This thread will be used to discuss the Spring 2014 Nassau PAL League program, games, schedules, and results.

BOTC has received a copy of the rules for the Nassau PAL League for the Spring 2014 season and we have posted that information on the Rules and Regulations Forum.

Nassau PAL Rules - Spring 2014

Does anyone know or have in writing the PAL official rules for team split A/B/C or 'Even' ?(3rd-7th grade) Thanks in advance - Town Admin

In grades 2nd, 3rd and 4th the teams are to be split evenly.
As of 2 years ago, they allow you to have A and B teams in 5th and 6th grade if you enter the top team in the "A" division.

Hi, I am also interested in this question. Where are these rules stated? Does not say anything about how to set teams on the PAL website. Or even in the new 2014 rules.

NCPAL Directors got the rules in a email last week. Contact your director or coach they will have it.

So what you and the PAL are saying is that the 'A' division is clearly the 'best' division where the top teams reside (implying the 'D' division is the developmental division. B and C follow accordingly. All grade divisions same breakdown) Wonder what the likes of GC, Mnhst and CSH, among others, are going to say on the even split when their multiple 2nd/3rd and 4th grade teams are going to have to register in the same division. And will have to play each other on more than a couple of occasions, since they are now, as you say..'even' and cant play in separate (skill based) divisions - interesting concept. Will the PAL come in and evaluate towns with multiple teams to guarantee even splits and proper division placement?? Apologize, just calling it as it looks

on the boys side the 1st & 2nd grade is instructional and they are not supposed to keep score. 2nd & 3rd grade must be split evenly with no more than two teams in a division from a town. The divisions break down as Division 1,2,3,4..... In 5th and 6th grade they are permitted to stack an "A" Team comprised of the best players. this is for the larger towns like CSH, GC, FS, MANH, MASS, NPORT, SWR, SYSOS,3V, WI, PORT. After a town enters their A team they can enter their remaining teams in divisions 1,2,3,4.... with a maximum of two teams in any division.

For the girls it is simple. 1st & 2nd is instructional and they do not keep score. All othe Girls teams MUST BE BALANCED . Towns are not supposed to have tryouts and make A teams and C teams. So if your town has girls teams in 3rd grade through 7/8 grade the teams are supposed to be balanced if they are not they are not playing by the rules of NCPAL.

PAL is an opportunity for all kids to play ball and learn the game at all positions. It is all about the worst kids on the team,, not about the best. There are a ton of opportunities for the best kids to shine...club ball, select teams etc. PAL has modified rules, iits a greAt opportunity for your kid to play with his friends regardless of ability. We all like winning so we play yo win but lets not lose sight of what PAL is about.

I'd like to interject here. You have seemed to miss the point. If the league runs with an 'A' (#1) division, with B,C,D (to follow) and all teams are to split evenly sub 5th grade - Then all teams are so called 'Even'....correct?? and must enter a relative (skill based and SAME) division accordingly. What the above poster is saying is that if teams are equal within a specific town, they must play in an equal division (Example: With split, all of GC teams are now rated 93/100 - they should all play in a division which is comprised of other teams rated on or close to 93) They can't take 2 of their 4 teams and play in other lower divisions slated for teams who are rated 90< ... that is called 'stacking' and PAL is all about fair play and learning...right?? - I will lay it out for you: (Div1A=90-100 rating / D2B=80-89 / D3C=70-79 / D4D=60-69)From a mathematical view, the numbers just don't add up as it seems and no matter what, if a town with multiple teams registers even one of these so called 'even' teams in another lower division - It only shows that there is going to be an unfair advantage for that specific team (Ex: team rated 93 playing in a division slated for teams rated 80-89) PAL is all about learning and fun - Do you think it is a fair for an 81 to play a 93?? ...... or fun for that matter - then again, maybe for the 93 it is

Great post ^^^ So what is the PAL going to do about this now noticeable, maybe unforeseen stacking issue? it's obvious that towns with multiple teams that are split evenly can't rightfully, and justifiably play down. They would have to play in the same division. It is also apparent that these towns are at no fault of their own. I want my kids to have a good time and learn but not be killed in the process by those towns that have numerous teams entered in the league.

NCPAL is run on the honor system.... with that said many are not honorable.....
The boys towns that put "A" teams into the 5&6th grade divisions will only play against "A" teams . They all request to be in that division so they will have games against equally skilled teams. They are the towns that are not looking to be in div 2 and beat up on everyone . By entering into the "A" div. they are making their second and third teams that should be balanced weaker teams. You will most likely find them in div 2 and 3. Most towns will have a large drop off from the "A" team to their second team and so on. in the rare instance that the second team is strong that town should place that team into div 1. Is it a perfect system ..... Only if the directors control the crazy coaches that want to stack teams and put them in div 2 to beat up on everyone. Since NCPAL is now on the Horizon system. They have computer printouts of last years team records. Now they can look at a teams record from last year and see if they pounded everyone they played. Now they can ignore the coaches request to stay in that lower division and move them up to the higher division where they belong. You should see an improvement this year. As a director in my town I request a team be moved down if they only have 2 wins and move them up if they have 2 losses.

That is a bunch of junk. PAL has required the boys directors to report the scores for years. Nothing is going to change. If you're director is a member of the good old boy network, you get to do whatever you want with your teams. If he is not, you are out of luck!

Honor System??

Three Village was sending "A" teams to beat up on everyone for years. I guess they are one of the leagues that you term not honorable.

Hahaha 'Good Old Boy Network'.....Isn't that the truth - Isn't it a shame that the PAL runs with their own set of politics, rules and bylaws. (But only if it benefits certain parties) If you are not in, you are out. What would benefit the kids of Long Island that much more would be if the PAL disbands, and USLacrosse comes in and runs a full Long Island League with their national set of recognized rules and regulations. Its done here on LI with Hockey and Soccer, why not Lacrosse??

Nothing like PAL and a town team claiming they are a C or D level and they wipe up on an honest PAL program/director.

Let's face it, some guys are all about winning..and I get it at 6,7,8 grade age ... But at 3 and 4 grade levels? Ive been in it for 6 years now, and it is commonplace

So pathetic that PAL which us run by the "old boys club" (literally) has one set if rules for the boys but a different set if rules for the girls. Why can't the girls have "A" teams?

Seems like this discussion went off track a little. Question is, what can be done about towns with mutiple (3+) teams and them registering 'even' teams in separate skill based divisions? this seems to be an honest even-split issue. And again, it is apparent it's not the towns fault and it is understood them not wanting to play 3 or more teams from the same town. There has to be a logical, if not ethical solution to this problem. Guess the PAL pro decided not to chime in on this issue.....that's no surprise

Suprise suprise im back ...sorry I had a PAL coaches meeting. There are not many towns that can put in three teams in one division. So you must be talking about GC and Manhasset Farmingdale .....towns. Its a problem most towns wish they had. In my town we only have one age group with 3 teams . We take the top 36 and make two balanced teams out of them and ask to be in div 1 and take all of the newer players and kids that couldn't realistically play against div 1 players and put them on a div 3 team where they usually at best go .500 every season. Our two teams are balanced and strong but never go undefeated. Every game is competeive 1-2 goal games. That is the best I can give as a logical solution to our towns way of dealing with the problem. Maybe this new A team format will solve the issue . The "A" teams will take all of the select players off of the balanced teams and create a all star team to play against other all star teams. That will make the remaining teams weaker so the towns can have their other two teams in div 2. We will not participate in the "A" division.

So in essence you are making a stacked (yet even) team/s for Div 2. Nice!!!

The girls have LISGYLL in 7th and 8th grade for A and B teams. They should probably have this is 6th grade as well but doubtful that PAL will make those changes on the girl side. Easier for scheduling to only have balanced team.

I was told that one 6th grade girls team in particular is having A & B.

Easier for who? PAL ? So it's OK for the boys and not the girls. Come on it's 2014!!

Yes for PAL. I agree that it is BS that the boys have it and girls dont. Goes back to the "old boys club" mentality.

Why aren't you participating in the A division?

How do you tell a kid that he was good enough to play for you since second grade but now he isn't good enough in sixth. We will keep our balanced teams and finish what we started.

I respect your honesty, truly I do - thank you.....And I am asking the same question - why are you not registering your best 18 kids in the 'A' Division?? Which would only make them better players might I add - From what I learned at my 'coaches meeting' is that any town that divides A/B MUST register their 'A' team(s) in division 1 - why not just make an A div team of 18? then have a team in B and your newer kids in D?.....it sounds like you are registering with an 'Even Split' though (can be done at all grades) - but in essence, you are not splitting evenly ---- Right here my friends is the problem - there are so many ways to skirt the PAL system. It is extremely flawed in more ways than one. I am sure there are numerous kids who have been left back on these so called B teams as well

Does anyone know the actual date PAL opened up to start registering players??

Rosters were due to the league on Friday, February 7th. The girls seeding meeting is this coming Tuesday, February 11th with the boys seeding meeting scheduled for Thursday, February 13th.

Scheduling will follow and should be completed by March 15th.

The eight game season will begin during the final weekend of March.

Each town has their own registrations/sign ups on different dates. Our town had the sign ups in December.

My question is, what is the earliest date towns can start their spring registrations? Nov 30th, Dec 15th etc etc - or does it really matter? As long as they get their rosters in by 2/7....correct?

I think the problem is that some towns have much deeper talent pools. The top 18 from one town could beat the pants off the top 18 from another. Some towns can probably put two teams in the A division by splitting the top 30 kids. I don't know if I am misunderstanding but the bigger towns seem to have a big advantage here. Even teams seems a lot more fair.

Yes

Can anyone recommend an organization in Nassau County for my Kindergarten daughter. We just recently moved to Long Island she played last year in a Peewees program in Brooklyn. It seems that our town PAL doesn't have an age appropriate division for her. Thanks

Little Laxers at the HUB in Syosset or Unlimited Sports in Port Washington Both have K programs.

Play catch with your daughter.

What town do you live in?

Dalernation also does thing for pre-k and up.

Cold Spring Harbor has a K-2 group.

If you could tell us what town you now live in it will be simple to direct you to the nearest town that has a K program.

Leave him alone you bunch of vulchers.

Sorry about the late reply. We live in North Bellmore. And for the person that said play catch thanks I never thought of that. My little one played in a PeeWees program in Brooklyn. She had a blast it was coed so I figured to continue it out in LI. Daddy gets boring very quickly. Also I have two older daughters who play and she just wants to do what they are doing. I'm not pushing her to play she wants to and all I want is for my kids to be healthy and have fun.

Is this from the Twilight Zone or something. You want your kids to have fun . And play coed with other little 6 yr olds. That can't work out. Didn't you know some of these 6 yr olds are already on A teams and their Fathers think they will be going to Duke. Hope you enjoy LI. Along with the high taxes , traffic all the time , News12 , the Lax Moms and Dads are nuts. Welcome. Anyway I wouldn't want to live in any other place.

It's ironic that Dalernation is being brought up on a PAL discussion. That group has created quite a divide in youth lacrosse in their town. Their has been a significant decrease in players signed up for Farmingdale PAL.

I'm just looking for a place for my daughter(s) to have fun. I understand the nature of this beast.Did I realize A teams are being formed that young no. Again I just moved out here. I see it has become in some organizations a business. I just came on these boards to get some info. It seems as if these boards are more for families that take lax to a different level. Did I bring it upon myself to say I wanted my kindergarten kid to join a program yes but the program she was in was skill building, exercises where they ran around playing monster tag and freeze tag, passing kick balls around, stretching, jogging and than some stick work. Again if anyone knows of a program that has coaches that care about the little laxers in the same way in the vicinity of Bellmore/Merrick I would appreciate it.Thanks for the previous posts for places. Maybe playing catch might be the best alternative! Signed Rod Serling.

My sarcasm wasn't meant for you. It was about what this youth lacrosse forum has become. I do applaud your sincerity with the young kids. That's what it should be about.
Lol about the Rod Serling.

Thanks I see these boards can get pretty fired up and I knew you would appreciate the Rod joke. Again I think you and I are on the same page. Thanks for the reply I'm a construction worker if you can't take a good ribbing than you don't belong. Again anyone out there that knows of a good non competitive program for Kindergarten girls please post. Have a great week with the kids !!!

Try Wantagh they are near N Bellmore and a big lax town.

No K Lax in Wantagh Clinic for 1st and 2nd Grade

try Garden City or West Islip

Can someone explain to me how the PAL league works for 7th and 8th grade? Considering most boys will be playing for their Middle School teams and practicing 5-6 days a week, are they required to practice after Middle School practice with their PAL team? Thanks.

Usually there is no practice for PAL. They just play games. Most all of the games are on Sunday, so there is no conflict. PAL now takes a back seat to the school teams.

When are they going to get rid of Howell. The guy is a joke and surrounds himself with enablers. He has been out of touch or blatantly manipulates the divisions for years. Just a few observations: Farmingdale playing in division 3 and 4???...the mighty Dalers? how can that be? 5th Grade Franklin Square in division 4? 6th grade Manhasset in division 3 and 4? 3rd grade Bellmore has a team in Division 1 and division 4?...aren't you supposed to evenly divide your teams at this age? 5th grade CSH in division 4 (isn't that Team Igloo), Massapequa and West Islip playing whatever division they can win? Better off playing in Cantiague or Oyster bay league, from my experience they attempt to evenly match the teams week after week.

Sounds like you have detailed knowledge about this year.

You must be the ONE who is OUT of Touch in 5th grade there is an "A" Division. That why some of those teams are in Div. 4 all best kids on "A" team ....so slow down PAL

So I understand because you may be right that I am out of touch, in fifth grade there is an A and a B bracket... A is the better bracket, so division 4 in the A bracket is the worst division in the better bracket? Btw...if you use full sentences people will understand you PAL.

These are the towns that are in the "A" divisions for 5th and 6th grade for this spring.
The A division is only available in these grades. For some reason West Islip backed out in the 6th grade. These divisions will provide excellent competition for the top teams from these towns. Most of these towns also have other teams that are in lower divisions. Those divisions are more developmental.

5th Grade
C.S.H.
G.C.
Franklin Sq.
Manhasset
Massapequa
Northport
S.W.R.
Syosset
3 Village
West Islip

6th Grade
C.S.H.
G.C.
Manhasset
Massapequa
Northport
S.W.R.
3 Village

Yeah. Some of these middle schools teams have huge rosters and they have all kinds of goofy playing time rules. The blow comment is correct, usually no practices just games. They have strict 7th grade , strict 8th and combo 7/8 .

Thank you, I am the original poster, I will expect no PAL practices if my son makes his Middle School team.

Do you have other
Divisions/grades to post??

i believe huntington and long beach are in A division 6th grade as well

No, they are not.
They are both in division 1, not the A division. Both of these towns, along with West Islip chose to stay out of the A division in 6th grade. Each town that plays PAL was given the opportunity to put a team in "A" division in 5th and 6th grades.
5th grade has 10 towns in their A division, 6th grade only has 7.

why is West Islip sandbagging ?

Where is this information coming from, before everyone gets excited have we confirmed this is accurate info?

According to Nassau PAL website calendar, they had the boys seeding meeting last Thursday (2/13) - FYI

PAL released the divisions this weekend. The lists of the "A" divisions are correct.

Does anybody know why PAL Lax doesn't have a web site where you can view divisions and schedules like soccer does?

No West Islip has entered 3 6th grade balanced teams that went 500 in the same divisions they were in last year and also have entered a 5/6 combo team.

Where are these 'released' divisions?? Can someone post a link or attachment

All directors received the seeding brackets for all divisions to check that their teams are placed in the correct divisions

They were given to the directors of PAL towns. They are not posted on line.

It is PAL Lacrosse. Let the kids learn how to play. I do not think you are going to see any college coaches on the sidelines.

Does anyone know if the deadline to submit rosters has passed? My son plays in one of the towns with an A team and a second team but it appears the kids not picked for the second team may not have a place to play this spring, everyone is tight lipped right now. He wants to play but at this point, I am not sure what his options are. I am thinking I should see if there are any towns looking to pick up players if it's not too late.

The deadline for rosters was February 7th.

The rosters can be amended until the end of the month. What grade and town are you from?

Rosters can be updated until March 1st

Which towns have teams in 5th "A" division.

Look at page 4 of this discussion

your a dusche..always has to be a moron on here..this guys asking a valid question and wants to get his daughter involved
...lesson of the day: if you cant add value keep your mouth shut..

I prefer not to answer at this point. I don't want to spread any panic or more confusion. But I do appreciate the info.

GC has equal teams, no "A" team.

GC went to A and B this year for 5th grade. Look at there web page

I think many of you are confusing boys with girls. Boys NCPAL are allowed to for A,B,C teams in 5th & 6th grade only. Girls teams must enter balanced teams in every grade.

That is because GC and wi 7th grade had the dads that pushed things... Now that they are out of PAL. What are the next towns to care. Do the crush boys play pal?

Not sure I understand what you are saying about GC and WI 7th grade dads pushing things. Are you sayihng it was good, bad? What are you implying about the 5th and 6th? That they care or they don't care?

6th grade Long Beach is a joke

nice answer any reason why ?

No reason to bash anyone. It's youth town ball.

Hey Cage - Any chance of splitting this thread into Boys and Girls? I think it would help to clear up some of the confusion regarding different rules and guideline for the two genders. Thanks.

Previous poster knew the teams in 6th grade A division. Anyone know who is in D1 for 6th grade?

an angry parent with an attitude lol

Kings Park
Port Washington
Long Beach/Pt. Lookout
Mineola
West Islip(2 teams)
Huntington(2 teams)
Garden City(B)

Thanks

Looks like an evenly matched division

Based on what? How can you possibly tell at this point?

I thought Kings Park is in Suffolk...

So is West Islip

Most of the good Suffolk teams play in the Nassau PAL league -West Islip, Northport, SWR, Three Villages, etc. While the addition of these team is good for competition, it's actually kind of annoying for the Nassau teams who have to travel.

Yeah, please fill us in with your infinite wisdom - to call ANY town, team or group of kids a 'joke' .....is in fact a joke itself - you will need to back your opinion up with some facts as to why.....not to mention you hid behind an Anonymous post cutting a specific team of boys down - which makes you not only a jerk, but a coward as well

In response to the above poster talking about Suffolk teams in Nassau PAL -- What PAL should do is if a team from Suffolk wants to play in the Nassau County PAL league - Any games against Nass. County teams should be AWAY (Only have home games if they play another Suff. team) .... but than again, who am I to suggest something sensible

Can anyone let me know when the Nassau PAL officially starts? TY

First games are the last weekend of March. Their calendar is cut off at the bottom, but you can work back from the second games:
http://ncpallacrosse.com/pdfs/2014_Lacrosse_calendar.pdf

makes lots of sense..

Any news on the Oyster Bay Lacrosse League for Spring 2014? I would have thought they would have their own thread by now. Maybe I missed it.

OBLL started first week in March last year. Obviously not the case this year. It would be nice to get an idea when it will start.

Does anybody know when the PAL season starts? Hopefully the season starts sooner than last year any girl that plays travel will be away the first weekend of June at a tournament.

There is almost always a conflict between the PAL Festival and
the Start of Summer Travel Lacrosse. PAL Organization(Leadership for Lacrosse) really does not care,it is always brought up to run the Festival sooner so there is no conflict with Summer travel but it does not happen. The Response to any who questions it is if you want to find the fields and run with go ahead.

Does anyone scroll back to see if a question they ask has been answered earlier?

I thought the former Turf Island 2021 Team, that is now playing for Icon has a bunch of Rockville Centre players. Why wouldn't the R.V.C. 5th grade PAL team go in the A division if that's the case? Wouldn't you rather challenge the team, than go 8-0 and have the 3 pass rule every game?

Who says these kids play PAL? RVC also has a travel program. Many kids play there and a club team, but not PAL.

First game is supposed to be next week end!

has pal schedule come out yet?

PAL SEASON STARTS LAST WEEKEND OF MARCH

They sent the schedule out to the guys who guys who run each town. It shows who you play and where. Each town fills in the starting time slots for all of their home games this week and submits them next weekend.

This falls under the rules category but applies to PAL. Where did the kids, coaches and officials come up with the "modified" body check where as they touch two hands together on the stick and push the other player. I have asked PAL and game officials for clarification but nobody can give me a straight answer. Rules say no checking at some ages....

Is Icon an "a" team ? hear a lot of good things about this team is the one to beat with a stacked roster.

The Icon team is the old Turf Island team. A bunch of RVC and Franklin Sq kids I believe.They are pretty good. dont think they are as good Igloo or 91s A team

That A team was beat over weekend in rockstar league by the express so called b team so I guess the statement the "team to beat" is now past tense as I stayed behind after our game and witnessed this outcome .

What is the COLOR scheme all about with PAL this year?
So the coaches that sandbag cannot pound their chests any longer?

Looks like we are a "white" team. Can someone share what the colors are supposed to mean?

The yellow divisions in 5th and 6th grade are the A divisions.
Not sure what the other colors mean.

Just because you have been around the longest doesn't make you the A team.

What grade was this? Was it the Icon "A" team if 2021? They also have a "B" 2021 team. Winter does not mean much but that would be a shock if it was 2021 "A". Nothing against Express "B" team who I have never seen play but people always say turf Island "A" 2021 is a top 4 team.

Are you sure it was not the ICON 2021 "B" team?

It was Icon Orange Detommaso which is the A team , the team that we played and lost to was the express Blue. A very tough physical game to say the least . Indoor means nothing and time will tell , but have to say the express team is good , don't be fooled . this should be an interesting summer season with team coming out from the woodwork .

The 2021 express B team is not the B team. They have just been put together.

What does it mean they are not the "B" team? Does Express have 2 "A" teams? Maybe Icon lost to the "B" team with some of the "A" players playing for them. Does anyone know?

who cares this is a NCPAL thread!

I agree. Lets keep the club conversations out of this blog.

Has the boys PAL Schedule been released to directors yet??

No

No

Doesn't the season start in 2 weeks?

In our town we historically get the schedule a week before the season starts. Just keep every Sunday except Easter and Memorial Day open until mid June

Directors have the schedules of who they are playing for 2 weeks. Times and locations have to be fine tuned but the process is well underway if not finalized.

...you are obviously not from my town

NC PAL site shows finalized tomorrow (15th).
Let's see how quickly they get to coaches & parents.

Have a good season!

Anyone knows when the PAL schedules will go out to the towns???

Your coach should have your schedule already they have been finalized and sent back to the directors of each town.

That's funny. Not in my town...the cronies are finalizing the best practice fields and opponents for themselves. Haves and have nots...just like they do with the players. Gotta be a member of the 'club'!

They are still finalizing the start times.

These idiots treat this info like it is highly confidential, top secret material. Most PAL directors are Ego maniac, control freaks.

[quote=Anonymous]These idiots treat this info like it is highly confidential, top secret material. Most PAL directors are Ego maniac, control freaks.

Just a friendly tip don't make plans for the March 29th-30th weekend that's opening week for most teams

If they are such control freaks why not offer to do the job yourself and put with the BS from the main Board and parents who have no idea what is going on. Oh wait I know the Salary these Directors receive make it all worth while.

Many people do...but they aren't allowed into the inner circle.

+1

Schedules should be with the coaches now and ready for release.

Schedules have finally been released.

How? There is nothing up on the Horizon system so nothing is offical...

Can someone post it, yhx. Our Club usually lags a week behind the rest of the world

You are lucky ... our town is like 2-3 years behind and still going in reverse

Nothing yet, will it be posted in the NC PAL website?

Now that's funny. Someone may submit it here and it may get posted on this website, but PAL itself will not.

I doubt it based on previous years.

You mean there's a PAL schedule?? thought we just wing it

When are girls PAL games Sat/Sun or both?? New to all of this and haven't received schedule yet for my daughters team (Friends son has his). Coach says Sunday but I also heard Sat, figured this would be the best place to find out. thank you

Mostly Sundays, but sometimes Saturday.

The final, final boys schedule with all the start times were sent to the directors tonight.
This was the longest delay in its release in a very long time.

Any reason why the delay?

It seems Rumsfeld and Cheney were overwhelmed more then ever.

Was the girls schedule also sent to the directors?

Thank you!

Not yet - hopefully this weekend.

LOL. Hopefully its out by next weekend rumor is thats when the season begins.

BOYS SCHEDULES HAVE BEEN RELEASED.

Please post, thank you.

Can someone post the boys pal schedule if available?

Hope you received it...we are still waiting for distribution from our village, after being promised it three days ago. Oh, the powers that be...

Wonder what the reason for delay is gonna be this time...and why it can't be posted on HorizonWeb under the docs section is beyond ridiculous.

My understanding for the girls at least is that some teams dropped out at the last minute forcing divisional realignments and scheduling changes. While unforseen issues are to be expected, the lack of a schedule less than one week before the season start boils down to poor planning and administration.

The girls schedule was released to the coordinators over the weekend.

As a coach, are we still using Horizon? nothing on their site yet (schedule, field location, opposing coach contact info) - cutting this one close if so

The Horizon site is now update with all but 2nd grade but the master is now in the Doc section.

Full schedule is up on PAL website. "www.ncpallacrosse.com" - FYI

Where is the Girls schedule?

Nassau PAL is a joke. The rosters are out and the age of some of these kids make me laugh. Their strict rule under no circumstance are 2nd graders allowed to play up but a 3rd grade team can have a kid born in 2/04 or a 4th grade team can have a kid born in 03. I am glad they are looking out for the kids

It goes by grade not by birthday so if a girl is born Dec 2003 then she is def a 4th grader because she probably didn't make the cutoff for that school district. NO one knows the situtaion stop assuming all towns are like this. Most are fair.

You're talking about 3rd and 4th grad lacrosse. Go get a life

Unfortunately, there will be a bunch of games canceled this opening weekend. Most of the grass fields weren't really ready for play because of the crazy winter, and they will be getting a couple inches of rain tomorrow and Sunday.

No I am talking about putting kids in danger. I know it goes by grade and not age but having a kid 2 years older than some can be a problem. Like I said a joke. They specifically state 2nd graders can't play up but once a kid is in 3rd he can play against someone 2 years older.

It's about common sense people that's all

Danger!? A little dramatic,no?

there are no age rules in lacrosse. PAL coaches break the rules because they are just following the dishonest travel programs who lie all the time to win those bogus titles

Good luck everyone today, just go and have FUN!!!

Can anybody please answer these 2 questions for me?

1 in girls lax does 2 yellow cards = a red card

2 if a girl receives a red card is she out for the game and her team has to play with a player down for the rest of the game?

Thank you

I'm going by US Lacrosse Rules (not PAL - they may be different). 2 yellows does not equal a red. A red is out for this game and the next game. 2 yellows is out for the rest of the game but can play in the next game. A red card does not mean you have to play down the entire game. Playing man down is based on the total number of cards you receive. Should a team receive its fourth card (yellow or red) of the game they will play short for the remainder of that game, including overtime, and an additional player will be removed from the game and enter the penalty area for each subsequent card received. The carded player will serve the entire two or four-minute penalty time. When the penalty time expires, she may return to the game only if she has not been suspended (second yellow card) or ejected (red card) and only if another player leaves the field using normal substitution procedures.

From the PAL rules:

Issuance of Cards
Player receiving yellow will serve a 2-minute, a red card will serve a 4 minute penalty and the team will play short below each restraining
line. A player who receives a yellow or red card will serve the penalty in their team bench area. All penalties are non-releasable. Anyone
receiving 2 yellow cards in the game will be suspended from further participation in the game. Anyone receiving a Red card will be
suspended from further participation in that game and the team’s next game. Should a team receive its fourth card of the game they will play
short for the remainder of the game, and an additional player will be removed from the game for each subsequent card received. Any card
given to a player or head coach will count toward their team’s cumulative total. The carded player will serve the 2 minute penalty time and she
may return to the game only if she has not been suspended or ejected and only if another player leaves the field using normal substitution
procedures. If the coach is carded, the coach must designate a player who will serve the penalty. If the player receiving the yellow card is the
goalkeeper and there is no dressed goalkeeper for the team, the goalkeeper may remain in the game and the coach will designate another
field player on the field to take the penalty. If a Coach is issued a red card, the coach will be ejected from the playing area, and reported to the
PAL Ethics Chair. If there is no replacement coach, the game will end and the other team will be declared the winner.
Umpires have the authority to issue a “Post Game” Red Card to any player or coach for actions that would have

Does Nassau PAL allow guest players? Can a player be registered in Suffolk PAL play for a team there and also be registered for a Nassau PAL team?

Thank you in advance if anybody knows the answers.

we have out of towners playing on our pal team

The policy for players is they have to play for the town they reside in or get a release from their town organization. If your town does not have a PAL or a team for that grade, then the player can look at an alternative PAL club. When the teams are registered, the powers at be are suppose to check where the players reside as well as the age of the players.

Does that always happen? Can you get around these policies?
How important is it to you for your son/daughter to play on a different YOUTH team than where you live?

Happens all the time. Just get a look at the Mineola PAL roster. Granted some towns surrounding Mineola do not have their own PAL organizations and thats where they play. I do know for a fact that our thwma which has ots own PAL has lost several players to Mineola. When I asked our coach he said they wanted to play with other friends and he wasnt going to pursue it. I thought kids had to play within their school district if they had a PAL.

What happens if the coach takes all his sons friends, and the the team sucks. Can you then go to another town? lol

What happens when a coach takes all the good players from his town and leaves PAL to persue advanced opportunities? lol

I happen to agree with you. And if an older kid uses his larger mass and speed to break little junior's leg, then people would understand what you mean by dangerous. There should be an age cutoff, not by grade.

Nassau County Youth Football League enforces a strict age cut-off for football. In our town we even have an age cut-off for baseball......And yet the hold backs persist and are even arguably encouraged by the rules in lacrosse. A year makes a big difference in youth sports, particularly when there is contact involved. HS and college are a different thing, but this should not be going on when they are young kids.

Ice hockey is age specific, soccer is age specific...come on Lacrosse, get with it. Unfortunately, the control freaks running the PAL clubs are the biggest offenders, sad....

There are no rules in lacrosse. Even the youth national championships in Florida had top guns and YJ's trading barbs on illegal players. Its an absolute joke. Big money being made on the travel lacrosse CRACK. Tighten up the ages and issue player cards!!!

I'm not sure what you are talking about here... There were no illegal players in the championship tournament in Florida.. And birth certificates were collected and checked prior to games being played.. That tourney is U15.. If you are not 16 by the cut off date you can play.. Regardless of high school grad year.
Player cards would be fine for PAL, or travel though.

Parents need to inform coaches if the have Special Needs children participating
Saw a stick weilding incident over theweekend. Someone could get really hurt

[quote=Anonymous]we have out of towners playing on our pal team

Why?

Some towns don!t have PAL programs or their townPAL team ends at middle school, so programs are allowed to accept players from other towns as long as a team in the players home town doesn't! Exist in that grade.

Some towns don!t have PAL programs or their townPAL team ends at middle school, so programs are allowed to accept players from other towns as long as a team in the players home town doesn't! Exist in that grade.

Well some towns think if they take a kid who plays suffolk pal that doesn't count. They can take that kid and roster them onto their nassau pal team which allows them to play both leagues.

I saw a 210 lb kid run over a 120 lb kid this week. Let the special needs kid play. you'll be OK.

Any news on the 2015 Pal schedule?

Schedule has been sent out to all Directors this week. Check with your PAL Coach or town Director.

I know our director doesn't follow that rule and our neighboring town doesn't either. Its not monitored. Its left up to the directors. Good luck.

Really I am a director and still have yet to receive a final schedule

First drafts and rough schedule only. It takes another 4 or 5 tries to get it finalized.

It's only 3/19, what is the rush? lol

Now you sound like suffolk

Opening day is 3/29 the schedule is supposed to be out by the end of this week

Should be done 3/28

Final Boys schedule was e-mailed last night. Still collecting game times from the home teams for the Girls.

Where can I find the girls schedule?

Read post immediately above yours - not done yet.

I wonder if the 4 day notice given by SCGL for the make up clinic next week and the finger printing disaster at the first clinic if all the coaches are going to meet the leagues requirements before next Sunday's game.

There are no requirements. The same nonsense every year. The instructors and officials that were there did not know current rules etc. Overcrowded and unstructured waste of time.

All these classes etc and you still have lunatics in the sidelines so really what is the purpose

I was forwarded an email that if coaches did not go to the make-up clinic they would not be allowed to coach. I wonder if other towns have as many coaches as we do that this is causing a lot problems.

Our pal club is dying so we only have to worry about a few coaches

If your PAL club dies what other options are there for a spring ? Just tournaments? I would love to break away from our town club team it's been hi jacked and it's not so fun anymore!

yes it is a problem. it's almost making it prohibitive to coach.

What town

It's all PALitics

I'm curious to know how it was hijacked because ours is a disaster too. Can you elaborate without naming names?

You can ask for a release and play in a neighboring town

Unless your director stonewalls you like ours did.

CSH??

Not Nasser Suffolk. South shore new director who claims to be the biggest organization

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The parents who are self proclaimed coaches/ directors/board members - that's how.

No did they do it too? Our directorc is on a power trip. Cant wait till my kid is done.

Well, I see one town (from way out east) broke away from their psycho daddy coach/board, and is playing in Nassau PAL and not in SCGL!

Rocky Point

It is Nassau for us. Bad guy running our town. Who stops a 10 year old from playing lacrosee? I wont expose him till my kid is done. He is on Boards and affiliated with the Lizards. He has anger issues and has no business coaching and or directing youth sports.

Same thing is going on in Suffolk. I know SSC(Sachem) 6th grade north boys team has been hijacked by outsiders not in the district. They have recruited players from my son's 91 team & elsewhere (not neighboring towns) to play. Also have chronic PAL troublemaker from Center Moriches involved. Not a "town team" but will attempt to play in a town league and tourneys. SCPAL should intervene since this is against their own rules but they probably won't. What a joke!!

I think our PAL is down to 7 teams in total. I think we had 16 or so just a few years ago

PAL has really turned into a B player league

Go to nassau PAL
Girls is very good!!!

Oh the horror you must be subjected to. You mean your off-spring has to actually play with such lowly B/C players. Don't these kids know they are terrible and will never be any good. Why do they waste their time and more importantly- your time. Why even have a recreational league where kids can play a game to have some fun and play with their friends. It is very clear to me that kids who will never play in college or even high school for that matter, should never share a field with more athletic children. They may cause these superior beings to lose a full ride athletic scholarship down the road because they played with inferior competition. I mean if a kid can't shoot with both hands by 5th grade, why bother !

I totally agree with you. The problem is coaches and directors thinking those not so skilled kids are expendable. Our town does not distinguish the PAL from the club team it formed. They weed out the weak. Its sad. They are on power trips living in their glory days.

PAL also has many kids who don't want to be there but mom and dad are pushing it.

So sad. Now that there are all these travel and club teams everyone is ready to shelve PAL. How quickly everyone forgets where the travel kids first learned their love of the sport. And for a very small fee of like $100. Would you really pay $2200 so you child could "try" a sport and see if he likes it? Doubtful. PAL is a program based on volunteers and doing something for the greater good of the community. And I think these little 10/11/12 year old "elite" players should play with the less skilled kids. It's a good thing to do to keep a great program running and hopefully it makes them more grounded gentlemen with their egos in check. It's part of what will make them better adults. We should all try to remember where we came from and not be so quick to stick our noses up because we were blessed with a skilled child. And if your child was one of the other kids........

Our school literally has to ask kids to play VARSITY in the school hallways! The travel players have hijacked the program and pushed everyone out so our PAL is crumbling and our school teams are suffering. There should be a place for everyone regardless of skill level.

Any coaches receive their PCA badges yet? First game is a week away -- what a mess

Problem is PAL doesn't police itself and enforce their own rules. It is well known both in Nassau and Suffolk that coaches and directors on their power trips stack their "town" teams with kids from outside their own towns just for the sake of winning to make themselves feel and look good, which it doesn't. This is done at the expense of kids who actually live in these towns and the school districts they are in. These players don't get the chance to develop due to the coaches own selfish desires to win....yeaaaaay!!, the kids don't really matter. If this is what these coaches want then go play in the Oyster Bay league and try to compete there, leave PAL for truly town based teams as it was meant to be. Don't get me wrong, I think PAL and the people running it are generally good and well intended but they need to weed out the people corrupting both leagues(Nass./Suff.) and need to be willing to enforce their rules and punish and expel those who don't want to follow them. If they are unwilling to do so they are doomed to fail as they are now failing a lot of kids in both counties by not doing so.

That's just not true in Nassau, but it's rampant in Suffolk

Nope.

The Oyster Bay League does not exist anymore

Look at the big programs on LI. The ones that keep their PAL teams balanced. They develop as many players as possible. The kids play with their friends and learn the game at different stages. Those programs consistently put a strong team on the Varsity field. When towns start with the win at all cost mentality and forget about the weaker kids it directly reflects the product they put on the Varsity field.

That is completly inaccurate. I don't know a strong lax school that doesn't separate the strong and weak after 5th grade.

I can only speak for the girls side of things in my town and they do not separate the players ever during PAL and are very successful on the Varsity level.

In NCPAL the girls are not allowed to stack teams at any grade they must be balanced.

This is not correct. Syosset,Garden City, Massapequa, Manhasset, C.S.H. and others do not have balanced teams in 5th and 6th grades. I think their varsity teams have been "strong".

Not much our town can do. We have one team for every 2 grades so the really good play with the really weak, then they don't pass them the ball and soon we will have 1 team every three grades!

Does anyone have the nassau boys schedule if so could they post it. Thanks

Shh, it's a secret. They tell the parents it's balanced.

it is absolutely true in Nassau as well.

the problem is they do it and they don't separate the division they are in. you are not supposed to have a strong and a weak team in the same division. but it's done all the time.

right.

are they putting the kids in the same division or is the stronger team in the stronger competition division. It's ok to have weaker and stronger but not in the same division. towns are pretending the teams are split evenly when in fact they are not.

But it's still not up to the coaches to push them out.

please distinguish between boys and girls PAL - different rules regarding balanced teams and in some cases completely different organizations run the youth programs with opposite approaches to this. Hip Hop - you should probably should split this thread into Nassau Boys PAL League - Spring 2015 and Nassau Girls PAL League - Spring 2015

If it is done all the time it is because your director request for it to happen.

Yes that is correct, just like in our Town West Islip, there are 2 teams at the 7th grade girls level this year...one is considered "ELITE" and the other is just regular PAL. One team is heavily stacked with self proclaimed talent by their own parents and majority club players and the other...????????????

Is the heavily stacked team playing in PAL or in LISGYLL? LISGYLL is a highly competitive league that plays HS rules with full checking and has playoffs and a championship. If a town puts a team that isn't comprised of its best players in the grade, they will get slaughtered on a weekly basis. Did WI have tryouts or just hand-pick the teams?

I believe the stacked team is in fact playing in the LISYGYLL, however there were no tryouts, girls were hand picked by director and assistant. Selected parents were notified by email only.

that's weak

Why is that weak?

Ive seen it all to many times, the tryout process is not for the players but the parents. the coaches know who can play and who mesh with the teams. At 6/7/8 the coaches have ben with the girls for a few years and I am sure they will take the new girl who played soccer or softball who is an athlete.

yes it stinks for those 3/4 bubble players. I wouldn't call it weak though. Those girls just need to work harder maybe attend a clinic or two and the all important their folks need to STFU so they don't hurt the child's chances next go round.

what year does the LISGYLL start 7th

It's weak because the coaches' kids aren't always in the best 20-25 players. Sounds like you're a coach that's afraid to leave it to chance that an independent evaluator might not see how great your daughter is. If it's that obvious, just stay out of it and trust that someone with no vested interest in the team will see it the same way. What's the downside?

LISGYLL starts in 7th grade.

BS.. WI PAL/LISGYLL is all politics.. more that half the girls on the Self validated "Elite" can't catch, much less run. If you really want to see some slow nonathletic lacrosse then pay attention to the games this season. Things are done based on self interest and what makes their daughters look good and not based on what's best for teams. There is a huge conflict of interest here. Coaches only care about their daughters, No wonder they are having difficulties filling slots.

As another West Islip parent, I totally agree with you on this one.

Week said,.

And travel programs don,t care about the money its all about the kids

How is this even relevant to the discussion? Keep deflecting . . .

If this is the case the better players and parents know this and if they don't like it then they need to step up and get a coach and tell the current Grand Pubba and assistant it is no longer their call. If they, have maybe that is why they leave.

If you are complaining because you fit between 20-30th player in the grade (or 6th best at position) I don't think you have much say for the A travel team. As I will admit many times there isn't much of a difference between the 20th and 30th player to a coach (of players that have played a few years). but to that 22nd ranked player they are always ranked top 10 their parents. This unrealistic impression also causes issues.

This is where the community needs to step in, not to force a coach to take a second team player, but to force the league to development those 2nd team players. It isn't always about that A "Elite" team. It is about building a program not 15 individuals.

Another bitter parent, maybe your kid isn't that good.

Same coaches are coaching the PAL team.

Is this just a 7th Grade issue or was the 8th grade team hand-picked too?

if the high school coach wasn't involved somewhat in your 8th grade selections you have a bigger issue.

Just 7th grade, as someone above called them grand pubba and asst both have daughters in 7th that are on team.

Not even a 7th grade parent but just to let you know that both coaches kids aren't even that good. One is on top team at a club don't know how much longer that will last as the girls are getting older and will now need more speed and agility and the other is on 2nd team at another with no hustle at all. Time will tell as hs is right around the corner and they all have to show and prove. Everybody's looking for that lax scholarship and not all are cut out to get it.

The stories remain the same only the names are changed.

If you have an issue with the process you should call the director and talk to him about it.

Really no need to, it's already been put out there. a lot of parents not happy with the way PAL is going, many kids already not returning next year. We'll keep our $160 Thank you though.

I disagree. Not helping the weaker kids or the stronger kids at all to keep them playing together after 4th grade. The stronger players will only improve if they are playing with strong players. I've see too many "better" players develop bad habits and lose their edge playing grown with weaker players. All it's doing is wastng time for them to develop skills and learn the game. On the other side, the weaker players are intimidated playing on the same field as the strong playrs. They lose confidence not to mention playing time. If a program has the numbers to field multiple teams in an age group they should separate by skill. Check the egos at the parking lot.

I'm from a strong lacrosse town. My daughters team has new coaches this year. 4 or 5 dads with daughters that are all B players at best. The 3 or 4 top players parents are spectators only. So no beef there. But for the kids on that bubble- I dunno. We have to wait and see if these dad coaches do the right thing.

If your kid is a strong player she should stand out and dominate on the PAL team. If not maybe she is where she belongs

Schedules for girls went out yesretday

Iam outraged by PAL's handling of the scheduling. My town supports the select division for higher grades; our reward for this support, our B team winds up in Division 1 playing a number of teams that belong in the select division. This somehow is no longer about the kids. Trust me, this team is going to have a very difficult time against the Farmingdale's, West Islips and Massapequa's...How they were not put in D2 or 3 is beyond me...As two equal teams last year the teams were 500...PAL...FAIL

I agree with this 100%, although I would go a step further and ask why we don't separate by ability from the get go. For the same reasons you stated; more highly skilled kids get better playing with other kids with comparable skill sets. And the slower to mature kids get frustrated and intimidated being put on the same field as the kids that are quicker to mature & develop skills.

The PAL is going to lose the battle as more kids leave for club ball. The writing is on the wall.

What division were they in last year? I am assuming this is the boys side since girls do not have Select division.

Hip Hop, Can you please start a separate boys and girls PAL thread? Different rules, different issues.

Boys. 5th grade. And I'm not hiding. I'm from CSH with no son on either the A or the B team. As for the separating by skill at a lower level, I disagree. in 3rd and 4th grade there are not enough skills on the lower team to be able to have anyone who can be a leader and actually carry the ball and be productive. It takes a little longer for the "b/c" players to develop this basic skill and they need the better players around them for the sake of advancing their games. Fully support the skill split in 5th and 6th grades though.

Heres the thing folks. My daughter is on the non "elite" team. Why? Because she needs to improve. I'm glad she's on that team for the simple fact that she'll get more playing time then if she were on the "elite" team. Would you rather your daughter be on the "elite" team and ride the bench? Or would you rather she get the majority of playing time on th "b" team. Guess what, she won't get better on the bench. I guarentee you that she'll eventually get frustrated and quit. I'll let my daughter get better on the "b" team with game time experience, while yours rides the bench on the "elite". BTW, we all know the coaches that your talking about. 3 guys. And their daughers are 3 off the best players on the team. No argument here. Keep up the good work!

We must be from different team. These coaches kids are NOT the best players. Mediocre at best. But they are young!

Well said, Director has been simply wonderful no beefs here.