the bottom rung (assume there are a few favor kids in this group) but plenty of potential.

The difference between all three levels is really very little. In some cases it is early or late growth, in some cases, LAX skills just take a little longer to kick in but when they do, it is wonderful to watch.

So, the philly freshman showcase allstar team means very little in the grand scheme. Most people that have been through this before know that the picks to allstar games are more rigged than the picks to the event. Have witnessed kids that have the absolute monster performance not make the allstar team and those that came in with reputations but lack of great play get selected.

The one thing the poster was correct about--the names of the kids (not necessarily the ones he selected) are usually known.

I had an older kid go to an event a couple of years back, he got an invite to the allstar game via email the day before...how come, his current college coach wanted to see him and would only be at the event for the allstar game. Happens at every event, so buckle up.

Now, what is completely inappropriate is the original poster's use of names, but what followed was just sad. If your kid wasn't on the list, this guy told you the only way your kid could make the list, was if there was political BS involved. And people actually cared what some schmuck on this board thought.

Believe me or not, been through this before-and showtime and JR and a few others, if the coach wants you, you will know. To make him notice you, send him your tape and a note before the event, don't hold your breathe and hope your kid makes the allstar game because those are long odds...

Great info. Tell us what happens after the showcase. What is the process then?

Does a coach contact the parent or the coach who recommended the child?

Is there a contact period afterwards?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

How about the new Ty Xanders "recruiting rundown" website. He put a photo of the new Michigan commit on there, with an actually PHOTO with the coaches from Mich and the player, insanity.

Why? It's a website about lacrosse recruiting!

Well, its a 9th grade student taking a photo with a D1 coaching staff, you don't see the issue with that? I have never seen that in ANY sport when a kid commits early. Schools NEVER acknowledge the commitment publicly. Meanwhile this is CONSTANT banter in media in all sports about early recruiting, and there might be a tiny bit of issues going on at that university right now anyway (AD, football, concussions, HELLO!)

To your valid point, lacrossecoaches posted this on Twitter. Plenty of rookie moves going on in the lacrosse world these days.

@lacrossecoaches: It is impermissible for staff members/student-athletes to publicize a prospect's visit to campus, including positing photos on social media

In my experience, coaches all contacted club or HS coaches to say they were interested. The club coaches give you the name of the coach and his phone number and then you call the coach, but because he cannot call you back, it sometimes takes several tries. With older boy I initially had the boy make the first call or two, but that was a mistake, so I suggest parents make that phone call. Too much pressure on a kid to be calling a coach at 14 or 15. Parents should make the call and have the kid there with you ready to spend 10 minutes with coach on phone.

They discuss grades and generally have a very nice easy conversation.

If they want you, they will ask you to come and visit in person. That first meeting is a show of athletic facility and general conversation about coaches mentality and whether you are a fit both academically and athletically. School tour with coach or with admissions folks.

They left off these meetings (i have been to four with boy) that we love you and want to keep watching and are very interested.

I talked about money in each of the meetings and found the coaches to be generally very up front about what they could or could not do.

For example, in Patriot league schools, some have some athletic money and others do not have any to give. In both cases, there was only need based aid (and for most people reading this I suspect your family makes too much money for need based aid). So if you go patriot, just know that the dollars for sports are very limited and the schools all cost in the $55-$60k range.

So all of this school talk really depends on what your goals are. If it is to get your kid into the best school possible and money is not an issue and your kid isn't the next stud, then I suggest D-3 nescac schools. Some of the best academic institutions in the country--williams, amherst...

If your kid is the stud, then Ivy is choice assuming money is no issue.

If goal is the best possible school at the best possible cost and your kid has high 90 gpa and is a really strong player but not quite the stud of the century, I would focus on the Michigans and the Ohio States of the world, those types of programs offer both atheltic and academic money if they want your son.

If money is no issue and your kid is very good but again not the stud of the century, go patriot. Really good schools and pretty strong D-1 programs. Probably not playing on memorial day weekend, but plenty of good strong lax nonetheless.

The above is based on nothing but my experience and what I have learned. It may not apply to your family but it is the analysis we went through before reaching our decision. So please, no nasty comments, and I am not putting down any school or any family choices that I didn't mention.

one last opinion, I also think early recruiting is a shame. All the 14 year old boys being evaluated like livestock when half of them haven't matured yet--that is the shame part. As far as being able to choose which school is best for your kid, I have been to too many schools to remember with my children. Your kid will love whatever school he goes to for the most part.

But plan your visits well, If you visit Laffayete and then go to Holy Cross and top off the trip to suny albany, your kid will pick one of the first two, and so will you. If you can only afford a toyota or a ford, there is no reason to stop off at mercedez or BMW...

Hope this helps the person that asked.

Well said. Thank you!

Thank you for an intelligent, unbiased post. Refreshing.

Great advice. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

How about the new Ty Xanders "recruiting rundown" website. He put a photo of the new Michigan commit on there, with an actually PHOTO with the coaches from Mich and the player, insanity.

Why? It's a website about lacrosse recruiting!

Well, its a 9th grade student taking a photo with a D1 coaching staff, you don't see the issue with that? I have never seen that in ANY sport when a kid commits early. Schools NEVER acknowledge the commitment publicly. Meanwhile this is CONSTANT banter in media in all sports about early recruiting, and there might be a tiny bit of issues going on at that university right now anyway (AD, football, concussions, HELLO!)

To your valid point, lacrossecoaches posted this on Twitter. Plenty of rookie moves going on in the lacrosse world these days.

@lacrossecoaches: It is impermissible for staff members/student-athletes to publicize a prospect's visit to campus, including positing photos on social media

That's actually not true. The coaching staff or school can't take that picture, but the family can do whatever they want. Happens all of the time in football. Nothing that Xanders or the Lombardi family did was considered wrong. Perfectly fine, actually.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First things first all of these boys names are posted on multiple websites, this one included #87488 - 10/06/14 01:41 PM. Go to the NXT website and they are posted. They are posted on facebook, instagram, and twitter daily as promotion for the event.

All the boys mentioned are some of the best out there. It absolutely is a compliment to the boys I mention. What is the big deal about predicting who might or might not make the all star team. Wasn't berating or putting anyone down. These are just the best players I think at their positions going to the event. There are a number of players that will standout from Long Island at the event that will surprise. The players I mention again are some of the strongest at their positions. If someones opinion isnt the same as yours its wrong. If I said they stunk and were horrible that would be a different story. Good luck to all.

revisionist history dude - when you posted the original list you followed up with

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"There will be a few others that will be selected because of political manipulation. I have a hard time predicting these selections. These types of selections and players are good but not deserving of the accolades that are bestowed upon them through daddy's connections."

you claim you were not berating or putting anyone down? saying that if they are not on your list and make the team it is "because of political manipulation"? or " These types of selections and players are good but not deserving" how could that NOT be considered berating or putting down.

Man up and post YOUR name !!!!

The boys I had mentioned regarding the all star team are the best at their positions. So no berating of them.

In regards to the political selections I do not name them. If you don't know who the free-be selections are you have not been around this sport. There are going to be players who are selected to events based on who their dads are. Anyone who has been around this age group knows who the better players are. People also know who uses their political influence to get players selected to events. Remember what I wrote is not gospel. It was just opinion.

some of the boys that are best in those positions are not even attending this event, this event like all the others, is becoming a joke.

Exactly. I am sure a lot of extremely good players are either not attending or maybe play a winter sport and have team practice or games on that day. Maybe wanted just to save some money for college.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exactly. I am sure a lot of extremely good players are either not attending or maybe play a winter sport and have team practice or games on that day. Maybe wanted just to save some money for college.

Which brings us back to many peoples question of do most sports scholarships cover what parents have spent throughout the years on travel sports?

Probably not for most kids and their parents. But if they are having fun, it doesn't matter. Many decide to specialize in lacrosse only to miss out of the joys of playing other sports for their high schools for maybe the chance to play D1 lacrosse or gain admission to maybe a better school academically that would not happen without lacrosse. In my opinion showcasing 14 year olds to college coaches is crazy. These coaches are to blame for the rise of these showcases, elite tournament teams, etc.

How would you rank these team tournaments/showcases? 1 to 7 appreciate feedback from anyone who has attended or knows anything about them.

fl$ in 3D, MD
Legacy, MA
MVP, NJ
Autumn Classic, MD
Philly Showcase, PA
Fall Classic, LI
Elite Showcase, LI

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How would you rank these team tournaments/showcases? 1 to 7 appreciate feedback from anyone who has attended or knows anything about them.

fl$ in 3D, MD
Legacy, MA
MVP, NJ
Autumn Classic, MD
Philly Showcase, PA
Fall Classic, LI
Elite Showcase, LI

What criteria?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How would you rank these team tournaments/showcases? 1 to 7 appreciate feedback from anyone who has attended or knows anything about them.

fl$ in 3D, MD
Legacy, MA
MVP, NJ
Autumn Classic, MD
Philly Showcase, PA
Fall Classic, LI
Elite Showcase, LI

What criteria?

recruiting value

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How would you rank these team tournaments/showcases? 1 to 7 appreciate feedback from anyone who has attended or knows anything about them.

fl$ in 3D, MD
Legacy, MA
MVP, NJ
Autumn Classic, MD
Philly Showcase, PA
Fall Classic, LI
Elite Showcase, LI

What criteria?

recruiting value

fl$ in 3D, MD,
Legacy, MA
MVP, NJ
Autumn Classic, MD
Philly Showcase, PA
Fall Classic, LI
Elite Showcase, LI

Philly #1
fl$, Legacy, Autumn (NSCLA event), Fall Classic, all very good
the rest

LI Outlaws 2018 Black Fall Schedule
Nov 2nd Legacy
Nov 8th 9th Adrenaline
Nov 15th fl$ Nov 16th Fall Autumn Classic
Nov 23 Philly

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Outlaws 2018 Black Fall Schedule
Nov 2nd Legacy
Nov 8th 9th Adrenaline
Nov 15th fl$ Nov 16th Fall Autumn Classic
Nov 23 Philly

That's a great schedule
What's Igloo, jesters and team Li Schedule like??? - Nothing like this, Why would kid's play for them- Great Job Outlaws - Might not be the best team , but this is a Super Fall schedule

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Outlaws 2018 Black Fall Schedule
Nov 2nd Legacy
Nov 8th 9th Adrenaline
Nov 15th fl$ Nov 16th Fall Autumn Classic
Nov 23 Philly

That's a great schedule
What's Igloo, jesters and team Li Schedule like??? - Nothing like this, Why would kid's play for them- Great Job Outlaws - Might not be the best team , but this is a Super Fall schedule

Might not be ?? Lol.

Good luck with your 32 players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Outlaws 2018 Black Fall Schedule
Nov 2nd Legacy
Nov 8th 9th Adrenaline
Nov 15th fl$ Nov 16th Fall Autumn Classic
Nov 23 Philly

That's a great schedule
What's Igloo, jesters and team Li Schedule like??? - Nothing like this, Why would kid's play for them- Great Job Outlaws - Might not be the best team , but this is a Super Fall schedule

Jesters 2018 Black
Nov 2 - Hofstra Blue and Gold
Nov 9 - Rutgers Showcase
Nov 15 - UPLAX
Nov 16 - fl$ in 3D

2018 terps or team 1 or whatever we call them now

scrimmages
this weekend at Randal island
next weekend 91 extreme
Nov 2 in MD for scrimmages
nov 8 big four
nov 9 adrenaline
nov 22 Philly individual day
nov 23 tourny in MD with crabs

Mixed in are prospect days for individuals at various schools

Big recruiting Fall for all the boys in 2018, good luck to each kid on whatever team. May your kid have a great day in front of the college coach of his first choice...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 terps or team 1 or whatever we call them now

scrimmages
this weekend at Randal island
next weekend 91 extreme
Nov 2 in MD for scrimmages
nov 8 big four
nov 9 adrenaline
nov 22 Philly individual day
nov 23 tourny in MD with crabs

Mixed in are prospect days for individuals at various schools

Big recruiting Fall for all the boys in 2018, good luck to each kid on whatever team. May your kid have a great day in front of the college coach of his first choice...

November 2 is not for scrimmages - they are playing in the Terrapin Classic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Outlaws 2018 Black Fall Schedule
Nov 2nd Legacy
Nov 8th 9th Adrenaline
Nov 15th fl$ Nov 16th Fall Autumn Classic
Nov 23 Philly

That's a great schedule
What's Igloo, jesters and team Li Schedule like??? - Nothing like this, Why would kid's play for them- Great Job Outlaws - Might not be the best team , but this is a Super Fall schedule

Igloo? They have a 2018 team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Outlaws 2018 Black Fall Schedule
Nov 2nd Legacy
Nov 8th 9th Adrenaline
Nov 15th fl$ Nov 16th Fall Autumn Classic
Nov 23 Philly

That's a great schedule
What's Igloo, jesters and team Li Schedule like??? - Nothing like this, Why would kid's play for them- Great Job Outlaws - Might not be the best team , but this is a Super Fall schedule

Might not be ?? Lol.

Good luck with your 32 players.

Don't worry about Outlaws, with all due respect, talent level is very high vs last year. Many new players on team, very strong additions at all positions. Only 22 at any one tournament. Know the facts before you speak. Roster is a non-issue. It's not about winning individual games anymore, it's about exposure. In this category, OL's is at the very top. Which club does your son play for? How much support have they given him for individual showcases like Legacy, FPS, JR, and Showtime? Unless he's a top 6-8 kid on Express, Extreme or fl$. Then the answer for the most part is ZERO.

In all seriousness did Igloo and Legacy field teams in this age group. If yes, who are the coaches? How many teams for each? Legacy was a disaster last year and wonder how many players returned to that program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 terps or team 1 or whatever we call them now

scrimmages
this weekend at Randal island
next weekend 91 extreme
Nov 2 in MD for scrimmages
nov 8 big four
nov 9 adrenaline
nov 22 Philly individual day
nov 23 tourny in MD with crabs

Mixed in are prospect days for individuals at various schools

Big recruiting Fall for all the boys in 2018, good luck to each kid on whatever team. May your kid have a great day in front of the college coach of his first choice...

How does the Hofsta tournament on 11/2 stack up?

Hofstra is a good local showcase at the varsity level. Not elite , but we'll run.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Outlaws 2018 Black Fall Schedule
Nov 2nd Legacy
Nov 8th 9th Adrenaline
Nov 15th fl$ Nov 16th Fall Autumn Classic
Nov 23 Philly

That's a great schedule
What's Igloo, jesters and team Li Schedule like??? - Nothing like this, Why would kid's play for them- Great Job Outlaws - Might not be the best team , but this is a Super Fall schedule

Might not be ?? Lol.

Good luck with your 32 players.

Don't worry about Outlaws, with all due respect, talent level is very high vs last year. Many new players on team, very strong additions at all positions. Only 22 at any one tournament. Know the facts before you speak. Roster is a non-issue. It's not about winning individual games anymore, it's about exposure. In this category, OL's is at the very top. Which club does your son play for? How much support have they given him for individual showcases like Legacy, FPS, JR, and Showtime? Unless he's a top 6-8 kid on Express, Extreme or fl$. Then the answer for the most part is ZERO.

That will be true for outlaws as well. They aren't going to push 32 kids for JR. By the way how are they deciding who are they 22 gong to the better tournaments.?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Outlaws 2018 Black Fall Schedule
Nov 2nd Legacy
Nov 8th 9th Adrenaline
Nov 15th fl$ Nov 16th Fall Autumn Classic
Nov 23 Philly

That's a great schedule
What's Igloo, jesters and team Li Schedule like??? - Nothing like this, Why would kid's play for them- Great Job Outlaws - Might not be the best team , but this is a Super Fall schedule

Might not be ?? Lol.

Good luck with your 32 players.

Don't worry about Outlaws, with all due respect, talent level is very high vs last year. Many new players on team, very strong additions at all positions. Only 22 at any one tournament. Know the facts before you speak. Roster is a non-issue. It's not about winning individual games anymore, it's about exposure. In this category, OL's is at the very top. Which club does your son play for? How much support have they given him for individual showcases like Legacy, FPS, JR, and Showtime? Unless he's a top 6-8 kid on Express, Extreme or fl$. Then the answer for the most part is ZERO.

That will be true for outlaws as well. They aren't going to push 32 kids for JR. By the way how are they deciding who are they 22 gong to the better tournaments.?

Exactly. Wasn't a problem last year either, until kids didn't get asked to certain tournaments. Then it blows up!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Outlaws 2018 Black Fall Schedule
Nov 2nd Legacy
Nov 8th 9th Adrenaline
Nov 15th fl$ Nov 16th Fall Autumn Classic
Nov 23 Philly

That's a great schedule
What's Igloo, jesters and team Li Schedule like??? - Nothing like this, Why would kid's play for them- Great Job Outlaws - Might not be the best team , but this is a Super Fall schedule

Might not be ?? Lol.

Good luck with your 32 players.

Don't worry about Outlaws, with all due respect, talent level is very high vs last year. Many new players on team, very strong additions at all positions. Only 22 at any one tournament. Know the facts before you speak. Roster is a non-issue. It's not about winning individual games anymore, it's about exposure. In this category, OL's is at the very top. Which club does your son play for? How much support have they given him for individual showcases like Legacy, FPS, JR, and Showtime? Unless he's a top 6-8 kid on Express, Extreme or fl$. Then the answer for the most part is ZERO.

That will be true for outlaws as well. They aren't going to push 32 kids for JR. By the way how are they deciding who are they 22 gong to the better tournaments.?

Exactly. Wasn't a problem last year either, until kids didn't get asked to certain tournaments. Then it blows up!

Everyone knows the deal going in! If your son is not a top player he will get less of the top tourns, was explained very clearly by Club.
The OL's are not the first Club to use this model with great success. Don't worry about Outlaws, worry about your club adding in 10 kids by June and showing up to a major event with 32 on the side lines. Again, not about winning games this year, about exposure. Go to 2020 thread and argue about who's going to win Halloween Havoc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Outlaws 2018 Black Fall Schedule
Nov 2nd Legacy
Nov 8th 9th Adrenaline
Nov 15th fl$ Nov 16th Fall Autumn Classic
Nov 23 Philly

That's a great schedule
What's Igloo, jesters and team Li Schedule like??? - Nothing like this, Why would kid's play for them- Great Job Outlaws - Might not be the best team , but this is a Super Fall schedule

Might not be ?? Lol.

Good luck with your 32 players.

Don't worry about Outlaws, with all due respect, talent level is very high vs last year. Many new players on team, very strong additions at all positions. Only 22 at any one tournament. Know the facts before you speak. Roster is a non-issue. It's not about winning individual games anymore, it's about exposure. In this category, OL's is at the very top. Which club does your son play for? How much support have they given him for individual showcases like Legacy, FPS, JR, and Showtime? Unless he's a top 6-8 kid on Express, Extreme or fl$. Then the answer for the most part is ZERO.

That will be true for outlaws as well. They aren't going to push 32 kids for JR. By the way how are they deciding who are they 22 gong to the better tournaments.?

Exactly. Wasn't a problem last year either, until kids didn't get asked to certain tournaments. Then it blows up!

I guess your son wasn't invited to the tournaments you thought he should have been invited to? So it blew up for you. Seems like the 2017 team survived pretty well. Stronger and better than ever this year, go figure?

Might not be ?? Lol.

Good luck with your 32 players. [/quote]

Don't worry about Outlaws, with all due respect, talent level is very high vs last year. Many new players on team, very strong additions at all positions. Only 22 at any one tournament. Know the facts before you speak. Roster is a non-issue. It's not about winning individual games anymore, it's about exposure. In this category, OL's is at the very top. Which club does your son play for? How much support have they given him for individual showcases like Legacy, FPS, JR, and Showtime? Unless he's a top 6-8 kid on Express, Extreme or fl$. Then the answer for the most part is ZERO. [/quote]

That will be true for outlaws as well. They aren't going to push 32 kids for JR. By the way how are they deciding who are they 22 gong to the better tournaments.? [/quote]

Exactly. Wasn't a problem last year either, until kids didn't get asked to certain tournaments. Then it blows up! [/quote]

Everyone knows the deal going in! If your son is not a top player he will get less of the top tourns, was explained very clearly by Club.
The OL's are not the first Club to use this model with great success. Don't worry about Outlaws, worry about your club adding in 10 kids by June and showing up to a major event with 32 on the side lines. Again, not about winning games this year, about exposure. Go to 2020 thread and argue about who's going to win Halloween Havoc. [/quote]

We aren't arguing about winning. You are the one who slammed other clubs saying you won't get to the top individual show cases with them while patting yourself and the outlaws on the back . with 32 kids on the team the outlaws have the exact same individual show case issue and we are pointing out what apparently wasn't obvious to you. Btw if you want my kids Halloween Havoc championship shirt stop by I'm sure he will give it to you if you ask nicely

Express westchester beat up express a this weekend. Look out!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express westchester beat up express a this weekend. Look out!

the Terps ?

Sorry to damper your story, but they didn't play the 2018 a team. less than 1/3 of 2018 was there and rest were b team and 2019. Yet westchester is very good team.

Westchester 9 to 7 vs Terps , both teams missing a few for recruiting. Great game . These teams play a lot against one another , makes both groups better. Terps and north have great relationship which is based on getting both teams better . Depends on day on who wins , was not a beat up. 2groups that play against each other a lot probably at least 10 times.

Half the terp team was at Penn state...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Might not be ?? Lol.

Good luck with your 32 players.

Don't worry about Outlaws, with all due respect, talent level is very high vs last year. Many new players on team, very strong additions at all positions. Only 22 at any one tournament. Know the facts before you speak. Roster is a non-issue. It's not about winning individual games anymore, it's about exposure. In this category, OL's is at the very top. Which club does your son play for? How much support have they given him for individual showcases like Legacy, FPS, JR, and Showtime? Unless he's a top 6-8 kid on Express, Extreme or fl$. Then the answer for the most part is ZERO. [/quote]

That will be true for outlaws as well. They aren't going to push 32 kids for JR. By the way how are they deciding who are they 22 gong to the better tournaments.? [/quote]

Exactly. Wasn't a problem last year either, until kids didn't get asked to certain tournaments. Then it blows up! [/quote]

Everyone knows the deal going in! If your son is not a top player he will get less of the top tourns, was explained very clearly by Club.
The OL's are not the first Club to use this model with great success. Don't worry about Outlaws, worry about your club adding in 10 kids by June and showing up to a major event with 32 on the side lines. Again, not about winning games this year, about exposure. Go to 2020 thread and argue about who's going to win Halloween Havoc. [/quote]

We aren't arguing about winning. You are the one who slammed other clubs saying you won't get to the top individual show cases with them while patting yourself and the outlaws on the back . with 32 kids on the team the outlaws have the exact same individual show case issue and we are pointing out what apparently wasn't obvious to you. Btw if you want my kids Halloween Havoc championship shirt stop by I'm sure he will give it to you if you ask nicely [/quote]

Bragging about your kid's fall tournament championship tee-shirt? "We have a winner for the biggest loser of the day! What do we have for him, Johnny? It is an all expense paid trip to Loser Town"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express westchester beat up express a this weekend. Look out!

9-7 is beating someone up??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Half the terp team was at Penn state...

Funny how things change in a week. When the 2018 team "beat up" on half of the 2017 in a meaningless scrimmage they pumped their chests. But now they get beat by the Express North team and the excuses come flying. Hilarious! They are all part of the same organization. People will be missing games and tournaments from now on because of showcases, prospect days etc. You rarely will have a full team at anything. You will figure out soon enough it is not about wins and losses - nobody cares. It is about getting your kid better and hopefully into a college you can be proud of to play lacrosse. That is the end game...

[quote=Anonymous]Half the terp team was at Penn state... [/quote

Why? Don't need lax to get into pen state. Just a pulse.

ok here come the excuses. You lost stop crying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express westchester beat up express a this weekend. Look out!

9-7 is beating someone up??

It wasn't that close if you were there

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Half the terp team was at Penn state... [/quote

Why? Don't need lax to get into pen state. Just a pulse.

The irony of someone making fun of PSU academics by spelling Penn incorrectly...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Might not be ?? Lol.

Good luck with your 32 players.

Don't worry about Outlaws, with all due respect, talent level is very high vs last year. Many new players on team, very strong additions at all positions. Only 22 at any one tournament. Know the facts before you speak. Roster is a non-issue. It's not about winning individual games anymore, it's about exposure. In this category, OL's is at the very top. Which club does your son play for? How much support have they given him for individual showcases like Legacy, FPS, JR, and Showtime? Unless he's a top 6-8 kid on Express, Extreme or fl$. Then the answer for the most part is ZERO. [/quote]

That will be true for outlaws as well. They aren't going to push 32 kids for JR. By the way how are they deciding who are they 22 gong to the better tournaments.? [/quote]

Exactly. Wasn't a problem last year either, until kids didn't get asked to certain tournaments. Then it blows up! [/quote]

Everyone knows the deal going in! If your son is not a top player he will get less of the top tourns, was explained very clearly by Club.
The OL's are not the first Club to use this model with great success. Don't worry about Outlaws, worry about your club adding in 10 kids by June and showing up to a major event with 32 on the side lines. Again, not about winning games this year, about exposure. Go to 2020 thread and argue about who's going to win Halloween Havoc. [/quote]

We aren't arguing about winning. You are the one who slammed other clubs saying you won't get to the top individual show cases with them while patting yourself and the outlaws on the back . with 32 kids on the team the outlaws have the exact same individual show case issue and we are pointing out what apparently wasn't obvious to you. Btw if you want my kids Halloween Havoc championship shirt stop by I'm sure he will give it to you if you ask nicely [/quote]

If you read the post someone made a snide remark about OL's not being best team at 2018. No one said they were, they just said they're going to some great events in the fall. The point is, if you're not with Exp, extreme, fl$ or OL you're son will have a difficult time getting invites to the top Showcases. The OL are doing a great job getting kids exposure. Sorry things are not working out for you at Express or 91, sounds like your son didn't get the invites you were hoping for. As far as the Tee Shirt, try putting it with clothes that don't fit and donate it to the less fortunate. Or is that beneath you?

It wasn't half the team, only 4 players. The most impressive was the kid who plays D. The rest were nothing special.

Don't worry about Outlaws, with all due respect, talent level is very high vs last year. Many new players on team, very strong additions at all positions. Only 22 at any one tournament. Know the facts before you speak. Roster is a non-issue. It's not about winning individual games anymore, it's about exposure. In this category, OL's is at the very top. Which club does your son play for? How much support have they given him for individual showcases like Legacy, FPS, JR, and Showtime? Unless he's a top 6-8 kid on Express, Extreme or fl$. Then the answer for the most part is ZERO. [/quote]

That will be true for outlaws as well. They aren't going to push 32 kids for JR. By the way how are they deciding who are they 22 gong to the better tournaments.? [/quote]

Exactly. Wasn't a problem last year either, until kids didn't get asked to certain tournaments. Then it blows up! [/quote]

Everyone knows the deal going in! If your son is not a top player he will get less of the top tourns, was explained very clearly by Club.
The OL's are not the first Club to use this model with great success. Don't worry about Outlaws, worry about your club adding in 10 kids by June and showing up to a major event with 32 on the side lines. Again, not about winning games this year, about exposure. Go to 2020 thread and argue about who's going to win Halloween Havoc. [/quote]

We aren't arguing about winning. You are the one who slammed other clubs saying you won't get to the top individual show cases with them while patting yourself and the outlaws on the back . with 32 kids on the team the outlaws have the exact same individual show case issue and we are pointing out what apparently wasn't obvious to you. Btw if you want my kids Halloween Havoc championship shirt stop by I'm sure he will give it to you if you ask nicely [/quote]

Bragging about your kid's fall tournament championship tee-shirt? "We have a winner for the biggest loser of the day! What do we have for him, Johnny? It is an all expense paid trip to Loser Town" [/quote]

I read that different. I took that as a sarcastic response to the post above it about going to the 2022 thread and bragging about winning HH

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Half the terp team was at Penn state... [/quote

Why? Don't need lax to get into pen state. Just a pulse.

The irony of someone making fun of PSU academics by spelling Penn incorrectly...

I'm an alumni. Since when our their too n in pen?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It wasn't half the team, only 4 players. The most impressive was the kid who plays D. The rest were nothing special.

Kid not on Express, but no need for that kind of talk. My son was there and I thought the LI kids did pretty good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Half the terp team was at Penn state... [/quote

Why? Don't need lax to get into pen state. Just a pulse.

The irony of someone making fun of PSU academics by spelling Penn incorrectly...

I'm an alumni. Since when our their too n in pen?

Penn State is a top 50 school, ranked above other big lax destinations schools like Maryland,Syracuse,Colorado,Loyola,Rutgers,StonyBrook,Ohio State,Drexel,Towson,U Mass,etc
This is a school rich in tradition and offers a true college experience. They are overcoming a difficult time and have a program on the rise both athletically and academically. I would be proud to send my son there. Went on a visit and was very impressed with the coaching staff, academic support network and facilities. Plus it's an under 5 hour drive. Hoping for an offer!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Half the terp team was at Penn state...

Funny how things change in a week. When the 2018 team "beat up" on half of the 2017 in a meaningless scrimmage they pumped their chests. But now they get beat by the Express North team and the excuses come flying. Hilarious! They are all part of the same organization. People will be missing games and tournaments from now on because of showcases, prospect days etc. You rarely will have a full team at anything. You will figure out soon enough it is not about wins and losses - nobody cares. It is about getting your kid better and hopefully into a college you can be proud of to play lacrosse. That is the end game...

The second half of this post should be pinned to every forum - THAT is the goal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Half the terp team was at Penn state...

Funny how things change in a week. When the 2018 team "beat up" on half of the 2017 in a meaningless scrimmage they pumped their chests. But now they get beat by the Express North team and the excuses come flying. Hilarious! They are all part of the same organization. People will be missing games and tournaments from now on because of showcases, prospect days etc. You rarely will have a full team at anything. You will figure out soon enough it is not about wins and losses - nobody cares. It is about getting your kid better and hopefully into a college you can be proud of to play lacrosse. That is the end game...

The second half of this post should be pinned to every forum - THAT is the goal

They are 14 year olds (or 16 if reclassified ). Not too many 9th graders will be recruited this year. The end game here is money for the clubs and schools. Wake up. These kids don't even have any HS grades yet. Unless your kid is the exception ( and you all think he is ) you are losing perspective. Play so you improve, so you can make and play on HS team, play to maybe "have fun" and college recruiting will come for the better players. It will come at different times depending on age, schools , exposure and most importantly grades!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Half the terp team was at Penn state... [/quote

Why? Don't need lax to get into pen state. Just a pulse.

The irony of someone making fun of PSU academics by spelling Penn incorrectly...

I'm an alumni. Since when our their too n in pen?

You're embarrassing yourself! "too" s/b "TWO" "n" s/b "Ns" and Since 1855 when Penn State was founded. Any other questions genius??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Half the terp team was at Penn state...

Funny how things change in a week. When the 2018 team "beat up" on half of the 2017 in a meaningless scrimmage they pumped their chests. But now they get beat by the Express North team and the excuses come flying. Hilarious! They are all part of the same organization. People will be missing games and tournaments from now on because of showcases, prospect days etc. You rarely will have a full team at anything. You will figure out soon enough it is not about wins and losses - nobody cares. It is about getting your kid better and hopefully into a college you can be proud of to play lacrosse. That is the end game...

The second half of this post should be pinned to every forum - THAT is the goal

Here's another one for you, not every kid is an A+ student and or the next Paul Rabil.... There is a right fit school for each kid. Get over it, most of these kids will be playing D3 when it's all said and done. Which in case you have no idea, is not easy! Buckle in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Half the terp team was at Penn state... [/quote

Why? Don't need lax to get into pen state. Just a pulse.

The irony of someone making fun of PSU academics by spelling Penn incorrectly...

I'm an alumni. Since when our their too n in pen?

You're embarrassing yourself! "too" s/b "TWO" "n" s/b "Ns" and Since 1855 when Penn State was founded. Any other questions genius??

Know, your embareassing yourself by not realzing the errors were intentioned

A bad joke, pretending PSU alum are illiterate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Half the terp team was at Penn state... [/quote

Why? Don't need lax to get into pen state. Just a pulse.

The irony of someone making fun of PSU academics by spelling Penn incorrectly...

I'm an alumni. Since when our their too n in pen?

You're embarrassing yourself! "too" s/b "TWO" "n" s/b "Ns" and Since 1855 when Penn State was founded. Any other questions genius??

Gotcha sucka! Thx for the laugh!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Half the terp team was at Penn state... [/quote

Why? Don't need lax to get into pen state. Just a pulse.

The irony of someone making fun of PSU academics by spelling Penn incorrectly...

I'm an alumni. Since when our their too n in pen?

You're embarrassing yourself! "too" s/b "TWO" "n" s/b "Ns" and Since 1855 when Penn State was founded. Any other questions genius??

Gotcha sucka! Thx for the laugh!

Cannot believe he fell for that

Looking forward to the Fall Terrapin Classic on Sunday (11/2). The lineup of 2018 teams includes Team 91, LI Express, Crabs, Madlax, West Coast Stars and Blackwolf. I hope the organizers see fit to pair up a bunch of these teams that never play each other - e.g. Blackwolf and Team 91. Should be some very good lacrosse.

Where is the blackwolf team from? Heard someone saying they were strong, but teprs have never played to my knowledge...

Yes, should be a good way to start off the fall

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is the blackwolf team from? Heard someone saying they were strong, but teprs have never played to my knowledge...

Yes, should be a good way to start off the fall

Virginia!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is the blackwolf team from? Heard someone saying they were strong, but teprs have never played to my knowledge...

Yes, should be a good way to start off the fall

Virginia!

Do they have a lot of reclassified players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is the blackwolf team from? Heard someone saying they were strong, but teprs have never played to my knowledge...

Yes, should be a good way to start off the fall

Virginia!

Do they have a lot of reclassified players?

That didn't take very long. Shoosh.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Where is the blackwolf team from? Heard someone saying they were strong, but teprs have never played to my knowledge...

Yes, should be a good way to start off the fall

Virginia!

Do they have a lot of reclassified players?

That didn't take very long. Shoosh. [/quote

The toughest 3 years for a blackwolf is the 8th grade

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Half the terp team was at Penn state...

Funny how things change in a week. When the 2018 team "beat up" on half of the 2017 in a meaningless scrimmage they pumped their chests. But now they get beat by the Express North team and the excuses come flying. Hilarious! They are all part of the same organization. People will be missing games and tournaments from now on because of showcases, prospect days etc. You rarely will have a full team at anything. You will figure out soon enough it is not about wins and losses - nobody cares. It is about getting your kid better and hopefully into a college you can be proud of to play lacrosse. That is the end game...

The second half of this post should be pinned to every forum - THAT is the goal

They are 14 year olds (or 16 if reclassified ). Not too many 9th graders will be recruited this year. The end game here is money for the clubs and schools. Wake up. These kids don't even have any HS grades yet. Unless your kid is the exception ( and you all think he is ) you are losing perspective. Play so you improve, so you can make and play on HS team, play to maybe "have fun" and college recruiting will come for the better players. It will come at different times depending on age, schools , exposure and most importantly grades!!

The write up above is the best on this board and nobody comments. All they do is trash talk and try and get people fouled up on too vs two and pen vs Penn (childish).

Well said above poster. You have perspective and get it.

Best of luck to you and your son and you will clearly enjoy the journey and the destination will present itself.

As a parent, what is my role, if any, on a college visit? Do I do the tour, lunch, etc? Do I just drop him off? When my son meets the coach do I join in? Do I just shut up unless money gets brought up? Thanks in advance

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a parent, what is my role, if any, on a college visit? Do I do the tour, lunch, etc? Do I just drop him off? When my son meets the coach do I join in? Do I just shut up unless money gets brought up? Thanks in advance

Great question - hope you get some thoughtful responses. You should post the same question on the 2017 page - likely to get more informed answers there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a parent, what is my role, if any, on a college visit? Do I do the tour, lunch, etc? Do I just drop him off? When my son meets the coach do I join in? Do I just shut up unless money gets brought up? Thanks in advance

stay in the back, they want to interact with the kid not the parents - I have heard they also look to see how the kid interacts with the parent (respectful not rolling the eyes). after the first few minutes it usually becomes pretty relaxed and conversational, just try to make sure your kid is always walking next to the coach on the tour they really want the interaction and the tour is a much less stressful and has a lot of natural unforced conversation. make sure the kid has prepared questions for the coaches, both athletic and academic and if they do not ask questions the coaches think they are not interested.

Great advice

Parent of a 2018 player. We just received a letter inviting him to jake reed Nike blue chip this summer. Can anyone with experience or good knowledge about this enlighten me as to what this means, is it worth it, etc? We did not solicit this.

JAKE REED ANYONE?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Parent of a 2018 player. We just received a letter inviting him to jake reed Nike blue chip this summer. Can anyone with experience or good knowledge about this enlighten me as to what this means, is it worth it, etc? We did not solicit this.

Come on, really? This is a joke right?

Real Question, if Philly and Maverick already scheduled, do we need to pay $675 to go to JR? They gave like a week to send in $275...

Yes. No such letter

We are also already attending Philly and Maverik. We've ignored the 3d Blue Chip invite in Florida, but if we receive a direct invite to Jake Reed I think we would go. Currently we have no such invite. Are direct Jake Reed invites now out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are also already attending Philly and Maverik. We've ignored the 3d Blue Chip invite in Florida, but if we receive a direct invite to Jake Reed I think we would go. Currently we have no such invite. Are direct Jake Reed invites now out?

Yes

Invites are out. we are going to philly and mav.

We declined forida tryout, got the direct invite yesterday but will decline that as well.

Went last year and for 675, I already gave that to Mav show

We did not get Philly or Mav but got Jake Reed. Is this odd or is it hit or miss, or is JR less selective?

Philly is 240 individuals
Maverik is 160
JR is 240 (120 direct/120 through 3dbc)

I think all three are reasonably sized, elite top of the line showcases.

3dbc has 600 players (of which the top 120 go to JR)
-that is top 120 as determined by 3d
-3dbc is not in and of itself a recruiting showcase it is a 3d run tryout for a recuiting showcase

for 675$ you could probably attend 3 to 4 prospect camps. Better of narrowing your school and attend there camps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We did not get Philly or Mav but got Jake Reed. Is this odd or is it hit or miss, or is JR less selective?

Love the use of "we" in this and other posts discussing lax achievements.....You and your son both suit up??? Pretty sure it is just him.

any teams gonna be at Hofstra blue and gold next weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are also already attending Philly and Maverik. We've ignored the 3d Blue Chip invite in Florida, but if we receive a direct invite to Jake Reed I think we would go. Currently we have no such invite. Are direct Jake Reed invites now out?

Yes

The summer 2015 direct invites are out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

for 675$ you could probably attend 3 to 4 prospect camps. Better of narrowing your school and attend there camps.

the schools will tell you the same thing but then again they want your $$$

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are also already attending Philly and Maverik. We've ignored the 3d Blue Chip invite in Florida, but if we receive a direct invite to Jake Reed I think we would go. Currently we have no such invite. Are direct Jake Reed invites now out?

Yes

The summer 2015 direct invites are out?

Yes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We did not get Philly or Mav but got Jake Reed. Is this odd or is it hit or miss, or is JR less selective?

Love the use of "we" in this and other posts discussing lax achievements.....You and your son both suit up??? Pretty sure it is just him.

Why be a gratuitous jerk? I have spent countless hours throwing with him over the years. Also, as I would be driving him to this it is a joint decision. What is your real issue here? Bitter about something? To answer your unstated point, the fact that he is an excellent athlete is all about him, not me. Although I can take credit for his speed. 😉

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We did not get Philly or Mav but got Jake Reed. Is this odd or is it hit or miss, or is JR less selective?

Love the use of "we" in this and other posts discussing lax achievements.....You and your son both suit up??? Pretty sure it is just him.

Why be a gratuitous jerk? I have spent countless hours throwing with him over the years. Also, as I would be driving him to this it is a joint decision. What is your real issue here? Bitter about something? To answer your unstated point, the fact that he is an excellent athlete is all about him, not me. Although I can take credit for his speed. 😉

Me thinks thou protest too much!

Well at least "we" made it. You?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We did not get Philly or Mav but got Jake Reed. Is this odd or is it hit or miss, or is JR less selective?

Love the use of "we" in this and other posts discussing lax achievements.....You and your son both suit up??? Pretty sure it is just him.

yeah I love the "we". It truly shows who this is really for.

my son got an invite to Jake Reed but since he is only 14, can't drive and has no money he can't go. I bet "he" wished "we" got the invite so my wife and I could take him and pay for it

It's almost as douchey as the uber fan that says "WE" when talking about a professional sports team. "We" need a better o line to protect Eli...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my son got an invite to Jake Reed but since he is only 14, can't drive and has no money he can't go. I bet "he" wished "we" got the invite so my wife and I could take him and pay for it

No need to justify. I hope to be a "WE" next year.

The MEN who are commenting are JEALOUS because their sons were not invited.

That is because they were probably lousy lax players in HS who were bullies, the real kind. They grew up, got married had kids and had hoped their sons would do better.

Only thing is: KARMA got them.

Remember, YOU are making memories with your son which is more than these guys.

Good Luck to you all.
A Lax Mom

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my son got an invite to Jake Reed but since he is only 14, can't drive and has no money he can't go. I bet "he" wished "we" got the invite so my wife and I could take him and pay for it

No need to justify. I hope to be a "WE" next year.

The MEN who are commenting are JEALOUS because their sons were not invited.

That is because they were probably lousy lax players in HS who were bullies, the real kind. They grew up, got married had kids and had hoped their sons would do better.

Only thing is: KARMA got them.

Remember, YOU are making memories with your son which is more than these guys.

Good Luck to you all.
A Lax Mom

I agree, people on here pick apart posts way too much. Who cares he vs we, too vs two. I mean is that really the bone you are on here to pick? Jealousy is very unbecoming.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my son got an invite to Jake Reed but since he is only 14, can't drive and has no money he can't go. I bet "he" wished "we" got the invite so my wife and I could take him and pay for it

No need to justify. I hope to be a "WE" next year.

The MEN who are commenting are JEALOUS because their sons were not invited.

That is because they were probably lousy lax players in HS who were bullies, the real kind. They grew up, got married had kids and had hoped their sons would do better.

Only thing is: KARMA got them.

Remember, YOU are making memories with your son which is more than these guys.

Good Luck to you all.
A Lax Mom

I agree, people on here pick apart posts way too much. Who cares he vs we, too vs two. I mean is that really the bone you are on here to pick? Jealousy is very unbecoming.

I am the OP on this WE JR. thing. These two posts are so true. Life isn't going well for them and theirs, so they snark on here against someone with good fortune. What are THEY teaching their kids? Kinda sad really.

WE (my 15 year old son and I) are going to JR. WE should both have a blast. HE will play well and have fun, I hope. I will see good lacrosse, I hope. HE wants to play college ball. I could not care less if that happens, unless it helps him get into a better school than grades alone. Also I guess I do want some of his dreams to come true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my son got an invite to Jake Reed but since he is only 14, can't drive and has no money he can't go. I bet "he" wished "we" got the invite so my wife and I could take him and pay for it

No need to justify. I hope to be a "WE" next year.

The MEN who are commenting are JEALOUS because their sons were not invited.

That is because they were probably lousy lax players in HS who were bullies, the real kind. They grew up, got married had kids and had hoped their sons would do better.

Only thing is: KARMA got them.

Remember, YOU are making memories with your son which is more than these guys.

Good Luck to you all.
A Lax Mom

I agree, people on here pick apart posts way too much. Who cares he vs we, too vs two. I mean is that really the bone you are on here to pick? Jealousy is very unbecoming.

But pompous self promotion is grand.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my son got an invite to Jake Reed but since he is only 14, can't drive and has no money he can't go. I bet "he" wished "we" got the invite so my wife and I could take him and pay for it

No need to justify. I hope to be a "WE" next year.

The MEN who are commenting are JEALOUS because their sons were not invited.

That is because they were probably lousy lax players in HS who were bullies, the real kind. They grew up, got married had kids and had hoped their sons would do better.

Only thing is: KARMA got them.

Remember, YOU are making memories with your son which is more than these guys.

Good Luck to you all.
A Lax Mom

I agree, people on here pick apart posts way too much. Who cares he vs we, too vs two. I mean is that really the bone you are on here to pick? Jealousy is very unbecoming.

But pompous self promotion is grand.

Your hubris is amazing. If its not about you or your child, you put others down for speaking about their child's success. Its as if they were putting a billboard on the side of the highway with a photo and name. There is no name attached so there is no benefit to the person posting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my son got an invite to Jake Reed but since he is only 14, can't drive and has no money he can't go. I bet "he" wished "we" got the invite so my wife and I could take him and pay for it

No need to justify. I hope to be a "WE" next year.

The MEN who are commenting are JEALOUS because their sons were not invited.

That is because they were probably lousy lax players in HS who were bullies, the real kind. They grew up, got married had kids and had hoped their sons would do better.

Only thing is: KARMA got them.

Remember, YOU are making memories with your son which is more than these guys.

Good Luck to you all.
A Lax Mom

I agree, people on here pick apart posts way too much. Who cares he vs we, too vs two. I mean is that really the bone you are on here to pick? Jealousy is very unbecoming.

But pompous self promotion is grand.

Your hubris is amazing. If its not about you or your child, you put others down for speaking about their child's success. Its as if they were putting a billboard on the side of the highway with a photo and name. There is no name attached so there is no benefit to the person posting.

To those parents raising their sons to be men of character, my hat is off to you. My son will be there standing with them proudly, in unity, facing the challenges ahead of them. If the biggest obstacle they must overcome in their young lives is the question of attending JR or a showcase the same week, GOD BLESS.

To the disgruntled lot of you.............

�It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.�

― Theodore Roosevelt

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my son got an invite to Jake Reed but since he is only 14, can't drive and has no money he can't go. I bet "he" wished "we" got the invite so my wife and I could take him and pay for it

No need to justify. I hope to be a "WE" next year.

The MEN who are commenting are JEALOUS because their sons were not invited.

That is because they were probably lousy lax players in HS who were bullies, the real kind. They grew up, got married had kids and had hoped their sons would do better.

Only thing is: KARMA got them.

Remember, YOU are making memories with your son which is more than these guys.

Good Luck to you all.
A Lax Mom

I agree, people on here pick apart posts way too much. Who cares he vs we, too vs two. I mean is that really the bone you are on here to pick? Jealousy is very unbecoming.

But pompous self promotion is grand.

Your hubris is amazing. If its not about you or your child, you put others down for speaking about their child's success. Its as if they were putting a billboard on the side of the highway with a photo and name. There is no name attached so there is no benefit to the person posting.

To those parents raising their sons to be men of character, my hat is off to you. My son will be there standing with them proudly, in unity, facing the challenges ahead of them. If the biggest obstacle they must overcome in their young lives is the question of attending JR or a showcase the same week, GOD BLESS.

To the disgruntled lot of you.............

�It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.�

― Theodore Roosevelt

Great quote, but really? About kids playing lacrosse? Come on, man... Get your head straight, it's a f---ing GAME! These kids thank god, aren't off to WAR like my father was at 18 in WWII. Get some perspective, please. Referencing quotes like kids are off to battle, so disturbingly absurd.

Another CRITIC.

Sad, he did not get the point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my son got an invite to Jake Reed but since he is only 14, can't drive and has no money he can't go. I bet "he" wished "we" got the invite so my wife and I could take him and pay for it

No need to justify. I hope to be a "WE" next year.

The MEN who are commenting are JEALOUS because their sons were not invited.

That is because they were probably lousy lax players in HS who were bullies, the real kind. They grew up, got married had kids and had hoped their sons would do better.

Only thing is: KARMA got them.

Remember, YOU are making memories with your son which is more than these guys.

Good Luck to you all.
A Lax Mom

I agree, people on here pick apart posts way too much. Who cares he vs we, too vs two. I mean is that really the bone you are on here to pick? Jealousy is very unbecoming.

But pompous self promotion is grand.

Your hubris is amazing. If its not about you or your child, you put others down for speaking about their child's success. Its as if they were putting a billboard on the side of the highway with a photo and name. There is no name attached so there is no benefit to the person posting.

To those parents raising their sons to be men of character, my hat is off to you. My son will be there standing with them proudly, in unity, facing the challenges ahead of them. If the biggest obstacle they must overcome in their young lives is the question of attending JR or a showcase the same week, GOD BLESS.

To the disgruntled lot of you.............

�It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.�

― Theodore Roosevelt

Get a grip! Fairly sure TR wasn't talking about anything remotely resembling travel lacrosse. Get over yourself already!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another CRITIC.

Sad, he did not get the point.

WOW! The original poster hit a nerve with some of you.

The meaning is profound. It applies for all aspects of one's life, more so today.

Education, Career, Athletics, Marriage, Parenting, Coaching, etc....Life is competitive. Life is not fair. WE KNOW THAT.

Teaching your son to work hard, do his best each and every day and ignore those who dare to standby and criticize, a great philosophy to live by.

By how some of you have reacted to the quote, the original poster nailed it. Teach your son to be a man of character, the like-minded will unite and the rest of them will react like you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another CRITIC.

Sad, he did not get the point.

WOW! The original poster hit a nerve with some of you.

The meaning is profound. It applies for all aspects of one's life, more so today.

Education, Career, Athletics, Marriage, Parenting, Coaching, etc....Life is competitive. Life is not fair. WE KNOW THAT.

Teaching your son to work hard, do his best each and every day and ignore those who dare to standby and criticize, a great philosophy to live by.

By how some of you have reacted to the quote, the original poster nailed it. Teach your son to be a man of character, the like-minded will unite and the rest of them will react like you.

He nailed NOTHING, it's a game. Played for fun. Potentially for a few dollars in scholarship money and a little boost in college entrance.

Westchester people, my kid on 2018 terps, which team was at the scrimmage yesterday? Was it the old 365 team or someone else? Was it the same team that scrimmaged the week before?

The problem is the parent who "nailed it" mistakenly thinks that he is in the arena along with his son. That is delusional and explains why so many are laughing at the use of the "we." I get that you help him, we all do, but then own it entirely. When he fails a test or screws up his SAT is that a "we" also or is it just his fault? How about when he throws a bad pass, is caught offsides or doesn't cover his man? Is that also a "we"? Something tells me those are his to own alone. When my son succeeds those accolades belong to him and when he fails that is also on him. My wife and I support and guide him, but it is his life to live...not ours. If you knew anything about TR you would understand that he would have it no other way.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another CRITIC.

Sad, he did not get the point.

WOW! The original poster hit a nerve with some of you.

The meaning is profound. It applies for all aspects of one's life, more so today.

Education, Career, Athletics, Marriage, Parenting, Coaching, etc....Life is competitive. Life is not fair. WE KNOW THAT.

Teaching your son to work hard, do his best each and every day and ignore those who dare to standby and criticize, a great philosophy to live by.

By how some of you have reacted to the quote, the original poster nailed it. Teach your son to be a man of character, the like-minded will unite and the rest of them will react like you.

He nailed NOTHING, it's a game. Played for fun. Potentially for a few dollars in scholarship money and a little boost in college entrance.

He certainly hit a nerve with you, you did feel the need to post didn't you?

Too bad many of you do not believe it is just a game. Played the way most of us grew up playing it. Steaks are a little higher now. The carrot dangling of paying less in college tuition is in front of you.

By the way you put each other down you would never know it is "a game. Played for fun." You are living vicariously through your sons, which in some respect is OK. However, it is their game to play now. Let them benefit from your experience and the insight you have because of the game you played.

Let's talk lacrosse.

Lacrosse Magazine just put out a Military Edition to honor our veterans who play the game.

Read the articles. More importantly, make sure your sons read the stories.

You will gain perspective.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Westchester people, my kid on 2018 terps, which team was at the scrimmage yesterday? Was it the old 365 team or someone else? Was it the same team that scrimmaged the week before?

It was 2019 Express North.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another CRITIC.

Sad, he did not get the point.

WOW! The original poster hit a nerve with some of you.

The meaning is profound. It applies for all aspects of one's life, more so today.

Education, Career, Athletics, Marriage, Parenting, Coaching, etc....Life is competitive. Life is not fair. WE KNOW THAT.

Teaching your son to work hard, do his best each and every day and ignore those who dare to standby and criticize, a great philosophy to live by.

By how some of you have reacted to the quote, the original poster nailed it. Teach your son to be a man of character, the like-minded will unite and the rest of them will react like you.

He nailed NOTHING, it's a game. Played for fun. Potentially for a few dollars in scholarship money and a little boost in college entrance.

He certainly hit a nerve with you, you did feel the need to post didn't you?

Too bad many of you do not believe it is just a game. Played the way most of us grew up playing it. Steaks are a little higher now. The carrot dangling of paying less in college tuition is in front of you.

By the way you put each other down you would never know it is "a game. Played for fun." You are living vicariously through your sons, which in some respect is OK. However, it is their game to play now. Let them benefit from your experience and the insight you have because of the game you played.

Let's talk lacrosse.

Lacrosse Magazine just put out a Military Edition to honor our veterans who play the game.

Read the articles. More importantly, make sure your sons read the stories.

You will gain perspective.

You are hopelessly na�ve. I already have a son playing in college, he received plenty of money for academics. I saved too much, and make too much for any need based aid. This is my second time around on this Merry go round. Have all the perspective in the world. Lacrosse is a game. Until you realize this you will continue to post quotes from TR. Or in your case, you'll sit there and actually be inspired for your boy over this quote or that quote, while you're trying to put this all in perspective. Been there, done that. It's a game. BTW, the only "Steaks" I'm concerned with are the ones I buy my son for dinner when I visit him at school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The problem is the parent who "nailed it" mistakenly thinks that he is in the arena along with his son. That is delusional and explains why so many are laughing at the use of the "we." I get that you help him, we all do, but then own it entirely. When he fails a test or screws up his SAT is that a "we" also or is it just his fault? How about when he throws a bad pass, is caught offsides or doesn't cover his man? Is that also a "we"? Something tells me those are his to own alone. When my son succeeds those accolades belong to him and when he fails that is also on him. My wife and I support and guide him, but it is his life to live...not ours. If you knew anything about TR you would understand that he would have it no other way.....

You read and or misunderstood the poster. The "nailed it" poster was spkg about the original guy who quoted TR. Basically, he was saying exactly what you said.

YOU both supported the quote. Being all in, all the time. Playing the game and coming out better for it. Encouraging your sons to be strong and succeed. Supporting them along the way. Not listening to critics.

TR was a great man.

As far as the magazine articles go, heroes, each and everyone of them.

reading these last two pages makes me want to pour vinegar in my eyes - yet I continue to read on. if we are going to quote the last decent republican I think the better quote is "speak softly and carry a big stick" - I think this is a reference to him playing defense (heard he was slow and only played man down), I have heard often that as a resident of Oyster Bay he was disappointed that they never had their own team and he was Chuck Greenspan's inspiration in starting the Oyster Bay Rough Riders lacrosse club.

Personally I think he would have been a Goalie

Originally Posted by Anonymous

reading these last two pages makes me want to pour vinegar in my eyes - yet I continue to read on. if we are going to quote the last decent republican I think the better quote is "speak softly and carry a big stick" - I think this is a reference to him playing defense (heard he was slow and only played man down), I have heard often that as a resident of Oyster Bay he was disappointed that they never had their own team and he was Chuck Greenspan's inspiration in starting the Oyster Bay Rough Riders lacrosse club.

Personally I think he would have been a Goalie

Well if TR was the last decent republican, then what does that say of today's democrats? America hating, constitutional trampling, Stalinist-Socialists who are transforming our country into a leftist cesspool? I presume? Why yes, me thinks I nailed it. Now go get the vinegar...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

reading these last two pages makes me want to pour vinegar in my eyes - yet I continue to read on. if we are going to quote the last decent republican I think the better quote is "speak softly and carry a big stick" - I think this is a reference to him playing defense (heard he was slow and only played man down), I have heard often that as a resident of Oyster Bay he was disappointed that they never had their own team and he was Chuck Greenspan's inspiration in starting the Oyster Bay Rough Riders lacrosse club.

Personally I think he would have been a Goalie

Well if TR was the last decent republican, then what does that say of today's democrats? America hating, constitutional trampling, Stalinist-Socialists who are transforming our country into a leftist cesspool? I presume? Why yes, me thinks I nailed it. Now go get the vinegar...

well - thank goodness you didn't take his bait.....lol, this is a lacrosse board not a political board what position would the gipper play? I'm thinking crease attack with Nixon a slippery attack on the right and O'Bama on the far left. Ford definitely is my fogo and Clinton would be a "dodger" up top on the left it would be interesting seeing Clinton up top and JFK on the bottom. LBJ, GW and Ike on the defense with Teddy in Goal, Taft would be a perfect back up goalie every team needs that 350 back up goalie. Channy would have 'em all going D1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another CRITIC.

Sad, he did not get the point.

WOW! The original poster hit a nerve with some of you.

The meaning is profound. It applies for all aspects of one's life, more so today.

Education, Career, Athletics, Marriage, Parenting, Coaching, etc....Life is competitive. Life is not fair. WE KNOW THAT.

Teaching your son to work hard, do his best each and every day and ignore those who dare to standby and criticize, a great philosophy to live by.

By how some of you have reacted to the quote, the original poster nailed it. Teach your son to be a man of character, the like-minded will unite and the rest of them will react like you.

He nailed NOTHING, it's a game. Played for fun. Potentially for a few dollars in scholarship money and a little boost in college entrance.

He certainly hit a nerve with you, you did feel the need to post didn't you?

Too bad many of you do not believe it is just a game. Played the way most of us grew up playing it. Steaks are a little higher now. The carrot dangling of paying less in college tuition is in front of you.

By the way you put each other down you would never know it is "a game. Played for fun." You are living vicariously through your sons, which in some respect is OK. However, it is their game to play now. Let them benefit from your experience and the insight you have because of the game you played.

Let's talk lacrosse.

Lacrosse Magazine just put out a Military Edition to honor our veterans who play the game.

Read the articles. More importantly, make sure your sons read the stories.

You will gain perspective.

You are hopelessly na�ve. I already have a son playing in college, he received plenty of money for academics. I saved too much, and make too much for any need based aid. This is my second time around on this Merry go round. Have all the perspective in the world. Lacrosse is a game. Until you realize this you will continue to post quotes from TR. Or in your case, you'll sit there and actually be inspired for your boy over this quote or that quote, while you're trying to put this all in perspective. Been there, done that. It's a game. BTW, the only "Steaks" I'm concerned with are the ones I buy my son for dinner when I visit him at school.

I prove my point.

I purposely used the "steaks" spelling in the content of my post.

YOU and your fellow bothers in disdain could not wait to point it out.

You sirs, are not worthy of refuting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

reading these last two pages makes me want to pour vinegar in my eyes - yet I continue to read on. if we are going to quote the last decent republican I think the better quote is "speak softly and carry a big stick" - I think this is a reference to him playing defense (heard he was slow and only played man down), I have heard often that as a resident of Oyster Bay he was disappointed that they never had their own team and he was Chuck Greenspan's inspiration in starting the Oyster Bay Rough Riders lacrosse club.

Personally I think he would have been a Goalie

Well if TR was the last decent republican, then what does that say of today's democrats? America hating, constitutional trampling, Stalinist-Socialists who are transforming our country into a leftist cesspool? I presume? Why yes, me thinks I nailed it. Now go get the vinegar...

well - thank goodness you didn't take his bait.....lol, this is a lacrosse board not a political board what position would the gipper play? I'm thinking crease attack with Nixon a slippery attack on the right and O'Bama on the far left. Ford definitely is my fogo and Clinton would be a "dodger" up top on the left it would be interesting seeing Clinton up top and JFK on the bottom. LBJ, GW and Ike on the defense with Teddy in Goal, Taft would be a perfect back up goalie every team needs that 350 back up goalie. Channy would have 'em all going D1

This my friend, is GOLDEN.

Copywrite ASAP.

Uh, the Terrapin Fall Classic schedules are out. Lots of good match ups on both days if anyone actually wants to talk about 2018 boys lacrosse. Just putting that out there.

Thanks. My son plays v long island express. How are they?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks. My son plays v long island express. How are they?

They are ok. Lots of good competition coming to Terrapin.

they stink

Terps play Madlax, VLC, Mustangs and Crabs
91 Plays Black Wolf, C2C, and Michigan

should be some great lacrosse, good luck to all the boys except the kid who's dad thinks Teddy Roosevelt was the last decent Republican - hope he has a crap day

2018 express very good team. Will win some and lose some, but will be a tough game for any team in this age group

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps play Madlax, VLC, Mustangs and Crabs
91 Plays Black Wolf, C2C, and Michigan

should be some great lacrosse, good luck to all the boys except the kid who's dad thinks Teddy Roosevelt was the last decent Republican - hope he has a crap day

What 91 team is that? Extreme?

UPenn another prospect day on dec 6 and 7th. 150 boys 2017 &2018.

What 2017s would spend the dollars if they have already moved to 2018?

UPenn prospect day in December is a waste of time. They're already done with their 2017 and 2018 classes. The 2019s are filling up fast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UPenn prospect day in December is a waste of time. They're already done with their 2017 and 2018 classes. The 2019s are filling up fast.

How many 2018 commits do they have?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UPenn prospect day in December is a waste of time. They're already done with their 2017 and 2018 classes. The 2019s are filling up fast.

How many 2018 commits do they have?

he was pulling your leg - they do not have any 2018 commits

Does UPenn get commitments from Football, basketball recruits this early? You would think the Ivies are held to a different standard, at least academically.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UPenn prospect day in December is a waste of time. They're already done with their 2017 and 2018 classes. The 2019s are filling up fast.

How many 2018 commits do they have?

he was pulling your leg - they do not have any 2018 commits

Somebody didn't take that to be a joke? Wow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UPenn prospect day in December is a waste of time. They're already done with their 2017 and 2018 classes. The 2019s are filling up fast.

How many 2018 commits do they have?

he was pulling your leg - they do not have any 2018 commits

Penn just committed a 2018 from malvern prep...middy. Announced by Ty today.

Penn is not messing around anymore and is in the thick of the early recruiting as demonstrated last year with the 2017's.

Terrapin schedule has some great 2018 match-ups this Sunday. Anyone know what schools are going to be recruiting there?

I didn't think this was a recruiting event? I thought we were just going for the competition and to get ready for those events coming up?

Really would prefer just to let them play and not freak out about what coaches are on the sidelines.

I am not against early recruiting at all, but one of the consequences that no one ever talks about--some of these kids must just be nervous. at 14, do they really need to here that they must do their absolute best because virgina is over there with a clip board?

I was really hoping sunday would be about beating the crabs, not impressing some assistant coach...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was really hoping sunday would be about beating the crabs, not impressing some assistant coach...

That would be nice, but unfortunately those days are long gone. This is about impressing some assistant coach.

Just think, by this time next year most top schools will have their 2018's full. At that point the boys can go back to playing for fun because they won't arrive on campus for 3 or 4 more years (PG anyone?)

It will be interesting to see what happens when some D1 coaches get fired for not winning enough at schools all-in with recruiting. Around the hallways in Charlottesville, it is an absolute given that Starsia won't be renewed with another contract. Early recruiting has expressed out mostly in the ACC with UVa, UNC & of course Hopkins and MD. Frankly, nothing is in the way for these coaches to do as they want recruiting wise, but let's be candid...will all be well on Charles St if Petrol can't win again? UNC there has been chirping for years that the lacrosse program can't put skins up in May. Now the early recruits are and will be good players, but what do they do in two or three years when they read the staff that recruited them is out? Granted this is not a reason to turn away from early recruiting programs, especially if good schools, but the unknowns are worth some analysis.

Some of the kids playing on Sunday have already committed. I fear that everyone is right, this will be a showcase for snagging early commits.

Way too many top 2018 teams playing in this "friendly" for there not to be coaches and tons of them.

I think your right, if sweet lax was playing, every 2018 verbal commit would be there Sunday. I guess with 4 2018 verbals they don't need to go.

Sweetlax playing Legacy tournament this Sunday.

I wanted my son to get the call as much as the next guy, but this is crazy nonetheless. We had the call and are going on a visit to a big lax school, what in the world does my true 14 year old have to say?

What does the coach expect him to ask? What should I ask? If they really want to recruit him, how many visits are we expected to make? Coach said we should be there most of the day to meet and then see practice and then tour school.

All comments--other than the nasty ones--are appreciated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sweetlax playing Legacy tournament this Sunday.

The "A" Sweetlax trams known as "Platinum are playing at Quaker LaxFest this weekend.

AAU just implemented new age requirements to cut down on cheating and double hold backs
You will need picture ID with age on it to play in tournaments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sweetlax playing Legacy tournament this Sunday.

The "A" Sweetlax trams known as "Platinum are playing at Quaker LaxFest this weekend.

Don't see any 2018 Sweatlax teams on the Quaker Laxfest schedule

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AAU just implemented new age requirements to cut down on cheating and double hold backs
You will need picture ID with age on it to play in tournaments

AAU ? Well maybe for basketball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AAU just implemented new age requirements to cut down on cheating and double hold backs
You will need picture ID with age on it to play in tournaments

...and how does that impact lacrosse. That rule is for boys basketball.

Lacrosse should do same

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sweetlax playing Legacy tournament this Sunday.

The "A" Sweetlax trams known as "Platinum are playing at Quaker LaxFest this weekend.

Not the 2018.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wanted my son to get the call as much as the next guy, but this is crazy nonetheless. We had the call and are going on a visit to a big lax school, what in the world does my true 14 year old have to say?

What does the coach expect him to ask? What should I ask? If they really want to recruit him, how many visits are we expected to make? Coach said we should be there most of the day to meet and then see practice and then tour school.

All comments--other than the nasty ones--are appreciated.

they want to talk to the kid, not the parents - he needs to study up on the school, different colleges within the university, different majors. kids on the team that went to his high school ect. He must try to be as verbal as possible, eye contact is important and some idea of what he wants to major in and do with his life even though in reality he has no idea. Just try to stay in the background and remind him to try an answer all questions with more then one word answers. I have been through this with three kids but my 2018 is far and away the youngest and it is crazy ridiculous process regardless of age but now having to ask a 14 year old to do it is just crazy. Also tell him to relax and enjoy the ride.

Can't stand them, but Crabs 2018 is BY FAR the best 2018 team. Proved it today. No chance anyone else is close right now. Depressing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't stand them, but Crabs 2018 is BY FAR the best 2018 team. Proved it today. No chance anyone else is close right now. Depressing.

Hop on the crabs thread and you'll hear about how they held back their best players from the 2017 team now on 2018 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sweetlax playing Legacy tournament this Sunday.

The "A" Sweetlax trams known as "Platinum are playing at Quaker LaxFest this weekend.

Not the 2018.

The best SweetLax teams played at the legacy invitational today. Both went 3-0

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't stand them, but Crabs 2018 is BY FAR the best 2018 team. Proved it today. No chance anyone else is close right now. Depressing.

How did that happen with 91 in Mass?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't stand them, but Crabs 2018 is BY FAR the best 2018 team. Proved it today. No chance anyone else is close right now. Depressing.

Wait until you see the 2018 FCA team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't stand them, but Crabs 2018 is BY FAR the best 2018 team. Proved it today. No chance anyone else is close right now. Depressing.

the beat a good a team today (that already lost earlier in the day) by two goals after being down 6-1 at half. Hardly the most dominating team in the land, just another one of the very good 2018 teams

Terps dad here

Terps went 2 and 2. Lost to Madlax in opening game 6 to 4 beat VLC and Texas and then lost to crabs 8-6 after being up 5-1 at half to end the day. All teams very competitive.

Crabs are a very good team for sure, but I would not put them ahead of 91. Terps just fell apart in second half and the back to back game at the end of a long day and terps couldn't close. Much credit to crabs for continuing to fight even when down.

Won't see many blow outs with this group, all teams very strong and every game will be a fight.

For teams I have seen I would rank as follows

91, crabs, dukes/terps, madlax, laxachusets, NH T. West coast stars, VLC and Texas all solid teams, but they will lose to the others consistently while putting up a great fight.

Even though terps lost to madlax yesterday, the terps played very poorly to start the day, so while not taking anything away from madlax, they will lose to terps more often than they will win...I think that when they put their madlax national team together, they rank much higher.

Haven't seen the FCA team but here they are if not the best, right at the top somewhere.

My opinions only, not putting down any of these teams, just ranking based upon what I have seen end of last summer and beginning of fall.

There must have been 10 D-1 programs on the sidelines yesterday. We saw Brown, Princeton, Harvard, Michigan, Penn State, JHU, UNC, MD...Parents, some free advice, I don't think these guys want to talk to you when they happen to be on the same sideline. If you do talk to them, don't tell them your kids name...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps dad here

Terps went 2 and 2. Lost to Madlax in opening game 6 to 4 beat VLC and Texas and then lost to crabs 8-6 after being up 5-1 at half to end the day. All teams very competitive.

Crabs are a very good team for sure, but I would not put them ahead of 91. Terps just fell apart in second half and the back to back game at the end of a long day and terps couldn't close. Much credit to crabs for continuing to fight even when down.

Won't see many blow outs with this group, all teams very strong and every game will be a fight.

For teams I have seen I would rank as follows

91, crabs, dukes/terps, madlax, laxachusets, NH T. West coast stars, VLC and Texas all solid teams, but they will lose to the others consistently while putting up a great fight.

Even though terps lost to madlax yesterday, the terps played very poorly to start the day, so while not taking anything away from madlax, they will lose to terps more often than they will win...I think that when they put their madlax national team together, they rank much higher.

Haven't seen the FCA team but here they are if not the best, right at the top somewhere.

My opinions only, not putting down any of these teams, just ranking based upon what I have seen end of last summer and beginning of fall.

There must have been 10 D-1 programs on the sidelines yesterday. We saw Brown, Princeton, Harvard, Michigan, Penn State, JHU, UNC, MD...Parents, some free advice, I don't think these guys want to talk to you when they happen to be on the same sideline. If you do talk to them, don't tell them your kids name...

Terps lost the game to crabs due to poor coaching, yes they did play back to back games but the fact that MC only played 12(13) players and had the rest watch was, in my opinion, just poor coaching. the first half, he rotated player letting them rest but for some unknown reason, he decided, in his infinite wisdom, to push the 12(13) players and they were dragging. I have observed this from MC do this on several occasions in various tournaments and each time, they have lost.

Just my observations, no affiliation with Express, just like watching quality games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps lost the game to crabs due to poor coaching, yes they did play back to back games but the fact that MC only played 12(13) players and had the rest watch was, in my opinion, just poor coaching. the first half, he rotated player letting them rest but for some unknown reason, he decided, in his infinite wisdom, to push the 12(13) players and they were dragging. I have observed this from MC do this on several occasions in various tournaments and each time, they have lost.

Just my observations, no affiliation with Express, just like watching quality games.

I would love to know who would be in Pasadena Md. at 4pm on a cold Sunday afternoon with no affiliation to the Express but just wanted to watch the game? no affiliation with the express yet was able to keep track of playing time of 24 players on a team that he/she has no affiliation with in both in the first half and the second half? are you a 91 parent or coach that was in no rush to get home so you stuck around for an extra hour to keep track of playing time? or perhaps you are in fact affiliated with the express and perhaps even affiliated with one of the players that did not play a lot in the second half?

As for my observations of the game (I am affiliated with the team) The Crabs are better then the Terps - the first half the Terps won every faceoff, either straight win or procedure and the Terps wound up getting 2 or 3 man ups because of all the procedure penalties also in the first half the Terps goalie played the best half of goal tending I have ever seen. The second half possession was 75% Crabs, they are big- strong and fast and dominated the game. I think that they beat the Terps 10 out of 10 times no matter who the coach is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps dad here

Terps went 2 and 2. Lost to Madlax in opening game 6 to 4 beat VLC and Texas and then lost to crabs 8-6 after being up 5-1 at half to end the day. All teams very competitive.

Crabs are a very good team for sure, but I would not put them ahead of 91. Terps just fell apart in second half and the back to back game at the end of a long day and terps couldn't close. Much credit to crabs for continuing to fight even when down.

Won't see many blow outs with this group, all teams very strong and every game will be a fight.

For teams I have seen I would rank as follows

91, crabs, dukes/terps, madlax, laxachusets, NH T. West coast stars, VLC and Texas all solid teams, but they will lose to the others consistently while putting up a great fight.

Even though terps lost to madlax yesterday, the terps played very poorly to start the day, so while not taking anything away from madlax, they will lose to terps more often than they will win...I think that when they put their madlax national team together, they rank much higher.

Haven't seen the FCA team but here they are if not the best, right at the top somewhere.

My opinions only, not putting down any of these teams, just ranking based upon what I have seen end of last summer and beginning of fall.

There must have been 10 D-1 programs on the sidelines yesterday. We saw Brown, Princeton, Harvard, Michigan, Penn State, JHU, UNC, MD...Parents, some free advice, I don't think these guys want to talk to you when they happen to be on the same sideline. If you do talk to them, don't tell them your kids name...

91 Extreme tied the Tomahawks 7-7. so you can't say they are the best. Agree, that on any day, any of these teams can beat another. Should be a great run this year.

LI Express North was at Legacy went 2 and 1
beat NH tomahawks 9 to 4
lost to Sweetlax 9 to 4
beat Laxahusets 6to 4
might want to add both teams to your list

Plenty of other quality 2018 teams out there

3d lacrosse has a new Tri State team thats gonna compete with anyone

Dukes 2018 is getting high praise from the lax reporters

Mesa and Headstrong 2018 also legit

Lots of talent all around

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps lost the game to crabs due to poor coaching, yes they did play back to back games but the fact that MC only played 12(13) players and had the rest watch was, in my opinion, just poor coaching. the first half, he rotated player letting them rest but for some unknown reason, he decided, in his infinite wisdom, to push the 12(13) players and they were dragging. I have observed this from MC do this on several occasions in various tournaments and each time, they have lost.

Just my observations, no affiliation with Express, just like watching quality games.

I would love to know who would be in Pasadena Md. at 4pm on a cold Sunday afternoon with no affiliation to the Express but just wanted to watch the game? no affiliation with the express yet was able to keep track of playing time of 24 players on a team that he/she has no affiliation with in both in the first half and the second half? are you a 91 parent or coach that was in no rush to get home so you stuck around for an extra hour to keep track of playing time? or perhaps you are in fact affiliated with the express and perhaps even affiliated with one of the players that did not play a lot in the second half?

As for my observations of the game (I am affiliated with the team) The Crabs are better then the Terps - the first half the Terps won every faceoff, either straight win or procedure and the Terps wound up getting 2 or 3 man ups because of all the procedure penalties also in the first half the Terps goalie played the best half of goal tending I have ever seen. The second half possession was 75% Crabs, they are big- strong and fast and dominated the game. I think that they beat the Terps 10 out of 10 times no matter who the coach is.

One thing missing from your post is a denial of the allegation that only 1/2 the kids on the team actually played in the game.

This issue has been discussed repeatedly on this site, but if only 1/2 the kids played he should be beyond ashamed. Getting kids all jacked up for a big recruiting weekend only to have them just stand around freezing their asses off with no chance to show the litany of D-1 coaches what they can do....real nice.

The fact that this garbage has happended (many times) before and will likely continue doesn't make it any less gross.....Cannot imagine why a parent would pay the fees, gas, hotel, etc. to have their kid treated that way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Express North was at Legacy went 2 and 1
beat NH tomahawks 9 to 4
lost to Sweetlax 9 to 4
beat Laxahusets 6to 4
might want to add both teams to your list

Agreed and added. I just haven't seen them play

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Express North was at Legacy went 2 and 1
beat NH tomahawks 9 to 4
lost to Sweetlax 9 to 4
beat Laxahusets 6to 4
might want to add both teams to your list

Agreed and added. I just haven't seen them play

you might remember them as 365 out of Westchester. solid team, can compete with best. 2018 has several teams from all over that can compete, it will really be hard to rank them without setting something up and inviting them. West Coast Stars, 3D Select, Brady's bunch, and who knows what we haven't seen.

re Mustangs, we beat Madlax yesterday but need to get more consistent to break into this discussion. We had a great weekend of competition and exposure, which we just can't get in TX. Wish we could play more, but it's expensive. Hope to see ya'll in Philly in 3 weeks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps lost the game to crabs due to poor coaching, yes they did play back to back games but the fact that MC only played 12(13) players and had the rest watch was, in my opinion, just poor coaching. the first half, he rotated player letting them rest but for some unknown reason, he decided, in his infinite wisdom, to push the 12(13) players and they were dragging. I have observed this from MC do this on several occasions in various tournaments and each time, they have lost.

Just my observations, no affiliation with Express, just like watching quality games.

I would love to know who would be in Pasadena Md. at 4pm on a cold Sunday afternoon with no affiliation to the Express but just wanted to watch the game? no affiliation with the express yet was able to keep track of playing time of 24 players on a team that he/she has no affiliation with in both in the first half and the second half? are you a 91 parent or coach that was in no rush to get home so you stuck around for an extra hour to keep track of playing time? or perhaps you are in fact affiliated with the express and perhaps even affiliated with one of the players that did not play a lot in the second half?

As for my observations of the game (I am affiliated with the team) The Crabs are better then the Terps - the first half the Terps won every faceoff, either straight win or procedure and the Terps wound up getting 2 or 3 man ups because of all the procedure penalties also in the first half the Terps goalie played the best half of goal tending I have ever seen. The second half possession was 75% Crabs, they are big- strong and fast and dominated the game. I think that they beat the Terps 10 out of 10 times no matter who the coach is.

One thing missing from your post is a denial of the allegation that only 1/2 the kids on the team actually played in the game.

This issue has been discussed repeatedly on this site, but if only 1/2 the kids played he should be beyond ashamed. Getting kids all jacked up for a big recruiting weekend only to have them just stand around freezing their asses off with no chance to show the litany of D-1 coaches what they can do....real nice.

The fact that this garbage has happended (many times) before and will likely continue doesn't make it any less gross.....Cannot imagine why a parent would pay the fees, gas, hotel, etc. to have their kid treated that way.

For the record, all boys played a full day from what I saw. Remember there were four games. At first two games, there were a dozen D-1 coaches and boys all played, and had chances to shine in front of them. When the third game started (directly before crabs game) coaches were starting to thin out.

There were only one of two present at the crabs game (D-1 guys for the most part left before the final game crabs v terps, as it was already late and I guess they had seen enough). We are talking about the last twenty minutes of a crabs game with no coaches around. MC decided to pay who he thinks are his horses, no fault there.

No parent would drive the 5 hours and not have their kid play...

Texas...like your team, nice kids, nice parents. Always a pleasure when you come to visit.

You guys beat the madlax team? Terps lost to them 1st game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps lost the game to crabs due to poor coaching, yes they did play back to back games but the fact that MC only played 12(13) players and had the rest watch was, in my opinion, just poor coaching. the first half, he rotated player letting them rest but for some unknown reason, he decided, in his infinite wisdom, to push the 12(13) players and they were dragging. I have observed this from MC do this on several occasions in various tournaments and each time, they have lost.

Just my observations, no affiliation with Express, just like watching quality games.

I would love to know who would be in Pasadena Md. at 4pm on a cold Sunday afternoon with no affiliation to the Express but just wanted to watch the game? no affiliation with the express yet was able to keep track of playing time of 24 players on a team that he/she has no affiliation with in both in the first half and the second half? are you a 91 parent or coach that was in no rush to get home so you stuck around for an extra hour to keep track of playing time? or perhaps you are in fact affiliated with the express and perhaps even affiliated with one of the players that did not play a lot in the second half?

As for my observations of the game (I am affiliated with the team) The Crabs are better then the Terps - the first half the Terps won every faceoff, either straight win or procedure and the Terps wound up getting 2 or 3 man ups because of all the procedure penalties also in the first half the Terps goalie played the best half of goal tending I have ever seen. The second half possession was 75% Crabs, they are big- strong and fast and dominated the game. I think that they beat the Terps 10 out of 10 times no matter who the coach is.

Caveat Emptor

One thing missing from your post is a denial of the allegation that only 1/2 the kids on the team actually played in the game.

This issue has been discussed repeatedly on this site, but if only 1/2 the kids played he should be beyond ashamed. Getting kids all jacked up for a big recruiting weekend only to have them just stand around freezing their asses off with no chance to show the litany of D-1 coaches what they can do....real nice.

The fact that this garbage has happended (many times) before and will likely continue doesn't make it any less gross.....Cannot imagine why a parent would pay the fees, gas, hotel, etc. to have their kid treated that way.

Thanks. Yes, Texas Mustangs beat Madlax 7-5. Hard fought game by both teams. Our boys and parents love the competition and it great learning experience against some really good teams like Madlax, LIE Terps, VLC, Freedom, etc. Can't get that in Texas.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps lost the game to crabs due to poor coaching, yes they did play back to back games but the fact that MC only played 12(13) players and had the rest watch was, in my opinion, just poor coaching. the first half, he rotated player letting them rest but for some unknown reason, he decided, in his infinite wisdom, to push the 12(13) players and they were dragging. I have observed this from MC do this on several occasions in various tournaments and each time, they have lost.

Just my observations, no affiliation with Express, just like watching quality games.

I would love to know who would be in Pasadena Md. at 4pm on a cold Sunday afternoon with no affiliation to the Express but just wanted to watch the game? no affiliation with the express yet was able to keep track of playing time of 24 players on a team that he/she has no affiliation with in both in the first half and the second half? are you a 91 parent or coach that was in no rush to get home so you stuck around for an extra hour to keep track of playing time? or perhaps you are in fact affiliated with the express and perhaps even affiliated with one of the players that did not play a lot in the second half?

As for my observations of the game (I am affiliated with the team) The Crabs are better then the Terps - the first half the Terps won every faceoff, either straight win or procedure and the Terps wound up getting 2 or 3 man ups because of all the procedure penalties also in the first half the Terps goalie played the best half of goal tending I have ever seen. The second half possession was 75% Crabs, they are big- strong and fast and dominated the game. I think that they beat the Terps 10 out of 10 times no matter who the coach is.

One thing missing from your post is a denial of the allegation that only 1/2 the kids on the team actually played in the game.

This issue has been discussed repeatedly on this site, but if only 1/2 the kids played he should be beyond ashamed. Getting kids all jacked up for a big recruiting weekend only to have them just stand around freezing their asses off with no chance to show the litany of D-1 coaches what they can do....real nice.

The fact that this garbage has happended (many times) before and will likely continue doesn't make it any less gross.....Cannot imagine why a parent would pay the fees, gas, hotel, etc. to have their kid treated that way.

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I can not confirm nor deny the playing time of all the kids but I am sure a few played less in the crabs game then they played in the first three games, the point of my post was that I question the persons claim to not being affiliated with the express yet knows the players well enough to know who is playing and how much they are playing. I have a kid on the team and I don't even know all the players on the team, and with them wearing their tryout pinnies and not regular numbers I couldn't name half the kids on the field at any one time yet this unaffiliated poster knows who played and how much they played well enough to say MC lost the game. silly silly silly

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps lost the game to crabs due to poor coaching, yes they did play back to back games but the fact that MC only played 12(13) players and had the rest watch was, in my opinion, just poor coaching. the first half, he rotated player letting them rest but for some unknown reason, he decided, in his infinite wisdom, to push the 12(13) players and they were dragging. I have observed this from MC do this on several occasions in various tournaments and each time, they have lost.

Just my observations, no affiliation with Express, just like watching quality games.

I would love to know who would be in Pasadena Md. at 4pm on a cold Sunday afternoon with no affiliation to the Express but just wanted to watch the game? no affiliation with the express yet was able to keep track of playing time of 24 players on a team that he/she has no affiliation with in both in the first half and the second half? are you a 91 parent or coach that was in no rush to get home so you stuck around for an extra hour to keep track of playing time? or perhaps you are in fact affiliated with the express and perhaps even affiliated with one of the players that did not play a lot in the second half?

As for my observations of the game (I am affiliated with the team) The Crabs are better then the Terps - the first half the Terps won every faceoff, either straight win or procedure and the Terps wound up getting 2 or 3 man ups because of all the procedure penalties also in the first half the Terps goalie played the best half of goal tending I have ever seen. The second half possession was 75% Crabs, they are big- strong and fast and dominated the game. I think that they beat the Terps 10 out of 10 times no matter who the coach is.

One thing missing from your post is a denial of the allegation that only 1/2 the kids on the team actually played in the game.

This issue has been discussed repeatedly on this site, but if only 1/2 the kids played he should be beyond ashamed. Getting kids all jacked up for a big recruiting weekend only to have them just stand around freezing their asses off with no chance to show the litany of D-1 coaches what they can do....real nice.

The fact that this garbage has happended (many times) before and will likely continue doesn't make it any less gross.....Cannot imagine why a parent would pay the fees, gas, hotel, etc. to have their kid treated that way.

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I can not confirm nor deny the playing time of all the kids but I am sure a few played less in the crabs game then they played in the first three games, the point of my post was that I question the persons claim to not being affiliated with the express yet knows the players well enough to know who is playing and how much they are playing. I have a kid on the team and I don't even know all the players on the team, and with them wearing their tryout pinnies and not regular numbers I couldn't name half the kids on the field at any one time yet this unaffiliated poster knows who played and how much they played well enough to say MC lost the game. silly silly silly

Agreed. Can't stand having to learn new numbers...However, some of the kids now helping us out by wearing school helmets..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps lost the game to crabs due to poor coaching, yes they did play back to back games but the fact that MC only played 12(13) players and had the rest watch was, in my opinion, just poor coaching. the first half, he rotated player letting them rest but for some unknown reason, he decided, in his infinite wisdom, to push the 12(13) players and they were dragging. I have observed this from MC do this on several occasions in various tournaments and each time, they have lost.

Just my observations, no affiliation with Express, just like watching quality games.

I would love to know who would be in Pasadena Md. at 4pm on a cold Sunday afternoon with no affiliation to the Express but just wanted to watch the game? no affiliation with the express yet was able to keep track of playing time of 24 players on a team that he/she has no affiliation with in both in the first half and the second half? are you a 91 parent or coach that was in no rush to get home so you stuck around for an extra hour to keep track of playing time? or perhaps you are in fact affiliated with the express and perhaps even affiliated with one of the players that did not play a lot in the second half?

As for my observations of the game (I am affiliated with the team) The Crabs are better then the Terps - the first half the Terps won every faceoff, either straight win or procedure and the Terps wound up getting 2 or 3 man ups because of all the procedure penalties also in the first half the Terps goalie played the best half of goal tending I have ever seen. The second half possession was 75% Crabs, they are big- strong and fast and dominated the game. I think that they beat the Terps 10 out of 10 times no matter who the coach is.

One thing missing from your post is a denial of the allegation that only 1/2 the kids on the team actually played in the game.

This issue has been discussed repeatedly on this site, but if only 1/2 the kids played he should be beyond ashamed. Getting kids all jacked up for a big recruiting weekend only to have them just stand around freezing their asses off with no chance to show the litany of D-1 coaches what they can do....real nice.

The fact that this garbage has happended (many times) before and will likely continue doesn't make it any less gross.....Cannot imagine why a parent would pay the fees, gas, hotel, etc. to have their kid treated that way.

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I can not confirm nor deny the playing time of all the kids but I am sure a few played less in the crabs game then they played in the first three games, the point of my post was that I question the persons claim to not being affiliated with the express yet knows the players well enough to know who is playing and how much they are playing. I have a kid on the team and I don't even know all the players on the team, and with them wearing their tryout pinnies and not regular numbers I couldn't name half the kids on the field at any one time yet this unaffiliated poster knows who played and how much they played well enough to say MC lost the game. silly silly silly

Agreed. Can't stand having to learn new numbers...However, some of the kids now helping us out by wearing school helmets..

Now that we know how the Terps did in their first tourney - how about the rest of the 2018 teams? Big weekend for tourneys how did everyone do? Extreme? 91 Orange? Outlaws? fl$? Jesters? Wolverines?

Apparently FCA Blue beat Dukes 13-2. Can anyone verify this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps lost the game to crabs due to poor coaching, yes they did play back to back games but the fact that MC only played 12(13) players and had the rest watch was, in my opinion, just poor coaching. the first half, he rotated player letting them rest but for some unknown reason, he decided, in his infinite wisdom, to push the 12(13) players and they were dragging. I have observed this from MC do this on several occasions in various tournaments and each time, they have lost.

Just my observations, no affiliation with Express, just like watching quality games.

I would love to know who would be in Pasadena Md. at 4pm on a cold Sunday afternoon with no affiliation to the Express but just wanted to watch the game? no affiliation with the express yet was able to keep track of playing time of 24 players on a team that he/she has no affiliation with in both in the first half and the second half? are you a 91 parent or coach that was in no rush to get home so you stuck around for an extra hour to keep track of playing time? or perhaps you are in fact affiliated with the express and perhaps even affiliated with one of the players that did not play a lot in the second half?

As for my observations of the game (I am affiliated with the team) The Crabs are better then the Terps - the first half the Terps won every faceoff, either straight win or procedure and the Terps wound up getting 2 or 3 man ups because of all the procedure penalties also in the first half the Terps goalie played the best half of goal tending I have ever seen. The second half possession was 75% Crabs, they are big- strong and fast and dominated the game. I think that they beat the Terps 10 out of 10 times no matter who the coach is.

One thing missing from your post is a denial of the allegation that only 1/2 the kids on the team actually played in the game.

This issue has been discussed repeatedly on this site, but if only 1/2 the kids played he should be beyond ashamed. Getting kids all jacked up for a big recruiting weekend only to have them just stand around freezing their asses off with no chance to show the litany of D-1 coaches what they can do....real nice.

The fact that this garbage has happended (many times) before and will likely continue doesn't make it any less gross.....Cannot imagine why a parent would pay the fees, gas, hotel, etc. to have their kid treated that way.

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I can not confirm nor deny the playing time of all the kids but I am sure a few played less in the crabs game then they played in the first three games, the point of my post was that I question the persons claim to not being affiliated with the express yet knows the players well enough to know who is playing and how much they are playing. I have a kid on the team and I don't even know all the players on the team, and with them wearing their tryout pinnies and not regular numbers I couldn't name half the kids on the field at any one time yet this unaffiliated poster knows who played and how much they played well enough to say MC lost the game. silly silly silly

Point is, it happened. And we're not talking about an overtime to decide the NCAA championship. Although you would think we were given how the playing time is managed. They are at an age now where it's not about winning but about exposure and field time. The who beat who is bygone. These families paid for their kids' athletic ability to be seen by coaches. Talk about a confidence killer. I'm sure there were a lot of consoling in those car rides home.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps lost the game to crabs due to poor coaching, yes they did play back to back games but the fact that MC only played 12(13) players and had the rest watch was, in my opinion, just poor coaching. the first half, he rotated player letting them rest but for some unknown reason, he decided, in his infinite wisdom, to push the 12(13) players and they were dragging. I have observed this from MC do this on several occasions in various tournaments and each time, they have lost.

Just my observations, no affiliation with Express, just like watching quality games.

I would love to know who would be in Pasadena Md. at 4pm on a cold Sunday afternoon with no affiliation to the Express but just wanted to watch the game? no affiliation with the express yet was able to keep track of playing time of 24 players on a team that he/she has no affiliation with in both in the first half and the second half? are you a 91 parent or coach that was in no rush to get home so you stuck around for an extra hour to keep track of playing time? or perhaps you are in fact affiliated with the express and perhaps even affiliated with one of the players that did not play a lot in the second half?

As for my observations of the game (I am affiliated with the team) The Crabs are better then the Terps - the first half the Terps won every faceoff, either straight win or procedure and the Terps wound up getting 2 or 3 man ups because of all the procedure penalties also in the first half the Terps goalie played the best half of goal tending I have ever seen. The second half possession was 75% Crabs, they are big- strong and fast and dominated the game. I think that they beat the Terps 10 out of 10 times no matter who the coach is.

One thing missing from your post is a denial of the allegation that only 1/2 the kids on the team actually played in the game.

This issue has been discussed repeatedly on this site, but if only 1/2 the kids played he should be beyond ashamed. Getting kids all jacked up for a big recruiting weekend only to have them just stand around freezing their asses off with no chance to show the litany of D-1 coaches what they can do....real nice.

The fact that this garbage has happended (many times) before and will likely continue doesn't make it any less gross.....Cannot imagine why a parent would pay the fees, gas, hotel, etc. to have their kid treated that way.

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I can not confirm nor deny the playing time of all the kids but I am sure a few played less in the crabs game then they played in the first three games, the point of my post was that I question the persons claim to not being affiliated with the express yet knows the players well enough to know who is playing and how much they are playing. I have a kid on the team and I don't even know all the players on the team, and with them wearing their tryout pinnies and not regular numbers I couldn't name half the kids on the field at any one time yet this unaffiliated poster knows who played and how much they played well enough to say MC lost the game. silly silly silly

Point is, it happened. And we're not talking about an overtime to decide the NCAA championship. Although you would think we were given how the playing time is managed. They are at an age now where it's not about winning but about exposure and field time. The who beat who is bygone. These families paid for their kids' athletic ability to be seen by coaches. Talk about a confidence killer. I'm sure there were a lot of consoling in those car rides home.

As someone else said, there were no coaches there for second half of crabs game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Apparently FCA Blue beat Dukes 13-2. Can anyone verify this?

I was told 12-2. That FCA team is supposedly very, very solid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Point is, it happened. And we're not talking about an overtime to decide the NCAA championship. Although you would think we were given how the playing time is managed. They are at an age now where it's not about winning but about exposure and field time. The who beat who is bygone. These families paid for their kids' athletic ability to be seen by coaches. Talk about a confidence killer. I'm sure there were a lot of consoling in those car rides home.

just a thought here, if a kid is not a top player on his team at this time and his coaches feel three or four players on his own team are better then him, again, at this point. do you really think another shift or two in front of D1 coaches is really going to be a life changer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Point is, it happened. And we're not talking about an overtime to decide the NCAA championship. Although you would think we were given how the playing time is managed. They are at an age now where it's not about winning but about exposure and field time. The who beat who is bygone. These families paid for their kids' athletic ability to be seen by coaches. Talk about a confidence killer. I'm sure there were a lot of consoling in those car rides home.

just a thought here, if a kid is not a top player on his team at this time and his coaches feel three or four players on his own team are better then him, again, at this point. do you really think another shift or two in front of D1 coaches is really going to be a life changer?

They all paid the same amount of money. If the playing time was going to be unequal then that should be stated up front. There are lots of clubs that have a philosophy that wins and losses don't mean anything and that there will be equal time for all regardless of the score. Obviously, Express is not one of those clubs. In high school and college you can't expect equal playing time. But in the pay for play world, that should be the only way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They all paid the same amount of money. If the playing time was going to be unequal then that should be stated up front. There are lots of clubs that have a philosophy that wins and losses don't mean anything and that there will be equal time for all regardless of the score. Obviously, Express is not one of those clubs. In high school and college you can't expect equal playing time. But in the pay for play world, that should be the only way.

Isn't that socialism? As a capitalist and an American I am proud that my son plays for a real American team that try's to win and not just participate. Good luck trying to get that full ride to University of Leningrad comrade I hear the Tovarishch's are looking for a middy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They all paid the same amount of money. If the playing time was going to be unequal then that should be stated up front. There are lots of clubs that have a philosophy that wins and losses don't mean anything and that there will be equal time for all regardless of the score. Obviously, Express is not one of those clubs. In high school and college you can't expect equal playing time. But in the pay for play world, that should be the only way.

I seriously doubt that anybody in the travel lacrosse world thinks for a minute that playing time is going to be equal at this level, and particularly anybody that posts here on BOTC. If you come on this site more then once a year you know that playing time is not equal on Express or pretty much any other team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Point is, it happened. And we're not talking about an overtime to decide the NCAA championship. Although you would think we were given how the playing time is managed. They are at an age now where it's not about winning but about exposure and field time. The who beat who is bygone. These families paid for their kids' athletic ability to be seen by coaches. Talk about a confidence killer. I'm sure there were a lot of consoling in those car rides home.

just a thought here, if a kid is not a top player on his team at this time and his coaches feel three or four players on his own team are better then him, again, at this point. do you really think another shift or two in front of D1 coaches is really going to be a life changer?

They all paid the same amount of money. If the playing time was going to be unequal then that should be stated up front. There are lots of clubs that have a philosophy that wins and losses don't mean anything and that there will be equal time for all regardless of the score. Obviously, Express is not one of those clubs. In high school and college you can't expect equal playing time. But in the pay for play world, that should be the only way.

Playing time will always be equal on the lower level B teams and the C teams. On A teams and competitive B teams the best players will play more. And some of those best players didn't even pay as much as you did. Just the way it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They all paid the same amount of money. If the playing time was going to be unequal then that should be stated up front. There are lots of clubs that have a philosophy that wins and losses don't mean anything and that there will be equal time for all regardless of the score. Obviously, Express is not one of those clubs. In high school and college you can't expect equal playing time. But in the pay for play world, that should be the only way.

I seriously doubt that anybody in the travel lacrosse world thinks for a minute that playing time is going to be equal at this level, and particularly anybody that posts here on BOTC. If you come on this site more then once a year you know that playing time is not equal on Express or pretty much any other team.

I agree and disagree. Some teams will have kids travel but not play them and that is wrong. Barring behavior issues, if a kid is good enough to have his fees taken he should play or the coach should let him and his parents who are paying upfront. Should play time be equal�nope, but each kid should see a decent amount of time on the field. It is hard to watch sometimes but at this level parents are paying for exposure. There shouldn't be 30 kids on a team and coaches shouldn't pad the teams with older kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They all paid the same amount of money. If the playing time was going to be unequal then that should be stated up front. There are lots of clubs that have a philosophy that wins and losses don't mean anything and that there will be equal time for all regardless of the score. Obviously, Express is not one of those clubs. In high school and college you can't expect equal playing time. But in the pay for play world, that should be the only way.

Not sure if you completely understand the Elite Travel lax world, do a little research on the Dukes website under questions: Look up playing time. Do the same for Leading Edge in NJ. Playing time at these top clubs is earned, not given. It's the way it works.

I seriously doubt that anybody in the travel lacrosse world thinks for a minute that playing time is going to be equal at this level, and particularly anybody that posts here on BOTC. If you come on this site more then once a year you know that playing time is not equal on Express or pretty much any other team.

overheard this conversation on the fields sunday -

Parent: *Coach Chanenchuck, did you order the team to and win and not play equal playing time?

Coach Lynott: You don't have to answer that question!

MC: I'll answer the question!

MC: You want answers?

Parent: I think I'm entitled to.

MC: You want answers?

Parent: I want the truth!

MC: You can't handle the truth!

MC: We live in a world that has fields, and those fields have to be guarded by men with lacrosse sticks. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Daddy Richpants? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the kids on the bench, and you curse the Express. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That unbalanced playing time, while tragic, probably wins games. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, you win games with the better players in the game. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that sideline, you need me on that sideline. We use words like equal, fair, fun. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent spoiling your kids. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under dreams of scholarships that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, pay your tuition and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a whistle, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what playing time you think your kid is entitled to.

Parent: Did you order the unfair playing time?

MC: I did the job I...

Parent: Did you order the unfair playing time?

MC: You're Goddamn right I did!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

overheard this conversation on the fields sunday -

Parent: *Coach Chanenchuck, did you order the team to and win and not play equal playing time?

Coach Lynott: You don't have to answer that question!

MC: I'll answer the question!

MC: You want answers?

Parent: I think I'm entitled to.

MC: You want answers?

Parent: I want the truth!

MC: You can't handle the truth!

MC: We live in a world that has fields, and those fields have to be guarded by men with lacrosse sticks. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Daddy Richpants? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the kids on the bench, and you curse the Express. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That unbalanced playing time, while tragic, probably wins games. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, you win games with the better players in the game. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that sideline, you need me on that sideline. We use words like equal, fair, fun. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent spoiling your kids. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under dreams of scholarships that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, pay your tuition and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a whistle, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what playing time you think your kid is entitled to.

Parent: Did you order the unfair playing time?

MC: I did the job I...

Parent: Did you order the unfair playing time?

MC: You're Goddamn right I did!

THE GREATEST POST ON THIS SITE EVER!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

overheard this conversation on the fields sunday -

Parent: *Coach Chanenchuck, did you order the team to and win and not play equal playing time?

Coach Lynott: You don't have to answer that question!

MC: I'll answer the question!

MC: You want answers?

Parent: I think I'm entitled to.

MC: You want answers?

Parent: I want the truth!

MC: You can't handle the truth!

MC: We live in a world that has fields, and those fields have to be guarded by men with lacrosse sticks. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Daddy Richpants? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the kids on the bench, and you curse the Express. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That unbalanced playing time, while tragic, probably wins games. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, you win games with the better players in the game. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that sideline, you need me on that sideline. We use words like equal, fair, fun. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent spoiling your kids. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under dreams of scholarships that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, pay your tuition and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a whistle, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what playing time you think your kid is entitled to.

Parent: Did you order the unfair playing time?

MC: I did the job I...

Parent: Did you order the unfair playing time?

MC: You're Goddamn right I did!

Quite possibly the funniest post on here in a long time!

I have to admit that this post made me laugh.. Very funny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

overheard this conversation on the fields sunday -

Parent: *Coach Chanenchuck, did you order the team to and win and not play equal playing time?

Coach Lynott: You don't have to answer that question!

MC: I'll answer the question!

MC: You want answers?

Parent: I think I'm entitled to.

MC: You want answers?

Parent: I want the truth!

MC: You can't handle the truth!

MC: We live in a world that has fields, and those fields have to be guarded by men with lacrosse sticks. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Daddy Richpants? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the kids on the bench, and you curse the Express. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That unbalanced playing time, while tragic, probably wins games. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, you win games with the better players in the game. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that sideline, you need me on that sideline. We use words like equal, fair, fun. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent spoiling your kids. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under dreams of scholarships that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, pay your tuition and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a whistle, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what playing time you think your kid is entitled to.

Parent: Did you order the unfair playing time?

MC: I did the job I...

Parent: Did you order the unfair playing time?

MC: You're Goddamn right I did!

THIS IS BY FAR THE BEST READ YET!!!

THANK YOU

I have a solution for the kid who isn't getting playing time...
grow up to repeat 8th grade, then go into St Anthony's 1 year older than everybody else. Once you graduate, go to Prep School.
Once you are done with all of thisyou can then go to U. Maryland and red shirt a few times.
The result= your son will be 25 years old starting D1.

Enjoy the ride and keep paying $100 every year for tryouts!!!

The Express and other clubs are merely platforms for exposure. Plain and simple. The wins and losses mean nothing except maybe in the U15 national tournament. Otherwise, who wins is meaningless - the only time winning matters is with your high school team where you actually play for something meaningful like a state championship. Otherwise, the club's only purpose is to teach and provide exposure. End of story.

Enjoy the ride and keep paying $100 every year for tryouts!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enjoy the ride and keep paying $100 every year for tryouts!!!

You already said this above..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

overheard this conversation on the fields sunday -

Parent: *Coach Chanenchuck, did you order the team to and win and not play equal playing time?

Coach Lynott: You don't have to answer that question!

MC: I'll answer the question!

MC: You want answers?

Parent: I think I'm entitled to.

MC: You want answers?

Parent: I want the truth!

MC: You can't handle the truth!

MC: We live in a world that has fields, and those fields have to be guarded by men with lacrosse sticks. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Daddy Richpants? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the kids on the bench, and you curse the Express. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That unbalanced playing time, while tragic, probably wins games. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, you win games with the better players in the game. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that sideline, you need me on that sideline. We use words like equal, fair, fun. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent spoiling your kids. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under dreams of scholarships that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, pay your tuition and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a whistle, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what playing time you think your kid is entitled to.

Parent: Did you order the unfair playing time?

MC: I did the job I...

Parent: Did you order the unfair playing time?

MC: You're Goddamn right I did!

So funny an true. Sit back and enjoy the ride you MANIAC parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

overheard this conversation on the fields sunday -

Parent: *Coach Chanenchuck, did you order the team to and win and not play equal playing time?

Coach Lynott: You don't have to answer that question!

MC: I'll answer the question!

MC: You want answers?

Parent: I think I'm entitled to.

MC: You want answers?

Parent: I want the truth!

MC: You can't handle the truth!

MC: We live in a world that has fields, and those fields have to be guarded by men with lacrosse sticks. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Daddy Richpants? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the kids on the bench, and you curse the Express. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That unbalanced playing time, while tragic, probably wins games. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, you win games with the better players in the game. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that sideline, you need me on that sideline. We use words like equal, fair, fun. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent spoiling your kids. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under dreams of scholarships that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, pay your tuition and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a whistle, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what playing time you think your kid is entitled to.

Parent: Did you order the unfair playing time?

MC: I did the job I...

Parent: Did you order the unfair playing time?

MC: You're Goddamn right I did!

I love that movie!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

overheard this conversation on the fields sunday -

Parent: *Coach Chanenchuck, did you order the team to and win and not play equal playing time?

Coach Lynott: You don't have to answer that question!

MC: I'll answer the question!

MC: You want answers?

Parent: I think I'm entitled to.

MC: You want answers?

Parent: I want the truth!

MC: You can't handle the truth!

MC: We live in a world that has fields, and those fields have to be guarded by men with lacrosse sticks. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Daddy Richpants? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the kids on the bench, and you curse the Express. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That unbalanced playing time, while tragic, probably wins games. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, you win games with the better players in the game. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that sideline, you need me on that sideline. We use words like equal, fair, fun. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent spoiling your kids. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under dreams of scholarships that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, pay your tuition and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a whistle, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what playing time you think your kid is entitled to.

Parent: Did you order the unfair playing time?

MC: I did the job I...

Parent: Did you order the unfair playing time?

MC: You're Goddamn right I did!

This forum always makes me laugh but this, by far, is the funniest post.

Was Channy running in the election today?

Originally Posted by Connor Brosnahan

Originally Posted by Anonymous

overheard this conversation on the fields sunday -

Parent: *Coach Chanenchuck, did you order the team to and win and not play equal playing time?

Coach Lynott: You don't have to answer that question!

MC: I'll answer the question!

MC: You want answers?

Parent: I think I'm entitled to.

MC: You want answers?

Parent: I want the truth!

MC: You can't handle the truth!

MC: We live in a world that has fields, and those fields have to be guarded by men with lacrosse sticks. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Daddy Richpants? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the kids on the bench, and you curse the Express. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That unbalanced playing time, while tragic, probably wins games. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, you win games with the better players in the game. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that sideline, you need me on that sideline. We use words like equal, fair, fun. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent spoiling your kids. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under dreams of scholarships that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, pay your tuition and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a whistle, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what playing time you think your kid is entitled to.

Parent: Did you order the unfair playing time?

MC: I did the job I...

Parent: Did you order the unfair playing time?

MC: You're Goddamn right I did!

This forum always makes me laugh but this, by far, is the funniest post.

Big difference between the Colonel and the other guy,
the Colonel is not driven by $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Originally Posted by Connor Brosnahan

Originally Posted by Anonymous

overheard this conversation on the fields sunday -

Parent: *Coach Chanenchuck, did you order the team to and win and not play equal playing time?

Coach Lynott: You don't have to answer that question!

MC: I'll answer the question!

MC: You want answers?

Parent: I think I'm entitled to.

MC: You want answers?

Parent: I want the truth!

MC: You can't handle the truth!

MC: We live in a world that has fields, and those fields have to be guarded by men with lacrosse sticks. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Daddy Richpants? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the kids on the bench, and you curse the Express. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That unbalanced playing time, while tragic, probably wins games. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, you win games with the better players in the game. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that sideline, you need me on that sideline. We use words like equal, fair, fun. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent spoiling your kids. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under dreams of scholarships that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, pay your tuition and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a whistle, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what playing time you think your kid is entitled to.

Parent: Did you order the unfair playing time?

MC: I did the job I...

Parent: Did you order the unfair playing time?

MC: You're Goddamn right I did!

This forum always makes me laugh but this, by far, is the funniest post.

Good to know Mom.

Originally Posted by Connor Brosnahan

Originally Posted by Anonymous

overheard this conversation on the fields sunday -

Parent: *Coach Chanenchuck, did you order the team to and win and not play equal playing time?

Coach Lynott: You don't have to answer that question!

MC: I'll answer the question!

MC: You want answers?

Parent: I think I'm entitled to.

MC: You want answers?

Parent: I want the truth!

MC: You can't handle the truth!

MC: We live in a world that has fields, and those fields have to be guarded by men with lacrosse sticks. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Daddy Richpants? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the kids on the bench, and you curse the Express. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That unbalanced playing time, while tragic, probably wins games. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, you win games with the better players in the game. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that sideline, you need me on that sideline. We use words like equal, fair, fun. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent spoiling your kids. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under dreams of scholarships that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, pay your tuition and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a whistle, and stand on the sideline. Either way, I don't give a damn what playing time you think your kid is entitled to.

Parent: Did you order the unfair playing time?

MC: I did the job I...

Parent: Did you order the unfair playing time?

MC: You're Goddamn right I did!

This forum always makes me laugh but this, by far, is the funniest post.

This is the best post I have seen here. Very clever. Well done sir!

Channy doesn't care, period. If u complain, he'll make sure u never see the field. He doesn't care if he destroys a kid if he has his stars. No point in complaining, just move on.

Why does the "U15 national" mean anything??? Not all the best teams attend and even Express fielded uncommitted players and not necessarily the best. Some
of us said let's enjoy the downtime. And Channy never has that many words to say. Love the man immensely but he is a man of few words even when dealing with another obnoxious parent.

Channy does care. He just realizes there are a bunch of useless parents who berate him because they don't see the truth in their kids' abilities.

Wow. You are bitter. Have fun in life in all aspects. There is more to life than lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Channy does care. He just realizes there are a bunch of useless parents who berate him because they don't see the truth in their kids' abilities.

Either you carry his water or You must be his ball boy, loser.

Your the loser, upset your boy isn't up to your expectations, except it don't blame others

[quote=Anonymous]Channy does care. He just realizes there are a bunch of useless parents who berate him because they don't see the truth in their kids' abilities. [/quote

If the truth is they aren't good enough to play, then don't take their money!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They all paid the same amount of money. If the playing time was going to be unequal then that should be stated up front. There are lots of clubs that have a philosophy that wins and losses don't mean anything and that there will be equal time for all regardless of the score. Obviously, Express is not one of those clubs. In high school and college you can't expect equal playing time. But in the pay for play world, that should be the only way.

Not sure if you completely understand the Elite Travel lax world, do a little research on the Dukes website under questions: Look up playing time. Do the same for Leading Edge in NJ. Playing time at these top clubs is earned, not given. It's the way it works.

I seriously doubt that anybody in the travel lacrosse world thinks for a minute that playing time is going to be equal at this level, and particularly anybody that posts here on BOTC. If you come on this site more then once a year you know that playing time is not equal on Express or pretty much any other team.

Absolutely. Unless you are at a college showcase. Then winning is not the only objective. It's to give all the kids an opportunity to play in front of college coaches. The only person concerned with a win or a lose there are the clubs. It's a reflection on program if they win or lose , and that means dollars. Shouldn't drag kids to Maryland or Philadelphia to stay in hotels , have them write letters to college coaches letting them know they will be at showcase, and then not play them.

if your team wins then college coaches want to come and see that team play, if you have a few elite players then the college coaches will be at those games to see those kids and that can benefit all the kids that might not have had an opportunity to play in front of those coaches at all if they were not on an elite winning team. And if they are not getting a lot of reps it is because they probably are not ready to be seen by D1 coaches. playing in front of college coaches is not going to get you recruited, playing well in front of college coaches will.

Here is a completely hypothetical situation....lets say a random team (The Terps) have a great player (goalie) and ten colleges come to see him play because they all want him, you have a kid on that hypothetical team (the Terps) and your son gets to play in front of these same 10 coaches (HYP, UNC, Hop, Brown,Lehigh ect) that are there to see a one player (goalie) even if he only gets a few shifts that is more then he would have gotten in front of those coaches without that great player. Everybody on the team should be paying for that kids lunch because that kid has done more for your son then anybody else....hypothetically

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They all paid the same amount of money. If the playing time was going to be unequal then that should be stated up front. There are lots of clubs that have a philosophy that wins and losses don't mean anything and that there will be equal time for all regardless of the score. Obviously, Express is not one of those clubs. In high school and college you can't expect equal playing time. But in the pay for play world, that should be the only way.

Not sure if you completely understand the Elite Travel lax world, do a little research on the Dukes website under questions: Look up playing time. Do the same for Leading Edge in NJ. Playing time at these top clubs is earned, not given. It's the way it works.

I seriously doubt that anybody in the travel lacrosse world thinks for a minute that playing time is going to be equal at this level, and particularly anybody that posts here on BOTC. If you come on this site more then once a year you know that playing time is not equal on Express or pretty much any other team.

Absolutely. Unless you are at a college showcase. Then winning is not the only objective. It's to give all the kids an opportunity to play in front of college coaches. The only person concerned with a win or a lose there are the clubs. It's a reflection on program if they win or lose , and that means dollars. Shouldn't drag kids to Maryland or Philadelphia to stay in hotels , have them write letters to college coaches letting them know they will be at showcase, and then not play them.

Amen. It's unbelievably disappointing to let college coaches know your schedule ahead of time and not be given the chance to perform regardless of whether you play well or not at least be given the opportunity given the money paid. If not given the opportunity then don't take the money. Scam.

This is a double edged sword. Club owners like your fees, and can't charge $1500 for a few one day events and not play the paying customers. These are events where kids play 3x games with 20 min halves and that is barely enough for the college coaches to make any assessment on top players. Then that gets diluted when the club guys have to an extent get all the cattle through the field. It is toxic for the strong players getting diluted and hypocritical to the families of average players who are being sold fantasy of being an early recruit. This destroyed some great 2017 teams.

Some parents proposed to our ex-club rostering only 16 kids per team, and then just take two split up teams. All the kids can play until their tongues hit the carpet. Since these HS showcases are not about winning games it seems, that should work, right? Club owner said no way, then we'd have to put out two mediocre teams and coaches won't stay to watch and none of the families wanted to pay more dues to cover more teams entered into the events. Everyone unhappy, then people leave for another club and the cycle starts again. There are 2016 and 2017 kids who have played for 3-4 clubs in the past 2 years. Sorry to all the 2018 parents who are disappointed now. I wish I could say it gets better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]
Amen. It's unbelievably disappointing to let college coaches know your schedule ahead of time and not be given the chance to perform regardless of whether you play well or not at least be given the opportunity given the money paid. If not given the opportunity then don't take the money. Scam.

were you there and is you kid on the team or are you just posting random thoughts on a web site? A lot of the chatter has been about the Terps this past weekend, particularly the final game against the Crabs - The Crabs game was the fourth game of the day and there were hardly any coaches at that game. All the kids had plenty of opportunities to showcase their talents all day. If your kid is not getting significant playing time in a game with his club team he is probably not going to be an early recruit so relax already, still lots of showcases, tournaments and games left for all the boys to showcase, this is a marathon not a sprint.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your the loser, upset your boy isn't up to your expectations, except it don't blame others

thats it,always the parent and childs fault. run along now, youre a good little ball washer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your the loser, upset your boy isn't up to your expectations, except it don't blame others

Are you a seventh grader? It's you're, not "Your" and "accept", dim bulb.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Channy does care. He just realizes there are a bunch of useless parents who berate him because they don't see the truth in their kids' abilities.

"Useless" parents? Bet he doesn't think they are so useless when he is cashing their checks....A business that does not respect its customers will ultimately fail. Doesn't matter if you are selling lacrosse or running a dry cleaner. The fact that Express keeps chugging along makes me question whether these are isolated sour grapes.

its is your who is the dim bulb? you should stay off this site also..MORON

Originally Posted by Anonymous

its is your who is the dim bulb? you should stay off this site also..MORON

Nasty comments tend to have greater impact when contained in the form of a complete sentence. Try it sometime.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

its is your who is the dim bulb? you should stay off this site also..MORON

I gave you too much credit. I'm not even sure you're a 5th grade graduate. Can't you put a thought into sentence form, dummy? "its is your is", what ? hahahahahhahaahha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Channy does care. He just realizes there are a bunch of useless parents who berate him because they don't see the truth in their kids' abilities.

"Useless" parents? Bet he doesn't think they are so useless when he is cashing their checks....A business that does not respect its customers will ultimately fail. Doesn't matter if you are selling lacrosse or running a dry cleaner. The fact that Express keeps chugging along makes me question whether these are isolated sour grapes.

Not exactly. He just keeps churning through a new group of unaware consumers. I bet there are less than 20% of express customers (suckers) that stick with them for more than a 2-3 years. But there is always a new wave every year of more suckers with starry eyed fantasies that he can suck dry when the more experienced families have long exited the crime scene.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not exactly. He just keeps churning through a new group of unaware consumers. I bet there are less than 20% of express customers (suckers) that stick with them for more than a 2-3 years. But there is always a new wave every year of more suckers with starry eyed fantasies that he can suck dry when the more experienced families have long exited the crime scene.

I would disagree with this statement from my experience I only know my sons team but in the 4 years he has played on the team I can only think of a small handful that left on their own, most left when they were cut, I also find it so interesting that people only rip one director, granted he is the face of the organization but don't the other partners also cash checks? they must be willing partners but we never read about them on here, why is that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not exactly. He just keeps churning through a new group of unaware consumers. I bet there are less than 20% of express customers (suckers) that stick with them for more than a 2-3 years. But there is always a new wave every year of more suckers with starry eyed fantasies that he can suck dry when the more experienced families have long exited the crime scene.

I would disagree with this statement from my experience I only know my sons team but in the 4 years he has played on the team I can only think of a small handful that left on their own, most left when they were cut, I also find it so interesting that people only rip one director, granted he is the face of the organization but don't the other partners also cash checks? they must be willing partners but we never read about them on here, why is that?

Small handful ??? You must do stand up comedy.

Express FOGO to Penn State. congratulations kid!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express FOGO to Penn State. congratulations kid!

Well deserved.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express FOGO to Penn State. congratulations kid!

Great job! Nice program and coach!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]
Amen. It's unbelievably disappointing to let college coaches know your schedule ahead of time and not be given the chance to perform regardless of whether you play well or not at least be given the opportunity given the money paid. If not given the opportunity then don't take the money. Scam.

were you there and is you kid on the team or are you just posting random thoughts on a web site? A lot of the chatter has been about the Terps this past weekend, particularly the final game against the Crabs - The Crabs game was the fourth game of the day and there were hardly any coaches at that game. All the kids had plenty of opportunities to showcase their talents all day. If your kid is not getting significant playing time in a game with his club team he is probably not going to be an early recruit so relax already, still lots of showcases, tournaments and games left for all the boys to showcase, this is a marathon not a sprint.

What's the point of having a team of 23 or 24 at the club level if you're only going to play 13? It is just club. High school and college everybody accepts they have way more than they'll ever need but thats ok because its "free". But to only play 13 or 14 players on a roster of 24 who have all paid the same money doesn't make sense for any club - unles it's free.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express FOGO to Penn State. congratulations kid!

Great job! Nice program and coach!

which year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express FOGO to Penn State. congratulations kid!

Great job! Nice program and coach!

which year?

2018

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express FOGO to Penn State. congratulations kid!

Great job! Nice program and coach!

which year?

2018

What H S ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express FOGO to Penn State. congratulations kid!

Great job! Nice program and coach!

which year?

2018

What H S ?

If it's the Terps FoGo.....it is Ward Melville

Yes he is terps 2018 fogo and yes on Ward Melville.

Penn state locking up fogos interesting w rule changes

Three most important plays in lacrosse are FOGOs winning face off, goalie saves and goalie clears. Regardless of new rule you need the ball at X to win and you need a good ball stopper in the cage. Coaches prize those two spots more than all other. Attackmen and middies who are great athletes are abundant. Top FOGOs and keepers are rare.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Three most important plays in lacrosse are FOGOs winning face off, goalie saves and goalie clears. Regardless of new rule you need the ball at X to win and you need a good ball stopper in the cage. Coaches prize those two spots more than all other. Attackmen and middies who are great athletes are abundant. Top FOGOs and keepers are rare.

Wow, no love for the shutdown defenders or LSMs? Team game fella.

Of course it is a team game, but there is a relative scale. You think Duke was the best team in last two years because of anything besides face offs and goalie play? Cuse was on the way to beating them, and Notre Dame was clearly the deeper team in the finals last year but Duke was able to just hang on because of face off wins and goalie play. Duke had very little midfield depth and lost a key starter in the NCAA tournament and still got away with it. You think Bryant College beats Cuse in the dome without dominant face off and goalie play? Then look at UVa. They have had weak goalie play and so so X play since 2011 and can't win with #1 rated recruiting classes all over the field at other positions. UNC season fell apart last year when they had injuries at FOGO. It is silly to debate this. If you don't win face offs or make clears, you can't have possessions or win. If your goalie gives up 15 yard shots he can see or gives up rebounds all day you can't win. With a weak midfield or an iffy LSM card you can compensate. Recent NCAA champs proved it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Penn state locking up fogos interesting w rule changes

The rule change did not change the importance of the fogo. Best players are still excelling at x. Many have already shown that playing at tournaments with new rules.speculation from the haters turned out to be just that. Fogo will continue to be key recruited position!

Face off and get off - but what about the game of lacrosse? No question importance of fogos and thank goodness for goalies.

I don't disagree. But are safeties and nose guards valued the same as quarterbacks? Nope. Relative value.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course it is a team game, but there is a relative scale. You think Duke was the best team in last two years because of anything besides face offs and goalie play? Cuse was on the way to beating them, and Notre Dame was clearly the deeper team in the finals last year but Duke was able to just hang on because of face off wins and goalie play. Duke had very little midfield depth and lost a key starter in the NCAA tournament and still got away with it. You think Bryant College beats Cuse in the dome without dominant face off and goalie play? Then look at UVa. They have had weak goalie play and so so X play since 2011 and can't win with #1 rated recruiting classes all over the field at other positions. UNC season fell apart last year when they had injuries at FOGO. It is silly to debate this. If you don't win face offs or make clears, you can't have possessions or win. If your goalie gives up 15 yard shots he can see or gives up rebounds all day you can't win. With a weak midfield or an iffy LSM card you can compensate. Recent NCAA champs proved it.

Duke pulled goalies on multiple occasions in the NCAA's and two years ago started different goalie in the semi's and the finals because of poor play - if goalie was that important Penn St would have won a few titles by now - short sighted to not give more love the the entire team and thin that two players won them two titles - Duke won despite their goalies not because of them

Baloney, Luke Aaron was a beast last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course it is a team game, but there is a relative scale. You think Duke was the best team in last two years because of anything besides face offs and goalie play? Cuse was on the way to beating them, and Notre Dame was clearly the deeper team in the finals last year but Duke was able to just hang on because of face off wins and goalie play. Duke had very little midfield depth and lost a key starter in the NCAA tournament and still got away with it. You think Bryant College beats Cuse in the dome without dominant face off and goalie play? Then look at UVa. They have had weak goalie play and so so X play since 2011 and can't win with #1 rated recruiting classes all over the field at other positions. UNC season fell apart last year when they had injuries at FOGO. It is silly to debate this. If you don't win face offs or make clears, you can't have possessions or win. If your goalie gives up 15 yard shots he can see or gives up rebounds all day you can't win. With a weak midfield or an iffy LSM card you can compensate. Recent NCAA champs proved it.

Duke pulled goalies on multiple occasions in the NCAA's and two years ago started different goalie in the semi's and the finals because of poor play - if goalie was that important Penn St would have won a few titles by now - short sighted to not give more love the the entire team and thin that two players won them two titles - Duke won despite their goalies not because of them

Duke won cause of their fogo! Thanks alot Brendan, for being so damn good that all the other fogos are getting messed with now!

Back to lax. Terps won against madlax and sweet lax today. Lost to leading edge (good team sloppy game) by one. Without that fogo and gaolie they would have lost by 5...

Off to adrenaline tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baloney, Luke Aaron was a beast last year.

Luke Aaron last year with a 9.92 goals against average (28th in the nation) and a .505 save percentage (#38 in the nation) - not a beast, good keeper, not a beast.

those are not opinions, those are statistics

LI express north beat sweet lax 7 to 2 , headstrong 15 to 1, lost to dukes in OT 8 to 7

Did TERPS really loose EVERY game ? Looks like karma is
Kicking in MC. LOTS OF KARMA for you.

TERPS lost all games at adrenaline today. MC, karma is a [lacrosse]. Too bad u only had 18 kids. Where were ur other 20?

Terps lost 2 games all weekend, what are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TERPS lost all games at adrenaline today. MC, karma is a [lacrosse]. Too bad u only had 18 kids. Where were ur other 20?

That is a lie. Terps went 2-1 - beat up on LB3 and Mesa Fresh Fever and lost to West Coast Starz by 1.

Any scores from the games at hopkins today? Heard fca, 91, maybe express were there.

91 beat Crabs 8-6 and FCA 11-3.
FCA lost to Crabs 10-6.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TERPS lost all games at adrenaline today. MC, karma is a [lacrosse]. Too bad u only had 18 kids. Where were ur other 20?

That is a lie. Terps went 2-1 - beat up on LB3 and Mesa Fresh Fever and lost to West Coast Starz by 1.

How was playing time?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TERPS lost all games at adrenaline today. MC, karma is a [lacrosse]. Too bad u only had 18 kids. Where were ur other 20?

That is a lie. Terps went 2-1 - beat up on LB3 and Mesa Fresh Fever and lost to West Coast Starz by 1.

How was playing time?

playing time was great yesterday - all games started and ended on time with 23 minute running time halves. Same as most other tournaments why do you ask?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TERPS lost all games at adrenaline today. MC, karma is a [lacrosse]. Too bad u only had 18 kids. Where were ur other 20?

Too bad you are spreading bs - Terps went 4-2 over weekend.

Beat Madlax and Sweetlax lost to Leading Edge by 1 in the Big 4

Beat LB3 and Mesa Fresh lost to West Coast Starz by 1 in Adrenaline.

How did your team do?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 beat Crabs 8-6 and FCA 11-3.
FCA lost to Crabs 10-6.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 beat Crabs 8-6 and FCA 11-3.
FCA lost to Crabs 10-6.

Any 2018 team can beat another on any given day. The teams are that close. 91 is no better than Crabs and Express is no better than 91. They are all that good.

Sit back and enjoy some really good lacrosse in this bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TERPS lost all games at adrenaline today. MC, karma is a [lacrosse]. Too bad u only had 18 kids. Where were ur other 20?

That is a lie. Terps went 2-1 - beat up on LB3 and Mesa Fresh Fever and lost to West Coast Starz by 1.

How was playing time?

playing time was great yesterday - all games started and ended on time with 23 minute running time halves. Same as most other tournaments why do you ask?

Bad attempt at sarcasm?? Guess that answers question!

Sorry I was there yesterday 91 Extreme is far above any other team in the 2018 division

Crabs, FCA Express are one level down

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 beat Crabs 8-6 and FCA 11-3.
FCA lost to Crabs 10-6.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 beat Crabs 8-6 and FCA 11-3.
FCA lost to Crabs 10-6.

Any 2018 team can beat another on any given day. The teams are that close. 91 is no better than Crabs and Express is no better than 91. They are all that good.

Sit back and enjoy some really good lacrosse in this bracket.

"on any given day" is a platitude/rationalization you could apply to any competitive sport and is unprovable by definition. What's a fact are the actual scores on any given day, and that's why the games are played with referees, scoreboards and clocks. You can only talk about the games actually played, won and lost. 'any given day' games don't exist.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry I was there yesterday 91 Extreme is far above any other team in the 2018 division

Crabs, FCA Express are one level down

Hey 91 parent, give yourself a nice pat on the back...Far above any other team? I thought they tied NH Tomahawks last weekend?

Far and above as stated

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 beat Crabs 8-6 and FCA 11-3.
FCA lost to Crabs 10-6.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 beat Crabs 8-6 and FCA 11-3.
FCA lost to Crabs 10-6.

Any 2018 team can beat another on any given day. The teams are that close. 91 is no better than Crabs and Express is no better than 91. They are all that good.

Sit back and enjoy some really good lacrosse in this bracket.

"on any given day" is a platitude/rationalization you could apply to any competitive sport and is unprovable by definition. What's a fact are the actual scores on any given day, and that's why the games are played with referees, scoreboards and clocks. You can only talk about the games actually played, won and lost. 'any given day' games don't exist.

In the transient world that is Fall Recruiting circuit lacrosse the scores and winning and losing does not matter - rosters are different from week to week and even game to game with in a tournament - this is not a league or playoffs and while the teams play hard they do not play to win. In a "real" situation your best goalie would play the whole game, your starting attack and defense would play the 90% of the game and your first offensive middy's would play 70% of the game. In the Fall showcase circuit you have kids still playing Soccer and Football. FCA and WCS have different rosters every week 3D and Madlax have area teams and national teams and FCA puts teams together on a tournament by tournament basis as well as a lot of kids play on multiple teams. In a play to win at all cost tournament without concern for playing time and hurting feelings you have 8-10 really really good teams and on any given day any one could beat any other one. for my money if they all played to win, 91 is the best team but certainly not unbeatable.

IMHO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TERPS lost all games at adrenaline today. MC, karma is a [lacrosse]. Too bad u only had 18 kids. Where were ur other 20?

That is a lie. Terps went 2-1 - beat up on LB3 and Mesa Fresh Fever and lost to West Coast Starz by 1.

How was playing time?

playing time was great yesterday - all games started and ended on time with 23 minute running time halves. Same as most other tournaments why do you ask?

Bad attempt at sarcasm?? Guess that answers question!

Bad attempt at sarcasm?? Guess that answers question! [/quote]

please explain your obsession with the Terps playing time? former member trying to stir up trouble? former member trying to justify your decision to leave, did your daddy not hug you enough when you were a baby?

Why not go buy yourself a jar of vaseline and make better use of your time on the internet

I think most of us agree. It is just that one 91 parent that thinks his kid's team is on the same level as turtles are to 2017...

Overall a nice weekend for express and 91. we can all fight and argue back and forth but it is great to still see the power on LI ! Bodes well for all our children

Why not go buy yourself a jar of vaseline and make better use of your time on the internet [/quote]

So no good on the playing time?

Seem like a first class parent as well!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 beat Crabs 8-6 and FCA 11-3.
FCA lost to Crabs 10-6.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 beat Crabs 8-6 and FCA 11-3.
FCA lost to Crabs 10-6.

Any 2018 team can beat another on any given day. The teams are that close. 91 is no better than Crabs and Express is no better than 91. They are all that good.

Sit back and enjoy some really good lacrosse in this bracket.

"on any given day" is a platitude/rationalization you could apply to any competitive sport and is unprovable by definition. What's a fact are the actual scores on any given day, and that's why the games are played with referees, scoreboards and clocks. You can only talk about the games actually played, won and lost. 'any given day' games don't exist.

In the transient world that is Fall Recruiting circuit lacrosse the scores and winning and losing does not matter - rosters are different from week to week and even game to game with in a tournament - this is not a league or playoffs and while the teams play hard they do not play to win. In a "real" situation your best goalie would play the whole game, your starting attack and defense would play the 90% of the game and your first offensive middy's would play 70% of the game. In the Fall showcase circuit you have kids still playing Soccer and Football. FCA and WCS have different rosters every week 3D and Madlax have area teams and national teams and FCA puts teams together on a tournament by tournament basis as well as a lot of kids play on multiple teams. In a play to win at all cost tournament without concern for playing time and hurting feelings you have 8-10 really really good teams and on any given day any one could beat any other one. for my money if they all played to win, 91 is the best team but certainly not unbeatable.

IMHO

You make an interesting point, but I think it's a stretch to say that winning and losing doesn't matter in these Fall recruiting games. It is safe to say that it mattered to the players, coaches and parents of the Crabs, FCA Blue and 91, who all wanted to go 2-0 yesterday at JHU, but you are right as it pertains to playing time and getting everybody on the field - from what I could tell, all three teams were using their full rosters. Last weekend, there were coaches who didn't take certain players from certain teams off the field at Legacy. The issues coaches deal with in winning versus equal playing time seem to be the same in the Fall, only magnified because of the added layer of recruiting anxiety, as evidenced on this thread earlier.

Great event at Harvard this weekend as well:

3d Tri State vs Top Gun Fighting clams AA awesome game ended in 6-6 tie. Great game, a few big D1 coaches on the sidelines. Both of those teams will compete with anyone.

did anyone go to the recruiting event at St Johns last night? Was it any good? (and to beat them to it, I know Terps and Extreme parents it couldn't have been because you all were away)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You make an interesting point, but I think it's a stretch to say that winning and losing doesn't matter in these Fall recruiting games. It is safe to say that it mattered to the players, coaches and parents of the Crabs, FCA Blue and 91, who all wanted to go 2-0 yesterday at JHU,

Q1 - your team played great all weekend and were 6-0 but your son's coach did not get a call from a single coach about your son, was it a good weekend?

Q2 - your team was over matched and went 2-4 on the weekend but your sons coach got 4 calls from D1 schools about your son. Was it a good weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You make an interesting point, but I think it's a stretch to say that winning and losing doesn't matter in these Fall recruiting games. It is safe to say that it mattered to the players, coaches and parents of the Crabs, FCA Blue and 91, who all wanted to go 2-0 yesterday at JHU,

Q1 - your team played great all weekend and were 6-0 but your son's coach did not get a call from a single coach about your son, was it a good weekend?

Q2 - your team was over matched and went 2-4 on the weekend but your sons coach got 4 calls from D1 schools about your son. Was it a good weekend?

Hmmm, your questions are so challenging and thought provoking...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You make an interesting point, but I think it's a stretch to say that winning and losing doesn't matter in these Fall recruiting games. It is safe to say that it mattered to the players, coaches and parents of the Crabs, FCA Blue and 91, who all wanted to go 2-0 yesterday at JHU,

Q1 - your team played great all weekend and were 6-0 but your son's coach did not get a call from a single coach about your son, was it a good weekend?

Q2 - your team was over matched and went 2-4 on the weekend but your sons coach got 4 calls from D1 schools about your son. Was it a good weekend?

Hmmm, your questions are so challenging and thought provoking...

I think most parents would want scenario number 2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You make an interesting point, but I think it's a stretch to say that winning and losing doesn't matter in these Fall recruiting games. It is safe to say that it mattered to the players, coaches and parents of the Crabs, FCA Blue and 91, who all wanted to go 2-0 yesterday at JHU,

Q1 - your team played great all weekend and were 6-0 but your son's coach did not get a call from a single coach about your son, was it a good weekend?

Q2 - your team was over matched and went 2-4 on the weekend but your sons coach got 4 calls from D1 schools about your son. Was it a good weekend?

Hmmm, your questions are so challenging and thought provoking...

I think most parents would want scenario number 2

Yes but coaches go to see hot teams. A match up of two very good teams has more potential recruits.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You make an interesting point, but I think it's a stretch to say that winning and losing doesn't matter in these Fall recruiting games. It is safe to say that it mattered to the players, coaches and parents of the Crabs, FCA Blue and 91, who all wanted to go 2-0 yesterday at JHU,

Q1 - your team played great all weekend and were 6-0 but your son's coach did not get a call from a single coach about your son, was it a good weekend?

Q2 - your team was over matched and went 2-4 on the weekend but your sons coach got 4 calls from D1 schools about your son. Was it a good weekend?

Hmmm, your questions are so challenging and thought provoking...

I think most parents would want scenario number 2

See 2017 thread..... Seems 91's 2017 team didn't win many games at all last summer and they have 12 D1 commits. I guess the posters questions are right on target!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You make an interesting point, but I think it's a stretch to say that winning and losing doesn't matter in these Fall recruiting games. It is safe to say that it mattered to the players, coaches and parents of the Crabs, FCA Blue and 91, who all wanted to go 2-0 yesterday at JHU,

Q1 - your team played great all weekend and were 6-0 but your son's coach did not get a call from a single coach about your son, was it a good weekend?

Q2 - your team was over matched and went 2-4 on the weekend but your sons coach got 4 calls from D1 schools about your son. Was it a good weekend?

Hmmm, your questions are so challenging and thought provoking...

I think most parents would want scenario number 2

This line of the thread started Monday with the 'on any given day' statement. The writer posed that winning didn't matter, because on any given day the teams that played in PA and MD over the weekend could beat each other. That's a very different point (and one usually put forth by the losing side), than whether recruiting success is more important that winning or losing, which is where the thread has morphed to now. The answers to the questions above are blindingly obvious, but not the point - noone is going to argue them.

Congrats to Brady, Express on commit to JHU.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Brady, Express on commit to JHU.

Great kid and great family! Well deserved.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Brady, Express on commit to JHU.

Great kid and great family! Well deserved.

that makes three for express

Congratulations Brady!!!! That is awesome.. well deserved ... GO HOP!!!

How did the 2018 teams do this weekend? 91 Extreme and Express Terps were off - but a bunch of other locals played - fl$, Jesters, Outlaws, etc? How did you all do?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the 2018 teams do this weekend? 91 Extreme and Express Terps were off - but a bunch of other locals played - fl$, Jesters, Outlaws, etc? How did you all do?

Jesters went 3 and 0 at Uplax.

Went 1, 1 and 1 at fl$ in 3D.

Lost to Sweetlax
Tied 3D Colorado in OT
Beat fl$

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the 2018 teams do this weekend? 91 Extreme and Express Terps were off - but a bunch of other locals played - fl$, Jesters, Outlaws, etc? How did you all do?

Jesters went 3 and 0 at Uplax.

Went 1, 1 and 1 at fl$ in 3D.

Lost to Sweetlax
Tied 3D Colorado in OT
Beat fl$

Nicely done. If not mistaken, Jesters take the first win in a matchup of Long Island teams

Outlaws went 0&3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaws went 0&3

Ouch who did the Outlaws play?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the 2018 teams do this weekend? 91 Extreme and Express Terps were off - but a bunch of other locals played - fl$, Jesters, Outlaws, etc? How did you all do?

Jesters went 3 and 0 at Uplax.

Went 1, 1 and 1 at fl$ in 3D.

Lost to Sweetlax
Tied 3D Colorado in OT
Beat fl$

Nicely done. If not mistaken, Jesters take the first win in a matchup of Long Island teams

Who did jesters Play at Uplax?

True Illinois
757 from VA
Champion Elite from Buffalo

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaws went 0&3

Ouch who did the Outlaws play?

Who did outlaws play?

VLC, Leading Edge and Breakers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC, Leading Edge and Breakers

At 3D?

Autumn Classic in Maryland

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Autumn Classic in Maryland

So the Outlaws went 0 and 6 for the weekend??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Autumn Classic in Maryland

So the Outlaws went 0 and 6 for the weekend??

Actually 0-5-1. They tied a game at fl$

Wow
Not very good showing
They better get better real fast I think they are playing in Philly showcase

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Autumn Classic in Maryland

So the Outlaws went 0 and 6 for the weekend??

Actually 0-5-1. They tied a game at fl$

Missing a lot of their top kids team will be OK next summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Autumn Classic in Maryland

So the Outlaws went 0 and 6 for the weekend??

Actually 0-5-1. They tied a game at fl$

Missing a lot of their top kids team will be OK next summer

32 kids on the roster and all the good kids were busy?

Mixed team, they were competitive in all the games, fall tournaments are tough

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mixed team, they were competitive in all the games, fall tournaments are tough

Fall tournaments are but typically recruiting tournaments aren't hard to get the players to. Figured they would be fighting for chance to play in front of college coaches. How many players did they have?

You had your core 12 there?
what do you mean missing a lot of kids?
did you bring the wrong bottom 12?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Autumn Classic in Maryland

So the Outlaws went 0 and 6 for the weekend??

Actually 0-5-1. They tied a game at fl$

Missing a lot of their top kids team will be OK next summer

Seems you are in the know. Which top players were missing? From what I heard all their top players were there except for the faceoff kid who plays for Sweetlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Autumn Classic in Maryland

So the Outlaws went 0 and 6 for the weekend??

Actually 0-5-1. They tied a game at fl$

Missing a lot of their top kids team will be OK next summer

Seems you are in the know. Which top players were missing? From what I heard all their top players were there except for the faceoff kid who plays for Sweetlax.

How does outlaws face off guy play for a team from upstate ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Autumn Classic in Maryland

So the Outlaws went 0 and 6 for the weekend??

Actually 0-5-1. They tied a game at fl$

Missing a lot of their top kids team will be OK next summer

Seems you are in the know. Which top players were missing? From what I heard all their top players were there except for the faceoff kid who plays for Sweetlax.

How does outlaws face off guy play for a team from upstate ?

The same way a bunch of other elite long island players do. Sweetlax recruits heavily from this area, their 2016 team features several express players and top li fogo as well. They field very good teams, are tight with recruiting and best of all, no drama!

Sweetlax has players from all over not just upstate.

No drama? Your kid obviously didn't play on the 2018 team. Interesting group of parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No drama? Your kid obviously didn't play on the 2018 team. Interesting group of parents.

Which team are you referring?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Autumn Classic in Maryland

So the Outlaws went 0 and 6 for the weekend??

Actually 0-5-1. They tied a game at fl$

Missing a lot of their top kids team will be OK next summer

Seems you are in the know. Which top players were missing? From what I heard all their top players were there except for the faceoff kid who plays for Sweetlax.

Not having that fogo is a big loss - he dominates

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You had your core 12 there?
what do you mean missing a lot of kids?
did you bring the wrong bottom 12?

There were some top players there, who did very well individually, just ask the college coaches that stayed for entire games to watch them and take notes. Others were not there.

Seems you are in the know. Which top players were missing? From what I heard all their top players were there except for the faceoff kid who plays for Sweetlax. [/quote]

Not having that fogo is a big loss - he dominates [/quote]

FOGO was very good on sweetlax, I would not say dominating. Probably little over 50 percent in the two games I saw. He's on outlaws and sweetlax?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You had your core 12 there?
what do you mean missing a lot of kids?
did you bring the wrong bottom 12?

There were some top players there, who did very well individually, just ask the college coaches that stayed for entire games to watch them and take notes. Others were not there.

If that's how you get through it!

Do you think maybe the coaches were watching and taking notes on the team that was beating you?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems you are in the know. Which top players were missing? From what I heard all their top players were there except for the faceoff kid who plays for Sweetlax.

Not having that fogo is a big loss - he dominates [/quote]

FOGO was very good on sweetlax, I would not say dominating. Probably little over 50 percent in the two games I saw. He's on outlaws and sweetlax? [/quote]

Yes the FOGO plays for both Sweetlax and Outlaws Black. He will alternate tournaments between the two. Having him would have really helped with possession and would have made a difference in some games. There were a lot of coaches on the sidelines at fl$ in 3D on Saturday when the team played. Results might not have been what team wanted but exposure was great. This team will be fine come spring. Plenty of talent. Good luck to all Outlaws Black players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems you are in the know. Which top players were missing? From what I heard all their top players were there except for the faceoff kid who plays for Sweetlax.

Not having that fogo is a big loss - he dominates [/quote]

FOGO was very good on sweetlax, I would not say dominating. Probably little over 50 percent in the two games I saw. He's on outlaws and sweetlax? [/quote]

Yes, he is one of many top LI players moonlighting for Sweetlax, probably because in many cases they have better teams and kids play on scholarships.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You had your core 12 there?
what do you mean missing a lot of kids?
did you bring the wrong bottom 12?

There were some top players there, who did very well individually, just ask the college coaches that stayed for entire games to watch them and take notes. Others were not there.

If that's how you get through it!

Do you think maybe the coaches were watching and taking notes on the team that was beating you?

Again you take a shot at the team. When coaches are on the sidelines watching they will notice talent. If you don't understand that a good player will shine regardless if his team wins or looses you have no idea about talent and the recruiting process. So you think playing in front of 10 college coaches and your team might lose is a bad thing? Outlaws are playing in the right tournaments and getting their players exposure. That is the name of the game right now. Playing in Philly Freshmen this weekend. So far have played in all the top recruiting events this fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You had your core 12 there?
what do you mean missing a lot of kids?
did you bring the wrong bottom 12?

There were some top players there, who did very well individually, just ask the college coaches that stayed for entire games to watch them and take notes. Others were not there.

If that's how you get through it!

Do you think maybe the coaches were watching and taking notes on the team that was beating you?

Again you take a shot at the team. When coaches are on the sidelines watching they will notice talent. If you don't understand that a good player will shine regardless if his team wins or looses you have no idea about talent and the recruiting process. So you think playing in front of 10 college coaches and your team might lose is a bad thing? Outlaws are playing in the right tournaments and getting their players exposure. That is the name of the game right now. Playing in Philly Freshmen this weekend. So far have played in all the top recruiting events this fall.

Some of your players will be in Philly Showcase this week. Not all. Could not agree more about the coaches if you lose a 7 6 game. If you lose 11 2, unfortunately, your attack is not getting a very good look. If you dominate a game as well, no good looks for goalie and defense. You want competitive games against the best teams.

Ind showcase last week for 2017 and 2016 had 15 Outlaws in It
This week like 6-7
Thats petty good -

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You had your core 12 there?
what do you mean missing a lot of kids?
did you bring the wrong bottom 12?

There were some top players there, who did very well individually, just ask the college coaches that stayed for entire games to watch them and take notes. Others were not there.

If that's how you get through it!

Do you think maybe the coaches were watching and taking notes on the team that was beating you?

Again you take a shot at the team. When coaches are on the sidelines watching they will notice talent. If you don't understand that a good player will shine regardless if his team wins or looses you have no idea about talent and the recruiting process. So you think playing in front of 10 college coaches and your team might lose is a bad thing? Outlaws are playing in the right tournaments and getting their players exposure. That is the name of the game right now. Playing in Philly Freshmen this weekend. So far have played in all the top recruiting events this fall.

Some of your players will be in Philly Showcase this week. Not all. Could not agree more about the coaches if you lose a 7 6 game. If you lose 11 2, unfortunately, your attack is not getting a very good look. If you dominate a game as well, no good looks for goalie and defense. You want competitive games against the best teams.

At fl$ this past Saturday the team played well and all games were within reach. Those that were there will tell you that there were more college coaches at the event on Saturday than Sunday. Scores were 9-4, 5-5, and 7-4. Those are pretty tight games against some pretty decent teams like BBL Black, Triad Elite of NC, and 3D Oregon. There were plenty of coaches on the sidelines watching these games. Happy to say that my son was there and played well. Were some of the college teams we contacted to let them know he was playing there, Yes. Was I happy with his play, Yes. Did the team win every game, No. Did the team play well enough to have a few players noticed, Yes. Cant win them all but playing in great tournaments and getting exposure is what this year is about. A

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You had your core 12 there?
what do you mean missing a lot of kids?
did you bring the wrong bottom 12?

There were some top players there, who did very well individually, just ask the college coaches that stayed for entire games to watch them and take notes. Others were not there.

If that's how you get through it!

Do you think maybe the coaches were watching and taking notes on the team that was beating you?

Again you take a shot at the team. When coaches are on the sidelines watching they will notice talent. If you don't understand that a good player will shine regardless if his team wins or looses you have no idea about talent and the recruiting process. So you think playing in front of 10 college coaches and your team might lose is a bad thing? Outlaws are playing in the right tournaments and getting their players exposure. That is the name of the game right now. Playing in Philly Freshmen this weekend. So far have played in all the top recruiting events this fall.

Some of your players will be in Philly Showcase this week. Not all. Could not agree more about the coaches if you lose a 7 6 game. If you lose 11 2, unfortunately, your attack is not getting a very good look. If you dominate a game as well, no good looks for goalie and defense. You want competitive games against the best teams.

Thanks for the advice. Really appreciate it. If your son isn't on the team, then don't worry yourself. What team does your son play for?

Which 10 players are not going to philly showcase?

That makes no sense the deeper you go in a tournament the more games you play. The more collage coaches will see you. The championship game would be the game I would go to if I was a collage coach

Terps. Your welcome.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That makes no sense the deeper you go in a tournament the more games you play. The more collage coaches will see you. The championship game would be the game I would go to if I was a collage coach

Many coaches already know who they are going to look at before they go to a tournament. On Sunday there were very few to no coaches at the events regular games. That is what I was told by many parents. On Saturday there were many coaches lining the fields of the fl$ in 3D event. Doesn't make sense but that's the way it unfolded. There were at least 5 to 6 coaches on the sideline of every Outlaws game on Saturday. If they were there to see an Outlaws player or a player from the team they were playing they were still there. Outlaws players still had exposure in some very tight games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps. Your welcome.

You make some valid points Terps parent. There is a poster who was saying that Outlaws Black were not competitive. That is far from the truth. Played some really good teams this weekend at fl$ and were in every game as I posted a few posts above. We played the same Leading Edge Team you lost to from what I recall by 1 in overtime. We lost to them 9-4 in the Autumn Classic. Not that bad. Our team has made many new additions and players are getting used to playing with each other. This will take time and practice. Every player new or established on the team plays and contributes. This is far from the norm I have seen at many of the top programs.

As some have stated we do have a large roster of 32. This was known before anyone signed on and many made the choice to play on Outlaws because of the A la carte summer schedule. Reason for this is there are many players who also play for their high school teams and will need to commit some weekends to them. It wont always be the same players missing every weekend so the player mix will change weekly at events. As an Outlaws parent I am very happy with the tournaments my son has been chosen to play in this fall. The exposure has been great. So to the naysayers: we know what we signed on for and so far are very happy. Please worry about your team and not ours. We can handle our successes and failures just fine. We look forward to playing the best teams and getting better with every tournament. We may win some and lose some but will do it with dignity and pride. There will be no excuses from this parent. Good luck to all. Hope everyone's dream of playing lacrosse in college is achieved. May it be DI, DII, or DIII.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps. Your welcome.

Ok thanks, makes all the sense in the world now. Do yourself a favor, and worry about your own son and his team's issues, if you go to the Express thread it appears there are many for you to concern yourself with. I assure you, neither you, your son, nor his team are of any concern to me or my son in any way. Good luck to your son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps. Your welcome.

Ok thanks, makes all the sense in the world now. Do yourself a favor, and worry about your own son and his team's issues, if you go to the Express thread it appears there are many for you to concern yourself with. I assure you, neither you, your son, nor his team are of any concern to me or my son in any way. Good luck to your son.

Then why did you ask what team? Nothing I posted was unique to your son's team and can not be disputed. It was all facts!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You had your core 12 there?
what do you mean missing a lot of kids?
did you bring the wrong bottom 12?

There were some top players there, who did very well individually, just ask the college coaches that stayed for entire games to watch them and take notes. Others were not there.

If that's how you get through it!

Do you think maybe the coaches were watching and taking notes on the team that was beating you?

Again you take a shot at the team. When coaches are on the sidelines watching they will notice talent. If you don't understand that a good player will shine regardless if his team wins or looses you have no idea about talent and the recruiting process. So you think playing in front of 10 college coaches and your team might lose is a bad thing? Outlaws are playing in the right tournaments and getting their players exposure. That is the name of the game right now. Playing in Philly Freshmen this weekend. So far have played in all the top recruiting events this fall.

Some of your players will be in Philly Showcase this week. Not all. Could not agree more about the coaches if you lose a 7 6 game. If you lose 11 2, unfortunately, your attack is not getting a very good look. If you dominate a game as well, no good looks for goalie and defense. You want competitive games against the best teams.

Thanks for the advice. Really appreciate it. If your son isn't on the team, then don't worry yourself. What team does your son play for?

A little sensitive - no? The poster was not criticizing the Outlaws just stating facts that apply across the board. He is right that no team is sendig every player to the Philly Showcase - not even the Extreme.

Wouldn't it be great to have someone put together a local Long Island tournament? My invite list to such a tournament would be:

91 Extreme
Express Terps
TLI U-15
fl$
Jesters
Outlaws
91 Orange
Express Wolverines

My bet is there would be some great lax and the boys would have a lot of fun playing against their buddies and classmates.

Of course, this will never happen.

List of the top 2018 clubs IMHO, in no particular order.

91 Extreme
Express Terps
Jesters
Sweetlax
Dukes/HHH
Crabs
3d Colorado
3d Tri State
Madlax Capital
Team LI
Leading Edge
Top Gun Clams
FCA

Feel free to add, just my opinion from watching fall lax. Please lets have some fun with this.

3 select Oregon did not win a game on Sunday playing A division on Sunday
So how could outlaws state they were playing good teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

List of the top 2018 clubs IMHO, in no particular order.

91 Extreme
Express Terps
Jesters
Sweetlax
Dukes/HHH
Crabs
3d Colorado
3d Tri State
Madlax Capital
Team LI
Leading Edge
Top Gun Clams
FCA

Feel free to add, just my opinion from watching fall lax. Please lets have some fun with this.

What team on this list have jesters ever beat??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

List of the top 2018 clubs IMHO, in no particular order.

91 Extreme
Express Terps
Jesters
Sweetlax
Dukes/HHH
Crabs
3d Colorado
3d Tri State
Madlax Capital
Team LI
Leading Edge
Top Gun Clams
FCA

Feel free to add, just my opinion from watching fall lax. Please lets have some fun with this.

It's insane to have the Jesters on that list. The 2018 Vipers are a better team than the jesters and they don't belong on this list either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

List of the top 2018 clubs IMHO, in no particular order.

91 Extreme
Express Terps
Jesters
Sweetlax
Dukes/HHH
Crabs
3d Colorado
3d Tri State
Madlax Capital
Team LI
Leading Edge
Top Gun Clams
FCA

Feel free to add, just my opinion from watching fall lax. Please lets have some fun with this.

What team on this list have jesters ever beat??

Not sure who theyve beat or who they havent. I saw them this weekend at fl$ in 3d and they played some very good teams pretty tough. Again its just a list to have some fun with

Originally Posted by Anonymous

List of the top 2018 clubs IMHO, in no particular order.

91 Extreme
Express Terps
Jesters
Sweetlax
Dukes/HHH
Crabs
3d Colorado
3d Tri State
Madlax Capital
Team LI
Leading Edge
Top Gun Clams
FCA

Feel free to add, just my opinion from watching fall lax. Please lets have some fun with this.

tough to have FCA and Sweetlax on the list since so many of their kids play with other teams also on that list - is team LI a 2018 team or a U15 team? I would put Laxachusetts on that list and the jesters do not belong......IMHO

Real Question.

My son was asked by a D1 College to come to the school for an official visit. What are some of the do's and don'ts that I should be aware of? I am new to this so I wanted to get some good advice. Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

List of the top 2018 clubs IMHO, in no particular order.

91 Extreme
Express Terps
Jesters
Sweetlax
Dukes/HHH
Crabs
3d Colorado
3d Tri State
Madlax Capital
Team LI
Leading Edge
Top Gun Clams
FCA

Feel free to add, just my opinion from watching fall lax. Please lets have some fun with this.

Express North 2018? Lost in OT to Dukes at Big 4 / Chanpions League Event

Originally Posted by Anonymous

List of the top 2018 clubs IMHO, in no particular order.

91 Extreme
Express Terps
Jesters
Sweetlax
Dukes/HHH
Crabs
3d Colorado
3d Tri State
Madlax Capital
Team LI
Leading Edge
Top Gun Clams
FCA

Feel free to add, just my opinion from watching fall lax. Please lets have some fun with this.

What team on this list have jesters ever beat??

Tied 3d Colorado last week 5 5
Lost to Sweetlax last week 8 4

Only two on this list they have played this year.

They were 4 and 2 in Hofstra and Rutgers in Varsity Brackets

They were 4 1 and 1 in 2017/18 brackets last weekend

Thought records and lists don't matter anymore? lol

They have had 4 great weeks of lacrosse!! Lotta visibility and great experience. Feel free to remove them from your list if you like!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 select Oregon did not win a game on Sunday playing A division on Sunday
So how could outlaws state they were playing good teams?

Because they were also playing very good teams. If you happen to be playing elite teams you might not win. Be competitive. They played Annapolis Hawks, 3D Colorado, and fl$. I would say their competition was pretty good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

List of the top 2018 clubs IMHO, in no particular order.

91 Extreme
Express Terps
Jesters
Sweetlax
Dukes/HHH
Crabs
3d Colorado
3d Tri State
Madlax Capital
Team LI
Leading Edge
Top Gun Clams
FCA

Feel free to add, just my opinion from watching fall lax. Please lets have some fun with this.

Laxachussets Black, BBL Black, Breakers, Edge Canada, Express North, Tomahawks, Patriots

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Real Question.

My son was asked by a D1 College to come to the school for an official visit. What are some of the do's and don'ts that I should be aware of? I am new to this so I wanted to get some good advice. Thanks

unofficial visit, you can not do an official visit until senior year. parents stay in the background, they want to get to know the kid, the parent should be seen and not heard (ironic) the kid should have some questions about academic programs what his interests are and he should know a little about the lacrosse history as well as familiarize himself about the coaching staff, read the bio's, know where they played in college ect. you might want to impress a coach by how much you love his school by saying you would never go to X school and turns out the assistant coach went to X school.

NH Tomahawks beat Terps, tied Extreme and beat Clams 15-3

Jesters beat fl$, and should've beaten 3d Colorado. They can compete this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

List of the top 2018 clubs IMHO, in no particular order.

91 Extreme
Express Terps
Jesters
Sweetlax
Dukes/HHH
Crabs
3d Colorado
3d Tri State
Madlax Capital
Team LI
Leading Edge
Top Gun Clams
FCA

Feel free to add, just my opinion from watching fall lax. Please lets have some fun with this.

It's insane to have the Jesters on that list. The 2018 Vipers are a better team than the jesters and they don't belong on this list either.

Vipers???? That is funniest thing ever written here. Jesters improved a lot from last year and competed with or beat a bunch of real teams in fall. Did not see vipers anywhere!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Real Question.

My son was asked by a D1 College to come to the school for an official visit. What are some of the do's and don'ts that I should be aware of? I am new to this so I wanted to get some good advice. Thanks

unofficial visit, you can not do an official visit until senior year. parents stay in the background, they want to get to know the kid, the parent should be seen and not heard (ironic) the kid should have some questions about academic programs what his interests are and he should know a little about the lacrosse history as well as familiarize himself about the coaching staff, read the bio's, know where they played in college ect. you might want to impress a coach by how much you love his school by saying you would never go to X school and turns out the assistant coach went to X school.

I have been on a few of these unofficial visits with mine and I have found that because these kids are so young, coaches spent a lot of time asking questions of him about our family. Also spent a lot of time asking us parents about our family.

I also asked a ton of questions and wound up spending a few hours with several coaches. Unlike poster above, I was told it was very refreshing and one of the reasons they wanted (more than one school) my son was the amount of concern we exhibited by the questions we asked. Coach went as far as telling us that he appreciated us because most people don't ask anything...they sit in the background.

How can a parent be serious about verbally committing their kid at 14 if they don't ask a ton of questions--real questions--

It worked for us and we took one of the early offers. I can't tell you what to do, but I suggest you are very engaged and don't just stay in the background. That might be the right approach for an 11th grader, but for a 2018, I needed to be comfortable first, its my kid...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 select Oregon did not win a game on Sunday playing A division on Sunday
So how could outlaws state they were playing good teams?

Because they were also playing very good teams. If you happen to be playing elite teams you might not win. Be competitive. They played Annapolis Hawks, 3D Colorado, and fl$. I would say their competition was pretty good.

So the Jesters beat fl$ and tied 3D Colorado but they aren't good, but 3D Oregon loses to same teams and they are Elite team? How does that work?

Terp parent, for Jesters team, i think you were competing very well last year. Look forward to another scrimmage with your team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Real Question.

My son was asked by a D1 College to come to the school for an official visit. What are some of the do's and don'ts that I should be aware of? I am new to this so I wanted to get some good advice. Thanks

unofficial visit, you can not do an official visit until senior year. parents stay in the background, they want to get to know the kid, the parent should be seen and not heard (ironic) the kid should have some questions about academic programs what his interests are and he should know a little about the lacrosse history as well as familiarize himself about the coaching staff, read the bio's, know where they played in college ect. you might want to impress a coach by how much you love his school by saying you would never go to X school and turns out the assistant coach went to X school.

I have been on a few of these unofficial visits with mine and I have found that because these kids are so young, coaches spent a lot of time asking questions of him about our family. Also spent a lot of time asking us parents about our family.

I also asked a ton of questions and wound up spending a few hours with several coaches. Unlike poster above, I was told it was very refreshing and one of the reasons they wanted (more than one school) my son was the amount of concern we exhibited by the questions we asked. Coach went as far as telling us that he appreciated us because most people don't ask anything...they sit in the background.

How can a parent be serious about verbally committing their kid at 14 if they don't ask a ton of questions--real questions--

It worked for us and we took one of the early offers. I can't tell you what to do, but I suggest you are very engaged and don't just stay in the background. That might be the right approach for an 11th grader, but for a 2018, I needed to be comfortable first, its my kid...

What questions did you ask?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Real Question.

My son was asked by a D1 College to come to the school for an official visit. What are some of the do's and don'ts that I should be aware of? I am new to this so I wanted to get some good advice. Thanks

unofficial visit, you can not do an official visit until senior year. parents stay in the background, they want to get to know the kid, the parent should be seen and not heard (ironic) the kid should have some questions about academic programs what his interests are and he should know a little about the lacrosse history as well as familiarize himself about the coaching staff, read the bio's, know where they played in college ect. you might want to impress a coach by how much you love his school by saying you would never go to X school and turns out the assistant coach went to X school.

I have been on a few of these unofficial visits with mine and I have found that because these kids are so young, coaches spent a lot of time asking questions of him about our family. Also spent a lot of time asking us parents about our family.

I also asked a ton of questions and wound up spending a few hours with several coaches. Unlike poster above, I was told it was very refreshing and one of the reasons they wanted (more than one school) my son was the amount of concern we exhibited by the questions we asked. Coach went as far as telling us that he appreciated us because most people don't ask anything...they sit in the background.

How can a parent be serious about verbally committing their kid at 14 if they don't ask a ton of questions--real questions--

It worked for us and we took one of the early offers. I can't tell you what to do, but I suggest you are very engaged and don't just stay in the background. That might be the right approach for an 11th grader, but for a 2018, I needed to be comfortable first, its my kid...

What questions did you ask?

Academic requirements and expectations, study hall mandate?-tutor availability, help scheduling classes (at one school a coach actually said pre-med would be tough because lots of labs scheduled when they practice), team expectations and time commitment, monitoring of after hours activities--do the boys run wild?, coach's long term plans, living arrangements, ...the list goes on. I asked everything I thought I needed to know to make sure my boy would be in good hands and have the best opportunity to get the highest education possible all while balancing lax. Coaches were all very honest and up front.

We loved all the schools, but some coaches were better and more in line with my fam expectations...

Great information.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Real Question.

My son was asked by a D1 College to come to the school for an official visit. What are some of the do's and don'ts that I should be aware of? I am new to this so I wanted to get some good advice. Thanks

unofficial visit, you can not do an official visit until senior year. parents stay in the background, they want to get to know the kid, the parent should be seen and not heard (ironic) the kid should have some questions about academic programs what his interests are and he should know a little about the lacrosse history as well as familiarize himself about the coaching staff, read the bio's, know where they played in college ect. you might want to impress a coach by how much you love his school by saying you would never go to X school and turns out the assistant coach went to X school.

I have been on a few of these unofficial visits with mine and I have found that because these kids are so young, coaches spent a lot of time asking questions of him about our family. Also spent a lot of time asking us parents about our family.

I also asked a ton of questions and wound up spending a few hours with several coaches. Unlike poster above, I was told it was very refreshing and one of the reasons they wanted (more than one school) my son was the amount of concern we exhibited by the questions we asked. Coach went as far as telling us that he appreciated us because most people don't ask anything...they sit in the background.

How can a parent be serious about verbally committing their kid at 14 if they don't ask a ton of questions--real questions--

It worked for us and we took one of the early offers. I can't tell you what to do, but I suggest you are very engaged and don't just stay in the background. That might be the right approach for an 11th grader, but for a 2018, I needed to be comfortable first, its my kid...

What questions did you ask?

Academic requirements and expectations, study hall mandate?-tutor availability, help scheduling classes (at one school a coach actually said pre-med would be tough because lots of labs scheduled when they practice), team expectations and time commitment, monitoring of after hours activities--do the boys run wild?, coach's long term plans, living arrangements, ...the list goes on. I asked everything I thought I needed to know to make sure my boy would be in good hands and have the best opportunity to get the highest education possible all while balancing lax. Coaches were all very honest and up front.

We loved all the schools, but some coaches were better and more in line with my fam expectations...

Let's all be more realistic about Lacrosse and college....

http://www.[lacrosse]/lacrosse.html

NH Tomahawks beat Terps and beat Clams 15-3. Also tied Extreme.

Great link. Puts it all into reality. Hit the books, it is all that really matters in the end.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NH Tomahawks beat Terps and beat Clams 15-3. Also tied Extreme.

but express north beat Tomahawks.

If they tie 91 they can play with anyone. I have heard Express north beat Terps many times...

correct. north beat nh tomahawks 7-3 at legacy team showcase few weeks ago

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If they tie 91 they can play with anyone. I have heard Express north beat Terps many times...

You are mistaken, they have scrimmaged but not played against each other in real game since they came into the Express family. Hopefully this year, they are an excellent team and a bunch of good kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

correct. north beat nh tomahawks 7-3 at legacy team showcase few weeks ago

which was the same tourney that 91 tied.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great link. Puts it all into reality. Hit the books, it is all that really matters in the end.

I figured out with my older guy that there were about 120 kids who started playing youth lacrosse with him in second grade. By the time they got to HS there were 10 of them still left. Then consider that those 10 are part of the 100,000 such kids in the US playing HS lacrosse and that only 13% of that group will play any type of college lax. "Chasing a dream" is putting it mildly...It is fun and you never want to wonder what could have been, so we help our kids anyway we can. However, it is a huge long shot for established HS kids much less people on here puffing their chests about their 4th grade teams. Many of those kids won't even be on their HS teams. Read BOTC long enough and you start thinking that unless you go to a very top D1 school that you are some type of loser....it is just not reality.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great link. Puts it all into reality. Hit the books, it is all that really matters in the end.

I figured out with my older guy that there were about 120 kids who started playing youth lacrosse with him in second grade. By the time they got to HS there were 10 of them still left. Then consider that those 10 are part of the 100,000 such kids in the US playing HS lacrosse and that only 13% of that group will play any type of college lax. "Chasing a dream" is putting it mildly...It is fun and you never want to wonder what could have been, so we help our kids anyway we can. However, it is a huge long shot for established HS kids much less people on here puffing their chests about their 4th grade teams. Many of those kids won't even be on their HS teams. Read BOTC long enough and you start thinking that unless you go to a very top D1 school that you are some type of loser....it is just not reality.

Spot on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great link. Puts it all into reality. Hit the books, it is all that really matters in the end.

I figured out with my older guy that there were about 120 kids who started playing youth lacrosse with him in second grade. By the time they got to HS there were 10 of them still left. Then consider that those 10 are part of the 100,000 such kids in the US playing HS lacrosse and that only 13% of that group will play any type of college lax. "Chasing a dream" is putting it mildly...It is fun and you never want to wonder what could have been, so we help our kids anyway we can. However, it is a huge long shot for established HS kids much less people on here puffing their chests about their 4th grade teams. Many of those kids won't even be on their HS teams. Read BOTC long enough and you start thinking that unless you go to a very top D1 school that you are some type of loser....it is just not reality.

Spot on

Fantastic post, and could not be more accurate. It is really hard to secure ANY kind of college playing opportunity. Just the opportunity to play somewhere in college is rarified air for anyone of these athletes. Further, it is still harder to find an opportunity that matches your son's academic situation and future aspirations, that is in line with your families financial capabilities.

North handled the Terps easily yet they are not mentioned

Really? Jesters over Express North... Ha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really? Jesters over Express North... Ha

Express North only beat Wantagh Tribe by a couple of goals last year? They are good, but not elite.

Think 91 Orange beat Express North as well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

North handled the Terps easily yet they are not mentioned

When was that? They have not met this fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

North handled the Terps easily yet they are not mentioned

Like the North team a bunch, but when in the world did they handle terps easily or at all?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great link. Puts it all into reality. Hit the books, it is all that really matters in the end.

I figured out with my older guy that there were about 120 kids who started playing youth lacrosse with him in second grade. By the time they got to HS there were 10 of them still left. Then consider that those 10 are part of the 100,000 such kids in the US playing HS lacrosse and that only 13% of that group will play any type of college lax. "Chasing a dream" is putting it mildly...It is fun and you never want to wonder what could have been, so we help our kids anyway we can. However, it is a huge long shot for established HS kids much less people on here puffing their chests about their 4th grade teams. Many of those kids won't even be on their HS teams. Read BOTC long enough and you start thinking that unless you go to a very top D1 school that you are some type of loser....it is just not reality.

Spot on

Fantastic post, and could not be more accurate. It is really hard to secure ANY kind of college playing opportunity. Just the opportunity to play somewhere in college is rarified air for anyone of these athletes. Further, it is still harder to find an opportunity that matches your son's academic situation and future aspirations, that is in line with your families financial capabilities.

Yes and no. 13 percent would equate to only one player on every Long Island teams graduating class playing any type of lacrosse college. I'll bet it's higher than that. Don't let the numbers spook you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great link. Puts it all into reality. Hit the books, it is all that really matters in the end.

I figured out with my older guy that there were about 120 kids who started playing youth lacrosse with him in second grade. By the time they got to HS there were 10 of them still left. Then consider that those 10 are part of the 100,000 such kids in the US playing HS lacrosse and that only 13% of that group will play any type of college lax. "Chasing a dream" is putting it mildly...It is fun and you never want to wonder what could have been, so we help our kids anyway we can. However, it is a huge long shot for established HS kids much less people on here puffing their chests about their 4th grade teams. Many of those kids won't even be on their HS teams. Read BOTC long enough and you start thinking that unless you go to a very top D1 school that you are some type of loser....it is just not reality.

This is great post, however a little misleading. I understand your numbers but most of the people that come on this board have kids that are playing at pretty high levels. If your son is on a top club at this point his chances at finding a spot in college lacrosse are pretty good. For example, Sweetlax 2017 team has 13 D1 commits already I believe? Thats just one example. However, unless your son is in the top 5 percent of players in his grade, he is going to need help getting into a school to play lacrosse. This is where your club and college coaches come in. For the parents its all about putting your kid in an environment where he can succeed and make the most of his opportunities when he gets them. Thats what this whole thing is about.

Looks like LI was well represented on the Freshman Philly Showcase All-Star team:

Express Terps - 4
91 Extreme - 1
fl$ - 1
Outlaws - 1
TLI - 1
LI Sharks - 1
LI Sting - 1

I'm surprised the number for 91 Extreme is not higher. Did they have a good number of players at the showcase?

BOC
Maybe you could find out this info?
How many kids at philly showcase have a Bday 1998
Not asking for names or teams just number
I bet number will surprise

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm surprised the number for 91 Extreme is not higher. Did they have a good number of players at the showcase?

91 Extreme and Express Terps each had over 10 kids there

I believe only one Team 91 Extreme kid made the all star game?

How did all the 2018 teams do this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did all the 2018 teams do this weekend?

Any word on how LI teams did at Philly showcase today?

Terps played crabs, dukes and green turtles.

Lost by one to crabs, beat dukes by one--beat Green turtles by alot...

Dozen coaches for crabs and dukes game, all were gone for the turtles game

Two 91 kids made it, the big attackman and a midfielder.

Many of 91 s too kids did not participate in showcase

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two 91 kids made it, the big attackman and a midfielder.

Surprised none of the 91 defensemen made the "Fab 40"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many of 91 s too kids did not participate in showcase

Huh? They had over 10 kids there - including all their top defensemen, their FOGO, their top uncommitted middys, their goalie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps played crabs, dukes and green turtles.

Lost by one to crabs, beat dukes by one--beat Green turtles by alot...

Dozen coaches for crabs and dukes game, all were gone for the turtles game

Thanks. How did Extreme, fl$, Outlaws, Express North, etc all do?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many of 91 s too kids did not participate in showcase

Huh? They had over 10 kids there - including all their top defensemen, their FOGO, their top uncommitted middys, their goalie.

couple of registered 91 players did not show up and one was hurt at the showcase

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many of 91 s too kids did not participate in showcase

Huh? They had over 10 kids there - including all their top defensemen, their FOGO, their top uncommitted middys, their goalie.

couple of registered 91 players did not show up and one was hurt at the showcase

Were any of the no-shows or the injured kid poles? I was very surprised none of their poles made the All-Star list - and that might explain it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many of 91 s too kids did not participate in showcase

Huh? They had over 10 kids there - including all their top defensemen, their FOGO, their top uncommitted middys, their goalie.

couple of registered 91 players did not show up and one was hurt at the showcase

Not showing up? That sucks for kids that were on the waiting list.

Glad the 91 Attackman made it. I still regard that team's [lacrosse]'s U11 highlight video the best lacrosse video I've ever seen, not just for fun-to-watch but also to show what kids that age are capable of.

NH Tomahawks beat Express North 8-6.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Glad the 91 Attackman made it. I still regard that team's [lacrosse]'s U11 highlight video the best lacrosse video I've ever seen, not just for fun-to-watch but also to show what kids that age are capable of.

You should check out an older Turtle Video. When they were in 7th grade. Very impressive

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many of 91 s too kids did not participate in showcase

Huh? They had over 10 kids there - including all their top defensemen, their FOGO, their top uncommitted middys, their goalie.

FOGO and Middie did not play in showcase, played in team event.

JP Lannig, Syosset A - LI Express commits to Michigan

Originally Posted by Anonymous

JP Lannig, Syosset A - LI Express commits to Michigan

9th grade?

team LI playing 2018 this year

anyone else disappointed with rotanz showcase this week end?

A joke no college coaches there Saturday 2018- hope the older teams Sunday had some coaches show up?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

JP Lannig, Syosset A - LI Express commits to Michigan

9th grade?

JP lanning is a 9th grader great feeder from X and dodger.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A joke no college coaches there Saturday 2018- hope the older teams Sunday had some coaches show up?

.

Say want you want for Saturday, Top duke coach was there Sunday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A joke no college coaches there Saturday 2018- hope the older teams Sunday had some coaches show up?

.

Say want you want for Saturday, Top duke coach was there Sunday

John Danowski was there?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

JP Lannig, Syosset A - LI Express commits to Michigan

9th grade?

JP lanning is a 9th grader great feeder from X and dodger.

That makes 4 2018 Express Terps committed?

Saturday was extortion. top 60 uncommitted kids. then they combine 2018 with 2019. I've seen guys go to jail for 20 years for what these guys pulled off. imagine if you would have bought game footage. the almighty money grab always ruins things. good job rotanz.you always preached against it.your showcase was just elite high school teams and one day.now you start empire and everything changes.

Mostly Div 3 coaches on Sat watching 2016 2017
Having 2018-19 play on Sat was just a money grab
Div 3 coaches not watching 9th and 10th graders at this point
Parents need to educate themselves on that. Sunday HS
Tournament attracted many D1 coaches who watched some
Very good programs going at it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mostly Div 3 coaches on Sat watching 2016 2017
Having 2018-19 play on Sat was just a money grab
Div 3 coaches not watching 9th and 10th graders at this point
Parents need to educate themselves on that. Sunday HS
Tournament attracted many D1 coaches who watched some
Very good programs going at it

Did you read what you wrote? 2017 is 10th grade.

By the way, most if not all of the top 2015 and 2016 players are committed. The D1 coaches who were watching those "very good programs compete" are watching their committed recruits.

HS Coaches should be playing the 2015 and 2016 uncommitted kids in the Varsity Devision. HS Coaches should have all of their 2017's at this tournament. 2018's should also be there.

This Tournament is billed as a "Showcase" why are HS Teams playing their 2015 D1 committed kids. If this Showcase is well attended by so many college coaches why would HS coaches not want to play their uncommitted kids? I would think that HS coaches would want to help all of the players in their program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mostly Div 3 coaches on Sat watching 2016 2017
Having 2018-19 play on Sat was just a money grab
Div 3 coaches not watching 9th and 10th graders at this point
Parents need to educate themselves on that. Sunday HS
Tournament attracted many D1 coaches who watched some
Very good programs going at it

Did you read what you wrote? 2017 is 10th grade.

By the way, most if not all of the top 2015 and 2016 players are committed. The D1 coaches who were watching those "very good programs compete" are watching their committed recruits.

HS Coaches should be playing the 2015 and 2016 uncommitted kids in the Varsity Devision. HS Coaches should have all of their 2017's at this tournament. 2018's should also be there.

This Tournament is billed as a "Showcase" why are HS Teams playing their 2015 D1 committed kids. If this Showcase is well attended by so many college coaches why would HS coaches not want to play their uncommitted kids? I would think that HS coaches would want to help all of the players in their program.

The SWR event used to be elite teams going at it and coaches would come to find Juniors and Seniors before the whole early recruiting thing started. The event is trying to adjust but the old time hs coaches still look at as an opportunity to get a preview of their teams and care less about the recruiting aspect.

How about a double repeat now in this grade and still can't get recruited by a top D1. Next year it will be a triple. Kid has also been jerked around to different schools. Feel bad for the kid. How do you develop a social network like that and what happens to academics when you are constantly changing schools? Do you send all the transcripts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about a double repeat now in this grade and still can't get recruited by a top D1. Next year it will be a triple. Kid has also been jerked around to different schools. Feel bad for the kid. How do you develop a social network like that and what happens to academics when you are constantly changing schools? Do you send all the transcripts?

Laxachusettes has 5 or 6 of them...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about a double repeat now in this grade and still can't get recruited by a top D1. Next year it will be a triple. Kid has also been jerked around to different schools. Feel bad for the kid. How do you develop a social network like that and what happens to academics when you are constantly changing schools? Do you send all the transcripts?

Laxachusettes has 5 or 6 of them...

New England clubs seem to definitely adhere to the holdback/repeat method. Laxachussetts and Fighting Clam teams always seem to much older than the teams they are playing against.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about a double repeat now in this grade and still can't get recruited by a top D1. Next year it will be a triple. Kid has also been jerked around to different schools. Feel bad for the kid. How do you develop a social network like that and what happens to academics when you are constantly changing schools? Do you send all the transcripts?

Laxachusettes has 5 or 6 of them...

New England clubs seem to definitely adhere to the holdback/repeat method. Laxachussetts and Fighting Clam teams always seem to much older than the teams they are playing against.

Don't forget 3d NE!

I have an 8th grader that is a quintuplet repeat (that's 5 times for the many mouth breathers on here). I think he is positioned to get an offer next summer. As parents, we have no problem with him buying beer for his team after games. Quit whining and tell your little snotty nosed kid to get better!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have an 8th grader that is a quintuplet repeat (that's 5 times for the many mouth breathers on here). I think he is positioned to get an offer next summer. As parents, we have no problem with him buying beer for his team after games. Quit whining and tell your little snotty nosed kid to get better!

Only 5 times? Rookie

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have an 8th grader that is a quintuplet repeat (that's 5 times for the many mouth breathers on here). I think he is positioned to get an offer next summer. As parents, we have no problem with him buying beer for his team after games. Quit whining and tell your little snotty nosed kid to get better!

Only 5 times? Rookie

Yea .....I remember you. You are the guy drinking Schlitz. Fat guy wearing 91 garb from somewhere on the south shore. Yup....you are that guy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have an 8th grader that is a quintuplet repeat (that's 5 times for the many mouth breathers on here). I think he is positioned to get an offer next summer. As parents, we have no problem with him buying beer for his team after games. Quit whining and tell your little snotty nosed kid to get better!

Only 5 times? Rookie

Yea .....I remember you. You are the guy drinking Schlitz. Fat guy wearing 91 garb from somewhere on the south shore. Yup....you are that guy

The kid is a beast...and Orange is the new Black!

I really like UVA's 2018 recruiting class so far. Looks like they are on their way to a great class as I'm hearing a couple of more players will pull the trigger in a few days.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really like UVA's 2018 recruiting class so far. Looks like they are on their way to a great class as I'm hearing a couple of more players will pull the trigger in a few days.

Wondering what those kids will do when Dom's contract is not renewed after the 2016 season, which is a given according to those in the know in Charlottesville.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really like UVA's 2018 recruiting class so far. Looks like they are on their way to a great class as I'm hearing a couple of more players will pull the trigger in a few days.

Wondering what those kids will do when Dom's contract is not renewed after the 2016 season, which is a given according to those in the know in Charlottesville.

"Those in the know". I love that phrase. And obviously you are in tight with "those in the know" in Charlottesville. Hahaha

How exactly are the clubs participating in holding players back? Isn't this a choice the parents are making?

Can Any 2018 folks provide feedback from last years Brine tryouts. I don't mean to bring out the lunacy but if we could get some great callouts it would be appreciated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can Any 2018 folks provide feedback from last years Brine tryouts. I don't mean to bring out the lunacy but if we could get some great callouts it would be appreciated.

is there value for a 7th grader?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can Any 2018 folks provide feedback from last years Brine tryouts. I don't mean to bring out the lunacy but if we could get some great callouts it would be appreciated.

is there value for a 7th grader?

tryouts are pretty well run considering how many kids and how cold it is - they will have a second tryout (and second fee) called the pride of long island, usually 4 teams in the spring, then another cut down and a final game - then it gets interesting, they will pick a team long island then they may or may not pick a second team - that team will not necessarily be from the tryouts but might be from the club teams pushing their kids through. This event is well worth the BS if your kid makes it, it is a really fun event and a chance for kids to represent their region and play with different kids. lat years two MS teams were both outstanding

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How exactly are the clubs participating in holding players back? Isn't this a choice the parents are making?

"Participating" isnt the correct term, its more like advocating or suggesting. Yes it is ultimately the parents decision but the clubs are in favor of it and definitely dont discourage it.

Just saw Sweetlax had their 7th 2018 commit tonight.
Hopkins 2x
UVA 2x
Penn St
Michigan
Ohio St.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw Sweetlax had their 7th 2018 commit tonight.
Hopkins 2x
UVA 2x
Penn St
Michigan
Ohio St.

I bet less than half those kids have played more than a year for Sweetlax. Point being that Sweetlax had nothing to do with their recruiting but is getting a ton of dough from using their names and college logos.

Their recent FOGO committ to Hopkins has only been with them 6 Months.... They are not the reason

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Their recent FOGO committ to Hopkins has only been with them 6 Months.... They are not the reason

Who says they were? just states he plays for them, which is a fact. And your point is?

Point being it wasn't them or their recruiting.... IT WAS HIS HARD WORK

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Point being it wasn't them or their recruiting.... IT WAS HIS HARD WORK

Nobody said it wasn't. Why do you think he plays for Sweetlax? They recruit the best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw Sweetlax had their 7th 2018 commit tonight.
Hopkins 2x
UVA 2x
Penn St
Michigan
Ohio St.

I bet less than half those kids have played more than a year for Sweetlax. Point being that Sweetlax had nothing to do with their recruiting but is getting a ton of dough from using their names and college logos.

Sorry. Not true. Only 1 has not played for them under a year. And he will be full time with Sweetlax from here on out. Probably another 2-3 committing in next few weeks. That will put them at 10.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Point being it wasn't them or their recruiting.... IT WAS HIS HARD WORK

Ignorant comment. Every kid that commits this early is because of their TALENT and HARD WORK - whatever club they play for. Show me any club that gets a kid recruited that is not talented and is a hard worker. Exactly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Point being it wasn't them or their recruiting.... IT WAS HIS HARD WORK

Ignorant comment. Every kid that commits this early is because of their TALENT and HARD WORK - whatever club they play for. Show me any club that gets a kid recruited that is not talented and is a hard worker. Exactly.

Point being also that Sweetlax does nothing to develop younger players. What's the big poo about them anyway? Why bother? What's the attraction over a club sponsored by joes tire shop?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Point being it wasn't them or their recruiting.... IT WAS HIS HARD WORK

Ignorant comment. Every kid that commits this early is because of their TALENT and HARD WORK - whatever club they play for. Show me any club that gets a kid recruited that is not talented and is a hard worker. Exactly.

Point being also that Sweetlax does nothing to develop younger players. What's the big poo about them anyway? Why bother? What's the attraction over a club sponsored by joes tire shop?

Sweetlax is mostly a brand of elite players, either committed or soon to be. They are a national team playing in the most elite tournaments. It is what is needed to compete against the best like fca and 3d. The director is a great guy, all about the kids. Playing g sweetlax gives these special kids the exposure they want at a reasonable price.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Point being it wasn't them or their recruiting.... IT WAS HIS HARD WORK

Ignorant comment. Every kid that commits this early is because of their TALENT and HARD WORK - whatever club they play for. Show me any club that gets a kid recruited that is not talented and is a hard worker. Exactly.

Point being also that Sweetlax does nothing to develop younger players. What's the big poo about them anyway? Why bother? What's the attraction over a club sponsored by joes tire shop?

LOL. Sweetlax seems to strike a nerve with you. Typical response from a dad whose kid was cut and an axe to grind. Spend more time getting your kid to improve and less time throwing crap against the wall on a message board and maybe things will work out better for him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Point being it wasn't them or their recruiting.... IT WAS HIS HARD WORK

Ignorant comment. Every kid that commits this early is because of their TALENT and HARD WORK - whatever club they play for. Show me any club that gets a kid recruited that is not talented and is a hard worker. Exactly.

Point being also that Sweetlax does nothing to develop younger players. What's the big poo about them anyway? Why bother? What's the attraction over a club sponsored by joes tire shop?

Sweetlax is mostly a brand of elite players, either committed or soon to be. They are a national team playing in the most elite tournaments. It is what is needed to compete against the best like fca and 3d. The director is a great guy, all about the kids. Playing g sweetlax gives these special kids the exposure they want at a reasonable price.

Very good description. Spot on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Point being it wasn't them or their recruiting.... IT WAS HIS HARD WORK

Ignorant comment. Every kid that commits this early is because of their TALENT and HARD WORK - whatever club they play for. Show me any club that gets a kid recruited that is not talented and is a hard worker. Exactly.

Point being also that Sweetlax does nothing to develop younger players. What's the big poo about them anyway? Why bother? What's the attraction over a club sponsored by joes tire shop?

Sweetlax is mostly a brand of elite players, either committed or soon to be. They are a national team playing in the most elite tournaments. It is what is needed to compete against the best like fca and 3d. The director is a great guy, all about the kids. Playing g sweetlax gives these special kids the exposure they want at a reasonable price.

If the kids are committed or soon to be they don't need exposure. They could play for Joe's tire shop and still get some work in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Point being it wasn't them or their recruiting.... IT WAS HIS HARD WORK

Ignorant comment. Every kid that commits this early is because of their TALENT and HARD WORK - whatever club they play for. Show me any club that gets a kid recruited that is not talented and is a hard worker. Exactly.

Point being also that Sweetlax does nothing to develop younger players. What's the big poo about them anyway? Why bother? What's the attraction over a club sponsored by joes tire shop?

Sweetlax is mostly a brand of elite players, either committed or soon to be. They are a national team playing in the most elite tournaments. It is what is needed to compete against the best like fca and 3d. The director is a great guy, all about the kids. Playing g sweetlax gives these special kids the exposure they want at a reasonable price.

Very good description. Spot on.

It's a club for ego maniacs and their talented sons. A real test for these superstars would be to put them on a mediocre club team and see if they can elevate a team to an elite level. Then I'll be impressed. But a club of committed or near-committed kids beating up on teams full of uncommitted kids? Not impressive.

You know you're doing things right when you have a couple of idiots throwing darts at you. Just because your kid is not an elite player doesn't mean you have to be so envious of others. It's not that important.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Point being it wasn't them or their recruiting.... IT WAS HIS HARD WORK

Ignorant comment. Every kid that commits this early is because of their TALENT and HARD WORK - whatever club they play for. Show me any club that gets a kid recruited that is not talented and is a hard worker. Exactly.

Point being also that Sweetlax does nothing to develop younger players. What's the big poo about them anyway? Why bother? What's the attraction over a club sponsored by joes tire shop?

Sweetlax is mostly a brand of elite players, either committed or soon to be. They are a national team playing in the most elite tournaments. It is what is needed to compete against the best like fca and 3d. The director is a great guy, all about the kids. Playing g sweetlax gives these special kids the exposure they want at a reasonable price.

If the kids are committed or soon to be they don't need exposure. They could play for Joe's tire shop and still get some work in.

Ok now that just proves you really don't know what your talking about.... College coaches expect the committed kids to continue to strive and play in top tournaments where they will be challenged.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Point being it wasn't them or their recruiting.... IT WAS HIS HARD WORK

Ignorant comment. Every kid that commits this early is because of their TALENT and HARD WORK - whatever club they play for. Show me any club that gets a kid recruited that is not talented and is a hard worker. Exactly.

Point being also that Sweetlax does nothing to develop younger players. What's the big poo about them anyway? Why bother? What's the attraction over a club sponsored by joes tire shop?

Sweetlax is mostly a brand of elite players, either committed or soon to be. They are a national team playing in the most elite tournaments. It is what is needed to compete against the best like fca and 3d. The director is a great guy, all about the kids. Playing g sweetlax gives these special kids the exposure they want at a reasonable price.

Very good description. Spot on.

It's a club for ego maniacs and their talented sons. A real test for these superstars would be to put them on a mediocre club team and see if they can elevate a team to an elite level. Then I'll be impressed. But a club of committed or near-committed kids beating up on teams full of uncommitted kids? Not impressive.

Sorry to burst your unimpressed bubble, but this already happens! Some of them don't play for just one team.

EARLY RECRUITS BY CLUB TALLY:

Dukes - 9
SweetLax - 6
Long Island Express - 5
Madlax - 3
Crabs - 3
Prime Time - 2
Apex - 2
91 - 2
FCA - 2
WCS - 2
NHT - 2
LB3 - 1
3d - 1
VLC - 1
Mustangs - 1

For the past 4/5 years people have been saying how great the 91 extreme team was/is just like we are now continually hearing about the Crush, The Honey Badgers and the Bandits. Truth is; having a winning seasonal record and winning games at these tournaments means nothing. The Dukes and Sweetlax lose to 91 Extreme all the time yet more 2018 kids have verbally committed from Sweetlax and the Dukes (15 total) than 91 (2 total)

and yeah yeah, there are kids who already are "secretly" committed to the Ivy's and can't report it yet but every clubs has those kids so that just evens out.

Better to play on a winning team and get lost in the crowd or play on a club where each kid is being developed as a player?

So the kids are really just mercenaries. Better for the individual not the team. Sometimes the best players don't make the best team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

EARLY RECRUITS BY CLUB TALLY:

Dukes - 9
SweetLax - 6
Long Island Express - 5
Madlax - 3
Crabs - 3
Prime Time - 2
Apex - 2
91 - 2
FCA - 2
WCS - 2
NHT - 2
LB3 - 1
3d - 1
VLC - 1
Mustangs - 1

For the past 4/5 years people have been saying how great the 91 extreme team was/is just like we are now continually hearing about the Crush, The Honey Badgers and the Bandits. Truth is; having a winning seasonal record and winning games at these tournaments means nothing. The Dukes and Sweetlax lose to 91 Extreme all the time yet more 2018 kids have verbally committed from Sweetlax and the Dukes (15 total) than 91 (2 total)

and yeah yeah, there are kids who already are "secretly" committed to the Ivy's and can't report it yet but every clubs has those kids so that just evens out.

Better to play on a winning team and get lost in the crowd or play on a club where each kid is being developed as a player?

I wouldn't be counting them out yet. Have not stepped on HS field yet. I guarantee you 12 months from now they will be leading the pack. Couple of 91 guys jumped to Express post commit as well.

Gomez for 91 just signed with Hopkins. Great player, better kid. - congratulations Michael - plenty moor extreme and terps to go

Originally Posted by Anonymous

EARLY RECRUITS BY CLUB TALLY:

Dukes - 9
SweetLax - 6
Long Island Express - 5
Madlax - 3
Crabs - 3
Prime Time - 2
Apex - 2
91 - 2
FCA - 2
WCS - 2
NHT - 2
LB3 - 1
3d - 1
VLC - 1
Mustangs - 1

For the past 4/5 years people have been saying how great the 91 extreme team was/is just like we are now continually hearing about the Crush, The Honey Badgers and the Bandits. Truth is; having a winning seasonal record and winning games at these tournaments means nothing. The Dukes and Sweetlax lose to 91 Extreme all the time yet more 2018 kids have verbally committed from Sweetlax and the Dukes (15 total) than 91 (2 total)

and yeah yeah, there are kids who already are "secretly" committed to the Ivy's and can't report it yet but every clubs has those kids so that just evens out.

Better to play on a winning team and get lost in the crowd or play on a club where each kid is being developed as a player?

I wouldn't be counting them out yet. Have not stepped on HS field yet. I guarantee you 12 months from now they will be leading the pack. Couple of 91 guys jumped to Express post commit as well.

All 2018 kids have not stepped on a HS
Field so what's your point? All clubs are even with regards to that

Also,

The one 2018
cross-over you are referring too was an Express kid his whole travel club career outside of the one year at 91. Credit belongs to Express as does the 2017 UVA Attackman.

I agree- by summer time and 10th gr Fall you will see a good number of commits from highly respected schools. There are plenty of excellent kids that are debating offers or waiting for better schools. Sometimes it's wiser not to jump and for others it would be foolish not too. Each family knows what's on the table now and what may be on the table in the near future. 91 will be just fine.

wow team long island gets no love on this site.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wow team long island gets no love on this site.

That's true. There's a fair amount of dislike for the director. Tell us why TLI deserves some love.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All 2018 kids have not stepped on a HS
Field so what's your point? All clubs are even with regards to that

Also,

The one 2018
cross-over you are referring too was an Express kid his whole travel club career outside of the one year at 91. Credit belongs to Express as does the 2017 UVA Attackman.

More then a few 2018's have stepped on a HS field already, with the exception of Cham and St A's that obviously could not happen because they were not in the school yet, many 2018's played JV and at least 2 (Syosset) played varsity as 8th graders with one already committed to Mich, and as far as the cross over player, he played a year and a half with 91 having switched in the middle of the season, and he committed before he was back on the field for Express, I am sure he went to prospect days and other things as well, both 91 and Express deserve some of the credit but most of the credit belongs to the kid himself for all his hard work that made him an attractive recruitable player

TLI 2018 is just as good 91 extreme.we always played to 1-2 goal games going either way.now we are strictly 2018 club hopefully we can end up in same tourneys this year. we recently joined an alliance with top teams including dukes.should make up for some really good lax.hope all directors can put there egos aside and come play in these tourneys. we see!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

EARLY RECRUITS BY CLUB TALLY:

Dukes - 9
SweetLax - 6
Long Island Express - 5
Madlax - 3
Crabs - 3
Prime Time - 2
Apex - 2
91 - 2
FCA - 2
WCS - 2
NHT - 2
LB3 - 1
3d - 1
VLC - 1
Mustangs - 1

For the past 4/5 years people have been saying how great the 91 extreme team was/is just like we are now continually hearing about the Crush, The Honey Badgers and the Bandits. Truth is; having a winning seasonal record and winning games at these tournaments means nothing. The Dukes and Sweetlax lose to 91 Extreme all the time yet more 2018 kids have verbally committed from Sweetlax and the Dukes (15 total) than 91 (2 total)

and yeah yeah, there are kids who already are "secretly" committed to the Ivy's and can't report it yet but every clubs has those kids so that just evens out.

Better to play on a winning team and get lost in the crowd or play on a club where each kid is being developed as a player?

Just a question here? How many Dukes players were 2017's last year? 5? 6? Might have something to do with why they have 9 recruits, yet their players aren't good enough to beat 91. Who has far less. Is there another explanation for this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

EARLY RECRUITS BY CLUB TALLY:

Dukes - 9
SweetLax - 6
Long Island Express - 5
Madlax - 3
Crabs - 3
Prime Time - 2
Apex - 2
91 - 2
FCA - 2
WCS - 2
NHT - 2
LB3 - 1
3d - 1
VLC - 1
Mustangs - 1

For the past 4/5 years people have been saying how great the 91 extreme team was/is just like we are now continually hearing about the Crush, The Honey Badgers and the Bandits. Truth is; having a winning seasonal record and winning games at these tournaments means nothing. The Dukes and Sweetlax lose to 91 Extreme all the time yet more 2018 kids have verbally committed from Sweetlax and the Dukes (15 total) than 91 (2 total)

and yeah yeah, there are kids who already are "secretly" committed to the Ivy's and can't report it yet but every clubs has those kids so that just evens out.

Better to play on a winning team and get lost in the crowd or play on a club where each kid is being developed as a player?

Just a question here? How many Dukes players were 2017's last year? 5? 6? Might have something to do with why they have 9 recruits, yet their players aren't good enough to beat 91. Who has far less. Is there another explanation for this?

to be honest hold backs do have a lot to do with current commits, also Dukes probably carries 30-40 kids in this class and sweetlax takes credit for any kid who ever came to a clinic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

EARLY RECRUITS BY CLUB TALLY:

Dukes - 9
SweetLax - 6
Long Island Express - 5
Madlax - 3
Crabs - 3
Prime Time - 2
Apex - 2
91 - 2
FCA - 2
WCS - 2
NHT - 2
LB3 - 1
3d - 1
VLC - 1
Mustangs - 1

For the past 4/5 years people have been saying how great the 91 extreme team was/is just like we are now continually hearing about the Crush, The Honey Badgers and the Bandits. Truth is; having a winning seasonal record and winning games at these tournaments means nothing. The Dukes and Sweetlax lose to 91 Extreme all the time yet more 2018 kids have verbally committed from Sweetlax and the Dukes (15 total) than 91 (2 total)

and yeah yeah, there are kids who already are "secretly" committed to the Ivy's and can't report it yet but every clubs has those kids so that just evens out.

Better to play on a winning team and get lost in the crowd or play on a club where each kid is being developed as a player?

Just a question here? How many Dukes players were 2017's last year? 5? 6? Might have something to do with why they have 9 recruits, yet their players aren't good enough to beat 91. Who has far less. Is there another explanation for this?

Yeah, 91 does a crappy job at getting their kids recruited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All 2018 kids have not stepped on a HS
Field so what's your point? All clubs are even with regards to that

Also,

The one 2018
cross-over you are referring too was an Express kid his whole travel club career outside of the one year at 91. Credit belongs to Express as does the 2017 UVA Attackman.

More then a few 2018's have stepped on a HS field already, with the exception of Cham and St A's that obviously could not happen because they were not in the school yet, many 2018's played JV and at least 2 (Syosset) played varsity as 8th graders with one already committed to Mich, and as far as the cross over player, he played a year and a half with 91 having switched in the middle of the season, and he committed before he was back on the field for Express, I am sure he went to prospect days and other things as well, both 91 and Express deserve some of the credit but most of the credit belongs to the kid himself for all his hard work that made him an attractive recruitable player

You're missing it. Yes, the kid is the reason, but he trained under MC for years and that "development" was under Express. All he did was play for a 91 team for 1 1/2 yrs, they didn't develop any part of his game. ALL the credit goes to Express.

And express and 91 don't ? Are you kidding ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

EARLY RECRUITS BY CLUB TALLY:

Dukes - 9
SweetLax - 6
Long Island Express - 5
Madlax - 3
Crabs - 3
Prime Time - 2
Apex - 2
91 - 2
FCA - 2
WCS - 2
NHT - 2
LB3 - 1
3d - 1
VLC - 1
Mustangs - 1

For the past 4/5 years people have been saying how great the 91 extreme team was/is just like we are now continually hearing about the Crush, The Honey Badgers and the Bandits. Truth is; having a winning seasonal record and winning games at these tournaments means nothing. The Dukes and Sweetlax lose to 91 Extreme all the time yet more 2018 kids have verbally committed from Sweetlax and the Dukes (15 total) than 91 (2 total)

and yeah yeah, there are kids who already are "secretly" committed to the Ivy's and can't report it yet but every clubs has those kids so that just evens out.

Better to play on a winning team and get lost in the crowd or play on a club where each kid is being developed as a player?

Just a question here? How many Dukes players were 2017's last year? 5? 6? Might have something to do with why they have 9 recruits, yet their players aren't good enough to beat 91. Who has far less. Is there another explanation for this?

to be honest hold backs do have a lot to do with current commits, also Dukes probably carries 30-40 kids in this class and sweetlax takes credit for any kid who ever came to a clinic.

The point the original poster was making is slipping away here. Regardless of 2017's, HB's etc... 91 Xtreme claims to be the best team but yet 9 kids from other clubs went before "the best teams" kids. Point is, you don't need to be on a team who is "undefeated"; you need to be with an organization who can get your recruited and the numbers tell me DUKES, SWEETLAX AND EXPRESS are doing a better job.

Just Heard Crush F/O , and all three attacks verbally committed this morning to a top university as a package deal , so I guess 91 is doing something correctly in the 2020 bracket .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

EARLY RECRUITS BY CLUB TALLY:

Dukes - 9
SweetLax - 6
Long Island Express - 5
Madlax - 3
Crabs - 3
Prime Time - 2
Apex - 2
91 - 2
FCA - 2
WCS - 2
NHT - 2
LB3 - 1
3d - 1
VLC - 1
Mustangs - 1

For the past 4/5 years people have been saying how great the 91 extreme team was/is just like we are now continually hearing about the Crush, The Honey Badgers and the Bandits. Truth is; having a winning seasonal record and winning games at these tournaments means nothing. The Dukes and Sweetlax lose to 91 Extreme all the time yet more 2018 kids have verbally committed from Sweetlax and the Dukes (15 total) than 91 (2 total)

and yeah yeah, there are kids who already are "secretly" committed to the Ivy's and can't report it yet but every clubs has those kids so that just evens out.

Better to play on a winning team and get lost in the crowd or play on a club where each kid is being developed as a player?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The point the original poster was making is slipping away here. Regardless of 2017's, HB's etc... 91 Xtreme claims to be the best team but yet 9 kids from other clubs went before "the best teams" kids. Point is, you don't need to be on a team who is "undefeated"; you need to be with an organization who can get your recruited and the numbers tell me DUKES, SWEETLAX AND EXPRESS are doing a better job.

you might be suffering from a case of premature egacpostingulation - lets see where Extreme is after Duke and the Ivy's start announcing commits - you have 2 Hopkins and a Maryland announced already add 3 Duke and 3 Ivy's and you have the making of a nice recruiting group - and don't think for a minute that teams get kids recruited, they put you in the correct position to get recruited, the kids get themselves recruited.

Isn't there a difference in judging a great team with kids that have been together since when, 3rd-4th grade?, versus clubs that just collect DI-caliber athletes from a very large geographic area starting when, Summer after 8th grade?

No criticism of Sweetlax or Dukes here. Just seems like a completely different animal versus a team that first taught a kid his first split dodge.

Hahahahaha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gomez for 91 just signed with Hopkins. Great player, better kid. - congratulations Michael - plenty moor extreme and terps to go

Nice Job!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Isn't there a difference in judging a great team with kids that have been together since when, 3rd-4th grade?, versus clubs that just collect DI-caliber athletes from a very large geographic area starting when, Summer after 8th grade?

No criticism of Sweetlax or Dukes here. Just seems like a completely different animal versus a team that first taught a kid his first split dodge.

On the money. Sweetlax doesn't develop kids, but they do have a good knack for recruiting kids from other programs and presenting them as their own. They are a flavor of the day and the "cool" club now for ego maniac fathers but hubris will make them an after thought in 5 years when the next "cool" flavor of the day club comes along.

Team extreme has not been together from 3rd grade the team does not resemble the 5th grade team at all. Team extreme did same as sweet lax. Lure players from other clubs and other parts of state and out of state.
Stop the lies
It make parents look stupid

It will be very interesting to see how many of the early commits have the grades and SATs/ACTs to actually gain admission to these schools.

It is hard to predict in 8th grade how a kid is going to fare in AP Physics or on an SAT, some kids can't do it even though they can get As in non-honors classes. I personally know 3 kids who had GPAs at private schools in the 4.0-3.75 range who were unable to crack a 23 on the ACT. I hope it works out well for everyone, but I won't be surprised to see some of these kids make changes later in HS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Isn't there a difference in judging a great team with kids that have been together since when, 3rd-4th grade?, versus clubs that just collect DI-caliber athletes from a very large geographic area starting when, Summer after 8th grade?

No criticism of Sweetlax or Dukes here. Just seems like a completely different animal versus a team that first taught a kid his first split dodge.

So says another very jealous affiliate of another club who is so so disappointed he can't get his kids recruited. LOL!

On the money. Sweetlax doesn't develop kids, but they do have a good knack for recruiting kids from other programs and presenting them as their own. They are a flavor of the day and the "cool" club now for ego maniac fathers but hubris will make them an after thought in 5 years when the next "cool" flavor of the day club comes along.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hahahahaha

3 Dukes??? You're not going to now give credit to 91 for getting Caputo's kid into Duke, are you. And 3 ivy's?? Who?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Isn't there a difference in judging a great team with kids that have been together since when, 3rd-4th grade?, versus clubs that just collect DI-caliber athletes from a very large geographic area starting when, Summer after 8th grade?

No criticism of Sweetlax or Dukes here. Just seems like a completely different animal versus a team that first taught a kid his first split dodge.

So says another very jealous affiliate of another club who is so so disappointed he can't get his kids recruited. LOL!

On the money. Sweetlax doesn't develop kids, but they do have a good knack for recruiting kids from other programs and presenting them as their own. They are a flavor of the day and the "cool" club now for ego maniac fathers but hubris will make them an after thought in 5 years when the next "cool" flavor of the day club comes along.

I tend to agree. Who cares about Dukes, they don't make the kids they just had a strangle hold in the Philly area years ago. Their not even a team. Just a group of the areas top players who "get together" for tournaments. There is nothing "team" about the Dukes. They just claimed to have their 39th 2015 kid commit. 39?? How many kids do they have....oh yeah 50. I respect the 91's of the world, the Tomohawks, Express, etc that take kids and make some changes as the years go by and teach and develop the kids to play as a team and still have huge successes in getting kids recruited. Its such a joke. Let's take the best of the best and claim their ours. The jig is over. Too many good coaches and true teams in Philly that are taking a bite out of them. Egomaniacs taking credit for all these kids that someone else developed.

Can't give 91 credit for getting him into Duke but give them credit for Caputo wanting his kid to play with them

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't give 91 credit for getting him into Duke but give them credit for Caputo wanting his kid to play with them

Nope. The real reason his kid plays for 91 is because his best friend is one of the coaches and the familes are close His kid would be able to stay with that family, travel with them etc... If Mr C would not be able to because of Duke or other events. Nothing to do with one travel club being better than another.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't give 91 credit for getting him into Duke but give them credit for Caputo wanting his kid to play with them

no travel team deserves "credit" for kids being recruited - the kids deserve the credit. As far as having a kid listed as a recruited player on a club team it is no different then the Hofstra or Adelphi coaches sons teams listing them as recruited players - it is just a list of players that play for a team that are going to colleges to play. no need to argue every single post on this site, particularly when it is NOT subjective. It is a list

Word around the street that 91 has 2 kids committed but waiting to announce.

so exciting I cant wait until they announce, probably waiting until after Mariota announces if he is going to NFL, wouldn't want to steal his thunder.

"Word around the street"....LOL. I guess THIS is the street.

Yes Fogo and Defenseman both going to Duke

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word around the street that 91 has 2 kids committed but waiting to announce.

Wow. I'm sure all of us will be holding our breath waiting for the next 9th graders ready to "announce". Have you notified ESPN? Will there be a special TV news conference which interupts regular programming? LOL!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word around the street that 91 has 2 kids committed but waiting to announce.

Wow. I'm sure all of us will be holding our breath waiting for the next 9th graders ready to "announce". Have you notified ESPN? Will there be a special TV news conference which interupts regular programming? LOL!

There are only a handful of people on planet Earth who care:
1. the kid
2. the nutty parents (not all) who live through their kids
3. the club director who wants all the credit for making this happen to use as a selling tool to gather more paying parents.
4. the group of jealous and whining parents who will criticize everything about early recruiting only because their kid wasn't recruited.

That, my friends, sums up who really cares about this process of which you can find thousands of pages of banter on the internet. Now go back to typing away!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word around the street that 91 has 2 kids committed but waiting to announce.

Wow. I'm sure all of us will be holding our breath waiting for the next 9th graders ready to "announce". Have you notified ESPN? Will there be a special TV news conference which interupts regular programming? LOL!

There are only a handful of people on planet Earth who care:
1. the kid
2. the nutty parents (not all) who live through their kids
3. the club director who wants all the credit for making this happen to use as a selling tool to gather more paying parents.
4. the group of jealous and whining parents who will criticize everything about early recruiting only because their kid wasn't recruited.

That, my friends, sums up who really cares about this process of which you can find thousands of pages of banter on the internet. Now go back to typing away!

lets agree to disagree, I am a parent of a player that has played with and against all of these boys and am interested where they have chosen to commit and am happy for all of them, you on the other hand are a tool.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word around the street that 91 has 2 kids committed but waiting to announce.

Det.Starsky : Huggie, what do you know about 2018 91 commits ?

Huggie Bear : ( looks around furtively) Man, word on the street is 91 has a commit but they be keeping it on the down low.

Det.Starsky : ( grabs Huggie Bear by the collar) Don't hold out on me !

Huggie Bear : ok, ok man be cool. It's 2 commits, something about Ivy's. Can't announce right now. That's all I know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word around the street that 91 has 2 kids committed but waiting to announce.

Wow. I'm sure all of us will be holding our breath waiting for the next 9th graders ready to "announce". Have you notified ESPN? Will there be a special TV news conference which interupts regular programming? LOL!

There are only a handful of people on planet Earth who care:
1. the kid
2. the nutty parents (not all) who live through their kids
3. the club director who wants all the credit for making this happen to use as a selling tool to gather more paying parents.
4. the group of jealous and whining parents who will criticize everything about early recruiting only because their kid wasn't recruited.

That, my friends, sums up who really cares about this process of which you can find thousands of pages of banter on the internet. Now go back to typing away!

lets agree to disagree, I am a parent of a player that has played with and against all of these boys and am interested where they have chosen to commit and am happy for all of them, you on the other hand are a tool.

Calling people names while on an anonymous message board shows what you are. You are probably in group 1 or 2.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word around the street that 91 has 2 kids committed but waiting to announce.

Wow. I'm sure all of us will be holding our breath waiting for the next 9th graders ready to "announce". Have you notified ESPN? Will there be a special TV news conference which interupts regular programming? LOL!

There are only a handful of people on planet Earth who care:
1. the kid
2. the nutty parents (not all) who live through their kids
3. the club director who wants all the credit for making this happen to use as a selling tool to gather more paying parents.
4. the group of jealous and whining parents who will criticize everything about early recruiting only because their kid wasn't recruited.

That, my friends, sums up who really cares about this process of which you can find thousands of pages of banter on the internet. Now go back to typing away!

lets agree to disagree, I am a parent of a player that has played with and against all of these boys and am interested where they have chosen to commit and am happy for all of them, you on the other hand are a tool.

Calling people names while on an anonymous message board shows what you are. You are probably in group 1 or 2.

My name is Steve and I am a laxaholic.....you are still a tool

My name is Steve and I am a laxaholic.....you are still a tool [/quote]

Well Stevie, looks like you got called out and punked on here and you feel the need to call people names hiding in your basement. True definition of a coward. LOL!

Ty Xanders is a complete loser. The 2018 kids listed are nice and all, but biased maybe? The guy has a boy crush on LIX, Team 91, Dukes, Sweetlax and WCS which are not by coincidence his shugga daddies paying him to cover their events. This loser doesn't even bother to canvas a wide swath of tournaments that don't fall under the umbrella of his backers, so of course he's never seen and likely won't see a lot of great players. I don't have a 2018, but got a nice Holiday howl out of what this clown wrote up.

Give the guy some credit for being a good little lap dog, he left off his list kids from a certain club in Baltimore. If this recruiting rundown thing does not work out he'll never work in Baltimore again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty Xanders is a complete loser. The 2018 kids listed are nice and all, but biased maybe? The guy has a boy crush on LIX, Team 91, Dukes, Sweetlax and WCS which are not by coincidence his shugga daddies paying him to cover their events. This loser doesn't even bother to canvas a wide swath of tournaments that don't fall under the umbrella of his backers, so of course he's never seen and likely won't see a lot of great players. I don't have a 2018, but got a nice Holiday howl out of what this clown wrote up.

Give the guy some credit for being a good little lap dog, he left off his list kids from a certain club in Baltimore. If this recruiting rundown thing does not work out he'll never work in Baltimore again.

Completely agreed! No one needs this guy to feel good about their place, but people do like lists...

This sounds like the typical response from a butt hurt daddy whose kid was left off the list.

It is not who is or is not on the list that is ridiculous it is trying to pick 15 9th graders in the entire country at this point. I bet if he made a list of the top 15 kids on the turtles people would have a problem with who was on and who was left off.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty Xanders is a complete loser. The 2018 kids listed are nice and all, but biased maybe? The guy has a boy crush on LIX, Team 91, Dukes, Sweetlax and WCS which are not by coincidence his shugga daddies paying him to cover their events. This loser doesn't even bother to canvas a wide swath of tournaments that don't fall under the umbrella of his backers, so of course he's never seen and likely won't see a lot of great players. I don't have a 2018, but got a nice Holiday howl out of what this clown wrote up.

Give the guy some credit for being a good little lap dog, he left off his list kids from a certain club in Baltimore. If this recruiting rundown thing does not work out he'll never work in Baltimore again.

Aren't you on the Lunatic daddy Freshman Watchlist?

List is meaningless he may see a kid do well one game then bomb the next. Let's wait till HS varsity to make this list. That's where it actually counts!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

List is meaningless he may see a kid do well one game then bomb the next. Let's wait till HS varsity to make this list. That's where it actually counts!

Actually, none it counts. When your son steps on the field in college the coaches could care less about your HS career. Everything goes back to zero and everyone needs to earn their keep.... You could be all world in HS, if the coach feels someone else can do a better job of helping him win, guess what??? Hit the bench!

Ladies and gentlemen for anyone who has played at the D1 level in college you go from being the big boy on campus to just another player as a freshmen. Competing against players for your position who could be as much as 4 to 5 years older than you. Do you have the work ethic, the mental toughness to last and make it? The luck to be injury free. I have known many players who were projected to be college studs and they have come no where close to meeting those projections. Then comes along a player that no one gave a second look at and they turn out to be an amazing college player. So if parents want to believe all the BS that Ty Xanders posts go right ahead. Most of his selections are good because these are the most heralded players in youth lacrosse. A lot changes from 9th grade to freshman year in college. Look at Rob Pannel, Smithtown to a PG year at Deerfield to Cornell. Only played varsity 3 years. Really peaked senior year and the PG at Deerfield. Would anyone consider Quinnipiac a major team? Nope. That's where he was headed after Smithtown. Please read and take these rankings for what they are, ways for Ty to get more hits to his website and make more money. Don't you think some of these elite programs have influence on who make the rankings. There a plenty of players who he has not seen and has no idea about. There are also those who don't play for teams like 91, Express, Dukes, and a few other Elite programs that are great players who will never get the recognition they deserve. Keep your kid grounded. School first and play lacrosse for the love of the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ladies and gentlemen for anyone who has played at the D1 level in college you go from being the big boy on campus to just another player as a freshmen. Competing against players for your position who could be as much as 4 to 5 years older than you. Do you have the work ethic, the mental toughness to last and make it? The luck to be injury free. I have known many players who were projected to be college studs and they have come no where close to meeting those projections. Then comes along a player that no one gave a second look at and they turn out to be an amazing college player. So if parents want to believe all the BS that Ty Xanders posts go right ahead. Most of his selections are good because these are the most heralded players in youth lacrosse. A lot changes from 9th grade to freshman year in college. Look at Rob Pannel, Smithtown to a PG year at Deerfield to Cornell. Only played varsity 3 years. Really peaked senior year and the PG at Deerfield. Would anyone consider Quinnipiac a major team? Nope. That's where he was headed after Smithtown. Please read and take these rankings for what they are, ways for Ty to get more hits to his website and make more money. Don't you think some of these elite programs have influence on who make the rankings. There a plenty of players who he has not seen and has no idea about. There are also those who don't play for teams like 91, Express, Dukes, and a few other Elite programs that are great players who will never get the recognition they deserve. Keep your kid grounded. School first and play lacrosse for the love of the game.

There is no doubt that what you say is 100% true, however, the ranking of HS players is no doubt a very interesting topic in the world of all sports, not just lacrosse. This is evidenced by the fact that everyone reads these lists and the thousands of opinions that are generated. Also, most of the people critical of these lists are the first ones to run to the websites to read them. LOL! Some of these kids that will be ranked will succeed and some won't. No revelation there. It's all entertainment folks! Not nearly as big of a world issue as some want to make it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ladies and gentlemen for anyone who has played at the D1 level in college you go from being the big boy on campus to just another player as a freshmen. Competing against players for your position who could be as much as 4 to 5 years older than you. Do you have the work ethic, the mental toughness to last and make it? The luck to be injury free. I have known many players who were projected to be college studs and they have come no where close to meeting those projections. Then comes along a player that no one gave a second look at and they turn out to be an amazing college player. So if parents want to believe all the BS that Ty Xanders posts go right ahead. Most of his selections are good because these are the most heralded players in youth lacrosse. A lot changes from 9th grade to freshman year in college. Look at Rob Pannel, Smithtown to a PG year at Deerfield to Cornell. Only played varsity 3 years. Really peaked senior year and the PG at Deerfield. Would anyone consider Quinnipiac a major team? Nope. That's where he was headed after Smithtown. Please read and take these rankings for what they are, ways for Ty to get more hits to his website and make more money. Don't you think some of these elite programs have influence on who make the rankings. There a plenty of players who he has not seen and has no idea about. There are also those who don't play for teams like 91, Express, Dukes, and a few other Elite programs that are great players who will never get the recognition they deserve. Keep your kid grounded. School first and play lacrosse for the love of the game.

There is no doubt that what you say is 100% true, however, the ranking of HS players is no doubt a very interesting topic in the world of all sports, not just lacrosse. This is evidenced by the fact that everyone reads these lists and the thousands of opinions that are generated. Also, most of the people critical of these lists are the first ones to run to the websites to read them. LOL! Some of these kids that will be ranked will succeed and some won't. No revelation there. It's all entertainment folks! Not nearly as big of a world issue as some want to make it.

Exactly, and if those kids don't have the grades or scores when it is time to actually become admitted to college, they will be out of luck.

The lists are typically the most hyped players in the east, ignoring the kids who are breaking out in places like Colorado and California. I have a 2017 and have seen many a top 20 kid get beaten or scored on repeatedly by an unranked "nobody".

If your kid isn't ranked, all the better, why peak at freshman year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ladies and gentlemen for anyone who has played at the D1 level in college you go from being the big boy on campus to just another player as a freshmen. Competing against players for your position who could be as much as 4 to 5 years older than you. Do you have the work ethic, the mental toughness to last and make it? The luck to be injury free. I have known many players who were projected to be college studs and they have come no where close to meeting those projections. Then comes along a player that no one gave a second look at and they turn out to be an amazing college player. So if parents want to believe all the BS that Ty Xanders posts go right ahead. Most of his selections are good because these are the most heralded players in youth lacrosse. A lot changes from 9th grade to freshman year in college. Look at Rob Pannel, Smithtown to a PG year at Deerfield to Cornell. Only played varsity 3 years. Really peaked senior year and the PG at Deerfield. Would anyone consider Quinnipiac a major team? Nope. That's where he was headed after Smithtown. Please read and take these rankings for what they are, ways for Ty to get more hits to his website and make more money. Don't you think some of these elite programs have influence on who make the rankings. There a plenty of players who he has not seen and has no idea about. There are also those who don't play for teams like 91, Express, Dukes, and a few other Elite programs that are great players who will never get the recognition they deserve. Keep your kid grounded. School first and play lacrosse for the love of the game.

There is no doubt that what you say is 100% true, however, the ranking of HS players is no doubt a very interesting topic in the world of all sports, not just lacrosse. This is evidenced by the fact that everyone reads these lists and the thousands of opinions that are generated. Also, most of the people critical of these lists are the first ones to run to the websites to read them. LOL! Some of these kids that will be ranked will succeed and some won't. No revelation there. It's all entertainment folks! Not nearly as big of a world issue as some want to make it.

Exactly, and if those kids don't have the grades or scores when it is time to actually become admitted to college, they will be out of luck.

The lists are typically the most hyped players in the east, ignoring the kids who are breaking out in places like Colorado and California. I have a 2017 and have seen many a top 20 kid get beaten or scored on repeatedly by an unranked "nobody".

If your kid isn't ranked, all the better, why peak at freshman year?

Agree with most of what you say, however, just because kids are very good and ranked in freshman year doesn't mean they WON'T be very good when they are Srs. in HS or playing Div 1 lacrosse. There are many examples of kids who are great throughout their whole career as well as many who peaked early or who did not end up AA's. That is what makes it an interesting discussion for those who take all this too seriously. As with every class, we will all know in a few years.

another year and already my kids team is better then your kids team.

happy new year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ladies and gentlemen for anyone who has played at the D1 level in college you go from being the big boy on campus to just another player as a freshmen. Competing against players for your position who could be as much as 4 to 5 years older than you. Do you have the work ethic, the mental toughness to last and make it? The luck to be injury free. I have known many players who were projected to be college studs and they have come no where close to meeting those projections. Then comes along a player that no one gave a second look at and they turn out to be an amazing college player. So if parents want to believe all the BS that Ty Xanders posts go right ahead. Most of his selections are good because these are the most heralded players in youth lacrosse. A lot changes from 9th grade to freshman year in college. Look at Rob Pannel, Smithtown to a PG year at Deerfield to Cornell. Only played varsity 3 years. Really peaked senior year and the PG at Deerfield. Would anyone consider Quinnipiac a major team? Nope. That's where he was headed after Smithtown. Please read and take these rankings for what they are, ways for Ty to get more hits to his website and make more money. Don't you think some of these elite programs have influence on who make the rankings. There a plenty of players who he has not seen and has no idea about. There are also those who don't play for teams like 91, Express, Dukes, and a few other Elite programs that are great players who will never get the recognition they deserve. Keep your kid grounded. School first and play lacrosse for the love of the game.

There is no doubt that what you say is 100% true, however, the ranking of HS players is no doubt a very interesting topic in the world of all sports, not just lacrosse. This is evidenced by the fact that everyone reads these lists and the thousands of opinions that are generated. Also, most of the people critical of these lists are the first ones to run to the websites to read them. LOL! Some of these kids that will be ranked will succeed and some won't. No revelation there. It's all entertainment folks! Not nearly as big of a world issue as some want to make it.

Exactly, and if those kids don't have the grades or scores when it is time to actually become admitted to college, they will be out of luck.

The lists are typically the most hyped players in the east, ignoring the kids who are breaking out in places like Colorado and California. I have a 2017 and have seen many a top 20 kid get beaten or scored on repeatedly by an unranked "nobody".

If your kid isn't ranked, all the better, why peak at freshman year?

Agree with most of what you say, however, just because kids are very good and ranked in freshman year doesn't mean they WON'T be very good when they are Srs. in HS or playing Div 1 lacrosse. There are many examples of kids who are great throughout their whole career as well as many who peaked early or who did not end up AA's. That is what makes it an interesting discussion for those who take all this too seriously. As with every class, we will all know in a few years.

Have been watching this game with mine since 3rd grade when the first PAL games began. I understand that some kids will get better and some kids will get worse, but most of the best kids have been the best kids since they started playing all those years ago--at least in our town.

The true athletes will remain as such and for a 9th grader that was recruited early, the odds are in his favor to remain the best. These D-1 coaches are not stupid, they are recruiting early for the best athletes knowing full well that the majority of the best athletes will remain as such.

Of course there will be kids that come into their own later, but speed and athleticism are gifts that can't be trained and learned. Stick skills on the other hand will certainly evolve with time.

Mostly true, but speed and strength come along with puberty and physical maturity. If a college finishes their recruiting for the 2018 group before they are even sophomores then it is guaranteed that they will miss out on a ton of great players. You can go to any field and it is obvious which kids are early puberty kids or held back kids for that matter. If you actually look at all the kids talent and athleticism and not the 6 inch and 50 lb. physical difference you will see a lot of kids who will be just as good as the early commits when they mature. Rob Pannel is one of the best examples of this and they weren't recruiting this early back then. No telling who else might have slipped through the cracks!

this is why the mid majors can compete.its great for the game to have your bryants and marist,albany competing with the big boys.these guys are licking there chops with the late bloomers.

So true what you guys are saying. The late bloomers when it comes to physical maturity will make these teams better. I have seen it with myself being a late bloomer. In 8th and 9th grade all those boys who turned into men were better players. And when the late bloomers caught up physically, they are the ones who ended up being very good college players. And guess what some of those early studs became duds. I'm not saying all will turn out like this but it happens a lot.

Look at Hopkins with all those really early commits all these years. Lol haven't won anything. Yeah really good team but have trouble with some lower level division 1 teams. They get all these studs from 9th grade who are physically maturer then the other boys. I find this early recruiting laughable. These guys should wait after their sophmore year. Then they will see who is who.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at Hopkins with all those really early commits all these years. Lol haven't won anything. Yeah really good team but have trouble with some lower level division 1 teams. They get all these studs from 9th grade who are physically maturer then the other boys. I find this early recruiting laughable. These guys should wait after their sophmore year. Then they will see who is who.

They really should look at football. They wait until Sr. year! They make sure!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at Hopkins with all those really early commits all these years. Lol haven't won anything. Yeah really good team but have trouble with some lower level division 1 teams. They get all these studs from 9th grade who are physically maturer then the other boys. I find this early recruiting laughable. These guys should wait after their sophmore year. Then they will see who is who.

They really should look at football. They wait until Sr. year! They make sure!

Keep in mind Football awards 80 full scholarships. There are no partials in Football.

Here is an interesting article on early recruiting. http://laxallstars.com/the-future-of-recruiting-in-college-lacrosse/

The one thing not stated in that article--$. Most of the D-1 schools are not fully funded and even those that are only are allowed 12.5 scholarships per year. So, while I agree early verbal commits aren't the best thing for the entire population, for those that get good offers, it is better to get the potential money than wait around and hope you get noticed again...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The one thing not stated in that article--$. Most of the D-1 schools are not fully funded and even those that are only are allowed 12.5 scholarships per year. So, while I agree early verbal commits aren't the best thing for the entire population, for those that get good offers, it is better to get the potential money than wait around and hope you get noticed again...

For the kids it can be great! God Bless them! Take the money and run! Just be mind full that a lot can change in 4 years! Make sure you pick a school that you want to be at even if you never get in the starting line up. The other problem is that scholarships are year to year and while most schools now honor those throughout the 4 years, the frequency of them adjusting them down will become more prevalent the earlier the commits get. With only 12.5 scholarships you had better guess right and the younger the player is that is recruited the more chance there will be that they are wrong!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The one thing not stated in that article--$. Most of the D-1 schools are not fully funded and even those that are only are allowed 12.5 scholarships per year. So, while I agree early verbal commits aren't the best thing for the entire population, for those that get good offers, it is better to get the potential money than wait around and hope you get noticed again...

For the kids it can be great! God Bless them! Take the money and run! Just be mind full that a lot can change in 4 years! Make sure you pick a school that you want to be at even if you never get in the starting line up. The other problem is that scholarships are year to year and while most schools now honor those throughout the 4 years, the frequency of them adjusting them down will become more prevalent the earlier the commits get. With only 12.5 scholarships you had better guess right and the younger the player is that is recruited the more chance there will be that they are wrong!

what they do with kids that don't pan out is the ride their butts and ignore them for playing time until they quit or transfer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at Hopkins with all those really early commits all these years. Lol haven't won anything. Yeah really good team but have trouble with some lower level division 1 teams. They get all these studs from 9th grade who are physically maturer then the other boys. I find this early recruiting laughable. These guys should wait after their sophmore year. Then they will see who is who.

It is so twisted.....If a kid is a top player who, for whatever reason, doesn't have a commitment by sophomore year he starts to think he is some type of loser!

who do we hate more, Ty Xanders or Tom Brady? today is a lose lose

Just returned from UNC Freshmen Sophmore Select camp. Two observations.

Reclassified Players: Last year we saw the distinct disadvantage of not reclassifying as the reclasses were generally bigger and faster than their age appropriate classmates. What a difference a year makes!!! Nice to see how the 2000 birth year players have caught up to their 1999 born competition. Many of the reclasses looked past their prime. One semester of HS is a great age equalizer.

Comitted Players: The committed players were generally outplayed by their uncommitted peers. I guess when you are 14/15 and already know where you are going to attend college you are no longer hungry.

Yes,my kid is a sophmore,pretty good litte player, hasn't hit puberty yet.You just have to try to keep his confidence up.Promblem is I have not seen have you hit puberty question on any of the applications yet. Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes,my kid is a sophmore,pretty good litte player, hasn't hit puberty yet.You just have to try to keep his confidence up.Promblem is I have not seen have you hit puberty question on any of the applications yet. Lol

Hasn't hit puberty yet as a sophomore? It's more likely that you aren't satisfied with his maturation but that he is well into puberty and is not hairless like you think.

I think I can see is arm pits,nothing. not looking to argrue about this, just statring a fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just returned from UNC Freshmen Sophmore Select camp. Two observations.

Reclassified Players: Last year we saw the distinct disadvantage of not reclassifying as the reclasses were generally bigger and faster than their age appropriate classmates. What a difference a year makes!!! Nice to see how the 2000 birth year players have caught up to their 1999 born competition. Many of the reclasses looked past their prime. One semester of HS is a great age equalizer.

Comitted Players: The committed players were generally outplayed by their uncommitted peers. I guess when you are 14/15 and already know where you are going to attend college you are no longer hungry.

Why would committed players be there? Where there at lot of colleges there?

If he is 15 and hasn't reached puberty yet then something is wrong. How tall is he? How tall are you and your wife?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If he is 15 and hasn't reached puberty yet then something is wrong. How tall is he? How tall are you and your wife?

6'4 and did not grow until 11th grade! Nothing is wrong. Kids with late birthdays will develop later than holdbacks or early birthdays. How tall wife is irrelevant for when a kid hits puberty!

That was my point to being with, trying pick kids who are 14 and 15th years old. for a team 4 years later has alot of factors going into it. picking a team of seventeen years old for a team 2 years away would be alot easier.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at Hopkins with all those really early commits all these years. Lol haven't won anything. Yeah really good team but have trouble with some lower level division 1 teams. They get all these studs from 9th grade who are physically maturer then the other boys. I find this early recruiting laughable. These guys should wait after their sophmore year. Then they will see who is who.

They really should look at football. They wait until Sr. year! They make sure!

Keep in mind Football awards 80 full scholarships. There are no partials in Football.

That is laughable, football recruits as early as they can. In football the (3 star and over) student athlete decides where he wants to go and breaks verbals all the time. He is looking for his school even after he has verbaled to another. Verbals just get other school interested in a bonefide prospect.

No idiot has to do with your height. The guy said his son is 15 and hasn't reached puberty. Would like to know how tall is the kid now and how tall the parents are. That does make a difference when it comes to your sons height. I'm sure the kid us in the first stages of puberty.

Let me keep it simple, if you pick a team of the best 20 players after 9th grade, then pick a team after 11 grade do you think it would be the same 20 kids? I will not keep you hanging the answer is no.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me keep it simple, if you pick a team of the best 20 players after 9th grade, then pick a team after 11 grade do you think it would be the same 20 kids? I will not keep you hanging the answer is no.

Who is picking all 20. No one college is taking all 20. Colleges are taking 3/4 of these top students. Of the 20 I am sure 15 are still top prospects in 11th grade. Sure 5 or so may just get marginally better but for those who were able to recruit the players who remained the top players I think they would say it was worth it.

I agree with the article, in the near future for many reasons, I think the signing day will become the date we know where all the players are going.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me keep it simple, if you pick a team of the best 20 players after 9th grade, then pick a team after 11 grade do you think it would be the same 20 kids? I will not keep you hanging the answer is no.

Very good point! It would be way different!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at Hopkins with all those really early commits all these years. Lol haven't won anything. Yeah really good team but have trouble with some lower level division 1 teams. They get all these studs from 9th grade who are physically maturer then the other boys. I find this early recruiting laughable. These guys should wait after their sophmore year. Then they will see who is who.

They really should look at football. They wait until Sr. year! They make sure!

Exactly, but the kids really don't choose until their Senior or Junior year. Same thing will happen in lacrosse after these schools figure out that there are a lot of great kids out there who are not held back or are going to grow another foot!

Keep in mind Football awards 80 full scholarships. There are no partials in Football.

That is laughable, football recruits as early as they can. In football the (3 star and over) student athlete decides where he wants to go and breaks verbals all the time. He is looking for his school even after he has verbaled to another. Verbals just get other school interested in a bonefide prospect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No idiot has to do with your height. The guy said his son is 15 and hasn't reached puberty. Would like to know how tall is the kid now and how tall the parents are. That does make a difference when it comes to your sons height. I'm sure the kid us in the first stages of puberty.

Don't get so caught up on height. Juse read a great article about 5'5" soyosset senior who won mvp of the Dicks national tournament a few weeks ago. Be a a smart, skilled player. Kid ran circles around his six foot counterparts. That's what matters!

No. Agree with you. Time and time again many of the studs after 8th grade who are physically mature are not the studs in 12 th grade because some of their peers caught up to them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No idiot has to do with your height. The guy said his son is 15 and hasn't reached puberty. Would like to know how tall is the kid now and how tall the parents are. That does make a difference when it comes to your sons height. I'm sure the kid us in the first stages of puberty.

No idiot.....how tall parents are has nothing to do with puberty. Your doctor can let you know if you are having trouble recognizing signs. Height is relative. Most of the 14 and 15 year old kids on my sons team who reached puberty are the smaller kids on the team. They are done growing!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No. Agree with you. Time and time again many of the studs after 8th grade who are physically mature are not the studs in 12 th grade because some of their peers caught up to them.

I don't know what all you guys are seeing that I am not seeing.

While I agree the kids who went through puberty early sometimes don't continue to excel and other kids can sometimes catch up. But, in my 10 years watching my own kids play this sport and 4 others, the very best athletes tended to be the very best athletes all the way through HS.

I had one in this very best athlete category and two outside but strong players nonetheless.

I really think at this age, people need to be realistic, if your kid is a stud you know it. If your kid is not a stud and you find yourself making excuses--he is a late bloomer, he is playing against hold backs, the coaches don't give him enough opportunity...chances are strong he will not be playing D-1 athletics. But that is ok.

Believe me, having one playing at that level and one that didn't but will likely play club at his school and one now trying to get noticed just like most of your boys, it is not all it is cracked up to be. Now, I would never share that with my young boy, he will try hard and give it his best and do all the work, but we as a family will let the chips fall where they may without worrying about the fairness of the process or whether he plays D-1 lax.

Remember, average lax scholarships are around 25%. Some may get more but that means others will get less. If your kid is also top of his class (and depending on the school) he may also get some academic $. So a package of 50-75% is pretty good by today's standards. Most of you, like me, will not get any need based financial aid so it is academic and/or athletic only.

Worse than all that, which none of your club coaches will tell you, most D-1 programs are not fully funded and very few on the list are giving academic money. Check out the patriot league--Holy Cross, Colgate, Lafayette...not much in the way of lax or academic dollars to be found which is why they are not successful at early recruiting. They have no money so why would your stud commit?

Now if you are wealthy and your kid is a stud and also top of his class, Ivy is the way to go and lax very well may be your ticket in. However, this also has drawbacks and people tend to overestimate their kids intellect. Some of those Ivy profs aren't very keen on student athletes , so make sure your kid can do the work and make extra sure there is academic support...lots of boys don't make it through.

Remember, please remember, D-1 sport is a full time job. the kids time is accounted for from the time they wake up till head hits pillow, it is simply not for everyone. There is life after lax even though most of us have been brainwashed to believe if ours isn't playing D-1, we did something wrong or that the system wasn't fair.

Let the chips fall where they may and don't put so much pressure on your kid or yourself.

As for early recruiting, these guys have been watching lax for years, if they want your kid to commit to their school, and you and your boy like the school and the coach, go ahead, you have nothing to lose. You can always change your mind and use your offer as a chip for the next one. That is the way to play this game...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No. Agree with you. Time and time again many of the studs after 8th grade who are physically mature are not the studs in 12 th grade because some of their peers caught up to them.

I don't know what all you guys are seeing that I am not seeing.

While I agree the kids who went through puberty early sometimes don't continue to excel and other kids can sometimes catch up. But, in my 10 years watching my own kids play this sport and 4 others, the very best athletes tended to be the very best athletes all the way through HS.

I had one in this very best athlete category and two outside but strong players nonetheless.

I really think at this age, people need to be realistic, if your kid is a stud you know it. If your kid is not a stud and you find yourself making excuses--he is a late bloomer, he is playing against hold backs, the coaches don't give him enough opportunity...chances are strong he will not be playing D-1 athletics. But that is ok.

Believe me, having one playing at that level and one that didn't but will likely play club at his school and one now trying to get noticed just like most of your boys, it is not all it is cracked up to be. Now, I would never share that with my young boy, he will try hard and give it his best and do all the work, but we as a family will let the chips fall where they may without worrying about the fairness of the process or whether he plays D-1 lax.

Remember, average lax scholarships are around 25%. Some may get more but that means others will get less. If your kid is also top of his class (and depending on the school) he may also get some academic $. So a package of 50-75% is pretty good by today's standards. Most of you, like me, will not get any need based financial aid so it is academic and/or athletic only.

Worse than all that, which none of your club coaches will tell you, most D-1 programs are not fully funded and very few on the list are giving academic money. Check out the patriot league--Holy Cross, Colgate, Lafayette...not much in the way of lax or academic dollars to be found which is why they are not successful at early recruiting. They have no money so why would your stud commit?

Now if you are wealthy and your kid is a stud and also top of his class, Ivy is the way to go and lax very well may be your ticket in. However, this also has drawbacks and people tend to overestimate their kids intellect. Some of those Ivy profs aren't very keen on student athletes , so make sure your kid can do the work and make extra sure there is academic support...lots of boys don't make it through.

Remember, please remember, D-1 sport is a full time job. the kids time is accounted for from the time they wake up till head hits pillow, it is simply not for everyone. There is life after lax even though most of us have been brainwashed to believe if ours isn't playing D-1, we did something wrong or that the system wasn't fair.

Let the chips fall where they may and don't put so much pressure on your kid or yourself.

As for early recruiting, these guys have been watching lax for years, if they want your kid to commit to their school, and you and your boy like the school and the coach, go ahead, you have nothing to lose. You can always change your mind and use your offer as a chip for the next one. That is the way to play this game...

^^^^ Thoughtful posts like the above certainly make BOTC worth reading (although I love some of the LI insults too).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No idiot has to do with your height. The guy said his son is 15 and hasn't reached puberty. Would like to know how tall is the kid now and how tall the parents are. That does make a difference when it comes to your sons height. I'm sure the kid us in the first stages of puberty.

Don't get so caught up on height. Juse read a great article about 5'5" soyosset senior who won mvp of the Dicks national tournament a few weeks ago. Be a a smart, skilled player. Kid ran circles around his six foot counterparts. That's what matters!

Could not be more on target. My son is a big kid, he was taught by a smart coach at an early age to use his speed not his size. Great advise that has worked well for him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If he is 15 and hasn't reached puberty yet then something is wrong. How tall is he? How tall are you and your wife?

6'4 and did not grow until 11th grade! Nothing is wrong. Kids with late birthdays will develop later than holdbacks or early birthdays. How tall wife is irrelevant for when a kid hits puberty!

One of my work colleagues has a son who plays football at Vanderbilt...not the super big time, but a D1 school. He told me that nearly every coacch who started to recruit his son around 15 years old asked "how tall are your parents, aunts and uncles?" and "did your parents or any of their siblings play college sports?, if so, what and where?"

I always think about that on the sidelines here in Maryland. I have an older HS son who went through the whole club and schools scene, and I was always amazed to look at what were the U-15 top shelf kids, then I'd look at their parents and think, woah, that won't work. Dads who maybe played a little HS sports and Moms who look like they might have done some gardening for exercise is all. I've tracked these thoughts now that these kids are older, and many are committed to top D1 lacrosse schools, and it is pretty clear I was right. The parents and older siblings are almost always a perfect tell for what the kids look like as they even out to fully grown and are who they are size and athletic wise. If I were a D1 lacrosse coach compelled to recruit early, I'd recruit the U-15 players who could play but also look for kids who had parents who were accomplished athletes as well. If you are going to project, that is a great hedge.

Don't get so caught up on height. Juse read a great article about 5'5" soyosset senior who won mvp of the Dicks national tournament a few weeks ago. Be a a smart, skilled player. Kid ran circles around his six foot counterparts. That's what matters! [/quote]

You're caught up a bit in yester-year I think. With the growth of lacrosse you will see more athleticism in the game. A 5'5 attack man isn't going to run around any high level D1 pole anymore because they are all starting to body type out at 6'2 - 6'5 with skill handling a 6 foot shaft. As lacrosse grows as a sport coaches will target both skill and physicality like they do in other real sports. I am sure somewhere on Long Island you could tell me all about a 5'10 and 210 lb linebacker who never misses tackles and is smart on blitzes. He can't play his sport in D1 either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No. Agree with you. Time and time again many of the studs after 8th grade who are physically mature are not the studs in 12 th grade because some of their peers caught up to them.

I don't know what all you guys are seeing that I am not seeing.

While I agree the kids who went through puberty early sometimes don't continue to excel and other kids can sometimes catch up. But, in my 10 years watching my own kids play this sport and 4 others, the very best athletes tended to be the very best athletes all the way through HS.

I had one in this very best athlete category and two outside but strong players nonetheless.

I really think at this age, people need to be realistic, if your kid is a stud you know it. If your kid is not a stud and you find yourself making excuses--he is a late bloomer, he is playing against hold backs, the coaches don't give him enough opportunity...chances are strong he will not be playing D-1 athletics. But that is ok.

Believe me, having one playing at that level and one that didn't but will likely play club at his school and one now trying to get noticed just like most of your boys, it is not all it is cracked up to be. Now, I would never share that with my young boy, he will try hard and give it his best and do all the work, but we as a family will let the chips fall where they may without worrying about the fairness of the process or whether he plays D-1 lax.

Remember, average lax scholarships are around 25%. Some may get more but that means others will get less. If your kid is also top of his class (and depending on the school) he may also get some academic $. So a package of 50-75% is pretty good by today's standards. Most of you, like me, will not get any need based financial aid so it is academic and/or athletic only.

Worse than all that, which none of your club coaches will tell you, most D-1 programs are not fully funded and very few on the list are giving academic money. Check out the patriot league--Holy Cross, Colgate, Lafayette...not much in the way of lax or academic dollars to be found which is why they are not successful at early recruiting. They have no money so why would your stud commit?

Now if you are wealthy and your kid is a stud and also top of his class, Ivy is the way to go and lax very well may be your ticket in. However, this also has drawbacks and people tend to overestimate their kids intellect. Some of those Ivy profs aren't very keen on student athletes , so make sure your kid can do the work and make extra sure there is academic support...lots of boys don't make it through.

Remember, please remember, D-1 sport is a full time job. the kids time is accounted for from the time they wake up till head hits pillow, it is simply not for everyone. There is life after lax even though most of us have been brainwashed to believe if ours isn't playing D-1, we did something wrong or that the system wasn't fair.

Let the chips fall where they may and don't put so much pressure on your kid or yourself.

As for early recruiting, these guys have been watching lax for years, if they want your kid to commit to their school, and you and your boy like the school and the coach, go ahead, you have nothing to lose. You can always change your mind and use your offer as a chip for the next one. That is the way to play this game...

^^^^ Thoughtful posts like the above certainly make BOTC worth reading (although I love some of the LI insults too).

Amen

Remember, average lax scholarships are around 25%. Some may get more but that means others will get less. If your kid is also top of his class (and depending on the school) he may also get some academic $. So a package of 50-75% is pretty good by today's standards. Most of you, like me, will not get any need based financial aid so it is academic and/or athletic only.
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You're obviously well informed. Do you have a well informed guess on how many D1 teams are fully funded? Service academies and Ivy are not relevant in this, so the sample size drops to about 55 programs. 5 in ACC, 6 in Big 10, Denver makes a clean dozen. Is that it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Remember, average lax scholarships are around 25%. Some may get more but that means others will get less. If your kid is also top of his class (and depending on the school) he may also get some academic $. So a package of 50-75% is pretty good by today's standards. Most of you, like me, will not get any need based financial aid so it is academic and/or athletic only.

You're obviously well informed. Do you have a well informed guess on how many D1 teams are fully funded? Service academies and Ivy are not relevant in this, so the sample size drops to about 55 programs. 5 in ACC, 6 in Big 10, Denver makes a clean dozen. Is that it? [/quote]

Not the original poster, but I think you can find this information along with whether a particular school gives academic money, on the school website.

mine committed early and that is how we parsed through schools that we would focus on. for us, money was important and I can echo original poster's comments on how much is available for a D-1 kid. I often hear about the kids that got a full ride, but the reality is that a full ride for lax is almost impossible.

My son is going to the 3d Jake Reed event in Arizona in two weeks. Can someone that has been to one of the first two weekends in Florida let us know what to expect? Thank You.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't get so caught up on height. Juse read a great article about 5'5" soyosset senior who won mvp of the Dicks national tournament a few weeks ago. Be a a smart, skilled player. Kid ran circles around his six foot counterparts. That's what matters!

I wish D1 coaches would open their eyes and realize that 6'3" defenders simply cannot cover 5'6" attackmen. You cannot play lacrosse looking down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If he is 15 and hasn't reached puberty yet then something is wrong. How tall is he? How tall are you and your wife?

6'4 and did not grow until 11th grade! Nothing is wrong. Kids with late birthdays will develop later than holdbacks or early birthdays. How tall wife is irrelevant for when a kid hits puberty!

One of my work colleagues has a son who plays football at Vanderbilt...not the super big time, but a D1 school. He told me that nearly every coacch who started to recruit his son around 15 years old asked "how tall are your parents, aunts and uncles?" and "did your parents or any of their siblings play college sports?, if so, what and where?"

I always think about that on the sidelines here in Maryland. I have an older HS son who went through the whole club and schools scene, and I was always amazed to look at what were the U-15 top shelf kids, then I'd look at their parents and think, woah, that won't work. Dads who maybe played a little HS sports and Moms who look like they might have done some gardening for exercise is all. I've tracked these thoughts now that these kids are older, and many are committed to top D1 lacrosse schools, and it is pretty clear I was right. The parents and older siblings are almost always a perfect tell for what the kids look like as they even out to fully grown and are who they are size and athletic wise. If I were a D1 lacrosse coach compelled to recruit early, I'd recruit the U-15 players who could play but also look for kids who had parents who were accomplished athletes as well. If you are going to project, that is a great hedge.

Perhaps they should bust out the weegie board or magic eight ball as well. That might be the stupidest commentary ever... I have seen many parents with ZERO athletic ability produce great athletes... I've also seen some of dumbest people on earth produce Ivy League quality students... Conversely, I've seen Lacrosse Superstars produce kids that couldn't play HS ball let alone at any level in college. One really has nothing to do with the other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Remember, average lax scholarships are around 25%. Some may get more but that means others will get less. If your kid is also top of his class (and depending on the school) he may also get some academic $. So a package of 50-75% is pretty good by today's standards. Most of you, like me, will not get any need based financial aid so it is academic and/or athletic only.

You're obviously well informed. Do you have a well informed guess on how many D1 teams are fully funded? Service academies and Ivy are not relevant in this, so the sample size drops to about 55 programs. 5 in ACC, 6 in Big 10, Denver makes a clean dozen. Is that it? [/quote]

there are others - Loyola, Delaware, Umass, UMBC, Towson, Gtown I believe have the full 12.6. Other I'm sure. I would think most of the new programs like highpoint, Richmond, furman are too. you would think ADs would due their due diligence and know that can't be competitive without scholarships or being academic elite like ivy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't get so caught up on height. Juse read a great article about 5'5" soyosset senior who won mvp of the Dicks national tournament a few weeks ago. Be a a smart, skilled player. Kid ran circles around his six foot counterparts. That's what matters!

You're caught up a bit in yester-year I think. With the growth of lacrosse you will see more athleticism in the game. A 5'5 attack man isn't going to run around any high level D1 pole anymore because they are all starting to body type out at 6'2 - 6'5 with skill handling a 6 foot shaft. As lacrosse grows as a sport coaches will target both skill and physicality like they do in other real sports. I am sure somewhere on Long Island you could tell me all about a 5'10 and 210 lb linebacker who never misses tackles and is smart on blitzes. He can't play his sport in D1 either.[/quote]

Rob Pannell, Will Manny. Maybe a little taller than 5'5 but they are among the best. you have to be tough as nails and crazy good but still places for under 6 feet at the top levels of lax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't get so caught up on height. Juse read a great article about 5'5" soyosset senior who won mvp of the Dicks national tournament a few weeks ago. Be a a smart, skilled player. Kid ran circles around his six foot counterparts. That's what matters!

I wish D1 coaches would open their eyes and realize that 6'3" defenders simply cannot cover 5'6" attackmen. You cannot play lacrosse looking down.

Good ones can... and that's what D1 coaches want. As a former defenseman I'll tell you that big and quick beats small and quick every day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't get so caught up on height. Juse read a great article about 5'5" soyosset senior who won mvp of the Dicks national tournament a few weeks ago. Be a a smart, skilled player. Kid ran circles around his six foot counterparts. That's what matters!

You're caught up a bit in yester-year I think. With the growth of lacrosse you will see more athleticism in the game. A 5'5 attack man isn't going to run around any high level D1 pole anymore because they are all starting to body type out at 6'2 - 6'5 with skill handling a 6 foot shaft. As lacrosse grows as a sport coaches will target both skill and physicality like they do in other real sports. I am sure somewhere on Long Island you could tell me all about a 5'10 and 210 lb linebacker who never misses tackles and is smart on blitzes. He can't play his sport in D1 either.

Rob Pannell, Will Manny. Maybe a little taller than 5'5 but they are among the best. you have to be tough as nails and crazy good but still places for under 6 feet at the top levels of lax [/quote]

The soyosset mvp played against top ranked D1 commits. Many of whom were well over 6'. They were unable to shut him down. Just saying!

Pannell is 5'10 and Manny is 5'9. Those are examples of gritty, albiet already undersized in the new order, lacrosse attackmen. Remember, the MLL you see today or and the college game you see today is the product of hotbed only kids who came up BEFORE the game blew up in other geographic regions. Taking it down to 5'5 is an extreme of the extremes for the Pannell / Manny generation, and now in the college game Sankey and Cavanaugh may be the last of the waterbugs. This is just my guess, maybe you are right with a point that this game can be played where a high IQ and fast kid that small can still play with poles 9-12 inches taller. And that whole can't play lacrosse looking down at the chest of a defender is pretty silly. Those lacrosse All-Americans of yester-year wouldn't be D1 prospects today.

I did make the genetics comment. Obviously some disagree, and of course some great athletes are born into non-athlete families. My point was insofar as early recruiting is concerned, D1 lacrosse coaches seem to be off the grid too far grabbing those lights out little U-15 kids whose parents are also unathletic twerps. If you are going to project, do it with some better data. But maybe you and the college lacrosse coaches are all right, and the football recruiters from SEC, Big 10, Pac 12, etc have it all wrong and size, strength, speed taken together as a baseline have absolutely nothing to do with it.

And to be perfectly fair, a lot of defensive lacrosse dads who played some a generation ago love to point out about junior's lacrosse pedigree, IQ he inherited from pops are a principal reason why colleges should only recruit from LI or MD. You think your kids inherit lacrosse brains but not your physical make-ups? Stand up on a couple of phone books and answer that one for us. We'd love to hear again about how lacrosse IQ and being sired by someone who played for SUNY Bingo back in the day somehow translates but the physical attributes do not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't get so caught up on height. Juse read a great article about 5'5" soyosset senior who won mvp of the Dicks national tournament a few weeks ago. Be a a smart, skilled player. Kid ran circles around his six foot counterparts. That's what matters!

You're caught up a bit in yester-year I think. With the growth of lacrosse you will see more athleticism in the game. A 5'5 attack man isn't going to run around any high level D1 pole anymore because they are all starting to body type out at 6'2 - 6'5 with skill handling a 6 foot shaft. As lacrosse grows as a sport coaches will target both skill and physicality like they do in other real sports. I am sure somewhere on Long Island you could tell me all about a 5'10 and 210 lb linebacker who never misses tackles and is smart on blitzes. He can't play his sport in D1 either.

Rob Pannell, Will Manny. Maybe a little taller than 5'5 but they are among the best. you have to be tough as nails and crazy good but still places for under 6 feet at the top levels of lax [/quote]

5'10" and 5'9" respectively. Not short guys. I think the 6+ foot comment was meant for defensemen though.

Jordan wolf 5'8"
Josh Dionne 5'7"
Both were major contributors and top point leaders for Duke. Which has arguably the best D1 lax progrsm. So stop your nonsense about size. Lax is about skill, agility, and attitude. There are plenty more examples of extremely successful lacrosse players that are on the shorter side!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jordan wolf 5'8"
Josh Dionne 5'7"
Both were major contributors and top point leaders for Duke. Which has arguably the best D1 lax progrsm. So stop your nonsense about size. Lax is about skill, agility, and attitude. There are plenty more examples of extremely successful lacrosse players that are on the shorter side!

How about Matt Kavanagh - listed at 5'8" probably closer to to 5'6" - leading scorer at ND?

Soyosset kid is committed/signed to Hopkins, not too shabby! Seems like the big programs are taking some shorter kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't get so caught up on height. Juse read a great article about 5'5" soyosset senior who won mvp of the Dicks national tournament a few weeks ago. Be a a smart, skilled player. Kid ran circles around his six foot counterparts. That's what matters!

You're caught up a bit in yester-year I think. With the growth of lacrosse you will see more athleticism in the game. A 5'5 attack man isn't going to run around any high level D1 pole anymore because they are all starting to body type out at 6'2 - 6'5 with skill handling a 6 foot shaft. As lacrosse grows as a sport coaches will target both skill and physicality like they do in other real sports. I am sure somewhere on Long Island you could tell me all about a 5'10 and 210 lb linebacker who never misses tackles and is smart on blitzes. He can't play his sport in D1 either.[/quote]
I can also point out that that there are not many 6'2" -6'5" football players who can cover Darren Sproles out of the backfield or Wes Welker in the slot! It is all about match ups and all those Athletic, Huge monsters will still trip over themselves because they can't change direction with the "little" guys! The bottom line is if you CAN play you WILL play! No matter what your size is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't get so caught up on height. Juse read a great article about 5'5" soyosset senior who won mvp of the Dicks national tournament a few weeks ago. Be a a smart, skilled player. Kid ran circles around his six foot counterparts. That's what matters!

I wish D1 coaches would open their eyes and realize that 6'3" defenders simply cannot cover 5'6" attackmen. You cannot play lacrosse looking down.

Good ones can... and that's what D1 coaches want. As a former defenseman I'll tell you that big and quick beats small and quick every day.

That is True and that is why Calvin Johnson has been the best receiver in the NFL, But there are not going to be many 6'3" white boys from Long Island with the quickness of a 5'8" kid. Fact!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pannell is 5'10 and Manny is 5'9. Those are examples of gritty, albiet already undersized in the new order, lacrosse attackmen. Remember, the MLL you see today or and the college game you see today is the product of hotbed only kids who came up BEFORE the game blew up in other geographic regions. Taking it down to 5'5 is an extreme of the extremes for the Pannell / Manny generation, and now in the college game Sankey and Cavanaugh may be the last of the waterbugs. This is just my guess, maybe you are right with a point that this game can be played where a high IQ and fast kid that small can still play with poles 9-12 inches taller. And that whole can't play lacrosse looking down at the chest of a defender is pretty silly. Those lacrosse All-Americans of yester-year wouldn't be D1 prospects today.

I did make the genetics comment. Obviously some disagree, and of course some great athletes are born into non-athlete families. My point was insofar as early recruiting is concerned, D1 lacrosse coaches seem to be off the grid too far grabbing those lights out little U-15 kids whose parents are also unathletic twerps. If you are going to project, do it with some better data. But maybe you and the college lacrosse coaches are all right, and the football recruiters from SEC, Big 10, Pac 12, etc have it all wrong and size, strength, speed taken together as a baseline have absolutely nothing to do with it.

And to be perfectly fair, a lot of defensive lacrosse dads who played some a generation ago love to point out about junior's lacrosse pedigree, IQ he inherited from pops are a principal reason why colleges should only recruit from LI or MD. You think your kids inherit lacrosse brains but not your physical make-ups? Stand up on a couple of phone books and answer that one for us. We'd love to hear again about how lacrosse IQ and being sired by someone who played for SUNY Bingo back in the day somehow translates but the physical attributes do not.

I will take it a step further for all of you ex Lax studs from yesteryear, Most schools (aside from Manhasset,GC and WM) lacrosse was a sport played by kids who didn't make the baseball team! You were most likely way down on the athletic totem pole in your school! I am not saying there were NO good athletes who played lax but the majority were flat out baseball rejects! So you can tell anyone you want how great you were against the other cast off's, but YOU know how it really was back then!

I'm 5'8" and I met will manny. No more then 5'7"

Went to farmingdale and since I can remember This town has been football players playing lacrosse. Not kids cut from the baseball team. I could say the same about most of the towns I played against also. Your theory is false. Baseball has never been or never will be the #1 spring sport on Long Island. That is a fact.

Couldn't agree more..Kavanaugh most exciting attackman in country not named Thompson last year..it's about the heart not the height

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Went to farmingdale and since I can remember This town has been football players playing lacrosse. Not kids cut from the baseball team. I could say the same about most of the towns I played against also. Your theory is false. Baseball has never been or never will be the #1 spring sport on Long Island. That is a fact.

Uou must have went to high school after 1990! Half the High Schools didn't even have Lacrosse in the 70's and 80's!

As main stream as you think lax is, it's not football or hoops. Speed and stick skills trump everything. If you have size along with all that great. There will always be a range of sizes in the game.

All about heart! Those 6'2" 6'4" defenseman do have a hard time against those 5'6 to 5'9" attack. Sorry Sankey is 5'5". Guys can't hang with him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaWarAE8Ysw&sns=em

ND coaches view on it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Couldn't agree more..Kavanaugh most exciting attackman in country not named Thompson last year..it's about the heart not the height

I vote Kevin Rice over Kav

Originally Posted by Anonymous

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaWarAE8Ysw&sns=em

ND coaches view on it

Maybe he should talk to the Duke coach!!! Things seemed to work a lot better for him with the shorties!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pannell is 5'10 and Manny is 5'9. Those are examples of gritty, albiet already undersized in the new order, lacrosse attackmen. Remember, the MLL you see today or and the college game you see today is the product of hotbed only kids who came up BEFORE the game blew up in other geographic regions. Taking it down to 5'5 is an extreme of the extremes for the Pannell / Manny generation, and now in the college game Sankey and Cavanaugh may be the last of the waterbugs. This is just my guess, maybe you are right with a point that this game can be played where a high IQ and fast kid that small can still play with poles 9-12 inches taller. And that whole can't play lacrosse looking down at the chest of a defender is pretty silly. Those lacrosse All-Americans of yester-year wouldn't be D1 prospects today.

I did make the genetics comment. Obviously some disagree, and of course some great athletes are born into non-athlete families. My point was insofar as early recruiting is concerned, D1 lacrosse coaches seem to be off the grid too far grabbing those lights out little U-15 kids whose parents are also unathletic twerps. If you are going to project, do it with some better data. But maybe you and the college lacrosse coaches are all right, and the football recruiters from SEC, Big 10, Pac 12, etc have it all wrong and size, strength, speed taken together as a baseline have absolutely nothing to do with it.

And to be perfectly fair, a lot of defensive lacrosse dads who played some a generation ago love to point out about junior's lacrosse pedigree, IQ he inherited from pops are a principal reason why colleges should only recruit from LI or MD. You think your kids inherit lacrosse brains but not your physical make-ups? Stand up on a couple of phone books and answer that one for us. We'd love to hear again about how lacrosse IQ and being sired by someone who played for SUNY Bingo back in the day somehow translates but the physical attributes do not.

I will take it a step further for all of you ex Lax studs from yesteryear, Most schools (aside from Manhasset,GC and WM) lacrosse was a sport played by kids who didn't make the baseball team! You were most likely way down on the athletic totem pole in your school! I am not saying there were NO good athletes who played lax but the majority were flat out baseball rejects! So you can tell anyone you want how great you were against the other cast off's, but YOU know how it really was back then!

The lax studs at WM all played football as well in the early 80s. Fact. And the 5'5" soyosset attackman committed to Hopkins was also a STUD running back on state champ soyosset football team. BAM!

You're delusional. 95% of high schools had lacrosse in the 80's you sound silly now. Guess you were a baseball player.

Hopkins recently recruited 5'5"Fogo from Whitman. They say he's one of the best on the Island

3d Anyone????

Many of you who have attended with your older sons, please enlighten me/us.

[quote=Anonymous]3d Anyone????

Many of you who have attended with your older sons, please enlighten me/us.

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Money grabbing at its best.
Take the money and buy powerball tickets.

3d is a waste of time and money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hopkins recently recruited 5'5"Fogo from Whitman. They say he's one of the best on the Island

He is one of the best. There are two others at the same level, one from the city that plays for 91 and one from express. I think all three are already committed (with 91 kid going to Duke but not announced).

What will happen to Lacrosse in D-1.

http://shar.es/1bfDf5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]3d Anyone????

Many of you who have attended with your older sons, please enlighten me/us.

[/quote

Money grabbing at its best.
Take the money and buy powerball tickets.

If you can get a direct invite , go! Otherwise, big money grab!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]3d Anyone????

Many of you who have attended with your older sons, please enlighten me/us.

[/quote

Money grabbing at its best.
Take the money and buy powerball tickets.

If you can get a direct invite , go! Otherwise, big money grab!

Many of the 2018 kids who went to Jake Reed last year did not get a direct invite, the system is broken. 3d Blue Chip is well run and fun as long as the weather is warm. Let's stop this nonsense about 'money grab', what organzation isn't trying to make money when they run a business.

Mine attended the 3d Florida try outs last year and was good enough to be one of the boys chosen to JR blue chip this past summer. He attended last year and this year received a direct invite to JR blue chip. We declined the event because he is going to Mav showtime and we see no reason to go to both.

Just my opinion, but I wasn't overly impressed with JR Blue chip last year for the money we spent. $600 and we saw all those same college coaches on the sidelines this fall with club team. Not really well organized and playing time really left up to the boys.

Same for Philly fresh showcase a couple of months back. All these events seemed to have cashed in.

Hope that M showtime is better but I am a skeptic...

For my money, prospect days at schools your kid is interested in seem to be the best use of $.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]3d Anyone????

Many of you who have attended with your older sons, please enlighten me/us.

[/quote

Money grabbing at its best.
Take the money and buy powerball tickets.

And love the link in the middle of this debate noting that college athletic departments are facing a fiscal crisis for non-revenue sports. I read that and think that any 2018 parent who gets his money spend on youth / club lacrosse back via a college lacrosse scholarship is quite the lucky one. At least when we were all stupid enough to buy a .com stock in the 1990s we had some irrational shot at making money. Here it seems like we can all see a money crash clearly and are steering toward it. I wonder how many lacrosse players on a roster of 45 are walk ons or basically walk ons...are getting a couple grand only to say scholarshipped. Half?

If you can get a direct invite , go! Otherwise, big money grab!

Many of the 2018 kids who went to Jake Reed last year did not get a direct invite, the system is broken. 3d Blue Chip is well run and fun as long as the weather is warm. Let's stop this nonsense about 'money grab', what organzation isn't trying to make money when they run a business.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]3d Anyone????

Many of you who have attended with your older sons, please enlighten me/us.

[/quote

Money grabbing at its best.
Take the money and buy powerball tickets.

And love the link in the middle of this debate noting that college athletic departments are facing a fiscal crisis for non-revenue sports. I read that and think that any 2018 parent who gets his money spend on youth / club lacrosse back via a college lacrosse scholarship is quite the lucky one. At least when we were all stupid enough to buy a .com stock in the 1990s we had some irrational shot at making money. Here it seems like we can all see a money crash clearly and are steering toward it. I wonder how many lacrosse players on a roster of 45 are walk ons or basically walk ons...are getting a couple grand only to say scholarshipped. Half?

If you can get a direct invite , go! Otherwise, big money grab!

Many of the 2018 kids who went to Jake Reed last year did not get a direct invite, the system is broken. 3d Blue Chip is well run and fun as long as the weather is warm. Let's stop this nonsense about 'money grab', what organzation isn't trying to make money when they run a business.

Non for profit ones. Which many of these clubs "claim" to be!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]3d Anyone????

Many of you who have attended with your older sons, please enlighten me/us.

[/quote

Money grabbing at its best.
Take the money and buy powerball tickets.

And love the link in the middle of this debate noting that college athletic departments are facing a fiscal crisis for non-revenue sports. I read that and think that any 2018 parent who gets his money spend on youth / club lacrosse back via a college lacrosse scholarship is quite the lucky one. At least when we were all stupid enough to buy a .com stock in the 1990s we had some irrational shot at making money. Here it seems like we can all see a money crash clearly and are steering toward it. I wonder how many lacrosse players on a roster of 45 are walk ons or basically walk ons...are getting a couple grand only to say scholarshipped. Half?

If you can get a direct invite , go! Otherwise, big money grab!

Many of the 2018 kids who went to Jake Reed last year did not get a direct invite, the system is broken. 3d Blue Chip is well run and fun as long as the weather is warm. Let's stop this nonsense about 'money grab', what organzation isn't trying to make money when they run a business.

Non for profit ones. Which many of these clubs "claim" to be!

I am aware of only a few claiming to be nonprofit, but you have to remember, that too is a business.

To help you understand more clearly:
"The fundamental difference between nonprofit organizations and their profit-making counterparts is that nonprofits tend to take a greater portion of their compensation from easier working conditions, more time off, favors and under-the-table payments. Profit-making organizations take a greater portion of their compensation in cash, except those that are highly regulated. In the profit-making world, there is much greater monitoring of the behavior of people who act for the organization. Profit-making organizations have a financial bottom line they must meet, or sooner or later, heads will roll. Not so with nonprofits, which have no bottom line to meet. On top of that, incompetence for nonprofits means bigger budgets, higher pay and less oversight." -Walter Williams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What will happen to Lacrosse in D-1.

http://shar.es/1bfDf5

Don't you mean, how will this impact D1 Lacrosse?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]3d Anyone????

Many of you who have attended with your older sons, please enlighten me/us.

[/quote

Money grabbing at its best.
Take the money and buy powerball tickets.

And love the link in the middle of this debate noting that college athletic departments are facing a fiscal crisis for non-revenue sports. I read that and think that any 2018 parent who gets his money spend on youth / club lacrosse back via a college lacrosse scholarship is quite the lucky one. At least when we were all stupid enough to buy a .com stock in the 1990s we had some irrational shot at making money. Here it seems like we can all see a money crash clearly and are steering toward it. I wonder how many lacrosse players on a roster of 45 are walk ons or basically walk ons...are getting a couple grand only to say scholarshipped. Half?

If you can get a direct invite , go! Otherwise, big money grab!

Many of the 2018 kids who went to Jake Reed last year did not get a direct invite, the system is broken. 3d Blue Chip is well run and fun as long as the weather is warm. Let's stop this nonsense about 'money grab', what organzation isn't trying to make money when they run a business.

Non for profit ones. Which many of these clubs "claim" to be!

Its actually pretty easy to market as a "non for profit" but in reality be a for profit business. Most of time this is done when the "non for profit" enters into a contract with a mgmt company charges big fees for helping run the business or provide other services. Both the non for profit and the mgmt co are run by the same people. Crabs does this

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What will happen to Lacrosse in D-1.

http://shar.es/1bfDf5

Don't you mean, how will this impact D1 Lacrosse?

This will be very bad for D1 lacrosse. Basically, the divide between haves and have nots will widen with more discretion to the conferences. The money is huge, but now college football inc. and college basketball inc. are saying they want more controls over the pot and will take the amateur notion out of the equation and pay players a stipend. If any of you ever played a D1 sport you know exactly what that means. Football and basketball bakes everyone's bread and butter it too. Non revenue sports are going to be acutely affected by that because there is no tier of urgency to take care of some volleyball, soccer or lacrosse player. It sounds more like kill or be killed now, so if lacrosse can figure out a revenue model like the article implies...sell tickets, swag, fund raise endowments for specific programs, etc. ...then great. If not, in the real case your sons can look forward to what it was like being a non-revenue athlete in the 1980s. Long bus rides, lots and lots of Holiday Inns and barely passable TGI Fridays meals on the road. There will be exceptions at some big ACC or Big10 type places, but in general college lacrosse will be a grander version of high school lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What will happen to Lacrosse in D-1.

http://shar.es/1bfDf5

Don't you mean, how will this impact D1 Lacrosse?

This will be very bad for D1 lacrosse. Basically, the divide between haves and have nots will widen with more discretion to the conferences. The money is huge, but now college football inc. and college basketball inc. are saying they want more controls over the pot and will take the amateur notion out of the equation and pay players a stipend. If any of you ever played a D1 sport you know exactly what that means. Football and basketball bakes everyone's bread and butter it too. Non revenue sports are going to be acutely affected by that because there is no tier of urgency to take care of some volleyball, soccer or lacrosse player. It sounds more like kill or be killed now, so if lacrosse can figure out a revenue model like the article implies...sell tickets, swag, fund raise endowments for specific programs, etc. ...then great. If not, in the real case your sons can look forward to what it was like being a non-revenue athlete in the 1980s. Long bus rides, lots and lots of Holiday Inns and barely passable TGI Fridays meals on the road. There will be exceptions at some big ACC or Big10 type places, but in general college lacrosse will be a grander version of high school lacrosse.

TGI Fridays? Bagged lunches for a dinner. Maybe the hosting school invites you to their dinning hall. Make sure you play the service academies they used to know how to host a visiting team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What will happen to Lacrosse in D-1.

http://shar.es/1bfDf5

Don't you mean, how will this impact D1 Lacrosse?

This will be very bad for D1 lacrosse. Basically, the divide between haves and have nots will widen with more discretion to the conferences. The money is huge, but now college football inc. and college basketball inc. are saying they want more controls over the pot and will take the amateur notion out of the equation and pay players a stipend. If any of you ever played a D1 sport you know exactly what that means. Football and basketball bakes everyone's bread and butter it too. Non revenue sports are going to be acutely affected by that because there is no tier of urgency to take care of some volleyball, soccer or lacrosse player. It sounds more like kill or be killed now, so if lacrosse can figure out a revenue model like the article implies...sell tickets, swag, fund raise endowments for specific programs, etc. ...then great. If not, in the real case your sons can look forward to what it was like being a non-revenue athlete in the 1980s. Long bus rides, lots and lots of Holiday Inns and barely passable TGI Fridays meals on the road. There will be exceptions at some big ACC or Big10 type places, but in general college lacrosse will be a grander version of high school lacrosse.

TGI Fridays? Bagged lunches for a dinner. Maybe the hosting school invites you to their dinning hall. Make sure you play the service academies they used to know how to host a visiting team

I think you are correct. It's going to be a thing of the past. Saw a Maryland/ N Carolina game and THERE WAS NO ONE IN THE STADIUM WATCHING. Maybe 150 200 people at most. If nobody cares then nobody is buying tickets�.very sad

this will be interesting to watch. I bet the D1 schools without football will be in a better position to deal with this. It could be an advantage for those schools.

Could actually work in another way as well. If your a mid level school with football, and the program doesn't make money or barely breaks even, why keep it? With these added costs to fund the programs, it could tip many of them into the red. No profit, no reason to have it. Those funds could then be directed to the remainder of the athletic department to strengthen the rest of the teams. Getting rid of football in an unprofitable situation would free up massive amounts of budgetary dollars for all other sport. Men's lax cost a fraction to fund vs. football. For the most part, the overall academic profile for a lax athlete vs football is a much better situation for the school. I think football at the non powerhouse schools is the sport that should be very worried.

UVa season tickets are priced between $30 for kids and seniors, to $40 for regular and to $50 for VIP. That is for the season, not a game. I recall that student ID gets you into all sporting events for free when I went there. There is no money in lacrosse. None. It is like all the other non-revenue sports feeding off football and men's basketball. I think that the NCAA changes giving the conferences more power and discretion means it will be used to compensate football and basketball players. Anyone who thinks that will not come at the expense of the non-revenue sports funding is kidding themselves. D1 lacrosse is going to become the "AA" division of club lacrosse in the next few years unless the sport can figure out a revenue model in the NCAA game. It would not be a bad idea for NCAA lacrosse to do what tennis does. Play an indoor season, have box in the winter. That may not become an NCAA sanctioned championship anytime soon, but it would help make a pleading to increase the lacrosse operating budgets so that teams can train with finding for more than their in-season in spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Could actually work in another way as well. If your a mid level school with football, and the program doesn't make money or barely breaks even, why keep it? With these added costs to fund the programs, it could tip many of them into the red. No profit, no reason to have it. Those funds could then be directed to the remainder of the athletic department to strengthen the rest of the teams. Getting rid of football in an unprofitable situation would free up massive amounts of budgetary dollars for all other sport. Men's lax cost a fraction to fund vs. football. For the most part, the overall academic profile for a lax athlete vs football is a much better situation for the school. I think football at the non powerhouse schools is the sport that should be very worried.

Isn't that what Hofstra did?

Once again, for the first time around lax parents:

I am a 2019 parent who will be traveling to 3d with my son next weekend. I sent the application in for him, he was accepted and I paid. We are traveling to FL.

What should I expect? What should my son expect?
The direct invitation I have read about, is that something every player gets?
My son was accepted to Top 175. It is a fee also.

What is the best case senerio that will come out of the 3d weekend for my son.

Please, without sarcasm, explain to me if I am paying for a real opportunity for my son to be seen or is it that I just paid all this money for a fun in the sun lax weekend with different teams.

I am coming here because the 2019 thread is still caught up in the Chaminade goalie relcassing situation.

Thank you all in advance

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Once again, for the first time around lax parents:

I am a 2019 parent who will be traveling to 3d with my son next weekend. I sent the application in for him, he was accepted and I paid. We are traveling to FL.

What should I expect? What should my son expect?
The direct invitation I have read about, is that something every player gets?
My son was accepted to Top 175. It is a fee also.

What is the best case senerio that will come out of the 3d weekend for my son.

Please, without sarcasm, explain to me if I am paying for a real opportunity for my son to be seen or is it that I just paid all this money for a fun in the sun lax weekend with different teams.

I am coming here because the 2019 thread is still caught up in the Chaminade goalie relcassing situation.

Thank you all in advance

1. Prior to leaving, look at the 10 day forecast so pack accordingly.
2. Friday night is 6 hours of drills, Saturday and Sunday you come and go for the games. (Friday night, park in the first lot, right hand side as you come in, as close to the exit as possible)
3. This is not the direct invite, this is a tryout to possibly get a direct invite for the June Blue Chip.
4. Top 175 is just another showcase, nothing special, there are a lot of showcases.
5. The best case scenario is that your son will play well enough to be one of 120 selected out of 600, if he is fast and has skills, a good possibility.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Could actually work in another way as well. If your a mid level school with football, and the program doesn't make money or barely breaks even, why keep it? With these added costs to fund the programs, it could tip many of them into the red. No profit, no reason to have it. Those funds could then be directed to the remainder of the athletic department to strengthen the rest of the teams. Getting rid of football in an unprofitable situation would free up massive amounts of budgetary dollars for all other sport. Men's lax cost a fraction to fund vs. football. For the most part, the overall academic profile for a lax athlete vs football is a much better situation for the school. I think football at the non powerhouse schools is the sport that should be very worried.

Isn't that what Hofstra did?

A painful truth not many of you are getting is this: athletic directors don't care about non-revenue sports very much. To they extent they exist and cost money to operate, they want to see conference championships or more. There is not an AD in the country who would lose sleep over needing to whack a non-revenue sport like lacrosse if necessary if it digs too much into keeping football or basketball strong. You are correct that lacrosse players come from a more comfortable demographic, and that leads to another point... only 12.6 scholarships means 35-40 full tuition paying students equivalent. Non-revenue sports are also a way of attracting paying customers to a school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Once again, for the first time around lax parents:

I am a 2019 parent who will be traveling to 3d with my son next weekend. I sent the application in for him, he was accepted and I paid. We are traveling to FL.

What should I expect? What should my son expect?
The direct invitation I have read about, is that something every player gets?
My son was accepted to Top 175. It is a fee also.

What is the best case senerio that will come out of the 3d weekend for my son.

Please, without sarcasm, explain to me if I am paying for a real opportunity for my son to be seen or is it that I just paid all this money for a fun in the sun lax weekend with different teams.

I am coming here because the 2019 thread is still caught up in the Chaminade goalie relcassing situation.

Thank you all in advance

There are no direct invites for 2019 (at least that was the case last year for my 2018). You paid to go to florida to compete for the opportunity to get picked to go to JR this coming summer.

You should expect four games as I recall. You should expect a session on recruiting along with a recommendation that you think about re-classing your kid...

Certainly not a recruiting event in florida, but if he is chosen as a result of his play to go to JR this summer there will be a lot of coaches on the sidelines then.

No other way to get to JR at your son's age. Direct invites start for that age next year...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Could actually work in another way as well. If your a mid level school with football, and the program doesn't make money or barely breaks even, why keep it? With these added costs to fund the programs, it could tip many of them into the red. No profit, no reason to have it. Those funds could then be directed to the remainder of the athletic department to strengthen the rest of the teams. Getting rid of football in an unprofitable situation would free up massive amounts of budgetary dollars for all other sport. Men's lax cost a fraction to fund vs. football. For the most part, the overall academic profile for a lax athlete vs football is a much better situation for the school. I think football at the non powerhouse schools is the sport that should be very worried.

Isn't that what Hofstra did?

A painful truth not many of you are getting is this: athletic directors don't care about non-revenue sports very much. To they extent they exist and cost money to operate, they want to see conference championships or more. There is not an AD in the country who would lose sleep over needing to whack a non-revenue sport like lacrosse if necessary if it digs too much into keeping football or basketball strong. You are correct that lacrosse players come from a more comfortable demographic, and that leads to another point... only 12.6 scholarships means 35-40 full tuition paying students equivalent. Non-revenue sports are also a way of attracting paying customers to a school.

Most football programs lose money also except for the big conferences. Do you think Stony Brook football is a money maker. C'mon. Lacrosse isnt going anywhere. It brings good sold students to most schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Could actually work in another way as well. If your a mid level school with football, and the program doesn't make money or barely breaks even, why keep it? With these added costs to fund the programs, it could tip many of them into the red. No profit, no reason to have it. Those funds could then be directed to the remainder of the athletic department to strengthen the rest of the teams. Getting rid of football in an unprofitable situation would free up massive amounts of budgetary dollars for all other sport. Men's lax cost a fraction to fund vs. football. For the most part, the overall academic profile for a lax athlete vs football is a much better situation for the school. I think football at the non powerhouse schools is the sport that should be very worried.

Isn't that what Hofstra did?

No ....not exactly...they wanted to get their medical school up and running

It is true most athletic departments lose money, and non-big conference football teams lose money. Stoney Brook has a football team? Thanks for letting us know. Of course that would be a money hole, as is all non-BCS competitive programs. The point is not to say that lacrosse is going away, but scholarship funded programs will see hits based on more money being steered to football and basketball per the new NCAA guidelines that permit giving players stipends and other benefits. The effects of this will hit ACC schools and Big 10 schools, guaranteed. Bye bye charter flights, and hello bus rides from Columbus Ohio to College Park Maryland or from Charlottesville to Syracuse. Bye bye Marriott, hello Days Inn. That sort of thing.

We went to 3d last weekend. The quality of instrucion and coaching was good. It was my son's first showcase event and while team play was emphasised during the lead up; the games were a bit of a free-for-all. I get it, the kids are trying to advance to JR, but I was surprised that the coaches allowed some pretty selfish play to occur over the four games. Also, the attack, defense and goalies were subbed on a schedule but the middies were not (my son plays midfield). If your son plays midfield, he will have to be very assertive about getting in and staying in the games. Have fun and good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We went to 3d last weekend. The quality of instrucion and coaching was good. It was my son's first showcase event and while team play was emphasised during the lead up; the games were a bit of a free-for-all. I get it, the kids are trying to advance to JR, but I was surprised that the coaches allowed some pretty selfish play to occur over the four games. Also, the attack, defense and goalies were subbed on a schedule but the middies were not (my son plays midfield). If your son plays midfield, he will have to be very assertive about getting in and staying in the games. Have fun and good luck.

Here is the problem with Blue Chip 2015. Last year (8th grade) they took 120 kids from the 5 camps for Jack Reed. This year they are only taking 15-25 per camp. They have already sent out 70 direct invites to JR. They put all the kids that were at JR last year and did not get a direct invite on one team in each camp. The result...unless you were an unkown stud, you have zero chance of making it to JR. At least the weather was nice the first weekend...but best of luck to anyone who has gone or is going.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Once again, for the first time around lax parents:

I am a 2019 parent who will be traveling to 3d with my son next weekend. I sent the application in for him, he was accepted and I paid. We are traveling to FL.

What should I expect? What should my son expect?
The direct invitation I have read about, is that something every player gets?
My son was accepted to Top 175. It is a fee also.

What is the best case senerio that will come out of the 3d weekend for my son.

Please, without sarcasm, explain to me if I am paying for a real opportunity for my son to be seen or is it that I just paid all this money for a fun in the sun lax weekend with different teams.

I am coming here because the 2019 thread is still caught up in the Chaminade goalie relcassing situation.

Thank you all in advance

It like everything has pros and cons. But if want exposure and your kid is ready, it's a must event. You know your kid. if he didn't make an A team, you must consider that. Because if you couldn't make a local A team, pretty hard to shine on a regional level. If you want showcase experience, cheaper options are everywhere. And I don't understand that 2019 thread. They need to lock themselves in a room and play the Frozen song 100 times.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We went to 3d last weekend. The quality of instrucion and coaching was good. It was my son's first showcase event and while team play was emphasised during the lead up; the games were a bit of a free-for-all. I get it, the kids are trying to advance to JR, but I was surprised that the coaches allowed some pretty selfish play to occur over the four games. Also, the attack, defense and goalies were subbed on a schedule but the middies were not (my son plays midfield). If your son plays midfield, he will have to be very assertive about getting in and staying in the games. Have fun and good luck.

That's hiw showcases and tryouts work. No passing. No sliding. Every man for himself. 2019 has no direct invites. That starts next year. You have to play in. Some based on how they did at 3D camp and some politics. That's how it works. About 600 kids play for 120 spots.

A must event? really

Probably more like 600 kids for 50 spots. Many received direct invites.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A must event? really

Yes, if you're kid stands out. Just read twitter and all standouts are mentioned and at the end they'll likely be a larger write up. Those write ups have recruiting value. And that's just the tryout. Then they'll be the actually Jake Reed event with the coaches and social media coverage. So, again, "really" if you think your kid can stand out, it is a must recruiting event. That said, this stuff will drive us all nuts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably more like 600 kids for 50 spots. Many received direct invites.

I was told no direct invites for 2019 age group and that all players must try out in Florida. If they play well they will get a letter thereafter...

THANKS for all of the input regarding 3d.

Once my 2019 son returns, I will be happy to post how it went. I was happy we submitted his application and he was invited to go. I feel fortunate that as parents, we are working hard to be able to afford the time and money it is going to take to go through this process.

My son is looking forward to seeing what talent is out there and what he is up against as a player. He is on a top team, has good grades, trains all year round, practices with his team, has great coaches to learn from but so does every boy who is heading down to 3d to play.

The entire experience, from missing school and making up his work, to going through the entire 3d weekend will be a great lesson for him and us.

We are using this opportunity to really open his eyes to see what lies ahead of him in terms of hard work and dedication to school and lacrosse if he wants to play in college.

As parents, we are providing the financial resources to get him there and the moral support he will need to get him through the weekend, the real work will be up to him.

Wishing all the boys good health and good luck this winter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A must event? really

Yes, if you're kid stands out. Just read twitter and all standouts are mentioned and at the end they'll likely be a larger write up. Those write ups have recruiting value. And that's just the tryout. Then they'll be the actually Jake Reed event with the coaches and social media coverage. So, again, "really" if you think your kid can stand out, it is a must recruiting event. That said, this stuff will drive us all nuts.

JR is NOT a "must" event and the opinions of Casey Vock and Ty Xanders have absolutely no recruiting value. Many of the top 2018 commits never attended JR last summer. If your son plays on a top team that is attending top tournaments then you don't need it. The top programs are at Platinum and Big 4 and a few others. If your kid is a top 20 talent, he will be recruited immediately and thus doesn't need JR. If he is more like a top 20 thru 100 player, then the upcoming fall is more important. Again, JR not a must, in fact making Philly freshmen the must. If your son falls inline after the top 100, then Maverik would become your "must". JR is nice and a lot of top players are there, along with quite a few coaches, but nothing like Philly or Maverik, or even JR rising sophs. Definitely not a "must". Also, if you feel that any coaches give damn about anything Vock or Xanders say, you are sadly mistaken. Pretty well known a large chunk of what they write is from program directors/club coaches. Sometimes they show up and watch a few minutes of a game and all of a sudden they have a kid pegged. Great for little Johnny's ego (probably more for parents ego), but meaningless for coaches. Coaches will watch your kid and either they like him or they don't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A must event? really

Yes, if you're kid stands out. Just read twitter and all standouts are mentioned and at the end they'll likely be a larger write up. Those write ups have recruiting value. And that's just the tryout. Then they'll be the actually Jake Reed event with the coaches and social media coverage. So, again, "really" if you think your kid can stand out, it is a must recruiting event. That said, this stuff will drive us all nuts.

JR is NOT a "must" event and the opinions of Casey Vock and Ty Xanders have absolutely no recruiting value. Many of the top 2018 commits never attended JR last summer. If your son plays on a top team that is attending top tournaments then you don't need it. The top programs are at Platinum and Big 4 and a few others. If your kid is a top 20 talent, he will be recruited immediately and thus doesn't need JR. If he is more like a top 20 thru 100 player, then the upcoming fall is more important. Again, JR not a must, in fact making Philly freshmen the must. If your son falls inline after the top 100, then Maverik would become your "must". JR is nice and a lot of top players are there, along with quite a few coaches, but nothing like Philly or Maverik, or even JR rising sophs. Definitely not a "must". Also, if you feel that any coaches give damn about anything Vock or Xanders say, you are sadly mistaken. Pretty well known a large chunk of what they write is from program directors/club coaches. Sometimes they show up and watch a few minutes of a game and all of a sudden they have a kid pegged. Great for little Johnny's ego (probably more for parents ego), but meaningless for coaches. Coaches will watch your kid and either they like him or they don't.

Everyone knows Maverick much more important than JR. MUCH more elite

None of those showcases are worth it anymore. JR used to be one session, the best 140 kids in 3 HS classes and that was it. You knew it was unique and knew it was elite. Adrenaline events are the best run, but they are WCS team bias and then throw ins for clubs close to WCS. Maverick is the big one for LI and other Northeast clubs and kids, and then throw ins for clubs close to the Cuse dudes who run it. 3d is the most business like and most accessible, but is 3d home team biased with throw ins. There are also other vendors trying to line up like NXT with the Philly showcase, which is also HHH/Big 4/Dukes/main line prep school heavy, then throw ins with clubs close to the NXT administrators. Then there is Nike Ride, then there is Inside Lacrosse, then there is...you get it.

The showcase scene has blown up in the last 2 years and is VERY VERY diluted all over the place, so the likelihood the best of the best will take the field together even at different sessions of the same garbage is ZERO. Going to 2, 3, 4 or 5 of these things is "spray and pray" approach that serves the wallets on the other side very well, and you barely at all.

Maverick is better than JR isn't saying much frankly, maybe just that a great talent density is in LI and in other TriState areas. I think these are all supplements, but hardly the places where your son will be seen by a coach who would not also see him at various other club tournament events if your son plays on a competitive club. Spend your money on instructional development and on prospect days at colleges your son would like to attend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A must event? really

Yes, if you're kid stands out. Just read twitter and all standouts are mentioned and at the end they'll likely be a larger write up. Those write ups have recruiting value. And that's just the tryout. Then they'll be the actually Jake Reed event with the coaches and social media coverage. So, again, "really" if you think your kid can stand out, it is a must recruiting event. That said, this stuff will drive us all nuts.

twitter stand outs mean nothing, there were a few players last year that were listed as standouts and still did not get into JR, twitter is just a place for someone to express their own opinions, if you child plays hard and doesn't mess up, there is a good chance he will get noticed by the evaluators. CV is not an evaluator, he is a paid to express his opinions on twitter by 3d.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably more like 600 kids for 50 spots. Many received direct invites.

I was told no direct invites for 2019 age group and that all players must try out in Florida. If they play well they will get a letter thereafter...

That is what Jamie Munro and company read from a script every time, and it is both surprising and disappointing that they are not more forthright. There are a lot of direct invites. Our son's club gets 4-5 direct appointments each year for each class based on the owner's relationship with JR. JR's last influence on this now all corporate show is that...he can steer direct appointments and he does. The 3d party line is to emphasize that this is 100% merit based and you must go to Florida and pay up. That is good for business, and if they let be known that is an audition only camp with long odds, would that be good for business? NO. Honest, yes, good for business, NO.

I'd gain a bit more respect for these hit and run showcase guys if they had an ounce of integrity to select the best players, and to also just stop lying to every fresh batch of 9th grade parents like you guys this year and the 2019s next year and the 2020s after that.

I have a 2020 son and take upon myself to let parents know what a tremendous waste of money is having gone all in for it once. Yes my son got a D1 opportunity, but he also would have gotten that if we had done a fraction of this showcase garbage. Play on a good team and stand out at club tournaments. Be brutal on your club. Tell them if they won't stop selling you this lax bro garbage to pay their buddies at Maverick, JR, etc. and if they don't start advocating you direct to the NCAA coaches, then you will go find club lacrosse somewhere else. Right now lacrosse parents are all rats who won't jump off flooding ships when pressured to wave a credit card 12-15 times a year to "Get noticed"...take it from someone who got rocked once and has something else to say about it. Disagree all you want, but going to 4-6 showcases will not make your son a good lacrosse recruit. Playing lacrosse at a high level for his club team will.

Some good perspectives above.

From numerous posts, it sounds like if your kid is "good enough" and the school seems like a good non-lacrosse fit, prospect days are a good way to be seen. Make contact beforehand, etc. If kid's not good enough, they don't seem like any more of a waste of money than any other event and kid gets to see the campus, etc. I'm not from a hotbed, but still a lot of good schools within driving distance.

That said, others have posted that being on a good club team that plays in good tournaments is all you need. So, my question is how good of team and how elite of tournaments is necessary to make this true? Even if my kid was good enough, we don't have the Crabs or Team 91 in our backyard. Does one need to maneuver to get your kid on a distant all-star team like Duke's that is loaded but doesn't really practice together? Or is a regional travel team that can't compete with the Duke's, Sweetlax, Team 91 or Crabs, etc., but can compete - even if not win - against the next level down of teams good enough? I assume the club team has to be good enough to at least play tournaments in the NJ-PA-Md area without being blown out.

Even regional club teams spout off a decent amount of BS of how they will get your son seen in order to justify their costs, only to go to tournaments where there are no coaches on the sidelines. When outside a hotbed, I think a parent needs to learn enough to judge for himself/herself, but easier said than done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably more like 600 kids for 50 spots. Many received direct invites.

I was told no direct invites for 2019 age group and that all players must try out in Florida. If they play well they will get a letter thereafter...

That is what Jamie Munro and company read from a script every time, and it is both surprising and disappointing that they are not more forthright. There are a lot of direct invites. Our son's club gets 4-5 direct appointments each year for each class based on the owner's relationship with JR. JR's last influence on this now all corporate show is that...he can steer direct appointments and he does. The 3d party line is to emphasize that this is 100% merit based and you must go to Florida and pay up. That is good for business, and if they let be known that is an audition only camp with long odds, would that be good for business? NO. Honest, yes, good for business, NO.

I'd gain a bit more respect for these hit and run showcase guys if they had an ounce of integrity to select the best players, and to also just stop lying to every fresh batch of 9th grade parents like you guys this year and the 2019s next year and the 2020s after that.

I have a 2020 son and take upon myself to let parents know what a tremendous waste of money is having gone all in for it once. Yes my son got a D1 opportunity, but he also would have gotten that if we had done a fraction of this showcase garbage. Play on a good team and stand out at club tournaments. Be brutal on your club. Tell them if they won't stop selling you this lax bro garbage to pay their buddies at Maverick, JR, etc. and if they don't start advocating you direct to the NCAA coaches, then you will go find club lacrosse somewhere else. Right now lacrosse parents are all rats who won't jump off flooding ships when pressured to wave a credit card 12-15 times a year to "Get noticed"...take it from someone who got rocked once and has something else to say about it. Disagree all you want, but going to 4-6 showcases will not make your son a good lacrosse recruit. Playing lacrosse at a high level for his club team will.

Rising freshman (2019) have ZERO direct invites, last year every player at JR rising freshman attended 3D in Florida including club coaches kids that surely would have received a direct invite, a few years ago a D1 head coach's son went to 3D as a rising freshman looking for an invite. what you are saying about the other years is correct half are direct invite and half are from 3D - all of these showcases have enough negative things to say about them, you do not have to make anything up.

Looking for information regarding college prospect camps. I have a 2019 rising freshman.

How do I go about getting an applicaition?
Should I be contacting or he be contacting the athletic dept of a school????

Example: 2019 Attackman would love to attend ND. How do I go about having him apply to camps at colleges????

I am off today and read a lot of interesting info here on BOTC about 3d and showcases. Hope to hear from all who have gone through this process recently.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking for information regarding college prospect camps. I have a 2019 rising freshman.

How do I go about getting an applicaition?
Should I be contacting or he be contacting the athletic dept of a school????

Example: 2019 Attackman would love to attend ND. How do I go about having him apply to camps at colleges????

I am off today and read a lot of interesting info here on BOTC about 3d and showcases. Hope to hear from all who have gone through this process recently.

Each school usually has one assistant coach in charge of recruiting send them an e-mail (gbyrne1@nd.edu) or just send e-mail to entire coaching staff you WILL get invitations to prospect days. Go to team web site and fill out recruiting questionnaire that most schools have and you will get prospect camp - have your club team coach call and tell them your son is interested in a particular school.

Go to your son's club coach and owner with a list of schools he may be interested in. He's an 8th grader not even in high school, but neither here or there, so you will need some guidance through it and remember that NCAA rules prohibit coaches from emailing or calling kids or you, so the club is your conduit. Every club coach and owner should be informed about prospect days at the colleges which have them, and should be letting you know about them in advance. This does not apply for you until next fall anyways, but get prepared. These things are a free for all, so if you don't get a head's up one is announced, even a few days can cost you a chance to enroll before it is full. Second, I'd ask for and welcome a reality check from your coach and club owner. If the kid is a great student, are you really going in for Delaware, Denver or High Point just to chase the D1 spot? If your kid is not a great student, is ND and Duke or Princeton really a logical strategy? Now a lot of that is must impossible to an extent because he's not even in high school or has he sat for a needed standardized test. Considering 60+ D1 schools is a bad start, and a money hole. Know what you want, ask if what you want is obtainable and then see how it goes. It helps when you are in 9th grade to know if you are interested in 3-5 of them, and if that interest is mutual.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go to your son's club coach and owner with a list of schools he may be interested in. He's an 8th grader not even in high school, but neither here or there, so you will need some guidance through it and remember that NCAA rules prohibit coaches from emailing or calling kids or you, so the club is your conduit. Every club coach and owner should be informed about prospect days at the colleges which have them, and should be letting you know about them in advance. This does not apply for you until next fall anyways, but get prepared. These things are a free for all, so if you don't get a head's up one is announced, even a few days can cost you a chance to enroll before it is full. Second, I'd ask for and welcome a reality check from your coach and club owner. If the kid is a great student, are you really going in for Delaware, Denver or High Point just to chase the D1 spot? If your kid is not a great student, is ND and Duke or Princeton really a logical strategy? Now a lot of that is must impossible to an extent because he's not even in high school or has he sat for a needed standardized test. Considering 60+ D1 schools is a bad start, and a money hole. Know what you want, ask if what you want is obtainable and then see how it goes. It helps when you are in 9th grade to know if you are interested in 3-5 of them, and if that interest is mutual.

THANK YOU for your insight. As parents going through this for the first time, we are in need of wisdom from those of you who have done this in the past. We are trying to put into place the best path to follow as far as navigating through the system called early recruiting.

By learning from your trials and errors (2018 parents) because you are the ones having sons going through this now, we are hopefully putting together what turns out to be a good portfolio of sorts.

Our son is concentrating on school and getting GREAT grades. That is his first priority. He has a gift, so we have been told, and as he is our oldest and first son to go through this process for lacrosse, so we are looking to the parents who are in the trenches now, able to let us know what mistakes not to make. So your input is much appreciated.

As you stated, getting information one day too late could mean not having a chance to enroll for a recruit day.

Crazy as it sounds, HS is only a semester away. His club team has the schedule for fall tournaments already.

Our son is learning from his trainers and coaches that GREAT grades and GREAT lax schools go hand in hand. Without the grades, school offers are few and far between. His future HS coach has been speaking with him, which makes us very happy. His club coaches are preoparing him for upcoming showcases. He will be in LarryMiller next week. We are using 3d as a jumping point. As parents we will listen and as a player he will be able to see just what competition he is up against.

Your points were well made and were received. Thank you for your time.

We have a HS junior being actively recruited for basketball. It is nothing like lax recruiting. An offer to play ball for a low D1 school will cover full tuition, board, books and travel home 4 times a year. Our AAU coach has 20 years of experience and fully invested in each of his players getting a full scholarship to play.

THANK YOU ALL AGAIN. The 2019 thread is not able to focus on anything lacrosse related anymore. Truthfully, even if it was, the 2019 parents cannot just say, great for your kid, here is what we found out, good luck, hey, how did your son get to do that???

Instead they pass snarky remarks and complain.

All advice from prior poster is exactly what I would have said and what we followed. Mine did commit early but unlike your basketball son, you should be thinking more like 25-50% of tuition and room and board in lax. No trips home and no books at least in our case.

I have heard stories about full rides in lax, but none were offered to mine.

There may be some full rides out there. With 12.6 a coach can basically swing for the fences on what he determines to be the recruits he will win with or be fired. My guess is most coaches amortize it over most the roster. Lacrosse parents are so status obsessed many will go in for $5000 only to be able to tell anyone who will listen junior got a full ride. I've never met a lacrosse parent of a D1 committed kid who didn't claim their kid was getting a full boat. Full boat of b.s. is my guess. Our experience with some top programs was a range between 15% and 35% of the tuition costs. Our son was a top player, how up there I'll never know but that was our experience. We are Virginia in-state, and UVa licks their chops at in-state recruits since the tuition is only a little over $10K. So they offer $1000 a year for a Virginia kid and never stop talking about what a bargain that is over out-of-state or private schools offering decent %s. And they are right.

Mine got the 30% number, not full by any means, now you have met one...

A large amount of D1 lax players get no money at all. The parents are happy to pay full everything to say that there kid is a D1 athlete and that he is getting a full ride. That is the pathetic and sad truth about this sport in 2015.

Full rides do happen but there are very few. I personally know of 2 in this class and there may be a couple others that I'm unaware of. It is a very rare occurrence and happens only with who the coaches perceive to be the best at their positions. It is also true that a great many recruits only get 10-15% or below and a very good recruit will get 30-50% on average. Bottom line - scholarship money is all over the board. It can be zero all the way up to 100% in rare cases. It depends on several things which include different situations.

most kids get more academic and need based money then athletic money

you are going to send your kid to school either way so use lacrosse to get in to a better school then you could have gotten into without it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you are going to send your kid to school either way so use lacrosse to get in to a better school then you could have gotten into without it.

Best advice on this board and the only point of all this madness

West Point = full ride.Diploma is probably second only to ivies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

West Point = full ride.Diploma is probably second only to ivies.

And then a 5 year commitment but that is good for the right kid

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Full rides do happen but there are very few. I personally know of 2 in this class and there may be a couple others that I'm unaware of. It is a very rare occurrence and happens only with who the coaches perceive to be the best at their positions. It is also true that a great many recruits only get 10-15% or below and a very good recruit will get 30-50% on average. Bottom line - scholarship money is all over the board. It can be zero all the way up to 100% in rare cases. It depends on several things which include different situations.

ABSOLUTELY FALSE ON FULL RIDE WITH EXCEPTION TO MILITARY ACADEMY. ANYONE TELLS YOU DIFFERENT THE ARE GRUBERING YOU.

We know a number of current UVa lacrosse families of kids who came out of IAC or WCAC HS programs, and most of these kids toggled close to zero money to go there if they were in-state. Many of those families wet dreamed of junior being a Wahoo, and to boot it is a very very good school for the money if you are a Virginian. I would not be shocked if Syracuse and UMD milked the same intrinsic benefits for in-staters for their programs, but I am not close enough to those places to assert that. I think lacrosse coaches are spend-thrifts. If you give out a stench of proud D1 lacrosse daddy to be and they can size you up as middle class or better, believe me there is blood in the water and they will low ball the living daylights out of the offer to your kid. With only 12.6 to work, any possibilities of handing out what is called a "cocktail party scholarship" where they give you a little and know that is plenty good for you to take to the adult parties as humble parental braggers claiming full boats to anyone who will listen. Happens all the time.

ABSOLUTELY FALSE ON FULL RIDE WITH EXCEPTION TO MILITARY ACADEMY. ANYONE TELLS YOU DIFFERENT THE ARE GRUBERING YOU. [/quote]

"Grubering" Someone teach you a new word today? (and before you enlighten me, I know what it means) Full rides are rare, but full rides exist if you have the grades and the skills.

My son is 2018 player with a 2000 birthyear; ie, not a holdback, who is verbally committed. We spent the Summer and Fall on the tournament and camp circuit; below are my observations on some of the points that get debated on this site. These are my observations, my perspective of the truth, and I understand others may have a very different experience or point of view, but here we go:

1. Age matters a lot - in the tournaments and at the camps. All Star games and prospect camps are dominated by players who are a year or two older. Age/grade appropriate boys who haven't gotten through or started puberty are not going to get looked at until they can compete physically with the older boys. It is legal, it may or may not be fair, but it's the reality of 9th grade lacrosse, where 2000 birth years regularly compete against 1998 birthyears for the same coaches attention.

2. Camps are worthwhile if your son gets an introduction to the coaching staff and hopefully a visit. The camps say a lot about the schools in how they are organized and run. If you go to a camp with a hundred other boys and your club or high school coach hasn't spoken to the college coaching staff, then know going in your son is not one of the boys they're looking at. It may be good experience, but they're not focussing on your son.

3. What club team your son plays on is really important. You will hear that it's better to play on a weak team and be a star than to play on a strong team and be one of several very good players - that isn't true. The coaches aren't watching the 23rd best team at fl$ in 3d next Summer; they just aren't. They are going to watch carefully a handful of the best teams in the age group - that is where they spend the lion's share of their time. Winning matters; winning games matters; advancing in tournaments matters - college coaches go watch the players on the best teams - the best teams win games - everything else is a rationalization - get your son on the best possible team, with the best possible coach. My son's 2018 team is one of those teams and it made a huge difference to be on that team for him.
4. Your high school coach matters a lot. Many of the colleges won't speak with your club coach - they want to hear from your high school coach and will only work through him, as they think the club coaches are too biased.
5. Half the dads you're speaking with are making it up, in terms of how interested colleges are in their son. Take all those sideline comments with a big grain of salt so you can enjoy the game - a lot of what you hear is what someone is hoping will happen, not what is actually happening.
6. There are a lot of very good players out there, and the numbers are overwhelming the coaches. This sport is exploding in terms of the number of participants, and the recruiting process is not keeping pace. College coaches are inundated with parent and player requests for time and offers. If you don't hear back right away, don't panic - that coch is getting 10 calls a day from parents/players asking to commit to the school. When your son is really interested in one or two schools, get focussed on those schools with your coaches and make sure the colleges know how interested your son is in them - that will help a lot.

7. Social media puts a lot of pressure on your son. He knows every kid who commits the minute it happens. You may not be interested in real time updates, but your son is all over it and this will put a lot of pressure on him.

Those are some of my thoughts - I hope they help those gearing up for the process.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ABSOLUTELY FALSE ON FULL RIDE WITH EXCEPTION TO MILITARY ACADEMY. ANYONE TELLS YOU DIFFERENT THE ARE GRUBERING YOU.

"Grubering" Someone teach you a new word today? (and before you enlighten me, I know what it means) Full rides are rare, but full rides exist if you have the grades and the skills. [/quote]

'Grubering' is in reference to an MIT professor who, on video, stated how he helped the president deceive the public.

I know someone who is getting full ride just has to pay for books.
be a top 10 recruit and not go to top 10 school they will offer you a lot
Or be a true d1 player and go to d2 school with great grades and the will pay

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is 2018 player with a 2000 birthyear; ie, not a holdback, who is verbally committed. We spent the Summer and Fall on the tournament and camp circuit; below are my observations on some of the points that get debated on this site. These are my observations, my perspective of the truth, and I understand others may have a very different experience or point of view, but here we go:

1. Age matters a lot - in the tournaments and at the camps. All Star games and prospect camps are dominated by players who are a year or two older. Age/grade appropriate boys who haven't gotten through or started puberty are not going to get looked at until they can compete physically with the older boys. It is legal, it may or may not be fair, but it's the reality of 9th grade lacrosse, where 2000 birth years regularly compete against 1998 birthyears for the same coaches attention.

2. Camps are worthwhile if your son gets an introduction to the coaching staff and hopefully a visit. The camps say a lot about the schools in how they are organized and run. If you go to a camp with a hundred other boys and your club or high school coach hasn't spoken to the college coaching staff, then know going in your son is not one of the boys they're looking at. It may be good experience, but they're not focussing on your son.

3. What club team your son plays on is really important. You will hear that it's better to play on a weak team and be a star than to play on a strong team and be one of several very good players - that isn't true. The coaches aren't watching the 23rd best team at fl$ in 3d next Summer; they just aren't. They are going to watch carefully a handful of the best teams in the age group - that is where they spend the lion's share of their time. Winning matters; winning games matters; advancing in tournaments matters - college coaches go watch the players on the best teams - the best teams win games - everything else is a rationalization - get your son on the best possible team, with the best possible coach. My son's 2018 team is one of those teams and it made a huge difference to be on that team for him.
4. Your high school coach matters a lot. Many of the colleges won't speak with your club coach - they want to hear from your high school coach and will only work through him, as they think the club coaches are too biased.
5. Half the dads you're speaking with are making it up, in terms of how interested colleges are in their son. Take all those sideline comments with a big grain of salt so you can enjoy the game - a lot of what you hear is what someone is hoping will happen, not what is actually happening.
6. There are a lot of very good players out there, and the numbers are overwhelming the coaches. This sport is exploding in terms of the number of participants, and the recruiting process is not keeping pace. College coaches are inundated with parent and player requests for time and offers. If you don't hear back right away, don't panic - that coch is getting 10 calls a day from parents/players asking to commit to the school. When your son is really interested in one or two schools, get focussed on those schools with your coaches and make sure the colleges know how interested your son is in them - that will help a lot.

7. Social media puts a lot of pressure on your son. He knows every kid who commits the minute it happens. You may not be interested in real time updates, but your son is all over it and this will put a lot of pressure on him.

Those are some of my thoughts - I hope they help those gearing up for the process.

Single best post on the subject on BOTC - I am in the exact same boat and agree 100% the only thing I would add is on #3 your club team - If you are not going to be a top player on a top club team then you are not going to be an early commit - if you are not on man up or man down chances are you are not going to be making a verbal in 9th grade so just relax keep working we have all seen travel teams with 15 - 20 D1 commits just not all of them go early

Very informative: I believe most of it
In my sons case it was better to be on second tier team. he learned more how to be leader of his team.
If your son is young it is hard to compete
Social media is killing these kids with the verbal's
Keep on going to showcases it only takes one good one to get noticed. It was 3 showcase that my son got noticed.
Two to 3 teams are interested in him. Problem is it is very hard to gage how much interest they have. Almost like a chess match. Is kid really interested (Coach)or is school really interested (Parents)
How do you gage level of interest- hate to waste time on school that takes another kid instead of your son
Any advice from parents who kid verbal would be greatly appreciated

Good luck with the three schools with interest in your son. I spent weeks trying to figure out the level of interest different schools had in my son, as you are trying to do. High school coach had a different read from the club coach; what my son heard on a coaches call was different at times too. I have a couple of thoughts for you, first make sure your club/HS coach is telling you the truth, not what you want to hear. Club coaches are under huge pressure, to deliver on the promises they make to get boys to play for them re commitments and an easy way to get anxious parents off their back is to say 'college x is interested in your son' - that makes your ride home from the tourney/camp a lot better, but it may not be the truth. Overpromising by coaches hurts you in the long run, because you keep wondering why the offer hasn't come if college x is so interested. You have every right to ask the HS/ club coach a lot of questions about timing, interest, where your son is rated by the college, what more they need to see, scholarship money, etc - the more detailed the answer back to you, the more interested that school is in your son. If your son really wants to go to one of those three schools, then make sure they and the coaches know it - the colleges want to make offers to boys who have a high chance of accepting, and it is to your son's advantage to let the college know his high degree of interest in them too. Being coy doesn't work - be direct if he and you have a strong point of view to cut through the chatter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good luck with the three schools with interest in your son. I spent weeks trying to figure out the level of interest different schools had in my son, as you are trying to do. High school coach had a different read from the club coach; what my son heard on a coaches call was different at times too. I have a couple of thoughts for you, first make sure your club/HS coach is telling you the truth, not what you want to hear. Club coaches are under huge pressure, to deliver on the promises they make to get boys to play for them re commitments and an easy way to get anxious parents off their back is to say 'college x is interested in your son' - that makes your ride home from the tourney/camp a lot better, but it may not be the truth. Overpromising by coaches hurts you in the long run, because you keep wondering why the offer hasn't come if college x is so interested. You have every right to ask the HS/ club coach a lot of questions about timing, interest, where your son is rated by the college, what more they need to see, scholarship money, etc - the more detailed the answer back to you, the more interested that school is in your son. If your son really wants to go to one of those three schools, then make sure they and the coaches know it - the colleges want to make offers to boys who have a high chance of accepting, and it is to your son's advantage to let the college know his high degree of interest in them too. Being coy doesn't work - be direct if he and you have a strong point of view to cut through the chatter.

Excellent post!

What are peoples opinion of the Ted Spencer Blue Chip Elite Division?

Looking to 2018 parents who have traveled to JR Camp in LarryMiller and had your son come home with an invitation to attend the JR Blue Chip Camp in July.

We are heading down this weekend as a 2019 player/parent and have heard that since this was the last weekend, not to expect much.

It was my understanding that LI players are considered Mid-Atlantic Region players according to JR. I did see some upper classman registered as North East players for JR even though they played for SMithtown, Massapequa, Garden City or Chaminade.

Who has some insight for me?

Does it make a difference which region I registered my son for? I was told I could select any weekend if there were openings. I was also told LI players are Mid-Atlantic.

How is it determined who is in elite or varsity?

Elite or varsity groups are for Ted Spencer Blue chip 225. Not Jake Reed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking to 2018 parents who have traveled to JR Camp in LarryMiller and had your son come home with an invitation to attend the JR Blue Chip Camp in July.

We are heading down this weekend as a 2019 player/parent and have heard that since this was the last weekend, not to expect much.

It was my understanding that LI players are considered Mid-Atlantic Region players according to JR. I did see some upper classman registered as North East players for JR even though they played for SMithtown, Massapequa, Garden City or Chaminade.

Who has some insight for me?

Does it make a difference which region I registered my son for? I was told I could select any weekend if there were openings. I was also told LI players are Mid-Atlantic.

It does not make a difference, your son is fine attending this week. Many LI players were there in early Jan, but it is not necessarily a better week end. There were many strong players there, but I am sure there will be many there this week end as well. They all have a shot of receiving an invitation. This event is getting confused with Blue Chip 225. Do not worry about invitations just yet- just have your boy play his best. All you can ask for. Enjoy!

Here is a thought:

It would be great if 2018 and above veteran parents can give a talk to 2019 parents regarding all of the showcases which are out there.

Would love to have a get together at a bar one sunday evening to go over all of this, now, while applications are being accepted before money is due to secure a spot for my son.

Plenty of libraries and bars have space open.

We need all of you on the 2019 thread to help us out.

I am only one of many who are going through this for the first time.

Crazy as it sounds, I take what I read here on BOTC and filter out the BS and take note of the good advice.

Thanks for the insight.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is a thought:

It would be great if 2018 and above veteran parents can give a talk to 2019 parents regarding all of the showcases which are out there.

Would love to have a get together at a bar one sunday evening to go over all of this, now, while applications are being accepted before money is due to secure a spot for my son.

Plenty of libraries and bars have space open.

Q & A would be great. No powerpoint necessary.

I would be able to bring 6 guys with me easily.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite or varsity groups are for Ted Spencer Blue chip 225. Not Jake Reed.

I posted what are peoples opinion of Ted Spencers Blue Chip Elite Division. My son applied and was selected to the elite division. Dont know much about it so was wondering what peoples opinion of it were. Is it worth it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite or varsity groups are for Ted Spencer Blue chip 225. Not Jake Reed.

I posted what are peoples opinion of Ted Spencers Blue Chip Elite Division. My son applied and was selected to the elite division. Dont know much about it so was wondering what peoples opinion of it were. Is it worth it?

Ok here's the deal on this whole recruiting thing for 2019 parents. It works like this: if your son is one of the 4or5 best kids on one of the top 5 or 6 teams in the country at 2019 then your son will probably have some offers on the table or be committed by this time next year. This will happen pretty much with or without Jake Reed. For the rest of the kids, it will take a little longer. It will also require a bit more commitment from you. It then becomes a numbers game to secure the most exposure for your son. Try to get your son into the showcase and make sure your on a club that will be playing in top tournaments. I.E. NSCLA, Crabfest, Big 4, Adrenaline, inside lax, NXT etc. best showcases for fall are FPS, and Legacy. Number one showcase for rising sophomore is Showtime. Must be one of the best players on 91, Express, fl$ or Outlaws to secure direct invite from club. Those 4 clubs are the only ones on LI that will have direct invites. Anyone says differently they're not being truthful. Moral of the story, it's a number game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite or varsity groups are for Ted Spencer Blue chip 225. Not Jake Reed.

I posted what are peoples opinion of Ted Spencers Blue Chip Elite Division. My son applied and was selected to the elite division. Dont know much about it so was wondering what peoples opinion of it were. Is it worth it?

Ok here's the deal on this whole recruiting thing for 2019 parents. It works like this: if your son is one of the 4or5 best kids on one of the top 5 or 6 teams in the country at 2019 then your son will probably have some offers on the table or be committed by this time next year. This will happen pretty much with or without Jake Reed. For the rest of the kids, it will take a little longer. It will also require a bit more commitment from you. It then becomes a numbers game to secure the most exposure for your son. Try to get your son into the showcase and make sure your on a club that will be playing in top tournaments. I.E. NSCLA, Crabfest, Big 4, Adrenaline, inside lax, NXT etc. best showcases for fall are FPS, and Legacy. Number one showcase for rising sophomore is Showtime. Must be one of the best players on 91, Express, fl$ or Outlaws to secure direct invite from club. Those 4 clubs are the only ones on LI that will have direct invites. Anyone says differently they're not being truthful. Moral of the story, it's a number game.

Thank you for your insight.
What's your opinion on spending the money on multiple prospect camps instead of being the best player on 91, fl$, Express?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite or varsity groups are for Ted Spencer Blue chip 225. Not Jake Reed.

I posted what are peoples opinion of Ted Spencers Blue Chip Elite Division. My son applied and was selected to the elite division. Dont know much about it so was wondering what peoples opinion of it were. Is it worth it?

Ok here's the deal on this whole recruiting thing for 2019 parents. It works like this: if your son is one of the 4or5 best kids on one of the top 5 or 6 teams in the country at 2019 then your son will probably have some offers on the table or be committed by this time next year. This will happen pretty much with or without Jake Reed. For the rest of the kids, it will take a little longer. It will also require a bit more commitment from you. It then becomes a numbers game to secure the most exposure for your son. Try to get your son into the showcase and make sure your on a club that will be playing in top tournaments. I.E. NSCLA, Crabfest, Big 4, Adrenaline, inside lax, NXT etc. best showcases for fall are FPS, and Legacy. Number one showcase for rising sophomore is Showtime. Must be one of the best players on 91, Express, fl$ or Outlaws to secure direct invite from club. Those 4 clubs are the only ones on LI that will have direct invites. Anyone says differently they're not being truthful. Moral of the story, it's a number game.

Thank you for your insight.
What's your opinion on spending the money on multiple prospect camps instead of being the best player on 91, fl$, Express?

Nothing say you can't do both, just go with the prospect camps that your son is interested in.

What site(s) are best for posting committments?

Thanks for any thoughts

Xanders recently posted them all in a single article.

"NSCLA, Crabfest, Big 4, Adrenaline, inside lax, NXT"

Do others agree with this list of tournaments or want to add any? I'm curious because I'd like to look at the list of what teams play in these tournaments to see if any teams are going other than teams that seem to be getting a lot of 2018 commitments (Sweetlax, Crabs, Dukes, Team 91, Madlax). In other words, what kind of teams outside these DI-loaded teams getting looks at these tournaments?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Xanders recently posted them all in a single article.

Thanks - I know he has them on his recruitingrundown site - not sure his is complete and was wondering if there were other places where committments are listed?

My sons played Ted Spencer's Blue Chip 225 as rising seniors. As I recall as part of the application process your HS coach had to recommend whether you would play Varsity or Elite. The camp is very well run and each team is coached by a combination of college coaches from D1 and DIII (there may have been DII coaches as well). Check the web site for this information and lots more is on it. The boys play a lot of games. The camp concludes with an All-Star game for each division. Tons of coaches watching.

Looking for information on how how I find out about a prospect camp for a college my son is interested in.

I will not go to my son's club coach or director to ask and he is not yet in HS, so I cannot ask the varsity coach.

If anyone is willing to take the time to list the steps to take to research a college prospect camp, it would be appreciated.

I understand they fill up quickly once the registration is posted.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking for information on how how I find out about a prospect camp for a college my son is interested in.

I will not go to my son's club coach or director to ask and he is not yet in HS, so I cannot ask the varsity coach.

If anyone is willing to take the time to list the steps to take to research a college prospect camp, it would be appreciated.

I understand they fill up quickly once the registration is posted.

You would email the college coach who is running the camp. If not in HS yet, it's way too early. An 8th grader playing vs 11th and 12th graders is not a great idea. Slow down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What site(s) are best for posting committments?

Thanks for any thoughts

Youth1 Sports web site.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking for information on how how I find out about a prospect camp for a college my son is interested in.

I will not go to my son's club coach or director to ask and he is not yet in HS, so I cannot ask the varsity coach.

If anyone is willing to take the time to list the steps to take to research a college prospect camp, it would be appreciated.

I understand they fill up quickly once the registration is posted.

The steps that we took was simple, the college coaches that were interested, contacted the club coach and had them relay the information stating that they college coach would like you to attend the prospect camp. Other than that, you will need to just go to their websites and fill out the questionnaire and sign up, you will still need to put in your club information. As a rising freshman, that is about the extent of what can be done, so I would recommend that if your son is interested in particulars schools, reach out to the club coach/directors.

Not a nut. Just curious about the prospect camp process since many parents here are advocating that this is the way to go.

Using this year to investigate and take all my notes. Hoping to decide which showcases will work with the season schedule and look into training camps.

Having my sons get a year if HS under their belt and a year more of growing will put me in great shape as a parent trying to navigate this with twins playing 2 different positions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking for information on how how I find out about a prospect camp for a college my son is interested in.

I will not go to my son's club coach or director to ask and he is not yet in HS, so I cannot ask the varsity coach.

If anyone is willing to take the time to list the steps to take to research a college prospect camp, it would be appreciated.

I understand they fill up quickly once the registration is posted.

many ways to do this -
#1) fill out the online recruiting questionnaire on the schools web site, that will give the college coaches your e-mail address and they can send you info on the prospect camps.

#2) send an e-mail to the college coaches saying you are interested in the school and would like to go to the prospect day, again that will give them your e-mail so you can be added to the list.

Colleges can not give preferential treatment to a kid they are interested in and all kids are supposed to get a fair shot at signing up but the e-mails for the prospect days are sent in waves and you want to be in the first wave of e-mails and your best bet is by having your club coach contact the college staff and let them know you are interested.

IMHO if you are not a stud player, top 3-4 players on a top club team don't worry to much about the prospect camps as a rising 9th grader unless it is absolutely your #1 dream school, you will have plenty of time to spend your money when the schools are filling their rosters.

what do you know about adrenaline black cup for 2017/2018?

Good showcase.

I would say Maverick is still #1, and now that Jake Reed has been diluted by 3d doubling the # of kids attending, Black Card may now be the 2nd best showcase in summer.

They invite about 114 kids per grad year, 2018 and 2017, so seems to be pretty selective.

Anyone know when are invites going out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a nut. Just curious about the prospect camp process since many parents here are advocating that this is the way to go.

Using this year to investigate and take all my notes. Hoping to decide which showcases will work with the season schedule and look into training camps.

Having my sons get a year if HS under their belt and a year more of growing will put me in great shape as a parent trying to navigate this with twins playing 2 different positions.

If you actually have to announce on here that you are not a nut, there is a pretty good chance , you may be a nut!😳🌰

I believe some are out and others trickling in

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good showcase.

I would say Maverick is still #1, and now that Jake Reed has been diluted by 3d doubling the # of kids attending, Black Card may now be the 2nd best showcase in summer.

They invite about 114 kids per grad year, 2018 and 2017, so seems to be pretty selective.

Anyone know when are invites going out?

Invites are out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a nut. Just curious about the prospect camp process since many parents here are advocating that this is the way to go.

Using this year to investigate and take all my notes. Hoping to decide which showcases will work with the season schedule and look into training camps.

Having my sons get a year if HS under their belt and a year more of growing will put me in great shape as a parent trying to navigate this with twins playing 2 different positions.

If you actually have to announce on here that you are not a nut, there is a pretty good chance , you may be a nut!😳🌰

Sometimes you feel like a nut,
Sometimes you don't.

BOTC got nuts,
2018 thread usually don't.

BOTC got intense parents with definite opinions too,
2018 thread got them plus veteran experience, ooh.

Sometimes you feel like a nut.
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
Sometimes you don't.
Ooh, Ooh

BOTC got nuts,
2018 thread don't

Please dish about Maverick Showtime Lacrosse Camp.

I tried to look up info but nothing is written about how players are selected to attend.

How do Sophomores & Juniors secure an invite? Is it through the HS coach? Club coach?

Anyone else have an opinion on Black Card? Website says top 1% in nation. Are there better ones to attend this summer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone else have an opinion on Black Card? Website says top 1% in nation. Are there better ones to attend this summer?

No comparison to Showtime.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please dish about Maverick Showtime Lacrosse Camp.

I tried to look up info but nothing is written about how players are selected to attend.

How do Sophomores & Juniors secure an invite? Is it through the HS coach? Club coach?

Camp is only for Rising Sophomores and Juniors. Not for current Juniors. Players are nominated by Club coaches, only top Clubs will get direct invites. HS coaches can also get kids in. Must be top player on top club. Or have to be Varsity as a 9th grader kind of kid at average to better lax HS. Or top 2 or 3 kid in class at Best HS programs. Extremely selective event. Invites are long done for this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please dish about Maverick Showtime Lacrosse Camp.

I tried to look up info but nothing is written about how players are selected to attend.

How do Sophomores & Juniors secure an invite? Is it through the HS coach? Club coach?

Camp is only for Rising Sophomores and Juniors. Not for current Juniors. Players are nominated by Club coaches, only top Clubs will get direct invites. HS coaches can also get kids in. Must be top player on top club. Or have to be Varsity as a 9th grader kind of kid at average to better lax HS. Or top 2 or 3 kid in class at Best HS programs. Extremely selective event. Invites are long done for this year.

As a freshman player on a JV team and on a good club team, my son has missed the rising sophomore invite.

In a world where he excels this summer going into 10th gr in the fall, how do I, as a parent, have him apply to Maverick?

Ask his HS coach? Ask his club coach?

He was not standout enough as a freshman, but this season has not begun, so I am going on the fact that he was not outstanding as an 8th grader or in the fall.

If you would explain the application process for the parents who are not in the know, that would be beneficial, especially to me.

Even if my son is not good enough to be asked, I would like to understand and know the process.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please dish about Maverick Showtime Lacrosse Camp.

I tried to look up info but nothing is written about how players are selected to attend.

How do Sophomores & Juniors secure an invite? Is it through the HS coach? Club coach?

Camp is only for Rising Sophomores and Juniors. Not for current Juniors. Players are nominated by Club coaches, only top Clubs will get direct invites. HS coaches can also get kids in. Must be top player on top club. Or have to be Varsity as a 9th grader kind of kid at average to better lax HS. Or top 2 or 3 kid in class at Best HS programs. Extremely selective event. Invites are long done for this year.

As a freshman player on a JV team and on a good club team, my son has missed the rising sophomore invite.

In a world where he excels this summer going into 10th gr in the fall, how do I, as a parent, have him apply to Maverick?

Ask his HS coach? Ask his club coach?

He was not standout enough as a freshman, but this season has not begun, so I am going on the fact that he was not outstanding as an 8th grader or in the fall.

If you would explain the application process for the parents who are not in the know, that would be beneficial, especially to me.

Even if my son is not good enough to be asked, I would like to understand and know the process.

Thank you.

No application process. Best clubs usually recommend 5-6 kids, 3-5 get invites. My kid went last summer as a rising sophomore and is going again this summer. Nothing through his H.S. coach although is a route as well, strictly through the club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please dish about Maverick Showtime Lacrosse Camp.

I tried to look up info but nothing is written about how players are selected to attend.

How do Sophomores & Juniors secure an invite? Is it through the HS coach? Club coach?

Camp is only for Rising Sophomores and Juniors. Not for current Juniors. Players are nominated by Club coaches, only top Clubs will get direct invites. HS coaches can also get kids in. Must be top player on top club. Or have to be Varsity as a 9th grader kind of kid at average to better lax HS. Or top 2 or 3 kid in class at Best HS programs. Extremely selective event. Invites are long done for this year.

As a freshman player on a JV team and on a good club team, my son has missed the rising sophomore invite.

In a world where he excels this summer going into 10th gr in the fall, how do I, as a parent, have him apply to Maverick?

Ask his HS coach? Ask his club coach?

He was not standout enough as a freshman, but this season has not begun, so I am going on the fact that he was not outstanding as an 8th grader or in the fall.

If you would explain the application process for the parents who are not in the know, that would be beneficial, especially to me.

Even if my son is not good enough to be asked, I would like to understand and know the process.

Thank you.

No application process. Best clubs usually recommend 5-6 kids, 3-5 get invites. My kid went last summer as a rising sophomore and is going again this summer. Nothing through his H.S. coach although is a route as well, strictly through the club.

According to your post, correct me if I am wrong:

Club coach recommends my son this summer. Showtime sends invite out (if they like him) in Sept. My son attends in July of 2016.

My son will be a freshman in Sept. never having played a day in HS, and according to your post, the invite goes out to rising sophomores, jrs. that means he needs to be recommended this summer of 8th grade.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please dish about Maverick Showtime Lacrosse Camp.

I tried to look up info but nothing is written about how players are selected to attend.

How do Sophomores & Juniors secure an invite? Is it through the HS coach? Club coach?

Camp is only for Rising Sophomores and Juniors. Not for current Juniors. Players are nominated by Club coaches, only top Clubs will get direct invites. HS coaches can also get kids in. Must be top player on top club. Or have to be Varsity as a 9th grader kind of kid at average to better lax HS. Or top 2 or 3 kid in class at Best HS programs. Extremely selective event. Invites are long done for this year.

As a freshman player on a JV team and on a good club team, my son has missed the rising sophomore invite.

In a world where he excels this summer going into 10th gr in the fall, how do I, as a parent, have him apply to Maverick?

Ask his HS coach? Ask his club coach?

He was not standout enough as a freshman, but this season has not begun, so I am going on the fact that he was not outstanding as an 8th grader or in the fall.

If you would explain the application process for the parents who are not in the know, that would be beneficial, especially to me.

Even if my son is not good enough to be asked, I would like to understand and know the process.

Thank you.

No application process. Best clubs usually recommend 5-6 kids, 3-5 get invites. My kid went last summer as a rising sophomore and is going again this summer. Nothing through his H.S. coach although is a route as well, strictly through the club.

According to your post, correct me if I am wrong:

Club coach recommends my son this summer. Showtime sends invite out (if they like him) in Sept. My son attends in July of 2016.

My son will be a freshman in Sept. never having played a day in HS, and according to your post, the invite goes out to rising sophomores, jrs. that means he needs to be recommended this summer of 8th grade.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

all correct

Loving this 2018 thread.

Thanks to ALL who are so forth coming with info, details and tips.

I, for one, am grateful for each of you taking the time to go into detail on how to select a Showcase, apply for an application, speak to my club coach, etc.

Very appreciative. I am sure I speak for the many parents out here who are beginning to navigate this process.

Any 2018 parents know anything about the nxt summer camp? If u do well their you get invite to philly freshman showcase. Is it worth it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any 2018 parents know anything about the nxt summer camp? If u do well their you get invite to philly freshman showcase. Is it worth it?

NXT events are top shelf. They are Adrenaline are the only two trusted brands now I think. Everyone accuses of home cooking bias, and sure there's some...Adrenaline is not going to NOT invite every West Coast Stars satellite program kid who is above fair or they'd be answering to a lot of angry WCS customers. But I would say that despite the home cooking factor which is a given everywhere NXT and ADRLN do great events. I'd avoid the Aloha / Crabs ones unless you are a Maryland kid...those are strictly home cooking to promote the MD club team kids.

All the Summer/Fall camps and showcases have become diluted, also, with freshman committing earlier, the quality of players that attend, even Philly Freshman, isn't what it was the previous year. My suggestion is to figure out where your son wants to attend college and focus around events where that school will be sending coaches to work or will attend to watch the event. Don't go crazy, there are a lot of events and this coming year, more will be added. IMHO! FYI - this past Philly Freshman weekend, there was also the Jake Reed, Terp Fall Classic, Fall Brawl, and many other events, DILUTED! YES!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All the Summer/Fall camps and showcases have become diluted, also, with freshman committing earlier, the quality of players that attend, even Philly Freshman, isn't what it was the previous year. My suggestion is to figure out where your son wants to attend college and focus around events where that school will be sending coaches to work or will attend to watch the event. Don't go crazy, there are a lot of events and this coming year, more will be added. IMHO! FYI - this past Philly Freshman weekend, there was also the Jake Reed, Terp Fall Classic, Fall Brawl, and many other events, DILUTED! YES!!

Everything is a crap shoot now. How about you get to FPS and the premadona FOGO that was supposed to be there, blows off the event. Your son's team for the day has next to zero possessions. Perfect for a an attackman. How about multiple attack shifts without touching the ball. Oh and the knucklehead coach won't let your son run middie... Oh yeah and the superstar attack from Ohio when we finally get a possession turns the ball over every time. It's a numbers game folks, some of the best events turn out to be a bust. Some others everyone says are not that good and my son gets a look from an ACC school. It's just the way it is.

Way to go Max Verch on Maryland.

Does anyone know which college the two 2015 philly commits were denied by admissions? I read it on lax all stars but didn't say which school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know which college the two 2015 philly commits were denied by admissions? I read it on lax all stars but didn't say which school.

I doubt you will. These are personal matters for the kids and their families and it is also quite embarrassing. I think you will later see that kids "decided" to de-commit here and go there and that will be about it. There's also a few kids in the DMV area that this happened to. Some admissions offices at the more selective academic schools are sending a message. Any recruit who cruises with less than stellar grades or high enough ACT / SAT scores can be a verbal commit and will not be admitted. This must be very sobering for the coaches who have to do damage control over not getting their early recruits in, but this is the bed they made to lay down on for themselves and unfortunately some very devastated kids.

Did anyone else get the game footage back from Jake Reed? What you think?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone else get the game footage back from Jake Reed? What you think?

would never get it again.

1. watermark
2. poor quality
3. see 1 and 2.

Congrats Drew M., on Air Force.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone else get the game footage back from Jake Reed? What you think?

My son was very happy to SEE the video. To watch the film of the games was very valuable for him.

You know from being a parent on the sideline, the level of competition was great. The speed of the game was fast paced. The pressure was on all the time. These boys are all considered the best players in the region. Placing lacrosse under these conditions was a great experience for my son. He enjoyed that atmosphere and is looking forward to more opportunities to play with the best athletes.

My son was able to see exactly what he did throughout the games. He is using this video as a tool to work on his game. He is going to make adjustments based on what he saw.

In addition, the quality of the video was terrific. Professional camera guys who understand the game of lacrosse were the men who were filming.

Having paid for "professional" lax video before, this one was far more superior.

As far as price, check around, they charged the going rate.

It was worth it for my son.

What were your thougts?

Would you want your son playing varsity as a 9th grader with little playing time or JV with a lot of playing time and being a captain? From a public school.

I was expecting an edited highlight reel of my son....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was expecting an edited highlight reel of my son....

That is the additional package not the standard RAW footage pack.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was expecting an edited highlight reel of my son....

I did not pay for a highlight reel. I did see the notice that I could upgrade to one for the difference in price from the package I ordered. I however, am going to do the highlight tape on my own.

It may not have all the bells and whistles but my son is good and that is what they will see.

Not being a bragger, just stating what has been told to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would you want your son playing varsity as a 9th grader with little playing time or JV with a lot of playing time and being a captain? From a public school.

always play up - games don't matter the improvement and learning come in practice, nobody cares how many goals johnny scores in JV but practicing against 17 year old bigger stronger defensemen or covering stronger quicker players in practice as well as getting better coaching will make him a better player over the summer at recruiting events and next year when he is ready to contribute to the varsity

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would you want your son playing varsity as a 9th grader with little playing time or JV with a lot of playing time and being a captain? From a public school.

always play up - games don't matter the improvement and learning come in practice, nobody cares how many goals johnny scores in JV but practicing against 17 year old bigger stronger defensemen or covering stronger quicker players in practice as well as getting better coaching will make him a better player over the summer at recruiting events and next year when he is ready to contribute to the varsity

I agree wholeheartedly. My son played Varsity as a freshman for a top 25 team in the country, saw some time as a second line middie for parts of the season, didn't play too much at other times. Made him a much better player practicing wit the older, better players and the best coaches typically coach the Varsity team.

I completely agree. It will make the individual work harder and goal set. Are you saying you would rather have your son play on JV and be the best? If you are, then you are going to bring up a young man who will have difficulty with defeat and have limited aspirations. You never want your child to be the best at anything. They should always strive to be better, work harder, want to achieve more.

Think about it, if the kid is good enough to make Varsity in 9th grade, in a strong lax town,chances are he should be ok getting into a good college playing lax, news flash starting kids get all the reps in practice doing 6 on 6 mostly, other kids sitting around watching. i would rather have my kid playing and being with is friends, his time will come.

Chaminade and St Ants players play Freshman and JV before playing varsity. They are both top 5 LI teams. Playing "up" is an ego thing for parents. Sitting and wathching others play is not helping a younger player. Oh yea....when the usual nonsense about the catholics start..... last spring about 20 college coaches watch the Chaminade v St Ants JV games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Think about it, if the kid is good enough to make Varsity in 9th grade, in a strong lax town,chances are he should be ok getting into a good college playing lax, news flash starting kids get all the reps in practice doing 6 on 6 mostly, other kids sitting around watching. i would rather have my kid playing and being with is friends, his time will come.

lets hope his friends are not in remedial classes as well because then you can stunt his academics as well by "letting him be with his friends" treat school ball the same as you treat class work - get him to his highest level that will challenge him and make him work hard to succeed -

Chaminade and St Ants players play Freshman and JV before playing varsity. They are both top 5 LI teams. Playing "up" is an ego thing for parents. Sitting and wathching others play is not helping a younger player. Oh yea....when the usual nonsense about the catholics start..... last spring about 20 college coaches watch the Chaminade v St Ants JV games.

Lets face it....9th grade varsity players are from weak lacrosse schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lets face it....9th grade varsity players are from weak lacrosse schools.

I can only talk about the one town that I know, Syosset. They have been consistently in the top 5 teams in Nassau for the last 10 - 15 years and Syosset has a long history of 8th and 9th graders playing varsity, it is always part ability of the kids and part needs of the team but it has worked well.

Dan Loftus - Started varsity goal as an 8th grader - became starter at Duke, Jeff Cohen started as an 8th grader and is the all time leading goal scorer at Harvard, Ryan lukacovic started as an 8th grader before going to Chaminade now starting attack at Virginia - Alirio DeMeireles stared as a 9th grader on Syosset team that went to State Championship game and is now playing at Yale. Each case is different and each school is different but you can not paint broad strokes like that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lets face it....9th grade varsity players are from weak lacrosse schools.

Really? My son played a lot as a freshman (and not a holdback) and was on a team ranked in the top 25 in the country. There are several kids he knows who were in the same camp. Several also on some of the top LI teams.

Thoughts? 98 student with advanced classes, an elite lax player on a top team. Local public school has excellent academics- mediocre lax team and not great at placing kids in terms of recruiting. Would you push St As or Chaminade? Will he ruin his chances playing for a HS team that no one cares about if he stays local public?. Will his club be enough? He understands academics is priority- lax secondary. We are struggling with this right now.

Going through this ourselves (a few times) I can understand your concerns but your are not the first parent to think their child is too good for a public school team. (I'm sorry, you are saying that) If he is that good and on an "elite" team he will be seen. He will not "ruin his chances" by staying public. We tried both in our family and by chance (& a lot of hard work) it worked out. The Public route has a lot to offer, great academic programs, early varsity play, a lot of playing time & the Nassau/Suffolk all star game in June is a HUGE recruiting opportunity. Chaminade basically speaks for itself (other than becoming snobby elitist lax daddy's on this site😜) but, he will wait 2/3 yrs to see the varsity field. College coaches, however, know Chaminades reputation and it is definitely a plus. St A., is the same thing. Great lax team opportunity but, I'm sorry to say this, it's lacking academically compared to many public programs. (We've been there and done that) IMHO do not count out your town high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts? 98 student with advanced classes, an elite lax player on a top team. Local public school has excellent academics- mediocre lax team and not great at placing kids in terms of recruiting. Would you push St As or Chaminade? Will he ruin his chances playing for a HS team that no one cares about if he stays local public?. Will his club be enough? He understands academics is priority- lax secondary. We are struggling with this right now.

LI STING = Ivies/NESCAC. Talk to K. M. If your son is that good and that smart, it's the only place for him. My son played for them.

Does anyone get rejected by St Anthony's? I hear they take everyone

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone get rejected by St Anthony's? I hear they take everyone

They do take everyone, and your son may never see the starting line for 4 years, and better yet.... he may make the B team and play sub standard teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lets face it....9th grade varsity players are from weak lacrosse schools.

I can only talk about the one town that I know, Syosset. They have been consistently in the top 5 teams in Nassau for the last 10 - 15 years and Syosset has a long history of 8th and 9th graders playing varsity, it is always part ability of the kids and part needs of the team but it has worked well.

Dan Loftus - Started varsity goal as an 8th grader - became starter at Duke, Jeff Cohen started as an 8th grader and is the all time leading goal scorer at Harvard, Ryan lukacovic started as an 8th grader before going to Chaminade now starting attack at Virginia - Alirio DeMeireles stared as a 9th grader on Syosset team that went to State Championship game and is now playing at Yale. Each case is different and each school is different but you can not paint broad strokes like that.

Well, you blew that idiots theory up. Probably very concerned about his superstar seeing the field on the freshman team at Cham or St A's. While his son's friends from his club team play Varsity this spring. Very transparent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone get rejected by St Anthony's? I hear they take everyone

And shouldn't they? Aren't the virtues of Catholicism based in Charity, inclusion, service, and the helping hand? These are the things I learned. I guess that school in Mineola is about elitism, exclusion and privilege? Is that the "new" Catholicism?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone get rejected by St Anthony's? I hear they take everyone

And shouldn't they? Aren't the virtues of Catholicism based in Charity, inclusion, service, and the helping hand? These are the things I learned. I guess that school in Mineola is about elitism, exclusion and privilege? Is that the "new" Catholicism?

Only so many seats you idiot. Just like everything else in life, they take the best, as they should. You must have learned those things at Cyo , not HS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lets face it....9th grade varsity players are from weak lacrosse schools.

I can only talk about the one town that I know, Syosset. They have been consistently in the top 5 teams in Nassau for the last 10 - 15 years and Syosset has a long history of 8th and 9th graders playing varsity, it is always part ability of the kids and part needs of the team but it has worked well.

Dan Loftus - Started varsity goal as an 8th grader - became starter at Duke, Jeff Cohen started as an 8th grader and is the all time leading goal scorer at Harvard, Ryan lukacovic started as an 8th grader before going to Chaminade now starting attack at Virginia - Alirio DeMeireles stared as a 9th grader on Syosset team that went to State Championship game and is now playing at Yale. Each case is different and each school is different but you can not paint broad strokes like that.

Well, you blew that idiots theory up. Probably very concerned about his superstar seeing the field on the freshman team at Cham or St A's. While his son's friends from his club team play Varsity this spring. Very transparent.

So lets see........you named 4 players over quite a few years. 1 who didnt play at Syosset and didnt play varsity at Chaminade as a freshman. Thanks....you made my point. keep telling yourself that your public can compete with the catholics. Sooner or later you may actually believe it. I know your kid is an early committ blah blah. When you go to meet with coaches they know chaminade and st ants.......do they know your public school.......probably not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lets face it....9th grade varsity players are from weak lacrosse schools.

I can only talk about the one town that I know, Syosset. They have been consistently in the top 5 teams in Nassau for the last 10 - 15 years and Syosset has a long history of 8th and 9th graders playing varsity, it is always part ability of the kids and part needs of the team but it has worked well.

Dan Loftus - Started varsity goal as an 8th grader - became starter at Duke, Jeff Cohen started as an 8th grader and is the all time leading goal scorer at Harvard, Ryan lukacovic started as an 8th grader before going to Chaminade now starting attack at Virginia - Alirio DeMeireles stared as a 9th grader on Syosset team that went to State Championship game and is now playing at Yale. Each case is different and each school is different but you can not paint broad strokes like that.

Well, you blew that idiots theory up. Probably very concerned about his superstar seeing the field on the freshman team at Cham or St A's. While his son's friends from his club team play Varsity this spring. Very transparent.

So lets see........you named 4 players over quite a few years. 1 who didnt play at Syosset and didnt play varsity at Chaminade as a freshman. Thanks....you made my point. keep telling yourself that your public can compete with the catholics. Sooner or later you may actually believe it. I know your kid is an early committ blah blah. When you go to meet with coaches they know chaminade and st ants.......do they know your public school.......probably not.

Dude - you can not just change the argument in the middle when you are shown to be wrong. Nobody said anything about comparing public's to privates - the point being discussed is "9th grade varsity players are from weak lacrosse schools" and it was shown that one town that does regularly bring up 8th and 9th graders is not a weak lacrosse school........out

congratulations to Sean Kutten (Chaminade - 91 Extreme) and JP Lannig (Syosset - Express Terps) as the two long island 2018's mentioned in Joe Lombardi's Lax Lessons top 5 2018's in the tristate area.

Who else was mentioned?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who else was mentioned?

it was only 5 total for metro area

Matt Magan - Fox Lane NY - M - Syracuse
Sean Kuttin - Chaminade - M - Hopkins
Griffin Gelinas - Brunswick CT Syracuse
JP Lannig - Syosset - A - Michigan
Evan Zinn - Straples Ct - M - Hopkins

Of course no D, LSM, FOGO or goalies because if you don't score you can't be that good.....lol

Blue Chip 225. How does this compare to other showcases. I know they all cost money, so I am not looking for a value based on cost. I just want to know the exposure value. Thx

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blue Chip 225. How does this compare to other showcases. I know they all cost money, so I am not looking for a value based on cost. I just want to know the exposure value. Thx

Maverik and Jake Reed will have a good amount of coaches at all sessions Blue Chip will only have a strong coaches turnout at the All Star game, I don't think anybody really knows what to expect this summer with all the early commits, I think the Top D1's will be going to 2019 and 2018 events primarily and the rest of the D1's are going to be going to 2017 and 2018 events. I think the the 2016 and 2017 camps will be swarming with D2 and D3 coaches. but that is just MHO, it will be interesting to say the least.

Check out the list of colleges attending, that should tell you a lot, exposure wise. Not a lot of "top" D-1 schools. But if the competition is solid, and you can afford it, it beats 3 days of playing X-box.

What about the Jake Reed camp in MD in July? Will D1 be watching the 2019 and 2018?

Blue Chip 225, Top 205, Peak 200 all smaller college coach crowds if talking about D1. Mainly just show up for all star games. Not much during pool play. Top 2 right now are Maverick and Adrenaline Black Card. Jake Reed losing ground in relevance since inclusion of 3D and tryout process. Sold out for money grab

Have invitations gone out for Adrenaline Black Card?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about the Jake Reed camp in MD in July? Will D1 be watching the 2019 and 2018?

Jake Reed alway has a lot of coaches, last year was the firs for freshman and there were top D-1 coaches there. This event is completely grede specific, at least last year. Rising Sophs and up live and breathe campus life for the days they are there, freshman live and commute in with parents.

Also, last year this time, there was a lot of talk about rising freshman, this year, the chatter is much less, so i'm thinking that maybe the coaches have decided to tone down on all the hype.

You don't hear a lot about this one, but it is every bit as good as Maverick and Nike Blue Chip, but take a look at the Prep School Lacrosse Showcase. Just about every one from DI is there . The only drawback if you can call it a drawback is that it is a one day event and the boys play 3 games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have invitations gone out for Adrenaline Black Card?

Yes

Good read...
http://www.uslacrosse.org/multimedia-center/blog/postid/864/dealing-with-recruiting-realities.aspx

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have invitations gone out for Adrenaline Black Card?

Black Card in a great individual event but the Platinum Cup that follows for the teams in outstanding, coaches are floating around everywhere watching as if they were just regular spectators.

Of the five boys mentioned as Top 2018 lacrosse players - does anybody know if any of them play multiple sports?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have invitations gone out for Adrenaline Black Card?

Black Card in a great individual event but the Platinum Cup that follows for the teams in outstanding, coaches are floating around everywhere watching as if they were just regular spectators.

Got an invite a few weeks ago via email. And I heard that the team event is excellant.

did anyone get an invite for the prep lacrosse showcase? is it true that it is open only to private school kids? if so, what do you think of that?

Dyed anyone get invite for prep showcase? Is it true only open for private school kids? if so, what do you think of that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dyed anyone get invite for prep showcase? Is it true only open for private school kids? if so, what do you think of that?

My son is a Public school applicant and we haven't heard yet. It's their party and they can invite who they want. Doesn't seem unfair to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dyed anyone get invite for prep showcase? Is it true only open for private school kids? if so, what do you think of that?

I posted the info on the Prep School Showcase. My son is a public school kid, and did get an invitation. We have friends who do go to NE West schools who went in the past and that is where their looks and eventual commitments began.

I have no idea if they have a quota system or how they parse out the invitations between kids going to NE West and other prep leagues versus uncommitted players from public schools. That same group is fielding a club team this summer, and most of the coaches are from schools like Trinity Pawling, Deerfield, Salisbury, Brunswick etc., so I would imagine that it is a very prep school heavy invite list.

Need advice for friend. Son is 2018, "A" student, multi-sport athlete and excellent lacrosse player from a non-hotbed area. Not a man-child, but not small. Has gotten good coaching and had fun on travel team, but team just doesn't go to recruiting events. Hasn't played HS yet and, in any event, HS coach isn't connected with D1 coaches (relatively new program). They don't have money to chase after a bunch of showcases. Son will probably do a couple high-DI, good-academic school prospect days. Interest from Ivies or partial scholarship from good academic school would be ideal. Maverick Showtime is closed and unclear whether too late for Black Card. Didn't do 3d Blue Chip in FL because of expense.

Any advice on what showcase he should focus on for this Summer? If family could identify just one, they could at least try to take the initiative to get an invite.

Thanks in advance,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Need advice for friend. Son is 2018, "A" student, multi-sport athlete and excellent lacrosse player from a non-hotbed area. Not a man-child, but not small. Has gotten good coaching and had fun on travel team, but team just doesn't go to recruiting events. Hasn't played HS yet and, in any event, HS coach isn't connected with D1 coaches (relatively new program). They don't have money to chase after a bunch of showcases. Son will probably do a couple high-DI, good-academic school prospect days. Interest from Ivies or partial scholarship from good academic school would be ideal. Maverick Showtime is closed and unclear whether too late for Black Card. Didn't do 3d Blue Chip in FL because of expense.

Any advice on what showcase he should focus on for this Summer? If family could identify just one, they could at least try to take the initiative to get an invite.

Thanks in advance,

Honestly, based on the above, wouldn't do any showcase besides Maverik or Black Card or maybe Prep Showcase if you could still get in. Others not worth it in my opinion. Based on the situation/where we are in the year, focus on the prospect days. Then get on a top club team for next fall, get to Philly Showcase in the fall, and more prospect days in the winter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dyed anyone get invite for prep showcase? Is it true only open for private school kids? if so, what do you think of that?

I posted the info on the Prep School Showcase. My son is a public school kid, and did get an invitation. We have friends who do go to NE West schools who went in the past and that is where their looks and eventual commitments began.

I have no idea if they have a quota system or how they parse out the invitations between kids going to NE West and other prep leagues versus uncommitted players from public schools. That same group is fielding a club team this summer, and most of the coaches are from schools like Trinity Pawling, Deerfield, Salisbury, Brunswick etc., so I would imagine that it is a very prep school heavy invite list.

The email they send out today states....

Showcase Facts
1,684 players applied in 2014 for only 384 spots
125 College Coaches attended in 2014; 108 attended in 2013; 90 attended in 2012; 47 attended in 2011. List of 2014 coaches can be seen HERE.
2015 Date: Sunday May 31, 2015
2015 Venue: Brunswick School, Greenwich, CT
Only uncommitted players are permitted to participate
We handily surpassed last's years application count of over 1,600. The 2,000th application was submitted last week.

Haven't yet applied? You may do so by clicking HERE. No further applications will be accepted after this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Need advice for friend. Son is 2018, "A" student, multi-sport athlete and excellent lacrosse player from a non-hotbed area. Not a man-child, but not small. Has gotten good coaching and had fun on travel team, but team just doesn't go to recruiting events. Hasn't played HS yet and, in any event, HS coach isn't connected with D1 coaches (relatively new program). They don't have money to chase after a bunch of showcases. Son will probably do a couple high-DI, good-academic school prospect days. Interest from Ivies or partial scholarship from good academic school would be ideal. Maverick Showtime is closed and unclear whether too late for Black Card. Didn't do 3d Blue Chip in FL because of expense.

Any advice on what showcase he should focus on for this Summer? If family could identify just one, they could at least try to take the initiative to get an invite.

Thanks in advance,

That would depend on what general, non hotbed, geographical location you come from. I would suggest going to Wolverine War as independent, there is a nice coaching turnout and you will get seen.

Sounds like the NE storm
program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Need advice for friend. Son is 2018, "A" student, multi-sport athlete and excellent lacrosse player from a non-hotbed area. Not a man-child, but not small. Has gotten good coaching and had fun on travel team, but team just doesn't go to recruiting events. Hasn't played HS yet and, in any event, HS coach isn't connected with D1 coaches (relatively new program). They don't have money to chase after a bunch of showcases. Son will probably do a couple high-DI, good-academic school prospect days. Interest from Ivies or partial scholarship from good academic school would be ideal. Maverick Showtime is closed and unclear whether too late for Black Card. Didn't do 3d Blue Chip in FL because of expense.

Any advice on what showcase he should focus on for this Summer? If family could identify just one, they could at least try to take the initiative to get an invite.

Thanks in advance,

He should pick the schools he is interested in attending and go to their camp.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Need advice for friend. Son is 2018, "A" student, multi-sport athlete and excellent lacrosse player from a non-hotbed area. Not a man-child, but not small. Has gotten good coaching and had fun on travel team, but team just doesn't go to recruiting events. Hasn't played HS yet and, in any event, HS coach isn't connected with D1 coaches (relatively new program). They don't have money to chase after a bunch of showcases. Son will probably do a couple high-DI, good-academic school prospect days. Interest from Ivies or partial scholarship from good academic school would be ideal. Maverick Showtime is closed and unclear whether too late for Black Card. Didn't do 3d Blue Chip in FL because of expense.
Any advice on what showcase he should focus on for this Summer? If family could identify just one, they could at least try to take the initiative to get an invite.

Thanks in advance,

He should pick the schools he is interested in attending and go to their camp.

Call a team like Outlaws or Express and see if they can add your son for the summer to their top team, those types of teams always do top events and help with recruiting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Need advice for friend. Son is 2018, "A" student, multi-sport athlete and excellent lacrosse player from a non-hotbed area. Not a man-child, but not small. Has gotten good coaching and had fun on travel team, but team just doesn't go to recruiting events. Hasn't played HS yet and, in any event, HS coach isn't connected with D1 coaches (relatively new program). They don't have money to chase after a bunch of showcases. Son will probably do a couple high-DI, good-academic school prospect days. Interest from Ivies or partial scholarship from good academic school would be ideal. Maverick Showtime is closed and unclear whether too late for Black Card. Didn't do 3d Blue Chip in FL because of expense.
Any advice on what showcase he should focus on for this Summer? If family could identify just one, they could at least try to take the initiative to get an invite.

Thanks in advance,

He should pick the schools he is interested in attending and go to their camp.

Call a team like Outlaws or Express and see if they can add your son for the summer to their top team, those types of teams always do top events and help with recruiting.

Outlaws is money grab. They already have 30 kids on that team. Express is good, but your best bet is to look outside long island for a D1 recruiting club team like 3D or New England Storm. They have big connections.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Need advice for friend. Son is 2018, "A" student, multi-sport athlete and excellent lacrosse player from a non-hotbed area. Not a man-child, but not small. Has gotten good coaching and had fun on travel team, but team just doesn't go to recruiting events. Hasn't played HS yet and, in any event, HS coach isn't connected with D1 coaches (relatively new program). They don't have money to chase after a bunch of showcases. Son will probably do a couple high-DI, good-academic school prospect days. Interest from Ivies or partial scholarship from good academic school would be ideal. Maverick Showtime is closed and unclear whether too late for Black Card. Didn't do 3d Blue Chip in FL because of expense.
Any advice on what showcase he should focus on for this Summer? If family could identify just one, they could at least try to take the initiative to get an invite.

Thanks in advance,

He should pick the schools he is interested in attending and go to their camp.

Call a team like Outlaws or Express and see if they can add your son for the summer to their top team, those types of teams always do top events and help with recruiting.

Outlaws is money grab. They already have 30 kids on that team. Express is good, but your best bet is to look outside long island for a D1 recruiting club team like 3D or New England Storm. They have big connections.

Outlaws not a money grab. Club is doing 10 summer tourns and best kids go to best tourns. Their top 5 tournaments are as good or better than any other club for exposure. No more than 22-23 on sidelines per tourn. If kid is a stud he will go to best tourns. Well known fact that another 2018 team had 32 kids on sidelines last year. Not the Outlaws, sorry try again. BTW, what team does your superstar play for? Watch, crickets now...

Long Island Express Team 1 Summer schedule is out.. looks like another challenging tournament schedule.

Your parents hate that model.
Stop acing like the model works. Everyone hates it. You went 3-10 last fall

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long Island Express Team 1 Summer schedule is out.. looks like another challenging tournament schedule.

not on the website???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your parents hate that model.
Stop acing like the model works. Everyone hates it. You went 3-10 last fall

I didn't do anything, my son did. Funny, the coaches we've met with, and spoken to from the fall, had no recollection of a 7-4 win or an 8-5 loss. Do you really think it's still about who wins the games? That's funny. Do you think the only kids that will get recruited are on Extreme or Terps for the class of 2018 on LI, just because they win a lot? There were 120 plus D1 recruits and probably another 250 D2 and D3 recruits from the class of 2014. Most weren't with one of those clubs. Do you see how silly you sound? It's about individual performance and exposure. I'll ask again: What team does your kid play for?

The Prep School Lacrosse Showcase is NOT just for private school players. Because of the timing of the event, the majority of the players are from private schools. However, public school players have always been considered. Last year approx 2 dozen players from quite a few public schools participated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were 120 plus D1 recruits and probably another 250 D2 and D3 recruits from the class of 2014. Most weren't with one of those clubs.

Do you see how silly you sound? Express 2015 has 31 Commits (21 D1) so yes while most of the 250 commits are not on the express a [lacrosse] of a lot of them are

Nick Biasi - St. John's
Colin Burke - Fairfield
Christopher Buscemi - St. John's
Liam Byrnes - Gettsburg
Kyle Buser - Richmond
John Daniggelis - Yale
Paul Dilena - Marist
Tyler Dunn - UPenn
Jack Fowler - Duke
Joseph Froccaro - Princeton
Tommy Garner - Drew University
Connor Harper - Pace
Matthew Huber -Washington & Lee
Danny Jones - Hopkins
Michael Laviano - Ohio State
Ryan Lee - Richmond
Joseph Licciardi - UPenn
Joe McGuigan - Mt St Mary's
Zack Merle - Lafayette
Liam Monarchio - Pace
Thomas O'Connell - Maryland
Brendan Quinn - Fairfield
Thomas Reynolds - Tampa
Tyler Reynolds - Tampa
Tyler Sehring - Lafayette
Jeff Sikorsky - Lafayette
Patrick Slovensky - Tampa
Jack Sullivan - Binghamton
Tommy Terino - NYIT
Steven Weindler - Seton Hill
Brian Willets - North Carolina

What does the Outlaw College list look like for 2017, 2016 and 2015.?

just call a team like Outlaws top team or Express top team and , what ....join?
that's a great plan. no need for you or your kid to attend tryouts. genious....

Express would add him in a heartbeat. $$$$$

Outlaw top team of 2014 ? where are they?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express would add him in a heartbeat. $$$$$

Yes...to Team 3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does the Outlaw College list look like for 2017, 2016 and 2015.?

Lots of D3 and D2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does the Outlaw College list look like for 2017, 2016 and 2015.?

Lots of D3 and D2

All listed on web site, Lots of D 1

Ok Mr outlaw lets see how funny it sounds
Two games top teams and your 3-10 outlaw team at same time at same tournament
Mr coach is not going to your game period unless he is watching particular player. He is going to a team that is proven Not 3-10.
Wake up and smell the coffee. There is only one reason to have 32 players on a team- Money for your pocket-. Heck 24 is allot.
Stop with straw man argument justify 32 players on one team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does the Outlaw College list look like for 2017, 2016 and 2015.?

Lots of D3 and D2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok Mr outlaw lets see how funny it sounds
Two games top teams and your 3-10 outlaw team at same time at same tournament
Mr coach is not going to your game period unless he is watching particular player. He is going to a team that is proven Not 3-10.
Wake up and smell the coffee. There is only one reason to have 32 players on a team- Money for your pocket-. Heck 24 is allot.
Stop with straw man argument justify 32 players on one team

Again, Mr Outlaw hater, what team does your kid play for? (he won't give a straight answer, watch he'll follow up with another hit at the kids)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaw top team of 2014 ? where are they?

30 plus playing college, 18 D1. On website.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaw top team of 2014 ? where are they?

30 plus playing college, 18 D1. On website.

LOL.....website also says Myles Jones is a coach.

Lol he is a outlaw coach

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaw top team of 2014 ? where are they?

30 plus playing college, 18 D1. On website.

LOL.....website also says Myles Jones is a coach.

Where at Outlaw summer camp?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just call a team like Outlaws top team or Express top team and , what ....join?
that's a great plan. no need for you or your kid to attend tryouts. genious....

Outlaws have 32 players and running ad for two more. You never know. Give a call!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaw top team of 2014 ? where are they?

30 plus playing college, 18 D1. On website.

LOL.....website also says Myles Jones is a coach.

He has coached my kid last 2 years and is very good with them, not sure your point...

Not an outlaw parent; however, I did see him in PA coaching an outlaw team after one if our games..

You people are funny on this site!

Its very interesting how players and their abilities are changing so much in this particular year. Many of the boys are now maturing at an incredible rate both physically and mentally. It is amazing how coaches especially college coaches are so willing to commit to players at such a young age (14 and 15 years old). I think we all have been around those boys who seem to be way more physically mature than the others on his team. Most of the time they are the biggest, fastest, and best on their team at a young age like 5th through 8th grade. Interesting thing is most of these boys will have reached or peaked on height and size earlier than most. There is a nice indicator its called parents. Usually if dads 5'5 odds are kid will grow a bit taller but not a whole foot. It is during the next few years where many boys will pass these early bloomers in height and weight. If the skill was there these boys now will have the edge. So parents don't fret if your boy isn't one of these early commits. Teach them to be hungry and work hard because their time will come. Remember an early commit is just verbal, nothing more. These coaches really only care about one thing and it's their job. Some do it with more dignity and honor than others but it's still a job. They need to win or lose their job. Good luck to all the boys in 2018 and keep working

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaw top team of 2014 ? where are they?

30 plus playing college, 18 D1. On website.

LOL.....website also says Myles Jones is a coach.

He has coached my kid last 2 years and is very good with them, not sure your point...

Played against them last year. He seemed like an excellent coach and a nice young man. Even took pictures with opposing team members

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaw top team of 2014 ? where are they?

30 plus playing college, 18 D1. On website.

LOL.....website also says Myles Jones is a coach.

He has coached my kid last 2 years and is very good with them, not sure your point...

Played against them last year. He seemed like an excellent coach and a nice young man. Even took pictures with opposing team members

This sounds cool, what grade does he coach, and how does he coach when he is playing down in Carolina?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaw top team of 2014 ? where are they?

30 plus playing college, 18 D1. On website.

LOL.....website also says Myles Jones is a coach.

He has coached my kid last 2 years and is very good with them, not sure your point...

Played against them last year. He seemed like an excellent coach and a nice young man. Even took pictures with opposing team members

This sounds cool, what grade does he coach, and how does he coach when he is playing down in Carolina?

Why couldnt he coach, last I checked College is over after memorial day. I know a number of teams that don't start until after that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaw top team of 2014 ? where are they?

30 plus playing college, 18 D1. On website.

LOL.....website also says Myles Jones is a coach.

Myles is great young that coaches 9th grade in the summer time when he is done with school!

He has coached my kid last 2 years and is very good with them, not sure your point...

Played against them last year. He seemed like an excellent coach and a nice young man. Even took pictures with opposing team members

This sounds cool, what grade does he coach, and how does he coach when he is playing down in Carolina?

If his public school is Syosett, Smithtown East or West, Massapequa, West Islip, etc. (not a complete list no offense to other schools. . .), the answer is YES, the college coaches would know, recognize and respect their PUBLIC school.

News Flash: If you send your "marginal" kid to St. Anthony's of Chaminade and he gets lost in the shuffle and doesn't see the field, congrats! you just shot yourself in the foot genius, your flawed plan backfired!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If his public school is Syosett, Smithtown East or West, Massapequa, West Islip, etc. (not a complete list no offense to other schools. . .), the answer is YES, the college coaches would know, recognize and respect their PUBLIC school.

News Flash: If you send your "marginal" kid to St. Anthony's of Chaminade and he gets lost in the shuffle and doesn't see the field, congrats! you just shot yourself in the foot genius, your flawed plan backfired!

what is this referring to. I understand your point but where does it stem from. I would think this belongs on the 2019 thread as they are the ones who are mulling over this thought process. The 2018's are already there and by now they know where the stand

Still have not justified 32 players and again with strawman argument -What team does my son play for? I have not bashed kids just organization for ripping off parents

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still have not justified 32 players and again with strawman argument -What team does my son play for? I have not bashed kids just organization for ripping off parents

Sorry you have zero understanding of the word "opportunity". Outlaws are giving 32 kids, including mine, the opportunity to play and be see in a great list of 10 tournaments. There will never be more than 22-24 kids on the side line for any single tournament. Will some be more happy than others, for sure. Same as parents on your team aren't so happy when there kid never sees the field in a recruiting tournament because your coach keeps the same kids on the field in order to win at all cost. They drive to MD and the kid sees a few minutes in a few games while the top kids never leave the field. Who's getting ripped off? The large Roster Model gives more kids more opportunity and is a proven method. Just look at LI Sting, they've been doing the same for 15 plus years with way more than 32 kids on their roster. They have more recruits than Express, 91, and whatever team your kid plays for combined. By the way, Sting also doesn't win every game they play either. Their focus, like Outlaws is exposure. They win more based on which kids are there. Now, not only have I justified the 32 on a roster, I've proven that the model works for lacrosse recruitment, and has for well over 15 years. Well before the team your kid plays for, even existed. I've also proven that a kid that barely sees the field on team like your son's is really the one getting ripped off. So Mr. Strawman, what team does your kid play for?

It does not work your parents are miserable. Ask them they all hate the 32 man roster even your best players that go to every tournament.
Believe me they talk.
There is only one reason to have 32 man roster to increase revenue-period

You are not going get exposure at 3-10

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still have not justified 32 players and again with strawman argument -What team does my son play for? I have not bashed kids just organization for ripping off parents

Sorry you have zero understanding of the word "opportunity". Outlaws are giving 32 kids, including mine, the opportunity to play and be see in a great list of 10 tournaments. There will never be more than 22-24 kids on the side line for any single tournament. Will some be more happy than others, for sure. Same as parents on your team aren't so happy when there kid never sees the field in a recruiting tournament because your coach keeps the same kids on the field in order to win at all cost. They drive to MD and the kid sees a few minutes in a few games while the top kids never leave the field. Who's getting ripped off? The large Roster Model gives more kids more opportunity and is a proven method. Just look at LI Sting, they've been doing the same for 15 plus years with way more than 32 kids on their roster. They have more recruits than Express, 91, and whatever team your kid plays for combined. By the way, Sting also doesn't win every game they play either. Their focus, like Outlaws is exposure. They win more based on which kids are there. Now, not only have I justified the 32 on a roster, I've proven that the model works for lacrosse recruitment, and has for well over 15 years. Well before the team your kid plays for, even existed. I've also proven that a kid that barely sees the field on team like your son's is really the one getting ripped off. So Mr. Strawman, what team does your kid play for?

He plays for the Outlaws and hates it!!

is he a pole?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still have not justified 32 players and again with strawman argument -What team does my son play for? I have not bashed kids just organization for ripping off parents

Sorry you have zero understanding of the word "opportunity". Outlaws are giving 32 kids, including mine, the opportunity to play and be see in a great list of 10 tournaments. There will never be more than 22-24 kids on the side line for any single tournament. Will some be more happy than others, for sure. Same as parents on your team aren't so happy when there kid never sees the field in a recruiting tournament because your coach keeps the same kids on the field in order to win at all cost. They drive to MD and the kid sees a few minutes in a few games while the top kids never leave the field. Who's getting ripped off? The large Roster Model gives more kids more opportunity and is a proven method. Just look at LI Sting, they've been doing the same for 15 plus years with way more than 32 kids on their roster. They have more recruits than Express, 91, and whatever team your kid plays for combined. By the way, Sting also doesn't win every game they play either. Their focus, like Outlaws is exposure. They win more based on which kids are there. Now, not only have I justified the 32 on a roster, I've proven that the model works for lacrosse recruitment, and has for well over 15 years. Well before the team your kid plays for, even existed. I've also proven that a kid that barely sees the field on team like your son's is really the one getting ripped off. So Mr. Strawman, what team does your kid play for?

He plays for the Outlaws and hates it!!

Odds are its not an Outlaws current players parent. Sounds more like an ex players stirring the pot. Everyone who signed up was told from the very beginning the structure. No surprises.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It does not work your parents are miserable. Ask them they all hate the 32 man roster even your best players that go to every tournament.
Believe me they talk.
There is only one reason to have 32 man roster to increase revenue-period

Ok, Sorry. I proved you wrong with fact, I just won't argue with stupid. If the parents are unhappy, as a fellow parent I suggest they find another place to play where they can be happy. I sat through Director's talk before anyone accepted team invitation and it was clearly laid out. Good luck to your son wherever he plays.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still have not justified 32 players and again with strawman argument -What team does my son play for? I have not bashed kids just organization for ripping off parents

Sorry you have zero understanding of the word "opportunity". Outlaws are giving 32 kids, including mine, the opportunity to play and be see in a great list of 10 tournaments. There will never be more than 22-24 kids on the side line for any single tournament. Will some be more happy than others, for sure. Same as parents on your team aren't so happy when there kid never sees the field in a recruiting tournament because your coach keeps the same kids on the field in order to win at all cost. They drive to MD and the kid sees a few minutes in a few games while the top kids never leave the field. Who's getting ripped off? The large Roster Model gives more kids more opportunity and is a proven method. Just look at LI Sting, they've been doing the same for 15 plus years with way more than 32 kids on their roster. They have more recruits than Express, 91, and whatever team your kid plays for combined. By the way, Sting also doesn't win every game they play either. Their focus, like Outlaws is exposure. They win more based on which kids are there. Now, not only have I justified the 32 on a roster, I've proven that the model works for lacrosse recruitment, and has for well over 15 years. Well before the team your kid plays for, even existed. I've also proven that a kid that barely sees the field on team like your son's is really the one getting ripped off. So Mr. Strawman, what team does your kid play for?

He plays for the Outlaws and hates it!!

I don't believe that for a second. If by chance that really is the case, why don't you go somewhere else? Talk to PB, I'm sure they would help you move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If his public school is Syosett, Smithtown East or West, Massapequa, West Islip, etc. (not a complete list no offense to other schools. . .), the answer is YES, the college coaches would know, recognize and respect their PUBLIC school.

News Flash: If you send your "marginal" kid to St. Anthony's of Chaminade and he gets lost in the shuffle and doesn't see the field, congrats! you just shot yourself in the foot genius, your flawed plan backfired!

There are no "marginal" kids on the Chaminade varsity. They can all play. Public school teams would be built around these kids if they had stayed in their districts.

typical Chaminade booster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If his public school is Syosett, Smithtown East or West, Massapequa, West Islip, etc. (not a complete list no offense to other schools. . .), the answer is YES, the college coaches would know, recognize and respect their PUBLIC school.

News Flash: If you send your "marginal" kid to St. Anthony's of Chaminade and he gets lost in the shuffle and doesn't see the field, congrats! you just shot yourself in the foot genius, your flawed plan backfired!

There are no "marginal" kids on the Chaminade varsity. They can all play. Public school teams would be built around these kids if they had stayed in their districts.

I think you are making the original posters point for him, a non starter at chaminade might have been an important part of his home town HS team instead of maybe not seeing the field at Chaminade

conversely....kids who stay in hometown public school often could have been a star at Chammy. goes both ways . where do you get the notion that there is no such thing as a marginal player at Chaminade? that's so elitist and silly its funny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If his public school is Syosett, Smithtown East or West, Massapequa, West Islip, etc. (not a complete list no offense to other schools. . .), the answer is YES, the college coaches would know, recognize and respect their PUBLIC school.

News Flash: If you send your "marginal" kid to St. Anthony's of Chaminade and he gets lost in the shuffle and doesn't see the field, congrats! you just shot yourself in the foot genius, your flawed plan backfired!

There are no "marginal" kids on the Chaminade varsity. They can all play. Public school teams would be built around these kids if they had stayed in their districts.

I think you are making the original posters point for him, a non starter at chaminade might have been an important part of his home town HS team instead of maybe not seeing the field at Chaminade

Well, there are 90 kids trying out for the Freshman Chammy team this year. They take 35-40. So 50 or so of those kids could be heading back to Public School for next year...

I have heard that many many kids try out and they keep 40-50. depends on # of jerseys. als, anyone else hear about the "secret" workouts that some supporters/parents organize prior to tryouts?

Why I thought they went there for the fine education. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have heard that many many kids try out and they keep 40-50. depends on # of jerseys. als, anyone else hear about the "secret" workouts that some supporters/parents organize prior to tryouts?

Those "secret" workouts were not a secrete. It was organized by one of the fathers. It was a word of mouth to start. No one was excluded, because there was no "list" of who was trying out. Sunday night at the Hub.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If his public school is Syosett, Smithtown East or West, Massapequa, West Islip, etc. (not a complete list no offense to other schools. . .), the answer is YES, the college coaches would know, recognize and respect their PUBLIC school.

News Flash: If you send your "marginal" kid to St. Anthony's of Chaminade and he gets lost in the shuffle and doesn't see the field, congrats! you just shot yourself in the foot genius, your flawed plan backfired!

There are no "marginal" kids on the Chaminade varsity. They can all play. Public school teams would be built around these kids if they had stayed in their districts.

I think you are making the original posters point for him, a non starter at chaminade might have been an important part of his home town HS team instead of maybe not seeing the field at Chaminade

Well, there are 90 kids trying out for the Freshman Chammy team this year. They take 35-40. So 50 or so of those kids could be heading back to Public School for next year...

Are you talking about the St Anthony freshman class?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If his public school is Syosett, Smithtown East or West, Massapequa, West Islip, etc. (not a complete list no offense to other schools. . .), the answer is YES, the college coaches would know, recognize and respect their PUBLIC school.

News Flash: If you send your "marginal" kid to St. Anthony's of Chaminade and he gets lost in the shuffle and doesn't see the field, congrats! you just shot yourself in the foot genius, your flawed plan backfired!

There are no "marginal" kids on the Chaminade varsity. They can all play. Public school teams would be built around these kids if they had stayed in their districts.

I think you are making the original posters point for him, a non starter at chaminade might have been an important part of his home town HS team instead of maybe not seeing the field at Chaminade

Well, there are 90 kids trying out for the Freshman Chammy team this year. They take 35-40. So 50 or so of those kids could be heading back to Public School for next year...

Are you talking about the St Anthony freshman class?

I believe he is referring to Chaminade.

Ok can see where the confusion can occur with Chanenchuk at St. Anthonys and Chammy Team.

Ok so all these so called great players tryout, people are saying 90 kids for approximately 45 to 50 slots. What do these kids do who don't make team. How many goalies are trying out at Chaminade we know the one goalie from 2018 Terps has one spot now the others are trying out for one slot. Just using this as an example. Will the other goalies get any time?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok so all these so called great players tryout, people are saying 90 kids for approximately 45 to 50 slots. What do these kids do who don't make team. How many goalies are trying out at Chaminade we know the one goalie from 2018 Terps has one spot now the others are trying out for one slot. Just using this as an example. Will the other goalies get any time?

The Chaminade teams usually have 5-8 goalies and only 1 plays. If it is a huge blow out the #2 will get some time but that's it.

How do these goalies justify sitting on the bench. Can't get better there. One goalie who is attending Chaminade as a 2018 grad already walked off a team because he wasn't getting playing time and another reclassified because of the goalie playing there.

Someone on 2018 must be in the know regarding the 3d venture with USA Today for the upcoming Great State Showdown-GSS.

All I heard in FL was: 24 players will be rostered for each regional team to play in the Championship game in PA at the end of July/beginning of August.

Does anyone know how players get invited to try-out for one of the 50 spots on the spring evaluation team for each region?

The website states it is INVITE only, $200 for tryouts, only selecting 50 players from all who are invited to come to the tryouts (a few players for each position). Those 50 players will be evaluated and then 24 players will be selected to represent each region.

Just wondering if:

1- if the players are selected on past performance associated with 3d events??
2- if players are invited by coach recommendation??
3- if your son is not a powerhouse player on a powerhouse team, do not even bother mentioning it to him???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do these goalies justify sitting on the bench. Can't get better there. One goalie who is attending Chaminade as a 2018 grad already walked off a team because he wasn't getting playing time and another reclassified because of the goalie playing there.

Not sure, but I would say some goalies are there because they want a better education than their local HS can afford them, and not just there for lacrosse. They get to put the sport on their resume if they are rostered and they rely on their club team for play. They get better because they do have a good team shooting on them at practice and they get two good coaches to recruit for them- HS and club. I could be wrong, but I believe I have heard that both ST As and Chaminade consistently place their goalies in good schools and not just their starting goalie. I do agree it has to be hard to be a good goalie and never get a chance to play and I would not blame some kids if they leave Chaminade or St As if they do not make the team or get to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone on 2018 must be in the know regarding the 3d venture with USA Today for the upcoming Great State Showdown-GSS.

All I heard in FL was: 24 players will be rostered for each regional team to play in the Championship game in PA at the end of July/beginning of August.

Does anyone know how players get invited to try-out for one of the 50 spots on the spring evaluation team for each region?

The website states it is INVITE only, $200 for tryouts, only selecting 50 players from all who are invited to come to the tryouts (a few players for each position). Those 50 players will be evaluated and then 24 players will be selected to represent each region.

Just wondering if:

1- if the players are selected on past performance associated with 3d events??
2- if players are invited by coach recommendation??
3- if your son is not a powerhouse player on a powerhouse team, do not even bother mentioning it to him???

if this is anything like the rest of the events that 3d runs, if you are not on 3d, chances are, even the top LI players will not get the option to tryout, 3d promotes their players first and will usually take a mediocre 3d player over a top non-3d player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do these goalies justify sitting on the bench. Can't get better there. One goalie who is attending Chaminade as a 2018 grad already walked off a team because he wasn't getting playing time and another reclassified because of the goalie playing there.

Not sure, but I would say some goalies are there because they want a better education than their local HS can afford them, and not just there for lacrosse. They get to put the sport on their resume if they are rostered and they rely on their club team for play. They get better because they do have a good team shooting on them at practice and they get two good coaches to recruit for them- HS and club. I could be wrong, but I believe I have heard that both ST As and Chaminade consistently place their goalies in good schools and not just their starting goalie. I do agree it has to be hard to be a good goalie and never get a chance to play and I would not blame some kids if they leave Chaminade or St As if they do not make the team or get to play.

Agree about the education part. The issue about getting better is if there are 6 goalies goalie #1 gets most reps with starting players then #2 some reps. How can there be enough time for the others get any quality reps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do these goalies justify sitting on the bench. Can't get better there. One goalie who is attending Chaminade as a 2018 grad already walked off a team because he wasn't getting playing time and another reclassified because of the goalie playing there.

Not sure, but I would say some goalies are there because they want a better education than their local HS can afford them, and not just there for lacrosse. They get to put the sport on their resume if they are rostered and they rely on their club team for play. They get better because they do have a good team shooting on them at practice and they get two good coaches to recruit for them- HS and club. I could be wrong, but I believe I have heard that both ST As and Chaminade consistently place their goalies in good schools and not just their starting goalie. I do agree it has to be hard to be a good goalie and never get a chance to play and I would not blame some kids if they leave Chaminade or St As if they do not make the team or get to play.

Agree about the education part. The issue about getting better is if there are 6 goalies goalie #1 gets most reps with starting players then #2 some reps. How can there be enough time for the others get any quality reps.

Okay- true... 5-6 goalies seem like too many. How many FO do they take?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do these goalies justify sitting on the bench. Can't get better there. One goalie who is attending Chaminade as a 2018 grad already walked off a team because he wasn't getting playing time and another reclassified because of the goalie playing there.

Not sure, but I would say some goalies are there because they want a better education than their local HS can afford them, and not just there for lacrosse. They get to put the sport on their resume if they are rostered and they rely on their club team for play. They get better because they do have a good team shooting on them at practice and they get two good coaches to recruit for them- HS and club. I could be wrong, but I believe I have heard that both ST As and Chaminade consistently place their goalies in good schools and not just their starting goalie. I do agree it has to be hard to be a good goalie and never get a chance to play and I would not blame some kids if they leave Chaminade or St As if they do not make the team or get to play.

Agree about the education part. The issue about getting better is if there are 6 goalies goalie #1 gets most reps with starting players then #2 some reps. How can there be enough time for the others get any quality reps.

Okay- true... 5-6 goalies seem like too many. How many FO do they take?

FOGO guys are a different situation. You can have 4 and they can just constantly be working on their craft all alone. 2 guys going head to head live and 2 guys working the sidelines going live or pinching and popping all day long. If they are not just FOGO then running with the middies. Goalies need to be playing in live game situation and have a set of trained eyes on them to asses and evaluate during practice and training situations.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone on 2018 must be in the know regarding the 3d venture with USA Today for the upcoming Great State Showdown-GSS.

All I heard in FL was: 24 players will be rostered for each regional team to play in the Championship game in PA at the end of July/beginning of August.

Does anyone know how players get invited to try-out for one of the 50 spots on the spring evaluation team for each region?

The website states it is INVITE only, $200 for tryouts, only selecting 50 players from all who are invited to come to the tryouts (a few players for each position). Those 50 players will be evaluated and then 24 players will be selected to represent each region.

Just wondering if:

1- if the players are selected on past performance associated with 3d events??
2- if players are invited by coach recommendation??
3- if your son is not a powerhouse player on a powerhouse team, do not even bother mentioning it to him???

if this is anything like the rest of the events that 3d runs, if you are not on 3d, chances are, even the top LI players will not get the option to tryout, 3d promotes their players first and will usually take a mediocre 3d player over a top non-3d player.

If that is the case, which teams from Westchester, NYC, LI have 3d affiliations?

That would mean that the players from those teams would be entered as NY Downstate region players. Why would they advertise if they have preselected players to fill the 50 spots.

The Empire State Team/LI Region had tryouts and selected players to make up the teams. It did not matter which club affiliation the players were with. The best players were selected and they played.

Any insight????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone on 2018 must be in the know regarding the 3d venture with USA Today for the upcoming Great State Showdown-GSS.

All I heard in FL was: 24 players will be rostered for each regional team to play in the Championship game in PA at the end of July/beginning of August.

Does anyone know how players get invited to try-out for one of the 50 spots on the spring evaluation team for each region?

The website states it is INVITE only, $200 for tryouts, only selecting 50 players from all who are invited to come to the tryouts (a few players for each position). Those 50 players will be evaluated and then 24 players will be selected to represent each region.

Just wondering if:

1- if the players are selected on past performance associated with 3d events??
2- if players are invited by coach recommendation??
3- if your son is not a powerhouse player on a powerhouse team, do not even bother mentioning it to him???

if this is anything like the rest of the events that 3d runs, if you are not on 3d, chances are, even the top LI players will not get the option to tryout, 3d promotes their players first and will usually take a mediocre 3d player over a top non-3d player.

If that is the case, which teams from Westchester, NYC, LI have 3d affiliations?

That would mean that the players from those teams would be entered as NY Downstate region players. Why would they advertise if they have preselected players to fill the 50 spots.

The Empire State Team/LI Region had tryouts and selected players to make up the teams. It did not matter which club affiliation the players were with. The best players were selected and they played.

Any insight????

The best players played in Empire state? They were asking kids to play without seeing them. These are all fun events, but every one is a money grab. No value playing there except getting a cool helmet or shirt and feeling good about yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone on 2018 must be in the know regarding the 3d venture with USA Today for the upcoming Great State Showdown-GSS.

All I heard in FL was: 24 players will be rostered for each regional team to play in the Championship game in PA at the end of July/beginning of August.

Does anyone know how players get invited to try-out for one of the 50 spots on the spring evaluation team for each region?

The website states it is INVITE only, $200 for tryouts, only selecting 50 players from all who are invited to come to the tryouts (a few players for each position). Those 50 players will be evaluated and then 24 players will be selected to represent each region.

Just wondering if:

1- if the players are selected on past performance associated with 3d events??
2- if players are invited by coach recommendation??
3- if your son is not a powerhouse player on a powerhouse team, do not even bother mentioning it to him???

if this is anything like the rest of the events that 3d runs, if you are not on 3d, chances are, even the top LI players will not get the option to tryout, 3d promotes their players first and will usually take a mediocre 3d player over a top non-3d player.

If that is the case, which teams from Westchester, NYC, LI have 3d affiliations?

That would mean that the players from those teams would be entered as NY Downstate region players. Why would they advertise if they have preselected players to fill the 50 spots.

The Empire State Team/LI Region had tryouts and selected players to make up the teams. It did not matter which club affiliation the players were with. The best players were selected and they played.

Any insight????

The best players played in Empire state? They were asking kids to play without seeing them. These are all fun events, but every one is a money grab. No value playing there except getting a cool helmet or shirt and feeling good about yourself.

Can anyone else, who may have had a son play for a 3d team/event, shed some light. According to the website, 16 regions will be convening in PA for a championship weekend. From what I saw at 3d camp in FL a few weeks back, there is plenty of talent out there, many not 3d, especially from here on LI.

It is a shame that we have the parent who thinks that is it only about a helmet wrap.

I do not doubt the 3d player will be recognized first, but NY Downstate, which must include LI, has some of the best players who are not 3d affiliated. I am hard pressed to believe those boys will be overlooked if given an opportunity to tryout especially those 2018/19/20.

Summer tournament schedule - what tourneys are teams headed to this summer? What are considered to be the best tourneys for getting seen by college coaches?

Showcase concern/question:

Before I click send with my cc info and no chance of a refund----

If your son has attended please enlighten me about:

FAB FROSH ---- Invites are out and I need to reply.

TOP 205 Lacrosse ----Invites are out and I need to reply.

LIExpress 2018 - Team 1
June 13 & 14 Adrenaline, Plymouth, MA
June 20 & 21 Big Four, Philadelphia, PA
June 27 & 28 Lax Clash, Uniondale, NY
July 11 & 12 Super Series
July 23 & 26 U15 National Championships
Aug. 3 & 5 Lake Placid

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Showcase concern/question:

Before I click send with my cc info and no chance of a refund----

If your son has attended please enlighten me about:

FAB FROSH ---- Invites are out and I need to reply.

TOP 205 Lacrosse ----Invites are out and I need to reply.

Don't get too carried away with all these showcases, I suggest, if you son is truly tops in his position, select 2 events, really doesn't matter, there are D1 coaches at almost every event to get an idea of what the coaches are looking for, then isolate what schools he is interested in and follow what they are doing or attending. The number of showcases from last year to this coming year has already increased.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LIExpress 2018 - Team 1
June 13 & 14 Adrenaline, Plymouth, MA
June 20 & 21 Big Four, Philadelphia, PA
June 27 & 28 Lax Clash, Uniondale, NY
July 11 & 12 Super Series
July 23 & 26 U15 National Championships
Aug. 3 & 5 Lake Placid

How about the other 2018 teams? Extreme? Outlaws? Jesters? fl$? 91 Orange?

Brine tryouts are this Friday - lots of controversy over selections last year - any thoughts going into this year?

Team Long Island 2018 White
Baltimore Crab Fest 6/27-28
Best of the Best (Mitchell field) 7/6-7
NXT Cup Philly Invitational 7/11-12
Hofstra Blue Gold 7/17-18
U-15 National Championship (Richmond,Va.) 7/23-26

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brine tryouts are this Friday - lots of controversy over selections last year - any thoughts going into this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brine tryouts are this Friday - lots of controversy over selections last year - any thoughts going into this year?

Second round if tryouts. What about all of the boys selected in December? Are they adding another 50 or more from this tryout?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brine tryouts are this Friday - lots of controversy over selections last year - any thoughts going into this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brine tryouts are this Friday - lots of controversy over selections last year - any thoughts going into this year?

Second round if tryouts. What about all of the boys selected in December? Are they adding another 50 or more from this tryout?

This is the first round of tryouts for the 2018 Brine Long Island Team. To the best of my knowledge there were no tryouts in December. Please correct me if I am wrong. Notices for this tryout date just went out via email to those who were invited.

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brine tryouts are this Friday - lots of controversy over selections last year - any thoughts going into this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brine tryouts are this Friday - lots of controversy over selections last year - any thoughts going into this year?

Second round if tryouts. What about all of the boys selected in December? Are they adding another 50 or more from this tryout?

This is the first round of tryouts for the 2018 Brine Long Island Team. To the best of my knowledge there were no tryouts in December. Please correct me if I am wrong. Notices for this tryout date just went out via email to those who were invited.

You sir, are correct. The Middle School division had December tryouts and are also holding a second round on Sat. They will be the team with the extra boys going to play in June for the whole bucket of worms.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LIExpress 2018 - Team 1
June 13 & 14 Adrenaline, Plymouth, MA
June 20 & 21 Big Four, Philadelphia, PA
June 27 & 28 Lax Clash, Uniondale, NY
July 11 & 12 Super Series
July 23 & 26 U15 National Championships
Aug. 3 & 5 Lake Placid

How about the other 2018 teams? Extreme? Outlaws? Jesters? fl$? 91 Orange?

Schedule for other LIExpress 2018 teams on their website.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brine tryouts are this Friday - lots of controversy over selections last year - any thoughts going into this year?

From the list of registered players, it looks as though several of the players who went last year did not register for this year, this is what happened to the 2017 team last year and the outcome was not good for the 2017 LI team. Also, remember, there are a lot of other events that same time, Jake Reed Blue Chip, Blue Chip 225, etc. so the field may be diluted.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brine tryouts are this Friday - lots of controversy over selections last year - any thoughts going into this year?

From the list of registered players, it looks as though several of the players who went last year did not register for this year, this is what happened to the 2017 team last year and the outcome was not good for the 2017 LI team. Also, remember, there are a lot of other events that same time, Jake Reed Blue Chip, Blue Chip 225, etc. so the field may be diluted.

Which one is considered the better event? Brina? Jake Reed Blue Chip? Blue Chip 225? Do college coaches go to all of these?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brine tryouts are this Friday - lots of controversy over selections last year - any thoughts going into this year?

From the list of registered players, it looks as though several of the players who went last year did not register for this year, this is what happened to the 2017 team last year and the outcome was not good for the 2017 LI team. Also, remember, there are a lot of other events that same time, Jake Reed Blue Chip, Blue Chip 225, etc. so the field may be diluted.

Which one is considered the better event? Brina? Jake Reed Blue Chip? Blue Chip 225? Do college coaches go to all of these?

IMHO - they are all about the same, if you would have asked this question last year, Jake Reed would have been one of the top but from what we saw last year, most all the big name showcase events and some first time events last year had a good showing of D1/D3 coaches either work or watching. The choice should be make on your time and money.

Get to Maverick Showtime.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brine tryouts are this Friday - lots of controversy over selections last year - any thoughts going into this year?

From the list of registered players, it looks as though several of the players who went last year did not register for this year, this is what happened to the 2017 team last year and the outcome was not good for the 2017 LI team. Also, remember, there are a lot of other events that same time, Jake Reed Blue Chip, Blue Chip 225, etc. so the field may be diluted.

Which one is considered the better event? Brina? Jake Reed Blue Chip? Blue Chip 225? Do college coaches go to all of these?

IMHO - they are all about the same, if you would have asked this question last year, Jake Reed would have been one of the top but from what we saw last year, most all the big name showcase events and some first time events last year had a good showing of D1/D3 coaches either work or watching. The choice should be make on your time and money.

I agree, we did a bunch and the same coaches were at most of the events, plus team events like adrenaline. This year skipping all of those and only doing Maverick.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brine tryouts are this Friday - lots of controversy over selections last year - any thoughts going into this year?

From the list of registered players, it looks as though several of the players who went last year did not register for this year, this is what happened to the 2017 team last year and the outcome was not good for the 2017 LI team. Also, remember, there are a lot of other events that same time, Jake Reed Blue Chip, Blue Chip 225, etc. so the field may be diluted.

Which one is considered the better event? Brina? Jake Reed Blue Chip? Blue Chip 225? Do college coaches go to all of these?

IMHO - they are all about the same, if you would have asked this question last year, Jake Reed would have been one of the top but from what we saw last year, most all the big name showcase events and some first time events last year had a good showing of D1/D3 coaches either work or watching. The choice should be make on your time and money.

I agree, we did a bunch and the same coaches were at most of the events, plus team events like adrenaline. This year skipping all of those and only doing Maverick.

Skipping all the individual Showcases this year, only doing the ones that the club events. Not enough time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brine tryouts are this Friday - lots of controversy over selections last year - any thoughts going into this year?

From the list of registered players, it looks as though several of the players who went last year did not register for this year, this is what happened to the 2017 team last year and the outcome was not good for the 2017 LI team. Also, remember, there are a lot of other events that same time, Jake Reed Blue Chip, Blue Chip 225, etc. so the field may be diluted.

Which one is considered the better event? Brina? Jake Reed Blue Chip? Blue Chip 225? Do college coaches go to all of these?

IMHO - they are all about the same, if you would have asked this question last year, Jake Reed would have been one of the top but from what we saw last year, most all the big name showcase events and some first time events last year had a good showing of D1/D3 coaches either work or watching. The choice should be make on your time and money.

I agree, we did a bunch and the same coaches were at most of the events, plus team events like adrenaline. This year skipping all of those and only doing Maverick.

Totally agree with this approach plus maybe attend Under Armour underclass tryouts which is cheap and coaches flock to the tryouts. Don't need to do more individual showcases in my opinion, maybe a few prospect days as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brine tryouts are this Friday - lots of controversy over selections last year - any thoughts going into this year?

From the list of registered players, it looks as though several of the players who went last year did not register for this year, this is what happened to the 2017 team last year and the outcome was not good for the 2017 LI team. Also, remember, there are a lot of other events that same time, Jake Reed Blue Chip, Blue Chip 225, etc. so the field may be diluted.

Which one is considered the better event? Brina? Jake Reed Blue Chip? Blue Chip 225? Do college coaches go to all of these?

IMHO - they are all about the same, if you would have asked this question last year, Jake Reed would have been one of the top but from what we saw last year, most all the big name showcase events and some first time events last year had a good showing of D1/D3 coaches either work or watching. The choice should be make on your time and money.

I agree, we did a bunch and the same coaches were at most of the events, plus team events like adrenaline. This year skipping all of those and only doing Maverick.

Skipping all the individual Showcases this year, only doing the ones that the club events. Not enough time.

We're only doing Prospect camps. This is the best and cheapest way to get recruited.

I agree, we did a bunch and the same coaches were at most of the events, plus team events like adrenaline. This year skipping all of those and only doing Maverick. [/quote]

Skipping all the individual Showcases this year, only doing the ones that the club events. Not enough time.[/quote]

We're only doing Prospect camps. This is the best and cheapest way to get recruited. [/quote]

I tried looking up "Prospect Day" on different school websites. ND was the only school which posted the day is in December.

Can someone enlighten me???? Use an example please.

Go to DUKE, click on lacrosse, click on........

All I came up with was a recruit interest form when I looked directly on a school website.

NOT ALL SCHOOLS HAVE THEM. FIND THE SCHOOLS YOU ARE INTERESTED IN AND THEN LOOK AT THE LACROSSE ASPECT second. IF THEY HAVE A PROSPECT DAY, YOU CAN ATTEND. AND DON'T LET ANYONE TELL YOU ITS INVITE ONLY

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree, we did a bunch and the same coaches were at most of the events, plus team events like adrenaline. This year skipping all of those and only doing Maverick.

Skipping all the individual Showcases this year, only doing the ones that the club events. Not enough time.[/quote]

We're only doing Prospect camps. This is the best and cheapest way to get recruited. [/quote]

I tried looking up "Prospect Day" on different school websites. ND was the only school which posted the day is in December.

Can someone enlighten me???? Use an example please.

Go to DUKE, click on lacrosse, click on........

All I came up with was a recruit interest form when I looked directly on a school website.
[/quote]

the school websites are not the way to go, if you are looking, for example, duke prospect day, google it, this will provide the correct dukelacrossecampforboys site. this is same with most schools, the camps/prospect info is on a different website. same with 'michigan lacrosse prospect' will lead you to umichlaxcamps site. GOOGLE is your friend.

D 2 and 3 schools have a surprising number of prospect camps. you can find one most weekends all over new England, penn. weather has postponed some but in you are looking at theses schools its a way to get a tour and play some lacrosse. no invite needed but they fill up early.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I tried looking up "Prospect Day" on different school websites. ND was the only school which posted the day is in December.

Can someone enlighten me???? Use an example please.

send e-mail to all the coaches they may not e-mail you back EXCEPT to send info on the prospect days, also if you fill out the recruit questionnaire on the site that will also get you e-mails about prospect camps.

Why isn't 91 Extreme going to the U15 National Championship this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why isn't 91 Extreme going to the U15 National Championship this year?

has 91 ever gone to U15 National Championships, they did not go last year either.

Anyone have any experience with prep school lacrosse showcase
Is it worth the money

91 plays all the best teams in there grade no need to play down to a make believe national championship tournament

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 plays all the best teams in there grade no need to play down to a make believe national championship tournament

"Play down?" The U15 Championship? Okay 91 dad - thanks for clearing that up for us.

91 is not going because it isn't run by 91

Sweetlax now with 10 D1 commits all to major schools. More coming...

very nice but of those 10 d1 commits,how many got actual money and how many of them is daddy writing a check

The Brine tryouts for 2018 just ended a few hours back. What were peoples thoughts? How were the tryouts? What was talent pool like?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 plays all the best teams in there grade no need to play down to a make believe national championship tournament

Might have a few superstars that wouldn't pass the birth certificate test.... Same reason why Dukes will send 2019 team if they are going this year. For Dukes, most kids on their 2018 team are aged out for this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

very nice but of those 10 d1 commits,how many got actual money and how many of them is daddy writing a check

Considering they all had extensive options and were main targets, I'd say odds are pretty good they did well financially. None of them had to scratch and claw for a spot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Brine tryouts for 2018 just ended a few hours back. What were peoples thoughts? How were the tryouts? What was talent pool like?

I was shocked at how many of the players were over 6 foot tall and looked like 25 year old men. Lots of facial hair too

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Brine tryouts for 2018 just ended a few hours back. What were peoples thoughts? How were the tryouts? What was talent pool like?

I was shocked at how many of the players were over 6 foot tall and looked like 25 year old men. Lots of facial hair too

What about positional talent?????? Great that they are big, strong, and hairy, what about staying power on D, quickness at attack and ability to stuff in goal?????

I think the person was being
crass. I thought talent pool looked good. There was a good mix of teams represented. Hope that there wont be politics involved like last year. Certain coaches were not present so I think it will eliminate some of the B.S.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the person was being
crass. I thought talent pool looked good. There was a good mix of teams represented. Hope that there wont be politics involved like last year. Certain coaches were not present so I think it will eliminate some of the B.S.

Who was doing the evaluating? Who had the clipboards? Last year not too many notes being taken by those with the clipboards.

I thought the evaluators actually looked like they were evaluating, unlike last year. Don't think any of the coaches had affiliation with any of the major club teams. No SL, MC, or anyone else that I recognized. I recall 6 to 7 evaluators. There were not as many kids this year probably 75. Lots of drills and opportunities to see all kids. Then each team played 2 games about 15 to 20 min each. when will they announce who made team?

Dis you get invited?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dis you get invited?

Who are you asking? I personally don't think invites went out yet. If they have my son has not received one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have any experience with prep school lacrosse showcase
Is it worth the money

It is first rate. IMO right up there with Maverik and JR, but only one day. What is good about it is that it is the first major event of the summer and a great way to make a big first impression.

Did you get an invite

Some evaluators from express

Does anyone now when they said invites would go out for Brine?

same time as the pink slips go out for hopkins

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the evaluators actually looked like they were evaluating, unlike last year. Don't think any of the coaches had affiliation with any of the major club teams. No SL, MC, or anyone else that I recognized. I recall 6 to 7 evaluators. There were not as many kids this year probably 75. Lots of drills and opportunities to see all kids. Then each team played 2 games about 15 to 20 min each. when will they announce who made team?

They don't evaluate because no one cares anymore. It's same week as JR. Top players who played in past from all over country don't do it. Waste of time and money.

My son did Both Jake Reed and Brine events last year. Brine was the better of the 2. At JR you showed up and 3 games nothing more coaching wad none existent. At Brine it was at least all boys from LI. Play was better and so was coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son did Both Jake Reed and Brine events last year. Brine was the better of the 2. At JR you showed up and 3 games nothing more coaching wad none existent. At Brine it was at least all boys from LI. Play was better and so was coaching.

How many college coaches were at brine ?

How many at JR?

IMHO you can not compare these events, JR is an individual showcase where the scores do not matter and kids are playing to be seen by college coaches - Brine is an "all star" selected team that is competing to win a championship for their region. Brine is a lot of fun and the kids get to play with other LI kids that they do not normally get to play with. Not a lot of college coaches except the ones coaching. I do not believe that given a choice anyone would go to Brine over JR but if you are not going to JR or Top 205 that week and you want to do a fun event it is very good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the evaluators actually looked like they were evaluating, unlike last year. Don't think any of the coaches had affiliation with any of the major club teams. No SL, MC, or anyone else that I recognized. I recall 6 to 7 evaluators. There were not as many kids this year probably 75. Lots of drills and opportunities to see all kids. Then each team played 2 games about 15 to 20 min each. when will they announce who made team?

They don't evaluate because no one cares anymore. It's same week as JR. Top players who played in past from all over country don't do it. Waste of time and money.

JR is great either anymore. Maverik, Black Card in summer and Philly Showcase in Fall only individual showcases I think are worth it anymore. Brine is just fun, boys love it, not a recruiting event.

Yes My son got invite to Prep school showcase.
Should He go?
Do not know anything about
any other parents get invite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes My son got invite to Prep school showcase.
Should He go?
Do not know anything about
any other parents get invite

I hear it's a pretty good venue, well attended. My son received invite and is attending. He also received an invite to play on their prep school team off of his highlight video submission. Seems like organizers have formed a showcase team for the summer. He declined due to current summer team commitment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son did Both Jake Reed and Brine events last year. Brine was the better of the 2. At JR you showed up and 3 games nothing more coaching wad none existent. At Brine it was at least all boys from LI. Play was better and so was coaching.

How many college coaches were at brine ?

How many at JR?

Brine was loaded with college coaches since it has all age groups, JR had a handful since JR spans several weeks, each age group is independent of the others.

I too feel the Brine was a better run event with a better showing of coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes My son got invite to Prep school showcase.
Should He go?
Do not know anything about
any other parents get invite

Yes, unless your are on Extreme or Terps, it conflicts with the "Run with the Best Lax Showcase."

Run With The Best is 5/30, Prep School Showcase is 5/31

heard Brine team e-mails went out, anybody hear anything?

Prep Showcase is one of the TOP 3 events in the country. Hands down. Been there twice. They also run the best camps - was at Boca and Lawrenceville - can't say enough good things about the. Maverick and Philly Showcase are up there too.

Ok you guys convinced me. Signed my son up for prep school showcase

Yes then went out My son got invite
Still deciding

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son did Both Jake Reed and Brine events last year. Brine was the better of the 2. At JR you showed up and 3 games nothing more coaching wad none existent. At Brine it was at least all boys from LI. Play was better and so was coaching.

How many college coaches were at brine ?

How many at JR?

Brine was loaded with college coaches since it has all age groups, JR had a handful since JR spans several weeks, each age group is independent of the others.

I too feel the Brine was a better run event with a better showing of coaches.

You must be talking about JR qualifier. JR in the summer is crawling with coaches. Not even a contest. If you have an opportunity to do JR, you do it. If not, Brine is a lot of fun. In no way is it a recruiting event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son did Both Jake Reed and Brine events last year. Brine was the better of the 2. At JR you showed up and 3 games nothing more coaching wad none existent. At Brine it was at least all boys from LI. Play was better and so was coaching.

How many college coaches were at brine ?

How many at JR?

Brine was loaded with college coaches since it has all age groups, JR had a handful since JR spans several weeks, each age group is independent of the others.

I too feel the Brine was a better run event with a better showing of coaches.

You must be talking about JR qualifier. JR in the summer is crawling with coaches. Not even a contest. If you have an opportunity to do JR, you do it. If not, Brine is a lot of fun. In no way is it a recruiting event.

Agree about JR V brine. However, this year, just doing Maverick...

Buddy's son was "one to watch" based on his performance at 3d as per Inside Lacrosse. You guessed it: he didn't make Jake Reed. Tough for kid who sees himself complimented online then doesn't get it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Buddy's son was "one to watch" based on his performance at 3d as per Inside Lacrosse. You guessed it: he didn't make Jake Reed. Tough for kid who sees himself complimented online then doesn't get it.

This is the problem with all the coverage of 8th 9th grade lacrosse. A lot of it sets the kids up for disappointment. Writer saw kids talent on the field. He performed well at the tryout. Isn't that why you have the tryouts. Its why many of these tryouts for these events are truly based on reputation and what color your helmet is. They aren't really based on the performance at the actual tryout. Having the right advocate in the selection room also helps a lot. Have your friends son use it as fuel. Work harder and give them [lacrosse] on the field. He knows and so do the other kids who played well. The kids aren't stupid. They all know each other. This is the BS of a lot of these events like JR and Brine

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Buddy's son was "one to watch" based on his performance at 3d as per Inside Lacrosse. You guessed it: he didn't make Jake Reed. Tough for kid who sees himself complimented online then doesn't get it.

This is the problem with all the coverage of 8th 9th grade lacrosse. A lot of it sets the kids up for disappointment. Writer saw kids talent on the field. He performed well at the tryout. Isn't that why you have the tryouts. Its why many of these tryouts for these events are truly based on reputation and what color your helmet is. They aren't really based on the performance at the actual tryout. Having the right advocate in the selection room also helps a lot. Have your friends son use it as fuel. Work harder and give them [lacrosse] on the field. He knows and so do the other kids who played well. The kids aren't stupid. They all know each other. This is the BS of a lot of these events like JR and Brine

Doesn't help that the writers aren't exactly the greatest minds in lacrosse either.

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Buddy's son was "one to watch" based on his performance at 3d as per Inside Lacrosse. You guessed it: he didn't make Jake Reed. Tough for kid who sees himself complimented online then doesn't get it.

This is the problem with all the coverage of 8th 9th grade lacrosse. A lot of it sets the kids up for disappointment. Writer saw kids talent on the field. He performed well at the tryout. Isn't that why you have the tryouts. Its why many of these tryouts for these events are truly based on reputation and what color your helmet is. They aren't really based on the performance at the actual tryout. Having the right advocate in the selection room also helps a lot. Have your friends son use it as fuel. Work harder and give them [lacrosse] on the field. He knows and so do the other kids who played well. The kids aren't stupid. They all know each other. This is the BS of a lot of these events like JR and Brine

Or - maybe the writer saw a nice play when he looked up from his phone in between food tweets and said something nice about the kid as opposed to the professional evaluators who are supposed to watch all the games and all the players - hopefully the evaluators are professional and not TYed to certain organizations and coaches - these tryouts are impossible to get 100% correct but to say that an Oriole's fan who is socializing more then watching got it right and the evaluators got it wrong is silly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Buddy's son was "one to watch" based on his performance at 3d as per Inside Lacrosse. You guessed it: he didn't make Jake Reed. Tough for kid who sees himself complimented online then doesn't get it.

This is the problem with all the coverage of 8th 9th grade lacrosse. A lot of it sets the kids up for disappointment. Writer saw kids talent on the field. He performed well at the tryout. Isn't that why you have the tryouts. Its why many of these tryouts for these events are truly based on reputation and what color your helmet is. They aren't really based on the performance at the actual tryout. Having the right advocate in the selection room also helps a lot. Have your friends son use it as fuel. Work harder and give them [lacrosse] on the field. He knows and so do the other kids who played well. The kids aren't stupid. They all know each other. This is the BS of a lot of these events like JR and Brine

Or - maybe the writer saw a nice play when he looked up from his phone in between food tweets and said something nice about the kid as opposed to the professional evaluators who are supposed to watch all the games and all the players - hopefully the evaluators are professional and not TYed to certain organizations and coaches - these tryouts are impossible to get 100% correct but to say that an Oriole's fan who is socializing more then watching got it right and the evaluators got it wrong is silly.

Ty is no longer a writer for Inside Lacrosse so the Orioles fan comment is understood. I understand what your saying in regards to evaluators doing their jobs and writers only seeing a snapshot of the tryout. Its just that many of these so called unbiased tryouts are predetermined and the tryouts are just a formality. A lot has to do with who's doing the evaluations and who is advocating for their player when team selections are being made.

In my opinion when a player is trying out no member from his or her organization should be doing the evaluation. Individuals with no prior knowledge of players come in with a blank slate and a clean sheet of paper. If 107 out performs 109 at the tryout then that's who should be chosen. Not because 109's travel coach says he makes that play all the time. Its hard to miss with Long Island because of the large number of high caliber players we have when selecting a team. Its just that I have heard way too many times of certain players having bad tryouts but they are selected to the team. An example is last years Brine 2018 event. There were a number of players sent home and not selected to the Pride of Long Islands Final two teams but then they made the Brine event over kids who were actually playing on the final two teams of Pride of Long Island. I hope this is clear.

You wanna see who the real talent is. Watch the rising sophmores game between Nassau and Suffolk at the end of the school year.There you will see the real talent of 2018.No politics,just pure talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You wanna see who the real talent is. Watch the rising sophmores game between Nassau and Suffolk at the end of the school year.There you will see the real talent of 2018.No politics,just pure talent.

Ha you think no politics is involved in those selection? Yes the top is the top but there is politics and lots of it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You wanna see who the real talent is. Watch the rising sophmores game between Nassau and Suffolk at the end of the school year.There you will see the real talent of 2018.No politics,just pure talent.

When does this game take place?? I have younger sons and would like to bring them to see this.

Is this published somewhere or should I look at my local HS lax schedule to see when it is taking place?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You wanna see who the real talent is. Watch the rising sophmores game between Nassau and Suffolk at the end of the school year.There you will see the real talent of 2018.No politics,just pure talent.

Heck, why not just go watch 91Extreme vs LI Express Team 1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You wanna see who the real talent is. Watch the rising sophmores game between Nassau and Suffolk at the end of the school year.There you will see the real talent of 2018.No politics,just pure talent.

a bunch of high school coaches get together and pick a team in a closed door meeting and you think there is no politics? I bet that if the kids all wore the same number on their chest that the rosters would be 95% the same. I do believe that the top players are in the game but it is because of their season, reputation and HS coaches clout and not how they did on the field at the tryout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You wanna see who the real talent is. Watch the rising sophmores game between Nassau and Suffolk at the end of the school year.There you will see the real talent of 2018.No politics,just pure talent.

Heck, why not just go watch 91Extreme vs LI Express Team 1.

Please! Take it down a notch. So many other kids out there just as good as the best on those teams....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Buddy's son was "one to watch" based on his performance at 3d as per Inside Lacrosse. You guessed it: he didn't make Jake Reed. Tough for kid who sees himself complimented online then doesn't get it.

This is the problem with all the coverage of 8th 9th grade lacrosse. A lot of it sets the kids up for disappointment. Writer saw kids talent on the field. He performed well at the tryout. Isn't that why you have the tryouts. Its why many of these tryouts for these events are truly based on reputation and what color your helmet is. They aren't really based on the performance at the actual tryout. Having the right advocate in the selection room also helps a lot. Have your friends son use it as fuel. Work harder and give them [lacrosse] on the field. He knows and so do the other kids who played well. The kids aren't stupid. They all know each other. This is the BS of a lot of these events like JR and Brine

Or - maybe the writer saw a nice play when he looked up from his phone in between food tweets and said something nice about the kid as opposed to the professional evaluators who are supposed to watch all the games and all the players - hopefully the evaluators are professional and not TYed to certain organizations and coaches - these tryouts are impossible to get 100% correct but to say that an Oriole's fan who is socializing more then watching got it right and the evaluators got it wrong is silly.

I was actually making a different point, namely that the early recruiting hype coupled with social media sets up some kids for some big let downs. Not interested in arguing whether IL or the evaluators got it right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Buddy's son was "one to watch" based on his performance at 3d as per Inside Lacrosse. You guessed it: he didn't make Jake Reed. Tough for kid who sees himself complimented online then doesn't get it.

This is the problem with all the coverage of 8th 9th grade lacrosse. A lot of it sets the kids up for disappointment. Writer saw kids talent on the field. He performed well at the tryout. Isn't that why you have the tryouts. Its why many of these tryouts for these events are truly based on reputation and what color your helmet is. They aren't really based on the performance at the actual tryout. Having the right advocate in the selection room also helps a lot. Have your friends son use it as fuel. Work harder and give them [lacrosse] on the field. He knows and so do the other kids who played well. The kids aren't stupid. They all know each other. This is the BS of a lot of these events like JR and Brine

Or - maybe the writer saw a nice play when he looked up from his phone in between food tweets and said something nice about the kid as opposed to the professional evaluators who are supposed to watch all the games and all the players - hopefully the evaluators are professional and not TYed to certain organizations and coaches - these tryouts are impossible to get 100% correct but to say that an Oriole's fan who is socializing more then watching got it right and the evaluators got it wrong is silly.

I was actually making a different point, namely that the early recruiting hype coupled with social media sets up some kids for some big let downs. Not interested in arguing whether IL or the evaluators got it right.

Its like I said its one of the problems with covering 8th and 9th graders. The coverage sets them up for disappointment. Which at this age is tough to digest. I also try to point out there are other factors involved in the selection process.

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

[quote=Anonymous]Buddy's son was "one to watch" based on his performance at 3d as per Inside Lacrosse. You guessed it: he didn't make Jake Reed. Tough for kid who sees himself complimented online then doesn't get it.

This is the problem with all the coverage of 8th 9th grade lacrosse. A lot of it sets the kids up for disappointment. Writer saw kids talent on the field. He performed well at the tryout. Isn't that why you have the tryouts. Its why many of these tryouts for these events are truly based on reputation and what color your helmet is. They aren't really based on the performance at the actual tryout. Having the right advocate in the selection room also helps a lot. Have your friends son use it as fuel. Work harder and give them [lacrosse] on the field. He knows and so do the other kids who played well. The kids aren't stupid. They all know each other. This is the BS of a lot of these events like JR and Brine

Or - maybe the writer saw a nice play when he looked up from his phone in between food tweets and said something nice about the kid as opposed to the professional evaluators who are supposed to watch all the games and all the players - hopefully the evaluators are professional and not TYed to certain organizations and coaches - these tryouts are impossible to get 100% correct but to say that an Oriole's fan who is socializing more then watching got it right and the evaluators got it wrong is silly.

I was actually making a different point, namely that the early recruiting hype coupled with social media sets up some kids for some big let downs. Not interested in arguing whether IL or the evaluators got it right.

Its like I said its one of the problems with covering 8th and 9th graders. The coverage sets them up for disappointment. Which at this age is tough to digest. I also try to point out there are other factors involved in the selection process.

Evaluators aren't perfect. But at least they played the game and coach the game and do the best they can to select the appropriate kids. Ty Xanders is a clown. Ask any club coach and they'll tell you he is a clown. No one that matters pays any attention to him, especially college coaches.. He should pay more attention to his diet!!!! Maybe the sugar daddies that support him can increase his allowance so that he can afford better meals. Certainly not a role model for student athletes!!!!

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

[quote=Anonymous]Buddy's son was "one to watch" based on his performance at 3d as per Inside Lacrosse. You guessed it: he didn't make Jake Reed. Tough for kid who sees himself complimented online then doesn't get it.

This is the problem with all the coverage of 8th 9th grade lacrosse. A lot of it sets the kids up for disappointment. Writer saw kids talent on the field. He performed well at the tryout. Isn't that why you have the tryouts. Its why many of these tryouts for these events are truly based on reputation and what color your helmet is. They aren't really based on the performance at the actual tryout. Having the right advocate in the selection room also helps a lot. Have your friends son use it as fuel. Work harder and give them [lacrosse] on the field. He knows and so do the other kids who played well. The kids aren't stupid. They all know each other. This is the BS of a lot of these events like JR and Brine

Or - maybe the writer saw a nice play when he looked up from his phone in between food tweets and said something nice about the kid as opposed to the professional evaluators who are supposed to watch all the games and all the players - hopefully the evaluators are professional and not TYed to certain organizations and coaches - these tryouts are impossible to get 100% correct but to say that an Oriole's fan who is socializing more then watching got it right and the evaluators got it wrong is silly.

I was actually making a different point, namely that the early recruiting hype coupled with social media sets up some kids for some big let downs. Not interested in arguing whether IL or the evaluators got it right.

Its like I said its one of the problems with covering 8th and 9th graders. The coverage sets them up for disappointment. Which at this age is tough to digest. I also try to point out there are other factors involved in the selection process.

Evaluators aren't perfect. But at least they played the game and coach the game and do the best they can to select the appropriate kids. Ty Xanders is a clown. Ask any club coach and they'll tell you he is a clown. No one that matters pays any attention to him, especially college coaches.. He should pay more attention to his diet!!!! Maybe the sugar daddies that support him can increase his allowance so that he can afford better meals. Certainly not a role model for student athletes!!!!

I dont get it since Xanders or IL weren't at 3d lacro$$e Blue Chip this year.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

[quote=Anonymous]Buddy's son was "one to watch" based on his performance at 3d as per Inside Lacrosse. You guessed it: he didn't make Jake Reed. Tough for kid who sees himself complimented online then doesn't get it.

This is the problem with all the coverage of 8th 9th grade lacrosse. A lot of it sets the kids up for disappointment. Writer saw kids talent on the field. He performed well at the tryout. Isn't that why you have the tryouts. Its why many of these tryouts for these events are truly based on reputation and what color your helmet is. They aren't really based on the performance at the actual tryout. Having the right advocate in the selection room also helps a lot. Have your friends son use it as fuel. Work harder and give them [lacrosse] on the field. He knows and so do the other kids who played well. The kids aren't stupid. They all know each other. This is the BS of a lot of these events like JR and Brine

Or - maybe the writer saw a nice play when he looked up from his phone in between food tweets and said something nice about the kid as opposed to the professional evaluators who are supposed to watch all the games and all the players - hopefully the evaluators are professional and not TYed to certain organizations and coaches - these tryouts are impossible to get 100% correct but to say that an Oriole's fan who is socializing more then watching got it right and the evaluators got it wrong is silly.

I was actually making a different point, namely that the early recruiting hype coupled with social media sets up some kids for some big let downs. Not interested in arguing whether IL or the evaluators got it right.

Its like I said its one of the problems with covering 8th and 9th graders. The coverage sets them up for disappointment. Which at this age is tough to digest. I also try to point out there are other factors involved in the selection process.

Evaluators aren't perfect. But at least they played the game and coach the game and do the best they can to select the appropriate kids. Ty Xanders is a clown. Ask any club coach and they'll tell you he is a clown. No one that matters pays any attention to him, especially college coaches.. He should pay more attention to his diet!!!! Maybe the sugar daddies that support him can increase his allowance so that he can afford better meals. Certainly not a role model for student athletes!!!!

Why all the negativity towards a person doing his job, and yes, TZ was not at 3d Blue Chip Casey Vock was doing the write ups.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I dont get it since Xanders or IL weren't at 3d lacro$$e Blue Chip this year.....

Those write ups were all done by Casy Vock, who is the new mouth piece for 3d. He used to be at IL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You wanna see who the real talent is. Watch the rising sophmores game between Nassau and Suffolk at the end of the school year.There you will see the real talent of 2018.No politics,just pure talent.

Heck, why not just go watch 91Extreme vs LI Express Team 1.

Please! Take it down a notch. So many other kids out there just as good as the best on those teams....

SO many kids in suffolk and nassau as good as those kids? Really? How many is so many...

J

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You wanna see who the real talent is. Watch the rising sophmores game between Nassau and Suffolk at the end of the school year.There you will see the real talent of 2018.No politics,just pure talent.

Heck, why not just go watch 91Extreme vs LI Express Team 1.

Please! Take it down a notch. So many other kids out there just as good as the best on those teams....

SO many kids in suffolk and nassau as good as those kids? Really? How many is so many...

5 or 6 kids on most other A teams just as good as ,and better than back end of either of those rosters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You wanna see who the real talent is. Watch the rising sophmores game between Nassau and Suffolk at the end of the school year.There you will see the real talent of 2018.No politics,just pure talent.

Did you just say no politics? That is the funniest thing I ever heard.

Last year a player I know didn't try out for the suffolk team because he is committed to a D1 school and wanted to let another player get the exposure. He was called at his house and told that he is on the team and is starting at attack so make sure he attends the game.

Another player I know last year didn't make it to the second round in Nassau but then somehow was on the team and started in goal after a few phone calls were made.

Just 2 examples that I know personally to be 100% fact! These examples were from 2 different graduating years and counties showing that the politics run through the entire event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

J

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You wanna see who the real talent is. Watch the rising sophmores game between Nassau and Suffolk at the end of the school year.There you will see the real talent of 2018.No politics,just pure talent.

Heck, why not just go watch 91Extreme vs LI Express Team 1.

Please! Take it down a notch. So many other kids out there just as good as the best on those teams....

SO many kids in suffolk and nassau as good as those kids? Really? How many is so many...

5 or 6 kids on most other A teams just as good as ,and better than back end of either of those rosters.

What A teams are you talking about here on LI? If you said crabs and dukes...I would agree. So before I comment, share all those A teams with 5 or 6 kids better than the "back end" extreme and terps. Just silly...Maybe you are thinking 1 or 2...

Did your son get cut?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You wanna see who the real talent is. Watch the rising sophmores game between Nassau and Suffolk at the end of the school year.There you will see the real talent of 2018.No politics,just pure talent.

When does this game take place?? I have younger sons and would like to bring them to see this.

Is this published somewhere or should I look at my local HS lax schedule to see when it is taking place?

it is a great game to watch very impressed at the day. rising soph rising Jr game is well attending by many impressive college coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

J

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You wanna see who the real talent is. Watch the rising sophmores game between Nassau and Suffolk at the end of the school year.There you will see the real talent of 2018.No politics,just pure talent.

Heck, why not just go watch 91Extreme vs LI Express Team 1.

Please! Take it down a notch. So many other kids out there just as good as the best on those teams....

SO many kids in suffolk and nassau as good as those kids? Really? How many is so many...

5 or 6 kids on most other A teams just as good as ,and better than back end of either of those rosters.

What A teams are you talking about here on LI? If you said crabs and dukes...I would agree. So before I comment, share all those A teams with 5 or 6 kids better than the "back end" extreme and terps. Just silly...Maybe you are thinking 1 or 2...

Did your son get cut?

Rising sophomore game against a Terps v. Extreme game IMHO you would have a lot more D1 - early commit type talent in the Terps v. Extreme game - mostly because the rising game will not have the private school kids in it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

J

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You wanna see who the real talent is. Watch the rising sophmores game between Nassau and Suffolk at the end of the school year.There you will see the real talent of 2018.No politics,just pure talent.

Heck, why not just go watch 91Extreme vs LI Express Team 1.

Please! Take it down a notch. So many other kids out there just as good as the best on those teams....

SO many kids in suffolk and nassau as good as those kids? Really? How many is so many...

5 or 6 kids on most other A teams just as good as ,and better than back end of either of those rosters.

This 'who is the best team' and 'who are the best 2018 players' thread has been going in circles for years. It's funny/sad to see the same old arguments drummed up every time someone compliments either team or the talent level of the players. Xtreme has lost something like three games in three years, has literally beaten every good 2018 team in the country, and people still want to debate whether or not they have many of the best players. Has Express lost a game to any LI team other than Xtreme in the last couple of years?

The point of this is that whether you like it or not, whether tryouts are fair or not, whether there are politics involved or not, whether winning matters or not, those two teams have set the standard for years on LI for the 2018s. Those teams pick up four or five of those other really talented players on the Island every year to get better and to compete off-Island. Watching them play - which should happen more often - is a great way to see many of the best 2018 players in our area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

J

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You wanna see who the real talent is. Watch the rising sophmores game between Nassau and Suffolk at the end of the school year.There you will see the real talent of 2018.No politics,just pure talent.

Heck, why not just go watch 91Extreme vs LI Express Team 1.

Please! Take it down a notch. So many other kids out there just as good as the best on those teams....

SO many kids in suffolk and nassau as good as those kids? Really? How many is so many...

5 or 6 kids on most other A teams just as good as ,and better than back end of either of those rosters.

What A teams are you talking about here on LI? If you said crabs and dukes...I would agree. So before I comment, share all those A teams with 5 or 6 kids better than the "back end" extreme and terps. Just silly...Maybe you are thinking 1 or 2...

Did your son get cut?

I agree that both Extreme and Terps are great teams. To think that they are comprised of only the best players on Long Island is a bit much. A lot has changed in the overall player talent pool on LI since these teams have been formed. Both teams have made changes by addition and by subtraction. There even has been movement between the two. Overall both these teams have core players that have been on the team since their inception and very few of these players have been displaced regardless of their overall development or lack there of. Lets face it both teams have favor players. What about those players that barely sniff the field in a tight game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

J

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You wanna see who the real talent is. Watch the rising sophmores game between Nassau and Suffolk at the end of the school year.There you will see the real talent of 2018.No politics,just pure talent.

Heck, why not just go watch 91Extreme vs LI Express Team 1.

Please! Take it down a notch. So many other kids out there just as good as the best on those teams....

SO many kids in suffolk and nassau as good as those kids? Really? How many is so many...

5 or 6 kids on most other A teams just as good as ,and better than back end of either of those rosters.

What A teams are you talking about here on LI? If you said crabs and dukes...I would agree. So before I comment, share all those A teams with 5 or 6 kids better than the "back end" extreme and terps. Just silly...Maybe you are thinking 1 or 2...

Did your son get cut?

Now you're trying to say the back end end of Terps or Extreme teams are on par with the top kids on Dukes and Crabs??? Come on, now you have lost any and all credibility. Let's just end this now. Good luck to your son, relax. His day will come.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

J

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You wanna see who the real talent is. Watch the rising sophmores game between Nassau and Suffolk at the end of the school year.There you will see the real talent of 2018.No politics,just pure talent.

Heck, why not just go watch 91Extreme vs LI Express Team 1.

Please! Take it down a notch. So many other kids out there just as good as the best on those teams....

SO many kids in suffolk and nassau as good as those kids? Really? How many is so many...

5 or 6 kids on most other A teams just as good as ,and better than back end of either of those rosters.

This 'who is the best team' and 'who are the best 2018 players' thread has been going in circles for years. It's funny/sad to see the same old arguments drummed up every time someone compliments either team or the talent level of the players. Xtreme has lost something like three games in three years, has literally beaten every good 2018 team in the country, and people still want to debate whether or not they have many of the best players. Has Express lost a game to any LI team other than Xtreme in the last couple of years?

The point of this is that whether you like it or not, whether tryouts are fair or not, whether there are politics involved or not, whether winning matters or not, those two teams have set the standard for years on LI for the 2018s. Those teams pick up four or five of those other really talented players on the Island every year to get better and to compete off-Island. Watching them play - which should happen more often - is a great way to see many of the best 2018 players in our area.

Very valid points but when certain parents come on here and run their mouths about how every player on both these teams are the best Long Island players it gets old. I think the are definitely the best teams but not solely compromised of the best players from top to bottom of the roster. All the kids know who the best are its the parents who have a hard time accepting it.

I have a great idea. A new event.

It will be called Top 1,000. The cost to attend - $1,000

My tag line: Top 1000...Feel Like a Million Bucks

This will rival that high priced and glorified tryout held annually in Florida.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

J

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You wanna see who the real talent is. Watch the rising sophmores game between Nassau and Suffolk at the end of the school year.There you will see the real talent of 2018.No politics,just pure talent.

Heck, why not just go watch 91Extreme vs LI Express Team 1.

Please! Take it down a notch. So many other kids out there just as good as the best on those teams....

SO many kids in suffolk and nassau as good as those kids? Really? How many is so many...

5 or 6 kids on most other A teams just as good as ,and better than back end of either of those rosters.

What A teams are you talking about here on LI? If you said crabs and dukes...I would agree. So before I comment, share all those A teams with 5 or 6 kids better than the "back end" extreme and terps. Just silly...Maybe you are thinking 1 or 2...

Did your son get cut?

If you think the top 3 kids on Outlaws, fl$, Jesters and Tribe etc are not as good as the 22 through 25 kids on Terps and Extreme, you are crazy. They change those spots yearly and take off these other teams.

Not as good as 22-25- what- try not as good as maybe top 5. Some might be better-

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not as good as 22-25- what- try not as good as maybe top 5. Some might be better-

not a chance. if those teams had 5 top players, they would be a top team. Last time i heard about any of those teams, they were fighting an insecurity complex on this site.

It is not the end of the world if your kid doesnt play d-1...move on

You my friend have drank way to much of that Kool Aide. Again great teams but there are players on those teams that are not the best on LI. I give it to you they each have 10 to 15 studs that are incredible. Then there is the drop off you know the ones that are favors or legacy kids. The players that were good 3 to 4 years ago but either haven't improved, grown, or grown too much in the wrong direction. Also cant forget the helmet buyers, the dinner buyers, the lawn mowers, the money managers and the back room deal makers. These are the kids that will never see time in a tight game vs a great team. Only come in during blowouts.

Do all the parents think because their kid is on one of these teams that they are going D1. Lol. There are a handful that already have signed yes. Many of the secondary players get exposed when they are at individual showcases. They cant be hidden on lines with the better players. The systems at individual showcases don't work for them because they get exposed. Teams great, but every player the best on LI, no.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not as good as 22-25- what- try not as good as maybe top 5. Some might be better-

not a chance. if those teams had 5 top players, they would be a top team. Last time i heard about any of those teams, they were fighting an insecurity complex on this site.

It is not the end of the world if your kid doesnt play d-1...move on

Sound advise, now go repeat it over and over in your own head. If history is any indictor, approximately 125-150 boys in this grade will go D1 from LI. Which means more of those D1 recruit kids will come from teams other than Terps or 91... and from what I see, not every kid currently on Terps or 91 is destine to go D1. Do your homework before you come on here and run your mouth. Good luck to your son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not as good as 22-25- what- try not as good as maybe top 5. Some might be better-

not a chance. if those teams had 5 top players, they would be a top team. Last time i heard about any of those teams, they were fighting an insecurity complex on this site.

It is not the end of the world if your kid doesnt play d-1...move on

Sound advise, now go repeat it over and over in your own head. If history is any indictor, approximately 125-150 boys in this grade will go D1 from LI. Which means more of those D1 recruit kids will come from teams other than Terps or 91... and from what I see, not every kid currently on Terps or 91 is destine to go D1. Do your homework before you come on here and run your mouth. Good luck to your son.

Sound like you are insecure, but i will stay away from the running your mouth comment. Nonetheless, I wish nothing but the best for all the boys. I hope they all get to do/play, whatever, wherever, they want.

Those two teams (still a team sport as i understand it) are the best on LI. Ca we all agree with that? I would also say that extreme, just a little bit better...

In terms of individuals, sure there are kids that haven't even picked up a stick yet that will be studs.

Also, there are kids on li teams other than terps and extreme that are very strong players. Not sure many of them would crack starting line up, but can certainly play at high level.

In terms of overall talent, as a poster already mentioned, watching these two teams play give about the highest level of talent on li given the public/private mix.

to say otherwise is just foolish..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not as good as 22-25- what- try not as good as maybe top 5. Some might be better-

not a chance. if those teams had 5 top players, they would be a top team. Last time i heard about any of those teams, they were fighting an insecurity complex on this site.

It is not the end of the world if your kid doesnt play d-1...move on

I think you need to take your own advice. Its not the end of the world if your son doesn't play D1.

If that is true the top 25 on extreme should already verbal to a collage.
there are about min 60 kids with verbal from 2018 not all are playing 91 extreme. oh by the way they have lost more than 2-3 games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not as good as 22-25- what- try not as good as maybe top 5. Some might be better-

not a chance. if those teams had 5 top players, they would be a top team. Last time i heard about any of those teams, they were fighting an insecurity complex on this site.

It is not the end of the world if your kid doesnt play d-1...move on

Sound advise, now go repeat it over and over in your own head. If history is any indictor, approximately 125-150 boys in this grade will go D1 from LI. Which means more of those D1 recruit kids will come from teams other than Terps or 91... and from what I see, not every kid currently on Terps or 91 is destine to go D1. Do your homework before you come on here and run your mouth. Good luck to your son.

Sound like you are insecure, but i will stay away from the running your mouth comment. Nonetheless, I wish nothing but the best for all the boys. I hope they all get to do/play, whatever, wherever, they want.

I'm not sure how the presentation of the facts translates into insecurity? Perhaps you are uncomfortable hearing them. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not as good as 22-25- what- try not as good as maybe top 5. Some might be better-

not a chance. if those teams had 5 top players, they would be a top team. Last time i heard about any of those teams, they were fighting an insecurity complex on this site.

It is not the end of the world if your kid doesnt play d-1...move on

Sound advise, now go repeat it over and over in your own head. If history is any indictor, approximately 125-150 boys in this grade will go D1 from LI. Which means more of those D1 recruit kids will come from teams other than Terps or 91... and from what I see, not every kid currently on Terps or 91 is destine to go D1. Do your homework before you come on here and run your mouth. Good luck to your son.

Sound like you are insecure, but i will stay away from the running your mouth comment. Nonetheless, I wish nothing but the best for all the boys. I hope they all get to do/play, whatever, wherever, they want.

I'm not sure how the presentation of the facts translates into insecurity? Perhaps you are uncomfortable hearing them. Good luck.

Mine already committed, good luck to yours. as far as the others, most are talking seriously to coaches... best of luck to you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not as good as 22-25- what- try not as good as maybe top 5. Some might be better-

not a chance. if those teams had 5 top players, they would be a top team. Last time i heard about any of those teams, they were fighting an insecurity complex on this site.

It is not the end of the world if your kid doesnt play d-1...move on

Sound advise, now go repeat it over and over in your own head. If history is any indictor, approximately 125-150 boys in this grade will go D1 from LI. Which means more of those D1 recruit kids will come from teams other than Terps or 91... and from what I see, not every kid currently on Terps or 91 is destine to go D1. Do your homework before you come on here and run your mouth. Good luck to your son.

Sound like you are insecure, but i will stay away from the running your mouth comment. Nonetheless, I wish nothing but the best for all the boys. I hope they all get to do/play, whatever, wherever, they want.

I'm not sure how the presentation of the facts translates into insecurity? Perhaps you are uncomfortable hearing them. Good luck.

Mine already committed, good luck to yours. as far as the others, most are talking seriously to coaches... best of luck to you.

Your kids supposedly committed, and you're on here bad mouthing kids on other teams? Wow, you should be committed! I'm out, can't take another second of this...

Are you kidding me??? Outlaws, JESTERS!! LMFAO!!!

Yes, tons of talent on those teams...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you kidding me??? Outlaws, JESTERS!! LMFAO!!!

Put down the 23rd Schlitz at 3:30am, degenerate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you kidding me??? Outlaws, JESTERS!! LMFAO!!!

Yea? What team your kid play on? Because those teams beat all but 2 teams at this age group and Played both of them tough. If your kid was actually on one of those teams you would know that and not say stupid things.

Some people work overnight, guess you didn't understand that. but thanks for kind words. Wishing your kid the best of luck

Curious because I don't recall the terps playing either of those teams last year???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some people work overnight, guess you didn't understand that. but thanks for kind words. Wishing your kid the best of luck

Your welcome. Remember, ye reap, what ye sow! Completely understand the work thing, bashing players on other teams, I don't. Sorry, your degenerate comments deserved condemnation... By the way, if your son IS on Extreme or Terps and you work nights...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If that is true the top 25 on extreme should already verbal to a collage.
there are about min 60 kids with verbal from 2018 not all are playing 91 extreme. oh by the way they have lost more than 2-3 games.

2012 - Xtreme had zero losses against 2018 teams
2013 - Xtreme had two losses - one to the Terps and one to Dukes (they beat Terps three times that year and Dukes once)
2014 - Xtreme lost one game to FCA Blue (and beat them once).

That's three 2018 losses, per the post.

What about the loss in lax fest before the playoffs that is just one I can think of that you did not mention. In addition, you had lost to terps 2 times team long island at least once
Stop the lying
You have had more than 3 loses over the last 5 years
[lacrosse] you went 1-2 one tournament in Maryland

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about the loss in lax fest before the playoffs that is just one I can think of that you did not mention. In addition, you had lost to terps 2 times team long island at least once
Stop the lying
You have had more than 3 loses over the last 5 years
[lacrosse] you went 1-2 one tournament in Maryland

Due to anonymity this person might not even be a parent from 91 Extreme. Because what type of looser who claims his son is already committed would come on here and put down other players. I am friends with many of the parents on Extreme and those who are committed are good people and wouldn't claim the crap this person is claiming. Just a pot stirrer. It could be one of those insecure fringe dweller Extreme players who has been fed scraps for a long time and is trying to make himself and his kid feel better by knocking others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about the loss in lax fest before the playoffs that is just one I can think of that you did not mention. In addition, you had lost to terps 2 times team long island at least once
Stop the lying
You have had more than 3 loses over the last 5 years
[lacrosse] you went 1-2 one tournament in Maryland

Bucks beat them. Great team but never measured up to the 2017 Turtles.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about the loss in lax fest before the playoffs that is just one I can think of that you did not mention. In addition, you had lost to terps 2 times team long island at least once
Stop the lying
You have had more than 3 loses over the last 5 years
[lacrosse] you went 1-2 one tournament in Maryland

Bucks beat them. Great team but never measured up to the 2017 Turtles.

Lost to the Terps once - never lost to TLI over the period mentioned. Maryland tourney two years ago they played up an age group. Never said anything about 5 years - read the post more carefully.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about the loss in lax fest before the playoffs that is just one I can think of that you did not mention. In addition, you had lost to terps 2 times team long island at least once
Stop the lying
You have had more than 3 loses over the last 5 years
[lacrosse] you went 1-2 one tournament in Maryland

Bucks beat them. Great team but never measured up to the 2017 Turtles.

Bucks didn't beat them. Bucks tied them; they played again the same day and Xtreme beat Bucks and then lost to the Terps in the final. Agree that the Terps were the stronger team based on their record over several years - hard to argue with that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about the loss in lax fest before the playoffs that is just one I can think of that you did not mention. In addition, you had lost to terps 2 times team long island at least once
Stop the lying
You have had more than 3 loses over the last 5 years
[lacrosse] you went 1-2 one tournament in Maryland

Bucks beat them. Great team but never measured up to the 2017 Turtles.

Bucks didn't beat them. Bucks tied them; they played again the same day and Xtreme beat Bucks and then lost to the Terps in the final. Agree that the Terps were the stronger team based on their record over several years - hard to argue with that.

Sorry, I meant to say that it's hard to argue that the Turtles weren't the stronger team over a several year period, not the Terps - Xtreme went something like 5-1 versus the Terps from 2012-2014.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If that is true the top 25 on extreme should already verbal to a collage.
there are about min 60 kids with verbal from 2018 not all are playing 91 extreme. oh by the way they have lost more than 2-3 games.

2012 - Xtreme had zero losses against 2018 teams
2013 - Xtreme had two losses - one to the Terps and one to Dukes (they beat Terps three times that year and Dukes once)
2014 - Xtreme lost one game to FCA Blue (and beat them once).

That's three 2018 losses, per the post.

Lost last year in shamrock pool play came back in finals to beat same team. Missed that one

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If that is true the top 25 on extreme should already verbal to a collage.
there are about min 60 kids with verbal from 2018 not all are playing 91 extreme. oh by the way they have lost more than 2-3 games.

2012 - Xtreme had zero losses against 2018 teams
2013 - Xtreme had two losses - one to the Terps and one to Dukes (they beat Terps three times that year and Dukes once)
2014 - Xtreme lost one game to FCA Blue (and beat them once).

That's three 2018 losses, per the post.

Lost last year in shamrock pool play came back in finals to beat same team. Missed that one

Hawks beat them in Ocean City last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not as good as 22-25- what- try not as good as maybe top 5. Some might be better-

not a chance. if those teams had 5 top players, they would be a top team. Last time i heard about any of those teams, they were fighting an insecurity complex on this site.

It is not the end of the world if your kid doesnt play d-1...move on

Sound advise, now go repeat it over and over in your own head. If history is any indictor, approximately 125-150 boys in this grade will go D1 from LI. Which means more of those D1 recruit kids will come from teams other than Terps or 91... and from what I see, not every kid currently on Terps or 91 is destine to go D1. Do your homework before you come on here and run your mouth. Good luck to your son.

Sound like you are insecure, but i will stay away from the running your mouth comment. Nonetheless, I wish nothing but the best for all the boys. I hope they all get to do/play, whatever, wherever, they want.

I'm not sure how the presentation of the facts translates into insecurity? Perhaps you are uncomfortable hearing them. Good luck.

Mine already committed, good luck to yours. as far as the others, most are talking seriously to coaches... best of luck to you.

Mine doesn't have a clue on what school he wants to commit to but yes, he has been talking to various D1 schools, he may not even want to play D1 lacrosse, possibly football instead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If that is true the top 25 on extreme should already verbal to a collage.
there are about min 60 kids with verbal from 2018 not all are playing 91 extreme. oh by the way they have lost more than 2-3 games.

2012 - Xtreme had zero losses against 2018 teams
2013 - Xtreme had two losses - one to the Terps and one to Dukes (they beat Terps three times that year and Dukes once)
2014 - Xtreme lost one game to FCA Blue (and beat them once).

That's three 2018 losses, per the post.

Lost last year in shamrock pool play came back in finals to beat same team. Missed that one

Hawks beat them in Ocean City last year.

And a NJ team beat them at Mitchel Field last year. And the NH Tomahawks beat them. They are best team in country over the past 5 years. No need to pound chest. Very na�ve to think best 25 players. I think you are actually a parent on the team, and I am shocked. Typically great group of parents and kids.

FACT - 91 extreme was going to a game in Philly and the tournament gave the wrong address and 91 Extreme got LOST on way to the game. Yet another LOSS for that directionally challenged team.

Maverik Showtime: Does anyone know if they have an admin who answers emails in this off season?

Sent an email to the contact addrees off the website weeks ago.
Have not heard back yet. Curious to know if it was ignored or just not gotten to yet.

Has anyone, other than the showcase invite email, gotten in touch with them and had a response????

Can everyone rank their top 5 or 10 2018 club teams from what they have seen over the last couple of years?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can everyone rank their top 5 or 10 2018 club teams from what they have seen over the last couple of years?

Hard to rank but this is a list of the top 2018s. List below are teams that I've seen play against each other and they are, most of the times, close.

91Extreme
Express Terps
HHH Duke
SweetLax
Crabs
FCA
Express North
Tomahawks
3D National
West Coast Stars
Brady's Bunch
Madlax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

You wanna see who the real talent is. Watch the rising sophmores game between Nassau and Suffolk at the end of the school year.There you will see the real talent of 2018.No politics,just pure talent.

Heck, why not just go watch 91Extreme vs LI Express Team 1.

Please! Take it down a notch. So many other kids out there just as good as the best on those teams....

SO many kids in suffolk and nassau as good as those kids? Really? How many is so many...

5 or 6 kids on most other A teams just as good as ,and better than back end of either of those rosters.

What A teams are you talking about here on LI? If you said crabs and dukes...I would agree. So before I comment, share all those A teams with 5 or 6 kids better than the "back end" extreme and terps. Just silly...Maybe you are thinking 1 or 2...

Did your son get cut?

I agree that Xtreme and Terps have probably been the 2 most accomplished teams in the 2018 class, but TLI is not far behind. They have beaten both teams and always play both teams to a close game. They have also beaten Jesters , outlaws, fl$ etc.. easily. They have plenty of 2018 kids who are on par with Xtreme and Terps kids. To say that their top kids should not be in the conversation or not as good as the back of their rosters is ridiculous.

extreme, crabs, dukes, terps --fifth spot up for grabs. NH tomahaks always good and express north always good...

Not including national teams like madlax national, fca national...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maverik Showtime: Does anyone know if they have an admin who answers emails in this off season?

Sent an email to the contact addrees off the website weeks ago.
Have not heard back yet. Curious to know if it was ignored or just not gotten to yet.

Has anyone, other than the showcase invite email, gotten in touch with them and had a response????

showtimelax@gmail.com - I got reply's right away but hey, my kid plays for Xtreme and they know they are lucky to have any player from a team that has only lost 3 games in the last three years

Team LI is very good. the issue continues to be, that they have 2017 kids on the team. They intestinally play by different rules so they can't be compared. They are not a true 2018 team, and cant be in same conversation. The individual players who actually are 2018 can!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can everyone rank their top 5 or 10 2018 club teams from what they have seen over the last couple of years?

Hard to rank but this is a list of the top 2018s. List below are teams that I've seen play against each other and they are, most of the times, close.

91Extreme
Express Terps
HHH Duke
SweetLax
Crabs
FCA
Express North
Tomahawks
3D National
West Coast Stars
Brady's Bunch
Madlax
Texas Mustangs

1 - NH Tomahawks
2 - Extreme
3 - Crabs
4 - Terps
5 - Dukes
6 - WCS
7 - Express No.
8 - Madlax
9 - 91 orange
10 - VLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team LI is very good. the issue continues to be, that they have 2017 kids on the team. They intestinally play by different rules so they can't be compared. They are not a true 2018 team, and cant be in same conversation. The individual players who actually are 2018 can!

FYI . Last year TLI had 2 2017 kids. This year there isn't any! You can put them in the conversation.

so why was it OK to play in 2018 brackets last year? Why would any HS player want to play down in 8th grade divisions?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 - NH Tomahawks
2 - Extreme
3 - Crabs
4 - Terps
5 - Dukes
6 - WCS
7 - Express No.
8 - Madlax
9 - 91 orange
10 - VLC

REALLY?

they only played in tournaments that were 2017 or approved by the tournament director.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team LI is very good. the issue continues to be, that they have 2017 kids on the team. They intestinally play by different rules so they can't be compared. They are not a true 2018 team, and cant be in same conversation. The individual players who actually are 2018 can!

FYI . Last year TLI had 2 2017 kids. This year there isn't any! You can put them in the conversation.

if they did in fact play with only 2018 players this fall lets have the conversation, what fall tournaments did they play in and how did they do? who did they play?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 - NH Tomahawks
2 - Extreme
3 - Crabs
4 - Terps
5 - Dukes
6 - WCS
7 - Express No.
8 - Madlax
9 - 91 orange
10 - VLC

REALLY?

stop yelling - and yes really, what don't you agree with?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team LI is very good. the issue continues to be, that they have 2017 kids on the team. They intestinally play by different rules so they can't be compared. They are not a true 2018 team, and cant be in same conversation. The individual players who actually are 2018 can!

FYI . Last year TLI had 2 2017 kids. This year there isn't any! You can put them in the conversation.

if they did in fact play with only 2018 players this fall lets

have the conversation, what fall tournaments did they play in

and how did they do? who did they play?

I'm not sure if they played in the fall. I just know that they only took 2018's on the team after the tryout in the summer. I was told they only had 1 2017 who started last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 - NH Tomahawks
2 - Extreme
3 - Crabs
4 - Terps
5 - Dukes
6 - WCS
7 - Express No.
8 - Madlax
9 - 91 orange
10 - VLC

2018 FCA Baltimore will have a good laugh at your list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 - NH Tomahawks
2 - Extreme
3 - Crabs
4 - Terps
5 - Dukes
6 - WCS
7 - Express No.
8 - Madlax
9 - 91 orange
10 - VLC

2018 FCA Baltimore will have a good laugh at your list.

Doesn't FCA just put teams together one tourney at a time? With kids from multiple teams? I remember some LI kids play in one tournament for FCA -

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 - NH Tomahawks
2 - Extreme
3 - Crabs
4 - Terps
5 - Dukes
6 - WCS
7 - Express No.
8 - Madlax
9 - 91 orange
10 - VLC

REALLY?

91 orange??? Really ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 - NH Tomahawks
2 - Extreme
3 - Crabs
4 - Terps
5 - Dukes
6 - WCS
7 - Express No.
8 - Madlax
9 - 91 orange
10 - VLC

I think we should stick with just naming that 10 or so teams that can compete in this age group, ranking makes no sense, especially the person who provided this ranking.

exactly . kind of a silly thing for some parent to rank teams. as if they have seen and analyzed all of these teams...please...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 - NH Tomahawks
2 - Extreme
3 - Crabs
4 - Terps
5 - Dukes
6 - WCS
7 - Express No.
8 - Madlax
9 - 91 orange
10 - VLC

2018 FCA Baltimore will have a good laugh at your list.

I do believe they traded wins with Crabs and 91 last year...they are a top 5 team no doubt

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 - NH Tomahawks
2 - Extreme
3 - Crabs
4 - Terps
5 - Dukes
6 - WCS
7 - Express No.
8 - Madlax
9 - 91 orange
10 - VLC

2018 FCA Baltimore will have a good laugh at your list.

I do believe they traded wins with Crabs and 91 last year...they are a top 5 team no doubt

That was not FCA Baltimore, that was the FCA Nationals Team, which by the way, Terps also beat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 - NH Tomahawks
2 - Extreme
3 - Crabs
4 - Terps
5 - Dukes
6 - WCS
7 - Express No.
8 - Madlax
9 - 91 orange
10 - VLC

2018 FCA Baltimore will have a good laugh at your list.

I do believe they traded wins with Crabs and 91 last year...they are a top 5 team no doubt

That was not FCA Baltimore, that was the FCA Nationals Team, which by the way, Terps also beat.

You, sir, are wrong. Terps never beat them, it was a combination of LI Express 2018 C, B, and Terps and yes it was the FCA National Team.

I have seen every team play on this list over the past few years. I think they all deserve some merit and ranking them is tough. I think there are a few teams that should be on it like Sweet Lax Platinum Laxachusetes Black, WCS, Team Texas, and Jesters Black, just to name a few. Things will be shaken up this summer with the re-classes now playing a year down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 - NH Tomahawks
2 - Extreme
3 - Crabs
4 - Terps
5 - Dukes
6 - WCS
7 - Express No.
8 - Madlax
9 - 91 orange
10 - VLC

2018 FCA Baltimore will have a good laugh at your list.

I do believe they traded wins with Crabs and 91 last year...they are a top 5 team no doubt

You are missing Leading Edge who beat many of the teams on the list this Fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 - NH Tomahawks
2 - Extreme
3 - Crabs
4 - Terps
5 - Dukes
6 - WCS
7 - Express No.
8 - Madlax
9 - 91 orange
10 - VLC

2018 FCA Baltimore will have a good laugh at your list.

I do believe they traded wins with Crabs and 91 last year...they are a top 5 team no doubt

You are missing Leading Edge who beat many of the teams on the list this Fall.

Laxachusetts is top 5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 - NH Tomahawks
2 - Extreme
3 - Crabs
4 - Terps
5 - Dukes
6 - WCS
7 - Express No.
8 - Madlax
9 - 91 orange
10 - VLC

2018 FCA Baltimore will have a good laugh at your list.

I do believe they traded wins with Crabs and 91 last year...they are a top 5 team no doubt

You are missing Leading Edge who beat many of the teams on the list this Fall.

Laxachusetts is top 5

Leading edge and LaxachusettS? You couldn't find 5 kids born in 2000 on both rosters combined! And I bet you a bunch of 98's on both as well!

Have played both teams and parents will actually tell you on sidelines.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 - NH Tomahawks
2 - Extreme
3 - Crabs
4 - Terps
5 - Dukes
6 - WCS
7 - Express No.
8 - Madlax
9 - 91 orange
10 - VLC

2018 FCA Baltimore will have a good laugh at your list.

I do believe they traded wins with Crabs and 91 last year...they are a top 5 team no doubt

You are missing Leading Edge who beat many of the teams on the list this Fall.

Laxachusetts is top 5

Leading edge and LaxachusettS? You couldn't find 5 kids born in 2000 on both rosters combined! And I bet you a bunch of 98's on both as well!

Have played both teams and parents will actually tell you on sidelines.

OK! Let's not start this age thing.. again, and stay with just the fact that this is ASSuming teams playing in the 2018 category.

Has anyone received the "USA TODAY Sports Great State Showdown" tryout invite for the Lower New [lacrosse] Region? I believe it is invite only and that it is limited to what they consider to be the top 50 players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 - NH Tomahawks
2 - Extreme
3 - Crabs
4 - Terps
5 - Dukes
6 - WCS
7 - Express No.
8 - Madlax
9 - 91 orange
10 - VLC

2018 FCA Baltimore will have a good laugh at your list.

I do believe they traded wins with Crabs and 91 last year...they are a top 5 team no doubt

You are missing Leading Edge who beat many of the teams on the list this Fall.

Laxachusetts is top 5

Leading edge and LaxachusettS? You couldn't find 5 kids born in 2000 on both rosters combined! And I bet you a bunch of 98's on both as well!

Have played both teams and parents will actually tell you on sidelines.

Absolutely 100% true! I wonder how these teams as well as Dukes, Crabs, FCA and others would fair against other teams from LI with mostly 99's and 98's. Ya know, like just about any LI 2017 team. I think we all know how that would play out. Please, can't have the age discussion again on this thread. We all know the deal. Not one of these teams could beat or compete the top 2018 LI teams without their holdbacks/double holdbacks and re-class kids. Just shake your head and move on. Nothing will change until this all goes age based, until then it's a joke to compare these teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Absolutely 100% true! I wonder how these teams as well as Dukes, Crabs, FCA and others would fair against other teams from LI with mostly 99's and 98's. Ya know, like just about any LI 2017 team. I think we all know how that would play out. Please, can't have the age discussion again on this thread. We all know the deal. Not one of these teams could beat or compete the top 2018 LI teams without their holdbacks/double holdbacks and re-class kids. Just shake your head and move on. Nothing will change until this all goes age based, until then it's a joke to compare these teams.

This is very Fox News of you to make all your arguments and then say we can't have this discussion again. Unless the creators tell us otherwise 2018 is a grade based thread not an age based thread so unless somebody wants to start a birth year 2000 thread we need to discuss kids and teams graduating HS in 2018.

now you can stop the discussion

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone received the "USA TODAY Sports Great State Showdown" tryout invite for the Lower New [lacrosse] Region? I believe it is invite only and that it is limited to what they consider to be the top 50 players.

Yes, my son received an invite yesterday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Absolutely 100% true! I wonder how these teams as well as Dukes, Crabs, FCA and others would fair against other teams from LI with mostly 99's and 98's. Ya know, like just about any LI 2017 team. I think we all know how that would play out. Please, can't have the age discussion again on this thread. We all know the deal. Not one of these teams could beat or compete the top 2018 LI teams without their holdbacks/double holdbacks and re-class kids. Just shake your head and move on. Nothing will change until this all goes age based, until then it's a joke to compare these teams.

This is very Fox News of you to make all your arguments and then say we can't have this discussion again. Unless the creators tell us otherwise 2018 is a grade based thread not an age based thread so unless somebody wants to start a birth year 2000 thread we need to discuss kids and teams graduating HS in 2018.

now you can stop the discussion

Couldn't agree more.

google it and find out where you can try out. you don't need to be invited.

What is the LI Birth Date ranges for a "True" 2018 player?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

google it and find out where you can try out. you don't need to be invited.

what are you referring to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the LI Birth Date ranges for a "True" 2018 player?

11/99 - 10/2000

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the LI Birth Date ranges for a "True" 2018 player?

a "true" 2018 is a child currently registered in 9th grade that is scheduled to graduate high school in the spring of 2018. The "Normal" birth date would depend on the individual school districts cut off date, as far as I know most are December 1st but many, many kids that are born after September first start a year later - this is boys and girl, athletes and non athletes. In My school district the cut off date is December first so a child born on or after 12/1/1999 and on or before 11/20/2000 would be a "normal" 2018.

US Lacrosse has set the cut off date as September 1st for their U based tournaments so under that guide a "Normal" 2018 would be born between 9/1/1999 and 11/30/2000.

No right answer to your question but circling back IMHO - a "true" 2018 is a child currently registered in 9th grade that is scheduled to graduate high school in the spring of 2018.

If you had a non lacrosse playing kid that was born 3/13/1999 as a premature birth with development issues and the parents decided to delay school for a year and that kid is in 9th grade they are a 2018 and if you had a kid lacrosse player that was born 11/30/1998 and then decided to repeat 8th grade and is now in 9th grade I would still consider him a "TRUE" 2018 because he is scheduled to graduate high school in 2018. I am not saying I like it or that it is fair, what I am saying is he is a 2018

Thanks for the clarification.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the LI Birth Date ranges for a "True" 2018 player?

a "true" 2018 is a child currently registered in 9th grade that is scheduled to graduate high school in the spring of 2018. The "Normal" birth date would depend on the individual school districts cut off date, as far as I know most are December 1st but many, many kids that are born after September first start a year later - this is boys and girl, athletes and non athletes. In My school district the cut off date is December first so a child born on or after 12/1/1999 and on or before 11/20/2000 would be a "normal" 2018.

US Lacrosse has set the cut off date as September 1st for their U based tournaments so under that guide a "Normal" 2018 would be born between 9/1/1999 and 11/30/2000.

No right answer to your question but circling back IMHO - a "true" 2018 is a child currently registered in 9th grade that is scheduled to graduate high school in the spring of 2018.

If you had a non lacrosse playing kid that was born 3/13/1999 as a premature birth with development issues and the parents decided to delay school for a year and that kid is in 9th grade they are a 2018 and if you had a kid lacrosse player that was born 11/30/1998 and then decided to repeat 8th grade and is now in 9th grade I would still consider him a "TRUE" 2018 because he is scheduled to graduate high school in 2018. I am not saying I like it or that it is fair, what I am saying is he is a 2018

if you are born in 1998, you are a cheater!.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the LI Birth Date ranges for a "True" 2018 player?

a "true" 2018 is a child currently registered in 9th grade that is scheduled to graduate high school in the spring of 2018. The "Normal" birth date would depend on the individual school districts cut off date, as far as I know most are December 1st but many, many kids that are born after September first start a year later - this is boys and girl, athletes and non athletes. In My school district the cut off date is December first so a child born on or after 12/1/1999 and on or before 11/20/2000 would be a "normal" 2018.

US Lacrosse has set the cut off date as September 1st for their U based tournaments so under that guide a "Normal" 2018 would be born between 9/1/1999 and 11/30/2000.

No right answer to your question but circling back IMHO - a "true" 2018 is a child currently registered in 9th grade that is scheduled to graduate high school in the spring of 2018.

If you had a non lacrosse playing kid that was born 3/13/1999 as a premature birth with development issues and the parents decided to delay school for a year and that kid is in 9th grade they are a 2018 and if you had a kid lacrosse player that was born 11/30/1998 and then decided to repeat 8th grade and is now in 9th grade I would still consider him a "TRUE" 2018 because he is scheduled to graduate high school in 2018. I am not saying I like it or that it is fair, what I am saying is he is a 2018

if you are born in 1998, you are a cheater!.

no a cheater would be a person playing under a fake name or a doctored birth document - a kid born in 1998 and in 9th grade is a 2018 - a frickin' old one but a 2018 none the less and not a cheater.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the LI Birth Date ranges for a "True" 2018 player?

a "true" 2018 is a child currently registered in 9th grade that is scheduled to graduate high school in the spring of 2018. The "Normal" birth date would depend on the individual school districts cut off date, as far as I know most are December 1st but many, many kids that are born after September first start a year later - this is boys and girl, athletes and non athletes. In My school district the cut off date is December first so a child born on or after 12/1/1999 and on or before 11/20/2000 would be a "normal" 2018.

US Lacrosse has set the cut off date as September 1st for their U based tournaments so under that guide a "Normal" 2018 would be born between 9/1/1999 and 11/30/2000.

No right answer to your question but circling back IMHO - a "true" 2018 is a child currently registered in 9th grade that is scheduled to graduate high school in the spring of 2018.

If you had a non lacrosse playing kid that was born 3/13/1999 as a premature birth with development issues and the parents decided to delay school for a year and that kid is in 9th grade they are a 2018 and if you had a kid lacrosse player that was born 11/30/1998 and then decided to repeat 8th grade and is now in 9th grade I would still consider him a "TRUE" 2018 because he is scheduled to graduate high school in 2018. I am not saying I like it or that it is fair, what I am saying is he is a 2018

if you are born in 1998, you are a cheater!.

no a cheater would be a person playing under a fake name or a doctored birth document - a kid born in 1998 and in 9th grade is a 2018 - a frickin' old one but a 2018 none the less and not a cheater.

C H E A T E R

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the LI Birth Date ranges for a "True" 2018 player?

a "true" 2018 is a child currently registered in 9th grade that is scheduled to graduate high school in the spring of 2018. The "Normal" birth date would depend on the individual school districts cut off date, as far as I know most are December 1st but many, many kids that are born after September first start a year later - this is boys and girl, athletes and non athletes. In My school district the cut off date is December first so a child born on or after 12/1/1999 and on or before 11/20/2000 would be a "normal" 2018.

US Lacrosse has set the cut off date as September 1st for their U based tournaments so under that guide a "Normal" 2018 would be born between 9/1/1999 and 11/30/2000.

No right answer to your question but circling back IMHO - a "true" 2018 is a child currently registered in 9th grade that is scheduled to graduate high school in the spring of 2018.

If you had a non lacrosse playing kid that was born 3/13/1999 as a premature birth with development issues and the parents decided to delay school for a year and that kid is in 9th grade they are a 2018 and if you had a kid lacrosse player that was born 11/30/1998 and then decided to repeat 8th grade and is now in 9th grade I would still consider him a "TRUE" 2018 because he is scheduled to graduate high school in 2018. I am not saying I like it or that it is fair, what I am saying is he is a 2018

if you are born in 1998, you are a cheater!.

no a cheater would be a person playing under a fake name or a doctored birth document - a kid born in 1998 and in 9th grade is a 2018 - a frickin' old one but a 2018 none the less and not a cheater.

Like stated previously, let's not go there. Keep with the fact that it is a 2018 graduating year and not age based.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the LI Birth Date ranges for a "True" 2018 player?

a "true" 2018 is a child currently registered in 9th grade that is scheduled to graduate high school in the spring of 2018. The "Normal" birth date would depend on the individual school districts cut off date, as far as I know most are December 1st but many, many kids that are born after September first start a year later - this is boys and girl, athletes and non athletes. In My school district the cut off date is December first so a child born on or after 12/1/1999 and on or before 11/20/2000 would be a "normal" 2018.

US Lacrosse has set the cut off date as September 1st for their U based tournaments so under that guide a "Normal" 2018 would be born between 9/1/1999 and 11/30/2000.

No right answer to your question but circling back IMHO - a "true" 2018 is a child currently registered in 9th grade that is scheduled to graduate high school in the spring of 2018.

If you had a non lacrosse playing kid that was born 3/13/1999 as a premature birth with development issues and the parents decided to delay school for a year and that kid is in 9th grade they are a 2018 and if you had a kid lacrosse player that was born 11/30/1998 and then decided to repeat 8th grade and is now in 9th grade I would still consider him a "TRUE" 2018 because he is scheduled to graduate high school in 2018. I am not saying I like it or that it is fair, what I am saying is he is a 2018

if you are born in 1998, you are a cheater!.

no a cheater would be a person playing under a fake name or a doctored birth document - a kid born in 1998 and in 9th grade is a 2018 - a frickin' old one but a 2018 none the less and not a cheater.

Like stated previously, let's not go there. Keep with the fact that it is a 2018 graduating year and not age based.

Being 16 in 9th grade is cheating. No other reason to be there. If it is for academic reasons, I would slow down on the recruiting efforts. The good news is, they can drive themselves to summer school!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Absolutely 100% true! I wonder how these teams as well as Dukes, Crabs, FCA and others would fair against other teams from LI with mostly 99's and 98's. Ya know, like just about any LI 2017 team. I think we all know how that would play out. Please, can't have the age discussion again on this thread. We all know the deal. Not one of these teams could beat or compete the top 2018 LI teams without their holdbacks/double holdbacks and re-class kids. Just shake your head and move on. Nothing will change until this all goes age based, until then it's a joke to compare these teams.

This is very Fox News of you to make all your arguments and then say we can't have this discussion again. Unless the creators tell us otherwise 2018 is a grade based thread not an age based thread so unless somebody wants to start a birth year 2000 thread we need to discuss kids and teams graduating HS in 2018.

now you can stop the discussion

How MSNBC of to try and twist the facts to support the alternate reality you exist in. Early 99 or 98 are not legit 2018's. Now we'll stop. Now give your freshman the keys to the range rover so he can drive to practice tomorrow morning.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the LI Birth Date ranges for a "True" 2018 player?

a "true" 2018 is a child currently registered in 9th grade that is scheduled to graduate high school in the spring of 2018. The "Normal" birth date would depend on the individual school districts cut off date, as far as I know most are December 1st but many, many kids that are born after September first start a year later - this is boys and girl, athletes and non athletes. In My school district the cut off date is December first so a child born on or after 12/1/1999 and on or before 11/20/2000 would be a "normal" 2018.

US Lacrosse has set the cut off date as September 1st for their U based tournaments so under that guide a "Normal" 2018 would be born between 9/1/1999 and 11/30/2000.

No right answer to your question but circling back IMHO - a "true" 2018 is a child currently registered in 9th grade that is scheduled to graduate high school in the spring of 2018.

If you had a non lacrosse playing kid that was born 3/13/1999 as a premature birth with development issues and the parents decided to delay school for a year and that kid is in 9th grade they are a 2018 and if you had a kid lacrosse player that was born 11/30/1998 and then decided to repeat 8th grade and is now in 9th grade I would still consider him a "TRUE" 2018 because he is scheduled to graduate high school in 2018. I am not saying I like it or that it is fair, what I am saying is he is a 2018

if you are born in 1998, you are a cheater!.

no a cheater would be a person playing under a fake name or a doctored birth document - a kid born in 1998 and in 9th grade is a 2018 - a frickin' old one but a 2018 none the less and not a cheater.

Like stated previously, let's not go there. Keep with the fact that it is a 2018 graduating year and not age based.

Being 16 in 9th grade is cheating. No other reason to be there. If it is for academic reasons, I would slow down on the recruiting efforts. The good news is, they can drive themselves to summer school!

"is" in 9th grade, "is" 16 years old, "is" not cheating, "is" cheating, once again it all comes down to your definition of the word "is" a slick Willy classic.... But let's be honest, we all know you should be, at the oldest, a September 99 for a legit 2018. you can twist it all you want. dem's the facts folks. In the spirit of sportsmanship, this cannot be disputed. An attempt to state otherwise is intellectually dishonest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Absolutely 100% true! I wonder how these teams as well as Dukes, Crabs, FCA and others would fair against other teams from LI with mostly 99's and 98's. Ya know, like just about any LI 2017 team. I think we all know how that would play out. Please, can't have the age discussion again on this thread. We all know the deal. Not one of these teams could beat or compete the top 2018 LI teams without their holdbacks/double holdbacks and re-class kids. Just shake your head and move on. Nothing will change until this all goes age based, until then it's a joke to compare these teams.

This is very Fox News of you to make all your arguments and then say we can't have this discussion again. Unless the creators tell us otherwise 2018 is a grade based thread not an age based thread so unless somebody wants to start a birth year 2000 thread we need to discuss kids and teams graduating HS in 2018.

now you can stop the discussion

Couldn't agree more.

It's cheating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Absolutely 100% true! I wonder how these teams as well as Dukes, Crabs, FCA and others would fair against other teams from LI with mostly 99's and 98's. Ya know, like just about any LI 2017 team. I think we all know how that would play out. Please, can't have the age discussion again on this thread. We all know the deal. Not one of these teams could beat or compete the top 2018 LI teams without their holdbacks/double holdbacks and re-class kids. Just shake your head and move on. Nothing will change until this all goes age based, until then it's a joke to compare these teams.

This is very Fox News of you to make all your arguments and then say we can't have this discussion again. Unless the creators tell us otherwise 2018 is a grade based thread not an age based thread so unless somebody wants to start a birth year 2000 thread we need to discuss kids and teams graduating HS in 2018.

now you can stop the discussion

Couldn't agree more.

It's cheating.

Wow! You just can't stop whining... just keep telling yourself "A Cheaters Gonna Cheat" and get off the subject and get back to what the thread is about, 2018 Graduating year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Absolutely 100% true! I wonder how these teams as well as Dukes, Crabs, FCA and others would fair against other teams from LI with mostly 99's and 98's. Ya know, like just about any LI 2017 team. I think we all know how that would play out. Please, can't have the age discussion again on this thread. We all know the deal. Not one of these teams could beat or compete the top 2018 LI teams without their holdbacks/double holdbacks and re-class kids. Just shake your head and move on. Nothing will change until this all goes age based, until then it's a joke to compare these teams.

This is very Fox News of you to make all your arguments and then say we can't have this discussion again. Unless the creators tell us otherwise 2018 is a grade based thread not an age based thread so unless somebody wants to start a birth year 2000 thread we need to discuss kids and teams graduating HS in 2018.

now you can stop the discussion

Couldn't agree more.

It's cheating.

Wow! You just can't stop whining... just keep telling yourself "A Cheaters Gonna Cheat" and get off the subject and get back to what the thread is about, 2018 Graduating year.

no whining. stating facts. its cheating

Originally Posted by Anonymous

no whining. stating facts. its cheating

do you understand the difference between opinion and fact? It is your opinion that it is cheating and it is a fact that it is not.

o�pin�ion əˈpinyən/
noun
noun: opinion; plural noun: opinions

a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

fact fakt/
noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts

a thing that is indisputably the case.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

no whining. stating facts. its cheating

do you understand the difference between opinion and fact? It is your opinion that it is cheating and it is a fact that it is not.

o�pin�ion əˈpinyən/
noun
noun: opinion; plural noun: opinions

a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

fact fakt/
noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts

a thing that is indisputably the case.

My son is a very young 2018, the "fact" of the matter is, in my "opinion", you are whining about a subject that you have no control over, so just stay with what the this thread is about, the teams that play for the graduating year of 2018.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Absolutely 100% true! I wonder how these teams as well as Dukes, Crabs, FCA and others would fair against other teams from LI with mostly 99's and 98's. Ya know, like just about any LI 2017 team. I think we all know how that would play out. Please, can't have the age discussion again on this thread. We all know the deal. Not one of these teams could beat or compete the top 2018 LI teams without their holdbacks/double holdbacks and re-class kids. Just shake your head and move on. Nothing will change until this all goes age based, until then it's a joke to compare these teams.

This is very Fox News of you to make all your arguments and then say we can't have this discussion again. Unless the creators tell us otherwise 2018 is a grade based thread not an age based thread so unless somebody wants to start a birth year 2000 thread we need to discuss kids and teams graduating HS in 2018.

now you can stop the discussion

Couldn't agree more.

It's cheating.

Wow! You just can't stop whining... just keep telling yourself "A Cheaters Gonna Cheat" and get off the subject and get back to what the thread is about, 2018 Graduating year.

no whining. stating facts. its cheating

This argument get so boring. It is the same argument every year on these threads for the rising sophomores. While I agree that there is some bad behavior in terms of holdbacks/re-classes, unless the NCAA changes something in the rules or how recruiting works, unfortunately these are the cards you are dealt. Deal with it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

no whining. stating facts. its cheating

do you understand the difference between opinion and fact? It is your opinion that it is cheating and it is a fact that it is not.

o�pin�ion əˈpinyən/
noun
noun: opinion; plural noun: opinions

a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

fact fakt/
noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts

a thing that is indisputably the case.

great article in the NYT about how our children are becoming less sensitive to moral values because of the fact that people are trying to go off of fact that values/morals.

Was it an opinion the dress was blue/black or was it gold white. It all depends how you look at it. Yes that was the test behind the dress being leaked to the social media. Genius.

Good/Bad is not a fact it is opinion which is a moral value. cheating is an act so it is fact. but s it right or wrong it is a moral value.

even the definition of opinion itself can be argued

Originally Posted by Anonymous

no whining. stating facts. its cheating

do you understand the difference between opinion and fact? It is your opinion that it is cheating and it is a fact that it is not.

o�pin�ion əˈpinyən/
noun
noun: opinion; plural noun: opinions

a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

fact fakt/
noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts

a thing that is indisputably the case.

great article in the NYT about how our children are becoming less sensitive to moral values because of the fact that people these days (adults) are trying to go off of fact for things that are more values/morals driven.

Was it an opinion the dress was blue/black or was it gold white. It all depends how you look at it. Perception. A good spin doctor can distort the truth. Yes that was the test behind the dress being leaked to the social media. Genius.

Good/Bad is not a fact it is opinion which is a moral value. cheating is an act so it is fact. but s it right or wrong it is a moral value.

even the definition of opinion itself can be argued

Originally Posted by Anonymous

no whining. stating facts. its cheating

do you understand the difference between opinion and fact? It is your opinion that it is cheating and it is a fact that it is not.

o�pin�ion əˈpinyən/
noun
noun: opinion; plural noun: opinions

a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

fact fakt/
noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts

a thing that is indisputably the case.

great article in the NYT about how our children are becoming less sensitive to moral values because of the fact that people are trying to go off of fact that values/morals.

Was it an opinion the dress was blue/black or was it gold white. It all depends how you look at it. Yes that was the test behind the dress being leaked to the social media. Genius.

Good/Bad is not a fact it is opinion which is a moral value. cheating is an act so it is fact. but s it right or wrong it is a moral value.

even the definition of opinion itself can be argued

September 99 or younger legit 2018. Fact, indisputable. Everyone else is gaming the system, bending the rules, twisting the facts, etc. Can't have it both ways. Just accept the fact you're dishonest and move on. You don't have the moral high ground here. That's a fact.
For my son, I don't care, average age Legit,2018. Challenging himself and playing varsity. Will only make him stronger for summer recruiting. If he can play against seniors, which he can, then the holdbacks and re-class kids will be a piece of cake come summer. Which is the case with most anyway. Their parents knew they couldn't compete on age, so they had them play against the little kids. Too funny...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

no whining. stating facts. its cheating

do you understand the difference between opinion and fact? It is your opinion that it is cheating and it is a fact that it is not.

o�pin�ion əˈpinyən/
noun
noun: opinion; plural noun: opinions

a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

fact fakt/
noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts

a thing that is indisputably the case.

great article in the NYT about how our children are becoming less sensitive to moral values because of the fact that people are trying to go off of fact that values/morals.

Was it an opinion the dress was blue/black or was it gold white. It all depends how you look at it. Yes that was the test behind the dress being leaked to the social media. Genius.

Good/Bad is not a fact it is opinion which is a moral value. cheating is an act so it is fact. but s it right or wrong it is a moral value.

even the definition of opinion itself can be argued

September 99 or younger legit 2018. Fact, indisputable. Everyone else is gaming the system, bending the rules, twisting the facts, etc. Can't have it both ways. Just accept the fact you're dishonest and move on. You don't have the moral high ground here. That's a fact.
For my son, I don't care, average age Legit,2018. Challenging himself and playing varsity. Will only make him stronger for summer recruiting. If he can play against seniors, which he can, then the holdbacks and re-class kids will be a piece of cake come summer. Which is the case with most anyway. Their parents knew they couldn't compete on age, so they had them play against the little kids. Too funny...

My good man (or Woman),

I am not for the hold back/ reclassification bs, I am just stating why there has been such insensitivity towards it. People have lost their moral grounds. That is what the article stated. My child plays up in sports and is academically advanced.

I realize I am lucky but when I see a 12 year old play against a 16 year old because one is playing up and the other playing down I laugh. I am always a bit nervous but it is what is best for my child (to play up).

Now my child is not alone many of the players in travel lacrosse are advanced in academics and have the skill to play up. Stay the course LI, make it a true oddity for those that made the decision to play down (for no reason other than sports) and celebrate those who excel playing up and on point!

Agreed!!

Thanks for dictionary reference. Still cheating! Fact!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

no whining. stating facts. its cheating

do you understand the difference between opinion and fact? It is your opinion that it is cheating and it is a fact that it is not.

o�pin�ion əˈpinyən/
noun
noun: opinion; plural noun: opinions

a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

fact fakt/
noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts

a thing that is indisputably the case.

great article in the NYT about how our children are becoming less sensitive to moral values because of the fact that people are trying to go off of fact that values/morals.

Was it an opinion the dress was blue/black or was it gold white. It all depends how you look at it. Yes that was the test behind the dress being leaked to the social media. Genius.

Good/Bad is not a fact it is opinion which is a moral value. cheating is an act so it is fact. but s it right or wrong it is a moral value.

even the definition of opinion itself can be argued

September 99 or younger legit 2018. Fact, indisputable. Everyone else is gaming the system, bending the rules, twisting the facts, etc. Can't have it both ways. Just accept the fact you're dishonest and move on. You don't have the moral high ground here. That's a fact.
For my son, I don't care, average age Legit,2018. Challenging himself and playing varsity. Will only make him stronger for summer recruiting. If he can play against seniors, which he can, then the holdbacks and re-class kids will be a piece of cake come summer. Which is the case with most anyway. Their parents knew they couldn't compete on age, so they had them play against the little kids. Too funny...

And I bet you look a lot older than buddies your age.
Your telling this group that sports teams should be picked by who matures earliest?
NO- My wife and I matured late. Held my son back in 5th grade-
Best decision ever.
Your boy have a mustache at age 12??

Stop crying and do whats best for your kid.
And you need to get in the gym and cover up that grey.

You and your wife matured late so you left your kid back for sports?? You are a lunatic! Leaving a well adjusted, academically stable 10 year old is not good for anyone!!

And nice try with the gym thing, but just ran NYC marathon in November and haven't had hair in 15 years to go grey!! Interesting you stereotype people who play their kids at proper age group?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You and your wife matured late so you left your kid back for sports?? You are a lunatic! Leaving a well adjusted, academically stable 10 year old is not good for anyone!!

And nice try with the gym thing, but just ran NYC marathon in November and haven't had hair in 15 years to go grey!! Interesting you stereotype people who play their kids at proper age group?

Interesting that you have figured out he was well adjusted and academically stable - or that the decision was based on sports you judgmental arrogant bald twit

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You and your wife matured late so you left your kid back for sports?? You are a lunatic! Leaving a well adjusted, academically stable 10 year old is not good for anyone!!

And nice try with the gym thing, but just ran NYC marathon in November and haven't had hair in 15 years to go grey!! Interesting you stereotype people who play their kids at proper age group?

Interesting that you have figured out he was well adjusted and academically stable - or that the decision was based on sports you judgmental arrogant bald twit

and this is the problem.

You led him to that conclusion. Two sayings come to mind.
* Lead a horse to water he should drink. if he doesn't is he trueloy a horse or a donkey!

* If it smell like chicken - taste like chicken - your chicken!

I'm not bald and have embraced the grey hair and actually like it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You and your wife matured late so you left your kid back for sports?? You are a lunatic! Leaving a well adjusted, academically stable 10 year old is not good for anyone!!

And nice try with the gym thing, but just ran NYC marathon in November and haven't had hair in 15 years to go grey!! Interesting you stereotype people who play their kids at proper age group?

Interesting that you have figured out he was well adjusted and academically stable - or that the decision was based on sports you judgmental arrogant bald twit

If you left him back for anything but sports, and you are here bragging about it on a lacrosse forum, you may be an even lower form of life than I anticipated? If that's possible??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You and your wife matured late so you left your kid back for sports?? You are a lunatic! Leaving a well adjusted, academically stable 10 year old is not good for anyone!!

And nice try with the gym thing, but just ran NYC marathon in November and haven't had hair in 15 years to go grey!! Interesting you stereotype people who play their kids at proper age group?

Interesting that you have figured out he was well adjusted and academically stable - or that the decision was based on sports you judgmental arrogant bald twit

and this is the problem.

You led him to that conclusion. Two sayings come to mind.
* Lead a horse to water he should drink. if he doesn't is he trueloy a horse or a donkey!

* If it smell like chicken - taste like chicken - your chicken!

I'm not bald and have embraced the grey hair and actually like it.

in original post you said you haven't had hair in 15 years and now you are saying you are not bald, am I missing something?

Hasn't this topic (re-classing) been beaten to death?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

no whining. stating facts. its cheating

do you understand the difference between opinion and fact? It is your opinion that it is cheating and it is a fact that it is not.

o�pin�ion əˈpinyən/
noun
noun: opinion; plural noun: opinions

a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

fact fakt/
noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts

a thing that is indisputably the case.

great article in the NYT about how our children are becoming less sensitive to moral values because of the fact that people are trying to go off of fact that values/morals.

Was it an opinion the dress was blue/black or was it gold white. It all depends how you look at it. Yes that was the test behind the dress being leaked to the social media. Genius.

Good/Bad is not a fact it is opinion which is a moral value. cheating is an act so it is fact. but s it right or wrong it is a moral value.

even the definition of opinion itself can be argued

September 99 or younger legit 2018. Fact, indisputable. Everyone else is gaming the system, bending the rules, twisting the facts, etc. Can't have it both ways. Just accept the fact you're dishonest and move on. You don't have the moral high ground here. That's a fact.
For my son, I don't care, average age Legit,2018. Challenging himself and playing varsity. Will only make him stronger for summer recruiting. If he can play against seniors, which he can, then the holdbacks and re-class kids will be a piece of cake come summer. Which is the case with most anyway. Their parents knew they couldn't compete on age, so they had them play against the little kids. Too funny...

And I bet you look a lot older than buddies your age.
Your telling this group that sports teams should be picked by who matures earliest?
NO- My wife and I matured late. Held my son back in 5th grade-
Best decision ever.
Your boy have a mustache at age 12??

Stop crying and do whats best for your kid.
And you need to get in the gym and cover up that grey.

Crying? Not a chance. Laughing out loud at your sad post? Absolutely.
Ask yourself, how are you going to "fix" things for your son in HS? He'll be forced to play with kids his own age, and heaven forbid, older. What about college? If he gets recruited, how will you reshuffle that deck?
As for me, I was young for my grade, never bothered me. Gym? Been lifting since I'm 12 years old. Cover gray hair???? No chance, I'm hetero.
Now go get a bottle of Miss Clariol and don't be late for your dance class at Lucille Roberts. Could you be any more fem?

yes, not the same person.

For what it's worth, here's a little anecdotal info on early recruiting from the 2017 recruits listed on laxpower.

School cut off in NYS is December. Most recruits are public school kids.

New [lacrosse] State has 77 commits in 2017

In the hold back, grade repeat, re-class States of MD, PA, DC and VA combined, 76 commits.

You make your own deductions...

Re: Great State Showdown

Anyone have insight into this inaugural event????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You and your wife matured late so you left your kid back for sports?? You are a lunatic! Leaving a well adjusted, academically stable 10 year old is not good for anyone!!

And nice try with the gym thing, but just ran NYC marathon in November and haven't had hair in 15 years to go grey!! Interesting you stereotype people who play their kids at proper age group?

Interesting that you have figured out he was well adjusted and academically stable - or that the decision was based on sports you judgmental arrogant bald twit

and this is the problem.

You led him to that conclusion. Two sayings come to mind.
* Lead a horse to water he should drink. if he doesn't is he trueloy a horse or a donkey!

* If it smell like chicken - taste like chicken - your chicken!

I'm not bald and have embraced the grey hair and actually like it.

in original post you said you haven't had hair in 15 years and now you are saying you are not bald, am I missing something?

Yes you are. The fact that multiple people are so surprised by how ignorant you are, that they can't stop responding. It's not a conversation , it's a forum. Maybe you should have taken a second dose of 5th grade too!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re: Great State Showdown

Anyone have insight into this inaugural event????

It is a region specific tryout process and you cannot go and play for another region. All information is on the 3d website.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re: Great State Showdown

Anyone have insight into this inaugural event????

It is a region specific tryout process and you cannot go and play for another region. All information is on the 3d website.

it appears to be an invite only, you need to reach out to 3d to find out what the process is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Absolutely 100% true! I wonder how these teams as well as Dukes, Crabs, FCA and others would fair against other teams from LI with mostly 99's and 98's. Ya know, like just about any LI 2017 team. I think we all know how that would play out. Please, can't have the age discussion again on this thread. We all know the deal. Not one of these teams could beat or compete the top 2018 LI teams without their holdbacks/double holdbacks and re-class kids. Just shake your head and move on. Nothing will change until this all goes age based, until then it's a joke to compare these teams.

This is very Fox News of you to make all your arguments and then say we can't have this discussion again. Unless the creators tell us otherwise 2018 is a grade based thread not an age based thread so unless somebody wants to start a birth year 2000 thread we need to discuss kids and teams graduating HS in 2018.

now you can stop the discussion

CHEATER

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Absolutely 100% true! I wonder how these teams as well as Dukes, Crabs, FCA and others would fair against other teams from LI with mostly 99's and 98's. Ya know, like just about any LI 2017 team. I think we all know how that would play out. Please, can't have the age discussion again on this thread. We all know the deal. Not one of these teams could beat or compete the top 2018 LI teams without their holdbacks/double holdbacks and re-class kids. Just shake your head and move on. Nothing will change until this all goes age based, until then it's a joke to compare these teams.

This is very Fox News of you to make all your arguments and then say we can't have this discussion again. Unless the creators tell us otherwise 2018 is a grade based thread not an age based thread so unless somebody wants to start a birth year 2000 thread we need to discuss kids and teams graduating HS in 2018.

now you can stop the discussion

CHEATER

I am not a cheater nor is my 2000 birth year 2018 son, he does not care how old his opponents are he spends his energy on winning not on crying about how old the other kids are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Absolutely 100% true! I wonder how these teams as well as Dukes, Crabs, FCA and others would fair against other teams from LI with mostly 99's and 98's. Ya know, like just about any LI 2017 team. I think we all know how that would play out. Please, can't have the age discussion again on this thread. We all know the deal. Not one of these teams could beat or compete the top 2018 LI teams without their holdbacks/double holdbacks and re-class kids. Just shake your head and move on. Nothing will change until this all goes age based, until then it's a joke to compare these teams.

This is very Fox News of you to make all your arguments and then say we can't have this discussion again. Unless the creators tell us otherwise 2018 is a grade based thread not an age based thread so unless somebody wants to start a birth year 2000 thread we need to discuss kids and teams graduating HS in 2018.

now you can stop the discussion

CHEATER

I am not a cheater nor is my 2000 birth year 2018 son, he does not care how old his opponents are he spends his energy on winning not on crying about how old the other kids are.

Winning is all that matters! That's the way the "creators" intended it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Absolutely 100% true! I wonder how these teams as well as Dukes, Crabs, FCA and others would fair against other teams from LI with mostly 99's and 98's. Ya know, like just about any LI 2017 team. I think we all know how that would play out. Please, can't have the age discussion again on this thread. We all know the deal. Not one of these teams could beat or compete the top 2018 LI teams without their holdbacks/double holdbacks and re-class kids. Just shake your head and move on. Nothing will change until this all goes age based, until then it's a joke to compare these teams.

This is very Fox News of you to make all your arguments and then say we can't have this discussion again. Unless the creators tell us otherwise 2018 is a grade based thread not an age based thread so unless somebody wants to start a birth year 2000 thread we need to discuss kids and teams graduating HS in 2018.

now you can stop the discussion

CHEATER

I am not a cheater nor is my 2000 birth year 2018 son, he does not care how old his opponents are he spends his energy on winning not on crying about how old the other kids are.

Winning is all that matters! That's the way the "creators" intended it!

Dude, you have a crooked head, not a crooked arrow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re: Great State Showdown

Anyone have insight into this inaugural event????

It is a region specific tryout process and you cannot go and play for another region. All information is on the 3d website.

it appears to be an invite only, you need to reach out to 3d to find out what the process is.

We got an invite, simple process, just email them and they will inform you who to reach out to and what information is needed.

Feel free to lambast me and call us cheaters but I will share my son's story and why HE decided to reclassify. He plays on one of the top club teams was an invite to Jake Reed and other top events, but before last summer had a series of lower body injuries, which despite seeing a ton of experts, did not receive a proper diagnosis. He wound up missing just about all of his 2017 summer and all of this fall.

He wound up having bilateral hip surgery and also missed quite a bit of school this past fall. By missing most of last summer and all of the fall he had pretty much fallen off of the radar, but more importantly he felt that that his academic journey had taken a bit of turn when he was dealing with all of the pre-surgery rehab and then his eventual surgery to repair both of his hips.

If this had been a lacrosse driven decision we wouldn't have done it. I wouldn't be completely honest if I didn't say lacrosse did play some part in it. As a 2017 who missed out on the most important window of the recruiting process many of his options were off of the table, and while he doesn't have visions of playing at Hopkins, or UNC per se, after all of the hard work he wanted as many options as possible on the table.

Because he missed quite a bit of school and felt like he missed a semester he will now also be in a much better academic situation so for us it was the right decision to make.

Fell free to fire away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Feel free to lambast me and call us cheaters but I will share my son's story and why HE decided to reclassify. He plays on one of the top club teams was an invite to Jake Reed and other top events, but before last summer had a series of lower body injuries, which despite seeing a ton of experts, did not receive a proper diagnosis. He wound up missing just about all of his 2017 summer and all of this fall.

He wound up having bilateral hip surgery and also missed quite a bit of school this past fall. By missing most of last summer and all of the fall he had pretty much fallen off of the radar, but more importantly he felt that that his academic journey had taken a bit of turn when he was dealing with all of the pre-surgery rehab and then his eventual surgery to repair both of his hips.

If this had been a lacrosse driven decision we wouldn't have done it. I wouldn't be completely honest if I didn't say lacrosse did play some part in it. As a 2017 who missed out on the most important window of the recruiting process many of his options were off of the table, and while he doesn't have visions of playing at Hopkins, or UNC per se, after all of the hard work he wanted as many options as possible on the table.

Because he missed quite a bit of school and felt like he missed a semester he will now also be in a much better academic situation so for us it was the right decision to make.

Fell free to fire away.

Forget reclassifying, with those injuries at such a young age maybe it is time to consider golf.

Yea. It will cost you another $600. 200 for tryout. 400 for event. One more money grab and there are a ton of them.

Originally Posted by ConnorB

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re: Great State Showdown

Anyone have insight into this inaugural event????

It is a region specific tryout process and you cannot go and play for another region. All information is on the 3d website.

it appears to be an invite only, you need to reach out to 3d to find out what the process is.

We got an invite, simple process, just email them and they will inform you who to reach out to and what information is needed.

WOW! NOT WHAT I WAS TOLD.

I am glad we have BOTC. I bounce around looking for info, seeking advice and generally, I learn a great deal. I do realize that not all that I written is gospel.

I, too, emailed the contact name on the website inquiring about the tryout process back in February, informing them my son attended Blue Chip. I got back a response which spoke directly to my son. They had looked up his status based on his performance that weekend and told me he was ranked highly however they could not promise anything but he would be considered as the list was being drawn up.

What does this mean? To me, it meant a whole lot of nothing.

To the poster who contacted 3d --- did your club coach write a recommendation for your son?

Thanks for filling me in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by ConnorB

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re: Great State Showdown

Anyone have insight into this inaugural event????

It is a region specific tryout process and you cannot go and play for another region. All information is on the 3d website.

it appears to be an invite only, you need to reach out to 3d to find out what the process is.

We got an invite, simple process, just email them and they will inform you who to reach out to and what information is needed.

WOW! NOT WHAT I WAS TOLD.

I am glad we have BOTC. I bounce around looking for info, seeking advice and generally, I learn a great deal. I do realize that not all that I written is gospel.

I, too, emailed the contact name on the website inquiring about the tryout process back in February, informing them my son attended Blue Chip. I got back a response which spoke directly to my son. They had looked up his status based on his performance that weekend and told me he was ranked highly however they could not promise anything but he would be considered as the list was being drawn up.

What does this mean? To me, it meant a whole lot of nothing.

To the poster who contacted 3d --- did your club coach write a recommendation for your son?

Thanks for filling me in.

No, they requested the contact information (name, email, &phone) for both the club coach and HS coach, then they notified us a few days later, the person to email the info to @3d is Tim Bigelow (tbigelow). My assumption is that they reach out to them.

Seems like yet another well marketed money grab by 3d. The best advice we ever got when it came to summer events is that less is often more. If your son or daughter plays on a solid club team and in events that coaches attend if you can't get "seen" in three to four events than doing another one, especially this late in the summer isn't going to do it. It is hard to say no sometimes, but really one solid showcase and three to four team tournaments is more than enough. It it isn't happening it probably isn't happening for a reason.

FabFrosh or U15 National Championships?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems like yet another well marketed money grab by 3d. The best advice we ever got when it came to summer events is that less is often more. If your son or daughter plays on a solid club team and in events that coaches attend if you can't get "seen" in three to four events than doing another one, especially this late in the summer isn't going to do it. It is hard to say no sometimes, but really one solid showcase and three to four team tournaments is more than enough. It it isn't happening it probably isn't happening for a reason.

IMO - this is more for bragging rights to determine which region has the best 2018 lacrosse players, they separate NY into Upstate and Downstate and they state that you can only tryout for the region in which you live. As for the "money grab" comment, what event isn't out for money. This too is a subject that gets beat up over and over.

If you charge something like $200 for a one-day tryout it is a money grab. If it were really about the experience 3d ought to make it like Blackcard where the cost is virtually nothing.

Prep showcase? Any thoughts? Is this a "money grab" event?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prep showcase? Any thoughts? Is this a "money grab" event?

Very well run. Lots of great coaches. Good facilities. One of the best money grabs around, especially if you live in the NE.

Forget reclassifying, with those injuries at such a young age maybe it is time to consider golf. [/quote]

Byron Nelson held back in the 8th grade

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Feel free to lambast me and call us cheaters but I will share my son's story and why HE decided to reclassify. He plays on one of the top club teams was an invite to Jake Reed and other top events, but before last summer had a series of lower body injuries, which despite seeing a ton of experts, did not receive a proper diagnosis. He wound up missing just about all of his 2017 summer and all of this fall.

He wound up having bilateral hip surgery and also missed quite a bit of school this past fall. By missing most of last summer and all of the fall he had pretty much fallen off of the radar, but more importantly he felt that that his academic journey had taken a bit of turn when he was dealing with all of the pre-surgery rehab and then his eventual surgery to repair both of his hips.

If this had been a lacrosse driven decision we wouldn't have done it. I wouldn't be completely honest if I didn't say lacrosse did play some part in it. As a 2017 who missed out on the most important window of the recruiting process many of his options were off of the table, and while he doesn't have visions of playing at Hopkins, or UNC per se, after all of the hard work he wanted as many options as possible on the table.

Because he missed quite a bit of school and felt like he missed a semester he will now also be in a much better academic situation so for us it was the right decision to make.

Fell free to fire away.

You did a very nice job of explaining one of the many possible explanations for re-classifying, you owe no one an explanation nor do you need anyones approval it is pretty simple.......do what you think is best for your kid and everybody else can STFU

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Feel free to lambast me and call us cheaters but I will share my son's story and why HE decided to reclassify. He plays on one of the top club teams was an invite to Jake Reed and other top events, but before last summer had a series of lower body injuries, which despite seeing a ton of experts, did not receive a proper diagnosis. He wound up missing just about all of his 2017 summer and all of this fall.

He wound up having bilateral hip surgery and also missed quite a bit of school this past fall. By missing most of last summer and all of the fall he had pretty much fallen off of the radar, but more importantly he felt that that his academic journey had taken a bit of turn when he was dealing with all of the pre-surgery rehab and then his eventual surgery to repair both of his hips.

If this had been a lacrosse driven decision we wouldn't have done it. I wouldn't be completely honest if I didn't say lacrosse did play some part in it. As a 2017 who missed out on the most important window of the recruiting process many of his options were off of the table, and while he doesn't have visions of playing at Hopkins, or UNC per se, after all of the hard work he wanted as many options as possible on the table.

Because he missed quite a bit of school and felt like he missed a semester he will now also be in a much better academic situation so for us it was the right decision to make.

Fell free to fire away.

You did a very nice job of explaining one of the many possible explanations for re-classifying, you owe no one an explanation nor do you need anyones approval it is pretty simple.......do what you think is best for your kid and everybody else can STFU

Wrong! Everyone else doesn't have to "STFU" about re-classified kids. Your bigger kid is out there against other smaller, age-appropriate kids and could injure them. It is a contact sport. This is particularly true in the MS years when a one year age difference means a lot. The decision is not unique to the kid and his family.....it impacts others who don't have to STFU.

Reclassifying and being bigger don't always go hand in hand. I know a number of age appropriate 2019s who have mustaches while my reclassified 2018 still has a squeaky voice. Bottom line is reclassifying is within the letter of the law so, you're right, you don't have to STFU, but not sure you are accomplishing much.

So, what would you do? u15 National Championships or Fab Frosh?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, what would you do? u15 National Championships or Fab Frosh?

If you reclassified you wont be able to do u15!

just go to Chaminade camp. the sidelines are jammed with college recruiters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, what would you do? u15 National Championships or Fab Frosh?

If you reclassified you wont be able to do u15!

Actually you would, generally an 8th grader is the 14 part of 15U, so a kid held back would still qualify for 15U and to answer your question before it gets asked, my kids were not held back, I can just add and stopped Raging Against The Machine a few years ago, it's not going away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just go to Chaminade camp. the sidelines are jammed with college recruiters.

Yeah, but that is 17U

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, what would you do? u15 National Championships or Fab Frosh?

If you reclassified you wont be able to do u15!

Actually you would, generally an 8th grader is the 14 part of 15U, so a kid held back would still qualify for 15U and to answer your question before it gets asked, my kids were not held back, I can just add and stopped Raging Against The Machine a few years ago, it's not going away.

A 9th grader would be the 14 part of U15

I use old math.

2018 JP Lannig puts in 3 for Syosset today in win over CSH

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, what would you do? u15 National Championships or Fab Frosh?

If you reclassified you wont be able to do u15!

Actually you would, generally an 8th grader is the 14 part of 15U, so a kid held back would still qualify for 15U and to answer your question before it gets asked, my kids were not held back, I can just add and stopped Raging Against The Machine a few years ago, it's not going away.

A 9th grader would be the 14 part of U15

I use old math.

You must, because generally the older 13U kids are in 7th grade, the younger 15U kids are in 8th grade, the older 15U kids are in 9th grade unless they are held back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, what would you do? u15 National Championships or Fab Frosh?

If you reclassified you wont be able to do u15!

Actually you would, generally an 8th grader is the 14 part of 15U, so a kid held back would still qualify for 15U and to answer your question before it gets asked, my kids were not held back, I can just add and stopped Raging Against The Machine a few years ago, it's not going away.

A 9th grader would be the 14 part of U15

I use old math.

You must, because generally the older 13U kids are in 7th grade, the younger 15U kids are in 8th grade, the older 15U kids are in 9th grade unless they are held back.

You're both right. U-15 cut off I believe is 8/31/99. This would mean any legit age 2018/current 9th grader should be eligible to play. In the case of the out of state teams from MD, PA, NJ and Mass, they would have extreme difficulty with the birth certificate rule. Hence, you will see this year some 2019 teams there, just like last year. Most of their 2018 players are too OLD. In the case of 3d, they needed kids from 8 states to win it last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, what would you do? u15 National Championships or Fab Frosh?

If you reclassified you wont be able to do u15!

Actually you would, generally an 8th grader is the 14 part of 15U, so a kid held back would still qualify for 15U and to answer your question before it gets asked, my kids were not held back, I can just add and stopped Raging Against The Machine a few years ago, it's not going away.

A 9th grader would be the 14 part of U15

I use old math.

You must, because generally the older 13U kids are in 7th grade, the younger 15U kids are in 8th grade, the older 15U kids are in 9th grade unless they are held back.

You're both right. U-15 cut off I believe is 8/31/99. This would mean any legit age 2018/current 9th grader should be eligible to play. In the case of the out of state teams from MD, PA, NJ and Mass, they would have extreme difficulty with the birth certificate rule. Hence, you will see this year some 2019 teams there, just like last year. Most of their 2018 players are too OLD. In the case of 3d, they needed kids from 8 states to win it last year.

Why must we always got to that 'age' place when a simple question, U15 National Championships is run by USLacrosse and does verify, based on Lax#, that each player is age appropriate.
I'm not sure which is better, the tourney is a lot of great play (some coaches there last year but not as many as you would expect) but the Fab Frosh will have a slew of coaches on the sidelines.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, what would you do? u15 National Championships or Fab Frosh?

If you reclassified you wont be able to do u15!

Actually you would, generally an 8th grader is the 14 part of 15U, so a kid held back would still qualify for 15U and to answer your question before it gets asked, my kids were not held back, I can just add and stopped Raging Against The Machine a few years ago, it's not going away.

A 9th grader would be the 14 part of U15

I use old math.

You must, because generally the older 13U kids are in 7th grade, the younger 15U kids are in 8th grade, the older 15U kids are in 9th grade unless they are held back.

You're both right. U-15 cut off I believe is 8/31/99. This would mean any legit age 2018/current 9th grader should be eligible to play. In the case of the out of state teams from MD, PA, NJ and Mass, they would have extreme difficulty with the birth certificate rule. Hence, you will see this year some 2019 teams there, just like last year. Most of their 2018 players are too OLD. In the case of 3d, they needed kids from 8 states to win it last year.

BLAH BLAH BLAH, we are not both right. I am right. It is simple math.
13U is 7th grade
14U is 8th grade
15U is 9th grade
Plain and simple, it doesn't need your tired overdrawn spin on it. 15U is 15U regardless of grade, a freshman is a freshman regardless of age. People hold their kids back right or wrong, have been doing it for years. Adapt and adjust and move on, being an anonymous keyboard cowboy isn't going to change anything

A true 9th grader would be eligible. Many of these teams will not be able to bring their old, or reclassed 9th graders.

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BLAH BLAH BLAH, we are not both right. I am right. It is simple math.
13U is 7th grade
14U is 8th grade
15U is 9th grade
Plain and simple, it doesn't need your tired overdrawn spin on it. 15U is 15U regardless of grade, a freshman is a freshman regardless of age. People hold their kids back right or wrong, have been doing it for years. Adapt and adjust and move on, being an anonymous keyboard cowboy isn't going to change anything [/quote]

This statement is, by definition and interpretation, completely wrong. 13U, 14U and 15U are based solely on player ages. What grade they happen to be in is insignificant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A true 9th grader would be eligible. Many of these teams will not be able to bring their old, or reclassed 9th graders.

Direct for USLacrosse website:

U15:
All players must be 14 years old or younger on the August 31st preceding competition. It is recommended that when multiple teams exist within a program, the program should consider physical size, skill, and maturity when organizing teams.

NOTE: Age group references used in this section are in common usage but should not be understood literally. The U15 (read: �Under 15�) grouping means that, if a player is 14 years old on the cutoff date, he may participate in U15 competition as a 15-year old.

... so now we know, can we stop and get back to 2018 lacrosse related questions.

wait...one more question. is it cheating if you hoild back kid a year so he has an advantage in his grade? thanks...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wait...one more question. is it cheating if you hoild back kid a year so he has an advantage in his grade? thanks...

Go and stick a red hot poker where the sun don't shine.. (love these old phrases)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wait...one more question. is it cheating if you hoild back kid a year so he has an advantage in his grade? thanks...

This is all about lacrosse. Don't muddy the waters with education talk!!
(but when I moved my 7th grader to 5th grade, straight to the honor roll!!)

Looking for info:

Did anyone apply to the Nationals Team which as sponsored be Marverik/Lax Unlimited?

A mass email went out back in December looking to field teams 2019-2016 for VA, MD and Nationals. Tryout dates were TBD.

If you did fill out the application (as I did for my son) did anyone get a response after submitting an application???

Is this Syosset's JV team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 - NH Tomahawks
2 - Extreme
3 - Crabs
4 - Terps
5 - Dukes
6 - WCS
7 - Express No.
8 - Madlax
9 - 91 orange
10 - VLC

2018 FCA Baltimore will have a good laugh at your list.

I do believe they traded wins with Crabs and 91 last year...they are a top 5 team no doubt

FCA Blue beat 91 in the Summer and lost to them at Hopkins this Fall - they are a great team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hasn't this topic (re-classing) been beaten to death?

It has been beaten to death, but every dad with an 'age appropriate 9th grader' is going to have to deal with it for lacrosse, the way things are set up. My son goes to a private school, has an early 2000 birthdate, and is the youngest kid on the team. The dads I have spoken to have great reasons for the hold back/reclassification, and I'm not judging them. I do, however, think about it in terms of what it means for my son. Athletic age eligibility in the ISL - a New England prep school league - is 20 years old. My son just turned 15 and his team plays ISL teams with kids who are 20 years old. Am I thinking about whether that makes sense for my son, whether it's fair or even safe, and what I'm going to do about it so that he can have a great high school athletic experience/opportunity? You bet I am. I don't know the answer here, but I am watching an avalanche of dads in my area reclassify their sons right now, so that their boys aren't the youngest boys in the classroom or on the playing field. They have done what they think is right, but by so many of them doing this up and down the eastern seaboard, they have made things much more difficult for the rest of us, as boys with 2000 birth years are turning into very young 9th grade players.

Just watched the best 2018 talent around. That Chaminade team is outstanding. I say that objectively as a Friar dad.

Any comments on Adreneline Black Card or the NSCLA Select Showcase? For 2108 players?

Thank You

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just watched the best 2018 talent around. That Chaminade team is outstanding. I say that objectively as a Friar dad.

Well if the Friars could hold the ball, get ground balls, catch and throw, it would have been a much better game. They did well the first half, the second half, they were just overwhelmed.

Is this JV or Varsity?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this JV or Varsity?

The freshman teams played each other yesterday. Chaminade won 12-2.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this JV or Varsity?

The freshman teams played each other yesterday. Chaminade won 12-2.

At St. Ants the best freshman usually play JV. May explain the blow out by Chaminade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this JV or Varsity?

The freshman teams played each other yesterday. Chaminade won 12-2.

At St. Ants the best freshman usually play JV. May explain the blow out by Chaminade.

I am pretty sure only 2 were pulled up from the freshman team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this JV or Varsity?

The freshman teams played each other yesterday. Chaminade won 12-2.

At St. Ants the best freshman usually play JV. May explain the blow out by Chaminade.

I am pretty sure only 2 were pulled up from the freshman team.

yes, only 2 were pulled, both defensemen, would have made a some difference but the St. Anthony's offense was just overpowered for the Chaminade defense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this JV or Varsity?

The freshman teams played each other yesterday. Chaminade won 12-2.

At St. Ants the best freshman usually play JV. May explain the blow out by Chaminade.

I am pretty sure only 2 were pulled up from the freshman team.

yes, only 2 were pulled, both defensemen, would have made a some difference but the St. Anthony's offense was just overpowered for the Chaminade defense.

That's because the coach moved the players who made the team as attackmen to middy and those who made it as middy to attack to appease the squeaky wheel parents. All because they weren't going to step on field as 2nd line attack. Good job coach!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's because the coach moved the players who made the team as attackmen to middy and those who made it as middy to attack to appease the squeaky wheel parents. All because they weren't going to step on field as 2nd line attack. Good job coach!!!

Do not have a dog in the fight but really? freshman lacrosse and they are changing positions to appease parents and not to put kids in positions that the (Fresh/JV and Varsity)coaches think is the better position for them? or that they might fill a need for the program at those positions? please, St A's coaches are too smart for that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this JV or Varsity?

The freshman teams played each other yesterday. Chaminade won 12-2.

At St. Ants the best freshman usually play JV. May explain the blow out by Chaminade.

I am pretty sure only 2 were pulled up from the freshman team.

yes, only 2 were pulled, both defensemen, would have made a some difference but the St. Anthony's offense was just overpowered for the Chaminade defense.

That's because the coach moved the players who made the team as attackmen to middy and those who made it as middy to attack to appease the squeaky wheel parents. All because they weren't going to step on field as 2nd line attack. Good job coach!!!

First off, my son does not play on either team. But plays on the same team Travel Team as kids on both squads...BUT

Here are the facts: The Friars 2018 class is not as good as the Chammy 2018 class. That is including the two poles they moved up to JV. Anyone that knows anything about the players on both teams knows this. Chammy second line at every position is better than the Friars first line. There is so much depth at Chammy it is scary. It is what it is. You can argue all you want. Unfortunatley this is a one sided arguement for those who know who is on each team's roster. Get used to this for the next 4 years. I am looking forward to watching these kids grow up...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this JV or Varsity?

The freshman teams played each other yesterday. Chaminade won 12-2.

At St. Ants the best freshman usually play JV. May explain the blow out by Chaminade.

I am pretty sure only 2 were pulled up from the freshman team.

yes, only 2 were pulled, both defensemen, would have made a some difference but the St. Anthony's offense was just overpowered for the Chaminade defense.

Or they put the 10 best players on the field that give them the best chance to win. Middie to attack. Attack to Middie. Only person who make statemrs like that are parents of someone who didn't play. Squeaky wheel stuff doesn't work in HS. Time to earn way on field !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this JV or Varsity?

The freshman teams played each other yesterday. Chaminade won 12-2.

At St. Ants the best freshman usually play JV. May explain the blow out by Chaminade.

I am pretty sure only 2 were pulled up from the freshman team.

yes, only 2 were pulled, both defensemen, would have made a some difference but the St. Anthony's offense was just overpowered for the Chaminade defense.

Or they put the 10 best players on the field that give them the best chance to win. Middie to attack. Attack to Middie. Only person who make statemrs like that are parents of someone who didn't play. Squeaky wheel stuff doesn't work in HS. Time to earn way on field !

You have no clue of what goes on in the back rooms of these high school programs especially the Catholics. Deep pockets and legacies do get preferential treatment.

This is great propaganda for those 2019's who chose St. A's over Chammy or better yet those players who are still thinking about heading over to St Anthony's over their town. Let us not forget about those 2020 either.

Great story line.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 - NH Tomahawks
2 - Extreme
3 - Crabs
4 - Terps
5 - Dukes
6 - WCS
7 - Express No.
8 - Madlax
9 - 91 orange
10 - VLC

2018 FCA Baltimore will have a good laugh at your list.

I do believe they traded wins with Crabs and 91 last year...they are a top 5 team no doubt

FCA Blue beat 91 in the Summer and lost to them at Hopkins this Fall - they are a great team.

Annapolis Hawks would have to be on this list if Madlax and VLC are on it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this JV or Varsity?

The freshman teams played each other yesterday. Chaminade won 12-2.

At St. Ants the best freshman usually play JV. May explain the blow out by Chaminade.

I am pretty sure only 2 were pulled up from the freshman team.

yes, only 2 were pulled, both defensemen, would have made a some difference but the St. Anthony's offense was just overpowered for the Chaminade defense.

Or they put the 10 best players on the field that give them the best chance to win. Middie to attack. Attack to Middie. Only person who make statemrs like that are parents of someone who didn't play. Squeaky wheel stuff doesn't work in HS. Time to earn way on field !

Ok I am a SA parent. I was at the game. These kids on both teams all know each other. If you know the rosters of both teams there would be acknowledgment that of the talent that went to the 2 Catholics that more of the top 2018 talent went to Chaminade than SA. The kids themselves will acknowledge that as well. Did losing 2 defensemen to JV A hurt - yes but would not have changed the ultimate outcome yesterday. They were the better team. They may very will be the next 2 times they meet this year as well. Congrats to them. lets hope both teams continue to improve and that future games (not just this year but over the remaining 3 years as well) will be more competitive. let's also not create something as parents that doesn't exist between the kids. A lot of these kids are friends with each other

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is great propaganda for those 2019's who chose St. A's over Chammy or better yet those players who are still thinking about heading over to St Anthony's over their town. Let us not forget about those 2020 either.

Great story line.

Really???? So when the St A varsity spanks the Chammy varsity then what. Sorry to inform you but..Nobody cares about the frashman teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is great propaganda for those 2019's who chose St. A's over Chammy or better yet those players who are still thinking about heading over to St Anthony's over their town. Let us not forget about those 2020 either.

Great story line.

Really???? So when the St A varsity spanks the Chammy varsity then what. Sorry to inform you but..Nobody cares about the frashman teams.

You do know this is the 2018 section of BOC and not the high school varsity section don't you? I would think the people who visit this section do care about freshman (2018) teams.

Anyone get an invite to the great state showdown? Some Usa today partnership with 3d they are promoting for this summer?

$200 try out fee and according to the email, only inviting 50 boys per grade for each state...

I think this may be the first year, but any feed back or experience is helpful.

I think you'll get varied opinions on this, but IMO this is a well marketed money grab for 3d. I am sure it will be a well run event, and I say if it makes sense in your son's schedule than it might make sense and then I think it is several hundred buck more to play in the tournament. Seems really expensive to me which is why we have no interest, and quite frankly I am tired of the 3d $$ machine.

I am sure there will be some college coaches there, but this late in the summer if a kid hasn't made an impact by then, then playing one more time probably won't matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you'll get varied opinions on this, but IMO this is a well marketed money grab for 3d. I am sure it will be a well run event, and I say if it makes sense in your son's schedule than it might make sense and then I think it is several hundred buck more to play in the tournament. Seems really expensive to me which is why we have no interest, and quite frankly I am tired of the 3d $$ machine.

I am sure there will be some college coaches there, but this late in the summer if a kid hasn't made an impact by then, then playing one more time probably won't matter.

Have to agree with you. 200$ to try out? And I thought UA was rediculus at $180! Money grab written all over it!

What teams are playing in the U15 National Championships in Richmond Va, July 23 - July 26?

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone get an invite to the great state showdown? Some Usa today partnership with 3d they are promoting for this summer?

$200 try out fee and according to the email, only inviting 50 boys per grade for each state...

I think this may be the first year, but any feed back or experience is helpful.

It is a first, doesn't state only inviting 50 players, the letter states "Congratulations! You have been identified as one of the 50 best players in New [lacrosse]." Does not state anywhere that only 50 players will be invited. Personally, if only 50 players were invited, I would jump at the chance since they probably work with both HS and club coach to identify if the player is truly talented. Yes, we got the letter.

awesome!!! can't wait to hear the first jackass tell me that his kid was named top 50 in our state....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone get an invite to the great state showdown? Some Usa today partnership with 3d they are promoting for this summer?

$200 try out fee and according to the email, only inviting 50 boys per grade for each state...

I think this may be the first year, but any feed back or experience is helpful.

It is a first, doesn't state only inviting 50 players, the letter states "Congratulations! You have been identified as one of the 50 best players in New [lacrosse]." Does not state anywhere that only 50 players will be invited. Personally, if only 50 players were invited, I would jump at the chance since they probably work with both HS and club coach to identify if the player is truly talented. Yes, we got the letter.

The website seemed pretty clear on this point to me...call me what you like, but we accepted the invite. If more than 50 players in this age are at the try-out, I am getting my $200 back...

Club coach said to his knowledge, only 50 boys will be present.

From Web--
Featuring a state- and grade-based format and an invitational tryout process, the Great State Showdown will bring together the most skilled and dedicated players in each of the competing states. Through extensive research and communication with high school and club coaches across the country, the 50 most promising players, including you, in the 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 graduating classes have been identified and invited to tryout for the chance to represent their respective state.

if its only 50 players in the state eligible almost half make the team. pretty good odds. go for it.

Anyone familiar with "Trilogy High School Aces", just got an invite, looks interesting but haven't heard of this before.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone familiar with "Trilogy High School Aces", just got an invite, looks interesting but haven't heard of this before.

from what I remember with my older son it is for the better students with top D1 and D3 schools in attendance

My son received an invitation today it sounds like they are inviting more then 50 players but are closing it at 50 total and my close certain positions first.it states that if the position is filled you can not register and in the e-mail back from them they confirmed 50 kids per grade for tryout of one team - will be interesting.

interesting ? how?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

interesting ? how?

first year tourney - will top players come out on LI, will top players come out in other regions? will it be like Brine and a lot of fun but not a lot of competition or recruiting, will it be closer to UA for younger kids - should be interesting to see how it plays out

3d usually does a really good job of getting coaches to sit on fields and watch kids play. However, at this point in the summer college coaches are pretty burned out of sitting on lawn chairs and roasting in the sun. If done right this could turn out to be a great event. I just question where it falls in the summer line up and the cost seems way off

Important summer for this age group. Would love to hear thoughts on the best individual showcases in terms of college coaches - Brine which conflicts with Nike Blue Chip? Under Armour? What about this new one that looks like a combined 91/Express event - Run With the Best? Others?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Important summer for this age group. Would love to hear thoughts on the best individual showcases in terms of college coaches - Brine which conflicts with Nike Blue Chip? Under Armour? What about this new one that looks like a combined 91/Express event - Run With the Best? Others?

Run with the Best is another money grab like everything that 91 touches. Way over priced for a 1 day showcase.

Maverick
Jake reed
Adrenaline

In that order. Brine is fun, not a recruiting tool.

I'm trying to decide between fab frosh and Maverick select out of New Jersey for the u15 national championship in va. Which one is better for recruiting? I want exposure this summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm trying to decide between fab frosh and Maverick select out of New Jersey for the u15 national championship in va. Which one is better for recruiting? I want exposure this summer

Are you on a team that is going to u 15 in VA?

We were at the U15 last year in Denver. We did see the DU and Air Force coaches at some of the games since it was in their backyard, but that was about it. I imagine since it is back on the East Coast that there is a chance that more coaches might be there.

Chamindade freshmen swept St. A's winning 3rd game 12-5 yesterday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Chamindade freshmen swept St. A's winning 3rd game 12-5 yesterday.

SO now that the freshmen lacrosse season is coming to an end. Which players that didn't see the field will leave Chaminade?

Black Card rosters and schedule released. Everyone gets 4 games and it's a mix or 2018 and 2017 per team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Black Card rosters and schedule released. Everyone gets 4 games and it's a mix or 2018 and 2017 per team.

Where can we find those rosters?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Black Card rosters and schedule released. Everyone gets 4 games and it's a mix or 2018 and 2017 per team.

Where can we find those rosters?

Posted on their site.

No Chaminade kids are there because it is right in the middle of the Comps. A shame it was scheduled so early in the summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Black Card rosters and schedule released. Everyone gets 4 games and it's a mix or 2018 and 2017 per team.

Last year, it was year specific.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No Chaminade kids are there because it is right in the middle of the Comps. A shame it was scheduled so early in the summer.

Last year, it was held June 14-15.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Black Card rosters and schedule released. Everyone gets 4 games and it's a mix or 2018 and 2017 per team.

Last year, it was year specific.

Surprised when I saw the mix, but the feedback I got was this is a solid individual and team event. 4 games is a lot of lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Black Card rosters and schedule released. Everyone gets 4 games and it's a mix or 2018 and 2017 per team.

It's a mix because of low turnout. Mostly suckers there this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Black Card rosters and schedule released. Everyone gets 4 games and it's a mix or 2018 and 2017 per team.

It's a mix because of low turnout. Mostly suckers there this year.

last year 2014
2016 6 teams
2017 6 teams
equals 12 teams

this year 2015
12 teams with combo grades

number is the same

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No Chaminade kids are there because it is right in the middle of the Comps. A shame it was scheduled so early in the summer.

Don't you worry. Your head coach and Express Directors made suet there boys were covered having their own showcase. Leaving no spots fir anyone else. have they also have them all placed in BRINE, 175, NXT,etc.

Just like the holdback goalie who should have placed this spring, he has his spots held in the 2019 slots.

Don't you worry about Comps interfering with lacrosse.

Any estimate on how many freshman registered varsity points this season?

Does anyone have experience with sending son to TOP 205 in Md?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone have experience with sending son to TOP 205 in Md?

It's more like top 605... Supposedly getting better with the new guys involved with it. Time will tell. At one point in time it was a premier event, not so much anymore.

3d pulled the plug on their Great State event. Does this mean that we have hit saturation when the 3d money machine can't pull off a tournament?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3d pulled the plug on their Great State event. Does this mean that we have hit saturation when the 3d money machine can't pull off a tournament?

It just means that all of the 91 & Express players were already commuted to other tournaments ie; Lake Placid. Now that Jimmy & Mike know about this, they will plan accordingly.

Signed my 2018 Freshman up for Under Armour tryout.
Got a lot of time on Varsity in MIAA.

He is not committed.

Any thoughts?
Thank you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Signed my 2018 Freshman up for Under Armour tryout.
Got a lot of time on Varsity in MIAA.

He is not committed.

Any thoughts?
Thank you

Can't speak for MD, but an uncommitted 2018 will have almost no shot of making the team unless he is lights out and politically backed... Even the its a long shot.

fl$ and Run with the Best Showcases are this Saturday. The Run with the Best has posted its schedule, teams, and college coaches. Looks good. Some decent colleges listed. Sure more will go due to same venue as LI Championship. Any info on the fl$ Showcase?

the NYS regents are at same time as the Chaminade comps...

How were the showcases this weekend? fl$, run with the best, and prep lax? Were they run well? Did coaches attend?

fl$ Showcase was very well organized and run. Coaching excellent. Less selfish play than other showcases. Fields were superb. Talent at 2018 was excellent overall. Best Express and 91 players not there.

I counted about 25 coaches watching the 2016 game in the morning. Best guess is 5-10 coaches at 2018 in the morning. Fewer in the afternoon. Both D1 and D3.

Will sign up again next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How were the showcases this weekend? fl$, run with the best, and prep lax? Were they run well? Did coaches attend?

Prep School showcase was very well attended. Saw many head coaches from a variety of top D1 programs including Ivies. Many other assistant D1 coaches as well. Many games had 30-40 coaches on the side lines. There where many D3 coaches as well from top schools.

Run with the best was great. Organized. Beautiful fields. Best players from 91 and Express were there. Good amount of college coaches in attendance. Pietramala from Hopkins was there all day

Overall Run With the Best was a well run and organized event. Good amount of College Coaches on each field. Stony Brook was a great place to have the event especially with the LI Championship games being played that day. Will do again. Great job by both Express and 91.

Was Run with the Best just Express and 91 boys? Heard there was not a big response because of the cost and most of their better players are already committed - so it was opened to other clubs and was mostly lower level 91 and express teams who had their players attend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was Run with the Best just Express and 91 boys? Heard there was not a big response because of the cost and most of their better players are already committed - so it was opened to other clubs and was mostly lower level 91 and express teams who had their players attend.

It was originally advertised as only 91 and express players allowed but as is ALWAYS the case when Team 91/ Dynamic Sports Marketing is involved if you have a check you are welcome. Some of the teams had 3 goalies which is a disgrace in a showcase that cost double most other showcases!!!

They had an estimated 250 boys at 375 a pop for just a few hours of play. My calaculator figured a $95,000 day. And the list of coaches were not that clear. It did not say which coaches were in attendance it just said which coaches have been at their events.

Does anybody know a web site that actually evaluates tournaments besides the companies who evaluate their own tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was Run with the Best just Express and 91 boys? Heard there was not a big response because of the cost and most of their better players are already committed - so it was opened to other clubs and was mostly lower level 91 and express teams who had their players attend.

It was originally advertised as only 91 and express players allowed but as is ALWAYS the case when Team 91/ Dynamic Sports Marketing is involved if you have a check you are welcome. Some of the teams had 3 goalies which is a disgrace in a showcase that cost double most other showcases!!!

My son was at the event and I have to say it was well run and there was a lot of talent there. It was for players that were not committed so this would eliminate the committed players. It was advertised as a 91 and Express event with other teams being invited. Our club coach offered us a spot and we don't play with either 91 or Express when the event was announced. There were plenty of great players at the showcase. There were players from 91, Express, Express North, Outlaws, Igloo, Empire, and 3D. Not a bad representation of teams. There would be no players from fl$ because they were having their showcase that day also.

In regards to the 3 goalies I am looking at the list and no where do I see on the 4 teams 3 goalies. I do know two goalies didn't show so there were 3 teams (1,2,and 4) with just one in the 2018 age group.

There were a good amount of college coaches and at least 5 or 6 watching every game that was played. They did rotate fields as to have an opportunity to watch different players and teams. My son was very happy and received great feedback. He received invites to 5 prospect days from schools that were in attendance. I am sure there will be those who say everyone received those invites. Well that's not the case because we had numerous friends attend and they received different prospect day invites than he did. Based on the information given during recruiting speeches the invite to the prospect day is the first step in a coach contacting a player. Once contact is established via a live conversation then you will see if they are really interested.

anyone doing the LI SHowcase this week? Any thoughts on it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was Run with the Best just Express and 91 boys? Heard there was not a big response because of the cost and most of their better players are already committed - so it was opened to other clubs and was mostly lower level 91 and express teams who had their players attend.

It was originally advertised as only 91 and express players allowed but as is ALWAYS the case when Team 91/ Dynamic Sports Marketing is involved if you have a check you are welcome. Some of the teams had 3 goalies which is a disgrace in a showcase that cost double most other showcases!!!

My son was at the event and I have to say it was well run and there was a lot of talent there. It was for players that were not committed so this would eliminate the committed players. It was advertised as a 91 and Express event with other teams being invited. Our club coach offered us a spot and we don't play with either 91 or Express when the event was announced. There were plenty of great players at the showcase. There were players from 91, Express, Express North, Outlaws, Igloo, Empire, and 3D. Not a bad representation of teams. There would be no players from fl$ because they were having their showcase that day also.

In regards to the 3 goalies I am looking at the list and no where do I see on the 4 teams 3 goalies. I do know two goalies didn't show so there were 3 teams (1,2,and 4) with just one in the 2018 age group.

There were a good amount of college coaches and at least 5 or 6 watching every game that was played. They did rotate fields as to have an opportunity to watch different players and teams. My son was very happy and received great feedback. He received invites to 5 prospect days from schools that were in attendance. I am sure there will be those who say everyone received those invites. Well that's not the case because we had numerous friends attend and they received different prospect day invites than he did. Based on the information given during recruiting speeches the invite to the prospect day is the first step in a coach contacting a player. Once contact is established via a live conversation then you will see if they are really interested.

The 3 goalies per team were on the 2017 teams. Same event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was Run with the Best just Express and 91 boys? Heard there was not a big response because of the cost and most of their better players are already committed - so it was opened to other clubs and was mostly lower level 91 and express teams who had their players attend.

It was originally advertised as only 91 and express players allowed but as is ALWAYS the case when Team 91/ Dynamic Sports Marketing is involved if you have a check you are welcome. Some of the teams had 3 goalies which is a disgrace in a showcase that cost double most other showcases!!!

My son was at the event and I have to say it was well run and there was a lot of talent there. It was for players that were not committed so this would eliminate the committed players. It was advertised as a 91 and Express event with other teams being invited. Our club coach offered us a spot and we don't play with either 91 or Express when the event was announced. There were plenty of great players at the showcase. There were players from 91, Express, Express North, Outlaws, Igloo, Empire, and 3D. Not a bad representation of teams. There would be no players from fl$ because they were having their showcase that day also.

In regards to the 3 goalies I am looking at the list and no where do I see on the 4 teams 3 goalies. I do know two goalies didn't show so there were 3 teams (1,2,and 4) with just one in the 2018 age group.

There were a good amount of college coaches and at least 5 or 6 watching every game that was played. They did rotate fields as to have an opportunity to watch different players and teams. My son was very happy and received great feedback. He received invites to 5 prospect days from schools that were in attendance. I am sure there will be those who say everyone received those invites. Well that's not the case because we had numerous friends attend and they received different prospect day invites than he did. Based on the information given during recruiting speeches the invite to the prospect day is the first step in a coach contacting a player. Once contact is established via a live conversation then you will see if they are really interested.

The 3 goalies per team were on the 2017 teams. Same event.

This is the 2018 forum.

Yes doing showcase if the rain ever stops and if it stops getting cancelled. Lots of kids attend but it is a great experience and lets you know where you stand for your year.

Just a question from someone who didn't attend the Run with the Best. Our friend said everyone got emails which they should for that amount of money but were there any individual emails. They only received threads for prospect days. Isn't it just less expensive to just contact the schools you are interested in and find out the dates of their prospects camps yourself. Anyone can attend a prospect day if they show interest in the school. When you contact a school directly you can also get information on hs grades and sat scores needed to actually get into your school of choice. And not to be a wiseass - just trying to find information - did any of the coaches say how many spots/scholarships are still available for the different age groups for the colleges that attended and were watching the boys. My son received thread emails from several schools from another tournament he attended who were upfront and honest about open spots for his age group before we signed up for the prospect days and some did not offer any information. It was nice to see some honesty out there and not just someone grabbing for my wallet.

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was Run with the Best just Express and 91 boys? Heard there was not a big response because of the cost and most of their better players are already committed - so it was opened to other clubs and was mostly lower level 91 and express teams who had their players attend.

It was originally advertised as only 91 and express players allowed but as is ALWAYS the case when Team 91/ Dynamic Sports Marketing is involved if you have a check you are welcome. Some of the teams had 3 goalies which is a disgrace in a showcase that cost double most other showcases!!!

My son was at the event and I have to say it was well run and there was a lot of talent there. It was for players that were not committed so this would eliminate the committed players. It was advertised as a 91 and Express event with other teams being invited. Our club coach offered us a spot and we don't play with either 91 or Express when the event was announced. There were plenty of great players at the showcase. There were players from 91, Express, Express North, Outlaws, Igloo, Empire, and 3D. Not a bad representation of teams. There would be no players from fl$ because they were having their showcase that day also.

In regards to the 3 goalies I am looking at the list and no where do I see on the 4 teams 3 goalies. I do know two goalies didn't show so there were 3 teams (1,2,and 4) with just one in the 2018 age group.

There were a good amount of college coaches and at least 5 or 6 watching every game that was played. They did rotate fields as to have an opportunity to watch different players and teams. My son was very happy and received great feedback. He received invites to 5 prospect days from schools that were in attendance. I am sure there will be those who say everyone received those invites. Well that's not the case because we had numerous friends attend and they received different prospect day invites than he did. Based on the information given during recruiting speeches the invite to the prospect day is the first step in a coach contacting a player. Once contact is established via a live conversation then you will see if they are really interested.

The 3 goalies per team were on the 2017 teams. Same event.

This is the 2018 forum.

Yes but we were discussing the event and how Dynamic will never turn down a check. If the 2018 had to many goalies willing to pay they would have had 3 per team also.

assuming you meant you are doing the LI Showcase. My son is doing it as well. Any idea how many kids they have per age and how many games are played during the rounds?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes doing showcase if the rain ever stops and if it stops getting cancelled. Lots of kids attend but it is a great experience and lets you know where you stand for your year.

Just a question from someone who didn't attend the Run with the Best. Our friend said everyone got emails which they should for that amount of money but were there any individual emails. They only received threads for prospect days. Isn't it just less expensive to just contact the schools you are interested in and find out the dates of their prospects camps yourself. Anyone can attend a prospect day if they show interest in the school. When you contact a school directly you can also get information on hs grades and sat scores needed to actually get into your school of choice. And not to be a wiseass - just trying to find information - did any of the coaches say how many spots/scholarships are still available for the different age groups for the colleges that attended and were watching the boys. My son received thread emails from several schools from another tournament he attended who were upfront and honest about open spots for his age group before we signed up for the prospect days and some did not offer any information. It was nice to see some honesty out there and not just someone grabbing for my wallet.

Great event. Not everyone received emails to prospect days. Its a fact. Had a decent amount of friends (not acquaintances) attend event. Some received emails others did not. Those who did, did not receive emails from the same schools that my son did. Coaches at recruiting meeting specifically spoke about dates as to when they can actively contact a player and when they can not. They both said first step they can initiate is inviting to their prospect day. Once that is initiated then the process can move forward. The fact that coaches who were at the event sent out prospect day info to some players and not all in my book shows interest. It was not a cattle call of invites. Did not receive 25 invites but 5 to 6 for decent programs. In regards to the number of players they are looking for I think that this wouldn't have been the proper venue for that. The other thing is coaches are always looking for the best players to fill their roster. Yes this was a pay to attend event but it was well run and worth it in my book.

I heard it was well run like most of their events but not worth the money. And people are still receiving thread prospect day emails as of this afternoon and they are the same emails as less expensive showcases - but at the end of the day it all goes by how your son liked it. I have been to showcases and listened to College coaches talk about their program and how much the average lacrosse player receives for lacrosse and academics and what years in which they were looking. They set expectations for the players and their parents which is appreciated. Either way I hope your son does well.

Can anyone explain the format of the LI showcase? How many games and who evaluates the players.

LI showcase tryouts can anyone share previous experience?thoughts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes doing showcase if the rain ever stops and if it stops getting cancelled. Lots of kids attend but it is a great experience and lets you know where you stand for your year.

Just a question from someone who didn't attend the Run with the Best. Our friend said everyone got emails which they should for that amount of money but were there any individual emails. They only received threads for prospect days. Isn't it just less expensive to just contact the schools you are interested in and find out the dates of their prospects camps yourself. Anyone can attend a prospect day if they show interest in the school. When you contact a school directly you can also get information on hs grades and sat scores needed to actually get into your school of choice. And not to be a wiseass - just trying to find information - did any of the coaches say how many spots/scholarships are still available for the different age groups for the colleges that attended and were watching the boys. My son received thread emails from several schools from another tournament he attended who were upfront and honest about open spots for his age group before we signed up for the prospect days and some did not offer any information. It was nice to see some honesty out there and not just someone grabbing for my wallet.

Great event. Not everyone received emails to prospect days. Its a fact. Had a decent amount of friends (not acquaintances) attend event. Some received emails others did not. Those who did, did not receive emails from the same schools that my son did. Coaches at recruiting meeting specifically spoke about dates as to when they can actively contact a player and when they can not. They both said first step they can initiate is inviting to their prospect day. Once that is initiated then the process can move forward. The fact that coaches who were at the event sent out prospect day info to some players and not all in my book shows interest. It was not a cattle call of invites. Did not receive 25 invites but 5 to 6 for decent programs. In regards to the number of players they are looking for I think that this wouldn't have been the proper venue for that. The other thing is coaches are always looking for the best players to fill their roster. Yes this was a pay to attend event but it was well run and worth it in my book.

I think there are different levels of interest. Invite to Prospect day is a start. A personal email stating "we saw you play an are interested in you, you should come to our camp" is the next level. After that if the coach says, I can't call you but please call me... And then when a coach calls your HS coach and says we like this kid he needs to come to our camp is yet another level of interest. That being said, if you like the school and there's any level of interest from that school, I think you have to continue to pursue it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI showcase tryouts can anyone share previous experience?thoughts?

Do committed boys go to this or not?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes doing showcase if the rain ever stops and if it stops getting cancelled. Lots of kids attend but it is a great experience and lets you know where you stand for your year.

Just a question from someone who didn't attend the Run with the Best. Our friend said everyone got emails which they should for that amount of money but were there any individual emails. They only received threads for prospect days. Isn't it just less expensive to just contact the schools you are interested in and find out the dates of their prospects camps yourself. Anyone can attend a prospect day if they show interest in the school. When you contact a school directly you can also get information on hs grades and sat scores needed to actually get into your school of choice. And not to be a wiseass - just trying to find information - did any of the coaches say how many spots/scholarships are still available for the different age groups for the colleges that attended and were watching the boys. My son received thread emails from several schools from another tournament he attended who were upfront and honest about open spots for his age group before we signed up for the prospect days and some did not offer any information. It was nice to see some honesty out there and not just someone grabbing for my wallet.

Great event. Not everyone received emails to prospect days. Its a fact. Had a decent amount of friends (not acquaintances) attend event. Some received emails others did not. Those who did, did not receive emails from the same schools that my son did. Coaches at recruiting meeting specifically spoke about dates as to when they can actively contact a player and when they can not. They both said first step they can initiate is inviting to their prospect day. Once that is initiated then the process can move forward. The fact that coaches who were at the event sent out prospect day info to some players and not all in my book shows interest. It was not a cattle call of invites. Did not receive 25 invites but 5 to 6 for decent programs. In regards to the number of players they are looking for I think that this wouldn't have been the proper venue for that. The other thing is coaches are always looking for the best players to fill their roster. Yes this was a pay to attend event but it was well run and worth it in my book.

I think there are different levels of interest. Invite to Prospect day is a start. A personal email stating "we saw you play an are interested in you, you should come to our camp" is the next level. After that if the coach says, I can't call you but please call me... And then when a coach calls your HS coach and says we like this kid he needs to come to our camp is yet another level of interest. That being said, if you like the school and there's any level of interest from that school, I think you have to continue to pursue it.

Mine is committed already so I will share a few thoughts. You are only being recruited when a coach calls your coach and asks you to call him. If that call goes well they will ask you to visit the school.

Prospect days are a good start, but please be clear that prospect days make the coaches money and they want as many kids there as possible. It might make everyone feel good to get the prospect day emails, but the truth is my kid (again already committed) received many of them and some, said we saw you play at xxx, when he wasn't even at xxx event.

Best way in my experience-

understand your kids level and look for schools that fit his play level and academic level. If your kid is a great player but having B and C grades, probably wouldn't waste time on Ivy. SO just be realistic about both.

Then email those coaches in advance of the events you attend and then follow up with an email after those events. Give your club coaches a heads up on the schools you want, if they are interested, they will call. If they are not, you have your answer.

It is extremely frustrating going to these events and then hoping your kid did well enough to get recognized by some school. You need to be proactive...my two cents, best of luck to all your boys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI showcase tryouts can anyone share previous experience?thoughts?

Do committed boys go to this or not?

Yes they do because until you sign you are a free agent and will be recruited by other schools. Remember a verbal commitment is nothing more than meaningless words.

that is sound advice, unfortunately many of the followers of this blog will not think it applies to their own.

showcase has in the past been pretty well set roster wise. very few will actually get onto team unless h.s. coach gets involved and has a friendly relationship with the organizers. playoff teams used to get automatic bye to second round of tryouts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI showcase tryouts can anyone share previous experience?thoughts?

Do committed boys go to this or not?

It is all up to the kid - teams are picked by HS coaches from each county and it is a great recruiting event but the HS coaches want to win so all teams will have plenty of committed players o it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI showcase tryouts can anyone share previous experience?thoughts?

Do committed boys go to this or not?

I know a player in suffolk that is committed and last year he didn't sign up for this event after starting the 2 previous years in the game. He told his parents that he wanted to give an opportunity to players that were not yet committed like he already was. After the first round of try outs he received a call at his house asking why he wasn't at the try outs and to be at the next round because he is a starter in the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes doing showcase if the rain ever stops and if it stops getting cancelled. Lots of kids attend but it is a great experience and lets you know where you stand for your year.

Just a question from someone who didn't attend the Run with the Best. Our friend said everyone got emails which they should for that amount of money but were there any individual emails. They only received threads for prospect days. Isn't it just less expensive to just contact the schools you are interested in and find out the dates of their prospects camps yourself. Anyone can attend a prospect day if they show interest in the school. When you contact a school directly you can also get information on hs grades and sat scores needed to actually get into your school of choice. And not to be a wiseass - just trying to find information - did any of the coaches say how many spots/scholarships are still available for the different age groups for the colleges that attended and were watching the boys. My son received thread emails from several schools from another tournament he attended who were upfront and honest about open spots for his age group before we signed up for the prospect days and some did not offer any information. It was nice to see some honesty out there and not just someone grabbing for my wallet.

Great event. Not everyone received emails to prospect days. Its a fact. Had a decent amount of friends (not acquaintances) attend event. Some received emails others did not. Those who did, did not receive emails from the same schools that my son did. Coaches at recruiting meeting specifically spoke about dates as to when they can actively contact a player and when they can not. They both said first step they can initiate is inviting to their prospect day. Once that is initiated then the process can move forward. The fact that coaches who were at the event sent out prospect day info to some players and not all in my book shows interest. It was not a cattle call of invites. Did not receive 25 invites but 5 to 6 for decent programs. In regards to the number of players they are looking for I think that this wouldn't have been the proper venue for that. The other thing is coaches are always looking for the best players to fill their roster. Yes this was a pay to attend event but it was well run and worth it in my book.

I think there are different levels of interest. Invite to Prospect day is a start. A personal email stating "we saw you play an are interested in you, you should come to our camp" is the next level. After that if the coach says, I can't call you but please call me... And then when a coach calls your HS coach and says we like this kid he needs to come to our camp is yet another level of interest. That being said, if you like the school and there's any level of interest from that school, I think you have to continue to pursue it.

Mine is committed already so I will share a few thoughts. You are only being recruited when a coach calls your coach and asks you to call him. If that call goes well they will ask you to visit the school.

Prospect days are a good start, but please be clear that prospect days make the coaches money and they want as many kids there as possible. It might make everyone feel good to get the prospect day emails, but the truth is my kid (again already committed) received many of them and some, said we saw you play at xxx, when he wasn't even at xxx event.

Best way in my experience-

understand your kids level and look for schools that fit his play level and academic level. If your kid is a great player but having B and C grades, probably wouldn't waste time on Ivy. SO just be realistic about both.

Then email those coaches in advance of the events you attend and then follow up with an email after those events. Give your club coaches a heads up on the schools you want, if they are interested, they will call. If they are not, you have your answer.

It is extremely frustrating going to these events and then hoping your kid did well enough to get recognized by some school. You need to be proactive...my two cents, best of luck to all your boys.

Good advice all the way around.

Prospect days can be great or a waste of time, but depending on schedule they can also be a great way to get some good coaching so the value really depends on your son's overall situation.

Some schools actually do use them as serious evaluation tools, and as we all know you can't always showcase your skills in a tournament based upon the flow of the games, did the right coach happen to be watching at the right time, etc.

That being said you are absolutely correct, you will know when a school is interested . They will contact either your club coach or high school coach. Our son just did the Prep School Showcase on Sunday and on Tuesday we had an email from his club coach with feedback from several schools.

The other thing with prospect days is that your schedule and the schools might not match up which is true with our son this summer so he is doing two prospect days sort of on a flyer because he wants to be seriously considered by those two schools, and since he is being looked at by 6+ right now we have at least some sort of validation that we are not out to lunch in regards to his current ability to play in college.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How were the showcases this weekend? fl$, run with the best, and prep lax? Were they run well? Did coaches attend?

Prep School showcase was very well attended. Saw many head coaches from a variety of top D1 programs including Ivies. Many other assistant D1 coaches as well. Many games had 30-40 coaches on the side lines. There where many D3 coaches as well from top schools.

Prep School Lacrosse Showcase was disrupted a bit with the weather, but they still got in all of the games. There were a lot of coaches there and as you said in some cases 30-40 at a time watching games.

This is a really good event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes doing showcase if the rain ever stops and if it stops getting cancelled. Lots of kids attend but it is a great experience and lets you know where you stand for your year.

Just a question from someone who didn't attend the Run with the Best. Our friend said everyone got emails which they should for that amount of money but were there any individual emails. They only received threads for prospect days. Isn't it just less expensive to just contact the schools you are interested in and find out the dates of their prospects camps yourself. Anyone can attend a prospect day if they show interest in the school. When you contact a school directly you can also get information on hs grades and sat scores needed to actually get into your school of choice. And not to be a wiseass - just trying to find information - did any of the coaches say how many spots/scholarships are still available for the different age groups for the colleges that attended and were watching the boys. My son received thread emails from several schools from another tournament he attended who were upfront and honest about open spots for his age group before we signed up for the prospect days and some did not offer any information. It was nice to see some honesty out there and not just someone grabbing for my wallet.

Great event. Not everyone received emails to prospect days. Its a fact. Had a decent amount of friends (not acquaintances) attend event. Some received emails others did not. Those who did, did not receive emails from the same schools that my son did. Coaches at recruiting meeting specifically spoke about dates as to when they can actively contact a player and when they can not. They both said first step they can initiate is inviting to their prospect day. Once that is initiated then the process can move forward. The fact that coaches who were at the event sent out prospect day info to some players and not all in my book shows interest. It was not a cattle call of invites. Did not receive 25 invites but 5 to 6 for decent programs. In regards to the number of players they are looking for I think that this wouldn't have been the proper venue for that. The other thing is coaches are always looking for the best players to fill their roster. Yes this was a pay to attend event but it was well run and worth it in my book.

I think there are different levels of interest. Invite to Prospect day is a start. A personal email stating "we saw you play an are interested in you, you should come to our camp" is the next level. After that if the coach says, I can't call you but please call me... And then when a coach calls your HS coach and says we like this kid he needs to come to our camp is yet another level of interest. That being said, if you like the school and there's any level of interest from that school, I think you have to continue to pursue it.

Mine is committed already so I will share a few thoughts. You are only being recruited when a coach calls your coach and asks you to call him. If that call goes well they will ask you to visit the school.

Prospect days are a good start, but please be clear that prospect days make the coaches money and they want as many kids there as possible. It might make everyone feel good to get the prospect day emails, but the truth is my kid (again already committed) received many of them and some, said we saw you play at xxx, when he wasn't even at xxx event.

Best way in my experience-

understand your kids level and look for schools that fit his play level and academic level. If your kid is a great player but having B and C grades, probably wouldn't waste time on Ivy. SO just be realistic about both.

Then email those coaches in advance of the events you attend and then follow up with an email after those events. Give your club coaches a heads up on the schools you want, if they are interested, they will call. If they are not, you have your answer.

It is extremely frustrating going to these events and then hoping your kid did well enough to get recognized by some school. You need to be proactive...my two cents, best of luck to all your boys.

I agree 100%. As for the event and the interest in my son it was after a coach/coaches approached him after games and spoke to him. He played very well and it was commented on by a number of people. The prospect days yes of course make money for the schools but its the first contact and where it goes from there. Asking for transcripts and coach information are a good sign of true interest. We have also received those emails we saw you play at such and such event and he wasn't even there. All I am trying to say is the event was good and my son did receive some decent prospect day invites after the event. I know many players have yet to receive any. Assess how your kid did and go from there. Next step hopefully will be contact with travel coach and high school coach. Its a start.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes doing showcase if the rain ever stops and if it stops getting cancelled. Lots of kids attend but it is a great experience and lets you know where you stand for your year.

Just a question from someone who didn't attend the Run with the Best. Our friend said everyone got emails which they should for that amount of money but were there any individual emails. They only received threads for prospect days. Isn't it just less expensive to just contact the schools you are interested in and find out the dates of their prospects camps yourself. Anyone can attend a prospect day if they show interest in the school. When you contact a school directly you can also get information on hs grades and sat scores needed to actually get into your school of choice. And not to be a wiseass - just trying to find information - did any of the coaches say how many spots/scholarships are still available for the different age groups for the colleges that attended and were watching the boys. My son received thread emails from several schools from another tournament he attended who were upfront and honest about open spots for his age group before we signed up for the prospect days and some did not offer any information. It was nice to see some honesty out there and not just someone grabbing for my wallet.

Great event. Not everyone received emails to prospect days. Its a fact. Had a decent amount of friends (not acquaintances) attend event. Some received emails others did not. Those who did, did not receive emails from the same schools that my son did. Coaches at recruiting meeting specifically spoke about dates as to when they can actively contact a player and when they can not. They both said first step they can initiate is inviting to their prospect day. Once that is initiated then the process can move forward. The fact that coaches who were at the event sent out prospect day info to some players and not all in my book shows interest. It was not a cattle call of invites. Did not receive 25 invites but 5 to 6 for decent programs. In regards to the number of players they are looking for I think that this wouldn't have been the proper venue for that. The other thing is coaches are always looking for the best players to fill their roster. Yes this was a pay to attend event but it was well run and worth it in my book.

I think there are different levels of interest. Invite to Prospect day is a start. A personal email stating "we saw you play an are interested in you, you should come to our camp" is the next level. After that if the coach says, I can't call you but please call me... And then when a coach calls your HS coach and says we like this kid he needs to come to our camp is yet another level of interest. That being said, if you like the school and there's any level of interest from that school, I think you have to continue to pursue it.

Mine is committed already so I will share a few thoughts. You are only being recruited when a coach calls your coach and asks you to call him. If that call goes well they will ask you to visit the school.

Prospect days are a good start, but please be clear that prospect days make the coaches money and they want as many kids there as possible. It might make everyone feel good to get the prospect day emails, but the truth is my kid (again already committed) received many of them and some, said we saw you play at xxx, when he wasn't even at xxx event.

Best way in my experience-

understand your kids level and look for schools that fit his play level and academic level. If your kid is a great player but having B and C grades, probably wouldn't waste time on Ivy. SO just be realistic about both.

Then email those coaches in advance of the events you attend and then follow up with an email after those events. Give your club coaches a heads up on the schools you want, if they are interested, they will call. If they are not, you have your answer.

It is extremely frustrating going to these events and then hoping your kid did well enough to get recognized by some school. You need to be proactive...my two cents, best of luck to all your boys.

Good advice all the way around.

Prospect days can be great or a waste of time, but depending on schedule they can also be a great way to get some good coaching so the value really depends on your son's overall situation.

Some schools actually do use them as serious evaluation tools, and as we all know you can't always showcase your skills in a tournament based upon the flow of the games, did the right coach happen to be watching at the right time, etc.

That being said you are absolutely correct, you will know when a school is interested . They will contact either your club coach or high school coach. Our son just did the Prep School Showcase on Sunday and on Tuesday we had an email from his club coach with feedback from several schools.

The other thing with prospect days is that your schedule and the schools might not match up which is true with our son this summer so he is doing two prospect days sort of on a flyer because he wants to be seriously considered by those two schools, and since he is being looked at by 6+ right now we have at least some sort of validation that we are not out to lunch in regards to his current ability to play in college.

I agree, if top schools are calling your son's coach and expressing interest, you're heading in the right direction. Without question, it is validation on what level your son can play at. They aren't calling your son's coach for therapy, they're doing their job.

Platinum cup schedule is out.. looks like it is going to be a great event. Express Team 1 play 91Extreme in their first round.

Then.. Express Team 1 vs..
Dukes
Laxachusetts

Then.. 91Extreme vs..
Laxachusetts
Dukes

... this is only the play in rounds for placement for Sunday, top 8 make it to the playoffs, the remaining go to the Challenge Match.

12 top 2018 teams entered:
LI Express North
Crabs
Mesa Fresh
WCS
Madlax
Leading Edge
Prime Time
HHH
Dukes
Laxachusetts
LI Express
Team 91 Extreme

What is difference between HHH and Dukes? I always thought they were the same, but listed here as separate squads. A lot of the commits are often listed as having played for "Dukes HHH".

Are there any independent showcases for boys like their are for girls?

1st round of the LI SHowcase and I have to say, it seemed like way to many kids to make honest, realistic determinations and cuts after only all kids playing 2 25 minute games. They really should have limited the number of players. My son is a goalie and he seemed to be one of roughly 14=16 goalies there. Each team had 2-3 goalies minimum so minimal playing time and no chance to get into any rhythm before being pulled out for the next kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1st round of the LI SHowcase and I have to say, it seemed like way to many kids to make honest, realistic determinations and cuts after only all kids playing 2 25 minute games. They really should have limited the number of players. My son is a goalie and he seemed to be one of roughly 14=16 goalies there. Each team had 2-3 goalies minimum so minimal playing time and no chance to get into any rhythm before being pulled out for the next kid.

Our team only had two poles... So every time the other team had the ball they scored. Great for our goalies. On a whole, I would have to say that that was the biggest waste of time my son has ever been a part of. The grass was 6 inches high!!! There were barely any lines on the fields. No balls on end line. Refs calling stupid procedural penalties. Having been through this before, it's clear that the picking of the team will have little to do with yesterdays cluster. That was just another money grab, somebody walked away with a nice payday. From the games I saw, no one was really a superstar. So it will all be about reputation, connection and current committed status.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1st round of the LI SHowcase and I have to say, it seemed like way to many kids to make honest, realistic determinations and cuts after only all kids playing 2 25 minute games. They really should have limited the number of players. My son is a goalie and he seemed to be one of roughly 14=16 goalies there. Each team had 2-3 goalies minimum so minimal playing time and no chance to get into any rhythm before being pulled out for the next kid.

Most of the final 40 players are picked before the tryouts start so no worries.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1st round of the LI SHowcase and I have to say, it seemed like way to many kids to make honest, realistic determinations and cuts after only all kids playing 2 25 minute games. They really should have limited the number of players. My son is a goalie and he seemed to be one of roughly 14=16 goalies there. Each team had 2-3 goalies minimum so minimal playing time and no chance to get into any rhythm before being pulled out for the next kid.

Our team only had two poles... So every time the other team had the ball they scored. Great for our goalies. On a whole, I would have to say that that was the biggest waste of time my son has ever been a part of. The grass was 6 inches high!!! There were barely any lines on the fields. No balls on end line. Refs calling stupid procedural penalties. Having been through this before, it's clear that the picking of the team will have little to do with yesterdays cluster. That was just another money grab, somebody walked away with a nice payday. From the games I saw, no one was really a superstar. So it will all be about reputation, connection and current committed status.

Goalie is the most political of all the positions in the showcase because only 4 make the final 40 and only 2 make the team. Coaches running the event lobby for there own guys.

What is the li showcase?

I thought I was generally aware of most events, mine is going to mav and JR, but I guess I missed this one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the li showcase?

I thought I was generally aware of most events, mine is going to mav and JR, but I guess I missed this one.

Its a showcase game where 20 from Nassau play 20 from Suffolk in front of an insane amount of college coaches at SUNY Farmingdale. There are 2 rounds of tryouts that each get a lot of college coaches attending as well.

the LI showcase should have two teams one for uncommitted players and one for committed players. It gives some kids a chance to show themselves in front of college coaches

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the li showcase?

I thought I was generally aware of most events, mine is going to mav and JR, but I guess I missed this one.

Its a showcase game where 20 from Nassau play 20 from Suffolk in front of an insane amount of college coaches at SUNY Farmingdale. There are 2 rounds of tryouts that each get a lot of college coaches attending as well.

Public school only !!!! sorry Privates !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1st round of the LI SHowcase and I have to say, it seemed like way to many kids to make honest, realistic determinations and cuts after only all kids playing 2 25 minute games. They really should have limited the number of players. My son is a goalie and he seemed to be one of roughly 14=16 goalies there. Each team had 2-3 goalies minimum so minimal playing time and no chance to get into any rhythm before being pulled out for the next kid.

Our team only had two poles... So every time the other team had the ball they scored. Great for our goalies. On a whole, I would have to say that that was the biggest waste of time my son has ever been a part of. The grass was 6 inches high!!! There were barely any lines on the fields. No balls on end line. Refs calling stupid procedural penalties. Having been through this before, it's clear that the picking of the team will have little to do with yesterdays cluster. That was just another money grab, somebody walked away with a nice payday. From the games I saw, no one was really a superstar. So it will all be about reputation, connection and current committed status.

Goalie is the most political of all the positions in the showcase because only 4 make the final 40 and only 2 make the team. Coaches running the event lobby for there own guys.

Who was running Suffolk?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the li showcase?

I thought I was generally aware of most events, mine is going to mav and JR, but I guess I missed this one.

Public School only!

two poles? Hah. My son's first game we only had one, and we had two attackmen playing defense. Ridiculous. Also, I saw a [lacrosse] of a lot of the same helmets playing on the same teams. How fair is that as this was an individual event, not a team event. 4 goalies picked out of 14 or so attending and each goalie getting about 10-15 minutes of total playing time. No way that is a fair sampling. There were no standout goalies because none of them got the chance to play enough to get into any type of flow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the LI showcase should have two teams one for uncommitted players and one for committed players. It gives some kids a chance to show themselves in front of college coaches

That is a great idea!! The only problem is most committed players are still trying to get better offers and enter events as uncommitted. There were a ton of committed players in the showcase last fall at Farmingdale that was for uncommitted only.

LI showcase yesterday 6/4/2015 had some good talent out there. My sons first show case and I have to say he came off the field feeling pretty much content of his performance. Whether he gets a call or not it was a good experience for him and now he knows what to expect. Good luck to all that make the team. Go SUFFOLK!!!

any idea when the contact those who made it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1st round of the LI SHowcase and I have to say, it seemed like way to many kids to make honest, realistic determinations and cuts after only all kids playing 2 25 minute games. They really should have limited the number of players. My son is a goalie and he seemed to be one of roughly 14=16 goalies there. Each team had 2-3 goalies minimum so minimal playing time and no chance to get into any rhythm before being pulled out for the next kid.

Our team only had two poles... So every time the other team had the ball they scored. Great for our goalies. On a whole, I would have to say that that was the biggest waste of time my son has ever been a part of. The grass was 6 inches high!!! There were barely any lines on the fields. No balls on end line. Refs calling stupid procedural penalties. Having been through this before, it's clear that the picking of the team will have little to do with yesterdays cluster. That was just another money grab, somebody walked away with a nice payday. From the games I saw, no one was really a superstar. So it will all be about reputation, connection and current committed status.

Goalie is the most political of all the positions in the showcase because only 4 make the final 40 and only 2 make the team. Coaches running the event lobby for there own guys.

I am the parent of a 2019 goalie. I read this thread to see what is coming down the pike. Upsetting to here this about a showcase that is not club driven. However, I am NOW a believer that the goalie spots are given to the boys that the coaches want. From what I have seen so far of the club showcases, the best goalie of the day has not gotten selected to advance. Whether it be 3d, Brine etc.

I was hoping things would get better when he began playing in HS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

any idea when the contact those who made it?

we got an email today saying congratulations you made it to round two. We attended yesterdays tryouts.

Todays Nassau tryouts were great. Short sweet and to the point. Did my son make the final 40 No, but it was fair and the selection process seemed good. All teams seemed well balanced. There were a few no shows, but it is what it is. He played in 3 games and no team seemed to be lacking any particular position. All teams of the 6 had between 16 to 18 kids. A fair number to get everyone a decent amount of reps. Good luck to the boys who made it to the next round.Go Nassau. AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Todays Nassau tryouts were great. Short sweet and to the point. Did my son make the final 40 No, but it was fair and the selection process seemed good. All teams seemed well balanced. There were a few no shows, but it is what it is. He played in 3 games and no team seemed to be lacking any particular position. All teams of the 6 had between 16 to 18 kids. A fair number to get everyone a decent amount of reps. Good luck to the boys who made it to the next round.Go Nassau. AM

Laying it on a little thick

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Todays Nassau tryouts were great. Short sweet and to the point. Did my son make the final 40 No, but it was fair and the selection process seemed good. All teams seemed well balanced. There were a few no shows, but it is what it is. He played in 3 games and no team seemed to be lacking any particular position. All teams of the 6 had between 16 to 18 kids. A fair number to get everyone a decent amount of reps. Good luck to the boys who made it to the next round.Go Nassau. AM

Laying it on a little thick

Nassau will be smoked by Suffolk, as usual

what amazes me is that there are only 32 kids listed when they said 40 will be asked to the second round. The other grades have 42 kids going to the second round so what is going on????

So let's figure this out there were 32 boys asked back to a second round "top 40" Nassau tryout today. How does that make sense when the other grades asked 42 boys each to their second round.

Really what's going on! They said 40 for the next round and only 32 kids were picked! Is that fair?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really what's going on! They said 40 for the next round and only 32 kids were picked! Is that fair?

The rest of the players weren't at try outs but will be at the final 40.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really what's going on! They said 40 for the next round and only 32 kids were picked! Is that fair?

The rest of the players weren't at try outs but will be at the final 40.

If that's the case then this showcase is a farce just like the rest. Organizers don't you get it people are tired of the no show add-ons. Cheapens your event. Let the kids play. You will be surprised how much these players change in 6 months. Especially with puberty hitting. So should we award American Pharaoh the Triple Crown. Needs to run the race. Same for tryouts. Need to be there to be considered.

Each county wants to win - All is fair in love and war. Don t complain until the final rosater is out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Each county wants to win - All is fair in love and war. Don t complain until the final rosater is out.

Love my child and hate war. All that is asked by the parents who pay for their child to participate in these events is a fair tryout. Not some pre determined money grab. Put the best players on the field that actually tried out. We know this is almost impossible but it would be nice.

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really what's going on! They said 40 for the next round and only 32 kids were picked! Is that fair?

The rest of the players weren't at try outs but will be at the final 40.

If that's the case then this showcase is a farce just like the rest. Organizers don't you get it people are tired of the no show add-ons. Cheapens your event. Let the kids play. You will be surprised how much these players change in 6 months. Especially with puberty hitting. So should we award American Pharaoh the Triple Crown. Needs to run the race. Same for tryouts. Need to be there to be considered.

Like American Phataoh some are no brainers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really what's going on! They said 40 for the next round and only 32 kids were picked! Is that fair?

The rest of the players weren't at try outs but will be at the final 40.

I believe that players that were in the LI Champioship get a pass to the second round - between Manhassett - CSH ad Syosset that could be the eight kids you are lookig for

NEW TOPIC. I Heard A Rumor that Team91 and the Long Island Jesters were going to Join Forces together Has anyone heard the same?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEW TOPIC. I Heard A Rumor that Team91 and the Long Island Jesters were going to Join Forces together Has anyone heard the same?

Where did you hear that rumor? When you started it on here?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEW TOPIC. I Heard A Rumor that Team91 and the Long Island Jesters were going to Join Forces together Has anyone heard the same?

Didn't hear that but if true I doubt it would be joining forces. It would most likely be 91 buying the jesters who are a sinking ship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEW TOPIC. I Heard A Rumor that Team91 and the Long Island Jesters were going to Join Forces together Has anyone heard the same?

.. and last year it was Team 91 and Laxachussetts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEW TOPIC. I Heard A Rumor that Team91 and the Long Island Jesters were going to Join Forces together Has anyone heard the same?

Didn't hear that but if true I doubt it would be joining forces. It would most likely be 91 buying the jesters who are a sinking ship.

Does "most likely" mean that's your "opinion", and not even a rumor? People guessing stuff anonymously is great reading!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEW TOPIC. I Heard A Rumor that Team91 and the Long Island Jesters were going to Join Forces together Has anyone heard the same?

.. and last year it was Team 91 and Laxachussetts.

They did. It's called the National Lacrosse Federation

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEW TOPIC. I Heard A Rumor that Team91 and the Long Island Jesters were going to Join Forces together Has anyone heard the same?

.. and last year it was Team 91 and Laxachussetts.

They did. It's called the National Lacrosse Federation

Wrong, the National Lacrosse Federation consist of 91, Express, Big 4 HHH, Baltimore Crabs, Leading Edge and Laxachusetts. This is not the same as joining forces or merging. Joining forces is what Express did with what is now called Express North.

Heads up to all of you that have kids going. Black Card just realigned all the teams by grad year for Friday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heads up to all of you that have kids going. Black Card just realigned all the teams by grad year for Friday.

How can you do a showcase this Friday? My son has two finals..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heads up to all of you that have kids going. Black Card just realigned all the teams by grad year for Friday.

How can you do a showcase this Friday? My son has two finals..

It was a conflict for a lot. My kid just got lucky with his finals schedule.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heads up to all of you that have kids going. Black Card just realigned all the teams by grad year for Friday.

How can you do a showcase this Friday? My son has two finals..

Lax is more important than finals, and wouldn't his finals be over and then he can go over to the showcase in the afternoon?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heads up to all of you that have kids going. Black Card just realigned all the teams by grad year for Friday.

How can you do a showcase this Friday? My son has two finals..

wasn't there a big push by college coaches to not go to showcases while school was in session,I remember it happening on LI with a showcase on the Wed. before Thanksgiving? Conn. playoffs are still going on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heads up to all of you that have kids going. Black Card just realigned all the teams by grad year for Friday.

How can you do a showcase this Friday? My son has two finals..

wasn't there a big push by college coaches to not go to showcases while school was in session,I remember it happening on LI with a showcase on the Wed. before Thanksgiving? Conn. playoffs are still going on

I found this on a thread from Fall of 2013. It is limited to Sept1-May1. Coaches don't really care if recruiting conflicts with school. They just want to create an illusion they do

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Originally Posted By: IMCLA - Phil Buttafuoco Statement

TO: IMLCA Membership

Members of the IMLCA Division I Legislative Committee have asked me to push hard for coaches to adhere to the IMLCA policy prohibiting coaches from attending mid-week recruiting events, including the below event. A reminder of the policy was distributed again this morning.

The policy states: �During the recruiting segment of the 2012 IMLCA Convention, the IMLCA Division I and Division II membership voted to state that it does not support any non-institutional or non-scholastic events conducted Monday thru Friday from September 1 thru May 1.

The IMLCA membership understands that school coaching staffs are permitted to conduct events Monday thru Friday on their campus provided they do not hire coaches not employed by their school.

This IMLCA position takes effect September 1, 2013.�

Any 2018's make Under Armour Underclass rosters this year?

ay word on showcase rosters?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any 2018's make Under Armour Underclass rosters this year?

Looks like 3 total. 1 each on Upstate, West and Baltimore teams.

Is the Suffolk 2018 Showcase team available?

How did the LI, Westchester/CT teams do at the tournaments this weekend? Big 4, Laxfest and Baltimore Summer Kick-off.

LIE lost to laxachusets again...in two weeks we have had 3 games and lost each,...

I have heard the 2018 Long Island Team is in shambles. Does anyone even know who is on the team. It's not posted anywhere. Most other regions have posted their teams.

How did Express and Express North 2018 do at Big 4 this past weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have heard the 2018 Long Island Team is in shambles. Does anyone even know who is on the team. It's not posted anywhere. Most other regions have posted their teams.

I have not heard that. However, no need (I feel) to do it again.

How did Express and Express North 2018 do at Big 4 this past weekend?

Express beat Sweetlax and 3D on Saturday and joined FCA, Madlax, and Laxachusettes in semis and then lost another tough battle with Laxachusettes on Sunday. Great lacrosse both days.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have heard the 2018 Long Island Team is in shambles. Does anyone even know who is on the team. It's not posted anywhere. Most other regions have posted their teams.

What team are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have heard the 2018 Long Island Team is in shambles. Does anyone even know who is on the team. It's not posted anywhere. Most other regions have posted their teams.

What team are you talking about?

I think terps? Heard 30+ kids showing up for games, kids quitting, top commits not starting, kids not playing in one game all weekend... If not true, please correct me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have heard the 2018 Long Island Team is in shambles. Does anyone even know who is on the team. It's not posted anywhere. Most other regions have posted their teams.

What team are you talking about?

I think terps? Heard 30+ kids showing up for games, kids quitting, top commits not starting, kids not playing in one game all weekend... If not true, please correct me.

Not Terps...Terps have been to adrenaline and big four last two weekends, no drama on the team.

Thanks for your concern.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have heard the 2018 Long Island Team is in shambles. Does anyone even know who is on the team. It's not posted anywhere. Most other regions have posted their teams.

What team are you talking about?

I think terps? Heard 30+ kids showing up for games, kids quitting, top commits not starting, kids not playing in one game all weekend... If not true, please correct me.

You think wrong - just read the initial post referring a roster not being posted while other regions posting their teams - clearly not a reference to Express or any other club team. More likely Brine or another team like that. But thanks using the question to try to stir stuff up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have heard the 2018 Long Island Team is in shambles. Does anyone even know who is on the team. It's not posted anywhere. Most other regions have posted their teams.

What team are you talking about?

I assume Brine. I have heard some of the same ramblings.

If you play a competitive and busy summer schedule...plus made Brine...plus made Jake Reed...I would not be shocked if some kids ranked Brine last on their priority list and dropped it to be fresh for JR. Only shocked other states' Brine programs aren't facing similar issues.

How would you know that if roster is not posted?
Just starting rumors?

Cage:
Can you confirm this? It is a long drive to Virginia if we do not have enough players on 2018 brine team?
Roster still not out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you play a competitive and busy summer schedule...plus made Brine...plus made Jake Reed...I would not be shocked if some kids ranked Brine last on their priority list and dropped it to be fresh for JR. Only shocked other states' Brine programs aren't facing similar issues.

Jake Reed and Brine conflict with one another this year for the 2018s. I do not think it is even possible to do both - at least for 2018. It is for 2019.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How would you know that if roster is not posted?
Just starting rumors?

Actually not just starting rumors. Someone posted earlier in this forum that they heard "Long Island was in Shambles". I have heard from numerous parents that many of the boys selected are choosing not to attend Brine. There is also Inside Lacrosse that many Club Teams are doing. This has just diluted the talent pool. Many of the players that played for Long Island last year didn't even tryout. Some of the players that did get selected after the tryout are going to other events with their club teams. Just facts.

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have heard the 2018 Long Island Team is in shambles. Does anyone even know who is on the team. It's not posted anywhere. Most other regions have posted their teams.

What team are you talking about?

I assume Brine. I have heard some of the same ramblings.

there is a list on national lacrosse classic website of the names going. it just doesn't split the names to team/yr and region (does give the state). I recognized some names. I am sure you do as well.

did the emails you receive have the boys who made the team.

Interesting to hear that one of the 2018 laxachusetts goalies reclassed and has been a 2019 for two years, but he choose to stay with laxachusetts 2018. Shows that academics come first sometimes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting to hear that one of the 2018 laxachusetts goalies reclassed and has been a 2019 for two years, but he choose to stay with laxachusetts 2018. Shows that academics come first sometimes

If he reclassed , he intends to start college in '19. I'm confused how playing for 2018 shows some commitment to education ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting to hear that one of the 2018 laxachusetts goalies reclassed and has been a 2019 for two years, but he choose to stay with laxachusetts 2018. Shows that academics come first sometimes

If he reclassed , he intends to start college in '19. I'm confused how playing for 2018 shows some commitment to education ??

He plays with better talent. Slides into his PG year ready for the competition. Well prepared to be a 20 year old freshman. This is about lax not education

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by America's Game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have heard the 2018 Long Island Team is in shambles. Does anyone even know who is on the team. It's not posted anywhere. Most other regions have posted their teams.

What team are you talking about?

I assume Brine. I have heard some of the same ramblings.

there is a list on national lacrosse classic website of the names going. it just doesn't split the names to team/yr and region (does give the state). I recognized some names. I am sure you do as well.

did the emails you receive have the boys who made the team.

So you scrolled all 1700 names for the NY kids from Long Island who are in the 2018 class? A lot more patience than I have. Only thing is I have heard some rumblings. I also heard from a good source about a tryout held for 2018 Brine about a week ago. Just passing on info I have heard and also answering questions posted on the thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have heard the 2018 Long Island Team is in shambles. Does anyone even know who is on the team. It's not posted anywhere. Most other regions have posted their teams.

What team are you talking about?

I think terps? Heard 30+ kids showing up for games, kids quitting, top commits not starting, kids not playing in one game all weekend... If not true, please correct me.

You think wrong - just read the initial post referring a roster not being posted while other regions posting their teams - clearly not a reference to Express or any other club team. More likely Brine or another team like that. But thanks using the question to try to stir stuff up.

Not stirring anything up, talk to the parents on your team, tell them to be quiet... They tend to vent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have heard the 2018 Long Island Team is in shambles. Does anyone even know who is on the team. It's not posted anywhere. Most other regions have posted their teams.

What team are you talking about?

I think terps? Heard 30+ kids showing up for games, kids quitting, top commits not starting, kids not playing in one game all weekend... If not true, please correct me.

You think wrong - just read the initial post referring a roster not being posted while other regions posting their teams - clearly not a reference to Express or any other club team. More likely Brine or another team like that. But thanks using the question to try to stir stuff up.

Not stirring anything up, talk to the parents on your team, tell them to be quiet... They tend to vent.

Maybe talking about 2018 Team Long Island. This Team seems to have fallen apart and put back together in pieces. This was a decent team. Not sure what happened. Gongas is more than likely the culprit.

Not sure wth u r talking about? TLI 2018 is a very good team that had a great year. The core of that team has been together for years and are still together TLI had 6 kids on the suffolk rising sophomore team and only 9 tried out. That team is very talented! I'm not sure why u would think that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure wth u r talking about? TLI 2018 is a very good team that had a great year. The core of that team has been together for years and are still together TLI had 6 kids on the suffolk rising sophomore team and only 9 tried out. That team is very talented! I'm not sure why u would think that?

The intial question was regarding the 2018 Brine team. Not Express or Team Long Island.

Still no 2018 Brine Long a island Team posted.

Why isn't Express Team 1 attending the tourney, they are probably the only 2018 team that is considered to be one of the elite not attending.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still no 2018 Brine Long a island Team posted.

No there is not, every year there is always some sort of conspiracy towards Brine Nationals, yes, it does conflict with Blue Chip but even the past few years, especially for the 2018 grade, the final list was never prompt in being delivered. Let's just wait, the boys attending will do well and should come out victorious.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why isn't Express Team 1 attending the tourney, they are probably the only 2018 team that is considered to be one of the elite not attending.

What tournament ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why isn't Express Team 1 attending the tourney, they are probably the only 2018 team that is considered to be one of the elite not attending.

What tournament ??

Express Team 1 IS attending the tournament, all the other good teams are ducking them and going to Baltimore this weekend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why isn't Express Team 1 attending the tourney, they are probably the only 2018 team that is considered to be one of the elite not attending.

What tournament ??

Express Team 1 IS attending the tournament, all the other good teams are ducking them and going to Baltimore this weekend

What tournament. ??

If ALL the other good teams are playing somewhere else , who's ducking ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why isn't Express Team 1 attending the tourney, they are probably the only 2018 team that is considered to be one of the elite not attending.

What tournament ??

Express Team 1 IS attending the tournament, all the other good teams are ducking them and going to Baltimore this weekend

What tournament. ??

If ALL the other good teams are playing somewhere else , who's ducking ?

Express team 1 looks like an average B team, they look as if they don't really eant to play, what is going on with that club?

What happened to 91 yesterday in Baltimore, losing to Prime Time? Didn't see that one coming, Did Prime Time have 2017's playing down, did they have a bunch of older kids on 2018's. That must have been a long ride home for Johnny Jr. Suitcases in his seat, wrists and ankles strapped to the luggage rack so he doesn't fall off, doing push ups the whole way home on the roof of the car. long day off the island

FCA MD won the whole thing at Crabfeast. So maybe the mighty Extreme are not so mighty after all. Will the 91 lax daddys tolerate this?

Definitely some unhappy Terp kids left team. Coach only plays his favorites even when college coaches have come to see some of the other players. Coach doesn't care.

One kid leaving Terps is hardly kidS. Stop spreading rumors.

heard 91 extreme and FCA are combining together to field a team for the U15 national championships. Neither team can field a team with all of there hold backs. What does this say about mighty 91 that they have to venture outside the empire to field a team and try and win a tourney. Bet the rest of the kids in 91 2018 feel real good that there not getting a chance to represent.What we do for a medal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

heard 91 extreme and FCA are combining together to field a team for the U15 national championships. Neither team can field a team with all of there hold backs. What does this say about mighty 91 that they have to venture outside the empire to field a team and try and win a tourney. Bet the rest of the kids in 91 2018 feel real good that there not getting a chance to represent.What we do for a medal.

FCA grabs kids every year from the better teams. 91 has nothing to do with it except a few of their kids are going to play with FCA. I am good with adding kids, but these all star teams are not fair to the actual teams that compete to get there and earn a spot. Also need to watch for kids who are too old. Check the rosters!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

heard 91 extreme and FCA are combining together to field a team for the U15 national championships. Neither team can field a team with all of there hold backs. What does this say about mighty 91 that they have to venture outside the empire to field a team and try and win a tourney. Bet the rest of the kids in 91 2018 feel real good that there not getting a chance to represent.What we do for a medal.

Guess your son isn't participating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

heard 91 extreme and FCA are combining together to field a team for the U15 national championships. Neither team can field a team with all of there hold backs. What does this say about mighty 91 that they have to venture outside the empire to field a team and try and win a tourney. Bet the rest of the kids in 91 2018 feel real good that there not getting a chance to represent.What we do for a medal.

FCA grabs kids every year from the better teams. 91 has nothing to do with it except a few of their kids are going to play with FCA. I am good with adding kids, but these all star teams are not fair to the actual teams that compete to get there and earn a spot. Also need to watch for kids who are too old. Check the rosters!!

I am quite confused with your post, you are good with teams adding kids as long as they are of age and not all stars or can they be not of age, as long as they aren't all stars. How about you play with the kids on your team, if they all can't make it for a tournament, you play short handed or you don't go. I can hear the coonversation with a college coach after the game, College Coach says, Coach what can you tell me about #16? Club Coach says, sorry i can't say tell you too much about him. I met him right before pre game, he does stretch well and seems to take plyometrics very serious. I think he could play for you guys, sorry what school do you coach at again? It's all good

Originally Posted by Anonymous

heard 91 extreme and FCA are combining together to field a team for the U15 national championships. Neither team can field a team with all of there hold backs. What does this say about mighty 91 that they have to venture outside the empire to field a team and try and win a tourney. Bet the rest of the kids in 91 2018 feel real good that there not getting a chance to represent.What we do for a medal.

FCA grabs kids every year from the better teams. 91 has nothing to do with it except a few of their kids are going to play with FCA. I am good with adding kids, but these all star teams are not fair to the actual teams that compete to get there and earn a spot. Also need to watch for kids who are too old. Check the rosters!!

I am quite confused with your post, you are good with teams adding kids as long as they are of age and not all stars or can they be not of age, as long as they aren't all stars. How about you play with the kids on your team, if they all can't make it for a tournament, you play short handed or you don't go. I can hear the coonversation with a college coach after the game, College Coach says, Coach what can you tell me about #16? Club Coach says, sorry i can't say tell you too much about him. I met him right before pre game, he does stretch well and seems to take plyometrics very serious. I think he could play for you guys, sorry what school do you coach at again? It's all good

That's some story you wrote for us. Just so you know.....won't be a single coach in VA. Not a recruiting event so your made up conversation won't happen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

heard 91 extreme and FCA are combining together to field a team for the U15 national championships. Neither team can field a team with all of there hold backs. What does this say about mighty 91 that they have to venture outside the empire to field a team and try and win a tourney. Bet the rest of the kids in 91 2018 feel real good that there not getting a chance to represent.What we do for a medal.

FCA grabs kids every year from the better teams. 91 has nothing to do with it except a few of their kids are going to play with FCA. I am good with adding kids, but these all star teams are not fair to the actual teams that compete to get there and earn a spot. Also need to watch for kids who are too old. Check the rosters!!

I am quite confused with your post, you are good with teams adding kids as long as they are of age and not all stars or can they be not of age, as long as they aren't all stars. How about you play with the kids on your team, if they all can't make it for a tournament, you play short handed or you don't go. I can hear the coonversation with a college coach after the game, College Coach says, Coach what can you tell me about #16? Club Coach says, sorry i can't say tell you too much about him. I met him right before pre game, he does stretch well and seems to take plyometrics very serious. I think he could play for you guys, sorry what school do you coach at again? It's all good

That's some story you wrote for us. Just so you know.....won't be a single coach in VA. Not a recruiting event so your made up conversation won't happen

it is true that this is not a recruiting event but i can assure you that there will be many many coaches at this event. as for all the conversation about 91 and FCA combining, it sounds like a solid plan since most of the other clubs that claim to be 2018 played last year.

Congrats to Team Long Island for winning the Nat175, keep it going.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

heard 91 extreme and FCA are combining together to field a team for the U15 national championships. Neither team can field a team with all of there hold backs. What does this say about mighty 91 that they have to venture outside the empire to field a team and try and win a tourney. Bet the rest of the kids in 91 2018 feel real good that there not getting a chance to represent.What we do for a medal.

FCA grabs kids every year from the better teams. 91 has nothing to do with it except a few of their kids are going to play with FCA. I am good with adding kids, but these all star teams are not fair to the actual teams that compete to get there and earn a spot. Also need to watch for kids who are too old. Check the rosters!!

I am quite confused with your post, you are good with teams adding kids as long as they are of age and not all stars or can they be not of age, as long as they aren't all stars. How about you play with the kids on your team, if they all can't make it for a tournament, you play short handed or you don't go. I can hear the coonversation with a college coach after the game, College Coach says, Coach what can you tell me about #16? Club Coach says, sorry i can't say tell you too much about him. I met him right before pre game, he does stretch well and seems to take plyometrics very serious. I think he could play for you guys, sorry what school do you coach at again? It's all good

That's some story you wrote for us. Just so you know.....won't be a single coach in VA. Not a recruiting event so your made up conversation won't happen

it is true that this is not a recruiting event but i can assure you that there will be many many coaches at this event. as for all the conversation about 91 and FCA combining, it sounds like a solid plan since most of the other clubs that claim to be 2018 played last year.

Been there for past 4 years. No coaches. Solid plan to put an all star team together to play against teams that played way in to a tournament?? Sounds like these teams "combining" have too many older kids on roster to compete at appropriate age.

IMHO - there are no teams just a bunch of kids in the same jerseys, their is no league or governing body or any sort of roster or age verification (except the U15 nationals) at any of these events - it is just who shows up on any given day and wears that teams jerseys - not long ago you used to see kids wearing other teams shorts because they just came off the field with team A and were asked to play with team B and throws on a jersey and plays, the kids don't care they just want to play and have a good time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Team Long Island for winning the Nat175, keep it going.

How do they play in 2018 bracket with 2017 kids on team?

get your facts right. were probably the only true 2018 out there. no hold backs, no 2017 boys either.

name one dopey

Originally Posted by Anonymous

name one dopey

So they are 15 or a 2018 team?

On the website it says that for 2016 , if not 15 by 8/31 that you play u 15. That means my 10th grader with a September birthday would play 2019 next year??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

name one dopey

So they are 15 or a 2018 team?

On the website it says that for 2016 , if not 15 by 8/31 that you play u 15. That means my 10th grader with a September birthday would play 2019 next year??

Let me enlighten you! TLI U-15 are ALL 2018's and All U-15 eligible so u can all stop chirping. The 3 2017's (who were age appropriate for u-15) are no longer on the team. You won't have to worry about playing those 2017's that were younger than half the kids that are 2018's. You people are priceless!

You still have two 2017 players on the team so stop lying. until you get rid of those players you should not be playing 2018.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You still have two 2017 players on the team so stop lying. until you get rid of those players you should not be playing 2018.

Ok genius. Name them! You really should check your facts! U r starting to look stupid!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

name one dopey

So they are 15 or a 2018 team?

On the website it says that for 2016 , if not 15 by 8/31 that you play u 15. That means my 10th grader with a September birthday would play 2019 next year??

Let me enlighten you! TLI U-15 are ALL 2018's and All U-15 eligible so u can all stop chirping. The 3 2017's (who were age appropriate for u-15) are no longer on the team. You won't have to worry about playing those 2017's that were younger than half the kids that are 2018's. You people are priceless!

Why would 3 2017's want to go to showcases on a "2018" team? So you are saying what it says on Team LI website isn't true?
It's "priceless" to expect competition to play by same rules?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

name one dopey

So they are 15 or a 2018 team?

On the website it says that for 2016 , if not 15 by 8/31 that you play u 15. That means my 10th grader with a September birthday would play 2019 next year??

Let me enlighten you! TLI U-15 are ALL 2018's and All U-15 eligible so u can all stop chirping. The 3 2017's (who were age appropriate for u-15) are no longer on the team. You won't have to worry about playing those 2017's that were younger than half the kids that are 2018's. You people are priceless!

Why would 3 2017's want to go to showcases on a "2018" team? So you are saying what it says on Team LI website isn't true?
It's "priceless" to expect competition to play by same rules?

WOW! all this chatter from a simple "Congratulations" comment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

name one dopey

So they are 15 or a 2018 team?

On the website it says that for 2016 , if not 15 by 8/31 that you play u 15. That means my 10th grader with a September birthday would play 2019 next year??

Let me enlighten you! TLI U-15 are ALL 2018's and All U-15 eligible so u can all stop chirping. The 3 2017's (who were age appropriate for u-15) are no longer on the team. You won't have to worry about playing those 2017's that were younger than half the kids that are 2018's. You people are priceless!

Why would 3 2017's want to go to showcases on a "2018" team? So you are saying what it says on Team LI website isn't true?
It's "priceless" to expect competition to play by same rules?

WOW! all this chatter from a simple "Congratulations" comment.

Right ? I'm sure they are sorry they decided to publicly pat themselves on the back !!
I'm just surprised people are complaining about their age and not how the parents act on the sidelines.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

name one dopey

So they are 15 or a 2018 team?

On the website it says that for 2016 , if not 15 by 8/31 that you play u 15. That means my 10th grader with a September birthday would play 2019 next year??

Let me enlighten you! TLI U-15 are ALL 2018's and All U-15 eligible so u can all stop chirping. The 3 2017's (who were age appropriate for u-15) are no longer on the team. You won't have to worry about playing those 2017's that were younger than half the kids that are 2018's. You people are priceless!

Why would 3 2017's want to go to showcases on a "2018" team? So you are saying what it says on Team LI website isn't true?
It's "priceless" to expect competition to play by same rules?

What is priceless is your ignorance and stupidity! Where on the site does it say that there are 2017's on the team? I will explain it one more time! The kids are ALL U-15 eligible (meaning that they were born after 8/31/99 AND they will ALL graduate in the class of 2018! it's very simple. Now please name these 2 fictitious 2017's.

back of the cage will not let me name players you idiot, everyone on this website knows that. You advertise for 2017 are eligible to play but you want us to believe there are none on your team when your parents told us there are.
Stop the lying

wow...if an alien landed down and saw this back/forth, they were think we are all out of our collective minds!....cmon' guys, you are talking about youth lax...get a freakin life

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You still have two 2017 players on the team so stop lying. until you get rid of those players you should not be playing 2018.

Ok genius. Name them! You really should check your facts! U r starting to look stupid!

Did 2018's play on the team that played in the 2019 bracket?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

back of the cage will not let me name players you idiot, everyone on this website knows that. You advertise for 2017 are eligible to play but you want us to believe there are none on your team when your parents told us there are.
Stop the lying

You are delusional. Give me the town they are from? you can do that right? you definitely weren't talking to the 2018 parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

back of the cage will not let me name players you idiot, everyone on this website knows that. You advertise for 2017 are eligible to play but you want us to believe there are none on your team when your parents told us there are.
Stop the lying

You are delusional. Give me the town they are from? you can do that right? you definitely weren't talking to the 2018 parents.

That's enough. Stop goading him. There will be no mention of players, their towns or their shoe size. Got it?

If you want to have this discussion, register, sign in and call each other.. Too damn easy to hide behind anonymous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

name one dopey

So they are 15 or a 2018 team?

On the website it says that for 2016 , if not 15 by 8/31 that you play u 15. That means my 10th grader with a September birthday would play 2019 next year??

Let me enlighten you! TLI U-15 are ALL 2018's and All U-15 eligible so u can all stop chirping. The 3 2017's (who were age appropriate for u-15) are no longer on the team. You won't have to worry about playing those 2017's that were younger than half the kids that are 2018's. You people are priceless!

Why would 3 2017's want to go to showcases on a "2018" team? So you are saying what it says on Team LI website isn't true?
It's "priceless" to expect competition to play by same rules?

What is priceless is your ignorance and stupidity! Where on the site does it say that there are 2017's on the team? I will explain it one more time! The kids are ALL U-15 eligible (meaning that they were born after 8/31/99 AND they will ALL graduate in the class of 2018! it's very simple. Now please name these 2 fictitious 2017's.

FYI - your argument is completely wrong... straight from USLacrosse site.

NOTE: Age group references used in this section are in common usage but should not be understood literally. The U15 (read: �Under 15�) grouping means that, if a player is 14 years old on the cutoff date, he may participate in U15 competition as a 15-year old.

U15:

All players must be 14 years old or younger on the August 31st preceding competition. It is recommended that when multiple teams exist within a program, the program should consider physical size, skill, and maturity when organizing teams.

... according to the information you provided, the entire team in 15+ years old which makes them 2017.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

name one dopey

So they are 15 or a 2018 team?

On the website it says that for 2016 , if not 15 by 8/31 that you play u 15. That means my 10th grader with a September birthday would play 2019 next year??

Let me enlighten you! TLI U-15 are ALL 2018's and All U-15 eligible so u can all stop chirping. The 3 2017's (who were age appropriate for u-15) are no longer on the team. You won't have to worry about playing those 2017's that were younger than half the kids that are 2018's. You people are priceless!

Why would 3 2017's want to go to showcases on a "2018" team? So you are saying what it says on Team LI website isn't true?
It's "priceless" to expect competition to play by same rules?

What is priceless is your ignorance and stupidity! Where on the site does it say that there are 2017's on the team? I will explain it one more time! The kids are ALL U-15 eligible (meaning that they were born after 8/31/99 AND they will ALL graduate in the class of 2018! it's very simple. Now please name these 2 fictitious 2017's.

FYI - your argument is completely wrong... straight from USLacrosse site.

NOTE: Age group references used in this section are in common usage but should not be understood literally. The U15 (read: Under 15) grouping means that, if a player is 14 years old on the cutoff date, he may participate in U15 competition as a 15-year old.

U15:

All players must be 14 years old or younger on the August 31st preceding competition. It is recommended that when multiple teams exist within a program, the program should consider physical size, skill, and maturity when organizing teams.

... according to the information you provided, the entire team in 15+ years old which makes them 2017.

I feel like I am arguing with Jim from taxi! Whaaaaat Doooooeeeessss a yelllllllloooooowwwww light meaaan?

"if a player is 14 years old on the cutoff date, he may participate in U15 competition as a 15-year old". They just needed to be 14 last August 31st!!!! They will all be 15 except for kids born after July 26th of 2000 (the tournament date).
You really are not sharp are you? Look at the teams who played last year. They were mostly 2017's!

You played in this same Nat 175 tournament last year with at least 3 2017 players in the 2018 bracket. Is that not correct?

[quote=Anonymous]You played in this same Nat 175 tournament last year with at least 3 2017 players in the 2018 bracket. Is that not correct?
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Yes . That is correct. The tournament director knew and gave his blessing. That was the only 2018 tourney we played in. The rest were 2017 or U based. Meanwhile every 2018 team we played had kids OLDER than our 2017's(but holding your kid back isn't cheating). Including that tournament! We lost to the Terps, who btw have at least 6 kids NOT eligible for the U-15 nationals ! They beat us , so what. They were the better team that day!
This year our coaches decided to go ALL 2018's so we don't have to hear guys like you whining that you have to play kids that are younger than your oldest kids. So now there is nothing to talk about, BUT you still need to bring it up to make yourself feel better? Did we beat your sons team or something? it's ok to lose, you don't need an excuse!

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You played in this same Nat 175 tournament last year with at least 3 2017 players in the 2018 bracket. Is that not correct?
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Yes . That is correct. The tournament director knew and gave his blessing. That was the only 2018 tourney we played in. The rest were 2017 or U based. Meanwhile every 2018 team we played had kids OLDER than our 2017's(but holding your kid back isn't cheating). Including that tournament! We lost to the Terps, who btw have at least 6 kids NOT eligible for the U-15 nationals ! They beat us , so what. They were the better team that day!
This year our coaches decided to go ALL 2018's so we don't have to hear guys like you whining that you have to play kids that are younger than your oldest kids. So now there is nothing to talk about, BUT you still need to bring it up to make yourself feel better? Did we beat your sons team or something? it's ok to lose, you don't need an excuse!

You are first to admit it. Thank you. Parents on sideline saying "no way" last year. His "blessing" doesn't make it OK. Not sure about the Terps, but do not doubt it, and yes, that is cheating as well if true. It's not about winning, its about playing by the rules. My sons all 2018 team has lost once in the past in a good game. And that day, team LI was the better team. Congratulations on this years win. There were a lot of very good teams there!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]name one dopey

Let me enlighten you! TLI U-15 are ALL 2018's and All U-15 eligible so u can all stop chirping. The 3 2017's (who were age appropriate for u-15) are no longer on the team. You won't have to worry about playing those 2017's that were younger than half the kids that are 2018's. You people are priceless!

Why would 3 2017's want to go to showcases on a "2018" team? So you are saying what it says on Team LI website isn't true?
It's "priceless" to expect competition to play by same rules?

What is priceless is your ignorance and stupidity! Where on the site does it say that there are 2017's on the team? I will explain it one more time! The kids are ALL U-15 eligible (meaning that they were born after 8/31/99 AND they will ALL graduate in the class of 2018! it's very simple. Now please name these 2 fictitious 2017's.

FYI - your argument is completely wrong... straight from USLacrosse site.

NOTE: Age group references used in this section are in common usage but should not be understood literally. The U15 (read: Under 15) grouping means that, if a player is 14 years old on the cutoff date, he may participate in U15 competition as a 15-year old.

U15:

All players must be 14 years old or younger on the August 31st preceding competition. It is recommended that when multiple teams exist within a program, the program should consider physical size, skill, and maturity when organizing teams.

... according to the information you provided, the entire team in 15+ years old which makes them 2017.

I feel like I am arguing with Jim from taxi! Whaaaaat Doooooeeeessss a yelllllllloooooowwwww light meaaan?

"if a player is 14 years old on the cutoff date, he may participate in U15 competition as a 15-year old". They just needed to be 14 last August 31st!!!! They will all be 15 except for kids born after July 26th of 2000 (the tournament date).
You really are not sharp are you? Look at the teams who played last year. They were mostly 2017's!

you are wrong, most of the teams there last year were marked as 2017 but the teams were combination of the 2017/2018 players to meet the U15 categorization. You are ignorant, read the website, it states "Born on or after 9/1/1999 - U15." Which i read as being 15 after 8/31/1999 not before as you state [moron!].
jjjjjjjjjjiiiiiiiiiiimmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!

For this summer 2017/2018 is no big deal - all players have now had High School experience

For last summer, bringing 2017s (kids who already played HS) into a 2018 (middle school experience only) bracket is very objectionable.

A year playing against HS speed/talent is a developmental advantage and creates an uneven playing field. The tournament director should not of allowed this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For this summer 2017/2018 is no big deal - all players have now had High School experience

For last summer, bringing 2017s (kids who already played HS) into a 2018 (middle school experience only) bracket is very objectionable.

A year playing against HS speed/talent is a developmental advantage and creates an uneven playing field. The tournament director should not of allowed this.

who cares, it was last year. Express won the division, so it really didn't matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]name one dopey

Let me enlighten you! TLI U-15 are ALL 2018's and All U-15 eligible so u can all stop chirping. The 3 2017's (who were age appropriate for u-15) are no longer on the team. You won't have to worry about playing those 2017's that were younger than half the kids that are 2018's. You people are priceless!

Why would 3 2017's want to go to showcases on a "2018" team? So you are saying what it says on Team LI website isn't true?
It's "priceless" to expect competition to play by same rules?

What is priceless is your ignorance and stupidity! Where on the site does it say that there are 2017's on the team? I will explain it one more time! The kids are ALL U-15 eligible (meaning that they were born after 8/31/99 AND they will ALL graduate in the class of 2018! it's very simple. Now please name these 2 fictitious 2017's.

FYI - your argument is completely wrong... straight from USLacrosse site.

NOTE: Age group references used in this section are in common usage but should not be understood literally. The U15 (read: Under 15) grouping means that, if a player is 14 years old on the cutoff date, he may participate in U15 competition as a 15-year old.

U15:

All players must be 14 years old or younger on the August 31st preceding competition. It is recommended that when multiple teams exist within a program, the program should consider physical size, skill, and maturity when organizing teams.

... according to the information you provided, the entire team in 15+ years old which makes them 2017.

I feel like I am arguing with Jim from taxi! Whaaaaat Doooooeeeessss a yelllllllloooooowwwww light meaaan?

"if a player is 14 years old on the cutoff date, he may participate in U15 competition as a 15-year old". They just needed to be 14 last August 31st!!!! They will all be 15 except for kids born after July 26th of 2000 (the tournament date).
You really are not sharp are you? Look at the teams who played last year. They were mostly 2017's!

you are wrong, most of the teams there last year were marked as 2017 but the teams were combination of the 2017/2018 players to meet the U15 categorization. You are ignorant, read the website, it states "Born on or after 9/1/1999 - U15." Which i read as being 15 after 8/31/1999 not before as you state [moron!].
jjjjjjjjjjiiiiiiiiiiimmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]name one dopey

Let me enlighten you! TLI U-15 are ALL 2018's and All U-15 eligible so u can all stop chirping. The 3 2017's (who were age appropriate for u-15) are no longer on the team. You won't have to worry about playing those 2017's that were younger than half the kids that are 2018's. You people are priceless!

Why would 3 2017's want to go to showcases on a "2018" team? So you are saying what it says on Team LI website isn't true?
It's "priceless" to expect competition to play by same rules?

What is priceless is your ignorance and stupidity! Where on the site does it say that there are 2017's on the team? I will explain it one more time! The kids are ALL U-15 eligible (meaning that they were born after 8/31/99 AND they will ALL graduate in the class of 2018! it's very simple. Now please name these 2 fictitious 2017's.

FYI - your argument is completely wrong... straight from USLacrosse site.

NOTE: Age group references used in this section are in common usage but should not be understood literally. The U15 (read: Under 15) grouping means that, if a player is 14 years old on the cutoff date, he may participate in U15 competition as a 15-year old.

U15:

All players must be 14 years old or younger on the August 31st preceding competition. It is recommended that when multiple teams exist within a program, the program should consider physical size, skill, and maturity when organizing teams.

... according to the information you provided, the entire team in 15+ years old which makes them 2017.

I feel like I am arguing with Jim from taxi! Whaaaaat Doooooeeeessss a yelllllllloooooowwwww light meaaan?

"if a player is 14 years old on the cutoff date, he may participate in U15 competition as a 15-year old". They just needed to be 14 last August 31st!!!! They will all be 15 except for kids born after July 26th of 2000 (the tournament date).
You really are not sharp are you? Look at the teams who played last year. They were mostly 2017's!

you are wrong, most of the teams there last year were marked as 2017 but the teams were combination of the 2017/2018 players to meet the U15 categorization. You are ignorant, read the website, it states "Born on or after 9/1/1999 - U15." Which i read as being 15 after 8/31/1999 not before as you state [moron!].
jjjjjjjjjjiiiiiiiiiiimmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For this summer 2017/2018 is no big deal - all players have now had High School experience

For last summer, bringing 2017s (kids who already played HS) into a 2018 (middle school experience only) bracket is very objectionable.

A year playing against HS speed/talent is a developmental advantage and creates an uneven playing field. The tournament director should not of allowed this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For this summer 2017/2018 is no big deal - all players have now had High School experience

For last summer, bringing 2017s (kids who already played HS) into a 2018 (middle school experience only) bracket is very objectionable.

A year playing against HS speed/talent is a developmental advantage and creates an uneven playing field. The tournament director should not of allowed this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For this summer 2017/2018 is no big deal - all players have now had High School experience

For last summer, bringing 2017s (kids who already played HS) into a 2018 (middle school experience only) bracket is very objectionable.

A year playing against HS speed/talent is a developmental advantage and creates an uneven playing field. The tournament director should not of allowed this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]name one dopey

Let me enlighten you! TLI U-15 are ALL 2018's and All U-15 eligible so u can all stop chirping. The 3 2017's (who were age appropriate for u-15) are no longer on the team. You won't have to worry about playing those 2017's that were younger than half the kids that are 2018's. You people are priceless!

Why would 3 2017's want to go to showcases on a "2018" team? So you are saying what it says on Team LI website isn't true?
It's "priceless" to expect competition to play by same rules?

What is priceless is your ignorance and stupidity! Where on the site does it say that there are 2017's on the team? I will explain it one more time! The kids are ALL U-15 eligible (meaning that they were born after 8/31/99 AND they will ALL graduate in the class of 2018! it's very simple. Now please name these 2 fictitious 2017's.

FYI - your argument is completely wrong... straight from USLacrosse site.

NOTE: Age group references used in this section are in common usage but should not be understood literally. The U15 (read: Under 15) grouping means that, if a player is 14 years old on the cutoff date, he may participate in U15 competition as a 15-year old.

U15:

All players must be 14 years old or younger on the August 31st preceding competition. It is recommended that when multiple teams exist within a program, the program should consider physical size, skill, and maturity when organizing teams.

... according to the information you provided, the entire team in 15+ years old which makes them 2017.

I feel like I am arguing with Jim from taxi! Whaaaaat Doooooeeeessss a yelllllllloooooowwwww light meaaan?

"if a player is 14 years old on the cutoff date, he may participate in U15 competition as a 15-year old". They just needed to be 14 last August 31st!!!! They will all be 15 except for kids born after July 26th of 2000 (the tournament date).
You really are not sharp are you? Look at the teams who played last year. They were mostly 2017's!

you are wrong, most of the teams there last year were marked as 2017 but the teams were combination of the 2017/2018 players to meet the U15 categorization. You are ignorant, read the website, it states "Born on or after 9/1/1999 - U15." Which i read as being 15 after 8/31/1999 not before as you state [moron!].
jjjjjjjjjjiiiiiiiiiiimmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!

OK Iggy! If you are right then we should not be able to go to the U-15 this year, because all of our kids are too old? Right? Why don't you call US lax and ask if TLI U-15/2018 is playing and eligible? BTw some of the teams were 2018's last year because they have HOLD BACKS that REALLY should be 2017's. So they played last year. YOU just don't get it!!!! It is comical!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For this summer 2017/2018 is no big deal - all players have now had High School experience

For last summer, bringing 2017s (kids who already played HS) into a 2018 (middle school experience only) bracket is very objectionable.

A year playing against HS speed/talent is a developmental advantage and creates an uneven playing field. The tournament director should not of allowed this.

who cares, it was last year. Express won the division, so it really didn't matter.

Think the point here is credibility and history of bending the rules.

Not sure what Iggy is saying , but I think more likely eligible for u 15 then 2018. There is a difference. A 2017 can be eligible for u 15 but is never eligible for 2018.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure what Iggy is saying , but I think more likely eligible for u 15 then 2018. There is a difference. A 2017 can be eligible for u 15 but is never eligible for 2018.

No on said TLI U15 should not be allowed to go to the U15 Nationals, what is being stated is that the current group the poster keeps mentioning is ineligible according to what is stated in the USLacrosse website, also, since they will all have to confirm against the USLacrosse membership for eligibility, I believe that their U15 [NOT 2018] will be much different team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure what Iggy is saying , but I think more likely eligible for u 15 then 2018. There is a difference. A 2017 can be eligible for u 15 but is never eligible for 2018.

The team is ALL 2018's. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure what Iggy is saying , but I think more likely eligible for u 15 then 2018. There is a difference. A 2017 can be eligible for u 15 but is never eligible for 2018.

No on said TLI U15 should not be allowed to go to the U15 Nationals, what is being stated is that the current group the poster keeps mentioning is ineligible according to what is stated in the USLacrosse website, also, since they will all have to confirm against the USLacrosse membership for eligibility, I believe that their U15 [NOT 2018] will be much different team.

The U-15 is the same team as the 2018 team. They are ALL 2018's this year!

So the info on team LI website isn't accurate ? Teams are formed by grad year now?

I am not a team li parent but why would anyone care what grade a kid was in if he/she played on an age appropriate team?

What advantage does being in a higher grade give any player?

I can understand why people get so incensed about holdbacks because the additional year of growth is certainly an advantage.

But for the love of all things, please explain what advantage a young 8th grader has over a 7th grader if they were both born in the same summer? Just doesn't make any rational sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am not a team li parent but why would anyone care what grade a kid was in if he/she played on an age appropriate team?

What advantage does being in a higher grade give any player?

I can understand why people get so incensed about holdbacks because the additional year of growth is certainly an advantage.

But for the love of all things, please explain what advantage a young 8th grader has over a 7th grader if they were both born in the same summer? Just doesn't make any rational sense.

Someone explained it well earlier. 8th graders playing against 9th graders is a real disadvantage. The one year of playing HS lacrosse is a big step up from Jr HS. The other argument is , why would a HS player want to play down? That makes less sense. Especially at a showcase

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am not a team li parent but why would anyone care what grade a kid was in if he/she played on an age appropriate team?

What advantage does being in a higher grade give any player?

I can understand why people get so incensed about holdbacks because the additional year of growth is certainly an advantage.

But for the love of all things, please explain what advantage a young 8th grader has over a 7th grader if they were both born in the same summer? Just doesn't make any rational sense.

Someone explained it well earlier. 8th graders playing against 9th graders is a real disadvantage. The one year of playing HS lacrosse is a big step up from Jr HS. The other argument is , why would a HS player want to play down? That makes less sense. Especially at a showcase

If your pissed at holdbacks now, wait till next year. Take look at the age legit kids that just finished 9th grade in your town and travel team. Do you see any age legit 6'2" -6'4" middies? Do you see any defenseman the same size but 215 lbs of solid mass? If you do they are not physically mature. However, here you will see this... You will also see kids who have reclassed two times and have just completed the 9th grade for the THIRD time. You will also see early commits look like just another "GOOD" player. Buckle in, it is absolute insanity...

Please, that makes no sense at all. Age appropriate players should play together when it comes to summer ball. Most 9th graders play JV and not varsity. Even the 10 or 15 freshman that played varsity, did very little.

I suspect the two or three kids that TLI had were not on the list of freshman studs that went to the varsity program.

Anyone playing on an age appropriate team is not playing down.

Can't wait to see you guys start complaining when the holdbacks start competing against your sons...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please, that makes no sense at all. Age appropriate players should play together when it comes to summer ball. Most 9th graders play JV and not varsity. Even the 10 or 15 freshman that played varsity, did very little.

I suspect the two or three kids that TLI had were not on the list of freshman studs that went to the varsity program.

Anyone playing on an age appropriate team is not playing down.

Can't wait to see you guys start complaining when the holdbacks start competing against your sons...

There are rules for a reason and this is only organization that decides to play by their own on LI. If you need the "blessing" of the tournament , obviously you are aware you are not following the rules , or you wouldn't ask. You can justify all you want but NO 2017 should play in a 2018 bracket. Why is this hard to follow ?

stupid TLI for the most part always played up. we were always a "u" based team. for recruiting purposes this year we went to graduating year. let it go already!!!!

No player who is not age appropriate for 2018 should play as a 2018. When you held him back, you did not make him younger. Why is this so hard to understand?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please, that makes no sense at all. Age appropriate players should play together when it comes to summer ball. Most 9th graders play JV and not varsity. Even the 10 or 15 freshman that played varsity, did very little.

I suspect the two or three kids that TLI had were not on the list of freshman studs that went to the varsity program.

Anyone playing on an age appropriate team is not playing down.

Can't wait to see you guys start complaining when the holdbacks start competing against your sons...

There are rules for a reason and this is only organization that decides to play by their own on LI. If you need the "blessing" of the tournament , obviously you are aware you are not following the rules , or you wouldn't ask. You can justify all you want but NO 2017 should play in a 2018 bracket. Why is this hard to follow ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No player who is not age appropriate for 2018 should play as a 2018. When you held him back, you did not make him younger. Why is this so hard to understand?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please, that makes no sense at all. Age appropriate players should play together when it comes to summer ball. Most 9th graders play JV and not varsity. Even the 10 or 15 freshman that played varsity, did very little.

I suspect the two or three kids that TLI had were not on the list of freshman studs that went to the varsity program.

Anyone playing on an age appropriate team is not playing down.

Can't wait to see you guys start complaining when the holdbacks start competing against your sons...

There are rules for a reason and this is only organization that decides to play by their own on LI. If you need the "blessing" of the tournament , obviously you are aware you are not following the rules , or you wouldn't ask. You can justify all you want but NO 2017 should play in a 2018 bracket. Why is this hard to follow ?

Holdbacks are cheating too. Just like playing in wrong bracket , even if you disagree with.

Any 2018 team looking for an LSM to play this weekend? Schedule is open. Local would be preferred but could travel depending on where the event is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No player who is not age appropriate for 2018 should play as a 2018. When you held him back, you did not make him younger. Why is this so hard to understand?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please, that makes no sense at all. Age appropriate players should play together when it comes to summer ball. Most 9th graders play JV and not varsity. Even the 10 or 15 freshman that played varsity, did very little.

I suspect the two or three kids that TLI had were not on the list of freshman studs that went to the varsity program.

Anyone playing on an age appropriate team is not playing down.

Can't wait to see you guys start complaining when the holdbacks start competing against your sons...

There are rules for a reason and this is only organization that decides to play by their own on LI. If you need the "blessing" of the tournament , obviously you are aware you are not following the rules , or you wouldn't ask. You can justify all you want but NO 2017 should play in a 2018 bracket. Why is this hard to follow ?

Holdbacks are cheating too. Just like playing in wrong bracket , even if you disagree with.

Each parent will have to send proof of age to USLacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No player who is not age appropriate for 2018 should play as a 2018. When you held him back, you did not make him younger. Why is this so hard to understand?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please, that makes no sense at all. Age appropriate players should play together when it comes to summer ball. Most 9th graders play JV and not varsity. Even the 10 or 15 freshman that played varsity, did very little.

I suspect the two or three kids that TLI had were not on the list of freshman studs that went to the varsity program.

Anyone playing on an age appropriate team is not playing down.

Can't wait to see you guys start complaining when the holdbacks start competing against your sons...

There are rules for a reason and this is only organization that decides to play by their own on LI. If you need the "blessing" of the tournament , obviously you are aware you are not following the rules , or you wouldn't ask. You can justify all you want but NO 2017 should play in a 2018 bracket. Why is this hard to follow ?

Holdbacks are cheating too. Just like playing in wrong bracket , even if you disagree with.

Each parent will have to send proof of age to USLacrosse.

I think the simple answer is play age up until U15 and then let go by grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No player who is not age appropriate for 2018 should play as a 2018. When you held him back, you did not make him younger. Why is this so hard to understand?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please, that makes no sense at all. Age appropriate players should play together when it comes to summer ball. Most 9th graders play JV and not varsity. Even the 10 or 15 freshman that played varsity, did very little.

I suspect the two or three kids that TLI had were not on the list of freshman studs that went to the varsity program.

Anyone playing on an age appropriate team is not playing down.

Can't wait to see you guys start complaining when the holdbacks start competing against your sons...

There are rules for a reason and this is only organization that decides to play by their own on LI. If you need the "blessing" of the tournament , obviously you are aware you are not following the rules , or you wouldn't ask. You can justify all you want but NO 2017 should play in a 2018 bracket. Why is this hard to follow ?

Holdbacks are cheating too. Just like playing in wrong bracket , even if you disagree with.

Each parent will have to send proof of age to USLacrosse.

I think the simple answer is play age up until U15 and then let go by grade.

No, i don't think you understand the comment, USLacrosse sent out an "Atheletic Age Verification" form that is being verified by tne NCSI (National Center for Safety Initiatives). They confirm the age appropriateness of the players attending the U15 National Championships with either birth certificate, passport or some other legal form that they have the parent upload.

Do they verify that the document matches the player at tournament ?

The answer is No! Unless someone sees a kid who is too old and tells someone they aren't checking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No player who is not age appropriate for 2018 should play as a 2018. When you held him back, you did not make him younger. Why is this so hard to understand

This statement is delusional. At camp this week, a significant portion of the players were born in 1998. None of the D1 coaches (and they were all there) seemed to care that these boys were born before Sept 1st, 1999

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No player who is not age appropriate for 2018 should play as a 2018. When you held him back, you did not make him younger. Why is this so hard to understand

This statement is delusional. At camp this week, a significant portion of the players were born in 1998. None of the D1 coaches (and they were all there) seemed to care that these boys were born before Sept 1st, 1999

Because coaches don't care it's OK to break the rules and have 16 and 17 year olds play against 14 year olds?

The coaches don't care now, or may not even know but they will in 3 or 4 years when the physical piece evens out and that 1998 kid does look so good against that 2000 kid when they are both full grown!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do they verify that the document matches the player at tournament ?

The answer is No! Unless someone sees a kid who is too old and tells someone they aren't checking.

WOW, you really think that someone is going to register and send some other player in their place! Your really a conspiracy theorist !!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No player who is not age appropriate for 2018 should play as a 2018. When you held him back, you did not make him younger. Why is this so hard to understand

This statement is delusional. At camp this week, a significant portion of the players were born in 1998. None of the D1 coaches (and they were all there) seemed to care that these boys were born before Sept 1st, 1999

Because coaches don't care it's OK to break the rules and have 16 and 17 year olds play against 14 year olds?

These money grab tournaments only exist so that coaches can evaluate so yes it is okay. If you don't like it stick to recreational lacrosse. I agree that it sucks but unfortunately this is absolutely the case.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No player who is not age appropriate for 2018 should play as a 2018. When you held him back, you did not make him younger. Why is this so hard to understand

This statement is delusional. At camp this week, a significant portion of the players were born in 1998. None of the D1 coaches (and they were all there) seemed to care that these boys were born before Sept 1st, 1999

Because coaches don't care it's OK to break the rules and have 16 and 17 year olds play against 14 year olds?

These money grab tournaments only exist so that coaches can evaluate so yes it is okay. If you don't like it stick to recreational lacrosse. I agree that it sucks but unfortunately this is absolutely the case.

That's s stupid answer. If you don't want to cheat you should stick to recreational lacrosse ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's s stupid answer. If you don't want to cheat you should stick to recreational lacrosse ??

Nope, what I meant was that if you don't want to play against cheaters play rec. lacrosse. My 2018 is born in 2000 and plays against older boys all the time. I hate it as much as you, but do not think BOTC is the place to change it. From what I have seen, the coaching ranks don't really care. They are the group that matters. They encourage it, if not by reclass today than by PG or red-shirt later. NCAA lacrosse is for 20-24 year olds, not 18-22 year olds. The coaches recruiting from this grad year simply care about which 12 new players are joining their team for spring of 2019. It is easiest to evaluate when the recruits are playing on the same field (even if the field isn't level)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's s stupid answer. If you don't want to cheat you should stick to recreational lacrosse ??

Nope, what I meant was that if you don't want to play against cheaters play rec. lacrosse. My 2018 is born in 2000 and plays against older boys all the time. I hate it as much as you, but do not think BOTC is the place to change it. From what I have seen, the coaching ranks don't really care. They are the group that matters. They encourage it, if not by reclass today than by PG or red-shirt later. NCAA lacrosse is for 20-24 year olds, not 18-22 year olds. The coaches recruiting from this grad year simply care about which 12 new players are joining their team for spring of 2019. It is easiest to evaluate when the recruits are playing on the same field (even if the field isn't level)

great answer

congrats to Team Long Island for winning. beat a very good dukes team in the semis and a great sweet lax team in the finals. great wins for this team!!!

that win was at the liberty bell challenge

Originally Posted by Anonymous

congrats to Team Long Island for winning. beat a very good dukes team in the semis and a great sweet lax team in the finals. great wins for this team!!!

Xtreme wins NXT too! Nice weekend for LI lax in the 2018 group! 2 great wins!

How did Legacy LI do at the Liberty Tournament?

Has anyone seen Express Terps? Did that team dismantle?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone seen Express Terps? Did that team dismantle?

Terps 2018 was the name of the team last year, this year the top Express 2018 team is named Team 1, they are very much together and will be playing this weekend in Baltimore and next weekend in Virginia and ending the season in Lake Placid, everyone with the Express 2018 team 1 would like to think you for your concern

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did Legacy LI do at the Liberty Tournament?

I don't think they won a game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone seen Express Terps? Did that team dismantle?

Yes they dismantled and was reborn as the "Long Island Express Team 1."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did Legacy LI do at the Liberty Tournament?

I don't think they won a game.

They were 1-4.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do they verify that the document matches the player at tournament ?

The answer is No! Unless someone sees a kid who is too old and tells someone they aren't checking.

You don't have to worry, TLI is not on the list for U15 nationals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do they verify that the document matches the player at tournament ?

The answer is No! Unless someone sees a kid who is too old and tells someone they aren't checking.

You don't have to worry, TLI is not on the list for U15 nationals.

Buth there is a team listed as "Long Island." Interesting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do they verify that the document matches the player at tournament ?

The answer is No! Unless someone sees a kid who is too old and tells someone they aren't checking.

You don't have to worry, TLI is not on the list for U15 nationals.

Buth there is a team listed as "Long Island." Interesting.

That's "Team Long Island"! Will be interesting to see who is on team with the age problem.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do they verify that the document matches the player at tournament ?

The answer is No! Unless someone sees a kid who is too old and tells someone they aren't checking.

You don't have to worry, TLI is not on the list for U15 nationals.

Buth there is a team listed as "Long Island." Interesting.

That's "Team Long Island"! Will be interesting to see who is on team with the age problem.

TLI will not lose one kid! They are all eligible and are all 2018's!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do they verify that the document matches the player at tournament ?

The answer is No! Unless someone sees a kid who is too old and tells someone they aren't checking.

You don't have to worry, TLI is not on the list for U15 nationals.

Buth there is a team listed as "Long Island." Interesting.

That's "Team Long Island"! Will be interesting to see who is on team with the age problem.

TLI will not lose one kid! They are all eligible and are all 2018's!

How do you know that ? Are you the coach ?

Team Long Island is probably the only true u-15 team that is competing right now and winning championships. They have no reclassified players and are probably the youngest 2018 team out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do they verify that the document matches the player at tournament ?

The answer is No! Unless someone sees a kid who is too old and tells someone they aren't checking.

You don't have to worry, TLI is not on the list for U15 nationals.

Buth there is a team listed as "Long Island." Interesting.

That's "Team Long Island"! Will be interesting to see who is on team with the age problem.

TLI will not lose one kid! They are all eligible and are all 2018's!

How do you know that ? Are you the coach ?

No but my son plays on TLI. The teams were set up by U standards. We are one of the only organization that won't lose any kids! Don't you understand? TLI NEVER has kids that are older than US lax guidelines. EVERYONE else does! We are usually the youngest teams! It is amazing how it is SOOOOOO hard for you people to grasp this concept!

TLI is a very good team. 24 players on jesters 2018 team and all are of proper age. Looking forward to hopefully playing again at U 15 nationals.

How many Team 91 teams are there? And what's the top to the bottom in order? Obviously xtreme is the top what follows?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many Team 91 teams are there? And what's the top to the bottom in order? Obviously xtreme is the top what follows?

too many to count. why do you care? you need to refinance your house to get your son on their teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone seen Express Terps? Did that team dismantle?

Yes they dismantled and was reborn as the "Long Island Express Team 1."

This team was so hopeful, they look to be having many issues. That is really too bad, I feel sorry for the players and parents.

Team is fine, not sure who you are or why you feel the need to comment...probably your son was cut?

Lots of kids committed to schools like JH, Harvard, Penn state, Michigan, ND.

Not sure you should spend your time feeling sorry for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team is fine, not sure who you are or why you feel the need to comment...probably your son was cut?

Lots of kids committed to schools like JH, Harvard, Penn state, Michigan, ND.

Not sure you should spend your time feeling sorry for them.

Did they "cut" or move kids to lower teams ?

Who committed to Harvard?

For harvard, no naming names, you know better...

team is fine but this year-

One kid left in the in early spring for more playing time elsewhere

A few middies are hurt and missed last two tourny

fogo is hurt and has missed last two tourny and maverick...

certainly not our best year, but it is what it is, no mutiny on this team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team is fine, not sure who you are or why you feel the need to comment...probably your son was cut?

Lots of kids committed to schools like JH, Harvard, Penn state, Michigan, ND.

Not sure you should spend your time feeling sorry for them.

Don't forget Penn, Duke and MD

Team is headed down to U15 in Richmond this weekend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team is fine, not sure who you are or why you feel the need to comment...probably your son was cut?

Lots of kids committed to schools like JH, Harvard, Penn state, Michigan, ND.

Not sure you should spend your time feeling sorry for them.

Don't forget Penn, Duke and MD

Team is headed down to U15 in Richmond this weekend

Yes, sorry, i did not mean as exhaustive list and those were first that came to mind this morning...

can you possibly imagine someone feeling sorry for this team?

whos better team. express or express north?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team is fine, not sure who you are or why you feel the need to comment...probably your son was cut?

Lots of kids committed to schools like JH, Harvard, Penn state, Michigan, ND.

Not sure you should spend your time feeling sorry for them.

Don't forget Penn, Duke and MD

Team is headed down to U15 in Richmond this weekend

Yes, sorry, i did not mean as exhaustive list and those were first that came to mind this morning...

can you possibly imagine someone feeling sorry for this team?

Absolutely - a team that played in front of a bunch college coaches in just about every game all summer - lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

whos better team. express or express north?

Played each other once so far this summer and LI Express beat Express North by 1 in game that could have gone either way right to the last second. Not saying LI is better - both are very good teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team is fine, not sure who you are or why you feel the need to comment...probably your son was cut?

Lots of kids committed to schools like JH, Harvard, Penn state, Michigan, ND.

Not sure you should spend your time feeling sorry for them.

Don't forget Penn, Duke and MD

Team is headed down to U15 in Richmond this weekend

Yes, sorry, i did not mean as exhaustive list and those were first that came to mind this morning...

can you possibly imagine someone feeling sorry for this team?

Let's see how many 2019 are playing as the 2018 "Express TEAM 1" this weekend at U15. Are you guys even practicing anymore? I guess we'll see who even tries out for "TEAM 1" next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team is fine, not sure who you are or why you feel the need to comment...probably your son was cut?

Lots of kids committed to schools like JH, Harvard, Penn state, Michigan, ND.

Not sure you should spend your time feeling sorry for them.

Did they "cut" or move kids to lower teams ?

MC doesn't cut players, he just sidelines them and says mean things to the boys until they quit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For harvard, no naming names, you know better...

team is fine but this year-

One kid left in the in early spring for more playing time elsewhere

A few middies are hurt and missed last two tourny

fogo is hurt and has missed last two tourny and maverick...

certainly not our best year, but it is what it is, no mutiny on this team

ahem ahem... yes, sick, right...they are sick... go with that.

Being committed to an Ivy is a pretty hollow thing to an extent. Admissions declined to admit several 2015 HS class commits at several of them, most notably multiple instances at Princeton and at Penn. A coach committing you means he will support the application for admission folder. And that isn't going to carry weight for a lacrosse ringer with a 3.4 or below and average scores. I suppose Harvard is all the wiser to frown upon the public flouting of a commit given that sobering reality. It is nice to have a coach support your son's application. Really nice and it makes a difference IF that kid meets or exceeds all of the standards, and the standards are high and at a few of them they are really high. We like to call it de-committing from Penn to go to an ACC school or the like, but if you believe that is what really happens later you are kidding yourselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For harvard, no naming names, you know better...

team is fine but this year-

One kid left in the in early spring for more playing time elsewhere

A few middies are hurt and missed last two tourny

fogo is hurt and has missed last two tourny and maverick...

certainly not our best year, but it is what it is, no mutiny on this team

ahem ahem... yes, sick, right...they are sick... go with that.

How many kids are on the team ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For harvard, no naming names, you know better...

team is fine but this year-

One kid left in the in early spring for more playing time elsewhere

A few middies are hurt and missed last two tourny

fogo is hurt and has missed last two tourny and maverick...

certainly not our best year, but it is what it is, no mutiny on this team

ahem ahem... yes, sick, right...they are sick... go with that.

How many kids are on the team ?

No one knows because MC adds boys every week, LOL!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For harvard, no naming names, you know better...

team is fine but this year-

One kid left in the in early spring for more playing time elsewhere

A few middies are hurt and missed last two tourny

fogo is hurt and has missed last two tourny and maverick...

certainly not our best year, but it is what it is, no mutiny on this team

ahem ahem... yes, sick, right...they are sick... go with that.

How many kids are on the team ?

No one knows because MC adds boys every week, LOL!

Who really cares about this... move on to the next topic, tryouts, which one to do, hmmmm?

Wow...really sad for those posting negative comments about this team. Ivy look isn't all its cracked up to be??? I guess your son is ivy and you know more than the rest?

Perhaps you people are just a little jealous that kids on this team (other than Ivy) are actually getting money to go to school?

did your son get cut? I am sad for you but why the snarky comments? These are kids with a nod to the best colleges in the country, can't you be happy for them?

Just 15 year old boys doing the best they can and you all feel the need to ridicule? what is wrong with you????

Nobody has it in for a kid who has a chance to be sponsored by an Ivy coach. That is a big boost for an application and a real privilege and advantage in a competitive process. And nobody feels too bad later when a daddy bragger or a kid are scrambling for a college because the kid didn't come through with high scores and grades.

But don't follow that advice from someone who knows and just blow off the attention to academic detail and hope for the best of you will. That sounds like a plan.

Can't speak for all the boys or how all parents run their families. But from what I know of this team and my own son, academics are always first. Before sports, before community service, before xbox...

Most of the boys on the team fit the above and the reason they are getting the looks they are getting is strictly due to their work ethic, both on the field and off.

All the schools we visited before choosing were very clear on the role of academics and if anything, made my son see that what we have been preaching for years holds true.

So, for the guy concerned about the LI express team one kids having to scramble for colleges because the kids didn't keep their grades up, please spend your time worrying about your own son/daughter...but the advice is nonetheless taken in the spirit in which it was given. thank you...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't speak for all the boys or how all parents run their families. But from what I know of this team and my own son, academics are always first. Before sports, before community service, before xbox...

Most of the boys on the team fit the above and the reason they are getting the looks they are getting is strictly due to their work ethic, both on the field and off.

All the schools we visited before choosing were very clear on the role of academics and if anything, made my son see that what we have been preaching for years holds true.

So, for the guy concerned about the LI express team one kids having to scramble for colleges because the kids didn't keep their grades up, please spend your time worrying about your own son/daughter...but the advice is nonetheless taken in the spirit in which it was given. thank you...

Dear Lord, please stop posting... We get it. Your son is a super athlete and a super student and so are all of the kids on his team. Everything is perfect in your lives and on your team and your kids can do no wrong. Wow, it must be nice to live in the land gum drops and sugar plums, where everything is just so awesome. Give it a rest already, you sound ten times worse than the hater you're trying to put down.

Yorktown NY 2018 pole committed to Maryland yesterday. I watched him play at Marverik, the kids a force.

Jealous much?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jealous much?

Jealous? That's really funny.
Hey Express Mom. Go post on facebook about your son's accolades, ya know, and never post about anything that doesn't go exactly as planned. HAHAHA

I am being told a few things help clarify.

1). Are the 18 months that follow 8th grade graduation the most important.

2). What are the best events to attend?

3). Do you really need to play for a travel team Summer going into Jr year or should you just play tournaments with your HS team and do Showcases?

Trying to save for college and this seems a bit much. Bought into the travel concept in the early years and still believe it has paid off in skill and exposure and being in the know. But saving 20K instead of spending 6-8K a year on this seems like a better choice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jealous much?

Jealous? That's really funny.
Hey Express Mom. Go post on facebook about your son's accolades, ya know, and never post about anything that doesn't go exactly as planned. HAHAHA

More than a little jealous I see. Yes, I see you finally get it and are able to laugh at yourself...

You come here and spew sour grapes...Sorry things in your life aren't working out...should the rest of us not be happy because you are miserable?

Maybe just don't say anything if you don't have anything to say? Not you, you feel the need to bring everyone down to your level. I feel sorry for you!!!

You are going to get both ends of the spectrum on this, but I am gearing towards the playing for HS team and doing showcases. My son rising 10th grader, used to play travel and I got tired of spending all the money and the politics and all. He played for his hs team this year where we went to a number or showcase tournaments. Just got back from Hotbeds where 3 different coaches inquired about him. To me, that is enough especially being a rising 10th grader. His preference is a smaller school so he gets to play as well as experience college and not just lacrosse. Look into both approaches but you are right, the money being spent on travel could cover school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jealous much?

Jealous? That's really funny.
Hey Express Mom. Go post on facebook about your son's accolades, ya know, and never post about anything that doesn't go exactly as planned. HAHAHA

More than a little jealous I see. Yes, I see you finally get it and are able to laugh at yourself...

You come here and spew sour grapes...Sorry things in your life aren't working out...should the rest of us not be happy because you are miserable?

Maybe just don't say anything if you don't have anything to say? Not you, you feel the need to bring everyone down to your level. I feel sorry for you!!!

Laughing at you nut job. Sounds like I pegged u spot on. Don't worry about me and mine, all good here. Now go back to your self indulgent brag-a-thon... Post away. You just don't get it. Perhaps you should take just a morsel sized bite of some humble pie... No chance things might not go exactly the way you think three years from now eh? Nah, just keep bragging.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jealous much?

Jealous? That's really funny.
Hey Express Mom. Go post on facebook about your son's accolades, ya know, and never post about anything that doesn't go exactly as planned. HAHAHA

More than a little jealous I see. Yes, I see you finally get it and are able to laugh at yourself...

You come here and spew sour grapes...Sorry things in your life aren't working out...should the rest of us not be happy because you are miserable?

Maybe just don't say anything if you don't have anything to say? Not you, you feel the need to bring everyone down to your level. I feel sorry for you!!!

Laughing at you nut job. Sounds like I pegged u spot on. Don't worry about me and mine, all good here. Now go back to your self indulgent brag-a-thon... Post away. You just don't get it. Perhaps you should take just a morsel sized bite of some humble pie... No chance things might not go exactly the way you think three years from now eh? Nah, just keep bragging.

Brag-a-thon? Really? Maybe spend a few minutes reading and point out what comments offended you and reached the level of brag-a-thon...Perhaps recall that this particular series of comments was the result of some troll claiming that LIE team 1 fell apart. Was that you?

You are so transparent it is not even funny...You are one of those people that takes pleasure when other people fail aren't you? Like when your kid doesn't get to play, you hope the other kid in his spot fails...Such a sad way to go through life, but to each his own...

If not interested in hearing about good things that happen to some of the boys, don't come to this site, go somewhere else.

I know express north hired talent from extreme for u15 nationals. Did express long island do the same?
I know Mike C has been added players all season long to the disgust of the parents.
Can any on tell me if the hired talent?
FCA has 3 extreme team members on its team fl$- hired a bunch of talent.
Team long island had lite rosters 16 players I guess all there players could not make age.
Tell me Iam wrong but this just not seem right, if you want to impress me win with the 24 players you started the year with.

Why would anyone want to impress a buffoon? There's no reason to point out any facts because you won't listen to them. So what do we have? Let's see - you have nothing good to say about anyone or any team and you have appointed yourself as the arbiter of youth lacrosse. Just a jerk. And I'm not even pointing out that there's a difference between there and their (and they're, for that matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know express north hired talent from extreme for u15 nationals. Did express long island do the same?
I know Mike C has been added players all season long to the disgust of the parents.
Can any on tell me if the hired talent?
FCA has 3 extreme team members on its team fl$- hired a bunch of talent.
Team long island had lite rosters 16 players I guess all there players could not make age.
Tell me Iam wrong but this just not seem right, if you want to impress me win with the 24 players you started the year with.

MC adds boys throughout the season every year so it's nothing new. It seems all the team were running light and recruited assistance to play, what's wrong with that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know express north hired talent from extreme for u15 nationals. Did express long island do the same?
I know Mike C has been added players all season long to the disgust of the parents.
Can any on tell me if the hired talent?
FCA has 3 extreme team members on its team fl$- hired a bunch of talent.
Team long island had lite rosters 16 players I guess all there players could not make age.
Tell me Iam wrong but this just not seem right, if you want to impress me win with the 24 players you started the year with.

MC adds boys throughout the season every year so it's nothing new. It seems all the team were running light and recruited assistance to play, what's wrong with that?

I think all this "Championship" does is solidify Extreme as the best 2018 team - Express North and FCA, while good solid teams, wouldn't likely be here without the 91 kids.
And this isn't just about MC, etc...how many kids does 3D move in and out of rosters for stuff like this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know express north hired talent from extreme for u15 nationals. Did express long island do the same?
I know Mike C has been added players all season long to the disgust of the parents.
Can any on tell me if the hired talent?
FCA has 3 extreme team members on its team fl$- hired a bunch of talent.
Team long island had lite rosters 16 players I guess all there players could not make age.
Tell me Iam wrong but this just not seem right, if you want to impress me win with the 24 players you started the year with.

MC adds boys throughout the season every year so it's nothing new. It seems all the team were running light and recruited assistance to play, what's wrong with that?

Nothing. And this was an age based event, not grade and they checked and verified ages.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know express north hired talent from extreme for u15 nationals. Did express long island do the same?
I know Mike C has been added players all season long to the disgust of the parents.
Can any on tell me if the hired talent?
FCA has 3 extreme team members on its team fl$- hired a bunch of talent.
Team long island had lite rosters 16 players I guess all there players could not make age.
Tell me Iam wrong but this just not seem right, if you want to impress me win with the 24 players you started the year with.

MC adds boys throughout the season every year so it's nothing new. It seems all the team were running light and recruited assistance to play, what's wrong with that?

Nothing. And this was an age based event, not grade and they checked and verified ages.

The Express team did not do well, have not in years, the better kids will not play for Express.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know express north hired talent from extreme for u15 nationals. Did express long island do the same?
I know Mike C has been added players all season long to the disgust of the parents.
Can any on tell me if the hired talent?
FCA has 3 extreme team members on its team fl$- hired a bunch of talent.
Team long island had lite rosters 16 players I guess all there players could not make age.
Tell me Iam wrong but this just not seem right, if you want to impress me win with the 24 players you started the year with.

MC adds boys throughout the season every year so it's nothing new. It seems all the team were running light and recruited assistance to play, what's wrong with that?

Nothing. And this was an age based event, not grade and they checked and verified ages.

The Express team did not do well, have not in years, the better kids will not play for Express.

They lost 5-4 in the national semi final. That's pretty good. And undefeated up to that point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know express north hired talent from extreme for u15 nationals. Did express long island do the same?
I know Mike C has been added players all season long to the disgust of the parents.
Can any on tell me if the hired talent?
FCA has 3 extreme team members on its team fl$- hired a bunch of talent.
Team long island had lite rosters 16 players I guess all there players could not make age.
Tell me Iam wrong but this just not seem right, if you want to impress me win with the 24 players you started the year with.

MC adds boys throughout the season every year so it's nothing new. It seems all the team were running light and recruited assistance to play, what's wrong with that?

Nothing. And this was an age based event, not grade and they checked and verified ages.

The Express team did not do well, have not in years, the better kids will not play for Express.

They lost 5-4 in the national semi final. That's pretty good. And undefeated up to that point.

Still....haven't won in years! Coaching maybe?

Express is fine. Last won about 3 years ago.

3D National won two years ago. Players from all over the country. They do have an advantage. Not sure how far they went today but I am told they were excellent yesterday.

Ok this is funny people are on here saying Mike C is a bad coach. I feel the opposite. I have seen him turn mediocre teams into very good ones. No one thought they could compete at the U15 and they made it to the Semi finals losing to another Express team Express North by 1. Please tell me who of all the top teams is a good coach. Lets say the head coaches in 2018. Rank em please and ask yourself has anyone had as much success as director and head coach as MC. I am listing the teams in no particular order and the Long Island Teams that have been around and that I feel are the better teams. Ranking coaches.

Jesters
Extreme
91 Orange
Outlaws
fl$
Express Terps
Team LI

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok this is funny people are on here saying Mike C is a bad coach. I feel the opposite. I have seen him turn mediocre teams into very good ones. No one thought they could compete at the U15 and they made it to the Semi finals losing to another Express team Express North by 1. Please tell me who of all the top teams is a good coach. Lets say the head coaches in 2018. Rank em please and ask yourself has anyone had as much success as director and head coach as MC. I am listing the teams in no particular order and the Long Island Teams that have been around and that I feel are the better teams. Ranking coaches.

Jesters
Extreme
91 Orange
Outlaws
fl$
Express Terps
Team LI

Look what he did at UA! Had talent, squandered it! Typical!

To the person who is constantly bashing express and MC .you are so transparent.
Everyone knows your bitter because your boy got cut. Crawl back into your cave and cause more misery ,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the person who is constantly bashing express and MC .you are so transparent.
Everyone knows your bitter because your boy got cut. Crawl back into your cave and cause more misery ,

Nope, you have the wrong person. Just observing how greed and lies can cause the downfall of the once top club on LI. Now all the best players and coaches have gone to Legacy. It's just business. People are looking for the best product.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know express north hired talent from extreme for u15 nationals. Did express long island do the same?
I know Mike C has been added players all season long to the disgust of the parents.
Can any on tell me if the hired talent?
FCA has 3 extreme team members on its team fl$- hired a bunch of talent.
Team long island had lite rosters 16 players I guess all there players could not make age.
Tell me Iam wrong but this just not seem right, if you want to impress me win with the 24 players you started the year with.

Sorry Express LI "hired" no talent - just showed up with the same kids who played for them all year (minus a couple of D-I commits). Express North added 4 "hires" (3 from Extreme - 2 DI commits) + 1 Prime Time DI commit. FCA added a bunch of "hires" including a couple of Extreme DI commits and had kids from all over the country (about 13 DI commits in all). Don't know about 3d (who Express LI beat in pool play). With that North beat Express in semi-final by 1 (the "hires" scored 3 of their 5 goals) with Express LI getting 3 shots at end. Very close defensive battle. Express had beaten North (without their "hires") earlier this summer by 1. FCA beat North in the championship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the person who is constantly bashing express and MC .you are so transparent.
Everyone knows your bitter because your boy got cut. Crawl back into your cave and cause more misery ,

Nope, you have the wrong person. Just observing how greed and lies can cause the downfall of the once top club on LI. Now all the best players and coaches have gone to Legacy. It's just business. People are looking for the best product.

We'll see how many Terps are at tryouts. Rumor is MC turned off a lot of boys and they are sick of him, NOT hurt

LI Express parent here with a kid on the 2018 Terp 1 team - we had a great experience with the team this year and have had no problems at all with MC and will definitely be at the tryouts and if he makes the team will be back next year. - I do not find him to be dishonest at all in fact I think he is brutally honest and that hurts and or turns off some people.

As far as the U15's we had two players play that were not on the team the rest of the year so I do not think we can complain about other teams adding players for this tourney - most of the teams do it. We added a fogo to replace our injured fogo and bought up a 2019 to play up with us both nice players who helped us and played well, I don't think we can complain because other teams did the same thing but got higher quality new players then we did. You can't be a little pregnant you can't be a little guilty of bring new players and then point fingers either you did it or you didn't. Great weekend of lacrosse and I feel that the Express 1 represented themselves well.

From the scores, it seemed like the top teams at the U15 Nationals had multiple competitive games. Sounds like a lot of fun. FCA sure was an all-star team - just from the championship box you can see they added Duke, UNC, JHU, Maryland and Syracuse commits. In fact, didn't seem like many of the programs there were U9->HS programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From the scores, it seemed like the top teams at the U15 Nationals had multiple competitive games. Sounds like a lot of fun. FCA sure was an all-star team - just from the championship box you can see they added Duke, UNC, JHU, Maryland and Syracuse commits. In fact, didn't seem like many of the programs there were U9->HS programs.

Express North, Terps, FCA, fl$, Colorado and 3D Select all added hired guns. Some a bunch, some a few, all had. Only two teams to come with their actual teams that made quarter finals were Team LI and the LI Jesters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From the scores, it seemed like the top teams at the U15 Nationals had multiple competitive games. Sounds like a lot of fun. FCA sure was an all-star team - just from the championship box you can see they added Duke, UNC, JHU, Maryland and Syracuse commits. In fact, didn't seem like many of the programs there were U9->HS programs.

Express North, Terps, FCA, fl$, Colorado and 3D Select all added hired guns. Some a bunch, some a few, all had. Only two teams to come with their actual teams that made quarter finals were Team LI and the LI Jesters.

mediocre will always rise to the middle - seemed like both of the "pure" teams parents were talking a lot before the tournament but not much after

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From the scores, it seemed like the top teams at the U15 Nationals had multiple competitive games. Sounds like a lot of fun. FCA sure was an all-star team - just from the championship box you can see they added Duke, UNC, JHU, Maryland and Syracuse commits. In fact, didn't seem like many of the programs there were U9->HS programs.

Express North, Terps, FCA, fl$, Colorado and 3D Select all added hired guns. Some a bunch, some a few, all had. Only two teams to come with their actual teams that made quarter finals were Team LI and the LI Jesters.

mediocre will always rise to the middle - seemed like both of the "pure" teams parents were talking a lot before the tournament but not much after

And getting kids from better teams than your own so you can win an extra game, always teaches a great lesson. Something to be said for coming with your 'actual" team and doing your best. Clearly lost on someone like you who would rather watch an extreme player win the game for your kid while they watch on the sideline!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From the scores, it seemed like the top teams at the U15 Nationals had multiple competitive games. Sounds like a lot of fun. FCA sure was an all-star team - just from the championship box you can see they added Duke, UNC, JHU, Maryland and Syracuse commits. In fact, didn't seem like many of the programs there were U9->HS programs.

Express North, Terps, FCA, fl$, Colorado and 3D Select all added hired guns. Some a bunch, some a few, all had. Only two teams to come with their actual teams that made quarter finals were Team LI and the LI Jesters.

mediocre will always rise to the middle - seemed like both of the "pure" teams parents were talking a lot before the tournament but not much after

And getting kids from better teams than your own so you can win an extra game, always teaches a great lesson. Something to be said for coming with your 'actual" team and doing your best. Clearly lost on someone like you who would rather watch an extreme player win the game for your kid while they watch on the sideline!

Unfortunately that has become the trend in travel lacrosse. It is what it is and will only become worse!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From the scores, it seemed like the top teams at the U15 Nationals had multiple competitive games. Sounds like a lot of fun. FCA sure was an all-star team - just from the championship box you can see they added Duke, UNC, JHU, Maryland and Syracuse commits. In fact, didn't seem like many of the programs there were U9->HS programs.

Express North, Terps, FCA, fl$, Colorado and 3D Select all added hired guns. Some a bunch, some a few, all had. Only two teams to come with their actual teams that made quarter finals were Team LI and the LI Jesters.

mediocre will always rise to the middle - seemed like both of the "pure" teams parents were talking a lot before the tournament but not much after

And getting kids from better teams than your own so you can win an extra game, always teaches a great lesson. Something to be said for coming with your 'actual" team and doing your best. Clearly lost on someone like you who would rather watch an extreme player win the game for your kid while they watch on the sideline!

Unfortunately that has become the trend in travel lacrosse. It is what it is and will only become worse!

You are correct. It's just disappointing to see someone here making negative, ignorant comments about the teams and players doing the right thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From the scores, it seemed like the top teams at the U15 Nationals had multiple competitive games. Sounds like a lot of fun. FCA sure was an all-star team - just from the championship box you can see they added Duke, UNC, JHU, Maryland and Syracuse commits. In fact, didn't seem like many of the programs there were U9->HS programs.

Express North, Terps, FCA, fl$, Colorado and 3D Select all added hired guns. Some a bunch, some a few, all had. Only two teams to come with their actual teams that made quarter finals were Team LI and the LI Jesters.

mediocre will always rise to the middle - seemed like both of the "pure" teams parents were talking a lot before the tournament but not much after

And getting kids from better teams than your own so you can win an extra game, always teaches a great lesson. Something to be said for coming with your 'actual" team and doing your best. Clearly lost on someone like you who would rather watch an extreme player win the game for your kid while they watch on the sideline!

Unfortunately that has become the trend in travel lacrosse. It is what it is and will only become worse!

You are correct. It's just disappointing to see someone here making negative, ignorant comments about the teams and players doing the right thing.

Not really fl$'s style to add players during the year....are you sure about that one?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From the scores, it seemed like the top teams at the U15 Nationals had multiple competitive games. Sounds like a lot of fun. FCA sure was an all-star team - just from the championship box you can see they added Duke, UNC, JHU, Maryland and Syracuse commits. In fact, didn't seem like many of the programs there were U9->HS programs.

Express North, Terps, FCA, fl$, Colorado and 3D Select all added hired guns. Some a bunch, some a few, all had. Only two teams to come with their actual teams that made quarter finals were Team LI and the LI Jesters.

mediocre will always rise to the middle - seemed like both of the "pure" teams parents were talking a lot before the tournament but not much after

And getting kids from better teams than your own so you can win an extra game, always teaches a great lesson. Something to be said for coming with your 'actual" team and doing your best. Clearly lost on someone like you who would rather watch an extreme player win the game for your kid while they watch on the sideline!

Unfortunately that has become the trend in travel lacrosse. It is what it is and will only become worse!

You are correct. It's just disappointing to see someone here making negative, ignorant comments about the teams and players doing the right thing.

Not sure any of us are in the position to say who is/is not doing the right thing. Teams want to win, they do whatever it takes to do so. It's the nature of the beast. Moving forward, it will be extremely difficult for any team to be competitive unless they recruit for these high stakes tournaments. This model has shown to be very successful for teams like FCA and Sweetlax.

I agree but it happened!

There are probably 6-12 club teams per age group that will compete and win at the most competitive tournaments. Not sure how players that made the commitment for the summer feel when they bring in ringers just to win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From the scores, it seemed like the top teams at the U15 Nationals had multiple competitive games. Sounds like a lot of fun. FCA sure was an all-star team - just from the championship box you can see they added Duke, UNC, JHU, Maryland and Syracuse commits. In fact, didn't seem like many of the programs there were U9->HS programs.

Express North, Terps, FCA, fl$, Colorado and 3D Select all added hired guns. Some a bunch, some a few, all had. Only two teams to come with their actual teams that made quarter finals were Team LI and the LI Jesters.

mediocre will always rise to the middle - seemed like both of the "pure" teams parents were talking a lot before the tournament but not much after

Mediocre? I'm a TLI parent, and if beating the Dukes(twice), sweet lax and losing to FCA by 2 goals with our real team is mediocre? Then I am fine with it! All our kids play in all the games! We never lean on a few kids , while the rest stand around and clap! I am sure you are one of those pretentious parents from Xtreme who thinks that because you have a couple of studs (1/2 not even from LI) that it makes your 3 line middy any better. Keep clapping for the other kids and don't worry about our "mediocre" kids. They will be just fine!

I think we are. Adding players for a tournament and playing over kids who have been there all year is wrong. Don't see how you argue otherwise for a win? What are the "high stakes" you refer to? A medal and a write up for the kid who is not actually on your team?

Do the FCA players really get any satisfaction from winning w strangers? FCA is NOT a team! That is not the spirit here. It would never happen in another sport. you would not be able to hand in a roster the week of the event. It is pathetic!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know express north hired talent from extreme for u15 nationals. Did express long island do the same?
I know Mike C has been added players all season long to the disgust of the parents.
Can any on tell me if the hired talent?
FCA has 3 extreme team members on its team fl$- hired a bunch of talent.
Team long island had lite rosters 16 players I guess all there players could not make age.
Tell me Iam wrong but this just not seem right, if you want to impress me win with the 24 players you started the year with.

Sorry Express LI "hired" no talent - just showed up with the same kids who played for them all year (minus a couple of D-I commits). Express North added 4 "hires" (3 from Extreme - 2 DI commits) + 1 Prime Time DI commit. FCA added a bunch of "hires" including a couple of Extreme DI commits and had kids from all over the country (about 13 DI commits in all). Don't know about 3d (who Express LI beat in pool play). With that North beat Express in semi-final by 1 (the "hires" scored 3 of their 5 goals) with Express LI getting 3 shots at end. Very close defensive battle. Express had beaten North (without their "hires") earlier this summer by 1. FCA beat North in the championship.

So you are saying the Express LI FOGO who was there this weekend was on team all year?

Poaching kids from other club teams to win a U15 tournament. I think we hit a new low.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Poaching kids from other club teams to win a U15 tournament. I think we hit a new low.

No. The express parent said it is OK!! Only "mediocre" teams don't cheat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know express north hired talent from extreme for u15 nationals. Did express long island do the same?
I know Mike C has been added players all season long to the disgust of the parents.
Can any on tell me if the hired talent?
FCA has 3 extreme team members on its team fl$- hired a bunch of talent.
Team long island had lite rosters 16 players I guess all there players could not make age.
Tell me Iam wrong but this just not seem right, if you want to impress me win with the 24 players you started the year with.

Sorry Express LI "hired" no talent - just showed up with the same kids who played for them all year (minus a couple of D-I commits). Express North added 4 "hires" (3 from Extreme - 2 DI commits) + 1 Prime Time DI commit. FCA added a bunch of "hires" including a couple of Extreme DI commits and had kids from all over the country (about 13 DI commits in all). Don't know about 3d (who Express LI beat in pool play). With that North beat Express in semi-final by 1 (the "hires" scored 3 of their 5 goals) with Express LI getting 3 shots at end. Very close defensive battle. Express had beaten North (without their "hires") earlier this summer by 1. FCA beat North in the championship.

So you are saying the Express LI FOGO who was there this weekend was on team all year?

You got us there - Express FOGO (DI commit) got hurt earlier this tourney season and is out for the rest of the summer. Team played without a FOGO in one tournament (beat Express North in the that tourney) and then pulled in another FOGO for the last 2 tournaments. Not the same as Express North adding 4 players (3 DI commits) as extra players - not as injury replacements. And as described earlier also added a 2019 LSM for U15 tourney. Both very good players - neither have committed to play in college yet. And nothing like the team FCM put together just for U15.

Express north has played express for the last few years. Easy with your hired guns comment. The teams always play great games and get along .in the past all of the games have been great , both teams have won with an edge to LI . LI has brought players in at times for those games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know express north hired talent from extreme for u15 nationals. Did express long island do the same?
I know Mike C has been added players all season long to the disgust of the parents.
Can any on tell me if the hired talent?
FCA has 3 extreme team members on its team fl$- hired a bunch of talent.
Team long island had lite rosters 16 players I guess all there players could not make age.
Tell me Iam wrong but this just not seem right, if you want to impress me win with the 24 players you started the year with.

Sorry Express LI "hired" no talent - just showed up with the same kids who played for them all year (minus a couple of D-I commits). Express North added 4 "hires" (3 from Extreme - 2 DI commits) + 1 Prime Time DI commit. FCA added a bunch of "hires" including a couple of Extreme DI commits and had kids from all over the country (about 13 DI commits in all). Don't know about 3d (who Express LI beat in pool play). With that North beat Express in semi-final by 1 (the "hires" scored 3 of their 5 goals) with Express LI getting 3 shots at end. Very close defensive battle. Express had beaten North (without their "hires") earlier this summer by 1. FCA beat North in the championship.

So you are saying the Express LI FOGO who was there this weekend was on team all year?

You got us there - Express FOGO (DI commit) got hurt earlier this tourney season and is out for the rest of the summer. Team played without a FOGO in one tournament (beat Express North in the that tourney) and then pulled in another FOGO for the last 2 tournaments. Not the same as Express North adding 4 players (3 DI commits) as extra players - not as injury replacements. And as described earlier also added a 2019 LSM for U15 tourney. Both very good players - neither have committed to play in college yet. And nothing like the team FCM put together just for U15.

So it is true, but no way as bad as the other guys?? If the players are better, its worse? If the are not committed it is ok? All did the same thing, some just did it better. Congrats to the teams that came with their own rosters and competed!!

Who cares who won this tournament. A lot of good teams don't even go. There are so many tournaments out there now that you only have 2-3 with most of the top teams anyway. And this isn't one of them. I'm more interested in who the best "players" are in 2018 at this stage and who will continue to improve so they can get on the field in a few years. So are the coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares who won this tournament. A lot of good teams don't even go. There are so many tournaments out there now that you only have 2-3 with most of the top teams anyway. And this isn't one of them. I'm more interested in who the best "players" are in 2018 at this stage and who will continue to improve so they can get on the field in a few years. So are the coaches.

Many of the good teams "can't " go. That's the point. They are loaded with holdbacks, re classes and people just cheating. There were several division one colleges there who seemed to have an intrest.

Who cares who brought who. It was an age appropriate high level tourney that produced some great lax. Hopefully US lacrosee now makes changes to the age guidelines (for example, use every birth year, u9, u10, u11, not U9 u11 u13, etc). Kids playing on age up to u15 would be a path in would love to see.

The teams that played in to the tournament who have to play all star, made up teams and national teams probably care?

I agree with everything else you said. Would be great to be birth year based for youth.

Tryouts??? Anyone know or have insight into 'Bluefish Lacrosse?"

head coach from Hofstra started Bluefish

Originally Posted by Anonymous

head coach from Hofstra started Bluefish

did they have a team this year? if so, how was the program?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

head coach from Hofstra started Bluefish

did they have a team this year? if so, how was the program?

new program for next year - Hofstra HC, Hofstra Ast Coach and former Director of Express

What happened to Igloo's 2018 team. Not listed on tryout page.

Tryouts for Long Island Club teams at 2017. A word from experience.

A) Do not fall for the recruiting sell. Most of the top programs have their classes all filled up. Put your money into ACT/SAT prep it is way better spent.

B) If you get placed on the B team run. All B teams are mismanaged past 10th grade. You will show up to tournaments with 12 kids and no goalie. Go to a tournament in Mass and have 12 kids dressed for three games in 90 degree weather. Its a cluster#$@%.

C) Profesional Coaching: There is no focus on development, only on how cool a bucket hat they picked up for this tournament.

Again, Run if you are placed on the B team. They won't pull you up for that special tournament. They'll call on somebody from their 2018 squad because he's friends with the coach.

Run, Run, Run.