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I'm interested in hearing what Top Guns participants have to say about their program. We played a few of their teams in winter leagues and I liked what I saw but know nothing about the organization and pricing. Anyone?

The pricing and package information for the Long Island Top Guns Girls Program follows.

Graduating Years: 2013 � 2018, 2011 Annual Fee is $1100

Payment Includes:

Tournaments : 5 Guaranteed SUMMER Tournaments
This fee does not include fall or winter tournaments and/or leagues

Practices : 10 Team Practices

Coaches : World Class Coaching Staff, Two Coaches per Team
Each team will be over seen by Shannon Smith and Lacey Vigmostad

Uniform : Team Uniform / First Year Bag is Included / Sweat Shirt Recruitment

Each player will have a chance to be guided through the process, have the ability to make a player profile and make meetings with the coaches to go over questions you may have.

PAYMENT SCHEDULE

Payment 1 : $200 September 13th, 2010
Payment 2 : $200 December 1st, 2010
Payment 3 : $200 February 1st, 2011
Payment 4 : $250 March 1st, 2011
Payment 5 : $250 May 1st, 2011

**** ALL PAYMENTS ARE NONFEFUNDABLE ****

Thanks, CageSage. I'm going to keep my eye on them this season and maybe make a move next year.

The best thing about the Top Guns it is a family organization that puts the girls first. It's NOT take the money and make as many teams needed like some of the other larger ones.

Can some tell me why the LI Top Guns are getting such good reviews, and why it's all the talk a on the Lacrosse fields this spring?

Top Gun is a business just like most of the organizations. I am sure if they have 120 kids try out they will have 4 teams too. You make it sound like they are doing this as volunteers. The kids should play where they are comfortable at a level they are comfortable at. Having more teams enables an organization to get the kids playing with other kids at their skill level. As their skill level improves they have the opportunity to move to a different team that fits their needs and talent. Some kids will to the opposite and that is fine too.

You�re correct. It�s a business and it makes money but they put the game and the girls first and foremost. They teach good sportsmanship, team spirit and the rules of the game. Unlike some who promote aggressive behavior and win at all cost disregarding the rules and the officials.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You�re correct. It�s a business and it makes money but they put the game and the girls first and foremost. They teach good sportsmanship, team spirit and the rules of the game. Unlike some who promote aggressive behavior and win at all cost disregarding the rules and the officials.

Well, lets see how good their teams do this summer, against the "other clubs"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You�re correct. It�s a business and it makes money but they put the game and the girls first and foremost. They teach good sportsmanship, team spirit and the rules of the game. Unlike some who promote aggressive behavior and win at all cost disregarding the rules and the officials.

Well, lets see how good their teams do this summer, against the "other clubs"

Yes, Nice chatting good luck and hope you have a good season.

I am glad you are having a good experience. As long as your child is happy that is the most important thing. As far as your comment about Top Gun being the champions of sportsmanship, that is a joke! I have seen many top gun games where the kids and parents were out of control! I have also seen aggressive play from "other" clubs. So what? Play were you want. I don't understand why people need to "bash" other clubs. If your happy, be happy. Competition is good!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best thing about the Top Guns it is a family organization that puts the girls first. It's NOT take the money and make as many teams needed like some of the other larger ones.

Yeh! The father of this family is nuts, and his kid went thru the YJ program!

I believe the quote was �They teach good sportsmanship, team spirit and the rules of the game� nothing about the �Top Gun being the champions of sportsmanship� Get it straight. I have seen plenty of games as well and the coaching staff teaches the rules and how to play as a team. They DO NOT to promote an aggressive behavior on the field, like some other well-known �yellow� teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I believe the quote was �They teach good sportsmanship, team spirit and the rules of the game� nothing about the �Top Gun being the champions of sportsmanship� Get it straight. I have seen plenty of games as well and the coaching staff teaches the rules and how to play as a team. They DO NOT to promote an aggressive behavior on the field, like some other well-known �yellow� teams.

What a joke!!!!!! If that is the case, the Top Gun girls don't listen very well. They are probably too busy listening to their out of control aggressive parents!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I believe the quote was �They teach good sportsmanship, team spirit and the rules of the game� nothing about the �Top Gun being the champions of sportsmanship� Get it straight. I have seen plenty of games as well and the coaching staff teaches the rules and how to play as a team. They DO NOT to promote an aggressive behavior on the field, like some other well-known �yellow� teams.

What a joke!!!!!! If that is the case, the Top Gun girls don't listen very well. They are probably too busy listening to their out of control aggressive parents!

It seems that you�re the joke. I have been explaining that the girls on the Top Guns are well coached. It seems the only aggressive one in this conversation is you. This is typical of a self-centered, self-severing person such as yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best thing about the Top Guns it is a family organization that puts the girls first. It's NOT take the money and make as many teams needed like some of the other larger ones.

Yeh! The father of this family is nuts, and his kid went thru the YJ program!

And that's what made them realized what a bad program the YJ have. YJ is about the money and not the girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best thing about the Top Guns it is a family organization that puts the girls first. It's NOT take the money and make as many teams needed like some of the other larger ones.

Yeh! The father of this family is nuts, and his kid went thru the YJ program!

And that's what made them realized what a bad program the YJ have. YJ is about the money and not the girls.

No the Top Gun founders saw how much money other clubs were making and decided to get a piece of the action. Lets get real here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best thing about the Top Guns it is a family organization that puts the girls first. It's NOT take the money and make as many teams needed like some of the other larger ones.

Yeh! The father of this family is nuts, and his kid went thru the YJ program!

And that's what made them realized what a bad program the YJ have. YJ is about the money and not the girls.

No the Top Gun founders saw how much money other clubs were making and decided to get a piece of the action. Lets get real here.

I guess? who is the founder?

Anyone reading this thread can clearly see the animosity toward the Top Guns. Not on either side here just saying. No worries...why don't you save the nasty and personal comments for your own home and let the girls play. Many of them are friends no matter what travel jersey they wear. Maybe the parents should follow their lead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone reading this thread can clearly see the animosity toward the Top Guns. Not on either side here just saying. No worries...why don't you save the nasty and personal comments for your own home and let the girls play. Many of them are friends no matter what travel jersey they wear. Maybe the parents should follow their lead.

BOTC Industries can say that we have absolutely been trying to get in touch with the Top Guns program as this seems to be a very viable option for some of the girls youth lacrosse players on Long Island. Unfortunately, BOTC's phone calls and e-mails have to date gone unanswered. Perhaps you can alert the Top Guns to the fact that BOTC has been reaching out to them for more information about their program?

All the coaches are too busy getting ready to compete in the NCAA quarterfinals. I guess "Dad" doesn't want to answer your questions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All the coaches are too busy getting ready to compete in the NCAA quarterfinals. I guess "Dad" doesn't want to answer your questions.

Must be some GREAT COACHING STAFF, No wonder why the Top Guns rule on the Lacrosse field. Remember keep it clean and fair.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All the coaches are too busy getting ready to compete in the NCAA quarterfinals. I guess "Dad" doesn't want to answer your questions.

Must be some GREAT COACHING STAFF, No wonder why the Top Guns rule on the Lacrosse field. Remember keep it clean and fair.

Don't worry they do it for the "love" not for any money

Yeah, and they all came up through the Yellow Jackets program. They learned from the best!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah, and they all came up through the Yellow Jackets program. They learned from the best!!

Problem is only the 9th grade team is any good and they have to use players from out of state. We played against the 10th grade team last summer and they didn't do anything. The 8th grade team has a handful of good players only. The lower grades 7th, 6th and 5th grade teams are weak and will have a hard time at tournaments this summer. Just don't have solid coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All the coaches are too busy getting ready to compete in the NCAA quarterfinals. I guess "Dad" doesn't want to answer your questions.

Must be some GREAT COACHING STAFF, No wonder why the Top Guns rule on the Lacrosse field. Remember keep it clean and fair.

Don't worry they do it for the "love" not for any money

It's all about the love.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah, and they all came up through the Yellow Jackets program. They learned from the best!!

Then why are they not coaching for the Yellow Jackets? They must have realized there was a better way to play then having a Hockey style attitude. I enjoy watching the skills the girls have with their sticks, I don�t want to see a glove off broil, pushing and shoving like some of you want to see. Yeah go Yellow Jacket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah, and they all came up through the Yellow Jackets program. They learned from the best!!

Then why are they not coaching for the Yellow Jackets? They must have realized there was a better way to play then having a Hockey style attitude. I enjoy watching the skills the girls have with their sticks, I don�t want to see a glove off broil, pushing and shoving like some of you want to see. Yeah go Yellow Jacket.

Why? For the money $. Why coach for the organization that helped you to be great players when you can go off on your own and make $$. Pretty simple really. And what exactly is a " glove off broil"?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah, and they all came up through the Yellow Jackets program. They learned from the best!!

Then why are they not coaching for the Yellow Jackets? They must have realized there was a better way to play then having a Hockey style attitude. I enjoy watching the skills the girls have with their sticks, I don�t want to see a glove off broil, pushing and shoving like some of you want to see. Yeah go Yellow Jacket.

Why? For the money $. Why coach for the organization that helped you to be great players when you can go off on your own and make $$. Pretty simple really. And what exactly is a " glove off broil"?

At least you admitted that the coaching staffs for the TOP GUNS are great players, Smartest thing you blogged period.

Zero correlation between great players making great or even good coaches!! They are too young and are not educators!!

Earlier this afternoon, Thursday, BOTC Industries spent about thirty minutes speaking with Bill Smith regarding every aspect of the Long Island Top Guns program from their mission, to their team composition and their coaching philosophy.

That discussion satisfied us that the camps being offered this summer through the Top Guns program will offer an appropriate environment for young ladies seeking to work on their lacrosse skills.

BOTC has posted the Top Guns' July and August camp information on the Showcases and Tournaments page as of this evening.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zero correlation between great players making great or even good coaches!! They are too young and are not educators!!

You are 100% right! Not to mention it is very hard to find a 21 year old who will be as committed to the team as you want them to be. It takes years to transition from great player to great coach. There are so many other aspects to coaching other than lax ability! I think the college kids are great for 1 on 1 skill training.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zero correlation between great players making great or even good coaches!! They are too young and are not educators!!

You are 100% right! Not to mention it is very hard to find a 21 year old who will be as committed to the team as you want them to be. It takes years to transition from great player to great coach. There are so many other aspects to coaching other than lax ability! I think the college kids are great for 1 on 1 skill training.

My daughter is a Yellow Jacket and looking forward to trying out for Top Gun. Not because Yellow Jackets have bad coaches we actually think our coaches are really great. In end the organization leaders do not respect parents and player....except those on blue. Lower teams get the short end of the stick. They pay the same price but at tryout time they are sepereated from the "blue" team...they attend less tournaments and they know after a couple years, they are never moving up, even if they deserve to. Great for the girls who are on blue, other than that find another organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zero correlation between great players making great or even good coaches!! They are too young and are not educators!!

You are 100% right! Not to mention it is very hard to find a 21 year old who will be as committed to the team as you want them to be. It takes years to transition from great player to great coach. There are so many other aspects to coaching other than lax ability! I think the college kids are great for 1 on 1 skill training.

My daughter is a Yellow Jacket and looking forward to trying out for Top Gun. Not because Yellow Jackets have bad coaches we actually think our coaches are really great. In end the organization leaders do not respect parents and player....except those on blue. Lower teams get the short end of the stick. They pay the same price but at tryout time they are sepereated from the "blue" team...they attend less tournaments and they know after a couple years, they are never moving up, even if they deserve to. Great for the girls who are on blue, other than that find another organization.

That is exactly what I've heard about YJ, and from Blue parents. My daughter tried out one year and the tryout went as you described: Blue girls were separated out from the rest at tryouts. Why do the Blues even go to tryouts if it's a given? I think YJ produces some strong players, but I don't care for how the program is run, at all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zero correlation between great players making great or even good coaches!! They are too young and are not educators!!

You are 100% right! Not to mention it is very hard to find a 21 year old who will be as committed to the team as you want them to be. It takes years to transition from great player to great coach. There are so many other aspects to coaching other than lax ability! I think the college kids are great for 1 on 1 skill training.

My daughter is a Yellow Jacket and looking forward to trying out for Top Gun. Not because Yellow Jackets have bad coaches we actually think our coaches are really
great. In end the organization leaders do not respect parents and player....except those
on blue. Lower teams get the short end of the stick. They pay the same price but at
tryout time they are sepereated from the "blue" team...they attend less tournaments and
they know after a couple years, they are never moving up, even if they deserve to.
Great for the girls who are on blue, other than that find another organization.

Yellow players do come up to blue team. And blue plays can drop down to yellow. So what if your kid make the second or third top gun team? Then what?

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zero correlation between great players making great or even good coaches!! They are too young and are not educators!!

You are 100% right! Not to mention it is very hard to find a 21 year old who will be as committed to the team as you want them to be. It takes years to transition from great player to great coach. There are so many other aspects to coaching other than lax ability! I think the college kids are great for 1 on 1 skill training.

My daughter is a Yellow Jacket and looking forward to trying out for Top Gun. Not because Yellow Jackets have bad coaches we actually think our coaches are really great. In end the organization leaders do not respect parents and player....except those on blue. Lower teams get the short end of the stick. They pay the same price but at tryout time they are sepereated from the "blue" team...they attend less tournaments and they know after a couple years, they are never moving up, even if they deserve to. Great for the girls who are on blue, other than that find another organization.

That is exactly what I've heard about YJ, and from Blue parents. My daughter tried out one year and the tryout went as you described: Blue girls were separated out from the rest at tryouts. Why do the Blues even go to tryouts if it's a given? I think YJ produces some strong players, but I don't care for how the program is run, at all.

My daughter started on a lower YJ team and moved up and has been a blue for a few years. Every year between 3 and % players have moved up or down. I think they are more than willing to move girls who deserve it. Some players don't want to move up. They like their coaches and team mates and request not to be moved. That is fine, all that is important is that your daughter is happy and being coached well. You said you like your coach, i wouldn't leave for the "greener grass"!

My daughter is on the blue team, sadly some clicky girls make it uncomfortable for those out of town, and they don't "gel". Traveling out east is another pain in the butt, and since Top Guns will be centrally located with an amazing coaching staff she will try out for the 2017 team. I like what I have heard, and my kid is young enough to give it a try for a year.

Having played in college I also do not respect the fact that Yellow jackets have the most fouls in every tournament. Takes away from the integrity of the game without teaching respect.

Just my 2 cents...good luck to all the girls, be safe and have fun!

I could not agree more. It seems the only reason why we had such a drastic rule change on the yellow cards and major fowls is because of the coaching and training of the Yellow Jackets. It�s funny that a lot of the Yellow Jackets parents joked about that fact. It seems that the intimidation factor is losing its grip and we�re getting to see some really good players from other organization like �91 Lacrosse� and �Top Guns� you don�t have to wear an YJ jersey to be good or excellent.

It�s funny when other clubs from out of state come up to you and say,� You�re not like the Yellow Jackets. Win or lose we play you any time� means volumes.

Keep going Yellow Jackets you�re doing it to yourselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I could not agree more. It seems the only reason why we had such a drastic rule change on the yellow cards and major fowls is because of the coaching and training of the Yellow Jackets. It�s funny that a lot of the Yellow Jackets parents joked about that fact. It seems that the intimidation factor is losing its grip and we�re getting to see some really good players from other organization like �91 Lacrosse� and �Top Guns� you don�t have to wear an YJ jersey to be good or excellent.

It�s funny when other clubs from out of state come up to you and say,� You�re not like the Yellow Jackets. Win or lose we play you any time� means volumes.

Keep going Yellow Jackets you�re doing it to yourselves.

Uh huh, and look at how many teams the yellow jackets have in each grade level. 91 lacrosse will eventually phase out of girls because it is basically a boys club. Top gun has only one grade level in most of their age groups. Go play for either team. The Yellow Jackets don't need to beg you to come to their tryouts. At my daughter's tryout there were over 100 girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I could not agree more. It seems the only reason why we had such a drastic rule change on the yellow cards and major fowls is because of the coaching and training of the Yellow Jackets. It�s funny that a lot of the Yellow Jackets parents joked about that fact. It seems that the intimidation factor is losing its grip and we�re getting to see some really good players from other organization like �91 Lacrosse� and �Top Guns� you don�t have to wear an YJ jersey to be good or excellent.

It�s funny when other clubs from out of state come up to you and say,� You�re not like the Yellow Jackets. Win or lose we play you any time� means volumes.

Keep going Yellow Jackets you�re doing it to yourselves.

Uh huh, and look at how many teams the yellow jackets have in each grade level. 91 lacrosse will eventually phase out of girls because it is basically a boys club. Top gun has only one grade level in most of their age groups. Go play for either team. The Yellow Jackets don't need to beg you to come to their tryouts. At my daughter's tryout there were over 100 girls.

And I bet you every one of those girls who tried out made a team. Your daughter will be over looked or lost for
favoritism. Like it was said before take the money and made as many teams as possible

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I could not agree more. It seems the only reason why we had such a drastic rule change on the yellow cards and major fowls is because of the coaching and training of the Yellow Jackets. It�s funny that a lot of the Yellow Jackets parents joked about that fact. It seems that the intimidation factor is losing its grip and we�re getting to see some really good players from other organization like �91 Lacrosse� and �Top Guns� you don�t have to wear an YJ jersey to be good or excellent.

It�s funny when other clubs from out of state come up to you and say,� You�re not like the Yellow Jackets. Win or lose we play you any time� means volumes.

Keep going Yellow Jackets you�re doing it to yourselves.

Uh huh, and look at how many teams the yellow jackets have in each grade level. 91 lacrosse will eventually phase out of girls because it is basically a boys club. Top gun has only one grade level in most of their age groups. Go play for either team. The Yellow Jackets don't need to beg you to come to their tryouts. At my daughter's tryout there were over 100 girls.

And I bet you every one of those girls who tried out made a team. Your daughter will be over looked or lost for
favoritism. Like it was said before take the money and made as many teams as possible

Do you think there is a handbook for all the YJ coaches to follow that say's "All YJ's must foul more than the teams they play" ? Every coach and every team is different. If you are happy with the YJ's, then stay. If you are not, then leave. If they have 4 teams at most divisions and those people are willing to pay for the club than there HAS to be more people than not who are happy with the end product! The constant YJ bashing is getting old. There happens to be a lot of great players who have played there and that are still in the program. No it doesn't mean that there can't be a great player in another organization (that is crazy). The one thing you can't argue with is the track record of team and individual success that the YJ's have. The list of championships and college placements are unparralleled. I am sure some of those people used the recruiting service and many didn't. It is your choice! No one forces you to! Most of the top girls don't need it. But if someone wants to use it, it is their money! what do you care! Some kids are not as sought after as others and more leg work needs to be done to get them in a school that fits their needs.

WOW, keep your dandruff down. The only thing that�s getting old is the Yellow Jacket Organization. May be it�s a wakeup call for them and on how they draw out an unwanted aggressive behavior out of there members. It seems that there are a lot of unhappy players and family members and if given a chance they would go to another club but the question is where? Until now there was no place to go. Watch I think you will see more and more girls and their families looking elsewhere.

PS. The only Crazy talk is you.

Sorry no wake up call as a college coach I am looking for the aggressive style of play. Someone who can go to battle for every ground ball and draw.. Love those yellow jackets and their style of play!!
Keep up the good work!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I could not agree more. It seems the only reason why we had such a drastic rule change on the yellow cards and major fowls is because of the coaching and training of the Yellow Jackets. It�s funny that a lot of the Yellow Jackets parents joked about that fact. It seems that the intimidation factor is losing its grip and we�re getting to see some really good players from other organization like �91 Lacrosse� and �Top Guns� you don�t have to wear an YJ jersey to be good or excellent.

It�s funny when other clubs from out of state come up to you and say,� You�re not like the Yellow Jackets. Win or lose we play you any time� means volumes.

Keep going Yellow Jackets you�re doing it to yourselves.

Uh huh, and look at how many teams the yellow jackets have in each grade level. 91 lacrosse will eventually phase out of girls because it is basically a boys club. Top gun has only one grade level in most of their age groups. Go play for either team. The Yellow Jackets don't need to beg you to come to their tryouts. At my daughter's tryout there were over 100 girls.

I would like to add one point to this discussion. It�s Quality not Quantity that matters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I could not agree more. It seems the only reason why we had such a drastic rule change on the yellow cards and major fowls is because of the coaching and training of the Yellow Jackets. It�s funny that a lot of the Yellow Jackets parents joked about that fact. It seems that the intimidation factor is losing its grip and we�re getting to see some really good players from other organization like �91 Lacrosse� and �Top Guns� you don�t have to wear an YJ jersey to be good or excellent.

It�s funny when other clubs from out of state come up to you and say,� You�re not like the Yellow Jackets. Win or lose we play you any time� means volumes.

Keep going Yellow Jackets you�re doing it to yourselves.

Uh huh, and look at how many teams the yellow jackets have in each grade level. 91 lacrosse will eventually phase out of girls because it is basically a boys club. Top gun has only one grade level in most of their age groups. Go play for either team. The Yellow Jackets don't need to beg you to come to their tryouts. At my daughter's tryout there were over 100 girls.

I would like to add one point to this discussion. It�s Quality not Quantity that matters.

Are you saying that the YJ's don't have quality teams? That is absurd! So what if there are 4 teams in an age group! Should the kids who love the game and want to play be denied that chance because they are new to the game or not as talented? Some kids need more time to develop. I think that is one of the best aspects of the YJ's. Kids from the same town , who are at different levels can still travel together and root each other on while they can play at the appropriate competition level.

Some observations on the discussion over the last several days.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I could not agree more. It seems the only reason why we had such a drastic rule change on the yellow cards and major fowls is because of the coaching and training of the Yellow Jackets. It�s funny that a lot of the Yellow Jackets parents joked about that fact.

Changes in the rules were not made in response to anything the Yellow Jackets (or any single franchise) might be doing on the field. In a game where contact is part of the game play environment (soccer, lacrosse, basketball on the girl's side to name three), better teams will occasionally be called more tightly as they will tend to run over softer squads. One reason for this is that the team itself can be used to playing at a more physical level in other events. Now, good game play and increasing ability can counter some of this fouling, however no team regardless of sport is actually stepping onto the field with the goal of a high foul count.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It seems that the intimidation factor is losing its grip and we�re getting to see some really good players from other organization like �91 Lacrosse� and �Top Guns� you don�t have to wear an YJ jersey to be good or excellent.

Absolutely true - what you are highlighting is that choice is being created which the market seems to be demanding. Overall the number of girls looking to play lacrosse is increasing dramatically which is creating the additional demand for premier level coaching, training and game play experiences.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

...look at how many teams the yellow jackets have in each grade level. 91 lacrosse will eventually phase out of girls because it is basically a boys club. Top gun has only one grade level in most of their age groups. Go play for either team. The Yellow Jackets don't need to beg you to come to their tryouts. At my daughter's tryout there were over 100 girls.

The number of teams per age group is as expected. The Yellow Jackets (and other classic competitors like the Liberty) have been longer established; hence, they get the lionshare of players. Meanwhile, new players onto the scene, like Top Guns, will help to push the envelope for consumers and players alike. Longer term, expect more teams to emerge at this top level of play. This trend was seen in girl's soccer on Long Island over the last decade and we are now seeing the early stages of the same here in lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I could not agree more. It seems the only reason why we had such a drastic rule change on the yellow cards and major fowls is because of the coaching and training of the Yellow Jackets. It�s funny that a lot of the Yellow Jackets parents joked about that fact. It seems that the intimidation factor is losing its grip and we�re getting to see some really good players from other organization like �91 Lacrosse� and �Top Guns� you don�t have to wear an YJ jersey to be good or excellent.

It�s funny when other clubs from out of state come up to you and say,� You�re not like the Yellow Jackets. Win or lose we play you any time� means volumes.

Keep going Yellow Jackets you�re doing it to yourselves.

Uh huh, and look at how many teams the yellow jackets have in each grade level. 91 lacrosse will eventually phase out of girls because it is basically a boys club. Top gun has only one grade level in most of their age groups. Go play for either team. The Yellow Jackets don't need to beg you to come to their tryouts. At my daughter's tryout there were over 100 girls.

I would like to add one point to this discussion. It�s Quality not Quantity that matters.

Are you saying that the YJ's don't have quality teams? That is absurd! So what if there are 4 teams in an age group! Should the kids who love the game and want to play be denied that chance because they are new to the game or not as talented? Some kids need more time to develop. I think that is one of the best aspects of the YJ's. Kids from the same town , who are at different levels can still travel together and root each other on while they can play at the appropriate competition level.

Not all teams are competative. My kid plays on a team that has a goalie so bad they might as well play with none. The team will not be competative this summer, just a big waste of time for the girls and parents. A money maker for the Yellow jackets. if the organization cared they would make every team competative.

Just piping in as a parent of a player(s) here. I have three very athletic kids who are all very involved in several sports. All three play lax (2 daughters). It's crazy all the politics that go along with which kids are getting on which team, with what coach etc... The yellow jackets are a great club and produce great players. Top Guns are a brand new club, and will undoubtable produce very competitive teams and players. I'm not trying to sell other LI clubs short here, I'm just saying I have seen many other LI clubs struggle for years and years to attract the high level players needed to be competitive. I will have to say for whatever reason, Top Guns have seemed to be able to step in this competitive market and instantly draw intrest from extremely talented players as an alternative to YJ's. I went to the NCAA finals last weekend and watched basically what amounts to the Top Gun coaching core win the division I National Championship, women's lacrosse at it's very highest level. There was a massive group and family atmosphere of Top Gun support there. The feeling and energy of being a part of the Top Gun organization was just electric. If your a parent of a YJ girl, rest assurred your in good hands with a club that can develope her into a great player. Competition is good, and it's about time YJ had some. Bottom line- I'm quite happy with my daughters playing for Top-Guns and am quite confident this club will quickly be very nationally competitive across the board.

Electric college lax is great but the players
Are not around enough to truly care and practice with the team. My daughter is on a top gun team and waiting for the college players to finish there season is ridiculous!!

Well then maybe Top Guns isn't for you. And didn't you know that when you signed up that the coaches where away? Seems to me you didn't do your hw! My girls are on Top Guns and get great instruction from all the coaches!

Please remember, that even you the Parents are members of the Top Guns team and we need to be supportive of all to Win.

You get what you pay for....if you want real coaching got to YJ

??????????? thats your crazy opinion which is why you belong on YJ thanks

I think good competition for the YJ's would be a good thing. Problem with the other "major" clubs on LI isn't that the coaching is bad or anything else; it's that they are more confined to smaller regions of LI. Long Island Express, Liberty, and Top Guns focus more on a few towns rather than the whole island. That doesn't effect the coaching but by the laws of statistics means that YJ's "A" team is going to almost always be better than that of any other of the LI clubs. If your child has friends in the club and it works for them and you, then have fun. This is America and strong competition lifts up everybody. Good luck to everyone this summer and lets hope it's a safe one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You get what you pay for....if you want real coaching got to YJ

You must like throwing your money away. The coaches on the Yellow Jackets are the fathers of the players. All they know is Boys Lacrosse. I guess that's why there girl are so wild with their sticks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You get what you pay for....if you want real coaching got to YJ

You must like throwing your money away. The coaches on the Yellow Jackets are the fathers of the players. All they know is Boys Lacrosse. I guess that's why there girl are so wild with their sticks.

Are you refferring to guys like Defilese,Mitchell and Carro? If so, I will take my chances with those "boys" coaches. Three of the best in the business!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You get what you pay for....if you want real coaching got to YJ

You must like throwing your money away. The coaches on the Yellow Jackets are the fathers of the players. All they know is Boys Lacrosse. I guess that's why there girl are so wild with their sticks.

Are you refferring to guys like Defilese,Mitchell and Carro? If so, I will take my chances with those "boys" coaches. Three of the best in the business!!

Blood is thicker than water. They�re only doing it for their daughters and no one else. If you�ve been reading this blog we have been talking about favoritism and how much one has to pay to have their daughter be recognized in the YJ organization. If that�s what you want than by all means stay with the Yellow Jackets.

I agree Fathers should not be able to coach their own kids!

Or mothers. My daughter was on a team last year. The coach was great, but she brought along her daughter who was not one, but two, years younger than the rest of the team. Her daughter started, her daughter tried to direct the field, goal-hung, ugh. The daughter is a good player -- in her own age group. Not two years up. I know of one really good player who left the organization because of this, and I was making sure I didn't encounter the same situation this year myself. Loved the coach, didn't care for her baggage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You get what you pay for....if you want real coaching got to YJ

You must like throwing your money away. The coaches on the Yellow Jackets are the fathers of the players. All they know is Boys Lacrosse. I guess that's why there girl are so wild with their sticks.

Are you refferring to guys like Defilese,Mitchell and Carro? If so, I will take my chances with those "boys" coaches. Three of the best in the business!!

Blood is thicker than water. They�re only doing it for their daughters and no one else. If you�ve been reading this blog we have been talking about favoritism and how much one has to pay to have their daughter be recognized in the YJ organization. If that�s what you want than by all means stay with the Yellow Jackets.

there are girls teams coached by dads too, some with no real coaching experience and no business being there

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You get what you pay for....if you want real coaching got to YJ

You must like throwing your money away. The coaches on the Yellow Jackets are the fathers of the players. All they know is Boys Lacrosse. I guess that's why there girl are so wild with their sticks.

Are you refferring to guys like Defilese,Mitchell and Carro? If so, I will take my chances with those "boys" coaches. Three of the best in the business!!

Blood is thicker than water. They�re only doing it for their daughters and no one else. If you�ve been reading this blog we have been talking about favoritism and how much one has to pay to have their daughter be recognized in the YJ organization. If that�s what you want than by all means stay with the Yellow Jackets.

I am sure if you asked any of the parents who are actually being coached by these guys their opinion, you would get nothing but raves. So if they are there"only for their daughters" and my daughter gets the benefit of great coaching and extra practices, i am more than fine with that!I don't know why people feel the need to be negative and make assumptions about people they don't know. It is sad. If you like your organization then God bless you. There is no need to put down a coach just because he has a daughter on the team and proclaim that these guys teach the kids to "swing their sticks". It couldn't be further from the truth and anyone would be lucky to have these guys. Take some time and ask the kids and parents from those teams with the coaches who only know "the boys" game!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You get what you pay for....if you want real coaching got to YJ

You must like throwing your money away. The coaches on the Yellow Jackets are the fathers of the players. All they know is Boys Lacrosse. I guess that's why there girl are so wild with their sticks.

Are you refferring to guys like Defilese,Mitchell and Carro? If so, I will take my chances with those "boys" coaches. Three of the best in the business!!

Must be the reason why Newsday just did a big article about helmets for the girls, Lack of stick control.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You get what you pay for....if you want real coaching got to YJ

You must like throwing your money away. The coaches on the Yellow Jackets are the fathers of the players. All they know is Boys Lacrosse. I guess that's why there girl are so wild with their sticks.

Are you refferring to guys like Defilese,Mitchell and Carro? If so, I will take my chances with those "boys" coaches. Three of the best in the business!!

Must be the reason why Newsday just did a big article about helmets for the girls, Lack of stick control.

Yes I read it, but I didn't read anything about the "boys" Yellow Jacket promoting stick swinging!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You get what you pay for....if you want real coaching got to YJ

You must like throwing your money away. The coaches on the Yellow Jackets are the fathers of the players. All they know is Boys Lacrosse. I guess that's why there girl are so wild with their sticks.

Are you refferring to guys like Defilese,Mitchell and Carro? If so, I will take my chances with those "boys" coaches. Three of the best in the business!!

Must be the reason why Newsday just did a big article about helmets for the girls, Lack of stick control.

Yes I read it, but I didn't read anything about the "boys" Yellow Jacket promoting stick swinging!

I think the point trying to be said is that if a girls� team is coached by men that played Men�s Lacrosse, there skills and trait would be leaned by the girls, i.e. stick slapping and going to the cage regardless of obstruction. The point is that these coaches never played the sport they are coaching and will never understand the differences. That�s why there is such a big push for helmets which I believe do not belong in girl�s lacrosse.

To add to this point, this is why I think and a few HS coaches for girls� lacrosse that I have talk to over the past two years feel it�s not a helmet issue. It�s the stick skills of the girls they need to improve. When the girls get to HS they need to be re-trained. Their coaches in the youth organization really don�t know the rules or skills of the game. I�m not talking about the coaches from the clubs but I do think that�s why there is the appeal towards the Top Guns and there coaches. These girls play the game and know the rules.

Not really. It is not appealing to have lazy college
Kids with no sense of responsibility running a team.

don't have a child in either of the two programs being discussed here , but will say that daughter did attend a top guns camp and the girls in question were anything but lazy. In fact all the college girls were super.daughter learned many new techniques and the girls did not stop training all day. So might be a bit unfair to call these girls lazy.

Not too many "lazy college kids with no sense of responsibility" that I know of who have won several National Championships, the Tewaaraton and Honda Award.

YJ's are in a catch22 here. They can take credit for having helped these lazy college kids aspire as the most successful girl's lacrosse players to ever come off of Long Island. But in doing so they are also admitting that another club has special talent, and that's not good for business. All of you who are bashing these girls should be ashamed of yourselves. Grow up, wish them luck and move on.

Originally Posted by lax247

YJ's are in a catch22 here. They can take credit for having helped these lazy college kids aspire as the most successful girl's lacrosse players to ever come off of Long Island. But in doing so they are also admitting that another club has special talent, and that's not good for business. All of you who are bashing these girls should be ashamed of yourselves. Grow up, wish them luck and move on.

Again, the best way to put the matter to rest is by winning. Lets see how the top gun teams do this summer as compared to YJ or Express or 91 Lacrosse. If they win a championship at every event they can shut everyone up

Well here some proof most of the Top Gun teams won at the All American Showcase. Can't knock success

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well here some proof most of the Top Gun teams won at the All American Showcase. Can't knock success

Calling them lazy is rediculous. These girls didn't become great players by being lazy! The biggest issue with having college players as the primary coaches the way Top Gun does is AVAILABILITY. They can't be coaching the team until June, While most of the top YJ teams are practicing all winter and spring as a team. I also think even though the giirls are great players and can teach much of the skill portion, they probably have much to learn about game coaching. It takes a lot of experience to be an all around great coach. Either way good luck to all the girls, no matter what club they play for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well here some proof most of the Top Gun teams won at the All American Showcase. Can't knock success

I believe the 9th grade team lost in the semi finals

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well here some proof most of the Top Gun teams won at the All American Showcase. Can't knock success

I believe the 9th grade team lost in the semi finals

Guess they have to get some more out of state players for their team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well here some proof most of the Top Gun teams won at the All American Showcase. Can't knock success

I believe the 9th grade team lost in the semi finals

Overall results for the Top Guns at the All American Showcase.

The 2013 Black went 1W-2L-0T in group play in the SR-A Open Elite bracket.

The 2014 Black went 3W-0L-0T in the SR-B Elite group and lost in the semifinals 13-4.

The 2014 Purple team was 3W-0L-0T in the SR-B Platinum grouping and lost the final match 9-3.

The 2015 Black was 3W-0L-0T in the SR-B Select group winning the semifinal 9-3 and the finals 9-7.

The 2016 team won their three group play games (18-3, 12-8, 13-9) and then lost in the semifinals to BBL Elite Widcats (10-1).

The 2017 Black went 2W-0L-1T in group play in the MS Elite group. This group won their semifinal match and appear to have lost in the finals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well here some proof most of the Top Gun teams won at the All American Showcase. Can't knock success

I believe the 9th grade team lost in the semi finals

Guess they have to get some more out of state players for their team

Watching several games at the All American Showcase I was impressed on how well the girls for the Top Guns played as a team. Sure there were one or two girls that stood out but they did not rely on them to win. It was a team effort that won. All the girls on the Top Guns teams had equal skills and could play the game. No, their coaches are not �Lazy� This pasted weekend shows there is some valor to the Top Guns Organization and the person who blog that statement should retract it. It was notIntelligent on his/her part to print that. As far as the availability of the coaches I don�t think any of the parents or players seem to mind. They all know that an education come first and there was always a qualified coach in the winter and early spring.

Now for the 9th grade team statement, the Top Guns have two 9th grade 2015 teams and one of them won the championship. Your statement shows the immaturity you bring to the game. Grow up it seems your kids are more mature than you.

also missing from the results list was the 2018 team who were playing up and won thier division.

2015 = 8th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well here some proof most of the Top Gun teams won at the All American Showcase. Can't knock success

I believe the 9th grade team lost in the semi finals

Guess they have to get some more out of state players for their team

only 2 out of how many teams like 8 won....

Watching several games at the All American Showcase I was impressed on how well the girls for the Top Guns played as a team. Sure there were one or two girls that stood out but they did not rely on them to win. It was a team effort that won. All the girls on the Top Guns teams had equal skills and could play the game. No, their coaches are not �Lazy� This pasted weekend shows there is some valor to the Top Guns Organization and the person who blog that statement should retract it. It was notIntelligent on his/her part to print that. As far as the availability of the coaches I don�t think any of the parents or players seem to mind. They all know that an education come first and there was always a qualified coach in the winter and early spring.

Now for the 9th grade team statement, the Top Guns have two 9th grade 2015 teams and one of them won the championship. Your statement shows the immaturity you bring to the game. Grow up it seems your kids are more mature than you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

also missing from the results list was the 2018 team who were playing up and won thier division.

I also think the 2016 won their division. If you go to the All American Showcase web site they have the game numbers wrong in the Girls MS Champions. I think the Top Guns won via Brave Hart. Does anyone know for sure?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well here some proof most of the Top Gun teams won at the All American Showcase. Can't knock success

I believe the 9th grade team lost in the semi finals

Guess they have to get some more out of state players for their team

only 2 out of how many teams like 8 won....

Watching several games at the All American Showcase I was impressed on how well the girls for the Top Guns played as a team. Sure there were one or two girls that stood out but they did not rely on them to win. It was a team effort that won. All the girls on the Top Guns teams had equal skills and could play the game. No, their coaches are not �Lazy� This pasted weekend shows there is some valor to the Top Guns Organization and the person who blog that statement should retract it. It was notIntelligent on his/her part to print that. As far as the availability of the coaches I don�t think any of the parents or players seem to mind. They all know that an education come first and there was always a qualified coach in the winter and early spring.

Now for the 9th grade team statement, the Top Guns have two 9th grade 2015 teams and one of them won the championship. Your statement shows the immaturity you bring to the game. Grow up it seems your kids are more mature than you.

So thats like 4 out 8 teams not bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well here some proof most of the Top Gun teams won at the All American Showcase. Can't knock success

I believe the 9th grade team lost in the semi finals

Guess they have to get some more out of state players for their team

only 2 out of how many teams like 8 won..

Watching several games at the All American Showcase I was impressed on how well the girls for the Top Guns played as a team. Sure there were one or two girls that stood out but they did not rely on them to win. It was a team effort that won. All the girls on the Top Guns teams had equal skills and could play the game. No, their coaches are not �Lazy� This pasted weekend shows there is some valor to the Top Guns Organization and the person who blog that statement should retract it. It was notIntelligent on his/her part to print that. As far as the availability of the coaches I don�t think any of the parents or players seem to mind. They all know that an education come first and there was always a qualified coach in the winter and early spring.

Now for the 9th grade team statement, the Top Guns have two 9th grade 2015 teams and one of them won the championship. Your statement shows the immaturity you bring to the game. Grow up it seems your kids are more mature than you.

So thats like 4 out 8 teams not bad.

No, 2 out of 7 won

The 2016 team did not lose my daughter is on the team and is wearing a gold medal

2015 are graduating 8 th graders going into 9 th do the math

Yes they on via braveheart in an awesome game 2016 website had info wrong

So if 2018, 2016 and 2015 won that's 3 out of 7 not bad. What about the 2017,2014 and 2013?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if 2018, 2016 and 2015 won that's 3 out of 7 not bad. What about the 2017,2014 and 2013?

Apparently, there is some confusion on the All-American results site with game numbers in some of the semifinals and finals.

In summary, the Top Guns web site is calling out the following final results :

2014 Black All American Showcase Champions
2014 Purple All American Showcase Finalists
2015 Black All American Showcase Champions
2016 Black All American Showcase Champions
2017 Black All American Showcase Finalists
2018 Black All American Showcase Champions

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Watching several games at the All American Showcase I was impressed on how well the girls for the Top Guns played as a team. Sure there were one or two girls that stood out but they did not rely on them to win. It was a team effort that won. All the girls on the Top Guns teams had equal skills and could play the game. No, their coaches are not �Lazy�.

Over the last week, BOTC has watched the discussion with interest on the concept of college students coming back to teach in the Top Guns program as it is something relatively unique in either the Lacrosse or Soccer worlds. When we spoke with the Top Guns staff while booking their summer camps (see the Portal Page today, Monday), we spent a great deal of time talking about the Top Gun program's mission and focus.

While the Top Guns staff might not have the collegiate reach of the Yellow Jackets program, it was clear to BOTC that the goals set for this summer's programs are consistent with increasing knowledge of the game for a reasonable price point.

College achievements of individual players do not necessarily translate into coaching ability. Surely, some of these young folks are learning the art of teaching at the same time they are training the Top Guns players. That said, if you want to know a bit more about the coaching staff for the program, please click here for direct access to more information.

Remember, we established BOTC to increase the visibility on Long Island of both lacrosse, the game, and lacrosse, the business. Your views?

I think being a parent of a Top Gun players, the coaching staff is excellent. The coaching staff is professional yet fun which is what it is about also. They impart their personal experiences with the game into their coaching abilities. I think any travel team should fit into what style you think would best suit your child. It shouldn't be about parents fighting about which travel team is better. Each and every are different in their own ways. As far as the college connections, well I think if your child is gifted they will make a name for themselves

I predict many many more girls going to Top Gun this coming year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I predict many many more girls going to Top Gun this coming year.

Yeah, with 6 out of 8 teams going to the finals and 4 out of 8 winning the championship this past tournament I would agree. However if it not broke don�t fix it. These teams played well and the girls meshed well. If you have an open fill it but don�t change it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I predict many many more girls going to Top Gun this coming year.

Yeah, with 6 out of 8 teams going to the finals and 4 out of 8 winning the championship this past tournament I would agree. However if it not broke don�t fix it. These teams played well and the girls meshed well. If you have an open fill it but don�t change it.

Any other top teams in the tourney? M and D? Skywalkers? Yellow Jackets? etc..? It is great the teams did well, but the competition matters if you are going to talk about how great the teams are doing.

The full listing of Champions and Finalists from the All American Showcase follows. For a full listing of all teams that participated, you will need to refer to the tournament web site.

Division (AAS), Champions, Finalists

Girls MS Champions, LI Top Guns 2016 Black, BBL Elite Terps
Girls MS Elite, Junior Wildcats, LI Top Guns 17 Black
Girls MS Premier, LI Top Guns 2018 Black, Motion V2018
Girls SR A-OPEN Champions, Capital 2013 Blue, Heros 2013
Girls SR A-OPEN Elite, Metro Blue 2013, Skywalkers 13 Blue
Girls SR A-OPEN Platinum, Brandywine Majors 2013, Team 91 2013
Girls SR A-OPEN Premier, SEPA 2013 White, Team 91 (Hills)
Girls SR A-OPEN Ultimate, Mongoose, Wildcat Elite Purple
Girls SR A-OPEN Zenith, Carolina Fever White, Quickstix
Girls SR B Champions, TLC 2014, PA Express 2014 Orange
Girls SR B Elite, LI Top Guns 2014 Black, BBL Elite 2014
Girls SR B Platinum, Dynamite 2014, LI Top Guns 14 Purple
Girls SR B Select, LI Top Guns 2015 Black, Relentless Hustle 2015 Black
Girls SR B Ultimate, Pittsburgh Select 2014, Relax 2014-15
Girls SR B Zenith, BBL Elite 2015 Black, Team 91 2015 Orange

Division (Champions), Champions, Finalists

Girls Champions Champions, M+D, CheckHers Elite
Girls Champions Elite, TLC White, Long Island Express
Girls Champions Premier, X-Treme 2012, Relentless Hustle 2012 Black
Girls Champions Select, Ohio Premier, New Lax
Girls Champions Ultimate, Looney's, Rebels

Please stop fooling yourselves!! All the good teams went
To charm city and ocean city tourney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please stop fooling yourselves!! All the good teams went
To charm city and ocean city tourney.

OK!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I predict many many more girls going to Top Gun this coming year.

Yeah, with 6 out of 8 teams going to the finals and 4 out of 8 winning the championship this past tournament I would agree. However if it not broke don�t fix it. These teams played well and the girls meshed well. If you have an open fill it but don�t change it.

You must have a kid who is not so good or you would welcome better players around her. Any good organization will only look to get better, even if it means your kid goes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must have a kid who is not so good or you would welcome better players around her. Any good organization will only look to get better, even if it means your kid goes.

Hmm, that's what I was thinking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I predict many many more girls going to Top Gun this coming year.

Yeah, with 6 out of 8 teams going to the finals and 4 out of 8 winning the championship this past tournament I would agree. However if it not broke don�t fix it. These teams played well and the girls meshed well. If you have an open fill it but don�t change it.

Any other top teams in the tourney? M and D? Skywalkers? Yellow Jackets? etc..? It is great the teams did well, but the competition matters if you are going to talk about how great the teams are doing.

Not trying to poke holes, but you can't talk about championships if your team is in a B division. It is like winning the NIT in basketball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I predict many many more girls going to Top Gun this coming year.

Yeah, with 6 out of 8 teams going to the finals and 4 out of 8 winning the championship this past tournament I would agree. However if it not broke don�t fix it. These teams played well and the girls meshed well. If you have an open fill it but don�t change it.

You must have a kid who is not so good or you would welcome better players around her. Any good organization will only look to get better, even if it means your kid goes.

No I�m not that self-centered such as you. It really has nothing to do with the playing ability of the girls. It�s the amount of fun the girls have off the field. It�s the tail gate and pizza parties at the hotels, it�s the families of all the teams just having a good time. It�s fun. Coming from the YJ two years ago, we never did things like that. Frankly the YJ�s seemed snobbish.

Oh, how�s 91 working out for you Powderfinger? A little unorganized.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh, how�s 91 working out for you Powderfinger? A little unorganized.

Yup, unorganized. I'm getting timely emails but am pretty sure if I contacted them with a question there'd be no response. LOL Very happy with the coaches we have, though, no complaints there. Also happy with the other girls and parents on the team. All is good except the admin level, which is widely known by all 91 parents to be unreachable.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh, how�s 91 working out for you Powderfinger? A little unorganized.

Yup, unorganized. I'm getting timely emails but am pretty sure if I contacted them with a question there'd be no response. LOL Very happy with the coaches we have, though, no complaints there. Also happy with the other girls and parents on the team. All is good except the admin level, which is widely known by all 91 parents to be unreachable.

Actually I heard very good thing about your coach, nice job on the semifinals too bad about the weather. Good luck in the future. ---<#)

Um I am responding to the comment about the kids on Top Guns not being that good. Well, 2 i know won All County All Division and All Tournament.. Once again notIntelligent statements

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Um I am responding to the comment about the kids on Top Guns not being that good. Well, 2 i know won All County All Division and All Tournament.. Once again notIntelligent statements

Yeah that's great, yellow jackets had over 20 all division and about 30 all county, 8 all tournament so you guys keep trying

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah that's great, yellow jackets had over 20 all division and about 30 all county, 8 all tournament so you guys keep trying

It's remarks like that that just keep the YJ love coming. <rolling eyes>

Not bad for 1,000 YJ girls...2%, 3% and less than 1% of the rosters...

Impressive, keep up the good work...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not bad for 1,000 YJ girls...2%, 3% and less than 1% of the rosters...

Impressive, keep up the good work...

lol. Yes all those YJ elementary and middle school kids should be ashamed of themselves for not making All County!! Your math is rediculous. Actually there were some YJ middle school kids honored as All Division,All County and All tournament! There are good players in both organizations. More in the Yellow Jackets. So what.If you are happy being with Top Gun. Enjoy yourself! Why such anger towards the kids on YJ's? "they are taught to swing sticks,play aggressive etc.." They are a successful organization with good players. It is always easy to hate the "Top Dog" but remember they are all kids who love to play the game too. It is ok to want to beat them but everyone needs to respect each other(including the parents)! Last year one of the tournaments the Top gun teams had tatoo's of yellow Jackets with knives or saw's going through them(a little over the top in my opinion).Remember Competition is good. It makes everyone better. Maybe there will be more maryland teams coming here for tournaments instead of us going on the road all the time. Be safe and enjoy your summers. What ever team you play for!

I said those were three i know of. You are really a superb notIntelligent comment maker. OOOh the Yellow Jackets... we are so scared of them. Funny Top Guns plays quality lacrosse not dirty lacrosse. Because our girls are ladies not men.

You also have multiple teams so your owner gets more bang for her buck. I will look for quality not quantity any day. Good Luck to you I can see your one of "those" parents.. embarrasing .

i agree with your statement YJ parent thank you. But in all fairness in tournaments with your girls it was down and dirty as well. Just be happy with the teams you are on and what you chose. Your daughters will shine if they are stars whether YJ or Top Guns. Have a safe summer as well!

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah that's great, yellow jackets had over 20 all division and about 30 all county, 8 all tournament so you guys keep trying

It's remarks like that that just keep the YJ love coming. <rolling eyes>

Just commenting on top gun statement

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not bad for 1,000 YJ girls...2%, 3% and less than 1% of the rosters...

Impressive, keep up the good work...

Yeah the 3rd graders don't usually make all county!
If you take all the lax clubs on long island more all division and all county and all American players come from yj more than the other teams combined. This is not counting nassau county, look at garden city where most of those fantastic players all are yj and st. Anthonys where a few of them go to. Trust me yj produces the most impressive mat of talented players hence the huge numbers at tryouts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not bad for 1,000 YJ girls...2%, 3% and less than 1% of the rosters...

Impressive, keep up the good work...

lol. Yes all those YJ elementary and middle school kids should be ashamed of themselves for not making All County!! Your math is rediculous. Actually there were some YJ middle school kids honored as All Division,All County and All tournament! There are good players in both organizations. More in the Yellow Jackets. So what.If you are happy being with Top Gun. Enjoy yourself! Why such anger towards the kids on YJ's? "they are taught to swing sticks,play aggressive etc.." They are a successful organization with good players. It is always easy to hate the "Top Dog" but remember they are all kids who love to play the game too. It is ok to want to beat them but everyone needs to respect each other(including the parents)! Last year one of the tournaments the Top gun teams had tatoo's of yellow Jackets with knives or saw's going through them(a little over the top in my opinion).Remember Competition is good. It makes everyone better. Maybe there will be more maryland teams coming here for tournaments instead of us going on the road all the time. Be safe and enjoy your summers. What ever team you play for!

Just my 2 cents, I agree with you if your happy with the team good and god bless, but you hit the nail on the head by saying "They are taught to swing sticks, play aggressive etc...� The anger is NOT towards the kids but rather on how the YJ organization is training. There taught to swing sticks, NOT to control sticks. There taught to be aggressive towards their opponents and NOT to the ball. So they swing their sticks at their opponent to get the ball. A little over the top don�t you think. Sounds like boy�s lacrosse to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not bad for 1,000 YJ girls...2%, 3% and less than 1% of the rosters...

Impressive, keep up the good work...

lol. Yes all those YJ elementary and middle school kids should be ashamed of themselves for not making All County!! Your math is rediculous. Actually there were some YJ middle school kids honored as All Division,All County and All tournament! There are good players in both organizations. More in the Yellow Jackets. So what.If you are happy being with Top Gun. Enjoy yourself! Why such anger towards the kids on YJ's? "they are taught to swing sticks,play aggressive etc.." They are a successful organization with good players. It is always easy to hate the "Top Dog" but remember they are all kids who love to play the game too. It is ok to want to beat them but everyone needs to respect each other(including the parents)! Last year one of the tournaments the Top gun teams had tatoo's of yellow Jackets with knives or saw's going through them(a little over the top in my opinion).Remember Competition is good. It makes everyone better. Maybe there will be more maryland teams coming here for tournaments instead of us going on the road all the time. Be safe and enjoy your summers. What ever team you play for!

Just my 2 cents, I agree with you if your happy with the team good and god bless, but you hit the nail on the head by saying "They are taught to swing sticks, play aggressive etc...� The anger is NOT towards the kids but rather on how the YJ organization is training. There taught to swing sticks, NOT to control sticks. There taught to be aggressive towards their opponents and NOT to the ball. So they swing their sticks at their opponent to get the ball. A little over the top don�t you think. Sounds like boy�s lacrosse to me.

I should say their allowed to swing their sticks and allowed to be aggressive towards their opponent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not bad for 1,000 YJ girls...2%, 3% and less than 1% of the rosters...

Impressive, keep up the good work...

lol. Yes all those YJ elementary and middle school kids should be ashamed of themselves for not making All County!! Your math is rediculous. Actually there were some YJ middle school kids honored as All Division,All County and All tournament! There are good players in both organizations. More in the Yellow Jackets. So what.If you are happy being with Top Gun. Enjoy yourself! Why such anger towards the kids on YJ's? "they are taught to swing sticks,play aggressive etc.." They are a successful organization with good players. It is always easy to hate the "Top Dog" but remember they are all kids who love to play the game too. It is ok to want to beat them but everyone needs to respect each other(including the parents)! Last year one of the tournaments the Top gun teams had tatoo's of yellow Jackets with knives or saw's going through them(a little over the top in my opinion).Remember Competition is good. It makes everyone better. Maybe there will be more maryland teams coming here for tournaments instead of us going on the road all the time. Be safe and enjoy your summers. What ever team you play for!

Just my 2 cents, I agree with you if your happy with the team good and god bless, but you hit the nail on the head by saying "They are taught to swing sticks, play aggressive etc...� The anger is NOT towards the kids but rather on how the YJ organization is training. There taught to swing sticks, NOT to control sticks. There taught to be aggressive towards their opponents and NOT to the ball. So they swing their sticks at their opponent to get the ball. A little over the top don�t you think. Sounds like boy�s lacrosse to me.

I wasn't saying that they swing their sticks uncontrollably. I was paraphrasing a previous post(assuming by a Top Gun parent).I think the YJ teams are very different from each other. Some play harder than others.By no means do I see ANY coach teaching the kids to play illlegally. Do some teams have pressure double teaming defenses that resemble the boys game, absolutely! Is it within the rules? Absolutely! I don't think parents from other clubs are comfortable with their kids being under that much constant pressure. If you watched garden City this year, that is what impressed me about that group. They pressured out on the ball and never let anyone get comfortable. Many of the YJ teams do the same thing. I have not seen any coaches telling the kids to slash, poke check etc..If so, how are these kids surviving in HS with the 2 yellow card rule? It is almost like if a girl plays as hard as she can, people say she "plays like a boy". Why are the girls suppose to sit back and ease up ? Because they are girls? The game is suppose to look prettier? These kids are athletes, let them play like a athletes.Not illegally but intensely.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not bad for 1,000 YJ girls...2%, 3% and less than 1% of the rosters...

Impressive, keep up the good work...

lol. Yes all those YJ elementary and middle school kids should be ashamed of themselves for not making All County!! Your math is rediculous. Actually there were some YJ middle school kids honored as All Division,All County and All tournament! There are good players in both organizations. More in the Yellow Jackets. So what.If you are happy being with Top Gun. Enjoy yourself! Why such anger towards the kids on YJ's? "they are taught to swing sticks,play aggressive etc.." They are a successful organization with good players. It is always easy to hate the "Top Dog" but remember they are all kids who love to play the game too. It is ok to want to beat them but everyone needs to respect each other(including the parents)! Last year one of the tournaments the Top gun teams had tatoo's of yellow Jackets with knives or saw's going through them(a little over the top in my opinion).Remember Competition is good. It makes everyone better. Maybe there will be more maryland teams coming here for tournaments instead of us going on the road all the time. Be safe and enjoy your summers. What ever team you play for!

Just my 2 cents, I agree with you if your happy with the team good and god bless, but you hit the nail on the head by saying "They are taught to swing sticks, play aggressive etc...� The anger is NOT towards the kids but rather on how the YJ organization is training. There taught to swing sticks, NOT to control sticks. There taught to be aggressive towards their opponents and NOT to the ball. So they swing their sticks at their opponent to get the ball. A little over the top don�t you think. Sounds like boy�s lacrosse to me.

I wasn't saying that they swing their sticks uncontrollably. I was paraphrasing a previous post(assuming by a Top Gun parent).I think the YJ teams are very different from each other. Some play harder than others.By no means do I see ANY coach teaching the kids to play illlegally. Do some teams have pressure double teaming defenses that resemble the boys game, absolutely! Is it within the rules? Absolutely! I don't think parents from other clubs are comfortable with their kids being under that much constant pressure. If you watched garden City this year, that is what impressed me about that group. They pressured out on the ball and never let anyone get comfortable. Many of the YJ teams do the same thing. I have not seen any coaches telling the kids to slash, poke check etc..If so, how are these kids surviving in HS with the 2 yellow card rule? It is almost like if a girl plays as hard as she can, people say she "plays like a boy". Why are the girls suppose to sit back and ease up ? Because they are girls? The game is suppose to look prettier? These kids are athletes, let them play like a athletes.Not illegally but intensely.

We�re getting closer to an agreement. Yes I have seen Garden City and I loved how they pressured and doubled teamed the ball and that�s good. May be it�s the transition from rising stars / JV to HS Varsity. I have seen and was told by younger players on the YJ that they were told to do anything to stop the play. Take the penalty so that other girls can position them self for better defense. If that�s the case, than they are being taught to win at all cost and not the game and control. Call me old fashion but at the rising stars / JV level the game and control should be taught.

What do you consider JV level? Many of these kids are playing Varsity by 7th or 8th grade!

When are the next tryouts for Top Guns being held?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What do you consider JV level? Many of these kids are playing Varsity by 7th or 8th grade!

Graduation years 2016, 2015 and 2014, some schools only allow 9th graders and up to play varsity. Why do you ask?

When is the next YJ tryouts!! Dont want
To miss that!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not bad for 1,000 YJ girls...2%, 3% and less than 1% of the rosters...

Impressive, keep up the good work...

lol. Yes all those YJ elementary and middle school kids should be ashamed of themselves for not making All County!! Your math is rediculous. Actually there were some YJ middle school kids honored as All Division,All County and All tournament! There are good players in both organizations. More in the Yellow Jackets. So what.If you are happy being with Top Gun. Enjoy yourself! Why such anger towards the kids on YJ's? "they are taught to swing sticks,play aggressive etc.." They are a successful organization with good players. It is always easy to hate the "Top Dog" but remember they are all kids who love to play the game too. It is ok to want to beat them but everyone needs to respect each other(including the parents)! Last year one of the tournaments the Top gun teams had tatoo's of yellow Jackets with knives or saw's going through them(a little over the top in my opinion).Remember Competition is good. It makes everyone better. Maybe there will be more maryland teams coming here for tournaments instead of us going on the road all the time. Be safe and enjoy your summers. What ever team you play for!

Just my 2 cents, I agree with you if your happy with the team good and god bless, but you hit the nail on the head by saying "They are taught to swing sticks, play aggressive etc...� The anger is NOT towards the kids but rather on how the YJ organization is training. There taught to swing sticks, NOT to control sticks. There taught to be aggressive towards their opponents and NOT to the ball. So they swing their sticks at their opponent to get the ball. A little over the top don�t you think. Sounds like boy�s lacrosse to me.

I wasn't saying that they swing their sticks uncontrollably. I was paraphrasing a previous post(assuming by a Top Gun parent).I think the YJ teams are very different from each other. Some play harder than others.By no means do I see ANY coach teaching the kids to play illlegally. Do some teams have pressure double teaming defenses that resemble the boys game, absolutely! Is it within the rules? Absolutely! I don't think parents from other clubs are comfortable with their kids being under that much constant pressure. If you watched garden City this year, that is what impressed me about that group. They pressured out on the ball and never let anyone get comfortable. Many of the YJ teams do the same thing. I have not seen any coaches telling the kids to slash, poke check etc..If so, how are these kids surviving in HS with the 2 yellow card rule? It is almost like if a girl plays as hard as she can, people say she "plays like a boy". Why are the girls suppose to sit back and ease up ? Because they are girls? The game is suppose to look prettier? These kids are athletes, let them play like a athletes.Not illegally but intensely.

Well u want to know how those crazy stick swinging YJ kids
End up? Well tues night in Suffolk they were all All Americans!! Go YJ

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When is the next YJ tryouts!! Dont want
To miss that!!!

You must have a ton of money. All the YJ's are good for is taking money are charging more fees. Adopt me please.

Top Gun results at Lax Inception (Maryland) - interestingly, the Top Guns were not placed in any of the same brackets as the Yellow Jackets teams at the tournament.

2013 Black : 2W-1L-1T, 42GF, 28GA, Fourth

2014 Black : 3W-0L-0T, 48GF, 17GA, Still Playing
2014 Purple: 2W-0L-1T, 35GF, 11GA, Still Playing

Go Top Guns

2013 Black : 2W-1L-1T, 42GF, 28GA,

2014 Black : 4W-0L-0T, 68GF, 17GA,
2014 Purple: 3W-0L-1T, 45GF, 14GA,

The Top Guns 2014 Black team put down scores of 16-6, 18-4 (over T3 Lacrosse), 14-7 and 20-0 (over Future Elite). Seriously with those scores? Wrong bracket placement?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Top Guns 2014 Black team put down scores of 16-6, 18-4 (over T3 Lacrosse), 14-7 and 20-0 (over Future Elite). Seriously with those scores? Wrong bracket placement?

Really that�s all you got? What can one say, the team is good. Must be the coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Top Guns 2014 Black team put down scores of 16-6, 18-4 (over T3 Lacrosse), 14-7 and 20-0 (over Future Elite). Seriously with those scores? Wrong bracket placement?

Really that�s all you got? What can one say, the team is good. Must be the coaching.

They were in the B bracket. The team might be good, but I am sure even the parents on that team were not happy with the competition. The teams were awful.

Incorrect...2016 won the championship in OT. Daughter on the team. Thanks.

You are right...2016 won. Was there and it was great!!!

You hit the nail on the head!!! Your YJ (not all, but some) parental philosophy is to think your daughter will earn such honors and play D1 lax and get a "full ride" even if thats not what she is meant to do. You will feel better about YOURSELF as you drive to the tournaments in your Escalade filled with your chardonnay and finger foods saying...My daughter plays for the YJ Fuscia colored team and she WILL go to Hopkins even if she wants to go to Dowling cause thats what I want. SAD really! Let the kids be kids and keep your personal regrets to yourself and stop broadcasting them onto your young impressionable girls. Enjoy the club you are a part of and watch these girls from different clubs hugging each other after the games as the parents finger point and bicker. Quite amusing.

Thank You BOTC for doing the research on the Top Guns program. The visceral thoughts that were flying from the Yellow Jacket consortium made it difficult to understand the true argument. Having a daughter in another program and looking for an alternative led me here. After reading all the posts and especially yours, coupled with some personal research the choice is clear. Look forward to hopefully joining Top Guns next year!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank You BOTC for doing the research on the Top Guns program. The visceral thoughts that were flying from the Yellow Jacket consortium made it difficult to understand the true argument. Having a daughter in another program and looking for an alternative led me here. After reading all the posts and especially yours, coupled with some personal research the choice is clear. Look forward to hopefully joining Top Guns next year!!!

Bring on National Draw!

I predict a sweep in all age groups

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank You BOTC for doing the research on the Top Guns program. The visceral thoughts that were flying from the Yellow Jacket consortium made it difficult to understand the true argument. Having a daughter in another program and looking for an alternative led me here. After reading all the posts and especially yours, coupled with some personal research the choice is clear. Look forward to hopefully joining Top Guns next year!!!

Same here! Anyone have any idea when the next tryouts for the 2011-2012 season are? Or when the tryouts were for this season, just to get a timeframe when the next tryouts will be held!

Sounds like YJ parents are a bit nervous about what is going on with Topguns.

Yj parents are nervous because some LI teams are coming close to beating them. YJ teams aren't as strong as they were in the past.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yj parents are nervous because some LI teams are coming close to beating them. YJ teams aren't as strong as they were in the past.

Really you guys are getting a little ahead of yourselves. The past 2 tourneys you played terrible teams in B or lower divisions. When you win in every age group this weekend at National Draw including beating every YJ age group then you can come on here and Brag. No whining about missing players or bad ref calls. Get to and win the finals in EVERY age group. Looking forward to the results on Saturday & Sunday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yj parents are nervous because some LI teams are coming close to beating them. YJ teams aren't as strong as they were in the past.

Really you guys are getting a little ahead of yourselves. The past 2 tourneys you played terrible teams in B or lower divisions. When you win in every age group this weekend at National Draw including beating every YJ age group then you can come on here and Brag. No whining about missing players or bad ref calls. Get to and win the finals in EVERY age group. Looking forward to the results on Saturday & Sunday.

Yeah Top Guns are totally different than YJ. There is no favoritism, oh wait, if you are from Babylon or West Babylon there might be a little....Um there are no parent coaches who let their kid play the whole game....oh wait yeah there is that....there are no screaming parents who are plain crazy....uh oh, wait yep there are a few that are certifiable. Wait, there must be some difference. Hmm. well if we get more players we can create multiple teams like 3 or 4 in every age group then we would be different! No Wait, we would be just like those darn YJ teams. Wow, this is tough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yj parents are nervous because some LI teams are coming close to beating them. YJ teams aren't as strong as they were in the past.

Hey Top Guns parents were smarter than this; after all we went to Top Guns. Keep it clean and show respect. I will admit the girls are playing really good but these are our kids and after all it about the fun and a good clean game plus the BBQ. Enjoy and see you this weekend.

who are you talking about?

topdogs???? who mentioned topdogs? Yj have close games with all LI teams now. YJ girls are leaving for other clubs, most are not happy there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

topdogs???? who mentioned topdogs? Yj have close games with all LI teams now. YJ girls are leaving for other clubs, most are not happy there.

Another blanket statement! How do you know? Have you spoken with over 300 kids to see if they are happy? I don't hear too much complaining!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

topdogs???? who mentioned topdogs? Yj have close games with all LI teams now. YJ girls are leaving for other clubs, most are not happy there.

Another blanket statement! How do you know? Have you spoken with over 300 kids to see if they are happy? I don't hear too much complaining!

Thanks for the input Carole!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

topdogs???? who mentioned topdogs? Yj have close games with all LI teams now. YJ girls are leaving for other clubs, most are not happy there.

Another blanket statement! How do you know? Have you spoken with over 300 kids to see if they are happy? I don't hear too much complaining!

Thanks for the input Carole!

BOTC is in constant contact with the Yellow Jackets organization and we can tell you that aside from being a key advertising partner, the organization does not post. So, care to guess again?

funny thing is that there are many girls across all of these clubs that have friends on clubs other than their own. These crazy parents (losers trying to relive the success they never had through their children) that drum up all of this ill will. Sad. Let them play.

Yeah right.

yeah right

What a joke, the 2017 Top Guns got their butts kicked by a regular town team, Middle Country, ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.

and YJ had something to do with that , I'm sure

Yellowjackets make up schedule?

Wow you people are just way over the top why doesn't everyone just enjoy their teams and enjoy good lacrosse and the games well... they will speak for themselves and yes I am a Top Gun parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What a joke, the 2017 Top Guns got their butts kicked by a regular town team, Middle Country, ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.

When did Middle Country play Top Gun??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow you people are just way over the top why doesn't everyone just enjoy their teams and enjoy good lacrosse and the games well... they will speak for themselves and yes I am a Top Gun parent

Agreed!!! It�s getting out of hand. Please let�s enjoy the game.

a few weeks ago in a tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

a few weeks ago in a tournament.

Any given day any team can usually beat a team or be beaten. Sometimes town teams can be stronger than even a club team because these girls have been playing together for years. You have to remember that top guns is a new organization and these girls have not been playing together for very long. I say competition is great. The next time these teams meet maybe the reverse will happen!

i am a top guns PLAYER, and i think this rivalry between parents is ridiculous. All that matters is what team your happy on. I your happy on Yellow Jackets, so be it. If your happy on Top Guns, so be it. Some of my best friends play on Yellow Jackets, and most players look at it as friendly competition. Why is there need for arguments like this? A 2017 team? they are in 6th grade. I'm not even an adult and i understand this is outrageous. Instead of arguing, why can't everyone just enjoy the game? as a player, and i speak for all tournament players when it comes to this, why can't we just play, leave it on the field, and that's it?

YJ parent mentality is different than all others

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i am a top guns PLAYER, and i think this rivalry between parents is ridiculous. All that matters is what team your happy on. I your happy on Yellow Jackets, so be it. If your happy on Top Guns, so be it. Some of my best friends play on Yellow Jackets, and most players look at it as friendly competition. Why is there need for arguments like this? A 2017 team? they are in 6th grade. I'm not even an adult and i understand this is outrageous. Instead of arguing, why can't everyone just enjoy the game? as a player, and i speak for all tournament players when it comes to this, why can't we just play, leave it on the field, and that's it?

Actually a top gun player started talking trash talk the other day towards a yellow jacket player that she is actually friendly with. Right out of the blue. So if you think rivalry is just between parents or is just one sided yj against top gun, then you are wrong. It does happen. Trust me girls can be very nasty to each other. Probably worse than boys!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i am a top guns PLAYER, and i think this rivalry between parents is ridiculous. All that matters is what team your happy on. I your happy on Yellow Jackets, so be it. If your happy on Top Guns, so be it. Some of my best friends play on Yellow Jackets, and most players look at it as friendly competition. Why is there need for arguments like this? A 2017 team? they are in 6th grade. I'm not even an adult and i understand this is outrageous. Instead of arguing, why can't everyone just enjoy the game? as a player, and i speak for all tournament players when it comes to this, why can't we just play, leave it on the field, and that's it?

Actually a top gun player started talking trash talk the other day towards a yellow jacket player that she is actually friendly with. Right out of the blue. So if you think rivalry is just between parents or is just one sided yj against top gun, then you are wrong. It does happen. Trust me girls can be very nasty to each other. Probably worse than boys!!

If you ever went on Back of the Net you would see the same thing. If you take what is said seriously on this type of forum then you need to chill out a little.

top guns getting a lot of run from YJ parents and players, must be something to that. are you scared of something?

YJ15 blue beat your TG15 black... What happened? not even a goal

Any teams need a player or guest player? A 2014 middie is looking for a team. Any suggestions?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any teams need a player or guest player? A 2014 middie is looking for a team. Any suggestions?

Please be sure to post the details on our Tryouts Board.

Really that is the reply you have to a kid? Well written Top Gun Player leave it on the field!

It's so quiet on this thread...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's so quiet on this thread...

... National Draw burnout! Not much to argue after this weekend's results, is there?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's so quiet on this thread...

... National Draw burnout! Not much to argue after this weekend's results, is there?

Regardless of who won or lost it was a fun weekend. Congrats to Yrllow Jackets  keep going Top Guns.

Regardless of who won or lost it was a fun weekend. Congrats to Yellow Jackets. Keep going Top Guns.

What age does the Top Guns program start?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What age does the Top Guns program start?

They have a graduation year of 2018 now and will most likely add a 2019 next season. Go to their web site and inquire about their camps they start next week and will always take walk-on campers. www.litopguns.com

Last night on News 12's 10:00pm report, there was a nice story about the Top Guns Lacrosse Camp Fundraiser for the reconstruction of the South Bay Elementary School in the West Babylon School District.

Shannon Smith, one of the camp directors, in the interview cited her experiences at the school as a youngster and those of her father a generation before as key reasons why she decided to hold this fundraiser camp.

A solid turnout of 80+ young ladies at this three day morning camp who are getting some solid skills training (despite the heat) and helping to raise funds for a worthy cause.

BOTC raises a glass to thank Shannon and those involved in this fundraiser for Long Island in general and West Babylon specifically.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Last night on News 12's 10:00pm report, there was a nice story about the Top Guns Lacrosse Camp Fundraiser for the reconstruction of the South Bay Elementary School in the West Babylon School District.

Shannon Smith, one of the camp directors, in the interview cited her experiences at the school as a youngster and those of her father a generation before as key reasons why she decided to hold this fundraiser camp.

A solid turnout of 80+ young ladies at this three day morning camp who are getting some solid skills training (despite the heat) and helping to raise funds for a worthy cause.

BOTC raises a glass to thank Shannon and those involved in this fundraiser for Long Island in general and West Babylon specifically.

Does anyone know when tryouts are?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know when tryouts are?

BOTC will be providing information about the next round of Top Guns tryouts when they are available. Meanwhile, you can contact their organization via the link in the header on the BOTC pages.

14 topguns B team beats up on 14 YJ gold. YJ blue teams are ok, after that they are nothing.

score was 5-4 a real beat down!! Get a grip

I was there YJ parents were crying after the game

YJ coach will probably get fired.

Yea Ok I was there too!! That never happened. The big 1 point Blowout!!

At Least YJ kids dont get caught STEALING at NATIONAL DRAW thats GREAT for the Reputation your building!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At Least YJ kids dont get caught STEALING at NATIONAL DRAW thats GREAT for the Reputation your building!!

This is a fairly serious accusation made anonymously. Please provide details for BOTC Industries to validate. This posting is in violation of the Board Rules and will require documentation.

Please supply details immediately.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At Least YJ kids dont get caught STEALING at NATIONAL DRAW thats GREAT for the Reputation your building!!

Apparently a top gun player was caught trying to steal from a vendor and the police were called. The directors at National Draw sent out a memo to this effect that there is a zero tolerance for this kind of action. This memo went to all of the participants. It will be interesting to see if their club is asked back next year. By the way, There is no way anyone from Top Guns is going to admit this.
I heard this from parents that were there at the time.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At Least YJ kids dont get caught STEALING at NATIONAL DRAW thats GREAT for the Reputation your building!!

This is a fairly serious accusation made anonymously. Please provide details for BOTC Industries to validate. This posting is in violation of the Board Rules and will require documentation.

Please supply details immediately.

You can call the Tournament Directors at National Draw but I doubt that they would be able to discuss what happened.

its true....witnessed it myself first hand.
signed another LI Club parent.

You can't blame a club for a child's actions off the field. Place the blame where it belongs, on that individual and that individual alone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can't blame a club for a child's actions off the field. Place the blame where it belongs, on that individual and that individual alone.

BOTC agrees that there is no blame to be assigned to the club for the poor choices of a player. That said, the club's response to the situation is important. Responses could include:

Mandatory curfews for all players,
Mandatory team dinners and meetings in the evenings,
Additional chaperones or parent attendance requirements,
Circulation of a zero tolerance policy for any additional summer season off-field issues,
Development of a revised travel policy with effect for the Summer 2012 season,
Required apologies, letters, and community service if required.

Now, BOTC is not judge and jury on this topic. In fact, this is for the player, family, police, and other agencies to handle. Our point is that this is a teachable moment for the entire club, particularly one in the early years, to decide what they represent going forward.

[quote=Anonymous]You can't blame a club for a child's actions off the field. Place the blame where it belongs, on that individual and that individual alone.

Unless its a Yellow Jacket kid of course then the whole club would have been crucified!!

thats right, just look at there parents at games, then you see why the kids are the way they are

it was 1 kid you idiot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

it was 1 kid you idiot

That is no way to play in the anonymous sandbox, particularly when you refer to a CageSage posting. Whether it was one player or a dozen players, it is a teachable moment for the player, the team, and the club.

Enough of this my daughter/team/club/parents are holy~er than thou. Unless you can speak for every kid and every parent of every team for the entire history of the club, then you should avoid this slippery slope of casting judgement. There is a reason these tournaments issue the shoplifting statements prior to the tournaments, it has been a big problem in the past, long before topguns even came into being. This anonymous name calling and mud slinging is ugly and embarassing, why don't you all dwell on the positives of the sport. Remember, we are all a part of the same community!

FOR THE KIDS...lets remember that line. Lets just all get along. Win gracefully and lose gracefully. It can and must be done if we have any hope of teaching our girls the right way to behave. C'mon...let this be a new start!!!

Great sentiment on a fresh start. Hope you all listened to the U.S. World Cup women's soccer captain upon their loss to Japan. Classy comments about their opponent and how they will gear up for the Olympics next. Lets unite Long Island against Maryland and Jersey etc.

Couldn't agree more its about the kids and their successes.Yellow or purple uniforms it doesn't matter. Win and lose gracefully!

One kid caught stealing should not keep the rest of the club from beeing invited back. Obviously the kid should be punished but remember itis still just a kid. The person that stated that the top gun team beat yj gold so badly is a sad little person who hides behind a computer screen making up stories.

Girls Club National Championship Results

2012 CUP Winner: NEMS
2013 CUP Winner: NEMS
2014 CUP Winner: M&D Black
2015 CUP Winner: Long Island Top Guns
2016 CUP Winner: M&D Black
2017/18 CUP Winner: SJS Pink

2012 PLATE Winner: Relentless Hustle Black
2014 PLATE Winner: Long Island Top Guns
2015 PLATE Winner: LI Express
2016 PLATE Winner: TLC RED
2017/18 PLATE Winner: BBL Elite

The back and forth MUST stop. C'mon guys and girls...lets show everyone we can get along! From this point forward lets not engage in petty name calling and accusations. AGREED?

I know you are but what am I?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know you are but what am I?

yellow jackets beats top guns at u15 national championships 12 to 6! Top guns had 5 yellow cards and yellow jackets had 0.

I guess that shows who the top club is now...wasn't even a close game. Looks like bringing in the ringers didn't pay off either!!! Let's see how many are wearing yellow next season bc the reality of this entire crap is. The kids love who they at with at the end of the day they can't even remember the scores of their games...it's the crazy parents who are on hear arguing!!! I'm guessing it will never end but that yellow will probally be adding another team at the 14 level bc it proves who the dominate program on the island is. Run by SEASONED adults...not a college grad I don't care how good a player you are doesn't make you a great coach. Remember she once wore yellow until she realized the money she could make.

Key final day competition results in the U15 National Championship

Friday, July 22 - Semifinals/Finals and Consolation Games

Semifinal Games
Long Island (N.Y.) Yellow Jackets 12, Long Island (N.Y.) Top Guns 6
Stars Gold (Va.) 14, vs. Top of the Bay (Md.) 9

Championship Game
Noon - Yellow Jackets (N.Y.) vs. Stars Gold (Va.), Field 18

Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19

I would say your wrong!! Have you seen the YJ 14 green team. They beat there gold team 9-2 in a scrimmage without their top players even being there. Sign up for LI Elite and and ask to play them...I bet the outcome will not be what's expected!!! I've watch them play!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know you are but what am I?

yellow jackets beats top guns at u15 national championships 12 to 6! Top guns had 5 yellow cards and yellow jackets had 0.

. Good job, congrats, hopefully we'll get onne back next time.

Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19

Report from the field : Top of the Bay leads the Long Island Top Guns, 4-2, approximately 15 minutes into the match. More updates as they become available.

Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19

Report from the field : Long Island Top Guns close the gap to 4-3 with slightly under 9 minutes remaining.

Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19

Report from the field : Teams trade goals with score now standing at 5-4 with seven minutes remaining in the first half.

You sound so sad and bitter in your win, congrats anyway. Kids won't be flocking away from tguns, came up just a bit shhort to a great team. Not bad for a program that was just started. Imagine the young teams coming down the pipes, learning through the system and having played together for years. Worry not, the future for top guns is extremely bright. Great game girls!

Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19

Top Guns equalize just before the half and the teams head to the locker room knotted at five goals each. Five different goal scorers for the Top Guns in this match.

Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19

The break did the Top Guns well netting three in the opening three minutes of the second hald. Top Guns lead, 8-6, with 21 minutes remaining.

Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19

Scoring Update : Top Guns still lead, 8-7, 19:00 Remaining.

Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19

Scoring Update : Top Guns lead now, 9-7, 11:00 remaining. Riley Hill and Alexa Smith with two goals each. Shannon Smith doing an excellent job behind the bench for the Top Guns up until this point.

Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19

Top of the Bay surges to a 10-9 lead with only four minutes remaining. Details are sketchy at this point - action is fierce on the field.

Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19

Approximately 90 seconds remaining - still 10-9.

Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19

Top Guns equalize with 36 seconds remaining, 10-10. The noise eruption is out of control - can barely hear yourself think between these two fantastic final matches taking place.

Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19

... AND IT GOES TO OVERTIME FOR THE BRONZE MEDAL IN THE U/15 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!

Kaileen Hart tied it for the Guns with about 30 seconds left. Later, she had the ball for a free position attempt at :00.7 on the clock. She fired a shot, but the horn sounded at :00.0 before the ball crossed the goal line. Center and trail umpires waved it off right away.

Overtime will be sudden victory and death.

Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19

Final Result : Top of the Bay takes the Bronze Medal - free position goal with 1:15 remaining on the clock in overtime. Heartbreaking loss for the Top Guns who played so valiantly in this National Third Place final.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know you are but what am I?

Real classy...if you are a parent you should be embarrassed. If you are a child your parents should be embarrassed again. Either way let the hostility go dude.
Anyone reading this thread will clearly see who is perpetuating the animosity and not being civil (anonymously of course). Great job at Nationals to ALL THE GIRLS. YJs and TGs. You girls are awesome and it was great seeing you all together talking after the game.

THANKS GURU!! for your reporting. This TG parent appreciates your efforts greatly. Keep up the good work. Congrats to the YJs on a job well done!!

Yes, job very well done guru, much appreciated!

Do the Top Guns have a 4th grade team or do they start at 5th?

Way to Go Top Guns at the U15 National Championship in Florida. We were so proud of you and your coaching staff. Remember we have only been together 2 years and look at all you have achieved. Things will only go upward from here!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Way to Go Top Guns at the U15 National Championship in Florida. We were so proud of you and your coaching staff. Remember we have only been together 2 years and look at all you have achieved. Things will only go upward from here!

Yes congrats on 4th place!!

U/15 National Championships - Lacrosse Magazine All-Tournament Team. The 12-player team in alphabetical order, with positions and club programs noted:

Kasey Behr, M, Yellow Jackets (N.Y.)
Kathryn Cavallo, D, Stars Gold (Va.)
Olivia Cole, G, Stars Gold (Va.)
Caroline Cummings, M, Nor Cal Elite
Alex Flobeck, D, Yellow Jackets (N.Y.)
Ana Hagerup, M, Stars Gold (Va.)
Kyra Harney, A, Yellow Jackets (N.Y.)
Riley Hill, A, Long Island Top Guns (N.Y.)
Miranda Ibello, M, Top of the Bay (Md.)
Charlotte Sofield, M, Stars Gold (Va.)
Kaitlin Trombetta, M, Yellow Jackets (N.Y.)
Emma Wall, A, Top of the Bay (Md.)

Just wanted to say that my daughter attended the top gun camp at shoreham h.s. last week. I watched a little and was very impressed with how the college players helped the girls. She came away extremely happy with her experience. Too bad they don't have a team for 4th graders or she, as well as some of her friends who were also at the camp, would try out. Hey Top Guns, how about a 4th grade team??!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just wanted to say that my daughter attended the top gun camp at shoreham h.s. last week. I watched a little and was very impressed with how the college players helped the girls. She came away extremely happy with her experience. Too bad they don't have a team for 4th graders or she, as well as some of her friends who were also at the camp, would try out. Hey Top Guns, how about a 4th grade team??!!

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Too bad it was so far out east on the island. I know a lot of girls who wanted to go but it's a hike from nassau county

If the girls are good enough, I'm sure they can go on the 5th grade team. Just sign up for the tryouts. Worst case scenario, you paid for a two hour clinic and she knows better what to expect next year. Nothing to lose. And if enough girls did the tryouts, I'm sure that they would form a 4th grade team.

How many tournaments and which ones did top 2015 girls team attend this past season? I am interested in letting my daughter tryoutWRSNYC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just wanted to say that my daughter attended the top gun camp at shoreham h.s. last week. I watched a little and was very impressed with how the college players helped the girls. She came away extremely happy with her experience. Too bad they don't have a team for 4th graders or she, as well as some of her friends who were also at the camp, would try out. Hey Top Guns, how about a 4th grade team??!!

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Too bad it was so far out east on the island. I know a lot of girls who wanted to go but it's a hike from nassau county

In addition to the shoreham camp they ran one from west babylon too, a bit closer for the nassau crowd.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In addition to the shoreham camp they ran one from west babylon too, a bit closer for the nassau crowd.

Remember that there is one more summer camp on offer from the Top Guns during the week of August 8th in West Babylon.

Top Guns Camp - August 8th-August 11th - West Babylon

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just wanted to say that my daughter attended the top gun camp at shoreham h.s. last week. I watched a little and was very impressed with how the college players helped the girls. She came away extremely happy with her experience. Too bad they don't have a team for 4th graders or she, as well as some of her friends who were also at the camp, would try out. Hey Top Guns, how about a 4th grade team??!!

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Too bad it was so far out east on the island. I know a lot of girls who wanted to go but it's a hike from nassau county

In addition to the shoreham camp they ran one from west babylon too, a bit closer for the nassau crowd.

True but the WEst Babylon camp had a specific focus, different from the Shorham camp.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the girls are good enough, I'm sure they can go on the 5th grade team. Just sign up for the tryouts. Worst case scenario, you paid for a two hour clinic and she knows better what to expect next year. Nothing to lose. And if enough girls did the tryouts, I'm sure that they would form a 4th grade team.

I'm not so sure they would form a forth grade team. All the tournaments, the lowest start for the pools is 6th grade. So a fifth grade team is already pushing it. But your right, forth graders can play up with the fifth graders. It's amazing the physical size difference of a fourth/fifth grade team playing against pure sixth grade teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the girls are good enough, I'm sure they can go on the 5th grade team. Just sign up for the tryouts. Worst case scenario, you paid for a two hour clinic and she knows better what to expect next year. Nothing to lose. And if enough girls did the tryouts, I'm sure that they would form a 4th grade team.

I'm not so sure they would form a forth grade team. All the tournaments, the lowest start for the pools is 6th grade. So a fifth grade team is already pushing it. But your right, forth graders can play up with the fifth graders. It's amazing the physical size difference of a fourth/fifth grade team playing against pure sixth grade teams.

Actually fifth grade is a little late to specialize in lacs. I've heard through a reliable source that most of the for profit organizations are going to begin teams starting at one year old. They've created a pacifier that doubles as a lacs stick for a small ball. The only requirement is the child needs to be able to take 4 steps without stopping and has to be potty trained so there is no number two going on during practice. Costs will be a little higher than the older girls programs but the early start is almost assurred to result in full college scholarships for all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually fifth grade is a little late to specialize in lacs. I've heard through a reliable source that most of the for profit organizations are going to begin teams starting at one year old. They've created a pacifier that doubles as a lacs stick for a small ball. The only requirement is the child needs to be able to take 4 steps without stopping and has to be potty trained so there is no number two going on during practice. Costs will be a little higher than the older girls programs but the early start is almost assurred to result in full college scholarships for all.

Ummm. This seems like a waste of perfectly good keystrokes.

Why weren't today's tryouts cancelled? Many people have preparations. Many people older family members to help. Many people have to evacuate their homes. And asking people to get out and travel on major LI highways is just stupid. Needless to say my daughter will not be there. We will find a club that has some common sense and cares about the player and their families.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why weren't today's tryouts cancelled? Many people have preparations. Many people older family members to help. Many people have to evacuate their homes. And asking people to get out and travel on major LI highways is just stupid. Needless to say my daughter will not be there. We will find a club that has some common sense and cares about the player and their families.

I guess they feel they had time to get everything in before storm hits. It is sure to impact the amount of girls that come to their tryouts especially because its there "better" age groups

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why weren't today's tryouts cancelled? Many people have preparations. Many people older family members to help. Many people have to evacuate their homes. And asking people to get out and travel on major LI highways is just stupid. Needless to say my daughter will not be there. We will find a club that has some common sense and cares about the player and their families.

I guess they feel they had time to get everything in before storm hits. It is sure to impact the amount of girls that come to their tryouts especially because its there "better" age groups

BOTC has learned that the August 28th (Sunday) tryouts have been postponed.

Those groups that are being asked to tryout on Saturday afternoon after 1:00pm are strongly advised to act with caution when driving. If the Top Guns should reschedule these events and ask BOTC to publish the information, we will certainly help the Long Island community by spreading the word during this weather emergency.

Actually, the surprising piece of information is that this is being held in West Babylon as we thought the school district would have closed access to their property.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why weren't today's tryouts cancelled? Many people have preparations. Many people older family members to help. Many people have to evacuate their homes. And asking people to get out and travel on major LI highways is just stupid. Needless to say my daughter will not be there. We will find a club that has some common sense and cares about the player and their families.

I guess they feel they had time to get everything in before storm hits. It is sure to impact the amount of girls that come to their tryouts especially because its there "better" age groups

BOTC has learned that the August 28th (Sunday) tryouts have been postponed.

Those groups that are being asked to tryout on Saturday afternoon after 1:00pm are strongly advised to act with caution when driving. If the Top Guns should reschedule these events and ask BOTC to publish the information, we will certainly help the Long Island community by spreading the word during this weather emergency.

THis is what will happen. They will have a low turnout. Hold another tryout later and all of us who show up today will be suckers. Gaurantee they will not make the rosters based on today's tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

THis is what will happen. They will have a low turnout. Hold another tryout later and all of us who show up today will be suckers. Gaurantee they will not make the rosters based on today's tryouts.

To those who attended the morning sessions : Please share the turnout details. BOTC will attempt to get the details on the afternoon action from West Babylon. Be safe should conditions deteriorate this afternoon.

8am-10am about 36 girls 2013 group

Originally Posted by Anonymous

8am-10am about 36 girls 2013 group

Good that age group needs all the help they can get

Originally Posted by Anonymous

8am-10am about 36 girls 2013 group

Good that age group needs all the help they can get

2015 tryouts a joke. 5 coaches standing around watching 1 group. Others doing basically nothing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2015 tryouts a joke. 5 coaches standing around watching 1 group. Others doing basically nothing.

The 2015 group was the 1:30pm tryout (evacuations along the south shore aside). While the weather was not horrific, how many players turned out for this age group?

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2015 tryouts a joke. 5 coaches standing around watching 1 group. Others doing basically nothing.

The 2015 group was the 1:30pm tryout (evacuations along the south shore aside). While the weather was not horrific, how many players turned out for this age group?

You know what will happen - they will have another tryout in a few months. Shd have canceled. How did the 2014 age group do?

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2015 tryouts a joke. 5 coaches standing around watching 1 group. Others doing basically nothing.

The 2015 group was the 1:30pm tryout (evacuations along the south shore aside). While the weather was not horrific, how many players turned out for this age group?

There was a large turnout. I heard about 80 girls. I heard a lot of fooling around, joking and laughing by current TG players. A big turnoff for not TG players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2015 tryouts a joke. 5 coaches standing around watching 1 group. Others doing basically nothing.

The 2015 group was the 1:30pm tryout (evacuations along the south shore aside). While the weather was not horrific, how many players turned out for this age group?

There was a large turnout. I heard about 80 girls. I heard a lot of fooling around, joking and laughing by current TG players. A big turnoff for not TG players.

Yeah that's what incoming girls want to see...miserable, sad players having no fun at all from the current team, that will really want them to be a part of the team..???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2015 tryouts a joke. 5 coaches standing around watching 1 group. Others doing basically nothing.

The 2015 group was the 1:30pm tryout (evacuations along the south shore aside). While the weather was not horrific, how many players turned out for this age group?

There was a large turnout. I heard about 80 girls. I heard a lot of fooling around, joking and laughing by current TG players. A big turnoff for not TG players.

About what I heard: 70 or so girls. My daughter was there. Good reviews from her and my spouse.

As for rescheduling, yes, I'm surprised they didn't, but at the same time nothing is happening and we did our prep Thurs and Fri but I understand not everyone had that opportunity.

actually more like close to 90 players trying out and yes they were laughing and joking around because guess what they really like each other and enjoy playing together! If that doesn't appeal to you then that is not the team you should play for. Our girls actually do like to play lacrosse and have fun.

I admittedly am clueless with tryouts with already established teams, but what is the overall purpose holding tryouts if they have more than adequate roster size. Especially in the oldest groups 2013 and 2014. If the organization has no intention of making more teams, seems pointless, again I'm not experienced with how lacrosse works, know well on the baseball side so I know pretty pointless in the baseball world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2015 tryouts a joke. 5 coaches standing around watching 1 group. Others doing basically nothing.

The 2015 group was the 1:30pm tryout (evacuations along the south shore aside). While the weather was not horrific, how many players turned out for this age group?

There was a large turnout. I heard about 80 girls. I heard a lot of fooling around, joking and laughing by current TG players. A big turnoff for not TG players.

Yeah that's what incoming girls want to see...miserable, sad players having no fun at all from the current team, that will really want them to be a part of the team..???

That wasn't my daughter's take on it at all. My daughter had a good tryout experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2015 tryouts a joke. 5 coaches standing around watching 1 group. Others doing basically nothing.

The 2015 group was the 1:30pm tryout (evacuations along the south shore aside). While the weather was not horrific, how many players turned out for this age group?

There was a large turnout. I heard about 80 girls. I heard a lot of fooling around, joking and laughing by current TG players. A big turnoff for not TG players.

Yeah that's what incoming girls want to see...miserable, sad players having no fun at all from the current team, that will really want them to be a part of the team..???

My daughter takes tryouts very seriously. Shouldn't they all?

I think they all do but they are all friends and happy to see one another. Some real friendships have formed and that is what it is all about. Enjoying yourself and enjoying your team. At least that is what our team is about. Our girls get along very well and while they are there to play lacrosse they have a strong bond as well.Nothing to be upset over but yet wouldn't your daughter love to be a part of that.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

That wasn't my daughter's take on it at all. My daughter had a good tryout experience.

Thanks for the first hand report, Powderfinger. Despite the weather, the tryouts were surprisingly well attended based on the numbers we are hearing. If there are additional details from Saturday's pre-hurricane events, please feel free to share the details.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think they all do but they are all friends and happy to see one another. Some real friendships have formed and that is what it is all about. Enjoying yourself and enjoying your team. At least that is what our team is about. Our girls get along very well and while they are there to play lacrosse they have a strong bond as well.Nothing to be upset over but yet wouldn't your daughter love to be a part of that.

My daughter didn't mention the laughing and joking but said the girls were not friendly...at least no to the girls they didnt know.

well they are 13/14 after all thats teenagers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think they all do but they are all friends and happy to see one another. Some real friendships have formed and that is what it is all about. Enjoying yourself and enjoying your team. At least that is what our team is about. Our girls get along very well and while they are there to play lacrosse they have a strong bond as well.Nothing to be upset over but yet wouldn't your daughter love to be a part of that.

My daughter didn't mention the laughing and joking but said the girls were not friendly...at least no to the girls they didnt know.

Any new group or situation your daughters walks into will be a similar situation, wether it's a new school, new town, new class or new team. It takes time to gel and make new friends with strangers. This was the exact situation my daughter was in last year when she first tried out for top guns. After a practice or two they get to know a couple girls, after a few tournaments, on the road and in the hotels with the team, they make freinds with tons of girls, even from the other teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

well they are 13/14 after all thats teenagers

yeah that's a good excuse!! Top gun is supposed to be better than all that, than all those other clubs. Shouldn't the kids they already have on the team be better than that too?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

well they are 13/14 after all thats teenagers

yeah that's a good excuse!! Top gun is supposed to be better than all that, than all those other clubs. Shouldn't the kids they already have on the team be better than that too?

Are you kidding? Have you spent much time with young teens? I can guarantee the situation is the same across all clubs for that age group.

Girl's are like that, cliquish. However the tryouts seemed more like a fund raiser for the organization, not a try out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

well they are 13/14 after all thats teenagers

yeah that's a good excuse!! Top gun is supposed to be better than all that, than all those other clubs. Shouldn't the kids they already have on the team be better than that too?

I see it differently. I see the laughing and fooling around as complacency, as if they knew they were on the team and didn't really have to try. Actually as a bystander it looked that way too and having never seen them play before I was disappointed with the level I saw. Just an observation and opinion.

The tryout was great. We are from another club and the parents of the current players were talking to all the "newbies" and gave us some insight to the club. We sure didn't see any of the negative stuff some have posted on here. Hope it works out for us cause my daughter loved it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Girl's are like that, cliquish. However the tryouts seemed more like a fund raiser for the organization, not a try out.

Perfectly said! I was there and that is a great way to describe it.

Are the results out yet?

Then again my answer to those is I guess this club isn't for you and you just don't belong. We all get along and have fun if that isn't for you or your daughter.... well don't quite know what else to say

I'm sure that there are plenty of other teams that you could tryout for then

Originally Posted by Anonymous

well they are 13/14 after all thats teenagers

yeah that's a good excuse!! Top gun is supposed to be better than all that, than all those other clubs. Shouldn't the kids they already have on the team be better than that too?

I see it differently. I see the laughing and fooling around as complacency, as if they knew they were on the team and didn't really have to try. Actually as a bystander it looked that way too and having never seen them play before I was disappointed with the level I saw. Just an observation and opinion.

Shoot, I hope you're wrong because the last thing we want is a team where girls are grandfathered in from the prior year. <frowning>

And to the other poster, no results yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

well they are 13/14 after all thats teenagers

yeah that's a good excuse!! Top gun is supposed to be better than all that, than all those other clubs. Shouldn't the kids they already have on the team be better than that too?

I see it differently. I see the laughing and fooling around as complacency, as if they knew they were on the team and didn't really have to try. Actually as a bystander it looked that way too and having never seen them play before I was disappointed with the level I saw. Just an observation and opinion.

On the flip of that opinion, I witnessed a level of play that was extremely high, from the existing girls on the team and was very impressed with many of the new girls trying-out. Just an amazing amount of talent looking to get on board. Don't know how the politics of moving existing players around and/or bringing in new players will go, but we shall soon see. All I can say is that some of the teams were already very strong and all the new talent looking to join puts this club in a great position. Crossing my fingers my daughter makes it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

well they are 13/14 after all thats teenagers

yeah that's a good excuse!! Top gun is supposed to be better than all that, than all those other clubs. Shouldn't the kids they already have on the team be better than that too?

I see it differently. I see the laughing and fooling around as complacency, as if they knew they were on the team and didn't really have to try. Actually as a bystander it looked that way too and having never seen them play before I was disappointed with the level I saw. Just an observation and opinion.

On the flip of that opinion, I witnessed a level of play that was extremely high, from the existing girls on the team and was very impressed with many of the new girls trying-out. Just an amazing amount of talent looking to get on board. Don't know how the politics of moving existing players around and/or bringing in new players will go, but we shall soon see. All I can say is that some of the teams were already very strong and all the new talent looking to join puts this club in a great position. Crossing my fingers my daughter makes it.

I prefer to judge the talent of last year's team by last year's results. My opinion, the talent there was not so great. Not the bottom, but not the top.That said, I believe those who made it were to be contacted by Friday.

Results are out. Mine was in my spam bucket even though previous TG communications came to my inbox.

I do not like that they told the kids if you don't hear from us you didn't make it. Not even thanks for trying or put results online.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Results are out. Mine was in my spam bucket even though previous TG communications came to my inbox.

Results may be out for some age groups, certainly not all as try outs are still underway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do not like that they told the kids if you don't hear from us you didn't make it. Not even thanks for trying or put results online.

This seems most unusual. Are you sure that tryout results were not mailed to everyone?

When a $35.00 tryout fee is assessed, shouldn't you expect at least an e-mail with the detailed feedback on your tryout?

Seriously, for the fees being charged, one might even expect a paragraph with some constructive suggestions for the player should they choose to tryout again.

BOTC believes that the entire lacrosse community, not just in this Top Guns thread, can provide a great value-add service in the tryout phase by offering such constructive feedback. If for nothing else, it might help the payer catch on with another program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Results are out. Mine was in my spam bucket even though previous TG communications came to my inbox.

Results may be out for some age groups, certainly not all as try outs are still underway.

BOTC was led to believe that additional tryout sessions were still being considered into September.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Results are out. Mine was in my spam bucket even though previous TG communications came to my inbox.

Results may be out for some age groups, certainly not all as try outs are still underway.

BOTC was led to believe that additional tryout sessions were still being considered into September.

my daughter tried out in a tropical sirm. She was clearly told that if she does not receive an email by Friday she did nit make the team. She was put on a tryout team and then at scrimmage time they were told to sub themselves in and left on one side of the field with no one. Needless to say the girls that started played and the subs got on the field for 5 minutes. I don't want to hear that this us an exaggeration. I have nothing to gain by lying just stating facts for others to learn from. My daughter plays fir another club but having heard good thongs about TG we thought we would give it a try. This was our experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my daughter tried out in a tropical sirm. She was clearly told that if she does not receive an email by Friday she did nit make the team. She was put on a tryout team and then at scrimmage time they were told to sub themselves in and left on one side of the field with no one. Needless to say the girls that started played and the subs got on the field for 5 minutes. I don't want to hear that this us an exaggeration. I have nothing to gain by lying just stating facts for others to learn from. My daughter plays fir another club but having heard good thongs about TG we thought we would give it a try. This was our experience.

Extremely interesting feedback. Certainly, our readers who can confirm of provide alternate observations are welcomed to do so.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my daughter tried out in a tropical sirm. She was clearly told that if she does not receive an email by Friday she did nit make the team. She was put on a tryout team and then at scrimmage time they were told to sub themselves in and left on one side of the field with no one. Needless to say the girls that started played and the subs got on the field for 5 minutes. I don't want to hear that this us an exaggeration. I have nothing to gain by lying just stating facts for others to learn from. My daughter plays fir another club but having heard good thongs about TG we thought we would give it a try. This was our experience.

Extremely interesting feedback. Certainly, our readers who can confirm of provide alternate observations are welcomed to do so.

Well, that's crappy. My daughter's group was not handled that way, and that's all she can verify.

I'm pretty sure the results that went out were just for the ages that tried out on Saturday. I mean, that'd have to be all they could do since no other tryouts have yet happened.

Our observations, having two boys that played over the years and having experience with tryouts, I knew when we were there, the teams are established, and unless a girl is better than the top performing girl, and I do mean significantly beTter than 80 percent of the current team it was a fund raiser for the organization. After leaving I felt maybe one girl made it out of what I saw. We were also told there would be no email/feedback unless you made the team. Also asked would there be another tryout because of the weather situation, and was told no there would not be any other dates.

Daughter tried out last year and was sent an e mail that she did not make the team. The email did contain positive feedback about how competetive the try outs were and that every one who did not make should continue to play and work hard. she now plays for a small club that was competetive at all tournaments and is having a great time.

Were there any spots open on the black team? Do you actually think they cut anyone from either team?

curious if any cuts were made on either team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Were there any spots open on the black team? Do you actually think they cut anyone from either team?

This is why people have called it a fund raiser. They took your money and had no intention on taking YOU

are you referring to the 2015 black and purple?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

curious if any cuts were made on either team

If your not winning tournaments and you dont make cuts your just plain dumb or a bad business person. If you dont care about attracting new players and building a business then that is another story.

paying $1200 and keeping weak players, call me stupdi

Agreed for those going forward, and this is from YEARS of travel team sports. If the organizations have no intention of forming new teams, tryouts are just a formality for those already on the teams. The girls/boys/parents are just wasting their time/money.

To be fair, (and of course travel teams would not have the benefit of the quick cash flow tryouts garner them, so I SERIOUSLY doubt any travel organization would do this), be upfront and honest with the kids and parents, tell them we have one/two/three positional spots for such and such position that is potentially available. Especially for the kids above the age of 13/14, time matters, and if the organization only is looking for a goalie or an attack etc, well then just advertise for such. In a perfect world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

well they are 13/14 after all thats teenagers

yeah that's a good excuse!! Top gun is supposed to be better than all that, than all those other clubs. Shouldn't the kids they already have on the team be better than that too?

I see it differently. I see the laughing and fooling around as complacency, as if they knew they were on the team and didn't really have to try. Actually as a bystander it looked that way too and having never seen them play before I was disappointed with the level I saw. Just an observation and opinion.

On the flip of that opinion, I witnessed a level of play that was extremely high, from the existing girls on the team and was very impressed with many of the new girls trying-out. Just an amazing amount of talent looking to get on board. Don't know how the politics of moving existing players around and/or bringing in new players will go, but we shall soon see. All I can say is that some of the teams were already very strong and all the new talent looking to join puts this club in a great position. Crossing my fingers my daughter makes it.

It would be helpful to know which grade/year

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Results are out. Mine was in my spam bucket even though previous TG communications came to my inbox.

Results may be out for some age groups, certainly not all as try outs are still underway.

BOTC was led to believe that additional tryout sessions were still being considered into September.

I think today and Sat are last tryouts

Don't forget attrition. Kids move on to other clubs or just quit lacrosse. Players don't neccessarily have to be cut to make room. That said, in a perfect world the most suited players would make the team, regardless of last year. This isn't a perfect world though. The 2010 roster is on the TG website. I suppose you could wait for the 2011 roster to be published and compare.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Don't forget attrition. Kids move on to other clubs or just quit lacrosse. Players don't neccessarily have to be cut to make room. That said, in a perfect world the most suited players would make the team, regardless of last year. This isn't a perfect world though. The 2010 roster is on the TG website. I suppose you could wait for the 2011 roster to be published and compare.

It doesnt look any different than last year except maybe they added one or two players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Don't forget attrition. Kids move on to other clubs or just quit lacrosse. Players don't neccessarily have to be cut to make room. That said, in a perfect world the most suited players would make the team, regardless of last year. This isn't a perfect world though. The 2010 roster is on the TG website. I suppose you could wait for the 2011 roster to be published and compare.

It doesnt look any different than last year except maybe they added one or two players

They haven't updated the rosters yet.

My daughter tried out for the 2017 team. There were approximately 60+ girls at the tryout and the coaches seemed well organized and paying close attention. The try-outs lasted 2 hours and the girls worked hard the entire time. They seemed to be very fair and paid attention to all of the groups. I know that girls that were on the black team last year were moved to purple team this year. I think this organization did a great job, especially doing the try-outs early and outside allowing for better assessment of the girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter tried out for the 2017 team. There were approximately 60+ girls at the tryout and the coaches seemed well organized and paying close attention. The try-outs lasted 2 hours and the girls worked hard the entire time. They seemed to be very fair and paid attention to all of the groups. I know that girls that were on the black team last year were moved to purple team this year. I think this organization did a great job, especially doing the try-outs early and outside allowing for better assessment of the girls.

2017 is pretty young. teams will change over the next few years so it may be more important to them to try to get the best ones hooked now.

For those who followed the Top Guns summer camps or coaching action, the following press release will be very heartwarming information - particularly after the U/15 national championships.

NU's Smith WSF Sportswoman of the Year Finalist

EVANSTON, Ill. -- Rising Northwestern lacrosse senior Shannon Smith (West Babylon, N.Y./West Babylon) has been selected by the Women's Sports Foundation as one of 10 female candidates from all sports and from around the globe for the organization's Sportswoman of the Year honor.

Each year, the Women's Sports Foundation -- founded in 1974 by tennis legend Billie Jean King -- recognizes an individual sport athlete and team sport athlete whose performances over a 12-month time span have been exceptional. Past winners include Venus and Serena Williams, Nastia Liukin, Jessica Mendoza and Jackie Joyner-Kersee.

For the first time, voting for the award is being conducted partially through an online vote hosted by Facebook. To cast a vote for Smith, fans can visit Facebook.com/WomensSportsFoundation, browse the photo albums for Team Sport Athlete finalists and simply "like" the photo of their choice. Fans are permitted one vote in each album, team and individual. Those who do not utilize Facebook can review nominees' bios at www.WomensSportsFoundation.org and e-mail with their votes.

Winners will be determined by a combination of the public vote (50 percent) and the Women's Sports Foundation's Awards Committee's vote (50 percent). The winners will be the two athletes -- one individual finalist and one team finalist -- who receive the highest combined share of the public vote and the Awards Committee's vote.

The top three finalists in each of the categories will be invited to attend the Annual Salute to Women in Sports Awards Gala, where the Sportswoman of the Year Award recipients will be announced and honored.

Among the nominees in Smith's team sport category are USA women's soccer standout Abby Wambach and WNBA superstar Maya Moore, along with: Luciana Aymar (Argentina, field hockey), Annika Dries (USA, water polo), Meghan Duggan (USA, ice hockey), Juliana Felisberta/Larissa Franca (Brazil, beach volleyball), Sandra Kiriasis (Germany, bobsled), Anette Norberg (Sweden, curling) and Stacy Sykora (USA, volleyball).

After leading Division I women's lacrosse in points from wire to wire in the regular season, Smith raised her game to another level in the postseason as she willed Northwestern to a seventh-straight ALC championship and eventually its sixth NCAA championship in seven years. She scored at least four goals in all six postseason games for NU -- including five in each of the first four -- and came up with the game-winning goals in an 11-10 semifinal win over North Carolina as well as in a thrilling 8-7 victory over No. 1 Maryland for the national title.

Her 18 goals during the NCAA tournament -- second-most all-time for one player in the national tournament -- netted her NCAA Championship MVP honors and allowed her to break the Northwestern single-season goals record with 86. Her 128 points on the year rank as the second-best total ever by a Wildcat and seventh-best in Division I women's lacrosse history.

Winner of the Tewaaraton Award and Lacrosse Honda Sports Award, Smith also took home the Suzy Favor Award as Big Ten Female Athlete of the Year for 2010-11.

The Women's Sports Foundation is dedicated to advancing the lives of girls and women through sports and physical activity, providing scholarships and grants to aspiring athletes. The group funds groundbreaking research and public awareness campaigns, organizing programs in cities across the country.

Did your daughter tell you she was told to sub herself in? There was definitely a plan and the subbing was obviously well thought out.

Originally Posted by Jennifer

Did your daughter tell you she was told to sub herself in? There was definitely a plan and the subbing was obviously well thought out.

There did seem to be a plan at tryout for the select. My daughter was told "sub yourselves in" they were not given positions, girls took the ones they wanted. The current TG girls marked each other and the new girls were left. My daughter has a friend who had the same experience.

I agree with you but I have another comment. I don't know where you were at the 2017 tryout but it was very obvious to me and the group I was with that the existing team members with the purple on were definitely being played while other kids were "subs". Almost like they knew where their starters were going to be and wanted to see how the kids would measure up. I am new to travel so I don't know if this is "normal" for a tryout. My daughter played for a travel program last year but was asked to participate. I am glad they are taking two teams so that many will have an opportunity to play for Top Guns. I hear good things about them!

Telling girls that age to sub themselves in during a try-out is ridiculous and makes it seem like they may not have had enough help at the try-out. Having the new girls play against the previous years girls is not that uncommon but they should also get a chance to mix things up.

If one is truly evaluating, you will not leave it up to kids to sub themselves in, telling the subs to do it themselves at this age tells me that they weren't even evaluating the new ones. If one has experience coaching/working with this age group, knowing new kids will not be assertive you are leaving the entire tryouts a waste of time for these kids. You would know having enough to evaluate is not the problem, a seasoned coach/evaluator can handle it easily.
We were at one of the "Crooked Arrow" auditions for kids and they did a better job evaluating 70 kids per age group.

I went to try outs for two age groups and girls were not left to sub themselves in. The scrimmages were definately divided into groups based upon skill level determined by the skill drills leading into the scrimmage. Girls on the bubble appeared to be pitted in and with existing team members. My daughter was put in a scrimmage obviously playing for a spot on the b team, being honest with myself, that's where she belonged, and I'm glad to let her play there, develope and try to move up over the next year or two. Some parents seemed to be beside themselves that their daughters were not scrimmaging in the group which was obviously the A team. Just for feedback purposes I felt the tryout for the teams I saw were extremely well run and fair,they did a good job placing the talent levels in the scrimmages.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Telling girls that age to sub themselves in during a try-out is ridiculous and makes it seem like they may not have had enough help at the try-out. Having the new girls play against the previous years girls is not that uncommon but they should also get a chance to mix things up.

One evluation model often used at try outs uses existing players as known quantities, a baseline so to speak. It sounds funny but a girl with exceptional skills and abilities may get early looks from the evaluators where the descision to put her on the team gets made early. They may then spend more time concetrating on other players that need a closer look. Of course the opposite is true too, where players that are not going to make the teams become apparent early and get set aside. Unfortunately some kids who don't have the lacrosse skills,usually newer players, sometimes are just good atheletes and just may get pushed aside. Also some kids are gamers, where they just light up under real game conditions, this is hard to judge at try outs and is why viewing a player under real game conditions is best. Not and option in this case.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I went to try outs for two age groups and girls were not left to sub themselves in. The scrimmages were definately divided into groups based upon skill level determined by the skill drills leading into the scrimmage. Girls on the bubble appeared to be pitted in and with existing team members. My daughter was put in a scrimmage obviously playing for a spot on the b team, being honest with myself, that's where she belonged, and I'm glad to let her play there, develope and try to move up over the next year or two. Some parents seemed to be beside themselves that their daughters were not scrimmaging in the group which was obviously the A team. Just for feedback purposes I felt the tryout for the teams I saw were extremely well run and fair,they did a good job placing the talent levels in the scrimmages.

Absolutely wrong. When my daughter checked in she was given a team number which was used to set up teams for scrimmaging. It had nothing to do with the station work.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Telling girls that age to sub themselves in during a try-out is ridiculous and makes it seem like they may not have had enough help at the try-out. Having the new girls play against the previous years girls is not that uncommon but they should also get a chance to mix things up.

One evluation model often used at try outs uses existing players as known quantities, a baseline so to speak. It sounds funny but a girl with exceptional skills and abilities may get early looks from the evaluators where the descision to put her on the team gets made early. They may then spend more time concetrating on other players that need a closer look. Of course the opposite is true too, where players that are not going to make the teams become apparent early and get set aside. Unfortunately some kids who don't have the lacrosse skills,usually newer players, sometimes are just good atheletes and just may get pushed aside. Also some kids are gamers, where they just light up under real game conditions, this is hard to judge at try outs and is why viewing a player under real game conditions is best. Not and option in this case.

I agree, if you start out bad you may not get another look. I can only speak for my daughter. She has played on a top club for 3 summers. There she plays on the 2nd of 4 teams. I watched only the shuttles. She did miss a pass, one that was 4 feet above her head. She said she did well in the stations, at least as good as others but then was told to sub herself in during the scrimmage an got 5 minutes of play which I did see. She marked a girl who never went to goal, never received a pass so she maybe didn't look so good. The current players only passed to themselves. It really is no big deal. I see it as their loss but think people should know how this club set up a nice fundraiser for themselves.

what about girls that arent even of age yet playing? I mean if they don't have a team for your age group, just wait until you're old enough. One team had a third grader playing on a fifth grade team last year. Really? why take the spot away from a fifth grader to give to a third grader. I don't care how good the kid is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I went to try outs for two age groups and girls were not left to sub themselves in. The scrimmages were definately divided into groups based upon skill level determined by the skill drills leading into the scrimmage. Girls on the bubble appeared to be pitted in and with existing team members. My daughter was put in a scrimmage obviously playing for a spot on the b team, being honest with myself, that's where she belonged, and I'm glad to let her play there, develope and try to move up over the next year or two. Some parents seemed to be beside themselves that their daughters were not scrimmaging in the group which was obviously the A team. Just for feedback purposes I felt the tryout for the teams I saw were extremely well run and fair,they did a good job placing the talent levels in the scrimmages.

Absolutely wrong. When my daughter checked in she was given a team number which was used to set up teams for scrimmaging. It had nothing to do with the station work.

A jersey number, team and station were given to the girls upon check in. This was soley for seting them up through the stations for evaluation. If you noticed at the begining of the scrimmage all girls were called to center field and individually sent to a scrimmage team, which was absolutely decided from the station play. Either that or they have esp because the talent level difference between the two different scrimmages was drastic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what about girls that arent even of age yet playing? I mean if they don't have a team for your age group, just wait until you're old enough. One team had a third grader playing on a fifth grade team last year. Really? why take the spot away from a fifth grader to give to a third grader. I don't care how good the kid is.

Good for her!

Heard they moved and cut girls who playrd for them last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what about girls that arent even of age yet playing? I mean if they don't have a team for your age group, just wait until you're old enough. One team had a third grader playing on a fifth grade team last year. Really? why take the spot away from a fifth grader to give to a third grader. I don't care how good the kid is.

Real classy......Nice job singling out this girl. When you post anonymous you should keep other people anonymous too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I went to try outs for two age groups and girls were not left to sub themselves in. The scrimmages were definately divided into groups based upon skill level determined by the skill drills leading into the scrimmage. Girls on the bubble appeared to be pitted in and with existing team members. My daughter was put in a scrimmage obviously playing for a spot on the b team, being honest with myself, that's where she belonged, and I'm glad to let her play there, develope and try to move up over the next year or two. Some parents seemed to be beside themselves that their daughters were not scrimmaging in the group which was obviously the A team. Just for feedback purposes I felt the tryout for the teams I saw were extremely well run and fair,they did a good job placing the talent levels in the scrimmages.

My daughter was in the scrimmage on the main field and they werectold to sub themselves in
Absolutely wrong. When my daughter checked in she was given a team number which was used to set up teams for scrimmaging. It had nothing to do with the station work.

A jersey number, team and station were given to the girls upon check in. This was soley for seting them up through the stations for evaluation. If you noticed at the begining of the scrimmage all girls were called to center field and individually sent to a scrimmage team, which was absolutely decided from the station play. Either that or they have esp because the talent level difference between the two different scrimmages was drastic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I went to try outs for two age groups and girls were not left to sub themselves in. The scrimmages were definately divided into groups based upon skill level determined by the skill drills leading into the scrimmage. Girls on the bubble appeared to be pitted in and with existing team members. My daughter was put in a scrimmage obviously playing for a spot on the b team, being honest with myself, that's where she belonged, and I'm glad to let her play there, develope and try to move up over the next year or two. Some parents seemed to be beside themselves that their daughters were not scrimmaging in the group which was obviously the A team. Just for feedback purposes I felt the tryout for the teams I saw were extremely well run and fair,they did a good job placing the talent levels in the scrimmages.

My daughter was in the scrimmage on the main field and they werectold to sub themselves in
Absolutely wrong. When my daughter checked in she was given a team number which was used to set up teams for scrimmaging. It had nothing to do with the station work.

A jersey number, team and station were given to the girls upon check in. This was soley for seting them up through the stations for evaluation. If you noticed at the begining of the scrimmage all girls were called to center field and individually sent to a scrimmage team, which was absolutely decided from the station play. Either that or they have esp because the talent level difference between the two different scrimmages was drastic.

How could you tell there was a difference the fields were so far apart. Did you walk around in the pouring rain and watch?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what about girls that arent even of age yet playing? I mean if they don't have a team for your age group, just wait until you're old enough. One team had a third grader playing on a fifth grade team last year. Really? why take the spot away from a fifth grader to give to a third grader. I don't care how good the kid is.

There is no harm in trying out. If a fifth grader gets cut because a third grader is better then so be it. That third grader probably is exceptional and they want her to continue with this program rather that make another club (which she would) and possibly lose her.

On another note...it seems that the 2019 team has two teams this year and no one was cut. Looks like the Purple team may have alot of underage kids. Are they good enough or are they just filling out a roster? If my fifth grader was assigned to the purple team, I'd definitely want to find out the makeup of the team and decide if it is worth it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I went to try outs for two age groups and girls were not left to sub themselves in. The scrimmages were definately divided into groups based upon skill level determined by the skill drills leading into the scrimmage. Girls on the bubble appeared to be pitted in and with existing team members. My daughter was put in a scrimmage obviously playing for a spot on the b team, being honest with myself, that's where she belonged, and I'm glad to let her play there, develope and try to move up over the next year or two. Some parents seemed to be beside themselves that their daughters were not scrimmaging in the group which was obviously the A team. Just for feedback purposes I felt the tryout for the teams I saw were extremely well run and fair,they did a good job placing the talent levels in the scrimmages.

My daughter was in the scrimmage on the main field and they werectold to sub themselves in
Absolutely wrong. When my daughter checked in she was given a team number which was used to set up teams for scrimmaging. It had nothing to do with the station work.

A jersey number, team and station were given to the girls upon check in. This was soley for seting them up through the stations for evaluation. If you noticed at the begining of the scrimmage all girls were called to center field and individually sent to a scrimmage team, which was absolutely decided from the station play. Either that or they have esp because the talent level difference between the two different scrimmages was drastic.

How could you tell there was a difference the fields were so far apart. Did you walk around in the pouring rain and watch?

Problem here is everyone is talking about different try-outs. Let's not forget there were like seven or so different age groups and I'm sure all were set-up and handled differently.

Does anyone know if the emails went out yet for all the tryout results?

Yes, I believe all were sent out to those who made teams except those who tried out yesterday.

I guess we'll have to disagree on the age topic. And if they're worried about losing a third grader, how about losing the fifth grader whose self esteem takes a nose dive because a third grader takes her spot on the team. And I know there are 2020 girls on the new 2019 teams, again, what's the rush with these parents? Except to just constantly tell us all that their girls play up because they're just that good. I have high schoolers and what these parents don't understand is that eventually most girls that were shining starts as third graders usually just blend in with the rest as they get older, and those are usually the parents that complain to the varsity coach when they're kid isnt brought up as a 7th grader or 8th grader.

what about girls that arent even of age yet playing? I mean if they don't have a team for your age group, just wait until you're old enough. One team had a third grader playing on a fifth grade team last year. Really? why take the spot away from a fifth grader to give to a third grader. I don't care how good the kid is
The child you are talking about has older sisters that play on TG teams so playing for other organizations would make it difficult to get the kid to the different tournaments.If she is good enough to make the team so be it.I also believe the child was the age of a 4th grader so really only playing up 1 year which is fairly common.

what are you talking about...class? There are people on this board looking for information about the program, I wasn't singling out anyone...just stating a fact. That fact being that even if your child is trying out for her grade level there are situations where there are younger girls on the team. And that was the only team I had heard of that had a younger girls, maybe they have that in the older grades also.

My understanding as a parent of a TG 2017 player is that the Purple team is new and yes, a handful of Black players will be moved to purple as there were a few very talented new players at the tryout who will be selected for Black. The Purple team should be strong as well, there were no weak players last year. Bottom line- keep your daughters involved in sports year round as they are approaching a very impressionable age. Good luck to all of the girls!

How do you know?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what about girls that arent even of age yet playing? I mean if they don't have a team for your age group, just wait until you're old enough. One team had a third grader playing on a fifth grade team last year. Really? why take the spot away from a fifth grader to give to a third grader. I don't care how good the kid is.

There is no harm in trying out. If a fifth grader gets cut because a third grader is better then so be it. That third grader probably is exceptional and they want her to continue with this program rather that make another club (which she would) and possibly lose her.

On another note...it seems that the 2019 team has two teams this year and no one was cut. Looks like the Purple team may have alot of underage kids. Are they good enough or are they just filling out a roster? If my fifth grader was assigned to the purple team, I'd definitely want to find out the makeup of the team and decide if it is worth it.

I agree with you 100%. if the third grader has the talent to be on the team, why on earth would you not let her??? If the fifth grader wasn't as good as the third grader, too bad, why would you choose her over the third grader??? Playing up is great for the developement of these kids, why waste your kids talent if she is playing at a level way beyond her age.
As for the 2019 underage roster. It isn't posted yet. Do you have inside knowledge of mass quantities of underaged kids? I know from tournament experience that many clubs and teams put together rosters with girls all the way down to kindergarden in the early age brackets. While I agree that is ridiculus, I think that reaching down a year or two and picking up a very talented third or forth grader is perfectly acceptable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what about girls that arent even of age yet playing? I mean if they don't have a team for your age group, just wait until you're old enough. One team had a third grader playing on a fifth grade team last year. Really? why take the spot away from a fifth grader to give to a third grader. I don't care how good the kid is
The child you are talking about has older sisters that play on TG teams so playing for other organizations would make it difficult to get the kid to the different tournaments.If she is good enough to make the team so be it.I also believe the child was the age of a 4th grader so really only playing up 1 year

which is fairly common.

Sounds like politics to me

As a parent of a 2019 player and whose daughter attended her first tryout for a travel lax team, I was very impressed by the way the try out was run. When it came time to to scrimmage, Coach Levy blew the whistle at regular intervals and the other coaches managed the subs. My personal feeling is that, at the tryout I attended, the decision for placemnt for most girls was made at the stations and the scrimmage was for the bubble girls.

can't wait to see the rosters, nonE are on sight! Anyone know when we will get this information?Also, do they play winter lax> If so where? MY niece will be playing, not sure where in West babylon the team turns out of? Way to go Billy, looks like you have your hands full. I'll be WITH the old silverhared guy with the red cups..

my point is why a parent would even have their third grader or whatever age the child is try out? If it's a 2015 team, if you're daughter is a 2018 child, why are you having your daughter try out for the team. It's youth lacrosse...these are the same caliber of parents that insist their child is too good to play with their age level so they have to play one or two grades up. Oh, and the challenging issue...please. You realize we're talking about eight year olds. If they're THAT good that they can't be challenged by their peers, have your superstar put the stick in her weaker hand. What happens when the older team she played for for years ages out, then what, she just hops down to the team she should have been playing for all along? and takes a spot from that team.

Originally Posted by laxdad

As a parent of a 2019 player and whose daughter attended her first tryout for a travel lax team, I was very impressed by the way the try out was run. When it came time to to scrimmage, Coach Levy blew the whistle at regular intervals and the other coaches managed the subs. My personal feeling is that, at the tryout I attended, the decision for placemnt for most girls was made at the stations and the scrimmage was for the bubble girls.

Go to a Yellow Jacket tryout. You will be amazed at the level of talent.

The girl you keep talking about was on the youngest level TG team .As stated previously she has sisters that play on older teams making the choice to play for a TG team easy.In your opinion she should just sit at those tournaments and watch her sisters play even thou she is talented enough to play .You seem to be the type of parent that gets jealous anytime a child of exceptional ability shows you your own childs limitations.Must make you angry when some kid starts ahead of your own child.Stop worrying about everyone else and worry about your own kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by laxdad

As a parent of a 2019 player and whose daughter attended her first tryout for a travel lax team, I was very impressed by the way the try out was run. When it came time to to scrimmage, Coach Levy blew the whistle at regular intervals and the other coaches managed the subs. My personal feeling is that, at the tryout I attended, the decision for placemnt for most girls was made at the stations and the scrimmage was for the bubble girls.

Go to a Yellow Jacket tryout. You will be amazed at the level of talent.

Also, the 2019 yellow jacket coach is excellent!!

I've had three of mine on the sideline watching their sister play until it was their time.
It was a great family experience as well. And although my one was asked to even warm up with her sister's team, I declined because it was her sister's team and there was no reason for it. She wasnt going to fall behind by sittting out and waiting until she was old enough to tryout which she did two years later
Years later and now plays in high school. So jealousy? Not at all. I've been around sports my whole life, way before the big youth madness. Do you really believe kids wouldnt choose to play with their own age and friends unless their parents were whispering in their ears that theyre too good and need to play with the older girls? Just my opinion which is what i thought these boards were for.

Oh, and my comment about playing up was just fact of how the organization is run, not to single out anyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by laxdad

As a parent of a 2019 player and whose daughter attended her first tryout for a travel lax team, I was very impressed by the way the try out was run. When it came time to to scrimmage, Coach Levy blew the whistle at regular intervals and the other coaches managed the subs. My personal feeling is that, at the tryout I attended, the decision for placemnt for most girls was made at the stations and the scrimmage was for the bubble girls.

Go to a Yellow Jacket tryout. You will be amazed at the level of talent.

Also, the 2019 yellow jacket coach is excellent!!

The YJ 2019 coach is a nut! and will have a YJ director holding his hand this year, he must change his apersona or he is out!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Also, the 2019 yellow jacket coach is excellent!!

The YJ 2019 coach is a nut! and will have a YJ director holding his hand this year, he must change his apersona or he is out!

This thread is for discussion covering the Top Guns program as opposed to passing opinion on another program's coaches - either positive or negative. Let's stay on topic please.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by laxdad

As a parent of a 2019 player and whose daughter attended her first tryout for a travel lax team, I was very impressed by the way the try out was run. When it came time to to scrimmage, Coach Levy blew the whistle at regular intervals and the other coaches managed the subs. My personal feeling is that, at the tryout I attended, the decision for placemnt for most girls was made at the stations and the scrimmage was for the bubble girls.

Go to a Yellow Jacket tryout. You will be amazed at the level of talent.

Also, the 2019 yellow jacket coach is excellent!!

The YJ 2019 coach is a nut! and will have a YJ director holding his hand this year, he must change his apersona or he is out!

You've got the wrong team. You are thinking about the 2018 team.

If you do not believe that playing at a younger age is an advantage later on then why did you have your children start at such a young age.Further why do feel the need to knock the parents who push their kids to excel, I for one have nothing but respect for the amount of time many of these parents put in with their children.Check the rosters for the yj 2019 team many 2020 kids on the team but you do not seem to mind. Matter of fact almost all travel lacrosse teams have some kids of younger ages at their lowest age level.Bottem line if the kid is good enough to make the team so be it.Must drive you crazy when an academically gifted child gets moved up a grade or takes more advanced classes

Mine started in 7th grade and both doing great. I hope your daughter lives up to all your expectations.

There is no 2020 team! If there's a team for your age you should play on that team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can't wait to see the rosters, nonE are on sight! Anyone know when we will get this information?Also, do they play winter lax> If so where? MY niece will be playing, not sure where in West babylon the team turns out of? Way to go Billy, looks like you have your hands full. I'll be WITH the old silverhared guy with the red cups..

Nice Jim! I will join you, I think the rosters will be up soon, he was waiting to hear from a few who were without power.

I hope your daughters exceed yours

At least two teams played at that indoor place in Mt. Sinai (I thinkI) last year.

Does anyone know when they are going to post hte rosters for the 2012 tryouts I thought they would be up by now

They don't require a payment to be made until 9/12, so maybe they will wait til then.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know when they are going to post hte rosters for the 2012 tryouts I thought they would be up by now

I would imagine they would not post a full roster until everyone confirmed and paid?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know when they are going to post hte rosters for the 2012 tryouts I thought they would be up by now

I would imagine they would not post a full roster until everyone confirmed and paid?

you will not have a complete roster until YJ tryouts are done. Many will pay but leave when/if the make YJ.

so they will pay the 200 dollars and if they make the yellow jackets will forfeit the 200 dollars to play for them that doesnt make sense to me.

my daughter played on the 2017 top gun team last year and tried out again this year and made the black team again i heard there were a lot of changes made.My daughter made alot of friends from last years team and i know she is going to be upset not playing with some girls.I tried to explain to her that there will be always changes to make the team better and that it could be you next year. That u have to always keep praticing to get better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

so they will pay the 200 dollars and if they make the yellow jackets will forfeit the 200 dollars to play for them that doesnt make sense to me.

Does it really make a differrence if you pay $1400 OR $1600? fOR $200 it's worth it to hedge your bet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

so they will pay the 200 dollars and if they make the yellow jackets will forfeit the 200 dollars to play for them that doesnt make sense to me.

Does it really make a differrence if you pay $1400 OR $1600? fOR $200 it's worth it to hedge your bet.

Or maybe your daughter makes top guns balck, then has no intrest in trying out for yj blue, that's where we're at. Funny talkking to another parent about the tg tryouts, his daughter made the purple team, they are declining convinced she will try out and make yj blue. I am nearly positive this won't happen and she will be playing a team or two down on yj's. I think most of the players who tryout and make tg black are happy to be on the team and are not looking to just hold a spot holding out for yj. It is the players who didn't make tg black, taking another shot at yj try outs, perhaps trying to grab a spot on yj blue as an upgrade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

so they will pay the 200 dollars and if they make the yellow jackets will forfeit the 200 dollars to play for them that doesnt make sense to me.

Does it really make a differrence if you pay $1400 OR $1600? fOR $200 it's worth it to hedge your bet.

That's called burning bridges. When your daughter commits, teams are formed, other girls interested in a spot on the team are let go, coaches hired, arrangements made based on this comitment. IMO nobody will do that. You have to roll the dice, if you are offered a position on any team, either you accept and that's it, or decline and try your luck somewhere else. Luckily my daughter made it on her desired team, so she doesn't have to worry about it, but. We/ she would never accept a spot on a team then bail, your affecting other players around you if you do that. With that said I'm sure someone, somewhere will pull that move, that's something others observe and it follows you.

Its done all the time in the boy world of travel sports, so I don't doubt it will happen in the girl world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

so they will pay the 200 dollars and if they make the yellow jackets will forfeit the 200 dollars to play for them that doesnt make sense to me.

Does it really make a differrence if you pay $1400 OR $1600? fOR $200 it's worth it to hedge your bet.

That's called burning bridges. When your daughter commits, teams are formed, other girls interested in a spot on the team are let go, coaches hired, arrangements made based on this comitment. IMO nobody will do that. You have to roll the dice, if you are offered a position on any team, either you accept and that's it, or decline and try your luck somewhere else. Luckily my daughter made it on her desired team, so she doesn't have to worry about it, but. We/ she would never accept a spot on a team then bail, your affecting other players around you if you do that. With that said I'm sure someone, somewhere will pull that move, that's something others observe and it follows you.

My daughter is heading off to college afer playing YJ blue for the past 3 years. This happens every year. Parents do pay 200 to hold the spot and if they make better they jump ship. So beware, you kids team may get worse!!

As I look at college lists posted by YJ I am also better off playing on a YJ Gold team rather than a TG team that has no past experience with recruitment and commitments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As I look at college lists posted by YJ I am also better off playing on a YJ Gold team rather than a TG team that has no past experience with recruitment and commitments.

I wonder if the paid recuitment service," not officially affilated with yj's" would allow or accept players from other teams, and how that would work out. Anyone with experience with using this service from outside the yj organization?

Looks like we'll find out soon enough about whether Parents have put down $200 to secure a spot and tryout for YJ anyway. The tryouts for their younger girls is Dec 4th. That second payment for Top Guns is almost due...

i play for top guns, my mother and father are not agressive, thanks vvery much makes me feel good. my parents actually dont yell at the officals as other parents do. someones parents on yellow jackets yelled at me while i was playing and said " you suck and so does your travel team, what are you playing, softball?" I have nothing against yellow jackets at all. They have many good players and have a very good program, I was just putting it out there. From, A Long Island Top Guns Player

whoa whoa whoa, i dont know what arge bracket you are from but i rarely ever hear the yj parents yell derogatory comments at OTHER teams. yelling at their kids i can understand but not at other players. coming from a top guns player....just putting that out there

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i play for top guns, my mother and father are not agressive, thanks vvery much makes me feel good. my parents actually dont yell at the officals as other parents do. someones parents on yellow jackets yelled at me while i was playing and said " you suck and so does your travel team, what are you playing, softball?" I have nothing against yellow jackets at all. They have many good players and have a very good program, I was just putting it out there. From, A Long Island Top Guns Player

Unlikely that this was said while you were on the field listening for sideline chatter that other parents would not have heard, unlikely that a player contributed to the BOTC message board, and unlikely that a player would change the subject from the Top Guns to the Yellow Jackets. Conclusion : Unlikely that this is grounded in reality.

Does anybody know when they are posting rosters?

No,I Thought they would be posted by now i dont know what the hold up is

They got so my money so fast this year I figure it would be up.

There is a practice scheduled in early November, I would imagine that they wouldn't post anything till that date gets a little closer.

No reason to post it any sooner and give any advantage to other clubs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They got so my money so fast this year I figure it would be up.

So did they collect the annual fee before telling people what team they were on? That's a little odd.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They got so my money so fast this year I figure it would be up.

So did they collect the annual fee before telling people what team they were on? That's a little odd.

That would be odd, but that's not what they did. They sent out e-mails inviting girls to each individual team, so the girls who acceptted know what team they are on. They just haven't posted the full team rosters to the public yet. Most of the girls on each team are friends with each other and know who's in and who's out. Many may not know of new players coming in unless they are friends with them outside of the club. I can think of many pro and cons of making rosters public, especially prior to many other club's try-outs. So for whatever reason rosters have not been posted, it doesn't bother me one bit. The girls who were asked to join the team know who they are, nobody else really needs to know if that is they way they choose to do it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They got so my money so fast this year I figure it would be up.

So did they collect the annual fee before telling people what team they were on? That's a little odd.

That would be odd, but that's not what they did. They sent out e-mails inviting girls to each individual team, so the girls who acceptted know what team they are on. They just haven't posted the full team rosters to the public yet. Most of the girls on each team are friends with each other and know who's in and who's out. Many may not know of new players coming in unless they are friends with them outside of the club. I can think of many pro and cons of making rosters public, especially prior to many other club's try-outs. So for whatever reason rosters have not been posted, it doesn't bother me one bit. The girls who were asked to join the team know who they are, nobody else really needs to know if that is they way they choose to do it.

Agreed, some girls may be coming from other clubs that have not held tryouts yet and Top Guns may be respecting their privacy. Just curious-do all teams post rosters?

No Advantage but they may Jump ship if they make another top team!!

last year they waited until after YJ is over!!

Dont hold breath for those rosters

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No Advantage but they may Jump ship if they make another top team!!

last year they waited until after YJ is over!!

Dont hold breath for those rosters

This also gives kids who made the B teams, a chance to try out for higher teams on other clubs. If they don't make that, then they may decide to come back a B teamer.

Or when kids dont make yj blue they come to topguns

[quote=Anonymous]Or when kids dont make yj blue they come to topguns [/quot

BOTC has set up a thread just for yj's.Oobnoxious yj parents should post your comments there.

Thanks for the info on the yj board-I am a tg parent. Why is that comment offensive to you? Apparently the poster before me wrote the exact same thing yet you choose to single out my post...it is what it is. Maybe girls who didnt make tg top team will jump over to yjs. So what? Its great people have options. These debates on here are entertaining but no one will ever win. What I see here is just club bashing and seems quite silly to me.

I wish the Topguns were playing in a few of the fall tournaments...the summer is a long way away

Yeah but at least we have 2 winter leagues to do.

You call playing at inline against town teams good for a travel team .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wish the Topguns were playing in a few of the fall tournaments...the summer is a long way away

Many of the travel teams at this level have players with parents who are coaches or who have coached on a town level. Offshoot teams from the summer tournament teams often form for the fall tournaments. One of the problems with bringing a full summer tournament team, is that most of these fall tournament are geared towards mini teams in a 7 vs 7 format. But that also makes putting together a offshoot group easier.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah but at least we have 2 winter leagues to do.

Thats the biggest drawback to the Topguns, that their coaches are away for fall and spring. Other clubs definitely get a leg up in tournaments and practices not to mention winter leagues.

What about the T3 Fall Face Off.....close by in N.J. One day of games, 3 full length games on full fields (turf).

Sounds like a good way to spend a Saturday in November .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah but at least we have 2 winter leagues to do.

Thats the biggest drawback to the Topguns, that their coaches are away for fall and spring. Other clubs definitely get a leg up in tournaments and practices not to mention winter leagues.

On the other hand, the biggest draw of the Top Guns is that many of Topgun coaches are actively involved in playing lacrosse at the very highest level possible. As far as I know, all the teams play together through the winter indoor leagues (optional to players). I also believe that some of the teams are involved in the fall tournaments as well. They certainly give members plenty of opportunity to play with other team members throughout the year in addition to summer tournaments. I personally feel it is important for my daughter to also play school/town ball too. That's another indoor league in the winter, another spring outdoor season etc.... In the end, this club offers plenty of oppurtunity to fully emerse players in lacrosse with other teammates, if you choose.

Where are the rosters?

It won't be posted until after the last major club has it's tryout in December.

rosters are posted .....

Roster a are posted

Oh boy, YJ and Liberty won't be happy w 2017 team..

Why is that dont recognize any names from YJ blue at all

there are no yjblue players listed on there, nice try though

"Oh boy, YJ and Liberty won't be happy w 2017 team.. "
Why is that because they were hoping for better competition.After all the talk about so many kids leaving yj to go to tg ,I saw one name that switched over from gold to top tg team, I am sure there were others but that is all I noticed. I still do not think they will knock off any blue team until possibly the much younger age groups.

There are NO YJ gold players listed either. Looks like maybe 2 3rd string YJ players making their top team. Thats should help them LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Oh boy, YJ and Liberty won't be happy w 2017 team.. "
Why is that because they were hoping for better competition.After all the talk about so many kids leaving yj to go to tg ,I saw one name that switched over from gold to top tg team, I am sure there were others but that is all I noticed. I still do not think they will knock off any blue team until possibly the much younger age groups.

Quite honestly at the younger ages who cares if good players switch clubs to your team? Do you really need that? At this young age I would rather have the players and team be developed rather than just put together. Welcome new young athletic girls even if they are new to the sport, get them in the program and spend some time to develope their lacrosse skills. Obviously for the older teams this can't be done, so you have to put teams together. For me, as far as many of they younger teams are concerned, the other clubs can keep their top players.

Who cares where they left?? Wish the girls good luck, cheer them on and promote good sportsmanship!! Have fun ladies!

Yj parents are just that, Yj parents. Every club on the island and lots in Maryland, jersey and PA that I speak to, can't stand you parents , there must be a reason for this. Yj blue teams are good, I give them that, the rest of there teams forget about, not that good. The problem with Yj is the parents, not kids, coaches or directors.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yj parents are just that, Yj parents. Every club on the island and lots in Maryland, jersey and PA that I speak to, can't stand you parents , there must be a reason for this. Yj blue teams are good, I give them that, the rest of there teams forget about, not that good. The problem with Yj is the parents, not kids, coaches or directors.

Funny how it is a top gun thread but the yj name is always brought up?

All teams have those parents...unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All teams have those parents...unfortunately.

And all sports seem to have em too, just some sports and some clubs seem to have a higher percentage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All teams have those parents...unfortunately.

And all sports seem to have em too, just some sports and some clubs seem to have a higher percentage.

True dat.

yeah Yj 150% lol

and why are you in this thread??? another nervous YJ parent. other clubs are getting very close to YJ .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

and why are you in this thread??? another nervous YJ parent. other clubs are getting very close to YJ .

my girl is on blue I'm not worried at all. Top gun is no threat to us

TG parents are no better!!! screaming fathers loosing there minds on the sidelines is very attractive! Coaches on staff consistently with Red cards give it up

I doubt YJ is worried they have consistently put good teams on the field. Cant say the same for ANY other club in terms of performance and consistency. Just worry about yourselves

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All teams have those parents...unfortunately.

And all sports seem to have em too, just some sports and some clubs seem to have a higher percentage.

Soccer parents are just as bad, maybe worse. The only difference is there are many organizations at high levels of play in soccer, so the behavior is spread out over many teams. The yj's the parent behavior is highly concentrated (50 teams show up at every tournament) and therefore highly noticable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yj parents are just that, Yj parents. Every club on the island and lots in Maryland, jersey and PA that I speak to, can't stand you parents , there must be a reason for this. Yj blue teams are good, I give them that, the rest of there teams forget about, not that good. The problem with Yj is the parents, not kids, coaches or directors.

Funny how it is a top gun thread but the yj name is always brought up?

YJ get a lot of mention on TG thread and TG gets a lot of mention on YJ thread. Its obvious that there is a competitive rivalry there, which is good for the sport. Good for everyone including TG, YJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are NO YJ gold players listed either. Looks like maybe 2 3rd string YJ players making their top team. Thats should help them LOL

Player that left was on YJ 2016 Gold; and the kid could have stayed but her father is the issue.

wow your a Yj blue, isnt that cool, you had to mention that,, nobody cares,,nobody asked, you must be so proud.. why are you on this thread anyway. not worried hah. ok . did you hear that all non blue team parents, this one is on YJ BLUE. Yj blue should get ther own thread, because they are so above all other YJ teams and all other clubs.

wow Yj parents checking topgun rosters. what does that say? Isn't that funny. lol

"another nervous YJ parent. other clubs are getting very close to YJ "
Close, maybe ,maybe not, but you obviously believe not equal.I have watched several of the clubs and was wondering how would the gold yj teams do against the top top gun teams. The only age I am somewhat familiar with is 2016 and believe it would be a very close game but would give the nod to yj gold at this point.Does this hold true for the older girls , honestly do not know ?I have heard the 2015 tg team is very very good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"another nervous YJ parent. other clubs are getting very close to YJ "
Close, maybe ,maybe not, but you obviously believe not equal.I have watched several of the clubs and was wondering how would the gold yj teams do against the top top gun teams. The only age I am somewhat familiar with is 2016 and believe it would be a very close game but would give the nod to yj gold at this point.Does this hold true for the older girls , honestly do not know ?I have heard the 2015 tg team is very very good.

2015 TG team may be very very good (you are obviously a TG parent looking for some confidence in your team). The 2015 TG team will not even come close to the YJ blue at this age, I mean not close. Will they match up with the gold, maybe so, but doesn't that make them second string? Are the parents of the top TG team hoping to match up the YJ gold? Well at least they are being realistic now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"another nervous YJ parent. other clubs are getting very close to YJ "
Close, maybe ,maybe not, but you obviously believe not equal.I have watched several of the clubs and was wondering how would the gold yj teams do against the top top gun teams. The only age I am somewhat familiar with is 2016 and believe it would be a very close game but would give the nod to yj gold at this point.Does this hold true for the older girls , honestly do not know ?I have heard the 2015 tg team is very very good.

2015 TG team may be very very good (you are obviously a TG parent looking for some confidence in your team). The 2015 TG team will not even come close to the YJ blue at this age, I mean not close. Will they match up with the gold, maybe so, but doesn't that make them second string? Are the parents of the top TG team hoping to match up the YJ gold? Well at least they are being realistic now.

Please stop. Let's discuss the Top Guns program and growth on its own merits for now. Comparisons with other teams, some of which still have tryouts to go, can be left to the Winter and Spring seasons.

(you are obviously a TG parent looking for some confidence in your team).
are you mental, now i see how the yj parents get their reputation. i picked yj gold over top tg team but i must be a tg parent, makes alot of sense

2015 topguns would crush 2015 yj gold, and 2014 topguns beat 2014 Yj gold in syracuse

INsulting teams in your own club
2015 YJ blue is outstanding team, one of the best ever to come around. 2015 topguns is very good team, don't loose to often. Typical YJ blue parent though, putting down teams in there own club, calling YJ gold second string. Then what are YJ red and green and black, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th string.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

INsulting teams in your own club
2015 YJ blue is outstanding team, one of the best ever to come around. 2015 topguns is very good team, don't loose to often. Typical YJ blue parent though, putting down teams in there own club, calling YJ gold second string. Then what are YJ red and green and black, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th string.

duh, yeah that's how it works? They can't all be the best but even the other 2015 teams are very good. Would you say the tg black and purple teams are even? Of course not

I see top guns seems to keep it to an a and b team in each age group. I wonder if they will have c,d,e,f teams down the road as they grow, just like the yj's have. At some point it seems like a little bit too much to have so many teams. Is this a maney making thing or is there any stories of players rising from five teams down and finishing on a blue team???
Sorry this question would be better asked on the yj thread, but all the yj parents seem to monitor this thread as well.

PErhaps its remotely possible that kids that are on the other squads just want to play? Shouldn't they also have a place to go? If you haven't noticed there is not much out there in the higher 16/17 age groups for girls lacrosse. Some girls do love the game, and would like to play more than just school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PErhaps its remotely possible that kids that are on the other squads just want to play? Shouldn't they also have a place to go? If you haven't noticed there is not much out there in the higher 16/17 age groups for girls lacrosse. Some girls do love the game, and would like to play more than just school.

Godd point! Not every kid plays travel lax because they "are trying to earn a scholarship"! What happened to the days of playing travel because you wanted to play during the summer? It is sad that the attitude is that "it is a waste of time" if your kid is not on an "A" team. Everyone has a right to play. Just spend your money wisely!

YJ parents monitor this website all to much. why?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PErhaps its remotely possible that kids that are on the other squads just want to play? Shouldn't they also have a place to go? If you haven't noticed there is not much out there in the higher 16/17 age groups for girls lacrosse. Some girls do love the game, and would like to play more than just school.

Godd point! Not every kid plays travel lax because they "are trying to earn a scholarship"! What happened to the days of playing travel because you wanted to play during the summer? It is sad that the attitude is that "it is a waste of time" if your kid is not on an "A" team. Everyone has a right to play. Just spend your money wisely!

This is certainly possible, and if thats your case, that's great. Yet Im sure when 100 plus girls try out for an age group for a yj or tg team, they are hoping to land as high as they can. So back to my original question, if your daughter makes the 3rd, 4th or fifth team in one of these organizations, what is the likelyhood of moving up. I'm looking for a real example, no names, just if it happens. And I'm not talking theretical, I can answer that myself. Has it been done? How far back (3rd team 5th team) and how many years did it take. (because some girls do love to play and hope to go to a higher level)

Not sure of other organizations and of course some will think I am a yj parent monitoring tg site, silly. To answer your question I know that there have been kids moved from at least the so called 3rd level team to the top level team in just 1 year. There have also been many who have moved down from top to 2nd level and sometimes to 3rd level in the yj organization.

This is certainly possible, and if thats your case, that's great. Yet Im sure when 100 plus girls try out for an age group for a yj or tg team, they are hoping to land as high as they can. So back to my original question, if your daughter makes the 3rd, 4th or fifth team in one of these organizations, what is the likelyhood of moving up. I'm looking for a real example, no names, just if it happens. And I'm not talking theretical, I can answer that myself. Has it been done? How far back (3rd team 5th team) and how many years did it take. (because some girls do love to play and hope to go to a higher level) [/quote]
The younger ages don't have 3, 4, or 5 teams. Only 1 or 2. Certainly kids have often moved up one team and rarely, but sometimes two. I don't think that there are any age groups with 5 teams and most of teh kids on the 4th team started much later and/or just aren't as talented. I also think that most kids, after 1 or 2 years on a given team, don't want to move up but raterh want to keep the relations that they have.

Maybe we monitor this thread because its 99% about yjs...if you're going to put bad info out there about yjs we need to put the correct info out there. So you can call this a tg thread but its mostly about yjs

that is true, i know of a few kids that played on 2nd teams for years, did very well, were asked to move up to top team, but refused and stayed where thet were.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe we monitor this thread because its 99% about yjs...if you're going to put bad info out there about yjs we need to put the correct info out there. So you can call this a tg thread but its mostly about yjs

you are out of your mind.

And youre in denial

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And youre in denial

What are you doing wasting your time on other threads, you have plenty of people tearing up the YJ organization right on your own thread. How did you become the self anointed keeper of YJ's "good" name on the internet. If that's your deal, you better get busy because you have hundreds of posts that are negative that you will need to respond to. And relax, cause I'm not saying YJ's is the only club with negative comments about them on the internet, all clubs have haters. And to tell you the truth, you responded to an inquiry of a posed question of wether girls on lower teams move up in either TG, YJ or any other organizations, if that is the negative thing your monitoring other threads for, your doing a really poor job of it.

"all clubs have haters"
You seem to be one of those haters

" you responded to an inquiry of a posed question of wether girls on lower teams move up in either TG, YJ or any "
It seems they were responding to the negative statements about monitering the site. I am sure none of the tg parents have read or responded to statements on the yj thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wow Yj parents checking topgun rosters. what does that say? Isn't that funny. lol

Rosters of both YG and TG 2015 teams are at 24-25 kids... That is way too many kids to carry on a travel lax team...I am more concerned w/ playing time vs which program they are playing with.... That is how kids improve, by playing, not watching....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"all clubs have haters"
You seem to be one of those haters

" you responded to an inquiry of a posed question of wether girls on lower teams move up in either TG, YJ or any "
It seems they were responding to the negative statements about monitering the site. I am sure none of the tg parents have read or responded to statements on the yj thread.

You are wrong. I am a TG parent. I look at other threads and somtimes I respond....even YJ threades...Oh imaging that!

I think practice and playing with/against kids of equal or greater ability may have an impact on improving. Sometimes its the quality not quantity of playing time.That being said 25 kids on a team is too many if all 25 show up which is rare over the summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wow Yj parents checking topgun rosters. what does that say? Isn't that funny. lol

Rosters of both YG and TG 2015 teams are at 24-25 kids... That is way too many kids to carry on a travel lax team...I am more concerned w/ playing time vs which program they are playing with.... That is how kids improve, by playing, not watching....

I disagree. First of all, not all people make every tournament so it's rare the full roster is in attendance. Second, injuries. Third, these are tournament teams, by definition they are playing at least two games a day but often more, and given the season, chances are the heat and humidity make it brutal. Hence, subbing happens and it's good to have a bench.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wow Yj parents checking topgun rosters. what does that say? Isn't that funny. lol

Rosters of both YG and TG 2015 teams are at 24-25 kids... That is way too many kids to carry on a travel lax team...I am more concerned w/ playing time vs which program they are playing with.... That is how kids improve, by playing, not watching....

I disagree. First of all, not all people make every tournament so it's rare the full roster is in attendance. Second, injuries. Third, these are tournament teams, by definition they are playing at least two games a day but often more, and given the season, chances are the heat and humidity make it brutal. Hence, subbing happens and it's good to have a bench.

Obviously a difference of opinion but I would hate to be a parent of child #24 or #25 at an "elite" tournament...where the team is in the hunt for a tourny championship..only thing good about the bench is that those bottom 4-5 kids will be sitting on it and the parents will be wondering what they paid all that $ for...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wow Yj parents checking topgun rosters. what does that say? Isn't that funny. lol

Rosters of both YG and TG 2015 teams are at 24-25 kids... That is way too many kids to carry on a travel lax team...I am more concerned w/ playing time vs which program they are playing with.... That is how kids improve, by playing, not watching....

I disagree. First of all, not all people make every tournament so it's rare the full roster is in attendance. Second, injuries. Third, these are tournament teams, by definition they are playing at least two games a day but often more, and given the season, chances are the heat and humidity make it brutal. Hence, subbing happens and it's good to have a bench.

Obviously a difference of opinion but I would hate to be a parent of child #24 or #25 at an "elite" tournament...where the team is in the hunt for a tourny championship..only thing good about the bench is that those bottom 4-5 kids will be sitting on it and the parents will be wondering what they paid all that $ for...

My daughter's been on several different tournament teams, I have seen the depth of roster win tournaments and have been on both sides of the discussion. I remember she played in a tournament with a limited number of subs, made it through pool play and early playoff games, but the girls were a bit spent by the time the championship final game came around. Unfortunately they lost a tight one and there is no doubt it was because they were spent and the other team was fresh because of the use of subs. This is how the elite tournament teams are structured and built on purpose. But look at it this way, these elite teams nearly always make it through pool play and rather far into playoff play, so in a tournament they play many more games than a weak team getting beat in the pool play and going home before the playoffs begin. So by the end of the tournament the girls end up with more field time then the team with no subs who went home early. So long as the girls are getting rotated in and not sitting on the bench, it's all good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wow Yj parents checking topgun rosters. what does that say? Isn't that funny. lol

Rosters of both YG and TG 2015 teams are at 24-25 kids... That is way too many kids to carry on a travel lax team...I am more concerned w/ playing time vs which program they are playing with.... That is how kids improve, by playing, not watching....

I disagree. First of all, not all people make every tournament so it's rare the full roster is in attendance. Second, injuries. Third, these are tournament teams, by definition they are playing at least two games a day but often more, and given the season, chances are the heat and humidity make it brutal. Hence, subbing happens and it's good to have a bench.

Obviously a difference of opinion but I would hate to be a parent of child #24 or #25 at an "elite" tournament...where the team is in the hunt for a tourny championship..only thing good about the bench is that those bottom 4-5 kids will be sitting on it and the parents will be wondering what they paid all that $ for...

My daughter's been on several different tournament teams, I have seen the depth of roster win tournaments and have been on both sides of the discussion. I remember she played in a tournament with a limited number of subs, made it through pool play and early playoff games, but the girls were a bit spent by the time the championship final game came around. Unfortunately they lost a tight one and there is no doubt it was because they were spent and the other team was fresh because of the use of subs. This is how the elite tournament teams are structured and built on purpose. But look at it this way, these elite teams nearly always make it through pool play and rather far into playoff play, so in a tournament they play many more games than a weak team getting beat in the pool play and going home before the playoffs begin. So by the end of the tournament the girls end up with more field time then the team with no subs who went home early. So long as the girls are getting rotated in and not sitting on the bench, it's all good.

Maybe TG should have made 3 teams.

With the number of kids at some of the age group tryouts, they could have done a third or forth team. I don't think that's what they want to do at this time. I think its a bit selfish attitude wanting to keep roster numbers down. For other lacrosse leuges, yes because your one game a week comes and goes, but for tournaments no. The tournaments are often brutal physically, five , six, seven full length games in two days. I love seeing my daughter get playing time, and they all get plenty at these tournaments, even with a good number of subs.

about 22 is the right amount for girls tournament team. 24 is too many. Crazy, but amazing what a difference 2 bodies can make.

Younger age (up to maybe summer after 7th grade) practive matters more than playing time. after that, playing time does matter and after 9th grade it is key because it's about being seen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

about 22 is the right amount for girls tournament team. 24 is too many. Crazy, but amazing what a difference 2 bodies can make.

Younger age (up to maybe summer after 7th grade) practive matters more than playing time. after that, playing time does matter and after 9th grade it is key because it's about being seen.

22 is an ideal # for a travel team. That factors in a player or two missing for away tournaments. For any one league game, 16 field players and 2 goalies is ideal. Tourneys, 20 field players and 2 goalies works....24-25 is way too much to carry. But at $1200/$1300 per kid I guess its a good # for the program...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And youre in denial

What are you doing wasting your time on other threads, you have plenty of people tearing up the YJ organization right on your own thread. How did you become the self anointed keeper of YJ's "good" name on the internet. If that's your deal, you better get busy because you have hundreds of posts that are negative that you will need to respond to. And relax, cause I'm not saying YJ's is the only club with negative comments about them on the internet, all clubs have haters. And to tell you the truth, you responded to an inquiry of a posed question of wether girls on lower teams move up in either TG, YJ or any other organizations, if that is the negative thing your monitoring other threads for, your doing a really poor job of it.

People are growing tired of the Yellow Jackets antics, on and off the field. This is why people are looking else where when it comes to club lacrosse.

You are sadly mistaken YJ is thriving on and off the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are sadly mistaken YJ is thriving on and off the field.

Top Gun has a team of 2013 players. Would be interested to see a verbal commitment list like YJ has.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are sadly mistaken YJ is thriving on and off the field.

Top Gun has a team of 2013 players. Would be interested to see a verbal commitment list like YJ has.

And I would like to see a unicorn...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are sadly mistaken YJ is thriving on and off the field.

Top Gun has a team of 2013 players. Would be interested to see a verbal commitment list like YJ has.

You can't go any any other thread on this site without major harrasment from yj's. You parents are all over every single other clubs threads and so overly relentless in telling everybody how much better you are than everyone else. It's quite old at this point. We get it, You think your great. Now go away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are sadly mistaken YJ is thriving on and off the field.

Great, now go thrive on the YellowJackets board.

I thought that all the forums and threads were for all laxers, not just specific clubs. Good info for all creates knowledge and helps the kids, It is all about the kids and recruiting or none of us would be interested in reading all the posts, good, bad or indifferent.
If my kid isnt a Top Gun , how would i learn about the organization unless i read the posts ?

The recruting this weekend at Navy was off the hook, over 80 top coaches from the biggest colleges in the country,however i did not see any Top Guns or Long Island Express there .Does Top Guns or Express or All Stars offer true Scouting?I was surprised they absent

Primetime had over 200 colleges attend!! Did not see them there either? No Liberty, Express,Top Guns, fl$, Wave, Anchor

Are they really helping their athletes get recruited?

As a liberty parent I have to say you have no Idea what your talking about. I Will trust Danielle Gallagher ,the coach of one of the best lacrosse programs in the country , a woman that has helped put hundreds of girls into top Div 1 , ivy league , and top d2 schools , not to mention a hall of fame player , with my daughters recruitment . Shannon is a very good player , but as of this moment that is all she is . So please keep your Top Guns pride in check until shannon has proven herself a bit more , and you should not question the capabilities of proven coaches

By the way elbow jackets 2015 blue was not at that event . are you saying carol rose doesn't know what she is doing , and that is probably the best team in the country

2015 too young to go college coaches not concentrating on them yet so she was correct not to send them

Thats not true Liberty And the yellow Jackets were at a recruitment tourney on sunday

again Liberty dad not true my daughter is one of the teams mentioned and quitely has had Navy come look at her. It doesn't have to always be advertised

I did see alot of big organizations there with mostly 13 and 14 teams and was impressed with the schools that inquired about my daughter,with years of hard work the fruits are biggining to ripen. This is what we all worked for and want the best for our kids.No matter which org you choose its about the recruiting, absolute bottom line

Liberty was at Navy sunday ?

If Carol didnt know what she is doing,the other orgs would not be chasing her game.Being jealous makes for motivation,thats why we chase the best, to make our selves work harder and smarter.Right (Liability Dad)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

again Liberty dad not true my daughter is one of the teams mentioned and quitely has had Navy come look at her. It doesn't have to always be advertised

where in Jersey

Originally Posted by D.A.N.G

If Carol didnt know what she is doing,the other orgs would not be chasing her game.Being jealous makes for motivation,thats why we chase the best, to make our selves work harder and smarter.Right (Liability Dad)

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say , So let me be clear, I watched as YJ 2015 took apart 4 teams. They could be the best team , at this moment , in any age group. Carol does a fantastic job with her club, and is one of the best at finding talent ,I also think Danielle Gallagher is also one of the best in the country at finding and cultivating talent. I am saying that a woman of 22 years, no matter how much she has achieved, still has some way to go to be compared to like of Carol Rose and Danielle Gallagher. give these two legends the respect they deserve

The last several posts here are so disjointed and unclear. You guys are pulling topics out of nowhere and trying to join things unstated and unrelated. Topguns, yj, liberty whatever coach/ director......just a bad exchange from the get go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The last several posts here are so disjointed and unclear. You guys are pulling topics out of nowhere and trying to join things unstated and unrelated. Topguns, yj, liberty whatever coach/ director......just a bad exchange from the get go.

BOTC agrees. We are approaching a point where using the age group based threads would be more advantageous. If you have age group specific comments, note that we have girls threads for 2013, 2014, 2015, and more already started. Please use those. As for this thread, the discussion should be focused on the Top Guns programs itself.

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topguns - just because a girl is a good player and plays d1 colege lacrosse, doesn't make her a good coach.. some of your coaches are horrible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

topguns - just because a girl is a good player and plays d1 colege lacrosse, doesn't make her a good coach.. some of your coaches are horrible.

Okay, thanks for the info. If you follow the some of the other clubs threads, you will come to the conclusion that the coach doesn't matter at all. It's hard to have both it ways.

what happened to top guns thread, did they fold already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what happened to top guns thread, did they fold already.

No.

Here's a thought, perhaps Top Guns parents have better things to do than spew venom everyday, like you psychotic yj parents(who are probably on this thread more than anyone)

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what happened to top guns thread, did they fold already.

No.

They didn't win anything in the last tourney despite all their age groups playing so what is there really to talk about. Just waiting for next summer I guess...

just curious how did you know it was a yj parent and aren't you spewing venom making yourself just like the people you cannot stand?

speak english please

"just curious how did you know it was a yj parent and aren't you spewing venom making yourself just like the people you cannot stand?"
Just curious ,how would you know it was a yj parent?
Don't you think your statement is just as much venom spewing as anyone else.Hopefully you can understand their statement now , as I am sure most were able to understand.

WOW

I rest my case!

was this actually written by an adult?

I have a child who is a top gun and I apologize for the ignorant people who are making fun of the poster. One thing I have learned is when people make fun of someone it usually reflects more about the person making the personal attacks.I wonder what level of education they have attained to make them feel so superior.

Which age Top guns teams can compete with the other clubs top teams, I ask this because I have been impressed with many of the top guns teams but it seems on the yj thread many are stating they are not competitive as of yet.Do not mean for this to start trouble just curious.

and your intention is "not" to start trouble.

I don't believe it for a minute

There's no point in trying to predict the upcoming season. It will play out soon enough.

Hope winter League is no indication because your struggling at best

14, 16, and 18 can beat the YJ on any giving day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

14, 16, and 18 can beat the YJ on any giving day.

The Mets can beat the Yankees on any given day, but that doesn't make them better! Any team can have a bad day! BTW I don't think any of those teams has beaten a YJ Blue team in their age group yet. If they do you will come on this site and pound your chest like you won the Superbowl! Really in the grand scheme of things it doesn't mean anything! It is great to be competitive with the local clubs as long as it is respectful! In the long run they will all be better off having other local club club teams that are good. The better the teams get the more opportunity there will be for Long Island girl at the next level!

2016 top guns have little chance at beating yj top 2016 team, simply put they are just not that good.There are at least 5 teams in that age group that are better than tg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hope winter League is no indication because your struggling at best

Hope your not using winter play as an indicator, because it has absolutely no bearing on what happens at the summer tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2016 top guns have little chance at beating yj top 2016 team, simply put they are just not that good.There are at least 5 teams in that age group that are better than tg

Just ask the 2017 YJ team they played 2 games against today.

the 2016 black team lost to the 2017 blue team 16-14 and then 2016 beat 2017 the second game by one goal only.

and beat them the first game and only lost by one the second.

who cares, its indoor winter you idiot . omg.. you are sad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

and your intention is "not" to start trouble.

I don't believe it for a minute

It was obviously intended to start trouble. TG parents ignore this stuff, don't get into the meaningless squabbling about about this team played that team etc... it is all so silly, go out and play the games this summer and leave it on the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2016 top guns have little chance at beating yj top 2016 team, simply put they are just not that good.There are at least 5 teams in that age group that are better than tg

Just ask the 2017 YJ team they played 2 games against today.

your crowing because your 2016 won 2 games against 2017 teams from any org by a a combined 2 goals. I think your program has problems, you might not be that good. you should be beating younger teams by a lot more than 1 goal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2016 top guns have little chance at beating yj top 2016 team, simply put they are just not that good.There are at least 5 teams in that age group that are better than tg

Just ask the 2017 YJ team they played 2 games against today.

your crowing because your 2016 won 2 games against 2017 teams from any org by a a combined 2 goals. I think your program has problems, you might not be that good. you should be beating younger teams by a lot more than 1 goal

Actually they lost to 2017 the first game, won second game by a goal

They were two close games where each team played hard, the competition was good, both teams had to raise their game against the other, it was an enjoyable Sunday afternoon, regardless of the outcome

Let me know when you get your trophy for indoors..... oh yeh, there are no trophys!!! Stay on your own board!

Let us know when tg 2016 wins a game against one of the better travel teams in their own age group.

How did top guns do against a School team that they played yesterday morning?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did top guns do against a School team that they played yesterday morning?

I don't know, please tell us.

I truly find that hard to believe...didnt TG 2018 Black AND purple both loose to the same town team recently in indoor? That team ONLY had 7 YJ players on it...how do you think you would fair verse the 2018 Blue??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did top guns do against a School team that they played yesterday morning?

I don't know, please tell us.

Pretty sure that a travel team lost to a middle school team in the high school division, lots of upset TG parents.....embarrasing to say the least....

For those of us who have no idea what ages you are talking about how about some specifics like what age teams and what town

I can't believe anyone can seriously try to discuss results of indoor play as to what teams are better. As far as town teams looking good, that's great for them if they can compete. Understand though that these town teams show up and play to win, even leaving players on the bench, and the stars never leaving the field. Travels teams break the teams into groups, so its not the real team, they rotate kids at any old position, and are out there to just keep the stick in their hands. The 7 vs. 7 indoor game barely resembles the the outdoor game. Anyone trying to gauge the teams from indoor play, for good or bad, may very well be way off come summer. And in the event your team does win in the summer tournaments, congatulations. Do you really need to go on a message board and tell everyone your team is better, some parents are so pathetic. When you were kids, could your dad beat up everybody else's dad?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For those of us who have no idea what ages you are talking about how about some specifics like what age teams and what town

I can tell you what I know, the TG 2016 team split two close games with the YJ 2017 blue. take from that what you want but it is what it is

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can't believe anyone can seriously try to discuss results of indoor play as to what teams are better. As far as town teams looking good, that's great for them if they can compete. Understand though that these town teams show up and play to win, even leaving players on the bench, and the stars never leaving the field. Travels teams break the teams into groups, so its not the real team, they rotate kids at any old position, and are out there to just keep the stick in their hands. The 7 vs. 7 indoor game barely resembles the the outdoor game. Anyone trying to gauge the teams from indoor play, for good or bad, may very well be way off come summer. And in the event your team does win in the summer tournaments, congatulations. Do you really need to go on a message board and tell everyone your team is better, some parents are so pathetic. When you were kids, could your dad beat up everybody else's dad?

now if we were talking boys lacrosse, I would agree with the indoor - outdoor games being very different. Girls lax , on the other hand, is a, in close to the goalie type of game be it in or outdoor . To say that a select, or elite team , that your own members tout as the best on long Island , far better than every other club, for them to lose to a town team, and for you to say that they lost because they were rotated into any old position is such a cop out that I am sure every true elite club is laughing at you. you ELITE girls should be able to beat a common town team while playing with there weak hand, on there knees blindfolded, like the Y.J's do .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For those of us who have no idea what ages you are talking about how about some specifics like what age teams and what town

I can tell you what I know, the TG 2016 team split two close games with the YJ 2017 blue. take from that what you want but it is what it is

So what's the point? I really don't understand the comment. A 2016 team beat a team a whole year younger and also lost to the same team. What should be taken from that? The 2017 team is good and the 2016 team is struggling against a younger team?I am not sure that is what was meant. Please fill me in.

It is sad to see parents pounding their chests on these boards. Whatever team or organization you support it doesn't matter, but you are embarrassing your club and directors by spewing crap all over the message boards. The behavior on these boards is quite embarassing for all of long island lacrosse. I am a fan of discussion forums and many other websites have them. The best ones have login names and no anonymous posts options, and people and discussions remain civil. This whole anonymous posting is a terrible thing. Sure its great for BOTC, it gets people all fired up and posting like crazy, but it shows the ugly underbelly of lacrosse (parents)on Long Island. Here you have the option to create a user name and comments and posts can be linked, but you would be crazy to put yourself out in front of the anonymous discussion board. Just look at the roasting Libertydad has taken. I give him credit. Perhaps new threads can be created to only accept registered users, it would sure go a long way to help the image of LI lacrosse, because the way this is going is not good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For those of us who have no idea what ages you are talking about how about some specifics like what age teams and what town

I can tell you what I know, the TG 2016 team split two close games with the YJ 2017 blue. take from that what you want but it is what it is

So what's the point? I really don't understand the comment. A 2016 team beat a team a whole year younger and also lost to the same team. What should be taken from that? The 2017 team is good and the 2016 team is struggling against a younger team?I am not sure that is what was meant. Please fill me in.

I think you got it... The YJ team looks like they are well coached and skilled, the TG team is also skilled although it appears there is still work to be done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can't believe anyone can seriously try to discuss results of indoor play as to what teams are better. As far as town teams looking good, that's great for them if they can compete. Understand though that these town teams show up and play to win, even leaving players on the bench, and the stars never leaving the field. Travels teams break the teams into groups, so its not the real team, they rotate kids at any old position, and are out there to just keep the stick in their hands. The 7 vs. 7 indoor game barely resembles the the outdoor game. Anyone trying to gauge the teams from indoor play, for good or bad, may very well be way off come summer. And in the event your team does win in the summer tournaments, congatulations. Do you really need to go on a message board and tell everyone your team is better, some parents are so pathetic. When you were kids, could your dad beat up everybody else's dad?

now if we were talking boys lacrosse, I would agree with the indoor - outdoor games being very different. Girls lax , on the other hand, is a, in close to the goalie type of game be it in or outdoor . To say that a select, or elite team , that your own members tout as the best on long Island , far better than every other club, for them to lose to a town team, and for you to say that they lost because they were rotated into any old position is such a cop out that I am sure every true elite club is laughing at you. you ELITE girls should be able to beat a common town team while playing with there weak hand, on there knees blindfolded, like the Y.J's do .

I agree with most of your point although with the indoor game there is no draw after every goal and the teams can breakout in a fast break the games get a kind of run and gun feel to them, although outdoors there is alot more emphasis on ball posession and movement

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For those of us who have no idea what ages you are talking about how about some specifics like what age teams and what town

I can tell you what I know, the TG 2016 team split two close games with the YJ 2017 blue. take from that what you want but it is what it is

So what's the point? I really don't understand the comment. A 2016 team beat a team a whole year younger and also lost to the same team. What should be taken from that? The 2017 team is good and the 2016 team is struggling against a younger team?I am not sure that is what was meant. Please fill me in.

You must be kidding . what is the club dues for Top Guns, It better be free. because if I have to pay to be on an "ELITE" team, that team better be able to beat girls a year younger without any problem at all . I don't men eek a a 1 goal win , I mean a 7-8 goal trouncing. I don't care if your goalie was starting middie, these are supposed to be the best girls in an age group. I can't decide if the entire team should be cut and hold new tryouts, or should the parents be demanding there money back. Either way if your a Top Guns Parent you should keep your mouth shut about being able to beat any club until your teams can at least compete with younger teams and town teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For those of us who have no idea what ages you are talking about how about some specifics like what age teams and what town

I can tell you what I know, the TG 2016 team split two close games with the YJ 2017 blue. take from that what you want but it is what it is

So what's the point? I really don't understand the comment. A 2016 team beat a team a whole year younger and also lost to the same team. What should be taken from that? The 2017 team is good and the 2016 team is struggling against a younger team?I am not sure that is what was meant. Please fill me in.

You must be kidding . what is the club dues for Top Guns, It better be free. because if I have to pay to be on an "ELITE" team, that team better be able to beat girls a year younger without any problem at all . I don't men eek a a 1 goal win , I mean a 7-8 goal trouncing. I don't care if your goalie was starting middie, these are supposed to be the best girls in an age group. I can't decide if the entire team should be cut and hold new tryouts, or should the parents be demanding there money back. Either way if your a Top Guns Parent you should keep your mouth shut about being able to beat any club until your teams can at least compete with younger teams and town teams.

Holy pathetic trouble maker trying to stir it up. Stop making an [lacrosse] of yourself. Do you really think parents are buying your rant? All parents should keep their mouths shut, TG and other clubs. What exactly are trying to accomplish? Seriously, be quite and go away you sad, sad miserable person.

well said

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For those of us who have no idea what ages you are talking about how about some specifics like what age teams and what town

I can tell you what I know, the TG 2016 team split two close games with the YJ 2017 blue. take from that what you want but it is what it is

So what's the point? I really don't understand the comment. A 2016 team beat a team a whole year younger and also lost to the same team. What should be taken from that? The 2017 team is good and the 2016 team is struggling against a younger team?I am not sure that is what was meant. Please fill me in.

You must be kidding . what is the club dues for Top Guns, It better be free. because if I have to pay to be on an "ELITE" team, that team better be able to beat girls a year younger without any problem at all . I don't men eek a a 1 goal win , I mean a 7-8 goal trouncing. I don't care if your goalie was starting middie, these are supposed to be the best girls in an age group. I can't decide if the entire team should be cut and hold new tryouts, or should the parents be demanding there money back. Either way if your a Top Guns Parent you should keep your mouth shut about being able to beat any club until your teams can at least compete with younger teams and town teams.

Holy pathetic trouble maker trying to stir it up. Stop making an [lacrosse] of yourself. Do you really think parents are buying your rant? All parents should keep their mouths shut, TG and other clubs. What exactly are trying to accomplish? Seriously, be quite and go away you sad, sad miserable person.

T.G. parents are the biggest trash talkers who are you guys trying to kid

"T.G. parents are the biggest trash talkers who are you guys trying to kid"

Let�s look at this. You are on the TG thread trash talking, that makes you yourself a trash talker. Are you any better than whatever parents you may be accusing? This makes you a hypocrite with no credibility. Never took any formal course on debate did you? This is obvious.

"This makes you a hypocrite with no credibility. Never took any formal course on debate did you? This is obvious."
And the trash talk continues

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"This makes you a hypocrite with no credibility. Never took any formal course on debate did you? This is obvious."
And the trash talk continues

who takes formal debate classes to talk on a blog, take your nose out of the air you overeducated snob. Go on any other girls thread and you will see T.G parents acting poorly , but now that it happens on yours you get upset. Learn how to take what your own members dish out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go on any other girls thread and you will see T.G parents acting poorly , but now that it happens on yours you get upset. Learn how to take what your own members dish out

Okay, no. No you won't see any TG parents acting badly, or any other parents identified with any other club. Why? BECAUSE YOU'RE ALL ANONYMOUS! There are about three or four of us on this board who have, at some point, indicated with which club we are affiliated but the rest of you have not. NO ONE KNOWS who's posting this stuff. Don't make assumptions.

And now, not directed at anyone, but just my vent in general, I'm sick to death of who beat who in the past. It's a new year. In a few months we'll all get a clearer picture of where all the teams/clubs stand in comparison to one another. Until then it's a lot of hot air and hot tempers getting fussed up about stuff that we can't change. Pointless arguments. Rant over.

YJ parents are funny. lol

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go on any other girls thread and you will see T.G parents acting poorly , but now that it happens on yours you get upset. Learn how to take what your own members dish out

Okay, no. No you won't see any TG parents acting badly, or any other parents identified with any other club. Why? BECAUSE YOU'RE ALL ANONYMOUS! There are about three or four of us on this board who have, at some point, indicated with which club we are affiliated but the rest of you have not. NO ONE KNOWS who's posting this stuff. Don't make assumptions.

And now, not directed at anyone, but just my vent in general, I'm sick to death of who beat who in the past. It's a new year. In a few months we'll all get a clearer picture of where all the teams/clubs stand in comparison to one another. Until then it's a lot of hot air and hot tempers getting fussed up about stuff that we can't change. Pointless arguments. Rant over.

Be careful..... your making sense

The unfotunate part is we will never actually get to see where all the long island clubs stand relative to one another ,how great would it be to have a true long island championship with no affiliation to any particular club with full games on full fields in a championship format.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The unfotunate part is we will never actually get to see where all the long island clubs stand relative to one another ,how great would it be to have a true long island championship with no affiliation to any particular club with full games on full fields in a championship format.

Set it up!
But that won't happen because the clubs are afraid to get beat. You would need someone with no club affiliation to set it up.

Yellow Jackets would never go for that. They think they have too much to loose. They would never risk the embarrasment of losing to a Long Island team. They avoid the good Long Island teams at the summer tournaments, and they only play the ones they know they can beat. and yes they do have a say in the schedule making at these tournaments. Take a look at the draw in some of these tournaments this summer and you tell me if they are making there own schedules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yellow Jackets would never go for that. They think they have too much to loose. They would never risk the embarrasment of losing to a Long Island team. They avoid the good Long Island teams at the summer tournaments, and they only play the ones they know they can beat. and yes they do have a say in the schedule making at these tournaments. Take a look at the draw in some of these tournaments this summer and you tell me if they are making there own schedules.

very humorous, the jackets ducking long island teams, especially TG, you are kidding yourself, mate

Give me a break ,you can play the yj teams anytime you want.The yj list the tournaments they are doing every year on their website and your team can sign up to play in these championship tournaments anytime you want.You want to play them on long island play in the elite showcase,you won't do it and will use the excuse of them setting your team up to fail, the only thing setting your child's team up to fail is parents like you making excuses

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Give me a break ,you can play the yj teams anytime you want.The yj list the tournaments they are doing every year on their website and your team can sign up to play in these championship tournaments anytime you want.You want to play them on long island play in the elite showcase,you won't do it and will use the excuse of them setting your team up to fail, the only thing setting your child's team up to fail is parents like you making excuses

Thats a fact well said and the same goes for most organizations . .but most all the best highschool teams are all yellow jackets anyway (northport/gardencity)

You all need to get a life. Leave the girls alone. They don't need you at all to play lacrosse.

yeah they do, how they going to get to practice

What a stupid reply

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yeah they do, how they going to get to practice

That's funny!
Obviously the kids need parents, driving to practice, tournaments and for guidance and support as they play through the years. What the kids don't need is their parents online, pounding their chest "my daughter's team is better than yours" and on and on.

News from the College Front - Opener for Northwestern

STANFORD, Calif. -- Top-ranked Northwestern women's lacrosse handled a challenging season-opening road test with relative ease Friday night, outscoring No. 6 Stanford 11-2 in the second half to secure an 18-6 victory at Cagan Stadium in California. Senior Shannon Smith and junior Erin Fitzgerald each posted hat tricks to lead a group of 12 Wildcat goal-scorers.

Northwestern was aided by a 20-6 advantage on draw controls, led by the nine collected by sophomore Alyssa Leonard.

"We didn't start out the way we wanted to defensively but I thought we really picked up in the second half," said head coach Kelly Amonte Hiller. "Stanford is a great team so it was important for us to create opportunities and we were able to do that and earn some free positions. It's a solid first step for everyone to see what they need to work on before next week."

Originally Posted by CageSage

News from the College Front - Opener for Northwestern

STANFORD, Calif. -- Top-ranked Northwestern women's lacrosse handled a challenging season-opening road test with relative ease Friday night, outscoring No. 6 Stanford 11-2 in the second half to secure an 18-6 victory at Cagan Stadium in California. Senior Shannon Smith and junior Erin Fitzgerald each posted hat tricks to lead a group of 12 Wildcat goal-scorers.

Northwestern was aided by a 20-6 advantage on draw controls, led by the nine collected by sophomore Alyssa Leonard.
"We didn't start out the way we wanted to defensively but I thought we really picked up in the second half," said head coach Kelly Amonte Hiller. "Stanford is a great team so it was important for us to create opportunities and we were able to do that and earn some free positions. It's a solid first step for everyone to see what they need to work on before next week."

Nice to see a couple of yellow jackets doing so well !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

News from the College Front - Opener for Northwestern

STANFORD, Calif. -- Top-ranked Northwestern women's lacrosse handled a challenging season-opening road test with relative ease Friday night, outscoring No. 6 Stanford 11-2 in the second half to secure an 18-6 victory at Cagan Stadium in California. Senior Shannon Smith and junior Erin Fitzgerald each posted hat tricks to lead a group of 12 Wildcat goal-scorers.

Northwestern was aided by a 20-6 advantage on draw controls, led by the nine collected by sophomore Alyssa Leonard.
"We didn't start out the way we wanted to defensively but I thought we really picked up in the second half," said head coach Kelly Amonte Hiller. "Stanford is a great team so it was important for us to create opportunities and we were able to do that and earn some free positions. It's a solid first step for everyone to see what they need to work on before next week."

Nice to see a couple of yellow jackets doing so well !

Yes it is so nice to see that so many of the top gun coaches completely dominate the D1 lacrosse scene.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes it is so nice to see that so many of the top gun coaches completely dominate the D1 lacrosse scene.

Like!

It is nice to see two long island girls playing at such a high level, period.

its too bad the YJ directors will not support them. at stoneu brook last may, they were rooting against there own. what a shame

Originally Posted by Anonymous

its too bad the YJ directors will not support them. at stoneu brook last may, they were rooting against there own. what a shame

I think you guys need to get past that already. You have your own club now to worry about. You should worry more about putting a competative team out there in all age groups and not what the YJ Directors may or may not be doing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

its too bad the YJ directors will not support them. at stoneu brook last may, they were rooting against there own. what a shame

I think you guys need to get past that already. You have your own club now to worry about. You should worry more about putting a competative team out there in all age groups and not what the YJ Directors may or may not be doing.

Done deal, see you at the summer tournaments, good luck.

Originally Posted by sectionxi

It is nice to see two long island girls playing at such a high level, period.

The article cagesage posted actually highlighted three girls from northwestern/topguns who all had standout performances in that game. There are many long island girls on that championship team, it is great to see long island lacrosse represented at the very highest level, congrats girls.

Check out article in Sundays newsday about Northwestern and Top Guns coaches. Its nice to see them get the recognition they deserve. Go Cats, go topguns.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check out article in Sundays newsday about Northwestern and Top Guns coaches. Its nice to see them get the recognition they deserve. Go Cats, go topguns.

. I don't believe top guns was ever mentioned? Wonder why?

nobody said topguns was mentioned, just recognizing topguns coaches for there accomplishments at NU. Jealousy will get you nowhere. You must be real worried about topguns if your monotoring this site. you are pathetic. Do you feel threatened by topguns? The club you belong to must not be doing well. I can probably guess what club you belong to. Get a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't believe top guns was ever mentioned? Wonder why?

Gee, neither was YJ. Wonder why? Doy, Newsday never mentions club teams in any sport. Get with the program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

nobody said topguns was mentioned, just recognizing topguns coaches for there accomplishments at NU. Jealousy will get you nowhere. You must be real worried about topguns if your monotoring this site. you are pathetic. Do you feel threatened by topguns? The club you belong to must not be doing well. I can probably guess what club you belong to. Get a life.

. Wow defensive much! Just wondered since article was mainly about Shannon and her plans for after school yet never mentioned that she formed this huge club and I wondered why. Seems curious?Shouldn't she be proud of her club and wouldn't that be great publicity for her club to mention it in a long island newspaper??

dont wonder why, think about it you moron. common sense

Originally Posted by Anonymous

dont wonder why, think about it you moron. common sense

. Yeah I guess I am slow. Why don't you explain it to me . Maybe you can answe it without the name calling?

yeah genius explain it for us morons.You seem to be the best example of your travel club all bravado with no true substance. All show and no go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can proJust wondered since article was mainly about Shannon and her plans for after school yet never mentioned that she formed this huge club and I wondered why. Seems curious?Shouldn't she be proud of her club and wouldn't that be great publicity for her club to mention it in a long island newspaper??

Clearly you don't read Newsday. Newsday has never mentioned any club teams for any sport in any article about any LI kid who's featured, ever. Stop trying to make drama where there isn't any.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yeah genius explain it for us morons.You seem to be the best example of your travel club all bravado with no true substance. All show and no go.

All of you sound liked a bunch of babies. This is not about you or your club, this was about Shannon, and other accomplished lax players way beyond club ball. Turns out Shannon is the best and most accomplished lacrosse player ever to come from long island, congrats to her. Good luck to her in whatever she chooses to do, top guns are very lucky to have her. Yj's should congratulate her and move on, not try to put a lame club spin on reasons not to support her. What she has accomplished in her NCAA career is amazing, and its not even over yet. Good luck to her in all that she does!

Being married to you "make and argument out of nothing" folks must be a complete dream. Jeez.

i think this guy is the moron

Case in point above.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes it is so nice to see that so many of the top gun coaches completely dominate the D1 lacrosse scene.

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Great players doesn't a;ways translate into great coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes it is so nice to see that so many of the top gun coaches completely dominate the D1 lacrosse scene.

Like!

Great players doesn't a;ways translate into great coaches.

What's "Big Daddys" credentials

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes it is so nice to see that so many of the top gun coaches completely dominate the D1 lacrosse scene.

Like!

Great players doesn't a;ways translate into great coaches.

That's certainly true. Of course having been a crappy player or never a player, doesn't mean you will be a good coach either. It's good to have coaches who have played at the very highest level as a starting point. Wether they turn into good coaches, you have to wait and see, but it's certainly wise to build "anything" on a good foundation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes it is so nice to see that so many of the top gun coaches completely dominate the D1 lacrosse scene.

Like!

Great players doesn't a;ways translate into great coaches.

What's "Big Daddys" credentials

He sells wooden shafts, that's about it.

Actually the shaft tent was empty !!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes it is so nice to see that so many of the top gun coaches completely dominate the D1 lacrosse scene.

Like!

Great players doesn't a;ways translate into great coaches.

What's "Big Daddys" credentials

I don't see him listed as a coach for any of the teams.

is that what you did all day, keep an eye on the shaft tent, what is wrong with you.

please go back to your yj thread

for starters i would bet he passed high school english (nice grammar) why don't you go back to your yj thread, oh that's right i heard that cr told all her zombies that they're not allowed on the botc forum anymore

puppets not zombies. zombies is not nice.

After seeing a couple of practices I can confidently say TG is going to take over the girls lax world this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After seeing a couple of practices I can confidently say TG is going to take over the girls lax world this summer.

Please, please I beg you set up a scrimmage with Yellow Jackets Blue any age group so we can see what reality is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After seeing a couple of practices I can confidently say TG is going to take over the girls lax world this summer.

Please, please I beg you set up a scrimmage with Yellow Jackets Blue any age group so we can see what reality is.

Perhaps one age group might excel and that discussion would be better placed on one of the girls age group threads.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After seeing a couple of practices I can confidently say TG is going to take over the girls lax world this summer.

Please, please I beg you set up a scrimmage with Yellow Jackets Blue any age group so we can see what reality is.

Perhaps one age group might excel and that discussion would be better placed on one of the girls age group threads.

Agree, what age group are you speaking about?

Can we see TG 2013 verbals please. Where is your list

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we see TG 2013 verbals please. Where is your list

Why is this so important to the Yellow Jackets. The worth and success of a person or organization does not lie within its commitment list, or where one goes to college. But I guess some people can't see past the surface.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After seeing a couple of practices I can confidently say TG is going to take over the girls lax world this summer.

Please, please I beg you set up a scrimmage with Yellow Jackets Blue any age group so we can see what reality is.

Yellow Jackets Blue "A", Blue "B", Blue "C", Blue "D", or Blue "E"?

Why is it you always attribute every post you do not like to YJ. Not saying it was not YJ parent but who knows. Yes YJ has many obnoxious parents but so does TG Liberty etc.. Yes YJ has more numbers then most and in my opinion has more of every type parent from bad to good.It seems as you read thru these posts from all groups the obnoxious parents post more often then the good parents.

Originally Posted by sectionxi

Why is it you always attribute every post you do not like to YJ. Not saying it was not YJ parent but who knows. Yes YJ has many obnoxious parents but so does TG Liberty etc.. Yes YJ has more numbers then most and in my opinion has more of every type parent from bad to good.It seems as you read thru these posts from all groups the obnoxious parents post more often then the good parents.

We all know it's a yellow jacket parent. there the only group on the girls pages to ever bring it up. You all think your better than everyone els and your commitment page is the badge of honor you guys love to throw in every ones faces. The truth is it seems that most of the negativity originates from a comment made by some obnoxious yellow jacket parent bashing every other team and reminding us all how superior you guys THINK you are.

The funniest thing about your post is you assume I am a YJ parent when I have no child who has ever played for YJ. I will assume you have a child that plays TG. As to the person who was so impressed with TG practice my guess is you have a child on the very young age, as of now the best YJ teams still are the best teams on LI at age groups 2018 and above in general.I personally have not had my kids join any of the more popular travel teams because they are young and having 24 kids on a team is in my opinion ridiculous.To the Tg and Yj parents that want to drive to Maryland to play half of 25 minute games I have no problem with it ,it's just not for me.

Originally Posted by sectionxi

Why is it you always attribute every post you do not like to YJ. Not saying it was not YJ parent but who knows. Yes YJ has many obnoxious parents but so does TG Liberty etc.. Yes YJ has more numbers then most and in my opinion has more of every type parent from bad to good.It seems as you read thru these posts from all groups the obnoxious parents post more often then the good parents.

It was not a YJ parent. We all know It can't be because they are not allowed on the BOTC.

Originally Posted by sectionxi

The funniest thing about your post is you assume I am a YJ parent when I have no child who has ever played for YJ. I will assume you have a child that plays TG. As to the person who was so impressed with TG practice my guess is you have a child on the very young age, as of now the best YJ teams still are the best teams on LI at age groups 2018 and above in general.I personally have not had my kids join any of the more popular travel teams because they are young and having 24 kids on a team is in my opinion ridiculous.To the Tg and Yj parents that want to drive to Maryland to play half of 25 minute games I have no problem with it ,it's just not for me.

You are obviously not from TG or YJ's because you have no clue. What tournament are you even talking about? With two days of pool play and playoffs games leading to a championship game, these girls see about the same amount of playing time in one weekend as they will for an entire town team season. Of course your daughter's team would have to make it into the playoffs to advance to all these games and the extra playing time. Maybe that's why it's worth it playing for one of the more popular clubs, they actually do give you more bang for your buck.

You people all need to get a life and stop arguing on this site. You all look so childish. Have some self respect and simply encourage your own kids. From a players stand point you are so ridiculous. Real good example you are setting.

How did the TG teams do this weekend

tg 2015 purple got rocked gave up 62 goals in 4 games .

TG 2015 Purple won Championship in their "Elite" Division at All American Showcase this past weekend. Congrats to the girls for their hard work.

How about 2017 Black ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2015 Purple won Championship in their "Elite" Division at All American Showcase this past weekend. Congrats to the girls for their hard work.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2015 Purple won Championship in their "Elite" Division at All American Showcase this past weekend. Congrats to the girls for their hard work.

How come they didn't play in the top Division in the All American Showcase??? They missed playing some of the top teams (Skywalkers, M&D, etc...)

no top divisions those are just names they gave each division top guns did not play the best .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

no top divisions those are just names they gave each division top guns did not play the best .

Top guns 2015 black did not play the best teams in the 2015 age group., period. They should challenge themselves at the next tournament!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

no top divisions those are just names they gave each division top guns did not play the best .

Top guns 2015 black did not play the best teams in the 2015 age group., period. They should challenge themselves at the next tournament!

I am sure the TG club appreciates your guidance and advise. I would put it back on you and advise you to challenge yourself and see if you can up your game and show some appreciation for the hard work these youngsters put in. BTW, the players don't care about the immature ramblings of many on here. Frankly it is obviously the empty and immature words of parents who never grew up. ALL these young ladies deserve a pat on the back for staying above the low level of sportsmanship shown on this site.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

no top divisions those are just names they gave each division top guns did not play the best .

Top guns 2015 black did not play the best teams in the 2015 age group., period. They should challenge themselves at the next tournament!

My daughter played at this event in the Champions division and I can tell you without a doubt some of the best teams in this age played in the champions division. The Elite division was defiantly a "B" division, extreme a "C" div etc... Not to take anything away from T.G. 2015 black, congrats on winning your division you all worked very hard

Why would they put themselves in the B division , did teams actually have to rank their levels or were the divisions you were in just luck of the draw. It seems different travel clubs have different philosophies from what I can tell . TG at least on the younger ends seem to try to build confidence so sometimes play weaker tournaments and or divisions, rarely playing up in age while I have seen their counterpart overdue it ,playing too far up in age throwing the better younger teams into the fire . Not sure which is the better way to go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would they put themselves in the B division , did teams actually have to rank their levels or were the divisions you were in just luck of the draw. It seems different travel clubs have different philosophies from what I can tell . TG at least on the younger ends seem to try to build confidence so sometimes play weaker tournaments and or divisions, rarely playing up in age while I have seen their counterpart overdue it ,playing too far up in age throwing the better younger teams into the fire . Not sure which is the better way to go.

TG 2015 black is continually trying to compare themselves to the top YJ teams.... B division is not how you show that you can run with the big dogs!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would they put themselves in the B division , did teams actually have to rank their levels or were the divisions you were in just luck of the draw. It seems different travel clubs have different philosophies from what I can tell . TG at least on the younger ends seem to try to build confidence so sometimes play weaker tournaments and or divisions, rarely playing up in age while I have seen their counterpart overdue it ,playing too far up in age throwing the better younger teams into the fire . Not sure which is the better way to go.

There is zero confusion here, the Elite division was absolutely the "B" division as compared to the Champions division. It wasn't random at all - teams decided where they wanted to be placed, but who cares? Congrats to Top Guns for winning, either way.

Sorry but winning the B division with their top level team and then wanting to be compared to other top programs is sad. I noticed their 2016 team also played B level , I have unfortunately had to hear several of their parents talking this week and gloating over winning the tournament and how great the competition was , seems they forgot to mention the B level thing. If the teams actually got to pick the level then that says more about their actual ability then winning the tournament.

Anyone else notice it seems to be all YJ people on here making noise?

why did the schedule change for National Draw this weekend? At first YJ 2016 Blue (or not so blue) was going to play the 2016 Top Guns Black now for some unknown reason they are not playing each other anymore. Maybe YJ pulled some strings and they feel they have a better chance of making it out of the bracket if they dont play each other and rely on goals against instead of playing them and possibly suffering a loss.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

no top divisions those are just names they gave each division top guns did not play the best .

Top guns 2015 black did not play the best teams in the 2015 age group., period. They should challenge themselves at the next tournament!

I am sure the TG club appreciates your guidance and advise. I would put it back on you and advise you to challenge yourself and see if you can up your game and show some appreciation for the hard work these youngsters put in. BTW, the players don't care about the immature ramblings of many on here. Frankly it is obviously the empty and immature words of parents who never grew up. ALL these young ladies deserve a pat on the back for staying above the low level of sportsmanship shown on this site.

Sure, pat the backs of the girls who lost 18-1 and 16-3.... keep up the hard work in the "B" division...I'm sure all the "mature, grown up" TG parents were whooping it up on the sidelines for those games!!! You are right, the kids don't know the difference, you, the TG parents and the administrators should know better than to have the team play in a division like that... Challenge yourselves, lose a close game...it's better for your daughter's developments...you are too blind to see that apparently!

How about congratulations girls, you worked hard!! What is wrong with people? The only people I see comparing is the YJ parents. A win is a win is a win!! Stop living through your kids and get a life!

YJ has much better things to do with their time!

Good luck girls this weekend! Many will be playing against friends!! It's nice to know at least the girls will remain friends regardless of who wins/loses...it's all about lacrosse!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why did the schedule change for National Draw this weekend? At first YJ 2016 Blue (or not so blue) was going to play the 2016 Top Guns Black now for some unknown reason they are not playing each other anymore. Maybe YJ pulled some strings and they feel they have a better chance of making it out of the bracket if they dont play each other and rely on goals against instead of playing them and possibly suffering a loss.

Could be , or maybe your coach called and advised them you are really a B division team and it would not be fair to play against an A level team, who knows, the only facts I know for sure are that when possible you guys play B division, but at least you beat that tuff bear team by a goal in the semis ,the funny thing is you guys are actually good enough to compete in the A division but your coach does not think so.

"a win is a win is a win" are you serious? Do you not want to challenge your athletes to be the best they can be? Let me guess, the parent that wrote that little ditty does a lot of fist pumping when his daughter scores the 16th goal in a 17 to 2 blow out of a b level team. Good for you. I hope your daughter scores a lot of goals on J.V. as an 11th grader.

"A win is a win is a win" What the heck are you talking about?
You are embarassing yourself and our club.

to the "a win is a win is a win" parent. I hear the north fork 2nd grade team is looking for some good competition, you should give them a call.

What I saw in the championship level games were girls at the 2013 group with signed bands on their arms. Ok, a team with 22 girls with early signed bands on their arms playing against girls with no girls with early commit bands. Of course alot of the games were not equal.

However keeping in mind what the focus is at the rising junior/senior year means, the college coach seating areas were packed with coaches. So somebody is watching. I watched some of the non TG, Liberty, YJ, Maryland/Virginia games. VERY few coaches watching. Most of the non East coast games were low level HS games at best.

Winning games means nothing when your in your final years.
My view is be grateful we can produce teams and girls with talent that in the "college recruiting world" we have coaches sitting watching our girls games. Whether Liberty, Top Guns, Yellow Jackets, Wave, etc. Who really cares. If the goal for your daughter is to play beyond HS and enjoys it, scholarship or no scholarship why bicker about it?

If your child ever ends up in "that division" do I feel bad for her. The message should be about working hard and playing your best no matter what division you are playing. Some girls will play higher than others, isn't that why there is Division I, Division II and Division III? Does it lessen the competitiveness in each division if you play lower than DI. Absolutely not! Get off your high horses and start sending the right message to your children. Parents are by far worse than the kids playing. I don't believe their conservations begin with Hi.... I played in "A"bracket where did you play?..Take a lesson from your kids, chill out and just watch some good competitive lacrosse. Give it up already it is getting boring!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone else notice it seems to be all YJ people on here making noise?

So funny you people are so obsessed with YJ , while I was watching one of your games last week in pa your parents were on the sideline comparing their team to YJ. Of course in their minds your TG team would destroy the same age YJ team , all the while playing in the B division. Too funny

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJ has much better things to do with their time!

Like spending their time on the TG thread worrying about what brackets they are playing in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone else notice it seems to be all YJ people on here making noise?

So funny you people are so obsessed with YJ , while I was watching one of your games last week in pa your parents were on the sideline comparing their team to YJ. Of course in their minds your TG team would destroy the same age YJ team , all the while playing in the B division. Too funny

Who is obsessed here? Is it not you and all the yj parents on here commenting? Look in the mirror!

Maybe I can sum this up? A couple of weeks ago Aa Top Gun parent posted

"After seeing a couple of practices I can confidently say TG is going to take over the girls lax world this summer."

some would say that was a taunt to other clubs, lets be honest ,we all look at the other clubs threads. In my opinion it was a direct taunt to the Y.J. , but even if it wasn't it set up the club for situations like this.

A win is a win , but a quality loss is better than a cheep win.

Maybe the directors signed up late and couldn't get into the Champions division but I think we all know thats not true, the T.G. brass put them in that division to assure a win. It seems to me the only people that truly care about wins and losses is Top Guns, followed in a close second by the Yellow Jackets who went to Best Of the Beach and played in there "A" division and won the tourney against who? The team that beat them the week before, the team that beat that team, and the team that won that tourney were all in the PA. "A" division. Another assured tourney championship to post on the web site.

SHAME ON BOTH CLUBS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe I can sum this up? A couple of weeks ago Aa Top Gun parent posted

"After seeing a couple of practices I can confidently say TG is going to take over the girls lax world this summer."

some would say that was a taunt to other clubs, lets be honest ,we all look at the other clubs threads. In my opinion it was a direct taunt to the Y.J. , but even if it wasn't it set up the club for situations like this.

A win is a win , but a quality loss is better than a cheep win.

Maybe the directors signed up late and couldn't get into the Champions division but I think we all know thats not true, the T.G. brass put them in that division to assure a win. It seems to me the only people that truly care about wins and losses is Top Guns, followed in a close second by the Yellow Jackets who went to Best Of the Beach and played in there "A" division and won the tourney against who? The team that beat them the week before, the team that beat that team, and the team that won that tourney were all in the PA. "A" division. Another assured tourney championship to post on the web site.

SHAME ON BOTH CLUBS

Sorry I apologize it was the Lax By the Sea

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your child ever ends up in "that division" do I feel bad for her. The message should be about working hard and playing your best no matter what division you are playing. Some girls will play higher than others, isn't that why there is Division I, Division II and Division III? Does it lessen the competitiveness in each division if you play lower than DI. Absolutely not! Get off your high horses and start sending the right message to your children. Parents are by far worse than the kids playing. I don't believe their conservations begin with Hi.... I played in "A"bracket where did you play?..Take a lesson from your kids, chill out and just watch some good competitive lacrosse. Give it up already it is getting boring!!!

18-1 and 16-3 is good, competitive lacrosse??? Why don't you ask the parents/kids on the team you were playing what they think!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why did the schedule change for National Draw this weekend? At first YJ 2016 Blue (or not so blue) was going to play the 2016 Top Guns Black now for some unknown reason they are not playing each other anymore. Maybe YJ pulled some strings and they feel they have a better chance of making it out of the bracket if they dont play each other and rely on goals against instead of playing them and possibly suffering a loss.

Could be , or maybe your coach called and advised them you are really a B division team and it would not be fair to play against an A level team, who knows, the only facts I know for sure are that when possible you guys play B division, but at least you beat that tuff bear team by a goal in the semis ,the funny thing is you guys are actually good enough to compete in the A division but your coach does not think so.

That Bear lax club is pretty good.... tall, fast California athletes,.. They are a team to be watched out for And BTW they would've beat a lot of the teams that took the field this weekend at national draw

that team is so good they put themselves in the B division with your TG team, seems strange that you want to claim to be one of the top travel programs around in such a short period of time then place yourselves in the B division. Just curious why the B division

I can't answer that as I was not consulted, maybe the tournament should consider revising the bracket names Champion , Elite, Extreme, you tell me which is which based on the names

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can't answer that as I was not consulted, maybe the tournament should consider revising the bracket names Champion , Elite, Extreme, you tell me which is which based on the names

Your Kidding , This is the biggest case of denial I have ever seen. First , All the best travel clubs on the east coast were in the champions division , Second every tournament list the divisions from top to bottom, A,B,C,. Third ,if you read the tourney web site it tells you that the club directors decide what bracket a team will be in according to skill level. fourth, all you had to do was go the the tourney directors tent that day and they would have told you Champions = A, Elite =B etc....

How are teams assigned to brackets? Does the tournament staff base it on past records? Does the club make the request? A combination of both?

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

How are teams assigned to brackets? Does the tournament staff base it on past records? Does the club make the request? A combination of both?

The word from National Draw officals regarding scheduling was caused by CR new color system; pairings speak for themselves. Younger Blue teams usually get knocked off and rightfully so by the M&D's and TG's 18's.Littlers only one 18 Blue and one 19 Blue both put in opposite divisions and could only match up in finals. Same in Varsity 13 Blue and 14 Blue could only match up in finals. Now look in Risers and JV where there are (2) 2016 Blue and (2) 2017 Blue same goes for (2) 2015 Blue all were placed in the same bracket. Why? Let them knock each other out early!!! Didn't happen to ant other club that clearly distinguishes top team in each age group. Littlers and Varsity with "old" Blue/Gold distinction got seperated and Risers and JV new Blue/Blue Gold/Gold distinction didin't. Keep playing games CR with your club, you made it easier for the rest of us. TG closed the gap very quickly won't be long now before you get passed up.

Keep dreaming!! There was no confusion. The only dazed and confused person was mr top gun himself!! BS looked dazed and confused fighting with everyone all weekend. Get a grip on yourself.

To all TG parents from a TG parent. Could you please stop talking about the YJ and CR for one minute. You make us look like a bunch of complainers. If you're happy like I am, don't worry about them. Cheer on our girls and our program. Stop talking about the Yellow Jackets!!!

I 100 percent agree with this post, stop taking about CR and YJ program. Go support your daughters, play lacrosse, the rest will all play out. It's just a game and it sounds petty . Let them do the complaining take the high road

You guys complain about CR but I've never seen her act like Daddy S did this weekend. Your club should be embarrassed

Yeah she is just sneaky and does things behind the scenes, At least he is open and stands up for what he believes, so who is the embarrassment? I think you have that one wrong again.

No camparison he is a complete joke!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No camparison he is a complete joke!

Dean Vernon Wormer:Fat,Drunk and stupid is know way to go through life son!

Why don't you learn how to spell comparison first, now who is the embarrassed one

The Top Guns aren't sneaky? They held a full tryout, collected $35 from a bunch of girls and afterwards we heard they only had room for one 'new' player. The rest didn't make it, which was fine even though they were all quality players. They said they only were having one team for the age group... OK with that.

BUT THEN...they add a second (B) Purple team to the same age group. But instead of asking the kids who tried out the first time to start the new team, or have a second tryout, they hand picked a 2nd team from hometown West Babylon players and friends with the WB varsity coach as the coach. Does this seem fair to anyone else?

The TG parents should also let their kids know that most of their coaches are former Yellow Jackets and that's part of the reason they became the players they are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Top Guns aren't sneaky? They held a full tryout, collected $35 from a bunch of girls and afterwards we heard they only had room for one 'new' player. The rest didn't make it, which was fine even though they were all quality players. They said they only were having one team for the age group... OK with that.

BUT THEN...they add a second (B) Purple team to the same age group. But instead of asking the kids who tried out the first time to start the new team, or have a second tryout, they hand picked a 2nd team from hometown West Babylon players and friends with the WB varsity coach as the coach. Does this seem fair to anyone else?

The TG parents should also let their kids know that most of their coaches are former Yellow Jackets and that's part of the reason they became the players they are.

My daughter is a 2015 player that tried out for Top Guns. She is a very good player, better than the girls that are on the top guns black team in the same position. A few months after try outs at a high school practice an older T.G. player that is close to the smith family told her that she had no chance of making that squad because the roster was already in place weeks before. I don't mind a team that secures spots for girls, most teams do. I do mind taking money from families in a bad economy that have no chance of making the team thats just dishonest. Quite frankly the team isn't that good , and she is quite happy where she is/was and wouldn't have played for them anyway. If they want to be like the Wave than just say so and stop taking peoples hard earned money and post on the site that the squad is set unless someone drops out. I also have to disagree with the statement that the the coaches that were Y.J's got to there level because of the Y.J's. They got there through hard work and practice. not because of the jersey on there back 2 months a year. Anyway good luck to you beating up B level talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Top Guns aren't sneaky? They held a full tryout, collected $35 from a bunch of girls and afterwards we heard they only had room for one 'new' player. The rest didn't make it, which was fine even though they were all quality players. They said they only were having one team for the age group... OK with that.

BUT THEN...they add a second (B) Purple team to the same age group. But instead of asking the kids who tried out the first time to start the new team, or have a second tryout, they hand picked a 2nd team from hometown West Babylon players and friends with the WB varsity coach as the coach. Does this seem fair to anyone else?

The TG parents should also let their kids know that most of their coaches are former Yellow Jackets and that's part of the reason they became the players they are.

My daughter is a 2015 player that tried out for Top Guns. She is a very good player, better than the girls that are on the top guns black team in the same position. A few months after try outs at a high school practice an older T.G. player that is close to the smith family told her that she had no chance of making that squad because the roster was already in place weeks before. I don't mind a team that secures spots for girls, most teams do. I do mind taking money from families in a bad economy that have no chance of making the team thats just dishonest. Quite frankly the team isn't that good , and she is quite happy where she is/was and wouldn't have played for them anyway. If they want to be like the Wave than just say so and stop taking peoples hard earned money and post on the site that the squad is set unless someone drops out. I also have to disagree with the statement that the the coaches that were Y.J's got to there level because of the Y.J's. They got there through hard work and practice. not because of the jersey on there back 2 months a year. Anyway good luck to you beating up B level talent.

I also have a daughter who attended the 2015 tryout. It was a joke! This discussion took place right after. If you go back you can read about the tryouts.

Let me ask a question if you think they are "not that good" 2015 team, which of course they are, why did you try out in the first place? In this poor economy, that seems silly to try out for a team your not even interested in!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me ask a question if you think they are "not that good" 2015 team, which of course they are, why did you try out in the first place? In this poor economy, that seems silly to try out for a team your not even interested in!

You seem to be very short sighted, I have been very fortunate in this latest economy, but many others have not. To hold a "try out" and collect money from people knowing that your team is set is just dishonest. Like another poster said if your looking only to replace a middie and an attacker, then post that so every one knows and goalies and defenders don't waste there money. As far as 2015 black not being that good , obviously you coaches and directors don't think so either placing them in "B" divisions and going to week tournys. And maybe you have the gift of foresight , but I didn't know back in september that that team would be so week. good luck beating up on 91 white and fl$ , I would say we'll see you on the field but we play in the top divisions so the it is very unlikely.

All these travel programs pretty much treat the tryouts the same. There obviously is a team intact and every team is looking to upgrade the backend. If your daughter is a standout talent, she would be offered a spot on the team (any team). If the talent is close even in your daughters favor, no position will be made for her. Go back to the threads during all the different clubs tryouts and all you hear is everbody crying foul and politics and on and on........

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Top Guns aren't sneaky? They held a full tryout, collected $35 from a bunch of girls and afterwards we heard they only had room for one 'new' player. The rest didn't make it, which was fine even though they were all quality players. They said they only were having one team for the age group... OK with that.

BUT THEN...they add a second (B) Purple team to the same age group. But instead of asking the kids who tried out the first time to start the new team, or have a second tryout, they hand picked a 2nd team from hometown West Babylon players and friends with the WB varsity coach as the coach. Does this seem fair to anyone else?

The TG parents should also let their kids know that most of their coaches are former Yellow Jackets and that's part of the reason they became the players they are.

My daughter is a 2015 player that tried out for Top Guns. She is a very good player, better than the girls that are on the top guns black team in the same position. A few months after try outs at a high school practice an older T.G. player that is close to the smith family told her that she had no chance of making that squad because the roster was already in place weeks before. I don't mind a team that secures spots for girls, most teams do. I do mind taking money from families in a bad economy that have no chance of making the team thats just dishonest. Quite frankly the team isn't that good , and she is quite happy where she is/was and wouldn't have played for them anyway. If they want to be like the Wave than just say so and stop taking peoples hard earned money and post on the site that the squad is set unless someone drops out. I also have to disagree with the statement that the the coaches that were Y.J's got to there level because of the Y.J's. They got there through hard work and practice. not because of the jersey on there back 2 months a year. Anyway good luck to you beating up B level talent.

Let's see if we all understand...
1- The team is not that good.
2- Your superstar wasn't going to play even is selected post tryout.
3- it's a tough economy.

These are your words right?

Then why try out? Why spend your hard earned money in this tough economy? Why try out for a team that is not that good?

Just trying to understand your point that's all. Would you rather all the clubs have free tryouts so folks like you (who have no intention of playing anyway...your words) can waste everyone's time?
Just wondering...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Top Guns aren't sneaky? They held a full tryout, collected $35 from a bunch of girls and afterwards we heard they only had room for one 'new' player. The rest didn't make it, which was fine even though they were all quality players. They said they only were having one team for the age group... OK with that.

BUT THEN...they add a second (B) Purple team to the same age group. But instead of asking the kids who tried out the first time to start the new team, or have a second tryout, they hand picked a 2nd team from hometown West Babylon players and friends with the WB varsity coach as the coach. Does this seem fair to anyone else?

The TG parents should also let their kids know that most of their coaches are former Yellow Jackets and that's part of the reason they became the players they are.

My daughter is a 2015 player that tried out for Top Guns. She is a very good player, better than the girls that are on the top guns black team in the same position. A few months after try outs at a high school practice an older T.G. player that is close to the smith family told her that she had no chance of making that squad because the roster was already in place weeks before. I don't mind a team that secures spots for girls, most teams do. I do mind taking money from families in a bad economy that have no chance of making the team thats just dishonest. Quite frankly the team isn't that good , and she is quite happy where she is/was and wouldn't have played for them anyway. If they want to be like the Wave than just say so and stop taking peoples hard earned money and post on the site that the squad is set unless someone drops out. I also have to disagree with the statement that the the coaches that were Y.J's got to there level because of the Y.J's. They got there through hard work and practice. not because of the jersey on there back 2 months a year. Anyway good luck to you beating up B level talent.

Let's see if we all understand...
1- The team is not that good.
2- Your superstar wasn't going to play even is selected post tryout.
3- it's a tough economy.

These are your words right?

Then why try out? Why spend your hard earned money in this tough economy? Why try out for a team that is not that good?

Just trying to understand your point that's all. Would you rather all the clubs have free tryouts so folks like you (who have no intention of playing anyway...your words) can waste everyone's time?
Just wondering...

Your talking about wasting peoples time? Your daughter must be one of those scary talents tearing up the "B" division on 2015 black, you know the ones I'm talking about , the ones that knew pre try out that there spot was secure. It seems you should be thanking me for supplementing your scary talented team. Lets just say that curiosity got the best of my daughter and she wanted to see if the grass was greener. It took her less than a minuet after try outs to tell me 2 things. 1 these girls, with a few exceptions, are not as good as her previous years team. 2 the roster was all ready set, it was that obvious to anyone that knows the game. so it seems that the only people that wasted other peoples time was Shannon Smith, and Steve levy. And lastly you must be a house frau if you don't know that it's a bad economy. No offense, I'm just trying to understand how some one doesn't understand that.

What the h___ are you talking about. My daughter is on the 2015 team. New players were added to both the Black and the Purple teams (and not from WB). That means your daughter must really be bad if she didn't make either of the squads. Please get your info correct before you babble on and spread rumors that are not just true.

And by the way, the winner of the 2015 bracket at the National Draw came from the "D" division. Shows you what the meaning of the order of divisions were-NOTHING

Um sorry you are so short sighted and still didn't answer the question, why did you tryout if you didn't want to play on the team?? Obviously you must have thought they were good to tryout and guess what ? We have never played 91 or fl$ so get your facts straight .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And by the way, the winner of the 2015 bracket at the National Draw came from the "D" division. Shows you what the meaning of the order of divisions were-NOTHING

Your either not that bright or in complete denial

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Top Guns aren't sneaky? They held a full tryout, collected $35 from a bunch of girls and afterwards we heard they only had room for one 'new' player. The rest didn't make it, which was fine even though they were all quality players. They said they only were having one team for the age group... OK with that.

BUT THEN...they add a second (B) Purple team to the same age group. But instead of asking the kids who tried out the first time to start the new team, or have a second tryout, they hand picked a 2nd team from hometown West Babylon players and friends with the WB varsity coach as the coach. Does this seem fair to anyone else?

The TG parents should also let their kids know that most of their coaches are former Yellow Jackets and that's part of the reason they became the players they are.

My daughter is a 2015 player that tried out for Top Guns. She is a very good player, better than the girls that are on the top guns black team in the same position. A few months after try outs at a high school practice an older T.G. player that is close to the smith family told her that she had no chance of making that squad because the roster was already in place weeks before. I don't mind a team that secures spots for girls, most teams do. I do mind taking money from families in a bad economy that have no chance of making the team thats just dishonest. Quite frankly the team isn't that good , and she is quite happy where she is/was and wouldn't have played for them anyway. If they want to be like the Wave than just say so and stop taking peoples hard earned money and post on the site that the squad is set unless someone drops out. I also have to disagree with the statement that the the coaches that were Y.J's got to there level because of the Y.J's. They got there through hard work and practice. not because of the jersey on there back 2 months a year. Anyway good luck to you beating up B level talent.

Let's see if we all understand...
1- The team is not that good.
2- Your superstar wasn't going to play even is selected post tryout.
3- it's a tough economy.

These are your words right?

Then why try out? Why spend your hard earned money in this tough economy? Why try out for a team that is not that good?

Just trying to understand your point that's all. Would you rather all the clubs have free tryouts so folks like you (who have no intention of playing anyway...your words) can waste everyone's time?
Just wondering...

Your talking about wasting peoples time? Your daughter must be one of those scary talents tearing up the "B" division on 2015 black, you know the ones I'm talking about , the ones that knew pre try out that there spot was secure. It seems you should be thanking me for supplementing your scary talented team. Lets just say that curiosity got the best of my daughter and she wanted to see if the grass was greener. It took her less than a minuet after try outs to tell me 2 things. 1 these girls, with a few exceptions, are not as good as her previous years team. 2 the roster was all ready set, it was that obvious to anyone that knows the game. so it seems that the only people that wasted other peoples time was Shannon Smith, and Steve levy. And lastly you must be a house frau if you don't know that it's a bad economy. No offense, I'm just trying to understand how some one doesn't understand that.

All the other clubs all have free tryouts and just dump players for other marginal players? I thought all the sour, rejected hurt feelings would have faded by now, and that goes for all the LI clubs tryouts. There are plenty of walk on teams out there, TG Blk and YJ Blue are not them! There were many YJ players at TG tryouts last year, I think most were non blue players hoping to make black and were mad when they didn't make the black, you know, looking for greener grass. Whatever, practice hard, try again for black or blue. I see YJ tryouts being an advantage as players who make less than blue have little other option than to play on another color.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Um sorry you are so short sighted and still didn't answer the question, why did you tryout if you didn't want to play on the team?? Obviously you must have thought they were good to tryout and guess what ? We have never played 91 or fl$ so get your facts straight .

you are truly an arrogant simpleminded person. If you would have calmed down enough to comprehend the posts I mad you would have read that my daughter had heard that T.G was a decent team so she went to try outs as did many Y.J. 91 and express girls did , you are the new kids on the block so people were interested in seeing what you were about. You seem t think that all these girls were cut, closer to the truth is that Shannon and Steve all ready had the rosters set, including who would be dropped to purple , and who would take there place on black. the try out was a sham. Unfortunately most parents weren't in on the ruse , or I'm sure they , like me , would not have wasted our time . I know many girls on both 2014 teams , and both 2015 teams, some are very good , and some are not. I assume your daughter was one of the greased in players and that why your so offended. As to the poster that wrote post # 14195, if there are teams that have free try outs for the "marginal players" as you put it, I wouldn't know . My daughter went to 2 try outs your sham , and the team shes on. As far as MD playing in a "D" bracket, that tournament was set up differently than the IWLCA in PA. . that was set up for "A" teams to play "A" team , and "B" teams to play "B" teams. thats why in PA. there were multiple champions per age group, and at national draw there was only 1 over all champion. Now take your meds, and learn the difference.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Top Guns aren't sneaky? They held a full tryout, collected $35 from a bunch of girls and afterwards we heard they only had room for one 'new' player. The rest didn't make it, which was fine even though they were all quality players. They said they only were having one team for the age group... OK with that.

BUT THEN...they add a second (B) Purple team to the same age group. But instead of asking the kids who tried out the first time to start the new team, or have a second tryout, they hand picked a 2nd team from hometown West Babylon players and friends with the WB varsity coach as the coach. Does this seem fair to anyone else?

The TG parents should also let their kids know that most of their coaches are former Yellow Jackets and that's part of the reason they became the players they are.

My daughter is a 2015 player that tried out for Top Guns. She is a very good player, better than the girls that are on the top guns black team in the same position. A few months after try outs at a high school practice an older T.G. player that is close to the smith family told her that she had no chance of making that squad because the roster was already in place weeks before. I don't mind a team that secures spots for girls, most teams do. I do mind taking money from families in a bad economy that have no chance of making the team thats just dishonest. Quite frankly the team isn't that good , and she is quite happy where she is/was and wouldn't have played for them anyway. If they want to be like the Wave than just say so and stop taking peoples hard earned money and post on the site that the squad is set unless someone drops out. I also have to disagree with the statement that the the coaches that were Y.J's got to there level because of the Y.J's. They got there through hard work and practice. not because of the jersey on there back 2 months a year. Anyway good luck to you beating up B level talent.

Let's see if we all understand...
1- The team is not that good.
2- Your superstar wasn't going to play even is selected post tryout.
3- it's a tough economy.

These are your words right?

Then why try out? Why spend your hard earned money in this tough economy? Why try out for a team that is not that good?

Just trying to understand your point that's all. Would you rather all the clubs have free tryouts so folks like you (who have no intention of playing anyway...your words) can waste everyone's time?
Just wondering...

Your talking about wasting peoples time? Your daughter must be one of those scary talents tearing up the "B" division on 2015 black, you know the ones I'm talking about , the ones that knew pre try out that there spot was secure. It seems you should be thanking me for supplementing your scary talented team. Lets just say that curiosity got the best of my daughter and she wanted to see if the grass was greener. It took her less than a minuet after try outs to tell me 2 things. 1 these girls, with a few exceptions, are not as good as her previous years team. 2 the roster was all ready set, it was that obvious to anyone that knows the game. so it seems that the only people that wasted other peoples time was Shannon Smith, and Steve levy. And lastly you must be a house frau if you don't know that it's a bad economy. No offense, I'm just trying to understand how some one doesn't understand that.

First I do take offense you brainless waste of space. I started asking some pointed questions and you respond with name calling so right back at you. Second it seems you must be one of those weak wussies who was stuffed into one too many lockers in your life causing you to fight your battles on a computer instead of in person. Third, keep your daughter and yourself on your current team because stinking, gutless piles of weakling are not welcome elsewhere. Does that level of communication work for you? If not possibly we will meet some day and it can be explained better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And by the way, the winner of the 2015 bracket at the National Draw came from the "D" division. Shows you what the meaning of the order of divisions were-NOTHING

He is talking about the tournament in new jersey, where top guns specifically entered into the B division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Um sorry you are so short sighted and still didn't answer the question, why did you tryout if you didn't want to play on the team?? Obviously you must have thought they were good to tryout and guess what ? We have never played 91 or fl$ so get your facts straight .

you are truly an arrogant simpleminded person. If you would have calmed down enough to comprehend the posts I mad you would have read that my daughter had heard that T.G was a decent team so she went to try outs as did many Y.J. 91 and express girls did , you are the new kids on the block so people were interested in seeing what you were about. You seem t think that all these girls were cut, closer to the truth is that Shannon and Steve all ready had the rosters set, including who would be dropped to purple , and who would take there place on black. the try out was a sham. Unfortunately most parents weren't in on the ruse , or I'm sure they , like me , would not have wasted our time . I know many girls on both 2014 teams , and both 2015 teams, some are very good , and some are not. I assume your daughter was one of the greased in players and that why your so offended. As to the poster that wrote post # 14195, if there are teams that have free try outs for the "marginal players" as you put it, I wouldn't know . My daughter went to 2 try outs your sham , and the team shes on. As far as MD playing in a "D" bracket, that tournament was set up differently than the IWLCA in PA. . that was set up for "A" teams to play "A" team , and "B" teams to play "B" teams. thats why in PA. there were multiple champions per age group, and at national draw there was only 1 over all champion. Now take your meds, and learn the difference.

Who cares...your past posts prove you are a clueless, nonsensical loser. Lets not pay attention to annoying fleas like this. Go back to your own teams site...probably booted off by your own team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Um sorry you are so short sighted and still didn't answer the question, why did you tryout if you didn't want to play on the team?? Obviously you must have thought they were good to tryout and guess what ? We have never played 91 or fl$ so get your facts straight .

you are truly an arrogant simpleminded person. If you would have calmed down enough to comprehend the posts I mad you would have read that my daughter had heard that T.G was a decent team so she went to try outs as did many Y.J. 91 and express girls did , you are the new kids on the block so people were interested in seeing what you were about. You seem t think that all these girls were cut, closer to the truth is that Shannon and Steve all ready had the rosters set, including who would be dropped to purple , and who would take there place on black. the try out was a sham. Unfortunately most parents weren't in on the ruse , or I'm sure they , like me , would not have wasted our time . I know many girls on both 2014 teams , and both 2015 teams, some are very good , and some are not. I assume your daughter was one of the greased in players and that why your so offended. As to the poster that wrote post # 14195, if there are teams that have free try outs for the "marginal players" as you put it, I wouldn't know . My daughter went to 2 try outs your sham , and the team shes on. As far as MD playing in a "D" bracket, that tournament was set up differently than the IWLCA in PA. . that was set up for "A" teams to play "A" team , and "B" teams to play "B" teams. thats why in PA. there were multiple champions per age group, and at national draw there was only 1 over all champion. Now take your meds, and learn the difference.

Who cares...your past posts prove you are a clueless, nonsensical loser. Lets not pay attention to annoying fleas like this. Go back to your own teams site...probably booted off by your own team.

All you people do is deny the truth. You are a "B" level club at best. No I was never shoved in a locker, Yes I did play the game in high school as well as college. My daughter plays on a team where try outs mean you have to play well or your cut, you don't get on this team because daddys the coach, or because your a friend of daddys little girl. I would love to meet you on the field when our daughters play , but your team is not good enough to compete against my daughters team . See you in Virginia, I'll bring the towel for you to cry into.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would love to meet you on the field when our daughters play , but your team is not good enough to compete against my daughters team . See you in Virginia, I'll bring the towel for you to cry into.

So what team is your daughter on? Enlighten us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Um sorry you are so short sighted and still didn't answer the question, why did you tryout if you didn't want to play on the team?? Obviously you must have thought they were good to tryout and guess what ? We have never played 91 or fl$ so get your facts straight .

you are truly an arrogant simpleminded person. If you would have calmed down enough to comprehend the posts I mad you would have read that my daughter had heard that T.G was a decent team so she went to try outs as did many Y.J. 91 and express girls did , you are the new kids on the block so people were interested in seeing what you were about. You seem t think that all these girls were cut, closer to the truth is that Shannon and Steve all ready had the rosters set, including who would be dropped to purple , and who would take there place on black. the try out was a sham. Unfortunately most parents weren't in on the ruse , or I'm sure they , like me , would not have wasted our time . I know many girls on both 2014 teams , and both 2015 teams, some are very good , and some are not. I assume your daughter was one of the greased in players and that why your so offended. As to the poster that wrote post # 14195, if there are teams that have free try outs for the "marginal players" as you put it, I wouldn't know . My daughter went to 2 try outs your sham , and the team shes on. As far as MD playing in a "D" bracket, that tournament was set up differently than the IWLCA in PA. . that was set up for "A" teams to play "A" team , and "B" teams to play "B" teams. thats why in PA. there were multiple champions per age group, and at national draw there was only 1 over all champion. Now take your meds, and learn the difference.

Who cares...your past posts prove you are a clueless, nonsensical loser. Lets not pay attention to annoying fleas like this. Go back to your own teams site...probably booted off by your own team.

All you people do is deny the truth. You are a "B" level club at best. No I was never shoved in a locker, Yes I did play the game in high school as well as college. My daughter plays on a team where try outs mean you have to play well or your cut, you don't get on this team because daddys the coach, or because your a friend of daddys little girl. I would love to meet you on the field when our daughters play , but your team is not good enough to compete against my daughters team . See you in Virginia, I'll bring the towel for you to cry into.

You played with yourself that's about it....Richard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Um sorry you are so short sighted and still didn't answer the question, why did you tryout if you didn't want to play on the team?? Obviously you must have thought they were good to tryout and guess what ? We have never played 91 or fl$ so get your facts straight .

you are truly an arrogant simpleminded person. If you would have calmed down enough to comprehend the posts I mad you would have read that my daughter had heard that T.G was a decent team so she went to try outs as did many Y.J. 91 and express girls did , you are the new kids on the block so people were interested in seeing what you were about. You seem t think that all these girls were cut, closer to the truth is that Shannon and Steve all ready had the rosters set, including who would be dropped to purple , and who would take there place on black. the try out was a sham. Unfortunately most parents weren't in on the ruse , or I'm sure they , like me , would not have wasted our time . I know many girls on both 2014 teams , and both 2015 teams, some are very good , and some are not. I assume your daughter was one of the greased in players and that why your so offended. As to the poster that wrote post # 14195, if there are teams that have free try outs for the "marginal players" as you put it, I wouldn't know . My daughter went to 2 try outs your sham , and the team shes on. As far as MD playing in a "D" bracket, that tournament was set up differently than the IWLCA in PA. . that was set up for "A" teams to play "A" team , and "B" teams to play "B" teams. thats why in PA. there were multiple champions per age group, and at national draw there was only 1 over all champion. Now take your meds, and learn the difference.

Who cares...your past posts prove you are a clueless, nonsensical loser. Lets not pay attention to annoying fleas like this. Go back to your own teams site...probably booted off by your own team.

All you people do is deny the truth. You are a "B" level club at best. No I was never shoved in a locker, Yes I did play the game in high school as well as college. My daughter plays on a team where try outs mean you have to play well or your cut, you don't get on this team because daddys the coach, or because your a friend of daddys little girl. I would love to meet you on the field when our daughters play , but your team is not good enough to compete against my daughters team . See you in Virginia, I'll bring the towel for you to cry into.

Diamondbacks hat

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Um sorry you are so short sighted and still didn't answer the question, why did you tryout if you didn't want to play on the team?? Obviously you must have thought they were good to tryout and guess what ? We have never played 91 or fl$ so get your facts straight .

you are truly an arrogant simpleminded person. If you would have calmed down enough to comprehend the posts I mad you would have read that my daughter had heard that T.G was a decent team so she went to try outs as did many Y.J. 91 and express girls did , you are the new kids on the block so people were interested in seeing what you were about. You seem t think that all these girls were cut, closer to the truth is that Shannon and Steve all ready had the rosters set, including who would be dropped to purple , and who would take there place on black. the try out was a sham. Unfortunately most parents weren't in on the ruse , or I'm sure they , like me , would not have wasted our time . I know many girls on both 2014 teams , and both 2015 teams, some are very good , and some are not. I assume your daughter was one of the greased in players and that why your so offended. As to the poster that wrote post # 14195, if there are teams that have free try outs for the "marginal players" as you put it, I wouldn't know . My daughter went to 2 try outs your sham , and the team shes on. As far as MD playing in a "D" bracket, that tournament was set up differently than the IWLCA in PA. . that was set up for "A" teams to play "A" team , and "B" teams to play "B" teams. thats why in PA. there were multiple champions per age group, and at national draw there was only 1 over all champion. Now take your meds, and learn the difference.

Who cares...your past posts prove you are a clueless, nonsensical loser. Lets not pay attention to annoying fleas like this. Go back to your own teams site...probably booted off by your own team.

All you people do is deny the truth. You are a "B" level club at best. No I was never shoved in a locker, Yes I did play the game in high school as well as college. My daughter plays on a team where try outs mean you have to play well or your cut, you don't get on this team because daddys the coach, or because your a friend of daddys little girl. I would love to meet you on the field when our daughters play , but your team is not good enough to compete against my daughters team . See you in Virginia, I'll bring the towel for you to cry into.

I don't cry over youth lacrosse so give the towel to your wife to cry on. She has to tolerate you in real life. Hahaha you loser.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Um sorry you are so short sighted and still didn't answer the question, why did you tryout if you didn't want to play on the team?? Obviously you must have thought they were good to tryout and guess what ? We have never played 91 or fl$ so get your facts straight .

you are truly an arrogant simpleminded person. If you would have calmed down enough to comprehend the posts I mad you would have read that my daughter had heard that T.G was a decent team so she went to try outs as did many Y.J. 91 and express girls did , you are the new kids on the block so people were interested in seeing what you were about. You seem t think that all these girls were cut, closer to the truth is that Shannon and Steve all ready had the rosters set, including who would be dropped to purple , and who would take there place on black. the try out was a sham. Unfortunately most parents weren't in on the ruse , or I'm sure they , like me , would not have wasted our time . I know many girls on both 2014 teams , and both 2015 teams, some are very good , and some are not. I assume your daughter was one of the greased in players and that why your so offended. As to the poster that wrote post # 14195, if there are teams that have free try outs for the "marginal players" as you put it, I wouldn't know . My daughter went to 2 try outs your sham , and the team shes on. As far as MD playing in a "D" bracket, that tournament was set up differently than the IWLCA in PA. . that was set up for "A" teams to play "A" team , and "B" teams to play "B" teams. thats why in PA. there were multiple champions per age group, and at national draw there was only 1 over all champion. Now take your meds, and learn the difference.

Who cares...your past posts prove you are a clueless, nonsensical loser. Lets not pay attention to annoying fleas like this. Go back to your own teams site...probably booted off by your own team.

All you people do is deny the truth. You are a "B" level club at best. No I was never shoved in a locker, Yes I did play the game in high school as well as college. My daughter plays on a team where try outs mean you have to play well or your cut, you don't get on this team because daddys the coach, or because your a friend of daddys little girl. I would love to meet you on the field when our daughters play , but your team is not good enough to compete against my daughters team . See you in Virginia, I'll bring the towel for you to cry into.

thanks for letting us all know that you were never shoved into a locker, and that you played lacrosse in high school and college. perhaps you can enlighten us as to the relevance of this?

Your information on this subject shows your small thinking and once again no knowledge. My daughter is on the team and guess what they did take more than one new player and no idiot they are not from west Babylon and guess what they have nice quality parents. Unlike you who I'm sure would cause a problem. We don't do that in our group so stay where you are .

Still why is it that your teams pick to play in the less competitive divisions when possible. I will be the first to admit that your club has grown faster then most expected but your teams need to place themselves into the A divisions if you want to keep comparing yourselves to the other top programs.It also seems politics plays a large factor on the make-up of many of your teams which is unfortunate because with the club being so new it really could have set you apart from the other organizations

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still why is it that your teams pick to play in the less competitive divisions when possible. I will be the first to admit that your club has grown faster then most expected but your teams need to place themselves into the A divisions if you want to keep comparing yourselves to the other top programs.It also seems politics plays a large factor on the make-up of many of your teams which is unfortunate because with the club being so new it really could have set you apart from the other organizations

I am a YJ parent and who cares were they play! Give them a few years and they will probably be just as big as YJ- people want a variety of clubs to play for. Parents of any team can talk smack- let the kids play on the field and the scores will speak for themselves

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And by the way, the winner of the 2015 bracket at the National Draw came from the "D" division. Shows you what the meaning of the order of divisions were-NOTHING

He is talking about the tournament in new jersey, where top guns specifically entered into the B division. You really need to get a clue on how the brackets work, you will NEVER see the 4-6 best teams at any tournament in the same bracket, they are mixed throughout the various brackets in the hopes that the best teams will eventually meet in the playoffs, otherwise those 15-1 games that you moan about will be in the playoffs instead of in bracket play. if you still don't understand the concept perhaps you should speak with your coach or one of the directors of your club annd maybe they can educate you a little - stop embarrassing yourself with this non-sense

My daughter is a 2017 player, considering trying out for Top Guns in August. Can some of you existing TG parents offer your feedback on the program? I've heard some parents are unhappy about 5 away tournaments, and having to wait for coaches to finish up at Northwestern. Haven't really heard any other negatives. I hear the coaches are great, when they're actually there. Any other pros/cons?

Wow, if that isnt backhanded what is.

I have not forrayed the girls travel landscape as I have a few years, but really, if you wanted to get a realistic comment from a parent on the team, I am not sure if that is the best Post to do so.

Talk about blending the pot. I think these girls travels are far worse than the boys!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, if that isnt backhanded what is.

I have not forrayed the girls travel landscape as I have a few years, but really, if you wanted to get a realistic comment from a parent on the team, I am not sure if that is the best Post to do so.

Talk about blending the pot. I think these girls travels are far worse than the boys!!!

What are you talking about? I'm just looking for an opinion, based on their experience with the program...not sure what you're saying...

Those really are the complaints that I've heard...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, if that isnt backhanded what is.

I have not forrayed the girls travel landscape as I have a few years, but really, if you wanted to get a realistic comment from a parent on the team, I am not sure if that is the best Post to do so.

Talk about blending the pot. I think these girls travels are far worse than the boys!!!

That made no sense at all, so I will try to answer for you. The problem with the North Western girls basically ended this year because Shannon graduated this year, and from what I understand , shes going to go to Hofstra to finish her degree, so she will be around all the time. I am a parent from a rival club, so all I know is what I have heard and experienced from going to there try outs, and is solely my opinion. My daughter is a top tier player playing on a top clubs "A" team and on a varsity high school team so I have been doing this for a long time and will try to be honest. T.G. is an up and coming club that stands to get much better in a hurry now with Shannon being home full time. They are less aggressive than Y.J, but more so than Liberty. Being a girls only club your daughter will be the most important thing unlike 91 or Express. They are kind of cliquy and seem to hold on to players that have close ties to cretin people involved with the club even though better players show up to try outs. They have made changes this year dropping some girls to lower teams, and taking on new girls (Powderfinger calm down I said I would try to be fair and your daughter deserves to be one of those girls,) but it is rare that a girl with no ties gets accepted, no matter how good she is, at least in the higher grades. Your daughter being young will fare well if she gets in now.

What?? Looks like they just want some feedback from TG parents, in addition to what they've already heard...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, if that isnt backhanded what is.

I have not forrayed the girls travel landscape as I have a few years, but really, if you wanted to get a realistic comment from a parent on the team, I am not sure if that is the best Post to do so.

Talk about blending the pot. I think these girls travels are far worse than the boys!!!

That made no sense at all, so I will try to answer for you. The problem with the North Western girls basically ended this year because Shannon graduated this year, and from what I understand , shes going to go to Hofstra to finish her degree, so she will be around all the time. I am a parent from a rival club, so all I know is what I have heard and experienced from going to there try outs, and is solely my opinion. My daughter is a top tier player playing on a top clubs "A" team and on a varsity high school team so I have been doing this for a long time and will try to be honest. T.G. is an up and coming club that stands to get much better in a hurry now with Shannon being home full time. They are less aggressive than Y.J, but more so than Liberty. Being a girls only club your daughter will be the most important thing unlike 91 or Express. They are kind of cliquy and seem to hold on to players that have close ties to cretin people involved with the club even though better players show up to try outs. They have made changes this year dropping some girls to lower teams, and taking on new girls (Powderfinger calm down I said I would try to be fair and your daughter deserves to be one of those girls,) but it is rare that a girl with no ties gets accepted, no matter how good she is, at least in the higher grades. Your daughter being young will fare well if she gets in now.

Thanks for your opinion, which seems very honest, and well thought out, from someone who's been involved in travel for a while. I'm hoping to also hear from some TG parents themselves, but your answer was also very helpful. At the very least, I think we'll tryout for the TG 2017. Good luck with your daughter going forward.

I, and my daughter, are very happy at TG. As is documented elsewhere on this site, we were with /another club/ for a few years and it wasn't a good match. My personal opinion and experience is to steer yourselves toward clubs that coach girls primarily, not girls as a sideline to boys. IME, the girls are the [lacrosse] stepchildren in those clubs.

What I like about TG: that we do play a lot of tournaments. If you want to be seen you have to be out there. I don't think the tournament schedule is excessive, it's what I expect. YMMV depending on your goals, finances, family situation.

We are very happy with coaching. My kid is getting some great coaching this year, way more so than in HS and in prior club experience. Very happy with quality of other players. Very happy with club culture and other parents.

The thing is every age group is diffierent within clubs, so what's great in one year might not be the same as another year. It's really tough to shop around because there are tryout fees and the timing of tryouts/commitments expected. I asked around and I got lucky finding a match. So that's my advice, talk to people in your daughter's age group. Wander around at tournaments, everyone at tournaments is happy to answer questions so just go and schmooze and see what you find out.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

I, and my daughter, are very happy at TG. As is documented elsewhere on this site, we were with /another club/ for a few years and it wasn't a good match. My personal opinion and experience is to steer yourselves toward clubs that coach girls primarily, not girls as a sideline to boys. IME, the girls are the [lacrosse] stepchildren in those clubs.

What I like about TG: that we do play a lot of tournaments. If you want to be seen you have to be out there. I don't think the tournament schedule is excessive, it's what I expect. YMMV depending on your goals, finances, family situation.

We are very happy with coaching. My kid is getting some great coaching this year, way more so than in HS and in prior club experience. Very happy with quality of other players. Very happy with club culture and other parents.

The thing is every age group is diffierent within clubs, so what's great in one year might not be the same as another year. It's really tough to shop around because there are tryout fees and the timing of tryouts/commitments expected. I asked around and I got lucky finding a match. So that's my advice, talk to people in your daughter's age group. Wander around at tournaments, everyone at tournaments is happy to answer questions so just go and schmooze and see what you find out.

Are you from RP? Just wondering.

Great, informative post! Hopefully, someone from TG 2017 will also chime in. Thank you very much Powder!

My daughter tried out for 3 travel programs on the island. She made the top teams on all three, with a lot of research we chose the top guns. It was the best decision we could have made. Her coaches are great, Shannon is awesome with all the girls, the organization in general is good. Like i said this is are first year with the top guns, and so far it has been a great summer for mr daughter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter tried out for 3 travel programs on the island. She made the top teams on all three, with a lot of research we chose the top guns. It was the best decision we could have made. Her coaches are great, Shannon is awesome with all the girls, the organization in general is good. Like i said this is are first year with the top guns, and so far it has been a great summer for mr daughter.

Thanks for the great feedback! What year is your daughter graduating?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, if that isnt backhanded what is.

I have not forrayed the girls travel landscape as I have a few years, but really, if you wanted to get a realistic comment from a parent on the team, I am not sure if that is the best Post to do so.

Talk about blending the pot. I think these girls travels are far worse than the boys!!!

That made no sense at all, so I will try to answer for you. The problem with the North Western girls basically ended this year because Shannon graduated this year, and from what I understand , shes going to go to Hofstra to finish her degree, so she will be around all the time. I am a parent from a rival club, so all I know is what I have heard and experienced from going to there try outs, and is solely my opinion. My daughter is a top tier player playing on a top clubs "A" team and on a varsity high school team so I have been doing this for a long time and will try to be honest. T.G. is an up and coming club that stands to get much better in a hurry now with Shannon being home full time. They are less aggressive than Y.J, but more so than Liberty. Being a girls only club your daughter will be the most important thing unlike 91 or Express. They are kind of cliquy and seem to hold on to players that have close ties to cretin people involved with the club even though better players show up to try outs. They have made changes this year dropping some girls to lower teams, and taking on new girls (Powderfinger calm down I said I would try to be fair and your daughter deserves to be one of those girls,) but it is rare that a girl with no ties gets accepted, no matter how good she is, at least in the higher grades. Your daughter being young will fare well if she gets in now.

Playing Varsity does not mean your daughter is a good player. It is relevant. Where do you live?

Cliquey is putting it mildly. At tryouts girls are instructed to only pass to each other and some stood on the sidline and never went into the game.

They did drop some to lower teams, to the surprise to many parents who were told otherwise.

All of these organizations have politics, TG included, it's no better and no worse, it is about who you know!

It is true that getting in younger will help, but this is true for all clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, if that isnt backhanded what is.

I have not forrayed the girls travel landscape as I have a few years, but really, if you wanted to get a realistic comment from a parent on the team, I am not sure if that is the best Post to do so.

Talk about blending the pot. I think these girls travels are far worse than the boys!!!

That made no sense at all, so I will try to answer for you. The problem with the North Western girls basically ended this year because Shannon graduated this year, and from what I understand , shes going to go to Hofstra to finish her degree, so she will be around all the time. I am a parent from a rival club, so all I know is what I have heard and experienced from going to there try outs, and is solely my opinion. My daughter is a top tier player playing on a top clubs "A" team and on a varsity high school team so I have been doing this for a long time and will try to be honest. T.G. is an up and coming club that stands to get much better in a hurry now with Shannon being home full time. They are less aggressive than Y.J, but more so than Liberty. Being a girls only club your daughter will be the most important thing unlike 91 or Express. They are kind of cliquy and seem to hold on to players that have close ties to cretin people involved with the club even though better players show up to try outs. They have made changes this year dropping some girls to lower teams, and taking on new girls (Powderfinger calm down I said I would try to be fair and your daughter deserves to be one of those girls,) but it is rare that a girl with no ties gets accepted, no matter how good she is, at least in the higher grades. Your daughter being young will fare well if she gets in now.

Thanks for your opinion, which seems very honest, and well thought out, from someone who's been involved in travel for a while. I'm hoping to also hear from some TG parents themselves, but your answer was also very helpful. At the very least, I think we'll tryout for the TG 2017. Good luck with your daughter going forward.

I am glad to help. I wish your daughter well. It's A good group over at TG

I agree, Top Guns is the eay to go. The pros are they only take 2 teams per age group which allows the coaches and players to become more intimate. They hold tryouts every year and unlike other clubs will gently eliminate those who have not improved in order to raise the level of play. That's what premier lax is supposed to be, dedication, committment and hard work.

The coaches are wonderful, and while it is true some don't get to all the prctices and games due to college/education issues you will no doubt see a qualified coach on the sideline at every game/practice. I also think it's wonderful that Bill Smith takes the time to get to know the players and families. He has personally helped my daughter gain confidence and raised a terrific young lady in Shannon.

The only con is that the uniforms could use some upgrading, my daughter has been through quite a few pinnies and shorts over the past few years and there is better quality out there.

Good luck to all!

The real way to go is YJ no children coaching children

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The real way to go is YJ no children coaching children

Your defintion of children is way off-base.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The real way to go is YJ no children coaching children

Your defintion of children is way off-base.

Cage sage I think it's a play on words- of you were at national draw and you saw the behavior you may agree

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The real way to go is YJ no children coaching children

Much better having daddies coaching that fair for everyone

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The real way to go is YJ no children coaching children

Yes, it's much better having the majority of your teams coached by player parents! Please!

HMMM...Are you those RP parents who suck up to all the coaches ? Then when you have no use for them , close the door move on ? Whos the flavor of this year going to be???
Careful who you [lacrosse] off..your kids need to finish school with friends..
Sad part is everyone clear as day see this..
Your the only one who would write this stuff..
You know who you are !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

I, and my daughter, are very happy at TG. As is documented elsewhere on this site, we were with /another club/ for a few years and it wasn't a good match. My personal opinion and experience is to steer yourselves toward clubs that coach girls primarily, not girls as a sideline to boys. IME, the girls are the [lacrosse] stepchildren in those clubs.

What I like about TG: that we do play a lot of tournaments. If you want to be seen you have to be out there. I don't think the tournament schedule is excessive, it's what I expect. YMMV depending on your goals, finances, family situation.

We are very happy with coaching. My kid is getting some great coaching this year, way more so than in HS and in prior club experience. Very happy with quality of other players. Very happy with club culture and other parents.

The thing is every age group is diffierent within clubs, so what's great in one year might not be the same as another year. It's really tough to shop around because there are tryout fees and the timing of tryouts/commitments expected. I asked around and I got lucky finding a match. So that's my advice, talk to people in your daughter's age group. Wander around at tournaments, everyone at tournaments is happy to answer questions so just go and schmooze and see what you find out.

Are you from RP? Just wondering.

My experience with TG has been pretty good. The coaching has been great and we get along with the other parents. My daughter is having a great time and playing some pretty good lacrosse. Some parents can be a little overboard. But then again this happens on every team...not just YJ. But alot more seem under control than others. The only down side I see is on the purple teams. We have friends with daughters on a purple team and they are not nearly as satisfied. The coaching has been suspect (when its there) and they seemed to take any girls as long as they could field a team. This may not be the same in other age groups...just theirs'. But then again, alot of programs put most of their effort into their top team. Overall, we like the program and hope to be back next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My experience with TG has been pretty good. The coaching has been great and we get along with the other parents. My daughter is having a great time and playing some pretty good lacrosse. Some parents can be a little overboard. But then again this happens on every team...not just YJ. But alot more seem under control than others. The only down side I see is on the purple teams. We have friends with daughters on a purple team and they are not nearly as satisfied. The coaching has been suspect (when its there) and they seemed to take any girls as long as they could field a team. This may not be the same in other age groups...just theirs'. But then again, alot of programs put most of their effort into their top team. Overall, we like the program and hope to be back next year.

Thanks for your feedback! Which age group is your daughter in?

My daughter plays TG and is on the younger side ,the parents are pretty funny in that they all seem to think their child is a future D1 player and have heard them say they could be the best team in the country for their age. I have seen the attitude many times usually from parents with their oldest child but not on such a team wide attitude.They are actually hoping to play the TG team a year older believing they would dismantle them,Other then those attitudes ,coaching is good, kids are nice, too many non competitive tourneys,

The creator of Top Guns was a yellow jacket, JUST SAYING.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The creator of Top Guns was a yellow jacket, JUST SAYING.

I think that's a good thing for Top Guns. Bring some of the knowledge and strong points from YJ to TG.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The creator of Top Guns was a yellow jacket, JUST SAYING.

That's called evolution. Some day an incredibly accomplished TG player will start her own club program to compete with all the others. Just hope Shannon and all the TG parents would handle it better than CR and the Bee people.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The creator of Top Guns was a yellow jacket, JUST SAYING.

I think that's a good thing for Top Guns. Bring some of the knowledge and strong points from YJ to TG.

You mean eliminating the bad points and dishonesty of the Yellow Jackets and bringing them to the Top Guns.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

I, and my daughter, are very happy at TG. As is documented elsewhere on this site, we were with /another club/ for a few years and it wasn't a good match. My personal opinion and experience is to steer yourselves toward clubs that coach girls primarily, not girls as a sideline to boys. IME, the girls are the [lacrosse] stepchildren in those clubs.

What I like about TG: that we do play a lot of tournaments. If you want to be seen you have to be out there. I don't think the tournament schedule is excessive, it's what I expect. YMMV depending on your goals, finances, family situation.

We are very happy with coaching. My kid is getting some great coaching this year, way more so than in HS and in prior club experience. Very happy with quality of other players. Very happy with club culture and other parents.

The thing is every age group is diffierent within clubs, so what's great in one year might not be the same as another year. It's really tough to shop around because there are tryout fees and the timing of tryouts/commitments expected. I asked around and I got lucky finding a match. So that's my advice, talk to people in your daughter's age group. Wander around at tournaments, everyone at tournaments is happy to answer questions so just go and schmooze and see what you find out.

Have you or others participated in TG Camps??? was wondering about quality? Good for older kids (HS) or more geared for youth????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The creator of Top Guns was a yellow jacket, JUST SAYING.

And she refuses to coach for them JUST SAYING

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The creator of Top Guns was a yellow jacket, JUST SAYING.

And she refuses to coach for them JUST SAYING

What are you saying? She DID coach for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The creator of Top Guns was a yellow jacket, JUST SAYING.

And she refuses to coach for them JUST SAYING

She did coach for them then decided she could make a lot of money doing it.Just Saying

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The creator of Top Guns was a yellow jacket, JUST SAYING.

I think that's a good thing for Top Guns. Bring some of the knowledge and strong points from YJ to TG.

You mean eliminating the bad points and dishonesty of the Yellow Jackets and bringing them to the Top Guns.

Agree 100 percent by leaving the YJ she eliminated many of the bad points and dishonesty within the YJ organization and brought them to TG.The good news now you have many of the bad points such as too many kids on a team, politics with team selection, being more interested in making money then good lacrosse players, coaches setting bad examples for their players without the good points like producing an incredible amount of successful collegiate players, an incredible lacrosse history of success, multiple national championships, college contacts too numerous to count,etc.

Don't think they need her anyway just sayin!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The creator of Top Guns was a yellow jacket, JUST SAYING.

I think that's a good thing for Top Guns. Bring some of the knowledge and strong points from YJ to TG.

You mean eliminating the bad points and dishonesty of the Yellow Jackets and bringing them to the Top Guns.

Agree 100 percent by leaving the YJ she eliminated many of the bad points and dishonesty within the YJ organization and brought them to TG.The good news now you have many of the bad points such as too many kids on a team, politics with team selection, being more interested in making money then good lacrosse players, coaches setting bad examples for their players without the good points like producing an incredible amount of successful collegiate players, an incredible lacrosse history of success, multiple national championships, college contacts too numerous to count,etc.

And numerous broken bones, bruises from stick butts , and thousands of cheap shots. No wonder she left, why tarnish her good name by associating herself with a club that is one step above a street gang. She can build any rep she wants, and hundreds of coaches will listen to the best woman's player in the last 10 years

Oh so where is your 2013 commit list with all your wonderful contacts.

why would so many coaches listen to the so called best women's player in the past 10 years who has no coaching or talent evaluation experience. Not trying to start trouble actually just curious, I am sure after she produces a few successful D1 players they may start to listen, but as of now her coaching ability and talent evaluation abilities are still in question.Seems funny that one of her teammates and trusted coaches has a younger sister still playing in the YJ organization if they believed what you are saying but then again you seem to be a bit dramatic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why would so many coaches listen to the so called best women's player in the past 10 years who has no coaching or talent evaluation experience. Not trying to start trouble actually just curious, I am sure after she produces a few successful D1 players they may start to listen, but as of now her coaching ability and talent evaluation abilities are still in question.Seems funny that one of her teammates and trusted coaches has a younger sister still playing in the YJ organization if they believed what you are saying but then again you seem to be a bit dramatic.

Relax - Name recognition got her a following and she went for the ever flowing cash! when the next great one comes along they will do exactly the same thing. Parents cant pay their mortgage but they can pay for big time lacrosse! Let me know how that big D3 scholarship works out...not

Relax - Name recognition got her a following and she went for the ever flowing cash! when the next great one comes along they will do exactly the same thing. Parents cant pay their mortgage but they can pay for big time lacrosse! Let me know how that big D3 scholarship works out...not
Let me know how your kids future burger flipping occupation works out for her.

WOW ...and i bet your 9 year old daughter signed for northwestern already... you people gotta get a grip.. get off the ban wagon and have the girls play lacrosse and train to be their best without parents being such ignorent a-holes.. No matter what program they belong to..no less at a young age let them be! years ago colleges didnt rely on "Travel Teams" it was school ball.. And i will put money on it you as a parent never even knew what LACROSSE was until your daughter came home from school and asked for a stick...remember that !!!.. unfortunate that every program out there now takes advantage of utilizing the "Stick with me i will put gold teeth in that mouth"... and you dumb asses buy into it..they profit.. and by pot luck your daughter gets a look...but not at 8 or 9 years old.. no less 12 or 13 years old... keep bickering about who's the best and evolving your life decisions around lacrosse to the point your paycheck goes straight to little annies LAX fund. and you will find in the end you and thousands of other families filled the pockets of some very smart buissiness go getters.. and your hopes and dreams made that possible , with them holding a BAG full of cash !!!

Take a step back and re-evaluate your life if you get to the point that you truly believe your Daughter is set for life ! once you sign onto a travel program that a d1 player started , or a bicycle peddling highly connected woman who has been around since girls lax started !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Relax - Name recognition got her a following and she went for the ever flowing cash! when the next great one comes along they will do exactly the same thing. Parents cant pay their mortgage but they can pay for big time lacrosse! Let me know how that big D3 scholarship works out...not
Let me know how your kids future burger flipping occupation works out for her.

Originally Posted by YOUR A FOOL

WOW ...and i bet your 9 year old daughter signed for northwestern already... you people gotta get a grip.. get off the ban wagon and have the girls play lacrosse and train to be their best without parents being such ignorent a-holes.. No matter what program they belong to..no less at a young age let them be! years ago colleges didnt rely on "Travel Teams" it was school ball.. And i will put money on it you as a parent never even knew what LACROSSE was until your daughter came home from school and asked for a stick...remember that !!!.. unfortunate that every program out there now takes advantage of utilizing the "Stick with me i will put gold teeth in that mouth"... and you dumb asses buy into it..they profit.. and by pot luck your daughter gets a look...but not at 8 or 9 years old.. no less 12 or 13 years old... keep bickering about who's the best and evolving your life decisions around lacrosse to the point your paycheck goes straight to little annies LAX fund. and you will find in the end you and thousands of other families filled the pockets of some very smart buissiness go getters.. and your hopes and dreams made that possible , with them holding a BAG full of cash !!!

Take a step back and re-evaluate your life if you get to the point that you truly believe your Daughter is set for life ! once you sign onto a travel program that a d1 player started , or a bicycle peddling highly connected woman who has been around since girls lax started !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Relax - Name recognition got her a following and she went for the ever flowing cash! when the next great one comes along they will do exactly the same thing. Parents cant pay their mortgage but they can pay for big time lacrosse! Let me know how that big D3 scholarship works out...not
Let me know how your kids future burger flipping occupation works out for her.

My daughter LIKES the game, I pay all this money because i LOVE the game. My only concern is will I be embarrassed when she doesnt get the big scholarship because she is a miiddle of the pack player who's mom and dad can afford to write the checks needed to keep her involved. Because truth be told, its more about parents then kids

THIS IS SO TRUE !
GREAT RESPONSE , AND REALITY CHECK....

Originally Posted by YOUR A FOOL

WOW ...and i bet your 9 year old daughter signed for northwestern already... you people gotta get a grip.. get off the ban wagon and have the girls play lacrosse and train to be their best without parents being such ignorent a-holes.. No matter what program they belong to..no less at a young age let them be! years ago colleges didnt rely on "Travel Teams" it was school ball.. And i will put money on it you as a parent never even knew what LACROSSE was until your daughter came home from school and asked for a stick...remember that !!!.. unfortunate that every program out there now takes advantage of utilizing the "Stick with me i will put gold teeth in that mouth"... and you dumb asses buy into it..they profit.. and by pot luck your daughter gets a look...but not at 8 or 9 years old.. no less 12 or 13 years old... keep bickering about who's the best and evolving your life decisions around lacrosse to the point your paycheck goes straight to little annies LAX fund. and you will find in the end you and thousands of other families filled the pockets of some very smart buissiness go getters.. and your hopes and dreams made that possible , with them holding a BAG full of cash !!!

Take a step back and re-evaluate your life if you get to the point that you truly believe your Daughter is set for life ! once you sign onto a travel program that a d1 player started , or a bicycle peddling highly connected woman who has been around since girls lax started !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Relax - Name recognition got her a following and she went for the ever flowing cash! when the next great one comes along they will do exactly the same thing. Parents cant pay their mortgage but they can pay for big time lacrosse! Let me know how that big D3 scholarship works out...not
Let me know how your kids future burger flipping occupation works out for her.

May i add that i know people who specifically move to other school districts because there program is better then there current..To me that is ridiculous to base your life off of girls lacrosse , to pick up and move, lose money on your home , and hope they Gel in the new enviorment.. The girls LAX virus just seems to take over the mind...
With the money lost in this they could have paid the tuition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

THIS IS SO TRUE !
GREAT RESPONSE , AND REALITY CHECK....

Originally Posted by YOUR A FOOL

WOW ...and i bet your 9 year old daughter signed for northwestern already... you people gotta get a grip.. get off the ban wagon and have the girls play lacrosse and train to be their best without parents being such ignorent a-holes.. No matter what program they belong to..no less at a young age let them be! years ago colleges didnt rely on "Travel Teams" it was school ball.. And i will put money on it you as a parent never even knew what LACROSSE was until your daughter came home from school and asked for a stick...remember that !!!.. unfortunate that every program out there now takes advantage of utilizing the "Stick with me i will put gold teeth in that mouth"... and you dumb asses buy into it..they profit.. and by pot luck your daughter gets a look...but not at 8 or 9 years old.. no less 12 or 13 years old... keep bickering about who's the best and evolving your life decisions around lacrosse to the point your paycheck goes straight to little annies LAX fund. and you will find in the end you and thousands of other families filled the pockets of some very smart buissiness go getters.. and your hopes and dreams made that possible , with them holding a BAG full of cash !!!

Take a step back and re-evaluate your life if you get to the point that you truly believe your Daughter is set for life ! once you sign onto a travel program that a d1 player started , or a bicycle peddling highly connected woman who has been around since girls lax started !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Relax - Name recognition got her a following and she went for the ever flowing cash! when the next great one comes along they will do exactly the same thing. Parents cant pay their mortgage but they can pay for big time lacrosse! Let me know how that big D3 scholarship works out...not
Let me know how your kids future burger flipping occupation works out for her.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why would so many coaches listen to the so called best women's player in the past 10 years who has no coaching or talent evaluation experience. Not trying to start trouble actually just curious, I am sure after she produces a few successful D1 players they may start to listen, but as of now her coaching ability and talent evaluation abilities are still in question.Seems funny that one of her teammates and trusted coaches has a younger sister still playing in the YJ organization if they believed what you are saying but then again you seem to be a bit dramatic.

Hannah Nielsen was the best player over the last ten years hands down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why would so many coaches listen to the so called best women's player in the past 10 years who has no coaching or talent evaluation experience. Not trying to start trouble actually just curious, I am sure after she produces a few successful D1 players they may start to listen, but as of now her coaching ability and talent evaluation abilities are still in question.Seems funny that one of her teammates and trusted coaches has a younger sister still playing in the YJ organization if they believed what you are saying but then again you seem to be a bit dramatic.

Hannah Nielsen was the best player over the last ten years hands down.

CANT BE, she didnt come from Long Island or TG or YJ's. The best players in the world come from LI because we pay the most money so it has to be true.

Hannah came from Australia

Please do not include any other group other than TG who believe SS was best player in past 10 years,

She was not even deemed best player this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

She was not even deemed best player this year?

I guess you did'nt see her put her team on her back and carry them to the Championship... The "best" player went home on friday after NW beat them

Originally Posted by Anonymous

She was not even deemed best player this year?

I guess you did'nt see her put her team on her back and carry them to the Championship... The "best" player went home on friday after NW beat them

Yes she put the team on her back and carried the rest of a weak team to the championship, she was incredible in goal, and on defense,while playing middie she not only controlled every draw but was the only effective person clearing the ball.Give it a rest and settle for one of the best players in the last ten years and do not sell her teammates and her coach short.

All you people have nothing better to do than trash talking and analyzing things to death. Just do what's best for your kid and call it day. Keep your negative opinions to yourself. SS didn't claim to be the best player in the past 10 years. However, give her some credit...Tewaaraton Award, Honda Sports Award, Suzy Favor Big Ten Female Athlete of the Year, WomensLax.com Player of the Year, IWLCA Attacker of the Year, MVP of National Championship and ALC Championship, and she was also a finalist for the Sportswoman of the Year. Also, do your math. The Smiths are not getting rich off TG. Their business allows those involved to do what they love. Lastly, don't come down on people because they can afford to give their kids every opportunity to pursue something that they enjoy. Learning to master something (anything!) whether it earns one a scholarship or not will carryover to other aspects of one's life.

Congratulations to the 2019 black team for your play at the club nationals. You guys played great only to have the refs steal the championship from you.We put it on the line each weekend playing against not only the best competition in the 2019 age group but also the 2018 age group. Keep up the hard work , we know that on a level laying field there are no other 2019 teams that compare anywhere in the country.

hear ye, hear ye..... I now proclaim the 2019 Topguns best lacrosse team ever!!!!!!

Congratulations to 2019 team. However, please don't lessen the tournament with your snide remarks about reffing. I was always taught if you were that great, you would never be in a close game to begin with no matter what the calls are. Just sit back and enjoy the game, the girls are very talented, but have a long, long way to go. Lose the bitterness it is not attractive

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations to the 2019 black team for your play at the club nationals. You guys played great only to have the refs steal the championship from you.We put it on the line each weekend playing against not only the best competition in the 2019 age group but also the 2018 age group. Keep up the hard work , we know that on a level laying field there are no other 2019 teams that compare anywhere in the country.

Whether they are the best 2019 team or not, please don't blame the refs for a loss.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations to the 2019 black team for your play at the club nationals. You guys played great only to have the refs steal the championship from you.We put it on the line each weekend playing against not only the best competition in the 2019 age group but also the 2018 age group. Keep up the hard work , we know that on a level laying field there are no other 2019 teams that compare anywhere in the country.

This my frieinds is exactly what is wrong with youth Lacrosse! It is funny that someone thinks anyone cares!

I hear that top guns players won the five finger discount award at that tournament, nice job way to represent long island and your club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hear ye, hear ye..... I now proclaim the 2019 Topguns best lacrosse team ever!!!!!!

Keep dreaming!!!! You have not played 2019 YJ yet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hear ye, hear ye..... I now proclaim the 2019 Topguns best lacrosse team ever!!!!!!

Keep dreaming!!!! You have not played 2019 YJ yet

Nice try ,but there is no way a YJ 2019 parent would write this, must have been a TG parent who realizes the other TG parents boasting at this age group is ridiculous .Must say have watched this 2019 group play and have played against them, very good team, top 2 players carry the team, have 1 kid who scored all but 1 of their goals against us and when their top two are off the field not nearly as good.The parents are a very confident and proud group which I guess is a good thing if in moderation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hear ye, hear ye..... I now proclaim the 2019 Topguns best lacrosse team ever!!!!!!

Keep dreaming!!!! You have not played 2019 YJ yet

I have noticed that Yellow Jackets are the fastest to tell other club members to stay on there own thread , but are probably the fastest to post in this thread. So lets take a page from your own rule book, Go back to your own thread and don't worry about what is said on this thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hear ye, hear ye..... I now proclaim the 2019 Topguns best lacrosse team ever!!!!!!

Keep dreaming!!!! You have not played 2019 YJ yet

That's becausr CR is doing everything in her power to avoid TG teams, look at the All-Star Express brackets - six YJ teams in 2019 bracket, but they woiuld rather play 3 games against other YJ teams then play TG - nothing more to say.

i am a proud tg parent but i will remain anonymous because of possib ramifications.my question is will the 2019 team stay intact for next year or will the girls who are 2020 go to the 2020 team? i think they should go to the 2020 team because that would be their correct age. i have a feeling this will not be the case. i am new to travel lacrosse so maybe this is common practice for the other tg teams.can other 2020 girls try out for the 2019 team? if not why not? i do know that one of the girls on the team that scores a lot is 2020 so i assume that she will stay. do other clubs pull up good players toolder teams? or is more she who goes up to an older team has certain inside connections?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hear ye, hear ye..... I now proclaim the 2019 Topguns best lacrosse team ever!!!!!!

Keep dreaming!!!! You have not played 2019 YJ yet

That's becausr CR is doing everything in her power to avoid TG teams, look at the All-Star Express brackets - six YJ teams in 2019 bracket, but they woiuld rather play 3 games against other YJ teams then play TG - nothing more to say.

How do you know it isn't the other way around? TG's overall record against YJ is not very good right now.

Nothing more to say except why would YJ want to play TG until they actually win a competitive tournament, prove themselves to produce quality D1 players,do something other then compare themselves to YJ. Ever heard the saying nothing to gain everything to lose ,the Yankees do not play amateurs .

I see that TG has posted tryouts for next year. Can someone sum up the records for the 2015 teams. Generally speaking how did they do at the touns this summer. Also wondering if they will play fall tournaments and with which team the current one or the new one. Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i am a proud tg parent but i will remain anonymous because of possib ramifications.my question is will the 2019 team stay intact for next year or will the girls who are 2020 go to the 2020 team? i think they should go to the 2020 team because that would be their correct age. i have a feeling this will not be the case. i am new to travel lacrosse so maybe this is common practice for the other tg teams.can other 2020 girls try out for the 2019 team? if not why not? i do know that one of the girls on the team that scores a lot is 2020 so i assume that she will stay. do other clubs pull up good players toolder teams? or is more she who goes up to an older team has certain inside connections?

I have a child who wants to try out for the 2019 team so any info would be appreciated from current members. Who is the coach? Will the team be mixed age or just 2019?Has there been Equal playing time?Does there seem to be a lot of politics with this team?How many kids do they take per team?Is there a lot of nonsense with picking of the teams such as private lessons with so and so gets you on a team? Do they treat the B teams as well as the A?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see that TG has posted tryouts for next year. Can someone sum up the records for the 2015 teams. Generally speaking how did they do at the touns this summer. Also wondering if they will play fall tournaments and with which team the current one or the new one. Thanks

15 Black has not won any tournaments. Purple started out slow did better. See how 15 Black does in Florida.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i am a proud tg parent but i will remain anonymous because of possib ramifications.my question is will the 2019 team stay intact for next year or will the girls who are 2020 go to the 2020 team? i think they should go to the 2020 team because that would be their correct age. i have a feeling this will not be the case. i am new to travel lacrosse so maybe this is common practice for the other tg teams.can other 2020 girls try out for the 2019 team? if not why not? i do know that one of the girls on the team that scores a lot is 2020 so i assume that she will stay. do other clubs pull up good players toolder teams? or is more she who goes up to an older team has certain inside connections?

I have a child who wants to try out for the 2019 team so any info would be appreciated from current members. Who is the coach? Will the team be mixed age or just 2019?Has there been Equal playing time?Does there seem to be a lot of politics with this team?How many kids do they take per team?Is there a lot of nonsense with picking of the teams such as private lessons with so and so gets you on a team? Do they treat the B teams as well as the A?

If you look back a bit you'll see that the answer varies. I can tell you that there were alot of upset parents when it came to the 2019 purple team. Many felt short changed this year. The black team got alot more attention. But then again, isn't that expected. Most clubs are going to give more attention to their top teams. As for politics...tell me a club where politics isn't an issue. This team has some 2020 girls. Some of which are good enough and some who clearly are not. But obviously they knew someone...or had a sister on another team. So the question you have to ask is...Is my daughter good enough to make the black team? And if she is, will it matter?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i am a proud tg parent but i will remain anonymous because of possib ramifications.my question is will the 2019 team stay intact for next year or will the girls who are 2020 go to the 2020 team? i think they should go to the 2020 team because that would be their correct age. i have a feeling this will not be the case. i am new to travel lacrosse so maybe this is common practice for the other tg teams.can other 2020 girls try out for the 2019 team? if not why not? i do know that one of the girls on the team that scores a lot is 2020 so i assume that she will stay. do other clubs pull up good players toolder teams? or is more she who goes up to an older team has certain inside connections?

I have a child who wants to try out for the 2019 team so any info would be appreciated from current members. Who is the coach? Will the team be mixed age or just 2019?Has there been Equal playing time?Does there seem to be a lot of politics with this team?How many kids do they take per team?Is there a lot of nonsense with picking of the teams such as private lessons with so and so gets you on a team? Do they treat the B teams as well as the A?

If you look back a bit you'll see that the answer varies. I can tell you that there were alot of upset parents when it came to the 2019 purple team. Many felt short changed this year. The black team got alot more attention. But then again, isn't that expected. Most clubs are going to give more attention to their top teams. As for politics...tell me a club where politics isn't an issue. This team has some 2020 girls. Some of which are good enough and some who clearly are not. But obviously they knew someone...or had a sister on another team. So the question you have to ask is...Is my daughter good enough to make the black team? And if she is, will it matter?

You are talking about kids who won't graduate HS for 7-8 yars....relax, be happy they are playing w/ their friends... 7-8 years from now, half the kids won't be playing and you will look back and be sad that you missed the enjoyment of watching them play by worrying about whom they play for!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nothing more to say except why would YJ want to play TG until they actually win a competitive tournament, prove themselves to produce quality D1 players,do something other then compare themselves to YJ. Ever heard the saying nothing to gain everything to lose ,the Yankees do not play amateurs .

Like the babylon lax blast? ultra competitive!

If this was a non for profit operation and I didn't pay anything then your. Point would be valid. But I will pay ove $1,000 a summer so it is a serious point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i am a proud tg parent but i will remain anonymous because of possib ramifications.my question is will the 2019 team stay intact for next year or will the girls who are 2020 go to the 2020 team? i think they should go to the 2020 team because that would be their correct age. i have a feeling this will not be the case. i am new to travel lacrosse so maybe this is common practice for the other tg teams.can other 2020 girls try out for the 2019 team? if not why not? i do know that one of the girls on the team that scores a lot is 2020 so i assume that she will stay. do other clubs pull up good players toolder teams? or is more she who goes up to an older team has certain inside connections?

I have a child who wants to try out for the 2019 team so any info would be appreciated from current members. Who is the coach? Will the team be mixed age or just 2019?Has there been Equal playing time?Does there seem to be a lot of politics with this team?How many kids do they take per team?Is there a lot of nonsense with picking of the teams such as private lessons with so and so gets you on a team? Do they treat the B teams as well as the A?

If you look back a bit you'll see that the answer varies. I can tell you that there were alot of upset parents when it came to the 2019 purple team. Many felt short changed this year. The black team got alot more attention. But then again, isn't that expected. Most clubs are going to give more attention to their top teams. As for politics...tell me a club where politics isn't an issue. This team has some 2020 girls. Some of which are good enough and some who clearly are not. But obviously they knew someone...or had a sister on another team. So the question you have to ask is...Is my daughter good enough to make the black team? And if she is, will it matter?

You are talking about kids who won't graduate HS for 7-8 yars....relax, be happy they are playing w/ their friends... 7-8 years from now, half the kids won't be playing and you will look back and be sad that you missed the enjoyment of watching them play by worrying about whom they play for!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hear ye, hear ye..... I now proclaim the 2019 Topguns best lacrosse team ever!!!!!!

Keep dreaming!!!! You have not played 2019 YJ yet

That's becausr CR is doing everything in her power to avoid TG teams, look at the All-Star Express brackets - six YJ teams in 2019 bracket, but they woiuld rather play 3 games against other YJ teams then play TG - nothing more to say.

Take a look at all the brackets 2019,2018,2017,2016 there are 8 TG teams not one is scheduled to play a YJ team??? how does that happen by chance??? There must be at least 10 YJ teams registered for this tournanment but no TG YJ matchups? on any level??

I'll make this easy--I am from 2016 YJ blue.--I talked to some of the players and they all agree. To 2016 tg--anytime, anywhere.--let's play. I don't say this in a rude way. I think it will be a good game and the girls should have a blast.
We could even do it as a fundraiser. Let the girls ability speak for its self. I would love to hear some predictions ...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hear ye, hear ye..... I now proclaim the 2019 Topguns best lacrosse team ever!!!!!!

Keep dreaming!!!! You have not played 2019 YJ yet

That's becausr CR is doing everything in her power to avoid TG teams, look at the All-Star Express brackets - six YJ teams in 2019 bracket, but they woiuld rather play 3 games against other YJ teams then play TG - nothing more to say.

Take a look at all the brackets 2019,2018,2017,2016 there are 8 TG teams not one is scheduled to play a YJ team??? how does that happen by chance??? There must be at least 10 YJ teams registered for this tournanment but no TG YJ matchups? on any level??

Plenty of YJ vs YJ games, that's a lot of fun to travel 3-4 hours to have one of your own teams beat up another!

Can anyone who has a daughter on the 2017 black or purple team, share any info about those teams? Considering having my daughter tryout, so any advice, or info, would be greatly appreciated!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll make this easy--I am from 2016 YJ blue.--I talked to some of the players and they all agree. To 2016 tg--anytime, anywhere.--let's play. I don't say this in a rude way. I think it will be a good game and the girls should have a blast.
We could even do it as a fundraiser. Let the girls ability speak for its self. I would love to hear some predictions ...

Excellent post - BOTC would be happy to organize this as a fundraiser which could be a sponsorship for the Lax4BackPax event.

no offense cage sage but I highly doubt that was a yj 2016 parent , plus which blue team ? Better game would be Cerasso blue vs. TG black, too bad they did not get to play at national draw and I would bet the coach would step up at a charity event

Originally Posted by Anonymous

no offense cage sage but I highly doubt that was a yj 2016 parent , plus which blue team ? Better game would be Cerasso blue vs. TG black, too bad they did not get to play at national draw and I would bet the coach would step up at a charity event

The Cerasos would get their team together to play in a fundraiser event any time. As we said, it would be a great event to break down walls and serve the community at large. We would be happy to provide the exposure and coverage.

In the same boat w 2018 - coming from YJ -anyone have any words of advice

was wondering if anyone out there has switcged from YJ to top guns - have a middle of road player -maybe smaller club 4 her
wouldd be better?

There are definitely a few YJ players who have jumped ship to TG none of which have been on YJ top team. Most have been on 2 level to 3 rd level YJ team hoping to make TG top team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the same boat w 2018 - coming from YJ -anyone have any words of advice

Stick with YJ

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hear ye, hear ye..... I now proclaim the 2019 Topguns best lacrosse team ever!!!!!!

Keep dreaming!!!! You have not played 2019 YJ yet

That's becausr CR is doing everything in her power to avoid TG teams, look at the All-Star Express brackets - six YJ teams in 2019 bracket, but they woiuld rather play 3 games against other YJ teams then play TG - nothing more to say.

Take a look at all the brackets 2019,2018,2017,2016 there are 8 TG teams not one is scheduled to play a YJ team??? how does that happen by chance??? There must be at least 10 YJ teams registered for this tournanment but no TG YJ matchups? on any level??

Maybe tourney directors trying to avoid another fight between BS The top gun director himself and the YJ folks. Witnessed a disgusting event at National draw between him and YJ coach TC on stadium field.

If you witnessed it why not give some details , just curious what is considered disgusting event. I have witnessed BS taking it to a new level when arguing with refs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All you people have nothing better to do than trash talking and analyzing things to death. Just do what's best for your kid and call it day. Keep your negative opinions to yourself. SS didn't claim to be the best player in the past 10 years. However, give her some credit...Tewaaraton Award, Honda Sports Award, Suzy Favor Big Ten Female Athlete of the Year, WomensLax.com Player of the Year, IWLCA Attacker of the Year, MVP of National Championship and ALC Championship, and she was also a finalist for the Sportswoman of the Year. Also, do your math. The Smiths are not getting rich off TG. Their business allows those involved to do what they love. Lastly, don't come down on people because they can afford to give their kids every opportunity to pursue something that they enjoy. Learning to master something (anything!) whether it earns one a scholarship or not will carryover to other aspects of one's life.

Seriously you think they are doing this to allow us to do what we love, they are in it strictly for money do not fool yourself. Your math skills are a joke , they are making big money off of this ,add in TG fees, uniform and clothing monies, all the TG camps, try out fees,private lesson fees , wood stick fees, etc. and yes they are pulling quite a lot of money.All that being said , good for her she has worked hard to make a name for herself as a player and if she works just as hard as a business women she deserves to make a lot of money,but please stop with the she does it for the love of the game, no chance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the same boat w 2018 - coming from YJ -anyone have any words of advice

Stick with YJ

Here is what I notice between TG and YJ. Some of the age groups are on par with YJ and some are certainly not. The 2018 blk looks like a reasonably strong team and seems on par with yj blue, m&d black etc... they played each other only once to a tie in a game called for lightning in second half. So your choice is more about the club than the competitiveness of the team. With politics at play anywhere you go, the only advantage TG has is it is half the size of YJ's and that translates to only half the amount of crazed parents yelling on sidelines and make trouble on the internet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the same boat w 2018 - coming from YJ -anyone have any words of advice

The grass is not always greener on the other side.
1, the costs are about the same TG raised tuition $100 for 2013
2, there are 10 practices scheduled, thats all you get
3, college coaches are away at school during early spring paractices

there are plenty of positives, obviously each team is unique, but most of the parents friendly, respectful, knowledgeable.
SS and BS are good people, yes its a money making enterprise, but you know that going in.
there is no pressure to attend any TG camps, buy shafts, or TG gear, or pay for private lessons. playing time is pretty fair 90% of the time, they will go to the best players in a playoff game.
The YJ are are a good organization, although I think they carry to many kids/teams, but thats my opinion.
ask your daughter if shes happy, let her have a say. all in all you can't go wrong with either club

thank you all for your advice - it is very much appreciated!

we actually did have more than 10 practices on our YJ team which was nice - and our coaches were awesome
it just seems that the blue team does get more "attention"
our team had two coaches - I was shocked to learn the blue team had 2 coaches for defense - 2 for midfield-2 for attack et. - that was when I became a little jaded - we are all paying the same amount - it just seems if you are on blue - great otherwise ....

Yellow jackets are washed up, go Top Guns all the way!

we actually had more than 10 practices which was great - and our 2 coaches were wonderful
i was suprised to find out though that the blue team has 2 coaches for attack, 2 for defense etc.
it seems if you are on blue you are certainly getting more individual training
i think that's great for them but i thought we were all paying the same price?
this is where i became a litle jaded- i know the grass is always greener but is this same type of disparity going on in top guns too?

Agree, TG is best bang for the buck but keep in mind you MUST make the team each year. Only complaint I have (2 girls in program) is that coaches need to encourage players to pass the ball. Some only pass to their "friends", others run the ball up from defense when there are 2 or 3 open players at any given time. A select few know how to set a play up from behind the cage, but overall a good place for a 2017/18 to get her lax skills to improve. Might want to scrimmage each other during practice too, on the car ride back home several of the girls have commented that they do the same "boring" thing every week. Just my 2 cents for what it's worth.

I also appreciate the feedback. My 2017 daughter is considering Top Guns. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yellow jackets are washed up, go Top Guns all the way!

Washed up I just looked at there website they had a pretty good summer and have done well helping kids find schools . Far from washed up actually they look stronger than ever.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

we actually had more than 10 practices which was great - and our 2 coaches were wonderful
i was suprised to find out though that the blue team has 2 coaches for attack, 2 for defense etc.
it seems if you are on blue you are certainly getting more individual training
i think that's great for them but i thought we were all paying the same price?
this is where i became a litle jaded- i know the grass is always greener but is this same type of disparity going on in top guns too?

Not sure what YJ team you are referring to but we have been on blue for 5 years now and never had more than 2 coaches! This year we have 1

I am the parent of a 2020 girl who played on the 209 black team this year. When my daughter tried out for the team we were told that she would be playing with this team for one year and then the following year she would not be moving up with this team and would play with her own age-2020. I can only speak for myself and what we were told, I do not know if all the 2020 girls were told the same thing. I did hear different things throughout the season regarding this but as we all know you should never believe everything you hear!!!

topguns in semi finals in florida, yellow jackets out. yeah that 2015 yellow jacket team that supposedly never loses.

Why even go there. Just enjoy it in silence and don't stoop to their level. Silence speaks volumes and TG is above posts directed at YJ. Everyone sees the results...Good luck to TG vs. Skywalkers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why even go there. Just enjoy it in silence and don't stoop to their level. Silence speaks volumes and TG is above posts directed at YJ. Everyone sees the results...Good luck to TG vs. Skywalkers

Good idea! Planning to join TG for next summer, and would love to see the parents keep quiet, have fun together, and let the YJ parents go crazy with these posts, and make dopes out of themselves! Ha!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why even go there. Just enjoy it in silence and don't stoop to their level. Silence speaks volumes and TG is above posts directed at YJ. Everyone sees the results...Good luck to TG vs. Skywalkers

Good idea! Planning to join TG for next summer, and would love to see the parents keep quiet, have fun together, and let the YJ parents go crazy with these posts, and make dopes out of themselves! Ha!

Go ahead and join them they finished in 3rd place and there is a yellow jacket 15 team still playing for First or Second.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why even go there. Just enjoy it in silence and don't stoop to their level. Silence speaks volumes and TG is above posts directed at YJ. Everyone sees the results...Good luck to TG vs. Skywalkers

Good idea! Planning to join TG for next summer, and would love to see the parents keep quiet, have fun together, and let the YJ parents go crazy with these posts, and make dopes out of themselves! Ha!

Go ahead and join them they finished in 3rd place and there is a yellow jacket 15 team still playing for First or Second.

yj2 team went farther than your top tg team so brag away tgs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why even go there. Just enjoy it in silence and don't stoop to their level. Silence speaks volumes and TG is above posts directed at YJ. Everyone sees the results...Good luck to TG vs. Skywalkers

Good idea! Planning to join TG for next summer, and would love to see the parents keep quiet, have fun together, and let the YJ parents go crazy with these posts, and make dopes out of themselves! Ha!

Go ahead and join them they finished in 3rd place and there is a yellow jacket 15 team still playing for First or Second.

Carol - stop posting while the Skywalkers are beating you. Concentrate on the game.

TG May have place 3rd but at least they gave SW
some competition compared to YJ2

All teams from Long Islands played well. Congratulations to Skywalkers for a hard fought tournament. Congratulations to both the Yellow Jackets teams And the Top Gun team.I feel terrible to see grown adults bashing programs that encourage girls to compete and grow as individuals. As a mom, I have my girls play sports to stay active and learn to work as a team. To gain confidence and make friendships. To become strong physically and emotionally, and to learn how to deal with victories and defeats. A lesson that is a part of everyday life. These are young ladies working hard, be proud of your child. Encourage them on the sidelines and teach them to respect themselves, their opponents, and their organization. The adults are those that cause animosity, not the players. There is no program that is innocent of this terrible behavior. This forum alone enables people to speak badly about a child without any ramifications. We would be the first to contact a school official if a child is bullied by another on FB or other social media sites, yet we look as if we are following the old motto, "do as I say, not as I do." I am sure there are individuals who have had their child play for one organization, and left because they felt it was not the best fit for their child. I would do the same, but many people who bash YJ or TG probably have never spoken or interacted with the directors or the players. It is just sad, it is a beautiful game and a great sport for girls, growing leaps and bounds. Too bad we all cannot enjoy the game and enjoy our daughters playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why even go there. Just enjoy it in silence and don't stoop to their level. Silence speaks volumes and TG is above posts directed at YJ. Everyone sees the results...Good luck to TG vs. Skywalkers

Good idea! Planning to join TG for next summer, and would love to see the parents keep quiet, have fun together, and let the YJ parents go crazy with these posts, and make dopes out of themselves! Ha!

Go ahead and join them they finished in 3rd place and there is a yellow jacket 15 team still playing for First or Second.

TG beat Skywalkers earlier in this tournament. YCarders couldn't even compete...just sayin'.

yj2 team went farther than your top tg team so brag away tgs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All teams from Long Islands played well. Congratulations to Skywalkers for a hard fought tournament. Congratulations to both the Yellow Jackets teams And the Top Gun team.I feel terrible to see grown adults bashing programs that encourage girls to compete and grow as individuals. As a mom, I have my girls play sports to stay active and learn to work as a team. To gain confidence and make friendships. To become strong physically and emotionally, and to learn how to deal with victories and defeats. A lesson that is a part of everyday life. These are young ladies working hard, be proud of your child. Encourage them on the sidelines and teach them to respect themselves, their opponents, and their organization. The adults are those that cause animosity, not the players. There is no program that is innocent of this
terrible behavior. This forum alone enables people to speak badly about a child without any ramifications. We would be the first to contact a school official if a child is bullied by another on FB or other social media sites, yet we look as if we are following the old motto, "do as I say, not as I do." I am sure there are individuals who have had their child play for one organization, and left because they felt it was not the best fit for their child. I would do the same, but many people who bash YJ or TG probably have never spoken or interacted with the directors or the players. It is just sad, it is a beautiful game and a great sport for girls, growing leaps and bounds. Too bad we all cannot enjoy the game and enjoy our daughters playing.

Very well said. Should be required reading prior to posting on this site.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All teams from Long Islands played well. Congratulations to Skywalkers for a hard fought tournament. Congratulations to both the Yellow Jackets teams And the Top Gun team.I feel terrible to see grown adults bashing programs that encourage girls to compete and grow as individuals. As a mom, I have my girls play sports to stay active and learn to work as a team. To gain confidence and make friendships. To become strong physically and emotionally, and to learn how to deal with victories and defeats. A lesson that is a part of everyday life. These are young ladies working hard, be proud of your child. Encourage them on the sidelines and teach them to respect themselves, their opponents, and their organization. The adults are those that cause animosity, not the players. There is no program that is innocent of this terrible behavior. This forum alone enables people to speak badly about a child without any ramifications. We would be the first to contact a school official if a child is bullied by another on FB or other social media sites, yet we look as if we are following the old motto, "do as I say, not as I do." I am sure there are individuals who have had their child play for one organization, and left because they felt it was not the best fit for their child. I would do the same, but many people who bash YJ or TG probably have never spoken or interacted with the directors or the players. It is just sad, it is a beautiful game and a great sport for girls, growing leaps and bounds. Too bad we all cannot enjoy the game and enjoy our daughters playing.

Unbelievably well said!!! That message should be copied & broadcast across all the different forums!! Would be nice if we all got along, showed respect, and enjoyed the competition, while teaching our girls to do the same.

Thank you, I feel so fortunate that I had parents who packed a cooler each and every weekend and spend hours watching me play and never muttered a negative word towards other players, our own players or coaches. I hope I am able to do the same. This site should be used to advertise tournaments, talk about accomplishments and help get out information. Calling young ladies names is just not acceptable and down right cruel. There is good and bad throughout, just wish the good was more prevalent. I just look in amazement how fortunate and talented so many of the girls are and how this sport can enable them to gain a great education and an experience very few of us could every imagine. This is their time to shine! I look at the NCAA tournament alone, how many of the girls were from LI. How the little girls who just began to play look up to them as roles models and want to be like so many of them. I had two of my own yelling and cheering! How they cheered and were so happy when the players from NW, Syracuse, and Florida waved, took pictures, and spoke to them. Isn't that what it is all about? Young, confident, strong women who play hard and respect one another (healthy competition) when they win or the loose.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you, I feel so fortunate that I had parents who packed a cooler each and every weekend and spend hours watching me play and never muttered a negative word towards other players, our own players or coaches. I hope I am able to do the same. This site should be used to advertise tournaments, talk about accomplishments and help get out information. Calling young ladies names is just not acceptable and down right cruel. There is good and bad throughout, just wish the good was more prevalent. I just look in amazement how fortunate and talented so many of the girls are and how this sport can enable them to gain a great education and an experience very few of us could every imagine. This is their time to shine! I look at the NCAA tournament alone, how many of the girls were from LI. How the little girls who just began to play look up to them as roles models and want to be like so many of them. I had two of my own yelling and cheering! How they cheered and were so happy when the players from NW, Syracuse, and Florida waved, took pictures, and spoke to them. Isn't that what it is all about? Young, confident, strong women who play hard and respect one another (healthy competition) when they win or the loose.

I loved everything you wrote here. However, your last line is the one that made me respond. RESPECT. The truth is some programs, like the YJ's do not respect their opponents. Their coaches don't show respect to their opponents. There is a big difference between being a better lacrosse player and being a better person. Unfortunately, that is the reputation that the YJ's have. It's all about ME - don;t care about anyone else. The TG's better be careful, learn from history, learn from mistakes. Don't become what you don't like now. Show respect, earn respect.

I have seen both sides. I have seen TG parents and YJ parents be very respectful to one another, and I have seen the opposite too. We all need to make a better effort to say less and cheer more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have seen both sides. I have seen TG parents and YJ parents be very respectful to one another, and I have seen the opposite too. We all need to make a better effort to say less and cheer more.

I agree with this as well. However, the prior post was referring to the players and coaches showing respect. As the saying goes, "the fish stinks from the head."

Players need to see their coaches chowing respect. Coaches need to show respect. Directors need to develop respect with their coaches. And above all, we need to respect the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have seen both sides. I have seen TG parents and YJ parents be very respectful to one another, and I have seen the opposite too. We all need to make a better effort to say less and cheer more.

I agree with this as well. However, the prior post was referring to the players and coaches showing respect. As the saying goes, "the fish stinks from the head."

Players need to see their coaches chowing respect. Coaches need to show respect. Directors need to develop respect with their coaches. And above all, we need to respect the game.

Watch the awards video below and tell me if you see TG and SW players cheering and high giving each other. Then tell me if you see the YJ girls hardly clapping. Seems they are missing out and that's sad!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K90zl6---iM

I watched this video but did not come away with the same impression. Looks like everyone was clapping and had a great time. I think this is a reach at poor sportsmanship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched this video but did not come away with the same impression. Looks like everyone was clapping and had a great time. I think this is a reach at poor sportsmanship.

You are entitled to your opinion. I was there and trust me it was obvious. Not only bad sportsmanship but they wouldn't talk to or congratulate anyone else. I just think they are missing out that's all. I know some of the YJ girls and they are really nice girls. I just wish the culture was different.

Any Skywalkers parents care to comment?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched this video but did not come away with the same impression. Looks like everyone was clapping and had a great time. I think this is a reach at poor sportsmanship.

For a top 3 team, thought TG would have better uniforms... razorbacks or something... purple pinneys and black shorts...not much of a fashion statement!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched this video but did not come away with the same impression. Looks like everyone was clapping and had a great time. I think this is a reach at poor sportsmanship.

For a top 3 team, thought TG would have better uniforms... razorbacks or something... purple pinneys and black shorts...not much of a fashion statement!

Ok??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched this video but did not come away with the same impression. Looks like everyone was clapping and had a great time. I think this is a reach at poor sportsmanship.

For a top 3 team, thought TG would have better uniforms... razorbacks or something... purple pinneys and black shorts...not much of a fashion statement!

If they had nicer uniforms they would win the championship!

Uniforms are not what it's about, who cares? It's about playing lacrosse .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched this video but did not come away with the same impression. Looks like everyone was clapping and had a great time. I think this is a reach at poor sportsmanship.

For a top 3 team, thought TG would have better uniforms... razorbacks or something... purple pinneys and black shorts...not much of a fashion statement!

You can go away now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have seen both sides. I have seen TG parents and YJ parents be very respectful to one another, and I have seen the opposite too. We all need to make a better effort to say less and cheer more.

I agree with this as well. However, the prior post was referring to the players and coaches showing respect. As the saying goes, "the fish stinks from the head."

Players need to see their coaches chowing respect. Coaches need to show respect. Directors need to develop respect with their coaches. And above all, we need to respect the game.

Watch the awards video below and tell me if you see TG and SW players cheering and high giving each other. Then tell me if you see the YJ girls hardly clapping. Seems they are missing out and that's saD
All that video shows is that there are great players from all the teams- relax and enjoy the sport !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K90zl6---iM

Do you really think they were serious??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Uniforms are not what it's about, who cares? It's about playing lacrosse .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched this video but did not come away with the same impression. Looks like everyone was clapping and had a great time. I think this is a reach at poor sportsmanship.

For a top 3 team, thought TG would have better uniforms... razorbacks or something... purple pinneys and black shorts...not much of a fashion statement!

look at sky Walker blue pinnie blue shorts= champs . YJ's have the prettiest 7 or 8th place uniforms with those ugly bees though

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched this video but did not come away with the same impression. Looks like everyone was clapping and had a great time. I think this is a reach at poor sportsmanship.

For a top 3 team, thought TG would have better uniforms... razorbacks or something... purple pinneys and black shorts...not much of a fashion statement!

look at sky Walker blue pinnie blue shorts= champs . YJ's have the prettiest 7 or 8th place uniforms with those ugly bees though

Haha. Ok let's refocus on the denial issues. Are you YJ folks going to say you are good sports? Or have humility? If you just let it go and admit you are disliked by the rest of the English speaking world because of your nasty, pompous attitudes not your winning percentage maybe you can begin to repair your broken reputation and your girls can begin to understand how it feels to be respected by their opponents and officials. There has to be at least one YJ parent who sees this. Let's hear from you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched this video but did not come away with the same impression. Looks like everyone was clapping and had a great time. I think this is a reach at poor sportsmanship.

For a top 3 team, thought TG would have better uniforms... razorbacks or something... purple pinneys and black shorts...not much of a fashion statement!

look at sky Walker blue pinnie blue shorts= champs . YJ's have the prettiest 7 or 8th place uniforms with those ugly bees though

If the are any SWalker parents here let me thank you for your kind words after the games and your support throughout. It was a true pleasure getting to know you all...
TG parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the are any SWalker parents here let me thank you for your kind words after the games and your support throughout. It was a true pleasure getting to know you all...
TG parent.

Yes, we have had a steady flow of Marylanders here on the site in the last several days.

FEAR THE BEE...........BAH HA HA HA .......

Fear TG hahahahahaha they win nothing

I have to admit you TGs were the happiest group of athletes I have seen after a loss ,that attitude should serve you and your team well in the future.My guess is you guys should be very happy for years to come.

Seriously ,why not have someone in charge of the 2016 team step up to raise money for the lax for backpacks, play a friendly game in what would be a nice fundraiser.Not stirring the pot but I cannot understand why both teams would not jump at the chance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have to admit you TGs were the happiest group of athletes I have seen after a loss ,that attitude should serve you and your team well in the future.My guess is you guys should be very happy for years to come.

No worries. We all see you miss the point. We will be happy and win or lose we will never be like you or your club. You are on an island all by yourselves. Congrats and good luck in life...you'll need it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched this video but did not come away with the same impression. Looks like everyone was clapping and had a great time. I think this is a reach at poor sportsmanship.

For a top 3 team, thought TG would have better uniforms... razorbacks or something... purple pinneys and black shorts...not much of a fashion statement!

look at sky Walker blue pinnie blue shorts= champs . YJ's have the prettiest 7 or 8th place uniforms with those ugly bees though

It's funny how it always has to back to YJ no matter what site. Pathetic. Is it because Top Guns has nothing to say?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously ,why not have someone in charge of the 2016 team step up to raise money for the lax for backpacks, play a friendly game in what would be a nice fundraiser.Not stirring the pot but I cannot understand why both teams would not jump at the chance.

They specifically only want town teams in this tournament. They don't want travel clubs running up the scores on all the other teams entered. This is not a destination, big name club tournament by any stretch, it is meant to keep local town teams active in the summer and the organizers told me that they only want town teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously ,why not have someone in charge of the 2016 team step up to raise money for the lax for backpacks, play a friendly game in what would be a nice fundraiser.Not stirring the pot but I cannot understand why both teams would not jump at the chance.

They specifically only want town teams in this tournament. They don't want travel clubs running up the scores on all the other teams entered. This is not a destination, big name club tournament by any stretch, it is meant to keep local town teams active in the summer and the organizers told me that they only want town teams.

I believe there was a chance to set up a special 1 game showdown to raise extra money, would be separate from tourney,maybe like a showcase game.

BEWARE,,, to town...Just heard several travel teams are entered in Lax for backpacks. wheather this is actually true or not would have to be confirmed by them , Boys have travel teams entered.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously ,why not have someone in charge of the 2016 team step up to raise money for the lax for backpacks, play a friendly game in what would be a nice fundraiser.Not stirring the pot but I cannot understand why both teams would not jump at the chance.

They specifically only want town teams in this tournament. They don't want travel clubs running up the scores on all the other teams entered. This is not a destination, big name club tournament by any stretch, it is meant to keep local town teams active in the summer and the organizers told me that they only want town teams.

bee keepers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BEWARE,,, to town...Just heard several travel teams are entered in Lax for backpacks. wheather this is actually true or not would have to be confirmed by them , Boys have travel teams entered.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously ,why not have someone in charge of the 2016 team step up to raise money for the lax for backpacks, play a friendly game in what would be a nice fundraiser.Not stirring the pot but I cannot understand why both teams would not jump at the chance.

You can't even be obnoxious well. Start working on your attitude and lack of humility and sportsmanship. Then you can work on tournament organization.
This has been a public service announcement.

They specifically only want town teams in this tournament. They don't want travel clubs running up the scores on all the other teams entered. This is not a destination, big name club tournament by any stretch, it is meant to keep local town teams active in the summer and the organizers told me that they only want town teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BEWARE,,, to town...Just heard several travel teams are entered in Lax for backpacks. wheather this is actually true or not would have to be confirmed by them , Boys have travel teams entered.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously ,why not have someone in charge of the 2016 team step up to raise money for the lax for backpacks, play a friendly game in what would be a nice fundraiser.Not stirring the pot but I cannot understand why both teams would not jump at the chance.

They specifically only want town teams in this tournament. They don't want travel clubs running up the scores on all the other teams entered. This is not a destination, big name club tournament by any stretch, it is meant to keep local town teams active in the summer and the organizers told me that they only want town teams.

It appears that Team Elevate has teams playing in the tournament.

Whenever you say any top gun team one thing always comes to mind, wanna be

Keep up the hard work someday you guys will win a significant tournament at one of the ages and be able to claim to have won a national title. I hear the 2019 team has an excellent chance at being that team and with the new coaches coming in will be the obvious top team in that organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep up the hard work someday you guys will win a significant tournament at one of the ages and be able to claim to have won a national title. I hear the 2019 team has an excellent chance at being that team and with the new coaches coming in will be the obvious top team in that organization.

Are you talking about new coaches for TG 2019 or YJ 2019? There's so much talk about both programs here, it's hard to keep up some time. I'm just wondering about TG 2019, for my daughter's sake. Thanks.

I have also heard that 2019 TG may be getting a new coach, although it was just rumor and knowing the coach I doubt what I heard is the truth.Just have to waitand see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have also heard that 2019 TG may be getting a new coach, although it was just rumor and knowing the coach I doubt what I heard is the truth.Just have to waitand see.

Would you happen to know anything about the 2017 TG teams? My friend's daughter is trying out for 2017 black. Just wondering if you had any insight, since it seems like you're involved with TG. Thanks.

2017 team is okay not that good. Kids seem to be a nice group but not very competitive yet.

They had a good season. This summer team was stronger than last year's team. They picked up some very good players this season and suspect that with each season they will keep getting better.

My daughter is a 2nd year player for 2017 black and I agree, this year was exciting! The new additions performed well, the girls seem to jell better. Still need to pass the ball and use the cage more and I suspect a few may be moved to purple although they didn't do too bad either, good luck to your daughter.

No offense but not exactly a ringing endorsement.If your kid is a competitive 2017 player look elsewhere

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No offense but not exactly a ringing endorsement.If your kid is a competitive 2017 player look elsewhere

My daughters are not on this team but I have watched this team play a few games this year. Certain age groups the TG are very strong and a couple are building to get there. This teams looks to be a decent foundation and I expect with the addition of a few good players, would be very competitive. My thinking is TG is attracting new talent every year and every year each team is getting stronger and stronger. With more established teams and clubs, sometimes even talent can't bust through the politics. This team is a good oppurtunity for a talented girl to get in and get established. When TG first started it was a ground floor opportunity, but the teams are becoming more and more established each year making it harder and harder to make or keep a spot on the roster.

Don't fool yourself TG has as much politics at play as any other club. Kids with connections make the top teams, kids that pay extra for private lessons get preference etc..Watch 2019 and see if certain 2020 kids stay with the black team while true 2019 kids who deserve to be on black but have no connections are put on purple.

Girls did well. Always had winning record at every tournament whether they went 4-2, 5-1 or undefeated. Good group of talented girls that need to be developed more. Overall great season and only getting stronger.

All purple teams struggled not very competitive.

Saw M&D Black take them down 16-0 at CNC, it didn't look good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No offense but not exactly a ringing endorsement.If your kid is a competitive 2017 player look elsewhere

when talking 2017 wont it be interesting when the clubs that do not entertain teams over 8th grade level have their players move to TG?

It would be great to have some additional talent tryout for Top Guns to keep building this young program. I believe with each year this program will improve because of the coaching and respect shown to the girls. Shannon, Andrew and Bill Smith are absolutely great to work with.

Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...

Agree this team is not that far off from being a really good team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...

Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.

Not trying to be a jerk just curious.The three coaches you mention , do any have any coaching experience. Do not know Bill Smiths background but has he been a successful coach , Andrew is still college age , has he had much coaching experience with girls programs as he is the only college age man I have seen around coaching girls travel lacrosse.Obviously everyone knows shannons playing career but as a coach I am curious to see where she ends up.

WLAX : Smith Named as Ninth Women's Head Coach

Hempstead, NY � Shannon Smith, a three-time first-team lacrosse All-American who is among the most decorated players in the sport, will return to her native Long Island to become head coach of Hofstra University�s women�s lacrosse team, Vice President and Director of Athletics Jeffrey A. Hathaway announced today.

Smith becomes the ninth head coach in the history of the Hofstra women�s lacrosse program, replacing Abby Morgan who resigned after six seasons at the helm.

�I am extremely excited that Shannon Smith is joining the Hofstra University family as our head women�s lacrosse coach,� commented Hathaway.

�Shannon�s strong ties in the Long Island lacrosse community, combined with her superior leadership ability, extremely competitive nature, and extensive playing experience at the highest level, will be a tremendous asset as we work to develop Hofstra women�s lacrosse into a nationally-recognized elite program. She is very committed to academic success, understands the overall development of student-athletes during their college experience and clearly supports giving back to the community.

�After speaking with numerous highly-respected coaches, athletic administrators and others associated with the women�s lacrosse world about our search for a new head coach, it became evident to me that Shannon possesses outstanding credibility and credentials in the sport and is the perfect fit for Hofstra University,� continued Hathaway.

Smith said she is excited to start her tenure at Hofstra.

�I am extremely thankful to Hofstra President Stuart Rabinowitz and Vice President and Director of Athletics Jeff Hathaway for giving me the opportunity to lead the Hofstra women's lacrosse program," said Smith. �Hofstra is a phenomenal institution that strives for excellence in academics and athletics and I look forward to helping provide our student-athletics with a great experience in the classroom, on the playing field and in the community.

�It is an honor and a privilege to be put in a position to return home to Long Island and build a program that will be very competitive and successful in the near future. The lacrosse facilities and resources in place at Hofstra are amongst the best in the nation and combined with the great academic climate and beautiful campus I am confident the future is bright for the Hofstra women�s lacrosse program.

�I can�t thank Dr. Phillips (Dr. James Phillips, Northwestern University's Director of Athletics & Recreation) and Kelly (Kelly Amonte Hiller, Northwestern University�s Head Women�s Lacrosse Coach) enough for their support and guidance over the last four-plus years,� continued Smith. �The entire Northwestern family has been very supportive of the women�s lacrosse program there and it certainly assisted in my development as a player, person and coach.�

Smith recently completed a four-year playing career at Northwestern. Among her many highlights included winning three NCAA titles, earning three first team All-American honors (2010, 2011, 2012) and capturing the 2011 Tewaaraton (presented annually to the NCAA women's and men's lacrosse player of the year) and lacrosse Honda (recognized as the top collegiate female athlete in her sport, and the award is considered by many as one of the highest honors a female college athlete can receive in the nation) Awards.

Smith is very adept at the business side of lacrosse as well. Since 2009, she has served as a director with Long Island Top Guns girls lacrosse club. Smith has assisted with every aspect of the club and helped organize and coach a training program for over 300 players. From managing the business side of the club to coaching teams, Smith has played a vital role in the development of one of the top club programs in the area. Through her work with Long Island Top Guns, Smith manages a total of four camps, while overseeing a staff of over 20 people.

This past June Smith coached the North squad at the 2012 Under Armour All-America Lacrosse Classic.

Smith�s immense experience at the highest level of lacrosse continues with her extensive US Lacrosse career. Just this past weekend, she was named to the roster for the 2012-14 U.S. women�s national senior team. This group will serve as the training team pool for the team that will defend Team USA's 2009 gold medal at the 2013 Federation of International Lacrosse (FIL) World Cup in Oshawa, Ontario. Smith also was part of the 2011-12 U.S. women�s national training team and the 2007 U.S. women�s national under-19 team. As a member of the U-19 squad, she helped lead the team to the Gold Medal at the 2007 World Cup.

A key player on three teams that captured NCAA titles at Northwestern (2009, 2011, 2012), Smith was the Most Outstanding Player of the 2011 and 2012 Championships. During her career, she scored 58 points in the NCAA Tournament to rank second all-time in that category.

Smith is not defined solely by her postseason honors and awards, though, as she totaled 254 goals, 108 assists and 362 points during her career. Her goals total ranks first all-time in program history, while she is second all-time in points and third in assists. Her 86 goals in 2011 are a single-season record for the Northwestern program. In addition, she ranks eighth all-time in NCAA Division I women�s lacrosse in points and ninth in goals.

She played in 91 games during her career at Northwestern, adding 118 draw controls, 85 ground balls and 28 caused turnovers. Smith had 19 game-winning goals during her career and her 2011 season was her most prolific with 86 goals, 42 assists, 128 points, 39 draw controls, 25 ground balls and eight caused turnovers.

Smith has done charitable work in the Long Island community as well. She is actively involved with the Friends of Jacyln Foundation and Our Lady of Grace Garden. She also helped lead a group of counselors at the South Bay Elementary School (West Babylon, New [lacrosse]) Lacrosse Camp to raise $6,500 towards the reconstruction of the school after a fire.

A native of West Babylon, New [lacrosse], Smith attended West Babylon High School where she was a six-time letter-winner and was a member of the varsity squad starting in seventh grade. Smith was one of the top scholastic lacrosse players to ever come out of Long Island as she had 729 points on 505 goals and 224 assists during her career. Both the points and goals totals are New [lacrosse] state records as is her 129 goals in 2006.

Smith received her bachelor of science in liberal arts, with a major in economics and minor in business institutions program, from Northwestern.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would be great to have some additional talent tryout for Top Guns to keep building this young program. I believe with each year this program will improve because of the coaching and respect shown to the girls. Shannon, Andrew and Bill Smith are absolutely great to work with.

No coaching experience

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would be great to have some additional talent tryout for Top Guns to keep building this young program. I believe with each year this program will improve because of the coaching and respect shown to the girls. Shannon, Andrew and Bill Smith are absolutely great to work with.

No coaching experience

And yet the club is doing great with happy kids and parents and Shannon just got the Head Coaching job at Hofstra. Seems pretty good so far. Gonna try and buzz kill aren't ya.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would be great to have some additional talent tryout for Top Guns to keep building this young program. I believe with each year this program will improve because of the coaching and respect shown to the girls. Shannon, Andrew and Bill Smith are absolutely great to work with.

No coaching experience

Except within TG (that I know of) and I had no complaints.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...

Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.

Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree this team is not that far off from being a really good team.

Hopefully, my daughter makes the 2017 black team, and turns out to be a solid contributor. Would like to see her grow with the team, into a real top team in a few years! Thanks for the feedback on the team and program!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't fool yourself TG has as much politics at play as any other club. Kids with connections make the top teams, kids that pay extra for private lessons get preference etc..Watch 2019 and see if certain 2020 kids stay with the black team while true 2019 kids who deserve to be on black but have no connections are put on purple.

No doubt there are politics there, but the club, teams and players are new and the politics aren't as deep as some other clubs (yet). Don't understand the 2019 2020 comment, next year all the 2020 kids will fall down an age group and 19's will move along.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree this team is not that far off from being a really good team.

MD beat the 16-0 that is really really far off

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...

Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.

Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...

I think this is terrible news for the program. The reason why is that I truly feel she will be way over her head in coaching a D1 program. With all that it requires she will have no time for Top Guns. Many people came to TG because of SS. Now I think many will leave because she won't be there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...

Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.

Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...

I think this is terrible news for the program. The reason why is that I truly feel she will be way over her head in coaching a D1 program. With all that it requires she will have no time for Top Guns. Many people came to TG because of SS. Now I think many will leave because she won't be there.

Go to bed CR!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree this team is not that far off from being a really good team.

MD beat the 16-0 that is really really far off

TG 2019 Black only lost two of thirty games this year, lost to YJ 2018 Blue in semi-finals at National Draw and lost to Hero's 2019 in semi-final at Club National Championships by one goal in a poorly officiated game, beat M&D and Skywalkers the only times they played!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...

Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.

Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...

First and foremost, congratulations to Coach Smith for landing the role at Hofstra. All of our insiders report that she demonstrated a vision for the Pride program that was a step beyond all other applicants.

That said, the fact is that she will be the youngest women's head coach in all of NCAA Division I sports. She takes the role without any collegiate assistant coaching experience and will need to rely heavily on her on-field leadership and coaching experience with the Top Guns.

Despite positive public reports that she has given, there is a ton of work to do at Hofstra as the women's program substantially missed the mark this year. Since the elimination of the football program, athletic donations are down roughly 30% and the lacrosse program is being strained to carry the load.

So, why might Hofstra have made this unorthodox head coaching selection? Does the University want to draw more women's players from the local area? Is the University tired of losing press pages to Stonybrook's program under Joe Spallina this season? Is the in-coming Athletic Director trying to assert a new direction by taking new coaches who might be more malleable?

Here's the bottom line. Hofstra's women's program is at least two recruiting seasons away from being a serious force in the NCAA Division I world again. That is nearly a lifetime in college athletics.

Undoubtedly, the selection of Smith must be a longer term play to help the program through the transition period. The question is whether Smith will have the stomach to put in three years or more dealing with a team in transition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree this team is not that far off from being a really good team.

MD beat the 16-0 that is really really far off

TG 2019 Black only lost two of thirty games this year, lost to YJ 2018 Blue in semi-finals at National Draw and lost to Hero's 2019 in semi-final at Club National Championships by one goal in a poorly officiated game, beat M&D and Skywalkers the only times they played!

Also beat plenty of 2018 teams over the summer, including playoff wins!

Why does everything always go back to CR she did not write that! You go to bed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree this team is not that far off from being a really good team.

MD beat the 16-0 that is really really far off

TG 2019 Black only lost two of thirty games this year, lost to YJ 2018 Blue in semi-finals at National Draw and lost to Hero's 2019 in semi-final at Club National Championships by one goal in a poorly officiated game, beat M&D and Skywalkers the only times they played!

Also beat plenty of 2018 teams over the summer, including playoff wins!

They were talking about 2017 not 2019. But agreed 2019 is a solid team just like 2018, had a very similar first year. 18's dropped a bunch of players to 19's after the first year but picked up some nice additions and had a strong season. The 19's will be doing the same this year and I would imagine will have a good second season like the18's. 17's not at that high level yet, but I expect them to get there within a year or two. I know of a couple parents talking about daughters trying out for 17 who would make an immediate impact, but that's just talk at this point.

2017 Black should move a few defenders to purple, they seemed much less aggressive than their teammates. Offense was solid for the most part-again, they need to mix the teams up and move the ball like they do on the older teams. Once they eliminate the clicky buddies and mix up the attack/mid lines the girls will be untouchable. Very aggressive and fast, should try different girls at the draw. Very coachable and respectful, great group of parents getting to know each other. If you're coming from the north shore/east end the practices are in West Babylon and it only takes 20/25 minutes to get to the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't fool yourself TG has as much politics at play as any other club. Kids with connections make the top teams, kids that pay extra for private lessons get preference etc..Watch 2019 and see if certain 2020 kids stay with the black team while true 2019 kids who deserve to be on black but have no connections are put on purple.

The 2020 girls SHOULD stay down to play with their own age group!!! Since there will be a team at their age there would be no reason for them to move up with the 2019 team!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree this team is not that far off from being a really good team.

MD beat the 16-0 that is really really far off

TG 2019 Black only lost two of thirty games this year, lost to YJ 2018 Blue in semi-finals at National Draw and lost to Hero's 2019 in semi-final at Club National Championships by one goal in a poorly officiated game, beat M&D and Skywalkers the only times they played!

When did you play MD

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't fool yourself TG has as much politics at play as any other club. Kids with connections make the top teams, kids that pay extra for private lessons get preference etc..Watch 2019 and see if certain 2020 kids stay with the black team while true 2019 kids who deserve to be on black but have no connections are put on purple.

No doubt there are politics there, but the club, teams and players are new and the politics aren't as deep as some other clubs (yet). Don't understand the 2019 2020 comment, next year all the 2020 kids will fall down an age group and 19's will move along.

Do Not Bet On It. Politics will come into play and the favorites will get to pick where they play and will not be able to resist the allure of saying they play up.

Don't believe we played M&D 2019 this summer. Could be mistaken.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree this team is not that far off from being a really good team.

MD beat the 16-0 that is really really far off

TG 2019 Black only lost two of thirty games this year, lost to YJ 2018 Blue in semi-finals at National Draw and lost to Hero's 2019 in semi-final at Club National Championships by one goal in a poorly officiated game, beat M&D and Skywalkers the only times they played!

Does this mean that all those little top gun players who at the d1 final sporting purple face paint and sporting northwestern apparel and the suck [lacrosse] parents who wanna do everything in their power to see that their daughter is just like SM , are now gonna sport hofstra gear? , I bet we will see all those little followers on the first day of school show up dressed and ready to go with hofstra written all over them ...too bad now all practices will be in Nassau county.. Happy commuting.. Let's go Shannon..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...

Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.

Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does this mean that all those little top gun players who at the d1 final sporting purple face paint and sporting northwestern apparel and the suck [lacrosse] parents who wanna do everything in their power to see that their daughter is just like SM , are now gonna sport hofstra gear? , I bet we will see all those little followers on the first day of school show up dressed and ready to go with hofstra written all over them ...too bad now all practices will be in Nassau county.. Happy commuting.. Let's go Shannon..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...

Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.

Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...

It is sad to see someone so bitter, digging on little girls. GET A LIFE.

thats a given. all TG practices will now be on Hofstra property as they have more than enough room. I am sure the school will love those future applicants running around and SS would have been stupid not to include it.

Part of most all coaches compensation package or lack there of is the use of facilities for Camps and Clinics to subsidize their program (fundraising) and the coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does this mean that all those little top gun players who at the d1 final sporting purple face paint and sporting northwestern apparel and the suck [lacrosse] parents who wanna do everything in their power to see that their daughter is just like SM , are now gonna sport hofstra gear? , I bet we will see all those little followers on the first day of school show up dressed and ready to go with hofstra written all over them ...too bad now all practices will be in Nassau county.. Happy commuting.. Let's go Shannon..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...

Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.

Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...

Not sure where the animosity concerning apparel comes from. Who cares who they cheer for. Pretty sure all you YJ parents walking around in your bee gear do the same. As far as the national championship game goes it was awesome seeing the support for Shannon. Try to be happy for a young lady accomplishing great things. Best of luck Shannon!

Are there any plans to start a summer clinic for the younger ages in the summer? Right now it seems like YJ is the only club that offers something for the younger girls. I heard good things about the TG club but it doesn't seem to offer anything for my daughter until 5th grade, unless I missed something.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does this mean that all those little top gun players who at the d1 final sporting purple face paint and sporting northwestern apparel and the suck [lacrosse] parents who wanna do everything in their power to see that their daughter is just like SM , are now gonna sport hofstra gear? , I bet we will see all those little followers on the first day of school show up dressed and ready to go with hofstra written all over them ...too bad now all practices will be in Nassau county.. Happy commuting.. Let's go Shannon..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...

Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.

Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...

Happy commuting? Is that how you put a negative spin on this? I have no idea if she would be allowed to use the fields and facilities, but as a TG parent we could only hope so.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does this mean that all those little top gun players who at the d1 final sporting purple face paint and sporting northwestern apparel and the suck [lacrosse] parents who wanna do everything in their power to see that their daughter is just like SM , are now gonna sport hofstra gear? , I bet we will see all those little followers on the first day of school show up dressed and ready to go with hofstra written all over them ...too bad now all practices will be in Nassau county.. Happy commuting.. Let's go Shannon..

You can say that again! What a sad way to live...so angry...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...

Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.

Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...

It is sad to see someone so bitter, digging on little girls. GET A LIFE.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does this mean that all those little top gun players who at the d1 final sporting purple face paint and sporting northwestern apparel and the suck [lacrosse] parents who wanna do everything in their power to see that their daughter is just like SM , are now gonna sport hofstra gear? , I bet we will see all those little followers on the first day of school show up dressed and ready to go with hofstra written all over them ...too bad now all practices will be in Nassau county.. Happy commuting.. Let's go Shannon..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...

Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.

Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...

Not sure where the animosity concerning apparel comes from. Who cares who they cheer for. Pretty sure all you YJ parents walking around in your bee gear do the same. As far as the national championship game goes it was awesome seeing the support for Shannon. Try to be happy for a young lady accomplishing great things. Best of luck Shannon!

Even more awesome at the national championships was watching one of your coaches of your younger teams drink so much he could not function other then scream an occasional go Shannon.Excellent role model we were really impressed at how obnoxious he could get.

Honestly yes who cares who they cheer for ? , but it is funny that 3/4's of the program has no clue about Hofstra LAX , they only cheered for NW because of Shannon and still had no clue about the school , never knew squat other then tournaments are there , and thats where the LI lizards play. I bet the TG mommys did there dash already to the store and bought out Hofstra wear already... Can see it now !! lmfao

What a lifestyle !!
This is a ridiculous site were house wifes/lax moms sit at computer all day and troll for info on everyones next move !
Then goto travel practice and spread the gossip of what they heard about the other programs.. Seriously ... i guess facebook is so played out that this is what it comes down to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does this mean that all those little top gun players who at the d1 final sporting purple face paint and sporting northwestern apparel and the suck [lacrosse] parents who wanna do everything in their power to see that their daughter is just like SM , are now gonna sport hofstra gear? , I bet we will see all those little followers on the first day of school show up dressed and ready to go with hofstra written all over them ...too bad now all practices will be in Nassau county.. Happy commuting.. Let's go Shannon..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...

Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.

Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...

Not sure where the animosity concerning apparel comes from. Who cares who they cheer for. Pretty sure all you YJ parents walking around in your bee gear do the same. As far as the national championship game goes it was awesome seeing the support for Shannon. Try to be happy for a young lady accomplishing great things. Best of luck Shannon!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does this mean that all those little top gun players who at the d1 final sporting purple face paint and sporting northwestern apparel and the suck [lacrosse] parents who wanna do everything in their power to see that their daughter is just like SM , are now gonna sport hofstra gear? , I bet we will see all those little followers on the first day of school show up dressed and ready to go with hofstra written all over them ...too bad now all practices will be in Nassau county.. Happy commuting.. Let's go Shannon..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...

Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.

Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...

Not sure where the animosity concerning apparel comes from. Who cares who they cheer for. Pretty sure all you YJ parents walking around in your bee gear do the same. As far as the national championship game goes it was awesome seeing the support for Shannon. Try to be happy for a young lady accomplishing great things. Best of luck Shannon!

Even more awesome at the national championships was watching one of your coaches of your younger teams drink so much he could not function other then scream an occasional go Shannon.Excellent role model we were really impressed at how obnoxious he could get.

The amazing accomplishments of this fine young lady certainly seems to bring out a lot of jealousy in some people. Better luck to you in your next life.

Previous Post about 2017 BlACK I agree a couple of defenders should be moved down to purple not aggressive enough also offense needs to move the ball more there are other girls on the team with talent.

I agree went to a couple of there games my daughter wants to try out for them this year defense is agressive. #7 is tough and has talent offense has a few girls with great skills i can see this team being very very good in a couple more years playing together.

You have to be joking? #7... You have to be that girls mom..serious..you think she will get a "RIDE" to Hofstra now??
get a grip get off the high horse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree went to a couple of there games my daughter wants to try out for them this year defense is agressive. #7 is tough and has talent offense has a few girls with great skills i can see this team being very very good in a couple more years playing together.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does this mean that all those little top gun players who at the d1 final sporting purple face paint and sporting northwestern apparel and the suck [lacrosse] parents who wanna do everything in their power to see that their daughter is just like SM , are now gonna sport hofstra gear? , I bet we will see all those little followers on the first day of school show up dressed and ready to go with hofstra written all over them ...too bad now all practices will be in Nassau county.. Happy commuting.. Let's go Shannon..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...

Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.

Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...

Not sure where the animosity concerning apparel comes from. Who cares who they cheer for. Pretty sure all you YJ parents walking around in your bee gear do the same. As far as the national championship game goes it was awesome seeing the support for Shannon. Try to be happy for a young lady accomplishing great things. Best of luck Shannon!

Even more awesome at the national championships was watching one of your coaches of your younger teams drink so much he could not function other then scream an occasional go Shannon.Excellent role model we were really impressed at how obnoxious he could get.

Yeah. Almost as good as one of your coaches chewing tobacco and spitting in a cup on the sideline while screaming at adolescent girls. Get a grip. There's way more if you wanna go there!

Or a YJ mother (coaches relative) staggering around All-Star express drunk and yelling at her kid because she's not playing well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Or a YJ mother (coaches relative) staggering around All-Star express drunk and yelling at her kid because she's not playing well.

Why don't you all just stop now! Unless you enjoy sounding like trailer trash.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't believe we played M&D 2019 this summer. Could be mistaken.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree this team is not that far off from being a really good team.

MD beat the 16-0 that is really really far off

TG 2019 Black only lost two of thirty games this year, lost to YJ 2018 Blue in semi-finals at National Draw and lost to Hero's 2019 in semi-final at Club National Championships by one goal in a poorly officiated game, beat M&D and Skywalkers the only times they played!

it was md united, not m&d

My daughter does play for the 2017 Black team and it really was a nice experience for us. We would be happy to have your daughter. Nice girls and families. No drama. Just a nice organization that we are now loyal to and would love to see it just get better and better. I do believe stronger talent will tryout especially now that Shannon Smith is the Hofstra head coach. This will be a draw for girls that want to play D1 and stay local. Although she is not our coach, she did oversee the team and knows all of their names.

This was a nice thread until you joined it. Why the hate? Why do you care that young girls look up to a fantastic athlete as a role model? Who cares what school they cheer for? I can think of a lot worse things that young girls could be doing than going to a sporting event with family and friends and having a dream to one day be on that field playing that level of lacrosse. The thread started positive with honest feed back. No need to be a hater. Sadly, I think I already know who you are and I feel for you and your daughter. Try being more positive and this may help her overall lacrosse experience and friendships, It is okay to cheer for any college of your choice and in the end still get along.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter does play for the 2017 Black team and it really was a nice experience for us. We would be happy to have your daughter. Nice girls and families. No drama. Just a nice organization that we are now loyal to and would love to see it just get better and better. I do believe stronger talent will tryout especially now that Shannon Smith is the Hofstra head coach. This will be a draw for girls that want to play D1 and stay local. Although she is not our coach, she did oversee the team and knows all of their names.

Thank you. Sounds like the right place to be. Solid organization, not too big, team with nice families, talented girls, without too much drama. Hope to join the group, and look forward to meeting everyone, cheering the girls on, and watching them compete!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter does play for the 2017 Black team and it really was a nice experience for us. We would be happy to have your daughter. Nice girls and families. No drama. Just a nice organization that we are now loyal to and would love to see it just get better and better. I do believe stronger talent will tryout especially now that Shannon Smith is the Hofstra head coach. This will be a draw for girls that want to play D1 and stay local. Although she is not our coach, she did oversee the team and knows all of their names.

Thank you. Sounds like the right place to be. Solid organization, not too big, team with nice families, talented girls, without too much drama. Hope to join the group, and look forward to meeting everyone, cheering the girls on, and watching them compete!

Do you honestly believe that Top Guns is going to be better because Shannon got the Hofstra job? It's going to be the complete opposite. She will have no time for TG becasue of her commitment to Hofstra. That's the truth.

This is a great thing for Shannon. I don't agree with the decision by Hofstra and my gut tells me this could be a disaster. She is not experienced enough and is going to be way over here head. Unfortunately this is also going to be a bad thing for Top Guns because she will not be involved in the program that we all thought she would be.

It is actually a conflict of interest being a womans college head coach and having her own travel program ,having harsh thoughts about other programs,burning certain bridges only makes it difficult for recruitment , and she cannot just hand over potential scholarships soley to her own program players either.. This just becomes a mess.. great news for her to fulfill her dream as a coach , but not a smart move holding a travel team program , and certainly will have an impact on alot of her players who's parents are gonna have there Hand out looking for their big payoff. I am not a YJ or Topgun parent , just an avid reader and longtime LAX coach who has seen it all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter does play for the 2017 Black team and it really was a nice experience for us. We would be happy to have your daughter. Nice girls and families. No drama. Just a nice organization that we are now loyal to and would love to see it just get better and better. I do believe stronger talent will tryout especially now that Shannon Smith is the Hofstra head coach. This will be a draw for girls that want to play D1 and stay local. Although she is not our coach, she did oversee the team and knows all of their names.

Thank you. Sounds like the right place to be. Solid organization, not too big, team with nice families, talented girls, without too much drama. Hope to join the group, and look forward to meeting everyone, cheering the girls on, and watching them compete!

Do you honestly believe that Top Guns is going to be better because Shannon got the Hofstra job? It's going to be the complete opposite. She will have no time for TG becasue of her commitment to Hofstra. That's the truth.

This is a great thing for Shannon. I don't agree with the decision by Hofstra and my gut tells me this could be a disaster. She is not experienced enough and is going to be way over here head. Unfortunately this is also going to be a bad thing for Top Guns because she will not be involved in the program that we all thought she would be.

Top Guns will probably not change much. There will be times where Shannon's less available. She'll also have some new resources, due to the Hofstra job. Most teams are not coached by Shannon. She'll still have top quality coaches running things, and she'll oversee the program to make sure it's on the right track. There are other succesful travel programs run by college coaches, who are very involved. I think everyone's making way too big of a deal out of this, but I guess it's interesting conversation, during a slow lacrosse time period, with summer lax being over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is actually a conflict of interest being a womans college head coach and having her own travel program

A conflict of interest arises when decisions in one area force decisions in the second. No such conflict exists. It is not as if there is a policy that you will play for Hofstra or you cannot play for the Top Guns. Your opinion sounds good on paper, but the facts are completely the opposite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

... having harsh thoughts about other programs,burning certain bridges only makes it difficult for recruitment , and she cannot just hand over potential scholarships soley to her own program players either.

Exactly how many scholarships do you think she will control this year? The current recruiting class would have been Abby Morgan's and it will be two to three years before the recruiting program will have Shannon Smith's stamp on it - short of just eliminating currently rostered players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This just becomes a mess.. great news for her to fulfill her dream as a coach , but not a smart move holding a travel team program , and certainly will have an impact on alot of her players who's parents are gonna have there Hand out looking for their big payoff.

This is certainly clearer and more carefully regulated from a compliance perspective with the NCAA than a Long Island High School coach would be when they also participate in club activities.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am not a YJ or Topgun parent , just an avid reader and longtime LAX coach who has seen it all.

That's fair. The College/Elite Program overlap is just starting to take hold in lacrosse. Expect this pattern to continue and likely accelerate in the next decade. This is yet another pattern where lacrosse is following soccer; just a decade behind.

Cage Sage - What's your opinion on how this will affect the Top Guns program?

You are all so kind to give your opinions how this is a bad decision for Hofstra and SS, but doesn't it work on boys side? Isn't Tierney a big part of team 91? Look at Maryland Elite Lacrosse Club, Denver Elite Lacrosse Club, Jim Nagle had a club team for seawolves this year and Spallina's are part owners of Team 91. Why not wait a year, see how it works out and then give your unwarranted opinions. Congratulations to SS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are all so kind to give your opinions how this is a bad decision for Hofstra and SS, but doesn't it work on boys side? Isn't Tierney a big part of team 91? Look at Maryland Elite Lacrosse Club, Denver Elite Lacrosse Club, Jim Nagle had a club team for seawolves this year and Spallina's are part owners of Team 91. Why not wait a year, see how it works out and then give your unwarranted opinions. Congratulations to SS.

Exactly...look at the Havoc/Dune Dawgs - run by Dowling coaches!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter does play for the 2017 Black team and it really was a nice experience for us. We would be happy to have your daughter. Nice girls and families. No drama. Just a nice organization that we are now loyal to and would love to see it just get better and better. I do believe stronger talent will tryout especially now that Shannon Smith is the Hofstra head coach. This will be a draw for girls that want to play D1 and stay local. Although she is not our coach, she did oversee the team and knows all of their names.

Thank you. Sounds like the right place to be. Solid organization, not too big, team with nice families, talented girls, without too much drama. Hope to join the group, and look forward to meeting everyone, cheering the girls on, and watching them compete!

Do you honestly believe that Top Guns is going to be better because Shannon got the Hofstra job? It's going to be the complete opposite. She will have no time for TG becasue of her commitment to Hofstra. That's the truth.

This is a great thing for Shannon. I don't agree with the decision by Hofstra and my gut tells me this could be a disaster. She is not experienced enough and is going to be way over here head. Unfortunately this is also going to be a bad thing for Top Guns because she will not be involved in the program that we all thought she would be.

Thank you Mike Francessa. Just remember. Opinions are like A-Holes, everyone has one and they usually stink!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are all so kind to give your opinions how this is a bad decision for Hofstra and SS, but doesn't it work on boys side? Isn't Tierney a big part of team 91? Look at Maryland Elite Lacrosse Club, Denver Elite Lacrosse Club, Jim Nagle had a club team for seawolves this year and Spallina's are part owners of Team 91. Why not wait a year, see how it works out and then give your unwarranted opinions. Congratulations to SS.

Tierney coaches his son's team, he is not an owner or director of 91.
MELC is run by a HS Coach.
Denver Elite is run by the University of Denver Staff. All of these coaches have years of experience running teams and did not just graduate college.
LI Wolves is run by Nagle - once again a coach with extensive experience.
Team 91 is not owned by Joe Spallina. He coaches his kids team. It is owned by Brian Spallina who has no association with Stony Brook University.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are all so kind to give your opinions how this is a bad decision for Hofstra and SS, but doesn't it work on boys side? Isn't Tierney a big part of team 91? Look at Maryland Elite Lacrosse Club, Denver Elite Lacrosse Club, Jim Nagle had a club team for seawolves this year and Spallina's are part owners of Team 91. Why not wait a year, see how it works out and then give your unwarranted opinions. Congratulations to SS.

Tierney coaches his son's team, he is not an owner or director of 91.
MELC is run by a HS Coach.
Denver Elite is run by the University of Denver Staff. All of these coaches have years of experience running teams and did not just graduate college.
LI Wolves is run by Nagle - once again a coach with extensive experience.
Team 91 is not owned by Joe Spallina. He coaches his kids team. It is owned by Brian Spallina who has no association with Stony Brook University.

Is that you again Mike? We got it. Now let's see how it goes. I challenge you to come on here and retract your doomsday opinion when it all works out. We rarely see the apologies with the same exuberance as the lynch mob.

"Tom Gravante, Head Coach of Mount St. Mary�s Men�s Lacrosse, serves as our Director of Coaches. As the Director and Men's Head Coach at Mount St. Mary's University (1993-present)."MELC website

"Denver Elite Lacrosse is a lacrosse club program run out of the University of Denver by Bill Tierney, Trevor Tierney and Matt Brown." DELC website.....TG has more than SS on staff

Check your facts. Stop being such haters and wish her good luck. Obviously, it can be done without hurting the organization. That was my point JACKASS!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Tom Gravante, Head Coach of Mount St. Mary�s Men�s Lacrosse, serves as our Director of Coaches. As the Director and Men's Head Coach at Mount St. Mary's University (1993-present)."MELC website

"Denver Elite Lacrosse is a lacrosse club program run out of the University of Denver by Bill Tierney, Trevor Tierney and Matt Brown." DELC website.....TG has more than SS on staff

Check your facts. Stop being such haters and wish her good luck. Obviously, it can be done without hurting the organization. That was my point JACKASS!

Was a good post until you stooped to name calling at the end. Cmon...you are better than that and I agree SS will do great cause she is a strong woman and failure is not in her vocabulary. Please don't stoop to the level others do on other club threads, TGs don't do that. Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cage Sage - What's your opinion on how this will affect the Top Guns program?

Let me answer this question with another question.

There are plenty of "professional lacrosse coaches" that have other jobs. Whether a school teacher who augments their salary through club or High School coaching or a business man who runs an elite program during the summer, the individual balances both careers/roles. Do their "main jobs" impact their club programs?

There is nothing here that immediately suggests any impact to the Top Guns program. In fact, one could argue that Coach Smith's Long Island residency during the 30-weeks of class sessions will actually augment the Top Guns program.

Could the talent from the Top Guns have a pipeline from club ball into Hofstra's program? Certainly.

Great answer. It's been done many, many times, especially in the soccer world, as I think you mentioned before...Thanks for your take on it Cage Sage!

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cage Sage - What's your opinion on how this will affect the Top Guns program?

Let me answer this question with another question.

There are plenty of "professional lacrosse coaches" that have other jobs. Whether a school teacher who augments their salary through club or High School coaching or a business man who runs an elite program during the summer, the individual balances both careers/roles. Do their "main jobs" impact their club programs?

There is nothing here that immediately suggests any impact to the Top Guns program. In fact, one could argue that Coach Smith's Long Island residency during the 30-weeks of class sessions will actually augment the Top Guns program.

Could the talent from the Top Guns have a pipeline from club ball into Hofstra's program? Certainly.

As a very proud yellow jacket parent, let me just say that I wish Smith the best of luck at Hofstra. I think it's great that long island has some really good choices for people that want to stay local. And I honestly believe that she will draw some good athletes to Hofstra. I teach my kids that when someone is knocking someone else down it's usually only to make themselves look better...I think that pertains to both sides here. Can we all grow up a little and show the kids that read these boards, and they do, what is really important here. Best of luck to Smith at Hofstra!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cage Sage - What's your opinion on how this will affect the Top Guns program?

Let me answer this question with another question.

There are plenty of "professional lacrosse coaches" that have other jobs. Whether a school teacher who augments their salary through club or High School coaching or a business man who runs an elite program during the summer, the individual balances both careers/roles. Do their "main jobs" impact their club programs?

There is nothing here that immediately suggests any impact to the Top Guns program. In fact, one could argue that Coach Smith's Long Island residency during the 30-weeks of class sessions will actually augment the Top Guns program.

Could the talent from the Top Guns have a pipeline from club ball into Hofstra's program? Certainly.

As a very proud yellow jacket parent, let me just say that I wish Smith the best of luck at Hofstra. I think it's great that long island has some really good choices for people that want to stay local. And I honestly believe that she will draw some good athletes to Hofstra. I teach my kids that when someone is knocking someone else down it's usually only to make themselves look better...I think that pertains to both sides here. Can we all grow up a little and show the kids that read these boards, and they do, what is really important here. Best of luck to Smith at Hofstra!

As a TG parent I love your post and agree whole heartedly. Hope the rest can do the same.

I'm new to the travel lax world. Just wondering does Top Guns start for girls entering fifth grade or do they have a little Guns developmental program also. Thank you.

I too am a TG parent and really appreciate your comment. When it comes down to it, we really need to be positive role models for the girls that read these posts and realize that both clubs have some great athletes. One day, girls from both clubs can turn out being teammates in HS or in college.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm new to the travel lax world. Just wondering does Top Guns start for girls entering fifth grade or do they have a little Guns developmental program also. Thank you.

Yes it does start with girls going into 5th grade, but they typically have a handful of younger kids who tryout and make the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm new to the travel lax world. Just wondering does Top Guns start for girls entering fifth grade or do they have a little Guns developmental program also. Thank you.

Yes it does start with girls going into 5th grade, but they typically have a handful of younger kids who tryout and make the team.

Close but not quite, try outs for this club are just after summer travel ends in august, within the next week or two in fact. The youngest team they host are girls going into 6th grade, 2019 this past summer as an example. But girls going into 5th tryout and by summer tournament time they are going into 6th. And yes they typically have a few girls playing up a year only to fall into the proper age group the following year.

How many spots are available on 2015 black? purple? Last year tryouts were horrible and a total waste of time. Will it be the same this year or will kids actually get a chance to play?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many spots are available on 2015 black? purple? Last year tryouts were horrible and a total waste of time. Will it be the same this year or will kids actually get a chance to play?

Shouldn't every spot be available? Doesn't every girl have to really try out or are spots guaranteed to past players? If only certain spots are up will there be a posting as to what positions are in play ? My daughter is a goalie will she be given a fair chance or are they just taking peoples money?

very little movement and then people can also refuse to move if chosen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many spots are available on 2015 black? purple? Last year tryouts were horrible and a total waste of time. Will it be the same this year or will kids actually get a chance to play?

WOW this is the same post on the Yellow Jackets? Just added Black and Purple.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many spots are available on 2015 black? purple? Last year tryouts were horrible and a total waste of time. Will it be the same this year or will kids actually get a chance to play?

You know this exact comment is on the YJ thread as well. Interesting. There is movement on the Top Guns 2015 team.

This summer's 2019 teams had 2020 girls playing. The 2019 will move up (if pass tryouts) and the 2020 will become the newer team (after tryouts)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many spots are available on 2015 black? purple? Last year tryouts were horrible and a total waste of time. Will it be the same this year or will kids actually get a chance to play?

You know this exact comment is on the YJ thread as well. Interesting. There is move ent on the Top Guns 2015 team.

I posted the question here. I did not post it on the YJ thread. (Seems someone looking to start trouble on the YJ thread.) I am just looking for some information and I still don't think the question was answered. The way I am reading it is that there is movement but you don't have to move? Can someone please explain?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many spots are available on 2015 black? purple? Last year tryouts were horrible and a total waste of time. Will it be the same this year or will kids actually get a chance to play?

You know this exact comment is on the YJ thread as well. Interesting. There is move ent on the Top Guns 2015 team.

I posted the question here. I did not post it on the YJ thread. (Seems someone looking to start trouble on the YJ thread.) I am just looking for some information and I still don't think the question was answered. The way I am reading it is that there is movement but you don't have to move? Can someone please explain?

What's the question?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many spots are available on 2015 black? purple? Last year tryouts were horrible and a total waste of time. Will it be the same this year or will kids actually get a chance to play?

You know this exact comment is on the YJ thread as well. Interesting. There is move ent on the Top Guns 2015 team.

I posted the question here. I did not post it on the YJ thread. (Seems someone looking to start trouble on the YJ thread.) I am just looking for some information and I still don't think the question was answered. The way I am reading it is that there is movement but you don't have to move? Can someone please explain?

What's the question?

How many spots are available on 2015 black? Purple? Just follow the thread! Last year was a waste of time with teams already chosen. Is it worth it this year? Not bashing just asking

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This summer's 2019 teams had 2020 girls playing. The 2019 will move up (if pass tryouts) and the 2020 will become the newer team (after tryouts)

Don't bet on it, A select few will get to choose what team they play on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I posted the question here. I did not post it on the YJ thread. (Seems someone looking to start trouble on the YJ thread.) I am just looking for some information and I still don't think the question was answered. The way I am reading it is that there is movement but you don't have to move? Can someone please explain?

My two cents is, and this goes for any team in any club, that there is always room for more talent. If the tryers-out are at the same level as last year's members then they won't get a spot because there's nothing to gain and a little to lose in terms of team solidarity and gel. If the tryers-out are more skilled and have something the team needs, they earn a spot on the team.

My theory doesn't account for political connections, nor for a talented girl with baggage (aka parents with demands). Either of those situations will factor in as well.

Your mileage may vary, take what I say with a grain of salt because I've never run a tryout or had to make the picks. But I've had several kids go through the process for many years, across sports, and that's they way I've seen it play out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many spots are available on 2015 black? purple? Last year tryouts were horrible and a total waste of time. Will it be the same this year or will kids actually get a chance to play?

I have to believe that if an unknown "great" player showed up for the tryout she would be offered a spot, I think the push this year is to beat the Maryland teams, you can't accomplish that if you don't take the best players. For Black team players on the bubble a move to purple is a definite possibility, For Purple team players on the bubble...I'm not sure what they will do, I would not like to them add another color team, as we've seen what a mess that creates.
yeah I know about politics..but how many people are really that hooked up?
at the end of the day it's a business and businesses make money, and successful (winning teams) make the most money

I have posted this tought before on tryouts. There are no spots open on any of the black teams unless a player decides to leave, all new tryout players as well as purple team players are gunning to take someone's position. So in effect they are competing against existing players. Here is where parents get funny. First parents have parent goggles on, that aside it is hard to get a good sense of a player purely from a tryout. A kid can light it up on all the skill drill stations then get to scrimmage and never touch ball. You also have many kids who may not skill drill well but put them in a real game and they become beasts. And I see kids that practice and drill well, dissappear come game time. Existing players are known quantities, tryout kids are a gamble so unless someone is just head and shoulders above, its barely worth the risk of a mild upgrade that may not work out. Parents of the kids are a known quantity as well so the risk is also there picking up nightmare parents. So to sum it up, there will always be room for stud players on any team and any club for that matter, marginal upgrades will likely be passed on because they are a risk and they dont want to upset team by showing no loyalty to players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many spots are available on 2015 black? purple? Last year tryouts were horrible and a total waste of time. Will it be the same this year or will kids actually get a chance to play?

I have to believe that if an unknown "great" player showed up for the tryout she would be offered a spot, I think the push this year is to beat the Maryland teams, you can't accomplish that if you don't take the best players. For Black team players on the bubble a move to purple is a definite possibility, For Purple team players on the bubble...I'm not sure what they will do, I would not like to them add another color team, as we've seen what a mess that creates.
yeah I know about politics..but how many people are really that hooked up?
at the end of the day it's a business and businesses make money, and successful (winning teams) make the most money

What mess have you seen adding another team creates.Why would adding a team for the less accomplished players have to create problems so long as there are enough interested players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many spots are available on 2015 black? purple? Last year tryouts were horrible and a total waste of time. Will it be the same this year or will kids actually get a chance to play?

I have to believe that if an unknown "great" player showed up for the tryout she would be offered a spot, I think the push this year is to beat the Maryland teams, you can't accomplish that if you don't take the best players. For Black team players on the bubble a move to purple is a definite possibility, For Purple team players on the bubble...I'm not sure what they will do, I would not like to them add another color team, as we've seen what a mess that creates.
yeah I know about politics..but how many people are really that hooked up?
at the end of the day it's a business and businesses make money, and successful (winning teams) make the most money

What mess have you seen adding another team creates.Why would adding a team for the less accomplished players have to create problems so long as there are enough interested players.

I am a fan of a 2 team system Call it A and B, Black and Purple, whatever, when you start adding more than that the brand gets diluted. In my perfect world (remember this is my opinion) the A team roster is a little smaller more playing time for each kid, less substitutions etc. and the B team roster is a little larger more developmental to see where the cream rises to the top, the top B team players would fill in the A team roster at tournaments due to injury or availability etc. what is the value to player (and parents) of being on the C or D team, is the quality of coaches there? Are the club directors involved in their development? Or is it about money? That�s the mess as I see it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many spots are available on 2015 black? purple? Last year tryouts were horrible and a total waste of time. Will it be the same this year or will kids actually get a chance to play?

I have to believe that if an unknown "great" player showed up for the tryout she would be offered a spot, I think the push this year is to beat the Maryland teams, you can't accomplish that if you don't take the best players. For Black team players on the bubble a move to purple is a definite possibility, For Purple team players on the bubble...I'm not sure what they will do, I would not like to them add another color team, as we've seen what a mess that creates.
yeah I know about politics..but how many people are really that hooked up?
at the end of the day it's a business and businesses make money, and successful (winning teams) make the most money

What mess have you seen adding another team creates.Why would adding a team for the less accomplished players have to create problems so long as there are enough interested players.

I am a fan of a 2 team system Call it A and B, Black and Purple, whatever, when you start adding more than that the brand gets diluted. In my perfect world (remember this is my opinion) the A team roster is a little smaller more playing time for each kid, less substitutions etc. and the B team roster is a little larger more developmental to see where the cream rises to the top, the top B team players would fill in the A team roster at tournaments due to injury or availability etc. what is the value to player (and parents) of being on the C or D team, is the quality of coaches there? Are the club directors involved in their development? Or is it about money? That�s the mess as I see it.

I am also a fan of keeping it to 2 teams, however I think players should not be "called up" to the A team on a temporary basis to fill in at a tournament, that's not fair to a solid B team that looses it top players whenever the A team needs a boost. B teams that are built to be solid teams should stay intact for the season and let adjustments be made at tryouts the following year, if no conflict with schedules, by all means bring them up for the challenge, otherwise treating B teams as a practice squad just reinforces the second class citizen feeling that is inherent with being a clubs b team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This summer's 2019 teams had 2020 girls playing. The 2019 will move up (if pass tryouts) and the 2020 will become the newer team (after tryouts)

Don't bet on it, A select few will get to choose what team they play on.

That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This summer's 2019 teams had 2020 girls playing. The 2019 will move up (if pass tryouts) and the 2020 will become the newer team (after tryouts)

Don't bet on it, A select few will get to choose what team they play on.

That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".

Top Guns, Will put their players in their correct age group. They will NOT push a players up or down to build up a team. That is fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".

In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.

We've been with TG for a few years and I must say that the behavior of some coaches has gotten worse. This year I was dissapointed to see one of the coaches from a younger TG tteam on the sidlines sitting in a chair with his feet up drinking beer out of a plastic cup like he was at a Jet/Giant game. Then to watch him stagger over to the next game to watch his sisters next game was sad. I hope this get addressed at next years team orientation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We've been with TG for a few years and I must say that the behavior of some coaches has gotten worse. This year I was dissapointed to see one of the coaches from a younger TG tteam on the sidlines sitting in a chair with his feet up drinking beer out of a plastic cup like he was at a Jet/Giant game. Then to watch him stagger over to the next game to watch his sisters next game was sad. I hope this get addressed at next years team orientation.

Name the age group and/or the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We've been with TG for a few years and I must say that the behavior of some coaches has gotten worse. This year I was dissapointed to see one of the coaches from a younger TG tteam on the sidlines sitting in a chair with his feet up drinking beer out of a plastic cup like he was at a Jet/Giant game. Then to watch him stagger over to the next game to watch his sisters next game was sad. I hope this get addressed at next years team orientation.

Calling BS on this one. A near identical post is on the YJ thread naming a parent instead. Someone stirring the pot. This is a serious allegation aimed at a coach. Can you identify this poster Cage? This type of post serves no purpose and is seemingly from the same person. Help the community stop these type of posts.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We've been with TG for a few years and I must say that the behavior of some coaches has gotten worse. This year I was dissapointed to see one of the coaches from a younger TG tteam on the sidlines sitting in a chair with his feet up drinking beer out of a plastic cup like he was at a Jet/Giant game. Then to watch him stagger over to the next game to watch his sisters next game was sad. I hope this get addressed at next years team orientation.

Name the age group and/or the team.

This post is on the YJ thread.
"We've been with YJ for a few years and I must say that the behavior of some parents has gotten worse. This year I was dissapointed to see one of the mothers from a younger YJ team on the sidlines sitting in a chair with her feet up drinking beer out of a plastic cup like she was at a Jet/Giant game. Then to watch her stagger over to the next field to watch her daughters next game was sad. I hope this get addressed at next years team orientation."

Cmon....anyone agree this is the same person starting S@&T. This persons kids must be charming. Some people shouldn't be allowed to procreate!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Calling BS on this one. A near identical post is on the YJ thread naming a parent instead. Someone stirring the pot. This is a serious allegation aimed at a coach. Can you identify this poster Cage? This type of post serves no purpose and is seemingly from the same person. Help the community stop these type of posts.

There are two unique posters and one copied from the other and changed the team references. BOTC will handle this one - thanks for the catch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This summer's 2019 teams had 2020 girls playing. The 2019 will move up (if pass tryouts) and the 2020 will become the newer team (after tryouts)

Don't bet on it, A select few will get to choose what team they play on.

That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".

Top Guns, Will put their players in their correct age group. They will NOT push a players up or down to build up a team. That is fact.

How many 2020's are on the 2019 team?

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Calling BS on this one. A near identical post is on the YJ thread naming a parent instead. Someone stirring the pot. This is a serious allegation aimed at a coach. Can you identify this poster Cage? This type of post serves no purpose and is seemingly from the same person. Help the community stop these type of posts.

There are two unique posters and one copied from the other and changed the team references. BOTC will handle this one - thanks for the catch.

The same thing happened last week. I posted a question on TG about 2015 available spots. It was copied almost exactly on YJ thread. We have a copy cat on our hands!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This summer's 2019 teams had 2020 girls playing. The 2019 will move up (if pass tryouts) and the 2020 will become the newer team (after tryouts)

Don't bet on it, A select few will get to choose what team they play on.

That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".

Top Guns, Will put their players in their correct age group. They will NOT push a players up or down to build up a team. That is fact.

How many 2020's are on the 2019 team?

There were 6 or 7 2020 girls on the 2019 team. I know at least some of the parents of the 2020 girls are not expecting their daughters to move up with the 2019 but I do not think that it the case for all of them!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This summer's 2019 teams had 2020 girls playing. The 2019 will move up (if pass tryouts) and the 2020 will become the newer team (after tryouts)

Don't bet on it, A select few will get to choose what team they play on.

That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".

Top Guns, Will put their players in their correct age group. They will NOT push a players up or down to build up a team. That is fact.

How many 2020's are on the 2019 team?

There were 5 or 6 girls playing up on 2019 this past summer, all will be dropping to 2020 for next summer as it is the first year TG offer a team for that age group. I am certain there will be about the same number of 2021's playing with 2020's for next summer. YJ have an advantage over TG as they offer teams for girls at a younger age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This summer's 2019 teams had 2020 girls playing. The 2019 will move up (if pass tryouts) and the 2020 will become the newer team (after tryouts)

Don't bet on it, A select few will get to choose what team they play on.

That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".

Top Guns, Will put their players in their correct age group. They will NOT push a players up or down to build up a team. That is fact.

How many 2020's are on the 2019 team?

There were 5 or 6 girls playing up on 2019 this past summer, all will be dropping to 2020 for next summer as it is the first year TG offer a team for that age group. I am certain there will be about the same number of 2021's playing with 2020's for next summer. YJ have an advantage over TG as they offer teams for girls at a younger age.

What's the advantage? They have no teams there age to play, most tournaments start with girls going into 7th grade, so even the 2019's played up more than half of there games, 2020's were sheep to the slaughter when they left LI for a tournament against 2018/2019 teams

YJ's are starting a todler program, TG's are way behind

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]This summer's 2019 teams had 2020 girls playing. The 2019 will move up (if pass tryouts) and the 2020 will become the newer team (after tryouts)

Don't bet on it, A select few will get to choose what team they play on.

That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".

Top Guns, Will put their players in their correct age group. They will NOT push a players up or down to build up a team. That is fact.

How many 2020's are on the 2019 team?

There were 5 or 6 girls playing up on 2019 this past summer, all will be dropping to 2020 for next summer as it is the first year TG offer a team for that age group. I am certain there will be about the same number of 2021's playing with 2020's for next summer. YJ have an advantage over TG as they offer teams for girls at a younger age.

Another advantage for the YJ is they offer the Hornets developmental program for girls grade 2 and grade 3. If you get them in your program at a younger age they are likely to make friends there and not want to leave for another club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the advantage? They have no teams there age to play, most tournaments start with girls going into 7th grade, so even the 2019's played up more than half of there games, 2020's were sheep to the slaughter when they left LI for a tournament against 2018/2019 teams

The advantage is the girls are hooked earlier into a club. The young teams only go to a couple travel tournaments and mostly play each other anyway. But girls in the 3rd, 4th and even fifth grade are welcomed into the world of pay to play by yj where that is not an option with many other clubs. Parents and kids who are [lacrosse] bent to play will go to yj and likely stay there once they are in, thus the advantage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the advantage? They have no teams there age to play, most tournaments start with girls going into 7th grade, so even the 2019's played up more than half of there games, 2020's were sheep to the slaughter when they left LI for a tournament against 2018/2019 teams

The advantage is the girls are hooked earlier into a club. The young teams only go to a couple travel tournaments and mostly play each other anyway. But girls in the 3rd, 4th and even fifth grade are welcomed into the world of pay to play by yj where that is not an option with many other clubs. Parents and kids who are [lacrosse] bent to play will go to yj and likely stay there once they are in, thus the advantage.

This post doesn't even make sense! There were plenty of 2019 teams from all over that they were able to play! Plus the 2019 Black team did VERY well against all the 2018 teams that they played! It was no issue for the 2019 or 2020 girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the advantage? They have no teams there age to play, most tournaments start with girls going into 7th grade, so even the 2019's played up more than half of there games, 2020's were sheep to the slaughter when they left LI for a tournament against 2018/2019 teams

The advantage is the girls are hooked earlier into a club. The young teams only go to a couple travel tournaments and mostly play each other anyway. But girls in the 3rd, 4th and even fifth grade are welcomed into the world of pay to play by yj where that is not an option with many other clubs. Parents and kids who are [lacrosse] bent to play will go to yj and likely stay there once they are in, thus the advantage.

This poster is simply saying that if they matriculated younger kids that have no other options at the younger ages they will most likely stay with the club for the duration. This post is seems to be accurate and as the kids seeking travel play become younger and younger I anticipate teams forming for them from all clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the advantage? They have no teams there age to play, most tournaments start with girls going into 7th grade, so even the 2019's played up more than half of there games, 2020's were sheep to the slaughter when they left LI for a tournament against 2018/2019 teams

The advantage is the girls are hooked earlier into a club. The young teams only go to a couple travel tournaments and mostly play each other anyway. But girls in the 3rd, 4th and even fifth grade are welcomed into the world of pay to play by yj where that is not an option with many other clubs. Parents and kids who are [lacrosse] bent to play will go to yj and likely stay there once they are in, thus the advantage.

This post doesn't even make sense! There were plenty of 2019 teams from all over that they were able to play! Plus the 2019 Black team did VERY well against all the 2018 teams that they played! It was no issue for the 2019 or 2020 girls.

the reference was regarding the yj 2020 teams that were a waste of time and most parents of those kids would agree - they had know idea that they would be traveling to play themselves or get humiliated by 2018 and 2019 teams

yes they did. it's all about meeting new girls, and establishing themselves

The top 2020 YJ was competitive the other 2 teams not so much. It looked like these girls enjoyed themselves and I'm sure most of the will want to play again. This season won't be a waste for the YJ if these girls return and have a little experience under their belts for next season.

I personally know several people who were not happy about the way the entire season played out, will they leave? doubtful, but they will be paying much closer attention to the teams and how they're run in the 2013 season - yes. the yj 2020 teams looked like poorly coached PAL teams, an after thought for the club and financial subsidy for the older teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yes they did. it's all about meeting new girls, and establishing themselves

Then they should have stayed on LI and played all the local tournaments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The top 2020 YJ was competitive the other 2 teams not so much. It looked like these girls enjoyed themselves and I'm sure most of the will want to play again. This season won't be a waste for the YJ if these girls return and have a little experience under their belts for next season.

kids didnt have a clue, its all about parents egos

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the advantage? They have no teams there age to play, most tournaments start with girls going into 7th grade, so even the 2019's played up more than half of there games, 2020's were sheep to the slaughter when they left LI for a tournament against 2018/2019 teams

The advantage is the girls are hooked earlier into a club. The young teams only go to a couple travel tournaments and mostly play each other anyway. But girls in the 3rd, 4th and even fifth grade are welcomed into the world of pay to play by yj where that is not an option with many other clubs. Parents and kids who are [lacrosse] bent to play will go to yj and likely stay there once they are in, thus the advantage.

This post doesn't even make sense! There were plenty of 2019 teams from all over that they were able to play! Plus the 2019 Black team did VERY well against all the 2018 teams that they played! It was no issue for the 2019 or 2020 girls.

the reference was regarding the yj 2020 teams that were a waste of time and most parents of those kids would agree - they had know idea that they would be traveling to play themselves or get humiliated by 2018 and 2019 teams

Curious , how many tournaments did your 2018 TG team win,for that matter how many tournaments did your self proclaimed greatest team ever assembled 2019 team win.Cannot wait to see the connected few get to pick which age they want to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the advantage? They have no teams there age to play, most tournaments start with girls going into 7th grade, so even the 2019's played up more than half of there games, 2020's were sheep to the slaughter when they left LI for a tournament against 2018/2019 teams

The advantage is the girls are hooked earlier into a club. The young teams only go to a couple travel tournaments and mostly play each other anyway. But girls in the 3rd, 4th and even fifth grade are welcomed into the world of pay to play by yj where that is not an option with many other clubs. Parents and kids who are [lacrosse] bent to play will go to yj and likely stay there once they are in, thus the advantage.

This post doesn't even make sense! There were plenty of 2019 teams from all over that they were able to play! Plus the 2019 Black team did VERY well against all the 2018 teams that they played! It was no issue for the 2019 or 2020 girls.

the reference was regarding the yj 2020 teams that were a waste of time and most parents of those kids would agree - they had know idea that they would be traveling to play themselves or get humiliated by 2018 and 2019 teams

Curious , how many tournaments did your 2018 TG team win,for that matter how many tournaments did your self proclaimed greatest team ever assembled 2019 team win.Cannot wait to see the connected few get to pick which age they want to play.

2018? 2019? 12 and 11 year olds right? Don't know exactly about the wins but how does it feel to be known as an obnoxious egotistical parent who concentrates only on winning at all costs for 11 and 12 year olds? The entire lax world sees your club in this light. That must feel great having to make excuses like...that's cause we win and look at our college commit list etc.....no it's because you simply are what everyone says...just listen...from NY to NJ to VA to MD. You are classless. Good luck!

2018? 2019? 12 and 11 year olds right? Don't know exactly about the wins but how does it feel to be known as an obnoxious egotistical parent who concentrates only on winning at all costs for 11 and 12 year olds? The entire lax world sees your club in this light. That must feel great having to make excuses like...that's cause we win and look at our college commit list etc.....no it's because you simply are what everyone says...just listen...from NY to NJ to VA to MD. You are classless.

Funny thing the only people talking about the level of competition of the younger teams in a negative way were your TG parents. To he person going after the younger YJ coaches anytime you feel like comparing bios of your younger TG coaches feel free. I read your youngest teams head coach bio on your website, you could not even make up enough stuff to make it seem they have any business coaching girls lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the advantage? They have no teams there age to play, most tournaments start with girls going into 7th grade, so even the 2019's played up more than half of there games, 2020's were sheep to the slaughter when they left LI for a tournament against 2018/2019 teams

The advantage is the girls are hooked earlier into a club. The young teams only go to a couple travel tournaments and mostly play each other anyway. But girls in the 3rd, 4th and even fifth grade are welcomed into the world of pay to play by yj where that is not an option with many other clubs. Parents and kids who are [lacrosse] bent to play will go to yj and likely stay there once they are in, thus the advantage.

This post doesn't even make sense! There were plenty of 2019 teams from all over that they were able to play! Plus the 2019 Black team did VERY well against all the 2018 teams that they played! It was no issue for the 2019 or 2020 girls.

the reference was regarding the yj 2020 teams that were a waste of time and most parents of those kids would agree - they had know idea that they would be traveling to play themselves or get humiliated by 2018 and 2019 teams

Curious , how many tournaments did your 2018 TG team win,for that matter how many tournaments did your self proclaimed greatest team ever assembled 2019 team win.Cannot wait to see the connected few get to pick which age they want to play.

I have seen both these teams play and they are both very good. Best of the age groups? Who knows who cares. I think I heard 2018 only lost a single, close game all year, and the 2019s only lost a hanful. I also follow this thread and the self proclaimed thing actually came from posts from other people saying the 2019 parents think this and that. Now your spinning it to suit your needs. If that's what you need to do to stir the pot, have fun. Don't you have anything better to do today?

Wheres the animosity everyone keeps talking about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wheres the animosity everyone keeps talking about?

That's over on the YJ thread. It breeds over there! Along with denial and obnoxiousness!

No. I believe all the hatred comes from uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018? 2019? 12 and 11 year olds right? Don't know exactly about the wins but how does it feel to be known as an obnoxious egotistical parent who concentrates only on winning at all costs for 11 and 12 year olds? The entire lax world sees your club in this light. That must feel great having to make excuses like...that's cause we win and look at our college commit list etc.....no it's because you simply are what everyone says...just listen...from NY to NJ to VA to MD. You are classless.

Funny thing the only people talking about the level of competition of the younger teams in a negative way were your TG parents. To he person going after the younger YJ coaches anytime you feel like comparing bios of your younger TG coaches feel free. I read your youngest teams head coach bio on your website, you could not even make up enough stuff to make it seem they have any business coaching girls lacrosse.

Go look on your own thread parents are throwing YJ coaches under the bus left and right - 2020's, 2017's, 2015's and on and on - more complaints then I can count. The 2019 TG team was 28-2 over the summer, only loses coming to 2018 teams in playoffs, other than that there were three or four other games that were competitive and the rest were all double digit blowouts - it got to the point where the girls played left handed for the second half of most games! All you YJ parents have bought into the mindset of if we put the yj uniform on we will all be great and win every game we play because we're the YJ - guess what it doesn't work like that, but keep writing checks (they would like to have 100 girls registered for each age group) and maybe some day your daughter will be able to catch and throw with the players...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the advantage? They have no teams there age to play, most tournaments start with girls going into 7th grade, so even the 2019's played up more than half of there games, 2020's were sheep to the slaughter when they left LI for a tournament against 2018/2019 teams

The advantage is the girls are hooked earlier into a club. The young teams only go to a couple travel tournaments and mostly play each other anyway. But girls in the 3rd, 4th and even fifth grade are welcomed into the world of pay to play by yj where that is not an option with many other clubs. Parents and kids who are [lacrosse] bent to play will go to yj and likely stay there once they are in, thus the advantage.

This post doesn't even make sense! There were plenty of 2019 teams from all over that they were able to play! Plus the 2019 Black team did VERY well against all the 2018 teams that they played! It was no issue for the 2019 or 2020 girls.

the reference was regarding the yj 2020 teams that were a waste of time and most parents of those kids would agree - they had know idea that they would be traveling to play themselves or get humiliated by 2018 and 2019 teams

Curious , how many tournaments did your 2018 TG team win,for that matter how many tournaments did your self proclaimed greatest team ever assembled 2019 team win.Cannot wait to see the connected few get to pick which age they want to play.

I have seen both these teams play and they are both very good. Best of the age groups? Who knows who cares. I think I heard 2018 only lost a single, close game all year, and the 2019s only lost a hanful. I also follow this thread and the self proclaimed thing actually came from posts from other people saying the 2019 parents think this and that. Now your spinning it to suit your needs. If that's what you need to do to stir the pot, have fun. Don't you have anything better to do today?

The answer to your question is no chance.They have both lost to teams their own age and 2018 has never beaten YJ 2018 and have played multiple times.No YJ 2018 is not the best in this age group either.Actually according to your own 2019 parents they would beat your own 2018 team. MD clearly better then your LI teams in all age groups.

Stop with the 2019 would win vs 2018TG, the game would not be very close, the teams have about equal talent for their age and one year is a big difference

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop with the 2019 would win vs 2018TG, the game would not be very close, the teams have about equal talent for their age and one year is a big difference

Why don't you all shut up with the who beat who crap. Teach yourselves some sportsmanship and class then pass it to your girls. Don't let he YJ posters bring TGs down to their level. They have their own thread for that. IGNORE THEIR POSTS. That's how you get rid of pests! Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop with the 2019 would win vs 2018TG, the game would not be very close, the teams have about equal talent for their age and one year is a big difference

Why don't you all shut up with the who beat who crap. Teach yourselves some sportsmanship and class then pass it to your girls. Don't let he YJ posters bring TGs down to their level. They have their own thread for that. IGNORE THEIR POSTS. That's how you get rid of pests! Lol

you're kidding, right? get off your high horse, don't pretend for a minute that it's not a tg parent posting on yj thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop with the 2019 would win vs 2018TG, the game would not be very close, the teams have about equal talent for their age and one year is a big difference

Why don't you all shut up with the who beat who crap. Teach yourselves some sportsmanship and class then pass it to your girls. Don't let he YJ posters bring TGs down to their level. They have their own thread for that. IGNORE THEIR POSTS. That's how you get rid of pests! Lol

Isn't that the same technique you used for gum disease.

Who ever wrote this post doesn't know what they're talking about. The tg 2018 black has only played the yj 2018 1 time in the the two years the team has been together. At that, they tied the game 2-2 at the National Draw. They are equally talented teams. In addition, tg 2018 also tied Sky walkers blue at the same tournament that Skywalkers beat yj 2018. Furthermore, tg 2018 only lost the MD 2018 black by 1 goal at a tournament this past summer. They are all up there in talent.

This is the first time I have been on the BOTC and I am SHOCKED at what I have read! I can not believe this stuff is written by ADULTS! We are supposed to be the mature ones, aren't we?
-Every club has it's positives and negatives no matter where you are
-People knowing people and being "connected" is a part of life, it happens everywhere you go! so deal with it
-We as the parents of these girls choose to have our girls play where they play for a reason - because we feel it's the best place for them to be!
-All of these clubs are businesses and therefore are going to make money- you have a choice if you put your child in travel lacrosse or not. I have yet to find the free one that does it out of the kindness in their hearts!
-So, if your DAUGHTER is happy where she is, if your DAUGHTER has learned something and improved her skills and your DAUGHTER likes the girls she plays with and her coaches then good job mom & dad your daughter is in the right place for HER!!! There is NO need for us as adults to keep bashing other girls and their clubs, regardless of which club they are in.
-There are VERY talented girls on all teams from all clubs let's just be happy for them and celebrate their successes, in an adult way!!
HAPPY LAXING TO ALL THE GIRLS!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is the first time I have been on the BOTC and I am SHOCKED at what I have read! I can not believe this stuff is written by ADULTS! We are supposed to be the mature ones, aren't we?
-Every club has it's positives and negatives no matter where you are
-People knowing people and being "connected" is a part of life, it happens everywhere you go! so deal with it
-We as the parents of these girls choose to have our girls play where they play for a reason - because we feel it's the best place for them to be!
-All of these clubs are businesses and therefore are going to make money- you have a choice if you put your child in travel lacrosse or not. I have yet to find the free one that does it out of the kindness in their hearts!
-So, if your DAUGHTER is happy where she is, if your DAUGHTER has learned something and improved her skills and your DAUGHTER likes the girls she plays with and her coaches then good job mom & dad your daughter is in the right place for HER!!! There is NO need for us as adults to keep bashing other girls and their clubs, regardless of which club they are in.
-There are VERY talented girls on all teams from all clubs let's just be happy for them and celebrate their successes, in an adult way!!
HAPPY LAXING TO ALL THE GIRLS!!!

You aren't going to do well here LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is the first time I have been on the BOTC and I am SHOCKED at what I have read! I can not believe this stuff is written by ADULTS! We are supposed to be the mature ones, aren't we?
-Every club has it's positives and negatives no matter where you are
-People knowing people and being "connected" is a part of life, it happens everywhere you go! so deal with it
-We as the parents of these girls choose to have our girls play where they play for a reason - because we feel it's the best place for them to be!
-All of these clubs are businesses and therefore are going to make money- you have a choice if you put your child in travel lacrosse or not. I have yet to find the free one that does it out of the kindness in their hearts!
-So, if your DAUGHTER is happy where she is, if your DAUGHTER has learned something and improved her skills and your DAUGHTER likes the girls she plays with and her coaches then good job mom & dad your daughter is in the right place for HER!!! There is NO need for us as adults to keep bashing other girls and their clubs, regardless of which club they are in.
-There are VERY talented girls on all teams from all clubs let's just be happy for them and celebrate their successes, in an adult way!!
HAPPY LAXING TO ALL THE GIRLS!!!

You aren't going to do well here LOL

This IS the WRONG place for eloquent cyber SHOUTING!!!!!! Lol

May not bother you that kids that are connected get to pick what age and team they play on but when their decision keeps your kid off the better team it is unfair.Yes connected people get favored treatment in most aspects of life but it does not make it right.

By no means do I think this is OK or right! But it does happen in MANY different aspects of life! So, if you are going to continue to play on these types of teams it is something that you will continue to deal with! Right - no but part of life - yes!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

May not bother you that kids that are connected get to pick what age and team they play on but when their decision keeps your kid off the better team it is unfair.Yes connected people get favored treatment in most aspects of life but it does not make it right.

Let's be real how many kids on a team of 20-24 are really that connected? Probably 4-5 tops and that still leaves plenty of spots available for other kids! If your kid is talented enough they will make the better team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

May not bother you that kids that are connected get to pick what age and team they play on but when their decision keeps your kid off the better team it is unfair.Yes connected people get favored treatment in most aspects of life but it does not make it right.

Let's be real how many kids on a team of 20-24 are really that connected? Probably 4-5 tops and that still leaves plenty of spots available for other kids! If your kid is talented enough they will make the better team.

Let's use your number of 5 , then 5 kids who should have made the team do not.Playing with better players tends to make you a better player, so the border line top team kids who could use the this opportunity don't get the chance.You had a number of 2020 kids placed on the 2019 top team, a few of them were good enough but most had connections.These kids took the place of several 2019 kids and will now hopefully be placed in their proper age group,Apparently your kid is so good they have no worries or maybe you are one of the connected ones.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

May not bother you that kids that are connected get to pick what age and team they play on but when their decision keeps your kid off the better team it is unfair.Yes connected people get favored treatment in most aspects of life but it does not make it right.

Let's be real how many kids on a team of 20-24 are really that connected? Probably 4-5 tops and that still leaves plenty of spots available for other kids! If your kid is talented enough they will make the better team.

Let's use your number of 5 , then 5 kids who should have made the team do not.Playing with better players tends to make you a better player, so the border line top team kids who could use the this opportunity don't get the chance.You had a number of 2020 kids placed on the 2019 top team, a few of them were good enough but most had connections.These kids took the place of several 2019 kids and will now hopefully be placed in their proper age group,Apparently your kid is so good they have no worries or maybe you are one of the connected ones.

First of all my kid was not even on the 2019 team. Secondly, my kid is not connected in anyway she tried out and made her team on her own ability. I agree with you 100% that kids should play with there own age group when there is a team for their age- whatever age that is. It was obviously the clubs decision to put 2020 kids with 2019 kids so if you're that unhappy about it you should speak with them regarding how you feel! From what I heard there will be 2021 kids that play up with the 2020 girls next year. It is what it is for that one year and then the girls should play with only their own age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

May not bother you that kids that are connected get to pick what age and team they play on but when their decision keeps your kid off the better team it is unfair.Yes connected people get favored treatment in most aspects of life but it does not make it right.

Let's be real how many kids on a team of 20-24 are really that connected? Probably 4-5 tops and that still leaves plenty of spots available for other kids! If your kid is talented enough they will make the better team.

Let's use your number of 5 , then 5 kids who should have made the team do not.Playing with better players tends to make you a better player, so the border line top team kids who could use the this opportunity don't get the chance.You had a number of 2020 kids placed on the 2019 top team, a few of them were good enough but most had connections.These kids took the place of several 2019 kids and will now hopefully be placed in their proper age group,Apparently your kid is so good they have no worries or maybe you are one of the connected ones.

We got people whinning and crying and tryouts haven't even been held yet. Wait two weeks and watch how much people come on here and [lacrosse] about unfair this and that, try out fees, politics and on and on. It is what it is and its the same with every club you go, suck it up and deal with it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

May not bother you that kids that are connected get to pick what age and team they play on but when their decision keeps your kid off the better team it is unfair.Yes connected people get favored treatment in most aspects of life but it does not make it right.

Let's be real how many kids on a team of 20-24 are really that connected? Probably 4-5 tops and that still leaves plenty of spots available for other kids! If your kid is talented enough they will make the better team.

Let's use your number of 5 , then 5 kids who should have made the team do not.Playing with better players tends to make you a better player, so the border line top team kids who could use the this opportunity don't get the chance.You had a number of 2020 kids placed on the 2019 top team, a few of them were good enough but most had connections.These kids took the place of several 2019 kids and will now hopefully be placed in their proper age group,Apparently your kid is so good they have no worries or maybe you are one of the connected ones.

We got people whinning and crying and tryouts haven't even been held yet. Wait two weeks and watch how much people come on here and [lacrosse] about unfair this and that, try out fees, politics and on and on. It is what it is and its the same with every club you go, suck it up and deal with it.

You are ABSOLUTELY right about that! Stop complaining and play somewhere else if you're not happy but it is the same at all clubs!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

May not bother you that kids that are connected get to pick what age and team they play on but when their decision keeps your kid off the better team it is unfair.Yes connected people get favored treatment in most aspects of life but it does not make it right.

Let's be real how many kids on a team of 20-24 are really that connected? Probably 4-5 tops and that still leaves plenty of spots available for other kids! If your kid is talented enough they will make the better team.

Let's use your number of 5 , then 5 kids who should have made the team do not.Playing with better players tends to make you a better player, so the border line top team kids who could use the this opportunity don't get the chance.You had a number of 2020 kids placed on the 2019 top team, a few of them were good enough but most had connections.These kids took the place of several 2019 kids and will now hopefully be placed in their proper age group,Apparently your kid is so good they have no worries or maybe you are one of the connected ones.

We got people whinning and crying and tryouts haven't even been held yet. Wait two weeks and watch how much people come on here and [lacrosse] about unfair this and that, try out fees, politics and on and on. It is what it is and its the same with every club you go, suck it up and deal with it.

You are ABSOLUTELY right about that! Stop complaining and play somewhere else if you're not happy but it is the same at all clubs!!

no its not

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".

In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.

thats false.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".

In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.

thats false.

I am familiar with most, but not all teams, as far as I know this is true. Other than younger kids playing up for the first year available, where is this happening? What age group/ team are yolu refering to? (Not that it matters anyway)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.

thats false.

Are you still talking about 2019? Tell me where girls play up in the upper ages.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.

thats false.

Are you still talking about 2019? Tell me where girls play up in the upper ages.

I do not think any girls play up except at the youngest group and then it's only for 1 year.

Connections do help, no matter what league you�re in. I know there are a few girls on a YJ Blue team because their Uncle or their father�s friend coaches one of the older YJ teams. There are girls on the YJ Gold Team that are better than these girls, but don't have the connections to get placed on the Blue team. Unfortunately, that�s just how it is and you have to deal with it. When I was a kid (I'm 40) and played little league, it was always the coaches kid who got to pitch or play quarterback, so I don't think this will ever change.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.

thats false.

Are you still talking about 2019? Tell me where girls play up in the upper ages.

Older kids are played up by necessity on weak teams in weak clubs. Strong clubs don't play kids up because they don't have to. If your club's playing kids up, I'd get out.

one caveat, all good clubs that I know of do allow kids to "play-up" on thier youngest age group team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.

thats false.

Are you still talking about 2019? Tell me where girls play up in the upper ages.

Older kids are played up by necessity on weak teams in weak clubs. Strong clubs don't play kids up because they don't have to. If your club's playing kids up, I'd get out.

one caveat, all good clubs that I know of do allow kids to "play-up" on thier youngest age group team.

Really....why does that YJ goalie play up? 2014 team. Amongst others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.

thats false.

Are you still talking about 2019? Tell me where girls play up in the upper ages.

Older kids are played up by necessity on weak teams in weak clubs. Strong clubs don't play kids up because they don't have to. If your club's playing kids up, I'd get out.

one caveat, all good clubs that I know of do allow kids to "play-up" on thier youngest age group team.

Really....why does that YJ goalie play up? 2014 team. Amongst others.

Not too familiar with YJ other than they're a solid club we really look forward to playing, just popped onto the thread to look around. We've left clubs because they play kids up...IMO, it's a terrible policy. Hurts the younger teams far more than it helps the older teams as the kids will always be more competitive against younger competition. Encourages "me too" attitude and more parents start asking to have their kids play-up too and finally, the kids who play-up usually leave the club when they try to move them back down to the correct age group because they feel like they're being demoted. Maybe YJ have solved the problems of playing kids up, who knows. My girls play M&D and to my knowledge no kids play-up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.

thats false.

Are you still talking about 2019? Tell me where girls play up in the upper ages.

Older kids are played up by necessity on weak teams in weak clubs. Strong clubs don't play kids up because they don't have to. If your club's playing kids up, I'd get out.

one caveat, all good clubs that I know of do allow kids to "play-up" on thier youngest age group team.

Really....why does that YJ goalie play up? 2014 team. Amongst others.

That Goalie plays up because daddy is a varsity assistant coach on her high school team, where she has also played varsity since the 7th grade. Though a good goalie, she has more of an advantage because of her father. In any other school she maybe makes varsity as a freshman, but because of her dad and being in such a small district she has taken advantage of a good opportunity as we all would have. Truth be told she doesn't live up to the hype against bigger stronger schools, or in tournament. there are better goalies than her that don't have the same backing or name recognition, but are far better goalies.

That may be the single worst post on here.To single a young girl out on this site for your criticism is disgusting.Such an obvious jealous hateful person, your kid knows what type of person you are and I guarantee she is embarrassed of you.The kid you are talking about is a complete stud and deserves all the accolades she gets.If you were a YJ parent attacking one of our TG players this would make sense to me but it just goes to show even TG has parents who are complete morons.

Eh, no one knows who posted that, we're mostly all anon.

I've seen that goalie play, she's good. No need to dissect her game publicly. It sounds like sour grapes to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.

thats false.

Are you still talking about 2019? Tell me where girls play up in the upper ages.

Older kids are played up by necessity on weak teams in weak clubs. Strong clubs don't play kids up because they don't have to. If your club's playing kids up, I'd get out.

one caveat, all good clubs that I know of do allow kids to "play-up" on thier youngest age group team.

Really....why does that YJ goalie play up? 2014 team. Amongst others.

That Goalie plays up because daddy is a varsity assistant coach on her high school team, where she has also played varsity since the 7th grade. Though a good goalie, she has more of an advantage because of her father. In any other school she maybe makes varsity as a freshman, but because of her dad and being in such a small district she has taken advantage of a good opportunity as we all would have. Truth be told she doesn't live up to the hype against bigger stronger schools, or in tournament. there are better goalies than her that don't have the same backing or name recognition, but are far better goalies.

Are you kidding me?! Look at her bio and then you tell me she doesn't deserve to be there. she lives up to the hype and then some.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.

thats false.

Are you still talking about 2019? Tell me where girls play up in the upper ages.

Older kids are played up by necessity on weak teams in weak clubs. Strong clubs don't play kids up because they don't have to. If your club's playing kids up, I'd get out.

one caveat, all good clubs that I know of do allow kids to "play-up" on thier youngest age group team.

Really....why does that YJ goalie play up? 2014 team. Amongst others.

That Goalie plays up because daddy is a varsity assistant coach on her high school team, where she has also played varsity since the 7th grade. Though a good goalie, she has more of an advantage because of her father. In any other school she maybe makes varsity as a freshman, but because of her dad and being in such a small district she has taken advantage of a good opportunity as we all would have. Truth be told she doesn't live up to the hype against bigger stronger schools, or in tournament. there are better goalies than her that don't have the same backing or name recognition, but are far better goalies.

As a TG parent I can say the above post is NOT from a TG parent. We are not that way I hope. Someone starting trouble I'm sure.
That YJ goalie in question is really good. I have had the opportunity to get to know her Mom a bit while cheering on our goalies this season when playing against each other. I find myself rooting for her throughout the season and I am sure they do the same (as long as they are not playing each other, lol). That is called friendly, respectful competition! No one needs to single out a girl like that...especially a goalie. There is enough pressure playing that position as it is!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.

thats false.

Are you still talking about 2019? Tell me where girls play up in the upper ages.

Older kids are played up by necessity on weak teams in weak clubs. Strong clubs don't play kids up because they don't have to. If your club's playing kids up, I'd get out.

one caveat, all good clubs that I know of do allow kids to "play-up" on thier youngest age group team.

Really....why does that YJ goalie play up? 2014 team. Amongst others.

That Goalie plays up because daddy is a varsity assistant coach on her high school team, where she has also played varsity since the 7th grade. Though a good goalie, she has more of an advantage because of her father. In any other school she maybe makes varsity as a freshman, but because of her dad and being in such a small district she has taken advantage of a good opportunity as we all would have. Truth be told she doesn't live up to the hype against bigger stronger schools, or in tournament. there are better goalies than her that don't have the same backing or name recognition, but are far better goalies.

First of all,She is a great goalie and a better kid. Don't diminish her accomplishments for your own agenda! Next, I have only seen goalies play up in YJ's and it is pretty common.

Older kids are played up by necessity on weak teams in weak clubs. Strong clubs don't play kids up because they don't have to. If your club's playing kids up, I'd get out.

one caveat, all good clubs that I know of do allow kids to "play-up" on thier youngest age group team. [/quote]

Really....why does that YJ goalie play up? 2014 team. Amongst others. [/quote]That Goalie plays up because daddy is a varsity assistant coach on her high school team, where she has also played varsity since the 7th grade. Though a good goalie, she has more of an advantage because of her father. In any other school she maybe makes varsity as a freshman, but because of her dad and being in such a small district she has taken advantage of a good opportunity as we all would have. Truth be told she doesn't live up to the hype against bigger stronger schools, or in tournament. there are better goalies than her that don't have the same backing or name recognition, but are far better goalies. [/quote]
First of all,She is a great goalie and a better kid. Don't diminish her accomplishments for your own agenda! Next, I have only seen goalies play up in YJ's and it is pretty common. [/quote]No one said she was a bad girl or a bad goalie , just that her father is an A.C. for her school and therefore has a better P.R. machine, There are other goalies just as good and better at the same age in some peoples opinion, only those girls don't have the same advantage. Stop being so sensitive. It's actually stated that shes a good goalie, and it was in response to your question if I'm not mistaken Powder

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Older kids are played up by necessity on weak teams in weak clubs. Strong clubs don't play kids up because they don't have to. If your club's playing kids up, I'd get out.

one caveat, all good clubs that I know of do allow kids to "play-up" on thier youngest age group team.

Really....why does that YJ goalie play up? 2014 team. Amongst others. [/quote]That Goalie plays up because daddy is a varsity assistant coach on her high school team, where she has also played varsity since the 7th grade. Though a good goalie, she has more of an advantage because of her father. In any other school she maybe makes varsity as a freshman, but because of her dad and being in such a small district she has taken advantage of a good opportunity as we all would have. Truth be told she doesn't live up to the hype against bigger stronger schools, or in tournament. there are better goalies than her that don't have the same backing or name recognition, but are far better goalies. [/quote]
First of all,She is a great goalie and a better kid. Don't diminish her accomplishments for your own agenda! Next, I have only seen goalies play up in YJ's and it is pretty common. [/quote]No one said she was a bad girl or a bad goalie , just that her father is an A.C. for her school and therefore has a better P.R. machine, There are other goalies just as good and better at the same age in some peoples opinion, only those girls don't have the same advantage. Stop being so sensitive. It's actually stated that shes a good goalie, and it was in response to your question if I'm not mistaken Powder [/quote]

it's a poor attempt at a backhanded compliment. with or without her father she would be a successful goalie and athlete. One of the nicest families I have ever met also.

Well, okay, I guess you did cite an example of an older player playing up. And we've all agreed she's a good player, political connections aside.

So that's one instance of an older girl playing up. I still don't think it's rampant. All in all, I still don't think you see girls playing up *in any great numbers* in the older ages. It's the exception, not the rule, IMO. If I"m mistaken, I expect to hear about it here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Older kids are played up by necessity on weak teams in weak clubs. Strong clubs don't play kids up because they don't have to. If your club's playing kids up, I'd get out.

one caveat, all good clubs that I know of do allow kids to "play-up" on thier youngest age group team.

Really....why does that YJ goalie play up? 2014 team. Amongst others. [/quote]That Goalie plays up because daddy is a varsity assistant coach on her high school team, where she has also played varsity since the 7th grade. Though a good goalie, she has more of an advantage because of her father. In any other school she maybe makes varsity as a freshman, but because of her dad and being in such a small district she has taken advantage of a good opportunity as we all would have. Truth be told she doesn't live up to the hype against bigger stronger schools, or in tournament. there are better goalies than her that don't have the same backing or name recognition, but are far better goalies. [/quote]
First of all,She is a great goalie and a better kid. Don't diminish her accomplishments for your own agenda! Next, I have only seen goalies play up in YJ's and it is pretty common. [/quote]No one said she was a bad girl or a bad goalie , just that her father is an A.C. for her school and therefore has a better P.R. machine, There are other goalies just as good and better at the same age in some peoples opinion, only those girls don't have the same advantage. Stop being so sensitive. It's actually stated that shes a good goalie, and it was in response to your question if I'm not mistaken Powder [/quote]
PR machine? come on this is HS lax. The only goalie in her class from the 2015's is the Shoreham goalie. and I am a YJ parent. They are both great!

Goalie is the one position that playing up is understandable. Other positions have many girls and subs to mix and match, and positions are easier to fill. Face it there are only so many goalies out there, if a younger team has enough goalies to cover and one is brought up to fill a need that is acceptable. If she is brought up and is displacing an older goalie and/or leaving the younger team compromised, then it is not right. Not familiar with this instance but if nobody was displaced and the teams are better off, then it makes sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".

In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.

thats false.

So, if your not happy that your 2019 black team has 2020 players on it speak up to your coaches/directors or go to another club. Nobody is forcing you to write that check to Top Guns or anybody else for that matter

How is iy everything on a thread about TG gets turned to be about YJ.Maye the crazies out there saying we are obsessed with YJ aren't so crazy after all.Let's try to keep the discussion about things pertaining to TG.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is iy everything on a thread about TG gets turned to be about YJ.Maye the crazies out there saying we are obsessed with YJ aren't so crazy after all.Let's try to keep the discussion about things pertaining to TG.

Good idea! Let's stick to TG here!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is iy everything on a thread about TG gets turned to be about YJ.Maye the crazies out there saying we are obsessed with YJ aren't so crazy after all.Let's try to keep the discussion about things pertaining to TG.

Good idea! Let's stick to TG here!

Agreed - maybe it's YJ parents fighting amongst themselves on the TG thread? They should go fight on their own thread!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is iy everything on a thread about TG gets turned to be about YJ.Maye the crazies out there saying we are obsessed with YJ aren't so crazy after all.Let's try to keep the discussion about things pertaining to TG.

Good idea! Let's stick to TG here!

Agreed - maybe it's YJ parents fighting amongst themselves on the TG thread? They should go fight on their own thread!

You have to be joking, again making the conversation about that other team,stop obsessing.

lol cant help ourselves

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is iy everything on a thread about TG gets turned to be about YJ.Maye the crazies out there saying we are obsessed with YJ aren't so crazy after all.Let's try to keep the discussion about things pertaining to TG.

Good idea! Let's stick to TG here!

Agreed - maybe it's YJ parents fighting amongst themselves on the TG thread? They should go fight on their own thread!

You have to be joking, again making the conversation about that other team,stop obsessing.

Nope, not joking!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is iy everything on a thread about TG gets turned to be about YJ.Maye the crazies out there saying we are obsessed with YJ aren't so crazy after all.Let's try to keep the discussion about things pertaining to TG.

Good idea! Let's stick to TG here!

Agreed - maybe it's YJ parents fighting amongst themselves on the TG thread? They should go fight on their own thread!

You have to be joking, again making the conversation about that other team,stop obsessing.

Nope, not joking!!

You like to use the word obsess often huh? Lol. Oh yeah and you spend lots of time on here for a YJ. Who doesn't stop to look at and talk about a car wreck like your YJ thread. Lol. YOU'RE FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is iy everything on a thread about TG gets turned to be about YJ.Maye the crazies out there saying we are obsessed with YJ aren't so crazy after all.Let's try to keep the discussion about things pertaining to TG.

Good idea! Let's stick to TG here!

Agreed - maybe it's YJ parents fighting amongst themselves on the TG thread? They should go fight on their own thread!

You have to be joking, again making the conversation about that other team,stop obsessing.

Nope, not joking!!

You like to use the word obsess often huh? Lol. Oh yeah and you spend lots of time on here for a YJ. Who doesn't stop to look at and talk about a car wreck like your YJ thread. Lol. YOU'RE FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!

You like to use Lol often huh? It's good you like to laugh. It was the first time I have used the word obsess as I have rarely posted on here but it seems you feel I am someone else.Would like to see the TG thread be about TG but some of you feel otherwise.I think you need to go back to your linguistics studies teacher at your online csi course because you are truly mistaken on this one.

Try outs are tomorrow! any thoughts??

Is it true that Shannon will not be able to coach the girls once they reach 8th grade because of NCAA recruiting violations? Anyone please. Cage, little help maybw.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it true that Shannon will not be able to coach the girls once they reach 8th grade because of NCAA recruiting violations? Anyone please. Cage, little help maybw.

This topic was already discussed on our College Forum at the following location :

NCAA By-Laws Covering Local Club Coaching

Bottom line : There will be no issues associated with coaching in the local programs for most cases. The only issue relates to players who are communiting to play for the local club with a home residence at a distance of more than 50 miles.

Good luck to all the girls trying out this weekend!

I have a 5th grader that would like to tryout for Top Guns. Can anyone give me their thoughts on the younger teams for this club? Thanks!

"You like to use Lol often huh? It's good you like to laugh. It was the first time I have used the word obsess as I have rarely posted on here but it seems you feel I am someone else.Would like to see the TG thread be about TG but some of you feel otherwise.I think you need to go back to your linguistics studies teacher at your online csi course because you are truly mistaken on this one."

Actually a digital forensic analyst. Go to your own car wreck of a thread. The YJs miss their village idiot!......hurry!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"You like to use Lol often huh? It's good you like to laugh. It was the first time I have used the word obsess as I have rarely posted on here but it seems you feel I am someone else.Would like to see the TG thread be about TG but some of you feel otherwise.I think you need to go back to your linguistics studies teacher at your online csi course because you are truly mistaken on this one."

Actually a digital forensic analyst. Go to your own car wreck of a thread. The YJs miss their village idiot!......hurry!

Yes I am sure you are a digital forensic analyst and the best you can come up with is the use of the word obsess.You may want to call apex tech and ask for your money back,lol.Once again you are so obsessed you cannot keep the conversation about TG.You should seriously bring your kid back to YJ again she may be able to make the yellow team now that they have 2 so called blue teams at every age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"You like to use Lol often huh? It's good you like to laugh. It was the first time I have used the word obsess as I have rarely posted on here but it seems you feel I am someone else.Would like to see the TG thread be about TG but some of you feel otherwise.I think you need to go back to your linguistics studies teacher at your online csi course because you are truly mistaken on this one."

Actually a digital forensic analyst. Go to your own car wreck of a thread. The YJs miss their village idiot!......hurry!

Seems your obsession with the Yellow Jackets continues.Keep using exclamation points while you are trying to stir the pot on the YJ thread.So funny that now even your own TG posters are tired of your constant YJ obsession.

Any feedback from today's TG tryouts yet?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a 5th grader that would like to tryout for Top Guns. Can anyone give me their thoughts on the younger teams for this club? Thanks!

The 5th grade black team should be very competitive. They have some girls that played up last year and it sounds like there should be alot of girls at tryout. Good Luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"You like to use Lol often huh? It's good you like to laugh. It was the first time I have used the word obsess as I have rarely posted on here but it seems you feel I am someone else.Would like to see the TG thread be about TG but some of you feel otherwise.I think you need to go back to your linguistics studies teacher at your online csi course because you are truly mistaken on this one."

Actually a digital forensic analyst. Go to your own car wreck of a thread. The YJs miss their village idiot!......hurry!

Seems your obsession with the Yellow Jackets continues.Keep using exclamation points while you are trying to stir the pot on the YJ thread.So funny that now even your own TG posters are tired of your constant YJ obsession.

No they aren't. Talk about obsessed!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"You like to use Lol often huh? It's good you like to laugh. It was the first time I have used the word obsess as I have rarely posted on here but it seems you feel I am someone else.Would like to see the TG thread be about TG but some of you feel otherwise.I think you need to go back to your linguistics studies teacher at your online csi course because you are truly mistaken on this one."

Actually a digital forensic analyst. Go to your own car wreck of a thread. The YJs miss their village idiot!......hurry!

Seems your obsession with the Yellow Jackets continues.Keep using exclamation points while you are trying to stir the pot on the YJ thread.So funny that now even your own TG posters are tired of your constant YJ obsession.

Ok, who is the real TG parent in this argument? The analyst or the one saying obsessed all the time? Any other voters?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"You like to use Lol often huh? It's good you like to laugh. It was the first time I have used the word obsess as I have rarely posted on here but it seems you feel I am someone else.Would like to see the TG thread be about TG but some of you feel otherwise.I think you need to go back to your linguistics studies teacher at your online csi course because you are truly mistaken on this one."

Actually a digital forensic analyst. Go to your own car wreck of a thread. The YJs miss their village idiot!......hurry!

Seems your obsession with the Yellow Jackets continues.Keep using exclamation points while you are trying to stir the pot on the YJ thread.So funny that now even your own TG posters are tired of your constant YJ obsession.

Ok, who is the real TG parent in this argument? The analyst or the one saying obsessed all the time? Any other voters?

My vote is you are the fake analyst who needs to go back to your online course and complete your GED ASAP. Try to keep the conversation about TG lacrosse and stop with the nonsense.Saturday tryouts had a good turnout seemed to be enough talent for 2 quality teams in each age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a 5th grader that would like to tryout for Top Guns. Can anyone give me their thoughts on the younger teams for this club? Thanks!

The 5th grade black team should be very competitive. They have some girls that played up last year and it sounds like there should be alot of girls at tryout. Good Luck.

Thanks for your input! It's appreciated!

My daughter tried out on Sat and we will find out this week. Make it or not, TG's is a fine org. The tryout was one of teh best (if not the best) i've ever seen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter tried out on Sat and we will find out this week. Make it or not, TG's is a fine org. The tryout was one of teh best (if not the best) i've ever seen.

My daughter tried out on Sunday, and I thought the tryout was well done also. only problem was that they ran short on time, and her group didn't get to the shooting station, which I think is pretty important. I think we have to wait until NEXT Monday for the results, which is kind of a long time. Otherwise, no complaints. Seems like a great organization, from what I've seen so far.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter tried out on Sat and we will find out this week. Make it or not, TG's is a fine org. The tryout was one of teh best (if not the best) i've ever seen.

I was there as well. Very organized and well run tryout. Plenty of talented girls. Good luck to all!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter tried out on Sat and we will find out this week. Make it or not, TG's is a fine org. The tryout was one of teh best (if not the best) i've ever seen.

I was there as well. Very organized and well run tryout. Plenty of talented girls. Good luck to all!!!

Anybody have any feedback or opinions on the 2017 Purple team from this past summer? Coaches, practice quality, tournaments, etc.?

Lots of talent at Sundays tryout in the 2017, 2018, and 2019 group. Over 75 kids per age group, will be tough for a newcomer but there s room for improvement on every team so it will be interesting to see if the organization makes any changes. Hope they get the roster out quickly so those who did not make the cut will attend other tryouts. Good luck to all.

How were the numbers at the various age groups ,2019 seemed to have about mid forties .Enough for 2 teams .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of talent at Sundays tryout in the 2017, 2018, and 2019 group. Over 75 kids per age group, will be tough for a newcomer but there s room for improvement on every team so it will be interesting to see if the organization makes any changes. Hope they get the roster out quickly so those who did not make the cut will attend other tryouts. Good luck to all.

Shannon said the girls will here something by Monday 9/3, but hoping it comes out this week...my daughter's a newcomer, hoping to break in on the 2017 group. There were a lot of talented players there, like you said.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of talent at Sundays tryout in the 2017, 2018, and 2019 group. Over 75 kids per age group, will be tough for a newcomer but there s room for improvement on every team so it will be interesting to see if the organization makes any changes. Hope they get the roster out quickly so those who did not make the cut will attend other tryouts. Good luck to all.

75 kids 2019?? Not even close

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of talent at Sundays tryout in the 2017, 2018, and 2019 group. Over 75 kids per age group, will be tough for a newcomer but there s room for improvement on every team so it will be interesting to see if the organization makes any changes. Hope they get the roster out quickly so those who did not make the cut will attend other tryouts. Good luck to all.

75 kids 2019?? Not even close

I'm not sure about 2019, or where that "Over 75 kids" came from, but I know there were about 60-65 for 2017. Definitely not over 75, but still a big turnout, I thought.

I was at the 19 tryout I counted 55 girls. I also counted 6 goalies which in itself is amazing. Wonder if each team will carry 2 goalies??????
But you never know who is on vacation, etc.
Heard they hold private tryous in cases of vacations, but don't know if thats true or not.
By the way there were no 2020 girls present for the poster who said there would be one with the powerful dad
Alot of talent
There seemed to be double that # at the 18 tryout and smaller amount for the 2020 that I could see.
Ran very professionally and very organized. One of the better tryout operations that I have seen.

I was at the 2018 tryout and I could be wrong but I would say close to 100 young ladies...and I was quite impressed with the level of talent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was at the 19 tryout I counted 55 girls. I also counted 6 goalies which in itself is amazing. Wonder if each team will carry 2 goalies??????
But you never know who is on vacation, etc.
Heard they hold private tryous in cases of vacations, but don't know if thats true or not.
By the way there were no 2020 girls present for the poster who said there would be one with the powerful dad
Alot of talent
There seemed to be double that # at the 18 tryout and smaller amount for the 2020 that I could see.
Ran very professionally and very organized. One of the better tryout operations that I have seen.

Maybe extra private tryouts are the reason they said we won't hear antything until next Monday...last year,we found out in one day!

Wonder if they will make 3 teams with that many girls?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was at the 19 tryout I counted 55 girls. I also counted 6 goalies which in itself is amazing. Wonder if each team will carry 2 goalies??????
But you never know who is on vacation, etc.
Heard they hold private tryous in cases of vacations, but don't know if thats true or not.
By the way there were no 2020 girls present for the poster who said there would be one with the powerful dad
Alot of talent
There seemed to be double that # at the 18 tryout and smaller amount for the 2020 that I could see.
Ran very professionally and very organized. One of the better tryout operations that I have seen.

That seems about right ,I did not count.How do you know there were no 2020 girls ,will believe it when rosters are posted.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter tried out on Sat and we will find out this week. Make it or not, TG's is a fine org. The tryout was one of teh best (if not the best) i've ever seen.

I was there as well. Very organized and well run tryout. Plenty of talented girls. Good luck to all!!!

Anybody have any feedback or opinions on the 2017 Purple team from this past summer? Coaches, practice quality, tournaments, etc.?

based on the website, the 2017 purple coaches were Brooke Witkowski and Stephanie Andersen...don't know how the summer went for that team though...anybody?

Why would they offer private tryouts (if they do)? It should not matter if a girl is on vacation, seems a bit unfair if you ask me! There were plenty of girls at the tryouts to make two solid teams at each level! Must be the "connected" ones that get the private tryout!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of talent at Sundays tryout in the 2017, 2018, and 2019 group. Over 75 kids per age group, will be tough for a newcomer but there s room for improvement on every team so it will be interesting to see if the organization makes any changes. Hope they get the roster out quickly so those who did not make the cut will attend other tryouts. Good luck to all.

75 kids 2019?? Not even close

Starting trouble. Pay no attention to this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would they offer private tryouts (if they do)? It should not matter if a girl is on vacation, seems a bit unfair if you ask me! There were plenty of girls at the tryouts to make two solid teams at each level! Must be the "connected" ones that get the private tryout!!!

Go start trouble on your own thread thanks. We don't need your opinion which is quite sad actually. Have some self confidence and stop with the conspiracy theories.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would they offer private tryouts (if they do)? It should not matter if a girl is on vacation, seems a bit unfair if you ask me! There were plenty of girls at the tryouts to make two solid teams at each level! Must be the "connected" ones that get the private tryout!!!

Then get connected.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would they offer private tryouts (if they do)? It should not matter if a girl is on vacation, seems a bit unfair if you ask me! There were plenty of girls at the tryouts to make two solid teams at each level! Must be the "connected" ones that get the private tryout!!!

Families plan trips before tryout dates are posted.

My guess is that an alternate tryout date (and I have no idea if there actually is one) would be for a girl who is a known quantity, ie. played for the club the prior year.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would they offer private tryouts (if they do)? It should not matter if a girl is on vacation, seems a bit unfair if you ask me! There were plenty of girls at the tryouts to make two solid teams at each level! Must be the "connected" ones that get the private tryout!!!

Families plan trips before tryout dates are posted.

My guess is that an alternate tryout date (and I have no idea if there actually is one) would be for a girl who is a known quantity, ie. played for the club the prior year.

What is a known quantity?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of talent at Sundays tryout in the 2017, 2018, and 2019 group. Over 75 kids per age group, will be tough for a newcomer but there s room for improvement on every team so it will be interesting to see if the organization makes any changes. Hope they get the roster out quickly so those who did not make the cut will attend other tryouts. Good luck to all.

75 kids 2019?? Not even close

Starting trouble. Pay no attention to this.

How is that starting trouble? Maybe could have been less blunt but seems you have no problem with the person making up numbers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would they offer private tryouts (if they do)? It should not matter if a girl is on vacation, seems a bit unfair if you ask me! There were plenty of girls at the tryouts to make two solid teams at each level! Must be the "connected" ones that get the private tryout!!!

Families plan trips before tryout dates are posted.

My guess is that an alternate tryout date (and I have no idea if there actually is one) would be for a girl who is a known quantity, ie. played for the club the prior year.

What is a known quantity?

Powder, your explanation makes perfect sense and seems quite reasonable. Don't get sucked into an argument as there are many instigators from elsewhere hovering this thread looking for an argument.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would they offer private tryouts (if they do)? It should not matter if a girl is on vacation, seems a bit unfair if you ask me! There were plenty of girls at the tryouts to make two solid teams at each level! Must be the "connected" ones that get the private tryout!!!

Families plan trips before tryout dates are posted.

My guess is that an alternate tryout date (and I have no idea if there actually is one) would be for a girl who is a known quantity, ie. played for the club the prior year.

What is a known quantity?

I would think a known quantity would be a player who's abilities are known to the evaluators. These abilities could be known for several reasons such as, 1-A previous player from the club team, 2-A player who has played with or against an evaluator during their spring season or 3-A player who is known by evaluators or other coaches to have some talent. This type of private make up tryout is extremely common throughout all club sports at all levels. Nothing to raise any eyebrows over. Good Luck

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of talent at Sundays tryout in the 2017, 2018, and 2019 group. Over 75 kids per age group, will be tough for a newcomer but there s room for improvement on every team so it will be interesting to see if the organization makes any changes. Hope they get the roster out quickly so those who did not make the cut will attend other tryouts. Good luck to all.

75 kids 2019?? Not even close

Starting trouble. Pay no attention to this.

How is that starting trouble? Maybe could have been less blunt but seems you have no problem with the person making up numbers.

Probably just used to pot stirrers. With no opinion given as to the number of players trying out it seemed to be a typical sarcastic comment all too common on here I assume. How many do you feel were there?

I was at Sundays 2020 tryouts and I thought they were run very well. The different stations really gave the girls a good opportunity to show their skills. Good luck to all the girls that tried out.

I was there too. It will be luck if the kids make it. Coaches were looking at other field during drills missing kids turns, kids didn't get to do all drills at shooting station , when they scrimmaged nobody took notes and when they were done at stations they made kids turn around to see numbers, how do they know what kids did what if they weren't paying attention half the time what about having the kids roll the balls some were good some weren't . I think the coaches were tired at the last session. It was organized and I did like how Shannon stressed academics. So if kids dont make it chalk it up to an experience and use it as a positive to work harder. Let your kid know they are good and to keep trying. It's the luck of the draw.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was there too. It will be luck if the kids make it. Coaches were looking at other field during drills missing kids turns, kids didn't get to do all drills at shooting station , when they scrimmaged nobody took notes and when they were done at stations they made kids turn around to see numbers, how do they know what kids did what if they weren't paying attention half the time what about having the kids roll the balls some were good some weren't . I think the coaches were tired at the last session. It was organized and I did like how Shannon stressed academics. So if kids dont make it chalk it up to an experience and use it as a positive to work harder. Let your kid know they are good and to keep trying. It's the luck of the draw.

I watched the entire thing and did not see what you saw. I thought it was done well. I'm curious how you know that they weren't taking notes and watching unless you were in the field with them. The people running the tryout are experienced, I'm sure they know what they are doing. I thought the 2020 girls got the same attention as the other girls.

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of talent at Sundays tryout in the 2017, 2018, and 2019 group. Over 75 kids per age group, will be tough for a newcomer but there s room for improvement on every team so it will be interesting to see if the organization makes any changes. Hope they get the roster out quickly so those who did not make the cut will attend other tryouts. Good luck to all.

75 kids 2019?? Not even close

Starting trouble. Pay no attention to this.

How is that starting trouble? Maybe could have been less blunt but seems you have no problem with the person making up numbers.

Probably just used to pot stirrers. With no opinion given as to the number of players trying out it seemed to be a typical sarcastic comment all too common on here I assume. How many do you feel were there?

58 which includes the goalies.A good number of kids and most seemed to be have good stick skills.I tend to dislike exaggeration and feel being honest about a program is important.

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would they offer private tryouts (if they do)? It should not matter if a girl is on vacation, seems a bit unfair if you ask me! There were plenty of girls at the tryouts to make two solid teams at each level! Must be the "connected" ones that get the private tryout!!!

Families plan trips before tryout dates are posted.

My guess is that an alternate tryout date (and I have no idea if there actually is one) would be for a girl who is a known quantity, ie. played for the club the prior year.

What is a known quantity?

I would think a known quantity would be a player who's abilities are known to the evaluators. These abilities could be known for several reasons such as, 1-A previous player from the club team, 2-A player who has played with or against an evaluator during their spring season or 3-A player who is known by evaluators or other coaches to have some talent. This type of private make up tryout is extremely common throughout all club sports at all levels. Nothing to raise any eyebrows over. Good Luck

The other half of the known quantity is the parent/family. With club ball they are bringing in the player, mom, dad etc... tryouts don't show off the parents ability to nag the coaches for playing time or scream at refs and players on the field, or stirring pots on threads. Existing players with well behaved parents are a plus. Nobody, club or existing parents wants baggage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was there too. It will be luck if the kids make it. Coaches were looking at other field during drills missing kids turns, kids didn't get to do all drills at shooting station , when they scrimmaged nobody took notes and when they were done at stations they made kids turn around to see numbers, how do they know what kids did what if they weren't paying attention half the time what about having the kids roll the balls some were good some weren't . I think the coaches were tired at the last session. It was organized and I did like how Shannon stressed academics. So if kids dont make it chalk it up to an experience and use it as a positive to work harder. Let your kid know they are good and to keep trying. It's the luck of the draw.

I wasn't there but was told the tryouts were pretty organized, so reading this I am a little confused. Does any one know who will be coaching the 2020 team, I heard it was a parent of one of the girls? Is this common, is it something other teams do?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was there too. It will be luck if the kids make it. Coaches were looking at other field during drills missing kids turns, kids didn't get to do all drills at shooting station , when they scrimmaged nobody took notes and when they were done at stations they made kids turn around to see numbers, how do they know what kids did what if they weren't paying attention half the time what about having the kids roll the balls some were good some weren't . I think the coaches were tired at the last session. It was organized and I did like how Shannon stressed academics. So if kids dont make it chalk it up to an experience and use it as a positive to work harder. Let your kid know they are good and to keep trying. It's the luck of the draw.

I wasn't there but was told the tryouts were pretty organized, so reading this I am a little confused. Does any one know who will be coaching the 2020 team, I heard it was a parent of one of the girls? Is this common, is it something other teams do?

I was there for 2020 and two other age groups, they did a great job putting them through the paces in all the tryouts. The fast flow of some of the stations did have the evaluators marking scores as next players were running drills therefor missing some of the drills, but all girls had multiple turns to run drills. As far as coach, certainly hope they don't put a parent as coach, there is enough BS with parent coaches in town and elsewhere, trying out for TG's because they don't use parents. You would think the coach from this years graduating class would pick up a young team and bring them through.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was there too. It will be luck if the kids make it. Coaches were looking at other field during drills missing kids turns, kids didn't get to do all drills at shooting station , when they scrimmaged nobody took notes and when they were done at stations they made kids turn around to see numbers, how do they know what kids did what if they weren't paying attention half the time what about having the kids roll the balls some were good some weren't . I think the coaches were tired at the last session. It was organized and I did like how Shannon stressed academics. So if kids dont make it chalk it up to an experience and use it as a positive to work harder. Let your kid know they are good and to keep trying. It's the luck of the draw.

I wasn't there but was told the tryouts were pretty organized, so reading this I am a little confused. Does any one know who will be coaching the 2020 team, I heard it was a parent of one of the girls? Is this common, is it something other teams do?

I was there for 2020 and two other age groups, they did a great job putting them through the paces in all the tryouts. The fast flow of some of the stations did have the evaluators marking scores as next players were running drills therefor missing some of the drills, but all girls had multiple turns to run drills. As far as coach, certainly hope they don't put a parent as coach, there is enough BS with parent coaches in town and elsewhere, trying out for TG's because they don't use parents. You would think the coach from this years graduating class would pick up a young team and bring them through.

2017's was very well done at 8am, except that they ran short on time, so they never got to the last station, which for my daughter's group was shooting....pretty important, especially for recruiting attack...other than that, and the long wait for the rosters, I think they did an awesome job!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was there too. It will be luck if the kids make it. Coaches were looking at other field during drills missing kids turns, kids didn't get to do all drills at shooting station , when they scrimmaged nobody took notes and when they were done at stations they made kids turn around to see numbers, how do they know what kids did what if they weren't paying attention half the time what about having the kids roll the balls some were good some weren't . I think the coaches were tired at the last session. It was organized and I did like how Shannon stressed academics. So if kids dont make it chalk it up to an experience and use it as a positive to work harder. Let your kid know they are good and to keep trying. It's the luck of the draw.

I wasn't there but was told the tryouts were pretty organized, so reading this I am a little confused. Does any one know who will be coaching the 2020 team, I heard it was a parent of one of the girls? Is this common, is it something other teams do?

I was there for 2020 and two other age groups, they did a great job putting them through the paces in all the tryouts. The fast flow of some of the stations did have the evaluators marking scores as next players were running drills therefor missing some of the drills, but all girls had multiple turns to run drills. As far as coach, certainly hope they don't put a parent as coach, there is enough BS with parent coaches in town and elsewhere, trying out for TG's because they don't use parents. You would think the coach from this years graduating class would pick up a young team and bring them through.

Ok, because I heard that one of the girls trying out had her father running the drills and it seemed like he was the coach, perhaps he was just evaluating, but some rumors were swirling that the coach of 2020 was coming over from a town team and his daughter was playing too. But, that is not a fact, and I am not presenting it as fact, just asking if it is true and if it is normal for parents to coach these travel teams.

Agree 100%, well run. Scrimage type station showed a nice flow of those who played last year. Many of the girls texting each other with anxious excitement, good luck to all. Just curious- were there cuts to last years 2017 team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was there too. It will be luck if the kids make it. Coaches were looking at other field during drills missing kids turns, kids didn't get to do all drills at shooting station , when they scrimmaged nobody took notes and when they were done at stations they made kids turn around to see numbers, how do they know what kids did what if they weren't paying attention half the time what about having the kids roll the balls some were good some weren't . I think the coaches were tired at the last session. It was organized and I did like how Shannon stressed academics. So if kids dont make it chalk it up to an experience and use it as a positive to work harder. Let your kid know they are good and to keep trying. It's the luck of the draw.

I wasn't there but was told the tryouts were pretty organized, so reading this I am a little confused. Does any one know who will be coaching the 2020 team, I heard it was a parent of one of the girls? Is this common, is it something other teams do?

I was there for 2020 and two other age groups, they did a great job putting them through the paces in all the tryouts. The fast flow of some of the stations did have the evaluators marking scores as next players were running drills therefor missing some of the drills, but all girls had multiple turns to run drills. As far as coach, certainly hope they don't put a parent as coach, there is enough BS with parent coaches in town and elsewhere, trying out for TG's because they don't use parents. You would think the coach from this years graduating class would pick up a young team and bring them through.

Ok, because I heard that one of the girls trying out had her father running the drills and it seemed like he was the coach, perhaps he was just evaluating, but some rumors were swirling that the coach of 2020 was coming over from a town team and his daughter was playing too. But, that is not a fact, and I am not presenting it as fact, just asking if it is true and if it is normal for parents to coach these travel teams.

What are you all complaining about? One of the founders of the club is a dad coach. What I saw that was bad was, I believe Shannons's brother was one of the evaluators, and towards the end he was confusing the girls during the drill. Other than that it was a good try out format, I would have been impressed if the chances of making the team equal for all girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was there too. It will be luck if the kids make it. Coaches were looking at other field during drills missing kids turns, kids didn't get to do all drills at shooting station , when they scrimmaged nobody took notes and when they were done at stations they made kids turn around to see numbers, how do they know what kids did what if they weren't paying attention half the time what about having the kids roll the balls some were good some weren't . I think the coaches were tired at the last session. It was organized and I did like how Shannon stressed academics. So if kids dont make it chalk it up to an experience and use it as a positive to work harder. Let your kid know they are good and to keep trying. It's the luck of the draw.

I wasn't there but was told the tryouts were pretty organized, so reading this I am a little confused. Does any one know who will be coaching the 2020 team, I heard it was a parent of one of the girls? Is this common, is it something other teams do?

I was there for 2020 and two other age groups, they did a great job putting them through the paces in all the tryouts. The fast flow of some of the stations did have the evaluators marking scores as next players were running drills therefor missing some of the drills, but all girls had multiple turns to run drills. As far as coach, certainly hope they don't put a parent as coach, there is enough BS with parent coaches in town and elsewhere, trying out for TG's because they don't use parents. You would think the coach from this years graduating class would pick up a young team and bring them through.

Ok, because I heard that one of the girls trying out had her father running the drills and it seemed like he was the coach, perhaps he was just evaluating, but some rumors were swirling that the coach of 2020 was coming over from a town team and his daughter was playing too. But, that is not a fact, and I am not presenting it as fact, just asking if it is true and if it is normal for parents to coach these travel teams.

I'm not a TG parent (or a YJ parent either) but I thought I would comment. I am a parent coach and I have been for a long time. One of the benefits of a parent coach is the fact that they are a parent. They have some experience in dealing with children. Granted, there are some parent coaches that give the rest of us a black eye. However, the majority of us do a great job. You may end up with a parent coach who is a very qualified.

I don't believe anyone is complaining, chillax. Hope the email gets sent out soon, I wasn't on the team last year but hope I make it!

In the 2020 group you have SL who is listed as a director on TG website. The 2020 team would be lucky to have him since he a head varsity girls lax coach in the area. I seriously doubt that they would get him though as there are no Dad's coaching anyother team. He has other kids in organization and doesn't coach them. Maybe he just ran a station and has a good eye for talent in tryouts.

The TG have used dad coaches in the past, although the dad in question is also a pretty good H.S. team coach and has a legit background in coaching girls lacrosse. If the 2020 dad mentioned above has a similiar background in coaching girls lacrosse, I think it will work out OK.

Last Years 2017 Team had 10 new girls from the previos year!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't believe anyone is complaining, chillax. Hope the email gets sent out soon, I wasn't on the team last year but hope I make it!

I don't think we're going to find out until next Monday, but I hope it's sooner!!!

The possible coach mentioned for 2020 (SL) was at every tryout over the two day period. He is an outstanding coach. The 2020 kids would be incredibly lucky to have him as their coach - whether it be coach or asst coach. He currently coaches the 2015 team so taking on another young team would work perfectly since the 2015's only have 2 more years left to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last Years 2017 Team had 10 new girls from the previos year!

So, it sounds like new players should get a legitimate shot at making the team, which is great to hear!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was there too. It will be luck if the kids make it. Coaches were looking at other field during drills missing kids turns, kids didn't get to do all drills at shooting station , when they scrimmaged nobody took notes and when they were done at stations they made kids turn around to see numbers, how do they know what kids did what if they weren't paying attention half the time what about having the kids roll the balls some were good some weren't . I think the coaches were tired at the last session. It was organized and I did like how Shannon stressed academics. So if kids dont make it chalk it up to an experience and use it as a positive to work harder. Let your kid know they are good and to keep trying. It's the luck of the draw.

I wasn't there but was told the tryouts were pretty organized, so reading this I am a little confused. Does any one know who will be coaching the 2020 team, I heard it was a parent of one of the girls? Is this common, is it something other teams do?

I was there for 2020 and two other age groups, they did a great job putting them through the paces in all the tryouts. The fast flow of some of the stations did have the evaluators marking scores as next players were running drills therefor missing some of the drills, but all girls had multiple turns to run drills. As far as coach, certainly hope they don't put a parent as coach, there is enough BS with parent coaches in town and elsewhere, trying out for TG's because they don't use parents. You would think the coach from this years graduating class would pick up a young team and bring them through.

Ok, because I heard that one of the girls trying out had her father running the drills and it seemed like he was the coach, perhaps he was just evaluating, but some rumors were swirling that the coach of 2020 was coming over from a town team and his daughter was playing too. But, that is not a fact, and I am not presenting it as fact, just asking if it is true and if it is normal for parents to coach these travel teams.

What are you all complaining about? One of the founders of the club is a dad coach. What I saw that was bad was, I believe Shannons's brother was one of the evaluators, and towards the end he was confusing the girls during the drill. Other than that it was a good try out format, I would have been impressed if the chances of making the team equal for all girls.

They REALLY want the brother to succeed. I personally wouldn't want him to coach my girl. I have seen him coaching a few times and am not impressed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was there too. It will be luck if the kids make it. Coaches were looking at other field during drills missing kids turns, kids didn't get to do all drills at shooting station , when they scrimmaged nobody took notes and when they were done at stations they made kids turn around to see numbers, how do they know what kids did what if they weren't paying attention half the time what about having the kids roll the balls some were good some weren't . I think the coaches were tired at the last session. It was organized and I did like how Shannon stressed academics. So if kids dont make it chalk it up to an experience and use it as a positive to work harder. Let your kid know they are good and to keep trying. It's the luck of the draw.

I wasn't there but was told the tryouts were pretty organized, so reading this I am a little confused. Does any one know who will be coaching the 2020 team, I heard it was a parent of one of the girls? Is this common, is it something other teams do?

I was there for 2020 and two other age groups, they did a great job putting them through the paces in all the tryouts. The fast flow of some of the stations did have the evaluators marking scores as next players were running drills therefor missing some of the drills, but all girls had multiple turns to run drills. As far as coach, certainly hope they don't put a parent as coach, there is enough BS with parent coaches in town and elsewhere, trying out for TG's because they don't use parents. You would think the coach from this years graduating class would pick up a young team and bring them through.

Ok, because I heard that one of the girls trying out had her father running the drills and it seemed like he was the coach, perhaps he was just evaluating, but some rumors were swirling that the coach of 2020 was coming over from a town team and his daughter was playing too. But, that is not a fact, and I am not presenting it as fact, just asking if it is true and if it is normal for parents to coach these travel teams.

I'm not a TG parent (or a YJ parent either) but I thought I would comment. I am a parent coach and I have been for a long time. One of the benefits of a parent coach is the fact that they are a parent. They have some experience in dealing with children. Granted, there are some parent coaches that give the rest of us a black eye. However, the majority of us do a great job. You may end up with a parent coach who is a very qualified.

I agree that some parents can have a good insight working with kids, of course there are a lot of really bad parents out there too. I can tolerate the idea of a parent coaching within the same club his/her child plays on, just not the same team she plays on. Parents wether highly qualified or not, donate much time at the lower levels in many sports where they are sorely needed as it is volunteer work. This is club ball, paid position and the politics of daughter and friends benefiting should be avoided at all costs. So far TG's have avoided this situation, I think on purpose. This rips teams apart at the seams, go back on this and all the other threads and you will see exactly that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was there too. It will be luck if the kids make it. Coaches were looking at other field during drills missing kids turns, kids didn't get to do all drills at shooting station , when they scrimmaged nobody took notes and when they were done at stations they made kids turn around to see numbers, how do they know what kids did what if they weren't paying attention half the time what about having the kids roll the balls some were good some weren't . I think the coaches were tired at the last session. It was organized and I did like how Shannon stressed academics. So if kids dont make it chalk it up to an experience and use it as a positive to work harder. Let your kid know they are good and to keep trying. It's the luck of the draw.

I wasn't there but was told the tryouts were pretty organized, so reading this I am a little confused. Does any one know who will be coaching the 2020 team, I heard it was a parent of one of the girls? Is this common, is it something other teams do?

I was there for 2020 and two other age groups, they did a great job putting them through the paces in all the tryouts. The fast flow of some of the stations did have the evaluators marking scores as next players were running drills therefor missing some of the drills, but all girls had multiple turns to run drills. As far as coach, certainly hope they don't put a parent as coach, there is enough BS with parent coaches in town and elsewhere, trying out for TG's because they don't use parents. You would think the coach from this years graduating class would pick up a young team and bring them through.

Ok, because I heard that one of the girls trying out had her father running the drills and it seemed like he was the coach, perhaps he was just evaluating, but some rumors were swirling that the coach of 2020 was coming over from a town team and his daughter was playing too. But, that is not a fact, and I am not presenting it as fact, just asking if it is true and if it is normal for parents to coach these travel teams.

I'm not a TG parent (or a YJ parent either) but I thought I would comment. I am a parent coach and I have been for a long time. One of the benefits of a parent coach is the fact that they are a parent. They have some experience in dealing with children. Granted, there are some parent coaches that give the rest of us a black eye. However, the majority of us do a great job. You may end up with a parent coach who is a very qualified.

I agree that some parents can have a good insight working with kids, of course there are a lot of really bad parents out there too. I can tolerate the idea of a parent coaching within the same club his/her child plays on, just not the same team she plays on. Parents wether highly qualified or not, donate much time at the lower levels in many sports where they are sorely needed as it is volunteer work. This is club ball, paid position and the politics of daughter and friends benefiting should be avoided at all costs. So far TG's have avoided this situation, I think on purpose. This rips teams apart at the seams, go back on this and all the other threads and you will see exactly that.

Well said!!! I agree with you 100% that it can cause issues on a team! Best scenario all around would be to avoid this.

I Think alot of girls have a shot there were alot of talented girls at the 2017 tryout Good Luck !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was there too. It will be luck if the kids make it. Coaches were looking at other field during drills missing kids turns, kids didn't get to do all drills at shooting station , when they scrimmaged nobody took notes and when they were done at stations they made kids turn around to see numbers, how do they know what kids did what if they weren't paying attention half the time what about having the kids roll the balls some were good some weren't . I think the coaches were tired at the last session. It was organized and I did like how Shannon stressed academics. So if kids dont make it chalk it up to an experience and use it as a positive to work harder. Let your kid know they are good and to keep trying. It's the luck of the draw.

I wasn't there but was told the tryouts were pretty organized, so reading this I am a little confused. Does any one know who will be coaching the 2020 team, I heard it was a parent of one of the girls? Is this common, is it something other teams do?

I was there for 2020 and two other age groups, they did a great job putting them through the paces in all the tryouts. The fast flow of some of the stations did have the evaluators marking scores as next players were running drills therefor missing some of the drills, but all girls had multiple turns to run drills. As far as coach, certainly hope they don't put a parent as coach, there is enough BS with parent coaches in town and elsewhere, trying out for TG's because they don't use parents. You would think the coach from this years graduating class would pick up a young team and bring them through.

Ok, because I heard that one of the girls trying out had her father running the drills and it seemed like he was the coach, perhaps he was just evaluating, but some rumors were swirling that the coach of 2020 was coming over from a town team and his daughter was playing too. But, that is not a fact, and I am not presenting it as fact, just asking if it is true and if it is normal for parents to coach these travel teams.

I'm not a TG parent (or a YJ parent either) but I thought I would comment. I am a parent coach and I have been for a long time. One of the benefits of a parent coach is the fact that they are a parent. They have some experience in dealing with children. Granted, there are some parent coaches that give the rest of us a black eye. However, the majority of us do a great job. You may end up with a parent coach who is a very qualified.

I wasn't complaining at all just asking a question. I am certain whoever coaches will be qualified. Will they call , or email with their decision, and is Monday the day, or did they say by Monday. Of course everyone will be anxious.
Good luck to all the girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that some parents can have a good insight working with kids, of course there are a lot of really bad parents out there too. I can tolerate the idea of a parent coaching within the same club his/her child plays on, just not the same team she plays on. Parents wether highly qualified or not, donate much time at the lower levels in many sports where they are sorely needed as it is volunteer work. This is club ball, paid position and the politics of daughter and friends benefiting should be avoided at all costs. So far TG's have avoided this situation, I think on purpose. This rips teams apart at the seams, go back on this and all the other threads and you will see exactly that.

This is a crazy statement. Steve Levy is a parent coach, and coaches his daughters team. There is more than 1 girl on that team that benefits from a relationship with his daughter.

Shannon told the 2017 girls that they will get an email ON Monday...

The 2020 girls were told they would find out on Monday as well!

All of the girls were told BY Monday, which is why we are checking every day!I hope I make it!Wish they would send it soon!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of the girls were told BY Monday, which is why we are checking every day!I hope I make it!Wish they would send it soon!

I guess some were told BY Monday, and some were told ON Monday. Hopefully, it's sooner, so everyone can move on, one way or another. Good luck to you!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that some parents can have a good insight working with kids, of course there are a lot of really bad parents out there too. I can tolerate the idea of a parent coaching within the same club his/her child plays on, just not the same team she plays on. Parents wether highly qualified or not, donate much time at the lower levels in many sports where they are sorely needed as it is volunteer work. This is club ball, paid position and the politics of daughter and friends benefiting should be avoided at all costs. So far TG's have avoided this situation, I think on purpose. This rips teams apart at the seams, go back on this and all the other threads and you will see exactly that.

This is a crazy statement. Steve Levy is a parent coach, and coaches his daughters team. There is more than 1 girl on that team that benefits from a relationship with his daughter.

"Daddy Coach" and "Mommy Coach" syndrome should be avoided at all costs no matter how good everyone thinks he or she is, whether it be club or high school. It eliminates even the hint of impropriety. For every one where it works, there are many, many that absolutely do not and I have seen it first hand in my kids' school and club teams. Every time I get into a conversation with a parent from another community, they complain about the same thing. There are not too many exceptions that I have heard where it works fairly. Number 1 for these parent coaches is their kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of the girls were told BY Monday, which is why we are checking every day!I hope I make it!Wish they would send it soon!

We were told ON Monday not BY in our group. Hope you make it too.

Thank you, my friends and I are hoping we hear before the long weekend, the waiting is so hard! Maybe they did say on Monday and I was just so nervous that I heard wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you, my friends and I are hoping we hear before the long weekend, the waiting is so hard! Maybe they did say on Monday and I was just so nervous that I heard wrong.

Hoping you're right. One of the dad's thinks they'll send it out Friday, because they won't want to work on it over the weekend. Keeping our fingers crossed. I know what you mean about not wanting to wait over the long weekend...good luck!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that some parents can have a good insight working with kids, of course there are a lot of really bad parents out there too. I can tolerate the idea of a parent coaching within the same club his/her child plays on, just not the same team she plays on. Parents wether highly qualified or not, donate much time at the lower levels in many sports where they are sorely needed as it is volunteer work. This is club ball, paid position and the politics of daughter and friends benefiting should be avoided at all costs. So far TG's have avoided this situation, I think on purpose. This rips teams apart at the seams, go back on this and all the other threads and you will see exactly that.

This is a crazy statement. Steve Levy is a parent coach, and coaches his daughters team. There is

more than 1 girl on that team that benefits from a relationship with his daughter.

"Daddy Coach" and "Mommy Coach" syndrome should be avoided at all costs no matter how good everyone thinks he or she is, whether it be club or high school. It eliminates even the hint of impropriety. For every one where it works, there are many, many that absolutely do not and I have seen it first hand in my kids' school and club teams. Every time I get into a conversation with a parent from another community, they complain about the same thing. There are not too many exceptions that I have heard where it works fairly. Number 1 for these parent coaches is their kid.

This is your exception then. My kid is on his team and not only is he a great coach but a great guy as well. He NEVER puts his kid first in fact at times puts her last. These type of opinions really should be given publicly only if there is first hand experience. Are you saying Duke should not have allowed Matt Danowski to play under his Dad?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of the girls were told BY Monday, which is why we are checking every day!I hope I make it!Wish they would send it soon!

If your a parent you need to get a grip. You won't be making anything you daughter wii!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of the girls were told BY Monday, which is why we are checking every day!I hope I make it!Wish they would send it soon!

If your a parent you need to get a grip. You won't be making anything you daughter wii!

"I hope "I" make it" should be clear this is a girl who tried out. Good luck to her.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that some parents can have a good insight working with kids, of course there are a lot of really bad parents out there too. I can tolerate the idea of a parent coaching within the same club his/her child plays on, just not the same team she plays on. Parents wether highly qualified or not, donate much time at the lower levels in many sports where they are sorely needed as it is volunteer work. This is club ball, paid position and the politics of daughter and friends benefiting should be avoided at all costs. So far TG's have avoided this situation, I think on purpose. This rips teams apart at the seams, go back on this and all the other threads and you will see exactly that.

This is a crazy statement. Steve Levy is a parent coach, and coaches his daughters team. There is

more than 1 girl on that team that benefits from a relationship with his daughter.

"Daddy Coach" and "Mommy Coach" syndrome should be avoided at all costs no matter how good everyone thinks he or she is, whether it be club or high school. It eliminates even the hint of impropriety. For every one where it works, there are many, many that absolutely do not and I have seen it first hand in my kids' school and club teams. Every time I get into a conversation with a parent from another community, they complain about the same thing. There are not too many exceptions that I have heard where it works fairly. Number 1 for these parent coaches is their kid.

This is your exception then. My kid is on his team and not only is he a great coach but a great guy as well. He NEVER puts his kid first in fact at times puts her last. These type of opinions really should be given publicly only if there is first hand experience. Are you saying Duke should not have allowed Matt Danowski to play under his Dad?

The ratio of where Parent Coaches work to where they don't work is a little to a lot as many people will attest. Note that I said club and high school. College - different story. College coaches wouldn't last like some of the "lifer" hs coaches do if they continued to do that. It is rampant on Long Island, especially where coaches' kids get pushed to the head of the class. Parents have no recourse. If it happened in college and was allowed, one could transfer. One is stuck in high school because of one's address. That shouldn't be a reason to pay tuition at a different private high school.
Matt Danowski was an established, unbelievably proven, talented player long before his father came to Duke. THAT situation is a true exception. I am talking about the Parent Coaches who put their kid first to get them to the college stage! I would imagine that many on this forum have stories to tell. I certainly do of the experience at our high school. It was sickening!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that some parents can have a good insight working with kids, of course there are a lot of really bad parents out there too. I can tolerate the idea of a parent coaching within the same club his/her child plays on, just not the same team she plays on. Parents wether highly qualified or not, donate much time at the lower levels in many sports where they are sorely needed as it is volunteer work. This is club ball, paid position and the politics of daughter and friends benefiting should be avoided at all costs. So far TG's have avoided this situation, I think on purpose. This rips teams apart at the seams, go back on this and all the other threads and you will see exactly that.

This is a crazy statement. Steve Levy is a parent coach, and coaches his daughters team. There is

more than 1 girl on that team that benefits from a relationship with his daughter.

"Daddy Coach" and "Mommy Coach" syndrome should be avoided at all costs no matter how good everyone thinks he or she is, whether it be club or high school. It eliminates even the hint of impropriety. For every one where it works, there are many, many that absolutely do not and I have seen it first hand in my kids' school and club teams. Every time I get into a conversation with a parent from another community, they complain about the same thing. There are not too many exceptions that I have heard where it works fairly. Number 1 for these parent coaches is their kid.

This is your exception then. My kid is on his team and not only is he a great coach but a great guy as well. He NEVER puts his kid first in fact at times puts her last. These type of opinions really should be given publicly only if there is first hand experience. Are you saying Duke should not have allowed Matt Danowski to play under his Dad?

The ratio of where Parent Coaches work to where they don't work is a little to a lot as many people will attest. Note that I said club and high school. College - different story. College coaches wouldn't last like some of the "lifer" hs coaches do if they continued to do that. It is rampant on Long Island, especially where coaches' kids get pushed to the head of the class. Parents have no recourse. If it happened in college and was allowed, one could transfer. One is stuck in high school because of one's address. That shouldn't be a reason to pay tuition at a different private high school.
Matt Danowski was an established, unbelievably proven, talented player long before his father came to Duke. THAT situation is a true exception. I am talking about the Parent Coaches who put their kid first to get them to the college stage! I would imagine that many on this forum have stories to tell. I certainly do of the experience at our high school. It was sickening!

Our coach promoted his son so much without just cause and neglected/abused the other players while he did this for FOUR YEARS!
Thought it ended when his son graduated but now he neglects his players/job while he gets his daughter recruited and ingratiates himself to her coach. Has athletic director in his corner so parents left with no recourse like was previously said.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that some parents can have a good insight working with kids, of course there are a lot of really bad parents out there too. I can tolerate the idea of a parent coaching within the same club his/her child plays on, just not the same team she plays on. Parents wether highly qualified or not, donate much time at the lower levels in many sports where they are sorely needed as it is volunteer work. This is club ball, paid position and the politics of daughter and friends benefiting should be avoided at all costs. So far TG's have avoided this situation, I think on purpose. This rips teams apart at the seams, go back on this and all the other threads and you will see exactly that.

This is a crazy statement. Steve Levy is a parent coach, and coaches his daughters team. There is

more than 1 girl on that team that benefits from a relationship with his daughter.

"Daddy Coach" and "Mommy Coach" syndrome should be avoided at all costs no matter how good everyone thinks he or she is, whether it be club or high school. It eliminates even the hint of impropriety. For every one where it works, there are many, many that absolutely do not and I have seen it first hand in my kids' school and club teams. Every time I get into a conversation with a parent from another community, they complain about the same thing. There are not too many exceptions that I have heard where it works fairly. Number 1 for these parent coaches is their kid.

This is your exception then. My kid is on his team and not only is he a great coach but a great guy as well. He NEVER puts his kid first in fact at times puts her last. These type of opinions really should be given publicly only if there is first hand experience. Are you saying Duke should not have allowed Matt Danowski to play under his Dad?

The ratio of where Parent Coaches work to where they don't work is a little to a lot as many people will attest. Note that I said club and high school. College - different story. College coaches wouldn't last like some of the "lifer" hs coaches do if they continued to do that. It is rampant on Long Island, especially where coaches' kids get pushed to the head of the class. Parents have no recourse. If it happened in college and was allowed, one could transfer. One is stuck in high school because of one's address. That shouldn't be a reason to pay tuition at a different private high school.
Matt Danowski was an established, unbelievably proven, talented player long before his father came to Duke. THAT situation is a true exception. I am talking about the Parent Coaches who put their kid first to get them to the college stage! I would imagine that many on this forum have stories to tell. I certainly do of the experience at our high school. It was sickening!

All I am saying is that is not the case with Coach Levy on this particular TG team. Sorry for your HS experience. Which HS is it by the way?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of the girls were told BY Monday, which is why we are checking every day!I hope I make it!Wish they would send it soon!

If your a parent you need to get a grip. You won't be making anything you daughter wii!

Man....shut up yellow jackoff.

All I am saying is that is not the case with Coach Levy on this particular TG team. Sorry for your HS experience. Which HS is it by the way? [/quote]

South shore, girls' program superior to boys' because of difference in devotion of coaches. More than one fit this description, right? Would rather not name school but hope all coaches read this and think it's them. Of course, the coach in question would never think it is him being described.

I just want to set the record straight. AS was PHENOMINAL as a coach this past summer with the 19 group. I'll admit. I was aprehensive first practice. In my mind I went in thinking girls team =girl coach. The girls respected and responded to his coaching style. The assistant was great too. Granted they had an extraordinarily talented bunch of players. But sometimes the good kids are harder to coach than the average kids. I just couldn't let that comment pass by with out someone adding their 2 cents worth about AS.
I'm sure majority families on team would agree.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of the girls were told BY Monday, which is why we are checking every day!I hope I make it!Wish they would send it soon!

If your a parent you need to get a grip. You won't be making anything you daughter wii!

Man....shut up yellow jackoff.

Scary that when the blogs don't go your way you always turn to YJ. Look in the mirror and there lies the problem. This is not about them this time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just want to set the record straight. AS was PHENOMINAL as a coach this past summer with the 19 group. I'll admit. I was aprehensive first practice. In my mind I went in thinking girls team =girl coach. The girls respected and responded to his coaching style. The assistant was great too. Granted they had an extraordinarily talented bunch of players. But sometimes the good kids are harder to coach than the average kids. I just couldn't let that comment pass by with out someone adding their 2 cents worth about AS.
I'm sure majority families on team would agree.

Anyone else tired of this group thinking they are the dream team of assembled talent.All the TG teams have great talent not just your bunch of super stars.Let's see what happens when your 2 best players get moved to 2020 ,You better watch that team now that they have your 2 superstars.

Lets face it... and EVERYONE, no matter what you respond, knows this is the case... The ones who complain are the ones who have a kid on the teams that don't get playing time because they are not cutting it so they wawawa about the coach. Get a job or a hobbie and stop crying about great coaches with talented kids!

I would LOVE my kids to be coached by Steve Levy whether he had 1 or 5 of his own kids on the team. He is an amazing coach and my kids would DEFINITELY become better, smarter, stronger players. When people complain like this, they exploit their own insecurities...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of the girls were told BY Monday, which is why we are checking every day!I hope I make it!Wish they would send it soon!

I believe that they will send out e-mails before any rosters are posted, notifing you if you have made it or not and are willing to accept the position,. Thats the way it has been done in the past.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just want to set the record straight. AS was PHENOMINAL as a coach this past summer with the 19 group. I'll admit. I was aprehensive first practice. In my mind I went in thinking girls team =girl coach. The girls respected and responded to his coaching style. The assistant was great too. Granted they had an extraordinarily talented bunch of players. But sometimes the good kids are harder to coach than the average kids. I just couldn't let that comment pass by with out someone adding their 2 cents worth about AS.
I'm sure majority families on team would agree.

You are right. Unfortunately the two or three complainers make the most noise. He is great with those kids and does not deserve the nasty comments that have been fabricated and posted about him. No worries cause I am sure he will continue his good work and the sad sacks will continue to post negative comments. Most come from the other side of the tracks anyway. Lol.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just want to set the record straight. AS was PHENOMINAL as a coach this past summer with the 19 group. I'll admit. I was aprehensive first practice. In my mind I went in thinking girls team =girl coach. The girls respected and responded to his coaching style. The assistant was great too. Granted they had an extraordinarily talented bunch of players. But sometimes the good kids are harder to coach than the average kids. I just couldn't let that comment pass by with out someone adding their 2 cents worth about AS.
I'm sure majority families on team would agree.

You are right. Unfortunately the two or three complainers make the most noise. He is great with those kids and does not deserve the nasty comments that have been fabricated and posted about him. No worries cause I am sure he will continue his good work and the sad sacks will continue to post negative comments. Most come from the other side of the tracks anyway. Lol.

Really? What tracks are those?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of the girls were told BY Monday, which is why we are checking every day!I hope I make it!Wish they would send it soon!

I believe that they will send out e-mails before any rosters are posted, notifing you if you have made it or not and are willing to accept the position,. Thats the way it has been done in the past.

They have to do it that way will not post rosters until checks are sent in.Not every kid will accept so that roster spot gets offered to next in line.I see people on here defending AS ,have people been complaining about his coaching?

Yes they said they would let us know by email. keeping evrything crossed! I hope I start 8th grade as a Top Gun player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of the girls were told BY Monday, which is why we are checking every day!I hope I make it!Wish they would send it soon!

I believe that they will send out e-mails before any rosters are posted, notifing you if you have made it or not and are willing to accept the position,. Thats the way it has been done in the past.

They have to do it that way will not post rosters until checks are sent in.Not every kid will accept so that roster spot gets offered to next in line.I see people on here defending AS ,have people been complaining about his coaching?

so i guess if the emails go out Monday, and the checks are due 9/17, rosters probably won't get posted until late September...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes they said they would let us know by email. keeping evrything crossed! I hope I start 8th grade as a Top Gun player.

Me Too Kiddo!! Good Luck

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would LOVE my kids to be coached by Steve Levy whether he had 1 or 5 of his own kids on the team. He is an amazing coach and my kids would DEFINITELY become better, smarter, stronger players. When people complain like this, they exploit their own insecurities...

you must be from EI

YIKES!! Mechanicsville?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of the girls were told BY Monday, which is why we are checking every day!I hope I make it!Wish they would send it soon!

I believe that they will send out e-mails before any rosters are posted, notifing you if you have made it or not and are willing to accept the position,. Thats the way it has been done in the past.

They only send out email if you make it. If you don't you ont hear from them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of the girls were told BY Monday, which is why we are checking every day!I hope I make it!Wish they would send it soon!

I believe that they will send out e-mails before any rosters are posted, notifing you if you have made it or not and are willing to accept the position,. Thats the way it has been done in the past.

They only send out email if you make it. If you don't you ont hear from them.

That's silly, do it like most clubs. Post the rosters on the website the day you say you will. Set a hard deadline for payment. Payment not recieved, offer spots to next in line. Simple

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of the girls were told BY Monday, which is why we are checking every day!I hope I make it!Wish they would send it soon!

I believe that they will send out e-mails before any rosters are posted, notifing you if you have made it or not and are willing to accept the position,. Thats the way it has been done in the past.

They only send out email if you make it. If you don't you ont hear from them.

That's silly, do it like most clubs. Post the rosters on the website the day you say you will. Set a hard deadline for payment. Payment not recieved, offer spots to next in line. Simple

They cannot do it that way the select few have to first pick which team and age group they are going to play.Cannot put up rosters until they decide which team they are going to let play with them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of the girls were told BY Monday, which is why we are checking every day!I hope I make it!Wish they would send it soon!

I believe that they will send out e-mails before any rosters are posted, notifing you if you have made it or not and are willing to accept the position,. Thats the way it has been done in the past.

They only send out email if you make it. If you don't you ont hear from them.

That's silly, do it like most clubs. Post the rosters on the website the day you say you will. Set a hard deadline for payment. Payment not recieved, offer spots to next in line. Simple

Here is the problem with that. If they post a roster based soley on selection and not acceptance then kids trying out from other clubs get tagged. Example, your daughter plays for yj and tries out, and there were many kids from yj's doing this, let's say they make the purple team but don't want to play as they were hoping for a spot on the black team. Well now they are tagged and it will be uncomfortable for them to go back. This is respecting the players privacy and choice and should be the way all clubs operate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just want to set the record straight. AS was PHENOMINAL as a coach this past summer with the 19 group. I'll admit. I was aprehensive first practice. In my mind I went in thinking girls team =girl coach. The girls respected and responded to his coaching style. The assistant was great too. Granted they had an extraordinarily talented bunch of players. But sometimes the good kids are harder to coach than the average kids. I just couldn't let that comment pass by with out someone adding their 2 cents worth about AS.
I'm sure majority families on team would agree.

I agree with you. I thought AS did a great job with the team this year. I'm not sure why someone who was not even on the team would complain about his coaching?? We were very happy with his coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of the girls were told BY Monday, which is why we are checking every day!I hope I make it!Wish they would send it soon!

I believe that they will send out e-mails before any rosters are posted, notifing you if you have made it or not and are willing to accept the position,. Thats the way it has been done in the past.

They only send out email if you make it. If you don't you ont hear from them.

That's silly, do it like most clubs. Post the rosters on the website the day you say you will. Set a hard deadline for payment. Payment not recieved, offer spots to next in line. Simple

Here is the problem with that. If they post a roster based soley on selection and not acceptance then kids trying out from other clubs get tagged. Example, your daughter plays for yj and tries out, and there were many kids from yj's doing this, let's say they make the purple team but don't want to play as they were hoping for a spot on the black team. Well now they are tagged and it will be uncomfortable for them to go back. This is respecting the players privacy and choice and should be the way all clubs operate.

Exactly, no players names should be posted without them accepting their spot on the team. That only seems right I would think.
Only 2 days away from finding out anyway. Is it true if you don't make a team you don't get a call or email? That seems wrong.

Last year they didnt cash the deposit checks until November.
I actually called to confirm they received it, since it hadnt been cashed. BS said he was in no hurry to cash them. Sign of commitment to team.I asked several other families if their checks were cashed--some didnt know and 1 checked and said it wasnt cashed.
So whoever posted that they cant post rosters till check is cashed is dead wrong.

People complain because they are JEALOUS that's why! If that hole who said enough about the 19 black team ever seen them play they would understand..
that little 19black played 18a all summer long and wooped some sass only lost 2 games by 1 pt each. not bad not bad at all
and the girl you are talking about who is a 20 girl who is the best on the team got leftor held back. shes older than my 19 daughter. that team is stacked with talent hoping that the new girls being picked up are equally talented. At the tryout thaere was a big drop off thu0gh in talent so we will see.
proof will be not only on roster but on the feld next summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of the girls were told BY Monday, which is why we are checking every day!I hope I make it!Wish they would send it soon!

I believe that they will send out e-mails before any rosters are posted, notifing you if you have made it or not and are willing to accept the position,. Thats the way it has been done in the past.

They only send out email if you make it. If you don't you ont hear from them.

That's silly, do it like most clubs. Post the rosters on the website the day you say you will. Set a hard deadline for payment. Payment not recieved, offer spots to next in line. Simple

Here is the problem with that. If they post a roster based soley on selection and not acceptance then kids trying out from other clubs get tagged. Example, your daughter plays for yj and tries out, and there were many kids from yj's doing this, let's say they make the purple team but don't want to play as they were hoping for a spot on the black team. Well now they are tagged and it will be uncomfortable for them to go back. This is respecting the players privacy and choice and should be the way all clubs operate.

Exactly, no players names should be posted without them accepting their spot on the team. That only seems right I would think.
Only 2 days away from finding out anyway. Is it true if you don't make a team you don't get a call or email? That seems wrong.

That would be wrong, to not email the players who don't get selected...everyone should get the courtesy of an email, letting them know, and thanking them for trying out. Also, maybe some of the players that don't make it will get called, if some players don't accept...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just want to set the record straight. AS was PHENOMINAL as a coach this past summer with the 19 group. I'll admit. I was aprehensive first practice. In my mind I went in thinking girls team =girl coach. The girls respected and responded to his coaching style. The assistant was great too. Granted they had an extraordinarily talented bunch of players. But sometimes the good kids are harder to coach than the average kids. I just couldn't let that comment pass by with out someone adding their 2 cents worth about AS.
I'm sure majority families on team would agree.

I agree with you. I thought AS did a great job with the team this year. I'm not sure why someone who was not even on the team would complain about his coaching?? We were very happy with his coaching.

I think he will become a descent girls lacrosse coach but at this point should be an assistant to s,omeone who has actual girls lacrosse experience.The other issue is the fact he does equal playing time in close games.This is travel lacrosse play to win. The team had a chance to be undefeated except AS felt pressure from parents to play the kidsvequal time, when you have 1 line clearly more dominant ,that line should play more in the competitive games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last year they didnt cash the deposit checks until November.
I actually called to confirm they received it, since it hadnt been cashed. BS said he was in no hurry to cash them. Sign of commitment to team.I asked several other families if their checks were cashed--some didnt know and 1 checked and said it wasnt cashed.
So whoever posted that they cant post rosters till check is cashed is dead wrong.

I think the kids and parent have the right to know who is on the roster before accepting the spot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last year they didnt cash the deposit checks until November.
I actually called to confirm they received it, since it hadnt been cashed. BS said he was in no hurry to cash them. Sign of commitment to team.I asked several other families if their checks were cashed--some didnt know and 1 checked and said it wasnt cashed.
So whoever posted that they cant post rosters till check is cashed is dead wrong.

Not even sure where to start,they will not know the final rosters until the checks are in the least received. It is really the only way to do it,Taking his slow deposit into his bank account as a sign of commitment to a team ,then why even have you send a check in so early?It's a business and is done to make money, all the clubs are about making money.

[quote=]
and the girl you are talking about who is a 20 girl who is the best on the team got leftor held back. shes older than my 19 daughter. [/quote]
While this is known to be true, this is not the girls fault, so let's not bash young girls

Originally Posted by laxdad2

People complain because they are JEALOUS that's why! If that hole who said enough about the 19 black team ever seen them play they would understand..
that little 19black played 18a all summer long and wooped some sass only lost 2 games by 1 pt each. not bad not bad at all
and the girl you are talking about who is a 20 girl who is the best on the team got leftor held back. shes older than my 19 daughter. that team is stacked with talent hoping that the new girls being picked up are equally talented. At the tryout thaere was a big drop off thu0gh in talent so we will see.
proof will be not only on roster but on the feld next summer

You are the biggest moron I have seen on here and could not possibly be a TG parent.First 2019 played their age group all year ,just happens some tournaments have mixed age groups.Second you have the scores wrong so I assume you do not have a child in this group.What makes you the biggest moron is even discussing whether some 11 year old got left back in school.If you do actually have a child on the team you may be the reason other TG parents dislike that group,"stacked with talent" ,take your hold back (your words not mine) off that team and they are average at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last year they didnt cash the deposit checks until November.
I actually called to confirm they received it, since it hadnt been cashed. BS said he was in no hurry to cash them. Sign of commitment to team.I asked several other families if their checks were cashed--some didnt know and 1 checked and said it wasnt cashed.
So whoever posted that they cant post rosters till check is cashed is dead wrong.

I think the kids and parent have the right to know who is on the roster before accepting the spot.

That's a joke. Have your daughter look left and look right at the tryouts. If she doesn't like the girls trying out, go home. Your saying she should have the ability to see who else accepts a spot before accepting one of her own. If everyone had this moronic theory no team would ever have a first girl commit to a team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last year they didnt cash the deposit checks until November.
I actually called to confirm they received it, since it hadnt been cashed. BS said he was in no hurry to cash them. Sign of commitment to team.I asked several other families if their checks were cashed--some didnt know and 1 checked and said it wasnt cashed.
So whoever posted that they cant post rosters till check is cashed is dead wrong.

I think the kids and parent have the right to know who is on the roster before accepting the spot.

That's a joke. Have your daughter look left and look right at the tryouts. If she doesn't like the girls trying out, go home. Your saying she should have the ability to see who else accepts a spot before accepting one of her own. If everyone had this moronic theory no team would ever have a first girl commit to a team.

That is assuming the best girls make it and there are no politics! Now that's moronic. We all know that the top team is going to be good. After that there are lots of politics. I don't want my duaghter playing with political placements. I want her playing with kids of equal ability.

oh well, I stayed up until 12:05 hoping I would see an email but it didn't come. Maybe when I wake up in the morning I will have a great surprise.But if they only let players know who are on the team can somebosy post when they get their email please? Thank you and good luck!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by laxdad2

People complain because they are JEALOUS that's why! If that hole who said enough about the 19 black team ever seen them play they would understand..
that little 19black played 18a all summer long and wooped some sass only lost 2 games by 1 pt each. not bad not bad at all
and the girl you are talking about who is a 20 girl who is the best on the team got leftor held back. shes older than my 19 daughter. that team is stacked with talent hoping that the new girls being picked up are equally talented. At the tryout thaere was a big drop off thu0gh in talent so we will see.
proof will be not only on roster but on the feld next summer

You are the biggest moron I have seen on here and could not possibly be a TG parent.First 2019 played their age group all year ,just happens some tournaments have mixed age groups.Second you have the scores wrong so I assume you do not have a child in this group.What makes you the biggest moron is even discussing whether some 11 year old got left back in school.If you do actually have a child on the team you may be the reason other TG parents dislike that group,"stacked with talent" ,take your hold back (your words not mine) off that team and they are average at best.

You're both morons!!!

That would be great if someone can let us know if they get an email. Otherwise we will be wondering all day. I was hoping we would know by now.

having gone through this, just wait it out. If you get an email you will know. Does it make a difference if you are the first or last to get an email.

Do you know if they are sending them out in waves, maybe you are not the first wave that is ok. I know it is hard and you will be looking at your email all day, but enjoy your last few days of the summer. you will be better off later in life if you just go about your day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That would be great if someone can let us know if they get an email. Otherwise we will be wondering all day. I was hoping we would know by now.

I got the email invite, so the process has begun. Best of luck to all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

having gone through this, just wait it out. If you get an email you will know. Does it make a difference if you are the first or last to get an email.

Do you know if they are sending them out in waves, maybe you are not the first wave that is ok. I know it is hard and you will be looking at your email all day, but enjoy your last few days of the summer. you will be better off later in life if you just go about your day.

2019 emails started going out

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That would be great if someone can let us know if they get an email. Otherwise we will be wondering all day. I was hoping we would know by now.

I got the email invite, so the process has begun. Best of luck to all.

Thanks Powder, same to you. What class is your daughter? Just wondering, since we didn't get email yet...

did anyone here from 2017

2016 emails out. Good luck to all!!!

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That would be great if someone can let us know if they get an email. Otherwise we will be wondering all day. I was hoping we would know by now.

I got the email invite, so the process has begun. Best of luck to all.

What year??? Please

Originally Posted by Anonymous

having gone through this, just wait it out. If you get an email you will know. Does it make a difference if you are the first or last to get an email.

Do you know if they are sending them out in waves, maybe you are not the first wave that is ok. I know it is hard and you will be looking at your email all day, but enjoy your last few days of the summer. you will be better off later in life if you just go about your day.

2019 emails started going out

2016 emails sent out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

having gone through this, just wait it out. If you get an email you will know. Does it make a difference if you are the first or last to get an email.

Do you know if they are sending them out in waves, maybe you are not the first wave that is ok. I know it is hard and you will be looking at your email all day, but enjoy your last few days of the summer. you will be better off later in life if you just go about your day.

2019 emails started going out

Any other teams get theirs yet?

I guess I didn't make it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

having gone through this, just wait it out. If you get an email you will know. Does it make a difference if you are the first or last to get an email.

Do you know if they are sending them out in waves, maybe you are not the first wave that is ok. I know it is hard and you will be looking at your email all day, but enjoy your last few days of the summer. you will be better off later in life if you just go about your day.

2019 emails started going out

any 2017's hear anything yet?

not yet

any 2020?

Any word on 2020?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That would be great if someone can let us know if they get an email. Otherwise we will be wondering all day. I was hoping we would know by now.

I got the email invite, so the process has begun. Best of luck to all.

What year??? Please

Sorry, wasn't thinking. 2015.

2018 emails are out. Good luck to everyone

For those of you that are waiting....the 2020 emails were sent out. Good Luck !

Are they letting people know who didn't make it???

2020 emails went out @ 330

Did they send out both black and purple?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

having gone through this, just wait it out. If you get an email you will know. Does it make a difference if you are the first or last to get an email.

Do you know if they are sending them out in waves, maybe you are not the first wave that is ok. I know it is hard and you will be looking at your email all day, but enjoy your last few days of the summer. you will be better off later in life if you just go about your day.

2019 emails started going out

any 2017's hear anything yet?

Nothing on 2017 yet.

As far as 2015 goes i cant believe there not going to upgrade there goalie, There #1 is very good but there were 2 better goalies at tryouts for that second slot that are just as good as the #1

i know black went out not sure of purple.

I'm a newbie Dad to Top Guns. My daughter just made one of the 2018 teams. Do all the teams within the same year practice together or separately and whether all 2018 teams play in the same tournaments but just in different divisions etc.?

Any help / guidance would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Peter

does anyone know if they have added a third team at any age group ?

Did the select few make their team selection yet?

2017s email is out

Here is how I think it works the teams get picked and the emails go out. Just because you didn't get an email doesn't mean you are out of it. Some girls make the purple team and turn it down looking to play on a "A" team for another program. Those spots get offered to the next girl on the depth chart. Spots also open up when girls that played black last year but were offered purple this year choose to try another program. Just wait till the deadlines for deposits pass you may be the next girl on the list.

Do we only get an email if they made a team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm a newbie Dad to Top Guns. My daughter just made one of the 2018 teams. Do all the teams within the same year practice together or separately and whether all 2018 teams play in the same tournaments but just in different divisions etc.?

Any help / guidance would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Peter

I can't speak for all age levels but I assume it's the same, so with that caveat --

The same age levels practice at the same time/location but not together. They attend the same tournaments but different divisions.

I heard there is a white team in the 2018

Really interesting?? How do you know what goalies made it?

Play in the same tournaments, just different divisions. As far as practice for the most part practice on same days, but will practice with own teams. Congratulations to your daughter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm a newbie Dad to Top Guns. My daughter just made one of the 2018 teams. Do all the teams within the same year practice together or separately and whether all 2018 teams play in the same tournaments but just in different divisions etc.?

Any help / guidance would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Peter

2020 black and purple did go out!

black and purple do not practice together at all. They are two differant teams, and are treated as such.

Thanks. Been looking for an email all day!

Thank you for the insight and the congrats. She is psyched.

Check your Spam filter ... that's where I found mine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard there is a white team in the 2018

I hope not. That would be just a money team.

So far I have only officially heard of a black and purple team. Don't know anyone who was placed on a white team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard there is a white team in the 2018

I hope not. That would be just a money team.

I understand why you could think that, but I know a couple of the girls who made the white team and they are good players; hopefully they get good coaches to make them them better. Some of these girls have skills that are on par with some of the girls on purple but if a returning purple player and a new player are about the same, I think the returning purple player would get the nod to stay on purple.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

black and purple do not practice together at all. They are two differant teams, and are treated as such.

If that's true then shame on the organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As far as 2015 goes i cant believe there not going to upgrade there goalie, There #1 is very good but there were 2 better goalies at tryouts for that second slot that are just as good as the #1

Really? Their goalies are pretty good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard there is a white team in the 2018

I hope not. That would be just a money team.

I understand why you could think that, but I know a couple of the girls who made the white team and they are good players; hopefully they get good coaches to make them them better. Some of these girls have skills that are on par with some of the girls on purple but if a returning purple player and a new player are about the same, I think the returning purple player would get the nod to stay on purple.

The first time TG gets enough kids at a try-out to make 3 teams in an age group it happens. Seems she is following in CR footsteps, stop thinking you are are anything but YJ wannabes .Only a short time before you earn the thuggish label like your better long island rivals. Both you and your YJ friends should not even pretend you are elite travel teams anymore except at least YJ has won some national championship type tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

black and purple do not practice together at all. They are two differant teams, and are treated as such.

If that's true then shame on the organization.

Why?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As far as 2015 goes i cant believe there not going to upgrade there goalie, There #1 is very good but there were 2 better goalies at tryouts for that second slot that are just as good as the #1

How do you know they are not taking another goalie?

Oh great, my daughter made the purple team and we are considering switching over from another highly recognized team. Would like to hear from parents/players on the purple team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017s email is out

My niece (SCG)and 2 of her friends from YJ got the Black email!! So excited!!

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

black and purple do not practice together at all. They are two differant teams, and are treated as such.

If that's true then shame on the organization.

Why?

Why?? Why would an organization allow 2 same age groups to be treated so differently?? Girls move between teams all the time. Our organization changes girls every year but never allows one group of girls to be superior. Both teams should be treated and respected equally, with the coach stating immediately that one is not superior to the other. It's worked for us, we mix talent up all the time and the girls stay away from cliques.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017s email is out

My niece (SCG)and 2 of her friends from YJ got the Black email!! So excited!!

Seriously,how sad.I am sure YJ red will miss your nieces friends.

My daughter has played purple for two years . Each year I have seen the team improve as a team and my daughter has improved as a player and as a teammate. The Smiths have always told me that there goal is to have two A teams not an Black A team and a purple B team. The age groups practice on the same nights at the same time with thier respective coaches on side by side fields. An occasional scrimmage will occur at the end of a session. I am excited to see the new purple players that will be added to the roster.
In her first year thier was a drastic difference between the black and purple but as we enter year three I believe the end of practice scrimmages will be more competitive . Purple may loose but the blowout factor is a thing of the past! Reinforcing thier goal of having two A teams. By no means am I saying the purple is as good as the black I am just saying the gap is narrowing. As a parent I couldn't be happier with how my daughters have been treated and taught by the Top Gun Family! Yes I like the program so much that I have my youngest playing on the 20 black .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard there is a white team in the 2018

I hope not. That would be just a money team.

I understand why you could think that, but I know a couple of the girls who made the white team and they are good players; hopefully they get good coaches to make them them better. Some of these girls have skills that are on par with some of the girls on purple but if a returning purple player and a new player are about the same, I think the returning purple player would get the nod to stay on purple.

The first time TG gets enough kids at a try-out to make 3 teams in an age group it happens. Seems she is following in CR footsteps, stop thinking you are are anything but YJ wannabes .Only a short time before you earn the thuggish label like your better long island rivals. Both you and your YJ friends should not even pretend you are elite travel teams anymore except at least YJ has won some national championship type tournaments.

Don't let this type of rubbish bring down the level of discussion.
Congratulations to those who have made it so far. Remember some will not accept opening doors for others.

Forget Black and Purple for now, My daughter played for a highly recognized team, and I feel my daughter is easily a Black player that just made Purple, but I would rather her play on the Purple here than Black elsewhere. You have to look at the training and coaching she will receive at the club. MY daughters expierence at the tryout lets me know that I am in the right place. She told me that these girls were welcoming and fair and she wouldn't want to play on anyother club going forward. I feel this is a stepping stone to the Black team next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh great, my daughter made the purple team and we are considering switching over from another highly recognized team. Would like to hear from parents/players on the purple team?

which graduating class?

your niece ? yeah ok and your on this site because why your NIECE .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter has played purple for two years . Each year I have seen the team improve as a team and my daughter has improved as a player and as a teammate. The Smiths have always told me that there goal is to have two A teams not an Black A team and a purple B team. The age groups practice on the same nights at the same time with thier respective coaches on side by side fields. An occasional scrimmage will occur at the end of a session. I am excited to see the new purple players that will be added to the roster.
In her first year thier was a drastic difference between the black and purple but as we enter year three I believe the end of practice scrimmages will be more competitive . Purple may loose but the blowout factor is a thing of the past! Reinforcing thier goal of having two A teams. By no means am I saying the purple is as good as the black I am just saying the gap is narrowing. As a parent I couldn't be happier with how my daughters have been treated and taught by the Top Gun Family! Yes I like the program so much that I have my youngest playing on the 20 black .

Your post is very encouraging. We're new to Top Guns, and looking forward to it. We were also impressed with the tryouts, the skill level that was there, and we think it's the right place for our daughter, and our family. What age group are you referring to with the growth of the purple team? Thanks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh great, my daughter made the purple team and we are considering switching over from another highly recognized team. Would like to hear from parents/players on the purple team?

What year ? My daughter made 2016 along with some other new girls ( all good players ) does anyone know if a large turnover was expected ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why?? Why would an organization allow 2 same age groups to be treated so differently?? Girls move between teams all the time. Our organization changes girls every year but never allows one group of girls to be superior. Both teams should be treated and respected equally, with the coach stating immediately that one is not superior to the other. It's worked for us, we mix talent up all the time and the girls stay away from cliques.

They are not treated differently. Where do you come up with this stuff? They have separate practices, each run by their own coaches. No one is disrespected, it's more like each team is getting its own individualized attention.

As for mixing the talent, say what? This isn't intramural lacrosse, some town team trying to appease the masses. This is competitive lacrosse. The girls on different teams are friendly, the girls within the teams are friendly.

What club are you affiliated with where all the talent is mixed across teams? I have never seen or heard of that, color me skeptical of your claim.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

your niece ? yeah ok and your on this site because why your NIECE .

Yes, my niece. We are a very supportive family and she was practicing all summer long to make a Top Guns team, didn't care if it was black or purple. All 3 girls are very talented lacrosse players. I look forward to attending as many games as my disability allows me to, and I wish all of the girls success as they create memories that will last a lifetime.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

black and purple do not practice together at all. They are two differant teams, and are treated as such.

If that's true then shame on the organization.

Why?

Why?? Why would an organization allow 2 same age groups to be treated so differently?? Girls move between teams all the time. Our organization changes girls every year but never allows one group of girls to be superior. Both teams should be treated and respected equally, with the coach stating immediately that one is not superior to the other. It's worked for us, we mix talent up all the time and the girls stay away from cliques.

Who said one was treated as superior? Those are your words. They practice separately as they should. They are both awesome groups and are treated as such. Pot stirring dismissed!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

your niece ? yeah ok and your on this site because why your NIECE .

Yes, my niece. We are a very supportive family and she was practicing all summer long to make a Top Guns team, didn't care if it was black or purple. All 3 girls are very talented lacrosse players. I look forward to attending as many games as my disability allows me to, and I wish all of the girls success as they create memories that will last a lifetime.

Welcome and be sure to introduce yourself to the returning parents so as to get your extended family in the loop. Lots to do for the tailgates! Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter has played purple for two years . Each year I have seen the team improve as a team and my daughter has improved as a player and as a teammate. The Smiths have always told me that there goal is to have two A teams not an Black A team and a purple B team. The age groups practice on the same nights at the same time with thier respective coaches on side by side fields. An occasional scrimmage will occur at the end of a session. I am excited to see the new purple players that will be added to the roster.

In her first year thier was a drastic difference between the black and purple but as we enter year three I believe the end of practice scrimmages will be more competitive . Purple may loose but the blowout factor is a thing of the past! Reinforcing thier goal of having two A teams. By no means am I saying the purple is as good as the black I am just saying the gap is narrowing. As a parent I couldn't be happier with how my daughters have been treated and taught by the Top Gun Family! Yes I like the program so much that I have my youngest playing on the 20 black .

What age group has your older daughter been playing for w/ TG?

Don't worry about the age group. I have friends from my town that I know very well in every age group except two with black and purple players. They would all agree with me . Remember this program is still growing I may be wrong but I believe it is going into its 4th year and seems to be heading in the right direction. I can only speak about what I have seen and experienced. My daughters have never played for any other program so I cant compare one to another. All I know about other programs is what I hear from the rumor mill and all of that I pay no attention to. I wish you well in your decision and hope you choose a program that works best for your daughter and your family. I have no regrets on my decision for my girls to play top guns. In year two of my older daughters team there was a big turnover of players. All the new girls and families were welcomed by everyone ! My daughter has made great friendships with all of the new players which has me driving 40 minutes each way for sleepovers and parties. If that is my biggest problem with her playing I guess I have it pretty good!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't worry about the age group. I have friends from my town that I know very well in every age group except two with black and purple players. They would all agree with me . Remember this program is still growing I may be wrong but I believe it is going into its 4th year and seems to be heading in the right direction. I can only speak about what I have seen and experienced. My daughters have never played for any other program so I cant compare one to another. All I know about other programs is what I hear from the rumor mill and all of that I pay no attention to. I wish you well in your decision and hope you choose a program that works best for your daughter and your family. I have no regrets on my decision for my girls to play top guns. In year two of my older daughters team there was a big turnover of players. All the new girls and families were welcomed by everyone ! My daughter has made great friendships with all of the new players which has me driving 40 minutes each way for sleepovers and parties. If that is my biggest problem with her playing I guess I have it pretty good!

Thanks for your response!

I did a search just now looking for a top guns thread. We are torn. Our experience on the purple team has not been great, actually its been very disappointing. Coaching was second rate. Brand new coach. Nice girl, new nothing about coaching. Didn't see her get much help up until maybe the 2nd tournament. Most of the practices were lame. Shannon would work with the black team and teach them strategy and purple would just do routine drills. In the winter league they run Shannon would be coaching black in a game against purple - who had no coaches. We totally have totally felt like second class citizens this year. If you are on black that's one thing. Purple is not treated the same.

If you want your daughter to make the black team it's very easy. 1) Have her insist on taking the draw. They NEVER do it doing practice (and by the way the 2017 never scrimmaged at a practice-not once)and tell her to go right to the goal. She doesn't have to pass to anyone and won't be corrected. 2) Follow Mr. Smith around like a duckling and quack in his ear. 3)Live in one of the Islips. Glad I saved my $35, see you in Maryland.

HAHA. I know the forumula you are so right! My kid is a great, smart player. Looks like time to find her a program that will appreciate that.

Oh and our year we played black all the time and rumor had it they were instructed not to run the score up more than +5, but they could have. Shameful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I did a search just now looking for a top guns thread. We are torn. Our experience on the purple team has not been great, actually its been very disappointing. Coaching was second rate. Brand new coach. Nice girl, new nothing about coaching. Didn't see her get much help up until maybe the 2nd tournament. Most of the practices were lame. Shannon would work with the black team and teach them strategy and purple would just do routine drills. In the winter league they run Shannon would be coaching black in a game against purple - who had no coaches. We totally have totally felt like second class citizens this year. If you are on black that's one thing. Purple is not treated the same.

If this is true (I admit I have no idea) ,that would be terriblle, now imagine how a white team will be treated or if your on a team that has a kid outside the 50 mile radius.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want your daughter to make the black team it's very easy. 1) Have her insist on taking the draw. They NEVER do it doing practice (and by the way the 2017 never scrimmaged at a practice-not once)and tell her to go right to the goal. She doesn't have to pass to anyone and won't be corrected. 2) Follow Mr. Smith around like a duckling and quack in his ear. 3)Live in one of the Islips. Glad I saved my $35, see you in Maryland.

Sorry your daughter got cut. Enjoy YJ red, green, yellow, and see if they pass the ball!

When we signed up TG claimed that they did not look at black and purple as A and B, but their goal was to have two competitive teams. This was not what they got - at least for our year. Purple was not even competitive at most of the tournaments - meanwhile black was always in the finals. Given their philosophy we really were scrathing our heads over why they even bothered having purple - and then not coaching it and trying to develop it. Maybe this has been different for other years - but this was our experience.

When there is turnover on one of the black teams, how likely are kids to actually move up from purple to black vesus, kids new to the program filling spots on the black teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want your daughter to make the black team it's very easy. 1) Have her insist on taking the draw. They NEVER do it doing practice (and by the way the 2017 never scrimmaged at a practice-not once)and tell her to go right to the goal. She doesn't have to pass to anyone and won't be corrected. 2) Follow Mr. Smith around like a duckling and quack in his ear. 3)Live in one of the Islips. Glad I saved my $35, see you in Maryland.

Hope your new club meets your expectations. Not my experience and my daughter doesn't meet any of your accusations. No worries though, good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I did a search just now looking for a top guns thread. We are torn. Our experience on the purple team has not been great, actually its been very disappointing. Coaching was second rate. Brand new coach. Nice girl, new nothing about coaching. Didn't see her get much help up until maybe the 2nd tournament. Most of the practices were lame. Shannon would work with the black team and teach them strategy and purple would just do routine drills. In the winter league they run Shannon would be coaching black in a game against purple - who had no coaches. We totally have totally felt like second class citizens this year. If you are on black that's one thing. Purple is not treated the same.

If this is true (I admit I have no idea) ,that would be terriblle, now imagine how a white team will be treated or if your on a team that has a kid outside the 50 mile radius.

And I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale...Cmon, every bunch has a few sour grapes. It's impossible to please everyone all the time. The organization and the Smiths are great. There's plenty of other clubs to choose from if your not happy. Most people scream and yell on their way out, it's just the way it is. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When we signed up TG claimed that they did not look at black and purple as A and B, but their goal was to have two competitive teams. This was not what they got - at least for our year. Purple was not even competitive at most of the tournaments - meanwhile black was always in the finals. Given their philosophy we really were scrathing our heads over why they even bothered having purple - and then not coaching it and trying to develop it. Maybe this has been different for other years - but this was our experience.

What age group?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want your daughter to make the black team it's very easy. 1) Have her insist on taking the draw. They NEVER do it doing practice (and by the way the 2017 never scrimmaged at a practice-not once)and tell her to go right to the goal. She doesn't have to pass to anyone and won't be corrected. 2) Follow Mr. Smith around like a duckling and quack in his ear. 3)Live in one of the Islips. Glad I saved my $35, see you in Maryland.

We haven't done any of that and made the team. Sorry it didn't work out for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As far as 2015 goes i cant believe there not going to upgrade there goalie, There #1 is very good but there were 2 better goalies at tryouts for that second slot that are just as good as the #1

Really? Their goalies are pretty good.

No response from the original poster commenting on the goalies yet?

As I have stated before, my daughter has played on other elite teams. She has always wanted to play TopGuns, but she didn't have any friends that played there, so we never tried out. She has decided to make lax her number 1 priority going forward and want's to play for a great club and Top Guns was her choice. In our expierence, none of the other clubs were very warm. Since her tryout at TopGuns, that's all she can talk about (she had said that theplayers from last years team were very receptive to her. Everything that we have seen thus far and based on our old expierences, Top Guns is the team for us. Good luck to all!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When we signed up TG claimed that they did not look at black and purple as A and B, but their goal was to have two competitive teams. This was not what they got - at least for our year. Purple was not even competitive at most of the tournaments - meanwhile black was always in the finals. Given their philosophy we really were scrathing our heads over why they even bothered having purple - and then not coaching it and trying to develop it. Maybe this has been different for other years - but this was our experience.

I'm sure they WANT two competitive teams. However, in travel lax, all the best players need to be on the top team, in order to compete at tournaments. I'm surprised they would tell you differently. What was their response when you reminded them about what they told you?

Every purple player should realize, going in, that you're the 2nd team, and therefore will NOT be treated exactly the same. Either go somewhere else, or make the best of it, work hard, and try to get better, and make black the following year.

I do think it depends on the age group, as you said. Groups with many girls to pick from should have a better chance to field a competitive purple team. I heard 2019 had very few girls, while 2017 got to pick the top 45 of about 70 players.

2019 age group can barely form 2 teams let alone 2 competitive teams.Their black 2019 has a very good starting group but there was a huge drop off in talent with the backups last year ,which could have been because many of the backups were in fact 2020.Did not see much new talent to replace those younger kids who were moved down so in my opinion the drop off will be even more steep this year.Hopefully some of those kids develop over the years to make a more balanced team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want your daughter to make the black team it's very easy. 1) Have her insist on taking the draw. They NEVER do it doing practice (and by the way the 2017 never scrimmaged at a practice-not once)and tell her to go right to the goal. She doesn't have to pass to anyone and won't be corrected. 2) Follow Mr. Smith around like a duckling and quack in his ear. 3)Live in one of the Islips. Glad I saved my $35, see you in Maryland.

My first experience with travel lacrosse. My daughter and her friends traveled a pretty long distance to try out for TG. They gave their best, and made black. None of this BS you speak of. You want your daughter to make black, tell her to work hard and she's got a chance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 age group can barely form 2 teams let alone 2 competitive teams.Their black 2019 has a very good starting group but there was a huge drop off in talent with the backups last year ,which could have been because many of the backups were in fact 2020.Did not see much new talent to replace those younger kids who were moved down so in my opinion the drop off will be even more steep this year.Hopefully some of those kids develop over the years to make a more balanced team.

The good thing is they are REALLY young so the talent levels will increase each year depending on the girl. We have seen tremendous individual improvement from year to year and that's the exciting part. Watching them grow in a positive encouraging environment is priceless. It's also why kids shouldn't be written off in 3rd or 4th grade if they can't catch and throw as well as others. Take it easy evaluating these young teams and maybe save it for the 2013s and 2014s where it's more appropriate. Remember today's cast off could be tomorrow's Shannon Smith!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want your daughter to make the black team it's very easy. 1) Have her insist on taking the draw. They NEVER do it doing practice (and by the way the 2017 never scrimmaged at a practice-not once)and tell her to go right to the goal. She doesn't have to pass to anyone and won't be corrected. 2) Follow Mr. Smith around like a duckling and quack in his ear. 3)Live in one of the Islips. Glad I saved my $35, see you in Maryland.

My first experience with travel lacrosse. My daughter and her friends traveled a pretty long distance to try out for TG. They gave their best, and made black. None of this BS you speak of. You want your daughter to make black, tell her to work hard and she's got a chance.

Well said!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want your daughter to make the black team it's very easy. 1) Have her insist on taking the draw. They NEVER do it doing practice (and by the way the 2017 never scrimmaged at a practice-not once)and tell her to go right to the goal. She doesn't have to pass to anyone and won't be corrected. 2) Follow Mr. Smith around like a duckling and quack in his ear. 3)Live in one of the Islips. Glad I saved my $35, see you in Maryland.

My first experience with travel lacrosse. My daughter and her friends traveled a pretty long distance to try out for TG. They gave their best, and made black. None of this BS you speak of. You want your daughter to make black, tell her to work hard and she's got a chance.

Don't worry your daughter will be moved to purple soon enough,let me guess you made black on the youngest level.Wait till all the nonsense starts ,the private lessons with the coach or someone in power ,then they will replace your daughter with someone from your coaches home school.Good luck all the hard work in the world doesn't trump connections and it sounds as if you and your daughter have none.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want your daughter to make the black team it's very easy. 1) Have her insist on taking the draw. They NEVER do it doing practice (and by the way the 2017 never scrimmaged at a practice-not once)and tell her to go right to the goal. She doesn't have to pass to anyone and won't be corrected. 2) Follow Mr. Smith around like a duckling and quack in his ear. 3)Live in one of the Islips. Glad I saved my $35, see you in Maryland.

My first experience with travel lacrosse. My daughter and her friends traveled a pretty long distance to try out for TG. They gave their best, and made black. None of this BS you speak of. You want your daughter to make black, tell her to work hard and she's got a chance.

Don't worry your daughter will be moved to purple soon enough,let me guess you made black on the youngest level.Wait till all the nonsense starts ,the private lessons with the coach or someone in power ,then they will replace your daughter with someone from your coaches home school.Good luck all the hard work in the world doesn't trump connections and it sounds as if you and your daughter have none.

Connections or talent will get your daughter on the teams, sounds like his daughter has talent. What's your deal?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want your daughter to make the black team it's very easy. 1) Have her insist on taking the draw. They NEVER do it doing practice (and by the way the 2017 never scrimmaged at a practice-not once)and tell her to go right to the goal. She doesn't have to pass to anyone and won't be corrected. 2) Follow Mr. Smith around like a duckling and quack in his ear. 3)Live in one of the Islips. Glad I saved my $35, see you in Maryland.

My first experience with travel lacrosse. My daughter and her friends traveled a pretty long distance to try out for TG. They gave their best, and made black. None of this BS you speak of. You want your daughter to make black, tell her to work hard and she's got a chance.

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Don't worry your daughter will be moved to purple soon enough,let me guess you made black on the youngest level.Wait till all the nonsense starts ,the private lessons with the coach or someone in power ,then they will replace your daughter with someone from your coaches home school.Good luck all the hard work in the world doesn't trump connections and it sounds as if you and your daughter have none.

Wow you are really negative. Sorry you have been dealt such bad cards. I hope you find a place you can be happy and good luck in the future.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want your daughter to make the black team it's very easy. 1) Have her insist on taking the draw. They NEVER do it doing practice (and by the way the 2017 never scrimmaged at a practice-not once)and tell her to go right to the goal. She doesn't have to pass to anyone and won't be corrected. 2) Follow Mr. Smith around like a duckling and quack in his ear. 3)Live in one of the Islips. Glad I saved my $35, see you in Maryland.

My first experience with travel lacrosse. My daughter and her friends traveled a pretty long distance to try out for TG. They gave their best, and made black. None of this BS you speak of. You want your daughter to make black, tell her to work hard and she's got a chance.

My daughter was on purple last year.We had an awesome time bonding with the parents and the girls all got along. I was able to watch quite a few black games and while they had talent I couldn't help but feel there was no "chemistry" amongst the girls. I am happy to say my daughter made purple again and I look forward to meeting new friends. I am hearing that many girls from both teams were cut, and while it saddens me I believe the intent is to make 2 strong "A" teams. Good luck to all of the girls where ever they land.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want your daughter to make the black team it's very easy. 1) Have her insist on taking the draw. They NEVER do it doing practice (and by the way the 2017 never scrimmaged at a practice-not once)and tell her to go right to the goal. She doesn't have to pass to anyone and won't be corrected. 2) Follow Mr. Smith around like a duckling and quack in his ear. 3)Live in one of the Islips. Glad I saved my $35, see you in Maryland.

My first experience with travel lacrosse. My daughter and her friends traveled a pretty long distance to try out for TG. They gave their best, and made black. None of this BS you speak of. You want your daughter to make black, tell her to work hard and she's got a chance.

Don't worry your daughter will be moved to purple soon enough,let me guess you made black on the youngest level.Wait till all the nonsense starts ,the private lessons with the coach or someone in power ,then they will replace your daughter with someone from your coaches home school.Good luck all the hard work in the world doesn't trump connections and it sounds as if you and your daughter have none.

You're assuming a lot here aren't you. Why so bitter, certainly must be better things to do with your time than to assume you know anything about my daughter or most other girls here. If there are these lessons to be learned I will learn them i suppose, but I will be the judge of all this. Your bad experience is none of my concern, I've heard the same stories from other parents, and I've heard great experiences from even others. You sound like a parent whose daughter got moved from black to purple and are upset about it. There are only two possible reasons for that to happen, 1) she just isn't as good as you think she is, or 2) what you say is true.
If it happens to my daughter I'll move on and won't spend a lot of time on a message board posting anonymously to strangers.
You are right , I don't have any connections...none at all. So my daughter earned her own shot and it is on her to work hard and keep that spot. I don't teach my child that it's someone else's fault if she doesn't succeed, I hope you don't either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want your daughter to make the black team it's very easy. 1) Have her insist on taking the draw. They NEVER do it doing practice (and by the way the 2017 never scrimmaged at a practice-not once)and tell her to go right to the goal. She doesn't have to pass to anyone and won't be corrected. 2) Follow Mr. Smith around like a duckling and quack in his ear. 3)Live in one of the Islips. Glad I saved my $35, see you in Maryland.

My first experience with travel lacrosse. My daughter and her friends traveled a pretty long distance to try out for TG. They gave their best, and made black. None of this BS you speak of. You want your daughter to make black, tell her to work hard and she's got a chance.

My daughter was on purple last year.We had an awesome time bonding with the parents and the girls all got along. I was able to watch quite a few black games and while they had talent I couldn't help but feel there was no "chemistry" amongst the girls. I am happy to say my daughter made purple again and I look forward to meeting new friends. I am hearing that many girls from both teams were cut, and while it saddens me I believe the intent is to make 2 strong "A" teams. Good luck to all of the girls where ever they land.

Sounds very encouraging. Which age group are you with?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 age group can barely form 2 teams let alone 2 competitive teams.Their black 2019 has a very good starting group but there was a huge drop off in talent with the backups last year ,which could have been because many of the backups were in fact 2020.Did not see much new talent to replace those younger kids who were moved down so in my opinion the drop off will be even more steep this year.Hopefully some of those kids develop over the years to make a more balanced team.

Really? I thougt there were quite a few talented 2020 girls. You have to keep in mind that they are a year younger than our 2019 girls, that year makes a big difference and for most this was their first year playing travel. Like you I am very concerned for our 2019 black team this year. We lost the 2020 girls and from what I saw there wasn't really anything all that impressive at tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When there is turnover on one of the black teams, how likely are kids to actually move up from purple to black vesus, kids new to the program filling spots on the black teams?

My experience is that the majority of kids new to the black teams come from outside TG. I think it's pretty tough to move from purple to black. Kudos to those who do.

I would not worry about the 2019 team. Competition is not strong at this age and the entire core team is back. The game is controlled by your strongest 10 kids. A few purple kids will slide in to replace some of the 2020's and a few new kids will do just fine as well. This team will continue to evolve over the next two years. Many talented kids don't start playing lax until 7th grade so there is an opportunity to pick up a few more strong kids in the coming years (new kids or transfers).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want your daughter to make the black team it's very easy. 1) Have her insist on taking the draw. They NEVER do it doing practice (and by the way the 2017 never scrimmaged at a practice-not once)and tell her to go right to the goal. She doesn't have to pass to anyone and won't be corrected. 2) Follow Mr. Smith around like a duckling and quack in his ear. 3)Live in one of the Islips. Glad I saved my $35, see you in Maryland.

My first experience with travel lacrosse. My daughter and her friends traveled a pretty long distance to try out for TG. They gave their best, and made black. None of this BS you speak of. You want your daughter to make black, tell her to work hard and she's got a chance.

Don't worry your daughter will be moved to purple soon enough,let me guess you made black on the youngest level.Wait till all the nonsense starts ,the private lessons with the coach or someone in power ,then they will replace your daughter with someone from your coaches home school.Good luck all the hard work in the world doesn't trump connections and it sounds as if you and your daughter have none.

You're assuming a lot here aren't you. Why so bitter, certainly must be better things to do with your time than to assume you know anything about my daughter or most other girls here. If there are these lessons to be learned I will learn them i suppose, but I will be the judge of all this. Your bad experience is none of my concern, I've heard the same stories from other parents, and I've heard great experiences from even others. You sound like a parent whose daughter got moved from black to purple and are upset about it. There are only two possible reasons for that to happen, 1) she just isn't as good as you think she is, or 2) what you say is true.
If it happens to my daughter I'll move on and won't spend a lot of time on a message board posting anonymously to strangers.
You are right , I don't have any connections...none at all. So my daughter earned her own shot and it is on her to work hard and keep that spot. I don't teach my child that it's someone else's fault if she doesn't succeed, I hope you don't either.

You are the one making assumptions.Stating there was none of the bs that people speak of yet you are new to travel lacrosse so how would you know.You also assume I know little about your daughter when I bet I know more then you think.Not the best player on her town team but you think she might be.Town team has done very well but have not really tested themselves.Been paying for private lessons because you think your town coach either doesn't do enough for your child, isn't good enough for your child,always complaining on the sideline about your town coach even after they have done more for your child in lacrosse then you have,made TG top team supposedly wo connections ,doubt it.I know more then you think .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want your daughter to make the black team it's very easy. 1) Have her insist on taking the draw. They NEVER do it doing practice (and by the way the 2017 never scrimmaged at a practice-not once)and tell her to go right to the goal. She doesn't have to pass to anyone and won't be corrected. 2) Follow Mr. Smith around like a duckling and quack in his ear. 3)Live in one of the Islips. Glad I saved my $35, see you in Maryland.

My first experience with travel lacrosse. My daughter and her friends traveled a pretty long distance to try out for TG. They gave their best, and made black. None of this BS you speak of. You want your daughter to make black, tell her to work hard and she's got a chance.

Don't worry your daughter will be moved to purple soon enough,let me guess you made black on the youngest level.Wait till all the nonsense starts ,the private lessons with the coach or someone in power ,then they will replace your daughter with someone from your coaches home school.Good luck all the hard work in the world doesn't trump connections and it sounds as if you and your daughter have none.

You're assuming a lot here aren't you. Why so bitter, certainly must be better things to do with your time than to assume you know anything about my daughter or most other girls here. If there are these lessons to be learned I will learn them i suppose, but I will be the judge of all this. Your bad experience is none of my concern, I've heard the same stories from other parents, and I've heard great experiences from even others. You sound like a parent whose daughter got moved from black to purple and are upset about it. There are only two possible reasons for that to happen, 1) she just isn't as good as you think she is, or 2) what you say is true.
If it happens to my daughter I'll move on and won't spend a lot of time on a message board posting anonymously to strangers.
You are right , I don't have any connections...none at all. So my daughter earned her own shot and it is on her to work hard and keep that spot. I don't teach my child that it's someone else's fault if she doesn't succeed, I hope you don't either.

You are the one making assumptions.Stating there was none of the bs that people speak of yet you are new to travel lacrosse so how would you know.You also assume I know little about your daughter when I bet I know more then you think.Not the best player on her town team but you think she might be.Town team has done very well but have not really tested themselves.Been paying for private lessons because you think your town coach either doesn't do enough for your child, isn't good enough for your child,always complaining on the sideline about your town coach even after they have done more for your child in lacrosse then you have,made TG top team supposedly wo connections ,doubt it.I know more then you think .

THAT'S HYSTERICAL. You have me confused with someone else, although I do have a private lesson for my daughter once in a while. Those generalizations you could say about anybody on this board. Every parent thinks their kid is good, every parent thinks their coach is crazy....Like I said I tell my daughter she has to earn her spot and keep it, if she doesn't I would be here complaining like you are right now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want your daughter to make the black team it's very easy. 1) Have her insist on taking the draw. They NEVER do it doing practice (and by the way the 2017 never scrimmaged at a practice-not once)and tell her to go right to the goal. She doesn't have to pass to anyone and won't be corrected. 2) Follow Mr. Smith around like a duckling and quack in his ear. 3)Live in one of the Islips. Glad I saved my $35, see you in Maryland.

My first experience with travel lacrosse. My daughter and her friends traveled a pretty long distance to try out for TG. They gave their best, and made black. None of this BS you speak of. You want your daughter to make black, tell her to work hard and she's got a chance.

Don't worry your daughter will be moved to purple soon enough,let me guess you made black on the youngest level.Wait till all the nonsense starts ,the private lessons with the coach or someone in power ,then they will replace your daughter with someone from your coaches home school.Good luck all the hard work in the world doesn't trump connections and it sounds as if you and your daughter have none.

You're assuming a lot here aren't you. Why so bitter, certainly must be better things to do with your time than to assume you know anything about my daughter or most other girls here. If there are these lessons to be learned I will learn them i suppose, but I will be the judge of all this. Your bad experience is none of my concern, I've heard the same stories from other parents, and I've heard great experiences from even others. You sound like a parent whose daughter got moved from black to purple and are upset about it. There are only two possible reasons for that to happen, 1) she just isn't as good as you think she is, or 2) what you say is true.
If it happens to my daughter I'll move on and won't spend a lot of time on a message board posting anonymously to strangers.
You are right , I don't have any connections...none at all. So my daughter earned her own shot and it is on her to work hard and keep that spot. I don't teach my child that it's someone else's fault if she doesn't succeed, I hope you don't either.

You are the one making assumptions.Stating there was none of the bs that people speak of yet you are new to travel lacrosse so how would you know.You also assume I know little about your daughter when I bet I know more then you think.Not the best player on her town team but you think she might be.Town team has done very well but have not really tested themselves.Been paying for private lessons because you think your town coach either doesn't do enough for your child, isn't good enough for your child,always complaining on the sideline about your town coach even after they have done more for your child in lacrosse then you have,made TG top team supposedly wo connections ,doubt it.I know more then you think .

way to go out on a limb there, that could be said about 99% of the girls who play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want your daughter to make the black team it's very easy. 1) Have her insist on taking the draw. They NEVER do it doing practice (and by the way the 2017 never scrimmaged at a practice-not once)and tell her to go right to the goal. She doesn't have to pass to anyone and won't be corrected. 2) Follow Mr. Smith around like a duckling and quack in his ear. 3)Live in one of the Islips. Glad I saved my $35, see you in Maryland.

My first experience with travel lacrosse. My daughter and her friends traveled a pretty long distance to try out for TG. They gave their best, and made black. None of this BS you speak of. You want your daughter to make black, tell her to work hard and she's got a chance.

Good luck to your fellow TG parents on 2020 ,kid has not been on the team for 2 minutes and daddy is already giving out advice.Let me try this assumption business, your town coach cannot stand you because all you do on the sidelines is complain about him and his kid, you think the better kids on the team are ball hogs.You have threatened to leave your town team or have even played for other teams within your town or other towns teams.You pay your kid for goals but not assists or ground balls.You should take your child to YJ so you fit in with those parents although you will not because there is a good chance she does not make the top team over there.

I just wanna kick the 6th grade Middle Country girls butts this year!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want your daughter to make the black team it's very easy. 1) Have her insist on taking the draw. They NEVER do it doing practice (and by the way the 2017 never scrimmaged at a practice-not once)and tell her to go right to the goal. She doesn't have to pass to anyone and won't be corrected. 2) Follow Mr. Smith around like a duckling and quack in his ear. 3)Live in one of the Islips. Glad I saved my $35, see you in Maryland.

My first experience with travel lacrosse. My daughter and her friends traveled a pretty long distance to try out for TG. They gave their best, and made black. None of this BS you speak of. You want your daughter to make black, tell her to work hard and she's got a chance.

Good luck to your fellow TG parents on 2020 ,kid has not been on the team for 2 minutes and daddy is already giving out advice.Let me try this assumption business, your town coach cannot stand you because all you do on the sidelines is complain about him and his kid, you think the better kids on the team are ball hogs.You have threatened to leave your town team or have even played for other teams within your town or other towns teams.You pay your kid for goals but not assists or ground balls.You should take your child to YJ so you fit in with those parents although you will not because there is a good chance she does not make the top team over there.

who said anything about 2020? I wish your daughter the best, I'm done with this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just wanna kick the 6th grade Middle Country girls butts this year!

Is that age 2018 or 2019?

Anyone know how many girls got cut from the 2017 black team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want your daughter to make the black team it's very easy. 1) Have her insist on taking the draw. They NEVER do it doing practice (and by the way the 2017 never scrimmaged at a practice-not once)and tell her to go right to the goal. She doesn't have to pass to anyone and won't be corrected. 2) Follow Mr. Smith around like a duckling and quack in his ear. 3)Live in one of the Islips. Glad I saved my $35, see you in Maryland.

My first experience with travel lacrosse. My daughter and her friends traveled a pretty long distance to try out for TG. They gave their best, and made black. None of this BS you speak of. You want your daughter to make black, tell her to work hard and she's got a chance.

Good luck to your fellow TG parents on 2020 ,kid has not been on the team for 2 minutes and daddy is already giving out advice.Let me try this assumption business, your town coach cannot stand you because all you do on the sidelines is complain about him and his kid, you think the better kids on the team are ball hogs.You have threatened to leave your town team or have even played for other teams within your town or other towns teams.You pay your kid for goals but not assists or ground balls.You should take your child to YJ so you fit in with those parents although you will not because there is a good chance she does not make the top team over there.

who said anything about 2020? I wish your daughter the best, I'm done with this.

You didn't have to, so obvious ,good luck to you and your daughter,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]If you want your daughter to make the black team it's very easy. 1) Have her insist on taking the draw. They NEVER do it doing practice (and by the way the 2017 never scrimmaged at a practice-not once)and tell her to go right to the goal. She doesn't have to pass to anyone and won't be corrected. 2) Follow Mr. Smith around like a duckling and quack in his ear. 3)Live in one of the Islips. Glad I saved my $35, see you in Maryland.

My first experience with travel lacrosse. My daughter and her friends traveled a pretty long distance to try out for TG. They gave their best, and made black. None of this BS you speak of. You want your daughter to make black, tell her to work hard and she's got a chance.

Good luck to your fellow TG parents on 2020 ,kid has not been on the team for 2 minutes and daddy is already giving out advice.Let me try this assumption business, your town coach cannot stand you because all you do on the sidelines is complain about him and his kid, you think the better kids on the team are ball hogs.You have threatened to leave your town team or have even played for other teams within your town or other towns teams.You pay your kid for goals but not assists or ground balls.You should take your child to YJ so you fit in with those parents although you will not because there is a good chance she does not make the top team over there. [/qu

If a parent really pays their daughter for the goals she scores, that is disgraceful. If you really feel the need to pay them for something (not that I think it's necessary) then you should pay them for every A that they earn on their report card. A's will take them a lot further in life than goals scored on town or travel lacrosse.

Anyone know who the coaches are for each team?

I think it's obvious that teams were formed 8 days after tryouts, after a booze vacation. How could the prospects be fresh in anyones head after that?? Were last years coaches given any input? Is TG so desperate to have former YJ on the 17/18 teams that they may have cut their nose to spite their face? Let's just hope we dont have another group of girls who don't pass. And yes, my daughter is on black, just very dissapointed at a few of the girls who were moved, not all-and VERY surprised at 1 who stayed. New additions already flapping there traps about how after the season they will have to make room for more of their friends who didn't try out. Time will tell. To the girls who were moved to purple- you still have fans on black and we intend on cheering you on at every game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it's obvious that teams were formed 8 days after tryouts, after a booze vacation. How could the prospects be fresh in anyones head after that?? Were last years coaches given any input? Is TG so desperate to have former YJ on the 17/18 teams that they may have cut their nose to spite their face? Let's just hope we dont have another group of girls who don't pass. And yes, my daughter is on black, just very dissapointed at a few of the girls who were moved, not all-and VERY surprised at 1 who stayed. New additions already flapping there traps about how after the season they will have to make room for more of their friends who didn't try out. Time will tell. To the girls who were moved to purple- you still have fans on black and we intend on cheering you on at every game.

So, are you saying that 2017 purple is getting some strong players/good people from last year's black team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it's obvious that teams were formed 8 days after tryouts, after a booze vacation. How could the prospects be fresh in anyones head after that?? Were last years coaches given any input? Is TG so desperate to have former YJ on the 17/18 teams that they may have cut their nose to spite their face? Let's just hope we dont have another group of girls who don't pass. And yes, my daughter is on black, just very dissapointed at a few of the girls who were moved, not all-and VERY surprised at 1 who stayed. New additions already flapping there traps about how after the season they will have to make room for more of their friends who didn't try out. Time will tell. To the girls who were moved to purple- you still have fans on black and we intend on cheering you on at every game.

So, are you saying that 2017 purple is getting some strong players/good people from last year's black team?

My daughter is on black again, and my understanding is we lost a smart offender and a strong defender, and we picked up girls who I remember from our town team but played for another big name travel team for past 2 years. I'm saying I wish them all a great season, hooping the tryout process gets more refined each year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it's obvious that teams were formed 8 days after tryouts, after a booze vacation. How could the prospects be fresh in anyones head after that?? Were last years coaches given any input? Is TG so desperate to have former YJ on the 17/18 teams that they may have cut their nose to spite their face? Let's just hope we dont have another group of girls who don't pass. And yes, my daughter is on black, just very dissapointed at a few of the girls who were moved, not all-and VERY surprised at 1 who stayed. New additions already flapping there traps about how after the season they will have to make room for more of their friends who didn't try out. Time will tell. To the girls who were moved to purple- you still have fans on black and we intend on cheering you on at every game.

Wow, that's a lot of negativity. Leave if you think it's that bad. Or be quiet. But don't sit around and [lacrosse].

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it's obvious that teams were formed 8 days after tryouts, after a booze vacation. How could the prospects be fresh in anyones head after that?? Were last years coaches given any input? Is TG so desperate to have former YJ on the 17/18 teams that they may have cut their nose to spite their face? Let's just hope we dont have another group of girls who don't pass. And yes, my daughter is on black, just very dissapointed at a few of the girls who were moved, not all-and VERY surprised at 1 who stayed. New additions already flapping there traps about how after the season they will have to make room for more of their friends who didn't try out. Time will tell. To the girls who were moved to purple- you still have fans on black and we intend on cheering you on at every game.

How nice , another example of TG parents welcoming all new players and ringing endorsement of those in charge.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it's obvious that teams were formed 8 days after tryouts, after a booze vacation. How could the prospects be fresh in anyones head after that?? Were last years coaches given any input? Is TG so desperate to have former YJ on the 17/18 teams that they may have cut their nose to spite their face? Let's just hope we dont have another group of girls who don't pass. And yes, my daughter is on black, just very dissapointed at a few of the girls who were moved, not all-and VERY surprised at 1 who stayed. New additions already flapping there traps about how after the season they will have to make room for more of their friends who didn't try out. Time will tell. To the girls who were moved to purple- you still have fans on black and we intend on cheering you on at every game.

How nice , another example of TG parents welcoming all new players and ringing endorsement of those in charge.

Go back to YJ, where you see the same exact stuff...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it's obvious that teams were formed 8 days after tryouts, after a booze vacation. How could the prospects be fresh in anyones head after that?? Were last years coaches given any input? Is TG so desperate to have former YJ on the 17/18 teams that they may have cut their nose to spite their face? Let's just hope we dont have another group of girls who don't pass. And yes, my daughter is on black, just very dissapointed at a few of the girls who were moved, not all-and VERY surprised at 1 who stayed. New additions already flapping there traps about how after the season they will have to make room for more of their friends who didn't try out. Time will tell. To the girls who were moved to purple- you still have fans on black and we intend on cheering you on at every game.

So, are you saying that 2017 purple is getting some strong players/good people from last year's black team?

I would think so. Based on last season, it looked like 2017 was the black roster most in need of significant turnover/upgrades.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it's obvious that teams were formed 8 days after tryouts, after a booze vacation. How could the prospects be fresh in anyones head after that?? Were last years coaches given any input? Is TG so desperate to have former YJ on the 17/18 teams that they may have cut their nose to spite their face? Let's just hope we dont have another group of girls who don't pass. And yes, my daughter is on black, just very dissapointed at a few of the girls who were moved, not all-and VERY surprised at 1 who stayed. New additions already flapping there traps about how after the season they will have to make room for more of their friends who didn't try out. Time will tell. To the girls who were moved to purple- you still have fans on black and we intend on cheering you on at every game.

How nice , another example of TG parents welcoming all new players and ringing endorsement of those in charge.

Go back to YJ, where you see the same exact stuff...

Not exactly the same, you do not see YJ parents going after CR like your TG parent going after SS .Not sure how they know who is on your teams yet anyway as I do not think a roster has been posted. Who knows if it was even a TG parent to begin with but I have seen the TG higher ups fawning over some YJ players and practically begging them to come over.The TG 2018 vs YJ games would be close this year but your 2017 is not even close.Good luck .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it's obvious that teams were formed 8 days after tryouts, after a booze vacation. How could the prospects be fresh in anyones head after that?? Were last years coaches given any input? Is TG so desperate to have former YJ on the 17/18 teams that they may have cut their nose to spite their face? Let's just hope we dont have another group of girls who don't pass. And yes, my daughter is on black, just very dissapointed at a few of the girls who were moved, not all-and VERY surprised at 1 who stayed. New additions already flapping there traps about how after the season they will have to make room for more of their friends who didn't try out. Time will tell. To the girls who were moved to purple- you still have fans on black and we intend on cheering you on at every game.

So, are you saying that 2017 purple is getting some strong players/good people from last year's black team?

My daughter is on black again, and my understanding is we lost a smart offender and a strong defender, and we picked up girls who I remember from our town team but played for another big name travel team for past 2 years. I'm saying I wish them all a great season, hooping the tryout process gets more refined each year.

Oh, I see. Well, hopefully, they decide to stay and play for purple, and we can field a competitive team, along with the new purple players. If you had a group of players that didn't pass, maybe the changes will help you out, overall. Good luck to all of you on the black team. I hope both teams have a great experience!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it's obvious that teams were formed 8 days after tryouts, after a booze vacation. How could the prospects be fresh in anyones head after that?? Were last years coaches given any input? Is TG so desperate to have former YJ on the 17/18 teams that they may have cut their nose to spite their face? Let's just hope we dont have another group of girls who don't pass. And yes, my daughter is on black, just very dissapointed at a few of the girls who were moved, not all-and VERY surprised at 1 who stayed. New additions already flapping there traps about how after the season they will have to make room for more of their friends who didn't try out. Time will tell. To the girls who were moved to purple- you still have fans on black and we intend on cheering you on at every game.

The above poster is an embarrassment. In no way does their opinion reflect that of the other TG members. These type of posts are not constructive nor are they informative. They are like a cancer that needs to be removed. If this poster is in fact a TG parent and not someone just talking S&#T I ask why in Gods name did you return? You honestly sound like it may be time for you to be happy and find another club to bash. If not I suggest you try and be positive and constructive so possibly your views will be listened to as opposed to laughed at. See you soon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it's obvious that teams were formed 8 days after tryouts, after a booze vacation. How could the prospects be fresh in anyones head after that?? Were last years coaches given any input? Is TG so desperate to have former YJ on the 17/18 teams that they may have cut their nose to spite their face? Let's just hope we dont have another group of girls who don't pass. And yes, my daughter is on black, just very dissapointed at a few of the girls who were moved, not all-and VERY surprised at 1 who stayed. New additions already flapping there traps about how after the season they will have to make room for more of their friends who didn't try out. Time will tell. To the girls who were moved to purple- you still have fans on black and we intend on cheering you on at every game.

So, are you saying that 2017 purple is getting some strong players/good people from last year's black team?

I would think so. Based on last season, it looked like 2017 was the black roster most in need of significant turnover/upgrades.

I'm sure rosters won't be posted until checks are cashed, which is supposed to be at the end of this month. Should be interesting to see the turnover/upgrades.

WOW! Lots to take in....with that said, we are new to the whole lacrosse club thing, and my daughter just made one of the 2020 teams, so we are at the beginning of this. I came on BOTC to learn and gain some insight into being a part of a club, but I'm starting to think that I am going to either stay off this site or just let everything I read roll off me. I have been able to gain some truly helpful and informative information, so I guess that's what I will focus on. The other stuff...I guess I'll have to disinfect my eyes. My daughter is very happy to be a part of TG, and excited about this new experience. I suppose along the way we will have to take the bad with the good. Hopefully more good than bad...and we'll stick with it as long as my daughter is enjoying herself. Good Luck to everyone!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it's obvious that teams were formed 8 days after tryouts, after a booze vacation. How could the prospects be fresh in anyones head after that?? Were last years coaches given any input? Is TG so desperate to have former YJ on the 17/18 teams that they may have cut their nose to spite their face? Let's just hope we dont have another group of girls who don't pass. And yes, my daughter is on black, just very dissapointed at a few of the girls who were moved, not all-and VERY surprised at 1 who stayed. New additions already flapping there traps about how after the season they will have to make room for more of their friends who didn't try out. Time will tell. To the girls who were moved to purple- you still have fans on black and we intend on cheering you on at every game.

So, are you saying that 2017 purple is getting some strong players/good people from last year's black team?

I would think so. Based on last season, it looked like 2017 was the black roster most in need of significant turnover/upgrades.

At least 2 of those selcted to black will NOT be accepting their spots. Does that mean the organization draws from purple? Anyone know?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it's obvious that teams were formed 8 days after tryouts, after a booze vacation. How could the prospects be fresh in anyones head after that?? Were last years coaches given any input? Is TG so desperate to have former YJ on the 17/18 teams that they may have cut their nose to spite their face? Let's just hope we dont have another group of girls who don't pass. And yes, my daughter is on black, just very dissapointed at a few of the girls who were moved, not all-and VERY surprised at 1 who stayed. New additions already flapping there traps about how after the season they will have to make room for more of their friends who didn't try out. Time will tell. To the girls who were moved to purple- you still have fans on black and we intend on cheering you on at every game.

How nice , another example of TG parents welcoming all new players and ringing endorsement of those in charge.

Go back to YJ, where you see the same exact stuff...

Not exactly the same, you do not see YJ parents going after CR like your TG parent going after SS .Not sure how they know who is on your teams yet anyway as I do not think a roster has been posted. Who knows if it was even a TG parent to begin with but I have seen the TG higher ups fawning over some YJ players and practically begging them to come over.The TG 2018 vs YJ games would be close this year but your 2017 is not even close.Good luck .

Yes, you do see that with YJ also. It goes both ways...I know YJ parents that complain about CR and can't stand her, not to mention the young girls that are scared to death of her, but told they have to stay, because of her influence, recruiting, etc. It's sad, actually. Good to see some of them are escaping to other programs, that are catching up! Why are you here, on this thread anyway? Go back to that thread, and do something productive, or just be negative there instead.

My daughter (2018) made friends at TG camp with a few girls that played on 2018 black last year. One of them made 2018 black again and requested to be moved to purple. Her stated reasoning was because she's not one of the coach's favorites. Another reason might be because she will have more opportunity to "stand out" on purple.

For 2018, I was told that five girls moved from black to purple and visa versa.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter (2018) made friends at TG camp with a few girls that played on 2018 black last year. One of them made 2018 black again and requested to be moved to purple. Her stated reasoning was because she's not one of the coach's favorites. Another reason might be because she will have more opportunity to "stand out" on purple.

For 2018, I was told that five girls moved from black to purple and visa versa.

By the coach, do you mean SS? One would think that playing for SS would be a good thing!

So if 5 girls moved from B to P and vice versa, does that mean that no one who didn't play for TG last year was able to make the black?

Originally Post:
By the coach, do you mean SS? One would think that playing for SS would be a good thing!

So if 5 girls moved from B to P and vice versa, does that mean that no one who didn't play for TG last year was able to make the black?

(i) I am new to TG and have been impressed with their Camp and tryouts. However, I can't comment on the quality of anyone's coaching ability. That said, a player/student knows whether a certain coach or teacher holds them in high regard.

(ii) I have no idea how many new players made the black / purple teams. I was more focused on whether movement within the two teams is common.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WOW! Lots to take in....with that said, we are new to the whole lacrosse club thing, and my daughter just made one of the 2020 teams, so we are at the beginning of this. I came on BOTC to learn and gain some insight into being a part of a club, but I'm starting to think that I am going to either stay off this site or just let everything I read roll off me. I have been able to gain some truly helpful and informative information, so I guess that's what I will focus on. The other stuff...I guess I'll have to disinfect my eyes. My daughter is very happy to be a part of TG, and excited about this new experience. I suppose along the way we will have to take the bad with the good. Hopefully more good than bad...and we'll stick with it as long as my daughter is enjoying herself. Good Luck to everyone!

We have been involved since the beginning and it has been great. We have made life long friends and our kids have learned a lot. Your attitude is correct and if you simply laugh at the whiners and complainers and just take it easy you will be fine. WELCOME and good luck!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WOW! Lots to take in....with that said, we are new to the whole lacrosse club thing, and my daughter just made one of the 2020 teams, so we are at the beginning of this. I came on BOTC to learn and gain some insight into being a part of a club, but I'm starting to think that I am going to either stay off this site or just let everything I read roll off me. I have been able to gain some truly helpful and informative information, so I guess that's what I will focus on. The other stuff...I guess I'll have to disinfect my eyes. My daughter is very happy to be a part of TG, and excited about this new experience. I suppose along the way we will have to take the bad with the good. Hopefully more good than bad...and we'll stick with it as long as my daughter is enjoying herself. Good Luck to everyone!

We have been involved since the beginning and it has been great. We have made life long friends and our kids have learned a lot. Your attitude is correct and if you simply laugh at the whiners and complainers and just take it easy you will be fine. WELCOME and good luck!

We're also new to TG, and your post is very posittive and encouraging. We're looking forward to it!

I know that things are not always going to be rainbows and lollipops. I'm realistic in that way. I also try to remember that our kids are only kids for a short time, and we need to enjoy that while we can. This is a very encouraging message....Thank you!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter (2018) made friends at TG camp with a few girls that played on 2018 black last year. One of them made 2018 black again and requested to be moved to purple. Her stated reasoning was because she's not one of the coach's favorites. Another reason might be because she will have more opportunity to "stand out" on purple.

For 2018, I was told that five girls moved from black to purple and visa versa.

How did you find out that there were 5 new girls on 2018 Black? I know of one girl from All Stars but no one from purple.

Curious how people feel the Hofstra position will impact the TG players being recruited.Positives would be obviously if you want to go to Hofstra,,also it may make her more familiar with the recruiting process and what makes coaches want to recruit a player.On the negative side does it impact other coaches especially in Hofstras division ,or teams that feel like they are competing with Shannon for a player.Does it set up the appearance that she may not be advocating for a player as strong as she could if she wants that player to attend Hofstra.On another note will any YJ player be less likely to go to Hofstra considering the animosity between programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know that things are not always going to be rainbows and lollipops. I'm realistic in that way. I also try to remember that our kids are only kids for a short time, and we need to enjoy that while we can. This is a very encouraging message....Thank you!!

Well said. For those who struggle to be civil and respectful remember what we teach our kids. "Anyone can handle success but it's how we handle adversity that is a mark of our character". Good luck to those that were selected and those that will continue to work towards their goals!

HELP. My daughter was fortunate enough to make one of the 2018 teams, incoming 7th-grader. My spouse and I are debating/yelling/battling back and forth over whether the commitment is worth it at this age. Her primary concern is whether it's "too early" to make such a large time/financial commitment. She feels that it might be better to wait a year, brush up on her skills and take try again next year. My fear is that the girls that opt to play will likely improve significantly, making it more difficult for my daughter to keep up. In short, I wonder whether we're already somewhat late to the party and frankly was surprised by our invitation.

Any thoughts / advice would be much appreciated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For 2018, I was told that five girls moved from black to purple and visa versa.

How did you find out that there were 5 new girls on 2018 Black? I know of one girl from All Stars but no one from purple.

The question I posed was whether there was significant movement among black/purple teams. That is when I received the answer of "five kids moving in either direction". The person who told me may have been referring to a different class altogether, so my information may be incorrect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how people feel the Hofstra position will impact the TG players being recruited.Positives would be obviously if you want to go to Hofstra,,also it may make her more familiar with the recruiting process and what makes coaches want to recruit a player.On the negative side does it impact other coaches especially in Hofstras division ,or teams that feel like they are competing with Shannon for a player.Does it set up the appearance that she may not be advocating for a player as strong as she could if she wants that player to attend Hofstra.On another note will any YJ player be less likely to go to Hofstra considering the animosity between programs.

So let me get this straight, Hofstra offers your daughter a good education and some money to play lacrosse and you dont play because you had a bee on your pinney?? give me a break

I can't give you any advice on if the decision is the right one for your family. I can tell you what the estimated cost for the next 5 years will be. These dollar amounts are estimated and will be approx the same no matter which club you play lax for.
Team Fee: 1,200 each year. ($6,250)Assuming fees stay constant. Hotels,meals, flights to Florida- (Gotta go Disney when there)( $6,000) Gas at $4.00 a gallon. ($100)each weekend- $500 x 5 seasons= $2500. Tolls another 30. each each weekend. Tryout fees (250.00). While at tournaments. (Daddy can I buys a T Shirt. (15.00) Let not forget gatorades & water. ($100 a season). For a grand total of $16,000 for the next five years. Just sayin! This is not a dig at TG- This is true reguardless of who you play for. Again, just sayin!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HELP. My daughter was fortunate enough to make one of the 2018 teams, incoming 7th-grader. My spouse and I are debating/yelling/battling back and forth over whether the commitment is worth it at this age. Her primary concern is whether it's "too early" to make such a large time/financial commitment. She feels that it might be better to wait a year, brush up on her skills and take try again next year. My fear is that the girls that opt to play will likely improve significantly, making it more difficult for my daughter to keep up. In short, I wonder whether we're already somewhat late to the party and frankly was surprised by our invitation.

Any thoughts / advice would be much appreciated.

You are certainly not too late to the party, my first thought is the financial part you can expect to pay on top of "tuition" $200 a tournament for hotels not including food, gas and tolls could be another $200 there will be 5 travel tournanments this summer for that group so..$400 to $500 a tournanment is about $2500 for a $3800 total, ask yourself if you can swing it. Secondly your daughter will definitley get better practicing and playing against better competion, this may awaken in her a drive to get better and you may find she is practicing all the time, (wall ball, taking a stick to the beach, freinds house etc..) thirdly time commitment can you get off work for friday tournamnent games? fouth. she may make some great friends, and hopefully you can do the same.
the bottom line is that it is probably never too soon to start and there are many positives to staring early, but does it work for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HELP. My daughter was fortunate enough to make one of the 2018 teams, incoming 7th-grader. My spouse and I are debating/yelling/battling back and forth over whether the commitment is worth it at this age. Her primary concern is whether it's "too early" to make such a large time/financial commitment. She feels that it might be better to wait a year, brush up on her skills and take try again next year. My fear is that the girls that opt to play will likely improve significantly, making it more difficult for my daughter to keep up. In short, I wonder whether we're already somewhat late to the party and frankly was surprised by our invitation.

Any thoughts / advice would be much appreciated.

Kinda depends on how serious your kid is about lacrosse, and you're right, it is a big commitment. Assuming she is serious, I'm with you. Unless your plan to "brush-up" her skills is somehow better than playing club ball, she will lose ground to the kids that are playing year-round. Personnaly, I think 7th grade's about the right time to think about club sports. I know they start them earlier but I'm not a big fan of the practice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HELP. My daughter was fortunate enough to make one of the 2018 teams, incoming 7th-grader. My spouse and I are debating/yelling/battling back and forth over whether the commitment is worth it at this age. Her primary concern is whether it's "too early" to make such a large time/financial commitment. She feels that it might be better to wait a year, brush up on her skills and take try again next year. My fear is that the girls that opt to play will likely improve significantly, making it more difficult for my daughter to keep up. In short, I wonder whether we're already somewhat late to the party and frankly was surprised by our invitation.

Any thoughts / advice would be much appreciated.

Makes no difference at all! It's whatever you guys want to do. Some of the best players started in high school so don't join out of fear shell be left behind. I can tell you my girls have been playing travel since 5th grade and I wouldn't trade the memories and experiences and friendships made for the world. It is a great family experience. Good luck!

Wow, I'm impressed - 4 honest, sincere, helpful responses in a row with no name calling, bad mouthing or "my club's better than your club."

This shows that it can be done, let's keep it up!

My daughter just made 2019 black. Anyone have good comments about the team? She is very excited. Only one from our town team,. I would love to tell her about some of her teammates.

I don't want to sound like a broken record, but I think I am really going to enjoy my daughter playing for Top Guns. It started at the tryout, where she said that the girls were all nice as could be (competitive, but nice). She has played for another elite team in the past, and is thrilled to have been chosen for Top Guns. I know that we will see a few nasty responses on this site (from people that may have an agenda or people that dont have a daughter on the team), but I have to say that I think this is going to be a great expierence.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't want to sound like a broken record, but I think I am really going to enjoy my daughter playing for Top Guns. It started at the tryout, where she said that the girls were all nice as could be (competitive, but nice). She has played for another elite team in the past, and is thrilled to have been chosen for Top Guns. I know that we will see a few nasty responses on this site (from people that may have an agenda or people that dont have a daughter on the team), but I have to say that I think this is going to be a great expierence.

Same here, from another new TG parent!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter just made 2019 black. Anyone have good comments about the team? She is very excited. Only one from our town team,. I would love to tell her about some of her teammates.

Congrats to your daughter and welcome to TG! My daughter played on 2019 Black this past season. We had a very good experience overall. The girls were very nice and very talented and the families were nice as well. I am sure not everyone would say the same but we were very happy! Hope you have a good season and a positive experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HELP. My daughter was fortunate enough to make one of the 2018 teams, incoming 7th-grader. My spouse and I are debating/yelling/battling back and forth over whether the commitment is worth it at this age. Her primary concern is whether it's "too early" to make such a large time/financial commitment. She feels that it might be better to wait a year, brush up on her skills and take try again next year. My fear is that the girls that opt to play will likely improve significantly, making it more difficult for my daughter to keep up. In short, I wonder whether we're already somewhat late to the party and frankly was surprised by our invitation.

Any thoughts / advice would be much appreciated.

I think it depends on your family and your child. I will say it is a large financial commitment as well as a time commitment (in the summer). That being said for my daughter is has been a GREAT opportunity. She has grown as a player and teammate and has made some really positive friendships playing here at TG. So, if your daughter loves lacrosse and wants to grow as a player than it might be a good move for her. Good luck with your decision!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how people feel the Hofstra position will impact the TG players being recruited.Positives would be obviously if you want to go to Hofstra,,also it may make her more familiar with the recruiting process and what makes coaches want to recruit a player.On the negative side does it impact other coaches especially in Hofstras division ,or teams that feel like they are competing with Shannon for a player.Does it set up the appearance that she may not be advocating for a player as strong as she could if she wants that player to attend Hofstra.On another note will any YJ player be less likely to go to Hofstra considering the animosity between programs.

So let me get this straight, Hofstra offers your daughter a good education and some money to play lacrosse and you dont play because you had a bee on your pinney?? give me a break

Good education ,very arguable(definitely not for the money)
Possible Shanon Smith may be less likely to recruit YJ players making it less likely for a YJ player to go to Hofstra
If the choice for SS to give money to a YJ player or TG player who do you think she goes with making YJ player less likely to go to Hofstra.
If YJ let you play for them for free ,would you?
If CR were coaching a college team would you be more or less likely to go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how people feel the Hofstra position will impact the TG players being recruited.Positives would be obviously if you want to go to Hofstra,,also it may make her more familiar with the recruiting process and what makes coaches want to recruit a player.On the negative side does it impact other coaches especially in Hofstras division ,or teams that feel like they are competing with Shannon for a player.Does it set up the appearance that she may not be advocating for a player as strong as she could if she wants that player to attend Hofstra.On another note will any YJ player be less likely to go to Hofstra considering the animosity between programs.

So let me get this straight, Hofstra offers your daughter a good education and some money to play lacrosse and you dont play because you had a bee on your pinney?? give me a break

Good education ,very arguable(definitely not for the money)
Possible Shanon Smith may be less likely to recruit YJ players making it less likely for a YJ player to go to Hofstra
If the choice for SS to give money to a YJ player or TG player who do you think she goes with making YJ player less likely to go to Hofstra.
If YJ let you play for them for free ,would you?
If CR were coaching a college team would you be more or less likely to go.

Think about it.... D1 Coaches are coaching for their jobs. Do you think for one second Coach Smith cares what travel programs her recruits have "paid to play"for? She will concentrate solely on getting the best talented players. she will recruit players that will improve her program . Will TG players be more likely to take a stronger look at Hofstra now rather than in the past ? Absolutely ! Look at last years Hodstra roster. It will be interesting to see if future rosters will have a majority of players from MD .something tells me the Hofstra second tier MD recruits may start to be replaced by Long Island top recruits from travel programs all over Long island ! For a D1 coach to not look at YJ Liberty / 91 Player based on petty politics perpetuated by parent (not kids) would be coaching suisidel. I wish her nothing but the best for her program and all of her future recruits .

Kids just wanna play! Let them play and have FUN. For the loser parents who have nothing better to do than bash everyone on this site, GROW UP! You are useless in life. We are all on the same team. That's the Top Guns! Remember they are kids and they don't need to worry if mommy or daddy is gonna get into an argument or not! I'll say it again GROW UP!

At 22 years old, I think SS is one of the most professional and mature people I have ever met. With her appointment as Hofstra's new lacrosse coach and being associated with TG, it can only be a win win for anyone involved with TG. First of all she is known throughout the country on the lacrosse circuit, which means she knows many other college coaches and recruiters and they know her. I can only think that she will be able to open many doors for lots of girls. I also think that if she is trying to build a good team herself and there is a YJ that wants to go to and play for Hofstra, SS is professional enough to recruit that you'ng lady. If anyone was at tryouts, and heard her message she gave to the girls at the end of the tryout, anyone would know that her main message is EDUCATION to these girls. My daughter heard her loud and clear. She thanked everyone for trying out, she told them they all did a great job, but to remember that academics come first before lacrosse and anything else. she wants the girls to focus on their studies and continue to do well at school. I would have to think that if there is an academic program down the line at say Syracuse, Rutgers, Loyola, Northwestern, etc. and that is where my daughter wanted to go (instead of Hofstra), I can only think that SS could open many doors and assist my daughter in going to a school of her academic choice, where she also happens to be able to play lacrosse. Why must everyone always focus on the negative of a situation. I feel like SS being coach to Hofstra and being a part of TG is a great opportunity and a gift to everyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how people feel the Hofstra position will impact the TG players being recruited.Positives would be obviously if you want to go to Hofstra,,also it may make her more familiar with the recruiting process and what makes coaches want to recruit a player.On the negative side does it impact other coaches especially in Hofstras division ,or teams that feel like they are competing with Shannon for a player.Does it set up the appearance that she may not be advocating for a player as strong as she could if she wants that player to attend Hofstra.On another note will any YJ player be less likely to go to Hofstra considering the animosity between programs.

So let me get this straight, Hofstra offers your daughter a good education and some money to play lacrosse and you dont play because you had a bee on your pinney?? give me a break

Good education ,very arguable(definitely not for the money)
Possible Shanon Smith may be less likely to recruit YJ players making it less likely for a YJ player to go to Hofstra
If the choice for SS to give money to a YJ player or TG player who do you think she goes with making YJ player less likely to go to Hofstra.
If YJ let you play for them for free ,would you?
If CR were coaching a college team would you be more or less likely to go.

I would rather believe that Shannon is not as petty as you parents. I have to believe she will take the best players that have interest in Hofstra no matter if that player played for Y.J. T.G. or Liberty, her ultimate goal is to win. I can't believe she would take a girl simply because of the jersey she wore for summer lax. With your theory any half decent player from West Babylon will make it to Hofstra even if there is a much stronger player from Longwood that is up against her for the same spot, it's just insane to think a D-1 coach will not take the best player period. My only thought is that if your a Y.J. player i would not spend the $1,000.00 and have Carol call Shannon, Just call yourself you'll be better off

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how people feel the Hofstra position will impact the TG players being recruited.Positives would be obviously if you want to go to Hofstra,,also it may make her more familiar with the recruiting process and what makes coaches want to recruit a player.On the negative side does it impact other coaches especially in Hofstras division ,or teams that feel like they are competing with Shannon for a player.Does it set up the appearance that she may not be advocating for a player as strong as she could if she wants that player to attend Hofstra.On another note will any YJ player be less likely to go to Hofstra considering the animosity between programs.

So let me get this straight, Hofstra offers your daughter a good education and some money to play lacrosse and you dont play because you had a bee on your pinney?? give me a break

Good education ,very arguable(definitely not for the money)
Possible Shanon Smith may be less likely to recruit YJ players making it less likely for a YJ player to go to Hofstra
If the choice for SS to give money to a YJ player or TG player who do you think she goes with making YJ player less likely to go to Hofstra.
If YJ let you play for them for free ,would you?
If CR were coaching a college team would you be more or less likely to go.

I would rather believe that Shannon is not as petty as you parents. I have to believe she will take the best players that have interest in Hofstra no matter if that player played for Y.J. T.G. or Liberty, her ultimate goal is to win. I can't believe she would take a girl simply because of the jersey she wore for summer lax. With your theory any half decent player from West Babylon will make it to Hofstra even if there is a much stronger player from Longwood that is up against her for the same spot, it's just insane to think a D-1 coach will not take the best player period. My only thought is that if your a Y.J. player i would not spend the $1,000.00 and have Carol call Shannon, Just call yourself you'll be better off

It's nice to see that this thread has gotten much more "pro-TG", and very positive over the last few days, following all kinds of negative nonsense! Great job, and let's keep it that way! Looking forward to our first year with TG! Best of luck to all the girls who made it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how people feel the Hofstra position will impact the TG players being recruited.Positives would be obviously if you want to go to Hofstra,,also it may make her more familiar with the recruiting process and what makes coaches want to recruit a player.On the negative side does it impact other coaches especially in Hofstras division ,or teams that feel like they are competing with Shannon for a player.Does it set up the appearance that she may not be advocating for a player as strong as she could if she wants that player to attend Hofstra.On another note will any YJ player be less likely to go to Hofstra considering the animosity between programs.

So let me get this straight, Hofstra offers your daughter a good education and some money to play lacrosse and you dont play because you had a bee on your pinney?? give me a break

Good education ,very arguable(definitely not for the money)
Possible Shanon Smith may be less likely to recruit YJ players making it less likely for a YJ player to go to Hofstra
If the choice for SS to give money to a YJ player or TG player who do you think she goes with making YJ player less likely to go to Hofstra.
If YJ let you play for them for free ,would you?
If CR were coaching a college team would you be more or less likely to go.

I would rather believe that Shannon is not as petty as you parents. I have to believe she will take the best players that have interest in Hofstra no matter if that player played for Y.J. T.G. or Liberty, her ultimate goal is to win. I can't believe she would take a girl simply because of the jersey she wore for summer lax. With your theory any half decent player from West Babylon will make it to Hofstra even if there is a much stronger player from Longwood that is up against her for the same spot, it's just insane to think a D-1 coach will not take the best player period. My only thought is that if your a Y.J. player i would not spend the $1,000.00 and have Carol call Shannon, Just call yourself you'll be better off

Same argument YJ people make about CR at Northport program that she will play the best kid no matter who they play travel for yet TG parents will not accept the reasoning.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At 22 years old, I think SS is one of the most professional and mature people I have ever met. With her appointment as Hofstra's new lacrosse coach and being associated with TG, it can only be a win win for anyone involved with TG. First of all she is known throughout the country on the lacrosse circuit, which means she knows many other college coaches and recruiters and they know her. I can only think that she will be able to open many doors for lots of girls. I also think that if she is trying to build a good team herself and there is a YJ that wants to go to and play for Hofstra, SS is professional enough to recruit that you'ng lady. If anyone was at tryouts, and heard her message she gave to the girls at the end of the tryout, anyone would know that her main message is EDUCATION to these girls. My daughter heard her loud and clear. She thanked everyone for trying out, she told them they all did a great job, but to remember that academics come first before lacrosse and anything else. she wants the girls to focus on their studies and continue to do well at school. I would have to think that if there is an academic program down the line at say Syracuse, Rutgers, Loyola, Northwestern, etc. and that is where my daughter wanted to go (instead of Hofstra), I can only think that SS could open many doors and assist my daughter in going to a school of her academic choice, where she also happens to be able to play lacrosse. Why must everyone always focus on the negative of a situation. I feel like SS being coach to Hofstra and being a part of TG is a great opportunity and a gift to everyone.

When you say everyone you should say TG. Unless of course you live outside the 50 mile radius or want to play for one of Hofstra's division rivals and your a good player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At 22 years old, I think SS is one of the most professional and mature people I have ever met. With her appointment as Hofstra's new lacrosse coach and being associated with TG, it can only be a win win for anyone involved with TG. First of all she is known throughout the country on the lacrosse circuit, which means she knows many other college coaches and recruiters and they know her. I can only think that she will be able to open many doors for lots of girls. I also think that if she is trying to build a good team herself and there is a YJ that wants to go to and play for Hofstra, SS is professional enough to recruit that you'ng lady. If anyone was at tryouts, and heard her message she gave to the girls at the end of the tryout, anyone would know that her main message is EDUCATION to these girls. My daughter heard her loud and clear. She thanked everyone for trying out, she told them they all did a great job, but to remember that academics come first before lacrosse and anything else. she wants the girls to focus on their studies and continue to do well at school. I would have to think that if there is an academic program down the line at say Syracuse, Rutgers, Loyola, Northwestern, etc. and that is where my daughter wanted to go (instead of Hofstra), I can only think that SS could open many doors and assist my daughter in going to a school of her academic choice, where she also happens to be able to play lacrosse. Why must everyone always focus on the negative of a situation. I feel like SS being coach to Hofstra and being a part of TG is a great opportunity and a gift to everyone.

When you say everyone you should say TG. Unless of course you live outside the 50 mile radius or want to play for one of Hofstra's division rivals and your a good player.

TG Parents - Don't even reply to these silly, negative posts...they'll go away eventually.

Can someone who has had a daughter in 5th or 6th grade on TG in the past tell me some of the tournaments and places that you have traveled to? Obviously there is no information on the TG website yet, but I was just trying to get an idea of where we will be traveling locally and off the Island in these age groups. Thanks in advance for any information!! The positive and helpful posts have been great!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how people feel the Hofstra position will impact the TG players being recruited.Positives would be obviously if you want to go to Hofstra,,also it may make her more familiar with the recruiting process and what makes coaches want to recruit a player.On the negative side does it impact other coaches especially in Hofstras division ,or teams that feel like they are competing with Shannon for a player.Does it set up the appearance that she may not be advocating for a player as strong as she could if she wants that player to attend Hofstra.On another note will any YJ player be less likely to go to Hofstra considering the animosity between programs.

So let me get this straight, Hofstra offers your daughter a good education and some money to play lacrosse and you dont play because you had a bee on your pinney?? give me a break

Good education ,very arguable(definitely not for the money)
Possible Shanon Smith may be less likely to recruit YJ players making it less likely for a YJ player to go to Hofstra
If the choice for SS to give money to a YJ player or TG player who do you think she goes with making YJ player less likely to go to Hofstra.
If YJ let you play for them for free ,would you?
If CR were coaching a college team would you be more or less likely to go.

I would rather believe that Shannon is not as petty as you parents. I have to believe she will take the best players that have interest in Hofstra no matter if that player played for Y.J. T.G. or Liberty, her ultimate goal is to win. I can't believe she would take a girl simply because of the jersey she wore for summer lax. With your theory any half decent player from West Babylon will make it to Hofstra even if there is a much stronger player from Longwood that is up against her for the same spot, it's just insane to think a D-1 coach will not take the best player period. My only thought is that if your a Y.J. player i would not spend the $1,000.00 and have Carol call Shannon, Just call yourself you'll be better off

Same argument YJ people make about CR at Northport program that she will play the best kid no matter who they play travel for yet TG parents will not accept the reasoning.

Is there now, or has there ever been a girl from Northport that has played summer ball for any team that is not the Yellow Jackets

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how people feel the Hofstra position will impact the TG players being recruited.Positives would be obviously if you want to go to Hofstra,,also it may make her more familiar with the recruiting process and what makes coaches want to recruit a player.On the negative side does it impact other coaches especially in Hofstras division ,or teams that feel like they are competing with Shannon for a player.Does it set up the appearance that she may not be advocating for a player as strong as she could if she wants that player to attend Hofstra.On another note will any YJ player be less likely to go to Hofstra considering the animosity between programs.

So let me get this straight, Hofstra offers your daughter a good education and some money to play lacrosse and you dont play because you had a bee on your pinney?? give me a break

Good education ,very arguable(definitely not for the money)
Possible Shanon Smith may be less likely to recruit YJ players making it less likely for a YJ player to go to Hofstra
If the choice for SS to give money to a YJ player or TG player who do you think she goes with making YJ player less likely to go to Hofstra.
If YJ let you play for them for free ,would you?
If CR were coaching a college team would you be more or less likely to go.

I can answer both those questions in one , If Carol rose is coaching or is in any way involved NO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how people feel the Hofstra position will impact the TG players being recruited.Positives would be obviously if you want to go to Hofstra,,also it may make her more familiar with the recruiting process and what makes coaches want to recruit a player.On the negative side does it impact other coaches especially in Hofstras division ,or teams that feel like they are competing with Shannon for a player.Does it set up the appearance that she may not be advocating for a player as strong as she could if she wants that player to attend Hofstra.On another note will any YJ player be less likely to go to Hofstra considering the animosity between programs.

So let me get this straight, Hofstra offers your daughter a good education and some money to play lacrosse and you dont play because you had a bee on your pinney?? give me a break

Good education ,very arguable(definitely not for the money)
Possible Shanon Smith may be less likely to recruit YJ players making it less likely for a YJ player to go to Hofstra
If the choice for SS to give money to a YJ player or TG player who do you think she goes with making YJ player less likely to go to Hofstra.
If YJ let you play for them for free ,would you?
If CR were coaching a college team would you be more or less likely to go.

I would rather believe that Shannon is not as petty as you parents. I have to believe she will take the best players that have interest in Hofstra no matter if that player played for Y.J. T.G. or Liberty, her ultimate goal is to win. I can't believe she would take a girl simply because of the jersey she wore for summer lax. With your theory any half decent player from West Babylon will make it to Hofstra even if there is a much stronger player from Longwood that is up against her for the same spot, it's just insane to think a D-1 coach will not take the best player period. My only thought is that if your a Y.J. player i would not spend the $1,000.00 and have Carol call Shannon, Just call yourself you'll be better off

$1000 for a phone call???? And why are you bashing Longwood?

All Tourneys are off island. Pennsylania for 2 days in June, Syracuse 2 days in july, jersey for 1 day in june, maryland for 2 days in july and delaware for 2 days in july. But it is subject to change each year. But it is 5 tourneys for most ages and 6 for the older ones.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how people feel the Hofstra position will impact the TG players being recruited.Positives would be obviously if you want to go to Hofstra,,also it may make her more familiar with the recruiting process and what makes coaches want to recruit a player.On the negative side does it impact other coaches especially in Hofstras division ,or teams that feel like they are competing with Shannon for a player.Does it set up the appearance that she may not be advocating for a player as strong as she could if she wants that player to attend Hofstra.On another note will any YJ player be less likely to go to Hofstra considering the animosity between programs.

So let me get this straight, Hofstra offers your daughter a good education and some money to play lacrosse and you dont play because you had a bee on your pinney?? give me a break

Good education ,very arguable(definitely not for the money)
Possible Shanon Smith may be less likely to recruit YJ players making it less likely for a YJ player to go to Hofstra
If the choice for SS to give money to a YJ player or TG player who do you think she goes with making YJ player less likely to go to Hofstra.
If YJ let you play for them for free ,would you?
If CR were coaching a college team would you be more or less likely to go.

I would rather believe that Shannon is not as petty as you parents. I have to believe she will take the best players that have interest in Hofstra no matter if that player played for Y.J. T.G. or Liberty, her ultimate goal is to win. I can't believe she would take a girl simply because of the jersey she wore for summer lax. With your theory any half decent player from West Babylon will make it to Hofstra even if there is a much stronger player from Longwood that is up against her for the same spot, it's just insane to think a D-1 coach will not take the best player period. My only thought is that if your a Y.J. player i would not spend the $1,000.00 and have Carol call Shannon, Just call yourself you'll be better off

$1000 for a phone call???? And why are you bashing Longwood?

Touchy , I wasn't bashing Longwood It was a random town name in my head to show that Shannon will pick the better player from any high school team as opposed to picking a player from her home town, So one could infer that she would pick the better player from the Yellow Jackets , Liberty , 91, etc. as opposed to picking a less talented T.G. player simply for the reason that she is a T.G. player. You must be new to this because everyone knows that Carol charges MOST girls a hefty fee for writing letters and making phone calls to coaches, I believe she calls it a recruiting service and I probably got the dollar amount a little on the cheap side. SORRY didn't mean to offend any of you truly thin skinned politicly correct helicopter moms.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, I'm impressed - 4 honest, sincere, helpful responses in a row with no name calling, bad mouthing or "my club's better than your club."

This shows that it can be done, let's keep it up!

Did not last long they just couldn't help themselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, I'm impressed - 4 honest, sincere, helpful responses in a row with no name calling, bad mouthing or "my club's better than your club."

This shows that it can be done, let's keep it up!

Did not last long they just couldn't help themselves.

It's been very good lately - positive, helpful, encouraging posts! Keep it up is right!

Calm down....was said in jest!

Ok so do you really think that SS is going to call other colleges on your behalf for your kid at TG. Now that's funny. Good luck with that!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how people feel the Hofstra position will impact the TG players being recruited.Positives would be obviously if you want to go to Hofstra,,also it may make her more familiar with the recruiting process and what makes coaches want to recruit a player.On the negative side does it impact other coaches especially in Hofstras division ,or teams that feel like they are competing with Shannon for a player.Does it set up the appearance that she may not be advocating for a player as strong as she could if she wants that player to attend Hofstra.On another note will any YJ player be less likely to go to Hofstra considering the animosity between programs.

So let me get this straight, Hofstra offers your daughter a good education and some money to play lacrosse and you dont play because you had a bee on your pinney?? give me a break

Good education ,very arguable(definitely not for the money)
Possible Shanon Smith may be less likely to recruit YJ players making it less likely for a YJ player to go to Hofstra
If the choice for SS to give money to a YJ player or TG player who do you think she goes with making YJ player less likely to go to Hofstra.
If YJ let you play for them for free ,would you?
If CR were coaching a college team would you be more or less likely to go.

I can answer both those questions in one , If Carol rose is coaching or is in any way involved NO

Don't you think there are many YJ parents and players who feel the same way with SS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone who has had a daughter in 5th or 6th grade on TG in the past tell me some of the tournaments and places that you have traveled to? Obviously there is no information on the TG website yet, but I was just trying to get an idea of where we will be traveling locally and off the Island in these age groups. Thanks in advance for any information!! The positive and helpful posts have been great!!

My daughter played on the 5th grade team and they played in: PA, NJ, Syracuse, Maryland & Delaware this past summer. This was our first year with TG so I;m not sure if they play the same tournaments every summer or not. So start saving gas money now!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how people feel the Hofstra position will impact the TG players being recruited.Positives would be obviously if you want to go to Hofstra,,also it may make her more familiar with the recruiting process and what makes coaches want to recruit a player.On the negative side does it impact other coaches especially in Hofstras division ,or teams that feel like they are competing with Shannon for a player.Does it set up the appearance that she may not be advocating for a player as strong as she could if she wants that player to attend Hofstra.On another note will any YJ player be less likely to go to Hofstra considering the animosity between programs.

So let me get this straight, Hofstra offers your daughter a good education and some money to play lacrosse and you dont play because you had a bee on your pinney?? give me a break

Good education ,very arguable(definitely not for the money)
Possible Shanon Smith may be less likely to recruit YJ players making it less likely for a YJ player to go to Hofstra
If the choice for SS to give money to a YJ player or TG player who do you think she goes with making YJ player less likely to go to Hofstra.
If YJ let you play for them for free ,would you?
If CR were coaching a college team would you be more or less likely to go.

I would rather believe that Shannon is not as petty as you parents. I have to believe she will take the best players that have interest in Hofstra no matter if that player played for Y.J. T.G. or Liberty, her ultimate goal is to win. I can't believe she would take a girl simply because of the jersey she wore for summer lax. With your theory any half decent player from West Babylon will make it to Hofstra even if there is a much stronger player from Longwood that is up against her for the same spot, it's just insane to think a D-1 coach will not take the best player period. My only thought is that if your a Y.J. player i would not spend the $1,000.00 and have Carol call Shannon, Just call yourself you'll be better off

$1000 for a phone call???? And why are you bashing Longwood?

Touchy , I wasn't bashing Longwood It was a random town name in my head to show that Shannon will pick the better player from any high school team as opposed to picking a player from her home town, So one could infer that she would pick the better player from the Yellow Jackets , Liberty , 91, etc. as opposed to picking a less talented T.G. player simply for the reason that she is a T.G. player. You must be new to this because everyone knows that Carol charges MOST girls a hefty fee for writing letters and making phone calls to coaches, I believe she calls it a recruiting service and I probably got the dollar amount a little on the cheap side. SORRY didn't mean to offend any of you truly thin skinned politicly correct helicopter moms.

Top Guns picked the MOST TALENTED players for BOTH black and purple teams this year.Outside the box thinking. YES, there were many, many cuts to players who were previously on the teams. But as a previous poster stated- no "A" or "B" team- instead 2 fierce teams that will raise the bar for the organization. Lots of hard feelings? Yes. If this strategy works and is made clear to all involved (players, parents,coaches) this WILL BE the place you want your daughters to play on. Hope the talent from other premier teams that were picked up works out. Rosters will be published soon and in some cases this forum will look tame to what will come on the bashing of those who made the switch (2017).(One girl posted on her fb page that she made a TG team but had no idea who was selected to coach, again-wait for the roster, lots of fibs?)Let's root for all the girls and encourage fair play and good sportsmanship. LET THEM PLAY!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how people feel the Hofstra position will impact the TG players being recruited.Positives would be obviously if you want to go to Hofstra,,also it may make her more familiar with the recruiting process and what makes coaches want to recruit a player.On the negative side does it impact other coaches especially in Hofstras division ,or teams that feel like they are competing with Shannon for a player.Does it set up the appearance that she may not be advocating for a player as strong as she could if she wants that player to attend Hofstra.On another note will any YJ player be less likely to go to Hofstra considering the animosity between programs.

So let me get this straight, Hofstra offers your daughter a good education and some money to play lacrosse and you dont play because you had a bee on your pinney?? give me a break

Good education ,very arguable(definitely not for the money)
Possible Shanon Smith may be less likely to recruit YJ players making it less likely for a YJ player to go to Hofstra
If the choice for SS to give money to a YJ player or TG player who do you think she goes with making YJ player less likely to go to Hofstra.
If YJ let you play for them for free ,would you?
If CR were coaching a college team would you be more or less likely to go.

I can answer both those questions in one , If Carol rose is coaching or is in any way involved NO

Don't you think there are many YJ parents and players who feel the same way with SS

WHY???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns picked the MOST TALENTED players for BOTH black and purple teams this year.Outside the box thinking. YES, there were many, many cuts to players who were previously on the teams. But as a previous poster stated- no "A" or "B" team- instead 2 fierce teams that will raise the bar for the organization. Lots of hard feelings? Yes. If this strategy works and is made clear to all involved (players, parents,coaches) this WILL BE the place you want your daughters to play on. Hope the talent from other premier teams that were picked up works out. Rosters will be published soon and in some cases this forum will look tame to what will come on the bashing of those who made the switch (2017).(One girl posted on her fb page that she made a TG team but had no idea who was selected to coach, again-wait for the roster, lots of fibs?)Let's root for all the girls and encourage fair play and good sportsmanship. LET THEM PLAY!

Excellent post

This is great to hear! I had also heard that in the past that parents had used the colors of the teams to distinguish an "A" and "B" team, which I think always works against everyone. And yes, I meant to say everyone, because one year a girl could be on black and then moved to purple another year for whatever reason TG sees fit, and because of these categories the young lady is devastated. These labels are not what it's all about. I have also heard that with the amount of girls and the amount of talent that came out in ALL age groups, TG basically had their top picks and have made very competitive teams across the board and across the colors. GO TG! Good Luck to all the girls and above all ENJOY your sport!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HELP. My daughter was fortunate enough to make one of the 2018 teams, incoming 7th-grader. My spouse and I are debating/yelling/battling back and forth over whether the commitment is worth it at this age. Her primary concern is whether it's "too early" to make such a large time/financial commitment. She feels that it might be better to wait a year, brush up on her skills and take try again next year. My fear is that the girls that opt to play will likely improve significantly, making it more difficult for my daughter to keep up. In short, I wonder whether we're already somewhat late to the party and frankly was surprised by our invitation.

Any thoughts / advice would be much appreciated.

Kinda depends on how serious your kid is about lacrosse, and you're right, it is a big commitment. Assuming she is serious, I'm with you. Unless your plan to "brush-up" her skills is somehow better than playing club ball, she will lose ground to the kids that are playing year-round. Personnaly, I think 7th grade's about the right time to think about club sports. I know they start them earlier but I'm not a big fan of the practice.

I just wanted to thank you and the other kind people for your thoughtful replies to my question / concern. After multiple heated arguments back and forth about the pluses and minuses, we've decided to take the leap ,,, primarily because my daughter is thrilled about the opportunity. I look forward to meeting many of you next Spring / Summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns picked the MOST TALENTED players for BOTH black and purple teams this year.Outside the box thinking. YES, there were many, many cuts to players who were previously on the teams. But as a previous poster stated- no "A" or "B" team- instead 2 fierce teams that will raise the bar for the organization. Lots of hard feelings? Yes. If this strategy works and is made clear to all involved (players, parents,coaches) this WILL BE the place you want your daughters to play on. Hope the talent from other premier teams that were picked up works out. Rosters will be published soon and in some cases this forum will look tame to what will come on the bashing of those who made the switch (2017).(One girl posted on her fb page that she made a TG team but had no idea who was selected to coach, again-wait for the roster, lots of fibs?)Let's root for all the girls and encourage fair play and good sportsmanship. LET THEM PLAY!

Excellent post

Give me a break, you are so naive if you think both teams will be even remotely close in talent.No offense but YJ was much better then us at this age group last year and if the top talent was equally divided we would have absolutely no chance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns picked the MOST TALENTED players for BOTH black and purple teams this year.Outside the box thinking. YES, there were many, many cuts to players who were previously on the teams. But as a previous poster stated- no "A" or "B" team- instead 2 fierce teams that will raise the bar for the organization. Lots of hard feelings? Yes. If this strategy works and is made clear to all involved (players, parents,coaches) this WILL BE the place you want your daughters to play on. Hope the talent from other premier teams that were picked up works out. Rosters will be published soon and in some cases this forum will look tame to what will come on the bashing of those who made the switch (2017).(One girl posted on her fb page that she made a TG team but had no idea who was selected to coach, again-wait for the roster, lots of fibs?)Let's root for all the girls and encourage fair play and good sportsmanship. LET THEM PLAY!

Excellent post

Love that post too! My daughter is one of the new 2017 players, so we're anxious to see the rosters! Go Top Guns!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns picked the MOST TALENTED players for BOTH black and purple teams this year.Outside the box thinking. YES, there were many, many cuts to players who were previously on the teams. But as a previous poster stated- no "A" or "B" team- instead 2 fierce teams that will raise the bar for the organization. Lots of hard feelings? Yes. If this strategy works and is made clear to all involved (players, parents,coaches) this WILL BE the place you want your daughters to play on. Hope the talent from other premier teams that were picked up works out. Rosters will be published soon and in some cases this forum will look tame to what will come on the bashing of those who made the switch (2017).(One girl posted on her fb page that she made a TG team but had no idea who was selected to coach, again-wait for the roster, lots of fibs?)Let's root for all the girls and encourage fair play and good sportsmanship. LET THEM PLAY!

Excellent post

Give me a break, you are so naive if you think both teams will be even remotely close in talent.No offense but YJ was much better then us at this age group last year and if the top talent was equally divided we would have absolutely no chance.

We'll see...adding a few of those YJ players will definitely help us be more competitive...doesn't hurt for that person to be positive and optimistic...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns picked the MOST TALENTED players for BOTH black and purple teams this year.Outside the box thinking. YES, there were many, many cuts to players who were previously on the teams. But as a previous poster stated- no "A" or "B" team- instead 2 fierce teams that will raise the bar for the organization. Lots of hard feelings? Yes. If this strategy works and is made clear to all involved (players, parents,coaches) this WILL BE the place you want your daughters to play on. Hope the talent from other premier teams that were picked up works out. Rosters will be published soon and in some cases this forum will look tame to what will come on the bashing of those who made the switch (2017).(One girl posted on her fb page that she made a TG team but had no idea who was selected to coach, again-wait for the roster, lots of fibs?)Let's root for all the girls and encourage fair play and good sportsmanship. LET THEM PLAY!

Excellent post

Give me a break, you are so naive if you think both teams will be even remotely close in talent.No offense but YJ was much better then us at this age group last year and if the top talent was equally divided we would have absolutely no chance.

Easy there tough guy, how about you wait to judge until the administartors of the league address this. Both teams will be loeaded this year based on movement and newcomers. I trust TG knows what they are doing and have a feeling they will make it clear that one team is NOT going to be an "A" team. They do NOT want to be known as the YJ.

Ha HA HA. As soon as you have enough kids at tryout to have a third team. It is done. Don't kid yourselves. You are exactly like the yjs. It is a business, and therefor run as one. Soon to have three teams in all ages. Dont hate ss for it.

2019 They are a town team though, not a club team.

The most important thing is the girls are going to play against girls equal to or better than their own athletic ability. Everyone should be encouraging the girls not bashing all the teams . You never know what a talent will develop into they are so young. Some kids peak at an early age and others take time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns picked the MOST TALENTED players for BOTH black and purple teams this year.Outside the box thinking. YES, there were many, many cuts to players who were previously on the teams. But as a previous poster stated- no "A" or "B" team- instead 2 fierce teams that will raise the bar for the organization. Lots of hard feelings? Yes. If this strategy works and is made clear to all involved (players, parents,coaches) this WILL BE the place you want your daughters to play on. Hope the talent from other premier teams that were picked up works out. Rosters will be published soon and in some cases this forum will look tame to what will come on the bashing of those who made the switch (2017).(One girl posted on her fb page that she made a TG team but had no idea who was selected to coach, again-wait for the roster, lots of fibs?)Let's root for all the girls and encourage fair play and good sportsmanship. LET THEM PLAY!

Excellent post

Give me a break, you are so naive if you think both teams will be even remotely close in talent.No offense but YJ was much better then us at this age group last year and if the top talent was equally divided we would have absolutely no chance.

Easy there tough guy, how about you wait to judge until the administartors of the league address this. Both teams will be loeaded this year based on movement and newcomers. I trust TG knows what they are doing and have a feeling they will make it clear that one team is NOT going to be an "A" team. They do NOT want to be known as the YJ.

Clueless, of course they will have an A team and B team.Why do you think this would be the only age group to do this let alone the only travel club. Let me guess your new YJ saviors will be on the black team, guaranteed .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 They are a town team though, not a club team.

what does that mean?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns picked the MOST TALENTED players for BOTH black and purple teams this year.Outside the box thinking. YES, there were many, many cuts to players who were previously on the teams. But as a previous poster stated- no "A" or "B" team- instead 2 fierce teams that will raise the bar for the organization. Lots of hard feelings? Yes. If this strategy works and is made clear to all involved (players, parents,coaches) this WILL BE the place you want your daughters to play on. Hope the talent from other premier teams that were picked up works out. Rosters will be published soon and in some cases this forum will look tame to what will come on the bashing of those who made the switch (2017).(One girl posted on her fb page that she made a TG team but had no idea who was selected to coach, again-wait for the roster, lots of fibs?)Let's root for all the girls and encourage fair play and good sportsmanship. LET THEM PLAY!

Excellent post

Give me a break, you are so naive if you think both teams will be even remotely close in talent.No offense but YJ was much better then us at this age group last year and if the top talent was equally divided we would have absolutely no chance.

Easy there tough guy, how about you wait to judge until the administartors of the league address this. Both teams will be loeaded this year based on movement and newcomers. I trust TG knows what they are doing and have a feeling they will make it clear that one team is NOT going to be an "A" team. They do NOT want to be known as the YJ.

Clueless, of course they will have an A team and B team.Why do you think this would be the only age group to do this let alone the only travel club. Let me guess your new YJ saviors will be on the black team, guaranteed .

Funny how we talk about competing with the YJ's, M&D's and SkyWalkers of the lax world and then talk about fielding multiple balanced teams at each grad year. Hope no one out there actually thinks we can do both. Wouldn't want to play for a club that, by design, does not field their most competitive teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns picked the MOST TALENTED players for BOTH black and purple teams this year.Outside the box thinking. YES, there were many, many cuts to players who were previously on the teams. But as a previous poster stated- no "A" or "B" team- instead 2 fierce teams that will raise the bar for the organization. Lots of hard feelings? Yes. If this strategy works and is made clear to all involved (players, parents,coaches) this WILL BE the place you want your daughters to play on. Hope the talent from other premier teams that were picked up works out. Rosters will be published soon and in some cases this forum will look tame to what will come on the bashing of those who made the switch (2017).(One girl posted on her fb page that she made a TG team but had no idea who was selected to coach, again-wait for the roster, lots of fibs?)Let's root for all the girls and encourage fair play and good sportsmanship. LET THEM PLAY!

Excellent post

Give me a break, you are so naive if you think both teams will be even remotely close in talent.No offense but YJ was much better then us at this age group last year and if the top talent was equally divided we would have absolutely no chance.

Easy there tough guy, how about you wait to judge until the administartors of the league address this. Both teams will be loeaded this year based on movement and newcomers. I trust TG knows what they are doing and have a feeling they will make it clear that one team is NOT going to be an "A" team. They do NOT want to be known as the YJ.

Clueless, of course they will have an A team and B team.Why do you think this would be the only age group to do this let alone the only travel club. Let me guess your new YJ saviors will be on the black team, guaranteed .

Funny how we talk about competing with the YJ's, M&D's and SkyWalkers of the lax world and then talk about fielding multiple balanced teams at each grad year. Hope no one out there actually thinks we can do both. Wouldn't want to play for a club that, by design, does not field their most competitive teams.

don't worry. the best team will be black, and hopefully, purple will be very competitive too...that's the goal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns picked the MOST TALENTED players for BOTH black and purple teams this year.Outside the box thinking. YES, there were many, many cuts to players who were previously on the teams. But as a previous poster stated- no "A" or "B" team- instead 2 fierce teams that will raise the bar for the organization. Lots of hard feelings? Yes. If this strategy works and is made clear to all involved (players, parents,coaches) this WILL BE the place you want your daughters to play on. Hope the talent from other premier teams that were picked up works out. Rosters will be published soon and in some cases this forum will look tame to what will come on the bashing of those who made the switch (2017).(One girl posted on her fb page that she made a TG team but had no idea who was selected to coach, again-wait for the roster, lots of fibs?)Let's root for all the girls and encourage fair play and good sportsmanship. LET THEM PLAY!

Excellent post

Give me a break, you are so naive if you think both teams will be even remotely close in talent.No offense but YJ was much better then us at this age group last year and if the top talent was equally divided we would have absolutely no chance.

Easy there tough guy, how about you wait to judge until the administartors of the league address this. Both teams will be loeaded this year based on movement and newcomers. I trust TG knows what they are doing and have a feeling they will make it clear that one team is NOT going to be an "A" team. They do NOT want to be known as the YJ.

Clueless, of course they will have an A team and B team.Why do you think this would be the only age group to do this let alone the only travel club. Let me guess your new YJ saviors will be on the black team, guaranteed .

Funny how we talk about competing with the YJ's, M&D's and SkyWalkers of the lax world and then talk about fielding multiple balanced teams at each grad year. Hope no one out there actually thinks we can do both. Wouldn't want to play for a club that, by design, does not field their most competitive teams.

WHAT?? You make no sense! OF COURSE TG IS FIELDING THEIR MOST COMPETITIVE MULTIPLE BALANCED TEAMS. Why couldn't it be done?? Did you take your thinking pill this morning??

Talk about drinking kool-aid.

Funny how we talk about competing with the YJ's, M&D's and SkyWalkers of the lax world and then talk about fielding multiple balanced teams at each grad year. Hope no one out there actually thinks we can do both. Wouldn't want to play for a club that, by design, does not field their most competitive teams.

WHAT?? You make no sense! OF COURSE TG IS FIELDING THEIR MOST COMPETITIVE MULTIPLE BALANCED TEAMS. Why couldn't it be done?? Did you take your thinking pill this morning??

Stole another play out of CR playbook and you fell for it, what next all teams will be called black?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny how we talk about competing with the YJ's, M&D's and SkyWalkers of the lax world and then talk about fielding multiple balanced teams at each grad year. Hope no one out there actually thinks we can do both. Wouldn't want to play for a club that, by design, does not field their most competitive teams.

WHAT?? You make no sense! OF COURSE TG IS FIELDING THEIR MOST COMPETITIVE MULTIPLE BALANCED TEAMS. Why couldn't it be done?? Did you take your thinking pill this morning??

Stole another play out of CR playbook and you fell for it, what next all teams will be called black?

Will be very confusing YJ blue vs TG black on field 1 with YJ blue vs TG black on field 2 all in the same age group.This politically correct nonsense that all the players have equal talent has got to stop.Yes my kid has been on TG black for years and has worked hard to stay there,give the kids something to work towards.

Unfortunately I think a nerve has been struck with the pompous parents whose daughters MUST be labeled on the black team and therefore the "A" team, vs being on purple. How dare there be a 2nd competitive team in any age group? (said sarcastically) Obviously one team is going to be loaded with awesome players. But why is it so hard to believe that with such a great turnout at tryouts, a second team of highly competitive awesome players couldn't be formed? And I'll say it so the arrogant, negative parents out there don't start crying....of course that second team will play in a lower division....there,there feel better? Now everyone needs to lighten up and get their panties unbunched, and be happy that we have young, happy and HEALTHY kids who can play and enjoy sports! Let's be thankful for what we have and focus on the positive! Thank you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately I think a nerve has been struck with the pompous parents whose daughters MUST be labeled on the black team and therefore the "A" team, vs being on purple. How dare there be a 2nd competitive team in any age group? (said sarcastically) Obviously one team is going to be loaded with awesome players. But why is it so hard to believe that with such a great turnout at tryouts, a second team of highly competitive awesome players couldn't be formed? And I'll say it so the arrogant, negative parents out there don't start crying....of course that second team will play in a lower division....there,there feel better? Now everyone needs to lighten up and get their panties unbunched, and be happy that we have young, happy and HEALTHY kids who can play and enjoy sports! Let's be thankful for what we have and focus on the positive! Thank you

Yeah real positive.Stop with the politically correct everyone gets a metal type attitude.No one said they cannot have 2 very good teams at each age group but to act as if there is not an A and B and possibly a C team is just silly.You keep lying to your kid telling them that her team is just as good as the top team and I will keep telling mine that if she wants to be on the top team she needs to work hard.If you consider that arrogant so be it.If people are actually believing that both teams will be equal and are making their decision to lay based on that then that is wrong.Good luck on your purple team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately I think a nerve has been struck with the pompous parents whose daughters MUST be labeled on the black team and therefore the "A" team, vs being on purple. How dare there be a 2nd competitive team in any age group? (said sarcastically) Obviously one team is going to be loaded with awesome players. But why is it so hard to believe that with such a great turnout at tryouts, a second team of highly competitive awesome players couldn't be formed? And I'll say it so the arrogant, negative parents out there don't start crying....of course that second team will play in a lower division....there,there feel better? Now everyone needs to lighten up and get their panties unbunched, and be happy that we have young, happy and HEALTHY kids who can play and enjoy sports! Let's be thankful for what we have and focus on the positive! Thank you

Very well said! Thanks, from a happy purple team parent!

Great Post! Lets all grow up we all play for the same club team ! All that matters is the girls are doing something they love to do PLAY LACROSSE!y2y

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately I think a nerve has been struck with the pompous parents whose daughters MUST be labeled on the black team and therefore the "A" team, vs being on purple. How dare there be a 2nd competitive team in any age group? (said sarcastically) Obviously one team is going to be loaded with awesome players. But why is it so hard to believe that with such a great turnout at tryouts, a second team of highly competitive awesome players couldn't be formed? And I'll say it so the arrogant, negative parents out there don't start crying....of course that second team will play in a lower division....there,there feel better? Now everyone needs to lighten up and get their panties unbunched, and be happy that we have young, happy and HEALTHY kids who can play and enjoy sports! Let's be thankful for what we have and focus on the positive! Thank you

Seems like the nerve was struck with the dilusional parents who's daughters have been placed on the purple teams do to playing ability.

I think BOTH teams will be loaded with awesome players. As a previous poster stated- let's wait for the rosters. Good luck to all of the girls playing fall sports for their respective schools!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think BOTH teams will be loaded with awesome players. As a previous poster stated- let's wait for the rosters. Good luck to all of the girls playing fall sports for their respective schools!

I guess the rosters should be posted towards the end of the month, since first payment is due 9/17. Does anyone know when they were posted last year? The website says fall tournaments and practices will be announced today, but nothing yet...

I think I am being more positive than most of these posts....and what do you know about what I am saying to my kid? I'm telling her to do her best and enjoy playing. What I consider arrogant is when parents whose kid is already in a higher position on a team, has to make it worse by drilling that into everyone else, and cannot find it in themselves to just be encouraging to the whole club. By the way...I'm not looking for my kid to get a medal, (spelled with a D) just for her to be able to have fun in her sport without teammates on a different color team acting superior because of what mommy and daddy has them believing (because I can guarantee, the year your daughter drops down to purple, you'll be finding yourself a new club because of the stigma you're adding). And thank you, we will have fun on purple! Have fun on black stabbing each other in the backs! Chill Out!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns picked the MOST TALENTED players for BOTH black and purple teams this year.Outside the box thinking. YES, there were many, many cuts to players who were previously on the teams. But as a previous poster stated- no "A" or "B" team- instead 2 fierce teams that will raise the bar for the organization. Lots of hard feelings? Yes. If this strategy works and is made clear to all involved (players, parents,coaches) this WILL BE the place you want your daughters to play on. Hope the talent from other premier teams that were picked up works out. Rosters will be published soon and in some cases this forum will look tame to what will come on the bashing of those who made the switch (2017).(One girl posted on her fb page that she made a TG team but had no idea who was selected to coach, again-wait for the roster, lots of fibs?)Let's root for all the girls and encourage fair play and good sportsmanship. LET THEM PLAY!

Excellent post

Give me a break, you are so naive if you think both teams will be even remotely close in talent.No offense but YJ was much better then us at this age group last year and if the top talent was equally divided we would have absolutely no chance.

Easy there tough guy, how about you wait to judge until the administartors of the league address this. Both teams will be loeaded this year based on movement and newcomers. I trust TG knows what they are doing and have a feeling they will make it clear that one team is NOT going to be an "A" team. They do NOT want to be known as the YJ.

Clueless, of course they will have an A team and B team.Why do you think this would be the only age group to do this let alone the only travel club. Let me guess your new YJ saviors will be on the black team, guaranteed .

Funny how we talk about competing with the YJ's, M&D's and SkyWalkers of the lax world and then talk about fielding multiple balanced teams at each grad year. Hope no one out there actually thinks we can do both. Wouldn't want to play for a club that, by design, does not field their most competitive teams.

It was YJ #2 that was in the u-15 finals in fla, not YJ #1 - anything is possible if you have enough talented girls to choose from!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think I am being more positive than most of these posts....and what do you know about what I am saying to my kid? I'm telling her to do her best and enjoy playing. What I consider arrogant is when parents whose kid is already in a higher position on a team, has to make it worse by drilling that into everyone else, and cannot find it in themselves to just be encouraging to the whole club. By the way...I'm not looking for my kid to get a medal, (spelled with a D) just for her to be able to have fun in her sport without teammates on a different color team acting superior because of what mommy and daddy has them believing (because I can guarantee, the year your daughter drops down to purple, you'll be finding yourself a new club because of the stigma you're adding). And thank you, we will have fun on purple! Have fun on black stabbing each other in the backs! Chill Out!

Are you that dense, do you really think you are being encouraging to the whole club .I can guarantee my daughter will never drop down to purple ,so the good news is she will never have to play with your daughter. Have fun on purple because everyone knows losing most of your games is fun.You are such a smug touchebag ,oh sorry I should have used a D again.

Not really sure how this post is discouraging the whole club...you're being pretty smug and mighty discouraging. Good luck to your fellow sideline parents dealing with you. I'm sure you let them know that your daughter is the best one on her team to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not really sure how this post is discouraging the whole club...you're being pretty smug and mighty discouraging. Good luck to your fellow sideline parents dealing with you. I'm sure you let them know that your daughter is the best one on her team to.

Hey, now this sounds like that other thread!! It sure didn't take long for you all to start the infighting and petty bickering. And the rosters are not even posted yet!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not really sure how this post is discouraging the whole club...you're being pretty smug and mighty discouraging. Good luck to your fellow sideline parents dealing with you. I'm sure you let them know that your daughter is the best one on her team to.

Never said discouraging to the whole club ,you just seem to resent the players and parents on the black teams.The people who feel the desire to correct others grammar,spelling etc. come across to me as the smug ones.By the way I think it should have been too not to.Good luck to your sideline parents watching your daughter drop the ball for the season.Keep up the good work.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how people feel the Hofstra position will impact the TG players being recruited.Positives would be obviously if you want to go to Hofstra,,also it may make her more familiar with the recruiting process and what makes coaches want to recruit a player.On the negative side does it impact other coaches especially in Hofstras division ,or teams that feel like they are competing with Shannon for a player.Does it set up the appearance that she may not be advocating for a player as strong as she could if she wants that player to attend Hofstra.On another note will any YJ player be less likely to go to Hofstra considering the animosity between programs.

So let me get this straight, Hofstra offers your daughter a good education and some money to play lacrosse and you dont play because you had a bee on your pinney?? give me a break

Good education ,very arguable(definitely not for the money)
Possible Shanon Smith may be less likely to recruit YJ players making it less likely for a YJ player to go to Hofstra
If the choice for SS to give money to a YJ player or TG player who do you think she goes with making YJ player less likely to go to Hofstra.
If YJ let you play for them for free ,would you?
If CR were coaching a college team would you be more or less likely to go.

I can answer both those questions in one , If Carol rose is coaching or is in any way involved NO

Don't you think there are many YJ parents and players who feel the same way with SS

WHY???

Let's start with a complete lack of coaching experience(not saying she will not be a good coach but no one knows,great players do not always make good coaches)
Next I would be very skeptical of how her relationship will be with other coaches in her conference,again too many unknowns, will she really advocate for players she feels may go to conference rivals and help that team win championships.Will other coaches in her conference trust what she is selling? Will existing TG players who are being recruited by Hofstra feel she is their best advocate to other programs?Will her and CR be able to work together if and when a YJ player is considering Hofstra? Many other issues that some may consider personal misgivings such as a lack of loyalty (personally have no problem with her opening up a rival club against someone who did so much for her)etc.

My daughter plays for a rival club to both Y.J and T.G so I truly have no dog in this fight , Just an unbiassed opinion. I truly believe that shannon, unlike Carol, just wants girls to succeed in life and lacrosse, so I think shannon will not have a problem referring a girl, or allowing one of her coaches to refer a girl to a team within conference if that is where that girl truly wants to play, Carol on the other hand is a bitter old woman that harbors ill will for any one that dare defies her.If Shannon wants a particular player from any club, she can give the best offer she can, she does not need to deal with Carol Rose in any manner unless that player goes to North Port, and even with that, only on a limited basis. The only people that stand to get hurt are North Port players seeking an opportunity to play at Hofstra, and relies on Carol for help. As far as your ill informed statement about Carol doing so much for Shannon, I believe that Shannon's father took her and a group of girls all over the east coast to 7 v 7 fall ball events, and never used Carols over priced recruiting service, that coupled with being the best High school player for years is what got Shannon to N.U.. Carol had nothing to do with it and was mad at Bill for not ponying up the money for her help. If anything Shannon did Carol a favor by playing for her. I mean listen to you bitter Y.J's always saying how Shannon was A Yellow Jacket and how she betrayed you leader. Truth be told, If shannon would have played for Liberty, the only other all girls club at the time, and then went on to N.U. and accomplished the same achievements, Liberty would be the dominate club on Long Island, so Carol should thank Shannon instead of complaining about her.

this is funny....you've got way too much time to think about this CR and SS stuff...get a life and/or a job!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's start with a complete lack of coaching experience (not saying she will not be a good coach but no one knows, great players do not always make good coaches)

Agreed, not all great players make great coaches, but some do. I am certain this is not the first time SS is having her abilities questioned. As a new TG parent, I was also skeptical of a recent college graduate's ability to form and run a top-tier lacrosse club. Seeing is believing.

First, this young woman has excelled at the highest level on an off the lacrosse field. Obviously, a few people at the college level believe she is qualified as a coach. How else would you explain her walking into Hofstra seeking an assistant's position and being offered the head coaching job as a 22-year old. Unprecedented. Do you think the new Hofstra Athletic Director was willing to take a "flyer" on a recent college graduate or did some research prior to offering her the position? Will she be an exceptional college coach? Remains to be seen.

Second, imagine your son/daughter or yourselves returning home as a college Freshman (19-year old) and announcing that you're going to form a women's travel lacrosse team. Then in four years time, your U15 team places 3rd in nationals, falling to the eventual champion by a goal in the semi-finals after defeating them in pool play. Perhaps some, including the Hofstra people, concluded that SS's formation of TG and the results to date point to an ability to (i) start something from scratch; (ii) recruit talent and (iii) coach that talent well enough to compete effectively on a national level.

Given the above, has SS proven her ability to coach / teach youth lacrosse at a high level? Absolutely.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's start with a complete lack of coaching experience (not saying she will not be a good coach but no one knows, great players do not always make good coaches)

Agreed, not all great players make great coaches, but some do. I am certain this is not the first time SS is having her abilities questioned. As a new TG parent, I was also skeptical of a recent college graduate's ability to form and run a top-tier lacrosse club. Seeing is believing.

First, this young woman has excelled at the highest level on an off the lacrosse field. Obviously, a few people at the college level believe she is qualified as a coach. How else would you explain her walking into Hofstra seeking an assistant's position and being offered the head coaching job as a 22-year old. Unprecedented. Do you think the new Hofstra Athletic Director was willing to take a "flyer" on a recent college graduate or did some research prior to offering her the position? Will she be an exceptional college coach? Remains to be seen.

Second, imagine your son/daughter or yourselves returning home as a college Freshman (19-year old) and announcing that you're going to form a women's travel lacrosse team. Then in four years time, your U15 team places 3rd in nationals, falling to the eventual champion by a goal in the semi-finals after defeating them in pool play. Perhaps some, including the Hofstra people, concluded that SS's formation of TG and the results to date point to an ability to (i) start something from scratch; (ii) recruit talent and (iii) coach that talent well enough to compete effectively on a national level.

Given the above, has SS proven her ability to coach / teach youth lacrosse at a high level? Absolutely.

Given the above ,no she has not proven anything and your reasoning is silly.Because she was hired as a coach you make the assumption that she must be a good coach,you even end it stating it remains to be seen.Do you think the U15 team making it to the semis could be attributed more to the depth of talent on long island considering the YJ 2 team made it to the finals.The one thing she has proven is that she is a great player although according to you that would prove that the YJ must have the best coaching around because they are the club she trained with(do not believe this to be true).For my money DG is best coach on the island until someone proves differently.

I love SS, but regardless of what she's accomplished, she�s still a kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

this is funny....you've got way too much time to think about this CR and SS stuff...get a life and/or a job!

I have a job where I have accumulated enough credit and respect that I can take five minuets from my day and do as I please without fear. Secondly it didn't take any thought at all, It's just the story I was told , now go make your husband dinner and earn your keep.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

this is funny....you've got way too much time to think about this CR and SS stuff...get a life and/or a job!

I have a job where I have accumulated enough credit and respect that I can take five minuets from my day and do as I please without fear. Secondly it didn't take any thought at all, It's just the story I was told , now go make your husband dinner and earn your keep.

You're a tool...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

this is funny....you've got way too much time to think about this CR and SS stuff...get a life and/or a job!

I have a job where I have accumulated enough credit and respect that I can take five minuets from my day and do as I please without fear. Secondly it didn't take any thought at all, It's just the story I was told , now go make your husband dinner and earn your keep.

Exactly, STORY you were told. I hear stories all the time. It doesn't make them true. I usually check my facts so I don't look stupid and uninformed...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

this is funny....you've got way too much time to think about this CR and SS stuff...get a life and/or a job!

I have a job where I have accumulated enough credit and respect that I can take five minuets from my day and do as I please without fear. Secondly it didn't take any thought at all, It's just the story I was told , now go make your husband dinner and earn your keep.

You believe every story you have been told.Hears another story, you are clueless.CR,DG,and now SS run these clubs with one thing in mind,making money.If they happen to help a few kids get better at lacrosse while making all this money it's only because that will help them make more money,don't fool yourself. Good for all of them if they can get us all to pay big bucks then good for them.No one believes you have no dog in this fight.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's start with a complete lack of coaching experience (not saying she will not be a good coach but no one knows, great players do not always make good coaches)

Agreed, not all great players make great coaches, but some do. I am certain this is not the first time SS is having her abilities questioned. As a new TG parent, I was also skeptical of a recent college graduate's ability to form and run a top-tier lacrosse club. Seeing is believing.

First, this young woman has excelled at the highest level on an off the lacrosse field. Obviously, a few people at the college level believe she is qualified as a coach. How else would you explain her walking into Hofstra seeking an assistant's position and being offered the head coaching job as a 22-year old. Unprecedented. Do you think the new Hofstra Athletic Director was willing to take a "flyer" on a recent college graduate or did some research prior to offering her the position? Will she be an exceptional college coach? Remains to be seen.

Second, imagine your son/daughter or yourselves returning home as a college Freshman (19-year old) and announcing that you're going to form a women's travel lacrosse team. Then in four years time, your U15 team places 3rd in nationals, falling to the eventual champion by a goal in the semi-finals after defeating them in pool play. Perhaps some, including the Hofstra people, concluded that SS's formation of TG and the results to date point to an ability to (i) start something from scratch; (ii) recruit talent and (iii) coach that talent well enough to compete effectively on a national level.

Given the above, has SS proven her ability to coach / teach youth lacrosse at a high level? Absolutely.

Given the above ,no she has not proven anything and your reasoning is silly.Because she was hired as a coach you make the assumption that she must be a good coach,you even end it stating it remains to be seen.Do you think the U15 team making it to the semis could be attributed more to the depth of talent on long island considering the YJ 2 team made it to the finals.The one thing she has proven is that she is a great player although according to you that would prove that the YJ must have the best coaching around because they are the club she trained with(do not believe this to be true).For my money DG is best coach on the island until someone proves differently.

DG and SS have a long way to go before they match anything CR has done on the coaching side of this. Great players don't always make great coaches. They have never even won a major club tourney let alone anything else coaching. Oh and what happened at UA with SS?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given the above ,no she has not proven anything and your reasoning is silly.Because she was hired as a coach you make the assumption that she must be a good coach,you even end it stating it remains to be seen.Do you think the U15 team making it to the semis could be attributed more to the depth of talent on long island considering the YJ 2 team made it to the finals.The one thing she has proven is that she is a great player although according to you that would prove that the YJ must have the best coaching around because they are the club she trained with(do not believe this to be true).For my money DG is best coach on the island until someone proves differently.

We can debate back and forth on her qualifications as a coach. Were CR and DG 19 years of age when they started YJ and Liberty, respectively? I highly doubt it. Clearly, the LI talent pool helps ... but it helps all existing LI clubs, not just TG. The reality is that YJ, Liberty, Express, Elevate, LI Wave were all around before SS started TG. So she had to compete for talent with more established organization, run by adults as opposed to a teenager.

If memory serves correctly, TG played the U15 champions "Skywalkers" twice, defeating them by a goal in pool play and losing by a goal in the semifinals. YJ 2 was blown out in the finals.

Bottom line, SS has built a top-flight club able to compete effectively with YJ, Liberty, Express etc.

Her abilities as a player have far more to do with the efforts of SS and Bill Smith than anything CR ever did.

My daughter made the black team again this year and please know that I am proud of both the purple and black team. She had friends on the purple team and we cheered them on any time we could. They too had a great talent base. We are one organization. Let's see ourselves that way. Let's make ourselves stand apart from some other organizations and not be so negative. We should support every TG player and be proud to be a part of a fine organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given the above ,no she has not proven anything and your reasoning is silly.Because she was hired as a coach you make the assumption that she must be a good coach,you even end it stating it remains to be seen.Do you think the U15 team making it to the semis could be attributed more to the depth of talent on long island considering the YJ 2 team made it to the finals.The one thing she has proven is that she is a great player although according to you that would prove that the YJ must have the best coaching around because they are the club she trained with(do not believe this to be true).For my money DG is best coach on the island until someone proves differently.

We can debate back and forth on her qualifications as a coach. Were CR and DG 19 years of age when they started YJ and Liberty, respectively? I highly doubt it. Clearly, the LI talent pool helps ... but it helps all existing LI clubs, not just TG. The reality is that YJ, Liberty, Express, Elevate, LI Wave were all around before SS started TG. So she had to compete for talent with more established organization, run by adults as opposed to a teenager.

If memory serves correctly, TG played the U15 champions "Skywalkers" twice, defeating them by a goal in pool play and losing by a goal in the semifinals. YJ 2 was blown out in the finals.

Bottom line, SS has built a top-flight club able to compete effectively with YJ, Liberty, Express etc.

Her abilities as a player have far more to do with the efforts of SS and Bill Smith than anything CR ever did.

Here is your problem ,you will not give any credit to SS YJ training for her playing ability ,yet you want to give SS all the credit for her TG teams playing ability, can't have it both ways.If memory serves me correctly your TG teams have never won a national championship caliber tournament. Giving her credit for wanting to cash in on her name at such a young age everyone knows it's her dad who runs the organization and all he has done is attempted to copy CR and DG model.Give credit to the pioneers not the copy cat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

this is funny....you've got way too much time to think about this CR and SS stuff...get a life and/or a job!

I have a job where I have accumulated enough credit and respect that I can take five minuets from my day and do as I please without fear. Secondly it didn't take any thought at all, It's just the story I was told , now go make your husband dinner and earn your keep.

Exactly, STORY you were told. I hear stories all the time. It doesn't make them true. I usually check my facts so I don't look stupid and uninformed...

The story was told to me by someone in the Smith family, where do you get your facts. Here are a couple of things no one has accounted for, or at least hasn't said out loud.
1. Shannon and Bill Smith did not start Top Guns alone , they started it with Steve levy who is a Varsity coach and some if not most of T.G.'s success is his.
2. With Shannon running a D-1 program the likelihood of her having the time to coach Top Guns is highly unlikely seeing as she will be running camps ,clinics and scouting for Hofstra during the summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given the above ,no she has not proven anything and your reasoning is silly.Because she was hired as a coach you make the assumption that she must be a good coach,you even end it stating it remains to be seen.Do you think the U15 team making it to the semis could be attributed more to the depth of talent on long island considering the YJ 2 team made it to the finals.The one thing she has proven is that she is a great player although according to you that would prove that the YJ must have the best coaching around because they are the club she trained with(do not believe this to be true).For my money DG is best coach on the island until someone proves differently.

We can debate back and forth on her qualifications as a coach. Were CR and DG 19 years of age when they started YJ and Liberty, respectively? I highly doubt it. Clearly, the LI talent pool helps ... but it helps all existing LI clubs, not just TG. The reality is that YJ, Liberty, Express, Elevate, LI Wave were all around before SS started TG. So she had to compete for talent with more established organization, run by adults as opposed to a teenager.

If memory serves correctly, TG played the U15 champions "Skywalkers" twice, defeating them by a goal in pool play and losing by a goal in the semifinals. YJ 2 was blown out in the finals.

Bottom line, SS has built a top-flight club able to compete effectively with YJ, Liberty, Express etc.

Her abilities as a player have far more to do with the efforts of SS and Bill Smith than anything CR ever did.

Here is your problem ,you will not give any credit to SS YJ training for her playing ability ,yet you want to give SS all the credit for her TG teams playing ability, can't have it both ways.If memory serves me correctly your TG teams have never won a national championship caliber tournament. Giving her credit for wanting to cash in on her name at such a young age everyone knows it's her dad who runs the organization and all he has done is attempted to copy CR and DG model.Give credit to the pioneers not the copy cat.

The first statement is meaningless and unthought out . T.G has only been in existence for what, 4 years at best. With that logic Carol is a complete failure as a coach because it took her 20 years to finally win the state championship. She wins alot of games against much weaker teams in suffolk. That is not her fault , but when she reaches the upper echelon of Long Island teams she more often than not fails. As far as the U-15 Nationals go out of a field of 25 teams 2 were from MD. 4 from L.I. 1 from Va.and one made up of girls from Vero Beach.. These 8 teams fought it out, impressively beating all other teams in pool play. So basically it was a tournament of 8 so stop using it as measuring stick as to how good the Jackets are. T.G had the second hardest road that week, with S.W. having the hardest. Very impressive for Top Guns. Good job girls

Just curious since we are new to the travel tryout circuit- is it the norm to make evaluation decisions 8 days after a tryout? I'm Not a disgruntled parent, my daughter was fortunate enough to make a TG team, her friends did not fair so well but have played on an opponents team for the past 2 years. Thanks in advance-please no insult/negative comments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is your problem ,you will not give any credit to SS YJ training for her playing ability ,yet you want to give SS all the credit for her TG teams playing ability, can't have it both ways.If memory serves me correctly your TG teams have never won a national championship caliber tournament. Giving her credit for wanting to cash in on her name at such a young age everyone knows it's her dad who runs the organization and all he has done is attempted to copy CR and DG model.Give credit to the pioneers not the copy cat.

I don't have a problem and have no issue giving CR credit for YJ or DG credit for Liberty, both, respectively, very successful organizations. Giving a coach credit for a team's results is appropriate. However, if a player rises to the level of winning the Tewaaraton award, I will give the vast majority of credit to the player, not her present or past coaches.

In college basketball, John Wooden gets credit for multiple national championships at UCLA but not the professional career of Kareem Abdul-Jabaar.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given the above ,no she has not proven anything and your reasoning is silly.Because she was hired as a coach you make the assumption that she must be a good coach,you even end it stating it remains to be seen.Do you think the U15 team making it to the semis could be attributed more to the depth of talent on long island considering the YJ 2 team made it to the finals.The one thing she has proven is that she is a great player although according to you that would prove that the YJ must have the best coaching around because they are the club she trained with(do not believe this to be true).For my money DG is best coach on the island until someone proves differently.

We can debate back and forth on her qualifications as a coach. Were CR and DG 19 years of age when they started YJ and Liberty, respectively? I highly doubt it. Clearly, the LI talent pool helps ... but it helps all existing LI clubs, not just TG. The reality is that YJ, Liberty, Express, Elevate, LI Wave were all around before SS started TG. So she had to compete for talent with more established organization, run by adults as opposed to a teenager.

If memory serves correctly, TG played the U15 champions "Skywalkers" twice, defeating them by a goal in pool play and losing by a goal in the semifinals. YJ 2 was blown out in the finals.

Bottom line, SS has built a top-flight club able to compete effectively with YJ, Liberty, Express etc.

Her abilities as a player have far more to do with the efforts of SS and Bill Smith than anything CR ever did.

Here is your problem ,you will not give any credit to SS YJ training for her playing ability ,yet you want to give SS all the credit for her TG teams playing ability, can't have it both ways.If memory serves me correctly your TG teams have never won a national championship caliber tournament. Giving her credit for wanting to cash in on her name at such a young age everyone knows it's her dad who runs the organization and all he has done is attempted to copy CR and DG model.Give credit to the pioneers not the copy cat.

Thats where the problem is they can't. SS was no star when she started playing YJ in 5-6th grade. She played YJ for at least 6 years and NO don't believe I ever saw dad coach and help her on any YJ teams throughout her career. You cant tell the readers that YJ had absolutely nothing to do with her development that's simply wrong.

The TG program developed by mom and dad using her name. Only time will tell how good she really is as a coach. Her record 0-0-0 stands for itself. She has her work cut out for her and is way behind in recruiting 2014 class Stonybrook appears to have to leg up on long island. Good luck to all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious since we are new to the travel tryout circuit- is it the norm to make evaluation decisions 8 days after a tryout? I'm Not a disgruntled parent, my daughter was fortunate enough to make a TG team, her friends did not fair so well but have played on an opponents team for the past 2 years. Thanks in advance-please no insult/negative comments.

We've been doing this for years with several different clubs. Doesn't make too much sense to me but having to wait a week plus isn't uncommon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2. With Shannon running a D-1 program the likelihood of her having the time to coach Top Guns is highly unlikely seeing as she will be running camps ,clinics and scouting for Hofstra during the summer.

With NCAA rukles about contacting and recruiing students I am not quite sure how much contact SS can have with these children as a head coach of a D1 school. I'd be interested to know how much contact she can have, I once heard that the only thing coaches can do is run clinics, but I don't know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With NCAA rukles about contacting and recruiing students I am not quite sure how much contact SS can have with these children as a head coach of a D1 school. I'd be interested to know how much contact she can have, I once heard that the only thing coaches can do is run clinics, but I don't know.

BOTC has already done a complete deep dive on this issue and the related NCAA regulations.

You can review this material from the College Forum dicussing the details :

Shannon Smith Named as Hofstra's Ninth Women's Head Coach

Cage , I must be slow but seems a lot of NCAA are ambiguous for lack of a better term.Seems some of the rules are not well spelled out ie. 50 mile radius rule( where does measurement start on Hofstra side, is it as simple as using map quest from players house to center of Hofstra campus,among other things.Obviously I would assume SS and Hofstra have asked for clarification for anything that seems confusing.

Someone inquired about the Middle Country 6th Grade team. Don't know why either, but I was just answering the question

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given the above ,no she has not proven anything and your reasoning is silly.Because she was hired as a coach you make the assumption that she must be a good coach,you even end it stating it remains to be seen.Do you think the U15 team making it to the semis could be attributed more to the depth of talent on long island considering the YJ 2 team made it to the finals.The one thing she has proven is that she is a great player although according to you that would prove that the YJ must have the best coaching around because they are the club she trained with(do not believe this to be true).For my money DG is best coach on the island until someone proves differently.

We can debate back and forth on her qualifications as a coach. Were CR and DG 19 years of age when they started YJ and Liberty, respectively? I highly doubt it. Clearly, the LI talent pool helps ... but it helps all existing LI clubs, not just TG. The reality is that YJ, Liberty, Express, Elevate, LI Wave were all around before SS started TG. So she had to compete for talent with more established organization, run by adults as opposed to a teenager.

If memory serves correctly, TG played the U15 champions "Skywalkers" twice, defeating them by a goal in pool play and losing by a goal in the semifinals. YJ 2 was blown out in the finals.

Bottom line, SS has built a top-flight club able to compete effectively with YJ, Liberty, Express etc.

Her abilities as a player have far more to do with the efforts of SS and Bill Smith than anything CR ever did.

Here is your problem ,you will not give any credit to SS YJ training for her playing ability ,yet you want to give SS all the credit for her TG teams playing ability, can't have it both ways.If memory serves me correctly your TG teams have never won a national championship caliber tournament. Giving her credit for wanting to cash in on her name at such a young age everyone knows it's her dad who runs the organization and all he has done is attempted to copy CR and DG model.Give credit to the pioneers not the copy cat.

Thats where the problem is they can't. SS was no star when she started playing YJ in 5-6th grade. She played YJ for at least 6 years and NO don't believe I ever saw dad coach and help her on any YJ teams throughout her career. You cant tell the readers that YJ had absolutely nothing to do with her development that's simply wrong.

The TG program developed by mom and dad using her name. Only time will tell how good she really is as a coach. Her record 0-0-0 stands for itself. She has her work cut out for her and is way behind in recruiting 2014 class Stonybrook appears to have to leg up on long island. Good luck to all.

Okay let's apply your thinking, if you want to give the yjs credit for all of ss training and accomplishments go right ahead, but using that logic we should have several thousand girls performing at the level she has, which is not the case. The deal is, she is an exceptional athlete in many sports with a drive and desire very rarely seen. I have no doubt she would have become one of the most accomplished and decorated playyers in the history of the sport had she opted to play for Liberty or ppretty much anyone else. Clubs don't make great players, she is an extremely athletic girl with an amazing work ethic and drive, if your daughhter doesn't bring that to the table, no club in the world is going to turn her into the next SS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given the above ,no she has not proven anything and your reasoning is silly.Because she was hired as a coach you make the assumption that she must be a good coach,you even end it stating it remains to be seen.Do you think the U15 team making it to the semis could be attributed more to the depth of talent on long island considering the YJ 2 team made it to the finals.The one thing she has proven is that she is a great player although according to you that would prove that the YJ must have the best coaching around because they are the club she trained with(do not believe this to be true).For my money DG is best coach on the island until someone proves differently.

We can debate back and forth on her qualifications as a coach. Were CR and DG 19 years of age when they started YJ and Liberty, respectively? I highly doubt it. Clearly, the LI talent pool helps ... but it helps all existing LI clubs, not just TG. The reality is that YJ, Liberty, Express, Elevate, LI Wave were all around before SS started TG. So she had to compete for talent with more established organization, run by adults as opposed to a teenager.

If memory serves correctly, TG played the U15 champions "Skywalkers" twice, defeating them by a goal in pool play and losing by a goal in the semifinals. YJ 2 was blown out in the finals.

Bottom line, SS has built a top-flight club able to compete effectively with YJ, Liberty, Express etc.

Her abilities as a player have far more to do with the efforts of SS and Bill Smith than anything CR ever did.

Here is your problem ,you will not give any credit to SS YJ training for her playing ability ,yet you want to give SS all the credit for her TG teams playing ability, can't have it both ways.If memory serves me correctly your TG teams have never won a national championship caliber tournament. Giving her credit for wanting to cash in on her name at such a young age everyone knows it's her dad who runs the organization and all he has done is attempted to copy CR and DG model.Give credit to the pioneers not the copy cat.

Thats where the problem is they can't. SS was no star when she started playing YJ in 5-6th grade. She played YJ for at least 6 years and NO don't believe I ever saw dad coach and help her on any YJ teams throughout her career. You cant tell the readers that YJ had absolutely nothing to do with her development that's simply wrong.

The TG program developed by mom and dad using her name. Only time will tell how good she really is as a coach. Her record 0-0-0 stands for itself. She has her work cut out for her and is way behind in recruiting 2014 class Stonybrook appears to have to leg up on long island. Good luck to all.

Okay let's apply your thinking, if you want to give the yjs credit for all of ss training and accomplishments go right ahead, but using that logic we should have several thousand girls performing at the level she has, which is not the case. The deal is, she is an exceptional athlete in many sports with a drive and desire very rarely seen. I have no doubt she would have become one of the most accomplished and decorated playyers in the history of the sport had she opted to play for Liberty or ppretty much anyone else. Clubs don't make great players, she is an extremely athletic girl with an amazing work ethic and drive, if your daughhter doesn't bring that to the table, no club in the world is going to turn her into the next SS.

well said

what flavor is your kool-aid

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given the above ,no she has not proven anything and your reasoning is silly.Because she was hired as a coach you make the assumption that she must be a good coach,you even end it stating it remains to be seen.Do you think the U15 team making it to the semis could be attributed more to the depth of talent on long island considering the YJ 2 team made it to the finals.The one thing she has proven is that she is a great player although according to you that would prove that the YJ must have the best coaching around because they are the club she trained with(do not believe this to be true).For my money DG is best coach on the island until someone proves differently.

We can debate back and forth on her qualifications as a coach. Were CR and DG 19 years of age when they started YJ and Liberty, respectively? I highly doubt it. Clearly, the LI talent pool helps ... but it helps all existing LI clubs, not just TG. The reality is that YJ, Liberty, Express, Elevate, LI Wave were all around before SS started TG. So she had to compete for talent with more established organization, run by adults as opposed to a teenager.

If memory serves correctly, TG played the U15 champions "Skywalkers" twice, defeating them by a goal in pool play and losing by a goal in the semifinals. YJ 2 was blown out in the finals.

Bottom line, SS has built a top-flight club able to compete effectively with YJ, Liberty, Express etc.

Her abilities as a player have far more to do with the efforts of SS and Bill Smith than anything CR ever did.

Here is your problem ,you will not give any credit to SS YJ training for her playing ability ,yet you want to give SS all the credit for her TG teams playing ability, can't have it both ways.If memory serves me correctly your TG teams have never won a national championship caliber tournament. Giving her credit for wanting to cash in on her name at such a young age everyone knows it's her dad who runs the organization and all he has done is attempted to copy CR and DG model.Give credit to the pioneers not the copy cat.

Thats where the problem is they can't. SS was no star when she started playing YJ in 5-6th grade. She played YJ for at least 6 years and NO don't believe I ever saw dad coach and help her on any YJ teams throughout her career. You cant tell the readers that YJ had absolutely nothing to do with her development that's simply wrong.

The TG program developed by mom and dad using her name. Only time will tell how good she really is as a coach. Her record 0-0-0 stands for itself. She has her work cut out for her and is way behind in recruiting 2014 class Stonybrook appears to have to leg up on long island. Good luck to all.

Okay let's apply your thinking, if you want to give the yjs credit for all of ss training and accomplishments go right ahead, but using that logic we should have several thousand girls performing at the level she has, which is not the case. The deal is, she is an exceptional athlete in many sports with a drive and desire very rarely seen. I have no doubt she would have become one of the most accomplished and decorated playyers in the history of the sport had she opted to play for Liberty or ppretty much anyone else. Clubs don't make great players, she is an extremely athletic girl with an amazing work ethic and drive, if your daughhter doesn't bring that to the table, no club in the world is going to turn her into the next SS.

well said

Agree - well said and very true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter plays for a rival club to both Y.J and T.G so I truly have no dog in this fight , Just an unbiassed opinion. I truly believe that shannon, unlike Carol, just wants girls to succeed in life and lacrosse, so I think shannon will not have a problem referring a girl, or allowing one of her coaches to refer a girl to a team within conference if that is where that girl truly wants to play, Carol on the other hand is a bitter old woman that harbors ill will for any one that dare defies her.If Shannon wants a particular player from any club, she can give the best offer she can, she does not need to deal with Carol Rose in any manner unless that player goes to North Port, and even with that, only on a limited basis. The only people that stand to get hurt are North Port players seeking an opportunity to play at Hofstra, and relies on Carol for help. As far as your ill informed statement about Carol doing so much for Shannon, I believe that Shannon's father took her and a group of girls all over the east coast to 7 v 7 fall ball events, and never used Carols over priced recruiting service, that coupled with being the best High school player for years is what got Shannon to N.U.. Carol had nothing to do with it and was mad at Bill for not ponying up the money for her help. If anything Shannon did Carol a favor by playing for her. I mean listen to you bitter Y.J's always saying how Shannon was A Yellow Jacket and how she betrayed you leader. Truth be told, If shannon would have played for Liberty, the only other all girls club at the time, and then went on to N.U. and accomplished the same achievements, Liberty would be the dominate club on Long Island, so Carol should thank Shannon instead of complaining about her.

The ill will between the two has nothing to do with the recruiting services- you are obviously misinformed. Since you state that you are not with either club maybe you should get correct info before you post. It had to do with how Top Gun started and that is all I will say. Get the correct info and you may understand. She did betray coach rose. Smith would have become the player she is no matter who she played for and everyone on yj knows this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter plays for a rival club to both Y.J and T.G so I truly have no dog in this fight , Just an unbiassed opinion. I truly believe that shannon, unlike Carol, just wants girls to succeed in life and lacrosse, so I think shannon will not have a problem referring a girl, or allowing one of her coaches to refer a girl to a team within conference if that is where that girl truly wants to play, Carol on the other hand is a bitter old woman that harbors ill will for any one that dare defies her.If Shannon wants a particular player from any club, she can give the best offer she can, she does not need to deal with Carol Rose in any manner unless that player goes to North Port, and even with that, only on a limited basis. The only people that stand to get hurt are North Port players seeking an opportunity to play at Hofstra, and relies on Carol for help. As far as your ill informed statement about Carol doing so much for Shannon, I believe that Shannon's father took her and a group of girls all over the east coast to 7 v 7 fall ball events, and never used Carols over priced recruiting service, that coupled with being the best High school player for years is what got Shannon to N.U.. Carol had nothing to do with it and was mad at Bill for not ponying up the money for her help. If anything Shannon did Carol a favor by playing for her. I mean listen to you bitter Y.J's always saying how Shannon was A Yellow Jacket and how she betrayed you leader. Truth be told, If shannon would have played for Liberty, the only other all girls club at the time, and then went on to N.U. and accomplished the same achievements, Liberty would be the dominate club on Long Island, so Carol should thank Shannon instead of complaining about her.

The ill will between the two has nothing to do with the recruiting services- you are obviously misinformed. Since you state that you are not with either club maybe you should get correct info before you post. It had to do with how Top Gun started and that is all I will say. Get the correct info and you may understand. She did betray coach rose. Smith would have become the player she is no matter who she played for and everyone on yj knows this.

The information I got came from some one very close to the situation , so unless you are Carol Rose, you are the one with the false information. Shannon had a right to start a club in any fashion, in any place and with any one she wanted,with or without Carols permission or blessing. Just because my daughter choses to play elsewhere doesn't mean the information is wrong, We are very active in the lacrosse community at large and know a lot of people on both sides of this issue. These are the same tactics she tried to use against Danielle, It didn't work then and it will not work now. Carol does not have a patent on L.I. girls lacrosse, and no one needs to check with her before starting a club, wether they played for her or not

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter plays for a rival club to both Y.J and T.G so I truly have no dog in this fight , Just an unbiassed opinion. I truly believe that shannon, unlike Carol, just wants girls to succeed in life and lacrosse, so I think shannon will not have a problem referring a girl, or allowing one of her coaches to refer a girl to a team within conference if that is where that girl truly wants to play, Carol on the other hand is a bitter old woman that harbors ill will for any one that dare defies her.If Shannon wants a particular player from any club, she can give the best offer she can, she does not need to deal with Carol Rose in any manner unless that player goes to North Port, and even with that, only on a limited basis. The only people that stand to get hurt are North Port players seeking an opportunity to play at Hofstra, and relies on Carol for help. As far as your ill informed statement about Carol doing so much for Shannon, I believe that Shannon's father took her and a group of girls all over the east coast to 7 v 7 fall ball events, and never used Carols over priced recruiting service, that coupled with being the best High school player for years is what got Shannon to N.U.. Carol had nothing to do with it and was mad at Bill for not ponying up the money for her help. If anything Shannon did Carol a favor by playing for her. I mean listen to you bitter Y.J's always saying how Shannon was A Yellow Jacket and how she betrayed you leader. Truth be told, If shannon would have played for Liberty, the only other all girls club at the time, and then went on to N.U. and accomplished the same achievements, Liberty would be the dominate club on Long Island, so Carol should thank Shannon instead of complaining about her.

The ill will between the two has nothing to do with the recruiting services- you are obviously misinformed. Since you state that you are not with either club maybe you should get correct info before you post. It had to do with how Top Gun started and that is all I will say. Get the correct info and you may understand. She did betray coach rose. Smith would have become the player she is no matter who she played for and everyone on yj knows this.

Not to perpetuate an argument but you challenged the previous poster to get their facts right and sorry but you are mis informed as well. TG didn't really actively recruit YJs at its inception. If anyone should be royally pissed its the SC All Stars whose entire teams made the switch. With that said even if they did recruit some kids I am sure that is not unethical or wrong for that matter. How is a club supposed to start? Do the current clubs own the rights to their members or are they free to join another if they choose? Being spiteful and downright nasty and unethical should not have been the response from Carol. SC All Stars did not behave that way.

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter plays for a rival club to both Y.J and T.G so I truly have no dog in this fight , Just an unbiassed opinion. I truly believe that shannon, unlike Carol, just wants girls to succeed in life and lacrosse, so I think shannon will not have a problem referring a girl, or allowing one of her coaches to refer a girl to a team within conference if that is where that girl truly wants to play, Carol on the other hand is a bitter old woman that harbors ill will for any one that dare defies her.If Shannon wants a particular player from any club, she can give the best offer she can, she does not need to deal with Carol Rose in any manner unless that player goes to North Port, and even with that, only on a limited basis. The only people that stand to get hurt are North Port players seeking an opportunity to play at Hofstra, and relies on Carol for help. As far as your ill informed statement about Carol doing so much for Shannon, I believe that Shannon's father took her and a group of girls all over the east coast to 7 v 7 fall ball events, and never used Carols over priced recruiting service, that coupled with being the best High school player for years is what got Shannon to N.U.. Carol had nothing to do with it and was mad at Bill for not ponying up the money for her help. If anything Shannon did Carol a favor by playing for her. I mean listen to you bitter Y.J's always saying how Shannon was A Yellow Jacket and how she betrayed you leader. Truth be told, If shannon would have played for Liberty, the only other all girls club at the time, and then went on to N.U. and accomplished the same achievements, Liberty would be the dominate club on Long Island, so Carol should thank Shannon instead of complaining about her.

The ill will between the two has nothing to do with the recruiting services- you are obviously misinformed. Since you state that you are not with either club maybe you should get correct info before you post. It had to do with how Top Gun started and that is all I will say. Get the correct info and you may understand. She did betray coach rose. Smith would have become the player she is no matter who she played for and everyone on yj knows this.

Not to perpetuate an argument but you challenged the previous poster to get their facts right and sorry but you are mis informed as well. TG didn't really actively recruit YJs at its inception. If anyone should be royally pissed its the SC All Stars whose entire teams made the switch. With that said even if they did recruit some kids I am sure that is not unethical or wrong for that matter. How is a club supposed to start? Do the current clubs own the rights to their members or are they free to join another if they choose? Being spiteful and downright nasty and unethical should not have been the response from Carol. SC All Stars did not behave that way.

She's mad because if someone can come along and within a couple years start and build their own competitive club, it severely reduces the value of the club she is trying to sell. We have all heard the price tag in the millions, she couldn't get it a couple years ago and the price seem even more silly now. [lacrosse] if a 19 yr old kid can go out and start up a profitable clun instantly, who would bother to buy yjs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter plays for a rival club to both Y.J and T.G so I truly have no dog in this fight , Just an unbiassed opinion. I truly believe that shannon, unlike Carol, just wants girls to succeed in life and lacrosse, so I think shannon will not have a problem referring a girl, or allowing one of her coaches to refer a girl to a team within conference if that is where that girl truly wants to play, Carol on the other hand is a bitter old woman that harbors ill will for any one that dare defies her.If Shannon wants a particular player from any club, she can give the best offer she can, she does not need to deal with Carol Rose in any manner unless that player goes to North Port, and even with that, only on a limited basis. The only people that stand to get hurt are North Port players seeking an opportunity to play at Hofstra, and relies on Carol for help. As far as your ill informed statement about Carol doing so much for Shannon, I believe that Shannon's father took her and a group of girls all over the east coast to 7 v 7 fall ball events, and never used Carols over priced recruiting service, that coupled with being the best High school player for years is what got Shannon to N.U.. Carol had nothing to do with it and was mad at Bill for not ponying up the money for her help. If anything Shannon did Carol a favor by playing for her. I mean listen to you bitter Y.J's always saying how Shannon was A Yellow Jacket and how she betrayed you leader. Truth be told, If shannon would have played for Liberty, the only other all girls club at the time, and then went on to N.U. and accomplished the same achievements, Liberty would be the dominate club on Long Island, so Carol should thank Shannon instead of complaining about her.

The ill will between the two has nothing to do with the recruiting services- you are obviously misinformed. Since you state that you are not with either club maybe you should get correct info before you post. It had to do with how Top Gun started and that is all I will say. Get the correct info and you may understand. She did betray coach rose. Smith would have become the player she is no matter who she played for and everyone on yj knows this.

Not to perpetuate an argument but you challenged the previous poster to get their facts right and sorry but you are mis informed as well. TG didn't really actively recruit YJs at its inception. If anyone should be royally pissed its the SC All Stars whose entire teams made the switch. With that said even if they did recruit some kids I am sure that is not unethical or wrong for that matter. How is a club supposed to start? Do the current clubs own the rights to their members or are they free to join another if they choose? Being spiteful and downright nasty and unethical should not have been the response from Carol. SC All Stars did not behave that way.

She's mad because if someone can come along and within a couple years start and build their own competitive club, it severely reduces the value of the club she is trying to sell. We have all heard the price tag in the millions, she couldn't get it a couple years ago and the price seem even more silly now. [lacrosse] if a 19 yr old kid can go out and start up a profitable clun instantly, who would bother to buy yjs?

it's all about cash flow - 800 kids that spend an average of $2,000 is $1.6 mill per year in gross cash flow - that's why cr is bitter about being exposed

If as the story goes SS used her position inside the YJ organization to get helr hands on the YJ email lists and used them to help build her club it is not illegal in that I do not believe the coaches or directors sign contracts not to do so.It happens in the business world all the time. not sure of what the relationship between the two was prior to SS leaving but if they were close I would consider it a cheesey thing to do at best.You guys act like she should be made into a saint.calm down it is what it is,SS,CR, DG are all in this for the money,don't kid yourselves.

There are plenty of us dumb parents throwing cash around for all the club directors to cash in on. Why can't they all just get along?

If I am not mistaken YJ has grown leaps and bounds in the past 4 years even with the existence of TG. Don't really see TG cutting into anything YJ is doing. I heard YJ branching out into another part of the state too!! Hum I guess they are not so worried about all the speculation and drama you people make up.

As for the ill feelings can we just say SOUTHBAY. Maybe that will ring a bell for SS. Seems to me that's where all the drama begins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are plenty of us dumb parents throwing cash around for all the club directors to cash in on. Why can't they all just get along?

These directors are not even concerned with eachother. The only people concerned are you tools making up all this crap about them. They have all been doing this for a while and I have never scene any drama on the field between them. All there programs are doing well and all you people to is insight I'll feelings and rumors about all of them. It makes no sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If I am not mistaken YJ has grown leaps and bounds in the past 4 years even with the existence of TG. Don't really see TG cutting into anything YJ is doing. I heard YJ branching out into another part of the state too!! Hum I guess they are not so worried about all the speculation and drama you people make up.

As for the ill feelings can we just say SOUTHBAY. Maybe that will ring a bell for SS. Seems to me that's where all the drama begins.

Awesome. YJ is expanding and doing great. Then there is no need for YJ members to come on a TG thread defending CR. It is entertaining to read their posts in a car accident kinda way however.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If I am not mistaken YJ has grown leaps and bounds in the past 4 years even with the existence of TG. Don't really see TG cutting into anything YJ is doing. I heard YJ branching out into another part of the state too!! Hum I guess they are not so worried about all the speculation and drama you people make up.

As for the ill feelings can we just say SOUTHBAY. Maybe that will ring a bell for SS. Seems to me that's where all the drama begins.

Awesome. YJ is expanding and doing great. Then there is no need for YJ members to come on a TG thread defending CR. It is entertaining to read their posts in a car accident kinda way however.

Car accident kinda way ,almost seems like you must have seen your TG head coach at the girls semifinal games at Stony Brook, what an embarrassment, coulnt stoop watching him in a car accident sort of way.Great example for the little ones , so proud.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are plenty of us dumb parents throwing cash around for all the club directors to cash in on. Why can't they all just get along?

These directors are not even concerned with eachother. The only people concerned are you tools making up all this crap about them. They have all been doing this for a while and I have never scene any drama on the field between them. All there programs are doing well and all you people to is insight I'll feelings and rumors about all of them. It makes no sense.

Not concerned with one another. You have got to be kidding. Does the kool aid your drinking taste good? CR has made comments in public about SS that are appalling.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are plenty of us dumb parents throwing cash around for all the club directors to cash in on. Why can't they all just get along?

These directors are not even concerned with eachother. The only people concerned are you tools making up all this crap about them. They have all been doing this for a while and I have never scene any drama on the field between them. All there programs are doing well and all you people to is insight I'll feelings and rumors about all of them. It makes no sense.

Not concerned with one another. You have got to be kidding. Does the kool aid your drinking taste good? CR has made comments in public about SS that are appalling.

CR will be happy, word in my daughters school is the YJ's who were selected for 2017 black decided to stay. Guess we will have to wait until the $$ are deposited and roster is posted to know for sure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are plenty of us dumb parents throwing cash around for all the club directors to cash in on. Why can't they all just get along?

These directors are not even concerned with eachother. The only people concerned are you tools making up all this crap about them. They have all been doing this for a while and I have never scene any drama on the field between them. All there programs are doing well and all you people to is insight I'll feelings and rumors about all of them. It makes no sense.

You could not be more wrong, if we are all tools, that would make you a power tool. There have been many, many on field or at tournament scenes as well as nasty back channel crap going on, you have no idea what you are talking about. I can see the logic from both camps here, and could care less at this point, but to say they are not concerned about the other is way off.

With a third team added and more to come, SS now becomes $$

Curious- anyone know of any girls recruited to play college (any division) who DID NOT play club lacrosse over the last 5 years? Please no negative responses, thanks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If I am not mistaken YJ has grown leaps and bounds in the past 4 years even with the existence of TG. Don't really see TG cutting into anything YJ is doing. I heard YJ branching out into another part of the state too!! Hum I guess they are not so worried about all the speculation and drama you people make up.

As for the ill feelings can we just say SOUTHBAY. Maybe that will ring a bell for SS. Seems to me that's where all the drama begins.

Awesome. YJ is expanding and doing great. Then there is no need for YJ members to come on a TG thread defending CR. It is entertaining to read their posts in a car accident kinda way however.

75% of the girls playing YJ are going to be sadly dissappointed, the reality is that for the most part the B,C &D teams are there to subsidize the the chosen ones,plain and simple - there are no more cuts, if you can pay you can play

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious- anyone know of any girls recruited to play college (any division) who DID NOT play club lacrosse over the last 5 years? Please no negative responses, thanks.

Alyssa Leonard, Bay Shore, Northwestern, was a softball player through 10th grade and didn't play lacrosse until 11th, so never played club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If I am not mistaken YJ has grown leaps and bounds in the past 4 years even with the existence of TG. Don't really see TG cutting into anything YJ is doing. I heard YJ branching out into another part of the state too!! Hum I guess they are not so worried about all the speculation and drama you people make up.

As for the ill feelings can we just say SOUTHBAY. Maybe that will ring a bell for SS. Seems to me that's where all the drama begins.

Awesome. YJ is expanding and doing great. Then there is no need for YJ members to come on a TG thread defending CR. It is entertaining to read their posts in a car accident kinda way however.

75% of the girls playing YJ are going to be sadly dissappointed, the reality is that for the most part the B,C &D teams are there to subsidize the the chosen ones,plain and simple - there are no more cuts, if you can pay you can play

100 % of your clubs members will be disappointed having to deal with you ,let me guess you will not even mention what club you are affiliated with.Funny thing is I have spoken to many parents who have kids on the so called lower level teams and they were all happy, maybe because it gives them a place to play and get better.If it were up to you I guess these lesser skilled players should not even be playing travel, what a snob.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are plenty of us dumb parents throwing cash around for all the club directors to cash in on. Why can't they all just get along?

These directors are not even concerned with eachother. The only people concerned are you tools making up all this crap about them. They have all been doing this for a while and I have never scene any drama on the field between them. All there programs are doing well and all you people to is insight I'll feelings and rumors about all of them. It makes no sense.

You could not be more wrong, if we are all tools, that would make you a power tool. There have been many, many on field or at tournament scenes as well as nasty back channel crap going on, you have no idea what you are talking about. I can see the logic from both camps here, and could care less at this point, but to say they are not concerned about the other is way off.

Bet ya can't name one on field display between CR SS and DG. Let's gooooo mouth. I actually observed SS and CR speaking at U-15 and UA with no issues. The only drama is in your mind.

WOW a Yellow Jacket parent called s top guns parent a snob, Now thats funny

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If I am not mistaken YJ has grown leaps and bounds in the past 4 years even with the existence of TG. Don't really see TG cutting into anything YJ is doing. I heard YJ branching out into another part of the state too!! Hum I guess they are not so worried about all the speculation and drama you people make up.

As for the ill feelings can we just say SOUTHBAY. Maybe that will ring a bell for SS. Seems to me that's where all the drama begins.

Awesome. YJ is expanding and doing great. Then there is no need for YJ members to come on a TG thread defending CR. It is entertaining to read their posts in a car accident kinda way however.

75% of the girls playing YJ are going to be sadly dissappointed, the reality is that for the most part the B,C &D teams are there to subsidize the the chosen ones,plain and simple - there are no more cuts, if you can pay you can play

100 % of your clubs members will be disappointed having to deal with you ,let me guess you will not even mention what club you are affiliated with.Funny thing is I have spoken to many parents who have kids on the so called lower level teams and they were all happy, maybe because it gives them a place to play and get better.If it were up to you I guess these lesser skilled players should not even be playing travel, what a snob.

That's where your dead wrong looks like over 75% or more found a nice college to play for in all recruiting years for YJ. Lots of happy kids

YJ has not grown leaps and bounds. Funny that you have 2 blue teams and 2 gold teams but still somehow do not consider the second blue team as the gold team and the 2 gold teams as the original red and green team. CR just gave it different names so parents would pay to be on a gold team vs a C team and a D team. New colors does not mean YJ has grown leaps and bounds. Just parents willing to pay to be on a mediocre team. Truly nothing against the girls that play. Girls should be able to have a place to play, but don't let CR fool you into thinking it is nothing else than a red and green team. It's her way of making money.

Hope everyone remembered to send their checks in! They're due Monday!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hope everyone remembered to send their checks in! They're due Monday!

Practice and tournaments are supposed tba on September 10. I'll send my check when I know where they plan to play. How can you pay if you don't even know the tournaments you will attend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Practice and tournaments are supposed tba on September 10. I'll send my check when I know where they plan to play. How can you pay if you don't even know the tournaments you will attend?

Read the fine print : "In Club We Trust!"

BOTC agrees that now that we have helped to raise the bar on tryout fee disclosures, the community can go farther in disclosing the full year program details including the number of planned tournaments. Now, that said, some tournaments are cancelled from year to year, so you might not get precision in the tournament listing, but progress can be made here for sure.

Please note that this is NOT a Top Guns exclusive issue; just one that has come up in this thread's content.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hope everyone remembered to send their checks in! They're due Monday!

Practice and tournaments are supposed tba on September 10. I'll send my check when I know where they plan to play. How can you pay if you don't even know the tournaments you will attend?

Actually it says on the site that FALL tournament & FALL practice schedule would be announced on the 10th! Summer will be announced on January 1st!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hope everyone remembered to send their checks in! They're due Monday!

Let's see how long they wait before they realize checks are NOT coming..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hope everyone remembered to send their checks in! They're due Monday!

Practice and tournaments are supposed tba on September 10. I'll send my check when I know where they plan to play. How can you pay if you don't even know the tournaments you will attend?

September 10 has come and gone, no news on tournys. They won't post anything until deposits are made.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hope everyone remembered to send their checks in! They're due Monday!

Practice and tournaments are supposed tba on September 10. I'll send my check when I know where they plan to play. How can you pay if you don't even know the tournaments you will attend?

September 10 has come and gone, no news on tournys. They won't post anything until deposits are made.

Half of reading is comprehension. The Sept 10th date was fall tournaments. These are over and above, optional, nothing to do with fees, etc.... The Summer dates look to be released Jan 1st according to the website. Don't send your checks in, I know many girls looking for spots to open up or waiting for a spot to move up on teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hope everyone remembered to send their checks in! They're due Monday!

Let's see how long they wait before they realize checks are NOT coming..

We must have the same source, I heard all the players were not sending in checks this year, there will be no teams and the club is going to fold.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hope everyone remembered to send their checks in! They're due Monday!

Practice and tournaments are supposed tba on September 10. I'll send my check when I know where they plan to play. How can you pay if you don't even know the tournaments you will attend?

September 10 has come and gone, no news on tournys. They won't post anything until deposits are made.

Half of reading is comprehension. The Sept 10th date was fall tournaments. These are over and above, optional, nothing to do with fees, etc.... The Summer dates look to be released Jan 1st according to the website. Don't send your checks in, I know many girls looking for spots to open up or waiting for a spot to move up on teams.

You comprehend correctly. So, where are those listed?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hope everyone remembered to send their checks in! They're due Monday!

Let's see how long they wait before they realize checks are NOT coming..

Don't worry, you won't be missed!!!

When are rosters usually posted, don't say when all the money clears, just would like to see teammates and number of girls.

Would like my daughter to participate in the Hofstra 7 v 7 tourny, will coaches be setting up anything? Will we hear after deposits are made and team rosters are official?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would like my daughter to participate in the Hofstra 7 v 7 tourny, will coaches be setting up anything? Will we hear after deposits are made and team rosters are official?

Depends on who you are, I hear some of the teams are playing but you had to be one of the lucky ones to be hand selected by the parent coach who got the new rosters.Of course this is only speculation because my daughter was not in this elite selected group ,but this is what I have been told.

Fyi, in years past rosters come out mid fall or so. These fall tournaments have nothing to do with the organization. Small pockets and groups form their own teams and go. The summer rosters are 24 kids, way to big for the fall winter format. Don't wait around to be included, go do your own thing, get a group on your own and enter. The only team central activity the club does is set up indoor winter leaugue play which if you are new to the club, wait for an email. It is put together by the club but that's really the only involvement they have until spring practices.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would like my daughter to participate in the Hofstra 7 v 7 tourny, will coaches be setting up anything? Will we hear after deposits are made and team rosters are official?

Depends on who you are, I hear some of the teams are playing but you had to be one of the lucky ones to be hand selected by the parent coach who got the new rosters.Of course this is only speculation because my daughter was not in this elite selected group ,but this is what I have been told.

What about the girls who are on SS's team? The coaches are SS and someone in college...we did get the mass email but not an individual email to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fyi, in years past rosters come out mid fall or so. These fall tournaments have nothing to do with the organization. Small pockets and groups form their own teams and go. The summer rosters are 24 kids, way to big for the fall winter format. Don't wait around to be included, go do your own thing, get a group on your own and enter. The only team central activity the club does is set up indoor winter leaugue play which if you are new to the club, wait for an email. It is put together by the club but that's really the only involvement they have until spring practices.

While I understand that it seems in my daughters age group a parent has somehow gotten the roster for 2013 and called all the girls on it minus a few including my own.The players are being told it is a TG team thing which seems wrong to me, I have heard of things like this ripping teams apart.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fyi, in years past rosters come out mid fall or so. These fall tournaments have nothing to do with the organization. Small pockets and groups form their own teams and go. The summer rosters are 24 kids, way to big for the fall winter format. Don't wait around to be included, go do your own thing, get a group on your own and enter. The only team central activity the club does is set up indoor winter leaugue play which if you are new to the club, wait for an email. It is put together by the club but that's really the only involvement they have until spring practices.

While I understand that it seems in my daughters age group a parent has somehow gotten the roster for 2013 and called all the girls on it minus a few including my own.The players are being told it is a TG team thing which seems wrong to me, I have heard of things like this ripping teams apart.

Go back to yj site and look at how nasty it got when 75 percent of a team went down to a MD tourament with the rest uninvited. All the ugly was played out on this website (jy thread), and they weren't even playing under a yj name. It would be very, very wrong for any TG "parent put together" team to enter as a TG team without inviting everyone on the roster. This would cause many hurt feelings and very much divide a team. I would imagine the directors at TG would not allow a partial parent team to enter anything using the TG team name. What I have seen and done is teams or small groups from a travel team form, enter under a different name, usually play up in age group. This still causes many hurt feeling for the uninvited, but at least it has nothing to do with the club name, as it shouldn't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fyi, in years past rosters come out mid fall or so. These fall tournaments have nothing to do with the organization. Small pockets and groups form their own teams and go. The summer rosters are 24 kids, way to big for the fall winter format. Don't wait around to be included, go do your own thing, get a group on your own and enter. The only team central activity the club does is set up indoor winter leaugue play which if you are new to the club, wait for an email. It is put together by the club but that's really the only involvement they have until spring practices.

While I understand that it seems in my daughters age group a parent has somehow gotten the roster for 2013 and called all the girls on it minus a few including my own.The players are being told it is a TG team thing which seems wrong to me, I have heard of things like this ripping teams apart.

You guys are nuts and you filling this thread with some outrageous rumors. My daughter has been with TG since the beginning. Like any other business it progresses and develops over the years. I have nothing but good things to say about Bill and Shannon Smith. A lot of the garbage on this thread is people not knowing what they're talking about. Example 2013 group are no longer a team they are done with the program and will be off to college next year. Please cool the jets and lets all have fun and a good time in the 2012/13 season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fyi, in years past rosters come out mid fall or so. These fall tournaments have nothing to do with the organization. Small pockets and groups form their own teams and go. The summer rosters are 24 kids, way to big for the fall winter format. Don't wait around to be included, go do your own thing, get a group on your own and enter. The only team central activity the club does is set up indoor winter leaugue play which if you are new to the club, wait for an email. It is put together by the club but that's really the only involvement they have until spring practices.

While I understand that it seems in my daughters age group a parent has somehow gotten the roster for 2013 and called all the girls on it minus a few including my own.The players are being told it is a TG team thing which seems wrong to me, I have heard of things like this ripping teams apart.

You guys are nuts and you filling this thread with some outrageous rumors. My daughter has been with TG since the beginning. Like any other business it progresses and develops over the years. I have nothing but good things to say about Bill and Shannon Smith. A lot of the garbage on this thread is people not knowing what they're talking about. Example 2013 group are no longer a team they are done with the program and will be off to college next year. Please cool the jets and lets all have fun and a good time in the 2012/13 season.

No offense but maybe some of the nonsense happens because people misunderstand others, I took what they were saying as the roster for the 2013 season not 2013 graduation year team.Even so seems unlikely the brain trust would release the roster of a team to a parent without the rosters being posted yet. If true would be a big mistake on all parts ,the Smiths,the parent etc.No faster way to create hard feelings for you and your child ,have your kid be a ball hog or invite 2/3 of the team to special tournaments and practices leaving a few out.

A previous poster made a great point. Until checks are cashed rosters will not be released. Checks were due by today. With the holiday and weekend mail being slow, let's assume the evaluators/organizers give it until Friday to receive first payment. Will they email/call those who they did not receive checks from?? Or do they accept the fact that the YJ players who were selected as the chosen just went to the tryout to see Shannon Smith and get a feel of the competition? Since they waited 8 days after tryouts to send out emails to those who made the team anything is possible. And yes- there are quite a few suckups who were given rosters, not hard to figure out. They sit together at every game and critisize those outside of their group, and encourage their daughters to only pass to each other. My daughter is a black team player, the only thing we were told is we will have the same coach so I doubt anything will change. If the practice location were not so close by we would not return but the commute to other teams would not work out for us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fyi, in years past rosters come out mid fall or so. These fall tournaments have nothing to do with the organization. Small pockets and groups form their own teams and go. The summer rosters are 24 kids, way to big for the fall winter format. Don't wait around to be included, go do your own thing, get a group on your own and enter. The only team central activity the club does is set up indoor winter leaugue play which if you are new to the club, wait for an email. It is put together by the club but that's really the only involvement they have until spring practices.

While I understand that it seems in my daughters age group a parent has somehow gotten the roster for 2013 and called all the girls on it minus a few including my own.The players are being told it is a TG team thing which seems wrong to me, I have heard of things like this ripping teams apart.

Go back to yj site and look at how nasty it got when 75 percent of a team went down to a MD tourament with the rest uninvited. All the ugly was played out on this website (jy thread), and they weren't even playing under a yj name. It would be very, very wrong for any TG "parent put together" team to enter as a TG team without inviting everyone on the roster. This would cause many hurt feelings and very much divide a team. I would imagine the directors at TG would not allow a partial parent team to enter anything using the TG team name. What I have seen and done is teams or small groups from a travel team form, enter under a different name, usually play up in age group. This still causes many hurt feeling for the uninvited, but at least it has nothing to do with the club name, as it shouldn't.

While I aggree with what you have said, I know of a team of 10 girls playing at Hofstra on Saturday who will call them selves TopGuns the parent coach who organized it only called the people he wanted, He didnt have an advanced copy of the roster, but his daugther has all the phone numbers of girls from last years teams phone and they all texted each other regarding who made what. the kids all know whos on what team. The bottom line is if you want your kid playing in these fall 7 v 7 tourneys you need to be proactive and find a team or make your own. the TG coaches are not going to be reaching out to you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A previous poster made a great point. Until checks are cashed rosters will not be released. Checks were due by today. With the holiday and weekend mail being slow, let's assume the evaluators/organizers give it until Friday to receive first payment. Will they email/call those who they did not receive checks from?? Or do they accept the fact that the YJ players who were selected as the chosen just went to the tryout to see Shannon Smith and get a feel of the competition? Since they waited 8 days after tryouts to send out emails to those who made the team anything is possible. And yes- there are quite a few suckups who were given rosters, not hard to figure out. They sit together at every game and critisize those outside of their group, and encourage their daughters to only pass to each other. My daughter is a black team player, the only thing we were told is we will have the same coach so I doubt anything will change. If the practice location were not so close by we would not return but the commute to other teams would not work out for us.

I checked my copy of last years roster which I probably printed out the day it was posted and it is dated October 6 2011..doesnt mean anything but....

Special tournaments are just that. 7v7 4v4 9v9. How are you supposed to ask the hole team to play, with 20 to 25 kids on teams during summer, playing time is already an issue. Sure some parents will get their panties bunched but what els can be done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Special tournaments are just that. 7v7 4v4 9v9. How are you supposed to ask the hole team to play, with 20 to 25 kids on teams during summer, playing time is already an issue. Sure some parents will get their panties bunched but what els can be done.

That's exactly right, these tournament do not fit top gun team roster sizes. Do the right thing, invite whoever you want, don't call yourselves topguns, make up a name. Still time, call tournament director and change name. With SS basically running the hofstra tournament I have a very hard time believing she would allow any parent put together team to call themselves topguns, she may not be able to control what teams call themselves at other tournaments, but this tournament she should be able to stop this from happening.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Special tournaments are just that. 7v7 4v4 9v9. How are you supposed to ask the hole team to play, with 20 to 25 kids on teams during summer, playing time is already an issue. Sure some parents will get their panties bunched but what els can be done.

Seriously not that difficult, ask the whole team then divide into what ever size team and number of teams is appropriate.Have seen it many times and only ends up dividing a team when all are not asked. Usually organized by some parent who thinks their kid is better then they are and is above playing with the kids they consider inferior players.I have no problem with a parent coach who asks a few kids from their travel team to play in a tournament especially when combined with kids not on the travel team ie supplementing their town team with friends from travel etc..

2019 Black is fielding a team for this weekend. They also played at Dowling this Sunday.

And who is supposed to coach all of these teams with your plan?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Special tournaments are just that. 7v7 4v4 9v9. How are you supposed to ask the hole team to play, with 20 to 25 kids on teams during summer, playing time is already an issue. Sure some parents will get their panties bunched but what els can be done.

Seriously not that difficult, ask the whole team then divide into what ever size team and number of teams is appropriate.Have seen it many times and only ends up dividing a team when all are not asked. Usually organized by some parent who thinks their kid is better then they are and is above playing with the kids they consider inferior players.I have no problem with a parent coach who asks a few kids from their travel team to play in a tournament especially when combined with kids not on the travel team ie supplementing their town team with friends from travel etc..

What you said really doesn't make sense. A parent organizes a team to play in a 7v7 tournament, invites kids from their daughter's TG team. Probably the same parent that always steps-up and likely now dealing with putting down deposits, collecting money..... Somehow you think they should then have an obligation to organize for all the girls on the team who want to participate too...... Doesn't it make more sense for a second parent to step-up and arrange for a second team, one who atually will have a kid playing on the team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Special tournaments are just that. 7v7 4v4 9v9. How are you supposed to ask the hole team to play, with 20 to 25 kids on teams during summer, playing time is already an issue. Sure some parents will get their panties bunched but what els can be done.

That's exactly right, these tournament do not fit top gun team roster sizes. Do the right thing, invite whoever you want, don't call yourselves topguns, make up a name. Still time, call tournament director and change name. With SS basically running the hofstra tournament I have a very hard time believing she would allow any parent put together team to call themselves topguns, she may not be able to control what teams call themselves at other tournaments, but this tournament she should be able to stop this from

In the end the parent that invites some or most of a team but not all will alienate the kids and parents he does not ask.You are asking for problems and the suck it up and put your own team in attitude only creates hard feelings.For all the infighting I hear happens on that other team seems we keep following in their footsteps.Not a good thing to do no matter what you call the team although I would suggest you call the team
TCO the chosen ones

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 Black is fielding a team for this weekend. They also played at Dowling this Sunday.

They were not at Dowling so you are probably wrong about this weekend also.

2018 is also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fyi, in years past rosters come out mid fall or so. These fall tournaments have nothing to do with the organization. Small pockets and groups form their own teams and go. The summer rosters are 24 kids, way to big for the fall winter format. Don't wait around to be included, go do your own thing, get a group on your own and enter. The only team central activity the club does is set up indoor winter leaugue play which if you are new to the club, wait for an email. It is put together by the club but that's really the only involvement they have until spring practices.

While I understand that it seems in my daughters age group a parent has somehow gotten the roster for 2013 and called all the girls on it minus a few including my own.The players are being told it is a TG team thing which seems wrong to me, I have heard of things like this ripping teams apart.

Go back to yj site and look at how nasty it got when 75 percent of a team went down to a MD tourament with the rest uninvited. All the ugly was played out on this website (jy thread), and they weren't even playing under a yj name. It would be very, very wrong for any TG "parent put together" team to enter as a TG team without inviting everyone on the roster. This would cause many hurt feelings and very much divide a team. I would imagine the directors at TG would not allow a partial parent team to enter anything using the TG team name. What I have seen and done is teams or small groups from a travel team form, enter under a different name, usually play up in age group. This still causes many hurt feeling for the uninvited, but at least it has nothing to do with the club name, as it shouldn't.

While I aggree with what you have said, I know of a team of 10 girls playing at Hofstra on Saturday who will call them selves TopGuns the parent coach who organized it only called the people he wanted, He didnt have an advanced copy of the roster, but his daugther has all the phone numbers of girls from last years teams phone and they all texted each other regarding who made what. the kids all know whos on what team. The bottom line is if you want your kid playing in these fall 7 v 7 tourneys you need to be proactive and find a team or make your own. the TG coaches are not going to be reaching out to you

What age group and who is the parent coach. Say if you know. If not perhaps you shouldnt say anything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And who is supposed to coach all of these teams with your plan?

Let's say you actually included everyone for this weekend ,with soccer etc. You probably would have gotten at most 16-18 kids ,so 2 teams.I would guarantee you could find at least 2 parent coaches who are willing and able.I would also guess you could ask SS and she could have provided one ie. a Hofstra player. Really not difficult at all.Believe it or not my kid is not one of the left out kids but I would be willing to bet if your kid did not get included you would have some hard feelings.Defend it all you want it is not the right thing to do to your fellow teammates and if you think your kid was selected because the parent / coach/ organizer thinks they are a top player you are probably mistaken. If the parent organizing the group did actually get the 2012-2013 roster already that would be another problem, all around sounds like a bad start to the new teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 Black is fielding a team for this weekend. They also played at Dowling this Sunday.

The top gun 2019 team did not play at Dowling last Sunday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Special tournaments are just that. 7v7 4v4 9v9. How are you supposed to ask the hole team to play, with 20 to 25 kids on teams during summer, playing time is already an issue. Sure some parents will get their panties bunched but what els can be done.

Seriously not that difficult, ask the whole team then divide into what ever size team and number of teams is appropriate.Have seen it many times and only ends up dividing a team when all are not asked. Usually organized by some parent who thinks their kid is better then they are and is above playing with the kids they consider inferior players.I have no problem with a parent coach who asks a few kids from their travel team to play in a tournament especially when combined with kids not on the travel team ie supplementing their town team with friends from travel etc..

Seriously, a parent putting together a team should not have to ask the entire team if he/she doesn't want to. This is not a TG thing. If a parent chooses to put together a team good for them and they can ask whomever they want to. Stop all the freaking boo-hooing because your kid didn't get a call - my kid didn't either. However I also didn't go out and try to put together a team, therefore I'm not complaining. People need to grow up!

What is the answer here? Is there an off season?

Is there enough to make two teams and the organization steps in and says this is how you should do it.

What happens to the girls that want to play with their friends (some YJ some TG some BB some LBTY) and only needs a few more girls so they reach out to a few friends they made on the club team. It is a tough spot for all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Special tournaments are just that. 7v7 4v4 9v9. How are you supposed to ask the hole team to play, with 20 to 25 kids on teams during summer, playing time is already an issue. Sure some parents will get their panties bunched but what els can be done.

Seriously not that difficult, ask the whole team then divide into what ever size team and number of teams is appropriate.Have seen it many times and only ends up dividing a team when all are not asked. Usually organized by some parent who thinks their kid is better then they are and is above playing with the kids they consider inferior players.I have no problem with a parent coach who asks a few kids from their travel team to play in a tournament especially when combined with kids not on the travel team ie supplementing their town team with friends from travel etc..

What you said really doesn't make sense. A parent organizes a team to play in a 7v7 tournament, invites kids from their daughter's TG team. Probably the same parent that always steps-up and likely now dealing with putting down deposits, collecting money..... Somehow you think they should then have an obligation to organize for all the girls on the team who want to participate too...... Doesn't it make more sense for a second parent to step-up and arrange for a second team, one who atually will have a kid playing on the team?

No actually is does not make more sense because then you are competing against each other for the same players so it makes more sense to work together as if they play for the same team.Sounds like your kid got invited and now you think your something special, you seem to know way to much.Let me guess your select little group was going to call yourselves TG black and now you won't be able to ,I hope you and your new best friend have fun this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And who is supposed to coach all of these teams with your plan?

They should have a plan. Hurts when college kids are away now and SS is concerned about her college team. What is the plan for the Fall for these kids.

For the past 2 years this tournament was aweful. All YJ teams beating the heck out of town teams, and the refs were YJ summer coaches. Save your money and enjoy a family weekend.

Originally Posted by Bridge the Gap

What is the answer here? Is there an off season?

Is there enough to make two teams and the organization steps in and says this is how you should do it.

What happens to the girls that want to play with their friends (some YJ some TG some BB some LBTY) and only needs a few more girls so they reach out to a few friends they made on the club team. It is a tough spot for all.

That is a different situation in my opinion, not an exclusively TG team and certainly not calling themselves TG

You are right, a parent can put together a team of whomever they choose. The one thing you forgot is that this will be terrible for team dynamics. I have seen it happen before. Some kids get calls to play and some kids do not. Some parents are fine with it and some{most} are not. Feelings get hurt and the team starts to break down. You can tell those parents to grow up, but you know they won't. For you to take that view is foolish. Good luck to you and your child who did not get a call. Oh, and by the way, since you don't mind your daughter being left out plan on her being left out a lot more. often.

let me get this correct. there is a tg team. only some girls from this team were invited to play in a tournament, while others were not. oh boy. i would be pissed if my daughter was not invited. if she was invited and i knew some girls were not invited, there is no way she would be playing in that tournament. not cool. you could actually have some girls in the same class at school who are on the same team, but maybe only one got the "special" invite to play. oh yeah, that sounds like a great idea.

The reason for these tournaments are fundraisers for the colleges. You put girls together, put the stick in their hands
and let them have some fun. Scores, who you play, who you beat mean absolutely nothing. Let them be kids.

HOW ARE THEY PICKED? BEST KIDS OR FRIENDS OF THE COACH? IF BEST KIDS.. WHO DECIDES BEST KIDS? IF FRIENDS OF PARENT/COACH DO I NEED TO SUCK UP TO COACH TO GET MY DAUGHTER INVITED?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For the past 2 years this tournament was aweful. All YJ teams beating the heck out of town teams, and the refs were YJ summer coaches. Save your money and enjoy a family weekend.

Your correct Hofstra tourney is terrible YJ does not even have on schedule anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

let me get this correct. there is a tg team. only some girls from this team were invited to play in a tournament, while others were not. oh boy. i would be pissed if my daughter was not invited. if she was invited and i knew some girls were not invited, there is no way she would be playing in that tournament. not cool. you could actually have some girls in the same class at school who are on the same team, but maybe only one got the "special" invite to play. oh yeah, that sounds like a great idea.

You're not correct. Not a TG event, not a TG team. Group of girls who play for TG, get organized and play in a 7v7 tourney...that's it...pretty simple.

They played as MC19, but brought 2 town kids with them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They played as MC19, but brought 2 town kids with them.

Kids live in middle country district but play for different clubs. Isn't that nice they all get along and play for 2 rival clubs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

let me get this correct. there is a tg team. only some girls from this team were invited to play in a tournament, while others were not. oh boy. i would be pissed if my daughter was not invited. if she was invited and i knew some girls were not invited, there is no way she would be playing in that tournament. not cool. you could actually have some girls in the same class at school who are on the same team, but maybe only one got the "special" invite to play. oh yeah, that sounds like a great idea.

You're not correct. Not a TG event, not a TG team. Group of girls who play for TG, get organized and play in a 7v7 tourney...that's it...pretty simple.

I agree, tell the kids and their parents who were not picked to stop whining ,practice harder and maybe if your skills improve he will ask you to play next tournament.Every team is always going to have some kids that are more skilled ,these kids should be given the opportunity to improve and play with other kids of equal ability.Yes everyone thinks their own kid is one of the better players and when that kid does not get picked it can be an eye opener.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They played as MC19, but brought 2 town kids with them.

Seriously why do you keep stating falsehoods.Try to at least get some facts correct.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

let me get this correct. there is a tg team. only some girls from this team were invited to play in a tournament, while others were not. oh boy. i would be pissed if my daughter was not invited. if she was invited and i knew some girls were not invited, there is no way she would be playing in that tournament. not cool. you could actually have some girls in the same class at school who are on the same team, but maybe only one got the "special" invite to play. oh yeah, that sounds like a great idea.

You're not correct. Not a TG event, not a TG team. Group of girls who play for TG, get organized and play in a 7v7 tourney...that's it...pretty simple.

Agree. People are making this all about drama when there isn't any. It's not a TG event, it's a Hofstra event. ANYONE can put together a team and play. If a parent or player is upset they weren't asked, then put together your own team and go have your own fun.

Furthermore I see nothing wrong with a parent who is coaching, along with his daughter, choose whom to ask to join them whether it's based on skill or friendship or both. Even in kindergarten you don't have to ask the whole class to your birthday party, you invite whom you want to invite and I don't see what's wrong with that. There's not one of us here who hasn't been left out of something at one time or another. It stings, we get over it and move on. That's life and we all have to learn to roll with the punches.

Most of you seem to be missing the point.
Put a team together, invite whoever you want or whoever your daughter wants, who cares why they were chosen or where they came from. Make up some name, get matching shirts and pinneys and go enter tournaments. This is done all the time, some feelings get hurt, but that's life. The issue here is different, if your going to draw players from TG exclusivly, that's fine too. But don't call yourself a TG team and wear the TG uniform unless you invited every member on team. Don't use the rosters not out yet as an excuse, if you can't invite every last girl then its not a TG team and should not be entered as one or dressed like one. You can come on here and try to justify whatever your doing, whatever helps you get to sleep at night, but this concept should be pretty easy to understand for anyone with any moral values.

Are you saying that the other kids on the 2019 black team need to work harder so they can get an invite to play during the fall with a selected few?

You need to suck up to the coach/parent.

Are those the guys that always fight with the refs and other coaches? The should play in the Pilgrim State tourney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most of you seem to be missing the point.
Put a team together, invite whoever you want or whoever your daughter wants, who cares why they were chosen or where they came from. Make up some name, get matching shirts and pinneys and go enter tournaments. This is done all the time, some feelings get hurt, but that's life. The issue here is different, if your going to draw players from TG exclusivly, that's fine too. But don't call yourself a TG team and wear the TG uniform unless you invited every member on team. Don't use the rosters not out yet as an excuse, if you can't invite every last girl then its not a TG team and should not be entered as one or dressed like one. You can come on here and try to justify whatever your doing, whatever helps you get to sleep at night, but this concept should be pretty easy to understand for anyone with any moral values.

Maybe Top Guns said it was ok and gave permission to wear uniforms - how do you know?? If they did then there is nothing wrong with it.

Agreed, if you want to represent Top Guns then the team should be comprised of these players and coached by a Top Gun representative, you can not have the best of both worlds, this coach shoud represent his team as their coach with "HIS" players! He shouldn't pick and choose in order to have a better chance at winning, because it seems like to this coach, winning is all that matters. The lax community is huge, but in retrospect it is rather small, because everyone knows everyone. This is what "brings home" resentment!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Bridge the Gap

What is the answer here? Is there an off season?

Is there enough to make two teams and the organization steps in and says this is how you should do it.

What happens to the girls that want to play with their friends (some YJ some TG some BB some LBTY) and only needs a few more girls so they reach out to a few friends they made on the club team. It is a tough spot for all.

That is a different situation in my opinion, not an exclusively TG team and certainly not calling themselves TG

Okay, then you are addressing that it isnt the second part where the only way it may work (without anyone getting hurt or upset) is when a parent grabs their child's friends to play from multiple teams (as long as a majority of a particular team is not included). IMHO unrealistic.

Imagine those posts, is so and so trying to make a new team??? is so and so not happy??? NO they just want their child to play with their friends or different girls they've met along the way.

But what happens when someone grabs a majority from any existing team, to play (be it travel or town) should they let it be known to the entire team what they're doing. (or just understand you slighted and perhaps divided your team and parents... which they probably knew already, since noone was born yesterday)

Get real, those that split up teams without notifications dont care about anyone, they are piking who they feel comfortable with at the time - if you werent picked get over it. (but dont forget it... they are still so young and there will be plenty of more times this will happen.... to them and you).

BUT understand those coaches that notify a team as a whole that the team has been split for a particular game due to roster limits has a heart and probably lost sleep over it. Be thankful they notified you, but dont press them, their reasoning probably doesn't fit your impressions.

Just understand no matter how it is spun (whether it happens to you or someone you know) someone will always be hurt.

People have to make their own decisions ,if the parent feels what he is doing is okay and good for the team then so be it.If the parents of the special select few are good with it and do not feel as if they are leaving kids out then that is okay for them.To the kids who were not picked to play on this special team I would say remember how it feels and keep that in mind when you are picked but others are left out.To the parents who were picked, when your kid is left out remember you had no problem with it when they were included.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

let me get this correct. there is a tg team. only some girls from this team were invited to play in a tournament, while others were not. oh boy. i would be pissed if my daughter was not invited. if she was invited and i knew some girls were not invited, there is no way she would be playing in that tournament. not cool. you could actually have some girls in the same class at school who are on the same team, but maybe only one got the "special" invite to play. oh yeah, that sounds like a great idea.

You're not correct. Not a TG event, not a TG team. Group of girls who play for TG, get organized and play in a 7v7 tourney...that's it...pretty simple.

Agree. People are making this all about drama when there isn't any. It's not a TG event, it's a Hofstra event. ANYONE can put together a team and play. If a parent or player is upset they weren't asked, then put together your own team and go have your own fun.

Furthermore I see nothing wrong with a parent who is coaching, along with his daughter, choose whom to ask to join them whether it's based on skill or friendship or both. Even in kindergarten you don't have to ask the whole class to your birthday party, you invite whom you want to invite and I don't see what's wrong with that. There's not one of us here who hasn't been left out of something at one time or another. It stings, we get over it and move on. That's life and we all have to learn to roll with the punches.

Really, I know in my district if you do not invite the entire class you cannot distribute the invites at school. Why? Because it is the right thing to do, it is the moral thing to do.

Sure anyone can make up any team with any player, Just know you may be tearing up a something before it starts.

Yes it is life and it stinks, but why cant we as adults come up with a better way. Isnt that our job as parents!

Absolutely! well said. HS teams do it as well...wear school colors and everything! Roster 10 kids, are we supposed to poll all 1000 HS kids or coach's daughter and her friends???

Powder, what Fall Tournys are TG doing this year??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People have to make their own decisions ,if the parent feels what he is doing is okay and good for the team then so be it.If the parents of the special select few are good with it and do not feel as if they are leaving kids out then that is okay for them.To the kids who were not picked to play on this special team I would say remember how it feels and keep that in mind when you are picked but others are left out.To the parents who were picked, when your kid is left out remember you had no problem with it when they were included.

You said it!

So the guy from MC stacks a team with kids from TG 2019 Black and throws in 2 from his town team so he can say that it's not a true TG team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the guy from MC stacks a team with kids from TG 2019 Black and throws in 2 from his town team so he can say that it's not a true TG team?

If that's what he did, he took a page out of the YJ book

The MC coach, if playing in a tournament as MC19, should use his MC girls as this is what he is representing, if he is entering a tournament as TG black then he should let a TG coach represent a TG team, two different entities......lets be fair, it is not a town team anymore when you are taking girls from all over to represent MC.......creates alot of animosity and it is not the right thing to do

I think evryone who trys out for Topguns should make the black team ( we wouldn"t wnat to hurt anyones feelings), everyone should get a trophy and an Ice cream too!
The older these girls get the more cut throat its gonna get (just like real life)

Please stop the whining already. I believe the MC 2019 group is comprised of many kids that happen to play Top Gun. Does that mean they can not play outside of Top Guns as a town team and invite a few other travel players? The team was far from being "stacked". I believe only half of the MC squad that day was from Top Guns. I'm sure the MC group enjoyed a fun day of lacrosse - good for them!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please stop the whining already. I believe the MC 2019 group is comprised of many kids that happen to play Top Gun. Does that mean they can not play outside of Top Guns as a town team and invite a few other travel players? The team was far from being "stacked". I believe only half of the MC squad that day was from Top Guns. I'm sure the MC group enjoyed a fun day of lacrosse - good for them!

You people are all mental,the MC 19 team had kids from YJ TG and town team, so what.They were in no way stacked ,matter of fact they were a descent 2019 team but would not have been competitive with TG black or YJ blue, so calm down.Who cares what they call themselves ,maybe they are in to rap music and the mc did not even stand for middle country.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think evryone who trys out for Topguns should make the black team ( we wouldn"t wnat to hurt anyones feelings), everyone should get a trophy and an Ice cream too!
The older these girls get the more cut throat its gonna get (just like real life)

Wow that sounds like a ringing endorsement of the program.What happened to the we are nothing like YJ sounds Koreans more like YJ every day.

They are not a town team then, and shouldn't represent Middle Country, use a different name.......and then you can take girls from 10 different towns

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the guy from MC stacks a team with kids from TG 2019 Black and throws in 2 from his town team so he can say that it's not a true TG team?

If that's what he did, he took a page out of the YJ book

And he even had a few YJ players on the team too!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please stop the whining already. I believe the MC 2019 group is comprised of many kids that happen to play Top Gun. Does that mean they can not play outside of Top Guns as a town team and invite a few other travel players? The team was far from being "stacked". I believe only half of the MC squad that day was from Top Guns. I'm sure the MC group enjoyed a fun day of lacrosse - good for them!

Yes, tha tis exactly what iut means they ant play outside of TG as a town team - are the majority from one town (veered off here). Call the team what you want but dont call it a town team.

Listen what are we saying here.

Is it right to pull players - im not sure, but understand if you pull a majority of players from a team and leave some behind, you may cause a rift.

But also understand if a certain % of a team is not from a town, dont register it as a town team either. (same goes if you dont have a % of the travel team dont call it the travel team name).

But anyone doing this (the right or wrong way) will only be looked upon favorably by those invited and scourned by those left out. (and dotn forget about those who flip flop depending on their invitiation status).

That too is life.

So here is the problem, my daughter was asked and is playing with a partial group made of a TG team. As I understand they will be wearing the TG uniform and I guess calling themselves TG. I don't know if the entire team was asked to participate, but it is only about half the roster going. Maybe the other half were asked and had other commitments???? Not knowing how team was asked and not really wanting to know, I still feel bad if anyone was left out. With this issue exploding here on BOTC, and since these tournaments are really not offical TG set up events, I would rather have the team entered as something other than TG and not wear the uniform. Then to make matters worse, after committing the town coach brings up thoughts of entering tournament. Can't win situation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please stop the whining already. I believe the MC 2019 group is comprised of many kids that happen to play Top Gun. Does that mean they can not play outside of Top Guns as a town team and invite a few other travel players? The team was far from being "stacked". I believe only half of the MC squad that day was from Top Guns. I'm sure the MC group enjoyed a fun day of lacrosse - good for them!

Yes, tha tis exactly what iut means they ant play outside of TG as a town team - are the majority from one town (veered off here). Call the team what you want but dont call it a town team.

But everyone or at least 90% of players are from mc. I don't see the. Problem.

That is an honest post. The parent/coach who put this together and asked the kids to wear their TG uniform is an idiot. That is a huge mistake. Understand, he went over the top. He picked who he liked from the roster and after all, who is he. He should be ashamed. This parent is tearing apart a team not even known yet. I bet his daughter is playing and he is trying to create an environment for her to succeed and shine in front of TG.

This is getting old and is one of those WGAS subjects.

The poor guy tried to do a good thing for his kids and is getting his butt kicked. Let's move on and discuss something a little bit more productive.

Can anyone who has played in the Hofstra tournament tell me what it was like last year and what to expect? Previous posters have said it was terrible, is that true?

A true town team is just that, it is a team comprised of girls that have played for their town for years together.

This is getting old and is one of those WGAS subjects.

The poor guy tried to do a good thing for his kids and is getting his butt kicked. Let's move on and discuss something a little bit more productive.

Can anyone who has played in the Hofstra tournament tell me what it was like last year and what to expect? Previous posters have said it was terrible, is that true?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please stop the whining already. I believe the MC 2019 group is comprised of many kids that happen to play Top Gun. Does that mean they can not play outside of Top Guns as a town team and invite a few other travel players? The team was far from being "stacked". I believe only half of the MC squad that day was from Top Guns. I'm sure the MC group enjoyed a fun day of lacrosse - good for them!

Yes, tha tis exactly what iut means they ant play outside of TG as a town team - are the majority from one town (veered off here). Call the team what you want but dont call it a town team.

But everyone or at least 90% of players are from mc. I don't see the. Problem.

Whats mc?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please stop the whining already. I believe the MC 2019 group is comprised of many kids that happen to play Top Gun. Does that mean they can not play outside of Top Guns as a town team and invite a few other travel players? The team was far from being "stacked". I believe only half of the MC squad that day was from Top Guns. I'm sure the MC group enjoyed a fun day of lacrosse - good for them!

Yes, tha tis exactly what iut means they ant play outside of TG as a town team - are the majority from one town (veered off here). Call the team what you want but dont call it a town team.

But everyone or at least 90% of players are from mc. I don't see the. Problem.

Your post shows the problem,either you do not know the facts or are embarrassed by the facts.Not even close to 90 % were from MC.Then again not sure why anyone cares they barely even played teams their age mostly playing younger yj teams and probably gave the yj teams their most competitive games all for a good cause.

If they didn't wear TG or MC colors, then it's no problem. The guy put together a fall team, whats the big deal. Maybe should have uesd a different name, but this wasn't PAL or SCGL sanctioned, so who gives a F@#K. Give it a rest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is getting old and is one of those WGAS subjects.

The poor guy tried to do a good thing for his kids and is getting his butt kicked. Let's move on and discuss something a little bit more productive.

Can anyone who has played in the Hofstra tournament tell me what it was like last year and what to expect? Previous posters have said it was terrible, is that true?

Yeah poor guy, except should have been for his kid not kids and definately not for his kids team.

Just to make sure everyone gets the story straight; this was a Middle Country town team that invited three friends to play with us. We had 15 girls on the squad, of which only three were not Middle Country girls. The MC team had YJ and TG players because five Top Gun players and three Yellow Jacket players are from Middle Country and play for the MC town team. For this past tournament they also included five girls from Middle Country team who don't play Club ball yet. It was in no way a TG squad that cherry picked players from TG, "stacked a team," and then went under the auspice of a town team. It is a town team that got asked by a friend to play in a charity tournament. We never thought it would cause such a stir to invite a couple of friends to play with us and we certainly didn�t think for a second anyone would care in the least what we called the team.

Middle country

Bill's email about the Hofstra tournaments clearly said "Let me know if you have any questions." Have any of you asked him about all this stuff you're talking about on here?

This is getting VERY old....Seriously who cares !!!! Its not even a tournament. If you want to be involved get up off your couch...get some girls together and enter a team !!!! Play with your daughters friends and have some fun !!!! and stop thinking that someone else should be taking care of YOUR daughters !!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is getting old and is one of those WGAS subjects.

The poor guy tried to do a good thing for his kids and is getting his butt kicked. Let's move on and discuss something a little bit more productive.

Can anyone who has played in the Hofstra tournament tell me what it was like last year and what to expect? Previous posters have said it was terrible, is that true?

If that is what you want to think. "did a nice thing".

The road to [lacrosse] is paved with good intentions.

What is WGAS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is WGAS.

Who Gives A [lacrosse]. Which is how I feel about this whole tempest in a teapot.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is WGAS.

Who Gives A [lacrosse]. Which is how I feel about this whole tempest in a teapot.

Exactly....enough's enough already on this topic!!!

Can we PLEASE find a new topic to argue about - this one is getting old and boring!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we PLEASE find a new topic to argue about - this one is getting old and boring!!!

Smith family please post the rosters we want to see our teammates.

BOTC does anyone have the girls youth lax tourney schedule for this Saturday at Hofstra? if so can you post it. Thanx

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BOTC does anyone have the girls youth lax tourney schedule for this Saturday at Hofstra? if so can you post it. Thanx

Would love to help but despite numerous BOTC visits to Hofstra's Athletic Facilities, there seems to be an inability or unwillingness to share this information on a regular basis. BOTC is hoping that with Shannon replacing Abby, we might be able to open some new doors here.

I see TG 2020 has put a team in ,good for them ,a brand new team already building team chemistry before the rosters even come out.Smart move by SS building great team chemistry.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see TG 2020 has put a team in ,good for them ,a brand new team already building team chemistry before the rosters even come out.Smart move by SS building great team chemistry.

There are 2014, 2015, 2016 and a 2016/17 mix playing for TG Sunday. No differentiation between Black or Purple. Relax and enjoy the kids playing lax...

2017 has a team also-very low turnout of teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 has a team also-very low turnout of teams

Where can we find info on teams that are playing and schedules?

Green Hornet says checks have not all been received/cashed. Could it be because the selected YJ girls who made the cut will not be playing for TG?? Sometimes the walls of a school building and whispers to bffs speak volumes. Rosters have not been sent out as a result, and shifts will be made next week along with emails ..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 has a team also-very low turnout of teams

Where can we find info on teams that are playing and schedules?

Just call Bill Smith, his number is on the TG website

The 2017 team is going by a different nab7me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2017 team is going by a different nab7me.

No they're not, you obviously don't have the schedule.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2017 team is going by a different nab7me.

No they're not, you obviously don't have the schedule.

You're right. We have it, and it's Top Guns 2017.

no i have the schedule the 2017 black team is playing under holy house

The top guns 2016/2017 is one team theres another team which is 2017 black playing with the name holy housr.

i Have the Schedule!

theres 2 teams 2016/2017 and theres a 2017 black team called holy house whos playing sunday in the jv catergory.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2017 team is going by a different nab7me.

No they're not, you obviously don't have the schedule.

You're right. We have it, and it's Top Guns 2017.

I wonder if they invited all the kids to play

No its not !

So true...as a yj parent considering the change to tg because of all of the drama...after reading this thread it makes me wonder if we r not all the same!

Tournament schedule September 10? Waiting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So true...as a yj parent considering the change to tg because of all of the drama...after reading this thread it makes me wonder if we r not all the same!

Please don't believe everything you read on here! TG is a very nice club to play for!

Here we sit broken hearted, paid our initiation fee and won't be started.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

theres 2 teams 2016/2017 and theres a 2017 black team called holy house whos playing sunday in the jv catergory.

lol@holy house- must be the chosen ones..cant wait to see all that chemistry/egos

Great day at Hofstra today! First day with Top Guns, and it was awesome. Shannon, Bill, coach, and the parents were very welcoming. Girls played great, tons of passing!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great day at Hofstra today! First day with Top Guns, and it was awesome. Shannon, Bill, coach, and the parents were very welcoming. Girls played great, tons of passing!

What age group does your daughter play

Been to tons of summer tournaments, fall tournaments, winter indoor leauges, sscgl spring leauges etc....... this tournament was simply awesome. Tons of games, tons of playing time, great competiotion, just an all around great day. One word of caution though, put together, quasi travel and very strong town teams should only consider this. Your average town team will not fair well. Competition across the board far better than all the long travel to out of town, summer money making extraviganza tournaments. Seriously these girls are better off sttaying right here on the island and playing each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great day at Hofstra today! First day with Top Guns, and it was awesome. Shannon, Bill, coach, and the parents were very welcoming. Girls played great, tons of passing!

Hats off, my daughters team played you guys in the second game and your team was great. Did not see one other team set up plays from behind the cage, defense was solid and the passing precise. Well done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great day at Hofstra today! First day with Top Guns, and it was awesome. Shannon, Bill, coach, and the parents were very welcoming. Girls played great, tons of passing!

Hats off, my daughters team played you guys in the second game and your team was great. Did not see one other team set up plays from behind the cage, defense was solid and the passing precise. Well done.

How do you know what team it is?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great day at Hofstra today! First day with Top Guns, and it was awesome. Shannon, Bill, coach, and the parents were very welcoming. Girls played great, tons of passing!

Hats off, my daughters team played you guys in the second game and your team was great. Did not see one other team set up plays from behind the cage, defense was solid and the passing precise. Well done.

How do you know what team it is?

I was just thinking the same thing!! The propaganda machine starts again! Where everything at Top Guns is sunshine and butterflies!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great day at Hofstra today! First day with Top Guns, and it was awesome. Shannon, Bill, coach, and the parents were very welcoming. Girls played great, tons of passing!

What age group does your daughter play

2017

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great day at Hofstra today! First day with Top Guns, and it was awesome. Shannon, Bill, coach, and the parents were very welcoming. Girls played great, tons of passing!

Hats off, my daughters team played you guys in the second game and your team was great. Did not see one other team set up plays from behind the cage, defense was solid and the passing precise. Well done.

How do you know what team it is?

I was just thinking the same thing!! The propaganda machine starts again! Where everything at Top Guns is sunshine and butterflies!!

The Top Guns Pinnies were the biggest hint at what the name of the team was. White haired coach was a pleasant fellow, props to him also. To the negative posters, enough!! They ran a great team yesterday. If your daughter wasn't on it-go practice with her..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great day at Hofstra today! First day with Top Guns, and it was awesome. Shannon, Bill, coach, and the parents were very welcoming. Girls played great, tons of passing!

Hats off, my daughters team played you guys in the second game and your team was great. Did not see one other team set up plays from behind the cage, defense was solid and the passing precise. Well done.

How do you know what team it is?

I was just thinking the same thing!! The propaganda machine starts again! Where everything at Top Guns is sunshine and butterflies!!

The Top Guns Pinnies were the biggest hint at what the name of the team was. White haired coach was a pleasant fellow, props to him also. To the negative posters, enough!! They ran a great team yesterday. If your daughter wasn't on it-go practice with her..

So funny that you respond to your own post and got caught, the pinnies were no give away at all considering there were multiple TG teams there wearing TG pinies in multiple ages,so without being the original poster you would have had no idea what team. Tournament was well run ,fields too small ,competition ran from very good to
horrible

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great day at Hofstra today! First day with Top Guns, and it was awesome. Shannon, Bill, coach, and the parents were very welcoming. Girls played great, tons of passing!

What age group does your daughter play

2017

If you nasty negative posters took a few minutes before you attack you would have seen 2017. Why such hate? I was there again today with my other team and TG did not look as good (before I forget and the haters attack THEY HAD ON THEIR PINK PINNIES). Curious-was today a combo team or was yesterday the black team? Thanks Shannon for a nice tournament, everyone was very professional.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great day at Hofstra today! First day with Top Guns, and it was awesome. Shannon, Bill, coach, and the parents were very welcoming. Girls played great, tons of passing!

What age group does your daughter play

2017

If you nasty negative posters took a few minutes before you attack you would have seen 2017. Why such hate? I was there again today with my other team and TG did not look as good (before I forget and the haters attack THEY HAD ON THEIR PINK PINNIES). Curious-was today a combo team or was yesterday the black team? Thanks Shannon for a nice tournament, everyone was very professional.

If you could actually follow the conversation you would see the 2017 was mentioned after he replied to his own post about the tons of passing his daughters team does,at this point to complicated to explain to another cool aide drinker.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great day at Hofstra today! First day with Top Guns, and it was awesome. Shannon, Bill, coach, and the parents were very welcoming. Girls played great, tons of passing!

What age group does your daughter play

2017

If you nasty negative posters took a few minutes before you attack you would have seen 2017. Why such hate? I was there again today with my other team and TG did not look as good (before I forget and the haters attack THEY HAD ON THEIR PINK PINNIES). Curious-was today a combo team or was yesterday the black team? Thanks Shannon for a nice tournament, everyone was very professional.

If you could actually follow the conversation you would see the 2017 was mentioned after he replied to his own post about the tons of passing his daughters team does,at this point to complicated to explain to another cool aide drinker.

So your upset that the kool aide has this person thinking that his daughters team passes to one another? If your looking to stir the pot and start trouble, you should really wait for something better to jump on than someone complimenting good team play. Don't know what club you come from but I can assume (spare me the Honeymooners lessson). BTW the yellow stuff your drinking is not cool aide.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great day at Hofstra today! First day with Top Guns, and it was awesome. Shannon, Bill, coach, and the parents were very welcoming. Girls played great, tons of passing!

What age group does your daughter play

2017

If you nasty negative posters took a few minutes before you attack you would have seen 2017. Why such hate? I was there again today with my other team and TG did not look as good (before I forget and the haters attack THEY HAD ON THEIR PINK PINNIES). Curious-was today a combo team or was yesterday the black team? Thanks Shannon for a nice tournament, everyone was very professional.

If you could actually follow the conversation you would see the 2017 was mentioned after he replied to his own post about the tons of passing his daughters team does,at this point to complicated to explain to another cool aide drinker.

What are you talking about?? I replied 2017, but not to my OWN post...Sorry you're not happy wherever you are, but please stay there, and leave the happy people alone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great day at Hofstra today! First day with Top Guns, and it was awesome. Shannon, Bill, coach, and the parents were very welcoming. Girls played great, tons of passing!

What age group does your daughter play

2017

If you nasty negative posters took a few minutes before you attack you would have seen 2017. Why such hate? I was there again today with my other team and TG did not look as good (before I forget and the haters attack THEY HAD ON THEIR PINK PINNIES). Curious-was today a combo team or was yesterday the black team? Thanks Shannon for a nice tournament, everyone was very professional.

Who cares? It was a fun weekend of lacrosse. The girls enjoyed it. Don't start getting crazy and try and size up or judge teams based on fall ball. Remember it is soccer season, field hockey season and whatever other season the girls play outside of lax. Teams were mixed up and put together just to get out on the field and support the Hofstra women's lax program. Thank you to them for being so positive and helpful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great day at Hofstra today! First day with Top Guns, and it was awesome. Shannon, Bill, coach, and the parents were very welcoming. Girls played great, tons of passing!

What age group does your daughter play

2017

If you nasty negative posters took a few minutes before you attack you would have seen 2017. Why such hate? I was there again today with my other team and TG did not look as good (before I forget and the haters attack THEY HAD ON THEIR PINK PINNIES). Curious-was today a combo team or was yesterday the black team? Thanks Shannon for a nice tournament, everyone was very professional.

Who cares? It was a fun weekend of lacrosse. The girls enjoyed it. Don't start getting crazy and try and size up or judge teams based on fall ball. Remember it is soccer season, field hockey season and whatever other season the girls play outside of lax. Teams were mixed up and put together just to get out on the field and support the Hofstra women's lax program. Thank you to them for being so positive and helpful.

Exactly right! It was a great day!

Tournament was great but would suggest actual refs in the future, the play on Saturday was dangerous in some games and the college kids being college kids were not calling anything.I realize you do not make as much money having to pay officials but if you do not things can get out of control. Next year maybe one certified official with 1 college player per field.

I love the banter back and forth, but for the life of me i can't figure out why when the yjs attended this tourney it sucked, but now that the tgs go, it's the greatest. Please some serious thoughts only. And try to come up with something other than it was yjs fault. Thank you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great day at Hofstra today! First day with Top Guns, and it was awesome. Shannon, Bill, coach, and the parents were very welcoming. Girls played great, tons of passing!

What age group does your daughter play

2017

If you nasty negative posters took a few minutes before you attack you would have seen 2017. Why such hate? I was there again today with my other team and TG did not look as good (before I forget and the haters attack THEY HAD ON THEIR PINK PINNIES). Curious-was today a combo team or was yesterday the black team? Thanks Shannon for a nice tournament, everyone was very professional.

If you could actually follow the conversation you would see the 2017 was mentioned after he replied to his own post about the tons of passing his daughters team does,at this point to complicated to explain to another cool aide drinker.

So your upset that the kool aide has this person thinking that his daughters team passes to one another? If your looking to stir the pot and start trouble, you should really wait for something better to jump on than someone complimenting good team play. Don't know what club you come from but I can assume (spare me the Honeymooners lessson). BTW the yellow stuff your drinking is not cool aide.

Actually just have problem on guy acting as if he played against his own daughters team and complimenting them with some fictitious team that played them in 2 round.Actually do not play for any club as I do not see the need to spend that much money on a 10 year old.Your youngest TG team very good but I do not think made more then 2 passes the entire game ,were just to big and athletic for our town team.BTW that brown stuff on your nose is not chocolate.

I'm new to all of this and did not attend the tournament this weekend, but from following along with what people have said about the tournament in the past, and more recently, maybe it has nothing to do with who attended, but how and who the tournament was organized by?? Just my thoughts....maybe it was better organized than in the past?? Any thoughts from those who attended this year and in past years?

Hey buddy lighten up. The kids that wanted to be there where there. If the yjs didn't show nobody missed them. It was a fun day and I think most of the kids had a good time. Why do parents have to ruin everything. Do you remember growing up and there weren't any parents involved when you went out to play Basketball, Football, Baseball. BOY THOSE wERE THE GOOD OLD DAYS.

You should know. I guess your use to drinking it strait from the pipe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I love the banter back and forth, but for the life of me i can't figure out why when the yjs attended this tourney it sucked, but now that the tgs go, it's the greatest. Please some serious thoughts only. And try to come up with something other than it was yjs fault. Thank you

I think the melting pot of teams produced many great mixes of the girls. There were many teams with girls from TG, YJ, SCAS, BB, EXPS, LBTY and so on, all on the same team. There were a few teams playing as TGs. Prior to this year it had always been mostly YJ teams everywhere you look. The sidelines are different with long formed YJ team playing, won't go into detail on that but most know what I am talking about and would agree. I liked the way girls stripped away from club teams and formed competitive options breaking down the ill will involved with being associated with one club or another.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You should know. I guess your use to drinking it strait from the pipe.

The tournament was well run ,most teams seemed to be TG or have many TG kids , the town teams that I saw on Saturday struggled .The refs were not good and fields too small but I would go back ,close by , a lot of games and it supports a local D1 college program which is great.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm new to all of this and did not attend the tournament this weekend, but from following along with what people have said about the tournament in the past, and more recently, maybe it has nothing to do with who attended, but how and who the tournament was organized by?? Just my thoughts....maybe it was better organized than in the past?? Any thoughts from those who attended this year and in past years?

I was there on Sunday, and thing seemed to run smoothly, all the games started and ended on time. All our games had 1 Ref. and 1 player Ref, nothing that I saw got out of control. Overall it seemed pretty mellow, no food or other type of vendors, which I didn"t miss (I saved a few bucks on stuff she doesnt need). The weather was unbelievable and I saw lots of smiles and hugs all around

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm new to all of this and did not attend the tournament this weekend, but from following along with what people have said about the tournament in the past, and more recently, maybe it has nothing to do with who attended, but how and who the tournament was organized by?? Just my thoughts....maybe it was better organized than in the past?? Any thoughts from those who attended this year and in past years?

The organization was well run. People forget that this is a fundraising event. It is not championship format, it is not NCAA finals, it is not for ranking within the region, state or country. The point was to get a stick in the hand, meet new people and raise money for Hofstra women's lacrosse program. My dd's played saturday in 2 different grade levels. Fields were easily accessible, refs were fine, schedule was out Thursday and games began and ended on time. Overall good event for a fundraiser.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey buddy lighten up. The kids that wanted to be there where there. If the yjs didn't show nobody missed them. It was a fun day and I think most of the kids had a good time. Why do parents have to ruin everything. Do you remember growing up and there weren't any parents involved when you went out to play Basketball, Football, Baseball. BOY THOSE wERE THE GOOD OLD DAYS.

To bad we dont let our under 12 kids go to the parks or schools alone (because times have changed) and those of you that let your daughter (or son) go alone have some questionable parental skills...

PS my sister never played football or baseball but did play Div 1 late 80's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey buddy lighten up. The kids that wanted to be there where there. If the yjs didn't show nobody missed them. It was a fun day and I think most of the kids had a good time. Why do parents have to ruin everything. Do you remember growing up and there weren't any parents involved when you went out to play Basketball, Football, Baseball. BOY THOSE wERE THE GOOD OLD DAYS.

To bad we dont let our under 12 kids go to the parks or schools alone (because times have changed) and those of you that let your daughter (or son) go alone have some questionable parental skills...

PS my sister never played football or baseball but did play Div 1 late 80's.

Perhaps you live in a questionable area? My daughter and friends ride their bike to JHS to play pick up games all the time. My parental skills are just fine.

P.S. Div I in late 80s is much different from Div I today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey buddy lighten up. The kids that wanted to be there where there. If the yjs didn't show nobody missed them. It was a fun day and I think most of the kids had a good time. Why do parents have to ruin everything. Do you remember growing up and there weren't any parents involved when you went out to play Basketball, Football, Baseball. BOY THOSE wERE THE GOOD OLD DAYS.

To bad we dont let our under 12 kids go to the parks or schools alone (because times have changed) and those of you that let your daughter (or son) go alone have some questionable parental skills...

PS my sister never played football or baseball but did play Div 1 late 80's.

Perhaps you live in a questionable area? My daughter and friends ride their bike to JHS to play pick up games all the time. My parental skills are just fine.

P.S. Div I in late 80s is much different from Div I today.

Please, every park is questionable for any girl younger than 12. I realize the landscape of sports has changed dramatically. I only made a point my sister played Div 1 becasue this is a girls site. Although I realize most of the good girl athletes did play football or baseball when younger, she was not one of them. As i dont see many of todays girl female athletes playing football (outside of thanksgiving) or baseball (hello this is lax blog)

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

Who knows...maybe they were waiting to see how some girls played at the 7v7 tournament...Did you ask Top Guns that question?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

Who knows...maybe they were waiting to see how some girls played at the 7v7 tournament...Did you ask Top Guns that question?

My daughter has been on TG for several years now, they were never in a hurry to post the roster. Usually see rosters right before winter indoor starts. You know what you need to know, that your daughter is on a team.

I paid; have you? NO MONEEEEEE NO LOOKEEEEE at rosters

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I paid; have you? NO MONEEEEEE NO LOOKEEEEE at rosters

Actually sounds like you paid but you get no lookeeee at roster either

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

I was told rosters would be posted this Friday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

I was told rosters would be posted this Friday.

Did you hear anything about the Fall Tournament in Maryland?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

I was told rosters would be posted this Friday.

Did you hear anything about the Fall Tournament in Maryland?

Do you mean Lax Clash?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

I was told rosters would be posted this Friday.

Who told you that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

I was told rosters would be posted this Friday.

Did you hear anything about the Fall Tournament in Maryland?

Do you mean Lax Clash?

Mid-Atlantic?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

I was told rosters would be posted this Friday.

Who told you that?

Not all checks received, will be a while. JY transfers still on the fence, stay tuned.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

I was told rosters would be posted this Friday.

Who told you that?

Not all checks received, will be a while. JY transfers still on the fence, stay tuned.

Are they on the fence until after YJ tryouts later this month?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

I was told rosters would be posted this Friday.

Who told you that?

Bill Smith.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

I was told rosters would be posted this Friday.

Who told you that?

Not all checks received, will be a while. JY transfers still on the fence, stay tuned.

I hear from a reliable source that several players including a few YJ kids have not sent in the money because they really do not want to play TG but TG big wigs making a push for them to play because if they do not it creates several issues, would need to move kids up ,then may not be able to have the money making 3 team at one of the ages.If you have a dead line for getting checks in the use your deadline don't hold out hope that a couple mediocre YJ kids will put your team over the top

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

I was told rosters would be posted this Friday.

Who told you that?

Not all checks received, will be a while. JY transfers still on the fence, stay tuned.

Maybe they'll post the rosters at the end of October, after YJ tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

I was told rosters would be posted this Friday.

Who told you that?

Bill Smith.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

I was told rosters would be posted this Friday.

Who told you that?

Not all checks received, will be a while. JY transfers still on the fence, stay tuned.

Don't you people get the ones with Yellow Jacket ties are holding out to the end; if their child makes Blue A they wont be coming to us thats why they have not paid. We don't need them if they are not in 100%. Move down the list SS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

I cannot for the life of me understand what the bug deal is with the rosters not being posted yet! As long as your daughter is on it what difference does it make who else is on it? Just be happy your daughter is on it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

I cannot for the life of me understand what the bug deal is with the rosters not being posted yet! As long as your daughter is on it what difference does it make who else is on it? Just be happy your daughter is on it!

Yes ,why would you care who your daughter is playing with and who you and your family will be spending June and July with.Makes all the difference in the world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

I cannot for the life of me understand what the bug deal is with the rosters not being posted yet! As long as your daughter is on it what difference does it make who else is on it? Just be happy your daughter is on it!

Yes ,why would you care who your daughter is playing with and who you and your family will be spending June and July with.Makes all the difference in the world.

Really??? You have no say in who is and who is not on the roster. If you say yes then you play with the others who also said yes. Would you not let your daughter play based on who is/isn't on a roster?? If your answer to that question is yes then you have issues and probably lots of them. Your only concern for June and July should be spending time with your daughter and your family! Not unless the other families in TG have that much impact on your life!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

I was told rosters would be posted this Friday.

Who told you that?

Not all checks received, will be a while. JY transfers still on the fence, stay tuned.

Maybe they'll post the rosters at the end of October, after YJ tryouts.

YJ won't poster rosters until after NOV tourneys are over!! Keep waiting

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

I cannot for the life of me understand what the bug deal is with the rosters not being posted yet! As long as your daughter is on it what difference does it make who else is on it? Just be happy your daughter is on it!

Yes ,why would you care who your daughter is playing with and who you and your family will be spending June and July with.Makes all the difference in the world.

Really??? You have no say in who is and who is not on the roster. If you say yes then you play with the others who also said yes. Would you not let your daughter play based on who is/isn't on a roster?? If your answer to that question is yes then you have issues and probably lots of them. Your only concern for June and July should be spending time with your daughter and your family! Not unless the other families in TG have that much impact on your life!

Actually you have all the say on who is on your roster, if they are half as annoying as you then join another team.Why do you think a lot of the kids play TG ,many have played with other organizations and found the behavior of the parents to be unbearable and left.If you are only concerned with you and your daughter then maybe the TG family is not for you as many families become close friends and a big part of most clubs is not just the lacrosse.Many of these kids will spend the better part of 7 years together and become best friends so yes they can have a big impact on you and your kids.With your attitude why even post rosters it's makes no difference.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

I cannot for the life of me understand what the bug deal is with the rosters not being posted yet! As long as your daughter is on it what difference does it make who else is on it? Just be happy your daughter is on it!

Yes ,why would you care who your daughter is playing with and who you and your family will be spending June and July with.Makes all the difference in the world.

Really??? You have no say in who is and who is not on the roster. If you say yes then you play with the others who also said yes. Would you not let your daughter play based on who is/isn't on a roster?? If your answer to that question is yes then you have issues and probably lots of them. Your only concern for June and July should be spending time with your daughter and your family! Not unless the other families in TG have that much impact on your life!

There might be issues you know nothing of, so for you to say that some one has "issues" is condescending and arrogant of you and you sound like an elitist snob. What is right for you doesn't make it right for everyone so mind your business . Top Guns should post the original roster picked by the coaches within a week allowing every one to decide if it is a good fit for there daughters, and a final roster after all commits are received. Or at least email the roster to each player so they can decide in privacy with a deadline date to commit

If there might be issues with who maybe on the team or who the other parents maybe why would one have their daughter try out in the first place

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If there might be issues with who maybe on the team or who the other parents maybe why would one have their daughter try out in the first place

So my daughter should not try out because you and your daughter are less then desirable socially. You must be juiced in with Steve Levy. I would wager my house on the guess that the only way your daughter makes a team is by whos butt your kissing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

I cannot for the life of me understand what the bug deal is with the rosters not being posted yet! As long as your daughter is on it what difference does it make who else is on it? Just be happy your daughter is on it!

Yes ,why would you care who your daughter is playing with and who you and your family will be spending June and July with.Makes all the difference in the world.

Really??? You have no say in who is and who is not on the roster. If you say yes then you play with the others who also said yes. Would you not let your daughter play based on who is/isn't on a roster?? If your answer to that question is yes then you have issues and probably lots of them. Your only concern for June and July should be spending time with your daughter and your family! Not unless the other families in TG have that much impact on your life!

There might be issues you know nothing of, so for you to say that some one has "issues" is condescending and arrogant of you and you sound like an elitist snob. What is right for you doesn't make it right for everyone so mind your business . Top Guns should post the original roster picked by the coaches within a week allowing every one to decide if it is a good fit for there daughters, and a final roster after all commits are received. Or at least email the roster to each player so they can decide in privacy with a deadline date to commit

Maybe you should contact Bill & Shannon and ask them to call you personally as each check is received and then you can decide if they cash it or not. That way you'll be sure you and your daughter are happy with the roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

I cannot for the life of me understand what the bug deal is with the rosters not being posted yet! As long as your daughter is on it what difference does it make who else is on it? Just be happy your daughter is on it!

Yes ,why would you care who your daughter is playing with and who you and your family will be spending June and July with.Makes all the difference in the world.

Really??? You have no say in who is and who is not on the roster. If you say yes then you play with the others who also said yes. Would you not let your daughter play based on who is/isn't on a roster?? If your answer to that question is yes then you have issues and probably lots of them. Your only concern for June and July should be spending time with your daughter and your family! Not unless the other families in TG have that much impact on your life!

There might be issues you know nothing of, so for you to say that some one has "issues" is condescending and arrogant of you and you sound like an elitist snob. What is right for you doesn't make it right for everyone so mind your business . Top Guns should post the original roster picked by the coaches within a week allowing every one to decide if it is a good fit for there daughters, and a final roster after all commits are received. Or at least email the roster to each player so they can decide in privacy with a deadline date to commit

Maybe you should contact Bill & Shannon and ask them to call you personally as each check is received and then you can decide if they cash it or not. That way you'll be sure you and your daughter are happy with the roster.

People, you are being played the fool. SS is already heavily involved at Hofstra, she does not have time for you and it's only going to get worse as SS establishes herself as head coach of a D1 program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

I cannot for the life of me understand what the bug deal is with the rosters not being posted yet! As long as your daughter is on it what difference does it make who else is on it? Just be happy your daughter is on it!

Yes ,why would you care who your daughter is playing with and who you and your family will be spending June and July with.Makes all the difference in the world.

Really??? You have no say in who is and who is not on the roster. If you say yes then you play with the others who also said yes. Would you not let your daughter play based on who is/isn't on a roster?? If your answer to that question is yes then you have issues and probably lots of them. Your only concern for June and July should be spending time with your daughter and your family! Not unless the other families in TG have that much impact on your life!

There might be issues you know nothing of, so for you to say that some one has "issues" is condescending and arrogant of you and you sound like an elitist snob. What is right for you doesn't make it right for everyone so mind your business . Top Guns should post the original roster picked by the coaches within a week allowing every one to decide if it is a good fit for there daughters, and a final roster after all commits are received. Or at least email the roster to each player so they can decide in privacy with a deadline date to commit

Maybe you should contact Bill & Shannon and ask them to call you personally as each check is received and then you can decide if they cash it or not. That way you'll be sure you and your daughter are happy with the roster.

That would be good for me . but how about the rest of the girls. Oh I'm sure this is where you tell me that every one at Top Gins Gets along and there is total harmonic karma, never any discord or inner turmoil. there is nothing wrong with posting the initial roster the day it is finalized by the Top Guns brass. the only people that want it a secret are those that have something to hide, or don't really deserve to be there in the first place, so tell me , what category does your daughter fall into? even when you look at colleges you know who is on the roster and you go meet them. If you don't click you choose another. But I guess being chosen to play for Top Guns is such an honor that you should just accept the spot and like it.

People, you are being played the fool. SS is already heavily involved at Hofstra, she does not have time for you and it's only going to get worse as SS establishes herself as head coach of a D1 program.

You're just another hater, and you don't know what you're talking about. It's very common for college coaches to run successful travel sports programs, especially in soccer. It will happen more and more in lacrosse too, over time. Just be concerned with your own program, and make sure your daughter is having fun, and getting better and learning some solid life lessons - all due to solid coaching. That's what's important.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People, you are being played the fool. SS is already heavily involved at Hofstra, she does not have time for you and it's only going to get worse as SS establishes herself as head coach of a D1 program.

You're just another hater, and you don't know what you're talking about. It's very common for college coaches to run successful travel sports programs, especially in soccer. It will happen more and more in lacrosse too, over time. Just be concerned with your own program, and make sure your daughter is having fun, and getting better and learning some solid life lessons - all due to solid coaching. That's what's important.

While I agree ,you have some life lesson problems on the younger end of your program.Take a look at the coaches bios on your web site and tell me who does not fit in with the rest.We have a chance to make the best program in the country but of course you can see politics already a concern.I hope the above about SS is way off the mark but I cannot help but feel she dropped the ball not taking control of her youngest team and allowing a parent to pick and choose who he wanted to invite to the first tournament ever for the TG 2020.Some of that groups first experience with TG will make them cautious about how TG is run.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People, you are being played the fool. SS is already heavily involved at Hofstra, she does not have time for you and it's only going to get worse as SS establishes herself as head coach of a D1 program.

You're just another hater, and you don't know what you're talking about. It's very common for college coaches to run successful travel sports programs, especially in soccer. It will happen more and more in lacrosse too, over time. Just be concerned with your own program, and make sure your daughter is having fun, and getting better and learning some solid life lessons - all due to solid coaching. That's what's important.

While I agree ,you have some life lesson problems on the younger end of your program.Take a look at the coaches bios on your web site and tell me who does not fit in with the rest.We have a chance to make the best program in the country but of course you can see politics already a concern.I hope the above about SS is way off the mark but I cannot help but feel she dropped the ball not taking control of her youngest team and allowing a parent to pick and choose who he wanted to invite to the first tournament ever for the TG 2020.Some of that groups first experience with TG will make them cautious about how TG is run.

It's about the money period! People have not paid because they want to explore options. So stop with all of the guessing and physco babble; it's about the money with TG and any other organiztion. There is no other reason rosters are not posted. All of the Big Wigs with these clubs are just playing games with each other; i.e. earlier tryout dates, more than two teams in an age group etc. and it all comes back to one thing MONEY! Do your selves a favor ask your child where she will be the happiest and go there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People, you are being played the fool. SS is already heavily involved at Hofstra, she does not have time for you and it's only going to get worse as SS establishes herself as head coach of a D1 program.

You're just another hater, and you don't know what you're talking about. It's very common for college coaches to run successful travel sports programs, especially in soccer. It will happen more and more in lacrosse too, over time. Just be concerned with your own program, and make sure your daughter is having fun, and getting better and learning some solid life lessons - all due to solid coaching. That's what's important.

While I agree ,you have some life lesson problems on the younger end of your program.Take a look at the coaches bios on your web site and tell me who does not fit in with the rest.We have a chance to make the best program in the country but of course you can see politics already a concern.I hope the above about SS is way off the mark but I cannot help but feel she dropped the ball not taking control of her youngest team and allowing a parent to pick and choose who he wanted to invite to the first tournament ever for the TG 2020.Some of that groups first experience with TG will make them cautious about how TG is run.

It's my understanding that the group of kids that played as 2020 TG in Hofstra tournament were all girls who played on 2019 teams last year and wanted to play together to have FUN and show support for SS and her Hofstra program, nothing more, nothing less, so lets move on! This wasn't a group of 15-16 kids running down to Maryland to play in an elite tournament, but not wanting to invite the entire team (see yj thread for that type of behavior). It's not like this team has been together for years and everyone knows each other, I'm sure in the future they would be happy to invite everyone and make two teams for these 7V7 tournaments.

Has your check been cashed? Neither have the 2017 YJ checks because they have not been received yet! Heard that from a parent of one of the girls chosen, mine is on black and I dont care who her teammates are although it wasnt hard to figure out with the girls all chatting/texting each other as well as the teams formed for the Hofstra tourny. Wonder how long Bill-I mean Shannon will wait..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has your check been cashed? Neither have the 2017 YJ checks because they have not been received yet! Heard that from a parent of one of the girls chosen, mine is on black and I dont care who her teammates are although it wasnt hard to figure out with the girls all chatting/texting each other as well as the teams formed for the Hofstra tourny. Wonder how long Bill-I mean Shannon will wait..

Who cares about YJ. What the [lacrosse] is 2017 YJ checks all about. They have not had there tryouts yet and who gives a crap! if they didnt pay then move TG we dont need them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has your check been cashed? Neither have the 2017 YJ checks because they have not been received yet! Heard that from a parent of one of the girls chosen, mine is on black and I dont care who her teammates are although it wasnt hard to figure out with the girls all chatting/texting each other as well as the teams formed for the Hofstra tourny. Wonder how long Bill-I mean Shannon will wait..

Who cares about YJ. What the [lacrosse] is 2017 YJ checks all about. They have not had there tryouts yet and who gives a crap! if they didnt pay then move TG we dont need them.

Love your post and totally agree! Who cares?!! Go TG!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People, you are being played the fool. SS is already heavily involved at Hofstra, she does not have time for you and it's only going to get worse as SS establishes herself as head coach of a D1 program.

You're just another hater, and you don't know what you're talking about. It's very common for college coaches to run successful travel sports programs, especially in soccer. It will happen more and more in lacrosse too, over time. Just be concerned with your own program, and make sure your daughter is having fun, and getting better and learning some solid life lessons - all due to solid coaching. That's what's important.

While I agree ,you have some life lesson problems on the younger end of your program.Take a look at the coaches bios on your web site and tell me who does not fit in with the rest.We have a chance to make the best program in the country but of course you can see politics already a concern.I hope the above about SS is way off the mark but I cannot help but feel she dropped the ball not taking control of her youngest team and allowing a parent to pick and choose who he wanted to invite to the first tournament ever for the TG 2020.Some of that groups first experience with TG will make them cautious about how TG is run.

It's my understanding that the group of kids that played as 2020 TG in Hofstra tournament were all girls who played on 2019 teams last year and wanted to play together to have FUN and show support for SS and her Hofstra program, nothing more, nothing less, so lets move on! This wasn't a group of 15-16 kids running down to Maryland to play in an elite tournament, but not wanting to invite the entire team (see yj thread for that type of behavior). It's not like this team has been together for years and everyone knows each other, I'm sure in the future they would be happy to invite everyone and make two teams for these 7V7 tournaments.

Your understanding is wrong and kids who were not on team last year were involved so do not act like it is much different from what you read over on yj site, as a matter of fact it is exactly the same except the location of the tournament .Whoever informed you of the facts lied to your face,obviously it has been divisive or the people who I talked to would not have felt sp strongly .

100% agree. Heard the same.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People, you are being played the fool. SS is already heavily involved at Hofstra, she does not have time for you and it's only going to get worse as SS establishes herself as head coach of a D1 program.

You're just another hater, and you don't know what you're talking about. It's very common for college coaches to run successful travel sports programs, especially in soccer. It will happen more and more in lacrosse too, over time. Just be concerned with your own program, and make sure your daughter is having fun, and getting better and learning some solid life lessons - all due to solid coaching. That's what's important.

While I agree ,you have some life lesson problems on the younger end of your program.Take a look at the coaches bios on your web site and tell me who does not fit in with the rest.We have a chance to make the best program in the country but of course you can see politics already a concern.I hope the above about SS is way off the mark but I cannot help but feel she dropped the ball not taking control of her youngest team and allowing a parent to pick and choose who he wanted to invite to the first tournament ever for the TG 2020.Some of that groups first experience with TG will make them cautious about how TG is run.

It's my understanding that the group of kids that played as 2020 TG in Hofstra tournament were all girls who played on 2019 teams last year and wanted to play together to have FUN and show support for SS and her Hofstra program, nothing more, nothing less, so lets move on! This wasn't a group of 15-16 kids running down to Maryland to play in an elite tournament, but not wanting to invite the entire team (see yj thread for that type of behavior). It's not like this team has been together for years and everyone knows each other, I'm sure in the future they would be happy to invite everyone and make two teams for these 7V7 tournaments.

Your understanding is wrong and kids who were not on team last year were involved so do not act like it is much different from what you read over on yj site, as a matter of fact it is exactly the same except the location of the tournament .Whoever informed you of the facts lied to your face,obviously it has been divisive or the people who I talked to would not have felt sp strongly .

if rosters have not been posted how is it that a parent would have all the names and contact information of the kids on the team anyway? this entire thing seems like much to do about nothing

Not even close to what the YJ team did

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People, you are being played the fool. SS is already heavily involved at Hofstra, she does not have time for you and it's only going to get worse as SS establishes herself as head coach of a D1 program.

You're just another hater, and you don't know what you're talking about. It's very common for college coaches to run successful travel sports programs, especially in soccer. It will happen more and more in lacrosse too, over time. Just be concerned with your own program, and make sure your daughter is having fun, and getting better and learning some solid life lessons - all due to solid coaching. That's what's important.

While I agree ,you have some life lesson problems on the younger end of your program.Take a look at the coaches bios on your web site and tell me who does not fit in with the rest.We have a chance to make the best program in the country but of course you can see politics already a concern.I hope the above about SS is way off the mark but I cannot help but feel she dropped the ball not taking control of her youngest team and allowing a parent to pick and choose who he wanted to invite to the first tournament ever for the TG 2020.Some of that groups first experience with TG will make them cautious about how TG is run.

It's my understanding that the group of kids that played as 2020 TG in Hofstra tournament were all girls who played on 2019 teams last year and wanted to play together to have FUN and show support for SS and her Hofstra program, nothing more, nothing less, so lets move on! This wasn't a group of 15-16 kids running down to Maryland to play in an elite tournament, but not wanting to invite the entire team (see yj thread for that type of behavior). It's not like this team has been together for years and everyone knows each other, I'm sure in the future they would be happy to invite everyone and make two teams for these 7V7 tournaments.

Your understanding is wrong and kids who were not on team last year were involved so do not act like it is much different from what you read over on yj site, as a matter of fact it is exactly the same except the location of the tournament .Whoever informed you of the facts lied to your face,obviously it has been divisive or the people who I talked to would not have felt sp strongly .

if rosters have not been posted how is it that a parent would have all the names and contact information of the kids on the team anyway? this entire thing seems like much to do about nothing

Can we please put this to rest and not even address any more posts. If parents can't understand that this tournament was for fundraising and teams were put together by other parents, shame on them. They had the opportunity to put a team together and enter anyone they wanted to. If they did not have any contacts they could have contacted the director of the tournament to see if they can be placed with a team. Many families did just that and were placed on a team after PARENTS stepped up to volunteer and help out. If you are so sour about it please don't come to TG.

One additional note, put into perspective your daughter is 10/11 years old. She has many years of playing lax ahead of her. Think about putting a team in of your own for 7v7 om November. They welcome more teams.....again it is a fundraiser!

Let me guess your kid was one of the golden children asked to play. If you cannot understand that all tournaments are done for fundraising and that when teams are put together by parents then they should not use the club name ie. TG 2020 in that they do not represent the actual club team then you are an idiot.One more additional note keep in mind that 10 -11 year old girls get their feelings hurt easily and when they see a team they were excited to make playing under the TG 2020 name but were not asked to play.It is hard for them to understand that there are adults such as yourself that think their kids are too good to even play on the same team as them even when that same guys kid is average at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me guess your kid was one of the golden children asked to play. If you cannot understand that all tournaments are done for fundraising and that when teams are put together by parents then they should not use the club name ie. TG 2020 in that they do not represent the actual club team then you are an idiot.One more additional note keep in mind that 10 -11 year old girls get their feelings hurt easily and when they see a team they were excited to make playing under the TG 2020 name but were not asked to play.It is hard for them to understand that there are adults such as yourself that think their kids are too good to even play on the same team as them even when that same guys kid is average at best.

You should not assume anything idiot! I guess your feelings were hurt as well and this is why you resort to immature name calling. If you must know I was one of the parents who were not asked but was proactive for my daughter and contacted the tournament instead of sitting at home crying about it on a message board. Maybe you should have been proactive and put a second team under TG 2020 for your daughter. What is most disheartening is the way you are handling it. Simply explain to your daughter it is not the entire TG 2020 team and if you would like I can enter a team as well under that name. Instead you choose to act like a child...sorry your feelings were hurt. Grow up!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me guess your kid was one of the golden children asked to play. If you cannot understand that all tournaments are done for fundraising and that when teams are put together by parents then they should not use the club name ie. TG 2020 in that they do not represent the actual club team then you are an idiot.One more additional note keep in mind that 10 -11 year old girls get their feelings hurt easily and when they see a team they were excited to make playing under the TG 2020 name but were not asked to play.It is hard for them to understand that there are adults such as yourself that think their kids are too good to even play on the same team as them even when that same guys kid is average at best.

You should not assume anything idiot! I guess your feelings were hurt as well and this is why you resort to immature name calling. If you must know I was one of the parents who were not asked but was proactive for my daughter and contacted the tournament instead of sitting at home crying about it on a message board. Maybe you should have been proactive and put a second team under TG 2020 for your daughter. What is most disheartening is the way you are handling it. Simply explain to your daughter it is not the entire TG 2020 team and if you would like I can enter a team as well under that name. Instead you choose to act like a child...sorry your feelings were hurt. Grow up!!

Do not even have a kid at the age group ,thank goodness ,would not want to deal with people like you or the parent coach who put this team in.My older kids have played for other organizations who had parents like this and did the same type non- sense which always results in division among the team.Eventually it will cause the team to fracture apart.What's even more disheartening is the fact that you cannot even take your own advice and stop posting on the subject, seems to me even you know your advice is idiotic.Maybe other posters were correct and SS is too busy to pay attention,there is no way she should be allowing parent coaches who are not part of her coaching staff to put teams in tournaments under the TG name.Put another team in under that same name....really, sounds like a great idea everyone can play under the 2020 TG label.

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#14104 - 06/26/12 02:36 PM Re: Long Island Yellow Jackets Lacrosse [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Yes its there under misc. team.
Wow

"Coaches kid on roster also.

Well, I can tell you this...he has some serious explaining to do. I cannot believe that any self-respecting organization would tolerate that kind of divisive, counter-productive, and just plain dumb decision making.

Truly disgraceful. So much for "team" and "loyalty."

Funny stuff from YJ site sounds a lot like current TG discussion.

And Carol made right by those not invited by entering the girls in the babylon lax blast as an additional tourney. You should'nt run your mouths so much because there is no differance what so ever.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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#14104 - 06/26/12 02:36 PM Re: Long Island Yellow Jackets Lacrosse [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Yes its there under misc. team.
Wow

"Coaches kid on roster also.

Well, I can tell you this...he has some serious explaining to do. I cannot believe that any self-respecting organization would tolerate that kind of divisive, counter-productive, and just plain dumb decision making.

Truly disgraceful. So much for "team" and "loyalty."

Funny stuff from YJ site sounds a lot like current TG discussion.

The team did not play as a YJ team and did not wear YJ jerseys they have common sense!!

Thank you shannon for not choosing my daughter. With parents like this , she's better off where she was

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you shannon for not choosing my daughter. With parents like this , she's better off where she was

If she wasn't chosen for a team, obviously she is better off where she is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you shannon for not choosing my daughter. With parents like this , she's better off where she was

Yeah right....if you thought that you wouldn't be here, watching this thread. Maybe next year...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you shannon for not choosing my daughter. With parents like this , she's better off where she was

most of these posts are not from TG parents...it's mostly people with nothing better to do, looking to stir up trouble.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

The Rosters are posted.

How does a girl that went through major knee surgery, hasn't played in a year, and did not take the field during try outs make it onto a black team? If that is not the antithesis of favoritism and totally unfair I don't know what is. shame on you Shannon for allowing that to happen under your name. Totally unfair to the girls that tried out and gave there all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does a girl that went through major knee surgery, hasn't played in a year, and did not take the field during try outs make it onto a black team? If that is not the antithesis of favoritism and totally unfair I don't know what is. shame on you Shannon for allowing that to happen under your name. Totally unfair to the girls that tried out and gave there all.

If the player was a black team player before the injury, exactly where could the player be placed now? One additional player in these cases does not cost anyone a placing if they themselves were qualified.

Think of it this way : on a 22 player roster, if your daughter missed the black team and you are saying it was due to a returning player off an injury, doesn't that mean your daughter would have been the very last choice?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does a girl that went through major knee surgery, hasn't played in a year, and did not take the field during try outs make it onto a black team? If that is not the antithesis of favoritism and totally unfair I don't know what is. shame on you Shannon for allowing that to happen under your name. Totally unfair to the girls that tried out and gave there all.

Here we go! Let the crying begin! Remember everyone - take any comments with a grain of salt...now that the rosters are posted, there will be all kinds of ranting and raving, accusing, etc...good luck to all the girls, with whatever team they ended up on. Hopefully, they all have fun, become better lacrosse players, and build some great friendships - regardless of what the crazy parents say and do! Good luck everyone! (PS-my daughter is on purple, and we're happy to have her there)

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does a girl that went through major knee surgery, hasn't played in a year, and did not take the field during try outs make it onto a black team? If that is not the antithesis of favoritism and totally unfair I don't know what is. shame on you Shannon for allowing that to happen under your name. Totally unfair to the girls that tried out and gave there all.

If the player was a black team player before the injury, exactly where could the player be placed now? One additional player in these cases does not cost anyone a placing if they themselves were qualified.

Think of it this way : on a 22 player roster, if your daughter missed the black team and you are saying it was due to a returning player off an injury, doesn't that mean your daughter would have been the very last choice?

Great point. And, if so, she'd probably be better off being a top player on purple. More touches, playing time, etc. If she works to be the best player on purple, she'll probably move up next year.

Theres always 91 tryout this weekend !!
Hear they have a northwestern girl running program and there whole itinerary in girls program looks to be on the rise for better! My daughter actually declined TG purple and we are heading over to a few more tryouts this weekend.. For each his/her own ..The Drama life between YJ and TG has alot of people not wanting to goto either of the two program .
And yes a few bad apples does ruin the bunch !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does a girl that went through major knee surgery, hasn't played in a year, and did not take the field during try outs make it onto a black team? If that is not the antithesis of favoritism and totally unfair I don't know what is. shame on you Shannon for allowing that to happen under your name. Totally unfair to the girls that tried out and gave there all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Theres always 91 tryout this weekend !!
Hear they have a northwestern girl running program and there whole itinerary in girls program looks to be on the rise for better! My daughter actually declined TG purple and we are heading over to a few more tryouts this weekend.. For each his/her own ..The Drama life between YJ and TG has alot of people not wanting to goto either of the two program .
And yes a few bad apples does ruin the bunch !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does a girl that went through major knee surgery, hasn't played in a year, and did not take the field during try outs make it onto a black team? If that is not the antithesis of favoritism and totally unfair I don't know what is. shame on you Shannon for allowing that to happen under your name. Totally unfair to the girls that tried out and gave

91 is not going anywhere fast

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Theres always 91 tryout this weekend !!
Hear they have a northwestern girl running program and there whole itinerary in girls program looks to be on the rise for better! My daughter actually declined TG purple and we are heading over to a few more tryouts this weekend.. For each his/her own ..The Drama life between YJ and TG has alot of people not wanting to goto either of the two program .
And yes a few bad apples does ruin the bunch !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does a girl that went through major knee surgery, hasn't played in a year, and did not take the field during try outs make it onto a black team? If that is not the antithesis of favoritism and totally unfair I don't know what is. shame on you Shannon for allowing that to happen under your name. Totally unfair to the girls that tried out and gave

91 is not going anywhere fast

I'm not a 91 fan, however they do claim to be working on the girls' side by hiring a woman to oversee just the girls' side, which for my two cents is what they needed from the outset. That does seem to be a step in the right direction, but given their track record I think I'd wait a year to see if it all plays out favorably, if this woman is given enough "whatever" to fully support and grow the girls' side or if she's just a figurehead to soothe the disgruntled.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Theres always 91 tryout this weekend !!
Hear they have a northwestern girl running program and there whole itinerary in girls program looks to be on the rise for better! My daughter actually declined TG purple and we are heading over to a few more tryouts this weekend.. For each his/her own ..The Drama life between YJ and TG has alot of people not wanting to goto either of the two program .
And yes a few bad apples does ruin the bunch !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does a girl that went through major knee surgery, hasn't played in a year, and did not take the field during try outs make it onto a black team? If that is not the antithesis of favoritism and totally unfair I don't know what is. shame on you Shannon for allowing that to happen under your name. Totally unfair to the girls that tried out and gave

91 is not going anywhere fast

you're right. we considered 91, but they'll alwayws be 2nd fiddle to the boys program, and they're at least a few years away from being a strong program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the delay with posting the rosters?

The Rosters are posted.

After looking at the rosters, anyone know how much turnover there was on the black teams?

Looking at 2018
3 of 2018 Black last year went to purple and they selected 5 new girls-who knows where they are from but they can't be too bad to make black. The rest of Black is the same.

For 2018 purple, 11 stayed on purple, 3 moved to purple from black, and 10 new girls were selected. Two girls also moved from purple to white and 4 girls did not come back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at 2018
3 of 2018 Black last year went to purple and they selected 5 new girls-who knows where they are from but they can't be too bad to make black. The rest of Black is the same.

For 2018 purple, 11 stayed on purple, 3 moved to purple from black, and 10 new girls were selected. Two girls also moved from purple to white and 4 girls did not come back.

Wow, that's good info! Anyone have that kind of breakdown on 2017?

Just saw the 2020 black roster! I only know a few of the girls but I'm sure it's going to be a good team! So congrats to all the girls and we are looking forward to a great season!

91 has stepped in right direction and will go somewhere gradually as far as second priority to boys , remember the money backing is there , and they will do whatever this year with the staff they obtained to turn it around !

Looks like 6 new girls on 2017 black

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does a girl that went through major knee surgery, hasn't played in a year, and did not take the field during try outs make it onto a black team? If that is not the antithesis of favoritism and totally unfair I don't know what is. shame on you Shannon for allowing that to happen under your name. Totally unfair to the girls that tried out and gave there all.

Because she has played in the past and is a known quantity. Your saying Tom Brady should have been made into a backup QB after he sat out for a year? You kidding, they couldn't wait to get him back. Same thing. Sour grapes.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does a girl that went through major knee surgery, hasn't played in a year, and did not take the field during try outs make it onto a black team? If that is not the antithesis of favoritism and totally unfair I don't know what is. shame on you Shannon for allowing that to happen under your name. Totally unfair to the girls that tried out and gave there all.

If the player was a black team player before the injury, exactly where could the player be placed now? One additional player in these cases does not cost anyone a placing if they themselves were qualified.

Think of it this way : on a 22 player roster, if your daughter missed the black team and you are saying it was due to a returning player off an injury, doesn't that mean your daughter would have been the very last choice?

Of course it cost a girl a roster spot, even if she was the last girl to make the team she deserves the shot to prove herself. And no sage she didn't play last year in any capacity on any team. She should have been put on purple until SHE can prove that she can play at that level after taking a full year off. The girl that now is on purple, wether the last girl chosen or not got robbed and deserves the shot. But being from E.I. has it's advantages.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like 6 new girls on 2017 black

Ok, thanks. Anyone familiar with the breakdown of 2017 purple? I know at least a few girls moved from black to purple...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw the 2020 black roster! I only know a few of the girls but I'm sure it's going to be a good team! So congrats to all the girls and we are looking forward to a great season!

The first year teams at TG seems to attract better and better players each year, it is very competitive and getting much harder to break into on black and even on purple. The club is without a doubt building a very strong base with the quality of the younger teams. The days of starting young to get a foot in the door are now gone with this club. Good luck to all the girls who made it. To all the other girls, keep working hard and have another crack at it next year and good luck to you wherever you decide to play this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw the 2020 black roster! I only know a few of the girls but I'm sure it's going to be a good team! So congrats to all the girls and we are looking forward to a great season!

The first year teams at TG seems to attract better and better players each year, it is very competitive and getting much harder to break into on black and even on purple. The club is without a doubt building a very strong base with the quality of the younger teams. The days of starting young to get a foot in the door are now gone with this club. Good luck to all the girls who made it. To all the other girls, keep working hard and have another crack at it next year and good luck to you wherever you decide to play this year.

Give me a break ,you really need a reality check.The first year kids are 8 9 10 years old ,you have no idea what type of player they will develop into.Every club is getting better kids trying out young because kids are staring earlier and the sport is growing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw the 2020 black roster! I only know a few of the girls but I'm sure it's going to be a good team! So congrats to all the girls and we are looking forward to a great season!

The first year teams at TG seems to attract better and better players each year, it is very competitive and getting much harder to break into on black and even on purple. The club is without a doubt building a very strong base with the quality of the younger teams. The days of starting young to get a foot in the door are now gone with this club. Good luck to all the girls who made it. To all the other girls, keep working hard and have another crack at it next year and good luck to you wherever you decide to play this year.

Give me a break ,you really need a reality check.The first year kids are 8 9 10 years old ,you have no idea what type of player they will develop into.Every club is getting better kids trying out young because kids are staring earlier and the sport is growing.

My experience is you can easily spot talent at this age. Will puberty spring a few kids? yeah, will other athletic kids start later and rise straight to the top? Yes. But I have seen this with all my kids in all the sports they play and it repeats itself over and over with only a few kids as exceptions, so yes you can definitaly spot athelets and talent at this age. Most either have "it" or not. "It" canot be taught or trained, it is inside the kid. If your daughter has been playing on average as long as others her age and your waiting for her to develope into that high level standout, you very well may be dissappointed, but it does happen in a blue moon, good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw the 2020 black roster! I only know a few of the girls but I'm sure it's going to be a good team! So congrats to all the girls and we are looking forward to a great season!

The first year teams at TG seems to attract better and better players each year, it is very competitive and getting much harder to break into on black and even on purple. The club is without a doubt building a very strong base with the quality of the younger teams. The days of starting young to get a foot in the door are now gone with this club. Good luck to all the girls who made it. To all the other girls, keep working hard and have another crack at it next year and good luck to you wherever you decide to play this year.

Give me a break ,you really need a reality check.The first year kids are 8 9 10 years old ,you have no idea what type of player they will develop into.Every club is getting better kids trying out young because kids are staring earlier and the sport is growing.

My experience is you can easily spot talent at this age. Will puberty spring a few kids? yeah, will other athletic kids start later and rise straight to the top? Yes. But I have seen this with all my kids in all the sports they play and it repeats itself over and over with only a few kids as exceptions, so yes you can definitaly spot athelets and talent at this age. Most either have "it" or not. "It" canot be taught or trained, it is inside the kid. If your daughter has been playing on average as long as others her age and your waiting for her to develope into that high level standout, you very well may be dissappointed, but it does happen in a blue moon, good luck.

What a complete tool. Any parent who has any lacrosse knowledge or a descent coach can take a kid who is average athletically and make them into one of the better players in this age group.Over half the kids that make the black team will not be on that team by the time they are in 9 grade.The team a year older has kids who are more athletic and were more advanced at the same age, matter of fact the best 2020 player is on the 2019 probably because the coaches realize that younger group needs a lot of work and she would have no one of equal ability.My experience is that blow hards like you usually have no idea what they are talking about and their kids either burn out or are average at best.

Probably a stupid question I am sure, what are the numbers before the kids' names? Are they numbers they wore during tryouts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably a stupid question I am sure, what are the numbers before the kids' names? Are they numbers they wore during tryouts?

Those are their jersey numbers.

2018 black half the team is Three Village .

Here's a summar of 2017, with 15 new players:
Purple - 11 returning, 4 moved from black, 9 new
Black - 18 returning, 1 moved from purple, 6 new

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like 6 new girls on 2017 black

Just saw the roster, looks like there will be an abundance of Islip egos on that field next year! My daughter is on a "Suffolk" team and knows many of them well- bring earplugs to the sidelines folks because lots of daddys will be complaining even more than they did last year!

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably a stupid question I am sure, what are the numbers before the kids' names? Are they numbers they wore during tryouts?

Those are their jersey numbers.

Randomly assigned? Not that it matters

Look like TG is into the money adding new 2018 team taking all players that try out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably a stupid question I am sure, what are the numbers before the kids' names? Are they numbers they wore during tryouts?

Those are their jersey numbers.

Randomly assigned? Not that it matters

I think they were alphabetically assigned as each team initially formed then later additions received higher numbers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here's a summar of 2017, with 15 new players:
Purple - 11 returning, 4 moved from black, 9 new
Black - 18 returning, 1 moved from purple, 6 new

26 on the roster does not make this parent happy. It was difficult last year with a smaller team getting playing time. Big question is who will be forced to play defense, hope it's not my kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw the 2020 black roster! I only know a few of the girls but I'm sure it's going to be a good team! So congrats to all the girls and we are looking forward to a great season!

The first year teams at TG seems to attract better and better players each year, it is very competitive and getting much harder to break into on black and even on purple. The club is without a doubt building a very strong base with the quality of the younger teams. The days of starting young to get a foot in the door are now gone with this club. Good luck to all the girls who made it. To all the other girls, keep working hard and have another crack at it next year and good luck to you wherever you decide to play this year.

Give me a break ,you really need a reality check.The first year kids are 8 9 10 years old ,you have no idea what type of player they will develop into.Every club is getting better kids trying out young because kids are staring earlier and the sport is growing.

My experience is you can easily spot talent at this age. Will puberty spring a few kids? yeah, will other athletic kids start later and rise straight to the top? Yes. But I have seen this with all my kids in all the sports they play and it repeats itself over and over with only a few kids as exceptions, so yes you can definitaly spot athelets and talent at this age. Most either have "it" or not. "It" canot be taught or trained, it is inside the kid. If your daughter has been playing on average as long as others her age and your waiting for her to develope into that high level standout, you very well may be dissappointed, but it does happen in a blue moon, good luck.

What a complete tool. Any parent who has any lacrosse knowledge or a descent coach can take a kid who is average athletically and make them into one of the better players in this age group.Over half the kids that make the black team will not be on that team by the time they are in 9 grade.The team a year older has kids who are more athletic and were more advanced at the same age, matter of fact the best 2020 player is on the 2019 probably because the coaches realize that younger group needs a lot of work and she would have no one of equal ability.My experience is that blow hards like you usually have no idea what they are talking about and their kids either burn out or are average at best.

You obviously do not know what you are talking about! The kid is staying on 2019 becasue of her birthdate and her daddy - no other reason.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw the 2020 black roster! I only know a few of the girls but I'm sure it's going to be a good team! So congrats to all the girls and we are looking forward to a great season!

The first year teams at TG seems to attract better and better players each year, it is very competitive and getting much harder to break into on black and even on purple. The club is without a doubt building a very strong base with the quality of the younger teams. The days of starting young to get a foot in the door are now gone with this club. Good luck to all the girls who made it. To all the other girls, keep working hard and have another crack at it next year and good luck to you wherever you decide to play this year.

Give me a break ,you really need a reality check.The first year kids are 8 9 10 years old ,you have no idea what type of player they will develop into.Every club is getting better kids trying out young because kids are staring earlier and the sport is growing.

My experience is you can easily spot talent at this age. Will puberty spring a few kids? yeah, will other athletic kids start later and rise straight to the top? Yes. But I have seen this with all my kids in all the sports they play and it repeats itself over and over with only a few kids as exceptions, so yes you can definitaly spot athelets and talent at this age. Most either have "it" or not. "It" canot be taYught or trained, it is inside the kid. If your daughter has been playing on average as long as others her age and your waiting for her to develope into that high level standout, you very well may be dissappointed, but it does happen in a blue moon, good luck.

What a complete tool. Any parent who has any lacrosse knowledge or a descent coach can take a kid who is average athletically and make them into one of the better players in this age group.Over half the kids that make the black team will not be on that team by the time they are in 9 grade.The team a year older has kids who are more athletic and were more advanced at the same age, matter of fact the best 2020 player is on the 2019 probably because the coaches realize that younger group needs a lot of work and she would have no one of equal ability.My experience is that blow hards like you usually have no idea what they are talking about and their kids either burn out or are average at best.

Come on - is it really necessary to rip this team apart before they have even had a chance to play together? Many of these kids are young and this is their first time playing travel lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably a stupid question I am sure, what are the numbers before the kids' names? Are they numbers they wore during tryouts?

Those are their jersey numbers.

Randomly assigned? Not that it matters

Do they not take uniform # requests from the girls? If so, that's a little strange, but a minor detail...anybody know?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look like TG is into the money adding new 2018 team taking all players that try out

there were over 100 girls at the tryout, so they still cut about 25, who will probably go play for YJ red, or green. and there's nothing wrong with that. it's nice that they'll have somewhere to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look like TG is into the money adding new 2018 team taking all players that try out

They didn't take all players at tryouts. About 70 roster spots were filled for 2018 out of one hundred and someteen at try outs. I know many girls who were not even initially offered a spot on any team. I am sure eventually everyone had a shot as the white roster still has room. Obvious reason is many players looking to get on black and walked when they didn't make it. A third team at each age group seems to be a money making model, I'm sure eventually all age groups will see this happen.

I think there are maybe 8 girls from Three Village...I do not really know what your point is concerning this fact. The 2018 Black team only lost (2) games, both in a 25 minute game scenario. They were a very good team this past season. It looks like they have added a few girls to that already existing group...sounds reasonable to me. At the same time the purple team seems to have gotten stronger on paper and next season will hopefully prove that...good luck to all

then they must have a strong team at three village if 8 kids are on the 2018 black.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw the 2020 black roster! I only know a few of the girls but I'm sure it's going to be a good team! So congrats to all the girls and we are looking forward to a great season!

The first year teams at TG seems to attract better and better players each year, it is very competitive and getting much harder to break into on black and even on purple. The club is without a doubt building a very strong base with the quality of the younger teams. The days of starting young to get a foot in the door are now gone with this club. Good luck to all the girls who made it. To all the other girls, keep working hard and have another crack at it next year and good luck to you wherever you decide to play this year.

Give me a break ,you really need a reality check.The first year kids are 8 9 10 years old ,you have no idea what type of player they will develop into.Every club is getting better kids trying out young because kids are staring earlier and the sport is growing.

My experience is you can easily spot talent at this age. Will puberty spring a few kids? yeah, will other athletic kids start later and rise straight to the top? Yes. But I have seen this with all my kids in all the sports they play and it repeats itself over and over with only a few kids as exceptions, so yes you can definitaly spot athelets and talent at this age. Most either have "it" or not. "It" canot be taught or trained, it is inside the kid. If your daughter has been playing on average as long as others her age and your waiting for her to develope into that high level standout, you very well may be dissappointed, but it does happen in a blue moon, good luck.

What a complete tool. Any parent who has any lacrosse knowledge or a descent coach can take a kid who is average athletically and make them into one of the better players in this age group.Over half the kids that make the black team will not be on that team by the time they are in 9 grade.The team a year older has kids who are more athletic and were more advanced at the same age, matter of fact the best 2020 player is on the 2019 probably because the coaches realize that younger group needs a lot of work and she would have no one of equal ability.My experience is that blow hards like you usually have no idea what they are talking about and their kids either burn out or are average at best.

So your rant all started from these points that you feel are not reality:

1) The first year teams are attracting better and better talent each year.
>I've been with the club from the start and this is very true, every year the number and talent of the girls at tryouts increases.
2) It is getting more competitive and harder to make the black team each year.
>obviously this is true, more and better girls trying out = harder to get roster spot.
3) Club is building strong base at the younger team level.
>time will tell on that, but it sure looks like it.
4) The foot in the door by starting young is disappearing.
> with more and more kids and talent showing up each year this is also easy to see.

The only thing I can come up with here is that your daughter plays for a TG team and it is not her first year and you are overly competitive and will not accept the thought that the talent coming in could possibly be better than your daughters team. Another good guess from your comments is she plays on 2019, so this reaction does not suprise me because I have read all the thoughts and comment about this team from last year. Its been clearly documented that many of the parent from this team feel this was the best team ever to be put together in the history of travel lacrosse. Even if your daughter is not on that team, the general point that has you rattled is that TG is attracting more and better talent each year, well its not a personal jab at your daughter and her team, its a blanket statement that if you took a poll from people who have been involved with the club for several years, you would find most everyone would agree.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw the 2020 black roster! I only know a few of the girls but I'm sure it's going to be a good team! So congrats to all the girls and we are looking forward to a great season!

The first year teams at TG seems to attract better and better players each year, it is very competitive and getting much harder to break into on black and even on purple. The club is without a doubt building a very strong base with the quality of the younger teams. The days of starting young to get a foot in the door are now gone with this club. Good luck to all the girls who made it. To all the other girls, keep working hard and have another crack at it next year and good luck to you wherever you decide to play this year.

Give me a break ,you really need a reality check.The first year kids are 8 9 10 years old ,you have no idea what type of player they will develop into.Every club is getting better kids trying out young because kids are staring earlier and the sport is growing.

My experience is you can easily spot talent at this age. Will puberty spring a few kids? yeah, will other athletic kids start later and rise straight to the top? Yes. But I have seen this with all my kids in all the sports they play and it repeats itself over and over with only a few kids as exceptions, so yes you can definitaly spot athelets and talent at this age. Most either have "it" or not. "It" canot be taYught or trained, it is inside the kid. If your daughter has been playing on average as long as others her age and your waiting for her to develope into that high level standout, you very well may be dissappointed, but it does happen in a blue moon, good luck.

What a complete tool. Any parent who has any lacrosse knowledge or a descent coach can take a kid who is average athletically and make them into one of the better players in this age group.Over half the kids that make the black team will not be on that team by the time they are in 9 grade.The team a year older has kids who are more athletic and were more advanced at the same age, matter of fact the best 2020 player is on the 2019 probably because the coaches realize that younger group needs a lot of work and she would have no one of equal ability.My experience is that blow hards like you usually have no idea what they are talking about and their kids either burn out or are average at best.

Come on - is it really necessary to rip this team apart before they have even had a chance to play together? Many of these kids are young and this is their first time playing travel lax.

Exactly my point but you have no problem with the parent of one of the kids on the team acting as if he is the greatest talent scout ,stating most either have it or not blah blah blah,get over yourself and I feel bad for his daughter if that is what he is telling her.You should be very Leary with parents like that on your child's team probably the same moron who felt he could pick and choose the better kids to play in the Hofstra tourney.

Goals win games DEFENSE wins Championships

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably a stupid question I am sure, what are the numbers before the kids' names? Are they numbers they wore during tryouts?

Those are their jersey numbers.

Randomly assigned? Not that it matters

Do they not take uniform # requests from the girls? If so, that's a little strange, but a minor detail...anybody know?

Nope you get what you get

arzdzf

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here's a summar of 2017, with 15 new players:
Purple - 11 returning, 4 moved from black, 9 new
Black - 18 returning, 1 moved from purple, 6 new

26 on the roster does not make this parent happy. It was difficult last year with a smaller team getting playing time. Big question is who will be forced to play defense, hope it's not my kid.

I was in this spot 2 years ago, with alot of girls all playing middie, my daughter played alot of defense, luckily she was able to continue to improve and has worked her way up to a top middie line. It can happen for you if you respect the process, its not easy and won't get easier as she gets older. the kids have to work hard and commit themselves, lots of wall ball and bringing a stick with them everywhere. Good luck, be positive, work with her to get better. Have a catch

Interesting to see what 2017 Black will bring this summer !
Some new studs added to roster but Still have some long time players who never excelled That i guess comes from loyalty to some of the parents who brown it up to the coach 24/7 and have been there from the start .explains why ... this is especially the fact on their defensive end of squad !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting to see what 2017 Black will bring this summer !
Some new studs added to roster but Still have some long time players who never excelled That i guess comes from loyalty to some of the parents who brown it up to the coach 24/7 and have been there from the start .explains why ... this is especially the fact on their defensive end of squad !

Looks like The Islips will have to chase BS around even more with all the new middie/attack pickups! See you on the fields!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw the 2020 black roster! I only know a few of the girls but I'm sure it's going to be a good team! So congrats to all the girls and we are looking forward to a great season!

The first year teams at TG seems to attract better and better players each year, it is very competitive and getting much harder to break into on black and even on purple. The club is without a doubt building a very strong base with the quality of the younger teams. The days of starting young to get a foot in the door are now gone with this club. Good luck to all the girls who made it. To all the other girls, keep working hard and have another crack at it next year and good luck to you wherever you decide to play this year.

Give me a break ,you really need a reality check.The first year kids are 8 9 10 years old ,you have no idea what type of player they will develop into.Every club is getting better kids trying out young because kids are staring earlier and the sport is growing.

My experience is you can easily spot talent at this age. Will puberty spring a few kids? yeah, will other athletic kids start later and rise straight to the top? Yes. But I have seen this with all my kids in all the sports they play and it repeats itself over and over with only a few kids as exceptions, so yes you can definitaly spot athelets and talent at this age. Most either have "it" or not. "It" canot be taught or trained, it is inside the kid. If your daughter has been playing on average as long as others her age and your waiting for her to develope into that high level standout, you very well may be dissappointed, but it does happen in a blue moon, good luck.

What a complete tool. Any parent who has any lacrosse knowledge or a descent coach can take a kid who is average athletically and make them into one of the better players in this age group.Over half the kids that make the black team will not be on that team by the time they are in 9 grade.The team a year older has kids who are more athletic and were more advanced at the same age, matter of fact the best 2020 player is on the 2019 probably because the coaches realize that younger group needs a lot of work and she would have no one of equal ability.My experience is that blow hards like you usually have no idea what they are talking about and their kids either burn out or are average at best.

So your rant all started from these points that you feel are not reality:

1) The first year teams are attracting better and better talent each year.
>I've been with the club from the start and this is very true, every year the number and talent of the girls at tryouts increases.
2) It is getting more competitive and harder to make the black team each year.
>obviously this is true, more and better girls trying out = harder to get roster spot.
3) Club is building strong base at the younger team level.
>time will tell on that, but it sure looks like it.
4) The foot in the door by starting young is disappearing.
> with more and more kids and talent showing up each year this is also easy to see.

The only thing I can come up with here is that your daughter plays for a TG team and it is not her first year and you are overly competitive and will not accept the thought that the talent coming in could possibly be better than your daughters team. Another good guess from your comments is she plays on 2019, so this reaction does not suprise me because I have read all the thoughts and comment about this team from last year. Its been clearly documented that many of the parent from this team feel this was the best team ever to be put together in the history of travel lacrosse. Even if your daughter is not on that team, the general point that has you rattled is that TG is attracting more and better talent each year, well its not a personal jab at your daughter and her team, its a blanket statement that if you took a poll from people who have been involved with the club for several years, you would find most everyone would agree.

the reality is that 3-4 years ago ther4e was no option other than yj for most suffolk cpunty girls, when tg started it wasn't going to be easy to find older girls who had been playing together for 3-4 years to leave there team, that is not the case with the younger age groups, couple this with the fact that tg has closed the gap very quickly (and people are tiring of the yj act) the trend should continue

Actually my problem is with the most either have it or not it cannot be taught or trained when you are talking about 2020 kids is just ignorant. My experience with parents like you is they are usually compensating for a child who is average at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually my problem is with the most either have it or not it cannot be taught or trained when you are talking about 2020 kids is just ignorant. My experience with parents like you is they are usually compensating for a child who is average at best.

I am a 2015 parent and honestly all the back and forth concerning the younger teams is embarrassing to you posters as individuals and to the club. Keep in mind that a lot of it is started by the same couple of people, some of whom are not TG members. Let it go and wait for the summer to come and have some class along the way...our kids will appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Keep in mind that a lot of it is started by the same couple of people, some of whom are not TG members.

The number of participants in this discussion is much larger than you would believe - several dozen.

Truth hurts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does a girl that went through major knee surgery, hasn't played in a year, and did not take the field during try outs make it onto a black team? If that is not the antithesis of favoritism and totally unfair I don't know what is. shame on you Shannon for allowing that to happen under your name. Totally unfair to the girls that tried out and gave there all.

If the player was a black team player before the injury, exactly where could the player be placed now? One additional player in these cases does not cost anyone a placing if they themselves were qualified.

Think of it this way : on a 22 player roster, if your daughter missed the black team and you are saying it was due to a returning player off an injury, doesn't that mean your daughter would have been the very last choice?

Of course it cost a girl a roster spot, even if she was the last girl to make the team she deserves the shot to prove herself. And no sage she didn't play last year in any capacity on any team. She should have been put on purple until SHE can prove that she can play at that level after taking a full year off. The girl that now is on purple, wether the last girl chosen or not got robbed and deserves the shot. But being from E.I. has it's advantages.

Didn't "that girl" as you say try out? Is it possible the returning girl is better? It's also pretty lame to call out a child and be anonymous while doing it. You are wrong and quite socialist minded. The roster move was correct.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Keep in mind that a lot of it is started by the same couple of people, some of whom are not TG members.

The number of participants in this discussion is much larger than you would believe - several dozen.

That's great but we don't know who they are. If they are TG parents they should remember to be respectful and on point. If not then we become just like some of the clubs we left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually my problem is with the most either have it or not it cannot be taught or trained when you are talking about 2020 kids is just ignorant. My experience with parents like you is they are usually compensating for a child who is average at best.

You do have a point here, it's hard to know if some of the girls this age have been playing for 5 and 6 years and look good because of that. Some started playing 6 months ago and are as good as the trained kids already. those are the it girls, but without a knowledge of how and were they have been in the past, its hard to know. It is just like students in class, two A students, one has to work really, really hard and the other just has to show up for the test. One has it the other needs to work at it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Truth hurts.

What are you talking about? Complete sentences are a good starting point. Also how about some background? Do you have a kid on a team? Try your hardest to be civil.

Lol
Funny I think most know specifically of one family from point who fits this category !
Never accumalated much in performance and plained out in her game , but yet still stays on team on account of friendship with coaches family , Politics you cannot run from in this instance .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting to see what 2017 Black will bring this summer !
Some new studs added to roster but Still have some long time players who never excelled That i guess comes from loyalty to some of the parents who brown it up to the coach 24/7 and have been there from the start .explains why ... this is especially the fact on their defensive end of squad !

It seems CRAZY to me that most of this nonsense about the younger team started from a NICE post wishing them well! How petty and completely ridiculous! These girls are young- give them time to develop before you start judging them! All kids develop at different rates (this goes for the older girls as well).

Hi,

WOW, I just jumped on tonight because I heard the rosters were posted. I was happy to see the positive posts about the 2020 teams . I am also saddened to hear all of the negative conversations about 9 and 10 year olds and there parents.

Let me put the information that I know as fact in reguards to the 2020 TG team that was entered into the Hofstra tournament. The father that entered the team IMO had nothing but good intentions and nothing was done to slight any of the other FAMILIES from the 2020 Black team. Yes I said FAMILIES because I know we will spend countless hours over the next 10 months together forming friendships and relationships for the good of our children.

It is from those friendships that the Hofstra team was put together. My daughter played on the 2019 Purple team last summer. It was there that friendships were created. Three of the girls that played Purple were fortunate enough to make the Black. As the emails went out for invitations to the 2020 Black we exchanged congradulations to the KIDS for their accomplishments.

Now having played and practices side by side all of last year with the 2019 Black team many friendships were made young and old. Last years Black team had at least seven (I may be off by one) 4th graders playing "up" . The father simply reached out to the group of girls that played last year on the two teams because we all knew each other.

Not too long after the emails went out my daughter was asked if she wanted to keep her stick in her hand and play in the Hofstra fundraiser tournament. Please keep in mind that this is a parent going out of his way to volunteer his time to coordinate putting a group of 9&10 year old friends together to help Support Shannon Smith in her first year as a D 1 Head Coach.

By no means do I think for a second that my daughter is one of the "golden children" asked to play. She was mearly a kid that got together with a group of friends and played on a Saturday in the Fall. Was the decision to play as a TG team a mistake ? I guess so ! I do know that it was not done to hurt any 9 & 10 year olds feelings .I am sure that when indoor starts the girls will all find there place on the team . I know from my experience last year they all started off scared and shy and by the end of the season in July they were best friends begging to have sleep overs in the hotels!

We all have our kids best intentions in mind when we agreed to allow them to play on the TG team in the tournament.I know I did. There are many more tornaments in the fall. Perhaps a phone call to Bill Smith would go a long way as far as giving every roster spot a shot at playing together! The more the better in my opinion. if all 24 girls are interested two teams of twelve can be made!

I hope this subject can be put to bed and better time can be put into help create a TEAM BOND that will grow as the years pass and our girls develop as athletes and young ladies. I have a daughter starting her 3rd year on the 2015 Purple team and have seen the girls grow as players and human beings I hope we all can say the same for this group of girls but it all starts from US the PARENTS. A little communication will go a long way so lets get together with Bill and see if we can get everyone from the 2020 Black roster involved in the next Hofstra tournament!

I look forward to meeting all of you as the team gets together this winter! I hope you all feel the same. If this team is anything like last years 5th grade Black team we are in for a very talanted group of girls playing a game that THEY love to play. If we can put all of this drama to bed now and keep it to ourselves and not allow it to become something the girls are involved in the potential for great things is there.

Good Night, Jim Lang

My daughter has played for the 2015 Purple team for the last two years . last year I believe Seven girls were invited back to play from last season out of the 24 roster spots. One girl moved up to black and 16 didnt return. i may be off by one or two sorry wasn't studying the rosters. i also belive in year two we picked up another 2 players that were moved down from Black. that second year team went from playing very close games in the summer of 2011 yet never making a playoff round... this past season they were in every game played and went to the finals in one tournament and lost by a goal to a team that ruffed them up badly in one of the earlier tourmnaments. Turnover happens as the teams grow and the tryouts get more competetive as the teams evolve. I know that the Smith Family has stated their goal is to have two A teams in all age groups . I did notice that a few new girls are on Purple Roster and the girls that are not there were very good players and will be missed. So to answer your question as the teams get older the black teams seams to get tweeked here and there and the purple team ( in my daughters age group 2015) has had significant turnover with I think only 5 or 6 of the original rostered players from 2011 are still on the team!
jim lang

Jim,

Very well said. At the time of the Hofstra tournament, only the kids that played together last year on either of the 2019 teams or kids that played in the same town programs were known entities of who would be on the TG 2020 Black team. Several kids were already committed to playing on a separate team "Lady Rebels" when this team was entered into that tournament. All of the girls that will be on the 2020 team got together before and after the game cheering each other on, catching up from the summer and even wishing one of the girls a happy birthday. So, for anyone to think that there was anomosity between the girls is completely wrong.

At the end of the day, we all have options to play for whatever program we choose to have our kids try out for.

Yes, tournament teams have become very competitive
Yes, there is competition between programs
Yes, kids at this age develop at different timess

Let's allow the kids to build friendships, play lacrosse at a competitive level and develop as great scholar athletes. We are all part of a Long Islanda Lacrosse family, like it or not. We should be focused on making sure that Long Island teams are well represented and be proud when we complete across the east coast. We would be much better served teaching our kids this amazing game rather than tear each other apart on this web site or any other for that matter.

Mike Natoli

Nice post Jim and I give you all the credit in the world for putting your name out there .That being said you when you state something as fact you should at least make sure you are correct. Stating that nothing was done to slight any of the other families from 2020 is completely wrong.He did slight some of the new families when some of the new kids were asked to play under the 2020 banner but not all.If you cannot see this as being a slight then I am not sure you will see anything as a slight. It is over and hopefully put behind but to keep insisting that not inviting all then calling the team TG 2020 is not a slight to those not asked is in itself a slight.Now to have one of those parents coming on hear saying he can pick out the future talented players and the kids either have it or they don't just adds to the feeling that this team has some parents that should get a reality check.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hi,

WOW, I just jumped on tonight because I heard the rosters were posted. I was happy to see the positive posts about the 2020 teams . I am also saddened to hear all of the negative conversations about 9 and 10 year olds and there parents.

Let me put the information that I know as fact in reguards to the 2020 TG team that was entered into the Hofstra tournament. The father that entered the team IMO had nothing but good intentions and nothing was done to slight any of the other FAMILIES from the 2020 Black team. Yes I said FAMILIES because I know we will spend countless hours over the next 10 months together forming friendships and relationships for the good of our children.

It is from those friendships that the Hofstra team was put together. My daughter played on the 2019 Purple team last summer. It was there that friendships were created. Three of the girls that played Purple were fortunate enough to make the Black. As the emails went out for invitations to the 2020 Black we exchanged congradulations to the KIDS for their accomplishments.

Now having played and practices side by side all of last year with the 2019 Black team many friendships were made young and old. Last years Black team had at least seven (I may be off by one) 4th graders playing "up" . The father simply reached out to the group of girls that played last year on the two teams because we all knew each other.

Not too long after the emails went out my daughter was asked if she wanted to keep her stick in her hand and play in the Hofstra fundraiser tournament. Please keep in mind that this is a parent going out of his way to volunteer his time to coordinate putting a group of 9&10 year old friends together to help Support Shannon Smith in her first year as a D 1 Head Coach.

By no means do I think for a second that my daughter is one of the "golden children" asked to play. She was mearly a kid that got together with a group of friends and played on a Saturday in the Fall. Was the decision to play as a TG team a mistake ? I guess so ! I do know that it was not done to hurt any 9 & 10 year olds feelings .I am sure that when indoor starts the girls will all find there place on the team . I know from my experience last year they all started off scared and shy and by the end of the season in July they were best friends begging to have sleep overs in the hotels!

We all have our kids best intentions in mind when we agreed to allow them to play on the TG team in the tournament.I know I did. There are many more tornaments in the fall. Perhaps a phone call to Bill Smith would go a long way as far as giving every roster spot a shot at playing together! The more the better in my opinion. if all 24 girls are interested two teams of twelve can be made!

I hope this subject can be put to bed and better time can be put into help create a TEAM BOND that will grow as the years pass and our girls develop as athletes and young ladies. I have a daughter starting her 3rd year on the 2015 Purple team and have seen the girls grow as players and human beings I hope we all can say the same for this group of girls but it all starts from US the PARENTS. A little communication will go a long way so lets get together with Bill and see if we can get everyone from the 2020 Black roster involved in the next Hofstra tournament!

I look forward to meeting all of you as the team gets together this winter! I hope you all feel the same. If this team is anything like last years 5th grade Black team we are in for a very talanted group of girls playing a game that THEY love to play. If we can put all of this drama to bed now and keep it to ourselves and not allow it to become something the girls are involved in the potential for great things is there.

Good Night, Jim Lang

Excellent post Jim. It may need to be reposted frequently as the focus shifts.

I truely understand that feeling were hurt here and if families were slighted it should be fixed. I would also hope that there wasnt any other motive behind any of it. I do think it was a great opportunity for the group that played and I agree that everyone should get that chance. My post was a discription of the facts that I knew( correct to me) from my interactions with my daughter being asked to play( I dont know about any other interactions that went on). I look forward to our daughters playing together representing the 2020 Black hopefully for a long time! The talent for the 2020 black has been chosen by the program that we as parents are paying for. To say one 9 year old is better than the other is not for any of us to discuss that is why we are paying TG. If you have any other thoughts or ideas about fixing this for the girls PLEASE reach out to B S (he has my cell). I think with a little communication this can all be fixed so we can all move forward together so the KIDS can get on the field without us and start doing what they love to do!
Jim Lang

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jim,

Very well said. At the time of the Hofstra tournament, only the kids that played together last year on either of the 2019 teams or kids that played in the same town programs were known entities of who would be on the TG 2020 Black team. Several kids were already committed to playing on a separate team "Lady Rebels" when this team was entered into that tournament. All of the girls that will be on the 2020 team got together before and after the game cheering each other on, catching up from the summer and even wishing one of the girls a happy birthday. So, for anyone to think that there was anomosity between the girls is completely wrong.

At the end of the day, we all have options to play for whatever program we choose to have our kids try out for.

Yes, tournament teams have become very competitive
Yes, there is competition between programs
Yes, kids at this age develop at different timess

Let's allow the kids to build friendships, play lacrosse at a competitive level and develop as great scholar athletes. We are all part of a Long Islanda Lacrosse family, like it or not. We should be focused on making sure that Long Island teams are well represented and be proud when we complete across the east coast. We would be much better served teaching our kids this amazing game rather than tear each other apart on this web site or any other for that matter.

Mike Natoli

Yes the kids and parents should move on but stop distorting the facts.If the way you went about entering this team was right way to go about it you would not need to be making stuff up.Curious how do you know several of the kids were already committed to play for another team, did you ask them to play ?

i am a TG parent. I respect the club, coaches, girls and the parents. Its our club! What a shame a few parents ruin things. Let the girls play and stop blaming your own club. Go play for another organization and only then will those people realize what they had in TG program.

My daughter plays for the Lady Rebels and had lots of fun playing at Hofstra- She didn't blink and eye about playing against the 2020 Black team which included the girls she will be playing with next season. I didn't bring it up and she didn't notice. She loves the girls she played with and against and I am sure if she continues to play there will be times that her teamates are on different teams. I have three older boys as well and can say for sure that it is the parent's job to give their child a healthy approach to competition and sports. I am looking forward to getting to know the entire TG family next year and I know my daughter is too. I think we should move on in a positive way from here. I know many who agree. Dawn Thomas

What you see here is a pile of stand up parents coming out with support for this team and stamping a name to it. That's impressive. What many of you reading this must understand is that these anonymous boards can be a nasty place and much of the crap is from people from outside the organization looking to fan the flames.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jim,

Very well said. At the time of the Hofstra tournament, only the kids that played together last year on either of the 2019 teams or kids that played in the same town programs were known entities of who would be on the TG 2020 Black team. Several kids were already committed to playing on a separate team "Lady Rebels" when this team was entered into that tournament. All of the girls that will be on the 2020 team got together before and after the game cheering each other on, catching up from the summer and even wishing one of the girls a happy birthday. So, for anyone to think that there was anomosity between the girls is completely wrong.

At the end of the day, we all have options to play for whatever program we choose to have our kids try out for.

Yes, tournament teams have become very competitive
Yes, there is competition between programs
Yes, kids at this age develop at different timess

Let's allow the kids to build friendships, play lacrosse at a competitive level and develop as great scholar athletes. We are all part of a Long Islanda Lacrosse family, like it or not. We should be focused on making sure that Long Island teams are well represented and be proud when we complete across the east coast. We would be much better served teaching our kids this amazing game rather than tear each other apart on this web site or any other for that matter.

Mike Natoli

Yes the kids and parents should move on but stop distorting the facts.If the way you went about entering this team was right way to go about it you would not need to be making stuff up.Curious how do you know several of the kids were already committed to play for another team, did you ask them to play ?

Stop whinning already and let it go. If it was such a big deal to you you should have contacted the Smith's with your concerns and things probably would have been rectified to your liking, instead you chooose to spew all this nonesens and engage in character asassinations of good people. Being part of a team is like being part of a family, there will always be hiccups, but they should always be handled in house.

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I know it's early but are the TG's going to do the Syracuse tournament again, or look for a different one to attend?

Glad to see that attention is being paid to the rosters from this top club.

Could not agree more with the attention being paid to this top rate club. Well deserved.

I believe look for a different one

I'm new to the club. Was looking forward to visiting with family upstate while doing the Syracuse Tournament. Any reason why they wouldn't be doing this tournament again?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Glad to see that attention is being paid to the rosters from this top club.

I'm not sure I get your comment. Why wouldn't people pay attention to the roster their daughter plays on?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know it's early but are the TG's going to do the Syracuse tournament again, or look for a different one to attend?

I like the Syracuse tournament, not so much the drive though. The one to dump is the Delaware tournament. The parking pass issue is a joke, the hotels that the tournament sponsers assign, stink. You get back from fields late and they rent your room out from under you. Then you have a million yj teams there and no games scheduled between yj and tg. They should drop that one and go back to best of the beach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know it's early but are the TG's going to do the Syracuse tournament again, or look for a different one to attend?

I like the Syracuse tournament, not so much the drive though. The one to dump is the Delaware tournament. The parking pass issue is a joke, the hotels that the tournament sponsers assign, stink. You get back from fields late and they rent your room out from under you. Then you have a million yj teams there and no games scheduled between yj and tg. They should drop that one and go back to best of the beach.

I agree. Big fan of Best of the Beach!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm new to the club. Was looking forward to visiting with family upstate while doing the Syracuse Tournament. Any reason why they wouldn't be doing this tournament again?

They will do a Hofstra tourny instead of Syracuse. The Syracuse one was not a ranked tourny and everyone hated the drive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm new to the club. Was looking forward to visiting with family upstate while doing the Syracuse Tournament. Any reason why they wouldn't be doing this tournament again?

Unlike the earlier poster, I prefer this drive because it isn't I95, no Belt Parkway, no tunnels, it's all cruise control past Westchester County.

That said, as a recruiting tournament there are mainly upstate coaches, I believe, so not particularly high profile. Actually, they changed the format this year so it isn't even a tournament, it's a showcase. Ie., no standings, no winners, just 25 minute games.

It was well-run aside from weather issues which no one can control, poor volunteers clean those port-a-potties a few times a day and the food vendors sell salt potatoes, a nice change from the usual.

You can tell sage cage is a TG parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can tell sage cage is a TG parent

Really, how so?

You keep changing posts to favor TG and not posting the way they are written

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You keep changing posts to favor TG and not posting the way they are written

So, to make this more clear to you:

(a) CageSage is not a lacrosse parent.

(b) Posts were changed? Could it have had anything to do with the language being used? Think about it. BOTC has no dog in the Top Guns battle.

(c) Become a registered user - you can say whatever you'd like.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What you see here is a pile of stand up parents coming out with support for this team and stamping a name to it. That's impressive. What many of you reading this must understand is that these anonymous boards can be a nasty place and much of the crap is from people from outside the organization looking to fan the flames.

It's a pile of something ,so strange that even the parents who had a problem with the way things were done are now afraid to stand up for doing things the correct way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What you see here is a pile of stand up parents coming out with support for this team and stamping a name to it. That's impressive. What many of you reading this must understand is that these anonymous boards can be a nasty place and much of the crap is from people from outside the organization looking to fan the flames.

It's a pile of something ,so strange that even the parents who had a problem with the way things were done are now afraid to stand up for doing things the correct way.

I'm thinking it was more parents not from this team, not from this club, who were making noise. My daughter is on this team and I completely get it, no big deal. It's so sad to see people like you, on here trying to get emotions stirred up when obviously you have no daughter on team or you would be standing up for doing things the correct way. Just wondering what motivates a person like you. Sometimes I just wonder about this sport, some of the parents you run into are nuts, I love the sport, just not "some" of the parents.

What planet are you on if you can't make it on YJ then you go to TG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What planet are you on if you can't make it on YJ then you go to TG

Huh??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What planet are you on if you can't make it on YJ then you go to TG

Actually, it's becoming the exact opposite...tryout for TG in August. If you don't make the team you were hoping for, go to YJ in October, and take what they offer. And there's nothing wrong with that. Overall they're the best two programs on L.I. Go with what's best for your daughter, and be happy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What planet are you on if you can't make it on YJ then you go to TG

Actually, it's becoming the exact opposite...tryout for TG in August. If you don't make the team you were hoping for, go to YJ in October, and take what they offer. And there's nothing wrong with that. Overall they're the best two programs on L.I. Go with what's best for your daughter, and be happy.

You should have at least one team win a significant tournament ie national championship type tournaments before you start declaring yourself one of the top programs in the nation

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What planet are you on if you can't make it on YJ then you go to TG

Actually, it's becoming the exact opposite...tryout for TG in August. If you don't make the team you were hoping for, go to YJ in October, and take what they offer. And there's nothing wrong with that. Overall they're the best two programs on L.I. Go with what's best for your daughter, and be happy.

You should have at least one team win a significant tournament ie national championship type tournaments before you start declaring yourself one of the top programs in the nation

I said one of best on LI. It's not all about national championships...young girls learning the game, getting solid coaching, playing competitively, learning important life lessons, and by the way - the overall experience, building friendships, and having fun is also important.

My daughter went to Team 91 tryout yesterday. She played on a local team that traveled and had a terrible experience, and did not make Tog Guns. I have to say it was a blessing in disguise! The young ladies that ran the tryouts were wonderful with the girls. No egos-all instruction and making small corrections that made the girls feel more confident, lots of compliments given. For $1300 you get Northwestern coaches, tournaments, back pack, under armour practice shirt/shorts and a beautiful reversable uniform with the players name on the back. As a former coach of both boys/girls I can tell you when girls look better they play better, and no player should have any part of a uniform peel off throughout the season regardless of team.
The pool was not large to chose from but there was quite a bit of talent. Hoping my kid makes it, if she doesn't kudos for an extremely well done practice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What planet are you on if you can't make it on YJ then you go to TG

Actually, it's becoming the exact opposite...tryout for TG in August. If you don't make the team you were hoping for, go to YJ in October, and take what they offer. And there's nothing wrong with that. Overall they're the best two programs on L.I. Go with what's best for your daughter, and be happy.

You should have at least one team win a significant tournament ie national championship type tournaments before you start declaring yourself one of the top programs in the nation

This poster did say on long Island , and as far as National championships go thats just a silly statement on your part. It was a good experience, and I am glad my daughter had a chance to attend, but the truth is that it is far from a real national championship. Most of the best teams , up until now haven't even entered the qualifying rounds, and there was no qualifying rounds in the to biggest hot beds of L.Il. and MD. until all the top clubs are competing for that crown it is just a fun experience . We all know your a Y.J. parent or player so let me say this, as soon as one of the better MD. clubs came along they beat you two of your teams easily . As a matter of fact you were not able to beat S.W. at any point during the summer with any team, something Top Guns did. nor were you able to beat MD, so stop tooting your horn so loudly, your not the best club in the nation either, and soon not to be the best club on long Island either. There are lots of Y.J.s at other club try outs looking to jump because of your lousy antics on and off the field. And by the way My daughter plays for neither T.G. nor Y.J. so i have no dog in this fight. Let me end my little soliloquy with this . I assume you bring up national championships up because you are in the older age groups, and we all shell out all this money so our daughters can get a toe hold in there chosen colleges, so the real question becomes: How much help are the directors of each club giving there players towards that end. After 3,4,5 years of dues ,hats, bags , bee laden billboard shirts meant to publicize some one else's business endeavor through your wallet, years of protecting the good name of Carol Rose , Shannon Smith, or Steve levy, how much work are these people putting in to help your daughter get to there dream, or do they have there hand out for more?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter went to Team 91 tryout yesterday. She played on a local team that traveled and had a terrible experience, and did not make Tog Guns. I have to say it was a blessing in disguise! The young ladies that ran the tryouts were wonderful with the girls. No egos-all instruction and making small corrections that made the girls feel more confident, lots of compliments given. For $1300 you get Northwestern coaches, tournaments, back pack, under armour practice shirt/shorts and a beautiful reversable uniform with the players name on the back. As a former coach of both boys/girls I can tell you when girls look better they play better, and no player should have any part of a uniform peel off throughout the season regardless of team.
The pool was not large to chose from but there was quite a bit of talent. Hoping my kid makes it, if she doesn't kudos for an extremely well done practice.

My daughter played for for 91 and I would recommend you run run as fast as you can! Extremely disorganized and VERY low commitment from players and parents!

Original post says why is so much attention being paid to TG when it's not even a top team. Their summer camp is a joke. Kids do not learn anything and staff spends most of the time marketing kids for their team. This is not loyal to current members and appears desperate maybe to fill some holes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Original post says why is so much attention being paid to TG when it's not even a top team. Their summer camp is a joke. Kids do not learn anything and staff spends most of the time marketing kids for their team. This is not loyal to current members and appears desperate maybe to fill some holes

I guess you're talking about 91....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What planet are you on if you can't make it on YJ then you go to TG

Actually, it's becoming the exact opposite...tryout for TG in August. If you don't make the team you were hoping for, go to YJ in October, and take what they offer. And there's nothing wrong with that. Overall they're the best two programs on L.I. Go with what's best for your daughter, and be happy.

You should have at least one team win a significant tournament ie national championship type tournaments before you start declaring yourself one of the top programs in the nation

This poster did say on long Island , and as far as National championships go thats just a silly statement on your part. It was a good experience, and I am glad my daughter had a chance to attend, but the truth is that it is far from a real national championship. Most of the best teams , up until now haven't even entered the qualifying rounds, and there was no qualifying rounds in the to biggest hot beds of L.Il. and MD. until all the top clubs are competing for that crown it is just a fun experience . We all know your a Y.J. parent or player so let me say this, as soon as one of the better MD. clubs came along they beat you two of your teams easily . As a matter of fact you were not able to beat S.W. at any point during the summer with any team, something Top Guns did. nor were you able to beat MD, so stop tooting your horn so loudly, your not the best club in the nation either, and soon not to be the best club on long Island either. There are lots of Y.J.s at other club try outs looking to jump because of your lousy antics on and off the field. And by the way My daughter plays for neither T.G. nor Y.J. so i have no dog in this fight. Let me end my little soliloquy with this . I assume you bring up national championships up because you are in the older age groups, and we all shell out all this money so our daughters can get a toe hold in there chosen colleges, so the real question becomes: How much help are the directors of each club giving there players towards that end. After 3,4,5 years of dues ,hats, bags , bee laden billboard shirts meant to publicize some one else's business endeavor through your wallet, years of protecting the good name of Carol Rose , Shannon Smith, or Steve levy, how much work are these people putting in to help your daughter get to there dream, or do they have there hand out for more?

Why ramble on when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.At least try to get your facts close to being true.Several YJ teams along with TG teams have defeated SW teams this year for starters.What the heck is a toe hold , you cannot even get an old cliche correct.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What planet are you on if you can't make it on YJ then you go to TG

Actually, it's becoming the exact opposite...tryout for TG in August. If you don't make the team you were hoping for, go to YJ in October, and take what they offer. And there's nothing wrong with that. Overall they're the best two programs on L.I. Go with what's best for your daughter, and be happy.

You should have at least one team win a significant tournament ie national championship type tournaments before you start declaring yourself one of the top programs in the nation

I said one of best on LI. It's not all about national championships...young girls learning the game, getting solid coaching, playing competitively, learning important life lessons, and by the way - the overall experience, building friendships, and having fun is also important.

You actually said YJ TG were the 2 best programs on LI. I think liberty may argue with you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What planet are you on if you can't make it on YJ then you go to TG

Actually, it's becoming the exact opposite...tryout for TG in August. If you don't make the team you were hoping for, go to YJ in October, and take what they offer. And there's nothing wrong with that. Overall they're the best two programs on L.I. Go with what's best for your daughter, and be happy.

You should have at least one team win a significant tournament ie national championship type tournaments before you start declaring yourself one of the top programs in the nation

I said one of best on LI. It's not all about national championships...young girls learning the game, getting solid coaching, playing competitively, learning important life lessons, and by the way - the overall experience, building friendships, and having fun is also important.

You actually said YJ TG were the 2 best programs on LI. I think liberty may argue with you.

Good point. I should have said two of the top programs on LI.

Sorry. Don't know where to post this. Just wondering if anyone thinks that the merger between BB n RC will have any impact in the upcoming summer lax season. Thx.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry. Don't know where to post this. Just wondering if anyone thinks that the merger between BB n RC will have any impact in the upcoming summer lax season. Thx.

This topic is being covered in the Long Island Beach Bums thread on the Tryouts Forum. The combination of the Beach Bums and Ripcurl (playing under the Beach Bums brand based on what we have been told) will allow for a more complete girls offering and allow eight to ten teams to be fielded with a deeper total talent set than trying to run these programs independently with four or five teams each.

I couldn't agree more!!!! From a parent of a top def player on LI

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What you see here is a pile of stand up parents coming out with support for this team and stamping a name to it. That's impressive. What many of you reading this must understand is that these anonymous boards can be a nasty place and much of the crap is from people from outside the organization looking to fan the flames.

It's a pile of something ,so strange that even the parents who had a problem with the way things were done are now afraid to stand up for doing things the correct way.

Was wondering if the whole 2020 team was asked to play this weekend now that official rosters are out.Before you start with the ----stirrer coments I actually would like to know so I can make decisions based on the facts surrounding these clubs.Thanks in advance.

New 2020 parent here. Glad I wasn't asked, my daughter had 2 soccer games, gymnastics meet and cheer practice. Hope all that played had a good time. She will have plenty of time to play Lax in the spring....see all then !!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New 2020 parent here. Glad I wasn't asked, my daughter had 2 soccer games, gymnastics meet and cheer practice. Hope all that played had a good time. She will have plenty of time to play Lax in the spring....see all then !!!!!

Thanks for making the choice clear.

Yikes! Talk about over scheduling. Just some advice from someone with older kids...you might want cut back a bit. Might even save a little $ while you are at it.

He was talking about this weekend in oakdale.

My child was not asked to original Hofstra tournament but was to the oakdale so I assume that everyone on the TG black was asked but do not know for sure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New 2020 parent here. Glad I wasn't asked, my daughter had 2 soccer games, gymnastics meet and cheer practice. Hope all that played had a good time. She will have plenty of time to play Lax in the spring....see all then !!!!!

I would have to say no to that simply because teams were entered weeks and weeks ago, rosters only recently came out. Plus rosters have the players names and not contact information. I have talked to many parents on this issue and haven't found anyone to have issue yet. The people who seem to have issues are the anonymous 5h!t stirrers on this thread who don't have kids on this team. If your daughter is on team and would like to play in these non club tournaments, your best bet is to reach out and contact person putting it together. If you don't know who that is, you can relate to your own situation, they don't know you yet either. Contact TG to find out, easily done. Lots of girls opt not to play with club team and go play on town or teams built just for individual tournaments. There is your other option. So if your daughter is sitting home this weekend, learn from it, be proactive to get her involved. Nothing much happens for people who sit around waiting for things to happen, go out and make it happen.

I don't want any one to think I am stirring the pot, or have any motivation other than wanting to watch some lacrosse. What tournament is happening in Oakdale, What days does it happen , where is it and what time does it start

My daughter is also on 2020 Black. I didn't hear anything about Oakdale until now. We are new to the TG club. We look forward to meeting everyone and having a fun upcoming season. Good luck this weekend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't want any one to think I am stirring the pot, or have any motivation other than wanting to watch some lacrosse. What tournament is happening in Oakdale, What days does it happen , where is it and what time does it start

Lax for hope. Google it. 7 v 7. Basically run by YJs with most all teams made up of split yj teams and age groups, with a few town and pick up teams. It's a pretty decent fall tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't want any one to think I am stirring the pot, or have any motivation other than wanting to watch some lacrosse. What tournament is happening in Oakdale, What days does it happen , where is it and what time does it start

Lax for hope. Google it. 7 v 7. Basically run by YJs with most all teams made up of split yj teams and age groups, with a few town and pick up teams. It's a pretty decent fall tournament.

thank you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't want any one to think I am stirring the pot, or have any motivation other than wanting to watch some lacrosse. What tournament is happening in Oakdale, What days does it happen , where is it and what time does it start

Lax for hope. Google it. 7 v 7. Basically run by YJs with most all teams made up of split yj teams and age groups, with a few town and pick up teams. It's a pretty decent fall tournament.

thank you

Last year, the Lax for Hope Tournament was covered here on BOTC in concert with the Yellow Jackets program. The tournament is for a great cause and BOTC covered this charity fund raiser fee-free. BOTC is a big supporter of this event and hopes to work with Lax for Hope on an upcoming event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New 2020 parent here. Glad I wasn't asked, my daughter had 2 soccer games, gymnastics meet and cheer practice. Hope all that played had a good time. She will have plenty of time to play Lax in the spring....see all then !!!!!

I would have to say no to that simply because teams were entered weeks and weeks ago, rosters only recently came out. Plus rosters have the players names and not contact information. I have talked to many parents on this issue and haven't found anyone to have issue yet. The people who seem to have issues are the anonymous 5h!t stirrers on this thread who don't have kids on this team. If your daughter is on team and would like to play in these non club tournaments, your best bet is to reach out and contact person putting it together. If you don't know who that is, you can relate to your own situation, they don't know you yet either. Contact TG to find out, easily done. Lots of girls opt not to play with club team and go play on town or teams built just for individual tournaments. There is your other option. So if your daughter is sitting home this weekend, learn from it, be proactive to get her involved. Nothing much happens for people who sit around waiting for things to happen, go out and make it happen.

I would say you are one of the parents who feels your kid is some elite player simply because it is not that hard to have kids added to your roster so if you wanted to you could have opened it up to all.Plus some of the new kids were called and asked to play and the person running this team( call them fake 2020 TG team) must have the actual roster with phone numbers because he has made calls to some of the kids.I also believe he has been contacted by some to try to include other kids and he said no thanks.My daughter will not be sitting at home because she is on an older TG team which would never exclude kids from their team like you and your group of delusional parents that think your kids are too good to play with the kids who as you guys say just don't have it.Your team is already a train wreck because of people like you.

A note to all TG families, especially these younger ones:
Please do assume that all the "others" out there that will be on this team, share the same anger, frustration or opinions of this one "anonymous" posting. Many of us have been following the thread and have chosen to stay out of it for a multitude of self evident reasons. 10 year olds are just that, ten years old. Let them play, make friends, get better and leave the check list of who has what, where and when out of it as it is both divisive and incendiary. Since misery loves company, many of us will be keeping to ourselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New 2020 parent here. Glad I wasn't asked, my daughter had 2 soccer games, gymnastics meet and cheer practice. Hope all that played had a good time. She will have plenty of time to play Lax in the spring....see all then !!!!!

Couldn't agree with you more. 5th graders have many other opportunities/sports/school/music and there will be time for Lax. As far as the usual parents who spend more time complaining on the computer.........GROW UP.....stand up and get off your computer and be proactive and arrange your own team and enter the tournament and have some FUN

Well said. I hope everyone realizes the reason of taking the least amount of girls, it is to win. That is the only reason. I have seen it with town teams excluding kids. Showing up with maybe 1 sub, facing a team of twenty (varying degrees of ability) and winning handily because at town level everyone plays. Just wondering if this is the same person doing this at tg. Yes you will win, but at what cost. Team harmony, i think not.

I agree. My daughter was also at 91 tryouts. New director for the girls program from Northwestern who was fabulous and informative. It looks like this team is going in the right direction!!! And would love for the chance for my daughter yo work with these coaches!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A note to all TG families, especially these younger ones:
Please do assume that all the "others" out there that will be on this team, share the same anger, frustration or opinions of this one "anonymous" posting. Many of us have been following the thread and have chosen to stay out of it for a multitude of self evident reasons. 10 year olds are just that, ten years old. Let them play, make friends, get better and leave the check list of who has what, where and when out of it as it is both divisive and incendiary. Since misery loves company, many of us will be keeping to ourselves.

You are hilarious ," many of us will be keeping to ourselves" and "have chosen to staybout of it " yet you just could not take your own advice .My question is why not open it up to the whole team and as you said " let them play, make friends, get better".Would it have killed these guys to play with all the kids on his their team even if they think the kid is of lesser ability than their little golden child.My kid is playing and yes if she were not I would have got a team together myself but what about the kid who does not have parents who would..How about the kid who may have a one parent household or the kid with parents who are too busy and yes how about the kid who might have a sick parent but still wanted to play.Why would you exclude any kid on the team ,the only reason I can think of is because you only care about your kid.At least stop calling yourself TG 2020 because you are not ,even the YJ teams make up names when it is not the actual team.

Which team are you referring to?
Been hearing from a few people we know that the talent was impressive this past weekend ,everything from yellow jackets , Top Guns, and top school programs , the new director has her name all over the 91 girls program for a 360 turnaround.
Although we are currently on Top Guns , lots of luck to the program we are looking forward to hopefully seeing another NorthWestern success story from a Alumni.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. My daughter was also at 91 tryouts. New director for the girls program from Northwestern who was fabulous and informative. It looks like this team is going in the right direction!!! And would love for the chance for my daughter yo work with these coaches!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A note to all TG families, especially these younger ones:
Please do assume that all the "others" out there that will be on this team, share the same anger, frustration or opinions of this one "anonymous" posting. Many of us have been following the thread and have chosen to stay out of it for a multitude of self evident reasons. 10 year olds are just that, ten years old. Let them play, make friends, get better and leave the check list of who has what, where and when out of it as it is both divisive and incendiary. Since misery loves company, many of us will be keeping to ourselves.

You are hilarious ," many of us will be keeping to ourselves" and "have chosen to staybout of it " yet you just could not take your own advice .My question is why not open it up to the whole team and as you said " let them play, make friends, get better".Would it have killed these guys to play with all the kids on his their team even if they think the kid is of lesser ability than their little golden child.My kid is playing and yes if she were not I would have got a team together myself but what about the kid who does not have parents who would..How about the kid who may have a one parent household or the kid with parents who are too busy and yes how about the kid who might have a sick parent but still wanted to play.Why would you exclude any kid on the team ,the only reason I can think of is because you only care about your kid.At least stop calling yourself TG 2020 because you are not ,even the YJ teams make up names when it is not the actual team.

Maybe some kids weren't included because of their parents. Not everyone wants to deal with parental baggage. I have no horse in this race, think the whole thing is way overblown, but the people keeping this issue alive are the parents. Maybe whoever put the not-exactly-TG-but-TG team together didn't want to deal with the parents, and after all this whining on here I can see why.

And if you have such an issue with TG, why are you staying? Go. Go now when there are still other clubs for which to tryout.

Flame away.

Anyone know if 2017 will be fielding a team for the upcoming Hofstra tourny? New to the program and have not heard a word or received an email and it's getting close, just wanted to get my daughters calendar ready. Thabnk you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. My daughter was also at 91 tryouts. New director for the girls program from Northwestern who was fabulous and informative. It looks like this team is going in the right direction!!! And would love for the chance for my daughter yo work with these coaches!!

Was there also. I felt turnout was light (the older group had to fill two 2015 teams and a 2014 team). There did not seem to be enough girls for that to happen.

I hope that it all works out but realistically, 2014/2015 age groups are kind of finished at this point, 91 dropped the ball w/ these groups. 91 should focus their attention to the younger ages...

Good luck to both TG and 91 players!

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A note to all TG families, especially these younger ones:
Please do assume that all the "others" out there that will be on this team, share the same anger, frustration or opinions of this one "anonymous" posting. Many of us have been following the thread and have chosen to stay out of it for a multitude of self evident reasons. 10 year olds are just that, ten years old. Let them play, make friends, get better and leave the check list of who has what, where and when out of it as it is both divisive and incendiary. Since misery loves company, many of us will be keeping to ourselves.

You are hilarious ," many of us will be keeping to ourselves" and "have chosen to staybout of it " yet you just could not take your own advice .My question is why not open it up to the whole team and as you said " let them play, make friends, get better".Would it have killed these guys to play with all the kids on his their team even if they think the kid is of lesser ability than their little golden child.My kid is playing and yes if she were not I would have got a team together myself but what about the kid who does not have parents who would..How about the kid who may have a one parent household or the kid with parents who are too busy and yes how about the kid who might have a sick parent but still wanted to play.Why would you exclude any kid on the team ,the only reason I can think of is because you only care about your kid.At least stop calling yourself TG 2020 because you are not ,even the YJ teams make up names when it is not the actual team.

Maybe some kids weren't included because of their parents. Not everyone wants to deal with parental baggage. I have no horse in this race, think the whole thing is way overblown, but the people keeping this issue alive are the parents. Maybe whoever put the not-exactly-TG-but-TG team together didn't want to deal with the parents, and after all this whining on here I can see why.

And if you have such an issue with TG, why are you staying? Go. Go now when there are still other clubs for which to tryout.

Flame away.

Sorry Powder but your response is wrong here. Cannot possibly be the parents. There was no mingling of girls parents at tryouts to start blaming leaving kids home on them. Also, you must know ss and bs pretty well to start turning kids away from their program for them. Thx and good luck to all!!!

If you have not heard from them then maybe your daughter is not included in the clicky 2017 group that your daughter plays on. Sorry but thats how it was for us.
Such as past post about this team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know if 2017 will be fielding a team for the upcoming Hofstra tourny? New to the program and have not heard a word or received an email and it's getting close, just wanted to get my daughters calendar ready. Thabnk you.

I too am a new TG 2020 parent. We do not know anyone on our team and were not asked to play in any upcoming tournaments. With that said, I have decided to put a team in, consisting of my town team girls (mostly 5th & some 6th). If anyone else from 2020 would like to join us let me know. We would love to start meeting people from the TG family that we will be playing with eventually. Please no negative comments. Just trying to keep the girls playing and have some fun.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A note to all TG families, especially these younger ones:
Please do assume that all the "others" out there that will be on this team, share the same anger, frustration or opinions of this one "anonymous" posting. Many of us have been following the thread and have chosen to stay out of it for a multitude of self evident reasons. 10 year olds are just that, ten years old. Let them play, make friends, get better and leave the check list of who has what, where and when out of it as it is both divisive and incendiary. Since misery loves company, many of us will be keeping to ourselves.

You are hilarious ," many of us will be keeping to ourselves" and "have chosen to staybout of it " yet you just could not take your own advice .My question is why not open it up to the whole team and as you said " let them play, make friends, get better".Would it have killed these guys to play with all the kids on his their team even if they think the kid is of lesser ability than their little golden child.My kid is playing and yes if she were not I would have got a team together myself but what about the kid who does not have parents who would..How about the kid who may have a one parent household or the kid with parents who are too busy and yes how about the kid who might have a sick parent but still wanted to play.Why would you exclude any kid on the team ,the only reason I can think of is because you only care about your kid.At least stop calling yourself TG 2020 because you are not ,even the YJ teams make up names when it is not the actual team.

Maybe some kids weren't included because of their parents. Not everyone wants to deal with parental baggage. I have no horse in this race, think the whole thing is way overblown, but the people keeping this issue alive are the parents. Maybe whoever put the not-exactly-TG-but-TG team together didn't want to deal with the parents, and after all this whining on here I can see why.

And if you have such an issue with TG, why are you staying? Go. Go now when there are still other clubs for which to tryout.

Flame away.

Yeah that must be it he did not want to deal with parents who he has never met and knows nothing about, so why be nice and offer them an invitation to play with their team.This guy clearly knows more than Shannon Smith who obviously thought these kids were talented enough to make the black team and had no issues with their parents.Poor job by the organization as a whole letting some egomaniac and the sheep parents on his team take over a team and control who plays under the TG banner.By the way I am sure you have a horse in this race or you would see that in the end it is divisive for the team which I could not care less about because my kid does not play for them.My sons team went thru it many years ago and to this day still affects team dynamics.

give Bill Smith a call hus number is on every email he would be happy to put youy in touch with all of your teammates that are interested in playing.

I believe evry parent recieved an email from top guns informing them of the tournaments I am going to copy and paste the last line of it for you.........

The flyer is attached. Please go ahead and form teams on your own as it is a great way to keep the girls playing. Any further questions please let me know.

Bill Smith

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Long Island Top Guns
PO BOX 1627
West Babylon, NY 11704
Phone Number: 631 404 2621
Fax Number: 631 539 9830
www.litopguns.com

Cage. I understand powder is a friend of website, but nothing wrong with my post. It is heartfelt. Please reconsider posting it . Thank You

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know if 2017 will be fielding a team for the upcoming Hofstra tourny? New to the program and have not heard a word or received an email and it's getting close, just wanted to get my daughters calendar ready. Thabnk you.

Give Bill Smith a call, let him know you want in, I bet he finds a spot for you

havent heard anything yet played in the first tourney but did not here anything about this one yet.

Havent herd anything. Wondering what people think about a 25 player roster? Is that the standard amount for a club team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A note to all TG families, especially these younger ones:
Please do assume that all the "others" out there that will be on this team, share the same anger, frustration or opinions of this one "anonymous" posting. Many of us have been following the thread and have chosen to stay out of it for a multitude of self evident reasons. 10 year olds are just that, ten years old. Let them play, make friends, get better and leave the check list of who has what, where and when out of it as it is both divisive and incendiary. Since misery loves company, many of us will be keeping to ourselves.

You are hilarious ," many of us will be keeping to ourselves" and "have chosen to staybout of it " yet you just could not take your own advice .My question is why not open it up to the whole team and as you said " let them play, make friends, get better".Would it have killed these guys to play with all the kids on his their team even if they think the kid is of lesser ability than their little golden child.My kid is playing and yes if she were not I would have got a team together myself but what about the kid who does not have parents who would..How about the kid who may have a one parent household or the kid with parents who are too busy and yes how about the kid who might have a sick parent but still wanted to play.Why would you exclude any kid on the team ,the only reason I can think of is because you only care about your kid.At least stop calling yourself TG 2020 because you are not ,even the YJ teams make up names when it is not the actual team.

Carol go back to the YJ thread, i know it's quiet now, but there will be plenty of action once you have your tryouts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cage. I understand powder is a friend of website, but nothing wrong with my post. It is heartfelt. Please reconsider posting it . Thank You

BOTC has not held anything on this particular thread. Is your post on the board now?

Follow-up : yes, confirmed that your earlier posting is also available in this thread.

Yes. Sorry just a long delay. Bathroom break maybe? LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A note to all TG families, especially these younger ones:
Please do assume that all the "others" out there that will be on this team, share the same anger, frustration or opinions of this one "anonymous" posting. Many of us have been following the thread and have chosen to stay out of it for a multitude of self evident reasons. 10 year olds are just that, ten years old. Let them play, make friends, get better and leave the check list of who has what, where and when out of it as it is both divisive and incendiary. Since misery loves company, many of us will be keeping to ourselves.

You are hilarious ," many of us will be keeping to ourselves" and "have chosen to staybout of it " yet you just could not take your own advice .My question is why not open it up to the whole team and as you said " let them play, make friends, get better".Would it have killed these guys to play with all the kids on his their team even if they think the kid is of lesser ability than their little golden child.My kid is playing and yes if she were not I would have got a team together myself but what about the kid who does not have parents who would..How about the kid who may have a one parent household or the kid with parents who are too busy and yes how about the kid who might have a sick parent but still wanted to play.Why would you exclude any kid on the team ,the only reason I can think of is because you only care about your kid.At least stop calling yourself TG 2020 because you are not ,even the YJ teams make up names when it is not the actual team.

Carol go back to the YJ thread, i know it's quiet now, but there will be plenty of action once you have your tryouts

Why must you always add her or YJ. I can tell you one thing it's not CR

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Havent herd anything. Wondering what people think about a 25 player roster? Is that the standard amount for a club team?

The Hofstra Tournament is 7v7 plus a goalie, with a restraining line and 5v5 in the offensive end. Given those metrics, I believe 25 kids is too many. You could either go bare-bones, 10-kid minimum, which gives you only two substitutes, rather thin for six 25-minute games. With a 2-3-2 format, two to three lines of middies, two lines of attack/defenders and a goalie yields a 15-18 player team. A back-up goalie is also a good idea.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Havent herd anything. Wondering what people think about a 25 player roster? Is that the standard amount for a club team?

The Hofstra Tournament is 7v7 plus a goalie, with a restraining line and 5v5 in the offensive end. Given those metrics, I believe 25 kids is too many. You could either go bare-bones, 10-kid minimum, which gives you only two substitutes, rather thin for six 25-minute games. With a 2-3-2 format, two to three lines of middies, two lines of attack/defenders and a goalie yields a 15-18 player team. A back-up goalie is also a good idea.

My daughter is 2017 black and her friend is 2nd year purple. Neither of us has heard a thing about playing in upcoming tournament.

Yes. Unfortunatly 22-25 is the standard roster size. That is where the business side comes in. You will here standard excuses hot, not all go. All teams not just TG.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A note to all TG families, especially these younger ones:
Please do assume that all the "others" out there that will be on this team, share the same anger, frustration or opinions of this one "anonymous" posting. Many of us have been following the thread and have chosen to stay out of it for a multitude of self evident reasons. 10 year olds are just that, ten years old. Let them play, make friends, get better and leave the check list of who has what, where and when out of it as it is both divisive and incendiary. Since misery loves company, many of us will be keeping to ourselves.

You are hilarious ," many of us will be keeping to ourselves" and "have chosen to staybout of it " yet you just could not take your own advice .My question is why not open it up to the whole team and as you said " let them play, make friends, get better".Would it have killed these guys to play with all the kids on his their team even if they think the kid is of lesser ability than their little golden child.My kid is playing and yes if she were not I would have got a team together myself but what about the kid who does not have parents who would..How about the kid who may have a one parent household or the kid with parents who are too busy and yes how about the kid who might have a sick parent but still wanted to play.Why would you exclude any kid on the team ,the only reason I can think of is because you only care about your kid.At least stop calling yourself TG 2020 because you are not ,even the YJ teams make up names when it is not the actual team.

Maybe some kids weren't included because of their parents. Not everyone wants to deal with parental baggage. I have no horse in this race, think the whole thing is way overblown, but the people keeping this issue alive are the parents. Maybe whoever put the not-exactly-TG-but-TG team together didn't want to deal with the parents, and after all this whining on here I can see why.

And if you have such an issue with TG, why are you staying? Go. Go now when there are still other clubs for which to tryout.

Flame away.

Yeah that must be it he did not want to deal with parents who he has never met and knows nothing about, so why be nice and offer them an invitation to play with their team.This guy clearly knows more than Shannon Smith who obviously thought these kids were talented enough to make the black team and had no issues with their parents.Poor job by the organization as a whole letting some egomaniac and the sheep parents on his team take over a team and control who plays under the TG banner.By the way I am sure you have a horse in this race or you would see that in the end it is divisive for the team which I could not care less about because my kid does not play for them.My sons team went thru it many years ago and to this day still affects team dynamics.

Yeah, I realized after I posted, in haste, that if it's a new team perhaps the parents aren't known. My bad.

I also think that bringing it up again and again and again is not helpful though. It happened, it's over, address it with the people who did it and/or BS then let it end, please. I just can't see how stewing about it and posting anonymously here is useful. It is not resolving the issue or doing anything toward effecting a positive outcome. It's stirring the pot and letting something fester.

Call BS, get the parent who put together the team and call him/her and sort it out, then get back to us with the outcome.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

give Bill Smith a call hus number is on every email he would be happy to put youy in touch with all of your teammates that are interested in playing.

I believe evry parent recieved an email from top guns informing them of the tournaments I am going to copy and paste the last line of it for you.........

The flyer is attached. Please go ahead and form teams on your own as it is a great way to keep the girls playing. Any further questions please let me know.

Bill Smith

--
Long Island Top Guns
PO BOX 1627
West Babylon, NY 11704
Phone Number: 631 404 2621
Fax Number: 631 539 9830
www.litopguns.com

Yeah everyone in the entire club got this. Let me translate for anyone sitting home this weekend. TG is a summer tournament club. Included in tuition is the summer tournaments and team practices. TG are nice enough to enter all teams in indoor winter leagues, which is optional for players. That is it, done, no more, that's where it ends, that's what you get. Even any additional tournament the older girls go to is a sign on board or try out for team specifically built for a particular tournament like the disney deal. So here is the key words sent out. GO AHEAD AND FORM YOUR OWN TEAMS. So many of you new comers don't get this yet, you are on your own to get with some team somewhere somehow for any and all extra tournaments. Figure out who the parent coaches are and start kissing butt. If your not down with that, start your own team and invite whoever you want. Be careful though because your bound to upset someone and the next thing you know everyone will be on this thread tearing you apart.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

give Bill Smith a call hus number is on every email he would be happy to put youy in touch with all of your teammates that are interested in playing.

I believe evry parent recieved an email from top guns informing them of the tournaments I am going to copy and paste the last line of it for you.........

The flyer is attached. Please go ahead and form teams on your own as it is a great way to keep the girls playing. Any further questions please let me know.

Bill Smith

--
Long Island Top Guns
PO BOX 1627
West Babylon, NY 11704
Phone Number: 631 404 2621
Fax Number: 631 539 9830
www.litopguns.com

Yeah everyone in the entire club got this. Let me translate for anyone sitting home this weekend. TG is a summer tournament club. Included in tuition is the summer tournaments and team practices. TG are nice enough to enter all teams in indoor winter leagues, which is optional for players. That is it, done, no more, that's where it ends, that's what you get. Even any additional tournament the older girls go to is a sign on board or try out for team specifically built for a particular tournament like the disney deal. So here is the key words sent out. GO AHEAD AND FORM YOUR OWN TEAMS. So many of you new comers don't get this yet, you are on your own to get with some team somewhere somehow for any and all extra tournaments. Figure out who the parent coaches are and start kissing butt. If your not down with that, start your own team and invite whoever you want. Be careful though because your bound to upset someone and the next thing you know everyone will be on this thread tearing you apart.

Everyone definitely DID NOT get that email...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Havent herd anything. Wondering what people think about a 25 player roster? Is that the standard amount for a club team?

The Hofstra Tournament is 7v7 plus a goalie, with a restraining line and 5v5 in the offensive end. Given those metrics, I believe 25 kids is too many. You could either go bare-bones, 10-kid minimum, which gives you only two substitutes, rather thin for six 25-minute games. With a 2-3-2 format, two to three lines of middies, two lines of attack/defenders and a goalie yields a 15-18 player team. A back-up goalie is also a good idea.

My daughter is 2017 black and her friend is 2nd year purple. Neither of us has heard a thing about playing in upcoming tournament.

The Tournament I referenced is [a Hofstra event]. It's not an official TG Fall Tournament but believe Bill Smith sent an email to all that attended the TG's tryouts, as post #20585 (p.108) highlighted. Obviously, there's a TG's connection given SS's new position as Hofstra's head coach.

We're new to TGs, 2018 White (yeah the money team). I was impressed enough with the training / teaching of the TG-run August Camp and quality of the kids at the tryout to go through the brain damage of schlepping my kid from Westchester County to West Babylon for practices this Spring. The reality is not everyone on each TG's team knows all of the others, especially if you're new to the program. Roster names are shared but not emails ,,, making it difficult for a parent taking the initiative to form a team to contact everyone. Second, bringing 22-24 kids is too many, highlighting the issue of "whom to invite."

So if you have a kid that wants to play, have them ask a few of their friends and you'll be amazed how quickly you field the requisite ten players. It took me two days to form a team. $750 team fee. Charge each kid $75, round up 15 kids or more and use the excess cash to print reversible pinnies ($15 each). Find 18-20 kids and you have enough cash to fund a large pizza party after the tournament.

I'd be happy to forward the original tournament flyer via email and share a contact if you're interested in printing pinnies.

Let me know.

Cheers,

Peter Zidlicky (email: 1988e30m3@gmail.com)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Havent herd anything. Wondering what people think about a 25 player roster? Is that the standard amount for a club team?

The Hofstra Tournament is 7v7 plus a goalie, with a restraining line and 5v5 in the offensive end. Given those metrics, I believe 25 kids is too many. You could either go bare-bones, 10-kid minimum, which gives you only two substitutes, rather thin for six 25-minute games. With a 2-3-2 format, two to three lines of middies, two lines of attack/defenders and a goalie yields a 15-18 player team. A back-up goalie is also a good idea.

My daughter is 2017 black and her friend is 2nd year purple. Neither of us has heard a thing about playing in upcoming tournament.

My daughter is new to 2017 purple and we didn't hear about it either, and that's fine with us. We probably would have played, but we have plenty going on as it is. As many people have said Bill Smith seems to be very reachable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

give Bill Smith a call hus number is on every email he would be happy to put youy in touch with all of your teammates that are interested in playing.

I believe evry parent recieved an email from top guns informing them of the tournaments I am going to copy and paste the last line of it for you.........

The flyer is attached. Please go ahead and form teams on your own as it is a great way to keep the girls playing. Any further questions please let me know.

Bill Smith

--
Long Island Top Guns
PO BOX 1627
West Babylon, NY 11704
Phone Number: 631 404 2621
Fax Number: 631 539 9830
www.litopguns.com

Yeah everyone in the entire club got this. Let me translate for anyone sitting home this weekend. TG is a summer tournament club. Included in tuition is the summer tournaments and team practices. TG are nice enough to enter all teams in indoor winter leagues, which is optional for players. That is it, done, no more, that's where it ends, that's what you get. Even any additional tournament the older girls go to is a sign on board or try out for team specifically built for a particular tournament like the disney deal. So here is the key words sent out. GO AHEAD AND FORM YOUR OWN TEAMS. So many of you new comers don't get this yet, you are on your own to get with some team somewhere somehow for any and all extra tournaments. Figure out who the parent coaches are and start kissing butt. If your not down with that, start your own team and invite whoever you want. Be careful though because your bound to upset someone and the next thing you know everyone will be on this thread tearing you apart.

Everyone definitely DID NOT get that email...

One version from Shannon and one version from Bill went out in a mass e-mail to the entire club as well as to any other lacrosse contacts. I have daughter on team and as well my daughter has attended several camps and other topgun events, so I know my and my wife's e-mail are part of what must be several different mailing groups from Top Guns. In the end I got word of this tournament from several avenues. Not saying you didn't fall through cracks somehow, but I believe most nearly all were intended to receive this information, and did. Anyway, what you need to do at this point has been beat to death on this thread, instead of crying on a website thread, go spend some time doing what you need to do to get your daughter playing, if she even wants to.

I am a Top Gun Parent. I did get the Tourney email. Everyone should have! If haves is not...stop whining, call Bill make sure your Email is correct and that he has it.
Now, running around this past summer ,to all the tournaments, I can honestly say that every parent was nice,helpful,willing to share there shirt off there backs. This was my experience with the Top Guns,as for many others.
I really don't believe that these posting are from Top Gun parents. Maybe it's from some s**t stirrers or possible some new parents, if so, change your attitude. You will see that everyone here is nice and friendly and willing to help you with anything.
Now.... My daughter was not called to play for any teams put together for tourneys. I would like for her to play and she would like to play also......Guess what I did ? I called Bill and he said no problem.
For those of you that want to know,My daughter is on the Purple team. What year doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a Top Gun Parent. I did get the Tourney email. Everyone should have! If haves is not...stop whining, call Bill make sure your Email is correct and that he has it.
Now, running around this past summer ,to all the tournaments, I can honestly say that every parent was nice,helpful,willing to share there shirt off there backs. This was my experience with the Top Guns,as for many others.
I really don't believe that these posting are from Top Gun parents. Maybe it's from some s**t stirrers or possible some new parents, if so, change your attitude. You will see that everyone here is nice and friendly and willing to help you with anything.
Now.... My daughter was not called to play for any teams put together for tourneys. I would like for her to play and she would like to play also......Guess what I did ? I called Bill and he said no problem.
For those of you that want to know,My daughter is on the Purple team. What year doesn't matter.

Do you think you did not get an invite (email) because your kid is on the purple team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

give Bill Smith a call hus number is on every email he would be happy to put youy in touch with all of your teammates that are interested in playing.

I believe evry parent recieved an email from top guns informing them of the tournaments I am going to copy and paste the last line of it for you.........

The flyer is attached. Please go ahead and form teams on your own as it is a great way to keep the girls playing. Any further questions please let me know.

Bill Smith

--
Long Island Top Guns
PO BOX 1627
West Babylon, NY 11704
Phone Number: 631 404 2621
Fax Number: 631 539 9830
www.litopguns.com

Yeah everyone in the entire club got this. Let me translate for anyone sitting home this weekend. TG is a summer tournament club. Included in tuition is the summer tournaments and team practices. TG are nice enough to enter all teams in indoor winter leagues, which is optional for players. That is it, done, no more, that's where it ends, that's what you get. Even any additional tournament the older girls go to is a sign on board or try out for team specifically built for a particular tournament like the disney deal. So here is the key words sent out. GO AHEAD AND FORM YOUR OWN TEAMS. So many of you new comers don't get this yet, you are on your own to get with some team somewhere somehow for any and all extra tournaments. Figure out who the parent coaches are and start kissing butt. If your not down with that, start your own team and invite whoever you want. Be careful though because your bound to upset someone and the next thing you know everyone will be on this thread tearing you apart.

Everyone definitely DID NOT get that email...

One version from Shannon and one version from Bill went out in a mass e-mail to the entire club as well as to any other lacrosse contacts. I have daughter on team and as well my daughter has attended several camps and other topgun events, so I know my and my wife's e-mail are part of what must be several different mailing groups from Top Guns. In the end I got word of this tournament from several avenues. Not saying you didn't fall through cracks somehow, but I believe most nearly all were intended to receive this information, and did. Anyway, what you need to do at this point has been beat to death on this thread, instead of crying on a website thread, go spend some time doing what you need to do to get your daughter playing, if she even wants to.

Are you talking about emails regarding the Hofstra tournaments, or some other tournaments?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

give Bill Smith a call hus number is on every email he would be happy to put youy in touch with all of your teammates that are interested in playing.

I believe evry parent recieved an email from top guns informing them of the tournaments I am going to copy and paste the last line of it for you.........

The flyer is attached. Please go ahead and form teams on your own as it is a great way to keep the girls playing. Any further questions please let me know.

Bill Smith

--
Long Island Top Guns
PO BOX 1627
West Babylon, NY 11704
Phone Number: 631 404 2621
Fax Number: 631 539 9830
www.litopguns.com

Yeah everyone in the entire club got this. Let me translate for anyone sitting home this weekend. TG is a summer tournament club. Included in tuition is the summer tournaments and team practices. TG are nice enough to enter all teams in indoor winter leagues, which is optional for players. That is it, done, no more, that's where it ends, that's what you get. Even any additional tournament the older girls go to is a sign on board or try out for team specifically built for a particular tournament like the disney deal. So here is the key words sent out. GO AHEAD AND FORM YOUR OWN TEAMS. So many of you new comers don't get this yet, you are on your own to get with some team somewhere somehow for any and all extra tournaments. Figure out who the parent coaches are and start kissing butt. If your not down with that, start your own team and invite whoever you want. Be careful though because your bound to upset someone and the next thing you know everyone will be on this thread tearing you apart.

Everyone definitely DID NOT get that email...

One version from Shannon and one version from Bill went out in a mass e-mail to the entire club as well as to any other lacrosse contacts. I have daughter on team and as well my daughter has attended several camps and other topgun events, so I know my and my wife's e-mail are part of what must be several different mailing groups from Top Guns. In the end I got word of this tournament from several avenues. Not saying you didn't fall through cracks somehow, but I believe most nearly all were intended to receive this information, and did. Anyway, what you need to do at this point has been beat to death on this thread, instead of crying on a website thread, go spend some time doing what you need to do to get your daughter playing, if she even wants to.

I'm not crying...I contacted Bill, and my daughter is playing. Simple.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a Top Gun Parent. I did get the Tourney email. Everyone should have! If haves is not...stop whining, call Bill make sure your Email is correct and that he has it.
Now, running around this past summer ,to all the tournaments, I can honestly say that every parent was nice,helpful,willing to share there shirt off there backs. This was my experience with the Top Guns,as for many others.
I really don't believe that these posting are from Top Gun parents. Maybe it's from some s**t stirrers or possible some new parents, if so, change your attitude. You will see that everyone here is nice and friendly and willing to help you with anything.
Now.... My daughter was not called to play for any teams put together for tourneys. I would like for her to play and she would like to play also......Guess what I did ? I called Bill and he said no problem.
For those of you that want to know,My daughter is on the Purple team. What year doesn't matter.

How typical ,this is one of the more idiotic posts I have read.Everyone was nice ,helpful except when it comes to including everyone and your change your attitude statement is more the norm for TG parents.What it should say is change your attitude from sticking up for what is right and fall in line like the rest of the lemmings and let those with connections control when and where your kid is allowed to play under the TG name.When you say your kid is on the purple team the only thing that tells us is why she was not called to play on a team, when you refuse to tell what year it tells us you are one of those lemmings afraid to stand up for your daughter.What would you say if I know for a fact that some parents with kids who are on 2020 black asked to play with the 2020 team this weekend but where told no thank you.Why should this guy be making all the decisions about who plays TG ?The answer is because no one will stand up and stop him, so you do what you have been trained to do keep following him right off the cliff.

Do I think ....."I did not get an invite because my daughter is on Purple"

I am sure some parents would see it that way. I didnt. I think a parent ( who is probably a coach )took the initiative,put a team together to have some girls play. Could someone have asked me? Yeah. I guess so, but there's a lot of girls and they can't ask everyone.
I had the email from Top Guns and when a certain date worked for me for Tourney... I called Bill and that was that.
Soooo, what I'm trying to say here is ------take a step forward and ask if your daughter wants to play. I am sure the more teams they have the better it is. It's a fundraiser! If you didn't get an email im sure it was a mistake. Make sure email listed is correct and that the Top Guns have it!
Again, pick up the phone and ask

Quit stirring the pot!! You are obviously from another club trying to start trouble. My daughter is on a purple team and got the email. What difference should it make what color team they are on?

You guys really need to stop with the it's a 7 on 7 event so you cannot ask everyone excuse. Ask everyone and divide into the appropriate amount of teams for a 7 on 7.Next comes the who would coach all these teams , please you already have more than 1 coach on each team .Yes everyone can try to get their own team together and compete against one another for kids but wouldn't a better idea be to invite everyone on your team then work together to make sure everyone who wants to play does. Stop with the lame excuses and do the right thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What would you say if I know for a fact that some parents with kids who are on 2020 black asked to play with the 2020 team this weekend but where told no thank you.

Obviously stirring pot and from another club...statement is a blatant lie

does anybody know who put in the 2020 team? just curious

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What would you say if I know for a fact that some parents with kids who are on 2020 black asked to play with the 2020 team this weekend but where told no thank you.

Obviously stirring pot and from another club...statement is a blatant lie [/quote]

Really, ask the guy who formed the team if anyone from the 2020 has asked to play with him then get back to us.

Ron Masera...I brought these girls together...as Jim said 10 girls who played with last summer's 2019 teams and are now 2020s. It also includes one girl who is a 2021 and will play up. For lax for hope I asked Bill Smith if there were a couple more girls who wanted to play and he provided 3 more contacts. No kids were ever hand picked and none have ever been denied. This was done for a simple reason...fun. As far as the name goes...since all of the girls play for Top Guns I was advised we should play as a TG team...this is fine with Bill.
If there are TG 2020 people in the conversation who feel slighted, my apologies. There was never an intention to leave anyone out. Moving on, there are two tournaments remaining that we could potentially put teams in for...Hofstra Sat 10/27 and Smithtown. Sunday 11/4. If we can get enough girls I would be happy to organize this. Call Billl or see me at lax for hope...I'll be the coach with a target on my back amidst a sea of pink for a nice charity event.
Ron

Hi Ron...........my daughter is on 2020 also. We won't be around this weekend but we are interested in playing on 11/4. I already put in a team for 10/27 using my town team. Hoping that you can put something together for 11/4 so Rachel can meet her TG teammates. Thanks
Laura Lombardi

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ron Masera...I brought these girls together...as Jim said 10 girls who played with last summer's 2019 teams and are now 2020s. It also includes one girl who is a 2021 and will play up. For lax for hope I asked Bill Smith if there were a couple more girls who wanted to play and he provided 3 more contacts. No kids were ever hand picked and none have ever been denied. This was done for a simple reason...fun. As far as the name goes...since all of the girls play for Top Guns I was advised we should play as a TG team...this is fine with Bill.
If there are TG 2020 people in the conversation who feel slighted, my apologies. There was never an intention to leave anyone out. Moving on, there are two tournaments remaining that we could potentially put teams in for...Hofstra Sat 10/27 and Smithtown. Sunday 11/4. If we can get enough girls I would be happy to organize this. Call Billl or see me at lax for hope...I'll be the coach with a target on my back amidst a sea of pink for a nice charity event.
Ron

I wasn't going to throw Ron's name out there but since he did I can't help but comment. I have known him for several years and without hesitation will say that he is one of the nicest guys you could ever hope to meet. Funny how people on this thread "know for fact" that girls tried to join this group and were shunned. Goes to show ya what people will make up just to fan the flames. And a shout out to Ron, Nice Job with the post, don't sweat any of the nonsense on this site, any and everybody who knows you, appreciates you and what you are doing.

No Good deed goes unpunished

Many of the people on this site are ridiculously immature.
Why is such negativity persistenly permitted.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many of the people on this site are ridiculously immature.
Why is such negativity persistenly permitted.

We just need to ignore it, and focus on the positives!

Recieved email 2017 black putting team in tourney for sunday Oct 28 in JV / Varsity Division

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Recieved email 2017 black putting team in tourney for sunday Oct 28 in JV / Varsity Division

I really wish TG would let this team play age appropriate. We were humiliated last month. As a new parent who has lax experience at least allow the girls to get to know each other before we play up, regardless of who is coaching the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Recieved email 2017 black putting team in tourney for sunday Oct 28 in JV / Varsity Division

I really wish TG would let this team play age appropriate. We were humiliated last month. As a new parent who has lax experience at least allow the girls to get to know each other before we play up, regardless of who is coaching the team.

Really is age appropriate ,travel teams should play at least 1 year up in tournaments that have town teams

Then don't play! make another team with your daughter and others. be happy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Recieved email 2017 black putting team in tourney for sunday Oct 28 in JV / Varsity Division

I really wish TG would let this team play age appropriate. We were humiliated last month. As a new parent who has lax experience at least allow the girls to get to know each other before we play up, regardless of who is coaching the team.

Really is age appropriate ,travel teams should play at least 1 year up in tournaments that have town teams

They should play 3 years up, NOT! You're ridiculous! Been around the tournament arena for 6 years and NEVER has ANY travel team played up "at least 1 year"! To the Tg parent-I agree, let the girls get to know each other before you allow them to get crushed in a tournament. No 13yo wants to go home losing every game, especially when trying to build chemistry.

You must not being paying attention if you've "NEVER" seen travel teams play up a year against town teams. As just one example, click on the Lax for M.E. and the Gals box at the top of the page.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Recieved email 2017 black putting team in tourney for sunday Oct 28 in JV / Varsity Division

I really wish TG would let this team play age appropriate. We were humiliated last month. As a new parent who has lax experience at least allow the girls to get to know each other before we play up, regardless of who is coaching the team.

I guess not every 2017 black player got an email, mine did not. And by the way- purple did not "play up" at the last tourny.

Really is age appropriate ,travel teams should play at least 1 year up in tournaments that have town teams

They should play 3 years up, NOT! You're ridiculous! Been around the tournament arena for 6 years and NEVER has ANY travel team played up "at least 1 year"! To the Tg parent-I agree, let the girls get to know each other before you allow them to get crushed in a tournament. No 13yo wants to go home losing every game, especially when trying to build chemistry.

Great day 2020! Looking forward to a great year.

Huh? Tell the kids not this post!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great day 2020! Looking forward to a great year.

2020 girls probably don't read this and if they do take away their computers because your all nuts!! Tell your child personally they played well not here!!!

Here we go!.......................................

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Recieved email 2017 black putting team in tourney for sunday Oct 28 in JV / Varsity Division

I really wish TG would let this team play age appropriate. We were humiliated last month. As a new parent who has lax experience at least allow the girls to get to know each other before we play up, regardless of who is coaching the team.

Really is age appropriate ,travel teams should play at least 1 year up in tournaments that have town teams

They should play 3 years up, NOT! You're ridiculous! Been around the tournament arena for 6 years and NEVER has ANY travel team played up "at least 1 year"! To the Tg parent-I agree, let the girls get to know each other before you allow them to get crushed in a tournament. No 13yo wants to go home losing every game, especially when trying to build chemistry.

Your daughters travel team must be fairly horrible if they never play up in age.Actually some tournaments mandate travel teams play up 1 year .If your daughters travel team cannot compete against town teams who are a year older then you are nothing but a glorified town team and should ask for a refund.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Recieved email 2017 black putting team in tourney for sunday Oct 28 in JV / Varsity Division

I really wish TG would let this team play age appropriate. We were humiliated last month. As a new parent who has lax experience at least allow the girls to get to know each other before we play up, regardless of who is coaching the team.

Really is age appropriate ,travel teams should play at least 1 year up in tournaments that have town teams

They should play 3 years up, NOT! You're ridiculous! Been around the tournament arena for 6 years and NEVER has ANY travel team played up "at least 1 year"! To the Tg parent-I agree, let the girls get to know each other before you allow them to get crushed in a tournament. No 13yo wants to go home losing every game, especially when trying to build chemistry.

You may want to pay closer attention, lax for hope on Sunday team Banana , graduation year 2017 playing JV. I have NEVER seen someone post something so easily disproved.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Recieved email 2017 black putting team in tourney for sunday Oct 28 in JV / Varsity Division

I really wish TG would let this team play age appropriate. We were humiliated last month. As a new parent who has lax experience at least allow the girls to get to know each other before we play up, regardless of who is coaching the team.

Really is age appropriate ,travel teams should play at least 1 year up in tournaments that have town teams

They should play 3 years up, NOT! You're ridiculous! Been around the tournament arena for 6 years and NEVER has ANY travel team played up "at least 1 year"! To the Tg parent-I agree, let the girls get to know each other before you allow them to get crushed in a tournament. No 13yo wants to go home losing every game, especially when trying to build chemistry.

You may want to pay closer attention, lax for hope on Sunday team Banana , graduation year 2017 playing JV. I have NEVER seen someone post something so easily disproved.

.

Team Banana rocked it!!!

Wondering if this new LI Classic tournament is going to be one of the tournaments for summer travel teams. Will be nice to skip hotel and travel expense for one weekend,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wondering if this new LI Classic tournament is going to be one of the tournaments for summer travel teams. Will be nice to skip hotel and travel expense for one weekend,

BOTC firmly expects that the July 2013 Lacrosse-by-3 event, the Long Island LacroSSe ClaSSic, will become one of the college showcase events that our area has needed. BOTC will provide full coverage of this event heading into the summer months of 2013.

What location would tournament be held?

I heard that this LI tourney is going to be one of the ones TG's goes to instead of going to Syracuse; I hope that is the case!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that this LI tourney is going to be one of the ones TG's goes to instead of going to Syracuse; I hope that is the case!

It's a pretty good bet since this tourney is a Shannon Smith event that YJ won't be sending any teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What location would tournament be held?

Hofstra University will be the host site for this Showcase. Be sure to visit the "LI 3 ClaSSic Showcase" link on the Spring 2013 content island to your left.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What location would tournament be held?

Hofstra University will be the host site for this Showcase. Be sure to visit the "LI 3 ClaSSic Showcase" link on the Spring 2013 content island to your left.

That tournament will be a joke, teams from off long island will not come and YJ will send zero teams, hopefully she gets liberty 91 Suffolk allstars etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that this LI tourney is going to be one of the ones TG's goes to instead of going to Syracuse; I hope that is the case!

BOTC spoke in detail with Shannon Smith today regarding this tournament and its position on the Showcase Schedule.

Coach Smith has a truly imaginative plan and overall vision to bring NCAA Coaches to their Hofstra venue and BOTC is working with our regional US Lacrosse representatives to expand our coverage through the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic.

With the potential drawing power of this new Showcase, a Long Island and Regional appetite for an early-July premier event, and our joint push to establish this event as a Summer College Showcase Event, expect this tournament to emerge in July 2013 with robust attendance both from the competition and coaches.

Now is the time for the Long Island Girls Community to act. At a solid price point, this event figures to provide a great opportunity to experience regional showcasing without all the travel costs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What location would tournament be held?

Hofstra University will be the host site for this Showcase. Be sure to visit the "LI 3 ClaSSic Showcase" link on the Spring 2013 content island to your left.

That tournament will be a joke, teams from off long island will not come and YJ will send zero teams, hopefully she gets liberty 91 Suffolk allstars etc.

The tournament has only been covered for less than 24 hours here on BOTC and we have received two inquiries from the Baltimore/Maryland area, two from New Jersey, and one from Connecticut.

BOTC cannot comment on the Yellow Jackets summer plans at this time. Showcasing opportunities close to home benefit everyone. Attendance by the others that you mentioned seems reasonable.

As for coaching attendance, watch Hofstra's Spring schedule as a starting point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that this LI tourney is going to be one of the ones TG's goes to instead of going to Syracuse; I hope that is the case!

It's a pretty good bet since this tourney is a Shannon Smith event that YJ won't be sending any teams.

Cut off your nose to spite your face.
Unfortunately this is likely true that YJ teams won't be attending this tournament due to the CR SS circumstances. It is a shame to watch so many players miss out on a great opportunity like this because of the queens' discontent. One thing should be apparent, SS is charging hard and is heavily involved in the landscape of women's lacrosse locally and nationally. So you can stick your heads in the sand as CR will decide for you to do, all others who attend really won't miss you. But on the flip side, I don't see SS entering any teams in YJ sponsored events, at least not officially through the club. You would think that with all the money to be made at these tournaments, these two directors would put their differences aside in the name of cash.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that this LI tourney is going to be one of the ones TG's goes to instead of going to Syracuse; I hope that is the case!

It's a pretty good bet since this tourney is a Shannon Smith event that YJ won't be sending any teams.

Cut off your nose to spite your face.
Unfortunately this is likely true that YJ teams won't be attending this tournament due to the CR SS circumstances. It is a shame to watch so many players miss out on a great opportunity like this because of the queens' discontent. One thing should be apparent, SS is charging hard and is heavily involved in the landscape of women's lacrosse locally and nationally. So you can stick your heads in the sand as CR will decide for you to do, all others who attend really won't miss you. But on the flip side, I don't see SS entering any teams in YJ sponsored events, at least not officially through the club. You would think that with all the money to be made at these tournaments, these two directors would put their differences aside in the name of cash.

Seriously ,TG has avoided CR tournament for years and you never came on hear with the "miss out on a great opportunity" nonsense. YJ usually does another tournament on those dates and it is for a much better cause.

Too many kids on each team, coaches making as many teams per age as possible, having a tournament that barely any teams will attend for a money grab,etc. Good luck but they will not show up plus where will they play the games on those tiny ,crummy 7 on 7 fields.

I think the powers that be should start up a Long Island Girls Lacrosse Council. Get a fair board consisting of reps from club, town, PAL and maybe middle/high school coaches to promote and endorse Long Island Lacrosse. Kind of like a PTA of L.I. lacrosse, focus on the kids. While I am sure this will bring some nasty comments, think about how we can really bring a tremendous amount of knowledge and recognition to our own backyard.

Just this moms 2 cents

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that this LI tourney is going to be one of the ones TG's goes to instead of going to Syracuse; I hope that is the case!

It's a pretty good bet since this tourney is a Shannon Smith event that YJ won't be sending any teams.

Cut off your nose to spite your face.
Unfortunately this is likely true that YJ teams won't be attending this tournament due to the CR SS circumstances. It is a shame to watch so many players miss out on a great opportunity like this because of the queens' discontent. One thing should be apparent, SS is charging hard and is heavily involved in the landscape of women's lacrosse locally and nationally. So you can stick your heads in the sand as CR will decide for you to do, all others who attend really won't miss you. But on the flip side, I don't see SS entering any teams in YJ sponsored events, at least not officially through the club. You would think that with all the money to be made at these tournaments, these two directors would put their differences aside in the name of cash.

Seriously ,TG has avoided CR tournament for years and you never came on hear with the "miss out on a great opportunity" nonsense. YJ usually does another tournament on those dates and it is for a much better cause.

Too many kids on each team, coaches making as many teams per age as possible, having a tournament that barely any teams will attend for a money grab,etc. Good luck but they will not show up plus where will they play the games on those tiny ,crummy 7 on 7 fields.

You're right, the facilities at Hofstra can't begin to compare with the lax spectacular that goes on at Mitchell Field - all those 25 minute games with YJ club being 30% of the teams there and playing each other or town teams half the time. Poor SS how can she compete with that - LOL!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that this LI tourney is going to be one of the ones TG's goes to instead of going to Syracuse; I hope that is the case!

It's a pretty good bet since this tourney is a Shannon Smith event that YJ won't be sending any teams.

Cut off your nose to spite your face.
Unfortunately this is likely true that YJ teams won't be attending this tournament due to the CR SS circumstances. It is a shame to watch so many players miss out on a great opportunity like this because of the queens' discontent. One thing should be apparent, SS is charging hard and is heavily involved in the landscape of women's lacrosse locally and nationally. So you can stick your heads in the sand as CR will decide for you to do, all others who attend really won't miss you. But on the flip side, I don't see SS entering any teams in YJ sponsored events, at least not officially through the club. You would think that with all the money to be made at these tournaments, these two directors would put their differences aside in the name of cash.

Seriously ,TG has avoided CR tournament for years and you never came on hear with the "miss out on a great opportunity" nonsense. YJ usually does another tournament on those dates and it is for a much better cause.

Too many kids on each team, coaches making as many teams per age as possible, having a tournament that barely any teams will attend for a money grab,etc. Good luck but they will not show up plus where will they play the games on those tiny ,crummy 7 on 7 fields.

You're right, the facilities at Hofstra can't begin to compare with the lax spectacular that goes on at Mitchell Field - all those 25 minute games with YJ club being 30% of the teams there and playing each other or town teams half the time. Poor SS how can she compete with that - LOL!

Keep laughing but the but the point of the post was that CR holds an equally terrible tournament that out of state teams rarely go to and now SS has taken another page out of that play book and holds her own terrible tournament.Too funny that you try to denigrate the facilities at Mitchell field by talking about the format of the tournament , too stupid to realize one has nothing to do with the other.I agree I rarely like the format of any showcase tournament especially at the younger ages but the fact remains Hofstras facilities to hold a high caliber tournament are hideous.

Do you think they will be collecting and entrance fee, I mean Donations for the club at the entrance

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep laughing but the but the point of the post was that CR holds an equally terrible tournament that out of state teams rarely go to...

The summer event to which you refer is not a terrible event however there are some rivalries between clubs that prevent all of Long Island's best from appearing in one place.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

... and now SS has taken another page out of that play book and holds her own terrible tournament.

The new Long Island LacroSSe ClaSSic is not a page taken from anyone's book as this will tap into a completely new recruiting market leveraging the Lacrosse-By-3 collegiate relationships. As for holding a terrible tournament, how can an inaugural event be "terrible" when the first edition has not happened?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny that you try to denigrate the facilities at Mitchell field by talking about the format of the tournament, too stupid to realize one has nothing to do with the other.

Mitchel Field supplies open land, flat fields and a great turf stadium. Are the grass fields overused during the year? Yes. Could the fields use some rest and rehabilitation? Yes. Would Long Island youth tournaments be hurt by losing access to these fields? Yes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree I rarely like the format of any showcase tournament especially at the younger ages..."

Younger ages should be playing a results-based tournament event. Older age groups should not be playing a tournament step-ladder but just getting as many games onto the field for each team as possible whether through group play or championship/out-bracket formats.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

... but the fact remains Hofstras facilities to hold a high caliber tournament are hideous.

This could not be more wrong. With Shuart Stadium, grass fields on North Campus, and a variety of full-field options (at least six marked out of which we are aware), the campus will have excellent options. As a matter of fact, there are numerous youth tournaments that would like to be able to afford to tap into the Hofstra University Facilities.

Just what we all needed, another "showcase/recruiting tournament". What do we have now on the east coast, 15 or so?
Adding more defeates the purpose, should be trying to concentrate the talent and college coaches at fewer events, not spreading it out over more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you think they will be collecting and entrance fee, I mean Donations for the club at the entrance

Maybe you should research where that $ goes before you post your silly little digs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just what we all needed, another "showcase/recruiting tournament". What do we have now on the east coast, 15 or so?
Adding more defeates the purpose, should be trying to concentrate the talent and college coaches at fewer events, not spreading it out over more.

Here is how BOTC sees it from the 50,000 foot level : there are two regional hot-spots of talent, one being Long Island and the second being the Greater Baltimore area. While Maryland has done a good job with hosting Showcase events locally, Long Island has given away that ground to surrounding states including New Jersey (one club from NJ ran a tournament on Long Island last year), Pennsylvania and others.

Why should one of the two key talent hotbeds be giving away this dominant position? Bridge tolls? Hotel costs? Meal costs? Seriously, this excuse that says it is so much more expensive to host a tournament and attract out-of-town teams has been a topic beaten on BOTC as well as BOTN for soccer for years.

The truth is that Long Island's market is sufficiently large that local tournaments are typically fully filled so the external marketing is limited. The refreshing step being taken is that perhaps (and we do say perhaps) the efforts around placing the Long Island Lacrosse Classic as a regional event will help change this picture.

For those familiar with the NEWSS Tournament from soccer, a local elite women's college showcas, the event started slowly (sixteen teams per age group) and has become a recruiting magnet. The vision is that the same will happen here with the Classic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you think they will be collecting and entrance fee, I mean Donations for the club at the entrance

Maybe you should research where that $ goes before you post your silly little digs

Agreed.

Did someone ruffle somebody feathers?

I like the clever SS hidden in lacroSSe and claSSic. Also the lacrosse by 3, as a jersey reference and I'm not talking snooky. Is there a CRooked CRap tournament on the horizon?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I like the clever SS hidden in lacroSSe and claSSic. Also the lacrosse by 3, as a jersey reference and I'm not talking snooky. Is there a CRooked CRap tournament on the horizon?

Top gun website but it always comes back to CR. pretty sad. Maybe if TG starts winning some tournaments they won't have to keep bringing up YJ and they will have something else to talk about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I like the clever SS hidden in lacroSSe and claSSic. Also the lacrosse by 3, as a jersey reference and I'm not talking snooky. Is there a CRooked CRap tournament on the horizon?

Top gun website but it always comes back to CR. pretty sad. Maybe if TG starts winning some tournaments they won't have to keep bringing up YJ and they will have something else to talk about.

You are 100% correct and it is sad, but get it right, it is sad that the tournament discussion had nothing to do with YJ or CR until someone from that club came on and started in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I like the clever SS hidden in lacroSSe and claSSic. Also the lacrosse by 3, as a jersey reference and I'm not talking snooky. Is there a CRooked CRap tournament on the horizon?

Top gun website but it always comes back to CR. pretty sad. Maybe if TG starts winning some tournaments they won't have to keep bringing up YJ and they will have something else to talk about.

Can the real Slim Shady please stand up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top gun website but it always comes back to CR. pretty sad. Maybe if TG starts winning some tournaments they won't have to keep bringing up YJ and they will have something else to talk about.

Let's get back on topic which is the Top Guns program and through their relationship with Coach Smith, Lacrosse-By-3 and their Long Island Lacrosse Classic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that this LI tourney is going to be one of the ones TG's goes to instead of going to Syracuse; I hope that is the case!

It's a pretty good bet since this tourney is a Shannon Smith event that YJ won't be sending any teams.

Cut off your nose to spite your face.
Unfortunately this is likely true that YJ teams won't be attending this tournament due to the CR SS circumstances. It is a shame to watch so many players miss out on a great opportunity like this because of the queens' discontent. One thing should be apparent, SS is charging hard and is heavily involved in the landscape of women's lacrosse locally and nationally. So you can stick your heads in the sand as CR will decide for you to do, all others who attend really won't miss you. But on the flip side, I don't see SS entering any teams in YJ sponsored events, at least not officially through the club. You would think that with all the money to be made at these tournaments, these two directors would put their differences aside in the name of cash.

Seriously ,TG has avoided CR tournament for years and you never came on hear with the "miss out on a great opportunity" nonsense. YJ usually does another tournament on those dates and it is for a much better cause.

Too many kids on each team, coaches making as many teams per age as possible, having a tournament that barely any teams will attend for a money grab,etc. Good luck but they will not show up plus where will they play the games on those tiny ,crummy 7 on 7 fields.

You're right, the facilities at Hofstra can't begin to compare with the lax spectacular that goes on at Mitchell Field - all those 25 minute games with YJ club being 30% of the teams there and playing each other or town teams half the time. Poor SS how can she compete with that - LOL!

Keep laughing but the but the point of the post was that CR holds an equally terrible tournament that out of state teams rarely go to and now SS has taken another page out of that play book and holds her own terrible tournament.Too funny that you try to denigrate the facilities at Mitchell field by talking about the format of the tournament , too stupid to realize one has nothing to do with the other.I agree I rarely like the format of any showcase tournament especially at the younger ages but the fact remains Hofstras facilities to hold a high caliber tournament are hideous.

You my friend will be eating those words and won't have the decency to come on here and admit you were wrong. The number and quality of college coaches will be high and the out of state presence tremendous. BTW...it's about time someone has the ability to make this happen! Way to go Shannon!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I like the clever SS hidden in lacroSSe and claSSic. Also the lacrosse by 3, as a jersey reference and I'm not talking snooky. Is there a CRooked CRap tournament on the horizon?

Top gun website but it always comes back to CR. pretty sad. Maybe if TG starts winning some tournaments they won't have to keep bringing up YJ and they will have something else to talk about.

Ohhhh OK....good one. You told them. Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I like the clever SS hidden in lacroSSe and claSSic. Also the lacrosse by 3, as a jersey reference and I'm not talking snooky. Is there a CRooked CRap tournament on the horizon?

Top gun website but it always comes back to CR. pretty sad. Maybe if TG starts winning some tournaments they won't have to keep bringing up YJ and they will have something else to talk about.

Ohhhh OK....good one. You told them. Lol

As the kids say. True that!

What is the big deal new coach, new name, new ideas. Abby Morgan use to run camps ,clinics and Tournaments under the name Increase Lacrosse. Shannon Smith and her Assistants will now be doing the same with Lacrosse by 3 and trying to expand it. Supply a good product people will use it no matter where they play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that this LI tourney is going to be one of the ones TG's goes to instead of going to Syracuse; I hope that is the case!

It's a pretty good bet since this tourney is a Shannon Smith event that YJ won't be sending any teams.

Cut off your nose to spite your face.
Unfortunately this is likely true that YJ teams won't be attending this tournament due to the CR SS circumstances. It is a shame to watch so many players miss out on a great opportunity like this because of the queens' discontent. One thing should be apparent, SS is charging hard and is heavily involved in the landscape of women's lacrosse locally and nationally. So you can stick your heads in the sand as CR will decide for you to do, all others who attend really won't miss you. But on the flip side, I don't see SS entering any teams in YJ sponsored events, at least not officially through the club. You would think that with all the money to be made at these tournaments, these two directors would put their differences aside in the name of cash.

Seriously ,TG has avoided CR tournament for years and you never came on hear with the "miss out on a great opportunity" nonsense. YJ usually does another tournament on those dates and it is for a much better cause.

Too many kids on each team, coaches making as many teams per age as possible, having a tournament that barely any teams will attend for a money grab,etc. Good luck but they will not show up plus where will they play the games on those tiny ,crummy 7 on 7 fields.

You're right, the facilities at Hofstra can't begin to compare with the lax spectacular that goes on at Mitchell Field - all those 25 minute games with YJ club being 30% of the teams there and playing each other or town teams half the time. Poor SS how can she compete with that - LOL!

Keep laughing but the but the point of the post was that CR holds an equally terrible tournament that out of state teams rarely go to and now SS has taken another page out of that play book and holds her own terrible tournament.Too funny that you try to denigrate the facilities at Mitchell field by talking about the format of the tournament , too stupid to realize one has nothing to do with the other.I agree I rarely like the format of any showcase tournament especially at the younger ages but the fact remains Hofstras facilities to hold a high caliber tournament are hideous.

At least you see and admit that the Mitchell tournament is terrible, we all see and know that. As far as your speculation that this LI Classic will be terrible too, you may be right but that remains to be seen. I wouldn't bet against Shannon putting something together that finally make a LI tournament worthwhile. Look at what she has accomplished in three short years, most of it while a student away at school. She has big plans and follows through with big actions, which is great for LI girls lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I like the clever SS hidden in lacroSSe and claSSic. Also the lacrosse by 3, as a jersey reference and I'm not talking snooky. Is there a CRooked CRap tournament on the horizon?

Top gun website but it always comes back to CR. pretty sad. Maybe if TG starts winning some tournaments they won't have to keep bringing up YJ and they will have something else to talk about.

You are 100% correct and it is sad, but get it right, it is sad that the tournament discussion had nothing to do with YJ or CR until someone from that club came on and started in.

Actually it was a TG club member that brought CR into the argument ,you are so blinded by your YJ hatred that you can't see straight. While I applaud cages power of positive thought in the end many coaches with more and longer term connections with college programs and other youth travel clubs have tried it before on both the boys and girls side.Some have been more successful ,while others not so much.I have yet to see any of them get the top teams from Maryland or NJ come and with the obvious fact that YJ will not show the tournament will already be watered down.Good Luck.

Well the fall tourneys were terrible hope she can do better than that. What big LI club do you think will really attend the classic? Speculation NONE

"Big plans and follows thru with big actions" , how dramatic .What exactly has she accomplished in the past 3 years in terms of TG's except make a boatload of money.You guys are so funny with our teams are just as good as YJ ,M&D,Steps,etc. top teams, win an actual competitive tournament. All I hear is we beat this team and that team beat that other team and they played a close game against this team nonsense. Stop with the chest pounding about your club until you win a few top tournaments, it's actually pretty pathetic that that you do not have even 1 team that has managed to win a competitive tournament.She was(is) perhaps the best player ever from long island but has done little as a coach or club owner, unless make a lot of money counts.

A new LI tournament of any kind can't possibly be as bad as the Syracuse tournament!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I like the clever SS hidden in lacroSSe and claSSic. Also the lacrosse by 3, as a jersey reference and I'm not talking snooky. Is there a CRooked CRap tournament on the horizon?

Top gun website but it always comes back to CR. pretty sad. Maybe if TG starts winning some tournaments they won't have to keep bringing up YJ and they will have something else to talk about.

You are 100% correct and it is sad, but get it right, it is sad that the tournament discussion had nothing to do with YJ or CR until someone from that club came on and started in.

Actually it was a TG club member that brought CR into the argument ,you are so blinded by your YJ hatred that you can't see straight. While I applaud cages power of positive thought in the end many coaches with more and longer term connections with college programs and other youth travel clubs have tried it before on both the boys and girls side.Some have been more successful ,while others not so much.I have yet to see any of them get the top teams from Maryland or NJ come and with the obvious fact that YJ will not show the tournament will already be watered down.Good Luck.

You have a reading comprehension problem. Discussion had nothing to do with YJ until these two posts-
#21019-It's a pretty good bet since this tourney is a Shannon Smith event that YJ won't be sending any teams.
#21023- That tournament will be a joke, teams from off long island will not come and YJ will send zero teams, hopefully she gets liberty 91 Suffolk allstars etc.
Doesn't sound like a TG parent bring YJ into discussion, its a YJ parent that can't stay away from the TG thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Big plans and follows thru with big actions" , how dramatic .What exactly has she accomplished in the past 3 years in terms of TG's except make a boatload of money.You guys are so funny with our teams are just as good as YJ ,M&D,Steps,etc. top teams, win an actual competitive tournament. All I hear is we beat this team and that team beat that other team and they played a close game against this team nonsense. Stop with the chest pounding about your club until you win a few top tournaments, it's actually pretty pathetic that that you do not have even 1 team that has managed to win a competitive tournament.She was(is) perhaps the best player ever from long island but has done little as a coach or club owner, unless make a lot of money counts.

Aahhhh Shut up and go kick your dog. Youth lax dude...let it go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I like the clever SS hidden in lacroSSe and claSSic. Also the lacrosse by 3, as a jersey reference and I'm not talking snooky. Is there a CRooked CRap tournament on the horizon?

Top gun website but it always comes back to CR. pretty sad. Maybe if TG starts winning some tournaments they won't have to keep bringing up YJ and they will have something else to talk about.

You are 100% correct and it is sad, but get it right, it is sad that the tournament discussion had nothing to do with YJ or CR until someone from that club came on and started in.

Actually it was a TG club member that brought CR into the argument ,you are so blinded by your YJ hatred that you can't see straight. While I applaud cages power of positive thought in the end many coaches with more and longer term connections with college programs and other youth travel clubs have tried it before on both the boys and girls side.Some have been more successful ,while others not so much.I have yet to see any of them get the top teams from Maryland or NJ come and with the obvious fact that YJ will not show the tournament will already be watered down.Good Luck.

You have a reading comprehension problem. Discussion had nothing to do with YJ until these two posts-
#21019-It's a pretty good bet since this tourney is a Shannon Smith event that YJ won't be sending any teams.
#21023- That tournament will be a joke, teams from off long island will not come and YJ will send zero teams, hopefully she gets liberty 91 Suffolk allstars etc.
Doesn't sound like a TG parent bring YJ into discussion, its a YJ parent that can't stay away from the TG thread.

Anonymous means ... You never know who is stirring the pot.

I agree, but the finger is usually pointed in one direction.

Hi,
we are new to the top guns family (team 2018) and have a ? regarding the tournaments (not too early to do some long term planning).
From what I see/remember, TG's does the National Draw and the All Star Express so adding in the Hofstra tourney instead of Syracuse makes 3 tourneys that I am aware of.
What are the other two tourneys that TG's does?
thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hi,
we are new to the top guns family (team 2018) and have a ? regarding the tournaments (not too early to do some long term planning).
From what I see/remember, TG's does the National Draw and the All Star Express so adding in the Hofstra tourney instead of Syracuse makes 3 tourneys that I am aware of.
What are the other two tourneys that TG's does?
thanks

First tourney last year was the All American Showcase in Downingtown, Pa. and The Club National Championships in Bethesda, Md was the second to last tourney

Club National Draw, MD ..can't remember the other

New to TG - can someone provide information on winter league?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New to TG - can someone provide information on winter league?

I think every team does their own thing so best to ask your coach or BS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that this LI tourney is going to be one of the ones TG's goes to instead of going to Syracuse; I hope that is the case!

It's a pretty good bet since this tourney is a Shannon Smith event that YJ won't be sending any teams.

Cut off your nose to spite your face.
Unfortunately this is likely true that YJ teams won't be attending this tournament due to the CR SS circumstances. It is a shame to watch so many players miss out on a great opportunity like this because of the queens' discontent. One thing should be apparent, SS is charging hard and is heavily involved in the landscape of women's lacrosse locally and nationally. So you can stick your heads in the sand as CR will decide for you to do, all others who attend really won't miss you. But on the flip side, I don't see SS entering any teams in YJ sponsored events, at least not officially through the club. You would think that with all the money to be made at these tournaments, these two directors would put their differences aside in the name of cash.

Seriously ,TG has avoided CR tournament for years and you never came on hear with the "miss out on a great opportunity" nonsense. YJ usually does another tournament on those dates and it is for a much better cause.

Too many kids on each team, coaches making as many teams per age as possible, having a tournament that barely any teams will attend for a money grab,etc. Good luck but they will not show up plus where will they play the games on those tiny ,crummy 7 on 7 fields.

You're right, the facilities at Hofstra can't begin to compare with the lax spectacular that goes on at Mitchell Field - all those 25 minute games with YJ club being 30% of the teams there and playing each other or town teams half the time. Poor SS how can she compete with that - LOL!

Keep laughing but the but the point of the post was that CR holds an equally terrible tournament that out of state teams rarely go to and now SS has taken another page out of that play book and holds her own terrible tournament.Too funny that you try to denigrate the facilities at Mitchell field by talking about the format of the tournament , too stupid to realize one has nothing to do with the other.I agree I rarely like the format of any showcase tournament especially at the younger ages but the fact remains Hofstras facilities to hold a high caliber tournament are hideous.

TBD!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New to TG - can someone provide information on winter league?

Yes you need to be one of the chosen few who some suck-up parent thinks is good enough to play with his daughter or you are out.The other thing you can do is suck up as much as possible to the suck up parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that this LI tourney is going to be one of the ones TG's goes to instead of going to Syracuse; I hope that is the case!

It's a pretty good bet since this tourney is a Shannon Smith event that YJ won't be sending any teams.

Cut off your nose to spite your face.
Unfortunately this is likely true that YJ teams won't be attending this tournament due to the CR SS circumstances. It is a shame to watch so many players miss out on a great opportunity like this because of the queens' discontent. One thing should be apparent, SS is charging hard and is heavily involved in the landscape of women's lacrosse locally and nationally. So you can stick your heads in the sand as CR will decide for you to do, all others who attend really won't miss you. But on the flip side, I don't see SS entering any teams in YJ sponsored events, at least not officially through the club. You would think that with all the money to be made at these tournaments, these two directors would put their differences aside in the name of cash.

Seriously ,TG has avoided CR tournament for years and you never came on hear with the "miss out on a great opportunity" nonsense. YJ usually does another tournament on those dates and it is for a much better cause.

Too many kids on each team, coaches making as many teams per age as possible, having a tournament that barely any teams will attend for a money grab,etc. Good luck but they will not show up plus where will they play the games on those tiny ,crummy 7 on 7 fields.

Everything YJ does is for a "better cause" that's what they're all about, putting others first, helping those who can't help themselves, they are the champions of the down trodden, it's all about the greater good - bravo YJ!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that this LI tourney is going to be one of the ones TG's goes to instead of going to Syracuse; I hope that is the case!

It's a pretty good bet since this tourney is a Shannon Smith event that YJ won't be sending any teams.

Cut off your nose to spite your face.
Unfortunately this is likely true that YJ teams won't be attending this tournament due to the CR SS circumstances. It is a shame to watch so many players miss out on a great opportunity like this because of the queens' discontent. One thing should be apparent, SS is charging hard and is heavily involved in the landscape of women's lacrosse locally and nationally. So you can stick your heads in the sand as CR will decide for you to do, all others who attend really won't miss you. But on the flip side, I don't see SS entering any teams in YJ sponsored events, at least not officially through the club. You would think that with all the money to be made at these tournaments, these two directors would put their differences aside in the name of cash.

Seriously ,TG has avoided CR tournament for years and you never came on hear with the "miss out on a great opportunity" nonsense. YJ usually does another tournament on those dates and it is for a much better cause.

Too many kids on each team, coaches making as many teams per age as possible, having a tournament that barely any teams will attend for a money grab,etc. Good luck but they will not show up plus where will they play the games on those tiny ,crummy 7 on 7 fields.

Everything YJ does is for a "better cause" that's what they're all about, putting others first, helping those who can't help themselves, they are the champions of the down trodden, it's all about the greater good - bravo YJ!

Hahaha, now that's funny!!

I WAS AT THE STICK CHICK TOURNAMENT THIS LAST WEEKEND AND SAW A TEAM THAT I BELIEVE WAS A TG TEAM 2019/2020. IT WAS AT LEAST COACHED BY TG PARENTS/COACHES. TEAM WAS OUTSTANDING. GIRLS WELL SKILLED AND LAX SMART. COACHES WERE OUT-OF-CONTROL. THEY ALMOST CAME TO BLOWS ON THEIR OWN SIDELINE. DROPPING F-BOMBS IN FRONT OF 10 AND 11 YEAR OLD GIRLS. THREATENING TO BEAT OR HOW DID ONE COACH PUT IT "SMASH" THE OTHER COACHES FACE. THESE COACHES WERE ON THE SAME TEAM!!!! I HAD TO EXPLAIN TO MY DAUGHTER THAT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT ACT LIKE THAT. ESPECIALLY ADULTS. ESPECIALLY ADULTS AROUND CHILDREN, LET ALONE COACHING YOUNG LADIES. I KNOW TG IS A TOP FLIGHT ORGANIZATION. I HATE TO COME ON AND BRING UP BAD BEHAVIOR, BUT MY HOPE IS THAT MAYBE TG CAN POLICE THIS BEHAVIOR.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New to TG - can someone provide information on winter league?

Yes you need to be one of the chosen few who some suck-up parent thinks is good enough to play with his daughter or you are out.The other thing you can do is suck up as much as possible to the suck up parent

PLEASE GO BACK TO THE YJ THREAD!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New to TG - can someone provide information on winter league?

Yes you need to be one of the chosen few who some suck-up parent thinks is good enough to play with his daughter or you are out.The other thing you can do is suck up as much as possible to the suck up parent

This is someone who is not from club and has no idea, just trying to start trouble. TG's will set up winter entry for every team to play in indoor leagues. Any and all will be invited to play, but this is above and beyond the summer travel fees. It is optional and some will opt out which is also no big deal as many people are busy with other commitments. The only parent involvement is sometimes they will help rotate the sub lines in and out. Some teams have been contacted by TG asking for intrest to play, others are still in the works. Sit tight as you will be contacted about it soon, and you can always pick up the phone and call TG's. You will get better answers talking to BS than from an anynonmous parent on the message board with serious issues blabbing about suck up parents etc...... some people are so pathetic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I WAS AT THE STICK CHICK TOURNAMENT THIS LAST WEEKEND AND SAW A TEAM THAT I BELIEVE WAS A TG TEAM 2019/2020. IT WAS AT LEAST COACHED BY TG PARENTS/COACHES. TEAM WAS OUTSTANDING. GIRLS WELL SKILLED AND LAX SMART. COACHES WERE OUT-OF-CONTROL. THEY ALMOST CAME TO BLOWS ON THEIR OWN SIDELINE. DROPPING F-BOMBS IN FRONT OF 10 AND 11 YEAR OLD GIRLS. THREATENING TO BEAT OR HOW DID ONE COACH PUT IT "SMASH" THE OTHER COACHES FACE. THESE COACHES WERE ON THE SAME TEAM!!!! I HAD TO EXPLAIN TO MY DAUGHTER THAT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT ACT LIKE THAT. ESPECIALLY ADULTS. ESPECIALLY ADULTS AROUND CHILDREN, LET ALONE COACHING YOUNG LADIES. I KNOW TG IS A TOP FLIGHT ORGANIZATION. I HATE TO COME ON AND BRING UP BAD BEHAVIOR, BUT MY HOPE IS THAT MAYBE TG CAN POLICE THIS BEHAVIOR.

I think that I saw a Unicorn at the same game!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New to TG - can someone provide information on winter league?

Yes you need to be one of the chosen few who some suck-up parent thinks is good enough to play with his daughter or you are out.The other thing you can do is suck up as much as possible to the suck up parent

PLEASE GO BACK TO THE YJ THREAD!

LOOK IN THE MIRROR IT'S A TG ISSUE NOT YJ

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New to TG - can someone provide information on winter league?

2016's and older will play at the Coastal Facility in Hauppauge and 2017's and younger will play at Inline 1 in Mount Sinai... everyone will get an opportunity to join...usually about $100 for 8-10 games. the Inline games are 7 v 7 and the Coastal games are 12 v 12. e-mails for the older teams went out already as that season starts a little sooner (11/11/12). As was previously suggested Contact the Club if you have not heard anything, double check e-mail info..sometimes e-mails get caught up in your spam folder take a look there as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I WAS AT THE STICK CHICK TOURNAMENT THIS LAST WEEKEND AND SAW A TEAM THAT I BELIEVE WAS A TG TEAM 2019/2020. IT WAS AT LEAST COACHED BY TG PARENTS/COACHES. TEAM WAS OUTSTANDING. GIRLS WELL SKILLED AND LAX SMART. COACHES WERE OUT-OF-CONTROL. THEY ALMOST CAME TO BLOWS ON THEIR OWN SIDELINE. DROPPING F-BOMBS IN FRONT OF 10 AND 11 YEAR OLD GIRLS. THREATENING TO BEAT OR HOW DID ONE COACH PUT IT "SMASH" THE OTHER COACHES FACE. THESE COACHES WERE ON THE SAME TEAM!!!! I HAD TO EXPLAIN TO MY DAUGHTER THAT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT ACT LIKE THAT. ESPECIALLY ADULTS. ESPECIALLY ADULTS AROUND CHILDREN, LET ALONE COACHING YOUNG LADIES. I KNOW TG IS A TOP FLIGHT ORGANIZATION. I HATE TO COME ON AND BRING UP BAD BEHAVIOR, BUT MY HOPE IS THAT MAYBE TG CAN POLICE THIS BEHAVIOR.

I think that I saw a Unicorn at the same game!

I do not believe the Unicorn thing because you did not use all capitals, lol. Seriously wonder if it was the same knucklehead who was over the top at lax for hope tournament, say what you want but that guy should not he around kids .I have seen my share of over the top coaches but he is the type coach who we will be seeing on the news for assaulting a ref or parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New to TG - can someone provide information on winter league?

Yes you need to be one of the chosen few who some suck-up parent thinks is good enough to play with his daughter or you are out.The other thing you can do is suck up as much as possible to the suck up parent

PLEASE GO BACK TO THE YJ THREAD!

LOOK IN THE MIRROR IT'S A TG ISSUE NOT YJ
That's how I know you're not a TG parent, because there is no issue and you're trying to create one - everyone gets the winter league email and then it's up to them if they would like to participate or not, crawl back under the rock from which you came!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I WAS AT THE STICK CHICK TOURNAMENT THIS LAST WEEKEND AND SAW A TEAM THAT I BELIEVE WAS A TG TEAM 2019/2020. IT WAS AT LEAST COACHED BY TG PARENTS/COACHES. TEAM WAS OUTSTANDING. GIRLS WELL SKILLED AND LAX SMART. COACHES WERE OUT-OF-CONTROL. THEY ALMOST CAME TO BLOWS ON THEIR OWN SIDELINE. DROPPING F-BOMBS IN FRONT OF 10 AND 11 YEAR OLD GIRLS. THREATENING TO BEAT OR HOW DID ONE COACH PUT IT "SMASH" THE OTHER COACHES FACE. THESE COACHES WERE ON THE SAME TEAM!!!! I HAD TO EXPLAIN TO MY DAUGHTER THAT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT ACT LIKE THAT. ESPECIALLY ADULTS. ESPECIALLY ADULTS AROUND CHILDREN, LET ALONE COACHING YOUNG LADIES. I KNOW TG IS A TOP FLIGHT ORGANIZATION. I HATE TO COME ON AND BRING UP BAD BEHAVIOR, BUT MY HOPE IS THAT MAYBE TG CAN POLICE THIS BEHAVIOR.

I think that I saw a Unicorn at the same game!

I do not believe the Unicorn thing because you did not use all capitals, lol. Seriously wonder if it was the same knucklehead who was over the top at lax for hope tournament, say what you want but that guy should not he around kids .I have seen my share of over the top coaches but he is the type coach who we will be seeing on the news for assaulting a ref or parent.

Please there are YJ coaches and parents (which is what this person in question actually is) that my wife gets nervous being anywhere near, never mind my kids! Have you ever walked around a tournament and watched your coaches and parents in action, it's a train wreck that has reality TV written all over it. It's particularly special when the games are featuring girls 10-12 years old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I WAS AT THE STICK CHICK TOURNAMENT THIS LAST WEEKEND AND SAW A TEAM THAT I BELIEVE WAS A TG TEAM 2019/2020. IT WAS AT LEAST COACHED BY TG PARENTS/COACHES. TEAM WAS OUTSTANDING. GIRLS WELL SKILLED AND LAX SMART. COACHES WERE OUT-OF-CONTROL. THEY ALMOST CAME TO BLOWS ON THEIR OWN SIDELINE. DROPPING F-BOMBS IN FRONT OF 10 AND 11 YEAR OLD GIRLS. THREATENING TO BEAT OR HOW DID ONE COACH PUT IT "SMASH" THE OTHER COACHES FACE. THESE COACHES WERE ON THE SAME TEAM!!!! I HAD TO EXPLAIN TO MY DAUGHTER THAT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT ACT LIKE THAT. ESPECIALLY ADULTS. ESPECIALLY ADULTS AROUND CHILDREN, LET ALONE COACHING YOUNG LADIES. I KNOW TG IS A TOP FLIGHT ORGANIZATION. I HATE TO COME ON AND BRING UP BAD BEHAVIOR, BUT MY HOPE IS THAT MAYBE TG CAN POLICE THIS BEHAVIOR.

There is no way you should allow your daughter to be coached by these type individuals .If you do what are you teaching your daughters? The only lesson you teach your daughters when you allow grown men who behave this way to continue to coach your daughter is that this type of behavior is acceptable and that you care more about winning than you do about keeping your daughter safe.If your daughter is left to believe that this is acceptable behavior who knows what she will think is acceptable from her future husband.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I WAS AT THE STICK CHICK TOURNAMENT THIS LAST WEEKEND AND SAW A TEAM THAT I BELIEVE WAS A TG TEAM 2019/2020. IT WAS AT LEAST COACHED BY TG PARENTS/COACHES. TEAM WAS OUTSTANDING. GIRLS WELL SKILLED AND LAX SMART. COACHES WERE OUT-OF-CONTROL. THEY ALMOST CAME TO BLOWS ON THEIR OWN SIDELINE. DROPPING F-BOMBS IN FRONT OF 10 AND 11 YEAR OLD GIRLS. THREATENING TO BEAT OR HOW DID ONE COACH PUT IT "SMASH" THE OTHER COACHES FACE. THESE COACHES WERE ON THE SAME TEAM!!!! I HAD TO EXPLAIN TO MY DAUGHTER THAT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT ACT LIKE THAT. ESPECIALLY ADULTS. ESPECIALLY ADULTS AROUND CHILDREN, LET ALONE COACHING YOUNG LADIES. I KNOW TG IS A TOP FLIGHT ORGANIZATION. I HATE TO COME ON AND BRING UP BAD BEHAVIOR, BUT MY HOPE IS THAT MAYBE TG CAN POLICE THIS BEHAVIOR.

I think that I saw a Unicorn at the same game!

I do not believe the Unicorn thing because you did not use all capitals, lol. Seriously wonder if it was the same knucklehead who was over the top at lax for hope tournament, say what you want but that guy should not he around kids .I have seen my share of over the top coaches but he is the type coach who we will be seeing on the news for assaulting a ref or parent.

Please there are YJ coaches and parents (which is what this person in question actually is) that my wife gets nervous being anywhere near, never mind my kids! Have you ever walked around a tournament and watched your coaches and parents in action, it's a train wreck that has reality TV written all over it. It's particularly special when the games are featuring girls 10-12 years old.

Wrong not a YJ coach a TG coach

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I WAS AT THE STICK CHICK TOURNAMENT THIS LAST WEEKEND AND SAW A TEAM THAT I BELIEVE WAS A TG TEAM 2019/2020. IT WAS AT LEAST COACHED BY TG PARENTS/COACHES. TEAM WAS OUTSTANDING. GIRLS WELL SKILLED AND LAX SMART. COACHES WERE OUT-OF-CONTROL. THEY ALMOST CAME TO BLOWS ON THEIR OWN SIDELINE. DROPPING F-BOMBS IN FRONT OF 10 AND 11 YEAR OLD GIRLS. THREATENING TO BEAT OR HOW DID ONE COACH PUT IT "SMASH" THE OTHER COACHES FACE. THESE COACHES WERE ON THE SAME TEAM!!!! I HAD TO EXPLAIN TO MY DAUGHTER THAT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT ACT LIKE THAT. ESPECIALLY ADULTS. ESPECIALLY ADULTS AROUND CHILDREN, LET ALONE COACHING YOUNG LADIES. I KNOW TG IS A TOP FLIGHT ORGANIZATION. I HATE TO COME ON AND BRING UP BAD BEHAVIOR, BUT MY HOPE IS THAT MAYBE TG CAN POLICE THIS BEHAVIOR.

I think that I saw a Unicorn at the same game!

I do not believe the Unicorn thing because you did not use all capitals, lol. Seriously wonder if it was the same knucklehead who was over the top at lax for hope tournament, say what you want but that guy should not he around kids .I have seen my share of over the top coaches but he is the type coach who we will be seeing on the news for assaulting a ref or parent.

Please there are YJ coaches and parents (which is what this person in question actually is) that my wife gets nervous being anywhere near, never mind my kids! Have you ever walked around a tournament and watched your coaches and parents in action, it's a train wreck that has reality TV written all over it. It's particularly special when the games are featuring girls 10-12 years old.

Wrong not a YJ coach a TG coach

I think you misunderstood this person, they are saying it was a TG parent and not a topgun coach. Don't think they were saying it was a YJ coach.

I believe this coach/parent has acted this way at many events, and you are right, they should not be permitted to coach youth lacrosse, they are out of control and winning is everything to them!

Blue Bird through my window says No info on winter league sent to any teams yet as rosters not set..some holdouts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I believe this coach/parent has acted this way at many events, and you are right, they should not be permitted to coach youth lacrosse, they are out of control and winning is everything to them!

Maybe some of the parents on here constantly berating this volunteer coach should put in the time and effort organizing and coaching a team at one of these tournaments. Just a thought...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many spots are available on 2015 black? purple? Last year tryouts were horrible and a total waste of time. Will it be the same this year or will kids actually get a chance to play?

Shouldn't every spot be available? Doesn't every girl have to really try out or are spots guaranteed to past players? If only certain spots are up will there be a posting as to what positions are in play ? My daughter is a goalie will she be given a fair chance or are they just taking peoples money?

I wish they didn't take yours. Your nuts. But you know that cause you have bounced from club to club haven't you. Leave your kid alone and let her play without you screaming at her. You were doing it during the tryouts. How embarrassing for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blue Bird through my window says No info on winter league sent to any teams yet as rosters not set..some holdouts?

What are you talking about? The teams are playing at Inline 1, in Mt Sinai, and the emails have gone out, and replies were already due. Nice try to stir the pot. Find something more productive to do with your time. The Blue Bird is once again misinformed. Maybe you should stop believing what birds tell you? Better yet, maybe you need to see a shrink, if you think animals are talking to you!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blue Bird through my window says No info on winter league sent to any teams yet as rosters not set..some holdouts?

What are you talking about? The teams are playing at Inline 1, in Mt Sinai, and the emails have gone out, and replies were already due. Nice try to stir the pot. Find something more productive to do with your time. The Blue Bird is once again misinformed. Maybe you should stop believing what birds tell you? Better yet, maybe you need to see a shrink, if you think animals are talking to you!

Winter League for older kids is at Coastal Sports in Hauppauge...payment due by 11/1...

Thank You - I have received it.

I agree. If parents are not happy with the volunteer coaches, then get off your duffs and coach yourselves! maybe you don't want to give up your precious time...

ahhh back to playing town teams at inline Top Guns beat everyone at inline. Thats real helpful beating up on town teams .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ahhh back to playing town teams at inline Top Guns beat everyone at inline. Thats real helpful beating up on town teams .

You're a dope, and you don't know what you're talking about. That's not true. Each age group and team has different results. Go back to YJ thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ahhh back to playing town teams at inline Top Guns beat everyone at inline. Thats real helpful beating up on town teams .

Where is the "travel team only" winter league? There isn't one. Most town teams are comprised of girls who also play travel so could you make an attempt to clarify your statement.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ahhh back to playing town teams at inline Top Guns beat everyone at inline. Thats real helpful beating up on town teams .

Dude,
1-this will be, for most teams the first time they get to play together after the tryouts and realignments.
2-they play 7 v 7 here, with no draw after goals and fast break lacrosse for 40 minutes.. it's pretty far removed from lacrosse on a full field.
3-there were YJ and SC allstar teams on the schedule last year
4-it's a nice clean facility with safe turf
5- So I don't think it really matters who you play, as long as your playing

My daughter is new 2017 black. She does not want to play this weekend in tourny as they will be in older division again, last time it was brutal. How does this help the girls? They don't gain confidence.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ahhh back to playing town teams at inline Top Guns beat everyone at inline. Thats real helpful beating up on town teams .

Use these games to practice weaknesses. Kids should be working on settled offense. Lefty throwing and catching. Quality defense (NOT checking, shooting and scoring)...

Will make kidds better come spring time!

Make sure your coach is on same page. Beating up on a team (town or club) does nothing for either winner or loser!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is new 2017 black. She does not want to play this weekend in tourny as they will be in older division again, last time it was brutal. How does this help the girls? They don't gain confidence.

This is a simple one - don't make her play. It's optional. Any questions should be directed to Top Guns. They're very reachable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is new 2017 black. She does not want to play this weekend in tourny as they will be in older division again, last time it was brutal. How does this help the girls? They don't gain confidence.

This must be a joke post any kid good enough to make TG black and is in 8 th grade should be able to handle playing up and as previously stated top level travel teams should play up in age at least 1 year when town teams are involved

How can I get the schedule for the wkeekend 7 on 7 ,is it posted anywhere

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is new 2017 black. She does not want to play this weekend in tourny as they will be in older division again, last time it was brutal. How does this help the girls? They don't gain confidence.

This must be a joke post any kid good enough to make TG black and is in 8 th grade should be able to handle playing up and as previously stated top level travel teams should play up in age at least 1 year when town teams are involved

Not a joke and not playing will not help the new kid on the block. Based on what I saw these girls are not anywhere near ready to play up, I think it would be better to allow them to build confidence first and to get to know each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is new 2017 black. She does not want to play this weekend in tourny as they will be in older division again, last time it was brutal. How does this help the girls? They don't gain confidence.

This must be a joke post any kid good enough to make TG black and is in 8 th grade should be able to handle playing up and as previously stated top level travel teams should play up in age at least 1 year when town teams are involved

Not a joke and not playing will not help the new kid on the block. Based on what I saw these girls are not anywhere near ready to play up, I think it would be better to allow them to build confidence first and to get to know each other.

Last summer, this team struggled against top competition probably more than any other TG team. I'd think seeking out the toughest competition possible in the off-season isn't a bad idea.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is new 2017 black. She does not want to play this weekend in tourny as they will be in older division again, last time it was brutal. How does this help the girls? They don't gain confidence.

This must be a joke post any kid good enough to make TG black and is in 8 th grade should be able to handle playing up and as previously stated top level travel teams should play up in age at least 1 year when town teams are involved

Not a joke and not playing will not help the new kid on the block. Based on what I saw these girls are not anywhere near ready to play up, I think it would be better to allow them to build confidence first and to get to know each other.

I disagree,let them play up.. its a 7 v 7 tournament, with limited number of draws, it will be a fast paced fast break game. each team will score a bunch of goals. I do feel bad for the goalies as they will probably face 35 shots a game... the other team is going to score... wins and losses don't really matter regardless of if you are on black purple blue or gold. lets hope the weather holds, no one gets injured and we all have fun

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is new 2017 black. She does not want to play this weekend in tourny as they will be in older division again, last time it was brutal. How does this help the girls? They don't gain confidence.

This must be a joke post any kid good enough to make TG black and is in 8 th grade should be able to handle playing up and as previously stated top level travel teams should play up in age at least 1 year when town teams are involved

Not a joke and not playing will not help the new kid on the block. Based on what I saw these girls are not anywhere near ready to play up, I think it would be better to allow them to build confidence first and to get to know each other.

I disagree,let them play up.. its a 7 v 7 tournament, with limited number of draws, it will be a fast paced fast break game. each team will score a bunch of goals. I do feel bad for the goalies as they will probably face 35 shots a game... the other team is going to score... wins and losses don't really matter regardless of if you are on black purple blue or gold. lets hope the weather holds, no one gets injured and we all have fun

I disagree, without chemistry you have nothing. Coach did not mix team well last year and didn't look any better at the last tournament. Can't just have the same town girls playing together all the time. If that's the case then dont roster anyone else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is new 2017 black. She does not want to play this weekend in tourny as they will be in older division again, last time it was brutal. How does this help the girls? They don't gain confidence.

This must be a joke post any kid good enough to make TG black and is in 8 th grade should be able to handle playing up and as previously stated top level travel teams should play up in age at least 1 year when town teams are involved

Not a joke and not playing will not help the new kid on the block. Based on what I saw these girls are not anywhere near ready to play up, I think it would be better to allow them to build confidence first and to get to know each other.

Last summer, this team struggled against top competition probably more than any other TG team. I'd think seeking out the toughest competition possible in the off-season isn't a bad idea.

You are right, they did struggle. My daughter was on the fence about playing, the potential is there but then so is the clique, some of them downright rude. This year will be a deal breaker for her, hoping the new talent forms a bond.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is new 2017 black. She does not want to play this weekend in tourny as they will be in older division again, last time it was brutal. How does this help the girls? They don't gain confidence.

This must be a joke post any kid good enough to make TG black and is in 8 th grade should be able to handle playing up and as previously stated top level travel teams should play up in age at least 1 year when town teams are involved

Not a joke and not playing will not help the new kid on the block. Based on what I saw these girls are not anywhere near ready to play up, I think it would be better to allow them to build confidence first and to get to know each other.

Last summer, this team struggled against top competition probably more than any other TG team. I'd think seeking out the toughest competition possible in the off-season isn't a bad idea.

You are right, they did struggle. My daughter was on the fence about playing, the potential is there but then so is the clique, some of them downright rude. This year will be a deal breaker for her, hoping the new talent forms a bond.

Hope it works out for you but from what I have seen TG is all about being in the right group , if it does not work out for you there are plenty of other clubs out there who would love to have your daughter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hope it works out for you but from what I have seen TG is all about being in the right group , if it does not work out for you there are plenty of other clubs out there who would love to have your daughter.

That goes for all clubs, not just TG.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hope it works out for you but from what I have seen TG is all about being in the right group , if it does not work out for you there are plenty of other clubs out there who would love to have your daughter.

That goes for all clubs, not just TG.

I disagree ,some other clubs offer tournaments to the entire club and you get put on a team sometimes mixed teams sometimes not.Say what you want but to play in some of these fall tournaments with TG you need to kiss up to those who are putting a team in.Yes we could all try to put in our own teams or call BS .I am sure BS does not want a phone call from every new kid who does not have the connections to get on a team but wants to play.

Disagree new tg parent here have had nothing but great responses from BS daughter sent email about wanting to play in both Hofstra tournaments and was put with mixed teams great job by club no butt kissing needed just an email

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hope it works out for you but from what I have seen TG is all about being in the right group , if it does not work out for you there are plenty of other clubs out there who would love to have your daughter.

That goes for all clubs, not just TG.

I disagree ,some other clubs offer tournaments to the entire club and you get put on a team sometimes mixed teams sometimes not.Say what you want but to play in some of these fall tournaments with TG you need to kiss up to those who are putting a team in.Yes we could all try to put in our own teams or call BS .I am sure BS does not want a phone call from every new kid who does not have the connections to get on a team but wants to play.

OMG, are we still dwelling on this? First of all, I've seen the same complaint on the YJ thread, so yeah, it does happen in other clubs. Anytime you get three people together you will find politics and alignments. Secondly, if enough people call BS then perhaps word will trickle down to the coaches to switch it up. And if there is only one call then I guess it wasn't really a club issue.

I just have to say that IMNSHO all this sturm and drang is going to come back to haunt you and could cause you to be the outsider you feel you already are. It's called a self-fulfilling prophecy. Let it go, already.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hope it works out for you but from what I have seen TG is all about being in the right group , if it does not work out for you there are plenty of other clubs out there who would love to have your daughter.

That goes for all clubs, not just TG.

I disagree ,some other clubs offer tournaments to the entire club and you get put on a team sometimes mixed teams sometimes not.Say what you want but to play in some of these fall tournaments with TG you need to kiss up to those who are putting a team in.Yes we could all try to put in our own teams or call BS .I am sure BS does not want a phone call from every new kid who does not have the connections to get on a team but wants to play.

OMG, are we still dwelling on this? First of all, I've seen the same complaint on the YJ thread, so yeah, it does happen in other clubs. Anytime you get three people together you will find politics and alignments. Secondly, if enough people call BS then perhaps word will trickle down to the coaches to switch it up. And if there is only one call then I guess it wasn't really a club issue.

I just have to say that IMNSHO all this sturm and drang is going to come back to haunt you and could cause you to be the outsider you feel you already are. It's called a self-fulfilling prophecy. Let it go, already.

Actually YJ invites all who want to play in fall. Teams may be mixed but if you register on time you get to play

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually YJ invites all who want to play in fall. Teams may be mixed but if you register on time you get to play

That may be, but I know I've read (and I am not going to troll through all the pages for verification) that there were some sour grapes about some off-season team that was put together from a YJ team and who was invited and who wasn't, yada yada yada.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually YJ invites all who want to play in fall. Teams may be mixed but if you register on time you get to play

That may be, but I know I've read (and I am not going to troll through all the pages for verification) that there were some sour grapes about some off-season team that was put together from a YJ team and who was invited and who wasn't, yada yada yada.

Does TG offer fall tournaments for all who want to participate? I didn't think so.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually YJ invites all who want to play in fall. Teams may be mixed but if you register on time you get to play

That may be, but I know I've read (and I am not going to troll through all the pages for verification) that there were some sour grapes about some off-season team that was put together from a YJ team and who was invited and who wasn't, yada yada yada.

Are you a 2015 Black parent?

Actually we are gong to one next weekend, offered to all.

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

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Are you a 2015 Black parent?

Who wants to know? Inbox me, if you wish.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually YJ invites all who want to play in fall. Teams may be mixed but if you register on time you get to play

That may be, but I know I've read (and I am not going to troll through all the pages for verification) that there were some sour grapes about some off-season team that was put together from a YJ team and who was invited and who wasn't, yada yada yada.

Does TG offer fall tournaments for all who want to participate? I didn't think so.

We are new to TG, playing on a purple team, and next weekend will be our 4th fall tournament! No connections, no butt-kissing, just a simple email to the program in the beginning. We have found them completely accessible, and we're loving the TG experience so far!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hope it works out for you but from what I have seen TG is all about being in the right group , if it does not work out for you there are plenty of other clubs out there who would love to have your daughter.

That goes for all clubs, not just TG.

I disagree ,some other clubs offer tournaments to the entire club and you get put on a team sometimes mixed teams sometimes not.Say what you want but to play in some of these fall tournaments with TG you need to kiss up to those who are putting a team in.Yes we could all try to put in our own teams or call BS .I am sure BS does not want a phone call from every new kid who does not have the connections to get on a team but wants to play.

OMG, are we still dwelling on this? First of all, I've seen the same complaint on the YJ thread, so yeah, it does happen in other clubs. Anytime you get three people together you will find politics and alignments. Secondly, if enough people call BS then perhaps word will trickle down to the coaches to switch it up. And if there is only one call then I guess it wasn't really a club issue.

I just have to say that IMNSHO all this sturm and drang is going to come back to haunt you and could cause you to be the outsider you feel you already are. It's called a self-fulfilling prophecy. Let it go, already.

Actually YJ invites all who want to play in fall. Teams may be mixed but if you register on time you get to play

and "if" you don't you're out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually YJ invites all who want to play in fall. Teams may be mixed but if you register on time you get to play

That may be, but I know I've read (and I am not going to troll through all the pages for verification) that there were some sour grapes about some off-season team that was put together from a YJ team and who was invited and who wasn't, yada yada yada.

Does TG offer fall tournaments for all who want to participate? I didn't think so.

We are new to TG, playing on a purple team, and next weekend will be our 4th fall tournament! No connections, no butt-kissing, just a simple email to the program in the beginning. We have found them completely accessible, and we're loving the TG experience so far!!

sure!

It is clearly posted on the YJ site that fall ball may have mixed teams but there is no outside the club walk ons allowed. With so many girls involved with soccer and basketball in the fall you need to do this. TG is a fairly new program and I can see from the tryouts that they are improved from last year. They are for the first time showing up as a team in some of these fall tournaments and thats because some people have stepped up to help coach. Bottom line is the girls are putting sticks in their hands and getting out on the field, parrents are putting in the time to get them there and the games seem to be competetive.
Hats off to a program that has a community spirit to it and is improved.

We are also new to purple, these parents were open armed and inviting! One family brought atent and bagels with the works &OJ tournament!the team looks awesome! Only complaint- I saw the uniforms from last year. Hope they do some homework and get the organization some kind of quality shirt/shorts. $1300 a year should really include a under armor type of uniform w name that doesn't peel off.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hope it works out for you but from what I have seen TG is all about being in the right group , if it does not work out for you there are plenty of other clubs out there who would love to have your daughter.

That goes for all clubs, not just TG.

I disagree ,some other clubs offer tournaments to the entire club and you get put on a team sometimes mixed teams sometimes not.Say what you want but to play in some of these fall tournaments with TG you need to kiss up to those who are putting a team in.Yes we could all try to put in our own teams or call BS .I am sure BS does not want a phone call from every new kid who does not have the connections to get on a team but wants to play.

OMG, are we still dwelling on this? First of all, I've seen the same complaint on the YJ thread, so yeah, it does happen in other clubs. Anytime you get three people together you will find politics and alignments. Secondly, if enough people call BS then perhaps word will trickle down to the coaches to switch it up. And if there is only one call then I guess it wasn't really a club issue.

I just have to say that IMNSHO all this sturm and drang is going to come back to haunt you and could cause you to be the outsider you feel you already are. It's called a self-fulfilling prophecy. Let it go, already.

Actually YJ invites all who want to play in fall. Teams may be mixed but if you register on time you get to play

and "if" you don't you're out

Not our experience

How do people think the 2019 team will be this year? I heard they lost a lot of players.

Most of the girls they lost were the 2020 girls who stayed back to play with their correct age (except one of course). They are a VERY strong team without those girls and I'm sure they will be great again!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do people think the 2019 team will be this year? I heard they lost a lot of players.

Had many 2020 players moved back to their age appropriate group with the one previously stated exception( which is ridiculous).That being said the team will be about the same ,possibly slightly weaker in that the girls who were moved down were the stronger younger players and had made the black team in front of the girls that were added from last years purple team.The team has a very good core group but take a significant drop off after that, not very deep.The purple team took a step backwards in that their best players were moved up and they had no depth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do people think the 2019 team will be this year? I heard they lost a lot of players.

Had many 2020 players moved back to their age appropriate group with the one previously stated exception( which is ridiculous).That being said the team will be about the same ,possibly slightly weaker in that the girls who were moved down were the stronger younger players and had made the black team in front of the girls that were added from last years purple team.The team has a very good core group but take a significant drop off after that, not very deep.The purple team took a step backwards in that their best players were moved up and they had no depth.

What town are most of the girls from either 2019 or 2020

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do people think the 2019 team will be this year? I heard they lost a lot of players.

Had many 2020 players moved back to their age appropriate group with the one previously stated exception( which is ridiculous).That being said the team will be about the same ,possibly slightly weaker in that the girls who were moved down were the stronger younger players and had made the black team in front of the girls that were added from last years purple team.The team has a very good core group but take a significant drop off after that, not very deep.The purple team took a step backwards in that their best players were moved up and they had no depth.

What town are most of the girls from either 2019 or 2020

2020 has many from ESM and Riverhead not sure about 2019

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do people think the 2019 team will be this year? I heard they lost a lot of players.

Had many 2020 players moved back to their age appropriate group with the one previously stated exception( which is ridiculous).That being said the team will be about the same ,possibly slightly weaker in that the girls who were moved down were the stronger younger players and had made the black team in front of the girls that were added from last years purple team.The team has a very good core group but take a significant drop off after that, not very deep.The purple team took a step backwards in that their best players were moved up and they had no depth.

What town are most of the girls from either 2019 or 2020

2020 has many from ESM and Riverhead not sure about 2019

God help us all on the 2020 team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do people think the 2019 team will be this year? I heard they lost a lot of players.

Had many 2020 players moved back to their age appropriate group with the one previously stated exception( which is ridiculous).That being said the team will be about the same ,possibly slightly weaker in that the girls who were moved down were the stronger younger players and had made the black team in front of the girls that were added from last years purple team.The team has a very good core group but take a significant drop off after that, not very deep.The purple team took a step backwards in that their best players were moved up and they had no depth.

What town are most of the girls from either 2019 or 2020

2020 has many from ESM and Riverhead not sure about 2019

Same exact thing happened the years before where several players played up on black and settled to their own age group as it became available. It will happen again next year. As far as towns the girls are from it is very spread out, girls from all over, no real town takeovers as is the case with some of the older teams and hopefully it stays that way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do people think the 2019 team will be this year? I heard they lost a lot of players.

Had many 2020 players moved back to their age appropriate group with the one previously stated exception( which is ridiculous).That being said the team will be about the same ,possibly slightly weaker in that the girls who were moved down were the stronger younger players and had made the black team in front of the girls that were added from last years purple team.The team has a very good core group but take a significant drop off after that, not very deep.The purple team took a step backwards in that their best players were moved up and they had no depth.

What town are most of the girls from either 2019 or 2020

2020 has many from ESM and Riverhead not sure about 2019

Same exact thing happened the years before where several players played up on black and settled to their own age group as it became available. It will happen again next year. As far as towns the girls are from it is very spread out, girls from all over, no real town takeovers as is the case with some of the older teams and hopefully it stays that way.

What age are you talking about and how many from the same town is a town takeover.That being said TG youngest group 5 th graders should have an advantage somewhat each year in that you have the strongest 4 th graders playing up with the stronger 5th graders .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do people think the 2019 team will be this year? I heard they lost a lot of players.

Had many 2020 players moved back to their age appropriate group with the one previously stated exception( which is ridiculous).That being said the team will be about the same ,possibly slightly weaker in that the girls who were moved down were the stronger younger players and had made the black team in front of the girls that were added from last years purple team.The team has a very good core group but take a significant drop off after that, not very deep.The purple team took a step backwards in that their best players were moved up and they had no depth.

What town are most of the girls from either 2019 or 2020

2020 has many from ESM and Riverhead not sure about 2019

Same exact thing happened the years before where several players played up on black and settled to their own age group as it became available. It will happen again next year. As far as towns the girls are from it is very spread out, girls from all over, no real town takeovers as is the case with some of the older teams and hopefully it stays that way.

What age are you talking about and how many from the same town is a town takeover.That being said TG youngest group 5 th graders should have an advantage somewhat each year in that you have the strongest 4 th graders playing up with the stronger 5th graders .

You are right, if you have several of the 4th graders playing up it makes that 5th grade team stronger, each year the appropiate aged girls move on and the next year they fill the void. It is hard to say if the team is stronger or weaker because girls at that age are developing at such drastically different rates. You see lackluster players return a year later on fire and superstars return and wonder what happened. Half of it is the competition is getting much stronger each year too. As far as what constitutes a town takeover, I think that at least one of the teams is about half the roster from one town. I guess it may be good to take advantage of the team chemistry someone else has taken the time to develope, but it can't be a great situation for the rest of girls on the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are also new to purple, these parents were open armed and inviting! One family brought atent and bagels with the works &OJ tournament!the team looks awesome! Only complaint- I saw the uniforms from last year. Hope they do some homework and get the organization some kind of quality shirt/shorts. $1300 a year should really include a under armor type of uniform w name that doesn't peel off.

I agree 100%. Our purple team looks very solid, and everyone's been very friendly and welcoming - great girls and parents. The uniform is one of the lamest, cheesiest ones I've seen. Would be nice to see them keep up with the other programs in that regard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are also new to purple, these parents were open armed and inviting! One family brought atent and bagels with the works &OJ tournament!the team looks awesome! Only complaint- I saw the uniforms from last year. Hope they do some homework and get the organization some kind of quality shirt/shorts. $1300 a year should really include a under armor type of uniform w name that doesn't peel off.

I agree 100%. Our purple team looks very solid, and everyone's been very friendly and welcoming - great girls and parents. The uniform is one of the lamest, cheesiest ones I've seen. Would be nice to see them keep up with the other programs in that regard.

Let me clarify - it would be nice, but it's a MINOR detail!! We're very happy so far!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do people think the 2019 team will be this year? I heard they lost a lot of players.

Had many 2020 players moved back to their age appropriate group with the one previously stated exception( which is ridiculous).That being said the team will be about the same ,possibly slightly weaker in that the girls who were moved down were the stronger younger players and had made the black team in front of the girls that were added from last years purple team.The team has a very good core group but take a significant drop off after that, not very deep.The purple team took a step backwards in that their best players were moved up and they had no depth.

What town are most of the girls from either 2019 or 2020

2020 has many from ESM and Riverhead not sure about 2019

God help us all on the 2020 team

seriously, what is that syupposed to mean?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do people think the 2019 team will be this year? I heard they lost a lot of players.

Had many 2020 players moved back to their age appropriate group with the one previously stated exception( which is ridiculous).That being said the team will be about the same ,possibly slightly weaker in that the girls who were moved down were the stronger younger players and had made the black team in front of the girls that were added from last years purple team.The team has a very good core group but take a significant drop off after that, not very deep.The purple team took a step backwards in that their best players were moved up and they had no depth.

What town are most of the girls from either 2019 or 2020

2020 has many from ESM and Riverhead not sure about 2019

God help us all on the 2020 team

seriously, what is that syupposed to mean?

Not the original god help us poster but is funny that 2 programs that have had so much animosity between them will now be on the same team. The coaches from both these groups do not have the best reputations for how they coach and behave on the sidelines.Will be funny to watch the power struggle but one group definately has the upper hand ( major suck up to those in charge)

2020 has many from ESM and Riverhead not sure about 2019 [/quote]

God help us all on the 2020 team [/quote]
seriously, what is that syupposed to mean? [/quote]

Not the original god help us poster but is funny that 2 programs that have had so much animosity between them will now be on the same team. The coaches from both these groups do not have the best reputations for how they coach and behave on the sidelines.Will be funny to watch the power struggle but one group definately has the upper hand ( major suck up to those in charge) [/quote]
the girls play, not the parents/coaches. these girls are all friendly with each other, despite what is being said out there. Sure they have some tough games, but they aren't carrying the on field issues home with them. Once the whistle blows to end the game the kids are fairly oblivious. Parents and coaches, well that's sometimes another issue, but joining as one might pull everyone together...MIGHT...

strogest 4th graders from where? many of the stronger girls you are talking about arent as strong as you think. have seen them be handled quite easily. please dont get me wrong, they are very talented, but you are missing a whole slew of talented girls that just have not gotten the recognition. maybe it is all about sucking up. oh well i will let daughters talent speak for itself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

strogest 4th graders from where? many of the stronger girls you are talking about arent as strong as you think. have seen them be handled quite easily. please dont get me wrong, they are very talented, but you are missing a whole slew of talented girls that just have not gotten the recognition. maybe it is all about sucking up. oh well i will let daughters talent speak for itself.

What are you babbling about ,have seen what 4th graders handled,thank goodness your daughters talent speaks for itself considering you can't.

I'm not sure how or why there is so much to say about the 2020 team, when these girls have not even played together yet. The comment about "god help us all" is just stupid! What differnece does it make where the girls on the team come from. If your daughter is a strong lax player her talent WILL speak for itself so stop worryiing. I would have to say the 2020 girls who played last year must have been somewhat good if they made 2019 black and not purple. As stated before on this site you can't really compare the 2019 girls to the 2020 girls since they are a year older. There are strong girls on all the teams and some who might not be quite as strong from the start but will improve as the season goes on. How about we (the adults)let the girls just play and have fun and see how the season plays out. The girls don't ususally care where the other girls live/play, only the parents!

Fourth grade? Most can't even catch. It's in your head if you think they're good. Frustrating for
My kid because she can catch. Look again. Most can't even catch.

4th graders playing up on a 5th grade team in 90 percent of the cases do not make a team better. One can argue that they make the team weaker unless they are better than the top 11 kids. They take away meaningful playing time and just water down the team as a whole. Cut the roster back to 18-20 kids and the team would be much stronger. There are exceptions to this rule but they are rare.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4th graders playing up on a 5th grade team in 90 percent of the cases do not make a team better. One can argue that they make the team weaker unless they are better than the top 11 kids. They take away meaningful playing time and just water down the team as a whole. Cut the roster back to 18-20 kids and the team would be much stronger. There are exceptions to this rule but they are rare.

Actually if they are better than the bottom 10 players it makes your team better. Agreed making roster size 18-20 would make each team stronger but that will not happen ,it's a business.I guarantee if you took all the2020 kids off the 2019 team that 2019 team is considerably weaker.Anyone familiar with that team realizes that.Anyone with older kids and who have gone thru this travel stuff before also realizes how silly this conversation is.

"Cut the roster back to 18-20 kids and the team would be much stronger."

And less profitable. Let's be realistic.

Agree completely with the comment that an 18-20 player roster would be MUCH STRONGER and less profitable. Charge those 18 families $500 more (they would all pay to be on a stronger team with more playing time) and you have a powerhouse Black team and there is no lost revenue.

When are you people going to get past a powerhouse team idea at these young ages. These girls are still maturating physically and
mentally. I am willing to bet by their Sophomore year in High School more than 50% are no longer playing. Of those still playing some want to, others it is because their PARENTS want them to. It is a shame to watch this great game being destroyed at both the female and male youth level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When are you people going to get past a powerhouse team idea at these young ages. These girls are still maturating physically and
mentally. I am willing to bet by their Sophomore year in High School more than 50% are no longer playing. Of those still playing some want to, others it is because their PARENTS want them to. It is a shame to watch this great game being destroyed at both the female and male youth level.

Stop being so dramatic the sport is not being ruined, you see these over involved parents in every sport.I would be willing to take your bet , a lot of these kids on the elite teams tend to stick with it .I do agree that the discussion of these super elite teams at these young ages is silly and in my opinion usually generated by parents who have not gone thru it before.

handled= in sports termonoligy is shut down. last time i checked lax was a sport. why so mad? thought what was said was truthful.

You all sound so funny, elite 2019,2020 teams, you soud like Yellow Jacket parents. They are just babies, relax and enjoy. There is plenty of time for this nonsense later when thay really develope. Look at the Y.J. 2015 team last year best team in th country, 300 straight wins, 2 time U 15 champs. Speed up to this year, 1 for4 against S.W. , 0 for 2 against M&D, ousted in the quarters down in FLA. Only tournament win at Best of the Beach against no competitive teams. What a difference a year makes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This summer's 2019 teams had 2020 girls playing. The 2019 will move up (if pass tryouts) and the 2020 will become the newer team (after tryouts)

Don't bet on it, A select few will get to choose what team they play on.

That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".

Top Guns, Will put their players in their correct age group. They will NOT push a players up or down to build up a team. That is fact.

How did that statement work out for you, keep drinking the cool aide ,select kids get to choose which age group ,too funny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This summer's 2019 teams had 2020 girls playing. The 2019 will move up (if pass tryouts) and the 2020 will become the newer team (after tryouts)

Don't bet on it, A select few will get to choose what team they play on.

That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".

Top Guns, Will put their players in their correct age group. They will NOT push a players up or down to build up a team. That is fact.

How did that statement work out for you, keep drinking the cool aide ,select kids get to choose which age group ,too funny.

why would a kid play up when there is a team in there own age group ? I understand the 2019 kids on the 2020 last year because there wasn't a team for them to play on last year as 2020's . Staying "up" will only cause problems down the road ....
Coaches go to these tournaments to recruit. what they like about it is they can go watch a 2014 game and see 48 players in an hour all from the graduating class for a spot they are looking to fill......
What do you think will happen when the girl that plays up and gets to her last year with that group and then turns around and trys out for the age group that she was supposed to be in..... we can agree that this kid is an excelent player so when she plays down in the last year for recruiting she will now take a spot from a girl on the black team that she has played for for years and bump that girl down to purple...... I know that this has happened in other programs and there were lots of problems for the girl that did it. players from her team wouldnt talk to her and it caused a lot of drama for everyone involved .
I dont think this is a practice that will be good for TG as an organization

Be

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This summer's 2019 teams had 2020 girls playing. The 2019 will move up (if pass tryouts) and the 2020 will become the newer team (after tryouts)

Don't bet on it, A select few will get to choose what team they play on.

That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".

Top Guns, Will put their players in their correct age group. They will NOT push a players up or down to build up a team. That is fact.

How did that statement work out for you, keep drinking the cool aide ,select kids get to choose which age group ,too funny.

why would a kid play up when there is a team in there own age group ? I understand the 2019 kids on the 2020 last year because there wasn't a team for them to play on last year as 2020's . Staying "up" will only cause problems down the road ....
Coaches go to these tournaments to recruit. what they like about it is they can go watch a 2014 game and see 48 players in an hour all from the graduating class for a spot they are looking to fill......
What do you think will happen when the girl that plays up and gets to her last year with that group and then turns around and trys out for the age group that she was supposed to be in..... we can agree that this kid is an excelent player so when she plays down in the last year for recruiting she will now take a spot from a girl on the black team that she has played for for years and bump that girl down to purple...... I know that this has happened in other programs and there were lots of problems for the girl that did it. players from her team wouldnt talk to her and it caused a lot of drama for everyone involved .
I dont think this is a practice that will be good for TG as an organization

I guess we will all see what happens in seven years. Who cares, if its not your daughter it is not your worry. I am familiar with this situation and If I were the parent of this player I would be pushing for the same exact thing. Truth is it is a very special situation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This summer's 2019 teams had 2020 girls playing. The 2019 will move up (if pass tryouts) and the 2020 will become the newer team (after tryouts)

Don't bet on it, A select few will get to choose what team they play on.

That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".

Top Guns, Will put their players in their correct age group. They will NOT push a players up or down to build up a team. That is fact.

How did that statement work out for you, keep drinking the cool aide ,select kids get to choose which age group ,too funny.

why would a kid play up when there is a team in there own age group ? I understand the 2019 kids on the 2020 last year because there wasn't a team for them to play on last year as 2020's . Staying "up" will only cause problems down the road ....
Coaches go to these tournaments to recruit. what they like about it is they can go watch a 2014 game and see 48 players in an hour all from the graduating class for a spot they are looking to fill......
What do you think will happen when the girl that plays up and gets to her last year with that group and then turns around and trys out for the age group that she was supposed to be in..... we can agree that this kid is an excelent player so when she plays down in the last year for recruiting she will now take a spot from a girl on the black team that she has played for for years and bump that girl down to purple...... I know that this has happened in other programs and there were lots of problems for the girl that did it. players from her team wouldnt talk to her and it caused a lot of drama for everyone involved .
I dont think this is a practice that will be good for TG as an organization

Have seen it done before ,usually either connected parent who thinks their child is too good to play at own age group or the older team coaches realize they will not be nearly as good without the kid.

If you are referring to the situation that I think you are referring to, it is a very unique situation where it is in the best interest of the player to "play up". The player will move down in a few years- well before recruiting age. Lets congratulate Top Guns for doing the right thing.

Oh please- if she can move down later than she can move down now. Let's be real about what's going on!!

is she playing age appropriate now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh please- if she can move down later than she can move down now. Let's be real about what's going on!!

Here's the reality of this, while I agree if this was a connection or a parent with "my own kid is better" googles on, all these argument would fly. This is a case where the player stnds out as the best player on the field while playing up several years. Two years ago she was clearly and by far the best player while playing up two years, and TG moved her down an age group last year. To do it again is seriously messing with her development. The only people who might have any problem with this would have to be parents of teammates on the team she would be staying on, maybe not to have their own kid outshined? I don't get why any of you should care unless its sour grapes. I think she should be playing up 3 or 4 years.

Give me a break the kid is not even that good, lost to a 2020 TG team while playing for another TG team.Best kid while playing up two years , is that a joke .Either your 2018 team is horrible or you are mental. Yes a good player but physically small .Very bad decision to make this kid the one exception , tells me if she is that much better than the rest of our TGs we are in trouble.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh please- if she can move down later than she can move down now. Let's be real about what's going on!!

Here's the reality of this, while I agree if this was a connection or a parent with "my own kid is better" googles on, all these argument would fly. This is a case where the player stnds out as the best player on the field while playing up several years. Two years ago she was clearly and by far the best player while playing up two years, and TG moved her down an age group last year. To do it again is seriously messing with her development. The only people who might have any problem with this would have to be parents of teammates on the team she would be staying on, maybe not to have their own kid outshined? I don't get why any of you should care unless its sour grapes. I think she should be playing up 3 or 4 years.

Sounds like a prodigy

It seems to me that clubs have this "rule" that you play with your school age for a reason! It would also seem that if you make the exception for one then why not for all, regardless of who you are, who your parents are or how good you are! Doesn't look good for the club when you let one girl play the birthdate/ school year card whenever it benefits her most! If she plays with 2019 now then she should end with them as well.

As already stated the parents have no connections. This is a nice young girl who has been coached by SS for 2 yrs. We are so fortunate to have a lax parent more qualified than SS to evaluate a players ability and where they should play. Why dont you call the club director directly and further make a fool of yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Give me a break the kid is not even that good, lost to a 2020 TG team while playing for another TG team.Best kid while playing up two years , is that a joke .Either your 2018 team is horrible or you are mental. Yes a good player but physically small .Very bad decision to make this kid the one exception , tells me if she is that much better than the rest of our TGs we are in trouble.

2018 is likely the strongest young age group in TG's. Joke? No, she has ridiculous stick and shooting skills, aggresive,gound balling, smart, defensive clearing etc...... if TG is in trouble, then so is the rest of elite travel lacrosse because there is no one close at this point. The only real question is will she stay years ahead of the age group or settle back in? You sound like a threatened or sour graped, whatever, hey my daughter is years ahead on town level and very competitive on elite travel level, but I can admit this kid is years beyond on the elite level. If you can't see the talent in this kid you should seriously find a different sport for your daughter to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As already stated the parents have no connections. This is a nice young girl who has been coached by SS for 2 yrs. We are so fortunate to have a lax parent more qualified than SS to evaluate a players ability and where they should play. Why dont you call the club director directly and further make a fool of yourself.

At this point, BOTC is going to end this line of discussion about this young player as it has taken a negative tone in some posts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As already stated the parents have no connections. This is a nice young girl who has been coached by SS for 2 yrs. We are so fortunate to have a lax parent more qualified than SS to evaluate a players ability and where they should play. Why dont you call the club director directly and further make a fool of yourself.

You have a lax parent more qualified than SS to make decisions about her club, you may want to let her and her dad know this.Why don't you give Shannon a call and let her know your feelings to make a further fool of yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It seems to me that clubs have this "rule" that you play with your school age for a reason! It would also seem that if you make the exception for one then why not for all, regardless of who you are, who your parents are or how good you are! Doesn't look good for the club when you let one girl play the birthdate/ school year card whenever it benefits her most! If she plays with 2019 now then she should end with them as well.

Won't be able to play with her team at recruiting and showcase events in a few years. Eventually you have to move back to grad year.

So, how bout them uniforms? LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It seems to me that clubs have this "rule" that you play with your school age for a reason! It would also seem that if you make the exception for one then why not for all, regardless of who you are, who your parents are or how good you are! Doesn't look good for the club when you let one girl play the birthdate/ school year card whenever it benefits her most! If she plays with 2019 now then she should end with them as well.

Won't be able to play with her team at recruiting and showcase events in a few years. Eventually you have to move back to grad year.

Why can't she play at showcase/recruiting events?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, how bout them uniforms? LOL

Yeah, if you expect to play good you better look good. College coaaches are known to walk away from players at tournament because they don't like the uniforms. Maybe they should jack the tuition way up to cover the cost of a top rate uniform. Plenty of other clubs out there with really nice uniforms,if that is what is important to you, you should go seek them out.

These type situations are also created by the weak job US lacrosse does enforcing age groupings.So funny people complain of the age group a child is playing when it is the exact age group the kid should be playing based on skill and age. When they eventually move the child to their correct YOG I think opposing teams will have a more legit complaint.This discussion should be more about appropriate age groupings in general than individual kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, how bout them uniforms? LOL

Yeah, if you expect to play good you better look good. College coaaches are known to walk away from players at tournament because they don't like the uniforms. Maybe they should jack the tuition way up to cover the cost of a top rate uniform. Plenty of other clubs out there with really nice uniforms,if that is what is important to you, you should go seek them out.

You may need to have your medication level checked.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It seems to me that clubs have this "rule" that you play with your school age for a reason! It would also seem that if you make the exception for one then why not for all, regardless of who you are, who your parents are or how good you are! Doesn't look good for the club when you let one girl play the birthdate/ school year card whenever it benefits her most! If she plays with 2019 now then she should end with them as well.

Won't be able to play with her team at recruiting and showcase events in a few years. Eventually you have to move back to grad year.

Why can't she play at showcase/recruiting events?

Most if not all recruiting/showcase events do not allow kids to play outside of the graduation class. It's a recuiting event, coaches are watching many teams and hundereds of kids. They want to know the kids they are watching are all one graduation class.

Let's hope we don't look like the redhead ugly step child again this year and the organization uses the $$ to improve the uniforms. Will it make a girl play better? Who knows, but it can't hurt!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It seems to me that clubs have this "rule" that you play with your school age for a reason! It would also seem that if you make the exception for one then why not for all, regardless of who you are, who your parents are or how good you are! Doesn't look good for the club when you let one girl play the birthdate/ school year card whenever it benefits her most! If she plays with 2019 now then she should end with them as well.

Won't be able to play with her team at recruiting and showcase events in a few years. Eventually you have to move back to grad year.

Why can't she play at showcase/recruiting events?

Most if not all recruiting/showcase events do not allow kids to play outside of the graduation class. It's a recuiting event, coaches are watching many teams and hundereds of kids. They want to know the kids they are watching are all one graduation class.

Not true YJ 2015 goalie played with 14s all along and is already recruited

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It seems to me that clubs have this "rule" that you play with your school age for a reason! It would also seem that if you make the exception for one then why not for all, regardless of who you are, who your parents are or how good you are! Doesn't look good for the club when you let one girl play the birthdate/ school year card whenever it benefits her most! If she plays with 2019 now then she should end with them as well.

Won't be able to play with her team at recruiting and showcase events in a few years. Eventually you have to move back to grad year.

Why can't she play at showcase/recruiting events?

Most if not all recruiting/showcase events do not allow kids to play outside of the graduation class. It's a recuiting event, coaches are watching many teams and hundereds of kids. They want to know the kids they are watching are all one graduation class.

Not true YJ 2015 goalie played with 14s all along and is already recruited

Recruited or Committed?

verbally committed to Notre Dame

Originally Posted by Anonymous

verbally committed to Notre Dame

That's great. Best of luck to you.

So now that winter league has started how did everyone do?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best thing about the Top Guns it is a family organization that puts the girls first. It's NOT take the money and make as many teams needed like some of the other larger ones.

3 teams at 2018 ,you will have as many teams as girls who try out.How do those words taste now that all you have become is the poor mans wanna be yellow jackets.

Originally Posted by kidsgame

So now that winter league has started how did everyone do?

Why don't you tell us

trying to change the subject and get off the hate trend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best thing about the Top Guns it is a family organization that puts the girls first. It's NOT take the money and make as many teams needed like some of the other larger ones.

3 teams at 2018 ,you will have as many teams as girls who try out.How do those words taste now that all you have become is the poor mans wanna be yellow jackets.

Instead of wanna be YJ, most people are playing TG because they don't wanna be YJ's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best thing about the Top Guns it is a family organization that puts the girls first. It's NOT take the money and make as many teams needed like some of the other larger ones.

3 teams at 2018 ,you will have as many teams as girls who try out.How do those words taste now that all you have become is the poor mans wanna be yellow jackets.

Instead of wanna be YJ, most people are playing TG because they don't wanna be YJ's.

Agreed but unfortunately it seems to be the same business model, as many teams as possible ,as much money as possible, politics as usual. Now with the questions about the amount of involvement Shanon will be able to have due to time constraints and NCAA regulations I think the club is heading in the wrong direction, I hope not.

YJ's are still the big name and when in doubt coaches will go with a YJ kid on club name alone. Easier to defend if it doesnt work out.

One could argue that more marginal players are given opportunities in college because the played for YJ then some of the other clubs.

Name definitly opens doors just look at the commitments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJ's are still the big name and when in doubt coaches will go with a YJ kid on club name alone. Easier to defend if it doesnt work out.

One could argue that more marginal players are given opportunities in college because the played for YJ then some of the other clubs.

Name definitly opens doors just look at the commitments.

Name does open doors to a small extent, YJ is a name with clout but so is Shannon Smith. All the NCAA coaches are quite aware of who she is, so that may be a small edge for those looking to continue play in college. Either way your kid still needs to play at a high level to get the nod, simply being from club X or Y doesn't mean much in the end. I would like to think all of the posted commitments were earned by the girls' play and not a factor of the laundry on their back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJ's are still the big name and when in doubt coaches will go with a YJ kid on club name alone. Easier to defend if it doesnt work out.

One could argue that more marginal players are given opportunities in college because the played for YJ then some of the other clubs.

Name definitly opens doors just look at the commitments.

Name does open doors to a small extent, YJ is a name with clout but so is Shannon Smith. All the NCAA coaches are quite aware of who she is, so that may be a small edge for those looking to continue play in college. Either way your kid still needs to play at a high level to get the nod, simply being from club X or Y doesn't mean much in the end. I would like to think all of the posted commitments were earned by the girls' play and not a factor of the laundry on their back.

gpa and sat scores have more to do with it then lax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJ's are still the big name and when in doubt coaches will go with a YJ kid on club name alone. Easier to defend if it doesnt work out.

One could argue that more marginal players are given opportunities in college because the played for YJ then some of the other clubs.

Name definitly opens doors just look at the commitments.

Name does open doors to a small extent, YJ is a name with clout but so is Shannon Smith. All the NCAA coaches are quite aware of who she is, so that may be a small edge for those looking to continue play in college. Either way your kid still needs to play at a high level to get the nod, simply being from club X or Y doesn't mean much in the end. I would like to think all of the posted commitments were earned by the girls' play and not a factor of the laundry on their back.

gpa and sat scores have more to do with it then lax

Not on the early early commits, that is based mostly on Lax. 10th graders don't have enough grades

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Name does open doors to a small extent, YJ is a name with clout but so is Shannon Smith. All the NCAA coaches are quite aware of who she is, so that may be a small edge for those looking to continue play in college. Either way your kid still needs to play at a high level to get the nod, simply being from club X or Y doesn't mean much in the end. I would like to think all of the posted commitments were earned by the girls' play and not a factor of the laundry on their back.

Hofstra has put together a fine Spring schedule which will help establish even additional connections for the Summer Showcase being put together by the Lacrosse-By-3 organization. Expectations should be that the showcase will be a fine regional draw backed by some of the coaches playing against Hofstra this season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best thing about the Top Guns it is a family organization that puts the girls first. It's NOT take the money and make as many teams needed like some of the other larger ones.

3 teams at 2018 ,you will have as many teams as girls who try out.How do those words taste now that all you have become is the poor mans wanna be yellow jackets.

Not true. There were many girls cut from tryouts, at all age groups. 2018 is the only group with 3 teams, due to approx 100 girls at tryouts. They don't take everyone, and have 4 teams at every age group. We're new to TG, and it's been great so far...small, family feel, with solid coaching, and excellent talent. YJ is a great program too...just different, and more of a corporate setup.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best thing about the Top Guns it is a family organization that puts the girls first. It's NOT take the money and make as many teams needed like some of the other larger ones.

3 teams at 2018 ,you will have as many teams as girls who try out.How do those words taste now that all you have become is the poor mans wanna be yellow jackets.

Not true. There were many girls cut from tryouts, at all age groups. 2018 is the only group with 3 teams, due to approx 100 girls at tryouts. They don't take everyone, and have 4 teams at every age group. We're new to TG, and it's been great so far...small, family feel, with solid coaching, and excellent talent. YJ is a great program too...just different, and more of a corporate setup.

I actually round counted closer to 120 kids at ry out for that age group. I wouldn't go as far to say kids were cut though, kids certainly did not make a spot on teams they were trying for and instead went elsewhere.

Purple 2017 is in desperate need of a goalie, despite that both teams looked decent, not much of a difference talent wise. My daughters team will face black next week and we stayed to watch- should be a good matchup. Happy Holidays everyone in the lax community.

2017 beats 2017 purple 19-8 without 2 offensive studs !

Stop with the nonsense they are all corporations and make as many teams as they have kids trying out and accepting positions.Around 90 kids at 2018 tryout ,very good number but to pretend that they want to keep it as a small family is misleading.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 beats 2017 purple 19-8 without 2 offensive studs !

Does that make you feel good? First of all, the girl keeping score made a mistake, and the actual score was 18-9. Purple was missing a few studs also, and has a goalie that's still learning the position. None of that matters though. You're expected to win, so why don't you do so with class, and see how your team stacks up against other "A" teams, not your own program's "B" team...we'll be rooting for 2017 black, being part of Top Guns.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 beats 2017 purple 19-8 without 2 offensive studs !

Am I reading this incorrectly or are you bragging that 2017 Blavk beat 2017 Purple?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 beats 2017 purple 19-8 without 2 offensive studs !

Does that make you feel good? First of all, the girl keeping score made a mistake, and the actual score was 18-9. Purple was missing a few studs also, and has a goalie that's still learning the position. None of that matters though. You're expected to win, so why don't you do so with class, and see how your team stacks up against other "A" teams, not your own program's "B" team...we'll be rooting for 2017 black, being part of Top Guns.

Why are there studs on Purple? Shouldn't they be on Black??
2017 black didn't fare well at all last year against the other top clubs

Congratulations on a nice win, the verbal offers from all the top colleges should start rolling in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 beats 2017 purple 19-8 without 2 offensive studs !

Does that make you feel good? First of all, the girl keeping score made a mistake, and the actual score was 18-9. Purple was missing a few studs also, and has a goalie that's still learning the position. None of that matters though. You're expected to win, so why don't you do so with class, and see how your team stacks up against other "A" teams, not your own program's "B" team...we'll be rooting for 2017 black, being part of Top Guns.

Why are there studs on Purple? Shouldn't they be on Black??
2017 black didn't fare well at all last year against the other top clubs

Good point...I meant studs for the purple level. A couple of their best players..probably not studs on the black level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop with the nonsense they are all corporations and make as many teams as they have kids trying out and accepting positions.Around 90 kids at 2018 tryout ,very good number but to pretend that they want to keep it as a small family is misleading.

They don't have as many teams as there were kids trying out. Do you think everyone was offered a position on a team? Not true. There were about 68 kids at 2017 tryouts, and about 50 offered spots on two teams. 2108 had about 100 kids, and about 75 offered spots on 3 teams. Some kids did not get accepted. That was my only point. It really doesn't matter. Good luck to everyone, on their teams, with whatever program they may be with. It's nice that there are teams for everyone.

My daughter is on 2017 Black and I am embarrassed by the previous post from someone from our team. I have no idea why that parent would post the score. There was no need. My only hope was that it truly wasn't someone from our team and just a pot stirrer. We should all be supporting each other. My daughter said that the Purple team played very well. Please don't judge the rest of us. We will be there during our summer tournaments cheering your team on. We are all part of the same club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is on 2017 Black and I am embarrassed by the previous post from someone from our team. I have no idea why that parent would post the score. There was no need. My only hope was that it truly wasn't someone from our team and just a pot stirrer. We should all be supporting each other. My daughter said that the Purple team played very well. Please don't judge the rest of us. We will be there during our summer tournaments cheering your team on. We are all part of the same club.

That's great to hear. Unfortunately, it probably was a parent from your team, unless it was a pot stirrer, who knew exactly what the scoreboard said. Ya never know. But that's ok, we wouldn't judge you all anyway. Let's all pull for each other as a program, and encourage the girls to do the same!! See you on the field again soon!

I agree with original poster. I am also a parent of the 2017 black and I too am embarrassed about the comment made about beating the purple. It is definitely a pot stirrer. From where I was sitting the parents on black were complementing good plays on both teams. We are one organization and unfortunately there are some people (on both sides) who don't look at it that way. Congratulations to both teams as they both played well despite both teams missing good players. Please stop responding to silly posts that are put on here to cause trouble. JT

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is on 2017 Black and I am embarrassed by the previous post from someone from our team. I have no idea why that parent would post the score. There was no need. My only hope was that it truly wasn't someone from our team and just a pot stirrer. We should all be supporting each other. My daughter said that the Purple team played very well. Please don't judge the rest of us. We will be there during our summer tournaments cheering your team on. We are all part of the same club.

That's great to hear. Unfortunately, it probably was a parent from your team, unless it was a pot stirrer, who knew exactly what the scoreboard said. Ya never know. But that's ok, we wouldn't judge you all anyway. Let's all pull for each other as a program, and encourage the girls to do the same!! See you on the field again soon!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 beats 2017 purple 19-8 without 2 offensive studs !

Ouch! A good old fashioned clock cleaning.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 beats 2017 purple 19-8 without 2 offensive studs !

Ouch! A good old fashioned clock cleaning.

Easy there , the only reason your kids are on black is because Papa begged the higher ups to give you 1 more year. The lack of sportsmanship displayed by black was disturbing. I am also concerned that the lack of playing time for some players will carry over to the summer. Time to mix the girls up and end the clique-it is not benefiting the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2017 beats 2017 purple 19-8 without 2 offensive studs !

Ouch! A good old fashioned clock cleaning.

Easy there , the only reason your kids are on black is because Papa begged the higher ups to give you 1 more year. The lack of sportsmanship displayed by black was disturbing. I am also concerned that the lack of playing time for some players will carry over to the summer. Time to mix the girls up and end the clique-it is not benefiting the team.

C'mon the reason the girls are on black is they are simply the better players the score board reflects that.

Well said, and I agree 100%. -2017 Purple Parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree with original poster. I am also a parent of the 2017 black and I too am embarrassed about the comment made about beating the purple. It is definitely a pot stirrer. From where I was sitting the parents on black were complementing good plays on both teams. We are one organization and unfortunately there are some people (on both sides) who don't look at it that way. Congratulations to both teams as they both played well despite both teams missing good players. Please stop responding to silly posts that are put on here to cause trouble. JT

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is on 2017 Black and I am embarrassed by the previous post from someone from our team. I have no idea why that parent would post the score. There was no need. My only hope was that it truly wasn't someone from our team and just a pot stirrer. We should all be supporting each other. My daughter said that the Purple team played very well. Please don't judge the rest of us. We will be there during our summer tournaments cheering your team on. We are all part of the same club.

That's great to hear. Unfortunately, it probably was a parent from your team, unless it was a pot stirrer, who knew exactly what the scoreboard said. Ya never know. But that's ok, we wouldn't judge you all anyway. Let's all pull for each other as a program, and encourage the girls to do the same!! See you on the field again soon!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 beats 2017 purple 19-8 without 2 offensive studs !

Ouch! A good old fashioned clock cleaning.

Calling Bull S#%T on this post.

YJ parent stirring the pot. Don't buy into it. You know how they are so be smarter than that. Go TG!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 beats 2017 purple 19-8 without 2 offensive studs !

Ouch! A good old fashioned clock cleaning.

Easy there , the only reason your kids are on black is because Papa begged the higher ups to give you 1 more year. The lack of sportsmanship displayed by black was disturbing. I am also concerned that the lack of playing time for some players will carry over to the summer. Time to mix the girls up and end the clique-it is not benefiting the team.

Your comments posted here are not benefitting the team either. Call BS and talk to him. He is interested in your opinion. That is if you are interested in improving the team and your kids situation. You may just like to post from home and stir the pot. Whatever floats your boat but keep in mind you kinda look like a whiner!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 beats 2017 purple 19-8 without 2 offensive studs !

Ouch! A good old fashioned clock cleaning.

Easy there , the only reason your kids are on black is because Papa begged the higher ups to give you 1 more year. The lack of sportsmanship displayed by black was disturbing. I am also concerned that the lack of playing time for some players will carry over to the summer. Time to mix the girls up and end the clique-it is not benefiting the team.

Your comments posted here are not benefitting the team either. Call BS and talk to him. He is interested in your opinion. That is if you are interested in improving the team and your kids situation. You may just like to post from home and stir the pot. Whatever floats your boat but keep in mind you kinda look like a whiner!

I spoke directly to him last year and thought based on his response that things would change. So afr they have not, same clique plays together and excludes other teammates-even as far as whispering to each other about other teammates. While I realize some of these girls are very immature it isi not helping the team gel together by allowing them to only play with each other. My daughter and another girl decided to stick it out for 1 more year, we won't base our decision on the winter league as a dad as a coach. I suggest that the parents of the black team have a chat with their daughters about kindness. Maybe the real coaches should also inform black girls that we are one organization, my daughter has some very good friends on purple and was upset at how some of her teammates made negative remarks about that team.

I do not see why stating the results is an issue and the black teams are supposed to win when playing purple. I can tell you the 2020 black team easily won against the 2019 purple team. The 2019 purple team is a very good team but it seems the 2020 black team is exceptionaly loaded with talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 beats 2017 purple 19-8 without 2 offensive studs !

Ouch! A good old fashioned clock cleaning.

Calling Bull S#%T on this post.

YJ parent stirring the pot. Don't buy into it. You know how they are so be smarter than that. Go TG!!!

How about Mt. Sinai blowing out CSH 23-6 last week. Majority of the girls on Mount Sinai were YJ's. CSH Goalie is the YJ 2015 goalie and the both of the Mt. Sinai coaches on the bench were YJ coaches. One of them is a YJ 2015 coach. What coach would put up 23 goals against their own goalie? Who does that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 beats 2017 purple 19-8 without 2 offensive studs !

Ouch! A good old fashioned clock cleaning.

Easy there , the only reason your kids are on black is because Papa begged the higher ups to give you 1 more year. The lack of sportsmanship displayed by black was disturbing. I am also concerned that the lack of playing time for some players will carry over to the summer. Time to mix the girls up and end the clique-it is not benefiting the team.

Your comments posted here are not benefitting the team either. Call BS and talk to him. He is interested in your opinion. That is if you are interested in improving the team and your kids situation. You may just like to post from home and stir the pot. Whatever floats your boat but keep in mind you kinda look like a whiner!

I spoke directly to him last year and thought based on his response that things would change. So afr they have not, same clique plays together and excludes other teammates-even as far as whispering to each other about other teammates. While I realize some of these girls are very immature it isi not helping the team gel together by allowing them to only play with each other. My daughter and another girl decided to stick it out for 1 more year, we won't base our decision on the winter league as a dad as a coach. I suggest that the parents of the black team have a chat with their daughters about kindness. Maybe the real coaches should also inform black girls that we are one organization, my daughter has some very good friends on purple and was upset at how some of her teammates made negative remarks about that team.

It's every age group. My daughter tried out. Made a team, but refused to to lay for TG. She said the girls at the tryout were mean

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 beats 2017 purple 19-8 without 2 offensive studs !

Ouch! A good old fashioned clock cleaning.

Calling Bull S#%T on this post.

YJ parent stirring the pot. Don't buy into it. You know how they are so be smarter than that. Go TG!!!

How about Mt. Sinai blowing out CSH 23-6 last week. Majority of the girls on Mount Sinai were YJ's. CSH Goalie is the YJ 2015 goalie and the both of the Mt. Sinai coaches on the bench were YJ coaches. One of them is a YJ 2015 coach. What coach would put up 23 goals against their own goalie? Who does that?

Who cares...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 beats 2017 purple 19-8 without 2 offensive studs !

Ouch! A good old fashioned clock cleaning.

Calling Bull S#%T on this post.

YJ parent stirring the pot. Don't buy into it. You know how they are so be smarter than that. Go TG!!!

How about Mt. Sinai blowing out CSH 23-6 last week. Majority of the girls on Mount Sinai were YJ's. CSH Goalie is the YJ 2015 goalie and the both of the Mt. Sinai coaches on the bench were YJ coaches. One of them is a YJ 2015 coach. What coach would put up 23 goals against their own goalie? Who does that?

She's actually the opposing goalie. Their own goalie would be the one in their own net.

Goals are scored against a defense not a Goalie, These indoor games are not really the best for goalies and if the goalie has no defense of help not much he or she can do

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 beats 2017 purple 19-8 without 2 offensive studs !

Ouch! A good old fashioned clock cleaning.

Easy there , the only reason your kids are on black is because Papa begged the higher ups to give you 1 more year. The lack of sportsmanship displayed by black was disturbing. I am also concerned that the lack of playing time for some players will carry over to the summer. Time to mix the girls up and end the clique-it is not benefiting the team.

Your comments posted here are not benefitting the team either. Call BS and talk to him. He is interested in your opinion. That is if you are interested in improving the team and your kids situation. You may just like to post from home and stir the pot. Whatever floats your boat but keep in mind you kinda look like a whiner!

How come every post says call BS? Isn't Shannon Smith the head of Top Guns any more??

Too funny, BS has always been the head honcho which is why I have always found it funny when people state what an accomplishment it is for shanon to run such a great new program.Nice job by TG 2016 , I heard they beat the YJ blue team in the syoset league , yes I realize it was a winter league game but knocking off the top YJ team is a nice accomplishment , I also hear the game was not even very close.

Not the time to gloat, I was there have a kid on the Black.. we are missing a few good players during the winter league and I'm sure so was the YJ. nothing was proven. Better to continue to assimilate the new players on to the team. Syosett Sports Hub is a nice place though

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 beats 2017 purple 19-8 without 2 offensive studs !

Ouch! A good old fashioned clock cleaning.

Calling Bull S#%T on this post.

YJ parent stirring the pot. Don't buy into it. You know how they are so be smarter than that. Go TG!!!

How about Mt. Sinai blowing out CSH 23-6 last week. Majority of the girls on Mount Sinai were YJ's. CSH Goalie is the YJ 2015 goalie and the both of the Mt. Sinai coaches on the bench were YJ coaches. One of them is a YJ 2015 coach. What coach would put up 23 goals against their own goalie? Who does that?

Who cares? its indoor! They are in HS, their feeling shouldn't get hurt. I am sure the goalie didn't care! She probably appreciated the extra work. They shouldn't even keep score in those games!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 beats 2017 purple 19-8 without 2 offensive studs !

Ouch! A good old fashioned clock cleaning.

Calling Bull S#%T on this post.

YJ parent stirring the pot. Don't buy into it. You know how they are so be smarter than that. Go TG!!!

How about Mt. Sinai blowing out CSH 23-6 last week. Majority of the girls on Mount Sinai were YJ's. CSH Goalie is the YJ 2015 goalie and the both of the Mt. Sinai coaches on the bench were YJ coaches. One of them is a YJ 2015 coach. What coach would put up 23 goals against their own goalie? Who does that?

Who cares? its indoor! They are in HS, their feeling shouldn't get hurt. I am sure the goalie didn't care! She probably appreciated the extra work. They shouldn't even keep score in those games!

It's a YJ league and CR likes to keep score. If you were the parent of a goalie you would care.

It wasn't the blue team 1 . It was the second blue team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It wasn't the blue team 1 . It was the second blue team

I thought that the Yellow Jackets were all so much better than all other teams and that both blue teams were equal to each other. Are you now sayong that there is a differencd

if i was the parent of the goalie i would be happy that my kid was getting the opportunity to try to save 30+ shots against kids that shoot well and hard. the score means nothing and im sure the goalie wants to get in as much practice as possible to prepare herself for the real season when it does count. I feel worse for the mount sinai goalie who didnt have that opportunity and probably got little out of that game. plus if the ms coach is also the yj coach of that goalie, he is actually helping her to get better for when she plays for him in the summer. thats what these winter leagues are all about, opportunity to make improvements. having the girls throw the ball around and run the clock prevents the other teams goalie and defense from playing and improving.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It wasn't the blue team 1 . It was the second blue team

I thought that the Yellow Jackets were all so much better than all other teams and that both blue teams were equal to each other. Are you now sayong that there is a differencd

Better be careful, they may send the third blue team out to play you next time!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It wasn't the blue team 1 . It was the second blue team

I thought that the Yellow Jackets were all so much better than all other teams and that both blue teams were equal to each other. Are you now sayong that there is a differencd

Big difference between the blue teams. I'm really not sure why there are two blue teams, does it serve a purpose ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It wasn't the blue team 1 . It was the second blue team

I thought that the Yellow Jackets were all so much better than all other teams and that both blue teams were equal to each other. Are you now sayong that there is a differencd

Better be careful, they may send the third blue team out to play you next time!

I thought there was only one blue team.

Lets talk about our teams!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It wasn't the blue team 1 . It was the second blue team

I thought that the Yellow Jackets were all so much better than all other teams and that both blue teams were equal to each other. Are you now sayong that there is a differencd

Find one person who ever said the blue teams were equal, the game was in actuality very close and to be honest do not know who won. That being said if that was your full TG team ,which I have no idea about ,you would be in big trouble against the other blue team and donor think the game would be even close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It wasn't the blue team 1 . It was the second blue team

I thought that the Yellow Jackets were all so much better than all other teams and that both blue teams were equal to each other. Are you now sayong that there is a differencd

Find one person who ever said the blue teams were equal, the game was in actuality very close and to be honest do not know who won. That being said if that was your full TG team ,which I have no idea about ,you would be in big trouble against the other blue team and donor think the game would be even close.

Ok I'm confused , are you saying the good blue team is better than us, or the bad blue team is better than us. Either way, I would hate to be in an org. That has a parent that would make a.post like the last one,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It wasn't the blue team 1 . It was the second blue team

I thought that the Yellow Jackets were all so much better than all other teams and that both blue teams were equal to each other. Are you now sayong that there is a differencd

Find one person who ever said the blue teams were equal, the game was in actuality very close and to be honest do not know who won. That being said if that was your full TG team ,which I have no idea about ,you would be in big trouble against the other blue team and donor think the game would be even close.

Ok I'm confused , are you saying the good blue team is better than us, or the bad blue team is better than us. Either way, I would hate to be in an org. That has a parent that would make a.post like the last one,

You can't avoid clubs that have embarrassing parents, every team has them and every club has many of them and TGs is no exception. And why is everyone even comparing indoor play? Its practice at best. The only thing you really can take from these games is to look at individual players and if they stand out. The indoor game is very different than outdooors from a team play perspective.

Well said

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It wasn't the blue team 1 . It was the second blue team

I thought that the Yellow Jackets were all so much better than all other teams and that both blue teams were equal to each other. Are you now sayong that there is a differencd

Find one person who ever said the blue teams were equal, the game was in actuality very close and to be honest do not know who won. That being said if that was your full TG team ,which I have no idea about ,you would be in big trouble against the other blue team and donor think the game would be even close.

Ok I'm confused , are you saying the good blue team is better than us, or the bad blue team is better than us. Either way, I would hate to be in an org. That has a parent that would make a.post like the last one,

See post 22614 among others ,you must really hate being a TG I guess.I do agree wiyh you on one thing you are confused.

doesnt matter blue team 1 or blue team 2. at 2016 Yj are not that talented. suffolk allstars beat them more than once.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It wasn't the blue team 1 . It was the second blue team

I thought that the Yellow Jackets were all so much better than all other teams and that both blue teams were equal to each other. Are you now sayong that there is a differencd

Find one person who ever said the blue teams were equal, the game was in actuality very close and to be honest do not know who won. That being said if that was your full TG team ,which I have no idea about ,you would be in big trouble against the other blue team and donor think the game would be even close.

Ok I'm confused , are you saying the good blue team is better than us, or the bad blue team is better than us. Either way, I would hate to be in an org. That has a parent that would make a.post like the last one,

See post 22614 among others ,you must really hate being a TG I guess.I do agree wiyh you on one thing you are confused.

I would hate to be in an Org that has PM as a coach. Go hold his plastic spitoon!

I would hate to be in an org that has a coach like PM who chews tobacco and spits it into a plastic water bottle during the game. Good role model for the girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would hate to be in an org that has a coach like PM who chews tobacco and spits it into a plastic water bottle during the game. Good role model for the girls.

Much better to have a coach who gets drunk all the time

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would hate to be in an org that has a coach like PM who chews tobacco and spits it into a plastic water bottle during the game. Good role model for the girls.

Good coach, but a dirtbag. I wouldn't my kid on his team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

doesnt matter blue team 1 or blue team 2. at 2016 Yj are not that talented. suffolk allstars beat them more than once.

What does that say about your TG team who have lost multiple times to skywalkers while YJ has beaten them several times.The only time your TG 2016 black team played YJ 2016 in the summer TG got smoked,although several years ago..Have the TG2016 team ever won a tournament.Too funny you make fun of PM who has a proven track record of coaching yet I watched your unproven coach of your younger girls falling down drunk in front of his team.PM has never been the official coach of my kids team but would take him over any of your TG coaches.I have seen the way your TG coaches treat each other on the sidelines multiple times, no thanks.The only coach worth anything in your club will not be able to coach your child when it really matters,unless you kick all the kids outside the 50 mile readius off the teams.Good luck.

who do you think you are making value judgments on a person that you obviously do not even know. talk about being a role model? is being a washwoman and verbally abusing a person the values that you want to teach your children? In my opinion, PM is the most dedicated, knowledgeable and caring coach that my children have had the good fortune to have. My daughters love him and respect him and have learned so much because of him. spitting into a water bottle? who really cares!

so if you dont want yur child on his team that is fine but to call someone a dirt bag when yu dont even know him, i would much rather have my daughter around people that truley care about her than someone who stands on hte side line and judges them what is wrong do you need to tear people down to make your self feel better

I don't believe that for one minute! You would want your daughter to play for him.
He is a very good coach and HE TEACHES THE GAME. My daughter really likes to play for him!!!!
He is hard but fair and he pushes the girls.

see thats ur choice and thats fine but what makes me laugh is that u go home at nite and think about this. you must really lead some great life . On this forum no one ever talks about the girls and the fact that 90 percent of them are all friends with each other regardless if they are on yj or tg or any other team. The whole bunch of u are not going to be happy until something bad happens. I find that most of the people are either side lines are nice people so all of u stop acting like asses. Its a game and both teams are there to win but in the end its just a game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

see thats ur choice and thats fine but what makes me laugh is that u go home at nite and think about this. you must really lead some great life . On this forum no one ever talks about the girls and the fact that 90 percent of them are all friends with each other regardless if they are on yj or tg or any other team. The whole bunch of u are not going to be happy until something bad happens. I find that most of the people are either side lines are nice people so all of u stop acting like asses. Its a game and both teams are there to win but in the end its just a game

AMEN!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

who do you think you are making value judgments on a person that you obviously do not even know. talk about being a role model? is being a washwoman and verbally abusing a person the values that you want to teach your children? In my opinion, PM is the most dedicated, knowledgeable and caring coach that my children have had the good fortune to have. My daughters love him and respect him and have learned so much because of him. spitting into a water bottle? who really cares!

I agree, who cares about spitting in a water bottle he's a good coach and a pretty decent guy. Just wait until he takes over the 2019 Blue Caro team next year. He just brought a few more Mt Sinai kids and two of his nieces to that team and it�s been mentioned that they'll be better than his current 2015 team. They'll probably go undefeated for the rest of their YJ careers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

who do you think you are making value judgments on a person that you obviously do not even know. talk about being a role model? is being a washwoman and verbally abusing a person the values that you want to teach your children? In my opinion, PM is the most dedicated, knowledgeable and caring coach that my children have had the good fortune to have. My daughters love him and respect him and have learned so much because of him. spitting into a water bottle? who really cares!

I agree, who cares about spitting in a water bottle he's a good coach and a pretty decent guy. Just wait until he takes over the 2019 Blue Caro team next year. He just brought a few more Mt Sinai kids and two of his nieces to that team and it�s been mentioned that they'll be better than his current 2015 team. They'll probably go undefeated for the rest of their YJ careers.

This is a TG forum, who cares.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

who do you think you are making value judgments on a person that you obviously do not even know. talk about being a role model? is being a washwoman and verbally abusing a person the values that you want to teach your children? In my opinion, PM is the most dedicated, knowledgeable and caring coach that my children have had the good fortune to have. My daughters love him and respect him and have learned so much because of him. spitting into a water bottle? who really cares!

I agree, who cares about spitting in a water bottle he's a good coach and a pretty decent guy. Just wait until he takes over the 2019 Blue Caro team next year. He just brought a few more Mt Sinai kids and two of his nieces to that team and it�s been mentioned that they'll be better than his current 2015 team. They'll probably go undefeated for the rest of their YJ careers.

WOW that is great for those future undefeated girls and Pete....really why would you post that on this thread unless you were starting SH$T. Just move along..............

Originally Posted by Anonymous

who do you think you are making value judgments on a person that you obviously do not even know. talk about being a role model? is being a washwoman and verbally abusing a person the values that you want to teach your children? In my opinion, PM is the most dedicated, knowledgeable and caring coach that my children have had the good fortune to have. My daughters love him and respect him and have learned so much because of him. spitting into a water bottle? who really cares!

I agree, who cares about spitting in a water bottle he's a good coach and a pretty decent guy. Just wait until he takes over the 2019 Blue Caro team next year. He just brought a few more Mt Sinai kids and two of his nieces to that team and it�s been mentioned that they'll be better than his current 2015 team. They'll probably go undefeated for the rest of their YJ careers.

WOW that is great for those future undefeated girls and Pete....really why would you post that on this thread unless you were starting SH$T. Just move along..............

First if you saw who the poster was talking about you would be very skeptical of what club the poster is affiliated with. Further it was one of your own who insisted on talking about PM on this very thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

who do you think you are making value judgments on a person that you obviously do not even know. talk about being a role model? is being a washwoman and verbally abusing a person the values that you want to teach your children? In my opinion, PM is the most dedicated, knowledgeable and caring coach that my children have had the good fortune to have. My daughters love him and respect him and have learned so much because of him. spitting into a water bottle? who really cares!

I agree, who cares about spitting in a water bottle he's a good coach and a pretty decent guy. Just wait until he takes over the 2019 Blue Caro team next year. He just brought a few more Mt Sinai kids and two of his nieces to that team and it�s been mentioned that they'll be better than his current 2015 team. They'll probably go undefeated for the rest of their YJ careers.

WOW that is great for those future undefeated girls and Pete....really why would you post that on this thread unless you were starting SH$T. Just move along..............

First if you saw who the poster was talking about you would be very skeptical of what club the poster is affiliated with. Further it was one of your own who insisted on talking about PM on this very thread.

That's great. Thanks. Ok to talk about TG on this TG thread yet or do we need to talk about Pete and the gang more. Let us know ok.

Why, half the posts on this thread are about YJ. I've never understood it but many are apparently obsessed with them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

who do you think you are making value judgments on a person that you obviously do not even know. talk about being a role model? is being a washwoman and verbally abusing a person the values that you want to teach your children? In my opinion, PM is the most dedicated, knowledgeable and caring coach that my children have had the good fortune to have. My daughters love him and respect him and have learned so much because of him. spitting into a water bottle? who really cares!

I agree, who cares about spitting in a water bottle he's a good coach and a pretty decent guy. Just wait until he takes over the 2019 Blue Caro team next year. He just brought a few more Mt Sinai kids and two of his nieces to that team and it�s been mentioned that they'll be better than his current 2015 team. They'll probably go undefeated for the rest of their YJ careers.

WOW that is great for those future undefeated girls and Pete....really why would you post that on this thread unless you were starting SH$T. Just move along..............

First if you saw who the poster was talking about you would be very skeptical of what club the poster is affiliated with. Further it was one of your own who insisted on talking about PM on this very thread.

That's great. Thanks. Ok to talk about TG on this TG thread yet or do we need to talk about Pete and the gang more. Let us know ok.

Sure let's talk about your TG coaches so far what I know about them is one of them got too drunk to walk in front of his young team , a couple others have threatened to fight each other in front of their young players, your club leader can no longer coach teams that have kids of recruiting age, as predicted before it happened only the special players actually choose what age to play at.None of your coaches have ever coached a TG team to win a significant tournament.Let's keep talking about your TG s ,it's so much fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

who do you think you are making value judgments on a person that you obviously do not even know. talk about being a role model? is being a washwoman and verbally abusing a person the values that you want to teach your children? In my opinion, PM is the most dedicated, knowledgeable and caring coach that my children have had the good fortune to have. My daughters love him and respect him and have learned so much because of him. spitting into a water bottle? who really cares!

I agree, who cares about spitting in a water bottle he's a good coach and a pretty decent guy. Just wait until he takes over the 2019 Blue Caro team next year. He just brought a few more Mt Sinai kids and two of his nieces to that team and it�s been mentioned that they'll be better than his current 2015 team. They'll probably go undefeated for the rest of their YJ careers.

WOW that is great for those future undefeated girls and Pete....really why would you post that on this thread unless you were starting SH$T. Just move along..............

First if you saw who the poster was talking about you would be very skeptical of what club the poster is affiliated with. Further it was one of your own who insisted on talking about PM on this very thread.

That's great. Thanks. Ok to talk about TG on this TG thread yet or do we need to talk about Pete and the gang more. Let us know ok.

Sure let's talk about your TG coaches so far what I know about them is one of them got too drunk to walk in front of his young team , a couple others have threatened to fight each other in front of their young players, your club leader can no longer coach teams that have kids of recruiting age, as predicted before it happened only the special players actually choose what age to play at.None of your coaches have ever coached a TG team to win a significant tournament.Let's keep talking about your TG s ,it's so much fun.

Really.....we could go on for days because as you know there is no shortage of disgusting behavior stories from YJ parents, coaches, players and directors. With that said, even though you would rather "keep it in the gutter" most here would not. I understand there are TG folks doing the same and they should know better. Let's not lower ourselves to the sad depressing viewpoint of the few from both sides of the Mason Dixon Line. Happy Hannukah!

I don�t know how much of this stuff about the coaches is true, but I would hope that a background check that includes a drug test is conducted for all coaches each year. You don�t know if the person coaching your child has a history of violence, is a drug addict or alcoholic. I�m not judging anybody, because these are terrible disorders that I have dealt with in my own family, but if you have an addiction, you should address it and not bring it to the playing field. Our children need to be playing in a safe and healthy environment. A background check that includes CPS records, criminal records and rehab stays should be done and the parents should be made aware if there are any issues. At that point, they should decide if the coach stays or goes. If what you said about a coach being drunk in front of the team is true, he should have been arrested and not allowed to coach at any level. The same goes for any coaches that show up high or act violently.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don�t know how much of this stuff about the coaches is true, but I would hope that a background check that includes a drug test is conducted for all coaches each year. You don�t know if the person coaching your child has a history of violence, is a drug addict or alcoholic. I�m not judging anybody, because these are terrible disorders that I have dealt with in my own family, but if you have an addiction, you should address it and not bring it to the playing field. Our children need to be playing in a safe and healthy environment. A background check that includes CPS records, criminal records and rehab stays should be done and the parents should be made aware if there are any issues. At that point, they should decide if the coach stays or goes. If what you said about a coach being drunk in front of the team is true, he should have been arrested and not allowed to coach at any level. The same goes for any coaches that show up high or act violently.

And people who accuse hard working outstanding people of acts or behavior without proof or merit should be arrested and prosecuted. As you know the accusation, whether true or not is as damning in today's society. I CALL FOR BOTC TO CONTACT THE POSTER OF THE ORIGINAL COMMENT AND DEMAND PROOF OF THE COACHES SOBRIETY AND OFFER AN APOLOGY IF NONE IS GIVEN.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don�t know how much of this stuff about the coaches is true, but I would hope that a background check that includes a drug test is conducted for all coaches each year. You don�t know if the person coaching your child has a history of violence, is a drug addict or alcoholic. I�m not judging anybody, because these are terrible disorders that I have dealt with in my own family, but if you have an addiction, you should address it and not bring it to the playing field. Our children need to be playing in a safe and healthy environment. A background check that includes CPS records, criminal records and rehab stays should be done and the parents should be made aware if there are any issues. At that point, they should decide if the coach stays or goes. If what you said about a coach being drunk in front of the team is true, he should have been arrested and not allowed to coach at any level. The same goes for any coaches that show up high or act violently.

You're nuts. I'm sure they do a background check (they do them at rec league level), drug test probably not. It's not like coaches are making a fortune leading club teams, probably would walk rather than submit to a drug test.....I'd walk and I'm clean. Second, parents should never be allowed to decide whether a coach stays or goes. They only get to decide whether their kid stays or gos. Third, arrested for being drunk in front of the team? Bad choice...yes, should be fired....yes, arrested...on what charge?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And people who accuse hard working outstanding people of acts or behavior without proof or merit should be arrested and prosecuted. As you know the accusation, whether true or not is as damning in today's society. I CALL FOR BOTC TO CONTACT THE POSTER OF THE ORIGINAL COMMENT AND DEMAND PROOF OF THE COACHES SOBRIETY AND OFFER AN APOLOGY IF NONE IS GIVEN.

Send us an e-mail at cagesage@backofthecage.com with your contact information and we can take up your issue. Please supply us the details of your objection. We need to be stepping out of the office for a few minutes and will respond in due course.

As a point of information, this drunken coach issue has been discussed over and over here on BOTC from multiple posters and sources. The level of inebriation is a question left for the legal eagles of the world as the event took place some time ago. At the end of the day, the level of drunkenness is a matter of opinion without specific testing done at the time.

Coaches are always under scrutiny at tournaments and similar events - a reminder to everyone is whether a paid or volunteer coach, that individual is "on the job" and should act accordingly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don�t know how much of this stuff about the coaches is true, but I would hope that a background check that includes a drug test is conducted for all coaches each year. You don�t know if the person coaching your child has a history of violence, is a drug addict or alcoholic. I�m not judging anybody, because these are terrible disorders that I have dealt with in my own family, but if you have an addiction, you should address it and not bring it to the playing field. Our children need to be playing in a safe and healthy environment. A background check that includes CPS records, criminal records and rehab stays should be done and the parents should be made aware if there are any issues. At that point, they should decide if the coach stays or goes. If what you said about a coach being drunk in front of the team is true, he should have been arrested and not allowed to coach at any level. The same goes for any coaches that show up high or act violently.

You're nuts. I'm sure they do a background check (they do them at rec league level), drug test probably not. It's not like coaches are making a fortune leading club teams, probably would walk rather than submit to a drug test.....I'd walk and I'm clean. Second, parents should never be allowed to decide whether a coach stays or goes. They only get to decide whether their kid stays or gos. Third, arrested for being drunk in front of the team? Bad choice...yes, should be fired....yes, arrested...on what charge?

Your right, arresting the person is a bit much, my bad. My comments were not directed toward any individual or club and I didn�t mean to offend anyone. My apologies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don�t know how much of this stuff about the coaches is true, but I would hope that a background check that includes a drug test is conducted for all coaches each year. You don�t know if the person coaching your child has a history of violence, is a drug addict or alcoholic. I�m not judging anybody, because these are terrible disorders that I have dealt with in my own family, but if you have an addiction, you should address it and not bring it to the playing field. Our children need to be playing in a safe and healthy environment. A background check that includes CPS records, criminal records and rehab stays should be done and the parents should be made aware if there are any issues. At that point, they should decide if the coach stays or goes. If what you said about a coach being drunk in front of the team is true, he should have been arrested and not allowed to coach at any level. The same goes for any coaches that show up high or act violently.

You're nuts. I'm sure they do a background check (they do them at rec league level), drug test probably not. It's not like coaches are making a fortune leading club teams, probably would walk rather than submit to a drug test.....I'd walk and I'm clean. Second, parents should never be allowed to decide whether a coach stays or goes. They only get to decide whether their kid stays or gos. Third, arrested for being drunk in front of the team? Bad choice...yes, should be fired....yes, arrested...on what charge?

Your right, arresting the person is a bit much, my bad. My comments were not directed toward any individual or club and I didn�t mean to offend anyone. My apologies.

This drunken coach in front of kids thing has been going on and on, on this site, but it is time to put it into context. The way people are portraying this thing is he was coaching and interacting with his team while drunk. Here is what I know; the incident people are talking about happened at the NCAA championship. I had interacted with this person several times each day of the two days that NU were playing their way to another championship and saw nothing to raise an eyebrow. I did not go back to the tailgating party after the team had won the game so I will not comment on that, but obviously many, many people were celebrating the championship and the MVP award and so on. Were some of the players on his team also present at the tournament and celebrations? Most likely, but you make it sound like he was at a summer tournament drunk on the sideline yelling at his players. If you are going to arrest him for being drunk in front of kids he was not responsible for at the time you are out of your mind, you would have to start arresting many parents as well (from many different clubs).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don�t know how much of this stuff about the coaches is true, but I would hope that a background check that includes a drug test is conducted for all coaches each year. You don�t know if the person coaching your child has a history of violence, is a drug addict or alcoholic. I�m not judging anybody, because these are terrible disorders that I have dealt with in my own family, but if you have an addiction, you should address it and not bring it to the playing field. Our children need to be playing in a safe and healthy environment. A background check that includes CPS records, criminal records and rehab stays should be done and the parents should be made aware if there are any issues. At that point, they should decide if the coach stays or goes. If what you said about a coach being drunk in front of the team is true, he should have been arrested and not allowed to coach at any level. The same goes for any coaches that show up high or act violently.

You're nuts. I'm sure they do a background check (they do them at rec league level), drug test probably not. It's not like coaches are making a fortune leading club teams, probably would walk rather than submit to a drug test.....I'd walk and I'm clean. Second, parents should never be allowed to decide whether a coach stays or goes. They only get to decide whether their kid stays or gos. Third, arrested for being drunk in front of the team? Bad choice...yes, should be fired....yes, arrested...on what charge?

Your right, arresting the person is a bit much, my bad. My comments were not directed toward any individual or club and I didn�t mean to offend anyone. My apologies.

This drunken coach in front of kids thing has been going on and on, on this site, but it is time to put it into context. The way people are portraying this thing is he was coaching and interacting with his team while drunk. Here is what I know; the incident people are talking about happened at the NCAA championship. I had interacted with this person several times each day of the two days that NU were playing their way to another championship and saw nothing to raise an eyebrow. I did not go back to the tailgating party after the team had won the game so I will not comment on that, but obviously many, many people were celebrating the championship and the MVP award and so on. Were some of the players on his team also present at the tournament and celebrations? Most likely, but you make it sound like he was at a summer tournament drunk on the sideline yelling at his players. If you are going to arrest him for being drunk in front of kids he was not responsible for at the time you are out of your mind, you would have to start arresting many parents as well (from many different clubs).

Thanks for clarifying...

Agreed. Lets move on. Thx

They may be exaggerating but so are you ,in my opinion when someone falls down and clearly is struggling to get up before the semifinal north western game and you have seen them drinking they probably drank too much.That being said it is up to the individual parents to determine if this type behavior warrants them removing their chills from the club, personally it is probably nothing worse than most of us did when we were in college.The main problem I would have with his coaching is experience, once again I personally would prefer a coach with at least some experience with girls lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They may be exaggerating but so are you ,in my opinion when someone falls down and clearly is struggling to get up before the semifinal north western game and you have seen them drinking they probably drank too much.That being said it is up to the individual parents to determine if this type behavior warrants them removing their chills from the club, personally it is probably nothing worse than most of us did when we were in college.The main problem I would have with his coaching is experience, once again I personally would prefer a coach with at least some experience with girls lacrosse.

He may have needed to be shoveled into a car by the of the night for all I know, but I had several conversations with him during the tailgate party prior to game and ended up watching 10 or 15 minutes of game with him as he was standing in the endzone walkway. I can vouch for him only for the times I saw him, and I didn't see him passed out as you claim. As for his cooaching ability, my daughter does not play on his team, but I know the team is extremely strong and does very well. But you can't judge coaching ability by that as you know, it may be more of a reflection of the high quality of players put together. This whole argument is silly knocking of yj vs tg coaches, know that nobody is perfect once you start digging.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They may be exaggerating but so are you ,in my opinion when someone falls down and clearly is struggling to get up before the semifinal north western game and you have seen them drinking they probably drank too much.That being said it is up to the individual parents to determine if this type behavior warrants them removing their chills from the club, personally it is probably nothing worse than most of us did when we were in college.The main problem I would have with his coaching is experience, once again I personally would prefer a coach with at least some experience with girls lacrosse.

He may have needed to be shoveled into a car by the of the night for all I know, but I had several conversations with him during the tailgate party prior to game and ended up watching 10 or 15 minutes of game with him as he was standing in the endzone walkway. I can vouch for him only for the times I saw him, and I didn't see him passed out as you claim. As for his cooaching ability, my daughter does not play on his team, but I know the team is extremely strong and does very well. But you can't judge coaching ability by that as you know, it may be more of a reflection of the high quality of players put together. This whole argument is silly knocking of yj vs tg coaches, know that nobody is perfect once you start digging.

Agreed but if you need to exagerate to get your point taken maybe your point is not very valid, no one said he passed out,and if he was not drinking at the tailgate party that would be impressive in that at his age I am sure most of us would have been.I guess it brings up a question as to if these coaches should be drinking around their players.Obviously not during or before games.I have little no issue with them drinking in a social situation as it is part of society and feel I am responsible to teach my kids about such.

just an outsider reading all of this nonsense. Maybe the guy was drunk maybe he wasnt but one thing I can tell u most of the parents there where. Have been gong to tournaments for about 10 years now and have seen coolers for the kids and coolers for the adults. The guy is probably embaressed abnout his behavoir so let him and his team figure it out. You talk about role models I have seen parents act like animals cursing at other players from other teams those r other peoples children maybe we should worry about that rather then some young adult that drank tooo much

Amen. Let's put it to rest.

Sadly we will have the same trashy uniforms as years past. At least 5 different parents that I know of have suggested reasonable vendors to Bill- it's bad enough they play in cheap pinnies, at least get the girls real lacrosse shorts!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sadly we will have the same trashy uniforms as years past. At least 5 different parents that I know of have suggested reasonable vendors to Bill- it's bad enough they play in cheap pinnies, at least get the girls real lacrosse shorts!

And we can hire a hairstylist, manicurist and fashion accessorizor to get them ready before games...lol. Who cares!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sadly we will have the same trashy uniforms as years past. At least 5 different parents that I know of have suggested reasonable vendors to Bill- it's bad enough they play in cheap pinnies, at least get the girls real lacrosse shorts!

And we can hire a hairstylist, manicurist and fashion accessorizor to get them ready before games...lol. Who cares!

You could always join YJ and get a nice unifiorm over there. Maybe if your lucky you can watch PM spit in his water bottle. Or better yet if your from Mt Sinai or related to him you can play on one of his teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sadly we will have the same trashy uniforms as years past. At least 5 different parents that I know of have suggested reasonable vendors to Bill- it's bad enough they play in cheap pinnies, at least get the girls real lacrosse shorts!

And we can hire a hairstylist, manicurist and fashion accessorizor to get them ready before games...lol. Who cares!

The kids care.Will it make them play better, probably not.Will it make college coaches less likely to look at them, definately not.Would it make playing TGs more enjoyable for the girls, possibly.Go to one of the lax for a cure type tournaments and there is no doubt the girls like stylish uniforms.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sadly we will have the same trashy uniforms as years past. At least 5 different parents that I know of have suggested reasonable vendors to Bill- it's bad enough they play in cheap pinnies, at least get the girls real lacrosse shorts!

And we can hire a hairstylist, manicurist and fashion accessorizor to get them ready before games...lol. Who cares!

I agree, don't care they don't have top dollar sequenced uniform, jacket, bags etc.... that is ridiculous especially for the lower tier teams to be investing all that $. It may be a good move by the clubs who offer it with the parents thinking they actually do have a fortune invested in the club and can't leave now. TG does need to step it up however, don't mind the pinney and shorts, but the quality of the products needs to be much better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sadly we will have the same trashy uniforms as years past. At least 5 different parents that I know of have suggested reasonable vendors to Bill- it's bad enough they play in cheap pinnies, at least get the girls real lacrosse shorts!

And we can hire a hairstylist, manicurist and fashion accessorizor to get them ready before games...lol. Who cares!

You could always join YJ and get a nice unifiorm over there. Maybe if your lucky you can watch PM spit in his water bottle. Or better yet if your from Mt Sinai or related to him you can play on one of his teams.

Or you can stay with TG and have your kid coached by some college kid who has no idea what they are doing.The good news when your kid reaches recruiting age the best coach in your organization will not be allowed to have anything to do with your daughter due to NCAA restrictions .Or maybe your TG coaches can threaten each other with violence in front of your young daughter like they did when playing my daughters team, class act all the way .By the way PM actually has a proven history of being a successful coach unlike any coach in your YJ wannabe organization, but keep bringing up his name because you have zero championships to talk about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sadly we will have the same trashy uniforms as years past. At least 5 different parents that I know of have suggested reasonable vendors to Bill- it's bad enough they play in cheap pinnies, at least get the girls real lacrosse shorts!

And we can hire a hairstylist, manicurist and fashion accessorizor to get them ready before games...lol. Who cares!

You could always join YJ and get a nice unifiorm over there. Maybe if your lucky you can watch PM spit in his water bottle. Or better yet if your from Mt Sinai or related to him you can play on one of his teams.

Too funny , a town team coached by PM beat your top TG team just a few weeks ago.How embarrassing when your top TG team loses to a town team of equal age.Yes I know it was a winter game and you were missing all your top players and the refs were against you and it was raining and the wind and sun were in your faces . Still that had to hurt a PM town team smoking your precious top gun black team, I hear the coach was asked to step down after the game, ouch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sadly we will have the same trashy uniforms as years past. At least 5 different parents that I know of have suggested reasonable vendors to Bill- it's bad enough they play in cheap pinnies, at least get the girls real lacrosse shorts!

And we can hire a hairstylist, manicurist and fashion accessorizor to get them ready before games...lol. Who cares!

You could always join YJ and get a nice unifiorm over there. Maybe if your lucky you can watch PM spit in his water bottle. Or better yet if your from Mt Sinai or related to him you can play on one of his teams.

Or you can stay with TG and have your kid coached by some college kid who has no idea what they are doing.The good news when your kid reaches recruiting age the best coach in your organization will not be allowed to have anything to do with your daughter due to NCAA restrictions .Or maybe your TG coaches can threaten each other with violence in front of your young daughter like they did when playing my daughters team, class act all the way .By the way PM actually has a proven history of being a successful coach unlike any coach in your YJ wannabe organization, but keep bringing up his name because you have zero championships to talk about.

Play a new song dude....jeez

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sadly we will have the same trashy uniforms as years past. At least 5 different parents that I know of have suggested reasonable vendors to Bill- it's bad enough they play in cheap pinnies, at least get the girls real lacrosse shorts!

And we can hire a hairstylist, manicurist and fashion accessorizor to get them ready before games...lol. Who cares!

You could always join YJ and get a nice unifiorm over there. Maybe if your lucky you can watch PM spit in his water bottle. Or better yet if your from Mt Sinai or related to him you can play on one of his teams.

Or you can stay with TG and have your kid coached by some college kid who has no idea what they are doing.The good news when your kid reaches recruiting age the best coach in your organization will not be allowed to have anything to do with your daughter due to NCAA restrictions .Or maybe your TG coaches can threaten each other with violence in front of your young daughter like they did when playing my daughters team, class act all the way .By the way PM actually has a proven history of being a successful coach unlike any coach in your YJ wannabe organization, but keep bringing up his name because you have zero championships to talk about.

Play a new song dude....jeez

Which song,the violence, the poor coaching,, the ncaa restrictions,or the defending PM when one of your moronic club members decide to go after him and bring his name up for no reason on a TG thread.The guy has spent countless uncompensated time training kids for nothing more than the fact that he likes to help kids yet people on your club feel the need to try to bring him down.

My mom always told me " if you have nothing nice to say then dont say anything". You should all listen to my mom. My mom also said that" most people dont know what they are talking about 90% of the time". Again I think my mom was 100% right about that regarding the "dopes" on this thread. Sorry mom for using a bad word. Happy Holidays !!!!

Please explain to me y all of u people have to speak like this . You really are all crazy its like u never did anytyhing in your own lives and u r living through ur kids , get over it. Ok u dont like pm dont have ur kid play for him fine u dont like ur tg uniforms switch teams u love ur tg team great but shut up about everyone else. See my mom said clean ur own house before u go looking in someone elses. you really should be ashamed of yourselves

really who are u that at any moment u haveto bring pm into it the were talking about uniforms and u needed to bring his name into it if i didnt know any better i would think u had acrush on him . And what about the mt sinia girls and his so called realatives or who ever havnt they proven themselves

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sadly we will have the same trashy uniforms as years past. At least 5 different parents that I know of have suggested reasonable vendors to Bill- it's bad enough they play in cheap pinnies, at least get the girls real lacrosse shorts!

And we can hire a hairstylist, manicurist and fashion accessorizor to get them ready before games...lol. Who cares!

You could always join YJ and get a nice unifiorm over there. Maybe if your lucky you can watch PM spit in his water bottle. Or better yet if your from Mt Sinai or related to him you can play on one of his teams.

Or you can stay with TG and have your kid coached by some college kid who has no idea what they are doing.The good news when your kid reaches recruiting age the best coach in your organization will not be allowed to have anything to do with your daughter due to NCAA restrictions .Or maybe your TG coaches can threaten each other with violence in front of your young daughter like they did when playing my daughters team, class act all the way .By the way PM actually has a proven history of being a successful coach unlike any coach in your YJ wannabe organization, but keep bringing up his name because you have zero championships to talk about.

Play a new song dude....jeez

Which song,the violence, the poor coaching,, the ncaa restrictions,or the defending PM when one of your moronic club members decide to go after him and bring his name up for no reason on a TG thread.The guy has spent countless uncompensated time training kids for nothing more than the fact that he likes to help kids yet people on your club feel the need to try to bring him down.

Ok president of the PM fan club. We get your position on the matter. Move along. You have your own issues over on your YJ thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My mom always told me " if you have nothing nice to say then dont say anything". You should all listen to my mom. My mom also said that" most people dont know what they are talking about 90% of the time". Again I think my mom was 100% right about that regarding the "dopes" on this thread. Sorry mom for using a bad word. Happy Holidays !!!!

Maybe your mother should have taken her own advice and been quiet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My mom always told me " if you have nothing nice to say then dont say anything". You should all listen to my mom. My mom also said that" most people dont know what they are talking about 90% of the time". Again I think my mom was 100% right about that regarding the "dopes" on this thread. Sorry mom for using a bad word. Happy Holidays !!!!

Maybe your mother should have taken her own advice and been quiet.

Hahaha....that's funny. Calling BS on this anyhow. This is an adult...sad one that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And we can hire a hairstylist, manicurist and fashion accessorizor to get them ready before games...lol. Who cares!

You could always join YJ and get a nice unifiorm over there. Maybe if your lucky you can watch PM spit in his water bottle. Or better yet if your from Mt Sinai or related to him you can play on one of his teams.

Or you can stay with TG and have your kid coached by some college kid who has no idea what they are doing.The good news when your kid reaches recruiting age the best coach in your organization will not be allowed to have anything to do with your daughter due to NCAA restrictions .Or maybe your TG coaches can threaten each other with violence in front of your young daughter like they did when playing my daughters team, class act all the way .By the way PM actually has a proven history of being a successful coach unlike any coach in your YJ wannabe organization, but keep bringing up his name because you have zero championships to talk about.

Play a new song dude....jeez

Which song,the violence, the poor coaching,, the ncaa restrictions,or the defending PM when one of your moronic club members decide to go after him and bring his name up for no reason on a TG thread.The guy has spent countless uncompensated time training kids for nothing more than the fact that he likes to help kids yet people on your club feel the need to try to bring him down.

Ok president of the PM fan club. We get your position on the matter. Move along. You have your own issues over on your YJ thread.

The reality is not that P.M. coached countless hours teaching girls strictly out of the love of the game. The reality is he coached because he knew that he could further his daughters carrier by "donating" his time. though a good player she would not have seen as many minuets if not for her father coaching. So please spare us the martyr of the lacrosse world dramatics. He had his reasons, and not all of them pure

This forum has replaced going to school board meetings on budget vote night as the cheapest entertainment in town!

Heres my 12 days of Xmas for this thread..........

On the 1st day of Xmas ......... Who cares who PM is and what you think of him!

On the 2nd day of Xmas ..........If you think a coach is a drunk take her elsewhere TG isnt the only game in town....Stop telling us about it.

On the 3rd day of Xmas ..........Who cares what the uniforms look like .....i asked my two kids that play TG and they said " I dont care what we wear."

On the 4th day of Xmas ........Get it right SS can coach @ recruiting age she just cant talk to them about Hofstra......Look it up!

On the 5th day of Xmas........Who cares what YJ team beat up on a TG team in winter ball!

On the 6th day of Xmas.......If you think your kids better than my kid keep it to yourself. Stop living through little suzy. Nobody cares!!

On the 7th day of Xmas.......why do YJ hate TG so much and vise versa????

On the 8th day of Xmas .......Why do we have to read about little 10& 11 year old girls dominating each other .....who cares....oh yea mommy and daddy do!

On the 9th day of Xmas.......We should all start worrying about Skywalkers and M&D. They pose more of a threat to TG & YJ

On the 10th day of Xmas.......Maybe the kids can figure it out on the field if the programs stopped avoiding each other all summer.

On the 11th day of Xmas.......Why do TG post about YJ on this thread?

On the 12th day of Xmas ........Why do YJ post on this thread at all??.......

Very True, but I think a lot of people coach for the same reason. Wait until he takes over the 2019 Carow team. I hear they will be unbeatable.

Play a new song dude....jeez [/quote]

Which song,the violence, the poor coaching,, the ncaa restrictions,or the defending PM when one of your moronic club members decide to go after him and bring his name up for no reason on a TG thread.The guy has spent countless uncompensated time training kids for nothing more than the fact that he likes to help kids yet people on your club feel the need to try to bring him down. [/quote]

Ok president of the PM fan club. We get your position on the matter. Move along. You have your own issues over on your YJ thread. [/quote]The reality is not that P.M. coached countless hours teaching girls strictly out of the love of the game. The reality is he coached because he knew that he could further his daughters carrier by "donating" his time. though a good player she would not have seen as many minuets if not for her father coaching. So please spare us the martyr of the lacrosse world dramatics. He had his reasons, and not all of them pure [/quote]

Seems to be the norm on that team

Originally Posted by kidsgame

This forum has replaced going to school board meetings on budget vote night as the cheapest entertainment in town!

Heres my 12 days of Xmas for this thread..........

On the 1st day of Xmas ......... Who cares who PM is and what you think of him!

On the 2nd day of Xmas ..........If you think a coach is a drunk take her elsewhere TG isnt the only game in town....Stop telling us about it.

On the 3rd day of Xmas ..........Who cares what the uniforms look like .....i asked my two kids that play TG and they said " I dont care what we wear."

On the 4th day of Xmas ........Get it right SS can coach @ recruiting age she just cant talk to them about Hofstra......Look it up!

On the 5th day of Xmas........Who cares what YJ team beat up on a TG team in winter ball!

On the 6th day of Xmas.......If you think your kids better than my kid keep it to yourself. Stop living through little suzy. Nobody cares!!

On the 7th day of Xmas.......why do YJ hate TG so much and vise versa????

On the 8th day of Xmas .......Why do we have to read about little 10& 11 year old girls dominating each other .....who cares....oh yea mommy and daddy do!

On the 9th day of Xmas.......We should all start worrying about Skywalkers and M&D. They pose more of a threat to TG & YJ

On the 10th day of Xmas.......Maybe the kids can figure it out on the field if the programs stopped avoiding each other all summer.

On the 11th day of Xmas.......Why do TG post about YJ on this thread?

On the 12th day of Xmas ........Why do YJ post on this thread at all??.......

This is awesome and well thought out. Too bad the offenders won't stop. Well done!

Originally Posted by kidsgame

This forum has replaced going to school board meetings on budget vote night as the cheapest entertainment in town!

Heres my 12 days of Xmas for this thread..........

On the 1st day of Xmas ......... Who cares who PM is and what you think of him!

On the 2nd day of Xmas ..........If you think a coach is a drunk take her elsewhere TG isnt the only game in town....Stop telling us about it.

On the 3rd day of Xmas ..........Who cares what the uniforms look like .....i asked my two kids that play TG and they said " I dont care what we wear."

On the 4th day of Xmas ........Get it right SS can coach @ recruiting age she just cant talk to them about Hofstra......Look it up!

On the 5th day of Xmas........Who cares what YJ team beat up on a TG team in winter ball!

On the 6th day of Xmas.......If you think your kids better than my kid keep it to yourself. Stop living through little suzy. Nobody cares!!

On the 7th day of Xmas.......why do YJ hate TG so much and vise versa????

On the 8th day of Xmas .......Why do we have to read about little 10& 11 year old girls dominating each other .....who cares....oh yea mommy and daddy do!

On the 9th day of Xmas.......We should all start worrying about Skywalkers and M&D. They pose more of a threat to TG & YJ

On the 10th day of Xmas.......Maybe the kids can figure it out on the field if the programs stopped avoiding each other all summer.

On the 11th day of Xmas.......Why do TG post about YJ on this thread?

On the 12th day of Xmas ........Why do YJ post on this thread at all??.......

Like! Thanks, Kidsgame, for the laugh and the much-needed perspective.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very True, but I think a lot of people coach for the same reason. Wait until he takes over the 2019 Carow team. I hear they will be unbeatable.

I wonder how many of his relatives and MS girls are on that team.

Who cares!! Please take this PM/ relatives/mt Sinai nonsense to the Yellow Jacket thread maybe someone over there will give a $&@?

I am playing Top Guns for the 3rd year and have heard alot of teams we play against make fun of our cheap uniforms. Maybe adults dont hear it but we do. The shorts are skin tight even onme and I am only 100 lbs, and the pinnie is to small and always peels off. My team mates feel the same, it seems like it would be easy to get better uniforms so why not? This is not meant to be a mean posting so please dont post mean things back.

The players should weigh in on this not the parents. Good job young lady I hope your wishes are granted by the TG organization !

I agree, I am a 2015 returning player and the uniforms are quite frankly embarrassing. They fit weird and are uncomfortable. Any kind of upgrade should happen this year as the organization is getting better and better. We work hard and I think everyone would be really happy. Thanks.

hope u get what u deserve u girls work very hard good luck

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hope u get what u deserve u girls work very hard good luck

TG, let the teams go out and buy better uniforms and pay for them. Uniforms are included in initial sign up, drop that idea, make the players pay for a better uniform, and catch up with the rest of the lax world.

I'm just laughing my fool head off about the uniform posts. One of my first posts on BOTC was about 91's crappy uniforms and I got my a$$ handed to me for caring about uni's.

Now my daughter is on TG and other people are complaining about uniforms. I'll agree, the shorts fit funny. The lettering on the pinnies peels even though the shop from whence they came tells each and every person who goes back in to have the numbers re-ironed that, "Gee, this has never happened before."

I'd like to see better uni's. Some teams really do have nice looking gear that fits. Last summer I heard a rumor that better uniforms were forthcoming but haven't heard a thing since. In any event, we're all in the same boat and it's far from a deal breaker on our end.

Hey Moron, PM has trained my daughter and never asked for anything in return. My daughter has never played on his daughters YJ team and none of the Mitchel girls are my daughters age. I do not live in the Mount Sinai school district and have no contacts that he could possibly be trying to exploit. I simply approached him for some advice one day the he ended up training my daughter for many hours for no other purpose than wanting to help her become a better player.Cage Sage you can feel free to contact me directly in regard to this in that you clearly have someone posting anonymous lies in regard to PM and should not be tolerated.

I would love new uniforms! Even Liberty updated their uniforms and they look awesome with their last names, we should be allowed to do the same!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Moron, PM has trained my daughter and never asked for anything in return. My daughter has never played on his daughters YJ team and none of the Mitchel girls are my daughters age. I do not live in the Mount Sinai school district and have no contacts that he could possibly be trying to exploit. I simply approached him for some advice one day the he ended up training my daughter for many hours for no other purpose than wanting to help her become a better player.Cage Sage you can feel free to contact me directly in regard to this in that you clearly have someone posting anonymous lies in regard to PM and should not be tolerated.

This guy must be a south pole elf

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cage Sage you can feel free to contact me directly in regard to this in that you clearly have someone posting anonymous lies in regard to PM and should not be tolerated.

Send an e-mail to us at cagesage@backofthecage.com and share your details regarding these posts.

Sorry but that team is horrible if you're talking about top guns 2018 purple. If not.. I'm sorry. They are put in lower brackets and never win anything big. 3 and 1 record in lots of tournaments but never win big. Never. And that's in lower division

Hello? Town teams ARE yellow jacket teams. Doesn't anyone know these kids are born and raised and live in towns? This is where they start. It's the yj who are lucky to have certain town's kids and it is indeed these towns who have developed skills and a love for the game during those early years Wake up
Losers

Yes yes please get us new uniforms Mr Smith

Hey Cage Sage any chance you could start another thread for Top Guns only posting??? PLEASE?!?!?!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Moron, PM has trained my daughter and never asked for anything in return. My daughter has never played on his daughters YJ team and none of the Mitchel girls are my daughters age. I do not live in the Mount Sinai school district and have no contacts that he could possibly be trying to exploit. I simply approached him for some advice one day the he ended up training my daughter for many hours for no other purpose than wanting to help her become a better player.Cage Sage you can feel free to contact me directly in regard to this in that you clearly have someone posting anonymous lies in regard to PM and should not be tolerated.

This guy must be a south pole elf

More like a delusional elf

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but that team is horrible if you're talking about top guns 2018 purple. If not.. I'm sorry. They are put in lower brackets and never win anything big. 3 and 1 record in lots of tournaments but never win big. Never. And that's in lower division

Where would you suggest they place the Purple teams for tournament play? In the same brackets with the Black teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am playing Top Guns for the 3rd year and have heard alot of teams we play against make fun of our cheap uniforms. Maybe adults dont hear it but we do. The shorts are skin tight even onme and I am only 100 lbs, and the pinnie is to small and always peels off. My team mates feel the same, it seems like it would be easy to get better uniforms so why not? This is not meant to be a mean posting so please dont post mean things back.

Ok Mom. Nice try.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am playing Top Guns for the 3rd year and have heard alot of teams we play against make fun of our cheap uniforms. Maybe adults dont hear it but we do. The shorts are skin tight even onme and I am only 100 lbs, and the pinnie is to small and always peels off. My team mates feel the same, it seems like it would be easy to get better uniforms so why not? This is not meant to be a mean posting so please dont post mean things back.

Ok Mom. Nice try.

So this is me again and not a mom, just so you know we played against my friends team today and she said our uniforms are crappy. I hope you have a nice life being nasty.

Yeah... True I guess Good point

The only delusional people on here are you morons paying for your TG so called coaching. Lets see other than your owners daughter how many have actual lacrosse coaching experience. Nice job on your 2014 class maybe in the future they can all sign up to play for Hofstra because no one else wants them. Hofstra , what a bargain, a subpar academic school with a bad D1 girls lacrosse team in the middle of lovely Hempstead. Is there a less desirable school for the money on long island, I do not think so, but please let us know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only delusional people on here are you morons paying for your TG so called coaching. Lets see other than your owners daughter how many have actual lacrosse coaching experience. Nice job on your 2014 class maybe in the future they can all sign up to play for Hofstra because no one else wants them. Hofstra , what a bargain, a subpar academic school with a bad D1 girls lacrosse team in the middle of lovely Hempstead. Is there a less desirable school for the money on long island, I do not think so, but please let us know.

Hope I am nearby to congratulate the person who shuts your suck hole some day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am playing Top Guns for the 3rd year and have heard alot of teams we play against make fun of our cheap uniforms. Maybe adults dont hear it but we do. The shorts are skin tight even onme and I am only 100 lbs, and the pinnie is to small and always peels off. My team mates feel the same, it seems like it would be easy to get better uniforms so why not? This is not meant to be a mean posting so please dont post mean things back.

Ok Mom. Nice try.

So this is me again and not a mom, just so you know we played against my friends team today and she said our uniforms are crappy. I hope you have a nice life being nasty.

Your jersey doesn't matter. The heart underneath it does. Don't get caught up in the nonsense and just work hard. Happy New Year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am playing Top Guns for the 3rd year and have heard alot of teams we play against make fun of our cheap uniforms. Maybe adults dont hear it but we do. The shorts are skin tight even onme and I am only 100 lbs, and the pinnie is to small and always peels off. My team mates feel the same, it seems like it would be easy to get better uniforms so why not? This is not meant to be a mean posting so please dont post mean things back.

Ok Mom. Nice try.

So this is me again and not a mom, just so you know we played against my friends team today and she said our uniforms are crappy. I hope you have a nice life being nasty.

Post wasn't nasty. If you are a child it seems your sensitivity concerning posts and uniforms may lead to some difficulty coping in your future. My advice is take it easy and don't listen to parents that constantly complain. Just play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only delusional people on here are you morons paying for your TG so called coaching. Lets see other than your owners daughter how many have actual lacrosse coaching experience. Nice job on your 2014 class maybe in the future they can all sign up to play for Hofstra because no one else wants them. Hofstra , what a bargain, a subpar academic school with a bad D1 girls lacrosse team in the middle of lovely Hempstead. Is there a less desirable school for the money on long island, I do not think so, but please let us know.

Wow. Do you ever self reflect? Even under the cloak of anonymous posting any decent person wouldn't be posting such ill hatred. Better remain anonymous because I am sure most all of the people from whatever club you play for would shun you for such an ill attitude. These message boards bring out the true colors of people, for better and in your case for worse. TG has people/parents posting similar garbage too, if your daughters playing lacrosse brings out such anger and hatred, why continue to play? You need to relax and seek help (seriously).

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am playing Top Guns for the 3rd year and have heard alot of teams we play against make fun of our cheap uniforms. Maybe adults dont hear it but we do. The shorts are skin tight even onme and I am only 100 lbs, and the pinnie is to small and always peels off. My team mates feel the same, it seems like it would be easy to get better uniforms so why not? This is not meant to be a mean posting so please dont post mean things back.

Ok Mom. Nice try.

So this is me again and not a mom, just so you know we played against my friends team today and she said our uniforms are crappy. I hope you have a nice life being nasty.

Post wasn't nasty. If you are a child it seems your sensitivity concerning posts and uniforms may lead to some difficulty coping in your future. My advice is take it easy and don't listen to parents that constantly complain. Just play.

Thank you and Have a Happy New Year. I always play with my heart and soul. I just thought maybe we would get new uniforms because of the fact that they always peeled of for the last 2 years in a row. It's annoying but I'm glad I made the team again.

great post. dont put it past a fellow tg parent trying to stir it up.

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only delusional people on here are you morons paying for your TG so called coaching. Lets see other than your owners daughter how many have actual lacrosse coaching experience. Nice job on your 2014 class maybe in the future they can all sign up to play for Hofstra because no one else wants them. Hofstra , what a bargain, a subpar academic school with a bad D1 girls lacrosse team in the middle of lovely Hempstead. Is there a less desirable school for the money on long island, I do not think so, but please let us know.

Hope I am nearby to congratulate the person who shuts your suck hole some day.

The only thing that you said that makes sense is that you hope you are standing nearby too afraid to actually be involved, makes sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only delusional people on here are you morons paying for your TG so called coaching. Lets see other than your owners daughter how many have actual lacrosse coaching experience. Nice job on your 2014 class maybe in the future they can all sign up to play for Hofstra because no one else wants them. Hofstra , what a bargain, a subpar academic school with a bad D1 girls lacrosse team in the middle of lovely Hempstead. Is there a less desirable school for the money on long island, I do not think so, but please let us know.

Wow. Do you ever self reflect? Even under the cloak of anonymous posting any decent person wouldn't be posting such ill hatred. Better remain anonymous because I am sure most all of the people from whatever club you play for would shun you for such an ill attitude. These message boards bring out the true colors of people, for better and in your case for worse. TG has people/parents posting similar garbage too, if your daughters playing lacrosse brings out such anger and hatred, why continue to play? You need to relax and seek help (seriously).

I find it interesting that you are so appalled when someone has an opinion about a school, yet when one of your TG parents go after an individual coach or worse yet his daughter you are silent.Was the posting about Hofstra harsh , yes, was it way off base, who knows.The school is expensive , but if people want to spend that kind of money its their business.As far as TG uniforms , sure they could be nicer but it won't make them any better or worse players .I hope people are not basing what club their child plays for based on uniforms.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only delusional people on here are you morons paying for your TG so called coaching. Lets see other than your owners daughter how many have actual lacrosse coaching experience. Nice job on your 2014 class maybe in the future they can all sign up to play for Hofstra because no one else wants them. Hofstra , what a bargain, a subpar academic school with a bad D1 girls lacrosse team in the middle of lovely Hempstead. Is there a less desirable school for the money on long island, I do not think so, but please let us know.

its all about the swag!

Wow. Do you ever self reflect? Even under the cloak of anonymous posting any decent person wouldn't be posting such ill hatred. Better remain anonymous because I am sure most all of the people from whatever club you play for would shun you for such an ill attitude. These message boards bring out the true colors of people, for better and in your case for worse. TG has people/parents posting similar garbage too, if your daughters playing lacrosse brings out such anger and hatred, why continue to play? You need to relax and seek help (seriously).

I find it interesting that you are so appalled when someone has an opinion about a school, yet when one of your TG parents go after an individual coach or worse yet his daughter you are silent.Was the posting about Hofstra harsh , yes, was it way off base, who knows.The school is expensive , but if people want to spend that kind of money its their business.As far as TG uniforms , sure they could be nicer but it won't make them any better or worse players .I hope people are not basing what club their child plays for based on uniforms.

The funny thing about the post concerning Hofstra being in hempstead is this. Has the fool who wrote the pose ever been to some of the top colleges in the country? I guess not, because Duke is in one of the worst parts of Durham, John Hopkins is in on of the worst parts of Baltimore, Temple is in one of the worst parts of Philly, and Yale is in o slum in New Haven. This guy is at least uneducated as far as college towns go

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The funny thing about the post concerning Hofstra being in hempstead is this. Has the fool who wrote the pose ever been to some of the top colleges in the country? I guess not, because Duke is in one of the worst parts of Durham, John Hopkins is in on of the worst parts of Baltimore, Temple is in one of the worst parts of Philly, and Yale is in o slum in New Haven. This guy is at least uneducated as far as college towns go

While the post office box for Hofstra reads "Hempstead", the campus is certainly on the outside edge of what one might attempt to confer with this "Hempstead" label. The Hofstra campus, along with many others in the United States including Duke and Hopkins (not sure about Temple), maintain a substantial security presence and a "blue light" program available to any campus visitor feeling unsafe for any reason.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only delusional people on here are you morons paying for your TG so called coaching. Lets see other than your owners daughter how many have actual lacrosse coaching experience. Nice job on your 2014 class maybe in the future they can all sign up to play for Hofstra because no one else wants them. Hofstra , what a bargain, a subpar academic school with a bad D1 girls lacrosse team in the middle of lovely Hempstead. Is there a less desirable school for the money on long island, I do not think so, but please let us know.

Hope I am nearby to congratulate the person who shuts your suck hole some day.

The only thing that you said that makes sense is that you hope you are standing nearby too afraid to actually be involved, makes sense.

Afraid? You won't even register. Talk about being a coward!

Congrats to Shannon Smith who is ripping it up right now on Team USA!

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only delusional people on here are you morons paying for your TG so called coaching. Lets see other than your owners daughter how many have actual lacrosse coaching experience. Nice job on your 2014 class maybe in the future they can all sign up to play for Hofstra because no one else wants them. Hofstra , what a bargain, a subpar academic school with a bad D1 girls lacrosse team in the middle of lovely Hempstead. Is there a less desirable school for the money on long island, I do not think so, but please let us know.

Hope I am nearby to congratulate the person who shuts your suck hole some day.

The only thing that you said that makes sense is that you hope you are standing nearby too afraid to actually be involved, makes sense.

Afraid? You won't even register. Talk about being a coward!

I do think it's funny that Hofstra only recruited 2014 from TG I guess it just goes to show you the real reason people play TG. A subpar school is an understatement and realistically what experience does a 22 year old have that makes her suitable to coach the college level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do think it's funny that Hofstra only recruited 2014 from TG I guess it just goes to show you the real reason people play TG. A subpar school is an understatement and realistically what experience does a 22 year old have that makes her suitable to coach the college level.

Let's start with the academics at Hofstra University. With increasing SAT Board Scores and increasing application rates, Hofstra has continued to diversify its base pulling more than half the student body from outside New [lacrosse] at this point.

The introduction of the medical school has led the University to invest heavily in the undergraduate science programs including the laboratory sciences. More than $5M is being invested in the new College of Engineering and Applied Sciences (carved from the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences). From a post-graduate perspective, the Physician's Assistants program is just one of the medical disciplines that you are now seeing emerge. Expect a nursing program to emerge within the next two years.

Yes, the medical school did come at the expense of their continued funding of the Division I football program, however from an academic perspective, the investment is well placed.

Turning to lacrosse, you are incorrect that Coach Smith exclusively recruited Long Island or the Top Guns program. You need to find a new source for your information as we have the on-the-ground story for the entering Class of 2014.

As for the experience question, if this is a major issue for you, do not send your child to Hofstra to participate in WLAX. Taking this approach frees you from worrying about how the recruitment moves forward.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The funny thing about the post concerning Hofstra being in hempstead is this. Has the fool who wrote the pose ever been to some of the top colleges in the country? I guess not, because Duke is in one of the worst parts of Durham, John Hopkins is in on of the worst parts of Baltimore, Temple is in one of the worst parts of Philly, and Yale is in o slum in New Haven. This guy is at least uneducated as far as college towns go

The funny thing about your post is your comparing Hofstra to some of the best academic schools in the nation .Then you go as if he said those schools are in great college towns when he did not. Further to compare Hofstra campus to Yale,Hopkins ,or Duke would make you the fool.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do think it's funny that Hofstra only recruited 2014 from TG I guess it just goes to show you the real reason people play TG. A subpar school is an understatement and realistically what experience does a 22 year old have that makes her suitable to coach the college level.

Let's start with the academics at Hofstra University. With increasing SAT Board Scores and increasing application rates, Hofstra has continued to diversify its base pulling more than half the student body from outside New [lacrosse] at this point.

The introduction of the medical school has led the University to invest heavily in the undergraduate science programs including the laboratory sciences. More than $5M is being invested in the new College of Engineering and Applied Sciences (carved from the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences). From a post-graduate perspective, the Physician's Assistants program is just one of the medical disciplines that you are now seeing emerge. Expect a nursing program to emerge within the next two years.

Yes, the medical school did come at the expense of their continued funding of the Division I football program, however from an academic perspective, the investment is well placed.

Turning to lacrosse, you are incorrect that Coach Smith exclusively recruited Long Island or the Top Guns program. You need to find a new source for your information as we have the on-the-ground story for the entering Class of 2014.

As for the experience question, if this is a major issue for you, do not send your child to Hofstra to participate in WLAX. Taking this approach frees you from worrying about how the recruitment moves forward.

SS did not respond to one email that any YJ sent her...fact!!!

Congratulations to Shannon on being one of the best women's lacrosse players in the country.A check of the facts about Hofstra show it to be ranked 442 in Forbes best college list and at a greater cost when compared to any school ranked lower.Say what you want but not a great deal for the money.When Shannon was first named as head coach some asked if it may impact the recruiting of YJ players to Hofstra.Many thought that was ridiculous, it seems to me it may have.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SS did not respond to one email that any YJ sent her...fact!!!

Fact #1 : If these e-mails were sent from your current seniors, the blame for a lack of response comes down to Abby Morgan.

Fact #2 : Send us the names of your Yellow Jackets players that want consideration from Coach Smith. We give you our word here at Back of the Cage that we will get those names in front of Shannon with immediate consideration - no joking, no grandstanding. BOTC is here to help the players get to their target schools and if you believe that you have a player, Yellow Jackets or otherwise, that is being overlooked, we want to know. Send me an e-mail to cagesage@backofthecage.com in complete confidence with the players in question. BOTC guarantees that these players will be addressed immediately.

Fact #3 : Philadelphia, Pennsylvania region - really? Do not make us question the offer in Fact #2. We will expect your e-mail in the next 24 hours.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations to Shannon on being one of the best women's lacrosse players in the country.A check of the facts about Hofstra show it to be ranked 442 in Forbes best college list and at a greater cost when compared to any school ranked lower.Say what you want but not a great deal for the money.When Shannon was first named as head coach some asked if it may impact the recruiting of YJ players to Hofstra.Many thought that was ridiculous, it seems to me it may have.

In the latest US News and World Reports Collegiate Rankings, Hofstra is #134.

US News and World Reports Review : Hofstra University

As for the Forbes listing, please see the following listing :

Forbes Top 100 College Listing

Forbes listing is not well accepted in the industry when compared to USN&WR. That does not invalidate their rankings, however their value-for-money calculations are subject to substantial questioning within the college circuit. In other words, Forbes provides some nice marketing fodder, however USN&WR is still the benchmark against which colleges are measured.

Let me through this out there and see the responses.
Is it possible many YJ kids and parents haven't tried to contact Hofstra because of their hatred of SS and the TGs? Here we go...

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Let me through this out there and see the responses.
Is it possible many YJ kids and parents haven't tried to contact Hofstra because of their hatred of SS and the TGs? Here we go...

That so called hatred is not something everyone posses. Based on Cage Sage response my thoughts are the old coach didn't pass along names and SS had easy access to her players. It's that simple.

agree

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Let me through this out there and see the responses.
Is it possible many YJ kids and parents haven't tried to contact Hofstra because of their hatred of SS and the TGs? Here we go...

That so called hatred is not something everyone posses. Based on Cage Sage response my thoughts are the old coach didn't pass along names and SS had easy access to her players. It's that simple.

One of SS first commits was a 2013 YJ, it's om YJ website!

Is it true the SS was going to take over as the coach of Lindenhurst Girls Lacrosse before she accepted the position at Hofstra? Too bad if it's true.

It seems Stony Brook does not look at any TG kids. What is the connection between YJs and Stony Brook?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it true the SS was going to take over as the coach of Lindenhurst Girls Lacrosse before she accepted the position at Hofstra? Too bad if it's true.

It was Bay Shore.

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

It seems Stony Brook does not look at any TG kids. What is the connection between YJs and Stony Brook?

PM

Anyone see the NorthwesternU V USA game today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

It seems Stony Brook does not look at any TG kids. What is the connection between YJs and Stony Brook?

PM

Liberty either

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone see the NorthwesternU V USA game today?

I caught the second half on my laptop. Fun to watch. I wish I had the time/energy to go see the World Cup (is that what it's called?) in July but I'll be pretty road weary by that point.

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

It seems Stony Brook does not look at any TG kids. What is the connection between YJs and Stony Brook?

If a TG, Liberty or non Club Lax Player could help Stony Brook improve and win, Spallina would take them in a heart beat...it's all about putting quality players on the field and winning at the college level.

Same w/ Hofstra and YJ players....

Please don't fool yourself!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

It seems Stony Brook does not look at any TG kids. What is the connection between YJs and Stony Brook?

If a TG, Liberty or non Club Lax Player could help Stony Brook improve and win, Spallina would take them in a heart beat...it's all about putting quality players on the field and winning at the college level.

Same w/ Hofstra and YJ players....

Please don't fool yourself!

Hi, you must be the ostrich with their head in the sand.
There is no doubt there are a bunch of TG and Liberty kids who could help Stony Brook improve....like maybe some of the highest recruited kids in the country who happen to be TGs. Oh yeah Stony Brook has won the National Championship the last few years right. C'mon Man! Who's fooling who!

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it true the SS was going to take over as the coach of Lindenhurst Girls Lacrosse before she accepted the position at Hofstra? Too bad if it's true.

It was Bay Shore.

Would have been nice to have her run the Lindy program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

It seems Stony Brook does not look at any TG kids. What is the connection between YJs and Stony Brook?

If a TG, Liberty or non Club Lax Player could help Stony Brook improve and win, Spallina would take them in a heart beat...it's all about putting quality players on the field and winning at the college level.

Same w/ Hofstra and YJ players....

Please don't fool yourself!

Hi, you must be the ostrich with their head in the sand.
There is no doubt there are a bunch of TG and Liberty kids who could help Stony Brook improve....like maybe some of the highest recruited kids in the country who happen to be TGs. Oh yeah Stony Brook has won the National Championship the last few years right. C'mon Man! Who's fooling who!

So, the top recruits all want to get into SBU? I don't think so...The first one's that want to go to SBU or Hofstra will gladly be welcomed, Mr. Ostrich...The offers go to the best available girls ...Unfortunately the tops from all the LI Clubs usually run from LI...

SBU is now ranked in the top 20...as they and Hofstra move up the rankings, the better the recruits that end up there... From ALL programs...

I will look for you on the sidelines this summer...Take your hat off before putting YOUR head back in the sand...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

It seems Stony Brook does not look at any TG kids. What is the connection between YJs and Stony Brook?

If a TG, Liberty or non Club Lax Player could help Stony Brook improve and win, Spallina would take them in a heart beat...it's all about putting quality players on the field and winning at the college level.

Same w/ Hofstra and YJ players....

Please don't fool yourself!

Hi, you must be the ostrich with their head in the sand.
There is no doubt there are a bunch of TG and Liberty kids who could help Stony Brook improve....like maybe some of the highest recruited kids in the country who happen to be TGs. Oh yeah Stony Brook has won the National Championship the last few years right. C'mon Man! Who's fooling who!

So, the top recruits all want to get into SBU? I don't think so...The first one's that want to go to SBU or Hofstra will gladly be welcomed, Mr. Ostrich...The offers go to the best available girls ...Unfortunately the tops from all the LI Clubs usually run from LI...

SBU is now ranked in the top 20...as they and Hofstra move up the rankings, the better the recruits that end up there... From ALL programs...

I will look for you on the sidelines this summer...Take your hat off before putting YOUR head back in the sand...

Funny thing is LI had such a such draw for college coaches years ago...now not so much. If you look at the college commits there are more MD, PA, and VA girls committed to D1 schools then NY

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

It seems Stony Brook does not look at any TG kids. What is the connection between YJs and Stony Brook?

If a TG, Liberty or non Club Lax Player could help Stony Brook improve and win, Spallina would take them in a heart beat...it's all about putting quality players on the field and winning at the college level.

Same w/ Hofstra and YJ players....

Please don't fool yourself!

Hi, you must be the ostrich with their head in the sand.
There is no doubt there are a bunch of TG and Liberty kids who could help Stony Brook improve....like maybe some of the highest recruited kids in the country who happen to be TGs. Oh yeah Stony Brook has won the National Championship the last few years right. C'mon Man! Who's fooling who!

So, the top recruits all want to get into SBU? I don't think so...The first one's that want to go to SBU or Hofstra will gladly be welcomed, Mr. Ostrich...The offers go to the best available girls ...Unfortunately the tops from all the LI Clubs usually run from LI...

SBU is now ranked in the top 20...as they and Hofstra move up the rankings, the better the recruits that end up there... From ALL programs...

I will look for you on the sidelines this summer...Take your hat off before putting YOUR head back in the sand...

Funny thing is LI had such a such draw for college coaches years ago...now not so much. If you look at the college commits there are more MD, PA, and VA girls committed to D1 schools then NY

Upstate, NJ, MA, CT, FL, TX and CA coming on strong too.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone see the NorthwesternU V USA game today?

I caught the second half on my laptop. Fun to watch. I wish I had the time/energy to go see the World Cup (is that what it's called?) in July but I'll be pretty road weary by that point.

Hard to believe a player as dominant as Shannon only a few months ago playing in NCAA final not getting selected for 2013 World Team??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to believe a player as dominant as Shannon only a few months ago playing in NCAA final not getting selected for 2013 World Team??

Exactly. Think about the reason.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to believe a player as dominant as Shannon only a few months ago playing in NCAA final not getting selected for 2013 World Team??

Exactly. Think about the reason.

Is she too dominant? That's kinda like too much money isn't it? There is no reason she shouldn't be on that roster other than some are threatened by her. What do you think could be the reason?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to believe a player as dominant as Shannon only a few months ago playing in NCAA final not getting selected for 2013 World Team??

Exactly. Think about the reason.

Is she too dominant? That's kinda like too much money isn't it? There is no reason she shouldn't be on that roster other than some are threatened by her. What do you think could be the reason?

Other commitments? Besides the Hofstra job, she owns a business.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to believe a player as dominant as Shannon only a few months ago playing in NCAA final not getting selected for 2013 World Team??

Exactly. Think about the reason.

Is she too dominant? That's kinda like too much money isn't it? There is no reason she shouldn't be on that roster other than some are threatened by her. What do you think could be the reason?

Other commitments? Besides the Hofstra job, she owns a business.

Thank you, Powderfinger. Nice to see folks in the ether are actually still connecting the lacrosse dots

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to believe a player as dominant as Shannon only a few months ago playing in NCAA final not getting selected for 2013 World Team??

Exactly. Think about the reason.

Is she too dominant? That's kinda like too much money isn't it? There is no reason she shouldn't be on that roster other than some are threatened by her. What do you think could be the reason?

Other commitments? Besides the Hofstra job, she owns a business.

Thank you, Powderfinger. Nice to see folks in the ether are actually still connecting the lacrosse dots

You know I would never Step on your opinion but that would mean she went through the paces of traveling, practicing and playing with team USA only to bow out now due to other commitments. Keep in mind a lot of the other US players are also D1 coaches and own clubs. Some are still students. With that said I think there are more dots to connect here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You know I would never Step on your opinion but that would mean she went through the paces of traveling, practicing and playing with team USA only to bow out now due to other commitments. Keep in mind a lot of the other US players are also D1 coaches and own clubs. Some are still students. With that said I think there are more dots to connect here.

Your post got us thinking and working on the story. Give us a day and we will get the official news.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You know I would never Step on your opinion but that would mean she went through the paces of traveling, practicing and playing with team USA only to bow out now due to other commitments. Keep in mind a lot of the other US players are also D1 coaches and own clubs. Some are still students. With that said I think there are more dots to connect here.

Still an awesome experience - and she got to play against her former teammates at Northwestern. Everything up until now happened during her off season, maybe it's too much of a commitment/conflict going forward. As long as the USA staff knew of her plans going in, I don't see a problem with it.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to believe a player as dominant as Shannon only a few months ago playing in NCAA final not getting selected for 2013 World Team??

Exactly. Think about the reason.

Is she too dominant? That's kinda like too much money isn't it? There is no reason she shouldn't be on that roster other than some are threatened by her. What do you think could be the reason?

Other commitments? Besides the Hofstra job, she owns a business.

Thank you, Powderfinger. Nice to see folks in the ether are actually still connecting the lacrosse dots

Half the players on the team are coaching a college program somewhere, even start ups like USC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to believe a player as dominant as Shannon only a few months ago playing in NCAA final not getting selected for 2013 World Team??

Exactly. Think about the reason.

Is she too dominant? That's kinda like too much money isn't it? There is no reason she shouldn't be on that roster other than some are threatened by her. What do you think could be the reason?

Other commitments? Besides the Hofstra job, she owns a business.

Thank you, Powderfinger. Nice to see folks in the ether are actually still connecting the lacrosse dots

Half the players on the team are coaching a college program somewhere, even start ups like USC

If your logic is trying to say she is not good enough to play on the team, that is laughable. She is the all time scoring leader at the most dominant D1 schools and highly awarded and decorated athletes from both conference and NCAA. Many of the catfighting, club jealous parents you find on these threads and the opionions and comments they make are often just plain silly. Opinions of her as a player from respectful coaches, refs and other D1 credible followers generally put her in the discussion as one of the best players to ever step foot on the feild. You can dislike her because she is the director of a rival club, you can dislike from a jealous competitive standpoint, but to try to argue her playing ability is a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

[quote=Anonymous][quote=CageSage][quote=Anonymous]Hard to believe a player as dominant as Shannon only a few months ago playing in NCAA final not getting selected for 2013 World Team??

Exactly. Think about the reason.

Is she too dominant? That's kinda like too much money isn't it? There is no reason she shouldn't be on that roster other than some are threatened by her. What do you think could be the reason?

If your logic is trying to say she is not good enough to play on the team, that is laughable. She is the all time scoring leader at the most dominant D1 schools and highly awarded and decorated athletes from both conference and NCAA. Many of the catfighting, club jealous parents you find on these threads and the opionions and comments they make are often just plain silly. Opinions of her as a player from respectful coaches, refs and other D1 credible followers generally put her in the discussion as one of the best players to ever step foot on the feild. You can dislike her because she is the director of a rival club, you can dislike from a jealous competitive standpoint, but to try to argue her playing ability is a joke.

I dont think anyone is disagreeing with her talent but she certainly didnt look to be in the same shape that she had been at the conclusion of the NCAA tournament. The burdens of coaching a D1 program and running a successful club program most definitively contributed to that fact. This is the national team we are talking about and past performance doesnt cut it when there are 24 other women that want it just as badly.

No one has come on hear and said she is not one of the best players to have played the game .Using your logic ARod is going to hit 50 homers this year.To not even accept the possibility that her skills have diminished slightly is silly. She was not as dominant a player her last year as the year prior and may not be in the best shape of her life at the moment.It happens to all athletes ,some earlier ,some later.The other players trying out are no slouches ,some would also fall under the heading of the games best players.

She didn't make the team this year, what's the big deal? She had a great ride while it lasted!

And don't discount the politics involved here. If you think the politics of town teams, high school or travel teams, tournament teams, all american selections etc.... are ridiculous, multiply it by 10 for the next level.

www.gohofstra.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=22200&...

No offense ,nice article but physically not even remotely the same player she was 1 year ago.You cannot pull the politics card when you are going to use all of her accolades as the reason she is one of the best players to have played the game.She won the award as the best college player because she deserved it and perhaps she did not make the team because she did not deserve it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

www.gohofstra.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=22200&...

No offense ,nice article but physically not even remotely the same player she was 1 year ago.You cannot pull the politics card when you are going to use all of her accolades as the reason she is one of the best players to have played the game.She won the award as the best college player because she deserved it and perhaps she did not make the team because she did not deserve it.

Agreed, and many of us who watched the game saw the physical difference. Anyone else notice the cold shoulder her teammates gave her?

Bottom line is that she gained to much weight and was slow in LarryMiller.
She could not keep up with the other girls. She was a great
College player but college is over. I don't think politics played a part in the
Coaches final decision. The other players were better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bottom line is that she gained to much weight and was slow in LarryMiller.
She could not keep up with the other girls. She was a great
College player but college is over. I don't think politics played a part in the
Coaches final decision. The other players were better.

And she still managed to score 3 goals on Sunday. Bottom line is, no one but SS and US coaches know why she wasn't selected...

All this chatter is nothing but speculation....

the haters say she was cut because her best years are behind her...the lovers say it was her choice because she's too busy ....

BOTC probably won't ever know the truth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bottom line is that she gained to much weight and was slow in LarryMiller.
She could not keep up with the other girls. She was a great
College player but college is over. I don't think politics played a part in the
Coaches final decision. The other players were better.

And she still managed to score 3 goals on Sunday. Bottom line is, no one but SS and US coaches know why she wasn't selected...

All this chatter is nothing but speculation....

the haters say she was cut because her best years are behind her...the lovers say it was her choice because she's too busy ....

BOTC probably won't ever know the truth.

BOTC has actually spoken with Shannon over e-mail on this entire subject.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bottom line is that she gained to much weight and was slow in LarryMiller.
She could not keep up with the other girls. She was a great
College player but college is over. I don't think politics played a part in the
Coaches final decision. The other players were better.

And she still managed to score 3 goals on Sunday. Bottom line is, no one but SS and US coaches know why she wasn't selected...

All this chatter is nothing but speculation....

the haters say she was cut because her best years are behind her...the lovers say it was her choice because she's too busy ....

BOTC probably won't ever know the truth.

The lovers are clueless, why even tryout and take someone else's chance at making the team if you had no intention of playing if you made it.If a professional athlete showed up that out of shape you better believe it would be an issue.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bottom line is that she gained to much weight and was slow in LarryMiller.
She could not keep up with the other girls. She was a great
College player but college is over. I don't think politics played a part in the
Coaches final decision. The other players were better.

And she still managed to score 3 goals on Sunday. Bottom line is, no one but SS and US coaches know why she wasn't selected...

All this chatter is nothing but speculation....

the haters say she was cut because her best years are behind her...the lovers say it was her choice because she's too busy ....

BOTC probably won't ever know the truth.

BOTC has actually spoken with Shannon over e-mail on this entire subject.

Do tell....

Are you kidding about Hopkins and Duke? You've obviously never been to either campus, Hopkins can be found in Guilford, where the average household income is over $75,000. The neighborhood is very well educated, and has the second highest number of adults with bachelors degrees or higher in the Baltimore metro area. Duke's campus cannot be easily accessed by outsiders, and is very remote. This being said, Durham is a relatively small and crime-less town in the first place. Check your facts first please, your untrue accusations make you sound like a very uneducated elitist.

http://www.baltimorehealth.org/info/neighborhood2011/39%20North%20Baltimore.pdf

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you kidding about Hopkins and Duke? You've obviously never been to either campus, Hopkins can be found in Guilford, where the average household income is over $75,000. The neighborhood is very well educated, and has the second highest number of adults with bachelors degrees or higher in the Baltimore metro area. Duke's campus cannot be easily accessed by outsiders, and is very remote. This being said, Durham is a relatively small and crime-less town in the first place. Check your facts first please, your untrue accusations make you sound like a very uneducated elitist.

http://www.baltimorehealth.org/info/neighborhood2011/39%20North%20Baltimore.pdf

Went to Hopkins, love Hopkins, go back often, love Hopkins. But you're wrong, it's not in Guilford/North B-more though very close but, by that measure, also close to the Waverlies and the Midway. Might be a decent neighborhood by B-more standards but B-more's a tough town compared to almost anywhere else in the US. Like most universities I've been to, the areas in and right around campus are safe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you kidding about Hopkins and Duke? You've obviously never been to either campus, Hopkins can be found in Guilford, where the average household income is over $75,000. The neighborhood is very well educated, and has the second highest number of adults with bachelors degrees or higher in the Baltimore metro area. Duke's campus cannot be easily accessed by outsiders, and is very remote. This being said, Durham is a relatively small and crime-less town in the first place. Check your facts first please, your untrue accusations make you sound like a very uneducated elitist.

http://www.baltimorehealth.org/info/neighborhood2011/39%20North%20Baltimore.pdf

As usual a decent post ruined by the personal attack at the end. Too bad because I almost payed it some credence. Maybe next time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you kidding about Hopkins and Duke? You've obviously never been to either campus, Hopkins can be found in Guilford, where the average household income is over $75,000. The neighborhood is very well educated, and has the second highest number of adults with bachelors degrees or higher in the Baltimore metro area. Duke's campus cannot be easily accessed by outsiders, and is very remote. This being said, Durham is a relatively small and crime-less town in the first place. Check your facts first please, your untrue accusations make you sound like a very uneducated elitist.

http://www.baltimorehealth.org/info/neighborhood2011/39%20North%20Baltimore.pdf

As usual a decent post ruined by the personal attack at the end. Too bad because I almost payed it some credence. Maybe next time.

You can post all the stats you want about both locations...they are the slums!!! My daughter wouldn't even get out of the car at Hopkins bc she was afraid of the area. If you enter the school they way they give you it's a gorgeous area...go behind the campus...no way. Same concept at Duke!!! Before you state facts you should remember not everything you read on the Internet is true...take a trip to those schools your stars will change

When will the hotels be listed for tournaments? Any word on if they will upgrade the uniforms?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When will the hotels be listed for tournaments? Any word on if they will upgrade the uniforms?

Did anybody actually say they were considering uniform changes, I mean did anybody actually approach the organization with a request for new uniforms?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When will the hotels be listed for tournaments? Any word on if they will upgrade the uniforms?

Did anybody actually say they were considering uniform changes, I mean did anybody actually approach the organization with a request for new uniforms?

I'm not sure if anyone approached them about uniform changes but probably. There was scuttlebutt last year about new uni's but then the topic went to ground so who knows.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to believe a player as dominant as Shannon only a few months ago playing in NCAA final not getting selected for 2013 World Team??

Exactly. Think about the reason.

Is she too dominant? That's kinda like too much money isn't it? There is no reason she shouldn't be on that roster other than some are threatened by her. What do you think could be the reason?

You guys really do drink the TG coolaide, too dominant is just too funny. Cage at least give us a little clue as to your conversations with Ms. Smith and the national team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to believe a player as dominant as Shannon only a few months ago playing in NCAA final not getting selected for 2013 World Team??

Exactly. Think about the reason.

Is she too dominant? That's kinda like too much money isn't it? There is no reason she shouldn't be on that roster other than some are threatened by her. What do you think could be the reason?

You guys really do drink the TG coolaide, too dominant is just too funny. Cage at least give us a little clue as to your conversations with Ms. Smith and the national team.

This topic is so over. Better athletes made a better impression

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to believe a player as dominant as Shannon only a few months ago playing in NCAA final not getting selected for 2013 World Team??

Exactly. Think about the reason.

Is she too dominant? That's kinda like too much money isn't it? There is no reason she shouldn't be on that roster other than some are threatened by her. What do you think could be the reason?

You guys really do drink the TG coolaide, too dominant is just too funny. Cage at least give us a little clue as to your conversations with Ms. Smith and the national team.

This topic is so over. Better athletes made a better impression

And I suppose you drink the yellow-aid?

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When will the hotels be listed for tournaments? Any word on if they will upgrade the uniforms?

Did anybody actually say they were considering uniform changes, I mean did anybody actually approach the organization with a request for new uniforms?

I'm not sure if anyone approached them about uniform changes but probably. There was scuttlebutt last year about new uni's but then the topic went to ground so who knows.

MANY parents have spoken to Bill about upgrading the uniforms as the pinnies peel off after 1 wash and the shorts are too tight. Nobody is saying they have to be YJ caliber, just something more structured. Hopefully the organization cares just a little bit and will upgrade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When will the hotels be listed for tournaments? Any word on if they will upgrade the uniforms?

Did anybody actually say they were considering uniform changes, I mean did anybody actually approach the organization with a request for new uniforms?

I'm not sure if anyone approached them about uniform changes but probably. There was scuttlebutt last year about new uni's but then the topic went to ground so who knows.

MANY parents have spoken to Bill about upgrading the uniforms as the pinnies peel off after 1 wash and the shorts are too tight. Nobody is saying they have to be YJ caliber, just something more structured. Hopefully the organization cares just a little bit and will upgrade.

If your not happy with the uniforms you can always join YJ. I'm sure CR will add another team to what ever age group you belong to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When will the hotels be listed for tournaments? Any word on if they will upgrade the uniforms?

Did anybody actually say they were considering uniform changes, I mean did anybody actually approach the organization with a request for new uniforms?

I'm not sure if anyone approached them about uniform changes but probably. There was scuttlebutt last year about new uni's but then the topic went to ground so who knows.

MANY parents have spoken to Bill about upgrading the uniforms as the pinnies peel off after 1 wash and the shorts are too tight. Nobody is saying they have to be YJ caliber, just something more structured. Hopefully the organization cares just a little bit and will upgrade.

If your not happy with the uniforms you can always join YJ. I'm sure CR will add another team to what ever age group you belong to.

Now that's a stupid response. You are better than that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When will the hotels be listed for tournaments? Any word on if they will upgrade the uniforms?

Did anybody actually say they were considering uniform changes, I mean did anybody actually approach the organization with a request for new uniforms?

I'm not sure if anyone approached them about uniform changes but probably. There was scuttlebutt last year about new uni's but then the topic went to ground so who knows.

MANY parents have spoken to Bill about upgrading the uniforms as the pinnies peel off after 1 wash and the shorts are too tight. Nobody is saying they have to be YJ caliber, just something more structured. Hopefully the organization cares just a little bit and will upgrade.

If your not happy with the uniforms you can always join YJ. I'm sure CR will add another team to what ever age group you belong to.

Now that's a stupid response. You are better than that.

I took that as tongue in cheek and found it amusing. LOL

Will the Top Guns be running summer camps/clinics again out of West Babylon or is Shannon just doing the camps out of Hofstra?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the Top Guns be running summer camps/clinics again out of West Babylon or is Shannon just doing the camps out of Hofstra?

According to my discussions with Shannon at Hofstra several weeks back, the Top Guns program will run independent camps as usual during the summer season. Expect to see more information about those on BOTC in the near future.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the Top Guns be running summer camps/clinics again out of West Babylon or is Shannon just doing the camps out of Hofstra?

According to my discussions with Shannon at Hofstra several weeks back, the Top Guns program will run independent camps as usual during the summer season. Expect to see more information about those on BOTC in the near future.

thank you

Does anybody have any idea what the schedules are for Top Guns Summer team practices, I haven't received anything.
Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anybody have any idea what the schedules are for Top Guns Summer team practices, I haven't received anything.
Thanks

According to the website, practice schedules were going to be announced in January, so much for that. People have busy lives and need to plan around these dates, they better get on their horse over there.

what is the youngest grade for Top Gun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what is the youngest grade for Top Gun.

5th grade

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what is the youngest grade for Top Gun.

For 2013, the club covers graduation years 2014 through 2020. Additional details are available at the Top Guns web site - see the right side Long Island Clubs content island.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what is the youngest grade for Top Gun.

5th grade

For the summer, the first teams start with girls who are entering the 6th grade, however they allow girls going into fifth to play with the year up girls til they settle to their own age group the following year. But remember tryouts are almost a year prior, so a girl about to enter 5th grade makes a team in august so the following summer when they first play the team tournaments, they are about to enter the 6th grade. Year up girls are about to enter fifth grade.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what is the youngest grade for Top Gun.

For 2013, the club covers graduation years 2014 through 2020. Additional details are available at the Top Guns web site - see the right side Long Island Clubs content island.

4th graders have played on TG 5th grade teams over the years

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anybody have any idea what the schedules are for Top Guns Summer team practices, I haven't received anything.
Thanks

Top Gun parent??? Why would you come on here and ask when practices start when you can email the organization through the web site. Smells yellow to me!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anybody have any idea what the schedules are for Top Guns Summer team practices, I haven't received anything.
Thanks

According to the website, practice schedules were going to be announced in January, so much for that. People have busy lives and need to plan around these dates, they better get on their horse over there.

I checked my calendar, practices started the first week of May last year... I Agree though, a schedule would be nice

to busy with college team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

to busy with college team

The whole thing is stressing me out because I also have a son who plays travel BB and we need to fill in the big calendar for practices/games and WB is not around the corner for us north shore folks.

Just email the club what's the big deal?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just email the club what's the big deal?

I'm not the person who is stressed about it, but I did email TG and they said practices start in May and schedules will be out next Monday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anybody have any idea what the schedules are for Top Guns Summer team practices, I haven't received anything.
Thanks

Top Gun parent??? Why would you come on here and ask when practices start when you can email the organization through the web site. Smells yellow to me!!!!

I agree, it sounds like a couple of tobacco spiting varmints wandered over here. Go back to your own post and play in the Yellow Snow.

need practice we looked awful at wounded warrior

Originally Posted by Anonymous

need practice we looked awful at wounded warrior

What team are you referring to?

Which team are you talking about? That wasnt a scheduled tournament for TG. Anyone that joined that did that on their own and doesnt represent TG.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

need practice we looked awful at wounded warrior

what age group? my daughter is 2020 and I know nothing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

need practice we looked awful at wounded warrior

Go spit your tobacco on your on post

No one bite on this negative post. Please take the high road which separates us from the haters. The one TG team there looked good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which team are you talking about? That wasnt a scheduled tournament for TG. Anyone that joined that did that on their own and doesnt represent TG.

While that may be true, you have a team calling itself TG so it does represent TG. That being said you all need to calm down ,a combined team of 4-5 graders doesnt look great in March and panic sets in.Who cares, they supported a great cause and now will get abused because they did not look great, crazy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

need practice we looked awful at wounded warrior

what age group? my daughter is 2020 and I know nothing.

2020 did not play at this tournament - I believe 2018 was there but I do not know which team it was or if it was even a true TG team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

need practice we looked awful at wounded warrior

what age group? my daughter is 2020 and I know nothing.

2020 did not play at this tournament - I believe 2018 was there but I do not know which team it was or if it was even a true TG team.

There was a TG team in 6th grade bracket think it was 2020, since travel teams played up a year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

need practice we looked awful at wounded warrior

what age group? my daughter is 2020 and I know nothing.

2020 did not play at this tournament - I believe 2018 was there but I do not know which team it was or if it was even a true TG team.

There was a TG team in 6th grade bracket think it was 2020, since travel teams played up a year.

What did they call themselves?

I am amazed at how many girls from TG are going on to play lax in college. My daughter is only in 5th, but it makes me happy to see how the TG girls get recruited. Do we know just how many play in college?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am amazed at how many girls from TG are going on to play lax in college. My daughter is only in 5th, but it makes me happy to see how the TG girls get recruited. Do we know just how many play in college?

PLEASE IGNORE THIS POST IT SMELLS YELLOW !!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

need practice we looked awful at wounded warrior

what age group? my daughter is 2020 and I know nothing.

2020 did not play at this tournament - I believe 2018 was there but I do not know which team it was or if it was even a true TG team.

There was a TG team in 6th grade bracket think it was 2020, since travel teams played up a year.

What did they call themselves?

Top Guns

Originally Posted by Anonymous

need practice we looked awful at wounded warrior

what age group? my daughter is 2020 and I know nothing.

2020 did not play at this tournament - I believe 2018 was there but I do not know which team it was or if it was even a true TG team.

There was a TG team in 6th grade bracket think it was 2020, since travel teams played up a year.

What did they call themselves?

Top Guns

My daughter is on 20 black and as far as I know there wasn't a team playing

2020 Top Guns Played in wounded warriors

There were 2 Top Gun teams at the tournament one in the 6th grade division and one in the 7th/8th...go look at the schedule it's all there, now go grow up and stop crying about which club is better. If your girl is happy who cares???

Was that a 2020 black or purple team?

To the 2020 black mom - maybe it was 2020 purple that played?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am amazed at how many girls from TG are going on to play lax in college. My daughter is only in 5th, but it makes me happy to see how the TG girls get recruited. Do we know just how many play in college?

PLEASE IGNORE THIS POST IT SMELLS YELLOW !!

Seriously. this makes us look pathetic. Someone posts something which is fairly tame and the conspiracy starts, how could this be a shot at TG by a YJ unless you believe that we do not have alot of girls going on to play in college.I dont get it, but will say that the hatred of YJ by many in TG is silly. Now go ahead make some silly it smells yellow statement.

Top Guns [/quote]

My daughter is on 20 black and as far as I know there wasn't a team playing [/quote]
There was an email sent out a while back to 2020 girls from a father who was having a team for these tournaments.
some of the girls played under the name "Green Machine" in the 6th grade B division. They also played at the Shamrock Shootout 6th Grade B.
Many other TG 2020 girls played in the Shamrock Shootout 6th Grade A with the Rebels.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns

My daughter is on 20 black and as far as I know there wasn't a team playing [/quote]
There was an email sent out a while back to 2020 girls from a father who was having a team for these tournaments.
some of the girls played under the name "Green Machine" in the 6th grade B division. They also played at the Shamrock Shootout 6th Grade B.
Many other TG 2020 girls played in the Shamrock Shootout 6th Grade A with the Rebels.
[/quote]

No there definitely was a TG 2020 team in 6th grade bracket (there was only 1 6th bracket) at WW. My daughters team played them, purple pinny and all. Why is this hard to believe?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns

My daughter is on 20 black and as far as I know there wasn't a team playing

There was an email sent out a while back to 2020 girls from a father who was having a team for these tournaments.
some of the girls played under the name "Green Machine" in the 6th grade B division. They also played at the Shamrock Shootout 6th Grade B.
Many other TG 2020 girls played in the Shamrock Shootout 6th Grade A with the Rebels.
[/quote]

No there definitely was a TG 2020 team in 6th grade bracket (there was only 1 6th bracket) at WW. My daughters team played them, purple pinny and all. Why is this hard to believe? [/quote]
There were two brackets in that age group, and the girls that were called Green Machine were some of the TG 2020 girls. This was just a father coached team that isn't the whole 2020 team, or select members of TG. nothing to see here , as someone pointed out earlier an email was sent out. Some TG 2020 girls have played with a team called Rebels who are based out east, and others with Green Machine who seem to be more west. Just keeping sticks in their hands, which is good. There definitely were two divisions at Wounded Warrior for 6th grade, here are the winners:
Shamrock Shootout 2013 Champions - Girls Division

Grade 3 : Eastport-South Manor
Grade 4 : Rocky Point
Grade 5 : Northport
Grade 6 : Middle Country (A), Green Machine (B)
Grade 7 : Rocky Point (A), 91 Crossfire (B)
Grade 8 : Yellow Jackets 2017
he team. Not a big deal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There definitely were two divisions at Wounded Warrior for 6th grade, here are the winners:
Shamrock Shootout 2013 Champions - Girls Division

Grade 3 : Eastport-South Manor
Grade 4 : Rocky Point
Grade 5 : Northport
Grade 6 : Middle Country (A), Green Machine (B)
Grade 7 : Rocky Point (A), 91 Crossfire (B)
Grade 8 : Yellow Jackets 2017
he team. Not a big deal.

Exactly what does the Wounded Warrior event in Sachem (not covered on BOTC this season) have to do with the results from the Shamrock Shootout?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns

My daughter is on 20 black and as far as I know there wasn't a team playing

There was an email sent out a while back to 2020 girls from a father who was having a team for these tournaments.
some of the girls played under the name "Green Machine" in the 6th grade B division. They also played at the Shamrock Shootout 6th Grade B.
Many other TG 2020 girls played in the Shamrock Shootout 6th Grade A with the Rebels.

No there definitely was a TG 2020 team in 6th grade bracket (there was only 1 6th bracket) at WW. My daughters team played them, purple pinny and all. Why is this hard to believe? [/quote]
There were two brackets in that age group, and the girls that were called Green Machine were some of the TG 2020 girls. This was just a father coached team that isn't the whole 2020 team, or select members of TG. nothing to see here , as someone pointed out earlier an email was sent out. Some TG 2020 girls have played with a team called Rebels who are based out east, and others with Green Machine who seem to be more west. Just keeping sticks in their hands, which is good. There definitely were two divisions at Wounded Warrior for 6th grade, here are the winners:
Shamrock Shootout 2013 Champions - Girls Division

Grade 3 : Eastport-South Manor
Grade 4 : Rocky Point
Grade 5 : Northport
Grade 6 : Middle Country (A), Green Machine (B)
Grade 7 : Rocky Point (A), 91 Crossfire (B)
Grade 8 : Yellow Jackets 2017

[/quote]

Shamrock Shootout and Wounded Warrior are 2 different tournaments! Wounded Warrior is the tournament being discussed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns

My daughter is on 20 black and as far as I know there wasn't a team playing

There was an email sent out a while back to 2020 girls from a father who was having a team for these tournaments.
some of the girls played under the name "Green Machine" in the 6th grade B division. They also played at the Shamrock Shootout 6th Grade B.
Many other TG 2020 girls played in the Shamrock Shootout 6th Grade A with the Rebels.

No there definitely was a TG 2020 team in 6th grade bracket (there was only 1 6th bracket) at WW. My daughters team played them, purple pinny and all. Why is this hard to believe?

There were two brackets in that age group, and the girls that were called Green Machine were some of the TG 2020 girls. This was just a father coached team that isn't the whole 2020 team, or select members of TG. nothing to see here , as someone pointed out earlier an email was sent out. Some TG 2020 girls have played with a team called Rebels who are based out east, and others with Green Machine who seem to be more west. Just keeping sticks in their hands, which is good. There definitely were two divisions at Wounded Warrior for 6th grade, here are the winners:
Shamrock Shootout 2013 Champions - Girls Division

Grade 3 : Eastport-South Manor
Grade 4 : Rocky Point
Grade 5 : Northport
Grade 6 : Middle Country (A), Green Machine (B)
Grade 7 : Rocky Point (A), 91 Crossfire (B)
Grade 8 : Yellow Jackets 2017

[/quote]

Shamrock Shootout and Wounded Warrior are 2 different tournaments! Wounded Warrior is the tournament being discussed. [/quote]
A little confused, disregard. Just meant these girls looked like the same girls my daughter played at shamrock, and was told then they were some of the Top Guns 2020 girls.

How delusional many of you look. Fact number one, a TG team played in the 6th grade division at the Wounded Warrior tournament under the name Top Guns.If for whatever reason you cannot accept this please go get your medication checked. I have read many posts of people accusing YJ of making up excuses when one of their teams play poorly or are beaten yet you guys win the prize, just deny any such team ever existed. Yes a TG and a YJ team actually got to play against each other at a tournament and guess what no one really cared and congrats to those of you on both teams for showing up and supporting a great cause.Now stop your nonsense that you were not one of the kids picked to represent TG last weekend as I know many of these TG kids who played were not asked by your superstar rebels and green machine daddies to play.

Is it true TOP GUNS director removed by security from a HS varsity
Lax game yesterday? Screaming at officials and making a complete fool of himself. Is this true?

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There definitely were two divisions at Wounded Warrior for 6th grade, here are the winners:
Shamrock Shootout 2013 Champions - Girls Division

Grade 3 : Eastport-South Manor
Grade 4 : Rocky Point
Grade 5 : Northport
Grade 6 : Middle Country (A), Green Machine (B)
Grade 7 : Rocky Point (A), 91 Crossfire (B)
Grade 8 : Yellow Jackets 2017
he team. Not a big deal.

Exactly what does the Wounded Warrior event in Sachem (not covered on BOTC this season) have to do with the results from the Shamrock Shootout?

obviously confused...move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it true TOP GUNS director removed by security from a HS varsity
Lax game yesterday? Screaming at officials and making a complete fool of himself. Is this true?

I don't know, but Who cares? Lots of people make fools of themselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it true TOP GUNS director removed by security from a HS varsity
Lax game yesterday? Screaming at officials and making a complete fool of himself. Is this true?

I don't know, but Who cares? Lots of people make fools of themselves.

Was that the guy chewing tobacco and spitting it all over the field?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How delusional many of you look. Fact number one, a TG team played in the 6th grade division at the Wounded Warrior tournament under the name Top Guns.If for whatever reason you cannot accept this please go get your medication checked. I have read many posts of people accusing YJ of making up excuses when one of their teams play poorly or are beaten yet you guys win the prize, just deny any such team ever existed. Yes a TG and a YJ team actually got to play against each other at a tournament and guess what no one really cared and congrats to those of you on both teams for showing up and supporting a great cause.Now stop your nonsense that you were not one of the kids picked to represent TG last weekend as I know many of these TG kids who played were not asked by your superstar rebels and green machine daddies to play.

it's great the girls are playing year round, can't hurt the program. The Green Machine and Rebels played with TG girls but didn't call themselves TG 2020, without all of the girls even practicing together makes no sense to call a team 2020 TG at a spring tournament, but other than that glad to see girls are playing which is most important.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How delusional many of you look. Fact number one, a TG team played in the 6th grade division at the Wounded Warrior tournament under the name Top Guns.If for whatever reason you cannot accept this please go get your medication checked. I have read many posts of people accusing YJ of making up excuses when one of their teams play poorly or are beaten yet you guys win the prize, just deny any such team ever existed. Yes a TG and a YJ team actually got to play against each other at a tournament and guess what no one really cared and congrats to those of you on both teams for showing up and supporting a great cause.Now stop your nonsense that you were not one of the kids picked to represent TG last weekend as I know many of these TG kids who played were not asked by your superstar rebels and green machine daddies to play.

it's great the girls are playing year round, can't hurt the program. The Green Machine and Rebels played with TG girls but didn't call themselves TG 2020, without all of the girls even practicing together makes no sense to call a team 2020 TG at a spring tournament, but other than that glad to see girls are playing which is most important.

Yes 2 teams played! Yes the girls should play as much as possible. I'd let mine play whenever she could

6th Grade Division
1. Mt. Sinai
2. ESM
3. Top Guns
4. Islip
5. Sachem Red
6. 3 Village
7. Sayville
8. Rocky Point
9. Sachem White
10. YJ '20 Jones
11. Smithtown Costa
12. YJ '20 Curcio

7th / 8th Grade Division
1. Top Guns '18
2. Sachem Red
3. Riverhead
4. 3 Village Rogers
5. Suffern
6. Bayport
7. Connetquot
8. Sachem White
9. LI Rebels
10. SC All Stars
11. YJ '19 Carro
12. YJ '19 Bert
13. YJ '18 Rose
14. YJ '18 Incamato

Here they are...2 teams...NOW can you move on? Why is this so hard to believe?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it true TOP GUNS director removed by security from a HS varsity
Lax game yesterday? Screaming at officials and making a complete fool of himself. Is this true?

I don't know, but Who cares? Lots of people make fools of themselves.

Was that the guy chewing tobacco and spitting it all over the field?

No he was a fat guy who clearly had no idea what he was talking about and behaved poorly enough and used enough foul language to be removed and should be banned from returning, the tabacco chewing guy has never been removed from a field and actually knows what he is talking about. Maybe she was too good to make the national team, just too funny.If you have someone out of control enough to be removed from school grounds people should care , especially those in charge at section 11.

Maybe you TG parents are getting confused between teams and tournaments because every time I see one of your teams they cheat to play down in age. Playing in the 7th grade division at Shamrock with a team that should have been in the 8th grade division and playing at Wounded Warrior with a team that should have been in the 7th grade division. Nice job ,should be so proud of your organization always playing an age group below where you should be. Let's see someone on one of those teams come on here and deny it , won't happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it true TOP GUNS director removed by security from a HS varsity
Lax game yesterday? Screaming at officials and making a complete fool of himself. Is this true?

I don't know, but Who cares? Lots of people make fools of themselves.

Was that the guy chewing tobacco and spitting it all over the field?

No he was a fat guy who clearly had no idea what he was talking about and behaved poorly enough and used enough foul language to be removed and should be banned from returning, the tabacco chewing guy has never been removed from a field and actually knows what he is talking about. Maybe she was too good to make the national team, just too funny.If you have someone out of control enough to be removed from school grounds people should care , especially those in charge at section 11.

What the heck is going on here? One fat guy is yelling and getting kicked out of games, another fat guy is chewing tobacco and spitting all over the field. These guys better change their behavior, because they�re making all of us other fat guys look bad.

This train wreck is great entertainment. Posts from all contributors are appreciated. Keep up the good, or should I say bad work. It's hilarious!! LoL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it true TOP GUNS director removed by security from a HS varsity
Lax game yesterday? Screaming at officials and making a complete fool of himself. Is this true?

I don't know, but Who cares? Lots of people make fools of themselves.

Was that the guy chewing tobacco and spitting it all over the field?

No he was a fat guy who clearly had no idea what he was talking about and behaved poorly enough and used enough foul language to be removed and should be banned from returning, the tabacco chewing guy has never been removed from a field and actually knows what he is talking about. Maybe she was too good to make the national team, just too funny.If you have someone out of control enough to be removed from school grounds people should care , especially those in charge at section 11.

What the heck is going on here? One fat guy is yelling and getting kicked out of games, another fat guy is chewing tobacco and spitting all over the field. These guys better change their behavior, because they�re making all of us other fat guys look bad.

LMAO!!!!, Thank You.. From an anonymous FAT GUY.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe you TG parents are getting confused between teams and tournaments because every time I see one of your teams they cheat to play down in age. Playing in the 7th grade division at Shamrock with a team that should have been in the 8th grade division and playing at Wounded Warrior with a team that should have been in the 7th grade division. Nice job ,should be so proud of your organization always playing an age group below where you should be. Let's see someone on one of those teams come on here and deny it , won't happen.

Two 2020 teams consisting of almost exclusively TG girls played the Shamrock Shootout 6th grade division . One in a and one in b. both did well and played up a year, and one even played a YJ team. Don't know which teams at Wounded Warrior you refer to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe you TG parents are getting confused between teams and tournaments because every time I see one of your teams they cheat to play down in age. Playing in the 7th grade division at Shamrock with a team that should have been in the 8th grade division and playing at Wounded Warrior with a team that should have been in the 7th grade division. Nice job ,should be so proud of your organization always playing an age group below where you should be. Let's see someone on one of those teams come on here and deny it , won't happen.

It's Holy Thursday! Can't you at least remember that as we are leading up to Easter. Why would you come on here and spew such hate with false information? In life, none of this matters. No one played down at either tournament. Both were good tournaments to kick off the spring season and Wounded Warrior was a fundraiser for a worthy cause. Can't we celebrate that?!

This TG team definitely didn't belong in 7th grade at WW, YJ 2020 Blue beat them easily.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe you TG parents are getting confused between teams and tournaments because every time I see one of your teams they cheat to play down in age. Playing in the 7th grade division at Shamrock with a team that should have been in the 8th grade division and playing at Wounded Warrior with a team that should have been in the 7th grade division. Nice job ,should be so proud of your organization always playing an age group below where you should be. Let's see someone on one of those teams come on here and deny it , won't happen.

It's Holy Thursday! Can't you at least remember that as we are leading up to Easter. Why would you come on here and spew such hate with false information? In life, none of this matters. No one played down at either tournament. Both were good tournaments to kick off the spring season and Wounded Warrior was a fundraiser for a worthy cause. Can't we celebrate that?!

On not as kind of a note, I would like to mention how the YJ teams that played up in the 7/8 bracket at Wounded Warrior really didn't belong there. I guess I am really referring to 2019 Bert. I would give them credit for trying, but thought they would have learned their lesson after last year. It really is no fun having to mercy a team after 10 minutes. I am only mentioning this due to the comment made to TG from a YJ parent. I am sure it was not fun to those 6th grade girls when keep away is done for at least 80% of the game and it certainly can't be fun being shut out. Granted it was for a good cause but would have loved to have played a competitive game. So sometimes playing up a year truly doesn't work.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This TG team definitely didn't belong in 7th grade at WW, YJ 2020 Blue beat them easily.

So what Mr or Mrs Trainwreck. Hahaha

Um I don't known what's that means or has to do with this. Just responding to a post that suggested this TG team should've played in7th grade bracket! Easy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe you TG parents are getting confused between teams and tournaments because every time I see one of your teams they cheat to play down in age. Playing in the 7th grade division at Shamrock with a team that should have been in the 8th grade division and playing at Wounded Warrior with a team that should have been in the 7th grade division. Nice job ,should be so proud of your organization always playing an age group below where you should be. Let's see someone on one of those teams come on here and deny it , won't happen.

It's Holy Thursday! Can't you at least remember that as we are leading up to Easter. Why would you come on here and spew such hate with false information? In life, none of this matters. No one played down at either tournament. Both were good tournaments to kick off the spring season and Wounded Warrior was a fundraiser for a worthy cause. Can't we celebrate that?!

I'm Jewish

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This TG team definitely didn't belong in 7th grade at WW, YJ 2020 Blue beat them easily.

Was that the same YJ 2020 team that got beat preety easily at Shamrock by a predominantly TG team a couple weeks ago? No one mentioned that .
My point is, these teams haven't even had their first official practice together, who cares how they split up their off season time and who they beat or get beat by right now. These girls are 10, and 11 years old, relax.
Just glad to see they are all playing and getting ready for the summer

but if they would have played down u would have said they belonged up so either way these poor kids dont win

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe you TG parents are getting confused between teams and tournaments because every time I see one of your teams they cheat to play down in age. Playing in the 7th grade division at Shamrock with a team that should have been in the 8th grade division and playing at Wounded Warrior with a team that should have been in the 7th grade division. Nice job ,should be so proud of your organization always playing an age group below where you should be. Let's see someone on one of those teams come on here and deny it , won't happen.

It's Holy Thursday! Can't you at least remember that as we are leading up to Easter. Why would you come on here and spew such hate with false information? In life, none of this matters. No one played down at either tournament. Both were good tournaments to kick off the spring season and Wounded Warrior was a fundraiser for a worthy cause. Can't we celebrate that?!

I'm Jewish

That explains it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This TG team definitely didn't belong in 7th grade at WW, YJ 2020 Blue beat them easily.

Was that the same YJ 2020 team that got beat preety easily at Shamrock by a predominantly TG team a couple weeks ago?

Nope both very different teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This TG team definitely didn't belong in 7th grade at WW, YJ 2020 Blue beat them easily.

Was that the same YJ 2020 team that got beat preety easily at Shamrock by a predominantly TG team a couple weeks ago? No one mentioned that .
My point is, these teams haven't even had their first official practice together, who cares how they split up their off season time and who they beat or get beat by right now. These girls are 10, and 11 years old, relax.
Just glad to see they are all playing and getting ready for the summer

The answer is no not even remotely the same team, although results may have been the same ,who knows your daddy TG teams elected to not support the WW tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe you TG parents are getting confused between teams and tournaments because every time I see one of your teams they cheat to play down in age. Playing in the 7th grade division at Shamrock with a team that should have been in the 8th grade division and playing at Wounded Warrior with a team that should have been in the 7th grade division. Nice job ,should be so proud of your organization always playing an age group below where you should be. Let's see someone on one of those teams come on here and deny it , won't happen.

Two 2020 teams consisting of almost exclusively TG girls played the Shamrock Shootout 6th grade division . One in a and one in b. both did well and played up a year, and one even played a YJ team. Don't know which teams at Wounded Warrior you refer to.

Let me make it clear for you challenged people. Prior to shamrock many a TG parent made issue with a combined YJ 4-5 grade team playing in the 5th grade division and a combined 4-5-6 grade YJ team playing in the 6th grade division. These teams were placed in these divisions by accident and were moved up 1 year. At Shamrock TG had a team of combined 6-7 graders playing in 7th grade division.At Wounded Warrior TG had a team of what looked like 4-5-6 graders playing in the 6th grade division.Honestly I could not care less if TG wants to have your top 6th grade team play against town 6th grade teams but then do not go onto YJ thread and whine like a bunch of babies if they do the same(which I have never seen them do). By the way you wanted to know what teams Shamrock- Luck of the Irish, WW- TG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This TG team definitely didn't belong in 7th grade at WW, YJ 2020 Blue beat them easily.

Was that the same YJ 2020 team that got beat preety easily at Shamrock by a predominantly TG team a couple weeks ago? No one mentioned that .
My point is, these teams haven't even had their first official practice together, who cares how they split up their off season time and who they beat or get beat by right now. These girls are 10, and 11 years old, relax.
Just glad to see they are all playing and getting ready for the summer

Actually it was the same coach completely different group of kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This TG team definitely didn't belong in 7th grade at WW, YJ 2020 Blue beat them easily.

Was that the same YJ 2020 team that got beat preety easily at Shamrock by a predominantly TG team a couple weeks ago? No one mentioned that .
My point is, these teams haven't even had their first official practice together, who cares how they split up their off season time and who they beat or get beat by right now. These girls are 10, and 11 years old, relax.
Just glad to see they are all playing and getting ready for the summer

Predominantly TG team, your funny , you mean a combined TG YJ team don't you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This TG team definitely didn't belong in 7th grade at WW, YJ 2020 Blue beat them easily.

Was that the same YJ 2020 team that got beat preety easily at Shamrock by a predominantly TG team a couple weeks ago? No one mentioned that .
My point is, these teams haven't even had their first official practice together, who cares how they split up their off season time and who they beat or get beat by right now. These girls are 10, and 11 years old, relax.
Just glad to see they are all playing and getting ready for the summer

The answer is no not even remotely the same team, although results may have been the same ,who knows your daddy TG teams elected to not support the WW tournament.

I think the Daddy TG teams were still embarrassed from the Shamrock Shootout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This TG team definitely didn't belong in 7th grade at WW, YJ 2020 Blue beat them easily.

Was that the same YJ 2020 team that got beat preety easily at Shamrock by a predominantly TG team a couple weeks ago? No one mentioned that .
My point is, these teams haven't even had their first official practice together, who cares how they split up their off season time and who they beat or get beat by right now. These girls are 10, and 11 years old, relax.
Just glad to see they are all playing and getting ready for the summer

Actually it was the same coach completely different group of kids.

Please, it was not a COMPLETELY different group of kids. It was 75% blue kids. Yes there were some other kids, but lets be a little honest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This TG team definitely didn't belong in 7th grade at WW, YJ 2020 Blue beat them easily.

Was that the same YJ 2020 team that got beat preety easily at Shamrock by a predominantly TG team a couple weeks ago? No one mentioned that .
My point is, these teams haven't even had their first official practice together, who cares how they split up their off season time and who they beat or get beat by right now. These girls are 10, and 11 years old, relax.
Just glad to see they are all playing and getting ready for the summer

Predominantly TG team, your funny , you mean a combined TG YJ team don't you.

Yes, it was combine, but predominantly top gun. Like 11 TG girls and 4YJ. What's the point? Not sure about the roster for YJ but someone just posted it was 75% the same team entered in the WW.
Lets keep to facts and remember they are 10 and 11 year old girls , these girls care a lot less than we do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This TG team definitely didn't belong in 7th grade at WW, YJ 2020 Blue beat them easily.

Was that the same YJ 2020 team that got beat preety easily at Shamrock by a predominantly TG team a couple weeks ago? No one mentioned that .
My point is, these teams haven't even had their first official practice together, who cares how they split up their off season time and who they beat or get beat by right now. These girls are 10, and 11 years old, relax.
Just glad to see they are all playing and getting ready for the summer

Predominantly TG team, your funny , you mean a combined TG YJ team don't you.

Yes, it was combine, but predominantly top gun. Like 11 TG girls and 4YJ. What's the point? Not sure about the roster for YJ but someone just posted it was 75% the same team entered in the WW.
Lets keep to facts and remember they are 10 and 11 year old girls , these girls care a lot less than we do.

You hit it.except the girls don't care at all...I see opposing girls hugging after games. Get real and act older than your 10 yr old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This TG team definitely didn't belong in 7th grade at WW, YJ 2020 Blue beat them easily.

Was that the same YJ 2020 team that got beat preety easily at Shamrock by a predominantly TG team a couple weeks ago? No one mentioned that .
My point is, these teams haven't even had their first official practice together, who cares how they split up their off season time and who they beat or get beat by right now. These girls are 10, and 11 years old, relax.

Fine let's keep to the facts. You are obviously a TG parent so maybe you can explain to me, it seems when you have teams with only TG kids they play down in age, when you have any teams with YJ kids they play a year up. You obviously have no problem with that. Let's keep to the facts , TG teams have never won any significant tournament,ever. Your director of TG should be ashamed that he allows TG teams to cheat and play down in age but apparently you and the rest of your TG daddy teams think it's okay to cheat .Please keep the facts coming with the 75 % etc..
Just glad to see they are all playing and getting ready for the summer

Fine let's keep to the facts

Predominantly TG team, your funny , you mean a combined TG YJ team don't you.

Yes, it was combine, but predominantly top gun. Like 11 TG girls and 4YJ. What's the point? Not sure about the roster for YJ but someone just posted it was 75% the same team entered in the WW.
Lets keep to facts and remember they are 10 and 11 year old girls , these girls care a lot less than we do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This TG team definitely didn't belong in 7th grade at WW, YJ 2020 Blue beat them easily.

This train wreck is great entertainment. Posts from all contributors are appreciated. Keep up the good, or should I say bad work. It's hilarious!! LoL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe you TG parents are getting confused between teams and tournaments because every time I see one of your teams they cheat to play down in age. Playing in the 7th grade division at Shamrock with a team that should have been in the 8th grade division and playing at Wounded Warrior with a team that should have been in the 7th grade division. Nice job ,should be so proud of your organization always playing an age group below where you should be. Let's see someone on one of those teams come on here and deny it , won't happen.

Two 2020 teams consisting of almost exclusively TG girls played the Shamrock Shootout 6th grade division . One in a and one in b. both did well and played up a year, and one even played a YJ team. Don't know which teams at Wounded Warrior you refer to.

Let me make it clear for you challenged people. Prior to shamrock many a TG parent made issue with a combined YJ 4-5 grade team playing in the 5th grade division and a combined 4-5-6 grade YJ team playing in the 6th grade division. These teams were placed in these divisions by accident and were moved up 1 year. At Shamrock TG had a team of combined 6-7 graders playing in 7th grade division.At Wounded Warrior TG had a team of what looked like 4-5-6 graders playing in the 6th grade division.Honestly I could not care less if TG wants to have your top 6th grade team play against town 6th grade teams but then do not go onto YJ thread and whine like a bunch of babies if they do the same(which I have never seen them do). By the way you wanted to know what teams Shamrock- Luck of the Irish, WW- TG

Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Um I don't known what's that means or has to do with this. Just responding to a post that suggested this TG team should've played in7th grade bracket! Easy.

Oh ok."...not"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe you TG parents are getting confused between teams and tournaments because every time I see one of your teams they cheat to play down in age. Playing in the 7th grade division at Shamrock with a team that should have been in the 8th grade division and playing at Wounded Warrior with a team that should have been in the 7th grade division. Nice job ,should be so proud of your organization always playing an age group below where you should be. Let's see someone on one of those teams come on here and deny it , won't happen.

Two 2020 teams consisting of almost exclusively TG girls played the Shamrock Shootout 6th grade division . One in a and one in b. both did well and played up a year, and one even played a YJ team. Don't know which teams at Wounded Warrior you refer to.

Let me make it clear for you challenged people. Prior to shamrock many a TG parent made issue with a combined YJ 4-5 grade team playing in the 5th grade division and a combined 4-5-6 grade YJ team playing in the 6th grade division. These teams were placed in these divisions by accident and were moved up 1 year. At Shamrock TG had a team of combined 6-7 graders playing in 7th grade division.At Wounded Warrior TG had a team of what looked like 4-5-6 graders playing in the 6th grade division.Honestly I could not care less if TG wants to have your top 6th grade team play against town 6th grade teams but then do not go onto YJ thread and whine like a bunch of babies if they do the same(which I have never seen them do). By the way you wanted to know what teams Shamrock- Luck of the Irish, WW- TG

Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah

Help me out what does the Nah Nah represent ?I dont get it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This TG team definitely didn't belong in 7th grade at WW, YJ 2020 Blue beat them easily.

This train wreck is great entertainment. Posts from all contributors are appreciated. Keep up the good, or should I say bad work. It's hilarious!! LoL

Between YJ and TG, all this squabling is embarassing for both clubs. It seems the younger the team the more parents are likely to come on here and make fools of themselves. You all need to relax, especially since your fighting over makeshift teams playing in dinky mean nothing tournaments out of season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This TG team definitely didn't belong in 7th grade at WW, YJ 2020 Blue beat them easily.

This train wreck is great entertainment. Posts from all contributors are appreciated. Keep up the good, or should I say bad work. It's hilarious!! LoL

Between YJ and TG, all this squabling is embarassing for both clubs. It seems the younger the team the more parents are likely to come on here and make fools of themselves. You all need to relax, especially since your fighting over makeshift teams playing in dinky mean nothing tournaments out of season.

Seeing the younger grades, this will not get any better. If you witnessed any of the 3rd grade parents at WW or Shamrock, the future is bright for quite a bit more entertainment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This TG team definitely didn't belong in 7th grade at WW, YJ 2020 Blue beat them easily.

This train wreck is great entertainment. Posts from all contributors are appreciated. Keep up the good, or should I say bad work. It's hilarious!! LoL

Between YJ and TG, all this squabling is embarassing for both clubs. It seems the younger the team the more parents are likely to come on here and make fools of themselves. You all need to relax, especially since your fighting over makeshift teams playing in dinky mean nothing tournaments out of season.

Excellent post and observation, I think parents with younger kids especially when that child is their oldest take this stuff way too serious.When you look back on this stuff you realize it really is about the kids having fun, no college coach has ever cared how good a kid was when they were in 4-5-6 grade in any sport.I have seen it on both sides with YJ and TG parents which is one reason my daughter plays for a so called second level travel team even though her older sister played YJ.I was hoping TG would be different from YJ but must say from what I have seen they are not.The animosity I have seen from the girls against their rival club obviously comes from the parents and is not healthy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This TG team definitely didn't belong in 7th grade at WW, YJ 2020 Blue beat them easily.

This train wreck is great entertainment. Posts from all contributors are appreciated. Keep up the good, or should I say bad work. It's hilarious!! LoL

Between YJ and TG, all this squabling is embarassing for both clubs. It seems the younger the team the more parents are likely to come on here and make fools of themselves. You all need to relax, especially since your fighting over makeshift teams playing in dinky mean nothing tournaments out of season.

Excellent post and observation, I think parents with younger kids especially when that child is their oldest take this stuff way too serious.When you look back on this stuff you realize it really is about the kids having fun, no college coach has ever cared how good a kid was when they were in 4-5-6 grade in any sport.I have seen it on both sides with YJ and TG parents which is one reason my daughter plays for a so called second level travel team even though her older sister played YJ.I was hoping TG would be different from YJ but must say from what I have seen they are not.The animosity I have seen from the girls against their rival club obviously comes from the parents and is not healthy.

Well said. How wonderful that there are so many wonderful teams to choose from on LI. Please keep in mind not all TG parents are this why as I am sure not all YJ parents are this way. I think this site usually attracts the crazies and is probably only a few that keep posting back on forth to each other.

MY Daughter Played On TheLuck Of Irish Team At ShamrocK. The Team Had 14 Players. Twelve Were 6Th Grade, One Was Fifth Grade And One Was A 12 Yr Old 7Th Grader Who By Birthdate Is Really More Of A 6Th Grader. She Played Bec She Was Friends With The Girls And She WaS The Same Age As Most.of The Team.. No Matter How You Look At It That Was A 6Th GrAde Travel Team That Properly Played In The 7Th Grade Division. That Team Clearly Played Within The Rules Of The Tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MY Daughter Played On TheLuck Of Irish Team At ShamrocK. The Team Had 14 Players. Twelve Were 6Th Grade, One Was Fifth Grade And One Was A 12 Yr Old 7Th Grader Who By Birthdate Is Really More Of A 6Th Grader. She Played Bec She Was Friends With The Girls And She WaS The Same Age As Most.of The Team.. No Matter How You Look At It That Was A 6Th GrAde Travel Team That Properly Played In The 7Th Grade Division. That Team Clearly Played Within The Rules Of The Tournament.

You must be delusional , a teams age is always based on the age of its oldest member , in your case a seventh grader.You sound like a fool ,so who gets to decide how many older players a team can have before its considered too many to play in the younger age group , you? You are openly admitting you placed a travel team in the wrong age group because you feel the rules about age do not apply to your team because the kid is only a few months to old, you are pathetic.Let me guess the 5 th grader on the team is either older than most 6 th graders or as you would see it the age of a 4th grader.Lets make it simple for you TG dads , if you have a travel team with any 7th graders on the team then you should play 8th grade as per the rules you do not get to make up how many older kids you are allowed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MY Daughter Played On TheLuck Of Irish Team At ShamrocK. The Team Had 14 Players. Twelve Were 6Th Grade, One Was Fifth Grade And One Was A 12 Yr Old 7Th Grader Who By Birthdate Is Really More Of A 6Th Grader. She Played Bec She Was Friends With The Girls And She WaS The Same Age As Most.of The Team.. No Matter How You Look At It That Was A 6Th GrAde Travel Team That Properly Played In The 7Th Grade Division. That Team Clearly Played Within The Rules Of The Tournament.

You must be delusional , a teams age is always based on the age of its oldest member , in your case a seventh grader.You sound like a fool ,so who gets to decide how many older players a team can have before its considered too many to play in the younger age group , you? You are openly admitting you placed a travel team in the wrong age group because you feel the rules about age do not apply to your team because the kid is only a few months to old, you are pathetic.Let me guess the 5 th grader on the team is either older than most 6 th graders or as you would see it the age of a 4th grader.Lets make it simple for you TG dads , if you have a travel team with any 7th graders on the team then you should play 8th grade as per the rules you do not get to make up how many older kids you are allowed.

Who cares ! In three months this local fundraiser tournament will be a distant memory. Can we please cry about something else? WAAAAAA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MY Daughter Played On TheLuck Of Irish Team At ShamrocK. The Team Had 14 Players. Twelve Were 6Th Grade, One Was Fifth Grade And One Was A 12 Yr Old 7Th Grader Who By Birthdate Is Really More Of A 6Th Grader. She Played Bec She Was Friends With The Girls And She WaS The Same Age As Most.of The Team.. No Matter How You Look At It That Was A 6Th GrAde Travel Team That Properly Played In The 7Th Grade Division. That Team Clearly Played Within The Rules Of The Tournament.

You must be delusional , a teams age is always based on the age of its oldest member , in your case a seventh grader.You sound like a fool ,so who gets to decide how many older players a team can have before its considered too many to play in the younger age group , you? You are openly admitting you placed a travel team in the wrong age group because you feel the rules about age do not apply to your team because the kid is only a few months to old, you are pathetic.Let me guess the 5 th grader on the team is either older than most 6 th graders or as you would see it the age of a 4th grader.Lets make it simple for you TG dads , if you have a travel team with any 7th graders on the team then you should play 8th grade as per the rules you do not get to make up how many older kids you are allowed.

You are way too hung up on this stuff, it's young girls playing with friends at local for fun tourny. It is crazy how much this stuff bothers you and your reaction here is funny. I can picture you on the sidelines besides yourself on every play and every call. Try to relax and benjoy it, you will live longer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]MY Daughter Played On TheLuck Of Irish Team At ShamrocK. The Team Had 14 Players. Twelve Were 6Th Grade, One Was Fifth Grade And One Was A 12 Yr Old 7Th Grader Who By Birthdate Is Really More Of A 6Th Grader. She Played Bec She Was Friends With The Girls And She WaS The Same Age As Most.of The Team.. No Matter How You Look At It That Was A 6Th GrAde Travel Team That Properly Played In The 7Th Grade Division. That Team Clearly Played Within The Rules Of The Tournament. [/quo

You must be delusional , a teams age is always based on the age of its oldest member , in your case a seventh grader.You sound like a fool ,so who gets to decide how many older players a team can have before its considered too many to play in the younger age group , you? You are openly admitting you placed a travel team in the wrong age group because you feel the rules about age do not apply to your team because the kid is only a few months to old, you are pathetic.Let me guess the 5 th grader on the team is either older than most 6 th graders or as you would see it the age of a 4th grader.Lets make it simple for you TG dads , if you have a travel team with any 7th graders on the team then you should play 8th grade as per the rules you do not get to make up how many older kids you are allowed.

You are way too hung up on this stuff, it's young girls playing with friends at local for fun tourny. It is crazy how much this stuff bothers you and your reaction here is funny. I can picture you on the sidelines besides yourself on every play and every call. Try to relax and benjoy it, you will live longer.

Do not know the team in question and i am sure that they are all nice young ladies but for you to accept cheating ,even if its just by a little is shortsighted.In all honesty I could not care less if my daughters team wins or not and very rarely have an issue with referees. That being said cheating and poor sportmanship are pet peaves of mine and I do not think it should be accepted as normal behavior. My guess is you are the type who lie about your kids age to play them against younger kids and then tell everyone how great they are, the funny thing is most people see right thru it.

Has anybody heard anything about the expected turnout at the Long Island 3 Lacrosse Classic being held at Hofstra? How many teams are expected?

topgun parents , you are as embarrasing as the owners..

do it on the field, then you can talk, not one of your topguns teams has done anything. you won nothing. you are getting like the yellowjackets, youll take anybody as long as they have cash. stop already

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anybody heard anything about the expected turnout at the Long Island 3 Lacrosse Classic being held at Hofstra? How many teams are expected?

On the discussion thread for this tournament on the Tournaments Forum, we posted the following update as of approximately two weeks back.

BOTC has just received an update on the 2013 inaugural event of this recruiting showcase/tournament.

As of Monday, March 18th, the LacroSSe ClaSSic has 65 teams already booked with capacity down to approximately 10 to 15 more teams. This event figures to be a terrific new showcase and tournament for the Long Island girls lacrosse community and you are highly recommended to act now for registration to avoid being shut out. (Space is still available in the college recruiting age groups.)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

topgun parents , you are as embarrasing as the owners..

That's the pot calling the kettle YELLOW! You Clown. Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

topgun parents , you are as embarrasing as the owners..

That's the pot calling the kettle YELLOW! You Clown. Lol

That is very true the owners dont need TG parents to help them ,they do it all on their own.When refs have to stop the game to wait until a fan is removed and that fan is the head of a youth travel organization I dont think anything else needs to be said.EMBARRASSING.

I am a yj parent that happens to know the man u r speaking of he is a very intense man I know but everyone on both sides of the field have moments of craziness. All the good he does has to out weigh the bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a yj parent that happens to know the man u r speaking of he is a very intense man I know but everyone on both sides of the field have moments of craziness. All the good he does has to out weigh the bad.

The entire family are intense, it is a trait that makes them so passionate for the sport and competition. It is the very reason shannon went on as one of the best college players ever. Sad part is she was a YJ, all the haters could be celebrating the fact that a former YJ player went on to be one of the most decorated college players. I know many contempary players and families from the yj of yesteryear fully get this, supported her and rooted for her. New breed yj people, most of you are caught up in a TG vs. YJ war put out by your director because someone dared to start a rival club. Do you really need to hate because someone else tells you that you need to? So many of you on here are hellbent on fighting a fight that is not even yours.

You people are so pathetic ,the guy gets booted from a high school game for acting like an idiot and you attribute it to something positive for him, then try to make it seem as if it's CR fault. You are so blind with the maybe she was too good to be taken on the national team and he was removed from the field because he was too competitive,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You people are so pathetic ,the guy gets booted from a high school game for acting like an idiot and you attribute it to something positive for him, then try to make it seem as if it's CR fault. You are so blind with the maybe she was too good to be taken on the national team and he was removed from the field because he was too competitive,

Hello again predictable poster. Expand your vocabulary past the word "pathetic" will ya. You seem to have so much time to pepper this thread with your "pathetic" posts. Your embarrassing. Can't wait for your " pathetic" response.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You people are so pathetic ,the guy gets booted from a high school game for acting like an idiot and you attribute it to something positive for him, then try to make it seem as if it's CR fault. You are so blind with the maybe she was too good to be taken on the national team and he was removed from the field because he was too competitive,

Hello again predictable poster. Expand your vocabulary past the word "pathetic" will ya. You seem to have so much time to pepper this thread with your "pathetic" posts. Your embarrassing. Can't wait for your " pathetic" response.

Talk about predictable ,you cannot defend the actions of your hero so go after the people that point out the fact that he is out of control.The only pathetic thing is you are such a tool( another one of your favorite words) and have your head so far up you know where that you cannot see the truth.Make fun of CR all you want but I have never seen her escorted from a field .Still just brings a smile every time I think about your post of maybe she's too good so the national team did not want her, maybe step away from the doughnuts and onto a treadmill.

No hotel info or practice info on the website despite stating it would be updated 3 mnths ago. Since you're not spending the $$$ on personal uniforms someone must be able to hire a web designer who can actually put information on a page!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You people are so pathetic ,the guy gets booted from a high school game for acting like an idiot and you attribute it to something positive for him, then try to make it seem as if it's CR fault. You are so blind with the maybe she was too good to be taken on the national team and he was removed from the field because he was too competitive,

Hello again predictable poster. Expand your vocabulary past the word "pathetic" will ya. You seem to have so much time to pepper this thread with your "pathetic" posts. Your embarrassing. Can't wait for your " pathetic" response.

Talk about predictable ,you cannot defend the actions of your hero so go after the people that point out the fact that he is out of control.The only pathetic thing is you are such a tool( another one of your favorite words) and have your head so far up you know where that you cannot see the truth.Make fun of CR all you want but I have never seen her escorted from a field .Still just brings a smile every time I think about your post of maybe she's too good so the national team did not want her, maybe step away from the doughnuts and onto a treadmill.

Not a YJ or a TG parent. Both of your threads are like train wrecks that you have to slow down and look at as you drive by. Not sure how long the poster above has been involved with the YJ's, but I remember watching CR get tossed from a game at a tournament. It happens. I do agree though, that most of this venom starts from the top. If SS was a YJ director, you would all be singing her praises.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You people are so pathetic ,the guy gets booted from a high school game for acting like an idiot and you attribute it to something positive for him, then try to make it seem as if it's CR fault. You are so blind with the maybe she was too good to be taken on the national team and he was removed from the field because he was too competitive,

Hello again predictable poster. Expand your vocabulary past the word "pathetic" will ya. You seem to have so much time to pepper this thread with your "pathetic" posts. Your embarrassing. Can't wait for your " pathetic" response.

Talk about predictable ,you cannot defend the actions of your hero so go after the people that point out the fact that he is out of control.The only pathetic thing is you are such a tool( another one of your favorite words) and have your head so far up you know where that you cannot see the truth.Make fun of CR all you want but I have never seen her escorted from a field .Still just brings a smile every time I think about your post of maybe she's too good so the national team did not want her, maybe step away from the doughnuts and onto a treadmill.

Pathetic

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MY Daughter Played On TheLuck Of Irish Team At ShamrocK. The Team Had 14 Players. Twelve Were 6Th Grade, One Was Fifth Grade And One Was A 12 Yr Old 7Th Grader Who By Birthdate Is Really More Of A 6Th Grader. She Played Bec She Was Friends With The Girls And She WaS The Same Age As Most.of The Team.. No Matter How You Look At It That Was A 6Th GrAde Travel Team That Properly Played In The 7Th Grade Division. That Team Clearly Played Within The Rules Of The Tournament.

Way to justify your cheating.

Practice Schedules are posted - now what are you people going to whine about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Practice Schedules are posted - now what are you people going to whine about?

Posters like you, mainly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Practice Schedules are posted - now what are you people going to whine about?

Are you kidding? Did anybody stop to look when the practices are? On sundays. I'm pretty sure about 90 % of the girls from 2020 to 2017 still play on SCGL town teams. This creates nightmare conflicts for every single one of them as they play games on Sunday. This is a huge drop of the ball on TG. Must be the Hofstra commitment. Good for SS, bad for everyone else. Hopefully they recognize this major oversight and fix it. Anyone on the fence between TG and YJ, this is a game changer going into next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Practice Schedules are posted - now what are you people going to whine about?

Are you kidding? Did anybody stop to look when the practices are? On sundays. I'm pretty sure about 90 % of the girls from 2020 to 2017 still play on SCGL town teams. This creates nightmare conflicts for every single one of them as they play games on Sunday. This is a huge drop of the ball on TG. Must be the Hofstra commitment. Good for SS, bad for everyone else. Hopefully they recognize this major oversight and fix it. Anyone on the fence between TG and YJ, this is a game changer going into next year.

Hey moron YJ practices on Sundays, have fun on 91 or Suffolk All-Stars although they may practice on Sundays also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MY Daughter Played On TheLuck Of Irish Team At ShamrocK. The Team Had 14 Players. Twelve Were 6Th Grade, One Was Fifth Grade And One Was A 12 Yr Old 7Th Grader Who By Birthdate Is Really More Of A 6Th Grader. She Played Bec She Was Friends With The Girls And She WaS The Same Age As Most.of The Team.. No Matter How You Look At It That Was A 6Th GrAde Travel Team That Properly Played In The 7Th Grade Division. That Team Clearly Played Within The Rules Of The Tournament.

Way to justify your cheating.

Oh Please just because you use one illegal player doesn't make you a cheater I think in the rules it states you can use as many as 3 illegal players before it's actually considered cheating. Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Practice Schedules are posted - now what are you people going to whine about?

Are you kidding? Did anybody stop to look when the practices are? On sundays. I'm pretty sure about 90 % of the girls from 2020 to 2017 still play on SCGL town teams. This creates nightmare conflicts for every single one of them as they play games on Sunday. This is a huge drop of the ball on TG. Must be the Hofstra commitment. Good for SS, bad for everyone else. Hopefully they recognize this major oversight and fix it. Anyone on the fence between TG and YJ, this is a game changer going into next year.

If you were truly concerned, the right thing to do would be to contact the directors directly. Why post it on a message board?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MY Daughter Played On TheLuck Of Irish Team At ShamrocK. The Team Had 14 Players. Twelve Were 6Th Grade, One Was Fifth Grade And One Was A 12 Yr Old 7Th Grader Who By Birthdate Is Really More Of A 6Th Grader. She Played Bec She Was Friends With The Girls And She WaS The Same Age As Most.of The Team.. No Matter How You Look At It That Was A 6Th GrAde Travel Team That Properly Played In The 7Th Grade Division. That Team Clearly Played Within The Rules Of The Tournament.

Way to justify your cheating.

Oh Please just because you use one illegal player doesn't make you a cheater I think in the rules it states you can use as many as 3 illegal players before it's actually considered cheating. Lol

sounds like the one "illegal" player was the only girl playing in the correct age group if I am following this correctly (and don't give me travel vs town procedure). Maybe you should give this guy your daughters championship tee shirt. That's all that is at stake here in this elite tournament. Goes to show you the caliber of tournaments here on the island for girls, no travel teams play up at the real tournys. Tournaments should be town or travel, not try to mix the two. But what tournament director would do that, after all it is all about the $$$$.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Practice Schedules are posted - now what are you people going to whine about?

Are you kidding? Did anybody stop to look when the practices are? On sundays. I'm pretty sure about 90 % of the girls from 2020 to 2017 still play on SCGL town teams. This creates nightmare conflicts for every single one of them as they play games on Sunday. This is a huge drop of the ball on TG. Must be the Hofstra commitment. Good for SS, bad for everyone else. Hopefully they recognize this major oversight and fix it. Anyone on the fence between TG and YJ, this is a game changer going into next year.

If you were truly concerned, the right thing to do would be to contact the directors directly. Why post it on a message board?

I can see why you wouldn't, the squeky wheel gets the bench then the boot. These clubs want your money, not your headaches. So both YJs and TGs practice on sundays, seems like they are spitting in the face of the town teams. Did everyone know going in that practices were on Sunday and that this conflict existed? Doesn't sound like it, TG anyway. So when conflict arises, what do you do? Play town games and blow off travel practice that you paid top $ for, or blow off the town team and have coach, teammates and parents get pissed at you. And what if your the coach of that town team, which is often the case. No win situation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Practice Schedules are posted - now what are you people going to whine about?

Are you kidding? Did anybody stop to look when the practices are? On sundays. I'm pretty sure about 90 % of the girls from 2020 to 2017 still play on SCGL town teams. This creates nightmare conflicts for every single one of them as they play games on Sunday. This is a huge drop of the ball on TG. Must be the Hofstra commitment. Good for SS, bad for everyone else. Hopefully they recognize this major oversight and fix it. Anyone on the fence between TG and YJ, this is a game changer going into next year.

If you were truly concerned, the right thing to do would be to contact the directors directly. Why post it on a message board?

I can see why you wouldn't, the squeky wheel gets the bench then the boot. These clubs want your money, not your headaches. So both YJs and TGs practice on sundays, seems like they are spitting in the face of the town teams. Did everyone know going in that practices were on Sunday and that this conflict existed? Doesn't sound like it, TG anyway. So when conflict arises, what do you do? Play town games and blow off travel practice that you paid top $ for, or blow off the town team and have coach, teammates and parents get pissed at you. And what if your the coach of that town team, which is often the case. No win situation.

Did you ever think in part that varsity and JV play on Saturdays? Games and practices. With a lot of girls playing up that's 2017-2013 age groups alone that need free Saturdays. In addition, a lot of these travel coaches are high school coaches who need Saturdays free!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can see why you wouldn't, the squeky wheel gets the bench then the boot. These clubs want your money, not your headaches. So both YJs and TGs practice on sundays, seems like they are spitting in the face of the town teams. Did everyone know going in that practices were on Sunday and that this conflict existed? Doesn't sound like it, TG anyway. So when conflict arises, what do you do? Play town games and blow off travel practice that you paid top $ for, or blow off the town team and have coach, teammates and parents get pissed at you. And what if your the coach of that town team, which is often the case. No win situation.

Everyone else figures it out. You will, too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Practice Schedules are posted - now what are you people going to whine about?

Are you kidding? Did anybody stop to look when the practices are? On sundays. I'm pretty sure about 90 % of the girls from 2020 to 2017 still play on SCGL town teams. This creates nightmare conflicts for every single one of them as they play games on Sunday. This is a huge drop of the ball on TG. Must be the Hofstra commitment. Good for SS, bad for everyone else. Hopefully they recognize this major oversight and fix it. Anyone on the fence between TG and YJ, this is a game changer going into next year.

If you were truly concerned, the right thing to do would be to contact the directors directly. Why post it on a message board?

I can see why you wouldn't, the squeky wheel gets the bench then the boot. These clubs want your money, not your headaches. So both YJs and TGs practice on sundays, seems like they are spitting in the face of the town teams. Did everyone know going in that practices were on Sunday and that this conflict existed? Doesn't sound like it, TG anyway. So when conflict arises, what do you do? Play town games and blow off travel practice that you paid top $ for, or blow off the town team and have coach, teammates and parents get pissed at you. And what if your the coach of that town team, which is often the case. No win situation.

Did you ever think in part that varsity and JV play on Saturdays? Games and practices. With a lot of girls playing up that's 2017-2013 age groups alone that need free Saturdays. In addition, a lot of these travel coaches are high school coaches who need Saturdays free!!!

2017 to 2013 are not part of conversation. There is no SCGL for those age groups.

You both got beat by a town team anyway!

Last year 5th n 6 th grade practiced on Saturdays and all other teams on Sundays

Elephant in the room , could this move have been to block any in the younger age groups from taking advantage of the Stony Brook clinics. Certain people do not want any kids seeing how good a coach Spallina is and wondering if the grass would not be greener when paying big bucks for sub par coaching.Just saying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elephant in the room , could this move have been to block any in the younger age groups from taking advantage of the Stony Brook clinics. Certain people do not want any kids seeing how good a coach Spallina is and wondering if the grass would not be greener when paying big bucks for sub par coaching.Just saying.

I'm rolling my eyes. Really?

Wow powder your input on all this has been just so insightful, original thought ever?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elephant in the room , could this move have been to block any in the younger age groups from taking advantage of the Stony Brook clinics. Certain people do not want any kids seeing how good a coach Spallina is and wondering if the grass would not be greener when paying big bucks for sub par coaching.Just saying.

Good point!
Possibly TG is using subliminal messaging on their website and emails telling people to STAY AWAY FROM SPALLINA! Hahaha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow powder your input on all this has been just so insightful, original thought ever?

Well if you were registered we could see how insightful your posts are. My guess is they are not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elephant in the room , could this move have been to block any in the younger age groups from taking advantage of the Stony Brook clinics. Certain people do not want any kids seeing how good a coach Spallina is and wondering if the grass would not be greener when paying big bucks for sub par coaching.Just saying.

never saw any info for these Stony Brook Clinics, what ages are they running? Any info out there?

My understanding, and I admit this is second hand info, is that Spallina was going to run clinics and games on Sunday mornings for the 6-7-8 th grade group. I believe it was by invitation only and was mainly TG kids and some YJ kids and they were trying to keep it to the so called more competitive kids.Even though I am not a registered user yet I also heard that the big kahoona did not like the idea and felt they were possibly going to be tempted to jump ship so a practice day switch may have been made in this age group.Again all second hand info but that is what I was hearing and am now a little ticked because it sounded like a great idea.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My understanding, and I admit this is second hand info, is that Spallina was going to run clinics and games on Sunday mornings for the 6-7-8 th grade group. I believe it was by invitation only and was mainly TG kids and some YJ kids and they were trying to keep it to the so called more competitive kids.Even though I am not a registered user yet I also heard that the big kahoona did not like the idea and felt they were possibly going to be tempted to jump ship so a practice day switch may have been made in this age group.Again all second hand info but that is what I was hearing and am now a little ticked because it sounded like a great idea.

Does anyone really believe that any of these clinincs are worth the time and money? Maybe if you're a HS kid looking to play for SB, but otherwise they're all fund raisers, especially for the younger age groups.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My understanding, and I admit this is second hand info, is that Spallina was going to run clinics and games on Sunday mornings for the 6-7-8 th grade group. I believe it was by invitation only and was mainly TG kids and some YJ kids and they were trying to keep it to the so called more competitive kids.Even though I am not a registered user yet I also heard that the big kahoona did not like the idea and felt they were possibly going to be tempted to jump ship so a practice day switch may have been made in this age group.Again all second hand info but that is what I was hearing and am now a little ticked because it sounded like a great idea.

So you are ticked off over rumors you admitted are second hand and possibly untrue? Hmmm sounds like your entire post is Bull Sh!*.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My understanding, and I admit this is second hand info, is that Spallina was going to run clinics and games on Sunday mornings for the 6-7-8 th grade group. I believe it was by invitation only and was mainly TG kids and some YJ kids and they were trying to keep it to the so called more competitive kids.Even though I am not a registered user yet I also heard that the big kahoona did not like the idea and felt they were possibly going to be tempted to jump ship so a practice day switch may have been made in this age group.Again all second hand info but that is what I was hearing and am now a little ticked because it sounded like a great idea.

Does anyone really believe that any of these clinincs are worth the time and money? Maybe if you're a HS kid looking to play for SB, but otherwise they're all fund raisers, especially for the younger age groups.

Well said and quite true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My understanding, and I admit this is second hand info, is that Spallina was going to run clinics and games on Sunday mornings for the 6-7-8 th grade group. I believe it was by invitation only and was mainly TG kids and some YJ kids and they were trying to keep it to the so called more competitive kids.Even though I am not a registered user yet I also heard that the big kahoona did not like the idea and felt they were possibly going to be tempted to jump ship so a practice day switch may have been made in this age group.Again all second hand info but that is what I was hearing and am now a little ticked because it sounded like a great idea.

So you are ticked off over rumors you admitted are second hand and possibly untrue? Hmmm sounds like your entire post is Bull Sh!*.

Actually my kid was invited to attend ,how it all came about and exactly how it was going to be done was not completely clear but it sounded like a great opportunity to learn from a proven coach and play with some talented kids. In my opinion the more time with a lacrosse stick in their hand the better.I would say I am dissappointed it may not happen and admimit I have no idea if BS changed the day of practice in response to this. that being said you seem a little sensitive ,could it be your kid was not asked or one of those control freak TG daddys that could not control this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My understanding, and I admit this is second hand info, is that Spallina was going to run clinics and games on Sunday mornings for the 6-7-8 th grade group. I believe it was by invitation only and was mainly TG kids and some YJ kids and they were trying to keep it to the so called more competitive kids.Even though I am not a registered user yet I also heard that the big kahoona did not like the idea and felt they were possibly going to be tempted to jump ship so a practice day switch may have been made in this age group.Again all second hand info but that is what I was hearing and am now a little ticked because it sounded like a great idea.

Does anyone really believe that any of these clinincs are worth the time and money? Maybe if you're a HS kid looking to play for SB, but otherwise they're all fund raisers, especially for the younger age groups.

Save your money. My girls used to do the Just 4 Girls Camp over the summer, but we stopped because they were only reviewing basic skills, things kids at the travel level should already know. For them, the highlight of the camp was lunch and the pool. I�d rater spend $500 on a weekend at Hershey or something similar. The only ones that benefit from these kinds of camps are the guys that run them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My understanding, and I admit this is second hand info, is that Spallina was going to run clinics and games on Sunday mornings for the 6-7-8 th grade group. I believe it was by invitation only and was mainly TG kids and some YJ kids and they were trying to keep it to the so called more competitive kids.Even though I am not a registered user yet I also heard that the big kahoona did not like the idea and felt they were possibly going to be tempted to jump ship so a practice day switch may have been made in this age group.Again all second hand info but that is what I was hearing and am now a little ticked because it sounded like a great idea.

Does anyone really believe that any of these clinincs are worth the time and money? Maybe if you're a HS kid looking to play for SB, but otherwise they're all fund raisers, especially for the younger age groups.

Save your money. My girls used to do the Just 4 Girls Camp over the summer, but we stopped because they were only reviewing basic skills, things kids at the travel level should already know. For them, the highlight of the camp was lunch and the pool. I�d rater spend $500 on a weekend at Hershey or something similar. The only ones that benefit from these kinds of camps are the guys that run them.

I think a lot of people attend these camps because they feel if they don�t, the coaches will be upset and their kid will be put on the coaches shi* list. Attend my camp or else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elephant in the room , could this move have been to block any in the younger age groups from taking advantage of the Stony Brook clinics. Certain people do not want any kids seeing how good a coach Spallina is and wondering if the grass would not be greener when paying big bucks for sub par coaching.Just saying.

never saw any info for these Stony Brook Clinics, what ages are they running? Any info out there?

I think it's a TG Daddy team special. Sort of like the YJ friends and family plan.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually my kid was invited to attend ,how it all came about and exactly how it was going to be done was not completely clear but it sounded like a great opportunity to learn from a proven coach and play with some talented kids.

What? Your kid was invited but no details were provided? Who did the inviting? Every camp or clinic invitation I have ever seen provides all the details.

Secondly, no guarantee of "talented kids." What you are guaranteed are "kids whose parents are willing to ante up." They may be talented or they may not. Especially at the younger ages, you get a lot of social joining because "that's what my friends are doing."

Calm down powder, no one said no details and the invitation was verbal from someone involved. In this case there was a guarantee of talented kids in that I knew many of the other kids who were going .Not sure why this annoys so many .

Anyone know if there is any truth to the rumor that Spallina is starting a high school travel team?

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually my kid was invited to attend ,how it all came about and exactly how it was going to be done was not completely clear but it sounded like a great opportunity to learn from a proven coach and play with some talented kids.

What? Your kid was invited but no details were provided? Who did the inviting? Every camp or clinic invitation I have ever seen provides all the details.

Secondly, no guarantee of "talented kids." What you are guaranteed are "kids whose parents are willing to ante up." They may be talented or they may not. Especially at the younger ages, you get a lot of social joining because "that's what my friends are doing."

You would never see this with the YJ group

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My understanding, and I admit this is second hand info, is that Spallina was going to run clinics and games on Sunday mornings for the 6-7-8 th grade group. I believe it was by invitation only and was mainly TG kids and some YJ kids and they were trying to keep it to the so called more competitive kids.Even though I am not a registered user yet I also heard that the big kahoona did not like the idea and felt they were possibly going to be tempted to jump ship so a practice day switch may have been made in this age group.Again all second hand info but that is what I was hearing and am now a little ticked because it sounded like a great idea.

Does anyone really believe that any of these clinincs are worth the time and money? Maybe if you're a HS kid looking to play for SB, but otherwise they're all fund raisers, especially for the younger age groups.

Save your money. My girls used to do the Just 4 Girls Camp over the summer, but we stopped because they were only reviewing basic skills, things kids at the travel level should already know. For them, the highlight of the camp was lunch and the pool. I�d rater spend $500 on a weekend at Hershey or something similar. The only ones that benefit from these kinds of camps are the guys that run them.

I think a lot of people attend these camps because they feel if they don�t, the coaches will be upset and their kid will be put on the coaches shi* list. Attend my camp or else.

That's called YJ's!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My understanding, and I admit this is second hand info, is that Spallina was going to run clinics and games on Sunday mornings for the 6-7-8 th grade group. I believe it was by invitation only and was mainly TG kids and some YJ kids and they were trying to keep it to the so called more competitive kids.Even though I am not a registered user yet I also heard that the big kahoona did not like the idea and felt they were possibly going to be tempted to jump ship so a practice day switch may have been made in this age group.Again all second hand info but that is what I was hearing and am now a little ticked because it sounded like a great idea.

Does anyone really believe that any of these clinincs are worth the time and money? Maybe if you're a HS kid looking to play for SB, but otherwise they're all fund raisers, especially for the younger age groups.

Save your money. My girls used to do the Just 4 Girls Camp over the summer, but we stopped because they were only reviewing basic skills, things kids at the travel level should already know. For them, the highlight of the camp was lunch and the pool. I�d rater spend $500 on a weekend at Hershey or something similar. The only ones that benefit from these kinds of camps are the guys that run them.

I think a lot of people attend these camps because they feel if they don�t, the coaches will be upset and their kid will be put on the coaches shi* list. Attend my camp or else.

That's called YJ's!

Yjs don't run a summer camp. But hey SS as 2of them,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yjs don't run a summer camp. But hey SS as 2of them,

Your post proves that advertising on BOTC works.

As for your Yellow Jackets comment, are you sure about that, Chief? We certainly have not seen anything cross our desk from the Yellow Jackets director.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My understanding, and I admit this is second hand info, is that Spallina was going to run clinics and games on Sunday mornings for the 6-7-8 th grade group. I believe it was by invitation only and was mainly TG kids and some YJ kids and they were trying to keep it to the so called more competitive kids.Even though I am not a registered user yet I also heard that the big kahoona did not like the idea and felt they were possibly going to be tempted to jump ship so a practice day switch may have been made in this age group.Again all second hand info but that is what I was hearing and am now a little ticked because it sounded like a great idea.

No. I just despise people who not only perpetuate second hand trash but post fictitious stories in an attempt to stir the pot. You my friend are one of those people.

So you are ticked off over rumors you admitted are second hand and possibly untrue? Hmmm sounds like your entire post is Bull Sh!*.

Actually my kid was invited to attend ,how it all came about and exactly how it was going to be done was not completely clear but it sounded like a great opportunity to learn from a proven coach and play with some talented kids. In my opinion the more time with a lacrosse stick in their hand the better.I would say I am dissappointed it may not happen and admimit I have no idea if BS changed the day of practice in response to this. that being said you seem a little sensitive ,could it be your kid was not asked or one of those control freak TG daddys that could not control this.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yjs don't run a summer camp. But hey SS as 2of them,

Your post proves that advertising on BOTC works.

As for your Yellow Jackets comment, are you sure about that, Chief? We certainly have not seen anything cross our desk from the Yellow Jackets director.

SS has 2 oranizations, hence 2 camps. I have never seen a YJ camp during the summer.

YJ happen to run the BEST CAMP on Long Island. Loaded with college coaches!!.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yjs don't run a summer camp. But hey SS as 2of them,

Your post proves that advertising on BOTC works.

As for your Yellow Jackets comment, are you sure about that, Chief? We certainly have not seen anything cross our desk from the Yellow Jackets director.

SS has 2 oranizations, hence 2 camps. I have never seen a YJ camp during the summer.

YJ has sleep away team camps up at Syracuse.

spallina excellent coach, top of the line, best coach on Long Island, hands down , that other coach from hempstead cant carry his shoes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My understanding, and I admit this is second hand info, is that Spallina was going to run clinics and games on Sunday mornings for the 6-7-8 th grade group. I believe it was by invitation only and was mainly TG kids and some YJ kids and they were trying to keep it to the so called more competitive kids.Even though I am not a registered user yet I also heard that the big kahoona did not like the idea and felt they were possibly going to be tempted to jump ship so a practice day switch may have been made in this age group.Again all second hand info but that is what I was hearing and am now a little ticked because it sounded like a great idea.

So you are ticked off over rumors you admitted are second hand and possibly untrue? Hmmm sounds like your entire post is Bull Sh!*.

Actually my kid was invited to attend ,how it all came about and exactly how it was going to be done was not completely clear but it sounded like a great opportunity to learn from a proven coach and play with some talented kids. In my opinion the more time with a lacrosse stick in their hand the better.I would say I am dissappointed it may not happen and admimit I have no idea if BS changed the day of practice in response to this. that being said you seem a little sensitive ,could it be your kid was not asked or one of those control freak TG daddys that could not control this.

No. I just despise people who not only perpetuate second hand trash but post fictitious stories in an attempt to stir the pot. You my friend are one of those people.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

spallina excellent coach, top of the line, best coach on Long Island, hands down , that other coach from hempstead cant carry his shoes

Signed,
Coach Spallina. Hahaha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJ happen to run the BEST CAMP on Long Island. Loaded with college coaches!!.

And what camp might that be?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yjs don't run a summer camp. But hey SS as 2of them,

Your post proves that advertising on BOTC works.

As for your Yellow Jackets comment, are you sure about that, Chief? We certainly have not seen anything cross our desk from the Yellow Jackets director.

SS has 2 oranizations, hence 2 camps. I have never seen a YJ camp during the summer.

YJ has sleep away team camps up at Syracuse.

Nike Cup Team Tournament Camp - Team and Individual Player Registrations are now open!! Here it is. Paid directly to SU camps. Not a YJ run camp.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJ happen to run the BEST CAMP on Long Island. Loaded with college coaches!!.

And what camp might that be?

BOTC strongly recommends the Lacrosse-By-3 Evening Camp (individual camp at the end of June) or the Lacrosse-By-3 Team Camp (end of July) designed for High School Varsity teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nike Cup Team Tournament Camp - Team and Individual Player Registrations are now open!! Here it is. Paid directly to SU camps. Not a YJ run camp.

Traveling to Syracuse for Team Camps is no longer necessary with rhe Lacrosse-By-3 Team Camp at the end of July now in place. With Hofstra University's Shuart Stadium as the setting, top facilities and training will be provided. You can find our more about this program by clicking the Sponsor's Panel Lacrosse-By-3 panel at the top of this page.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJ happen to run the BEST CAMP on Long Island. Loaded with college coaches!!.

I hope you don't mean Just 4 Girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My understanding, and I admit this is second hand info, is that Spallina was going to run clinics and games on Sunday mornings for the 6-7-8 th grade group. I believe it was by invitation only and was mainly TG kids and some YJ kids and they were trying to keep it to the so called more competitive kids.Even though I am not a registered user yet I also heard that the big kahoona did not like the idea and felt they were possibly going to be tempted to jump ship so a practice day switch may have been made in this age group.Again all second hand info but that is what I was hearing and am now a little ticked because it sounded like a great idea.

So you are ticked off over rumors you admitted are second hand and possibly untrue? Hmmm sounds like your entire post is Bull Sh!*.

Actually my kid was invited to attend ,how it all came about and exactly how it was going to be done was not completely clear but it sounded like a great opportunity to learn from a proven coach and play with some talented kids. In my opinion the more time with a lacrosse stick in their hand the better.I would say I am dissappointed it may not happen and admimit I have no idea if BS changed the day of practice in response to this. that being said you seem a little sensitive ,could it be your kid was not asked or one of those control freak TG daddys that could not control this.

No. I just despise people who not only perpetuate second hand trash but post fictitious stories in an attempt to stir the pot. You my friend are one of those people.

Despise, how dramatic. Fact, there was going to be a camp/scrimages held at Stony Brook under the instruction of Spallina on Sundays involving 6-7 graders many but not all TG players .Fact ,many current Stony Brook players were going to help in the training.Fact ,TG have now switched these age groups to Sundays and now the Stony Brook instruction may not happen. Fact BS was not happy that so many of his younger players were going to attend this .Exactly what from the original post in regard to this was second hand trash.The point that someone gets ticked when politics get in the way of something beneficial for the kids is what you should really despise, unless you are one of those control freak TG daddies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My understanding, and I admit this is second hand info, is that Spallina was going to run clinics and games on Sunday mornings for the 6-7-8 th grade group. I believe it was by invitation only and was mainly TG kids and some YJ kids and they were trying to keep it to the so called more competitive kids.Even though I am not a registered user yet I also heard that the big kahoona did not like the idea and felt they were possibly going to be tempted to jump ship so a practice day switch may have been made in this age group.Again all second hand info but that is what I was hearing and am now a little ticked because it sounded like a great idea.

So you are ticked off over rumors you admitted are second hand and possibly untrue? Hmmm sounds like your entire post is Bull Sh!*.

Actually my kid was invited to attend ,how it all came about and exactly how it was going to be done was not completely clear but it sounded like a great opportunity to learn from a proven coach and play with some talented kids. In my opinion the more time with a lacrosse stick in their hand the better.I would say I am dissappointed it may not happen and admimit I have no idea if BS changed the day of practice in response to this. that being said you seem a little sensitive ,could it be your kid was not asked or one of those control freak TG daddys that could not control this.

No. I just despise people who not only perpetuate second hand trash but post fictitious stories in an attempt to stir the pot. You my friend are one of those people.

Despise, how dramatic. Fact, there was going to be a camp/scrimages held at Stony Brook under the instruction of Spallina on Sundays involving 6-7 graders many but not all TG players .Fact ,many current Stony Brook players were going to help in the training.Fact ,TG have now switched these age groups to Sundays and now the Stony Brook instruction may not happen. Fact BS was not happy that so many of his younger players were going to attend this .Exactly what from the original post in regard to this was second hand trash.The point that someone gets ticked when politics get in the way of something beneficial for the kids is what you should really despise, unless you are one of those control freak TG daddies.

Well, If you read your posts you will see your inconsistencies. Is this Al Gore? Your story has flip flopped almost as much as Mr Gores global warming theory. You are not smart enough to make stuff up and remember those lies. Even though it's in black and white for your reference you still screw it up. Keep em coming though because it's fun and interesting to see you back track. But we have seen this from you in the past and you just won't learn from your mistakes will you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My understanding, and I admit this is second hand info, is that Spallina was going to run clinics and games on Sunday mornings for the 6-7-8 th grade group. I believe it was by invitation only and was mainly TG kids and some YJ kids and they were trying to keep it to the so called more competitive kids.Even though I am not a registered user yet I also heard that the big kahoona did not like the idea and felt they were possibly going to be tempted to jump ship so a practice day switch may have been made in this age group.Again all second hand info but that is what I was hearing and am now a little ticked because it sounded like a great idea.

So you are ticked off over rumors you admitted are second hand and possibly untrue? Hmmm sounds like your entire post is Bull Sh!*.

Actually my kid was invited to attend ,how it all came about and exactly how it was going to be done was not completely clear but it sounded like a great opportunity to learn from a proven coach and play with some talented kids. In my opinion the more time with a lacrosse stick in their hand the better.I would say I am dissappointed it may not happen and admimit I have no idea if BS changed the day of practice in response to this. that being said you seem a little sensitive ,could it be your kid was not asked or one of those control freak TG daddys that could not control this.

No. I just despise people who not only perpetuate second hand trash but post fictitious stories in an attempt to stir the pot. You my friend are one of those people.

Despise, how dramatic. Fact, there was going to be a camp/scrimages held at Stony Brook under the instruction of Spallina on Sundays involving 6-7 graders many but not all TG players .Fact ,many current Stony Brook players were going to help in the training.Fact ,TG have now switched these age groups to Sundays and now the Stony Brook instruction may not happen. Fact BS was not happy that so many of his younger players were going to attend this .Exactly what from the original post in regard to this was second hand trash.The point that someone gets ticked when politics get in the way of something beneficial for the kids is what you should really despise, unless you are one of those control freak TG daddies.

Well, If you read your posts you will see your inconsistencies. Is this Al Gore? Your story has flip flopped almost as much as Mr Gores global warming theory. You are not smart enough to make stuff up and remember those lies. Even though it's in black and white for your reference you still screw it up. Keep em coming though because it's fun and interesting to see you back track. But we have seen this from you in the past and you just won't learn from your mistakes will you

This stuff is getting boring, you guys should talk about CR, PM, BS, SS, crazy fat guys or something, because those conversations are more entertaining.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My understanding, and I admit this is second hand info, is that Spallina was going to run clinics and games on Sunday mornings for the 6-7-8 th grade group. I believe it was by invitation only and was mainly TG kids and some YJ kids and they were trying to keep it to the so called more competitive kids.Even though I am not a registered user yet I also heard that the big kahoona did not like the idea and felt they were possibly going to be tempted to jump ship so a practice day switch may have been made in this age group.Again all second hand info but that is what I was hearing and am now a little ticked because it sounded like a great idea.

So you are ticked off over rumors you admitted are second hand and possibly untrue? Hmmm sounds like your entire post is Bull Sh!*.

Actually my kid was invited to attend ,how it all came about and exactly how it was going to be done was not completely clear but it sounded like a great opportunity to learn from a proven coach and play with some talented kids. In my opinion the more time with a lacrosse stick in their hand the better.I would say I am dissappointed it may not happen and admimit I have no idea if BS changed the day of practice in response to this. that being said you seem a little sensitive ,could it be your kid was not asked or one of those control freak TG daddys that could not control this.

No. I just despise people who not only perpetuate second hand trash but post fictitious stories in an attempt to stir the pot. You my friend are one of those people.

Despise, how dramatic. Fact, there was going to be a camp/scrimages held at Stony Brook under the instruction of Spallina on Sundays involving 6-7 graders many but not all TG players .Fact ,many current Stony Brook players were going to help in the training.Fact ,TG have now switched these age groups to Sundays and now the Stony Brook instruction may not happen. Fact BS was not happy that so many of his younger players were going to attend this .Exactly what from the original post in regard to this was second hand trash.The point that someone gets ticked when politics get in the way of something beneficial for the kids is what you should really despise, unless you are one of those control freak TG daddies.

Well, If you read your posts you will see your inconsistencies. Is this Al Gore? Your story has flip flopped almost as much as Mr Gores global warming theory. You are not smart enough to make stuff up and remember those lies. Even though it's in black and white for your reference you still screw it up. Keep em coming though because it's fun and interesting to see you back track. But we have seen this from you in the past and you just won't learn from your mistakes will you

You clearly are an idiot, please name one inconsistency, you will not be able to do so because everything that has beeen said is true including the part about you being an idiot.Not sure why you feel this is some made up clinic but ask some TG 2018-2019 parents including myself and we will let you know.I get the feeling you are the parent of some kid who was not asked to attend so you just cannot believe it, my guess is they would have had no problem asking your kid to go if you agreed not to show.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You clearly are an idiot, please name one inconsistency, you will not be able to do so because everything that has beeen said is true including the part about you being an idiot.Not sure why you feel this is some made up clinic but ask some TG 2018-2019 parents including myself and we will let you know.I get the feeling you are the parent of some kid who was not asked to attend so you just cannot believe it, my guess is they would have had no problem asking your kid to go if you agreed not to show.

you're anonymous, he can't ask you. I have heard of this actually being true, so I too wonder why it's so hard to believe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You clearly are an idiot, please name one inconsistency, you will not be able to do so because everything that has beeen said is true including the part about you being an idiot.Not sure why you feel this is some made up clinic but ask some TG 2018-2019 parents including myself and we will let you know.I get the feeling you are the parent of some kid who was not asked to attend so you just cannot believe it, my guess is they would have had no problem asking your kid to go if you agreed not to show.

you're anonymous, he can't ask you. I have heard of this actually being true, so I too wonder why it's so hard to believe.

It is true, if you go to the SB Women�s lacrosse web site, and click on the link �TG Psyco Daddies Clinic� you will see all of the info.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You clearly are an idiot, please name one inconsistency, you will not be able to do so because everything that has beeen said is true including the part about you being an idiot.Not sure why you feel this is some made up clinic but ask some TG 2018-2019 parents including myself and we will let you know.I get the feeling you are the parent of some kid who was not asked to attend so you just cannot believe it, my guess is they would have had no problem asking your kid to go if you agreed not to show.

you're anonymous, he can't ask you. I have heard of this actually being true, so I too wonder why it's so hard to believe.

It is true, if you go to the SB Women�s lacrosse web site, and click on the link �TG Psyco Daddies Clinic� you will see all of the info.

Well my daughter got asked to play on a "special" team by Joe Spallina, Gary Gait and Kelly Amonte Hiller and we just can't pick! Such a hard choice! LOL

No one questioned whether the clinic was real you loser. I was saying you started saying it was second hand info. Then that you didn't know if Bill was pissed. Then you did know Bill was pissed. Changing over and over. GO READ IT YOU MORON. Your spouse hit the village idiot lottery huh. Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one questioned whether the clinic was real you loser. I was saying you started saying it was second hand info. Then that you didn't know if Bill was pissed. Then you did know Bill was pissed. Changing over and over. GO READ IT YOU MORON. Your spouse hit the village idiot lottery huh. Lol

Actually I said a practice day switch may have been in response to the clinic which BS was not happy with so many kids attending, again I do not know if the switch was made for this reason but neither do you moron. The only thing changing over and over is your diaper and my guess the teams your kid does not get selected for because of her idiot father.Let me guess you are the one who played your older kid with the younger team a few weeks ago because none of the older daddy TG teams wanted you around.I feel bad for your children when you have to ruin things for other kids because yours was not asked.Now go have your wife change your diaper and give you your bottle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You clearly are an idiot, please name one inconsistency, you will not be able to do so because everything that has beeen said is true including the part about you being an idiot.Not sure why you feel this is some made up clinic but ask some TG 2018-2019 parents including myself and we will let you know.I get the feeling you are the parent of some kid who was not asked to attend so you just cannot believe it, my guess is they would have had no problem asking your kid to go if you agreed not to show.

you're anonymous, he can't ask you. I have heard of this actually being true, so I too wonder why it's so hard to believe.

If you are in fact a TG parent can you please shut the F up. You are an embarrassment. Thanks, Signed All the other TG parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually I said a practice day switch may have been in response to the clinic which BS was not happy with so many kids attending, again I do not know if the switch was made for this reason but neither do you moron. The only thing changing over and over is your diaper and my guess the teams your kid does not get selected for because of her idiot father.Let me guess you are the one who played your older kid with the younger team a few weeks ago because none of the older daddy TG teams wanted you around.I feel bad for your children when you have to ruin things for other kids because yours was not asked.Now go have your wife change your diaper and give you your bottle.

My wife died. Thanks jackass. My kids are out of college and you are a shining example of the state of today's parents. Sad really.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually I said a practice day switch may have been in response to the clinic which BS was not happy with so many kids attending, again I do not know if the switch was made for this reason but neither do you moron. The only thing changing over and over is your diaper and my guess the teams your kid does not get selected for because of her idiot father.Let me guess you are the one who played your older kid with the younger team a few weeks ago because none of the older daddy TG teams wanted you around.I feel bad for your children when you have to ruin things for other kids because yours was not asked.Now go have your wife change your diaper and give you your bottle.

My wife died. Thanks jackass. My kids are out of college and you are a shining example of the state of today's parents. Sad really.

This thread of discussion is now closed. Next Long Island Top Guns topic please.

Seriously cage , you have some adult on here following youth (6-7) grade claiming his kids are out of college and you do not see some issue with that. Sorry but the politics of money has clearly out weighed what is best for the kids in this case and anyone who was looking forward to having a proven college coach help their daughter become a better lacrosse player knows this.Yes both YJ and TG parents know that they are willing to compromise when trying to find what is best for their kids lacrosse wise and that is pathetic, they should not have to in fear of repercussions.Even more pathetic some a-hole claiming his wife died while he goes after someone else's wife and you post it.Yes you will edit this post or ban me from future posts because of what has been written bt it is a chance I am willing to take.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously cage , you have some adult on here following youth (6-7) grade claiming his kids are out of college and you do not see some issue with that. Sorry but the politics of money has clearly out weighed what is best for the kids in this case and anyone who was looking forward to having a proven college coach help their daughter become a better lacrosse player knows this.Yes both YJ and TG parents know that they are willing to compromise when trying to find what is best for their kids lacrosse wise and that is pathetic, they should not have to in fear of repercussions.Even more pathetic some a-hole claiming his wife died while he goes after someone else's wife and you post it.Yes you will edit this post or ban me from future posts because of what has been written bt it is a chance I am willing to take.

for the life of me I don't understand why the board doesn't require registration to post, you'd have to think it would at least slow down the craziness. I don't know many message boards that don't require registration before posting. I'm anonymous but mostly I troll the boards and don't post much, for others it's fair game for negativity and to call people out without any real backlash. I'll register when required to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously cage , you have some adult on here following youth (6-7) grade claiming his kids are out of college and you do not see some issue with that.

Since when did we make a rule suggesting that parents of post-college graduate students are not permitted to be part of the lacrosse community? How many US Lacrosse Members right now remain active to stay in touch with the sport though their playing, coaching, and lacrosse parenting days are over?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but the politics of money has clearly out weighed what is best for the kids in this case and anyone who was looking forward to having a proven college coach help their daughter become a better lacrosse player knows this

Perhaps we are missing your point, but lacrosse training just like any youth sport will be largely driven by income derived from providing the service. Hence, money drives the ship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes both YJ and TG parents know that they are willing to compromise when trying to find what is best for their kids lacrosse wise and that is pathetic, they should not have to in fear of repercussions.

What compromise is being made? Play with the Yellow Jackets, play with Top Guns, play with any other club that feels like it is providing value for your family and student-athlete. As for fear, any parent that is running in fear of a lacrosse club program, director, and other team member is not doing their parenting job. What fear is involved? My kid won't make such and such club team - go to another club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Even more pathetic some a-hole claiming his wife died while he goes after someone else's wife and you post it.Yes you will edit this post or ban me from future posts because of what has been written bt it is a chance I am willing to take.

Whether or not that post was valid, BOTC stepped in at that point to end this line of conversation. Yet, we allowed your persepctive to be heard although we are not clear on what you were trying to communicate.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously cage , you have some adult on here following youth (6-7) grade claiming his kids are out of college and you do not see some issue with that.

Since when did we make a rule suggesting that parents of post-college graduate students are not permitted to be part of the lacrosse community? How many US Lacrosse Members right now remain active to stay in touch with the sport though their playing, coaching, and lacrosse parenting days are over?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but the politics of money has clearly out weighed what is best for the kids in this case and anyone who was looking forward to having a proven college coach help their daughter become a better lacrosse player knows this

Perhaps we are missing your point, but lacrosse training just like any youth sport will be largely driven by income derived from providing the service. Hence, money drives the ship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes both YJ and TG parents know that they are willing to compromise when trying to find what is best for their kids lacrosse wise and that is pathetic, they should not have to in fear of repercussions.

What compromise is being made? Play with the Yellow Jackets, play with Top Guns, play with any other club that feels like it is providing value for your family and student-athlete. As for fear, any parent that is running in fear of a lacrosse club program, director, and other team member is not doing their parenting job. What fear is involved? My kid won't make such and such club team - go to another club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Even more pathetic some a-hole claiming his wife died while he goes after someone else's wife and you post it.Yes you will edit this post or ban me from future posts because of what has been written bt it is a chance I am willing to take.

Whether or not that post was valid, BOTC stepped in at that point to end this line of conversation. Yet, we allowed your persepctive to be heard although we are not clear on what you were trying to communicate.

Everyone go back to your YJ thread now, the train wreck is over!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

for the life of me I don't understand why the board doesn't require registration to post, you'd have to think it would at least slow down the craziness. I don't know many message boards that don't require registration before posting. I'm anonymous but mostly I troll the boards and don't post much, for others it's fair game for negativity and to call people out without any real backlash. I'll register when required to.

BOTC's policy is that we do not require registration however comments from anonymous readers can and will be reviewed and editted without notice per our Board Rules.

Registered participants have a much broader ability to comment, critique, and question. Also, registered user's do not face the same per-post authentication requirements of non-registered participants. Lastly, registered users also generate higher quality contributions to the community. Hence, we encourage readers to join to make a more serious impact on the lacrosse commentary, but do not require it.

topguns camp has college kids working it, who dont give a damn about coaching or teaching, home for the summer, trying to make a buck. ss puppets

Originally Posted by Anonymous

topguns camp has college kids working it, who dont give a damn about coaching or teaching, home for the summer, trying to make a buck. ss puppets

What is wrong with college student-athletes earning summer money by training younger lacrosse players? Your assertion that "they don't give a damn" paints everyone with same misguided brush. Honestly, BOTC just does not understand the ax you are grinding here. If their camp is not your cup of tea, place your bets with another organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously cage , you have some adult on here following youth (6-7) grade claiming his kids are out of college and you do not see some issue with that.

Since when did we make a rule suggesting that parents of post-college graduate students are not permitted to be part of the lacrosse community? How many US Lacrosse Members right now remain active to stay in touch with the sport though their playing, coaching, and lacrosse parenting days are over?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but the politics of money has clearly out weighed what is best for the kids in this case and anyone who was looking forward to having a proven college coach help their daughter become a better lacrosse player knows this

Perhaps we are missing your point, but lacrosse training just like any youth sport will be largely driven by income derived from providing the service. Hence, money drives the ship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes both YJ and TG parents know that they are willing to compromise when trying to find what is best for their kids lacrosse wise and that is pathetic, they should not have to in fear of repercussions.

What compromise is being made? Play with the Yellow Jackets, play with Top Guns, play with any other club that feels like it is providing value for your family and student-athlete. As for fear, any parent that is running in fear of a lacrosse club program, director, and other team member is not doing their parenting job. What fear is involved? My kid won't make such and such club team - go to another club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Even more pathetic some a-hole claiming his wife died while he goes after someone else's wife and you post it.Yes you will edit this post or ban me from future posts because of what has been written bt it is a chance I am willing to take.

Whether or not that post was valid, BOTC stepped in at that point to end this line of conversation. Yet, we allowed your persepctive to be heard although we are not clear on what you were trying to communicate.

Everyone go back to your YJ thread now, the train wreck is over!

Just wait a day or two for the next train wreck. It is more of an ongoing wreck with these threads. There seems to be an inverse relationship. The bigger the club the bigger the trainwrecks. YJ's a big club with one trainwreck after the other on the threads, TG next , liberty and so on...... I guess the bigger the club the more people you have posting and the easier it is to keep your anonymous comments. I will note however that it does seem to be mostly yj parents stirring up with all the other clubs threads.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

topguns camp has college kids working it, who dont give a damn about coaching or teaching, home for the summer, trying to make a buck. ss puppets

What is wrong with college student-athletes earning summer money by training younger lacrosse players? Your assertion that "they don't give a damn" paints everyone with same misguided brush. Honestly, BOTC just does not understand the ax you are grinding here. If their camp is not your cup of tea, place your bets with another organization.

Most camps run by colleges have college athletes working them... in all sports!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously cage , you have some adult on here following youth (6-7) grade claiming his kids are out of college and you do not see some issue with that.

Since when did we make a rule suggesting that parents of post-college graduate students are not permitted to be part of the lacrosse community? How many US Lacrosse Members right now remain active to stay in touch with the sport though their playing, coaching, and lacrosse parenting days are over?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but the politics of money has clearly out weighed what is best for the kids in this case and anyone who was looking forward to having a proven college coach help their daughter become a better lacrosse player knows this

Perhaps we are missing your point, but lacrosse training just like any youth sport will be largely driven by income derived from providing the service. Hence, money drives the ship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes both YJ and TG parents know that they are willing to compromise when trying to find what is best for their kids lacrosse wise and that is pathetic, they should not have to in fear of repercussions.

What compromise is being made? Play with the Yellow Jackets, play with Top Guns, play with any other club that feels like it is providing value for your family and student-athlete. As for fear, any parent that is running in fear of a lacrosse club program, director, and other team member is not doing their parenting job. What fear is involved? My kid won't make such and such club team - go to another club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Even more pathetic some a-hole claiming his wife died while he goes after someone else's wife and you post it.Yes you will edit this post or ban me from future posts because of what has been written bt it is a chance I am willing to take.

Whether or not that post was valid, BOTC stepped in at that point to end this line of conversation. Yet, we allowed your persepctive to be heard although we are not clear on what you were trying to communicate.

Everyone go back to your YJ thread now, the train wreck is over!

Just wait a day or two for the next train wreck. It is more of an ongoing wreck with these threads. There seems to be an inverse relationship. The bigger the club the bigger the trainwrecks. YJ's a big club with one trainwreck after the other on the threads, TG next , liberty and so on...... I guess the bigger the club the more people you have posting and the easier it is to keep your anonymous comments. I will note however that it does seem to be mostly yj parents stirring up with all the other clubs threads.

true that

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously cage , you have some adult on here following youth (6-7) grade claiming his kids are out of college and you do not see some issue with that.

Since when did we make a rule suggesting that parents of post-college graduate students are not permitted to be part of the lacrosse community? How many US Lacrosse Members right now remain active to stay in touch with the sport though their playing, coaching, and lacrosse parenting days are over?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but the politics of money has clearly out weighed what is best for the kids in this case and anyone who was looking forward to having a proven college coach help their daughter become a better lacrosse player knows this

Perhaps we are missing your point, but lacrosse training just like any youth sport will be largely driven by income derived from providing the service. Hence, money drives the ship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes both YJ and TG parents know that they are willing to compromise when trying to find what is best for their kids lacrosse wise and that is pathetic, they should not have to in fear of repercussions.

What compromise is being made? Play with the Yellow Jackets, play with Top Guns, play with any other club that feels like it is providing value for your family and student-athlete. As for fear, any parent that is running in fear of a lacrosse club program, director, and other team member is not doing their parenting job. What fear is involved? My kid won't make such and such club team - go to another club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Even more pathetic some a-hole claiming his wife died while he goes after someone else's wife and you post it.Yes you will edit this post or ban me from future posts because of what has been written bt it is a chance I am willing to take.

Whether or not that post was valid, BOTC stepped in at that point to end this line of conversation. Yet, we allowed your persepctive to be heard although we are not clear on what you were trying to communicate.

Everyone go back to your YJ thread now, the train wreck is over!

Just wait a day or two for the next train wreck. It is more of an ongoing wreck with these threads. There seems to be an inverse relationship. The bigger the club the bigger the trainwrecks. YJ's a big club with one trainwreck after the other on the threads, TG next , liberty and so on...... I guess the bigger the club the more people you have posting and the easier it is to keep your anonymous comments. I will note however that it does seem to be mostly yj parents stirring up with all the other clubs threads.

true that

If thats what you need to believe!!!

For those who attended the clininc this past Sunday, can you give us an honest opinion about how you feel it was run. How does it differ from other clinics? Thanks

Could you clarify? What particular clinic are you referring to? Was it a Top Guns ones that I very well may have missed the ball on. Thanks very much!

Maybe he was referring to the top secret invite only clinic with the Stony brook Coach??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe he was referring to the top secret invite only clinic with the Stony brook Coach??

Cant be I thought orders had come down not to attend.

Orders from? Assumed it was a TG clinic since so many were there. There must be more to this with other perspectives. There always is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe he was referring to the top secret invite only clinic with the Stony brook Coach??

Cant be I thought orders had come down not to attend.

not orders, just starting in two weeks you have to choice TG practices or the SB clinics. It was never imaginary

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For those who attended the clininc this past Sunday, can you give us an honest opinion about how you feel it was run. How does it differ from other clinics? Thanks

My daughter, a YJ player, was in attendance and both of us thought it was great. I stayed and watched most of it and the talent level was better than most of the camps or clinics she's attended. They did drills that she's never done before and the SB coaches and players were very instructional throughout. I'm not exactly sure what age groups are down there, but I know 2019's and 2018's were there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe he was referring to the top secret invite only clinic with the Stony brook Coach??

Yeah and all the kids were given secret decoder rings and told not to show them to BS or SS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe he was referring to the top secret invite only clinic with the Stony brook Coach??

Yeah and all the kids were given secret decoder rings and told not to show them to BS or SS.

If I were the directors of a club I would be happy seeing many of my players going above and beyond to make themselves better. All the good players are doing this out of club anyway. I have my girls doing as many varied and diverse camps and clinics as they can. Happy to have them make new friends and see many perspectives in training. Instead of looking at Spinella as a tie to the YJ's, maybe he smarter than you are all giving him credit for, maybe he is growing ties with yet another strong long island club to feed into his recruiting efforts. Next thing you know he will be at a TG event talking up SB.

We do not go to many camps because we find them to be over-rated and a waste of money but we thought the first Stony Brook clinic was very good. The instruction was very good, the atmosphere was very positive and the overall experience was great. There were only about 25 girls at this first session. It appears that it is open to players in the 2019 - 2018 age. Overall skill level was above average. I think anyone is welcome to attend - it is an open invite.

Is this info posted anywhere?? When is the next one, what time , what field, what ages.. etc..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this info posted anywhere?? When is the next one, what time , what field, what ages.. etc..

I was contacted through word of mouth two different times. First from a friend on YJ's then from a friend on TG's. I have read here that many TG girls have shown up but I'm pretty sure its open to all clubs/players. There was an information digital flyer with the email. I do think they were trying to keep it to higher skill level travel girls. Not to sound bias, but having all higher level girls at a clinic like this, they do much more advanced things at a high rate so the girls get much more out of it. There are many camps out there for all levels and even the large camps they use this strategy where they break the girls up into skill level groups to work on different things. That being said, I do not think this clinic is suitable for all. I'm sure there are many girls well suited who didn't get word. Just like everywhere else in life, it's who you know and what connection through networking you have. Tons of lax stuff happening all over the place, been included and excluded on all kinds of stuff. Don't sweat it, just find the right opportunities for your daughter.

every time my daughter has been at a just for girls lax camp it is loaded with yellow jacket coaches/tents/players...and every time the coaches daughter is the camper of the day/week!!! unbelievable...we stopped going...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

every time my daughter has been at a just for girls lax camp it is loaded with yellow jacket coaches/tents/players...and every time the coaches daughter is the camper of the day/week!!! unbelievable...we stopped going...

Maybe your kid does not deserve camper of the week or day.Hopefully your kid didn't catch anything from all those dirty YJ kids. Lol.Been to the camp 2 years now and plan on going back.Well organized ,close, descent instruction , kids enjoyed it and most importantly my kid was one of the campers of the week last year so she has to go back to defend her title. The funny thing is I personally know many TG kids who were selected for camper of the day so even many TG families know your full of bs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

every time my daughter has been at a just for girls lax camp it is loaded with yellow jacket coaches/tents/players...and every time the coaches daughter is the camper of the day/week!!! unbelievable...we stopped going...

Spoken like a true Psycho TG Dad. I�d guess you�re one of those guys that are into stacking his town tournament team with TG kids that don�t play for the town. Rumor has it that this is also being done at the PAL level on Sundays, which is pretty sad if it�s true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

every time my daughter has been at a just for girls lax camp it is loaded with yellow jacket coaches/tents/players...and every time the coaches daughter is the camper of the day/week!!! unbelievable...we stopped going...

Spoken like a true Psycho TG Dad. I�d guess you�re one of those guys that are into stacking his town tournament team with TG kids that don�t play for the town. Rumor has it that this is also being done at the PAL level on Sundays, which is pretty sad if it�s true.

which PAL Nassau or Suffolk

SCGL should take a look out east, got a town program out there who have kids playing on multiple town teams. You have kids who pay to play but sit on the side line while the coach gets kids off other teams within the town to play, and play like ball hogs.Both the coach and the parents of these kids should be ashamed but they are so delusional thinking that their kids are the saviors for these teams. Let the kids on the roster play ,win or lose there is no reason to bring other kids in. They are not the only team doing this and the league needs to be proactive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SCGL should take a look out east, got a town program out there who have kids playing on multiple town teams. You have kids who pay to play but sit on the side line while the coach gets kids off other teams within the town to play, and play like ball hogs.Both the coach and the parents of these kids should be ashamed but they are so delusional thinking that their kids are the saviors for these teams. Let the kids on the roster play ,win or lose there is no reason to bring other kids in. They are not the only team doing this and the league needs to be proactive.

There is a simple solution...Bring this to the attention of the Youth Lacrosse Club Director or President and have them put a stop to it. If that doesn't work notify the League. The club doing this will be told to stop.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SCGL should take a look out east, got a town program out there who have kids playing on multiple town teams. You have kids who pay to play but sit on the side line while the coach gets kids off other teams within the town to play, and play like ball hogs.Both the coach and the parents of these kids should be ashamed but they are so delusional thinking that their kids are the saviors for these teams. Let the kids on the roster play ,win or lose there is no reason to bring other kids in. They are not the only team doing this and the league needs to be proactive.

They�re also bringing in TG kids from other town teams. I guess they�re that desperate to win.

IMHO this depends on the grade and the quantity of girls on the team.

2nd thru 4th:
I could see where a town having just enough girls to field two teams borrow players from the same town's "other" team. I can see doing this so they can have enough girls to field 16 girls (two sub lines at middie).

This would benefit all girls. Why, because if the town only fielded one team (with all of the girls) the girls would barley see the field.

5th thru 7/8th:
Question the motives but if for the same reasons as above (I don't think that is what you are insinuating) if not the same as above why not just speak to the coach for your daughter to possibly get more time on the field.

It is an instructional league and the SCGL rules do say all players should play 1/2 the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SCGL should take a look out east, got a town program out there who have kids playing on multiple town teams. You have kids who pay to play but sit on the side line while the coach gets kids off other teams within the town to play, and play like ball hogs.Both the coach and the parents of these kids should be ashamed but they are so delusional thinking that their kids are the saviors for these teams. Let the kids on the roster play ,win or lose there is no reason to bring other kids in. They are not the only team doing this and the league needs to be proactive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SCGL should take a look out east, got a town program out there who have kids playing on multiple town teams. You have kids who pay to play but sit on the side line while the coach gets kids off other teams within the town to play, and play like ball hogs.Both the coach and the parents of these kids should be ashamed but they are so delusional thinking that their kids are the saviors for these teams. Let the kids on the roster play ,win or lose there is no reason to bring other kids in. They are not the only team doing this and the league needs to be proactive.

There is a simple solution...Bring this to the attention of the Youth Lacrosse Club Director or President and have them put a stop to it. If that doesn't work notify the League. The club doing this will be told to stop.

Its not a club doing this.clubs have nothing to do at all with pal teams. It is coaches and parents doing it and sad to say it happens all over with kids from other age groups and even non club kids, some bring inter town kids in from other age groups (up is ok). Asking PAL to tell club how or what to do is a joke, one has nothing to do with the other. Until a strong backbone league comes along requiring refs checking player card issued off a birth certificate, this will never be controlled. SCGL is a miilion miles away from being strong enough or organized enough to enforce this, plus its all over in 7 or 8th grade and in many cases earlier than that, so is it even worth it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SCGL should take a look out east, got a town program out there who have kids playing on multiple town teams. You have kids who pay to play but sit on the side line while the coach gets kids off other teams within the town to play, and play like ball hogs.Both the coach and the parents of these kids should be ashamed but they are so delusional thinking that their kids are the saviors for these teams. Let the kids on the roster play ,win or lose there is no reason to bring other kids in. They are not the only team doing this and the league needs to be proactive.

What town and what age group?

ok agree with u 100 percent ,but what if that kid has no town team regardless if they are tg or a yj they just need somewhere to play.

did you see what spallina did with stony brook this year, #6 in the country, highest ranking of a Long Island team ever, 13 - 2 record, only loses florida and maryland. should be coach of the year hands down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SCGL should take a look out east, got a town program out there who have kids playing on multiple town teams. You have kids who pay to play but sit on the side line while the coach gets kids off other teams within the town to play, and play like ball hogs.Both the coach and the parents of these kids should be ashamed but they are so delusional thinking that their kids are the saviors for these teams. Let the kids on the roster play ,win or lose there is no reason to bring other kids in. They are not the only team doing this and the league needs to be proactive.

What town and what age group?

It�s pretty lame to bring in ringers at any level, but to do it at the PAL level is pretty sad. I�m sure these coaches go home and thump their chests after each win and convince themselves that they�re doing the right thing. This is why I think the school coaches should play a bigger role in town ball (boy and girls). The reality is most of these kids are the future of the school�s athletic program and by letting kids from out of the district play just because they�re studs, takes away from developing a formidable school team for the future. It�s also not fair to the kid that works hard and comes down to every practice, only to lose playing time because some Psycho daddy wants to win. If you�re a parent who sees this happening on your team, you should tell the coach to end it now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SCGL should take a look out east, got a town program out there who have kids playing on multiple town teams. You have kids who pay to play but sit on the side line while the coach gets kids off other teams within the town to play, and play like ball hogs.Both the coach and the parents of these kids should be ashamed but they are so delusional thinking that their kids are the saviors for these teams. Let the kids on the roster play ,win or lose there is no reason to bring other kids in. They are not the only team doing this and the league needs to be proactive.

They�re also bringing in TG kids from other town teams. I guess they�re that desperate to win.

I Heard an YJ mom going on about this last week. Are you sure this has nothing to do with the fact the TG kids are involved?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SCGL should take a look out east, got a town program out there who have kids playing on multiple town teams. You have kids who pay to play but sit on the side line while the coach gets kids off other teams within the town to play, and play like ball hogs.Both the coach and the parents of these kids should be ashamed but they are so delusional thinking that their kids are the saviors for these teams. Let the kids on the roster play ,win or lose there is no reason to bring other kids in. They are not the only team doing this and the league needs to be proactive.

There is a simple solution...Bring this to the attention of the Youth Lacrosse Club Director or President and have them put a stop to it. If that doesn't work notify the League. The club doing this will be told to stop.

Its not a club doing this.clubs have nothing to do at all with pal teams. It is coaches and parents doing it and sad to say it happens all over with kids from other age groups and even non club kids, some bring inter town kids in from other age groups (up is ok). Asking PAL to tell club how or what to do is a joke, one has nothing to do with the other. Until a strong backbone league comes along requiring refs checking player card issued off a birth certificate, this will never be controlled. SCGL is a miilion miles away from being strong enough or organized enough to enforce this, plus its all over in 7 or 8th grade and in many cases earlier than that, so is it even worth it.

When I said club i meant the town lacrosse club not a travel pay to play organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SCGL should take a look out east, got a town program out there who have kids playing on multiple town teams. You have kids who pay to play but sit on the side line while the coach gets kids off other teams within the town to play, and play like ball hogs.Both the coach and the parents of these kids should be ashamed but they are so delusional thinking that their kids are the saviors for these teams. Let the kids on the roster play ,win or lose there is no reason to bring other kids in. They are not the only team doing this and the league needs to be proactive.

That's some allegation. Which town? It's been asked before and with no response we will assume it's just an attempt to stir the pot!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

did you see what spallina did with stony brook this year, #6 in the country, highest ranking of a Long Island team ever, 13 - 2 record, only loses florida and maryland. should be coach of the year hands down.

Did you also see the schedule? Many "phone in" games to say the least. Wonder what the record would be with a top D-1 schedule. Just saying.

Who cares....its PAL !!!!!!! many girls play on different teams. Some towns dont field enough girls for a team etc!! Let them play. Players play, coaches coach and PARENTS should watch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares....its PAL !!!!!!! many girls play on different teams. Some towns dont field enough girls for a team etc!! Let them play. Players play, coaches coach and PARENTS should watch.

Very ignorant thing to say. Who cares , the kid that joined pal and now sits on the bench watching kids play who did not even pay because some coach wants to win a pal game. I really do not care if some kid from a neighboring town wants to play for whatever reason so long as they go thru the correct process ie get release from their program and are on the roster. They should however play on only one pal team .

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

did you see what spallina did with stony brook this year, #6 in the country, highest ranking of a Long Island team ever, 13 - 2 record, only loses florida and maryland. should be coach of the year hands down.

Did you also see the schedule? Many "phone in" games to say the least. Wonder what the record would be with a top D-1 schedule. Just saying.

You must be a very negative person, you cannot even find something positive to say about an up and coming local D1 program that is full of long island talent. Pathetic, just saying.

why are they ranked # 6 then. he was great at adelphi and even better at di stony brook

PAL requires that the girls receive a minimum amount of playing time. Even with 20 girls on a team you can have 2 goalies and 2 lines each of attack, midfield and defense. With the younger girls they are huffing a puffing after a few min and most coaches swap out the entire unit. I find it hard to believe that girls sre not playing at all and sitting on the bench watching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SCGL should take a look out east, got a town program out there who have kids playing on multiple town teams. You have kids who pay to play but sit on the side line while the coach gets kids off other teams within the town to play, and play like ball hogs.Both the coach and the parents of these kids should be ashamed but they are so delusional thinking that their kids are the saviors for these teams. Let the kids on the roster play ,win or lose there is no reason to bring other kids in. They are not the only team doing this and the league needs to be proactive.

What town and what age group?

It�s pretty lame to bring in ringers at any level, but to do it at the PAL level is pretty sad. I�m sure these coaches go home and thump their chests after each win and convince themselves that they�re doing the right thing. This is why I think the school coaches should play a bigger role in town ball (boy and girls). The reality is most of these kids are the future of the school�s athletic program and by letting kids from out of the district play just because they�re studs, takes away from developing a formidable school team for the future. It�s also not fair to the kid that works hard and comes down to every practice, only to lose playing time because some Psycho daddy wants to win. If you�re a parent who sees this happening on your team, you should tell the coach to end it now.

Let the school coach take a bigger role; may work in districts like WI,NP,WM. But; in districts such as Longwood, etc; that will not work at all.

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SCGL should take a look out east, got a town program out there who have kids playing on multiple town teams. You have kids who pay to play but sit on the side line while the coach gets kids off other teams within the town to play, and play like ball hogs.Both the coach and the parents of these kids should be ashamed but they are so delusional thinking that their kids are the saviors for these teams. Let the kids on the roster play ,win or lose there is no reason to bring other kids in. They are not the only team doing this and the league needs to be proactive.

That's some allegation. Which town? It's been asked before and with no response we will assume it's just an attempt to stir the pot!

Steppin , which town are you from?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SCGL should take a look out east, got a town program out there who have kids playing on multiple town teams. You have kids who pay to play but sit on the side line while the coach gets kids off other teams within the town to play, and play like ball hogs.Both the coach and the parents of these kids should be ashamed but they are so delusional thinking that their kids are the saviors for these teams. Let the kids on the roster play ,win or lose there is no reason to bring other kids in. They are not the only team doing this and the league needs to be proactive.

That's some allegation. Which town? It's been asked before and with no response we will assume it's just an attempt to stir the pot!

Steppin , which town are you from?

Well mr/mrs anonymous, I simply asked which town the issues were taking place in and not the posters address. Since I don't make claims I can't or won't back up it seems unnecessary to announce where I live. Now that that's cleared up do you know the town you or the poster was referring to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

did you see what spallina did with stony brook this year, #6 in the country, highest ranking of a Long Island team ever, 13 - 2 record, only loses florida and maryland. should be coach of the year hands down.

Did you also see the schedule? Many "phone in" games to say the least. Wonder what the record would be with a top D-1 schedule. Just saying.

You must be a very negative person, you cannot even find something positive to say about an up and coming local D1 program that is full of long island talent. Pathetic, just saying.

I'm sorry if my post offended you but the fact is Stony Brook plays a lower tier D1 schedule. Their two games against ranked D1 teams (Maryland and Florida) were losses. I love the fact that they are doing good but think the #6 ranking is a bit high considering their strength of schedule. I certainly don't think my comments are pathetic as you stated and I welcome a discussion and your point of view. Here is the latest D1 rankings. How many are on SBs schedule? http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-women/d1
If you are unsure here is the link to their schedule. http://www.goseawolves.org/sports/w-lacros/sched/ston-w-lacros-sched.html

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

did you see what spallina did with stony brook this year, #6 in the country, highest ranking of a Long Island team ever, 13 - 2 record, only loses florida and maryland. should be coach of the year hands down.

Did you also see the schedule? Many "phone in" games to say the least. Wonder what the record would be with a top D-1 schedule. Just saying.

You must be a very negative person, you cannot even find something positive to say about an up and coming local D1 program that is full of long island talent. Pathetic, just saying.

For example Loyola has played 10 opponents ranked in the top 20 compared to Stony Brooks 2 ranked opponents. Loyola is ranked #12 as opposed to SBs #10. Is that ranking justified given the strength of schedule? Thoughts anyone?

give credit where credit due, he did an amazing job at SBU, as well as being the best d2 coach in the country for 5 years prior.

if they lose then they can knock them down, until then leave them alone. you cant get punished for winning

Originally Posted by Anonymous

give credit where credit due, he did an amazing job at SBU, as well as being the best d2 coach in the country for 5 years prior.

Agreed. However how do you feel about their ranking given their strength of schedule?

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

give credit where credit due, he did an amazing job at SBU, as well as being the best d2 coach in the country for 5 years prior.

Agreed. However how do you feel about their ranking given their strength of schedule?

I feel great about it because I support the local lacrosse teams, and taking their record into account as compared to the school with 7 loses that you use in your example it seems fair.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

give credit where credit due, he did an amazing job at SBU, as well as being the best d2 coach in the country for 5 years prior.

Agreed. However how do you feel about their ranking given their strength of schedule?

I feel great about it because I support the local lacrosse teams, and taking their record into account as compared to the school with 7 loses that you use in your example it seems fair.

There's a college forum, why don't you take this converation over there?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

give credit where credit due, he did an amazing job at SBU, as well as being the best d2 coach in the country for 5 years prior.

Agreed. However how do you feel about their ranking given their strength of schedule?

I feel great about it because I support the local lacrosse teams, and taking their record into account as compared to the school with 7 loses that you use in your example it seems fair.

I see...not sure I agree they should be ranked so high but SB is having a good year and hopefully then continue far into the playoffs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Steppin'Out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

give credit where credit due, he did an amazing job at SBU, as well as being the best d2 coach in the country for 5 years prior.

Agreed. However how do you feel about their ranking given their strength of schedule?

I feel great about it because I support the local lacrosse teams, and taking their record into account as compared to the school with 7 loses that you use in your example it seems fair.

It all depends how you look at it, yeah 7 losses to top 20 teams, but 3 wins compared to 0 wins against top 20 for SB. Had they played 8 more games they might have some wins against top 20s. I like the Seawolves and root for them, they did a nice job this year and last, but yes that ranking seems way off base. It is hard to tell where they stand among the top 20 when every win they have is non ranked teams and every loss is against ranked.

What does this have to do with Top Guns. Cmon' Sage, end this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does this have to do with Top Guns. Cmon' Sage, end this.

Let's continue the Stony Brook WLAX conversation on the College Forum. There is a thread covering their final season's game and the preview of their Friday night America East semifinal match.

I wanted to make a comment about a 6th grade town team game against middle country and esm. I am not bashing top guns as I respect the organization. I have a problem with the parents who have daughters on that team that play for top guns. Please remember the word parents as I am referring to their conduct towards 11 year old children. Middle country has a true a team with most girls playing travel and they have many good players. ESM is made up of girls with all ability levels with two experienced travel players and three that just started travel. The other 11 are seasonal players who only play in the spring We were put in an a division which we knew we shouldn't be in but that wasn't our choice. During this game the coach thought it appropriate to laugh at one of the ESM players while she was caught in a monkey in the middle situation. He also thought it appropriate to send his player to run the perimeter of the field. While this happened the MC parents had no problem making fun of these girls as they played. Comments from these parents were heard by the girls. in the last 10 minutes of the game MC decided that they would stall the ball. We went there to play knowing it was going to be a tough game. Out of concern for the children and their emotional well being, the esm coach pulled the girls from the field. Showing their true selves, the MC top guns parents began to yell out to these 11 year old girls that they are quiters and babies. They also were making the choking sign to the girls. Do you think that they didn't see or hear you? Well all 16 girls did hear and you should be ashamed. You are adults and parents. Start acting like it. This may be a difficult goal but try to be a positive role model for all children. I am lucky enough to have a daughter that will rise above the ashes but this is not the case for all. This post is for them. This was a town league game, not travel and there was no title or championsip at stake. We all know words hurt and to come from an adult is worse. Again I apologize to all those top gun parents not involved in this situation. I do feel it warranted that others are made aware of these unconscionable actions. Good luck with the remainder of town league and for the summer ahead.

Sorry to hear about the above incident, although I have seen some of this BS in other sports and age groups.. Soccer comes to mind. I think as parents we are our own worst enemies sometimes. I recall soccer having a "Players Weekend" where the parents and coaches were asked not to comment or shout out during games.. How embarrassing is that, that the league needs to tell us to shut up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to hear about the above incident, although I have seen some of this BS in other sports and age groups.. Soccer comes to mind. I think as parents we are our own worst enemies sometimes. I recall soccer having a "Players Weekend" where the parents and coaches were asked not to comment or shout out during games.. How embarrassing is that, that the league needs to tell us to shut up

As a Middle Country parent I feel bad for how my town is being portrayed. We have worked hard to make our program relevant. Unfortunately there will always be parents who act childish. I know that I tell my kids to always respect your opponent on and off the field. Class goes a long way. I Wasn't there and I am sure there are two sides to this story. I am also sure this happens in many towns at many levels of sports. Hopefully if anything it will be a wake up call to any parents who feel the need to act like idiots.

I�m truly appalled to hear of this behavior and you are completely right in that these are young girls, out to play on a town team and have fun. Sports are not supposed to humiliate and belittle, nor are any upstanding adults supposed to engage in same either. Although not there to see it first hand, it is heart breaking to know any child was broken down so adults could feel better about themselves.

Although some may have been TG parents, I would encourage you to not paint all assocaited with the team or even the MC towns, with the same broad stroke as many of us stand with you and your sentiments and do in fact believe that girls and well-being come first.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wanted to make a comment about a 6th grade town team game against middle country and esm. I am not bashing top guns as I respect the organization. I have a problem with the parents who have daughters on that team that play for top guns. Please remember the word parents as I am referring to their conduct towards 11 year old children. Middle country has a true a team with most girls playing travel and they have many good players. ESM is made up of girls with all ability levels with two experienced travel players and three that just started travel. The other 11 are seasonal players who only play in the spring We were put in an a division which we knew we shouldn't be in but that wasn't our choice. During this game the coach thought it appropriate to laugh at one of the ESM players while she was caught in a monkey in the middle situation. He also thought it appropriate to send his player to run the perimeter of the field. While this happened the MC parents had no problem making fun of these girls as they played. Comments from these parents were heard by the girls. in the last 10 minutes of the game MC decided that they would stall the ball. We went there to play knowing it was going to be a tough game. Out of concern for the children and their emotional well being, the esm coach pulled the girls from the field. Showing their true selves, the MC top guns parents began to yell out to these 11 year old girls that they are quiters and babies. They also were making the choking sign to the girls. Do you think that they didn't see or hear you? Well all 16 girls did hear and you should be ashamed. You are adults and parents. Start acting like it. This may be a difficult goal but try to be a positive role model for all children. I am lucky enough to have a daughter that will rise above the ashes but this is not the case for all. This post is for them. This was a town league game, not travel and there was no title or championsip at stake. We all know words hurt and to come from an adult is worse. Again I apologize to all those top gun parents not involved in this situation. I do feel it warranted that others are made aware of these unconscionable actions. Good luck with the remainder of town league and for the summer ahead.

That's more than a comment. I agree with you that nobody should behave this way. You did a nice job to pinpoint exact team, age group etc so people famiilar should know exactly who you are talking about. The unfortunate part is, if everyone came on here to air out foolish behavior on the lacrosse sidelines, every thread would have thousands of complaints every weekend.

I have seen the middle country team many times .Their 6 th grade coach should be ashamed of himself .If they think they have a tuff game coming they actually bring in kids from other towns ( yes TG players) who are not on their roster to play.They will not come on here and deny it because if they do I will send pictures to the league proving it. No I did not report this to the league because I honestly could not care less who wins scgl games and in the end would just hurt the girls who just want to play.That being said they use the stall method all the time, if they have a lead they stall for 15 minutes at times which is such a cheesy thing to do when there is no stick checking and the refs are bad enough that they never call 3 seconds for closely guarded.It's not the NCAA or even varsity but their coach thinks he is some sort of lacrosse guru when in reality he is a complete tool taking advantage of scgl rules.

Actually was at that game my friends daughter is on that team, my girlsplay for a different league,but let me tell uyou it is that ESM coach that should be ashamed of herself those girls ESM where working there butts off and because she threw a temp. tantrum she pulled the girls off. The game was not going ESM way but they made some goals now the stuff about tg I have no idea but sounds like just bad sportsmenship and the ESM girls should hold there heads up high and shame on that coach

As you are correct if everyone complained about this type of behavior these boards would be filled with complaints, but in saying that, it seems that this particular MC team and coach has had a lot of complaints from different parents at different venues. Maybe these coaches shouldn't be coaching youth sports. It seems that they have to win at all costs, and as for parents acting so inappropriately towards children....they should be embarrassed. ESM coach should be applauded for pulling her team, who wants to ridiculed by parents and coaches from an oppossing team....shame on you, if you think you are winners, you are wrong, in most peoples eyes, you are losers.

Funny how one of the craziest coaches who has been red carded several times and fights at almost every game her team plays, should be applauded. She pulled those girls out of her own frustration and not to protect the girls on the team. She thinks her daughter is a superstar who can win every game for her and when it doesnt happen she loses control. The referee told the girls and the coaches of Middle Country that they were not at at all to blame that they were 100% in the right and that the coach of ESM was entirely to blame. All stories have two sides and if any reasonable adult thinks a bunch of parents were yelling directly at children and giving them the choke sign, maybe it's you who need your heads examined. It didn't happen!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny how one of the craziest coaches who has been red carded several times and fights at almost every game her team plays, should be applauded. She pulled those girls out of her own frustration and not to protect the girls on the team. She thinks her daughter is a superstar who can win every game for her and when it doesnt happen she loses control. The referee told the girls and the coaches of Middle Country that they were not at at all to blame that they were 100% in the right and that the coach of ESM was entirely to blame. All stories have two sides and if any reasonable adult thinks a bunch of parents were yelling directly at children and giving them the choke sign, maybe it's you who need your heads examined. It didn't happen!

I've seen both those coaches in action and you are correct about the ESM coach from what I saw (to a T your description fits), but I also have seen the same from MC coach too, and his own daughter. Perfect match. Surely must have been embarrassing for all those in attendance. Not good. unfortunately there are a few more out there like them.

Cage....please send discussion to SCGYL league. Only a handful of girls from Top Guns, not entire team and discussion is now on both town teams. Does not belong here. All town teams have travel players on them, should we post on YJ, Team Elevate, Beach bums etc. every time we have problem with town team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cage....please send discussion to SCGYL league. Only a handful of girls from Top Guns, not entire team and discussion is now on both town teams. Does not belong here. All town teams have travel players on them, should we post on YJ, Team Elevate, Beach bums etc. every time we have problem with town team?

Who are you? Why is BOTC sending this conversation to any league?

You want to bring it to their attention? Come out from behind the shadows, copy the posts, and send it to them in your own name.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny how one of the craziest coaches who has been red carded several times and fights at almost every game her team plays, should be applauded. She pulled those girls out of her own frustration and not to protect the girls on the team. She thinks her daughter is a superstar who can win every game for her and when it doesnt happen she loses control. The referee told the girls and the coaches of Middle Country that they were not at at all to blame that they were 100% in the right and that the coach of ESM was entirely to blame. All stories have two sides and if any reasonable adult thinks a bunch of parents were yelling directly at children and giving them the choke sign, maybe it's you who need your heads examined. It didn't happen!

I've seen both those coaches in action and you are correct about the ESM coach from what I saw (to a T your description fits), but I also have seen the same from MC coach too, and his own daughter. Perfect match. Surely must have been embarrassing for all those in attendance. Not good. unfortunately there are a few more out there like them.

Not sure if its the same woman but we played what was the esm 6th grade last year and the coach was out of her mind, walked away telling myself I'm glad my daughter doesn't play for a person like that. So a year later that same team I figure would be in 7th 8th grade division, so maybe it is not her, in which case would mean that esm has several years of crazy mom coaches if its not the same person.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cage....please send discussion to SCGYL league. Only a handful of girls from Top Guns, not entire team and discussion is now on both town teams. Does not belong here. All town teams have travel players on them, should we post on YJ, Team Elevate, Beach bums etc. every time we have problem with town team?

Who are you? Why is BOTC sending this conversation to any league?

You want to bring it to their attention? Come out from behind the shadows, copy the posts, and send it to them in your own name.

Relax...meant send it to discussion board for suffolk county girls town teams, not to league itself. End topic on this message board. Misworded post. The discussion does not belong on a top guns message board. I am a parent of a player who comes on here to check for updates not to read about town teams, otherwise I would go to that discussion board. I am not hiding behind anything, and didn't think post was so offensive.

Same middle country team that had some spoiled kid showing the ref up at shamrock while the coaches were laughing. Probably the worst sportsmanship I have ever seen from a 6 th grader.Sounds like that coach is teaching some great life lessons over there. Win at all costs, show no respect to those in charge, cheat when you can,,Nice

There youth program translates well to the Varsity level. Middle of the pack!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There youth program translates well to the Varsity level. Middle of the pack!

Definitely not middle of pack look at their record and the teams they play. Why do you have to bash the hard working girls who play varsity because of one coach who had nothing to do with the program and some top gun parents?

You were obviously not at the game. My daughter plays for ESM and I was very happy with our coaches decision . She does not think her daughter is a superstar just a very hard worker and all the girls are treated with respect and she expects nothing less from an opposing coach and parents.

Please both the ESM and middle country coaches are off the deep end. The ESM coach thinks her kid is the greatest gift to youth lacrosse and the kids dad is obnoxious from the sideline praising evey move his kid makes, even when she makes a mistake he is impressed and let's everyone know it. The middle country coach thinks he is the greatest gift to youth lacrosse and is willing to do whatever it takes to win, problem is the parents of kids on his team obviously know he cheats especially when he brings in outside help to win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You were obviously not at the game. My daughter plays for ESM and I was very happy with our coaches decision . She does not think her daughter is a superstar just a very hard worker and all the girls are treated with respect and she expects nothing less from an opposing coach and parents.

why would the ref tell the middle country players and coaches that it wasnt their fault and that it was esm's coaches fault if she was such an angel. the things she was saying on the sideline were despicable and the ref warned her several times that there was no place for the things she was saying. i'd put it on here but it's inappropriate. all of this done in front of the girls from middle country and her own players. trying to put a halo on her horns is going to be a tough thing to do.

I recently spoke with a YJ parent, who told me that the coaches from the MC 6th grade team (she calls them the TG Psycho daddies) have a strong dislike for the YJ program and anyone who is affiliated with it. The ESM coach who quit the game last Sunday is a YJ parent, so maybe that is why this turned so ugly. From what�s been described in this thread, I think the behavior of both the ESM and MC coaches was terrible and feel they should not be allowed to coach SCGYL lacrosse anymore. My biggest concern is that this is going to boil over at one point and someone�s going to get into a fight. It�s people like this who take the fun out of the game. Its 6th grade girls Lax folks, relax. One more thought. Since the MC coaches like to bring in TG kids from other districts, maybe SCGYL should have the refs check their roster this weekend.

You have no idea what your talking about. ESM is a very weak team that was getting beat pretty bad just like their prior 4 games and the team played until the end and held their heads high. So frustration, I don't think so... how about utter disgust for the MC coaches behavior. Unfortunately I was sitting with the MC parents behind the coaches . The parents were taunting the ESM coach while the MC coach was bullying her and she stood up to him by saying don't encourage your girls to play like boys lacrosse. Never once did the refs speak to either coach. Get your facts straight. Sounds to me your jealous of ESM coach and her daughter.. the "superstar" get your facts straight.

Unfortunately, some of these MC kid�s play winter ball with Mt Sinai, so we know what you�re talking about when you mention obnoxious parents.

I find it hard to believe that the MC parents were going after the kids of ESM w comments etc. as many of them are good people and I do not think they would tolerate such behavior.That being said the coach is out of control and it seems this coach and team have been called out on this site far too many times by multiple people ,where there is smoke there is fire.I have also witnessed what I would say is a hatred ,for lack of a better term,of YJ by many TG parents and players in this age group. While many YJ parents and players seem to dislike TG I have seen kids from TG in this age group being openly hostile toward YJ .I cannot say some of the animosity is not earned by some YJ parents and parent coaches who also can be obnoxious but the hostility these TG kids seem to have has to be fed into by some of the parents.Parents it's 6th grade lacrosse ,stop acting as if the outcome of these games are going to have some major impact on your kids futures or are a reflection of your coaching ability.

I actually can not believe for one minute that any of you who speak like this are parents of young girls wonder why our world is so messed up. It is disgusting to think I have to stand on the side lines with these people. You should all take a serios look at why you do this I feel it is for all the wrong reasons

Who cares about any of this and what does this have to do with Top Guns?

I wish people would just leave out the TG or the YJ when they are talking about this stuff. TG and YJ has nothing to do with parents acting like Aholes. I am a TG Parent (that's why I'm on this thread), and I know plenty of good and bad parents on both teams (not to mention other teams). My daughter is a great player, her friends from YJ's are great players. Competition is great and builds character. LAX is a passion for me now. Relax, it's only a game. Make sure your daughters grow up to be happy and healthy.

I know people will turn this post and others negative but I'm not going to reply after this.

Can we get back to complaining about Sunday practices and uniforms please ? Whats wrong with you people!!

Both programs should be banned from playing in SCGYL to send a message that this type of behavior from both parents and coaches will not be tolerated. These people are an embarrassment to LI girl�s lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we get back to complaining about Sunday practices and uniforms please ? Whats wrong with you people!!

I agree, lets bash PM, CR, SS or BS.

I was responsible for posting the original comment.about that town game. As a parent I thought it my obligation to protect those who are unable to protect themselves. I do not believe this to be a top gun issue but it should be brought to the attention of all that know them. I know these things were said and done. The hurtful laughter and words may not have been intended for the children, but it was said anyway. The girls were about 25 feet away from the parents who made these remarks. There are no excuses for that behavior. We all are responsible to protect children even if they are not our own. I will help any child in need regardless of what team they play for. Hopefully, more parents will do the same. I teach my duaghter to speak up when she sees or hears something that is not right. Instead of yelling back at the parents who said those things, she decided to console her teammates and tell them that they were not babies or quiters. My daughter is a very good lacrosse player but that skill will not be what makes her successful in life. Remember this is town league!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we get back to complaining about Sunday practices and uniforms please ? Whats wrong with you people!!

What? Will TG finally get new uniforms?? Please say it's so!

Couldn't be a better day to practice in my eyes. What was the original reason you didn't want Sunday practice?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both programs should be banned from playing in SCGYL to send a message that this type of behavior from both parents and coaches will not be tolerated. These people are an embarrassment to LI girl�s lacrosse.

Good call, punish the girls for the poor behavior of adults.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was responsible for posting the original comment.about that town game. As a parent I thought it my obligation to protect those who are unable to protect themselves. I do not believe this to be a top gun issue but it should be brought to the attention of all that know them. I know these things were said and done. The hurtful laughter and words may not have been intended for the children, but it was said anyway. The girls were about 25 feet away from the parents who made these remarks. There are no excuses for that behavior. We all are responsible to protect children even if they are not our own. I will help any child in need regardless of what team they play for. Hopefully, more parents will do the same. I teach my duaghter to speak up when she sees or hears something that is not right. Instead of yelling back at the parents who said those things, she decided to console her teammates and tell them that they were not babies or quiters. My daughter is a very good lacrosse player but that skill will not be what makes her successful in life. Remember this is town league!!!

Are you the coach? Still not clear on why this was directed to a TG thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was responsible for posting the original comment.about that town game. As a parent I thought it my obligation to protect those who are unable to protect themselves. I do not believe this to be a top gun issue but it should be brought to the attention of all that know them. I know these things were said and done. The hurtful laughter and words may not have been intended for the children, but it was said anyway. The girls were about 25 feet away from the parents who made these remarks. There are no excuses for that behavior. We all are responsible to protect children even if they are not our own. I will help any child in need regardless of what team they play for. Hopefully, more parents will do the same. I teach my duaghter to speak up when she sees or hears something that is not right. Instead of yelling back at the parents who said those things, she decided to console her teammates and tell them that they were not babies or quiters. My daughter is a very good lacrosse player but that skill will not be what makes her successful in life. Remember this is town league!!!

You are not doing any "protecting" by bashing on the Top Guns board. If you are so concerned take your complaint directly to suffolk county girls lacrosse league or middle country lacrosse league. While you're at it you may want to talk to your own coach because it sounds she's just as crazy! Leave it off the boards

I did get in touch with SCGL. If you read my post again, you would see that this was directed at the MC 6th grade parents who have children who play for top guns. I also said that I was not bashing the organization. Obviously TG is not responsible for the parents. I feel it necessary to make others aware of the disrespectful conduct toward children. Most of this ESM team does not have any other place to play lacrosse except in town league. Please continue to make excuses for these parents. Every club has them as we all know. They should be embarassed and blame should not be shifted onto others. So if the ESM coach is so terrible, why would that make it right for the parents to say aloud that the girls were losers and quiters? They were wrong and there is no excuse. It is time for you to leave the land of make believe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I find it hard to believe that the MC parents were going after the kids of ESM w comments etc. as many of them are good people and I do not think they would tolerate such behavior.That being said the coach is out of control and it seems this coach and team have been called out on this site far too many times by multiple people ,where there is smoke there is fire.I have also witnessed what I would say is a hatred ,for lack of a better term,of YJ by many TG parents and players in this age group. While many YJ parents and players seem to dislike TG I have seen kids from TG in this age group being openly hostile toward YJ .I cannot say some of the animosity is not earned by some YJ parents and parent coaches who also can be obnoxious but the hostility these TG kids seem to have has to be fed into by some of the parents.Parents it's 6th grade lacrosse ,stop acting as if the outcome of these games are going to have some major impact on your kids futures or are a reflection of your coaching ability.

That's funny, I have always felt the hatred was way more tilted the other way around. My girls play TG, many of their friends play for both clubs and none of them really seemed to be too bothered either way. Most of the hatred seems to exist with the parents and coaches and especially the directors. Another observation is that this hatred exists between YJ and ALL other clubs. I guess that is a part of being a good club on the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I find it hard to believe that the MC parents were going after the kids of ESM w comments etc. as many of them are good people and I do not think they would tolerate such behavior.That being said the coach is out of control and it seems this coach and team have been called out on this site far too many times by multiple people ,where there is smoke there is fire.I have also witnessed what I would say is a hatred ,for lack of a better term,of YJ by many TG parents and players in this age group. While many YJ parents and players seem to dislike TG I have seen kids from TG in this age group being openly hostile toward YJ .I cannot say some of the animosity is not earned by some YJ parents and parent coaches who also can be obnoxious but the hostility these TG kids seem to have has to be fed into by some of the parents.Parents it's 6th grade lacrosse ,stop acting as if the outcome of these games are going to have some major impact on your kids futures or are a reflection of your coaching ability.

That's funny, I have always felt the hatred was way more tilted the other way around. My girls play TG, many of their friends play for both clubs and none of them really seemed to be too bothered either way. Most of the hatred seems to exist with the parents and coaches and especially the directors. Another observation is that this hatred exists between YJ and ALL other clubs. I guess that is a part of being a good club on the field.

Actually I have witnessed some of the hatred by the 2019 aged TG players toward YJ , go talk to them it will be obvious. Definately not all of them and most are very nice.The perception that this hatred exists between all other clubs and YJ I have not experienced.My daughters team has played Liberty many times and have seen no animosity , same with steps and many other clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I did get in touch with SCGL. If you read my post again, you would see that this was directed at the MC 6th grade parents who have children who play for top guns. I also said that I was not bashing the organization. Obviously TG is not responsible for the parents. I feel it necessary to make others aware of the disrespectful conduct toward children. Most of this ESM team does not have any other place to play lacrosse except in town league. Please continue to make excuses for these parents. Every club has them as we all know. They should be embarassed and blame should not be shifted onto others. So if the ESM coach is so terrible, why would that make it right for the parents to say aloud that the girls were losers and quiters? They were wrong and there is no excuse. It is time for you to leave the land of make believe.

Make others "aware" by anonymous posting on a club team discussion board. Real valiant of you.

I was there and it did happen. My child is neither a TG or YG - so can't blame it on that

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I did get in touch with SCGL. If you read my post again, you would see that this was directed at the MC 6th grade parents who have children who play for top guns. I also said that I was not bashing the organization. Obviously TG is not responsible for the parents. I feel it necessary to make others aware of the disrespectful conduct toward children. Most of this ESM team does not have any other place to play lacrosse except in town league. Please continue to make excuses for these parents. Every club has them as we all know. They should be embarassed and blame should not be shifted onto others. So if the ESM coach is so terrible, why would that make it right for the parents to say aloud that the girls were losers and quiters? They were wrong and there is no excuse. It is time for you to leave the land of make believe.

Oh, except for; it didn't happen that way. I hope you did get in touch with SCGL and I also hope you have enough courage to come on here and apologize to MC TG parents when the league tells you it was entirely your coaches fault. I'm quite certain the referee will be contacted and he will clarify who's fault it was just as he did at the conclusion of the game. No parents of any organization were yelling at children calling them quitters and babies. That's ridiculous and just slander because you can get away with it by hiding behind a blanket of anonymity. Things may have been said between a fan and your coach, but certainly not any child.

I was there and it didn't happen, so there... Remember there are always three sides to a story (His, Hers, and the Truth). There are too many people here that post false info to stir the pot. The fact that you post without a name makes your claim useless. Please start a new thread for this topic and continue it elsewhere. It has nothing to do with Top Guns. It was not an event with a Top Gun Team as our first practice is this weekend. This is a SC thing and a parent you claim has a kid on TG. And remember I was there and this never happened (so this post has to be true, because people can't post stuff that isn't true) Ohhhhh and I'm just a bystander, with no kids in LAX, and I have been given past awards for honesty... even though I said "our first practice"... Oooooops

My dog has fleas, can anybody recommend a good flea dip.

How about those uniforms?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I did get in touch with SCGL. If you read my post again, you would see that this was directed at the MC 6th grade parents who have children who play for top guns. I also said that I was not bashing the organization. Obviously TG is not responsible for the parents. I feel it necessary to make others aware of the disrespectful conduct toward children. Most of this ESM team does not have any other place to play lacrosse except in town league. Please continue to make excuses for these parents. Every club has them as we all know. They should be embarassed and blame should not be shifted onto others. So if the ESM coach is so terrible, why would that make it right for the parents to say aloud that the girls were losers and quiters? They were wrong and there is no excuse. It is time for you to leave the land of make believe.

So what did SCPAL say?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was there and it didn't happen, so there... Remember there are always three sides to a story (His, Hers, and the Truth). There are too many people here that post false info to stir the pot. The fact that you post without a name makes your claim useless. Please start a new thread for this topic and continue it elsewhere. It has nothing to do with Top Guns. It was not an event with a Top Gun Team as our first practice is this weekend. This is a SC thing and a parent you claim has a kid on TG. And remember I was there and this never happened (so this post has to be true, because people can't post stuff that isn't true) Ohhhhh and I'm just a bystander, with no kids in LAX, and I have been given past awards for honesty... even though I said "our first practice"... Oooooops

What are you five years old? Grow up you moron. You must be a TG parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was there and it didn't happen, so there... Remember there are always three sides to a story (His, Hers, and the Truth). There are too many people here that post false info to stir the pot. The fact that you post without a name makes your claim useless. Please start a new thread for this topic and continue it elsewhere. It has nothing to do with Top Guns. It was not an event with a Top Gun Team as our first practice is this weekend. This is a SC thing and a parent you claim has a kid on TG. And remember I was there and this never happened (so this post has to be true, because people can't post stuff that isn't true) Ohhhhh and I'm just a bystander, with no kids in LAX, and I have been given past awards for honesty... even though I said "our first practice"... Oooooops

What are you five years old? Grow up you moron. You must be a TG parent.

SS missing first practice?

What involvement will Shannon be allowed to have with recruiting age teams this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was there and it didn't happen, so there... Remember there are always three sides to a story (His, Hers, and the Truth). There are too many people here that post false info to stir the pot. The fact that you post without a name makes your claim useless. Please start a new thread for this topic and continue it elsewhere. It has nothing to do with Top Guns. It was not an event with a Top Gun Team as our first practice is this weekend. This is a SC thing and a parent you claim has a kid on TG. And remember I was there and this never happened (so this post has to be true, because people can't post stuff that isn't true) Ohhhhh and I'm just a bystander, with no kids in LAX, and I have been given past awards for honesty... even though I said "our first practice"... Oooooops

What are you five years old? Grow up you moron. You must be a TG parent.

SS missing first practice?

Considering she is Coaching in the CAA final today Yes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was there and it didn't happen, so there... Remember there are always three sides to a story (His, Hers, and the Truth). There are too many people here that post false info to stir the pot. The fact that you post without a name makes your claim useless. Please start a new thread for this topic and continue it elsewhere. It has nothing to do with Top Guns. It was not an event with a Top Gun Team as our first practice is this weekend. This is a SC thing and a parent you claim has a kid on TG. And remember I was there and this never happened (so this post has to be true, because people can't post stuff that isn't true) Ohhhhh and I'm just a bystander, with no kids in LAX, and I have been given past awards for honesty... even though I said "our first practice"... Oooooops

What are you five years old? Grow up you moron. You must be a TG parent.

SS missing first practice?

Considering she is Coaching in the CAA final today Yes

She has always missed the first practice . She was in the confrence playoffs and NCAA tournament every year!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have seen the middle country team many times .Their 6 th grade coach should be ashamed of himself .If they think they have a tuff game coming they actually bring in kids from other towns ( yes TG players) who are not on their roster to play.They will not come on here and deny it because if they do I will send pictures to the league proving it. No I did not report this to the league because I honestly could not care less who wins scgl games and in the end would just hurt the girls who just want to play.That being said they use the stall method all the time, if they have a lead they stall for 15 minutes at times which is such a cheesy thing to do when there is no stick checking and the refs are bad enough that they never call 3 seconds for closely guarded.It's not the NCAA or even varsity but their coach thinks he is some sort of lacrosse guru when in reality he is a complete tool taking advantage of scgl rules.

Just out of curiosity, what do the SCGYL rules say about bringing kids in from other towns? I�m also wondering what kind of idiotic parents would allow their kid to play as a ringer for another town team. They�re just telling their daughter that it�s ok to cheat if you want to win. Do you tell her to do that in school as well? Unless her town doesn�t have a team, she should stick with her own team.

I know in Nassau County there are different rules depending on the circumstances ie: if that town doesn't have a team for that age. We aged out of Town teams, but who cares anyway. Maybe you can take a certain number of out of towners on a team.

Not sure what the rules are, but I agree that the parents made the wrong call on this one. Kids should be taught to work hard to achieve something, not cheat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know in Nassau County there are different rules depending on the circumstances ie: if that town doesn't have a team for that age. We aged out of Town teams, but who cares anyway. Maybe you can take a certain number of out of towners on a team.

Similarly to PAL, the child would have to get a release from the town they reside in. As you said, if a town doesn't have a team, I believe the child can choose where to play. As we all know, at times the relationship between the player, parents,and coach may be frictional and and at times even cancerous, and the director would then determine what they think is best for the town and the child. Quite often, a town doesn't have an appropriate team (ie; A, B, or C) for the child to play on and the director would normally allow the child to find a team that is a better fit. I don't believe most directors, and I emphasize "most," allow a child to either leave, or enter, another program for the point of "stacking" a team. If something like this does take place, SCGL is supposed to step in and police the situation, which they do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know in Nassau County there are different rules depending on the circumstances ie: if that town doesn't have a team for that age. We aged out of Town teams, but who cares anyway. Maybe you can take a certain number of out of towners on a team.

Similarly to PAL, the child would have to get a release from the town they reside in. As you said, if a town doesn't have a team, I believe the child can choose where to play. As we all know, at times the relationship between the player, parents,and coach may be frictional and and at times even cancerous, and the director would then determine what they think is best for the town and the child. Quite often, a town doesn't have an appropriate team (ie; A, B, or C) for the child to play on and the director would normally allow the child to find a team that is a better fit. I don't believe most directors, and I emphasize "most," allow a child to either leave, or enter, another program for the point of "stacking" a team. If something like this does take place, SCGL is supposed to step in and police the situation, which they do.

So your saying I can plead my case to the league and be allowed to play for another town? So if my daughters coach was all about his own daughter, who never sees the bench (and not because she's good), while the rest of team gets the short end, your saying I can get excused. This scenerio plays out all too often with parent coaches so you still run the risk its happenikng on the team your going to as well. We seriously need a local travel leauge.

So what you�re saying is that if you or your kid do not get along with the coach or you feel your kid is too good for that team, you find another team. What if you don�t get along with that coach, or again you feel the team is not up to your daughters standards. Not only is that a terrible attitude, it�s not fair to the kids that truly belong on the team and who are losing playing time because your daughter. What happens if she gets to HS and the team is not to her liking, do you sell your house and move to another district?

anyone know when returning players will get this years uniforms? they were not given out at practice yesterday

This sounds like typical TG Psycho Parent stuff.

People move out of school distrcts all the time or send to private schools for many reasons. As far as a kid playing SCGL for another township there could be multiple reasons why ,some of which are no ones business.That being said if a childs parents ask for a release I think iy should be granted but they should have to go to the nearest suitable program, ie if an A level player go to the nearest age appropriate town team.There are too many reasons to list that kids may want to get a release from their town to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People move out of school distrcts all the time or send to private schools for many reasons. As far as a kid playing SCGL for another township there could be multiple reasons why ,some of which are no ones business.That being said if a childs parents ask for a release I think iy should be granted but they should have to go to the nearest suitable program, ie if an A level player go to the nearest age appropriate town team.There are too many reasons to list that kids may want to get a release from their town to play.

There�s only one reason, the parents are jerks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People move out of school distrcts all the time or send to private schools for many reasons. As far as a kid playing SCGL for another township there could be multiple reasons why ,some of which are no ones business.That being said if a childs parents ask for a release I think iy should be granted but they should have to go to the nearest suitable program, ie if an A level player go to the nearest age appropriate town team.There are too many reasons to list that kids may want to get a release from their town to play.

There�s only one reason, the parents are jerks.

Maybe her town team only plays in the A division and the kid is a beginner or the other way around. Maybe its easier to have the kid play where here parents work, maybe the kid goes to private school and wants to play with her friends from school,maybe there is an unresolved personal issue with the coach, maybe the hometown coach is one of those coaches we all say I would not let my kid play for but then you go and knock the kid when they dont.As long as they followed SCGL rules and are on the roster it is none of your business, so stop being a wash women and shut your mouth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People move out of school distrcts all the time or send to private schools for many reasons. As far as a kid playing SCGL for another township there could be multiple reasons why ,some of which are no ones business.That being said if a childs parents ask for a release I think iy should be granted but they should have to go to the nearest suitable program, ie if an A level player go to the nearest age appropriate town team.There are too many reasons to list that kids may want to get a release from their town to play.

There�s only one reason, the parents are jerks.

Maybe her town team only plays in the A division and the kid is a beginner or the other way around. Maybe its easier to have the kid play where here parents work, maybe the kid goes to private school and wants to play with her friends from school,maybe there is an unresolved personal issue with the coach, maybe the hometown coach is one of those coaches we all say I would not let my kid play for but then you go and knock the kid when they dont.As long as they followed SCGL rules and are on the roster it is none of your business, so stop being a wash women and shut your mouth.

I don�t think the ringer that the MC coach brought in was a beginner. Just typical TG Psycho Parents.

You really missed the point who knows why this kid plays with another town but so long as it was done by the rules, who cares. By the way I have no idea if they got a release from their town etc. or not,if they did not she should not be allowed to play if she did then leave her alone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone know when returning players will get this years uniforms? they were not given out at practice yesterday

You only get one uniform your first year. After that you have to buy one if you want a new one.

NO she isnt a begginer but if you knew everything you would be ashamed of yourself

First year TG Parent and was very impressed with the practice yesterday. The girls looked great and I want to wish them luck this year. My daughter said that all the girls couldn't be nicer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People move out of school distrcts all the time or send to private schools for many reasons. As far as a kid playing SCGL for another township there could be multiple reasons why ,some of which are no ones business.That being said if a childs parents ask for a release I think iy should be granted but they should have to go to the nearest suitable program, ie if an A level player go to the nearest age appropriate town team.There are too many reasons to list that kids may want to get a release from their town to play.

There�s only one reason, the parents are jerks.

More like too many of the coaches are jerks. Seriously, look at all the crap that fills these boards. Half of the coaches are unfit for the position. Most all of the crazy screaming and carrying on is on the coaches. Not that my kids coaches are too bad, but I often say leaving game "I would never let my kid play for that coach" so many of these people are the town coaches, and because you live in that town you are stuck playing for some over the top [lacrosse]. LIJS and other leagues have it right, give people a choice. The person above is probaly one of the [lacrosse] coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone know when returning players will get this years uniforms? they were not given out at practice yesterday

You only get one uniform your first year. After that you have to buy one if you want a new one.

The member info states a uniform is included each year- they cant possibly expect that crap pinnie to last beyond a summer! I have accepted that thecgirls have the most ill fitting uniforms on the fields but the organization cant be that cheap!

go play for a different team. If you do not like a coach, the uniforms, the director, the kids, the cost, the parents etc... Go play for another club.

Finally!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone know when returning players will get this years uniforms? they were not given out at practice yesterday

You only get one uniform your first year. After that you have to buy one if you want a new one.

The member info states a uniform is included each year- they cant possibly expect that crap pinnie to last beyond a summer! I have accepted that thecgirls have the most ill fitting uniforms on the fields but the organization cant be that cheap!

Go play the other club if you�re not happy, just watch out for the tobacco spit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone know when returning players will get this years uniforms? they were not given out at practice yesterday

You only get one uniform your first year. After that you have to buy one if you want a new one.

The member info states a uniform is included each year- they cant possibly expect that crap pinnie to last beyond a summer! I have accepted that thecgirls have the most ill fitting uniforms on the fields but the organization cant be that cheap!

Go play the other club if you�re not happy, just watch out for the tobacco spit.

Gotta admit though, the girls look great in the high end uniforms, jackets and all the rest. Half of them are on team E or D and can't catch or throw, but look great off the field. My kid can play like heck, but does look shabby in the dress department due to the use of cheezy pinneys as uniforms. Not overly concerned, but it would be nice to upgrade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone know when returning players will get this years uniforms? they were not given out at practice yesterday

You only get one uniform your first year. After that you have to buy one if you want a new one.

The member info states a uniform is included each year- they cant possibly expect that crap pinnie to last beyond a summer! I have accepted that thecgirls have the most ill fitting uniforms on the fields but the organization cant be that cheap!

Go play the other club if you�re not happy, just watch out for the tobacco spit.

Gotta admit though, the girls look great in the high end uniforms, jackets and all the rest. Half of them are on team E or D and can't catch or throw, but look great off the field. My kid can play like heck, but does look shabby in the dress department due to the use of cheezy pinneys as uniforms. Not overly concerned, but it would be nice to upgrade.

She would probably be one of those so called �D� or �E� kids if she tried out for a higher end club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone know when returning players will get this years uniforms? they were not given out at practice yesterday

You only get one uniform your first year. After that you have to buy one if you want a new one.

The member info states a uniform is included each year- they cant possibly expect that crap pinnie to last beyond a summer! I have accepted that thecgirls have the most ill fitting uniforms on the fields but the organization cant be that cheap!

Go play the other club if you�re not happy, just watch out for the tobacco spit.

Gotta admit though, the girls look great in the high end uniforms, jackets and all the rest. Half of them are on team E or D and can't catch or throw, but look great off the field. My kid can play like heck, but does look shabby in the dress department due to the use of cheezy pinneys as uniforms. Not overly concerned, but it would be nice to upgrade.

Maybe you guys should sing the Barney song when you walk onto the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone know when returning players will get this years uniforms? they were not given out at practice yesterday

You only get one uniform your first year. After that you have to buy one if you want a new one.

The member info states a uniform is included each year- they cant possibly expect that crap pinnie to last beyond a summer! I have accepted that thecgirls have the most ill fitting uniforms on the fields but the organization cant be that cheap!

Go play the other club if you�re not happy, just watch out for the tobacco spit.

Gotta admit though, the girls look great in the high end uniforms, jackets and all the rest. Half of them are on team E or D and can't catch or throw, but look great off the field. My kid can play like heck, but does look shabby in the dress department due to the use of cheezy pinneys as uniforms. Not overly concerned, but it would be nice to upgrade.

$1300 a player and the girls don't get a new uniform?? We know they Re making a fortune off the players and Bill has made it clear he was not upgrading uniforms but To have the girls play in torn, dirty pinnies that dont have numbers is disgraceful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone know when returning players will get this years uniforms? they were not given out at practice yesterday

You only get one uniform your first year. After that you have to buy one if you want a new one.

The member info states a uniform is included each year- they cant possibly expect that crap pinnie to last beyond a summer! I have accepted that thecgirls have the most ill fitting uniforms on the fields but the organization cant be that cheap!

Go play the other club if you�re not happy, just watch out for the tobacco spit.

Gotta admit though, the girls look great in the high end uniforms, jackets and all the rest. Half of them are on team E or D and can't catch or throw, but look great off the field. My kid can play like heck, but does look shabby in the dress department due to the use of cheezy pinneys as uniforms. Not overly concerned, but it would be nice to upgrade.

Play like heck she must be great, and I agree those kids that are terrible on D,E teams definately do not deserve to have nicer uniforms than your kid who can play like heck, those kids should be wearing used garbage bags like our top players.

Ah..the heck with this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone know when returning players will get this years uniforms? they were not given out at practice yesterday

You only get one uniform your first year. After that you have to buy one if you want a new one.

The member info states a uniform is included each year- they cant possibly expect that crap pinnie to last beyond a summer! I have accepted that thecgirls have the most ill fitting uniforms on the fields but the organization cant be that cheap!

Go play the other club if you�re not happy, just watch out for the tobacco spit.

Gotta admit though, the girls look great in the high end uniforms, jackets and all the rest. Half of them are on team E or D and can't catch or throw, but look great off the field. My kid can play like heck, but does look shabby in the dress department due to the use of cheezy pinneys as uniforms. Not overly concerned, but it would be nice to upgrade.

$1300 a player and the girls don't get a new uniform?? We know they Re making a fortune off the players and Bill has made it clear he was not upgrading uniforms but To have the girls play in torn, dirty pinnies that dont have numbers is disgraceful.

Someone must be playing a joke guys, the organization is shoddy but they at least have to give new pinnies out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone know when returning players will get this years uniforms? they were not given out at practice yesterday

You only get one uniform your first year. After that you have to buy one if you want a new one.

The member info states a uniform is included each year- they cant possibly expect that crap pinnie to last beyond a summer! I have accepted that thecgirls have the most ill fitting uniforms on the fields but the organization cant be that cheap!

Go play the other club if you�re not happy, just watch out for the tobacco spit.

Gotta admit though, the girls look great in the high end uniforms, jackets and all the rest. Half of them are on team E or D and can't catch or throw, but look great off the field. My kid can play like heck, but does look shabby in the dress department due to the use of cheezy pinneys as uniforms. Not overly concerned, but it would be nice to upgrade.

She would probably be one of those so called �D� or �E� kids if she tried out for a higher end club.

If you think that is the case, a player from YJ's forth or fifth team is equal to a TG first team player you are delusional. I'm sure you need to tell yourself that to sleep at night just to justify spending the money. Those teams are miles from being competitive. Some of your age groups have an edge and some do not. Don't get me wrong, I know and respect that your top teams are very strong, if you think that TG teams don't stack up, especially the lower ages, you are in denial.

Gotta admit though, the girls look great in the high end uniforms, jackets and all the rest. Half of them are on team E or D and can't catch or throw, but look great off the field. My kid can play like heck, but does look shabby in the dress department due to the use of cheezy pinneys as uniforms. Not overly concerned, but it would be nice to upgrade. [/quote]She would probably be one of those so called �D� or �E� kids if she tried out for a higher end club. [/quote]

If you think that is the case, a player from YJ's forth or fifth team is equal to a TG first team player you are delusional. I'm sure you need to tell yourself that to sleep at night just to justify spending the money. Those teams are miles from being competitive. Some of your age groups have an edge and some do not. Don't get me wrong, I know and respect that your top teams are very strong, if you think that TG teams don't stack up, especially the lower ages, you are in denial. [/quote]

Have to agree your younger age teams are very good (2019-2020),not as good at older levels .
Had considered a shift to TG but the concern I had was who knew where SS was going to end up considering she was just a college kid at the time.What would TG be if SS had been offered a boat load of money to coach out of state.You still have to be concerned with what her involvement will be with the club due to time constraints and NCAA regulations with recruiting age kids.I still do not see how she will be able to avoid problems at the recruiting ages in that some of those kids fall outside the 50 mile radius thing.As SS is the overwhelming main draw for TG and I am sure many would not have joined if they thought she would have little involvement.That being said I hope it works out for the kids in the club as they work very hard and deserve to get what they thought they were paying for.

Is play like heck mean she is good. From 2014 down , no way TG team beats any top YJ team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gotta admit though, the girls look great in the high end uniforms, jackets and all the rest. Half of them are on team E or D and can't catch or throw, but look great off the field. My kid can play like heck, but does look shabby in the dress department due to the use of cheezy pinneys as uniforms. Not overly concerned, but it would be nice to upgrade.

She would probably be one of those so called �D� or �E� kids if she tried out for a higher end club. [/quote]

If you think that is the case, a player from YJ's forth or fifth team is equal to a TG first team player you are delusional. I'm sure you need to tell yourself that to sleep at night just to justify spending the money. Those teams are miles from being competitive. Some of your age groups have an edge and some do not. Don't get me wrong, I know and respect that your top teams are very strong, if you think that TG teams don't stack up, especially the lower ages, you are in denial. [/quote]

Have to agree your younger age teams are very good (2019-2020),not as good at older levels .
Had considered a shift to TG but the concern I had was who knew where SS was going to end up considering she was just a college kid at the time.What would TG be if SS had been offered a boat load of money to coach out of state.You still have to be concerned with what her involvement will be with the club due to time constraints and NCAA regulations with recruiting age kids.I still do not see how she will be able to avoid problems at the recruiting ages in that some of those kids fall outside the 50 mile radius thing.As SS is the overwhelming main draw for TG and I am sure many would not have joined if they thought she would have little involvement.That being said I hope it works out for the kids in the club as they work very hard and deserve to get what they thought they were paying for. [/quote]

YJ top team in each age group is always excellent. In,fact, in the older age groups, the top 2 teams are awesome. Starting with 2017 and going younger, that's not the case any more. Too much competition from too many other programs. the second teams in 2017 and below certainly have some great players, but they dont have the depth of the older groups.

[quote=Anonymous]First year TG Parent and was very impressed with the practice yesterday. The girls looked great and I want to wish them luck this year. My daughter said that all the girls couldn't be nicer.

Welcome to the show First year TG Parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is play like heck mean she is good. From 2014 down , no way TG team beats any top YJ team.

Guaranteed this is not a YJ player or parent

We played for TG last year. We were not on the black team, which for many is an OK experience. Our experience on the B Team was excruciating. The facts:

1. If you are paying for travel, to me the number 1 thing you want is great coaching, so they can progress. Whether its the A team or the E team. Our team had some very capable players and TG blew an opportunity to develop them.
2. College kids may be great players but that does not make them great coaches. Our coach was cute and nice, but abysmal as a coach. My kid got zero encouragement and the coach did not even know how to use her on the field.
3. The "family" means the smith family, not yours.
4. There is no respect for league play. The girls who play for Top Guns all play league and games are on sundays. You are expected to make TG your priority and not only is missing practice (also, conincidentally, on Sundays) frowned upon but they punish the kids by ignoring them and not playing them. Travel season is the summer. Not the spring. How dare you put these kids and families in the position of having to choose you over an organization they have played with for years and will continue to play for until they graduate! It's disgustingly selfish and SCGL should send you a warning.
5. I am a customer, and I deserve decent service. If my kid isn't learning because you are not investing resources in her team when I am paying you good money to do so, I will go elsewhere.

And we did. We are now at YJ, and we love our coach, and the fact that the program actually supports putting our league first during league season - and even states that if your league is at a tournament you should play for THEM. My daughter made a great team and they value her and its obvious. It may not be the top top team, but I don't care. Our team does extra practices (not just the 10 they have to do). They work the girls hard, but are flexible with us, and we even have a team mom, who is wonderful. We are treated with respect not like cattle, or a number, or a cash cow.

We are not the only ones who feel this way.

Lack of respect
Lack of customer service.
Lack of coaching.

Bye bye TG. We don't miss you. Not even a little. And the thing is, as pissed off as I am - my poor kid had to endure that horrible year in a program that she should enjoy, that she should be proud of. Hall of shame, only place for you, TG.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We played for TG last year. We were not on the black team, which for many is an OK experience. Our experience on the B Team was excruciating. The facts:

1. If you are paying for travel, to me the number 1 thing you want is great coaching, so they can progress. Whether its the A team or the E team. Our team had some very capable players and TG blew an opportunity to develop them.
2. College kids may be great players but that does not make them great coaches. Our coach was cute and nice, but abysmal as a coach. My kid got zero encouragement and the coach did not even know how to use her on the field.
3. The "family" means the smith family, not yours.
4. There is no respect for league play. The girls who play for Top Guns all play league and games are on sundays. You are expected to make TG your priority and not only is missing practice (also, conincidentally, on Sundays) frowned upon but they punish the kids by ignoring them and not playing them. Travel season is the summer. Not the spring. How dare you put these kids and families in the position of having to choose you over an organization they have played with for years and will continue to play for until they graduate! It's disgustingly selfish and SCGL should send you a warning.
5. I am a customer, and I deserve decent service. If my kid isn't learning because you are not investing resources in her team when I am paying you good money to do so, I will go elsewhere.

And we did. We are now at YJ, and we love our coach, and the fact that the program actually supports putting our league first during league season - and even states that if your league is at a tournament you should play for THEM. My daughter made a great team and they value her and its obvious. It may not be the top top team, but I don't care. Our team does extra practices (not just the 10 they have to do). They work the girls hard, but are flexible with us, and we even have a team mom, who is wonderful. We are treated with respect not like cattle, or a number, or a cash cow.

We are not the only ones who feel this way.

Lack of respect
Lack of customer service.
Lack of coaching.

Bye bye TG. We don't miss you. Not even a little. And the thing is, as pissed off as I am - my poor kid had to endure that horrible year in a program that she should enjoy, that she should be proud of. Hall of shame, only place for you, TG.

BA BYE !!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We played for TG last year. We were not on the black team, which for many is an OK experience. Our experience on the B Team was excruciating. The facts:

1. If you are paying for travel, to me the number 1 thing you want is great coaching, so they can progress. Whether its the A team or the E team. Our team had some very capable players and TG blew an opportunity to develop them.
2. College kids may be great players but that does not make them great coaches. Our coach was cute and nice, but abysmal as a coach. My kid got zero encouragement and the coach did not even know how to use her on the field.
3. The "family" means the smith family, not yours.
4. There is no respect for league play. The girls who play for Top Guns all play league and games are on sundays. You are expected to make TG your priority and not only is missing practice (also, conincidentally, on Sundays) frowned upon but they punish the kids by ignoring them and not playing them. Travel season is the summer. Not the spring. How dare you put these kids and families in the position of having to choose you over an organization they have played with for years and will continue to play for until they graduate! It's disgustingly selfish and SCGL should send you a warning.
5. I am a customer, and I deserve decent service. If my kid isn't learning because you are not investing resources in her team when I am paying you good money to do so, I will go elsewhere.

And we did. We are now at YJ, and we love our coach, and the fact that the program actually supports putting our league first during league season - and even states that if your league is at a tournament you should play for THEM. My daughter made a great team and they value her and its obvious. It may not be the top top team, but I don't care. Our team does extra practices (not just the 10 they have to do). They work the girls hard, but are flexible with us, and we even have a team mom, who is wonderful. We are treated with respect not like cattle, or a number, or a cash cow.

We are not the only ones who feel this way.

Lack of respect
Lack of customer service.
Lack of coaching.

Bye bye TG. We don't miss you. Not even a little. And the thing is, as pissed off as I am - my poor kid had to endure that horrible year in a program that she should enjoy, that she should be proud of. Hall of shame, only place for you, TG.

BA BYE !!!

While your experience with TGs was bad I bet there are many that are good. There are many YJ horror stories seen here on BOTC as well and many who swear their allegiance. You were right to make a move because like you said you are the consumer. I would recommend making a change to anyone whose situation warrants it. Good luck and please keep us posted.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We played for TG last year. We were not on the black team, which for many is an OK experience. Our experience on the B Team was excruciating. The facts:

1. If you are paying for travel, to me the number 1 thing you want is great coaching, so they can progress. Whether its the A team or the E team. Our team had some very capable players and TG blew an opportunity to develop them.
2. College kids may be great players but that does not make them great coaches. Our coach was cute and nice, but abysmal as a coach. My kid got zero encouragement and the coach did not even know how to use her on the field.
3. The "family" means the smith family, not yours.
4. There is no respect for league play. The girls who play for Top Guns all play league and games are on sundays. You are expected to make TG your priority and not only is missing practice (also, conincidentally, on Sundays) frowned upon but they punish the kids by ignoring them and not playing them. Travel season is the summer. Not the spring. How dare you put these kids and families in the position of having to choose you over an organization they have played with for years and will continue to play for until they graduate! It's disgustingly selfish and SCGL should send you a warning.
5. I am a customer, and I deserve decent service. If my kid isn't learning because you are not investing resources in her team when I am paying you good money to do so, I will go elsewhere.

And we did. We are now at YJ, and we love our coach, and the fact that the program actually supports putting our league first during league season - and even states that if your league is at a tournament you should play for THEM. My daughter made a great team and they value her and its obvious. It may not be the top top team, but I don't care. Our team does extra practices (not just the 10 they have to do). They work the girls hard, but are flexible with us, and we even have a team mom, who is wonderful. We are treated with respect not like cattle, or a number, or a cash cow.

We are not the only ones who feel this way.

Lack of respect
Lack of customer service.
Lack of coaching.

Bye bye TG. We don't miss you. Not even a little. And the thing is, as pissed off as I am - my poor kid had to endure that horrible year in a program that she should enjoy, that she should be proud of. Hall of shame, only place for you, TG.

Good riddance and take your stupid Maryland hat with you. Let�s see how long it takes for you to annoy the heck out of the YJ parents like you did with TG. I bet next year you�ll be complaining about the YJ program and have your daughter on another club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We played for TG last year. We were not on the black team, which for many is an OK experience. Our experience on the B Team was excruciating. The facts:

1. If you are paying for travel, to me the number 1 thing you want is great coaching, so they can progress. Whether its the A team or the E team. Our team had some very capable players and TG blew an opportunity to develop them.
2. College kids may be great players but that does not make them great coaches. Our coach was cute and nice, but abysmal as a coach. My kid got zero encouragement and the coach did not even know how to use her on the field.
3. The "family" means the smith family, not yours.
4. There is no respect for league play. The girls who play for Top Guns all play league and games are on sundays. You are expected to make TG your priority and not only is missing practice (also, conincidentally, on Sundays) frowned upon but they punish the kids by ignoring them and not playing them. Travel season is the summer. Not the spring. How dare you put these kids and families in the position of having to choose you over an organization they have played with for years and will continue to play for until they graduate! It's disgustingly selfish and SCGL should send you a warning.
5. I am a customer, and I deserve decent service. If my kid isn't learning because you are not investing resources in her team when I am paying you good money to do so, I will go elsewhere.

And we did. We are now at YJ, and we love our coach, and the fact that the program actually supports putting our league first during league season - and even states that if your league is at a tournament you should play for THEM. My daughter made a great team and they value her and its obvious. It may not be the top top team, but I don't care. Our team does extra practices (not just the 10 they have to do). They work the girls hard, but are flexible with us, and we even have a team mom, who is wonderful. We are treated with respect not like cattle, or a number, or a cash cow.

We are not the only ones who feel this way.

Lack of respect
Lack of customer service.
Lack of coaching.

Bye bye TG. We don't miss you. Not even a little. And the thing is, as pissed off as I am - my poor kid had to endure that horrible year in a program that she should enjoy, that she should be proud of. Hall of shame, only place for you, TG.

Every club, coach, team, player, parent has a certain dynamic to fit in on each team. The good thing here is it is nice to have multiple choices of quality travel team oppurtunities. Change is sometimes the best option for some people and glad to see it may work out for you, kinda early to judge though, come back at end of season and report. Lacrosse seems to turn a lot of people bitter if the team situation is not ideal, and the bitter bug seems to have bitten you. So I agree with your choice of a change in search of greener pastures, good luck and try to find peace.

Thanks for your story.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We played for TG last year. We were not on the black team, which for many is an OK experience. Our experience on the B Team was excruciating. The facts:

1. If you are paying for travel, to me the number 1 thing you want is great coaching, so they can progress. Whether its the A team or the E team. Our team had some very capable players and TG blew an opportunity to develop them.
2. College kids may be great players but that does not make them great coaches. Our coach was cute and nice, but abysmal as a coach. My kid got zero encouragement and the coach did not even know how to use her on the field.
3. The "family" means the smith family, not yours.
4. There is no respect for league play. The girls who play for Top Guns all play league and games are on sundays. You are expected to make TG your priority and not only is missing practice (also, conincidentally, on Sundays) frowned upon but they punish the kids by ignoring them and not playing them. Travel season is the summer. Not the spring. How dare you put these kids and families in the position of having to choose you over an organization they have played with for years and will continue to play for until they graduate! It's disgustingly selfish and SCGL should send you a warning.
5. I am a customer, and I deserve decent service. If my kid isn't learning because you are not investing resources in her team when I am paying you good money to do so, I will go elsewhere.

And we did. We are now at YJ, and we love our coach, and the fact that the program actually supports putting our league first during league season - and even states that if your league is at a tournament you should play for THEM. My daughter made a great team and they value her and its obvious. It may not be the top top team, but I don't care. Our team does extra practices (not just the 10 they have to do). They work the girls hard, but are flexible with us, and we even have a team mom, who is wonderful. We are treated with respect not like cattle, or a number, or a cash cow.

We are not the only ones who feel this way.

Lack of respect
Lack of customer service.
Lack of coaching.

Bye bye TG. We don't miss you. Not even a little. And the thing is, as pissed off as I am - my poor kid had to endure that horrible year in a program that she should enjoy, that she should be proud of. Hall of shame, only place for you, TG.

Last time I checked WE didn't play your daughter played .....you watched and complained and probably got carded from the stands!

Maybe, but as of now my daughter is loving it. I'll post back after the season. The great thing is that as Long Islanders we do have tons of options.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe, but as of now my daughter is loving it. I'll post back after the season. The great thing is that as Long Islanders we do have tons of options.

Does that mean one of the TG Psycho daddies has infiltrated the YJ ranks? Yikes! Maybe he can hang out with that Psycho mamma coach.

YJ is the landing spot for disgruntaled TG and vice versa. After those two bridges are burnt, what's the next option? I see people swaping back and forth, rarely do you see them crying on the threads, this person must be seriously upset. Next option, serious question. List in order please.

i agree topguns coaching besides the family, aint that good.

its all about the money ..... why should i buy new uniforms

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe, but as of now my daughter is loving it. I'll post back after the season. The great thing is that as Long Islanders we do have tons of options.

Please dont !!!!!!Nobody really values your opinion.

Say what you want but YJ coaching for the most part and especially with their top teams is much better. My daughter is also a transfer and there is no comparison the coaching at her age on YJ is fantastic. That being said I actually think the talent on the top TG team in the age group is better so if the saying holds about playing with better kids holds true it's a toss up between which team would help her improve more. I coach a younger level town team and have to say I now watch every minute of her YJ practices ,I have learned more from these 3 practices coaching wise than I did all of last year. YJ practices have a lot of team drills and team concepts while the TG practices almost seemed to be a try-out with 1 on 1 etc and individual concepts.Just my experience so far.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say what you want but YJ coaching for the most part and especially with their top teams is much better. My daughter is also a transfer and there is no comparison the coaching at her age on YJ is fantastic. That being said I actually think the talent on the top TG team in the age group is better so if the saying holds about playing with better kids holds true it's a toss up between which team would help her improve more. I coach a younger level town team and have to say I now watch every minute of her YJ practices ,I have learned more from these 3 practices coaching wise than I did all of last year. YJ practices have a lot of team drills and team concepts while the TG practices almost seemed to be a try-out with 1 on 1 etc and individual concepts.Just my experience so far.

I can appreciate that, but it also brings forth the following question.. Am I letting my daughter play travel lacrosse so that the �Team� can get better or for �her� to get better? I don�t have the answer but I�m curious about other opinions

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say what you want but YJ coaching for the most part and especially with their top teams is much better. My daughter is also a transfer and there is no comparison the coaching at her age on YJ is fantastic. That being said I actually think the talent on the top TG team in the age group is better so if the saying holds about playing with better kids holds true it's a toss up between which team would help her improve more. I coach a younger level town team and have to say I now watch every minute of her YJ practices ,I have learned more from these 3 practices coaching wise than I did all of last year. YJ practices have a lot of team drills and team concepts while the TG practices almost seemed to be a try-out with 1 on 1 etc and individual concepts.Just my experience so far.

I can appreciate that, but it also brings forth the following question.. Am I letting my daughter play travel lacrosse so that the �Team� can get better or for �her� to get better? I don�t have the answer but I�m curious about other opinions

Here is something I am sure of, a very good coach can take a less talented team, get em coached up and easily beat a much more indkividually talented team with bad coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say what you want but YJ coaching for the most part and especially with their top teams is much better. My daughter is also a transfer and there is no comparison the coaching at her age on YJ is fantastic. That being said I actually think the talent on the top TG team in the age group is better so if the saying holds about playing with better kids holds true it's a toss up between which team would help her improve more. I coach a younger level town team and have to say I now watch every minute of her YJ practices ,I have learned more from these 3 practices coaching wise than I did all of last year. YJ practices have a lot of team drills and team concepts while the TG practices almost seemed to be a try-out with 1 on 1 etc and individual concepts.Just my experience so far.

We made the switch to TG this year and so far we are not impressed. My daughter and a few others were not on what our former club considered to be the best team and after a bit of coaxing decided to give it a try. Dunce cap parent of the year for me, girls are not welcoming and parents are worse. Watching grown men flock to the club owner at practice was amusing. Too late for us at this point and it was a stupid move before HS, warning to others-the grass is not always greener. JMHO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say what you want but YJ coaching for the most part and especially with their top teams is much better. My daughter is also a transfer and there is no comparison the coaching at her age on YJ is fantastic. That being said I actually think the talent on the top TG team in the age group is better so if the saying holds about playing with better kids holds true it's a toss up between which team would help her improve more. I coach a younger level town team and have to say I now watch every minute of her YJ practices ,I have learned more from these 3 practices coaching wise than I did all of last year. YJ practices have a lot of team drills and team concepts while the TG practices almost seemed to be a try-out with 1 on 1 etc and individual concepts.Just my experience so far.

We made the switch to TG this year and so far we are not impressed. My daughter and a few others were not on what our former club considered to be the best team and after a bit of coaxing decided to give it a try. Dunce cap parent of the year for me, girls are not welcoming and parents are worse. Watching grown men flock to the club owner at practice was amusing. Too late for us at this point and it was a stupid move before HS, warning to others-the grass is not always greener. JMHO.

My experience was 180 degrees different from yours. My daughter and I were welcomed from the get-go.

My opinion is that each team, even within a club, has its own culture. I left one organization that was not welcoming (among other issues) but there are people on that team that are still happy. You have to find what works for your daughter and family, and it is unfortunate that you can't "try on" a team for size before making a commitment.

What is also unfortunate is that girls tend to get very clique-ish, and it's second nature to many of them to circle the wagons and keep the newcomers at bay. But wait, things may change over the course of the season when you are spending every weekend with the team and its parents. It's still early days to tar and feather the whole organization, IMO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say what you want but YJ coaching for the most part and especially with their top teams is much better. My daughter is also a transfer and there is no comparison the coaching at her age on YJ is fantastic. That being said I actually think the talent on the top TG team in the age group is better so if the saying holds about playing with better kids holds true it's a toss up between which team would help her improve more. I coach a younger level town team and have to say I now watch every minute of her YJ practices ,I have learned more from these 3 practices coaching wise than I did all of last year. YJ practices have a lot of team drills and team concepts while the TG practices almost seemed to be a try-out with 1 on 1 etc and individual concepts.Just my experience so far.

We made the switch to TG this year and so far we are not impressed. My daughter and a few others were not on what our former club considered to be the best team and after a bit of coaxing decided to give it a try. Dunce cap parent of the year for me, girls are not welcoming and parents are worse. Watching grown men flock to the club owner at practice was amusing. Too late for us at this point and it was a stupid move before HS, warning to others-the grass is not always greener. JMHO.

Its only been 1 practice right? What exactly did you expect. There are no secrets or magic involved. The kids practice and the parents watch. How much time was there for the girls to be welcoming, there were a couple of teams practicing at the same time, I certainly didn't know who to welcome

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say what you want but YJ coaching for the most part and especially with their top teams is much better. My daughter is also a transfer and there is no comparison the coaching at her age on YJ is fantastic. That being said I actually think the talent on the top TG team in the age group is better so if the saying holds about playing with better kids holds true it's a toss up between which team would help her improve more. I coach a younger level town team and have to say I now watch every minute of her YJ practices ,I have learned more from these 3 practices coaching wise than I did all of last year. YJ practices have a lot of team drills and team concepts while the TG practices almost seemed to be a try-out with 1 on 1 etc and individual concepts.Just my experience so far.

We made the switch to TG this year and so far we are not impressed. My daughter and a few others were not on what our former club considered to be the best team and after a

bit of coaxing decided to give it a try. Dunce cap parent of the year for me, girls are not welcoming and parents are worse. Watching grown men flock to the club owner at

practice was amusing. Too late for us at this point and it was a stupid move before HS, warning to others-the grass is not always greener. JMHO.

Its only been 1 practice right? What exactly did you expect. There are no secrets or magic involved. The kids practice and the parents watch. How much time was there for the girls to be welcoming, there were a couple of teams practicing at the same time, I certainly didn't know who to welcome

We played some winter lax too. I will ride out the year as will a few others but the clique is obvious. Thankfully my daughter became friendly with a few girls from the OTHER TG team and the parents seem down to earth and welcoming. Watched a 2 hour practice and so different on either team. Guess we will have to wAit for the dance to see what goes on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say what you want but YJ coaching for the most part and especially with their top teams is much better. My daughter is also a transfer and there is no comparison the coaching at her age on YJ is fantastic. That being said I actually think the talent on the top TG team in the age group is better so if the saying holds about playing with better kids holds true it's a toss up between which team would help her improve more. I coach a younger level town team and have to say I now watch every minute of her YJ practices ,I have learned more from these 3 practices coaching wise than I did all of last year. YJ practices have a lot of team drills and team concepts while the TG practices almost seemed to be a try-out with 1 on 1 etc and individual concepts.Just my experience so far.

I can appreciate that, but it also brings forth the following question.. Am I letting my daughter play travel lacrosse so that the �Team� can get better or for �her� to get better? I don�t have the answer but I�m curious about other opinions

Here is something I am sure of, a very good coach can take a less talented team, get em coached up and easily beat a much more indkividually talented team with bad coaching.

Absolutely, but is team success all that important in your travel experience? It's been said on here many times that colleges don't recruit teams they recruit players..FWIW, I think playing on a team with other very good players, improving personally, having a little fun, is the main goal, wins and losses are nice, but in most tournaments they don't even keep score! Only us parents know who wins and loses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say what you want but YJ coaching for the most part and especially with their top teams is much better. My daughter is also a transfer and there is no comparison the coaching at her age on YJ is fantastic. That being said I actually think the talent on the top TG team in the age group is better so if the saying holds about playing with better kids holds true it's a toss up between which team would help her improve more. I coach a younger level town team and have to say I now watch every minute of her YJ practices ,I have learned more from these 3 practices coaching wise than I did all of last year. YJ practices have a lot of team drills and team concepts while the TG practices almost seemed to be a try-out with 1 on 1 etc and individual concepts.Just my experience so far.

I can appreciate that, but it also brings forth the following question.. Am I letting my daughter play travel lacrosse so that the �Team� can get better or for �her� to get better? I don�t have the answer but I�m curious about other opinions

Learning how to play a team concept game does in my opinion make one a better individual player, ie taking the ball to the goal with your head up so you can see the double and make the correct pass etc. Honestly I am not sure what college coaches look for be it individual athletic ability , high lacrosse IQ,my guess is all the above and more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say what you want but YJ coaching for the most part and especially with their top teams is much better. My daughter is also a transfer and there is no comparison the coaching at her age on YJ is fantastic. That being said I actually think the talent on the top TG team in the age group is better so if the saying holds about playing with better kids holds true it's a toss up between which team would help her improve more. I coach a younger level town team and have to say I now watch every minute of her YJ practices ,I have learned more from these 3 practices coaching wise than I did all of last year. YJ practices have a lot of team drills and team concepts while the TG practices almost seemed to be a try-out with 1 on 1 etc and individual concepts.Just my experience so far.

I can appreciate that, but it also brings forth the following question.. Am I letting my daughter play travel lacrosse so that the �Team� can get better or for �her� to get better? I don�t have the answer but I�m curious about other opinions

Learning how to play a team concept game does in my opinion make one a better individual player, ie taking the ball to the goal with your head up so you can see the double and make the correct pass etc. Honestly I am not sure what college coaches look for be it individual athletic ability , high lacrosse IQ,my guess is all the above and more.

Unfortunately, most parents don�t feel the same way you do. From my experience with town, HS and travel ball, the focus seems to be on the individual level. It�s sad, but that�s the way it is. I was at a HS girl�s game on Monday and during the second half I overheard a conversation between two of the parents from the winning team. They were complaining that their daughter (who I think was in 8th grade) was not getting the ball enough and that the two superstars of the team were ball hogs and only pass to each other. One of the girls they complained about is a top rated player. I don�t think it mattered that their team was winning or that their daughter is fortunate enough to play with such a talented player. They were just upset that their kid didn�t get the ball enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say what you want but YJ coaching for the most part and especially with their top teams is much better. My daughter is also a transfer and there is no comparison the coaching at her age on YJ is fantastic. That being said I actually think the talent on the top TG team in the age group is better so if the saying holds about playing with better kids holds true it's a toss up between which team would help her improve more. I coach a younger level town team and have to say I now watch every minute of her YJ practices ,I have learned more from these 3 practices coaching wise than I did all of last year. YJ practices have a lot of team drills and team concepts while the TG practices almost seemed to be a try-out with 1 on 1 etc and individual concepts.Just my experience so far.

I can appreciate that, but it also brings forth the following question.. Am I letting my daughter play travel lacrosse so that the �Team� can get better or for �her� to get better? I don�t have the answer but I�m curious about other opinions

Learning how to play a team concept game does in my opinion make one a better individual player, ie taking the ball to the goal with your head up so you can see the double and make the correct pass etc. Honestly I am not sure what college coaches look for be it individual athletic ability , high lacrosse IQ,my guess is all the above and more.

Unfortunately, most parents don�t feel the same way you do. From my experience with town, HS and travel ball, the focus seems to be on the individual level. It�s sad, but that�s the way it is. I was at a HS girl�s game on Monday and during the second half I overheard a conversation between two of the parents from the winning team. They were complaining that their daughter (who I think was in 8th grade) was not getting the ball enough and that the two superstars of the team were ball hogs and only pass to each other. One of the girls they complained about is a top rated player. I don�t think it mattered that their team was winning or that their daughter is fortunate enough to play with such a talented player. They were just upset that their kid didn�t get the ball enough.

Its simple, when you get the ball you have to make things happen with it. If you don't then why is it someone else's fault.

mr maryland got thrown out of 2 tournaments, I was there. and as a town team coach , he should know better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say what you want but YJ coaching for the most part and especially with their top teams is much better. My daughter is also a transfer and there is no comparison the coaching at her age on YJ is fantastic. That being said I actually think the talent on the top TG team in the age group is better so if the saying holds about playing with better kids holds true it's a toss up between which team would help her improve more. I coach a younger level town team and have to say I now watch every minute of her YJ practices ,I have learned more from these 3 practices coaching wise than I did all of last year. YJ practices have a lot of team drills and team concepts while the TG practices almost seemed to be a try-out with 1 on 1 etc and individual concepts.Just my experience so far.

I can appreciate that, but it also brings forth the following question.. Am I letting my daughter play travel lacrosse so that the �Team� can get better or for �her� to get better? I don�t have the answer but I�m curious about other opinions

Learning how to play a team concept game does in my opinion make one a better individual player, ie taking the ball to the goal with your head up so you can see the double and make the correct pass etc. Honestly I am not sure what college coaches look for be it individual athletic ability , high lacrosse IQ,my guess is all the above and more.

Unfortunately, most parents don�t feel the same way you do. From my experience with town, HS and travel ball, the focus seems to be on the individual level. It�s sad, but that�s the way it is. I was at a HS girl�s game on Monday and during the second half I overheard a conversation between two of the parents from the winning team. They were complaining that their daughter (who I think was in 8th grade) was not getting the ball enough and that the two superstars of the team were ball hogs and only pass to each other. One of the girls they complained about is a top rated player. I don�t think it mattered that their team was winning or that their daughter is fortunate enough to play with such a talented player. They were just upset that their kid didn�t get the ball enough.

This is hilarious! Why are folks getting all bent out of shape all in the name of possibly 2000/yr in scholarship money? Im glad that Im done with this foolishness.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

mr maryland got thrown out of 2 tournaments, I was there. and as a town team coach , he should know better.

Elaboration required, when you speak in code it is difficult for us to follow you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say what you want but YJ coaching for the most part and especially with their top teams is much better. My daughter is also a transfer and there is no comparison the coaching at her age on YJ is fantastic. That being said I actually think the talent on the top TG team in the age group is better so if the saying holds about playing with better kids holds true it's a toss up between which team would help her improve more. I coach a younger level town team and have to say I now watch every minute of her YJ practices ,I have learned more from these 3 practices coaching wise than I did all of last year. YJ practices have a lot of team drills and team concepts while the TG practices almost seemed to be a try-out with 1 on 1 etc and individual concepts.Just my experience so far.

I can appreciate that, but it also brings forth the following question.. Am I letting my daughter play travel lacrosse so that the �Team� can get better or for �her� to get better? I don�t have the answer but I�m curious about other opinions

Learning how to play a team concept game does in my opinion make one a better individual player, ie taking the ball to the goal with your head up so you can see the double and make the correct pass etc. Honestly I am not sure what college coaches look for be it individual athletic ability , high lacrosse IQ,my guess is all the above and more.

Unfortunately, most parents don�t feel the same way you do. From my experience with town, HS and travel ball, the focus seems to be on the individual level. It�s sad, but that�s the way it is. I was at a HS girl�s game on Monday and during the second half I overheard a conversation between two of the parents from the winning team. They were complaining that their daughter (who I think was in 8th grade) was not getting the ball enough and that the two superstars of the team were ball hogs and only pass to each other. One of the girls they complained about is a top rated player. I don�t think it mattered that their team was winning or that their daughter is fortunate enough to play with such a talented player. They were just upset that their kid didn�t get the ball enough.

Are they YJ parents? It sounds like you�re talking about the parents everybody calls squeak and geek. She has an annoying squeaky voice and he is a geeky looking guy with glasses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

mr maryland got thrown out of 2 tournaments, I was there. and as a town team coach , he should know better.

Elaboration required, when you speak in code it is difficult for us to follow you.

They�re talking about the lunatic who left TG for YJ and is bashing the TG program. I give him one season with YJ before he is considered Persona non grata by them as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say what you want but YJ coaching for the most part and especially with their top teams is much better. My daughter is also a transfer and there is no comparison the coaching at her age on YJ is fantastic. That being said I actually think the talent on the top TG team in the age group is better so if the saying holds about playing with better kids holds true it's a toss up between which team would help her improve more. I coach a younger level town team and have to say I now watch every minute of her YJ practices ,I have learned more from these 3 practices coaching wise than I did all of last year. YJ practices have a lot of team drills and team concepts while the TG practices almost seemed to be a try-out with 1 on 1 etc and individual concepts.Just my experience so far.

I can appreciate that, but it also brings forth the following question.. Am I letting my daughter play travel lacrosse so that the �Team� can get better or for �her� to get better? I don�t have the answer but I�m curious about other opinions

Learning how to play a team concept game does in my opinion make one a better individual player, ie taking the ball to the goal with your head up so you can see the double and make the correct pass etc. Honestly I am not sure what college coaches look for be it individual athletic ability , high lacrosse IQ,my guess is all the above and more.

Unfortunately, most parents don�t feel the same way you do. From my experience with town, HS and travel ball, the focus seems to be on the individual level. It�s sad, but that�s the way it is. I was at a HS girl�s game on Monday and during the second half I overheard a conversation between two of the parents from the winning team. They were complaining that their daughter (who I think was in 8th grade) was not getting the ball enough and that the two superstars of the team were ball hogs and only pass to each other. One of the girls they complained about is a top rated player. I don�t think it mattered that their team was winning or that their daughter is fortunate enough to play with such a talented player. They were just upset that their kid didn�t get the ball enough.

Its simple, when you get the ball you have to make things happen with it. If you don't then why is it someone else's fault.

When your daughter gets the ball it is time for parents to take action. Get up and start screaming as loud as you can to "go to goal". It doesn't matter if she way outside the fan, it doesn't matter that there are 4 defenders on her, it doesn't matter that 2 of her teamates are wide open, it doesn't matter that she has limited dodging ability and is going to try to bull her way through. Heck if she does this every time she gets the ball and ends up with 4 or 5 goals at the end of the game, its says she's a great player, except she tried to do 15 times, got stripped, put up weak shots etc........ don't put your daughter up to this, its bad lacrosse. Two girls can each score 5 goals in a game, one can look elegant and efficient with a few assist to go along, and the other "go to goal" girl looks ridiculus to everyone.

This is officially the best post ever

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is officially the best post ever

It sounds like my kid, I gotta straiten her out.

I love this

Haha, we all know that parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say what you want but YJ coaching for the most part and especially with their top teams is much better. My daughter is also a transfer and there is no comparison the coaching at her age on YJ is fantastic. That being said I actually think the talent on the top TG team in the age group is better so if the saying holds about playing with better kids holds true it's a toss up between which team would help her improve more. I coach a younger level town team and have to say I now watch every minute of her YJ practices ,I have learned more from these 3 practices coaching wise than I did all of last year. YJ practices have a lot of team drills and team concepts while the TG practices almost seemed to be a try-out with 1 on 1 etc and individual concepts.Just my experience so far.

I can appreciate that, but it also brings forth the following question.. Am I letting my daughter play travel lacrosse so that the �Team� can get better or for �her� to get better? I don�t have the answer but I�m curious about other opinions

Learning how to play a team concept game does in my opinion make one a better individual player, ie taking the ball to the goal with your head up so you can see the double and make the correct pass etc. Honestly I am not sure what college coaches look for be it individual athletic ability , high lacrosse IQ,my guess is all the above and more.

Unfortunately, most parents don�t feel the same way you do. From my experience with town, HS and travel ball, the focus seems to be on the individual level. It�s sad, but that�s the way it is. I was at a HS girl�s game on Monday and during the second half I overheard a conversation between two of the parents from the winning team. They were complaining that their daughter (who I think was in 8th grade) was not getting the ball enough and that the two superstars of the team were ball hogs and only pass to each other. One of the girls they complained about is a top rated player. I don�t think it mattered that their team was winning or that their daughter is fortunate enough to play with such a talented player. They were just upset that their kid didn�t get the ball enough.

Its simple, when you get the ball you have to make things happen with it. If you don't then why is it someone else's fault.

When your daughter gets the ball it is time for parents to take action. Get up and start screaming as loud as you can to "go to goal". It doesn't matter if she way outside the fan, it doesn't matter that there are 4 defenders on her, it doesn't matter that 2 of her teamates are wide open, it doesn't matter that she has limited dodging ability and is going to try to bull her way through. Heck if she does this every time she gets the ball and ends up with 4 or 5 goals at the end of the game, its says she's a great player, except she tried to do 15 times, got stripped, put up weak shots etc........ don't put your daughter up to this, its bad lacrosse. Two girls can each score 5 goals in a game, one can look elegant and efficient with a few assist to go along, and the other "go to goal" girl looks ridiculus to everyone.

Maybe if you dress her up in neon colors she�ll look even better going to goal.

Too funny the neon hair ribbons that just scream look at me. I can say I have never seen a kid wearing all those neon ribbons and said to myself that they are the best player on the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny the neon hair ribbons that just scream look at me. I can say I have never seen a kid wearing all those neon ribbons and said to myself that they are the best player on the field.

It's sort of like Flavor Flav wearing a clock around his neck.

university of maryland product .... how proud could UM be

Originally Posted by Anonymous

mr maryland got thrown out of 2 tournaments, I was there. and as a town team coach , he should know better.

Elaboration required, when you speak in code it is difficult for us to follow you.

They�re talking about the lunatic who left TG for YJ and is bashing the TG program. I give him one season with YJ before he is considered Persona non grata by them as well.

What age group?

You're on here so I guess you're not silly!

Uniform
�Each Player Receives a Team Uniform
�First Year Player Receives -> BAG
�Second Year Player Receives -> Sweat Shirt
�Third Year Player Receives -> Sweat Pants
�Fourth Year Player Receives -> Long Sleeve Shirt

The TG website clearly states each player receives a new uniform which is included in the $1300, with perks being given the longer you are part of the organization. Bill Smith usually hands them out the practice before first tourney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

mr maryland got thrown out of 2 tournaments, I was there. and as a town team coach , he should know better.

Elaboration required, when you speak in code it is difficult for us to follow you.

They�re talking about the lunatic who left TG for YJ and is bashing the TG program. I give him one season with YJ before he is considered Persona non grata by them as well.

What age group?

I thought he was Mr. Syracuse? Isn�t he the guy that always wears the orange Syracuse hat?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Uniform
�Each Player Receives a Team Uniform
�First Year Player Receives -> BAG
�Second Year Player Receives -> Sweat Shirt
�Third Year Player Receives -> Sweat Pants
�Fourth Year Player Receives -> Long Sleeve Shirt

The TG website clearly states each player receives a new uniform which is included in the $1300, with perks being given the longer you are part of the organization. Bill Smith usually hands them out the practice before first tourney.

What a deal, but for some reason I�m having a hard time convincing my friends outside the lacrosse community.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Uniform
�Each Player Receives a Team Uniform
�First Year Player Receives -> BAG
�Second Year Player Receives -> Sweat Shirt
�Third Year Player Receives -> Sweat Pants
�Fourth Year Player Receives -> Long Sleeve Shirt

The TG website clearly states each player receives a new uniform which is included in the $1300, with perks being given the longer you are part of the organization. Bill Smith usually hands them out the practice before first tourney.

What a deal, but for some reason I�m having a hard time convincing my friends outside the lacrosse community.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Uniform
�Each Player Receives a Team Uniform
�First Year Player Receives -> BAG
�Second Year Player Receives -> Sweat Shirt
�Third Year Player Receives -> Sweat Pants
�Fourth Year Player Receives -> Long Sleeve Shirt

The TG website clearly states each player receives a new uniform which is included in the $1300, with perks being given the longer you are part of the organization. Bill Smith usually hands them out the practice before first tourney.

What a deal, but for some reason I�m having a hard time convincing my friends outside the lacrosse community.

additionally, unlike some "other" clubs the TG fee includes all tournament fee's.
I'm not sure anyone plays for the "free" swag..
that said, this is a FOR Profit organization, the hope is that the experience is worth more to you (your daughter) than what you put in ($)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Uniform
�Each Player Receives a Team Uniform
�First Year Player Receives -> BAG
�Second Year Player Receives -> Sweat Shirt
�Third Year Player Receives -> Sweat Pants
�Fourth Year Player Receives -> Long Sleeve Shirt

The TG website clearly states each player receives a new uniform which is included in the $1300, with perks being given the longer you are part of the organization. Bill Smith usually hands them out the practice before first tourney.

What a deal, but for some reason I�m having a hard time convincing my friends outside the lacrosse community.

additionally, unlike some "other" clubs the TG fee includes all tournament fee's.
I'm not sure anyone plays for the "free" swag..
that said, this is a FOR Profit organization, the hope is that the experience is worth more to you (your daughter) than what you put in ($)

$1300 club fees,$1000 hotels, $400 gas and tolls, $700 food and buying junk. Looking at $4000 to $5000 per year plus plus plus. So let's see, 5 tounaments say avg 4 games per. 20 games, but 24 kids on team so its about 10 games of playing time, say 10 hours of playing time. That breaks down to about $500 per hour to play travel lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Uniform
�Each Player Receives a Team Uniform
�First Year Player Receives -> BAG
�Second Year Player Receives -> Sweat Shirt
�Third Year Player Receives -> Sweat Pants
�Fourth Year Player Receives -> Long Sleeve Shirt

The TG website clearly states each player receives a new uniform which is included in the $1300, with perks being given the longer you are part of the organization. Bill Smith usually hands them out the practice before first tourney.

What a deal, but for some reason I�m having a hard time convincing my friends outside the lacrosse community.

additionally, unlike some "other" clubs the TG fee includes all tournament fee's.
I'm not sure anyone plays for the "free" swag..
that said, this is a FOR Profit organization, the hope is that the experience is worth more to you (your daughter) than what you put in ($)

$1300 club fees,$1000 hotels, $400 gas and tolls, $700 food and buying junk. Looking at $4000 to $5000 per year plus plus plus. So let's see, 5 tounaments say avg 4 games per. 20 games, but 24 kids on team so its about 10 games of playing time, say 10 hours of playing time. That breaks down to about $500 per hour to play travel lacrosse.

Yup, it's not for everyone. Is the experience worth the price you must pay? You may not thinks so, but many others do.

You pays your money, you makes your choice

$1300 per girl, 24 girls per team, 15 teams,
minus $5 pinnie for new girls , tourn fees = $50 per player per 5 tournaments that is quite a profit.

no that is some other idiot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

$1300 per girl, 24 girls per team, 15 teams,
minus $5 pinnie for new girls , tourn fees = $50 per player per 5 tournaments that is quite a profit.

Again- the TG website says fee INCLUDES UNIFORM- not just for new girls. Can someone who has been on the team for more than a year confirm?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

$1300 per girl, 24 girls per team, 15 teams,
minus $5 pinnie for new girls , tourn fees = $50 per player per 5 tournaments that is quite a profit.

Again- the TG website says fee INCLUDES UNIFORM- not just for new girls. Can someone who has been on the team for more than a year confirm?

My kid has had the same pinnie for three years. Her numbers have never pealed off and could care less about what she wears when she plays for TG. All she cares about is the girls that she plays with and the coaches instructing her. If the uniform is such an issue to you please find another team to play for next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

$1300 per girl, 24 girls per team, 15 teams,
minus $5 pinnie for new girls , tourn fees = $50 per player per 5 tournaments that is quite a profit.

Again- the TG website says fee INCLUDES UNIFORM- not just for new girls. Can someone who has been on the team for more than a year confirm?

My kid has had the same pinnie for three years. Her numbers have never pealed off and could care less about what she wears when she plays for TG. All she cares about is the girls that she plays with and the coaches instructing her. If the uniform is such an issue to you please find another team to play for next year.

Really?? A 3 year old uniform? That is disgusting. Shame on you for being such a coward and not demanding a new uniform every year! I have heard the organization was cheap but nor replacing a crappy pinnie and weird shorts takes it to a whole new level!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

$1300 per girl, 24 girls per team, 15 teams,
minus $5 pinnie for new girls , tourn fees = $50 per player per 5 tournaments that is quite a profit.

Again- the TG website says fee INCLUDES UNIFORM- not just for new girls. Can someone who has been on the team for more than a year confirm?

My kid has had the same pinnie for three years. Her numbers have never pealed off and could care less about what she wears when she plays for TG. All she cares about is the girls that she plays with and the coaches instructing her. If the uniform is such an issue to you please find another team to play for next year.

Really?? A 3 year old uniform? That is disgusting. Shame on you for being such a coward and not demanding a new uniform every year! I have heard the organization was cheap but nor replacing a crappy pinnie and weird shorts takes it to a whole new level!

Really?? Call someone a coward over a uniform? Get over it and stop crying . If the quality of the uniform bothers you so much just leave next year and go back to the YJ or whatever club cut your daughter and play on their teams with their beautiful uniforms . I am sure it will make her catch the ball much better!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

$1300 per girl, 24 girls per team, 15 teams,
minus $5 pinnie for new girls , tourn fees = $50 per player per 5 tournaments that is quite a profit.

Again- the TG website says fee INCLUDES UNIFORM- not just for new girls. Can someone who has been on the team for more than a year confirm?

My kid has had the same pinnie for three years. Her numbers have never pealed off and could care less about what she wears when she plays for TG. All she cares about is the girls that she plays with and the coaches instructing her. If the uniform is such an issue to you please find another team to play for next year.

Really?? A 3 year old uniform? That is disgusting. Shame on you for being such a coward and not demanding a new uniform every year! I have heard the organization was cheap but nor replacing a crappy pinnie and weird shorts takes it to a whole new level!

maybe we can hire you, and you can advocate for us cowards!
how much would you charge us?

WHATS THE BIG DEAL ABOUT UNIFORMS ? My daughter loves to play, will play in pinnie,tee shirt, rag if you want her to. Is not what this is all about doing for our children. My daughter loves to compete and thats why I spend the money and nothing more. If she was not happy with her situation I would change clubs, because thats what it is all about. HER

Enough with the uniform nonsense. Should the girls have nicer uniforms, yes.Do the girls want nicer uniforms ,yes.Will nicer uniforms make the girls play better, no.Should you pick a club based on uniforms, no.I have more of an issue with having so many kids on each team, although at least we are not YJ who have 28 kids on one of their teams, what a joke. Would be interesting to see a club that limits their teams to 20 maximum , 18 preferable. I would rather pay a little more and have less kids per team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WHATS THE BIG DEAL ABOUT UNIFORMS ? My daughter loves to play, will play in pinnie,tee shirt, rag if you want her to. Is not what this is all about doing for our children. My daughter loves to compete and thats why I spend the money and nothing more. If she was not happy with her situation I would change clubs, because thats what it is all about. HER

The big deal is when a club puts in black & white on it's website that the fee covers a uniform THEN IT SHOULD!! I don't care if it's the cheapest uniform out there (and we all agree that it is) you as the consumer should receive what you agreed to. I agree with a previous poster- 3 year old pinnies are gross.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough with the uniform nonsense. Should the girls have nicer uniforms, yes.Do the girls want nicer uniforms ,yes.Will nicer uniforms make the girls play better, no.Should you pick a club based on uniforms, no.I have more of an issue with having so many kids on each team, although at least we are not YJ who have 28 kids on one of their teams, what a joke. Would be interesting to see a club that limits their teams to 20 maximum , 18 preferable. I would rather pay a little more and have less kids per team.

28 girls on a team is a lot. I don't think we ever had more than 18 on my daughter's YJ team; usually 15 for a tournament.

I disagree on the uniform issue. Not sure it makes a player better but they do play with pride. That can make a difference.

My daughter wears her TG uniform and plays with pride.

If you don't like the uniforms, you gotta just leave. Can't [lacrosse] about it day in and day out. Just Leave!!

15 for a tourney is not the norm anymore. they will all show up, every last one of em. worst of all it is like town ball everyone plays equal time. i also would pay more for a team with only 18 kids. amen to that.

I believe Capital out of VA runs 18-20/team. Only one I know of that runs less than 20...by choice

You have to have enough players to cover those that get injured or can't make a tournament for another reason. Also, remember these tournaments are hotter than [lacrosse] more often than not, you need enough kids to play so that breaks can be given so no one drops from heat exhaustion.

The uniforms? Whatever. The site says you get a uniform, not "a uniform every year." Would I like uni's with more swag? Sure. It's far from a dealbreaker though. I don't see why a few (or just one?) are so up in arms over it, but to each his or her own. I don't think any org gives out new uni's every year. In fact, my daughter played AAU bball for a while and when she left, they wanted her uni back to give to another player, so maybe be happy the TG pinnie you received was new. Haha.

28 is ridiculous and 24 is also way to many, I have yet to see a parent complain that their kid was too tired from playing too much and have heard many a complaint about playing time. These organizations are money making machines and until someone makes a better alternative they will keep rolling in the green ,crappy uniforms and all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

28 is ridiculous and 24 is also way to many, I have yet to see a parent complain that their kid was too tired from playing too much and have heard many a complaint about playing time. These organizations are money making machines and until someone makes a better alternative they will keep rolling in the green ,crappy uniforms and all.

I agree 28 is ridiculous and 24 is high as well. I don't know the magic number but I do know the parents are dripping on the sidelines and we are not players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough with the uniform nonsense. Should the girls have nicer uniforms, yes.Do the girls want nicer uniforms ,yes.Will nicer uniforms make the girls play better, no.Should you pick a club based on uniforms, no.I have more of an issue with having so many kids on each team, although at least we are not YJ who have 28 kids on one of their teams, what a joke. Would be interesting to see a club that limits their teams to 20 maximum , 18 preferable. I would rather pay a little more and have less kids per team.

You must be talking about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. Our 2019 Black team has a lot of kids, but they all belong on this team. I can�t say that about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. There are about 5 kids that absolutely do not belong on that team. I hate to see the team split up, but maybe next year BS will add another team to reduce the roster (and make some more money).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough with the uniform nonsense. Should the girls have nicer uniforms, yes.Do the girls want nicer uniforms ,yes.Will nicer uniforms make the girls play better, no.Should you pick a club based on uniforms, no.I have more of an issue with having so many kids on each team, although at least we are not YJ who have 28 kids on one of their teams, what a joke. Would be interesting to see a club that limits their teams to 20 maximum , 18 preferable. I would rather pay a little more and have less kids per team.

You must be talking about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. Our 2019 Black team has a lot of kids, but they all belong on this team. I can�t say that about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. There are about 5 kids that absolutely do not belong on that team. I hate to see the team split up, but maybe next year BS will add another team to reduce the roster (and make some more money).

LOL! I heard some YJ parents complaining about this during winter ball. They said that there were some kids that don�t belong there and must have purchased the FAF plan. Too funny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough with the uniform nonsense. Should the girls have nicer uniforms, yes.Do the girls want nicer uniforms ,yes.Will nicer uniforms make the girls play better, no.Should you pick a club based on uniforms, no.I have more of an issue with having so many kids on each team, although at least we are not YJ who have 28 kids on one of their teams, what a joke. Would be interesting to see a club that limits their teams to 20 maximum , 18 preferable. I would rather pay a little more and have less kids per team.

You must be talking about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. Our 2019 Black team has a lot of kids, but they all belong on this team. I can�t say that about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. There are about 5 kids that absolutely do not belong on that team. I hate to see the team split up, but maybe next year BS will add another team to reduce the roster (and make some more money).

LOL! I heard some YJ parents complaining about this during winter ball. They said that there were some kids that don�t belong there and must have purchased the FAF plan. Too funny.

Out of those 28 kids, how many truly belong on that team? I�m sure some of the parents that have kids who deserve to be there don�t like this at all. I know I wouldn�t.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

28 is ridiculous and 24 is also way to many, I have yet to see a parent complain that their kid was too tired from playing too much and have heard many a complaint about playing time. These organizations are money making machines and until someone makes a better alternative they will keep rolling in the green ,crappy uniforms and all.

I agree 28 is ridiculous and 24 is high as well. I don't know the magic number but I do know the parents are dripping on the sidelines and we are not players.

Coachingwise, 18-20 is ideal for a game. A weekend tournament, 22 is good. The girls are tired by the end of a hot summer weekend. More than that on the sidelines makes for cranky families...drive 4-6 hours and little Sally only plays a few minutes a game.... No good for anyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough with the uniform nonsense. Should the girls have nicer uniforms, yes.Do the girls want nicer uniforms ,yes.Will nicer uniforms make the girls play better, no.Should you pick a club based on uniforms, no.I have more of an issue with having so many kids on each team, although at least we are not YJ who have 28 kids on one of their teams, what a joke. Would be interesting to see a club that limits their teams to 20 maximum , 18 preferable. I would rather pay a little more and have less kids per team.

You must be talking about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. Our 2019 Black team has a lot of kids, but they all belong on this team. I can�t say that about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. There are about 5 kids that absolutely do not belong on that team. I hate to see the team split up, but maybe next year BS will add another team to reduce the roster (and make some more money).

Don't fool yourself, yes 28 way too many and there are some who do not belong but if you think all the kids on the 2019 TG black team are elite players you have no clue. The friends and family plan is starting to take shape on this team also ,there are several players from the same town team who have no business being on this team but that town has connections.Matter of fact the team has gotten weaker from last year in that some of the 2020 kids who moved down were stronger than some of the replacements.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

28 is ridiculous and 24 is also way to many, I have yet to see a parent complain that their kid was too tired from playing too much and have heard many a complaint about playing time. These organizations are money making machines and until someone makes a better alternative they will keep rolling in the green ,crappy uniforms and all.

I agree 28 is ridiculous and 24 is high as well. I don't know the magic number but I do know the parents are dripping on the sidelines and we are not players.

Coachingwise, 18-20 is ideal for a game. A weekend tournament, 22 is good. The girls are tired by the end of a hot summer weekend. More than that on the sidelines makes for cranky families...drive 4-6 hours and little Sally only plays a few minutes a game.... No good for anyone.

This sounds reasonable to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough with the uniform nonsense. Should the girls have nicer uniforms, yes.Do the girls want nicer uniforms ,yes.Will nicer uniforms make the girls play better, no.Should you pick a club based on uniforms, no.I have more of an issue with having so many kids on each team, although at least we are not YJ who have 28 kids on one of their teams, what a joke. Would be interesting to see a club that limits their teams to 20 maximum , 18 preferable. I would rather pay a little more and have less kids per team.

You must be talking about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. Our 2019 Black team has a lot of kids, but they all belong on this team. I can�t say that about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. There are about 5 kids that absolutely do not belong on that team. I hate to see the team split up, but maybe next year BS will add another team to reduce the roster (and make some more money).

Don't fool yourself, yes 28 way too many and there are some who do not belong but if you think all the kids on the 2019 TG black team are elite players you have no clue. The friends and family plan is starting to take shape on this team also ,there are several players from the same town team who have no business being on this team but that town has connections.Matter of fact the team has gotten weaker from last year in that some of the 2020 kids who moved down were stronger than some of the replacements.

I'd rather take 2019 Black than the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough with the uniform nonsense. Should the girls have nicer uniforms, yes.Do the girls want nicer uniforms ,yes.Will nicer uniforms make the girls play better, no.Should you pick a club based on uniforms, no.I have more of an issue with having so many kids on each team, although at least we are not YJ who have 28 kids on one of their teams, what a joke. Would be interesting to see a club that limits their teams to 20 maximum , 18 preferable. I would rather pay a little more and have less kids per team.

You must be talking about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. Our 2019 Black team has a lot of kids, but they all belong on this team. I can�t say that about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. There are about 5
kids that absolutely do not belong on that team. I hate to see the team split up, but
maybe next year BS will add another team to reduce the roster (and make some more
money).

Don't fool yourself, yes 28 way too many and there are some who do not belong but if you think all the kids on the 2019 TG black team are elite players you have no clue. The friends and family plan is starting to take shape on this team also ,there are several players from the same town team who have no business being on this team but that town has connections.Matter of fact the team has gotten weaker from last year in that some of the 2020 kids who moved down were stronger than some of the replacements.

I'd rather take 2019 Black than the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team.

Well I'm sure you will play each other some time this summer probably at Nat'l Draw and you can judge the talent there and then.

TG wins at that age because their top players are better than YJ top players .Back half of teams are about equal.Eventually I think it will get very close with YJ overtaking them because YJ 2nd team( whatever they are being called these days) is much better compared to purple team and eventually the better players will replace the lesser kids on Carro. Also the coaching is not even remotely on the same level between these two teams.Very familiar with both these teams and to be honest glad my kid is on lower level team as both teams are filled with kids who rarely pass the ball and are complete ball hogs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough with the uniform nonsense. Should the girls have nicer uniforms, yes.Do the girls want nicer uniforms ,yes.Will nicer uniforms make the girls play better, no.Should you pick a club based on uniforms, no.I have more of an issue with having so many kids on each team, although at least we are not YJ who have 28 kids on one of their teams, what a joke. Would be interesting to see a club that limits their teams to 20 maximum , 18 preferable. I would rather pay a little more and have less kids per team.

You must be talking about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. Our 2019 Black team has a lot of kids, but they all belong on this team. I can�t say that about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. There are about 5
kids that absolutely do not belong on that team. I hate to see the team split up, but
maybe next year BS will add another team to reduce the roster (and make some more
money).

Don't fool yourself, yes 28 way too many and there are some who do not belong but if you think all the kids on the 2019 TG black team are elite players you have no clue. The friends and family plan is starting to take shape on this team also ,there are several players from the same town team who have no business being on this team but that town has connections.Matter of fact the team has gotten weaker from last year in that some of the 2020 kids who moved down were stronger than some of the replacements.

I'd rather take 2019 Black than the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team.

Well I'm sure you will play each other some time this summer probably at Nat'l Draw and you can judge the talent there and then.

You would be wrong. For whatever reason these clubs flat out do not play each other at the younger ages, fact. YJ team will play other YJ teams meanwhile there is a tournament going on. I don't get it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG wins at that age because their top players are better than YJ top players .Back half of teams are about equal.Eventually I think it will get very close with YJ overtaking them because YJ 2nd team( whatever they are being called these days) is much better compared to purple team and eventually the better players will replace the lesser kids on Carro. Also the coaching is not even remotely on the same level between these two teams.Very familiar with both these teams and to be honest glad my kid is on lower level team as both teams are filled with kids who rarely pass the ball and are complete ball hogs.

Don�t kid yourself. The lesser kids on Carro aren�t going anywhere. Don�t be surprised if you see some more FAF next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough with the uniform nonsense. Should the girls have nicer uniforms, yes.Do the girls want nicer uniforms ,yes.Will nicer uniforms make the girls play better, no.Should you pick a club based on uniforms, no.I have more of an issue with having so many kids on each team, although at least we are not YJ who have 28 kids on one of their teams, what a joke. Would be interesting to see a club that limits their teams to 20 maximum , 18 preferable. I would rather pay a little more and have less kids per team.

You must be talking about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. Our 2019 Black team has a lot of kids, but they all belong on this team. I can�t say that about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. There are about 5
kids that absolutely do not belong on that team. I hate to see the team split up, but
maybe next year BS will add another team to reduce the roster (and make some more
money).

Don't fool yourself, yes 28 way too many and there are some who do not belong but if you think all the kids on the 2019 TG black team are elite players you have no clue. The friends and family plan is starting to take shape on this team also ,there are several players from the same town team who have no business being on this team but that town has connections.Matter of fact the team has gotten weaker from last year in that some of the 2020 kids who moved down were stronger than some of the replacements.

I'd rather take 2019 Black than the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team.

Well I'm sure you will play each other some time this summer probably at Nat'l Draw and you can judge the talent there and then.

You would be wrong. For whatever reason these clubs flat out do not play each other at the younger ages, fact. YJ team will play other YJ teams meanwhile there is a tournament going on. I don't get it.

only way to avoid each other in championship format is to lose

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough with the uniform nonsense. Should the girls have nicer uniforms, yes.Do the girls want nicer uniforms ,yes.Will nicer uniforms make the girls play better, no.Should you pick a club based on uniforms, no.I have more of an issue with having so many kids on each team, although at least we are not YJ who have 28 kids on one of their teams, what a joke. Would be interesting to see a club that limits their teams to 20 maximum , 18 preferable. I would rather pay a little more and have less kids per team.

You must be talking about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. Our 2019 Black team has a lot of kids, but they all belong on this team. I can�t say that about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. There are about 5 kids that absolutely do not belong on that team. I hate to see the team split up, but maybe next year BS will add another team to reduce the roster (and make some more money).

Don't fool yourself, yes 28 way too many and there are some who do not belong but if you think all the kids on the 2019 TG black team are elite players you have no clue. The friends and family plan is starting to take shape on this team also ,there are several players from the same town team who have no business being on this team but that town has connections.Matter of fact the team has gotten weaker from last year in that some of the 2020 kids who moved down were stronger than some of the replacements.

What town team are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough with the uniform nonsense. Should the girls have nicer uniforms, yes.Do the girls want nicer uniforms ,yes.Will nicer uniforms make the girls play better, no.Should you pick a club based on uniforms, no.I have more of an issue with having so many kids on each team, although at least we are not YJ who have 28 kids on one of their teams, what a joke. Would be interesting to see a club that limits their teams to 20 maximum , 18 preferable. I would rather pay a little more and have less kids per team.

You must be talking about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. Our 2019 Black team has a lot of kids, but they all belong on this team. I can�t say that about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. There are about 5
kids that absolutely do not belong on that team. I hate to see the team split up, but
maybe next year BS will add another team to reduce the roster (and make some more
money).

Don't fool yourself, yes 28 way too many and there are some who do not belong but if you think all the kids on the 2019 TG black team are elite players you have no clue. The friends and family plan is starting to take shape on this team also ,there are several players from the same town team who have no business being on this team but that town has connections.Matter of fact the team has gotten weaker from last year in that some of the 2020 kids who moved down were stronger than some of the replacements.

I'd rather take 2019 Black than the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team.

Well I'm sure you will play each other some time this summer probably at Nat'l Draw and you can judge the talent there and then.

You would be wrong. For whatever reason these clubs flat out do not play each other at the younger ages, fact. YJ team will play other YJ teams meanwhile there is a tournament going on. I don't get it.

The 2018 teams played each other last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG wins at that age because their top players are better than YJ top players .Back half of teams are about equal.Eventually I think it will get very close with YJ overtaking them because YJ 2nd team( whatever they are being called these days) is much better compared to purple team and eventually the better players will replace the lesser kids on Carro. Also the coaching is not even remotely on the same level between these two teams.Very familiar with both these teams and to be honest glad my kid is on lower level team as both teams are filled with kids who rarely pass the ball and are complete ball hogs.

Don�t kid yourself. The lesser kids on Carro aren�t going anywhere. Don�t be surprised if you see some more FAF next year.

Eventually they do get moved, have seen it before many times.You can have all the connections you want but eventually CR wants her top team to win and changes get made.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG wins at that age because their top players are better than YJ top players .Back half of teams are about equal.Eventually I think it will get very close with YJ overtaking them because YJ 2nd team( whatever they are being called these days) is much better compared to purple team and eventually the better players will replace the lesser kids on Carro. Also the coaching is not even remotely on the same level between these two teams.Very familiar with both these teams and to be honest glad my kid is on lower level team as both teams are filled with kids who rarely pass the ball and are complete ball hogs.

Don�t kid yourself. The lesser kids on Carro aren�t going anywhere. Don�t be surprised if you see some more FAF next year.

Eventually they do get moved, have seen it before many times.You can have all the connections you want but eventually CR wants her top team to win and changes get made.

I can personally agree to this. When my daughter played YJ she moved up each year. Her first year on YJ was after 9th grade--started playing in 8th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough with the uniform nonsense. Should the girls have nicer uniforms, yes.Do the girls want nicer uniforms ,yes.Will nicer uniforms make the girls play better, no.Should you pick a club based on uniforms, no.I have more of an issue with having so many kids on each team, although at least we are not YJ who have 28 kids on one of their teams, what a joke. Would be interesting to see a club that limits their teams to 20 maximum , 18 preferable. I would rather pay a little more and have less kids per team.

You must be talking about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. Our 2019 Black team has a lot of kids, but they all belong on this team. I can�t say that about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. There are about 5 kids that absolutely do not belong on that team. I hate to see the team split up, but maybe next year BS will add another team to reduce the roster (and make some more money).

Funny thing is some kids from the town you mention were moved off the team while TG black picked up a few who were unable to make it on the top YJ team in past years.Maybe they worked hard in the off-season and got better maybe its easier to make TG black. In my opinion which is a bit of a contradiction Tg wins at this age group but their team is easier to make, go figure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough with the uniform nonsense. Should the girls have nicer uniforms, yes.Do the girls want nicer uniforms ,yes.Will nicer uniforms make the girls play better, no.Should you pick a club based on uniforms, no.I have more of an issue with having so many kids on each team, although at least we are not YJ who have 28 kids on one of their teams, what a joke. Would be interesting to see a club that limits their teams to 20 maximum , 18 preferable. I would rather pay a little more and have less kids per team.

You must be talking about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. Our 2019 Black team has a lot of kids, but they all belong on this team. I can�t say that about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. There are about 5 kids that absolutely do not belong on that team. I hate to see the team split up, but maybe next year BS will add another team to reduce the roster (and make some more money).

Funny thing is some kids from the town you mention were moved off the team while TG black picked up a few who were unable to make it on the top YJ team in past years.Maybe they worked hard in the off-season and got better maybe its easier to make TG black. In my opinion which is a bit of a contradiction Tg wins at this age group but their team is easier to make, go figure.

None of the new kids on TG Black or TG Purple came from 2019 Blue Carro/ Mt. Sinai/ Friends and Family.

Where are they from?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG wins at that age because their top players are better than YJ top players .Back half of teams are about equal.Eventually I think it will get very close with YJ overtaking them because YJ 2nd team( whatever they are being called these days) is much better compared to purple team and eventually the better players will replace the lesser kids on Carro. Also the coaching is not even remotely on the same level between these two teams.Very familiar with both these teams and to be honest glad my kid is on lower level team as both teams are filled with kids who rarely pass the ball and are complete ball hogs.

Don�t kid yourself. The lesser kids on Carro aren�t going anywhere. Don�t be surprised if you see some more FAF next year.

don't be surprosed if pm takes over the team after next year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough with the uniform nonsense. Should the girls have nicer uniforms, yes.Do the girls want nicer uniforms ,yes.Will nicer uniforms make the girls play better, no.Should you pick a club based on uniforms, no.I have more of an issue with having so many kids on each team, although at least we are not YJ who have 28 kids on one of their teams, what a joke. Would be interesting to see a club that limits their teams to 20 maximum , 18 preferable. I would rather pay a little more and have less kids per team.

You must be talking about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. Our 2019 Black team has a lot of kids, but they all belong on this team. I can�t say that about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. There are about 5 kids that absolutely do not belong on that team. I hate to see the team split up, but maybe next year BS will add another team to reduce the roster (and make some more money).

Funny thing is some kids from the town you mention were moved off the team while TG black picked up a few who were unable to make it on the top YJ team in past years.Maybe they worked hard in the off-season and got better maybe its easier to make TG black. In my opinion which is a bit of a contradiction Tg wins at this age group but their team is easier to make, go figure.

None of the new kids on TG Black or TG Purple came from 2019 Blue Carro/ Mt. Sinai/ Friends and Family.

2017 black has some Suffolk/YJ players who are not happy. Purple looks a team of physical players who giggle after the job is done. Both teams have awesome talent, just need the best chemistry

I know it is tough to judge different age groups but what tg team do you think has the most talent?
No wise a** answers please!

2015 black

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough with the uniform nonsense. Should the girls have nicer uniforms, yes.Do the girls want nicer uniforms ,yes.Will nicer uniforms make the girls play better, no.Should you pick a club based on uniforms, no.I have more of an issue with having so many kids on each team, although at least we are not YJ who have 28 kids on one of their teams, what a joke. Would be interesting to see a club that limits their teams to 20 maximum , 18 preferable. I would rather pay a little more and have less kids per team.

You must be talking about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. Our 2019 Black team has a lot of kids, but they all belong on this team. I can�t say that about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. There are about 5 kids that absolutely do not belong on that team. I hate to see the team split up, but maybe next year BS will add another team to reduce the roster (and make some more money).

Funny thing is some kids from the town you mention were moved off the team while TG black picked up a few who were unable to make it on the top YJ team in past years.Maybe they worked hard in the off-season and got better maybe its easier to make TG black. In my opinion which is a bit of a contradiction Tg wins at this age group but their team is easier to make, go figure.

None of the new kids on TG Black or TG Purple came from 2019 Blue Carro/ Mt. Sinai/ Friends and Family.

2017 black has some Suffolk/YJ players who are not happy. Purple looks a team of physical players who giggle after the job is done. Both teams have awesome talent, just need the best chemistry

thought 2017 was probably the weakest talent pool last year, hopefully beter this year

2015 black, I also think 2017 has strong players and 2018 has a great goalie

Great is a bit of a stretch. She is a good goalie

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great is a bit of a stretch. She is a good goalie

Your right, she is good, not great. YJ 2018 blue has advantage at that position which may be the balancing point between those two teams. So I agree with most of the post on here that TG certainly has attractted some talent, but I also agree the YJs may have the edge coaching. Many of the young coaches on TGs are great players and many will become great coaches, but they are young and need the time to get there. Everyone on here should be happy that the other club (you don't belong to) exisists. Instead of hating, know that even though things may be rosey with your team/club right now, a lot can happen in a year or two and like many others, you may be looking to switch. Grass isn't always greener, but sometimes it most certainly is.

2016 black best on LI, beat (i mean crushed) allstars and allstars beat YJ twice. do the math.

2015 black has good goalie, 1 super star middie, 1 super star attacker, 2 very good middie players. thats it. never beat YJ blue, never beat MD, never won A level tournament in 5 years

The question was. Which top guns team had the most talent, not who was better than any other club team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough with the uniform nonsense. Should the girls have nicer uniforms, yes.Do the girls want nicer uniforms ,yes.Will nicer uniforms make the girls play better, no.Should you pick a club based on uniforms, no.I have more of an issue with having so many kids on each team, although at least we are not YJ who have 28 kids on one of their teams, what a joke. Would be interesting to see a club that limits their teams to 20 maximum , 18 preferable. I would rather pay a little more and have less kids per team.

You must be talking about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. Our 2019 Black team has a lot of kids, but they all belong on this team. I can�t say that about the 2019 Blue Carrow/ Mt. Sinai/Friends and Family team. There are about 5 kids that absolutely do not belong on that team. I hate to see the team split up, but maybe next year BS will add another team to reduce the roster (and make some more money).

Funny thing is some kids from the town you mention were moved off the team while TG black picked up a few who were unable to make it on the top YJ team in past years.Maybe they worked hard in the off-season and got better maybe its easier to make TG black. In my opinion which is a bit of a contradiction Tg wins at this age group but their team is easier to make, go figure.

None of the new kids on TG Black or TG Purple came from 2019 Blue Carro/ Mt. Sinai/ Friends and Family.

2017 black has some Suffolk/YJ players who are not happy. Purple looks a team of physical players who giggle after the job is done. Both teams have awesome talent, just need the best chemistry

thought 2017 was probably the weakest talent pool last year, hopefully beter this year

Hopefully purple got a new goalie. If not youz iz screwed!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG wins at that age because their top players are better than YJ top players .Back half of teams are about equal.Eventually I think it will get very close with YJ overtaking them because YJ 2nd team( whatever they are being called these days) is much better compared to purple team and eventually the better players will replace the lesser kids on Carro. Also the coaching is not even remotely on the same level between these two teams.Very familiar with both these teams and to be honest glad my kid is on lower level team as both teams are filled with kids who rarely pass the ball and are complete ball hogs.

Don�t kid yourself. The lesser kids on Carro aren�t going anywhere. Don�t be surprised if you see some more FAF next year.

don't be surprosed if pm takes over the team after next year

I think he already calls the shots on that team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The question was. Which top guns team had the most talent, not who was better than any other club team

You are on an open internet forum, just because you post a pointed question you surely can't expect people to stay on your topic for the rest of the threads exisitence. You have no control of what will be discussed, if you can't handle that, you may want to tune out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2015 black has good goalie, 1 super star middie, 1 super star attacker, 2 very good middie players. thats it. never beat YJ blue, never beat MD, never won A level tournament in 5 years

5 years? You do know TGs is a new organization and have only played 3 summer seasons??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2016 black best on LI, beat (i mean crushed) allstars and allstars beat YJ twice. do the math.

You lost to skywalkers at same tourney who YJ then went on to crush so your math skills are about as good as your lacrosse, which is to say not very good. You have also lost to YJ top teams any time you have played them directly.Try to win some championship tournament before you start saying how good you are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You lost to skywalkers at same tourney who YJ then went on to crush so your math skills are about as good as your lacrosse, which is to say not very good. You have also lost to YJ top teams any time you have played them directly.Try to win some championship tournament before you start saying how good you are.

So defensive. Wonder why...

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You lost to skywalkers at same tourney who YJ then went on to crush so your math skills are about as good as your lacrosse, which is to say not very good. You have also lost to YJ top teams any time you have played them directly.Try to win some championship tournament before you start saying how good you are.

So defensive. Wonder why...

I'm defensive because Carol told me to.

Only looking to stir the pot! Why anyone is even answering you is beyond me. Go troll on another message board!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know it is tough to judge different age groups but what tg team do you think has the most talent?
No wise a** answers please!

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You lost to skywalkers at same tourney who YJ then went on to crush so your math skills are about as good as your lacrosse, which is to say not very good. You have also lost to YJ top teams any time you have played them directly.Try to win some championship tournament before you start saying how good you are.

So defensive. Wonder why...

Tired of hearing the blowhard 2016 parents .2015 easily has the most talent ,unfortunately for them so does YJ and sky walkers in this age group.The top players from TG2015 are way more accomplished than TG 2016 , the players and teams are not comparable .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2016 black best on LI, beat (i mean crushed) allstars and allstars beat YJ twice. do the math.

You lost to skywalkers at same tourney who YJ then went on to crush so your math skills are about as good as your lacrosse, which is to say not very good. You have also lost to YJ top teams any time you have played them directly.Try to win some championship tournament before you start saying how good you are.

Not so fast Elliot Ness. TG 2015 lost a last minute one goal game to Skywalkers 2015 who then went on to crush YJ 2015 at the U15's in Florida.

2017 has talent on both teams, I think as the season goes on we may see some surprise switches being made. Bill and Shannon are looking to build a dynasty and the right combination of talent and sportsmanship will make this the team that makes people talk.
Looking forwardvto walking the circuit and making new friends, good luck girls, have fun families!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 has talent on both teams, I think as the season goes on we may see some surprise switches being made. Bill and Shannon are looking to build a dynasty and the right combination of talent and sportsmanship will make this the team that makes people talk.
Looking forwardvto walking the circuit and making new friends, good luck girls, have fun families!

Sounds like your new to TG, and welcome. Surprise switches? Maybe switch up the roster for next year, highly doubt they would mess with roster this year. If the second team has talent on it and good chemistry, it may be best to let them stay there and build on top of that. They should follow YJ lead and lose the color designation, have no A or B tag, this would lend itself to girls remaining on a team that could rise above the so called A team and be the better team without moving girls around on rosters year to year. It would also confuse parents of new girls trying out as to which team they actually made so the would get less people walking away from rejection of the black team. While some of the black teams may have the majority of the talent, there are many players on the purple teams that are way better than most on black, but that's the politics of it all. Moving from YJ to TG, the politics are just as bad .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 has talent on both teams, I think as the season goes on we may see some surprise switches being made. Bill and Shannon are looking to build a dynasty and the right combination of talent and sportsmanship will make this the team that makes people talk.
Looking forwardvto walking the circuit and making new friends, good luck girls, have fun families!

Sounds like your new to TG, and welcome. Surprise switches? Maybe switch up the roster for next year, highly doubt they would mess with roster this year. If the second team has talent on it and good chemistry, it may be best to let them stay there and build on top of that. They should follow YJ lead and lose the color designation, have no A or B tag, this would lend itself to girls remaining on a team that could rise above the so called A team and be the better team without moving girls around on rosters year to year. It would also confuse parents of new girls trying out as to which team they actually made so the would get less people walking away from rejection of the black team. While some of the black teams may have the majority of the talent, there are many players on the purple teams that are way better than most on black, but that's the politics of it all. Moving from YJ to TG, the politics are just as bad .

It sounds as if TG has followed YJ lead by initiating the friends and family plan.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2016 black best on LI, beat (i mean crushed) allstars and allstars beat YJ twice. do the math.

You lost to skywalkers at same tourney who YJ then went on to crush so your math skills are about as good as your lacrosse, which is to say not very good. You have also lost to YJ top teams any time you have played them directly.Try to win some championship tournament before you start saying how good you are.

Not so fast Elliot Ness. TG 2015 lost a last minute one goal game to Skywalkers 2015 who then went on to crush YJ 2015 at the U15's in Florida.

Are you really this dense. First off the we lost by less to the same team argument is childish at best, second you are using 2015 teams to make statements about a completely different 2016 age group.If you are going to use sarcasm at least have a clue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 has talent on both teams, I think as the season goes on we may see some surprise switches being made. Bill and Shannon are looking to build a dynasty and the right combination of talent and sportsmanship will make this the team that makes people talk.
Looking forwardvto walking the circuit and making new friends, good luck girls, have fun families!

Not sold on 2017, saw them play M&D at CNC last summer....awful lot of work to do to even get into the "Top Teams" discussion. Don't get too many cracks at the top teams so gotta make them count.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 has talent on both teams, I think as the season goes on we may see some surprise switches being made. Bill and Shannon are looking to build a dynasty and the right combination of talent and sportsmanship will make this the team that makes people talk.
Looking forwardvto walking the circuit and making new friends, good luck girls, have fun families!

Not sold on 2017, saw them play M&D at CNC last summer....awful lot of work to do to even get into the "Top Teams" discussion. Don't get too many cracks at the top teams so gotta make them count.

I agree

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 has talent on both teams, I think as the season goes on we may see some surprise switches being made. Bill and Shannon are looking to build a dynasty and the right combination of talent and sportsmanship will make this the team that makes people talk.
Looking forwardvto walking the circuit and making new friends, good luck girls, have fun families!

Sounds like your new to TG, and welcome. Surprise switches? Maybe switch up the roster for next year, highly doubt they would mess with roster this year. If the second team has talent on it and good chemistry, it may be best to let them stay there and build on top of that. They should follow YJ lead and lose the color designation, have no A or B tag, this would lend itself to girls remaining on a team that could rise above the so called A team and be the better team without moving girls around on rosters year to year. It would also confuse parents of new girls trying out as to which team they actually made so the would get less people walking away from rejection of the black team. While some of the black teams may have the majority of the talent, there are many players on the purple teams that are way better than most on black, but that's the politics of it all. Moving from YJ to TG, the politics are just as bad .

It sounds as if TG has followed YJ lead by initiating the friends and family plan.

Can someone please explain to me what is meant by friends and family plan?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 has talent on both teams, I think as the season goes on we may see some surprise switches being made. Bill and Shannon are looking to build a dynasty and the right combination of talent and sportsmanship will make this the team that makes people talk.
Looking forwardvto walking the circuit and making new friends, good luck girls, have fun families!

Sounds like your new to TG, and welcome. Surprise switches? Maybe switch up the roster for next year, highly doubt they would mess with roster this year. If the second team has talent on it and good chemistry, it may be best to let them stay there and build on top of that. They should follow YJ lead and lose the color designation, have no A or B tag, this would lend itself to girls remaining on a team that could rise above the so called A team and be the better team without moving girls around on rosters year to year. It would also confuse parents of new girls trying out as to which team they actually made so the would get less people walking away from rejection of the black team. While some of the black teams may have the majority of the talent, there are many players on the purple teams that are way better than most on black, but that's the politics of it all. Moving from YJ to TG, the politics are just as bad .

It sounds as if TG has followed YJ lead by initiating the friends and family plan.

Can someone please explain to me what is meant by friends and family plan?

Some poster made up a term to describe the politics of the clubs that gets certain girls on teams that they wouldn't otherwise make without some sort of "friend or family" connection to a director, coach or whatever. That poster must be proud of their little phrase as they are wearing the term out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 has talent on both teams, I think as the season goes on we may see some surprise switches being made. Bill and Shannon are looking to build a dynasty and the right combination of talent and sportsmanship will make this the team that makes people talk.
Looking forwardvto walking the circuit and making new friends, good luck girls, have fun families!

Sounds like your new to TG, and welcome. Surprise switches? Maybe switch up the roster for next year, highly doubt they would mess with roster this year. If the second team has talent on it and good chemistry, it may be best to let them stay there and build on top of that. They should follow YJ lead and lose the color designation, have no A or B tag, this would lend itself to girls remaining on a team that could rise above the so called A team and be the better team without moving girls around on rosters year to year. It would also confuse parents of new girls trying out as to which team they actually made so the would get less people walking away from rejection of the black team. While some of the black teams may have the majority of the talent, there are many players on the purple teams that are way better than most on black, but that's the politics of it all. Moving from YJ to TG, the politics are just as bad .

It sounds as if TG has followed YJ lead by initiating the friends and family plan.

Can someone please explain to me what is meant by friends and family plan?

It means that someone feels certain players do not deserve to be on a certain team and only get put put there because they are either friends or family of the powers that be. Whether this is correct or just sour grapes is always an open issue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 has talent on both teams, I think as the season goes on we may see some surprise switches being made. Bill and Shannon are looking to build a dynasty and the right combination of talent and sportsmanship will make this the team that makes people talk.
Looking forwardvto walking the circuit and making new friends, good luck girls, have fun families!

Sounds like your new to TG, and welcome. Surprise switches? Maybe switch up the roster for next year, highly doubt they would mess with roster this year. If the second team has talent on it and good chemistry, it may be best to let them stay there and build on top of that. They should follow YJ lead and lose the color designation, have no A or B tag, this would lend itself to girls remaining on a team that could rise above the so called A team and be the better team without moving girls around on rosters year to year. It would also confuse parents of new girls trying out as to which team they actually made so the would get less people walking away from rejection of the black team. While some of the black teams may have the majority of the talent, there are many players on the purple teams that are way better than most on black, but that's the politics of it all. Moving from YJ to TG, the politics are just as bad .

It sounds as if TG has followed YJ lead by initiating the friends and family plan.

Can someone please explain to me what is meant by friends and family plan?

It means that someone feels certain players do not deserve to be on a certain team and only get put put there because they are either friends or family of the powers that be. Whether this is correct or just sour grapes is always an open issue.

In most cases (99%), I�d say this is correct, not sour grapes. However, if it bothers you, you�re better off letting it go, because there is nothing you can do about it. Just thank god that your daughter is not one of the kids being labeled as a FAF.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 has talent on both teams, I think as the season goes on we may see some surprise switches being made. Bill and Shannon are looking to build a dynasty and the right combination of talent and sportsmanship will make this the team that makes people talk.
Looking forwardvto walking the circuit and making new friends, good luck girls, have fun families!

Sounds like your new to TG, and welcome. Surprise switches? Maybe switch up the roster for next year, highly doubt they would mess with roster this year. If the second team has talent on it and good chemistry, it may be best to let them stay there and build on top of that. They should follow YJ lead and lose the color designation, have no A or B tag, this would lend itself to girls remaining on a team that could rise above the so called A team and be the better team without moving girls around on rosters year to year. It would also confuse parents of new girls trying out as to which team they actually made so the would get less people walking away from rejection of the black team. While some of the black teams may have the majority of the talent, there are many players on the purple teams that are way better than most on black, but that's the politics of it all. Moving from YJ to TG, the politics are just as bad .

It sounds as if TG has followed YJ lead by initiating the friends and family plan.

Can someone please explain to me what is meant by friends and family plan?

It means that someone feels certain players do not deserve to be on a certain team and only get put put there because they are either friends or family of the powers that be. Whether this is correct or just sour grapes is always an open issue.

In most cases (99%), I�d say this is correct, not sour grapes. However, if it bothers you, you�re better off letting it go, because there is nothing you can do about it. Just thank god that your daughter is not one of the kids being labeled as a FAF.

Borderline cases really don't bother me. Don't even mind obvious cases, but I do feel bad for kids in this position that are put in situations where they don't belong. The only time it bothers me is when it is a coaches kid, and they dont belong yet somehow they get more playing time cause mom or dad does the sub rotation.

Anyone know if the new uniforms came in? My daughter 2018 missed the last practice and outgrew hers from last year. Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know if the new uniforms came in? My daughter 2018 missed the last practice and outgrew hers from last year. Thanks

If you are stirring the pot at least put an apron on....Geez!!!! Your comment is very transparent.

I heard in order to save money the players are now going to share pinnies so you better find someone from an older team that is the same number.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know if the new uniforms came in? My daughter 2018 missed the last practice and outgrew hers from last year. Thanks

Don't you mean... My daughter got cut and I can't get over it! Even the nice YJ D team uniform can't help you get over it!

I take that to mean all stars are the best then.

Not 1 Top Gun girl made the Brine team. Numerous YJ girls did, wow

post the list

Ummm obviously you don't know who is who because your wrong

The coaches daughter made it... how funny... no conflict of interest there. i'm sure she had a great tryout

Actually only 4 YJ.....more than half the team is Team Elevate...
Team elevate coach ran the tryout. Congrats to the girls selected....

Actually I see (5) girls from the TG 2018 team...(3) on the roster and (2) alternates...I would assume that is pretty good considering I would expect a majority to be 2017's

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The coaches daughter made it... how funny... no conflict of interest there. i'm sure she had a great tryout

Middle school Team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually only 4 YJ.....more than half the team is Team Elevate...
Team elevate coach ran the tryout. Congrats to the girls selected....

I guess thats why the Elevate girls were not at the Under Armour tryout. Everyone is serving that Home Cooking.

Brine thing is a joke, pure money making thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually only 4 YJ.....more than half the team is Team Elevate...
Team elevate coach ran the tryout. Congrats to the girls selected....

I guess thats why the Elevate girls were not at the Under Armour tryout. Everyone is serving that Home Cooking.

Under Armour Starts in 9th grade.

national draw schedule not available yet, has to be sent to CR for approval, YJ teams must get easy brackets.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually I see (5) girls from the TG 2018 team...(3) on the roster and (2) alternates...I would assume that is pretty good considering I would expect a majority to be 2017's

familiar with most of the girls who tried out, seeing who landed where really has me scratching my head. I guess having seen many of these girls play alot of games , i know where they stack up. I guess it can be pinned on the imperfect world of tryouts and politics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

national draw schedule not available yet, has to be sent to CR for approval, YJ teams must get easy brackets.

Believe me YJ would love to play Top Guns teams. Any age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brine thing is a joke, pure money making thing.

Agreed, as soon as I saw the "evaluators" I knew I wasted my money and my daughter's time. 3 girls who made the team happened to have cramps at the same time and missed a good 20 minutes of "tryouts" and did nothing when they participated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Believe me YJ would love to play Top Guns teams. Any age.

This statement is not true. We have it from the horse's mouth. The exact quote was "Why should my club offer these challengers a chance to play us?" If it was true, let's see how many Yellow Jackets teams show up at Long Island's premier recruiting event for 2013, the LacroSSe-By-3 ClaSSic.

Cage ,Obviously you will not print this but you are so obviously anti YJ. If TG wanted to play YJ they could show up at LI Elite showcase like they used to but will not because of the same reason YJ will not go to the lacrosse by 2 tournament.You always want info so people can be informed consumers but the complete lack of info about lacrosse by 2 tournament such as teams committed or college coaches committed and you have no issue with it.When BS tells the kids on his teams to stay off of your site you again have no issue with it.Tell us why we should pay money to go to this tournament when in reality no one knows anything about it.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Believe me YJ would love to play Top Guns teams. Any age.

This statement is not true. We have it from the horse's mouth. The exact quote was "Why should my club offer these challengers a chance to play us?" If it was true, let's see how many Yellow Jackets teams show up at Long Island's premier recruiting event for 2013, the LacroSSe-By-3 ClaSSic.

she has nothing to gain and everything to lose by playing tg. Yj would have to be expected to win across the board. They are a club two to three times the size, tons of players to draw from and have been around for many years. Can't blame her, if the younger teams were to start losing games, she might start losing customers.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Believe me YJ would love to play Top Guns teams. Any age.

This statement is not true. We have it from the horse's mouth. The exact quote was "Why should my club offer these challengers a chance to play us?" If it was true, let's see how many Yellow Jackets teams show up at Long Island's premier recruiting event for 2013, the LacroSSe-By-3 ClaSSic.

Next year you will see some other teams with differant names. They will be coming.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cage ,Obviously you will not print this but you are so obviously anti YJ.

First, here is your post. Second, we were formerly accused of being completely pro-Yellow Jackets; your accusation is evidence that we are striking the right balance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If TG wanted to play YJ they could show up at LI Elite showcase like they used ...

The comment was that the Yellow Jackets would play the Top Guns at any opportunity, not the other way around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

... to but will not because of the same reason YJ will not go to the lacrosse by 2 tournament.

There are just so many showcases - how can Long Island be a hot-bed if the top clubs do not support the local venues?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You always want info so people can be informed consumers but the complete lack of info about lacrosse by 2 tournament such as teams committed or college coaches committed and you have no issue with it.

While we already have an e-mail into Shannon for this year's listing, let me ask you this : name the teams playing in your cited event. You would be hard pressed to come up with that information.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When BS tells the kids on his teams to stay off of your site you again have no issue with it.

Don't be so sure about our position on various issues unless you hear it from us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tell us why we should pay money to go to this tournament when in reality no one knows anything about it.

Attendance is your choice - we reviewed the tournament in sessions with Coach Smith at Hofstra. We believe this is going to be a well-attended event. It is your choice whether the Lacrosse-By-3 event is value-for-money.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Believe me YJ would love to play Top Guns teams. Any age.

This statement is not true. We have it from the horse's mouth. The exact quote was "Why should my club offer these challengers a chance to play us?" If it was true, let's see how many Yellow Jackets teams show up at Long Island's premier recruiting event for 2013, the LacroSSe-By-3 ClaSSic.

Come on you are not naive. It's one thing to play each other in tourneys another to go to a Top Gun run tourney. And they don't come to Carol Rose's tourney at Mitchell Field either so I guess it's a stand off.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's one thing to play each other in tourneys another to go to a Top Gun run tourney. And they don't come to Carol Rose's tourney at Mitchell Field either so I guess it's a stand off.

Hold on here - at 5:07pm, you posted :

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Believe me YJ would love to play Top Guns teams. Any age.

Those were your words, not those of BOTC. So which is it? While you take your foot out of your mouth, we will return this thread to the Top Guns.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's one thing to play each other in tourneys another to go to a Top Gun run tourney. And they don't come to Carol Rose's tourney at Mitchell Field either so I guess it's a stand off.

Hold on here - at 5:07pm, you posted :

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Believe me YJ would love to play Top Guns teams. Any age.

Those were your words, not those of BOTC. So which is it? While you take your foot out of your mouth, we will return this thread to the Top Guns.

My foot isn't in my mouth. I said Yj would love to play top guns at all of the many tournaments held throughout the summer, too many to mention., usually in NJ MD and Virginia. Last year YJ got to play them a few times and it was great. Not sure why you are so defensive I merely pointed out reality, you are choosing to try to be insulting.
But top guns won't show up to Carols function nor will Yj turn up to Shannon's. No foot in mouth sir

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My foot isn't in my mouth. I said Yj would love to play top guns at all of the many tournaments held throughout the summer, too many to mention., usually in NJ MD and Virginia.

Friend, you said : "Believe me YJ would love to play Top Guns teams. Any age." You said it at 5:07pm this afternoon. Our readers can plainly see the change in your position which is fine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last year YJ got to play them a few times and it was great.

When we get over the Yellow Jacket vs. Top Guns in-fighting, we completely agree. As far as Long Island club lacrosse goes, this is just about as good as it gets across the board.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure why you are so defensive I merely pointed out reality, you are choosing to try to be insulting.

Insulting. No.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But top guns won't show up to Carols function nor will Yj turn up to Shannon's. No foot in mouth sir.

Please stop. Maybe BOTC has taken this provocative position because we think it is best that both clubs get over this animosity and start attending each other's showcases. Did that ever cross your mind? Think about it.

Look at what took place in New [lacrosse] State this year with Section III gaining strength. Look at the growth in Maryland, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania - and that is only in the Northeast. To be honest, this Yellow Jackets vs. Top Guns debate is fighting a war on the wrong front.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Believe me YJ would love to play Top Guns teams. Any age.

This statement is not true. We have it from the horse's mouth. The exact quote was "Why should my club offer these challengers a chance to play us?" If it was true, let's see how many Yellow Jackets teams show up at Long Island's premier recruiting event for 2013, the LacroSSe-By-3 ClaSSic.

Come on you are not naive. It's one thing to play each other in tourneys another to go to a Top Gun run tourney. And they don't come to Carol Rose's tourney at Mitchell Field either so I guess it's a stand off.

Four 25 minute games at Mitchell field is not exactly a great bang for your buck. Also, last year less than three days prior to tournaments starting both National Draw and All-Star Express schedules were altered dramatically - guess what no YJ teams playing TG, they were forced to play YJ vs YJ multiple times and there were many unhappy YJ parents - CR brings 30 teams (800+ kids) and $50,000 to tourneys, she gets to dictate schedule and that's just a fact of life for the time being. That said many around the tourney circuit are growing tired of her and the YJ antics.

First, here is your post. Second, we were formerly accused of being completely pro-Yellow Jackets; your accusation is evidence that we are striking the right balance.

Originally Posted By: Anonymous
If TG wanted to play YJ they could show up at LI Elite showcase like they used ...
The comment was that the Yellow Jackets would play the Top Guns at any opportunity, not the other way around.

Actually that was not the comment, when you throw in the at any opportunity it changes it. Some YJ teams have purposely entered tournaments that they do not traditionally do hoping to run into TG, see TG schedule for next weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Believe me YJ would love to play Top Guns teams. Any age.

This statement is not true. We have it from the horse's mouth. The exact quote was "Why should my club offer these challengers a chance to play us?" If it was true, let's see how many Yellow Jackets teams show up at Long Island's premier recruiting event for 2013, the LacroSSe-By-3 ClaSSic.

Come on you are not naive. It's one thing to play each other in tourneys another to go to a Top Gun run tourney. And they don't come to Carol Rose's tourney at Mitchell Field either so I guess it's a stand off.

Four 25 minute games at Mitchell field is not exactly a great bang for your buck. Also, last year less than three days prior to tournaments starting both National Draw and All-Star Express schedules were altered dramatically - guess what no YJ teams playing TG, they were forced to play YJ vs YJ multiple times and there were many unhappy YJ parents - CR brings 30 teams (800+ kids) and $50,000 to tourneys, she gets to dictate schedule and that's just a fact of life for the time being. That said many around the tourney circuit are growing tired of her and the YJ antics.

Why is it you always get some idiot come on here and state things that are blatantly false and easily verified to be false.Ask your 2018 and 2016 teams if they played any YJ teams at either of those tournaments. Thanks for your completely false input.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Believe me YJ would love to play Top Guns teams. Any age.

This statement is not true. We have it from the horse's mouth. The exact quote was "Why should my club offer these challengers a chance to play us?" If it was true, let's see how many Yellow Jackets teams show up at Long Island's premier recruiting event for 2013, the LacroSSe-By-3 ClaSSic.

Come on you are not naive. It's one thing to play each other in tourneys another to go to a Top Gun run tourney. And they don't come to Carol Rose's tourney at Mitchell Field either so I guess it's a stand off.

Four 25 minute games at Mitchell field is not exactly a great bang for your buck. Also, last year less than three days prior to tournaments starting both National Draw and All-Star Express schedules were altered dramatically - guess what no YJ teams playing TG, they were forced to play YJ vs YJ multiple times and there were many unhappy YJ parents - CR brings 30 teams (800+ kids) and $50,000 to tourneys, she gets to dictate schedule and that's just a fact of life for the time being. That said many around the tourney circuit are growing tired of her and the YJ antics.

Why is it you always get some idiot come on here and state things that are blatantly false and easily verified to be false.Ask your 2018 and 2016 teams if they played any YJ teams at either of those tournaments. Thanks for your completely false input.

How many YJ teams played each other? Get over it! Cr thougth that YJ could win those two games- one ended in a tie and not sure what happened at the other... All-Star Express was YJ scrimmages all over the place, teams from NJ, MD etc were all wondering what was going on. A weekend in traffic, hotel and restaurant expenses and you play more than half your schedule against your own club, come on that's just not right

Again thanks for your completely false input ,keep up the good work.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Again thanks for your completely false input ,keep up the good work.

actually, this persons observation seems spot on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First, here is your post. Second, we were formerly accused of being completely pro-Yellow Jackets; your accusation is evidence that we are striking the right balance.

Originally Posted By: Anonymous
If TG wanted to play YJ they could show up at LI Elite showcase like they used ...
The comment was that the Yellow Jackets would play the Top Guns at any opportunity, not the other way around.

Actually that was not the comment, when you throw in the at any opportunity it changes it. Some YJ teams have purposely entered tournaments that they do not traditionally do hoping to run into TG, see TG schedule for next weekend.

Checking the Summer Classic one Yellow Jacket team a 2016 Team is there. Not sure which one, playing TG 2016 Purple. One Team doesn't make a statement

Why would any of the directors want the 2 teams playing against each other with such childish parents on the sidelines..would wind up a brawl. Get over yourselves already. Play where you are happy and don't worry about who can beat who, so stupid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First, here is your post. Second, we were formerly accused of being completely pro-Yellow Jackets; your accusation is evidence that we are striking the right balance.

Originally Posted By: Anonymous
If TG wanted to play YJ they could show up at LI Elite showcase like they used ...
The comment was that the Yellow Jackets would play the Top Guns at any opportunity, not the other way around.

Actually that was not the comment, when you throw in the at any opportunity it changes it. Some YJ teams have purposely entered tournaments that they do not traditionally do hoping to run into TG, see TG schedule for next weekend.

Checking the Summer Classic one Yellow Jacket team a 2016 Team is there. Not sure which one, playing TG 2016 Purple. One Team doesn't make a statement

mustp have been an oversight by the tournament director, revised schedule will be out soon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First, here is your post. Second, we were formerly accused of being completely pro-Yellow Jackets; your accusation is evidence that we are striking the right balance.

Originally Posted By: Anonymous
If TG wanted to play YJ they could show up at LI Elite showcase like they used ...
The comment was that the Yellow Jackets would play the Top Guns at any opportunity, not the other way around.

Actually that was not the comment, when you throw in the at any opportunity it changes it. Some YJ teams have purposely entered tournaments that they do not traditionally do hoping to run into TG, see TG schedule for next weekend.

Checking the Summer Classic one Yellow Jacket team a 2016 Team is there. Not sure which one, playing TG 2016 Purple. One Team doesn't make a statement

You guys are impossible, so when your conspiracy theories about CR avoiding all games against TG and how she controls all the teams and tournaments gets repeated you believe it but when someone shows you evidence to the contrary you just blow it off.Keep up the conspiracy theories and your head in the sand.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First, here is your post. Second, we were formerly accused of being completely pro-Yellow Jackets; your accusation is evidence that we are striking the right balance.

Originally Posted By: Anonymous
If TG wanted to play YJ they could show up at LI Elite showcase like they used ...
The comment was that the Yellow Jackets would play the Top Guns at any opportunity, not the other way around.

Actually that was not the comment, when you throw in the at any opportunity it changes it. Some YJ teams have purposely entered tournaments that they do not traditionally do hoping to run into TG, see TG schedule for next weekend.

Checking the Summer Classic one Yellow Jacket team a 2016 Team is there. Not sure which one, playing TG 2016 Purple. One Team doesn't make a statement

You guys are impossible, so when your conspiracy theories about CR avoiding all games against TG and how she controls all the teams and tournaments gets repeated you believe it but when someone shows you evidence to the contrary you just blow it off.Keep up the conspiracy theories and your head in the sand.

The two top YJ teams are scheduled to be in a team camp this weekend and the remaining 2 teams are in Connecticut for a tournament. Which team is going down to Maryland??

16 defo will be in Maryland

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would any of the directors want the 2 teams playing against each other with such childish parents on the sidelines..would wind up a brawl. Get over yourselves already. Play where you are happy and don't worry about who can beat who, so stupid.

Totally agree. I wouldn't want to go all the way to MD to play a NY team... All LI Clubs should bite the bullet and enter a # of teams in each others' tournaments...Would only attract better talent/teams from ouot of state/upstate to play here on the Island...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would any of the directors want the 2 teams playing against each other with such childish parents on the sidelines..would wind up a brawl. Get over yourselves already. Play where you are happy and don't worry about who can beat who, so stupid.

Totally agree. I wouldn't want to go all the way to MD to play a NY team... All LI Clubs should bite the bullet and enter a # of teams in each others' tournaments...Would only attract better talent/teams from ouot of state/upstate to play here on the Island...

I agree 100%, but I'm not paying the $10 "scholarship" entry fee at Mitchel field

Originally Posted by Anonymous

16 defo will be in Maryland

If this is true, play the Black team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would any of the directors want the 2 teams playing against each other with such childish parents on the sidelines..would wind up a brawl. Get over yourselves already. Play where you are happy and don't worry about who can beat who, so stupid.

Totally agree. I wouldn't want to go all the way to MD to play a NY team... All LI Clubs should bite the bullet and enter a # of teams in each others' tournaments...Would only attract better talent/teams from ouot of state/upstate to play here on the Island...

I agree 100%, but I'm not paying the $10 "scholarship" entry fee at Mitchel field

Right, no entry fees!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

16 defo will be in Maryland

If this is true, play the Black team.

This is why people feel compelled to use terms like moron.Do you think if a YJ team is traveling to MD to play in a tournament they get to choose who they play or are you another of those conspiracy TG people who blame everything on CR.Obviously CR called the people running the tournament to tell them who the 1 YJ team gets to play or she will pull out and the tournament will lose out on all that dough.Seems to me in looking at the teams roster its not their full team .

thats what happens and she does it often... National Draw for instance. she has them in her pocket... open your eyes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

16 defo will be in Maryland

If this is true, play the Black team.

This is why people feel compelled to use terms like moron.Do you think if a YJ team is traveling to MD to play in a tournament they get to choose who they play or are you another of those conspiracy TG people who blame everything on CR.Obviously CR called the people running the tournament to tell them who the 1 YJ team gets to play or she will pull out and the tournament will lose out on all that dough.Seems to me in looking at the teams roster its not their full team .

gee, I guess I should be insulted.
I am aware that clubs can't (in most cases) pick their opponents at tournaments, thanks for reminding me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

16 defo will be in Maryland

If this is true, play the Black team.

This is why people feel compelled to use terms like moron.Do you think if a YJ team is traveling to MD to play in a tournament they get to choose who they play or are you another of those conspiracy TG people who blame everything on CR.Obviously CR called the people running the tournament to tell them who the 1 YJ team gets to play or she will pull out and the tournament will lose out on all that dough.Seems to me in looking at the teams roster its not their full team .

gee, I guess I should be insulted.
I am aware that clubs can't (in most cases) pick their opponents at tournaments, thanks for reminding me.

So exactly how did you want them to play the black team ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

thats what happens and she does it often... National Draw for instance. she has them in her pocket... open your eyes.

Conspiracy theory again, my child plays TG and even I think you guys are ridiculous. If she controls so much of National draws scheduling then explain to me how YJ 2016 blue,YJ 2017 blue, TG 2016 black, Suffolk allstars 2016, MD black 2016 all ended up on same side of bracket last year with YJ 2016 drawing MD 2016 (eventual champ) in first round. Yes someone switched a 2020 yj team from playing TG 2018 ,did we really want to play a team 2 years and in some cases 3 years younger .The conspiracy is getting old ,if either side were that anxious to play the other they would make it happen.

it's a showcase, who cares?

it's basically their full roster so I don't understand that comment. Is CR putting that many teams in Summer Classic that the Maryland organizers would change everything just to keep her there? There are plenty of Maryland and other teams out there to play. Don't insult Maryland or any other tournament organizers to think that the all powerful CR tells them who, what, where and when.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't insult Maryland or any other tournament organizers to think that the all powerful CR tells them who, what, where and when.

BOTC agrees. Based on conversations with staff in Maryland, it would be easier to say "take a hike" to the Yellow Jackets than re-rig the schedule and undermine the Maryland brand as a recruiting base.

I am a Maryland lax parent and I don't follow Long Island lacrosse very closely but I found a bit perplexing this weekend when I saw the YJ 16 Defo bracket. They were essentially the only "top" team in a "B" bracket and therefore had to play a play-in game to make the quarterfinals. All of the other "top teams" were awarded a bye in the first round because of stiffer competition in the bracket play. It would seem to me like the tourney officials knew what they were doing by giving YJ an easier road to the playoffs. In the play-in game, the score was something like 11-0? So YJ played one more game than the others but it was a breeze to the quarters..just telling it like it is..the combined score of YJ's bracket play plus play-in game was 49-3...I repeat, 49-3! Hmmm

you noticed that too??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a Maryland lax parent and I don't follow Long Island lacrosse very closely but I found a bit perplexing this weekend when I saw the YJ 16 Defo bracket. They were essentially the only "top" team in a "B" bracket and therefore had to play a play-in game to make the quarterfinals. All of the other "top teams" were awarded a bye in the first round because of stiffer competition in the bracket play. It would seem to me like the tourney officials knew what they were doing by giving YJ an easier road to the playoffs. In the play-in game, the score was something like 11-0? So YJ played one more game than the others but it was a breeze to the quarters..just telling it like it is..the combined score of YJ's bracket play plus play-in game was 49-3...I repeat, 49-3! Hmmm

Have been doing travel for many years... The directors of the tourneys want playoff games to be between certain teams that's why brackets are done as they are

Assuming that you know why teams were placed where they were would be like me assuming you are missing teeth because you are from Maryland which would be ignorant.You seem to like a conspiracy theory so compare schedules from 11:00 on.
M&D 1:30, 3:00, 3:45
YJ 11:00, 11:30, 12:30, 1:00, 1:30, 2:15, 3:00, 3:45
I repeat Hmmm!!
The difference is I am stating facts , the other fact M&D deserved to win they played a better and smarter game.Congrats to them and enough with the conspiracy nonsense any nut job can find something in nothing.

Top

Who cares - please take this over to the YJ board.

the nat draw schedule will change , coy and paste the brackets, and you will see

It looks like the TG 2019 teams are in the same bracket as the YJ 2019 teams for Nat Draw, but are not scheduled to play each other.

i wonder why. CR is why

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i wonder why. CR is why

Or maybe the people that run national draw figured the teams from the same area would rather play teams from different areas and that if the two long island teams wanted to play they would do so.Feel free to ask some of your TG 2019 parents if your team was asked to play by 2019 YJ coach last year.Maybe your TG coaches realize that it may be best if the teams do not play because the kids parents have so much animosity toward YJ and CR in particular that nothing good will come out of it.

I so agree unless no parents where allowed at game I truley dont think any good would come out of it.Listen they r 2 very talented teams cant we just leave it like that.I am all for competition its the parents that would ruin it

the only time a yJ #1 team will play a topgun team is when CR knows that she can beat them easily. otherwise she will do everything in her power to avoid topguns.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the only time a yJ #1 team will play a topgun team is when CR knows that she can beat them easily. otherwise she will do everything in her power to avoid topguns.

Yeah because they are soooo dangerous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i wonder why. CR is why

Or maybe the people that run national draw figured the teams from the same area would rather play teams from different areas and that if the two long island teams wanted to play they would do so.Feel free to ask some of your TG 2019 parents if your team was asked to play by 2019 YJ coach last year.Maybe your TG coaches realize that it may be best if the teams do not play because the kids parents have so much animosity toward YJ and CR in particular that nothing good will come out of it.

Who cares if they ever play? Why is this such a concern? They both think they are the better team and will always believe it's the other team backing away. Who cares? Plenty of other good lacrosse going on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the only time a yJ #1 team will play a topgun team is when CR knows that she can beat them easily. otherwise she will do everything in her power to avoid topguns.

Maybe they are too good just like that player who got cut from the national team ,she was too good so they did not want her to show up the best players in the country,too funny.

Predictions

2020--TG
2019--TG
2018--YJ
2017--MD. Mainly bc no YJ
2016--MD
2015--YJ
2014 YJ

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the only time a yJ #1 team will play a topgun team is when CR knows that she can beat them easily. otherwise she will do everything in her power to avoid topguns.

Maybe they are too good just like that player who got cut from the national team ,she was too good so they did not want her to show up the best players in the country,too funny.

Predictions

2020--TG
2019--TG
2018--YJ
2017--MD. Mainly bc no YJ
2016--MD
2015--YJ
2014 YJ

How many daughters do you have? Obviously not one in the 2015 age group where Skywalkers is the #1 team.

Now I am starting to think that SS, CR and the rest of the club directors are powerless dictating the schedules to the tournament directors, at least at the national draw. Just finished looking at all the brackets and matches for all the ages and tournament champions will be decided during pool play. It is odd to see the top YJ, TG and M&D teams all in the same pool especially in the younger ages. Only one team will get out of the pool to the playoffs, meanwhile there are many weak pools that will put crappy teams into the playoffs. It happens in nearly every age group. Somehow even within the same pools, YJ and TG never get matched up. Got to look up the advance from pool, I think it is fewest goals against advances. M&D might be the worst off having to play TG and YJ in some pools whereas YJ and TG only play M&D once, M&D are screwed. Whatever happened to the better teams getting seeded in opposite brackets so that the strong teams meet deep in the playoffs? 2 of the top five teams in the tournament wont even make it out of pool play, just a horrible job by tournament directors, hopefully we will see some massive schedule changes to avoid this stupidity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the only time a yJ #1 team will play a topgun team is when CR knows that she can beat them easily. otherwise she will do everything in her power to avoid topguns.

Maybe they are too good just like that player who got cut from the national team ,she was too good so they did not want her to show up the best players in the country,too funny.

Predictions

2020--TG
2019--TG
2018--YJ
2017--MD. Mainly bc no YJ
2016--MD
2015--YJ
2014 YJ

How many daughters do you have? Obviously not one in the 2015 age group where Skywalkers is the #1 team.

Actually these were predictions for national draw, that being said even if sky walkers were there I would have picked YJ at the 2015 age group.Yes I watched the game in Florida and was happy sky walkers won but without those yellow cards it did not look like it was going to go their way.Just a prediction so relax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the only time a yJ #1 team will play a topgun team is when CR knows that she can beat them easily. otherwise she will do everything in her power to avoid topguns.

Maybe they are too good just like that player who got cut from the national team ,she was too good so they did not want her to show up the best players in the country,too funny.

Predictions

2020--TG
2019--TG
2018--YJ
2017--MD. Mainly bc no YJ
2016--MD
2015--YJ
2014 YJ

How can you make predictions like this? My daughter plays for 2020 black and I have no idea how good they might be. Are you scouting 2020 teams from Other states.
Lets just go and compete and let the girls leave it all on the field, win or lose.
Good luck to everyone this week, all teams, and all ages.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now I am starting to think that SS, CR and the rest of the club directors are powerless dictating the schedules to the tournament directors, at least at the national draw. Just finished looking at all the brackets and matches for all the ages and tournament champions will be decided during pool play. It is odd to see the top YJ, TG and M&D teams all in the same pool especially in the younger ages. Only one team will get out of the pool to the playoffs, meanwhile there are many weak pools that will put crappy teams into the playoffs. It happens in nearly every age group. Somehow even within the same pools, YJ and TG never get matched up. Got to look up the advance from pool, I think it is fewest goals against advances. M&D might be the worst off having to play TG and YJ in some pools whereas YJ and TG only play M&D once, M&D are screwed. Whatever happened to the better teams getting seeded in opposite brackets so that the strong teams meet deep in the playoffs? 2 of the top five teams in the tournament wont even make it out of pool play, just a horrible job by tournament directors, hopefully we will see some massive schedule changes to avoid this stupidity.

Good and bad. Format addresses the problem of pool play blow-outs we see at most tourneys and, the most minutes are played in pool games. Probably end-up with some playoff laughers though.

Didn't notice but it does seem to stack the deck somewhat against M&D but, unlike other teams, they have more control. Win all their games and there's no way they'll have to worry about tie breakers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now I am starting to think that SS, CR and the rest of the club directors are powerless dictating the schedules to the tournament directors, at least at the national draw. Just finished looking at all the brackets and matches for all the ages and tournament champions will be decided during pool play. It is odd to see the top YJ, TG and M&D teams all in the same pool especially in the younger ages. Only one team will get out of the pool to the playoffs, meanwhile there are many weak pools that will put crappy teams into the playoffs. It happens in nearly every age group. Somehow even within the same pools, YJ and TG never get matched up. Got to look up the advance from pool, I think it is fewest goals against advances. M&D might be the worst off having to play TG and YJ in some pools whereas YJ and TG only play M&D once, M&D are screwed. Whatever happened to the better teams getting seeded in opposite brackets so that the strong teams meet deep in the playoffs? 2 of the top five teams in the tournament wont even make it out of pool play, just a horrible job by tournament directors, hopefully we will see some massive schedule changes to avoid this stupidity.

While I agree the bracket is perplexing, M&D is far from screwed. They are a very good team and have beat the YJ team every time they played them. Whoever makes it out of this bracket will have no trouble, IMO, of beating whoever they play in championship. Still not as exciting as a championship game between two top programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the only time a yJ #1 team will play a topgun team is when CR knows that she can beat them easily. otherwise she will do everything in her power to avoid topguns.

Maybe they are too good just like that player who got cut from the national team ,she was too good so they did not want her to show up the best players in the country,too funny.

Predictions

2020--TG
2019--TG
2018--YJ
2017--MD. Mainly bc no YJ
2016--MD
2015--YJ
2014 YJ

How can you make predictions like this? My daughter plays for 2020 black and I have no idea how good they might be. Are you scouting 2020 teams from Other states.
Lets just go and compete and let the girls leave it all on the field, win or lose.
Good luck to everyone this week, all teams, and all ages.

First off they are predictions so stop being so politically correct, and just because you have no idea how good the team can be doesn't mean I don't.You are going to look like a moron when they win the tournament, the only thing that will hurt this team is there are some difficult parents and the politics will be an issue in a hurry.Another prediction they win this weekends tournament.If you want to know the reasons for said predictions I can give you many.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the only time a yJ #1 team will play a topgun team is when CR knows that she can beat them easily. otherwise she will do everything in her power to avoid topguns.

Maybe they are too good just like that player who got cut from the national team ,she was too good so they did not want her to show up the best players in the country,too funny.

Predictions

2020--TG
2019--TG
2018--YJ
2017--MD. Mainly bc no YJ
2016--MD
2015--YJ
2014 YJ

How can you make predictions like this? My daughter plays for 2020 black and I have no idea how good they might be. Are you scouting 2020 teams from Other states.
Lets just go and compete and let the girls leave it all on the field, win or lose.
Good luck to everyone this week, all teams, and all ages.

First off they are predictions so stop being so politically correct, and just because you have no idea how good the team can be doesn't mean I don't.You are going to look like a moron when they win the tournament, the only thing that will hurt this team is there are some difficult parents and the politics will be an issue in a hurry.Another prediction they win this weekends tournament.If you want to know the reasons for said predictions I can give you many.

look like a moron if they win? No, that'll make me happy, as I said my daughter is on that team. So if they don't win does that make you a moron? I'm not making predictions, and all I said was how do you know how good the other teams are? Did YJ, and TG sweep all these age divisions last year? If they did that's amazing. it's easy to go out on a limb and predict something when you don't put a name to it, don't be so defensive I didn't attack you.

FYI, for anyone predicting that M&D 2017 would lose to YJ '17 you don't have a clue. The m&D '17s are easily one of the best all-around m&D teams out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the only time a yJ #1 team will play a topgun team is when CR knows that she can beat them easily. otherwise she will do everything in her power to avoid topguns.

Maybe they are too good just like that player who got cut from the national team ,she was too good so they did not want her to show up the best players in the country,too funny.

Predictions

2020--TG
2019--TG
2018--YJ
2017--MD. Mainly bc no YJ
2016--MD
2015--YJ
2014 YJ

How can you make predictions like this? My daughter plays for 2020 black and I have no idea how good they might be. Are you scouting 2020 teams from Other states.
Lets just go and compete and let the girls leave it all on the field, win or lose.
Good luck to everyone this week, all teams, and all ages.

First off they are predictions so stop being so politically correct, and just because you have no idea how good the team can be doesn't mean I don't.You are going to look like a moron when they win the tournament, the only thing that will hurt this team is there are some difficult parents and the politics will be an issue in a hurry.Another prediction they win this weekends tournament.If you want to know the reasons for said predictions I can give you many.

look like a moron if they win? No, that'll make me happy, as I said my daughter is on that team. So if they don't win does that make you a moron? I'm not making predictions, and all I said was how do you know how good the other teams are? Did YJ, and TG sweep all these age divisions last year? If they did that's amazing. it's easy to go out on a limb and predict something when you don't put a name to it, don't be so defensive I didn't attack you.

Yes its easy to say whatever you feel when you are anonymous like you just did, isn't that the point of why these boards are anonymous.The teams at the 2020 age group are not that good yet and I believe our TG team is , I also believe our coach will play to win which many teams at this age don't really do.Yj team at this age is good but the talent is really divided between their top two teams ours is not.See you this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FYI, for anyone predicting that M&D 2017 would lose to YJ '17 you don't have a clue. The m&D '17s are easily one of the best all-around m&D teams out there.

The 2017 YJ teams happen to be one of the best YJ teams out there so that prediction stands.Not sure if these two teams have ever played but the YJ 2017 team has never lost in their own age group as far as I know so don't act like your 2017 MD team is unbeatable.Only a clueless person would think their team is unbeatable and again its just a prediction.

Obviously CR doesn't agree with you. If she thought her YJ 17 would beat MD 17 then she would have them go to Nat Draw. Instead, they are going to a tournament in Mass under the guise of qualifying for the U15 tournament in Florida. Everybody knows a top team like the YJ 17 would receive an at-large bid to compete down there anyway. Not sure if these 2 teams have played before but that would be a great game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Obviously CR doesn't agree with you. If she thought her YJ 17 would beat MD 17 then she would have them go to Nat Draw. Instead, they are going to a tournament in Mass under the guise of qualifying for the U15 tournament in Florida. Everybody knows a top team like the YJ 17 would receive an at-large bid to compete down there anyway. Not sure if these 2 teams have played before but that would be a great game.

Only 2016 get at-large bid. They will be competing against 2016 this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Obviously CR doesn't agree with you. If she thought her YJ 17 would beat MD 17 then she would have them go to Nat Draw. Instead, they are going to a tournament in Mass under the guise of qualifying for the U15 tournament in Florida. Everybody knows a top team like the YJ 17 would receive an at-large bid to compete down there anyway. Not sure if these 2 teams have played before but that would be a great game.

They rarely attend the same tournaments, gotta figure that all changes when they enter High School and start attending the big Showcase/Recruiting tournaments. IMO, top to bottom, the two most successful girls clubs in the country so I doubt either club ducks anyone for fear of losing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]the only time a yJ #1 team will play a topgun team is when CR knows that she can beat them easily. otherwise she will do everything in her power to avoid topguns.

Maybe they are too good just like that player who got cut from the national team ,she was too good so they did not want her to show up the best players in the country,too funny.

Predictions

2020--TG
2019--TG
2018--YJ
2017--MD. Mainly bc no YJ
2016--MD
2015--YJ
2014 YJ

How can you make predictions like this? My daughter plays for 2020 black and I have no idea how good they might be. Are you scouting 2020 teams from Other states.
Lets just go and compete and let the girls leave it all on the field, win or lose.
Good luck to everyone this week, all teams, and all ages.

First off they are predictions so stop being so politically correct, and just because you have no idea how good the team can be doesn't mean I don't.You are going to look like a moron when they win the tournament, the only thing that will hurt this team is there are some difficult parents and the politics will be an issue in a hurry.Another prediction they win this weekends tournament.If you want to know the reasons for said predictions I can give you many.

look like a moron if they win? No, that'll make me happy, as I said my daughter is on that team. So if they don't win does that make you a moron? I'm not making predictions, and all I said was how do you know how good the other teams are? Did YJ, and TG sweep all these age divisions last year? If they did that's amazing. it's easy to go out on a limb and predict something when you don't put a name to it, don't be so defensive I didn't attack you.

Yes its easy to say whatever you feel when you are anonymous like you just did, isn't that the point of why these boards are anonymous.The teams at the 2020 age group are not that good yet and I believe our TG team is , I also believe our coach will play to win which many teams at this age don't really do.Yj team at this age is good but the talent is really divided between their top two teams ours is not.See you this weekend.

If the top 2 YJ 2020 are evenly balanced why has the blue team beaten them everytime they've played. The TG 2020 team plays to win? They haven't played in a tournament yet. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Obviously CR doesn't agree with you. If she thought her YJ 17 would beat MD 17 then she would have them go to Nat Draw. Instead, they are going to a tournament in Mass under the guise of qualifying for the U15 tournament in Florida. Everybody knows a top team like the YJ 17 would receive an at-large bid to compete down there anyway. Not sure if these 2 teams have played before but that would be a great game.

Yes they went to another tournament to avoid playing your MD team, get over yourself .Do you actually believe this or just being obnoxious.When you say everyone knows something that is false it just makes you look ignorant.By the way my kids play TG and even I think your reasoning is silly.

That top gun parent is clueless, who doesn't play to win My kid is on YJ B team and they only played the blue team once in the Beach Bums tourney last year and they beat us good. . We have good players , but blue has a lot more than we do. I have no idea what that TG parent is basing his knowledge of the 2020 division, but we will see pretty soon

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]the only time a yJ #1 team will play a topgun team is when CR knows that she can beat them easily. otherwise she will do everything in her power to avoid topguns.

Maybe they are too good just like that player who got cut from the national team ,she was too good so they did not want her to show up the best players in the country,too funny.

Predictions

2020--TG
2019--TG
2018--YJ
2017--MD. Mainly bc no YJ
2016--MD
2015--YJ
2014 YJ

How can you make predictions like this? My daughter plays for 2020 black and I have no idea how good they might be. Are you scouting 2020 teams from Other states.
Lets just go and compete and let the girls leave it all on the field, win or lose.
Good luck to everyone this week, all teams, and all ages.

First off they are predictions so stop being so politically correct, and just because you have no idea how good the team can be doesn't mean I don't.You are going to look like a moron when they win the tournament, the only thing that will hurt this team is there are some difficult parents and the politics will be an issue in a hurry.Another prediction they win this weekends tournament.If you want to know the reasons for said predictions I can give you many.

look like a moron if they win? No, that'll make me happy, as I said my daughter is on that team. So if they don't win does that make you a moron? I'm not making predictions, and all I said was how do you know how good the other teams are? Did YJ, and TG sweep all these age divisions last year? If they did that's amazing. it's easy to go out on a limb and predict something when you don't put a name to it, don't be so defensive I didn't attack you.

Yes its easy to say whatever you feel when you are anonymous like you just did, isn't that the point of why these boards are anonymous.The teams at the 2020 age group are not that good yet and I believe our TG team is , I also believe our coach will play to win which many teams at this age don't really do.Yj team at this age is good but the talent is really divided between their top two teams ours is not.See you this weekend.

If the top 2 YJ 2020 are evenly balanced why has the blue team beaten them everytime they've played. The TG 2020 team plays to win? They haven't played in a tournament yet. LOL

Blue 2020 team is hands down a better squad, but that does not mean that a few girls from lesser club don't belong on blue. Seen it all winter and spring at practice, besides poor fielding and throwing the way every thing seems to stop when they get ball does not make for good lax. Hopefully they won't wait all summer to bring up a few girls. It's not funny any more.

Actually said I believe our coach will play to win, I believe that because that is what he told me.If you actually had a first grade reading level you would have realized this.Again your just proving that my predictions are on the mark ,the only thing that will ruin this team is some of the annoying parents, by the way other TG parents schedules are changed for this weekend .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually said I believe our coach will play to win, I believe that because that is what he told me.If you actually had a first grade reading level you would have realized this.Again your just proving that my predictions are on the mark ,the only thing that will ruin this team is some of the annoying parents, by the way other TG parents schedules are changed for this weekend .

It's frightening if you are really an adult and a parent of a 2020 child. I find it humorous that you are insulting this poster about a first grade reading level, when you have not mastered the your/you're rules in your adult life. Oh, and your comment about "annoying parents," I'm going to go out on a limb here and make a college-educated conclusion that you may be just one of those parents.

Here we go again, last year it was the 2019 parents on here bubbling over, now the 2020 parents have taken the torch. I get 19 team looks extremely strong, 20 you better wait and see, yes they have a lot of very talented girls, but you gtta see if they can play like a team or will it be ball hoggin going to goal?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FYI, for anyone predicting that M&D 2017 would lose to YJ '17 you don't have a clue. The m&D '17s are easily one of the best all-around m&D teams out there.

The 2017 YJ teams happen to be one of the best YJ teams out there so that prediction stands.Not sure if these two teams have ever played but the YJ 2017 team has never lost in their own age group as far as I know so don't act like your 2017 MD team is unbeatable.Only a clueless person would think their team is unbeatable and again its just a prediction.

The 2017 YJ (Bert) team lost to 2017 Lady Roc Yellow at the 2012 Long Island elite showcase.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here we go again, last year it was the 2019 parents on here bubbling over, now the 2020 parents have taken the torch. I get 19 team looks extremely strong, 20 you better wait and see, yes they have a lot of very talented girls, but you gtta see if they can play like a team or will it be ball hoggin going to goal?

Please do not lump all the 2020 parents together! Many of of feel that we have to "wait and see" as this team has never played a game as team yet. Yes, there are a few very talented girls on this team but lax is a team sport not an individual sport! They have potential to be a strong team but only time will tell.

My daughter participated in the tournament this weekend in Maryland. I am still upset over the way the Top Guns 2017 "black" team behaved. I have been around lacrosse for a very long time and the disrespectful sportsmanship made your organization look like a bunch of thugs. It was obvious from the get go that your team had no chemistry/passing and yes, we capitalized on that. The physical and verbal abuse is not what the sport is all about. Shame on you, even your coaches were embaressed.

Seriously a college educated conclusion, what a tool bag.My college educated guess is you think your college was better than it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter participated in the tournament this weekend in Maryland. I am still upset over the way the Top Guns 2017 "black" team behaved. I have been around lacrosse for a very long time and the disrespectful sportsmanship made your organization look like a bunch of thugs. It was obvious from the get go that your team had no chemistry/passing and yes, we capitalized on that. The physical and verbal abuse is not what the sport is all about. Shame on you, even your coaches were embaressed.

What happened

Please give examples

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously a college educated conclusion, what a tool bag.My college educated guess is you think your college was better than it is.

What ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter participated in the tournament this weekend in Maryland. I am still upset over the way the Top Guns 2017 "black" team behaved. I have been around lacrosse for a very long time and the disrespectful sportsmanship made your organization look like a bunch of thugs. It was obvious from the get go that your team had no chemistry/passing and yes, we capitalized on that. The physical and verbal abuse is not what the sport is all about. Shame on you, even your coaches were embaressed.

Please do not group all of us in that type of behavior. My daughter is new to the team and yes-I agree with you. Very rude and unwelcoming girls and parents which is sad. I feel that we were convinced to try a no frills product and should have stayed with the authentic one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the only time a yJ #1 team will play a topgun team is when CR knows that she can beat them easily. otherwise she will do everything in her power to avoid topguns.

Maybe they are too good just like that player who got cut from the national team ,she was too good so they did not want her to show up the best players in the country,too funny.

Predictions

2020--TG
2019--TG
2018--YJ
2017--MD. Mainly bc no YJ
2016--MD
2015--YJ
2014 YJ

How can you make predictions like this? My daughter plays for 2020 black and I have no idea how good they might be. Are you scouting 2020 teams from Other states.
Lets just go and compete and let the girls leave it all on the field, win or lose.
Good luck to everyone this week, all teams, and all ages.

First off they are predictions so stop being so politically correct, and just because you have no idea how good the team can be doesn't mean I don't.You are going to look like a moron when they win the tournament, the only thing that will hurt this team is there are some difficult parents and the politics will be an issue in a hurry.Another prediction they win this weekends tournament.If you want to know the reasons for said predictions I can give you many.

look like a moron if they win? No, that'll make me happy, as I said my daughter is on that team. So if they don't win does that make you a moron? I'm not making predictions, and all I said was how do you know how good the other teams are? Did YJ, and TG sweep all these age divisions last year? If they did that's amazing. it's easy to go out on a limb and predict something when you don't put a name to it, don't be so defensive I didn't attack you.

Yes its easy to say whatever you feel when you are anonymous like you just did, isn't that the point of why these boards are anonymous.The teams at the 2020 age group are not that good yet and I believe our TG team is , I also believe our coach will play to win which many teams at this age don't really do.Yj team at this age is good but the talent is really divided between their top two teams ours is not.See you this weekend.

Are these 2 parents fighting from the same TG 20 team??

How did the 2020 team do, I think they outscored the teams they played like 120-10. Ready to make any predictions now or you still feel its too soon. Got to watch 2019 TG play and they also are very good , would like to see a 2019 vs 2020 game.Yes 2019 takes it but would be interesting.

I am a TG parent and you seriously need to take a deep breath and reflect inward before you type another word...to sit here and make comments like this about 10 year old girls is a disgrace. You are a grown man/woman thumping your chest about a 2020 team. You are what's wrong with youth sports today...so sad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the 2020 team do, I think they outscored the teams they played like 120-10. Ready to make any predictions now or you still feel its too soon. Got to watch 2019 TG play and they also are very good , would like to see a 2019 vs 2020 game.Yes 2019 takes it but would be interesting.

How did the 20 team do? It's sounds like you already know! Leave 2020 black out of this . They played well against some teams that should have been in another division. No parents are fighting it's all good.

ur an idiot y would 2 teams from the same program want to play each other. united front what is wrong with u have u ever done anything athletic or r u one of those who never made it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the 2020 team do, I think they outscored the teams they played like 120-10. Ready to make any predictions now or you still feel its too soon. Got to watch 2019 TG play and they also are very good , would like to see a 2019 vs 2020 game.Yes 2019 takes it but would be interesting.

How did the 20 team do? It's sounds like you already know! Leave 2020 black out of this . They played well against some teams that should have been in another division. No parents are fighting it's all good.

This seems to happen each year, the newbie black parents don't know how to act. Here is some advice, be humble and try to sit back and enjoy. Yes your daughter is on a great team, take it in stride.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter participated in the tournament this weekend in Maryland. I am still upset over the way the Top Guns 2017 "black" team behaved. I have been around lacrosse for a very long time and the disrespectful sportsmanship made your organization look like a bunch of thugs. It was obvious from the get go that your team had no chemistry/passing and yes, we capitalized on that. The physical and verbal abuse is not what the sport is all about. Shame on you, even your coaches were embaressed.

I am also a 2017 parent and have no idea what you are talking about. I watched 4 good games and thought the girls did well. Yes they have only had 4 practices and need to work on consistency. But overall thought it was great weekend.

Please do not group all of us in that type of behavior. My daughter is new to the team and yes-I agree with you. Very rude and unwelcoming girls and parents which is sad. I feel that we were convinced to try a no frills product and should have stayed with the authentic one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ur an idiot y would 2 teams from the same program want to play each other. united front what is wrong with u have u ever done anything athletic or r u one of those who never made it.

I don't care who we play against but would have preferred to play 2019 this past weekend instead of beating teams by 15. Why would you not want to play the most competitive teams possible even if they are from your own club.Could care less about winning and losing it's about getting better, a united front tells me your athletic career was non existent.You guys are so pathetic with this ,play the best teams available ,win ,loose, get better as a team not get better as an organization.

To all TG parents. Just shut up and watch the games. If you have an issue call the directors like an adult. If you can't do that just leave. There are lots of clubs for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To all TG parents. Just shut up and watch the games. If you have an issue call the directors like an adult. If you can't do that just leave. There are lots of clubs for you.

Can someone please paste the email sent out that blamed the parents for bad coaching?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To all TG parents. Just shut up and watch the games. If you have an issue call the directors like an adult. If you can't do that just leave. There are lots of clubs for you.

Can someone please paste the email sent out that blamed the parents for bad coaching?

Go back to your YJ thread please!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To all TG parents. Just shut up and watch the games. If you have an issue call the directors like an adult. If you can't do that just leave. There are lots of clubs for you.

Can someone please paste the email sent out that blamed the parents for bad coaching?

Are you one of those parents, that blames the coaches right away, at the first tournament?

The email didn't blame the parents for bad coaching. It blamed the parents for their ridiculous behavior, which, for the older girls, is only hurting their chances of playing in college. One of the first questions the college coaches ask is "how are the parents?". They'll choose a slightly less talented player, with potential, and better parents.

For the younger girls, hopefully, they can have a great lacrosse experience, in spite of their crazy parents.

The sideline coaching, and yelling at players and officials is out of control, with EVERY club. The email was warranted, and I hope at least some of the parents will take the advice. Of course, there are plenty who will ignore it, and can't control themselves, even if their daughters will suffer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To all TG parents. Just shut up and watch the games. If you have an issue call the directors like an adult. If you can't do that just leave. There are lots of clubs for you.

Can someone please paste the email sent out that blamed the parents for bad coaching?

Go back to your YJ thread please!

Exactly...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To all TG parents. Just shut up and watch the games. If you have an issue call the directors like an adult. If you can't do that just leave. There are lots of clubs for you.

Can someone please paste the email sent out that blamed the parents for bad coaching?

Go back to your YJ thread please!

How would a YJ parent even know an e-mail was sent regarding players poor behavior.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To all TG parents. Just shut up and watch the games. If you have an issue call the directors like an adult. If you can't do that just leave. There are lots of clubs for you.

Can someone please paste the email sent out that blamed the parents for bad coaching?

Go back to your YJ thread please!

How would a YJ parent even know an e-mail was sent regarding players poor behavior.

C'mon really? As if the YJ and TG people don't hear about things that go on in the other organization! If it was someone from TG, who received the email, why would they ask for it to be pasted into this site? Also, if they received it, hopefully, they would have realized it had nothing to do with coaching...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To all TG parents. Just shut up and watch the games. If you have an issue call the directors like an adult. If you can't do that just leave. There are lots of clubs for you.

Can someone please paste the email sent out that blamed the parents for bad coaching?

Go back to your YJ thread please!

How would a YJ parent even know an e-mail was sent regarding players poor behavior.

It wasn't about the players' behavior...again go away!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To all TG parents. Just shut up and watch the games. If you have an issue call the directors like an adult. If you can't do that just leave. There are lots of clubs for you.

AMEN!!

Actually that is my point, I have a TG kid but received no such E-mail so have no idea what you all are talking about.No I do not think it should be posted and am sure I will hear about it from other parents but again maybe TG parents should keep these things in house and not share w our YJ pals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To all TG parents. Just shut up and watch the games. If you have an issue call the directors like an adult. If you can't do that just leave. There are lots of clubs for you.

Can someone please paste the email sent out that blamed the parents for bad coaching?

Go back to your YJ thread please!

How would a YJ parent even know an e-mail was sent regarding players poor behavior.

It wasn't about the players' behavior...again go away!!

This is the same embarrassing behavior we get to experience during the spring PAL season, typical TG psycho daddy nonsense. They should start to red card these guys and have them leave the fields for the rest of the tournament.

Uhhhh....ummmm....obama here....uhhhh...cccccan't we just all ggggggget along.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To all TG parents. Just shut up and watch the games. If you have an issue call the directors like an adult. If you can't do that just leave. There are lots of clubs for you.

Can someone please paste the email sent out that blamed the parents for bad coaching?

Go back to your YJ thread please!

I am currently assigned to a top secret NSA unit and I monitor all emails......how does that grab ya.

How would a YJ parent even know an e-mail was sent regarding players poor behavior.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To all TG parents. Just shut up and watch the games. If you have an issue call the directors like an adult. If you can't do that just leave. There are lots of clubs for you.

Can someone please paste the email sent out that blamed the parents for bad coaching?

Go back to your YJ thread please!

How would a YJ parent even know an e-mail was sent regarding players poor behavior.

It wasn't about the players' behavior...again go away!!

This is the same embarrassing behavior we get to experience during the spring PAL season, typical TG psycho daddy nonsense. They should start to red card these guys and have them leave the fields for the rest of the tournament.

Oh stop with the TG psycho daddy comments...every club has these parents, that don't know how to behave on the sidelines. It's in every sport and every club...

How did all the teams do this past weekend?

The guy who made up the term psycho dad is on these threads constantly spewing hate. For real, take a look at what your doing here and look in the mirror, you too are a psycho dad perhaps on a worse level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guy who made up the term psycho dad is on these threads constantly spewing hate. For real, take a look at what your doing here and look in the mirror, you too are a psycho dad perhaps on a worse level.

Could be a spewing Psyco Mom, not necessarily a Dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a TG parent and you seriously need to take a deep breath and reflect inward before you type another word...to sit here and make comments like this about 10 year old girls is a disgrace. You are a grown man/woman thumping your chest about a 2020 team. You are what's wrong with youth sports today...so sad

You must be one of those "everybody gets a medal and equal playing time" parents. Good luck to you when your daughter is sitting on the sideline when we are in a tight game,and you have to explain to little Susie why she did not play in the big game.

I am far from the "everyone gets a medal" parent...and this is not my first go around. What you need to realize is that anything that is happening before they get into High School is really irrelevant except for the fact they should be learning and improving year after year. There are no "Big" games at 10 years old. What you should be instilling in your daughter is the desire to be a better player....so if they are not getting enough playing time now, commitment and practice will hopefully get them more time on the field.

I can assure you that you should spend time on the academic side and do not forget to stress the importance of grades. This will be a huge factor when/if the girls get recruited. There is only so much money around when it comes to athletics (D1 & D2)...and there will be more academic (merit scholarship) money available. I apologize if I insulted you in my original post...I just feel that some folks need to relax and refocus.

If a parent or parents on a team are yelling obnoxious comments on the sideline then the directors need to maturely address them. Blasting out an obnoxious email is juvenile and unprofessional.
Also, parents are entitled to have conversations with coaches. If a girl travels 40 miles every week to attend practice and another player who made 1 practice gets more playing time there is a problem.
Team chemistry and communication will win games. Allowing the same 4 girls on the field at the same time who only pass the ball to each other does nothing.
Finally-what the heck will it take to get goal training?
This is a new organization with potential and a crucial year with make or break decisions for many parents. Stop getting so offended at constructive suggestions and actually spend time with the girls. Good luck this weekend! Go Top Guns!

What age group are you referring to?

Coaches should never ever discuss playing time or strategy with a parent. Everyone has a different opinion & admit it or not wants their kid on the field more than the next kid deep down. How could a coach possibly make everyone happy?? Oh and if everyone gets equal playing time then guess what? You don't win and parents have something else to complain about! And if you're upset about your drive to practice & your kids lack of playing time then look to move to a less competitive team closer to home

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coaches should never ever discuss playing time or strategy with a parent.

BOTC completely and totally disagrees with this view. At the very least, a coach or trainer should sit down with the parent or player BEFORE asking them to sign on the dotted line for the new season to discuss how the player will be used, where the player ranks on the current roster, and how the player will be used during the season. While subject to change based on practices, there is a huge difference accepting a roster spot for 15 minutes per game versus 60 minutes per game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Everyone has a different opinion & admit it or not wants their kid on the field more than the next kid deep down. How could a coach possibly make everyone happy??

Parents and players MOST OFTEN wind up unhappy when EXPECTATIONS are not being met. Expectations should be set by the coach or trainer upon accepting the player to the roster. SURPRISES make parents unhappy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh and if everyone gets equal playing time then guess what? You don't win and parents have something else to complain about!

BOTC believes that competitive travel teams can not and should not allocate equal playing time to all individuals. PAL and house teams are another discussion point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And if you're upset about your drive to practice & your kids lack of playing time then look to move to a less competitive team closer to home

Again, the drive distance is something that the parent should assess long before showing up to the first tryout. The playing time is what a reputable coach will discuss upon accepting a player.

I am the one whose post BOTC Decided to comment on. Allow me to rephrase. Coaches should discuss with the player, first & foremost, their expectations of that individual, what they envision as being their "role" on the team, and how they can improve and possibly earn more playing time. A coach however cannot and should not discuss playing time specifically with a player/parent before the season because what if things change? What If other girls skills have improved more and she takes on a lesser role?? But to say that a parent should have input is completely the wrong route to take, will cause got severe headaches, and tells me you have probably never coached a sport before.

PLAYERS and PARENTS are most unhappy when the kid doesn't play enough AND they don't see the reality of the situation. She's not as skilled as the ones getting time over her.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am the one whose post BOTC Decided to comment on. Allow me to rephrase. Coaches should discuss with the player, first & foremost, their expectations of that individual, what they envision as being their "role" on the team, and how they can improve and possibly earn more playing time. A coach however cannot and should not discuss playing time specifically with a player/parent before the season because what if things change? What If other girls skills have improved more and she takes on a lesser role?? But to say that a parent should have input is completely the wrong route to take, will cause got severe headaches, and tells me you have probably never coached a sport before.

You would be incorrect. I actively coached soccer for more than a decade taking both boys and girls teams to the Region One Premier Leagues, the highest level of competition available at the elite level; our teams competed on a National Level with travel throughout the United States. After my most recent girls team transitioned to their collegiate teams (2009), I hung up my whistle.

The secret to our coaching and national success was our keeping the parents and players informed on our team philosophy, our seasonal goals for each of the teams and players, and our budget. As a result, we placed more than 40 players with teams at the NCAA Division I, Division II, and Division III level.

Make no mistake, the head coach is the ultimate decision maker for the team, but that does not make the team experience a monologue as opposed to a dialogue. Parents can give their input, but that input does NOT make for a decision unto itself.

Regarding your point on playing time changing during the season, we agree that this is a dynamic number. However, a player getting 3/4s of a game should not be demoted to getting 1/4 of a game without having several discussions regarding work ethic (practice effort) which is typically at the root of the problem.

Considering this is a lacrosse forum I can't comment on your teams accomplishments other than to say that you sound very pleased with your success. But there is a time (typically around high school) when the players must take the onus upon themselves to discuss their concerns with the coach. Having these discussions with parents opens Pandora's box. A parents job is to watch the games and support their kids, not to have input on the coach's decisions or the direction of the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Considering this is a lacrosse forum I can't comment on your teams accomplishments other than to say that you sound very pleased with your success. But there is a time (typically around high school) when the players must take the onus upon themselves to discuss their concerns with the coach. Having these discussions with parents opens Pandora's box. A parents job is to watch the games and support their kids, not to have input on the coach's decisions or the direction of the team.

We agree that the High School years are the right time to remove the parent from the coach/player discussion as a first point of contact.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Considering this is a lacrosse forum I can't comment on your teams accomplishments other than to say that you sound very pleased with your success. But there is a time (typically around high school) when the players must take the onus upon themselves to discuss their concerns with the coach. Having these discussions with parents opens Pandora's box. A parents job is to watch the games and support their kids, not to have input on the coach's decisions or the direction of the team.

We agree that the High School years are the right time to remove the parent from the coach/player discussion as a first point of contact.

Cage I adore your posts and appreciate your experience. Curious as to what you suggest a parent do when daughters teammates are mean. My daughter is shy, new to the team and none of the girls make any effort to include her in on anything. She is not the only one, but the other new girls all came from the same town so they at least know each other. They will ve going back to the travel team they came from after te season, in the meantime We still need to get through 4 more tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cage I adore your posts and appreciate your experience. Curious as to what you suggest a parent do when daughters teammates are mean. My daughter is shy, new to the team and none of the girls make any effort to include her in on anything. She is not the only one, but the other new girls all came from the same town so they at least know each other. They will ve going back to the travel team they came from after te season, in the meantime We still need to get through 4 more tournaments.

Building team chemistry is one of the most difficult things in coaching - particularly as a thirty or forty something adult trying to mix a group of teenagers. Some suggestions that worked for our girls side:

If the team has a captain, it is her role (although she might not realize it yet) to be the leader of the team on and off the field. Ask the head coach who the most likely leader might be. She should be responsible for integrating all of the new players to your team.
If you are doing away tournaments and the girls are dorming together, ask the coach if the players can be completely jumbled together for one tournament. No better way to break down existing cliques than making the girls find other friends.
Have your daughter invite a couple of teammates to the house after practice - see how many might be interested.
Arrange for a group dinner at one of the tournaments with parents and players alike. This creates a "secure" environment for your daughter and brings the whole team together.
If doing an overnight tournament, offer to take a group a players along with your daughter to a local mall before lights-out.

Those are just a few ideas. BOTC welcomes other suggestions from our readers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If a parent or parents on a team are yelling obnoxious comments on the sideline then the directors need to maturely address them. Blasting out an obnoxious email is juvenile and unprofessional.
Also, parents are entitled to have conversations with coaches. If a girl travels 40 miles every week to attend practice and another player who made 1 practice gets more playing time there is a problem.
Team chemistry and communication will win games. Allowing the same 4 girls on the field at the same time who only pass the ball to each other does nothing.
Finally-what the heck will it take to get goal training?
This is a new organization with potential and a crucial year with make or break decisions for many parents. Stop getting so offended at constructive suggestions and actually spend time with the girls. Good luck this weekend! Go Top Guns!

To all TG parents. Just SHUT UP and watch the games. If you have an issue call the directors like an adult. If you can't do that just leave. There are lots of clubs for you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If a parent or parents on a team are yelling obnoxious comments on the sideline then the directors need to maturely address them. Blasting out an obnoxious email is juvenile and unprofessional.
Also, parents are entitled to have conversations with coaches. If a girl travels 40 miles every week to attend practice and another player who made 1 practice gets more playing time there is a problem.
Team chemistry and communication will win games. Allowing the same 4 girls on the field at the same time who only pass the ball to each other does nothing.
Finally-what the heck will it take to get goal training?
This is a new organization with potential and a crucial year with make or break decisions for many parents. Stop getting so offended at constructive suggestions and actually spend time with the girls. Good luck this weekend! Go Top Guns!

To all TG parents. Just SHUT UP and watch the games. If you have an issue call the directors like an adult. If you can't do that just leave. There are lots of clubs for you

Somehow I don't think that's a suggestion Cage was referring to..6dehxud

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Considering this is a lacrosse forum I can't comment on your teams accomplishments other than to say that you sound very pleased with your success. But there is a time (typically around high school) when the players must take the onus upon themselves to discuss their concerns with the coach. Having these discussions with parents opens Pandora's box. A parents job is to watch the games and support their kids, not to have input on the coach's decisions or the direction of the team.

Do you honestly think that the TG psycho daddies are going to change their behavior when their kid gets to HS? I can tell you from experience that they don�t.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Considering this is a lacrosse forum I can't comment on your teams accomplishments other than to say that you sound very pleased with your success. But there is a time (typically around high school) when the players must take the onus upon themselves to discuss their concerns with the coach. Having these discussions with parents opens Pandora's box. A parents job is to watch the games and support their kids, not to have input on the coach's decisions or the direction of the team.

Do you honestly think that the TG psycho daddies are going to change their behavior when their kid gets to HS? I can tell you from experience that they don�t.

This is not limited to TG parents. Nor is it limited to lax. There have been countless stories nation wide of parents being arrested because of their behavior regarding their child's involvement in sports.... Hockey, cheering, soccer, football, baseball, softball....

Unfortunately, youth sports brings out the worst in people...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Considering this is a lacrosse forum I can't comment on your teams accomplishments other than to say that you sound very pleased with your success. But there is a time (typically around high school) when the players must take the onus upon themselves to discuss their concerns with the coach. Having these discussions with parents opens Pandora's box. A parents job is to watch the games and support their kids, not to have input on the coach's decisions or the direction of the team.

Do you honestly think that the TG psycho daddies are going to change their behavior when their kid gets to HS? I can tell you from experience that they don�t.

This is not limited to TG parents. Nor is it limited to lax. There have been countless stories nation wide of parents being arrested because of their behavior regarding their child's involvement in sports.... Hockey, cheering, soccer, football, baseball, softball....

Unfortunately, youth sports brings out the worst in people...

That's exactly right...the TG psycho daddies references are so old, and played out. It's in ALL sports, unfortunately...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Considering this is a lacrosse forum I can't comment on your teams accomplishments other than to say that you sound very pleased with your success. But there is a time (typically around high school) when the players must take the onus upon themselves to discuss their concerns with the coach. Having these discussions with parents opens Pandora's box. A parents job is to watch the games and support their kids, not to have input on the coach's decisions or the direction of the team.

Do you honestly think that the TG psycho daddies are going to change their behavior when their kid gets to HS? I can tell you from experience that they don�t.

Kinda like the YJ Psycho Mommies...they are a real prize let me tell ya. And they simply won't shut up nor will they stop making asses of themselves. Very funny to watch really. For example the posts regarding TG psycho daddies are written by a YJ Psycho Mommy........HILARIOUS! Go to a SA, Mt. Sinai or ESM game for verification!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Considering this is a lacrosse forum I can't comment on your teams accomplishments other than to say that you sound very pleased with your success. But there is a time (typically around high school) when the players must take the onus upon themselves to discuss their concerns with the coach. Having these discussions with parents opens Pandora's box. A parents job is to watch the games and support their kids, not to have input on the coach's decisions or the direction of the team.

Do you honestly think that the TG psycho daddies are going to change their behavior when their kid gets to HS? I can tell you from experience that they don�t.

Kinda like the YJ Psycho Mommies...they are a real prize let me tell ya. And they simply won't shut up nor will they stop making asses of themselves. Very funny to watch really. For example the posts regarding TG psycho daddies are written by a YJ Psycho Mommy........HILARIOUS! Go to a SA, Mt. Sinai or ESM game for verification!

That is really a poor attempt to deflect the attention from some of the ignorant parents in your group.I can tell you some of these out of state tournament organizers are getting tired of your club. You have kids stealing, then the out of control parents, then you have the childish e-mail writing campaign telling the tournament organizers how devastated the kids on the younger teams are that the playoffs have been canceled.You guys are truly desperate to say you have won a tournament, calm down they are little kids who cares. Northwestern is not looking to see how your team does in 5-6 grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Considering this is a lacrosse forum I can't comment on your teams accomplishments other than to say that you sound very pleased with your success. But there is a time (typically around high school) when the players must take the onus upon themselves to discuss their concerns with the coach. Having these discussions with parents opens Pandora's box. A parents job is to watch the games and support their kids, not to have input on the coach's decisions or the direction of the team.

Do you honestly think that the TG psycho daddies are going to change their behavior when their kid gets to HS? I can tell you from experience that they don�t.

Kinda like the YJ Psycho Mommies...they are a real prize let me tell ya. And they simply won't shut up nor will they stop making asses of themselves. Very funny to watch really. For example the posts regarding TG psycho daddies are written by a YJ Psycho Mommy........HILARIOUS! Go to a SA, Mt. Sinai or ESM game for verification!

Your ranting is confusing me... Why are you bringing up these schools??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Considering this is a lacrosse forum I can't comment on your teams accomplishments other than to say that you sound very pleased with your success. But there is a time (typically around high school) when the players must take the onus upon themselves to discuss their concerns with the coach. Having these discussions with parents opens Pandora's box. A parents job is to watch the games and support their kids, not to have input on the coach's decisions or the direction of the team.

Do you honestly think that the TG psycho daddies are going to change their behavior when their kid gets to HS? I can tell you from experience that they don�t.

Kinda like the YJ Psycho Mommies...they are a real prize let me tell ya. And they simply won't shut up nor will they stop making asses of themselves. Very funny to watch really. For example the posts regarding TG psycho daddies are written by a YJ Psycho Mommy........HILARIOUS! Go to a SA, Mt. Sinai or ESM game for verification!

That is really a poor attempt to deflect the attention from some of the ignorant parents in your group.I can tell you some of these out of state tournament organizers are getting tired of your club. You have kids stealing, then the out of control parents, then you have the childish e-mail writing campaign telling the tournament organizers how devastated the kids on the younger teams are that the playoffs have been canceled.You guys are truly desperate to say you have won a tournament, calm down they are little kids who cares. Northwestern is not looking to see how your team does in 5-6 grade.

Now you know why you don�t see that many TG vs YJ games at these out of state tournaments. The organizers are probably afraid that a major brawl is going to erupt between the Psycho Daddies and Psycho Mommies from both groups. It�s pretty sad that the level of animosity between the two groups is so high. Grow up folks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Considering this is a lacrosse forum I can't comment on your teams accomplishments other than to say that you sound very pleased with your success. But there is a time (typically around high school) when the players must take the onus upon themselves to discuss their concerns with the coach. Having these discussions with parents opens Pandora's box. A parents job is to watch the games and support their kids, not to have input on the coach's decisions or the direction of the team.

Do you honestly think that the TG psycho daddies are going to change their behavior when their kid gets to HS? I can tell you from experience that they don�t.

Kinda like the YJ Psycho Mommies...they are a real prize let me tell ya. And they simply won't shut up nor will they stop making asses of themselves. Very funny to watch really. For example the posts regarding TG psycho daddies are written by a YJ Psycho Mommy........HILARIOUS! Go to a SA, Mt. Sinai or ESM game for verification!

That is really a poor attempt to deflect the attention from some of the ignorant parents in your group.I can tell you some of these out of state tournament organizers are getting tired of your club. You have kids stealing, then the out of control parents, then you have the childish e-mail writing campaign telling the tournament organizers how devastated the kids on the younger teams are that the playoffs have been canceled.You guys are truly desperate to say you have won a tournament, calm down they are little kids who cares. Northwestern is not looking to see how your team does in 5-6 grade.

Don�t forget the TG kid skipping off the field after she was red carded at the Shamrock Shootout.

What is so unique about the culture of Long Island that results in such a high percentage of the parents associated with ALL of the teams from that locale being incredibly loud and unbearably obnoxious?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is so unique about the culture of Long Island that results in such a high percentage of the parents associated with ALL of the teams from that locale being incredibly loud and unbearably obnoxious?

I think there is something in the water, but ya gotta admit we have some awesome Pizza, Bagels and Chinese Food here.

I have been traveling with my daughters for three years now with TG and I have seen it all from both sides of the field. Every team has that one Mom or Dad that just doesn't know how to keep their mouths shut about anything. They will bark at the refs, scream instructions to their daughter, and moan out loud when another player on their daughters team misses a ground ball or the goalie lets in an easy goal "how could she".

Why do they act this way ?? probably because the only person to ever tell them to shut up is there 11 year old daughter that is mortified by their constant diarrea of the mouth.

What these parents don't realize is that a majority of the other parents on the sidelines are equally mortified by their behavior and humored by it. We all know who that parent is on each of our girls teams and as the season goes on it only gets worse for everyone involved.

I have found that when a coach has a team meeting before the first game and gives the parents instructions on what their roll is on the sidelines with specific instructions on what they are allowed to say things are drastically improved. On the various youth teams that I coach I tell the parents they are only allowed to cheer for the kids and encourage hustle and agressive clean play. If they want to criticise or coach their kids do it in the car or at home. When this relationship is created from day one the kids stop looking over their shoulder at mommy and daddy and learn to listen to the coaches and play in the "TEAM" system that the coach is trying to develop for every athelete.

Parents please try to just sit back and enjoy the ride. The girls do not need sideline coaches telling them everything they have to do. Your daughters made the team because the evaluators saw the talent that they have. We as parents should sit back and allow them to play the game. At some point we have to trust the coaches and our daughters. It is ok for them to make mistakes it will teach them to be better players. Trust that all that you and her youth coaches have taught them will flourish at this level. They know what to do on the field you have to cut the cord and allow them to make the split second decisions that THEY have to make all by themselves. It may not be the correct decision but the coaches will correct them and they will become better teammates and athletes.

At the younger ages it is all of the other parents that are watching you destroy your daughters experiences. Please correct your behavior now before she gets to the recruiting age and the college coaches start crossing her name off of their list because of your behavior. As good as your daughter may be there are 50 more girls just as good as her without all of the bagage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is so unique about the culture of Long Island that results in such a high percentage of the parents associated with ALL of the teams from that locale being incredibly loud and unbearably obnoxious?

At least on this web site you can rule out the loud part, but the obnoxious part is here for all to see. But these threads are exposure by choice, on the side line you have no choice but to hear these people. I applaud the tg email spelling out the expected behavior, yj have the same exact problem, maybe worse with respect to parents behavior both on the sidelines and online. To bad a few idiots give all of long island lacrosse a black eye.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Considering this is a lacrosse forum I can't comment on your teams accomplishments other than to say that you sound very pleased with your success. But there is a time (typically around high school) when the players must take the onus upon themselves to discuss their concerns with the coach. Having these discussions with parents opens Pandora's box. A parents job is to watch the games and support their kids, not to have input on the coach's decisions or the direction of the team.

Do you honestly think that the TG psycho daddies are going to change their behavior when their kid gets to HS? I can tell you from experience that they don�t.

Kinda like the YJ Psycho Mommies...they are a real prize let me tell ya. And they simply won't shut up nor will they stop making asses of themselves. Very funny to watch really. For example the posts regarding TG psycho daddies are written by a YJ Psycho Mommy........HILARIOUS! Go to a SA, Mt. Sinai or ESM game for verification!

Your ranting is confusing me... Why are you bringing up these schools??

If you�re confused, you may want to consider a remedial reading course. This is a pretty simple paragraph.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is so unique about the culture of Long Island that results in such a high percentage of the parents associated with ALL of the teams from that locale being incredibly loud and unbearably obnoxious?

At least on this web site you can rule out the loud part, but the obnoxious part is here for all to see. But these threads are exposure by choice, on the side line you have no choice but to hear these people. I applaud the tg email spelling out the expected behavior, yj have the same exact problem, maybe worse with respect to parents behavior both on the sidelines and online. To bad a few idiots give all of long island lacrosse a black eye.

Anyone who makes a blanket statement like that is just an ignorant jacka##. Would you then agree that all people from your state are toothless, uneducated dolts. I wouldn't say that, but based on your quote earlier, you might.

Yea thats right. Just because you married your cousin who plays the banjo wearing overalls doesn't give you the right to be critical of us islanders!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yea thats right. Just because you married your cousin who plays the banjo wearing overalls doesn't give you the right to be critical of us islanders!!!!!

umm.... Here's the sad part guys, I made that comment and I am from LI. Most of us LI parents are sane and normal and can control ourselves on the sideline, but a few bad apples...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yea thats right. Just because you married your cousin who plays the banjo wearing overalls doesn't give you the right to be critical of us islanders!!!!!

Nice comment. Truly trashy to say the least.

For the Maryland contingent tuning in let me burst your etiquette bubble. You folks scream, yell at the refs and your kids as much or more than the very L.I. Parents you love to crucify. I have been around you conceited loud mouths for many years and it's funny how you denounce L.I. yet act worse. You do it in your pressed matching Ralph Lauren outfits with your noses up in the air while screaming at your daughters. And speaking of accents...your Maryland accent is quite feminine and also quite annoying in it's own right. I guess the difference is you all think you are better than every one else so you think it's ok to talk smack. Truth is you are probably compensating for something... (guys you know what your compensating for) and you women will get a pass as we are still waiting for you to get off the midday vodka binges. See you on the field you pompous Schmucks.

LOL go strong island

Top Guns 17 coaches need to insist te girls PASS the all or pull them out of the game. You can scream all you want, it's obvious certain girls refuse to listen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns 17 coaches need to insist te girls PASS the all or pull them out of the game. You can scream all you want, it's obvious certain girls refuse to listen.

Why not talk to the club? That's the adult thing to do that will possibly yield some real results. Posting here is WAY easier and takes no maturity or courage and will certainly yield NO results. Seems the choice is clear. TALK TO THE DIRECTORS either by phone or in person. They are very approachable. Only if your interested in getting some results. If not I guess we will all hear your pot stirring complaints on here again and again. Good luck!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns 17 coaches need to insist te girls PASS the all or pull them out of the game. You can scream all you want, it's obvious certain girls refuse to listen.

Why not talk to the club? That's the adult thing to do that will possibly yield some real results. Posting here is WAY easier and takes no maturity or courage and will certainly yield NO results. Seems the choice is clear. TALK TO THE DIRECTORS either by phone or in person. They are very approachable. Only if your interested in getting some results. If not I guess we will all hear your pot stirring complaints on here again and again. Good luck!

One of the directors was there, yelled at the team to pass the ball and girls didn't listen. Just ignored him. Say what you want about YJ but in my experience the organization doesn't allow this go to the goal crap. Warning to all-the grass is NOT always greener.

real bad weekend for you guys. try the B tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yea thats right. Just because you married your cousin who plays the banjo wearing overalls doesn't give you the right to be critical of us islanders!!!!!

Nice comment. Truly trashy to say the least.

Oh yea while eating your stupid chesapeake crab cake thing!!

.....And wearing those dumb looking Maryland flag uniforms.

....and those funny sailing outfits....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

real bad weekend for you guys. try the B tournaments.

scores would indicate that three quarters of the teams at the Draw don't belong there - more lopsided games than close ones by far, but as long as cr gets to stack the brackets to her liking its all good

Its because of people like you that gives LI a bad name! Mostly good people who just want to enjoy the game and are proud of what all the teams accomplish. If you hadn't been so pompous all these weeks beating your chests telling everyone you were going to win maybe you wouldn't look so foolish. As many have said before, let the girls play and enjoy the game. It wont be long until they will be in and over with college. Take a page from some of the other LI teams that finished ahead of you, haven't said a word about it and have some class!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

real bad weekend for you guys. try the B tournaments.

So according to you we should all play in B tournaments and keep quiet. Who would trashy drop outs like you have to unload their elementary school rank outs on? Go buy a new too tight for your body Under Armour suit to highlight your back rolls you ridiculous YJ mommy. Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its because of people like you that gives LI a bad name! Mostly good people who just want to enjoy the game and are proud of what all the teams accomplish. If you hadn't been so pompous all these weeks beating your chests telling everyone you were going to win maybe you wouldn't look so foolish. As many have said before, let the girls play and enjoy the game. It wont be long until they will be in and over with college. Take a page from some of the other LI teams that finished ahead of you, haven't said a word about it and have some class!

Class?...the YJs?...your joking right? or is it the All Stars who had a girl refuse to shake hands after their final loss? WHO? Please reveal this classy organization. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For the Maryland contingent tuning in let me burst your etiquette bubble. You folks scream, yell at the refs and your kids as much or more than the very L.I. Parents you love to crucify. I have been around you conceited loud mouths for many years and it's funny how you denounce L.I. yet act worse. You do it in your pressed matching Ralph Lauren outfits with your noses up in the air while screaming at your daughters. And speaking of accents...your Maryland accent is quite feminine and also quite annoying in it's own right. I guess the difference is you all think you are better than every one else so you think it's ok to talk smack. Truth is you are probably compensating for something... (guys you know what your compensating for) and you women will get a pass as we are still waiting for you to get off the midday vodka binges. See you on the field you pompous Schmucks.

0-4 vs M&D Black. I can understand your frustration

Originally Posted by Anonymous

real bad weekend for you guys. try the B tournaments.

So according to you we should all play in B tournaments and keep quiet. Who would trashy drop outs like you have to unload their elementary school rank outs on? Go buy a new too tight for your body Under Armour suit to highlight your back rolls you ridiculous YJ mommy. Lol

Seriously that's the best you can come up with ... <<Deleted Content>> ... Nice weekend for you guys ,still have yet to have a team beat get a quality win.Horrible uniforms, horrible coaching,terrible results, <<Deleted Content>>,my guess the refs are against you because "maybe your too good." Get out while you can .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For the Maryland contingent tuning in let me burst your etiquette bubble. You folks scream, yell at the refs and your kids as much or more than the very L.I. Parents you love to crucify. I have been around you conceited loud mouths for many years and it's funny how you denounce L.I. yet act worse. You do it in your pressed matching Ralph Lauren outfits with your noses up in the air while screaming at your daughters. And speaking of accents...your Maryland accent is quite feminine and also quite annoying in it's own right. I guess the difference is you all think you are better than every one else so you think it's ok to talk smack. Truth is you are probably compensating for something... (guys you know what your compensating for) and you women will get a pass as we are still waiting for you to get off the midday vodka binges. See you on the field you pompous Schmucks.

0-4 vs M&D Black. I can understand your frustration

Frustrated with you and your pompous attitude and annoying accent and comments during games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For the Maryland contingent tuning in let me burst your etiquette bubble. You folks scream, yell at the refs and your kids as much or more than the very L.I. Parents you love to crucify. I have been around you conceited loud mouths for many years and it's funny how you denounce L.I. yet act worse. You do it in your pressed matching Ralph Lauren outfits with your noses up in the air while screaming at your daughters. And speaking of accents...your Maryland accent is quite feminine and also quite annoying in it's own right. I guess the difference is you all think you are better than every one else so you think it's ok to talk smack. Truth is you are probably compensating for something... (guys you know what your compensating for) and you women will get a pass as we are still waiting for you to get off the midday vodka binges. See you on the field you pompous Schmucks.

0-4 vs M&D Black. I can understand your frustration

Frustrated with you and your pompous attitude and annoying accent and comments during games.

I guess the TG Psycho daddies are not too happy this morning. TG 2019 Black got smoked by M&D 2019 Black yesterday. At least your rival YJ clubs made their games against M&D interesting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe they are too good just like that player who got cut from the national team ,she was too good so they did not want her to show up the best players in the country,too funny.

Predictions

2020--TG
2019--TG
2018--YJ
2017--MD. Mainly bc no YJ
2016--MD
2015--YJ
2014 YJ

3 out of 7...with some surprising results. Team Elevate winning 2017 and YJ Jones winning 2020. Another surprise, no lightning and thunder!

I am quite happy this morning, had a little girl that had a great time and was very happy but very tired. Got to play at some beautiful fields (terrible parking). She went 2-2, did some shopping, ate some ice cream and slept on the way home.
thanks a happy tg father.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am quite happy this morning, had a little girl that had a great time and was very happy but very tired. Got to play at some beautiful fields (terrible parking). She went 2-2, did some shopping, ate some ice cream and slept on the way home.
thanks a happy tg father.

Great post - reminds me of my tournament coaching and parenting days. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am quite happy this morning, had a little girl that had a great time and was very happy but very tired. Got to play at some beautiful fields (terrible parking). She went 2-2, did some shopping, ate some ice cream and slept on the way home.
thanks a happy tg father.

After reading some previous posts, I'm sure there are some disappointed parents. When all is said and done, your quote is what it's all about. My daughters team didn't do as well as they'd hoped, but ya know what? She can't wait to do it again.

thank you, finally we have a post from an adult

Great weekend...love those sno balls!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe they are too good just like that player who got cut from the national team ,she was too good so they did not want her to show up the best players in the country,too funny.

Predictions

2020--TG
2019--TG
2018--YJ
2017--MD. Mainly bc no YJ
2016--MD
2015--YJ
2014 YJ

3 out of 7...with some surprising results. Team Elevate winning 2017 and YJ Jones winning 2020. Another surprise, no lightning and thunder!

What happened TG you won Nothing now stop bragging how great your teams are!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe they are too good just like that player who got cut from the national team ,she was too good so they did not want her to show up the best players in the country,too funny.

Predictions

2020--TG
2019--TG
2018--YJ
2017--MD. Mainly bc no YJ
2016--MD
2015--YJ
2014 YJ

3 out of 7...with some surprising results. Team Elevate winning 2017 and YJ Jones winning 2020. Another surprise, no lightning and thunder!

What happened TG you won Nothing now stop bragging how great your teams are!!

TG 2016 We have great teams with great coaches. I happen to like the organization along with the other parents on the team. I'm sure my daughter could play on YJ Blue, but if it ain't broke don't fix it. I have respect for any girl that goes out onto the field and plays the game hard. I love to see great lacrosse. My daughter has friends on many top LI teams including the YJ. I wish them luck all the time. If we don't win the championship I am rooting for another LI Team. We put 2 teams in the semi's, sound like an excellent organization to me.

I will say this ,on my daughters YJ team several TG players came over to cheer on one of their yellow jacket friends. Nice to see and the girls could not have been more nice to one another.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I will say this ,on my daughters YJ team several TG players came over to cheer on one of their yellow jacket friends. Nice to see and the girls could not have been more nice to one another.

Of course they are nice to each other..they are friends. It's the parents with the issues..learn from your kids for once.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I will say this ,on my daughters YJ team several TG players came over to cheer on one of their yellow jacket friends. Nice to see and the girls could not have been more nice to one another.

Now you are getting it. It's not the kid's but the crazy parents and let's be honest every club has them .Hope you and your family had as much fun as we did enjoy the rest of your summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

real bad weekend for you guys. try the B tournaments.

So according to you we should all play in B tournaments and keep quiet. Who would trashy drop outs like you have to unload their elementary school rank outs on? Go buy a new too tight for your body Under Armour suit to highlight your back rolls you ridiculous YJ mommy. Lol

Seriously that's the best you can come up with ... <<Deleted Content>> ... Nice weekend for you guys ,still have yet to have a team beat get a quality win.Horrible

uniforms, horrible coaching,terrible results, <<Deleted Content>>,my guess the refs are against you because "maybe your too good." Get out while you can .

Your come back is weak.

Really Sage? This has deteriorated into a venue for truly disgusting insults and a poor reflection of the overall lax community.

Civility coupled with clearly articulated evidence based assertions would be much more productive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

real bad weekend for you guys. try the B tournaments.

So according to you we should all play in B tournaments and keep quiet. Who would trashy drop outs like you have to unload their elementary school rank outs on? Go buy a new too tight for your body Under Armour suit to highlight your back rolls you ridiculous YJ mommy. Lol

Seriously that's the best you can come up with ... <<Deleted Content>> ... Nice weekend for you guys ,still have yet to have a team beat get a quality win.Horrible

uniforms, horrible coaching,terrible results, <<Deleted Content>>,my guess the refs are against you because "maybe your too good." Get out while you can .

Your come back is weak.

Just like the play of your TG teams this weekend.

Please go back to your YJ site. Stop the hate on the TG thread. Why do you care so much about a team that your daughter clearly doesn't play on? Try enjoying the summer with your loved ones and spend less time on here. All this crazy anger about youth sports really isn't worth it. Good luck with the rest of your season, TG Parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

real bad weekend for you guys. try the B tournaments.

So according to you we should all play in B tournaments and keep quiet. Who would trashy drop outs like you have to unload their elementary school rank outs on? Go buy a new too tight for your body Under Armour suit to highlight your back rolls you ridiculous YJ mommy. Lol

Seriously that's the best you can come up with ... <<Deleted Content>> ... Nice weekend for you guys ,still have yet to have a team beat get a quality win.Horrible

uniforms, horrible coaching,terrible results, <<Deleted Content>>,my guess the refs are against you because "maybe your too good." Get out while you can .

Your come back is weak.

I see you ditched your stupid Maryland hat for a new YJ hat. I bet by the end of the season, you�ll be persona non grata with that team as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe they are too good just like that player who got cut from the national team ,she was too good so they did not want her to show up the best players in the country,too funny.

Predictions

2020--TG
2019--TG
2018--YJ
2017--MD. Mainly bc no YJ
2016--MD
2015--YJ
2014 YJ

3 out of 7...with some surprising results. Team Elevate winning 2017 and YJ Jones winning 2020. Another surprise, no lightning and thunder!

Thank goodness there was no thunder or lightning, or we may have had to experience another Psycho daddy meltdown.

Uniforms are horrible, an opponenent said to my daughter that she felt bad for her because she had to play in a pinnie. Saw one girl who was big that it didnt even fit. I dont know why Bill wont buck up and get something nice with the players last name on it, many have expressed this to him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Uniforms are horrible, an opponenent said to my daughter that she felt bad for her because she had to play in a pinnie. Saw one girl who was big that it didnt even fit. I dont know why Bill wont buck up and get something nice with the players last name on it, many have expressed this to him.

Get ready- now will come the "if you don't like the uniforms just leave"comment. They can't take constructive criticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Uniforms are horrible, an opponenent said to my daughter that she felt bad for her because she had to play in a pinnie. Saw one girl who was big that it didnt even fit. I dont know why Bill wont buck up and get something nice with the players last name on it, many have expressed this to him.

Get ready- now will come the "if you don't like the uniforms just leave"comment. They can't take constructive criticism.

When you post on the same theme multiple times, it does become bothersome. BOTC does not know why you will not call Bill and have the discussion with him.

If this is an issue of such passion for you, collect $75.00-$100.00 per family, contact TYJA here on the BOTC Web Site, and order a new set of uniforms for your team at a 10% discount for mentioning BOTC. Problem solved for you, your daughter, and the entire legion of readers who have read just about enough of the waifs in tatters from the Top Guns program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]the only time a yJ #1 team will play a topgun team is when CR knows that she can beat them easily. otherwise she will do everything in her power to avoid topguns.

Maybe they are too good just like that player who got cut from the national team ,she was too good so they did not want her to show up the best players in the country,too funny.

Predictions

2020--TG
2019--TG
2018--YJ
2017--MD. Mainly bc no YJ
2016--MD
2015--YJ
2014 YJ

How can you make predictions like this? My daughter plays for 2020 black and I have no idea how good they might be. Are you scouting 2020 teams from Other states.
Lets just go and compete and let the girls leave it all on the field, win or lose.
Good luck to everyone this week, all teams, and all ages.

First off they are predictions so stop being so politically correct, and just because you have no idea how good the team can be doesn't mean I don't.You are going to look like a moron when they win the tournament, the only thing that will hurt this team is there are some difficult parents and the politics will be an issue in a hurry.Another prediction they win this weekends tournament.If you want to know the reasons for said predictions I can give you many.

Funny I don't feel like a moron. I watched M&D 2020 Black and TG has a long way to go before they can compete at this level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]the only time a yJ #1 team will play a topgun team is when CR knows that she can beat them easily. otherwise she will do everything in her power to avoid topguns.

Maybe they are too good just like that player who got cut from the national team ,she was too good so they did not want her to show up the best players in the country,too funny.

Predictions

2020--TG
2019--TG
2018--YJ
2017--MD. Mainly bc no YJ
2016--MD
2015--YJ
2014 YJ

How can you make predictions like this? My daughter plays for 2020 black and I have no idea how good they might be. Are you scouting 2020 teams from Other states.
Lets just go and compete and let the girls leave it all on the field, win or lose.
Good luck to everyone this week, all teams, and all ages.

First off they are predictions so stop being so politically correct, and just because you have no idea how good the team can be doesn't mean I don't.You are going to look like a moron when they win the tournament, the only thing that will hurt this team is there are some difficult parents and the politics will be an issue in a hurry.Another prediction they win this weekends tournament.If you want to know the reasons for said predictions I can give you many.

Funny I don't feel like a moron. I watched M&D 2020 Black and TG has a long way to go before they can compete at this level.

Define a long way to go? M&D barely lost to YJ Curcio and TG did fine. These kids are 10 or 11 years old, some will get better and some will not. Next year more girls will try out and our team will get better still. I think the TG program will continue to strengthen in this age group, you just need to have patience. Even the YJ teams will go through changes. I'm not sure if they are trying to make 2 strong "blue" teams there, but knowing a bunch of the girls personally, they have a number of A team players playing on YJ Jones who could easily play on the other team. Their victory this past weekend only further proves my point.

I noticed that many of the younger YJ team were wearing pinny uniforms too. Then noticed that more teams at the national draw wore pinnies than full blown expensive uniforms. If nice uniforms are your deal breaker,that's funny or sad, not sure which.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]the only time a yJ #1 team will play a topgun team is when CR knows that she can beat them easily. otherwise she will do everything in her power to avoid topguns.

Maybe they are too good just like that player who got cut from the national team ,she was too good so they did not want her to show up the best players in the country,too funny.

Predictions

2020--TG
2019--TG
2018--YJ
2017--MD. Mainly bc no YJ
2016--MD
2015--YJ
2014 YJ

How can you make predictions like this? My daughter plays for 2020 black and I have no idea how good they might be. Are you scouting 2020 teams from Other states.
Lets just go and compete and let the girls leave it all on the field, win or lose.
Good luck to everyone this week, all teams, and all ages.

First off they are predictions so stop being so politically correct, and just because you have no idea how good the team can be doesn't mean I don't.You are going to look like a moron when they win the tournament, the only thing that will hurt this team is there are some difficult parents and the politics will be an issue in a hurry.Another prediction they win this weekends tournament.If you want to know the reasons for said predictions I can give you many.

Funny I don't feel like a moron. I watched M&D 2020 Black and TG has a long way to go before they can compete at this level.

First daughter playing LAX, it's OK newb! Let me tell you a little story about a little girl on the YJ Blue team. She played on our town team and she was the best kid in the land. Then the girls caught up to her , and some even surpassed her. She is a great girl and a better than avg LAX Player, but then again the girls who had never held a stick in their hand, well..... They are better in some cases and play on different teams. THE END

Moral of the story: A great 10 year old LAX Player doesn't mean all that much, except that she is a great 10 year old LAX Player. I wish her luck in all she does. My oldest plays D1 LAX and my younger daughter plays for TG and we are happy and wouldn't play anywhere else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]the only time a yJ #1 team will play a topgun team is when CR knows that she can beat them easily. otherwise she will do everything in her power to avoid topguns.

Maybe they are too good just like that player who got cut from the national team ,she was too good so they did not want her to show up the best players in the country,too funny.

Predictions

2020--TG
2019--TG
2018--YJ
2017--MD. Mainly bc no YJ
2016--MD
2015--YJ
2014 YJ

How can you make predictions like this? My daughter plays for 2020 black and I have no idea how good they might be. Are you scouting 2020 teams from Other states.
Lets just go and compete and let the girls leave it all on the field, win or lose.
Good luck to everyone this week, all teams, and all ages.

First off they are predictions so stop being so politically correct, and just because you have no idea how good the team can be doesn't mean I don't.You are going to look like a moron when they win the tournament, the only thing that will hurt this team is there are some difficult parents and the politics will be an issue in a hurry.Another prediction they win this weekends tournament.If you want to know the reasons for said predictions I can give you many.

Funny I don't feel like a moron. I watched M&D 2020 Black and TG has a long way to go before they can compete at this level.

Define a long way to go? M&D barely lost to YJ Curcio and TG did fine. These kids are 10 or 11 years old, some will get better and some will not. Next year more girls will try out and our team will get better still. I think the TG program will continue to strengthen in this age group, you just need to have patience. Even the YJ teams will go through changes. I'm not sure if they are trying to make 2 strong "blue" teams there, but knowing a bunch of the girls personally, they have a number of A team players playing on YJ Jones who could easily play on the other team. Their victory this past weekend only further proves my point.

Maybe you can get those girls to tryout for TG!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]the only time a yJ #1 team will play a topgun team is when CR knows that she can beat them easily. otherwise she will do everything in her power to avoid topguns.

Maybe they are too good just like that player who got cut from the national team ,she was too good so they did not want her to show up the best players in the country,too funny.

Predictions

2020--TG
2019--TG
2018--YJ
2017--MD. Mainly bc no YJ
2016--MD
2015--YJ
2014 YJ

How can you make predictions like this? My daughter plays for 2020 black and I have no idea how good they might be. Are you scouting 2020 teams from Other states.
Lets just go and compete and let the girls leave it all on the field, win or lose.
Good luck to everyone this week, all teams, and all ages.

First off they are predictions so stop being so politically correct, and just because you have no idea how good the team can be doesn't mean I don't.You are going to look like a moron when they win the tournament, the only thing that will hurt this team is there are some difficult parents and the politics will be an issue in a hurry.Another prediction they win this weekends tournament.If you want to know the reasons for said predictions I can give you many.

Funny I don't feel like a moron. I watched M&D 2020 Black and TG has a long way to go before they can compete at this level.

Define a long way to go? M&D barely lost to YJ Curcio and TG did fine. These kids are 10 or 11 years old, some will get better and some will not. Next year more girls will try out and our team will get better still. I think the TG program will continue to strengthen in this age group, you just need to have patience. Even the YJ teams will go through changes. I'm not sure if they are trying to make 2 strong "blue" teams there, but knowing a bunch of the girls personally, they have a number of A team players playing on YJ Jones who could easily play on the other team. Their victory this past weekend only further proves my point.

Define fine. The team played terribly, actually did not play as a team but instead have a couple of complete ball hogs who do not pass the ball.This team is also starting to get the thuggish reputation and I cannot say they don't deserve it.The game against MD was not even close and your points about YJ just show that the team does have a long way to go. I thought the talent level was higher on the team but if YJ are 2 teams deep at this age with highly competitive players what happens when the best players are combined? Yes I get they are young and many things will change but the style of play concerns me, by that I mean a lack of team play andva lack of correction on overly aggressive behavior on the field.Before you throw out the there are plenty of other teams out there so just leave stuff or go talk to the coach I would have but could not as we had no coach there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]the only time a yJ #1 team will play a topgun team is when CR knows that she can beat them easily. otherwise she will do everything in her power to avoid topguns.

Maybe they are too good just like that player who got cut from the national team ,she was too good so they did not want her to show up the best players in the country,too funny.

Predictions

2020--TG
2019--TG
2018--YJ
2017--MD. Mainly bc no YJ
2016--MD
2015--YJ
2014 YJ

How can you make predictions like this? My daughter plays for 2020 black and I have no idea how good they might be. Are you scouting 2020 teams from Other states.
Lets just go and compete and let the girls leave it all on the field, win or lose.
Good luck to everyone this week, all teams, and all ages.

First off they are predictions so stop being so politically correct, and just because you have no idea how good the team can be doesn't mean I don't.You are going to look like a moron when they win the tournament, the only thing that will hurt this team is there are some difficult parents and the politics will be an issue in a hurry.Another prediction they win this weekends tournament.If you want to know the reasons for said predictions I can give you many.

Funny I don't feel like a moron. I watched M&D 2020 Black and TG has a long way to go before they can compete at this level.

Define a long way to go? M&D barely lost to YJ Curcio and TG did fine. These kids are 10 or 11 years old, some will get better and some will not. Next year more girls will try out and our team will get better still. I think the TG program will continue to strengthen in this age group, you just need to have patience. Even the YJ teams will go through changes. I'm not sure if they are trying to make 2 strong "blue" teams there, but knowing a bunch of the girls personally, they have a number of A team players playing on YJ Jones who could easily play on the other team. Their victory this past weekend only further proves my point.

Define fine. The team played terribly, actually did not play as a team but instead have a couple of complete ball hogs who do not pass the ball.This team is also starting to get the thuggish reputation and I cannot say they don't deserve it.The game against MD was not even close and your points about YJ just show that the team does have a long way to go. I thought the talent level was higher on the team but if YJ are 2 teams deep at this age with highly competitive players what happens when the best players are combined? Yes I get they are young and many things will change but the style of play concerns me, by that I mean a lack of team play andva lack of correction on overly aggressive behavior on the field.Before you throw out the there are plenty of other teams out there so just leave stuff or go talk to the coach I would have but could not as we had no coach there.

Don't be a fool go to YJ now,parents are already talking about tryouts and some have good friends over at YJ won't be a difficult transition for some. don't get left holding the bag

Interesting way to look at the rankings of D1, D2, D3 schools overall success in all 18 sports. Its from Learfield Sports and USA Today. Consistency across mutiple sports is tough D1 winners were Stanford, Florida and Ucla but all 291 D1 schools were ranked. http://thedirectorscup.com/

2020 Black hands down for this tournament. Kicking a@# and taking names.

Yeah Carle Place town team and 2021 express is something to brag about!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 Black hands down for this tournament. Kicking a@# and taking names.

TG should win every age but 2017, not much competition at this one.

your talking 5th grade ,,, Any news on how any of the other ages are doing ?

[quote=Anonymous]Yeah Carle Place town team and 2021 express is something to brag about!!!

Whatever we'll see you Delaware and show you who the top team is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 Black hands down for this tournament. Kicking a@# and taking names.

TG should win every age but 2017, not much competition at this one.

Congratulations 2017 TG Black for winning championships. Beat Team Elevate 3-2 in a nail bitter. Never say never!!!!

How'd our 2020's do in the tourney?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How'd our 2020's do in the tourney?

Like you don't know

Finally got to see Bill coach first hand yesterday. Now I know what everyone is talking about. Lots of yelling, very little coaching. This is what people are paying for? Crazy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Finally got to see Bill coach first hand yesterday. Now I know what everyone is talking about. Lots of yelling, very little coaching. This is what people are paying for? Crazy.

Did you happen to see/hear the Elevate coaches? That's what people are paying for? Please....if you are unhappy find the club that meets your needs and makes you happy. Every experience is different for everyone. There are lots of complaints against Carol Rose and YJ and yet there are satisfied customers too. Whatever floats your boat...just stop the complaining.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 Black hands down for this tournament. Kicking a@# and taking names.

TG should win every age but 2017, not much competition at this one.

Congratulations 2017 TG Black for winning championships. Beat Team Elevate 3-2 in a nail bitter. Never say never!!!!

Congratulations Black. TG Purple played all of the higher ranked teams in the tournament and held their own. Nice weather too.

Higher ranked teams, higher ranked in what, this tournament was a joke especially in the recruiting ages.Next year stay away from the same weekend as under armor , spoke w friend down there who said there must have been 75 coaches lined up , although he did say uncommitted games were a nightmare , at 2014 age slim pickings, and at 2016 age ball hog galore especially w one or ten Long Island kids.2015 was somewhere in between the two.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Higher ranked teams, higher ranked in what, this tournament was a joke especially in the recruiting ages.Next year stay away from the same weekend as under armor , spoke w friend down there who said there must have been 75 coaches lined up , although he did say uncommitted games were a nightmare , at 2014 age slim pickings, and at 2016 age ball hog galore especially w one or ten Long Island kids.2015 was somewhere in between the two.

Higher ranked means if a club has 2 teams usually one is a bit stronger than the other. Apparently that is not the case with the TG program, but clearly the Elevate and Express teams use that analogy.
How many coaches were at Hofstra?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 Black hands down for this tournament. Kicking a@# and taking names.

TG should win every age but 2017, not much competition at this one.

Congratulations 2017 TG Black for winning championships. Beat Team Elevate 3-2 in a nail bitter. Never say never!!!!

TG purple did great at all age levels. Congrats to them.

Congratulations Black. TG Purple played all of the higher ranked teams in the tournament and held their own. Nice weather too.

Congrats 2020 black

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats 2020 black

Agreed, 3rd place is great!

final standings? Scores?

TG teams played well, but with the exception of Elevate who was there,no real teams, no college coaches. Given there is only six road shows a year this one is kind of a waste.
I noticed as you got to the upper grades even fewer clubs were represented.
You have to start somewhere and having a younger player myself it will be very interesting to see how this tournament does in the future.
I got to sleep in my own bed but gave up quality games and was this was likely the weakest tournament for us this summer.
Should have played Lax for the Cure last week and enjoyed my pool, family and friends this weekend.
Growing pains I suppose.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Finally got to see Bill coach first hand yesterday. Now I know what everyone is talking about. Lots of yelling, very little coaching. This is what people are paying for? Crazy.

Also got to experience some Psycho daddies and mommies in action.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Finally got to see Bill coach first hand yesterday. Now I know what everyone is talking about. Lots of yelling, very little coaching. This is what people are paying for? Crazy.

Also got to experience some Psycho daddies and mommies in action.

They are on every sideline in every youth sport.. I'm sure the same can be said of your teams sidelines..A referee was killed in Brazil over the weekend his head was cut off by the crowd.. the TG didn't play in that tournanment

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Finally got to see Bill coach first hand yesterday. Now I know what everyone is talking about. Lots of yelling, very little coaching. This is what people are paying for? Crazy.

You don't know what you're talking about. Bill has coached my daughter's team on several occasions, and other than some bickering with the refs, he usually gives excellent instruction. That's not what people are paying for. He helps out with various teams from time to time, that's all. Go away.

Trying to condone his sideline antics is ridiculous,every time I have seen the guy there is some drama, kicked out of my daughters high school game, getting in a shouting match with YJ coach at national draw, getting into it with refs , getting into argument with other coach this past weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Trying to condone his sideline antics is ridiculous,every time I have seen the guy there is some drama, kicked out of my daughters high school game, getting in a shouting match with YJ coach at national draw, getting into it with refs , getting into argument with other coach this past weekend.

I'm not condoning "antics". Like I said - I've seen some bickering with refs, for sure, but also very solid directions for the girls. YJ coaches, and many, many coaches, in general are the same, or worse. Is that your point? That he can get overly excited, and do the wrong thing on the sidelines once in a while? That's some huge revelation you made!! Thanks for pointing that out to everyone!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Trying to condone his sideline antics is ridiculous,every time I have seen the guy there is some drama, kicked out of my daughters high school game, getting in a shouting match with YJ coach at national draw, getting into it with refs , getting into argument with other coach this past weekend.

I'm not condoning "antics". Like I said - I've seen some bickering with refs, for sure, but also very solid directions for the girls. YJ coaches, and many, many coaches, in general are the same, or worse. Is that your point? That he can get overly excited, and do the wrong thing on the sidelines once in a while? That's some huge revelation you made!! Thanks for pointing that out to everyone!

You seem to be one of those idiots that look the other way when someone does the wrong thing because in your mind he gives some very solid directions once in a while, pathetic.The fact that you feel many many coaches in general are the same shows you to be clueless.Exactly what are his credentials to be coaching anyway, I will concede his daughter was a great player and I believe an excellent coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Trying to condone his sideline antics is ridiculous,every time I have seen the guy there is some drama, kicked out of my daughters high school game, getting in a shouting match with YJ coach at national draw, getting into it with refs , getting into argument with other coach this past weekend.

Sorry to hear your daughter got cut from TG I hope she finds her way on the YJ D team . Have a great summer playing against the other YJ teams.

BS has more knowledge of girls lacrosse that most of the other coaches and refs. He helped raise a superb athlete who has a love and respect for the game. If you don't like BS and or TG's, then don't have your daughter play there, I on the other hand will stay as long as they will have me. Love the Org, the coaches, The Smiths, etc... Having a great expierence at TG.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Trying to condone his sideline antics is ridiculous,every time I have seen the guy there is some drama, kicked out of my daughters high school game, getting in a shouting match with YJ coach at national draw, getting into it with refs , getting into argument with other coach this past weekend.

Sorry to hear your daughter got cut from TG I hope she finds her way on the YJ D team . Have a great summer playing against the other YJ teams.

The YJ D teams have been more successful than your TG teams this summer, keep making fun of the YJ lower level teams as they absolutely performed better than your TG teams at national draw. Nice exposure your recruiting age kids got this past weekend still waiting on the college coach list from the lacrosse by 1 tournament.

There's a few things missing from last weekends Lacrosse By 3 tournament

Where are the score results from the individual games at each age bracket??
Where are, at least, the crowned winners of each age bracket!???

And to the last point, if I'm considering switching organizations, where is the promised list of college coaches that attended the weekend tournament???

All very reasonable requests!!!

Why is it that the only posts that come across the screen must be favorable to the organizations thread?? Just tell us the information we request. We pay a lot of money to these teams and the transparency is minimal. We deserve to hear the truth.

My daughter plays for TG and she is very happy when BS visits the sidelines. First off, if your daughter doesn't play for TG then why do you care who coaches other peoples' daughters? Secondly, you have no business telling other people they are idiots when you come on a public site and can't even communicate in proper English. Go back and check your grammar and spend more time worrying about educating yourself than on a website worrying about a coach from another club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BS has more knowledge of girls lacrosse that most of the other coaches and refs. He helped raise a superb athlete who has a love and respect for the game. If you don't like BS and or TG's, then don't have your daughter play there, I on the other hand will stay as long as they will have me. Love the Org, the coaches, The Smiths, etc... Having a great expierence at TG.

I agree 100%

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Trying to condone his sideline antics is ridiculous,every time I have seen the guy there is some drama, kicked out of my daughters high school game, getting in a shouting match with YJ coach at national draw, getting into it with refs , getting into argument with other coach this past weekend.

I'm not condoning "antics". Like I said - I've seen some bickering with refs, for sure, but also very solid directions for the girls. YJ coaches, and many, many coaches, in general are the same, or worse. Is that your point? That he can get overly excited, and do the wrong thing on the sidelines once in a while? That's some huge revelation you made!! Thanks for pointing that out to everyone!

You seem to be one of those idiots that look the other way when someone does the wrong thing because in your mind he gives some very solid directions once in a while, pathetic.The fact that you feel many many coaches in general are the same shows you to be clueless.Exactly what are his credentials to be coaching anyway, I will concede his daughter was a great player and I believe an excellent coach.

I don't look the other way. I've been around the game long enough to know that there are many coaches that sometimes go overboard during games. I didn't say that was a good thing, but it's reality. If you don't see that, you're the one that's clueless, and an idiot - to use your words of wisdom! I'm done arguing with you. Try to enjoy your daughter's lacrosse experience, and have fun the rest of the summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter plays for TG and she is very happy when BS visits the sidelines. First off, if your daughter doesn't play for TG then why do you care who coaches other peoples' daughters? Secondly, you have no business telling other people they are idiots when you come on a public site and can't even communicate in proper English. Go back and check your grammar and spend more time worrying about educating yourself than on a website worrying about a coach from another club.

Since you insulted his or her grammar, I feel compelled to mention that your post had two grammatical errors. Your first sentence should have had a comma after the word "TG", and the correct spelling is "people's" not "peoples'".

Come on, admit it, people. I brought a smile to many this morning, on both sides of the aisle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter plays for TG and she is very happy when BS visits the sidelines. First off, if your daughter doesn't play for TG then why do you care who coaches other peoples' daughters? Secondly, you have no business telling other people they are idiots when you come on a public site and can't even communicate in proper English. Go back and check your grammar and spend more time worrying about educating yourself than on a website worrying about a coach from another club.

Since you insulted his or her grammar, I feel compelled to mention that your post had two grammatical errors. Your first sentence should have had a comma after the word "TG", and the correct spelling is "people's" not "peoples'".

Come on, admit it, people. I brought a smile to many this morning, on both sides of the aisle.

I have to admit there is nothing funnier than a grammar goon getting schooled. Just too funny.

You did bring a smile, but no comma was required. So it makes it even funnier! I do get your original point though.

Actually I could not care about your grammar. The thing about caring even if BS does not coach my kid is simple, my child has to witness his antics every tournament we see him. I have explained to her that some people have issues w controlling their emotions but she has witnessed his verbal abuse due to his lack of emotional control several times and only once at her high school game did those in charge do the right thing. If that's the role model you want for your kids that's fine but my kid should not have to be subject to it. I get that it can all be used as a learning event but seems to me at some point the lesson my kid is learning happens to be depending on who you are people are willing to look the other way. Grammar has never been my forte' so feel free to do like many a teacher of mine did and take out the red pen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually I could not care about your grammar. The thing about caring even if BS does not coach my kid is simple, my child has to witness his antics every tournament we see him. I have explained to her that some people have issues w controlling their emotions but she has witnessed his verbal abuse due to his lack of emotional control several times and only once at her high school game did those in charge do the right thing. If that's the role model you want for your kids that's fine but my kid should not have to be subject to it. I get that it can all be used as a learning event but seems to me at some point the lesson my kid is learning happens to be depending on who you are people are willing to look the other way. Grammar has never been my forte' so feel free to do like many a teacher of mine did and take out the red pen.

Nah, we will do what most of the people who went to school with you did...Ignore you,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually I could not care about your grammar. The thing about caring even if BS does not coach my kid is simple, my child has to witness his antics every tournament we see him. I have explained to her that some people have issues w controlling their emotions but she has witnessed his verbal abuse due to his lack of emotional control several times and only once at her high school game did those in charge do the right thing. If that's the role model you want for your kids that's fine but my kid should not have to be subject to it. I get that it can all be used as a learning event but seems to me at some point the lesson my kid is learning happens to be depending on who you are people are willing to look the other way. Grammar has never been my forte' so feel free to do like many a teacher of mine did and take out the red pen.

I've never seen this sort of behavior from BS, but whatever. My point is he's not your coach, you see him from time to time, your kid sees it, you've explained your position on it, now move on. The villagers are not firing up their torches the way you want and they won't. There are a thousand worse things going on in the world today to worry about, just open up your newspaper and try to explain that craziness to your kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually I could not care about your grammar. The thing about caring even if BS does not coach my kid is simple, my child has to witness his antics every tournament we see him. I have explained to her that some people have issues w controlling their emotions but she has witnessed his verbal abuse due to his lack of emotional control several times and only once at her high school game did those in charge do the right thing. If that's the role model you want for your kids that's fine but my kid should not have to be subject to it. I get that it can all be used as a learning event but seems to me at some point the lesson my kid is learning happens to be depending on who you are people are willing to look the other way. Grammar has never been my forte' so feel free to do like many a teacher of mine did and take out the red pen.

Nah, we will do what most of the people who went to school with you did...Ignore you,

At leadt you saw him coaching a team, must have been one that a family member was on. You are correct, he is not a great role model for children but he does knoe lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually I could not care about your grammar. The thing about caring even if BS does not coach my kid is simple, my child has to witness his antics every tournament we see him. I have explained to her that some people have issues w controlling their emotions but she has witnessed his verbal abuse due to his lack of emotional control several times and only once at her high school game did those in charge do the right thing. If that's the role model you want for your kids that's fine but my kid should not have to be subject to it. I get that it can all be used as a learning event but seems to me at some point the lesson my kid is learning happens to be depending on who you are people are willing to look the other way. Grammar has never been my forte' so feel free to do like many a teacher of mine did and take out the red pen.

yeah, BS is the one crazy associated with travel lax. You should quite now because there are many way worse in just about all the clubs. If your looking to avoid competitive people and admittedly over the top coaches, travel lax may not be the sport for you.

He is no worse than half the coaches in the yj org u idiot. Do u cover you daughters ears and eyes wben u walk past a yj game or practice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He is no worse than half the coaches in the yj org u idiot. Do u cover you daughters ears and eyes wben u walk past a yj game or practice.

Don't single out YJ. It's in every club and school, in every sport. You just have to learn to deal or move on. My kids have had some screamers for coaches, they just learned to tune them out. We laugh about it now, we laughed about it then.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He is no worse than half the coaches in the yj org u idiot. Do u cover you daughters ears and eyes wben u walk past a yj game or practice.

Don't single out YJ. It's in every club and school, in every sport. You just have to learn to deal or move on. My kids have had some screamers for coaches, they just learned to tune them out. We laugh about it now, we laughed about it then.

Take a look at the Mid-Atlantic Board and the discussion (that has gone viral) regarding MadLax Coach and Founder Cabell Maddux. The e-mail exchange where this coach berates his former player (an eighth grader) and his family will make a "screamer" coach seem like a Saturday walk in the park.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually I could not care about your grammar. The thing about caring even if BS does not coach my kid is simple, my child has to witness his antics every tournament we see him. I have explained to her that some people have issues w controlling their emotions but she has witnessed his verbal abuse due to his lack of emotional control several times and only once at her high school game did those in charge do the right thing. If that's the role model you want for your kids that's fine but my kid should not have to be subject to it. I get that it can all be used as a learning event but seems to me at some point the lesson my kid is learning happens to be depending on who you are people are willing to look the other way. Grammar has never been my forte' so feel free to do like many a teacher of mine did and take out the red pen.

Nah, we will do what most of the people who went to school with you did...Ignore you,

Everyone except your wife

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually I could not care about your grammar. The thing about caring even if BS does not coach my kid is simple, my child has to witness his antics every tournament we see him. I have explained to her that some people have issues w controlling their emotions but she has witnessed his verbal abuse due to his lack of emotional control several times and only once at her high school game did those in charge do the right thing. If that's the role model you want for your kids that's fine but my kid should not have to be subject to it. I get that it can all be used as a learning event but seems to me at some point the lesson my kid is learning happens to be depending on who you are people are willing to look the other way. Grammar has never been my forte' so feel free to do like many a teacher of mine did and take out the red pen.

Nah, we will do what most of the people who went to school with you did...Ignore you,

Everyone except your wife

You're witty, You gonna talk about my mother next?

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually I could not care about your grammar. The thing about caring even if BS does not coach my kid is simple, my child has to witness his antics every tournament we see him. I have explained to her that some people have issues w controlling their emotions but she has witnessed his verbal abuse due to his lack of emotional control several times and only once at her high school game did those in charge do the right thing. If that's the role model you want for your kids that's fine but my kid should not have to be subject to it. I get that it can all be used as a learning event but seems to me at some point the lesson my kid is learning happens to be depending on who you are people are willing to look the other way. Grammar has never been my forte' so feel free to do like many a teacher of mine did and take out the red pen.

I've never seen this sort of behavior from BS, but whatever. My point is he's not your coach, you see him from time to time, your kid sees it, you've explained your position on it, now move on. The villagers are not firing up their torches the way you want and they won't. There are a thousand worse things going on in the world today to worry about, just open up your newspaper and try to explain that craziness to your kid.

Same here Powder. Well said!

Went to the dead spin link, that is the most unbelievable exchange of e-mails I have ever seen, guy is off his rocker. Hopefully after he gets exposed for the piece of crap he is, he gets run out of the lacrosse community.

I am also new to this team and have no idea what you are talking about. Someone is trying to stir the pot on this site!!!

Can I get some true feelings from any 2020 parent. How has your first season been? How is the coaching? Has the your daughter learned anything? Has the team shown growth as a team? I have a 2021 and I am looking for the right club for her. I would love to hear from both the black and purple parents. Are teams trained equally etc.?
Thank you

Girls are so young the emphasis is on getting better, progressing as a team and player, learning the game and having fun. Very happy thus far. Families are very nice and welcoming, girls are even more so. Coaching has been thoughtful and encouraging. I would go to a practice and take a peek. Call Top Guns and see if that's an option for you. We like the small family vibe program has and our daughter is very much enjoying it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Went to the dead spin link, that is the most unbelievable exchange of e-mails I have ever seen, guy is off his rocker. Hopefully after he gets exposed for the piece of crap he is, he gets run out of the lacrosse community.

Agreed. That coach is batsh&t crazy.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Went to the dead spin link, that is the most unbelievable exchange of e-mails I have ever seen, guy is off his rocker. Hopefully after he gets exposed for the piece of crap he is, he gets run out of the lacrosse community.

Agreed. That coach is batsh&t crazy.

Word we are getting here at BOTC is that players and families are resigning from the MadLax program in droves.

This story is a public relations nightmare for the club as this individual is more than just a coach - he is the face and founder of MadLax.

What makes this worse is according to a picture on Facebook, we believe that he has young boys himself.

The national exposure and controversy surrounding this story is incredible.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Went to the dead spin link, that is the most unbelievable exchange of e-mails I have ever seen, guy is off his rocker. Hopefully after he gets exposed for the piece of crap he is, he gets run out of the lacrosse community.

Agreed. That coach is batsh&t crazy.

Word we are getting here at BOTC is that players and families are resigning from the MadLax program in droves.

This story is a public relations nightmare for the club as this individual is more than just a coach - he is the face and founder of MadLax.

What makes this worse is according to a picture on Facebook, we believe that he has young boys himself.

The national exposure and controversy surrounding this story is incredible.

Sounds like something one of the TG Psycho Daddies would do when he got angry.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like something one of the TG Psycho Daddies would do when he got angry.

No. This situation is significantly worse than any individual club coach could muster. The coach, Cabell Maddux, is the face for the entire club.

Picture one of the known Long Island club leaders/owners berating a player and his/her parents over the course of multiple months in e-mails, falsely feeling safe that the information would never be made public.

This is not a local club issue. This is a national story.

I went and read the emails ... bad, as expected. However, it seems the parents edited out some of their responses. Would have be interesting to read the whole series.

On the other hand, the coach seems to have good reason to be very, very angry -- he and the organization (and the other parents) have apparently been carrying this kid for free (or at a reduced cost), and it looks like they helped get him into one of the top HS programs in Maryland (Langdon).

In this case, just by quitting, the kid and the parents certainly appear to be ungrateful. But perhaps they have had enough of on-field aggression etc. ... some coaches become too much to deal with over time especially if they think you "owe" them something.

The parents made a mistake by not meeting with the coach. They owed him that. Very cowardly to just disappear and then send an email (late) after what seemed like a long relationship with the club. But the coach made a real mistake berating the kid, and putting threats out there (worse, he did it in writing).

Unfortunate all around.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Went to the dead spin link, that is the most unbelievable exchange of e-mails I have ever seen, guy is off his rocker. Hopefully after he gets exposed for the piece of crap he is, he gets run out of the lacrosse community.

Agreed. That coach is batsh&t crazy.

Word we are getting here at BOTC is that players and families are resigning from the MadLax program in droves.

This story is a public relations nightmare for the club as this individual is more than just a coach - he is the face and founder of MadLax.

What makes this worse is according to a picture on Facebook, we believe that he has young boys himself.

The national exposure and controversy surrounding this story is incredible.

Cage - I'm sure you've put it out there already, but can you provide a link, or let me know where to find this story, or email thread?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cage - I'm sure you've put it out there already, but can you provide a link, or let me know where to find this story, or email thread?

The story and the link are on the MadLax discussion thread on the Mid-Atlantic Board.

Link : MaxLax Discussion Thread - DeadSpin Article

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Went to the dead spin link, that is the most unbelievable exchange of e-mails I have ever seen, guy is off his rocker. Hopefully after he gets exposed for the piece of crap he is, he gets run out of the lacrosse community.

Agreed. That coach is batsh&t crazy.

Word we are getting here at BOTC is that players and families are resigning from the MadLax program in droves.

This story is a public relations nightmare for the club as this individual is more than just a coach - he is the face and founder of MadLax.

What makes this worse is according to a picture on Facebook, we believe that he has young boys himself.

The national exposure and controversy surrounding this story is incredible.

Sounds like something one of the TG Psycho Daddies would do when he got angry.

Look in the mirror, you are trying to put some psycho dad spin on this and every topic on a daily basis, talk about psycho. You are obsessed and embarassing yourself being so hung up on your little psycho dad thing. Did you get a patent on the phrase yet? Give it a rest , you look like the ultimate tool.

So says the TG psycho dad who was using older kids to try and win the free T shirt at the lax fest tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So says the TG psycho dad who was using older kids to try and win the free T shirt at the lax fest tournament.

The TG psycho dad thing is so old and played out. The previous poster was right - you sound like a complete tool...get a life

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Went to the dead spin link, that is the most unbelievable exchange of e-mails I have ever seen, guy is off his rocker. Hopefully after he gets exposed for the piece of crap he is, he gets run out of the lacrosse community.

Agreed. That coach is batsh&t crazy.

Word we are getting here at BOTC is that players and families are resigning from the MadLax program in droves.

This story is a public relations nightmare for the club as this individual is more than just a coach - he is the face and founder of MadLax.

What makes this worse is according to a picture on Facebook, we believe that he has young boys himself.

The national exposure and controversy surrounding this story is incredible.

Sounds like something one of the TG Psycho Daddies would do when he got angry.

Look in the mirror, you are trying to put some psycho dad spin on this and every topic on a daily basis, talk about psycho. You are obsessed and embarassing yourself being so hung up on your little psycho dad thing. Did you get a patent on the phrase yet? Give it a rest , you look like the ultimate tool.

You must be a South Pole Psycho Daddy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So says the TG psycho dad who was using older kids to try and win the free T shirt at the lax fest tournament.

The only Lax fest I know of was at Farmingdale this past weekend and ALL TG teams were out of town.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Went to the dead spin link, that is the most unbelievable exchange of e-mails I have ever seen, guy is off his rocker. Hopefully after he gets exposed for the piece of crap he is, he gets run out of the lacrosse community.

Agreed. That coach is batsh&t crazy.

Word we are getting here at BOTC is that players and families are resigning from the MadLax program in droves.

This story is a public relations nightmare for the club as this individual is more than just a coach - he is the face and founder of MadLax.

What makes this worse is according to a picture on Facebook, we believe that he has young boys himself.

The national exposure and controversy surrounding this story is incredible.

Sounds like something one of the TG Psycho Daddies would do when he got angry.

Look in the mirror, you are trying to put some psycho dad spin on this and every topic on a daily basis, talk about psycho. You are obsessed and embarassing yourself being so hung up on your little psycho dad thing. Did you get a patent on the phrase yet? Give it a rest , you look like the ultimate tool.

You must be a South Pole Psycho Daddy

# you are the obessed psycho

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So says the TG psycho dad who was using older kids to try and win the free T shirt at the lax fest tournament.

Is that the same guy that stacks his town team with club kids from other towns?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So says the TG psycho dad who was using older kids to try and win the free T shirt at the lax fest tournament.

The only Lax fest I know of was at Farmingdale this past weekend and ALL TG teams were out of town.

Keep drinking the cool aide, you people are so blind you refuse to believe things even when the facts cannot be refuted.

Does anyone know when the tryouts will be this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know when the tryouts will be this year?

After the new uniforms are ordered.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So says the TG psycho dad who was using older kids to try and win the free T shirt at the lax fest tournament.

You must be from the YJ team that we pounded on in the Finals. I guess losing to a mixed team of mostly 2020's really "Stings!"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So says the TG psycho dad who was using older kids to try and win the free T shirt at the lax fest tournament.

You must be from the YJ team that we pounded on in the Finals. I guess losing to a mixed team of mostly 2020's really "Stings!"

thoght they got kicked out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So says the TG psycho dad who was using older kids to try and win the free T shirt at the lax fest tournament.

You must be from the YJ team that we pounded on in the Finals. I guess losing to a mixed team of mostly 2020's really "Stings!"

Think he was referring to the team that was disqualified for having kids that were too old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So says the TG psycho dad who was using older kids to try and win the free T shirt at the lax fest tournament.

You must be from the YJ team that we pounded on in the Finals. I guess losing to a mixed team of mostly 2020's really "Stings!"

Think he was referring to the team that was disqualified for having kids that were too old.

that fool is rearing his ugly head again. Why are you so angry.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So says the TG psycho dad who was using older kids to try and win the free T shirt at the lax fest tournament.

You must be from the YJ team that we pounded on in the Finals. I guess losing to a mixed team of mostly 2020's really "Stings!"

Think he was referring to the team that was disqualified for having kids that were too old.

that fool is rearing his ugly head again. Why are you so angry.

Not angry at all. My daughter got to play a playoff game because of this issue. Too bad they lost though. The only fool is yourself. Cage has already verified the disqualification as fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So says the TG psycho dad who was using older kids to try and win the free T shirt at the lax fest tournament.

You must be from the YJ team that we pounded on in the Finals. I guess losing to a mixed team of mostly 2020's really "Stings!"

The funny thing is you are the biggest loser I have seen , your team number one had more 2019 than 2020 and also had several YJ kids playing on it. Even better the only 2020 kids that anyone would notice were the YJ kids. Don't worry after talking with BS he knows who the better 2020 kids are and who the psycho dads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So says the TG psycho dad who was using older kids to try and win the free T shirt at the lax fest tournament.

You must be from the YJ team that we pounded on in the Finals. I guess losing to a mixed team of mostly 2020's really "Stings!"

Think he was referring to the team that was disqualified for having kids that were too old.

that fool is rearing his ugly head again. Why are you so angry.

Not angry at all. My daughter got to play a playoff game because of this issue. Too bad they lost though. The only fool is yourself. Cage has already verified the disqualification as fact.

That is NOT true! The director of Lax Fest was 100% aware that the Green Machine would have 2 older girls playing with them! It was approved by Lax Fest since they had a team drop out. When the semi- finals came around the team they were going to play against complained - although we had already played them once! We decided as a team to LEAVE since there was an issue 3/4 of the way through the day! No one tried to "sneak" older girls on we were COMPLETELY upfront about it with the lax Fest people!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So says the TG psycho dad who was using older kids to try and win the free T shirt at the lax fest tournament.

You must be from the YJ team that we pounded on in the Finals. I guess losing to a mixed team of mostly 2020's really "Stings!"

Think he was referring to the team that was disqualified for having kids that were too old.

that fool is rearing his ugly head again. Why are you so angry.

Not angry at all. My daughter got to play a playoff game because of this issue. Too bad they lost though. The only fool is yourself. Cage has already verified the disqualification as fact.

That is NOT true! The director of Lax Fest was 100% aware that the Green Machine would have 2 older girls playing with them! It was approved by Lax Fest since they had a team drop out. When the semi- finals came around the team they were going to play against complained - although we had already played them once! We decided as a team to LEAVE since there was an issue 3/4 of the way through the day! No one tried to "sneak" older girls on we were COMPLETELY upfront about it with the lax Fest people!

team was doing the director a last minute favor, asked to fill in for a void in schedule due to a drop out. Team walked away from finals because all the crap from other coaches (not disqualified). When a team gets put together in less than 24 hours as a favor, it may be hard to get all 2020 s . It was a good team, they would beat you with or without the 2 older girls, get over it an move on.

That is NOT true! The director of Lax Fest was 100% aware that the Green Machine would have 2 older girls playing with them! It was approved by Lax Fest since they had a team drop out. When the semi- finals came around the team they were going to play against complained - although we had already played them once! We decided as a team to LEAVE since there was an issue 3/4 of the way through the day! No one tried to "sneak" older girls on we were COMPLETELY upfront about it with the lax Fest people! [/quote]

team was doing the director a last minute favor, asked to fill in for a void in schedule due to a drop out. Team walked away from finals because all the crap from other coaches (not disqualified). When a team gets put together in less than 24 hours as a favor, it may be hard to get all 2020 s . It was a good team, they would beat you with or without the 2 older girls, get over it an move on. [/quote]

Who is Green Machine?
Yes we agree TG & YJ teams would beat Elevate easily, so.....

Green Machine is handpicked TG daddy team( note did not use the P word).I have friends on both sides TG YJ, will say this, TG takes the so called rivalry way more serious.Call it what you will but TG 2020 holding extra practice sessions this week in 100 degree heat strictly in response to YJ game,TG coach leaving his older teams tournament early at the urging of some TG daddies because they need him for the big game.I get the fact that some want to win but leaving your recruiting age kids team to coach 2020 tells me maybe some want to win too much, on the other hand I have heard of some YJ teams going a little overboard for a victory in the past. I think eventually the rivalry will become a friendly one but will take time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Green Machine is handpicked TG daddy team( note did not use the P word).I have friends on both sides TG YJ, will say this, TG takes the so called rivalry way more serious.Call it what you will but TG 2020 holding extra practice sessions this week in 100 degree heat strictly in response to YJ game,TG coach leaving his older teams tournament early at the urging of some TG daddies because they need him for the big game.I get the fact that some want to win but leaving your recruiting age kids team to coach 2020 tells me maybe some want to win too much, on the other hand I have heard of some YJ teams going a little overboard for a victory in the past. I think eventually the rivalry will become a friendly one but will take time.

Where do you get your information? You need a new source because everything you wrote is FALSE. Curcio team was the one practicing mon-thur from 3-6 the week after they lost to the B team at national draw - for someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight your post is very suspect at best, move on and worry about something more important

I SEE TG 2015 BLACK VS YELLOW 2015 BLUE TODAY IN VIRGINIA ANY THOUGHTS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I SEE TG 2015 BLACK VS YELLOW 2015 BLUE TODAY IN VIRGINIA ANY THOUGHTS

Not to many of the regular Yellow Jackets Blue L/M team are there as per what their roster says on their Web site. Not sure about the Top Gun roster for this weekend.

TG will win a meaningless matchup where no one is keeping score

YJ will beat them , as always. TG never beat YJ 15 and never will

The YJ LM team is not playing in this tourney maybe
Four kids. No point driving 8 hours if you are committed
Already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I SEE TG 2015 BLACK VS YELLOW 2015 BLUE TODAY IN VIRGINIA ANY THOUGHTS

As I just posted this to the YJ site, I will re-post it here as well.

Should be a great game. It's always extremely competitive and well played on both sides. If everyone would get past the silly TG/YJ thing (which I think is already beginning to happen) maybe the two programs would get to play each other more often at all the age groups. Good luck to both squads which are filled with great kids. Being a TG parent I hope we pull it out, but either way, the excitement and nervous anticipation is what it's all about. I'm willing to bet dollars to doughnuts that you'll get the best each squad has to offer.

Again, Good Luck to all the girls!

TG Parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJ will beat them , as always. TG never beat YJ 15 and never will

Well the game should be over by now any results??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The YJ LM team is not playing in this tourney maybe
Four kids. No point driving 8 hours if you are committed
Already.

I guess if you committ this summer you don't have to bother playing next year! Some teammates you have there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The YJ LM team is not playing in this tourney maybe
Four kids. No point driving 8 hours if you are committed
Already.

I guess if you committ this summer you don't have to bother playing next year! Some teammates you have there.

The tournament is for unsigned players. Too bad TG black is sending their team, thought by now they woukd all be signed!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The YJ LM team is not playing in this tourney maybe
Four kids. No point driving 8 hours if you are committed
Already.

I guess if you committ this summer you don't have to bother playing next year! Some teammates you have there.

The tournament is for unsigned players. Too bad TG black is sending their team, thought by now they woukd all be signed!!

Exactly!! Thats why you play the season out to the end to help all of your teammates get offers. I guess thats the way it works in your club but Teams play together untill their junior year for the team ....You got yours so you will stay home?? wth glad my daughter is not on your team.!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The YJ LM team is not playing in this tourney maybe
Four kids. No point driving 8 hours if you are committed
Already.

I guess if you committ this summer you don't have to bother playing next year! Some teammates you have there.

The tournament is for unsigned players. Too bad TG black is sending their team, thought by now they woukd all be signed!!

Exactly!! Thats why you play the season out to the end to help all of your teammates get offers. I guess thats the way it works in your club but Teams play together untill their junior year for the team ....You got yours so you will stay home?? wth glad my daughter is not on your team.!

Sadly TG played all of their committed players, their uncommitted players sat on the sidelines. Your daughter's team looked great but too bad she didn't play, or was she stealing the spotlight from her teammates on the side? Either way its too bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The YJ LM team is not playing in this tourney maybe
Four kids. No point driving 8 hours if you are committed
Already.

I guess if you committ this summer you don't have to bother playing next year! Some teammates you have there.

The tournament is for unsigned players. Too bad TG black is sending their team, thought by now they woukd all be signed!!

Exactly!! Thats why you play the season out to the end to help all of your teammates get offers. I guess thats the way it works in your club but Teams play together untill their junior year for the team ....You got yours so you will stay home?? wth glad my daughter is not on your team.!

Sadly TG played all of their committed players, their uncommitted players sat on the sidelines. Your daughter's team looked great but too bad she didn't play, or was she stealing the spotlight from her teammates on the side? Either way its too bad.

That's a blatant lie. The team rotated players in throughout the game, as did YJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Green Machine is handpicked TG daddy team( note did not use the P word).I have friends on both sides TG YJ, will say this, TG takes the so called rivalry way more serious.Call it what you will but TG 2020 holding extra practice sessions this week in 100 degree heat strictly in response to YJ game,TG coach leaving his older teams tournament early at the urging of some TG daddies because they need him for the big game.I get the fact that some want to win but leaving your recruiting age kids team to coach 2020 tells me maybe some want to win too much, on the other hand I have heard of some YJ teams going a little overboard for a victory in the past. I think eventually the rivalry will become a friendly one but will take time.

Where do you get your information? You need a new source because everything you wrote is FALSE. Curcio team was the one practicing mon-thur from 3-6 the week after they lost to the B team at national draw - for someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight your post is very suspect at best, move on and worry about something more important

What exactly is false, did you have an extra practice and is your coach leaving his older team to come back, which is hilarious w your self righteous TG parents bashing YJ kids who r already committed for not going to a tournament.Just a note about your bs , Cursio team had planned those practices way in advance of national draw so you look like a moron.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The YJ LM team is not playing in this tourney maybe
Four kids. No point driving 8 hours if you are committed
Already.

I guess if you committ this summer you don't have to bother playing next year! Some teammates you have there.

The tournament is for unsigned players. Too bad TG black is sending their team, thought by now they woukd all be signed!!

Exactly!! Thats why you play the season out to the end to help all of your teammates get offers. I guess thats the way it works in your club but Teams play together untill their junior year for the team ....You got yours so you will stay home?? wth glad my daughter is not on your team.!

Sadly TG played all of their committed players, their uncommitted players sat on the sidelines. Your daughter's team looked great but too bad she didn't play, or was she stealing the spotlight from her teammates on the side? Either way its too bad.

That's a blatant lie. The team rotated players in throughout the game, as did YJ.

Yj had no committed players there and maybe 4 subs, top!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Green Machine is handpicked TG daddy team( note did not use the P word).I have friends on both sides TG YJ, will say this, TG takes the so called rivalry way more serious.Call it what you will but TG 2020 holding extra practice sessions this week in 100 degree heat strictly in response to YJ game,TG coach leaving his older teams tournament early at the urging of some TG daddies because they need him for the big game.I get the fact that some want to win but leaving your recruiting age kids team to coach 2020 tells me maybe some want to win too much, on the other hand I have heard of some YJ teams going a little overboard for a victory in the past. I think eventually the rivalry will become a friendly one but will take time.

Where do you get your information? You need a new source because everything you wrote is FALSE. Curcio team was the one practicing mon-thur from 3-6 the week after they lost to the B team at national draw - for someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight your post is very suspect at best, move on and worry about something more important

What exactly is false, did you have an extra practice and is your coach leaving his older team to come back, which is hilarious w your self righteous TG parents bashing YJ kids who r already committed for not going to a tournament.Just a note about your bs , Cursio team had planned those practices way in advance of national draw so you look like a moron.

Who cares......... Nobody

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Green Machine is handpicked TG daddy team( note did not use the P word).I have friends on both sides TG YJ, will say this, TG takes the so called rivalry way more serious.Call it what you will but TG 2020 holding extra practice sessions this week in 100 degree heat strictly in response to YJ game,TG coach leaving his older teams tournament early at the urging of some TG daddies because they need him for the big game.I get the fact that some want to win but leaving your recruiting age kids team to coach 2020 tells me maybe some want to win too much, on the other hand I have heard of some YJ teams going a little overboard for a victory in the past. I think eventually the rivalry will become a friendly one but will take time.

Where do you get your information? You need a new source because everything you wrote is FALSE. Curcio team was the one practicing mon-thur from 3-6 the week after they lost to the B team at national draw - for someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight your post is very suspect at best, move on and worry about something more important

What exactly is false, did you have an extra practice and is your coach leaving his older team to come back, which is hilarious w your self righteous TG parents bashing YJ kids who r already committed for not going to a tournament.Just a note about your bs , Cursio team had planned those practices way in advance of national draw so you look like a moron.

No extra practice and The coach stayed in VA with the 2015 black. I'm sure he will be here in the morning tomorrow . Nice try.

Summer lax nearly over....What will we do without our favorite overweight YJ PSYCHO MOMMY. She stirs the pot so well!

Wow it is so sad to see the posts on this board. The fact that there is such a board is even more disturbing. We are talking about kids... Girls that have chosen to do positive healthy activities as opposed to making bad choices that would change their lives forever. BOTC why do you not try a day of positive posting as opposed to this garbage you call " information that is so needed and wanted by the lacrosse community."
You could start with this one...
Yes, I was at the Va. Tournament and I saw a lot of talented girls play lacrosse, some wore purple tops and some wore yellow, I even saw white and blue, but they were teenage girls who were there to make a positive change in their futures, and I commend them for that and wish each and every one success.
Negative feedback.... need not reply

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow it is so sad to see the posts on this board. The fact that there is such a board is even more disturbing.

The fact that you might find the material distrurbing is reflection of parents. Since you want to be so known for putting your opinion out there, exactly who are you? Another "ghost" who wants to lecture the lacrosse world about what can and cannot be published at their convenience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are talking about kids... Girls that have chosen to do positive healthy activities as opposed to making bad choices that would change their lives forever. BOTC why do you not try a day of positive posting as opposed to this garbage you call " information that is so needed and wanted by the lacrosse community."

Before you decide to lecture us regarding posted content and board moderation, familiarize yourself with the BOTC Board Rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You could start with this one...
Yes, I was at the Va. Tournament and I saw a lot of talented girls play lacrosse, some wore purple tops and some wore yellow, I even saw white and blue, but they were teenage girls who were there to make a positive change in their futures, and I commend them for that and wish each and every one success.

Great - yours is one of thousands of such positive posts that you will find on BOTC. Maybe you are just tired from the drive? Thanks for contributing.

Did not intend to be a ghost who lectures on the opinions of others, who was tired from the drive home. I am sorry you misconstrued my intention to express sadness over the majority of the content of this board.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow it is so sad to see the posts on this board. The fact that there is such a board is even more disturbing. We are talking about kids... Girls that have chosen to do positive healthy activities as opposed to making bad choices that would change their lives forever. BOTC why do you not try a day of positive posting as opposed to this garbage you call " information that is so needed and wanted by the lacrosse community."
You could start with this one...
Yes, I was at the Va. Tournament and I saw a lot of talented girls play lacrosse, some wore purple tops and some wore yellow, I even saw white and blue, but they were teenage girls who were there to make a positive change in their futures, and I commend them for that and wish each and every one success.
Negative feedback.... need not reply

Here is something positive...The game between TG 2020 Black and YJ 2020 Curcio at All Star Express was a great game to watch, and was the kind of game that you hoped for when you sign up for travel lacrosse. The best part was that there was zero bickering going on , all the hype you read about here, Pyscho daddy's , Psycho mommies etc...None of that, just a game played hard on both ends. Girls know each other well, and hugged before and after game. These teams will be fun to watch the next couple of years. Worth the trip for that reason alone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow it is so sad to see the posts on this board. The fact that there is such a board is even more disturbing. We are talking about kids... Girls that have chosen to do positive healthy activities as opposed to making bad choices that would change their lives forever. BOTC why do you not try a day of positive posting as opposed to this garbage you call " information that is so needed and wanted by the lacrosse community."
You could start with this one...
Yes, I was at the Va. Tournament and I saw a lot of talented girls play lacrosse, some wore purple tops and some wore yellow, I even saw white and blue, but they were teenage girls who were there to make a positive change in their futures, and I commend them for that and wish each and every one success.
Negative feedback.... need not reply

Here is something positive...The game between TG 2020 Black and YJ 2020 Curcio at All Star Express was a great game to watch, and was the kind of game that you hoped for when you sign up for travel lacrosse. The best part was that there was zero bickering going on , all the hype you read about here, Pyscho daddy's , Psycho mommies etc...None of that, just a game played hard on both ends. Girls know each other well, and hugged before and after game. These teams will be fun to watch the next couple of years. Worth the trip for that reason alone.

Agreed, that game and the skywalker 2020 match up were great to watch. Someone should arrange invitational tournament series where YJ, TG, M&D, skywalkers etc get to play every tournament. Way it stands now you have to endure 10 blowout games for every good match up.

AMEN

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Summer lax nearly over....What will we do without our favorite overweight YJ PSYCHO MOMMY. She stirs the pot so well!

I think she started thte FAF plan.

She must be FAF. Her kid is not really that good.

Here is something positive...The game between TG 2020 Black and YJ 2020 Curcio at All Star Express was a great game to watch, and was the kind of game that you hoped for when you sign up for travel lacrosse. The best part was that there was zero bickering going on , all the hype you read about here, Pyscho daddy's , Psycho mommies etc...None of that, just a game played hard on both ends. Girls know each other well, and hugged before and after game. These teams will be fun to watch the next couple of years. Worth the trip for that reason alone. [/quote]

Agreed, that game and the skywalker 2020 match up were great to watch. Someone should arrange invitational tournament series where YJ, TG, M&D, skywalkers etc get to play every tournament. Way it stands now you have to endure 10 blowout games for every good match up. [/quot

Couldn't agree more

What team is this

[/quote] Here is something positive...The game between TG 2020 Black and YJ 2020 Curcio at All Star Express was a great game to watch, and was the kind of game that you hoped for when you sign up for travel lacrosse. The best part was that there was zero bickering going on , all the hype you read about here, Pyscho daddy's , Psycho mommies etc...None of that, just a game played hard on both ends. Girls know each other well, and hugged before and after game. These teams will be fun to watch the next couple of years. Worth the trip for that reason alone. [/quote]

I would love to see TG, YJ, M&D and SW get together 4-5 times a year to scrimmage each other. we would all benefit from it. The kids have zero problems with each other and find it funny that some of their friends play for rival clubs.

At the end of the day, our girls would benefit from some real competition. I don't care if you are a parent from any of these 4 clubs, our kids would benefit from playing each-other over and over. Let's stop the Madness... YJ, TG, M&D and SW are in a different league than most of the other teams. The kids will enjoy the rivalry as long as the parents don't ruin it for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

She must be FAF. Her kid is not really that good.

I hate to ask this, but what is FAF and what age group are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is something positive...The game between TG 2020 Black and YJ 2020 Curcio at All Star Express was a great game to watch, and was the kind of game that you hoped for when you sign up for travel lacrosse. The best part was that there was zero bickering going on , all the hype you read about here, Pyscho daddy's , Psycho mommies etc...None of that, just a game played hard on both ends. Girls know each other well, and hugged before and after game. These teams will be fun to watch the next couple of years. Worth the trip for that reason alone.

I would love to see TG, YJ, M&D and SW get together 4-5 times a year to scrimmage each other. we would all benefit from it. The kids have zero problems with each other and find it funny that some of their friends play for rival clubs.

At the end of the day, our girls would benefit from some real competition. I don't care if you are a parent from any of these 4 clubs, our kids would benefit from playing each-other over and over. Let's stop the Madness... YJ, TG, M&D and SW are in a different league than most of the other teams. The kids will enjoy the rivalry as long as the parents don't ruin it for them.

I agree. There is nothing worse than driving to another state just to beat up on 5 of the six teams you play. It would be great if they kept M/D, TG, YJ and SW in the same brackets.

Someone explained to me that it depends upon the format of the tournament if it is a tournament where they will crown a champion, it is not fair to put those four clubs in one bracket since only one will make it to the playoffs whereas if it is a 'showcase'? type, the organizers should put the best teams in one bracket sort of how the all star express was. Makes sense to me!

In the soccer world, teams are sorted into tournaments on strength, so like plays like. There is not an overall tournament champ but a number of champs, one per each division. Personally, I prefer that model. I'd rather play teams similar to my own and have good games than blowouts.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

In the soccer world, teams are sorted into tournaments on strength, so like plays like. There is not an overall tournament champ but a number of champs, one per each division. Personally, I prefer that model. I'd rather play teams similar to my own and have good games than blowouts.

Powderfinger, we would have to agree with you on this. If you look at the U15 Girls National Championship thread, 56% of pool play games were decided by 10 goals or more in order to have all 32 teams "compete" for a national title.

The fact is that the lacrosse national scene is still not that deep. We believe that no more than a dozen teams at very most could lay their hands on the U15 Girls National title. Given that, why not create brackets that would accomodate such a structure.

This is another reason why US Lacrosse needs to create national championships at multiple age groups, but that is the subject for a completely different line of discussion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is something positive...The game between TG 2020 Black and YJ 2020 Curcio at All Star Express was a great game to watch, and was the kind of game that you hoped for when you sign up for travel lacrosse. The best part was that there was zero bickering going on , all the hype you read about here, Pyscho daddy's , Psycho mommies etc...None of that, just a game played hard on both ends. Girls know each other well, and hugged before and after game. These teams will be fun to watch the next couple of years. Worth the trip for that reason alone.

I would love to see TG, YJ, M&D and SW get together 4-5 times a year to scrimmage each other. we would all benefit from it. The kids have zero problems with each other and find it funny that some of their friends play for rival clubs.

At the end of the day, our girls would benefit from some real competition. I don't care if you are a parent from any of these 4 clubs, our kids would benefit from playing each-other over and over. Let's stop the Madness... YJ, TG, M&D and SW are in a different league than most of the other teams. The kids will enjoy the rivalry as long as the parents don't ruin it for them.

I agree. There is nothing worse than driving to another state just to beat up on 5 of the six teams you play. It would be great if they kept M/D, TG, YJ and SW in the same brackets.

Problem is then you would be beating up those teams in the playoffs. That is why brackets are set up the way they are. Maybe keep it as divisional champs instead of overall and keep top teams in same bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is something positive...The game between TG 2020 Black and YJ 2020 Curcio at All Star Express was a great game to watch, and was the kind of game that you hoped for when you sign up for travel lacrosse. The best part was that there was zero bickering going on , all the hype you read about here, Pyscho daddy's , Psycho mommies etc...None of that, just a game played hard on both ends. Girls know each other well, and hugged before and after game. These teams will be fun to watch the next couple of years. Worth the trip for that reason alone.

I would love to see TG, YJ, M&D and SW get together 4-5 times a year to scrimmage each other. we would all benefit from it. The kids have zero problems with each other and find it funny that some of their friends play for rival clubs.

At the end of the day, our girls would benefit from some real competition. I don't care if you are a parent from any of these 4 clubs, our kids would benefit from playing each-other over and over. Let's stop the Madness... YJ, TG, M&D and SW are in a different league than most of the other teams. The kids will enjoy the rivalry as long as the parents don't ruin it for them.

I agree. There is nothing worse than driving to another state just to beat up on 5 of the six teams you play. It would be great if they kept M/D, TG, YJ and SW in the same brackets.

Problem is then you would be beating up those teams in the playoffs. That is why brackets are set up the way they are. Maybe keep it as divisional champs instead of overall and keep top teams in same bracket.

The new trend will be all of the top teams will be in the same bracket as they approach recruiting age because the college coaches want it that way.

Who is SW

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is SW

Sky Walkers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is SW

Sky Walkers

SkyWalkers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is SW

Skywalkers Maryland

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Problem is then you would be beating up those teams in the playoffs. That is why brackets are set up the way they are. Maybe keep it as divisional champs instead of overall and keep top teams in same bracket.

No, not if tournaments are set up like soccer tournaments, where teams are placed in divisions according to strength. Like plays like, and there are division champs instead of tournament champs. I wish lacrosse would do this. [lacrosse], I wish Section XI would do this.

Glad to see the girls finally got a uniform upgrade for the national championships. The photos are too funny. Aside from that, great job and congrats!

First 2020 season in the books. How would you say it went ? Beating YJ was sweet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First 2020 season in the books. How would you say it went ? Beating YJ was sweet.

PLEASE IGNORE THIS POST NOTHING GOOD WILL COME OF IT!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Glad to see the girls finally got a uniform upgrade for the national championships. The photos are too funny. Aside from that, great job and congrats!

The whole uniform thing is getting old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Summer lax nearly over....What will we do without our favorite overweight YJ PSYCHO MOMMY. She stirs the pot so well!

I think she started thte FAF plan.

If she is from the 2019 team, this is too funny. She does seem to be connected though.

Saw a few TG black players have jumped ship already, both YJ and TG tryouts should be interesting this year.Parents are starting to realize in general that there is a lot more opportunity over at YJ and that SS will not be able to have the involvement that they joined the club for.Looking down the road do they want to play for a club that is run by BS.Yes I think SS is an awesome coach but how long before another program with deeper pockets ,better facilities,and a lot more to offer steals her away.On the other hand all is not well in YJ land especially for the so called lower level players who now realize they are going to be moved down or realize they will not be moved up due to the shear numbers of kids playing YJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw a few TG black players have jumped ship already, both YJ and TG tryouts should be interesting this year.Parents are starting to realize in general that there is a lot more opportunity over at YJ and that SS will not be able to have the involvement that they joined the club for.Looking down the road do they want to play for a club that is run by BS.Yes I think SS is an awesome coach but how long before another program with deeper pockets ,better facilities,and a lot more to offer steals her away.On the other hand all is not well in YJ land especially for the so called lower level players who now realize they are going to be moved down or realize they will not be moved up due to the shear numbers of kids playing YJ.

Where did they jump to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw a few TG black players have jumped ship already, both YJ and TG tryouts should be interesting this year.Parents are starting to realize in general that there is a lot more opportunity over at YJ and that SS will not be able to have the involvement that they joined the club for.Looking down the road do they want to play for a club that is run by BS.Yes I think SS is an awesome coach but how long before another program with deeper pockets ,better facilities,and a lot more to offer steals her away.On the other hand all is not well in YJ land especially for the so called lower level players who now realize they are going to be moved down or realize they will not be moved up due to the shear numbers of kids playing YJ.

Oh ok Richard (insert nickname)

WhicH Years?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw a few TG black players have jumped ship already, both YJ and TG tryouts should be interesting this year.Parents are starting to realize in general that there is a lot more opportunity over at YJ and that SS will not be able to have the involvement that they joined the club for.Looking down the road do they want to play for a club that is run by BS.Yes I think SS is an awesome coach but how long before another program with deeper pockets ,better facilities,and a lot more to offer steals her away.On the other hand all is not well in YJ land especially for the so called lower level players who now realize they are going to be moved down or realize they will not be moved up due to the shear numbers of kids playing YJ.

Where did they jump to?

They are jumping where they can. They realize that the program can't win a game and YJ's are always winning everything. Oh wait, they just won the U15 national championship, maybe they will stay.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw a few TG black players have jumped ship already, both YJ and TG tryouts should be interesting this year.Parents are starting to realize in general that there is a lot more opportunity over at YJ and that SS will not be able to have the involvement that they joined the club for.Looking down the road do they want to play for a club that is run by BS.Yes I think SS is an awesome coach but how long before another program with deeper pockets ,better facilities,and a lot more to offer steals her away.On the other hand all is not well in YJ land especially for the so called lower level players who now realize they are going to be moved down or realize they will not be moved up due to the shear numbers of kids playing YJ.

Where did they jump to?

Just wondering how players on any team can jump ship when no tryouts have been held yet?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw a few TG black players have jumped ship already, both YJ and TG tryouts should be interesting this year.Parents are starting to realize in general that there is a lot more opportunity over at YJ and that SS will not be able to have the involvement that they joined the club for.Looking down the road do they want to play for a club that is run by BS.Yes I think SS is an awesome coach but how long before another program with deeper pockets ,better facilities,and a lot more to offer steals her away.On the other hand all is not well in YJ land especially for the so called lower level players who now realize they are going to be moved down or realize they will not be moved up due to the shear numbers of kids playing YJ.

Oh ok Richard (insert nickname)

Curious what was said that you have an issue with, instead of making a lame attempt at humor why not tell us what was stated that has no basis in reality.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw a few TG black players have jumped ship already, both YJ and TG tryouts should be interesting this year.Parents are starting to realize in general that there is a lot more opportunity over at YJ and that SS will not be able to have the involvement that they joined the club for.Looking down the road do they want to play for a club that is run by BS.Yes I think SS is an awesome coach but how long before another program with deeper pockets ,better facilities,and a lot more to offer steals her away.On the other hand all is not well in YJ land especially for the so called lower level players who now realize they are going to be moved down or realize they will not be moved up due to the shear numbers of kids playing YJ.

Let them jump!! Makes more room for those of us who really want to be there!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw a few TG black players have jumped ship already, both YJ and TG tryouts should be interesting this year.Parents are starting to realize in general that there is a lot more opportunity over at YJ and that SS will not be able to have the involvement that they joined the club for.Looking down the road do they want to play for a club that is run by BS.Yes I think SS is an awesome coach but how long before another program with deeper pockets ,better facilities,and a lot more to offer steals her away.On the other hand all is not well in YJ land especially for the so called lower level players who now realize they are going to be moved down or realize they will not be moved up due to the shear numbers of kids playing YJ.

Let them jump!! Makes more room for those of us who really want to be there!

Great point! If anybody wants to go - GOODBYE!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First 2020 season in the books. How would you say it went ? Beating YJ was sweet.

Okay I will bite, season was fair to good.National draw was a nightmare, beating YJ was good but thought the game was poorly played by both sides. Knowing many of the kids on both sides I would say YJ played all equally in game while TG did not, which is part of the problem. I think team is well coached in practice but come game time it seems we play PAL style in close games, get the ball to a couple kids who force their way to goal which will not work as kids get older.Team has many talented kids and a bunch who are a step down, politics also come into play as in which parents are paying for privates with who and how that affects playing time.Speaking with a friend who plays YJ said only once during the season was playing time clearly unequal and that was in game against MD.

Is it wrong to go to both YJ tryouts and TG tryouts (or others)? As a consumer and new to girls travel programs is it the wrong thing to do? Seeing first hand how some boys have been left behind, unknowingly, isn't it best to not put all of your eggs in one basket.

I would love it if tryouts were not on the same weekends, but commitments were needed at the same time, and not 3 days after you hear from a team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First 2020 season in the books. How would you say it went ? Beating YJ was sweet.

Okay I will bite, season was fair to good.National draw was a nightmare, beating YJ was good but thought the game was poorly played by both sides. Knowing many of the kids on both sides I would say YJ played all equally in game while TG did not, which is part of the problem. I think team is well coached in practice but come game time it seems we play PAL style in close games, get the ball to a couple kids who force their way to goal which will not work as kids get older.Team has many talented kids and a bunch who are a step down, politics also come into play as in which parents are paying for privates with who and how that affects playing time.Speaking with a friend who plays YJ said only once during the season was playing time clearly unequal and that was in game against MD.

Can't go to yj and tg tryouts and choose club that offers better placement since commitments and fees are due for TG long before YJ tryouts. Guess you could take a roster spot on TG. Pay for it tjen tryout for YJ and join if you make a better team.,but that would be wrong and expensive.

who

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw a few TG black players have jumped ship already, both YJ and TG tryouts should be interesting this year.Parents are starting to realize in general that there is a lot more opportunity over at YJ and that SS will not be able to have the involvement that they joined the club for.Looking down the road do they want to play for a club that is run by BS.Yes I think SS is an awesome coach but how long before another program with deeper pockets ,better facilities,and a lot more to offer steals her away.On the other hand all is not well in YJ land especially for the so called lower level players who now realize they are going to be moved down or realize they will not be moved up due to the shear numbers of kids playing YJ.

Oh ok Richard (insert nickname)

Curious what was said that you have an issue with, instead of making a lame attempt at humor why not tell us what was stated that has no basis in reality.

Issue seems to be with you RICHARD. Do you have a kid in each program or do you always share your know it all college professor opinions? Am I lame or right on the spot? We all can't wait for your usually limp, bloated, narcissistic opinion. Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't go to yj and tg tryouts and choose club that offers better placement since commitments and fees are due for TG long before YJ tryouts. Guess you could take a roster spot on TG. Pay for it tjen tryout for YJ and join if you make a better team.,but that would be wrong and expensive.

Or you could play for both

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw a few TG black players have jumped ship already, both YJ and TG tryouts should be interesting this year.Parents are starting to realize in general that there is a lot more opportunity over at YJ and that SS will not be able to have the involvement that they joined the club for.Looking down the road do they want to play for a club that is run by BS.Yes I think SS is an awesome coach but how long before another program with deeper pockets ,better facilities,and a lot more to offer steals her away.On the other hand all is not well in YJ land especially for the so called lower level players who now realize they are going to be moved down or realize they will not be moved up due to the shear numbers of kids playing YJ.

Oh ok Richard (insert nickname)

Curious what was said that you have an issue with, instead of making a lame attempt at humor why not tell us what was stated that has no basis in reality.

Issue seems to be with you RICHARD. Do you have a kid in each program or do you always share your know it all college professor opinions? Am I lame or right on the spot? We all can't wait for your usually limp, bloated, narcissistic opinion. Lol

I will do my best to answer your questions. Have had a child play in both programs and I do not always share my opinions.Yes you are lame.Again just because your daughter plays for a club that has too many issues to write about you resort to nonsense.Please let us know if you still would have signed up for your club if you would have known that Shannon's main involvement would be having her dad run the club and her brother be the most prominent coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw a few TG black players have jumped ship already, both YJ and TG tryouts should be interesting this year.Parents are starting to realize in general that there is a lot more opportunity over at YJ and that SS will not be able to have the involvement that they joined the club for.Looking down the road do they want to play for a club that is run by BS.Yes I think SS is an awesome coach but how long before another program with deeper pockets ,better facilities,and a lot more to offer steals her away.On the other hand all is not well in YJ land especially for the so called lower level players who now realize they are going to be moved down or realize they will not be moved up due to the shear numbers of kids playing YJ.

Oh ok Richard (insert nickname)

Curious what was said that you have an issue with, instead of making a lame attempt at humor why not tell us what was stated that has no basis in reality.

Issue seems to be with you RICHARD. Do you have a kid in each program or do you always share your know it all college professor opinions? Am I lame or right on the spot? We all can't wait for your usually limp, bloated, narcissistic opinion. Lol

I will do my best to answer your questions. Have had a child play in both programs and I do not always share my opinions.Yes you are lame.Again just because your daughter plays for a club that has too many issues to write about you resort to nonsense.Please let us know if you still would have signed up for your club if you would have known that Shannon's main involvement would be having her dad run the club and her brother be the most prominent coach.

Shannon was just coaching my daughter last night, although she's not her "official" coach. She's still involved and coaching. There are several good coaches in the TG program. Just be happy with your club, and go away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw a few TG black players have jumped ship already, both YJ and TG tryouts should be interesting this year.Parents are starting to realize in general that there is a lot more opportunity over at YJ and that SS will not be able to have the involvement that they joined the club for.Looking down the road do they want to play for a club that is run by BS.Yes I think SS is an awesome coach but how long before another program with deeper pockets ,better facilities,and a lot more to offer steals her away.On the other hand all is not well in YJ land especially for the so called lower level players who now realize they are going to be moved down or realize they will not be moved up due to the shear numbers of kids playing YJ.

Oh ok Richard (insert nickname)

Curious what was said that you have an issue with, instead of making a lame attempt at humor why not tell us what was stated that has no basis in reality.

Issue seems to be with you RICHARD. Do you have a kid in each program or do you always share your know it all college professor opinions? Am I lame or right on the spot? We all can't wait for your usually limp, bloated, narcissistic opinion. Lol

I will do my best to answer your questions. Have had a child play in both programs and I do not always share my opinions.Yes you are lame.Again just because your daughter plays for a club that has too many issues to write about you resort to nonsense.Please let us know if you still would have signed up for your club if you would have known that Shannon's main involvement would be having her dad run the club and her brother be the most prominent coach.

Shannon was just coaching my daughter last night, although she's not her "official" coach. She's still involved and coaching. There are several good coaches in the TG program. Just be happy with your club, and go away.

Seriously, yes she was coaching your daughter yesterday because you paid for and went to her camp which was available to any kid that did the same regardless of club.With your logic I guess the YJ kids can consider Shannon to be involved in their club coaching list also because she was coaching them also yesterday which is great because I think Shannon is a great coach and player.

Was this another Just 4 Girls camp?

Good point. I have to admit, that was a bad example! However, I don't know what you expect from her when it comes to TG. Did you think she'd be coaching every team? She's at the practices, the winter games, the tournaments, clinics, camps, etc. She moves from team to team, and gets involved with everyone. Ever since she got the Hofstra job, the anti-TG people love to talk about how she's not involved anymore. This is our first year with TG, so I don't know what she did last year, but I didn't expect her to be personally coaching my daughter's team. What we're getting from her is fine. She helps coach each team, from time to time, seems to know most of the girls, is a great role model & leader, interacts with the parents, and will probably be a big help, if and when, recruiting time comes. What more do people expect? Each family should choose what's best for them, and let others do the same. It's unbelievable how much nonsense goes back and forth over YJ vs TG!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was this another Just 4 Girls camp?

Nothing like Just 4 Girls, which is pretty much a beginner-type skills camp.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was this another Just 4 Girls camp?

No it is a High School team camp

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good point. I have to admit, that was a bad example! However, I don't know what you expect from her when it comes to TG. Did you think she'd be coaching every team? She's at the practices, the winter games, the tournaments, clinics, camps, etc. She moves from team to team, and gets involved with everyone. Ever since she got the Hofstra job, the anti-TG people love to talk about how she's not involved anymore. This is our first year with TG, so I don't know what she did last year, but I didn't expect her to be personally coaching my daughter's team. What we're getting from her is fine. She helps coach each team, from time to time, seems to know most of the girls, is a great role model & leader, interacts with the parents, and will probably be a big help, if and when, recruiting time comes. What more do people expect? Each family should choose what's best for them, and let others do the same. It's unbelievable how much nonsense goes back and forth over YJ vs TG!

Excellent and well-balanced post. Thank you for the contribution.

I am happy with the coaching of my daughters team. SS has filled in and helped our coaches multiple times this season and they are a b team. Maybe you should be asking your own child if they are enjoying themselves and not worry about your self. They are not the ones yelling from a beach chair with an umbrella or pacing up and down the field length sideline coaching. When you start paying my child's tuition, they you will be relevant.

go 2016 topguns you rock.......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

go 2016 topguns you rock.......

Thanks for making the same exact post (basically) three times on three different threads all within 3 minutes of one another.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good point. I have to admit, that was a bad example! However, I don't know what you expect from her when it comes to TG. Did you think she'd be coaching every team? She's at the practices, the winter games, the tournaments, clinics, camps, etc. She moves from team to team, and gets involved with everyone. Ever since she got the Hofstra job, the anti-TG people love to talk about how she's not involved anymore. This is our first year with TG, so I don't know what she did last year, but I didn't expect her to be personally coaching my daughter's team. What we're getting from her is fine. She helps coach each team, from time to time, seems to know most of the girls, is a great role model & leader, interacts with the parents, and will probably be a big help, if and when, recruiting time comes. What more do people expect? Each family should choose what's best for them, and let others do the same. It's unbelievable how much nonsense goes back and forth over YJ vs TG!

What more do people expect? We expected her to run the club and be involved on a full time basis which is what we were told when we joined several years ago,that is not what we found so we left.Kid is a great coach and role model cannot say the same about the actual club owner.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good point. I have to admit, that was a bad example! However, I don't know what you expect from her when it comes to TG. Did you think she'd be coaching every team? She's at the practices, the winter games, the tournaments, clinics, camps, etc. She moves from team to team, and gets involved with everyone. Ever since she got the Hofstra job, the anti-TG people love to talk about how she's not involved anymore. This is our first year with TG, so I don't know what she did last year, but I didn't expect her to be personally coaching my daughter's team. What we're getting from her is fine. She helps coach each team, from time to time, seems to know most of the girls, is a great role model & leader, interacts with the parents, and will probably be a big help, if and when, recruiting time comes. What more do people expect? Each family should choose what's best for them, and let others do the same. It's unbelievable how much nonsense goes back and forth over YJ vs TG!

What more do people expect? We expected her to run the club and be involved on a full time basis which is what we were told when we joined several years ago,that is not what we found so we left.Kid is a great coach and role model cannot say the same about the actual club owner.

Sounds like your expectations were too high, so it was a good idea to move on. We've been there for fall, winter, spring, and summer, and she's been involved enough for us. She's coached my daughter's purple team more than once, and helped out occasionally at her practices. If you wanted full time SS, all the time, then yes - it was time for you to move on. Good luck!

if you want fulltime SS go t Hofstra

Originally Posted by Anonymous

if you want fulltime SS go t Hofstra

Exactly...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

if you want fulltime SS go t Hofstra

Exactly...

If you want full time Carol rose go to Northport, or full time Danielle Gallagher go to Manhasset, whats your point

AS tryouts near I hear there are many who will not be returning, especially at the younger ages. My guess is a lot of turnover on the top teams as I hear some of the so called better black players will not be returning.That being said I think more kids total will show up at tryouts than ever before.

What color is their A team? My daughter wants to tryout for the 2021 team. I heard good things about this program. Any info on the coaches and the program?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AS tryouts near I hear there are many who will not be returning, especially at the younger ages. My guess is a lot of turnover on the top teams as I hear some of the so called better black players will not be returning.That being said I think more kids total will show up at tryouts than ever before.

What ages are you referring to? Also, I think TG loses out with having tryouts this weekend. I know a number of girls in my daughter's age group (2020) that wanted to tryout but cannot due to a conflict with a large soccer tourney being held this weekend. The parents were told that they could attend the camp they had last week and be evaluated there but decided on not attending.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AS tryouts near I hear there are many who will not be returning, especially at the younger ages. My guess is a lot of turnover on the top teams as I hear some of the so called better black players will not be returning.That being said I think more kids total will show up at tryouts than ever before.

What ages are you referring to? Also, I think TG loses out with having tryouts this weekend. I know a number of girls in my daughter's age group (2020) that wanted to tryout but cannot due to a conflict with a large soccer tourney being held this weekend. The parents were told that they could attend the camp they had last week and be evaluated there but decided on not attending.

Mainly 2018 and 2019, I know several from both age groups top team that do not plan on returning. Not a good thing if some of your better players are leaving but probably happens in all travel clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AS tryouts near I hear there are many who will not be returning, especially at the younger ages. My guess is a lot of turnover on the top teams as I hear some of the so called better black players will not be returning.That being said I think more kids total will show up at tryouts than ever before.

What ages are you referring to? Also, I think TG loses out with having tryouts this weekend. I know a number of girls in my daughter's age group (2020) that wanted to tryout but cannot due to a conflict with a large soccer tourney being held this weekend. The parents were told that they could attend the camp they had last week and be evaluated there but decided on not attending.

Mainly 2018 and 2019, I know several from both age groups top team that do not plan on returning. Not a good thing if some of your better players are leaving but probably happens in all travel clubs.

Heard of some 2018 players and 2019 thinking of not returning too, but we will see who shows up for tryouts. 2018 needs a shake up anyway, some of the players rumored to be leaving will be missed lightly, bigger problem with team is who may be coming from a way too town dominated roster. One town politics of the team has killed the vibe of the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AS tryouts near I hear there are many who will not be returning, especially at the younger ages. My guess is a lot of turnover on the top teams as I hear some of the so called better black players will not be returning.That being said I think more kids total will show up at tryouts than ever before.

What ages are you referring to? Also, I think TG loses out with having tryouts this weekend. I know a number of girls in my daughter's age group (2020) that wanted to tryout but cannot due to a conflict with a large soccer tourney being held this weekend. The parents were told that they could attend the camp they had last week and be evaluated there but decided on not attending.

Mainly 2018 and 2019, I know several from both age groups top team that do not plan on returning. Not a good thing if some of your better players are leaving but probably happens in all travel clubs.

Heard of some 2018 players and 2019 thinking of not returning too, but we will see who shows up for tryouts. 2018 needs a shake up anyway, some of the players rumored to be leaving will be missed lightly, bigger problem with team is who may be coming from a way too town dominated roster. One town politics of the team has killed the vibe of the team.

They are solving the problem by adding a 4th team for 2018 there will be black purple white and WM

What Is Wm? WarD Melville?

how many from 19 black or not returning

they are the team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AS tryouts near I hear there are many who will not be returning, especially at the younger ages. My guess is a lot of turnover on the top teams as I hear some of the so called better black players will not be returning.That being said I think more kids total will show up at tryouts than ever before.

What ages are you referring to? Also, I think TG loses out with having tryouts this weekend. I know a number of girls in my daughter's age group (2020) that wanted to tryout but cannot due to a conflict with a large soccer tourney being held this weekend. The parents were told that they could attend the camp they had last week and be evaluated there but decided on not attending.

Mainly 2018 and 2019, I know several from both age groups top team that do not plan on returning. Not a good thing if some of your better players are leaving but probably happens in all travel clubs.

Heard of some 2018 players and 2019 thinking of not returning too, but we will see who shows up for tryouts. 2018 needs a shake up anyway, some of the players rumored to be leaving will be missed lightly, bigger problem with team is who may be coming from a way too town dominated roster. One town politics of the team has killed the vibe of the team.

2019 Black has too many daddies crawling up the coach�s butt trying to get their town players on that team.

Hopefully enough for those that want to play for TG to move up.

Do they expect a large turnout for their new teams for 2021? My daughter plans on trying out for this group and I am hoping its very competitive. Do they expect a smaller turnout because of the East Meadow soccer tournament?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do they expect a large turnout for their new teams for 2021? My daughter plans on trying out for this group and I am hoping its very competitive. Do they expect a smaller turnout because of the East Meadow soccer tournament?

If past years are any indication, the turnout will be ok, but the talent will be light. The 2020 has a good black team although they are not deep in talent. The purple team had alot of 4th graders on it and struggled against any talented team. Hopefully the turnout is better for your daughter. Good Luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AS tryouts near I hear there are many who will not be returning, especially at the younger ages. My guess is a lot of turnover on the top teams as I hear some of the so called better black players will not be returning.That being said I think more kids total will show up at tryouts than ever before.

How funny. I just read a post on the YJ site debating what to do when the shakeup occurs with their 2019 class.

Every year you will have turnover from each program. It's impossible to make everyone happy throughout the year, so inevitably you'll have parents and kids looking to try something different and hopefully more enjoyable. There will be YJ girls trying out at the TG tryouts and there will be TG girls trying out at the YJ tryouts. Try to find the most enjoyable spot for your daughter and don't worry about who is going where.

After all the speculation and rumor mills, the dynamics of each team will remain likely intact and have very little turnover. Good luck to all the girls in both programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AS tryouts near I hear there are many who will not be returning, especially at the younger ages. My guess is a lot of turnover on the top teams as I hear some of the so called better black players will not be returning.That being said I think more kids total will show up at tryouts than ever before.

How funny. I just read a post on the YJ site debating what to do when the shakeup occurs with their 2019 class.

Every year you will have turnover from each program. It's impossible to make everyone happy throughout the year, so inevitably you'll have parents and kids looking to try something different and hopefully more enjoyable. There will be YJ girls trying out at the TG tryouts and there will be TG girls trying out at the YJ tryouts. Try to find the most enjoyable spot for your daughter and don't worry about who is going where.

After all the speculation and rumor mills, the dynamics of each team will remain likely intact and have very little turnover. Good luck to all the girls in both programs.

There�s a lot of FAF in that YJ 2019 group, so I don�t think much will change over there. Probably add another team like last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do they expect a large turnout for their new teams for 2021? My daughter plans on trying out for this group and I am hoping its very competitive. Do they expect a smaller turnout because of the East Meadow soccer tournament?

I would expect them to easily field two teams at that age as they have in the past. This years 2020 group was very good but started out with many players who were on black 2019 the year before as well as some purple players. For this year I think there are several kids who played up a year, who will be sliding down to their own age. Several players played up for the purple team who should have a decent shot at black and I think there was one player on black 2020 who will be moving to 2021. All that said, the talent always seems to show up for this club for the first year. The TG may not host 5 teams for the age group, but they will put together a competitive black team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do they expect a large turnout for their new teams for 2021? My daughter plans on trying out for this group and I am hoping its very competitive. Do they expect a smaller turnout because of the East Meadow soccer tournament?

I would expect them to easily field two teams at that age as they have in the past. This years 2020 group was very good but started out with many players who were on black 2019 the year before as well as some purple players. For this year I think there are several kids who played up a year, who will be sliding down to their own age. Several players played up for the purple team who should have a decent shot at black and I think there was one player on black 2020 who will be moving to 2021. All that said, the talent always seems to show up for this club for the first year. The TG may not host 5 teams for the age group, but they will put together a competitive black team.

Lots of movement from 2020 Black few from that team going over to YJ. Team tired one or two players going to goal mentality and real tired of the Huntington loud mouth daddys who just never shut up!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do they expect a large turnout for their new teams for 2021? My daughter plans on trying out for this group and I am hoping its very competitive. Do they expect a smaller turnout because of the East Meadow soccer tournament?

I would expect them to easily field two teams at that age as they have in the past. This years 2020 group was very good but started out with many players who were on black 2019 the year before as well as some purple players. For this year I think there are several kids who played up a year, who will be sliding down to their own age. Several players played up for the purple team who should have a decent shot at black and I think there was one player on black 2020 who will be moving to 2021. All that said, the talent always seems to show up for this club for the first year. The TG may not host 5 teams for the age group, but they will put together a competitive black team.

Lots of movement from 2020 Black few from that team going over to YJ. Team tired one or two players going to goal mentality and real tired of the Huntington loud mouth daddys who just never shut up!

Unfortunately 2020 is a team that is already starting to be controlled with the behind the scenes nonsense , but kissing and private lessons. Even worse it is painfully obvious that they try to win games by having 2 players force their way to the goal. If your kid came out of the YJ game for more than 5 minutes you may want to look elsewhere because the writing is on the wall either you will be moved down to purple or you will be riding the pine in any competitive game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do they expect a large turnout for their new teams for 2021? My daughter plans on trying out for this group and I am hoping its very competitive. Do they expect a smaller turnout because of the East Meadow soccer tournament?

I would expect them to easily field two teams at that age as they have in the past. This years 2020 group was very good but started out with many players who were on black 2019 the year before as well as some purple players. For this year I think there are several kids who played up a year, who will be sliding down to their own age. Several players played up for the purple team who should have a decent shot at black and I think there was one player on black 2020 who will be moving to 2021. All that said, the talent always seems to show up for this club for the first year. The TG may not host 5 teams for the age group, but they will put together a competitive black team.

Lots of movement from 2020 Black few from that team going over to YJ. Team tired one or two players going to goal mentality and real tired of the Huntington loud mouth daddys who just never shut up!

I see you have some conflicts with some of the parents or players on that team for whatever reason, I'm sure rooting in town politics or whatever. The truth of 2020 is team play, they move and transition the ball through most all players very well, way better than nearly all teams their age and better than most teams several years older. Very rarely would you see girls going to goal, nearly always you saw quick cuts hit with pass ending with quick stick goal. Sounds like you have your agenda, so feel free to spew hate on a team you know nothing about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do they expect a large turnout for their new teams for 2021? My daughter plans on trying out for this group and I am hoping its very competitive. Do they expect a smaller turnout because of the East Meadow soccer tournament?

I would expect them to easily field two teams at that age as they have in the past. This years 2020 group was very good but started out with many players who were on black 2019 the year before as well as some purple players. For this year I think there are several kids who played up a year, who will be sliding down to their own age. Several players played up for the purple team who should have a decent shot at black and I think there was one player on black 2020 who will be moving to 2021. All that said, the talent always seems to show up for this club for the first year. The TG may not host 5 teams for the age group, but they will put together a competitive black team.

Lots of movement from 2020 Black few from that team going over to YJ. Team tired one or two players going to goal mentality and real tired of the Huntington loud mouth daddys who just never shut up!

BYE BYE & good luck! We'll be seeing ya on YJ 3rd, 4th or 5th 2020 team!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do they expect a large turnout for their new teams for 2021? My daughter plans on trying out for this group and I am hoping its very competitive. Do they expect a smaller turnout because of the East Meadow soccer tournament?

I would expect them to easily field two teams at that age as they have in the past. This years 2020 group was very good but started out with many players who were on black 2019 the year before as well as some purple players. For this year I think there are several kids who played up a year, who will be sliding down to their own age. Several players played up for the purple team who should have a decent shot at black and I think there was one player on black 2020 who will be moving to 2021. All that said, the talent always seems to show up for this club for the first year. The TG may not host 5 teams for the age group, but they will put together a competitive black team.

Lots of movement from 2020 Black few from that team going over to YJ. Team tired one or two players going to goal mentality and real tired of the Huntington loud mouth daddys who just never shut up!

BYE BYE & good luck! We'll be seeing ya on YJ 3rd, 4th or 5th 2020 team!

AMEN!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do they expect a large turnout for their new teams for 2021? My daughter plans on trying out for this group and I am hoping its very competitive. Do they expect a smaller turnout because of the East Meadow soccer tournament?

I would expect them to easily field two teams at that age as they have in the past. This years 2020 group was very good but started out with many players who were on black 2019 the year before as well as some purple players. For this year I think there are several kids who played up a year, who will be sliding down to their own age. Several players played up for the purple team who should have a decent shot at black and I think there was one player on black 2020 who will be moving to 2021. All that said, the talent always seems to show up for this club for the first year. The TG may not host 5 teams for the age group, but they will put together a competitive black team.

Lots of movement from 2020 Black few from that team going over to YJ. Team tired one or two players going to goal mentality and real tired of the Huntington loud mouth daddys who just never shut up!

I see you have some conflicts with some of the parents or players on that team for whatever reason, I'm sure rooting in town politics or whatever. The truth of 2020 is team play, they move and transition the ball through most all players very well, way better than nearly all teams their age and better than most teams several years older. Very rarely would you see girls going to goal, nearly always you saw quick cuts hit with pass ending with quick stick goal. Sounds like you have your agenda, so feel free to spew hate on a team you know nothing about.

Whoa! I bet they are recruiting them already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do they expect a large turnout for their new teams for 2021? My daughter plans on trying out for this group and I am hoping its very competitive. Do they expect a smaller turnout because of the East Meadow soccer tournament?

I would expect them to easily field two teams at that age as they have in the past. This years 2020 group was very good but started out with many players who were on black 2019 the year before as well as some purple players. For this year I think there are several kids who played up a year, who will be sliding down to their own age. Several players played up for the purple team who should have a decent shot at black and I think there was one player on black 2020 who will be moving to 2021. All that said, the talent always seems to show up for this club for the first year. The TG may not host 5 teams for the age group, but they will put together a competitive black team.

Lots of movement from 2020 Black few from that team going over to YJ. Team tired one or two players going to goal mentality and real tired of the Huntington loud mouth daddys who just never shut up!

Do they think they'll make Curcios team?

Good Luck to all the girls trying out tomorrow!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do they expect a large turnout for their new teams for 2021? My daughter plans on trying out for this group and I am hoping its very competitive. Do they expect a smaller turnout because of the East Meadow soccer tournament?

I would expect them to easily field two teams at that age as they have in the past. This years 2020 group was very good but started out with many players who were on black 2019 the year before as well as some purple players. For this year I think there are several kids who played up a year, who will be sliding down to their own age. Several players played up for the purple team who should have a decent shot at black and I think there was one player on black 2020 who will be moving to 2021. All that said, the talent always seems to show up for this club for the first year. The TG may not host 5 teams for the age group, but they will put together a competitive black team.

Lots of movement from 2020 Black few from that team going over to YJ. Team tired one or two players going to goal mentality and real tired of the Huntington loud mouth daddys who just never shut up!

Unfortunately 2020 is a team that is already starting to be controlled with the behind the scenes nonsense , but kissing and private lessons. Even worse it is painfully obvious that they try to win games by having 2 players force their way to the goal. If your kid came out of the YJ game for more than 5 minutes you may want to look elsewhere because the writing is on the wall either you will be moved down to purple or you will be riding the pine in any competitive game.

First, what is wrong with girls getting private lessons? MANY girls get privates with Top Guns and other places. There is nothing wrong with girls working hard to get better! Secondly, all the girls played in the game against YJ. Why wouldn't this team play to win? It's travel lax not town lax, isn't the point to win? I'd love to know what two girls you're referring to since this certainly was not the case in YJ game or during the season! You OBVIOUSLY are not from the 2020 Black team or Top Guns for that matter!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do they expect a large turnout for their new teams for 2021? My daughter plans on trying out for this group and I am hoping its very competitive. Do they expect a smaller turnout because of the East Meadow soccer tournament?

I would expect them to easily field two teams at that age as they have in the past. This years 2020 group was very good but started out with many players who were on black 2019 the year before as well as some purple players. For this year I think there are several kids who played up a year, who will be sliding down to their own age. Several players played up for the purple team who should have a decent shot at black and I think there was one player on black 2020 who will be moving to 2021. All that said, the talent always seems to show up for this club for the first year. The TG may not host 5 teams for the age group, but they will put together a competitive black team.

Lots of movement from 2020 Black few from that team going over to YJ. Team tired one or two players going to goal mentality and real tired of the Huntington loud mouth daddys who just never shut up!

Unfortunately 2020 is a team that is already starting to be controlled with the behind the scenes nonsense , but kissing and private lessons. Even worse it is painfully obvious that they try to win games by having 2 players force their way to the goal. If your kid came out of the YJ game for more than 5 minutes you may want to look elsewhere because the writing is on the wall either you will be moved down to purple or you will be riding the pine in any competitive game.

First, what is wrong with girls getting private lessons? MANY girls get privates with Top Guns and other places. There is nothing wrong with girls working hard to get better! Secondly, all the girls played in the game against YJ. Why wouldn't this team play to win? It's travel lax not town lax, isn't the point to win? I'd love to know what two girls you're referring to since this certainly was not the case in YJ game or during the season! You OBVIOUSLY are not from the 2020 Black team or Top Guns for that matter!

Sorry, but I am from TG, but I would never use any girl's name on BOTC. You don't have to agree, it's just my opinion.

Huge turnout for 2017 tryouts, with what looked like lots of talent. Close to 100 players. Best of luck to all the girls!

Originally Posted by Laxmax1

Huge turnout for 2017 tryouts, with what looked like lots of talent. Close to 100 players. Best of luck to all the girls!

2018 had to be pushing 150 girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Laxmax1

Huge turnout for 2017 tryouts, with what looked like lots of talent. Close to 100 players. Best of luck to all the girls!

2018 had to be pushing 150 girls.

What was the turnout for 2019 and 2020 ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Do they expect a large turnout for their new teams for 2021? My daughter plans on trying out for this group and I am hoping its very competitive. Do they expect a smaller turnout because of the East Meadow soccer tournament?

I would expect them to easily field two teams at that age as they have in the past. This years 2020 group was very good but started out with many players who were on black 2019 the year before as well as some purple players. For this year I think there are several kids who played up a year, who will be sliding down to their own age. Several players played up for the purple team who should have a decent shot at black and I think there was one player on black 2020 who will be moving to 2021. All that said, the talent always seems to show up for this club for the first year. The TG may not host 5 teams for the age group, but they will put together a competitive black team.

Lots of movement from 2020 Black few from that team going over to YJ. Team tired one or two players going to goal mentality and real tired of the Huntington loud mouth daddys who just never shut up!

Do they think they'll make Curcios team?

Doubt it the players that are looking to move are the ones that were firmly planted on the bench v the YJ. The starters aren't going anywhere.

so you looking at 4 teams now for 2018

Originally Posted by Anonymous

so you looking at 4 teams now for 2018

All depends on how many goalies they had tryout!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

so you looking at 4 teams now for 2018

That's how they do it in yj land, I think they are sticking with 3 teams. They could make 6 teams if they wanted to, but I think they won't, I guess we will see.

do we know when we will know?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

do we know when we will know?

one week

The 2018 black will stay the same have enough kids on it already .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Do they expect a large turnout for their new teams for 2021? My daughter plans on trying out for this group and I am hoping its very competitive. Do they expect a smaller turnout because of the East Meadow soccer tournament?

I would expect them to easily field two teams at that age as they have in the past. This years 2020 group was very good but started out with many players who were on black 2019 the year before as well as some purple players. For this year I think there are several kids who played up a year, who will be sliding down to their own age. Several players played up for the purple team who should have a decent shot at black and I think there was one player on black 2020 who will be moving to 2021. All that said, the talent always seems to show up for this club for the first year. The TG may not host 5 teams for the age group, but they will put together a competitive black team.

Lots of movement from 2020 Black few from that team going over to YJ. Team tired one or two players going to goal mentality and real tired of the Huntington loud mouth daddys who just never shut up!

Do they think they'll make Curcios team?

Doubt it the players that are looking to move are the ones that were firmly planted on the bench v the YJ. The starters aren't going anywhere.

All the TG players did get playing time in that win. If the team was at any point down in score or even tie, maybe they would have neglected subs to ensure a win, but they didn't have too. Even against the more competitive clubs (M&D and Skywalkers) they all rotated equally in, so even that logic is flawed. On the flip side I have seen several YJ games (older) without even a single sub, they are much more of a win at all costs club. With that said, I'm not sure with which philosophy I agree with more. I think both clubs put way to many girls on the roster which creates the problems to begin with. Its all about the money.

Heard top 2018 Black players didn't go to try-outs and are moving over to Yellow Jackets. Any truth to this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard top 2018 Black players didn't go to try-outs and are moving over to Yellow Jackets. Any truth to this?

That's very funny!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard top 2018 Black players didn't go to try-outs and are moving over to Yellow Jackets. Any truth to this?

No. A few players looking for greener grass (more playing time) is all. If they end up at YJ blue, it would likely not improve their playing time as that team is just as competitive. Good luck to them wherever they end up. With the amount of players at tryouts vying for black, hopefully you will see some quality players to fill those spots as well as some needed player movement, although some of the politics seem to run deep on this team/ club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2018 black will stay the same have enough kids on it already .

That's not true, last year 2017 had alot of movement,could happen any year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Do they expect a large turnout for their new teams for 2021? My daughter plans on trying out for this group and I am hoping its very competitive. Do they expect a smaller turnout because of the East Meadow soccer tournament?

I would expect them to easily field two teams at that age as they have in the past. This years 2020 group was very good but started out with many players who were on black 2019 the year before as well as some purple players. For this year I think there are several kids who played up a year, who will be sliding down to their own age. Several players played up for the purple team who should have a decent shot at black and I think there was one player on black 2020 who will be moving to 2021. All that said, the talent always seems to show up for this club for the first year. The TG may not host 5 teams for the age group, but they will put together a competitive black team.

Lots of movement from 2020 Black few from that team going over to YJ. Team tired one or two players going to goal mentality and real tired of the Huntington loud mouth daddys who just never shut up!

Do they think they'll make Curcios team?

Doubt it the players that are looking to move are the ones that were firmly planted on the bench v the YJ. The starters aren't going anywhere.

All the TG players did get playing time in that win. If the team was at any point down in score or even tie, maybe they would have neglected subs to ensure a win, but they didn't have too. Even against the more competitive clubs (M&D and Skywalkers) they all rotated equally in, so even that logic is flawed. On the flip side I have seen several YJ games (older) without even a single sub, they are much more of a win at all costs club. With that said, I'm not sure with which philosophy I agree with more. I think both clubs put way to many girls on the roster which creates the problems to begin with. Its all about the money.

You have no idea what you are talking about. First stop with your veiled nonsense that the YJ team was not one of the more competitive teams, every TG parent knew they had beaten MD who had previously dismantled TG. Second to act as if playing time was even close to being equal for TG in that game is a joke , had kids who played less than 5 minutes total while some kids actually never came out. If you know some of the YJ kids you would also know that they did in fact play all kids about equal.Not sure which way is the right thing to do then have your kid be one of the ones who sat out 90 % of the YJ game and get back to me.

Was out the 2021 tryouts yesterday and seemed to be approx. 50-60 girls trying out. Not a lax parent so much of this is new to me. Just curious what parents thought of the tryout and if it was run well, positives, negatives, etc. I will give my 2 cents.

Intro-no intro to any of the parents about whats going to take place, who she is or her staff (I know its on the website but I have no idea who these people are as there are no pictures), how this will run, etc. Maybe its me but when I'm running a business and you have folks like me who don't really know people in lax I would expect someone to take 2-3 mins to give a brief summary of whats going to happen to the girls for the next 2 hrs.

Time-it generally started on time and they moved the girls through 3 different stations via whistle after warming them out with throwing and catching and a sprint from end line to end line with all the gear on with their sticks.

Drills-I imagine these were standard lax evaluation drills but not sure so anyone who was there pls let me know what they thought. After each drill the girls would turnaround with their backs facing the evaluators showing their number on the pinie and they would mark their score/rating. Girls got water breaks in between the drills and everyone seemed OK.

Overall I thought it went well and my daughter did have fun with her friends who tried out also.

Also curious what were the numbers like , I counted about 60 at 2020. How were other age groups.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Also curious what were the numbers like , I counted about 60 at 2020. How were other age groups.

There were four groups doing the 7v7 scrimmage at the end, so there's 60 kids right there (includes a goalie with each group) and there were at least 4-6 kids subbing in and out of each scrimmage, so probably at least 70-75 kids at 2020

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Do they expect a large turnout for their new teams for 2021? My daughter plans on trying out for this group and I am hoping its very competitive. Do they expect a smaller turnout because of the East Meadow soccer tournament?

I would expect them to easily field two teams at that age as they have in the past. This years 2020 group was very good but started out with many players who were on black 2019 the year before as well as some purple players. For this year I think there are several kids who played up a year, who will be sliding down to their own age. Several players played up for the purple team who should have a decent shot at black and I think there was one player on black 2020 who will be moving to 2021. All that said, the talent always seems to show up for this club for the first year. The TG may not host 5 teams for the age group, but they will put together a competitive black team.

Lots of movement from 2020 Black few from that team going over to YJ. Team tired one or two players going to goal mentality and real tired of the Huntington loud mouth daddys who just never shut up!

Do they think they'll make Curcios team?

Doubt it the players that are looking to move are the ones that were firmly planted on the bench v the YJ. The starters aren't going anywhere.

All the TG players did get playing time in that win. If the team was at any point down in score or even tie, maybe they would have neglected subs to ensure a win, but they didn't have too. Even against the more competitive clubs (M&D and Skywalkers) they all rotated equally in, so even that logic is flawed. On the flip side I have seen several YJ games (older) without even a single sub, they are much more of a win at all costs club. With that said, I'm not sure with which philosophy I agree with more. I think both clubs put way to many girls on the roster which creates the problems to begin with. Its all about the money.

You have no idea what you are talking about. First stop with your veiled nonsense that the YJ team was not one of the more competitive teams, every TG parent knew they had beaten MD who had previously dismantled TG. Second to act as if playing time was even close to being equal for TG in that game is a joke , had kids who played less than 5 minutes total while some kids actually never came out. If you know some of the YJ kids you would also know that they did in fact play all kids about equal.Not sure which way is the right thing to do then have your kid be one of the ones who sat out 90 % of the YJ game and get back to me.

Semi finals at national draw last year tg 2019 vs yj 2018 blue there were 5-6 yj kids who never even played in the game and 3-4 others who got a few minutes at the end of the game, so lets stop the nonsense about yj playing equally - yj parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Also curious what were the numbers like , I counted about 60 at 2020. How were other age groups.

About 95 at 2017

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Also curious what were the numbers like , I counted about 60 at 2020. How were other age groups.

There were four groups doing the 7v7 scrimmage at the end, so there's 60 kids right there (includes a goalie with each group) and there were at least 4-6 kids subbing in and out of each scrimmage, so probably at least 70-75 kids at 2020

would have been more except for the soccer tournament conflicts

I feel that there should only be 2 teams per age group. Black and purple. Adding white or any other color of the rainbow makes it more about the money. Anyone else?

Half the time the evaluators heads were down or talking to the other coach. I was looking forward for this for my daughter and it was terrible. She went to the camp the week before and did real well. Within the first couple of drills she hardly got any reps. She must of been rated low because and the end when they scrimmaged she was put at the other end of field with one coach and never was seen by the main people. Figures she scores 4 goals there. One tryout is not enough to really evaluate these girls. I really liked what they have to offer as a program. I just have to say I was a little dissapointed how it was run.

2018 black is three village

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I feel that there should only be 2 teams per age group. Black and purple. Adding white or any other color of the rainbow makes it more about the money. Anyone else?

Agree, yet for the age group they did it with they at least didn't leave the non top teams without talent. They have talent spread through each team. Some of the whites and certainly some of the purples could easily play on black, those teams just lack the depth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I feel that there should only be 2 teams per age group. Black and purple. Adding white or any other color of the rainbow makes it more about the money. Anyone else?

I have no problem with 3 teams, if it's done for the right reasons. Last year, they had over 100 girls at the 2018 tryout, took about the best 75, added the white team, and they were competitive, so why not? If only 60-70 girls show up, and you take them all, regardless of skill level, and add a 3rd team, which gets crushed at the tournaments, then yes, you're right - it would be about the money. So far, that hasn't been the case.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 black is three village

Might see that change this year

The last few posters were spot on. The white team has some talent but not depth, and the girls and parents had a good experience and it was a successful season. Too bad the Whites most skilled player was a ballhog.
The White lost to the Purple in the Hofstra tournament playoffs in overtime and the Purple lost to the Black by 1 goal in the finals so the talent is spread out.
Hey maybe we should be like the YJ's and call all our teams Blue, oops I mean Black!!!
As for those having a problem with the three Village girls on the Black, they are talented players even if they and their parents are cliquey? (or however you spell it)

2018 tryouts had about 100 people again I would guess and two good 2018 players from last years Black were not there so between that and the bottom few spots on the roster, there should be some new blood on the team; a team that only lost two games all summer with the only losses coming to M&D and Skywalkers who, beside being good, also have older players based on Maryland letting girls start school late.

The white was in the lowest bracket at every tournament and struggled there. That's not competitive And I highly doubt there are a few whites who could play on black or they would be on black. Maybe a purple or two but not white. Wake up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The white was in the lowest bracket at every tournament and struggled there. That's not competitive And I highly doubt there are a few whites who could play on black or they would be on black. Maybe a purple or two but not white. Wake up

You're wrong

You maybe right or you maybe wrong. Time will tell. I must say they are a talented group of girls.

cliquey....if you did not have TV kids you would not win .

Is TV the only town in Suffolk who has players?

1st time @ TG. Thought there was plenty of talent trying out. They can't all be from TV.

May you are watching too much TV.

I am no genius but I assume they seem cliquey because they live in the same town, their kids have played together since 2nd grade...etc...I also assume they are on the black team because they have some lacrosse talent.

I am a TV parent and I can tell you at least from the 2021 class tryouts we had about 7 girls there. Can't speak to the other age groups. There are plenty of excellent lax players throughout the whole island which is why we have so many trainers and travel teams making money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

cliquey....if you did not have TV kids you would not win .

That's funny, they won for a few years before the 3V invasion. They actually looked weaker and less competitive against the top teams this past year than ever before. Some of the girls are very skilled, do you really believe that that many girls from one town really outshine the rest of the girls from the island? It is some political connection that has them there, which in the end is very bad for team chemistry, at least for the girls not from 3V.

Agreed. I believe team was more competitive 2 years ago then it was last year. too many from 1 town never a good thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

cliquey....if you did not have TV kids you would not win .

I am a 3V parent and someone is definitely stirring the pot. First of all, we never refer to ourselves as "TV" which is a huge clue someone else posted that. Secondly, we would never post something so obnoxious. Our wins were due to a team effort by all the girls on the team. Do not get sucked in by these post and i can assure you there is no connection to the Smith family. Each year the girls have to try out for their spots. Keep in mind that there are other 3V girls that have tried out in the past and made white or purple.

Look at the YJ how many of those girls are from Mt.Sinai? They must be all good players to make the top teams for TG & YJ seems like someone is very unhappy about their little darling not making it on Black. There are lot of good girls lax programs out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

cliquey....if you did not have TV kids you would not win .

I am a 3V parent and someone is definitely stirring the pot. First of all, we never refer to ourselves as "TV" which is a huge clue someone else posted that. Secondly, we would never post something so obnoxious. Our wins were due to a team effort by all the girls on the team. Do not get sucked in by these post and i can assure you there is no connection to the Smith family. Each year the girls have to try out for their spots. Keep in mind that there are other 3V girls that have tried out in the past and made white or purple.

When did 3V become such a hotbed for girls lacrosse? Their so called best player ever went onto a very average 4 years at ND .

And that is why you are a "tool" and you really just do not see the big picture in this whole lacrosse world....if my lacrosse skills somehow got me into ND and I got a degree from ND man I would be pretty happy. Maybe you do not know how difficult a college ND is to get into. The top 25% of kids accepted into ND have at least a combined SAT score (for critical reading & Math) of 1520 out of 1600. To any sane parent, getting their daughter into a school with academic standards as high as ND because they play lacrosse would be fantastic...and you are worried about "my town is better than your town" [lacrosse]...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

cliquey....if you did not have TV kids you would not win .

I am a 3V parent and someone is definitely stirring the pot. First of all, we never refer to ourselves as "TV" which is a huge clue someone else posted that. Secondly, we would never post something so obnoxious. Our wins were due to a team effort by all the girls on the team. Do not get sucked in by these post and i can assure you there is no connection to the Smith family. Each year the girls have to try out for their spots. Keep in mind that there are other 3V girls that have tried out in the past and made white or purple.

When did 3V become such a hotbed for girls lacrosse? Their so called best player ever went onto a very average 4 years at ND .

That's a ridiculous statement. Please don't turn this into a 3V thread...

Hey does anyone know how the teams will be made up this year either by grade or grade and birthdate I just saw a post for title 9 lacrosse and it said current fifth graders born after aug 1st 2002 would be 2021. My daughter just tried out for 2020 based on her grade but her birthdate would qualify her as 2021. Can she still play on 2020 or will they change that? Anyone with any information on this topic it would be greatly appreciated. What will happen now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do they expect a large turnout for their new teams for 2021? My daughter plans on trying out for this group and I am hoping its very competitive. Do they expect a smaller turnout because of the East Meadow soccer tournament?

I would expect them to easily field two teams at that age as they have in the past. This years 2020 group was very good but started out with many players who were on black 2019 the year before as well as some purple players. For this year I think there are several kids who played up a year, who will be sliding down to their own age. Several players played up for the purple team who should have a decent shot at black and I think there was one player on black 2020 who will be moving to 2021. All that said, the talent always seems to show up for this club for the first year. The TG may not host 5 teams for the age group, but they will put together a competitive black team.

Lots of movement from 2020 Black few from that team going over to YJ. Team tired one or two players going to goal mentality and real tired of the Huntington loud mouth daddys who just never shut up!

I'm pretty sure close to all the 2020 black girls were at try-outs! Therefore, not the huge
movement to YJ you seemed to think was going to happen! Also seemed to be some other girls with talent! Should only make that team better!

I would take ND in a heartbeat. Who ever is getting all over the TV girls have no clue. Thses girls work and train during the winter and not with TG. They are a good bunch of girls that love the sport and happen to be pretty good at it as well. You would love to have thses girls on your team because they would bring a new level that your kid is not used to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey does anyone know how the teams will be made up this year either by grade or grade and birthdate I just saw a post for title 9 lacrosse and it said current fifth graders born after aug 1st 2002 would be 2021. My daughter just tried out for 2020 based on her grade but her birthdate would qualify her as 2021. Can she still play on 2020 or will they change that? Anyone with any information on this topic it would be greatly appreciated. What will happen now?

TG fields teams by graduation year not birthdate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey does anyone know how the teams will be made up this year either by grade or grade and birthdate I just saw a post for title 9 lacrosse and it said current fifth graders born after aug 1st 2002 would be 2021. My daughter just tried out for 2020 based on her grade but her birthdate would qualify her as 2021. Can she still play on 2020 or will they change that? Anyone with any information on this topic it would be greatly appreciated. What will happen now?

TG fields teams by graduation year not birthdate.

It would actually be better if all LI clubs went by birthdate (like soccer and softball do) rather than graduation year as it would put us on equal terms with the MD clubs.
I mentioned this previously but it still annoys me, but not as much as the MD parents and their holier than thou attitude that made me actually root for the YJ against M&D Black!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would take ND in a heartbeat. Who ever is getting all over the TV girls have no clue. Thses girls work and train during the winter and not with TG. They are a good bunch of girls that love the sport and happen to be pretty good at it as well. You would love to have thses girls on your team because they would bring a new level that your kid is not used to.

Agreed, ND is a great school and if lax got her there, good for her.I would have to say that probably 90% of the girls on all these higher level club teams train hard over the winter. Someone complained they don't like the chemistry of the team because it was one town heavy, you can't then tell them and everyone else that they would love this to happen to their team. People seem to feel the girls are clique -y (I can't spell it either). Who would love to be left out of a clique? The cliques happen on many teams, not just town overloads. If it just a clique that exists off field, who cares, but often these things find their way on to the field, looking for each other, looking other girls away. That's where a good coach needs to recognize and step in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey does anyone know how the teams will be made up this year either by grade or grade and birthdate I just saw a post for title 9 lacrosse and it said current fifth graders born after aug 1st 2002 would be 2021. My daughter just tried out for 2020 based on her grade but her birthdate would qualify her as 2021. Can she still play on 2020 or will they change that? Anyone with any information on this topic it would be greatly appreciated. What will happen now?

TG fields teams by graduation year not birthdate.

It would actually be better if all LI clubs went by birthdate (like soccer and softball do) rather than graduation year as it would put us on equal terms with the MD clubs.
I mentioned this previously but it still annoys me, but not as much as the MD parents and their holier than thou attitude that made me actually root for the YJ against M&D Black!

I think US Lacrosse passed a rule that all youth lacrosse should go by birthdates similar to soccer two years ago. Problem with going by birthdates doesn't work for the college coaches. When they go to a game to recruit they want to know that every player they are watching will graduate in the same year so they can fill spots that they have opening on thier rosters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think US Lacrosse passed a rule that all youth lacrosse should go by birthdates similar to soccer two years ago. Problem with going by birthdates doesn't work for the college coaches. When they go to a game to recruit they want to know that every player they are watching will graduate in the same year so they can fill spots that they have opening on thier rosters.

When BOTC had our meetings with US Lacrosse about ten days back, their representatives were emphatic that they have made it clear to all of the regional members that birth date based groupings (U-age groups) are what has been recommended. To some extent, US Lacrosse was surprised that we even raised the issue since this discussion is already closed from their perspective.

Clubs that are not following the U-age model are not in step with what US Lacrosse has specifically recommended.

We also asked US Lacrosse representatives why they have gone to a 24-month age group window as opposed to mandating 12-month windows. BOTC was told that the New [lacrosse]/East Coach area could easily support a 12-month windows (every age group) however with the growth of the game limited in other areas of the country, using a 24-month window allows for the creation of more teams and tournaments elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

cliquey....if you did not have TV kids you would not win .

I am a 3V parent and someone is definitely stirring the pot. First of all, we never refer to ourselves as "TV" which is a huge clue someone else posted that. Secondly, we would never post something so obnoxious. Our wins were due to a team effort by all the girls on the team. Do not get sucked in by these post and i can assure you there is no connection to the Smith family. Each year the girls have to try out for their spots. Keep in mind that there are other 3V girls that have tried out in the past and made white or purple.

When did 3V become such a hotbed for girls lacrosse? Their so called best player ever went onto a very average 4 years at ND .

Stir the pot some more... Keep Hating. You are a fool.

Here is what "Average" looks like.

At Notre Dame

Four Year Starter.
Three Time All American.
Two Time Captain.

finished her career at Notre Dame:

first in games played (77), second in goals (162), seventh in points (188), fifth in ground balls (137), first in draw controls (165) and second in caused turnovers (113) ... selected to the preseason Tewaaraton Trophy Watch List.

Go back under the rock that you crawled out from.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

cliquey....if you did not have TV kids you would not win .

I am a 3V parent and someone is definitely stirring the pot. First of all, we never refer to ourselves as "TV" which is a huge clue someone else posted that. Secondly, we would never post something so obnoxious. Our wins were due to a team effort by all the girls on the team. Do not get sucked in by these post and i can assure you there is no connection to the Smith family. Each year the girls have to try out for their spots. Keep in mind that there are other 3V girls that have tried out in the past and made white or purple.

When did 3V become such a hotbed for girls lacrosse? Their so called best player ever went onto a very average 4 years at ND .

Stir the pot some more... Keep Hating. You are a fool.

Here is what "Average" looks like.

At Notre Dame

Four Year Starter.
Three Time All American.
Two Time Captain.

finished her career at Notre Dame:

first in games played (77), second in goals (162), seventh in points (188), fifth in ground balls (137), first in draw controls (165) and second in caused turnovers (113) ... selected to the preseason Tewaaraton Trophy Watch List.

Go back under the rock that you crawled out from.

After reading your reply I wonder if the original poster was being sarcastic or is really just a moron.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think US Lacrosse passed a rule that all youth lacrosse should go by birthdates similar to soccer two years ago. Problem with going by birthdates doesn't work for the college coaches. When they go to a game to recruit they want to know that every player they are watching will graduate in the same year so they can fill spots that they have opening on thier rosters.

When BOTC had our meetings with US Lacrosse about ten days back, their representatives were emphatic that they have made it clear to all of the regional members that birth date based groupings (U-age groups) are what has been recommended. To some extent, US Lacrosse was surprised that we even raised the issue since this discussion is already closed from their perspective.

Clubs that are not following the U-age model are not in step with what US Lacrosse has specifically recommended.

We also asked US Lacrosse representatives why they have gone to a 24-month age group window as opposed to mandating 12-month windows. BOTC was told that the New [lacrosse]/East Coach area could easily support a 12-month windows (every age group) however with the growth of the game limited in other areas of the country, using a 24-month window allows for the creation of more teams and tournaments elsewhere.

So, graduation year would be more likely to pit like age girls against one and other than what US Lax is proposing? US Lax cosistently baffles me with some of their actions/inaction.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, graduation year would be more likely to pit like age girls against one and other than what US Lax is proposing? US Lax cosistently baffles me with some of their actions/inaction.

US Lacrosse has been explicitly clear that they want tournaments and teams organized around U-age groups and has issued specific guidelines on the construction of those age groups for U/11, U/13, and U/15.

Graduation year and school grades are both EXACTLY what US Lacrosse wants to avoid. This will expunge all of the hold-back and left-back discussions and move to a birth date system. US Lacrosse wants the entire universe to move to birth date validation. College recruitment, showcases, and all related events sanctioned by US Lacrosse will be moving to this model.

To further underscore this point, US Lacrosse has told BOTC that all new player registrations will include birth date. This is precisely why US Lacrosse continues to press High School (Varsity/Junior Varsity) students to have their US Lacrosse registrations remain current.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, graduation year would be more likely to pit like age girls against one and other than what US Lax is proposing? US Lax cosistently baffles me with some of their actions/inaction.

US Lacrosse has been explicitly clear that they want tournaments and teams organized around U-age groups and has issued specific guidelines on the construction of those age groups for U/11, U/13, and U/15.

Graduation year and school grades are both EXACTLY what US Lacrosse wants to avoid. This will expunge all of the hold-back and left-back discussions and move to a birth date system. US Lacrosse wants the entire universe to move to birth date validation. College recruitment, showcases, and all related events sanctioned by US Lacrosse will be moving to this model.

To further underscore this point, US Lacrosse has told BOTC that all new player registrations will include birth date. This is precisely why US Lacrosse continues to press High School (Varsity/Junior Varsity) students to have their US Lacrosse registrations remain current.

One problem is on Long Island NCPAL does not want to go to the U age system

Sure as it extinguishes the hold back left back conversation it promotes a 24 month age gap.

At town and local tournaments this could be fine; but at top level tournaments this is a bigger issue. An issue that should not be, I cant believe that a team from Texas/Utah/Kentucky/Florida that currently fields a team wouldn't field a team if they kept it at a 12 month range. We all know that is false.

Instead these teams will be loaded with those as close to the date as possible. I understand when a date is picked there will always be someone older and younger but to span 24 months leaves me to think more foresight needs to be taken.

When do you think we'll hear about tryout results? Sunday night?

we found out yesterday. Our daughter made 2019 white.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

we found out yesterday. Our daughter made 2019 white.

Did they really start sending emails?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

we found out yesterday. Our daughter made 2019 white.

Did they really start sending emails?

No, that's somebody trying to be a bad comedian...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do you think we'll hear about tryout results? Sunday night?

Last year the emails started around 10 am on Sunday and the younger teams went out around 2 or 3 pm

They go by HS graduation year.

What's the word on why the 2018 Black players didn't try out for Top Guns this year? Was it just two girls or more?

2019 emails are out

2017 & 2018 emails out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 emails are out

2017 & 18 emails out 2 hours ago

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 emails are out

2017 went out last night too!

Is it worth it to play on the 2017 white team for the Top Guns? Or should a girl play on a "lesser" club's A or B team? Is there any movement potential between white, purple or black?

Received results last night

Question???

How many new girls if any were added to the 2017 Black?

uote=Anonymous]Received results last night [/quote]

How many teams for 2021?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it worth it to play on the 2017 white team for the Top Guns? Or should a girl play on a "lesser" club's A or B team? Is there any movement potential between white, purple or black?

Tough decision. There is definitely movement between the teams. We have been with TG for 4 years and some years there is more movement than others. The important thing for your daughter is exposure this year if she wants to continue playing at college level. Doesn't matter is she is on 2nd or 3rd team if she is still getting exposure. Also have to consider the overall organization and what kind of networking they have. Good luck with your decision.

how about 2020 ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Is it worth it to play on the 2017 white team for the Top Guns? Or should a girl play on a "lesser" club's A or B team? Is there any movement potential between white, purple or black?

Difficult question ... four-part answer:

1. From my perspective, YJ and TG were the only local clubs with multiple quality 2018 teams this Summer. For other clubs, there is a free fall in talent from "A" to "B".

2. When our daughter made 2018 White last year, we were concerned about skill level and "money team" issues. We are happy with the experience. The coaching was very good, and our daughter's lax skills visibly improved.

3. There is movement between teams. At least two girls from 2018 White made 2018 Black this year. Last year, five or six girls from Purple moved to Black.

4. I would seriously consider TG. If you try out for other clubs, evaluate the organization of the tryout and the skill-level of the kids. Compare / contrast to TG tryouts to help you decide.

Cheers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question???

How many new girls if any were added to the 2017 Black?

uote=Anonymous]Received results last night

[/quote]

No changes to team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it worth it to play on the 2017 white team for the Top Guns? Or should a girl play on a "lesser" club's A or B team? Is there any movement potential between white, purple or black?

I think you should have her tryout for other clubs, Elevate is a great team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how about 2020 ?

went out last night too

and today

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how about 2020 ?

went out last night too

Word is 20 black has at least one new player

If two girls went from white to black then its obvious last year was not a fair tryout. Political that they didn't even get purple. Purple must get grandfathered in. They can only move up or stay put. This is so easy to figure out. Now there's room on black so up the two whites go bypassing purple. Strange organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how about 2020 ?

went out last night too

Word is 20 black has at least one new player

There was at least one spot to be filled as there was one 2021 player dropping to own age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If two girls went from white to black then its obvious last year was not a fair tryout. Political that they didn't even get purple. Purple must get grandfathered in. They can only move up or stay put. This is so easy to figure out. Now there's room on black so up the two whites go bypassing purple. Strange organization.

Who said the teams were A, B, and C level? If you were there, you would know that they weren't. They were and A and two B's, so it's easy to see 2 kids going to black. Also, kids change a lot, over the course of a year, especially at this age, where some start developing, etc. It doesn't mean anyone's grandfathered in. And if someone was, do you think that doesn't happen in every organization? If that's what you think, you're really out of the loop! There are other factors too - positions, work ethic, coachability, future potential, PARENT BEHAVIOR, Calm down with the conspiracy and politics stuff. At 2017, kids moved up, down, and out. Every team is different, and nobody on here has all the facts...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If two girls went from white to black then its obvious last year was not a fair tryout. Political that they didn't even get purple. Purple must get grandfathered in. They can only move up or stay put. This is so easy to figure out. Now there's room on black so up the two whites go bypassing purple. Strange organization.

Don't believe everything you read on this site. Call BS if you want the facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If two girls went from white to black then its obvious last year was not a fair tryout. Political that they didn't even get purple. Purple must get grandfathered in. They can only move up or stay put. This is so easy to figure out. Now there's room on black so up the two whites go bypassing purple. Strange organization.

Why so strange? Guess they performed well at the tryout. Not hard to figure out, not politics just perform

Including you. I agree with previous poster. White a weak team. Weakest brackets in tournaments it seemed like. You can sugar coat it anyway you want that it's a second B team but its C. As far as grandfathered in I don't know but it's interesting

Any idea which clubs are all
Girls clubs. I know YJ and TG and library are. Anyone else

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it worth it to play on the 2017 white team for the Top Guns? Or should a girl play on a "lesser" club's A or B team? Is there any movement potential between white, purple or black?

I think you should have her tryout for other clubs, Elevate is a great team.

Agree, 2017 hasn't been a particularly strong age for TG, can't imagine a 3rd team would be very competitive. I'd look for a one or two somewhere else and try-out again next year and see if I can land on #1 or #2.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Including you. I agree with previous poster. White a weak team. Weakest brackets in tournaments it seemed like. You can sugar coat it anyway you want that it's a second B team but its C. As far as grandfathered in I don't know but it's interesting

Was your daughter on 2018 White?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it worth it to play on the 2017 white team for the Top Guns? Or should a girl play on a "lesser" club's A or B team? Is there any movement potential between white, purple or black?

I think you should have her tryout for other clubs, Elevate is a great team.

Agree, 2017 hasn't been a particularly strong age for TG, can't imagine a 3rd team would be very competitive. I'd look for a one or two somewhere else and try-out again next year and see if I can land on #1 or #2.

Not sure what you consider strong, but 2017 Black only lost 3 games all season. Lost to M&D 8-5 (competitive game), Skywalkers B 6-5 (competitive game) and Elevate, which they then went on to beat in another tournament. I would say pretty strong team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it worth it to play on the 2017 white team for the Top Guns? Or should a girl play on a "lesser" club's A or B team? Is there any movement potential between white, purple or black?

I think you should have her tryout for other clubs, Elevate is a great team.

Agree, 2017 hasn't been a particularly strong age for TG, can't imagine a 3rd team would be very competitive. I'd look for a one or two somewhere else and try-out again next year and see if I can land on #1 or #2.

With 2017 being weak, they have little or no chance at repeating as notional champs next year. They may be able to draw some players up from 18, but that age group is a train reck as well

Weak or disorganized?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With 2017 being weak, they have little or no chance at repeating as notional champs next year. They may be able to draw some players up from 18, but that age group is a train reck as well

While national championships are nice, the goal of these clubs is to improve one's skills.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it worth it to play on the 2017 white team for the Top Guns? Or should a girl play on a "lesser" club's A or B team? Is there any movement potential between white, purple or black?

I think you should have her tryout for other clubs, Elevate is a great team.

Agree, 2017 hasn't been a particularly strong age for TG, can't imagine a 3rd team would be very competitive. I'd look for a one or two somewhere else and try-out again next year and see if I can land on #1 or #2.

Not sure what you consider strong, but 2017 Black only lost 3 games all season. Lost to M&D 8-5 (competitive game), Skywalkers B 6-5 (competitive game) and Elevate, which they then went on to beat in another tournament. I would say pretty strong team.

Thanks for the clarification. We were wondering how they did this past summer. They may not be the best, but I'd say that's a pretty good season. Good for them!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it worth it to play on the 2017 white team for the Top Guns? Or should a girl play on a "lesser" club's A or B team? Is there any movement potential between white, purple or black?

I think you should have her tryout for other clubs, Elevate is a great team.

Agree, 2017 hasn't been a particularly strong age for TG, can't imagine a 3rd team would be very competitive. I'd look for a one or two somewhere else and try-out again next year and see if I can land on #1 or #2.

With 2017 being weak, they have little or no chance at repeating as notional champs next year. They may be able to draw some players up from 18, but that age group is a train reck as well

2017 Purple played all of the mst challenging teams in every tournament, and won. I think even BS would agree that one team is not stronger than the other. Not sure what the alent pool will be on the white team but there was plenty to chose from at tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any idea which clubs are all
Girls clubs. I know YJ and TG and library are. Anyone else

Title 9, Beach Bums, SC All-Stars, Adrenaline to name a few.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any idea which clubs are all
Girls clubs. I know YJ and TG and library are. Anyone else

Title 9, Beach Bums, SC All-Stars, Adrenaline to name a few.

Team Elevate is all girls.

Thank you. A decent amount

Just curious, why did you state that 2017 and 2018 are "train Wrecks?" Are they poorly coached; lack of talent; politics; chemistry of the players? I always thought TG 2017 and 2018 were fairly strong teams. Not as strong as YJ, but fairly strong.

If you attended the 2017 tryouts , it was pretty clear the new talent that showed up. The turnout was huge. My daughter is on black & I myself was nervous for her & the others that have been together for years that they might be bumped. The black & purple had little to no movement so all these new really talented girls will form the white team. You never know , that might just be the better team & that is great. It does not matter if u are on team A,B,C,D the difference may be 2-3 girls who are exceptional . The fact is when they play against each other it is only a 1 goal difference. My oldest was on purple & received a better scholarship than her friends on black.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you attended the 2017 tryouts , it was pretty clear the new talent that showed up. The turnout was huge. My daughter is on black & I myself was nervous for her & the others that have been together for years that they might be bumped. The black & purple had little to no movement so all these new really talented girls will form the white team. You never know , that might just be the better team & that is great. It does not matter if u are on team A,B,C,D the difference may be 2-3 girls who are exceptional . The fact is when they play against each other it is only a 1 goal difference. My oldest was on purple & received a better scholarship than her friends on black.

Not true, there was movement to both teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious, why did you state that 2017 and 2018 are "train Wrecks?" Are they poorly coached; lack of talent; politics; chemistry of the players? I always thought TG 2017 and 2018 were fairly strong teams. Not as strong as YJ, but fairly strong.

I think sour grapes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you attended the 2017 tryouts , it was pretty clear the new talent that showed up. The turnout was huge. My daughter is on black & I myself was nervous for her & the others that have been together for years that they might be bumped. The black & purple had little to no movement so all these new really talented girls will form the white team. You never know , that might just be the better team & that is great. It does not matter if u are on team A,B,C,D the difference may be 2-3 girls who are exceptional . The fact is when they play against each other it is only a 1 goal difference. My oldest was on purple & received a better scholarship than her friends on black.

I was at the 2017 tryouts, and there was definitely a lot of solid, new talent - Elevate, YJ, Syosset, Wantagh, Bay Shore. Even though they added a 3rd team, there will still be about 20 girls not getting offers. If it was all about the money, they could've made 4 teams. Our daughter is on purple, and we weren't nervous, until we got to the tryouts. She made purple, but there will be about 8-9 new faces, including a very good goalie. A couple girls decided not to play travel lax, a few moved to white, and 1 moved to black. Some of the new players definitely got offers for white, as you said - I'm sure TG is trying to build strong purple and white teams, based on the moves/offers being made. Should be a very interesting, competitive year. Good luck to all the girls!

I agree. I was at the tryouts and could not believe how many girls showed up who really stepped up. These girls were probably better or even equal to the black players. BS would of had to cut half the black and purple teams if he didn't form the white team. The majority of parents there felt the same. This white team is going to be strong. I wish my daughter who is on purple would actually play for the white. There is no difference just that the Black & Purple have been together and sometimes if you just keep the players bc they have been on isn't a good thing. There are girls who should not be there!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you attended the 2017 tryouts , it was pretty clear the new talent that showed up. The turnout was huge. My daughter is on black & I myself was nervous for her & the others that have been together for years that they might be bumped. The black & purple had little to no movement so all these new really talented girls will form the white team. You never know , that might just be the better team & that is great. It does not matter if u are on team A,B,C,D the difference may be 2-3 girls who are exceptional . The fact is when they play against each other it is only a 1 goal difference. My oldest was on purple & received a better scholarship than her friends on black.

So of my daughter did not get an email, am I to assume she did not make the 2017 team?

That's the way they do it - no email "thanks for trying out". I think they could find a more considerate way to let girls know they haven't made the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you attended the 2017 tryouts , it was pretty clear the new talent that showed up. The turnout was huge. My daughter is on black & I myself was nervous for her & the others that have been together for years that they might be bumped. The black & purple had little to no movement so all these new really talented girls will form the white team. You never know , that might just be the better team & that is great. It does not matter if u are on team A,B,C,D the difference may be 2-3 girls who are exceptional . The fact is when they play against each other it is only a 1 goal difference. My oldest was on purple & received a better scholarship than her friends on black.

So of my daughter did not get an email, am I to assume she did not make the 2017 team?

Hang tight till next weekend..... Your daughter may be on the wait list . If a girl was moved from black or purple to purple or white they hold a roster spot on the team they have been moved to. Sometimes the player doesn't accept the spot. So if a black player was moved to purple and decides to leave TG for another program the top player from white gets moved to purple and the next highest rated player from the wait list gets offered white. This is the same spot my daughter was in two years ago and was placed on purple and she has developed as a player and has offers from two colleges . Hang tight your daughter may get a spot after all.

Does anyone know if the Long Island Top Guns sent emails for 2020
tryouts yet?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it worth it to play on the 2017 white team for the Top Guns? Or should a girl play on a "lesser" club's A or B team? Is there any movement potential between white, purple or black?

I think you should have her tryout for other clubs, Elevate is a great team.

Agree, 2017 hasn't been a particularly strong age for TG, can't imagine a 3rd team would be very competitive. I'd look for a one or two somewhere else and try-out again next year and see if I can land on #1 or #2.

Not sure what you consider strong, but 2017 Black only lost 3 games all season. Lost to M&D 8-5 (competitive game), Skywalkers B 6-5 (competitive game) and Elevate, which they then went on to beat in another tournament. I would say pretty strong team.

Who did they beat?

you might want to check your spam mail as our daughter's e-mail was found in there after many tears!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know if the Long Island Top Guns sent emails for 2020
tryouts yet?

Didn't try out, but post #39801 said they did send them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you attended the 2017 tryouts , it was pretty clear the new talent that showed up. The turnout was huge. My daughter is on black & I myself was nervous for her & the others that have been together for years that they might be bumped. The black & purple had little to no movement so all these new really talented girls will form the white team. You never know , that might just be the better team & that is great. It does not matter if u are on team A,B,C,D the difference may be 2-3 girls who are exceptional . The fact is when they play against each other it is only a 1 goal difference. My oldest was on purple & received a better scholarship than her friends on black.

Imagine how the selections would have turned out if the rumored plan of being a hs coach panned out. White, yes you could be a strong team, but unless you get promises and specific calls from SS or BS of the plans, stay where you are. Better yet, get the town together. The more you can play with your HS teammates the better off you will be. Ask the older girls from your HS who play Travel with their HS friends and teammats. Ask the parents of the older girls. Then make your selection.

Yeah. Seems to me that white feeds black and purple is stagnant. Another person stated something similar how whites move right to black. This is a little bizarre but maybe great strategy. Or tryouts are just to register kids and not for placement which maybe happens after seeing them perform during tourney season. Don't know. Just guessing but you are right on about the new talent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah. Seems to me that white feeds black and purple is stagnant. Another person stated something similar how whites move right to black. This is a little bizarre but maybe great strategy. Or tryouts are just to register kids and not for placement which maybe happens after seeing them perform during tourney season. Don't know. Just guessing but you are right on about the new talent

Incorrect. 2017 Purple will have many changes this year.

Tryouts were a farce. Politics play big role...

I was happy with the tryouts and the team that my daughter made.

If you are not happy, go to another team or start your own team / club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah. Seems to me that white feeds black and purple is stagnant. Another person stated something similar how whites move right to black. This is a little bizarre but maybe great strategy. Or tryouts are just to register kids and not for placement which maybe happens after seeing them perform during tourney season. Don't know. Just guessing but you are right on about the new talent

Incorrect. 2017 Purple will have many changes this year.

IF the new girls accept the spots.

2017 tied Skywalkers A

Honest Bottom Line YJ 2017 Blue 1 one of the best teams around. good talent athletic girls, plenty of instruction. This does not mean another LI team can not beat them on any given day, but they are consistent. Next YJ teams and TG teams are in the mix with each other. There has been movement on the TG 17 purple team and as for placement on white. If you were at the tryout you should agree there was not a single girl who shinned above the masses. So if a program is willing to look at a girls play during the season and move them thats what every parent should want. This is instead of the alternative of determining fate based on 2 hour tryout. I personally know a good player (new) placed on white that didn't stand as she could out but the general athleticism and talent was obviously noted

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah. Seems to me that white feeds black and purple is stagnant. Another person stated something similar how whites move right to black. This is a little bizarre but maybe great strategy. Or tryouts are just to register kids and not for placement which maybe happens after seeing them perform during tourney season. Don't know. Just guessing but you are right on about the new talent

Incorrect. 2017 Purple will have many changes this year.

IF the new girls accept the spots.

There will be changes on purple. Already know of a few accepting the offer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts were a farce. Politics play big role...

Sorry your daughter didn't make it. Hopefully, she'll enjoy YJ 3rd or 4th team. There are some good players and coaches there too.

Elevate is all girls

Originally Posted by Laxmax1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it worth it to play on the 2017 white team for the Top Guns? Or should a girl play on a "lesser" club's A or B team? Is there any movement potential between white, purple or black?

I think you should have her tryout for other clubs, Elevate is a great team.

Agree, 2017 hasn't been a particularly strong age for TG, can't imagine a 3rd team would be very competitive. I'd look for a one or two somewhere else and try-out again next year and see if I can land on #1 or #2.

Not sure what you consider strong, but 2017 Black only lost 3 games all season. Lost to M&D 8-5 (competitive game), Skywalkers B 6-5 (competitive game) and Elevate, which they then went on to beat in another tournament. I would say pretty strong team.

Thanks for the clarification. We were wondering how they did this past summer. They
may not be the best, but I'd say that's a pretty good season. Good for them!

This seems just like all the age groups in the TG club, competitive but usually a step behind M&D and Skywalkers.

Based on what I saw at tryouts, and what I've heard, so far, the white team has a chance to be very solid, if the strong players accept. If your daughter was picked for white, and you're not sure what to do, I suggest you give BS a call, and talk to him about the team, and let him know your concerns or questions. I think he'll be honest with you, and might help you make a decision.

How many girls were moved from black to purple?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts were a farce. Politics play big role...

Sorry your daughter didn't make it. Hopefully, she'll enjoy YJ 3rd or 4th team. There are some good players and coaches there too.

Lets be honest in the 2 "big" clubs politics has a huge role in team selection, if your the obnoxious parent saying it's sour grapes and try another team, your probably the one with your head the furthest up the coordinators a#$

I think if there are questions regarding the White team. Which there is, it would speak volumes for BS to call the top girls and make sure their families understand what they are trying to do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on what I saw at tryouts, and what I've heard, so far, the white team has a chance to be very solid, if the strong players accept. If your daughter was picked for white, and you're not sure what to do, I suggest you give BS a call, and talk to him about the team, and let him know your concerns or questions. I think he'll be honest with you, and might help you make a decision.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts were a farce. Politics play big role...

Sorry your daughter didn't make it. Hopefully, she'll enjoy YJ 3rd or 4th team. There are some good players and coaches there too.

Lets be honest in the 2 "big" clubs politics has a huge role in team selection, if your the obnoxious parent saying it's sour grapes and try another team, your probably the one with your head the furthest up the coordinators a#$

Politics in every club, not just the 2 big programs. If you know that, then you shouldn't have been surprised...the top players are immune to the politics. It's the borderline ones who are affected most, just like in real life, outside of lacrosse...what do you expect people to say, when you say tryouts were a farce? Of course they'll say sour grapes, and go try another team...most who don't make the team they wanted do go to YJ

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on what I saw at tryouts, and what I've heard, so far, the white team has a chance to be very solid, if the strong players accept. If your daughter was picked for white, and you're not sure what to do, I suggest you give BS a call, and talk to him about the team, and let him know your concerns or questions. I think he'll be honest with you, and might help you make a decision.

a lot of this sounds like the re-naming of the YJ teams a few years back

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts were a farce. Politics play big role...

Sorry your daughter didn't make it. Hopefully, she'll enjoy YJ 3rd or 4th team. There are some good players and coaches there too.

Lets be honest in the 2 "big" clubs politics has a huge role in team selection, if your the obnoxious parent saying it's sour grapes and try another team, your probably the one with your head the furthest up the coordinators a#$

VERY TRUE!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts were a farce. Politics play big role...

Sorry your daughter didn't make it. Hopefully, she'll enjoy YJ 3rd or 4th team. There are some good players and coaches there too.

It's obvious at the 2019 level that 2 of the fathers are very friendly with the owners and pushed to get their town kids on the Black team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts were a farce. Politics play big role...

Sorry your daughter didn't make it. Hopefully, she'll enjoy YJ 3rd or 4th team. There are some good players and coaches there too.

It's obvious at the 2019 level that 2 of the fathers are very friendly with the owners and pushed to get their town kids on the Black team.

Seems like the 3V kids get the benefit of the doubt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts were a farce. Politics play big role...

Sorry your daughter didn't make it. Hopefully, she'll enjoy YJ 3rd or 4th team. There are some good players and coaches there too.

It's obvious at the 2019 level that 2 of the fathers are very friendly with the owners and pushed to get their town kids on the Black team.

Seems like the 3V kids get the benefit of the doubt.

Waaaaahhh

What town would that be?

Does anyone realize that these are 12 year old girls who want to play lacrosee. They come to tryouts and do their best. The evaluators score them and decisions are made.
It is so obtuse and in such ill faith that PARENTS come on this site and try to detract from the validity of the tryouts and the talent, skill sets, and character of these girls by making it about politics or towns or tearing down the skills of particular girls.
Top Guns is trying to build a program and a brand. They have come very far in 4 short years and the U15 win added a great deal of credibility to the program and the direction it is going. Hats off to Shannon and her family and all the coaches.
Please do not turn these threads into a divisive forum that attacks certain towns or the girls.
Please take the high road and support the club you make the check out to and stay together as a Top Guns Unit. Resist the urge to demonstrate the bickering, hating, or jealousies of other clubs. Be a class act, the play on the field will speak for itself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts were a farce. Politics play big role...

Sorry your daughter didn't make it. Hopefully, she'll enjoy YJ 3rd or 4th team. There are some good players and coaches there too.

It's obvious at the 2019 level that 2 of the fathers are very friendly with the owners and pushed to get their town kids on the Black team.

Seems like the 3V kids get the benefit of the doubt.

On 2019 too?

Really because there were 3V girls at 2019 tryout that did not make either Black or Purple...

I agree that the white 2017 team is going to be very strong. As a high school boys varsity coach I was at tryouts with my daughter. I could not believe the large turnout of new players. They were very athletic. Lets face it , 9 th grade is when it starts to matter so that is why all these girls who probably have played multiple sports now have to decide to choose, so they show up at tryouts. There were so many strong players B.S. had to make another team. There's no way he could of turned down all the new talent. If you are concerned that this team is going to be the weak link , don't be . My daughter who has been a varsity lax player since 8 th grade made the purple team & I asked for her to be put on white. New team with new talent.

are you speaking about 19 black and 3v?

No, TG Black 2017 lost by 1 then got crushed at The Grind by the same Skywalker Blue 2017 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, TG Black 2017 lost by 1 then got crushed at The Grind by the same Skywalker Blue 2017 team.

Skywalkers 2017 Blue was probably only the 4th best 2017 team in MD. M&D, Hero's and TLC were all better last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone realize that these are 12 year old girls who want to play lacrosee. They come to tryouts and do their best. The evaluators score them and decisions are made.
It is so obtuse and in such ill faith that PARENTS come on this site and try to detract from the validity of the tryouts and the talent, skill sets, and character of these girls by making it about politics or towns or tearing down the skills of particular girls.
Top Guns is trying to build a program and a brand. They have come very far in 4 short years and the U15 win added a great deal of credibility to the program and the direction it is going. Hats off to Shannon and her family and all the coaches.
Please do not turn these threads into a divisive forum that attacks certain towns or the girls.
Please take the high road and support the club you make the check out to and stay together as a Top Guns Unit. Resist the urge to demonstrate the bickering, hating, or jealousies of other clubs. Be a class act, the play on the field will speak for itself.

So says the 3V parent. Stop acting as if TG is not full of politics as are most travel sports clubs.Surprised you did not sign your name to gain brownie points .In a perfect world the kids ability would be the only thing that determines what team they play on but sadly this is not the case.Stop being delusional with the 2017 white team being very strong, the black team is good but not near the top .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that the white 2017 team is going to be very strong. As a high school boys varsity coach I was at tryouts with my daughter. I could not believe the large turnout of new players. They were very athletic. Lets face it , 9 th grade is when it starts to matter so that is why all these girls who probably have played multiple sports now have to decide to choose, so they show up at tryouts. There were so many strong players B.S. had to make another team. There's no way he could of turned down all the new talent. If you are concerned that this team is going to be the weak link , don't be . My daughter who has been a varsity lax player since 8 th grade made the purple team & I asked for her to be put on white. New team with new talent.

Going by last year and the first age group to expand to white, they do spread the talent out well, what may seem like politics to some may actually be a part of the plan to keep a reasonable amount of talent spread throughout the teams instead of leaving the purple and white teams for dead. Taking my kid out of this equation, there are many players who would be obvious candidates to move a team up or a team down, while politics may come into play, this seems a great way to deal with the load of kids who show up for tryouts. The first year or two the purple teams struggled hard, 2018 was the first age group to go to white and it turned out to be a decent team. I know you will see tons of the higher team parents on here crying about my next comment, black was barely better than purple who was barely better than white. For each step there was an increase in talent just as there should be, but again TG did a nice job of spreading the talent out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that the white 2017 team is going to be very strong. As a high school boys varsity coach I was at tryouts with my daughter. I could not believe the large turnout of new players. They were very athletic. Lets face it , 9 th grade is when it starts to matter so that is why all these girls who probably have played multiple sports now have to decide to choose, so they show up at tryouts. There were so many strong players B.S. had to make another team. There's no way he could of turned down all the new talent. If you are concerned that this team is going to be the weak link , don't be . My daughter who has been a varsity lax player since 8 th grade made the purple team & I asked for her to be put on white. New team with new talent.

What did BS say when you asked for her to be moved to white? Where did she play last summer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that the white 2017 team is going to be very strong. As a high school boys varsity coach I was at tryouts with my daughter. I could not believe the large turnout of new players. They were very athletic. Lets face it , 9 th grade is when it starts to matter so that is why all these girls who probably have played multiple sports now have to decide to choose, so they show up at tryouts. There were so many strong players B.S. had to make another team. There's no way he could of turned down all the new talent. If you are concerned that this team is going to be the weak link , don't be . My daughter who has been a varsity lax player since 8 th grade made the purple team & I asked for her to be put on white. New team with new talent.

Going by last year and the first age group to expand to white, they do spread the talent out well, what may seem like politics to some may actually be a part of the plan to keep a reasonable amount of talent spread throughout the teams instead of leaving the purple and white teams for dead. Taking my kid out of this equation, there are many players who would be obvious candidates to move a team up or a team down, while politics may come into play, this seems a great way to deal with the load of kids who show up for tryouts. The first year or two the purple teams struggled hard, 2018 was the first age group to go to white and it turned out to be a decent team. I know you will see tons of the higher team parents on here crying about my next comment, black was barely better than purple who was barely better than white. For each step there was an increase in talent just as there should be, but again TG did a nice job of spreading the talent out.

Exactly...I'm sure that's what they're planning for 2017 too

hats off to you, you said it well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that the white 2017 team is going to be very strong. As a high school boys varsity coach I was at tryouts with my daughter. I could not believe the large turnout of new players. They were very athletic. Lets face it , 9 th grade is when it starts to matter so that is why all these girls who probably have played multiple sports now have to decide to choose, so they show up at tryouts. There were so many strong players B.S. had to make another team. There's no way he could of turned down all the new talent. If you are concerned that this team is going to be the weak link , don't be . My daughter who has been a varsity lax player since 8 th grade made the purple team & I asked for her to be put on white. New team with new talent.

Going by last year and the first age group to expand to white, they do spread the talent out well, what may seem like politics to some may actually be a part of the plan to keep a reasonable amount of talent spread throughout the teams instead of leaving the purple and white teams for dead. Taking my kid out of this equation, there are many players who would be obvious candidates to move a team up or a team down, while politics may come into play, this seems a great way to deal with the load of kids who show up for tryouts. The first year or two the purple teams struggled hard, 2018 was the first age group to go to white and it turned out to be a decent team. I know you will see tons of the higher team parents on here crying about my next comment, black was barely better than purple who was barely better than white. For each step there was an increase in talent just as there should be, but again TG did a nice job of spreading the talent out.

Exactly...I'm sure that's what they're planning for 2017 too

Are you serious? Then why have a tryout. Black is black and that's that. The purple and white teams are not competitive, just money makers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that the white 2017 team is going to be very strong. As a high school boys varsity coach I was at tryouts with my daughter. I could not believe the large turnout of new players. They were very athletic. Lets face it , 9 th grade is when it starts to matter so that is why all these girls who probably have played multiple sports now have to decide to choose, so they show up at tryouts. There were so many strong players B.S. had to make another team. There's no way he could of turned down all the new talent. If you are concerned that this team is going to be the weak link , don't be . My daughter who has been a varsity lax player since 8 th grade made the purple team & I asked for her to be put on white. New team with new talent.

Going by last year and the first age group to expand to white, they do spread the talent out well, what may seem like politics to some may actually be a part of the plan to keep a reasonable amount of talent spread throughout the teams instead of leaving the purple and white teams for dead. Taking my kid out of this equation, there are many players who would be obvious candidates to move a team up or a team down, while politics may come into play, this seems a great way to deal with the load of kids who show up for tryouts. The first year or two the purple teams struggled hard, 2018 was the first age group to go to white and it turned out to be a decent team. I know you will see tons of the higher team parents on here crying about my next comment, black was barely better than purple who was barely better than white. For each step there was an increase in talent just as there should be, but again TG did a nice job of spreading the talent out.

Exactly...I'm sure that's what they're planning for 2017 too

Are you serious? Then why have a tryout. Black is black and that's that. The purple and white teams are not competitive, just money makers.

Are you serious? Why have a tryout? That's how you get the best players on black, the next level players on purple & white, and cut the rest free to try somewhere else. As far as being competitive, it depends on who you're comparing them to. No, purple & white aren't black...nobody said they were. That had to be one of the dumbest posts I've seen in a while. I guess it was just to stir things up....

I agree 100%. My daughter is on TG black and the purple team is probably a better team in her age bracket. I .find it very sad that some of the over the top parents feel that there kid has to be on black. Give me a break.!! My daughters friends play on YJ teams 3&4 and they both got 3/4 rides to D1 schools. So again it doesn't matter which team you end up on , be proud that your child made a team . They are all equally strong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that the white 2017 team is going to be very strong. As a high school boys varsity coach I was at tryouts with my daughter. I could not believe the large turnout of new players. They were very athletic. Lets face it , 9 th grade is when it starts to matter so that is why all these girls who probably have played multiple sports now have to decide to choose, so they show up at tryouts. There were so many strong players B.S. had to make another team. There's no way he could of turned down all the new talent. If you are concerned that this team is going to be the weak link , don't be . My daughter who has been a varsity lax player since 8 th grade made the purple team & I asked for her to be put on white. New team with new talent.

Going by last year and the first age group to expand to white, they do spread the talent out well, what may seem like politics to some may actually be a part of the plan to keep a reasonable amount of talent spread throughout the teams instead of leaving the purple and white teams for dead. Taking my kid out of this equation, there are many players who would be obvious candidates to move a team up or a team down, while politics may come into play, this seems a great way to deal with the load of kids who show up for tryouts. The first year or two the purple teams struggled hard, 2018 was the first age group to go to white and it turned out to be a decent team. I know you will see tons of the higher team parents on here crying about my next comment, black was barely better than purple who was barely better than white. For each step there was an increase in talent just as there should be, but again TG did a nice job of spreading the talent out.

Exactly...I'm sure that's what they're planning for 2017 too

Are you serious? Then why have a tryout. Black is black and that's that. The purple and white teams are not competitive, just money makers.

Really, common man, they are 13 going on 14. Don't think that black is the end all?........pleaseeeeee

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I agree that the white 2017 team is going to be very strong. As a high school boys varsity coach I was at tryouts with my daughter. I could not believe the large turnout of new players. They were very athletic. Lets face it , 9 th grade is when it starts to matter so that is why all these girls who probably have played multiple sports now have to decide to choose, so they show up at tryouts. There were so many strong players B.S. had to make another team. There's no way he could of turned down all the new talent. If you are concerned that this team is going to be the weak link , don't be . My daughter who has been a varsity lax player since 8 th grade made the purple team & I asked for her to be put on white. New team with new talent. [/quo

Going by last year and the first age group to expand to white, they do spread the talent out well, what may seem like politics to some may actually be a part of the plan to keep a reasonable amount of talent spread throughout the teams instead of leaving the purple and white teams for dead. Taking my kid out of this equation, there are many players who would be obvious candidates to move a team up or a team down, while politics may come into play, this seems a great way to deal with the load of kids who show up for tryouts. The first year or two the purple teams struggled hard, 2018 was the first age group to go to white and it turned out to be a decent team. I know you will see tons of the higher team parents on here crying about my next comment, black was barely better than purple who was barely better than white. For each step there was an increase in talent just as there should be, but again TG did a nice job of spreading the talent out.

Exactly...I'm sure that's what they're planning for 2017 too

Are you serious? Then why have a tryout. Black is black and that's that. The purple and white teams are not competitive, just money makers.

You are a tool. Purple played tougher teams and had the same record as black, their loses were always within 3 goals. Try and keep track this year and get back to us next August. Until then, let thevgirls play, let the coaches coach and be nice. Niceness counts

They do not nor will they ever try to divide the talent on the teams equally. If you did that then the black team would not be competitive with other clubs top teams.Further it would not be fair to the better players who get put on purple or white.If you think college coaches do not care what team you play on because "they recruit individuals not teams" you would be misguided in that they are more likely to show interest in you when your resume says black player.I hope the white team is better than most other clubs 3 team but stop with the barely less than the black team, its just not the case. Have your kid work hard and they will eventually get moved up if the deserve it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They do not nor will they ever try to divide the talent on the teams equally. If you did that then the black team would not be competitive with other clubs top teams.Further it would not be fair to the better players who get put on purple or white.If you think college coaches do not care what team you play on because "they recruit individuals not teams" you would be misguided in that they are more likely to show interest in you when your resume says black player.I hope the white team is better than most other clubs 3 team but stop with the barely less than the black team, its just not the case. Have your kid work hard and they will eventually get moved up if the deserve it.

I don't remember anyone saying they divide the talent equally among all 3 teams, but if they did, that's incorrect. However, a few people, who seem to be involved in white and purple teams, correctly pointed out that the talent between white and purple may be similar. After they fill the black team, with whoever they think are the BEST players, they'll attempt to field two competitive teams, with purple and white. They're looking for an A, and two B's, not A, B, and C.

Heard that they take the top 3 players for black and then balance out the purple team with the rest of the players? Doesn't sound right to me either as you would not be as competitive a team if you do that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree 100%. My daughter is on TG black and the purple team is probably a better team in her age bracket. I .find it very sad that some of the over the top parents feel that there kid has to be on black. Give me a break.!! My daughters friends play on YJ teams 3&4 and they both got 3/4 rides to D1 schools. So again it doesn't matter which team you end up on , be proud that your child made a team . They are all equally strong.

3/4 rides for girls on the 3rd and 4th team - complete BS? 3/4 Rides are extremely rare. Did these girls get financial aid packages? Maybe. But they did not get rides or scholarships. That is just a parent making themselves feel better by telling you their daughter got a 3/4 ride.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They do not nor will they ever try to divide the talent on the teams equally. If you did that then the black team would not be competitive with other clubs top teams.Further it would not be fair to the better players who get put on purple or white.If you think college coaches do not care what team you play on because "they recruit individuals not teams" you would be misguided in that they are more likely to show interest in you when your resume says black player.I hope the white team is better than most other clubs 3 team but stop with the barely less than the black team, its just not the case. Have your kid work hard and they will eventually get moved up if the deserve it.

I don't remember anyone saying they divide the talent equally among all 3 teams, but if they did, that's incorrect. However, a few people, who seem to be involved in white and purple teams, correctly pointed out that the talent between white and purple may be similar. After they fill the black team, with whoever they think are the BEST players, they'll attempt to field two competitive teams, with purple and white. They're looking for an A, and two B's, not A, B, and C.

No way is the talent equally divided among the three. But no way is it the top 24 players on black, then next best 24 on purple and so on. The black team could easily be made better by trading out bottom 1/3 with white and purple. That is the point, they have left a good amount of talent on the other teams which is great. If you think every player on black is better than all the kids on the other two teams you are clueless. Every team needs the players who will take a back seat to the top players come crunch time. Every team has those fill out players. Seriously ask the parents of the studs on the team if they think the bottom of the roster could be improved. Not trying to be mean here, but trying to enlight some disillusioned parents out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They do not nor will they ever try to divide the talent on the teams equally. If you did that then the black team would not be competitive with other clubs top teams.Further it would not be fair to the better players who get put on purple or white.If you think college coaches do not care what team you play on because "they recruit individuals not teams" you would be misguided in that they are more likely to show interest in you when your resume says black player.I hope the white team is better than most other clubs 3 team but stop with the barely less than the black team, its just not the case. Have your kid work hard and they will eventually get moved up if the deserve it.

I don't remember anyone saying they divide the talent equally among all 3 teams, but if they did, that's incorrect. However, a few people, who seem to be involved in white and purple teams, correctly pointed out that the talent between white and purple may be similar. After they fill the black team, with whoever they think are the BEST players, they'll attempt to field two competitive teams, with purple and white. They're looking for an A, and two B's, not A, B, and C.

No way is the talent equally divided among the three. But no way is it the top 24 players on black, then next best 24 on purple and so on. The black team could easily be made better by trading out bottom 1/3 with white and purple. That is the point, they have left a good amount of talent on the other teams which is great. If you think every player on black is better than all the kids on the other two teams you are clueless. Every team needs the players who will take a back seat to the top players come crunch time. Every team has those fill out players. Seriously ask the parents of the studs on the team if they think the bottom of the roster could be improved. Not trying to be mean here, but trying to enlight some disillusioned parents out there.

Well said. Nice addition to what I mentioned...

Talk about clueless. Have a discussion with those that determine the teams, I have. They try to put the best 24 players on black period. Do they get it wrong sometimes or are some of the stud players parents opinions different from theirs , yes. Do not fool yourself and think they have on purpose left a good amount of talent on purple and white , that is just not the case. Yes sometimes politics and positions make a difference in my opinion easier to make higher team as a dedicated defender and you probably have a few middies on lower teams that could step in and help on defense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Talk about clueless. Have a discussion with those that determine the teams, I have. They try to put the best 24 players on black period. Do they get it wrong sometimes or are some of the stud players parents opinions different from theirs , yes. Do not fool yourself and think they have on purpose left a good amount of talent on purple and white , that is just not the case. Yes sometimes politics and positions make a difference in my opinion easier to make higher team as a dedicated defender and you probably have a few middies on lower teams that could step in and help on defense.

I agree, as mentioned in my post # 40115 above. They try to put the best on black, but they want purple and white to BOTH be competitive...

My daughter made purple. She can easily play black. Didn't have the best tryout. That's the way it goes. Next year will hopefully turn out better. Move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter made purple. She can easily play black. Didn't have the best tryout. That's the way it goes. Next year will hopefully turn out better. Move on

So says the parent of every girl on purple...............

A well respected town coach told me that if the top 10 black and the top 10 purple were all on the same team they would be a real force. He went on to say the black team had no chemistry. Maybe things will change when they have tryouts for the U 15 team. Maybe they will concentrate less on equal playing time and focus more on playing talent as these are the high school years . Maybe black players were moved. Maybe the owners see black &purple as having equal talent. The girls don't care about the colors, maybe the parents shouldn't either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter made purple. She can easily play black. Didn't have the best tryout. That's the way it goes. Next year will hopefully turn out better. Move on

So says the parent of every girl on purple...............

Not true. My daughter is on purple, and it's a great fit for her, and our family. I think most parents would agree, whether they admit it or not. There are definitely some that feel their kids should be on black, but not even close to "every" parent, as you said. Black is not for everyone, and can be less enjoyable, and more stressful, due to the level of competition, among the teammates and parents.

Ummmm no so says the patent of a very talented lacrosse player. Be careful. Ur princess may just get bounced sweetie

Have u never heard if someone having a bad tryout? Seriously??
There are Olympians that train endless hours and sometimes they choke in competition. Jeez get over urself

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elevate is all girls

No one thinking about Top Guns would ever consider Elevate a viable option. Keep dreaming,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter made purple. She can easily play black. Didn't have the best tryout. That's the way it goes. Next year will hopefully turn out better. Move on

So says the parent of every girl on purple...............

I know this to be true. A black player on 2015 makes the team every year, not because she is good but because of the town she lives in and the close relationship to the coach, this same girl did not make her varsity high school team until she was a sophomore, and barley got any playing time. A purple player in the same year made varsity as a freshman and gets extensive playing time. It is not fir me to make up anyones mind, but this seems to concur that in Top Guns, it's not how well you play but who you know

Is that why the elevate B teams were beating the TG B and C teams at their Hofstra tournament this summer? Not a dream - a fact.

The purple team only played tougher teams at the Hofstra Tournament, which the brackets were set up so that Black could have a cake walk to the finals to play Elevate.
The purple team was a joke for the majority of the season and ended winning all their games in Deleware while every competitive team at the 2017 age bracket was in Richmond. The parents were going crazy, paying for extra practices rolling their eyes at the complete lack of coaching until Andrew Smith finally was put in place. Taking away the previous year coach completely hurt them at the start of the season as her replacement was likely a decent player somewhere but not a force with regard to coaching.
The Smiths will likely pay attention now as the team is at the HS level, growing pains.
The white team is not a second B team, they are a C team and the expansion was made to not let potential players walk to other teams as they are just 9th graders and there is an opportunity to move up, all very smart business moves as is being the first tryouts each year.
Here is where it gets interesting, how many parents will send in that $500 check before the other Teams tryouts ?
I know personally that a group of the Purple girls that were demoted (yes it stings, but very true) to White are looking elsewhere.
As for recruiting, if you want your daughter playing D1 at a Top Ranked school thats great, she will give up a great deal of the college experience to be somewhat owned by the program. The expanse of the sport to the Mid West presents an opportunity for girls to play at amazing schools and get a great education. If in fact they as Long Islanders take advantage of new College programs they will likely be leaders on these teams, and possibly in their lives, what better lesson than that for a young woman in society today. If your here for anything more than putting a smile on your childs face and learning what a team is you got it all wrong, thats why its called a GAME !!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree 100%. My daughter is on TG black and the purple team is probably a better team in her age bracket. I .find it very sad that some of the over the top parents feel that there kid has to be on black. Give me a break.!! My daughters friends play on YJ teams 3&4 and they both got 3/4 rides to D1 schools. So again it doesn't matter which team you end up on , be proud that your child made a team . They are all equally strong.

Yellow Jackets C and D team, and they received a three quarter scholarship? Amazing, considering Yellow Jackets A and B players probably average about a quarter coming out of high school, which is really good.

While your point about TG Black and Purple makes sense, don't try to strengthen the argument with complete and utter nonsense

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The purple team only played tougher teams at the Hofstra Tournament, which the brackets were set up so that Black could have a cake walk to the finals to play Elevate.
The purple team was a joke for the majority of the season and ended winning all their games in Deleware while every competitive team at the 2017 age bracket was in Richmond. The parents were going crazy, paying for extra practices rolling their eyes at the complete lack of coaching until Andrew Smith finally was put in place. Taking away the previous year coach completely hurt them at the start of the season as her replacement was likely a decent player somewhere but not a force with regard to coaching.
The Smiths will likely pay attention now as the team is at the HS level, growing pains.
The white team is not a second B team, they are a C team and the expansion was made to not let potential players walk to other teams as they are just 9th graders and there is an opportunity to move up, all very smart business moves as is being the first tryouts each year.
Here is where it gets interesting, how many parents will send in that $500 check before the other Teams tryouts ?
I know personally that a group of the Purple girls that were demoted (yes it stings, but very true) to White are looking elsewhere.
As for recruiting, if you want your daughter playing D1 at a Top Ranked school thats great, she will give up a great deal of the college experience to be somewhat owned by the program. The expanse of the sport to the Mid West presents an opportunity for girls to play at amazing schools and get a great education. If in fact they as Long Islanders take advantage of new College programs they will likely be leaders on these teams, and possibly in their lives, what better lesson than that for a young woman in society today. If your here for anything more than putting a smile on your childs face and learning what a team is you got it all wrong, thats why its called a GAME !!!!!

You have some very good points mixed in there, but you don't know ANYTHING about the White team yet...stick to what you know for now...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The purple team only played tougher teams at the Hofstra Tournament, which the brackets were set up so that Black could have a cake walk to the finals to play Elevate.
The purple team was a joke for the majority of the season and ended winning all their games in Deleware while every competitive team at the 2017 age bracket was in Richmond. The parents were going crazy, paying for extra practices rolling their eyes at the complete lack of coaching until Andrew Smith finally was put in place. Taking away the previous year coach completely hurt them at the start of the season as her replacement was likely a decent player somewhere but not a force with regard to coaching.
The Smiths will likely pay attention now as the team is at the HS level, growing pains.
The white team is not a second B team, they are a C team and the expansion was made to not let potential players walk to other teams as they are just 9th graders and there is an opportunity to move up, all very smart business moves as is being the first tryouts each year.
Here is where it gets interesting, how many parents will send in that $500 check before the other Teams tryouts ?
I know personally that a group of the Purple girls that were demoted (yes it stings, but very true) to White are looking elsewhere.
As for recruiting, if you want your daughter playing D1 at a Top Ranked school thats great, she will give up a great deal of the college experience to be somewhat owned by the program. The expanse of the sport to the Mid West presents an opportunity for girls to play at amazing schools and get a great education. If in fact they as Long Islanders take advantage of new College programs they will likely be leaders on these teams, and possibly in their lives, what better lesson than that for a young woman in society today. If your here for anything more than putting a smile on your childs face and learning what a team is you got it all wrong, thats why its called a GAME !!!!!

Are you sending your check in, and staying on purple?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter made purple. She can easily play black. Didn't have the best tryout. That's the way it goes. Next year will hopefully turn out better. Move on

So says the parent of every girl on purple...............

I know this to be true. A black player on 2015 makes the team every year, not because she is good but because of the town she lives in and the close relationship to the coach, this same girl did not make her varsity high school team until she was a sophomore, and barley got any playing time. A purple player in the same year made varsity as a freshman and gets extensive playing time. It is not fir me to make up anyones mind, but this seems to concur that in Top Guns, it's not how well you play but who you know

When a kid make varsity doesn't really give an indication of how good they are. You need to provide more information. What HS?. A kid could play varsity as a freshman in one place and never make it somewhere else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter made purple. She can easily play black. Didn't have the best tryout. That's the way it goes. Next year will hopefully turn out better. Move on

So says the parent of every girl on purple...............

I know this to be true. A black player on 2015 makes the team every year, not because she is good but because of the town she lives in and the close relationship to the coach, this same girl did not make her varsity high school team until she was a sophomore, and barley got any playing time. A purple player in the same year made varsity as a freshman and gets extensive playing time. It is not fir me to make up anyones mind, but this seems to concur that in Top Guns, it's not how well you play but who you know

When a kid make varsity doesn't really give an indication of how good they are. You need to provide more information. What HS?. A kid could play varsity as a freshman in one place and never make it somewhere else.

Truer words have never been spoken...

So that's your excuse for TG teams losing to Elevate after saying none if the teams are comparable? Sounds like you are the dreamer after all......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So that's your excuse for TG teams losing to Elevate after saying none if the teams are comparable? Sounds like you are the dreamer after all......

What are you talking about? TG 2017 Black beat Elevate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So that's your excuse for TG teams losing to Elevate after saying none if the teams are comparable? Sounds like you are the dreamer after all......

What are you talking about? TG 2017 Black beat Elevate

Elevate beat Top Guns at National Draw in a full game. Top Guns beat Elevate by 1 goal in a 25 minutes game at Top Guns own tournament. Not an excuse - just exactly what it was.

I would be interested to hear how many new players tried out for TG (2017 -u15) who either
A). played JV (& had an impact) or
B). played Varsity in '13
for a Suffolk or Nassau championship (or semi final) team and actually got picked for Black / Purple / White.

Or how many new girls from these powerhouse towns tried out for the first time to TG and made the team.

Farmingdale
Bay Shore
Ward Melville
Garden City
Manhasset
Northport
West Islip
ESM
St A
Mt siani
Sayville
East Islip
wantaugh
Massapequa

OF THE 14 TOWNS ABOVE IF EACH TEAM AVG 5/6 STARS THEN YOU HAVE APPROX 80 PLAYERS ENOUGH FOR 4 QUALITY a TEAMS FOR ALL THE PROGRAMS TO SELECT FROM.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter made purple. She can easily play black. Didn't have the best tryout. That's the way it goes. Next year will hopefully turn out better. Move on

So says the parent of every girl on purple...............

I know this to be true. A black player on 2015 makes the team every year, not because she is good but because of the town she lives in and the close relationship to the coach, this same girl did not make her varsity high school team until she was a sophomore, and barley got any playing time. A purple player in the same year made varsity as a freshman and gets extensive playing time. It is not fir me to make up anyones mind, but this seems to concur that in Top Guns, it's not how well you play but who you know

When a kid make varsity doesn't really give an indication of how good they are. You need to provide more information. What HS?. A kid could play varsity as a freshman in one place and never make it somewhere else.

You've got way too much free time!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would be interested to hear how many new players tried out for TG (2017 -u15) who either
A). played JV (& had an impact) or
B). played Varsity in '13
for a Suffolk or Nassau championship (or semi final) team and actually got picked for Black / Purple / White.

Or how many new girls from these powerhouse towns tried out for the first time to TG and made the team.

Farmingdale
Bay Shore
Ward Melville
Garden City
Manhasset
Northport
West Islip
ESM
St A
Mt siani
Sayville
East Islip
wantaugh
Massapequa

OF THE 14 TOWNS ABOVE IF EACH TEAM AVG 5/6 STARS THEN YOU HAVE APPROX 80 PLAYERS ENOUGH FOR 4 QUALITY a TEAMS FOR ALL THE PROGRAMS TO SELECT FROM.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter made purple. She can easily play black. Didn't have the best tryout. That's the way it goes. Next year will hopefully turn out better. Move on

So says the parent of every girl on purple...............

I know this to be true. A black player on 2015 makes the team every year, not because she is good but because of the town she lives in and the close relationship to the coach, this same girl did not make her varsity high school team until she was a sophomore, and barley got any playing time. A purple player in the same year made varsity as a freshman and gets extensive playing time. It is not fir me to make up anyones mind, but this seems to concur that in Top Guns, it's not how well you play but who you know

When a kid make varsity doesn't really give an indication of how good they are. You need to provide more information. What HS?. A kid could play varsity as a freshman in one place and never make it somewhere else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So that's your excuse for TG teams losing to Elevate after saying none if the teams are comparable? Sounds like you are the dreamer after all......

What are you talking about? TG 2017 Black beat Elevate

Elevate beat Top Guns at National Draw in a full game. Top Guns beat Elevate by 1 goal in a 25 minutes game at Top Guns own tournament. Not an excuse - just exactly what it was.

First YJ, not Elevate people, coming here, picking fights? Why are we even talking about Elevate vs. TG??? Who cares? They're both good programs...

Yes, the check is going in, but she'll be staying on Black, but we have friends on both Purple and White and they have both spoke of possibly looking elsewhere.
There are girls headed to White from Purple that are not happy and that is from the Parents mouths.
People will do whats best for their child in most cases.

I guess the bottom line on all this will be decided when TG sends a U15 team to Nationals and all those studs from the Purple and White team are on the squad.

SWR powerhouse also. Mt Sinai only won this year and the year swr moved up to b

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, the check is going in, but she'll be staying on Black, but we have friends on both Purple and White and they have both spoke of possibly looking elsewhere.
There are girls headed to White from Purple that are not happy and that is from the Parents mouths.
People will do whats best for their child in most cases.

How can you say the Purple team was a "joke", if you weren't even there?? BTW, I know there are kids on black, who would like to escape to purple, if they were allowed. It should be all about doing what's best for each individual child, like you said...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess the bottom line on all this will be decided when TG sends a U15 team to Nationals and all those studs from the Purple and White team are on the squad.

Let's hear from those who have already been to the U15 tourny- did TG take the entire black team? Were any purple girls on the team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So that's your excuse for TG teams losing to Elevate after saying none if the teams are comparable? Sounds like you are the dreamer after all......

What are you talking about? TG 2017 Black beat Elevate

Elevate beat Top Guns at National Draw in a full game. Top Guns beat Elevate by 1 goal in a 25 minutes game at Top Guns own tournament. Not an excuse - just exactly what it was.

First YJ, not Elevate people, coming here, picking fights? Why are we even talking about Elevate vs. TG??? Who cares? They're both good programs...

There was an original question on here asking which programs were all girls programs. I responded to that and added that Elevate was all girls. Some person chose to make an obnoxious post about Elevate. Yes I agree it is a strong up and coming program. They have some very good teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess the bottom line on all this will be decided when TG sends a U15 team to Nationals and all those studs from the Purple and White team are on the squad.

Let's hear from those who have already been to the U15 tourny- did TG take the entire black team? Were any purple girls on the team?

When the 2015 team went, it was mostly 2015 black but not all made the team, a few 2015 purple and a few girls from the older and younger teams, not sure which color.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess the bottom line on all this will be decided when TG sends a U15 team to Nationals and all those studs from the Purple and White team are on the squad.

The TGs should really send two teams just like the YJs have done, we have seen that second teams may actually go further than the first team. But that would be one big consideration when choosing which club to play for, especially if your daughter is on the second or third team. For TGs you are on the outside watching, at least playing for YJ, you may get the opportunity to go and compete at the u15 championships.

Didn't tg just win the u15 nationals?

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess the bottom line on all this will be decided when TG sends a U15 team to Nationals and all those studs from the Purple and White team are on the squad.

Let's hear from those who have already been to the U15 tourny- did TG take the entire black team? Were any purple girls on the team?

When the 2015 team went, it was mostly 2015 black but not all made the team, a few 2015 purple and a few girls from the older and younger teams, not sure which color.

Thank you. My daughter has been asked to play on TG, will be trying out for another team before she decides where she wants to play. Your reply iand insight is appreciated.

listen to this guy "at least playing for YJ, you may get the opportunity to go and compete at the u15 championships."

AND GET YOUR BUTTS KICKED BY TOPGUNS. hows that feel?

better hurry up before you lose your position

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess the bottom line on all this will be decided when TG sends a U15 team to Nationals and all those studs from the Purple and White team are on the squad.

Let's hear from those who have already been to the U15 tourny- did TG take the entire black team? Were any purple girls on the team?

The team that just won had a couple 2016 purple players

Only 1

Coming from a parent who has no daughter on Top Gun but has been around since a year or two before Top Gun began. If you parents could only see yourselves from outside your little bubble. It is so very sad..black this purple that, white whatever...you sound as ridiculous as the nonsense that goes on on the yj thread. All the while missing the point...just enjoy your daughters playing a great sport with great kids. As others have said...it goes so very quickly! NO One will every remember what color your daughter played for.

Please... YJ 2017 Blue came in 2nd to TopGuns! Do you really think you have a chance next year? In fact TG 2017 black is equal to YJ 3rd team!! You don't have a chance in [lacrosse] winning next year!

Top Guns 2013/14 - welcome to the new YJ's. Obnoxious parents tooting their own kids horns. Congrats - you have become what you left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter made purple. She can easily play black. Didn't have the best tryout. That's the way it goes. Next year will hopefully turn out better. Move on

So says the parent of every girl on purple...............

I know this to be true. A black player on 2015 makes the team every year, not because she is good but because of the town she lives in and the close relationship to the coach, this same girl did not make her varsity high school team until she was a sophomore, and barley got any playing time. A purple player in the same year made varsity as a freshman and gets extensive playing time. It is not fir me to make up anyones mind, but this seems to concur that in Top Guns, it's not how well you play but who you know

When a kid make varsity doesn't really give an indication of how good they are. You need to provide more information. What HS?. A kid could play varsity as a freshman in one place and never make it somewhere else.

A girl on 2015 black didn't make a varsity team at High School A. While a girl on 2015 purple made varsity, and got considerable playing time. The only difference between Top Guns , and High School A is that at Top Guns the black player was friends with the coach, and at High School A when the friendly coach is not there, and she is forced to prove herself she is 1. unable to secure a position, and 2. unable to make it on the field because her performance and attitude is poor. the High School in question is irrelevant , suffice it to say that with out the political connection , the black player is second rate in the eyes of an impartial evaluator. Good luck playing for Top Guns, pucker up to excel

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter made purple. She can easily play black. Didn't have the best tryout. That's the way it goes. Next year will hopefully turn out better. Move on

So says the parent of every girl on purple...............

I know this to be true. A black player on 2015 makes the team every year, not because she is good but because of the town she lives in and the close relationship to the coach, this same girl did not make her varsity high school team until she was a sophomore, and barley got any playing time. A purple player in the same year made varsity as a freshman and gets extensive playing time. It is not fir me to make up anyones mind, but this seems to concur that in Top Guns, it's not how well you play but who you know

When a kid make varsity doesn't really give an indication of how good they are. You need to provide more information. What HS?. A kid could play varsity as a freshman in one place and never make it somewhere else.

A girl on 2015 black didn't make a varsity team at High School A. While a girl on 2015 purple made varsity, and got considerable playing time. The only difference between Top Guns , and High School A is that at Top Guns the black player was friends with the coach, and at High School A when the friendly coach is not there, and she is forced to prove herself she is 1. unable to secure a position, and 2. unable to make it on the field because her performance and attitude is poor. the High School in question is irrelevant , suffice it to say that with out the political connection , the black player is second rate in the eyes of an impartial evaluator. Good luck playing for Top Guns, pucker up to excel

You can't say that the HS is irrelevant. A very good player, on a top HS team, might not play much, while a mediocre player, on a weak HS team, might play a lot, and even stand out. You can't compare the two players, without considering which HS teams they're on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So that's your excuse for TG teams losing to Elevate after saying none if the teams are comparable? Sounds like you are the dreamer after all......

What are you talking about? TG 2017 Black beat Elevate

Elevate beat Top Guns at National Draw in a full game. Top Guns beat Elevate by 1 goal in a 25 minutes game at Top Guns own tournament. Not an excuse - just exactly what it was.

What it exactly was is a loss by Elevate. You said it yourself. Lost by 1 in 25 minute game. A loss is a loss own it!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So that's your excuse for TG teams losing to Elevate after saying none if the teams are comparable? Sounds like you are the dreamer after all......

What are you talking about? TG 2017 Black beat Elevate

Elevate beat Top Guns at National Draw in a full game. Top Guns beat Elevate by 1 goal in a 25 minutes game at Top Guns own tournament. Not an excuse - just exactly what it was.

What it exactly was is a loss by Elevate. You said it yourself. Lost by 1 in 25 minute game. A loss is a loss own it!!

Looks like it was owned. Didnt notice TG owning their loss to Elevate though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter made purple. She can easily play black. Didn't have the best tryout. That's the way it goes. Next year will hopefully turn out better. Move on

So says the parent of every girl on purple...............

I know this to be true. A black player on 2015 makes the team every year, not because she is good but because of the town she lives in and the close relationship to the coach, this same girl did not make her varsity high school team until she was a sophomore, and barley got any playing time. A purple player in the same year made varsity as a freshman and gets extensive playing time. It is not fir me to make up anyones mind, but this seems to concur that in Top Guns, it's not how well you play but who you know

When a kid make varsity doesn't really give an indication of how good they are. You need to provide more information. What HS?. A kid could play varsity as a freshman in one place and never make it somewhere else.

A girl on 2015 black didn't make a varsity team at High School A. While a girl on 2015 purple made varsity, and got considerable playing time. The only difference between Top Guns , and High School A is that at Top Guns the black player was friends with the coach, and at High School A when the friendly coach is not there, and she is forced to prove herself she is 1. unable to secure a position, and 2. unable to make it on the field because her performance and attitude is poor. the High School in question is irrelevant , suffice it to say that with out the political connection , the black player is second rate in the eyes of an impartial evaluator. Good luck playing for Top Guns, pucker up to excel

You can't say that the HS is irrelevant. A very good player, on a top HS team, might not play much, while a mediocre player, on a weak HS team, might play a lot, and even stand out. You can't compare the two players, without considering which HS teams they're on.

The High School is irrelevant, we are not judging the high school , but comparing the talent. If the black player was so much better than the purple player than she should have made varsity as a freshman, like the purple player, and in theory should have more playing time. I submit that on an even playing field the girl that has been on purple for years is a better player than the player on the so called "A" level black team player and on any high school field should get more minuets. This however is not the case. The black player only makes the black team because of a close relationship to the head coach of the black team at Top Guns, leaving a better player on a "B" team only because of politics, and that is the essence of Top Guns. Who you know will trump talent every time. I, for one can not understand why you think the H.S. team matters. can you explain why? because I can tell you that without question the H.S. coach has no ties to Top Guns, and is only fielding the girls she feels will help her win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess the bottom line on all this will be decided when TG sends a U15 team to Nationals and all those studs from the Purple and White team are on the squad.

Let's hear from those who have already been to the U15 tourny- did TG take the entire black team? Were any purple girls on the team?

The team that just won had a couple 2016 purple players

There will be a tryout sometime this winter (ours last year was at the Syosset sports hub).. anyone interested in playing who can make the age restriction is invited to tryout. this years team was made up of several 2015 girls from both the black and purple team, most girls were 2016 black with 1 girl from 2016 purple. no 2017's made the team.. several 2016 Black players did not make the team but were alternates ( they came to the Florida team practices and were ready to play in case of injury )
BTW there are a few 2016 black and purple girls who will still be "young" enough to tryout for this years team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter made purple. She can easily play black. Didn't have the best tryout. That's the way it goes. Next year will hopefully turn out better. Move on

So says the parent of every girl on purple...............

I know this to be true. A black player on 2015 makes the team every year, not because she is good but because of the town she lives in and the close relationship to the coach, this same girl did not make her varsity high school team until she was a sophomore, and barley got any playing time. A purple player in the same year made varsity as a freshman and gets extensive playing time. It is not fir me to make up anyones mind, but this seems to concur that in Top Guns, it's not how well you play but who you know

When a kid make varsity doesn't really give an indication of how good they are. You need to provide more information. What HS?. A kid could play varsity as a freshman in one place and never make it somewhere else.

A girl on 2015 black didn't make a varsity team at High School A. While a girl on 2015 purple made varsity, and got considerable playing time. The only difference between Top Guns , and High School A is that at Top Guns the black player was friends with the coach, and at High School A when the friendly coach is not there, and she is forced to prove herself she is 1. unable to secure a position, and 2. unable to make it on the field because her performance and attitude is poor. the High School in question is irrelevant , suffice it to say that with out the political connection , the black player is second rate in the eyes of an impartial evaluator. Good luck playing for Top Guns, pucker up to excel

if the two players you at=re speaking about are not on the same High school team there can be no comparison..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter made purple. She can easily play black. Didn't have the best tryout. That's the way it goes. Next year will hopefully turn out better. Move on

So says the parent of every girl on purple...............

I know this to be true. A black player on 2015 makes the team every year, not because she is good but because of the town she lives in and the close relationship to the coach, this same girl did not make her varsity high school team until she was a sophomore, and barley got any playing time. A purple player in the same year made varsity as a freshman and gets extensive playing time. It is not fir me to make up anyones mind, but this seems to concur that in Top Guns, it's not how well you play but who you know

When a kid make varsity doesn't really give an indication of how good they are. You need to provide more information. What HS?. A kid could play varsity as a freshman in one place and never make it somewhere else.

A girl on 2015 black didn't make a varsity team at High School A. While a girl on 2015 purple made varsity, and got considerable playing time. The only difference between Top Guns , and High School A is that at Top Guns the black player was friends with the coach, and at High School A when the friendly coach is not there, and she is forced to prove herself she is 1. unable to secure a position, and 2. unable to make it on the field because her performance and attitude is poor. the High School in question is irrelevant , suffice it to say that with out the political connection , the black player is second rate in the eyes of an impartial evaluator. Good luck playing for Top Guns, pucker up to excel

if the two players you at=re speaking about are not on the same High school team there can be no comparison..

I agree, and I find this singling out of a player very distasteful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter made purple. She can easily play black. Didn't have the best tryout. That's the way it goes. Next year will hopefully turn out better. Move on

So says the parent of every girl on purple...............

I know this to be true. A black player on 2015 makes the team every year, not because she is good but because of the town she lives in and the close relationship to the coach, this same girl did not make her varsity high school team until she was a sophomore, and barley got any playing time. A purple player in the same year made varsity as a freshman and gets extensive playing time. It is not fir me to make up anyones mind, but this seems to concur that in Top Guns, it's not how well you play but who you know

When a kid make varsity doesn't really give an indication of how good they are. You need to provide more information. What HS?. A kid could play varsity as a freshman in one place and never make it somewhere else.

A girl on 2015 black didn't make a varsity team at High School A. While a girl on 2015 purple made varsity, and got considerable playing time. The only difference between Top Guns , and High School A is that at Top Guns the black player was friends with the coach, and at High School A when the friendly coach is not there, and she is forced to prove herself she is 1. unable to secure a position, and 2. unable to make it on the field because her performance and attitude is poor. the High School in question is irrelevant , suffice it to say that with out the political connection , the black player is second rate in the eyes of an impartial evaluator. Good luck playing for Top Guns, pucker up to excel

if the two players you at=re speaking about are not on the same High school team there can be no comparison..

they are on the same H.S. team and it is a direct comparison, thats the point, The H.S. team them becomes irrelevant

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter made purple. She can easily play black. Didn't have the best tryout. That's the way it goes. Next year will hopefully turn out better. Move on

So says the parent of every girl on purple...............

I know this to be true. A black player on 2015 makes the team every year, not because she is good but because of the town she lives in and the close relationship to the coach, this same girl did not make her varsity high school team until she was a sophomore, and barley got any playing time. A purple player in the same year made varsity as a freshman and gets extensive playing time. It is not fir me to make up anyones mind, but this seems to concur that in Top Guns, it's not how well you play but who you know

When a kid make varsity doesn't really give an indication of how good they are. You need to provide more information. What HS?. A kid could play varsity as a freshman in one place and never make it somewhere else.

A girl on 2015 black didn't make a varsity team at High School A. While a girl on 2015 purple made varsity, and got considerable playing time. The only difference between Top Guns , and High School A is that at Top Guns the black player was friends with the coach, and at High School A when the friendly coach is not there, and she is forced to prove herself she is 1. unable to secure a position, and 2. unable to make it on the field because her performance and attitude is poor. the High School in question is irrelevant , suffice it to say that with out the political connection , the black player is second rate in the eyes of an impartial evaluator. Good luck playing for Top Guns, pucker up to excel

if the two players you at=re speaking about are not on the same High school team there can be no comparison..

Thank you - beat me to it. This whole mess started because the original poster did not specify whether the girls go to the same school or not. If not, it's apples and oranges - like D1 vs D3.

Do these two girls go to the same H.S.? If not, you can't compare them, based on when they made varsity.

Even if they do go to the same H.S., do you really think that the H.S. teams don't have politics, friendships, etc?

Now that 2016 recruiting must be in the thick of it,what schools are the girls looking at and getting looked at by, just curious, I hear there is an early commit to Hofstra any others ?

The high school IS relevant. First guys right

The high school matters

Try to think outside the box. It's not that hard in this case

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The high school IS relevant. First guys right

Even if the HS matters, does that person really think there are no politics, favorites, friends, connections, etc?

Do you really think that's only at TG? If so, you're in for a rough ride!! Unfortunately, that stuff goes on everywhere!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So that's your excuse for TG teams losing to Elevate after saying none if the teams are comparable? Sounds like you are the dreamer after all......

What are you talking about? TG 2017 Black beat Elevate

Elevate beat Top Guns at National Draw in a full game. Top Guns beat Elevate by 1 goal in a 25 minutes game at Top Guns own tournament. Not an excuse - just exactly what it was.

What it exactly was is a loss by Elevate. You said it yourself. Lost by 1 in 25 minute game. A loss is a loss own it!!

Looks like it was owned. Didnt notice TG owning their loss to Elevate though.

If you did your homework before you started complaining about "only 1 goal in a 25 minute game" you would have seen that all the way back in post #39840 that the loss was owned by top guns. If you continue to look further back you would have noticed that no whining came after the loss at national draw and actually congratulatory posts were submitted. Again, get over it and stay on your own board,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The high school matters

Ok, so lets agree that you've uncovered a great conspiracy, that nepotism or favoritism or even friendship does in fact affect how the TG puts a few players on its top team. It's his business (or hers..) it is ultimately his decision on how to construct the team.. is it right?? does it have to be right??

If you owned a pizzeria, and your brothers kid came in for lunch.. are you gonna charge her..same thing

So says the parent of every girl on purple............... [/quote]I know this to be true. A black player on 2015 makes the team every year, not because she is good but because of the town she lives in and the close relationship to the coach, this same girl did not make her varsity high school team until she was a sophomore, and barley got any playing time. A purple player in the same year made varsity as a freshman and gets extensive playing time. It is not fir me to make up anyones mind, but this seems to concur that in Top Guns, it's not how well you play but who you know [/quote]

When a kid make varsity doesn't really give an indication of how good they are. You need to provide more information. What HS?. A kid could play varsity as a freshman in one place and never make it somewhere else. [/quote]A girl on 2015 black didn't make a varsity team at High School A. While a girl on 2015 purple made varsity, and got considerable playing time. The only difference between Top Guns , and High School A is that at Top Guns the black player was friends with the coach, and at High School A when the friendly coach is not there, and she is forced to prove herself she is 1. unable to secure a position, and 2. unable to make it on the field because her performance and attitude is poor. the High School in question is irrelevant , suffice it to say that with out the political connection , the black player is second rate in the eyes of an impartial evaluator. Good luck playing for Top Guns, pucker up to excel [/quote]

if the two players you at=re speaking about are not on the same High school team there can be no comparison.. [/quote]they are on the same H.S. team and it is a direct comparison, thats the point, The H.S. team them becomes irrelevant [/quote]

I went back and read it again..I got it now...Politics on the TG 's??? Sh*t happens

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do these two girls go to the same H.S.? If not, you can't compare them, based on when they made varsity.

Even if they do go to the same H.S., do you really think that the H.S. teams don't have politics, friendships, etc?

Sometimes it's worse!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do these two girls go to the same H.S.? If not, you can't compare them, based on when they made varsity.

Even if they do go to the same H.S., do you really think that the H.S. teams don't have politics, friendships, etc?

It was I that wrote the original post , so let me clarify with much apologies. Yes both girls go to the same high school. To be perfectly honest there is a bias, towards a a completely different club that does not have enough players to field a varsity team ( not y.j. or t.g) there is no bias in this coach towards either player, she knew neither girl by name, affiliation, or reputation prior to the freshman year of high school, IMHO this coach has done a good job building team with the resources available to her, and is trying to build a good program, so will play the better player to achieve this goal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do these two girls go to the same H.S.? If not, you can't compare them, based on when they made varsity.

Even if they do go to the same H.S., do you really think that the H.S. teams don't have politics, friendships, etc?

It was I that wrote the original post , so let me clarify with much apologies. Yes both girls go to the same high school. To be perfectly honest there is a bias, towards a a completely different club that does not have enough players to field a varsity team ( not y.j. or t.g) there is no bias in this coach towards either player, she knew neither girl by name, affiliation, or reputation prior to the freshman year of high school, IMHO this coach has done a good job building team with the resources available to her, and is trying to build a good program, so will play the better player to achieve this goal

So, you think only TG is riddled with politics, and this coach is completely unbiased, with no favorites, etc? Wait until your daughter's playing time diminishes for some reason....it will be favorites again! Good luck!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do these two girls go to the same H.S.? If not, you can't compare them, based on when they made varsity.

Even if they do go to the same H.S., do you really think that the H.S. teams don't have politics, friendships, etc?

It was I that wrote the original post , so let me clarify with much apologies. Yes both girls go to the same high school. To be perfectly honest there is a bias, towards a a completely different club that does not have enough players to field a varsity team ( not y.j. or t.g) there is no bias in this coach towards either player, she knew neither girl by name, affiliation, or reputation prior to the freshman year of high school, IMHO this coach has done a good job building team with the resources available to her, and is trying to build a good program, so will play the better player to achieve this goal

So, you think only TG is riddled with politics, and this coach is completely unbiased, with no favorites, etc? Wait until your daughter's playing time diminishes for some reason....it will be favorites again! Good luck!

You must be the parent of one of those politicly advantaged Top Guns players, and thats good for you and your daughter, but don't become bitter because you get called out on it. In this situation the black player was exposed for not being as strong as the purple player, in most cases it doesn't happen and your secret stays safe. As far as my daughter goes have no fear, she started as a freshman and won a dog fight with another girl to secure the starters postion on this same team,she makes a top level club team every year, but unlike your daughter she is not granted a spot because of who I know, she is one of the rare girls on Long Island that has earned her way by hard work, and that lesson will serve her when she goes out into the world without me. How about yours, will you continue to kiss butt even when she is in college sitting on the bench

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do these two girls go to the same H.S.? If not, you can't compare them, based on when they made varsity.

Even if they do go to the same H.S., do you really think that the H.S. teams don't have politics, friendships, etc?

It was I that wrote the original post , so let me clarify with much apologies. Yes both girls go to the same high school. To be perfectly honest there is a bias, towards a a completely different club that does not have enough players to field a varsity team ( not y.j. or t.g) there is no bias in this coach towards either player, she knew neither girl by name, affiliation, or reputation prior to the freshman year of high school, IMHO this coach has done a good job building team with the resources available to her, and is trying to build a good program, so will play the better player to achieve this goal

So, you think only TG is riddled with politics, and this coach is completely unbiased, with no favorites, etc? Wait until your daughter's playing time diminishes for some reason....it will be favorites again! Good luck!

You must be the parent of one of those politicly advantaged Top Guns players, and thats good for you and your daughter, but don't become bitter because you get called out on it. In this situation the black player was exposed for not being as strong as the purple player, in most cases it doesn't happen and your secret stays safe. As far as my daughter goes have no fear, she started as a freshman and won a dog fight with another girl to secure the starters postion on this same team,she makes a top level club team every year, but unlike your daughter she is not granted a spot because of who I know, she is one of the rare girls on Long Island that has earned her way by hard work, and that lesson will serve her when she goes out into the world without me. How about yours, will you continue to kiss butt even when she is in college sitting on the bench

Unfortunately, I have no connections, and my daughter is not on a top team, but I don't blame it on politics. I do however realize that it happens everywhere, even in real life. That's been my general point all along. You basically came on here, and made it sound like TG is solely based on who you know, which is definitely not true. Sounds like your daughter is very talented, and will do very well for herself. You sound intelligent, so hopefully you're not teaching her that whenever it doesn't go her way, it's because of the program, the politics, and the connections. Be happy she's doing so well on the school team, and enjoy whichever "non-TG" top team you decide to go with.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do these two girls go to the same H.S.? If not, you can't compare them, based on when they made varsity.

Even if they do go to the same H.S., do you really think that the H.S. teams don't have politics, friendships, etc?

It was I that wrote the original post , so let me clarify with much apologies. Yes both girls go to the same high school. To be perfectly honest there is a bias, towards a a completely different club that does not have enough players to field a varsity team ( not y.j. or t.g) there is no bias in this coach towards either player, she knew neither girl by name, affiliation, or reputation prior to the freshman year of high school, IMHO this coach has done a good job building team with the resources available to her, and is trying to build a good program, so will play the better player to achieve this goal

So, you think only TG is riddled with politics, and this coach is completely unbiased, with no favorites, etc? Wait until your daughter's playing time diminishes for some reason....it will be favorites again! Good luck!

You must be the parent of one of those politicly advantaged Top Guns players, and thats good for you and your daughter, but don't become bitter because you get called out on it. In this situation the black player was exposed for not being as strong as the purple player, in most cases it doesn't happen and your secret stays safe. As far as my daughter goes have no fear, she started as a freshman and won a dog fight with another girl to secure the starters postion on this same team,she makes a top level club team every year, but unlike your daughter she is not granted a spot because of who I know, she is one of the rare girls on Long Island that has earned her way by hard work, and that lesson will serve her when she goes out into the world without me. How about yours, will you continue to kiss butt even when she is in college sitting on the bench

You don't know what you're talking about. Keep blaming it on butt kissing...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do these two girls go to the same H.S.? If not, you can't compare them, based on when they made varsity.

Even if they do go to the same H.S., do you really think that the H.S. teams don't have politics, friendships, etc?

It was I that wrote the original post , so let me clarify with much apologies. Yes both girls go to the same high school. To be perfectly honest there is a bias, towards a a completely different club that does not have enough players to field a varsity team ( not y.j. or t.g) there is no bias in this coach towards either player, she knew neither girl by name, affiliation, or reputation prior to the freshman year of high school, IMHO this coach has done a good job building team with the resources available to her, and is trying to build a good program, so will play the better player to achieve this goal

did these girls play in ms? If so then the coach is not using all resources available. Saying she was totally unfamiliar with either girls means she never saw a middle school game or spoke with the ms coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do these two girls go to the same H.S.? If not, you can't compare them, based on when they made varsity.

Even if they do go to the same H.S., do you really think that the H.S. teams don't have politics, friendships, etc?

It was I that wrote the original post , so let me clarify with much apologies. Yes both girls go to the same high school. To be perfectly honest there is a bias, towards a a completely different club that does not have enough players to field a varsity team ( not y.j. or t.g) there is no bias in this coach towards either player, she knew neither girl by name, affiliation, or reputation prior to the freshman year of high school, IMHO this coach has done a good job building team with the resources available to her, and is trying to build a good program, so will play the better player to achieve this goal

did these girls play in ms? If so then the coach is not using all resources available. Saying she was totally unfamiliar with either girls means she never saw a middle school game or spoke with the ms coach.

I bet she wasn't unfamiliar with either girl...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do these two girls go to the same H.S.? If not, you can't compare them, based on when they made varsity.

Even if they do go to the same H.S., do you really think that the H.S. teams don't have politics, friendships, etc?

It was I that wrote the original post , so let me clarify with much apologies. Yes both girls go to the same high school. To be perfectly honest there is a bias, towards a a completely different club that does not have enough players to field a varsity team ( not y.j. or t.g) there is no bias in this coach towards either player, she knew neither girl by name, affiliation, or reputation prior to the freshman year of high school, IMHO this coach has done a good job building team with the resources available to her, and is trying to build a good program, so will play the better player to achieve this goal

So, you think only TG is riddled with politics, and this coach is completely unbiased, with no favorites, etc? Wait until your daughter's playing time diminishes for some reason....it will be favorites again! Good luck!

You must be the parent of one of those politicly advantaged Top Guns players, and thats good for you and your daughter, but don't become bitter because you get called out on it. In this situation the black player was exposed for not being as strong as the purple player, in most cases it doesn't happen and your secret stays safe. As far as my daughter goes have no fear, she started as a freshman and won a dog fight with another girl to secure the starters postion on this same team,she makes a top level club team every year, but unlike your daughter she is not granted a spot because of who I know, she is one of the rare girls on Long Island that has earned her way by hard work, and that lesson will serve her when she goes out into the world without me. How about yours, will you continue to kiss butt even when she is in college sitting on the bench

Unfortunately, I have no connections, and my daughter is not on a top team, but I don't blame it on politics. I do however realize that it happens everywhere, even in real life. That's been my general point all along. You basically came on here, and made it sound like TG is solely based on who you know, which is definitely not true. Sounds like your daughter is very talented, and will do very well for herself. You sound intelligent, so hopefully you're not teaching her that whenever it doesn't go her way, it's because of the program, the politics, and the connections. Be happy she's doing so well on the school team, and enjoy whichever "non-TG" top team you decide to go with.

Thank you, and I teach her that it is not all politics , some times chemistry , some times timing, some times other factors,
Of course there are biases on the team, but towards the coaches club team, witch is neither T.G. or Y.J. Again i will state the coaches club team is small and she understands that she must take players from all clubs to succeed, and no it is not ms.
To prove that the coach is as unbiased as possible, there are 2 goalies from her club, the starting goalie won the position from a girl from the coaches club simply because she works harder and is a better team mate and payer. I truly have a lot of respect for the coach to surrender her club bias and play the stronger players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coming from a parent who has no daughter on Top Gun but has been around since a year or two before Top Gun began. If you parents could only see yourselves from outside your little bubble. It is so very sad..black this purple that, white whatever...you sound as ridiculous as the nonsense that goes on on the yj thread. All the while missing the point...just enjoy your daughters playing a great sport with great kids. As others have said...it goes so very quickly! NO One will every remember what color your daughter played for.

Great Post! The longer I have been a part of the travel lax experience, the more I agree. Just have fun! Enjoy it! It does go fast. And try to stay as stress free as you can.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do these two girls go to the same H.S.? If not, you can't compare them, based on when they made varsity.

Even if they do go to the same H.S., do you really think that the H.S. teams don't have politics, friendships, etc?

It was I that wrote the original post , so let me clarify with much apologies. Yes both girls go to the same high school. To be perfectly honest there is a bias, towards a a completely different club that does not have enough players to field a varsity team ( not y.j. or t.g) there is no bias in this coach towards either player, she knew neither girl by name, affiliation, or reputation prior to the freshman year of high school, IMHO this coach has done a good job building team with the resources available to her, and is trying to build a good program, so will play the better player to achieve this goal

So, you think only TG is riddled with politics, and this coach is completely unbiased, with no favorites, etc? Wait until your daughter's playing time diminishes for some reason....it will be favorites again! Good luck!

You must be the parent of one of those politicly advantaged Top Guns players, and thats good for you and your daughter, but don't become bitter because you get called out on it. In this situation the black player was exposed for not being as strong as the purple player, in most cases it doesn't happen and your secret stays safe. As far as my daughter goes have no fear, she started as a freshman and won a dog fight with another girl to secure the starters postion on this same team,she makes a top level club team every year, but unlike your daughter she is not granted a spot because of who I know, she is one of the rare girls on Long Island that has earned her way by hard work, and that lesson will serve her when she goes out into the world without me. How about yours, will you continue to kiss butt even when she is in college sitting on the bench

Get over yourself , you sound like your daughters the only kid on Long Island who deserves her spot, truth is way more kids don not have connections than do.

Will you all please get a life. The apple never falls far from the tree. Take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself, were you a high school star? did you go on to college and excell? I'm positive that 99.9 percemt of you never even played a sport at a high level. What makes you think your poor gene pool missed your princess. Both clubs try and put the best product on the field, if you don't agree your princess must not have made a top team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do these two girls go to the same H.S.? If not, you can't compare them, based on when they made varsity.

Even if they do go to the same H.S., do you really think that the H.S. teams don't have politics, friendships, etc?

It was I that wrote the original post , so let me clarify with much apologies. Yes both girls go to the same high school. To be perfectly honest there is a bias, towards a a completely different club that does not have enough players to field a varsity team ( not y.j. or t.g) there is no bias in this coach towards either player, she knew neither girl by name, affiliation, or reputation prior to the freshman year of high school, IMHO this coach has done a good job building team with the resources available to her, and is trying to build a good program, so will play the better player to achieve this goal

So, you think only TG is riddled with politics, and this coach is completely unbiased, with no favorites, etc? Wait until your daughter's playing time diminishes for some reason....it will be favorites again! Good luck!

You must be the parent of one of those politicly advantaged Top Guns players, and thats good for you and your daughter, but don't become bitter because you get called out on it. In this situation the black player was exposed for not being as strong as the purple player, in most cases it doesn't happen and your secret stays safe. As far as my daughter goes have no fear, she started as a freshman and won a dog fight with another girl to secure the starters postion on this same team,she makes a top level club team every year, but unlike your daughter she is not granted a spot because of who I know, she is one of the rare girls on Long Island that has earned her way by hard work, and that lesson will serve her when she goes out into the world without me. How about yours, will you continue to kiss butt even when she is in college sitting on the bench

Get over yourself , you sound like your daughters the only kid on Long Island who deserves her spot, truth is way more kids don not have connections than do.

whos [lacrosse] are you kissing shannons or carols

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will you all please get a life. The apple never falls far from the tree. Take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself, were you a high school star? did you go on to college and excell? I'm positive that 99.9 percemt of you never even played a sport at a high level. What makes you think your poor gene pool missed your princess. Both clubs try and put the best product on the field, if you don't agree your princess must not have made a top team.

Why don't you just shut up and get my garbage from the curb already!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will you all please get a life. The apple never falls far from the tree. Take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself, were you a high school star? did you go on to college and excell? I'm positive that 99.9 percemt of you never even played a sport at a high level. What makes you think your poor gene pool missed your princess. Both clubs try and put the best product on the field, if you don't agree your princess must not have made a top team.

Why don't you just shut up and get my garbage from the curb already!

Are you an adult? Middle school response at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do these two girls go to the same H.S.? If not, you can't compare them, based on when they made varsity.

Even if they do go to the same H.S., do you really think that the H.S. teams don't have politics, friendships, etc?

It was I that wrote the original post , so let me clarify with much apologies. Yes both girls go to the same high school. To be perfectly honest there is a bias, towards a a completely different club that does not have enough players to field a varsity team ( not y.j. or t.g) there is no bias in this coach towards either player, she knew neither girl by name, affiliation, or reputation prior to the freshman year of high school, IMHO this coach has done a good job building team with the resources available to her, and is trying to build a good program, so will play the better player to achieve this goal

So, you think only TG is riddled with politics, and this coach is completely unbiased, with no favorites, etc? Wait until your daughter's playing time diminishes for some reason....it will be favorites again! Good luck!

You must be the parent of one of those politicly advantaged Top Guns players, and thats good for you and your daughter, but don't become bitter because you get called out on it. In this situation the black player was exposed for not being as strong as the purple player, in most cases it doesn't happen and your secret stays safe. As far as my daughter goes have no fear, she started as a freshman and won a dog fight with another girl to secure the starters postion on this same team,she makes a top level club team every year, but unlike your daughter she is not granted a spot because of who I know, she is one of the rare girls on Long Island that has earned her way by hard work, and that lesson will serve her when she goes out into the world without me. How about yours, will you continue to kiss butt even when she is in college sitting on the bench

Get over yourself , you sound like your daughters the only kid on Long Island who deserves her spot, truth is way more kids don not have connections than do.

You either didn't read the entire conversation, and decided to inject your juvenile, uneducated, self serving opinion into a conversation at random. Or you are one of those parents that we're speaking of. My guess is probably a mixture of both. tHe conversation on the outset had nothing to do with my daughter, it was about the child of a whinny sniveling parent such as yourself using there friendships and butt kissing ability to get there daughter on T.G. black, while a more deserving, and quite frankly better purple player was able to beat her out on a H.S. varsity team Or for your slower mind other peoples hard working daughters getting screwed over by people with no integrity ( such as yourself ) Someone asked about my daughter, and I answered. The one thing you wrote that is true is that there are lots of kids like my daughter, and the purple player that work real hard, I bet yours isn't one of them and you do all the hard work for her

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do these two girls go to the same H.S.? If not, you can't compare them, based on when they made varsity.

Even if they do go to the same H.S., do you really think that the H.S. teams don't have politics, friendships, etc?

It was I that wrote the original post , so let me clarify with much apologies. Yes both girls go to the same high school. To be perfectly honest there is a bias, towards a a completely different club that does not have enough players to field a varsity team ( not y.j. or t.g) there is no bias in this coach towards either player, she knew neither girl by name, affiliation, or reputation prior to the freshman year of high school, IMHO this coach has done a good job building team with the resources available to her, and is trying to build a good program, so will play the better player to achieve this goal

So, you think only TG is riddled with politics, and this coach is completely unbiased, with no favorites, etc? Wait until your daughter's playing time diminishes for some reason....it will be favorites again! Good luck!

You must be the parent of one of those politicly advantaged Top Guns players, and thats good for you and your daughter, but don't become bitter because you get called out on it. In this situation the black player was exposed for not being as strong as the purple player, in most cases it doesn't happen and your secret stays safe. As far as my daughter goes have no fear, she started as a freshman and won a dog fight with another girl to secure the starters postion on this same team,she makes a top level club team every year, but unlike your daughter she is not granted a spot because of who I know, she is one of the rare girls on Long Island that has earned her way by hard work, and that lesson will serve her when she goes out into the world without me. How about yours, will you continue to kiss butt even when she is in college sitting on the bench

Get over yourself , you sound like your daughters the only kid on Long Island who deserves her spot, truth is way more kids don not have connections than do.

You either didn't read the entire conversation, and decided to inject your juvenile, uneducated, self serving opinion into a conversation at random. Or you are one of those parents that we're speaking of. My guess is probably a mixture of both. tHe conversation on the outset had nothing to do with my daughter, it was about the child of a whinny sniveling parent such as yourself using there friendships and butt kissing ability to get there daughter on T.G. black, while a more deserving, and quite frankly better purple player was able to beat her out on a H.S. varsity team Or for your slower mind other peoples hard working daughters getting screwed over by people with no integrity ( such as yourself ) Someone asked about my daughter, and I answered. The one thing you wrote that is true is that there are lots of kids like my daughter, and the purple player that work real hard, I bet yours isn't one of them and you do all the hard work for her

I wouldn't pay too much attention to the color of team a girl is on. With the coaching changes if I were a betting person I would wager a fine sum of $$ that the owners know what team will now be considered the "B" team. As someone stated earlier-politics play a role in life, some girls clearly can't keep up and remain on black or purple but now that they are entering high school it will be the coaches job to work around that. Those who are being coached by Andrew will have a National Championship coach who is very competitive and knowledgable. Very lucky young ladies!

Stop complaining. If you�re not happy, go over to YJ and make friends with our favorite overweight Psycho mama bear. I�m sure she can hook you up and get you on a blue team.

" she is not granted a spot because of who I know, she is one of the rare girls on Long Island that has earned her way by hard work,"
So which is it there are lots of girls like your daughter or she is one of the rare ones? You really are a complete moron,get over yourself .Your example with the high school team is ridiculous, maybe the kid who made varsity but plays purple has a connection at the high school, maybe the travel coaches and the high school coach have an honest difference of opinion.You must be one of those nightmare parents on the sideline when one of those kids you feel in your "expert" opinion does not belong makes a mistake.Not everything comes down to politics maybe the kid is just better than yours at lacrosse, barely anyone cares.Rare girls on long island,too funny

I truely believe you both sound like idiots one is talking about young girls and the other about someone that Im sure you dont even know. What is wrong with you two

Originally Posted by Anonymous

" she is not granted a spot because of who I know, she is one of the rare girls on Long Island that has earned her way by hard work,"
So which is it there are lots of girls like your daughter or she is one of the rare ones? You really are a complete moron,get over yourself .Your example with the high school team is ridiculous, maybe the kid who made varsity but plays purple has a connection at the high school, maybe the travel coaches and the high school coach have an honest difference of opinion.You must be one of those nightmare parents on the sideline when one of those kids you feel in your "expert" opinion does not belong makes a mistake.Not everything comes down to politics maybe the kid is just better than yours at lacrosse, barely anyone cares.Rare girls on long island,too funny

And we digress..........

Originally Posted by Anonymous

" she is not granted a spot because of who I know, she is one of the rare girls on Long Island that has earned her way by hard work,"
So which is it there are lots of girls like your daughter or she is one of the rare ones? You really are a complete moron,get over yourself .Your example with the high school team is ridiculous, maybe the kid who made varsity but plays purple has a connection at the high school, maybe the travel coaches and the high school coach have an honest difference of opinion.You must be one of those nightmare parents on the sideline when one of those kids you feel in your "expert" opinion does not belong makes a mistake.Not everything comes down to politics maybe the kid is just better than yours at lacrosse, barely anyone cares.Rare girls on long island,too funny

I see you are a Top Guns Parent through and through, and no matter what anyone says Top guns is the best

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop complaining. If you�re not happy, go over to YJ and make friends with our favorite overweight Psycho mama bear. I�m sure she can hook you up and get you on a blue team.

I'm not quite sure what this means, or what it has to do with this topic. Please explain.

I think a change of topic is sorely needed, so here goes.
What goes on with the rest of you TG parents as far as throwing in the $500 deposit due right away? Sure wish we had the chance to roll dice with other clubs. I am wondering why they wait so long to announce the rosters, is it because people string out the commitment until YJ tryouts?

Will not announce rosters till all the deposits are in

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think a change of topic is sorely needed, so here goes.
What goes on with the rest of you TG parents as far as throwing in the $500 deposit due right away? Sure wish we had the chance to roll dice with other clubs. I am wondering why they wait so long to announce the rosters, is it because people string out the commitment until YJ tryouts?

Yes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think a change of topic is sorely needed, so here goes.
What goes on with the rest of you TG parents as far as throwing in the $500 deposit due right away? Sure wish we had the chance to roll dice with other clubs. I am wondering why they wait so long to announce the rosters, is it because people string out the commitment until YJ tryouts?

Yes

Why do you care what other people do. Make up your mind and move along.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think a change of topic is sorely needed, so here goes.
What goes on with the rest of you TG parents as far as throwing in the $500 deposit due right away? Sure wish we had the chance to roll dice with other clubs. I am wondering why they wait so long to announce the rosters, is it because people string out the commitment until YJ tryouts?

Yes

Why do you care what other people do. Make up your mind and move along.

Exactly...make a decision!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think a change of topic is sorely needed, so here goes.
What goes on with the rest of you TG parents as far as throwing in the $500 deposit due right away? Sure wish we had the chance to roll dice with other clubs. I am wondering why they wait so long to announce the rosters, is it because people string out the commitment until YJ tryouts?

Yes

Why do you care what other people do. Make up your mind and move along.

They want you deposit so you can't go and hedge your bet! Accept your spot on the team you made pay the $500. Then go try out for YJ and if you make a higher team there then you can jump ship and the Smith family will go out to dinner on you!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think a change of topic is sorely needed, so here goes.
What goes on with the rest of you TG parents as far as throwing in the $500 deposit due right away? Sure wish we had the chance to roll dice with other clubs. I am wondering why they wait so long to announce the rosters, is it because people string out the commitment until YJ tryouts?

Yes

Why do you care what other people do. Make up your mind and move along.

They want you deposit so you can't go and hedge your bet! Accept your spot on the team you made pay the $500. Then go try out for YJ and if you make a higher team there then you can jump ship and the Smith family will go out to dinner on you!

Why the need to use the deposit tactic to corner someone? If they have confidence in their product they shouldn't care if a player tries out for 10 teams...right? Ultimately a family should be able to make this decision without pressure from the Smiths, CR or any other club owners or anyone else for that matter. Remember, without us families they have no club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think a change of topic is sorely needed, so here goes.
What goes on with the rest of you TG parents as far as throwing in the $500 deposit due right away? Sure wish we had the chance to roll dice with other clubs. I am wondering why they wait so long to announce the rosters, is it because people string out the commitment until YJ tryouts?

Yes

Why do you care what other people do. Make up your mind and move along.

They want you deposit so you can't go and hedge your bet! Accept your spot on the team you made pay the $500. Then go try out for YJ and if you make a higher team there then you can jump ship and the Smith family will go out to dinner on you!

Can't imagine anyone walking away from a $500 deposit.

If you were that sure of your Daughter's abilities and wanted to change programs you never would try out for Top Guns in the first place. Going into tryouts you know what your choices are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you were that sure of your Daughter's abilities and wanted to change programs you never would try out for Top Guns in the first place. Going into tryouts you know what your choices are.

There's other reasons to choose clubs than your daughter's abilities. Practice location, coach assigned to team, wanting to be with friends. Just sayin'.

Also saying I'm not a fan of the spread out tryout season in lacrosse, or the fact that you are trying out for a team where you may or may not know who the coach is ahead of time. It's hard to make an informed decision when you may not have all the info, and when you are forced to decide before being able to check out all the clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you were that sure of your Daughter's abilities and wanted to change programs you never would try out for Top Guns in the first place. Going into tryouts you know what your choices are.

Wrong. A TG black looking to move is not assured a spot on YJ top or second team even if she may deserve it. You roll the dice and politics become involved.

Why the need to use the deposit tactic to corner someone? If they have confidence in their product they shouldn't care if a player tries out for 10 teams...right? Ultimately a family should be able to make this decision without pressure from the Smiths, CR or any other club owners or anyone else for that matter. Remember, without us families they have no club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why the need to use the deposit tactic to corner someone? If they have confidence in their product they shouldn't care if a player tries out for 10 teams...right? Ultimately a family should be able to make this decision without pressure from the Smiths, CR or any other club owners or anyone else for that matter. Remember, without us families they have no club.

PLEASE .... because its a huge for profit business that we all play in to thats why. This is not volunteer work they ar are doing . HUGE BUSINESS and that why there are new clubs forming everyday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why the need to use the deposit tactic to corner someone? If they have confidence in their product they shouldn't care if a player tries out for 10 teams...right? Ultimately a family should be able to make this decision without pressure from the Smiths, CR or any other club owners or anyone else for that matter. Remember, without us families they have no club.

So following that logic TG should not take deposits and offer roster spots and just hope that the girls show up for the tournaments in June. Remember without players they will not have a club. This is a business people. TG has done it this way for all four years. SS had to hold tryouts early so she could get back to college. It has worked out well. No one is being cornered. You brought your daughter to tryouts it was your choice. Accept the invitation to purple or white or move on. The next girl on the depth chart will gladly take your spot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why the need to use the deposit tactic to corner someone? If they have confidence in their product they shouldn't care if a player tries out for 10 teams...right? Ultimately a family should be able to make this decision without pressure from the Smiths, CR or any other club owners or anyone else for that matter. Remember, without us families they have no club.

So following that logic TG should not take deposits and offer roster spots and just hope that the girls show up for the tournaments in June. Remember without players they will not have a club. This is a business people. TG has done it this way for all four years. SS had to hold tryouts early so she could get back to college. It has worked out well. No one is being cornered. You brought your daughter to tryouts it was your choice. Accept the invitation to purple or white or move on. The next girl on the depth chart will gladly take your spot.

Accepting offer from purple or white not the issue here. Its black player looking to move, not worth risk landing on second blue or whatever they call it. Its a case where if your looking to move you need to secure a spot on black with 500, try out for blue and if you make it walk away from the 500. It is a cornered situation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why the need to use the deposit tactic to corner someone? If they have confidence in their product they shouldn't care if a player tries out for 10 teams...right? Ultimately a family should be able to make this decision without pressure from the Smiths, CR or any other club owners or anyone else for that matter. Remember, without us families they have no club.

So following that logic TG should not take deposits and offer roster spots and just hope that the girls show up for the tournaments in June. Remember without players they will not have a club. This is a business people. TG has done it this way for all four years. SS had to hold tryouts early so she could get back to college. It has worked out well. No one is being cornered. You brought your daughter to tryouts it was your choice. Accept the invitation to purple or white or move on. The next girl on the depth chart will gladly take your spot.

Accepting offer from purple or white not the issue here. Its black player looking to move, not worth risk landing on second blue or whatever they call it. Its a case where if your looking to move you need to secure a spot on black with 500, try out for blue and if you make it walk away from the 500. It is a cornered situation.

You cornered yourself, with your "grass is always greener" logic. Go ahead and move on. Obviously, you have no loyalty to TG's and you're not happy. But, I wouldn't be so sure she'll end up on the "2nd Blue" team. Good chance it'll be the 1st Yellow, with some other TG Black castaways...

There is a certain genius to how TG has this figured out. It is much much easier for them to attract talent. Example, lets say any given player for any given club wants to take a shot at making a TG team, shoot for stars, see the offer come in, if you don't like it, go back to your own club no harm done( loss of 35 dollar tryout fee). Well if you play for TG, that scenario does not exist, unless you want to walk away from the deposit money.

If the white team is as equal as the Purple,then why is purple headed to fall tournaments and the white is not.
BTW,,,,,,,we sent in the check and she will play for Black, again.
We just have good friends who are on Purple.
SAT / ACT scores is where you will find more $$$$$$

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why the need to use the deposit tactic to corner someone? If they have confidence in their product they shouldn't care if a player tries out for 10 teams...right? Ultimately a family should be able to make this decision without pressure from the Smiths, CR or any other club owners or anyone else for that matter. Remember, without us families they have no club.

So following that logic TG should not take deposits and offer roster spots and just hope that the girls show up for the tournaments in June. Remember without players they will not have a club. This is a business people. TG has done it this way for all four years. SS had to hold tryouts early so she could get back to college. It has worked out well. No one is being cornered. You brought your daughter to tryouts it was your choice. Accept the invitation to purple or white or move on. The next girl on the depth chart will gladly take your spot.

Accepting offer from purple or white not the issue here. Its black player looking to move, not worth risk landing on second blue or whatever they call it. Its a case where if your looking to move you need to secure a spot on black with 500, try out for blue and if you make it walk away from the 500. It is a cornered situation.

You cornered yourself, with your "grass is always greener" logic. Go ahead and move on. Obviously, you have no loyalty to TG's and you're not happy. But, I wouldn't be so sure she'll end up on the "2nd Blue" team. Good chance it'll be the 1st Yellow, with some other TG Black castaways...

Bill and Shannon have tryouts when they do and require the deposit now to directly tie down those thinking of another club. From their own mouths by the way. There is no loyalty from their end either. Be careful, your kid who's in her 2nd year on TGs may get tossed aside like several others have.....loyalty......lol

So how does white stack up. Deposits in any practices to get them to gel as soon as possible.

If not, then you know they are not taking as serious as the rest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why the need to use the deposit tactic to corner someone? If they have confidence in their product they shouldn't care if a player tries out for 10 teams...right? Ultimately a family should be able to make this decision without pressure from the Smiths, CR or any other club owners or anyone else for that matter. Remember, without us families they have no club.

So following that logic TG should not take deposits and offer roster spots and just hope that the girls show up for the tournaments in June. Remember without players they will not have a club. This is a business people. TG has done it this way for all four years. SS had to hold tryouts early so she could get back to college. It has worked out well. No one is being cornered. You brought your daughter to tryouts it was your choice. Accept the invitation to purple or white or move on. The next girl on the depth chart will gladly take your spot.

Accepting offer from purple or white not the issue here. Its black player looking to move, not worth risk landing on second blue or whatever they call it. Its a case where if your looking to move you need to secure a spot on black with 500, try out for blue and if you make it walk away from the 500. It is a cornered situation.

You cornered yourself, with your "grass is always greener" logic. Go ahead and move on. Obviously, you have no loyalty to TG's and you're not happy. But, I wouldn't be so sure she'll end up on the "2nd Blue" team. Good chance it'll be the 1st Yellow, with some other TG Black castaways...

Bill and Shannon have tryouts when they do and require the deposit now to directly tie down those thinking of another club. From their own mouths by the way. There is no loyalty from their end either. Be careful, your kid who's in her 2nd year on TGs may get tossed aside like several others have.....loyalty......lol

Everyone knows thats how it works, when you decide to tryout. Now they can also set the teams up for fall. It's not her 2nd year, but thanks for the warning, and good luck wherever you end up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how does white stack up. Deposits in any practices to get them to gel as soon as possible.

If not, then you know they are not taking as serious as the rest.

Last year, the black and purple teams that I knew of didn't practice in the fall either. They started with fall tournaments, then winter league, then practices started up in the spring. So if white doesn't practice right away, it might not mean they're not being taken seriously. You might have to wait a little longer to find that out, is all I'm saying. Hopefully, they're taken seriously (I think they will be, based on 2018 white), and they're competitive, and the girls gel, and have fun. Good luck!

They did it early knowing the player who was a solid YJ blue player would not show up or switch over but hoping that some of the fringe blue and second teams would show up because they were almost guaranteed to make TG black and that is exactly what happened. Most of your best kids still play YJ because they know they will be placed on YJ top team ,may change in future but has not yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They did it early knowing the player who was a solid YJ blue player would not show up or switch over but hoping that some of the fringe blue and second teams would show up because they were almost guaranteed to make TG black and that is exactly what happened. Most of your best kids still play YJ because they know they will be placed on YJ top team ,may change in future but has not yet.

The best players are equally split between YJ and TG. That is why TG are as good or better than YJ teams in half the age groups. It has happened and is trending away from YJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They did it early knowing the player who was a solid YJ blue player would not show up or switch over but hoping that some of the fringe blue and second teams would show up because they were almost guaranteed to make TG black and that is exactly what happened. Most of your best kids still play YJ because they know they will be placed on YJ top team ,may change in future but has not yet.

So what happened to the previous black players and what year are you talking about?

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Read and enjoy!

So if Purple and White are Equal, then tell me why White is not going to any of the fall Tournaments ?

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if Purple and White are Equal, then tell me why White is not going to any of the fall Tournaments ?

I don't think they're equal, but are you talking about 2017?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if Purple and White are Equal, then tell me why White is not going to any of the fall Tournaments ?

What fall tournaments? Has any info gone out

The Fall Tourney schedule is supposed to be out this weekend It is for the 2017 2016 & 2015 years

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Keep paying for those private lessons.

Yes 2017, I only state this as someone previously told me I knew nothing about the White team and how and why it was created, the reasons to create the White team is simple:

1. REVENUE !!!!!!!
2. They are only in 9th grade, take them in and if they turn into a stud player,,, BINGO if not,,,,,refer to reason #1 (REVENUE!!!!)
Any other reasons someone may think of needs to see the forest from the trees.

As to earlier posts about LOYALTY,,,,,,,please give me a break,,,,,they want your money,,,,, most 2017 players purple players have been around for years, when the team needed to improve and asked for a second practice each week where was the Loyalty when each player had to show up with CASH.
The Smiths are running a business and feel you should be loyal to their product.
They are Loyal to the Ben Franklin's they are stashing away.

I am not complaining here, just being a realist, let the girls go out and work hard but also sign them up for the PSAT class and sign them up for community service programs, in other words don't put all your eggs in the Lax basket folks or your in for a rude awakening and something your daughter will live with.

THere is a lot more opportunity for WIS (Woman in Science)

Best of Luck to all of you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes 2017, I only state this as someone previously told me I knew nothing about the White team and how and why it was created, the reasons to create the White team is simple:

1. REVENUE !!!!!!!
2. They are only in 9th grade, take them in and if they turn into a stud player,,, BINGO if not,,,,,refer to reason #1 (REVENUE!!!!)
Any other reasons someone may think of needs to see the forest from the trees.

As to earlier posts about LOYALTY,,,,,,,please give me a break,,,,,they want your money,,,,, most 2017 players purple players have been around for years, when the team needed to improve and asked for a second practice each week where was the Loyalty when each player had to show up with CASH.
The Smiths are running a business and feel you should be loyal to their product.
They are Loyal to the Ben Franklin's they are stashing away.

I am not complaining here, just being a realist, let the girls go out and work hard but also sign them up for the PSAT class and sign them up for community service programs, in other words don't put all your eggs in the Lax basket folks or your in for a rude awakening and something your daughter will live with.

THere is a lot more opportunity for WIS (Woman in Science)

Best of Luck to all of you.

Yes, it's a business, just like ALL the other travel programs. I hope everyone knows that by now. My daughter's team also paid for extra practices, and I don't have a problem with that. You want them for free? Then all the teams have to be offered extra practices for free...like you said - it's a business. Let's move on, and also like you said - good luck to all the girls! Have fun at the fall 7v7's, and in the winter leagues!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes 2017, I only state this as someone previously told me I knew nothing about the White team and how and why it was created, the reasons to create the White team is simple:

1. REVENUE !!!!!!!
2. They are only in 9th grade, take them in and if they turn into a stud player,,, BINGO if not,,,,,refer to reason #1 (REVENUE!!!!)
Any other reasons someone may think of needs to see the forest from the trees.

As to earlier posts about LOYALTY,,,,,,,please give me a break,,,,,they want your money,,,,, most 2017 players purple players have been around for years, when the team needed to improve and asked for a second practice each week where was the Loyalty when each player had to show up with CASH.
The Smiths are running a business and feel you should be loyal to their product.
They are Loyal to the Ben Franklin's they are stashing away.

I am not complaining here, just being a realist, let the girls go out and work hard but also sign them up for the PSAT class and sign them up for community service programs, in other words don't put all your eggs in the Lax basket folks or your in for a rude awakening and something your daughter will live with.

THere is a lot more opportunity for WIS (Woman in Science)

Best of Luck to all of you.

Yes, it's a business, just like ALL the other travel programs. I hope everyone knows that by now. My daughter's team also paid for extra practices, and I don't have a problem with that. You want them for free? Then all the teams have to be offered extra practices for free...like you said - it's a business. Let's move on, and also like you said - good luck to all the girls! Have fun at the fall 7v7's, and in the winter leagues!

I have 2 daughters who play YJ. They have both had extra practices and I have never ever been charged.

YJ teams don't pay for extra practices!! My daughters team had 2 a week and I didn't pay for any of it!

YJ, 91, Express and Elevate have 2 a week, how many does TG,,,,,we just made a team and thats a pretty important fact that honestly I overlooked.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJ teams don't pay for extra practices!! My daughters team had 2 a week and I didn't pay for any of it!

Congratulations! A friend of mine's daughter is on YJ, and they have plenty of practices, with a parent coach though. They don't need to charge, because they don't pay parent coaches. He was hoping for a new coach this year, but no luck. Many pros and cons to every program. Obviously, you've decided that YJ is best for you and your daughter, which is great. Best of luck to her, and have fun!

What role does politics and connections play in this club????

You actually pay for extra practices, I hope you are only paying for renting a place to practice ie indoor space. If any of that money is going into your coaches pockets you would have to be ridiculous to pay for it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You actually pay for extra practices, I hope you are only paying for renting a place to practice ie indoor space. If any of that money is going into your coaches pockets you would have to be ridiculous to pay for it.

Every program doesn't offer unlimited practices for the original base fee. Sometimes you have to pay for space and coaching. Each program announces how many practices, and then you get some extra, and sometimes you have pony up. Every program is not for everyone. Everyone has to find the one that's best for them...money is much more of an issue for some people than others. some have no problem paying, and some do. Whatever...as long as each family gets what it's looking for, one way or another...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You actually pay for extra practices, I hope you are only paying for renting a place to practice ie indoor space. If any of that money is going into your coaches pockets you would have to be ridiculous to pay for it.

As opposed to paying for lessons from one of CR's girls who happen to be charging you $75 an hour. What a joke. But a guess one must do what one must do to stay on blue. Now that is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You actually pay for extra practices, I hope you are only paying for renting a place to practice ie indoor space. If any of that money is going into your coaches pockets you would have to be ridiculous to pay for it.

Paid coaches shouldn't be paid for conducting "Extra" practices?? Why not??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You actually pay for extra practices, I hope you are only paying for renting a place to practice ie indoor space. If any of that money is going into your coaches pockets you would have to be ridiculous to pay for it.

Paid coaches shouldn't be paid for conducting "Extra" practices?? Why not??

Many reasons why not but I will give you a couple
1 If you have a family on a tight budget they should know the cost of being on a team beforehand
2. Now you have set up a situation where Bill Smith has no oversight and he will end up having coaches being paid whatever they feel is fair for their time and not what he feels is fair
3 if your paid high school coach charged kids for Saturday practices would you have an issue w it

If your coach is pocketing money for extra practices for the team you should let bill smith know because he is going to want a piece of that as he should because it is his club not the coaches

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You actually pay for extra practices, I hope you are only paying for renting a place to practice ie indoor space. If any of that money is going into your coaches pockets you would have to be ridiculous to pay for it.

Paid coaches shouldn't be paid for conducting "Extra" practices?? Why not??

Many reasons why not but I will give you a couple
1 If you have a family on a tight budget they should know the cost of being on a team beforehand
2. Now you have set up a situation where Bill Smith has no oversight and he will end up having coaches being paid whatever they feel is fair for their time and not what he feels is fair
3 if your paid high school coach charged kids for Saturday practices would you have an issue w it

If your coach is pocketing money for extra practices for the team you should let bill smith know because he is going to want a piece of that as he should because it is his club not the coaches

1. the extra practices are optional, so no need to impact family budget
2. BS makes the arrangements, sets the price, and pays the coaches
3. HS is completely different than travel

My close friend tells me that one of the 2017 Goalies is a 2018 grad year player.
Do teams normally let girls play up and if that were the case why wouldn't BS play his niece who is a 2018 grad up as she is highly regarded. What happens when the 2017 girls graduate, where does this goalie go for her last year ?
I see this mixing of years as a potential problem for the girl who is brought up or some poor kid playing 2018 and is booted her last year to bring this girl down to her actual graduating year. Is there rules for this as I know there is movement at the U15 tournament but was not aware this could go on during the summer travel season.
If BS would not move his niece up, who is a better goalie than this new girl then if I were the Goalie who was getting moved up parents I would be concerned and asking questions. I get it that goalies are not easy to come by but where does this stop,,,,,,,like the u15 do they start mixing teams by birth date and not graduating year.
We like the club but this has a few of us raising our eyebrows about what the main objective is here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You actually pay for extra practices, I hope you are only paying for renting a place to practice ie indoor space. If any of that money is going into your coaches pockets you would have to be ridiculous to pay for it.

Paid coaches shouldn't be paid for conducting "Extra" practices?? Why not??

Many reasons why not but I will give you a couple
1 If you have a family on a tight budget they should know the cost of being on a team beforehand
2. Now you have set up a situation where Bill Smith has no oversight and he will end up having coaches being paid whatever they feel is fair for their time and not what he feels is fair
3 if your paid high school coach charged kids for Saturday practices would you have an issue w it

If your coach is pocketing money for extra practices for the team you should let bill smith know because he is going to want a piece of that as he should because it is his club not the coaches

1. the extra practices are optional, so no need to impact family budget
2. BS makes the arrangements, sets the price, and pays the coaches
3. HS is completely different than travel

Not true on my team as we pay the coach directly and if you think who goes has no bearing on playing time you are wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You actually pay for extra practices, I hope you are only paying for renting a place to practice ie indoor space. If any of that money is going into your coaches pockets you would have to be ridiculous to pay for it.

Paid coaches shouldn't be paid for conducting "Extra" practices?? Why not??

Many reasons why not but I will give you a couple
1 If you have a family on a tight budget they should know the cost of being on a team beforehand
2. Now you have set up a situation where Bill Smith has no oversight and he will end up having coaches being paid whatever they feel is fair for their time and not what he feels is fair
3 if your paid high school coach charged kids for Saturday practices would you have an issue w it

If your coach is pocketing money for extra practices for the team you should let bill smith know because he is going to want a piece of that as he should because it is his club not the coaches

1. the extra practices are optional, so no need to impact family budget
2. BS makes the arrangements, sets the price, and pays the coaches
3. HS is completely different than travel

Not true on my team as we pay the coach directly and if you think who goes has no bearing on playing time you are wrong.

I guess each team is different. You might be paying the coach directly, but I'm sure BS is involved in setting the price. The original post said that the coaches are doing it on their own without his oversight. I doubt that. I never said practice and dedication don't affect playing time. Again, that's different for each team, and each player. Just said it doesn't have to impact the family budget. Just like fall tournaments and winter league, extra training, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You actually pay for extra practices, I hope you are only paying for renting a place to practice ie indoor space. If any of that money is going into your coaches pockets you would have to be ridiculous to pay for it.

Paid coaches shouldn't be paid for conducting "Extra" practices?? Why not??

Many reasons why not but I will give you a couple
1 If you have a family on a tight budget they should know the cost of being on a team beforehand
2. Now you have set up a situation where Bill Smith has no oversight and he will end up having coaches being paid whatever they feel is fair for their time and not what he feels is fair
3 if your paid high school coach charged kids for Saturday practices would you have an issue w it

If your coach is pocketing money for extra practices for the team you should let bill smith know because he is going to want a piece of that as he should because it is his club not the coaches

1. the extra practices are optional, so no need to impact family budget
2. BS makes the arrangements, sets the price, and pays the coaches
3. HS is completely different than travel

Not true on my team as we pay the coach directly and if you think who goes has no bearing on playing time you are wrong.

I guess each team is different. You might be paying the coach directly, but I'm sure BS is involved in setting the price. The original post said that the coaches are doing it on their own without his oversight. I doubt that. I never said practice and dedication don't affect playing time. Again, that's different for each team, and each player. Just said it doesn't have to impact the family budget. Just like fall tournaments and winter league, extra training, etc.

If it does affect playing time that is wrong, you may have a kids family who selected to play TG who takes the budget aspect into account and now finds they are getting less playing time because they are perceived as" less dedicated ".The pay more play more aspect of lacrosse is wrong and yes it is the case with most clubs, was hoping TG would be different.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My close friend tells me that one of the 2017 Goalies is a 2018 grad year player.
Do teams normally let girls play up and if that were the case why wouldn't BS play his niece who is a 2018 grad up as she is highly regarded. What happens when the 2017 girls graduate, where does this goalie go for her last year ?
I see this mixing of years as a potential problem for the girl who is brought up or some poor kid playing 2018 and is booted her last year to bring this girl down to her actual graduating year. Is there rules for this as I know there is movement at the U15 tournament but was not aware this could go on during the summer travel season.
If BS would not move his niece up, who is a better goalie than this new girl then if I were the Goalie who was getting moved up parents I would be concerned and asking questions. I get it that goalies are not easy to come by but where does this stop,,,,,,,like the u15 do they start mixing teams by birth date and not graduating year.
We like the club but this has a few of us raising our eyebrows about what the main objective is here.

Was that an 2018 goalie for last summer or are you talking about this as a move for next summer? 2018 had 4 goalies for three teams last year. That's a tough position with all the politics that go on. One team had two goalies splitting time while the other two teams did not, seems very unfair to both of them and one of them may very well be a top goalie for the age group.

If all the goalies involved are good enough to play on the top team then it will make no difference when this kid moves to their proper age in that most likely when that time does come those kids will already be committed. Goalie is really the position that this happens a lot and having two goalie on a team is really ideal for many reasons.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My close friend tells me that one of the 2017 Goalies is a 2018 grad year player.
Do teams normally let girls play up and if that were the case why wouldn't BS play his niece who is a 2018 grad up as she is highly regarded. What happens when the 2017 girls graduate, where does this goalie go for her last year ?
I see this mixing of years as a potential problem for the girl who is brought up or some poor kid playing 2018 and is booted her last year to bring this girl down to her actual graduating year. Is there rules for this as I know there is movement at the U15 tournament but was not aware this could go on during the summer travel season.
If BS would not move his niece up, who is a better goalie than this new girl then if I were the Goalie who was getting moved up parents I would be concerned and asking questions. I get it that goalies are not easy to come by but where does this stop,,,,,,,like the u15 do they start mixing teams by birth date and not graduating year.
We like the club but this has a few of us raising our eyebrows about what the main objective is here.

Was that an 2018 goalie for last summer or are you talking about this as a move for next summer? 2018 had 4 goalies for three teams last year. That's a tough position with all the politics that go on. One team had two goalies splitting time while the other two teams did not, seems very unfair to both of them and one of them may very well be a top goalie for the age group.

Refering to this coming year, a 2018 graduate will play for 2017 Purple, the girl is new to Top Guns. If the Goalie is good enough to play up a year why would she not just stay in her own year and play on Black, the reason for this is pretty simple, BS niece is the 2018 Black goalie and she is not going to share time with anyone it appears. Very few teams have the luxury of two goalies but here is an opportunity to have two solid goalies on one team and it is not being handled that way.
The best 2016 YJ goalie is Charlette Campbell a St. Anthony's student and about as good a High School Goalie as you will find. She splits time with another Goalie on that team. That team gets a lot of looks from Colleges and both those Goalies are showcased, and in the proper year.
It seems to be allowed but I just think it is done without the best interest of the player as no one is walking around tournaments stating the kid is playing up a year and its not like you have this player on a Black team.
This goalie is good enough to move up but likely by being on Purple never get to go with a team to U15.

The way they should handle it is have a goalie for each team and let the extra goalie float between the three teams so they all get even time. Right now the black and white goalies get all the time in net and the two purples get half the time. Or maybe cut the fees in half for them (yeah right).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My close friend tells me that one of the 2017 Goalies is a 2018 grad year player.
Do teams normally let girls play up and if that were the case why wouldn't BS play his niece who is a 2018 grad up as she is highly regarded. What happens when the 2017 girls graduate, where does this goalie go for her last year ?
I see this mixing of years as a potential problem for the girl who is brought up or some poor kid playing 2018 and is booted her last year to bring this girl down to her actual graduating year. Is there rules for this as I know there is movement at the U15 tournament but was not aware this could go on during the summer travel season.
If BS would not move his niece up, who is a better goalie than this new girl then if I were the Goalie who was getting moved up parents I would be concerned and asking questions. I get it that goalies are not easy to come by but where does this stop,,,,,,,like the u15 do they start mixing teams by birth date and not graduating year.
We like the club but this has a few of us raising our eyebrows about what the main objective is here.

Was that an 2018 goalie for last summer or are you talking about this as a move for next summer? 2018 had 4 goalies for three teams last year. That's a tough position with all the politics that go on. One team had two goalies splitting time while the other two teams did not, seems very unfair to both of them and one of them may very well be a top goalie for the age group.

Refering to this coming year, a 2018 graduate will play for 2017 Purple, the girl is new to Top Guns. If the Goalie is good enough to play up a year why would she not just stay in her own year and play on Black, the reason for this is pretty simple, BS niece is the 2018 Black goalie and she is not going to share time with anyone it appears. Very few teams have the luxury of two goalies but here is an opportunity to have two solid goalies on one team and it is not being handled that way.
The best 2016 YJ goalie is Charlette Campbell a St. Anthony's student and about as good a High School Goalie as you will find. She splits time with another Goalie on that team. That team gets a lot of looks from Colleges and both those Goalies are showcased, and in the proper year.
It seems to be allowed but I just think it is done without the best interest of the player as no one is walking around tournaments stating the kid is playing up a year and its not like you have this player on a Black team.
This goalie is good enough to move up but likely by being on Purple never get to go with a team to U15.

Both 2018 goalies (not 2016 like YJ goalie) are better off getting twice the playing time and probably facing more than twice the number of shots,than if they played on the same team. The one playing up will start getting exposure one year earlier, and she'll get re-evaluated each year. If she's that good, she won't get overlooked, and BS & SS won't hesitate to bring her to U15, if she's good enough.

does anyone know when rosters will be out?

Good question. I would hope soon since the deadline was yesterday to secure the spot on the teams with the $500 payment.

As a new parent to Top Guns do they usually send out any type of welcoming email to the individual teams and parents listing coaches, expectations, fall/winter plans?

Thanks.

you will receive email about optional winter leagues late oct. early november. 2015,2016,and I believe 2017 should receive info about fall tournaments within a short time. As for coaches I believe that was in the original email

I think it's official, Top Guns and Yellow Jackets are the same club with different colors. Same politics, same complaints, same obnoxious parents.

As a proud TG parent, I find that statement very rude. The parents that we have met are very nice people

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a proud TG parent, I find that statement very rude. The parents that we have met are very nice people

He should have stated not all the parents but there are a handful and the apple has not fallen far from the tree as some of the girls have a bit of a chip.
This goes far beyond club lacrosse though and the best I can say is consider the source.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it's official, Top Guns and Yellow Jackets are the same club with different colors. Same politics, same complaints, same obnoxious parents.

Very well said.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it's official, Top Guns and Yellow Jackets are the same club with different colors. Same politics, same complaints, same obnoxious parents.

Very well said.

That's not well said - it's a dumb, generic comment.

It is the case TG seems to be more YJ like every year and why wouldn't it as the Smiths are obviously following CR game plan,except for the horrible uniforms.In both organizations money is the main factor followed by politics.If anyone in these clubs doubts this they are fooling themselves.The main difference I have seen between the parents is that YJ parents have come to accept this while many TG parents do not want to believe it, although it seems even they are starting to see the reality of it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is the case TG seems to be more YJ like every year and why wouldn't it as the Smiths are obviously following CR game plan,except for the horrible uniforms.In both organizations money is the main factor followed by politics.If anyone in these clubs doubts this they are fooling themselves.The main difference I have seen between the parents is that YJ parents have come to accept this while many TG parents do not want to believe it, although it seems even they are starting to see the reality of it.

Where does your daughter play? Top Guns?

I think each parent of a child (and the child herself) that has a daughter in any lax organization has to evaluate for themselves is this right for them (financially, travel time, teammate wise, playing time, politics etc.). If you join and and don't like how its being run...you leave at the end of the year, pretty simple. No one is forcing me to have my daughter join anything my wife and I make those decisions. Your probably not wrong in your assessment but we are paying so its up to us as parents to see if it works or not for our children.

I don't endorse any organization even though my daughter just joined TG this year and i am a new parent to travel lax so i have no allegiance to anyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a proud TG parent, I find that statement very rude. The parents that we have met are very nice people

He should have stated not all the parents but there are a handful and the apple has not fallen far from the tree as some of the girls have a bit of a chip.
This goes far beyond club lacrosse though and the best I can say is consider the source.

Those handful are the idiots that have their kids play on town teams that they don�t belong on. Last year I listened to two of these moms ( big phonies by the way) complain about the level of talent and volume of kids on their own town team, so they moved them to another town team where the talent is a lot stronger (This team rarely loses). Sure enough at tryouts, they were talking about joining the same town team again. I�m wondering if my kid can join this other team, because her town team isn�t that solid. I�m sure parents on both town teams can�t stand these people.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it's official, Top Guns and Yellow Jackets are the same club with different colors. Same politics, same complaints, same obnoxious parents.

Very well said.

That's not well said - it's a dumb, generic comment.

sorry bill but it's not dumb or generic, it's the truth

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it's official, Top Guns and Yellow Jackets are the same club with different colors. Same politics, same complaints, same obnoxious parents.

Very well said.

That's not well said - it's a dumb, generic comment.

sorry bill but it's not dumb or generic, it's the truth

you're just another one of those obnoxious parents you're complaining about. where does your daughter play?

I took my daughter to the 2018 Top Gun tryout last month and when I got there I was impressed on how organized they were. Little did I know what I was in for. My daughter and just about her whole current team came down to tryout that day in the hopes of making one of the teams. Wouldn't you know that NOT ONE GIRL MADE ANY TEAM. Billy's response was that "They miss a few every now and then".
Granted, some of the girls just cant play at a high level and I get that, but Bill Smith missed the boat on several top players who just recently tried out for another top lacrosse program and made that Lacrosse clubs A and B teams. These girls are good athletic LAX players and Bill and Shannon let a college friendship control a tryout.
After looking into it, we the parents discovered that Shannon apparently played LAX at Northwestern with our coach. Was it a coincidence that not 1 player made any team?? They took 15 kids $35 per kid and had NO INTENTIONS OF ANY OF THOSE GIRLS TO MAKE ANY OF THE TEAMS. Its disgusting what they did to these girls.
Im so glad my daughter IS NOT PLAYING FOR TOP GUN. Talk about politics and who you know. The only ones here who get punished are the 13 year old girls. Shame on you Bill and Shannon..Shame..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took my daughter to the 2018 Top Gun tryout last month and when I got there I was impressed on how organized they were. Little did I know what I was in for. My daughter and just about her whole current team came down to tryout that day in the hopes of making one of the teams. Wouldn't you know that NOT ONE GIRL MADE ANY TEAM. Billy's response was that "They miss a few every now and then".
Granted, some of the girls just cant play at a high level and I get that, but Bill Smith missed the boat on several top players who just recently tried out for another top lacrosse program and made that Lacrosse clubs A and B teams. These girls are good athletic LAX players and Bill and Shannon let a college friendship control a tryout.
After looking into it, we the parents discovered that Shannon apparently played LAX at Northwestern with our coach. Was it a coincidence that not 1 player made any team?? They took 15 kids $35 per kid and had NO INTENTIONS OF ANY OF THOSE GIRLS TO MAKE ANY OF THE TEAMS. Its disgusting what they did to these girls.
Im so glad my daughter IS NOT PLAYING FOR TOP GUN. Talk about politics and who you know. The only ones here who get punished are the 13 year old girls. Shame on you Bill and Shannon..Shame..

There's always some conspiracy, or behind the scenes reason that girls don't make it....another mystery solved!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took my daughter to the 2018 Top Gun tryout last month and when I got there I was impressed on how organized they were. Little did I know what I was in for. My daughter and just about her whole current team came down to tryout that day in the hopes of making one of the teams. Wouldn't you know that NOT ONE GIRL MADE ANY TEAM. Billy's response was that "They miss a few every now and then".
Granted, some of the girls just cant play at a high level and I get that, but Bill Smith missed the boat on several top players who just recently tried out for another top lacrosse program and made that Lacrosse clubs A and B teams. These girls are good athletic LAX players and Bill and Shannon let a college friendship control a tryout.
After looking into it, we the parents discovered that Shannon apparently played LAX at Northwestern with our coach. Was it a coincidence that not 1 player made any team?? They took 15 kids $35 per kid and had NO INTENTIONS OF ANY OF THOSE GIRLS TO MAKE ANY OF THE TEAMS. Its disgusting what they did to these girls.
Im so glad my daughter IS NOT PLAYING FOR TOP GUN. Talk about politics and who you know. The only ones here who get punished are the 13 year old girls. Shame on you Bill and Shannon..Shame..

Oh yeah, he missed the boat. I'm sure they had good reasons. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took my daughter to the 2018 Top Gun tryout last month and when I got there I was impressed on how organized they were. Little did I know what I was in for. My daughter and just about her whole current team came down to tryout that day in the hopes of making one of the teams. Wouldn't you know that NOT ONE GIRL MADE ANY TEAM. Billy's response was that "They miss a few every now and then".
Granted, some of the girls just cant play at a high level and I get that, but Bill Smith missed the boat on several top players who just recently tried out for another top lacrosse program and made that Lacrosse clubs A and B teams. These girls are good athletic LAX players and Bill and Shannon let a college friendship control a tryout.
After looking into it, we the parents discovered that Shannon apparently played LAX at Northwestern with our coach. Was it a coincidence that not 1 player made any team?? They took 15 kids $35 per kid and had NO INTENTIONS OF ANY OF THOSE GIRLS TO MAKE ANY OF THE TEAMS. Its disgusting what they did to these girls.
Im so glad my daughter IS NOT PLAYING FOR TOP GUN. Talk about politics and who you know. The only ones here who get punished are the 13 year old girls. Shame on you Bill and Shannon..Shame..

Oh yeah, he missed the boat. I'm sure they had good reasons. Good luck.

It�s no better on the YJ side. They have a Friends and Family package that guarantees you a spot on the Blue team regardless of your skill level. There are kids on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th teams that are better than the kids that play on the last string on the Blue team, but because they�re not a friend of the coach or have some kind of family connection to another coach, they don�t make the team. The only difference between TG and YJ is that CR keeps adding more teams each year, so if you tryout there, you�ll probably make a team. Good Luck

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took my daughter to the 2018 Top Gun tryout last month and when I got there I was impressed on how organized they were. Little did I know what I was in for. My daughter and just about her whole current team came down to tryout that day in the hopes of making one of the teams. Wouldn't you know that NOT ONE GIRL MADE ANY TEAM. Billy's response was that "They miss a few every now and then".
Granted, some of the girls just cant play at a high level and I get that, but Bill Smith missed the boat on several top players who just recently tried out for another top lacrosse program and made that Lacrosse clubs A and B teams. These girls are good athletic LAX players and Bill and Shannon let a college friendship control a tryout.
After looking into it, we the parents discovered that Shannon apparently played LAX at Northwestern with our coach. Was it a coincidence that not 1 player made any team?? They took 15 kids $35 per kid and had NO INTENTIONS OF ANY OF THOSE GIRLS TO MAKE ANY OF THE TEAMS. Its disgusting what they did to these girls.
Im so glad my daughter IS NOT PLAYING FOR TOP GUN. Talk about politics and who you know. The only ones here who get punished are the 13 year old girls. Shame on you Bill and Shannon..Shame..

Or maybe, just maybe, it's not a conspiracy and they are actually better evaluators of talent than mommies and daddies?

My daughter has tried out for every major club team on L.I. Y.J. , T.G. 91 , Express, Suffolk All Stars and Liberty, and I can tell you that without a question only the last club runs a truly unbiased tryout. Many people will say that the director only pulls from her home school and is biased to those girls, but the truth is if you had a talent pool like that you would also pull from it at the same rate. I have seen the director drop girls to the second team and even cut girls from her home school, that is what the doubters from outside the club don't see and where there comments show there ignorance. With there tryout still to come in October I implore any parent that is tired of the T.G. Y.J. politics to attend there tryout, If you think your daughter is a good player she stands her best chance of making an "A" team at this club. I assure you that the director and coaches are as unbiased as possible. I have no monetary alliance to this club, I do not coach for this club, I do not live in that school district, I am just a very happy consumer of her product and would like to see her club progress with the best players from all over Long Island,.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took my daughter to the 2018 Top Gun tryout last month and when I got there I was impressed on how organized they were. Little did I know what I was in for. My daughter and just about her whole current team came down to tryout that day in the hopes of making one of the teams. Wouldn't you know that NOT ONE GIRL MADE ANY TEAM. Billy's response was that "They miss a few every now and then".
Granted, some of the girls just cant play at a high level and I get that, but Bill Smith missed the boat on several top players who just recently tried out for another top lacrosse program and made that Lacrosse clubs A and B teams. These girls are good athletic LAX players and Bill and Shannon let a college friendship control a tryout.
After looking into it, we the parents discovered that Shannon apparently played LAX at Northwestern with our coach. Was it a coincidence that not 1 player made any team?? They took 15 kids $35 per kid and had NO INTENTIONS OF ANY OF THOSE GIRLS TO MAKE ANY OF THE TEAMS. Its disgusting what they did to these girls.
Im so glad my daughter IS NOT PLAYING FOR TOP GUN. Talk about politics and who you know. The only ones here who get punished are the 13 year old girls. Shame on you Bill and Shannon..Shame..

Or maybe, just maybe, it's not a conspiracy and they are actually better evaluators of talent than mommies and daddies?

just because Shannon can play does not make Bill or her brother good evaluators

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took my daughter to the 2018 Top Gun tryout last month and when I got there I was impressed on how organized they were. Little did I know what I was in for. My daughter and just about her whole current team came down to tryout that day in the hopes of making one of the teams. Wouldn't you know that NOT ONE GIRL MADE ANY TEAM. Billy's response was that "They miss a few every now and then".
Granted, some of the girls just cant play at a high level and I get that, but Bill Smith missed the boat on several top players who just recently tried out for another top lacrosse program and made that Lacrosse clubs A and B teams. These girls are good athletic LAX players and Bill and Shannon let a college friendship control a tryout.
After looking into it, we the parents discovered that Shannon apparently played LAX at Northwestern with our coach. Was it a coincidence that not 1 player made any team?? They took 15 kids $35 per kid and had NO INTENTIONS OF ANY OF THOSE GIRLS TO MAKE ANY OF THE TEAMS. Its disgusting what they did to these girls.
Im so glad my daughter IS NOT PLAYING FOR TOP GUN. Talk about politics and who you know. The only ones here who get punished are the 13 year old girls. Shame on you Bill and Shannon..Shame..

Or maybe, just maybe, it's not a conspiracy and they are actually better evaluators of talent than mommies and daddies?

just because Shannon can play does not make Bill or her brother good evaluators

I think the TGs attract very good talent, I think the smiths serious lack real ability to sort it out. Have seen way too many examples to chalk up to politics. In the end they still put a strong team together just by being half right with the great talent that shows up.

"Or maybe, just maybe, it's not a conspiracy and they are actually better evaluators of talent than mommies and daddies?"
LOL. You missed the point. These girls HAD NO CHANCE TO MAKE TOP GUN, whether they are A players or C players. Shannon wasnt taking them. And 3 of those girls can play anywhere. Mommy and Daddy went elsewhere and their kids made the A and B teams of a top notch Lacrosse Team. All we as parents ask for is the truth. Bill and Shannon know what they did...
Shannon and Bill let friendship get in the way of honesty...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter has tried out for every major club team on L.I. Y.J. , T.G. 91 , Express, Suffolk All Stars and Liberty, and I can tell you that without a question only the last club runs a truly unbiased tryout. Many people will say that the director only pulls from her home school and is biased to those girls, but the truth is if you had a talent pool like that you would also pull from it at the same rate. I have seen the director drop girls to the second team and even cut girls from her home school, that is what the doubters from outside the club don't see and where there comments show there ignorance. With there tryout still to come in October I implore any parent that is tired of the T.G. Y.J. politics to attend there tryout, If you think your daughter is a good player she stands her best chance of making an "A" team at this club. I assure you that the director and coaches are as unbiased as possible. I have no monetary alliance to this club, I do not coach for this club, I do not live in that school district, I am just a very happy consumer of her product and would like to see her club progress with the best players from all over Long Island,.

Sounds funny and desperate, at the same time. Advertising for Liberty on the TG site, "good" players making "A" teams, "as unbiased as possible", hoping for her club to progress...Keep trying out, you actually missed a few clubs. You must be sooo busy during tryouts!

Shannon over saw entire tryout process

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter has tried out for every major club team on L.I. Y.J. , T.G. 91 , Express, Suffolk All Stars and Liberty, and I can tell you that without a question only the last club runs a truly unbiased tryout. Many people will say that the director only pulls from her home school and is biased to those girls, but the truth is if you had a talent pool like that you would also pull from it at the same rate. I have seen the director drop girls to the second team and even cut girls from her home school, that is what the doubters from outside the club don't see and where there comments show there ignorance. With there tryout still to come in October I implore any parent that is tired of the T.G. Y.J. politics to attend there tryout, If you think your daughter is a good player she stands her best chance of making an "A" team at this club. I assure you that the director and coaches are as unbiased as possible. I have no monetary alliance to this club, I do not coach for this club, I do not live in that school district, I am just a very happy consumer of her product and would like to see her club progress with the best players from all over Long Island,.

No offense but your club is barely competitive and even though I am not a fan I have seen many girls on YJ from CR home town get moved down a team or to so not really a big deal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took my daughter to the 2018 Top Gun tryout last month and when I got there I was impressed on how organized they were. Little did I know what I was in for. My daughter and just about her whole current team came down to tryout that day in the hopes of making one of the teams. Wouldn't you know that NOT ONE GIRL MADE ANY TEAM. Billy's response was that "They miss a few every now and then".
Granted, some of the girls just cant play at a high level and I get that, but Bill Smith missed the boat on several top players who just recently tried out for another top lacrosse program and made that Lacrosse clubs A and B teams. These girls are good athletic LAX players and Bill and Shannon let a college friendship control a tryout.
After looking into it, we the parents discovered that Shannon apparently played LAX at Northwestern with our coach. Was it a coincidence that not 1 player made any team?? They took 15 kids $35 per kid and had NO INTENTIONS OF ANY OF THOSE GIRLS TO MAKE ANY OF THE TEAMS. Its disgusting what they did to these girls.
Im so glad my daughter IS NOT PLAYING FOR TOP GUN. Talk about politics and who you know. The only ones here who get punished are the 13 year old girls. Shame on you Bill and Shannon..Shame..

Oh yeah, he missed the boat. I'm sure they had good reasons. Good luck.

It�s no better on the YJ side. They have a Friends and Family package that guarantees you a spot on the Blue team regardless of your skill level. There are kids on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th teams that are better than the kids that play on the last string on the Blue team, but because they�re not a friend of the coach or have some kind of family connection to another coach, they don�t make the team. The only difference between TG and YJ is that CR keeps adding more teams each year, so if you tryout there, you�ll probably make a team. Good Luck

You are one of the blind ones, same club different colors . Shannon or should I say Bill have added more teams each year and will continue to do , go back and look.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter has tried out for every major club team on L.I. Y.J. , T.G. 91 , Express, Suffolk All Stars and Liberty, and I can tell you that without a question only the last club runs a truly unbiased tryout. Many people will say that the director only pulls from her home school and is biased to those girls, but the truth is if you had a talent pool like that you would also pull from it at the same rate. I have seen the director drop girls to the second team and even cut girls from her home school, that is what the doubters from outside the club don't see and where there comments show there ignorance. With there tryout still to come in October I implore any parent that is tired of the T.G. Y.J. politics to attend there tryout, If you think your daughter is a good player she stands her best chance of making an "A" team at this club. I assure you that the director and coaches are as unbiased as possible. I have no monetary alliance to this club, I do not coach for this club, I do not live in that school district, I am just a very happy consumer of her product and would like to see her club progress with the best players from all over Long Island,.

That's your opinion... My daughter played in the past for Liberty and I felt the politics were terrible. We had a try-out with TG and she made the team and she never looked back. SS nor BS knew her and she still made the team. I don't think that a team that won the U15 National Championship is filling a team with friends and family.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Or maybe, just maybe, it's not a conspiracy and they are actually better evaluators of talent than mommies and daddies?"
LOL. You missed the point. These girls HAD NO CHANCE TO MAKE TOP GUN, whether they are A players or C players. Shannon wasnt taking them. And 3 of those girls can play anywhere. Mommy and Daddy went elsewhere and their kids made the A and B teams of a top notch Lacrosse Team. All we as parents ask for is the truth. Bill and Shannon know what they did...
Shannon and Bill let friendship get in the way of honesty...

There are friendships and politics in play at every program. Many times it's the parents who are unwanted, and the politics & problems they might be bringing with them. You said something about Shannon knowing their coach, so maybe she already had some insight. It's not always the players. Some of the over-the-top, way too involved, conspiracy theory parents, don't even see that THEY might be the problem. Many people who complain on these threads wouldn't get that, because they ARE those parents! Based on what we're seeing here, from you, it might have been a good move.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took my daughter to the 2018 Top Gun tryout last month and when I got there I was impressed on how organized they were. Little did I know what I was in for. My daughter and just about her whole current team came down to tryout that day in the hopes of making one of the teams. Wouldn't you know that NOT ONE GIRL MADE ANY TEAM. Billy's response was that "They miss a few every now and then".
Granted, some of the girls just cant play at a high level and I get that, but Bill Smith missed the boat on several top players who just recently tried out for another top lacrosse program and made that Lacrosse clubs A and B teams. These girls are good athletic LAX players and Bill and Shannon let a college friendship control a tryout.
After looking into it, we the parents discovered that Shannon apparently played LAX at Northwestern with our coach. Was it a coincidence that not 1 player made any team?? They took 15 kids $35 per kid and had NO INTENTIONS OF ANY OF THOSE GIRLS TO MAKE ANY OF THE TEAMS. Its disgusting what they did to these girls.
Im so glad my daughter IS NOT PLAYING FOR TOP GUN. Talk about politics and who you know. The only ones here who get punished are the 13 year old girls. Shame on you Bill and Shannon..Shame..

Oh yeah, he missed the boat. I'm sure they had good reasons. Good luck.

It�s no better on the YJ side. They have a Friends and Family package that guarantees you a spot on the Blue team regardless of your skill level. There are kids on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th teams that are better than the kids that play on the last string on the Blue team, but because they�re not a friend of the coach or have some kind of family connection to another coach, they don�t make the team. The only difference between TG and YJ is that CR keeps adding more teams each year, so if you tryout there, you�ll probably make a team. Good Luck

You are one of the blind ones, same club different colors . Shannon or should I say Bill have added more teams each year and will continue to do , go back and look.

Who cares how many teams they add?

"There are friendships and politics in play at every program. Many times it's the parents who are unwanted, and the politics & problems they might be bringing with them. You said something about Shannon knowing their coach, so maybe she already had some insight. It's not always the players. Some of the over-the-top, way too involved, conspiracy theory parents, don't even see that THEY might be the problem. Many people who complain on these threads wouldn't get that, because they ARE those parents! Based on what we're seeing here, from you, it might have been a good move."
Think about what you just wrote. How ignorant are you? You are saying that 15 kids parents "are the problem"? 15 families? The only thing that was 'way over the top" was the way our girls were treated. They NEVER HAD A CHANCE. Can you understand that? Do you think that's fair?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took my daughter to the 2018 Top Gun tryout last month and when I got there I was impressed on how organized they were. Little did I know what I was in for. My daughter and just about her whole current team came down to tryout that day in the hopes of making one of the teams. Wouldn't you know that NOT ONE GIRL MADE ANY TEAM. Billy's response was that "They miss a few every now and then".
Granted, some of the girls just cant play at a high level and I get that, but Bill Smith missed the boat on several top players who just recently tried out for another top lacrosse program and made that Lacrosse clubs A and B teams. These girls are good athletic LAX players and Bill and Shannon let a college friendship control a tryout.
After looking into it, we the parents discovered that Shannon apparently played LAX at Northwestern with our coach. Was it a coincidence that not 1 player made any team?? They took 15 kids $35 per kid and had NO INTENTIONS OF ANY OF THOSE GIRLS TO MAKE ANY OF THE TEAMS. Its disgusting what they did to these girls.
Im so glad my daughter IS NOT PLAYING FOR TOP GUN. Talk about politics and who you know. The only ones here who get punished are the 13 year old girls. Shame on you Bill and Shannon..Shame..

Oh yeah, he missed the boat. I'm sure they had good reasons. Good luck.

It�s no better on the YJ side. They have a Friends and Family package that guarantees you a spot on the Blue team regardless of your skill level. There are kids on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th teams that are better than the kids that play on the last string on the Blue team, but because they�re not a friend of the coach or have some kind of family connection to another coach, they don�t make the team. The only difference between TG and YJ is that CR keeps adding more teams each year, so if you tryout there, you�ll probably make a team. Good Luck

You are one of the blind ones, same club different colors . Shannon or should I say Bill have added more teams each year and will continue to do , go back and look.

Who cares how many teams they add?

This is all very very simple. If you don't like a particular club, then don't support it. Please remember that when a child is not picked on a particular team, it's not always the kids fault. Sometimes the parents have such a reputation, it will affect the childs chances.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"There are friendships and politics in play at every program. Many times it's the parents who are unwanted, and the politics & problems they might be bringing with them. You said something about Shannon knowing their coach, so maybe she already had some insight. It's not always the players. Some of the over-the-top, way too involved, conspiracy theory parents, don't even see that THEY might be the problem. Many people who complain on these threads wouldn't get that, because they ARE those parents! Based on what we're seeing here, from you, it might have been a good move."
Think about what you just wrote. How ignorant are you? You are saying that 15 kids parents "are the problem"? 15 families? The only thing that was 'way over the top" was the way our girls were treated. They NEVER HAD A CHANCE. Can you understand that? Do you think that's fair?

I understand that this is how YOU see it. Move on, and enjoy your other club. TG, YJ, and every other club aren't for everyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"There are friendships and politics in play at every program. Many times it's the parents who are unwanted, and the politics & problems they might be bringing with them. You said something about Shannon knowing their coach, so maybe she already had some insight. It's not always the players. Some of the over-the-top, way too involved, conspiracy theory parents, don't even see that THEY might be the problem. Many people who complain on these threads wouldn't get that, because they ARE those parents! Based on what we're seeing here, from you, it might have been a good move."
Think about what you just wrote. How ignorant are you? You are saying that 15 kids parents "are the problem"? 15 families? The only thing that was 'way over the top" was the way our girls were treated. They NEVER HAD A CHANCE. Can you understand that? Do you think that's fair?

Your story sounds a bit exaggerated, and one-sided. It doesn't sound like you have all the facts either, and your upset about not making any of 3 teams. Glad you and those other girls found a place they're happy. You made your point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter has tried out for every major club team on L.I. Y.J. , T.G. 91 , Express, Suffolk All Stars and Liberty, and I can tell you that without a question only the last club runs a truly unbiased tryout. Many people will say that the director only pulls from her home school and is biased to those girls, but the truth is if you had a talent pool like that you would also pull from it at the same rate. I have seen the director drop girls to the second team and even cut girls from her home school, that is what the doubters from outside the club don't see and where there comments show there ignorance. With there tryout still to come in October I implore any parent that is tired of the T.G. Y.J. politics to attend there tryout, If you think your daughter is a good player she stands her best chance of making an "A" team at this club. I assure you that the director and coaches are as unbiased as possible. I have no monetary alliance to this club, I do not coach for this club, I do not live in that school district, I am just a very happy consumer of her product and would like to see her club progress with the best players from all over Long Island,.

That's your opinion... My daughter played in the past for Liberty and I felt the politics were terrible. We had a try-out with TG and she made the team and she never looked back. SS nor BS knew her and she still made the team. I don't think that a team that won the U15 National Championship is filling a team with friends and family.

Give me a break , if a team wins a tournament then the rest of the club has no politics involved. So the past years when we lost it must have been because the Smiths were using favoritism

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took my daughter to the 2018 Top Gun tryout last month and when I got there I was impressed on how organized they were. Little did I know what I was in for. My daughter and just about her whole current team came down to tryout that day in the hopes of making one of the teams. Wouldn't you know that NOT ONE GIRL MADE ANY TEAM. Billy's response was that "They miss a few every now and then".
Granted, some of the girls just cant play at a high level and I get that, but Bill Smith missed the boat on several top players who just recently tried out for another top lacrosse program and made that Lacrosse clubs A and B teams. These girls are good athletic LAX players and Bill and Shannon let a college friendship control a tryout.
After looking into it, we the parents discovered that Shannon apparently played LAX at Northwestern with our coach. Was it a coincidence that not 1 player made any team?? They took 15 kids $35 per kid and had NO INTENTIONS OF ANY OF THOSE GIRLS TO MAKE ANY OF THE TEAMS. Its disgusting what they did to these girls.
Im so glad my daughter IS NOT PLAYING FOR TOP GUN. Talk about politics and who you know. The only ones here who get punished are the 13 year old girls. Shame on you Bill and Shannon..Shame..

Who was the player from Northwestern?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took my daughter to the 2018 Top Gun tryout last month and when I got there I was impressed on how organized they were. Little did I know what I was in for. My daughter and just about her whole current team came down to tryout that day in the hopes of making one of the teams. Wouldn't you know that NOT ONE GIRL MADE ANY TEAM. Billy's response was that "They miss a few every now and then".
Granted, some of the girls just cant play at a high level and I get that, but Bill Smith missed the boat on several top players who just recently tried out for another top lacrosse program and made that Lacrosse clubs A and B teams. These girls are good athletic LAX players and Bill and Shannon let a college friendship control a tryout.
After looking into it, we the parents discovered that Shannon apparently played LAX at Northwestern with our coach. Was it a coincidence that not 1 player made any team?? They took 15 kids $35 per kid and had NO INTENTIONS OF ANY OF THOSE GIRLS TO MAKE ANY OF THE TEAMS. Its disgusting what they did to these girls.
Im so glad my daughter IS NOT PLAYING FOR TOP GUN. Talk about politics and who you know. The only ones here who get punished are the 13 year old girls. Shame on you Bill and Shannon..Shame..

Oh yeah, he missed the boat. I'm sure they had good reasons. Good luck.

It�s no better on the YJ side. They have a Friends and Family package that guarantees you a spot on the Blue team regardless of your skill level. There are kids on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th teams that are better than the kids that play on the last string on the Blue team, but because they�re not a friend of the coach or have some kind of family connection to another coach, they don�t make the team. The only difference between TG and YJ is that CR keeps adding more teams each year, so if you tryout there, you�ll probably make a team. Good Luck

Typical parents that crawl up the coaches and directors butt just to make sure that their kid gets a spot. These are the same kind of parents that will sign up to coach their kid so they can make sure that the kid gets a substantial amount of playing time or gets picked if there are tryouts. In most of these cases, the parents are fat, lazy and obnoxious and always have an angle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took my daughter to the 2018 Top Gun tryout last month and when I got there I was impressed on how organized they were. Little did I know what I was in for. My daughter and just about her whole current team came down to tryout that day in the hopes of making one of the teams. Wouldn't you know that NOT ONE GIRL MADE ANY TEAM. Billy's response was that "They miss a few every now and then".
Granted, some of the girls just cant play at a high level and I get that, but Bill Smith missed the boat on several top players who just recently tried out for another top lacrosse program and made that Lacrosse clubs A and B teams. These girls are good athletic LAX players and Bill and Shannon let a college friendship control a tryout.
After looking into it, we the parents discovered that Shannon apparently played LAX at Northwestern with our coach. Was it a coincidence that not 1 player made any team?? They took 15 kids $35 per kid and had NO INTENTIONS OF ANY OF THOSE GIRLS TO MAKE ANY OF THE TEAMS. Its disgusting what they did to these girls.
Im so glad my daughter IS NOT PLAYING FOR TOP GUN. Talk about politics and who you know. The only ones here who get punished are the 13 year old girls. Shame on you Bill and Shannon..Shame..

Oh yeah, he missed the boat. I'm sure they had good reasons. Good luck.

It�s no better on the YJ side. They have a Friends and Family package that guarantees you a spot on the Blue team regardless of your skill level. There are kids on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th teams that are better than the kids that play on the last string on the Blue team, but because they�re not a friend of the coach or have some kind of family connection to another coach, they don�t make the team. The only difference between TG and YJ is that CR keeps adding more teams each year, so if you tryout there, you�ll probably make a team. Good Luck

Typical parents that crawl up the coaches and directors butt just to make sure that their kid gets a spot. These are the same kind of parents that will sign up to coach their kid so they can make sure that the kid gets a substantial amount of playing time or gets picked if there are tryouts. In most of these cases, the parents are fat, lazy and obnoxious and always have an angle.

Probably missing a few teeth as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took my daughter to the 2018 Top Gun tryout last month and when I got there I was impressed on how organized they were. Little did I know what I was in for. My daughter and just about her whole current team came down to tryout that day in the hopes of making one of the teams. Wouldn't you know that NOT ONE GIRL MADE ANY TEAM. Billy's response was that "They miss a few every now and then".
Granted, some of the girls just cant play at a high level and I get that, but Bill Smith missed the boat on several top players who just recently tried out for another top lacrosse program and made that Lacrosse clubs A and B teams. These girls are good athletic LAX players and Bill and Shannon let a college friendship control a tryout.
After looking into it, we the parents discovered that Shannon apparently played LAX at Northwestern with our coach. Was it a coincidence that not 1 player made any team?? They took 15 kids $35 per kid and had NO INTENTIONS OF ANY OF THOSE GIRLS TO MAKE ANY OF THE TEAMS. Its disgusting what they did to these girls.
Im so glad my daughter IS NOT PLAYING FOR TOP GUN. Talk about politics and who you know. The only ones here who get punished are the 13 year old girls. Shame on you Bill and Shannon..Shame..

Oh yeah, he missed the boat. I'm sure they had good reasons. Good luck.

It�s no better on the YJ side. They have a Friends and Family package that guarantees you a spot on the Blue team regardless of your skill level. There are kids on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th teams that are better than the kids that play on the last string on the Blue team, but because they�re not a friend of the coach or have some kind of family connection to another coach, they don�t make the team. The only difference between TG and YJ is that CR keeps adding more teams each year, so if you tryout there, you�ll probably make a team. Good Luck

Typical parents that crawl up the coaches and directors butt just to make sure that their kid gets a spot. These are the same kind of parents that will sign up to coach their kid so they can make sure that the kid gets a substantial amount of playing time or gets picked if there are tryouts. In most of these cases, the parents are fat, lazy and obnoxious and always have an angle.

Noparent coaching at TG, go to YJ or Elevate if you want parent coaches

In your eyes those 15 kids were great. Most parents think all there kids are great. But reality is some kids really s...ck . I think this what we have here.

Clueless in Top Gun world wrote:
"In your eyes those 15 kids were great. Most parents think all there kids are great. But reality is some kids really s...ck . I think this what we have here."
Did I ever say they were great? Again, the point is that NO ONE MADE IT. Something was rotten in Denmark. Pay attention. 3-5 of those girls are A/B players without question. And several of those 5 kids made the A team at a high level LAX program.
All we ask for is fairness. We weren't given that by the Smith's. Its the truth.
Again, its about the kids. Its ludicrous that those 5 kids didn't make not even the C team. All good kids with great parents. Ask Shannon's friend. She will confirm.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clueless in Top Gun world wrote:
"In your eyes those 15 kids were great. Most parents think all there kids are great. But reality is some kids really s...ck . I think this what we have here."
Did I ever say they were great? Again, the point is that NO ONE MADE IT. Something was rotten in Denmark. Pay attention. 3-5 of those girls are A/B players without question. And several of those 5 kids made the A team at a high level LAX program.
All we ask for is fairness. We weren't given that by the Smith's. Its the truth.
Again, its about the kids. Its ludicrous that those 5 kids didn't make not even the C team. All good kids with great parents. Ask Shannon's friend. She will confirm.

What town were these girls from? What club did they end up going too? When girls register for tryout they enter individually. Some degree of effort would be needed to sort these girls out for a mass rejection. Truth is that age group had three teams last year and were only looking to keep it at three for this year. A few girls left from last year from each team opening a handful of spots. You had 120 - 150 trying out. Better stated you had 50 to 75 girls filling a handful of spots. What would the reasoning be for SS to shun these girls? What is the college friend story here?

Talk about the friends and family plan how many male college players who have no experience coaching girls lacrosse do you need, too funny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clueless in Top Gun world wrote:
"In your eyes those 15 kids were great. Most parents think all there kids are great. But reality is some kids really s...ck . I think this what we have here."
Did I ever say they were great? Again, the point is that NO ONE MADE IT. Something was rotten in Denmark. Pay attention. 3-5 of those girls are A/B players without question. And several of those 5 kids made the A team at a high level LAX program.
All we ask for is fairness. We weren't given that by the Smith's. Its the truth.
Again, its about the kids. Its ludicrous that those 5 kids didn't make not even the C team. All good kids with great parents. Ask Shannon's friend. She will confirm.

What town were these girls from? What club did they end up going too? When girls register for tryout they enter individually. Some degree of effort would be needed to sort these girls out for a mass rejection. Truth is that age group had three teams last year and were only looking to keep it at three for this year. A few girls left from last year from each team opening a handful of spots. You had 120 - 150 trying out. Better stated you had 50 to 75 girls filling a handful of spots. What would the reasoning be for SS to shun these girls? What is the college friend story here?

The registration asks you what club you played for the previous year. Not too hard to figure out. Your other point makes no sense. So if you were on team previous year you are guaranteed a spot? Not really a smart way to grow their product. If they want to compete consistently with YJ this is probably not smart.

[quote=Anonymous] Clueless in Top Gun world wrote:
"In your eyes those 15 kids were great. Most parents think all there kids are great. But reality is some kids really s...ck . I think this what we have here."
Did I ever say they were great? Again, the point is that NO ONE MADE IT. Something was rotten in Denmark. Pay attention. 3-5 of those girls are A/B players without question. And several of those 5 kids made the A team at a high level LAX program.
All we ask for is fairness. We weren't given that by the Smith's. Its the truth.

Which "high Level LAX Program? Can't be Y.J., T.G., Suffolk All Stars or Liberty?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clueless in Top Gun world wrote:
"In your eyes those 15 kids were great. Most parents think all there kids are great. But reality is some kids really s...ck . I think this what we have here."
Did I ever say they were great? Again, the point is that NO ONE MADE IT. Something was rotten in Denmark. Pay attention. 3-5 of those girls are A/B players without question. And several of those 5 kids made the A team at a high level LAX program.
All we ask for is fairness. We weren't given that by the Smith's. Its the truth.
Again, its about the kids. Its ludicrous that those 5 kids didn't make not even the C team. All good kids with great parents. Ask Shannon's friend. She will confirm.

What town were these girls from? What club did they end up going too? When girls register for tryout they enter individually. Some degree of effort would be needed to sort these girls out for a mass rejection. Truth is that age group had three teams last year and were only looking to keep it at three for this year. A few girls left from last year from each team opening a handful of spots. You had 120 - 150 trying out. Better stated you had 50 to 75 girls filling a handful of spots. What would the reasoning be for SS to shun these girls? What is the college friend story here?

The registration asks you what club you played for the previous year. Not too hard to figure out. Your other point makes no sense. So if you were on team previous year you are guaranteed a spot? Not really a smart way to grow their product. If they want to compete consistently with YJ this is probably not smart.

The registration does not ask where you played before! Obviously, this is a made up story, by someone with an ax to grind (probably because her daughter got cut), looking to start trouble, and put the program, and the smiths down. Everyone - please stop addressing this tall tale, and let's move on, keep it positive, and good luck in the fall tournaments!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous] Clueless in Top Gun world wrote:
"In your eyes those 15 kids were great. Most parents think all there kids are great. But reality is some kids really s...ck . I think this what we have here."
Did I ever say they were great? Again, the point is that NO ONE MADE IT. Something was rotten in Denmark. Pay attention. 3-5 of those girls are A/B players without question. And several of those 5 kids made the A team at a high level LAX program.
All we ask for is fairness. We weren't given that by the Smith's. Its the truth.

Which "high Level LAX Program? Can't be Y.J., T.G., Suffolk All Stars or Liberty?

The A team at another program? Well YJ's has not had try-outs, we can rule that out. Most anywhere else the A team is at least a step below, say the 2nd or third for this 2018 age group which is likely the strongest age group depth wise for TG. Where do all these kids play travel the last few years? If they are fresh into travel, they are likely several years behind most trying out in development at the travel level. Not looking to dispell your conspiracy theory, maybe you are right that a gross misjustice has taken place here, but you are comparing apples and oranges. Why on earth would SS overlook talent because the girls come from a certain town coached by a former teammate? Even if there was bad blood somewhere there, I don't see the logic or motive by not picking these girls up. You would think it would be the other way around, if she was looking to twist the knife, she would be taking these kids away to the next level.

maybe they were good friends and she did not want to deplete her friends program...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

maybe they were good friends and she did not want to deplete her friends program...

Darby St-Clair Barrie runs the Girls program at 91, She is friendly with Shannon and was a goalie at Northwestern, there is no bad blood as 91 is not that big a threat. If SS and BS wanted to they could have taken them all and had Black / Purple / White and 91,,,,,,at least they would have had new uniforms. ( c'mon, that was pretty funny)
91 tryouts are tomorrow, and of the smaller girls clubs this one is not that bad.
They don't show up at the same tournaments so whats the big deal.

"The registration does not ask where you played before! Obviously, this is a made up story, by someone with an ax to grind (probably because her daughter got cut), looking to start trouble, and put the program, and the smiths down. Everyone - please stop addressing this tall tale, and let's move on, keep it positive, and good luck in the fall tournaments!"
It actually did ask what team you are currently playing on. Its not made up. My daughter came from Express and we made it. Happy to be with Top Gun!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"The registration does not ask where you played before! Obviously, this is a made up story, by someone with an ax to grind (probably because her daughter got cut), looking to start trouble, and put the program, and the smiths down. Everyone - please stop addressing this tall tale, and let's move on, keep it positive, and good luck in the fall tournaments!"
It actually did ask what team you are currently playing on. Its not made up. My daughter came from Express and we made it. Happy to be with Top Gun!!

The form we filled out is right on the TG website, and doesn't say anything about what team you're on. Glad to have you either way, welcome aboard, and best of luck!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

maybe they were good friends and she did not want to deplete her friends program...

Darby St-Clair Barrie runs the Girls program at 91, She is friendly with Shannon and was a goalie at Northwestern, there is no bad blood as 91 is not that big a threat. If SS and BS wanted to they could have taken them all and had Black / Purple / White and 91,,,,,,at least they would have had new uniforms. ( c'mon, that was pretty funny)
91 tryouts are tomorrow, and of the smaller girls clubs this one is not that bad.
They don't show up at the same tournaments so whats the big deal.

So your saying these 15 girls were actually 91 players who played for another travel club? If that is the case then Shannon did the right thing by not stealing them away from 91 and her college friend.

Was it 120 or 150 girls trying out? Huge range. Your reliability is dropping

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was it 120 or 150 girls trying out? Huge range. Your reliability is dropping

Same deal happened last year in this age group. Nearly twice as many girls tried out as spots available on three teams. Last year many parents were offended, how could my daughter not make a team? Truth is there is some loyalty there to existing players. If they are borderline, paid their bills, they got the nod. Were some new players passed by for some borderline existing talent? Absolutely, but that is good to see.They wouldn't hurt themselves by passing up on stud players, but is that what we are talking about here? Just because some other club put them on their A team doesn't really quantify the talent level here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was it 120 or 150 girls trying out? Huge range. Your reliability is dropping

Same deal happened last year in this age group. Nearly twice as many girls tried out as spots available on three teams. Last year many parents were offended, how could my daughter not make a team? Truth is there is some loyalty there to existing players. If they are borderline, paid their bills, they got the nod. Were some new players passed by for some borderline existing talent? Absolutely, but that is good to see.They wouldn't hurt themselves by passing up on stud players, but is that what we are talking about here? Just because some other club put them on their A team doesn't really quantify the talent level here.

Fun day of 7v7 at Hofstra. Great job girls!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Or maybe, just maybe, it's not a conspiracy and they are actually better evaluators of talent than mommies and daddies?"
LOL. You missed the point. These girls HAD NO CHANCE TO MAKE TOP GUN, whether they are A players or C players. Shannon wasnt taking them. And 3 of those girls can play anywhere. Mommy and Daddy went elsewhere and their kids made the A and B teams of a top notch Lacrosse Team. All we as parents ask for is the truth. Bill and Shannon know what they did...
Shannon and Bill let friendship get in the way of honesty...

So what team did all of these girls end up playing for?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

maybe they were good friends and she did not want to deplete her friends program...

Darby St-Clair Barrie runs the Girls program at 91, She is friendly with Shannon and was a goalie at Northwestern, there is no bad blood as 91 is not that big a threat. If SS and BS wanted to they could have taken them all and had Black / Purple / White and 91,,,,,,at least they would have had new uniforms. ( c'mon, that was pretty funny)
91 tryouts are tomorrow, and of the smaller girls clubs this one is not that bad.
They don't show up at the same tournaments so whats the big deal.

So.... on what A team club did all 15 of these former 2018 Team 91 players end up on?

So your saying these 15 girls were actually 91 players who played for another travel club? If that is the case then Shannon did the right thing by not stealing them away from 91 and her college friend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was it 120 or 150 girls trying out? Huge range. Your reliability is dropping

Same deal happened last year in this age group. Nearly twice as many girls tried out as spots available on three teams. Last year many parents were offended, how could my daughter not make a team? Truth is there is some loyalty there to existing players. If they are borderline, paid their bills, they got the nod. Were some new players passed by for some borderline existing talent? Absolutely, but that is good to see.They wouldn't hurt themselves by passing up on stud players, but is that what we are talking about here? Just because some other club put them on their A team doesn't

really quantify the talent level here.

Fun day of 7v7 at Hofstra. Great job girls!

Are the honey badgers the same as top guns?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

maybe they were good friends and she did not want to deplete her friends program...

Darby St-Clair Barrie runs the Girls program at 91, She is friendly with Shannon and was a goalie at Northwestern, there is no bad blood as 91 is not that big a threat. If SS and BS wanted to they could have taken them all and had Black / Purple / White and 91,,,,,,at least they would have had new uniforms. ( c'mon, that was pretty funny)
91 tryouts are tomorrow, and of the smaller girls clubs this one is not that bad.
They don't show up at the same tournaments so whats the big deal.

Interesting weekend, heard there is a mass exiting from Suffolk All Stars, entire 2016 / 2017 / 2018 teams tried out for 91 and very many no shows at All Stars tryout.
These are three competitive age groups and there is a big shift in power to the new kid on the block. Apparently parents not happy with coaches and choice of Tournaments.
Wonder why All stars picked 91 ? Apparently this was in the works for weeks so I wonder why they did not pick TG's.
I would not be surprised if they struck a deal to keep entire teams intact, which would have been more of a YJ move. This will all create a little bit of a buzz,,,,,as life goes on.

Good showing at 7v7, perfect weather,,,,,,but Jesus could someone get a food truck there and a couple more porta sans,,,,,, just got a vision of SS on the grill and BS at the till,,,,,,,$$$$$$$$$$

Originally Posted by Anonymous

maybe they were good friends and she did not want to deplete her friends program...

Darby St-Clair Barrie runs the Girls program at 91, She is friendly with Shannon and was a goalie at Northwestern, there is no bad blood as 91 is not that big a threat. If SS and BS wanted to they could have taken them all and had Black / Purple / White and 91,,,,,,at least they would have had new uniforms. ( c'mon, that was pretty funny)
91 tryouts are tomorrow, and of the smaller girls clubs this one is not that bad.
They don't show up at the same tournaments so whats the big deal.

Interesting weekend, heard there is a mass exiting from Suffolk All Stars, entire 2016 / 2017 / 2018 teams tried out for 91 and very many no shows at All Stars tryout.
These are three competitive age groups and there is a big shift in power to the new kid on the block. Apparently parents not happy with coaches and choice of Tournaments.
Wonder why All stars picked 91 ? Apparently this was in the works for weeks so I wonder why they did not pick TG's.
I would not be surprised if they struck a deal to keep entire teams intact, which would have been more of a YJ move. This will all create a little bit of a buzz,,,,,as life goes on.

Good showing at 7v7, perfect weather,,,,,,but Jesus could someone get a food truck there and a couple more porta sans,,,,,, just got a vision of SS on the grill and BS at the till,,,,,,,$$$$$$$$$$

Funny how people always find something to complain about

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are the honey badgers the same as top guns?

The Honey Badgers are a boys team under the Express banner. They are not part of the same organization.

Honey badgers are a TG daddy team and I hope the coach is proud of his actions. To those of you whose child barely played or did not play at all at a charity event so we could claim a victory over a mixed level YJ team I am sorry.Believe me it was not much better watching my kid stand around while they run isolation plays for the three superstars the whole game, great team game we are playing.Before you come on here with the anonymous call at least tell us you are proud of the coaching job you did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

maybe they were good friends and she did not want to deplete her friends program...

Darby St-Clair Barrie runs the Girls program at 91, She is friendly with Shannon and was a goalie at Northwestern, there is no bad blood as 91 is not that big a threat. If SS and BS wanted to they could have taken them all and had Black / Purple / White and 91,,,,,,at least they would have had new uniforms. ( c'mon, that was pretty funny)
91 tryouts are tomorrow, and of the smaller girls clubs this one is not that bad.
They don't show up at the same tournaments so whats the big deal.

Interesting weekend, heard there is a mass exiting from Suffolk All Stars, entire 2016 / 2017 / 2018 teams tried out for 91 and very many no shows at All Stars tryout.
These are three competitive age groups and there is a big shift in power to the new kid on the block. Apparently parents not happy with coaches and choice of Tournaments.
Wonder why All stars picked 91 ? Apparently this was in the works for weeks so I wonder why they did not pick TG's.
I would not be surprised if they struck a deal to keep entire teams intact, which would have been more of a YJ move. This will all create a little bit of a buzz,,,,,as life goes on.

Good showing at 7v7, perfect weather,,,,,,but Jesus could someone get a food truck there and a couple more porta sans,,,,,, just got a vision of SS on the grill and BS at the till,,,,,,,$$$$$$$$$$

Great event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honey badgers are a TG daddy team and I hope the coach is proud of his actions. To those of you whose child barely played or did not play at all at a charity event so we could claim a victory over a mixed level YJ team I am sorry.Believe me it was not much better watching my kid stand around while they run isolation plays for the three superstars the whole game, great team game we are playing.Before you come on here with the anonymous call at least tell us you are proud of the coaching job you did.

What age group was the team that played up?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honey badgers are a TG daddy team and I hope the coach is proud of his actions. To those of you whose child barely played or did not play at all at a charity event so we could claim a victory over a mixed level YJ team I am sorry.Believe me it was not much better watching my kid stand around while they run isolation plays for the three superstars the whole game, great team game we are playing.Before you come on here with the anonymous call at least tell us you are proud of the coaching job you did.

YJ was not a mixed level team.

YJ team was not a mixed level team.

Re All Stars being at 91 try outs..why would you assume they would want to come to TG's. TG's is not the be all end all. Take a look at your thread all you hear is complaining as the organization grows. It's great there are option out there for those that don't want to be part of this program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honey badgers are a TG daddy team and I hope the coach is proud of his actions. To those of you whose child barely played or did not play at all at a charity event so we could claim a victory over a mixed level YJ team I am sorry.Believe me it was not much better watching my kid stand around while they run isolation plays for the three superstars the whole game, great team game we are playing.Before you come on here with the anonymous call at least tell us you are proud of the coaching job you did.

YJ was not a mixed level team.

YJ team was not a mixed level team.

This is what I think is so funny , you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, the team that played in the finals had kids playing together that were not on the same teams over the summer and as they have not had a tryout yet it is a mixed level team. It is possible every kid on that team will be on YJ top team next year, but more than likely no. Even sadder is this is what you come on here to contradict not the fact that your TG team seemed so desperate to win that you had kids not even get into the game..I get this was not a TG team event and the TG daddy running it can do what ever he wants and if you don't like it go play for someone else but these are 11 year old kids playing at a charity event for eating disorders.Who cares who wins ,if you are okay with winning even at the price of your kids or your kids teamates confidence then that's a shame, remember these kids self images can impact them in ways we just don't understand.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Honey badgers are a TG daddy team and I hope the coach is proud of his actions. To those of you whose child barely played or did not play at all at a charity event so we could claim a victory over a mixed level YJ team I am sorry.Believe me it was not much better watching my kid stand around while they run isolation plays for the three superstars the whole game, great team game we are playing.Before you come on here with the anonymous call at least tell us you are proud of the coaching job you did.

YJ was not a mixed level team.

YJ team was not a mixed level team.

This is what I think is so funny , you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, the team that played in the finals had kids playing together that were not on the same teams over the summer and as they have not had a tryout yet it is a mixed level team. It is possible every kid on that team will be on YJ top team next year, but more than likely no. Even sadder is this is what you come on here to contradict not the fact that your TG team seemed so desperate to win that you had kids not even get into the game..I get this was not a TG team event and the TG daddy running it can do what ever he wants and if you don't like it go play for someone else but these are 11 year old kids playing at a charity event for eating disorders.Who cares who wins ,if you are okay with winning even at the price of your kids or your kids teamates confidence then that's a shame, remember these kids self images can impact them in ways we just don't understand.

YJ trying to downplay it. All but 2 were from the curcio team last year and the 2 that played yesterday will be on the curcio team this summer no doubt. TG won no excuses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honey badgers are a TG daddy team and I hope the coach is proud of his actions. To those of you whose child barely played or did not play at all at a charity event so we could claim a victory over a mixed level YJ team I am sorry.Believe me it was not much better watching my kid stand around while they run isolation plays for the three superstars the whole game, great team game we are playing.Before you come on here with the anonymous call at least tell us you are proud of the coaching job you did.

YJ was not a mixed level team.

YJ team was not a mixed level team.

This is what I think is so funny , you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, the team that played in the finals had kids playing together that were not on the same teams over the summer and as they have not had a tryout yet it is a mixed level team. It is possible every kid on that team will be on YJ top team next year, but more than likely no. Even sadder is this is what you come on here to contradict not the fact that your TG team seemed so desperate to win that you had kids not even get into the game..I get this was not a TG team event and the TG daddy running it can do what ever he wants and if you don't like it go play for someone else but these are 11 year old kids playing at a charity event for eating disorders.Who cares who wins ,if you are okay with winning even at the price of your kids or your kids teamates confidence then that's a shame, remember these kids self images can impact them in ways we just don't understand.

Was this a 2019 or 2020 team for TG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Honey badgers are a TG daddy team and I hope the coach is proud of his actions. To those of you whose child barely played or did not play at all at a charity event so we could claim a victory over a mixed level YJ team I am sorry.Believe me it was not much better watching my kid stand around while they run isolation plays for the three superstars the whole game, great team game we are playing.Before you come on here with the anonymous call at least tell us you are proud of the coaching job you did.

YJ was not a mixed level team.

YJ team was not a mixed level team.

This is what I think is so funny , you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, the team that played in the finals had kids playing together that were not on the same teams over the summer and as they have not had a tryout yet it is a mixed level team. It is possible every kid on that team will be on YJ top team next year, but more than likely no. Even sadder is this is what you come on here to contradict not the fact that your TG team seemed so desperate to win that you had kids not even get into the game..I get this was not a TG team event and the TG daddy running it can do what ever he wants and if you don't like it go play for someone else but these are 11 year old kids playing at a charity event for eating disorders.Who cares who wins ,if you are okay with winning even at the price of your kids or your kids teamates confidence then that's a shame, remember these kids self images can impact them in ways we just don't understand.

Was this a 2019 or 2020 team for TG

2020

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re All Stars being at 91 try outs..why would you assume they would want to come to TG's. TG's is not the be all end all. Take a look at your thread all you hear is complaining as the organization grows. It's great there are option out there for those that don't want to be part of this program.

Part of the reason you see mostly complaints, on TG and most other threads, is because the complainers are generally the people who take the time to go online and rant and rave. It's unfortunate, but the majority of the happy, positive people don't go on, and post how happy they are.

It's the same in business - the complainers, or unhappy customers, go out of their way to tell people, and satisfied customers generally don't - they just come back, and give you their business. So, no matter what thread you're reading, you can't assume that everything's bad, because you're reading negative complaints.

We're very happy with TG, and obviously most people are, because most do come back to tryouts. It's usually after tryouts, that the complaints start pouring in. TG is not for everyone, just like YJ, and every other program. You need to do some serious research & homework (other than just reading what you see here), and make the best decision for your daughter, and your family. Ask people in the program, or who might have left the program. Visit a practice, watch a game, call the directors, check out the website, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Honey badgers are a TG daddy team and I hope the coach is proud of his actions. To those of you whose child barely played or did not play at all at a charity event so we could claim a victory over a mixed level YJ team I am sorry.Believe me it was not much better watching my kid stand around while they run isolation plays for the three superstars the whole game, great team game we are playing.Before you come on here with the anonymous call at least tell us you are proud of the coaching job you did.

YJ was not a mixed level team.

YJ team was not a mixed level team.

This is what I think is so funny , you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, the team that played in the finals had kids playing together that were not on the same teams over the summer and as they have not had a tryout yet it is a mixed level team. It is possible every kid on that team will be on YJ top team next year, but more than likely no. Even sadder is this is what you come on here to contradict not the fact that your TG team seemed so desperate to win that you had kids not even get into the game..I get this was not a TG team event and the TG daddy running it can do what ever he wants and if you don't like it go play for someone else but these are 11 year old kids playing at a charity event for eating disorders.Who cares who wins ,if you are okay with winning even at the price of your kids or your kids teamates confidence then that's a shame, remember these kids self images can impact them in ways we just don't understand.

Was this a 2019 or 2020 team for TG

2020

Must have been a hand picked team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Honey badgers are a TG daddy team and I hope the coach is proud of his actions. To those of you whose child barely played or did not play at all at a charity event so we could claim a victory over a mixed level YJ team I am sorry.Believe me it was not much better watching my kid stand around while they run isolation plays for the three superstars the whole game, great team game we are playing.Before you come on here with the anonymous call at least tell us you are proud of the coaching job you did.

Was this the team that JC coaches?

YJ was not a mixed level team.

YJ team was not a mixed level team.

This is what I think is so funny , you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, the team that played in the finals had kids playing together that were not on the same teams over the summer and as they have not had a tryout yet it is a mixed level team. It is possible every kid on that team will be on YJ top team next year, but more than likely no. Even sadder is this is what you come on here to contradict not the fact that your TG team seemed so desperate to win that you had kids not even get into the game..I get this was not a TG team event and the TG daddy running it can do what ever he wants and if you don't like it go play for someone else but these are 11 year old kids playing at a charity event for eating disorders.Who cares who wins ,if you are okay with winning even at the price of your kids or your kids teamates confidence then that's a shame, remember these kids self images can impact them in ways we just don't understand.

Was this a 2019 or 2020 team for TG

2020

YJ team was not a mixed level team. [/quote]

This is what I think is so funny , you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, the team that played in the finals had kids playing together that were not on the same teams over the summer and as they have not had a tryout yet it is a mixed level team. It is possible every kid on that team will be on YJ top team next year, but more than likely no. Even sadder is this is what you come on here to contradict not the fact that your TG team seemed so desperate to win that you had kids not even get into the game..I get this was not a TG team event and the TG daddy running it can do what ever he wants and if you don't like it go play for someone else but these are 11 year old kids playing at a charity event for eating disorders.Who cares who wins ,if you are okay with winning even at the price of your kids or your kids teamates confidence then that's a shame, remember these kids self images can impact them in ways we just don't understand. [/quote]

Your attempt to discredit the win, while disparaging the TG team is evidence in your need to justify a loss. At the end of the day, the YJ bench was also shorted and anything being said to the contrary is a complete lie. If this tournament was all about the 'cause' and not winning, why make it a Championship format? Completely hypocritical to your arguement.

It's a game, get over it.Was the metal that important to you?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Honey badgers are a TG daddy team and I hope the coach is proud of his actions. To those of you whose child barely played or did not play at all at a charity event so we could claim a victory over a mixed level YJ team I am sorry.Believe me it was not much better watching my kid stand around while they run isolation plays for the three superstars the whole game, great team game we are playing.Before you come on here with the anonymous call at least tell us you are proud of the coaching job you did.

YJ was not a mixed level team.

YJ team was not a mixed level team.

This is what I think is so funny , you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, the team that played in the finals had kids playing together that were not on the same teams over the summer and as they have not had a tryout yet it is a mixed level team. It is possible every kid on that team will be on YJ top team next year, but more than likely no. Even sadder is this is what you come on here to contradict not the fact that your TG team seemed so desperate to win that you had kids not even get into the game..I get this was not a TG team event and the TG daddy running it can do what ever he wants and if you don't like it go play for someone else but these are 11 year old kids playing at a charity event for eating disorders.Who cares who wins ,if you are okay with winning even at the price of your kids or your kids teamates confidence then that's a shame, remember these kids self images can impact them in ways we just don't understand.

YJ trying to downplay it. All but 2 were from the curcio team last year and the 2 that played yesterday will be on the curcio team this summer no doubt. TG won no excuses.

No one making an excuse TG won that game and lost the earlier game to the same team. Fact is it was a mixed level team and all those kids that played will most likely not be on Curcio team come next summer, its just the nature of the beast at YJ when there is so much talent spread amongst several teams.Will all the TG kids that played be on the top level team this year you can guarantee it because they are the chosen ones, for the kids who were on the team but did not get in the game or barely got in the game do not complain because your TG daddy coach has connections.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Honey badgers are a TG daddy team and I hope the coach is proud of his actions. To those of you whose child barely played or did not play at all at a charity event so we could claim a victory over a mixed level YJ team I am sorry.Believe me it was not much better watching my kid stand around while they run isolation plays for the three superstars the whole game, great team game we are playing.Before you come on here with the anonymous call at least tell us you are proud of the coaching job you did.

YJ was not a mixed level team.

YJ team was not a mixed level team.

This is what I think is so funny , you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, the team that played in the finals had kids playing together that were not on the same teams over the summer and as they have not had a tryout yet it is a mixed level team. It is possible every kid on that team will be on YJ top team next year, but more than likely no. Even sadder is this is what you come on here to contradict not the fact that your TG team seemed so desperate to win that you had kids not even get into the game..I get this was not a TG team event and the TG daddy running it can do what ever he wants and if you don't like it go play for someone else but these are 11 year old kids playing at a charity event for eating disorders.Who cares who wins ,if you are okay with winning even at the price of your kids or your kids teamates confidence then that's a shame, remember these kids self images can impact them in ways we just don't understand.

YJ trying to downplay it. All but 2 were from the curcio team last year and the 2 that played yesterday will be on the curcio team this summer no doubt. TG won no excuses.

No one making an excuse TG won that game and lost the earlier game to the same team. Fact is it was a mixed level team and all those kids that played will most likely not be on Curcio team come next summer, its just the nature of the beast at YJ when there is so much talent spread amongst several teams.Will all the TG kids that played be on the top level team this year you can guarantee it because they are the. chosen ones, for the kids who were on the team but did not get in the game or barely got in the game do not complain because your TG daddy coach has connections.

My two sense.... The guy you keep calling tg daddy coach in all actuality is really a good guy. Kudos to him for winning. Nobody goes to a tournament to lose. That team looked great. Tough D. Good ball movement. A few studs. Felt playing time was good all day. In final you have to go for.the win. As for Nostradamus who can predict the yj future. Hope you guys learn from your mistakes. Saw alot of individuals out on that field. Hope you don't repeat your past mistakes. Good luck.

It's my two "cents" not my two "sense" you a$$ clown. Or would you prefer Honey Badger Daddy Coach Assistant? Playing time was ok? I guess your daughter was one of those chosen "studs" who played the whole game while other girls paid the same and rode the pine for charity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's my two "cents" not my two "sense" you a$$ clown. Or would you prefer Honey Badger Daddy Coach Assistant? Playing time was ok? I guess your daughter was one of those chosen "studs" who played the whole game while other girls paid the same and rode the pine for charity.

Oh my i just got burned. You are so smart to pick up on my boo boo. Not really a clown though just a little digital manipulation. Thats all. Why so angry. You are one of three. Not invited. Little suzie not as good as you think. Or you are very mad you got beat. Relax. It will get worse for you. Lots of time to spit more venom down the road

YJ Parents Always Make Excuses When They Do Not Win. Simple Fact Is That Top Gun Is Talented At The 2020 Age Group. Two Of Their Best Players Did Not Play With Them This Weekend.

I'm pretty sure both the 2019 & 2020 TG teams beat the YJ teams this weekend. Looks like a changing of the guard. Great work TG!!!

Entry Fee - $85
Concession food - $46
Look on CR's face when both of her teams lost in the Finals - Priceless

I thought all the girls looked great for a fall tournement top gun won end of story there will be a time when yj wins thats what makes the world go round a yj parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJ Parents Always Make Excuses When They Do Not Win. Simple Fact Is That Top Gun Is Talented At The 2020 Age Group. Two Of Their Best Players Did Not Play With Them This Weekend.

Fact is that was not the TG team and that was not the YJ team. This is meaningless fall ball of slapped together teams. The younger the team, the more likely you are to see parents on this thread chest thumping, it is a long road people, more than half of each of these teams will not be there in 3 4 years, likely a handful will remain by the time school ball enters the picture as better players join and replace and sleepers begin to leap frog your daughter. Saw same crap with 2019 parents last year, relax and roll with it, you got a long way to go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJ Parents Always Make Excuses When They Do Not Win. Simple Fact Is That Top Gun Is Talented At The 2020 Age Group. Two Of Their Best Players Did Not Play With Them This Weekend.

nice try.

This whole topic is silly! It was NOT a TG team! Yes, it had players from black and purple on it as well as a few others - 3/4 of the black team were not there, including 2 of their "better" players. However, a few of the top players from 2020 black were playing Sunday. These fall games really mean nothing but when you make it a championship format teams are going to play to win. Both of the teams that played in the finals were good teams! I am sure the YJ team was playing to win also! Next topic please - let's move on!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honey badgers are a TG daddy team and I hope the coach is proud of his actions. To those of you whose child barely played or did not play at all at a charity event so we could claim a victory over a mixed level YJ team I am sorry.Believe me it was not much better watching my kid stand around while they run isolation plays for the three superstars the whole game, great team game we are playing.Before you come on here with the anonymous call at least tell us you are proud of the coaching job you did.

YJ was not a mixed level team.

YJ team was not a mixed level team.

This is what I think is so funny , you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, the team that played in the finals had kids playing together that were not on the same teams over the summer and as they have not had a tryout yet it is a mixed level team. It is possible every kid on that team will be on YJ top team next year, but more than likely no. Even sadder is this is what you come on here to contradict not the fact that your TG team seemed so desperate to win that you had kids not even get into the game..I get this was not a TG team event and the TG daddy running it can do what ever he wants and if you don't like it go play for someone else but these are 11 year old kids playing at a charity event for eating disorders.Who cares who wins ,if you are okay with winning even at the price of your kids or your kids teamates confidence then that's a shame, remember these kids self images can impact them in ways we just don't understand.

YJ is just as guilty of coming to a charity event with a win at all cost attitude too. Nevermind the mindgames on 11 year old girls, gotta get the W. Guess that backfired. Way to take the good out of a good cause.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm pretty sure both the 2019 & 2020 TG teams beat the YJ teams this weekend. Looks like a changing of the guard. Great work TG!!!

Entry Fee - $85
Concession food - $46
Look on CR's face when both of her teams lost in the Finals - Priceless

This is why people think you TG people are pathetic, and yes both 2019, 2020 YJ teams beat the TG teams this weekend and vice versa as both teams split their games this weekend.Even funnier is you claim a TG victory at 2019 age group even with the fact you had to borrow YJ players in your games.Sad that this is what you need to gloat about.Hope all you TG players who did not get invited to play on a TG daddy team are happy.

Any of you parents who pay these TG daddy coaches to play in these fall ball tournaments only to watch your kid ride the bench and do it again is pathetic.Fact is in the 2020 final game some kids did not get into the game at all while the select few never came out of the game for a single second.That is a horrible display of coaching and if you allow it to happen to your kid again then its on you.To allow your kid to play for a coach that is willing to do anything to win at a fall charity tournament, championship tournament or not,is now on you.To the superstars who's parents agree with his win at all costs attitude consider the feelings of the kids who did not get in the game.How many isolation plays can one coach call for 2 players.To the YJ 2020 coach who I watched during both TG games , keep it up the parents know you are doing the right thing even if the outcome is not always what you hoped for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honey badgers are a TG daddy team and I hope the coach is proud of his actions. To those of you whose child barely played or did not play at all at a charity event so we could claim a victory over a mixed level YJ team I am sorry.Believe me it was not much better watching my kid stand around while they run isolation plays for the three superstars the whole game, great team game we are playing.Before you come on here with the anonymous call at least tell us you are proud of the coaching job you did.

YJ was not a mixed level team.

YJ team was not a mixed level team.

This is what I think is so funny , you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, the team that played in the finals had kids playing together that were not on the same teams over the summer and as they have not had a tryout yet it is a mixed level team. It is possible every kid on that team will be on YJ top team next year, but more than likely no. Even sadder is this is what you come on here to contradict not the fact that your TG team seemed so desperate to win that you had kids not even get into the game..I get this was not a TG team event and the TG daddy running it can do what ever he wants and if you don't like it go play for someone else but these are 11 year old kids playing at a charity event for eating disorders.Who cares who wins ,if you are okay with winning even at the price of your kids or your kids teamates confidence then that's a shame, remember these kids self images can impact them in ways we just don't understand.

YJ is just as guilty of coming to a charity event with a win at all cost attitude too. Nevermind the mindgames on 11 year old girls, gotta get the W. Guess that backfired. Way to take the good out of a good cause.

Anyone that says Curcio didn't play to win is fooling themselves. Fact is Curcio has a flawed team. CR will say the teams are made randomly in the fall. Untrue. Curcio hand picked her team while the leftovers went and played for her assistant. The excuse of Charity Event, 25 minute games, etc need to stop. Its a ridiculous excuse. Every loss is an excuse waiting to happen with these parents ie. YJ Jones, TG etc. if you stop making excuses, no one will talk about it. Problem is Curcio needs to look at other girls in their organization who are better defenders and better team players. I'm sure she will right her ship.

As for the TG Daddy remarks. This gentleman is a good guy who runs these teams with the blessing of SS and BS. He knows the game and does a good job. It's just unfortunate that everyone can't be involved because it does promote some separation amongst the team. But I'd rather has this team together getting trained than not, just because of some parents that were not included.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Honey badgers are a TG daddy team and I hope the coach is proud of his actions. To those of you whose child barely played or did not play at all at a charity event so we could claim a victory over a mixed level YJ team I am sorry.Believe me it was not much better watching my kid stand around while they run isolation plays for the three superstars the whole game, great team game we are playing.Before you come on here with the anonymous call at least tell us you are proud of the coaching job you did.

YJ was not a mixed level team.

YJ team was not a mixed level team.

This is what I think is so funny , you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, the team that played in the finals had kids playing together that were not on the same teams over the summer and as they have not had a tryout yet it is a mixed level team. It is possible every kid on that team will be on YJ top team next year, but more than likely no. Even sadder is this is what you come on here to contradict not the fact that your TG team seemed so desperate to win that you had kids not even get into the game..I get this was not a TG team event and the TG daddy running it can do what ever he wants and if you don't like it go play for someone else but these are 11 year old kids playing at a charity event for eating disorders.Who cares who wins ,if you are okay with winning even at the price of your kids or your kids teamates confidence then that's a shame, remember these kids self images can impact them in ways we just don't understand.

YJ trying to downplay it. All but 2 were from the curcio team last year and the 2 that played yesterday will be on the curcio team this summer no doubt. TG won no excuses.

No one making an excuse TG won that game and lost the earlier game to the same team. Fact is it was a mixed level team and all those kids that played will most likely not be on Curcio team come next summer, its just the nature of the beast at YJ when there is so much talent spread amongst several teams.Will all the TG kids that played be on the top level team this year you can guarantee it because they are the chosen ones, for the kids who were on the team but did not get in the game or barely got in the game do not complain because your TG daddy coach has connections.

Fact is this wasn't a mixed YJ team look at this past weekends roster and cross reference to curcio's summer roster after tryouts and you could see for yourself. The game is over the better team won.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honey badgers are a TG daddy team and I hope the coach is proud of his actions. To those of you whose child barely played or did not play at all at a charity event so we could claim a victory over a mixed level YJ team I am sorry.Believe me it was not much better watching my kid stand around while they run isolation plays for the three superstars the whole game, great team game we are playing.Before you come on here with the anonymous call at least tell us you are proud of the coaching job you did.

YJ was not a mixed level team.

YJ team was not a mixed level team.

This is what I think is so funny , you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, the team that played in the finals had kids playing together that were not on the same teams over the summer and as they have not had a tryout yet it is a mixed level team. It is possible every kid on that team will be on YJ top team next year, but more than likely no. Even sadder is this is what you come on here to contradict not the fact that your TG team seemed so desperate to win that you had kids not even get into the game..I get this was not a TG team event and the TG daddy running it can do what ever he wants and if you don't like it go play for someone else but these are 11 year old kids playing at a charity event for eating disorders.Who cares who wins ,if you are okay with winning even at the price of your kids or your kids teamates confidence then that's a shame, remember these kids self images can impact them in ways we just don't understand.

YJ is just as guilty of coming to a charity event with a win at all cost attitude too. Nevermind the mindgames on 11 year old girls, gotta get the W. Guess that backfired. Way to take the good out of a good cause.

Anyone that says Curcio didn't play to win is fooling themselves. Fact is Curcio has a flawed team. CR will say the teams are made randomly in the fall. Untrue. Curcio hand picked her team while the leftovers went and played for her assistant. The excuse of Charity Event, 25 minute games, etc need to stop. Its a ridiculous excuse. Every loss is an excuse waiting to happen with these parents ie. YJ Jones, TG etc. if you stop making excuses, no one will talk about it. Problem is Curcio needs to look at other girls in their organization who are better defenders and better team players. I'm sure she will right her ship.

As for the TG Daddy remarks. This gentleman is a good guy who runs these teams with the blessing of SS and BS. He knows the game and does a good job. It's just unfortunate that everyone can't be involved because it does promote some separation amongst the team. But I'd rather has this team together getting trained than not, just because of some parents that were not included.

As far as a flawed team then what does that make your superstar team considering they lost to them earlier in the day. If you do not see that The YJ team played the lines equally you are completely an idiot, if you think a good guy has kids on his 11 year old team who never got onto the field for even 1 second then you are a very sad person.The fact that you are so happy that your kid is being trained while some kids are in your words not included shows how pathetic you are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Honey badgers are a TG daddy team and I hope the coach is proud of his actions. To those of you whose child barely played or did not play at all at a charity event so we could claim a victory over a mixed level YJ team I am sorry.Believe me it was not much better watching my kid stand around while they run isolation plays for the three superstars the whole game, great team game we are playing.Before you come on here with the anonymous call at least tell us you are proud of the coaching job you did.

YJ was not a mixed level team.

YJ team was not a mixed level team.

This is what I think is so funny , you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, the team that played in the finals had kids playing together that were not on the same teams over the summer and as they have not had a tryout yet it is a mixed level team. It is possible every kid on that team will be on YJ top team next year, but more than likely no. Even sadder is this is what you come on here to contradict not the fact that your TG team seemed so desperate to win that you had kids not even get into the game..I get this was not a TG team event and the TG daddy running it can do what ever he wants and if you don't like it go play for someone else but these are 11 year old kids playing at a charity event for eating disorders.Who cares who wins ,if you are okay with winning even at the price of your kids or your kids teamates confidence then that's a shame, remember these kids self images can impact them in ways we just don't understand.

YJ trying to downplay it. All but 2 were from the curcio team last year and the 2 that played yesterday will be on the curcio team this summer no doubt. TG won no excuses.

No one making an excuse TG won that game and lost the earlier game to the same team. Fact is it was a mixed level team and all those kids that played will most likely not be on Curcio team come next summer, its just the nature of the beast at YJ when there is so much talent spread amongst several teams.Will all the TG kids that played be on the top level team this year you can guarantee it because they are the chosen ones, for the kids who were on the team but did not get in the game or barely got in the game do not complain because your TG daddy coach has connections.

Fact is this wasn't a mixed YJ team look at this past weekends roster and cross reference to curcio's summer roster after tryouts and you could see for yourself. The game is over the better team won.

Seriously are you this obsessed,cross reference an 11 year old team, what a looser. Thanks for the laugh Nostradamus,go get yourself a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Honey badgers are a TG daddy team and I hope the coach is proud of his actions. To those of you whose child barely played or did not play at all at a charity event so we could claim a victory over a mixed level YJ team I am sorry.Believe me it was not much better watching my kid stand around while they run isolation plays for the three superstars the whole game, great team game we are playing.Before you come on here with the anonymous call at least tell us you are proud of the coaching job you did.

YJ was not a mixed level team.

YJ team was not a mixed level team.

This is what I think is so funny , you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, the team that played in the finals had kids playing together that were not on the same teams over the summer and as they have not had a tryout yet it is a mixed level team. It is possible every kid on that team will be on YJ top team next year, but more than likely no. Even sadder is this is what you come on here to contradict not the fact that your TG team seemed so desperate to win that you had kids not even get into the game..I get this was not a TG team event and the TG daddy running it can do what ever he wants and if you don't like it go play for someone else but these are 11 year old kids playing at a charity event for eating disorders.Who cares who wins ,if you are okay with winning even at the price of your kids or your kids teamates confidence then that's a shame, remember these kids self images can impact them in ways we just don't understand.

YJ is just as guilty of coming to a charity event with a win at all cost attitude too. Nevermind the mindgames on 11 year old girls, gotta get the W. Guess that backfired. Way to take the good out of a good cause.

Anyone that says Curcio didn't play to win is fooling themselves. Fact is Curcio has a flawed team. CR will say the teams are made randomly in the fall. Untrue. Curcio hand picked her team while the leftovers went and played for her assistant. The excuse of Charity Event, 25 minute games, etc need to stop. Its a ridiculous excuse. Every loss is an excuse waiting to happen with these parents ie. YJ Jones, TG etc. if you stop making excuses, no one will talk about it. Problem is Curcio needs to look at other girls in their organization who are better defenders and better team players. I'm sure she will right her ship.

I agree this age group is flawed. Much of it is based on who has/had an older sister that is a YJ, who pays the most to train w the coach, who travels the farthest, who has staff connections, who's in the right school district. You can't dispute these facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous] I took my daughter to the 2018 Top Gun tryout last month and when I got there I was impressed on how organized they were. Little did I know what I was in for. My daughter and just about her whole current team came down to tryout that day in the hopes of making one of the teams. Wouldn't you know that NOT ONE GIRL MADE ANY TEAM. Billy's response was that "They miss a few every now and then".
Granted, some of the girls just cant play at a high level and I get that, but Bill Smith missed the boat on several top players who just recently tried out for another top lacrosse program and made that Lacrosse clubs A and B teams. These girls are good athletic LAX players and Bill and Shannon let a college friendship control a tryout.
After looking into it, we the parents discovered that Shannon apparently played LAX at Northwestern with our coach. Was it a coincidence that not 1 player made any team?? They took 15 kids $35 per kid and had NO INTENTIONS OF ANY OF THOSE GIRLS TO MAKE ANY OF THE TEAMS. Its disgusting what they did to these girls.
Im so glad my daughter IS NOT PLAYING FOR TOP GUN. Talk about politics and who you know. The only ones here who get punished are the 13 year old girls. Shame on you Bill and Shannon..Shame..

Oh yeah, he missed the boat. I'm sure they had good reasons. Good luck.

It�s no better on the YJ side. They have a Friends and Family package that guarantees you a spot on the Blue team regardless of your skill level. There are kids on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th teams that are better than the kids that play on the last string on the Blue team, but because they�re not a friend of the coach or have some kind of family connection to another coach, they don�t make the team. The only difference between TG and YJ is that CR keeps adding more teams each year, so if you tryout there, you�ll probably make a team. Good Luck

Typical parents that crawl up the coaches and directors butt just to make sure that their kid gets a spot. These are the same kind of parents that will sign up to coach their kid so they can make sure that the kid gets a substantial amount of playing time or gets picked if there are tryouts. In most of these cases, the parents are fat, lazy and obnoxious and always have an angle.

Probably missing a few teeth as well.

LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any of you parents who pay these TG daddy coaches to play in these fall ball tournaments only to watch your kid ride the bench and do it again is pathetic.Fact is in the 2020 final game some kids did not get into the game at all while the select few never came out of the game for a single second.That is a horrible display of coaching and if you allow it to happen to your kid again then its on you.To allow your kid to play for a coach that is willing to do anything to win at a fall charity tournament, championship tournament or not,is now on you.To the superstars who's parents agree with his win at all costs attitude consider the feelings of the kids who did not get in the game.How many isolation plays can one coach call for 2 players.To the YJ 2020 coach who I watched during both TG games , keep it up the parents know you are doing the right thing even if the outcome is not always what you hoped for.

YJs do the exact same thing every single tournament. What the he** are you talking about (YJ coach keep it up)?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Honey badgers are a TG daddy team and I hope the coach is proud of his actions. To those of you whose child barely played or did not play at all at a charity event so we could claim a victory over a mixed level YJ team I am sorry.Believe me it was not much better watching my kid stand around while they run isolation plays for the three superstars the whole game, great team game we are playing.Before you come on here with the anonymous call at least tell us you are proud of the coaching job you did.

YJ was not a mixed level team.

YJ team was not a mixed level team.

This is what I think is so funny , you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, the team that played in the finals had kids playing together that were not on the same teams over the summer and as they have not had a tryout yet it is a mixed level team. It is possible every kid on that team will be on YJ top team next year, but more than likely no. Even sadder is this is what you come on here to contradict not the fact that your TG team seemed so desperate to win that you had kids not even get into the game..I get this was not a TG team event and the TG daddy running it can do what ever he wants and if you don't like it go play for someone else but these are 11 year old kids playing at a charity event for eating disorders.Who cares who wins ,if you are okay with winning even at the price of your kids or your kids teamates confidence then that's a shame, remember these kids self images can impact them in ways we just don't understand.

YJ is just as guilty of coming to a charity event with a win at all cost attitude too. Nevermind the mindgames on 11 year old girls, gotta get the W. Guess that backfired. Way to take the good out of a good cause.

Anyone that says Curcio didn't play to win is fooling themselves. Fact is Curcio has a flawed team. CR will say the teams are made randomly in the fall. Untrue. Curcio hand picked her team while the leftovers went and played for her assistant. The excuse of Charity Event, 25 minute games, etc need to stop. Its a ridiculous excuse. Every loss is an excuse waiting to happen with these parents ie. YJ Jones, TG etc. if you stop making excuses, no one will talk about it. Problem is Curcio needs to look at other girls in their organization who are better defenders and better team players. I'm sure she will right her ship.

I agree this age group is flawed. Much of it is based on who has/had an older sister that is a YJ, who pays the most to train w the coach, who travels the farthest, who has staff connections, who's in the right school district. You can't dispute these facts.

Funny, you speak of the YJ defenders being flawed. I always thought the YJ defense was strong. Problem is you need to score a few more goals. Defenders not flawed - offense is the weak link. If defense keeps most games to 4-7 goals against, that is a job well done. If you are only scoring 4-5 goals a game - there lies your problem. Problem is, all the [lacrosse] kissers kids are on offense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Honey badgers are a TG daddy team and I hope the coach is proud of his actions. To those of you whose child barely played or did not play at all at a charity event so we could claim a victory over a mixed level YJ team I am sorry.Believe me it was not much better watching my kid stand around while they run isolation plays for the three superstars the whole game, great team game we are playing.Before you come on here with the anonymous call at least tell us you are proud of the coaching job you did.

YJ was not a mixed level team.

YJ team was not a mixed level team.

This is what I think is so funny , you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, the team that played in the finals had kids playing together that were not on the same teams over the summer and as they have not had a tryout yet it is a mixed level team. It is possible every kid on that team will be on YJ top team next year, but more than likely no. Even sadder is this is what you come on here to contradict not the fact that your TG team seemed so desperate to win that you had kids not even get into the game..I get this was not a TG team event and the TG daddy running it can do what ever he wants and if you don't like it go play for someone else but these are 11 year old kids playing at a charity event for eating disorders.Who cares who wins ,if you are okay with winning even at the price of your kids or your kids teamates confidence then that's a shame, remember these kids self images can impact them in ways we just don't understand.

YJ is just as guilty of coming to a charity event with a win at all cost attitude too. Nevermind the mindgames on 11 year old girls, gotta get the W. Guess that backfired. Way to take the good out of a good cause.

Anyone that says Curcio didn't play to win is fooling themselves. Fact is Curcio has a flawed team. CR will say the teams are made randomly in the fall. Untrue. Curcio hand picked her team while the leftovers went and played for her assistant. The excuse of Charity Event, 25 minute games, etc need to stop. Its a ridiculous excuse. Every loss is an excuse waiting to happen with these parents ie. YJ Jones, TG etc. if you stop making excuses, no one will talk about it. Problem is Curcio needs to look at other girls in their organization who are better defenders and better team players. I'm sure she will right her ship.

I agree this age group is flawed. Much of it is based on who has/had an older sister that is a YJ, who pays the most to train w the coach, who travels the farthest, who has staff connections, who's in the right school district. You can't dispute these facts.

I would try to explain to you what facts are but clearly that is above your education level. Please enlighten us on which are the correct school districts for this team, what distance in travel has to do with it, and just venturing a guess but probably over 50 % of kids playing have a sister playing.Still waiting for someone to come on here a justify the fact that some of your perceived bad players never made it into the game even considering they paid the same amount.Your TG coach obviously only considers two kids to be his superstars and I guarantee one of them is his kid.Can anyone say clear thru I want my kid to go to the goal.

Can anybody recommend any good winter clinics? Thanks

Hey TG 2020 knuckleheads stop w the nonsense, your TG daddy coach is cringing every time you post something, he knows and guaranteed is embarrassed by the way he played that game. I bet he is a good guy who regrets having done it the way he did. He will soon realize its better to lose and do the right thing then to sell your soul to win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey TG 2020 knuckleheads stop w the nonsense, your TG daddy coach is cringing every time you post something, he knows and guaranteed is embarrassed by the way he played that game. I bet he is a good guy who regrets having done it the way he did. He will soon realize its better to lose and do the right thing then to sell your soul to win.

Oh thank you YJ parent for your words of wisdom!

Nobody cares but the two of you

The kids who never got in the game care

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kids who never got in the game care

They are not reading this thread. Simple solution. When they ask your daughter if she wants to play in the next tournament just say no and spend the $75 on some personal training or put it in her college fund!

As far as 2020 goes, everyone stop embarrassing yourselves, both clubs. These are not the real teams playing each other, this is some crappy fall ball tourny. The two teams did play one legit game over the summer and TG won that one, big deal. Next year the teams will look different and in three or four years, you likely won't recognize either team as they were last summer. I will tell you this, YJ has the talent split with lots of talent on the second team, if they would put the politics aside and sift out the talent for the A team, they would likely beat TGs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As far as 2020 goes, everyone stop embarrassing yourselves, both clubs. These are not the real teams playing each other, this is some crappy fall ball tourny. The two teams did play one legit game over the summer and TG won that one, big deal. Next year the teams will look different and in three or four years, you likely won't recognize either team as they were last summer. I will tell you this, YJ has the talent split with lots of talent on the second team, if they would put the politics aside and sift out the talent for the A team, they would likely beat TGs.

Nobody cares

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As far as 2020 goes, everyone stop embarrassing yourselves, both clubs. These are not the real teams playing each other, this is some crappy fall ball tourny. The two teams did play one legit game over the summer and TG won that one, big deal. Next year the teams will look different and in three or four years, you likely won't recognize either team as they were last summer. I will tell you this, YJ has the talent split with lots of talent on the second team, if they would put the politics aside and sift out the talent for the A team, they would likely beat TGs.

And you think TG does not have politics? Once Obamas term ends or gets impeached, he will ask SS to step aside and let someone with real credentials run that circus.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honey badgers are a TG daddy team and I hope the coach is proud of his actions. To those of you whose child barely played or did not play at all at a charity event so we could claim a victory over a mixed level YJ team I am sorry.Believe me it was not much better watching my kid stand around while they run isolation plays for the three superstars the whole game, great team game we are playing.Before you come on here with the anonymous call at least tell us you are proud of the coaching job you did.

YJ was not a mixed level team.

YJ team was not a mixed level team.

This is what I think is so funny , you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, the team that played in the finals had kids playing together that were not on the same teams over the summer and as they have not had a tryout yet it is a mixed level team. It is possible every kid on that team will be on YJ top team next year, but more than likely no. Even sadder is this is what you come on here to contradict not the fact that your TG team seemed so desperate to win that you had kids not even get into the game..I get this was not a TG team event and the TG daddy running it can do what ever he wants and if you don't like it go play for someone else but these are 11 year old kids playing at a charity event for eating disorders.Who cares who wins ,if you are okay with winning even at the price of your kids or your kids teamates confidence then that's a shame, remember these kids self images can impact them in ways we just don't understand.

YJ is just as guilty of coming to a charity event with a win at all cost attitude too. Nevermind the mindgames on 11 year old girls, gotta get the W. Guess that backfired. Way to take the good out of a good cause.

How could you even try to justify this comment. Your TG team had kids not even get in the game and had some kids not even come out of the game.Your TG team won ,maybe YJ got out coached, maybe TG more talented, maybe TG wanted it more after losing to them earlier in the day, but to say YJ went into either game with a win at all cost mentality is either just ignorant or you are just fooloing yourself.

"As for the TG Daddy remarks. This gentleman is a good guy who runs these teams with the blessing of SS and BS. He knows the game and does a good job. It's just unfortunate that everyone can't be involved because it does promote some separation amongst the team. But I'd rather has this team together getting trained than not, just because of some parents that were not included"

Awesome attitude you must be a pleasure

Lots of girls play side tournaments outside of their main organizations. My daughter plays for YJ and not only plays some extra tournaments with them, but also with friends who play for TG. Its nice they ask even though she's not part of the same organization.

No travel situation is going to be perfect. I find they've been great to meet a lot of people who love the sport that become part of your network. Ignore the BS and take advantage of opportunities in YJ or TG - and outside of them - to play the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of girls play side tournaments outside of their main organizations. My daughter plays for YJ and not only plays some extra tournaments with them, but also with friends who play for TG. Its nice they ask even though she's not part of the same organization.

No travel situation is going to be perfect. I find they've been great to meet a lot of people who love the sport that become part of your network. Ignore the BS and take advantage of opportunities in YJ or TG - and outside of them - to play the game.

You are exactly right. I make sure my daughter is involved in training, tournaments, camps etc outside the club. We will do some extra stuff with the club team, but certainly not part of the club cult, living , breathing all things club. They benefit playing with kids from other teams/clubs and learning from many coaches/trainers.

Attention all TG players that play on a fall lax team (doesn't matter which one) please play to lose as to not upset the YJ parents any further.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Attention all TG players that play on a fall lax team (doesn't matter which one) please play to lose as to not upset the YJ parents any further.

How can they paly to lose if they are sitting on the bench. Gotta get in the game first!!! Oh wait, TG girls dont care if they play cause they want to win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Attention all TG players that play on a fall lax team (doesn't matter which one) please play to lose as to not upset the YJ parents any further.

How can they paly to lose if they are sitting on the bench. Gotta get in the game first!!! Oh wait, TG girls dont care if they play cause they want to win.

Please remember you were not playing a TG team. You were playing a team put together for a crappy fall ball deal that was not even coachedy by club coaches. I have seen the real YJ teams not sub a single player in a real summer tournament coached by CR herself. Your queen bee is more win at all costs than anyone. So point all the fingers you want but don't fool yourselves, the win at all cost is merely TG following what CR has laid down.

Wow, you people make the boys discussions look tame.
You should look into the amount of very good players that completely stop playing women's lacrosse after they get to college. Crazy parents and burn out are certainly a big part of it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Attention all TG players that play on a fall lax team (doesn't matter which one) please play to lose as to not upset the YJ parents any further.

How can they paly to lose if they are sitting on the bench. Gotta get in the game first!!! Oh wait, TG girls dont care if they play cause they want to win.

Please remember you were not playing a TG team. You were playing a team put together for a crappy fall ball deal that was not even coachedy by club coaches. I have seen the real YJ teams not sub a single player in a real summer tournament coached by CR herself. Your queen bee is more win at all costs than anyone. So point all the fingers you want but don't fool yourselves, the win at all cost is merely TG following what CR has laid down.

That's what makes it even worse this was a fall tournament with teams pieced together and he treated as a NCAA championship , that's just sad and seems desperate.These tournaments are about getting better not winning. To watch a coach call isolation plays for his daughter over and over again is pathetic and anyone who had a kid on that team knows it.

Grandma always told me....when you point your finger at someone, there are 3 of your fingers pointing back at you.

Worry about your own team !!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Attention all TG players that play on a fall lax team (doesn't matter which one) please play to lose as to not upset the YJ parents any further.

How can they paly to lose if they are sitting on the bench. Gotta get in the game first!!! Oh wait, TG girls dont care if they play cause they want to win.

Please remember you were not playing a TG team. You were playing a team put together for a crappy fall ball deal that was not even coachedy by club coaches. I have seen the real YJ teams not sub a single player in a real summer tournament coached by CR herself. Your queen bee is more win at all costs than anyone. So point all the fingers you want but don't fool yourselves, the win at all cost is merely TG following what CR has laid down.

That's what makes it even worse this was a fall tournament with teams pieced together and he treated as a NCAA championship , that's just sad and seems desperate.These tournaments are about getting better not winning. To watch a coach call isolation plays for his daughter over and over again is pathetic and anyone who had a kid on that team knows it.

If you know an isolation play is coming over and over again why can't your coach figure out a way to stop it?

"If you know an isolation play is coming over and over again why can't your coach figure out a way to stop it?"

Several things , first it was stopped several times and would say more goals were scored off of rebounds which is a separate issue. At the 6 th grade age isolation plays are effective in that slides are not as good, 1 on 1 defense usually not that good as when they get older along with goalie play.I prefer especially at the younger age more of a team concept and would rather see cut ,catch ,shot than clear thru and let my two superstars go to goal over and over again.Remember this was a 7 on 7 fall tournament not an NCAA championship.If my kid were one of the kids who just got to sit there and watch isolation plays called for the same couple kids over and over or one of the ones who did not get in the game I would not be happy.I can honestly say I could care less about the score of these things and really just hope my kid and her team get better each time they play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"If you know an isolation play is coming over and over again why can't your coach figure out a way to stop it?"

Several things , first it was stopped several times and would say more goals were scored off of rebounds which is a separate issue. At the 6 th grade age isolation plays are effective in that slides are not as good, 1 on 1 defense usually not that good as when they get older along with goalie play.I prefer especially at the younger age more of a team concept and would rather see cut ,catch ,shot than clear thru and let my two superstars go to goal over and over again.Remember this was a 7 on 7 fall tournament not an NCAA championship.If my kid were one of the kids who just got to sit there and watch isolation plays called for the same couple kids over and over or one of the ones who did not get in the game I would not be happy.I can honestly say I could care less about the score of these things and really just hope my kid and her team get better each time they play.

I have an idea....Since you stated that your kid was not involved how about you critique your own team and not worry about another team...Seems you are the only person who keeps answering yourself!!!

Anyone know when rosters will be out? New to the program, excited to begin!

I was told an email should be coming out this week with rosters, winter schedule and coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Attention all TG players that play on a fall lax team (doesn't matter which one) please play to lose as to not upset the YJ parents any further.

How can they paly to lose if they are sitting on the bench. Gotta get in the game first!!! Oh wait, TG girls dont care if they play cause they want to win.

Please remember you were not playing a TG team. You were playing a team put together for a crappy fall ball deal that was not even coachedy by club coaches. I have seen the real YJ teams not sub a single player in a real summer tournament coached by CR herself. Your queen bee is more win at all costs than anyone. So point all the fingers you want but don't fool yourselves, the win at all cost is merely TG following what CR has laid down.

That's what makes it even worse this was a fall tournament with teams pieced together and he treated as a NCAA championship , that's just sad and seems desperate.These tournaments are about getting better not winning. To watch a coach call isolation plays for his daughter over and over again is pathetic and anyone who had a kid on that team knows it.

A YJ parent complaining about a "you play to win the game" philosophy. I find this completely hypocritical, because the lacrosse landscape is littered with YJ teams playing with the "win at all costs" attitude. The only difference here is that TGs won and YJs lost. That medicine the YJs so arrogantly dispensed over the years tastes pretty awful, doesn't it?

I agree, it's not the way these games should be played, by the YJs have a lot of chutzpah to be leading the charge.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Attention all TG players that play on a fall lax team (doesn't matter which one) please play to lose as to not upset the YJ parents any further.

How can they paly to lose if they are sitting on the bench. Gotta get in the game first!!! Oh wait, TG girls dont care if they play cause they want to win.

Please remember you were not playing a TG team. You were playing a team put together for a crappy fall ball deal that was not even coachedy by club coaches. I have seen the real YJ teams not sub a single player in a real summer tournament coached by CR herself. Your queen bee is more win at all costs than anyone. So point all the fingers you want but don't fool yourselves, the win at all cost is merely TG following what CR has laid down.

That's what makes it even worse this was a fall tournament with teams pieced together and he treated as a NCAA championship , that's just sad and seems desperate.These tournaments are about getting better not winning. To watch a coach call isolation plays for his daughter over and over again is pathetic and anyone who had a kid on that team knows it.

A YJ parent complaining about a "you play to win the game" philosophy. I find this completely hypocritical, because the lacrosse landscape is littered with YJ teams playing with the "win at all costs" attitude. The only difference here is that TGs won and YJs lost. That medicine the YJs so arrogantly dispensed over the years tastes pretty awful, doesn't it?

I agree, it's not the way these games should be played, by the YJs have a lot of chutzpah to be leading the charge.

Watched a YJ coach do the same thing at the Farmingdale tournament this weekend (which was supposed to be town teams only). Get the ball to "Susie" and go to goal.

Again you guys are really missing the point.If a YJ team or a TG team is playing this way especially at the younger age its ridiculous and the coaches that play it that way should be embarrassed of themselves.I get playing time does not have to be equal and have no idea what YJ team and age you are talking about at the Farmingdale tournament, but would bet every kid got into each game at some point.If the YJ coach was calling out plays specifically for one or two kids the whole game then shame on them. Again cannot really comment on a game I did not see but the games I did see your TG coach at the 2020 age was ridiculous and if my child was a part of that I would certainly let the coach know my opinion.It really is not about YJ vs TG its more about some of the crazy coaches in this age group who can destroy a kids confidence and ruin a kids lacrosse experience. Even the name of the team shows how obsessive that coach is about YJ and how he places way to much importance on the outcome when they play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was told an email should be coming out this week with rosters, winter schedule and coaches.

Thanks, hope you're right!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was told an email should be coming out this week with rosters, winter schedule and coaches.

Thanks, hope you're right!

If you know your daughter's on the team, what's the rush to see the roster? Once the team starts playing together, you'll know who's on it. Yes, it's nice to know ahead of time, but people get so anxious...They're probably still finalizing the rosters...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was told an email should be coming out this week with rosters, winter schedule and coaches.

Thanks, hope you're right!

I heard that they were not going to do the Mt. Sinai leage this year. Anyone else hear this? Where else would the younger teams go? I hope not Syosset.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I was told an email should be coming out this week with rosters, winter schedule and coaches.

Thanks, hope you're right!

If you know your daughter's on the team, what's the rush to see the roster? Once the team starts playing together, you'll know who's on it. Yes, it's nice to know ahead of time, but people get so anxious...They're probably still finalizing the rosters... [/qu
You answered your own comment-its nice to know ahead of time. I doubt they have been finalizing the rosters since August. Maybe finalizing the coaches? This is a great organization, dont put nasty responss to an innocent question from a child. Maybe the girls moved from black to purple andpurple to black want to know who they are playing with?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was told an email should be coming out this week with rosters, winter schedule and coaches.

Thanks, hope you're right!

If you know your daughter's on the team, what's the rush to see the roster? Once the team starts playing together, you'll know who's on it. Yes, it's nice to know ahead of time, but people get so anxious...They're probably still finalizing the rosters...

Actually I am the daughter! And I'm "anxious" to see the roster because I made friends with alot of different girls at the camps so I wanted to see who is on my team. Obviously the rosters are not ready but I was just asking a question.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was told an email should be coming out this week with rosters, winter schedule and coaches.

Thanks, hope you're right!

If you know your daughter's on the team, what's the rush to see the roster? Once the team starts playing together, you'll know who's on it. Yes, it's nice to know ahead of time, but people get so anxious...They're probably still finalizing the rosters...

Actually I am the daughter! And I'm "anxious" to see the roster because I made friends with alot of different girls at the camps so I wanted to see who is on my team. Obviously the rosters are not ready but I was just asking a question.

Great post. Show those dumb parents what it should be about. Playing Lacrosse and making friends!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was told an email should be coming out this week with rosters, winter schedule and coaches.

Thanks, hope you're right!

I heard that they were not going to do the Mt. Sinai leage this year. Anyone else hear this? Where else would the younger teams go? I hope not Syosset.

Syosset

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was told an email should be coming out this week with rosters, winter schedule and coaches.

Thanks, hope you're right!

I heard that they were not going to do the Mt. Sinai leage this year. Anyone else hear this? Where else would the younger teams go? I hope not Syosset.

Syosset

I guess you live out East

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was told an email should be coming out this week with rosters, winter schedule and coaches.

Thanks, hope you're right!

I heard that they were not going to do the Mt. Sinai leage this year. Anyone else hear this? Where else would the younger teams go? I hope not Syosset.

Syosset

I guess you live out East

Actually I heard they canned the Syosset idea and are doing Hauppauge. I guess we will know soon enough. I guess you live out West

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was told an email should be coming out this week with rosters, winter schedule and coaches.

Thanks, hope you're right!

I heard that they were not going to do the Mt. Sinai leage this year. Anyone else hear this? Where else would the younger teams go? I hope not Syosset.

Syosset

I guess you live out East

Actually I heard they canned the Syosset idea and are doing Hauppauge. I guess we will know soon enough. I guess you live out West

Yeah and we all travel 5 hours for the summer tournaments, only to play everyone from LI anyway.

We just received an email last night <<Deleted - embedded advertising information removed per BOTC Board Rules>>.

No word yet on rosters or coaches.

Good nothing good ever came out of mt sinai

Wow!!! 2020'S. Nice job girls, keep it up!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow!!! 2020'S. Nice job girls, keep it up!!!

2017 Parent here - what did the 2020's do?

Brag

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brag

Politics will bring this program down slowly year by year. in 5 years they will be lucky to be in top 5 clubs on long island. Will it be worth it then Shannon? Play your hot hand now, you will be forgotten soon.

Stop, in 5 years your kid will be gone or ready for college. Play for YJ and TG is for real. Stop causing crap and believe in your club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

in 5 years they will be lucky to be in top 5 clubs on long island.

BOTC has been very accurate with our first three years of predictions from tryouts to US Lacrosse details.

We can tell you for absolutely sure that the Top Guns program will be well embedded on Long Island for the next five years.

Our prediction is that the four leading girls programs will have condensed to only three programs within the next five years - but the Top Guns will not be among one of the programs absorbed.

The real challenge will be to name the top five clubs that exist in five year's time.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

in 5 years they will be lucky to be in top 5 clubs on long island.

BOTC has been very accurate with our first three years of predictions from tryouts to US Lacrosse details.

We can tell you for absolutely sure that the Top Guns program will be well embedded on Long Island within five years.

Our prediction is that the four leading girls programs will have condensed to only three programs within the next five years - but the Top Guns will not be among one of the programs absorbed.

and who are your predictions of the other 2? I respectfully disagree about TG. Too much politics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

and who are your predictions of the other 2? I respectfully disagree about TG. Too much politics.

Similar to the merger of the RipCurls into the Beach Bums, we think that there is still scope for more talent consolidation with smaller (limited number of teams) clubs finding homes in larger organizations.

Top Guns are well-entrenched in southern Suffolk County and the Hofstra WLAX connection gives this club two county coverage which should provide strength.

Unless the Yellow Jackets are acquired, they figure to be the second strong program - business conditions might change, but if the Yellow Jackets can continue to exploit a relationship with Stony Brook, that would imply that the Island's two NCAA Division I teams are aligned with the two biggest programs.

In our view, a combination of Team Elevate and Liberty is the most likely scenario - this would build a powerful organization throughout Nassau County to the Suffolk border.

The clubs that decide to form an NCAA Division II alliance (LIU/Post, Adelphi, Dowling) might form this next group in the core five.

Again, these are all business decisions looking at the Girls Lacrosse landscape on Long Island.

To fill out a potential "Top Five", we need to look into the crystal ball - SCAS, Adrenaline, Beach Bums, Teams 91 Girls? Remember that the game is just starting to gain traction in the five boroughs - one solid club from Queens, Brooklyn, and Manhattan could change the girls landscape in a hurry.

I thought fall tournaments were meaningless but yesterday as the lady rebels lead by our 2020 black TG were beating the hand picked curcio 2020 blue team. I noticed Carol Rose was on the sideline with curcio. I wonder why aren't fall tournaments meaningless?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brag

Politics will bring this program down slowly year by year. in 5 years they will be lucky to be in top 5 clubs on long island. Will it be worth it then Shannon? Play your hot hand now, you will be forgotten soon.

They seem to be the only club in the top 5 getting stronger year by year. I still will give YJ #1 as far as depth and numbers. While you will see lots of sour grapes, the truth is TG is on a steady rise. There are politics on TG, but its worse at YJs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought fall tournaments were meaningless but yesterday as the lady rebels lead by our 2020 black TG were beating the hand picked curcio 2020 blue team. I noticed Carol Rose was on the sideline with curcio. I wonder why aren't fall tournaments meaningless?

What tournament?

"Politics" are everywhere. Both clubs are strong. Fall is an opportunity for girls to work on their skills. These little wins and losses along the way are opportunities ofr fast play, practice and development. Top Guns 2020 may be exceling in this particular moment, but I would surely bet that YJ will stack up plenty of nice victories against them as well. They are a committed club with talent and great work ethics amongst their players as well.

Thank goodness for the strong level of play coming from both clubs as it will make the girls all the better players and sportsman. All the girls were competitve, but graceful, powerful, but skillful and the families cheering them on were just as pleasant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought fall tournaments were meaningless but yesterday as the lady rebels lead by our 2020 black TG were beating the hand picked curcio 2020 blue team. I noticed Carol Rose was on the sideline with curcio. I wonder why aren't fall tournaments meaningless?

You guys are really pathetic, handpicked team, the tournament was open to all YJ kids unlike your TG daddy team. Too funny CR shows up at a game and watches and its a big deal then when she does not show up its a big deal. Talk about perception your TG daddy coach called for a stick check on an 11 year old kid in a fall ball tournament.The funny thing is I guarantee your TG daddy coach hates you and if he knew who you were posting this silly nonsense he would ask you not to bring your kid anymore. By the way he was kidding with one of the YJ kids when he called for the stick check but a moron like you would come on here and make way more out of it.Get a life.

No offense but you guys have really had no where to go but up. My daughter tried out TG first year and it was a joke ,kids could barely catch and at the end Shannon declared everyone had made it. The tuff part seems to be when you get good to stay good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought fall tournaments were meaningless but yesterday as the lady rebels lead by our 2020 black TG were beating the hand picked curcio 2020 blue team. I noticed Carol Rose was on the sideline with curcio. I wonder why aren't fall tournaments meaningless?

According to YJ website curio coached gold. Sorry to burst your littler bubble.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought fall tournaments were meaningless but yesterday as the lady rebels lead by our 2020 black TG were beating the hand picked curcio 2020 blue team. I noticed Carol Rose was on the sideline with curcio. I wonder why aren't fall tournaments meaningless?

According to YJ website curio coached gold. Sorry to burst your littler bubble.

Truth is, YJ had most of the blue girls from last year on one team. They were no coached by Curcio. The rest of the blue girls played for Curcio with some girls from Jones team last year. Other Jones girls played on Pink for Chris. They played the best against us by far. So you can say that you didn't have all the blue girls together but don't say they were all separated on all the YJ teams.

Now I know why the TG 2019 parents cannot stand the TG 2020 parents .I even hear the 2020 parents talking how they do not want the best 2019 kid coming down to their team and spoiling their team chemistry, give me a break have watched that kid many times and she will easily be your best player. If you don't want her 2019 YJ will take her.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now I know why the TG 2019 parents cannot stand the TG 2020 parents .I even hear the 2020 parents talking how they do not want the best 2019 kid coming down to their team and spoiling their team chemistry, give me a break have watched that kid many times and she will easily be your best player. If you don't want her 2019 YJ will take her.

Not a TG or YJ parent. The TG 2020 team has some of the most obnoxious over-the-top parents in all of lacrosse. They truly "feel" like they are in a league of their own.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now I know why the TG 2019 parents cannot stand the TG 2020 parents .I even hear the 2020 parents talking how they do not want the best 2019 kid coming down to their team and spoiling their team chemistry, give me a break have watched that kid many times and she will easily be your best player. If you don't want her 2019 YJ will take her.

Not a TG or YJ parent. The TG 2020 team has some of the most obnoxious over-the-top parents in all of lacrosse. They truly "feel" like they are in a league of their own.

That happens every year with each new team, all the parents of the new team are all blah, blah blah, can't keep their mouths shut, funny thing is two years later most aren't on the team anymore. Young teams are very unsettled and have a lot of roster changes. That said, the TG do have incredible talent at the younger ages. I do see many girls who don't belong on some of the black teams and see many girls on purple who should easily be on black. That's politics I see the YJs doing same exact thing.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

and who are your predictions of the other 2? I respectfully disagree about TG. Too much politics.

Similar to the merger of the RipCurls into the Beach Bums, we think that there is still scope for more talent consolidation with smaller (limited number of teams) clubs finding homes in larger organizations.

Top Guns are well-entrenched in southern Suffolk County and the Hofstra WLAX connection gives this club two county coverage which should provide strength.

Unless the Yellow Jackets are acquired, they figure to be the second strong program - business conditions might change, but if the Yellow Jackets can continue to exploit a relationship with Stony Brook, that would imply that the Island's two NCAA Division I teams are aligned with the two biggest programs.

In our view, a combination of Team Elevate and Liberty is the most likely scenario - this would build a powerful organization throughout Nassau County to the Suffolk border.

The clubs that decide to form an NCAA Division II alliance (LIU/Post, Adelphi, Dowling) might form this next group in the core five.

Again, these are all business decisions looking at the Girls Lacrosse landscape on Long Island.

To fill out a potential "Top Five", we need to look into the crystal ball - SCAS, Adrenaline, Beach Bums, Teams 91 Girls? Remember that the game is just starting to gain traction in the five boroughs - one solid club from Queens, Brooklyn, and Manhattan could change the girls landscape in a hurry.

Would the elevate liberty merger produce a girls team with the name - liberate?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now I know why the TG 2019 parents cannot stand the TG 2020 parents .

Hey don't lump is all together. A group of girls from 20 black played up on 19 black summer of 2012. It must be that group of parents that they have a history with . The team chemistry will be just fine with any addition to the team that will make them better. Thank you for being so concerned with the 2020 black team

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

and who are your predictions of the other 2? I respectfully disagree about TG. Too much politics.

Similar to the merger of the RipCurls into the Beach Bums, we think that there is still scope for more talent consolidation with smaller (limited number of teams) clubs finding homes in larger organizations.

Top Guns are well-entrenched in southern Suffolk County and the Hofstra WLAX connection gives this club two county coverage which should provide strength.

Unless the Yellow Jackets are acquired, they figure to be the second strong program - business conditions might change, but if the Yellow Jackets can continue to exploit a relationship with Stony Brook, that would imply that the Island's two NCAA Division I teams are aligned with the two biggest programs.

In our view, a combination of Team Elevate and Liberty is the most likely scenario - this would build a powerful organization throughout Nassau County to the Suffolk border.

The clubs that decide to form an NCAA Division II alliance (LIU/Post, Adelphi, Dowling) might form this next group in the core five.

Again, these are all business decisions looking at the Girls Lacrosse landscape on Long Island.

To fill out a potential "Top Five", we need to look into the crystal ball - SCAS, Adrenaline, Beach Bums, Teams 91 Girls? Remember that the game is just starting to gain traction in the five boroughs - one solid club from Queens, Brooklyn, and Manhattan could change the girls landscape in a hurry.

Are Elevate and Liberty considering merging? Is that just your opinion or do you know if there have been discussions. I know that elevate played at a liberty tournament this weekend and did very well. Again - is this a prediction or fact?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now I know why the TG 2019 parents cannot stand the TG 2020 parents .

Its the 2019 parents that the rest of the club can't stand.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are Elevate and Liberty considering merging? Is that just your opinion or do you know if there have been discussions. I know that elevate played at a liberty tournament this weekend and did very well. Again - is this a prediction or fact?

To be clear, this was opinion on our part. It is clear to us that Team Elevate has aspirations of expanding and continuing the growth of their Global Lacrosee alliance. It is also clear that the Long Island Liberty has been lower key over recent years with a focus on their Black Diamond brand in addition to their local programs. BOTC saw a combination of the two to be an excellent jump start to forming a third powerhouse organization on Long Island.

Do we need a third powerhouse? Probably not since it only takes two to create true competition. However, this would create an extremely interesting Nassau/Suffolk dynamic in girls club lacrosse.

The key point in our prediction however is the Queens, Brooklyn, and Manhattan aspect. Eventually, a club will pull together lacrosse athletes from that broader region and be able to create a regional contender overnight.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now I know why the TG 2019 parents cannot stand the TG 2020 parents .I even hear the 2020 parents talking how they do not want the best 2019 kid coming down to their team and spoiling their team chemistry, give me a break have watched that kid many times and she will easily be your best player. If you don't want her 2019 YJ will take her.

Not a TG or YJ parent. The TG 2020 team has some of the most obnoxious over-the-top parents in all of lacrosse. They truly "feel" like they are in a league of their own.

That happens every year with each new team, all the parents of the new team are all blah, blah blah, can't keep their mouths shut, funny thing is two years later most aren't on the team anymore. Young teams are very unsettled and have a lot of roster changes. That said, the TG do have incredible talent at the younger ages. I do see many girls who don't belong on some of the black teams and see many girls on purple who should easily be on black. That's politics I see the YJs doing same exact thing.

Too funny,you fell into the very category you were making fun of. Incredible talent, then why is it 2019, 2020 have never won a competitive tournament. If they are hanging their hat onto winning some fall ball games then they have to accept that they have lost some fall ball games to teams they are claiming to be not very good.Anyone who has coached at the younger level knows that having a team with only a few subs that has no or a few of the lesser players from your top team has a major advantage over a team that has enough kids to make full line changes especially when it includes kids who may be on the back half of the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now I know why the TG 2019 parents cannot stand the TG 2020 parents .I even hear the 2020 parents talking how they do not want the best 2019 kid coming down to their team and spoiling their team chemistry, give me a break have watched that kid many times and she will easily be your best player. If you don't want her 2019 YJ will take her.

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Hey don't lump is all together. A group of girls from 20 black played up on 19 black summer of 2012. It must be that group of parents that they have a history with . The team chemistry will be just fine with any addition to the team that will make them better. Thank you for being so concerned with the 2020 black team

I agree, 2020 Girls will welcome this girl, as many have already played with her. Team chemistry will be fine, it is the coach's job to make sure everyone is on the same page, I trust he will

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are Elevate and Liberty considering merging? Is that just your opinion or do you know if there have been discussions. I know that elevate played at a liberty tournament this weekend and did very well. Again - is this a prediction or fact?

To be clear, this was opinion on our part. It is clear to us that Team Elevate has aspirations of expanding and continuing the growth of their Global Lacrosee alliance. It is also clear that the Long Island Liberty has been lower key over recent years with a focus on their Black Diamond brand in addition to their local programs. BOTC saw a combination of the two to be an excellent jump start to forming a third powerhouse organization on Long Island.

Do we need a third powerhouse? Probably not since it only takes two to create true competition. However, this would create an extremely interesting Nassau/Suffolk dynamic in girls club lacrosse.

The key point in our prediction however is the Queens, Brooklyn, and Manhattan aspect. Eventually, a club will pull together lacrosse athletes from that broader region and be able to create a regional contender overnight.

The idea of those two cultures merging is quite laughable, DG and Liberty are a very classy group of coaches and parents, who know how to win and lose graciously. On the other hand, Elevate has an abundance of over the top, narcissists starting at the top folowed by the coaches and most of the parents - NEVER HAPPEN!

Both organizations classy. Whether you want to admit it or not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both organizations classy. Whether you want to admit it or not.

I don't think that Liberty was ever banned from National Draw because of their behavior...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now I know why the TG 2019 parents cannot stand the TG 2020 parents .

Its the 2019 parents that the rest of the club can't stand.

She was easily the best player for 2019, will easily be the best in 2020, and she also played 2018 and was by far better than everyone two years older. She is a great kid and a great player, crazy field awareness and very high lax IQ. My daughter had the chance to play with her and I have nothing but praise as she is a rare player that makes everyone around her a better player.

NICE!!

I am a 19 parent and I am very nice

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now I know why the TG 2019 parents cannot stand the TG 2020 parents .

Its the 2019 parents that the rest of the club can't stand.

She was easily the best player for 2019, will easily be the best in 2020, and she also played 2018 and was by far better than everyone two years older. She is a great kid and a great player, crazy field awareness and very high lax IQ. My daughter had the chance to play with her and I have nothing but praise as she is a rare player that makes everyone around her a better player.

Yes, there is no arguing the girl is a very good lax player! She is definitely an asset to whatever team she plays for. However, if she plays for 2020 - she is leaving a very good team with strong players (2019) and joining a very good team that also has strong players (2020). Either way lax is still a TEAM sport and regardless of how good you may or may not be you still need the rest of your team to help you! This applies to youth, club, school and college! I would also expect her to be stronger than most of the 2020 girls since she is a year older!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now I know why the TG 2019 parents cannot stand the TG 2020 parents .

Its the 2019 parents that the rest of the club can't stand.

She was easily the best player for 2019, will easily be the best in 2020, and she also played 2018 and was by far better than everyone two years older. She is a great kid and a great player, crazy field awareness and very high lax IQ. My daughter had the chance to play with her and I have nothing but praise as she is a rare player that makes everyone around her a better player.

Seriously, kid is good player but not even best player on 2019 which is stacked w talent. Will be funny when she has to play at 2020 age in that those parents are crazy and now when little Susie superstar is the only focus of the offense you can bet some parents will be upset.Even better will be when those parents go and complain to B.S.does he cave to his superstar as he has done in the past and risk having kids leave the team .By the way saying she was best player 2 years older is just ridiculous,but thanks for the analysis mom or was it auntie.

She may be a few months older than some 2020 kids - big deal. Age has nothing to do with why she is better. She is not bigger, stronger or faster than everyone else. Did age matter when she played with the 2018 or 2019 kids. She is younger and smaller than all of them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

She may be a few months older than some 2020 kids - big deal. Age has nothing to do with why she is better. She is not bigger, stronger or faster than everyone else. Did age matter when she played with the 2018 or 2019 kids. She is younger and smaller than all of them.

Why would you post this, you obviously know the kid and yet you come on here and lie." A few months older than some 2020 kids, actually she will be over a year older than many of the kids."The fact is if the club teams would move to an aged based system the kid you are talking about would be forced to play 2 years above many of her teammates." Younger and smaller than all of them", give me a break ,another fact for you when its her time for the U15 tournament she will not be allowed to play with her current teammates.Cage on another note what can be done to pressure clubs to use age based systems so these discussions no longer have to take place.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now I know why the TG 2019 parents cannot stand the TG 2020 parents .

Its the 2019 parents that the rest of the club can't stand.

She was easily the best player for 2019, will easily be the best in 2020, and she also played 2018 and was by far better than everyone two years older. She is a great kid and a great player, crazy field awareness and very high lax IQ. My daughter had the chance to play with her and I have nothing but praise as she is a rare player that makes everyone around her a better player.

Yes, there is no arguing the girl is a very good lax player! She is definitely an asset to whatever team she plays for. However, if she plays for 2020 - she is leaving a very good team with strong players (2019) and joining a very good team that also has strong players (2020). Either way lax is still a TEAM sport and regardless of how good you may or may not be you still need the rest of your team to help you! This applies to youth, club, school and college! I would also expect her to be stronger than most of the 2020 girls since she is a year older!

Was supposed to say **better** not stronger - damn auto correct!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

She may be a few months older than some 2020 kids - big deal. Age has nothing to do with why she is better. She is not bigger, stronger or faster than everyone else. Did age matter when she played with the 2018 or 2019 kids. She is younger and smaller than all of them.

Why would you post this, you obviously know the kid and yet you come on here and lie." A few months older than some 2020 kids, actually she will be over a year older than many of the kids."The fact is if the club teams would move to an aged based system the kid you are talking about would be forced to play 2 years above many of her teammates." Younger and smaller than all of them", give me a break ,another fact for you when its her time for the U15 tournament she will not be allowed to play with her current teammates.Cage on another note what can be done to pressure clubs to use age based systems so these discussions no longer have to take place.

Would seem if she's a 2019 birthdate then she would be one year younger than 2018, the same age as 2019 and a year older than 2020! We are talking about age not grad year!

You people all need to get a life. You are debating over an 11 year old girl. Find a better hobby.

Correction.....12 year old girl

Originally Posted by Anonymous

She may be a few months older than some 2020 kids - big deal. Age has nothing to do with why she is better. She is not bigger, stronger or faster than everyone else. Did age matter when she played with the 2018 or 2019 kids. She is younger and smaller than all of them.

Why would you post this, you obviously know the kid and yet you come on here and lie." A few months older than some 2020 kids, actually she will be over a year older than many of the kids."The fact is if the club teams would move to an aged based system the kid you are talking about would be forced to play 2 years above many of her teammates." Younger and smaller than all of them", give me a break ,another fact for you when its her time for the U15 tournament she will not be allowed to play with her current teammates.Cage on another note what can be done to pressure clubs to use age based systems so these discussions no longer have to take place.

Would seem if she's a 2019 birthdate then she would be one year younger than 2018, the same age as 2019 and a year older than 2020! We are talking about age not grad year!

Did the parents of this child wait until she was six before they registered her for kindergarten? I heard of people doing this so their child would have some kind of advantage when it comes to athletics.

Nothing because college coaches want it this way and that is who (in addition to the parents) the club directors pander to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now I know why the TG 2019 parents cannot stand the TG 2020 parents .

Its the 2019 parents that the rest of the club can't stand.

She was easily the best player for 2019, will easily be the best in 2020, and she also played 2018 and was by far better than everyone two years older. She is a great kid and a great player, crazy field awareness and very high lax IQ. My daughter had the chance to play with her and I have nothing but praise as she is a rare player that makes everyone around her a better player.

Seriously, kid is good player but not even best player on 2019 which is stacked w talent. Will be funny when she has to play at 2020 age in that those parents are crazy and now when little Susie superstar is the only focus of the offense you can bet some parents will be upset.Even better will be when those parents go and complain to B.S.does he cave to his superstar as he has done in the past and risk having kids leave the team .By the way saying she was best player 2 years older is just ridiculous,but thanks for the analysis mom or was it auntie.

Wrong. Parent of a 2018 teammate and she was better by far than anyone on that team. That being said, 2018 has many good players but no great players, no standout studs. Team has changed alot in past two years. Have to say when she was on team they played much better lacrosse than now, great transition, passing assists. Now every kid on the team fancies herself the stud and has a go to goal mentality. Whatever, hey I am jealous of this girl just like you, except I wish my kid played like her and wish her well, you are jealous and ill willed, you are a sorry excuse for a parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now I know why the TG 2019 parents cannot stand the TG 2020 parents .

Its the 2019 parents that the rest of the club can't stand.

She was easily the best player for 2019, will easily be the best in 2020, and she also played 2018 and was by far better than everyone two years older. She is a great kid and a great player, crazy field awareness and very high lax IQ. My daughter had the chance to play with her and I have nothing but praise as she is a rare player that makes everyone around her a better player.

Seriously, kid is good player but not even best player on 2019 which is stacked w talent. Will be funny when she has to play at 2020 age in that those parents are crazy and now when little Susie superstar is the only focus of the offense you can bet some parents will be upset.Even better will be when those parents go and complain to B.S.does he cave to his superstar as he has done in the past and risk having kids leave the team .By the way saying she was best player 2 years older is just ridiculous,but thanks for the analysis mom or was it auntie.

Wrong. Parent of a 2018 teammate and she was better by far than anyone on that team. That being said, 2018 has many good players but no great players, no standout studs. Team has changed alot in past two years. Have to say when she was on team they played much better lacrosse than now, great transition, passing assists. Now every kid on the team fancies herself the stud and has a go to goal mentality. Whatever, hey I am jealous of this girl just like you, except I wish my kid played like her and wish her well, you are jealous and ill willed, you are a sorry excuse for a parent.

This entire thread is an embarrassment to the club, you people are ALL INSANE AND NEED TO GET A LIFE!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now I know why the TG 2019 parents cannot stand the TG 2020 parents .

Its the 2019 parents that the rest of the club can't stand.

She was easily the best player for 2019, will easily be the best in 2020, and she also played 2018 and was by far better than everyone two years older. She is a great kid and a great player, crazy field awareness and very high lax IQ. My daughter had the chance to play with her and I have nothing but praise as she is a rare player that makes everyone around her a better player.

Seriously, kid is good player but not even best player on 2019 which is stacked w talent. Will be funny when she has to play at 2020 age in that those parents are crazy and now when little Susie superstar is the only focus of the offense you can bet some parents will be upset.Even better will be when those parents go and complain to B.S.does he cave to his superstar as he has done in the past and risk having kids leave the team .By the way saying she was best player 2 years older is just ridiculous,but thanks for the analysis mom or was it auntie.

Wrong. Parent of a 2018 teammate and she was better by far than anyone on that team. That being said, 2018 has many good players but no great players, no standout studs. Team has changed alot in past two years. Have to say when she was on team they played much better lacrosse than now, great transition, passing assists. Now every kid on the team fancies herself the stud and has a go to goal mentality. Whatever, hey I am jealous of this girl just like you, except I wish my kid played like her and wish her well, you are jealous and ill willed, you are a sorry excuse for a parent.

This entire thread is an embarrassment to the club, you people are ALL INSANE AND NEED TO GET A LIFE!

I tink this whole topic needs to be put to bed. Enough already, calling out a sixth grader and anonymously critiquing her. Chide the coach (as you did) but stop discussing an 11yo. It's ugly. Better yet, talk to the coach instead of venting anon here.

What does everyone think about the new "winter league" format?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does everyone think about the new "winter league" format?

Confused-is it 7v7 on a full field? Who are the opponents?

Very happy with the decision. I think teams will benefit training in the winter instead of waiting until May.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does everyone think about the new "winter league" format?

Confused-is it 7v7 on a full field? Who are the opponents?

You can't give a meaningful opinion until it starts, and possibly even a week or two in. Sounds like it might be a combination of practice, and scrimmaging, 7v7, etc. If it's done right, it can be much more productive for the team, and the players, than the winter league. Might take a few weeks to get it worked out, since they've never done it this way before. It sounds very similar to the YJ middle school winter league, at KK. Instructional games, with play stoppages, to explain & correct. That's what I'm hoping for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does everyone think about the new "winter league" format?

I'm okay with it. It's closer, for one thing.

Winter leagues, IMO, are only about keeping the stick in the hand, the competition is random, the standings mean nothing, half the time only a fraction of any given team shows up, so the thought of a scrimmage format works for me. Game play with instruction.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does everyone think about the new "winter league" format?

I'm okay with it. It's closer, for one thing.

Winter leagues, IMO, are only about keeping the stick in the hand, the competition is random, the standings mean nothing, half the time only a fraction of any given team shows up, so the thought of a scrimmage format works for me. Game play with instruction.

Sounds much better!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does everyone think about the new "winter league" format?

I'm okay with it. It's closer, for one thing.

Winter leagues, IMO, are only about keeping the stick in the hand, the competition is random, the standings mean nothing, half the time only a fraction of any given team shows up, so the thought of a scrimmage format works for me. Game play with instruction.

Sounds much better!

Fill me in, my daughter is on a "older" team.. we are still playing in a winter league. although pretty far out west in nassau county..Whats the new program??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does everyone think about the new "winter league" format?

I'm okay with it. It's closer, for one thing.

Winter leagues, IMO, are only about keeping the stick in the hand, the competition is random, the standings mean nothing, half the time only a fraction of any given team shows up, so the thought of a scrimmage format works for me. Game play with instruction.

Sounds much better!

What is the new winter league?

Fill me in, my daughter is on a "older" team.. we are still playing in a winter league. although pretty far out west in nassau county..Whats the new program??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does everyone think about the new "winter league" format?

I'm okay with it. It's closer, for one thing.

Winter leagues, IMO, are only about keeping the stick in the hand, the competition is random, the standings mean nothing, half the time only a fraction of any given team shows up, so the thought of a scrimmage format works for me. Game play with instruction.

Sounds much better!

What is the new winter league?

Fill me in, my daughter is on a "older" team.. we are still playing in a winter league. although pretty far out west in nassau county..Whats the new program??

Call Bill he will fill you in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does everyone think about the new "winter league" format?

What is the format?

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What is the format? [/quote]
From the email sent out :
This year we have decided to do something a little bit different for winter league. In years past we have played in winter league that usually cost each individual family to much money along with not the greatest competition.

So here is our plan for this upcoming year. We have rented out a facility. We will have the place from 4pm to 10pm. Below are the following dates:

11/24/13
12/1/13
12/8/13
12/15/13
12/22/13
1/5/13

Here are the times each age group would participate:

4pm to 5pm = 2021s
5pm to 6pm = 2020s
6pm to 7pm = 2019s
7pm to 8pm = 2018s
8pm to 9pm = 2017s
9pm to 10pm = 2016s and 2015s

Each hour will be full field games, 7v7s along with instruction.
----------------------------------------------------

Does anyone know if the girls will be broken down into black, purple , and white, who will do the coaching?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[/quote]
What is the format?

From the email sent out :
This year we have decided to do something a little bit different for winter league. In years past we have played in winter league that usually cost each individual family to much money along with not the greatest competition.

So here is our plan for this upcoming year. We have rented out a facility. We will have the place from 4pm to 10pm. Below are the following dates:

11/24/13
12/1/13
12/8/13
12/15/13
12/22/13
1/5/13

Here are the times each age group would participate:

4pm to 5pm = 2021s
5pm to 6pm = 2020s
6pm to 7pm = 2019s
7pm to 8pm = 2018s
8pm to 9pm = 2017s
9pm to 10pm = 2016s and 2015s

Each hour will be full field games, 7v7s along with instruction.
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Does anyone know if the girls will be broken down into black, purple , and white, who will do the coaching? [/quote]

What facility will the girls be practicing at?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What facility will the girls be practicing at?

Check your e-mail from the Top Guns - the details are in that note. If you are not part of the Top Guns, the location does not matter.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What facility will the girls be practicing at?

Check your e-mail from the Top Guns - the details are in that note. If you are not part of the Top Guns, the location does not matter.

Exactly...there's no need to re-post Bill's internal Top Guns email on this public forum. I'm sure he'd love to know you're doing that (not you Cage - whoever pasted that email here)...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What facility will the girls be practicing at?

Check your e-mail from the Top Guns - the details are in that note. If you are not part of the Top Guns, the location does not matter.

Exactly...there's no need to re-post Bill's internal Top Guns email on this public forum. I'm sure he'd love to know you're doing that (not you Cage - whoever pasted that email here)...

E-mails unless labeled confidential can be placed into the public domain without question. That aside, BOTC removed the facility details from the posting when we moderated the post.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What facility will the girls be practicing at?

Check your e-mail from the Top Guns - the details are in that note. If you are not part of the Top Guns, the location does not matter.

Exactly...there's no need to re-post Bill's internal Top Guns email on this public forum. I'm sure he'd love to know you're doing that (not you Cage - whoever pasted that email here)...

E-mails unless labeled confidential can be placed into the public domain without question. That aside, BOTC removed the facility details from the posting when we moderated the post.

Understood. I didn't mean that it was a violation of the rules..just a move that I'm sure Bill wouldn't appreciate...

Is there a 2020 tournament somewhere this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What facility will the girls be practicing at?

Check your e-mail from the Top Guns - the details are in that note. If you are not part of the Top Guns, the location does not matter.

Exactly...there's no need to re-post Bill's internal Top Guns email on this public forum. I'm sure he'd love to know you're doing that (not you Cage - whoever pasted that email here)...

E-mails unless labeled confidential can be placed into the public domain without question. That aside, BOTC removed the facility details from the posting when we moderated the post.

Understood. I didn't mean that it was a violation of the rules..just a move that I'm sure Bill wouldn't appreciate...

While posting the email was probably not the smartest move, what's in it that that is top secret? people will ask what Winter League TG is playing in, and will be told the answer. I know I have already spoken with people about the winter league plans. This is a non issue, why make it one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there a 2020 tournament somewhere this weekend?

There's a tournament somewhere every weekend...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What facility will the girls be practicing at?

Check your e-mail from the Top Guns - the details are in that note. If you are not part of the Top Guns, the location does not matter.

Exactly...there's no need to re-post Bill's internal Top Guns email on this public forum. I'm sure he'd love to know you're doing that (not you Cage - whoever pasted that email here)...

E-mails unless labeled confidential can be placed into the public domain without question. That aside, BOTC removed the facility details from the posting when we moderated the post.

Understood. I didn't mean that it was a violation of the rules..just a move that I'm sure Bill wouldn't appreciate...

Reading this as a new TG parent makes me a little sick. Do you really think other people care where these 12 year old kids are practicing? Do you think somebody is going to bug the place and secretly record the practices? I mean really get over yourself! I hope this is not what we are in for this year otherwise I will be regretting our choice of clubs. Who cares if anyone knows what venue we at it.

Stop saying " we". Your obviously not a TG. Good bye

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What facility will the girls be practicing at?

Check your e-mail from the Top Guns - the details are in that note. If you are not part of the Top Guns, the location does not matter.

Exactly...there's no need to re-post Bill's internal Top Guns email on this public forum. I'm sure he'd love to know you're doing that (not you Cage - whoever pasted that email here)...

E-mails unless labeled confidential can be placed into the public domain without question. That aside, BOTC removed the facility details from the posting when we moderated the post.

Understood. I didn't mean that it was a violation of the rules..just a move that I'm sure Bill wouldn't appreciate...

Reading this as a new TG parent makes me a little sick. Do you really think other people care where these 12 year old kids are practicing? Do you think somebody is going to bug the place and secretly record the practices? I mean really get over yourself! I hope this is not what we are in for this year otherwise I will be regretting our choice of clubs. Who cares if anyone knows what venue we at it.

You missed my point. I was not saying that the information should be kept secret. However, if nobody cares, why are they asking here, on a public forum? You're right - nobody should care, and if they do, call Bill and ask. I was saying that I don't think it's right to copy and paste his exact email, into this public forum. If nobody cares, why post it? Anybody that it applies to would have the email already. People are crazy with their over-analyzing, scrutinizing, and criticizing, when it comes to these young girls - especially all the YJ vs. TG garbage!

If that post bothered you, and would actually make you re-think your decision, you're in for a long year. It's not too late - YJ tryouts are right around the corner.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop saying " we". Your obviously not a TG. Good bye

You are right and they should know better, there is no WE on TG.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop saying " we". Your obviously not a TG. Good bye

You are right and they should know better, there is no WE on TG.

There is no WE on TG. Just HER (SS).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What facility will the girls be practicing at?

Check your e-mail from the Top Guns - the details are in that note. If you are not part of the Top Guns, the location does not matter.

Exactly...there's no need to re-post Bill's internal Top Guns email on this public forum. I'm sure he'd love to know you're doing that (not you Cage - whoever pasted that email here)...

E-mails unless labeled confidential can be placed into the public domain without question. That aside, BOTC removed the facility details from the posting when we moderated the post.

Understood. I didn't mean that it was a violation of the rules..just a move that I'm sure Bill wouldn't appreciate...

Reading this as a new TG parent makes me a little sick. Do you really think other people care where these 12 year old kids are practicing? Do you think somebody is going to bug the place and secretly record the practices? I mean really get over yourself! I hope this is not what we are in for this year otherwise I will be regretting our choice of clubs. Who cares if anyone knows what venue we at it.

Get used to it. This is the mentality/attitude of how things are done. I think it has gotten far worse recently and it isn't the people running the club as much as it is the parents and I am not exactly sure why. While you will find some "down to earth" parents, the larger population does have this kind of attitude/mindset. You will know in a fairly short period of time if this program is for you and most importantly, if it is for your daughter. I was once told, you will know when you find the right club and I will offer you the same advice. You will know and get a feeling that it is either a place you feel your child belongs or she does not but I can asure you, it is not for everyone. Good luck and make the best out of your decision.

I agree that every club is not for everyone, and each has its strengths and weaknesses, that impact each family differently. What are you talking about when you say "the larger population does have this kind of attitude/mindset"? What kind of attitude/mindset?

very dissapointed in the recruiting process from topguns. all SS cares about is her college. not to many 2015's committed. should have stayed with YJ.

a 2015 parent

Why would you leave the 2015 YJ team ? Are you nuts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

very dissapointed in the recruiting process from topguns. all SS cares about is her college. not to many 2015's committed. should have stayed with YJ.

a 2015 parent

Since working for that college is her job, shouldn't that be her first priority?

Still early besides their commitment numbers very similar

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you leave the 2015 YJ team ? Are you nuts?

...to win the national championship!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

very dissapointed in the recruiting process from topguns. all SS cares about is her college. not to many 2015's committed. should have stayed with YJ.

a 2015 parent

That's completely false...sorry if it didn't work out for your daughter, but that's not all she cares about! I've seen it first hand, with how she helped our daughter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still early besides their commitment numbers very similar

That was just somebody looking to whine, or start some nonsense, that's all...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you leave the 2015 YJ team ? Are you nuts?

...to win the national championship!

Hahahaha...very true!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What does everyone think about the new "winter league" format?

I'm okay with it. It's closer, for one thing.

Winter leagues, IMO, are only about keeping the stick in the hand, the competition is random, the standings mean nothing, half the time only a fraction of any given team shows up, so the thought of a scrimmage format works for me. Game play with instruction.

Sounds much better!

What is the new winter league?

Fill me in, my daughter is on a "older" team.. we are still playing in a winter league. although pretty far out west in nassau county..Whats the new program??

Call Bill he will fill you in.

I would call Bill if it pertained to my daughter, as I stated I have an older kid who's team is playing in an indoor league, I was curious about what the winter plans might be for the younger groups.. thanks for the help!

What is the big deal about people knowing the winter plans for some of these teams. All you read is call Bill if you have a question, does he seriously want to be bothered with a lot of these simple questions? I get the feeling its done to hide what TG is doing from the competition but do you really think they care that much? All this talk about how different clubs playing one another is great for all the clubs yet keep the plans very secret so no other club could possibly put a team in if they were looking for better competition, all the cloak and dagger seems silly to me.

^^ agreed, the purpose of this forum is to talk about lacrosse... if you don't want to talk..stay off BOTC

But that YJ 2015 team is unbeatable. They dominate. Aren't they the team that never lost?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But that YJ 2015 team is unbeatable. They dominate. Aren't they the team that never lost?

Love how top guns just can't stop talking about YJ on their own website!
Perhaps you shouldnt care so much about another club?

yeah thats the Yj 2015 team that lost to skywalkers in the U15 national championships in 2012 in the quartes. couldnt even make it to the finals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But that YJ 2015 team is unbeatable. They dominate. Aren't they the team that never lost?

Love how top guns just can't stop talking about YJ on their own website!
Perhaps you shouldnt care so much about another club?

Both sets of parents are so caught up in each other, it's unbelievable...half the time, what you're reading is from a parent from the other club, so don't be so sure it's a TG or YJ parent...

The whole argument is stupid. Lots of the girls friends from both teams and have mutual respect for one another

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But that YJ 2015 team is unbeatable. They dominate. Aren't they the team that never lost?

Love how top guns just can't stop talking about YJ on their own website!
Perhaps you shouldnt care so much about another club?

Both sets of parents are so caught up in each other, it's unbelievable...half the time, what you're reading is from a parent from the other club, so don't be so sure it's a TG or YJ parent...

I have come to an epiphany as of late (and I'm sure you will get a chuckle out of this sage). I think that we all owe the directors of the 3 major girls clubs an equal and sincere debt of gratitude and thanks. And I truly mean every parent, and every player from all 3. With my daughter nearly done reaching the goal, I now have a chance to see how even though there was a good amount of rivalry, companionship, and hart ache all three directors have helped each and very girl on all three clubs grow into (mostly) good woman that no the meaning of perseverance, hard work, and intestinal fortitude. our girls learned how to pick themselves up and continue on when they lost, got cut , or faced a myriad of other obstacles. They learned how to lose with dignity, and win with grace, all because these 3 woman. We may not always agree with the tactics, or politics, but the healthy rivalry between the 3 clubs is intricate to these lessons.

To the parents of the younger clubs, try not to be to concerned with who beats who, or what club is the best, truth is all these girls are fantastic athletes that we parents either wish we still were, or could have been. Each club has a different style, just like each girl is different, so though you may not have been chosen for a club, only means that your daughter doesn't play that "brand" of lacrosse. Try not to get to into wins and loses, and enjoy the time you spend with your athlete, because that time is fleeting, and hopefully she'll be playing for a D1 that may be too far away for you to ever see her play again
In closing let me say thank you to Carol, Shannon, and Danielle. for all the lessons you teach our daughters

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But that YJ 2015 team is unbeatable. They dominate. Aren't they the team that never lost?

Love how top guns just can't stop talking about YJ on their own website!
Perhaps you shouldnt care so much about another club?

Both sets of parents are so caught up in each other, it's unbelievable...half the time, what you're reading is from a parent from the other club, so don't be so sure it's a TG or YJ parent...

I have come to an epiphany as of late (and I'm sure you will get a chuckle out of this sage). I think that we all owe the directors of the 3 major girls clubs an equal and sincere debt of gratitude and thanks. And I truly mean every parent, and every player from all 3. With my daughter nearly done reaching the goal, I now have a chance to see how even though there was a good amount of rivalry, companionship, and hart ache all three directors have helped each and very girl on all three clubs grow into (mostly) good woman that no the meaning of perseverance, hard work, and intestinal fortitude. our girls learned how to pick themselves up and continue on when they lost, got cut , or faced a myriad of other obstacles. They learned how to lose with dignity, and win with grace, all because these 3 woman. We may not always agree with the tactics, or politics, but the healthy rivalry between the 3 clubs is intricate to these lessons.

To the parents of the younger clubs, try not to be to concerned with who beats who, or what club is the best, truth is all these girls are fantastic athletes that we parents either wish we still were, or could have been. Each club has a different style, just like each girl is different, so though you may not have been chosen for a club, only means that your daughter doesn't play that "brand" of lacrosse. Try not to get to into wins and loses, and enjoy the time you spend with your athlete, because that time is fleeting, and hopefully she'll be playing for a D1 that may be too far away for you to ever see her play again
In closing let me say thank you to Carol, Shannon, and Danielle. for all the lessons you teach our daughters

Excellent!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But that YJ 2015 team is unbeatable. They dominate. Aren't they the team that never lost?

Love how top guns just can't stop talking about YJ on their own website!
Perhaps you shouldnt care so much about another club?

Both sets of parents are so caught up in each other, it's unbelievable...half the time, what you're reading is from a parent from the other club, so don't be so sure it's a TG or YJ parent...

I have come to an epiphany as of late (and I'm sure you will get a chuckle out of this sage). I think that we all owe the directors of the 3 major girls clubs an equal and sincere debt of gratitude and thanks. And I truly mean every parent, and every player from all 3. With my daughter nearly done reaching the goal, I now have a chance to see how even though there was a good amount of rivalry, companionship, and hart ache all three directors have helped each and very girl on all three clubs grow into (mostly) good woman that no the meaning of perseverance, hard work, and intestinal fortitude. our girls learned how to pick themselves up and continue on when they lost, got cut , or faced a myriad of other obstacles. They learned how to lose with dignity, and win with grace, all because these 3 woman. We may not always agree with the tactics, or politics, but the healthy rivalry between the 3 clubs is intricate to these lessons.

To the parents of the younger clubs, try not to be to concerned with who beats who, or what club is the best, truth is all these girls are fantastic athletes that we parents either wish we still were, or could have been. Each club has a different style, just like each girl is different, so though you may not have been chosen for a club, only means that your daughter doesn't play that "brand" of lacrosse. Try not to get to into wins and loses, and enjoy the time you spend with your athlete, because that time is fleeting, and hopefully she'll be playing for a D1 that may be too far away for you to ever see her play again
In closing let me say thank you to Carol, Shannon, and Danielle. for all the lessons you teach our daughters

Talk about irony. In one paragraph the writer says we owe it all to 3 major clubs (when there are far more than 3 clubs as well as JV and HS coaches that attributed to the success of all these girls) and then the writer goes on to say - but it doesnt matter what club you play for (as long as it is one of the 3 major ones).

Looks like someone is smoking the hookah pipe

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But that YJ 2015 team is unbeatable. They dominate. Aren't they the team that never lost?

Love how top guns just can't stop talking about YJ on their own website!
Perhaps you shouldnt care so much about another club?

Both sets of parents are so caught up in each other, it's unbelievable...half the time, what you're reading is from a parent from the other club, so don't be so sure it's a TG or YJ parent...

I have come to an epiphany as of late (and I'm sure you will get a chuckle out of this sage). I think that we all owe the directors of the 3 major girls clubs an equal and sincere debt of gratitude and thanks. And I truly mean every parent, and every player from all 3. With my daughter nearly done reaching the goal, I now have a chance to see how even though there was a good amount of rivalry, companionship, and hart ache all three directors have helped each and very girl on all three clubs grow into (mostly) good woman that no the meaning of perseverance, hard work, and intestinal fortitude. our girls learned how to pick themselves up and continue on when they lost, got cut , or faced a myriad of other obstacles. They learned how to lose with dignity, and win with grace, all because these 3 woman. We may not always agree with the tactics, or politics, but the healthy rivalry between the 3 clubs is intricate to these lessons.

To the parents of the younger clubs, try not to be to concerned with who beats who, or what club is the best, truth is all these girls are fantastic athletes that we parents either wish we still were, or could have been. Each club has a different style, just like each girl is different, so though you may not have been chosen for a club, only means that your daughter doesn't play that "brand" of lacrosse. Try not to get to into wins and loses, and enjoy the time you spend with your athlete, because that time is fleeting, and hopefully she'll be playing for a D1 that may be too far away for you to ever see her play again
In closing let me say thank you to Carol, Shannon, and Danielle. for all the lessons you teach our daughters

Talk about irony. In one paragraph the writer says we owe it all to 3 major clubs (when there are far more than 3 clubs as well as JV and HS coaches that attributed to the success of all these girls) and then the writer goes on to say - but it doesnt matter what club you play for (as long as it is one of the 3 major ones).

I laughed at few points:

1. Liberty is a major club? Not anymore.
2. Thank you to Shannon - how old is Top Guns? Her first set of teams are only now going through the recruiting process.
3. Learned to lose with dignity and grace - have you ever seen Carol or Danielle after a loss?
4. Healthy rivalry? - Carol vs. Shannon - you call that healthy with all of the garbage that is spewed.

Thanks for the chuckle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But that YJ 2015 team is unbeatable. They dominate. Aren't they the team that never lost?

Love how top guns just can't stop talking about YJ on their own website!
Perhaps you shouldnt care so much about another club?

Both sets of parents are so caught up in each other, it's unbelievable...half the time, what you're reading is from a parent from the other club, so don't be so sure it's a TG or YJ parent...

I have come to an epiphany as of late (and I'm sure you will get a chuckle out of this sage). I think that we all owe the directors of the 3 major girls clubs an equal and sincere debt of gratitude and thanks. And I truly mean every parent, and every player from all 3. With my daughter nearly done reaching the goal, I now have a chance to see how even though there was a good amount of rivalry, companionship, and hart ache all three directors have helped each and very girl on all three clubs grow into (mostly) good woman that no the meaning of perseverance, hard work, and intestinal fortitude. our girls learned how to pick themselves up and continue on when they lost, got cut , or faced a myriad of other obstacles. They learned how to lose with dignity, and win with grace, all because these 3 woman. We may not always agree with the tactics, or politics, but the healthy rivalry between the 3 clubs is intricate to these lessons.

To the parents of the younger clubs, try not to be to concerned with who beats who, or what club is the best, truth is all these girls are fantastic athletes that we parents either wish we still were, or could have been. Each club has a different style, just like each girl is different, so though you may not have been chosen for a club, only means that your daughter doesn't play that "brand" of lacrosse. Try not to get to into wins and loses, and enjoy the time you spend with your athlete, because that time is fleeting, and hopefully she'll be playing for a D1 that may be too far away for you to ever see her play again
In closing let me say thank you to Carol, Shannon, and Danielle. for all the lessons you teach our daughters

Hardly an epiphany to say the least

Did u see the list of schools the yj 2015 class is going to. Or the list of micky mouse schools the other club is going to. I never heard of some of these schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did u see the list of schools the yj 2015 class is going to. Or the list of micky mouse schools the other club is going to. I never heard of some of these schools.

Dude, you are only trying to stir the pot and don't even know what you are talking about. Give it a rest. Go away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did u see the list of schools the yj 2015 class is going to. Or the list of micky mouse schools the other club is going to. I never heard of some of these schools.

BOTC must be missing something.

Boston College, Duke University, and Florida are among the Top Guns 2015 commitments.

Penn, Notre Dame, Hopkins, Princeton, Northwestern, and Stanford are among the Yellow Jackets top names.

Both programs have representation in the Top Ten universities as per US News and World Reports and expected levels of Top 40 participation in parallel.

BOTC recommends that you spend some time to acquaint yourself with more of the schools on both lists as academics will play a big role in your college selection process and having stretch, match, and safety institutions all among your Top 10 choices will serve you well.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did u see the list of schools the yj 2015 class is going to. Or the list of micky mouse schools the other club is going to. I never heard of some of these schools.

Dude, you are only trying to stir the pot and don't even know what you are talking about. Give it a rest. Go away.

Powderfinger : My impression was that the poster was truly uninformed on the entire topic, rather than trying to stir the pot. Usually, one trying to stir the pot has some command over the subject and knows the "soft targets" in the discussion. Sadly, we do not see any of these traits here.

As a result, the poster who was trying to be "smart" has demonstrated a complete ignorance of the college admissions process and is woefully unprepared to handle the college selection process. There is a general lack of understanding about college rankings and the requirements at many of these schools for admission.

Sadly, these are the types of students and parents that are left wondering what happened midway through their senior year; they believe that the system is hopelessly rigged and everyone was "out to get them" during the admissions cycle.

BOTC has tried to politely answer the comment and educate the reader, but would you be surprised to find out that the original poster is now chuckling thinking that he/she posted a "good one"? Sad when you think about it in this context. Actually, I pity the poster.

Dayum, quite the CageSage smackdown and thankfully not directed at me!

While I have your attention, do you have anything to add to the D1 scholarship discussion currently ongoing on the YJ thread? I've been waiting for some input from you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But that YJ 2015 team is unbeatable. They dominate. Aren't they the team that never lost?

Love how top guns just can't stop talking about YJ on their own website!
Perhaps you shouldnt care so much about another club?

Both sets of parents are so caught up in each other, it's unbelievable...half the time, what you're reading is from a parent from the other club, so don't be so sure it's a TG or YJ parent...

I have come to an epiphany as of late (and I'm sure you will get a chuckle out of this sage). I think that we all owe the directors of the 3 major girls clubs an equal and sincere debt of gratitude and thanks. And I truly mean every parent, and every player from all 3. With my daughter nearly done reaching the goal, I now have a chance to see how even though there was a good amount of rivalry, companionship, and hart ache all three directors have helped each and very girl on all three clubs grow into (mostly) good woman that no the meaning of perseverance, hard work, and intestinal fortitude. our girls learned how to pick themselves up and continue on when they lost, got cut , or faced a myriad of other obstacles. They learned how to lose with dignity, and win with grace, all because these 3 woman. We may not always agree with the tactics, or politics, but the healthy rivalry between the 3 clubs is intricate to these lessons.

To the parents of the younger clubs, try not to be to concerned with who beats who, or what club is the best, truth is all these girls are fantastic athletes that we parents either wish we still were, or could have been. Each club has a different style, just like each girl is different, so though you may not have been chosen for a club, only means that your daughter doesn't play that "brand" of lacrosse. Try not to get to into wins and loses, and enjoy the time you spend with your athlete, because that time is fleeting, and hopefully she'll be playing for a D1 that may be too far away for you to ever see her play again
In closing let me say thank you to Carol, Shannon, and Danielle. for all the lessons you teach our daughters

Talk about irony. In one paragraph the writer says we owe it all to 3 major clubs (when there are far more than 3 clubs as well as JV and HS coaches that attributed to the success of all these girls) and then the writer goes on to say - but it doesnt matter what club you play for (as long as it is one of the 3 major ones).

I laughed at few points:

1. Liberty is a major club? Not anymore.
2. Thank you to Shannon - how old is Top Guns? Her first set of teams are only now going through the recruiting process.
3. Learned to lose with dignity and grace - have you ever seen Carol or Danielle after a loss?
4. Healthy rivalry? - Carol vs. Shannon - you call that healthy with all of the garbage that is spewed.

Thanks for the chuckle.

yet here you are - spewing garbage. Thanks for the laugh.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Dayum, quite the CageSage smackdown and thankfully not directed at me!

While I have your attention, do you have anything to add to the D1 scholarship discussion currently ongoing on the YJ thread? I've been waiting for some input from you.

Regarding the Yellow Jackets thread discussion, National Letters of Intent will typically spell out the academic, athletic, and financial aid considerations independently from one another. The poster in that thread who claimed that the award was lumped together has obviously not seen an NLI in person.

BOTC has been doing research on a very confusing topic : Does an academic award count against the NCAA Compliance limitations for scholarship counts even though the money not be coming from the athletics side? There are very mixed pictures here based on sport, year in college (freshman or not), and other criteria. This is one of the most difficult areas of the compliance codes rivaled only by training unit calculations and the distribution of those during preseason.

In order to provide an accurate answer, we are simply going to need to spend more time on the subject. Lest anyone think we are kidding, the book from the NCAA defining this code is 444 pages in length - and that is only the NCAA Division I version. There are independent copies for Division II and III.

From the NCAA Division I Guidelines, Page 213, Section 15.5.3.2.2 (Exceptions) defines how an Academic Award can be calculated OUTSIDE the athletic computations. This section deals with EQUIVILENCY SPORTS of which Lacrosse is one.

15.5.3.2.2.1 Academic Honor Awards�Based on High School Record. Academic honor awards that are part of an institution�s normal arrangements for academic scholarships, based solely on the recipient�s high school record and awarded independently of athletics interests and in amounts consistent with the pattern of all such awards made by institutions, are exempt from an institution�s equivalency computation, provided the recipient was ranked in the upper 10 percent of the high school graduating class or achieved a cumulative grade-point average of at least 3.500 (based on a maximum of 4.000) or a minimum ACT sum score of 105 or a minimum SAT score of 1200 (critical reading and math). (Adopted: 1/12/99 effective 8/1/99, Revised: 1/14/08 effective 8/1/08, 1/16/10 effective 8/1/10)

15.5.3.2.2.1.1 Additional Requirements. The following additional requirements shall be met: (Adopted: 1/12/99 effective 8/1/99)

(a) The awards may include additional, nonacademic criteria (e.g., interviews, essays, need analysis), provided the additional criteria are not based on athletics ability, participation or interests, and the awards are consistent with the pattern of all such awards provided to all students;

(b) No quota of awards shall be designated for student-athletes;

(c) Athletics participation shall not be required before or after collegiate enrollment;

(d) No athletics department staff member shall be involved in designating the recipients of such awards;

(e) Any additional criteria shall not include athletics ability, participation or interests; and

(f) There must be on file in the office of the director of athletics certification by the financial aid director or the chair of the financial aid committee that such awards are part of the institution�s normal arrangements for academic scholarships, awarded independently of athletics ability, participation and interests, and in amounts consistent with the pattern of all such awards made by the institution.

Thank you. That is really helpful information. Helps to clear up a confusing issue.

Taking a look at the YJ fall tournament schedule. They do way more fall ball events at many varied venues and send teams to represent at all age groups. The only fall event endorsed by TGs is SS hofstra tournaments. Its more of a cash in event or series of three events. Would love to see more fall events.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Taking a look at the YJ fall tournament schedule. They do way more fall ball events at many varied venues and send teams to represent at all age groups. The only fall event endorsed by TGs is SS hofstra tournaments. Its more of a cash in event or series of three events. Would love to see more fall events.

Good point. We're big TG supporters, and we're not going anywhere else, but we do wish they offered more....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Taking a look at the YJ fall tournament schedule. They do way more fall ball events at many varied venues and send teams to represent at all age groups. The only fall event endorsed by TGs is SS hofstra tournaments. Its more of a cash in event or series of three events. Would love to see more fall events.

Good point. We're big TG supporters, and we're not going anywhere else, but we do wish they offered more....

Maybe they will once they finaluze rosters? Alot of us wish they offered more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Taking a look at the YJ fall tournament schedule. They do way more fall ball events at many varied venues and send teams to represent at all age groups. The only fall event endorsed by TGs is SS hofstra tournaments. Its more of a cash in event or series of three events. Would love to see more fall events.

Good point. We're big TG supporters, and we're not going anywhere else, but we do wish they offered more....

Maybe they will once they finaluze rosters? Alot of us wish they offered more.

On the other hand, maybe we are better off to go chose friends to play with, with better coaches and proper sized teams and be free to do our own thing rather than force fed. Even the better YJ choose to do this fall stuff on their own terms. Plus you have other sports, you can be asking to much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Taking a look at the YJ fall tournament schedule. They do way more fall ball events at many varied venues and send teams to represent at all age groups. The only fall event endorsed by TGs is SS hofstra tournaments. Its more of a cash in event or series of three events. Would love to see more fall events.

Good point. We're big TG supporters, and we're not going anywhere else, but we do wish they offered more....

Maybe they will once they finaluze rosters? Alot of us wish they offered more.

On the other hand, maybe we are better off to go chose friends to play with, with better coaches and proper sized teams and be free to do our own thing rather than force fed. Even the better YJ choose to do this fall stuff on their own terms. Plus you have other sports, you can be asking to much.

Not a bad point...maybe if TG "offered" a little more, so people weren't forced to do it, but would have the option. I think most would choose to do more, but maybe they'd feel "forced", like you said...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Taking a look at the YJ fall tournament schedule. They do way more fall ball events at many varied venues and send teams to represent at all age groups. The only fall event endorsed by TGs is SS hofstra tournaments. Its more of a cash in event or series of three events. Would love to see more fall events.

Seems like you have to go to Maryland or Florida for the good fall tournaments. President's Cup, Rivalry and maybe Mid-Atlantic and/or PrimeTime. What others??

Are other TG players being invited to Maryland or is this an uber exclusive venue?

recruiting ages only, High School Sophomores and Juniors...There will be plenty of lacrosse for everyone during the winter and spring

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are other TG players being invited to Maryland or is this an uber exclusive venue?

Looks like a pretty good line-ups at both Rivalry and President's cup. Unfortunately no TG at President's cup. If there is s tourney worth traveling to Florida for, this would be the one...many college coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are other TG players being invited to Maryland or is this an uber exclusive venue?

Looks like a pretty good line-ups at both Rivalry and President's cup. Unfortunately no TG at President's cup. If there is s tourney worth traveling to Florida for, this would be the one...many college coaches.

It's not just about recruiting. It's about playing! Most colleges have 7v7 day tournaments that you could send a team to (split them in half). Many colleges are local, StonyBrook, Hofsta, Adelphi and some an hour-2 hours away like Rutgers and Princeton. If you want to play you really don't have an excuse. Why wait until the winter to play?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Taking a look at the YJ fall tournament schedule. They do way more fall ball events at many varied venues and send teams to represent at all age groups. The only fall event endorsed by TGs is SS hofstra tournaments. Its more of a cash in event or series of three events. Would love to see more fall events.

Is there a schedule for the Hofstra tournament out yet?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are other TG players being invited to Maryland or is this an uber exclusive venue?

Gets old when you have the same TG parents setting up tournaments at the younger age groups and they hand pick who is allowed to play. Somehow these parents have power over the rest of us and all they do is favor their own kids. The coaches kids never come out of the game no matter how many times they lose the ball and never play defense. Would be nice if something were available for all the kids and had actual coaches who knew something about the game instead of these guys who think they are the greatest coaches around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are other TG players being invited to Maryland or is this an uber exclusive venue?

Gets old when you have the same TG parents setting up tournaments at the younger age groups and they hand pick who is allowed to play. Somehow these parents have power over the rest of us and all they do is favor their own kids. The coaches kids never come out of the game no matter how many times they lose the ball and never play defense. Would be nice if something were available for all the kids and had actual coaches who knew something about the game instead of these guys who think they are the greatest coaches around.

Right and this is the club it happens in.

If the TG team your daughter plays for is going to any tournament,anywhere, she has been invited period.

perhaps you just answered your own question. take the lead yourself. get your daughter (who obviously is very good) recruit a few of her friends (shouldn't be hard since she is so good) and you coach. Team will be great. You obviously know a lot. you seem to know what NOT to do. You will not play your own daughter because you have seen the errors of others. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!! Loser.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

perhaps you just answered your own question. take the lead yourself. get your daughter (who obviously is very good) recruit a few of her friends (shouldn't be hard since she is so good) and you coach. Team will be great. You obviously know a lot. you seem to know what NOT to do. You will not play your own daughter because you have seen the errors of others. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!! Loser.

WOW !!!! one parent calling another a loser in an open forum. Obviously coach daddy has a thin skin. This sounds like the club for me . where do I sign up. Wasn't this the club that got offended when called a bunch of white trash. Way to set the record straight

Originally Posted by Anonymous

perhaps you just answered your own question. take the lead yourself. get your daughter (who obviously is very good) recruit a few of her friends (shouldn't be hard since she is so good) and you coach. Team will be great. You obviously know a lot. you seem to know what NOT to do. You will not play your own daughter because you have seen the errors of others. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!! Loser.

WOW !!!! one parent calling another a loser in an open forum. Obviously coach daddy has a thin skin. This sounds like the club for me . where do I sign up. Wasn't this the club that got offended when called a bunch of white trash. Way to set the record straight

Yeah right because they respond to the Thread they must be a part of the Club. Because if it is in print it is true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are other TG players being invited to Maryland or is this an uber exclusive venue?

Gets old when you have the same TG parents setting up tournaments at the younger age groups and they hand pick who is allowed to play. Somehow these parents have power over the rest of us and all they do is favor their own kids. The coaches kids never come out of the game no matter how many times they lose the ball and never play defense. Would be nice if something were available for all the kids and had actual coaches who knew something about the game instead of these guys who think they are the greatest coaches around.

It does seem confusing that the program allows certain dads to cherry pick their own teams from the TG rosters. The 2019's and 2020's, in particular, really abuse the system by putting TG teams in under the cloak of a team with a different name. They complain all summer because their daughters team is not as good as some of the others, but fail to realize that by only getting who they believe to be "The Top 10" better, they are actually hurting the "Team." Instead of building unity and camaraderie, they build animosity. No "Team" can ever be all that good with that much divisiveness.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

perhaps you just answered your own question. take the lead yourself. get your daughter (who obviously is very good) recruit a few of her friends (shouldn't be hard since she is so good) and you coach. Team will be great. You obviously know a lot. you seem to know what NOT to do. You will not play your own daughter because you have seen the errors of others. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!! Loser.

WOW !!!! one parent calling another a loser in an open forum. Obviously coach daddy has a thin skin. This sounds like the club for me . where do I sign up. Wasn't this the club that got offended when called a bunch of white trash. Way to set the record straight

Yeah right because they respond to the Thread they must be a part of the Club. Because if it is in print it is true

Stop deflecting dad we all know it's you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are other TG players being invited to Maryland or is this an uber exclusive venue?

Gets old when you have the same TG parents setting up tournaments at the younger age groups and they hand pick who is allowed to play. Somehow these parents have power over the rest of us and all they do is favor their own kids. The coaches kids never come out of the game no matter how many times they lose the ball and never play defense. Would be nice if something were available for all the kids and had actual coaches who knew something about the game instead of these guys who think they are the greatest coaches around.

It does seem confusing that the program allows certain dads to cherry pick their own teams from the TG rosters. The 2019's and 2020's, in particular, really abuse the system by putting TG teams in under the cloak of a team with a different name. They complain all summer because their daughters team is not as good as some of the others, but fail to realize that by only getting who they believe to be "The Top 10" better, they are actually hurting the "Team." Instead of building unity and camaraderie, they build animosity. No "Team" can ever be all that good with that much divisiveness.

Here is the deal, TG organizes zero team events in the fall (younger teams). Honestly the last thing I would want my daughter to do is play on the 24 player roster as a team for a 7 player tourney. Be proactive and network and you will find a team to play on. If you are not socially skilled enough to do this on your own or you are not able to put your own team together, call BS and he will find a team for your daughter to play on, at least for the hofstra tournaments, beyond that your on your own. A small group of girls in each age group will get attention and be asked to participate in many things, if your daughter is not one of those cherry picked girls and your plan is to sit back and wait to be asked, you may be in for a long ride.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are other TG players being invited to Maryland or is this an uber exclusive venue?

Gets old when you have the same TG parents setting up tournaments at the younger age groups and they hand pick who is allowed to play. Somehow these parents have power over the rest of us and all they do is favor their own kids. The coaches kids never come out of the game no matter how many times they lose the ball and never play defense. Would be nice if something were available for all the kids and had actual coaches who knew something about the game instead of these guys who think they are the greatest coaches around.

It does seem confusing that the program allows certain dads to cherry pick their own teams from the TG rosters. The 2019's and 2020's, in particular, really abuse the system by putting TG teams in under the cloak of a team with a different name. They complain all summer because their daughters team is not as good as some of the others, but fail to realize that by only getting who they believe to be "The Top 10" better, they are actually hurting the "Team." Instead of building unity and camaraderie, they build animosity. No "Team" can ever be all that good with that much divisiveness.

Here is the deal, TG organizes zero team events in the fall (younger teams). Honestly the last thing I would want my daughter to do is play on the 24 player roster as a team for a 7 player tourney. Be proactive and network and you will find a team to play on. If you are not socially skilled enough to do this on your own or you are not able to put your own team together, call BS and he will find a team for your daughter to play on, at least for the hofstra tournaments, beyond that your on your own. A small group of girls in each age group will get attention and be asked to participate in many things, if your daughter is not one of those cherry picked girls and your plan is to sit back and wait to be asked, you may be in for a long ride.

Sounds like a "great team concept". Are you serious? First of all there has to be a better way to do that. Have girls on the 24 girl roster alternat tournaments. Break them up and enter multiple teams. The entire part of joining a team is to have the girls play together and form a bond. Telling them - good luck and your on your own and your in for a long ride - welcome to the TG program. I hope this is your view on this and not the view of the people that run the program.

Not A oart of TG so from an outsiders point of view let me say this. It is very commendable for a parent to take a group of girls and register them in these events and take his own time to coach and do all the leg work. Where this starts to fall apart is he continues to use the T.G. name. If he is going to do all this work only for certain girls than he should go one step further and just make up a different name and order 15 pinnies from Lacrosse Unlimited . If he continues to use Shannons name to further only the "cherry picked" girls then Bill or Shannon should step in and tell him to stop. If they are going as T.G. then all the girls in the age groups should be offered to attend, if there is a lot of interest than more than 1 team should be entered, the amount of paper work to achieve this is minimal and that is what a club as a whole does. this "coach" is only interested in those that he is friendly with or those that he deems worthy, and therefore no longer should be allowed to use the TOP GUNS brand. If Bill does not understand that , Shannon should look for someone other than him to run her club, remember It's her name that attracts members ,not his. It obviously creates animosity within the club and any decent director would put his friendships aside and do what is best for the club as a whole.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not A oart of TG so from an outsiders point of view let me say this. It is very commendable for a parent to take a group of girls and register them in these events and take his own time to coach and do all the leg work. Where this starts to fall apart is he continues to use the T.G. name. If he is going to do all this work only for certain girls than he should go one step further and just make up a different name and order 15 pinnies from Lacrosse Unlimited . If he continues to use Shannons name to further only the "cherry picked" girls then Bill or Shannon should step in and tell him to stop. If they are going as T.G. then all the girls in the age groups should be offered to attend, if there is a lot of interest than more than 1 team should be entered, the amount of paper work to achieve this is minimal and that is what a club as a whole does. this "coach" is only interested in those that he is friendly with or those that he deems worthy, and therefore no longer should be allowed to use the TOP GUNS brand. If Bill does not understand that , Shannon should look for someone other than him to run her club, remember It's her name that attracts members ,not his. It obviously creates animosity within the club and any decent director would put his friendships aside and do what is best for the club as a whole.

Yeah, sure - "from an outsiders point of view"..I love those! We're pretty sure you're in the TG program. If not, you have WAY too much time on your hands to analyze this, in such detail!

The only teams run by Top Guns are the winter league that everyone is invited to and the summer teams that your daughters try out for. Thats it..... People are confused by the multiple "Daddy" teams that play in the fall tournaments with selected groups of TG players. Does TG know this goes on ? Yes they do...they can help you get in contact with the dads. In my daughters age group one daddy team puts it out to the whole team and asked who wants to play in tournaents X,Y & Z this Fall. Parents replied back and the team was entered into the tournaments. Another Dad has a group from his area that have been doing tournaments as a group for many years and they do ther own thing. If the girls want to play together put an email out to the team and see who wants in. If you dont have enough to fill a roster then let Bill know I am sure he will put you in touch with people from the other teams black, purple, or white. Sometimes a little extra effort can solve a problem.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not A oart of TG so from an outsiders point of view let me say this. It is very commendable for a parent to take a group of girls and register them in these events and take his own time to coach and do all the leg work. Where this starts to fall apart is he continues to use the T.G. name. If he is going to do all this work only for certain girls than he should go one step further and just make up a different name and order 15 pinnies from Lacrosse Unlimited . If he continues to use Shannons name to further only the "cherry picked" girls then Bill or Shannon should step in and tell him to stop. If they are going as T.G. then all the girls in the age groups should be offered to attend, if there is a lot of interest than more than 1 team should be entered, the amount of paper work to achieve this is minimal and that is what a club as a whole does. this "coach" is only interested in those that he is friendly with or those that he deems worthy, and therefore no longer should be allowed to use the TOP GUNS brand. If Bill does not understand that , Shannon should look for someone other than him to run her club, remember It's her name that attracts members ,not his. It obviously creates animosity within the club and any decent director would put his friendships aside and do what is best for the club as a whole.

Yeah, sure - "from an outsiders point of view"..I love those! We're pretty sure you're in the TG program. If not, you have WAY too much time on your hands to analyze this, in such detail!

Really not a T.G. parent . What is there to analyze, Daddy is using the T.G. brand and uniform to promote little Susie. If., and when you flip out on a ref, organizer, or opposing coach and make the brand look bad, I'm sure Bill will step in and put a stop to it, at Shannon's expense. Pinnies cost like $13.00 a piece, I know because a club with a much better rep would not allow me to use there name or logo for the same reasons I just described, Live and learn Bill

I have watched these daddy coaches play w 3-4 subs total and actually not get some kids into the game, that is disgusting .Even more disgusting is I have watched the parents of some of these kids continue to kiss TG daddy butt and put little Susie thru the nonsense over and over again because they are desperate to have their kid be invited to these daddy team tournaments, sad.

You want to hear another sad story? A team mom complains her kid wasn't asked to play when the dads had no idea who she was. Then is seen with her kid at another dad team event. Bet she did'nt complain about that though. Only differance was her lil' suzie got an invite. Why not decline invite if you thought what happened to your girl was so mean.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not A oart of TG so from an outsiders point of view let me say this. It is very commendable for a parent to take a group of girls and register them in these events and take his own time to coach and do all the leg work. Where this starts to fall apart is he continues to use the T.G. name. If he is going to do all this work only for certain girls than he should go one step further and just make up a different name and order 15 pinnies from Lacrosse Unlimited . If he continues to use Shannons name to further only the "cherry picked" girls then Bill or Shannon should step in and tell him to stop. If they are going as T.G. then all the girls in the age groups should be offered to attend, if there is a lot of interest than more than 1 team should be entered, the amount of paper work to achieve this is minimal and that is what a club as a whole does. this "coach" is only interested in those that he is friendly with or those that he deems worthy, and therefore no longer should be allowed to use the TOP GUNS brand. If Bill does not understand that , Shannon should look for someone other than him to run her club, remember It's her name that attracts members ,not his. It obviously creates animosity within the club and any decent director would put his friendships aside and do what is best for the club as a whole.

Yeah, sure - "from an outsiders point of view"..I love those! We're pretty sure you're in the TG program. If not, you have WAY too much time on your hands to analyze this, in such detail!

Really not a T.G. parent . What is there to analyze, Daddy is using the T.G. brand and uniform to promote little Susie. If., and when you flip out on a ref, organizer, or opposing coach and make the brand look bad, I'm sure Bill will step in and put a stop to it, at Shannon's expense. Pinnies cost like $13.00 a piece, I know because a club with a much better rep would not allow me to use there name or logo for the same reasons I just described, Live and learn Bill

It's sad that you have so much time to spend on the TG thread, and you're not even affiliated. Why are you so caught up in what's going on with TG? What program are you involved with?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have watched these daddy coaches play w 3-4 subs total and actually not get some kids into the game, that is disgusting .Even more disgusting is I have watched the parents of some of these kids continue to kiss TG daddy butt and put little Susie thru the nonsense over and over again because they are desperate to have their kid be invited to these daddy team tournaments, sad.

Does your daughter play for TG?

Many of these fall tournaments have alot of break away teams involved. Notice that the better teams you see at these tournaments are usually under their own names and not playing under TG or YJ. Most of them are a combination of YJ and TG players and "daddies" and even a few from other clubs. Most of the better players are sought out for these teams and tournaments. YJ and TG will, as a club, try to organize some of the other players and put teams together to give opportunity to kids who may get overlooked otherwise, they may even ask parents to help out. Everyone is so bitter about not making blue or black, now everyone is so bitter cause they are not asked to be on a small fall team. If your daughter is that good, someone will invite her to participate on a team unless the baggage (that's you) is just too much. If she doesn't get invited, get off your a$$ and do it yourself, but remember to invite every kid she ever played lacrosse with including all the town kids, or you will be the cherry picking daddy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not A oart of TG so from an outsiders point of view let me say this. It is very commendable for a parent to take a group of girls and register them in these events and take his own time to coach and do all the leg work. Where this starts to fall apart is he continues to use the T.G. name. If he is going to do all this work only for certain girls than he should go one step further and just make up a different name and order 15 pinnies from Lacrosse Unlimited . If he continues to use Shannons name to further only the "cherry picked" girls then Bill or Shannon should step in and tell him to stop. If they are going as T.G. then all the girls in the age groups should be offered to attend, if there is a lot of interest than more than 1 team should be entered, the amount of paper work to achieve this is minimal and that is what a club as a whole does. this "coach" is only interested in those that he is friendly with or those that he deems worthy, and therefore no longer should be allowed to use the TOP GUNS brand. If Bill does not understand that , Shannon should look for someone other than him to run her club, remember It's her name that attracts members ,not his. It obviously creates animosity within the club and any decent director would put his friendships aside and do what is best for the club as a whole.

Yeah, sure - "from an outsiders point of view"..I love those! We're pretty sure you're in the TG program. If not, you have WAY too much time on your hands to analyze this, in such detail!

Really not a T.G. parent . What is there to analyze, Daddy is using the T.G. brand and uniform to promote little Susie. If., and when you flip out on a ref, organizer, or opposing coach and make the brand look bad, I'm sure Bill will step in and put a stop to it, at Shannon's expense. Pinnies cost like $13.00 a piece, I know because a club with a much better rep would not allow me to use there name or logo for the same reasons I just described, Live and learn Bill

It's sad that you have so much time to spend on the TG thread, and you're not even affiliated. Why are you so caught up in what's going on with TG? What program are you involved with?

Why is it sad ? my daughters club has no drama, or any of this in club name calling and quite frankly it's funny as [lacrosse] to see a bunch of white trash morons fight amongst themselves while the ring leader watches , and actively participates in the soiling , and ruining of his daughters good name. Maybe daddy should take a online business course before he and his cronies ruin a good thing. On the other hand if he did , he would know that he had to get rid of the riff raf , and that probably means you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not A oart of TG so from an outsiders point of view let me say this. It is very commendable for a parent to take a group of girls and register them in these events and take his own time to coach and do all the leg work. Where this starts to fall apart is he continues to use the T.G. name. If he is going to do all this work only for certain girls than he should go one step further and just make up a different name and order 15 pinnies from Lacrosse Unlimited . If he continues to use Shannons name to further only the "cherry picked" girls then Bill or Shannon should step in and tell him to stop. If they are going as T.G. then all the girls in the age groups should be offered to attend, if there is a lot of interest than more than 1 team should be entered, the amount of paper work to achieve this is minimal and that is what a club as a whole does. this "coach" is only interested in those that he is friendly with or those that he deems worthy, and therefore no longer should be allowed to use the TOP GUNS brand. If Bill does not understand that , Shannon should look for someone other than him to run her club, remember It's her name that attracts members ,not his. It obviously creates animosity within the club and any decent director would put his friendships aside and do what is best for the club as a whole.

Yeah, sure - "from an outsiders point of view"..I love those! We're pretty sure you're in the TG program. If not, you have WAY too much time on your hands to analyze this, in such detail!

Really not a T.G. parent . What is there to analyze, Daddy is using the T.G. brand and uniform to promote little Susie. If., and when you flip out on a ref, organizer, or opposing coach and make the brand look bad, I'm sure Bill will step in and put a stop to it, at Shannon's expense. Pinnies cost like $13.00 a piece, I know because a club with a much better rep would not allow me to use there name or logo for the same reasons I just described, Live and learn Bill

It's sad that you have so much time to spend on the TG thread, and you're not even affiliated. Why are you so caught up in what's going on with TG? What program are you involved with?

Why is it sad ? my daughters club has no drama, or any of this in club name calling and quite frankly it's funny as [lacrosse] to see a bunch of white trash morons fight amongst themselves while the ring leader watches , and actively participates in the soiling , and ruining of his daughters good name. Maybe daddy should take a online business course before he and his cronies ruin a good thing. On the other hand if he did , he would know that he had to get rid of the riff raf , and that probably means you

Like I said, you have a sad existence, spending so much time and energy on analyzing (incorrectly) a program you're not even affiliated with...get a life!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not A oart of TG so from an outsiders point of view let me say this. It is very commendable for a parent to take a group of girls and register them in these events and take his own time to coach and do all the leg work. Where this starts to fall apart is he continues to use the T.G. name. If he is going to do all this work only for certain girls than he should go one step further and just make up a different name and order 15 pinnies from Lacrosse Unlimited . If he continues to use Shannons name to further only the "cherry picked" girls then Bill or Shannon should step in and tell him to stop. If they are going as T.G. then all the girls in the age groups should be offered to attend, if there is a lot of interest than more than 1 team should be entered, the amount of paper work to achieve this is minimal and that is what a club as a whole does. this "coach" is only interested in those that he is friendly with or those that he deems worthy, and therefore no longer should be allowed to use the TOP GUNS brand. If Bill does not understand that , Shannon should look for someone other than him to run her club, remember It's her name that attracts members ,not his. It obviously creates animosity within the club and any decent director would put his friendships aside and do what is best for the club as a whole.

Yeah, sure - "from an outsiders point of view"..I love those! We're pretty sure you're in the TG program. If not, you have WAY too much time on your hands to analyze this, in such detail!

Really not a T.G. parent . What is there to analyze, Daddy is using the T.G. brand and uniform to promote little Susie. If., and when you flip out on a ref, organizer, or opposing coach and make the brand look bad, I'm sure Bill will step in and put a stop to it, at Shannon's expense. Pinnies cost like $13.00 a piece, I know because a club with a much better rep would not allow me to use there name or logo for the same reasons I just described, Live and learn Bill

It's sad that you have so much time to spend on the TG thread, and you're not even affiliated. Why are you so caught up in what's going on with TG? What program are you involved with?

Why is it sad ? my daughters club has no drama, or any of this in club name calling and quite frankly it's funny as [lacrosse] to see a bunch of white trash morons fight amongst themselves while the ring leader watches , and actively participates in the soiling , and ruining of his daughters good name. Maybe daddy should take a online business course before he and his cronies ruin a good thing. On the other hand if he did , he would know that he had to get rid of the riff raf , and that probably means you

Again, what program is so lucky to have you?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not A oart of TG so from an outsiders point of view let me say this. It is very commendable for a parent to take a group of girls and register them in these events and take his own time to coach and do all the leg work. Where this starts to fall apart is he continues to use the T.G. name. If he is going to do all this work only for certain girls than he should go one step further and just make up a different name and order 15 pinnies from Lacrosse Unlimited . If he continues to use Shannons name to further only the "cherry picked" girls then Bill or Shannon should step in and tell him to stop. If they are going as T.G. then all the girls in the age groups should be offered to attend, if there is a lot of interest than more than 1 team should be entered, the amount of paper work to achieve this is minimal and that is what a club as a whole does. this "coach" is only interested in those that he is friendly with or those that he deems worthy, and therefore no longer should be allowed to use the TOP GUNS brand. If Bill does not understand that , Shannon should look for someone other than him to run her club, remember It's her name that attracts members ,not his. It obviously creates animosity within the club and any decent director would put his friendships aside and do what is best for the club as a whole.

Yeah, sure - "from an outsiders point of view"..I love those! We're pretty sure you're in the TG program. If not, you have WAY too much time on your hands to analyze this, in such detail!

Really not a T.G. parent . What is there to analyze, Daddy is using the T.G. brand and uniform to promote little Susie. If., and when you flip out on a ref, organizer, or opposing coach and make the brand look bad, I'm sure Bill will step in and put a stop to it, at Shannon's expense. Pinnies cost like $13.00 a piece, I know because a club with a much better rep would not allow me to use there name or logo for the same reasons I just described, Live and learn Bill

It's sad that you have so much time to spend on the TG thread, and you're not even affiliated. Why are you so caught up in what's going on with TG? What program are you involved with?

Why is it sad ? my daughters club has no drama, or any of this in club name calling and quite frankly it's funny as [lacrosse] to see a bunch of white trash morons fight amongst themselves while the ring leader watches , and actively participates in the soiling , and ruining of his daughters good name. Maybe daddy should take a online business course before he and his cronies ruin a good thing. On the other hand if he did , he would know that he had to get rid of the riff raf , and that probably means you

"White trash", "riff raf", "moron". Listen to you. You just exemplified every one of those words with your post. Small minds produce small minded thoughts. Thanks for the example. Lol

I need some help, at what age is it appropriate for a girl to start Travel. As I know the first part of this is, is the player ready, but there is a real concern about the politics and starting travel after a team is formed and not getting a fair look at tryouts.

In reading this board and some comments for 2019 & 2020 when were these teamed truly formed in 5th grade or did it start as early as 4th grade.

What is your advice.

(I will post similar post on YJ)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not A oart of TG so from an outsiders point of view let me say this. It is very commendable for a parent to take a group of girls and register them in these events and take his own time to coach and do all the leg work. Where this starts to fall apart is he continues to use the T.G. name. If he is going to do all this work only for certain girls than he should go one step further and just make up a different name and order 15 pinnies from Lacrosse Unlimited . If he continues to use Shannons name to further only the "cherry picked" girls then Bill or Shannon should step in and tell him to stop. If they are going as T.G. then all the girls in the age groups should be offered to attend, if there is a lot of interest than more than 1 team should be entered, the amount of paper work to achieve this is minimal and that is what a club as a whole does. this "coach" is only interested in those that he is friendly with or those that he deems worthy, and therefore no longer should be allowed to use the TOP GUNS brand. If Bill does not understand that , Shannon should look for someone other than him to run her club, remember It's her name that attracts members ,not his. It obviously creates animosity within the club and any decent director would put his friendships aside and do what is best for the club as a whole.

Yeah, sure - "from an outsiders point of view"..I love those! We're pretty sure you're in the TG program. If not, you have WAY too much time on your hands to analyze this, in such detail!

Really not a T.G. parent . What is there to analyze, Daddy is using the T.G. brand and uniform to promote little Susie. If., and when you flip out on a ref, organizer, or opposing coach and make the brand look bad, I'm sure Bill will step in and put a stop to it, at Shannon's expense. Pinnies cost like $13.00 a piece, I know because a club with a much better rep would not allow me to use there name or logo for the same reasons I just described, Live and learn Bill

It's sad that you have so much time to spend on the TG thread, and you're not even affiliated. Why are you so caught up in what's going on with TG? What program are you involved with?

Why is it sad ? my daughters club has no drama, or any of this in club name calling and quite frankly it's funny as [lacrosse] to see a bunch of white trash morons fight amongst themselves while the ring leader watches , and actively participates in the soiling , and ruining of his daughters good name. Maybe daddy should take a online business course before he and his cronies ruin a good thing. On the other hand if he did , he would know that he had to get rid of the riff raf , and that probably means you

Online business course? Ruin a good thing? What are you looking at? I see a hugely successful business gaining popularity every year. Whatever your personal gripe may be you can't twist the fact that he has created a club that competes at the highest level and generates millions of dollars. If you think that is a bad business, maybe you should have stayed away from taking an online business class yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I need some help, at what age is it appropriate for a girl to start Travel. As I know the first part of this is, is the player ready, but there is a real concern about the politics and starting travel after a team is formed and not getting a fair look at tryouts.

In reading this board and some comments for 2019 & 2020 when were these teamed truly formed in 5th grade or did it start as early as 4th grade.

What is your advice.

(I will post similar post on YJ)

it's really up to you (the Parent) you have to be ready to commit to the weekend tournaments and affiliated travel expenses, as well as club fee's ( which are easily $1,000 to $1500)

The actual playing of lacrosse is the easy part.

Most clubs will have a team for every ability level so your daughter will find a team/club.

FWIW, I currently have 2 lax playing daughters, the oldest is in 10th grade and in the recruiting mode, the next one is in 5th grade and could play travel next year, although I will hold her back 1 year until my older one is done with travel ( it really is a lot of work, $ and time to pull off)

Generates millions of dollars , talk about twisting the facts.Also who's club is it anyway, I thought Shannon started the club.Agree have been successful but do not accuse someone of distorting facts then write such nonsense.

lots of business' hit the ground running, and then fizzle out and disappear. As the previous poster said, It was Shannon that started the club. You don't really think Bill Smith's name could have gotten hundreds of girls to play for him do you? With Shannon being less involved with T.G. because of her Hofstra commitment ,club infighting , bad publicity because of parents, and politics to rival the real top gun's in the club scene. how long do you think people will deal with this silliness? Once people realize the Smith's are just using Shannons name so dad and brother can cash in they will find a new place to play

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not A oart of TG so from an outsiders point of view let me say this. It is very commendable for a parent to take a group of girls and register them in these events and take his own time to coach and do all the leg work. Where this starts to fall apart is he continues to use the T.G. name. If he is going to do all this work only for certain girls than he should go one step further and just make up a different name and order 15 pinnies from Lacrosse Unlimited . If he continues to use Shannons name to further only the "cherry picked" girls then Bill or Shannon should step in and tell him to stop. If they are going as T.G. then all the girls in the age groups should be offered to attend, if there is a lot of interest than more than 1 team should be entered, the amount of paper work to achieve this is minimal and that is what a club as a whole does. this "coach" is only interested in those that he is friendly with or those that he deems worthy, and therefore no longer should be allowed to use the TOP GUNS brand. If Bill does not understand that , Shannon should look for someone other than him to run her club, remember It's her name that attracts members ,not his. It obviously creates animosity within the club and any decent director would put his friendships aside and do what is best for the club as a whole.

Yeah, sure - "from an outsiders point of view"..I love those! We're pretty sure you're in the TG program. If not, you have WAY too much time on your hands to analyze this, in such detail!

Really not a T.G. parent . What is there to analyze, Daddy is using the T.G. brand and uniform to promote little Susie. If., and when you flip out on a ref, organizer, or opposing coach and make the brand look bad, I'm sure Bill will step in and put a stop to it, at Shannon's expense. Pinnies cost like $13.00 a piece, I know because a club with a much better rep would not allow me to use there name or logo for the same reasons I just described, Live and learn Bill

It's sad that you have so much time to spend on the TG thread, and you're not even affiliated. Why are you so caught up in what's going on with TG? What program are you involved with?

Why is it sad ? my daughters club has no drama, or any of this in club name calling and quite frankly it's funny as [lacrosse] to see a bunch of white trash morons fight amongst themselves while the ring leader watches , and actively participates in the soiling , and ruining of his daughters good name. Maybe daddy should take a online business course before he and his cronies ruin a good thing. On the other hand if he did , he would know that he had to get rid of the riff raf , and that probably means you

I am happy that someone like yourself(with no affiliation to the club) is so concerned about the Smiths. I too wish them well. I don't get the white trash comment, or the reason behind it, but I wish you and your daughter well. I am glad that she is playing for a club that is so perfect. Good Luck!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lots of business' hit the ground running, and then fizzle out and disappear. As the previous poster said, It was Shannon that started the club. You don't really think Bill Smith's name could have gotten hundreds of girls to play for him do you? With Shannon being less involved with T.G. because of her Hofstra commitment ,club infighting , bad publicity because of parents, and politics to rival the real top gun's in the club scene. how long do you think people will deal with this silliness? Once people realize the Smith's are just using Shannons name so dad and brother can cash in they will find a new place to play

BOTC was at an event just last night at Hofstra University's David Mack center. We can tell you for sure that the Women's Lacrosse Program at Hofstra is quite healthy and will continue and upward trajectory.

Further, we can tell you that the Long Island Top Guns programs and the affiliated Lacrosse-By-3 group have several extremely interesting events planned for the local girls scene that you will see here on BOTC (hopefully) within the coming weeks.

The grouping of these three elements, along with connections in the college coaching circles, continues to grow and thrive. Having seen a preview of these plans last night at the University, we strongly urge our original poster to rethink their position of a program on the wrong tracks. This is a full steam ahead situation for girls lacrosse.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lots of business' hit the ground running, and then fizzle out and disappear. As the previous poster said, It was Shannon that started the club. You don't really think Bill Smith's name could have gotten hundreds of girls to play for him do you? With Shannon being less involved with T.G. because of her Hofstra commitment ,club infighting , bad publicity because of parents, and politics to rival the real top gun's in the club scene. how long do you think people will deal with this silliness? Once people realize the Smith's are just using Shannons name so dad and brother can cash in they will find a new place to play

BOTC was at an event just last night at Hofstra University's David Mack center. We can tell you for sure that the Women's Lacrosse Program at Hofstra is quite healthy and will continue and upward trajectory.

Further, we can tell you that the Long Island Top Guns programs and the affiliated Lacrosse-By-3 group have several extremely interesting events planned for the local girls scene that you will see here on BOTC (hopefully) within the coming weeks.

The grouping of these three elements, along with connections in the college coaching circles, continues to grow and thrive. Having seen a preview of these plans last night at the University, we strongly urge our original poster to rethink their position of a program on the wrong tracks. This is a full steam ahead situation for girls lacrosse.

That's great to hear, and maybe, just maybe, it will calm some of the TG haters down...at least for a little while. Thanks for the info Cage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lots of business' hit the ground running, and then fizzle out and disappear. As the previous poster said, It was Shannon that started the club. You don't really think Bill Smith's name could have gotten hundreds of girls to play for him do you? With Shannon being less involved with T.G. because of her Hofstra commitment ,club infighting , bad publicity because of parents, and politics to rival the real top gun's in the club scene. how long do you think people will deal with this silliness? Once people realize the Smith's are just using Shannons name so dad and brother can cash in they will find a new place to play

BOTC was at an event just last night at Hofstra University's David Mack center. We can tell you for sure that the Women's Lacrosse Program at Hofstra is quite healthy and will continue and upward trajectory.

Further, we can tell you that the Long Island Top Guns programs and the affiliated Lacrosse-By-3 group have several extremely interesting events planned for the local girls scene that you will see here on BOTC (hopefully) within the coming weeks.

The grouping of these three elements, along with connections in the college coaching circles, continues to grow and thrive. Having seen a preview of these plans last night at the University, we strongly urge our original poster to rethink their position of a program on the wrong tracks. This is a full steam ahead situation for girls lacrosse.

That's great to hear, and maybe, just maybe, it will calm some of the TG haters down...at least for a little while. Thanks for the info Cage

It will not calm them down, it will get them more fired up. When haters see the object of their hate thriving and crushing it, it twists the knife even worse. As for the business guru's comments, the club was started by both BS and SS, and do the math, the numbers are indeed in the millions, not one year, but likely the first million is in the rear view mirror.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lots of business' hit the ground running, and then fizzle out and disappear. As the previous poster said, It was Shannon that started the club. You don't really think Bill Smith's name could have gotten hundreds of girls to play for him do you? With Shannon being less involved with T.G. because of her Hofstra commitment ,club infighting , bad publicity because of parents, and politics to rival the real top gun's in the club scene. how long do you think people will deal with this silliness? Once people realize the Smith's are just using Shannons name so dad and brother can cash in they will find a new place to play

BOTC was at an event just last night at Hofstra University's David Mack center. We can tell you for sure that the Women's Lacrosse Program at Hofstra is quite healthy and will continue and upward trajectory.

Further, we can tell you that the Long Island Top Guns programs and the affiliated Lacrosse-By-3 group have several extremely interesting events planned for the local girls scene that you will see here on BOTC (hopefully) within the coming weeks.

The grouping of these three elements, along with connections in the college coaching circles, continues to grow and thrive. Having seen a preview of these plans last night at the University, we strongly urge our original poster to rethink their position of a program on the wrong tracks. This is a full steam ahead situation for girls lacrosse.

That's great to hear, and maybe, just maybe, it will calm some of the TG haters down...at least for a little while. Thanks for the info Cage

It will not calm them down, it will get them more fired up. When haters see the object of their hate thriving and crushing it, it twists the knife even worse. As for the business guru's comments, the club was started by both BS and SS, and do the math, the numbers are indeed in the millions, not one year, but likely the first million is in the rear view mirror.

Yeah, you're right...what was I thinking? Oh well, we'll just try to ignore them, and enjoy ourselves!

Cage you are Definately a bit of a homer for TG, you were making it seem like their tourney last year was going to be some great new recruiting showcase and as we all know one college showed up and the tournament was non competitive.

Who exactly is the lacrosse by three group, Shannon, Bill, and cage?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cage you are Definately a bit of a homer for TG, you were making it seem like their tourney last year was going to be some great new recruiting showcase and as we all know one college showed up and the tournament was non competitive.

Well, we get accused of being Yellow Jacket supporters and detractors. Now, we are getting painted as Top Guns homers. Based on the extreme views, we must be getting the balance just right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who exactly is the lacrosse by three group, Shannon, Bill, and cage?

Ummm ... no.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who exactly is the lacrosse by three group, Shannon, Bill, and cage?

Ummm ... no.

Cage, whenever you support a program, you do it with facts, or you base it on actual experience, from an event you've attended. That's usually better than what many people here are basing their opinions on! Keep up the great work!

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who exactly is the lacrosse by three group, Shannon, Bill, and cage?

Ummm ... no.

Lmao he sure is on the bandwagon

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cage you are Definately a bit of a homer for TG, you were making it seem like their tourney last year was going to be some great new recruiting showcase and as we all know one college showed up and the tournament was non competitive.

I am sure the first couple of years the Great Carol Rose held her Tournament is was one of the most successful tournaments ever run. However, not all can be as wonderful. As we can see
it still is if you are a Yellow Jacket.

When do the summer rosters get posted?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who exactly is the lacrosse by three group, Shannon, Bill, and cage?

Ummm ... no.

Cage, whenever you support a program, you do it with facts, or you base it on actual experience, from an event you've attended. That's usually better than what many people here are basing their opinions on! Keep up the great work!

Okay then what are the facts or actual experience w the lacrosse by three group

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Okay then what are the facts or actual experience w the lacrosse by three group

The Lacrosse-By-3 individual camp and team camp from Summer 2013 were both very well attended. The individual camp had in excess of 150 players while the team camp had more than twenty full teams participate.

The initial Lacrosse-By-3 Summer Tournament had sixty teams in attendance from 2014-2020. One of the lessons learned was that from a recruiting perspective, the weekend chosen was not ideal due to the July 4th weekend and other conflicts. Expect some exciting announcements for the second edition which will be better tailored for the recruiting age players.

They did a winter camp last year. Will they do that again this year. Was a great into to camps for the young girls, was a great time for middle of the road girls... not to sure how the older girls liked it.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Okay then what are the facts or actual experience w the lacrosse by three group

The Lacrosse-By-3 individual camp and team camp from Summer 2013 were both very well attended. The individual camp had in excess of 150 players while the team camp had more than twenty full teams participate.

The initial Lacrosse-By-3 Summer Tournament had sixty teams in attendance from 2014-2020. One of the lessons learned was that from a recruiting perspective, the weekend chosen was not ideal due to the July 4th weekend and other conflicts. Expect some exciting announcements for the second edition which will be better tailored for the recruiting age players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the summer rosters get posted?

Anyone??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the summer rosters get posted?

Anyone??

I have no idea and apparently no one else knows either. I can't really remember when they were posted last year but I think it was before Christmas. Email Bill and ask him then share with us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the summer rosters get posted?

Anyone??

Right after YJ posts the upcoming seasons roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the summer rosters get posted?

Anyone??

I will take a crack at this one. I think many of the 2nd and third team invitations are up in the air with kids unwilling to commit and put money down as they are hoping to fair better at the YJ tryouts. Some time in Dec or Jan when all the tryout dust settles and all the girls on the fence make a decision, the rosters should follow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the summer rosters get posted?

Anyone??

I will take a crack at this one. I think many of the 2nd and third team invitations are up in the air with kids unwilling to commit and put money down as they are hoping to fair better at the YJ tryouts. Some time in Dec or Jan when all the tryout dust settles and all the girls on the fence make a decision, the rosters should follow.

But what about the rule of you lose your spot if you do not put down your deposit?

Many pay the deposit and leave it if they make a higher team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the summer rosters get posted?

Anyone??

Right after YJ posts the upcoming seasons roster.

do you really think TGs really cares what the jackets post for their roster? the arrogance continues to amaze

Last years Rosters were posted on October 3, Some of the recruiting aged girls have practice this weekend and a tournament next weekend, i'm guessing these teams are set.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the summer rosters get posted?

Anyone??

I have no idea and apparently no one else knows either. I can't really remember when they were posted last year but I think it was before Christmas. Email Bill and ask him then share with us.

Over 2 months and no rosters, most likely lots of declines and reshuffling of spots. 42

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the summer rosters get posted?

Anyone??

Right after YJ posts the upcoming seasons roster.

do you really think TGs really cares what the jackets post for their roster? the arrogance continues to amaze

I know, you're right. Also, most programs never post rosters, so maybe TG will go that route. Might be easier that way!

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Okay then what are the facts or actual experience w the lacrosse by three group

The Lacrosse-By-3 individual camp and team camp from Summer 2013 were both very well attended. The individual camp had in excess of 150 players while the team camp had more than twenty full teams participate.

The initial Lacrosse-By-3 Summer Tournament had sixty teams in attendance from 2014-2020. One of the lessons learned was that from a recruiting perspective, the weekend chosen was not ideal due to the July 4th weekend and other conflicts. Expect some exciting announcements for the second edition which will be better tailored for the recruiting age players.

Maybe but the competition was a joke w TG winning every age group except 2016 where their national championship team lost to a very mediocre SCGL team although they were missing the reason they won the U15 nationals , ie. 2015 players.Should not be billed as recruiting event until some actual colleges agree to attend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Okay then what are the facts or actual experience w the lacrosse by three group

The Lacrosse-By-3 individual camp and team camp from Summer 2013 were both very well attended. The individual camp had in excess of 150 players while the team camp had more than twenty full teams participate.

The initial Lacrosse-By-3 Summer Tournament had sixty teams in attendance from 2014-2020. One of the lessons learned was that from a recruiting perspective, the weekend chosen was not ideal due to the July 4th weekend and other conflicts. Expect some exciting announcements for the second edition which will be better

tailored for the recruiting age players.

Maybe but the competition was a joke w TG winning every age group except 2016 where their national championship team lost to a very mediocre SCGL team although they were missing the reason they won the U15 nationals , ie. 2015 players.Should not be billed as recruiting event until some actual colleges agree to attend.

Well...you and yours certainly don't need to attend now do you. You will be missed but I am certain the entire lacrosse world will get by without you. Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the summer rosters get posted?

Anyone??

I have no idea and apparently no one else knows either. I can't really remember when they were posted last year but I think it was before Christmas. Email Bill and ask him then share with us.

Over 2 months and no rosters, most likely lots of declines and reshuffling of spots. 42

Oh yeah, must be because of "lots of declines"! You have no idea what you're talking about...ONE team not being finalized can keep them from posting ANY rosters. Otherwise, the parents on that team will be going crazy, wondering what the issue is, etc...Or, maybe they'll decide to just keep the rosters private, which is probably better for them anyway, so all the crazy parents can't scrutinize, criticize, etc. Why open yourself up to that, if you don't need to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the summer rosters get posted?

Anyone??

Right after YJ posts the upcoming seasons roster.

do you really think TGs really cares what the jackets post for their roster? the arrogance continues to amaze

I know, you're right. Also, most programs never post rosters, so maybe TG will go that route. Might be easier that way!

Most??? Who?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

.Should not be billed as recruiting event until some actual colleges agree to attend.

Well, you aren't going to get coaches to show up but not calling it a recruiting event, are you? It has to start somewhere and this is where it started. If you expected bigger and better the first year out then what were you thinking? SMH

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the summer rosters get posted?

Anyone??

Right after YJ posts the upcoming seasons roster.

do you really think TGs really cares what the jackets post for their roster? the arrogance continues to amaze

I know, you're right. Also, most programs never post rosters, so maybe TG will go that route. Might be easier that way!

Most??? Who?

Liberty and Express don't post rosters and I'm sure there are more

I am thinking to call it a recruiting event when one college coach is there from one of the ugliest campuses is false advertising to the teams that paid good money to go to a recruiting event. Any recruiting event that does not post a list of colleges attending even though it was requested numerous times is hiding something and that is wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am thinking to call it a recruiting event when one college coach is there from one of the ugliest campuses is false advertising to the teams that paid good money to go to a recruiting event. Any recruiting event that does not post a list of colleges attending even though it was requested numerous times is hiding something and that is wrong.

WWWWWAAAHHHH

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the summer rosters get posted?

Anyone??

Right after YJ posts the upcoming seasons roster.

do you really think TGs really cares what the jackets post for their roster? the arrogance continues to amaze

I know, you're right. Also, most programs never post rosters, so maybe TG will go that route. Might be easier that way!

Most??? Who?

Beach Bums, Express, Liberty, Title 9, Wave, and Top Guns

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am thinking to call it a recruiting event when one college coach is there from one of the ugliest campuses is false advertising to the teams that paid good money to go to a recruiting event. Any recruiting event that does not post a list of colleges attending even though it was requested numerous times is hiding something and that is wrong.

WWWWWAAAHHHH

For your kid it makes no difference they obviously have a genius for a parent. Call the tournament what it is, a barely competitive money making machine for Bill , Shannon, and Andrew the lacrosse by three amigos group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

... Bill , Shannon, and Andrew the lacrosse by three amigos group.

These are not the Lacrosse-By-3 program administrators. Please call Coach Smith at her Hofstra University number if you would like details of the Lacrosse-By-3 program. The two gentlemen named are not principles in the organization.

Lacrosse-By-3 Coaching Staff Members

O.K. seriously none of you idiots know why it's called lacroSSe by 3? please somebody say it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am thinking to call it a recruiting event when one college coach is there from one of the ugliest campuses is false advertising to the teams that paid good money to go to a recruiting event. Any recruiting event that does not post a list of colleges attending even though it was requested numerous times is hiding something and that is wrong.

WWWWWAAAHHHH

For your kid it makes no difference they obviously have a genius for a parent. Call the tournament what it is, a barely competitive money making machine for Bill , Shannon, and Andrew the lacrosse by three amigos group.

You obviously no nothing about Lacrosse by3 base on your above statement. Why don't you take your whining somewhere else no here really cares about your opinions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am thinking to call it a recruiting event when one college coach is there from one of the ugliest campuses is false advertising to the teams that paid good money to go to a recruiting event. Any recruiting event that does not post a list of colleges attending even though it was requested numerous times is hiding something and that is wrong.

WWWWWAAAHHHH

Just out of curiosity, to the T.G. contingent, do any of you know who this parent is? I don't want to know a name. I'm just curious if any of you have any idea, some one this obnoxious and nasty must stand out

91 does not post rosters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 does not post rosters.

Oh yeah, that's another one. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am thinking to call it a recruiting event when one college coach is there from one of the ugliest campuses is false advertising to the teams that paid good money to go to a recruiting event. Any recruiting event that does not post a list of colleges attending even though it was requested numerous times is hiding something and that is wrong.

WWWWWAAAHHHH

Just out of curiosity, to the T.G. contingent, do any of you know who this parent is? I don't want to know a name. I'm just curious if any of you have any idea, some one this obnoxious and nasty must stand out

Your right, at TGs they would stand out, YJs they would just blend in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

O.K. seriously none of you idiots know why it's called lacroSSe by 3? please somebody say it?

LacroSSe by 3 is shannon smith - she wore #3 as a player, the use of two capital letters (SS) in lacrosse are her initials, coupled with the fact that her two assistants from hofstra are involved (which coincidentally also adds up to 3) should explain everything to you, it's a creative play on words that was clearly lost on you, now lets move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

O.K. seriously none of you idiots know why it's called lacroSSe by 3? please somebody say it?

LacroSSe by 3 is shannon smith - she wore #3 as a player, the use of two capital letters (SS) in lacrosse are her initials, coupled with the fact that her two assistants from hofstra are involved (which coincidentally also adds up to 3) should explain everything to you, it's a creative play on words that was clearly lost on you, now lets move on

One time, I told a member of the Yellow Jackets that you cannot spell LACROSSE without S(hannon) S(mith) which launched the parent into a five minute tirade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am thinking to call it a recruiting event when one college coach is there from one of the ugliest campuses is false advertising to the teams that paid good money to go to a recruiting event. Any recruiting event that does not post a list of colleges attending even though it was requested numerous times is hiding something and that is wrong.

WWWWWAAAHHHH

Just out of curiosity, to the T.G. contingent, do any of you know who this parent is? I don't want to know a name. I'm just curious if any of you have any idea, some one this obnoxious and nasty must stand out

Your right, at TGs they would stand out, YJs they would just blend in.

great answer

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

O.K. seriously none of you idiots know why it's called lacroSSe by 3? please somebody say it?

LacroSSe by 3 is shannon smith - she wore #3 as a player, the use of two capital letters (SS) in lacrosse are her initials, coupled with the fact that her two assistants from hofstra are involved (which coincidentally also adds up to 3) should explain everything to you, it's a creative play on words that was clearly lost on you, now lets move on

One time, I told a member of the Yellow Jackets that you cannot spell LACROSSE without S(hannon) S(mith) which launched the parent into a five minute tirade.

Sad part of that is I'm sure the person doesn't even know Shannon, they are just taught to hate her in YJ cult land.

Have a child who has played for both organizations, went from TG to YJ simply because YJ offered a lot more in the off season .There is clearly a dislike of each other but seems it runs deeper in the TG organization. I would compare it to the Yankee and Mets fans which seems the Mets fans have a deeper dislike of the Yankees.I think it may be that at the start of TG a lot of the kids and parents went to the tryouts because they had a dislike of YJ for whatever reason.Cage remember you cannot spell Bull---- without BS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cage remember you cannot spell Bull---- without BS.

Slightly modified for the audience, but this did make us chuckle.

What is surprising is that after the earlier post about SS in lacroSSe, not one person made the observation that CR is needed to also spell laCRosse. Makes one wonder about CR and SS only being separated by one little "o".

YJ is not a cult.... now be a good parent, drink this cool-aid and send your check into CR.

No need to bring Shannon into this by the way.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cage remember you cannot spell Bull---- without BS.

Slightly modified for the audience, but this did make us chuckle.

What is surprising is that after the earlier post about SS in lacroSSe, not one person made the observation that CR is needed to also spell laCRosse. Makes one wonder about CR and SS only being separated by one little "o".

So cOOl!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJ is not a cult.... now be a good parent, drink this cool-aid and send your check into CR.

No need to bring Shannon into this by the way.

Agree no reason to bring Shannon into it because basically she has nothing to do with the club other than letting daddy use her name to get as much money out of the TG cult members. Are there any worse tournaments than these Hofstra fall tournaments. The fields are hideous , one of the fields is a complete embarrassment and the reffing is non existent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJ is not a cult.... now be a good parent, drink this cool-aid and send your check into CR.

No need to bring Shannon into this by the way.

Agree no reason to bring Shannon into it because basically she has nothing to do with the club other than letting daddy use her name to get as much money out of the TG cult members. Are there any worse tournaments than these Hofstra fall tournaments. The fields are hideous , one of the fields is a complete embarrassment and the reffing is non existent.

The reffing is the biggest concern. The last tournament the stick swinging was out of control and if I had known that Hofstra players were going to be some of the refs, I would not have sent my team for the money they charged.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJ is not a cult.... now be a good parent, drink this cool-aid and send your check into CR.

No need to bring Shannon into this by the way.

Agree no reason to bring Shannon into it because basically she has nothing to do with the club other than letting daddy use her name to get as much money out of the TG cult members. Are there any worse tournaments than these Hofstra fall tournaments. The fields are hideous , one of the fields is a complete embarrassment and the reffing is non existent.

Let's see I can think of one. Mitchell Field tournament where you have to pay $ for entry that only partly goes to charity. Grass fields are not good, refs are terrible and tournament is yellow jackets playing yellow jackets and oh yeh, more yellow jackets. That's what I want to do, pay a sh*$ load of money to play against my own club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJ is not a cult.... now be a good parent, drink this cool-aid and send your check into CR.

No need to bring Shannon into this by the way.

Agree no reason to bring Shannon into it because basically she has nothing to do with the club other than letting daddy use her name to get as much money out of the TG cult members. Are there any worse tournaments than these Hofstra fall tournaments. The fields are hideous , one of the fields is a complete embarrassment and the reffing is non existent.

Let's see I can think of one. Mitchell Field tournament where you have to pay $ for entry that only partly goes to charity. Grass fields are not good, refs are terrible and tournament is yellow jackets playing yellow jackets and oh yeh, more yellow jackets. That's what I want to do, pay a sh*$ load of money to play against my own club.

Why don't you two go get a room...jeez!

So how did the national champs do this past weekend with out the help from their 2015 superstars ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the national champs do this past weekend with out the help from their 2015 superstars ?

Question : Aren't U15, 2015, and 2016 different things? Answer : Yes, BOTC does believe they are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the national champs do this past weekend with out the help from their 2015 superstars ?

Bitter Much

What's ur point jackass, u come on this thread from a different team? Maybe your little Mary didn't make TG? Go back to the bridge you are living under.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the national champs do this past weekend with out the help from their 2015 superstars ?

Well, considering that it was a showcase tournament and no scores were kept, they did pretty good, B.S. Was working overtime distributing the emails from the college coaches that liked what they saw...

If you are referring to the YJ game, I am actually a bit disappointed in both club directors for playing that game to win as it cost a few girls on each team playing time and exposure.

I'll be the first guy to tell you that the YJ team is really good, no one can take that away from you..we've played 4 games now each one decided by a 2 goal margin. You have the 3-1 game advantage but the one game we won.....National Championship.. Just sayin,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the national champs do this past weekend with out the help from their 2015 superstars ?

Well, considering that it was a showcase tournament and no scores were kept, they did pretty good, B.S. Was working overtime distributing the emails from the college coaches that liked what they saw...

If you are referring to the YJ game, I am actually a bit disappointed in both club directors for playing that game to win as it cost a few girls on each team playing time and exposure.

I'll be the first guy to tell you that the YJ team is really good, no one can take that away from you..we've played 4 games now each one decided by a 2 goal margin. You have the 3-1 game advantage but the one game we won.....National Championship.. Just sayin,

You left out one more thing about the college coaches..... They could care less who wins any of the games played.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the national champs do this past weekend with out the help from their 2015 superstars ?

Well, considering that it was a showcase tournament and no scores were kept, they did pretty good, B.S. Was working overtime distributing the emails from the college coaches that liked what they saw...

If you are referring to the YJ game, I am actually a bit disappointed in both club directors for playing that game to win as it cost a few girls on each team playing time and exposure.

I'll be the first guy to tell you that the YJ team is really good, no one can take that away from you..we've played 4 games now each one decided by a 2 goal margin. You have the 3-1 game advantage but the one game we won.....National Championship.. Just sayin,

You left out one more thing about the college coaches..... They could care less who wins any of the games played.

The National Champs did not play this weekend the 2016 teams did

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the national champs do this past weekend with out the help from their 2015 superstars ?

Well, considering that it was a showcase tournament and no scores were kept, they did pretty good, B.S. Was working overtime distributing the emails from the college coaches that liked what they saw...

If you are referring to the YJ game, I am actually a bit disappointed in both club directors for playing that game to win as it cost a few girls on each team playing time and exposure.

I'll be the first guy to tell you that the YJ team is really good, no one can take that away from you..we've played 4 games now each one decided by a 2 goal margin. You have the 3-1 game advantage but the one game we won.....National Championship.. Just sayin,

Actually your 2016 team is 0-4 against this 2016 YJ team, 0-1 maybe just lucky, 0-2 maybe just very lucky, 0-3 clearly the better team winning, 0-4 starts to show dominance, winning the U15 championship with different players shows just how much those 2015 kids helped or refer back to 0-1 and maybe they just got lucky. Watched both your YJ game and your Skywalkers debacle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the national champs do this past weekend with out the help from their 2015 superstars ?

Well, considering that it was a showcase tournament and no scores were kept, they did pretty good, B.S. Was working overtime distributing the emails from the college coaches that liked what they saw...

If you are referring to the YJ game, I am actually a bit disappointed in both club directors for playing that game to win as it cost a few girls on each team playing time and exposure.

I'll be the first guy to tell you that the YJ team is really good, no one can take that away from you..we've played 4 games now each one decided by a 2 goal margin. You have the 3-1 game advantage but the one game we won.....National Championship.. Just sayin,

Actually your 2016 team is 0-4 against this 2016 YJ team, 0-1 maybe just lucky, 0-2 maybe just very lucky, 0-3 clearly the better team winning, 0-4 starts to show dominance, winning the U15 championship with different players shows just how much those 2015 kids helped or refer back to 0-1 and maybe they just got lucky. Watched both your YJ game and your Skywalkers debacle.

We Are up by 2 "it's a SHOWCASE" so lets go into a stall for the last 4 minutes so we can win. Mean while College Coaches pack up and walk away when the stall starts that helps ALL the players out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the national champs do this past weekend with out the help from their 2015 superstars ?

Well, considering that it was a showcase tournament and no scores were kept, they did pretty good, B.S. Was working overtime distributing the emails from the college coaches that liked what they saw...

If you are referring to the YJ game, I am actually a bit disappointed in both club directors for playing that game to win as it cost a few girls on each team playing time and exposure.

I'll be the first guy to tell you that the YJ team is really good, no one can take that away from you..we've played 4 games now each one decided by a 2 goal margin. You have the 3-1 game advantage but the one game we won.....National Championship.. Just sayin,

Actually your 2016 team is 0-4 against this 2016 YJ team, 0-1 maybe just lucky, 0-2 maybe just very lucky, 0-3 clearly the better team winning, 0-4 starts to show dominance, winning the U15 championship with different players shows just how much those 2015 kids helped or refer back to 0-1 and maybe they just got lucky. Watched both your YJ game and your Skywalkers debacle.

Please explain how a "showcase" game can ever be a debacle... were us parents keeping score?? yes. were Carol and Shannon? Yes. were the 10 or 20 college coaches? I doubt it.
At this point in my daughters TG career I dont care if they ever win against YJ, Sky walkers, M&D or any other club... because I'm more interested in the college coaches she has emailed prior to the game on the sidelines watching her play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the national champs do this past weekend with out the help from their 2015 superstars ?

Well, considering that it was a showcase tournament and no scores were kept, they did pretty good, B.S. Was working overtime distributing the emails from the college coaches that liked what they saw...

If you are referring to the YJ game, I am actually a bit disappointed in both club directors for playing that game to win as it cost a few girls on each team playing time and exposure.

I'll be the first guy to tell you that the YJ team is really good, no one can take that away from you..we've played 4 games now each one decided by a 2 goal margin. You have the 3-1 game advantage but the one game we won.....National Championship.. Just sayin,

Actually your 2016 team is 0-4 against this 2016 YJ team, 0-1 maybe just lucky, 0-2 maybe just very lucky, 0-3 clearly the better team winning, 0-4 starts to show dominance, winning the U15 championship with different players shows just how much those 2015 kids helped or refer back to 0-1 and maybe they just got lucky. Watched both your YJ game and your Skywalkers debacle.

We Are up by 2 "it's a SHOWCASE" so lets go into a stall for the last 4 minutes so we can win. Mean while College Coaches pack up and walk away when the stall starts that helps ALL the players out.

Or you could just do what TG did and pull your goalie out of the crease in desperation and play dirty w a couple yellow and red cards late in the game. If they went to goal and scored on an empty net you would be on here saying that is poor sportsmanship.Stalling is part of the game and actually does show college coaches things they do not always get to see.Neither team looked great but I believe that was the 8 game of the weekend for both teams and they seemed to be running on fumes.

Oh my! You really need to start caring about things in life that really matter. It's the season to be thankful for the gifts in our lives. One day these girls may be playing for the same college team. I certainly hope that you if they are fortunate enough to be able to keep playing lacrosse that they can learn to get along as teammates. I certainly hope your daughter doesn't hear all your negativity. TG Parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the national champs do this past weekend with out the help from their 2015 superstars ?

Well, considering that it was a showcase tournament and no scores were kept, they did pretty good, B.S. Was working overtime distributing the emails from the college coaches that liked what they saw...

If you are referring to the YJ game, I am actually a bit disappointed in both club directors for playing that game to win as it cost a few girls on each team playing time and exposure.

I'll be the first guy to tell you that the YJ team is really good, no one can take that aiway from you..we've played 4 games now each one decided by a 2 goal margin. You have the 3-1 game advantage but the one game we won.....National Championship.. Just sayin,

Actually your 2016 team is 0-4 against this 2016 YJ team, 0-1 maybe just lucky, 0-2 maybe just very lucky, 0-3 clearly the better team winning, 0-4 starts to show dominance, winning the U15 championship with different players shows just how much those 2015 kids helped or refer back to 0-1 and maybe they just got lucky. Watched both your YJ game and your Skywalkers debacle.

Nobody cares but the few psycho parents on each team!

Long time lurker of BOC, first time poster. With regard to this last weekend's showcases. (This is a little off topic and sorry if I am highjacking the thread) I have to say, this Summer/Fall has been quite a learning experience for me as a parent.

I learned that tourney registrations and scheduling is NOT based on merit. Some clubs don't have to have an army of parents manning the registration pages when it opens and then closes in less than 5 minutes. I noticed that the same "A" level teams played each other both on Sat and Sun. One team was "frozen out". It's really been bugging me because this Summer and Fall is important for the 16's. This last weekend, they played and crushed one minor "A" team as well as several "B" level teams....in front of no college coaches. It's rigged! It's all about the "Brand" and making money.

My daughter's team has not lost to the "vaunted" Skywalkers Blue since they were in 6th grade. Haven't lost to TG's since 6th grade. In addition, until this last weekend, they were the only team to have beaten M&D 16 Black more than once....(I believe it's 4 times now). Congrats to the Defoe BTW, Our girls were hoping for another opportunity to play the YJ's and the TG's but were denied that opportunity.

It's just deflating to see that worthy teams are prevented from playing meaningfull games against strong opponants in front of collegiate recruiters.

Sorry for the rant. Im just sick and tired of the blatant "backdoor" manipulation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long time lurker of BOC, first time poster. With regard to this last weekend's showcases. (This is a little off topic and sorry if I am highjacking the thread) I have to say, this Summer/Fall has been quite a learning experience for me as a parent.

I learned that tourney registrations and scheduling is NOT based on merit. Some clubs don't have to have an army of parents manning the registration pages when it opens and then closes in less than 5 minutes. I noticed that the same "A" level teams played each other both on Sat and Sun. One team was "frozen out". It's really been bugging me because this Summer and Fall is important for the 16's. This last weekend, they played and crushed one minor "A" team as well as several "B" level teams....in front of no college coaches. It's rigged! It's all about the "Brand" and making money.

My daughter's team has not lost to the "vaunted" Skywalkers Blue since they were in 6th grade. Haven't lost to TG's since 6th grade. In addition, until this last weekend, they were the only team to have beaten M&D 16 Black more than once....(I believe it's 4 times now). Congrats to the Defoe BTW, Our girls were hoping for another opportunity to play the YJ's and the TG's but were denied that opportunity.

It's just deflating to see that worthy teams are prevented from playing meaningfull games against strong opponants in front of collegiate recruiters.

Sorry for the rant. Im just sick and tired of the blatant "backdoor" manipulation.

What team does your daughter play for????

The club name doesn't necessarily matter. (I'm sure someone will figure it out). The point is that there are a few teams that are consistantly denied opportunity not because they are not worthy but because they are not from "branded" clubs that have carefully cultivated reps.

Again, the point is, some club OWNERS cultivate sexy brands and shout their own praises from the roof tops. They consistantly, approach tourney schedulers for favor in registering and scheduling. This means that registration and scheduling is not about merit but about brand recognition....MONEY. In turn, those teams (girls) who have EARNED merit from their play on the field but are from a less sexy brand get pushed aside come recruiting time. The whole process is somewhat of a joke at this point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long time lurker of BOC, first time poster. With regard to this last weekend's showcases. (This is a little off topic and sorry if I am highjacking the thread) I have to say, this Summer/Fall has been quite a learning experience for me as a parent.

I learned that tourney registrations and scheduling is NOT based on merit. Some clubs don't have to have an army of parents manning the registration pages when it opens and then closes in less than 5 minutes. I noticed that the same "A" level teams played each other both on Sat and Sun. One team was "frozen out". It's really been bugging me because this Summer and Fall is important for the 16's. This last weekend, they played and crushed one minor "A" team as well as several "B" level teams....in front of no college coaches. It's rigged! It's all about the "Brand" and making money.

My daughter's team has not lost to the "vaunted" Skywalkers Blue since they were in 6th grade. Haven't lost to TG's since 6th grade. In addition, until this last weekend, they were the only team to have beaten M&D 16 Black more than once....(I believe it's 4 times now). Congrats to the Defoe BTW, Our girls were hoping for another opportunity to play the YJ's and the TG's but were denied that opportunity.

It's just deflating to see that worthy teams are prevented from playing meaningfull games against strong opponants in front of collegiate recruiters.

Sorry for the rant. Im just sick and tired of the blatant "backdoor" manipulation.

It might be me, but this message is very cryptic. I don't know which team you belong to, and I can't figure out your issue. It would be easier for the rest of us if you would just be open and say so.
If your 2016 team has consistently beaten TG black, YJ Defo, sky walkers Blue and M&D black....I certainly don't know who you are.

It might be time to go to a different tryout....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The club name doesn't necessarily matter. (I'm sure someone will figure it out). The point is that there are a few teams that are consistantly denied opportunity not because they are not worthy but because they are not from "branded" clubs that have carefully cultivated reps.

Again, the point is, some club OWNERS cultivate sexy brands and shout their own praises from the roof tops. They consistantly, approach tourney schedulers for favor in registering and scheduling. This means that registration and scheduling is not about merit but about brand recognition....MONEY. In turn, those teams (girls) who have EARNED merit from their play on the field but are from a less sexy brand get pushed aside come recruiting time. The whole process is somewhat of a joke at this point.

you complain about not getting respect and recognition You lament about being wallowed in the shadows of the "sexier brands", while having the ability to easily dispatch some of the primer clubs in the country. But when asked a simple question that could bring your daughter and her entire club into the light you deny us the chance to know who this powerhouse is. I beg you to enlighten us as to who you are so all us lesser clubs can pressure the tournament organizers to never allow our lowly daughters to face such a fearsome foe

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The club name doesn't necessarily matter. (I'm sure someone will figure it out). The point is that there are a few teams that are consistantly denied opportunity not because they are not worthy but because they are not from "branded" clubs that have carefully cultivated reps.

Again, the point is, some club OWNERS cultivate sexy brands and shout their own praises from the roof tops. They consistantly, approach tourney schedulers for favor in registering and scheduling. This means that registration and scheduling is not about merit but about brand recognition....MONEY. In turn, those teams (girls) who have EARNED merit from their play on the field but are from a less sexy brand get pushed aside come recruiting time. The whole process is somewhat of a joke at this point.

Suffolk All Star 2016 is a really good team! Hope they get love at these tournies!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The club name doesn't necessarily matter. (I'm sure someone will figure it out). The point is that there are a few teams that are consistantly denied opportunity not because they are not worthy but because they are not from "branded" clubs that have carefully cultivated reps.

Again, the point is, some club OWNERS cultivate sexy brands and shout their own praises from the roof tops. They consistantly, approach tourney schedulers for favor in registering and scheduling. This means that registration and scheduling is not about merit but about brand recognition....MONEY. In turn, those teams (girls) who have EARNED merit from their play on the field but are from a less sexy brand get pushed aside come recruiting time. The whole process is somewhat of a joke at this point.

So your daughter plays on the best team in the nation, that wins every tournament , but nobody knows about. Then the organization you belong to is failing its players. I have gone to many tournaments with teams slapped together from girls from odd clubs and they do extremely well, but is of little use, the idea is you want to be involved in that brand recognition as it carries weight. That means being part of a club that is strong in all age groups, not just one team in one age group. But there is a place for everyone and if your happy were you are, good for you. But it sounds like your not happy or you would not be on here complaint about your over sighted club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long time lurker of BOC, first time poster. With regard to this last weekend's showcases. (This is a little off topic and sorry if I am highjacking the thread) I have to say, this Summer/Fall has been quite a learning experience for me as a parent.

I learned that tourney registrations and scheduling is NOT based on merit. Some clubs don't have to have an army of parents manning the registration pages when it opens and then closes in less than 5 minutes. I noticed that the same "A" level teams played each other both on Sat and Sun. One team was "frozen out". It's really been bugging me because this Summer and Fall is important for the 16's. This last weekend, they played and crushed one minor "A" team as well as several "B" level teams....in front of no college coaches. It's rigged! It's all about the "Brand" and making money.

My daughter's team has not lost to the "vaunted" Skywalkers Blue since they were in 6th grade. Haven't lost to TG's since 6th grade. In addition, until this last weekend, they were the only team to have beaten M&D 16 Black more than once....(I believe it's 4 times now). Congrats to the Defoe BTW, Our girls were hoping for another opportunity to play the YJ's and the TG's but were denied that opportunity.

It's just deflating to see that worthy teams are prevented from playing meaningfull games against strong opponants in front of collegiate recruiters.

Sorry for the rant. Im just sick and tired of the blatant "backdoor" manipulation.

What team does your daughter play for????

Gotta be Hero's

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long time lurker of BOC, first time poster. With regard to this last weekend's showcases. (This is a little off topic and sorry if I am highjacking the thread) I have to say, this Summer/Fall has been quite a learning experience for me as a parent.

I learned that tourney registrations and scheduling is NOT based on merit. Some clubs don't have to have an army of parents manning the registration pages when it opens and then closes in less than 5 minutes. I noticed that the same "A" level teams played each other both on Sat and Sun. One team was "frozen out". It's really been bugging me because this Summer and Fall is important for the 16's. This last weekend, they played and crushed one minor "A" team as well as several "B" level teams....in front of no college coaches. It's rigged! It's all about the "Brand" and making money.

My daughter's team has not lost to the "vaunted" Skywalkers Blue since they were in 6th grade. Haven't lost to TG's since 6th grade. In addition, until this last weekend, they were the only team to have beaten M&D 16 Black more than once....(I believe it's 4 times now). Congrats to the Defoe BTW, Our girls were hoping for another opportunity to play the YJ's and the TG's but were denied that opportunity.

It's just deflating to see that worthy teams are prevented from playing meaningfull games against strong opponants in front of collegiate recruiters.

Sorry for the rant. Im just sick and tired of the blatant "backdoor" manipulation.

It might be me, but this message is very cryptic. I don't know which team you belong to, and I can't figure out your issue. It would be easier for the rest of us if you would just be open and say so.
If your 2016 team has consistently beaten TG black, YJ Defo, sky walkers Blue and M&D black....I certainly don't know who you are.

It might be time to go to a different tryout....

The team is heroes and they have never beaten YJ Defo. Funny thing is the top teams which they are one go to the same tournaments almost every year, if you want to play them go to those championship tournaments they go to and win. Have seen them play and are a good team but have not had much success playing YJ or playing on tournaments that YJ are in. That being said these are still fall tournaments so you cannot take too much from a team perspective out of them , go to national draw.

Hey whats with the LacroSSe3 camps run by SS at Hofstra? Cant she use the TG name or is this to work the Hofstra system?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey whats with the LacroSSe3 camps run by SS at Hofstra? Cant she use the TG name or is this to work the Hofstra system?

As explained somewhere else on the is board, maybe even in this thread, Lacro$$e by 3 is a Hofstra thing. Top Guns has their own camps under their banner. Two separate entities although SS is involved in both.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the national champs do this past weekend with out the help from their 2015 superstars ?

Well, considering that it was a showcase tournament and no scores were kept, they did pretty good, B.S. Was working overtime distributing the emails from the college coaches that liked what they saw...

If you are referring to the YJ game, I am actually a bit disappointed in both club directors for playing that game to win as it cost a few girls on each team playing time and exposure.

I'll be the first guy to tell you that the YJ team is really good, no one can take that aiway from you..we've played 4 games now each one decided by a 2 goal margin. You have the 3-1 game advantage but the one game we won.....National Championship.. Just sayin,

Actually your 2016 team is 0-4 against this 2016 YJ team, 0-1 maybe just lucky, 0-2 maybe just very lucky, 0-3 clearly the better team winning, 0-4 starts to show dominance, winning the U15 championship with different players shows just how much those 2015 kids helped or refer back to 0-1 and maybe they just got lucky. Watched both your YJ game and your Skywalkers debacle.

Nobody cares but the few psycho parents on each team!

2016 YJ team is pretty quiet so I would be hard pressed to call any of them psycho parents but I'm sure TG would disagree

Summer Rosters?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Summer Rosters?

Maybe they're not posting rosters anymore. I wouldn't if I ran a club. I don't see any benefit for the club directors. Just headaches, and gossip!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the national champs do this past weekend with out the help from their 2015 superstars ?

Well, considering that it was a showcase tournament and no scores were kept, they did pretty good, B.S. Was working overtime distributing the emails from the college coaches that liked what they saw...

If you are referring to the YJ game, I am actually a bit disappointed in both club directors for playing that game to win as it cost a few girls on each team playing time and exposure.

I'll be the first guy to tell you that the YJ team is really good, no one can take that aiway from you..we've played 4 games now each one decided by a 2 goal margin. You have the 3-1 game advantage but the one game we won.....National Championship.. Just sayin,

Actually your 2016 team is 0-4 against this 2016 YJ team, 0-1 maybe just lucky, 0-2 maybe just very lucky, 0-3 clearly the better team winning, 0-4 starts to show dominance, winning the U15 championship with different players shows just how much those 2015 kids helped or refer back to 0-1 and maybe they just got lucky. Watched both your YJ game and your Skywalkers debacle.

Nobody cares but the few psycho parents on each team!

2016 YJ team is pretty quiet so I would be hard pressed to call any of them psycho parents but I'm sure TG would disagree

First, refresh my memory, where did TG lose to YJ 4 times? I recall last year losing by 1 in maryland, losing by 2 at Nat. Draw in semi's, winning by 2 in Fla at Nat. Championship, losing by 2 last Saturday at Navy.

none of those games was a debacle, each team played well and either team could have won.

As I said above your team is really good, some of the best at their age, and a solid coach who def. knows his stuff.

I hope we play at every tournament these last 2 years, regardless of the score, I guarantee an exciting game. who cares who wins and by how much... (Oh yeah us parents lol)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the national champs do this past weekend with out the help from their 2015 superstars ?

Well, considering that it was a showcase tournament and no scores were kept, they did pretty good, B.S. Was working overtime distributing the emails from the college coaches that liked what they saw...

If you are referring to the YJ game, I am actually a bit disappointed in both club directors for playing that game to win as it cost a few girls on each team playing time and exposure.

I'll be the first guy to tell you that the YJ team is really good, no one can take that aiway from you..we've played 4 games now each one decided by a 2 goal margin. You have the 3-1 game advantage but the one game we won.....National Championship.. Just sayin,

Actually your 2016 team is 0-4 against this 2016 YJ team, 0-1 maybe just lucky, 0-2 maybe just very lucky, 0-3 clearly the better team winning, 0-4 starts to show dominance, winning the U15 championship with different players shows just how much those 2015 kids helped or refer back to 0-1 and maybe they just got lucky. Watched both your YJ game and your Skywalkers debacle.

Nobody cares but the few psycho parents on each team!

2016 YJ team is pretty quiet so I would be hard pressed to call any of them psycho parents but I'm sure TG would disagree

First, refresh my memory, where did TG lose to YJ 4 times? I recall last year losing by 1 in maryland, losing by 2 at Nat. Draw in semi's, winning by 2 in Fla at Nat. Championship, losing by 2 last Saturday at Navy.

none of those games was a debacle, each team played well and either team could have won.

As I said above your team is really good, some of the best at their age, and a solid coach who def. knows his stuff.

I hope we play at every tournament these last 2 years, regardless of the score, I guarantee an exciting game. who cares who wins and by how much... (Oh yeah us parents lol)

Seriously ,your 2016 TG team has never beaten YJ 2016 ,keep calling your U15 national championship a 2016 win all you want but its not( by the way congrats on that championship).The teams had played previously at the YJ tourney at Mitchel field when Shannon actually sent some teams there. Actually thought your skywalkers game was a debacle , thought you guys played terribly .I agree they should play each other at every tournament and really enjoy when its the last game of the day for both , funny even when its a showcase both teams go all out to win, I don't remember a team pulling the goalie out of the crease in a showcase game that no official score was kept at. Makes it fun.

Actually your 2016 team is 0-4 against this 2016 YJ team, 0-1 maybe just lucky, 0-2 maybe just very lucky, 0-3 clearly the better team winning, 0-4 starts to show dominance, winning the U15 championship with different players shows just how much those 2015 kids helped or refer back to 0-1 and maybe they just got lucky. Watched both your YJ game and your Skywalkers debacle. [/quote]

Nobody cares but the few psycho parents on each team! [/quote]

2016 YJ team is pretty quiet so I would be hard pressed to call any of them psycho parents but I'm sure TG would disagree [/quote]

First, refresh my memory, where did TG lose to YJ 4 times? I recall last year losing by 1 in maryland, losing by 2 at Nat. Draw in semi's, winning by 2 in Fla at Nat. Championship, losing by 2 last Saturday at Navy.

none of those games was a debacle, each team played well and either team could have won.

As I said above your team is really good, some of the best at their age, and a solid coach who def. knows his stuff.

I hope we play at every tournament these last 2 years, regardless of the score, I guarantee an exciting game. who cares who wins and by how much... (Oh yeah us parents lol)

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Seriously ,your 2016 TG team has never beaten YJ 2016 ,keep calling your U15 national championship a 2016 win all you want but its not( by the way congrats on that championship).The teams had played previously at the YJ tourney at Mitchel field when Shannon actually sent some teams there. Actually thought your skywalkers game was a debacle , thought you guys played terribly .I agree they should play each other at every tournament and really enjoy when its the last game of the day for both , funny even when its a showcase both teams go all out to win, I don't remember a team pulling the goalie out of the crease in a showcase game that no official score was kept at. Makes it fun. [/quote]

The mitchell field game was before my time then,, at least 4 seasons ago,

Ok, I'll bite. didn't your U15 Florida team have at least 1 2015 girl on it? played Defense? I'm sure you would have brought more if you could, right. Your 2016 Goalie is age eligible to play this year again, is she gonna go?? i bet she does. ( I think she should by the way)

I don't think the goalie would have left the crease to help double the ball if the the 4 corners/stall hadn't happened { in a showcase, no score kept

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see you at the field

Didn't the 2016 team also lose to the Suffolk Allstar team at the Hofstra lacrosse by 3 tournament this past summer. Any given day...great to see so many teams/ options for these girls

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually your 2016 team is 0-4 against this 2016 YJ team, 0-1 maybe just lucky, 0-2 maybe just very lucky, 0-3 clearly the better team winning, 0-4 starts to show dominance, winning the U15 championship with different players shows just how much those 2015 kids helped or refer back to 0-1 and maybe they just got lucky. Watched both your YJ game and your Skywalkers debacle.

Psycho = Someone who doesn't have a daughter on either team, but is soooooo concerned that YJ is better than TG. Have a life much. Great girls on both teams. Why the hate, did your daughter get cut from TG? Funny how the girls from both teams don't really have a problem with one another (and are even friends), but psycho parents like the one above, can hold so much hate...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn't the 2016 team also lose to the Suffolk Allstar team at the Hofstra lacrosse by 3 tournament this past summer. Any given day...great to see so many teams/ options for these girls

Suffolk Allstars happen to be a very good team and an excellent program, parents can be jackhammers, but thats true with every team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn't the 2016 team also lose to the Suffolk Allstar team at the Hofstra lacrosse by 3 tournament this past summer. Any given day...great to see so many teams/ options for these girls

Suffolk Allstars happen to be a very good team and an excellent program, parents can be jackhammers, but thats true with every team

Good team?? Maybe. Excellent program?? No way! They folded up their tent this year and went to Team 91... Yet to be seen if that was a wise move.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn't the 2016 team also lose to the Suffolk Allstar team at the Hofstra lacrosse by 3 tournament this past summer. Any given day...great to see so many teams/ options for these girls

Suffolk Allstars happen to be a very good team and an excellent program, parents can be jackhammers, but thats true with every team

Good team?? Maybe. Excellent program?? No way! They folded up their tent this year and went to Team 91... Yet to be seen if that was a wise move.

I've seen the 91 thing first hand. You just get a uniform, you get to pay 91 Fee's (which i'm sure are different from Allstar Fee's), and It will be all the same girls. Why would they pay more money for the same team.

Nice job by your TG daddy coach at T3 tournent this weekend. Hey Bill it's about time to reign in your TG daddy coach wannabes. They are 12 year olds playing in a fall league , calm down and realize you owe the kids on your team an apology . Keep up the good work your TG reputation is getting better and better.

What are you talking about?

I have to hand it to Shannon, she can get a ham sandwich committed, Shes like a magician

What Happened At The T3 Tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice job by your TG daddy coach at T3 tournent this weekend. Hey Bill it's about time to reign in your TG daddy coach wannabes. They are 12 year olds playing in a fall league , calm down and realize you owe the kids on your team an apology . Keep up the good work your TG reputation is getting better and better.

You're a simple-minded dope, with too much time on your hands...Bill is not responsible for the actions of every parent who has a kid playing in the TG organization. Every organization has crazy Dad's, AND Mom's...TG is doing just fine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have to hand it to Shannon, she can get a ham sandwich committed, Shes like a magician

what are you talking about?

People stay off the crack before you go on a forum. Your psycho infatuation with Bill Smith is disturbing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have to hand it to Shannon, she can get a ham sandwich committed, Shes like a magician

what are you talking about?

I guess your Daughter has not committed yet but someone else has.

[quote=Anonymous]Nice job by your TG daddy coach at T3 tournent this weekend. Hey Bill it's about time to reign in your TG daddy coach wannabes. They are 12 year olds playing in a fall league , calm down and realize you owe the kids on your team an apology . Keep up the good work your TG reputation is getting better and better.

Good job but not as good as the Mommy that coached the 2020 YJ big $$$ to have a parent coach. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People stay off the crack before you go on a forum. Your psycho infatuation with Bill Smith is disturbing.

Are you talking about these people who keep bringing up the TG psycho daddy crap? Are you saying they're the ones on crack? If so, I agree...it got old last summer, and I don't think anyone with TG really cares, or listens anymore. Just the outsiders, who come here to cause trouble, and get all worked up!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice job by your TG daddy coach at T3 tournent this weekend. Hey Bill it's about time to reign in your TG daddy coach wannabes. They are 12 year olds playing in a fall league , calm down and realize you owe the kids on your team an apology . Keep up the good work your TG reputation is getting better and better.

You're a simple-minded dope, with too much time on your hands...Bill is not responsible for the actions of every parent who has a kid playing in the TG organization. Every organization has crazy Dad's, AND Mom's...TG is doing just fine.

The big difference is that BS and SS allow the TG Daddy's to coach in the fall. They hand select the girls. They then play only their kids and enter into tournaments to pump up themselves and their egos. They embarrass the program with each appearance. This is so like the YJ friends and family plan.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn't the 2016 team also lose to the Suffolk Allstar team at the Hofstra lacrosse by 3 tournament this past summer. Any given day...great to see so many teams/ options for these girls

Suffolk Allstars happen to be a very good team and an excellent program, parents can be jackhammers, but thats true with every team

I don't think they are paying 91 fees! It appears 91 brought this team over to give their girls program some credibility so they can make more money later!!!

Good team?? Maybe. Excellent program?? No way! They folded up their tent this year and went to Team 91... Yet to be seen if that was a wise move.

I've seen the 91 thing first hand. You just get a uniform, you get to pay 91 Fee's (which i'm sure are different from Allstar Fee's), and It will be all the same girls. Why would they pay more money for the same team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice job by your TG daddy coach at T3 tournent this weekend. Hey Bill it's about time to reign in your TG daddy coach wannabes. They are 12 year olds playing in a fall league , calm down and realize you owe the kids on your team an apology . Keep up the good work your TG reputation is getting better and better.

You're a simple-minded dope, with too much time on your hands...Bill is not responsible for the actions of every parent who has a kid playing in the TG organization. Every organization has crazy Dad's, AND Mom's...TG is doing just fine.

The big difference is that BS and SS allow the TG Daddy's to coach in the fall. They hand select the girls. They then play only their kids and enter into tournaments to pump up themselves and their egos. They embarrass the program with each appearance. This is so like the YJ friends and family plan.

Ok, then be happy where you are, and move on. Why are you soooo infatuated with the TG program, BS, SS, and these "TG Daddys", as you childishly call them? Do you have a life outside of stalking TG's? Get over it. You must (I hope for your daughter's sake), have something better to spend your time and energy on....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Nice job by your TG daddy coach at T3 tournent this weekend. Hey Bill it's about time to reign in your TG daddy coach wannabes. They are 12 year olds playing in a fall league , calm down and realize you owe the kids on your team an apology . Keep up the good work your TG reputation is getting better and better.

Good job but not as good as the Mommy that coached the 2020 YJ big $$$ to have a parent coach. LOL

Lets compare coaches, TG psycho daddy has no real coaching experience, ran onto field to prove psycho status arguing w refs when game was over, runs isolation plays over and over for his daughter
YJ mommy coach, has years of experience coaching girls lacrosse as the varsity coach for Huntington High School, daughter plays defense, shows the girls to respect the refs and realizes its just 11 year olds playing fall ball

SO who is actually in this FAF plan?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Nice job by your TG daddy coach at T3 tournent this weekend. Hey Bill it's about time to reign in your TG daddy coach wannabes. They are 12 year olds playing in a fall league , calm down and realize you owe the kids on your team an apology . Keep up the good work your TG reputation is getting better and better.

Good job but not as good as the Mommy that coached the 2020 YJ big $$$ to have a parent coach. LOL

Lets compare coaches, TG psycho daddy has no real coaching experience, ran onto field to prove psycho status arguing w refs when game was over, runs isolation plays over and over for his daughter
YJ mommy coach, has years of experience coaching girls lacrosse as the varsity coach for Huntington High School, daughter plays defense, shows the girls to respect the refs and realizes its just 11 year olds playing fall ball

Funny thing is YJ mommy coach has had her daughter play in more than a few tournaments on the Psycho TG Daddy team. Go figure.

you're a complete tool lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice job by your TG daddy coach at T3 tournent this weekend. Hey Bill it's about time to reign in your TG daddy coach wannabes. They are 12 year olds playing in a fall league , calm down and realize you owe the kids on your team an apology . Keep up the good work your TG reputation is getting better and better.

You're a simple-minded dope, with too much time on your hands...Bill is not responsible for the actions of every parent who has a kid playing in the TG organization. Every organization has crazy Dad's, AND Mom's...TG is doing just fine.

The big difference is that BS and SS allow the TG Daddy's to coach in the fall. They hand select the girls. They then play only their kids and enter into tournaments to pump up themselves and their egos. They embarrass the program with each appearance. This is so like the YJ friends and family plan.

if you are talking about the 2020 girls who played in New jersey in the 2018/2019 division you couldn't be farther from the truth. Every girl on the 2020 roster was invited to play, and only 3 girls on the roster actually didn't. this was no friends and family plan, this was some parents who volunteered and asked every girl and got most almost every single girl there. And, they did pretty good. My daughter played and I thought the coaches were composed all day. One call to send the girls home was heated , but can't take away the rest of the day.

First why should Bill be embarrassed? This is a group of girls who are playing fall ball together! It's said on here time and time again "go out and make your own team..." Guess you're damed if you do damed if you don't! They are NOT entering these tournaments as a TG team! They have another name, different coaches and they do not wear their TG pinnies! TG does not currently offer anything for the younger girls in the fall! Would it be better for them to put their sticks down from Aug- April? That' would be ridiculous! They went out and made their own team and btw the entire 2020 team was invited to T3. There were 20 of the 23-24 girls there! Many of these kids play on different fall teams - as they should! I think Bill & Shannon would be extremely proud of how well their 2020 girls played in the 2019/2018 division!!
As for the coaches, they are doing a fine job! If your kid is not on the team you really have no reason to be commenting on their ability or lack there of! If you're not involved why care so much? These are dads offering their time and no they are not the summer coaches - they never claimed to be! If you're not directly involved with this team you should really spend less time worrying about it! The kids/parents on this team are not being held captive if they were unhappy they would leave and go else where! Even though many of the other "daddy" teams are not as welcoming as this one!!

Why all the name calling. I agree that Top Guns is a great program that like any club could use some constructive criticism not insults. What I think some people feel that when you join a travel club/program for a lot of people it is to have their children experience playing for an impartial coach and not playing for Dads who are coaching and making their own kids the priority as they do for Pal/town teams. But since Top Guns uses college students as coaches all the fall /winter stuff Billy and Shannon leave to the Dads. I personally don't feel that's appropriate at club level. I would rather they enlist local independent coaches who could do a fall or winter tournament with the selected teams and see no control go to the fathers. The Dads also only ask a handful of the girls hoping to have some of them have a better chemistry for the spring/summer. Not really fair either. A lot of good points are missed by posters above because all people are paying attention to are the insults. Please be adults.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Nice job by your TG daddy coach at T3 tournent this weekend. Hey Bill it's about time to reign in your TG daddy coach wannabes. They are 12 year olds playing in a fall league , calm down and realize you owe the kids on your team an apology . Keep up the good work your TG reputation is getting better and better.

Good job but not as good as the Mommy that coached the 2020 YJ big $$$ to have a parent coach. LOL

ran onto field to prove psycho status arguing w refs when game was over, runs isolation plays over and over for his daughter

I'll call you out on your statement. Three coaches on the sideline for that team all day long. . Two of the daughters play D and the other one played attack. I Didn't see an isolation play most of the day, and if there was the coaches daughters were not part of them. So, why lie? These girls were commended by the refs all day, and even YJ parents waiting for their game right after were very gracious in complementing the girls, move on and stop with the lies. they are after all 11 YEARS OLD.

I dont understand your problem with fathers getting together and grabbing some girls to play in some tournaments. Why dont you yjs do it. Not allowed maybe. Get to save alot of money and keep a stick in there hands.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long time lurker of BOC, first time poster. With regard to this last weekend's showcases. (This is a little off topic and sorry if I am highjacking the thread) I have to say, this Summer/Fall has been quite a learning experience for me as a parent.

I learned that tourney registrations and scheduling is NOT based on merit. Some clubs don't have to have an army of parents manning the registration pages when it opens and then closes in less than 5 minutes. I noticed that the same "A" level teams played each other both on Sat and Sun. One team was "frozen out". It's really been bugging me because this Summer and Fall is important for the 16's. This last weekend, they played and crushed one minor "A" team as well as several "B" level teams....in front of no college coaches. It's rigged! It's all about the "Brand" and making money.

My daughter's team has not lost to the "vaunted" Skywalkers Blue since they were in 6th grade. Haven't lost to TG's since 6th grade. In addition, until this last weekend, they were the only team to have beaten M&D 16 Black more than once....(I believe it's 4 times now). Congrats to the Defoe BTW, Our girls were hoping for another opportunity to play the YJ's and the TG's but were denied that opportunity.

It's just deflating to see that worthy teams are prevented from playing meaningfull games against strong opponants in front of collegiate recruiters.

Sorry for the rant. Im just sick and tired of the blatant "backdoor" manipulation.

Too funny , you had your chance to play the best 2016 teams but did not make it out of pool play, all you had to do was win all your pool play games and you were in.Seems that when YJ is around you guys never catch a break.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I dont understand your problem with fathers getting together and grabbing some girls to play in some tournaments. Why dont you yjs do it. Not allowed maybe. Get to save alot of money and keep a stick in there hands.

There are several fall tournaments where its parents on the sidelines for the YJ especially the younger age. Only the recruiting age has paid coaches on the sidelines so move on from your banter about YJ and the mommy coach making $$$ she is a volunteer for the fall just like some of the other parents.

Awesome news I hear the best young player has selected again this year what team she wishes to play on. Tuff decision, play on older team and coaching not as good , play on younger team and players not as good plus parents are insane. I think the braintrust got a little nervous that they could lose her so they let her decide what team she plays on.Even heard they went to the house to beg her to stay, seems desperate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice job by your TG daddy coach at T3 tournent this weekend. Hey Bill it's about time to reign in your TG daddy coach wannabes. They are 12 year olds playing in a fall league , calm down and realize you owe the kids on your team an apology . Keep up the good work your TG reputation is getting better and better.

You're a simple-minded dope, with too much time on your hands...Bill is not responsible for the actions of every parent who has a kid playing in the TG organization. Every organization has crazy Dad's, AND Mom's...TG is doing just fine.

The big difference is that BS and SS allow the TG Daddy's to coach in the fall. They hand select the girls. They then play only their kids and enter into tournaments to pump up themselves and their egos. They embarrass the program with each appearance. This is so like the YJ friends and family plan.

Embarrasing is the way yj ran up score versus 2020/2021 teams that could barely catch and throw, but in the end I guess they all felt good about themselves!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice job by your TG daddy coach at T3 tournent this weekend. Hey Bill it's about time to reign in your TG daddy coach wannabes. They are 12 year olds playing in a fall league , calm down and realize you owe the kids on your team an apology . Keep up the good work your TG reputation is getting better and better.

You're a simple-minded dope, with too much time on your hands...Bill is not responsible for the actions of every parent who has a kid playing in the TG organization. Every organization has crazy Dad's, AND Mom's...TG is doing just fine.

The big difference is that BS and SS allow the TG Daddy's to coach in the fall. They hand select the girls. They then play only their kids and enter into tournaments to pump up themselves and their egos. They embarrass the program with each appearance. This is so like the YJ friends and family plan.

Embarrasing is the way yj ran up score versus 2020/2021 teams that could barely catch and throw, but in the end I guess they all felt good about themselves!

The YJ entered in the 2020 division was comprised of both 2020's and 2021's so get your facts straight a-hole. Worry about your own problems as you alienate your own team by hand picking your players. Now crawl back under your trailer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I dont understand your problem with fathers getting together and grabbing some girls to play in some tournaments. Why dont you yjs do it. Not allowed maybe. Get to save alot of money and keep a stick in there hands.

There are several fall tournaments where its parents on the sidelines for the YJ especially the younger age. Only the recruiting age has paid coaches on the sidelines so move on from your banter about YJ and the mommy coach making $$$ she is a volunteer for the fall just like some of the other parents.

If the mommy coach is a volunteer, where is all the money the YJ collected for these tournaments going?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Nice job by your TG daddy coach at T3 tournent this weekend. Hey Bill it's about time to reign in your TG daddy coach wannabes. They are 12 year olds playing in a fall league , calm down and realize you owe the kids on your team an apology . Keep up the good work your TG reputation is getting better and better.

Good job but not as good as the Mommy that coached the 2020 YJ big $$$ to have a parent coach. LOL

Lets compare coaches, TG psycho daddy has no real coaching experience, ran onto field to prove psycho status arguing w refs when game was over, runs isolation plays over and over for his daughter
YJ mommy coach, has years of experience coaching girls lacrosse as the varsity coach for Huntington High School, daughter plays defense, shows the girls to respect the refs and realizes its just 11 year olds playing fall ball

Funny thing is YJ mommy coach has had her daughter play in more than a few tournaments on the Psycho TG Daddy team. Go figure.

What? Are you kidding ? The YJ Coaches kid also plays for the TG? Do as I say not as I do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Awesome news I hear the best young player has selected again this year what team she wishes to play on. Tuff decision, play on older team and coaching not as good , play on younger team and players not as good plus parents are insane. I think the braintrust got a little nervous that they could lose her so they let her decide what team she plays on.Even heard they went to the house to beg her to stay, seems desperate.

Now we all know you shouldn't believe even 1% of "what you hear"

Great post.Stop the negativity it was a great day for the girls,
They played their hearts out all day. They had a great time between games, the parents were fine no one got crazy like some make it out to be. The coaches in my opinion didn't do anything out of line,Yes at the end there was an on the field out burst. You know what if your a parent...With a heart and some emotion you could probably understand, it his little girl was on the field crying and yes maybe he over reacted.

Thank You to the parents who put this together, and congratulations to our 2020 girls who played their hearts out all day against 2019 and 2018 teams. It was a great moment to see the YG parents on the sideline chearing for a fellow L.I. team playing out of town, we need more of that from both sides.

Congratulations to the YJ teams that won their respective divisions..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice job by your TG daddy coach at T3 tournent this weekend. Hey Bill it's about time to reign in your TG daddy coach wannabes. They are 12 year olds playing in a fall league , calm down and realize you owe the kids on your team an apology . Keep up the good work your TG reputation is getting better and better.

You're a simple-minded dope, with too much time on your hands...Bill is not responsible for the actions of every parent who has a kid playing in the TG organization. Every organization has crazy Dad's, AND Mom's...TG is doing just fine.

The big difference is that BS and SS allow the TG Daddy's to coach in the fall. They hand select the girls. They then play only their kids and enter into tournaments to pump up themselves and their egos. They embarrass the program with each appearance. This is so like the YJ friends and family plan.

Embarrasing is the way yj ran up score versus 2020/2021 teams that could barely catch and throw, but in the end I guess they all felt good about themselves!

The YJ entered in the 2020 division was comprised of both 2020's and 2021's so get your facts straight a-hole. Worry about your own problems as you alienate your own team by hand picking your players. Now crawl back under your trailer

You must have been the parent yelling for your daughter to Go to Goal, when up by 10.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Nice job by your TG daddy coach at T3 tournent this weekend. Hey Bill it's about time to reign in your TG daddy coach wannabes. They are 12 year olds playing in a fall league , calm down and realize you owe the kids on your team an apology . Keep up the good work your TG reputation is getting better and better.

Good job but not as good as the Mommy that coached the 2020 YJ big $$$ to have a parent coach. LOL

Lets compare coaches, TG psycho daddy has no real coaching experience, ran onto field to prove psycho status arguing w refs when game was over, runs isolation plays over and over for his daughter
YJ mommy coach, has years of experience coaching girls lacrosse as the varsity coach for Huntington High School, daughter plays defense, shows the girls to respect the refs and realizes its just 11 year olds playing fall ball

Funny thing is YJ mommy coach has had her daughter play in more than a few tournaments on the Psycho TG Daddy team. Go figure.

What? Are you kidding ? The YJ Coaches kid also plays for the TG? Do as I say not as I do.

Mommy coach did the same thing at 91 a few years ago, not a very good coach. She is the same as the "psycho Daddy" that everyone talks about. She also coached for Beach Bums for at least 1 year. All she is interested in is making sure her daughter never leaves the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice job by your TG daddy coach at T3 tournent this weekend. Hey Bill it's about time to reign in your TG daddy coach wannabes. They are 12 year olds playing in a fall league , calm down and realize you owe the kids on your team an apology . Keep up the good work your TG reputation is getting better and better.

You're a simple-minded dope, with too much time on your hands...Bill is not responsible for the actions of every parent who has a kid playing in the TG organization. Every organization has crazy Dad's, AND Mom's...TG is doing just fine.

The big difference is that BS and SS allow the TG Daddy's to coach in the fall. They hand select the girls. They then play only their kids and enter into tournaments to pump up themselves and their egos. They embarrass the program with each appearance. This is so like the YJ friends and family plan.

Embarrasing is the way yj ran up score versus 2020/2021 teams that could barely catch and throw, but in the end I guess they all felt good about themselves!

The YJ entered in the 2020 division was comprised of both 2020's and 2021's so get your facts straight a-hole. Worry about your own problems as you alienate your own team by hand picking your players. Now crawl back under your trailer

You must have been the parent yelling for your daughter to Go to Goal, when up by 10.

"look who is stalking the YJ games" TG your pathetic! watch your own kids play unless you are thinking about coming over LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Nice job by your TG daddy coach at T3 tournent this weekend. Hey Bill it's about time to reign in your TG daddy coach wannabes. They are 12 year olds playing in a fall league , calm down and realize you owe the kids on your team an apology . Keep up the good work your TG reputation is getting better and better.

Good job but not as good as the Mommy that coached the 2020 YJ big $$$ to have a parent coach. LOL

Lets compare coaches, TG psycho daddy has no real coaching experience, ran onto field to prove psycho status arguing w refs when game was over, runs isolation plays over and over for his daughter
YJ mommy coach, has years of experience coaching girls lacrosse as the varsity coach for Huntington High School, daughter plays defense, shows the girls to respect the refs and realizes its just 11 year olds playing fall ball

Funny thing is YJ mommy coach has had her daughter play in more than a few tournaments on the Psycho TG Daddy team. Go figure.

What? Are you kidding ? The YJ Coaches kid also plays for the TG? Do as I say not as I do.

Mommy coach did the same thing at 91 a few years ago, not a very good coach. She is the same as the "psycho Daddy" that everyone talks about. She also coached for Beach Bums for at least 1 year. All she is interested in is making sure her daughter never leaves the field.

Ohhh, now I know who you mean. Yes, I think you have her pegged.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice job by your TG daddy coach at T3 tournent this weekend. Hey Bill it's about time to reign in your TG daddy coach wannabes. They are 12 year olds playing in a fall league , calm down and realize you owe the kids on your team an apology . Keep up the good work your TG reputation is getting better and better.

You're a simple-minded dope, with too much time on your hands...Bill is not responsible for the actions of every parent who has a kid playing in the TG organization. Every organization has crazy Dad's, AND Mom's...TG is doing just fine.

The big difference is that BS and SS allow the TG Daddy's to coach in the fall. They hand select the girls. They then play only their kids and enter into tournaments to pump up themselves and their egos. They embarrass the program with each appearance. This is so like the YJ friends and family plan.

Embarrasing is the way yj ran up score versus 2020/2021 teams that could barely catch and throw, but in the end I guess they all felt good about themselves!

The YJ entered in the 2020 division was comprised of both 2020's and 2021's so get your facts straight a-hole. Worry about your own problems as you alienate your own team by hand picking your players. Now crawl back under your trailer

Seems to me that you're repeating exactly what was said in the original post - those e are the facts! The issue was the lack of sportsmanship in beating up what were clearly inferior teams - 18-0, 16-2...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice job by your TG daddy coach at T3 tournent this weekend. Hey Bill it's about time to reign in your TG daddy coach wannabes. They are 12 year olds playing in a fall league , calm down and realize you owe the kids on your team an apology . Keep up the good work your TG reputation is getting better and better.

You're a simple-minded dope, with too much time on your hands...Bill is not responsible for the actions of every parent who has a kid playing in the TG organization. Every organization has crazy Dad's, AND Mom's...TG is doing just fine.

The big difference is that BS and SS allow the TG Daddy's to coach in the fall. They hand select the girls. They then play only their kids and enter into tournaments to pump up themselves and their egos. They embarrass the program with each appearance. This is so like the YJ friends and family plan.

Embarrasing is the way yj ran up score versus 2020/2021 teams that could barely catch and throw, but in the end I guess they all felt good about themselves!

The YJ entered in the 2020 division was comprised of both 2020's and 2021's so get your facts straight a-hole. Worry about your own problems as you alienate your own team by hand picking your players. Now crawl back under your trailer

Seems to me that you're repeating exactly what was said in the original post - those e are the facts! The issue was the lack of sportsmanship in beating up what were clearly inferior teams - 18-0, 16-2...

Not sure if 2 2021's on the YJ 2020 team should really be considered a mixed age team......and not all YJ's parents felt good about the lopsided scores.

I have to be honest and ask what all the fuss is about? First, the whole TG daddy thing...So a couple of parents got together and coached a tournament. Seems they invited all the TG girls from the team, so big deal. Good Job. According to one of the coaches, they tried to enter the 2020 division but were told there were only openings in 2019. So they did well playing in the 2018/19 division. Even better. Knowing a lot of the YJ parents, they would have preferred playing up. Have never seen them back down from a challenge in this age group, so I'm sure if they knew that Green Machine was playing up and the competition would be so poor, they would have done the same.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great post.Stop the negativity it was a great day for the girls,
They played their hearts out all day. They had a great time between games, the parents were fine no one got crazy like some make it out to be. The coaches in my opinion didn't do anything out of line,Yes at the end there was an on the field out burst. You know what if your a parent...With a heart and some emotion you could probably understand, it his little girl was on the field crying and yes maybe he over reacted.

Thank You to the parents who put this together, and congratulations to our 2020 girls who played their hearts out all day against 2019 and 2018 teams. It was a great moment to see the YG parents on the sideline chearing for a fellow L.I. team playing out of town, we need more of that from both sides.

Congratulations to the YJ teams that won their respective divisions..

Just too funny, your okay w the on the field outburst in an 11 year old fall tournament, if that's what Bill ands Shannon want to represent their club then they should get the kid back who was stealing stuff at National Drawaybe she can pick up the new uniforms at a discount price.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great post.Stop the negativity it was a great day for the girls,
They played their hearts out all day. They had a great time between games, the parents were fine no one got crazy like some make it out to be. The coaches in my opinion didn't do anything out of line,Yes at the end there was an on the field out burst. You know what if your a parent...With a heart and some emotion you could probably understand, it his little girl was on the field crying and yes maybe he over reacted.

Thank You to the parents who put this together, and congratulations to our 2020 girls who played their hearts out all day against 2019 and 2018 teams. It was a great moment to see the YG parents on the sideline chearing for a fellow L.I. team playing out of town, we need more of that from both sides.

Congratulations to the YJ teams that won their respective divisions..

Just too funny, your okay w the on the field outburst in an 11 year old fall tournament, if that's what Bill ands Shannon want to represent their club then they should get the kid back who was stealing stuff at National Drawaybe she can pick up the new uniforms at a discount price.

Like it doesn't happen with other programs, coaches, and parents. It's never the right thing to do, but you're trying to say that's the TG way, and that's ridiculous. Nobody said Bill and Shannon want that to represent their club...only you said that, now try to get a life, and go away already...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just too funny, your okay w the on the field outburst in an 11 year old fall tournament, if that's what Bill ands Shannon want to represent their club then they should get the kid back who was stealing stuff at National Drawaybe she can pick up the new uniforms at a discount price.

Are you for real, dredging up something that happened with one girl a few years ago? That's a fatal flaw in logic, to attribute to a whole club the actions on an individual.

There's bad behavior all over the sidelines of all sports. No one loves it or approves of it. The end.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just too funny, your okay w the on the field outburst in an 11 year old fall tournament, if that's what Bill ands Shannon want to represent their club then they should get the kid back who was stealing stuff at National Drawaybe she can pick up the new uniforms at a discount price.

Are you for real, dredging up something that happened with one girl a few years ago? That's a fatal flaw in logic, to attribute to a whole club the actions on an individual.

There's bad behavior all over the sidelines of all sports. No one loves it or approves of it. The end.

Well said Powder. Time to move on!

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just too funny, your okay w the on the field outburst in an 11 year old fall tournament, if that's what Bill ands Shannon want to represent their club then they should get the kid back who was stealing stuff at National Drawaybe she can pick up the new uniforms at a discount price.

Are you for real, dredging up something that happened with one girl a few years ago? That's a fatal flaw in logic, to attribute to a whole club the actions on an individual.

There's bad behavior all over the sidelines of all sports. No one loves it or approves of it. The end.

The fatal flaw is you are condoning the on field outburst saying it happens on all sidelines when clearly it does not. Amazing you have no issue with this , where do you draw the line, does he need to come in physical contact w the ref, does he need to actually punch the guy. To funny that when one of these daddy teams beats a YJ team it's a TG win when one of these daddy teams have a coach freak out it has nothing to do w TG.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just too funny, your okay w the on the field outburst in an 11 year old fall tournament, if that's what Bill ands Shannon want to represent their club then they should get the kid back who was stealing stuff at National Drawaybe she can pick up the new uniforms at a discount price.

Are you for real, dredging up something that happened with one girl a few years ago? That's a fatal flaw in logic, to attribute to a whole club the actions on an individual.

There's bad behavior all over the sidelines of all sports. No one loves it or approves of it. The end.

The fatal flaw is you are condoning the on field outburst saying it happens on all sidelines when clearly it does not. Amazing you have no issue with this , where do you draw the line, does he need to come in physical contact w the ref, does he need to actually punch the guy. To funny that when one of these daddy teams beats a YJ team it's a TG win when one of these daddy teams have a coach freak out it has nothing to do w TG.

You must be a newbie to this all, otherwise you would know of all the YJ antics from players, parents and coaches that have been prominent through the years. You can come on here and try to put a anti TG spin on this type of behavior but as a part of the YJs you would best bite your tongue on this topic.

Just to funny?? Why is that funny? Why does the fact that it was 11 year olds and a fall tournament have anything to do with it? If your paying attention you would realize that these kids are just as competitive as the older kids and they play to win every game regardless of season. Do you think they travel 2 hours, get up before sunrise on a Sunday and don't care if they win or lose. Come on stop with the hate and all of the negativity.

I don't know if your a YJ or disgruntled TG parent or just a really miserable unhappy person, but this whole on field out burst is really being blown out of proportion. I'm paraphrasing here but it was something to the extent of " hey ref that was a terrible call my little girl got stepped on." By the way he ran on the field to pick his daughter off the field as she lay their crying. It's unbelievable that you choose to focus on a 15 second event rather then on an amazing game. I didn't, see anything at that game that is worthy of this sort of criticism, and yes it is never acceptable to yell at the refs.

What's funny is to see how you are trying to make something out of nothing and then tie it to the TG owners, they should be proud of what happened on the field a team comprised of 2020 TG girls played their hearts out and kicked butt. Everything else is sour grapes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just too funny, your okay w the on the field outburst in an 11 year old fall tournament, if that's what Bill ands Shannon want to represent their club then they should get the kid back who was stealing stuff at National Drawaybe she can pick up the new uniforms at a discount price.

Are you for real, dredging up something that happened with one girl a few years ago? That's a fatal flaw in logic, to attribute to a whole club the actions on an individual.

There's bad behavior all over the sidelines of all sports. No one loves it or approves of it. The end.

The fatal flaw is you are condoning the on field outburst saying it happens on all sidelines when clearly it does not. Amazing you have no issue with this , where do you draw the line, does he need to come in physical contact w the ref, does he need to actually punch the guy. To funny that when one of these daddy teams beats a YJ team it's a TG win when one of these daddy teams have a coach freak out it has nothing to do w TG.

1. Clearly you are new to sports if you don't think there is bad behavior to be found across the board. Through my children, I've been around organized sports since 1996, I've seen a LOT of crazy stuff from spitting to fist fights (among parents, among players, players threatening the sidelines, on and on) to screaming parents and coaches. I've also seen coaches not stand up for their players and that's not good either, it's a fine line.

2. At no time did I condone bad behavior. As stated above: "No one loves it or approves of it." Acknowledging it happens is far from condoning it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to funny?? Why is that funny? Why does the fact that it was 11 year olds and a fall tournament have anything to do with it? If your paying attention you would realize that these kids are just as competitive as the older kids and they play to win every game regardless of season. Do you think they travel 2 hours, get up before sunrise on a Sunday and don't care if they win or lose. Come on stop with the hate and all of the negativity.

I don't know if your a YJ or disgruntled TG parent or just a really miserable unhappy person, but this whole on field out burst is really being blown out of proportion. I'm paraphrasing here but it was something to the extent of " hey ref that was a terrible call my little girl got stepped on." By the way he ran on the field to pick his daughter off the field as she lay their crying. It's unbelievable that you choose to focus on a 15 second event rather then on an amazing game. I didn't, see anything at that game that is worthy of this sort of criticism, and yes it is never acceptable to yell at the refs.

What's funny is to see how you are trying to make something out of nothing and then tie it to the TG owners, they should be proud of what happened on the field a team comprised of 2020 TG girls played their hearts out and kicked butt. Everything else is sour grapes.

What's funny is how ridiculous your reply is."I didn't, see anything at that game that is worthy of this sort of criticism, and yes it is never acceptable to yell at the refs." Well which is it, or is it only acceptable to argue with refs if your a TG daddy coach."By the way he ran on the field to pick his daughter off the field as she lay their crying" yet he still had time to give the ref a few choice words. Yes we get you played up in age for this tournament as you keep reminding us but this team has cheated in the past multiple times playing with older kids down in age or playing at age when tournament rules require travel teams to play up a year in age, hello long island lax fest.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The fatal flaw is you are condoning the on field outburst saying it happens on all sidelines when clearly it does not. Amazing you have no issue with this , where do you draw the line, does he need to come in physical contact w the ref, does he need to actually punch the guy. To funny that when one of these daddy teams beats a YJ team it's a TG win when one of these daddy teams have a coach freak out it has nothing to do w TG.

1. Clearly you are new to sports if you don't think there is bad behavior to be found across the board. Through my children, I've been around organized sports since 1996, I've seen a LOT of crazy stuff from spitting to fist fights (among parents, among players, players threatening the sidelines, on and on) to screaming parents and coaches. I've also seen coaches not stand up for their players and that's not good either, it's a fine line.

2. At no time did I condone bad behavior. As stated above: "No one loves it or approves of it." Acknowledging it happens is far from condoning it.

I have "known of" Powderfinger since long before I actually "knew" Powderfinger ... when our now college graduates were competing in U/10 soccer tournaments.

Truth be told, you will not get a more balanced or more judicious review of youth sports issues from a registered member to this forum than with Powderfinger. We are fortunate to have him/her as a contributor.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just too funny, your okay w the on the field outburst in an 11 year old fall tournament, if that's what Bill ands Shannon want to represent their club then they should get the kid back who was stealing stuff at National Drawaybe she can pick up the new uniforms at a discount price.

Are you for real, dredging up something that happened with one girl a few years ago? That's a fatal flaw in logic, to attribute to a whole club the actions on an individual.

There's bad behavior all over the sidelines of all sports. No one loves it or approves of it. The end.

The fatal flaw is you are condoning the on field outburst saying it happens on all sidelines when clearly it does not. Amazing you have no issue with this , where do you draw the line, does he need to come in physical contact w the ref, does he need to actually punch the guy. To funny that when one of these daddy teams beats a YJ team it's a TG win when one of these daddy teams have a coach freak out it has nothing to do w TG.

1. Clearly you are new to sports if you don't think there is bad behavior to be found across the board. Through my children, I've been around organized sports since 1996, I've seen a LOT of crazy stuff from spitting to fist fights (among parents, among players, players threatening the sidelines, on and on) to screaming parents and coaches. I've also seen coaches not stand up for their players and that's not good either, it's a fine line.

2. At no time did I condone bad behavior. As stated above: "No one loves it or approves of it." Acknowledging it happens is far from condoning it.

Agree with your 1 point. Where I have an issue is when you or the TG,YJ,etc., leaders do nothing to correct the behavior you are in my opinion condoning it. I could be wrong and do not know the behind the scenes and maybe a call was made to this coach telling him it cannot happen again but I doubt it.Everyone keeps saying its a major issue in youth sports yet the behavior is rarely corrected. Even the attitude that an 11 year old game in the fall should be treated as if its the NCAA finals is just ignorant.It really should not only be about winning especially at this age. I could be wrong but when you accept and allow bad behavior isn't that the very definition of condone?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to funny?? Why is that funny? Why does the fact that it was 11 year olds and a fall tournament have anything to do with it? If your paying attention you would realize that these kids are just as competitive as the older kids and they play to win every game regardless of season. Do you think they travel 2 hours, get up before sunrise on a Sunday and don't care if they win or lose. Come on stop with the hate and all of the negativity.

I don't know if your a YJ or disgruntled TG parent or just a really miserable unhappy person, but this whole on field out burst is really being blown out of proportion. I'm paraphrasing here but it was something to the extent of " hey ref that was a terrible call my little girl got stepped on." By the way he ran on the field to pick his daughter off the field as she lay their crying. It's unbelievable that you choose to focus on a 15 second event rather then on an amazing game. I didn't, see anything at that game that is worthy of this sort of criticism, and yes it is never acceptable to yell at the refs.

What's funny is to see how you are trying to make something out of nothing and then tie it to the TG owners, they should be proud of what happened on the field a team comprised of 2020 TG girls played their hearts out and kicked butt. Everything else is sour grapes.

so the coach's 11 year old daughter gets badly fouled, she's down on the field crying, he runs on the field to see if she's ok, and he then voices his frustration to the ref for the no call, without using profanity, and this is what we are talking about?

Yes and I quote the coach" excuse me Mr official but I believe you may have missed a call". I am sure that's exactly how that went. Of course they were playing up 5 years in age also

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Awesome news I hear the best young player has selected again this year what team she wishes to play on. Tuff decision, play on older team and coaching not as good , play on younger team and players not as good plus parents are insane. I think the braintrust got a little nervous that they could lose her so they let her decide what team she plays on.Even heard they went to the house to beg her to stay, seems desperate.

Now we all know you shouldn't believe even 1% of "what you hear"

TGFAF or TGFOPL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to funny?? Why is that funny? Why does the fact that it was 11 year olds and a fall tournament have anything to do with it? If your paying attention you would realize that these kids are just as competitive as the older kids and they play to win every game regardless of season. Do you think they travel 2 hours, get up before sunrise on a Sunday and don't care if they win or lose. Come on stop with the hate and all of the negativity.

I don't know if your a YJ or disgruntled TG parent or just a really miserable unhappy person, but this whole on field out burst is really being blown out of proportion. I'm paraphrasing here but it was something to the extent of " hey ref that was a terrible call my little girl got stepped on." By the way he ran on the field to pick his daughter off the field as she lay their crying. It's unbelievable that you choose to focus on a 15 second event rather then on an amazing game. I didn't, see anything at that game that is worthy of this sort of criticism, and yes it is never acceptable to yell at the refs.

What's funny is to see how you are trying to make something out of nothing and then tie it to the TG owners, they should be proud of what happened on the field a team comprised of 2020 TG girls played their hearts out and kicked butt. Everything else is sour grapes.

What's funny is how ridiculous your reply is."I didn't, see anything at that game that is worthy of this sort of criticism, and yes it is never acceptable to yell at the refs." Well which is it, or is it only acceptable to argue with refs if your a TG daddy coach."By the way he ran on the field to pick his daughter off the field as she lay their crying" yet he still had time to give the ref a few choice words. Yes we get you played up in age for this tournament as you keep reminding us but this team has cheated in the past multiple times playing with older kids down in age or playing at age when tournament rules require travel teams to play up a year in age, hello long island lax fest.

You sound like an obsessed stalker of this team, time to move along.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Just to funny?? Why is that funny? Why does the fact that it was 11 year olds and a fall tournament have anything to do with it? If your paying attention you would realize that these kids are just as competitive as the older kids and they play to win every game regardless of season. Do you think they travel 2 hours, get up before sunrise on a Sunday and don't care if they win or lose. Come on stop with the hate and all of the negativity.

I don't know if your a YJ or disgruntled TG parent or just a really miserable unhappy person, but this whole on field out burst is really being blown out of proportion. I'm paraphrasing here but it was something to the extent of " hey ref that was a terrible call my little girl got stepped on." By the way he ran on the field to pick his daughter off the field as she lay their crying. It's unbelievable that you choose to focus on a 15 second event rather then on an amazing game. I didn't, see anything at that game that is worthy of this sort of criticism, and yes it is never acceptable to yell at the refs.

What's funny is to see how you are trying to make something out of nothing and then tie it to the TG owners, they should be proud of what happened on the field a team comprised of 2020 TG girls played their hearts out and kicked butt. Everything else is sour grapes.

What's funny is how ridiculous your reply is."I didn't, see anything at that game that is worthy of this sort of criticism, and yes it is never acceptable to yell at the refs." Well which is it, or is it only acceptable to argue with refs if your a TG daddy coach."By the way he ran on the field to pick his daughter off the field as she lay their crying" yet he still had time to give the ref a few choice words. Yes we get you played up in age for this tournament as you keep reminding us but this team has cheated in the past multiple times playing with older kids down in age or playing at age when tournament rules require travel teams to play up a year in age, hello long island lax fest.

Wonder if its such a terrible situation the YJ Mommy has her daughter play with this team so much so that she even has a matching lacrosse stick. LOL

Is this the same guy that had trouble at the Hofstra 7v7 ?

I was extremely happy with the new winter program. This is exactly what this club needed, now the girls get great training and competitive scrimmages. Shannon is working directly with every team and every girl with this format, which should greatly help improve the teams and club as a whole. Playing the indoor leagues was a complete waste of time,

Does TG's have a 2021 team for this upcoming spring (fifth graders)? or is their youngest team 2020's (6th graders.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does TG's have a 2021 team for this upcoming spring (fifth graders)? or is their youngest team 2020's (6th graders.

Thanks!

They had a tryout for 2021, so I assume they have a 5th grade team this year - not in the program though.

Daughter on the 2021 purple team. I believe this is the first year for 5th graders.

Agreed. Was there last night with my daughter for 2021 and it was great having instruction from Shannon directly to the girls. They opened up doing some stations on moves and shooting and played a 7v7 for the last 30 min and Shannon would stop play or instruct if she saw the girls were doing things incorrectly. Exactly what they need at this age and glad they just are not running around scrimmaging for the winter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Daughter on the 2021 purple team. I believe this is the first year for 5th graders.

first year for 2021, they always start each year with a fifth going into sixth grade team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was extremely happy with the new winter program. This is exactly what this club needed, now the girls get great training and competitive scrimmages. Shannon is working directly with every team and every girl with this format, which should greatly help improve the teams and club as a whole. Playing the indoor leagues was a complete waste of time,

Agreed!!!!!!! Much better than the indoor league!!!!!

Sorry but have to disagree , mixing skill levels does not benefit the better players and the cost is excessive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but have to disagree , mixing skill levels does not benefit the better players and the cost is excessive.

You have mixed skill levels in the indoor leagues too, and most of the time girls are just charging to the goal. There's very little team work, and it is nothing like the outdoor game. As a coach, I've had to actually "un-coach" some of the bad habits that develop in those indoor leagues.

Last night's session was much more productive, for the entire group, as a whole. Sorry if your superstar wasn't challenged. Guess you should have seen that coming, when you got the email/invite, and opted out. You could have saved a big $17 per session, which includes instruction from Shannon Smith!! You're paying for travel lacrosse, and you think that's excessive? Some people will ALWAYS see the negative side - must be a sad way to live...

I agree. A total waste of time. My daughter is on 2020 black. There is no system in place, the girls are scattered around doing drills that they did as 3rd graders. How is it helping the girls when half of the girls still have trouble catching the ball. At least keep the teams separated. To have the girls practice with girls that they will never play with on the field is a complete waste of time.

you sound silly complaining over the first one hour observation. Maybe you are really afraid that after the tryouts which are one day that some of the shameful purple girls will show up your precious black player. Really I feel sorry for kids when there parents state "the kid that cant catch". In between teaching your child lacrosse teach some kindness too. One hour one night was way too quick to start insulting other children.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but have to disagree , mixing skill levels does not benefit the better players and the cost is excessive.

Good thing it is optional, you should get your money back and stay home

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. A total waste of time. My daughter is on 2020 black. There is no system in place, the girls are scattered around doing drills that they did as 3rd graders. How is it helping the girls when half of the girls still have trouble catching the ball. At least keep the teams separated. To have the girls practice with girls that they will never play with on the field is a complete waste of time.

Can only half agree, what I do get to see, as well as Shannon gets to see is all the girls get exposed for what they are. Some girls who made black and don't belong, purple girls who clearly belong on black and so on. If nothing else this should serve as a extended tryout better enabling Shannon to sort the girls out for the following year.I am familiar with most all age groups and do not think they do a good job sorting out the talent, and mainly because she really doesn't know all the girls well. Some of the girls on my daughters team clearly don't belong on black and I see many purple girls who I would love to see moved up.But then there are the politics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. A total waste of time. My daughter is on 2020 black. There is no system in place, the girls are scattered around doing drills that they did as 3rd graders. How is it helping the girls when half of the girls still have trouble catching the ball. At least keep the teams separated. To have the girls practice with girls that they will never play with on the field is a complete waste of time.

No system in place? That wasn't the case at all for 2017. Was very well-organized, and yes - a few balls get dropped. If you think that means your daughter gets nothing out of it, stay home. She probably threw a few bad passes herself. Tell her to play off hand, if she's good and it's beneath her. I'm sure her dodges aren't perfect either. You're obnoxious. If she can't get $17 worth of productivity out of those sessions, you haven't taught her how to practice properly. That wouldn't surprise me, based on your post.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. A total waste of time. My daughter is on 2020 black. There is no system in place, the girls are scattered around doing drills that they did as 3rd graders. How is it helping the girls when half of the girls still have trouble catching the ball. At least keep the teams separated. To have the girls practice with girls that they will never play with on the field is a complete waste of time.

No system in place? That wasn't the case at all for 2017. Was very well-organized, and yes - a few balls get dropped. If you think that means your daughter gets nothing out of it, stay home. She probably threw a few bad passes herself. Tell her to play off hand, if she's good and it's beneath her. I'm sure her dodges aren't perfect either. You're obnoxious. If she can't get $17 worth of productivity out of those sessions, you haven't taught her how to practice properly. That wouldn't surprise me, based on your post.

Sorry, I have to agree with the previous 2 posts. It was a waste.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. A total waste of time. My daughter is on 2020 black. There is no system in place, the girls are scattered around doing drills that they did as 3rd graders. How is it helping the girls when half of the girls still have trouble catching the ball. At least keep the teams separated. To have the girls practice with girls that they will never play with on the field is a complete waste of time.

No system in place? That wasn't the case at all for 2017. Was very well-organized, and yes - a few balls get dropped. If you think that means your daughter gets nothing out of it, stay home. She probably threw a few bad passes herself. Tell her to play off hand, if she's good and it's beneath her. I'm sure her dodges aren't perfect either. You're obnoxious. If she can't get $17 worth of productivity out of those sessions, you haven't taught her how to practice properly. That wouldn't surprise me, based on your post.

Sorry, I have to agree with the previous 2 posts. It was a waste.

Another one....then don't go. We'll be happy to have lighter numbers

Been to quite a few of these workshops and trainings, including DLT (boys and girls), the HUB, other Top Guns and the like. Have to not just disagree, but disagree vehemently. Not sure where you were or what you were watching, but I went in to see what was going on, thinking that SS was coaching only the better team. Pleasantly surprised to see the girls mixed and distinct, solid stations that rotated on a timed schedule. Virtually every kid got some kind of comment, whether a compliment or a constructive instruction. During the scrimmages, they were set up so that the subs were minimal, ensuring each girl received plenty of field time. No going to cage, but rather tight space passing and encouraged ball movement. I am NOT a TG cheerleader, rest assured, if I was unhappy, no problem in sharing. For anyone who participated in last year's workshops with SS and TG, last night was vastly improved and superior. For $17 a session, with that kind of attention, no downside. One sidenote, based on the comments so far, if you really feel your child is that superior, I share/paraphrase an oft-quoted coaching philosophy -- a good player plays well, a great player make other players play well. Have a good night.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. A total waste of time. My daughter is on 2020 black. There is no system in place, the girls are scattered around doing drills that they did as 3rd graders. How is it helping the girls when half of the girls still have trouble catching the ball. At least keep the teams separated. To have the girls practice with girls that they will never play with on the field is a complete waste of time.

No system in place? That wasn't the case at all for 2017. Was very well-organized, and yes - a few balls get dropped. If you think that means your daughter gets nothing out of it, stay home. She probably threw a few bad passes herself. Tell her to play off hand, if she's good and it's beneath her. I'm sure her dodges aren't perfect either. You're obnoxious. If she can't get $17 worth of productivity out of those sessions, you haven't taught her how to practice properly. That wouldn't surprise me, based on your post.

Sorry, I have to agree with the previous 2 posts. It was a waste.

Another one....then don't go. We'll be happy to have lighter numbers

I thought it was excellent and may give some insight to the coaches for the National U15 team.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lots of business' hit the ground running, and then fizzle out and disappear. As the previous poster said, It was Shannon that started the club. You don't really think Bill Smith's name could have gotten hundreds of girls to play for him do you? With Shannon being less involved with T.G. because of her Hofstra commitment ,club infighting , bad publicity because of parents, and politics to rival the real top gun's in the club scene. how long do you think people will deal with this silliness? Once people realize the Smith's are just using Shannons name so dad and brother can cash in they will find a new place to play

BOTC was at an event just last night at Hofstra University's David Mack center. We can tell you for sure that the Women's Lacrosse Program at Hofstra is quite healthy and will continue and upward trajectory.

Further, we can tell you that the Long Island Top Guns programs and the affiliated Lacrosse-By-3 group have several extremely interesting events planned for the local girls scene that you will see here on BOTC (hopefully) within the coming weeks.

The grouping of these three elements, along with connections in the college coaching circles, continues to grow and thrive. Having seen a preview of these plans last night at the University, we strongly urge our original poster to rethink their position of a program on the wrong tracks. This is a full steam ahead situation for girls lacrosse.

What we the "interesting events planned for the local girls scene that you will see here on BOTC (hopefully) within the coming weeks" - want to make sure we didnt miss them? Were any of the several events held?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Been to quite a few of these workshops and trainings, including DLT (boys and girls), the HUB, other Top Guns and the like. Have to not just disagree, but disagree vehemently. Not sure where you were or what you were watching, but I went in to see what was going on, thinking that SS was coaching only the better team. Pleasantly surprised to see the girls mixed and distinct, solid stations that rotated on a timed schedule. Virtually every kid got some kind of comment, whether a compliment or a constructive instruction. During the scrimmages, they were set up so that the subs were minimal, ensuring each girl received plenty of field time. No going to cage, but rather tight space passing and encouraged ball movement. I am NOT a TG cheerleader, rest assured, if I was unhappy, no problem in sharing. For anyone who participated in last year's workshops with SS and TG, last night was vastly improved and superior. For $17 a session, with that kind of attention, no downside. One sidenote, based on the comments so far, if you really feel your child is that superior, I share/paraphrase an oft-quoted coaching philosophy -- a good player plays well, a great player make other players play well. Have a good night.

That was a great post, and I agree 100%, based on what I saw.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What we the "interesting events planned for the local girls scene that you will see here on BOTC (hopefully) within the coming weeks" - want to make sure we didnt miss them? Were any of the several events held?

A Lacrosse-By-3 Youth Clinic is this upcoming weekend and a High School Clinic is planned for January.

The most interesting point however is that the Recruiting Tournament has been moved to end-July. That event coincides with the K&J Athletics Girls Recruiting Event on the Friday of that weekend. Effectively, this will make that final July weekend an action packed recruiting time for girls. Based on the draw from both events on different weekends last year, we would expect between 80 and 100 institutions to be represented on that weekend making it the biggest girls recruiting event to hit Long Island - ever.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. A total waste of time. My daughter is on 2020 black. There is no system in place, the girls are scattered around doing drills that they did as 3rd graders. How is it helping the girls when half of the girls still have trouble catching the ball. At least keep the teams separated. To have the girls practice with girls that they will never play with on the field is a complete waste of time.

That's exactly why most everyone on and off this team hates 2020 Black. "Your better than everyone else" Good for the young lady and her parents who decided to stay on the 2019 team!

Spot on to the previous poster. My daughter is new to TGs and on is on the 2021 purple team. I didn't have my daughter join this program just so she could be in a winning program. I had her tryout so she improves as player with great coaching from a nationally recognized player and coaching staff. If i feel after this year I'm not getting that from the organization I leave. If last nite is any indication of how she is going to be taught I will have no issue with the program. I understand SS will not be there all the time and other coaches will take over but i will expect the same high level of coaching for the money I am paying. Bottom line is your 10,11,12 year old daughter is playing indoor winter lax (its not summer or spring)for development purposes,its not about separating out the teams at this point.

There is going to plenty of time when these teams are separated. Oh and is it wrong that the girls all hangout together and get to know it each other? I'm pretty sure SS told all the girls to know at least 3 new girls names by the end of the night...she didn't specify black or purple.That's how you build good relationships and camaraderie in the organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. A total waste of time. My daughter is on 2020 black. There is no system in place, the girls are scattered around doing drills that they did as 3rd graders. How is it helping the girls when half of the girls still have trouble catching the ball. At least keep the teams separated. To have the girls practice with girls that they will never play with on the field is a complete waste of time.

So you can see the future your Daughter will NEVER play on a Field with the other Girls. Be that close minded and you will be correct as the others improve their skills your daughter will not and she will be left behind.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Been to quite a few of these workshops and trainings, including DLT (boys and girls), the HUB, other Top Guns and the like. Have to not just disagree, but disagree vehemently. Not sure where you were or what you were watching, but I went in to see what was going on, thinking that SS was coaching only the better team. Pleasantly surprised to see the girls mixed and distinct, solid stations that rotated on a timed schedule. Virtually every kid got some kind of comment, whether a compliment or a constructive instruction. During the scrimmages, they were set up so that the subs were minimal, ensuring each girl received plenty of field time. No going to cage, but rather tight space passing and encouraged ball movement. I am NOT a TG cheerleader, rest assured, if I was unhappy, no problem in sharing. For anyone who participated in last year's workshops with SS and TG, last night was vastly improved and superior. For $17 a session, with that kind of attention, no downside. One sidenote, based on the comments so far, if you really feel your child is that superior, I share/paraphrase an oft-quoted coaching philosophy -- a good player plays well, a great player make other players play well. Have a good night.

Wow powerful stuff, vehemently disagree, lol. Try and do the math ,70 kids times 17 equals 1190, take away facility fee of 250 an hour and you get someone earning over 900 an hour to instruct lacrosse , that's reasonable. I guess you are one of those that believe all teams should be equal, no top team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Been to quite a few of these workshops and trainings, including DLT (boys and girls), the HUB, other Top Guns and the like. Have to not just disagree, but disagree vehemently. Not sure where you were or what you were watching, but I went in to see what was going on, thinking that SS was coaching only the better team. Pleasantly surprised to see the girls mixed and distinct, solid stations that rotated on a timed schedule. Virtually every kid got some kind of comment, whether a compliment or a constructive instruction. During the scrimmages, they were set up so that the subs were minimal, ensuring each girl received plenty of field time. No going to cage, but rather tight space passing and encouraged ball movement. I am NOT a TG cheerleader, rest assured, if I was unhappy, no problem in sharing. For anyone who participated in last year's workshops with SS and TG, last night was vastly improved and superior. For $17 a session, with that kind of attention, no downside. One sidenote, based on the comments so far, if you really feel your child is that superior, I share/paraphrase an oft-quoted coaching philosophy -- a good player plays well, a great player make other players play well. Have a good night.

Wow powerful stuff, vehemently disagree, lol. Try and do the math ,70 kids times 17 equals 1190, take away facility fee of 250 an hour and you get someone earning over 900 an hour to instruct lacrosse , that's reasonable. I guess you are one of those that believe all teams should be equal, no top team.

Indoor facilities cost on the low side $350 an hour per field. They are most likely paying $600-700 an hour plus paying 4 trainers . Most age groups had 35-40 girls there . You do the math. Making money yes but getting rich from it ??...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Been to quite a few of these workshops and trainings, including DLT (boys and girls), the HUB, other Top Guns and the like. Have to not just disagree, but disagree vehemently. Not sure where you were or what you were watching, but I went in to see what was going on, thinking that SS was coaching only the better team. Pleasantly surprised to see the girls mixed and distinct, solid stations that rotated on a timed schedule. Virtually every kid got some kind of comment, whether a compliment or a constructive instruction. During the scrimmages, they were set up so that the subs were minimal, ensuring each girl received plenty of field time. No going to cage, but rather tight space passing and encouraged ball movement. I am NOT a TG cheerleader, rest assured, if I was unhappy, no problem in sharing. For anyone who participated in last year's workshops with SS and TG, last night was vastly improved and superior. For $17 a session, with that kind of attention, no downside. One sidenote, based on the comments so far, if you really feel your child is that superior, I share/paraphrase an oft-quoted coaching philosophy -- a good player plays well, a great player make other players play well. Have a good night.

Wow powerful stuff, vehemently disagree, lol. Try and do the math ,70 kids times 17 equals 1190, take away facility fee of 250 an hour and you get someone earning over 900 an hour to instruct lacrosse , that's reasonable. I guess you are one of those that believe all teams should be equal, no top team.

I love these people who incorrectly try to scrutinize the profit being made by travel organizations. First of all, your numbers are wrong. Second of all, if you don't like the money they're making, don't contribute. Organizations will charge what the market will pay, rightfully so. It's a matter of supply & demand, not what you think they should, or shouldn't be making. Or, start up your own organization, and see how much money you make...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Been to quite a few of these workshops and trainings, including DLT (boys and girls), the HUB, other Top Guns and the like. Have to not just disagree, but disagree vehemently. Not sure where you were or what you were watching, but I went in to see what was going on, thinking that SS was coaching only the better team. Pleasantly surprised to see the girls mixed and distinct, solid stations that rotated on a timed schedule. Virtually every kid got some kind of comment, whether a compliment or a constructive instruction. During the scrimmages, they were set up so that the subs were minimal, ensuring each girl received plenty of field time. No going to cage, but rather tight space passing and encouraged ball movement. I am NOT a TG cheerleader, rest assured, if I was unhappy, no problem in sharing. For anyone who participated in last year's workshops with SS and TG, last night was vastly improved and superior. For $17 a session, with that kind of attention, no downside. One sidenote, based on the comments so far, if you really feel your child is that superior, I share/paraphrase an oft-quoted coaching philosophy -- a good player plays well, a great player make other players play well. Have a good night.

Wow powerful stuff, vehemently disagree, lol. Try and do the math ,70 kids times 17 equals 1190, take away facility fee of 250 an hour and you get someone earning over 900 an hour to instruct lacrosse , that's reasonable. I guess you are one of those that believe all teams should be equal, no top team.

You must be on Obama's economic advisory committee! Your calculations are way off much like our government is. Like them your words are filled with lies, slanted opinions and cloudy speculation adopted as fact. Really sad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. A total waste of time. My daughter is on 2020 black. There is no system in place, the girls are scattered around doing drills that they did as 3rd graders. How is it helping the girls when half of the girls still have trouble catching the ball. At least keep the teams separated. To have the girls practice with girls that they will never play with on the field is a complete waste of time.

That's exactly why most everyone on and off this team hates 2020 Black. "Your better than everyone else" Good for the young lady and her parents who decided to stay on the 2019 team!

It is unfair to put a blanket point of view on the entire 2020 black team! The above post is the view of one anonymous poster! We didn't all think Sunday was bad- it was certainly better than beating up on a team 18-2! Not everyone on the team thinks our daughter is better than all!! Some of us realize that all the kids from the top down need to work hard and continue to grow! You'd be hard pressed to find the 11 year old that knows everything about lax.

You guys need to get the "OH YEAH" tee shirts, keep drinking the cool aide. According to your boys calculations SS is losing money and must be the worst business person around.
37.5 x 17 =637.50 , minus out facility at 650 and 4 trainers at 20 each and she is losing 100 an hour. OH YEAH. Believe it the parents that have kids on the black team would prefer to stay with higher level players, just like advanced classes in school it does not help the smarter kids to dumb it down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. A total waste of time. My daughter is on 2020 black. There is no system in place, the girls are scattered around doing drills that they did as 3rd graders. How is it helping the girls when half of the girls still have trouble catching the ball. At least keep the teams separated. To have the girls practice with girls that they will never play with on the field is a complete waste of time.

That's exactly why most everyone on and off this team hates 2020 Black. "Your better than everyone else" Good for the young lady and her parents who decided to stay on the 2019 team!

What does that have to do with anything? Also, might make sense to stay with the 2019 team because from what has been said around here she wouldn't be able to play with 2020 in the u15 anyway. I don't know that as fact, and it's not a knock. No point in bringing this up anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. A total waste of time. My daughter is on 2020 black. There is no system in place, the girls are scattered around doing drills that they did as 3rd graders. How is it helping the girls when half of the girls still have trouble catching the ball. At least keep the teams separated. To have the girls practice with girls that they will never play with on the field is a complete waste of time.

That's exactly why most everyone on and off this team hates 2020 Black. "Your better than everyone else" Good for the young lady and her parents who decided to stay on the 2019 team!

That's funny - read back awhile in the posts everyone hated the 2019 parents last season! Lol. Hang in there 2021 everyone will hate you next year!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys need to get the "OH YEAH" tee shirts, keep drinking the cool aide. According to your boys calculations SS is losing money and must be the worst business person around.
37.5 x 17 =637.50 , minus out facility at 650 and 4 trainers at 20 each and she is losing 100 an hour. OH YEAH. Believe it the parents that have kids on the black team would prefer to stay with higher level players, just like advanced classes in school it does not help the smarter kids to dumb it down.

I don't know who you're talking to, but your math makes no sense, and you're all over the place. Just stay home, and let the girls who can't keep up with your superstar get better. Hopefully, you're not even a TG parent anyway...

It looks like many new TG parents have found this site, welcome! One thing to note is that this anonymous posting gets obnoxious from both people from your club and certainly from people from other clubs that are just looking to stir things up. Some of the negative posts about the training are no doubt from parents from other clubs and were not even there. Rest assured this new winter clinic idea is as good as it gets. I wish they ran it for 2 hours or twice a week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like many new TG parents have found this site, welcome! One thing to note is that this anonymous posting gets obnoxious from both people from your club and certainly from people from other clubs that are just looking to stir things up. Some of the negative posts about the training are no doubt from parents from other clubs and were not even there. Rest assured this new winter clinic idea is as good as it gets. I wish they ran it for 2 hours or twice a week.

As good as it gets , get over yourself. Pick who you believe are the top 5 players in the age group and ask for their honest opinion if that's as good as it gets. Hopefully the purple keeps practicing together with the black for the whole year that way the kids can just switch back and forth on the teams because we all know everybody is equal , except for the kid who gets to pick the team they play on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. A total waste of time. My daughter is on 2020 black. There is no system in place, the girls are scattered around doing drills that they did as 3rd graders. How is it helping the girls when half of the girls still have trouble catching the ball. At least keep the teams separated. To have the girls practice with girls that they will never play with on the field is a complete waste of time.

That's exactly why most everyone on and off this team hates 2020 Black. "Your better than everyone else" Good for the young lady and her parents who decided to stay on the 2019 team!

Every team has parents of chosen ones.
Please don't lump all of the 2020 Black parents together.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like many new TG parents have found this site, welcome! One thing to note is that this anonymous posting gets obnoxious from both people from your club and certainly from people from other clubs that are just looking to stir things up. Some of the negative posts about the training are no doubt from parents from other clubs and were not even there. Rest assured this new winter clinic idea is as good as it gets. I wish they ran it for 2 hours or twice a week.

As good as it gets , get over yourself. Pick who you believe are the top 5 players in the age group and ask for their honest opinion if that's as good as it gets. Hopefully the purple keeps practicing together with the black for the whole year that way the kids can just switch back and forth on the teams because we all know everybody is equal , except for the kid who gets to pick the team they play on.

Enough all ready about this kid that is playing up. I have never seen this kid but from what I hear she is legit. The only issue with her playing up is when she gets to 11th grade and moves down to play on grade for her final year she will bump a player off the black team that may have been playing on that team for years. Two ways to look at it....Let her play up now prolonging the inevitable or move her down now and put the last kid on the roster to purple....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like many new TG parents have found this site, welcome! One thing to note is that this anonymous posting gets obnoxious from both people from your club and certainly from people from other clubs that are just looking to stir things up. Some of the negative posts about the training are no doubt from parents from other clubs and were not even there. Rest assured this new winter clinic idea is as good as it gets. I wish they ran it for 2 hours or twice a week.

As good as it gets , get over yourself. Pick who you believe are the top 5 players in the age group and ask for their honest opinion if that's as good as it gets. Hopefully the purple keeps practicing together with the black for the whole year that way the kids can just switch back and forth on the teams because we all know everybody is equal , except for the kid who gets to pick the team they play on.

Enough all ready about this kid that is playing up. I have never seen this kid but from what I hear she is legit. The only issue with her playing up is when she gets to 11th grade and moves down to play on grade for her final year she will bump a player off the black team that may have been playing on that team for years. Two ways to look at it....Let her play up now prolonging the inevitable or move her down now and put the last kid on the roster to purple....

I know, enough is enough...that and the winter training have been talked about enough already

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like many new TG parents have found this site, welcome! One thing to note is that this anonymous posting gets obnoxious from both people from your club and certainly from people from other clubs that are just looking to stir things up. Some of the negative posts about the training are no doubt from parents from other clubs and were not even there. Rest assured this new winter clinic idea is as good as it gets. I wish they ran it for 2 hours or twice a week.

As good as it gets , get over yourself. Pick who you believe are the top 5 players in the age group and ask for their honest opinion if that's as good as it gets. Hopefully the purple keeps practicing together with the black for the whole year that way the kids can just switch back and forth on the teams because we all know everybody is equal , except for the kid who gets to pick the team they play on.

Can't speak for the other four, but yeah, it is very good. Look at other camps, clinics and training alternatives. Here you have the black and purple team playing together, the teams were selected and man weaker players were passed on by the club. What you have left is a cross section of average talent that far exceeds all but a very very few select invitational high school girl camps. Between all my daughters I have been to many and most camps and clinics out there, they accept any and all comers with cash in hand. This is true of all TG and YJ camps as well. This is not the blue team practicing with the 7th or 8th team in the age group, its the first team with second and half the second team roster are better than the bottom half of first.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like many new TG parents have found this site, welcome! One thing to note is that this anonymous posting gets obnoxious from both people from your club and certainly from people from other clubs that are just looking to stir things up. Some of the negative posts about the training are no doubt from parents from other clubs and were not even there. Rest assured this new winter clinic idea is as good as it gets. I wish they ran it for 2 hours or twice a week.

As good as it gets , get over yourself. Pick who you believe are the top 5 players in the age group and ask for their honest opinion if that's as good as it gets. Hopefully the purple keeps practicing together with the black for the whole year that way the kids can just switch back and forth on the teams because we all know everybody is equal , except for the kid who gets to pick the team they play on.

Can't speak for the other four, but yeah, it is very good. Look at other camps, clinics and training alternatives. Here you have the black and purple team playing together, the teams were selected and man weaker players were passed on by the club. What you have left is a cross section of average talent that far exceeds all but a very very few select invitational high school girl camps. Between all my daughters I have been to many and most camps and clinics out there, they accept any and all comers with cash in hand. This is true of all TG and YJ camps as well. This is not the blue team practicing with the 7th or 8th team in the age group, its the first team with second and half the second team roster are better than the bottom half of first.

Doesn't sound like they did a very good job at tryouts if 50% were misplaced.

To All the 6th grade Parents of Superstars remember Children mature at different rates and their interest in something can change very quickly. Watch your child play hope they keep to improve.There is a good chance your Daughter may not be the Star when they enter High School.

A good chance?? cmon

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To All the 6th grade Parents of Superstars remember Children mature at different rates and their interest in something can change very quickly. Watch your child play hope they keep to improve.There is a good chance your Daughter may not be the Star when they enter High School.

Can the 2020 bashing get moved to the 2020 girls thread please! Enough already

Shes' not really playing up, she was held back a year to giver her an advantage. now its backfiring

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like many new TG parents have found this site, welcome! One thing to note is that this anonymous posting gets obnoxious from both people from your club and certainly from people from other clubs that are just looking to stir things up. Some of the negative posts about the training are no doubt from parents from other clubs and were not even there. Rest assured this new winter clinic idea is as good as it gets. I wish they ran it for 2 hours or twice a week.

As good as it gets , get over yourself. Pick who you believe are the top 5 players in the age group and ask for their honest opinion if that's as good as it gets. Hopefully the purple keeps practicing together with the black for the whole year that way the kids can just switch back and forth on the teams because we all know everybody is equal , except for the kid who gets to pick the team they play on.

Enough all ready about this kid that is playing up. I have never seen this kid but from what I hear she is legit. The only issue with her playing up is when she gets to 11th grade and moves down to play on grade for her final year she will bump a player off the black team that may have been playing on that team for years. Two ways to look at it....Let her play up now prolonging the inevitable or move her down now and put the last kid on the roster to purple....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shes' not really playing up, she was held back a year to giver her an advantage. now its backfiring

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like many new TG parents have found this site, welcome! One thing to note is that this anonymous posting gets obnoxious from both people from your club and certainly from people from other clubs that are just looking to stir things up. Some of the negative posts about the training are no doubt from parents from other clubs and were not even there. Rest assured this new winter clinic idea is as good as it gets. I wish they ran it for 2 hours or twice a week.

As good as it gets , get over yourself. Pick who you believe are the top 5 players in the age group and ask for their honest opinion if that's as good as it gets. Hopefully the purple keeps practicing together with the black for the whole year that way the kids can just switch back and forth on the teams because we all know everybody is equal , except for the kid who gets to pick the team they play on.

Enough all ready about this kid that is playing up. I have never seen this kid but from what I hear she is legit. The only issue with her playing up is when she gets to 11th grade and moves down to play on grade for her final year she will bump a player off the black team that may have been playing on that team for years. Two ways to look at it....Let her play up now prolonging the inevitable or move her down now and put the last kid on the roster to purple....

Why do you care

"Shes' not really playing up, she was held back a year to giver her an advantage. now its backfiring"

Seriously are you this much of a loser. There are several kids on the 2020 team who are so called hold backs why single out this kid.So many problems would be avoided if the teams were made on an age based system. US lacrosse is such an impotent ruling body it will never happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Shes' not really playing up, she was held back a year to giver her an advantage. now its backfiring"

Seriously are you this much of a loser. There are several kids on the 2020 team who are so called hold backs why single out this kid.So many problems would be avoided if the teams were made on an age based system. US lacrosse is such an impotent ruling body it will never happen.

This girl gets some much attention on this thread and the YJ thread its unbelievable. I know her well and think she rocks, she plays the game the right way and I love that everyone is so jealous of her they can't stop talking about her. Want your daughter to be the #1 of her age group? Careful what you wish for cause everyone on here will start ripping her apart, nice job people.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Shes' not really playing up, she was held back a year to giver her an advantage. now its backfiring"

Seriously are you this much of a loser. There are several kids on the 2020 team who are so called hold backs why single out this kid.So many problems would be avoided if the teams were made on an age based system. US lacrosse is such an impotent ruling body it will never happen.

This girl gets some much attention on this thread and the YJ thread its unbelievable. I know her well and think she rocks, she plays the game the right way and I love that everyone is so jealous of her they can't stop talking about her. Want your daughter to be the #1 of her age group? Careful what you wish for cause everyone on here will start ripping her apart, nice job people.

Are you this much of a moron , that's why people have issues , when you make comments about being best in age group you invite comments back about her actual age group or the one in which she is older than everyone else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Shes' not really playing up, she was held back a year to giver her an advantage. now its backfiring"

Seriously are you this much of a loser. There are several kids on the 2020 team who are so called hold backs why single out this kid.So many problems would be avoided if the teams were made on an age based system. US lacrosse is such an impotent ruling body it will never happen.

This girl gets some much attention on this thread and the YJ thread its unbelievable. I know her well and think she rocks, she plays the game the right way and I love that everyone is so jealous of her they can't stop talking about her. Want your daughter to be the #1 of her age group? Careful what you wish for cause everyone on here will start ripping her apart, nice job people.

Are you this much of a moron , that's why people have issues , when you make comments about being best in age group you invite comments back about her actual age group or the one in which she is older than everyone else.

This now ends the discussion of this individual player. The conversation has gotten by far too personal and no further posts on the topic of this individual player will be permitted.

Next topic.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Shes' not really playing up, she was held back a year to giver her an advantage. now its backfiring"

Seriously are you this much of a loser. There are several kids on the 2020 team who are so called hold backs why single out this kid.So many problems would be avoided if the teams were made on an age based system. US lacrosse is such an impotent ruling body it will never happen.

This girl gets some much attention on this thread and the YJ thread its unbelievable. I know her well and think she rocks, she plays the game the right way and I love that everyone is so jealous of her they can't stop talking about her. Want your daughter to be the #1 of her age group? Careful what you wish for cause everyone on here will start ripping her apart, nice job people.

Are you this much of a moron , that's why people have issues , when you make comments about being best in age group you invite comments back about her actual age group or the one in which she is older than everyone else.

This now ends the discussion of this individual player. The conversation has gotten by far too personal and no further posts on the topic of this individual player will be permitted.

Next topic.

Thank you Sage!

Another great display of sportsmanship by our TG 2020 age group. Seems the players are learning from the coaches, too funny instead of coaches yelling at refs you now have 11 year old players yelling at coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another great display of sportsmanship by our TG 2020 age group. Seems the players are learning from the coaches, too funny instead of coaches yelling at refs you now have 11 year old players yelling at coaches.

What happened

Without getting too specific you have kids on that team imitating parents and coaches out of control behavior ,and please no more condoning it because you see it all the time.

Your out of touch, good drills and cost is resonable.

You either were not there or are wasted!

I was at the 2017's. Thought it was organized and good for all the players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Been to quite a few of these workshops and trainings, including DLT (boys and girls), the HUB, other Top Guns and the like. Have to not just disagree, but disagree vehemently. Not sure where you were or what you were watching, but I went in to see what was going on, thinking that SS was coaching only the better team. Pleasantly surprised to see the girls mixed and distinct, solid stations that rotated on a timed schedule. Virtually every kid got some kind of comment, whether a compliment or a constructive instruction. During the scrimmages, they were set up so that the subs were minimal, ensuring each girl received plenty of field time. No going to cage, but rather tight space passing and encouraged ball movement. I am NOT a TG cheerleader, rest assured, if I was unhappy, no problem in sharing. For anyone who participated in last year's workshops with SS and TG, last night was vastly improved and superior. For $17 a session, with that kind of attention, no downside. One sidenote, based on the comments so far, if you really feel your child is that superior, I share/paraphrase an oft-quoted coaching philosophy -- a good player plays well, a great player make other players play well. Have a good night.

Wow powerful stuff, vehemently disagree, lol. Try and do the math ,70 kids times 17 equals 1190, take away facility fee of 250 an hour and you get someone earning over 900 an hour to instruct lacrosse , that's reasonable. I guess you are one of those that believe all teams should be equal, no top team.

Did we join a non profit organization?

$100 was not excessive. I suspect you would not be happy, even if it was free!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Without getting too specific you have kids on that team imitating parents and coaches out of control behavior ,and please no more condoning it because you see it all the time.

I was there and I have no idea what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Without getting too specific you have kids on that team imitating parents and coaches out of control behavior ,and please no more condoning it because you see it all the time.

Treat this comment for the bull s... It is. Just a schmuck stirring the pot. Nice try.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Without getting too specific you have kids on that team imitating parents and coaches out of control behavior ,and please no more condoning it because you see it all the time.

Oh good lord!! Mind your own business and worry about yourself!! Stop stirring the pot for no reason!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Without getting too specific you have kids on that team imitating parents and coaches out of control behavior ,and please no more condoning it because you see it all the time.

obsessed stalker.

Go ahead come on here and deny there was any issue with one of the 2020 kids mouthing off to the coach during the game , back me into a corner to get more specific and it will be on you people who refuse to admit a problem when it is staring you in the face. I do not blame the kid and do not believe it appropriate to single the kid out because this is the behavior she has seen from her TG daddy coaches. I also believe her behavior was addressed by AS which was good to see.The point is when you condone poor behavior by the TG daddy coaches over and over what do you expect from the kids. It's not good enough anymore that it happens in every club excuse I believe we should expect more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go ahead come on here and deny there was any issue with one of the 2020 kids mouthing off to the coach during the game , back me into a corner to get more specific and it will be on you people who refuse to admit a problem when it is staring you in the face. I do not blame the kid and do not believe it appropriate to single the kid out because this is the behavior she has seen from her TG daddy coaches. I also believe her behavior was addressed by AS which was good to see.The point is when you condone poor behavior by the TG daddy coaches over and over what do you expect from the kids. It's not good enough anymore that it happens in every club excuse I believe we should expect more.

It sounds like you have a kid on the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go ahead come on here and deny there was any issue with one of the 2020 kids mouthing off to the coach during the game , back me into a corner to get more specific and it will be on you people who refuse to admit a problem when it is staring you in the face. I do not blame the kid and do not believe it appropriate to single the kid out because this is the behavior she has seen from her TG daddy coaches. I also believe her behavior was addressed by AS which was good to see.The point is when you condone poor behavior by the TG daddy coaches over and over what do you expect from the kids. It's not good enough anymore that it happens in every club excuse I believe we should expect more.

Dude really....find a new home man. Your found out!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go ahead come on here and deny there was any issue with one of the 2020 kids mouthing off to the coach during the game , back me into a corner to get more specific and it will be on you people who refuse to admit a problem when it is staring you in the face. I do not blame the kid and do not believe it appropriate to single the kid out because this is the behavior she has seen from her TG daddy coaches. I also believe her behavior was addressed by AS which was good to see.The point is when you condone poor behavior by the TG daddy coaches over and over what do you expect from the kids. It's not good enough anymore that it happens in every club excuse I believe we should expect more.

Go away...your act is tired and played out.

Its very disheartening reading the top gun forum. My daughter really enjoyed her self last year. Is this how you feel or your child feels about there team mates and how clinic and camps are run. Or how old someone is on the team and what the coach does or doesn't do. It makes it hard for me to think my child could learn anything but how not to act in this kind of environment. I hope some people can take a step back and see what they are saying and doing. I hope someone from top gun reads this and adjust the direction this group is heading. It is only going to get worse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its very disheartening reading the top gun forum. My daughter really enjoyed her self last year. Is this how you feel or your child feels about there team mates and how clinic and camps are run. Or how old someone is on the team and what the coach does or doesn't do. It makes it hard for me to think my child could learn anything but how not to act in this kind of environment. I hope some people can take a step back and see what they are saying and doing. I hope someone from top gun reads this and adjust the direction this group is heading. It is only going to get worse.

It is funny that you say that. When we were looking at teams for my daughter this year we had heard about this issue with the parents/coaches and had actually seen some of it first hand at a tournament last year. When we thought about having her tryout for TG she herself (an 11 year old) said she didnt want to go because of the feeling she got from them last year. They lost to one of the teams and beat the other team at their Hofstra tournament and my daughter said the parents were yelling at the kids when they were losing and that the kids themselves did not display "good sportmanship" when they were losing and when they lost. While we did see some of this as well it was overly apparent to an 11 year old girl - wheich really says it all. And you are right, it all starts at the top with the people running the program, the coaches and the parents. Learning the game is important - but what is more important is what you learn around the game (teamwork, sportsmanship, unity, etc.) and these are the values you will take with you way beyond your lacrosse career which will end at age 21. The lack of all these values are clearly displayed on this website everyday by TG parents - calling out kids and coaches and teammates and complaining about the program directors and clinics, etc. There are other clubs out there that teach far more than just lacrosse and I am glad that we have found one.

Unfortunately no matter where our children go whether it be school, any sport including lacrosse they are going to be exposed to all kinds of craziness. I use it as an opportunity to remind my child how they should not act.

This year my child was moved from a black team to a purple, she was initially upset which I realize was more about the friends she made than a color, I said to her work hard and have a better tryout next year. Thinking about it further I said work hard during the summer because she felt she had a good tryout and I being unsure said my thinking is that if you had such a good summer I doubt a 1 1/2 hour tryout would have made the change. She agreed and moved on.

Only to hear from another of her friends that also moved down to a white team that her parents complained to Bill Smith and this girl was suddenly moved to purple, as her parents insisted on her going. Now this was hard to explain to my child that yes inappropriate but life is full of politics and crazy people.

What the directors should realize in making these choices is that 13 year old girls will talk and make them look silly. The directors should not make choices based on crazy parents contacting them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its very disheartening reading the top gun forum. My daughter really enjoyed her self last year. Is this how you feel or your child feels about there team mates and how clinic and camps are run. Or how old someone is on the team and what the coach does or doesn't do. It makes it hard for me to think my child could learn anything but how not to act in this kind of environment. I hope some people can take a step back and see what they are saying and doing. I hope someone from top gun reads this and adjust the direction this group is heading. It is only going to get worse.

It is funny that you say that. When we were looking at teams for my daughter this year we had heard about this issue with the parents/coaches and had actually seen some of it first hand at a tournament last year. When we thought about having her tryout for TG she herself (an 11 year old) said she didnt want to go because of the feeling she got from them last year. They lost to one of the teams and beat the other team at their Hofstra tournament and my daughter said the parents were yelling at the kids when they were losing and that the kids themselves did not display "good sportmanship" when they were losing and when they lost. While we did see some of this as well it was overly apparent to an 11 year old girl - wheich really says it all. And you are right, it all starts at the top with the people running the program, the coaches and the parents. Learning the game is important - but what is more important is what you learn around the game (teamwork, sportsmanship, unity, etc.) and these are the values you will take with you way beyond your lacrosse career which will end at age 21. The lack of all these values are clearly displayed on this website everyday by TG parents - calling out kids and coaches and teammates and complaining about the program directors and clinics, etc. There are other clubs out there that teach far more than just lacrosse and I am glad that we have found one.

The same exact things are said about the YJ organization on this website...My daughter felt the exact way about never wanting to tryout for the YJ's after playing against them, and even playing with them, during some training sessions. Everyone has their own opinions, and none of them are 100% accurate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its very disheartening reading the top gun forum. My daughter really enjoyed her self last year. Is this how you feel or your child feels about there team mates and how clinic and camps are run. Or how old someone is on the team and what the coach does or doesn't do. It makes it hard for me to think my child could learn anything but how not to act in this kind of environment. I hope some people can take a step back and see what they are saying and doing. I hope someone from top gun reads this and adjust the direction this group is heading. It is only going to get worse.

It is funny that you say that. When we were looking at teams for my daughter this year we had heard about this issue with the parents/coaches and had actually seen some of it first hand at a tournament last year. When we thought about having her tryout for TG she herself (an 11 year old) said she didnt want to go because of the feeling she got from them last year. They lost to one of the teams and beat the other team at their Hofstra tournament and my daughter said the parents were yelling at the kids when they were losing and that the kids themselves did not display "good sportmanship" when they were losing and when they lost. While we did see some of this as well it was overly apparent to an 11 year old girl - wheich really says it all. And you are right, it all starts at the top with the people running the program, the coaches and the parents. Learning the game is important - but what is more important is what you learn around the game (teamwork, sportsmanship, unity, etc.) and these are the values you will take with you way beyond your lacrosse career which will end at age 21. The lack of all these values are clearly displayed on this website everyday by TG parents - calling out kids and coaches and teammates and complaining about the program directors and clinics, etc. There are other clubs out there that teach far more than just lacrosse and I am glad that we have found one.

We are glad too! Have a nice time.

It only takes a few apples to spoil the whole bunch. From what I have seen so far, nothing but good to say about the Smith's. If there is a problem with Ind. coaches, let them know and if nothing is done over time then you have a gripe.

We all have choices in life. I am sure the other team you went to is perfect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately no matter where our children go whether it be school, any sport including lacrosse they are going to be exposed to all kinds of craziness. I use it as an opportunity to remind my child how they should not act.

This year my child was moved from a black team to a purple, she was initially upset which I realize was more about the friends she made than a color, I said to her work hard and have a better tryout next year. Thinking about it further I said work hard during the summer because she felt she had a good tryout and I being unsure said my thinking is that if you had such a good summer I doubt a 1 1/2 hour tryout would have made the change. She agreed and moved on.

Only to hear from another of her friends that also moved down to a white team that her parents complained to Bill Smith and this girl was suddenly moved to purple, as her parents insisted on her going. Now this was hard to explain to my child that yes inappropriate but life is full of politics and crazy people.

What the directors should realize in making these choices is that 13 year old girls will talk and make them look silly. The directors should not make choices based on crazy parents contacting them.

Talk to your child again. The lesson to be learned here is the squeaky wheel gets the oil. This is true in lacrosse, the job, the school. Most situations. So become squeaky or learn to live with unfairness.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its very disheartening reading the top gun forum. My daughter really enjoyed her self last year. Is this how you feel or your child feels about there team mates and how clinic and camps are run. Or how old someone is on the team and what the coach does or doesn't do. It makes it hard for me to think my child could learn anything but how not to act in this kind of environment. I hope some people can take a step back and see what they are saying and doing. I hope someone from top gun reads this and adjust the direction this group is heading. It is only going to get worse.

It is funny that you say that. When we were looking at teams for my daughter this year we had heard about this issue with the parents/coaches and had actually seen some of it first hand at a tournament last year. When we thought about having her tryout for TG she herself (an 11 year old) said she didnt want to go because of the feeling she got from them last year. They lost to one of the teams and beat the other team at their Hofstra tournament and my daughter said the parents were yelling at the kids when they were losing and that the kids themselves did not display "good sportmanship" when they were losing and when they lost. While we did see some of this as well it was overly apparent to an 11 year old girl - wheich really says it all. And you are right, it all starts at the top with the people running the program, the coaches and the parents. Learning the game is important - but what is more important is what you learn around the game (teamwork, sportsmanship, unity, etc.) and these are the values you will take with you way beyond your lacrosse career which will end at age 21. The lack of all these values are clearly displayed on this website everyday by TG parents - calling out kids and coaches and teammates and complaining about the program directors and clinics, etc. There are other clubs out there that teach far more than just lacrosse and I am glad that we have found one.

The same exact things are said about the YJ organization on this website...My daughter felt the exact way about never wanting to tryout for the YJ's after playing against them, and even playing with them, during some training sessions. Everyone has their own opinions, and none of them are 100% accurate.

Amen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its very disheartening reading the top gun forum. My daughter really enjoyed her self last year. Is this how you feel or your child feels about there team mates and how clinic and camps are run. Or how old someone is on the team and what the coach does or doesn't do. It makes it hard for me to think my child could learn anything but how not to act in this kind of environment. I hope some people can take a step back and see what they are saying and doing. I hope someone from top gun reads this and adjust the direction this group is heading. It is only going to get worse.

It is funny that you say that. When we were looking at teams for my daughter this year we had heard about this issue with the parents/coaches and had actually seen some of it first hand at a tournament last year. When we thought about having her tryout for TG she herself (an 11 year old) said she didnt want to go because of the feeling she got from them last year. They lost to one of the teams and beat the other team at their Hofstra tournament and my daughter said the parents were yelling at the kids when they were losing and that the kids themselves did not display "good sportmanship" when they were losing and when they lost. While we did see some of this as well it was overly apparent to an 11 year old girl - wheich really says it all. And you are right, it all starts at the top with the people running the program, the coaches and the parents. Learning the game is important - but what is more important is what you learn around the game (teamwork, sportsmanship, unity, etc.) and these are the values you will take with you way beyond your lacrosse career which will end at age 21. The lack of all these values are clearly displayed on this website everyday by TG parents - calling out kids and coaches and teammates and complaining about the program directors and clinics, etc. There are other clubs out there that teach far more than just lacrosse and I am glad that we have found one.

How do you know TG parents are making the ANONYMOUS posts? Surely there are many non TG folks stirring the pot. Go on the other clubs threads and the comments are equally ridiculous at times. With that said you may want to reconsider forming opinions on who is making anonymous posts.

there you go trying to direct someone's opinion. not my team, not my daughter, my point was; how about trying using positive reinforcement. instead of tearing down all the time and pointing out the negatives try something new. pass a compliment along.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is funny that you say that. When we were looking at teams for my daughter this year we had heard about this issue with the parents/coaches and had actually seen some of it first hand at a tournament last year. When we thought about having her tryout for TG she herself (an 11 year old) said she didnt want to go because of the feeling she got from them last year. They lost to one of the teams and beat the other team at their Hofstra tournament and my daughter said the parents were yelling at the kids when they were losing and that the kids themselves did not display "good sportmanship" when they were losing and when they lost. While we did see some of this as well it was overly apparent to an 11 year old girl - wheich really says it all. And you are right, it all starts at the top with the people running the program, the coaches and the parents. Learning the game is important - but what is more important is what you learn around the game (teamwork, sportsmanship, unity, etc.) and these are the values you will take with you way beyond your lacrosse career which will end at age 21. The lack of all these values are clearly displayed on this website everyday by TG parents - calling out kids and coaches and teammates and complaining about the program directors and clinics, etc. There are other clubs out there that teach far more than just lacrosse and I am glad that we have found one.

As a TG parent, I am sorry you and your daughter had such a negative experience with the organization. Unfortunately, being a "good sport" can be challenging for us all and is often dependent on the circumstances.

For example, lets assume your team takes a comfortable 8-2 lead, relaxes and gives its opponent an opportunity to pull out a last minute victory. I will guarantee that the players from the losing team will have difficulty being gracious in the post-game handshake. Their parents, in turn, are likely to be disgusted by the deterioration of their daughters' level of play.

In the ideal world, players and parents alike would take a step back and congratulate the opponent for their effort / resilience. In the real world, emotions tend to dictate behavior, which can sometimes get ugly, especially if its the players/parents first experience in "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory."

Learning "how to lose gracefully" is not easy.

I guarantee that whatever club you have chosen, there will be parents whose actions make you roll your eyes. While far from perfect, our TG experience has been overwhelmingly positive for both daughter and parent alike. I hope your experience with your new club is just as good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its very disheartening reading the top gun forum. My daughter really enjoyed her self last year. Is this how you feel or your child feels about there team mates and how clinic and camps are run. Or how old someone is on the team and what the coach does or doesn't do. It makes it hard for me to think my child could learn anything but how not to act in this kind of environment. I hope some people can take a step back and see what they are saying and doing. I hope someone from top gun reads this and adjust the direction this group is heading. It is only going to get worse.

It is funny that you say that. When we were looking at teams for my daughter this year we had heard about this issue with the parents/coaches and had actually seen some of it first hand at a tournament last year. When we thought about having her tryout for TG she herself (an 11 year old) said she didnt want to go because of the feeling she got from them last year. They lost to one of the teams and beat the other team at their Hofstra tournament and my daughter said the parents were yelling at the kids when they were losing and that the kids themselves did not display "good sportmanship" when they were losing and when they lost. While we did see some of this as well it was overly apparent to an 11 year old girl - wheich really says it all. And you are right, it all starts at the top with the people running the program, the coaches and the parents. Learning the game is important - but what is more important is what you learn around the game (teamwork, sportsmanship, unity, etc.) and these are the values you will take with you way beyond your lacrosse career which will end at age 21. The lack of all these values are clearly displayed on this website everyday by TG parents - calling out kids and coaches and teammates and complaining about the program directors and clinics, etc. There are other clubs out there that teach far more than just lacrosse and I am glad that we have found one.

How do you know TG parents are making the ANONYMOUS posts? Surely there are many non TG folks stirring the pot. Go on the other clubs threads and the comments are equally ridiculous at times. With that said you may want to reconsider forming opinions on who is making anonymous posts.

Exactly...great point. For someone to use anonymous posts to form their opinion on ANY club program is ridiculous...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

there you go trying to direct someone's opinion. not my team, not my daughter, my point was; how about trying using positive reinforcement. instead of tearing down all the time and pointing out the negatives try something new. pass a compliment along.

A sentiment that should be shared on ALL the clubs threads.
I think the folks here are hitting you back because it appears you are saying this behavior is exclusive to a few TG parents and posters. ITS NOT. By the way I love your posts and they are quite eloquent. HOWS THAT FOR POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT. Your welcome.

that's funny, I don't see anyone putting there name next to there opinions or thoughts including you. if you stand on the sidelines and just listen you will hear the same thing there being said on the here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

that's funny, I don't see anyone putting there name next to there opinions or thoughts including you. if you stand on the sidelines and just listen you will hear the same thing there being said on the here.

Well my post was complimentary to you as you requested and still you perpetuate the negativity. Listen to your own advice and be positive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

there you go trying to direct someone's opinion. not my team, not my daughter, my point was; how about trying using positive reinforcement. instead of tearing down all the time and pointing out the negatives try something new. pass a compliment along.

A sentiment that should be shared on ALL the clubs threads.
I think the folks here are hitting you back because it appears you are saying this behavior is exclusive to a few TG parents and posters. ITS NOT. By the way I love your posts and they are quite eloquent. HOWS THAT FOR POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT. Your welcome.

YJs have been long known as having the most arrogant and obnoxious parents. When TG first came out it was refreshing to escape that, but it didn't last long as many TG parents are just as arrogant and obnoxious now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure if 2 2021's on the YJ 2020 team should really be considered a mixed age team......and not all YJ's parents felt good about the lopsided scores.

there were 4 2021 players, my daughter was one of them. I thought the coach did a great job balancing playing time. All of the guest 2021 players were treated great and played plenty in every game. The players and parents could not have been more welcoming to us as guests on their team. I have seen nothing but class from CR and YJ in my first year with the program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

there were 4 2021 players, my daughter was one of them. I thought the coach did a great job balancing playing time. All of the guest 2021 players were treated great and played plenty in every game. The players and parents could not have been more welcoming to us as guests on their team. I have seen nothing but class from CR and YJ in my first year with the program.

??????????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is funny that you say that. When we were looking at teams for my daughter this year we had heard about this issue with the parents/coaches and had actually seen some of it first hand at a tournament last year. When we thought about having her tryout for TG she herself (an 11 year old) said she didnt want to go because of the feeling she got from them last year. They lost to one of the teams and beat the other team at their Hofstra tournament and my daughter said the parents were yelling at the kids when they were losing and that the kids themselves did not display "good sportmanship" when they were losing and when they lost. While we did see some of this as well it was overly apparent to an 11 year old girl - wheich really says it all. And you are right, it all starts at the top with the people running the program, the coaches and the parents. Learning the game is important - but what is more important is what you learn around the game (teamwork, sportsmanship, unity, etc.) and these are the values you will take with you way beyond your lacrosse career which will end at age 21. The lack of all these values are clearly displayed on this website everyday by TG parents - calling out kids and coaches and teammates and complaining about the program directors and clinics, etc. There are other clubs out there that teach far more than just lacrosse and I am glad that we have found one.

As a TG parent, I am sorry you and your daughter had such a negative experience with the organization. Unfortunately, being a "good sport" can be challenging for us all and is often dependent on the circumstances.

For example, lets assume your team takes a comfortable 8-2 lead, relaxes and gives its opponent an opportunity to pull out a last minute victory. I will guarantee that the players from the losing team will have difficulty being gracious in the post-game handshake. Their parents, in turn, are likely to be disgusted by the deterioration of their daughters' level of play.

In the ideal world, players and parents alike would take a step back and congratulate the opponent for their effort / resilience. In the real world, emotions tend to dictate behavior, which can sometimes get ugly, especially if its the players/parents first experience in "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory."

Learning "how to lose gracefully" is not easy.

I guarantee that whatever club you have chosen, there will be parents whose actions make you roll your eyes. While far from perfect, our TG experience has been overwhelmingly positive for both daughter and parent alike. I hope your experience with your new club is just as good.

I am most sorry to hear that it is "challenging" for your 11 year old daughter and for you as a parent setting an example for your 11 year old daughter - to be a "good sport". As great as that challenge may be for you and the TG girls and parents - it may be something you should focus on overcoming regardless of the score of the game. People will learn more about YOU and YOUR child when they see how you act and behave when you you lose or are losing than how you act when you are winning and this will hold true for their entire life. Just a thought.

I grew up on Long Island in a town that lived and breathed Lacrosse and I began playing at a very early age. I played year round, every chance I could. Fall ball �out east�, winters indoors with the PAL and Box Lacrosse in Nassau, summer camps upstate and Maryland, Empire Games (Go Long Island), weekend pickup games at the high school and the handball courts, which in my town never saw a game of handball because the LAX players commandeered them. The list goes on and on�
I toted my stick with me everywhere I went as if it was an extension of my hands. The walls of my bedroom were filled with lacrosse posters of the greats of my time and covering my door was, what other than, the infamous Air Gait image that cost most every attackman of my generation to be reprimanded by Coach, at least once, for attempting to replicate. Some of my greatest childhood memories and greatest friends were and are a direct result of my love for the sport.
So, where am I going with this you ask? Back then Lacrosse wasn�t just a sport it was a culture, much as it is today. But, I believe it was a different culture. I believe it was a community, an extended family of sorts. I loved the sport because I enjoyed the competition, win or lose. I valued the comradery I shared with other players and enthusiasts, regardless of what town they came from, team they played for, or what club they belonged to. Did we have rivals? Yes, of course we did. That is what makes the game exciting and what makes us strive to play better. The difference was that we respected the competition and when the game was over we genuinely shook hands and more times than not, shared a wall, a pickup game, or a summer camp within the weeks to come. Lacrosse was a community of ladies and gentleman. A community built on mutual respect and a shared passion for the game. It was a community I was proud to be a part of.
Now, years after I�ve hung up my college jersey, my children are into LAX with a passion much akin to mine. Although the game hasn�t changed, the community has and it is heartbreaking to see a something I once loved in the state it is in today. Name calling, finger pointing, club / team bashing, snide and underhanded remarks� AND about children and youth programs! For the adults who feel the need to post negative comments about groups of children should be ashamed of yourselves! You are destroying the community I once loved and I urge you to take the high road so our children can enjoy the game without the drama and love LAX for what it is.
As I am almost certain that someone will have something negative to say in response to my post, I will advise you in advance that I will not retort, as this will be the last time I visit BOTC.

I completely agree and can identify with you. So nice to read your post

Shannon is good coach.. goes down hill after shannon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shannon is good coach.. goes down hill after shannon.

This poster needs to refer to the above post on the state of our game and the maturity of today's adults.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shannon is good coach.. goes down hill after shannon.

Get a life. Loser.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shannon is good coach.. goes down hill after shannon.

Get a life. Loser.

Don't stoop so low as to make yourself seem immature in your responses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shannon is good coach.. goes down hill after shannon.

You obviously just showed everyone that you don't know what you're talking about, so just enjoy lacrosse, and keep quiet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I grew up on Long Island in a town that lived and breathed Lacrosse and I began playing at a very early age. I played year round, every chance I could. Fall ball �out east�, winters indoors with the PAL and Box Lacrosse in Nassau, summer camps upstate and Maryland, Empire Games (Go Long Island), weekend pickup games at the high school and the handball courts, which in my town never saw a game of handball because the LAX players commandeered them. The list goes on and on�
I toted my stick with me everywhere I went as if it was an extension of my hands. The walls of my bedroom were filled with lacrosse posters of the greats of my time and covering my door was, what other than, the infamous Air Gait image that cost most every attackman of my generation to be reprimanded by Coach, at least once, for attempting to replicate. Some of my greatest childhood memories and greatest friends were and are a direct result of my love for the sport.
So, where am I going with this you ask? Back then Lacrosse wasn�t just a sport it was a culture, much as it is today. But, I believe it was a different culture. I believe it was a community, an extended family of sorts. I loved the sport because I enjoyed the competition, win or lose. I valued the comradery I shared with other players and enthusiasts, regardless of what town they came from, team they played for, or what club they belonged to. Did we have rivals? Yes, of course we did. That is what makes the game exciting and what makes us strive to play better. The difference was that we respected the competition and when the game was over we genuinely shook hands and more times than not, shared a wall, a pickup game, or a summer camp within the weeks to come. Lacrosse was a community of ladies and gentleman. A community built on mutual respect and a shared passion for the game. It was a community I was proud to be a part of.
Now, years after I�ve hung up my college jersey, my children are into LAX with a passion much akin to mine. Although the game hasn�t changed, the community has and it is heartbreaking to see a something I once loved in the state it is in today. Name calling, finger pointing, club / team bashing, snide and underhanded remarks� AND about children and youth programs! For the adults who feel the need to post negative comments about groups of children should be ashamed of yourselves! You are destroying the community I once loved and I urge you to take the high road so our children can enjoy the game without the drama and love LAX for what it is.
As I am almost certain that someone will have something negative to say in response to my post, I will advise you in advance that I will not retort, as this will be the last time I visit BOTC.
GREAT POST AGREE COMPLETELY

Come on now... you dont think boy smith and bs are good coaces. Lol

Yj have man rose ....tg have man smith and boy wonder

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Come on now... you dont think boy smith and bs are good coaces. Lol

you are right, they aren't good coaces, but they are not bad COACHES

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yj have man rose ....tg have man smith and boy wonder

Don't stoop so low as to make yourself seem immature in your responses.

Might be old news because I haven't checked in a while, but the 2014 rosters are posted now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Might be old news because I haven't checked in a while, but the 2014 rosters are posted now.

Just in case, Obama was re-elected

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Might be old news because I haven't checked in a while, but the 2014 rosters are posted now.

Just in case, Obama was re-elected

Some people just can't be nice

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Might be old news because I haven't checked in a while, but the 2014 rosters are posted now.

Just in case, Obama was re-elected

Don't stoop so low as to make yourself seem immature in your responses.

When are we going to see the 12 days of Christmas parody like last year?

I agree my daughter has been with the team for a few years and BS told us he wanted the purple team to be as good as the black team and we were almost there but not quite. The Top Gun family is honest , sincere and loyal and if the kids and parents give the same effort your kids will get an honest look from the recruiters and100% endorsment from the Smiths which carries a lot of weight believe me when they call on your kids behalf the college coaches listen. I cannot thank them enough for there effort in my daughters recruitment process and fair assessment of her talent. You cannot go wrong with this program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree my daughter has been with the team for a few years and BS told us he wanted the purple team to be as good as the black team and we were almost there but not quite. The Top Gun family is honest , sincere and loyal and if the kids and parents give the same effort your kids will get an honest look from the recruiters and100% endorsment from the Smiths which carries a lot of weight believe me when they call on your kids behalf the college coaches listen. I cannot thank them enough for there effort in my daughters recruitment process and fair assessment of her talent. You cannot go wrong with this program.

That's great to hear, as a parent of a player on purple. This is our 2nd year with TG, and it's been great for us, so far. What's your daughter's graduating year, and has she decided on a college yet?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree my daughter has been with the team for a few years and BS told us he wanted the purple team to be as good as the black team and we were almost there but not quite. The Top Gun family is honest , sincere and loyal and if the kids and parents give the same effort your kids will get an honest look from the recruiters and100% endorsment from the Smiths which carries a lot of weight believe me when they call on your kids behalf the college coaches listen. I cannot thank them enough for there effort in my daughters recruitment process and fair assessment of her talent. You cannot go wrong with this program.

We had a positive experience with the program as well. The Smith family and the TG coaches were fair and honest w/ us. We joined them late. Looking back, we should have switched over a little earlier but everything worked out well for us and we have no regrets. Good luck to you, whatever your choice, there are plenty of quality clubs for you to choose from!

I could not have said it any better. As a late comer to TG and parent of a Purple player. Smiths delivered all that was promised. My daughter Could not have had a better experience.

This is all good to hear. My daughter is new to TGs this year as a 2021 player. The winter training so far has been done the right way and I have no complaints with the coaches or the training and my daughter has been enjoying it and making new friends. I'm hopeful for the spring/summer season and that she enjoys her time and keeps developing as a player.

Did they take all the 2021's that went to tryouts this year? Just asking because many programs seem to seldom cut at this age since these players have only begun to develop.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did they take all the 2021's that went to tryouts this year? Just asking because many programs seem to seldom cut at this age since these players have only begun to develop.

The rosters are posted... take a look

No they did not. There are only 2 teams of 24 girls. There were more than that at the tryout in August.

She is on the 2015 purple and is committed to a Division 1 program. Remember its a group effort and it takes a lot of work on everyones part and the Smiths were great in every aspect. When they give the recruiting seminar I would make sure that you and your daughter attend and follow what they say. It makes all that traveling worthwile when the time comes and the recruiters are lining up on the sidelines to watch the Top Guns play. Stay committed to the program so it continues to develop and the Top Guns name is on everyones mind and it will be more than you expected.

So the club is getting new uniforms for all teams this year. Anyone know details, is this just the same pinny with the proper size numbers so they don't have to play with paper plates and magic marker taped to them. Hope it is a quality uniform, players names would be nice. It is a team sport but lets be honest, everyone is ultimately here to get noticed individually by college coaches. Most all the YJ teams have names but not all, wonder why? Anything is an improvement over the current situation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

She is on the 2015 purple and is committed to a Division 1 program. Remember its a group effort and it takes a lot of work on everyones part and the Smiths were great in every aspect. When they give the recruiting seminar I would make sure that you and your daughter attend and follow what they say. It makes all that traveling worthwile when the time comes and the recruiters are lining up on the sidelines to watch the Top Guns play. Stay committed to the program so it continues to develop and the Top Guns name is on everyones mind and it will be more than you expected.

Thanks for the advice. We're doing everything they suggested at the recruiting meeting, and looking forward to the process, going forward. It's great to hear that your daughter is also on a purple team, and going D1. People talk about how the black teams will get all the attention, and all the coaches watching. We're trying to target realistic, lower level D1 teams, and hoping to get to camps and clinics, at those schools. This way, we don't have to rely solely on her getting seen at the tournaments. Did you approach it this way, or was most of your activity and success a result of the TG tournaments?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

She is on the 2015 purple and is committed to a Division 1 program. Remember its a group effort and it takes a lot of work on everyones part and the Smiths were great in every aspect. When they give the recruiting seminar I would make sure that you and your daughter attend and follow what they say. It makes all that traveling worthwile when the time comes and the recruiters are lining up on the sidelines to watch the Top Guns play. Stay committed to the program so it continues to develop and the Top Guns name is on everyones mind and it will be more than you expected.

Thanks for the advice. We're doing everything they suggested at the recruiting meeting, and looking forward to the process, going forward. It's great to hear that your daughter is also on a purple team, and going D1. People talk about how the black teams will get all the attention, and all the coaches watching. We're trying to target realistic, lower level D1 teams, and hoping to get to camps and clinics, at those schools. This way, we don't have to rely solely on her getting seen at the tournaments. Did you approach it this way, or was most of your activity and success a result of the TG tournaments?

I would say the best way to approach getting seen may depend on each individual player. Some athletes will look great at camps and clinics and even tryouts, but then completely disappear once the whistle blows, they would do better to display their skills during camps and clinics. Others disappear during such skill drills and combine stuff only to jump off the page during games, they would obviously best be viewed in a team game setting. One of the things these clubs shove down our throats is that all opportunities go through them, nonsense.

The tournaments is where my daughter got her exposure. While at the tournaments take time to visit the colleges in the area to get a feel for her interests and the surrounding areas to see if it fits. Its the last thing the kids want to do after playing in the heat but it needs to be done its all part of the process. You will recieve a ton of clinics in emails and if your daughter is interested in that school it pays to go and play her tail off. We did one at a Division II program and it went well. The Black teams do garner a lot of attention but you will be surprised by the attention the purple teams get. Dont get discouraged and like one parent explained to me at the very least you know exactly where your daughter is for 6 weekends in the summer and that is priceless.

I have been reading some of these posts and I like what I'm reading. My daughter a 2015 has committed as well. I believe it's because she is a team player and she jelled with her team mates and built trust on the field. She was a constant player and someone the coach and team-mates could rely on. It didn't matter who scored as long as the ball went in. Good luck to all who are still looking and my wish to all is that all the kids find the school there looking for.

Did anyone go to the stick skill session that SS ran a couple of weeks ago? Just curious how the sessions were in case they run a similar program again. Thanks for the feedback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone go to the stick skill session that SS ran a couple of weeks ago? Just curious how the sessions were in case they run a similar program again. Thanks for the feedback.

Not a big group but anytime you get personal attention from Shannon Smith its a positive. I know my girls enjoyed it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone go to the stick skill session that SS ran a couple of weeks ago? Just curious how the sessions were in case they run a similar program again. Thanks for the feedback.

My daughter was in the older group and she really liked it. Lots if good stick skill drills and not tons of girls (although it was close to Christmas as we've been to several other clinics that were more crowded).

Does anyone know what happened with the UCONN woman's lax team?

This was on LAX POWER
Former UConn Lacrosse Goalie Killed 12/27 in Vehicle Accident
Brittney Testa, 24, of Bridgewater, Vt. died Friday morning in a single-vehicle accident in Willington, Ct. She apparently lost control of her Jeep Cherokee, which rolled over.

Testa was a member of the University of Connecticut's lacrosse class of 2013. She played goalie for the Huskies, starting every game in both her sophomore and junior years. Testa played high school lacrosse at Kimball Union Academy.

Thank you for the info!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone go to the stick skill session that SS ran a couple of weeks ago? Just curious how the sessions were in case they run a similar program again. Thanks for the feedback.

My daughter was in the older group and she really liked it. Lots if good stick skill drills and not tons of girls (although it was close to Christmas as we've been to several other clinics that were more crowded).

My daughters friend went and she said it was very boring. She said it was advertised as stick skills and shooting and they did almost no shooting. She said the place they played in (or at least the space they were given was tiny). She said it was no more than having a catch with another kid and every now and then they would show you how to do a trick. Her mom was shocked that they would even have the nerve to charge for that type of session. Sounds like they did it as they are new to TG and wanted to be part of the programs SS is running but she was amazed at the lack of quality of what was put on. She only told me as I told her I was considering sending my daughter to the HS clinic SS is running in January and she said if it is anything like what they went to we should save our $$$'s. Sounds like it was an quick way for SS to pick up a few easy $$'s but she should be careful about diluting her brand too quickly.

Just wanted to ask if anyone knows, why would Top Guns put teams into tournaments like National Draw when on the same dates in Va. There is a recruiting tournament sponsered by IWLCA that has a large amount of college coaches attending and no coaches go to National Draw? At least the teams in recruiting years should be attending this, isn't it about getting recruited?

Probably feel that multiple 7 hr trips is an issue with some people. I personally agree and feel that my daughter got plenty of exposure in the other 7 tournaments she played in last year with tg . Unless your daughter is a bonafide top recruit relying on tournament exposure only may be a mistake. If your daughter has good grades,a love for the game and some talent, missing 1 IWLCA event will not hurt. Good luck and happy new year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone go to the stick skill session that SS ran a couple of weeks ago? Just curious how the sessions were in case they run a similar program again. Thanks for the feedback.

My daughter was in the older group and she really liked it. Lots if good stick skill drills and not tons of girls (although it was close to Christmas as we've been to several other clinics that were more crowded).

My daughters friend went and she said it was very boring. She said it was advertised as stick skills and shooting and they did almost no shooting. She said the place they played in (or at least the space they were given was tiny). She said it was no more than having a catch with another kid and every now and then they would show you how to do a trick. Her mom was shocked that they would even have the nerve to charge for that type of session. Sounds like they did it as they are new to TG and wanted to be part of the programs SS is running but she was amazed at the lack of quality of what was put on. She only told me as I told her I was considering sending my daughter to the HS clinic SS is running in January and she said if it is anything like what they went to we should save our $$$'s. Sounds like it was an quick way for SS to pick up a few easy $$'s but she should be careful about diluting her brand too quickly.

Yeah, I heard the same and was a little disappointed since I was thinking about sending my daughter to the next clinic she was running at Hofstra but now I am reconsidering spending money on it. Thanks for the honest feedback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughters friend went and she said it was very boring. She said it was advertised as stick skills and shooting and they did almost no shooting. She said the place they played in (or at least the space they were given was tiny). She said it was no more than having a catch with another kid and every now and then they would show you how to do a trick. Her mom was shocked that they would even have the nerve to charge for that type of session. Sounds like they did it as they are new to TG and wanted to be part of the programs SS is running but she was amazed at the lack of quality of what was put on. She only told me as I told her I was considering sending my daughter to the HS clinic SS is running in January and she said if it is anything like what they went to we should save our $$$'s. Sounds like it was an quick way for SS to pick up a few easy $$'s but she should be careful about diluting her brand too quickly.

Yeah, I heard the same and was a little disappointed since I was thinking about sending my daughter to the next clinic she was running at Hofstra but now I am reconsidering spending money on it. Thanks for the honest feedback.

BOTC gretaly questions this honest feedback. The poster reporting on the daughter's friend decided against Top Guns this season and posted the following on December 4th:

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is funny that you say that. When we were looking at teams for my daughter this year we had heard about this issue with the parents/coaches and had actually seen some of it first hand at a tournament last year. When we thought about having her tryout for TG she herself (an 11 year old) said she didnt want to go because of the feeling she got from them last year. They lost to one of the teams and beat the other team at their Hofstra tournament and my daughter said the parents were yelling at the kids when they were losing and that the kids themselves did not display "good sportmanship" when they were losing and when they lost. While we did see some of this as well it was overly apparent to an 11 year old girl - wheich really says it all. And you are right, it all starts at the top with the people running the program, the coaches and the parents. Learning the game is important - but what is more important is what you learn around the game (teamwork, sportsmanship, unity, etc.) and these are the values you will take with you way beyond your lacrosse career which will end at age 21. The lack of all these values are clearly displayed on this website everyday by TG parents - calling out kids and coaches and teammates and complaining about the program directors and clinics, etc. There are other clubs out there that teach far more than just lacrosse and I am glad that we have found one.

Now, while one wants to question a lack of values, BOTC questions why a parent who passed on the Top Guns wants to file a report about a Youth Camp attended by the "daughter's friend". Serious, growth a pair of lacrosse balls and come out from behind your shadows. You want bad-mouth the Top Guns program, fine - but have the guts to sign your name.

Just as a point of order, did it ever dawn on you that the negative posts were not coming from the Top Guns parents? Trust us, we have done the footwork on this one. Think about it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah, I heard the same and was a little disappointed since I was thinking about sending my daughter to the next clinic she was running at Hofstra but now I am reconsidering spending money on it. Thanks for the honest feedback.

Friend, why not attend the next Lacrosse-By-3 clinic on January 11th - it is only $100.00 for the full session. If you are dissatisfied, you can personally take that issue up with us and we will air your concerns.

Amazing Cage you are no longer even attempting to hide your bias for TG.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Amazing Cage you are no longer even attempting to hide your bias for TG.

No bias so nothing to hide. When a program offers solid training at a value price point, BOTC not only wants the program on our web site, but we want to be sure that the community can avail themselves of the opportunity. We have done similar pieces for several other specific programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just wanted to ask if anyone knows, why would Top Guns put teams into tournaments like National Draw when on the same dates in Va. There is a recruiting tournament sponsered by IWLCA that has a large amount of college coaches attending and no coaches go to National Draw? At least the teams in recruiting years should be attending this, isn't it about getting recruited?

Good questions, but why don't you ask Bill?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Amazing Cage you are no longer even attempting to hide your bias for TG.

I know, its so pathetic. Talk about a conflict of interest. BOTC taking money from TG and SS so how dare they let somebody post something about a clinic that was not good. Imagine that???? It is sad when the people moderating a forum can not even hide how biased they are. No wonder nobody wants to put there name next to posts even when they are accurate like this one about how weak the TG clinic was. Or maybe they will just edit this post or not post it at all.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah, I heard the same and was a little disappointed since I was thinking about sending my daughter to the next clinic she was running at Hofstra but now I am reconsidering spending money on it. Thanks for the honest feedback.

Friend, why not attend the next Lacrosse-By-3 clinic on January 11th - it is only $100.00 for the full session. If you are dissatisfied, you can personally take that issue up with us and we will air your concerns.

So you will air this persons concerns as long as they give TG the $100? What a brilliant moderator you are.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Amazing Cage you are no longer even attempting to hide your bias for TG.

No bias so nothing to hide. When a program offers solid training at a value price point, BOTC not only wants the program on our web site, but we want to be sure that the community can avail themselves of the opportunity. We have done similar pieces for several other specific programs.

If you are really looking to add some value and not just give your opinions to support your advertisers, why dont you be a little creative. For example, if you want feedback on a clinic, provide the people running the clinic with a code that only people that pay and attend can have and then run a survey about a clinic or program and only those with the code can respond without providing their name. Then BOTC can provide the results to the people running the program and online as well. That is far more valuable then you sitting there supporting a poor product when YOU have no knowledge of what went on at a given event. People would appreciate that far more than what you are saying now. Then you may actually have facts to support your biased views.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Amazing Cage you are no longer even attempting to hide your bias for TG.

No bias so nothing to hide. When a program offers solid training at a value price point, BOTC not only wants the program on our web site, but we want to be sure that the community can avail themselves of the opportunity. We have done similar pieces for several other specific programs.

If you are really looking to add some value and not just give your opinions to support your advertisers, why dont you be a little creative. For example, if you want feedback on a clinic, provide the people running the clinic with a code that only people that pay and attend can have and then run a survey about a clinic or program and only those with the code can respond without providing their name. Then BOTC can provide the results to the people running the program and online as well. That is far more valuable then you sitting there supporting a poor product when YOU have no knowledge of what went on at a given event. People would appreciate that far more than what you are saying now. Then you may actually have facts to support your biased views.

BOTC already has a feedback process in place with our advertisers. Sorry that you are not "in the know" on how the process works. If you go through many of our threads on the boards, you will see the changes in tournaments, camps, and clinics based on that feedback process.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah, I heard the same and was a little disappointed since I was thinking about sending my daughter to the next clinic she was running at Hofstra but now I am reconsidering spending money on it. Thanks for the honest feedback.

Friend, why not attend the next Lacrosse-By-3 clinic on January 11th - it is only $100.00 for the full session. If you are dissatisfied, you can personally take that issue up with us and we will air your concerns.

So you will air this persons concerns as long as they give TG the $100? What a brilliant moderator you are.

Again, a little reading comprehension goes a long way. BOTC was recommending that the poster that was seeking feedback on the clinic attend the event rather than simply listening to one anti-Top Guns reviewer. The market ultimately decides value for money; such is the case here.

BOTC airs any comments made by registered posters and those from anonymous posters when there is value to the post, a differing opinion grounded in some level of intelligent discourse, or other situations in line with our Board Rules.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Amazing Cage you are no longer even attempting to hide your bias for TG.

No bias so nothing to hide. When a program offers solid training at a value price point, BOTC not only wants the program on our web site, but we want to be sure that the community can avail themselves of the opportunity. We have done similar pieces for several other specific programs.

If you are really looking to add some value and not just give your opinions to support your advertisers, why dont you be a little creative. For example, if you want feedback on a clinic, provide the people running the clinic with a code that only people that pay and attend can have and then run a survey about a clinic or program and only those with the code can respond without providing their name. Then BOTC can provide the results to the people running the program and online as well. That is far more valuable then you sitting there supporting a poor product when YOU have no knowledge of what went on at a given event. People would appreciate that far more than what you are saying now. Then you may actually have facts to support your biased views.

BOTC already has a feedback process in place with our advertisers. Sorry that you are not "in the know" on how the process works. If you go through many of our threads on the boards, you will see the changes in tournaments, camps, and clinics based on that feedback process.

Thats great that you have an organized and methodical process, can you point me to the feedback on this clinic as I am interested to see what others have said - Thanks for your help.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Amazing Cage you are no longer even attempting to hide your bias for TG.

No bias so nothing to hide. When a program offers solid training at a value price point, BOTC not only wants the program on our web site, but we want to be sure that the community can avail themselves of the opportunity. We have done similar pieces for several other specific programs.

If you are really looking to add some value and not just give your opinions to support your advertisers, why dont you be a little creative. For example, if you want feedback on a clinic, provide the people running the clinic with a code that only people that pay and attend can have and then run a survey about a clinic or program and only those with the code can respond without providing their name. Then BOTC can provide the results to the people running the program and online as well. That is far more valuable then you sitting there supporting a poor product when YOU have no knowledge of what went on at a given event. People would appreciate that far more than what you are saying now. Then you may actually have facts to support your biased views.

BOTC already has a feedback process in place with our advertisers. Sorry that you are not "in the know" on how the process works. If you go through many of our threads on the boards, you will see the changes in tournaments, camps, and clinics based on that feedback process.

Thats great that you have an organized and methodical process, can you point me to the feedback on this clinic as I am interested to see what others have said - Thanks for your help.

You need to be a registered user in order to get any additional information. In the meantime, you can read through any of the material here on the board.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thats great that you have an organized and methodical process, can you point me to the feedback on this clinic as I am interested to see what others have said - Thanks for your help.

You need to be a registered user in order to get any additional information. In the meantime, you can read through any of the material here on the board.

Just to be clear, BOTC provides the community feedback to our advertisers after an event. While some of the material is published by contributors here on the message board, other content comes to us via e-mail contributions. That content is not open to publication or review by the community, but is shared (anonymously unless otherwise specified) with the hosting organization.

The lacrosse by 3 clinic is a Hofstra clinic and not necessarily a topguns clinic, most of the staff will be current Hofstra players. My daughter attended last year and thought it was good, we will be going again this year. The indoor facility at Hofstra is appropriate for lacrosse training whereas the indoor space used in the recent topguns clinic is basically a baseball facility and not the best place for a lacrosse clinic.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughters friend went and she said it was very boring. She said it was advertised as stick skills and shooting and they did almost no shooting. She said the place they played in (or at least the space they were given was tiny). She said it was no more than having a catch with another kid and every now and then they would show you how to do a trick. Her mom was shocked that they would even have the nerve to charge for that type of session. Sounds like they did it as they are new to TG and wanted to be part of the programs SS is running but she was amazed at the lack of quality of what was put on. She only told me as I told her I was considering sending my daughter to the HS clinic SS is running in January and she said if it is anything like what they went to we should save our $$$'s. Sounds like it was an quick way for SS to pick up a few easy $$'s but she should be careful about diluting her brand too quickly.

Yeah, I heard the same and was a little disappointed since I was thinking about sending my daughter to the next clinic she was running at Hofstra but now I am reconsidering spending money on it. Thanks for the honest feedback.

BOTC gretaly questions this honest feedback. The poster reporting on the daughter's friend decided against Top Guns this season and posted the following on December 4th:

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is funny that you say that. When we were looking at teams for my daughter this year we had heard about this issue with the parents/coaches and had actually seen some of it first hand at a tournament last year. When we thought about having her tryout for TG she herself (an 11 year old) said she didnt want to go because of the feeling she got from them last year. They lost to one of the teams and beat the other team at their Hofstra tournament and my daughter said the parents were yelling at the kids when they were losing and that the kids themselves did not display "good sportmanship" when they were losing and when they lost. While we did see some of this as well it was overly apparent to an 11 year old girl - wheich really says it all. And you are right, it all starts at the top with the people running the program, the coaches and the parents. Learning the game is important - but what is more important is what you learn around the game (teamwork, sportsmanship, unity, etc.) and these are the values you will take with you way beyond your lacrosse career which will end at age 21. The lack of all these values are clearly displayed on this website everyday by TG parents - calling out kids and coaches and teammates and complaining about the program directors and clinics, etc. There are other clubs out there that teach far more than just lacrosse and I am glad that we have found one.

Now, while one wants to question a lack of values, BOTC questions why a parent who passed on the Top Guns wants to file a report about a Youth Camp attended by the "daughter's friend". Serious, growth a pair of lacrosse balls and come out from behind your shadows. You want bad-mouth the Top Guns program, fine - but have the guts to sign your name.

Just as a point of order, did it ever dawn on you that the negative posts were not coming from the Top Guns parents? Trust us, we have done the footwork on this one. Think about it.

Are you giving the same attention to the yj thread? Just curious. A lot of this going on, both clubs have guilty parties

My HS age daughter is registered and looking forward to going. 4 hours of indoor lax, at a great centrally located facility, run by a well known coach, for $100. There is no down side as far as I can see.

My daughter is on a 2017 team (not black) she is a very good player but I am very confused about what type of school would best fit her personality, lax skills and academics. I want to send her to some camps to help her feel it out. Do you have any suggestions where a freshman player should be seen over the next year to get the maximum exposure? Any comments or postive suggestions are welcome. Thank you!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is on a 2017 team (not black) she is a very good player but I am very confused about what type of school would best fit her personality, lax skills and academics. I want to send her to some camps to help her feel it out. Do you have any suggestions where a freshman player should be seen over the next year to get the maximum exposure? Any comments or postive suggestions are welcome. Thank you!

BOTC thinks that you are asking this question backwards. We strongly recommend that you start by identifying a set of Top Ten Academic and Top Ten Athletic colleges that would interest your daughter. Then, instead of asking "where are there coaches?" (at institutions of no interest to your child), you make the question "Where are our Top Ten coaches going to be recruiting?" The process will be more valuable for your money spent.

Please do review some of the material on the BOTC College Forum that specifically covers these points. If you have any other college recruiting questions, do not hesitate to post them.

I won't comment on which colleges/prospect days , as that is a very personal thing, with tons of variables. Other then to say try any and all that you can. As far as up coming camps, check out this link http://lacrosserecruits.com/guide_recruiting_girls
you may be late to some of these for this year but there is still plenty of time...but it's time to start

Have your daughters write to as many coaches as possible, as early as they can. With the current climate of recruiting I would say start in no later than 8TH grade. Do not get stuck only looking at the "big Schools" some of the smaller schools are much better . Know and guide your daughter to what is best for her, not all kids will do well at UVA or Maryland (schools with 25,000 + students) some schools have less the 5000 and your daughter would benefit from a smaller community and class size. Some kids will thrive at the bigger schools, but know your kid.

I know its hard to get a 12 year old to think about what they will do with the rest of there life, but you kind of have to get some sort of idea, your about to get into any ware between $150,000 to $500,000 dollars worth of financial obligation, do you really want to spend that much money on lacrosse alone. if your taking the time to read this it means your kid has 10 yeas or less of lacrosse left in her life, what will she do with the other 60+ years should be your true line of thought.

I have seen many of these schools and can tell you the biggest factor for my kid is coming down to do they have her field of study, the coaches attitude and style, and does she feel comfortable at that institution. With few exceptions most schools were beautiful. Take this small piece of advice, you can send your kid to the best school, but if they don't study, and have no direction, you will get nothing but a huge debt. If your kid has an idea of what they want to do, and apply themselves to achieving that goal, no matter what school they choose they will be successful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have your daughters write to as many coaches as possible, as early as they can. With the current climate of recruiting I would say start in no later than 8TH grade. Do not get stuck only looking at the "big Schools" some of the smaller schools are much better . Know and guide your daughter to what is best for her, not all kids will do well at UVA or Maryland (schools with 25,000 + students) some schools have less the 5000 and your daughter would benefit from a smaller community and class size. Some kids will thrive at the bigger schools, but know your kid.

I know its hard to get a 12 year old to think about what they will do with the rest of there life, but you kind of have to get some sort of idea, your about to get into any ware between $150,000 to $500,000 dollars worth of financial obligation, do you really want to spend that much money on lacrosse alone. if your taking the time to read this it means your kid has 10 yeas or less of lacrosse left in her life, what will she do with the other 60+ years should be your true line of thought.

I have seen many of these schools and can tell you the biggest factor for my kid is coming down to do they have her field of study, the coaches attitude and style, and does she feel comfortable at that institution. With few exceptions most schools were beautiful. Take this small piece of advice, you can send your kid to the best school, but if they don't study, and have no direction, you will get nothing but a huge debt. If your kid has an idea of what they want to do, and apply themselves to achieving that goal, no matter what school they choose they will be successful.

Wow, 8th grade. Would this recommendation be just for girls who have some sort of resume already? I would think that when you contact a college coach you will need to give them something that will peak their curiosity, and make is worth their time to take a look.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have your daughters write to as many coaches as possible, as early as they can. With the current climate of recruiting I would say start in no later than 8TH grade. Do not get stuck only looking at the "big Schools" some of the smaller schools are much better . Know and guide your daughter to what is best for her, not all kids will do well at UVA or Maryland (schools with 25,000 + students) some schools have less the 5000 and your daughter would benefit from a smaller community and class size. Some kids will thrive at the bigger schools, but know your kid.

I know its hard to get a 12 year old to think about what they will do with the rest of there life, but you kind of have to get some sort of idea, your about to get into any ware between $150,000 to $500,000 dollars worth of financial obligation, do you really want to spend that much money on lacrosse alone. if your taking the time to read this it means your kid has 10 yeas or less of lacrosse left in her life, what will she do with the other 60+ years should be your true line of thought.

I have seen many of these schools and can tell you the biggest factor for my kid is coming down to do they have her field of study, the coaches attitude and style, and does she feel comfortable at that institution. With few exceptions most schools were beautiful. Take this small piece of advice, you can send your kid to the best school, but if they don't study, and have no direction, you will get nothing but a huge debt. If your kid has an idea of what they want to do, and apply themselves to achieving that goal, no matter what school they choose they will be successful.

Wow, 8th grade. Would this recommendation be just for girls who have some sort of resume already? I would think that when you contact a college coach you will need to give them something that will peak their curiosity, and make is worth their time to take a look.

Coaches don't know about any resume outside of what club they play for and what tier team she plays on in the 8th grade. most coaches will start looking when your daughter hits 9th grade, my daughter learned the hard way they will only look at you if they know your name, and think that you have an interest in that school. Send out an e-mail saying who your daughter is, what club she plays for, what her number is, and an interest in the school. Make a video, post it on youtube, and send the link in every e-mail. try to send her to her top 5 schools summer camps. I know thats hard for some , but sending her to only one will kind of hurt her later. All the colleges have clinics in the late fall or winter, send her to those they're pretty cheap and only one day. you can see how the coaches are and if she likes the players and staff. As she gets older and developed a clearer idea of what she likes you can then send her to the summer camps of her favorite school

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have your daughters write to as many coaches as possible, as early as they can. With the current climate of recruiting I would say start in no later than 8TH grade. Do not get stuck only looking at the "big Schools" some of the smaller schools are much better . Know and guide your daughter to what is best for her, not all kids will do well at UVA or Maryland (schools with 25,000 + students) some schools have less the 5000 and your daughter would benefit from a smaller community and class size. Some kids will thrive at the bigger schools, but know your kid.

I know its hard to get a 12 year old to think about what they will do with the rest of there life, but you kind of have to get some sort of idea, your about to get into any ware between $150,000 to $500,000 dollars worth of financial obligation, do you really want to spend that much money on lacrosse alone. if your taking the time to read this it means your kid has 10 yeas or less of lacrosse left in her life, what will she do with the other 60+ years should be your true line of thought.

I have seen many of these schools and can tell you the biggest factor for my kid is coming down to do they have her field of study, the coaches attitude and style, and does she feel comfortable at that institution. With few exceptions most schools were beautiful. Take this small piece of advice, you can send your kid to the best school, but if they don't study, and have no direction, you will get nothing but a huge debt. If your kid has an idea of what they want to do, and apply themselves to achieving that goal, no matter what school they choose they will be successful.

Wow, 8th grade. Would this recommendation be just for girls who have some sort of resume already? I would think that when you contact a college coach you will need to give them something that will peak their curiosity, and make is worth their time to take a look.

Introduce yourself, express your interest in the school, state club affiliation and give them a schedule of the tournaments you'll be playing in during the summer. Nothing more is needed at this age but unfortunately (IMO) the D1 coaches start looking in earnest at the girls beginning the fall of their Freshman year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coaches don't know about any resume outside of what club they play for and what tier team she plays on in the 8th grade. most coaches will start looking when your daughter hits 9th grade, my daughter learned the hard way they will only look at you if they know your name, and think that you have an interest in that school. Send out an e-mail saying who your daughter is, what club she plays for, what her number is, and an interest in the school. Make a video, post it on youtube, and send the link in every e-mail. try to send her to her top 5 schools summer camps. I know thats hard for some , but sending her to only one will kind of hurt her later. All the colleges have clinics in the late fall or winter, send her to those they're pretty cheap and only one day. you can see how the coaches are and if she likes the players and staff. As she gets older and developed a clearer idea of what she likes you can then send her to the summer camps of her favorite school

College coaches do NOT want to receive any e-mails from the parents of players. They want to see correspondance that comes directly from the student-athlete.

You might want to review our College Forum's advice on these communications : Communications : Profiles, Letters, Contacts

Selecting the appropriate college events to attend all starts with an appropriately constructed Top Ten Academic and Top Ten Athletic school listing. That work might seem premature for a rising freshman, but starting the discussion of interests, college locations, and costs early in the process will relieve some of the stress heading into the later high school recruiting years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have your daughters write to as many coaches as possible, as early as they can. With the current climate of recruiting I would say start in no later than 8TH grade. Do not get stuck only looking at the "big Schools" some of the smaller schools are much better . Know and guide your daughter to what is best for her, not all kids will do well at UVA or Maryland (schools with 25,000 + students) some schools have less the 5000 and your daughter would benefit from a smaller community and class size. Some kids will thrive at the bigger schools, but know your kid.

I know its hard to get a 12 year old to think about what they will do with the rest of there life, but you kind of have to get some sort of idea, your about to get into any ware between $150,000 to $500,000 dollars worth of financial obligation, do you really want to spend that much money on lacrosse alone. if your taking the time to read this it means your kid has 10 yeas or less of lacrosse left in her life, what will she do with the other 60+ years should be your true line of thought.

I have seen many of these schools and can tell you the biggest factor for my kid is coming down to do they have her field of study, the coaches attitude and style, and does she feel comfortable at that institution. With few exceptions most schools were beautiful. Take this small piece of advice, you can send your kid to the best school, but if they don't study, and have no direction, you will get nothing but a huge debt. If your kid has an idea of what they want to do, and apply themselves to achieving that goal, no matter what school they choose they will be successful.

Wow, 8th grade. Would this recommendation be just for girls who have some sort of resume already? I would think that when you contact a college coach you will need to give them something that will peak their curiosity, and make is worth their time to take a look.

Coaches don't know about any resume outside of what club they play for and what tier team she plays on in the 8th grade. most coaches will start looking when your daughter hits 9th grade, my daughter learned the hard way they will only look at you if they know your name, and think that you have an interest in that school. Send out an e-mail saying who your daughter is, what club she plays for, what her number is, and an interest in the school. Make a video, post it on youtube, and send the link in every e-mail. try to send her to her top 5 schools summer camps. I know thats hard for some , but sending her to only one will kind of hurt her later. All the colleges have clinics in the late fall or winter, send her to those they're pretty cheap and only one day. you can see how the coaches are and if she likes the players and staff. As she gets older and developed a clearer idea of what she likes you can then send her to the summer camps of her favorite school

please forgive, I misspoke. Cage is correct, Coaches want to hear from players , not parents

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have your daughters write to as many coaches as possible, as early as they can. With the current climate of recruiting I would say start in no later than 8TH grade. Do not get stuck only looking at the "big Schools" some of the smaller schools are much better . Know and guide your daughter to what is best for her, not all kids will do well at UVA or Maryland (schools with 25,000 + students) some schools have less the 5000 and your daughter would benefit from a smaller community and class size. Some kids will thrive at the bigger schools, but know your kid.

I know its hard to get a 12 year old to think about what they will do with the rest of there life, but you kind of have to get some sort of idea, your about to get into any ware between $150,000 to $500,000 dollars worth of financial obligation, do you really want to spend that much money on lacrosse alone. if your taking the time to read this it means your kid has 10 yeas or less of lacrosse left in her life, what will she do with the other 60+ years should be your true line of thought.

I have seen many of these schools and can tell you the biggest factor for my kid is coming down to do they have her field of study, the coaches attitude and style, and does she feel comfortable at that institution. With few exceptions most schools were beautiful. Take this small piece of advice, you can send your kid to the best school, but if they don't study, and have no direction, you will get nothing but a huge debt. If your kid has an idea of what they want to do, and apply themselves to achieving that goal, no matter what school they choose they will be successful.

Wow, 8th grade. Would this recommendation be just for girls who have some sort of resume already? I would think that when you contact a college coach you will need to give them something that will peak their curiosity, and make is worth their time to take a look.

Coaches don't know about any resume outside of what club they play for and what tier team she plays on in the 8th grade. most coaches will start looking when your daughter hits 9th grade, my daughter learned the hard way they will only look at you if they know your name, and think that you have an interest in that school. Send out an e-mail saying who your daughter is, what club she plays for, what her number is, and an interest in the school. Make a video, post it on youtube, and send the link in every e-mail. try to send her to her top 5 schools summer camps. I know thats hard for some , but sending her to only one will kind of hurt her later. All the colleges have clinics in the late fall or winter, send her to those they're pretty cheap and only one day. you can see how the coaches are and if she likes the players and staff. As she gets older and developed a clearer idea of what she likes you can then send her to the summer camps of her favorite school

Take SATs early and often! Heard that from many coaches

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have your daughters write to as many coaches as possible, as early as they can. With the current climate of recruiting I would say start in no later than 8TH grade. Do not get stuck only looking at the "big Schools" some of the smaller schools are much better . Know and guide your daughter to what is best for her, not all kids will do well at UVA or Maryland (schools with 25,000 + students) some schools have less the 5000 and your daughter would benefit from a smaller community and class size. Some kids will thrive at the bigger schools, but know your kid.

I know its hard to get a 12 year old to think about what they will do with the rest of there life, but you kind of have to get some sort of idea, your about to get into any ware between $150,000 to $500,000 dollars worth of financial obligation, do you really want to spend that much money on lacrosse alone. if your taking the time to read this it means your kid has 10 yeas or less of lacrosse left in her life, what will she do with the other 60+ years should be your true line of thought.

I have seen many of these schools and can tell you the biggest factor for my kid is coming down to do they have her field of study, the coaches attitude and style, and does she feel comfortable at that institution. With few exceptions most schools were beautiful. Take this small piece of advice, you can send your kid to the best school, but if they don't study, and have no direction, you will get nothing but a huge debt. If your kid has an idea of what they want to do, and apply themselves to achieving that goal, no matter what school they choose they will be successful.

And this is exactly what is going wrong in sports today. Asking a 12 year old girl to think about things a 17 or 18 year old struggles with. I think the college recruiting business has gotten out of hand with having 8th/9th graders commit. There is plenty of time so don't rush the process.

We did the two Virginia trips last year and 7 hours is not being honest try 9-10 hours and a lot of parents do not want to go to Virginia twice and voiced their concerns with Top Guns and the program responded. One trip is more than enough, play hard the first trip and the recruiters will notice.

[/quote]BOTC was at an event just last night at Hofstra University's David Mack center. We can tell you for sure that the Women's Lacrosse Program at Hofstra is quite healthy and will continue and upward trajectory.

Further, we can tell you that the Long Island Top Guns programs and the affiliated Lacrosse-By-3 group have several extremely interesting events planned for the local girls scene that you will see here on BOTC (hopefully) within the coming weeks.

The grouping of these three elements, along with connections in the college coaching circles, continues to grow and thrive. Having seen a preview of these plans last night at the University, we strongly urge our original poster to rethink their position of a program on the wrong tracks. This is a full steam ahead situation for girls lacrosse. [/quote]

I am just curious, and have asked this question before with no response, what were the "several" interesting events that Hofstra and the LI Top Guns actually produced? Outside of a clinic and the tournament they ran last year, I am curious what they had talked about that never seemed to materialize - at least as far as lighting up the girls lax scene on Long Island. Or was this just BOTC trying to support their program?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am just curious, and have asked this question before with no response, what were the "several" interesting events that Hofstra and the LI Top Guns actually produced? Outside of a clinic and the tournament they ran last year, I am curious what they had talked about that never seemed to materialize - at least as far as lighting up the girls lax scene on Long Island. Or was this just BOTC trying to support their program?

Remember that this quote is being taken from the fourth quarter of 2013 - some of the events included the Winter Camp for Younger Players, the High School Girls Clinic, the Coach's Clinic (February), the Summer Individual Player Camp, the Summer Team Camp, and the revised dates for the Lacrosse Classic.

The Lacrosse Classic will dovetail this year with the K&J Athletics Showcase event. This is incredibly important for Long Island girls as they will be able to take part in the individualized showcase event by K&J Athletics on Thursday (practice) and Friday (showcase) followed by the team-oriented Lacrosse Classic on the Saturday and Sunday. College coaches will get a full three days to evaluate talent both on an individual and team basis. From a Long Island perspective, there is nothing that compares to the pairing of these two events.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am just curious, and have asked this question before with no response, what were the "several" interesting events that Hofstra and the LI Top Guns actually produced? Outside of a clinic and the tournament they ran last year, I am curious what they had talked about that never seemed to materialize - at least as far as lighting up the girls lax scene on Long Island. Or was this just BOTC trying to support their program?

Remember that this quote is being taken from the fourth quarter of 2013 - some of the events included the Winter Camp for Younger Players, the High School Girls Clinic, the Coach's Clinic (February), the Summer Individual Player Camp, the Summer Team Camp, and the revised dates for the Lacrosse Classic.

The Lacrosse Classic will dovetail this year with the K&J Athletics Showcase event. This is incredibly important for Long Island girls as they will be able to take part in the individualized showcase event by K&J Athletics on Thursday (practice) and Friday (showcase) followed by the team-oriented Lacrosse Classic on the Saturday and Sunday. College coaches will get a full three days to evaluate talent both on an individual and team basis. From a Long Island perspective, there is nothing that compares to the pairing of these two events.

Camp$, clinic$, camp$, clinic$...... Not really earth shattering events here and nothing at all unique. I think Top Gun parents were expecting more based on the "exciting" news you heard and I know others were looking for more especially when you hear things that other local travel clubs are doing. I know my daughters friend plays for a club that is running a bus tour on the east coast to multiple colleges where they are spending time with active players and coaches but maybe that would be a conflict of interest for Top Guns to run something of that nature?

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am just curious, and have asked this question before with no response, what were the "several" interesting events that Hofstra and the LI Top Guns actually produced? Outside of a clinic and the tournament they ran last year, I am curious what they had talked about that never seemed to materialize - at least as far as lighting up the girls lax scene on Long Island. Or was this just BOTC trying to support their program?

Remember that this quote is being taken from the fourth quarter of 2013 - some of the events included the Winter Camp for Younger Players, the High School Girls Clinic, the Coach's Clinic (February), the Summer Individual Player Camp, the Summer Team Camp, and the revised dates for the Lacrosse Classic.

The Lacrosse Classic will dovetail this year with the K&J Athletics Showcase event. This is incredibly important for Long Island girls as they will be able to take part in the individualized showcase event by K&J Athletics on Thursday (practice) and Friday (showcase) followed by the team-oriented Lacrosse Classic on the Saturday and Sunday. College coaches will get a full three days to evaluate talent both on an individual and team basis. From a Long Island perspective, there is nothing that compares to the pairing of these two events.

Your TG homer is showing again, why not actually let the event take place prior to stating that there is nothing that compares.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your TG homer is showing again, why not actually let the event take place prior to stating that there is nothing that compares.

Actually, it is the combination of both K&J Athletics and the Lacrosse-By-3 tournament that makes this a powerful combination. Let's ask you a different question : when was the last time that there were four consecutive days of showcasing opportunities for girls right here on Long Island? No single group or combination of groups has delivered that to the Long Island community.

Why do we expect that this combination of events will be successful? Last year at the K&J Girls Event, more than 50 college coaches from Division I, II, and III were in attendance for that single event. Players were receiving expressions of interest within 24 hours of that event.

Now, join that to a team showcasing event and you get the chance to have multiple days of previews. That's not being a homer, but rather recognizing the opportunity to come.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Camp$, clinic$, camp$, clinic$...... Not really earth shattering events here and nothing at all unique.

BOTC believes that the move in the Lacrosse Classic tournament date will enable better coaching attendance this season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think Top Gun parents were expecting more...

Then take that up inside the club, not with us. BOTC does not dictate the Top Gun agenda.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

... based on the "exciting" news you heard and I know others were looking for more especially when you hear things that other local travel clubs are doing.

Combining recruiting options in addition to quality low priced camps seems like a fair option to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know my daughters friend plays for a club that is running a bus tour on the east coast...

Then change clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

... to multiple colleges where they are spending time with active players and coaches but maybe that would be a conflict of interest for Top Guns to run something of that nature?

If those multiple colleges are not a match for your daughters target list of Top Ten Academic and Athletic choices, what difference does it make?

Where does the bus tour go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know my daughters friend plays for a club that is running a bus tour on the east coast...

Then change clubs.

You are being a homer when you fail to mention the other opportunity for college coaches to watch the best teams in the age groups right around the corner from the lacrosse by three not so classic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are being a homer when you fail to mention the other opportunity for college coaches to watch the best teams in the age groups right around the corner from the lacrosse by three not so classic.

There are many recruiting events in the region that BOTC does not cover. That does not diminish the value of the showcase events that we do cover.

BOTC provided in-depth coverage of alternative Long Island girls showcase events here on the message boards in 2011 and again in our BOTC Newsletter in 2012. The problem with these events was that they are not capable of attracting other Long Island programs. The Lacrosse Classic is well positioned to bring together those teams in a recruiting environment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where does the bus tour go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know my daughters friend plays for a club that is running a bus tour on the east coast...

Then change clubs.

Team Elevate is running a bus tour on the east coast for recruiting age girls. It's a great idea and can't believe that other clubs have not done this before. Great way for girls to see schools, meet coaches and players and a great bonding experience for the teams.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are being a homer when you fail to mention the other opportunity for college coaches to watch the best teams in the age groups right around the corner from the lacrosse by three not so classic.

There are many recruiting events in the region that BOTC does not cover. That does not diminish the value of the showcase events that we do cover.

BOTC provided in-depth coverage of alternative Long Island girls showcase events here on the message boards in 2011 and again in our BOTC Newsletter in 2012. The problem with these events was that they are not capable of attracting other Long Island programs. The Lacrosse Classic is well positioned to bring together those teams in a recruiting environment.

Well positioned sounds like homer talk. My prediction is as many if not more college coaches will visit the YJ event that weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where does the bus tour go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know my daughters friend plays for a club that is running a bus tour on the east coast...

Then change clubs.

Team Elevate is running a bus tour on the east coast for recruiting age girls. It's a great idea and can't believe that other clubs have not done this before. Great way for girls to see schools, meet coaches and players and a great bonding experience for the teams.

What if the tour doesn't include the school your daughter is interested in? Then who is it great for the person who organizes the trip? Doesn't sound great to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where does the bus tour go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know my daughters friend plays for a club that is running a bus tour on the east coast...

Then change clubs.

Team Elevate is running a bus tour on the east coast for recruiting age girls. It's a great idea and can't believe that other clubs have not done this before. Great way for girls to see schools, meet coaches and players and a great bonding experience for the teams.

Good for Team Elevate. Does your daughter play for them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are being a homer when you fail to mention the other opportunity for college coaches to watch the best teams in the age groups right around the corner from the lacrosse by three not so classic.

There are many recruiting events in the region that BOTC does not cover. That does not diminish the value of the showcase events that we do cover.

BOTC provided in-depth coverage of alternative Long Island girls showcase events here on the message boards in 2011 and again in our BOTC Newsletter in 2012. The problem with these events was that they are not capable of attracting other Long Island programs. The Lacrosse Classic is well positioned to bring together those teams in a recruiting environment.

Well positioned sounds like homer talk. My prediction is as many if not more college coaches will visit the YJ event that weekend.

No way, won't even be close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where does the bus tour go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know my daughters friend plays for a club that is running a bus tour on the east coast...

Then change clubs.

Team Elevate is running a bus tour on the east coast for recruiting age girls. It's a great idea and can't believe that other clubs have not done this before. Great way for girls to see schools, meet coaches and players and a great bonding experience for the teams.

What if the tour doesn't include the school your daughter is interested in? Then who is it great for the person who organizes the trip? Doesn't sound great to me.

Exactly!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where does the bus tour go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know my daughters friend plays for a club that is running a bus tour on the east coast...

Then change clubs.

Team Elevate is running a bus tour on the east coast for recruiting age girls. It's a great idea and can't believe that other clubs have not done this before. Great way for girls to see schools, meet coaches and players and a great bonding experience for the teams.

What if the tour doesn't include the school your daughter is interested in? Then who is it great for the person who organizes the trip? Doesn't sound great to me.

I have an idea that may work for you when these situations come up again. If somebody offers you something - let's say for instance a college bus tour and let's say you are not interested in it for argument sake - maybe you just don't go - how does that sound??! I think the point the person was making was that there is a club doing something different to expose kids to schools and coaches and players and I am sure they all won't go - but at least they are trying to do something and going the extra mile and thinking creatively.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where does the bus tour go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know my daughters friend plays for a club that is running a bus tour on the east coast...

Then change clubs.

Team Elevate is running a bus tour on the east coast for recruiting age girls. It's a great idea and can't believe that other clubs have not done this before. Great way for girls to see schools, meet coaches and players and a great bonding experience for the teams.

What if the tour doesn't include the school your daughter is interested in? Then who is it great for the person who organizes the trip? Doesn't sound great to me.

I have an idea that may work for you when these situations come up again. If somebody offers you something - let's say for instance a college bus tour and let's say you are not interested in it for argument sake - maybe you just don't go - how does that sound??! I think the point the person was making was that there is a club doing something different to expose kids to schools and coaches and players and I am sure they all won't go - but at least they are trying to do something and going the extra mile and thinking creatively.

TG has been very helpful when it comes to colleges and recruiting advice. Good for Team Elevate for also helping the girls.

Great job by Team Elevate trying something new. Seems TG is very helpful in recruiting process also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where does the bus tour go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know my daughters friend plays for a club that is running a bus tour on the east coast...

Then change clubs.

Team Elevate is running a bus tour on the east coast for recruiting age girls. It's a great idea and can't believe that other clubs have not done this before. Great way for girls to see schools, meet coaches and players and a great bonding experience for the teams.

What if the tour doesn't include the school your daughter is interested in? Then who is it great for the person who organizes the trip? Doesn't sound great to me.

Worst case, you get to see some other schools and have something to compare to when you do visit your top schools. Best case, you fall in love with a school you never considered. Either way, you spend a few days with your teammates off the field - I don't see any downside and I'm not involved with either club.

Too funny cage such a homer he alters posts and does not even say that it's been edited, shows cages complete lack of honesty. Feel free to edit this post also I will keep them coming, just shows you know TG cannot stand on its own merit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny cage such a homer he alters posts and does not even say that it's been edited, shows cages complete lack of honesty. Feel free to edit this post also I will keep them coming, just shows you know TG cannot stand on its own merit.

No need to edit this edition of your drivel (SAT Word of the Day). Why are you completely absorbed with the activities around the Top Guns program?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great job by Team Elevate trying something new. Seems TG is very helpful in recruiting process also.

Does anyone have real details about what Elevate is doing? What schools, how many days, is it open to non-Elevate players?

Cage-would you consider posting a "Wish I Knew This The First Time" so that parents and athletes could put helpful things for those of going through the process now? Thank you, Alot of stuff I read on here is helping me in high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cage-would you consider posting a "Wish I Knew This The First Time" so that parents and athletes could put helpful things for those of going through the process now? Thank you, Alot of stuff I read on here is helping me in high school.

Thank you for the kind words and interest. The College Forum here on BOTC is designed exactly for this purpose. On the Ribbon Bar, click "Forum List" and you will see the College Forum in the Lacrosse Library.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where does the bus tour go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know my daughters friend plays for a club that is running a bus tour on the east coast...

Then change clubs.

Team Elevate is running a bus tour on the east coast for recruiting age girls. It's a great idea and can't believe that other clubs have not done this before. Great way for girls to see schools, meet coaches and players and a great bonding experience for the teams.

What if the tour doesn't include the school your daughter is interested in? Then who is it great for the person who organizes the trip? Doesn't sound great to me.

Worst case, you get to see some other schools and have something to compare to when you do visit your top schools. Best case, you fall in love with a school you never considered. Either way, you spend a few days with your teammates off the field - I don't see any downside and I'm not involved with either club.

Either club? I thought they were talking about Elevate doing this, who else is doing it? I have done exactly this with my daughter and a group of friends from several different teams and went on to play at prestigious colleges summer tournaments. Completely player and parent organized and it has worked out very well. No bus but like that idea too. Is this idea organized by elevate or by parents and players? We have also opted out of similar events because of lack of interest for college, tournament and or coaches present. The idea of the summer clubs we play for is to have the teams play in at least several tournament with a good cross section of exposure to a wide variety of recruiters, are these clubs failing us that we have to go out on our own to get the desired exposure?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where does the bus tour go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know my daughters friend plays for a club that is running a bus tour on the east coast...

Then change clubs.

Team Elevate is running a bus tour on the east coast for recruiting age girls. It's a great idea and can't believe that other clubs have not done this before. Great way for girls to see schools, meet coaches and players and a great bonding experience for the teams.

What if the tour doesn't include the school your daughter is interested in? Then who is it great for the person who organizes the trip? Doesn't sound great to me.

Worst case, you get to see some other schools and have something to compare to when you do visit your top schools. Best case, you fall in love with a school you never considered. Either way, you spend a few days with your teammates off the field - I don't see any downside and I'm not involved with either club.

Either club? I thought they were talking about Elevate doing this, who else is doing it? I have done exactly this with my daughter and a group of friends from several different teams and went on to play at prestigious colleges summer tournaments. Completely player and parent organized and it has worked out very well. No bus but like that idea too. Is this idea organized by elevate or by parents and players? We have also opted out of similar events because of lack of interest for college, tournament and or coaches present. The idea of the summer clubs we play for is to have the teams play in at least several tournament with a good cross section of exposure to a wide variety of recruiters, are these clubs failing us that we have to go out on our own to get the desired exposure?

If you think your club is going to do everything for you, you're failing quite well on your own....

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny cage such a homer he alters posts and does not even say that it's been edited, shows cages complete lack of honesty. Feel free to edit this post also I will keep them coming, just shows you know TG cannot stand on its own merit.

No need to edit this edition of your drivel (SAT Word of the Day). Why are you completely absorbed with the activities around the Top Guns program?

Probably a TG has-been, or never-will be, who just can't let go, and is unhappy on YJ team 4 or 5, so he just hangs around here to criticize continuously. It's people like this hat make me happy they're not actually with TG.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great job by Team Elevate trying something new. Seems TG is very helpful in recruiting process also.

Does anyone have real details about what Elevate is doing? What schools, how many days, is it open to non-Elevate players?

Why don't you email Elevate? Don't be afraid....

My opinion is that clubs can't be everything for everyone. Most of them work very hard to improve the club which by default makes the kids better and more recruitable (if that's a word...lol).
Parental involvement and guidance can never be replaced and is critical in the formation of solid character and values. Not to mention the invaluable experiences that will be shared when parents take their kids to college showcases and clinics. By the way, it is the most effective way to see the campus, see the culture of the current teams players and get a great look from the coaches.
This formula has worked great for us and we have some great memories and an amazing college recruiting result to show for it. The clubs are a great tool to be utilized to improve your players skills and a great resource to get your foot in the "recruiting door" but the rest is up to you....as it should be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My opinion is that clubs can't be everything for everyone. Most of them work very hard to improve the club which by default makes the kids better and more recruitable (if that's a word...lol).
Parental involvement and guidance can never be replaced and is critical in the formation of solid character and values. Not to mention the invaluable experiences that will be shared when parents take their kids to college showcases and clinics. By the way, it is the most effective way to see the campus, see the culture of the current teams players and get a great look from the coaches.
This formula has worked great for us and we have some great memories and an amazing college recruiting result to show for it. The clubs are a great tool to be utilized to improve your players skills and a great resource to get your foot in the "recruiting door" but the rest is up to you....as it should be.

That's an awesome, encouraging take on it. We're just starting the process, with our 2017 daughter, and so far it's already been great, and I agree with your take on it 100%!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great job by Team Elevate trying something new. Seems TG is very helpful in recruiting process also.

Does anyone have real details about what Elevate is doing? What schools, how many days, is it open to non-Elevate players?

I did not want to hijack the TG thread but I thought that if you wanted the details I would let you know them. This is a team organized event and not a parent event. We are visiting the following schools via a coach bus in this order Yale, UCONN, Boston College, Harvard, Brown, Bryant, Connecticut College and Fairfield.

Originally Posted by teamelevate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great job by Team Elevate trying something new. Seems TG is very helpful in recruiting process also.

Does anyone have real details about what Elevate is doing? What schools, how many days, is it open to non-Elevate players?

I did not want to hijack the TG thread but I thought that if you wanted the details I would let you know them. This is a team organized event and not a parent event. We are visiting the following schools via a coach bus in this order Yale, UCONN, Boston College, Harvard, Brown, Bryant, Connecticut College and Fairfield.

I think it is a great idea.

Originally Posted by teamelevate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great job by Team Elevate trying something new. Seems TG is very helpful in recruiting process also.

Does anyone have real details about what Elevate is doing? What schools, how many days, is it open to non-Elevate players?

I did not want to hijack the TG thread but I thought that if you wanted the details I would let you know them. This is a team organized event and not a parent event. We are visiting the following schools via a coach bus in this order Yale, UCONN, Boston College, Harvard, Brown, Bryant, Connecticut College and Fairfield.

Great idea! A nice variety of schools and a great starting point for the girls and their families. It's a fun and exciting time in their lives.... I think this will make it more fun for them. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by teamelevate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great job by Team Elevate trying something new. Seems TG is very helpful in recruiting process also.

Does anyone have real details about what Elevate is doing? What schools, how many days, is it open to non-Elevate players?

I did not want to hijack the TG thread but I thought that if you wanted the details I would let you know them. This is a team organized event and not a parent event. We are visiting the following schools via a coach bus in this order Yale, UCONN, Boston College, Harvard, Brown, Bryant, Connecticut College and Fairfield.

That is so cool!

Great idea! A nice variety of schools and a great starting point for the girls and their families. It's a fun and exciting time in their lives.... I think this will make it more fun for them. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by teamelevate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great job by Team Elevate trying something new. Seems TG is very helpful in recruiting process also.

Does anyone have real details about what Elevate is doing? What schools, how many days, is it open to non-Elevate players?

I did not want to hijack the TG thread but I thought that if you wanted the details I would let you know them. This is a team organized event and not a parent event. We are visiting the following schools via a coach bus in this order Yale, UCONN, Boston College, Harvard, Brown, Bryant, Connecticut College and Fairfield.

That is so cool!

Great idea! A nice variety of schools and a great starting point for the girls and their families. It's a fun and exciting time in their lives.... I think this will make it more fun for them. Good luck.

I also think it's a pretty cool idea, especially at the point where they're just about starting the recruiting process. I know my own kids had no clue what kind of school they wanted, big/small, rural/urban, etc. This trip gives the kids a nice chance to see a range of schools and get a feel for what feels like something they would like -- withouth their parents toting them all over because we all know how much teens love family trips away from friends.

I like the idea but I think the idea of choosing a college should be left up to the child and the parent paying for the college. Sounds like fun though and for people who think the club does all the work they have another thing coming. If your daughter is that GOOD she will be recruited and verbally committed by 10th grade if she is good, it takes a lot of work by all parties involved to find the right college and a decent offer to play at the right college. A lot of colleges want the good player but do not have the money to offer. A lot of colleges have camps or clinics for the athletes knowing they have recruited that class already. Its the used car business if you havent realized that already.

the only time topguns is helpful in recruiting is if your a blue chip player.... and if you are, you dont need them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the only time topguns is helpful in recruiting is if your a blue chip player.... and if you are, you dont need them.

That's so untrue, it's ridiculous. Go away!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the only time topguns is helpful in recruiting is if your a blue chip player.... and if you are, you dont need them.

If they're not helping you, and you're a TG parent, it's time for a look in the mirror. It might be due to your behavior. So many parents get crazy, negative, pushy, and critical, that I'm sure the Smiths are much less motivated to help them! Leaves them more time to help the parents who are respectful, patient, supportive, and helpful to the program.

Unfortunately, I've seen so many parents, who think they're helping their kids, by constantly questioning and criticizing the coaches & program. It happens in travel, youth, and HS. The poor kids of those parents will always be fighting an uphill battle, to counteract their parents' behavior. I have friends who are HS and college coaches, and a big part of the recruiting conversation is the PARENTS! If the kids are similar, the coach will ALWAYS take the one with quieter parents, even if the kid is slightly less skilled!

The comments, questions, and negativity usually makes its way back to the coaches and directors. They know who the problem parents are, believe me. Do your kids a favor, and watch your behavior, sideline comments, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the only time topguns is helpful in recruiting is if your a blue chip player.... and if you are, you dont need them.

If they're not helping you, and you're a TG parent, it's time for a look in the mirror. It might be due to your behavior. So many parents get crazy, negative, pushy, and critical, that I'm sure the Smiths are much less motivated to help them! Leaves them more time to help the parents who are respectful, patient, supportive, and helpful to the program.

Unfortunately, I've seen so many parents, who think they're helping their kids, by constantly questioning and criticizing the coaches & program. It happens in travel, youth, and HS. The poor kids of those parents will always be fighting an uphill battle, to counteract their parents' behavior. I have friends who are HS and college coaches, and a big part of the recruiting conversation is the PARENTS! If the kids are similar, the coach will ALWAYS take the one with quieter parents, even if the kid is slightly less skilled!

The comments, questions, and negativity usually makes its way back to the coaches and directors. They know who the problem parents are, believe me. Do your kids a favor, and watch your behavior, sideline comments, etc.

Sounds about right the Smiths should punish those kids that have parents that dare to criticize them. Those comments usually find there way back to the Smiths because parents like you feel the only way to get your kid ahead is go to the Smiths and make a lot of nonsense up about so and so who's kid is way better than yours.The funniest thing about your comment is BS was the worst sideline parent out there , go ask some of SS old teammates .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds about right the Smiths should punish those kids that have parents that dare to criticize them.

That is not what our original poster suggested and demonstrates that you have a fundamental lack of reading comprehension skills. The poster was not discussing "punishment" in response to "criticism", but instead was talking about negative behaviors which would impact the student-athlete's standing with the team.

A coach has an option to go the extra mile for a given player and will do that for one of many reasons. However, that same coach who has been chastized on multiple occasions by a given parent might not be as willing to help.

That is not "punishment".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Those comments usually find there way back to the Smiths because parents like you feel the only way to get your kid ahead is go to the Smiths and make a lot of nonsense up about so and so who's kid is way better than yours.

Your sentence expresses absolutely zero value-added content.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The funniest thing about your comment is BS was the worst sideline parent out there , go ask some of SS old teammates.

BOTC would certainly like to do just that.

Let's start with you since you have all the answers. Contact us at cagesage@backofthecage.com with some names including your own. BOTC will do the legwork.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the only time topguns is helpful in recruiting is if your a blue chip player.... and if you are, you dont need them.

If they're not helping you, and you're a TG parent, it's time for a look in the mirror. It might be due to your behavior. So many parents get crazy, negative, pushy, and critical, that I'm sure the Smiths are much less motivated to help them! Leaves them more time to help the parents who are respectful, patient, supportive, and helpful to the program.

Unfortunately, I've seen so many parents, who think they're helping their kids, by constantly questioning and criticizing the coaches & program. It happens in travel, youth, and HS. The poor kids of those parents will always be fighting an uphill battle, to counteract their parents' behavior. I have friends who are HS and college coaches, and a big part of the recruiting conversation is the PARENTS! If the kids are similar, the coach will ALWAYS take the one with quieter parents, even if the kid is slightly less skilled!

The comments, questions, and negativity usually makes its way back to the coaches and directors. They know who the problem parents are, believe me. Do your kids a favor, and watch your behavior, sideline comments, etc.

Sounds about right the Smiths should punish those kids that have parents that dare to criticize them. Those comments usually find there way back to the Smiths because parents like you feel the only way to get your kid ahead is go to the Smiths and make a lot of nonsense up about so and so who's kid is way better than yours.The funniest thing about your comment is BS was the worst sideline parent out there , go ask some of SS old teammates .

I have been on the sideline for many SS games that BS was in attendance, don't know if he ever missed any game she played. And your right, he was your typical loud, obnoxious lacrosse parent, a typical YJ parent. No better and no worse than all the rest.This would be a great sport if we could rid of the parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the only time topguns is helpful in recruiting is if your a blue chip player.... and if you are, you dont need them.

If they're not helping you, and you're a TG parent, it's time for a look in the mirror. It might be due to your behavior. So many parents get crazy, negative, pushy, and critical, that I'm sure the Smiths are much less motivated to help them! Leaves them more time to help the parents who are respectful, patient, supportive, and helpful to the program.

Unfortunately, I've seen so many parents, who think they're helping their kids, by constantly questioning and criticizing the coaches & program. It happens in travel, youth, and HS. The poor kids of those parents will always be fighting an uphill battle, to counteract their parents' behavior. I have friends who are HS and college coaches, and a big part of the recruiting conversation is the PARENTS! If the kids are similar, the coach will ALWAYS take the one with quieter parents, even if the kid is slightly less skilled!

The comments, questions, and negativity usually makes its way back to the coaches and directors. They know who the problem parents are, believe me. Do your kids a favor, and watch your behavior, sideline comments, etc.

Sounds about right the Smiths should punish those kids that have parents that dare to criticize them. Those comments usually find there way back to the Smiths because parents like you feel the only way to get your kid ahead is go to the Smiths and make a lot of nonsense up about so and so who's kid is way better than yours.The funniest thing about your comment is BS was the worst sideline parent out there , go ask some of SS old teammates .

You're not even following my point. It's not about "punishing" the kids, and I never talk to the smiths about other kids. Those parents are in the group who who don't get, which I think includes you. They'll also be the first ones to blame the smiths for not helping them enough with the recruiting process. BS' past behavior as a parent has nothing to do with my point either. I was talking about how parents can really hurt their kids' chances of getting help, and can lower their standing with the coaches and directors. Some people need to evaluate their own behavior, and sometimes that includes keeping their mouths shut, even when it's not easy, just for the benefit of their kids. Half the bitching is useless and unwarranted anyway. In general, people like to complain, and it's contagious. However, it usually hurts your kid, not helps.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds about right the Smiths should punish those kids that have parents that dare to criticize them.

That is not what our original poster suggested and demonstrates that you have a fundamental lack of reading comprehension skills. The poster was not discussing "punishment" in response to "criticism", but instead was talking about negative behaviors which would impact the student-athlete's standing with the team.

A coach has an option to go the extra mile for a given player and will do that for one of many reasons. However, that same coach who has been chastized on multiple occasions by a given parent might not be as willing to help.

That is not "punishment".

To inflict a penalty( not helping or worse purposely hurting a recruit) in retaliation for the perceived commission of an offense ( being critical) is punishment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Those comments usually find there way back to the Smiths because parents like you feel the only way to get your kid ahead is go to the Smiths and make a lot of nonsense up about so and so who's kid is way better than yours.

Your sentence expresses absolutely zero value-added content.

Which would also equate to your comment having zero- added content

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The funniest thing about your comment is BS was the worst sideline parent out there , go ask some of SS old teammates.

BOTC would certainly like to do just that.

Let's start with you since you have all the answers. Contact us at cagesage@backofthecage.com with some names including your own. BOTC will do the legwork.

I actually like SS but have found her fathers antics back in the YJ days to present not representative of a good role model. Find in inexcusable that you are okay w them accepting people's money for years but would not put their best effort forward to help a kid who has done nothing to them get recruited. If you do not want people posting anonymously then don't allow it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I actually like SS but have found her fathers antics back in the YJ days to present not representative of a good role model.

My e-mail in-box is still working - just checked. Feel free to offer us additional details as you were invited previously.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Find in inexcusable that you are okay w them accepting people's money for years but would not put their best effort forward to help a kid who has done nothing to them get recruited.

BOTC never stated anything to that effect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you do not want people posting anonymously then don't allow it.

If you do not like our sandbox and rules ... well, you know the rest.

Found the following embedded in your previous response.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To inflict a penalty( not helping or worse purposely hurting a recruit) in retaliation for the perceived commission of an offense ( being critical) is punishment.

Offering recruiting help is not something that we have seen on any club's recruiting flyer to date. BOTC believes that too many lacrosse families are relegating this role to the club directors which is leading to this idea of punishment and retaliation. Parents are expecting a service which was never explicitly promised.

The fact is that unless you signed something with your club that said that part of your tuition was being directed towards recruiting support, this is likely something not guaranteed. Therefore, a player cannot be "punished" by not receiving a service not promised.

Our solution here is quite simple : Let the club director's run their clubs and the right support for your child will flow. If you are unhappy with your club (which should be known well before the recruiting ages), find another option.

Parents are always the best advocates for their children. Direct that effort to guiding a college communications campaign with your child rather than working over the club coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds about right the Smiths should punish those kids that have parents that dare to criticize them.

That is not what our original poster suggested and demonstrates that you have a fundamental lack of reading comprehension skills. The poster was not discussing "punishment" in response to "criticism", but instead was talking about negative behaviors which would impact the student-athlete's standing with the team.

A coach has an option to go the extra mile for a given player and will do that for one of many reasons. However, that same coach who has been chastized on multiple occasions by a given parent might not be as willing to help.

That is not "punishment".

To inflict a penalty( not helping or worse purposely hurting a recruit) in retaliation for the perceived commission of an offense ( being critical) is punishment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Those comments usually find there way back to the Smiths because parents like you feel the only way to get your kid ahead is go to the Smiths and make a lot of nonsense up about so and so who's kid is way better than yours.

Your sentence expresses absolutely zero value-added content.

Which would also equate to your comment having zero- added content

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The funniest thing about your comment is BS was the worst sideline parent out there , go ask some of SS old teammates.

BOTC would certainly like to do just that.

Let's start with you since you have all the answers. Contact us at cagesage@backofthecage.com with some names including your own. BOTC will do the legwork.

I actually like SS but have found her fathers antics back in the YJ days to present not representative of a good role model. Find in inexcusable that you are okay w them accepting people's money for years but would not put their best effort forward to help a kid who has done nothing to them get recruited. If you do not want people posting anonymously then don't allow it.

It's not an intentional punishment to the child. It's a natural reaction to not go out of your way to help parents, or work closely with parents, who have been negative, critical, back-stabbing, etc. You would also gravitate toward the parents who are supportive, don't bother you about everything, nag you about things that don't even really matter, etc. People behave like that, and then don't understand why they might not be getting the best service and attention from the organization. That's life - fair or not, you should try to act in a way that makes people want to help you out! Otherwise, you're on your own, and should go try another program. Nothing was promised on the recruiting side of things when you signed up for TG. However, if you work it right, you can get great help!

Originally Posted by CageSage

Found the following embedded in your previous response.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To inflict a penalty( not helping or worse purposely hurting a recruit) in retaliation for the perceived commission of an offense ( being critical) is punishment.

Offering recruiting help is not something that we have seen on any club's recruiting flyer to date. BOTC believes that too many lacrosse families are relegating this role to the club directors which is leading to this idea of punishment and retaliation. Parents are expecting a service which was never explicitly promised.

The fact is that unless you signed something with your club that said that part of your tuition was being directed towards recruiting support, this is likely something not guaranteed. Therefore, a player cannot be "punished" by not receiving a service not promised.

Our solution here is quite simple : Let the club director's run their clubs and the right support for your child will flow. If you are unhappy with your club (which should be known well before the recruiting ages), find another option.

Parents are always the best advocates for their children. Direct that effort to guiding a college communications campaign with your child rather than working over the club coaches.

So I guess a coach cannot use playing time as a punishment because you never signed something in regard to playing time. The actual fact is if your club is not doing something to help you with the recruiting process your club is failing you.Further if a coach or club owner does nothing to help a child because they do not like something about that kids parent they are punishing that child.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Found the following embedded in your previous response.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To inflict a penalty( not helping or worse purposely hurting a recruit) in retaliation for the perceived commission of an offense ( being critical) is punishment.

Offering recruiting help is not something that we have seen on any club's recruiting flyer to date. BOTC believes that too many lacrosse families are relegating this role to the club directors which is leading to this idea of punishment and retaliation. Parents are expecting a service which was never explicitly promised.

The fact is that unless you signed something with your club that said that part of your tuition was being directed towards recruiting support, this is likely something not guaranteed. Therefore, a player cannot be "punished" by not receiving a service not promised.

Our solution here is quite simple : Let the club director's run their clubs and the right support for your child will flow. If you are unhappy with your club (which should be known well before the recruiting ages), find another option.

Parents are always the best advocates for their children. Direct that effort to guiding a college communications campaign with your child rather than working over the club coaches.

So I guess a coach cannot use playing time as a punishment because you never signed something in regard to playing time. The actual fact is if your club is not doing something to help you with the recruiting process your club is failing you.Further if a coach or club owner does nothing to help a child because they do not like something about that kids parent they are punishing that child

Truth is the club is helping you by selecting you to lay for the club and allowing you to represent them in front of college coaches at tournament. Wether the coach/director tells you if a college asked about your player is not part of any contract, for any club on L.I. Most coaches will tell the player, and say something nice, but the leg work must still be done by you. You sound like one of those parents that think your responsibility/ work ends when you sign the check. Unless your kid is a blue chip (and I'm sure you think your kid is, but isn't) your kid has to send e-mails, make phone calls , make visits, and attend camps/clinics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Found the following embedded in your previous response.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To inflict a penalty( not helping or worse purposely hurting a recruit) in retaliation for the perceived commission of an offense ( being critical) is punishment.

Offering recruiting help is not something that we have seen on any club's recruiting flyer to date. BOTC believes that too many lacrosse families are relegating this role to the club directors which is leading to this idea of punishment and retaliation. Parents are expecting a service which was never explicitly promised.

The fact is that unless you signed something with your club that said that part of your tuition was being directed towards recruiting support, this is likely something not guaranteed. Therefore, a player cannot be "punished" by not receiving a service not promised.

Our solution here is quite simple : Let the club director's run their clubs and the right support for your child will flow. If you are unhappy with your club (which should be known well before the recruiting ages), find another option.

Parents are always the best advocates for their children. Direct that effort to guiding a college communications campaign with your child rather than working over the club coaches.

So I guess a coach cannot use playing time as a punishment because you never signed something in regard to playing time. The actual fact is if your club is not doing something to help you with the recruiting process your club is failing you.Further if a coach or club owner does nothing to help a child because they do not like something about that kids parent they are punishing that child

Truth is the club is helping you by selecting you to lay for the club and allowing you to represent them in front of college coaches at tournament. Wether the coach/director tells you if a college asked about your player is not part of any contract, for any club on L.I. Most coaches will tell the player, and say something nice, but the leg work must still be done by you. You sound like one of those parents that think your responsibility/ work ends when you sign the check. Unless your kid is a blue chip (and I'm sure you think your kid is, but isn't) your kid has to send e-mails, make phone calls , make visits, and attend camps/clinics.

Thanks for assuming you know anything about my kid , I guess we both must be wrong because I assume your kid is below average and you feel the need to kiss your coaches butt and talk badly about her teammates . Sounds to me like you need to do a lot of work to get your kid noticed by any college coach. Send all the emails and do all the leg work you want if your kid is below average it does not matter .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Found the following embedded in your previous response.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To inflict a penalty( not helping or worse purposely hurting a recruit) in retaliation for the perceived commission of an offense ( being critical) is punishment.

Offering recruiting help is not something that we have seen on any club's recruiting flyer to date. BOTC believes that too many lacrosse families are relegating this role to the club directors which is leading to this idea of punishment and retaliation. Parents are expecting a service which was never explicitly promised.

The fact is that unless you signed something with your club that said that part of your tuition was being directed towards recruiting support, this is likely something not guaranteed. Therefore, a player cannot be "punished" by not receiving a service not promised.

Our solution here is quite simple : Let the club director's run their clubs and the right support for your child will flow. If you are unhappy with your club (which should be known well before the recruiting ages), find another option.

Parents are always the best advocates for their children. Direct that effort to guiding a college communications campaign with your child rather than working over the club coaches.

So I guess a coach cannot use playing time as a punishment because you never signed something in regard to playing time. The actual fact is if your club is not doing something to help you with the recruiting process your club is failing you.Further if a coach or club owner does nothing to help a child because they do not like something about that kids parent they are punishing that child

Truth is the club is helping you by selecting you to lay for the club and allowing you to represent them in front of college coaches at tournament. Wether the coach/director tells you if a college asked about your player is not part of any contract, for any club on L.I. Most coaches will tell the player, and say something nice, but the leg work must still be done by you. You sound like one of those parents that think your responsibility/ work ends when you sign the check. Unless your kid is a blue chip (and I'm sure you think your kid is, but isn't) your kid has to send e-mails, make phone calls , make visits, and attend camps/clinics.

Exactly...and these parents will blame the coaches and directors for wherever their kid doesn't end up. They'll throw some blame on the HS coach too, why not?

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Found the following embedded in your previous response.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To inflict a penalty( not helping or worse purposely hurting a recruit) in retaliation for the perceived commission of an offense ( being critical) is punishment.

Offering recruiting help is not something that we have seen on any club's recruiting flyer to date. BOTC believes that too many lacrosse families are relegating this role to the club directors which is leading to this idea of punishment and retaliation. Parents are expecting a service which was never explicitly promised.

The fact is that unless you signed something with your club that said that part of your tuition was being directed towards recruiting support, this is likely something not guaranteed. Therefore, a player cannot be "punished" by not receiving a service not promised.

Our solution here is quite simple : Let the club director's run their clubs and the right support for your child will flow. If you are unhappy with your club (which should be known well before the recruiting ages), find another option.

Parents are always the best advocates for their children. Direct that effort to guiding a college communications campaign with your child rather than working over the club coaches.

So I guess a coach cannot use playing time as a punishment because you never signed something in regard to playing time. The actual fact is if your club is not doing something to help you with the recruiting process your club is failing you.Further if a coach or club owner does nothing to help a child because they do not like something about that kids parent they are punishing that child

Truth is the club is helping you by selecting you to lay for the club and allowing you to represent them in front of college coaches at tournament. Wether the coach/director tells you if a college asked about your player is not part of any contract, for any club on L.I. Most coaches will tell the player, and say something nice, but the leg work must still be done by you. You sound like one of those parents that think your responsibility/ work ends when you sign the check. Unless your kid is a blue chip (and I'm sure you think your kid is, but isn't) your kid has to send e-mails, make phone calls , make visits, and attend camps/clinics.

Exactly...and these parents will blame the coaches and directors for wherever their kid doesn't end up. They'll throw some blame on the HS coach too, why not?

I always considered the recruiting process as a marketing scheme with my kid as the product. That's essentially what you're doing, selling a coach on your kid. My lax kid is my last, so I've done this in three different sports now. I never expected the club coaches to do much other than vouch for my kid when asked. I've found the clubs do provide detailed guidelines of what sort of contact to make with prospective colleges and when, and also the NCAA guidelines by which the colleges must abide. The clubs did make calls when asked but not with the same urgency and persistance that would come from a athlete.

The whole recruiting process is incrediblly stressful all around, it just adds more agita to the already-present stress of choosing a college and maybe even a major. It's a lot.

I really dislike the whole "commit in 10th grade,' (or earlier!) aspect currently present in lax. Back in the aughts, my daughter's lax friends commited during the beginning of senior year, maybe the summer before. Normal. Now, six years later, it's a completely different landscape and not for the better, IMO. But that's a rant for another day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been on the sideline for many SS games that BS was in attendance, don't know if he ever missed any game she played. And your right, he was your typical loud, obnoxious lacrosse parent, a typical YJ parent. No better and no worse than all the rest.This would be a great sport if we could rid of the parents.

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Maybe this explains why the TG parets are the way they are..... If the people leading the club have these behavioral traits, then they are encouraging the club parents to do the same. What a shame. There are other clubs out there that dont condone these actions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been on the sideline for many SS games that BS was in attendance, don't know if he ever missed any game she played. And your right, he was your typical loud, obnoxious lacrosse parent, a typical YJ parent. No better and no worse than all the rest.This would be a great sport if we could rid of the parents.

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Maybe this explains why the TG parets are the way they are..... If the people leading the club have these behavioral traits, then they are encouraging the club parents to do the same. What a shame. There are other clubs out there that dont condone these actions.

The bad parental behavior is not because of any club's directors. It starts way before that, and it's in every club, and every town. Some are worse than others, but it's everywhere. By the way, BS might get worked up on the sidelines once in a while, but he blasts parents for bad behavior, he doesn't condone it. He sent an email once telling parents to shut their mouths...that's not condoning it. It's the old "do as I say, not as I do".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been on the sideline for many SS games that BS was in attendance, don't know if he ever missed any game she played. And your right, he was your typical loud, obnoxious lacrosse parent, a typical YJ parent. No better and no worse than all the rest.This would be a great sport if we could rid of the parents.

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Maybe this explains why the TG parets are the way they are..... If the people leading the club have these behavioral traits, then they are encouraging the club parents to do the same. What a shame. There are other clubs out there that dont condone these actions.

No one condones these actions, and every club has crazies. End of story.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been on the sideline for many SS games that BS was in attendance, don't know if he ever missed any game she played. And your right, he was your typical loud, obnoxious lacrosse parent, a typical YJ parent. No better and no worse than all the rest.This would be a great sport if we could rid of the parents.

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Maybe this explains why the TG parets are the way they are..... If the people leading the club have these behavioral traits, then they are encouraging the club parents to do the same. What a shame. There are other clubs out there that dont condone these actions.

The bad parental behavior is not because of any club's directors. It starts way before that, and it's in every club, and every town. Some are worse than others, but it's everywhere. By the way, BS might get worked up on the sidelines once in a while, but he blasts parents for bad behavior, he doesn't condone it. He sent an email once telling parents to shut their mouths...that's not condoning it. It's the old "do as I say, not as I do".

Good leaders = lead by example. I would just leave it at that.

Last thing a club coach or adminstrator should do is misrepresent a bad situation (parents count) to a college coach. Hurts all the girls yet to come because the coach/admin no longer has credibility in the eyes of the affected college coach. Parents need to shut up if they really want to help their kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last thing a club coach or adminstrator should do is misrepresent a bad situation (parents count) to a college coach. Hurts all the girls yet to come because the coach/admin no longer has credibility in the eyes of the affected college coach. Parents need to shut up if they really want to help their kids.

Amen!

Nice job by TG at inline,was waiting for next game and got to watch your TG team beat a weak town team by a score of something around 28-3. Great sportsmanship showed , I especially like the way you were doubling the ball near the end of the game and the multiple yellow cards for sticks to the head. How many shots do you need to rocket off the opposing goalie before you tell the kids to pull it back a little.To the Riverhead parent that wanted to fight the TG coach , you need to calm down a little but you should have been mad at your own coach , once the TG kids got their 3 card for playing like thugs and hit that poor goalie with about 10 shots she should have just removed the kids from the field and called it a day. Nothing good was coming out of that game for either side.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice job by TG at inline,was waiting for next game and got to watch your TG team beat a weak town team by a score of something around 28-3. Great sportsmanship showed , I especially like the way you were doubling the ball near the end of the game and the multiple yellow cards for sticks to the head. How many shots do you need to rocket off the opposing goalie before you tell the kids to pull it back a little.To the Riverhead parent that wanted to fight the TG coach , you need to calm down a little but you should have been mad at your own coach , once the TG kids got their 3 card for playing like thugs and hit that poor goalie with about 10 shots she should have just removed the kids from the field and called it a day. Nothing good was coming out of that game for either side.

Top Guns is becoming more like the Yellow Jackets every day and not in a good way.

What age group was this game? I am curious to know if this was a TG coached team or a parent filling in for them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What age group was this game? I am curious to know if this was a TG coached team or a parent filling in for them?

Not sure but the chairman of the board was there himself so easily could have put an end to the beating .No exaggeration I think the score differential was 25 goals and they were doubling the ball and attacking the goal .Add in 3 or 4 yellow cards and a goalie getting hit 10 plus times and it was ridiculous . Be proud TG another great victory.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice job by TG at inline,was waiting for next game and got to watch your TG team beat a weak town team by a score of something around 28-3. Great sportsmanship showed , I especially like the way you were doubling the ball near the end of the game and the multiple yellow cards for sticks to the head. How many shots do you need to rocket off the opposing goalie before you tell the kids to pull it back a little.To the Riverhead parent that wanted to fight the TG coach , you need to calm down a little but you should have been mad at your own coach , once the TG kids got their 3 card for playing like thugs and hit that poor goalie with about 10 shots she should have just removed the kids from the field and called it a day. Nothing good was coming out of that game for either side.

Top Guns is becoming more like the Yellow Jackets every day and not in a good way.

There are many things a coach can and should do in games like these. Play off hand, give away the draw, three passes, quick stick only shots. I am sure the winning team kids and parents are just as upset as the losing team. Very bad job by inline pairing these teams but sometimes the blame goes on the coach or director of the team in over their heads. I have no problem with a team doubling on defense in a blow out. Even at tournaments these mismatches are a problem all too often.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What age group was this game? I am curious to know if this was a TG coached team or a parent filling in for them?

Not sure but the chairman of the board was there himself so easily could have put an end to the beating .No exaggeration I think the score differential was 25 goals and they were doubling the ball and attacking the goal .Add in 3 or 4 yellow cards and a goalie getting hit 10 plus times and it was ridiculous . Be proud TG another great victory.

Same exact thing we saw CR do to a Kings Park team last Monday night at KK. It was 20-3 around half time, and they stopped keeping score, but the beating continued. That's the director dishing out the beating herself! Happens with many different teams, and many programs, so unless you're new to the scene, and just learning, don't make it like this is a TG issue!

You are such a child "they did it first" . The person who posted it was posting something they witnessed and not comparing YJ and TG which seems that you TG people obsess over. You know so much about the KP YJ game , what ages, yellow cards, just curious?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are such a child "they did it first" . The person who posted it was posting something they witnessed and not comparing YJ and TG which seems that you TG people obsess over. You know so much about the KP YJ game , what ages, yellow cards, just curious?

I never said "they did it first". That person felt the need to come to the TG thread, and make it sound like that game is typical for TG, and described how horrible it was. My point was that I just happened to witness the same exact thing with another program, which happened to be the YJ's. I've witnessed it more than once with both TG and YJ. It happens. I'd never go out of my way to report it on the YJ thread. It happens a lot. Doesn't make it right, but it's certainly not big news for either program, and it happens with other programs, boys & girls! It's a varsity division, and I don't know about yellow cards. Who cares? My daughter's town team was getting beat up on the other field, so we turned around and watched some of the YJ KP game. That's all. No big deal, but same scenario...

the kings park game was 2018 yj (which is 8th graders) vs kings park varsity squad. yj switched to oppostite hands, stopped keeping score and worked on alot of plays. many involved over 10 passes before a shot was fired.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the kings park game was 2018 yj (which is 8th graders) vs kings park varsity squad. yj switched to oppostite hands, stopped keeping score and worked on alot of plays. many involved over 10 passes before a shot was fired.

KP was a mixed squad ranging from 8th grade and up, and what you're describing is not how we saw it. Whatever makes you feel good about yourself.

not exactly the same scenario as TG middle school team playing a town middle school team , running up the score , doubling the ball while up by 25 plus goals and playing thug ball collecting yellow card after yellow card. The good news at least when the TG coach was confronted he backed down from the fight which is at least a step in the right direction.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

not exactly the same scenario as TG middle school team playing a town middle school team , running up the score , doubling the ball while up by 25 plus goals and playing thug ball collecting yellow card after yellow card. The good news at least when the TG coach was confronted he backed down from the fight which is at least a step in the right direction.

Not exactly the same, but close enough to prove the point that it happens a lot, with various programs, coaches, and directors. If you stick around, you'll see it again. Move on already!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

not exactly the same scenario as TG middle school team playing a town middle school team , running up the score , doubling the ball while up by 25 plus goals and playing thug ball collecting yellow card after yellow card. The good news at least when the TG coach was confronted he backed down from the fight which is at least a step in the right direction.

Not exactly the same, but close enough to prove the point that it happens a lot, with various programs, coaches, and directors. If you stick around, you'll see it again. Move on already!

I do not think I will move along, TG , YJ , whoever is running it up should be ashamed of themselves.I can handle the score differential but when its obviously going to be lopsided getting yellow cards for sticks to the head and doubling the ball is ridiculous. These winter leagues should also know enough to stop keeping the score at 10 plus goals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

not exactly the same scenario as TG middle school team playing a town middle school team , running up the score , doubling the ball while up by 25 plus goals and playing thug ball collecting yellow card after yellow card. The good news at least when the TG coach was confronted he backed down from the fight which is at least a step in the right direction.

Not exactly the same, but close enough to prove the point that it happens a lot, with various programs, coaches, and directors. If you stick around, you'll see it again. Move on already!

I do not think I will move along, TG , YJ , whoever is running it up should be ashamed of themselves.I can handle the score differential but when its obviously going to be lopsided getting yellow cards for sticks to the head and doubling the ball is ridiculous. These winter leagues should also know enough to stop keeping the score at 10 plus goals.

O.K. Got It! Thanks...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

not exactly the same scenario as TG middle school team playing a town middle school team , running up the score , doubling the ball while up by 25 plus goals and playing thug ball collecting yellow card after yellow card. The good news at least when the TG coach was confronted he backed down from the fight which is at least a step in the right direction.

Not exactly the same, but close enough to prove the point that it happens a lot, with various programs, coaches, and directors. If you stick around, you'll see it again. Move on already!

I do not think I will move along, TG , YJ , whoever is running it up should be ashamed of themselves.I can handle the score differential but when its obviously going to be lopsided getting yellow cards for sticks to the head and doubling the ball is ridiculous. These winter leagues should also know enough to stop keeping the score at 10 plus goals.

I agree with you 100% on all of what you just said, so I'm going to move on!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

not exactly the same scenario as TG middle school team playing a town middle school team , running up the score , doubling the ball while up by 25 plus goals and playing thug ball collecting yellow card after yellow card. The good news at least when the TG coach was confronted he backed down from the fight which is at least a step in the right direction.

coaches who obnoxiously run up the score - not good.

parents who try to assault the obnoxious coach - also not good. not worth the jail time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

not exactly the same scenario as TG middle school team playing a town middle school team , running up the score , doubling the ball while up by 25 plus goals and playing thug ball collecting yellow card after yellow card. The good news at least when the TG coach was confronted he backed down from the fight which is at least a step in the right direction.

Not exactly the same, but close enough to prove the point that it happens a lot, with various programs, coaches, and directors. If you stick around, you'll see it again. Move on already!

I do not think I will move along, TG , YJ , whoever is running it up should be ashamed of themselves.I can handle the score differential but when its obviously going to be lopsided getting yellow cards for sticks to the head and doubling the ball is ridiculous. These winter leagues should also know enough to stop keeping the score at 10 plus goals.

Perhaps the coach of the weaker team should also not put their team in that division, but work on stick and game skills in practice sessions as many of these teams do in the off season. Not condoning the score at all, but the coaches are also responsible for where they place the team and to let the directors know their skill level so games can be scheduled accordingly. For the Dad who thought he would be the hero by threatening the TG coach, if your team is weak get used to those games especially if it is tournament season. Coming from the coaching side at times it can be hard to pull girls back when they are used to that level of play. This is a NO WIN situation for both teams and they never should have been matched up!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

not exactly the same scenario as TG middle school team playing a town middle school team , running up the score , doubling the ball while up by 25 plus goals and playing thug ball collecting yellow card after yellow card. The good news at least when the TG coach was confronted he backed down from the fight which is at least a step in the right direction.

Not exactly the same, but close enough to prove the point that it happens a lot, with various programs, coaches, and directors. If you stick around, you'll see it again. Move on already!

I do not think I will move along, TG , YJ , whoever is running it up should be ashamed of themselves.I can handle the score differential but when its obviously going to be lopsided getting yellow cards for sticks to the head and doubling the ball is ridiculous. These winter leagues should also know enough to stop keeping the score at 10 plus goals.

Perhaps the coach of the weaker team should also not put their team in that division, but work on stick and game skills in practice sessions as many of these teams do in the off season. Not condoning the score at all, but the coaches are also responsible for where they place the team and to let the directors know their skill level so games can be scheduled accordingly. For the Dad who thought he would be the hero by threatening the TG coach, if your team is weak get used to those games especially if it is tournament season. Coming from the coaching side at times it can be hard to pull girls back when they are used to that level of play. This is a NO WIN situation for both teams and they never should have been matched up!!!

Exactly!

Every winter league I've ever been in has lopsided divisions. It's one of the things that make me not like winter leagues. My daughter's HS fields a varsity and JV team in winter league but there are never enough players so it's always a mix of 8th - 12th graders, and more ofent than not we're playing teams composed of a broad mix as well. At least our league is all school teams because I'd hate for our mixed-level HS team to come up against a HS-level club team, yet that's where club teams find themselves. It's a crap sitaution.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Every winter league I've ever been in has lopsided divisions. It's one of the things that make me not like winter leagues. My daughter's HS fields a varsity and JV team in winter league but there are never enough players so it's always a mix of 8th - 12th graders, and more ofent than not we're playing teams composed of a broad mix as well. At least our league is all school teams because I'd hate for our mixed-level HS team to come up against a HS-level club team, yet that's where club teams find themselves. It's a crap sitaution.

Agreed Powder. I really do not see much benefit to these indoor leagues for lax. Daughter played last year and did not find it very helpful for the spring season. They are typically unbalanced in terms of the talent and team level, they don't have the actual coaches coaching the teams in some instances, and it does not simulate the outdoor experience. While girls do get stick time and catching and throwing they could do the same practicing with their own team in an indoor facility. A scrimmage outside against another team once in awhile if the weather settles a bit would be better. The winter is for one thing only. Training. That's how parents/coaches need to view it. Running around aimlessly for 60 mins and not having girls work on their weaker hand, scooping correctly, switching hands, moving off the ball correctly is what they should be focusing on. Not scores.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Every winter league I've ever been in has lopsided divisions. It's one of the things that make me not like winter leagues. My daughter's HS fields a varsity and JV team in winter league but there are never enough players so it's always a mix of 8th - 12th graders, and more ofent than not we're playing teams composed of a broad mix as well. At least our league is all school teams because I'd hate for our mixed-level HS team to come up against a HS-level club team, yet that's where club teams find themselves. It's a crap sitaution.

Agreed Powder. I really do not see much benefit to these indoor leagues for lax. Daughter played last year and did not find it very helpful for the spring season. They are typically unbalanced in terms of the talent and team level, they don't have the actual coaches coaching the teams in some instances, and it does not simulate the outdoor experience. While girls do get stick time and catching and throwing they could do the same practicing with their own team in an indoor facility. A scrimmage outside against another team once in awhile if the weather settles a bit would be better. The winter is for one thing only. Training. That's how parents/coaches need to view it. Running around aimlessly for 60 mins and not having girls work on their weaker hand, scooping correctly, switching hands, moving off the ball correctly is what they should be focusing on. Not scores.

Agree 100%.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Every winter league I've ever been in has lopsided divisions. It's one of the things that make me not like winter leagues. My daughter's HS fields a varsity and JV team in winter league but there are never enough players so it's always a mix of 8th - 12th graders, and more ofent than not we're playing teams composed of a broad mix as well. At least our league is all school teams because I'd hate for our mixed-level HS team to come up against a HS-level club team, yet that's where club teams find themselves. It's a crap sitaution.

Agreed Powder. I really do not see much benefit to these indoor leagues for lax. Daughter played last year and did not find it very helpful for the spring season. They are typically unbalanced in terms of the talent and team level, they don't have the actual coaches coaching the teams in some instances, and it does not simulate the outdoor experience. While girls do get stick time and catching and throwing they could do the same practicing with their own team in an indoor facility. A scrimmage outside against another team once in awhile if the weather settles a bit would be better. The winter is for one thing only. Training. That's how parents/coaches need to view it. Running around aimlessly for 60 mins and not having girls work on their weaker hand, scooping correctly, switching hands, moving off the ball correctly is what they should be focusing on. Not scores.

Agree 100%.

TG should have done exactly what they did for the first half of winter at Coastal. Inline is a total waste of time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Every winter league I've ever been in has lopsided divisions. It's one of the things that make me not like winter leagues. My daughter's HS fields a varsity and JV team in winter league but there are never enough players so it's always a mix of 8th - 12th graders, and more ofent than not we're playing teams composed of a broad mix as well. At least our league is all school teams because I'd hate for our mixed-level HS team to come up against a HS-level club team, yet that's where club teams find themselves. It's a crap sitaution.

Agreed Powder. I really do not see much benefit to these indoor leagues for lax. Daughter played last year and did not find it very helpful for the spring season. They are typically unbalanced in terms of the talent and team level, they don't have the actual coaches coaching the teams in some instances, and it does not simulate the outdoor experience. While girls do get stick time and catching and throwing they could do the same practicing with their own team in an indoor facility. A scrimmage outside against another team once in awhile if the weather settles a bit would be better. The winter is for one thing only. Training. That's how parents/coaches need to view it. Running around aimlessly for 60 mins and not having girls work on their weaker hand, scooping correctly, switching hands, moving off the ball correctly is what they should be focusing on. Not scores.

Agree 100%.

TG should have done exactly what they did for the first half of winter at Coastal. Inline is a total waste of time.

Next year...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

not exactly the same scenario as TG middle school team playing a town middle school team , running up the score , doubling the ball while up by 25 plus goals and playing thug ball collecting yellow card after yellow card. The good news at least when the TG coach was confronted he backed down from the fight which is at least a step in the right direction.

Adults are such idiots. Bet daddy tough guy really drove his point home to the middle school girls subjected to watching this nonsense. Congrats.

I have seen and played that TG team at in line and honestly they are not well coached. Not a lot of passing going on and have some girls struggling w the basics. Seems their main game plan is to run fake plays that are actually isolations for the kid w the ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have seen and played that TG team at in line and honestly they are not well coached. Not a lot of passing going on and have some girls struggling w the basics. Seems their main game plan is to run fake plays that are actually isolations for the kid w the ball.

what team? Year and color?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have seen and played that TG team at in line and honestly they are not well coached. Not a lot of passing going on and have some girls struggling w the basics. Seems their main game plan is to run fake plays that are actually isolations for the kid w the ball.

what team? Year and color?

More importantly, what team does his/her daughter play for? If it his such a strong team with such a great coach maybe i will look into having my daughter try out for the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have seen and played that TG team at in line and honestly they are not well coached. Not a lot of passing going on and have some girls struggling w the basics. Seems their main game plan is to run fake plays that are actually isolations for the kid w the ball.

what team? Year and color?

More importantly, what team does his/her daughter play for? If it his such a strong team with such a great coach maybe i will look into having my daughter try out for the team.

You are likely looking at a strong group of players who are playing at inline with a parent whose only roll is to keep the sub lines rotating. TGs coaches are almost exclusively current or recent college players, who are currently away at school. Obvious pros and cons to this model of coaching, in some cases the girls make an incredible bond with these coaches, sometimes not. I am a fan of mature adult coaches as well, so long as there is no mommy/daddy connection. In any event, you can't ask these girls to stop doubling, stop playing defense and let the other team to goal, its not a part of their DNA, and that is even more embarrassing for the other team. Learn from it, careful where you place your teams, and move on.

Just saw this same coach, coach a team and verse a yellow jacket team. ALL of the girls, coaches and parents could not have been more supportive and appropriate through what amounted to be a very good and intense game. It was a wonderfully refreshing reminder to see that great play and behavior is not the exception.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw this same coach, coach a team and verse a yellow jacket team. ALL of the girls, coaches and parents could not have been more supportive and appropriate through what amounted to be a very good and intense game. It was a wonderfully refreshing reminder to see that great play and behavior is not the exception.

Have to say my daughters town team played the team you are talking about and they showed great sportsmanship. They could have won by 25 but practiced shooting with their off hand and when cutting to the cage only faked a shot and then passed to a teammate. They never played keep away which is a good thing because the girls find that very demoralizing. Good job and thanks!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by teamelevate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great job by Team Elevate trying something new. Seems TG is very helpful in recruiting process also.

Does anyone have real details about what Elevate is doing? What schools, how many days, is it open to non-Elevate players?

I did not want to hijack the TG thread but I thought that if you wanted the details I would let you know them. This is a team organized event and not a parent event. We are visiting the following schools via a coach bus in this order Yale, UCONN, Boston College, Harvard, Brown, Bryant, Connecticut College and Fairfield.

I think it is a great idea.

My friends daughter attended this trip and said it was incredible. They said that she has not stopped talking about it since she got back. I do not have all of the details but was told that they met with all of the schools listed above, met the coaches and had Q&A time with players at each school, saw the locker rooms, training facilities at most of the school as well as private tour of each school, had meals with some of the teams and coaches and watched practices and scrimmages. Said it was very well organized and a great way to really see and hear from a variety of colleges as you start to get introduced to looking at schools. If anybody attended and can add or comment would love to hear more.

All I can say is that Elevate has raised the bar for what a travel team could do for our children. Great job Elevate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by teamelevate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great job by Team Elevate trying something new. Seems TG is very helpful in recruiting process also.

Does anyone have real details about what Elevate is doing? What schools, how many days, is it open to non-Elevate players?

I did not want to hijack the TG thread but I thought that if you wanted the details I would let you know them. This is a team organized event and not a parent event. We are visiting the following schools via a coach bus in this order Yale, UCONN, Boston College, Harvard, Brown, Bryant, Connecticut College and Fairfield.

I think it is a great idea.

My friends daughter attended this trip and said it was incredible. They said that she has not stopped talking about it since she got back. I do not have all of the details but was told that they met with all of the schools listed above, met the coaches and had Q&A time with players at each school, saw the locker rooms, training facilities at most of the school as well as private tour of each school, had meals with some of the teams and coaches and watched practices and scrimmages. Said it was very well organized and a great way to really see and hear from a variety of colleges as you start to get introduced to looking at schools. If anybody attended and can add or comment would love to hear more.

All I can say is that Elevate has raised the bar for what a travel team could do for our children. Great job Elevate.

If you think that any club can or will be a better advocate for your child then you are you're in for a big let down. Remember everyone in the recruiting process is selling you something that most of them can't deliver. You can be a solid C student, but Harvard won't discourage you from sending in your application accompanied by your CHECK, knowing full well that you have no shot at being accepted - this is one of the biggest scams in the entire college admissions process. When it's not about the money, it's always about the money. This concept seems like an extension of the nanny state that we are becoming, perhaps parents should take responsibility for their own kids and have a plan in place, make sure that their grades are good and their expectations are realistic - just a thought.

My daughter went on the Elevate trip. I thought she was too young but she wanted to go. It gave her a great feel for what was out there and a general idea of what she might be interested in in terms of size, setting, academics, etc. Will anyone get recruited as a direct result of the trip�probably not. But it gave them an introduction to the coaches and schools. It was very well-organized. I don't think this was handing off the recruiting process to someone else. Parents were invited and also got some valuable information about the recruiting process if they have never gone through it before.

Good Job Team Elevate!! Just giving the girls exposure to what a college looks like what life is like for a student athlete etc. It starts to plant the seeds in their brains. They don't have to get an offer but its good for the girls to go and compare colleges and facilities. We try to stop at a college near our tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter went on the Elevate trip. I thought she was too young but she wanted to go. It gave her a great feel for what was out there and a general idea of what she might be interested in in terms of size, setting, academics, etc. Will anyone get recruited as a direct result of the trip�probably not. But it gave them an introduction to the coaches and schools. It was very well-organized. I don't think this was handing off the recruiting process to someone else. Parents were invited and also got some valuable information about the recruiting process if they have never gone through it before.

Heard people talking about it today at Sportshub. Sounded like all positive coments about the college trip Elevate put together for the girls. Kudos to Elevate for moving things forward hopefully for all the girls programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by teamelevate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great job by Team Elevate trying something new. Seems TG is very helpful in recruiting process also.

Does anyone have real details about what Elevate is doing? What schools, how many days, is it open to non-Elevate players?

I did not want to hijack the TG thread but I thought that if you wanted the details I would let you know them. This is a team organized event and not a parent event. We are visiting the following schools via a coach bus in this order Yale, UCONN, Boston College, Harvard, Brown, Bryant, Connecticut College and Fairfield.

I think it is a great idea.

My friends daughter attended this trip and said it was incredible. They said that she has not stopped talking about it since she got back. I do not have all of the details but was told that they met with all of the schools listed above, met the coaches and had Q&A time with players at each school, saw the locker rooms, training facilities at most of the school as well as private tour of each school, had meals with some of the teams and coaches and watched practices and scrimmages. Said it was very well organized and a great way to really see and hear from a variety of colleges as you start to get introduced to looking at schools. If anybody attended and can add or comment would love to hear more.

All I can say is that Elevate has raised the bar for what a travel team could do for our children. Great job Elevate.

If you think that any club can or will be a better advocate for your child then you are you're in for a big let down. Remember everyone in the recruiting process is selling you something that most of them can't deliver. You can be a solid C student, but Harvard won't discourage you from sending in your application accompanied by your CHECK, knowing full well that you have no shot at being accepted - this is one of the biggest scams in the entire college admissions process. When it's not about the money, it's always about the money. This concept seems like an extension of the nanny state that we are becoming, perhaps parents should take responsibility for their own kids and have a plan in place, make sure that their grades are good and their expectations are realistic - just a thought.

Hey, Debbie Downer, the program (Elevate) tried to change it up and do something different. I'm sure most parents know that this introduction to the college/recruiting scene is not "instead" of the parents and student/athlete's efforts.It is in addition too and may actually help them all with a starting point for their search... Nice job Elevate!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw this same coach, coach a team and verse a yellow jacket team. ALL of the girls, coaches and parents could not have been more supportive and appropriate through what amounted to be a very good and intense game. It was a wonderfully refreshing reminder to see that great play and behavior is not the exception.

Have to say my daughters town team played the team you are talking about and they showed great sportsmanship. They could have won by 25 but practiced shooting with their off hand and when cutting to the cage only faked a shot and then passed to a teammate. They never played keep away which is a good thing because the girls find that very demoralizing. Good job and thanks!

That's the issue when games are non competitive what is the better team supposed to do , its a no win situation. Keep away is viewed by some as demoralizing while others view fake shots demoralizing.

This bus tour could be a stand alone business idea, a recruiting tour and offer your basic recruiting services that people seem to charge top dollar for. Should run weekend visits to one or two schools on winter weekends .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw this same coach, coach a team and verse a yellow jacket team. ALL of the girls, coaches and parents could not have been more supportive and appropriate through what amounted to be a very good and intense game. It was a wonderfully refreshing reminder to see that great play and behavior is not the exception.

Have to say my daughters town team played the team you are talking about and they showed great sportsmanship. They could have won by 25 but practiced shooting with their off hand and when cutting to the cage only faked a shot and then passed to a teammate. They never played keep away which is a good thing because the girls find that very demoralizing. Good job and thanks!

That's the issue when games are non competitive what is the better team supposed to do , its a no win situation. Keep away is viewed by some as demoralizing while others view fake shots demoralizing.

What do you get out of holding the ball/pulling a shot against and overmatched team. Chuck it to the far corner or shoot into the goalies stick. Then work on your settled D and defending the clear.

nobody ever did answer what team was the one being talked about? Just curious.

Let the politics begin!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let the politics begin!

Go away, you do not have to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let the politics begin!

Go away, you do not have to play.

Anyone know when they are going to contact players who made it? Lot's of talent there last night.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let the politics begin!

Go away, you do not have to play.

Anyone know when they are going to contact players who made it? Lot's of talent there last night.

What are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let the politics begin!

Go away, you do not have to play.

Anyone know when they are going to contact players who made it? Lot's of talent there last night.

What are you talking about?

I'm assuming they are talking about the U15 Championship roster

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let the politics begin!

Go away, you do not have to play.

Anyone know when they are going to contact players who made it? Lot's of talent there last night.

What are you talking about?

U15 team tryouts were last night

Interesting that they have the tryouts so early , it seems TG take this tournament very seriously considering its just for one tournament that this team will play together. I assume that they have practices etc. My older daughter did the U15 tournament a few years ago with another club and they just sort of slapped a team together and had one or maybe two practices. I wonder if the tournament being in Colorado this year will make any difference in terms of the teams that go.

We went last year, it was a blast, good luck to this years team. I think the main reason they try to establish the team so early is so that they can do some fundraising. as far as the tourney moving to Colorado as long as the same teams from MD & LI are there one of them will take the title.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting that they have the tryouts so early , it seems TG take this tournament very seriously considering its just for one tournament that this team will play together. I assume that they have practices etc. My older daughter did the U15 tournament a few years ago with another club and they just sort of slapped a team together and had one or maybe two practices. I wonder if the tournament being in Colorado this year will make any difference in terms of the teams that go.

It seems to be one of the top sought after championships. TGs puts a special team together and sends them 1000 miles or more away to play. YJs puts two teams together to try and win it. Nearly all the other summer club championship tournaments are local money making deals, this one I'm sure makes it's money but is sponsored by a much bigger and nationally recognized organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting that they have the tryouts so early , it seems TG take this tournament very seriously considering its just for one tournament that this team will play together. I assume that they have practices etc. My older daughter did the U15 tournament a few years ago with another club and they just sort of slapped a team together and had one or maybe two practices. I wonder if the tournament being in Colorado this year will make any difference in terms of the teams that go.

It seems to be one of the top sought after championships. TGs puts a special team together and sends them 1000 miles or more away to play. YJs puts two teams together to try and win it. Nearly all the other summer club championship tournaments are local money making deals, this one I'm sure makes it's money but is sponsored by a much bigger and nationally recognized organization.

Why doesn't Top Guns put in 2 teams if they have the talent?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting that they have the tryouts so early , it seems TG take this tournament very seriously considering its just for one tournament that this team will play together. I assume that they have practices etc. My older daughter did the U15 tournament a few years ago with another club and they just sort of slapped a team together and had one or maybe two practices. I wonder if the tournament being in Colorado this year will make any difference in terms of the teams that go.

It seems to be one of the top sought after championships. TGs puts a special team together and sends them 1000 miles or more away to play. YJs puts two teams together to try and win it. Nearly all the other summer club championship tournaments are local money making deals, this one I'm sure makes it's money but is sponsored by a much bigger and nationally recognized organization.

Why doesn't Top Guns put in 2 teams if they have the talent?

Probably because it's twice the amount of headaches with parents, flights, hotel rooms, pratices, etc...for a 2nd, less competitive team. Much easier to just manage one team, with all the best players. YJ 2017 will probably win it all anyway...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting that they have the tryouts so early , it seems TG take this tournament very seriously considering its just for one tournament that this team will play together. I assume that they have practices etc. My older daughter did the U15 tournament a few years ago with another club and they just sort of slapped a team together and had one or maybe two practices. I wonder if the tournament being in Colorado this year will make any difference in terms of the teams that go.

It seems to be one of the top sought after championships. TGs puts a special team together and sends them 1000 miles or more away to play. YJs puts two teams together to try and win it. Nearly all the other summer club championship tournaments are local money making deals, this one I'm sure makes it's money but is sponsored by a much bigger and nationally recognized organization.

Why doesn't Top Guns put in 2 teams if they have the talent?

Probably because it's twice the amount of headaches with parents, flights, hotel rooms, pratices, etc...for a 2nd, less competitive team. Much easier to just manage one team, with all the best players. YJ 2017 will probably win it all anyway...

The YJ second team has a history of doing better than the first team in this tournament. If the second team plays "lacrosse" and the first team is made up of all " go to goal golden girls" .......well you know what happens.

YJ puts in two teams because they get two bids. The 2017 team should do well but it's anyone's game at this point. They play very well as a team and I can't imagine that would change in this tournament even with the few 16s and maybe a few '18s that will make up the tournament team this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting that they have the tryouts so early , it seems TG take this tournament very seriously considering its just for one tournament that this team will play together. I assume that they have practices etc. My older daughter did the U15 tournament a few years ago with another club and they just sort of slapped a team together and had one or maybe two practices. I wonder if the tournament being in Colorado this year will make any difference in terms of the teams that go.

It seems to be one of the top sought after championships. TGs puts a special team together and sends them 1000 miles or more away to play. YJs puts two teams together to try and win it. Nearly all the other summer club championship tournaments are local money making deals, this one I'm sure makes it's money but is sponsored by a much bigger and nationally recognized organization.

Why doesn't Top Guns put in 2 teams if they have the talent?

Probably because it's twice the amount of headaches with parents, flights, hotel rooms, pratices, etc...for a 2nd, less competitive team. Much easier to just manage one team, with all the best players. YJ 2017 will probably win it all anyway...

The YJ second team has a history of doing better than the first team in this tournament. If the second team plays "lacrosse" and the first team is made up of all " go to goal golden girls" .......well you know what happens.

The 2nd team did better in only 1 year and was more a result of placement in the brackets than team play.

YJ does not get two bids every year , last year the 2nd team played in and won a regional tournament to qualify. That being said obviously TG can put in a very competitive team having won it last year but I do not believe they are deep enough with talent at this point to be able to put in 2 competitive teams. YJ will be tough to beat this year as their 2017 team is a strong team and several of the stronger 2016 kids are eligible and I would think will be encouraged to play unlike years past. They also have some very good individual 2018 players that will contribute.If the 2016 kids that are eligible play go I think they will be the favorites.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJ does not get two bids every year , last year the 2nd team played in and won a regional tournament to qualify. That being said obviously TG can put in a very competitive team having won it last year but I do not believe they are deep enough with talent at this point to be able to put in 2 competitive teams. YJ will be tough to beat this year as their 2017 team is a strong team and several of the stronger 2016 kids are eligible and I would think will be encouraged to play unlike years past. They also have some very good individual 2018 players that will contribute.If the 2016 kids that are eligible play go I think they will be the favorites.

You're right. TG would have to qualify a 2nd team, and they're not deep enough to be competitive at that level. YJ will definitely be the favorites.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJ does not get two bids every year , last year the 2nd team played in and won a regional tournament to qualify. That being said obviously TG can put in a very competitive team having won it last year but I do not believe they are deep enough with talent at this point to be able to put in 2 competitive teams. YJ will be tough to beat this year as their 2017 team is a strong team and several of the stronger 2016 kids are eligible and I would think will be encouraged to play unlike years past. They also have some very good individual 2018 players that will contribute.If the 2016 kids that are eligible play go I think they will be the favorites.

You're right. TG would have to qualify a 2nd team, and they're not deep enough to be competitive at that level. YJ will definitely be the favorites.

Several teams in the tourney every year that did not go through qualifying. Every year there are vacant slots that need to be filled.

Any idea who is coaching this team this year? My daughter tried out and made it but isn't sure if the Smith's are doing it again?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any idea who is coaching this team this year? My daughter tried out and made it but isn't sure if the Smith's are doing it again?

If your daughter made it then she should know as it was stated clearly.

Unfortunate that Shannon won't be out there again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunate that Shannon won't be out there again.

Came out from under the rock just long enough to type a few words. Go back under it, its where you belong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunate that Shannon won't be out there again.

Came out from under the rock just long enough to type a few words. Go back under it, its where you belong.

What's with the hostility people...? Although I do agree, talent is talent and these girls have it. The two coaches they have are amazing, our family knows from experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Unfortunate that Shannon won't be out there again.

Came out from under the rock just long enough to type a few words. Go back under it, its where you belong. [/quote

I honestly do not get the anger here. I also do not get what the big deal is if other people know who is coaching the U15 team.

Who will reign king of 2020 TG parents? We shall find out this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who will reign king of 2020 TG parents? We shall find out this weekend.

Give it a rest. These girls are 11 and 12 years old. And you, how old are you? Why stir the pot, it's just a game.

I am confused. There are no top gun teams entered this weekend. Am I missing something?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am confused. There are no top gun teams entered this weekend. Am I missing something?

half the girls are from yj's, it is a great mix of good talent.

Well put! Obviously not part of program as those that are, have been nothing but friendly and inviting to all the players. Girls will play, have fun and compete. Leave it alone. These girls do not need to victimized by your malicious intent to disrupt, disrespect and dismantle a program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who will reign king of 2020 TG parents? We shall find out this weekend.

Good luck to the new YJ members on one of those daddy teams , just remember the golden rule , pass the ball to daddy's girl and get out of the way she is going to goal.

My 2020 top gun daughter was not asked to play on a team this weekend. That in not fair and I am complaining to Bill Smith.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Who will reign king of 2020 TG parents? We shall find out this weekend.

Good luck to the new YJ members on one of those daddy teams , just remember the golden rule , pass the ball to daddy's girl and get out of the way she is going to goal.

Will mommy yj's daughter be playing with TG girls or yj in this tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am confused. There are no top gun teams entered this weekend. Am I missing something?

There are no 2020 TG teams entered. There are 2 different teams (playing eachother) that the majority of the 2020 girls play on and do fall/winter/spring tournaments. I believe both teams also have "other" girls on them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who will reign king of 2020 TG parents? We shall find out this weekend.

Give it a rest. These girls are 11 and 12 years old. And you, how old are you? Why stir the pot, it's just a game.

Two good teams with lots of talented young ladies on both sides!! Should be a good game! How fortunate that they all (TG girls anyway) come together in the summer, play together and have a great team! Let's leave ALL the "daddy crap" out of it and focus on the girls!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who will reign king of 2020 TG parents? We shall find out this weekend.

Give it a rest. These girls are 11 and 12 years old. And you, how old are you? Why stir the pot, it's just a game.

Two good teams with lots of talented young ladies on both sides!! Should be a good game! How fortunate that they all (TG girls anyway) come together in the summer, play together and have a great team! Let's leave ALL the "daddy crap" out of it and focus on the girls!!!!!

I can't believe that all you 2020 parents haven't learned to act like adults yet (both clubs). Saw this same thing with 2019, they have settled down and moved along relatively quite. Your time of making complete fools of yourselves is just about up, time to move over and laugh at the 2021 parents who will likely do the same thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who will reign king of 2020 TG parents? We shall find out this weekend.

Give it a rest. These girls are 11 and 12 years old. And you, how old are you? Why stir the pot, it's just a game.

Two good teams with lots of talented young ladies on both sides!! Should be a good game! How fortunate that they all (TG girls anyway) come together in the summer, play together and have a great team! Let's leave ALL the "daddy crap" out of it and focus on the girls!!!!!

Thats a great idea maybe this tournament TG daddy will do that and get all the girls into the games . If he were focused on the girls he would have been able to get them all into the game last time we had the pleasure of playing for him.Just disgusting that anyone would be that desperate to win a 6th grade game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who will reign king of 2020 TG parents? We shall find out this weekend.

Give it a rest. These girls are 11 and 12 years old. And you, how old are you? Why stir the pot, it's just a game.

Two good teams with lots of talented young ladies on both sides!! Should be a good game! How fortunate that they all (TG girls anyway) come together in the summer, play together and have a great team! Let's leave ALL the "daddy crap" out of it and focus on the girls!!!!!

Thats a great idea maybe this tournament TG daddy will do that and get all the girls into the games . If he were focused on the girls he would have been able to get them all into the game last time we had the pleasure of playing for him.Just disgusting that anyone would be that desperate to win a 6th grade game.

You all sound pretty desperate!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who will reign king of 2020 TG parents? We shall find out this weekend.

Give it a rest. These girls are 11 and 12 years old. And you, how old are you? Why stir the pot, it's just a game.

Two good teams with lots of talented young ladies on both sides!! Should be a good game! How fortunate that they all (TG girls anyway) come together in the summer, play together and have a great team! Let's leave ALL the "daddy crap" out of it and focus on the girls!!!!!

this...Good luck girls...Who are all great friends by the way...only thing that should matter is working hard for this summer season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who will reign king of 2020 TG parents? We shall find out this weekend.

Give it a rest. These girls are 11 and 12 years old. And you, how old are you? Why stir the pot, it's just a game.

Two good teams with lots of talented young ladies on both sides!! Should be a good game! How fortunate that they all (TG girls anyway) come together in the summer, play together and have a great team! Let's leave ALL the "daddy crap" out of it and focus on the girls!!!!!

this...Good luck girls...Who are all great friends by the way...only thing that should matter is working hard for this summer season.

This is all about giant egos. Instead of having all of the girls from one team play together, like they will in the summer, the daddy's put together their little all-star team. Now they can go to work and tell all their friends what a great coach they are because they won a meaningless tournament with a stacked team. How the club directors allow this to go on is shocking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Who will reign king of 2020 TG parents? We shall find out this weekend.

Give it a rest. These girls are 11 and 12 years old. And you, how old are you? Why stir the pot, it's just a game.

Two good teams with lots of talented young ladies on both sides!! Should be a good game! How fortunate that they all (TG girls anyway) come together in the summer, play together and have a great team! Let's leave ALL the "daddy crap" out of it and focus on the girls!!!!!

this...Good luck girls...Who are all great friends by the way...only thing that should matter is working hard for this summer season.

This is all about giant egos. Instead of having all of the girls from one team play together, like they will in the summer, the daddy's put together their little all-star team. Now they can go to work and tell all their friends what a great coach they are because they won a meaningless tournament with a stacked team. How the club directors allow this to go on is shocking.

Very shocking. CR would never allow this to happen it would mean less money in her pocket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who will reign king of 2020 TG parents? We shall find out this weekend.

Give it a rest. These girls are 11 and 12 years old. And you, how old are you? Why stir the pot, it's just a game.

Two good teams with lots of talented young ladies on both sides!! Should be a good game! How fortunate that they all (TG girls anyway) come together in the summer, play together and have a great team! Let's leave ALL the "daddy crap" out of it and focus on the girls!!!!!

this...Good luck girls...Who are all great friends by the way...only thing that should matter is working hard for this summer season.

This is all about giant egos. Instead of having all of the girls from one team play together, like they will in the summer, the daddy's put together their little all-star team. Now they can go to work and tell all their friends what a great coach they are because they won a meaningless tournament with a stacked team. How the club directors allow this to go on is shocking.

So untrue. One of these two groups has been playing these local tourneys together since 3rd grade, before they were even top gun girls. Get over it. Just look at the demographic makeup of the two teams and see how they all know each other based on where they live. But you don't know that, well, because you're trolling and looking to make more out of it then it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Who will reign king of 2020 TG parents? We shall find out this weekend.

Give it a rest. These girls are 11 and 12 years old. And you, how old are you? Why stir the pot, it's just a game.

Two good teams with lots of talented young ladies on both sides!! Should be a good game! How fortunate that they all (TG girls anyway) come together in the summer, play together and have a great team! Let's leave ALL the "daddy crap" out of it and focus on the girls!!!!!

this...Good luck girls...Who are all great friends by the way...only thing that should matter is working hard for this summer season.

This is all about giant egos. Instead of having all of the girls from one team play together, like they will in the summer, the daddy's put together their little all-star team. Now they can go to work and tell all their friends what a great coach they are because they won a meaningless tournament with a stacked team. How the club directors allow this to go on is shocking.

Very shocking. CR would never allow this to happen it would mean less money in her pocket.

There are yj parents bringing broken teams and even yj players on the two teams your talking about, so you are clueless. Did you notice that these tournaments are 7 v 7? You really want to go to these things with your travel roster or town team of 25 girls? Sad truth is you need about 10 girls to play these tournaments, so your choice is bring the whole team and have the girls watch most of the game from sideline, or select some friends and players and watch all the parents of the non select cry instead of getting off their lazy asses and being proactive, or sit at home. Seriously if you feel your daughter was left out back with others, get together and enter a team, it would probably take less effort than all the time you spend crying on the message boards.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Who will reign king of 2020 TG parents? We shall find out this weekend.

Give it a rest. These girls are 11 and 12 years old. And you, how old are you? Why stir the pot, it's just a game.

Two good teams with lots of talented young ladies on both sides!! Should be a good game! How fortunate that they all (TG girls anyway) come together in the summer, play together and have a great team! Let's leave ALL the "daddy crap" out of it and focus on the girls!!!!!

this...Good luck girls...Who are all great friends by the way...only thing that should matter is working hard for this summer season.

This is all about giant egos. Instead of having all of the girls from one team play together, like they will in the summer, the daddy's put together their little all-star team. Now they can go to work and tell all their friends what a great coach they are because they won a meaningless tournament with a stacked team. How the club directors allow this to go on is shocking.

Very shocking. CR would never allow this to happen it would mean less money in her pocket.

There are yj parents bringing broken teams and even yj players on the two teams your talking about, so you are clueless. Did you notice that these tournaments are 7 v 7? You really want to go to these things with your travel roster or town team of 25 girls? Sad truth is you need about 10 girls to play these tournaments, so your choice is bring the whole team and have the girls watch most of the game from sideline, or select some friends and players and watch all the parents of the non select cry instead of getting off their lazy asses and being proactive, or sit at home. Seriously if you feel your daughter was left out back with others, get together and enter a team, it would probably take less effort than all the time you spend crying on the message boards.

This tournament is not 7 v 7. Would have been a great opportunity to have the team, with its new players, get everyone together to play. YJ are doing that in numerous age groups, including 2020. Instead, there are some girls new to the TG black sitting home, while the some of the malcontent YJ parents kids were asked to play. Just feel that the new kids are getting the shaft. And I'm not talking about the LR.

Put it to rest already! These are not tg teams but localized teams that have been playing together for a few years and pre-dating any affiliation with the tg club. Want in? Ask!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Put it to rest already! These are not tg teams but localized teams that have been playing together for a few years and pre-dating any affiliation with the tg club. Want in? Ask!

Green Machine is NOT a local team. So please stop the BS. They ask whoever they think will better the chances of the coaches kid. If you really thought it was a local team playing together for years, you wouldn't be trying so hard to defend it. Good Luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Put it to rest already! These are not tg teams but localized teams that have been playing together for a few years and pre-dating any affiliation with the tg club. Want in? Ask!

Green Machine is NOT a local team. So please stop the BS. They ask whoever they think will better the chances of the coaches kid. If you really thought it was a local team playing together for years, you wouldn't be trying so hard to defend it. Good Luck.

No Green Machine is not a local team! They started playing together a year ago. Green Machine asked all the girls to form a team who weren't asked to play by the original "daddy" team . What is the difference where these kids play in the "off" season, at least they are playing! One of these "daddy" teams has extended the invite to play to everyone on several occasions the other one has never.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Put it to rest already! These are not tg teams but localized teams that have been playing together for a few years and pre-dating any affiliation with the tg club. Want in? Ask!

Green Machine is NOT a local team. So please stop the BS. They ask whoever they think will better the chances of the coaches kid. If you really thought it was a local team playing together for years, you wouldn't be trying so hard to defend it. Good Luck.

No Green Machine is not a local team! They started playing together a year ago. Green Machine asked all the girls to form a team who weren't asked to play by the original "daddy" team . What is the difference where these kids play in the "off" season, at least they are playing! One of these "daddy" teams has extended the invite to play to everyone on several occasions the other one has never.

Thank You. My point was that they are not a local team. I couldn't care less who was asked. If someone wants to put together a bunch of kids from all over, go do it. Just state what it is, that's all. Stay warm today!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Put it to rest already! These are not tg teams but localized teams that have been playing together for a few years and pre-dating any affiliation with the tg club. Want in? Ask!

Green Machine is NOT a local team. So please stop the BS. They ask whoever they think will better the chances of the coaches kid. If you really thought it was a local team playing together for years, you wouldn't be trying so hard to defend it. Good Luck.

No Green Machine is not a local team! They started playing together a year ago. Green Machine asked all the girls to form a team who weren't asked to play by the original "daddy" team . What is the difference where these kids play in the "off" season, at least they are playing! One of these "daddy" teams has extended the invite to play to everyone on several occasions the other one has never.

Thank You. My point was that they are not a local team. I couldn't care less who was asked. If someone wants to put together a bunch of kids from all over, go do it. Just state what it is, that's all. Stay warm today!!

Well said and there you have it, it is a team made up from kids from all over the island, from multiple towns and clubs and the roster changes with every tournament, just like the rebels, in fact many kids jump back and forth between the two teams (and other teams) because they are all friends. Haters move on.

I got the pleasure to watch your green machine team today , I am sorry I mean the group of girls who stand around and watch one kid try to dominate a game , granted she is very good but how do you parents sit on the sideline and watch your kid be a decoy for a whole game . The parents and coaches never stop complaining to the refs , and please parents if you are going to yell at the refs at least have some idea of the actual rules, coaches would it kill you to read a rule book at some point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I got the pleasure to watch your green machine team today , I am sorry I mean the group of girls who stand around and watch one kid try to dominate a game , granted she is very good but how do you parents sit on the sideline and watch your kid be a decoy for a whole game . The parents and coaches never stop complaining to the refs , and please parents if you are going to yell at the refs at least have some idea of the actual rules, coaches would it kill you to read a rule book at some point.

Lots of good talent on the team and they look good moving the ball and passing until they play a good team then it is a one girl show, straight to goal, sorry one kid cant beat a good team, you might want to rethink that strategy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I got the pleasure to watch your green machine team today , I am sorry I mean the group of girls who stand around and watch one kid try to dominate a game , granted she is very good but how do you parents sit on the sideline and watch your kid be a decoy for a whole game . The parents and coaches never stop complaining to the refs , and please parents if you are going to yell at the refs at least have some idea of the actual rules, coaches would it kill you to read a rule book at some point.

I heard that next year this tourney is going to be called the Psycho Daddy Spring Fling.

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This tournament is not 7 v 7. Would have been a great opportunity to have the team, with its new players, get everyone together to play. YJ are doing that in numerous age groups, including 2020. Instead, there are some girls new to the TG black sitting home, while the some of the malcontent YJ parents kids were asked to play. Just feel that the new kids are getting the shaft. And I'm not talking about the LR.

Between the Rebels and green Machine every girl on 2020 Black played yesterday. Every Girl, except one who played with her town team. At least get the facts straight. Rebels had 12 of the 2020 Black and Green Machine the other 11 Played Green Machine. Lot of talent between the two teams and the summer season should be competitive again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I got the pleasure to watch your green machine team today , I am sorry I mean the group of girls who stand around and watch one kid try to dominate a game , granted she is very good but how do you parents sit on the sideline and watch your kid be a decoy for a whole game . The parents and coaches never stop complaining to the refs , and please parents if you are going to yell at the refs at least have some idea of the actual rules, coaches would it kill you to read a rule book at some point.

I heard that next year this tourney is going to be called the Psycho Daddy Spring Fling.

LMAO

What is the matter, you got tired of watching your 2020 blue play in 8th grade division after backing out of JV division. Just keep the privates coming and you will be fine. Just worry about your kid and your organization and leave the B. S .spring tourneys alone . Your team is very good and as long as you keep the privates every week or live in right town your kid will be fine

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the matter, you got tired of watching your 2020 blue play in 8th grade division after backing out of JV division. Just keep the privates coming and you will be fine. Just worry about your kid and your organization and leave the B. S .spring tourneys alone . Your team is very good and as long as you keep the privates every week or live in right town your kid will be fine

Don't deflect by throwing the 2020 YJ Blue team into this, when they do tourneys it's as a TEAM whether it's under the YJ flag or not it's always an "all" team invite. That doesn't mean a YJ player cant go and play with friends form other towns or clubs that's a parents choice.If splitting your team works in TG land more power to you; clearly it's an issue with some of your parents though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the matter, you got tired of watching your 2020 blue play in 8th grade division after backing out of JV division. Just keep the privates coming and you will be fine. Just worry about your kid and your organization and leave the B. S .spring tourneys alone . Your team is very good and as long as you keep the privates every week or live in right town your kid will be fine

Don't deflect by throwing the 2020 YJ Blue team into this, when they do tourneys it's as a TEAM whether it's under the YJ flag or not it's always an "all" team invite. That doesn't mean a YJ player cant go and play with friends form other towns or clubs that's a parents choice.If splitting your team works in TG land more power to you; clearly it's an issue with some of your parents though.

Absolutely untrue. On numerous occasions last year, 1 Dad invited certain girls , added a few others, and entered the YJ 2020 Blue Team in a few tournaments under a different name. Actions like those divide a team.

Clearly it is you that has an issue with everything TG 2020 black does. You know more about what is going on within this team than most of the parents with kids on the roster. I am trying to figure out what your connection is. Maybe your daughter got cut from TG . Maybe she tried out and didn't make the black team so you went to YJ. Maybe your town team competes against one or more of the dads teams that coach the offseason teams. Whatever it is get over it or seek out a medical professional that can get you on proper meds.
To all of the TG 2020 black parents if everyone could just ignore the posts maybe this adult that is living through his/her kid will go away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the matter, you got tired of watching your 2020 blue play in 8th grade division after backing out of JV division. Just keep the privates coming and you will be fine. Just worry about your kid and your organization and leave the B. S .spring tourneys alone . Your team is very good and as long as you keep the privates every week or live in right town your kid will be fine

Don't deflect by throwing the 2020 YJ Blue team into this, when they do tourneys it's as a TEAM whether it's under the YJ flag or not it's always an "all" team invite. That doesn't mean a YJ player cant go and play with friends form other towns or clubs that's a parents choice.If splitting your team works in TG land more power to you; clearly it's an issue with some of your parents though.

Absolutely untrue. On numerous occasions last year, 1 Dad invited certain girls , added a few others, and entered the YJ 2020 Blue Team in a few tournaments under a different name. Actions like those divide a team.

Never happened , name the tournament, you will not because you made up a bunch of nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clearly it is you that has an issue with everything TG 2020 black does. You know more about what is going on within this team than most of the parents with kids on the roster. I am trying to figure out what your connection is. Maybe your daughter got cut from TG . Maybe she tried out and didn't make the black team so you went to YJ. Maybe your town team competes against one or more of the dads teams that coach the offseason teams. Whatever it is get over it or seek out a medical professional that can get you on proper meds.
To all of the TG 2020 black parents if everyone could just ignore the posts maybe this adult that is living through his/her kid will go away.

Question for you, do you really agree with the way in which your coach yells and screams at virtually every call the refs make or the style of play when playing a competitive game. Yes they try to spread the ball around in the lesser games to keep the parents of the kids that are not permitted to shoot in the competitive games happy. How is the 1 girl show working out for the rest of the kids on the team and for that matter for the wins in big games. I will say this you get the girls on TG 2020 black playing which is great as TG as a group does little in the off season and probably for a lot less than YJ kids pay.I have seen the split into separate little teams destroy teams before, hope it works for the girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]What is the matter, you got tired of watching your 2020 blue play in 8th grade division after backing out of JV division. Just keep the privates coming and you will be fine. Just worry about your kid and your organization and leave the B. S .spring tourneys alone . Your team is very good and as long as you keep the privates every week or live in right town your kid will be fine

Don't deflect by throwing the 2020 YJ Blue team into this, when they do tourneys it's as a TEAM whether it's under the YJ flag or not it's always an "all" team invite. That doesn't mean a YJ player cant go and play with friends form other towns or clubs that's a parents choice.If splitting your team works in TG land more power to you; clearly it's an issue with some of your parents though.

Absolutely untrue. On numerous occasions last year, 1 Dad invited certain girls , added a few others, and entered the YJ 2020 Blue Team in a few tournaments under a different name. Actions like those divide a team.

Never happened , name the tournament, you will not because you made up a bunch of nonsense.

Farmingdale Lax fest last summer. One of the daddy coaches from YJ 2020 blue took a team of girls to this tournament invite only

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]What is the matter, you got tired of watching your 2020 blue play in 8th grade division after backing out of JV division. Just keep the privates coming and you will be fine. Just worry about your kid and your organization and leave the B. S .spring tourneys alone . Your team is very good and as long as you keep the privates every week or live in right town your kid will be fine

Don't deflect by throwing the 2020 YJ Blue team into this, when they do tourneys it's as a TEAM whether it's under the YJ flag or not it's always an "all" team invite. That doesn't mean a YJ player cant go and play with friends form other towns or clubs that's a parents choice.If splitting your team works in TG land more power to you; clearly it's an issue with some of your parents though.

Absolutely untrue. On numerous occasions last year, 1 Dad invited certain girls , added a few others, and entered the YJ 2020 Blue Team in a few tournaments under a different name. Actions like those divide a team.

Never happened , name the tournament, you will not because you made up a bunch of nonsense.

Farmingdale Lax fest last summer. One of the daddy coaches from YJ 2020 blue took a team of girls to this tournament invite only

Wrong again, but keep trying! Please try and comprehend what the poster stated, he or she never said they don't go into tournaments under a different name, what was said was the entire team is asked. If it is a 7v7 the team is split in two and the split is at the head coaches discretion. As for Lax Fest or any other tournament if there is not enough interest by the majority of the team parents are and always have been free to do what they want with there children. Again read carefully nobody has a problem with the way TG parents conduct their "Lax Business" just that thsi particular YJ 2020 Blue team does it differently.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]What is the matter, you got tired of watching your 2020 blue play in 8th grade division after backing out of JV division. Just keep the privates coming and you will be fine. Just worry about your kid and your organization and leave the B. S .spring tourneys alone . Your team is very good and as long as you keep the privates every week or live in right town your kid will be fine

Don't deflect by throwing the 2020 YJ Blue team into this, when they do tourneys it's as a TEAM whether it's under the YJ flag or not it's always an "all" team invite. That doesn't mean a YJ player cant go and play with friends form other towns or clubs that's a parents choice.If splitting your team works in TG land more power to you; clearly it's an issue with some of your parents though.

Absolutely untrue. On numerous occasions last year, 1 Dad invited certain girls , added a few others, and entered the YJ 2020 Blue Team in a few tournaments under a different name. Actions like those divide a team.

Never happened , name the tournament, you will not because you made up a bunch of nonsense.

Farmingdale Lax fest last summer. One of the daddy coaches from YJ 2020 blue took a team of girls to this tournament invite only

Wrong again, but keep trying! Please try and comprehend what the poster stated, he or she never said they don't go into tournaments under a different name, what was said was the entire team is asked. If it is a 7v7 the team is split in two and the split is at the head coaches discretion. As for Lax Fest or any other tournament if there is not enough interest by the majority of the team parents are and always have been free to do what they want with there children. Again read carefully nobody has a problem with the way TG parents conduct their "Lax Business" just that thsi particular YJ 2020 Blue team does it differently.

I believe this tournament was on a Sunday after the girls played Friday, Saturday in Delaware or Maryland, so most likely not going to get a lot of interest other than some of the crazier parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]What is the matter, you got tired of watching your 2020 blue play in 8th grade division after backing out of JV division. Just keep the privates coming and you will be fine. Just worry about your kid and your organization and leave the B. S .spring tourneys alone . Your team is very good and as long as you keep the privates every week or live in right town your kid will be fine

Don't deflect by throwing the 2020 YJ Blue team into this, when they do tourneys it's as a TEAM whether it's under the YJ flag or not it's always an "all" team invite. That doesn't mean a YJ player cant go and play with friends form other towns or clubs that's a parents choice.If splitting your team works in TG land more power to you; clearly it's an issue with some of your parents though.

Absolutely untrue. On numerous occasions last year, 1 Dad invited certain girls , added a few others, and entered the YJ 2020 Blue Team in a few tournaments under a different name. Actions like those divide a team.

Never happened , name the tournament, you will not because you made up a bunch of nonsense.

Farmingdale Lax fest last summer. One of the daddy coaches from YJ 2020 blue took a team of girls to this tournament invite only

Also happened in the Manhasset tourney in late spring. Half the girls ( or a little more than half) were asked to play by a particular YJ daddy, and half were not. They played under a different name, but incredibly wore their YJ uniforms. Absolutely incredible! Completely divides a team. So do not say it didn't happen, it did happen you ignorant fool. I could even list the daddy's name who did it on those multiple occasions. So lay off TGs, YJ 2020 blue has done the same thing a number of times!!

It was farmingdale, both blue and gold and one TG kid played. Lost to rebels in finals. After that YJ bosses put a stop to it because some blue kids were not asked and they pay good money for private

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]What is the matter, you got tired of watching your 2020 blue play in 8th grade division after backing out of JV division. Just keep the privates coming and you will be fine. Just worry about your kid and your organization and leave the B. S .spring tourneys alone . Your team is very good and as long as you keep the privates every week or live in right town your kid will be fine

Don't deflect by throwing the 2020 YJ Blue team into this, when they do tourneys it's as a TEAM whether it's under the YJ flag or not it's always an "all" team invite. That doesn't mean a YJ player cant go and play with friends form other towns or clubs that's a parents choice.If splitting your team works in TG land more power to you; clearly it's an issue with some of your parents though.

Absolutely untrue. On numerous occasions last year, 1 Dad invited certain girls , added a few others, and entered the YJ 2020 Blue Team in a few tournaments under a different name. Actions like those divide a team.

Never happened , name the tournament, you will not because you made up a bunch of nonsense.

Farmingdale Lax fest last summer. One of the daddy coaches from YJ 2020 blue took a team of girls to this tournament invite only

Wrong again, but keep trying! Please try and comprehend what the poster stated, he or she never said they don't go into tournaments under a different name, what was said was the entire team is asked. If it is a 7v7 the team is split in two and the split is at the head coaches discretion. As for Lax Fest or any other tournament if there is not enough interest by the majority of the team parents are and always have been free to do what they want with there children. Again read carefully nobody has a problem with the way TG parents conduct their "Lax Business" just that thsi particular YJ 2020 Blue team does it differently.

The entire team was not asked. That's the point. What are you not getting.

Thank you for your concern on how this is working out for my daughter . My daughter knows that there aren't any big games at this time in her life. She plays with this team because it gives her a great opportunity to develop different aspects of her game and reach goals that she is working on. Do I agree with coaches that yell at the refs? No I do not agree with it. It is not my style. With that said you could walk around at any of the tournaments and hear the same thing on every other field.
As far as not being permitted to shoot. My daughter has only been told not to shoot when the game is a blowout. If anything they ave directly told her to shoot more.
Is it a one man show? At times it is. Does this kid bust her butt on draws and ground balls? Yes she does!
Anyone with knowlege of girls tournament lacrosse knows that at 10 & 11 years of age there is always one or two girls that are more agressive and developed than the rest . We all know that the straight go to goal will not be the norm when they all get to MS and HS. Once the draw and dump concept is accepted they all will realize it opens up opportunities for the whole team. This will come.
As for the rest of the girls you would have to ask them but like I said before I wish we all would just ignore the negative posts. A rule that I am clearly breaking with this post.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clearly it is you that has an issue with everything TG 2020 black does. You know more about what is going on within this team than most of the parents with kids on the roster. I am trying to figure out what your connection is. Maybe your daughter got cut from TG . Maybe she tried out and didn't make the black team so you went to YJ. Maybe your town team competes against one or more of the dads teams that coach the offseason teams. Whatever it is get over it or seek out a medical professional that can get you on proper meds.
To all of the TG 2020 black parents if everyone could just ignore the posts maybe this adult that is living through his/her kid will go away.

Question for you, do you really agree with the way in which your coach yells and screams at virtually every call the refs make or the style of play when playing a competitive game. Yes they try to spread the ball around in the lesser games to keep the parents of the kids that are not permitted to shoot in the competitive games happy. How is the 1 girl show working out for the rest of the kids on the team and for that matter for the wins in big games. I will say this you get the girls on TG 2020 black playing which is great as TG as a group does little in the off season and probably for a lot less than YJ kids pay.I have seen the split into separate little teams destroy teams before, hope it works for the girls.

YJ motto do as I say not as I do. YJ daddy did use a different name and no did not ask everyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]What is the matter, you got tired of watching your 2020 blue play in 8th grade division after backing out of JV division. Just keep the privates coming and you will be fine. Just worry about your kid and your organization and leave the B. S .spring tourneys alone . Your team is very good and as long as you keep the privates every week or live in right town your kid will be fine

Don't deflect by throwing the 2020 YJ Blue team into this, when they do tourneys it's as a TEAM whether it's under the YJ flag or not it's always an "all" team invite. That doesn't mean a YJ player cant go and play with friends form other towns or clubs that's a parents choice.If splitting your team works in TG land more power to you; clearly it's an issue with some of your parents though.

Absolutely untrue. On numerous occasions last year, 1 Dad invited certain girls , added a few others, and entered the YJ 2020 Blue Team in a few tournaments under a different name. Actions like those divide a team.

Never happened , name the tournament, you will not because you made up a bunch of nonsense.

Farmingdale Lax fest last summer. One of the daddy coaches from YJ 2020 blue took a team of girls to this tournament invite only

Wrong again, but keep trying! Please try and comprehend what the poster stated, he or she never said they don't go into tournaments under a different name, what was said was the entire team is asked. If it is a 7v7 the team is split in two and the split is at the head coaches discretion. As for Lax Fest or any other tournament if there is not enough interest by the majority of the team parents are and always have been free to do what they want with there children. Again read carefully nobody has a problem with the way TG parents conduct their "Lax Business" just that thsi particular YJ 2020 Blue team does it differently.

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]What is the matter, you got tired of watching your 2020 blue play in 8th grade division after backing out of JV division. Just keep the privates coming and you will be fine. Just worry about your kid and your organization and leave the B. S .spring tourneys alone . Your team is very good and as long as you keep the privates every week or live in right town your kid will be fine

Don't deflect by throwing the 2020 YJ Blue team into this, when they do tourneys it's as a TEAM whether it's under the YJ flag or not it's always an "all" team invite. That doesn't mean a YJ player cant go and play with friends form other towns or clubs that's a parents choice.If splitting your team works in TG land more power to you; clearly it's an issue with some of your parents though.

Absolutely untrue. On numerous occasions last year, 1 Dad invited certain girls , added a few others, and entered the YJ 2020 Blue Team in a few tournaments under a different name. Actions like those divide a team.

Never happened , name the tournament, you will not because you made up a bunch of nonsense.

Farmingdale Lax fest last summer. One of the daddy coaches from YJ 2020 blue took a team of girls to this tournament invite only

Also happened in the Manhasset tourney in late spring. Half the girls ( or a little more than half) were asked to play by a particular YJ daddy, and half were not. They played under a different name, but incredibly wore their YJ uniforms. Absolutely incredible! Completely divides a team. So do not say it didn't happen, it did happen you ignorant fool. I could even list the daddy's name who did it on those multiple occasions. So lay off TGs, YJ 2020 blue has done the same thing a number of times!!

Hey jackass , I dare you to give the coaches name so you can look like an even bigger moron. The top 2020 YJ team does not put daddy run teams in unless everyone is asked and not enough kids have interest. Go ahead name the coach from the top team who does this , you will not do it because you know you will be called out for BS.

I love that attitude go to any field and you see coaches of young teams making fools of themselves so its okay that my kids coach does it. Not sure they do it every game but your green machine coaches were making fools of themselves the whole game arguing every call, the opposing team coaches seemed to barely speak toward the refs at all.In terms of style of play Green Machine seemed to use the get the ball to one kid and have her go to goal the red white team seemed to use more of the get the ball to one kid who would draw and dump to a kid who always shot, not considerably different.

First, I couldn't care less if people want to make up teams when your travel teams are not attending. In fact it's nice when kids that don't always play together have an opportunity to play. As for the YJ 2020 thing last summer. That team was put together by a YJ Jones coach. In one tournament a Curcio parent was involved on the sideline. That was LI Laxfest. That team had Curcio, Jones, Chris, and TG players on it. All was fine until a couple of Curcio parents complained that their daughter was not invited. That was their final tourney. End of story.

MW

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you for your concern on how this is working out for my daughter . My daughter knows that there aren't any big games at this time in her life. She plays with this team because it gives her a great opportunity to develop different aspects of her game and reach goals that she is working on. Do I agree with coaches that yell at the refs? No I do not agree with it. It is not my style. With that said you could walk around at any of the tournaments and hear the same thing on every other field.
As far as not being permitted to shoot. My daughter has only been told not to shoot when the game is a blowout. If anything they ave directly told her to shoot more.
Is it a one man show? At times it is. Does this kid bust her butt on draws and ground balls? Yes she does!
Anyone with knowlege of girls tournament lacrosse knows that at 10 & 11 years of age there is always one or two girls that are more agressive and developed than the rest . We all know that the straight go to goal will not be the norm when they all get to MS and HS. Once the draw and dump concept is accepted they all will realize it opens up opportunities for the whole team. This will come.
As for the rest of the girls you would have to ask them but like I said before I wish we all would just ignore the negative posts. A rule that I am clearly breaking with this post.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clearly it is you that has an issue with everything TG 2020 black does. You know more about what is going on within this team than most of the parents with kids on the roster. I am trying to figure out what your connection is. Maybe your daughter got cut from TG . Maybe she tried out and didn't make the black team so you went to YJ. Maybe your town team competes against one or more of the dads teams that coach the offseason teams. Whatever it is get over it or seek out a medical professional that can get you on proper meds.
To all of the TG 2020 black parents if everyone could just ignore the posts maybe this adult that is living through his/her kid will go away.

Question for you, do you really agree with the way in which your coach yells and screams at virtually every call the refs make or the style of play when playing a competitive game. Yes they try to spread the ball around in the lesser games to keep the parents of the kids that are not permitted to shoot in the competitive games happy. How is the 1 girl show working out for the rest of the kids on the team and for that matter for the wins in big games. I will say this you get the girls on TG 2020 black playing which is great as TG as a group does little in the off season and probably for a lot less than YJ kids pay.I have seen the split into separate little teams destroy teams before, hope it works for the girls.

What are your 10 year old daughters "goals". Mine kid has one goal, fun! You sound kind of intense for me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]What is the matter, you got tired of watching your 2020 blue play in 8th grade division after backing out of JV division. Just keep the privates coming and you will be fine. Just worry about your kid and your organization and leave the B. S .spring tourneys alone . Your team is very good and as long as you keep the privates every week or live in right town your kid will be fine

Don't deflect by throwing the 2020 YJ Blue team into this, when they do tourneys it's as a TEAM whether it's under the YJ flag or not it's always an "all" team invite. That doesn't mean a YJ player cant go and play with friends form other towns or clubs that's a parents choice.If splitting your team works in TG land more power to you; clearly it's an issue with some of your parents though.

Absolutely untrue. On numerous occasions last year, 1 Dad invited certain girls , added a few others, and entered the YJ 2020 Blue Team in a few tournaments under a different name. Actions like those divide a team.

Never happened , name the tournament, you will not because you made up a bunch of nonsense.

Farmingdale Lax fest last summer. One of the daddy coaches from YJ 2020 blue took a team of girls to this tournament invite only

Also happened in the Manhasset tourney in late spring. Half the girls ( or a little more than half) were asked to play by a particular YJ daddy, and half were not. They played under a different name, but incredibly wore their YJ uniforms. Absolutely incredible! Completely divides a team. So do not say it didn't happen, it did happen you ignorant fool. I could even list the daddy's name who did it on those multiple occasions. So lay off TGs, YJ 2020 blue has done the same thing a number of times!!

Hey jackass , I dare you to give the coaches name so you can look like an even bigger moron. The top 2020 YJ team does not put daddy run teams in unless everyone is asked and not enough kids have interest. Go ahead name the coach from the top team who does this , you will not do it because you know you will be called out for BS.

First, I couldn't care less if people want to make up teams when your travel teams are not attending. In fact it's nice when kids that don't always play together have an opportunity to play. As for the YJ 2020 thing last summer. That team was put together by a YJ Jones coach. In one tournament a Curcio parent was involved on the sideline. That was LI Laxfest. That team had Curcio, Jones, Chris, and TG players on it. All was fine until a couple of Curcio parents complained that their daughter was not invited. That was their final tourney. End of story.

I love it! TG parents keep trying to deflect, YJ 2020 Blue have there ducks in a row and it works for them, why do feel the need to try and dig up dirt? Know your facts people, do what works for you but keep digging I like the effort.

Maybe you should have gotten your ducks in a row. Trying to stir it up by saying that you are a tg. Too funny that all were asked and your cover was blown. Hahaha. So sad your existence must be over in yj land. Maybe coach will do a little digging and root you out.

I actually much prefer attending these tournaments with hand picked players and parents. Town team play is most often low level lacrosse and club ball you have way too many kids on the roster and limited playing time due to line rotation. Also with club your kid gets put on teams with players and parents. Some of you parents are nuts and obnoxious and its nice to be able to chose a team with reasonable parents involved. It is also nice to avoid teams with selfish isolation players. And before you all go TG YJ on me, these kids and parents exist on both clubs. Club play and tournaments are what they are, I would rather not have the club involved in these extra tournaments.

Bill fyi... Yellow jackets are practicing already... whats going on here. they have a leg up already.

Sorry , TG you get 10 practices , 5 tournaments , nothing more. No off- season tournaments , little off season training options . You should have your TG daddy teams practice on their own now. Look at the commits from Liberty and tell me all the YK drama or lack of good coaches or options at TG is worth it.

difference betwen Yj and TG is Yj start practice in April, TG start practice in May. It will show in Denver.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry , TG you get 10 practices , 5 tournaments , nothing more. No off- season tournaments , little off season training options . You should have your TG daddy teams practice on their own now. Look at the commits from Liberty and tell me all the YK drama or lack of good coaches or options at TG is worth it.

where is the list of Liberty commits posted.. It can't be accessed from their website without a password.. I would like to see it as the commit lists from YJ and TG are both very extensive ( and open to the public)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bill fyi... Yellow jackets are practicing already... whats going on here. they have a leg up
already.

If you do not like the format leave and play elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

difference betwen Yj and TG is Yj start practice in April, TG start practice in May. It will show in Denver.

Seriously you really have to be kidding. Who cares about Denver ,the teams that play in Denver are not the same teams that play summer together .You guys take this U15 thing way too serious, not even a recruiting event.

If your not from Manhasset don't bother with Liberty.

now this has to be a YJ parent. lol

most recruiting events dont have championship format you moron.

if u15 isn't that important, then why do Yj and TG have that they are U15 national champions on the first page, there home page of there websites. it doesnt mean much to you because topguns won last year and you are a yj parent. guess what 2013 U15 National Champions are TOPGUNS. Yj haven't won since 2011.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

difference betwen Yj and TG is Yj start practice in April, TG start practice in May. It will show in Denver.

Making the haul all the way to Denver and incurring all the expense to slug it out with your NY/NJ next door neighbors (elevate, liberty, TG, YJ and Steps). Let's be honest, M&D and Hero's won't send a team and looking like Skywalkers may not. Rest of teams are not competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

most recruiting events dont have championship format you moron.

Some do some don't , I would say somewhere in the middle moron.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

difference betwen Yj and TG is Yj start practice in April, TG start practice in May. It will show in Denver.

Making the haul all the way to Denver and incurring all the expense to slug it out with your NY/NJ next door neighbors (elevate, liberty, TG, YJ and Steps). Let's be honest, M&D and Hero's won't send a team and looking like Skywalkers may not. Rest of teams are not competitive.

I agree if MD doesn't send any teams it will be a waste of time.. We went last year and had a great time.. hopefully all the clubs put together a team and compete I think its a great event and would like to see it continue

This is a false statement. My daughter plays for Liberty Black and does not go to Manhasset. I have seen D.G. put players from Set on the red team, and even cut them, and yes she does have cuts unlike the other clubs on long Island. D.G. will take the best players at try outs, no matter what town they are from. Don't listen to the hype about liberty, if your daughter is good she will make a team, if she is not she will be cut, Liberty will only field 2 teams per age group no exceptions. If you think your daughter is the best, the best way to find out is to try out for Liberty. D.G. is not only one of the best players to ever play the game, she is also one of the best coaches. She has the most integrity compared to the rest of the club directors and tries to field true ELITE teams, not just take a check from all comers. I will say it again, If you think your daughter is an elite player try out for liberty and find out. if your afraid of the truth stay with Top Guns Or Yellow Jackets both will be glad to take your check and lie to you about your daughter. Lastly of course there are a lot of players from Set at liberty she's the coach there, and in case you haven't noticed they are ranked second in the country, that means they don't suck and D.G. must be doing something right.

If you think your daughter is the best have her try out for Liberty? TG and YJ both have better teams than Liberty in the younger age groups at least

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think your daughter is the best have her try out for Liberty? TG and YJ both have better teams than Liberty in the younger age groups at least

In most all age groups

Neither poster seems to get simple concepts. I never said Liberty has, or does not have a better team in any age group, nor was that the topic of discussion, so please try to understand this time. The comment was don't go to Liberty unless your from Set. My post countered with D.G. will take the best players she has at try outs, I never stated they were better than any other club team, I also stated that she carries only 2 teams per age group and does not form new teams just for the sake of a money grab like both top guns and yellow jackets. At liberty cuts are made. If you think your daughter is one of the many victims of lacrosse politics, and you think she is a good player, Liberty will give you a fare shake. Yes you will probably play with a lot of girls from Set. Oh the horror.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Neither poster seems to get simple concepts. I never said Liberty has, or does not have a better team in any age group, nor was that the topic of discussion, so please try to understand this time. The comment was don't go to Liberty unless your from Set. My post countered with D.G. will take the best players she has at try outs, I never stated they were better than any other club team, I also stated that she carries only 2 teams per age group and does not form new teams just for the sake of a money grab like both top guns and yellow jackets. At liberty cuts are made. If you think your daughter is one of the many victims of lacrosse politics, and you think she is a good player, Liberty will give you a fare shake. Yes you will probably play with a lot of girls from Set. Oh the horror.

Go read your post, you come across as a pompous [lacrosse]. If your girl is elite then tryout and play for elite liberty, if she is afraid go play TG or YJ. You are delusional.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Neither poster seems to get simple concepts. I never said Liberty has, or does not have a better team in any age group, nor was that the topic of discussion, so please try to understand this time. The comment was don't go to Liberty unless your from Set. My post countered with D.G. will take the best players she has at try outs, I never stated they were better than any other club team, I also stated that she carries only 2 teams per age group and does not form new teams just for the sake of a money grab like both top guns and yellow jackets. At liberty cuts are made. If you think your daughter is one of the many victims of lacrosse politics, and you think she is a good player, Liberty will give you a fare shake. Yes you will probably play with a lot of girls from Set. Oh the horror.

DG is one of the biggest politicians there is. Go back to your non existent, barely posted on Liberty forum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a false statement. My daughter plays for Liberty Black and does not go to Manhasset. I have seen D.G. put players from Set on the red team, and even cut them, and yes she does have cuts unlike the other clubs on long Island. D.G. will take the best players at try outs, no matter what town they are from. Don't listen to the hype about liberty, if your daughter is good she will make a team, if she is not she will be cut, Liberty will only field 2 teams per age group no exceptions. If you think your daughter is the best, the best way to find out is to try out for Liberty. D.G. is not only one of the best players to ever play the game, she is also one of the best coaches. She has the most integrity compared to the rest of the club directors and tries to field true ELITE teams, not just take a check from all comers. I will say it again, If you think your daughter is an elite player try out for liberty and find out. if your afraid of the truth stay with Top Guns Or Yellow Jackets both will be glad to take your check and lie to you about your daughter. Lastly of course there are a lot of players from Set at liberty she's the coach there, and in case you haven't noticed they are ranked second in the country, that means they don't suck and D.G. must be doing something right.

There is politics in Liberty like all the others and the coaching is awful.

If you think I sound pompous you should go back and read the threads from either the Yellow Jackets or Top Guns thread, you couldn't get a bigger collection of arrogant "we're better than you" a-holes at a progressive cocktail party.
As far as D.G being the biggest politician, I have not seen it and I am within the club. I have never seen her put a kid on a team because of a family member , friend , or business associate, as is done at both Y.J. and T.G.
As far as our "non existent, barely posted on Liberty forum", at least we don't air our dirty laundry for all to see, but thats mainly because we're happy, unlike you fools.
As far as bad coaching goes my daughter is coached by the woman with the 2nd ranked team in the nation by 3 different poles, but your right she's awful, I should transfer to Top Guns and be coached by Shannon's idiot brother, or belligerent father. That would be much better for my daughter

Seriously you did sound arrogant as in if you try out for YJ, TG you do not believe your daughter is an elite player the only way to know if she is elite is try out for liberty. Your second team is in no way elite and your top teams are not really elite either. AS far as politics w DG just take a look if any kids transferred out, you have a kid who is one of the best players in her age in the country who was barely played because she chose another club team. Maybe DG did not think she was good enough to help her team win but the top program in the country thought she was good enough to have her verbally commit and the top travel team in the country in the age group thought she was good enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think I sound pompous you should go back and read the threads from either the Yellow Jackets or Top Guns thread, you couldn't get a bigger collection of arrogant "we're better than you" a-holes at a progressive cocktail party.
As far as D.G being the biggest politician, I have not seen it and I am within the club. I have never seen her put a kid on a team because of a family member , friend , or business associate, as is done at both Y.J. and T.G.
As far as our "non existent, barely posted on Liberty forum", at least we don't air our dirty laundry for all to see, but thats mainly because we're happy, unlike you fools.
As far as bad coaching goes my daughter is coached by the woman with the 2nd ranked team in the nation by 3 different poles, but your right she's awful, I should transfer to Top Guns and be coached by Shannon's idiot brother, or belligerent father. That would be much better for my daughter

We have 1 liberty black player on our HS team. She doesn't play. The only reason she us on liberty black is cause mom is friends with dg! Total politics. But keep drinking the koolade

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think I sound pompous you should go back and read the threads from either the Yellow Jackets or Top Guns thread, you couldn't get a bigger collection of arrogant "we're better than you" a-holes at a progressive cocktail party.
As far as D.G being the biggest politician, I have not seen it and I am within the club. I have never seen her put a kid on a team because of a family member , friend , or business associate, as is done at both Y.J. and T.G.
As far as our "non existent, barely posted on Liberty forum", at least we don't air our dirty laundry for all to see, but thats mainly because we're happy, unlike you fools.
As far as bad coaching goes my daughter is coached by the woman with the 2nd ranked team in the nation by 3 different poles, but your right she's awful, I should transfer to Top Guns and be coached by Shannon's idiot brother, or belligerent father. That would be much better for my daughter

What's your history with Andrew Smith, to know that he's an "idiot"? Your post makes it obvious who the idiot is.

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think I sound pompous you should go back and read the threads from either the Yellow Jackets or Top Guns thread, you couldn't get a bigger collection of arrogant "we're better than you" a-holes at a progressive cocktail party.
As far as D.G being the biggest politician, I have not seen it and I am within the club. I have never seen her put a kid on a team because of a family member , friend , or business associate, as is done at both Y.J. and T.G.
As far as our "non existent, barely posted on Liberty forum", at least we don't air our dirty laundry for all to see, but thats mainly because we're happy, unlike you fools.
As far as bad coaching goes my daughter is coached by the woman with the 2nd ranked team in the nation by 3 different poles, but your right she's awful, I should transfer to Top Guns and be coached by Shannon's idiot brother, or belligerent father. That would be much better for my daughter

I'd like to know how the money that DG collects for her "charity" tournaments gets distributed. Is it used to help kids pay for Liberty or for Black Diamond Camps?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think I sound pompous you should go back and read the threads from either the Yellow Jackets or Top Guns thread, you couldn't get a bigger collection of arrogant "we're better than you" a-holes at a progressive cocktail party.
As far as D.G being the biggest politician, I have not seen it and I am within the club. I have never seen her put a kid on a team because of a family member , friend , or business associate, as is done at both Y.J. and T.G.
As far as our "non existent, barely posted on Liberty forum", at least we don't air our dirty laundry for all to see, but thats mainly because we're happy, unlike you fools.
As far as bad coaching goes my daughter is coached by the woman with the 2nd ranked team in the nation by 3 different poles, but your right she's awful, I should transfer to Top Guns and be coached by Shannon's idiot brother, or belligerent father. That would be much better for my daughter

We have 1 liberty black player on our HS team. She doesn't play. The only reason she us on liberty black is cause mom is friends with dg! Total politics. But keep drinking the koolade

Maybe kid is a victim of politics and is not being played because she plays for Liberty and not another club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Sure they are just look at CSH

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Sure they are just look at CSH

What about CSH? Not familiar with whatever's happening there

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think I sound pompous you should go back and read the threads from either the Yellow Jackets or Top Guns thread, you couldn't get a bigger collection of arrogant "we're better than you" a-holes at a progressive cocktail party.
As far as D.G being the biggest politician, I have not seen it and I am within the club. I have never seen her put a kid on a team because of a family member , friend , or business associate, as is done at both Y.J. and T.G.
As far as our "non existent, barely posted on Liberty forum", at least we don't air our dirty laundry for all to see, but thats mainly because we're happy, unlike you fools.
As far as bad coaching goes my daughter is coached by the woman with the 2nd ranked team in the nation by 3 different poles, but your right she's awful, I should transfer to Top Guns and be coached by Shannon's idiot brother, or belligerent father. That would be much better for my daughter

We have 1 liberty black player on our HS team. She doesn't play. The only reason she us on liberty black is cause mom is friends with dg! Total politics. But keep drinking the koolade

Maybe kid is a victim of politics and is not being played because she plays for Liberty and not another club.

Actually the HS coach has no club affiliation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Sure they are just look at CSH

What about CSH? Not familiar with whatever's happening there

CSH coach is a yellow jackets coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Sure they are just look at CSH

What about CSH? Not familiar with whatever's happening there

CSH coach is a yellow jackets coach.

Oh ok. And, are you saying that the YJ players are being favored on the varsity team? There's definitely a suspicion of that happening at our school...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This point is a 100% true and DG and Manhasset at some point will need to answer for it. Public school coaches should not be making money on the side with a travel program and then turn around and sit a kid because she chooses to play for a different, arguably better, club. Remember this was only brought up on here after you went on a rant on how much integrity DG has.

That's a good point, but I doubt if anything will ever be done about it. We have a varsity coach that's involved with YJ, and people are starting to wonder if the YJ girls are being favored over girls from other programs...

Sure they are just look at CSH

What about CSH? Not familiar with whatever's happening there

CSH coach is a yellow jackets coach.

Oh ok. And, are you saying that the YJ players are being favored on the varsity team? There's definitely a suspicion of that happening at our school...

Goes back to what to what has been said many times on this site, school coaches should not be allowed to coach travel, camps or clinics or anything that is a conflict of interest. This should be a rule by section XI.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Goes back to what to what has been said many times on this site, school coaches should not be allowed to coach travel, camps or clinics or anything that is a conflict of interest. This should be a rule by section XI.

Amen to that.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Goes back to what to what has been said many times on this site, school coaches should not be allowed to coach travel, camps or clinics or anything that is a conflict of interest. This should be a rule by section XI.

Amen to that.

Sounds fair, but will never happen - That means Carol Rose, Steve Levy, Danielle Gallagher, etc. would all be asked to resign as HS coach, or give up their club coaching??!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Goes back to what to what has been said many times on this site, school coaches should not be allowed to coach travel, camps or clinics or anything that is a conflict of interest. This should be a rule by section XI.

Amen to that.

Sounds fair, but will never happen - That means Carol Rose, Steve Levy, Danielle Gallagher, etc. would all be asked to resign as HS coach, or give up their club coaching??!!

Exactly right!

Unfortunately this is not only a problem on Long Island but with the majority of sports across the nation, boys and girls.

Head coach of McDonough also runs M&D Lax, for example.

Coaches, alleges 'pay for play' scheme

A Texas father unsatisfied with his son�s playing time on lacrosse teams has reportedly sued several coaches under federal anti-corruption laws, claiming they extorted families in exchange for playing time.
In a 39-page federal racketeering lawsuit filed late last month, attorney Bill Munck claims coaches with the Dallas Lacrosse Academy LLC and the Episcopal School of Dallas employed a �pay to play� scheme for student athletes like his son Billy to take the field, MyFoxDFW.com reports.
"Through the use of illegal and fraudulent conduct, including threats, intimidation and even extortion, defendants have tried to ensure that student athletes who want to play lacrosse in North Texas have to pay for play and have to go through the defendants' enterprise,� the lawsuit alleges. � � Billy Munck was one of the victims of this criminal enterprise as were many others. Plaintiffs file this complaint to ensure that others, including Billy�s younger brother � a high school sophomore, do not suffer a similar fate.�
The lawsuit alleges that former Episcopal School of Dallas coach Kevin Barnicle and other instructors at the for-profit Dallas lacrosse academy threatened parents with less playing time on their son�s high school teams if they didn�t pony up for pricey private camps and training sessions at the academy.
Billy Munck played nine out of 11 varsity games during his junior year, but did not letter and left the school, according to the lawsuit, which also accuses the coaches and Dallas Lacrosse Academy of breaking NCAA rules.
"Some of the better players were asked to replace weaker DLA players already on the roster, and these players were asked to board airplanes, stay at hotels and play in recruiting tournaments under another player's name,� the lawsuit reads.
Laura Hart, the mother of a lacrosse player at Episcopal School of Dallas, told MyFoxDFW.com she hopes the lawsuit will simply go away.
"Get out there, play and move on with your life," she said.
Munck and the defendants named in the lawsuit, including six coaches, declined to discuss the lawsuit, MyFoxDFW.com reports.

The only three freshman on CSH varsity are Elevate players not YJ.

Lets all get together and sue all the school districts with a class action suit for all the pain and suffering, emotional damage, lost scholarship monies etc....that has been caused by hiring coaches with money ties with the sport. Anyone got a good lawyer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only three freshman on CSH varsity are Elevate players not YJ.

Sorry elevate, They will be YJ next year!

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Goes back to what to what has been said many times on this site, school coaches should not be allowed to coach travel, camps or clinics or anything that is a conflict of interest. This should be a rule by section XI.

Amen to that.

And they get paid so much to coach your kids HS team what would they possibly do with all that extra money?? Who do you propose would coach all these travel teams? Mommies and Daddies...that's worse? Really, who??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Goes back to what to what has been said many times on this site, school coaches should not be allowed to coach travel, camps or clinics or anything that is a conflict of interest. This should be a rule by section XI.

Amen to that.

And they get paid so much to coach your kids HS team what would they possibly do with all that extra money?? Who do you propose would coach all these travel teams? Mommies and Daddies...that's worse? Really, who??

No, if they're smart, they'd give up the HS job, not the club job, where they're making more money!

[quote=Anonymous]So , If the player that D.G. "set because she was a Y.J. is so , why doesn't she start for her new school St. A. or does mommy have a gripe now with that coach. Or is it because she's wild and can't control her stick? [/quot

If you are going to use quotations at least use some of the original statement so people have an idea what you are talking about. Has any of your Liberty teams ever beaten a top level YJ team. Elite , I think not. You need to be able to compete with the top level teams before you call yourselves elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Goes back to what to what has been said many times on this site, school coaches should not be allowed to coach travel, camps or clinics or anything that is a conflict of interest. This should be a rule by section XI.

Amen to that.

And they get paid so much to coach your kids HS team what would they possibly do with all that extra money?? Who do you propose would coach all these travel teams? Mommies and Daddies...that's worse? Really, who??

No, if they're smart, they'd give up the HS job, not the club job, where they're making more money!

Then who coaches the HS team, the Wood Shop instructor? You're making mountains out of mole hills. If the kid's a rotation player, they'll make the team regardless. If they're a game changer they'll start. The rest is sour grapes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]So , If the player that D.G. "set because she was a Y.J. is so , why doesn't she start for her new school St. A. or does mommy have a gripe now with that coach. Or is it because she's wild and can't control her stick? [/quot

If you are going to use quotations at least use some of the original statement so people have an idea what you are talking about. Has any of your Liberty teams ever beaten a top level YJ team. Elite , I think not. You need to be able to compete with the top level teams before you call yourselves elite.

Yes, we know. YJs are the team to beat.

The alumni list from TG, YJ and Liberty clearly demonstrates that all three programs produce lax players who play at the highest collegiate level. Liberty seems to have one team worth of these players, TG has one and half, while YJs have two. Congrats to all three programs. I hope these Long Island kids do very well at their universities.

How about the new Top Guns uniforms!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about the new Top Guns uniforms!!

How about them? Did you receive them yet? We were waiting for May practices to start and assumed the girls would receive the uniforms then.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about the new Top Guns uniforms!!

Was looking at the latest issue of inside lacrosse and the national championship team was heavily featured, paper numbers and all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about the new Top Guns uniforms!!

How about them? Did you receive them yet? We were waiting for May practices to start and assumed the girls would receive the uniforms then.

Just trying to get the conversation back to TG related issues!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]So , If the player that D.G. "set because she was a Y.J. is so , why doesn't she start for her new school St. A. or does mommy have a gripe now with that coach. Or is it because she's wild and can't control her stick? [/quot

If you are going to use quotations at least use some of the original statement so people have an idea what you are talking about. Has any of your Liberty teams ever beaten a top level YJ team. Elite , I think not. You need to be able to compete with the top level teams before you call yourselves elite.

you keep shifting to who won more games but don't answer the question (by the way it is an original question , I asked it twice, you just don't answer) So I ask again. Why doesn't the girl that was sat by D.G. start for her new school (St. Anthony's) if she is so good. This is now the second coach that will not start her. Or is her mother going to start talking trash about her new coach at every try out and tournament like she did her old coach. And by the way if I am not mistaken the liberty 2013 team beat the Y.J. 2013 team routinely

Wow so none of your 2020-2014 teams have beaten a top level team , sounds as if liberty is dying. If you think your kid wants to be on a top level travel team there is no way they should play liberty. Our town team beats up on liberty ,they are horrible from 2015 down , may have been good in past but are now non competitive and a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So , If the player that D.G. "set because she was a Y.J. is so , why doesn't she start for her new school St. A. or does mommy have a gripe now with that coach. Or is it because she's wild and can't control her stick? [/quot

If you are going to use quotations at least use some of the original statement so people have an idea what you are talking about. Has any of your Liberty teams ever beaten a top level YJ team. Elite , I think not. You need to be able to compete with the top level teams before you call yourselves elite.

you keep shifting to who won more games but don't answer the question (by the way it is an original question , I asked it twice, you just don't answer) So I ask again. Why doesn't the girl that was sat by D.G. start for her new school (St. Anthony's) if she is so good. This is now the second coach that will not start her. Or is her mother going to start talking trash about her new coach at every try out and tournament like she did her old coach. And by the way if I am not mistaken the liberty 2013 team beat the Y.J. 2013 team

Wow so none of your 2020-2014 teams have beaten a top level team , sounds as if liberty is dying. If you think your kid wants to be on a top level travel team there is no way they should play liberty. Our town team beats up on liberty ,they are horrible from 2015 down , may have been good in past but are now non competitive and a joke.

Still ducking the question, typical Yellow jackets

Thought this is a TG thread! Why are we talking about liberty & YJ? And yes, the new uniforms should be nice.

Not ducking the question , just pointing out that your Liberty teams are second rate at best. Have any of the current teams ever won a tournament. I have seen them get blown out several times by YJ, TG and town teams . Elite is laughable. How would I know what the St. Anthony coach thinks you moron, and for that matter how would you know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So , If the player that D.G. "set because she was a Y.J. is so , why doesn't she start for her new school St. A. or does mommy have a gripe now with that coach. Or is it because she's wild and can't control her stick? [/quot

If you are going to use quotations at least use some of the original statement so people have an idea what you are talking about. Has any of your Liberty teams ever beaten a top level YJ team. Elite , I think not. You need to be able to compete with the top level teams before you call yourselves elite.

you keep shifting to who won more games but don't answer the question (by the way it is an original question , I asked it twice, you just don't answer) So I ask again. Why doesn't the girl that was sat by D.G. start for her new school (St. Anthony's) if she is so good. This is now the second coach that will not start her. Or is her mother going to start talking trash about her new coach at every try out and tournament like she did her old coach. And by the way if I am not mistaken the liberty 2013 team beat the Y.J. 2013 team

Wow so none of your 2020-2014 teams have beaten a top level team , sounds as if liberty is dying. If you think your kid wants to be on a top level travel team there is no way they should play liberty. Our town team beats up on liberty ,they are horrible from 2015 down , may have been good in past but are now non competitive and a joke.

Still ducking the question, typical Yellow jackets

When you transfer into St A from a public school as a junior you cannot play in League games. She did pretty well against Vero Beach last night. OK Satisfied??

Thought this is a TG thread! Why are we talking about liberty & YJ? And yes, the new uniforms should be nice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only three freshman on CSH varsity are Elevate players not YJ.

Which prove the point of the originalk post - pay to play

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]So , If the player that D.G. "set because she was a Y.J. is so , why doesn't she start for her new school St. A. or does mommy have a gripe now with that coach. Or is it because she's wild and can't control her stick? [/quot

If you are going to use quotations at least use some of the original statement so people have an idea what you are talking about. Has any of your Liberty teams ever beaten a top level YJ team. Elite , I think not. You need to be able to compete with the top level teams before you call yourselves elite.

you keep shifting to who won more games but don't answer the question (by the way it is an original question , I asked it twice, you just don't answer) So I ask again. Why doesn't the girl that was sat by D.G. start for her new school (St. Anthony's) if she is so good. This is now the second coach that will not start her. Or is her mother going to start talking trash about her new coach at every try out and tournament like she did her old coach. And by the way if I am not mistaken the liberty 2013 team beat the Y.J. 2013 team routinely

Wow so none of your 2020-2014 teams have beaten a top level team , sounds as if liberty is dying. If you think your kid wants to be on a top level travel team there is no way they should play liberty. Our town team beats up on liberty ,they are horrible from 2015 down , may have been good in past but are now non competitive and a joke.

Still ducking the question, typical Yellow jackets

Now that your original question has been answered and you have been proven to be a complete moron answer my question has any current Liberty team ever beaten a good team, Liberty club is dying and not one elite player is a member of that club. By the way I knew your daughter is a lefty and I stick to my point , she has no left hand .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not ducking the question , just pointing out that your Liberty teams are second rate at best. Have any of the current teams ever won a tournament. I have seen them get blown out several times by YJ, TG and town teams . Elite is laughable. How would I know what the St. Anthony coach thinks you moron, and for that matter how would you know.

It seems many college coaches disagree with you, and they think many of the players are in fact elite.

2014 and 2015 have a combined 30 players going D1 and about another 10 going D2 and D3. And we are talking an impressive ivy list, as well as universities with great sports history. Just check out their alumni page if you want the facts. You can also see what tournaments they won. These numbers are much less than TG or YJ, but they still stand out.

Liberty has a very good reputation among college coaches. It is known as a well respected, but smaller, program when compared to TG and YJ, And all three produce dozens of great lacrosse players every year.

The "A" Liberty teams I've seen in most age groups are formidable. They might not beat TG or YJ, but they certainly can hold their own.

Whatever team your daughter is on, bashing other programs serves no purpose. It actually makes our program look worse. Just enjoy the games and competition, because it goes by quickly!

Good luck to all teams.

I don't understand your point. The person who runs Elevate is not a coach at CSH. The coach at CSH is a YJ coach. So if I have a daughter, do I have them play Elevate or YJ in order to "pay to play"?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]So , If the player that D.G. "set because she was a Y.J. is so , why doesn't she start for her new school St. A. or does mommy have a gripe now with that coach. Or is it because she's wild and can't control her stick? [/quot

If you are going to use quotations at least use some of the original statement so people have an idea what you are talking about. Has any of your Liberty teams ever beaten a top level YJ team. Elite , I think not. You need to be able to compete with the top level teams before you call yourselves elite.

you keep shifting to who won more games but don't answer the question (by the way it is an original question , I asked it twice, you just don't answer) So I ask again. Why doesn't the girl that was sat by D.G. start for her new school (St. Anthony's) if she is so good. This is now the second coach that will not start her. Or is her mother going to start talking trash about her new coach at every try out and tournament like she did her old coach. And by the way if I am not mistaken the liberty 2013 team beat the Y.J. 2013 team routinely

Wow so none of your 2020-2014 teams have beaten a top level team , sounds as if liberty is dying. If you think your kid wants to be on a top level travel team there is no way they should play liberty. Our town team beats up on liberty ,they are horrible from 2015 down , may have been good in past but are now non competitive and a joke.

Still ducking the question, typical Yellow jackets

Watched the young lady you are talking about on Fri night she looked awesome any team would be happy to have her . Rarely ever came off except to get a drink ,ground ball machine , looked happy , sounds good to me

Liberty is exactly what DG wanted from the start .
1 keep the Manhasset kids playing lax together year round
2 The top team has the 10 best girls playing together with a mix of good players from other towns ( at least 10}
3 There are a solid number of girls paying year round for her club and in March they walk on the field for the school team and her conditioning and playing system is in place .
4 Make lots of $$$$$$$
5 looks like it has payed off for SET win win win the people in town are happy .
yjs do it but they take the best kids from anywhere not just NP or Farm. look at the rosters people.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Liberty is exactly what DG wanted from the start .
1 keep the Manhasset kids playing lax together year round
2 The top team has the 10 best girls playing together with a mix of good players from other towns ( at least 10}
3 There are a solid number of girls paying year round for her club and in March they walk on the field for the school team and her conditioning and playing system is in place .
4 Make lots of $$$$$$$
5 looks like it has payed off for SET win win win the people in town are happy .
yjs do it but they take the best kids from anywhere not just NP or Farm. look at the rosters people.

Excellent points. (Not a Manhassett or Liberty parent).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand your point. The person who runs Elevate is not a coach at CSH. The coach at CSH is a YJ coach. So if I have a daughter, do I have them play Elevate or YJ in order to "pay to play"?

Play whatever team your daughter will have the best experience in. Even if she is playing top guns, if she is good, she will play at CSH.

Some simple facts
1. Y.J 2015 blue never won against MD lasers, Liberty 2015 black tied them

2. Sky walkers - Y.J. 2015 blue lost twice won once, Top guns 2015 black won by a goal, and lost by a goal or 2, liberty 2015 black lost by 2

3. liberty 2015 black lost to 2015 Skak by 1, and Top guns 2015 black by 1 in Florida before every team started holding try outs fir the U-15.

Sounds like liberty is in the mix, though Y.J. does win more games. As far as tournaments go, C.R. sends her teams to tournaments where she can control who her teams play, thats why the top 5 clubs rarely play them in pool play (give me what I want or I will take my ball and go home $$$$$$) When you have 5 teams per age group that translates to a lot of money for a tourney promoter. winning lax for a cure isn't that big a deal if you can make sure you reach the finals, if you know what I mean.

One thing is for sure, D.G sends a lot of girls to the Ivy's, so at the very least the smarter people are at liberty

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some simple facts
1. Y.J 2015 blue never won against MD lasers, Liberty 2015 black tied them

2. Sky walkers - Y.J. 2015 blue lost twice won once, Top guns 2015 black won by a goal, and lost by a goal or 2, liberty 2015 black lost by 2

3. liberty 2015 black lost to 2015 Skak by 1, and Top guns 2015 black by 1 in Florida before every team started holding try outs fir the U-15.

Sounds like liberty is in the mix, though Y.J. does win more games. As far as tournaments go, C.R. sends her teams to tournaments where she can control who her teams play, thats why the top 5 clubs rarely play them in pool play (give me what I want or I will take my ball and go home $$$$$$) When you have 5 teams per age group that translates to a lot of money for a tourney promoter. winning lax for a cure isn't that big a deal if you can make sure you reach the finals, if you know what I mean.

One thing is for sure, D.G sends a lot of girls to the Ivy's, so at the very least the smarter people are at liberty

Sorry, can't give you the smarter people argument, certainly will give you the richer people argument. Ivies give no scholarship money, but lacrosse can get the "not smart enough to make it in otherwise" kids admitted. That coupled with rich parents to sign the check, is the ticket to the ivies. DG is keenly aware of property values of the area she harvests.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some simple facts
1. Y.J 2015 blue never won against MD lasers, Liberty 2015 black tied them

2. Sky walkers - Y.J. 2015 blue lost twice won once, Top guns 2015 black won by a goal, and lost by a goal or 2, liberty 2015 black lost by 2

3. liberty 2015 black lost to 2015 Skak by 1, and Top guns 2015 black by 1 in Florida before every team started holding try outs fir the U-15.

Sounds like liberty is in the mix, though Y.J. does win more games. As far as tournaments go, C.R. sends her teams to tournaments where she can control who her teams play, thats why the top 5 clubs rarely play them in pool play (give me what I want or I will take my ball and go home $$$$$$) When you have 5 teams per age group that translates to a lot of money for a tourney promoter. winning lax for a cure isn't that big a deal if you can make sure you reach the finals, if you know what I mean.

One thing is for sure, D.G sends a lot of girls to the Ivy's, so at the very least the smarter people are at liberty

Getting into an ivy becausg you can play lacrosse doesn't make you smart, it makes you a good lacrosse player!

Hows worlds greatest college coach doing now. 5 and 8 .... just because your a great player doesnt mean you can be average at best coach

How sad that you come on here as an adult, albeit one with an immaturity second to none and spew such venom. You are berating a young lady who is in the second year coaching at a D1 lacrosse program. A program where it is known to be difficult to recruit locally. They are 6 - 8 on the year with (4) of those losses by one goal and in reality only one of those games where the differential was double digit.

You really have no clue just some deep hatred...please look in the mirror and realize how sad your pathetic life is...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some simple facts
1. Y.J 2015 blue never won against MD lasers, Liberty 2015 black tied them

2. Sky walkers - Y.J. 2015 blue lost twice won once, Top guns 2015 black won by a goal, and lost by a goal or 2, liberty 2015 black lost by 2

3. liberty 2015 black lost to 2015 Skak by 1, and Top guns 2015 black by 1 in Florida before every team started holding try outs fir the U-15.

Sounds like liberty is in the mix, though Y.J. does win more games. As far as tournaments go, C.R. sends her teams to tournaments where she can control who her teams play, thats why the top 5 clubs rarely play them in pool play (give me what I want or I will take my ball and go home $$$$$$) When you have 5 teams per age group that translates to a lot of money for a tourney promoter. winning lax for a cure isn't that big a deal if you can make sure you reach the finals, if you know what I mean.

One thing is for sure, D.G sends a lot of girls to the Ivy's, so at the very least the smarter people are at liberty

Some simpler facts , you really are an idiot. The we lost to this team who beat this team who beat this other team means absolutely nothing. Your Liberty 2015 team lost to the 2nd YJ team in Florida , the YJ team was composed of mostly YJ 2016 I believe. CR only lets teams play in tournaments where she can control pool play is just silly, national draw this past year had YJ top teams, MD top teams ,TG top teams all in the same pools, 2016 YJ has had their scheduled changed with the assistance of CR to play TG black who were also more than happy to play YJ. Your liberty teams are clearly not in the mix when talking about either TG or YJ just a simple fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hows worlds greatest college coach doing now. 5 and 8 .... just because your a great player doesnt mean you can be average at best coach

6 and 8. but thanks for trying to keep track and calling her the world's greatest college coach.

Was this the year she was going to put her stamp on the program. Looks like the gap both academically and for womens lacrosse has widened between Stony Brook and Hofstra since the respective coaches took over.Tuff to build a program on Long Island if YJ kids are hesitant about going there.

In her second year working with a team of players she didn't recruit .....I would say she is doing well. Thanks for caring !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was this the year she was going to put her stamp on the program. Looks like the gap both academically and for womens lacrosse has widened between Stony Brook and Hofstra since the respective coaches took over.Tuff to build a program on Long Island if YJ kids are hesitant about going there.

She won't recruit them because of the baggage (parents).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How sad that you come on here as an adult, albeit one with an immaturity second to none and spew such venom. You are berating a young lady who is in the second year coaching at a D1 lacrosse program. A program where it is known to be difficult to recruit locally. They are 6 - 8 on the year with (4) of those losses by one goal and in reality only one of those games where the differential was double digit.

You really have no clue just some deep hatred...please look in the mirror and realize how sad your pathetic life is...

Where was this outrage when they are making fun of another very successful coach because of her looks.Dont you think that her age may have something to do with it along with her lack of coaching experience. Still find it interesting that a D1 program hired a head coach w little to no coaching experience.The coaching resumes at TG are looking worse every year, going to be difficult when the coach that everyone in TG looks to is failing.That being said the players she has recruited have not really had the chance to impact the program yet so she should be given a few more years to see if it gets turned around, otherwise it may end up being a debacle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was this the year she was going to put her stamp on the program. Looks like the gap both academically and for womens lacrosse has widened between Stony Brook and Hofstra since the respective coaches took over.Tuff to build a program on Long Island if YJ kids are hesitant about going there.

are you implying the women's lacrosse coach should be held accountable for the growing academic disparity between the two schools?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hows worlds greatest college coach doing now. 5 and 8 .... just because your a great player doesnt mean you can be average at best coach

Go away you miserable p---k.

How many key players did JS take to Stony Brook with him. I think it is easy to build when you take key parts with you ( Goalie , Backer for D and some key players on O) not bad. be fair and try from scratch it takes a few years to get your players on board be Fair!

Hope my daughter decides to get off island to play in college, neither of these is remotely attractive in the big picture.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was this the year she was going to put her stamp on the program. Looks like the gap both academically and for womens lacrosse has widened between Stony Brook and Hofstra since the respective coaches took over.Tuff to build a program on Long Island if YJ kids are hesitant about going there.

She won't recruit them because of the baggage (parents).

Actually she tries to recruit a lot of them just most will not consider going there for various reasons.

Most kids want to go away so it limits what you have to pick from when recruiting LI. Hofstra is a good education but its in Hempstead LI. Stony Brook offer a much cheaper cost and a better education, that's a fact. Adelphi and Post appeal to the kids with the lower grades that want to stay home play and know they are going to fly through school as a student athlete.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some simple facts
1. Y.J 2015 blue never won against MD lasers, Liberty 2015 black tied them

2. Sky walkers - Y.J. 2015 blue lost twice won once, Top guns 2015 black won by a goal, and lost by a goal or 2, liberty 2015 black lost by 2

3. liberty 2015 black lost to 2015 Skak by 1, and Top guns 2015 black by 1 in Florida before every team started holding try outs fir the U-15.

Sounds like liberty is in the mix, though Y.J. does win more games. As far as tournaments go, C.R. sends her teams to tournaments where she can control who her teams play, thats why the top 5 clubs rarely play them in pool play (give me what I want or I will take my ball and go home $$$$$$) When you have 5 teams per age group that translates to a lot of money for a tourney promoter. winning lax for a cure isn't that big a deal if you can make sure you reach the finals, if you know what I mean.

One thing is for sure, D.G sends a lot of girls to the Ivy's, so at the very least the smarter people are at liberty

Manhasett and garden city send kids everywhere because the parents can write the checks! 5-10K in scholarship and 40K check and the kids get to tell evrybody they play on a lax scholarship at whatever school - been the story for many years on the boys and girls side

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bill fyi... Yellow jackets are practicing already... whats going on here. they have a leg up already.

Go look on the M&D and Skywalkers websites at their practice schedules - they will both have 30-40 practices before national draw and will have played a season of spring ball together. LI clubs are all about the money, Maryland charges less and delivers a lot more. Its a testament to the ability of LI kids that they can actually compete with these clubs considering the lack of practice time together

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bill fyi... Yellow jackets are practicing already... whats going on here. they have a leg up already.

Go look on the M&D and Skywalkers websites at their practice schedules - they will both have 30-40 practices before national draw and will have played a season of spring ball together. LI clubs are all about the money, Maryland charges less and delivers a lot more. Its a testament to the ability of LI kids that they can actually compete with these clubs considering the lack of practice time together

It is surprising that the TG teams can compete, with only 10 practices all summer, probably 5 before first tournament, and probably without their actual coaches. That's what you get with TG, so if you want more, you go to YJ's. It's far from perfect there too, but they'll definitely offer more, and have more high level coaches. TG tries for more of a family atmosphere, much less intense, sort of take it or leave it, with SOME very good coaches. My son's travel team will have about 20 team practices, with their regular coaches, before their first tournament. You can't have everything, so you have to go wherever is best for your daughter and your family. We wish they have about twice as many practices, but we like TG, and so does our daughter, so it works for us, but not for everyone...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hows worlds greatest college coach doing now. 5 and 8 .... just because your a great player doesnt mean you can be average at best coach

Go away you miserable p---k.

HAD SHE GONE TO THE HS MANY THOUGHT SHE WOULD HAVE GONE TO SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN HANDED A QUALITY TEAM. YET THAT QUALITY TEAM HAS NOT FAIRED WELL THIS YEAR. HAD SHE BEEN THE COACH IMAGINE ALL THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SAID.

SO ONE NEVER KNOWS HOW THINGS WILL WORKOUT.

Some people actually like the fact that TG don't over do the whole team thing trying to stuff extra team practices, training and tournaments down your throat, feeling like your going to be missing out/ left out if you don't participate. It is good to get involved with different people in in the millions of other lacrosse opportunities that are out there. It is nice to get away from some of the players and parents that you have been selected to play with and play with people you choose. If the only thing you do is tg lacrosse, then yes M&D or some of the YJ teams the girls will see more practice and training, but most girls from TG play 75% or more of their lacrosse in non TG events, thank goodness.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bill fyi... Yellow jackets are practicing already... whats going on here. they have a leg up already.

Go look on the M&D and Skywalkers websites at their practice schedules - they will both have 30-40 practices before national draw and will have played a season of spring ball together. LI clubs are all about the money, Maryland charges less and delivers a lot more. Its a testament to the ability of LI kids that they can actually compete with these clubs considering the lack of practice time together

It is surprising that the TG teams can compete, with only 10 practices all summer, probably 5 before first tournament, and probably without their actual coaches. That's what you get with TG, so if you want more, you go to YJ's. It's far from perfect there too, but they'll definitely offer more, and have more high level coaches. TG tries for more of a family atmosphere, much less intense, sort of take it or leave it, with SOME very good coaches. My son's travel team will have about 20 team practices, with their regular coaches, before their first tournament. You can't have everything, so you have to go wherever is best for your daughter and your family. We wish they have about twice as many practices, but we like TG, and so does our daughter, so it works for us, but not for everyone...

well said.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some people actually like the fact that TG don't over do the whole team thing trying to stuff extra team practices, training and tournaments down your throat, feeling like your going to be missing out/ left out if you don't participate. It is good to get involved with different people in in the millions of other lacrosse opportunities that are out there. It is nice to get away from some of the players and parents that you have been selected to play with and play with people you choose. If the only thing you do is tg lacrosse, then yes M&D or some of the YJ teams the girls will see more practice and training, but most girls from TG play 75% or more of their lacrosse in non TG events, thank goodness.

I think that the point of the original post was that none of the long island clubs are getting an appropriate amount of practice for the summer season compared to maryland teams, which do charge less and deliver more - that's an undisputable fact. the older teams, especially where most kids are committed or close to it could care less, but I'm sure the rest of the teams would like to have 15-20 practices by the time the summer season starts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bill fyi... Yellow jackets are practicing already... whats going on here. they have a leg up already.

Go look on the M&D and Skywalkers websites at their practice schedules - they will both have 30-40 practices before national draw and will have played a season of spring ball together. LI clubs are all about the money, Maryland charges less and delivers a lot more. Its a testament to the ability of LI kids that they can actually compete with these clubs considering the lack of practice time together

It is surprising that the TG teams can compete, with only 10 practices all summer, probably 5 before first tournament, and probably without their actual coaches. That's what you get with TG, so if you want more, you go to YJ's. It's far from perfect there too, but they'll definitely offer more, and have more high level coaches. TG tries for more of a family atmosphere, much less intense, sort of take it or leave it, with SOME very good coaches. My son's travel team will have about 20 team practices, with their regular coaches, before their first tournament. You can't have everything, so you have to go wherever is best for your daughter and your family. We wish they have about twice as many practices, but we like TG, and so does our daughter, so it works for us, but not for everyone...

Last I heard YJ were only advertising 10 practices per team as well...

How stupid are the people saying an Ivy league school will take only people that can write the check, the acceptance process to these schools are brutal, how many kids that could write the check, or play lax, or both get wait listed or denied because of poor grades. I mean a kid from William Floyd just got accepted to all the Ivy's and I'm positive his family can't write the check, or play lax, and he will not pay a dime to go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How stupid are the people saying an Ivy league school will take only people that can write the check, the acceptance process to these schools are brutal, how many kids that could write the check, or play lax, or both get wait listed or denied because of poor grades. I mean a kid from William Floyd just got accepted to all the Ivy's and I'm positive his family can't write the check, or play lax, and he will not pay a dime to go.

Most of the IVY's are 56-60 thousand with no athletic money but most will get a nice chunk of academic change. If your kid can play they really have a lot of flexibility on the entrance requirements. But that is also why ivy's offer commits late they want to see how the kids test and do in HS as opposed to some big time sport schools who will lock up a 6th grader who can't spell as long as they can play

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How stupid are the people saying an Ivy league school will take only people that can write the check, the acceptance process to these schools are brutal, how many kids that could write the check, or play lax, or both get wait listed or denied because of poor grades. I mean a kid from William Floyd just got accepted to all the Ivy's and I'm positive his family can't write the check, or play lax, and he will not pay a dime to go.

First of all, endowments are huge with the Ivy's and this translates to $$ based on need. But make no mistake, being able to "write a check" has no weight on gaining admittance. There are different "doors" aka athletics, legacy, - but unless admittance gives the thumbs up you're not getting in. Doesn't matter what size check you can write!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some simple facts
1. Y.J 2015 blue never won against MD lasers, Liberty 2015 black tied them

2. Sky walkers - Y.J. 2015 blue lost twice won once, Top guns 2015 black won by a goal, and lost by a goal or 2, liberty 2015 black lost by 2

3. liberty 2015 black lost to 2015 Skak by 1, and Top guns 2015 black by 1 in Florida before every team started holding try outs fir the U-15.

Sounds like liberty is in the mix, though Y.J. does win more games. As far as tournaments go, C.R. sends her teams to tournaments where she can control who her teams play, thats why the top 5 clubs rarely play them in pool play (give me what I want or I will take my ball and go home $$$$$$) When you have 5 teams per age group that translates to a lot of money for a tourney promoter. winning lax for a cure isn't that big a deal if you can make sure you reach the finals, if you know what I mean.

One thing is for sure, D.G sends a lot of girls to the Ivy's, so at the very least the smarter people are at liberty

Manhasett and garden city send kids everywhere because the parents can write the checks! 5-10K in scholarship and 40K check and the kids get to tell evrybody they play on a lax scholarship at whatever school - been the story for many years on the boys and girls side

You sound unfulfilled, jealous and quite frankly ignorant. Are you saying your kid will never go to college because you can't write the check?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some people actually like the fact that TG don't over do the whole team thing trying to stuff extra team practices, training and tournaments down your throat, feeling like your going to be missing out/ left out if you don't participate. It is good to get involved with different people in in the millions of other lacrosse opportunities that are out there. It is nice to get away from some of the players and parents that you have been selected to play with and play with people you choose. If the only thing you do is tg lacrosse, then yes M&D or some of the YJ teams the girls will see more practice and training, but most girls from TG play 75% or more of their lacrosse in non TG events, thank goodness.

Why would you want to pay the same or more for less. I would understand your attitude if TG was cheaper than these other clubs that offer more but it's not. In the end you are happy to pay more for less, naked no sense. I was hopefull that the coaching would improve as the program grew but has not been the case and have heard all the rumors of a lot of younger leaving after this season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some people actually like the fact that TG don't over do the whole team thing trying to stuff extra team practices, training and tournaments down your throat, feeling like your going to be missing out/ left out if you don't participate. It is good to get involved with different people in in the millions of other lacrosse opportunities that are out there. It is nice to get away from some of the players and parents that you have been selected to play with and play with people you choose. If the only thing you do is tg lacrosse, then yes M&D or some of the YJ teams the girls will see more practice and training, but most girls from TG play 75% or more of their lacrosse in non TG events, thank goodness.

Why would you want to pay the same or more for less. I would understand your attitude if TG was cheaper than these other clubs that offer more but it's not. In the end you are happy to pay more for less, naked no sense. I was hopefull that the coaching would improve as the program grew but has not been the case and have heard all the rumors of a lot of younger leaving after this season.

I think it has been adequately explained above that people choose their club based on intangibles other than money. Maybe you don't, but some people do. If someone is happy with their club, why do you care what they pay?

[/quote]
Manhasett and garden city send kids everywhere because the parents can write the checks! 5-10K in scholarship and 40K check and the kids get to tell evrybody they play on a lax scholarship at whatever school - been the story for many years on the boys and girls side [/quote]

You sound unfulfilled, jealous and quite frankly ignorant. Are you saying your kid will never go to college because you can't write the check? [/quote]

my goodness, are you serious? Your arrogance is astounding. Keep up the insults to the parents and kids, I'm sure it makes you feel better.

I Iive in Garden City. I pay $48,000 a year in property taxes. Does not bother me one bit. Maybe if you cared more about your education, you to could haves lived in Garden City. We should be bashed because we made the right decisions in life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I Iive in Garden City. I pay $48,000 a year in property taxes. Does not bother me one bit. Maybe if you cared more about your education, you to could haves lived in Garden City. We should be bashed because we made the right decisions in life.

Actually Cold Spring harbor and Jericho better school districts. Many kids who live in GC go to Private School, well the kids with money do...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I Iive in Garden City. I pay $48,000 a year in property taxes. Does not bother me one bit. Maybe if you cared more about your education, you to could haves lived in Garden City. We should be bashed because we made the right decisions in life.

what? You should be bashed because you made the right decision in life? Does the great education in Garden City include proof reading, so you know when you are missing the word "not"? All that education doesn't seem to teach common sense, or a bit of class.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I Iive in Garden City. I pay $48,000 a year in property taxes. Does not bother me one bit. Maybe if you cared more about your education, you to could haves lived in Garden City. We should be bashed because we made the right decisions in life.

My kid goes to suny farmingdale, our president says you are supposed to share with me.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some people actually like the fact that TG don't over do the whole team thing trying to stuff extra team practices, training and tournaments down your throat, feeling like your going to be missing out/ left out if you don't participate. It is good to get involved with different people in in the millions of other lacrosse opportunities that are out there. It is nice to get away from some of the players and parents that you have been selected to play with and play with people you choose. If the only thing you do is tg lacrosse, then yes M&D or some of the YJ teams the girls will see more practice and training, but most girls from TG play 75% or more of their lacrosse in non TG events, thank goodness.

Why would you want to pay the same or more for less. I would understand your attitude if TG was cheaper than these other clubs that offer more but it's not. In the end you are happy to pay more for less, naked no sense. I was hopefull that the coaching would improve as the program grew but has not been the case and have heard all the rumors of a lot of younger leaving after this season.

I think it has been adequately explained above that people choose their club based on intangibles other than money. Maybe you don't, but some people do. If someone is happy with their club, why do you care what they pay?

Very happy with TG. Not looking to burn daughters out with lax all year round. They are above average players in multiple sports and we can do that because of the scheduling. When there is extra time they are in the backyard working on the wall or shooting on net. Don't need to change anything, coaches don't care who wins or loses the game when you get to showcases, but rather how daughter plays overall and as a team player. Don't get crazy and enjoy life, it is not all abot lax!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some people actually like the fact that TG don't over do the whole team thing trying to stuff extra team practices, training and tournaments down your throat, feeling like your going to be missing out/ left out if you don't participate. It is good to get involved with different people in in the millions of other lacrosse opportunities that are out there. It is nice to get away from some of the players and parents that you have been selected to play with and play with people you choose. If the only thing you do is tg lacrosse, then yes M&D or some of the YJ teams the girls will see more practice and training, but most girls from TG play 75% or more of their lacrosse in non TG events, thank goodness.

Why would you want to pay the same or more for less. I would understand your attitude if TG was cheaper than these other clubs that offer more but it's not. In the end you are happy to pay more for less, naked no sense. I was hopefull that the coaching would improve as the program grew but has not been the case and have heard all the rumors of a lot of younger leaving after this season.

Rumors are just that, until you see people moving it is just talk. Although there was a mass exodus for the one team SS coached, not sure what that says about the program or SS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I Iive in Garden City. I pay $48,000 a year in property taxes. Does not bother me one bit. Maybe if you cared more about your education, you to could haves lived in Garden City. We should be bashed because we made the right decisions in life.

Actually Cold Spring harbor and Jericho better school districts. Many kids who live in GC go to Private School, well the kids with money do...

Not sure what you are basing that on. Please don't tell me how many kids take AP exams because if you are educated on this subject you know that the number of students who take an AP class is far different from those who actually complete it and different still from actual scores.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some people actually like the fact that TG don't over do the whole team thing trying to stuff extra team practices, training and tournaments down your throat, feeling like your going to be missing out/ left out if you don't participate. It is good to get involved with different people in in the millions of other lacrosse opportunities that are out there. It is nice to get away from some of the players and parents that you have been selected to play with and play with people you choose. If the only thing you do is tg lacrosse, then yes M&D or some of the YJ teams the girls will see more practice and training, but most girls from TG play 75% or more of their lacrosse in non TG events, thank goodness.

Why would you want to pay the same or more for less. I would understand your attitude if TG was cheaper than these other clubs that offer more but it's not. In the end you are happy to pay more for less, naked no sense. I was hopefull that the coaching would improve as the program grew but has not been the case and have heard all the rumors of a lot of younger leaving after this season.

Rumors are just that, until you see people moving it is just talk. Although there was a mass exodus for the one team SS coached, not sure what that says about the program or SS.

Every year, well over 100 girls tryout for 2018, due to SS coaching at that level. What mass exodus are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some people actually like the fact that TG don't over do the whole team thing trying to stuff extra team practices, training and tournaments down your throat, feeling like your going to be missing out/ left out if you don't participate. It is good to get involved with different people in in the millions of other lacrosse opportunities that are out there. It is nice to get away from some of the players and parents that you have been selected to play with and play with people you choose. If the only thing you do is tg lacrosse, then yes M&D or some of the YJ teams the girls will see more practice and training, but most girls from TG play 75% or more of their lacrosse in non TG events, thank goodness.

Why would you want to pay the same or more for less. I would understand your attitude if TG was cheaper than these other clubs that offer more but it's not. In the end you are happy to pay more for less, naked no sense. I was hopefull that the coaching would improve as the program grew but has not been the case and have heard all the rumors of a lot of younger leaving after this season.

I think it has been adequately explained above that people choose their club based on intangibles other than money. Maybe you don't, but some people do. If someone is happy with their club, why do you care what they pay?

Exactly. Most people, who are in this for the right reasons, aren't comparing unit prices for each practice, and each item that's included. You should be paying for the overall experience, and what you're looking to get out of it, for your daughter, and your family.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I Iive in Garden City. I pay $48,000 a year in property taxes. Does not bother me one bit. Maybe if you cared more about your education, you to could haves lived in Garden City. We should be bashed because we made the right decisions in life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I Iive in Garden City. I pay $48,000 a year in property taxes. Does not bother me one bit. Maybe if you cared more about your education, you to could haves lived in Garden City. We should be bashed because we made the right decisions in life.

Let me get this straight. You are bragging about paying $48,000 a year in property taxes! I don't care how much money I make. I would never want to pay property taxes that were $48,000. It's not how much you make, it's how much you keep.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some people actually like the fact that TG don't over do the whole team thing trying to stuff extra team practices, training and tournaments down your throat, feeling like your going to be missing out/ left out if you don't participate. It is good to get involved with different people in in the millions of other lacrosse opportunities that are out there. It is nice to get away from some of the players and parents that you have been selected to play with and play with people you choose. If the only thing you do is tg lacrosse, then yes M&D or some of the YJ teams the girls will see more practice and training, but most girls from TG play 75% or more of their lacrosse in non TG events, thank goodness.

Why would you want to pay the same or more for less. I would understand your attitude if TG was cheaper than these other clubs that offer more but it's not. In the end you are happy to pay more for less, naked no sense. I was hopefull that the coaching would improve as the program grew but has not been the case and have heard all the rumors of a lot of younger leaving after this season.

Rumors are just that, until you see people moving it is just talk. Although there was a mass exodus for the one team SS coached, not sure what that says about the program or SS.

Every year, well over 100 girls tryout for 2018, due to SS coaching at that level. What mass exodus are you talking about?

You are likely underestimating the number of girls, more in the 125 to 150 range. There is no lack of interest of girls who want to play on the black team in that age group, these are girls on the outside looking in. But a large fraction of last years players flat out left. ????

The YJ and TG look like they offer 10 practices and about the same amount of summer tournaments. It looks pretty even probably decided by where you live for Nassau residents TG is alot closer does anybody really want to get in their car early on Sunday mornings and drive all the way out east for practice on a dirt field. YJ do offer more clinics in the winter and fall tournaments which are not included in your initial costs. You get more and pay more.

Perfect post. A well rounded "team" player will get looks and offers.

Let me tell you what this guy really means...........I Iive in Garden City. I pay $48,000 a year in property taxes. I AM A MORON.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Perfect post. A well rounded "team" player will get looks and offers.

What post are you replying to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me tell you what this guy really means...........I Iive in Garden City. I pay $48,000 a year in property taxes. I AM A MORON.

and he has a YJ bumper sticker in his Range Rover.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Perfect post. A well rounded "team" player will get looks and offers.

What post are you replying to?

It doesn't matter what club your daddy pays for. If you're a selfish player you will get passed up for the girl who is a utility player regardless of your zip code

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me tell you what this guy really means...........I Iive in Garden City. I pay $48,000 a year in property taxes. I AM A MORON.

and he has a YJ bumper sticker in his Range Rover.

Why the f$&k would anyone pay that to live on an island that is slowly going down the crapper. Oh and daddy. Your high tax bill doesn't mean little Suzy isn't drinking and partying with her friends. She's probably paying for it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me tell you what this guy really means...........I Iive in Garden City. I pay $48,000 a year in property taxes. I AM A MORON.

and he has a YJ bumper sticker in his Range Rover.

Why the f$&k would anyone pay that to live on an island that is slowly going down the crapper. Oh and daddy. Your high tax bill doesn't mean little Suzy isn't drinking and partying with her friends. She's probably paying for it

And riding a party bus to the Hamptons? LOL

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me tell you what this guy really means...........I Iive in Garden City. I pay $48,000 a year in property taxes. I AM A MORON.

and he has a YJ bumper sticker in his Range Rover.

Why the f$&k would anyone pay that to live on an island that is slowly going down the crapper. Oh and daddy. Your high tax bill doesn't mean little Suzy isn't drinking and partying with her friends. She's probably paying for it

And riding a party bus to the Hamptons? LOL

While the rest of you clean up the trash

Some of us actually do very well for ourselves and refuse to pay $48,000 for what? Please, enlighten me on what we would get if we paid that over budget amount? Oh & the guy picking up the trash has a better pension then you. That's one of the place the $ is going to.

This island has changed and sadly will continue to erode. Taxes, LILCO, LIPA, PS�G, multiple level government, Insurance, I can go all day on what we overpay for on an island that was great.

I am encouraging my kids not to live here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of us actually do very well for ourselves and refuse to pay $48,000 for what? Please, enlighten me on what we would get if we paid that over budget amount? Oh & the guy picking up the trash has a better pension then you. That's one of the place the $ is going to.

This island has changed and sadly will continue to erode. Taxes, LILCO, LIPA, PS�G, multiple level government, Insurance, I can go all day on what we overpay for on an island that was great.

I am encouraging my kids not to live here.

Can you end this thread as it no longer has to do with Top Guns. Please!!!

Let me get this straight, this is topguns thread? people on LI pay too much in taxes and Lipa, pseg, and insurance. the island is eroding. the garbage man has a great pension. and its all Bill's fault that you are encouraging your child to move off LI .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me get this straight, this is topguns thread? people on LI pay too much in taxes and Lipa, pseg, and insurance. the island is eroding. the garbage man has a great pension. and its all Bill's fault that you are encouraging your child to move off LI .

lol! now, back to TG - has anyone seen the new uniforms yet?

Yeah yellow and blue with a bee in the middle

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me get this straight, this is topguns thread? people on LI pay too much in taxes and Lipa, pseg, and insurance. the island is eroding. the garbage man has a great pension. and its all Bill's fault that you are encouraging your child to move off LI .

lol! now, back to TG - has anyone seen the new uniforms yet?

Last week I saw bigfoot, loche ness and even a ufo. They all actually exist as it turns out. As far as the uniforms, there have been no confirmed sightings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me get this straight, this is topguns thread? people on LI pay too much in taxes and Lipa, pseg, and insurance. the island is eroding. the garbage man has a great pension. and its all Bill's fault that you are encouraging your child to move off LI .

lol! now, back to TG - has anyone seen the new uniforms yet?

Last week I saw bigfoot, loche ness and even a ufo. They all actually exist as it turns out. As far as the uniforms, there have been no confirmed sightings.

I should've known the dumb replies would come right out. dumb question I guess. just trying to change subject.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah yellow and blue with a bee in the middle

NEVER!

Maybe it's the bumble bee's fault. How can we get back to Top Gin talk when nothing has happened yet. My daughter did enjoy the first practice and had a great time.

Any coaches in TG organization that have been successful this year coaching their school team , seems no one in the organization has a team that will make the playoffs . Abandon ship, it is sinking ,where are these great coaches I have been hearing about?

Wanna talk about sinking ships?? How's Northport doing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wanna talk about sinking ships?? How's Northport doing?

2nd place...kinda where they've been for a while!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wanna talk about sinking ships?? How's Northport doing?

Second place. How YOU doing?

Seriously you bring up Northport who are currently in 2 nd place and will be making the playoffs . How have your TG " best coaches " doing. Hofstra more losses than wins w no NCAA bid , East Islip having a stellar year , what 16 th place not making playoffs , more losses than wins. I would leave this discussion to die if you are a TG fan , a lot of the top teams are being coached by YJ staff , just the way it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wanna talk about sinking ships?? How's Northport doing?

2nd place...kinda where they've been for a while!!!

9-5....and lost every big game this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wanna talk about sinking ships?? How's Northport doing?

Second place. How YOU doing?

1st Place!

Xoxoxo
West Islip Girls Lacrosse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Wanna talk about sinking ships?? How's Northport doing?

2nd place...kinda where they've been for a while!!!

9-5....and lost every big game this year

Early exit from the playoffs coming right up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any coaches in TG organization that have been successful this year coaching their school team , seems no one in the organization has a team that will make the playoffs . Abandon ship, it is sinking ,where are these great coaches I have been hearing about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any coaches in TG organization that have been successful this year coaching their school team , seems no one in the organization has a team that will make the playoffs . Abandon ship, it is sinking ,where are these great coaches I have been hearing about?

If you are a bee, why do you come to this thread. I don't find myself going to the bee's sight. Get a life u loser.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously you bring up Northport who are currently in 2 nd place and will be making the playoffs . How have your TG " best coaches " doing. Hofstra more losses than wins w no NCAA bid , East Islip having a stellar year , what 16 th place not making playoffs , more losses than wins. I would leave this discussion to die if you are a TG fan , a lot of the top teams are being coached by YJ staff , just the way it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously you bring up Northport who are currently in 2 nd place and will be making the playoffs . How have your TG " best coaches " doing. Hofstra more losses than wins w no NCAA bid , East Islip having a stellar year , what 16 th place not making playoffs , more losses than wins. I would leave this discussion to die if you are a TG fan , a lot of the top teams are being coached by YJ staff , just the way it is.

Isn't it the players that play. Coach this, coach that. Why do you come on this site to bash people.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Wanna talk about sinking ships?? How's Northport doing?

2nd place...kinda where they've been for a while!!!

9-5....and lost every big game this year

Early exit from the playoffs coming right up.

That Stings!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Wanna talk about sinking ships?? How's Northport doing?

2nd place...kinda where they've been for a while!!!

9-5....and lost every big game this year

Early exit from the playoffs coming right up.

Unless they get to play EI or Hofstra, lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any coaches in TG organization that have been successful this year coaching their school team , seems no one in the organization has a team that will make the playoffs . Abandon ship, it is sinking ,where are these great coaches I have been hearing about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any coaches in TG organization that have been successful this year coaching their school team , seems no one in the organization has a team that will make the playoffs . Abandon ship, it is sinking ,where are these great coaches I have been hearing about?

If you are a bee, why do you come to this thread. I don't find myself going to the bee's sight. Get a life u loser.

Because his daughter got cut from black so now he hides on this site and bashes TG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any coaches in TG organization that have been successful this year coaching their school team , seems no one in the organization has a team that will make the playoffs . Abandon ship, it is sinking ,where are these great coaches I have been hearing about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any coaches in TG organization that have been successful this year coaching their school team , seems no one in the organization has a team that will make the playoffs . Abandon ship, it is sinking ,where are these great coaches I have been hearing about?

If you are a bee, why do you come to this thread. I don't find myself going to the bee's sight. Get a life u loser.

Because his daughter got cut from black so now he hides on this site and bashes TG

Exactly...there are many of those who didn't make black, and fled the program, but some on here, and bash TG. That's why we all need to take this stuff with a grain of salt, and just be happy if you're kids are happy, and it works for your family!

Too funny , the only argument you guys offer is if it works for you and if your kids are happy , believe me the kids are equally happy in all the programs just some have legit coaching while others have college kids .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny , the only argument you guys offer is if it works for you and if your kids are happy , believe me the kids are equally happy in all the programs just some have legit coaching while others have college kids .

How's Connetquot doing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny , the only argument you guys offer is if it works for you and if your kids are happy , believe me the kids are equally happy in all the programs just some have legit coaching while others have college kids .

How's Connetquot doing?

About equal to EI much worse than Northport, Mt.Sinai, Huntington, ESM, Sayville. Maybe Shannon can take Connetquot over and in a couple years they will have an almost 500 record.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny , the only argument you guys offer is if it works for you and if your kids are happy , believe me the kids are equally happy in all the programs just some have legit coaching while others have college kids .

And yet when the top teams do play each other in games spanning the age groups, it is a even split of who wins, so the coaching doesn't really seem to matter one bit. Not all of the YJ coaches are competent as you may think, many of these college athletes have vastly more experience at the highest level. As most of you that have varsity experience will know that many varsity coaches aren't all that. Does coming on this site and proclaiming my club's coaches are better than your club's coaches, really make you feel better? I wonder if your dad could beat up my dad. So childish, got to laugh.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny , the only argument you guys offer is if it works for you and if your kids are happy , believe me the kids are equally happy in all the programs just some have legit coaching while others have college kids .

How's Connetquot doing?

About equal to EI much worse than Northport, Mt.Sinai, Huntington, ESM, Sayville. Maybe Shannon can take Connetquot over and in a couple years they will have an almost 500 record.

Maybe SS will take oveR WesthamptOn and move Your daughter to defense

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny , the only argument you guys offer is if it works for you and if your kids are happy , believe me the kids are equally happy in all the programs just some have legit coaching while others have college kids .

And yet when the top teams do play each other in games spanning the age groups, it is a even split of who wins, so the coaching doesn't really seem to matter one bit. Not all of the YJ coaches are competent as you may think, many of these college athletes have vastly more experience at the highest level. As most of you that have varsity experience will know that many varsity coaches aren't all that. Does coming on this site and proclaiming my club's coaches are better than your club's coaches, really make you feel better? I wonder if your dad could beat up my dad. So childish, got to laugh.

Yes, it is really ridiculous, all this dumb comparing!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny , the only argument you guys offer is if it works for you and if your kids are happy , believe me the kids are equally happy in all the programs just some have legit coaching while others have college kids .

And yet when the top teams do play each other in games spanning the age groups, it is a even split of who wins, so the coaching doesn't really seem to matter one bit. Not all of the YJ coaches are competent as you may think, many of these college athletes have vastly more experience at the highest level. As most of you that have varsity experience will know that many varsity coaches aren't all that. Does coming on this site and proclaiming my club's coaches are better than your club's coaches, really make you feel better? I wonder if your dad could beat up my dad. So childish, got to laugh.

You are clueless , split down the middle , not even close.

2014 YJ has dominated
2015. YJ. Has dominated
2016. Yj has won every time
2017. Yj has won everytime
2018. Yj has won everytime except 1 tie
2019. Never played
2020. TG Not very even , once the teams get mixed as YJ does not send their recruited kids to recruiting events your TG may win a few , and yes you won at the U15 but not an even split

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny , the only argument you guys offer is if it works for you and if your kids are happy , believe me the kids are equally happy in all the programs just some have legit coaching while others have college kids .

How's Connetquot doing?

Lol! There's a YJ coach for you!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny , the only argument you guys offer is if it works for you and if your kids are happy , believe me the kids are equally happy in all the programs just some have legit coaching while others have college kids .

And yet when the top teams do play each other in games spanning the age groups, it is a even split of who wins, so the coaching doesn't really seem to matter one bit. Not all of the YJ coaches are competent as you may think, many of these college athletes have vastly more experience at the highest level. As most of you that have varsity experience will know that many varsity coaches aren't all that. Does coming on this site and proclaiming my club's coaches are better than your club's coaches, really make you feel better? I wonder if your dad could beat up my dad. So childish, got to laugh.

You are clueless , split down the middle , not even close.

2014 YJ has dominated
2015. YJ. Has dominated
2016. Yj has won every time
2017. Yj has won everytime
2018. Yj has won everytime except 1 tie
2019. Never played
2020. TG Not very even , once the teams get mixed as YJ does not send their recruited kids to recruiting events your TG may win a few , and yes you won at the U15 but not an even split

Many of us don't care...go back to your arrogant YJ thread, where you belong. Where do you get your inaccurate info? You obviously haven't seen EVERY game, at EVERY age group. Those are stupid blanket statements. What will you do when your daughter is done with lacrosse? Maybe then you'll get a life, but probably not...probably keep collecting disability

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny , the only argument you guys offer is if it works for you and if your kids are happy , believe me the kids are equally happy in all the programs just some have legit coaching while others have college kids .

Being happy playing lacrosse, and having a good experience is not an argument, you dope. It's the reason most kids should be playing travel lacrosse, but of course you don't understand - you're not very bright. Most of the college kids have played the game at the highest level, and have been coached by the best in the game, where they've learned the intricate details, which many "non-college kid" coaches (and you) will never learn, or understand. Some of them still need work on their coaching skills, which will come with experience, but many of them are VERY good already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny , the only argument you guys offer is if it works for you and if your kids are happy , believe me the kids are equally happy in all the programs just some have legit coaching while others have college kids .

Being happy playing lacrosse, and having a good experience is not an argument, you dope. It's the reason most kids should be playing travel lacrosse, but of course you don't understand - you're not very bright. Most of the college kids have played the game at the highest level, and have been coached by the best in the game, where they've learned the intricate details, which many "non-college kid" coaches (and you) will never learn, or understand. Some of them still need work on their coaching skills, which will come with experience, but many of them are VERY good already.

Get over yourself " intricate details" it's girls lacrosse not brain surgery.Please tell us the intricate details your coach has learned playing mens lacrosse in college, the best coach in your program is a high school coach. It's shows how clueless you are when you would prefer some college kid coach instead of an established high school coach with a college kid coach as an assistant. It was so much fun watching one of your college coaches get to drunk to walk a few years back in front of his team, I guess they just need to work on their coaching skills. Intricate details what a tool bag.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny , the only argument you guys offer is if it works for you and if your kids are happy , believe me the kids are equally happy in all the programs just some have legit coaching while others have college kids .

Being happy playing lacrosse, and having a good experience is not an argument, you dope. It's the reason most kids should be playing travel lacrosse, but of course you don't understand - you're not very bright. Most of the college kids have played the game at the highest level, and have been coached by the best in the game, where they've learned the intricate details, which many "non-college kid" coaches (and you) will never learn, or understand. Some of them still need work on their coaching skills, which will come with experience, but many of them are VERY good already.

Get over yourself " intricate details" it's girls lacrosse not brain surgery.Please tell us the intricate details your coach has learned playing mens lacrosse in college, the best coach in your program is a high school coach. It's shows how clueless you are when you would prefer some college kid coach instead of an established high school coach with a college kid coach as an assistant. It was so much fun watching one of your college coaches get to drunk to walk a few years back in front of his team, I guess they just need to work on their coaching skills. Intricate details what a tool bag.

Like I said, you're not very bright, so I won't waste too much time picking apart each of your ignorant statements. You obviously don't know the details of the game (you're a simpleton), you don't know where my daughter's coach played in college (she didn't play men's lacrosse), you don't know all the coaches in the program, or how good they are, and you don't know what I prefer (I never mentioned that), so keep talking your immature nonsense tough guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny , the only argument you guys offer is if it works for you and if your kids are happy , believe me the kids are equally happy in all the programs just some have legit coaching while others have college kids .

Being happy playing lacrosse, and having a good experience is not an argument, you dope. It's the reason most kids should be playing travel lacrosse, but of course you don't understand - you're not very bright. Most of the college kids have played the game at the highest level, and have been coached by the best in the game, where they've learned the intricate details, which many "non-college kid" coaches (and you) will never learn, or understand. Some of them still need work on their coaching skills, which will come with experience, but many of them are VERY good already.

Get over yourself " intricate details" it's girls lacrosse not brain surgery.Please tell us the intricate details your coach has learned playing mens lacrosse in college, the best coach in your program is a high school coach. It's shows how clueless you are when you would prefer some college kid coach instead of an established high school coach with a college kid coach as an assistant. It was so much fun watching one of your college coaches get to drunk to walk a few years back in front of his team, I guess they just need to work on their coaching skills. Intricate details what a tool bag.

Whatever club you come from, this is the exact attitude of parents that no club wants any part of. You are embarrassing yourself and your club coming on this thread and stomping your feet having a hissy fit over "an opinion". You got to move on and I'm sure CR would tell you the same thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny , the only argument you guys offer is if it works for you and if your kids are happy , believe me the kids are equally happy in all the programs just some have legit coaching while others have college kids .

Being happy playing lacrosse, and having a good experience is not an argument, you dope. It's the reason most kids should be playing travel lacrosse, but of course you don't understand - you're not very bright. Most of the college kids have played the game at the highest level, and have been coached by the best in the game, where they've learned the intricate details, which many "non-college kid" coaches (and you) will never learn, or understand. Some of them still need work on their coaching skills, which will come with experience, but many of them are VERY good already.

Get over yourself " intricate details" it's girls lacrosse not brain surgery.Please tell us the intricate details your coach has learned playing mens lacrosse in college, the best coach in your program is a high school coach. It's shows how clueless you are when you would prefer some college kid coach instead of an established high school coach with a college kid coach as an assistant. It was so much fun watching one of your college coaches get to drunk to walk a few years back in front of his team, I guess they just need to work on their coaching skills. Intricate details what a tool bag.

Like I said, you're not very bright, so I won't waste too much time picking apart each of your ignorant statements. You obviously don't know the details of the game (you're a simpleton), you don't know where my daughter's coach played in college (she didn't play men's lacrosse), you don't know all the coaches in the program, or how good they are, and you don't know what I prefer (I never mentioned that), so keep talking your immature nonsense tough guy.

"Intricate Details" okay Mr. Lacrosse expert, don't need to know your daughters coach to know she has little chance to be an elite player with a father like you. Actually I do know all of the coaches in your program and the best ones are not college players you dope.In terms of what you prefer I think it's obvious you prefer the intricate details of ballet over sports if your super bright mind gets my meaning Sally. Go have a conversation with any college coach and they will tell you they are looking for athletic kids that are beasts on the field not your " intricate detailed " kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny , the only argument you guys offer is if it works for you and if your kids are happy
, believe me the kids are equally happy in all the programs just some have legit coaching while others have college kids .

And yet when the top teams do play each other in games spanning the age groups, it is a even split of who wins, so the coaching doesn't really seem to matter one bit. Not all of the YJ coaches are competent as you may think, many of these college athletes have vastly more experience at the highest level. As most of you that have varsity experience will know that many varsity coaches aren't all that. Does coming on this site and proclaiming my club's coaches are better than your club's coaches, really make you feel better? I wonder if your dad could beat up my dad. So childish, got to laugh.

You are clueless , split down the middle , not even close.

2014 YJ has dominated
2015. YJ. Has dominated
2016. Yj has won every time
2017. Yj has won everytime
2018. Yj has won everytime except 1 tie
2019. Never played
2020. TG Not very even , once the teams get mixed as YJ does not send their recruited kids to recruiting events your TG may win a few , and yes you won at the U15 but not an even split

Many of us don't care...go back to your arrogant YJ thread, where you belong. Where do you get your inaccurate info? You obviously haven't seen EVERY game, at EVERY age group. Those are stupid blanket statements. What will you do when your daughter is done with lacrosse? Maybe then you'll get a life, but probably not...probably keep collecting disability

You have a TG parent posting that the games have been evenly split between the top teams ( not even close) .Curious , no blanket statement , which age group other than 2020( babies) has it been evenly split or as in the 2020 age group gone TG way.If you want to say some of the age groups are getting close , go ahead but evenly split you are delusional. When you use terms like get a life it's obvious that your statement of not caring is BS.If your kid is happy playing TG good for them but do not post on a public forum nonsense that involves other clubs that you are obsessed with.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny , the only argument you guys offer is if it works for you and if your kids are happy , believe me the kids are equally happy in all the programs just some have legit coaching while others have college kids .

Being happy playing lacrosse, and having a good experience is not an argument, you dope. It's the reason most kids should be playing travel lacrosse, but of course you don't understand - you're not very bright. Most of the college kids have played the game at the highest level, and have been coached by the best in the game, where they've learned the intricate details, which many "non-collegpe kid" coaches (and you) will never learn, or understand. Some of them still need work on their coaching skills, which will come with experience, but many of them are VERY good already.

Get over yourself " intricate details" it's girls lacrosse not brain surgery.Please tell us the intricate details your coach has learned playing mens lacrosse in college, the best coach in your program is a high school coach. It's shows how clueless you are when you would prefer some college kid coach instead of an established high school coach with a college kid coach as an assistant. It was so much fun watching one of your college coaches get to drunk to walk a few years back in front of his team, I guess they just need to work on their coaching skills. Intricate details what a tool bag.

Like I said, you're not very bright, so I won't waste too much time picking apart each of your ignorant statements. You obviously don't know the details of the game (you're a simpleton), you don't know where my daughter's coach played in college (she didn't play men's lacrosse), you don't know all the coaches in the program, or how good they are, and you don't know what I prefer (I never mentioned that), so keep talking your immature nonsense tough guy.

"Intricate Details" okay Mr. Lacrosse expert, don't need to know your daughters coach to know she has little chance to be an elite player with a father like you. Actually I do know all of the coaches in your program and the best ones are not college players you dope.In terms of what you prefer I think it's obvious you prefer the intricate details of ballet over sports if your super bright mind gets my meaning Sally. Go have a conversation with any college coach and they will tell you they are looking for athletic kids that are beasts on the field not your " intricate detailed " kid.

This is why TG will continue to grow and prosper, who in their right mind would want to join a club and have to stand on the sidelines next to you.

I guess you have never stood on a sideline next to BS. You have joined a club that the owner of has said many far worse things in much more profane language than that. You post these nonsense replies when it is so transparent you could not possibly believe them yourself, go ask BS for his opinion on the matter or his opinion of any other club and see what comes out of that discussion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess you have never stood on a sideline next to BS. You have joined a club that the owner of has said many far worse things in much more profane language than that. You post these nonsense replies when it is so transparent you could not possibly believe them yourself, go ask BS for his opinion on the matter or his opinion of any other club and see what comes out of that discussion.

You keep proving the point, you come across over the top obsessed, let it go and go away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess you have never stood on a sideline next to BS. You have joined a club that the owner of has said many far worse things in much more profane language than that. You post these nonsense replies when it is so transparent you could not possibly believe them yourself, go ask BS for his opinion on the matter or his opinion of any other club and see what comes out of that discussion.

I have been at games where BS is and I haven't ever seent this behavior. Not saying it didn't happen but I am saying it's obviously not as prevalent as you want to proclaim. With all the behind-the-scenes power plays by CR, I think that you are in a glass house and should not throw stones because your club head does not have clean hands.

What I really don't understand is the constant attacks on the TG club. Why do you care? So much? On and on for years. You're happy with your club so just go be happy, or can you only build yourself up by tearing someone else down?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny , the only argument you guys offer is if it works for you and if your kids are happy , believe me the kids are equally happy in all the programs just some have legit coaching while others have college kids .

Being happy playing lacrosse, and having a good experience is not an argument, you dope. It's the reason most kids should be playing travel lacrosse, but of course you don't understand - you're not very bright. Most of the college kids have played the game at the highest level, and have been coached by the best in the game, where they've learned the intricate details, which many "non-college kid" coaches (and you) will never learn, or understand. Some of them still need work on their coaching skills, which will come with experience, but many of them are VERY good already.

Get over yourself " intricate details" it's girls lacrosse not brain surgery.Please tell us the intricate details your coach has learned playing mens lacrosse in college, the best coach in your program is a high school coach. It's shows how clueless you are when you would prefer some college kid coach instead of an established high school coach with a college kid coach as an assistant. It was so much fun watching one of your college coaches get to drunk to walk a few years back in front of his team, I guess they just need to work on their coaching skills. Intricate details what a tool bag.

How about your YJ high school coach who the police asked to move from behind the field at National Draw because he was drinking beer and spitting chewing tobacco?? Classy!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny , the only argument you guys offer is if it works for you and if your kids are happy , believe me the kids are equally happy in all the programs just some have legit coaching while others have college kids .

Being happy playing lacrosse, and having a good experience is not an argument, you dope. It's the reason most kids should be playing travel lacrosse, but of course you don't understand - you're not very bright. Most of the college kids have played the game at the highest level, and have been coached by the best in the game, where they've learned the intricate details, which many "non-college kid" coaches (and you) will never learn, or understand. Some of them still need work on their coaching skills, which will come with experience, but many of them are VERY good already.

Get over yourself " intricate details" it's girls lacrosse not brain surgery.Please tell us the intricate details your coach has learned playing mens lacrosse in college, the best coach in your program is a high school coach. It's shows how clueless you are when you would prefer some college kid coach instead of an established high school coach with a college kid coach as an assistant. It was so much fun watching one of your college coaches get to drunk to walk a few years back in front of his team, I guess they just need to work on their coaching skills. Intricate details what a tool bag.

How about your YJ high school coach who the police asked to move from behind the field at National Draw because he was drinking beer and spitting chewing tobacco?? Classy!!

Never happened , that being said I have enjoyed a beer or two with many TG and YJ parents at some of these tournaments. Not really a big deal.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess you have never stood on a sideline next to BS. You have joined a club that the owner of has said many far worse things in much more profane language than that. You post these nonsense replies when it is so transparent you could not possibly believe them yourself, go ask BS for his opinion on the matter or his opinion of any other club and see what comes out of that discussion.

I have been at games where BS is and I haven't ever seent this behavior. Not saying it didn't happen but I am saying it's obviously not as prevalent as you want to proclaim. With all the behind-the-scenes power plays by CR, I think that you are in a glass house and should not throw stones because your club head does not have clean hands.

What I really don't understand is the constant attacks on the TG club. Why do you care? So much? On and on for years. You're happy with your club so just go be happy, or can you only build yourself up by tearing someone else down?

Powder your obsession with all things YJ or CR has been well documented along with your CR conspiracy theories. I like most TG people but do not like when people come on and state things that are not even close to factually correct and will call them out on it. I guarantee you if pictures of SS were posted on this site and you had posters going after her looks in any way I would call them out on it. Have not seen your outrage when it happens the other way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess you have never stood on a sideline next to BS. You have joined a club that the owner of has said many far worse things in much more profane language than that. You post these nonsense replies when it is so transparent you could not possibly believe them yourself, go ask BS for his opinion on the matter or his opinion of any other club and see what comes out of that discussion.

I have been at games where BS is and I haven't ever seent this behavior. Not saying it didn't happen but I am saying it's obviously not as prevalent as you want to proclaim. With all the behind-the-scenes power plays by CR, I think that you are in a glass house and should not throw stones because your club head does not have clean hands.

What I really don't understand is the constant attacks on the TG club. Why do you care? So much? On and on for years. You're happy with your club so just go be happy, or can you only build yourself up by tearing someone else down?

Powder your obsession with all things YJ or CR has been well documented along with your CR conspiracy theories. I like most TG people but do not like when people come on and state things that are not even close to factually correct and will call them out on it. I guarantee you if pictures of SS were posted on this site and you had posters going after her looks in any way I would call them out on it. Have not seen your outrage when it happens the other way.

Obsession? Hardly. It looks more to me like more people are posting on the TG thread trying to bash the program and its various components. That seems a bit more obsessed to me. But happy to see you are so fair-minded, although I'm a little confused about why you claim you are a TG parent who would "also" stand up to defend SS. FTR, there has been plenty of CR and YJ bashing on this forum for years that I was not involved with, so don't target me because I have a recognizable handle unlike you, who is just one of a thousand anons. I only know what I've seen.

Powder , fair enough, no one would want to count but just by the number of posts there are a lot more bashers on YJ thread and others such as schoolgirls then on TG thread.That being said I think you have me confused w another poster as I have not claimed to be a TG parent, understandable considering the posts are anonymous. The one thing I think all should agree about is not bashing any identified individual , bash me all you want I am anonymous . Not sure of your daughters age , but have the games vs YJ blue been evenly divided, not talking about mixed YJ group after most of team has been recruited if at that age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Powder , fair enough, no one would want to count but just by the number of posts there are a lot more bashers on YJ thread and others such as schoolgirls then on TG thread.That being said I think you have me confused w another poster as I have not claimed to be a TG parent, understandable considering the posts are anonymous. The one thing I think all should agree about is not bashing any identified individual , bash me all you want I am anonymous . Not sure of your daughters age , but have the games vs YJ blue been evenly divided, not talking about mixed YJ group after most of team has been recruited if at that age.

Agree 100% on not bashing any of the girls in any specific way. I'm not all the clear on what else you're asking though. Are there more bashers on the YJ thread? Quite possibly. I really have no idea what you're asking about YJ games though.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Powder , fair enough, no one would want to count but just by the number of posts there are a lot more bashers on YJ thread and others such as schoolgirls then on TG thread.That being said I think you have me confused w another poster as I have not claimed to be a TG parent, understandable considering the posts are anonymous. The one thing I think all should agree about is not bashing any identified individual , bash me all you want I am anonymous . Not sure of your daughters age , but have the games vs YJ blue been evenly divided, not talking about mixed YJ group after most of team has been recruited if at that age.

Agree 100% on not bashing any of the girls in any specific way. I'm not all the clear on what else you're asking though. Are there more bashers on the YJ thread? Quite possibly. I really have no idea what you're asking about YJ games though.

Not really important . I know the history when my daughters team has played TG but have only been told by others how each age has faired when playing TG. Was curious as to your daughters teams history when playing YJ blue in her age group. The other thing is simply there have been way more posts bashing YJ on BOC than TG so it goes both ways and some have been hostile and disgusting in regard to CR.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Powder , fair enough, no one would want to count but just by the number of posts there are a lot more bashers on YJ thread and others such as schoolgirls then on TG thread.That being said I think you have me confused w another poster as I have not claimed to be a TG parent, understandable considering the posts are anonymous. The one thing I think all should agree about is not bashing any identified individual , bash me all you want I am anonymous . Not sure of your daughters age , but have the games vs YJ blue been evenly divided, not talking about mixed YJ group after most of team has been recruited if at that age.

Agree 100% on not bashing any of the girls in any specific way. I'm not all the clear on what else you're asking though. Are there more bashers on the YJ thread? Quite possibly. I really have no idea what you're asking about YJ games though.

Not really important . I know the history when my daughters team has played TG but have only been told by others how each age has faired when playing TG. Was curious as to your daughters teams history when playing YJ blue in her age group. The other thing is simply there have been way more posts bashing YJ on BOC than TG so it goes both ways and some have been hostile and disgusting in regard to CR.

You really think any of the age groups are going to answer that one. Think not.

How is the Top Guns Youth Camp during the Summer in SWR?

Originally Posted by WHBlax

How is the Top Guns Youth Camp during the Summer in SWR?

Far away

The money from the Diane Whipple charity tournament has gone to players from YJ, Elevate, Turf Island, numerous HS kids without club affiliations for camps and clinics. Read the Mission statement. Ask the HS coaches who write the recommendations for their players. I have sent kids to camps via this program and asked DG who and what does this support.
This is for kids who do not have the monetary means to afford these programs. The Freeport coaches said she has donated her time by doing clinics for their team.

There are a bunch of TG v YJ match-ups at the Summer Classic tournament... the summer seasons is starting to heat-up..should be fun

^^ actually just two.. but whatever

Originally Posted by Anonymous

^^ actually just two.. but whatever

Must be teams that CR thinks can win or they wouldn't be there

Originally Posted by Anonymous

^^ actually just two.. but whatever

Must be teams that CR thinks can win or they wouldn't be there

Do you really believe CR controls the schedule at this tournament, and if you do which ages do you think she believes her top team will not win ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

^^ actually just two.. but whatever

Must be teams that CR thinks can win or they wouldn't be there

Do you really believe CR controls the schedule at this tournament, and if you do which ages do you think she believes her top team will not win ?

nobody said anything about controlling the schedule, just that she thinks the teams she sent can win - I'm sure yj 2016 is one of them, very strong team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

^^ actually just two.. but whatever

Must be teams that CR thinks can win or they wouldn't be there

Do you really believe CR controls the schedule at this tournament, and if you do which ages do you think she believes her top team will not win ?

nobody said anything about controlling the schedule, just that she thinks the teams she sent can win - I'm sure yj 2016 is one of them, very strong team

Please stop with the nonsense. Who really cares. Good luck to both teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

^^ actually just two.. but whatever

Must be teams that CR thinks can win or they wouldn't be there

Do you really believe CR controls the schedule at this tournament, and if you do which ages do you think she believes her top team will not win ?

nobody said anything about controlling the schedule, just that she thinks the teams she sent can win - I'm sure yj 2016 is one of them, very strong team

Please stop with the nonsense. Who really cares. Good luck to both teams.

The first two tournaments are Showcase and you want to be playing good competition no matter who you play for. If a girl
has not committed yet it gives College Coaches an opportunity to really seem them play. We all know many of these Girls play together in School and could wide up at them same College. So to those who want to Stir the Pot I really don't care I just enjoy watching good competition.

Curious , do the coaches not play the committed kids as much as they would normally ? Also I have heard people bash committed kids for not showing up at these showcase tournaments then I have heard others bash coaches for playing the committed kids.Do these games at showcase tournaments have as much weight as championship tournaments. I have watched YJ play TG at some showcase tournaments and can tell you without question both teams are trying to win the games .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious , do the coaches not play the committed kids as much as they would normally ? Also I have heard people bash committed kids for not showing up at these showcase tournaments then I have heard others bash coaches for playing the committed kids.Do these games at showcase tournaments have as much weight as championship tournaments. I have watched YJ play TG at some showcase tournaments and can tell you without question both teams are trying to win the games .

Committed kids should show up for showcase events if for no other reason than to make thier uncommitted teammates look good. Give em a feed, set a pick, slide to help, drag a defender out of the play.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious , do the coaches not play the committed kids as much as they would normally ? Also I have heard people bash committed kids for not showing up at these showcase tournaments then I have heard others bash coaches for playing the committed kids.Do these games at showcase tournaments have as much weight as championship tournaments. I have watched YJ play TG at some showcase tournaments and can tell you without question both teams are trying to win the games .

Its always nice for the committed kids to come to showcase tournaments bc it makes the others look good...however more then most the committed kids get played bc a coach will forget why they are actually there. YJ doesnt allow committed players to go to showcse tournaments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious , do the coaches not play the committed kids as much as they would normally ? Also I have heard people bash committed kids for not showing up at these showcase tournaments then I have heard others bash coaches for playing the committed kids.Do these games at showcase tournaments have as much weight as championship tournaments. I have watched YJ play TG at some showcase tournaments and can tell you without question both teams are trying to win the games .

Its always nice for the committed kids to come to showcase tournaments bc it makes the others look good...however more then most the committed kids get played bc a coach will forget why they are actually there. YJ doesnt allow committed players to go to showcse tournaments

Most of TG 2015 on black and purple are verbally committed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

^^ actually just two.. but whatever

Must be teams that CR thinks can win or they wouldn't be there

Do you really believe CR controls the schedule at this tournament, and if you do which ages do you think she believes her top team will not win ?

if you dont believe that showing up with 30 teams and $50,000 doesnt give cr any influence i have a bridge to sell you - wake up

Awful

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Awful

What's awful now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

^^ actually just two.. but whatever

Must be teams that CR thinks can win or they wouldn't be there

Do you really believe CR controls the schedule at this tournament, and if you do which ages do you think she believes her top team will not win ?

if you dont believe that showing up with 30 teams and $50,000 doesnt give cr any influence i have a bridge to sell you - wake up

After they come out with schedule, she moves her teams to different brackets so they have an easy go to the playoffs. It happens every year. The schedule and pools come out, and 3 days later they are changed. Maybee the tournament directors shouldn't post schedule until CR looks at it. but they are to stupid. i guess.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

^^ actually just two.. but whatever

Must be teams that CR thinks can win or they wouldn't be there

Do you really believe CR controls the schedule at this tournament, and if you do which ages do you think she believes her top team will not win ?

if you dont believe that showing up with 30 teams and $50,000 doesnt give cr any influence i have a bridge to sell you - wake up

After they come out with schedule, she moves her teams to different brackets so they have an easy go to the playoffs. It happens every year. The schedule and pools come out, and 3 days later they are changed. Maybee the tournament directors shouldn't post schedule until CR looks at it. but they are to stupid. i guess.

Instead of posting your useless nonsense please give us some details , which tournament and which team got the easy go.You CR conspiracy people are pathetic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

^^ actually just two.. but whatever

Must be teams that CR thinks can win or they wouldn't be there

Do you really believe CR controls the schedule at this tournament, and if you do which ages do you think she believes her top team will not win ?

if you dont believe that showing up with 30 teams and $50,000 doesnt give cr any influence i have a bridge to sell you - wake up

Perfect example of your nutjob CR conspiracy lunatic. TG has more teams goin to the tournament than YJ, 30 teams I think not more like 9-10.Again give us some example of which one of her top teams you believe she purposely manipulates the schedule for.

After they come out with schedule, she moves her teams to different brackets so they have an easy go to the playoffs. It happens every year. The schedule and pools come out, and 3 days later they are changed. Maybee the tournament directors shouldn't post schedule until CR looks at it. but they are to stupid. i guess.

Yhis is absolutely correct. happens at National Draw every year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After they come out with schedule, she moves her teams to different brackets so they have an easy go to the playoffs. It happens every year. The schedule and pools come out, and 3 days later they are changed. Maybee the tournament directors shouldn't post schedule until CR looks at it. but they are to stupid. i guess.

Yhis is absolutely correct. happens at National Draw every year.

Pretty sure it happened at the Navy tournament in the fall as well.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After they come out with schedule, she moves her teams to different brackets so they have an easy go to the playoffs. It happens every year. The schedule and pools come out, and 3 days later they are changed. Maybee the tournament directors shouldn't post schedule until CR looks at it. but they are to stupid. i guess.

Yhis is absolutely correct. happens at National Draw every year.

Pretty sure it happened at the Navy tournament in the fall as well.

Again how about some facts like which team did she have moved, I know I watched YJ play TG at the navy tournament so not sure what you are talking about,and again which team at national draw did she have moved.

I know I saw it last year, 2015 level. It was on the master schedule when it was first released, then a few days later it wasn't. I'm thinking it was Navy but could've been another summer tournament, they all start to blend.

No doubt schedules have been changed, three games at Nat draw last year were changed. Don't know if it was CR manipulating the schedule, [lacrosse] it could be SS looking to dodge games for all we know, or maybe these game are changed by coincidence due to the ever changing scheduling that all tournaments seem to do at last minute as teams jump in and out and pools and brackets change. I'm not going to sit here and say someone from either club is responsible, but no doubt games and pools were shifted that tg and yj were scheduled in. One game did stand unchanged at Nat draw, 2020- black vs. blue.

So why do you all assume its CR changing the schedule , maybe it's SS , maybe it's the tournament director not wanting the insane TG YJ parents acting like A-holes. I will tell you this I have heard things from my fellow TG parents about YJ avoiding games that I know are BS . I was involved in getting YJ 2016 to play TG 2016 and it was much harder to get BS to allow the game than anyone on YJ side.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So why do you all assume its CR changing the schedule , maybe it's SS , maybe it's the tournament director not wanting the insane TG YJ parents acting like A-holes. I will tell you this I have heard things from my fellow TG parents about YJ avoiding games that I know are BS . I was involved in getting YJ 2016 to play TG 2016 and it was much harder to get BS to allow the game than anyone on YJ side.

that is so untrue.

at national draw she takes her main competition and puts them all in same bracket or 2.. so only 1 or 2 teams can come out.. and she might throw one of her not to good YJ teams in there also. this way she has an easy in to playoffs for her select team and her competition have to beat each other up to get in.

happens every year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

at national draw she takes her main competition and puts them all in same bracket or 2.. so only 1 or 2 teams can come out.. and she might throw one of her not to good YJ teams in there also. this way she has an easy in to playoffs for her select team and her competition have to beat each other up to get in.

happens every year.

Who cares!! Worry about YJ when our girls play them . Who cares what they do in other games and brackets. The college coaches could care less who wins the games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious , do the coaches not play the committed kids as much as they would normally ? Also I have heard people bash committed kids for not showing up at these showcase tournaments then I have heard others bash coaches for playing the committed kids.Do these games at showcase tournaments have as much weight as championship tournaments. I have watched YJ play TG at some showcase tournaments and can tell you without question both teams are trying to win the games .

Its always nice for the committed kids to come to showcase tournaments bc it makes the others look good...however more then most the committed kids get played bc a coach will forget why they are actually there. YJ doesnt allow committed players to go to showcse tournaments

Most of TG 2015 on black and purple are verbally committed

Website lists about 30/45. Not impressive. Purple is just a low level team. Not sure why anyone would play TG purple.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

at national draw she takes her main competition and puts them all in same bracket or 2.. so only 1 or 2 teams can come out.. and she might throw one of her not to good YJ teams in there also. this way she has an easy in to playoffs for her select team and her competition have to beat each other up to get in.

happens every year.

Please name the age group this happened in last year, I still have the print out of the schedule so let's see if you crazy nut job CR conspiracy people have any idea what you are talking about , you can eliminate the 2019, 2020 age groups as they were in the same pool and played the same exact teams as each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So why do you all assume its CR changing the schedule , maybe it's SS , maybe it's the tournament director not wanting the insane TG YJ parents acting like A-holes. I will tell you this I have heard things from my fellow TG parents about YJ avoiding games that I know are BS . I was involved in getting YJ 2016 to play TG 2016 and it was much harder to get BS to allow the game than anyone on YJ side.

that is so untrue.

What is untrue about it ,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious , do the coaches not play the committed kids as much as they would normally ? Also I have heard people bash committed kids for not showing up at these showcase tournaments then I have heard others bash coaches for playing the committed kids.Do these games at showcase tournaments have as much weight as championship tournaments. I have watched YJ play TG at some showcase tournaments and can tell you without question both teams are trying to win the games .

Its always nice for the committed kids to come to showcase tournaments bc it makes the others look good...however more then most the committed kids get played bc a coach will forget why they are actually there. YJ doesnt allow committed players to go to showcse tournaments

Most of TG 2015 on black and purple are verbally committed

Website lists about 30/45. Not impressive. Purple is just a low level team. Not sure why anyone would play TG purple.

30/45 is most of both teams, as the previous poster said. You sound like someone who got cut from black, and went to YJ's 4th team. Now you're on here, putting down purple. If you really don't understand why girls would play on TG purple, you're completely clueless. Just an overall dumb post you made...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious , do the coaches not play the committed kids as much as they would normally ? Also I have heard people bash committed kids for not showing up at these showcase tournaments then I have heard others bash coaches for playing the committed kids.Do these games at showcase tournaments have as much weight as championship tournaments. I have watched YJ play TG at some showcase tournaments and can tell you without question both teams are trying to win the games .

Its always nice for the committed kids to come to showcase tournaments bc it makes the others look good...however more then most the committed kids get played bc a coach will forget why they are actually there. YJ doesnt allow committed players to go to showcse tournaments

Most of TG 2015 on black and purple are verbally committed

Website lists about 30/45. Not impressive. Purple is just a low level team. Not sure why anyone would play TG purple.

That 30/45 scholarships that your YJ girls didn't get

Originally Posted by Anonymous

at national draw she takes her main competition and puts them all in same bracket or 2.. so only 1 or 2 teams can come out.. and she might throw one of her not to good YJ teams in there also. this way she has an easy in to playoffs for her select team and her competition have to beat each other up to get in.

happens every year.

Please name the age group this happened in last year, I still have the print out of the schedule so let's see if you crazy nut job CR conspiracy people have any idea what you are talking about , you can eliminate the 2019, 2020 age groups as they were in the same pool and played the same exact teams as each other.

You would have to have the original schedules, not just the ones in effect on game day.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

at national draw she takes her main competition and puts them all in same bracket or 2.. so only 1 or 2 teams can come out.. and she might throw one of her not to good YJ teams in there also. this way she has an easy in to playoffs for her select team and her competition have to beat each other up to get in.

happens every year.

Please name the age group this happened in last year, I still have the print out of the schedule so let's see if you crazy nut job CR conspiracy people have any idea what you are talking about , you can eliminate the 2019, 2020 age groups as they were in the same pool and played the same exact teams as each other.

You would have to have the original schedules, not just the ones in effect on game day.

Actually I would not reread the post I was responding to, says nothing about changing schedules but really says that CR makes up the schedules for the entire tournament controlling who other clubs play and she sets it up to knock off the competition which seems ridiculous to me. Then again all the conspiracy stuff is silly , I can give you examples when scheduling seemed clearly biased against YJ teams when its probably just the way it worked out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious , do the coaches not play the committed kids as much as they would normally ? Also I have heard people bash committed kids for not showing up at these showcase tournaments then I have heard others bash coaches for playing the committed kids.Do these games at showcase tournaments have as much weight as championship tournaments. I have watched YJ play TG at some showcase tournaments and can tell you without question both teams are trying to win the games .

Its always nice for the committed kids to come to showcase tournaments bc it makes the others look good...however more then most the committed kids get played bc a coach will forget why they are actually there. YJ doesnt allow committed players to go to showcse tournaments

Most of TG 2015 on black and purple are verbally committed

Website lists about 30/45. Not impressive. Purple is just a low level team. Not sure why anyone would play TG purple.

That 30/45 scholarships that your YJ girls didn't get

Every verbal doesn't come with money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

at national draw she takes her main competition and puts them all in same bracket or 2.. so only 1 or 2 teams can come out.. and she might throw one of her not to good YJ teams in there also. this way she has an easy in to playoffs for her select team and her competition have to beat each other up to get in.

happens every year.

Please name the age group this happened in last year, I still have the print out of the schedule so let's see if you crazy nut job CR conspiracy people have any idea what you are talking about , you can eliminate the 2019, 2020 age groups as they were in the same pool and played the same exact teams as each other.

In my daughters year, CR ensured that TG and M and D Black were in the in the same part of the draw so that those two would play each other in the semi's while she had an easy path with her 2018 team to the finals

take a look and you are sadly mistaken if you don't think this is the case If I was a tourney director and she was bringing 20 plus teams, I would be accomodating!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

at national draw she takes her main competition and puts them all in same bracket or 2.. so only 1 or 2 teams can come out.. and she might throw one of her not to good YJ teams in there also. this way she has an easy in to playoffs for her select team and her competition have to beat each other up to get in.

happens every year.

Please name the age group this happened in last year, I still have the print out of the schedule so let's see if you crazy nut job CR conspiracy people have any idea what you are talking about , you can eliminate the 2019, 2020 age groups as they were in the same pool and played the same exact teams as each other.

In my daughters year, CR ensured that TG and M and D Black were in the in the same part of the draw so that those two would play each other in the semi's while she had an easy path with her 2018 team to the finals

take a look and you are sadly mistaken if you don't think this is the case If I was a tourney director and she was bringing 20 plus teams, I would be accomodating!

You really are pathetic , if that is the case then why did she have her team placed in same pool as TG the year before, or have her 2019 and 2020 teams placed in same pool as TG and MD last year. Two years ago all the best teams TG 2016 , MD 2016, YJ 2016, YJ 2017, suffolk allstars2016, were all on the same side of the bracket leaving 2017MD an easy path to finals , was this CR also, get a clue.If you really believe CR controls the schedules and is out to screw TG than SS is complete fool for going back every year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

at national draw she takes her main competition and puts them all in same bracket or 2.. so only 1 or 2 teams can come out.. and she might throw one of her not to good YJ teams in there also. this way she has an easy in to playoffs for her select team and her competition have to beat each other up to get in.

happens every year.

Please name the age group this happened in last year, I still have the print out of the schedule so let's see if you crazy nut job CR conspiracy people have any idea what you are talking about , you can eliminate the 2019, 2020 age groups as they were in the same pool and played the same exact teams as each other.

In my daughters year, CR ensured that TG and M and D Black were in the in the same part of the draw so that those two would play each other in the semi's while she had an easy path with her 2018 team to the finals

take a look and you are sadly mistaken if you don't think this is the case If I was a tourney director and she was bringing 20 plus teams, I would be accomodating!

You really are pathetic , if that is the case then why did she have her team placed in same pool as TG the year before, or have her 2019 and 2020 teams placed in same pool as TG and MD last year. Two years ago all the best teams TG 2016 , MD 2016, YJ 2016, YJ 2017, suffolk allstars2016, were all on the same side of the bracket leaving 2017MD an easy path to finals , was this CR also, get a clue.If you really believe CR controls the schedules and is out to screw TG than SS is complete fool for going back every year.

Nobody cares please go away both of you this is such a non issue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

at national draw she takes her main competition and puts them all in same bracket or 2.. so only 1 or 2 teams can come out.. and she might throw one of her not to good YJ teams in there also. this way she has an easy in to playoffs for her select team and her competition have to beat each other up to get in.

happens every year.

Please name the age group this happened in last year, I still have the print out of the schedule so let's see if you crazy nut job CR conspiracy people have any idea what you are talking about , you can eliminate the 2019, 2020 age groups as they were in the same pool and played the same exact teams as each other.

In my daughters year, CR ensured that TG and M and D Black were in the in the same part of the draw so that those two would play each other in the semi's while she had an easy path with her 2018 team to the finals

take a look and you are sadly mistaken if you don't think this is the case If I was a tourney director and she was bringing 20 plus teams, I would be accomodating!

That's unfortunate. It's my understanding that no TG team has never beaten an M&D Black team at any grad year.

TG has only been around for five years. In that time frame they have accomplished more than any other start up club on Long Island has been able to. It appears that they have you so concerned that you monitor every age group's wins and losses. To me it sounds like you need to justify your decision to play YJ. I wish you and your daughter nothing but success in life. Please be happy with your decision that you made and stop comparing tg&yj . It will free up plenty of time for you to worry about more important stuff.

Top Guns 2017 Plays YJ 2017 this weekend. Should be a good game!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

at national draw she takes her main competition and puts them all in same bracket or 2.. so only 1 or 2 teams can come out.. and she might throw one of her not to good YJ teams in there also. this way she has an easy in to playoffs for her select team and her competition have to beat each other up to get in.

happens every year.

Please name the age group this happened in last year, I still have the print out of the schedule so let's see if you crazy nut job CR conspiracy people have any idea what you are talking about , you can eliminate the 2019, 2020 age groups as they were in the same pool and played the same exact teams as each other.

In my daughters year, CR ensured that TG and M and D Black were in the in the same part of the draw so that those two would play each other in the semi's while she had an easy path with her 2018 team to the finals

take a look and you are sadly mistaken if you don't think this is the case If I was a tourney director and she was bringing 20 plus teams, I would be accomodating!

That's unfortunate. It's my understanding that no TG team has never beaten an M&D Black team at any grad year.

Its a multi million dollar business and if she doesn't win consistently people will go elsewhere. She definitely flexes to manipulate divisions but she CAN!

Again give us an actual example where this happened, have seen it first hand YJ parent requested of BS to play TG black not purple last year w the blessing of tournament director and CR . Getting BS to allow was next to impossible .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Again give us an actual example where this happened, have seen it first hand YJ parent requested of BS to play TG black not purple last year w the blessing of tournament director and CR . Getting BS to allow was next to impossible .

They did, Nat draw three games last year. Who the [lacrosse] cares, let it go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Again give us an actual example where this happened, have seen it first hand YJ parent requested of BS to play TG black not purple last year w the blessing of tournament director and CR . Getting BS to allow was next to impossible .

They did, Nat draw three games last year. Who the [lacrosse] cares, let it go.

National Draw is where she has had the most control. A lot of it has to do with her personal relationship with Cathy Samaras who runs National Draw. It has happened for many years. CR and CS are "two peas in a pod" with each other. So blatant!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Again give us an actual example where this happened, have seen it first hand YJ parent requested of BS to play TG black not purple last year w the blessing of tournament director and CR . Getting BS to allow was next to impossible .

They did, Nat draw three games last year. Who the [lacrosse] cares, let it go.

This is why you TG parents are such douchebags and kids on the younger teams are fleeing in drives. What three games are you babbling about and when you say who cares and take the time to post about it you obviously are being a self righteous moron.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Again give us an actual example where this happened, have seen it first hand YJ parent requested of BS to play TG black not purple last year w the blessing of tournament director and CR . Getting BS to allow was next to impossible .

They did, Nat draw three games last year. Who the [lacrosse] cares, let it go.

National Draw is where she has had the most control. A lot of it has to do with her personal relationship with Cathy Samaras who runs National Draw. It has happened for many years. CR and CS are "two peas in a pod" with each other. So blatant!!

Again how about an actual example, last year younger teams YJ and TG played same schedule , which age group ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG has only been around for five years. In that time frame they have accomplished more than any other start up club on Long Island has been able to. It appears that they have you so concerned that you monitor every age group's wins and losses. To me it sounds like you need to justify your decision to play YJ. I wish you and your daughter nothing but success in life. Please be happy with your decision that you made and stop comparing tg&yj . It will free up plenty of time for you to worry about more important stuff.

Great post! All these comparisons, and bashing, are crazy, and a complete waste of time. Some people really have way too much free time on their hands.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Again give us an actual example where this happened, have seen it first hand YJ parent requested of BS to play TG black not purple last year w the blessing of tournament director and CR . Getting BS to allow was next to impossible .

They did, Nat draw three games last year. Who the [lacrosse] cares, let it go.

This is why you TG parents are such douchebags and kids on the younger teams are fleeing in drives. What three games are you babbling about and when you say who cares and take the time to post about it you obviously are being a self righteous moron.

You're a [lacrosse]. Get a life, loser! So glad you're not with Top Guns!

While I agree all these YJ, TG comparisons are a waste of time saying CR controls the schedules at all these tournaments so her top teams do not play the best competition is ignorant. I know when they get to recruiting age the college coaches want to see the best play the best and that is what usually happens. Not sure of the exact number but I believe YJ and TG 2016 played around 3-4 times last summer which compared to zero times the year before is not bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While I agree all these YJ, TG comparisons are a waste of time saying CR controls the schedules at all these tournaments so her top teams do not play the best competition is ignorant. I know when they get to recruiting age the college coaches want to see the best play the best and that is what usually happens. Not sure of the exact number but I believe YJ and TG 2016 played around 3-4 times last summer which compared to zero times the year before is not bad.

I agree, and I'm a TG parent. Glad you agree about the comparisons and bashing. Time to move on to something else - hopefully something positive, but I know that's asking for a lot here!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While I agree all these YJ, TG comparisons are a waste of time saying CR controls the schedules at all these tournaments so her top teams do not play the best competition is ignorant. I know when they get to recruiting age the college coaches want to see the best play the best and that is what usually happens. Not sure of the exact number but I believe YJ and TG 2016 played around 3-4 times last summer which compared to zero times the year before is not bad.

And the coaches could care less who wins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While I agree all these YJ, TG comparisons are a waste of time saying CR controls the schedules at all these tournaments so her top teams do not play the best competition is ignorant. I know when they get to recruiting age the college coaches want to see the best play the best and that is what usually happens. Not sure of the exact number but I believe YJ and TG 2016 played around 3-4 times last summer which compared to zero times the year before is not bad.

Would like to have the Girls Play MD, YJ, Heroes, Sky Walker Captial Blue, etc(and I know there are others) all the time no matter what type of Tournament format. Best way to get the Girls noticed. (TG 2016 Parent)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While I agree all these YJ, TG comparisons are a waste of time saying CR controls the schedules at all these tournaments so her top teams do not play the best competition is ignorant. I know when they get to recruiting age the college coaches want to see the best play the best and that is what usually happens. Not sure of the exact number but I believe YJ and TG 2016 played around 3-4 times last summer which compared to zero times the year before is not bad.

And the coaches could care less who wins.

That's a great point. All this hype, and nonsense about who beat who, and it really doesn't mean a thing to the college coaches anyway. Even most of the girls don't remember - just the crazy parents!

who cares lets play lacrosse, let the girls have fun. summer is starting its been a real long cold winter. lets have some boat drinks and watch our girls play and try to enjoy each others company. Maybe we can even sit and stand next to each other with out comparing each kid to each other and talk about something other than lacrosse. We should start practicing this because it all will end eventually and won't have anything to say, except to compare prescriptions we are taking and who takes more.
hope everyone has a great season and has some fun we spend way to much money to be unhappy.
good luck to all

happy go lucky
nc of tg21bl

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While I agree all these YJ, TG comparisons are a waste of time saying CR controls the schedules at all these tournaments so her top teams do not play the best competition is ignorant. I know when they get to recruiting age the college coaches want to see the best play the best and that is what usually happens. Not sure of the exact number but I believe YJ and TG 2016 played around 3-4 times last summer which compared to zero times the year before is not bad.

And the coaches could care less who wins.

While they are looking at individual players I thought it funny that many college coaches did take note and knew which teams beat who.

quote=Anonymous]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While I agree all these YJ, TG comparisons are a waste of time saying CR controls the schedules at all these tournaments so her top teams do not play the best competition is ignorant. I know when they get to recruiting age the college coaches want to see the best play the best and that is what usually happens. Not sure of the exact number but I believe YJ and TG 2016 played around 3-4 times last summer which compared to zero times the year before is not bad.

And the coaches could care less who wins.

While they are looking at individual players I thought it funny that many college coaches did take note and knew which teams beat who.[/quote]

I just finished the recruiting process with my daughter and not once did the college coaches ever ask or comment on who won or lost any game my daughter played in. Many times they commented on my daughters heart and hustle but never a hint of wins or losses. I asked one of the coaches and they said they are more interested in how the parents act on the sidelines!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

quote=Anonymous]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While I agree all these YJ, TG comparisons are a waste of time saying CR controls the schedules at all these tournaments so her top teams do not play the best competition is ignorant. I know when they get to recruiting age the college coaches want to see the best play the best and that is what usually happens. Not sure of the exact number but I believe YJ and TG 2016 played around 3-4 times last summer which compared to zero times the year before is not bad.

And the coaches could care less who wins.

While they are looking at individual players I thought it funny that many college coaches did take note and knew which teams beat who.

I just finished the recruiting process with my daughter and not once did the college coaches ever ask or comment on who won or lost any game my daughter played in. Many times they commented on my daughters heart and hustle but never a hint of wins or losses. I asked one of the coaches and they said they are more interested in how the parents act on the sidelines! [/quote]

With that said, it is amazing that any kid from LI ever gets recruited, YJ and TG parents are both embarrassments on the sidelines. So obviously many coaches are willing to look past this parent issue, because a huge percentage of the girls are playing in college.

Great advice and spirit! Enjoy the summer!

Great showing at the 2020 black practice this week. Seemed only about half the girls were there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great showing at the 2020 black practice this week. Seemed only about half the girls were there.

The girls from this team and some of the 2021 black went to a tournament this weekend. Looks like they forgot to ask the other half of the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great showing at the 2020 black practice this week. Seemed only about half the girls were there.

The girls from this team and some of the 2021 black went to a tournament this weekend. Looks like they forgot to ask the other half of the team.

They did not forget just probably did not want to deal w a bunch of ball hogs, bring 24 kids to a tournament which is ridiculous, interact with parents that bash them on boc constantly. Maybe they just wanted to play with kids who they are friends with regardless of what club or town they are from. I would not worry about it your complaining to BS will make it impossible to ever do it again as he will now tell all of you what events you are allowed to attend even if it has nothing to do with TG.

My daughter is on 2020 black and wasn't asked to play and to be honest I could care less! It was the last practice before the 1st tournament and my daughter was practicing with her TG team, right where she should have been. So please do not assume all of us really care where the other half of the team was, we don't!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is on 2020 black and wasn't asked to play and to be honest I could care less! It was the last practice before the 1st tournament and my daughter was practicing with her TG team, right where she should have been. So please do not assume all of us really care where the other half of the team was, we don't!

When you say "right where she should have been" its obvious you care and feel the other kids also should have been there. The competition at the first tournament is a joke, so being at the "last practice" vs playing against the best teams out there is an easy choice.

Weather is supposed to be wonderful this weekend. Lets have a nice weekend and enjoy the girls playing. First year for the 2021 age.

No, I said where MY daughter should be! Where your daughter was has NO impact on me or my daughter. My point to the original post was that they should not assume that we all care where the girls were! Every parent makes the choic they feel is right for their own kid!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is on 2020 black and wasn't asked to play and to be honest I could care less! It was the last practice before the 1st tournament and my daughter was practicing with her TG team, right where she should have been. So please do not assume all of us really care where the other half of the team was, we don't!

When you say "right where she should have been" its obvious you care and feel the other kids also should have been there. The competition at the first tournament is a joke, so being at the "last practice" vs playing against the best teams out there is an easy choice.

I don't have a daughter here so call me a troll if you like, but I read this as she didn't care her daughter wasn't asked, but does care that many girls missed a practice.

It is shameful you choose to skip practice before a tournament. Regardless if you think the tournament is a weak one. Do you really know the teams your playing, how do you know they are weak? I guess some top girls on Li didn't just come out to play travel this year and scared you. Same could have happened elsewhere NJ MD PA wherever.

You all heard the saying "You play like you practice" so if you missed a practice don't be surprise if you miss the finals.

Have a safe trip you got a great day to drive. Enjoy your time in the car with your daughters. Someitmes these are great bonding times.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Again give us an actual example where this happened, have seen it first hand YJ parent requested of BS to play TG black not purple last year w the blessing of tournament director and CR . Getting BS to allow was next to impossible .

They did, Nat draw three games last year. Who the [lacrosse] cares, let it go.

National Draw is where she has had the most control. A lot of it has to do with her personal relationship with Cathy Samaras who runs National Draw. It has happened for many years. CR and CS are "two peas in a pod" with each other. So blatant!!

Look at schedules just goes to show you that you people are all such a bunch of blowhards, what will your excuse be this year ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is on 2020 black and wasn't asked to play and to be honest I could care less! It was the last practice before the 1st tournament and my daughter was practicing with her TG team, right where she should have been. So please do not assume all of us really care where the other half of the team was, we don't!

When you say "right where she should have been" its obvious you care and feel the other kids also should have been there. The competition at the first tournament is a joke, so being at the "last practice" vs playing against the best teams out there is an easy choice.

Other tan M&D, who were the best teams out there?

National Draw schedule is up.... now watch CR do her magic.

You know it will change.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is on 2020 black and wasn't asked to play and to be honest I could care less! It was the last practice before the 1st tournament and my daughter was practicing with her TG team, right where she should have been. So please do not assume all of us really care where the other half of the team was, we don't!

When you say "right where she should have been" its obvious you care and feel the other kids also should have been there. The competition at the first tournament is a joke, so being at the "last practice" vs playing against the best teams out there is an easy choice.

Other tan M&D, who were the best teams out there?

it can be age group dependent but best teams out there in no particular order, MD, STEPS , SKYWALKER, YJ, HEROES

Originally Posted by Anonymous

National Draw schedule is up.... now watch CR do her magic.

You know it will change.

I hope someone can make changes happen. 2021s from TG and YJ and in same division but do not play each other. That means they also cannot meet in the playoffs. I think the same scenario exists for the 2020 division as well. Get your leadership to make those games happen!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great showing at the 2020 black practice this week. Seemed only about half the girls were there.

The girls from this team and some of the 2021 black went to a tournament this weekend. Looks like they forgot to ask the other half of the team.

They did not forget just probably did not want to deal w a bunch of ball hogs, bring 24 kids to a tournament which is ridiculous, interact with parents that bash them on boc constantly. Maybe they just wanted to play with kids who they are friends with regardless of what club or town they are from. I would not worry about it your complaining to BS will make it impossible to ever do it again as he will now tell all of you what events you are allowed to attend even if it has nothing to do with TG.

No dog in the fight, but it's apparent that you insulted your team, your coach and the organization. If you feel your better equipped to coach, evaluate players and pick tournaments perhaps you should play as an independent team. Why don't you stay home this weekend instead of playing in a sub par tournament with a bunch of sub par kids?

Well, it's obvious the teams we're facing in most of these tournaments, have practiced much more, and are on the same page. Probably played together, as a team, in the fall, and winter. The TG practices, fall, and winter stuff with other teams, and other coaches, and generic practice drills just don't cut it when you play the top teams, or even strong B teams...I wish our team could play together all year round, like some of the others. We have the talent, but takes half the summer to get it going as a unit.

At the tournament watching YJ bury TG black, have to say the TG purple team played right before this game and they looked much better than this team. Solid chemistry and great offense. ~Liberty Parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the tournament watching YJ bury TG black, have to say the TG purple team played right before this game and they looked much better than this team. Solid chemistry and great offense. ~Liberty Parent

Total blow out by YJ. Maybe they should stay home and not go to Colorado they don't have and 2015s they can bring!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the tournament watching YJ bury TG black, have to say the TG purple team played right before this game and they looked much better than this team. Solid chemistry and great offense. ~Liberty Parent

Purple better than black gasp!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]At the tournament watching YJ bury TG black, have to say the TG purple team played right before this game and they looked much better than this team. Solid chemistry and great offense. ~Liberty Parent

Purple better than black gasp! [/quote. I concur, ball movement and transition much better on purple, strong attack and unselfish players. This black team has individual players but no teamwork.

What age group are you referring to where purple can compete with black? Must be two very competitive teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What age group are you referring to where purple can compete with black? Must be two very competitive teams.

2017 Purple, with some work, and more practice can be very good!

topguns 2016 spanks 2016 Yellow jacket defo ( the great blue team) ..It was a real beat down 13 to 6.. goalies made hardly any saves. topguns got draws and ground balls. and scored at will...
lets start with the excuses YJ parents like injuries, were home taking S.A.T and graduation or the best one. we dont try at showcases ... that is BS cause the coach Defo was yelling and screaming coaching his a@@ off. Come On Man.....

YJ 2017 buried TG, so appears that different age groups have different talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

topguns 2016 spanks 2016 Yellow jacket defo ( the great blue team) ..It was a real beat down 13 to 6.. goalies made hardly any saves. topguns got draws and ground balls. and scored at will...
lets start with the excuses YJ parents like injuries, were home taking S.A.T and graduation or the best one. we dont try at showcases ... that is BS cause the coach Defo was yelling and screaming coaching his a@@ off. Come On Man.....

TG uniforms looked impressive too.

Md United beat down TG 10-6. So not sure what this weekend says about any one team.

[quote=Anonymous]Md United beat down TG 10-6. So not sure what this weekend says about any one team.

what age group

What team are you referring to? What does this even mean? "So not sure what this weekend says about any one team."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

National Draw schedule is up.... now watch CR do her magic.

You know it will change.

I hope someone can make changes happen. 2021s from TG and YJ and in same division but do not play each other. That means they also cannot meet in the playoffs. I think the same scenario exists for the 2020 division as well. Get your leadership to make those games happen!!!

Dont worry, it will change

Look at how many TG & YJ girls are playing on the best high school teams in Suffolk it says a lot for both programs. So stop the hating and enjoy the relationships that are forged between the girls and parents. Some of us are crazy but it keeps it entertaining and a few beers and tattoos poolside are always fun. This is my last go around and I'm going to enjoy every minute of it with everyone. You can never have enough friends in the lacrosse world. One last thing 2015 Liberty Black was one of the most competive teams we played last summer hoping to get another shot at you girls. Stay heathy have fun and enjoy because I sure will be.

This is based on one game? I'm guessing u r talking about black 2017?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is based on one game? I'm guessing u r talking about black 2017?

My daughter is on 2017 Purple and most of our team stayed to watch YJ 2017 vs TG 2017 Black very one-sided game score 15 or 16 to ZERO. YJ team looked very talented very solid team work.

YJ 2017 B team is pretty good too! Good for them. Great lacrosse on Long Island. Love, don't hate!!!

So you, a TG purple parent, are feeding into the negativity on this site and bashing TG black players?? Really?? Any team can have a poor showing at any given time. There are many factors that play into a team doing well. The 2017 black girls are all great athletes and have proven it time and time again. Most of them play multiple sports and are scholar-athletes. Let's all remember that these are YOUNG women we are talking about. All of you people need to get a life and stop bashing other people's children. This site should be taken down!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So you, a TG purple parent, are feeding into the negativity on this site and bashing TG black players?? Really?? Any team can have a poor showing at any given time. There are many factors that play into a team doing well. The 2017 black girls are all great athletes and have proven it time and time again. Most of them play multiple sports and are scholar-athletes. Let's all remember that these are YOUNG women we are talking about. All of you people need to get a life and stop bashing other people's children. This site should be taken down!!

How is that bashing?? The poster just stated the score amd complimented the better team? I don't see any bashing at all. They will meet again in Colorado, maybe black will do better? Relax and enjoy the sport!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So you, a TG purple parent, are feeding into the negativity on this site and bashing TG black players?? Really?? Any team can have a poor showing at any given time. There are many factors that play into a team doing well. The 2017 black girls are all great athletes and have proven it time and time again. Most of them play multiple sports and are scholar-athletes. Let's all remember that these are YOUNG women we are talking about. All of you people need to get a life and stop bashing other people's children. This site should be taken down!!

Remember - there's a VERY good chance that wasn't an actual 2017 purple parent! It may have been a setup, and you might have taken the bait! I hope it was false, but unfortunately the teams do not get along which is sad...

My daughter's on 2017 Black and yes we did have a poor showing this past weekend. It happens and hopefully won't happen again. The entire team was out of sync. YJ is a very talented group of athletes - no question and it just shows that we have a lot to work on. I know nothing of the black and purple team not getting along. My daughter never has anything negative to say about them, so I hope there is no animosity between the teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

topguns 2016 spanks 2016 Yellow jacket defo ( the great blue team) ..It was a real beat down 13 to 6.. goalies made hardly any saves. topguns got draws and ground balls. and scored at will...
lets start with the excuses YJ parents like injuries, were home taking S.A.T and graduation or the best one. we dont try at showcases ... that is BS cause the coach Defo was yelling and screaming coaching his a@@ off. Come On Man.....

Shannon coached this game to win also, my uncommitted kid on the back end of this TG team talent-wise didn't see much of the field, the top players saw most of the minutes, and most of the top players are already committed. I was sorry to see this as this was a chance for an uncommitted player to potentially get some notice against strong competition. I'm all for equal playing time but maybe start a game or a half with the second lines once or twice in a weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter's on 2017 Black and yes we did have a poor showing this past weekend. It happens and hopefully won't happen again. The entire team was out of sync. YJ is a very talented group of athletes - no question and it just shows that we have a lot to work on. I know nothing of the black and purple team not getting along. My daughter never has anything negative to say about them, so I hope there is no animosity between the teams.

I agree, girls on both teams see no color and cheer on each others games. They are equal talent wise, each with their strength and weaker players and I'm sure the brass would agree. The JY '17 team is a well oiled machine full of talented athletes who have played together year round for qute some time. Let's give credit where it's due.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Md United beat down TG 10-6. So not sure what this weekend says about any one team.

Yes they did... The middie who takes the draws for MD united is tall, fast and very skilled..might be the best in this age group

That top guns camp
In shoreham is awful

Can anyone fill me in a little on the TG 2018 Purple team? We play them in a couple of weeks at National Draw. Our team is talented but mostly 2019's playing up a year. I imagine they will have their hands full but it will be a great challenge for our girls. Thanks and safe travels to everyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That top guns camp
In shoreham is awful

Yoyo. TG is not in Shoreham.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That top guns camp
In shoreham is awful

Yoyo. TG is not in Shoreham.

TG did have a camp in Shoreham either last year or the year before as well as their camp in WB

And the top guns camp at SWR high school for this year is listed on the top guns website so yoyo was correct

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That top guns camp
In shoreham is awful

Yoyo. TG is not in Shoreham.

Some of you people are dumb as mud. Shannon used to run a camp out there to get the east end kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That top guns camp
In shoreham is awful

Yoyo. TG is not in Shoreham.

You must be new or something, topguns have been running a camp in SWR for years.

Besides the money issues, why not have a true Battle of Long Island girls lacrosse at the end of the tournament season keep the girls in the blue, black, purple , white whatever the colors division invite all LI clubs to participate at different venues and lets see who has the best weekend or just start a 4 week Long Island Club league. Yes I know the Money. Just a thought.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Besides the money issues, why not have a true Battle of Long Island girls lacrosse at the end of the tournament season keep the girls in the blue, black, purple , white whatever the colors division invite all LI clubs to participate at different venues and lets see who has the best weekend or just start a 4 week Long Island Club league. Yes I know the Money. Just a thought.

I wonder what the under/over on parent altercations and player injuries would be each week? Most of these people can barely make it through one tournament together, can you imagine the dynamic on a weekly basis?

Yoyo, top guns do run
a camp in shoreham. It's their top guns east camp
At the middle school yoyo. Maybe you should go and continue to learn nothing. Yoyo

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yoyo, top guns do run
a camp in shoreham. It's their top guns east camp
At the middle school yoyo. Maybe you should go and continue to learn nothing. Yoyo

Your obvious a moron. Never ever been at middle school. And it's not top guns. Hasn't been for awhile. Educate yourself or stop stirring [lacrosse]...

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Got an axe to grind with the National Draw pool play. Every year they do this and it really starting to [lacrosse] me off. Each pool is very talent orientated. For example, an age group consists of 7 pools of teams with 5 teams in each pool. The bottom pool on the website is the best and contains all the best teams. Many of these pools contain the top 5 teams at the tournament, TG blk, YJ blue, SW blue, M&D blk, etc..... So what happens is only one of the five best teams in the tournament advance out of the pool play. You have very weak teams advancing out of weak pools into the playoffs. They should place the top teams atop each pool so the better teams can play in elimination games. Funny part of it is when the lower teams run their pool and make a playoff appearance, some parents think these teams are stronger than the top pool teams that may not make out of their top 5 team pool. And anyone crying CR schedule conspiracy, take a look at the schedules, they are in the same boat trying to advance out of a killer pool of top teams. No conspiracy there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Got an axe to grind with the National Draw pool play. Every year they do this and it really starting to [lacrosse] me off. Each pool is very talent orientated. For example, an age group consists of 7 pools of teams with 5 teams in each pool. The bottom pool on the website is the best and contains all the best teams. Many of these pools contain the top 5 teams at the tournament, TG blk, YJ blue, SW blue, M&D blk, etc..... So what happens is only one of the five best teams in the tournament advance out of the pool play. You have very weak teams advancing out of weak pools into the playoffs. They should place the top teams atop each pool so the better teams can play in elimination games. Funny part of it is when the lower teams run their pool and make a playoff appearance, some parents think these teams are stronger than the top pool teams that may not make out of their top 5 team pool. And anyone crying CR schedule conspiracy, take a look at the schedules, they are in the same boat trying to advance out of a killer pool of top teams. No conspiracy there.

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However, CR has 3-4 more teams in other pools that are almost certain to have a team in the playoff

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Got an axe to grind with the National Draw pool play. Every year they do this and it really starting to [lacrosse] me off. Each pool is very talent orientated. For example, an age group consists of 7 pools of teams with 5 teams in each pool. The bottom pool on the website is the best and contains all the best teams. Many of these pools contain the top 5 teams at the tournament, TG blk, YJ blue, SW blue, M&D blk, etc..... So what happens is only one of the five best teams in the tournament advance out of the pool play. You have very weak teams advancing out of weak pools into the playoffs. They should place the top teams atop each pool so the better teams can play in elimination games. Funny part of it is when the lower teams run their pool and make a playoff appearance, some parents think these teams are stronger than the top pool teams that may not make out of their top 5 team pool. And anyone crying CR schedule conspiracy, take a look at the schedules, they are in the same boat trying to advance out of a killer pool of top teams. No conspiracy there.

Not true in the 2018 bracket ... M&D Black and TG Black fight it out but YJ nowhere to be found in that pool
And what is funny is that you care what "some parents think". What does that matter to you? Living through your kid much?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Got an axe to grind with the National Draw pool play. Every year they do this and it really starting to [lacrosse] me off. Each pool is very talent orientated. For example, an age group consists of 7 pools of teams with 5 teams in each pool. The bottom pool on the website is the best and contains all the best teams. Many of these pools contain the top 5 teams at the tournament, TG blk, YJ blue, SW blue, M&D blk, etc..... So what happens is only one of the five best teams in the tournament advance out of the pool play. You have very weak teams advancing out of weak pools into the playoffs. They should place the top teams atop each pool so the better teams can play in elimination games. Funny part of it is when the lower teams run their pool and make a playoff appearance, some parents think these teams are stronger than the top pool teams that may not make out of their top 5 team pool. And anyone crying CR schedule conspiracy, take a look at the schedules, they are in the same boat trying to advance out of a killer pool of top teams. No conspiracy there.

Not true in the 2018 bracket ... M&D Black and TG Black fight it out but YJ nowhere to be found in that pool
And what is funny is that you care what "some parents think". What does that matter to you? Living through your kid much?

YJ 18 top team not playing there this week

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Got an axe to grind with the National Draw pool play. Every year they do this and it really starting to [lacrosse] me off. Each pool is very talent orientated. For example, an age group consists of 7 pools of teams with 5 teams in each pool. The bottom pool on the website is the best and contains all the best teams. Many of these pools contain the top 5 teams at the tournament, TG blk, YJ blue, SW blue, M&D blk, etc..... So what happens is only one of the five best teams in the tournament advance out of the pool play. You have very weak teams advancing out of weak pools into the playoffs. They should place the top teams atop each pool so the better teams can play in elimination games. Funny part of it is when the lower teams run their pool and make a playoff appearance, some parents think these teams are stronger than the top pool teams that may not make out of their top 5 team pool. And anyone crying CR schedule conspiracy, take a look at the schedules, they are in the same boat trying to advance out of a killer pool of top teams. No conspiracy there.

Not true in the 2018 bracket ... M&D Black and TG Black fight it out but YJ nowhere to be found in that pool
And what is funny is that you care what "some parents think". What does that matter to you? Living through your kid much?

The tournament organizers don't seem to know the difference between a show case and a championship format event - can you imagine the ncaa basketball tournament having four number one seeds in the same bracket?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Got an axe to grind with the National Draw pool play. Every year they do this and it really starting to [lacrosse] me off. Each pool is very talent orientated. For example, an age group consists of 7 pools of teams with 5 teams in each pool. The bottom pool on the website is the best and contains all the best teams. Many of these pools contain the top 5 teams at the tournament, TG blk, YJ blue, SW blue, M&D blk, etc..... So what happens is only one of the five best teams in the tournament advance out of the pool play. You have very weak teams advancing out of weak pools into the playoffs. They should place the top teams atop each pool so the better teams can play in elimination games. Funny part of it is when the lower teams run their pool and make a playoff appearance, some parents think these teams are stronger than the top pool teams that may not make out of their top 5 team pool. And anyone crying CR schedule conspiracy, take a look at the schedules, they are in the same boat trying to advance out of a killer pool of top teams. No conspiracy there.

WOuld rather see my kid play 4 tough pool games than 4 laughers. Win the pool, win the tourney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Got an axe to grind with the National Draw pool play. Every year they do this and it really starting to [lacrosse] me off. Each pool is very talent orientated. For example, an age group consists of 7 pools of teams with 5 teams in each pool. The bottom pool on the website is the best and contains all the best teams. Many of these pools contain the top 5 teams at the tournament, TG blk, YJ blue, SW blue, M&D blk, etc..... So what happens is only one of the five best teams in the tournament advance out of the pool play. You have very weak teams advancing out of weak pools into the playoffs. They should place the top teams atop each pool so the better teams can play in elimination games. Funny part of it is when the lower teams run their pool and make a playoff appearance, some parents think these teams are stronger than the top pool teams that may not make out of their top 5 team pool. And anyone crying CR schedule conspiracy, take a look at the schedules, they are in the same boat trying to advance out of a killer pool of top teams. No conspiracy there.

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However, CR has 3-4 more teams in other pools that are almost certain to have a team in the playoff

Too funny no matter how it shakes out you crazies think CR had something to do w it. She must really love the 2019 TG black team , they play in the lower team pool and virtually walk into the finals

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Got an axe to grind with the National Draw pool play. Every year they do this and it really starting to [lacrosse] me off. Each pool is very talent orientated. For example, an age group consists of 7 pools of teams with 5 teams in each pool. The bottom pool on the website is the best and contains all the best teams. Many of these pools contain the top 5 teams at the tournament, TG blk, YJ blue, SW blue, M&D blk, etc..... So what happens is only one of the five best teams in the tournament advance out of the pool play. You have very weak teams advancing out of weak pools into the playoffs. They should place the top teams atop each pool so the better teams can play in elimination games. Funny part of it is when the lower teams run their pool and make a playoff appearance, some parents think these teams are stronger than the top pool teams that may not make out of their top 5 team pool. And anyone crying CR schedule conspiracy, take a look at the schedules, they are in the same boat trying to advance out of a killer pool of top teams. No conspiracy there.

Not true in the 2018 bracket ... M&D Black and TG Black fight it out but YJ nowhere to be found in that pool
And what is funny is that you care what "some parents think". What does that matter to you? Living through your kid much?

The tournament organizers don't seem to know the difference between a show case and a championship format event - can you imagine the ncaa basketball tournament having four number one seeds in the same bracket?

Perhaps Larry Miller can reach out to synapse sports and find out how the seeding process works

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Got an axe to grind with the National Draw pool play. Every year they do this and it really starting to [lacrosse] me off. Each pool is very talent orientated. For example, an age group consists of 7 pools of teams with 5 teams in each pool. The bottom pool on the website is the best and contains all the best teams. Many of these pools contain the top 5 teams at the tournament, TG blk, YJ blue, SW blue, M&D blk, etc..... So what happens is only one of the five best teams in the tournament advance out of the pool play. You have very weak teams advancing out of weak pools into the playoffs. They should place the top teams atop each pool so the better teams can play in elimination games. Funny part of it is when the lower teams run their pool and make a playoff appearance, some parents think these teams are stronger than the top pool teams that may not make out of their top 5 team pool. And anyone crying CR schedule conspiracy, take a look at the schedules, they are in the same boat trying to advance out of a killer pool of top teams. No conspiracy there.

WOuld rather see my kid play 4 tough pool games than 4 laughers. Win the pool, win the tourney.

A few tournys divide teams by talent level into two groups for each age group, each playing for a championship of their division. At least that takes out some of the unbearable to watch games, then with proper seeding the tournaments are great in the upper divisions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Got an axe to grind with the National Draw pool play. Every year they do this and it really starting to [lacrosse] me off. Each pool is very talent orientated. For example, an age group consists of 7 pools of teams with 5 teams in each pool. The bottom pool on the website is the best and contains all the best teams. Many of these pools contain the top 5 teams at the tournament, TG blk, YJ blue, SW blue, M&D blk, etc..... So what happens is only one of the five best teams in the tournament advance out of the pool play. You have very weak teams advancing out of weak pools into the playoffs. They should place the top teams atop each pool so the better teams can play in elimination games. Funny part of it is when the lower teams run their pool and make a playoff appearance, some parents think these teams are stronger than the top pool teams that may not make out of their top 5 team pool.

And anyone crying CR schedule conspiracy, take a look at the schedules, they are in the same boat trying to advance out of a killer pool of top teams. No conspiracy there.

Wrong. Pools are set up for YJ... Yj, topguns, skywalkers, and 3 weak teams in same pool... topguns play skywalkers. Yj play nobody go 4 - 0 .... topguns or skywalkers go 4 - 0. the other is out. tie breaker is goals against. topguns and skywalkers have to play each other so they should both score some goals.... Yj goals against will be lower because they play nobody. Yj advance to playoffs because they gave up less goals then topguns or skywalkers.....

I would rather the best teams play each other in a regulation game instead of a 20 minute playoff game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Got an axe to grind with the National Draw pool play. Every year they do this and it really starting to [lacrosse] me off. Each pool is very talent orientated. For example, an age group consists of 7 pools of teams with 5 teams in each pool. The bottom pool on the website is the best and contains all the best teams. Many of these pools contain the top 5 teams at the tournament, TG blk, YJ blue, SW blue, M&D blk, etc..... So what happens is only one of the five best teams in the tournament advance out of the pool play. You have very weak teams advancing out of weak pools into the playoffs. They should place the top teams atop each pool so the better teams can play in elimination games. Funny part of it is when the lower teams run their pool and make a playoff appearance, some parents think these teams are stronger than the top pool teams that may not make out of their top 5 team pool.

And anyone crying CR schedule conspiracy, take a look at the schedules, they are in the same boat trying to advance out of a killer pool of top teams. No conspiracy there.

Wrong. Pools are set up for YJ... Yj, topguns, skywalkers, and 3 weak teams in same pool... topguns play skywalkers. Yj play nobody go 4 - 0 .... topguns or skywalkers go 4 - 0. the other is out. tie breaker is goals against. topguns and skywalkers have to play each other so they should both score some goals.... Yj goals against will be lower because they play nobody. Yj advance to playoffs because they gave up less goals then topguns or skywalkers.....

Actually M&D black always seems to have the toughest pool schedules, I believe very much on purpose because they are looking for the competition. They usually have two or three brutal games in pool play which sometimes trips them up getting out of the pool. I don't think they get caught up in the tournament win at all, not like the LI clubs. And credit to them, if you look at them from top to bottom, they are the best program in the nation, not even close. And NO I'm not a MD parent, just a LI parent keeping it real.

So wait, you think it would be better to have the 5 best teams in the tournament play weaker teams and blow them out just so they can reach the playoffs and win/lose against a team of their caliber? That's just a cowardly approach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Got an axe to grind with the National Draw pool play. Every year they do this and it really starting to [lacrosse] me off. Each pool is very talent orientated. For example, an age group consists of 7 pools of teams with 5 teams in each pool. The bottom pool on the website is the best and contains all the best teams. Many of these pools contain the top 5 teams at the tournament, TG blk, YJ blue, SW blue, M&D blk, etc..... So what happens is only one of the five best teams in the tournament advance out of the pool play. You have very weak teams advancing out of weak pools into the playoffs. They should place the top teams atop each pool so the better teams can play in elimination games. Funny part of it is when the lower teams run their pool and make a playoff appearance, some parents think these teams are stronger than the top pool teams that may not make out of their top 5 team pool.

And anyone crying CR schedule conspiracy, take a look at the schedules, they are in the same boat trying to advance out of a killer pool of top teams. No conspiracy there.

Wrong. Pools are set up for YJ... Yj, topguns, skywalkers, and 3 weak teams in same pool... topguns play skywalkers. Yj play nobody go 4 - 0 .... topguns or skywalkers go 4 - 0. the other is out. tie breaker is goals against. topguns and skywalkers have to play each other so they should both score some goals.... Yj goals against will be lower because they play nobody. Yj advance to playoffs because they gave up less goals then topguns or skywalkers.....

You have some serious mental issues. Typical Tg parent who cannot see the truth even when its staring them in the face. Which age group is this happening in ? Go take a look at 2019 and let me know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Got an axe to grind with the National Draw pool play. Every year they do this and it really starting to [lacrosse] me off. Each pool is very talent orientated. For example, an age group consists of 7 pools of teams with 5 teams in each pool. The bottom pool on the website is the best and contains all the best teams. Many of these pools contain the top 5 teams at the tournament, TG blk, YJ blue, SW blue, M&D blk, etc..... So what happens is only one of the five best teams in the tournament advance out of the pool play. You have very weak teams advancing out of weak pools into the playoffs. They should place the top teams atop each pool so the better teams can play in elimination games. Funny part of it is when the lower teams run their pool and make a playoff appearance, some parents think these teams are stronger than the top pool teams that may not make out of their top 5 team pool.

And anyone crying CR schedule conspiracy, take a look at the schedules, they are in the same boat trying to advance out of a killer pool of top teams. No conspiracy there.

Wrong. Pools are set up for YJ... Yj, topguns, skywalkers, and 3 weak teams in same pool... topguns play skywalkers. Yj play nobody go 4 - 0 .... topguns or skywalkers go 4 - 0. the other is out. tie breaker is goals against. topguns and skywalkers have to play each other so they should both score some goals.... Yj goals against will be lower because they play nobody. Yj advance to playoffs because they gave up less goals then topguns or skywalkers.....

You have some serious mental issues. Typical Tg parent who cannot see the truth even when its staring them in the face. Which age group is this happening in ? Go take a look at 2019 and let me know.

Typical YJ response. The posters comments on the scheduling is factual. Why the name calling. Address the truth. It's set up that way to give an advantage. That's the truth. It's also disrespectful to the game and the tournament and you and me. Defend it if you are a cheater and feel you need schedule fixing to win. Open your eyes please.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would rather the best teams play each other in a regulation game instead of a 20 minute playoff game.

That is the philosophy of the tournament directors as well. These good teams travel down to play the best in full games. They realize that winning the tournament is not as important as ensuring the top three or four teams in the country get to play full games against each other. Not one team playing a 1/2 game, full games really show you who the best team is that day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would rather the best teams play each other in a regulation game instead of a 20 minute playoff game.

That is the philosophy of the tournament directors as well. These good teams travel down to play the best in full games. They realize that winning the tournament is not as important as ensuring the top three or four teams in the country get to play full games against eaoch other. Not one team playing a 1/2 game, full games really show you who the best team is that day.

I would much rather have my kid play in the toughest bracket. You gain nothing from playing in the 15-2 blowouts. Learn to win against the best and you build a team. If we can't beat the best teams in pool play what would make you believe we could beat them in a playoff game. Greater lessons will be learned by a loss to a quality team than a blowout win against a weak B team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would rather the best teams play each other in a regulation game instead of a 20 minute playoff game.

That is the philosophy of the tournament directors as well. These good teams travel down to play the best in full games. They realize that winning the tournament is not as important as ensuring the top three or four teams in the country get to play full games against eaoch other. Not one team playing a 1/2 game, full games really show you who the best team is that day.

I would much rather have my kid play in the toughest bracket. You gain nothing from playing in the 15-2 blowouts. Learn to win against the best and you build a team. If we can't beat the best teams in pool play what would make you believe we could beat them in a playoff game. Greater lessons will be learned by a loss to a quality team than a blowout win against a weak B team.

You're right 100%. The light still needs to shine on the schedule fixing and lack of integrity happening. Carol Rose can no longer get a free pass and it can't be swept under the rug. No one is larger than the game and she has embarrassed LI and this sport long enough with her antics. I hope she is laughing now because it's all about to change.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Got an axe to grind with the National Draw pool play. Every year they do this and it really starting to [lacrosse] me off. Each pool is very talent orientated. For example, an age group consists of 7 pools of teams with 5 teams in each pool. The bottom pool on the website is the best and contains all the best teams. Many of these pools contain the top 5 teams at the tournament, TG blk, YJ blue, SW blue, M&D blk, etc..... So what happens is only one of the five best teams in the tournament advance out of the pool play. You have very weak teams advancing out of weak pools into the playoffs. They should place the top teams atop each pool so the better teams can play in elimination games. Funny part of it is when the lower teams run their pool and make a playoff appearance, some parents think these teams are stronger than the top pool teams that may not make out of their top 5 team pool.

And anyone crying CR schedule conspiracy, take a look at the schedules, they are in the same boat trying to advance out of a killer pool of top teams. No conspiracy there.

Wrong. Pools are set up for YJ... Yj, topguns, skywalkers, and 3 weak teams in same pool... topguns play skywalkers. Yj play nobody go 4 - 0 .... topguns or skywalkers go 4 - 0. the other is out. tie breaker is goals against. topguns and skywalkers have to play each other so they should both score some goals.... Yj goals against will be lower because they play nobody. Yj advance to playoffs because they gave up less goals then topguns or skywalkers.....

I only looked at the schedule for the 2020 and 2021 and your rant could not be more wrong. Top YJ and Top Gun teams are in the same pool as top Skywalkers and M&D teams. They play the same exact schedule but not one another and that is the real shame of this feud. The girls all benefit from playing the top competition and shouldn't that be the focus, the girls development?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Got an axe to grind with the National Draw pool play. Every year they do this and it really starting to [lacrosse] me off. Each pool is very talent orientated. For example, an age group consists of 7 pools of teams with 5 teams in each pool. The bottom pool on the website is the best and contains all the best teams. Many of these pools contain the top 5 teams at the tournament, TG blk, YJ blue, SW blue, M&D blk, etc..... So what happens is only one of the five best teams in the tournament advance out of the pool play. You have very weak teams advancing out of weak pools into the playoffs. They should place the top teams atop each pool so the better teams can play in elimination games. Funny part of it is when the lower teams run their pool and make a playoff appearance, some parents think these teams are stronger than the top pool teams that may not make out of their top 5 team pool. And anyone crying CR schedule conspiracy, take a look at the schedules, they are in the same boat trying to advance out of a killer pool of top teams. No conspiracy there.

WOuld rather see my kid play 4 tough pool games than 4 laughers. Win the pool, win the tourney

I'd also rather play these tough teams in a full game than in a 20 single elimination game.

It all goes back to one of the first comments, whoever emerges out of the power pool should win the tournament. The unfortunate part is then the champion is often decided by goals against as tie pool records go out the window. If your MD play SW, YJ, TG all in same pool, the road becomes harder. At least a team or two will see soft pool schedules and have an advantage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It all goes back to one of the first comments, whoever emerges out of the power pool should win the tournament. The unfortunate part is then the champion is often decided by goals against as tie pool records go out the window. If your MD play SW, YJ, TG all in same pool, the road becomes harder. At least a team or two will see soft pool schedules and have an advantage.

IF ND is admitting that that bracket is the best and since there are 7 brackets overall, they should take the team with the second best record also from that bracket and make it a 8 team 'playoff'

And anyone crying CR schedule conspiracy, take a look at the schedules, they are in the same boat trying to advance out of a killer pool of top teams. No conspiracy there. [/quote]

Wrong. Pools are set up for YJ... Yj, topguns, skywalkers, and 3 weak teams in same pool... topguns play skywalkers. Yj play nobody go 4 - 0 .... topguns or skywalkers go 4 - 0. the other is out. tie breaker is goals against. topguns and skywalkers have to play each other so they should both score some goals.... Yj goals against will be lower because they play nobody. Yj advance to playoffs because they gave up less goals then topguns or skywalkers.....

[/quote]

You have some serious mental issues. Typical Tg parent who cannot see the truth even when its staring them in the face. Which age group is this happening in ? Go take a look at 2019 and let me know. [/quote]

Typical YJ response. The posters comments on the scheduling is factual. Why the name calling. Address the truth. It's set up that way to give an advantage. That's the truth. It's also disrespectful to the game and the tournament and you and me. Defend it if you are a cheater and feel you need schedule fixing to win. Open your eyes please. [/quote]

Are you really this stupid , let me help you out YJ plays MD and Skywalkers at the 2019 age group in pool play with 1 team coming out, TG is in a separate pool w clearly lower caliber teams. My question is are you this dense or just being a sh-- stirrer .

2015 LM Blue Yellow Jackets Play Skywalkers at the draw!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would rather the best teams play each other in a regulation game instead of a 20 minute playoff game.

That is the philosophy of the tournament directors as well. These good teams travel down to play the best in full games. They realize that winning the tournament is not as important as ensuring the top three or four teams in the country get to play full games against eaoch other. Not one team playing a 1/2 game, full games really show you who the best team is that day.

I would much rather have my kid play in the toughest bracket. You gain nothing from playing in the 15-2 blowouts. Learn to win against the best and you build a team. If we can't beat the best teams in pool play what would make you believe we could beat them in a playoff game. Greater lessons will be learned by a loss to a quality team than a blowout win against a weak B team.

You're right 100%. The light still needs to shine on the schedule fixing and lack of integrity happening. Carol Rose can no longer get a free pass and it can't be swept under the rug. No one is larger than the game and she has embarrassed LI and this sport long enough with her antics. I hope she is laughing now because it's all about to change.

Hey TG conspiracy lunatics, is this really what you want to be associated with. Even when the facts clearly do not support your position you are so blinded by your hatred of CR you cannot see.

Why any parent from TG would hate or care about CR is beyond me. My kids play TG and the only time I or my daughters are concerned with YJ is when their teams play against them. That has only happened once. The YJ are a very successful club respect it and be happy with the decision you made for your daughter.

CR is easy to hate. She is unfair and hurts more than she helps. She has no integrity and uses her positions to squash players advancement for, at times, the betterment of undeserving kids. You know its true as does all the parents who watch her schmooze with the same select few and not even say hello to the rest of her clubs families. She should be embarrassed.

Ummm...some good news to get off this topic. The weather looks great for this weekend at National Draw...that is the best news of all. Everyone enjoy the games, have fun and play hard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey TG conspiracy lunatics, is this really what you want to be associated with. Even when the facts clearly do not support your position you are so blinded by your hatred of CR you cannot see.

Or you drank so much CR Kool-Aid that you can't see the forest from the trees.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CR is easy to hate. She is unfair and hurts more than she helps. She has no integrity and uses her positions to squash players advancement for, at times, the betterment of undeserving kids. You know its true as does all the parents who watch her schmooze with the same select few and not even say hello to the rest of her clubs families. She should be embarrassed.

If that is the case why on earth would you have your daughter playing for YJ

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Got an axe to grind with the National Draw pool play. Every year they do this and it really starting to [lacrosse] me off. Each pool is very talent orientated. For example, an age group consists of 7 pools of teams with 5 teams in each pool. The bottom pool on the website is the best and contains all the best teams. Many of these pools contain the top 5 teams at the tournament, TG blk, YJ blue, SW blue, M&D blk, etc..... So what happens is only one of the five best teams in the tournament advance out of the pool play. You have very weak teams advancing out of weak pools into the playoffs. They should place the top teams atop each pool so the better teams can play in elimination games. Funny part of it is when the lower teams run their pool and make a playoff appearance, some parents think these teams are stronger than the top pool teams that may not make out of their top 5 team pool.

And anyone crying CR schedule conspiracy, take a look at the schedules, they are in the same boat trying to advance out of a killer pool of top teams. No conspiracy there.

Wrong. Pools are set up for YJ... Yj, topguns, skywalkers, and 3 weak teams in same pool... topguns play skywalkers. Yj play nobody go 4 - 0 .... topguns or skywalkers go 4 - 0. the other is out. tie breaker is goals against. topguns and skywalkers have to play each other so they should both score some goals.... Yj goals against will be lower because they play nobody. Yj advance to playoffs because they gave up less goals then topguns or skywalkers.....

I only looked at the schedule for the 2020 and 2021 and your rant could not be more wrong. Top YJ and Top Gun teams are in the same pool as top Skywalkers and M&D teams. They play the same exact schedule but not one another and that is the real shame of this feud. The girls all benefit from playing the top competition and shouldn't that be the focus, the girls development?

First the 2021 TG team should focus on beating teams like Team Elevate who really dominated them at National Draw before they worry about M&D - I don't think that TG team is anywhere near being a top team - would you agree there is a lot of room for improvement there?

Congratulations to 2020 Black. Great run and showed a lot of heart.

Ok responding to the fact that 2019 did not make playoffs . Well simply not the strongest in field. Lost to sky walkers who won it all. Amazing how u feel blue is so superior to the other teams under you. Tournament not set up for the best interest of your team but rather for all. And on this weekend it was tg and skywalkers

Skywalkers take 2, TG takes 1 and M&D takes 1 at the elementary and MS grad years. Unfortunately IWLCA tourney in Richmond took M&D out of the HS brackets.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Got an axe to grind with the National Draw pool play. Every year they do this and it really starting to [lacrosse] me off. Each pool is very talent orientated. For example, an age group consists of 7 pools of teams with 5 teams in each pool. The bottom pool on the website is the best and contains all the best teams. Many of these pools contain the top 5 teams at the tournament, TG blk, YJ blue, SW blue, M&D blk, etc..... So what happens is only one of the five best teams in the tournament advance out of the pool play. You have very weak teams advancing out of weak pools into the playoffs. They should place the top teams atop each pool so the better teams can play in elimination games. Funny part of it is when the lower teams run their pool and make a playoff appearance, some parents think these teams are stronger than the top pool teams that may not make out of their top 5 team pool.

And anyone crying CR schedule conspiracy, take a look at the schedules, they are in the same boat trying to advance out of a killer pool of top teams. No conspiracy there.

Wrong. Pools are set up for YJ... Yj, topguns, skywalkers, and 3 weak teams in same pool... topguns play skywalkers. Yj play nobody go 4 - 0 .... topguns or skywalkers go 4 - 0. the other is out. tie breaker is goals against. topguns and skywalkers have to play each other so they should both score some goals.... Yj goals against will be lower because they play nobody. Yj advance to playoffs because they gave up less goals then topguns or skywalkers.....

I only looked at the schedule for the 2020 and 2021 and your rant could not be more wrong. Top YJ and Top Gun teams are in the same pool as top Skywalkers and M&D teams. They play the same exact schedule but not one another and that is the real shame of this feud. The girls all benefit from playing the top competition and shouldn't that be the focus, the girls development?

First the 2021 TG team should focus on beating teams like Team Elevate who really dominated them at National Draw before they worry about M&D - I don't think that TG team is anywhere near being a top team - would you agree there is a lot of room for improvement there?

and the purple team parents need to sit down and shut up!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Got an axe to grind with the National Draw pool play. Every year they do this and it really starting to [lacrosse] me off. Each pool is very talent orientated. For example, an age group consists of 7 pools of teams with 5 teams in each pool. The bottom pool on the website is the best and contains all the best teams. Many of these pools contain the top 5 teams at the tournament, TG blk, YJ blue, SW blue, M&D blk, etc..... So what happens is only one of the five best teams in the tournament advance out of the pool play. You have very weak teams advancing out of weak pools into the playoffs. They should place the top teams atop each pool so the better teams can play in elimination games. Funny part of it is when the lower teams run their pool and make a playoff appearance, some parents think these teams are stronger than the top pool teams that may not make out of their top 5 team pool.

And anyone crying CR schedule conspiracy, take a look at the schedules, they are in the same boat trying to advance out of a killer pool of top teams. No conspiracy there.

Wrong. Pools are set up for YJ... Yj, topguns, skywalkers, and 3 weak teams in same pool... topguns play skywalkers. Yj play nobody go 4 - 0 .... topguns or skywalkers go 4 - 0. the other is out. tie breaker is goals against. topguns and skywalkers have to play each other so they should both score some goals.... Yj goals against will be lower because they play nobody. Yj advance to playoffs because they gave up less goals then topguns or skywalkers.....

I only looked at the schedule for the 2020 and 2021 and your rant could not be more wrong. Top YJ and Top Gun teams are in the same pool as top Skywalkers and M&D teams. They play the same exact schedule but not one another and that is the real shame of this feud. The girls all benefit from playing the top competition and shouldn't that be the focus, the girls development?

First the 2021 TG team should focus on beating teams like Team Elevate who really dominated them at National Draw before they worry about M&D - I don't think that TG team is anywhere near being a top team - would you agree there is a lot of room for improvement there?

and the purple team parents need to sit down and shut up!

ignore, yj parent trying to start trouble.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Skywalkers take 2, TG takes 1 and M&D takes 1 at the elementary and MS grad years. Unfortunately IWLCA tourney in Richmond took M&D out of the HS brackets.

what happened to YJ lol

way to go topguns 2020 black. class of the age group..

2021 TG purple semi finalist
2020 TG black won championship, beat YJ in finals 6 3
2019 TG black finalist, beat YJ 8 0 in semi finals
2018 TG purple finalist, beat Yj 6 5 in semi finals
2017 TG black finalist, beat YJ 6 5 in semi finals
2016 TG purple semi finalist
2015 TG purple semi finalist

Way to Go Topguns.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 TG purple semi finalist
2020 TG black won championship, beat YJ in finals 6 3
2019 TG black finalist, beat YJ 8 0 in semi finals
2018 TG purple finalist, beat Yj 6 5 in semi finals
2017 TG black finalist, beat YJ 6 5 in semi finals
2016 TG purple semi finalist
2015 TG purple semi finalist

Way to Go Topguns.....

If you are going to post all of our wins against YJ to be fair you should post when TG lost to YJ. @015 purple lost to YJ in Semi 4-2

[lacrosse], they won 16s& 17s

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Got an axe to grind with the National Draw pool play. Every year they do this and it really starting to [lacrosse] me off. Each pool is very talent orientated. For example, an age group consists of 7 pools of teams with 5 teams in each pool. The bottom pool on the website is the best and contains all the best teams. Many of these pools contain the top 5 teams at the tournament, TG blk, YJ blue, SW blue, M&D blk, etc..... So what happens is only one of the five best teams in the tournament advance out of the pool play. You have very weak teams advancing out of weak pools into the playoffs. They should place the top teams atop each pool so the better teams can play in elimination games. Funny part of it is when the lower teams run their pool and make a playoff appearance, some parents think these teams are stronger than the top pool teams that may not make out of their top 5 team pool.

And anyone crying CR schedule conspiracy, take a look at the schedules, they are in the same boat trying to advance out of a killer pool of top teams. No conspiracy there.

Wrong. Pools are set up for YJ... Yj, topguns, skywalkers, and 3 weak teams in same pool... topguns play skywalkers. Yj play nobody go 4 - 0 .... topguns or skywalkers go 4 - 0. the other is out. tie breaker is goals against. topguns and skywalkers have to play each other so they should both score some goals.... Yj goals against will be lower because they play nobody. Yj advance to playoffs because they gave up less goals then topguns or skywalkers.....

I only looked at the schedule for the 2020 and 2021 and your rant could not be more wrong. Top YJ and Top Gun teams are in the same pool as top Skywalkers and M&D teams. They play the same exact schedule but not one another and that is the real shame of this feud. The girls all benefit from playing the top competition and shouldn't that be the focus, the girls development?

First the 2021 TG team should focus on beating teams like Team Elevate who really dominated them at National Draw before they worry about M&D - I don't think that TG team is anywhere near being a top team - would you agree there is a lot of room for improvement there?

That Elevate team was a strong team for that 2021 age group. Dont be discouraged by losing to that team. Also, I know other TG teams to lost to other Elevate teams in the older age groups today. They have some good teams at many of the age grpups in that program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 TG purple semi finalist
2020 TG black won championship, beat YJ in finals 6 3
2019 TG black finalist, beat YJ 8 0 in semi finals
2018 TG purple finalist, beat Yj 6 5 in semi finals
2017 TG black finalist, beat YJ 6 5 in semi finals
2016 TG purple semi finalist
2015 TG purple semi finalist

Way to Go Topguns.....

Are you this much a a [lacrosse] . Congrats to your 2020 team but seriously your the best team your 2019 team beat was 2 nd level YJ other than that no one , at least YJ 2018 beat MD black before losing to Skywalkers . 2018 purple beat a YJ team not top level.2017 TG black got smoked by YJ in finals.2016 purple lost to 3 rd level YJ team so you can stop with the abuse of the lower level teams while your 2016 black did not make it out of pool play forcing an all YJ final. 2015 purple again placing behind 2nd level YJ. On a good note I heard BS won the hot dog eating competition , honestly if you all care about the guy you need to do an intervention . Got to give SS her props those TG 2020 parents are some major douchebags but at least she let them know it .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Got an axe to grind with the National Draw pool play. Every year they do this and it really starting to [lacrosse] me off. Each pool is very talent orientated. For example, an age group consists of 7 pools of teams with 5 teams in each pool. The bottom pool on the website is the best and contains all the best teams. Many of these pools contain the top 5 teams at the tournament, TG blk, YJ blue, SW blue, M&D blk, etc..... So what happens is only one of the five best teams in the tournament advance out of the pool play. You have very weak teams advancing out of weak pools into the playoffs. They should place the top teams atop each pool so the better teams can play in elimination games. Funny part of it is when the lower teams run their pool and make a playoff appearance, some parents think these teams are stronger than the top pool teams that may not make out of their top 5 team pool.

And anyone crying CR schedule conspiracy, take a look at the schedules, they are in the same boat trying to advance out of a killer pool of top teams. No conspiracy there.

Wrong. Pools are set up for YJ... Yj, topguns, skywalkers, and 3 weak teams in same pool... topguns play skywalkers. Yj play nobody go 4 - 0 .... topguns or skywalkers go 4 - 0. the other is out. tie breaker is goals against. topguns and skywalkers have to play each other so they should both score some goals.... Yj goals against will be lower because they play nobody. Yj advance to playoffs because they gave up less goals then topguns or skywalkers.....

I only looked at the schedule for the 2020 and 2021 and your rant could not be more wrong. Top YJ and Top Gun teams are in the same pool as top Skywalkers and M&D teams. They play the same exact schedule but not one another and that is the real shame of this feud. The girls all benefit from playing the top competition and shouldn't that be the focus, the girls development?

First the 2021 TG team should focus on beating teams like Team Elevate who really dominated them at National Draw before they worry about M&D - I don't think that TG team is anywhere near being a top team - would you agree there is a lot of room for improvement there?

That Elevate team was a strong team for that 2021 age group. Dont be discouraged by losing to that team. Also, I know other TG teams to lost to other Elevate teams in the older age groups today. They have some good teams at many of the age grpups in that program.

Is this a joke?

Joke? No, Elevate 2021 beat Top Gun Black. Why would that be a joke?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Got an axe to grind with the National Draw pool play. Every year they do this and it really starting to [lacrosse] me off. Each pool is very talent orientated. For example, an age group consists of 7 pools of teams with 5 teams in each pool. The bottom pool on the website is the best and contains all the best teams. Many of these pools contain the top 5 teams at the tournament, TG blk, YJ blue, SW blue, M&D blk, etc..... So what happens is only one of the five best teams in the tournament advance out of the pool play. You have very weak teams advancing out of weak pools into the playoffs. They should place the top teams atop each pool so the better teams can play in elimination games. Funny part of it is when the lower teams run their pool and make a playoff appearance, some parents think these teams are stronger than the top pool teams that may not make out of their top 5 team pool.

And anyone crying CR schedule conspiracy, take a look at the schedules, they are in the same boat trying to advance out of a killer pool of top teams. No conspiracy there.

Wrong. Pools are set up for YJ... Yj, topguns, skywalkers, and 3 weak teams in same pool... topguns play skywalkers. Yj play nobody go 4 - 0 .... topguns or skywalkers go 4 - 0. the other is out. tie breaker is goals against. topguns and skywalkers have to play each other so they should both score some goals.... Yj goals against will be lower because they play nobody. Yj advance to playoffs because they gave up less goals then topguns or skywalkers.....

I only looked at the schedule for the 2020 and 2021 and your rant could not be more wrong. Top YJ and Top Gun teams are in the same pool as top Skywalkers and M&D teams. They play the same exact schedule but not one another and that is the real shame of this feud. The girls all benefit from playing the top competition and shouldn't that be the focus, the girls development?

First the 2021 TG team should focus on beating teams like Team Elevate who really dominated them at National Draw before they worry about M&D - I don't think that TG team is anywhere near being a top team - would you agree there is a lot of room for improvement there?

That Elevate team was a strong team for that 2021 age group. Dont be discouraged by losing to that team. Also, I know other TG teams to lost to other Elevate teams in the older age groups today. They have some good teams at many of the age grpups in that program.

Ok Dave thanks for the update!

2020 TG parents should be banned from all games going forward. They are a complete mess. It is embarrassing being on the sidelines with them. I take off my topgun hat and walk away, stay by myself or with other teams parents and pretend I am not associated with them.

from a TG parent ... please Bill, its out of hand

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 TG purple semi finalist
2020 TG black won championship, beat YJ in finals 6 3
2019 TG black finalist, beat YJ 8 0 in semi finals
2018 TG purple finalist, beat Yj 6 5 in semi finals
2017 TG black finalist, beat YJ 6 5 in semi finals
2016 TG purple semi finalist
2015 TG purple semi finalist

Way to Go Topguns.....

Are you this much a a [lacrosse] . Congrats to your 2020 team but seriously your the best team your 2019 team beat was 2 nd level YJ other than that no one , at least YJ 2018 beat MD black before losing to Skywalkers . 2018 purple beat a YJ team not top level.2017 TG black got smoked by YJ in finals.2016 purple lost to 3 rd level YJ team so you can stop with the abuse of the lower level teams while your 2016 black did not make it out of pool play forcing an all YJ final. 2015 purple again placing behind 2nd level YJ. On a good note I heard BS won the hot dog eating competition , honestly if you all care about the guy you need to do an intervention . Got to give SS her props those TG 2020 parents are some major douchebags but at least she let them know it .

go back to your sorry [lacrosse] YJ thread.. This is Topguns thread, why would I post Yj wins.....

16 topguns went 4 - 0 , and are U15 National Champs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Joke? No, Elevate 2021 beat Top Gun Black. Why would that be a joke?

Yes I heard half that elevate team is committed and the other half is committed to getting potty trained, a strong 2021 team , very funny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[lacrosse], they won 16s& 17s

2017 watered-down grad year at Draw. M&D's, Skywalkers', Heros' and Capital's top 2017 teams all at Champions Cup. This is the big recruiting summer for the 2017's and all the coaches were at Champions Cup.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 TG purple semi finalist
2020 TG black won championship, beat YJ in finals 6 3
2019 TG black finalist, beat YJ 8 0 in semi finals
2018 TG purple finalist, beat Yj 6 5 in semi finals
2017 TG black finalist, beat YJ 6 5 in semi finals
2016 TG purple semi finalist
2015 TG purple semi finalist

Way to Go Topguns.....

Are you this much a a [lacrosse] . Congrats to your 2020 team but seriously your the best team your 2019 team beat was 2 nd level YJ other than that no one , at least YJ 2018 beat MD black before losing to Skywalkers . 2018 purple beat a YJ team not top level.2017 TG black got smoked by YJ in finals.2016 purple lost to 3 rd level YJ team so you can stop with the abuse of the lower level teams while your 2016 black did not make it out of pool play forcing an all YJ final. 2015 purple again placing behind 2nd level YJ. On a good note I heard BS won the hot dog eating competition , honestly if you all care about the guy you need to do an intervention . Got to give SS her props those TG 2020 parents are some major douchebags but at least she let them know it .

go back to your sorry [lacrosse] YJ thread.. This is Topguns thread, why would I post Yj wins.....

16 topguns went 4 - 0 , and are U15 National Champs.

16 TG team black did not get out of pool play, 16 TG purple got spanked in playoffs by third YJ team , YJ 2016 are national draw champs. Everyone knows why TG won U15 nationals and to say your 2016 team won it is just degrading the 2015 player that put your sorry [lacrosse] team that has never won a tournament on her back and got you the win. I hear this year she is going to play down at your pathetic TG tournament so you can win that one where you got spanked by Suffolk all-stars last year. the good news for TG is that one kid is amazing and probably the best player on Long Island but don't cheapen her accomplishment by claiming a 2016 national championship , with out her have you ever won anything?

In 5 short years TG has gotten good enough to compete in the older ages and the younger teams are starting to knock off some of the YJ age groups. YJ is not as Elite any more just a fact get used to it!

losing 3-2 in the last 30 seconds is not getting spanked the "3rd team" is a nice team that deserved the win. Not advancing out of pool is a product of goal differential. similar to TG purple advancing over YJ 2. Does that make the purple team better than YJ 2 ? Don't know never played. Besides Think the black and blue match up at summer classic was pretty lopsided in favor of TG. OH I Know blue was missing players. Stop the madness both are great programs at all age groups

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Got an axe to grind with the National Draw pool play. Every year they do this and it really starting to [lacrosse] me off. Each pool is very talent orientated. For example, an age group consists of 7 pools of teams with 5 teams in each pool. The bottom pool on the website is the best and contains all the best teams. Many of these pools contain the top 5 teams at the tournament, TG blk, YJ blue, SW blue, M&D blk, etc..... So what happens is only one of the five best teams in the tournament advance out of the pool play. You have very weak teams advancing out of weak pools into the playoffs. They should place the top teams atop each pool so the better teams can play in elimination games. Funny part of it is when the lower teams run their pool and make a playoff appearance, some parents think these teams are stronger than the top pool teams that may not make out of their top 5 team pool.

And anyone crying CR schedule conspiracy, take a look at the schedules, they are in the same boat trying to advance out of a killer pool of top teams. No conspiracy there.

Wrong. Pools are set up for YJ... Yj, topguns, skywalkers, and 3 weak teams in same pool... topguns play skywalkers. Yj play nobody go 4 - 0 .... topguns or skywalkers go 4 - 0. the other is out. tie breaker is goals against. topguns and skywalkers have to play each other so they should both score some goals.... Yj goals against will be lower because they play nobody. Yj advance to playoffs because they gave up less goals then topguns or skywalkers.....

I only looked at the schedule for the 2020 and 2021 and your rant could not be more wrong. Top YJ and Top Gun teams are in the same pool as top Skywalkers and M&D teams. They play the same exact schedule but not one another and that is the real shame of this feud. The girls all benefit from playing the top competition and shouldn't that be the focus, the girls development?

First the 2021 TG team should focus on beating teams like Team Elevate who really dominated them at National Draw before they worry about M&D - I don't think that TG team is anywhere near being a top team - would you agree there is a lot of room for improvement there?

That Elevate team was a strong team for that 2021 age group. Dont be discouraged by losing to that team. Also, I know other TG teams to lost to other Elevate teams in the older age groups today. They have some good teams at many of the age grpups in that program.

Is this the same Elevate team that lost to M&D 10-3 Saturday. To defend the 2021 TG Black team by saying that Elevate is a good team is silly. Having played both those teams, I am very surprised that TG lost to Elevate. We have played a couple town rec teams that are better than that Elevate team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 TG purple semi finalist
2020 TG black won championship, beat YJ in finals 6 3
2019 TG black finalist, beat YJ 8 0 in semi finals
2018 TG purple finalist, beat Yj 6 5 in semi finals
2017 TG black finalist, beat YJ 6 5 in semi finals
2016 TG purple semi finalist
2015 TG purple semi finalist

Way to Go Topguns.....

Are you this much a a [lacrosse] . Congrats to your 2020 team but seriously your the best team your 2019 team beat was 2 nd level YJ other than that no one , at least YJ 2018 beat MD black before losing to Skywalkers . 2018 purple beat a YJ team not top level.2017 TG black got smoked by YJ in finals.2016 purple lost to 3 rd level YJ team so you can stop with the abuse of the lower level teams while your 2016 black did not make it out of pool play forcing an all YJ final. 2015 purple again placing behind 2nd level YJ. On a good note I heard BS won the hot dog eating competition , honestly if you all care about the guy you need to do an intervention . Got to give SS her props those TG 2020 parents are some major douchebags but at least she let them know it .

go back to your sorry [lacrosse] YJ thread.. This is Topguns thread, why would I post Yj wins.....

16 topguns went 4 - 0 , and are U15 National Champs.

16 TG team black did not get out of pool play, 16 TG purple got spanked in playoffs by third YJ team , YJ 2016 are national draw champs. Everyone knows why TG won U15 nationals and to say your 2016 team won it is just degrading the 2015 player that put your sorry [lacrosse] team that has never won a tournament on her back and got you the win. I hear this year she is going to play down at your pathetic TG tournament so you can win that one where you got spanked by Suffolk all-stars last year. the good news for TG is that one kid is amazing and probably the best player on Long Island but don't cheapen her accomplishment by claiming a 2016 national championship , with out her have you ever won anything?

We beat you by 8 at the summer classic..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2021 TG purple semi finalist
2020 TG black won championship, beat YJ in finals 6 3
2019 TG black finalist, beat YJ 8 0 in semi finals
2018 TG purple finalist, beat Yj 6 5 in semi finals
2017 TG black finalist, beat YJ 6 5 in semi finals
2016 TG purple semi finalist
2015 TG purple semi finalist

Way to Go Topguns.....

Are you this much a a [lacrosse] . Congrats to your 2020 team but seriously your the best team your 2019 team beat was 2 nd level YJ other than that no one , at least YJ 2018 beat MD black before losing to Skywalkers . 2018 purple beat a YJ team not top level.2017 TG black got smoked by YJ in finals.2016 purple lost to 3 rd level YJ team so you can stop with the abuse of the lower level teams while your 2016 black did not make it out of pool play forcing an all YJ final. 2015 purple again placing behind 2nd level YJ. On a good note I heard BS won the hot dog eating competition , honestly if you all care about the guy you need to do an intervention . Got to give SS her props those TG 2020 parents are some major douchebags but at least she let them know it .

go back to your sorry [lacrosse] YJ thread.. This is Topguns thread, why would I post Yj wins.....

16 topguns went 4 - 0 , and are U15 National Champs.

16 TG team black did not get out of pool play, 16 TG purple got spanked in playoffs by third YJ team , YJ 2016 are national draw champs. Everyone knows why TG won U15 nationals and to say your 2016 team won it is just degrading the 2015 player that put your sorry [lacrosse] team that has never won a tournament on her back and got you the win. I hear this year she is going to play down at your pathetic TG tournament so you can win that one where you got spanked by Suffolk all-stars last year. the good news for TG is that one kid is amazing and probably the best player on Long Island but don't cheapen her accomplishment by claiming a 2016 national championship , with out her have you ever won anything

How many championships would the Chicago Bulls have won without Michael Jordan?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Joke? No, Elevate 2021 beat Top Gun Black. Why would that be a joke?

I rest my case

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2021 TG purple semi finalist
2020 TG black won championship, beat YJ in finals 6 3
2019 TG black finalist, beat YJ 8 0 in semi finals
2018 TG purple finalist, beat Yj 6 5 in semi finals
2017 TG black finalist, beat YJ 6 5 in semi finals
2016 TG purple semi finalist
2015 TG purple semi finalist

Way to Go Topguns.....

Are you this much a a [lacrosse] . Congrats to your 2020 team but seriously your the best team your 2019 team beat was 2 nd level YJ other than that no one , at least YJ 2018 beat MD black before losing to Skywalkers . 2018 purple beat a YJ team not top level.2017 TG black got smoked by YJ in finals.2016 purple lost to 3 rd level YJ team so you can stop with the abuse of the lower level teams while your 2016 black did not make it out of pool play forcing an all YJ final. 2015 purple again placing behind 2nd level YJ. On a good note I heard BS won the hot dog eating competition , honestly if you all care about the guy you need to do an intervention . Got to give SS her props those TG 2020 parents are some major douchebags but at least she let them know it

Jealous much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2021 TG purple semi finalist
2020 TG black won championship, beat YJ in finals 6 3
2019 TG black finalist, beat YJ 8 0 in semi finals
2018 TG purple finalist, beat Yj 6 5 in semi finals
2017 TG black finalist, beat YJ 6 5 in semi finals
2016 TG purple semi finalist
2015 TG purple semi finalist

Way to Go Topguns.....

Are you this much a a [lacrosse] . Congrats to your 2020 team but seriously your the best team your 2019 team beat was 2 nd level YJ other than that no one , at least YJ 2018 beat MD black before losing to Skywalkers . 2018 purple beat a YJ team not top level.2017 TG black got smoked by YJ in finals.2016 purple lost to 3 rd level YJ team so you can stop with the abuse of the lower level teams while your 2016 black did not make it out of pool play forcing an all YJ final. 2015 purple again placing behind 2nd level YJ. On a good note I heard BS won the hot dog eating competition , honestly if you all care about the guy you need to do an intervention . Got to give SS her props those TG 2020 parents are some major douchebags but at least she let them know it

Jealous much.

Yes I wish my gut had its own zip code like his

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2021 TG purple semi finalist
2020 TG black won championship, beat YJ in finals 6 3
2019 TG black finalist, beat YJ 8 0 in semi finals
2018 TG purple finalist, beat Yj 6 5 in semi finals
2017 TG black finalist, beat YJ 6 5 in semi finals
2016 TG purple semi finalist
2015 TG purple semi finalist

Way to Go Topguns.....

Are you this much a a [lacrosse] . Congrats to your 2020 team but seriously your the best team your 2019 team beat was 2 nd level YJ other than that no one , at least YJ 2018 beat MD black before losing to Skywalkers . 2018 purple beat a YJ team not top level.2017 TG black got smoked by YJ in finals.2016 purple lost to 3 rd level YJ team so you can stop with the abuse of the lower level teams while your 2016 black did not make it out of pool play forcing an all YJ final. 2015 purple again placing behind 2nd level YJ. On a good note I heard BS won the hot dog eating competition , honestly if you all care about the guy you need to do an intervention . Got to give SS her props those TG 2020 parents are some major douchebags but at least she let them know it

Jealous much.

Calling a team Elite now thats Douchey

this whole thread is pretty sad.

Now you all can see why BS and CR look to avoid playing each others clubs, its not fear of losing, its them trying to take away an oppurtunity for the parents to embarrass themselves. Not sure which thread is more ridiculous, TG or YJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2021 TG purple semi finalist
2020 TG black won championship, beat YJ in finals 6 3
2019 TG black finalist, beat YJ 8 0 in semi finals
2018 TG purple finalist, beat Yj 6 5 in semi finals
2017 TG black finalist, beat YJ 6 5 in semi finals
2016 TG purple semi finalist
2015 TG purple semi finalist

Way to Go Topguns.....

Are you this much a a [lacrosse] . Congrats to your 2020 team but seriously your the best team your 2019 team beat was 2 nd level YJ other than that no one , at least YJ 2018 beat MD black before losing to Skywalkers . 2018 purple beat a YJ team not top level.2017 TG black got smoked by YJ in finals.2016 purple lost to 3 rd level YJ team so you can stop with the abuse of the lower level teams while your 2016 black did not make it out of pool play forcing an all YJ final. 2015 purple again placing behind 2nd level YJ. On a good note I heard BS won the hot dog eating competition , honestly if you all care about the guy you need to do an intervention . Got to give SS her props those TG 2020 parents are some major douchebags but at least she let them know it

Jealous much.

?? YJ 18 blue was not at ND. And, they played mD Black once this year and lost. No other YJ 18 team would come within 8 goals of MD Black. So what are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2021 TG purple semi finalist
2020 TG black won championship, beat YJ in finals 6 3
2019 TG black finalist, beat YJ 8 0 in semi finals
2018 TG purple finalist, beat Yj 6 5 in semi finals
2017 TG black finalist, beat YJ 6 5 in semi finals
2016 TG purple semi finalist
2015 TG purple semi finalist

Way to Go Topguns.....

Are you this much a a [lacrosse] . Congrats to your 2020 team but seriously your the best team your 2019 team beat was 2 nd level YJ other than that no one , at least YJ 2018 beat MD black before losing to Skywalkers . 2018 purple beat a YJ team not top level.2017 TG black got smoked by YJ in finals.2016 purple lost to 3 rd level YJ team so you can stop with the abuse of the lower level teams while your 2016 black did not make it out of pool play forcing an all YJ final. 2015 purple again placing behind 2nd level YJ. On a good note I heard BS won the hot dog eating competition , honestly if you all care about the guy you need to do an intervention . Got to give SS her props those TG 2020 parents are some major douchebags but at least she let them know it

Jealous much.

The funniest thing is all of the Elite YJ parents are so worried about TG that they know everything about every team in every age group! All of you are so concerned with justifying the decision that you made for your daughter. Embrace your elite status and stop worrying about TG.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2021 TG purple semi finalist
2020 TG black won championship, beat YJ in finals 6 3
2019 TG black finalist, beat YJ 8 0 in semi finals
2018 TG purple finalist, beat Yj 6 5 in semi finals
2017 TG black finalist, beat YJ 6 5 in semi finals
2016 TG purple semi finalist
2015 TG purple semi finalist

Way to Go Topguns.....

Are you this much a a [lacrosse] . Congrats to your 2020 team but seriously your the best team your 2019 team beat was 2 nd level YJ other than that no one , at least YJ 2018 beat MD black before losing to Skywalkers . 2018 purple beat a YJ team not top level.2017 TG black got smoked by YJ in finals.2016 purple lost to 3 rd level YJ team so you can stop with the abuse of the lower level teams while your 2016 black did not make it out of pool play forcing an all YJ final. 2015 purple again placing behind 2nd level YJ. On a good note I heard BS won the hot dog eating competition , honestly if you all care about the guy you need to do an intervention . Got to give SS her props those TG 2020 parents are some major douchebags but at least she let them know it

Jealous much.

The funniest thing is all of the Elite YJ parents are so worried about TG that they know everything about every team in every age group! All of you are so concerned with justifying the decision that you made for your daughter. Embrace your elite status and stop worrying about TG.

Actually the funniest thing is the original post was from a TG loser that knew everything about the YJ teams in each age group but you just ignored that. Yes embrace your decision to be coached by a hung over college kid taking a nap on the bench during games

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually the funniest thing is the original post was from a TG loser that knew everything about the YJ teams in each age group but you just ignored that. Yes embrace your decision to be coached by a hung over college kid taking a nap on the bench during games

Go re-read your YJ thread. Seems like some coaching issues are happening within your club.

I ask my daughter if she had a fun weekend and she did. maybe we should refocus on that, running around with her friends and having a total girl weekend. happy daughter goes a lot further than a stressed out one. if you don't like your coach there are a lot of teams out there. life is to short and these should be fun times.

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2021 TG purple semi finalist
2020 TG black won championship, beat YJ in finals 6 3
2019 TG black finalist, beat YJ 8 0 in semi finals
2018 TG purple finalist, beat Yj 6 5 in semi finals
2017 TG black finalist, beat YJ 6 5 in semi finals
2016 TG purple semi finalist
2015 TG purple semi finalist

Way to Go Topguns.....

Are you this much a a [lacrosse] . Congrats to your 2020 team but seriously your the best team your 2019 team beat was 2 nd level YJ other than that no one , at least YJ 2018 beat MD black before losing to Skywalkers . 2018 purple beat a YJ team not top level.2017 TG black got smoked by YJ in finals.2016 purple lost to 3 rd level YJ team so you can stop with the abuse of the lower level teams while your 2016 black did not make it out of pool play forcing an all YJ final. 2015 purple again placing behind 2nd level YJ. On a good note I heard BS won the hot dog eating competition , honestly if you all care about the guy you need to do an intervention . Got to give SS her props those TG 2020 parents are some major douchebags but at least she let them know it

Jealous much.

?? YJ 18 blue was not at ND. And, they played mD Black once this year and lost. No other YJ 18 team would come within 8 goals of MD Black. So what are you talking about?

True, M&D 2018 lost one game...to Skywalkers in the semi. Some people are truely committed eroding their credibility and making fools of themselves.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually the funniest thing is the original post was from a TG loser that knew everything about the YJ teams in each age group but you just ignored that. Yes embrace your decision to be coached by a hung over college kid taking a nap on the bench during games

Go re-read your YJ thread. Seems like some coaching issues are happening within your club.

YJ coaches aren't hung over but they are taken advantage of and manipulated by the older parents especially the F&F ones

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually the funniest thing is the original post was from a TG loser that knew everything about the YJ teams in each age group but you just ignored that. Yes embrace your decision to be coached by a hung over college kid taking a nap on the bench during games

Go re-read your YJ thread. Seems like some coaching issues are happening within your club.

Powder just because you have a bunch of idiots complaining means nothing as most if not all writing that stuff do not have a kid coached by who they are ranting about.Falling asleep on the bench because he was hungover , have not heard anyone deny it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually the funniest thing is the original post was from a TG loser that knew everything about the YJ teams in each age group but you just ignored that. Yes embrace your decision to be coached by a hung over college kid taking a nap on the bench during games

Go re-read your YJ thread. Seems like some coaching issues are happening within your club.

Powder just because you have a bunch of idiots complaining means nothing as most if not all writing that stuff do not have a kid coached by who they are ranting about.Falling asleep on the bench because he was hungover , have not heard anyone deny it.

Not here to defend him but I heard he did dose off on the sideline, but it was for a TG team that he wasn't the coach for as he stops in on literally dozens of games of teams that are not the ones he coaches. If that's the case he gets a pass as he does give a crap about all the teams in the club not just his own.

Talk about cool aide drinkers , he cares so much he decided to take a nap on the bench. How many passes do you give , that's the true friends and family plan.

the hotdog eating contest that BS won. Did he beat CR in the finals or was it PM ? Once again TG beats YJ in finals.

I think I would rather watch that Hot Dog Eating contest than Summer Stall Ball.

you people are all seriously out of your minds. my daughter tried out for top guns because she was looking for some extra training and to play with girls that enjoy the game as much as she does. The choice was based on some feedback I got as well as proximity of practice fields to my house I do enough running around all week without having to travel more than 1/2 hr..so far its been a great experience for her.. nice coaches that know the game, nice girls on her team and some nice parents to talk to..lacrosse is just a portion of who she is as a person..from what I read on here I suggest you people find a hobby of some sort because you all sound like you're not wrapped too tight!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you people are all seriously out of your minds. my daughter tried out for top guns because she was looking for some extra training and to play with girls that enjoy the game as much as she does. The choice was based on some feedback I got as well as proximity of practice fields to my house I do enough running around all week without having to travel more than 1/2 hr..so far its been a great experience for her.. nice coaches that know the game, nice girls on her team and some nice parents to talk to..lacrosse is just a portion of who she is as a person..from what I read on here I suggest you people find a hobby of some sort because you all sound like you're not wrapped too tight!!

this is our hobby.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you people are all seriously out of your minds. my daughter tried out for top guns because she was looking for some extra training and to play with girls that enjoy the game as much as she does. The choice was based on some feedback I got as well as proximity of practice fields to my house I do enough running around all week without having to travel more than 1/2 hr..so far its been a great experience for her.. nice coaches that know the game, nice girls on her team and some nice parents to talk to..lacrosse is just a portion of who she is as a person..from what I read on here I suggest you people find a hobby of some sort because you all sound like you're not wrapped too tight!!

Glad that it's working out for you. Same for us. It's been a great experience, so far, and we're with them for the long haul. The YJ vs. TG stuff is a bunch of nonsense. It's for people with too much time on their hands, who need a way to either entertain themselves, or to try to justify wherever they're daughter is playing. Who was hungover, who's manipulated by parents, friends and family, CR, BS...most people writing this crap never played or coached and don't know what they're talking about when it comes to lacrosse. It's too bad the YJ vs. TG fight exists. It would be great if they had a competitive, civil, relationship, being that they're two of the best girls lacrosse programs around.

Give it time and you guys will fall right in line with the rest of us lunatics. This makes riding the LIRR possible. They should have their own rant. If you don't wish to join the lunatics move to MD there doesn't seem to be any bashing on their part of the forum. Just nice people saying how all the Skywalkers go on to play Division I womens lacrosse. Now who are the real LUNATICS!

I'm more impressed with the fact that I read three posts in a row where everything was spelled correctly and proper use of there, their and they're lmao

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm more impressed with the fact that I read three posts in a row where everything was spelled correctly and proper use of there, their and they're lmao

Regardless, keep your expectations low..............

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Give it time and you guys will fall right in line with the rest of us lunatics. This makes riding the LIRR possible. They should have their own rant. If you don't wish to join the lunatics move to MD there doesn't seem to be any bashing on their part of the forum. Just nice people saying how all the Skywalkers go on to play Division I womens lacrosse. Now who are the real LUNATICS!

Have you ever played SW blue? Believe me the parents are just as nuts as TG and YJ. As far as the zero traffic on BOTC, this site is mainly LI lax with a tiny thread started for MD lax that never took hold. I have girls play in three age groups I can attest that the MD parent sideline behavior is as bad or worse the LI parents.

I just read the Cabell Maddux thread on the MD forum sounds like he is pyschotic to the point of being instuitionalized. Yes I have a lot of time on my hands. Read the thread and you will realize how normal us Long Islanders seem to be compared to this lunatic. Go ahead I dare you to read it.

Saw an Elevate coach follow an M&D goalie and her dad out into the parking lot of the CNC in Maryland last summer, yelling at them the entire time....we were on the adjacent field, believe they were 2017s. There are nuts everywhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just read the Cabell Maddux thread on the MD forum sounds like he is pyschotic to the point of being instuitionalized. Yes I have a lot of time on my hands. Read the thread and you will realize how normal us Long Islanders seem to be compared to this lunatic. Go ahead I dare you to read it.

He was just stupid enought o put down in writing what more than one LI club director(boys and girls clubs) have expressed or intimated verbally to parents and kids

How much money do these clubs make ?

16 teams x 25 girls = 400 girls.

400 girls x $1300 = $520,000.00

minus 5 tournament per girl 5 x $50 per tournament = $250.00
250.00 x 400 girls = 100,000.00-

minus new uniforms for new young team starting out
25 girls x $50.00 = $1,250.00- and those uniforms dont cost $50 bucks, have you seen them?

minus coaching salaries. 99% of coaches are college kids, so How much could that cost them. 16 teams x 2 coaches = 32 coaches at $1000.00 per coach = $32,000.00.

You do the math ...... throw in some new goals and balls and your talking $350,000.00 profit.

Did I miss anything ? There is absolutely no reason we should be paying this much money for girls lacrosse. Lets just say NO..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How much money do these clubs make ?

16 teams x 25 girls = 400 girls.

400 girls x $1300 = $520,000.00

minus 5 tournament per girl 5 x $50 per tournament = $250.00
250.00 x 400 girls = 100,000.00-

minus new uniforms for new young team starting out
25 girls x $50.00 = $1,250.00- and those uniforms dont cost $50 bucks, have you seen them?

minus coaching salaries. 99% of coaches are college kids, so How much could that cost them. 16 teams x 2 coaches = 32 coaches at $1000.00 per coach = $32,000.00.

You do the math ...... throw in some new goals and balls and your talking $350,000.00 profit.

Did I miss anything ? There is absolutely no reason we should be paying this much money for girls lacrosse. Lets just say NO..

Holy Crap. and I have to pay 20 bucks for a 5 buck hat

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How much money do these clubs make ?

16 teams x 25 girls = 400 girls.

400 girls x $1300 = $520,000.00

minus 5 tournament per girl 5 x $50 per tournament = $250.00
250.00 x 400 girls = 100,000.00-

minus new uniforms for new young team starting out
25 girls x $50.00 = $1,250.00- and those uniforms dont cost $50 bucks, have you seen them?

minus coaching salaries. 99% of coaches are college kids, so How much could that cost them. 16 teams x 2 coaches = 32 coaches at $1000.00 per coach = $32,000.00.

You do the math ...... throw in some new goals and balls and your talking $350,000.00 profit.

Did I miss anything ? There is absolutely no reason we should be paying this much money for girls lacrosse. Lets just say NO..

Field rentals, insurance, travel/lodging/meal expenses for your 32 coaches, professional services, etc.....not saying it's not profitable but I doubt it's nearly as lucrative as you make it out to be

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How much money do these clubs make ?

16 teams x 25 girls = 400 girls.

400 girls x $1300 = $520,000.00

minus 5 tournament per girl 5 x $50 per tournament = $250.00
250.00 x 400 girls = 100,000.00-

minus new uniforms for new young team starting out
25 girls x $50.00 = $1,250.00- and those uniforms dont cost $50 bucks, have you seen them?

minus coaching salaries. 99% of coaches are college kids, so How much could that cost them. 16 teams x 2 coaches = 32 coaches at $1000.00 per coach = $32,000.00.

You do the math ...... throw in some new goals and balls and your talking $350,000.00 profit.

Did I miss anything ? There is absolutely no reason we should be paying this much money for girls lacrosse. Lets just say NO..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How much money do these clubs make ?

16 teams x 25 girls = 400 girls.

400 girls x $1300 = $520,000.00

minus 5 tournament per girl 5 x $50 per tournament = $250.00
250.00 x 400 girls = 100,000.00-

minus new uniforms for new young team starting out
25 girls x $50.00 = $1,250.00- and those uniforms dont cost $50 bucks, have you seen them?

minus coaching salaries. 99% of coaches are college kids, so How much could that cost them. 16 teams x 2 coaches = 32 coaches at $1000.00 per coach = $32,000.00.

You do the math ...... throw in some new goals and balls and your talking $350,000.00 profit.

Did I miss anything ? There is absolutely no reason we should be paying this much money for girls lacrosse. Lets just say NO..

Don't pay and do what? If your kid wants to play in college (or better yet if you want her play in college) what other option do you have.

You can go to camps hosted by college coaches at 500 a week and it adds up to the same price. Your choice I guess. No gun being held to your head.

TG 2020 team , undefeated on the season, multiple Brine All Americans , best player in the 2019-2020 age group, excellent coach. Say what you want but I believe this group can beat any 2019 team out there, I hear have asked the 19s to scrimmage and they want nothing to do with it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2020 team , undefeated on the season, multiple Brine All Americans , best player in the 2019-2020 age group, excellent coach. Say what you want but I believe this group can beat any 2019 team out there, I hear have asked the 19s to scrimmage and they want nothing to do with it.

From a an older TG parent please don"t post this BullS$$$$ just let the kids play what they do or do not do will speak for them. It's crap like this that brings unwanted attention an ridicule

Brine All Americans, are you a idiot? They are 12 yrs old. Brine is a money maker and a thing for parents to brag about. They didn't even take one of the best middies in 2020 and a fantastic goalie also didn't. make the cut Check yourself , long time before you can say All Americans in this age group

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2020 team , undefeated on the season, multiple Brine All Americans , best player in the 2019-2020 age group, excellent coach. Say what you want but I believe this group can beat any 2019 team out there, I hear have asked the 19s to scrimmage and they want nothing to do with it.

This smells like BS from a yj parent trying to stir up [lacrosse] - just go away

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2020 team , undefeated on the season, multiple Brine All Americans , best player in the 2019-2020 age group, excellent coach. Say what you want but I believe this group can beat any 2019 team out there, I hear have asked the 19s to scrimmage and they want nothing to do with it.

Why do parents feel the need to boast the kids? There are many gifted players on the team who actually get the game and how it is meant to be played, vision, passing, transition etc. If your laying the title of best player in age group it should be shared among the group who plays like a team. There are a couple of isolation, go to goal types on the team, in a fools eye you would call them the best player in age group. I guess if your mom or dad you don't see the difference!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2020 team , undefeated on the season, multiple Brine All Americans , best player in the 2019-2020 age group, excellent coach. Say what you want but I believe this group can beat any 2019 team out there, I hear have asked the 19s to scrimmage and they want nothing to do with it.

DON'T BITE ON THIS!! SMELLS YELLOW

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2020 team , undefeated on the season, multiple Brine All Americans , best player in the 2019-2020 age group, excellent coach. Say what you want but I believe this group can beat any 2019 team out there, I hear have asked the 19s to scrimmage and they want nothing to do with it.

From a an older TG parent please don"t post this BullS$$$$ just let the kids play what they do or do not do will speak for them. It's crap like this that brings unwanted attention an ridicule

I agree. Bragging is classless and only brings added unwanted pressure and nasty comments from the nut jobs on here. If the kids are good then their future will be bright and they will end up in a great place.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2020 team , undefeated on the season, multiple Brine All Americans , best player in the 2019-2020 age group, excellent coach. Say what you want but I believe this group can beat any 2019 team out there, I hear have asked the 19s to scrimmage and they want nothing to do with it.

From a an older TG parent please don"t post this BullS$$$$ just let the kids play what they do or do not do will speak for them. It's crap like this that brings unwanted attention an ridicule

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2020 team , undefeated on the season, multiple Brine All Americans , best player in the 2019-2020 age group, excellent coach. Say what you want but I believe this group can beat any 2019 team out there, I hear have asked the 19s to scrimmage and they want nothing to do with it.

From a an older TG parent please don"t post this BullS$$$$ just let the kids play what they do or do not do will speak for them. It's crap like this that brings unwanted attention an ridicule

I think you are on the wrong thread.
YJ thread, down the hall and to your right. They will love your BS. Here we just yawn at a dumb*ss like you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How much money do these clubs make ?

16 teams x 25 girls = 400 girls.

400 girls x $1300 = $520,000.00

minus 5 tournament per girl 5 x $50 per tournament = $250.00
250.00 x 400 girls = 100,000.00-

minus new uniforms for new young team starting out
25 girls x $50.00 = $1,250.00- and those uniforms dont cost $50 bucks, have you seen them?

minus coaching salaries. 99% of coaches are college kids, so How much could that cost them. 16 teams x 2 coaches = 32 coaches at $1000.00 per coach = $32,000.00.

You do the math ...... throw in some new goals and balls and your talking $350,000.00 profit.

Did I miss anything ? There is absolutely no reason we should be paying this much money for girls lacrosse. Lets just say NO..

Field rentals, insurance, travel/lodging/meal expenses for your 32 coaches, professional services, etc.....not saying it's not profitable but I doubt it's nearly as lucrative as you make it out to be

triple that profit for YJ.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How much money do these clubs make ?

16 teams x 25 girls = 400 girls.

400 girls x $1300 = $520,000.00

minus 5 tournament per girl 5 x $50 per tournament = $250.00
250.00 x 400 girls = 100,000.00-

minus new uniforms for new young team starting out
25 girls x $50.00 = $1,250.00- and those uniforms dont cost $50 bucks, have you seen them?

minus coaching salaries. 99% of coaches are college kids, so How much could that cost them. 16 teams x 2 coaches = 32 coaches at $1000.00 per coach = $32,000.00.

You do the math ...... throw in some new goals and balls and your talking $350,000.00 profit.

Did I miss anything ? There is absolutely no reason we should be paying this much money for girls lacrosse. Lets just say NO..

Field rentals, insurance, travel/lodging/meal expenses for your 32 coaches, professional services, etc.....not saying it's not profitable but I doubt it's nearly as lucrative as you make it out to be

triple that profit for YJ.....

don't forget to add camps,clinincs,personal training, yj gear and the reccomendation leter fee

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2020 team , undefeated on the season, multiple Brine All Americans , best player in the 2019-2020 age group, excellent coach. Say what you want but I believe this group can beat any 2019 team out there, I hear have asked the 19s to scrimmage and they want nothing to do with it.

OMG, OMG, OMG!!! I am a 2020 TG parent and I really hope this was not written by one of our parents. Yes, we are undefeated for the season and that should of been the end of your post. Please stop putting ridiculous crap like this out there, it makes us all look stupid and most of us are not!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2020 team , undefeated on the season, multiple Brine All Americans , best player in the 2019-2020 age group, excellent coach. Say what you want but I believe this group can beat any 2019 team out there, I hear have asked the 19s to scrimmage and they want nothing to do with it.

You forgot to boast about being the biggest embarrassment to the club too!! No one wants anything to do with this age group buddy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2020 team , undefeated on the season, multiple Brine All Americans , best player in the 2019-2020 age group, excellent coach. Say what you want but I believe this group can beat any 2019 team out there, I hear have asked the 19s to scrimmage and they want nothing to do with it.

Give it a rest, you have one player who never leaves the field and is easily your best player( as the kids get older usually these players get caught and passed by the pack), and the rest of the team rides on her to wins in close games.The second half of the team is below average at best. As far as beating 2019 teams no chance against any top teams , would be B level at best.Not one of your players except that kid would start on 2019 black.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2020 team , undefeated on the season, multiple Brine All Americans , best player in the 2019-2020 age group, excellent coach. Say what you want but I believe this group can beat any 2019 team out there, I hear have asked the 19s to scrimmage and they want nothing to do with it.

Give it a rest, you have one player who never leaves the field and is easily your best player( as the kids get older usually these players get caught and passed by the pack), and the rest of the team rides on her to wins in close games.The second half of the team is below average at best. As far as beating 2019 teams no chance against any top teams , would be B level at best.Not one of your players except that kid would start on 2019 black.

The original post was not by a 2020 black parent. The $#/+ stirrers are out in full force!

And you took the bait! Hook, Line and Sinker...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2020 team , undefeated on the season, multiple Brine All Americans , best player in the 2019-2020 age group, excellent coach. Say what you want but I believe this group can beat any 2019 team out there, I hear have asked the 19s to scrimmage and they want nothing to do with it.

OMG, OMG, OMG!!! I am a 2020 TG parent and I really hope this was not written by one of our parents. Yes, we are undefeated for the season and that should of been the end of your post. Please stop putting ridiculous crap like this out there, it makes us all look stupid and most of us are not!

It wasn't...it was just some dope looking to stir things up...and it worked!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2020 team , undefeated on the season, multiple Brine All Americans , best player in the 2019-2020 age group, excellent coach. Say what you want but I believe this group can beat any 2019 team out there, I hear have asked the 19s to scrimmage and they want nothing to do with it.

You forgot to boast about being the biggest embarrassment to the club too!! No one wants anything to do with this age group buddy.

yeah right moron, and they can beat the 2017 team also. you my friend are an IDIOT... happy 4th..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2020 team , undefeated on the season, multiple Brine All Americans , best player in the 2019-2020 age group, excellent coach. Say what you want but I believe this group can beat any 2019 team out there, I hear have asked the 19s to scrimmage and they want nothing to do with it.

You forgot to boast about being the biggest embarrassment to the club too!! No one wants anything to do with this age group buddy.

yeah right moron, and they can beat the 2017 team also. you my friend are an IDIOT... happy 4th..

People wake up the original post was not written by a 20 black parent it was from the other club

I dont get why you are so upset, TG black 2020 is a special team, no they would not beat the top 2019 teams but would be in the mix.I overheard BS last week and he realizes what he has , he also knows he needs to trim the fat. Was speaking w one of our fathers who knows the YJ team very well in this age group and said not one kid from that team makes our black team. Say what you want but this team will show that even if you have a target on your back , if you are the best it does not matter. AS far as one kid being that much better than the others I do not even know who you are talking about as many kids 5-6 could be considered the best in the age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I dont get why you are so upset, TG black 2020 is a special team, no they would not beat the top 2019 teams but would be in the mix.I overheard BS last week and he realizes what he has , he also knows he needs to trim the fat. Was speaking w one of our fathers who knows the YJ team very well in this age group and said not one kid from that team makes our black team. Say what you want but this team will show that even if you have a target on your back , if you are the best it does not matter. AS far as one kid being that much better than the others I do not even know who you are talking about as many kids 5-6 could be considered the best in the age.

This is exactly why the parents of this team are getting the reputation they have. Things change from year to year. Stop believing your own hype. These are 11/12 year old girls. Things change as puberty arrives for all.

If BS really thinks he has something special, then he will be making changes. You may want to dream that all the girls on this team are the top 24 girls around. But they are not. No team has the top 24. Be realistic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I dont get why you are so upset, TG black 2020 is a special team, no they would not beat the top 2019 teams but would be in the mix.I overheard BS last week and he realizes what he has , he also knows he needs to trim the fat. Was speaking w one of our fathers who knows the YJ team very well in this age group and said not one kid from that team makes our black team. Say what you want but this team will show that even if you have a target on your back , if you are the best it does not matter. AS far as one kid being that much better than the others I do not even know who you are talking about as many kids 5-6 could be considered the best in the age.

BS would never have a conversation like that with one of the fathers. The above post is not from TG. It is another pot stirrer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I dont get why you are so upset, TG black 2020 is a special team, no they would not beat the top 2019 teams but would be in the mix.I overheard BS last week and he realizes what he has , he also knows he needs to trim the fat. Was speaking w one of our fathers who knows the YJ team very well in this age group and said not one kid from that team makes our black team. Say what you want but this team will show that even if you have a target on your back , if you are the best it does not matter. AS far as one kid being that much better than the others I do not even know who you are talking about as many kids 5-6 could be considered the best in the age.

BS would never have a conversation like that with one of the fathers. The above post is not from TG. It is another pot stirrer.

Keep trying to deflect. If you've been on the sidelines with these people, you'd know it was true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I dont get why you are so upset, TG black 2020 is a special team, no they would not beat the top 2019 teams but would be in the mix.I overheard BS last week and he realizes what he has , he also knows he needs to trim the fat. Was speaking w one of our fathers who knows the YJ team very well in this age group and said not one kid from that team makes our black team. Say what you want but this team will show that even if you have a target on your back , if you are the best it does not matter. AS far as one kid being that much better than the others I do not even know who you are talking about as many kids 5-6 could be considered the best in the age.

This is exactly why the parents of this team are getting the reputation they have. Things change from year to year. Stop believing your own hype. These are 11/12 year old girls. Things change as puberty arrives for all.

If BS really thinks he has something special, then he will be making changes. You may want to dream that all the girls on this team are the top 24 girls around. But they are not. No team has the top 24. Be realistic.

The post is probably not from one of the 2020 TG parents anyway. Doesn't sound like a Bill type conversation.

You are lacking about 2020's? Get a grip. You sound like a dope.

Here is a great idea, since both TG and YJ are going to a third, forth, fifth team in each age group, they should cut the roster size down about 5 or 6 girls. Give everyone more playing time, feel like your actually getting your money's worth. Right now roster sizes in a fair rotation has the girls playing 50%. Trim down to 18 and they would see 75%. I know they lose money per team but raise the cost and spread it out. I would pay more to play more. Right now roster sizes are a joke with both clubs. I go to Disney and universal and pay more for speed pass to get more time on the rides. These club directors are so greedy it is sad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is a great idea, since both TG and YJ are going to a third, forth, fifth team in each age group, they should cut the roster size down about 5 or 6 girls. Give everyone more playing time, feel like your actually getting your money's worth. Right now roster sizes in a fair rotation has the girls playing 50%. Trim down to 18 and they would see 75%. I know they lose money per team but raise the cost and spread it out. I would pay more to play more. Right now roster sizes are a joke with both clubs. I go to Disney and universal and pay more for speed pass to get more time on the rides. These club directors are so greedy it is sad.

yeah $300,000 profit not enough.

Bill Smith had a conversation with a parent??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bill Smith had a conversation with a parent??

Bill is everywhere, so unless you're one of the crazy parents, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to talk to him. He walks around at the games & practices all year, but I'm sure he ducks many of the parents (incl some on our team!), but it's not like he's never around. Some parents just never learn how to approach the directors (of any program), and when to keep their mouths shut! Those are the ones who are in trouble, when it comes to recruiting help, unless their kid's a complete standout.

he also knows he needs to trim the fat. Was speaking w one of our fathers who knows the YJ team very well in this age group and said not one kid from that team makes our black team.

trim the fat , he means get rid of some parents, not the girls.

and that is one mans opinion about not one YJ making TG team. and that is all it is. 1 idiots opinion. that is the most rediculous statement I ever heard.

From a YJ parent I finally agree with something BS says , he absolutely needs to trim the fat. Honestly love that guys daughter but to defend that guy is impossible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2020 team , undefeated on the season, multiple Brine All Americans , best player in the 2019-2020 age group, excellent coach. Say what you want but I believe this group can beat any 2019 team out there, I hear have asked the 19s to scrimmage and they want nothing to do with it.

Give it a rest, you have one player who never leaves the field and is easily your best player( as the kids get older usually these players get caught and passed by the pack), and the rest of the team rides on her to wins in close games.The second half of the team is below average at best. As far as beating 2019 teams no chance against any top teams , would be B level at best.Not one of your players except that kid would start on 2019 black.

Why does the amazing 2019 team keep playing in the B pool? Draw now Grind???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2020 team , undefeated on the season, multiple Brine All Americans , best player in the 2019-2020 age group, excellent coach. Say what you want but I believe this group can beat any 2019 team out there, I hear have asked the 19s to scrimmage and they want nothing to do with it.

Give it a rest, you have one player who never leaves the field and is easily your best player( as the kids get older usually these players get caught and passed by the pack), and the rest of the team rides on her to wins in close games.The second half of the team is below average at best. As far as beating 2019 teams no chance against any top teams , would be B level at best.Not one of your players except that kid would start on 2019 black.

Why does the amazing 2019 team keep playing in the B pool? Draw now Grind???

With all your great lacrosse knowledge to bad you still can't read a schedule.At the Grind there are two divisions in the age group Grit and Shred. Each division has 2 Pools A & B the winners of each play for a Championship. But no sense in explaining you know everything

"With all your great lacrosse knowledge to bad you still can't read a schedule.At the Grind there are two divisions in the age group Grit and Shred. Each division has 2 Pools A & B the winners of each play for a Championship. But no sense in explaining you know everything"

Typical TG , go back and look at the schedule your TG black team is in the grit division which is clearly the lesser division ie other teams B teams and has an A and B groupings with a total of 11 teams. The other 2019 division is the Shred division which has 16 total teams with A, B C D groupings and clearly has the more competitive teams in it. National Draw your TG black team again elected to play in a week pool. The facts don't lie, my guess your boy BS will now say it was a mistake and will switch purple and blacks placement to save face, sadly we all know he really wants them in the weaker division , gotta get that team a championship somehow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"With all your great lacrosse knowledge to bad you still can't read a schedule.At the Grind there are two divisions in the age group Grit and Shred. Each division has 2 Pools A & B the winners of each play for a Championship. But no sense in explaining you know everything"

Typical TG , go back and look at the schedule your TG black team is in the grit division which is clearly the lesser division ie other teams B teams and has an A and B groupings with a total of 11 teams. The other 2019 division is the Shred division which has 16 total teams with A, B C D groupings and clearly has the more competitive teams in it. National Draw your TG black team again elected to play in a week pool. The facts don't lie, my guess your boy BS will now say it was a mistake and will switch purple and blacks placement to save face, sadly we all know he really wants them in the weaker division , gotta get that team a championship somehow.

What age are you crying about? Win your bracket, meet them in the finals and beat them. If all roads lead to the finals how can anybody be crying, you sound pathetic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"With all your great lacrosse knowledge to bad you still can't read a schedule.At the Grind there are two divisions in the age group Grit and Shred. Each division has 2 Pools A & B the winners of each play for a Championship. But no sense in explaining you know everything"

Typical TG , go back and look at the schedule your TG black team is in the grit division which is clearly the lesser division ie other teams B teams and has an A and B groupings with a total of 11 teams. The other 2019 division is the Shred division which has 16 total teams with A, B C D groupings and clearly has the more competitive teams in it. National Draw your TG black team again elected to play in a week pool. The facts don't lie, my guess your boy BS will now say it was a mistake and will switch purple and blacks placement to save face, sadly we all know he really wants them in the weaker division , gotta get that team a championship somehow.

What age are you crying about? Win your bracket, meet them in the finals and beat them. If all roads lead to the finals how can anybody be crying, you sound pathetic.

Not crying donkey , just curious why your TG 2019 team avoids the better competition. But thanks for your useless input , all roads are not equal and the different divisions do not cross over so your TG black team can win the championship of the c level teams congrats.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not crying donkey , just curious why your TG 2019 team avoids the better competition. But thanks for your useless input , all roads are not equal and the different divisions do not cross over so your TG black team can win the championship of the c level teams congrats.

Can you present an argument without name calling? Can anyone on this board? I'm so sick of it. I realize it's not just you, but it's becoming the norm and it just seems to suck any validity out of what could be a valid argument.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"With all your great lacrosse knowledge to bad you still can't read a schedule.At the Grind there are two divisions in the age group Grit and Shred. Each division has 2 Pools A & B the winners of each play for a Championship. But no sense in explaining you know everything"

Typical TG , go back and look at the schedule your TG black team is in the grit division which is clearly the lesser division ie other teams B teams and has an A and B groupings with a total of 11 teams. The other 2019 division is the Shred division which has 16 total teams with A, B C D groupings and clearly has the more competitive teams in it. National Draw your TG black team again elected to play in a week pool. The facts don't lie, my guess your boy BS will now say it was a mistake and will switch purple and blacks placement to save face, sadly we all know he really wants them in the weaker division , gotta get that team a championship somehow.

What age are you crying about? Win your bracket, meet them in the finals and beat them. If all roads lead to the finals how can anybody be crying, you sound pathetic.

Not crying donkey , just curious why your TG 2019 team avoids the better competition. But thanks for your useless input , all roads are not equal and the different divisions do not cross over so your TG black team can win the championship of the c level teams congrats.

All the brackets are unbalanced, just the way the tournament is run, which is a little disappointing. Tournament organizers have become so disturbed at parent (and some coaches) behavior that championship formats will probably be a thing of the past in the very near future. PS - If you think there is a top group of teams please identify the bracket with the four top teams at the tourney...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]"With all your great lacrosse knowledge to bad you still can't read a schedule.At the Grind there are two divisions in the age group Grit and Shred. Each division has 2 Pools A & B the winners of each play for a Championship. But no sense in explaining you know everything"

Typical TG , go back and look at the schedule your TG black team is in the grit division which is clearly the lesser division ie other teams B teams and has an A and B groupings with a total of 11 teams. The other 2019 division is the Shred division which has 16 total teams with A, B C D groupings and clearly has the more competitive teams in it. National Draw your TG black team again elected to play in a week pool. The facts don't lie, my guess your boy BS will now say it was a mistake and will switch purple and blacks placement to save face, sadly we all know he really wants them in the weaker division , gotta get that team a championship somehow.

What age are you crying about? Win your bracket, meet them in the finals and beat them. If all roads lead to the finals how can anybody be crying, you sound pathetic.
Not crying donkey , just curious why your TG 2019 team avoids the better competition. But thanks for your useless input , all roads are not equal and the different divisions do not cross over so your TG black team can win the championship of the c level teams congrats.

Why are you so concerned with 19 black? Lets think about why you are so angry and consumed. Back in the summer of 2012 your daughter played for TG . When 2013 tryouts rolled around your daughter didn't make black. So you took her to YJ and she made one of the secondary teams. Be happy with the decision you made for your daughter and stop worrying about what you left.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not crying donkey , just curious why your TG 2019 team avoids the better competition. But thanks for your useless input , all roads are not equal and the different divisions do not cross over so your TG black team can win the championship of the c level teams congrats.

Can you present an argument without name calling? Can anyone on this board? I'm so sick of it. I realize it's not just you, but it's becoming the norm and it just seems to suck any validity out of what could be a valid argument.

name calling because you have people come on here and just make non sense up, go ahead powder look at the schedules for 2019 and give your honest opinion , you will not do it , the reason why is because?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not crying donkey , just curious why your TG 2019 team avoids the better competition. But thanks for your useless input , all roads are not equal and the different divisions do not cross over so your TG black team can win the championship of the c level teams congrats.

Can you present an argument without name calling? Can anyone on this board? I'm so sick of it. I realize it's not just you, but it's becoming the norm and it just seems to suck any validity out of what could be a valid argument.

name calling because you have people come on here and just make non sense up, go ahead powder look at the schedules for 2019 and give your honest opinion , you will not do it , the reason why is because?

Maybe we can replace name calling with some proper English. ".. the reason why is because?" What the heck does that mean????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not crying donkey , just curious why your TG 2019 team avoids the better competition. But thanks for your useless input , all roads are not equal and the different divisions do not cross over so your TG black team can win the championship of the c level teams congrats.

Can you present an argument without name calling? Can anyone on this board? I'm so sick of it. I realize it's not just you, but it's becoming the norm and it just seems to suck any validity out of what could be a valid argument.

name calling because you have people come on here and just make non sense up, go ahead powder look at the schedules for 2019 and give your honest opinion , you will not do it , the reason why is because?

The reason why is because I don't really care what's going on with a bunch of eighth graders.

Amen Powder!

"The reason why is because I don't really care what's going on with a bunch of eighth graders."

Then stay out of it you complete homer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not crying donkey , just curious why your TG 2019 team avoids the better competition. But thanks for your useless input , all roads are not equal and the different divisions do not cross over so your TG black team can win the championship of the c level teams congrats.

Can you present an argument without name calling? Can anyone on this board? I'm so sick of it. I realize it's not just you, but it's becoming the norm and it just seems to suck any validity out of what could be a valid argument.

name calling because you have people come on here and just make non sense up, go ahead powder look at the schedules for 2019 and give your honest opinion , you will not do it , the reason why is because?

Maybe we can replace name calling with some proper English. ".. the reason why is because?" What the heck does that mean????

. Do you feel smarter when correcting others? Even those with fair intelligence can ascertain the meaning of the post that you have criticized.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"The reason why is because I don't really care what's going on with a bunch of eighth graders."

Then stay out of it you complete homer.

And we have a winner, a person who can't even make an argument without name calling. Don't you know no one is ever going to take you seriously if you act like that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not crying donkey , just curious why your TG 2019 team avoids the better competition. But thanks for your useless input , all roads are not equal and the different divisions do not cross over so your TG black team can win the championship of the c level teams congrats.

Can you present an argument without name calling? Can anyone on this board? I'm so sick of it. I realize it's not just you, but it's becoming the norm and it just seems to suck any validity out of what could be a valid argument.

name calling because you have people come on here and just make non sense up, go ahead powder look at the schedules for 2019 and give your honest opinion , you will not do it , the reason why is because?

Maybe we can replace name calling with some proper English. ".. the reason why is because?" What the heck does that mean????

. Do you feel smarter when correcting others? Even those with fair intelligence can ascertain the meaning of the post that you have criticized.

Ascertain is a big word - congratulations on your fair intelligence.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"The reason why is because I don't really care what's going on with a bunch of eighth graders."

Then stay out of it you complete homer.

And we have a winner, a person who can't even make an argument without name calling. Don't you know no one is ever going to take you seriously if you act like that?

yes your response is so much better, good to know you do not care about many of the teams in your club, now that is a great example of the family feeling of a smaller club.

Many other teams have utmost respect for TG but wonder why the Black team plays other clubs second teams, which of course means they will win the division. The Grind is another example. Sure in the playoff you may win against that division, but shouldn't you wait till you get there? Pretty weak that you have to duck down a division. Doesn't do your players any good to beat up on teams just to win a championship you're going to win anyway. At least make it a competitive road to the title. Purple against other teams A teams (sacrificial lambs anyone) and Black against other clubs B teams. Not a way to get respect from other clubs though you will get that medal which I guess is the most important thing for you LI players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"The reason why is because I don't really care what's going on with a bunch of eighth graders."

Then stay out of it you complete homer.

And we have a winner, a person who can't even make an argument without name calling. Don't you know no one is ever going to take you seriously if you act like that?

yes your response is so much better, good to know you do not care about many of the teams in your club, now that is a great example of the family feeling of a smaller club.

As contrasted to you caring about a club that isn't your own. Why do you care so much? Is this the only validation in your life? Can you just let your kids play or is it only worth something to you if you can put something else down?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many other teams have utmost respect for TG but wonder why the Black team plays other clubs second teams, which of course means they will win the division. The Grind is another example. Sure in the playoff you may win against that division, but shouldn't you wait till you get there? Pretty weak that you have to duck down a division. Doesn't do your players any good to beat up on teams just to win a championship you're going to win anyway. At least make it a competitive road to the title. Purple against other teams A teams (sacrificial lambs anyone) and Black against other clubs B teams. Not a way to get respect from other clubs though you will get that medal which I guess is the most important thing for you LI players.

Still waiting to hear who the teams at the grind are that are clearly being avoided? Have fun beating up town teams in babylon!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many other teams have utmost respect for TG but wonder why the Black team plays other clubs second teams, which of course means they will win the division. The Grind is another example. Sure in the playoff you may win against that division, but shouldn't you wait till you get there? Pretty weak that you have to duck down a division. Doesn't do your players any good to beat up on teams just to win a championship you're going to win anyway. At least make it a competitive road to the title. Purple against other teams A teams (sacrificial lambs anyone) and Black against other clubs B teams. Not a way to get respect from other clubs though you will get that medal which I guess is the most important thing for you LI players.

Still waiting to hear who the teams at the grind are that are clearly being avoided? Have fun beating up town teams in babylon!

Watch out a couple of the town teams are pretty good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many other teams have utmost respect for TG but wonder why the Black team plays other clubs second teams, which of course means they will win the division. The Grind is another example. Sure in the playoff you may win against that division, but shouldn't you wait till you get there? Pretty weak that you have to duck down a division. Doesn't do your players any good to beat up on teams just to win a championship you're going to win anyway. At least make it a competitive road to the title. Purple against other teams A teams (sacrificial lambs anyone) and Black against other clubs B teams. Not a way to get respect from other clubs though you will get that medal which I guess is the most important thing for you LI players.

Actually I dont even think they cross out of their grouping so will not see better teams such as Heroes who they have lost to before

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many other teams have utmost respect for TG but wonder why the Black team plays other clubs second teams, which of course means they will win the division. The Grind is another example. Sure in the playoff you may win against that division, but shouldn't you wait till you get there? Pretty weak that you have to duck down a division. Doesn't do your players any good to beat up on teams just to win a championship you're going to win anyway. At least make it a competitive road to the title. Purple against other teams A teams (sacrificial lambs anyone) and Black against other clubs B teams. Not a way to get respect from other clubs though you will get that medal which I guess is the most important thing for you LI players.

Still waiting to hear who the teams at the grind are that are clearly being avoided? Have fun beating up town teams in babylon!

Your black team is in a division with other clubs B teams, look for yourself the grouping with Heroes who you have lost too has all the other clubs top teams not that hard to figure out.Keep putting down YJ for supporting another long island club by supporting their tournament . Honestly the division your TG team is playing in is worse than the blast.

TG doesn't always need YJ to be in a tourny and it's not like YJ doesn't get enough exposure elsewhere. I just question why if TG is so "hot" (which by the way - they are) you play teams much less experienced than you in tournaments, using the upcoming Grind as an example. What the heck is TG Black doing playing all second teams. R u playing for the love of the game or for the medal? (which you'll probably win regardless). Just seems like a waste of time to go all the way to PA to play 4 meaningless games against weaker opponents. If your U15 just won a national championship (BTW congrats!) can you explain why your 2017 Black is playing against so called Junior Varsity teams rather than the other clubs' Varsitys?? Ultimately you'll win the bracket age group championship but wouldn't it be better to actually earn it? Perhaps the organizers of the Grind can just mail you the medals and save you all the trip and expense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many other teams have utmost respect for TG but wonder why the Black team plays other clubs second teams, which of course means they will win the division. The Grind is another example. Sure in the playoff you may win against that division, but shouldn't you wait till you get there? Pretty weak that you have to duck down a division. Doesn't do your players any good to beat up on teams just to win a championship you're going to win anyway. At least make it a competitive road to the title. Purple against other teams A teams (sacrificial lambs anyone) and Black against other clubs B teams. Not a way to get respect from other clubs though you will get that medal which I guess is the most important thing for you LI players.

Still waiting to hear who the teams at the grind are that are clearly being avoided? Have fun beating up town teams in babylon!

Looking forward to it. A tournament with no hotel cost, sleep in your own bed, and have Friday and Sunday open for beach and BBQ, instead of another tourney in another state. If TG and Elevate would stay home and support another LI club, we could have fun playing each other.

UPDATE: I stand corrected. Just checked the Grind schedule and at least for the 2017, Black and Purple have been switched and are now in their proper divisions - cannot speak for other age groups. No question that playing up (for TG opponents) is always good for experience but destroying a team by 20 or so doesn't benefit either team. Weird that TG had to be harassed to make the switch but kudos to the management for doing so (unless it was the Grind organizers who figured it out). BTW: YJ and TG remind me of the Middle East conflict. Why don't you appreciate the fact that you have excellent programs and players in both organizations and call a truce. We in other states envy you and only wish we could be so lucky.

What a classy and well stated reply. More NY parents like you and we'd actually look forward to playing you. We need to keep it in perspective - it's a game and parents have made it an all costs blood bath. Shame on them. Enjoy your beach and BBQ. Your team works hard enough the rest of the season to warrant it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UPDATE: I stand corrected. Just checked the Grind schedule and at least for the 2017, Black and Purple have been switched and are now in their proper divisions - cannot speak for other age groups. No question that playing up (for TG opponents) is always good for experience but destroying a team by 20 or so doesn't benefit either team. Weird that TG had to be harassed to make the switch but kudos to the management for doing so (unless it was the Grind organizers who figured it out). BTW: YJ and TG remind me of the Middle East conflict. Why don't you appreciate the fact that you have excellent programs and players in both organizations and call a truce. We in other states envy you and only wish we could be so lucky.

Did it ever occur to you that Purple may be better than Black?? How about we leave those in charge to decide where the teams are placed? To the TG whiner parent complaining and writing anonymous letters to BS-leave!! You are constantly complaining in school to the coaches, complain to Brine and feel the need to make comments to summer coaches-enough! Take your daughter to another organization already! And you wonder why you stand alone on the sidelines in school! Maybe YOU should MAN UP and leave the Smiths to do what we pay them for! The rest of us are happy and our daughters have great field chemistry so they must be doing something right!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UPDATE: I stand corrected. Just checked the Grind schedule and at least for the 2017, Black and Purple have been switched and are now in their proper divisions - cannot speak for other age groups. No question that playing up (for TG opponents) is always good for experience but destroying a team by 20 or so doesn't benefit either team. Weird that TG had to be harassed to make the switch but kudos to the management for doing so (unless it was the Grind organizers who figured it out). BTW: YJ and TG remind me of the Middle East conflict. Why don't you appreciate the fact that you have excellent programs and players in both organizations and call a truce. We in other states envy you and only wish we could be so lucky.

Did it ever occur to you that Purple may be better than Black?? How about we leave those in charge to decide where the teams are placed? To the TG whiner parent complaining and writing anonymous letters to BS-leave!! You are constantly complaining in school to the coaches, complain to Brine and feel the need to make comments to summer coaches-enough! Take your daughter to another organization already! And you wonder why you stand alone on the sidelines in school! Maybe YOU should MAN UP and leave the Smiths to do what we pay them for! The rest of us are happy and our daughters have great field chemistry so they must be doing something right!

Ouch

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UPDATE: I stand corrected. Just checked the Grind schedule and at least for the 2017, Black and Purple have been switched and are now in their proper divisions - cannot speak for other age groups. No question that playing up (for TG opponents) is always good for experience but destroying a team by 20 or so doesn't benefit either team. Weird that TG had to be harassed to make the switch but kudos to the management for doing so (unless it was the Grind organizers who figured it out). BTW: YJ and TG remind me of the Middle East conflict. Why don't you appreciate the fact that you have excellent programs and players in both organizations and call a truce. We in other states envy you and only wish we could be so lucky.

Did it ever occur to you that Purple may be better than Black?? How about we leave those in charge to decide where the teams are placed? To the TG whiner parent complaining and writing anonymous letters to BS-leave!! You are constantly complaining in school to the coaches, complain to Brine and feel the need to make comments to summer coaches-enough! Take your daughter to another organization already! And you wonder why you stand alone on the sidelines in school! Maybe YOU should MAN UP and leave the Smiths to do what we pay them for! The rest of us are happy and our daughters have great field chemistry so they must be doing something right!

Do you know who it was? Any clues, initials, or school district?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UPDATE: I stand corrected. Just checked the Grind schedule and at least for the 2017, Black and Purple have been switched and are now in their proper divisions - cannot speak for other age groups. No question that playing up (for TG opponents) is always good for experience but destroying a team by 20 or so doesn't benefit either team. Weird that TG had to be harassed to make the switch but kudos to the management for doing so (unless it was the Grind organizers who figured it out). BTW: YJ and TG remind me of the Middle East conflict. Why don't you appreciate the fact that you have excellent programs and players in both organizations and call a truce. We in other states envy you and only wish we could be so lucky.

Did it ever occur to you that Purple may be better than Black?? How about we leave those in charge to decide where the teams are placed? To the TG whiner parent complaining and writing anonymous letters to BS-leave!! You are constantly complaining in school to the coaches, complain to Brine and feel the need to make comments to summer coaches-enough! Take your daughter to another organization already! And you wonder why you stand alone on the sidelines in school! Maybe YOU should MAN UP and leave the Smiths to do what we pay them for! The rest of us are happy and our daughters have great field chemistry so they must be doing something right!

Yes we ARE happy, and the team is doing well, so if you're not happy, please go - as BS said - there are plenty of other programs out there! I wonder who sent that dumb letter!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many other teams have utmost respect for TG but wonder why the Black team plays other clubs second teams, which of course means they will win the division. The Grind is another example. Sure in the playoff you may win against that division, but shouldn't you wait till you get there? Pretty weak that you have to duck down a division. Doesn't do your players any good to beat up on teams just to win a championship you're going to win anyway. At least make it a competitive road to the title. Purple against other teams A teams (sacrificial lambs anyone) and Black against other clubs B teams. Not a way to get respect from other clubs though you will get that medal which I guess is the most important thing for you LI players.

This sounds like the person who sent the anonymous letter, and if so, what a sad existence...to be following TG 2017 teams so closely, from another state! Don't you have anything better to do???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"With all your great lacrosse knowledge to bad you still can't read a schedule.At the Grind there are two divisions in the age group Grit and Shred. Each division has 2 Pools A & B the winners of each play for a Championship. But no sense in explaining you know everything"

Typical TG , go back and look at the schedule your TG black team is in the grit division which is clearly the lesser division ie other teams B teams and has an A and B groupings with a total of 11 teams. The other 2019 division is the Shred division which has 16 total teams with A, B C D groupings and clearly has the more competitive teams in it. National Draw your TG black team again elected to play in a week pool. The facts don't lie, my guess your boy BS will now say it was a mistake and will switch purple and blacks placement to save face, sadly we all know he really wants them in the weaker division , gotta get that team a championship somehow.

Have to say nailed that prediction. Now for a few more.
1) BS will limit the involvement of a F&F coach because of complaints from a few of the anointed ones
2) There wil be a bunch more recruiting retention trips to 11-12 year olds houses by TG management in a desperation move
3) Hofstra womens lacrosse will continue to struggle and the AD will soon realize there may be a recruiting problem when essentially the deepest pool of talent on the island wants little to due with the school in part because of the coaches ties to TG.
4) TG parents will continue to blame all their ills on CR conspiracy theories

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"With all your great lacrosse knowledge to bad you still can't read a schedule.At the Grind there are two divisions in the age group Grit and Shred. Each division has 2 Pools A & B the winners of each play for a Championship. But no sense in explaining you know everything"

Typical TG , go back and look at the schedule your TG black team is in the grit division which is clearly the lesser division ie other teams B teams and has an A and B groupings with a total of 11 teams. The other 2019 division is the Shred division which has 16 total teams with A, B C D groupings and clearly has the more competitive teams in it. National Draw your TG black team again elected to play in a week pool. The facts don't lie, my guess your boy BS will now say it was a mistake and will switch purple and blacks placement to save face, sadly we all know he really wants them in the weaker division , gotta get that team a championship somehow.

Have to say nailed that prediction. Now for a few more.
1) BS will limit the involvement of a F&F coach because of complaints from a few of the anointed ones
2) There wil be a bunch more recruiting retention trips to 11-12 year olds houses by TG management in a desperation move
3) Hofstra womens lacrosse will continue to struggle and the AD will soon realize there may be a recruiting problem when essentially the deepest pool of talent on the island wants little to due with the school in part because of the coaches ties to TG.
4) TG parents will continue to blame all their ills on CR conspiracy theories

You didn't nail anything, and you actually don't know what you're talking about! Sorry your daughter didn't make Black, but go back to YJ land, and annoy them some more...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]"With all your great lacrosse knowledge to bad you still can't read a schedule.At the Grind there are two divisions in the age group Grit and Shred. Each division has 2 Pools A & B the winners of each play for a Championship. But no sense in explaining you know everything"

Typical TG , go back and look at the schedule your TG black team is in the grit division which is clearly the lesser division ie other teams B teams and has an A and B groupings with a total of 11 teams. The other 2019 division is the Shred division which has 16 total teams with A, B C D groupings and clearly has the more competitive teams in it. National Draw your TG black team again elected to play in a week pool. The facts don't lie, my guess your boy BS will now say it was a mistake and will switch purple and blacks placement to save face, sadly we all know he really wants them in the weaker division , gotta get that team a championship somehow.

What age are you crying about? Win your bracket, meet them in the finals and beat them. If all roads lead to the finals how can anybody be crying, you sound pathetic.
Not crying donkey , just curious why your TG 2019 team avoids the better competition. But thanks for your useless input , all roads are not equal and the different divisions do not cross over so your TG black team can win the championship of the c level teams congrats.

Why are you so concerned with 19 black? Lets think about why you are so angry and consumed. Back in the summer of 2012 your daughter played for TG . When 2013 tryouts rolled around your daughter didn't make black. So you took her to YJ and she made one of the secondary teams. Be happy with the decision you made for your daughter and stop worrying about what you left.

Ouch

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]"With all your great lacrosse knowledge to bad you still can't read a schedule.At the Grind there are two divisions in the age group Grit and Shred. Each division has 2 Pools A & B the winners of each play for a Championship. But no sense in explaining you know everything"

Typical TG , go back and look at the schedule your TG black team is in the grit division which is clearly the lesser division ie other teams B teams and has an A and B groupings with a total of 11 teams. The other 2019 division is the Shred division which has 16 total teams with A, B C D groupings and clearly has the more competitive teams in it. National Draw your TG black team again elected to play in a week pool. The facts don't lie, my guess your boy BS will now say it was a mistake and will switch purple and blacks placement to save face, sadly we all know he really wants them in the weaker division , gotta get that team a championship somehow.

Have to say nailed that prediction. Now for a few more.
1) BS will limit the involvement of a F&F coach because of complaints from a few of the anointed ones
2) There wil be a bunch more recruiting retention trips to 11-12 year olds houses by TG management in a desperation move
3) Hofstra womens lacrosse will continue to struggle and the AD will soon realize there may be a recruiting problem when essentially the deepest pool of talent on the island wants little to due with the school in part because of the coaches ties to TG.
4) TG parents will continue to blame all their ills on CR conspiracy theories

You sound like a moron. Why don't you stop with your posts and start spending time with your kids. Get YJ shirt and hat out for the Babylon blast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"With all your great lacrosse knowledge to bad you still can't read a schedule.At the Grind there are two divisions in the age group Grit and Shred. Each division has 2 Pools A & B the winners of each play for a Championship. But no sense in explaining you know everything"

Typical TG , go back and look at the schedule your TG black team is in the grit division which is clearly the lesser division ie other teams B teams and has an A and B groupings with a total of 11 teams. The other 2019 division is the Shred division which has 16 total teams with A, B C D groupings and clearly has the more competitive teams in it. National Draw your TG black team again elected to play in a week pool. The facts don't lie, my guess your boy BS will now say it was a mistake and will switch purple and blacks placement to save face, sadly we all know he really wants them in the weaker division , gotta get that team a championship somehow.

Have to say nailed that prediction. Now for a few more.
1) BS will limit the involvement of a F&F coach because of complaints from a few of the anointed ones
2) There wil be a bunch more recruiting retention trips to 11-12 year olds houses by TG management in a desperation move
3) Hofstra womens lacrosse will continue to struggle and the AD will soon realize there may be a recruiting problem when essentially the deepest pool of talent on the island wants little to due with the school in part because of the coaches ties to TG.
4) TG parents will continue to blame all their ills on CR conspiracy theories

You didn't nail anything, and you actually don't know what you're talking about! Sorry your daughter didn't make Black, but go back to YJ land, and annoy them some more...

Great retort ,maybe next time something w some actual facts like BS changing purple and black schedules to save face. Now go back to your TG black team of parents who knew their kid would never make YJ top team. My guess is your kid is not one BS would make the home visit to keep out of desperation. Now go wake your coach up off the bench and visit your kids future school in Hempstead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"With all your great lacrosse knowledge to bad you still can't read a schedule.At the Grind there are two divisions in the age group Grit and Shred. Each division has 2 Pools A & B the winners of each play for a Championship. But no sense in explaining you know everything"

Typical TG , go back and look at the schedule your TG black team is in the grit division which is clearly the lesser division ie other teams B teams and has an A and B groupings with a total of 11 teams. The other 2019 division is the Shred division which has 16 total teams with A, B C D groupings and clearly has the more competitive teams in it. National Draw your TG black team again elected to play in a week pool. The facts don't lie, my guess your boy BS will now say it was a mistake and will switch purple and blacks placement to save face, sadly we all know he really wants them in the weaker division , gotta get that team a championship somehow.

Have to say nailed that prediction. Now for a few more.
1) BS will limit the involvement of a F&F coach because of complaints from a few of the anointed ones
2) There wil be a bunch more recruiting retention trips to 11-12 year olds houses by TG management in a desperation move
3) Hofstra womens lacrosse will continue to struggle and the AD will soon realize there may be a recruiting problem when essentially the deepest pool of talent on the island wants little to due with the school in part because of the coaches ties to TG.
4) TG parents will continue to blame all their ills on CR conspiracy theories

You didn't nail anything, and you actually don't know what you're talking about! Sorry your daughter didn't make Black, but go back to YJ land, and annoy them some more...

Great retort ,maybe next time something w some actual facts like BS changing purple and black schedules to save face. Now go back to your TG black team of parents who knew their kid would never make YJ top team. My guess is your kid is not one BS would make the home visit to keep out of desperation. Now go wake your coach up off the bench and visit your kids future school in Hempstead.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about, when it comes to the schedule changes, and how they took place, or when it comes to my daughter. I feel bad for your daughter...get a life, and worry about your own program, which I'm sure has its share of problems, like all the rest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]"With all your great lacrosse knowledge to bad you still can't read a schedule.At the Grind there are two divisions in the age group Grit and Shred. Each division has 2 Pools A & B the winners of each play for a Championship. But no sense in explaining you know everything"

Typical TG , go back and look at the schedule your TG black team is in the grit division which is clearly the lesser division ie other teams B teams and has an A and B groupings with a total of 11 teams. The other 2019 division is the Shred division which has 16 total teams with A, B C D groupings and clearly has the more competitive teams in it. National Draw your TG black team again elected to play in a week pool. The facts don't lie, my guess your boy BS will now say it was a mistake and will switch purple and blacks placement to save face, sadly we all know he really wants them in the weaker division , gotta get that team a championship somehow.

Have to say nailed that prediction. Now for a few more.
1) BS will limit the involvement of a F&F coach because of complaints from a few of the anointed ones
2) There wil be a bunch more recruiting retention trips to 11-12 year olds houses by TG management in a desperation move
3) Hofstra womens lacrosse will continue to struggle and the AD will soon realize there may be a recruiting problem when essentially the deepest pool of talent on the island wants little to due with the school in part because of the coaches ties to TG.
4) TG parents will continue to blame all their ills on CR conspiracy theories

You sound like a moron. Why don't you stop with your posts and start spending time with your kids. Get YJ shirt and hat out for the Babylon blast.

He is a moron! He's consumed with the program that rejected him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"With all your great lacrosse knowledge to bad you still can't read a schedule.At the Grind there are two divisions in the age group Grit and Shred. Each division has 2 Pools A & B the winners of each play for a Championship. But no sense in explaining you know everything"

Typical TG , go back and look at the schedule your TG black team is in the grit division which is clearly the lesser division ie other teams B teams and has an A and B groupings with a total of 11 teams. The other 2019 division is the Shred division which has 16 total teams with A, B C D groupings and clearly has the more competitive teams in it. National Draw your TG black team again elected to play in a week pool. The facts don't lie, my guess your boy BS will now say it was a mistake and will switch purple and blacks placement to save face, sadly we all know he really wants them in the weaker division , gotta get that team a championship somehow.

Have to say nailed that prediction. Now for a few more.
1) BS will limit the involvement of a F&F coach because of complaints from a few of the anointed ones
2) There wil be a bunch more recruiting retention trips to 11-12 year olds houses by TG management in a desperation move
3) Hofstra womens lacrosse will continue to struggle and the AD will soon realize there may be a recruiting problem when essentially the deepest pool of talent on the island wants little to due with the school in part because of the coaches ties to TG.
4) TG parents will continue to blame all their ills on CR conspiracy theories

You didn't nail anything, and you actually don't know what you're talking about! Sorry your daughter didn't make Black, but go back to YJ land, and annoy them some more...

Great retort ,maybe next time something w some actual facts like BS changing purple and black schedules to save face. Now go back to your TG black team of parents who knew their kid would never make YJ top team. My guess is your kid is not one BS would make the home visit to keep out of desperation. Now go wake your coach up off the bench and visit your kids future school in Hempstead.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about, when it comes to the schedule changes, and how they took place, or when it comes to my daughter. I feel bad for your daughter...get a life, and worry about your own program, which I'm sure has its share of problems, like all the rest.

Don't entertain the YJ trash that belittled your daughter. Her two girls need her fat [lacrosse] to hype them all over to get them the attention they don't deserve but get anyway. Ignore the comments and move on. Like MC is any better than Hempstead anyway huh Fatty O.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"With all your great lacrosse knowledge to bad you still can't read a schedule.At the Grind there are two divisions in the age group Grit and Shred. Each division has 2 Pools A & B the winners of each play for a Championship. But no sense in explaining you know everything"

Typical TG , go back and look at the schedule your TG black team is in the grit division which is clearly the lesser division ie other teams B teams and has an A and B groupings with a total of 11 teams. The other 2019 division is the Shred division which has 16 total teams with A, B C D groupings and clearly has the more competitive teams in it. National Draw your TG black team again elected to play in a week pool. The facts don't lie, my guess your boy BS will now say it was a mistake and will switch purple and blacks placement to save face, sadly we all know he really wants them in the weaker division , gotta get that team a championship somehow.

Have to say nailed that prediction. Now for a few more.
1) BS will limit the involvement of a F&F coach because of complaints from a few of the anointed ones
2) There wil be a bunch more recruiting retention trips to 11-12 year olds houses by TG management in a desperation move
3) Hofstra womens lacrosse will continue to struggle and the AD will soon realize there may be a recruiting problem when essentially the deepest pool of talent on the island wants little to due with the school in part because of the coaches ties to TG.
4) TG parents will continue to blame all their ills on CR conspiracy theories

You didn't nail anything, and you actually don't know what you're talking about! Sorry your daughter didn't make Black, but go back to YJ land, and annoy them some more...

Great retort ,maybe next time something w some actual facts like BS changing purple and black schedules to save face. Now go back to your TG black team of parents who knew their kid would never make YJ top team. My guess is your kid is not one BS would make the home visit to keep out of desperation. Now go wake your coach up off the bench and visit your kids future school in Hempstead.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about, when it comes to the schedule changes, and how they took place, or when it comes to my daughter. I feel bad for your daughter...get a life, and worry about your own program, which I'm sure has its share of problems, like all the rest.

Don't entertain the YJ trash that belittled your daughter. Her two girls need her fat [lacrosse] to hype them all over to get them the attention they don't deserve but get anyway. Ignore the comments and move on. Like MC is any better than Hempstead anyway huh Fatty O.

You're right, thanks for reminding me to ignore and move on!

How did 2015 Black do against Phantastix Purple?

Somebody in the YJ forum just posted the results of YJ at the rise this weekend where they went 13-15 as a program. Let's not stoop down to their behavior on here or we may start playing down to their level on the field. Neither of which would be good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody in the YJ forum just posted the results of YJ at the rise this weekend where they went 13-15 as a program. Let's not stoop down to their behavior on here or we may start playing down to their level on the field. Neither of which would be good.

Why was Shannon Smith and her assistant at The Rise in Massachusetts recruiting for Hofstra when she sent her TG teams to the Grind?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody in the YJ forum just posted the results of YJ at the rise this weekend where they went 13-15 as a program. Let's not stoop down to their behavior on here or we may start playing down to their level on the field. Neither of which would be good.

Why was Shannon Smith and her assistant at The Rise in Massachusetts recruiting for Hofstra when she sent her TG teams to the Grind?

That's obvious, she wanted to see kids who actually have skill.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody in the YJ forum just posted the results of YJ at the rise this weekend where they went 13-15 as a program. Let's not stoop down to their behavior on here or we may start playing down to their level on the field. Neither of which would be good.

Why was Shannon Smith and her assistant at The Rise in Massachusetts recruiting for Hofstra when she sent her TG teams to the Grind?

She is required by NCAA to attend tournaments as a college coach recruiting or as a club director/coach. Can't do both . She must still be looking at 2015 or 2016 kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody in the YJ forum just posted the results of YJ at the rise this weekend where they went 13-15 as a program. Let's not stoop down to their behavior on here or we may start playing down to their level on the field. Neither of which would be good.

Why was Shannon Smith and her assistant at The Rise in Massachusetts recruiting for Hofstra when she sent her TG teams to the Grind?

She was at our game at the Grind on Saturday

Just looking for the score of the game because the 2015 Phantastix was the BEST team I saw this summer. Sorry YJ and TG just the score thats all, no excuses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody in the YJ forum just posted the results of YJ at the rise this weekend where they went 13-15 as a program. Let's not stoop down to their behavior on here or we may start playing down to their level on the field. Neither of which would be good.

Why was Shannon Smith and her assistant at The Rise in Massachusetts recruiting for Hofstra when she sent her TG teams to the Grind?

She was at our game at the Grind on Saturday

Yes she went to both tournaments.

the top players were at UA tournament at Towson this weekend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just looking for the score of the game because the 2015 Phantastix was the BEST team I saw this summer. Sorry YJ and TG just the score thats all, no excuses.

2015 black here, yes they were very good 9 to 6 final. Two very good teams, Phantastix had two very tall girls for the draw. They controlled the draws. Hats off to them.

Way to Go 2016 TG Black... beat 91 allstars in Finals by a touchdown and a field goal.

2016 Black vs 91 allstars wasn't fair. 91 allstars not in TG class. Top A vs Good B

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Way to Go 2016 TG Black... beat 91 allstars in Finals by a touchdown and a field goal.

Stop...Lets not stoop to the other club's level.. be happy we won and act classy.

btw if you are a 2016 black parent, you should have been at the Bikes for Kids charity last night not trolling BOTC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just looking for the score of the game because the 2015 Phantastix was the BEST team I saw this summer. Sorry YJ and TG just the score thats all, no excuses.

Guess they weren't when M&D beat them 10-5 at Champions Cup

[quote=Anonymous]2016 Black vs 91 allstars wasn't fair. 91 allstars not in TG class. Top A vs Good B [/quote

Top A , no chance, middle A behind MD, YJ, Steps, Heroes.
Good B is about right.

M&D who? McDonalds has a team now and is Ronald the coach or director? Just wondering who MD is and where they are from never heard of them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D who? McDonalds has a team now and is Ronald the coach or director? Just wondering who MD is and where they are from never heard of them.

must be a joke

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D who? McDonalds has a team now and is Ronald the coach or director? Just wondering who MD is and where they are from never heard of them.

Your daughter must be very young. M&D is a very good and well known Maryland club.

That's funny didn't 2016 black beat heroes and yj in the same tournament this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's funny didn't 2016 black beat heroes and yj in the same tournament this year

Yes same tournament TG lost to MD United at with mixed teams in a showcase format before the actual end to the school year. I also believe TG beat a YJ team at a 5 on 5 tournament a few years ago.Are there any TG kids who actually played for a high school team that made the state tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's funny didn't 2016 black beat heroes and yj in the same tournament this year

Yes same tournament TG lost to MD United at with mixed teams in a showcase format before the actual end to the school year. I also believe TG beat a YJ team at a 5 on 5 tournament a few years ago.Are there any TG kids who actually played for a high school team that made the state tournament.

Right Schools only make State Tournaments because they have YJ Players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's funny didn't 2016 black beat heroes and yj in the same tournament this year

Yes same tournament TG lost to MD United at with mixed teams in a showcase format before the actual end to the school year. I also believe TG beat a YJ team at a 5 on 5 tournament a few years ago.Are there any TG kids who actually played for a high school team that made the state tournament.

West Islip had 10 starters that played for TG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D who? McDonalds has a team now and is Ronald the coach or director? Just wondering who MD is and where they are from never heard of them.

Your daughter must be very young. M&D is a very good and well known Maryland club.

Top to bottom they are the very best club in the nation. As a LI parent it is hard to hand that title out, but there is no doubt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's funny didn't 2016 black beat heroes and yj in the same tournament this year

Yes same tournament TG lost to MD United at with mixed teams in a showcase format before the actual end to the school year. I also believe TG beat a YJ team at a 5 on 5 tournament a few years ago.Are there any TG kids who actually played for a high school team that made the state tournament.

West Islip had 10 starters that played for TG

How many of those starters will be back in 2015 ?

Not enough but with Happauge, East Islip and West Babylon playing in the B Division maybe just enough. Do you know how many Top Guns or Yellow Jackets won any of the State Titles in 2014? Let me tell you the correct answer is ZERO. Thats right Zero the only Top Guns and Yellow Jackets who played for the Championship happen to play at West Islip and Manhasset and Cold Spring are either Liberty or Elevate. I have a few extra rooms for some Top Guns & Yellow Jackets so they could all play high school together and compete for a title.

At Adelphi Camp two days and have not seen the Head Coach, Whats up with that?

No idea about Manhasset or West Islip, but CSH has plenty of YJ starters, including their returning senior All-American. Where do you get your bad info?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not enough but with Happauge, East Islip and West Babylon playing in the B Division maybe just enough. Do you know how many Top Guns or Yellow Jackets won any of the State Titles in 2014? Let me tell you the correct answer is ZERO. Thats right Zero the only Top Guns and Yellow Jackets who played for the Championship happen to play at West Islip and Manhasset and Cold Spring are either Liberty or Elevate. I have a few extra rooms for some Top Guns & Yellow Jackets so they could all play high school together and compete for a title.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No idea about Manhasset or West Islip, but CSH has plenty of YJ starters, including their returning senior All-American. Where do you get your bad info?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not enough but with Happauge, East Islip and West Babylon playing in the B Division maybe just enough. Do you know how many Top Guns or Yellow Jackets won any of the State Titles in 2014? Let me tell you the correct answer is ZERO. Thats right Zero the only Top Guns and Yellow Jackets who played for the Championship happen to play at West Islip and Manhasset and Cold Spring are either Liberty or Elevate. I have a few extra rooms for some Top Guns & Yellow Jackets so they could all play high school together and compete for a title.

Hey Mr. Zero, did you read this post "West Islip had 10 starters that played for TG"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No idea about Manhasset or West Islip, but CSH has plenty of YJ starters, including their returning senior All-American. Where do you get your bad info?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not enough but with Happauge, East Islip and West Babylon playing in the B Division maybe just enough. Do you know how many Top Guns or Yellow Jackets won any of the State Titles in 2014? Let me tell you the correct answer is ZERO. Thats right Zero the only Top Guns and Yellow Jackets who played for the Championship happen to play at West Islip and Manhasset and Cold Spring are either Liberty or Elevate. I have a few extra rooms for some Top Guns & Yellow Jackets so they could all play high school together and compete for a title.

Hey Mr. Zero, did you read this post "West Islip had 10 starters that played for TG"

And the other two are yj

From Mr. Zero the amount of Top Guns and Yellow Jackets that Won I will say it again WON the 2014 STATE TITLE is still ZERO. Sorry pal but I didn't think the Gold Coast would send their kids to play in a program that wasn't on the Gold Coast you know what they say when you assume so my apologizes to the Yellow Jackets on CSH.

I would say that the M&D moms are the hottest on the summer travel circuit and the Syosset moms are the hottest on the High School circuit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would say that the M&D moms are the hottest on the summer travel circuit and the Syosset moms are the hottest on the High School circuit.

and I wonder if anyone would say that you're hot...

Your damn right they would but not as hot as M&D or the Syosset Moms!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your damn right they would but not as hot as M&D or the Syosset Moms!

So we have the hotties and the Zero

The Heros moms are not far behind the M&D moms. And it looks like Heros will be at Hofstra next weekend. What do the Integrity moms look like? That's another Maryland club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Heros moms are not far behind the M&D moms. And it looks like Heros will be at Hofstra next weekend. What do the Integrity moms look like? That's another Maryland club.

Can't compare any of the rest to M&D. Many are from the McDonough School, they spend more money on their kids educations than most of us make in a lifetime. They can afford to spend all day at the gym and hot yoga, nip, tuck, lift and so on. Different breed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Heros moms are not far behind the M&D moms. And it looks like Heros will be at Hofstra next weekend. What do the Integrity moms look like? That's another Maryland club.

What teams/college recruiters will be attending Hofstra/Top Guns Tournament?

From Mr Zero hopefully more than last year, wasn't a lot of college recruiters but it was the end of the season and the first tournament. It was well run though and extremely hot, the weather.

So my son tried out for a 2020 team this year, he made the "A" team and is a good (not great) player. We paid our tuition and have up until recently been happy. That was of course until the team added 2 new players with two tournaments to go. I just think that is wrong. I mean what does that say to the kids who made the team when a kid shows up who didn't try out and starts taking playing time away from those that did.

Any predictions for U15?
I'm thinking TG's have very little chance, weak 17's. Trying to patch up with 18's will not work. Probably the 2 weakest age groups for black teams in the program. We will see if I am wrong, but I don't think so.

It appears to be a Yellow jacket year... No Maryland teams... I guess there could always be a surprise California team rise up and take it..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So my son tried out for a 2020 team this year, he made the "A" team and is a good (not great) player. We paid our tuition and have up until recently been happy. That was of course until the team added 2 new players with two tournaments to go. I just think that is wrong. I mean what does that say to the kids who made the team when a kid shows up who didn't try out and starts taking playing time away from those that did.

Why are you talking about that on a girl's team thread? What boys A team was that?

Why are you continuing the off topic conversation????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for U15?
I'm thinking TG's have very little chance, weak 17's. Trying to patch up with 18's will not work. Probably the 2 weakest age groups for black teams in the program. We will see if I am wrong, but I don't think so.

There are plenty of talented 17s. Many did very well during their HS varsity season this year. TG decided to take more 16 and 18s because Shannon coaches both teams, simple as that. Charging a fee for girls to try out was disgusting, but in the end they will be humiliated by every opponent they face. Ir's a shame, the top 10 black and purple girls could have had a nice impact. I'm not saying every black girl or every purple girl deserved to be on team, they could easily get rid of 5 players on each team. Anyone know the website for score updates?

Why do you care about the website if they are going to get humiliated...I think there are only (2) 2016 players on roster. I do not know how many 2018 girls are on the team but I assume they must have some talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you care about the website if they are going to get humiliated...I think there are only (2) 2016 players on roster. I do not know how many 2018 girls are on the team but I assume they must have some talent.

Need the website to see the score. Why does everything posted have to be dramatic? People are entitled to their opinions. Of course there is talent on 18, but there is enough talent on both 17 teams that they didn't need to touch 18. The 17 goalie has been w the team since the inception and she was passed over. No, this is not her parent, but she deserved the nod.

US Lacrosse website should have the scores, as this is their tournament. I would imagine that you could also follow them on twitter.

As to the roster choices, the sad truth is that winning is good for business, so that becomes the priority. Unfortunately player development and recruiting exposure take a back seat. The parents and players are just pawns in the money makers' game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you care about the website if they are going to get humiliated...I think there are only (2) 2016 players on roster. I do not know how many 2018 girls are on the team but I assume they must have some talent.

Need the website to see the score. Why does everything posted have to be dramatic? People are entitled to their opinions. Of course there is talent on 18, but there is enough talent on both 17 teams that they didn't need to touch 18. The 17 goalie has been w the team since the inception and she was passed over. No, this is not her parent, but she deserved the nod.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you care about the website if they are going to get humiliated...I think there are only (2) 2016 players on roster. I do not know how many 2018 girls are on the team but I assume they must have some talent.

Need the website to see the score. Why does everything posted have to be dramatic? People are entitled to their opinions. Of course there is talent on 18, but there is enough talent on both 17 teams that they didn't need to touch 18. The 17 goalie has been w the team since the inception and she was passed over. No, this is not her parent, but she deserved the nod.

Goalie never had a shot due to politics. This club is plagued by one bad executive decision after another. Watching the inner workings of what's going on is comical at times.

Did TG really charge a fee to try-out for the U15 tournament ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

US Lacrosse website should have the scores, as this is their tournament. I would imagine that you could also follow them on twitter.

As to the roster choices, the sad truth is that winning is good for business, so that becomes the priority. Unfortunately player development and recruiting exposure take a back seat. The parents and players are just pawns in the money makers' game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you care about the website if they are going to get humiliated...I think there are only (2) 2016 players on roster. I do not know how many 2018 girls are on the team but I assume they must have some talent.

Need the website to see the score. Why does everything posted have to be dramatic? People are entitled to their opinions. Of course there is talent on 18, but there is enough talent on both 17 teams that they didn't need to touch 18. The 17 goalie has been w the team since the inception and she was passed over. No, this is not her parent, but she deserved the nod.

Thank you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It appears to be a Yellow jacket year... No Maryland teams... I guess there could always be a surprise California team rise up and take it..

Not a single Maryland club team and very few, if any, college coaches in attendance. Travel 2K miles to play YJ, Elevate, Steps and Liberty? US LAx couldn't even pull together 32 teams this year. Why do clubs waste their memebers time and money.

Anyone know what the Empire Games are? Got an email TODAY that tryouts are TODAY in Massapequa. Is it worth it? For some reason I thought itvwas a boys team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It appears to be a Yellow jacket year... No Maryland teams... I guess there could always be a surprise California team rise up and take it..

Not a single Maryland club team and very few, if any, college coaches in attendance. Travel 2K miles to play YJ, Elevate, Steps and Liberty? US LAx couldn't even pull together 32 teams this year. Why do clubs waste their memebers time and money.

I guess Colorado isn"t a vacation hot spot for the cultural elitist from Maryland, or maybe there boss Obuma told them they have to cut back on travel so he can golf more

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know what the Empire Games are? Got an email TODAY that tryouts are TODAY in Massapequa. Is it worth it? For some reason I thought itvwas a boys team

Same. Also would like some info.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It appears to be a Yellow jacket year... No Maryland teams... I guess there could always be a surprise California team rise up and take it..

Not a single Maryland club team and very few, if any, college coaches in attendance. Travel 2K miles to play YJ, Elevate, Steps and Liberty? US LAx couldn't even pull together 32 teams this year. Why do clubs waste their memebers time and money.

I guess Colorado isn"t a vacation hot spot for the cultural elitist from Maryland, or maybe there boss Obuma told them they have to cut back on travel so he can golf more

Yep, everyone's turning it into a family vacation...keep rationalizing. Point is, you're spending a ton of time and money to compete against a watered-down field where the best teams consist of kids from your own back-yard. Capital Cup this weekend was a far better attended event at 25% of the cost.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know what the Empire Games are? Got an email TODAY that tryouts are TODAY in Massapequa. Is it worth it? For some reason I thought itvwas a boys team

Same. Also would like some info.

$75 tryot fee, $400 to play. Hotel, food and travel expense to Syracuse... Keep it. They attempted to have a tryout last month and it didn't go too well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It appears to be a Yellow jacket year... No Maryland teams... I guess there could always be a surprise California team rise up and take it..

Not a single Maryland club team and very few, if any, college coaches in attendance. Travel 2K miles to play YJ, Elevate, Steps and Liberty? US LAx couldn't even pull together 32 teams this year. Why do clubs waste their memebers time and money.

I guess Colorado isn"t a vacation hot spot for the cultural elitist from Maryland, or maybe there boss Obuma told them they have to cut back on travel so he can golf more

Yep, everyone's turning it into a family vacation...keep rationalizing. Point is, you're spending a ton of time and money to compete against a watered-down field where the best teams consist of kids from your own back-yard. Capital Cup this weekend was a far better attended event at 25% of the cost.

As a Long Island parent I feel confident in saying that a trip to Co , or a trip to Va. isn't much different. The difference is, if a Md. parent has to go out of their way without someone taking care of all the costs, or having to do a little bit of work for themselves, they would rather just stay home. To be honest I was surprised they went to Fla. It's why they will not come to L.I. to play. Just a little to difficult to get through the city, so they just stay home. Come on even there kids all go to U.MD because its close

Disney was a great spot for this!
Never many coaches at this a few but not what you would think. I think that maybe 5 at the most when my daughter played. That includes SS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know what the Empire Games are? Got an email TODAY that tryouts are TODAY in Massapequa. Is it worth it? For some reason I thought itvwas a boys team

Empire tryouts call Natasha Fuchs at 631-379-3186, tryouts today July 21,2014 at Field of Dreams, Massapequa at 6 pm. The Tournament is July 31 - August 3 at OCC in Syracuse. Do not know if any costs are involved to tryout. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It appears to be a Yellow jacket year... No Maryland teams... I guess there could always be a surprise California team rise up and take it..

Not a single Maryland club team and very few, if any, college coaches in attendance. Travel 2K miles to play YJ, Elevate, Steps and Liberty? US LAx couldn't even pull together 32 teams this year. Why do clubs waste their memebers time and money.

I guess Colorado isn"t a vacation hot spot for the cultural elitist from Maryland, or maybe there boss Obuma told them they have to cut back on travel so he can golf more

Yep, everyone's turning it into a family vacation...keep rationalizing. Point is, you're spending a ton of time and money to compete against a watered-down field where the best teams consist of kids from your own back-yard. Capital Cup this weekend was a far better attended event at 25% of the cost.

As a Long Island parent I feel confident in saying that a trip to Co , or a trip to Va. isn't much different. The difference is, if a Md. parent has to go out of their way without someone taking care of all the costs, or having to do a little bit of work for themselves, they would rather just stay home. To be honest I was surprised they went to Fla. It's why they will not come to L.I. to play. Just a little to difficult to get through the city, so they just stay home. Come on even there kids all go to U.MD because its close

Yep, that's why the top clubs don't come to the island to play. Couldn't be because there is not a single decent tournament held on the island. Name one, just one. You are the ultimate rationalizer. Kids didn't play in one of the biggest recruiting tournaments of the year but instead, run off to Colorado to play against their neighbors with virtually no coaches there to watch them do it. You support it so expect to keep getting it.

Wow that's a money grab! Thanks for the info-was on the fence but will now save the coin.

Just heard from 2 friends on 2 different teams in CO, whoever said no coaches are there is...CORRECT! Apparently more coaches were at The Grind! TG parents already complaining because some girls seeing little playing time. What is the old saying? "You get what you get and you don't get updet..."

how come last year this was the ultimate tourney on TG list but this year its a joke. Could it be your team is weak ? Making excuses bc you know YJ going to dominate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow that's a money grab! Thanks for the info-was on the fence but will now save the coin.

Just heard from 2 friends on 2 different teams in CO, whoever said no coaches are there is...CORRECT! Apparently more coaches were at The Grind! TG parents already complaining because some girls seeing little playing time. What is the old saying? "You get what you get and you don't get updet..."

did you see the score of these games? very one sided games. What a waste of time, no wonder college coaches are no where in sight

Hurricane on its way to Florida, maybe Colorado isn't such a bad spot for this

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how come last year this was the ultimate tourney on TG list but this year its a joke. Could it be your team is weak ? Making excuses bc you know YJ going to dominate.

Can't change history my friend..whatever happens this year..Topguns Won last year beating the fabled YJ Defo in the final

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow that's a money grab! Thanks for the info-was on the fence but will now save the coin.

Just heard from 2 friends on 2 different teams in CO, whoever said no coaches are there is...CORRECT! Apparently more coaches were at The Grind! TG parents already complaining because some girls seeing little playing time. What is the old saying? "You get what you get and you don't get updet..."

did you see the score of these games? very one sided games. What a waste of time, no wonder college coaches are no where in sight

That's a long way to go and a small fortune to play obvious (by the scores) very weak teams. And girls are standing on the sidelines even with a 10 goal lead!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how come last year this was the ultimate tourney on TG list but this year its a joke. Could it be your team is weak ? Making excuses bc you know YJ going to dominate.

Can't change history my friend..whatever happens this year..Topguns Won last year beating the fabled YJ Defo in the final

Agree cant change history so before results are over is it the important tournament you made it out to be last when your 2015 player put a mediocre team on her back and won the championship against the U15 non defo YJ team, or is the joke your TG brethren are pretending this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how come last year this was the ultimate tourney on TG list but this year its a joke. Could it be your team is weak ? Making excuses bc you know YJ going to dominate.

Can't change history my friend..whatever happens this year..Topguns Won last year beating the fabled YJ Defo in the final

Agree cant change history so before results are over is it the important tournament you made it out to be last when your 2015 player put a mediocre team on her back and won the championship against the U15 non defo YJ team, or is the joke your TG brethren are pretending this year.

I can't say if it's a great tournament or not, I'm not there this year. Obviously the absence of any team from Maryland diminishes the competition level. (can't control who shows up) you have to beat the teams there. The rumor is your "superstar" 2016 goalie and her mom are there this year.., can she carry your team to the championships?

Yep, everyone's turning it into a family vacation...keep rationalizing. Point is, you're spending a ton of time and money to compete against a watered-down field where the best teams consist of kids from your own back-yard. Capital Cup this weekend was a far better attended event at 25% of the cost. [/quote]As a Long Island parent I feel confident in saying that a trip to Co , or a trip to Va. isn't much different. The difference is, if a Md. parent has to go out of their way without someone taking care of all the costs, or having to do a little bit of work for themselves, they would rather just stay home. To be honest I was surprised they went to Fla. It's why they will not come to L.I. to play. Just a little to difficult to get through the city, so they just stay home. Come on even there kids all go to U.MD because its close [/quote]

And that's why half the rosters over at the southern ACC schools are from Maryland? Look at the rosters before you generalize. Besides, I've heard that there will be two Maryland teams at Hofstra this weekend. Who knows, if the tournament makes a good impression on those two teams - M&D and Sky Walkers may end up following next year.

Hofstra? MD? Never happen. Why would they travel and spend unnecessarily when they don't need to. Maryland kids gets recruited just fine already and as for them going to UMD it's lacrosse at the highest level and lowest cost plus a great education which sounds like the perfect equation. If you can't get that you can't get anything

This U15 tourny is on its last leg, plus the way these clubs (YJ and TG) approach it is poisonous. Breaking age groups down, pulling girls from here and there, alienating half of the girls on teams. This is a good way to fracture a club. Not worth all the internal grief it causes, clubs would be better off abandoning this thing as it is a joke anyway. National champs, really? The competition that shows up for National draw is ten times better than this piece of crap. Seriously if one or two of these LI clubs pull out, this tourny is gone.

I agree on the talent at this tournament but I look at it the other way...lacrosse is the fastest growing HS sport in the country and more and more colleges are starting programs every year. As it grows outside the traditional hotbed of the Mid Atlantic and Northeast regions there will be more opportunities for our young ladies. I see girls from LI committing to west coast colleges more and more.

This tournament, although not as strong as some weekend tournaments in the summer on the east coast could get bigger and better as those other regions improve. We know states like California, Texas, Colorado...etc. have tremendous athletes...time will tell

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how come last year this was the ultimate tourney on TG list but this year its a joke. Could it be your team is weak ? Making excuses bc you know YJ going to dominate.

LOOKS LIKE YJ IS MAKING A STATEMENT - 3 Undefeated teams, need I say more?

Dukes HHH, Elevate Earn No. 1 Seeds at US Lacrosse U15 National Championships
By Paul Krome and Brian Logue | Photo Gallery | LaxMagazine.com | Live Blog | Twitter

AURORA, Colo. � Dukes HHH (Pa.) and Elevate (N.Y.) emerged from three games of pool play on opening day of the sixth annual US Lacrosse U15 National Championships to earn the number one seeds in the boys' and girls' divisions, respectively, for the single-elimination brackets that begin tomorrow here at scenic Aurora Sports Park. Those brackets continue through Wednesday, when Coaches Aid will live stream the title games that crown the annual national champions of US Lacrosse's U15 membership.

Elevate was one of seven teams to post 3-0 records in pool play, and by tiebreakers was awarded the No. 1 seed ahead of three teams from the Yellow Jackets (N.Y.) program, Long Island Liberty (N.Y.), STEPS (N.J.), and defending national champion Long Island Top Guns, which earned the No. 7 seed. Elevate surrendered just two goals in three pool-play games to earn a first-round bye in the 29-team bracket. Yellow Jackets 2017 Gold and Yellow Jackets 2017 Blue also qualified for first-round byes and will begin play in the round of 16 at 9:30 a.m. MT Tuesday.

The girls' field includes teams from 14 states, many of which qualified automatically with registration discounts by finishing in the top four at one of four US Lacrosse Regional Championships last month. That pool included fourth-seeded Yellow Jackets 2018 Blue, gold medal winner at the US Lacrosse Northeast Championships, and 17th-seeded Team 180 2018 (Colo.), gold medal winner at the West Championships, among others.

Seeds, pool-play records and first-round matchups for the 29-team girls' bracket (all times Mountain):
1. Elevate (N.Y.) 3-0 (bye)
2. Yellow Jackets 2017 Gold (N.Y.) 3-0 (bye)
3. Yellow Jackets 2017 Blue (N.Y.) 3-0 (bye)
4. Yellow Jackets 2018 Blue (N.Y.) 3-0 vs. 29. Illinois Elite 0-3, 8 a.m. Field 20
5. Liberty (N.Y.) 3-0 vs. 28. Utah 0-3, 8 a.m. Field 19
6. STEPS (N.J.) 3-0 vs. 27. Minnesota Elite 0-3, 9:30 a.m. Field 23
7. Top Guns (N.Y.) 3-0 vs. 26. Desert Elite (Ariz.) 0-3, 9:30 a.m. Field 20
8. Ultimate Elite (Pa.) 2-0-1 vs. 25. Coast to Coast LA (Calif.) 0-3, 8 a.m. Field 19
9. Eagle Stix 2017 (Ga.) 2-0 -1 vs. 24. Khaos (Ga.) 0-3, 8 a.m. Field 18
10. Pacific Falcons (Calif.) 2-1 vs. 23. Superstix (Wash.) 0-3, 9:30 a.m. Field 19
11. Washington 2-1 vs. 22. C2C Dallas (Texas) 0-3, 9:30 a.m. Field 22
12. Team 180 2017 (Colo.) 2-1 vs. 21. Colorado 1-2, 8 a.m. Field 22
13. BearLax 2017 (Calif.) 2-1 vs. 20. Cardinal Red 2017 (Va.) 1-2, 8 a.m. Field 21
14. Sunshine State Select (Fla.) 2-1 vs. 19. Cool Stick Illinois (1-2), 9:30 a.m. Field 21
15. Eagle Stix 2018 (Ga.) 2-2 vs. 18. Lakeshore (Ill.) 1-2, 9:30 a.m. Field 18
16. BBL Elite (N.J.) 1-2 vs. 17. Team 180 2018 (Colo.) 1 -2, 8 a.m. Field 17

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow that's a money grab! Thanks for the info-was on the fence but will now save the coin.

Just heard from 2 friends on 2 different teams in CO, whoever said no coaches are there is...CORRECT! Apparently more coaches were at The Grind! TG parents already complaining because some girls seeing little playing time. What is the old saying? "You get what you get and you don't get updet..."

NY teams 18-0, outscoring their opponents 279-41. It's sad really.

Top Guns Tourny all low level LI teams as expected. Not worth getting up for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This U15 tourny is on its last leg, plus the way these clubs (YJ and TG) approach it is poisonous. Breaking age groups down, pulling girls from here and there, alienating half of the girls on teams. This is a good way to fracture a club. Not worth all the internal grief it causes, clubs would be better off abandoning this thing as it is a joke anyway. National champs, really? The competition that shows up for National draw is ten times better than this piece of crap. Seriously if one or two of these LI clubs pull out, this tourny is gone.

I guess you weren't at the Draw this year yes some good teams but not as strong in the upper grades as in years past. There use to be a larger number of the stronger clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns Tourny all low level LI teams as expected. Not worth getting up for.

If YJ, Elevate, Liberty and TG directors banned together to make a strong tourney on LI, the MD teams would attend. If all of those teams worked together to develop a strong tournament I think better teams outside of NY would attend. The issue is, each strong program on LI has their own tournament and none of them will support one another.

Tournament in its 2nd yr and this year has teams from two established Maryland clubs. Do you know of a better girls tournament on LI ? Like all things needs time to grow

Why are there no out of state teams (AGAIN!) for TG tournament?? Plus parents spending mortgage payments to go to CO to play Long Island teams? With no recruiters? Tsk tsk

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow that's a money grab! Thanks for the info-was on the fence but will now save the coin.

Just heard from 2 friends on 2 different teams in CO, whoever said no coaches are there is...CORRECT! Apparently more coaches were at The Grind! TG parents already complaining because some girls seeing little playing time. What is the old saying? "You get what you get and you don't get updet..."

NY teams 18-0, outscoring their opponents 279-41. It's sad really.

It will at least be interesting to see who wins between TG, YJ, Elevate and Liberty, even if the games could have been played on Long Island.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns Tourny all low level LI teams as expected. Not worth getting up for.

I see the Seven other clubs Listed for the Long Island Elite July 26th aka YJ make that a tournament to be at. 52 teams

28 YJ

I guess you weren't at the Draw this year yes some good teams but not as strong in the upper grades as in years past. There use to be a larger number of the stronger clubs. [/quote]

Was the same weekend as IWLCA Champion's Cup in Richmond. Most clubs chose the recruiting tourney for their HS teams

So please stay in bed...

I think you will see YJ 2017 Blue versus Elevate or perhaps YJ 2018 Blue

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you will see YJ 2017 Blue versus Elevate or perhaps YJ 2018 Blue

That will give YJ17 a chance to avenge for their loss against Elevate from 2 weeks ago at the Rise. That would be a fun game to watch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns Tourny all low level LI teams as expected. Not worth getting up for.

If YJ, Elevate, Liberty and TG directors banned together to make a strong tourney on LI, the MD teams would attend. If all of those teams worked together to develop a strong tournament I think better teams outside of NY would attend. The issue is, each strong program on LI has their own tournament and none of them will support one another.

yeah, they don't make enough money as is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns Tourny all low level LI teams as expected. Not worth getting up for.

If YJ, Elevate, Liberty and TG directors banned together to make a strong tourney on LI, the MD teams would attend. If all of those teams worked together to develop a strong tournament I think better teams outside of NY would attend. The issue is, each strong program on LI has their own tournament and none of them will support one another.

Now that would be a brilliant move. The owners/directors/those in charge should put their egos aside and do this! It could be the largest competition in the Northeast. We have Mitchell Field, Seamen Neck Park, Field of Dreams, plus many high schools with turf fields that would support something like this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns Tourny all low level LI teams as expected. Not worth getting up for.

If YJ, Elevate, Liberty and TG directors banned together to make a strong tourney on LI, the MD teams would attend. If all of those teams worked together to develop a strong tournament I think better teams outside of NY would attend. The issue is, each strong program on LI has their own tournament and none of them will support one another.

Put those jokers together in a room for 5 minutes and it will become crystal clear to you why this will never happen.

Now that would be a brilliant move. The owners/directors/those in charge should put their egos aside and do this! It could be the largest competition in the Northeast. We have Mitchell Field, Seamen Neck Park, Field of Dreams, plus many high schools with turf fields that would support something like this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns Tourny all low level LI teams as expected. Not worth getting up for.

I see the Seven other clubs Listed for the Long Island Elite July 26th aka YJ make that a tournament to be at. 52 teams

28 YJ

Where YJ tourney sched?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Top Guns Tourny all low level LI teams as expected. Not worth getting up for.

I see the Seven other clubs Listed for the Long Island Elite July 26th aka YJ make that a tournament to be at. 52 teams

28 YJ

Where YJ tourney sched?

The teams that attend the Long Island Elite makes it comical. However after the Summer Sizzle anything is an upgrade.

Top Guns playing each other this weekend. Pathetic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns playing each other this weekend. Pathetic.

Are you TG? Why do you care?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns playing each other this weekend. Pathetic.

YJ been playing each other at their tournament for years. Previous YJ poster not smart enough to realize that and make stupid comment....priceless.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns playing each other this weekend. Pathetic.

Are you TG? Why do you care?

Come on Powder you have your TG posters asking where they can get the YJ schedule for this weekend and you have no problem with that, yet this jackoff bothers you.Big U15 game coming up TG vs what I think is 3rd level YJ U15 team, need to win that one or its looks pretty bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns playing each other this weekend. Pathetic.

YJ been playing each other at their tournament for years. Previous YJ poster not smart enough to realize that and make stupid comment....priceless.

Same club teams playing each other used to bother me, then you realize that these games are usually much more competitive than the several crappy teams most tournaments schedule you for. So if your own club fields a team that is one of the better competitive matchups, that's fine by me, so long as you can avoid the nasty inter club fighting (ref: crucio v Jones).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns playing each other this weekend. Pathetic.

YJ been playing each other at their tournament for years. Previous YJ poster not smart enough to realize that and make stupid comment....priceless.

Same club teams playing each other used to bother me, then you realize that these games are usually much more competitive than the several crappy teams most tournaments schedule you for. So if your own club fields a team that is one of the better competitive matchups, that's fine by me, so long as you can avoid the nasty inter club fighting (ref: crucio v Jones).

What fighting , everyone knows most of the nonsense is from outside the club be it YJ or TG but usually some idiot from outside stirring the pot.

Is no one going to mention the TG vs YJ Gold game at the U15 National Championship this evening, or are the buzzards swarming waiting for the results before sitting the pot?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns playing each other this weekend. Pathetic.

YJ been playing each other at their tournament for years. Previous YJ poster not smart enough to realize that and make stupid comment....priceless.

Same club teams playing each other used to bother me, then you realize that these games are usually much more competitive than the several crappy teams most tournaments schedule you for. So if your own club fields a team that is one of the better competitive matchups, that's fine by me, so long as you can avoid the nasty inter club fighting (ref: crucio v Jones).

But you're paying $1200/team plus coach expenses plus travel plus plus plus to scrimmage. Something you could just as easily schedule during practice time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is no one going to mention the TG vs YJ Gold game at the U15 National Championship this evening, or are the buzzards swarming waiting for the results before sitting the pot?

Can you tell us the results and who is left in the tournament at this point? YJ Gold beat TG????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns playing each other this weekend. Pathetic.

YJ been playing each other at their tournament for years. Previous YJ poster not smart enough to realize that and make stupid comment....priceless.

Same club teams playing each other used to bother me, then you realize that these games are usually much more competitive than the several crappy teams most tournaments schedule you for. So if your own club fields a team that is one of the better competitive matchups, that's fine by me, so long as you can avoid the nasty inter club fighting (ref: crucio v Jones).

But you're paying $1200/team plus coach expenses plus travel plus plus plus to scrimmage. Something you could just as easily schedule during practice time.

Listen, when you GO to a tournament, YOU PAY 1200 per team. When you HOST a tournament, you dont pay ANYTHING. All that happens is that, TG gets to tell parents that they get 4 tournaments a year and they are included in YOUR fee. INSTEAD of giving 1200 per team to SOMEBODY ELSE, BS gets to keep the 1200 (times 15 or however many teams there are). So, other clubs that pay the same fee per kid and dont host a tournament, have to pay out the 1200 per team per tournamnet, for TG you get to pay the same fee but the club gets to keep more $$$$'s? Got it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is no one going to mention the TG vs YJ Gold game at the U15 National Championship this evening, or are the buzzards swarming waiting for the results before sitting the pot?

TG lost 9-8

Top Guns looses to YJ at U15.

YJ 2017 GOLD beats Top Guns by one goal. Exciting back and forth game. Followed it on the Live Blog on US Lacrosse website. History does not repeat itself. 3 YJ teams in semi-finals tomorrow with Elevate the other contender.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is no one going to mention the TG vs YJ Gold game at the U15 National Championship this evening, or are the buzzards swarming waiting for the results before sitting the pot?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns playing each other this weekend. Pathetic.

YJ been playing each other at their tournament for years. Previous YJ poster not smart enough to realize that and make stupid comment....priceless.

Same club teams playing each other used to bother me, then you realize that these games are usually much more competitive than the several crappy teams most tournaments schedule you for. So if your own club fields a team that is one of the better competitive matchups, that's fine by me, so long as you can avoid the nasty inter club fighting (ref: crucio v Jones).

But you're paying $1200/team plus coach expenses plus travel plus plus plus to scrimmage. Something you could just as easily schedule during practice time.

$1300 and you are correct. Come on Powder-don't you yhink our money would have better spent going to another tournament and plauing out of state opponents? Inter club scrimmages should have been done at every practice tjis year, maybe then the girls would have learned draw control! None of the teams have grasped that yet!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is no one going to mention the TG vs YJ Gold game at the U15 National Championship this evening, or are the buzzards swarming waiting for the results before sitting the pot?

Top Guns are packing their bags, and the angry parents are furious

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is no one going to mention the TG vs YJ Gold game at the U15 National Championship this evening, or are the buzzards swarming waiting for the results before sitting the pot?

Top Guns are packing their bags, and the angry parents are furious

they lost to YJ gold? What was the score?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJ 2017 GOLD beats Top Guns by one goal. Exciting back and forth game. Followed it on the Live Blog on US Lacrosse website. History does not repeat itself. 3 YJ teams in semi-finals tomorrow with Elevate the other contender.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is no one going to mention the TG vs YJ Gold game at the U15 National Championship this evening, or are the buzzards swarming waiting for the results before sitting the pot?

So Elevate will have to beat 2 YJ Teams back to back to win the Championship. Tough task at hand.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for U15?
I'm thinking TG's have very little chance, weak 17's. Trying to patch up with 18's will not work. Probably the 2 weakest age groups for black teams in the program. We will see if I am wrong, but I don't think so.

Spot on analysis. TG will have to wait for the 2020 group for next shot at this. 2017 and 18's are a million miles away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns playing each other this weekend. Pathetic.

Are you TG? Why do you care?

Come on Powder you have your TG posters asking where they can get the YJ schedule for this weekend and you have no problem with that, yet this jackoff bothers you.Big U15 game coming up TG vs what I think is 3rd level YJ U15 team, need to win that one or its looks pretty bad.

And who are you? That's what I'm asking. What's your agenda? I have no idea who is posting on your YJ thread. Could be anyone because no one has the cojones to register for a screename and own their comments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is no one going to mention the TG vs YJ Gold game at the U15 National Championship this evening, or are the buzzards swarming waiting for the results before sitting the pot?

Top Guns are packing their bags, and the angry parents are furious

Lost to gold! Not blue, gold!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is no one going to mention the TG vs YJ Gold game at the U15 National Championship this evening, or are the buzzards swarming waiting for the results before sitting the pot?

Top Guns are packing their bags, and the angry parents are furious

Lost to gold! Not blue, gold!

So what? Gold is a very good team. Blue might be the best in the country, and gold is probably better than most program's A teams. What's the big deal? Do you think TG expected to win this year, with the group they assembled, vs. those YJ and Elevate teams? This is not a shocking story people! Sounds like it was a great game! Too bad that can't be appreciated, and it has to be turned into some other nonsense, for people to start bitching, and attacking each other....

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns playing each other this weekend. Pathetic.

Are you TG? Why do you care?

YJ has been playing each other for YEARS and now it happens with TG, and it's a big disgusting travesty? BIG DEAL, who cares?

Powder I could register under some BS screen name, meaningless , not ballsy.TG top U15 team loses to 3rd level YJ U15 , thats got to hurt. Where are the TG coolaide drinkers saying YJ is terrible unless on top team, I guess it shows that YJ is deep. Your 2020 group will struggle as several key players are just a little too old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns playing each other this weekend. Pathetic.

YJ been playing each other at their tournament for years. Previous YJ poster not smart enough to realize that and make stupid comment....priceless.

Same club teams playing each other used to bother me, then you realize that these games are usually much more competitive than the several crappy teams most tournaments schedule you for. So if your own club fields a team that is one of the better competitive matchups, that's fine by me, so long as you can avoid the nasty inter club fighting (ref: crucio v Jones).

But you're paying $1200/team plus coach expenses plus travel plus plus plus to scrimmage. Something you could just as easily schedule during practice time.

Listen, when you GO to a tournament, YOU PAY 1200 per team. When you HOST a tournament, you dont pay ANYTHING. All that happens is that, TG gets to tell parents that they get 4 tournaments a year and they are included in YOUR fee. INSTEAD of giving 1200 per team to SOMEBODY ELSE, BS gets to keep the 1200 (times 15 or however many teams there are). So, other clubs that pay the same fee per kid and dont host a tournament, have to pay out the 1200 per team per tournamnet, for TG you get to pay the same fee but the club gets to keep more $$$$'s? Got it?

So either way you (the parent) pays, it's just a matter of who pockets the money? Really splitting hairs aren't you?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Powder I could register under some BS screen name, meaningless , not ballsy.TG top U15 team loses to 3rd level YJ U15 , thats got to hurt. Where are the TG coolaide drinkers saying YJ is terrible unless on top team, I guess it shows that YJ is deep. Your 2020 group will struggle as several key players are just a little too old.

I'm a TG parent, and I know they're 2017 Gold team is very, very good. They just happen to be behind that Blue team, which is unbelievable! They are better than most program's top teams. What, now they're a low level team, so you can blast TG and say they're weak for losing to Gold? That's a dumb argument. There's no story here. One really good team beat another by one goal. That's it. Get a life!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Powder I could register under some BS screen name, meaningless , not ballsy.TG top U15 team loses to 3rd level YJ U15 , thats got to hurt. Where are the TG coolaide drinkers saying YJ is terrible unless on top team, I guess it shows that YJ is deep. Your 2020 group will struggle as several key players are just a little too old.

I'm a TG parent, and I know they're 2017 Gold team is very, very good. They just happen to be behind that Blue team, which is unbelievable! They are better than most program's top teams. What, now they're a low level team, so you can blast TG and say they're weak for losing to Gold? That's a dumb argument. There's no story here. One really good team beat another by one goal. That's it. Get a life!

Come on TG. Many of you went crazy when you beat YJs last year. Some showed a serious lack of class. Don't try to take the high road now because when you won, you were not quite as gracious.

YJ top 3 teams in this age group are much better than TG, period. Time to lick your wounds and concentrate on holding more than 1 practice a week and moving some black and purple girls around. TG could have 2 very competitive teams but there needs to be dedication and commitment from BOTH players and coaches. Yesterday was the last practice of the season and FINALLY the girls all scrimmaged, too bad Shannon completely ignored them and instead gave a private lesson to a girl. Hoping next year it is not about the almighty dollar and they go back to 2 teams that will carry strong players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Powder I could register under some BS screen name, meaningless , not ballsy.TG top U15 team loses to 3rd level YJ U15 , thats got to hurt. Where are the TG coolaide drinkers saying YJ is terrible unless on top team, I guess it shows that YJ is deep. Your 2020 group will struggle as several key players are just a little too old.

I'm a TG parent, and I know they're 2017 Gold team is very, very good. They just happen to be behind that Blue team, which is unbelievable! They are better than most program's top teams. What, now they're a low level team, so you can blast TG and say they're weak for losing to Gold? That's a dumb argument. There's no story here. One really good team beat another by one goal. That's it. Get a life!

Come on TG. Many of you went crazy when you beat YJs last year. Some showed a serious lack of class. Don't try to take the high road now because when you won, you were not quite as gracious.

Class left the building a long time ago when these two teams go at each other here. My two cents: YJ lorded themselves over TG for a long time, so when TG won the U15, they returned the favor. Now YJ is returning the favor. I wish everybody would stop beating their chests over this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Powder I could register under some BS screen name, meaningless , not ballsy.TG top U15 team loses to 3rd level YJ U15 , thats got to hurt. Where are the TG coolaide drinkers saying YJ is terrible unless on top team, I guess it shows that YJ is deep. Your 2020 group will struggle as several key players are just a little too old.

I'm a TG parent, and I know they're 2017 Gold team is very, very good. They just happen to be behind that Blue team, which is unbelievable! They are better than most program's top teams. What, now they're a low level team, so you can blast TG and say they're weak for losing to Gold? That's a dumb argument. There's no story here. One really good team beat another by one goal. That's it. Get a life!

Come on TG. Many of you went crazy when you beat YJs last year. Some showed a serious lack of class. Don't try to take the high road now because when you won, you were not quite as gracious.

what would you like TG to say? YJ's won
the blue will more than likely be crowned champs today.
CR will put photos on the website touting your greatness

Congratulations...

at least TG lost to a YJ team on age.. Liberty lost to the 2018's

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJ top 3 teams in this age group are much better than TG, period. Time to lick your wounds and concentrate on holding more than 1 practice a week and moving some black and purple girls around. TG could have 2 very competitive teams but there needs to be dedication and commitment from BOTH players and coaches. Yesterday was the last practice of the season and FINALLY the girls all scrimmaged, too bad Shannon completely ignored them and instead gave a private lesson to a girl. Hoping next year it is not about the almighty dollar and they go back to 2 teams that will carry strong players.

Mom/Dad - thank you for your money and contributions this year. I assume at this time you will be moving on...best of luck to your daughter.

elevate lost to a 2018 yj team also

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Powder I could register under some BS screen name, meaningless , not ballsy.TG top U15 team loses to 3rd level YJ U15 , thats got to hurt. Where are the TG coolaide drinkers saying YJ is terrible unless on top team, I guess it shows that YJ is deep. Your 2020 group will struggle as several key players are just a little too old.

I'm a TG parent, and I know they're 2017 Gold team is very, very good. They just happen to be behind that Blue team, which is unbelievable! They are better than most program's top teams. What, now they're a low level team, so you can blast TG and say they're weak for losing to Gold? That's a dumb argument. There's no story here. One really good team beat another by one goal. That's it. Get a life!

Come on TG. Many of you went crazy when you beat YJs last year. Some showed a serious lack of class. Don't try to take the high road now because when you won, you were not quite as gracious.

Class left the building a long time ago when these two teams go at each other here. My two cents: YJ lorded themselves over TG for a long time, so when TG won the U15, they returned the favor. Now YJ is returning the favor. I wish everybody would stop beating their chests over this.

Especially since there weren't any MD teams there.

It's too bad that these teams had to fly all the way out to Colorado to vie for the championship. If all the top LI programs got together for one weekend and played locally, we could all save a bunch of money and still crown our National Champions!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's too bad that these teams had to fly all the way out to Colorado to vie for the championship. If all the top LI programs got together for one weekend and played locally, we could all save a bunch of money and still crown our National Champions!!

Exactly right this travel is a joke to play local teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

at least TG lost to a YJ team on age.. Liberty lost to the 2018's

You can add a TG loss to STEPs in consolation game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJ top 3 teams in this age group are much better than TG, period. Time to lick your wounds and concentrate on holding more than 1 practice a week and moving some black and purple girls around. TG could have 2 very competitive teams but there needs to be dedication and commitment from BOTH players and coaches. Yesterday was the last practice of the season and FINALLY the girls all scrimmaged, too bad Shannon completely ignored them and instead gave a private lesson to a girl. Hoping next year it is not about the almighty dollar and they go back to 2 teams that will carry strong players.

Mom/Dad - thank you for your money and contributions this year. I assume at this time you will be moving on...best of luck to your daughter.

I have no daughter on the team anymore, just repeating info I was told

"No Skywalkers, M&D or TG in 2019/20/21 - are you seriously saying that Steps, MD United, etc are in the same league? Come on get serious, three of the four best teams were not there... You beat nobody, good luck at babylon lax blast, I'm sure that you will run the table at that tournament as well - lol"

You TG people make me laugh, get over yourselves

Homer. Don't for one second think that a MD team wouldn't win a natl club championship in at least half the age groups if not more. And the only club to compete with would be YJ. Get real. TG isnt winning any natl champs at any level, Homer..

As a jaded TG parent the U15 results do not surprise me one bit. I think SS does draw talent to her teams and that's all TGs has going for it. The practices, indoor nonsense and coaches (minus one or two) are a joke. I admire MD teams, its like watching a well oiled machine, transition, cuts, feeds. So many passes ending in a quick stick goal you don't even know who scored it happens so quick. YJ likes to put the game on the back of big stud isolation players, same model as when SS played there. One or two studs and it is effective, just not pretty lacrosse. TG seems to promote same selfish brand. Congrats to YJs on win, I know TG can only compete with them in one or two age groups, the others are way behind. BTW this US lacrosse thing isn't drawing the top talent, Someone should set up a NY vs MD championship tournament. Add in MA, CT,NJ,PA, VA and what the [lacrosse] are we traveling to FL or CO for?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a jaded TG parent the U15 results do not surprise me one bit. I think SS does draw talent to her teams and that's all TGs has going for it. The practices, indoor nonsense and coaches (minus one or two) are a joke. I admire MD teams, its like watching a well oiled machine, transition, cuts, feeds. So many passes ending in a quick stick goal you don't even know who scored it happens so quick. YJ likes to put the game on the back of big stud isolation players, same model as when SS played there. One or two studs and it is effective, just not pretty lacrosse. TG seems to promote same selfish brand. Congrats to YJs on win, I know TG can only compete with them in one or two age groups, the others are way behind. BTW this US lacrosse thing isn't drawing the top talent, Someone should set up a NY vs MD championship tournament. Add in MA, CT,NJ,PA, VA and what the [lacrosse] are we traveling to FL or CO for?

To jaded TG parent, I think the biggest difference between LI teams and MD teams is the frequency with which these teams play as a team throughout the year. The MD teams are well oiled because they play a lot of games/scrimmages/leagues/ outside the summer tournament circuit. Many MD schools don't have MS sports either so the clubs have there own de facto league where they play each other frequently throughout the spring. Thus these teams build chemistry and familiarity with each other at an early age.

Could lacrosse follow the lead of soccer and create a '[lacrosse]' for lacrosse? I don't see why not. It would effectively wipe out PAL but everybody moans about PAL anyway so it wouldn't be missed. There are plenty of clubs at this point on LI to create such a league. Any takers?

Why didn't the MD teams play in the u15 this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns playing each other this weekend. Pathetic.

YJ been playing each other at their tournament for years. Previous YJ poster not smart enough to realize that and make stupid comment....priceless.

Same club teams playing each other used to bother me, then you realize that these games are usually much more competitive than the several crappy teams most tournaments schedule you for. So if your own club fields a team that is one of the better competitive matchups, that's fine by me, so long as you can avoid the nasty inter club fighting (ref: crucio v Jones).

But you're paying $1200/team plus coach expenses plus travel plus plus plus to scrimmage. Something you could just as easily schedule during practice time.

Listen, when you GO to a tournament, YOU PAY 1200 per team. When you HOST a tournament, you dont pay ANYTHING. All that happens is that, TG gets to tell parents that they get 4 tournaments a year and they are included in YOUR fee. INSTEAD of giving 1200 per team to SOMEBODY ELSE, BS gets to keep the 1200 (times 15 or however many teams there are). So, other clubs that pay the same fee per kid and dont host a tournament, have to pay out the 1200 per team per tournamnet, for TG you get to pay the same fee but the club gets to keep more $$$$'s? Got it?

Is that the way it works at mitchell field and that other ridiculous CT tourney? You probably play 1/3 of your summer seaon against other yj teams...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a jaded TG parent the U15 results do not surprise me one bit. I think SS does draw talent to her teams and that's all TGs has going for it. The practices, indoor nonsense and coaches (minus one or two) are a joke. I admire MD teams, its like watching a well oiled machine, transition, cuts, feeds. So many passes ending in a quick stick goal you don't even know who scored it happens so quick. YJ likes to put the game on the back of big stud isolation players, same model as when SS played there. One or two studs and it is effective, just not pretty lacrosse. TG seems to promote same selfish brand. Congrats to YJs on win, I know TG can only compete with them in one or two age groups, the others are way behind. BTW this US lacrosse thing isn't drawing the top talent, Someone should set up a NY vs MD championship tournament. Add in MA, CT,NJ,PA, VA and what the [lacrosse] are we traveling to FL or CO for?

To jaded TG parent, I think the biggest difference between LI teams and MD teams is the frequency with which these teams play as a team throughout the year. The MD teams are well oiled because they play a lot of games/scrimmages/leagues/ outside the summer tournament circuit. Many MD schools don't have MS sports either so the clubs have there own de facto league where they play each other frequently throughout the spring. Thus these teams build chemistry and familiarity with each other at an early age.

Could lacrosse follow the lead of soccer and create a '[lacrosse]' for lacrosse? I don't see why not. It would effectively wipe out PAL but everybody moans about PAL anyway so it wouldn't be missed. There are plenty of clubs at this point on LI to create such a league. Any takers?

A previous poster who was displeased with the last TG practice stated the same thing. The teams need more than a watered down once a week practice. Why are they not scrimmaging each other being that the same age groups practice together? And the fact that YJ puts the best players on the top team counts. After this season TG really needs to put friendships aside and rearrange black/purple so that the best 20-not 25, are playing together. Put them all on purple so the black parents can still beat their chest thinking they are the top team. Need to do something!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a jaded TG parent the U15 results do not surprise me one bit. I think SS does draw talent to her teams and that's all TGs has going for it. The practices, indoor nonsense and coaches (minus one or two) are a joke. I admire MD teams, its like watching a well oiled machine, transition, cuts, feeds. So many passes ending in a quick stick goal you don't even know who scored it happens so quick. YJ likes to put the game on the back of big stud isolation players, same model as when SS played there. One or two studs and it is effective, just not pretty lacrosse. TG seems to promote same selfish brand. Congrats to YJs on win, I know TG can only compete with them in one or two age groups, the others are way behind. BTW this US lacrosse thing isn't drawing the top talent, Someone should set up a NY vs MD championship tournament. Add in MA, CT,NJ,PA, VA and what the [lacrosse] are we traveling to FL or CO for?

To jaded TG parent, I think the biggest difference between LI teams and MD teams is the frequency with which these teams play as a team throughout the year. The MD teams are well oiled because they play a lot of games/scrimmages/leagues/ outside the summer tournament circuit. Many MD schools don't have MS sports either so the clubs have there own de facto league where they play each other frequently throughout the spring. Thus these teams build chemistry and familiarity with each other at an early age.

Could lacrosse follow the lead of soccer and create a '[lacrosse]' for lacrosse? I don't see why not. It would effectively wipe out PAL but everybody moans about PAL anyway so it wouldn't be missed. There are plenty of clubs at this point on LI to create such a league. Any takers?

A previous poster who was displeased with the last TG practice stated the same thing. The teams need more than a watered down once a week practice. Why are they not scrimmaging each other being that the same age groups practice together? And the fact that YJ puts the best players on the top team counts. After this season TG really needs to put friendships aside and rearrange black/purple so that the best 20-not 25, are playing together. Put them all on purple so the black parents can still beat their chest thinking they are the top team. Need to do something!

No, actually, they don't NEED to do anything. They have plenty of happy customers. If you're not happy YOU need to do something!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why didn't the MD teams play in the u15 this year?

It's a waste of time and money, can play top competition at home (so could LI teams). They schedule "playdays" with other clubs. M&D, Skywalkers, Hero's and TLC might get together for a 1 day round-robin. Why subject your club parents to the time and expense for a non-recruiting event? I you are dead-set on a destination tournament, send the 2017's to President's Cup instead, atleast coaches will be watching. BTW, Capital out of VA doesn't send a team either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a jaded TG parent the U15 results do not surprise me one bit. I think SS does draw talent to her teams and that's all TGs has going for it. The practices, indoor nonsense and coaches (minus one or two) are a joke. I admire MD teams, its like watching a well oiled machine, transition, cuts, feeds. So many passes ending in a quick stick goal you don't even know who scored it happens so quick. YJ likes to put the game on the back of big stud isolation players, same model as when SS played there. One or two studs and it is effective, just not pretty lacrosse. TG seems to promote same selfish brand. Congrats to YJs on win, I know TG can only compete with them in one or two age groups, the others are way behind. BTW this US lacrosse thing isn't drawing the top talent, Someone should set up a NY vs MD championship tournament. Add in MA, CT,NJ,PA, VA and what the [lacrosse] are we traveling to FL or CO for?

To jaded TG parent, I think the biggest difference between LI teams and MD teams is the frequency with which these teams play as a team throughout the year. The MD teams are well oiled because they play a lot of games/scrimmages/leagues/ outside the summer tournament circuit. Many MD schools don't have MS sports either so the clubs have there own de facto league where they play each other frequently throughout the spring. Thus these teams build chemistry and familiarity with each other at an early age.

Could lacrosse follow the lead of soccer and create a '[lacrosse]' for lacrosse? I don't see why not. It would effectively wipe out PAL but everybody moans about PAL anyway so it wouldn't be missed. There are plenty of clubs at this point on LI to create such a league. Any takers?

A previous poster who was displeased with the last TG practice stated the same thing. The teams need more than a watered down once a week practice. Why are they not scrimmaging each other being that the same age groups practice together? And the fact that YJ puts the best players on the top team counts. After this season TG really needs to put friendships aside and rearrange black/purple so that the best 20-not 25, are playing together. Put them all on purple so the black parents can still beat their chest thinking they are the top team. Need to do something!

No, actually, they don't NEED to do anything. They have plenty of happy customers. If you're not happy YOU need to do something!

I agree with the first guy, they need to do something. Talking to many, many parents and it is nearly unanimous, everyone wants less players per team, please charge us more and do this! Maybe to only people who would want to avoid this move are the people who would need to move down.BOTC has the pulse of the people, people want this for the club, do it.

as a first year TG parent I found many pros and cons to this program. The pros are my daughter enjoyed herself and made some new friends. It was nice to play with girls at the same skill level vs playing with town team. with that being said there is plenty of room for improvement. The lack of winter practice hurts this program, The girls get maybe 2/3 practices before going to MD. not enough to gel at all. The communication is not the best and the coaches seem less than enthusiastic to be there. You see all these other clubs with tents food bonding etc while TG seems to scatter between games. Paying around 3K when u factor in gas hotels etc one may rethink trying out again

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a jaded TG parent the U15 results do not surprise me one bit. I think SS does draw talent to her teams and that's all TGs has going for it. The practices, indoor nonsense and coaches (minus one or two) are a joke. I admire MD teams, its like watching a well oiled machine, transition, cuts, feeds. So many passes ending in a quick stick goal you don't even know who scored it happens so quick. YJ likes to put the game on the back of big stud isolation players, same model as when SS played there. One or two studs and it is effective, just not pretty lacrosse. TG seems to promote same selfish brand. Congrats to YJs on win, I know TG can only compete with them in one or two age groups, the others are way behind. BTW this US lacrosse thing isn't drawing the top talent, Someone should set up a NY vs MD championship tournament. Add in MA, CT,NJ,PA, VA and what the [lacrosse] are we traveling to FL or CO for?

To jaded TG parent, I think the biggest difference between LI teams and MD teams is the frequency with which these teams play as a team throughout the year. The MD teams are well oiled because they play a lot of games/scrimmages/leagues/ outside the summer tournament circuit. Many MD schools don't have MS sports either so the clubs have there own de facto league where they play each other frequently throughout the spring. Thus these teams build chemistry and familiarity with each other at an early age.

Could lacrosse follow the lead of soccer and create a '[lacrosse]' for lacrosse? I don't see why not. It would effectively wipe out PAL but everybody moans about PAL anyway so it wouldn't be missed. There are plenty of clubs at this point on LI to create such a league. Any takers?

A previous poster who was displeased with the last TG practice stated the same thing. The teams need more than a watered down once a week practice. Why are they not scrimmaging each other being that the same age groups practice together? And the fact that YJ puts the best players on the top team counts. After this season TG really needs to put friendships aside and rearrange black/purple so that the best 20-not 25, are playing together. Put them all on purple so the black parents can still beat their chest thinking they are the top team. Need to do something!

No, actually, they don't NEED to do anything. They have plenty of happy customers. If you're not happy YOU need to do something!

I agree with the first guy, they need to do something. Talking to many, many parents and it is nearly unanimous, everyone wants less players per team, please charge us more and do this! Maybe to only people who would want to avoid this move are the people who would need to move down.BOTC has the pulse of the people, people want this for the club, do it.

Get ready for a nasty response, they don't take constructive consumer advice well!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a jaded TG parent the U15 results do not surprise me one bit. I think SS does draw talent to her teams and that's all TGs has going for it. The practices, indoor nonsense and coaches (minus one or two) are a joke. I admire MD teams, its like watching a well oiled machine, transition, cuts, feeds. So many passes ending in a quick stick goal you don't even know who scored it happens so quick. YJ likes to put the game on the back of big stud isolation players, same model as when SS played there. One or two studs and it is effective, just not pretty lacrosse. TG seems to promote same selfish brand. Congrats to YJs on win, I know TG can only compete with them in one or two age groups, the others are way behind. BTW this US lacrosse thing isn't drawing the top talent, Someone should set up a NY vs MD championship tournament. Add in MA, CT,NJ,PA, VA and what the [lacrosse] are we traveling to FL or CO for?

To jaded TG parent, I think the biggest difference between LI teams and MD teams is the frequency with which these teams play as a team throughout the year. The MD teams are well oiled because they play a lot of games/scrimmages/leagues/ outside the summer tournament circuit. Many MD schools don't have MS sports either so the clubs have there own de facto league where they play each other frequently throughout the spring. Thus these teams build chemistry and familiarity with each other at an early age.

Could lacrosse follow the lead of soccer and create a '[lacrosse]' for lacrosse? I don't see why not. It would effectively wipe out PAL but everybody moans about PAL anyway so it wouldn't be missed. There are plenty of clubs at this point on LI to create such a league. Any takers?

A previous poster who was displeased with the last TG practice stated the same thing. The teams need more than a watered down once a week practice. Why are they not scrimmaging each other being that the same age groups practice together? And the fact that YJ puts the best players on the top team counts. After this season TG really needs to put friendships aside and rearrange black/purple so that the best 20-not 25, are playing together. Put them all on purple so the black parents can still beat their chest thinking they are the top team. Need to do something!

No, actually, they don't NEED to do anything. They have plenty of happy customers. If you're not happy YOU need to do something!

I agree with the first guy, they need to do something. Talking to many, many parents and it is nearly unanimous, everyone wants less players per team, please charge us more and do this! Maybe to only people who would want to avoid this move are the people who would need to move down.BOTC has the pulse of the people, people want this for the club, do it.

Get ready for a nasty response, they don't take constructive consumer advice well!

They're probably not making those changes. They'll keep doing what they do, since it's working for them. If you're not happy, start looking into other clubs now.

The teams will be getting smaller!
Rumor is that the top kids on 2019 Black are going to YJ next year. Guess the strong get stonger .

You don't really expect the coaches or BS to set up tents & make a grocery list for you or do you. How about this crazy idea get together with the other parents put together a grocery list set up a tent and help yourself. Believe it or not BS answers out a lot of emails from COLLEGE coaches, speaks constantly about our children to recruiters and spends time on the sidelines coaching what more do you want. He will answer any questions will call ahead to camps so our kids get that little extra look. Don't be afraid to approach him with any questions he will help you if you ask. He even attends high school games to watch his kids (Topguns) play. Stick with the program, believe in it and it will pay off. Just look at the commitments. Remember this has to be a joint effort with all parties involved to be successful. Play your part instead of griping.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don't really expect the coaches or BS to set up tents & make a grocery list for you or do you. How about this crazy idea get together with the other parents put together a grocery list set up a tent and help yourself. Believe it or not BS answers out a lot of emails from COLLEGE coaches, speaks constantly about our children to recruiters and spends time on the sidelines coaching what more do you want. He will answer any questions will call ahead to camps so our kids get that little extra look. Don't be afraid to approach him with any questions he will help you if you ask. He even attends high school games to watch his kids (Topguns) play. Stick with the program, believe in it and it will pay off. Just look at the commitments. Remember this has to be a joint effort with all parties involved to be successful. Play your part instead of griping.

I love your post, and couldn't agree more! Everything's not perfect, but that's the case wherever you go. The grass isn't always greener, so find a club that meets most of your needs, stick with it, and do whatever YOU can to help make it better!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don't really expect the coaches or BS to set up tents & make a grocery list for you or do you. How about this crazy idea get together with the other parents put together a grocery list set up a tent and help yourself. Believe it or not BS answers out a lot of emails from COLLEGE coaches, speaks constantly about our children to recruiters and spends time on the sidelines coaching what more do you want. He will answer any questions will call ahead to camps so our kids get that little extra look. Don't be afraid to approach him with any questions he will help you if you ask. He even attends high school games to watch his kids (Topguns) play. Stick with the program, believe in it and it will pay off. Just look at the commitments. Remember this has to be a joint effort with all parties involved to be successful. Play your part instead of griping.

Setting up a tent and having snacks and food is not the director's job or even the coaches job. Most YJ teams have a team parent who coordinates this through group email. The team parent gets a volunteer to bring a tent, and then arranges volunteers to bring different items (water snack, etc.). I am surprised that TG teams don't do this (not all YJ teams do it either, but most do). If you want something like this I am sure you can talk to the powers that be and they would probably encourage it as it helps build team friendships.

I too am a first year parent. I agree it should be up to the parents to coordinate that kind of thing. Maybe shoot a mass email of some sort. I for one don't mind siting away from everyone and relaxing lol
I do kind of agree that a few more practice might be helpful. Overall a great experience

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don't really expect the coaches or BS to set up tents & make a grocery list for you or do you. How about this crazy idea get together with the other parents put together a grocery list set up a tent and help yourself. Believe it or not BS answers out a lot of emails from COLLEGE coaches, speaks constantly about our children to recruiters and spends time on the sidelines coaching what more do you want. He will answer any questions will call ahead to camps so our kids get that little extra look. Don't be afraid to approach him with any questions he will help you if you ask. He even attends high school games to watch his kids (Topguns) play. Stick with the program, believe in it and it will pay off. Just look at the commitments. Remember this has to be a joint effort with all parties involved to be successful. Play your part instead of griping.

Thanks for responding here Bill

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don't really expect the coaches or BS to set up tents & make a grocery list for you or do you. How about this crazy idea get together with the other parents put together a grocery list set up a tent and help yourself. Believe it or not BS answers out a lot of emails from COLLEGE coaches, speaks constantly about our children to recruiters and spends time on the sidelines coaching what more do you want. He will answer any questions will call ahead to camps so our kids get that little extra look. Don't be afraid to approach him with any questions he will help you if you ask. He even attends high school games to watch his kids (Topguns) play. Stick with the program, believe in it and it will pay off. Just look at the commitments. Remember this has to be a joint effort with all parties involved to be successful. Play your part instead of griping.

Thanks for responding here Bill

Stop it. This has been my experience with Bill as well. No complaints.

On our team, we all brought food, share and share alike. A few families brought tents. We all spent every tournament together, huddled for shade, sharing food and fun.

I did spend time on a team where this did not happen. It was all very awkward and uncomfortable. You do need someone to step up and start the organizing and it's a team parent, not a club director or even the coach.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don't really expect the coaches or BS to set up tents & make a grocery list for you or do you. How about this crazy idea get together with the other parents put together a grocery list set up a tent and help yourself. Believe it or not BS answers out a lot of emails from COLLEGE coaches, speaks constantly about our children to recruiters and spends time on the sidelines coaching what more do you want. He will answer any questions will call ahead to camps so our kids get that little extra look. Don't be afraid to approach him with any questions he will help you if you ask. He even attends high school games to watch his kids (Topguns) play. Stick with the program, believe in it and it will pay off. Just look at the commitments. Remember this has to be a joint effort with all parties involved to be successful. Play your part instead of griping.

Thanks for responding here Bill

Stop it. This has been my experience with Bill as well. No complaints.

On our team, we all brought food, share and share alike. A few families brought tents. We all spent every tournament together, huddled for shade, sharing food and fun.

I did spend time on a team where this did not happen. It was all very awkward and uncomfortable. You do need someone to step up and start the organizing and it's a team parent, not a club director or even the coach.

Why organize it on a "team" basis? When you have 15 teams going to a single tournament, why not organize it on a "club" basis. And, I am not comparing clubs or teams or talent but I do see other clubs doing this on a "club" level and NOT at a team level. I see clubs like Elevate that have tons of people at their tent, not just single teams, it shouldnt be that hard to organize. I think it would add another dynamic to the club and help build more of a belonging to a club and not just being on a team. Just a thought.

I really can't believe parents are complaining about no tent or food etc.. I would rather have the director focus on other things like coaches, calls etc.. tents, food etc should be coordinated by team parents. a parent on my sons team send around a link with what s needed and parents sign up for what they will bring. but for a tourney run by a program it would be wise to have one big tent for all in the program for their own tourney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really can't believe parents are complaining about no tent or food etc.. I would rather have the director focus on other things like coaches, calls etc.. tents, food etc should be coordinated by team parents. a parent on my sons team send around a link with what s needed and parents sign up for what they will bring. but for a tourney run by a program it would be wise to have one big tent for all in the program for their own tourney.

TG parents HAVE been complaining about coaches, lack of communication, favoritism, etc., they just get hungry sometimes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why organize it on a "team" basis? When you have 15 teams going to a single tournament, why not organize it on a "club" basis. And, I am not comparing clubs or teams or talent but I do see other clubs doing this on a "club" level and NOT at a team level. I see clubs like Elevate that have tons of people at their tent, not just single teams, it shouldnt be that hard to organize. I think it would add another dynamic to the club and help build more of a belonging to a club and not just being on a team. Just a thought.

Because teams play on different fields that are often far-flung.

Trying to get a club to "camp" together would be chaos, and each team would probably end up sitting together anyway by virtue of sitting with whom you are familiar.

There are times when more than one team ends up in the same location, but that happens organically, when we're on the same fields, or when siblings are involved.

But hey, if you feel it should happen on a club level, contact your director. Be warned, those who make suggestions often end up organizing!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really can't believe parents are complaining about no tent or food etc.. I would rather have the director focus on other things like coaches, calls etc.. tents, food etc should be coordinated by team parents. a parent on my sons team send around a link with what s needed and parents sign up for what they will bring. but for a tourney run by a program it would be wise to have one big tent for all in the program for their own tourney.

TG parents HAVE been complaining about coaches, lack of communication, favoritism, etc., they just get hungry sometimes

Like Parents in every other club

Complaining about food is all they have left.

No sense in complaining about the quality of lacrosse. IT OVER!!

Did you see the quality of their 2016,2017,2018 mixed U15 team??

OUCH!!! Maybe they move into catering

"IT OVER"- Maybe you should think about getting an education. Then pound your chest over your daughter's win. Do you feel better coming on here making fun of girls that are 13, 14 and 15 years old? Do you feel better making sure your win was announced on 3 different flights home in front of our girls. No doubt you should be proud of your daughter's team. You have a deep pool of talent. Congratulations on your win. You deserved it. But try winning with some class both on the field, on the sidelines and in public.

I agree what a loser, no class

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"IT OVER"- Maybe you should think about getting an education. Then pound your chest over your daughter's win. Do you feel better coming on here making fun of girls that are 13, 14 and 15 years old? Do you feel better making sure your win was announced on 3 different flights home in front of our girls. No doubt you should be proud of your daughter's team. You have a deep pool of talent. Congratulations on your win. You deserved it. But try winning with some class both on the field, on the sidelines and in public.

YJ is a No class organization. To the parents who paid all of that money to go all the way to Colorado and watch your daughters sit on the sidelines while only the superstars played - you must be thrilled with your medals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns playing each other this weekend. Pathetic.

YJ been playing each other at their tournament for years. Previous YJ poster not smart enough to realize that and make stupid comment....priceless.

Same club teams playing each other used to bother me, then you realize that these games are usually much more competitive than the several crappy teams most tournaments schedule you for. So if your own club fields a team that is one of the better competitive matchups, that's fine by me, so long as you can avoid the nasty inter club fighting (ref: crucio v Jones).

But you're paying $1200/team plus coach expenses plus travel plus plus plus to scrimmage. Something you could just as easily schedule during practice time.

Listen, when you GO to a tournament, YOU PAY 1200 per team. When you HOST a tournament, you dont pay ANYTHING. All that happens is that, TG gets to tell parents that they get 4 tournaments a year and they are included in YOUR fee. INSTEAD of giving 1200 per team to SOMEBODY ELSE, BS gets to keep the 1200 (times 15 or however many teams there are). So, other clubs that pay the same fee per kid and dont host a tournament, have to pay out the 1200 per team per tournamnet, for TG you get to pay the same fee but the club gets to keep more $$$$'s? Got it?

Is that the way it works at mitchell field and that other ridiculous CT tourney? You probably play 1/3 of your summer seaon against other yj teams...

Maybe they like competition ,outside of 2020 TG really doesn't provide any!

To be honest the TG U15 team did OK. In the Quarterfinals they obviously had the more difficult bracket. They lost to YJ Gold by a goal. It was a very competitive game and could have gone either way...a couple of TG goals disallowed. But kudos to YJ Gold they played great all tournament and were the better team

The TG team lost their consolation to Steps by a goal as as well. Another very competitive game. The Steps team lost by 2 to YJ Blue 2017 in the quarters...their closest game by far. The other side had Liberty and Eagle Stix...decent teams but not the same caliber as the others. Elevate and YJ Blue 2018 were the only teams on that side and both ended up losing to both YJ 2017 teams...

Again, this my opinion...not looking for an argument just how I saw it. Congratulation to the YJ organization...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To be honest the TG U15 team did OK. In the Quarterfinals they obviously had the more difficult bracket. They lost to YJ Gold by a goal. It was a very competitive game and could have gone either way...a couple of TG goals disallowed. But kudos to YJ Gold they played great all tournament and were the better team

The TG team lost their consolation to Steps by a goal as as well. Another very competitive game. The Steps team lost by 2 to YJ Blue 2017 in the quarters...their closest game by far. The other side had Liberty and Eagle Stix...decent teams but not the same caliber as the others. Elevate and YJ Blue 2018 were the only teams on that side and both ended up losing to both YJ 2017 teams...

Again, this my opinion...not looking for an argument just how I saw it. Congratulation to the YJ organization...

To be honest you lost to the third best YJ U15 team. Then lost to steps which your TG friends were saying is a B level club 2 weeks ago. My guess TG stops sending teams as it does not look good for them even in the 2020 group as again their best players will not go.

OH stop! What's next? Celebrating coming in as the 8th place loser? Don Henley "Get Over It"! Learn it, love it!

I don't appreciate that your saying Elevate was the easier schedule. This team competes at a very high level, has beaten YJ 17Blue recently and if we were to play YJ 2108 20 times we would win 19 of the meetings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really can't believe parents are complaining about no tent or food etc.. I would rather have the director focus on other things like coaches, calls etc.. tents, food etc should be coordinated by team parents. a parent on my sons team send around a link with what s needed and parents sign up for what they will bring. but for a tourney run by a program it would be wise to have one big tent for all in the program for their own tourney.

TG parents HAVE been complaining about coaches, lack of communication, favoritism, etc., they just get hungry sometimes

All good reasons to go try another club, and complain to them about whatever their issues are. There are issues everywhere! Go somewhere else and [lacrosse] about tents and food...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't appreciate that your saying Elevate was the easier schedule. This team competes at a very high level, has beaten YJ 17Blue recently and if we were to play YJ 2108 20 times we would win 19 of the meetings.

I agree that it is unfair. It is also unfair to say you beat YJ17 Blue recently when you know their entire team was not at that tourney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To be honest the TG U15 team did OK. In the Quarterfinals they obviously had the more difficult bracket. They lost to YJ Gold by a goal. It was a very competitive game and could have gone either way...a couple of TG goals disallowed. But kudos to YJ Gold they played great all tournament and were the better team

The TG team lost their consolation to Steps by a goal as as well. Another very competitive game. The Steps team lost by 2 to YJ Blue 2017 in the quarters...their closest game by far. The other side had Liberty and Eagle Stix...decent teams but not the same caliber as the others. Elevate and YJ Blue 2018 were the only teams on that side and both ended up losing to both YJ 2017 teams...

Again, this my opinion...not looking for an argument just how I saw it. Congratulation to the YJ organization...

To be honest you lost to the third best YJ U15 team. Then lost to steps which your TG friends were saying is a B level club 2 weeks ago. My guess TG stops sending teams as it does not look good for them even in the 2020 group as again their best players will not go.

How would u even know the best 2020 TG players, and IF they would go to the U15 tournament 3 years from now.! Ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To be honest the TG U15 team did OK. In the Quarterfinals they obviously had the more difficult bracket. They lost to YJ Gold by a goal. It was a very competitive game and could have gone either way...a couple of TG goals disallowed. But kudos to YJ Gold they played great all tournament and were the better team

The TG team lost their consolation to Steps by a goal as as well. Another very competitive game. The Steps team lost by 2 to YJ Blue 2017 in the quarters...their closest game by far. The other side had Liberty and Eagle Stix...decent teams but not the same caliber as the others. Elevate and YJ Blue 2018 were the only teams on that side and both ended up losing to both YJ 2017 teams...

Again, this my opinion...not looking for an argument just how I saw it. Congratulation to the YJ organization...

To be honest you lost to the third best YJ U15 team. Then lost to steps which your TG friends were saying is a B level club 2 weeks ago. My guess TG stops sending teams as it does not look good for them even in the 2020 group as again their best players will not go.

How would u even know the best 2020 TG players, and IF they would go to the U15 tournament 3 years from now.! Ridiculous.

I believe the point is some of the "best" 2020 players would have to play up for their U-15 tourney as they are older than the other players on the 2020 team.

How come no scores posted for lacrosse by 3 tournament? Doesn't biscuits more and top guns doesn't want to
Pay this fee. Second rate tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To be honest the TG U15 team did OK. In the Quarterfinals they obviously had the more difficult bracket. They lost to YJ Gold by a goal. It was a very competitive game and could have gone either way...a couple of TG goals disallowed. But kudos to YJ Gold they played great all tournament and were the better team

The TG team lost their consolation to Steps by a goal as as well. Another very competitive game. The Steps team lost by 2 to YJ Blue 2017 in the quarters...their closest game by far. The other side had Liberty and Eagle Stix...decent teams but not the same caliber as the others. Elevate and YJ Blue 2018 were the only teams on that side and both ended up losing to both YJ 2017 teams...

Again, this my opinion...not looking for an argument just how I saw it. Congratulation to the YJ organization...

To be honest you lost to the third best YJ U15 team. Then lost to steps which your TG friends were saying is a B level club 2 weeks ago. My guess TG stops sending teams as it does not look good for them even in the 2020 group as again their best players will not go.

How would u even know the best 2020 TG players, and IF they would go to the U15 tournament 3 years from now.! Ridiculous.

Whats ridiculous is how blind you are, everyone knows who the best player on your team is, everyone knows who some of the other key players are, 2 others. What not everyone knows is how old these kids are, my guess is 2 out of three will not go because they cant go due to age restrictions. Also tells me why they are your better players.

I was wondering that too. Also where are the vendors

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How come no scores posted for lacrosse by 3 tournament? Doesn't biscuits more and top guns doesn't want to
Pay this fee. Second rate tournament.

Don't go next time

Go across the street to Mitchell Field and play 25 minute games and pay an admission fee

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To be honest the TG U15 team did OK. In the Quarterfinals they obviously had the more difficult bracket. They lost to YJ Gold by a goal. It was a very competitive game and could have gone either way...a couple of TG goals disallowed. But kudos to YJ Gold they played great all tournament and were the better team

The TG team lost their consolation to Steps by a goal as as well. Another very competitive game. The Steps team lost by 2 to YJ Blue 2017 in the quarters...their closest game by far. The other side had Liberty and Eagle Stix...decent teams but not the same caliber as the others. Elevate and YJ Blue 2018 were the only teams on that side and both ended up losing to both YJ 2017 teams...

Again, this my opinion...not looking for an argument just how I saw it. Congratulation to the YJ organization...

To be honest you lost to the third best YJ U15 team. Then lost to steps which your TG friends were saying is a B level club 2 weeks ago. My guess TG stops sending teams as it does not look good for them even in the 2020 group as again their best players will not go.

How would u even know the best 2020 TG players, and IF they would go to the U15 tournament 3 years from now.! Ridiculous.

Whats ridiculous is how blind you are, everyone knows who the best player on your team is, everyone knows who some of the other key players are, 2 others. What not everyone knows is how old these kids are, my guess is 2 out of three will not go because they cant go due to age restrictions. Also tells me why they are your better players.

My daughter is on TG but not in 2020 age group, so no, I have no idea who the best players are. Your obsessing about 11-12 year old girls is creepy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't appreciate that your saying Elevate was the easier schedule. This team competes at a very high level, has beaten YJ 17Blue recently and if we were to play YJ 2108 20 times we would win 19 of the meetings.

I disagree with you completely. You got lucky with your northern rise win over 17 cook. Had the two teams played each other at U15 the score would not have been close at all. The truth is 18s will beat you more times than not and 17 Gold will beat you every time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree what a loser, no class

No class is elevate coach screaming at a ref in front of these young girls. You bet we were proud , you bet we wore our medals on the plane, you bet we would announce it, and don't think for a second you wouldn't do the same. Elevate parents were dancing, yes dancing, after their win in Northern Rise. We won with dignity and class. Not once did our coaches argue with refs, especially in front of other kids and college coaches. Spin it however you want-YJs swept U15. Our teams work their butts off and you all come on here and do anything you can to put us down and talk about how happy you are that you're not a part of our teams but your incessant bellyaching about us proves differently.

Well said. The pendulum is always swinging. Congratulations it is in your favor. Stupid! I'm thinking it might be time to grow up.

How about the top no class move of the day at Hofstra with the 2017 Black against 91 with a close game at hand the cheapest and dirtiest defensive move with a severe cross check from the black defender into a 91 middie with a full force on the run slam from a wooden shaft breaking it over an arm , then BS blaming 91 that the girl ran into his defenseman really??? . HEY SHANNON ,, time to teach daddy to learn how to deal with situations when your girls are at 100% fault . A red card that hopefully bans her from tournament ?? That's seems far fetch when they run tournie
I think your Black team has met their match ! Like to see these two teams in championship . Money on is on titanium !!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about the top no class move of the day at Hofstra with the 2017 Black against 91 with a close game at hand the cheapest and dirtiest defensive move with a severe cross check from the black defender into a 91 middie with a full force on the run slam from a wooden shaft breaking it over an arm , then BS blaming 91 that the girl ran into his defenseman really??? . HEY SHANNON ,, time to teach daddy to learn how to deal with situations when your girls are at 100% fault . A red card that hopefully bans her from tournament ?? That's seems far fetch when they run tournie
I think your Black team has met their match ! Like to see these two teams in championship . Money on is on titanium !!

Wahhhh. Your kidding right.

wasn't cheap wasn't dirty please they were playing lacrosse get a grip or tell your daughter to play tennis!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about the top no class move of the day at Hofstra with the 2017 Black against 91 with a close game at hand the cheapest and dirtiest defensive move with a severe cross check from the black defender into a 91 middie with a full force on the run slam from a wooden shaft breaking it over an arm , then BS blaming 91 that the girl ran into his defenseman really??? . HEY SHANNON ,, time to teach daddy to learn how to deal with situations when your girls are at 100% fault . A red card that hopefully bans her from tournament ?? That's seems far fetch when they run tournie
I think your Black team has met their match ! Like to see these two teams in championship . Money on is on titanium !!

Wahhhh. Your kidding right.

Score? Heard black lost yo a C level Massachusetts team?

was at Hofstra today and noticed that Top Guns plays a ver "aggressive", borderline dirty, Yellow Jacket brand of lacrosse. The teams are assembled to win at all cost, but not taught the rule of the game. They were constantly swinging there sticks with recklessness, in what was mostly feeble, dangerous attempts at checks. I did not hear a single coach attempt to remedy this. Now maybe they did on the side lines, or after the game. The Top guns girls also constantly innitiated contact with there sticks horizontal to the ground (pushing), backed into girls while going for ground balls (also pushing), or with possession of the ball, with there back to the defender, push there way through defenders (charging). If I was a parent of a girl on Top Guns, I would be more interested with these problems, and not with who should be bringing food and tents to tourney. With the amount of money you pay your daughters should be taught how to play the game properly, not like a bunch of Yellow Jacket thugs

Typical do wrong denial! , get a grip? that's why the refs called SS to the field , just to let her know how great her defender is at "playing lacrosse" ? Whatever mommy only grip that needs to happen here is to control your daughter which evidently that's something you cannot do. Karma!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wasn't cheap wasn't dirty please they were playing lacrosse get a grip or tell your daughter to play tennis!!

All clubs at that level play the same hard aggressive style of lacrosse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All clubs at that level play the same hard aggressive style of lacrosse

You guys keep confusing "hard aggressive style" with "dangerous, illegal style". There is a difference and often times the Top Guns and Yellow Jackets cross that line. It seems to reason that it is coached that way. Or at the very least, when the line is crossed there isn't corrective action taken by the coaches. There needs to be better officiating across the board (RED cards used) and new rules put in place. There definitely should be limits to fouls per player and maybe per team like is done in basketball. As it stands now, the dangerous play is rewarded and therefore will continue to be taught by the less ethical organizations.

What about 2018 game? Nooo way top guns should have one. Heroes clearly and I say with confidence clearly better team. Refs just continued to favor tg. Clear trip on heros kid who actually got injured on play. Tg kid tripped kid cause she got burned so she tripped her. Kind of a good penalty to take or other kid would have broken out. But not good in that it was clearly dangerous cause heros kid was running fast Tg had to struggle to catch up and win and poor heros playing against 13 not 12 because elderly man ref just kept ignoring tg fouls

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All clubs at that level play the same hard aggressive style of lacrosse

No all clubs on this level don't, because most clubs at this level teach how to play the game. Why don't you stop rationalizing and demand your coaches teach the right way. Your girls can still win and not be thugs. Don't turn into the Yellow Jackets

[quote=Anonymous]Go across the street to Mitchell Field and play 25 minute games and pay an admission fee

And you play YJ and Beach Bums teams great competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about 2018 game? Nooo way top guns should have one. Heroes clearly and I say with confidence clearly better team. Refs just continued to favor tg. Clear trip on heros kid who actually got injured on play. Tg kid tripped kid cause she got burned so she tripped her. Kind of a good penalty to take or other kid would have broken out. But not good in that it was clearly dangerous cause heros kid was running fast Tg had to struggle to catch up and win and poor heros playing against 13 not 12 because elderly man ref just kept ignoring tg fouls

TG won 4 to 3 in a 25 minute game....TG also beat them 11 to 5 in Summer Classic...you are right Heros is a better team. Heroes scored 2 goals in first couple of minutes and TG struggled to score 4 straight goals, giving up a third goal with a minute left. Sorry your daughter slipped and fell down...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All clubs at that level play the same hard aggressive style of lacrosse

You guys keep confusing "hard aggressive style" with "dangerous, illegal style". There is a difference and often times the Top Guns and Yellow Jackets cross that line. It seems to reason that it is coached that way. Or at the very least, when the line is crossed there isn't corrective action taken by the coaches. There needs to be better officiating across the board (RED cards used) and new rules put in place. There definitely should be limits to fouls per player and maybe per team like is done in basketball. As it stands now, the dangerous play is rewarded and therefore will continue to be taught by the less ethical organizations.

Sounds like the same Liberty parent on the YJ thread. Tennis anyone?

Please, parents that never played any form of lacrosse, and this is 80% or more, buy a rule book and learn the rules before you open you mouth and sound ignorant. It's only $14.00 and will do you and your daughter a world of good. but for starter look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNW3Wk-Qfuw

Don't forget the Grind...Heroes lost to SJS In semis and TG beat SJS 9 to 4 in finals...Heros is better...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about 2018 game? Nooo way top guns should have one. Heroes clearly and I say with confidence clearly better team. Refs just continued to favor tg. Clear trip on heros kid who actually got injured on play. Tg kid tripped kid cause she got burned so she tripped her. Kind of a good penalty to take or other kid would have broken out. But not good in that it was clearly dangerous cause heros kid was running fast Tg had to struggle to catch up and win and poor heros playing against 13 not 12 because elderly man ref just kept ignoring tg fouls

TG won 4 to 3 in a 25 minute game....TG also beat them 11 to 5 in Summer Classic...you are right Heros is a better team. Heroes scored 2 goals in first couple of minutes and TG struggled to score 4 straight goals, giving up a third goal with a minute left. Sorry your daughter slipped and fell down...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please, parents that never played any form of lacrosse, and this is 80% or more, buy a rule book and learn the rules before you open you mouth and sound ignorant. It's only $14.00 and will do you and your daughter a world of good. but for starter look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNW3Wk-Qfuw

Have read the rules, the referee manual and more importantly have watch hundreds of youth, college and national level games. You are not living in reality. But keep preaching, csn I get an amen!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How come no scores posted for lacrosse by 3 tournament? Doesn't biscuits more and top guns doesn't want to
Pay this fee. Second rate tournament.

Since this is a tournament where they state champions will be crowned, how come no results are posted? It would be nice to see who won since we played but did not advance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Go across the street to Mitchell Field and play 25 minute games and pay an admission fee

And you play YJ and Beach Bums teams great competition.

Missing the whole point of the Elite tourney. It's not a championship format so there's no Tshirt to win, just a huge successful great bunch of girls and their families getting together supporting each other and having fun. This is such a great way to end the summer season and I love that all teams are there to support each other.

Hero's brought two teams up with them. How did the other one do? Did they do? I heard that one Maryland team did not even get out of pool play in 2019. Was that the other Hero's team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget the Grind...Heroes lost to SJS In semis and TG beat SJS 9 to 4 in finals...Heros is better...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about 2018 game? Nooo way top guns should have one. Heroes clearly and I say with confidence clearly better team. Refs just continued to favor tg. Clear trip on heros kid who actually got injured on play. Tg kid tripped kid cause she got burned so she tripped her. Kind of a good penalty to take or other kid would have broken out. But not good in that it was clearly dangerous cause heros kid was running fast Tg had to struggle to catch up and win and poor heros playing against 13 not 12 because elderly man ref just kept ignoring tg fouls

TG won 4 to 3 in a 25 minute game....TG also beat them 11 to 5 in Summer Classic...you are right Heros is a better team. Heroes scored 2 goals in first couple of minutes and TG struggled to score 4 straight goals, giving up a third goal with a minute left. Sorry your daughter slipped and fell down...

Would you two stop fighting which2018 team is better. Reality both clubs are way sub par in this age group. M&D, SkyWalkers and YJ are miles ahead and I can name a dozen other teams that are better. You guys are seriously fighting over the 20th spot, irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Go across the street to Mitchell Field and play 25 minute games and pay an admission fee

And you play YJ and Beach Bums teams great competition.

Missing the whole point of the Elite tourney. It's not a championship format so there's no Tshirt to win, just a huge successful great bunch of girls and their families getting together supporting each other and having fun. This is such a great way to end the summer season and I love that all teams are there to support each other.

I also enjoy playing just YJ teams and supporting CR. I gladly shelled out my $10 bucks at the door.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Go across the street to Mitchell Field and play 25 minute games and pay an admission fee

And you play YJ and Beach Bums teams great competition.

Missing the whole point of the Elite tourney. It's not a championship format so there's no Tshirt to win, just a huge successful great bunch of girls and their families getting together supporting each other and having fun. This is such a great way to end the summer season and I love that all teams are there to support each other.

I also enjoy playing just YJ teams and supporting CR. I gladly shelled out my $10 bucks at the door.

Yuck

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Go across the street to Mitchell Field and play 25 minute games and pay an admission fee

And you play YJ and Beach Bums teams great competition.

Missing the whole point of the Elite tourney. It's not a championship format so there's no Tshirt to win, just a huge successful great bunch of girls and their families getting together supporting each other and having fun. This is such a great way to end the summer season and I love that all teams are there to support each other.

I also enjoy playing just YJ teams and supporting CR. I gladly shelled out my $10 bucks at the door.

Yuck

You're actually supporting your child being involved in a great program but if you have a problem shelling out $10 at the door you need to go somewhere else. I gave $20 gladly and told them to keep the change. Oh and we also bought some $10 yj tshirts and a backpack and were happy to do it. You can all look at it negatively, I haven't once regretted having my girls involved in the yellow jackets. If any of you are move one. For all of you "others" that come on here and constantly bash the program, you're obviously jealous and obsessed.

I took all I had not to pop the guy from top guns who was making fun of my child this morning, I did not because she could not hear your stupidity! I relay hope that is not what you are teaching your child, my daughter has had a good time playing she has made good friends and I look forward to her becoming the best she can be and that includes being nice to others....

Did top guns black 2018 get out of pool play in best of the beach. Very funny that they went to a non competitive tournament to get a needed championship and went home early. On the other hand congrats to purple. They work hard and play as a team. Sorry white loses a lot and chants thank you 91 for losing when they are a mess themselves b

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Go across the street to Mitchell Field and play 25 minute games and pay an admission fee

And you play YJ and Beach Bums teams great competition.

Missing the whole point of the Elite tourney. It's not a championship format so there's no Tshirt to win, just a huge successful great bunch of girls and their families getting together supporting each other and having fun. This is such a great way to end the summer season and I love that all teams are there to support each other.

I also enjoy playing just YJ teams and supporting CR. I gladly shelled out my $10 bucks at the door.

Yuck

You're actually supporting your child being involved in a great program but if you have a problem shelling out $10 at the door you need to go somewhere else. I gave $20 gladly and told them to keep the change. Oh and we also bought some $10 yj tshirts and a backpack and were happy to do it. You can all look at it negatively, I haven't once regretted having my girls involved in the yellow jackets. If any of you are move one. For all of you "others" that come on here and constantly bash the program, you're obviously jealous and obsessed.

Oh I thought all the money for training and tournaments support my daughter playing lax didn't realize it was the $10 at the gate.

Really. Why is it that YJ keep avoiding TG 2018. Ms Rose always puts her team in a different bracket then TG in National Draw?

So your daughter is on purple and your upset she's not on black. In turn you put down white team. You reAlize purple only beat white by 1 yesterday. Right?!

You did see billy smith cheering for / coaching purple on sidelines totally inappropriate but I guess he figured your group wouldn't handle if they lost to the clubs step-child g

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did top guns black 2018 get out of pool play in best of the beach. Very funny that they went to a non competitive tournament to get a needed championship and went home early. On the other hand congrats to purple. They work hard and play as a team. Sorry white loses a lot and chants thank you 91 for losing when they are a mess themselves b

Black won their bracket but unfortunately could not field a team because girls had flights already booked to Denver...so they forfeited. Purple is a solid team...great group of young ladies. Black beat them 5 - 2 in semis yesterday

Tournament was horrible , drove home in hideous traffic , told would have college coaches there, fields were bad and layout worse. Can tell you my daughters team will not make the trip north next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really. Why is it that YJ keep avoiding TG 2018. Ms Rose always puts her team in a different bracket then TG in National Draw?

Same bracket, just avoids the head to head within the bracket. Ever think it may be TGs requesting not to play YJ? Who knows why but both teams in same bracket and not scheduled to play each other is the only way to assure they never face each other later in playoffs, because only one team will get out of pool play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So your daughter is on purple and your upset she's not on black. In turn you put down white team. You reAlize purple only beat white by 1 yesterday. Right?!

You did see billy smith cheering for / coaching purple on sidelines totally inappropriate but I guess he figured your group wouldn't handle if they lost to the clubs step-child g

The TG White Team in the 2018 age group? That team is horrific.......

Oh. Thought black lost their first game. How did they field a team for the later games but had to forfeit their first game which I'm assuming was where
their only loss came from. Don't 2017's
Go to Denver or do they borrow some 18's
Purple a nice team that seems to
Play as a group well

I don't think rose cares. Tg 2018 black so weak like another poster stayed previously

The Hofstra tournament was the only tournament that had not one vendor selling food! Couldn't even buy a bottle of water?! I have never been to a tournament with no vendors. So strange

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hofstra tournament was the only tournament that had not one vendor selling food! Couldn't even buy a bottle of water?! I have never been to a tournament with no vendors. So strange

About 100 yards away on Hempstead turnpike is Mcdonalds,, chipotle, Ralph's ices, subway... Take a walk and eat up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tournament was horrible , drove home in hideous traffic , told would have college coaches there, fields were bad and layout worse. Can tell you my daughters team will not make the trip north next year.

If this is true, I'm sorry the experience was bad, as a LI lax parent who has traveled many times south to play it was great staying home for a tournament. The tournament needs great teams/clubs to get better.. Then the coaches will come... Thanks for making the trip up..NY doesn't compare with too many other parts of the country, traffic is always bad, people are always in a hurry. hopefully you took advantage and did something in the city or on the shore during the down times.

Why must your responses be so obnoxious. EVERY tournament has vendors. Maybe they just don't want to be associated with you and your daughter BS

Coach Rose is NOT afraid to play a Top Guns Team!!

Come on Really think about this for a minute,.....YJ 2015 Blue has played 2015 Black probably once a year ask the parents how they made out.
Skywalkers and M&D vs 2015 Blue are the best games at every tournament for years. Yes 2015 Black and 2015 Blue are two good teams and have had some good games BUT NOT close to the SkyWalkers and M&D games. The sidelines are packed with players parents and coaches from other teams watching those games, and has been that way for years.
Liberty and Top Guns are good programs but not at the same level as of July 2014!

KP9WPKKeep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hofstra tournament was the only tournament that had not one vendor selling food! Couldn't even buy a bottle of water?! I have never been to a tournament with no vendors. So strange

About 100 yards away on Hempstead turnpike is Mcdonalds,, chipotle, Ralph's ices, subway... Take a walk and eat up

Don't forget Dunkin Donuts and Subway. In a way - I liked the fact that there was not a big vendor village. We were there for lacrosse not shopping. If you wanted to shop and eat Roosevelt Field was two exits up on the Meadowbrook.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hofstra tournament was the only tournament that had not one vendor selling food! Couldn't even buy a bottle of water?! I have never been to a tournament with no vendors. So strange

The student center inside Hofstra was open all day for breakfast, lunch and drinks, (hot and cold food) all at very reasonable prices. Unfortunately, it was not well advertised

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hofstra tournament was the only tournament that had not one vendor selling food! Couldn't even buy a bottle of water?! I have never been to a tournament with no vendors. So strange

About 100 yards away on Hempstead turnpike is Mcdonalds,, chipotle, Ralph's ices, subway... Take a walk and eat up

Tournament was crap. Elevate pulled out this year for a reason. There won't be a tournament next year. And having not one vendor for food or drink was pathetic. No organization should waste their money on this debacle, they couldn't even keep the scores right!

Any college coaches there other than SS?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any college coaches there other than SS?

Yes, I did see some at every game we played. Didn't look to see from where, though.

Agree about the food situation. Food and water should've been available for sale, regardless of the fast food joints in close proximity. If I wanted to run quickly to a vendor to pick up another water, it shouldn't involve getting in my car.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any college coaches there other than SS?

Yes, I did see some at every game we played. Didn't look to see from where, though.

Agree about the food situation. Food and water should've been available for sale, regardless of the fast food joints in close proximity. If I wanted to run quickly to a vendor to pick up another water, it shouldn't involve getting in my car.

100 yards? Car?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Go across the street to Mitchell Field and play 25 minute games and pay an admission fee

And you play YJ and Beach Bums teams great competition.

Missing the whole point of the Elite tourney. It's not a championship format so there's no Tshirt to win, just a huge successful great bunch of girls and their families getting together supporting each other and having fun. This is such a great way to end the summer season and I love that all teams are there to support each other.

I also enjoy playing just YJ teams and supporting CR. I gladly shelled out my $10 bucks at the door.

Yuck

You're actually supporting your child being involved in a great program but if you have a problem shelling out $10 at the door you need to go somewhere else. I gave $20 gladly and told them to keep the change. Oh and we also bought some $10 yj tshirts and a backpack and were happy to do it. You can all look at it negatively, I haven't once regretted having my girls involved in the yellow jackets. If any of you are move one. For all of you "others" that come on here and constantly bash the program, you're obviously jealous and obsessed.

In all sincerity, where do you think the $10 admission is really going?

Agreed. Not saying the tournament was bad. Games ran on time. Parking wasn't an issue. Just would've been nice to have the option. Instead of getting so defensive maybe take the opinions and improve. You just might draw more teams if ur not so nasty

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. Not saying the tournament was bad. Games ran on time. Parking wasn't an issue. Just would've been nice to have the option. Instead of getting so defensive maybe take the opinions and improve. You just might draw more teams if ur not so nasty

Yes. Compared to the Grind - and those fields out in the middle of nowhere with no parking and overpriced vendors - Hempstead anyday. A food truck or two in one of the parking lots would have made a killing this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any college coaches there other than SS?

Yes, I did see some at every game we played. Didn't look to see from where, though.

Agree about the food situation. Food and water should've been available for sale, regardless of the fast food joints in close proximity. If I wanted to run quickly to a vendor to pick up another water, it shouldn't involve getting in my car.

100 yards? Car?

IDK where the 100-yard poster's field was, but ours were never that close. Frankly, I don't think any field was 100 yards from the fast food joints. Maybe as the crow flies, but not walking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hofstra tournament was the only tournament that had not one vendor selling food! Couldn't even buy a bottle of water?! I have never been to a tournament with no vendors. So strange

About 100 yards away on Hempstead turnpike is Mcdonalds,, chipotle, Ralph's ices, subway... Take a walk and eat up

Tournament was crap. Elevate pulled out this year for a reason. There won't be a tournament next year. And having not one vendor for food or drink was pathetic. No organization should waste their money on this debacle, they couldn't even keep the scores right!

I heard from reliable source ( non topgun), that elevate was sent away due to financial reasons.

That's all I'm saying. A food truck. Pretzel. Water. If I had one I would've killed to park there. Cha Ching !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Go across the street to Mitchell Field and play 25 minute games and pay an admission fee

And you play YJ and Beach Bums teams great competition.

Missing the whole point of the Elite tourney. It's not a championship format so there's no Tshirt to win, just a huge successful great bunch of girls and their families getting together supporting each other and having fun. This is such a great way to end the summer season and I love that all teams are there to support each other.

I also enjoy playing just YJ teams and supporting CR. I gladly shelled out my $10 bucks at the door.

Yuck

You're actually supporting your child being involved in a great program but if you have a problem shelling out $10 at the door you need to go somewhere else. I gave $20 gladly and told them to keep the change. Oh and we also bought some $10 yj tshirts and a backpack and were happy to do it. You can all look at it negatively, I haven't once regretted having my girls involved in the yellow jackets. If any of you are move one. For all of you "others" that come on here and constantly bash the program, you're obviously jealous and obsessed.

In all sincerity, where do you think the $10 admission is really going?

A good portion went to approx $8k in schloarships to YJ kids. If they really need another $10 by family, they would just raise the price of membership. You might have legitimate issues with YJ, but this is really not one of them worth your time.

They might be talking about fields 1, 2 and 3. Probably not 100 yards - more like 100 meters to Mcdonalds, DD and Subway. That's also where the vendors were. But, if you were stuck on the other fields all weekend - you were SOL. Actually, compared to other tournaments parking was very nice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They might be talking about fields 1, 2 and 3. Probably not 100 yards - more like 100 meters to Mcdonalds, DD and Subway. That's also where the vendors were. But, if you were stuck on the other fields all weekend - you were SOL. Actually, compared to other tournaments parking was very nice.

Ummm..a meter and a yard are approximately the same...

I have to say that being a Long Island parent of a Top Guns team it was nice to be local for this last tournament. I understand for out of town folks that not having food or vendors may be a big deal but we were just at one in NJ and they didn't have any decent food vendors there either at least not the first day. They should have advertised the student center being open with food. Agreed. Bottom line is though your going there to watch/play lax and in all likelihood you are bringing a cooler that has food and drinks. If your not then its something you should think about for next trip.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hofstra tournament was the only tournament that had not one vendor selling food! Couldn't even buy a bottle of water?! I have never been to a tournament with no vendors. So strange

About 100 yards away on Hempstead turnpike is Mcdonalds,, chipotle, Ralph's ices, subway... Take a walk and eat up

Tournament was crap. Elevate pulled out this year for a reason. There won't be a tournament next year. And having not one vendor for food or drink was pathetic. No organization should waste their money on this debacle, they couldn't even keep the scores right!

I heard from reliable source ( non topgun), that elevate was sent away due to financial reasons.

Obviously not a reliable source. They chose to do better tournaments as witnessed by the complaints on here. They did go last year but clearly ran into the same issues as people are discussing on here. You have NO reliable source because you as human being most likely have no credibility in any aspect of your life. Elevate clearly had their best financial year ever, most teams they have ever had, great turnout at tryouts, more kids than ever. But you keep going.

You'll only know how great it truly was when you see number of kids at NEXT tryout, right?

No they did not. They lost first game Went home due to loss. Not forfeit
Post it this time

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No they did not. They lost first game Went home due to loss. Not forfeit
Post it this time

Hey dope [lacrosse]...they finished at 3 - 1 and in a tie with T3 but beat them head to head...that was first tiebreaker. But too many girls had to leave for a flight to Denver so they could not field a team. No big deal..why are you so hung up on a team full of 13-14 year old girls. Let me explain to you that everyone wants to win, however the goal for travel lacrosse if your daughter wants to play at the college level is to get better as a player, and hopefully because of her play she might get noticed at a recruiting event by a college that she may want to attend because it suits her academically and lacrosse wise. Good luck to our daughter...step away from the keyboard

Nice to see the Maryland teams and Mass teams at Hofstra Tourney this weekend. Even nicer when I went home to my bed and they were all in the parking lot talking about what hotel they were staying in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice to see the Maryland teams and Mass teams at Hofstra Tourney this weekend. Even nicer when I went home to my bed and they were all in the parking lot talking about what hotel they were staying in.

Heros and Integrity don't count when saying Maryland teams showed up. You all know there are really only 2.5 that matter. (TLC gets a half)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They might be talking about fields 1, 2 and 3. Probably not 100 yards - more like 100 meters to Mcdonalds, DD and Subway. That's also where the vendors were. But, if you were stuck on the other fields all weekend - you were SOL. Actually, compared to other tournaments parking was very nice.

Ummm..a meter and a yard are approximately the same...

The guy was using dry sarcasm, it was obviously lost on you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice to see the Maryland teams and Mass teams at Hofstra Tourney this weekend. Even nicer when I went home to my bed and they were all in the parking lot talking about what hotel they were staying in.

Heros and Integrity don't count when saying Maryland teams showed up. You all know there are really only 2.5 that matter. (TLC gets a half)

Compared to Beach Bums & CT Grizzlies at the Elite showcase?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hofstra tournament was the only tournament that had not one vendor selling food! Couldn't even buy a bottle of water?! I have never been to a tournament with no vendors. So strange

About 100 yards away on Hempstead turnpike is Mcdonalds,, chipotle, Ralph's ices, subway... Take a walk and eat up

Tournament was crap. Elevate pulled out this year for a reason. There won't be a tournament next year. And having not one vendor for food or drink was pathetic. No organization should waste their money on this debacle, they couldn't even keep the scores right!

I heard from reliable source ( non topgun), that elevate was sent away due to financial reasons.

Obviously not a reliable source. They chose to do better tournaments as witnessed by the complaints on here. They did go last year but clearly ran into the same issues as people are discussing on here. You have NO reliable source because you as human being most likely have no credibility in any aspect of your life. Elevate clearly had their best financial year ever, most teams they have ever had, great turnout at tryouts, more kids than ever. But you keep going.

Interesting , someone appears to be very defensive about Elevate and it's financial discussions. I wonder why?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice to see the Maryland teams and Mass teams at Hofstra Tourney this weekend. Even nicer when I went home to my bed and they were all in the parking lot talking about what hotel they were staying in.

Heros and Integrity don't count when saying Maryland teams showed up. You all know there are really only 2.5 that matter. (TLC gets a half)

Compared to Beach Bums & CT Grizzlies at the Elite showcase?

Please confirm - I heard that the Hero's team won the 2019 division. It also looks like that same Hero's 2019 team has beaten the M&D black and Skywalkers Blue teams along with that TLC 2019 red team. Yes, definitely better competion than Beach Bums and CT Grizzlies or Westchester Rev.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No they did not. They lost first game Went home due to loss. Not forfeit
Post it this time

Hey dope [lacrosse]...they finished at 3 - 1 and in a tie with T3 but beat them head to head...that was first tiebreaker. But too many girls had to leave for a flight to Denver so they could not field a team. No big deal..why are you so hung up on a team full of 13-14 year old girls. Let me explain to you that everyone wants to win, however the goal for travel lacrosse if your daughter wants to play at the college level is to get better as a player, and hopefully because of her play she might get noticed at a recruiting event by a college that she may want to attend because it suits her academically and lacrosse wise. Good luck to our daughter...step away from the keyboard

Just setting the record straight. They left because of error on the tournament/coach telling them they didn't make the playoffs. They could field a team and WON the last game without girls going to Denver.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice to see the Maryland teams and Mass teams at Hofstra Tourney this weekend. Even nicer when I went home to my bed and they were all in the parking lot talking about what hotel they were staying in.

Heros and Integrity don't count when saying Maryland teams showed up. You all know there are really only 2.5 that matter. (TLC gets a half)

I was just glad that FOR ONCE I didn't have to figure out the most expeditious crossing and/or how to avoid Turnpike traffic. It really is too bad LI can't get a tournament together that is not run by warring clubs, something that our teams could attend without too much sniping and something attractive enough to get some off-LI teams.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any college coaches there other than SS?

Yes, I did see some at every game we played. Didn't look to see from where, though.

Agree about the food situation. Food and water should've been available for sale, regardless of the fast food joints in close proximity. If I wanted to run quickly to a vendor to pick up another water, it shouldn't involve getting in my car.

100 yards? Car?

IDK where the 100-yard poster's field was, but ours were never that close. Frankly, I don't think any field was 100 yards from the fast food joints. Maybe as the crow flies, but not walking.

Just for future reference. If on the opposite side of the stadium anyone can walk to the campus market or campus dining hall which was about 100 yards from field on that side. Just ask and you will find it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They might be talking about fields 1, 2 and 3. Probably not 100 yards - more like 100 meters to Mcdonalds, DD and Subway. That's also where the vendors were. But, if you were stuck on the other fields all weekend - you were SOL. Actually, compared to other tournaments parking was very nice.

Ummm..a meter and a yard are approximately the same...

The guy was using dry sarcasm, it was obviously lost on you.

Sorry I must be lost, I did not understand the "dry sarcasm"...I am not that smart. I am only the guy with a cooler full of ice and drinks as well as a sandwich and snacks for my daughter. You can spend a lot of money for a dry gyro or hamburger if you would like at some tournaments. As others have mentioned, this is LI and the fields were not at some HS in southern Jersey or in the middle of farmland like some other tournaments we have attended. A quick drive or walk were easy especially with the ample parking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice to see the Maryland teams and Mass teams at Hofstra Tourney this weekend. Even nicer when I went home to my bed and they were all in the parking lot talking about what hotel they were staying in.

Heros and Integrity don't count when saying Maryland teams showed up. You all know there are really only 2.5 that matter. (TLC gets a half)

Compared to Beach Bums & CT Grizzlies at the Elite showcase?

But Elte showcase also had the best of the best. Th YJs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hofstra tournament was the only tournament that had not one vendor selling food! Couldn't even buy a bottle of water?! I have never been to a tournament with no vendors. So strange

About 100 yards away on Hempstead turnpike is Mcdonalds,, chipotle, Ralph's ices, subway... Take a walk and eat up

Tournament was crap. Elevate pulled out this year for a reason. There won't be a tournament next year. And having not one vendor for food or drink was pathetic. No organization should waste their money on this debacle, they couldn't even keep the scores right!

I heard from reliable source ( non topgun), that elevate was sent away due to financial reasons.

Obviously not a reliable source. They chose to do better tournaments as witnessed by the complaints on here. They did go last year but clearly ran into the same issues as people are discussing on here. You have NO reliable source because you as human being most likely have no credibility in any aspect of your life. Elevate clearly had their best financial year ever, most teams they have ever had, great turnout at tryouts, more kids than ever. But you keep going.

Interesting , someone appears to be very defensive about Elevate and it's financial discussions. I wonder why?

I don't know about Elevate's finances, but I do know that their 2020's pulled out of Hofstra then registered for LI Elite then pulled out of that at the last minute. Very strange....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hofstra tournament was the only tournament that had not one vendor selling food! Couldn't even buy a bottle of water?! I have never been to a tournament with no vendors. So strange

About 100 yards away on Hempstead turnpike is Mcdonalds,, chipotle, Ralph's ices, subway... Take a walk and eat up

Tournament was crap. Elevate pulled out this year for a reason. There won't be a tournament next year. And having not one vendor for food or drink was pathetic. No organization should waste their money on this debacle, they couldn't even keep the scores right!

I heard from reliable source ( non topgun), that elevate was sent away due to financial reasons.

Obviously not a reliable source. They chose to do better tournaments as witnessed by the complaints on here. They did go last year but clearly ran into the same issues as people are discussing on here. You have NO reliable source because you as human being most likely have no credibility in any aspect of your life. Elevate clearly had their best financial year ever, most teams they have ever had, great turnout at tryouts, more kids than ever. But you keep going.

Interesting , someone appears to be very defensive about Elevate and it's financial discussions. I wonder why?

I think they are the fastest growing club on LI and certainly have the most opportunity for growth if you look at the competitive landscape. I don't think the person was defensive, I think that they were providing some facts. How that translates to dollars, who knows, but they certainly have some good teams and have grown significantly and built a strong reputation that they can definitely build on when you look at what exists on LI.

It's the parents. Elevate parents crazy

So one of their 15 or so teams, their 2020s had a conflict so it turns into this discussion. That's funny but somewhat sad that people have nothing else to do or discuss. As a person who knows a 2020 parent, there was a conflict with a prior tournament and they had to make one up. I am assuming that since it was so late in the season they were having issues finding ones that a lot of kids could make since they were scheduling it so late. What is funny about this site is that people jump to conclusions and will make things up with having no facts. I find that so odd and wonder if the people on here really behave that way outside of this forum. That behavior is just so foreign to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's the parents. Elevate parents crazy

No crazier than any other club on Long Island. But based on the above, they do know how to write in correct English.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So one of their 15 or so teams, their 2020s had a conflict so it turns into this discussion. That's funny but somewhat sad that people have nothing else to do or discuss. As a person who knows a 2020 parent, there was a conflict with a prior tournament and they had to make one up. I am assuming that since it was so late in the season they were having issues finding ones that a lot of kids could make since they were scheduling it so late. What is funny about this site is that people jump to conclusions and will make things up with having no facts. I find that so odd and wonder if the people on here really behave that way outside of this forum. That behavior is just so foreign to me.

Hofstra tourney had been on the elevate website for several months, sounds like the money is being spent faster than they can make it - HUB is also sucking wind financially and I believe they are somehw intertwined

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's the parents. Elevate parents crazy

No crazier than any other club on Long Island. But based on the above, they do know how to write in correct English.

That's up for debate, played them once this year, very uncomfortable on the sidelines, felt bad for the players

Hey dopeass, why didn't they send their 18's all to Denver ?? Yj did and played well

Hofstra does not allow outside food vendors on campus. Student center was open with multiple options. Starbucks, etc...

This discussion is boring I would rather watch paint dry. Grow up every club has pros and cons. Pick the best for you and you child, have fun , be social and let the kids be kids. This is the biggest problem with athletics PARENTS. I have been involved in this game as a player, coach, and parent. You guys got to get over it. Obama is destroying this country not this crap. Wake up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hofstra does not allow outside food vendors on campus. Student center was open with multiple options. Starbucks, etc...

Then that should've been made known.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hofstra tournament was the only tournament that had not one vendor selling food! Couldn't even buy a bottle of water?! I have never been to a tournament with no vendors. So strange

About 100 yards away on Hempstead turnpike is Mcdonalds,, chipotle, Ralph's ices, subway... Take a walk and eat up

Tournament was crap. Elevate pulled out this year for a reason. There won't be a tournament next year. And having not one vendor for food or drink was pathetic. No organization should waste their money on this debacle, they couldn't even keep the scores right!

Elevate didn't pull out they weren't welcomed back !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So one of their 15 or so teams, their 2020s had a conflict so it turns into this discussion. That's funny but somewhat sad that people have nothing else to do or discuss. As a person who knows a 2020 parent, there was a conflict with a prior tournament and they had to make one up. I am assuming that since it was so late in the season they were having issues finding ones that a lot of kids could make since they were scheduling it so late. What is funny about this site is that people jump to conclusions and will make things up with having no facts. I find that so odd and wonder if the people on here really behave that way outside of this forum. That behavior is just so foreign to me.

Hofstra tourney had been on the elevate website for several months, sounds like the money is being spent faster than they can make it - HUB is also sucking wind financially and I believe they are somehw intertwined

This is so odd that a grown man or woman that does not have a daughter on a club is stalking and following the happenings of another club so closely and in doing so still has no clue what he is saying(and therefore not doing a very good job). Post your resume on BOTC, we will all help you find a job. And if nothing else, we will help you find a hobby that doesn't involve stalking young girls lacrosse teams....... Creepy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice to see the Maryland teams and Mass teams at Hofstra Tourney this weekend. Even nicer when I went home to my bed and they were all in the parking lot talking about what hotel they were staying in.

Heros and Integrity don't count when saying Maryland teams showed up. You all know there are really only 2.5 that matter. (TLC gets a half)

Compared to Beach Bums & CT Grizzlies at the Elite showcase?

But Elte showcase also had the best of the best. Th YJs.

Why are you people here, jealousy will get you know where. Your LI Elite tournament was a bust, YJ thats it.. Hofstra had many more clubs .. end ogf story .... Go away

Other LI clubs actually like Togguns, thats why they go to topguns tourney and not that dumb [lacrosse] YJ tournament.

Express, Liberty, 91, LI wave, south shore surf, LI Raid, togz, all LI teams that were not at the YJ tourney.... what a shame

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice to see the Maryland teams and Mass teams at Hofstra Tourney this weekend. Even nicer when I went home to my bed and they were all in the parking lot talking about what hotel they were staying in.

Heros and Integrity don't count when saying Maryland teams showed up. You all know there are really only 2.5 that matter. (TLC gets a half)

Compared to Beach Bums & CT Grizzlies at the Elite showcase?

But Elte showcase also had the best of the best. Th YJs.

Why are you people here, jealousy will get you know where. Your LI Elite tournament was a bust, YJ thats it.. Hofstra had many more clubs .. end ogf story .... Go away

The best teams were at Elite. I realize you all needed to play in a tournament that you might actually win. That's ok. See ya next year TGs at the U15 national.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice to see the Maryland teams and Mass teams at Hofstra Tourney this weekend. Even nicer when I went home to my bed and they were all in the parking lot talking about what hotel they were staying in.

Heros and Integrity don't count when saying Maryland teams showed up. You all know there are really only 2.5 that matter. (TLC gets a half)

Compared to Beach Bums & CT Grizzlies at the Elite showcase?

But Elte showcase also had the best of the best. Th YJs.

Why are you people here, jealousy will get you know where. Your LI Elite tournament was a bust, YJ thats it.. Hofstra had many more clubs .. end ogf story .... Go away

The best teams were at Elite. I realize you all needed to play in a tournament that you might actually win. That's ok. See ya next year TGs at the U15 national.

Both tournaments suck. If they were any good, IWLCA would support them, there would be hundreds of teams participating and college coaches attending. You people from LI can't get out of your own way. See you in MD and VA next summer at the good tournaments!

M&D 2019 does not lose to the aforementioned teams. Nice try though

I'm sorry I have to say this as this just gets more ridiculous the longer it goes on. Do any of you have a controlling interest in any of these clubs? Do you make any money when you stand up for one club or another or when you degrade another? (BTW my daughter plays for TG) No right?

So why in the world do you fight like cats and dogs about who's better, has better tournaments, better coaches etc. Do you do this at work also when you work at competing companies? My accounting firm is better than yours! Or fight about cable being better than satellite?

To each his own. Every club has good and bad points and its your opinion on which club runs their operation better. Again you don't own them so why do you fight so hard for them?? It's a business!! Baffling.

Waa waa waaaaa. Quit your crying because YJ & TG are the only relevant teams on the Isle. All other teams need to shut it up and quit the sport. Get off the boards while you're at it. Your opinions dont matter to us

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice to see the Maryland teams and Mass teams at Hofstra Tourney this weekend. Even nicer when I went home to my bed and they were all in the parking lot talking about what hotel they were staying in.

Heros and Integrity don't count when saying Maryland teams showed up. You all know there are really only 2.5 that matter. (TLC gets a half)

Compared to Beach Bums & CT Grizzlies at the Elite showcase?

Please confirm - I heard that the Hero's team won the 2019 division. It also looks like that same Hero's 2019 team has beaten the M&D black and Skywalkers Blue teams along with that TLC 2019 red team. Yes, definitely better competion than Beach Bums and CT Grizzlies or Westchester Rev.

No, Heros has not beaten M&D Black 2019, TLC 2019 Red or Skywalkers 2019 Blue. Not even close. They probably have beaten their "B" teams, but who doesn't? Heros is a legit club that is definitely better than the second tier LI teams(Elevate, Liberty, etc), but not near the level of the top teams.

Same as TG, TLC and Skywalkers have some only OK A-teams in some years. M and D is really the only other club in the country that is strong every year like Yellow Jackets.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Compared to Beach Bums & CT Grizzlies at the Elite showcase?

Beach Bums 2021 Beat the YJ Thorn Team in 2021. We can't compete with the top team, but this is their supposed "2nd team". What a waste to pay that kind of money, makes me happy about my decision to have my daughter play beach bums.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Compared to Beach Bums & CT Grizzlies at the Elite showcase?

Beach Bums 2021 Beat the YJ Thorn Team in 2021. We can't compete with the top team, but this is their supposed "2nd team". What a waste to pay that kind of money, makes me happy about my decision to have my daughter play beach bums.

That's a lie. I believe it was a tie at best and the skill level wasn't even close. BB are dirtly players that wouldn't make a yj team.

Doesn't everybody make a YJ team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Compared to Beach Bums & CT Grizzlies at the Elite showcase?

Beach Bums 2021 Beat the YJ Thorn Team in 2021. We can't compete with the top team, but this is their supposed "2nd team". What a waste to pay that kind of money, makes me happy about my decision to have my daughter play beach bums.

I've seen the Beach bums play. They are a good rec team, nothing more. In 3 years the top 3 or 4 will leave.

That's a lie. I believe it was a tie at best and the skill level wasn't even close. BB are dirtly players that wouldn't make a yj team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same as TG, TLC and Skywalkers have some only OK A-teams in some years. M and D is really the only other club in the country that is strong every year like Yellow Jackets.

Skywalkers are run a bit differently. They really do not put any effort into winning at the young age groups. Therefore, currently their 2020 and 2021 teams are not very good. However, by the time their teams reach 7th/8th grade they are typically one of the better teams around. I know at the 2018 and 2019 level that Skywalkers has recently had the better of their M&D counterparts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesn't everybody make a YJ team?

YJ Motto = YOU pay YOU play

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Compared to Beach Bums & CT Grizzlies at the Elite showcase?

Beach Bums 2021 Beat the YJ Thorn Team in 2021. We can't compete with the top team, but this is their supposed "2nd team". What a waste to pay that kind of money, makes me happy about my decision to have my daughter play beach bums.

Come back in four or five years and see how sticking with beach bums works out for you. Public opinion question? Would you rather play on YJ second team or BB top team?
I will cast the first vote....Not even close YJ by a mile.

More like: YOU pay, YOU get to sit and watch everything flow through the chosen few....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Compared to Beach Bums & CT Grizzlies at the Elite showcase?

Beach Bums 2021 Beat the YJ Thorn Team in 2021. We can't compete with the top team, but this is their supposed "2nd team". What a waste to pay that kind of money, makes me happy about my decision to have my daughter play beach bums.

That's a lie. I believe it was a tie at best and the skill level wasn't even close. BB are dirtly players that wouldn't make a yj team.

Actually they tied at Babylon Lax Blast, and we won (BB) by one this weekend. No dirty play, your two ball hogs kept driving the net, then dropping it. We would pick it up and then score. We wouldn't know about your team's skills, they never passed the ball. Even when you got the ball on the defensive side, your own coach was yelling for the yj player to run the ball down the field, didn't seem like the coaches had faith in your throwing and catching skills. We won by 1, but c'mon not bad for girls who wouldn't make the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesn't everybody make a YJ team?

YJ Motto = YOU pay YOU play

Correction, you pay to be on the team. You have to pay extra if you want to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Compared to Beach Bums & CT Grizzlies at the Elite showcase?

Beach Bums 2021 Beat the YJ Thorn Team in 2021. We can't compete with the top team, but this is their supposed "2nd team". What a waste to pay that kind of money, makes me happy about my decision to have my daughter play beach bums.

That's a lie. I believe it was a tie at best and the skill level wasn't even close. BB are dirtly players that wouldn't make a yj team.

Actually they tied at Babylon Lax Blast, and we won (BB) by one this weekend. No dirty play, your two ball hogs kept driving the net, then dropping it. We would pick it up and then score. We wouldn't know about your team's skills, they never passed the ball. Even when you got the ball on the defensive side, your own coach was yelling for the yj player to run the ball down the field, didn't seem like the coaches had faith in your throwing and catching skills. We won by 1, but c'mon not bad for girls who wouldn't make the team.

Are you the mommy of the kid that was cut from the A team and went to BB. A little bitter?

Not exactly a lot of ball movement by the BBums either this past weekend. A few stand outs that kept the ball between themselves, much like the YJ Thorn team.
I was just glad to see only 1 YJ girl knocked on her butt compared to the numerous cheap shots they had to take from the BBums at the Babylon tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not exactly a lot of ball movement by the BBums either this past weekend. A few stand outs that kept the ball between themselves, much like the YJ Thorn team.
I was just glad to see only 1 YJ girl knocked on her butt compared to the numerous cheap shots they had to take from the BBums at the Babylon tournament.

Speaking of Babylon blast how did beach buns do? They put their team in the 2 Nd division and still didn't make playoffs. List to liberty 2nd team. Not impressive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same as TG, TLC and Skywalkers have some only OK A-teams in some years. M and D is really the only other club in the country that is strong every year like Yellow Jackets.

Skywalkers are run a bit differently. They really do not put any effort into winning at the young age groups. Therefore, currently their 2020 and 2021 teams are not very good. However, by the time their teams reach 7th/8th grade they are typically one of the better teams around. I know at the 2018 and 2019 level that Skywalkers has recently had the better of their M&D counterparts.

Skywalker 2020's had 16 kids on the roster for national draw and the three studs never came out of the game, is that not playing to win?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesn't everybody make a YJ team?

Yes!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesn't everybody make a YJ team?

Yes!

They are trying to get 2020 and younger to 7 teams per age group. Notice no mention of colors anywhere anymore, just coaches names.

My friends kid got cut so that's not true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My friends kid got cut so that's not true

Check must have bounced.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My friends kid got cut so that's not true

Got cut from YJ? That's not easy to do!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My friends kid got cut so that's not true

Got cut from YJ? That's not easy to do!

YOU can NOT get cut from YJ - that is NOT possible. They will take anyone's money. They may have gotten moved to another team but the did NOT get cut. That is why YJ has their try-outs so late in the year. They can pick up all the scraps that dont end up somewhere else and put them on the 3rd/4th/5th/6th/7th team and make as many teams as they want with the spare kids regardless of talent. You can not get cut, they will put you somewhere as long as your check clears.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My friends kid got cut so that's not true

Got cut from YJ? That's not easy to do!

YOU can NOT get cut from YJ - that is NOT possible. They will take anyone's money. They may have gotten moved to another team but the did NOT get cut. That is why YJ has their try-outs so late in the year. They can pick up all the scraps that dont end up somewhere else and put them on the 3rd/4th/5th/6th/7th team and make as many teams as they want with the spare kids regardless of talent. You can not get cut, they will put you somewhere as long as your check clears.

There were cuts last year, 2021 for sure. It probably came down to numbers and not having enough for a fourth team and not wanting to put 28 on the third team but a few did not make it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My friends kid got cut so that's not true

Got cut from YJ? That's not easy to do!

YOU can NOT get cut from YJ - that is NOT possible. They will take anyone's money. They may have gotten moved to another team but the did NOT get cut. That is why YJ has their try-outs so late in the year. They can pick up all the scraps that dont end up somewhere else and put them on the 3rd/4th/5th/6th/7th team and make as many teams as they want with the spare kids regardless of talent. You can not get cut, they will put you somewhere as long as your check clears.

There were cuts last year, 2021 for sure. It probably came down to numbers and not having enough for a fourth team and not wanting to put 28 on the third team but a few did not make it.

And those who were cut played on other teams. One of goose teams was The Beach Bums

Does the Top Guns Play in any Fall Tournaments in the younger years (2022-2020's)? If so is it run through the club, or does a few parents get together and enter a team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does the Top Guns Play in any Fall Tournaments in the younger years (2022-2020's)? If so is it run through the club, or does a few parents get together and enter a team?

Call Bill Smith and ask him, his contact info is on their website

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does the Top Guns Play in any Fall Tournaments in the younger years (2022-2020's)? If so is it run through the club, or does a few parents get together and enter a team?

Call Bill Smith and ask him, his contact info is on their website

Didn't want to bother anyone with such a general question. Just trying to gather some info for deciding where to tryout (move from another club) my daughters (I don't want any input other than my original question as I have been gathering info on all programs and TG is the one I am leaning towards but I just wanted to know if they play any fall tournaments).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My friends kid got cut so that's not true

Got cut from YJ? That's not easy to do!

YOU can NOT get cut from YJ - that is NOT possible. They will take anyone's money. They may have gotten moved to another team but the did NOT get cut. That is why YJ has their try-outs so late in the year. They can pick up all the scraps that dont end up somewhere else and put them on the 3rd/4th/5th/6th/7th team and make as many teams as they want with the spare kids regardless of talent. You can not get cut, they will put you somewhere as long as your check clears.

Too funny your U 15 team loses to 3 rd level YJ team, a team according to you made up of scraps that don't make a team anywhere else. What exactly does that make your TG team , sorry meant your top TG team not the one your daughter is on .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My friends kid got cut so that's not true

Got cut from YJ? That's not easy to do!

YOU can NOT get cut from YJ - that is NOT possible. They will take anyone's money. They may have gotten moved to another team but the did NOT get cut. That is why YJ has their try-outs so late in the year. They can pick up all the scraps that dont end up somewhere else and put them on the 3rd/4th/5th/6th/7th team and make as many teams as they want with the spare kids regardless of talent. You can not get cut, they will put you somewhere as long as your check clears.

Too funny your U 15 team loses to 3 rd level YJ team, a team according to you made up of scraps that don't make a team anywhere else. What exactly does that make your TG team , sorry meant your top TG team not the one your daughter is on .

First of all, you have no idea what age or what team the posters daughter is on. Second of all, there were no 3rd level YJ teams at U15, so your post makes no sense, but nice try

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does the Top Guns Play in any Fall Tournaments in the younger years (2022-2020's)? If so is it run through the club, or does a few parents get together and enter a team?

Call Bill Smith and ask him, his contact info is on their website

Didn't want to bother anyone with such a general question. Just trying to gather some info for deciding where to tryout (move from another club) my daughters (I don't want any input other than my original question as I have been gathering info on all programs and TG is the one I am leaning towards but I just wanted to know if they play any fall tournaments).

Sorry they do not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does the Top Guns Play in any Fall Tournaments in the younger years (2022-2020's)? If so is it run through the club, or does a few parents get together and enter a team?

Call Bill Smith and ask him, his contact info is on their website

Didn't want to bother anyone with such a general question. Just trying to gather some info for deciding where to tryout (move from another club) my daughters (I don't want any input other than my original question as I have been gathering info on all programs and TG is the one I am leaning towards but I just wanted to know if they play any fall tournaments).

Sorry they do not.

Some teams do. Give Bill a call.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does the Top Guns Play in any Fall Tournaments in the younger years (2022-2020's)? If so is it run through the club, or does a few parents get together and enter a team?

Nope. 2017 had 1 fall tournament that was a joke.

They actually have a series of fall tournaments they offer as optional that are run by Shannon at Hofstra. Many of the actual coaches are away at school by then but parents and hofstra players usually coach or rotate players in and out anyway.

You can call but even if they tell you there is fall/winter stuff its awful. The winter league for our team consists of two dads not top guns coaches. Once the dads run the winter league they feel they are in charge all summer. Constant in the coaches ears.

Fall tournaments same, top guns tells the dads if they want to organize it go ahead again do you really join travel for dad coaches that do not even know lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does the Top Guns Play in any Fall Tournaments in the younger years (2022-2020's)? If so is it run through the club, or does a few parents get together and enter a team?

Nope. 2017 had 1 fall tournament that was a joke.

Not true, depends on which team...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can call but even if they tell you there is fall/winter stuff its awful. The winter league for our team consists of two dads not top guns coaches. Once the dads run the winter league they feel they are in charge all summer. Constant in the coaches ears.

Fall tournaments same, top guns tells the dads if they want to organize it go ahead again do you really join travel for dad coaches that do not even know lacrosse.

Goodbye and good luck on YJ Team 5!

Keep believing. Huge gap between the two clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can call but even if they tell you there is fall/winter stuff its awful. The winter league for our team consists of two dads not top guns coaches. Once the dads run the winter league they feel they are in charge all summer. Constant in the coaches ears.

Fall tournaments same, top guns tells the dads if they want to organize it go ahead again do you really join travel for dad coaches that do not even know lacrosse.

From my experience, no matter what club you play for, you are better off to go find some pickup teams to play with (IMO). We actually/usually turn down the offers to play off season with the club. Many lacrosse opportunities fall and winter are 7v7, these club teams are 24 on roster, already way too big for even the 12v12 tournaments. It is great to go out and do stuff on your own accord rather then the packaged club crap. Your travel club has many players and parents that you were placed on a team with. Some are great, some are not (on and off the field). I love doing the, off season stuff, out of club. Picture going to tournaments you chose, with just the right amount of subs, comprised of players that play a style of lacrosse you agree with, all with parents you can tolerate standing next to on the sidelines. Alternative, go play with your club at some crappy tournament that is probably making your club director even richer, sit on the sidelines with piles of girls waiting to get in the game as you watch the same girls you watched all summer continue to force it everytime they touch the ball, all the while standing next to an obnoxious parent screaming " go to goal". Have fun with that.

Grow up. Not everything is about the yellow jackets. The question raised and answered was about top guns. The point is the Smiths should have lax players run the programs not dads

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep believing. Huge gap between the two clubs.

Again, depends on which teams you're talking about, for both clubs. The generalizations are just a big waste of time

I like that Elevate is keeping roster size to 20 for recruiting years and 22 for others.. it would be nice

"First of all, you have no idea what age or what team the posters daughter is on. Second of all, there were no 3rd level YJ teams at U15, so your post makes no sense, but nice try"

YJ sent 3 U15 teams , so yes one of them is a 3rd level YJ u15 team, not that hard to comprehend unless your mind just cannot accept that YJ is just that much deeper than TG. Not a knock on any of those YJ teams or players just the facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"First of all, you have no idea what age or what team the posters daughter is on. Second of all, there were no 3rd level YJ teams at U15, so your post makes no sense, but nice try"

YJ sent 3 U15 teams , so yes one of them is a 3rd level YJ u15 team, not that hard to comprehend unless your mind just cannot accept that YJ is just that much deeper than TG. Not a knock on any of those YJ teams or players just the facts.

They sent two A teams and a B team. There was no 3rd level team there

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I like that Elevate is keeping roster size to 20 for recruiting years and 22 for others.. it would be nice

You think TG would move to that model?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"First of all, you have no idea what age or what team the posters daughter is on. Second of all, there were no 3rd level YJ teams at U15, so your post makes no sense, but nice try"

YJ sent 3 U15 teams , so yes one of them is a 3rd level YJ u15 team, not that hard to comprehend unless your mind just cannot accept that YJ is just that much deeper than TG. Not a knock on any of those YJ teams or players just the facts.

They sent two A teams and a B team. There was no 3rd level team there

You really are a moron , its a U15 tournament, they sent 3 U15 teams , one is the best , one is second best and one is third best. Its no big deal , at the U15 grouping your TG team lost to the third best YJ team in the U15 age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I like that Elevate is keeping roster size to 20 for recruiting years and 22 for others.. it would be nice

You think TG would move to that model?

Teams would be much better if they did. Black and purple kids would end up on the white team and the white team would be drastically better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I like that Elevate is keeping roster size to 20 for recruiting years and 22 for others.. it would be nice

You think TG would move to that model?

Teams would be much better if they did. Black and purple kids would end up on the white team and the white team would be drastically better.

Agreed, especially important to the recruiting years, excellent idea

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I like that Elevate is keeping roster size to 20 for recruiting years and 22 for others.. it would be nice

You think TG would move to that model?

Teams would be much better if they did. Black and purple kids would end up on the white team and the white team would be drastically better.

Even better cut it to 18 per team. Charge $500 more to cover costs, half the top players from all the other overloaded roster clubs would be lining up. Nobady, repeat nobody wants 24 on a roster. First club to go to 18 elite will change the landscape of travel.

It will work for the younger ages but as soon as half the team starts to committ the committed players stop traveling . Soon enough with the way the recruiting landscape is the rising senior classes wil stop playing in showcase tournaments since every player will be committed .

24 kids work if the coaches dont get involved with a win at all costs mind set and put some effort into rotating the players equally. When kids start to committ start giving the uncommitted more playing time or put some uncommitted on the first line with the studs who could help them. After the 5 or 6 great players on a team the rest if chosen correctly should all be pretty good players and should all get a chance to contribute in a stressful tight game in front of recruiters. Yes its a lot easy said than done and would take at least 3 coaches per team to achieve. Its tough keeping everyone satisified but after your child is committed it takes alot of pressure off of everyone involved.

OK YJ put you money where your mouth is. Have Ms Rose contact SM and have your 2018(ROSE) team play TG 2018 Black. Enough of the BS lets get it on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK YJ put you money where your mouth is. Have Ms Rose contact SM and have your 2018(ROSE) team play TG 2018 Black. Enough of the BS lets get it on.

What does the above statement have to do with having 24 kids on a team if that was what you were referring to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK YJ put you money where your mouth is. Have Ms Rose contact SM and have your 2018(ROSE) team play TG 2018 Black. Enough of the BS lets get it on.

Better do it quick. The TG team is going to change very soon after tryouts are over.

Sounds so simple! Why doesn't every coach take your advice!? Because you obviously live in a bubble. It's not so simple ding dong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I like that Elevate is keeping roster size to 20 for recruiting years and 22 for others.. it would be nice

You think TG would move to that model?

Teams would be much better if they did. Black and purple kids would end up on the white team and the white team would be drastically better.

Even better cut it to 18 per team. Charge $500 more to cover costs, half the top players from all the other overloaded roster clubs would be lining up. Nobady, repeat nobody wants 24 on a roster. First club to go to 18 elite will change the landscape of travel.

Capital in VA limits teams to 19 or 20 and still, some of the top VA kids still haul all the way to Baltimore to play on larger Skywalkers and M&D teams. Been doing it for years and haven't changed the landscape. Top dogs are going to get their minutes and exposure regardless of how many kids are on the team.

Very very few VA girls playing Baltimore. They pull here & there from a lot of places, including throughout MD, but VA isn't one of them. Majority (8-9 out of 10) of Baltimore clubs are from Baltimore

Live in a bubble, really first off the college kid coaching does not determine the size of the roster the owners of the club do. Any owner is in this club game to make money if you have not realized that you are living in fanasty land. Another fact not every kid is going to get recruited. So cut your roster to 20 players and put one good team on the field and three watered down teams so the owners maximize profit and make everyone happy because their child is not quite good enough to be on the top team. Make two strong teams and develop the reputation of the club. Do you really think recruiters are looking at a third team of 2016s?Unless you play for TG or YJ or against them no recruiter is looking at Team 3. SORRY.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds so simple! Why doesn't every coach take your advice!? Because you obviously live in a bubble. It's not so simple ding dong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK YJ put you money where your mouth is. Have Ms Rose contact SM and have your 2018(ROSE) team play TG 2018 Black. Enough of the BS lets get it on.

Better do it quick. The TG team is going to change very soon after tryouts are over.

You think the 2018 TG Black team will change significantly?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK YJ put you money where your mouth is. Have Ms Rose contact SM and have your 2018(ROSE) team play TG 2018 Black. Enough of the BS lets get it on.

Better do it quick. The TG team is going to change very soon after tryouts are over.

You think the 2018 TG Black team will change significantly?

That team already had a near 100% turnover. One or two original kids left. Never heard of any team with such a drastic change of roster. Many were pushed off, many walked away. Seems like TG was trying to bring in a group that were highly developed when they were younger. That's great for an instant improvement, but those players are already near the ceiling, instead of developing players. The biggest difference between TG and YJ is YJ is all about player development, TG is looking to swap kids out with players developed elsewhere. Anyway back to the original question, would you expect a significant roster change this year? History says yes, but the one town source must be close to being tapped out.

Of course they are in it to make money and more power to them. Not all coaches are college kids (actually most of the good ones are not). Is recruiting the only reason you allow your kid to play anymore? If there are enough kids to field a 5th or even a 10th team, let them play. If the parents are half as smart as you they won't have preconceived notions that their kid will be getting a scholarship. 24 kids on a team? That's crazy! Let's for argument sake say 2 goalies, 6 attackers, 6 defenders. That leaves TEN midfielders!! The games are only 45 minutes of running time. Good luck making everyone happy. Good luck with that. All the more reason for people on this board to complain.

They recruit players not teams . If a player makes contact they will watch them play. Lots of college rosters filled with 2nd and 3rd team players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They recruit players not teams . If a player makes contact they will watch them play. Lots of college rosters filled with 2nd and 3rd team players.

According to most everyone on these threads only top team players from top clubs get commitments. Lets see how that math works out... Again the sentiment on these threads is there are about 6 or 8 clubs top teams who would possibly contend for u15. Lets go high call it 8, now times by 25 kids/ team you have 200 kids we all can agree would attract college coach attention. You have 200plus D1& D2 programs accepting 10 incoming freshmen. That's 2000 kids. Turntheys out these college coaches must have to hold their noses as the pick the other 1800 kids per year off the trash teams.

Just because you contact a college it does not guarantee that they will come to watch you play & watch how many recruiters come to watch the top teams play. You will be surprised. Your best bet is too be a TG or YJ. Sorry everyone else. Not all 200 DI & DII offer scholarships and most are not fully funded. So six scholarships for four years doesn't leave too much money for your 10 incoming freshman. Fully funded schools have 12 scholarships for 4 years that equates to 3 scholarships per incoming class so you split 3 into 6 half scholarships that leaves 4 of your incoming freshman with Zero money. So believe it or not there is not enough scholarship money for your 2000 kids playing. The big time players earn full scholarships and that makes 12 into 11 scholarships two big time players makes it 10. So that doesn't leave a lot of money for the 1800 kids that play for the trash teams. So play for a top team if you interested in earning some money for school or play on a trash team for the fun of the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just because you contact a college it does not guarantee that they will come to watch you play & watch how many recruiters come to watch the top teams play. You will be surprised. Your best bet is too be a TG or YJ. Sorry everyone else. Not all 200 DI & DII offer scholarships and most are not fully funded. So six scholarships for four years doesn't leave too much money for your 10 incoming freshman. Fully funded schools have 12 scholarships for 4 years that equates to 3 scholarships per incoming class so you split 3 into 6 half scholarships that leaves 4 of your incoming freshman with Zero money. So believe it or not there is not enough scholarship money for your 2000 kids playing. The big time players earn full scholarships and that makes 12 into 11 scholarships two big time players makes it 10. So that doesn't leave a lot of money for the 1800 kids that play for the trash teams. So play for a top team if you interested in earning some money for school or play on a trash team for the fun of the game.

Everyone out there be careful, this is what drinking koolaid for too many years can do to your head.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just because you contact a college it does not guarantee that they will come to watch you play & watch how many recruiters come to watch the top teams play. You will be surprised. Your best bet is too be a TG or YJ. Sorry everyone else. Not all 200 DI & DII offer scholarships and most are not fully funded. So six scholarships for four years doesn't leave too much money for your 10 incoming freshman. Fully funded schools have 12 scholarships for 4 years that equates to 3 scholarships per incoming class so you split 3 into 6 half scholarships that leaves 4 of your incoming freshman with Zero money. So believe it or not there is not enough scholarship money for your 2000 kids playing. The big time players earn full scholarships and that makes 12 into 11 scholarships two big time players makes it 10. So that doesn't leave a lot of money for the 1800 kids that play for the trash teams. So play for a top team if you interested in earning some money for school or play on a trash team for the fun of the game.

Everyone out there be careful, this is what drinking koolaid for too many years can do to your head.

My Daughter plays TG and is being recruited by around a dozen schools from all 3 divisions. of the 12 she contacted 10 herself prior. Unless your child is an absolute standout you need to make the initial contact. Coaches are at games to watch players not teams. They want players who want them not just the high elite player who only wants to play at the top ten schools. As an individual is not about how many coaches are at your daughters game it's who is at her games that matters. If you contact they will come.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just because you contact a college it does not guarantee that they will come to watch you play & watch how many recruiters come to watch the top teams play. You will be surprised. Your best bet is too be a TG or YJ. Sorry everyone else. Not all 200 DI & DII offer scholarships and most are not fully funded. So six scholarships for four years doesn't leave too much money for your 10 incoming freshman. Fully funded schools have 12 scholarships for 4 years that equates to 3 scholarships per incoming class so you split 3 into 6 half scholarships that leaves 4 of your incoming freshman with Zero money. So believe it or not there is not enough scholarship money for your 2000 kids playing. The big time players earn full scholarships and that makes 12 into 11 scholarships two big time players makes it 10. So that doesn't leave a lot of money for the 1800 kids that play for the trash teams. So play for a top team if you interested in earning some money for school or play on a trash team for the fun of the game.

I find it funny that TG people have anointed themselves at the top. You won one U15 tournament. What else have you won? YJ 17's beat your 17's 16-0 in MD. Why are you at the top - what have you accomplished?

we've been over this. TG strong but not elite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

we've been over this. TG strong but not elite

Your are correct TG is a strong club not elite. But, how many years have they been around about 5. It takes time to build a program especially today with the abundance of Club Teams. Years ago you maybe only handful to choose from. In time they can be come Elite. A TG Parent

IT depends how you define elite. some of their age groups are top 5. example 2016 black 1-0 yj blue, 1-1 hero's,2-1 skywalkers blue, 0-1 M&D black, this past summer.

This HAS TO BE a YJ parent trying to poke the fire. LOL!!

Lets do the math on this...
TG collected their eligible 2016, best 2017s,and best 2018 girls and put 1 team into the U15 National in CO.... In their mind, the "best" opportunity to win the U15 Nationals.

SO are you suggesting THAT TG U15 Team would lose to their own TG 2018 Black Team if they were able to play each other? ... because the team they sent to U15 got smoked by YJ17 Gold(2nd) Team and the Yellow Jacket 2018 Rose Team.

In your opinion TG should have sent the TG 2018 Black Team instead? Then why didn't they?

What makes you think a pure TG 2018 Black would even have a shot at the YJ 2018 Blue (Rose) Team. I'd spot you 10 goals.

Once again this post had to be started by a YJ parent because no TG parent would open the door to a reality check. Sorry I bit on the bait.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just because you contact a college it does not guarantee that they will come to watch you play & watch how many recruiters come to watch the top teams play. You will be surprised. Your best bet is too be a TG or YJ. Sorry everyone else. Not all 200 DI & DII offer scholarships and most are not fully funded. So six scholarships for four years doesn't leave too much money for your 10 incoming freshman. Fully funded schools have 12 scholarships for 4 years that equates to 3 scholarships per incoming class so you split 3 into 6 half scholarships that leaves 4 of your incoming freshman with Zero money. So believe it or not there is not enough scholarship money for your 2000 kids playing. The big time players earn full scholarships and that makes 12 into 11 scholarships two big time players makes it 10. So that doesn't leave a lot of money for the 1800 kids that play for the trash teams. So play for a top team if you interested in earning some money for school or play on a trash team for the fun of the game.

Everyone out there be careful, this is what drinking koolaid for too many years can do to your head.

Explain the koolaid comment and continue to play for Elevate ,91, The Wave and see how it works out for you. I know how it worked out for me and my kid was no superstar & it worked out much better than I can ever imagine. Its all in the eye of the beholder. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just because you contact a college it does not guarantee that they will come to watch you play & watch how many recruiters come to watch the top teams play. You will be surprised. Your best bet is too be a TG or YJ. Sorry everyone else. Not all 200 DI & DII offer scholarships and most are not fully funded. So six scholarships for four years doesn't leave too much money for your 10 incoming freshman. Fully funded schools have 12 scholarships for 4 years that equates to 3 scholarships per incoming class so you split 3 into 6 half scholarships that leaves 4 of your incoming freshman with Zero money. So believe it or not there is not enough scholarship money for your 2000 kids playing. The big time players earn full scholarships and that makes 12 into 11 scholarships two big time players makes it 10. So that doesn't leave a lot of money for the 1800 kids that play for the trash teams. So play for a top team if you interested in earning some money for school or play on a trash team for the fun of the game.

Everyone out there be careful, this is what drinking koolaid for too many years can do to your head.

Explain the koolaid comment and continue to play for Elevate ,91, The Wave and see how it works out for you. I know how it worked out for me and my kid was no superstar & it worked out much better than I can ever imagine. Its all in the eye of the beholder. Good luck.

You forgot bench bums.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very very few VA girls playing Baltimore. They pull here & there from a lot of places, including throughout MD, but VA isn't one of them. Majority (8-9 out of 10) of Baltimore clubs are from Baltimore

Nobody said lots of VA kids do, just that smaller teams won't magically initiate some tectonic shift in girls club lacrosse. Fact is, probably any of those VA kids that play on M&D or Skywalkers top teams could play on Capitals top team which is smaller, closer to home and competitive. For whatever reason, they don't want to.

And you think a recruiter is looking at a tg third team like white? Or even purple? Lol. You're silly

Your a joke. Really 10 goals. How muck you got tough guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And you think a recruiter is looking at a tg third team like white? Or even purple? Lol. You're silly

TG 15 Purple roster has only two girls that are not yet committed .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And you think a recruiter is looking at a tg third team like white? Or even purple? Lol. You're silly

Purple definitely. White no.

The issue with purple and black is there are a good 6 or 7 girls who are on the wrong teams- this according to the coaches. I have NO horse in this race before the nasty comments start! My daughter is no longer on TG, she decided to play softball, but niece still plays on 17 team. I agree with a previous poster- there is a big opportunity to create 2 strong teams of 20. Put aside the almighty income generated and focus on the girls who are strong defenders, and offenders who can set up plays. Anyone can "go to the goal" as a black dad constantly screams, but a unified balanced team of 20 will crush any opponent. At the very least there should be goalie changes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The issue with purple and black is there are a good 6 or 7 girls who are on the wrong teams- this according to the coaches. I have NO horse in this race before the nasty comments start! My daughter is no longer on TG, she decided to play softball, but niece still plays on 17 team. I agree with a previous poster- there is a big opportunity to create 2 strong teams of 20. Put aside the almighty income generated and focus on the girls who are strong defenders, and offenders who can set up plays. Anyone can "go to the goal" as a black dad constantly screams, but a unified balanced team of 20 will crush any opponent. At the very least there should be goalie changes.

The teams are coached for middies to "go to the goal" and attack is told to get out of the way

The funny thing is you dont even comment and say you can win... you just think the 10 goals are too much. To your point and I agree... YJ 2018 Blue beats TG 2018 Black outright every time ..no matter how many times they play.
By 10 or By 1 the record book would look the same.

Really? Last and only time they played it was a storm shortened 2-2 tie ...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really? Last and only time they played it was a storm shortened 2-2 tie ...

Sadly that was a few years ago. How many girls on the current teams even played in that game? for TGs maybe two. All you can go by is recent tournament success, the yj team shows strong, TG team going the other way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best thing about the Top Guns it is a family organization that puts the girls first. It's NOT take the money and make as many teams needed like some of the other larger ones.

Yeh! The father of this family is nuts, and his kid went thru the YJ program!

TG is a family organization? Seriously? You dont see anyone hanging out at tournaments, parents talk about each other to no end and so do the kids. The only thing family about it is that all the money you give them goes to ONE family.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

I'm interested in hearing what Top Guns participants have to say about their program. We played a few of their teams in winter leagues and I liked what I saw but know nothing about the organization and pricing. Anyone?

The parents are mean, the kids are what the parents make them and the people running it only care about $$$$ and certain kids. The 2nd teams are not very good and the third teams are plain awful. It was a horrible bonding experience for my kid. Not an environment I would ever want to expose my next child to when she is ready. I would do YJ or Elevate before I would take them to TG especially if they could not make the first team. But trust me, you will not like the environment that the first team brings - been there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best thing about the Top Guns it is a family organization that puts the girls first. It's NOT take the money and make as many teams needed like some of the other larger ones.

Yeh! The father of this family is nuts, and his kid went thru the YJ program!

TG is a family organization? Seriously? You dont see anyone hanging out at tournaments, parents talk about each other to no end and so do the kids. The only thing family about it is that all the money you give them goes to ONE family.

Not a TG parent but I have heard much of that and have witnessed it at tournaments. I approached a TG parent and asked them what the TG culture was like (2018 Purple Parent) and they seemed to say much of the same. Very cutthroat, but you and your child may be looking for that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

I'm interested in hearing what Top Guns participants have to say about their program. We played a few of their teams in winter leagues and I liked what I saw but know nothing about the organization and pricing. Anyone?

The parents are mean, the kids are what the parents make them and the people running it only care about $$$$ and certain kids. The 2nd teams are not very good and the third teams are plain awful. It was a horrible bonding experience for my kid. Not an environment I would ever want to expose my next child to when she is ready. I would do YJ or Elevate before I would take them to TG especially if they could not make the first team. But trust me, you will not like the environment that the first team brings - been there.

Left and went to fl$. Skills are not great but the people are civil.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

I'm interested in hearing what Top Guns participants have to say about their program. We played a few of their teams in winter leagues and I liked what I saw but know nothing about the organization and pricing. Anyone?

The parents are mean, the kids are what the parents make them and the people running it only care about $$$$ and certain kids. The 2nd teams are not very good and the third teams are plain awful. It was a horrible bonding experience for my kid. Not an environment I would ever want to expose my next child to when she is ready. I would do YJ or Elevate before I would take them to TG especially if they could not make the first team. But trust me, you will not like the environment that the first team brings - been there.

Left and went to fl$. Skills are not great but the people are civil.

I have daughters at 2 age groups and it is the right fit for us. Yes, there are bumps in the road and some parents who are just downright crazy, but you get that in any organization. It is more about what you and your daughter are looking to get out of it. Both mine play on black. We have formed great relationships with some families and have avoided others. It is the nature of the beast. It is not 24/7 in your face lacrosse which allows my daughters to play other sports also at the travel level. There will always be that bitter player or parent who felt their daughter should be getting more PT or more attention no matter where you go. No complaints on our end and we will be staying for the 4th year. BTW my daughters are not the "go to" girls in tough games and we/they are fine with that. They still get plenty of playing time and they understand the meaning of working hard to get to that spot. Good luck with your decision, but it is best if you see for yourself and not base decisions on responses from this board

Daughter plays on an older purple team parent get along great. Daughter has great experience plenty of fun, good competition and great recruiting opportunities . That's all I could ask for

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

I'm interested in hearing what Top Guns participants have to say about their program. We played a few of their teams in winter leagues and I liked what I saw but know nothing about the organization and pricing. Anyone?

The parents are mean, the kids are what the parents make them and the people running it only care about $$$$ and certain kids. The 2nd teams are not very good and the third teams are plain awful. It was a horrible bonding experience for my kid. Not an environment I would ever want to expose my next child to when she is ready. I would do YJ or Elevate before I would take them to TG especially if they could not make the first team. But trust me, you will not like the environment that the first team brings - been there.

"The parents are mean"? What an ignorant overgeneralization! We switched to TG two summers ago, and we love it! Our daughter was welcomed from day one, by her teammates and the Smiths, and it's a great fit for our family. It all depends on what you're looking for, and which team you're on.

YJ and TG people are cut from the same cloth. If you don't get caught up in the nonsense and aren't concerned about all the politics you'll be fine. Competition brings out the best and worst in people.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

IT depends how you define elite. some of their age groups are top 5. example 2016 black 1-0 yj blue, 1-1 hero's,2-1 skywalkers blue, 0-1 M&D black, this past summer.

That's just shows you are not elite, your 2016 has never won a competitive tournament , you beat a combined YJ team at a showcase tournament when high school teams were still in playoffs . Your record against YJ blue at 2016 ion championship format is 0- however many times you have played. This is an MD parent and your teams are not cannot be compared. I still believe we are better than YH 2016 but will say the teams are very very close, you are not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

IT depends how you define elite. some of their age groups are top 5. example 2016 black 1-0 yj blue, 1-1 hero's,2-1 skywalkers blue, 0-1 M&D black, this past summer.

That's just shows you are not elite, your 2016 has never won a competitive tournament , you beat a combined YJ team at a showcase tournament when high school teams were still in playoffs . Your record against YJ blue at 2016 ion championship format is 0- however many times you have played. This is an MD parent and your teams are not cannot be compared. I still believe we are better than YH 2016 but will say the teams are very very close, you are not.

Hey Larry Miller, there are many posts here on the main forum from people claiming to be MD parents. Can you get a thread going for M&D, Skywalkers etc on this thread? I know you have a MD lax section thread but all the talk and action is on the botc main forum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

IT depends how you define elite. some of their age groups are top 5. example 2016 black 1-0 yj blue, 1-1 hero's,2-1 skywalkers blue, 0-1 M&D black, this past summer.

That's just shows you are not elite, your 2016 has never won a competitive tournament , you beat a combined YJ team at a showcase tournament when high school teams were still in playoffs . Your record against YJ blue at 2016 ion championship format is 0- however many times you have played. This is an MD parent and your teams are not cannot be compared. I still believe we are better than YH 2016 but will say the teams are very very close, you are not.

Hey Larry Miller, there are many posts here on the main forum from people claiming to be MD parents. Can you get a thread going for M&D, Skywalkers etc on this thread? I know you have a MD lax section thread but all the talk and action is on the botc main forum.

The problem is if they post within this thread my two options are to leave it or delete it. I wish I had the option to move an individual post from inside the main thread but I don't.

M&D have a main message board.....

yes if your an M&D parent then your daughter,s team is the best but certainly the list of elite teams is subjective. Is there 1 elite team ? two ? five ? as far as championships very hard to tell as the only tournaments all the best teams are together are showcases

Originally Posted by Anonymous

IT depends how you define elite. some of their age groups are top 5. example 2016 black 1-0 yj blue, 1-1 hero's,2-1 skywalkers blue, 0-1 M&D black, this past summer.

That's just shows you are not elite, your 2016 has never won a competitive tournament , you beat a combined YJ team at a showcase tournament when high school teams were still in playoffs . Your record against YJ blue at 2016 ion championship format is 0- however many times you have played. This is an MD parent and your teams are not cannot be compared. I still believe we are better than YH 2016 but will say the teams are very very close, you are not.

Hey Larry Miller, there are many posts here on the main forum from people claiming to be MD parents. Can you get a thread going for M&D, Skywalkers etc on this thread? I know you have a MD lax section thread but all the talk and action is on the botc main forum.

the MD poster is talking about a TG team and replying to a comment made on this forum so its seems to be in the right place even if you do not like its content.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

IT depends how you define elite. some of their age groups are top 5. example 2016 black 1-0 yj blue, 1-1 hero's,2-1 skywalkers blue, 0-1 M&D black, this past summer.

That's just shows you are not elite, your 2016 has never won a competitive tournament , you beat a combined YJ team at a showcase tournament when high school teams were still in playoffs . Your record against YJ blue at 2016 ion championship format is 0- however many times you have played. This is an MD parent and your teams are not cannot be compared. I still believe we are better than YH 2016 but will say the teams are very very close, you are not.

Hey Larry Miller, there are many posts here on the main forum from people claiming to be MD parents. Can you get a thread going for M&D, Skywalkers etc on this thread? I know you have a MD lax section thread but all the talk and action is on the botc main forum.

the MD poster is talking about a TG team and replying to a comment made on this forum so its seems to be in the right place even if you do not like its content.

I am fine with any content and welcome all on any thread. Thinking that the original M&D, Skywalker, etc thread headings were set up by cagesage under the wrong folder or heading. Nearly all discussions and thread headings are listed under main forum. There is a heading "Maryland lacrosse" I think. But it is never used or visited. The MD people are all over the TG and YJ threads, give them their own thread under the same "main forum" that all the rest of the teams are under.

Anybody who REGISTERS can start a thread. If MD or SW or YOU want a MD thread, register and start one! It's free! It's not traceable back to your real life identity. What's stopping you?

Top guns just ran a 4 day camp and cancelled one day because of weather. Understandable. Didn't offer a make up. How's that possible? Charge for a 4 day camp and only provide 3 days. Theft!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top guns just ran a 4 day camp and cancelled one day because of weather. Understandable. Didn't offer a make up. How's that possible? Charge for a 4 day camp and only provide 3 days. Theft!!

Happens all the time. Camps and clinics are sometimes weather permitting

Where were all the TG people at team BBQ yesterday, not a good turnout, very disappointing. Jump ship ?

No one ever goes to TG BBQ , say what you want but who wants to spend more time around BS . They may be crazy but most YJ parents seem to actually enjoy being around CR.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one ever goes to TG BBQ , say what you want but who wants to spend more time around BS . They may be crazy but most YJ parents seem to actually enjoy being around CR.

The TG BBQ Is only attended by the younger age groups. Anyone with HS age kids that play sports knows that this week and next are the only two weeks in the summer that you can schedule a family vacation without conflicting with HS sports . Also next week is tryouts so really aug 10-22 was your only shot at getting out of town for most families.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one ever goes to TG BBQ , say what you want but who wants to spend more time around BS . They may be crazy but most YJ parents seem to actually enjoy being around CR.

The TG BBQ Is only attended by the younger age groups. Anyone with HS age kids that play sports knows that this week and next are the only two weeks in the summer that you can schedule a family vacation without conflicting with HS sports . Also next week is tryouts so really aug 10-22 was your only shot at getting out of town for most families.

True but not even the younger girls were there. Of course the brown nosers and those who are worried their kid will be cut (and they should be) but it was really bad. I was there to pick up as somebody else took my little one, I too am curious if this is the writing on the wall. Hearing the 17& 18 girls are not happy with the large rosters..

How do you cancel a day and not offer a make up or refund? That's like stealing 1/4 of the money!!!

Most YJ parents like being around CR? LOL the butt kissers and kool aide drinkers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one ever goes to TG BBQ , say what you want but who wants to spend more time around BS . They may be crazy but most YJ parents seem to actually enjoy being around CR.

Yeah right! The YJ parents I know are either intimidated by, or afraid of CR, and so are their kids!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one ever goes to TG BBQ , say what you want but who wants to spend more time around BS . They may be crazy but most YJ parents seem to actually enjoy being around CR.

Yeah right! The YJ parents I know are either intimidated by, or afraid of CR, and so are their kids!

Afraid?! Seriously?! She's honest about the kind of athlete your kid is but there is no reason to be afraid of her. That's ridiculous. The YJ luau is a blast and well attended

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where were all the TG people at team BBQ yesterday, not a good turnout, very disappointing. Jump ship ?

m

It's not that type of club. Not a real club/team environment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where were all the TG people at team BBQ yesterday, not a good turnout, very disappointing. Jump ship ?

m

It's not that type of club. Not a real club/team environment.

That's not true, we have been with Top Guns 2 years now, and my daughter had a nice experience both years, as well as her parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do you cancel a day and not offer a make up or refund? That's like stealing 1/4 of the money!!!

The organization may have to pay for the field for the full four days. Sometimes, if possible, camp directors will add an hour or two to another day when one day needs to be cancelled to make up for some of the wasted time.

Yes they are... You are correct however good programs do the honorary thing. Because they want the kids to get the most out of these camps and clinics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do you cancel a day and not offer a make up or refund? That's like stealing 1/4 of the money!!!

I am taking my kid to sport hub this week. There is a 4 day clinic starting today. Pretty sure that can't get rained out.

The YJ program clearly states for the Hornets that they do not control the weather and allow one makeup for weather. If it rains twice or after the makeup date has passed your out of luck and the cost is $375. Ouch.

How was the camp otherwise?? was it worth the money?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do you cancel a day and not offer a make up or refund? That's like stealing 1/4 of the money!!!

I am taking my kid to sport hub this week. There is a 4 day clinic starting today. Pretty sure that can't get rained out.

You won't get rained out but you did pay $325 for 4 days when Top Guns 4 day camp was $175. I think it still works out money-wise in favor of the Top Guns camp.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do you cancel a day and not offer a make up or refund? That's like stealing 1/4 of the money!!!

I am taking my kid to sport hub this week. There is a 4 day clinic starting today. Pretty sure that can't get rained out.

You won't get rained out but you did pay $325 for 4 days when Top Guns 4 day camp was $175. I think it still works out money-wise in favor of the Top Guns camp.

I don't think the money is the issue. Just the fact the they didn't offer what they advertised.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was the camp otherwise?? was it worth the money?

Well run, good instruction, good turnout and the kids got time to scrimmage each day as well. For $175 well worth it. The rainout thing sucked, but it was a storm that left the entire field under water, out of their control. If that happens in a lacrosse tournament they also will cancel games with no refund. I've been to tours where lightning threatened and half the scheduled games were cancelled. After all that travel plus entry, to only play 1/2 your games, that is way worse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was the camp otherwise?? was it worth the money?

Well run, good instruction, good turnout and the kids got time to scrimmage each day as well. For $175 well worth it. The rainout thing sucked, but it was a storm that left the entire field under water, out of their control. If that happens in a lacrosse tournament they also will cancel games with no refund. I've been to tours where lightning threatened and half the scheduled games were cancelled. After all that travel plus entry, to only play 1/2 your games, that is way worse.

Same. More than once. And after it's too late to cancel your hotel room. Them's the breaks.

Is it true that your famous 2020 black team has lost its superstar coach? Trouble in paradise!

Where did go??

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was the camp otherwise?? was it worth the money?

Well run, good instruction, good turnout and the kids got time to scrimmage each day as well. For $175 well worth it. The rainout thing sucked, but it was a storm that left the entire field under water, out of their control. If that happens in a lacrosse tournament they also will cancel games with no refund. I've been to tours where lightning threatened and half the scheduled games were cancelled. After all that travel plus entry, to only play 1/2 your games, that is way worse.

Same. More than once. And after it's too late to cancel your hotel room. Them's the breaks.

Exactly...this is another non-story, being hyped up for no reason!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do you cancel a day and not offer a make up or refund? That's like stealing 1/4 of the money!!!

I am taking my kid to sport hub this week. There is a 4 day clinic starting today. Pretty sure that can't get rained out.

TG parent, took my 2021 to the clinic at Sportshub yesterday and it was very good. Saw a couple of other TG parents there as well. If anyone is looking to do something in the late afternoon the next few days, my daughter had a great time. I know it is not run by TG but just wanted to share.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where did go??

Starting up his own thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where did go??

Starting up his own thing.

Another person tired of seeing all of these club owners transport their money in brinks trucks. The American way

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where did go??

Starting up his own thing.

Another person tired of seeing all of these club owners transport their money in brinks trucks. The American way

So now he wants his own brinks truck, good luck but doubt any TG will follow him.

First and foremost, I am in no way connected with TG or YJ. However, I must say that if this is indeed true and is referring to SL, it is a huge loss for TG. I had the pleasure of playing for him many years ago at West Babylon when he a coach at the boys program there. He is one of the best coaches I have ever played for. Head and shoulders above the rest, inclusive of the D1 coach I played for in college. If he is starting his �own thing� I�m certain that players will follow him and he will draw top talent from other programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where did go??

Starting up his own thing.

Another person tired of seeing all of these club owners transport their money in brinks trucks. The American way

So now he wants his own brinks truck, good luck but doubt any TG will follow him.

He doesn't need anyone to follow him. He just needs 25 kids per age. Everyone's money is the same color. There are a lot of weak players that keep paying poor clubs for lousy lacrosse. LI crazies will pay for anything!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it true that your famous 2020 black team has lost its superstar coach? Trouble in paradise!

and the irony...Right after someone posts about SL leaving, the 2020 team, even before there can be a response there is an advertisement for Legacy tryouts. WOW. Coincidence

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it true that your famous 2020 black team has lost its superstar coach? Trouble in paradise!

and the irony...Right after someone posts about SL leaving, the 2020 team, even before there can be a response there is an advertisement for Legacy tryouts. WOW. Coincidence

there is a rotating sponsor there but it was funny to see

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First and foremost, I am in no way connected with TG or YJ. However, I must say that if this is indeed true and is referring to SL, it is a huge loss for TG. I had the pleasure of playing for him many years ago at West Babylon when he a coach at the boys program there. He is one of the best coaches I have ever played for. Head and shoulders above the rest, inclusive of the D1 coach I played for in college. If he is starting his �own thing� I�m certain that players will follow him and he will draw top talent from other programs.

Anyone know the name and or age groups of this startup? Sounds good

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First and foremost, I am in no way connected with TG or YJ. However, I must say that if this is indeed true and is referring to SL, it is a huge loss for TG. I had the pleasure of playing for him many years ago at West Babylon when he a coach at the boys program there. He is one of the best coaches I have ever played for. Head and shoulders above the rest, inclusive of the D1 coach I played for in college. If he is starting his �own thing� I�m certain that players will follow him and he will draw top talent from other programs.

Anyone know the name and or age groups of this startup? Sounds good

well, many of us know he had a girl on the 2020 Black team so start there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it true that your famous 2020 black team has lost its superstar coach? Trouble in paradise!

and the irony...Right after someone posts about SL leaving, the 2020 team, even before there can be a response there is an advertisement for Legacy tryouts. WOW. Coincidence

there is a rotating sponsor there but it was funny to see

I thought Legacy only had a boys program?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First and foremost, I am in no way connected with TG or YJ. However, I must say that if this is indeed true and is referring to SL, it is a huge loss for TG. I had the pleasure of playing for him many years ago at West Babylon when he a coach at the boys program there. He is one of the best coaches I have ever played for. Head and shoulders above the rest, inclusive of the D1 coach I played for in college. If he is starting his �own thing� I�m certain that players will follow him and he will draw top talent from other programs.

Anyone know the name and or age groups of this startup? Sounds good

Sounds good? No it doesn't. It certainly is not a option to follow the coach, see how strong his team is next year. He can put together a decent team but will never draw enough talent to beat any significant teams. 2 options- stay at TG or jump to YJ. The 2020 team is so strong because of the talent on the team, was he a good coach? Yes, but he didn't need to do a darn thing except rotate kids. Just like many TG and YJ coaches. The kids on that team play and train hard year round, not under SL, that is the reason they are so strong. Good luck to him, its tough to get new clubs going, even tougher to get dysfunctional clubs turned around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First and foremost, I am in no way connected with TG or YJ. However, I must say that if this is indeed true and is referring to SL, it is a huge loss for TG. I had the pleasure of playing for him many years ago at West Babylon when he a coach at the boys program there. He is one of the best coaches I have ever played for. Head and shoulders above the rest, inclusive of the D1 coach I played for in college. If he is starting his �own thing� I�m certain that players will follow him and he will draw top talent from other programs.

Anyone know the name and or age groups of this startup? Sounds good

Sounds good? No it doesn't. It certainly is not a option to follow the coach, see how strong his team is next year. He can put together a decent team but will never draw enough talent to beat any significant teams. 2 options- stay at TG or jump to YJ. The 2020 team is so strong because of the talent on the team, was he a good coach? Yes, but he didn't need to do a darn thing except rotate kids. Just like many TG and YJ coaches. The kids on that team play and train hard year round, not under SL, that is the reason they are so strong. Good luck to him, its tough to get new clubs going, even tougher to get dysfunctional clubs turned around.

You TG 2020 parents need a life. You have a good team but honestly the kids are 11-12 years old , calm down. You belittle the coaching so what exactly are you paying the Smiths for, you should all just stay together and stop paying TG if these 12 year olds are so good the coaching doesn't matter.

jack [lacrosse]...you don�t need to beat the best teams...just compete....get a clue

that is why you follow a great coach...you pay for coaching...which most of you in all programs don�t get....when you have it you follow!!!

To all girls team,

Please do the boys FO community a favor and sign the petition against changing rules. We appreciate every signature !!!

Did you also hear the voice? If you build it they will come.
I'm going! Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

that is why you follow a great coach...you pay for coaching...which most of you in all programs don�t get....when you have it you follow!!!

Seriously, how much coaching does your kid really get at the club level? You pay to be seen, that's it. Playing with a better club and better teammates gets you more looks.

Legacy- 3 age groups. with 7th grade the oldest

You don�t need travel to be seen....camps and clinics can do that...your $ should go toward the development of your child�s ability to play and understand the game....did they get better because of playing more...or was your $ being spent on learning the game and improving??? How are practices run...is there feed back during games...or are the college kids on their cell phones???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

...or are the college kids on their cell phones???

Or are the HS coaches focusing only on the girls from their school? Or are the parent coaches just trying to play up their child? Or are there some good college coaches, and some good HS coaches, or some good parent coaches?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

that is why you follow a great coach...you pay for coaching...which most of you in all programs don�t get....when you have it you follow!!!

Seriously, how much coaching does your kid really get at the club level? You pay to be seen, that's it. Playing with a better club and better teammates gets you more looks.

If your banking on clubs and club coaches to develope your kid she is going to fall behind.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don�t need travel to be seen....camps and clinics can do that...your $ should go toward the development of your child�s ability to play and understand the game....did they get better because of playing more...or was your $ being spent on learning the game and improving??? How are practices run...is there feed back during games...or are the college kids on their cell phones???

My daughters volleyball coach talks to each player alone after thecseason is over to go over strengths and weaknesses. I think this could be valuable, especially to 2016&17 girls. My niece plays on 91 and although they are very weak Darcy goes over schools the girls are interested in and helps them write letters and makes calls at that level. Just food for thought TG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don�t need travel to be seen....camps and clinics can do that...your $ should go toward the development of your child�s ability to play and understand the game....did they get better because of playing more...or was your $ being spent on learning the game and improving??? How are practices run...is there feed back during games...or are the college kids on their cell phones???

My daughters volleyball coach talks to each player alone after thecseason is over to go over strengths and weaknesses. I think this could be valuable, especially to 2016&17 girls. My niece plays on 91 and although they are very weak Darcy goes over schools the girls are interested in and helps them write letters and makes calls at that level. Just food for thought TG

Well I guess you not at that level yet with TG. They set aside a night in the Fall and go over the recruiting process with everyone who shows up. Then it is up to the individual to talk with them about your strengths and weaknesses.I found TG to be very helpful with my daughters recruiting process and helping improve my daughters playing. However you as a Parent and the child have to be involved it is not all up to the Club.

Curious , my daughter is a 2020, loved her coach . In my opinion BS , SS , both very nice but have so far had little involvement w our team. Coach has left and what is downside of leaving w him. Yes SS taking over team is interesting but realistically how much time can she give , recruiting and running Hofstra program, coaching 18s who are just getting into recruiting age, running TG club. Powder what is your opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious , my daughter is a 2020, loved her coach . In my opinion BS , SS , both very nice but have so far had little involvement w our team. Coach has left and what is downside of leaving w him. Yes SS taking over team is interesting but realistically how much time can she give , recruiting and running Hofstra program, coaching 18s who are just getting into recruiting age, running TG club. Powder what is your opinion.

I really don't know. Strange days, indeed. I'm really not in the 2020 circle. Is SS taking over? Says who? If that's the word from TG then I'd ask her or Bill how she plans on managing it all, because it is a lot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don�t need travel to be seen....camps and clinics can do that...your $ should go toward the development of your child�s ability to play and understand the game....did they get better because of playing more...or was your $ being spent on learning the game and improving??? How are practices run...is there feed back during games...or are the college kids on their cell phones???

My daughters volleyball coach talks to each player alone after thecseason is over to go over strengths and weaknesses. I think this could be valuable, especially to 2016&17 girls. My niece plays on 91 and although they are very weak Darcy goes over schools the girls are interested in and helps them write letters and makes calls at that level. Just food for thought TG

Well I guess you not at that level yet with TG. They set aside a night in the Fall and go over the recruiting process with everyone who shows up. Then it is up to the individual to talk with them about your strengths and weaknesses.I found TG to be very helpful with my daughters recruiting process and helping improve my daughters playing. However you as a Parent and the child have to be involved it is not all up to the Club.

So the fall meeting of "Division 1 will own you" that scared the crap out of the kids is the only time they meet to discuss recruiting?? Wow. It really would not take much for Bill, Shannon, Andrew or a coach to have a 10 minute conversation with a player now would it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don�t need travel to be seen....camps and clinics can do that...your $ should go toward the development of your child�s ability to play and understand the game....did they get better because of playing more...or was your $ being spent on learning the game and improving??? How are practices run...is there feed back during games...or are the college kids on their cell phones???

My daughters volleyball coach talks to each player alone after thecseason is over to go over strengths and weaknesses. I think this could be valuable, especially to 2016&17 girls. My niece plays on 91 and although they are very weak Darcy goes over schools the girls are interested in and helps them write letters and makes calls at that level. Just food for thought TG

Well I guess you not at that level yet with TG. They set aside a night in the Fall and go over the recruiting process with everyone who shows up. Then it is up to the individual to talk with them about your strengths and weaknesses.I found TG to be very helpful with my daughters recruiting process and helping improve my daughters playing. However you as a Parent and the child have to be involved it is not all up to the Club.

So the fall meeting of "Division 1 will own you" that scared the crap out of the kids is the only time they meet to discuss recruiting?? Wow. It really would not take much for Bill, Shannon, Andrew or a coach to have a 10 minute
conversation with a player now would it?

No it would not and it is done all the time. They have been great about helping us during the recruiting process.

Now slither back under your rock.

have you asked any of them about recruiting ? Because both my daughter and I have and they have all been very helpful. The player and parents need to do the work. The Directors and coaches will answer any questions you have. Just ask

My daughter just finished from 15 Purple. In total over the recruiting process SS & BS answered every question and spent countless hours with my daughter and myself helping with the decision making process . This included reaching out to coaches, relaying information to us about colleges interested and just helping with what would be best for my daughter. The whole thing was made easy with the help we recieved from them. The help is there you just have to be proactive and run things through them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter just finished from 15 Purple. In total over the recruiting process SS & BS answered every question and spent countless hours with my daughter and myself helping with the decision making process . This included reaching out to coaches, relaying information to us about colleges interested and just helping with what would be best for my daughter. The whole thing was made easy with the help we recieved from them. The help is there you just have to be proactive and run things through them.

Thanks BS (or SS) for writing back to us!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don�t need travel to be seen....camps and clinics can do that...your $ should go toward the development of your child�s ability to play and understand the game....did they get better because of playing more...or was your $ being spent on learning the game and improving??? How are practices run...is there feed back during games...or are the college kids on their cell phones???

My daughters volleyball coach talks to each player alone after thecseason is over to go over strengths and weaknesses. I think this could be valuable, especially to 2016&17 girls. My niece plays on 91 and although they are very weak Darcy goes over schools the girls are interested in and helps them write letters and makes calls at that level. Just food for thought TG

Well I guess you not at that level yet with TG. They set aside a night in the Fall and go over the recruiting process with everyone who shows up. Then it is up to the individual to talk with them about your strengths and weaknesses.I found TG to be very helpful with my daughters recruiting process and helping improve my daughters playing. However you as a Parent and the child have to be involved it is not all up to the Club.

Yeah but you don't have to be a member to get this kind of help. M&D in MD does a recruiting night with real coaches (Cathy Reese being one) there to present, give tips and answer questions. You don't have to be an M&D club member to attend and participate. You play club to be seen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don�t need travel to be seen....camps and clinics can do that...your $ should go toward the development of your child�s ability to play and understand the game....did they get better because of playing more...or was your $ being spent on learning the game and improving??? How are practices run...is there feed back during games...or are the college kids on their cell phones???

My daughters volleyball coach talks to each player alone after thecseason is over to go over strengths and weaknesses. I think this could be valuable, especially to 2016&17 girls. My niece plays on 91 and although they are very weak Darcy goes over schools the girls are interested in and helps them write letters and makes calls at that level. Just food for thought TG

Well I guess you not at that level yet with TG. They set aside a night in the Fall and go over the recruiting process with everyone who shows up. Then it is up to the individual to talk with them about your strengths and weaknesses.I found TG to be very helpful with my daughters recruiting process and helping improve my daughters playing. However you as a Parent and the child have to be involved it is not all up to the Club.

Yeah but you don't have to be a member to get this kind of help. M&D in MD does a recruiting night with real coaches (Cathy Reese being one) there to present, give tips and answer questions. You don't have to be an M&D club member to attend and participate. You play club to be seen

Let me know when so I can make a 4 hour drive to MD and sit
on the Jersey Turnpike.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don�t need travel to be seen....camps and clinics can do that...your $ should go toward the development of your child�s ability to play and understand the game....did they get better because of playing more...or was your $ being spent on learning the game and improving??? How are practices run...is there feed back during games...or are the college kids on their cell phones???

My daughters volleyball coach talks to each player alone after thecseason is over to go over strengths and weaknesses. I think this could be valuable, especially to 2016&17 girls. My niece plays on 91 and although they are very weak Darcy goes over schools the girls are interested in and helps them write letters and makes calls at that level. Just food for thought TG

Well I guess you not at that level yet with TG. They set aside a night in the Fall and go over the recruiting process with everyone who shows up. Then it is up to the individual to talk with them about your strengths and weaknesses.I found TG to be very helpful with my daughters recruiting process and helping improve my daughters playing. However you as a Parent and the child have to be involved it is not all up to the Club.

Yeah but you don't have to be a member to get this kind of help. M&D in MD does a recruiting night with real coaches (Cathy Reese being one) there to present, give tips and answer questions. You don't have to be an M&D club member to attend and participate. You play club to be seen

Let me know when so I can make a 4 hour drive to MD and sit
on the Jersey Turnpike.

Point is, if you can getr the same service for free from an equal or better organization, is it really a perk? Why wouldn't every club open-up the "recruiting night" discussions to the entire lacrosse community? It doesn't cost them anything to put it on.

t

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don�t need travel to be seen....camps and clinics can do that...your $ should go toward the development of your child�s ability to play and understand the game....did they get better because of playing more...or was your $ being spent on learning the game and improving??? How are practices run...is there feed back during games...or are the college kids on their cell phones???

My daughters volleyball coach talks to each player alone after thecseason is over to go over strengths and weaknesses. I think this could be valuable, especially to 2016&17 girls. My niece plays on 91 and although they are very weak Darcy goes over schools the girls are interested in and helps them write letters and makes calls at that level. Just food for thought TG

Well I guess you not at that level yet with TG. They set aside a night in the Fall and go over the recruiting process with everyone who shows up. Then it is up to the individual to talk with them about your strengths and weaknesses.I found TG to be very helpful with my daughters recruiting process and helping improve my daughters playing. However you as a Parent and the child have to be involved it is not all up to the Club.

Yeah but you don't have to be a member to get this kind of help. M&D in MD does a recruiting night with real coaches (Cathy Reese being one) there to present, give tips and answer questions. You don't have to be an M&D club member to attend and participate. You play club to be seen

Let me know when so I can make a 4 hour drive to MD and sit
on the Jersey Turnpike.

Point is, if you can getr the same service for free from an equal or better organization, is it really a perk? Why wouldn't every club open-up the "recruiting night" discussions to the entire lacrosse community? It doesn't cost them anything to put it on.

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Why would a club offer their recruiting services to an entire lax community regardless of whether they participate in their club or not. Wouldn't the members of that club feel like the resources that they are paying for are being used up by non-paying members. I wonder if the MD open recruiting night is a promotion to attack more players to their program (which is a very good idea in my opinion), rather than altruism.

Well I guess you not at that level yet with TG. They set aside a night in the Fall and go over the recruiting process with everyone who shows up. Then it is up to the individual to talk with them about your strengths and weaknesses.I found TG to be very helpful with my daughters recruiting process and helping improve my daughters playing. However you as a Parent and the child have to be involved it is not all up to the Club. [/quote]

Yeah but you don't have to be a member to get this kind of help. M&D in MD does a recruiting night with real coaches (Cathy Reese being one) there to present, give tips and answer questions. You don't have to be an M&D club member to attend and participate. You play club to be seen [/quote]

Let me know when so I can make a 4 hour drive to MD and sit
on the Jersey Turnpike. [/quote]

Point is, if you can getr the same service for free from an equal or better organization, is it really a perk? Why wouldn't every club open-up the "recruiting night" discussions to the entire lacrosse community? It doesn't cost them anything to put it on.

t
[/quote]
Why would a club offer their recruiting services to an entire lax community regardless of whether they participate in their club or not. Wouldn't the members of that club feel like the resources that they are paying for are being used up by non-paying members. I wonder if the MD open recruiting night is a promotion to attack more players to their program (which is a very good idea in my opinion), rather than altruism. [/quote]

Why should the members care, they are not "paying for it", these things cost nothing for the club to put on, book a school auditorium, club president moderates and college coaches come for free. I think most parents who would complain are scared some non-club kid will get "their spot". Really doubt a top tier club like M&D needs to market themselves by providing feebies. They probably turn away atleast 150-200 kids every year.

During tryouts they had my older daughter run the length of the field and back. Do they do the same for the younger ages during tryouts (2022 and 2021's)? Or do they have them run a shorter distance?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

During tryouts they had my older daughter run the length of the field and back. Do they do the same for the younger ages during tryouts (2022 and 2021's)? Or do they have them run a shorter distance?

Last year they did the width of the field

Originally Posted by Anonymous

During tryouts they had my older daughter run the length of the field and back. Do they do the same for the younger ages during tryouts (2022 and 2021's)? Or do they have them run a shorter distance?

If you're concerned about your daughter running the length of the field, lacrosse might not be the right sport for her.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

During tryouts they had my older daughter run the length of the field and back. Do they do the same for the younger ages during tryouts (2022 and 2021's)? Or do they have them run a shorter distance?

If you're concerned about your daughter running the length of the field, lacrosse might not be the right sport for her.

she could always play attack, defense or goalie, the other 9 positions on the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

During tryouts they had my older daughter run the length of the field and back. Do they do the same for the younger ages during tryouts (2022 and 2021's)? Or do they have them run a shorter distance?

If you're concerned about your daughter running the length of the field, lacrosse might not be the right sport for her.

Ok [lacrosse] bag.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

During tryouts they had my older daughter run the length of the field and back. Do they do the same for the younger ages during tryouts (2022 and 2021's)? Or do they have them run a shorter distance?

If you're concerned about your daughter running the length of the field, lacrosse might not be the right sport for her.

It was two lengths of the field and just wanted to know so that my 10 year old knows, so she runs it properly. Big difference between a 50 and 220 yard run for a 10 year old who doesn't have a whole lot of track experience.

But your response shows that you are a total tool, and regardless of your kids performance they will probably grow up with issues having a parent like yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

During tryouts they had my older daughter run the length of the field and back. Do they do the same for the younger ages during tryouts (2022 and 2021's)? Or do they have them run a shorter distance?

What did people think about the skill level of kids that showed up to the 2018 group for tryouts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

During tryouts they had my older daughter run the length of the field and back. Do they do the same for the younger ages during tryouts (2022 and 2021's)? Or do they have them run a shorter distance?

What did people think about the skill level of kids that showed up to the 2018 group for tryouts?

Everyone was amazing. So much talent and there were So many.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don�t need travel to be seen....camps and clinics can do that...your $ should go toward the development of your child�s ability to play and understand the game....did they get better because of playing more...or was your $ being spent on learning the game and improving??? How are practices run...is there feed back during games...or are the college kids on their cell phones???

My daughters volleyball coach talks to each player alone after thecseason is over to go over strengths and weaknesses. I think this could be valuable, especially to 2016&17 girls. My niece plays on 91 and although they are very weak Darcy goes over schools the girls are interested in and helps them write letters and makes calls at that level. Just food for thought TG

Well I guess you not at that level yet with TG. They set aside a night in the Fall and go over the recruiting process with everyone who shows up. Then it is up to the individual to talk with them about your strengths and weaknesses.I found TG to be very helpful with my daughters recruiting process and helping improve my daughters playing. However you as a Parent and the child have to be involved it is not all up to the Club.

So the fall meeting of "Division 1 will own you" that scared the crap out of the kids is the only time they meet to discuss recruiting?? Wow. It really would not take much for Bill, Shannon, Andrew or a coach to have a 10 minute conversation with a player now would it?

At that meeting, they said they would meet with people individually. Were you listening? If your kid had the crap scared out of her, from that comment, she probably isn't cut out for D1 anyway

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter just finished from 15 Purple. In total over the recruiting process SS & BS answered every question and spent countless hours with my daughter and myself helping with the decision making process . This included reaching out to coaches, relaying information to us about colleges interested and just helping with what would be best for my daughter. The whole thing was made easy with the help we recieved from them. The help is there you just have to be proactive and run things through them.

Thanks BS (or SS) for writing back to us!!

If you think BS or SS are on here, reading your nonsense, you're proving your ignorance

Actually you are showing your ignorance. If you think BS does not come on this site then you have no clue as to who he is.

Thoughts on 2019 yesterday? Three teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually you are showing your ignorance. If you think BS does not come on this site then you have no clue as to who he is.

Never said he doesn't come on here, and I know him very well actually.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on 2019 yesterday? Three teams?

they did the same thing with the 2018 going into 8th grade. Had about 75 girls at tryouts with 6 goalies

2020 ran full field this morning

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on 2019 yesterday? Three teams?

they did the same thing with the 2018 going into 8th grade. Had about 75 girls at tryouts with 6 goalies

But the 2018 white team was just awful this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on 2019 yesterday? Three teams?

they did the same thing with the 2018 going into 8th grade. Had about 75 girls at tryouts with 6 goalies

But the 2018 white team was just awful this summer.

You are a jack [lacrosse].

Are you serious? I'm guessing
You're being sarcastic.

Wow. That's so cool. Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on 2019 yesterday? Three teams?

they did the same thing with the 2018 going into 8th grade. Had about 75 girls at tryouts with 6 goalies

But the 2018 white team was just awful this summer.

My daughters friend played on it. Some of the parents on the team referred to it as the "white trash" team as that was how they felt they were treated. Saw them play this summer, the skill level was VERY weak.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on 2019 yesterday? Three teams?

they did the same thing with the 2018 going into 8th grade. Had about 75 girls at tryouts with 6 goalies

75 kids - they will take everyone and make 3 teams. Third team will be very weak. Also at this age if you think your daughter will get recruited from a 3rd team that will not happen as the 3rd team will not be at major recruiting tournaments. The third team is a third wheel.. Yes they will take 75 kids as long as your check clears.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 ran full field this morning

Did most kids return or did any jump to Legacy to stay will their coach?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on 2019 yesterday? Three teams?

they did the same thing with the 2018 going into 8th grade. Had about 75 girls at tryouts with 6 goalies

But the 2018 white team was just awful this summer.

You are a jack [lacrosse].

Wonder what that makes the people who pay to be on the white team - hmmmmmmm

that white team only lost to purple team by one goal at the Hofstra tournament after beating them most of the game. So guess purple sucks too?

97 Girls at the 2021 Tryouts. There will be three teams. Talent was decent, seems like there were a lot of girls at the same level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 ran full field this morning

Did most kids return or did any jump to Legacy to stay will their coach?

The only kid not there was the ex coaches daughter . Making a white team in 2020 as well.

Most of the stronger players are headed to Legacy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 ran full field this morning

Did most kids return or did any jump to Legacy to stay will their coach?

The only kid not there was the ex coaches daughter . Making a white team in 2020 as well.

The very good attack man from 2020 Black that played/made the Brine All-American game/team was also missing. So definitely more that just ex-coaches daughter missing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 ran full field this morning

Did most kids return or did any jump to Legacy to stay will their coach?

The only kid not there was the ex coaches daughter . Making a white team in 2020 as well.

The very good attack man from 2020 Black that played/made the Brine All-American game/team was also missing. So definitely more that just ex-coaches daughter missing.

She was away on vacation

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 ran full field this morning

Did most kids return or did any jump to Legacy to stay will their coach?

The only kid not there was the ex coaches daughter . Making a white team in 2020 as well.

The very good attack man from 2020 Black that played/made the Brine All-American game/team was also missing. So definitely more that just ex-coaches daughter missing.

Don't be surprised if kids NOT at tryouts end up on Black or Purple - you have to remember the friends and family factor - after all it is TG

Even if 2-3 or even 4 girls left the 2020 black team, I am not sure how he will find the talent to support them unless he can recruit some talented YJ girls from his area. He will be doing those girls who leave a disservice if he cannot surround them with talented supporting players. Does anyone know how he left it with the TP organization? Would he be welcomed back if his experiment fails? Seemed like his roots ran deep with the Smith family.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 ran full field this morning

Did most kids return or did any jump to Legacy to stay will their coach?

The only kid not there was the ex coaches daughter . Making a white team in 2020 as well.

The very good attack man from 2020 Black that played/made the Brine All-American game/team was also missing. So definitely more that just ex-coaches daughter missing.

Don't be surprised if kids NOT at tryouts end up on Black or Purple - you have to remember the friends and family factor - after all it is TG

No different than other clubs. YJ are notorious for that, even worse CR is notorious for putting her F and F on the all american teams that she always ends up being the evaluator at.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Even if 2-3 or even 4 girls left the 2020 black team, I am not sure how he will find the talent to support them unless he can recruit some talented YJ girls from his area. He will be doing those girls who leave a disservice if he cannot surround them with talented supporting players. Does anyone know how he left it with the TP organization? Would he be welcomed back if his experiment fails? Seemed like his roots ran deep with the Smith family.

His older daughter still plays for TG

First off take the best 3 TG 2020 players and put on legacy , surround w mediocre talent and legacy wins.

you really are a jack [lacrosse] who hasn�t got a clue...disservice....how can quality coaching and learning to play at a high level be a disservice...you don�t need to dominate...just be competitive and grow as an individual with in the team concept....that coach improves players...I have been told his 2015 competed with the best and were that deep...every kid made strides during their run with that team...you people have no idea...fools.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Even if 2-3 or even 4 girls left the 2020 black team, I am not sure how he will find the talent to support them unless he can recruit some talented YJ girls from his area. He will be doing those girls who leave a disservice if he cannot surround them with talented supporting players. Does anyone know how he left it with the TP organization? Would he be welcomed back if his experiment fails? Seemed like his roots ran deep with the Smith family.

His older daughter still plays for TG

Please think before posting

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Even if 2-3 or even 4 girls left the 2020 black team, I am not sure how he will find the talent to support them unless he can recruit some talented YJ girls from his area. He will be doing those girls who leave a disservice if he cannot surround them with talented supporting players. Does anyone know how he left it with the TP organization? Would he be welcomed back if his experiment fails? Seemed like his roots ran deep with the Smith family.

His older daughter still plays for TG

Please think before posting

Maybe you should think ...... He has 3 girls and the middle one plays on another TG team I think 17 or 18

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 ran full field this morning

Did most kids return or did any jump to Legacy to stay will their coach?

The only kid not there was the ex coaches daughter . Making a white team in 2020 as well.

The very good attack man from 2020 Black that played/made the Brine All-American game/team was also missing. So definitely more that just ex-coaches daughter missing.

Brine is a joke and there is no very good attack man . If the big kid goes your team is done but I hear BS has already made the trip to the house to plead w the kid not to leave.the guy is making promises to the kid he will not be able to deliver.

My daughter had a tryout on fri as we were going on a cruise. From what I understand there were a few others that did that as well. And as far as politics etc. I'm pretty sure bs has no idea of my daughters name. Just a courtesy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Even if 2-3 or even 4 girls left the 2020 black team, I am not sure how he will find the talent to support them unless he can recruit some talented YJ girls from his area. He will be doing those girls who leave a disservice if he cannot surround them with talented supporting players. Does anyone know how he left it with the TP organization? Would he be welcomed back if his experiment fails? Seemed like his roots ran deep with the Smith family.

His older daughter still plays for TG

Please think before posting

Maybe you should think ...... He has 3 girls and the middle one plays on another TG team I think 17 or 18

You think she plays on 17 or 18 or she still plays TG. Hey moron you have no idea if she still plays TG , as a matter if fact you have no idea if your daughter still plays TG as they have not picked teams yet. Please keep posting you make it so easy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

that white team only lost to purple team by one goal at the Hofstra tournament after beating them most of the game. So guess purple sucks too?

Scores don't tell the true story, purple completely controlled that game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 ran full field this morning

Did most kids return or did any jump to Legacy to stay will their coach?

Half are going to Legacy and the rest are going to yj!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Even if 2-3 or even 4 girls left the 2020 black team, I am not sure how he will find the talent to support them unless he can recruit some talented YJ girls from his area. He will be doing those girls who leave a disservice if he cannot surround them with talented supporting players. Does anyone know how he left it with the TP organization? Would he be welcomed back if his experiment fails? Seemed like his roots ran deep with the Smith family.

His older daughter still plays for TG

Please think before posting

Maybe you should think ...... He has 3 girls and the middle one plays on another TG team I think 17 or 18

Definitely not 17

Originally Posted by Anonymous

that white team only lost to purple team by one goal at the Hofstra tournament after beating them most of the game. So guess purple sucks too?

In the above - Are you referring to the 2018 TG age group - White V. Purple?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 ran full field this morning

Did most kids return or did any jump to Legacy to stay will their coach?

Half are going to Legacy and the rest are going to yj!

All those crazy 2020 parents will fit in nicely with YJ crazies! Good luck in that age group at YJ, other than Shoreham W.R. they (YJ 2020) are the next most dysfunctional group of people in Long Island Lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

97 Girls at the 2021 Tryouts. There will be three teams. Talent was decent, seems like there were a lot of girls at the same level.

Yes, all beginners

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 ran full field this morning

Did most kids return or did any jump to Legacy to stay will their coach?

The only kid not there was the ex coaches daughter . Making a white team in 2020 as well.

Just because they are there doesn't mean they will play

Originally Posted by Anonymous

97 Girls at the 2021 Tryouts. There will be three teams. Talent was decent, seems like there were a lot of girls at the same level.

Yes, all beginners

Says Yellow Jacket Yellow Team Parent who lost to Beach Bums last season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

97 Girls at the 2021 Tryouts. There will be three teams. Talent was decent, seems like there were a lot of girls at the same level.

Yes, all beginners

The beginners go to YJ in the fall, after trying out everywhere else

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 ran full field this morning

Did most kids return or did any jump to Legacy to stay will their coach?

The only kid not there was the ex coaches daughter . Making a white team in 2020 as well.

Just because they are there doesn't mean they will play

If they don't want to be there they should GO! Bye-bye

Originally Posted by Anonymous

97 Girls at the 2021 Tryouts. There will be three teams. Talent was decent, seems like there were a lot of girls at the same level.

Yes, all beginners

The beginners go to YJ in the fall, after trying out everywhere else

These girls are just starting 6th grade, they are all beginners.....going through physical changes in middle school. Girls who are stars now, might level off and others catch up, and girls who are considered B or C players catch up. Keep the stick in their hand, it will all work out in the next few years.

When will we know which team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When will we know which team?

Your daughter was told Friday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2020 ran full field this morning

Did most kids return or did any jump to Legacy to stay will their coach?

Half are going to Legacy and the rest are going to yj

Says CR

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2020 ran full field this morning

Did most kids return or did any jump to Legacy to stay will their coach?

Half are going to Legacy and the rest are going to yj!

All those crazy 2020 parents will fit in nicely with YJ crazies! Good luck in that age group at YJ, other than Shoreham W.R. they (YJ 2020) are the next most dysfunctional group of people in Long Island Lacrosse.

Pay Curcio and you play its a very simple concept.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 ran full field this morning

Did most kids return or did any jump to Legacy to stay will their coach?

The only kid not there was the ex coaches daughter . Making a white team in 2020 as well.

The very good attack man from 2020 Black that played/made the Brine All-American game/team was also missing. So definitely more that just ex-coaches daughter missing.

Brine is a joke and there is no very good attack man . If the big kid goes your team is done but I hear BS has already made the trip to the house to plead w the kid not to leave.the guy is making promises to the kid he will not be able to deliver.

I'll give you Brine isn't great but the kid they are talking about is a very good player. She's got really good stick skills (for a 11/12 year old) good field vision (for an 11/12 year old) and makes good decisions (for an 11/12 year old). Again this is all by 11/12 year old standards, not comparing her to older kids.

oh okay!!

Yes sorry I was talking 2018 in reply to how someone thought the white team was awful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2020 ran full field this morning

Did most kids return or did any jump to Legacy to stay will their coach?

Half are going to Legacy and the rest are going to yj!

All those crazy 2020 parents will fit in nicely with YJ crazies! Good luck in that age group at YJ, other than Shoreham W.R. they (YJ 2020) are the next most dysfunctional group of people in Long Island Lacrosse.

Pay Curcio and you play its a very simple concept.

JONES Is no better with her own training organization. Pay to play baby!

CR wants the kid to be her first 7th grade recruit

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CR wants the kid to be her first 7th grade recruit

What are you babbling about

Got my daughters placement email today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Got my daughters placement email today.

What age??

3 teams for 2019....does this make purple more competitive? Any movement from purple to black?

Did you hear about 2019?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes sorry I was talking 2018 in reply to how someone thought the white team was awful.

That 2018 White team did lack talent. My daughter plays on another club from Long Island (2nd 2018 Team on that club) and they played 2018 White and it wasnt even a game. I was very surprised and spoke to some of the parents on TG 2018 White at that game and they expressed their disappointment as well. I would have thought that club would have had far more talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Got my daughters placement email today.

Yeah, sure you did....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes sorry I was talking 2018 in reply to how someone thought the white team was awful.

That 2018 White team did lack talent. My daughter plays on another club from Long Island (2nd 2018 Team on that club) and they played 2018 White and it wasnt even a game. I was very surprised and spoke to some of the parents on TG 2018 White at that game and they expressed their disappointment as well. I would have thought that club would have had far more talent.

My daughter is 2017, but a good friend of mine, who's not easy to please, he said they did pretty well, and thinks they're very close to being as good as purple.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes sorry I was talking 2018 in reply to how someone thought the white team was awful.

That 2018 White team did lack talent. My daughter plays on another club from Long Island (2nd 2018 Team on that club) and they played 2018 White and it wasnt even a game. I was very surprised and spoke to some of the parents on TG 2018 White at that game and they expressed their disappointment as well. I would have thought that club would have had far more talent.

My daughter is 2017, but a good friend of mine, who's not easy to please, he said they did pretty well, and thinks they're very close to being as good as purple.

That tells you how good purple isn't!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes sorry I was talking 2018 in reply to how someone thought the white team was awful.

That 2018 White team did lack talent. My daughter plays on another club from Long Island (2nd 2018 Team on that club) and they played 2018 White and it wasnt even a game. I was very surprised and spoke to some of the parents on TG 2018 White at that game and they expressed their disappointment as well. I would have thought that club would have had far more talent.

My daughter is 2017, but a good friend of mine, who's not easy to please, he said they did pretty well, and thinks they're very close to being as good as purple.

I did not see the Purple Team play this year to be honest so I can not make that comparison but I would be surprised if that was the case. My daughter plays on the 2nd Elevate Team and they played the 2018 White team and it wasnt really much of a game. I was surprised and thought that the White team would have been better. Maybe it was just a bad tournament for them, you never know but I thought that they would have been more competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes sorry I was talking 2018 in reply to how someone thought the white team was awful.

That 2018 White team did lack talent. My daughter plays on another club from Long Island (2nd 2018 Team on that club) and they played 2018 White and it wasnt even a game. I was very surprised and spoke to some of the parents on TG 2018 White at that game and they expressed their disappointment as well. I would have thought that club would have had far more talent.

My daughter is 2017, but a good friend of mine, who's not easy to please, he said they did pretty well, and thinks they're very close to being as good as purple.

I did not see the Purple Team play this year to be honest so I can not make that comparison but I would be surprised if that was the case. My daughter plays on the 2nd Elevate Team and they played the 2018 White team and it wasnt really much of a game. I was surprised and thought that the White team would have been better. Maybe it was just a bad tournament for them, you never know but I thought that they would have been more competitive.

The top TG 17 team is not that good either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes sorry I was talking 2018 in reply to how someone thought the white team was awful.

That 2018 White team did lack talent. My daughter plays on another club from Long Island (2nd 2018 Team on that club) and they played 2018 White and it wasnt even a game. I was very surprised and spoke to some of the parents on TG 2018 White at that game and they expressed their disappointment as well. I would have thought that club would have had far more talent.

My daughter is 2017, but a good friend of mine, who's not easy to please, he said they did pretty well, and thinks they're very close to being as good as purple.

I did not see the Purple Team play this year to be honest so I can not make that comparison but I would be surprised if that was the case. My daughter plays on the 2nd Elevate Team and they played the 2018 White team and it wasnt really much of a game. I was surprised and thought that the White team would have been better. Maybe it was just a bad tournament for them, you never know but I thought that they would have been more competitive.

The top TG 17 team is not that good either.

Ok, go away. we're talking about 2018 white and purple.

Does Top Guns black or purple matter at the 5th and 6th grade level? Is there a lot of movement back and forth as ability changes since the girls are so young?

I thought the 2018 white was better than the YJ 2018 3rd team but the YJ 2018 2nd team is better than the tg purple. Just my opinion and yes, my daughter played all 4

TG 2018 Purple and YJ 2018 2nd team are comparable...I think TG won by a goal at National Draw...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does Top Guns black or purple matter at the 5th and 6th grade level? Is there a lot of movement back and forth as ability changes since the girls are so young?

I think there is. There are only usually a few girls who truly stand out at this age and easily should make the top team in any organization and most of the others are developing at their own pace. I think most lax travel teams attempt to put the best players together on one team but unless they have seen players before in camps or from the year before on previous teams its difficult to assess a player in a 2 hr tryout IMO so its not a big deal if one year they are on a lower team and the next they make the black or blue or first team.

Exactly... BS taking the JY model. At least all the chatter now can stop about YJ being the only money grab around

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exactly... BS taking the JY model. At least all the chatter now can stop about YJ being the only money grab around

In defense of BS and CR, if they have 90-100 girls trying out for their programs at each age level, and they could provide coaches for each team, why wouldn't they add additional teams to service a demand for their product. What should be done with the 50 or so girls who don't make the the a or b team in their age division? If those kids and their parents want them involved with travel lacrosse why not? If their parents don't want to pay that fee they can try out for another less expensive club. But if the demand is there then they should offer the service, and grow the game.

P.S. Black,Purple, White, Blue, Yellow, Green its all a money grab whether your on the top team or the third team (or 5th team in YJ case).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes sorry I was talking 2018 in reply to how someone thought the white team was awful.

That 2018 White team did lack talent. My daughter plays on another club from Long Island (2nd 2018 Team on that club) and they played 2018 White and it wasnt even a game. I was very surprised and spoke to some of the parents on TG 2018 White at that game and they expressed their disappointment as well. I would have thought that club would have had far more talent.

My daughter is 2017, but a good friend of mine, who's not easy to please, he said they did pretty well, and thinks they're very close to being as good as purple.

I did not see the Purple Team play this year to be honest so I can not make that comparison but I would be surprised if that was the case. My daughter plays on the 2nd Elevate Team and they played the 2018 White team and it wasnt really much of a game. I was surprised and thought that the White team would have been better. Maybe it was just a bad tournament for them, you never know but I thought that they would have been more competitive.

The Elevate 2021 Team also beat TG 2021 Black at National Draw.

the further you get from the top team the worse the coaching

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exactly... BS taking the JY model. At least all the chatter now can stop about YJ being the only money grab around

In defense of BS and CR, if they have 90-100 girls trying out for their programs at each age level, and they could provide coaches for each team, why wouldn't they add additional teams to service a demand for their product. What should be done with the 50 or so girls who don't make the the a or b team in their age division? If those kids and their parents want them involved with travel lacrosse why not? If their parents don't want to pay that fee they can try out for another less expensive club. But if the demand is there then they should offer the service, and grow the game.

P.S. Black,Purple, White, Blue, Yellow, Green its all a money grab whether your on the top team or the third team (or 5th team in YJ case).

But as a parent it is YOUR responsibility to put your child in a place where they will learn and grow. Everyone knows the 3rd, 4th and 5th teams will not get ANYWHERE near the treatment the 1st and 2nd teams will get. If your kid is settiling for a 3rd team and can go somewhere else and play with better kids on a 2nd team, why settle? Also, those lower teams will be treated as if they are non-existent. AND if I were BS or SS wouldnt you want to at least keep some shred of credibility and instead of just putting any kid on the field, field teams with kids that represent YOUR brand? It represents their brand, but maybe they care more about a few grand and less about the brand.

I was disappointed when they announced the forming of a 3 rd team. Them one thing they had above tj was they only carried 2 teams not 3 4 or 5. Now it makes me wonder if it's only about the money

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was disappointed when they announced the forming of a 3 rd team. Them one thing they had above tj was they only carried 2 teams not 3 4 or 5. Now it makes me wonder if it's only about the money

NO need to wonder. It i$.

i type too fast!! *The one thing and yj not tj
there were about 75 girls at 2019 tryout I say keep the 2 teams and cut the rest loose keep ur reputation and don't put yourself in same boat as CR

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was disappointed when they announced the forming of a 3 rd team. Them one thing they had above tj was they only carried 2 teams not 3 4 or 5. Now it makes me wonder if it's only about the money

NO need to wonder. It i$.

When do the emails go out? Do they go out for girls who don't make it as well?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was disappointed when they announced the forming of a 3 rd team. Them one thing they had above tj was they only carried 2 teams not 3 4 or 5. Now it makes me wonder if it's only about the money

If your daughter is on the first or second team, you have nothing to worry about

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the emails go out? Do they go out for girls who don't make it as well?

Shannon told the 2017 girls that emails will go out Friday, only to girls who make it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was disappointed when they announced the forming of a 3 rd team. Them one thing they had above tj was they only carried 2 teams not 3 4 or 5. Now it makes me wonder if it's only about the money

When larger numbers show up take the age group do a second day
only way to get a better evaluation IMO It may not be what the club wants to but I think they can get a good look at players and maybe even cut down the tryout pool for the second day

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was disappointed when they announced the forming of a 3 rd team. Them one thing they had above tj was they only carried 2 teams not 3 4 or 5. Now it makes me wonder if it's only about the money

When larger numbers show up take the age group do a second day
only way to get a better evaluation IMO It may not be what the club wants to but I think they can get a good look at players and maybe even cut down the tryout pool for the second day

Two hours was enough for 2017. After the skills stations they separated the players into 7v7 groups. The less skilled played against each other, and then there were borderline white v purple, and borderline purple v black. Should be pretty simple to sort out the 3 teams after that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was disappointed when they announced the forming of a 3 rd team. Them one thing they had above tj was they only carried 2 teams not 3 4 or 5. Now it makes me wonder if it's only about the money

When larger numbers show up take the age group do a second day
only way to get a better evaluation IMO It may not be what the club wants to but I think they can get a good look at players and maybe even cut down the tryout pool for the second day

Two hours was enough for 2017. After the skills stations they separated the players into 7v7 groups. The less skilled played against each other, and then there were borderline white v purple, and borderline purple v black. Should be pretty simple to sort out the 3 teams after that.

The white 2017 team is going to be very weak

when will results from tryouts for this year be posted

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i type too fast!! *The one thing and yj not tj
there were about 75 girls at 2019 tryout I say keep the 2 teams and cut the rest loose keep ur reputation and don't put yourself in same boat as CR

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was disappointed when they announced the forming of a 3 rd team. Them one thing they had above tj was they only carried 2 teams not 3 4 or 5. Now it makes me wonder if it's only about the money

NO need to wonder. It i$.

The good news is I heard the same thing and counted about 75 at 2019 tryouts which means BS has probably accepted that he needs to cut roster sizes down to 22 max. No way to form 3 teams with only 75 kids trying out if he doesn't.

Sure there is. Make 3 teams of 25. Nobody gets cut and he makes more money

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i type too fast!! *The one thing and yj not tj
there were about 75 girls at 2019 tryout I say keep the 2 teams and cut the rest loose keep ur reputation and don't put yourself in same boat as CR

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was disappointed when they announced the forming of a 3 rd team. Them one thing they had above tj was they only carried 2 teams not 3 4 or 5. Now it makes me wonder if it's only about the money

NO need to wonder. It i$.

The good news is I heard the same thing and counted about 75 at 2019 tryouts which means BS has probably accepted that he needs to cut roster sizes down to 22 max. No way to form 3 teams with only 75 kids trying out if he doesn't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i type too fast!! *The one thing and yj not tj
there were about 75 girls at 2019 tryout I say keep the 2 teams and cut the rest loose keep ur reputation and don't put yourself in same boat as CR

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was disappointed when they announced the forming of a 3 rd team. Them one thing they had above tj was they only carried 2 teams not 3 4 or 5. Now it makes me wonder if it's only about the money

NO need to wonder. It i$.

The good news is I heard the same thing and counted about 75 at 2019 tryouts which means BS has probably accepted that he needs to cut roster sizes down to 22 max. No way to form 3 teams with only 75 kids trying out if he doesn't.

75 won't make 3 teams, some won't accept purple and walk, some won't accept white and will walk. Best outcome may be 24 on each black and purple, maybe get lucky on white with Just enough to play, maybe 16?

Does anyone know if players from last year did not show up to this years TG tryouts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was disappointed when they announced the forming of a 3 rd team. Them one thing they had above tj was they only carried 2 teams not 3 4 or 5. Now it makes me wonder if it's only about the money

When larger numbers show up take the age group do a second day
only way to get a better evaluation IMO It may not be what the club wants to but I think they can get a good look at players and maybe even cut down the tryout pool for the second day

Two hours was enough for 2017. After the skills stations they separated the players into 7v7 groups. The less skilled played against each other, and then there were borderline white v purple, and borderline purple v black. Should be pretty simple to sort out the 3 teams after that.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Black will not change a single player, they should but they won't. Parents bitched all year about playing time (rightly so) but will pay to watch their daughters play for 5 minutes again. Possible goalie change as purple goalie was selected for U15, glad I'm not a gambling man. Save your money if rostered on white.

My daughter plays black. I did notice a few girls not there. One I know was on vacation and got a tryout prior. I also notice at the end when they divided into 3 groups black had a few girls I did not recognize scrimmaging. Will be interesting to see what kind of movement here is including my own 😳

I did notice a lot of goalies at 2019 tryout. I think 6? Last yr I only remember 2 or 3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was disappointed when they announced the forming of a 3 rd team. Them one thing they had above tj was they only carried 2 teams not 3 4 or 5. Now it makes me wonder if it's only about the money

When larger numbers show up take the age group do a second day
only way to get a better evaluation IMO It may not be what the club wants to but I think they can get a good look at players and maybe even cut down the tryout pool for the second day

Two hours was enough for 2017. After the skills stations they separated the players into 7v7 groups. The less skilled played against each other, and then there were borderline white v purple, and borderline purple v black. Should be pretty simple to sort out the 3 teams after that.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Black will not change a single player, they should but they won't. Parents bitched all year about playing time (rightly so) but will pay to watch their daughters play for 5 minutes again. Possible goalie change as purple goalie was selected for U15, glad I'm not a gambling man. Save your money if rostered on white.

What do you mean, I have no idea what I'm talking about? All I said was that two hours were enough to pick the teams, and that they sorted them out by color, and by new or less skilled players. Not sure how that applies to all your rambling. Yes, purple goalie is the best at 2017, and will probably be moved. Last year, all three teams had a few changes, so could happen again. If you're not happy try somewhere else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter plays black. I did notice a few girls not there. One I know was on vacation and got a tryout prior. I also notice at the end when they divided into 3 groups black had a few girls I did not recognize scrimmaging. Will be interesting to see what kind of movement here is including my own 😳

There were a few 2017 purple scrimmaging with black

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter plays black. I did notice a few girls not there. One I know was on vacation and got a tryout prior. I also notice at the end when they divided into 3 groups black had a few girls I did not recognize scrimmaging. Will be interesting to see what kind of movement here is including my own 😳

What age?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter plays black. I did notice a few girls not there. One I know was on vacation and got a tryout prior. I also notice at the end when they divided into 3 groups black had a few girls I did not recognize scrimmaging. Will be interesting to see what kind of movement here is including my own 😳

What age?

2019

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter plays black. I did notice a few girls not there. One I know was on vacation and got a tryout prior. I also notice at the end when they divided into 3 groups black had a few girls I did not recognize scrimmaging. Will be interesting to see what kind of movement here is including my own 😳

There were a few 2017 purple scrimmaging with black

There were some black 2017 scrimmaging with white too. Means nothing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was disappointed when they announced the forming of a 3 rd team. Them one thing they had above tj was they only carried 2 teams not 3 4 or 5. Now it makes me wonder if it's only about the money

When larger numbers show up take the age group do a second day
only way to get a better evaluation IMO It may not be what the club wants to but I think they can get a good look at players and maybe even cut down the tryout pool for the second day

Two hours was enough for 2017. After the skills stations they separated the players into 7v7 groups. The less skilled played against each other, and then there were borderline white v purple, and borderline purple v black. Should be pretty simple to sort out the 3 teams after that.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Black will not change a single player, they should but they won't. Parents bitched all year about playing time (rightly so) but will pay to watch their daughters play for 5 minutes again. Possible goalie change as purple goalie was selected for U15, glad I'm not a gambling man. Save your money if rostered on white.

What do you mean, I have no idea what I'm talking about? All I said was that two hours were enough to pick the teams, and that they sorted them out by color, and by new or less skilled players. Not sure how that applies to all your rambling. Yes, purple goalie is the best at 2017, and will probably be moved. Last year, all three teams had a few changes, so could happen again. If you're not happy try somewhere else.

Simmer down. I happen to be over the moon thrilled w TG and the entire staff. You think they "sorted by color" which is not entirely true. Of course with 80 girls some will be w teammates but it did not look like the segrated by ability and last year was the first year for white so "all three teams" could not possibly have had changes. Best of luck to ALL who tried out, will be a joyful or tearful weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was disappointed when they announced the forming of a 3 rd team. Them one thing they had above tj was they only carried 2 teams not 3 4 or 5. Now it makes me wonder if it's only about the money

When larger numbers show up take the age group do a second day
only way to get a better evaluation IMO It may not be what the club wants to but I think they can get a good look at players and maybe even cut down the tryout pool for the second day

Two hours was enough for 2017. After the skills stations they separated the players into 7v7 groups. The less skilled played against each other, and then there were borderline white v purple, and borderline purple v black. Should be pretty simple to sort out the 3 teams after that.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Black will not change a single player, they should but they won't. Parents bitched all year about playing time (rightly so) but will pay to watch their daughters play for 5 minutes again. Possible goalie change as purple goalie was selected for U15, glad I'm not a gambling man. Save your money if rostered on white.

What do you mean, I have no idea what I'm talking about? All I said was that two hours were enough to pick the teams, and that they sorted them out by color, and by new or less skilled players. Not sure how that applies to all your rambling. Yes, purple goalie is the best at 2017, and will probably be moved. Last year, all three teams had a few changes, so could happen again. If you're not happy try somewhere else.

Simmer down. I happen to be over the moon thrilled w TG and the entire staff. You think they "sorted by color" which is not entirely true. Of course with 80 girls some will be w teammates but it did not look like the segrated by ability and last year was the first year for white so "all three teams" could not possibly have had changes. Best of luck to ALL who tried out, will be a joyful or tearful weekend.

I said it was mixes of colors, not exactly sorted by color. Man, you're really just looking for an argument. And we had girls last year, who moved from purple to white, and purple to black, and black to purple. So, there was movement among all 3 teams. You need to simmer down. Everything I said originally was true, and made sense. For some reason you said I have no idea what I'm talking about! I'm a big TG fan too. No need to try to pick my post apart...

You really are an idiot , if you played TG last year they know what team you are on before tryouts . If you are new depends on connections first and try out second . He you practiced w at tryout means nothing .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where were all the TG people at team BBQ yesterday, not a good turnout, very disappointing. Jump ship ?

TG is more of a "team" club than a club at an overall organization level. The TG teams hang out a little but not as an organization. I know Team Elevate was having their year end event tonight and were having 400 parents and kids attending. TG should try and create an atmosphere like that, I know the kids would enjoy it more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where were all the TG people at team BBQ yesterday, not a good turnout, very disappointing. Jump ship ?

TG is more of a "team" club than a club at an overall organization level. The TG teams hang out a little but not as an organization. I know Team Elevate was having their year end event tonight and were having 400 parents and kids attending. TG should try and create an atmosphere like that, I know the kids would enjoy it more.

Elevate's owner is on here again trying to plug his club. Don't fall for it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You really are an idiot , if you played TG last year they know what team you are on before tryouts . If you are new depends on connections first and try out second . He you practiced w at tryout means nothing .

You are the idiot. I would agree with that, for the most part, but I just gave you real examples of kids that were moved, unexpectedly. You missed my point anyway. Your replies don't even correspond with my original point. I hope you're just a kid, and that would explain it. Otherwise, it you're an adult, it's sad that you can't follow along. Never mind.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where were all the TG people at team BBQ yesterday, not a good turnout, very disappointing. Jump ship ?

TG is more of a "team" club than a club at an overall organization level. The TG teams hang out a little but not as an organization. I know Team Elevate was having their year end event tonight and were having 400 parents and kids attending. TG should try and create an atmosphere like that, I know the kids would enjoy it more.

Elevate's owner is on here again trying to plug his club. Don't fall for it.

There is nothing to fall for. My friend and her daughter went to the event and said that it was amazing. Our kids play travel soccer together and the travel club has a year end event that we all enjoy, she said the Elevate year end event was just incredible and said there was about 400 parents and players and the kids had an amazing time. I don't think anyone is getting you to fall for anything, I think they are suggesting that TG should build that kind of team energy and cohesiveness. It's the same conversation we had about having a team tent. Why not? After all this is about the kids having fun.

I have come to the conclusion that anyone on this site that praising a club and making it look like the greatest place to be in more than likely that clubs director hoping to intrigue people into moving to there club. Anyone who crushing a club is most likely someone whose kid is already on that club and hoping new players do not tryout and take their kids spot. I agree Dave from Elevate is always posting on Top Gun and Yellow Jacket thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have come to the conclusion that anyone on this site that praising a club and making it look like the greatest place to be in more than likely that clubs director hoping to intrigue people into moving to there club. Anyone who crushing a club is most likely someone whose kid is already on that club and hoping new players do not tryout and take their kids spot. I agree Dave from Elevate is always posting on Top Gun and Yellow Jacket thread.

I agree!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have come to the conclusion that anyone on this site that praising a club and making it look like the greatest place to be in more than likely that clubs director hoping to intrigue people into moving to there club. Anyone who crushing a club is most likely someone whose kid is already on that club and hoping new players do not tryout and take their kids spot. I agree Dave from Elevate is always posting on Top Gun and Yellow Jacket thread.

I agree!

Ok so since nobody wants to admit that TG doesn't do "club team building" well, without comparing it to other clubs since people get offended by that, why doesn't TG do more of it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have come to the conclusion that anyone on this site that praising a club and making it look like the greatest place to be in more than likely that clubs director hoping to intrigue people into moving to there club. Anyone who crushing a club is most likely someone whose kid is already on that club and hoping new players do not tryout and take their kids spot. I agree Dave from Elevate is always posting on Top Gun and Yellow Jacket thread.

I agree!

Ok so since nobody wants to admit that TG doesn't do "club team building" well, without comparing it to other clubs since people get offended by that, why doesn't TG do more of it.

Nobody's denying it. You're asking a question nobody can answer, just to be a jerk-off. If you really want an answer, call Bill, and ask him. I'm sure he'd love to hear from you! If that's what's important to you, than TG is not for you. It's simple.

Hey. How many girls left topguns and went with Levy to his new club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey. How many girls left topguns and went with Levy to his new club.

I heard one

Steve's phone is ringing off the hook. He will have very competitive teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have come to the conclusion that anyone on this site that praising a club and making it look like the greatest place to be in more than likely that clubs director hoping to intrigue people into moving to there club. Anyone who crushing a club is most likely someone whose kid is already on that club and hoping new players do not tryout and take their kids spot. I agree Dave from Elevate is always posting on Top Gun and Yellow Jacket thread.

I agree!

Ok so since nobody wants to admit that TG doesn't do "club team building" well, without comparing it to other clubs since people get offended by that, why doesn't TG do more of it.

Nobody's denying it. You're asking a question nobody can answer, just to be a jerk-off. If you really want an answer, call Bill, and ask him. I'm sure he'd love to hear from you! If that's what's important to you, than TG is not for you. It's simple.

Glad you are not taking it personally. Without mentioning the competition, I think it would be good to do some things that they do and they are not that difficult to organize like better club organization at tourneys, bus tour for recruiting years, a real year end event, more team building during the year. These are all great things for the girls.

What is Levys cub name?

Went to start legacy program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey. How many girls left topguns and went with Levy to his new club.

I heard one

Yes, his daughter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You really are an idiot , if you played TG last year they know what team you are on before tryouts . If you are new depends on connections first and try out second . He you practiced w at tryout means nothing .

I would disagree. Directors seem to have no idea of players roles on teams throughout the summer. Also seems to be little or no communication with the coaches from summer, who are nowhere to be found come try out time. I dont think they would respect coaches input anyway, hard to give advice to someone who knows everything anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey. How many girls left topguns and went with Levy to his new club.

The only one not at tryouts was his daughter

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Steve's phone is ringing off the hook. He will have very competitive teams

Ok thanks for the update Mrs. Levy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You really are an idiot , if you played TG last year they know what team you are on before tryouts . If you are new depends on connections first and try out second . He you practiced w at tryout means nothing .

I would disagree. Directors seem to have no idea of players roles on teams throughout the summer. Also seems to be little or no communication with the coaches from summer, who are nowhere to be found come try out time. I dont think they would respect coaches input anyway, hard to give advice to someone who knows everything anyway.

That goes back to the lack of being a real club versus individual teams. TG is more of a franchise model - bunch of teams using TG name and follow TG rules. No communication from directors to coaches other than telling them what they must do and telling parents what to pay. Limited communication between directors and parents, that communication goes through coaches. The franchise.

have emails gone out for TG teams yet?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

have emails gone out for TG teams yet?

Yes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

have emails gone out for TG teams yet?

Not yet. Supposedly tonight.

some went out older girls I believe

Originally Posted by Anonymous

some went out older girls I believe

not yet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

some went out older girls I believe

not yet

the suspense is killing me 😳😳

yes they did

Yes, last night

Originally Posted by Anonymous

some went out older girls I believe

not yet

the suspense is killing me 😳😳

Just got 2017 invite! Looking forward to another great year!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

have emails gone out for TG teams yet?

Yes

They are out now. As predicted no movement to 2017

Originally Posted by Anonymous

some went out older girls I believe

not yet

the suspense is killing me 😳😳

Just got 2017 e-mail at 9:05.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

have emails gone out for TG teams yet?

Yes

They are out now. As predicted no movement to 2017

Not true. Where are you getting your false info from?

2019 go out yet?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

have emails gone out for TG teams yet?

Yes

They are out now. As predicted no movement to 2017

Yeah, so much for your prediction. So far, at least 4 girls moving, and will be more.

Does anyone know if the 2019 emails went out?

2020 and 2022 out yet?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 and 2022 out yet?

Maybe they went from oldest to youngest, so probably soon.

2021???

we didn't get one yet. I hate waiting.

19s are out

They start with the 2016 and work out by age group it has to take at least an hour per age group so hang tight and wait.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

have emails gone out for TG teams yet?

Yes

They are out now. As predicted no movement to 2017

Yeah, so much for your prediction. So far, at least 4 girls moving, and will be more.

No movement from from black jackass

Originally Posted by Anonymous

have emails gone out for TG teams yet?

Yes

They are out now. As predicted no movement to 2017

Yeah, so much for your prediction. So far, at least 4 girls moving, and will be more.

No movement from from black jackass

That is strange that there is no movement at 2017 since the team is probably the 5th best team on LI:

1. YJ 2017 Blue
2. Elevate
3. YJ 2017 Gold
4. Liberty
5. TG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

have emails gone out for TG teams yet?

Yes

They are out now. As predicted no movement to 2017

Yeah, so much for your prediction. So far, at least 4 girls moving, and will be more.

No movement from from black jackass

You didn't say BLACK, JACKASS. You said no movement on 2017, as predicted, which wasn't true. Get your facts straight, or don't post nonsense. I'm not sure about no movement on black yet, either...we'll see

Originally Posted by Anonymous

have emails gone out for TG teams yet?

Yes

They are out now. As predicted no movement to 2017

Yeah, so much for your prediction. So far, at least 4 girls moving, and will be more.

No movement from from black jackass

That is strange that there is no movement at 2017 since the team is probably the 5th best team on LI:

1. YJ 2017 Blue
2. Elevate
3. YJ 2017 Gold
4. Liberty
5. TG

Speaking of jackasses...

does this mean that if they are sending out emails for 2019 that 2018 is all sent out?

2021 is out!

Curious how do you know no movement , no roster anywhere?

We received ours. 2020 indigo violet here we come.

When did 2021 go out? Is 2022 out?

If you do not make either team do they send you an emailing letting you know?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

have emails gone out for TG teams yet?

Yes

They are out now. As predicted no movement to 2017

Yeah, so much for your prediction. So far, at least 4 girls moving, and will be more.

No movement from from black jackass

Weakest age group in the TG Black line-up, could have used some help

Originally Posted by Anonymous

have emails gone out for TG teams yet?

Yes

They are out now. As predicted no movement to 2017

Yeah, so much for your prediction. So far, at least 4 girls moving, and will be more.

No movement from from black jackass

Weakest age group in the TG Black line-up, could have used some help

So there were absolutely no changes to 2017 black?

[quote=Anonymous]If you do not make either team do they send you an emailing letting you know?[/quote

Here is how it works

First.... Check your junk email it may be in there.

If you didn't get an email it does not mean you are out. When a black or purple players gets moved down they are bumping players off the white team. When the players being bumped decide not to play for TG the spots open up and are filled next week after the acceptance emails come in. If a black player that was moved to purple says no a top purple player is n moved up to black and down the line and the next kid is added back to white.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

have emails gone out for TG teams yet?

Yes

They are out now. As predicted no movement to 2017

Yeah, so much for your prediction. So far, at least 4 girls moving, and will be more.

No movement from from black jackass

Weakest age group in the TG Black line-up, could have used some help

Agreed, too many fish in a small pond. And to the previous poster who was asking about rosters the girls all text each other-no movement on black (previous poster predicted correctly). Little but smart changes to purple. And yes '18 emails went out,.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you do not make either team do they send you an emailing letting you know?

No, they don't notify u if your daughter didn't make a team. Wait till the end of the day, we've had people get emails hours apart within the same year.

2022 posted. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you do not make either team do they send you an emailing letting you know?

no

Who are the top 4 girls programs on Long Island? Would it be YJ, TG, Liberty, and Elevate? Obviously, age group will matter too. Are fl$, Express, and Team 91 up there too?

Lady Eagles ...Rocky Point .
Period!

quote=Anonymous]Who are the top 4 girls programs on Long Island? Would it be YJ, TG, Liberty, and Elevate? Obviously, age group will matter too. Are fl$, Express, and Team 91 up there too? [/quote]

Is it worth it to play white for top guns rather than playing on A or B for another program?

Relax Mike..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lady Eagles ...Rocky Point .
Period!

quote=Anonymous]Who are the top 4 girls programs on Long Island? Would it be YJ, TG, Liberty, and Elevate? Obviously, age group will matter too. Are fl$, Express, and Team 91 up there too?

[/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it worth it to play white for top guns rather than playing on A or B for another program?

Bird in the hand. You have to make the other clubs A or B team!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it worth it to play white for top guns rather than playing on A or B for another program?

No. Go with the A or B program

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it worth it to play white for top guns rather than playing on A or B for another program?

Bird in the hand. You have to make the other clubs A or B team!

For the last time-not a single change to blacl 17. Only change will be if benchwarmers are smart enough to go elsewhere

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]If you do not make either team do they send you an emailing letting you know?[/quote

Here is how it works

First.... Check your junk email it may be in there.

If you didn't get an email it does not mean you are out. When a black or purple players gets moved down they are bumping players off the white team. When the players being bumped decide not to play for TG the spots open up and are filled next week after the acceptance emails come in. If a black player that was moved to purple says no a top purple player is n moved up to black and down the line and the next kid is added back to white.

They will just keep dumping scraps on white team until they fill a team and all the checks clear. If you don't make another club you can always go back to the white team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it worth it to play white for top guns rather than playing on A or B for another program?

My Daughters B team crushed the white team this summer, they were awful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lady Eagles ...Rocky Point .
Period!

quote=Anonymous]Who are the top 4 girls programs on Long Island? Would it be YJ, TG, Liberty, and Elevate? Obviously, age group will matter too. Are fl$, Express, and Team 91 up there too?

[/quote]

Yes - that's a fair assessment of the top except the 91, fl$, express are way behind those clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it worth it to play white for top guns rather than playing on A or B for another program?

Bird in the hand. You have to make the other clubs A or B team!

HERE IS THE DEAL, Go to another tryout for other teams, if you DO NOT make any of them by the time YJ trouts come, you can always play on YJ as they take veryone that is why they have their tryout last. You have no risk in going elsewhere and there is only an upsaide. The white teams are so bad. Your daughter will not be happy there with the quality/skill level. Register for other tryouts and you can always go to YJ. If she makes a 5th YJ team it would be better than playing white.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the top 4 girls programs on Long Island? Would it be YJ, TG, Liberty, and Elevate? Obviously, age group will matter too. Are fl$, Express, and Team 91 up there too?

fl$, 91 and Express are C level teams. Go to the tryouts for the otehrs and if she can not make those then you have the other ones as a fall back. Although, fl$ has lost so many kids I do not know if they will have enough to field a team. They had to combine age groups last year just to have enough kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it worth it to play white for top guns rather than playing on A or B for another program?

Bird in the hand. You have to make the other clubs A or B team!

HERE IS THE DEAL, Go to another tryout for other teams, if you DO NOT make any of them by the time YJ trouts come, you can always play on YJ as they take veryone that is why they have their tryout last. You have no risk in going elsewhere and there is only an upsaide. The white teams are so bad. Your daughter will not be happy there with the quality/skill level. Register for other tryouts and you can always go to YJ. If she makes a 5th YJ team it would be better than playing white.

Spot on response. Don't be lazy at the 17&18 level for your daughters sake go to other tryouts!! Your daughter is obviously not a top player, especially if she is on white for a second year, but she could be an A or B team for another organization. If you settle for white you have no one else to blame but yourself. And she's not moving inext year as a 3rd year player.

Oh please Elevate is not the second best team. YJ Gold can wipe the floor with them. They won because a few players were out of town. Good team, not great. And I am not a YJ parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it worth it to play white for top guns rather than playing on A or B for another program?

Bird in the hand. You have to make the other clubs A or B team!

HERE IS THE DEAL, Go to another tryout for other teams, if you DO NOT make any of them by the time YJ trouts come, you can always play on YJ as they take veryone that is why they have their tryout last. You have no risk in going elsewhere and there is only an upsaide. The white teams are so bad. Your daughter will not be happy there with the quality/skill level. Register for other tryouts and you can always go to YJ. If she makes a 5th YJ team it would be better than playing white.

Spot on response. Don't be lazy at the 17&18 level for your daughters sake go to other tryouts!! Your daughter is obviously not a top player, especially if she is on white for a second year, but she could be an A or B team for another organization. If you settle for white you have no one else to blame but yourself. And she's not moving inext year as a 3rd year player.

Agree. There are too many options out there to settle for that White team.

Does anyone know if 2019 black took any new girls?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it worth it to play white for top guns rather than playing on A or B for another program?

Bird in the hand. You have to make the other clubs A or B team!

HERE IS THE DEAL, Go to another tryout for other teams, if you DO NOT make any of them by the time YJ trouts come, you can always play on YJ as they take veryone that is why they have their tryout last. You have no risk in going elsewhere and there is only an upsaide. The white teams are so bad. Your daughter will not be happy there with the quality/skill level. Register for other tryouts and you can always go to YJ. If she makes a 5th YJ team it would be better than playing white.

Spot on response. Don't be lazy at the 17&18 level for your daughters sake go to other tryouts!! Your daughter is obviously not a top player, especially if she is on white for a second year, but she could be an A or B team for another organization. If you settle for white you have no one else to blame but yourself. And she's not moving inext year as a 3rd year player.

What program does a C player go to, and make an A team? I have a feeling that's not happening! B team maybe...

Yes very well ran program , mandatory weekly boot camp and well coached d1 bound players , all for free ! Yup thats right free.
And even better not even affiliated with the hs program coaching .
Top that .

quote=Anonymous]Lady Eagles ...Rocky Point .
Period!

quote=Anonymous]Who are the top 4 girls programs on Long Island? Would it be YJ, TG, Liberty, and Elevate? Obviously, age group will matter too. Are fl$, Express, and Team 91 up there too? [/quote] [/quote]

I guess you know all the clubs at all age levels ability??? fl$, 91 and Express have very competitive teams(Not all C level)...it is NOT all about TG or YJ out there...

Word is the main guy coaches the HS team from the stands!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes very well ran program , mandatory weekly boot camp and well coached d1 bound players , all for free ! Yup thats right free.
And even better not even affiliated with the hs program coaching .
Top that .

quote=Anonymous]Lady Eagles ...Rocky Point .
Period!

quote=Anonymous]Who are the top 4 girls programs on Long Island? Would it be YJ, TG, Liberty, and Elevate? Obviously, age group will matter too. Are fl$, Express, and Team 91 up there too?

[/quote][/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the top 4 girls programs on Long Island? Would it be YJ, TG, Liberty, and Elevate? Obviously, age group will matter too. Are fl$, Express, and Team 91 up there too?

I dont know if the top 4 are in that order but based on ALL age groups as an "overall", I would agree those are the top 4 clubs on LI. I have not seen Express play recently but all of teh boys programs, 91 and fl$ especially on the girls side are not very good. The talent is weak and they do not compete in the top tournaments and they still dont fare well in the B and C tournaments. Overall I think you have the top 4 Teams but within each age group there would be arguaments about what order.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess you know all the clubs at all age levels ability??? fl$, 91 and Express have very competitive teams(Not all C level)...it is NOT all about TG or YJ out there...

The poster did include Elevate and Liberty. I would tend to agree that not all 91 teams are C level, I think one might be a B lvel team (2017's). The rest would be C level at 91 and fl$ has become such a shell of a girls program I do not know if it should be mentioned here at all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it worth it to play white for top guns rather than playing on A or B for another program?

My Daughters B team crushed the white team this summer, they were awful.

what age group? What club does your daughter play for?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it worth it to play white for top guns rather than playing on A or B for another program?

My Daughters B team crushed the white team this summer, they were awful.

what age group? What club does your daughter play for?

2018 Elevate B team beat TG White easily this summer. Was surprised how weak that TG team was. Was not competitive game at all.

Where?

Emails out for 2021. My daughter is new. Made white. Any new kids make black or purple?

A lot of know it all's. How can you speak of other teams if you were not on them? My daughter played on a White team, had a great time, was competitive and did not have to deal with all of the bickering that I see on these posts. Parents know their kids level and was a great expirence, coaching and training was good.

The few games that were blow outs were against tough competition or teams that had a couple of very talented players who scored most of the goals!

There was no issue with playing time and only a few players who didn't belong, not necassaraly because of their talent. Some because of their parents. Don't think they returned, TG.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Emails out for 2021. My daughter is new. Made white. Any new kids make black or purple?

2021 white? The black team wasn't very good last year, I can only imagine what skill level will be on white? Look elsewhere before you put your daughter on that team, she will be better off.

YES THAT'S ACCURATE ABOUT COACHING FROM THE STANDS, THAT'S WHY THE TEAM WAS HORRIBLE THIS PAST SEASON , ATLEAST THATS WHAT THE PAID COACHES ARE BLAIMING IT ON .

quote=Anonymous]Word is the main guy coaches the HS team from the stands!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes very well ran program , mandatory weekly boot camp and well coached d1 bound players , all for free ! Yup thats right free.
And even better not even affiliated with the hs program coaching .
Top that .

quote=Anonymous]Lady Eagles ...Rocky Point .
Period!

quote=Anonymous]Who are the top 4 girls programs on Long Island? Would it be YJ, TG, Liberty, and Elevate? Obviously, age group will matter too. Are fl$, Express, and Team 91 up there too?

[/quote][/quote] [/quote]

That is great for Rocky point kids but what is everyone else suppose to do? We don't have that so we have to pay for it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Emails out for 2021. My daughter is new. Made white. Any new kids make black or purple?

2021 white? The black team wasn't very good last year, I can only imagine what skill level will be on white? Look elsewhere before you put your daughter on that team, she will be better off.

True. The 2021 Black went 1-3 at National Dram losing to YJ, Elevate and M&D and only neat a bad mixed age Skywalker Team. 2021 is not a strong group and the White team will be weak at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YES THAT'S ACCURATE ABOUT COACHING FROM THE STANDS, THAT'S WHY THE TEAM WAS HORRIBLE THIS PAST SEASON , ATLEAST THATS WHAT THE PAID COACHES ARE BLAIMING IT ON .

quote=Anonymous]Word is the main guy coaches the HS team from the stands!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes very well ran program , mandatory weekly boot camp and well coached d1 bound players , all for free ! Yup thats right free.
And even better not even affiliated with the hs program coaching .
Top that .

quote=Anonymous]Lady Eagles ...Rocky Point .
Period!

quote=Anonymous]Who are the top 4 girls programs on Long Island? Would it be YJ, TG, Liberty, and Elevate? Obviously, age group will matter too. Are fl$, Express, and Team 91 up there too?

[/quote] [/quote] [/quote]

What are you guys talking about? Rocky Pt?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Emails out for 2021. My daughter is new. Made white. Any new kids make black or purple?

2021 white? The black team wasn't very good last year, I can only imagine what skill level will be on white? Look elsewhere before you put your daughter on that team, she will be better off.

True. The 2021 Black went 1-3 at National Dram losing to YJ, Elevate and M&D and only neat a bad mixed age Skywalker Team. 2021 is not a strong group and the White team will be weak at best.

Any changes?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Emails out for 2021. My daughter is new. Made white. Any new kids make black or purple?

2021 white? The black team wasn't very good last year, I can only imagine what skill level will be on white? Look elsewhere before you put your daughter on that team, she will be better off.

Parents, before you pluck down a lot of money to be on a white team, explore your options. In many age groups TG isn't very good. Being on a 3rd team in an age group on TG means even less, especially in age groups where they never carried 3 teams before. Explore your options. Many kids who you think are on or were offered the white team will be exploring their options regardless of what they tell you. Think before you spend a lot of money. Advice from somebody who has been there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Emails out for 2021. My daughter is new. Made white. Any new kids make black or purple?

Unbelievable. The 2021 Black team was so bad last year, I can't imagine why they would bother with a purple team, let alone a white team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Emails out for 2021. My daughter is new. Made white. Any new kids make black or purple?

2021 white? The black team wasn't very good last year, I can only imagine what skill level will be on white? Look elsewhere before you put your daughter on that team, she will be better off.

True. The 2021 Black went 1-3 at National Dram losing to YJ, Elevate and M&D and only neat a bad mixed age Skywalker Team. 2021 is not a strong group and the White team will be weak at best.

Any changes?

I think the purple goalie went to Black (at tryouts the had her with black team in the final scrimmage of tryouts and the last years black goalie was with the purple team). She is an exceptional goalie. Kept the purple team in many games because of ridiculous saves (and before a wise guy says something, no I am not her dad).

2019 Black added 2 from outside organization

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Emails out for 2021. My daughter is new. Made white. Any new kids make black or purple?

2021 white? The black team wasn't very good last year, I can only imagine what skill level will be on white? Look elsewhere before you put your daughter on that team, she will be better off.

Parents, before you pluck down a lot of money to be on a white team, explore your options. In many age groups TG isn't very good. Being on a 3rd team in an age group on TG means even less, especially in age groups where they never carried 3 teams before. Explore your options. Many kids who you think are on or were offered the white team will be exploring their options regardless of what they tell you. Think before you spend a lot of money. Advice from somebody who has been there.

Explore your options is no longer possible, TG in a panic, your money is due now , they know if you explore your options you will be gone.

Yes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 Black added 2 from outside organization

they should've taken 2 from their purple team. Some very good players there

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Emails out for 2021. My daughter is new. Made white. Any new kids make black or purple?

2021 white? The black team wasn't very good last year, I can only imagine what skill level will be on white? Look elsewhere before you put your daughter on that team, she will be better off.

Parents, before you pluck down a lot of money to be on a white team, explore your options. In many age groups TG isn't very good. Being on a 3rd team in an age group on TG means even less, especially in age groups where they never carried 3 teams before. Explore your options. Many kids who you think are on or were offered the white team will be exploring their options regardless of what they tell you. Think before you spend a lot of money. Advice from somebody who has been there.

Explore your options is no longer possible, TG in a panic, your money is due now , they know if you explore your options you will be gone.

That is why they have their tryout first. They want to pressure you into a decision. It's the parents responsibility to not fall into the trap and pressure and do what is right by finding what is right for their kid and not just succumbing to TG telling you that you have a few days to send a check. There are a lot of options out there for your kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Emails out for 2021. My daughter is new. Made white. Any new kids make black or purple?

2021 white? The black team wasn't very good last year, I can only imagine what skill level will be on white? Look elsewhere before you put your daughter on that team, she will be better off.

Parents, before you pluck down a lot of money to be on a white team, explore your options. In many age groups TG isn't very good. Being on a 3rd team in an age group on TG means even less, especially in age groups where they never carried 3 teams before. Explore your options. Many kids who you think are on or were offered the white team will be exploring their options regardless of what they tell you. Think before you spend a lot of money. Advice from somebody who has been there.

Explore your options is no longer possible, TG in a panic, your money is due now , they know if you explore your options you will be gone.

That is why they have their tryout first. They want to pressure you into a decision. It's the parents responsibility to not fall into the trap and pressure and do what is right by finding what is right for their kid and not just succumbing to TG telling you that you have a few days to send a check. There are a lot of options out there for your kid.

Or maybe it's because they only want kids and families who want TG as their first choice. YJ chooses the opposite strategy - go try everywhere else, and we'll take everyone who's left over, and wants to pay. TG takes a chance, having early tryouts early, and loses money by doing it this way. They would still rather have people that want to be there, and not the ones that wanted someplace else, but didn't make it. They don't want to be your insurance policy. If they were only in it for the money, they'd have tryouts later. Oh, and they give you two weeks not a few days to pay.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Emails out for 2021. My daughter is new. Made white. Any new kids make black or purple?

2021 white? The black team wasn't very good last year, I can only imagine what skill level will be on white? Look elsewhere before you put your daughter on that team, she will be better off.

Parents, before you pluck down a lot of money to be on a white team, explore your options. In many age groups TG isn't very good. Being on a 3rd team in an age group on TG means even less, especially in age groups where they never carried 3 teams before. Explore your options. Many kids who you think are on or were offered the white team will be exploring their options regardless of what they tell you. Think before you spend a lot of money. Advice from somebody who has been there.

Explore your options is no longer possible, TG in a panic, your money is due now , they know if you explore your options you will be gone.

That is why they have their tryout first. They want to pressure you into a decision. It's the parents responsibility to not fall into the trap and pressure and do what is right by finding what is right for their kid and not just succumbing to TG telling you that you have a few days to send a check. There are a lot of options out there for your kid.

THe check is due by Sept. 15, you can still go to Beach Bums Tryouts and a few others before the check is due.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Emails out for 2021. My daughter is new. Made white. Any new kids make black or purple?

2021 white? The black team wasn't very good last year, I can only imagine what skill level will be on white? Look elsewhere before you put your daughter on that team, she will be better off.

Parents, before you pluck down a lot of money to be on a white team, explore your options. In many age groups TG isn't very good. Being on a 3rd team in an age group on TG means even less, especially in age groups where they never carried 3 teams before. Explore your options. Many kids who you think are on or were offered the white team will be exploring their options regardless of what they tell you. Think before you spend a lot of money. Advice from somebody who has been there.

Explore your options is no longer possible, TG in a panic, your money is due now , they know if you explore your options you will be gone.

That is why they have their tryout first. They want to pressure you into a decision. It's the parents responsibility to not fall into the trap and pressure and do what is right by finding what is right for their kid and not just succumbing to TG telling you that you have a few days to send a check. There are a lot of options out there for your kid.

Or maybe it's because they only want kids and families who want TG as their first choice. YJ chooses the opposite strategy - go try everywhere else, and we'll take everyone who's left over, and wants to pay. TG takes a chance, having early tryouts early, and loses money by doing it this way. They would still rather have people that want to be there, and not the ones that wanted someplace else, but didn't make it. They don't want to be your insurance policy. If they were only in it for the money, they'd have tryouts later. Oh, and they give you two weeks not a few days to pay.

Yes - early admission to TG White team - that makes sense

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Emails out for 2021. My daughter is new. Made white. Any new kids make black or purple?

2021 white? The black team wasn't very good last year, I can only imagine what skill level will be on white? Look elsewhere before you put your daughter on that team, she will be better off.

Parents, before you pluck down a lot of money to be on a white team, explore your options. In many age groups TG isn't very good. Being on a 3rd team in an age group on TG means even less, especially in age groups where they never carried 3 teams before. Explore your options. Many kids who you think are on or were offered the white team will be exploring their options regardless of what they tell you. Think before you spend a lot of money. Advice from somebody who has been there.

Explore your options is no longer possible, TG in a panic, your money is due now , they know if you explore your options you will be gone.

That is why they have their tryout first. They want to pressure you into a decision. It's the parents responsibility to not fall into the trap and pressure and do what is right by finding what is right for their kid and not just succumbing to TG telling you that you have a few days to send a check. There are a lot of options out there for your kid.

Or maybe it's because they only want kids and families who want TG as their first choice. YJ chooses the opposite strategy - go try everywhere else, and we'll take everyone who's left over, and wants to pay. TG takes a chance, having early tryouts early, and loses money by doing it this way. They would still rather have people that want to be there, and not the ones that wanted someplace else, but didn't make it. They don't want to be your insurance policy. If they were only in it for the money, they'd have tryouts later. Oh, and they give you two weeks not a few days to pay.

Or maybe People know you are better off on YJ second or third team than TG second or third

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Emails out for 2021. My daughter is new. Made white. Any new kids make black or purple?

2021 white? The black team wasn't very good last year, I can only imagine what skill level will be on white? Look elsewhere before you put your daughter on that team, she will be better off.

Parents, before you pluck down a lot of money to be on a white team, explore your options. In many age groups TG isn't very good. Being on a 3rd team in an age group on TG means even less, especially in age groups where they never carried 3 teams before. Explore your options. Many kids who you think are on or were offered the white team will be exploring their options regardless of what they tell you. Think before you spend a lot of money. Advice from somebody who has been there.

Explore your options is no longer possible, TG in a panic, your money is due now , they know if you explore your options you will be gone.

That is why they have their tryout first. They want to pressure you into a decision. It's the parents responsibility to not fall into the trap and pressure and do what is right by finding what is right for their kid and not just succumbing to TG telling you that you have a few days to send a check. There are a lot of options out there for your kid.

THe check is due by Sept. 15, you can still go to Beach Bums Tryouts and a few others before the check is due.

Elevate, Beach Bums, South Shore Turf, Icon. All better options than a white team, especially a second or third year on white. Your daughter deserves it!!

This sounds like an obnoxious YJ parent. The TG purple in some age groups is very good, not sure about white. The TG coaches want people who have TG as their first choice, like the poster above says. YJ has four or five teams basically comprised of whoever else is left. TG wants people who want to be there, not just people who haven't made anything else, and the YJ Gold and Blue is good, but the other teams are basically just to fund the top teams.

If that's what you think, then this scenario is perfect. Tryout for TG and if don't make team you want, "sign up" for YJ, no cuts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This sounds like an obnoxious YJ parent. The TG purple in some age groups is very good, not sure about white. The TG coaches want people who have TG as their first choice, like the poster above says. YJ has four or five teams basically comprised of whoever else is left. TG wants people who want to be there, not just people who haven't made anything else, and the YJ Gold and Blue is good, but the other teams are basically just to fund the top teams.

Well said!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If that's what you think, then this scenario is perfect. Tryout for TG and if don't make team you want, "sign up" for YJ, no cuts

this was a reply to:
"Or maybe People know you are better off on YJ second or third team than TG second or third"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 Black added 2 from outside organization

they should've taken 2 from their purple team. Some very good players there

Outsiders said No so now they can take a purple kid.

Anyone know how successful the 2019 teams are?

How do you know this, no roster. Any other movement at 19?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do you know this, no roster. Any other movement at 19?

They probably don't know. People just make stuff up

If a player got invite to purple and a black says no. Will they automatically pull up a purple? Do they send a new email?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 Black added 2 from outside organization

they should've taken 2 from their purple team. Some very good players there

Outsiders said No so now they can take a purple kid.

why would they say no? Why try out?

THe check is due by Sept. 15, you can still go to Beach Bums Tryouts and a few others before the check is due. [/quote]

Elevate, Beach Bums, South Shore Turf, Icon. All better options than a white team, especially a second or third year on white. Your daughter deserves it!![/quote]

Just thinking outside the box, how about asking your kid what they want. I did and she said she enjoyed her self last year and is OK playing for white. Some of these posts are pathetic. I hope the posters do not return to TG.

Are they having two teams at the 2022 level? Did not seem like a lot of girls at the tryout. We're there already girls who were slotted for the team but not at the tryout?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Emails out for 2021. My daughter is new. Made white. Any new kids make black or purple?

2021 white? The black team wasn't very good last year, I can only imagine what skill level will be on white? Look elsewhere before you put your daughter on that team, she will be better off.

Parents, before you pluck down a lot of money to be on a white team, explore your options. In many age groups TG isn't very good. Being on a 3rd team in an age group on TG means even less, especially in age groups where they never carried 3 teams before. Explore your options. Many kids who you think are on or were offered the white team will be exploring their options regardless of what they tell you. Think before you spend a lot of money. Advice from somebody who has been there.

Explore your options is no longer possible, TG in a panic, your money is due now , they know if you explore your options you will be gone.

That is why they have their tryout first. They want to pressure you into a decision. It's the parents responsibility to not fall into the trap and pressure and do what is right by finding what is right for their kid and not just succumbing to TG telling you that you have a few days to send a check. There are a lot of options out there for your kid.

Or maybe it's because they only want kids and families who want TG as their first choice. YJ chooses the opposite strategy - go try everywhere else, and we'll take everyone who's left over, and wants to pay. TG takes a chance, having early tryouts early, and loses money by doing it this way. They would still rather have people that want to be there, and not the ones that wanted someplace else, but didn't make it. They don't want to be your insurance policy. If they were only in it for the money, they'd have tryouts later. Oh, and they give you two weeks not a few days to pay.

In addition to the above argument, I am also happy to have tryouts over with before other fall sports start. If a kid is a soccer or field hockey player as well, they may have to possibly miss a game to attend tryouts later in the fall. My kid plays soccer and if she was to try out for beach bums, legacy or YJ, she would have to miss a game as she has conflicts during each of those tryouts.

This way Lax tryouts are over, she can start school and her fall season without worrying about tryouts or waiting for which team she made.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

THe check is due by Sept. 15, you can still go to Beach Bums Tryouts and a few others before the check is due.

Elevate, Beach Bums, South Shore Turf, Icon. All better options than a white team, especially a second or third year on white. Your daughter deserves it!![/quote]

Just thinking outside the box, how about asking your kid what they want. I did and she said she enjoyed her self last year and is OK playing for white. Some of these posts are pathetic. I hope the posters do not return to TG. [/quote]

She shouldn't be OK playing somewhere - she should be HAPPY to play somewhere. That is the point YOU should be getting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Emails out for 2021. My daughter is new. Made white. Any new kids make black or purple?

2021 white? The black team wasn't very good last year, I can only imagine what skill level will be on white? Look elsewhere before you put your daughter on that team, she will be better off.

Did they move 2021s up or down?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If a player got invite to purple and a black says no. Will they automatically pull up a purple? Do they send a new email?

yes

I agree. Ask your kid what they want. Enjoy the moment and if their happy, leave them alone.. Life to short to worry about that nonsense..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

THe check is due by Sept. 15, you can still go to Beach Bums Tryouts and a few others before the check is due.

Elevate, Beach Bums, South Shore Turf, Icon. All better options than a white team, especially a second or third year on white. Your daughter deserves it!!

Just thinking outside the box, how about asking your kid what they want. I did and she said she enjoyed her self last year and is OK playing for white. Some of these posts are pathetic. I hope the posters do not return to TG. [/quote]

She shouldn't be OK playing somewhere - she should be HAPPY to play somewhere. That is the point YOU should be getting. [/quote]

When your kid expresses they felt lke a piece of seeweed you knew the fit wasn't right. The 18 white girls need to bail and never look bak?go get seen, you nver get these year back!arnkva

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This sounds like an obnoxious YJ parent. The TG purple in some age groups is very good, not sure about white. The TG coaches want people who have TG as their first choice, like the poster above says. YJ has four or five teams basically comprised of whoever else is left. TG wants people who want to be there, not just people who haven't made anything else, and the YJ Gold and Blue is good, but the other teams are basically just to fund the top teams.

And what exactly do you call the TG white team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This sounds like an obnoxious YJ parent. The TG purple in some age groups is very good, not sure about white. The TG coaches want people who have TG as their first choice, like the poster above says. YJ has four or five teams basically comprised of whoever else is left. TG wants people who want to be there, not just people who haven't made anything else, and the YJ Gold and Blue is good, but the other teams are basically just to fund the top teams.

And what exactly do you call the TG white team?

It's a team of kids and parents who want to be part of TG, as their first choice, like the previous posters said.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This sounds like an obnoxious YJ parent. The TG purple in some age groups is very good, not sure about white. The TG coaches want people who have TG as their first choicer, like the poster above says. YJ has four or five teams basically comprised of whoever else is left. TG wants people who want to be there, not just people who haven't made anything else, and the YJ Gold and Blue is good, but the other teams are basically just to fund the top teams.

And what exactly do you call thee TG white team?

This is why CR is so smart, she ditched the color coded teams and the stigma that goes along with it. Of course TG will eventually follow that lead, once they figure that out. The one priblem they will have is if they try to name teams after coaches like YJ, most team names will change namest every year due to the revolving door of kid coaches coming, going and moving on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This sounds like an obnoxious YJ parent. The TG purple in some age groups is very good, not sure about white. The TG coaches want people who have TG as their first choice, like the poster above says. YJ has four or five teams basically comprised of whoever else is left. TG wants people who want to be there, not just people who haven't made anything else, and the YJ Gold and Blue is good, but the other teams are basically just to fund the top teams.

And what exactly do you call the TG white team?

Last year the parents referred to it as the "white trash" team based on how they were treated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This sounds like an obnoxious YJ parent. The TG purple in some age groups is very good, not sure about white. The TG coaches want people who have TG as their first choice, like the poster above says. YJ has four or five teams basically comprised of whoever else is left. TG wants people who want to be there, not just people who haven't made anything else, and the YJ Gold and Blue is good, but the other teams are basically just to fund the top teams.

And what exactly do you call the TG white team?

It's a team of kids and parents who want to be part of TG, as their first choice, like the previous posters said.

Of course it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This sounds like an obnoxious YJ parent. The TG purple in some age groups is very good, not sure about white. The TG coaches want people who have TG as their first choice, like the poster above says. YJ has four or five teams basically comprised of whoever else is left. TG wants people who want to be there, not just people who haven't made anything else, and the YJ Gold and Blue is good, but the other teams are basically just to fund the top teams.

And what exactly do you call the TG white team?

Last year the parents referred to it as the "white trash" team based on how they were treated.

I would add to this that after my daughters B team beat up on TG White team this summer, I was talking to a parent and told them I was surprised that the White team was not A LOT better. She said that she knew that they weren't going to be good when a lot of kids turned down invites after tryouts. She said she knew she had made a mistake but her daughters friend played on Black so she wanted to stay. So, your 11, 12, 13 year old kid makes decisions for different reasons than parents do. Your kid doesn't know the repercussions of her decision at that age, that is why they have parents. White team will have a lot of turnover as many people won't return and those spots are available for a reason. Do your kid a favor and do see what else is out there before you settle for what your kid says she will be OK doing versus what may make her truly happy. I know those white parents had a long summer last year and spent a lot if time and money and were very disappointed. You have a few more weeks to look elsewhere. The costs of other tryouts is nothing compared to what an entire bad summer may bring. Think it through.

From another parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This sounds like an obnoxious YJ parent. The TG purple in some age groups is very good, not sure about white. The TG coaches want people who have TG as their first choice, like the poster above says. YJ has four or five teams basically comprised of whoever else is left. TG wants people who want to be there, not just people who haven't made anything else, and the YJ Gold and Blue is good, but the other teams are basically just to fund the top teams.

And what exactly do you call the TG white team?

Last year the parents referred to it as the "white trash" team based on how they were treated.

I would add to this that after my daughters B team beat up on TG White team this summer, I was talking to a parent and told them I was surprised that the White team was not A LOT better. She said that she knew that they weren't going to be good when a lot of kids turned down invites after tryouts. She said she knew she had made a mistake but her daughters friend played on Black so she wanted to stay. So, your 11, 12, 13 year old kid makes decisions for different reasons than parents do. Your kid doesn't know the repercussions of her decision at that age, that is why they have parents. White team will have a lot of turnover as many people won't return and those spots are available for a reason. Do your kid a favor and do see what else is out there before you settle for what your kid says she will be OK doing versus what may make her truly happy. I know those white parents had a long summer last year and spent a lot if time and money and were very disappointed. You have a few more weeks to look elsewhere. The costs of other tryouts is nothing compared to what an entire bad summer may bring. Think it through.

From another parent.

This is not meant to be mean, but.... the players that make up the roster on the white team are exactly what they are, third team players, the team is a product of the players on it. If you go to anothet club, expect the same. Unless your daughter is the best on the white team and being politically surpressed, maybe that is the team she belongs on. Truth is the travel clybs have become much more popular and many more girls are playing, not all of them are YJ blue or TG black players despite what mom or dad thinks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This sounds like an obnoxious YJ parent. The TG purple in some age groups is very good, not sure about white. The TG coaches want people who have TG as their first choice, like the poster above says. YJ has four or five teams basically comprised of whoever else is left. TG wants people who want to be there, not just people who haven't made anything else, and the YJ Gold and Blue is good, but the other teams are basically just to fund the top teams.

And what exactly do you call the TG white team?

Last year the parents referred to it as the "white trash" team based on how they were treated.

I would add to this that after my daughters B team beat up on TG White team this summer, I was talking to a parent and told them I was surprised that the White team was not A LOT better. She said that she knew that they weren't going to be good when a lot of kids turned down invites after tryouts. She said she knew she had made a mistake but her daughters friend played on Black so she wanted to stay. So, your 11, 12, 13 year old kid makes decisions for different reasons than parents do. Your kid doesn't know the repercussions of her decision at that age, that is why they have parents. White team will have a lot of turnover as many people won't return and those spots are available for a reason. Do your kid a favor and do see what else is out there before you settle for what your kid says she will be OK doing versus what may make her truly happy. I know those white parents had a long summer last year and spent a lot if time and money and were very disappointed. You have a few more weeks to look elsewhere. The costs of other tryouts is nothing compared to what an entire bad summer may bring. Think it through.

From another parent.

This is not meant to be mean, but.... the players that make up the roster on the white team are exactly what they are, third team players, the team is a product of the players on it. If you go to anothet club, expect the same. Unless your daughter is the best on the white team and being politically surpressed, maybe that is the team she belongs on. Truth is the travel clybs have become much more popular and many more girls are playing, not all of them are YJ blue or TG black players despite what mom or dad thinks.

I completely agree with this poster. If you make the B or A team at another club, you are playing somewhere that just isn't as good as TG or YJ. It is possible your kid had a bad day at tryouts, but don't just use that as an excuse for not making black. Overall, your kid will move up if they improve, but don't send them to play for another team in the same level of competition. If you make A or B somewhere else, you must be in the same level of competition as the team you made before, or your daughter would not have made it.as much as you think your daughter is the best one out there, she probably isn't, no one really is, so accept what TG offers you if you want, or go somewhere else, but the competition is virtually the same.

Well said! Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This sounds like an obnoxious YJ parent. The TG purple in some age groups is very good, not sure about white. The TG coaches want people who have TG as their first choice, like the poster above says. YJ has four or five teams basically comprised of whoever else is left. TG wants people who want to be there, not just people who haven't made anything else, and the YJ Gold and Blue is good, but the other teams are basically just to fund the top teams.

And what exactly do you call the TG white team?

Last year the parents referred to it as the "white trash" team based on how they were treated.

I would add to this that after my daughters B team beat up on TG White team this summer, I was talking to a parent and told them I was surprised that the White team was not A LOT better. She said that she knew that they weren't going to be good when a lot of kids turned down invites after tryouts. She said she knew she had made a mistake but her daughters friend played on Black so she wanted to stay. So, your 11, 12, 13 year old kid makes decisions for different reasons than parents do. Your kid doesn't know the repercussions of her decision at that age, that is why they have parents. White team will have a lot of turnover as many people won't return and those spots are available for a reason. Do your kid a favor and do see what else is out there before you settle for what your kid says she will be OK doing versus what may make her truly happy. I know those white parents had a long summer last year and spent a lot if time and money and were very disappointed. You have a few more weeks to look elsewhere. The costs of other tryouts is nothing compared to what an entire bad summer may bring. Think it through.

From another parent.

This is not meant to be mean, but.... the players that make up the roster on the white team are exactly what they are, third team players, the team is a product of the players on it. If you go to anothet club, expect the same. Unless your daughter is the best on the white team and being politically surpressed, maybe that is the team she belongs on. Truth is the travel clybs have become much more popular and many more girls are playing, not all of them are YJ blue or TG black players despite what mom or dad thinks.

I completely agree with this poster. If you make the B or A team at another club, you are playing somewhere that just isn't as good as TG or YJ. It is possible your kid had a bad day at tryouts, but don't just use that as an excuse for not making black. Overall, your kid will move up if they improve, but don't send them to play for another team in the same level of competition. If you make A or B somewhere else, you must be in the same level of competition as the team you made before, or your daughter would not have made it.as much as you think your daughter is the best one out there, she probably isn't, no one really is, so accept what TG offers you if you want, or go somewhere else, but the competition is virtually the same.

So NOT true. My daughter played on 2018 Elevate B last year and played TG White and it wasn't even a game so this could not be farther from the truth - I think they would have beat 2018 Purple as well when I watched purple play. TG white 2018 was awful

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This sounds like an obnoxious YJ parent. The TG purple in some age groups is very good, not sure about white. The TG coaches want people who have TG as their first choice, like the poster above says. YJ has four or five teams basically comprised of whoever else is left. TG wants people who want to be there, not just people who haven't made anything else, and the YJ Gold and Blue is good, but the other teams are basically just to fund the top teams.

And what exactly do you call the TG white team?

Last year the parents referred to it as the "white trash" team based on how they were treated.

I would add to this that after my daughters B team beat up on TG White team this summer, I was talking to a parent and told them I was surprised that the White team was not A LOT better. She said that she knew that they weren't going to be good when a lot of kids turned down invites after tryouts. She said she knew she had made a mistake but her daughters friend played on Black so she wanted to stay. So, your 11, 12, 13 year old kid makes decisions for different reasons than parents do. Your kid doesn't know the repercussions of her decision at that age, that is why they have parents. White team will have a lot of turnover as many people won't return and those spots are available for a reason. Do your kid a favor and do see what else is out there before you settle for what your kid says she will be OK doing versus what may make her truly happy. I know those white parents had a long summer last year and spent a lot if time and money and were very disappointed. You have a few more weeks to look elsewhere. The costs of other tryouts is nothing compared to what an entire bad summer may bring. Think it through.

From another parent.

This is not meant to be mean, but.... the players that make up the roster on the white team are exactly what they are, third team players, the team is a product of the players on it. If you go to anothet club, expect the same. Unless your daughter is the best on the white team and being politically surpressed, maybe that is the team she belongs on. Truth is the travel clybs have become much more popular and many more girls are playing, not all of them are YJ blue or TG black players despite what mom or dad thinks.

I completely agree with this poster. If you make the B or A team at another club, you are playing somewhere that just isn't as good as TG or YJ. It is possible your kid had a bad day at tryouts, but don't just use that as an excuse for not making black. Overall, your kid will move up if they improve, but don't send them to play for another team in the same level of competition. If you make A or B somewhere else, you must be in the same level of competition as the team you made before, or your daughter would not have made it.as much as you think your daughter is the best one out there, she probably isn't, no one really is, so accept what TG offers you if you want, or go somewhere else, but the competition is virtually the same.

NOT true at All - the 2nd and 3rd teams on TG are not that good and have seen them lose to many other clubs often. Even 2021 Black went 1-3 at National Dram so even their best teams aren't great. Don't listen to the brainwashed TG parents and ask a 2018 white parent how many loses they had last year.

What about 2019

You keep coming on here telling everyone that Elevate B beat TG White by a hundred goals....great job, you must be very happy there. I hope your daughter is enjoying her experience there. Why would you have issues with TG? It always sounds like some sort of sour grapes, did you daughter not make TG? You will not see much movement in 2018 teams now. A few changes here or there, a couple of weaker grips drop from black to purple and vice a versa.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You keep coming on here telling everyone that Elevate B beat TG White by a hundred goals....great job, you must be very happy there. I hope your daughter is enjoying her experience there. Why would you have issues with TG? It always sounds like some sort of sour grapes, did you daughter not make TG? You will not see much movement in 2018 teams now. A few changes here or there, a couple of weaker grips drop from black to purple and vice a versa.

Agreed, Elevate is just as good as TG, so if the B team beats TG White, it makes sense. But why are you on the TG forum anyway. Why don't you go and spread your knowledge of Elevate, without bashing TG.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You keep coming on here telling everyone that Elevate B beat TG White by a hundred goals....great job, you must be very happy there. I hope your daughter is enjoying her experience there. Why would you have issues with TG? It always sounds like some sort of sour grapes, did you daughter not make TG? You will not see much movement in 2018 teams now. A few changes here or there, a couple of weaker grips drop from black to purple and vice a versa.

Because there is so little interest in Elevate, I do not even know if they have a thread and certainly no interest from anyone in reading it. If you disagree Team Elevate, keep your thread on the first page on the forum.

Agreed, Elevate is just as good as TG, so if the B team beats TG White, it makes sense. But why are you on the TG forum anyway. Why don't you go and spread your knowledge of Elevate, without bashing TG.

She is Happy u dumbassssss. Your not getting the point. Go play for YJ.

This is not meant to be mean, but.... the players that make up the roster on the white team are exactly what they are, third team players, the team is a product of the players on it. If you go to anothet club, expect the same. Unless your daughter is the best on the white team and being politically surpressed, maybe that is the team she belongs on. Truth is the travel clybs have become much more popular and many more girls are playing, not all of them are YJ blue or TG black players despite what mom or dad thinks. [/quote]

I completely agree with this poster. If you make the B or A team at another club, you are playing somewhere that just isn't as good as TG or YJ. It is possible your kid had a bad day at tryouts, but don't just use that as an excuse for not making black. Overall, your kid will move up if they improve, but don't send them to play for another team in the same level of competition. If you make A or B somewhere else, you must be in the same level of competition as the team you made before, or your daughter would not have made it.as much as you think your daughter is the best one out there, she probably isn't, no one really is, so accept what TG offers you if you want, or go somewhere else, but the competition is virtually the same.
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Would disagree if your kid is a 2018 or older. Once the kids hit high school, there is very little movement on the top teams in any club. Studs, absolutely, but if you're not going to be a top 12 player, you probably won't be added

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You keep coming on here telling everyone that Elevate B beat TG White by a hundred goals....great job, you must be very happy there. I hope your daughter is enjoying her experience there. Why would you have issues with TG? It always sounds like some sort of sour grapes, did you daughter not make TG? You will not see much movement in 2018 teams now. A few changes here or there, a couple of weaker grips drop from black to purple and vice a versa.

Agreed, Elevate is just as good as TG, so if the B team beats TG White, it makes sense. But why are you on the TG forum anyway. Why don't you go and spread your knowledge of Elevate, without bashing TG.

In fairness to the Elevate poster, you stated that the White Team was better than playing on B teams on other clubs. That is absolutely untrue. Not only is Elevate B and most likely C teams better than the TG B & C Teams, the top 3rd, 4th and 5th YJ Teams are better than TG White as well. Stop selling TG White as if they are a good team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You keep coming on here telling everyone that Elevate B beat TG White by a hundred goals....great job, you must be very happy there. I hope your daughter is enjoying her experience there. Why would you have issues with TG? It always sounds like some sort of sour grapes, did you daughter not make TG? You will not see much movement in 2018 teams now. A few changes here or there, a couple of weaker grips drop from black to purple and vice a versa.

Agreed, Elevate is just as good as TG, so if the B team beats TG White, it makes sense. But why are you on the TG forum anyway. Why don't you go and spread your knowledge of Elevate, without bashing TG.

In fairness to the Elevate poster, you stated that the White Team was better than playing on B teams on other clubs. That is absolutely untrue. Not only is Elevate B and most likely C teams better than the TG B & C Teams, the top 3rd, 4th and 5th YJ Teams are better than TG White as well. Stop selling TG White as if they are a good team.

The YJ 4th and 5th teams are terrible. I'm sorry, I agree about the Elevate being better than TG white, but the YJ 4th and 5th is terrible. They are just teams filled with girls who can pay the fee. The Blue and Gold teams are good, no doubt about it, but the 4th and 5th plays in the age group below themselves, in the B division. YJ and CR basically just use the money to find the top teams.

My daughter is a committed player to a D1 team, that did not play for T.G. or Y.J. As a matter of fact, probably the best 2014 player played for the Wave (K.M.). The point of this is fairly simple, and probably not what S.S or C.R. want any of you younger age group parents to know, It does not matter what travel club your daughter plays on, or on what color, or level,or initial comes after that club teams name. If your daughter is a good player, coaches will take her but it takes a lot of effort on the parents and players. The player must write letters to coaches and know at least 10 schools she wants to play for. The parents have to know to send the players to those camps early ( 7th or 8TH grade). Yes the college coaches will line the fields in June and July, but what they really want is to see how coachable your kid is at their camp, under their terms. So there is the secret, that is what you pay C.R. and S.S. extra for. Truth is just because you play on Black or blue or lavender means nothing, if your kid fits, she goes. One last word of advice, and for some of you parents this will be impossible for you to fix.If the parent is overbearing, obnoxious, loud on the sideline, or abusive, no matter how good your kid is, coaches will pass her by. Find some nice kids and parents that you and your daughter enjoy being around and have fun at tournament, and send your kid to camps. That will be $1,500.00 I'll be expecting checks from all of you L.O.L

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You keep coming on here telling everyone that Elevate B beat TG White by a hundred goals....great job, you must be very happy there. I hope your daughter is enjoying her experience there. Why would you have issues with TG? It always sounds like some sort of sour grapes, did you daughter not make TG? You will not see much movement in 2018 teams now. A few changes here or there, a couple of weaker grips drop from black to purple and vice a versa.

Agreed, Elevate is just as good as TG, so if the B team beats TG White, it makes sense. But why are you on the TG forum anyway. Why don't you go and spread your knowledge of Elevate, without bashing TG.

In fairness to the Elevate poster, you stated that the White Team was better than playing on B teams on other clubs. That is absolutely untrue. Not only is Elevate B and most likely C teams better than the TG B & C Teams, the top 3rd, 4th and 5th YJ Teams are better than TG White as well. Stop selling TG White as if they are a good team.

elevate can barely field two teams and i've seen a few of the b teams and they can barely catch and throw - reality is significantly more than half the kids playing elite travel lax are anything but elite, the same goes on in aau basketball, travel baseball etc. travel sports meant something 20-30 years ago, now it just means that your parents can write a check and are dillusional enough to buy what they're being sold

"Or maybe it's because they only want kids and families who want TG as their first choice. YJ chooses the opposite strategy - go try everywhere else, and we'll take everyone who's left over, and wants to pay. TG takes a chance, having early tryouts early, and loses money by doing it this way. They would still rather have people that want to be there, and not the ones that wanted someplace else, but didn't make it. They don't want to be your insurance policy. If they were only in it for the money, they'd have tryouts later. Oh, and they give you two weeks not a few days to pay."

How clueless are you TG people. At least YJ parents understand its about the money and its a business, they just think its worth the money you pay for various reasons. Some TG people actually still think its not all about the money. BS could not make it more obvious, he can barely tolerate being around you people as is.

Can anyone tell me the five likely summer tournaments for TG for 2021 and 2022? Also, what is the fall tournament, practices, and approximate cost?

I totally agree with everything you said! My daughter is a committed 2016 to a D1 top competitive program and she did not play for either tg or yj. She looked into schools and went to camps. If you have talant coaches will notice. As parents we supported her and her teammates who have become lifetime friends.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You keep coming on here telling everyone that Elevate B beat TG White by a hundred goals....great job, you must be very happy there. I hope your daughter is enjoying her experience there. Why would you have issues with TG? It always sounds like some sort of sour grapes, did you daughter not make TG? You will not see much movement in 2018 teams now. A few changes here or there, a couple of weaker grips drop from black to purple and vice a versa.

Agreed, Elevate is just as good as TG, so if the B team beats TG White, it makes sense. But why are you on the TG forum anyway. Why don't you go and spread your knowledge of Elevate, without bashing TG.

In fairness to the Elevate poster, you stated that the White Team was better than playing on B teams on other clubs. That is absolutely untrue. Not only is Elevate B and most likely C teams better than the TG B & C Teams, the top 3rd, 4th and 5th YJ Teams are better than TG White as well. Stop selling TG White as if they are a good team.

The YJ 4th and 5th teams are terrible. I'm sorry, I agree about the Elevate being better than TG white, but the YJ 4th and 5th is terrible. They are just teams filled with girls who can pay the fee. The Blue and Gold teams are good, no doubt about it, but the 4th and 5th plays in the age group below themselves, in the B division. YJ and CR basically just use the money to find the top teams.

I agree about elevate but wouldn't go as far as the 5th YJ team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Or maybe it's because they only want kids and families who want TG as their first choice. YJ chooses the opposite strategy - go try everywhere else, and we'll take everyone who's left over, and wants to pay. TG takes a chance, having early tryouts early, and loses money by doing it this way. They would still rather have people that want to be there, and not the ones that wanted someplace else, but didn't make it. They don't want to be your insurance policy. If they were only in it for the money, they'd have tryouts later. Oh, and they give you two weeks not a few days to pay."

How clueless are you TG people. At least YJ parents understand its about the money and its a business, they just think its worth the money you pay for various reasons. Some TG people actually still think its not all about the money. BS could not make it more obvious, he can barely tolerate being around you people as is.

Everybody knows it's about the money. That wasn't even the point, which you obviously missed. The point was that the early tryouts ensure that people who choose TG want to be there. YJ has the late tryout, which allows them to take the kids who didn't make their first choice. They take whoever's left, for their 3rd, 4th, and 5th teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is a committed player to a D1 team, that did not play for T.G. or Y.J. As a matter of fact, probably the best 2014 player played for the Wave (K.M.). The point of this is fairly simple, and probably not what S.S or C.R. want any of you younger age group parents to know, It does not matter what travel club your daughter plays on, or on what color, or level,or initial comes after that club teams name. If your daughter is a good player, coaches will take her but it takes a lot of effort on the parents and players. The player must write letters to coaches and know at least 10 schools she wants to play for. The parents have to know to send the players to those camps early ( 7th or 8TH grade). Yes the college coaches will line the fields in June and July, but what they really want is to see how coachable your kid is at their camp, under their terms. So there is the secret, that is what you pay C.R. and S.S. extra for. Truth is just because you play on Black or blue or lavender means nothing, if your kid fits, she goes. One last word of advice, and for some of you parents this will be impossible for you to fix.If the parent is overbearing, obnoxious, loud on the sideline, or abusive, no matter how good your kid is, coaches will pass her by. Find some nice kids and parents that you and your daughter enjoy being around and have fun at tournament, and send your kid to camps. That will be $1,500.00 I'll be expecting checks from all of you L.O.L

And she played for the Wave because her High School coach was the coach of the Wave. Believe it or not she was a West Islip resident can you imagine West Islip could of had the Long Island player of the year as well as the Suffolk County player of the year who was a Top Gun, they could have been 22-0 instead of 21-1 can you imagine how loud the lions would of roared! The parents are unbearable to begin with but 22-0 and with the top two players on long Island if not the state they would still be cheering

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is a committed player to a D1 team, that did not play for T.G. or Y.J. As a matter of fact, probably the best 2014 player played for the Wave (K.M.). The point of this is fairly simple, and probably not what S.S or C.R. want any of you younger age group parents to know, It does not matter what travel club your daughter plays on, or on what color, or level,or initial comes after that club teams name. If your daughter is a good player, coaches will take her but it takes a lot of effort on the parents and players. The player must write letters to coaches and know at least 10 schools she wants to play for. The parents have to know to send the players to those camps early ( 7th or 8TH grade). Yes the college coaches will line the fields in June and July, but what they really want is to see how coachable your kid is at their camp, under their terms. So there is the secret, that is what you pay C.R. and S.S. extra for. Truth is just because you play on Black or blue or lavender means nothing, if your kid fits, she goes. One last word of advice, and for some of you parents this will be impossible for you to fix.If the parent is overbearing, obnoxious, loud on the sideline, or abusive, no matter how good your kid is, coaches will pass her by. Find some nice kids and parents that you and your daughter enjoy being around and have fun at tournament, and send your kid to camps. That will be $1,500.00 I'll be expecting checks from all of you L.O.L

And she played for the Wave because her High School coach was the coach of the Wave. Believe it or not she was a West Islip resident can you imagine West Islip could of had the Long Island player of the year as well as the Suffolk County player of the year who was a Top Gun, they could have been 22-0 instead of 21-1 can you imagine how loud the lions would of roared! The parents are unbearable to begin with but 22-0 and with the top two players on long Island if not the state they would still be cheering

what the [lacrosse] are you talking about? What does west islip have to do with anything

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is a committed player to a D1 team, that did not play for T.G. or Y.J. As a matter of fact, probably the best 2014 player played for the Wave (K.M.). The point of this is fairly simple, and probably not what S.S or C.R. want any of you younger age group parents to know, It does not matter what travel club your daughter plays on, or on what color, or level,or initial comes after that club teams name. If your daughter is a good player, coaches will take her but it takes a lot of effort on the parents and players. The player must write letters to coaches and know at least 10 schools she wants to play for. The parents have to know to send the players to those camps early ( 7th or 8TH grade). Yes the college coaches will line the fields in June and July, but what they really want is to see how coachable your kid is at their camp, under their terms. So there is the secret, that is what you pay C.R. and S.S. extra for. Truth is just because you play on Black or blue or lavender means nothing, if your kid fits, she goes. One last word of advice, and for some of you parents this will be impossible for you to fix.If the parent is overbearing, obnoxious, loud on the sideline, or abusive, no matter how good your kid is, coaches will pass her by. Find some nice kids and parents that you and your daughter enjoy being around and have fun at tournament, and send your kid to camps. That will be $1,500.00 I'll be expecting checks from all of you L.O.L

And she played for the Wave because her High School coach was the coach of the Wave. Believe it or not she was a West Islip resident can you imagine West Islip could of had the Long Island player of the year as well as the Suffolk County player of the year who was a Top Gun, they could have been 22-0 instead of 21-1 can you imagine how loud the lions would of roared! The parents are unbearable to begin with but 22-0 and with the top two players on long Island if not the state they would still be cheering

2 best players on LI? Ramping up Wave. Dude, you must be sniffing glue

Your exactly correct. Well written! Thx

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is a committed player to a D1 team, that did not play for T.G. or Y.J. As a matter of fact, probably the best 2014 player played for the Wave (K.M.). The point of this is fairly simple, and probably not what S.S or C.R. want any of you younger age group parents to know, It does not matter what travel club your daughter plays on, or on what color, or level,or initial comes after that club teams name. If your daughter is a good player, coaches will take her but it takes a lot of effort on the parents and players. The player must write letters to coaches and know at least 10 schools she wants to play for. The parents have to know to send the players to those camps early ( 7th or 8TH grade). Yes the college coaches will line the fields in June and July, but what they really want is to see how coachable your kid is at their camp, under their terms. So there is the secret, that is what you pay C.R. and S.S. extra for. Truth is just because you play on Black or blue or lavender means nothing, if your kid fits, she goes. One last word of advice, and for some of you parents this will be impossible for you to fix.If the parent is overbearing, obnoxious, loud on the sideline, or abusive, no matter how good your kid is, coaches will pass her by. Find some nice kids and parents that you and your daughter enjoy being around and have fun at tournament, and send your kid to camps. That will be $1,500.00 I'll be expecting checks from all of you L.O.L

Just to make sure I have this right before I send in my check: Say no to a TG 2017 black team that a girl has been on and st show up at college camps? I'm serious. Because when I click on player bios almost all (including out of state) players have played at a club level and colleges ask what tournaments you will be in. As far as Wave isn't that the guy that rides around on a bicycle?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is a committed player to a D1 team, that did not play for T.G. or Y.J. As a matter of fact, probably the best 2014 player played for the Wave (K.M.). The point of this is fairly simple, and probably not what S.S or C.R. want any of you younger age group parents to know, It does not matter what travel club your daughter plays on, or on what color, or level,or initial comes after that club teams name. If your daughter is a good player, coaches will take her but it takes a lot of effort on the parents and players. The player must write letters to coaches and know at least 10 schools she wants to play for. The parents have to know to send the players to those camps early ( 7th or 8TH grade). Yes the college coaches will line the fields in June and July, but what they really want is to see how coachable your kid is at their camp, under their terms. So there is the secret, that is what you pay C.R. and S.S. extra for. Truth is just because you play on Black or blue or lavender means nothing, if your kid fits, she goes. One last word of advice, and for some of you parents this will be impossible for you to fix.If the parent is overbearing, obnoxious, loud on the sideline, or abusive, no matter how good your kid is, coaches will pass her by. Find some nice kids and parents that you and your daughter enjoy being around and have fun at tournament, and send your kid to camps. That will be $1,500.00 I'll be expecting checks from all of you L.O.L

Just to make sure I have this right before I send in my check: Say no to a TG 2017 black team that a girl has been on and st show up at college camps? I'm serious. Because when I click on player bios almost all (including out of state) players have played at a club level and colleges ask what tournaments you will be in. As far as Wave isn't that the guy that rides around on a bicycle?

It's CR that rides around on the bike, must have confused you a little - lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is a committed player to a D1 team, that did not play for T.G. or Y.J. As a matter of fact, probably the best 2014 player played for the Wave (K.M.). The point of this is fairly simple, and probably not what S.S or C.R. want any of you younger age group parents to know, It does not matter what travel club your daughter plays on, or on what color, or level,or initial comes after that club teams name. If your daughter is a good player, coaches will take her but it takes a lot of effort on the parents and players. The player must write letters to coaches and know at least 10 schools she wants to play for. The parents have to know to send the players to those camps early ( 7th or 8TH grade). Yes the college coaches will line the fields in June and July, but what they really want is to see how coachable your kid is at their camp, under their terms. So there is the secret, that is what you pay C.R. and S.S. extra for. Truth is just because you play on Black or blue or lavender means nothing, if your kid fits, she goes. One last word of advice, and for some of you parents this will be impossible for you to fix.If the parent is overbearing, obnoxious, loud on the sideline, or abusive, no matter how good your kid is, coaches will pass her by. Find some nice kids and parents that you and your daughter enjoy being around and have fun at tournament, and send your kid to camps. That will be $1,500.00 I'll be expecting checks from all of you L.O.L

And she played for the Wave because her High School coach was the coach of the Wave. Believe it or not she was a West Islip resident can you imagine West Islip could of had the Long Island player of the year as well as the Suffolk County player of the year who was a Top Gun, they could have been 22-0 instead of 21-1 can you imagine how loud the lions would of roared! The parents are unbearable to begin with but 22-0 and with the top two players on long Island if not the state they would still be cheering

2 best players on LI? Ramping up Wave. Dude, you must be sniffing glue

21-1 yes that's right. How'd ur team do? Oh and BS was at LI champ game where WI won. Why? WI had 7-8 top gun girls playing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is a committed player to a D1 team, that did not play for T.G. or Y.J. As a matter of fact, probably the best 2014 player played for the Wave (K.M.). The point of this is fairly simple, and probably not what S.S or C.R. want any of you younger age group parents to know, It does not matter what travel club your daughter plays on, or on what color, or level,or initial comes after that club teams name. If your daughter is a good player, coaches will take her but it takes a lot of effort on the parents and players. The player must write letters to coaches and know at least 10 schools she wants to play for. The parents have to know to send the players to those camps early ( 7th or 8TH grade). Yes the college coaches will line the fields in June and July, but what they really want is to see how coachable your kid is at their camp, under their terms. So there is the secret, that is what you pay C.R. and S.S. extra for. Truth is just because you play on Black or blue or lavender means nothing, if your kid fits, she goes. One last word of advice, and for some of you parents this will be impossible for you to fix.If the parent is overbearing, obnoxious, loud on the sideline, or abusive, no matter how good your kid is, coaches will pass her by. Find some nice kids and parents that you and your daughter enjoy being around and have fun at tournament, and send your kid to camps. That will be $1,500.00 I'll be expecting checks from all of you L.O.L

And she played for the Wave because her High School coach was the coach of the Wave. Believe it or not she was a West Islip resident can you imagine West Islip could of had the Long Island player of the year as well as the Suffolk County player of the year who was a Top Gun, they could have been 22-0 instead of 21-1 can you imagine how loud the lions would of roared! The parents are unbearable to begin with but 22-0 and with the top two players on long Island if not the state they would still be cheering

2 best players on LI? Ramping up Wave. Dude, you must be sniffing glue

21-1 yes that's right. How'd ur team do? Oh and BS was at LI champ game where WI won. Why? WI had 7-8 top gun girls playing

That girl (KM) played for SJB and Wave. She is an amazing player! Coached against her team and officiated her games. A true talent! WI would have been lucky to have her! Good luck to her at Towson!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is a committed player to a D1 team, that did not play for T.G. or Y.J. As a matter of fact, probably the best 2014 player played for the Wave (K.M.). The point of this is fairly simple, and probably not what S.S or C.R. want any of you younger age group parents to know, It does not matter what travel club your daughter plays on, or on what color, or level,or initial comes after that club teams name. If your daughter is a good player, coaches will take her but it takes a lot of effort on the parents and players. The player must write letters to coaches and know at least 10 schools she wants to play for. The parents have to know to send the players to those camps early ( 7th or 8TH grade). Yes the college coaches will line the fields in June and July, but what they really want is to see how coachable your kid is at their camp, under their terms. So there is the secret, that is what you pay C.R. and S.S. extra for. Truth is just because you play on Black or blue or lavender means nothing, if your kid fits, she goes. One last word of advice, and for some of you parents this will be impossible for you to fix.If the parent is overbearing, obnoxious, loud on the sideline, or abusive, no matter how good your kid is, coaches will pass her by. Find some nice kids and parents that you and your daughter enjoy being around and have fun at tournament, and send your kid to camps. That will be $1,500.00 I'll be expecting checks from all of you L.O.L

And she played for the Wave because her High School coach was the coach of the Wave. Believe it or not she was a West Islip resident can you imagine West Islip could of had the Long Island player of the year as well as the Suffolk County player of the year who was a Top Gun, they could have been 22-0 instead of 21-1 can you imagine how loud the lions would of roared! The parents are unbearable to begin with but 22-0 and with the top two players on long Island if not the state they would still be cheering

2 best players on LI? Ramping up Wave. Dude, you must be sniffing glue

21-1 yes that's right. How'd ur team do? Oh and BS was at LI champ game where WI won. Why? WI had 7-8 top gun girls playing

That girl (KM) played for SJB and Wave. She is an amazing player! Coached against her team and officiated her games. A true talent! WI would have been lucky to have her! Good luck to her at Towson!

If she's so good, what the [lacrosse] is she doing at Towson?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is a committed player to a D1 team, that did not play for T.G. or Y.J. As a matter of fact, probably the best 2014 player played for the Wave (K.M.). The point of this is fairly simple, and probably not what S.S or C.R. want any of you younger age group parents to know, It does not matter what travel club your daughter plays on, or on what color, or level,or initial comes after that club teams name. If your daughter is a good player, coaches will take her but it takes a lot of effort on the parents and players. The player must write letters to coaches and know at least 10 schools she wants to play for. The parents have to know to send the players to those camps early ( 7th or 8TH grade). Yes the college coaches will line the fields in June and July, but what they really want is to see how coachable your kid is at their camp, under their terms. So there is the secret, that is what you pay C.R. and S.S. extra for. Truth is just because you play on Black or blue or lavender means nothing, if your kid fits, she goes. One last word of advice, and for some of you parents this will be impossible for you to fix.If the parent is overbearing, obnoxious, loud on the sideline, or abusive, no matter how good your kid is, coaches will pass her by. Find some nice kids and parents that you and your daughter enjoy being around and have fun at tournament, and send your kid to camps. That will be $1,500.00 I'll be expecting checks from all of you L.O.L

No thanks , look at where those wave kids are going, not exactly top D1 programs if you want that and even lower on the scale of academic institutions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is a committed player to a D1 team, that did not play for T.G. or Y.J. As a matter of fact, probably the best 2014 player played for the Wave (K.M.). The point of this is fairly simple, and probably not what S.S or C.R. want any of you younger age group parents to know, It does not matter what travel club your daughter plays on, or on what color, or level,or initial comes after that club teams name. If your daughter is a good player, coaches will take her but it takes a lot of effort on the parents and players. The player must write letters to coaches and know at least 10 schools she wants to play for. The parents have to know to send the players to those camps early ( 7th or 8TH grade). Yes the college coaches will line the fields in June and July, but what they really want is to see how coachable your kid is at their camp, under their terms. So there is the secret, that is what you pay C.R. and S.S. extra for. Truth is just because you play on Black or blue or lavender means nothing, if your kid fits, she goes. One last word of advice, and for some of you parents this will be impossible for you to fix.If the parent is overbearing, obnoxious, loud on the sideline, or abusive, no matter how good your kid is, coaches will pass her by. Find some nice kids and parents that you and your daughter enjoy being around and have fun at tournament, and send your kid to camps. That will be $1,500.00 I'll be expecting checks from all of you L.O.L

No thanks , look at where those wave kids are going, not exactly top D1 programs if you want that and even lower on the scale of academic institutions.

Oh stop being such a judgemental snob, she's getting a college degree and playing the sport she loves, don't most of us wish we could have done that. Are all these dads on here D1 or Ivy league athletes/scholars??? please stop the negativity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is a committed player to a D1 team, that did not play for T.G. or Y.J. As a matter of fact, probably the best 2014 player played for the Wave (K.M.). The point of this is fairly simple, and probably not what S.S or C.R. want any of you younger age group parents to know, It does not matter what travel club your daughter plays on, or on what color, or level,or initial comes after that club teams name. If your daughter is a good player, coaches will take her but it takes a lot of effort on the parents and players. The player must write letters to coaches and know at least 10 schools she wants to play for. The parents have to know to send the players to those camps early ( 7th or 8TH grade). Yes the college coaches will line the fields in June and July, but what they really want is to see how coachable your kid is at their camp, under their terms. So there is the secret, that is what you pay C.R. and S.S. extra for. Truth is just because you play on Black or blue or lavender means nothing, if your kid fits, she goes. One last word of advice, and for some of you parents this will be impossible for you to fix.If the parent is overbearing, obnoxious, loud on the sideline, or abusive, no matter how good your kid is, coaches will pass her by. Find some nice kids and parents that you and your daughter enjoy being around and have fun at tournament, and send your kid to camps. That will be $1,500.00 I'll be expecting checks from all of you L.O.L

No thanks , look at where those wave kids are going, not exactly top D1 programs if you want that and even lower on the scale of academic institutions.

Oh stop being such a judgemental snob, she's getting a college degree and playing the sport she loves, don't most of us wish we could have done that. Are all these dads on here D1 or Ivy league athletes/scholars??? please stop the negativity.

How is Suffolk CC treating your daughter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is a committed player to a D1 team, that did not play for T.G. or Y.J. As a matter of fact, probably the best 2014 player played for the Wave (K.M.). The point of this is fairly simple, and probably not what S.S or C.R. want any of you younger age group parents to know, It does not matter what travel club your daughter plays on, or on what color, or level,or initial comes after that club teams name. If your daughter is a good player, coaches will take her but it takes a lot of effort on the parents and players. The player must write letters to coaches and know at least 10 schools she wants to play for. The parents have to know to send the players to those camps early ( 7th or 8TH grade). Yes the college coaches will line the fields in June and July, but what they really want is to see how coachable your kid is at their camp, under their terms. So there is the secret, that is what you pay C.R. and S.S. extra for. Truth is just because you play on Black or blue or lavender means nothing, if your kid fits, she goes. One last word of advice, and for some of you parents this will be impossible for you to fix.If the parent is overbearing, obnoxious, loud on the sideline, or abusive, no matter how good your kid is, coaches will pass her by. Find some nice kids and parents that you and your daughter enjoy being around and have fun at tournament, and send your kid to camps. That will be $1,500.00 I'll be expecting checks from all of you L.O.L

And she played for the Wave because her High School coach was the coach of the Wave. Believe it or not she was a West Islip resident can you imagine West Islip could of had the Long Island player of the year as well as the Suffolk County player of the year who was a Top Gun, they could have been 22-0 instead of 21-1 can you imagine how loud the lions would of roared! The parents are unbearable to begin with but 22-0 and with the top two players on long Island if not the state they would still be cheering

2 best players on LI? Ramping up Wave. Dude, you must be sniffing glue

21-1 yes that's right. How'd ur team do? Oh and BS was at LI champ game where WI won. Why? WI had 7-8 top gun girls playing

That girl (KM) played for SJB and Wave. She is an amazing player! Coached against her team and officiated her games. A true talent! WI would have been lucky to have her! Good luck to her at Towson!

If she's so good, what the [lacrosse] is she doing at Towson?

She is very good, have seen her play, which is hard given the path she had taken. One thing that jumps out in her stats is the huge number of assists she has, love that! Clearly not the typical TG or YJ product with the go to goal LI mentality. She is also able to stand out because she plays on weak school and travel teams. Put her on the WI roster and those stats get cut in half and there goes your argument for best player on LI. Not trying to cut her down at all here, just trying to reel the original poster back down to earth, you gotta put those stats and your lofty claim into relative perspective of the situation she plays in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is a committed player to a D1 team, that did not play for T.G. or Y.J. As a matter of fact, probably the best 2014 player played for the Wave (K.M.). The point of this is fairly simple, and probably not what S.S or C.R. want any of you younger age group parents to know, It does not matter what travel club your daughter plays on, or on what color, or level,or initial comes after that club teams name. If your daughter is a good player, coaches will take her but it takes a lot of effort on the parents and players. The player must write letters to coaches and know at least 10 schools she wants to play for. The parents have to know to send the players to those camps early ( 7th or 8TH grade). Yes the college coaches will line the fields in June and July, but what they really want is to see how coachable your kid is at their camp, under their terms. So there is the secret, that is what you pay C.R. and S.S. extra for. Truth is just because you play on Black or blue or lavender means nothing, if your kid fits, she goes. One last word of advice, and for some of you parents this will be impossible for you to fix.If the parent is overbearing, obnoxious, loud on the sideline, or abusive, no matter how good your kid is, coaches will pass her by. Find some nice kids and parents that you and your daughter enjoy being around and have fun at tournament, and send your kid to camps. That will be $1,500.00 I'll be expecting checks from all of you L.O.L

No thanks , look at where those wave kids are going, not exactly top D1 programs if you want that and even lower on the scale of academic institutions.

You are such a tool. The point of the post was where is that one Wave kid going , or do you think Towson not good enough for your high academic standards. I assume you went to N.D. or Harvard seeing as you look down your nose at anything less. You're probably writing your posts from a solid gold laptop that you're able to flippantly purchase because your superb academic credentials got you the job of superior judge of everything lesser than you, especially Woman's lacrosse players and schools. As a matter of fact, You dolt, you unwittingly proved my point. Wave isn't the best program, with the most tournament wins,and a long pedigree of outstanding lacrosse commits, and yet the best player played there, she didn't play at St A's or Northport, but at S.J.B. and wether it meets your outstanding approval or not she is going to a top program, slated to do much better because K.M. is going there. And worst of all, god forbid, Carol Rose had nothing to do with it. Keep shelling out all your pocket money to Carol for Tournaments, jackets, hats, bumper stickers,privet lessons, luaus, cruses and a false sense of self worth as you live through your kid. The truth is the above stated facts still remain true.
As for the other tool that asked if they should stop spending the money on T.G. black.Are you the parent that always has to find a problem with every post, or are you just so dim that everything has to be spoon fed. I will dumb it down for just you. Play T.G. black, supplement that with the college camps you daughter might want to go to, try ( and this will be real difficult for you ) not to run your mouth on the sidelines. Or better yet , don't take any advice from anyone that has gone through this recently, your daughter will be just fine.

One of the girls was Suffolk player of the year and was a Top Gun dude so that would clarify her as the best player in Suffolk dude. And the Wave Girl is one of the best in the State dude. The West Islip comment is how much better they could of been 22-0 instead of 21-1 with The Wave girl. Do you get it? Do I need to explain my saracasm in greater depth so you can grasp the concept? Let me know and I will for the benefit of the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is a committed player to a D1 team, that did not play for T.G. or Y.J. As a matter of fact, probably the best 2014 player played for the Wave (K.M.). The point of this is fairly simple, and probably not what S.S or C.R. want any of you younger age group parents to know, It does not matter what travel club your daughter plays on, or on what color, or level,or initial comes after that club teams name. If your daughter is a good player, coaches will take her but it takes a lot of effort on the parents and players. The player must write letters to coaches and know at least 10 schools she wants to play for. The parents have to know to send the players to those camps early ( 7th or 8TH grade). Yes the college coaches will line the fields in June and July, but what they really want is to see how coachable your kid is at their camp, under their terms. So there is the secret, that is what you pay C.R. and S.S. extra for. Truth is just because you play on Black or blue or lavender means nothing, if your kid fits, she goes. One last word of advice, and for some of you parents this will be impossible for you to fix.If the parent is overbearing, obnoxious, loud on the sideline, or abusive, no matter how good your kid is, coaches will pass her by. Find some nice kids and parents that you and your daughter enjoy being around and have fun at tournament, and send your kid to camps. That will be $1,500.00 I'll be expecting checks from all of you L.O.L

No thanks , look at where those wave kids are going, not exactly top D1 programs if you want that and even lower on the scale of academic institutions.

You are such a tool. The point of the post was where is that one Wave kid going , or do you think Towson not good enough for your high academic standards. I assume you went to N.D. or Harvard seeing as you look down your nose at anything less. You're probably writing your posts from a solid gold laptop that you're able to flippantly purchase because your superb academic credentials got you the job of superior judge of everything lesser than you, especially Woman's lacrosse players and schools. As a matter of fact, You dolt, you unwittingly proved my point. Wave isn't the best program, with the most tournament wins,and a long pedigree of outstanding lacrosse commits, and yet the best player played there, she didn't play at St A's or Northport, but at S.J.B. and wether it meets your outstanding approval or not she is going to a top program, slated to do much better because K.M. is going there. And worst of all, god forbid, Carol Rose had nothing to do with it. Keep shelling out all your pocket money to Carol for Tournaments, jackets, hats, bumper stickers,privet lessons, luaus, cruses and a false sense of self worth as you live through your kid. The truth is the above stated facts still remain true.
As for the other tool that asked if they should stop spending the money on T.G. black.Are you the parent that always has to find a problem with every post, or are you just so dim that everything has to be spoon fed. I will dumb it down for just you. Play T.G. black, supplement that with the college camps you daughter might want to go to, try ( and this will be real difficult for you ) not to run your mouth on the sidelines. Or better yet , don't take any advice from anyone that has gone through this recently, your daughter will be just fine.

I agree with 95% of the points you are making and appreciate the insight. However, you cannot judge SJB against top programs and declare someone the best player on LI. You are doing exactly what all of these parents do but in reverse. Also, declaring you are somehow smarter than others by going to camps and playing Wave (still a travel team that you pay fees to by the way) is nothing new. Many kids do both as well as playing in all-star games. There are lots of ways to get to college athletics and your holy than thou attitude is just as bad as the travel mafia parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the girls was Suffolk player of the year and was a Top Gun dude so that would clarify her as the best player in Suffolk dude. And the Wave Girl is one of the best in the State dude. The West Islip comment is how much better they could of been 22-0 instead of 21-1 with The Wave girl. Do you get it? Do I need to explain my saracasm in greater depth so you can grasp the concept? Let me know and I will for the benefit of the game.

Hey Spicoli, you wrote "dude" 3 times, this is a girls lacrosse team.

Can someone please tell me the fall tournament(s) and summer tournaments for 2021 and 2022 TG black?

Top Guns Purple 2018 beat Elevate A and B teams at the Hofstra tournament last summer 2013. Why is an Elevate on a Top Guns thread? Go on a Elevate thread

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone please tell me the fall tournament(s) and summer tournaments for 2021 and 2022 TG black?

I dont think TG Really enters TRUE teams in Fall tournaments. My daughters friend played fall last year and parents sort of organized the tournaments for the kids, well certain kids. They put together their own teams and asked some kids and not others, they did a bunch of 7 V 7, not real tournaments like Diane Whipple or Lax for Cure in the Fall. It is sort of an odd way to start off with a new club, at least she felt that way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is a committed player to a D1 team, that did not play for T.G. or Y.J. As a matter of fact, probably the best 2014 player played for the Wave (K.M.). The point of this is fairly simple, and probably not what S.S or C.R. want any of you younger age group parents to know, It does not matter what travel club your daughter plays on, or on what color, or level,or initial comes after that club teams name. If your daughter is a good player, coaches will take her but it takes a lot of effort on the parents and players. The player must write letters to coaches and know at least 10 schools she wants to play for. The parents have to know to send the players to those camps early ( 7th or 8TH grade). Yes the college coaches will line the fields in June and July, but what they really want is to see how coachable your kid is at their camp, under their terms. So there is the secret, that is what you pay C.R. and S.S. extra for. Truth is just because you play on Black or blue or lavender means nothing, if your kid fits, she goes. One last word of advice, and for some of you parents this will be impossible for you to fix.If the parent is overbearing, obnoxious, loud on the sideline, or abusive, no matter how good your kid is, coaches will pass her by. Find some nice kids and parents that you and your daughter enjoy being around and have fun at tournament, and send your kid to camps. That will be $1,500.00 I'll be expecting checks from all of you L.O.L

No thanks , look at where those wave kids are going, not exactly top D1 programs if you want that and even lower on the scale of academic institutions.

You are such a tool. The point of the post was where is that one Wave kid going , or do you think Towson not good enough for your high academic standards. I assume you went to N.D. or Harvard seeing as you look down your nose at anything less. You're probably writing your posts from a solid gold laptop that you're able to flippantly purchase because your superb academic credentials got you the job of superior judge of everything lesser than you, especially Woman's lacrosse players and schools. As a matter of fact, You dolt, you unwittingly proved my point. Wave isn't the best program, with the most tournament wins,and a long pedigree of outstanding lacrosse commits, and yet the best player played there, she didn't play at St A's or Northport, but at S.J.B. and wether it meets your outstanding approval or not she is going to a top program, slated to do much better because K.M. is going there. And worst of all, god forbid, Carol Rose had nothing to do with it. Keep shelling out all your pocket money to Carol for Tournaments, jackets, hats, bumper stickers,privet lessons, luaus, cruses and a false sense of self worth as you live through your kid. The truth is the above stated facts still remain true.
As for the other tool that asked if they should stop spending the money on T.G. black.Are you the parent that always has to find a problem with every post, or are you just so dim that everything has to be spoon fed. I will dumb it down for just you. Play T.G. black, supplement that with the college camps you daughter might want to go to, try ( and this will be real difficult for you ) not to run your mouth on the sidelines. Or better yet , don't take any advice from anyone that has gone through this recently, your daughter will be just fine.

Talk about a tool, kid is a good player ,not the best. How do you define who is the best player? What accomplishments make her the best. Further isnt the idea to get the best education you can get, your wave commits including your best player in the state are going to sub par academic schools. The only facts about the wave program is they are not very good at lacrosse or placing kids at top academic or top lacrosse programs. Is what it is and you are the one telling all those kids from TG and YJ that are going to top 30 academic schools and top 10 lacrosse programs that you know a better way, the fact is you are clueless.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone please tell me the fall tournament(s) and summer tournaments for 2021 and 2022 TG black?

I dont think TG Really enters TRUE teams in Fall tournaments. My daughters friend played fall last year and parents sort of organized the tournaments for the kids, well certain kids. They put together their own teams and asked some kids and not others, they did a bunch of 7 V 7, not real tournaments like Diane Whipple or Lax for Cure in the Fall. It is sort of an odd way to start off with a new club, at least she felt that way.

My daughter played 2 years in the 7v7 fall tourns at Hofstra, and will again this year. TG will send out info, and will tell you what team you are on. The reason they might have to combine girls(black,purple,white); because lots of girls have other commitments: school sports, and especially travel soccer games. We thought it was a nice way to meet the new girls, and hang out between games in a non-competitive environment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is a committed player to a D1 team, that did not play for T.G. or Y.J. As a matter of fact, probably the best 2014 player played for the Wave (K.M.). The point of this is fairly simple, and probably not what S.S or C.R. want any of you younger age group parents to know, It does not matter what travel club your daughter plays on, or on what color, or level,or initial comes after that club teams name. If your daughter is a good player, coaches will take her but it takes a lot of effort on the parents and players. The player must write letters to coaches and know at least 10 schools she wants to play for. The parents have to know to send the players to those camps early ( 7th or 8TH grade). Yes the college coaches will line the fields in June and July, but what they really want is to see how coachable your kid is at their camp, under their terms. So there is the secret, that is what you pay C.R. and S.S. extra for. Truth is just because you play on Black or blue or lavender means nothing, if your kid fits, she goes. One last word of advice, and for some of you parents this will be impossible for you to fix.If the parent is overbearing, obnoxious, loud on the sideline, or abusive, no matter how good your kid is, coaches will pass her by. Find some nice kids and parents that you and your daughter enjoy being around and have fun at tournament, and send your kid to camps. That will be $1,500.00 I'll be expecting checks from all of you L.O.L

No thanks , look at where those wave kids are going, not exactly top D1 programs if you want that and even lower on the scale of academic institutions.

You are such a tool. The point of the post was where is that one Wave kid going , or do you think Towson not good enough for your high academic standards. I assume you went to N.D. or Harvard seeing as you look down your nose at anything less. You're probably writing your posts from a solid gold laptop that you're able to flippantly purchase because your superb academic credentials got you the job of superior judge of everything lesser than you, especially Woman's lacrosse players and schools. As a matter of fact, You dolt, you unwittingly proved my point. Wave isn't the best program, with the most tournament wins,and a long pedigree of outstanding lacrosse commits, and yet the best player played there, she didn't play at St A's or Northport, but at S.J.B. and wether it meets your outstanding approval or not she is going to a top program, slated to do much better because K.M. is going there. And worst of all, god forbid, Carol Rose had nothing to do with it. Keep shelling out all your pocket money to Carol for Tournaments, jackets, hats, bumper stickers,privet lessons, luaus, cruses and a false sense of self worth as you live through your kid. The truth is the above stated facts still remain true.
As for the other tool that asked if they should stop spending the money on T.G. black.Are you the parent that always has to find a problem with every post, or are you just so dim that everything has to be spoon fed. I will dumb it down for just you. Play T.G. black, supplement that with the college camps you daughter might want to go to, try ( and this will be real difficult for you ) not to run your mouth on the sidelines. Or better yet , don't take any advice from anyone that has gone through this recently, your daughter will be just fine.

Somebody needs a Midol..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is a committed player to a D1 team, that did not play for T.G. or Y.J. As a matter of fact, probably the best 2014 player played for the Wave (K.M.). The point of this is fairly simple, and probably not what S.S or C.R. want any of you younger age group parents to know, It does not matter what travel club your daughter plays on, or on what color, or level,or initial comes after that club teams name. If your daughter is a good player, coaches will take her but it takes a lot of effort on the parents and players. The player must write letters to coaches and know at least 10 schools she wants to play for. The parents have to know to send the players to those camps early ( 7th or 8TH grade). Yes the college coaches will line the fields in June and July, but what they really want is to see how coachable your kid is at their camp, under their terms. So there is the secret, that is whWest at you pay C.R. and S.S. extra for. Truth is just because you play on Black or blue or lavender means nothing, if your kid fits, she goes. One last word of advice, and for some of you parents this will be impossible for you to fix.If the parent is overbearing, obnoxious, loud on the sideline, or abusive, no matter how good your kid is, coaches will pass her by. Find some nice kids and parents that you and your daughter enjoy being around and have fun at tournament, and send your kid to camps. That will be $1,500.00 I'll be expecting checks from all of you L.O.L

And she played for the Wave because her High School coach was the coach of the Wave. Believe it or not she was a West Islip resident can you imagine West Islip could of had the Long Island player of the year as well as the Suffolk County player of the year who was a Top Gun, they could have been 22-0 instead of 21-1 can you imagine how loud the lions would of roared! The parents are unbearable to begin with but 22-0 and with the top two players on long Island if not the state they would still be cheering

what the [lacrosse] are you talking about? What does west islip have to do with anything

West Islip was the class A NYS runner-up this year if KM stayed put we would of won the State and would of been 22-0 instead of 21-1. Im sorry for not making it more clear to you. Im sure you remember West Islip going 21-1 and losing to SEVEN time State Champion West Genesse in the final up at Cortland i could always fill you in or pay more attention in 2015 to West Islip. KM played for the Wave because the Wave coach was her HS coach do you understand that? Go watch Towson play and you will see how good KM is and how much better Towson will be. Please pay attention to your reading comprehension R E A D slower so it sinks in more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are other TG players being invited to Maryland or is this an uber exclusive venue?

Gets old when you have the same TG parents setting up tournaments at the younger age groups and they hand pick who is allowed to play. Somehow these parents have power over the rest of us and all they do is favor their own kids. The coaches kids never come out of the game no matter how many times they lose the ball and never play defense. Would be nice if something were available for all the kids and had actual coaches who knew something about the game instead of these guys who think they are the greatest coaches around.

It does seem confusing that the program allows certain dads to cherry pick their own teams from the TG rosters. The 2019's and 2020's, in particular, really abuse the system by putting TG teams in under the cloak of a team with a different name. They complain all summer because their daughters team is not as good as some of the others, but fail to realize that by only getting who they believe to be "The Top 10" better, they are actually hurting the "Team." Instead of building unity and camaraderie, they build animosity. No "Team" can ever be all that good with that much divisiveness.

The ABOVE is an EXAMPLE of what will go on in this fall at TG. See above thread from last fall. Parents picking "special" kids to play in tournaments. WELCOME TO TG!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It does seem confusing that the program allows certain dads to cherry pick their own teams from the TG rosters. The 2019's and 2020's, in particular, really abuse the system by putting TG teams in under the cloak of a team with a different name. They complain all summer because their daughters team is not as good as some of the others, but fail to realize that by only getting who they believe to be "The Top 10" better, they are actually hurting the "Team." Instead of building unity and camaraderie, they build animosity. No "Team" can ever be all that good with that much divisiveness.

The ABOVE is an EXAMPLE of what will go on in this fall at TG. See above thread from last fall. Parents picking "special" kids to play in tournaments. WELCOME TO TG!

If I recall correctly, there was plenty of bitching on the YJ thread about the same thing.

If a parent puts together at team to take to a tournament, he/she can choose whomever he/she wants -- although they should not register under the club name.

We never experienced this on TG or 91, but every age is different in club land.

So you're saying west islip would've won the state championship if this one particular girl played for WI??? They graduated girls going to D1 schools. All TG players. Buh bye

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are other TG players being invited to Maryland or is this an uber exclusive venue?

Gets old when you have the same TG parents setting up tournaments at the younger age groups and they hand pick who is allowed to play. Somehow these parents have power over the rest of us and all they do is favor their own kids. The coaches kids never come out of the game no matter how many times they lose the ball and never play defense. Would be nice if something were available for all the kids and had actual coaches who knew something about the game instead of these guys who think they are the greatest coaches around.

It does seem confusing that the program allows certain dads to cherry pick their own teams from the TG rosters. The 2019's and 2020's, in particular, really abuse the system by putting TG teams in under the cloak of a team with a different name. They complain all summer because their daughters team is not as good as some of the others, but fail to realize that by only getting who they believe to be "The Top 10" better, they are actually hurting the "Team." Instead of building unity and camaraderie, they build animosity. No "Team" can ever be all that good with that much divisiveness.

The ABOVE is an EXAMPLE of what will go on in this fall at TG. See above thread from last fall. Parents picking "special" kids to play in tournaments. WELCOME TO TG!

Why don't you go play somewhere else? You're already complaining about fall lax, and the rosters aren't even finished...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are other TG players being invited to Maryland or is this an uber exclusive venue?

Gets old when you have the same TG parents setting up tournaments at the younger age groups and they hand pick who is allowed to play. Somehow these parents have power over the rest of us and all they do is favor their own kids. The coaches kids never come out of the game no matter how many times they lose the ball and never play defense. Would be nice if something were available for all the kids and had actual coaches who knew something about the game instead of these guys who think they are the greatest coaches around.

It does seem confusing that the program allows certain dads to cherry pick their own teams from the TG rosters. The 2019's and 2020's, in particular, really abuse the system by putting TG teams in under the cloak of a team with a different name. They complain all summer because their daughters team is not as good as some of the others, but fail to realize that by only getting who they believe to be "The Top 10" better, they are actually hurting the "Team." Instead of building unity and camaraderie, they build animosity. No "Team" can ever be all that good with that much divisiveness.

The ABOVE is an EXAMPLE of what will go on in this fall at TG. See above thread from last fall. Parents picking "special" kids to play in tournaments. WELCOME TO TG!

Why don't you go play somewhere else? You're already complaining about fall lax, and the rosters aren't even finished...

yj parents stirring the pot, don't respond

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter is a committed player to a D1 team, that did not play for T.G. or Y.J. As a matter of fact, probably the best 2014 player played for the Wave (K.M.). The point of this is fairly simple, and probably not what S.S or C.R. want any of you younger age group parents to know, It does not matter what travel club your daughter plays on, or on what color, or level,or initial comes after that club teams name. If your daughter is a good player, coaches will take her but it takes a lot of effort on the parents and players. The player must write letters to coaches and know at least 10 schools she wants to play for. The parents have to know to send the players to those camps early ( 7th or 8TH grade). Yes the college coaches will line the fields in June and July, but what they really want is to see how coachable your kid is at their camp, under their terms. So there is the secret, that is whWest at you pay C.R. and S.S. extra for. Truth is just because you play on Black or blue or lavender means nothing, if your kid fits, she goes. One last word of advice, and for some of you parents this will be impossible for you to fix.If the parent is overbearing, obnoxious, loud on the sideline, or abusive, no matter how good your kid is, coaches will pass her by. Find some nice kids and parents that you and your daughter enjoy being around and have fun at tournament, and send your kid to camps. That will be $1,500.00 I'll be expecting checks from all of you L.O.L

And she played for the Wave because her High School coach was the coach of the Wave. Believe it or not she was a West Islip resident can you imagine West Islip could of had the Long Island player of the year as well as the Suffolk County player of the year who was a Top Gun, they could have been 22-0 instead of 21-1 can you imagine how loud the lions would of roared! The parents are unbearable to begin with but 22-0 and with the top two players on long Island if not the state they would still be cheering

what the [lacrosse] are you talking about? What does west islip have to do with anything

West Islip was the class A NYS runner-up this year if KM stayed put we would of won the State and would of been 22-0 instead of 21-1. Im sorry for not making it more clear to you. Im sure you remember West Islip going 21-1 and losing to SEVEN time State Champion West Genesse in the final up at Cortland i could always fill you in or pay more attention in 2015 to West Islip. KM played for the Wave because the Wave coach was her HS coach do you understand that? Go watch Towson play and you will see how good KM is and how much better Towson will be. Please pay attention to your reading comprehension R E A D slower so it sinks in more.

So condescending yet you can't put a proper sentence together. It's not "would of" it's "would have" W R I T E slower so you can catch your mistakes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are other TG players being invited to Maryland or is this an uber exclusive venue?

Gets old when you have the same TG parents setting up tournaments at the younger age groups and they hand pick who is allowed to play. Somehow these parents have power over the rest of us and all they do is favor their own kids. The coaches kids never come out of the game no matter how many times they lose the ball and never play defense. Would be nice if something were available for all the kids and had actual coaches who knew something about the game instead of these guys who think they are the greatest coaches around.

It does seem confusing that the program allows certain dads to cherry pick their own teams from the TG rosters. The 2019's and 2020's, in particular, really abuse the system by putting TG teams in under the cloak of a team with a different name. They complain all summer because their daughters team is not as good as some of the others, but fail to realize that by only getting who they believe to be "The Top 10" better, they are actually hurting the "Team." Instead of building unity and camaraderie, they build animosity. No "Team" can ever be all that good with that much divisiveness.

The ABOVE is an EXAMPLE of what will go on in this fall at TG. See above thread from last fall. Parents picking "special" kids to play in tournaments. WELCOME TO TG!

Why don't you go play somewhere else? You're already complaining about fall lax, and the rosters aren't even finished...

yj parents stirring the pot, don't respond

Stirring the pot? Seriously? Are you denying there's a select team put together in the fall? Either you are one selecting the team or aren't one of the chosen ones.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So you're saying west islip would've won the state championship if this one particular girl played for WI??? They graduated girls going to D1 schools. All TG players. Buh bye

That's exactly the point I'm trying to get across. You got it finally. 22-0. Yes we still have a stable of girls on the team committed to Division 1 and it gets better in 2016 Watch us ROAR!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are other TG players being invited to Maryland or is this an uber exclusive venue?

Gets old when you have the same TG parents setting up tournaments at the younger age groups and they hand pick who is allowed to play. Somehow these parents have power over the rest of us and all they do is favor their own kids. The coaches kids never come out of the game no matter how many times they lose the ball and never play defense. Would be nice if something were available for all the kids and had actual coaches who knew something about the game instead of these guys who think they are the greatest coaches around.

It does seem confusing that the program allows certain dads to cherry pick their own teams from the TG rosters. The 2019's and 2020's, in particular, really abuse the system by putting TG teams in under the cloak of a team with a different name. They complain all summer because their daughters team is not as good as some of the others, but fail to realize that by only getting who they believe to be "The Top 10" better, they are actually hurting the "Team." Instead of building unity and camaraderie, they build animosity. No "Team" can ever be all that good with that much divisiveness.

The ABOVE is an EXAMPLE of what will go on in this fall at TG. See above thread from last fall. Parents picking "special" kids to play in tournaments. WELCOME TO TG!

Why don't you go play somewhere else? You're already complaining about fall lax, and the rosters aren't even finished...

yj parents stirring the pot, don't respond

You're right. I have to learn to let those stupid yj emails just sit there. My bad!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are other TG players being invited to Maryland or is this an uber exclusive venue?

Gets old when you have the same TG parents setting up tournaments at the younger age groups and they hand pick who is allowed to play. Somehow these parents have power over the rest of us and all they do is favor their own kids. The coaches kids never come out of the game no matter how many times they lose the ball and never play defense. Would be nice if something were available for all the kids and had actual coaches who knew something about the game instead of these guys who think they are the greatest coaches around.

It does seem confusing that the program allows certain dads to cherry pick their own teams from the TG rosters. The 2019's and 2020's, in particular, really abuse the system by putting TG teams in under the cloak of a team with a different name. They complain all summer because their daughters team is not as good as some of the others, but fail to realize that by only getting who they believe to be "The Top 10" better, they are actually hurting the "Team." Instead of building unity and camaraderie, they build animosity. No "Team" can ever be all that good with that much divisiveness.

The ABOVE is an EXAMPLE of what will go on in this fall at TG. See above thread from last fall. Parents picking "special" kids to play in tournaments. WELCOME TO TG!

This is not stirring the pot, it is an accurate refelection as to what new parents can expect in the fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are other TG players being invited to Maryland or is this an uber exclusive venue?

Gets old when you have the same TG parents setting up tournaments at the younger age groups and they hand pick who is allowed to play. Somehow these parents have power over the rest of us and all they do is favor their own kids. The coaches kids never come out of the game no matter how many times they lose the ball and never play defense. Would be nice if something were available for all the kids and had actual coaches who knew something about the game instead of these guys who think they are the greatest coaches around.

It does seem confusing that the program allows certain dads to cherry pick their own teams from the TG rosters. The 2019's and 2020's, in particular, really abuse the system by putting TG teams in under the cloak of a team with a different name. They complain all summer because their daughters team is not as good as some of the others, but fail to realize that by only getting who they believe to be "The Top 10" better, they are actually hurting the "Team." Instead of building unity and camaraderie, they build animosity. No "Team" can ever be all that good with that much divisiveness.

The ABOVE is an EXAMPLE of what will go on in this fall at TG. See above thread from last fall. Parents picking "special" kids to play in tournaments. WELCOME TO TG!

This is not stirring the pot, it is an accurate refelection as to what new parents can expect in the fall.

No it's not. This is our 3rd year with TG, and every year ALL players in our age group were invited to multiple fall tournaments, winter league, and winter practices.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are other TG players being invited to Maryland or is this an uber exclusive venue?

Gets old when you have the same TG parents setting up tournaments at the younger age groups and they hand pick who is allowed to play. Somehow these parents have power over the rest of us and all they do is favor their own kids. The coaches kids never come out of the game no matter how many times they lose the ball and never play defense. Would be nice if something were available for all the kids and had actual coaches who knew something about the game instead of these guys who think they are the greatest coaches around.

It does seem confusing that the program allows certain dads to cherry pick their own teams from the TG rosters. The 2019's and 2020's, in particular, really abuse the system by putting TG teams in under the cloak of a team with a different name. They complain all summer because their daughters team is not as good as some of the others, but fail to realize that by only getting who they believe to be "The Top 10" better, they are actually hurting the "Team." Instead of building unity and camaraderie, they build animosity. No "Team" can ever be all that good with that much divisiveness.

The ABOVE is an EXAMPLE of what will go on in this fall at TG. See above thread from last fall. Parents picking "special" kids to play in tournaments. WELCOME TO TG!

This is not stirring the pot, it is an accurate refelection as to what new parents can expect in the fall.

No it's not. This is our 3rd year with TG, and every year ALL players in our age group were invited to multiple fall tournaments, winter league, and winter practices.

You must not be 2020

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are other TG players being invited to Maryland or is this an uber exclusive venue?

Gets old when you have the same TG parents setting up tournaments at the younger age groups and they hand pick who is allowed to play. Somehow these parents have power over the rest of us and all they do is favor their own kids. The coaches kids never come out of the game no matter how many times they lose the ball and never play defense. Would be nice if something were available for all the kids and had actual coaches who knew something about the game instead of these guys who think they are the greatest coaches around.

It does seem confusing that the program allows certain dads to cherry pick their own teams from the TG rosters. The 2019's and 2020's, in particular, really abuse the system by putting TG teams in under the cloak of a team with a different name. They complain all summer because their daughters team is not as good as some of the others, but fail to realize that by only getting who they believe to be "The Top 10" better, they are actually hurting the "Team." Instead of building unity and camaraderie, they build animosity. No "Team" can ever be all that good with that much divisiveness.

The ABOVE is an EXAMPLE of what will go on in this fall at TG. See above thread from last fall. Parents picking "special" kids to play in tournaments. WELCOME TO TG!

Who determines which daddy's get to pick the teams? Can any daddy just make their own team? Are the daddy's endorsed and supported by BS and SS?

In the off season you are responsible for finding a way to improve your daughters playing ability. If that means training, putting together a team for a fall event or picking up a stick yourself and working with your kid, so be it. Stop complaining that other parents are not including your kid in the off season. Take some ownership of the situation. None of these things are endorsed by TG.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the off season you are responsible for finding a way to improve your daughters playing ability. If that means training, putting together a team for a fall event or picking up a stick yourself and working with your kid, so be it. Stop complaining that other parents are not including your kid in the off season. Take some ownership of the situation. None of these things are endorsed by TG.

So the TG "daddy" teams in the fall are not supported by TG and are picked by the parents and run by the parents. Thank you for the clarification.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the off season you are responsible for finding a way to improve your daughters playing ability. If that means training, putting together a team for a fall event or picking up a stick yourself and working with your kid, so be it. Stop complaining that other parents are not including your kid in the off season. Take some ownership of the situation. None of these things are endorsed by TG.

So the TG "daddy" teams in the fall are not supported by TG and are picked by the parents and run by the parents. Thank you for the clarification.

Not on the 2020 black team that's all coming to an end

What are the five summer tournaments for TG younger girls in 5th and 6th grade?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the five summer tournaments for TG younger girls in 5th and 6th grade?

2014 dates

Summer Classic 6/7-6/8
National Draw 6/20-6/21
The Grind 7/11-7/12
Best of the Beach
7/18 & 7/19
Lacrosse by 3 tourney
July 25/26

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the five summer tournaments for TG younger girls in 5th and 6th grade?

2014 dates

Summer Classic 6/7-6/8
National Draw 6/20-6/21
The Grind 7/11-7/12
Best of the Beach
7/18 & 7/19
Lacrosse by 3 tourney
July 25/26

Another year of 2021 ducking YJ? Only tourney they are in together is National Draw and I am sure TG will find a way to avoid playing YJ as they did last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the five summer tournaments for TG younger girls in 5th and 6th grade?

2014 dates

Summer Classic 6/7-6/8
National Draw 6/20-6/21
The Grind 7/11-7/12
Best of the Beach
7/18 & 7/19
Lacrosse by 3 tourney
July 25/26

Another year of 2021 ducking YJ? Only tourney they are in together is National Draw and I am sure TG will find a way to avoid playing YJ as they did last year.

TG 2021 didnt do well last year at ND.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the off season you are responsible for finding a way to improve your daughters playing ability. If that means training, putting together a team for a fall event or picking up a stick yourself and working with your kid, so be it. Stop complaining that other parents are not including your kid in the off season. Take some ownership of the situation. None of these things are endorsed by TG.

So the TG "daddy" teams in the fall are not supported by TG and are picked by the parents and run by the parents. Thank you for the clarification.

Not on the 2020 black team that's all coming to an end

Not so sure about that. They can still cherry pick and enter tourneys under a different name

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]In the off season you are responsible for finding a way to improve your daughters playing ability. If that means training, putting together a team for a fall event or picking up a stick yourself and working with your kid, so be it. Stop complaining that other parents are not including your kid in the off season. Take some ownership of the situation. None of these things are endorsed by TG.

So the TG "daddy" teams in the fall are not supported by TG and are picked by the parents and run by the parents. Thank you for the clarification.

Not on the 2020 black team that's all coming to an end

We sure hope so for Curcio's sake

Oh lord. there is no conspiracy. Teams and groups existed long before joining Top Guns. Kids are suppose to abandon their home town teams because they participate in Top Guns travel? I don't think so. Stop griping, get on the phone or email and find out the facts. You want your daughter to play.... then ask!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]In the off season you are responsible for finding a way to improve your daughters playing ability. If that means training, putting together a team for a fall event or picking up a stick yourself and working with your kid, so be it. Stop complaining that other parents are not including your kid in the off season. Take some ownership of the situation. None of these things are endorsed by TG.

So the TG "daddy" teams in the fall are not supported by TG and are picked by the parents and run by the parents. Thank you for the clarification.

Not on the 2020 black team that's all coming to an end

We sure hope so for Curcio's sake

What does this have to do with Curcio or YJ? Makes no sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the five summer tournaments for TG younger girls in 5th and 6th grade?

2014 dates

Summer Classic 6/7-6/8
National Draw 6/20-6/21
The Grind 7/11-7/12
Best of the Beach
7/18 & 7/19
Lacrosse by 3 tourney
July 25/26

Another year of 2021 ducking YJ? Only tourney they are in together is National Draw and I am sure TG will find a way to avoid playing YJ as they did last year.

Those are last year's tournaments Genius.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the five summer tournaments for TG younger girls in 5th and 6th grade?

2014 dates

Summer Classic 6/7-6/8
National Draw 6/20-6/21
The Grind 7/11-7/12
Best of the Beach
7/18 & 7/19
Lacrosse by 3 tourney
July 25/26

Another year of 2021 ducking YJ? Only tourney they are in together is National Draw and I am sure TG will find a way to avoid playing YJ as they did last year.

Smells yellow go back to your yj thread, we know who controls the scheduling and it's not TG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the five summer tournaments for TG younger girls in 5th and 6th grade?

2014 dates

Summer Classic 6/7-6/8
National Draw 6/20-6/21
The Grind 7/11-7/12
Best of the Beach
7/18 & 7/19
Lacrosse by 3 tourney
July 25/26

Another year of 2021 ducking YJ? Only tourney they are in together is National Draw and I am sure TG will find a way to avoid playing YJ as they did last year.

Those are last year's tournaments Genius.

Obviously those were meant to be reference points

Does anyone know if they are trying to field 1 or 2 2022 teams?

I finally figured out the lacrosse by 3 name, 3 college coaches in attendance

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I finally figured out the lacrosse by 3 name, 3 college coaches in attendance

That's what you should think about next time you go to a tournament and play 3 out of your four games against YJ teams! Ouch

Originally Posted by Anonymous

THe check is due by Sept. 15, you can still go to Beach Bums Tryouts and a few others before the check is due.

Elevate, Beach Bums, South Shore Turf, Icon. All better options than a white team, especially a second or third year on white. Your daughter deserves it!![/quote]

Just thinking outside the box, how about asking your kid what they want. I did and she said she enjoyed her self last year and is OK playing for white. Some of these posts are pathetic. I hope the posters do not return to TG. [/quote]

As a TG White parent, we have been debating all week about taking the spot we were offered. We have decided to go to other tryouts including Elevate. As this poster stated, we did lose to Elevate last year and my other daughter on 2021 Black ALSO lost to Elevate last year. I need them on the same club and I dont want to settle for White for my older one. I think she can be on a better team and I know last year the Elevate B team was very good and beat us pretty bad. I will attend other tryouts in addition to elevate. I think on some of the other clubs she could even make an A team. I guess we will take our chances and see how it goes this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I finally figured out the lacrosse by 3 name, 3 college coaches in attendance

That's what you should think about next time you go to a tournament and play 3 out of your four games against YJ teams! Ouch

That's what happens when your TG black team is worse than 3 YJ teams at the age like in Colorado the only teams left to play are YJ. Double Ouch!!

How soon before Beach Bums is called Legacy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

THe check is due by Sept. 15, you can still go to Beach Bums Tryouts and a few others before the check is due.

Elevate, Beach Bums, South Shore Turf, Icon. All better options than a white team, especially a second or third year on white. Your daughter deserves it!!

Just thinking outside the box, how about asking your kid what they want. I did and she said she enjoyed her self last year and is OK playing for white. Some of these posts are pathetic. I hope the posters do not return to TG. [/quote]

As a TG White parent, we have been debating all week about taking the spot we were offered. We have decided to go to other tryouts including Elevate. As this poster stated, we did lose to Elevate last year and my other daughter on 2021 Black ALSO lost to Elevate last year. I need them on the same club and I dont want to settle for White for my older one. I think she can be on a better team and I know last year the Elevate B team was very good and beat us pretty bad. I will attend other tryouts in addition to elevate. I think on some of the other clubs she could even make an A team. I guess we will take our chances and see how it goes this weekend. [/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

THe check is due by Sept. 15, you can still go to Beach Bums Tryouts and a few others before the check is due.

Elevate, Beach Bums, South Shore Turf, Icon. All better options than a white team, especially a second or third year on white. Your daughter deserves it!!

As a TG White parent, we have been debating all week about taking the spot we were offered. We have decided to go to other tryouts including Elevate. As this poster stated, we did lose to Elevate last year and my other daughter on 2021 Black ALSO lost to Elevate last year. I need them on the same club and I dont want to settle for White for my older one. I think she can be on a better team and I know last year the Elevate B team was very good and beat us pretty bad. I will attend other tryouts in addition to elevate. I think on some of the other clubs she could even make an A team. I guess we will take our chances and see how it goes this weekend. [/quote] [/quote]

Good move. YOu will be VERY happy when the summer comes and you run into that White team in a tournament and see how bad they are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

THe check is due by Sept. 15, you can still go to Beach Bums Tryouts and a few others before the check is due.

Elevate, Beach Bums, South Shore Turf, Icon. All better options than a white team, especially a second or third year on white. Your daughter deserves it!!

As a TG White parent, we have been debating all week about taking the spot we were offered. We have decided to go to other tryouts including Elevate. As this poster stated, we did lose to Elevate last year and my other daughter on 2021 Black ALSO lost to Elevate last year. I need them on the same club and I dont want to settle for White for my older one. I think she can be on a better team and I know last year the Elevate B team was very good and beat us pretty bad. I will attend other tryouts in addition to elevate. I think on some of the other clubs she could even make an A team. I guess we will take our chances and see how it goes this weekend.

[/quote]

Good move. YOu will be VERY happy when the summer comes and you run into that White team in a tournament and see how bad they are. [/quote]

What makes you think a TG C team player is going to make the Elevate B team? Why is it such a big deal that Elevates B team beat TG C team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How soon before Beach Bums is called Legacy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

THe check is due by Sept. 15, you can still go to Beach Bums Tryouts and a few others before the check is due.

Elevate, Beach Bums, South Shore Turf, Icon. All better options than a white team, especially a second or third year on white. Your daughter deserves it!!

How was BS's reaction when you told him your 2021 Black player wasn't coming back?

Just thinking outside the box, how about asking your kid what they want. I did and she said she enjoyed her self last year and is OK playing for white. Some of these posts are pathetic. I hope the posters do not return to TG.

As a TG White parent, we have been debating all week about taking the spot we were offered. We have decided to go to other tryouts including Elevate. As this poster stated, we did lose to Elevate last year and my other daughter on 2021 Black ALSO lost to Elevate last year. I need them on the same club and I dont want to settle for White for my older one. I think she can be on a better team and I know last year the Elevate B team was very good and beat us pretty bad. I will attend other tryouts in addition to elevate. I think on some of the other clubs she could even make an A team. I guess we will take our chances and see how it goes this weekend. [/quote] [/quote]

Because in general elevate sucks , their A team would lose to most good clubs B team .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How soon before Beach Bums is called Legacy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

THe check is due by Sept. 15, you can still go to Beach Bums Tryouts and a few others before the check is due.

Elevate, Beach Bums, South Shore Turf, Icon. All better options than a white team, especially a second or third year on white. Your daughter deserves it!!

How was BS's reaction when you told him your 2021 Black player wasn't coming back?

Just thinking outside the box, how about asking your kid what they want. I did and she said she enjoyed her self last year and is OK playing for white. Some of these posts are pathetic. I hope the posters do not return to TG.

As a TG White parent, we have been debating all week about taking the spot we were offered. We have decided to go to other tryouts including Elevate. As this poster stated, we did lose to Elevate last year and my other daughter on 2021 Black ALSO lost to Elevate last year. I need them on the same club and I dont want to settle for White for my older one. I think she can be on a better team and I know last year the Elevate B team was very good and beat us pretty bad. I will attend other tryouts in addition to elevate. I think on some of the other clubs she could even make an A team. I guess we will take our chances and see how it goes this weekend.

[/quote] [/quote]

Doubtful you make an A YJ team. Those teams are pretty solid and outsiders are only take if they are above and beyond what's there already. How about Liberty?
2021 won't have 3 teams. Girls are walking away.

Good, better to go back to 2 teams!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Because in general elevate sucks , their A team would lose to most good clubs B team .

What does that say about TG since their 2021 BLACK team lost to Elevate at national draw? Where does that put TG?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How soon before Beach Bums is called Legacy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

THe check is due by Sept. 15, you can still go to Beach Bums Tryouts and a few others before the check is due.

Elevate, Beach Bums, South Shore Turf, Icon. All better options than a white team, especially a second or third year on white. Your daughter deserves it!!

As a TG White parent, we have been debating all week about taking the spot we were offered. We have decided to go to other tryouts including Elevate. As this poster stated, we did lose to Elevate last year and my other daughter on 2021 Black ALSO lost to Elevate last year. I need them on the same club and I dont want to settle for White for my older one. I think she can be on a better team and I know last year the Elevate B team was very good and beat us pretty bad. I will attend other tryouts in addition to elevate. I think on some of the other clubs she could even make an A team. I guess we will take our chances and see how it goes this weekend.

[/quote]

Good move and good luck this weekend at tryouts.

Front runner chaser. Not sure what age group you are talking about. 2017 white was a good group and the returning players will gel that much more. There were only a few that did not fit, again sometimes it is the parent and not the kid.

They do need a player to take the draw and hopefully address it this season. That easily cost us half of the losses. Still was a good season.

If she made TG white, she's not making A team anywhere

anyone who watched that game saw a tg team that was in the process of setting girls in positions ...the skill level of the tg team was far above an elevate team that had 2 girls that took a straight line to the cage ...looking forward to this summer and a rematch...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone who watched that game saw a tg team that was in the process of setting girls in positions ...the skill level of the tg team was far above an elevate team that had 2 girls that took a straight line to the cage ...looking forward to this summer and a rematch...

I watched the game and thought that Elevate played much better than TG and was surprised by the lack of depth and talent of the TG team. Hopefully TG will be more competitive next year.

Saw that game b/n Elevate and TG White, my daughter's play for neither club. It wasnt much of a game, Elevate stopped shooting in second half because coaches were telling them not to shoot. You could hear them on parents side shouting it. It could have been much more lopsided but coaches had class not to be jerks and run it up. Say what you want, but that Elevate team was a good team, not sure but I think they won bracket.

thats so untrue... if you make white, you definetely have a chance to make another team somewhere else.. What a jerk!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw that game b/n Elevate and TG White, my daughter's play for neither club. It wasnt much of a game, Elevate stopped shooting in second half because coaches were telling them not to shoot. You could hear them on parents side shouting it. It could have been much more lopsided but coaches had class not to be jerks and run it up. Say what you want, but that Elevate team was a good team, not sure but I think they won bracket.

Elevate B is not a good team. In fact, Elevate A is just fair. TG 18 Black would beat Elevate A by 5. YJ 18 Blue would beat them by 8.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Front runner chaser. Not sure what age group you are talking about. 2017 white was a good group and the returning players will gel that much more. There were only a few that did not fit, again sometimes it is the parent and not the kid.

They do need a player to take the draw and hopefully address it this season. That easily cost us half of the losses. Still was a good season.

Can I borrow those rose colored glasses?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone who watched that game saw a tg team that was in the process of setting girls in positions ...the skill level of the tg team was far above an elevate team that had 2 girls that took a straight line to the cage ...looking forward to this summer and a rematch...

I watched the game and thought that Elevate played much better than TG and was surprised by the lack of depth and talent of the TG team. Hopefully TG will be more competitive next year.

Having played both teams at ND, TG without a doubt had more talent than Elevate 2021. There were 5th grade rec league teams in MD better than that Elevate team. TG at least gave us a game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone who watched that game saw a tg team that was in the process of setting girls in positions ...the skill level of the tg team was far above an elevate team that had 2 girls that took a straight line to the cage ...looking forward to this summer and a rematch...

I watched the game and thought that Elevate played much better than TG and was surprised by the lack of depth and talent of the TG team. Hopefully TG will be more competitive next year.

Having played both teams at ND, TG without a doubt had more talent than Elevate 2021. There were 5th grade rec league teams in MD better than that Elevate team. TG at least gave us a game.

TG Black lost to elevate so those comments have no merit. Elevate had to stop shooting to avoid running up the score. I think TG went 1-3 at ND. You must be confusing TG with another team you played that you thought had talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw that game b/n Elevate and TG White, my daughter's play for neither club. It wasnt much of a game, Elevate stopped shooting in second half because coaches were telling them not to shoot. You could hear them on parents side shouting it. It could have been much more lopsided but coaches had class not to be jerks and run it up. Say what you want, but that Elevate team was a good team, not sure but I think they won bracket.

Exactly what the game was like. Hoping TG will improve and be more competitive next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw that game b/n Elevate and TG White, my daughter's play for neither club. It wasnt much of a game, Elevate stopped shooting in second half because coaches were telling them not to shoot. You could hear them on parents side shouting it. It could have been much more lopsided but coaches had class not to be jerks and run it up. Say what you want, but that Elevate team was a good team, not sure but I think they won bracket.

Elevate B is not a good team. In fact, Elevate A is just fair. TG 18 Black would beat Elevate A by 5. YJ 18 Blue would beat them by 8.

Elevate 2018 B crushed TG white and would have been a good game with purple. Was hoping they would have gotten to play, hopefully next summer.

That's a ludricous post since TG 18 Black only beat Elevate A by one goal in fall 2013 and Elevate A was MUCH stronger this year. In fact, Elevate A was ahead at half and only once TG had their strongest player go straight to goal every time in second half, with SS screaming so you could hear her two states away, did they win by 1.

Relax Dave

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw that game b/n Elevate and TG White, my daughter's play for neither club. It wasnt much of a game, Elevate stopped shooting in second half because coaches were telling them not to shoot. You could hear them on parents side shouting it. It could have been much more lopsided but coaches had class not to be jerks and run it up. Say what you want, but that Elevate team was a good team, not sure but I think they won bracket.

Exactly what the game was like. Hoping TG will improve and be more competitive next year.

Still don't understand why this is such a hot topic. One program's B team beat another program's C team. Big deal!

wasn't Dave but nice try

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's a ludricous post since TG 18 Black only beat Elevate A by one goal in fall 2013 and Elevate A was MUCH stronger this year. In fact, Elevate A was ahead at half and only once TG had their strongest player go straight to goal every time in second half, with SS screaming so you could hear her two states away, did they win by 1.

That's funny and that is exactly what happened. Well described.

Hey TG I hear many of your brethren did not send in their checks and BS in panic mode , can only drive to so many houses begging kids to play .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey TG I hear many of your brethren did not send in their checks and BS in panic mode , can only drive to so many houses begging kids to play .

SS may have more time for TG this fall since Hofstra girls are not playing anyone this fall.

Yj blue beat them ( elevate blue ) by 3 goals at lax for cure. Not a blowout. It was one goal game til last five min. Then yj blew game open. Not really lopsided at all. Yj take too many penalties. Game can't ever be played. So many stoppages.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey TG I hear many of your brethren did not send in their checks and BS in panic mode , can only drive to so many houses begging kids to play .

Try again loser, checks not due till next week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey TG I hear many of your brethren did not send in their checks and BS in panic mode , can only drive to so many houses begging kids to play .

Try again loser, checks not due till next week.

There is at least 1 2021 black that chose not to play

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey TG I hear many of your brethren did not send in their checks and BS in panic mode , can only drive to so many houses begging kids to play .

Checks aren't due till next week. Don't worry he isn't going to be driving out to your house! Westhampton isn't worth thr trip.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey TG I hear many of your brethren did not send in their checks and BS in panic mode , can only drive to so many houses begging kids to play .

Try again loser, checks not due till next week.

I guess your kid is not worth the drive , go ahead deny they are calling and driving to peoples houses , panic setting in, kids following Levy , going Elevate, going YJ. What did they expect all that money for zero coaching and little college connections . Maybe you should give BS a call and ask him before you deny it again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey TG I hear many of your brethren did not send in their checks and BS in panic mode , can only drive to so many houses begging kids to play .

I am sure people are exploring their options as they should. There are a lot of programs out there and a lot of options. I doubt that they are going house to house at this point, they usually save that for early - mid next week. There are a few tryouts this weekend as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey TG I hear many of your brethren did not send in their checks and BS in panic mode , can only drive to so many houses begging kids to play .

Try again loser, checks not due till next week.

I guess your kid is not worth the drive , go ahead deny they are calling and driving to peoples houses , panic setting in, kids following Levy , going Elevate, going YJ. What did they expect all that money for zero coaching and little college connections . Maybe you should give BS a call and ask him before you deny it again.

I know a few that did not pay yet and are going to Elevate tryouts this weekend as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

thats so untrue... if you make white, you definetely have a chance to make another team somewhere else.. What a jerk!

I didn't say you don't have a chance to make another team...I said if you made TG white, you're not going to make an "A" team somewhere else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey TG I hear many of your brethren did not send in their checks and BS in panic mode , can only drive to so many houses begging kids to play .

Try again loser, checks not due till next week.

I guess your kid is not worth the drive , go ahead deny they are calling and driving to peoples houses , panic setting in, kids following Levy , going Elevate, going YJ. What did they expect all that money for zero coaching and little college connections . Maybe you should give BS a call and ask him before you deny it again.

Showing your ignorance by saying Bill and Shannon have little college connections. That's ridiculous statement, and I know from personal experience it's false.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wasn't Dave but nice try

Pete? You crazy boy!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey TG I hear many of your brethren did not send in their checks and BS in panic mode , can only drive to so many houses begging kids to play .

Try again loser, checks not due till next week.

I guess your kid is not worth the drive , go ahead deny they are calling and driving to peoples houses , panic setting in, kids following Levy , going Elevate, going YJ. What did they expect all that money for zero coaching and little college connections . Maybe you should give BS a call and ask him before you deny it again.

I know a few that did not pay yet and are going to Elevate tryouts this weekend as well.

And then they'll have the same problem in another week or two. Pay for Elevate or lose your spot. Then what? Another tryout?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey TG I hear many of your brethren did not send in their checks and BS in panic mode , can only drive to so many houses begging kids to play .

Checks aren't due till next week. Don't worry he isn't going to be driving out to your house! Westhampton isn't worth thr trip.

I love the fact that you are such a weasel and scumbag that you keep saying Westhampton , you are obviously too much of a [lacrosse] to say something in person , go ahead you never will , I bet even your kid is embarrassed that you are so terrified to speak your mind.

This back and forth crap is so silly! Why would anyone really care where kids play? The only kid you should be worried about is your OWN!! If kids are happy where they are then they stay, if not they leave. We are fortunate that LI had an over abundance of places to go! For all the money we as pantents lay out (regardless of the club) you shouldn't be at a place you're unhappy with. If my daughter's teammates are unhappy and leave, I wish them all the best. I wouldn't want her playing an entire summer with kids and parents that were miserable. I cannot understand the OBSESSION some people have with what kids are staying/leaving a club, play where you're happy and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This back and forth crap is so silly! Why would anyone really care where kids play? The only kid you should be worried about is your OWN!! If kids are happy where they are then they stay, if not they leave. We are fortunate that LI had an over abundance of places to go! For all the money we as pantents lay out (regardless of the club) you shouldn't be at a place you're unhappy with. If my daughter's teammates are unhappy and leave, I wish them all the best. I wouldn't want her playing an entire summer with kids and parents that were miserable. I cannot understand the OBSESSION some people have with what kids are staying/leaving a club, play where you're happy and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing!

It's all because parents must feel that their club is the undisputed best, and that means trashing the other clubs. What you say is so right, people should pick a place where they are happy and let everyone else be. The animosity and anonymous trashing of the clubs, coaches, and owners is insane and makes everyone look like idiots.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey TG I hear many of your brethren did not send in their checks and BS in panic mode , can only drive to so many houses begging kids to play .

Checks aren't due till next week. Don't worry he isn't going to be driving out to your house! Westhampton isn't worth thr trip.

I love the fact that you are such a weasel and scumbag that you keep saying Westhampton , you are obviously too much of a [lacrosse] to say something in person , go ahead you never will , I bet even your kid is embarrassed that you are so terrified to speak your mind.

lol you must really be from Westhampton

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey TG I hear many of your brethren did not send in their checks and BS in panic mode , can only drive to so many houses begging kids to play .

Checks aren't due till next week. Don't worry he isn't going to be driving out to your house! Westhampton isn't worth thr trip.

I love the fact that you are such a weasel and scumbag that you keep saying Westhampton , you are obviously too much of a [lacrosse] to say something in person , go ahead you never will , I bet even your kid is embarrassed that you are so terrified to speak your mind.

Somebody struck a nerve!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey TG I hear many of your brethren did not send in their checks and BS in panic mode , can only drive to so many houses begging kids to play .

Checks aren't due till next week. Don't worry he isn't going to be driving out to your house! Westhampton isn't worth thr trip.

I love the fact that you are such a weasel and scumbag that you keep saying Westhampton , you are obviously too much of a [lacrosse] to say something in person , go ahead you never will , I bet even your kid is embarrassed that you are so terrified to speak your mind.

So says "Anonymous"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey TG I hear many of your brethren did not send in their checks and BS in panic mode , can only drive to so many houses begging kids to play .

Checks aren't due till next week. Don't worry he isn't going to be driving out to your house! Westhampton isn't worth thr trip.

I love the fact that you are such a weasel and scumbag that you keep saying Westhampton , you are obviously too much of a [lacrosse] to say something in person , go ahead you never will , I bet even your kid is embarrassed that you are so terrified to speak your mind.

lol you must really be from Westhampton

Someone has a very creepy and unhealthy obsession with West Hampton. Let it go, it is becoming a bit scary for all readers of these threads.

M

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey TG I hear many of your brethren did not send in their checks and BS in panic mode , can only drive to so many houses begging kids to play .

Checks aren't due till next week. Don't worry he isn't going to be driving out to your house! Westhampton isn't worth thr trip.

I love the fact that you are such a weasel and scumbag that you keep saying Westhampton , you are obviously too much of a [lacrosse] to say something in person , go ahead you never will , I bet even your kid is embarrassed that you are so terrified to speak your mind.

lol you must really be from Westhampton

Someone has a very creepy and unhealthy obsession with West Hampton. Let it go, it is becoming a bit scary for all readers of these threads.

Yes. Agreed. Those two need to check off this site and go get a room

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey TG I hear many of your brethren did not send in their checks and BS in panic mode , can only drive to so many houses begging kids to play .

Checks aren't due till next week. Don't worry he isn't going to be driving out to your house! Westhampton isn't worth thr trip.

I love the fact that you are such a weasel and scumbag that you keep saying Westhampton , you are obviously too much of a [lacrosse] to say something in person , go ahead you never will , I bet even your kid is embarrassed that you are so terrified to speak your mind.

lol you must really be from Westhampton

When you say the same things in public that you post on here it is easy to figure out who it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey TG I hear many of your brethren did not send in their checks and BS in panic mode , can only drive to so many houses begging kids to play .

Checks aren't due till next week. Don't worry he isn't going to be driving out to your house! Westhampton isn't worth thr trip.

I love the fact that you are such a weasel and scumbag that you keep saying Westhampton , you are obviously too much of a [lacrosse] to say something in person , go ahead you never will , I bet even your kid is embarrassed that you are so terrified to speak your mind.

lol you must really be from Westhampton

When you say the same things in public that you post on here it is easy to figure out who it is.

Who is it, who is it?? The suspense is killing me!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey TG I hear many of your brethren did not send in their checks and BS in panic mode , can only drive to so many houses begging kids to play .

Try again loser, checks not due till next week.

I guess your kid is not worth the drive , go ahead deny they are calling and driving to peoples houses , panic setting in, kids following Levy , going Elevate, going YJ. What did they expect all that money for zero coaching and little college connections . Maybe you should give BS a call and ask him before you deny it again.

I know a few that did not pay yet and are going to Elevate tryouts this weekend as well.

Let us know how your daughter makes out at Elevate, heard there were a ton of kids there today at tryouts and some really good talent. She may need to settle for TG White and send in that check after all if she doesnt make Elevate.

Does anyone know -Do kids have to play on the team corresponding with their graduation year or can they play up? Like a 2020 play 2019?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know -Do kids have to play on the team corresponding with their graduation year or can they play up? Like a 2020 play 2019?

At TG the kids and their parents get to pick where they play. I wish I could say its controlled by the F&F plan but that does not exist at TG anymore as there are no longer any friends left in that organization, along with no more actual coaches. Sounds as if your 2019 and 2020 teams have crumbled.The good news is your 2020 team will be just as strong because the kid that was the whole team will be back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know -Do kids have to play on the team corresponding with their graduation year or can they play up? Like a 2020 play 2019?

One kid did but she is part of the group going to YJ and calling the shots as far as who coaches. Good luck!

TG parents please stay together. Have a meeting with BS and keep the 2020 all star team together. You have the greatest players bc all you daddies are all the best coaches. Tell BS you all want to coach. 24 coaches for 24 kids. That's a great player to coach ratio. You all want to coach and could do it better than anyone so you should propose it. TG 4 Life

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG parents please stay together. Have a meeting with BS and keep the 2020 all star team together. You have the greatest players bc all you daddies are all the best coaches. Tell BS you all want to coach. 24 coaches for 24 kids. That's a great player to coach ratio. You all want to coach and could do it better than anyone so you should propose it. TG 4 Life

What??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know -Do kids have to play on the team corresponding with their graduation year or can they play up? Like a 2020 play 2019?

At TG the kids and their parents get to pick where they play. I wish I could say its controlled by the F&F plan but that does not exist at TG anymore as there are no longer any friends left in that organization, along with no more actual coaches. Sounds as if your 2019 and 2020 teams have crumbled.The good news is your 2020 team will be just as strong because the kid that was the whole team will be back.

This person is an idiot, who was probably cut! We have plenty of friends and are happy with our coaches!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG parents please stay together. Have a meeting with BS and keep the 2020 all star team together. You have the greatest players bc all you daddies are all the best coaches. Tell BS you all want to coach. 24 coaches for 24 kids. That's a great player to coach ratio. You all want to coach and could do it better than anyone so you should propose it. TG 4 Life

I have a better idea..... If you are not happy that your kid isn't the best player on the team get together with a couple of the kids on the team and take them to YJ. While you are doing that cut a deal with YJ so you can be an assistant coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG parents please stay together. Have a meeting with BS and keep the 2020 all star team together. You have the greatest players bc all you daddies are all the best coaches. Tell BS you all want to coach. 24 coaches for 24 kids. That's a great player to coach ratio. You all want to coach and could do it better than anyone so you should propose it. TG 4 Life

I have a better idea..... If you are not happy that your kid isn't the best player on the team get together with a couple of the kids on the team and take them to YJ. While you are doing that cut a deal with YJ so you can be an assistant coach.

Nice , very typical TG parent response, you have stood on the sidelines with some of these people for years and pretended to be friends and because for what ever reason they decide to switch lax programs they become your enemy . It's a game loser , there are more important things than what club your kid plays for but w people like you no wonder kids are leaving TG in droves .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG parents please stay together. Have a meeting with BS and keep the 2020 all star team together. You have the greatest players bc all you daddies are all the best coaches. Tell BS you all want to coach. 24 coaches for 24 kids. That's a great player to coach ratio. You all want to coach and could do it better than anyone so you should propose it. TG 4 Life

I have a better idea..... If you are not happy that your kid isn't the best player on the team get together with a couple of the kids on the team and take them to YJ. While you are doing that cut a deal with YJ so you can be an assistant coach.

YJ parents are exactly the same, don't kid yourself. Most travel parents are the same
Nice , very typical TG parent response, you have stood on the sidelines with some of these people for years and pretended to be friends and because for what ever reason they decide to switch lax programs they become your enemy . It's a game loser , there are more important things than what club your kid plays for but w people like you no wonder kids are leaving TG in droves .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG parents please stay together. Have a meeting with BS and keep the 2020 all star team together. You have the greatest players bc all you daddies are all the best coaches. Tell BS you all want to coach. 24 coaches for 24 kids. That's a great player to coach ratio. You all want to coach and could do it better than anyone so you should propose it. TG 4 Life

I have a better idea..... If you are not happy that your kid isn't the best player on the team get together with a couple of the kids on the team and take them to YJ. While you are doing that cut a deal with YJ so you can be an assistant coach.

Could you all please grow up. You sound like a bunch of idiots. I would be embarrassed if you were my parents
Nice , very typical TG parent response, you have stood on the sidelines with some of these people for years and pretended to be friends and because for what ever reason they decide to switch lax programs they become your enemy . It's a game loser , there are more important things than what club your kid plays for but w people like you no wonder kids are leaving TG in droves .

You've got it all wrong the people who left were the ones pretending !
Best of luck to all staying and leaving!

Rumor has it, no more 2017 white! Sticking with two teams. Good move TG. That's a 6th or 7th team for YJ!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it, no more 2017 white! Sticking with two teams. Good move TG. That's a 6th or 7th team for YJ!

They should drop the 2018 white as well. That would be a good move.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG parents please stay together. Have a meeting with BS and keep the 2020 all star team together. You have the greatest players bc all you daddies are all the best coaches. Tell BS you all want to coach. 24 coaches for 24 kids. That's a great player to coach ratio. You all want to coach and could do it better than anyone so you should propose it. TG 4 Life

I have a better idea..... If you are not happy that your kid isn't the best player on the team get together with a couple of the kids on the team and take them to YJ. While you are doing that cut a deal with YJ so you can be an assistant coach.

Nice , very typical TG parent response, you have stood on the sidelines with some of these people for years and pretended to be friends and because for what ever reason they decide to switch lax programs they become your enemy . It's a game loser , there are more important things than what club your kid plays for but w people like you no wonder kids are leaving TG in droves .

Talk about PRETENDING. I was at a school varsity field hockey tournament this weekend in Great Neck and was listening to 3 Garden City moms talk about YJ, the club their 3 kids play on. They were totally mocking the luau and then went off about the cruise YJ is running. They were all making fun of CR and mocking her and these events and I am sure they are the ones that will be kissing up to her at tryouts. Now that is pretending.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it, no more 2017 white! Sticking with two teams. Good move TG. That's a 6th or 7th team for YJ!

They should drop the 2018 white as well. That would be a good move.

That's next. Lots of parents said yes that will not be returning. Wait until Sept 16 when checks don't come and girls make other teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it, no more 2017 white! Sticking with two teams. Good move TG. That's a 6th or 7th team for YJ!

They should drop the 2018 white as well. That would be a good move.

That's next. Lots of parents said yes that will not be returning. Wait until Sept 16 when checks don't come and girls make other teams

I met some TG parents at Elevate tryouts this weekend and they said others will be at the 2nd Elevate tryout next weekend. Guess we will see how it all plays out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Rumor has it, no more 2017 white! Sticking with two teams. Good move TG. That's a 6th or 7th team for YJ!

You have no clue. 2017 White was a good team and tied Yellow Jackets when they played each other. Not sure which YJ team, 3rd or 4th. Was not 5 or 6. Just shows that they want to keep it a quality program and not just a money grab!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Rumor has it, no more 2017 white! Sticking with two teams. Good move TG. That's a 6th or 7th team for YJ!

You have no clue. 2017 White was a good team and tied Yellow Jackets when they played each other. Not sure which YJ team, 3rd or 4th. Was not 5 or 6. Just shows that they want to keep it a quality program and not just a money grab!

Talk about clueless, TG like YJ makes as many teams as possible , if they had enough kids say yes they would have 3 teams , get a clue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know -Do kids have to play on the team corresponding with their graduation year or can they play up? Like a 2020 play 2019?

Can play-up until high school then they have to be at grad year for recruiting purposes. Will sometimes make exceptions for goalies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG parents please stay together. Have a meeting with BS and keep the 2020 all star team together. You have the greatest players bc all you daddies are all the best coaches. Tell BS you all want to coach. 24 coaches for 24 kids. That's a great player to coach ratio. You all want to coach and could do it better than anyone so you should propose it. TG 4 Life

Sounds good, consider it done!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it, no more 2017 white! Sticking with two teams. Good move TG. That's a 6th or 7th team for YJ!

They should drop the 2018 white as well. That would be a good move.

That's next. Lots of parents said yes that will not be returning. Wait until Sept 16 when checks don't come and girls make other teams

I met some TG parents at Elevate tryouts this weekend and they said others will be at the 2nd Elevate tryout next weekend. Guess we will see how it all plays out.

Good luck with that bucket full of crazy at elevate

OK YJ 5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it, no more 2017 white! Sticking with two teams. Good move TG. That's a 6th or 7th team for YJ!

They should drop the 2018 white as well. That would be a good move.

That's next. Lots of parents said yes that will not be returning. Wait until Sept 16 when checks don't come and girls make other teams

I met some TG parents at Elevate tryouts this weekend and they said others will be at the 2nd Elevate tryout next weekend. Guess we will see how it all plays out.

Saw Elevate just took over another club involving the Brown coach. Saw the press release on their website. Now have a D1 coach involved with their club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it, no more 2017 white! Sticking with two teams. Good move TG. That's a 6th or 7th team for YJ!

They should drop the 2018 white as well. That would be a good move.

That's next. Lots of parents said yes that will not be returning. Wait until Sept 16 when checks don't come and girls make other teams

I met some TG parents at Elevate tryouts this weekend and they said others will be at the 2nd Elevate tryout next weekend. Guess we will see how it all plays out.

Saw Elevate just took over another club involving the Brown coach. Saw the press release on their website. Now have a D1 coach involved with their club.

WOW

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it, no more 2017 white! Sticking with two teams. Good move TG. That's a 6th or 7th team for YJ!

They should drop the 2018 white as well. That would be a good move.

That's next. Lots of parents said yes that will not be returning. Wait until Sept 16 when checks don't come and girls make other teams

I met some TG parents at Elevate tryouts this weekend and they said others will be at the 2nd Elevate tryout next weekend. Guess we will see how it all plays out.

Saw Elevate just took over another club involving the Brown coach. Saw the press release on their website. Now have a D1 coach involved with their club.

And you felt the need to post this on the TG thread for what reason? smh you have got to get a hobby

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it, no more 2017 white! Sticking with two teams. Good move TG. That's a 6th or 7th team for YJ!

They should drop the 2018 white as well. That would be a good move.

That's next. Lots of parents said yes that will not be returning. Wait until Sept 16 when checks don't come and girls make other teams

I met some TG parents at Elevate tryouts this weekend and they said others will be at the 2nd Elevate tryout next weekend. Guess we will see how it all plays out.

Saw Elevate just took over another club involving the Brown coach. Saw the press release on their website. Now have a D1 coach involved with their club.

Yeah - I just saw that as well. Good move and great opportunity for girls who want to go to school up that way. Sounds like there are other college coaches in the program they took over that must be from up there as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it, no more 2017 white! Sticking with two teams. Good move TG. That's a 6th or 7th team for YJ!

They should drop the 2018 white as well. That would be a good move.

That's next. Lots of parents said yes that will not be returning. Wait until Sept 16 when checks don't come and girls make other teams

I met some TG parents at Elevate tryouts this weekend and they said others will be at the 2nd Elevate tryout next weekend. Guess we will see how it all plays out.

Saw Elevate just took over another club involving the Brown coach. Saw the press release on their website. Now have a D1 coach involved with their club.

WOW

Two D1 Coaches - Brown and Bryant along with 2 D3 Coaches and several HS coaches. Adding a lot to the Elevate program! Elevate tryout this weekend will be even more crowded than last weekend. My daughter had about 75 kids to her 2021 tryout. A lot of new talent will be exposed to these new coaches.

Nobody cares!

Two D1 Coaches - Brown and Bryant along with 2 D3 Coaches and several HS coaches. Adding a lot to the Elevate program! Elevate tryout this weekend will be even more crowded than last weekend. My daughter had about 75 kids to her 2021 tryout. A lot of new talent will be exposed to these new coaches. [/quote]

M&D had 30 girls at their 2021 tryouts and will still kick everyone's butts this year. Who cares how many kids come to tryouts?

New England United is a joke , so is Elevate , one descent year 2017, other than that pathetic. I think TG 2016 beat them 22-2 .As far as exposing Long Island elevate to these college coaches its not going to happen, they will essentially be 2 separate clubs ie YJ north.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New England United is a joke , so is Elevate , one descent year 2017, other than that pathetic. I think TG 2016 beat them 22-2 .As far as exposing Long Island elevate to these college coaches its not going to happen, they will essentially be 2 separate clubs ie YJ north.

TG 2021 Black lost to elevate at National Draw this summer - actually Elevate dominated them....... Who is the joke?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New England United is a joke , so is Elevate , one descent year 2017, other than that pathetic. I think TG 2016 beat them 22-2 .As far as exposing Long Island elevate to these college coaches its not going to happen, they will essentially be 2 separate clubs ie YJ north.

TG 2021 Black lost to elevate at National Draw this summer - actually Elevate dominated them....... Who is the joke?

If you are putting your hopes on a 4th grade team when most kids should not even play travel lacrosse that's sad. I heard many of the TG kids missed the second half as they were in the bathroom getting their diapers changed and Elevate had the advantage because they wear depends.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New England United is a joke , so is Elevate , one descent year 2017, other than that pathetic. I think TG 2016 beat them 22-2 .As far as exposing Long Island elevate to these college coaches its not going to happen, they will essentially be 2 separate clubs ie YJ north.

TG 2021 Black lost to elevate at National Draw this summer - actually Elevate dominated them....... Who is the joke?

Do the math. That makes TG Pathetic!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New England United is a joke , so is Elevate , one descent year 2017, other than that pathetic. I think TG 2016 beat them 22-2 .As far as exposing Long Island elevate to these college coaches its not going to happen, they will essentially be 2 separate clubs ie YJ north.

TG 2021 Black lost to elevate at National Draw this summer - actually Elevate dominated them....... Who is the joke?

And Elevate 2021 lost to M&D 10-3. Both teams are a joke

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New England United is a joke , so is Elevate , one descent year 2017, other than that pathetic. I think TG 2016 beat them 22-2 .As far as exposing Long Island elevate to these college coaches its not going to happen, they will essentially be 2 separate clubs ie YJ north.

TG 2021 Black lost to elevate at National Draw this summer - actually Elevate dominated them....... Who is the joke?

And Elevate 2021 lost to M&D 10-3. Both teams are a joke

From a TG 2016 Parent leave us out of your petty BS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New England United is a joke , so is Elevate , one descent year 2017, other than that pathetic. I think TG 2016 beat them 22-2 .As far as exposing Long Island elevate to these college coaches its not going to happen, they will essentially be 2 separate clubs ie YJ north.

TG 2021 Black lost to elevate at National Draw this summer - actually Elevate dominated them....... Who is the joke?

If you are putting your hopes on a 4th grade team when most kids should not even play travel lacrosse that's sad. I heard many of the TG kids missed the second half as they were in the bathroom getting their diapers changed and Elevate had the advantage because they wear depends.

Check your age groups. These kids are now in middle school and are only one year younger than the 2020's which is the ONLY team TG prides itself on. Obviously you can not admit the TG 2021's are not good so you had to make a joke.

No skin in game with either club but I like the Brown , Bryant connections vs. Hofstra.

tg 2021 black lost to elevate 6-4 at national draw hardly a domination ...please check back on the two teams in a few years to compare ...two completely different clubs and coaching and training styles...tg is concerned about skilled lax ...elevate is concerned about playing pal style run and gun ( which does not work when you start to play against better defenses as the girls get older)...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No skin in game with either club but I like the Brown , Bryant connections vs. Hofstra.

Obviously. How can you compare the two.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New England United is a joke , so is Elevate , one descent year 2017, other than that pathetic. I think TG 2016 beat them 22-2 .As far as exposing Long Island elevate to these college coaches its not going to happen, they will essentially be 2 separate clubs ie YJ north.

TG 2021 Black lost to elevate at National Draw this summer - actually Elevate dominated them....... Who is the joke?

If you are putting your hopes on a 4th grade team when most kids should not even play travel lacrosse that's sad. I heard many of the TG kids missed the second half as they were in the bathroom getting their diapers changed and Elevate had the advantage because they wear depends.

Check your age groups. These kids are now in middle school and are only one year younger than the 2020's which is the ONLY team TG prides itself on. Obviously you can not admit the TG 2021's are not good so you had to make a joke.

Actually the TG team were 4-5 th graders when u played them , by the way your director is nuts ,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it, no more 2017 white! Sticking with two teams. Good move TG. That's a 6th or 7th team for YJ!

They should drop the 2018 white as well. That would be a good move.

That's next. Lots of parents said yes that will not be returning. Wait until Sept 16 when checks don't come and girls make other teams

I met some TG parents at Elevate tryouts this weekend and they said others will be at the 2nd Elevate tryout next weekend. Guess we will see how it all plays out.

Saw Elevate just took over another club involving the Brown coach. Saw the press release on their website. Now have a D1 coach involved with their club.

elevate is great at marketing, but that's about it. oh wait they probably are equal to if not more obnoxious on the sidelines than any yj or tg parents/coaches/directors

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New England United is a joke , so is Elevate , one descent year 2017, other than that pathetic. I think TG 2016 beat them 22-2 .As far as exposing Long Island elevate to these college coaches its not going to happen, they will essentially be 2 separate clubs ie YJ north.

TG 2021 Black lost to elevate at National Draw this summer - actually Elevate dominated them....... Who is the joke?

If you are putting your hopes on a 4th grade team when most kids should not even play travel lacrosse that's sad. I heard many of the TG kids missed the second half as they were in the bathroom getting their diapers changed and Elevate had the advantage because they wear depends.

Check your age groups. These kids are now in middle school and are only one year younger than the 2020's which is the ONLY team TG prides itself on. Obviously you can not admit the TG 2021's are not good so you had to make a joke.

Actually the TG team were 4-5 th graders when u played them , by the way your director is nuts ,

I am surprised TG couldn't drum up enough demand last year to have an all 5th grade team, interesting.

I would like some insight on something pertaining to high school coaches. Do they have a major input on getting players from their hometown team to play on the club where they coach? Seems to be the case, but really don't know for sure. Does the Elevate coach at Northshore have her athletes play for here there. Just like I hear the rants that all of the girls might follow the TG coach (from Islip I believe) who left to go to Legacy. Just putting it out there. I would guess these coaches would want their athletes playing for them outside of school as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would like some insight on something pertaining to high school coaches. Do they have a major input on getting players from their hometown team to play on the club where they coach? Seems to be the case, but really don't know for sure. Does the Elevate coach at Northshore have her athletes play for here there. Just like I hear the rants that all of the girls might follow the TG coach (from Islip I believe) who left to go to Legacy. Just putting it out there. I would guess these coaches would want their athletes playing for them outside of school as well.

There's tremandous pressure from most of the HS coaches to play for the clubs that they are affiliated with - both boys and girls, that's why you see clubs hiring as many as possible. It's really quite an obscene pay to play scam that should be stoppped by the NYS HS athletic commission. I personally know a kid who was just coerced into switching clubs, because it doesn't look good for the kid to be playing against the school coaches club team during the summer - very sad that all these athletic directors, school boards and superintendents let this go on. I think that there is an entire thread dedicated to this on here

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No skin in game with either club but I like the Brown , Bryant connections vs. Hofstra.

Agree, I think this ads another dynamic to Elevate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No skin in game with either club but I like the Brown , Bryant connections vs. Hofstra.

Of course, what an obvious observation. GO TRYOUT FOR ELEVATE!

No skin in the game, However i thought i would go on top Gun thread and talk about Elevate.

Maybe next i will go on YJ and talk about Elevate. No skin in the game though.

The problem with trying out for Elevate is simply that the teams are not very good.Say what you want but they have one descent team ,not very good but better than average, other than that they are weak. There other problem is many times their top players leave to go to a club that actually has good teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The problem with trying out for Elevate is simply that the teams are not very good.Say what you want but they have one descent team ,not very good but better than average, other than that they are weak. There other problem is many times their top players leave to go to a club that actually has good teams.

Are you referring to their 2017 team or 2021 team both which are better than TG Black? My daughter played a TG White team that was just awful and Elevate crushed them and that was a 2018 team so I'm not sure which team you are referring to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey TG I hear many of your brethren did not send in their checks and BS in panic mode , can only drive to so many houses begging kids to play .

Still making house calls?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The problem with trying out for Elevate is simply that the teams are not very good.Say what you want but they have one descent team ,not very good but better than average, other than that they are weak. There other problem is many times their top players leave to go to a club that actually has good teams.

Are you referring to their 2017 team or 2021 team both which are better than TG Black? My daughter played a TG White team that was just awful and Elevate crushed them and that was a 2018 team so I'm not sure which team you are referring to?

Wonder who the Elevate stalker is on the TG thread?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The problem with trying out for Elevate is simply that the teams are not very good.Say what you want but they have one descent team ,not very good but better than average, other than that they are weak. There other problem is many times their top players leave to go to a club that actually has good teams.

Are you referring to their 2017 team or 2021 team both which are better than TG Black? My daughter played a TG White team that was just awful and Elevate crushed them and that was a 2018 team so I'm not sure which team you are referring to?

TG white was a C team! You should have crushed them! It's a non-story! Big deal!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The problem with trying out for Elevate is simply that the teams are not very good.Say what you want but they have one descent team ,not very good but better than average, other than that they are weak. There other problem is many times their top players leave to go to a club that actually has good teams.

Are you referring to their 2017 team or 2021 team both which are better than TG Black? My daughter played a TG White team that was just awful and Elevate crushed them and that was a 2018 team so I'm not sure which team you are referring to?

Wonder who the Elevate stalker is on the TG thread?

A 2021 parent trying to keep Elevate on the radar screen. They are on every thread with the same message. To be fair, they beat TG 2021 easily.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The problem with trying out for Elevate is simply that the teams are not very good.Say what you want but they have one descent team ,not very good but better than average, other than that they are weak. There other problem is many times their top players leave to go to a club that actually has good teams.

Are you referring to their 2017 team or 2021 team both which are better than TG Black? My daughter played a TG White team that was just awful and Elevate crushed them and that was a 2018 team so I'm not sure which team you are referring to?

TG white was a C team! You should have crushed them! It's a non-story! Big deal!

To be clear, it was the Eevate B team that crushed TG White and would think that they would do the same to TG Purple.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The problem with trying out for Elevate is simply that the teams are not very good.Say what you want but they have one descent team ,not very good but better than average, other than that they are weak. There other problem is many times their top players leave to go to a club that actually has good teams.

Are you referring to their 2017 team or 2021 team both which are better than TG Black? My daughter played a TG White team that was just awful and Elevate crushed them and that was a 2018 team so I'm not sure which team you are referring to?

Wonder who the Elevate stalker is on the TG thread?

Wondering also, why these people don't worry about their own club is puzzling to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The problem with trying out for Elevate is simply that the teams are not very good.Say what you want but they have one descent team ,not very good but better than average, other than that they are weak. There other problem is many times their top players leave to go to a club that actually has good teams.

Are you referring to their 2017 team or 2021 team both which are better than TG Black? My daughter played a TG White team that was just awful and Elevate crushed them and that was a 2018 team so I'm not sure which team you are referring to?

Wonder who the Elevate stalker is on the TG thread?

Wondering also, why these people don't worry about their own club is puzzling to me.

Why doesn't Elevate have their own thread like TG and YJ? Moderator?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The problem with trying out for Elevate is simply that the teams are not very good.Say what you want but they have one descent team ,not very good but better than average, other than that they are weak. There other problem is many times their top players leave to go to a club that actually has good teams.

Are you referring to their 2017 team or 2021 team both which are better than TG Black? My daughter played a TG White team that was just awful and Elevate crushed them and that was a 2018 team so I'm not sure which team you are referring to?

TG white was a C team! You should have crushed them! It's a non-story! Big deal!

To be clear, it was the Eevate B team that crushed TG White and would think that they would do the same to TG Purple.

Elevate is not good. They are a non factor. They are not beating purple, and in all years except 2017, elevate is getting crushed by black.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The problem with trying out for Elevate is simply that the teams are not very good.Say what you want but they have one descent team ,not very good but better than average, other than that they are weak. There other problem is many times their top players leave to go to a club that actually has good teams.

Are you referring to their 2017 team or 2021 team both which are better than TG Black? My daughter played a TG White team that was just awful and Elevate crushed them and that was a 2018 team so I'm not sure which team you are referring to?

TG white was a C team! You should have crushed them! It's a non-story! Big deal!

To be clear, it was the Eevate B team that crushed TG White and would think that they would do the same to TG Purple.

I know Einstein...B should beat C...I keep saying it's non-story! and our 2017 purple team already beat Elevate B, so big deal...who cares?!!

Top Guns Purple 2018 crushed Elevate B and C in 2013!!!

The Elevate stalker is probably a Top Guns Wanna Be

Actually Top Guns Purple 2018 beat Elevate A and B in 2013!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns Purple 2018 crushed Elevate B and C in 2013!!!

A 1 goal win from two summers ago - that's crushing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The problem with trying out for Elevate is simply that the teams are not very good.Say what you want but they have one descent team ,not very good but better than average, other than that they are weak. There other problem is many times their top players leave to go to a club that actually has good teams.

Are you referring to their 2017 team or 2021 team both which are better than TG Black? My daughter played a TG White team that was just awful and Elevate crushed them and that was a 2018 team so I'm not sure which team you are referring to?

TG white was a C team! You should have crushed them! It's a non-story! Big deal!

To be clear, it was the Eevate B team that crushed TG White and would think that they would do the same to TG Purple.

Elevate is not good. They are a non factor. They are not beating purple, and in all years except 2017, elevate is getting crushed by black.

Not the Elevate folks, but 2021 Black lost handily to Elevate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns Purple 2018 crushed Elevate B and C in 2013!!!

A 1 goal win from two summers ago - that's crushing?

2021 Black lost to Team Elevate. I do think TG will be more competitive this year.

Enough with the Elevate 2021 beat TG black. Its the only victory your organization can hang its hat on. Everyone in TG knows the 2021 Black team was not good when the season started. They got it together by the end of the summer. 2021 Black was not strong but it is well known up and down the east coast they Elevate is a B program trying to hang with the big girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns Purple 2018 crushed Elevate B and C in 2013!!!

A 1 goal win from two summers ago - that's crushing?

2021 Black lost to Team Elevate. I do think TG will be more competitive this year.

Doubtful, 2 of the girls left and at least 1 new one offered a spot didn't bite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns Purple 2018 crushed Elevate B and C in 2013!!!

A 1 goal win from two summers ago - that's crushing?

2021 Black lost to Team Elevate. I do think TG will be more competitive this year.

Doubtful, 2 of the girls left and at least 1 new one offered a spot didn't bite

Maybe they will reconsider after they visit their house?

Top kids from 2019-2021 left TG bye bye

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top kids from 2019-2021 left TG bye bye

And your point is?? Yours still didn't make TG so......... Go back to your own thread. Those that left can easily be replaced. There are a lot of talented girls around and definitely enough to replace those that are gone. Everyone is replaceable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top kids from 2019-2021 left TG bye bye

I wasn't aware TG had any top 2021 kids. They must have stayed home during ND this year.

So now your kid won't play at YJ. CAREFUL WHAT YOU BRAG ABOUT.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now your kid won't play at YJ. CAREFUL WHAT YOU BRAG ABOUT.

Right on.. tell em.. They're so clueless

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top kids from 2019-2021 left TG bye bye

What club did they go to? Did they have any top kids on 2021 - probably not a big loss.

don't you realize everyone on this site things their kid is the top kid ....that's the problem!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top kids from 2019-2021 left TG bye bye

What club did they go to? Did they have any top kids on 2021 - probably not a big loss.

They left to go to Yellow Jackets...whoopty doo. Good Luck to them though. you're right, it's definately not a big loss, except that YJ thinks they have completely ruined TG. Lots of talent still on TG no need to worry.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top kids from 2019-2021 left TG bye bye

What club did they go to? Did they have any top kids on 2021 - probably not a big loss.

No top kids from 2020 left. Losing 2 good players and 2 mediocre players. 2nd and 3 rd line types. 2 to YJ and 2 to legacy. Best players from last season still on team.

you lost the coach....they will be good w/o him....not as great in the big games....it will become typical TG type of game with out that coach...
BS and SS offense...just clear space and let the horses run and try to win

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you lost the coach....they will be good w/o him....not as great in the big games....it will become typical TG type of game with out that coach...
BS and SS offense...just clear space and let the horses run and try to win

That's all they know, it work for them ( SS as a player) but it is not good lacrosse, hard to watch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually Top Guns Purple 2018 beat Elevate A and B in 2013!!

Different team in 2014. Much better. Can't use scores from that summer to compare teams now mr smart

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you lost the coach....they will be good w/o him....not as great in the big games....it will become typical TG type of game with out that coach...
BS and SS offense...just clear space and let the horses run and try to win

True lost the coach and yes he was very good. However first year he missed more tournaments then he attended, as he also coached older daughters team, during recruiting year. Team lost one game. This past season missed at least 2 tournaments and team was undefeated.

Team will be fine Will still be very good. Girls leaving will have no discernible impact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you lost the coach....they will be good w/o him....not as great in the big games....it will become typical TG type of game with out that coach...
BS and SS offense...just clear space and let the horses run and try to win

True lost the coach and yes he was very good. However first year he missed more tournaments then he attended, as he also coached older daughters team, during recruiting year. Team lost one game. This past season missed at least 2 tournaments and team was undefeated.

Team will be fine Will still be very good. Girls leaving will have no discernible impact.

Its over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you lost the coach....they will be good w/o him....not as great in the big games....it will become typical TG type of game with out that coach...
BS and SS offense...just clear space and let the horses run and try to win

True lost the coach and yes he was very good. However first year he missed more tournaments then he attended, as he also coached older daughters team, during recruiting year. Team lost one game. This past season missed at least 2 tournaments and team was undefeated.

Team will be fine Will still be very good. Girls leaving will have no discernible impact.

Its over.

Have faith. This program. Will be just fine. Most of us at 2020 went to TG for reasons other then the coach that left as he was not the listed coach. Lets remember that.

true he was not the listed coach...you got lucky and have been living in a bubble...you have no idea what is out there coaching...you will see...good luck , you need it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you lost the coach....they will be good w/o him....not as great in the big games....it will become typical TG type of game with out that coach...
BS and SS offense...just clear space and let the horses run and try to win

True lost the coach and yes he was very good. However first year he missed more tournaments then he attended, as he also coached older daughters team, during recruiting year. Team lost one game. This past season missed at least 2 tournaments and team was undefeated.

Team will be fine Will still be very good. Girls leaving will have no discernible impact.

If SL is such a great coach and the only reason 20 Black was undefeated .... Let's see how great he does with his Legacy team this year.

Why did you go to Tg in the first place. Coaching is not good. Not cheap. Little help with recruiting other then some exposure. Uniforms horrendous. My guess is SS was and still may be the main attraction. Problem is in the beginning people were told it was her club , that obviously was false, its her dads club and he brings mostly negative with him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why did you go to Tg in the first place. Coaching is not good. Not cheap. Little help with recruiting other then some exposure. Uniforms horrendous. My guess is SS was and still may be the main attraction. Problem is in the beginning people were told it was her club , that obviously was false, its her dads club and he brings mostly negative with him.

Tell us about your club and why we should go there?? we are all anxious to hear it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why did you go to Tg in the first place. Coaching is not good. Not cheap. Little help with recruiting other then some exposure. Uniforms horrendous. My guess is SS was and still may be the main attraction. Problem is in the beginning people were told it was her club , that obviously was false, its her dads club and he brings mostly negative with him.

All depends on which team you're on, and what your relationship is with the coaches and the Smiths. Some are having a great experience, some ok, and some not so good. If uniforms are on your priority list, and you don't think they help with recruiting, it's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you lost the coach....they will be good w/o him....not as great in the big games....it will become typical TG type of game with out that coach...
BS and SS offense...just clear space and let the horses run and try to win

True lost the coach and yes he was very good. However first year he missed more tournaments then he attended, as he also coached older daughters team, during recruiting year. Team lost one game. This past season missed at least 2 tournaments and team was undefeated.

Team will be fine Will still be very good. Girls leaving will have no discernible impact.

If SL is such a great coach and the only reason 20 Black was undefeated .... Let's see how great he does with his Legacy team this year.

I think it's partly the coaching, partly the talent a coach has on his/her team & partly the girls themselves (attitude, team player & sportsmanship)! To be successful I think you need all the parts not one in place of another!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you lost the coach....they will be good w/o him....not as great in the big games....it will become typical TG type of game with out that coach...
BS and SS offense...just clear space and let the horses run and try to win

True lost the coach and yes he was very good. However first year he missed more tournaments then he attended, as he also coached older daughters team, during recruiting year. Team lost one game. This past season missed at least 2 tournaments and team was undefeated.

Team will be fine Will still be very good. Girls leaving will have no discernible impact.

If SL is such a great coach and the only reason 20 Black was undefeated .... Let's see how great he does with his Legacy team this year.

Its not that SL is such a great coach, he is on par with most other Hs coaches and coaches at other travel clubs. Being merely a suitable coach he sticks out like a sore thumb at topguns where they seriously have zero coaching. Hiring real coaches must dip into to profits too much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you lost the coach....they will be good w/o him....not as great in the big games....it will become typical TG type of game with out that coach...
BS and SS offense...just clear space and let the horses run and try to win

True lost the coach and yes he was very good. However first year he missed more tournaments then he attended, as he also coached older daughters team, during recruiting year. Team lost one game. This past season missed at least 2 tournaments and team was undefeated.

Team will be fine Will still be very good. Girls leaving will have no discernible impact.

If SL is such a great coach and the only reason 20 Black was undefeated .... Let's see how great he does with his Legacy team this year.

Is this dirty waters?

Then you should stay on Elevate and find an Elevate thread!

It is true. SL was the only legitimate coach in the program. The rest are students. With him gone, there will be a major shuffling of coaches.

Legacy girls holding second tryout tomorrow. I'm sure SL would live to see you all come down and check them out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns Purple 2018 crushed Elevate B and C in 2013!!!

A 1 goal win from two summers ago - that's crushing?

2021 Black lost to Team Elevate. I do think TG will be more competitive this year.

TG black teams are supposed to be good, in this age group that is not the case. Elevate pounding chest for beating this team is no real accomplishment. As far as TG being more competitive next year...sounds like they will be even less competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Legacy girls holding second tryout tomorrow. I'm sure SL would live to see you all come down and check them out

Get Lost!! No one cares.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns Purple 2018 crushed Elevate B and C in 2013!!!

A 1 goal win from two summers ago - that's crushing?

2021 Black lost to Team Elevate. I do think TG will be more competitive this year.

TG black teams are supposed to be good, in this age group that is not the case. Elevate pounding chest for beating this team is no real accomplishment. As far as TG being more competitive next year...sounds like they will be even less competitive.

They are losing at least 3 from last year, including their best player (the one who played with the 2020 girls two seasons ago) (all going to YJ's). YJ's will be the best team in this age once the new girls come. YJ 2021 team will go close to undefeated next season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns Purple 2018 crushed Elevate B and C in 2013!!!

A 1 goal win from two summers ago - that's crushing?

2021 Black lost to Team Elevate. I do think TG will be more competitive this year.

TG black teams are supposed to be good, in this age group that is not the case. Elevate pounding chest for beating this team is no real accomplishment. As far as TG being more competitive next year...sounds like they will be even less competitive.

They are losing at least 3 from last year, including their best player (the one who played with the 2020 girls two seasons ago) (all going to YJ's). YJ's will be the best team in this age once the new girls come. YJ 2021 team will go close to undefeated next season.

ok, move on. most of us don't care

2021 really! Get a new hobby

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns Purple 2018 crushed Elevate B and C in 2013!!!

A 1 goal win from two summers ago - that's crushing?

2021 Black lost to Team Elevate. I do think TG will be more competitive this year.

TG black teams are supposed to be good, in this age group that is not the case. Elevate pounding chest for beating this team is no real accomplishment. As far as TG being more competitive next year...sounds like they will be even less competitive.

They are losing at least 3 from last year, including their best player (the one who played with the 2020 girls two seasons ago) (all going to YJ's). YJ's will be the best team in this age once the new girls come. YJ 2021 team will go close to undefeated next season.

2019, 2020, 2021 all suffering great losses. You can down play it all you want, all I know is you don't see any YJ players walking away from Blue, much less top players, much less multiple girls leaving in numbers. Gotta be scratching ur head here, something just ain't right with the club.

Good luck to 19,20,21 YJ Side lines. Teams will be good. Sidelines will suck

top player from 2021 tg black is staying along with the new addition goalie from purple ...both could be the best 11yr olds at their positions ...next season will be an improvement as the supporting players improve ....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

top player from 2021 tg black is staying along with the new addition goalie from purple ...both could be the best 11yr olds at their positions ...next season will be an improvement as the supporting players improve ....

Thanks mom!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

top player from 2021 tg black is staying along with the new addition goalie from purple ...both could be the best 11yr olds at their positions ...next season will be an improvement as the supporting players improve ....

You obviously have not watched YJ Blue yet. Best goalie I have seen at that age and at least one field player you just can't touch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns Purple 2018 crushed Elevate B and C in 2013!!!

A 1 goal win from two summers ago - that's crushing?

2021 Black lost to Team Elevate. I do think TG will be more competitive this year.

TG black teams are supposed to be good, in this age group that is not the case. Elevate pounding chest for beating this team is no real accomplishment. As far as TG being more competitive next year...sounds like they will be even less competitive.

They are losing at least 3 from last year, including their best player (the one who played with the 2020 girls two seasons ago) (all going to YJ's). YJ's will be the best team in this age once the new girls come. YJ 2021 team will go close to undefeated next season.

Definitely knew about the top player leaving, that's a tough loss, did not hear of any others leaving, that rumor may not be true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

top player from 2021 tg black is staying along with the new addition goalie from purple ...both could be the best 11yr olds at their positions ...next season will be an improvement as the supporting players improve ....

I heard many supporting players said no. Anyone know about this?

Do some of you people actually sit around the water cooler at work and talk about how great your 11 year old daughters lacrosse team is!? This is such a sad reflection on how we are raising our children.

So many of you are going to be so disappointed when you find out the athletic money is so little. You are better off at the water cooler talking about how smart your child is...that is where most of the money will come from.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

top player from 2021 tg black is staying along with the new addition goalie from purple ...both could be the best 11yr olds at their positions ...next season will be an improvement as the supporting players improve ....

There was no top 2021 player on TG??????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

top player from 2021 tg black is staying along with the new addition goalie from purple ...both could be the best 11yr olds at their positions ...next season will be an improvement as the supporting players improve ....

You obviously have not watched YJ Blue yet. Best goalie I have seen at that age and at least one field player you just can't touch.

Best at their positions? Funny how they both lost to M&D.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

top player from 2021 tg black is staying along with the new addition goalie from purple ...both could be the best 11yr olds at their positions ...next season will be an improvement as the supporting players improve ....

You obviously have not watched YJ Blue yet. Best goalie I have seen at that age and at least one field player you just can't touch.

Best at their positions? Funny how they both lost to M&D.

A team win is a different conversation, Having watched the M&D team play, my opinion does not change.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do some of you people actually sit around the water cooler at work and talk about how great your 11 year old daughters lacrosse team is!? This is such a sad reflection on how we are raising our children.

So many of you are going to be so disappointed when you find out the athletic money is so little. You are better off at the water cooler talking about how smart your child is...that is where most of the money will come from.

I am sure you are on target for many, but for some, lacrosse can be the differentiator for what level of school our child can attend. Just grades will not get you into the best schools, but grades and a lacrosse game can be the difference between a top 20 school or not. It is also about all the great things that competitive athletics teach your kids for life. Some folks are fortunate to not be worried about the money, but rather the develop of their child as a person and the opportunities they get early in life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

top player from 2021 tg black is staying along with the new addition goalie from purple ...both could be the best 11yr olds at their positions ...next season will be an improvement as the supporting players improve ....

You obviously have not watched YJ Blue yet. Best goalie I have seen at that age and at least one field player you just can't touch.

I don't know what you watched, but M&D 2021 has the best player at that age. Without question.
Best at their positions? Funny how they both lost to M&D.

A team win is a different conversation, Having watched the M&D team play, my opinion does not change.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

top player from 2021 tg black is staying along with the new addition goalie from purple ...both could be the best 11yr olds at their positions ...next season will be an improvement as the supporting players improve ....

Supporting players?????? You mean the girls that pass the ball to the open player and have been taught to be team players???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

top player from 2021 tg black is staying along with the new addition goalie from purple ...both could be the best 11yr olds at their positions ...next season will be an improvement as the supporting players improve ....

One of the better players from 2021 is definetly gone (had the nerve to go to tryouts and Even accepted the invitation. Not sure if the parents will actually send in the deposit. My bet is they are stringing BS along, shame on him since BS supported him with his shaft business experiment)... A bit of a ball hog anyway. The team may suffer a short term loss, but overall it will help them to develop better. We will more than make up the loss of her by getting last year's purple goalie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do some of you people actually sit around the water cooler at work and talk about how great your 11 year old daughters lacrosse team is!? This is such a sad reflection on how we are raising our children.

So many of you are going to be so disappointed when you find out the athletic money is so little. You are better off at the water cooler talking about how smart your child is...that is where most of the money will come from.

I am sure you are on target for many, but for some, lacrosse can be the differentiator for what level of school our child can attend. Just grades will not get you into the best schools, but grades and a lacrosse game can be the difference between a top 20 school or not. It is also about all the great things that competitive athletics teach your kids for life. Some folks are fortunate to not be worried about the money, but rather the develop of their child as a person and the opportunities they get early in life.

Unfortunately sometimes these travel teams just show the girls the nasty side of sports-the parents that kiss up so daughters can play - or the parents that have the money to pay for extra lessons - for some it can be a positive experience - but with all the gossip and talk about who is better than who - really?is that what you want to teach your child?

One girl leaving a team does not make a difference, especially when the girl is a "ball hogette." Opens up a chance for other girls to get involved who might not have been aggressive or intimidated by her. Analyzing 7th grade teams? Girls at middle school change so much physically from year to year. 1 out of every 100 athletes gets a sports scholarship. Hire a tutor and that will improve your chance of making a team with talent and academic money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One girl leaving a team does not make a difference, especially when the girl is a "ball hogette." Opens up a chance for other girls to get involved who might not have been aggressive or intimidated by her. Analyzing 7th grade teams? Girls at middle school change so much physically from year to year. 1 out of every 100 athletes gets a sports scholarship. Hire a tutor and that will improve your chance of making a team with talent and academic money.

If you played for TG you would know that most teams are built around one or 2 girls holding the ball and and not passing it. The goal isn't to open anything up. So if one of those girls leave it does have a dramatic impact on the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top kids from 2019-2021 left TG bye bye

What club did they go to? Did they have any top kids on 2021 - probably not a big loss.

No top kids from 2020 left. Losing 2 good players and 2 mediocre players. 2nd and 3 rd line types. 2 to YJ and 2 to legacy. Best players from last season still on team.

Agreed of the three that are rumored to be going to YJ Curcio on the one that played with the 2019 TG black team will have any impact, suspected new assistants kid is not as good as any starter on YJ Curcio and 3rd kid is borderline to even make team (of course excluding back door deals). Those are facts tow of the kids are mediocre at best other is a very good player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top kids from 2019-2021 left TG bye bye

What club did they go to? Did they have any top kids on 2021 - probably not a big loss.

No top kids from 2020 left. Losing 2 good players and 2 mediocre players. 2nd and 3 rd line types. 2 to YJ and 2 to legacy. Best players from last season still on team.

Agreed of the three that are rumored to be going to YJ Curcio on the one that played with the 2019 TG black team will have any impact, suspected new assistants kid is not as good as any starter on YJ Curcio and 3rd kid is borderline to even make team (of course excluding back door deals). Those are facts tow of the kids are mediocre at best other is a very good player.

I have no skin in the TG and YJ fight, just enjoy watching my daughter have fun playing the game she loves. It is disturbing that 7th grade girls that change teams are torn apart on this site by their former teammate's parents. It is really not necessary and I hope your daughter's are never subject to that level scrutiny.

Agree 100 percent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top kids from 2019-2021 left TG bye bye

What club did they go to? Did they have any top kids on 2021 - probably not a big loss.

No top kids from 2020 left. Losing 2 good players and 2 mediocre players. 2nd and 3 rd line types. 2 to YJ and 2 to legacy. Best players from last season still on team.

Agreed of the three that are rumored to be going to YJ Curcio on the one that played with the 2019 TG black team will have any impact, suspected new assistants kid is not as good as any starter on YJ Curcio and 3rd kid is borderline to even make team (of course excluding back door deals). Those are facts tow of the kids are mediocre at best other is a very good player.

I have no skin in the TG and YJ fight, just enjoy watching my daughter have fun playing the game she loves. It is disturbing that 7th grade girls that change teams are torn apart on this site by their former teammate's parents. It is really not necessary and I hope your daughter's are never subject to that level scrutiny.

Disturbing does not do it justice , its disgusting and cowardly. These same people would be begging to have their kid play with these kids on their off season teams then come on and rip the kids apart because they switched clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top kids from 2019-2021 left TG bye bye

What club did they go to? Did they have any top kids on 2021 - probably not a big loss.

No top kids from 2020 left. Losing 2 good players and 2 mediocre players. 2nd and 3 rd line types. 2 to YJ and 2 to legacy. Best players from last season still on team.

Agreed of the three that are rumored to be going to YJ Curcio on the one that played with the 2019 TG black team will have any impact, suspected new assistants kid is not as good as any starter on YJ Curcio and 3rd kid is borderline to even make team (of course excluding back door deals). Those are facts tow of the kids are mediocre at best other is a very good player.

I have no skin in the TG and YJ fight, just enjoy watching my daughter have fun playing the game she loves. It is disturbing that 7th grade girls that change teams are torn apart on this site by their former teammate's parents. It is really not necessary and I hope your daughter's are never subject to that level scrutiny.

Disturbing does not do it justice , its disgusting and cowardly. These same people would be begging to have their kid play with these kids on their off season teams then come on and rip the kids apart because they switched clubs.

This exists on many threads so this is not a shot at TG. Perhaps we can all raise the level of discussion. How do we collectively raise the level of all players on LI and have more girls irrespective of club and/or town play at the next level (or just have more fun at this level)?

Elevate rosters complete, lots of TG 18 girls. Best of luck, do well!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elevate rosters complete, lots of TG 18 girls. Best of luck, do well!

Are the new rosters posted?

They have rosters on their website. Not sure if they are the new teams. Funny how they boast about only 20 girls per team for recruiting years and they have at least 25 names on each team. Scouts won't see much when they play 4 minutes a half!

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

They have rosters on their website. Not sure if they are the new teams. Funny how they boast about only 20 girls per team for recruiting years and they have at least 25 names on each team. Scouts won't see much when they play 4 minutes a half!

Old rosters just looked those are last years teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elevate rosters complete, lots of TG 18 girls. Best of luck, do well!

Which elevate teams are the TG girls on blue or red

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

They have rosters on their website. Not sure if they are the new teams. Funny how they boast about only 20 girls per team for recruiting years and they have at least 25 names on each team. Scouts won't see much when they play 4 minutes a half!

Top Guns has 24 on team also, and you are spot on. Should not be more han 20 during recruiting years, no matter what color.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elevate rosters complete, lots of TG 18 girls. Best of luck, do well!

Which elevate teams are the TG girls on blue or red

You will see when they are posted. Tuition has to be paid by this weekend so I would think noth TG and Elevate will post rosters next week.

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

They have rosters on their website. Not sure if they are the new teams. Funny how they boast about only 20 girls per team for recruiting years and they have at least 25 names on each team. Scouts won't see much when they play 4 minutes a half!

Those are last years rosters BUT I will tell you that my daughters team has 23 kids on the roster. I am hoping the think is that 2 kids will turn down the invite and that will get them to 21 so I guess we will see how that plays out. You are correct as to what it says on the website.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

They have rosters on their website. Not sure if they are the new teams. Funny how they boast about only 20 girls per team for recruiting years and they have at least 25 names on each team. Scouts won't see much when they play 4 minutes a half!

Top Guns has 24 on team also, and you are spot on. Should not be more han 20 during recruiting years, no matter what color.

Agree - 21 with a goalie max, I thought elevate was doing 20 for recruiting age kids?

my daughters team had 24 and she had no problem being recruited. Most coaches only need 4 or 5 min to know if she could play for them or not

24 girls works if you have the right balance of girls. 11 on, 11 off and 2 goalies. It doesn't work when you have too few defenders and too many girls that only want to play offense, which happens a lot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elevate rosters complete, lots of TG 18 girls. Best of luck, do well!

Which elevate teams are the TG girls on blue or red

You will see when they are posted. Tuition has to be paid by this weekend so I would think noth TG and Elevate will post rosters next week.

TG probably won't post rosters for at least a few weeks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elevate rosters complete, lots of TG 18 girls. Best of luck, do well!

Which elevate teams are the TG girls on blue or red

You will see when they are posted. Tuition has to be paid by this weekend so I would think noth TG and Elevate will post rosters next week.

TG probably won't post rosters for at least a few weeks

They still have some house calls left to make so that will take some time

I would assume next week the latest. You either paid on Monday or moved on. Even if they are attempting to personally keep players how much time are they going to invest for a few players to stay?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elevate rosters complete, lots of TG 18 girls. Best of luck, do well!

Which elevate teams are the TG girls on blue or red

You will see when they are posted. Tuition has to be paid by this weekend so I would think noth TG and Elevate will post rosters next week.

TG probably won't post rosters for at least a few weeks

They still have some house calls left to make so that will take some time

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elevate rosters complete, lots of TG 18 girls. Best of luck, do well!

Which elevate teams are the TG girls on blue or red

You will see when they are posted. Tuition has to be paid by this weekend so I would think noth TG and Elevate will post rosters next week.

TG probably won't post rosters for at least a few weeks

I thi k Bill has had it and those who have not paid are out of luck. I predict he will post rosters early this year to make a point and respect those who did the right thing.

TG rosters probably won't come out until after the first 7 on 7 tournament at Hofstra on the 28th. Parents will suck up to BS by bringing their teams there, hoping for some last minute movement when girls go other places. BS knows this and it's a major score for both BS and SS. Drop off from Sept tourney to Oct tourney is huge!

In a desperate move to get TG kids to stay they will probably waive fees and let their parents be more involved as daddy coaches - don't be surprised what comes out of these visits.

Keep drinking the coolaide

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

TG rosters probably won't come out until after the first 7 on 7 tournament at Hofstra on the 28th. Parents will suck up to BS by bringing their teams there, hoping for some last minute movement when girls go other places. BS knows this and it's a major score for both BS and SS. Drop off from Sept tourney to Oct tourney is huge!

The mommy and daddy team tourneys where parents make their own teams and exclude other TG kids that should be included - that tourney?

If even half these rumors about who is leaving, house calls, daddy coaches etc. are true, it should turn out to be a positive for the club. The Smiths should take a hard look at the program and make the changes that are needed. (Hire better coaches, more training, more tourneys, put some $ back into the club, whatever). The program is only 5 or 6 years old at this point; all successful businesses go through ups and downs and need to make hard decisions when necessary. Did they get lazy when everyone wanted to be a TG and they had the pick of the best players? Maybe. Now it�s time to earn the $. The girls that stay will benefit from these corrections. If they fail to make these changes they will end up as a flash in the pan organization that had a few good years and ruined it all for the profit (a la Express). Only time will tell.. I paid my tuition btw.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elevate rosters complete, lots of TG 18 girls. Best of luck, do well!

TG and YJ players both left for Elevate. Interesting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If even half these rumors about who is leaving, house calls, daddy coaches etc. are true, it should turn out to be a positive for the club. The Smiths should take a hard look at the program and make the changes that are needed. (Hire better coaches, more training, more tourneys, put some $ back into the club, whatever). The program is only 5 or 6 years old at this point; all successful businesses go through ups and downs and need to make hard decisions when necessary. Did they get lazy when everyone wanted to be a TG and they had the pick of the best players? Maybe. Now it�s time to earn the $. The girls that stay will benefit from these corrections. If they fail to make these changes they will end up as a flash in the pan organization that had a few good years and ruined it all for the profit (a la Express). Only time will tell.. I paid my tuition btw.

That is where greed will get you

Exactly! Teams are put in to benefit coach's girl, so she can look better to the Smiths. It's happened in the past and it will happen again. As far as excluding certain girls, 12 girls max per roster and 25 Girls on each TG team. More than half can not play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If even half these rumors about who is leaving, house calls, daddy coaches etc. are true, it should turn out to be a positive for the club. The Smiths should take a hard look at the program and make the changes that are needed. (Hire better coaches, more training, more tourneys, put some $ back into the club, whatever). The program is only 5 or 6 years old at this point; all successful businesses go through ups and downs and need to make hard decisions when necessary. Did they get lazy when everyone wanted to be a TG and they had the pick of the best players? Maybe. Now it�s time to earn the $. The girls that stay will benefit from these corrections. If they fail to make these changes they will end up as a flash in the pan organization that had a few good years and ruined it all for the profit (a la Express). Only time will tell.. I paid my tuition btw.

When everyone wanted to be a TG , when was that ? What happened to all those top kids because you only have one descent team 2020 .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elevate rosters complete, lots of TG 18 girls. Best of luck, do well!

TG and YJ players both left for Elevate. Interesting.

Any YJ or TG who were on their top teams or B level and below only

from what team did the tg 18 girls leave from Black or Purple

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If even half these rumors about who is leaving, house calls, daddy coaches etc. are true, it should turn out to be a positive for the club. The Smiths should take a hard look at the program and make the changes that are needed. (Hire better coaches, more training, more tourneys, put some $ back into the club, whatever). The program is only 5 or 6 years old at this point; all successful businesses go through ups and downs and need to make hard decisions when necessary. Did they get lazy when everyone wanted to be a TG and they had the pick of the best players? Maybe. Now it�s time to earn the $. The girls that stay will benefit from these corrections. If they fail to make these changes they will end up as a flash in the pan organization that had a few good years and ruined it all for the profit (a la Express). Only time will tell.. I paid my tuition btw.

When everyone wanted to be a TG , when was that ? What happened to all those top kids because you only have one descent team 2020 .

They filled up two and at certain ages three 24 person rosters in 2 or three years.. thats when everyone wanted to be a TG.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If even half these rumors about who is leaving, house calls, daddy coaches etc. are true, it should turn out to be a positive for the club. The Smiths should take a hard look at the program and make the changes that are needed. (Hire better coaches, more training, more tourneys, put some $ back into the club, whatever). The program is only 5 or 6 years old at this point; all successful businesses go through ups and downs and need to make hard decisions when necessary. Did they get lazy when everyone wanted to be a TG and they had the pick of the best players? Maybe. Now its time to earn the $. The girls that stay will benefit from these corrections. If they fail to make these changes they will end up as a flash in the pan organization that had a few good years and ruined it all for the profit (a la Express). Only time will tell.. I paid my tuition btw.

When everyone wanted to be a TG , when was that ? What happened to all those top kids because you only have one descent team 2020 .

Who are you to judge all the TG teams? If they are not the best team on the east coast they aren't "descent"? My daughter has played TG for two years and all the girls are athletic, fun loving, happy girls. She loves being part of that team. SO go back to the couch and be your grumpy, judgmental, obnoxious self, and get off this page.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elevate rosters complete, lots of TG 18 girls. Best of luck, do well!

TG and YJ players both left for Elevate. Interesting.

Any YJ or TG who were on their top teams or B level and below only

Not quite accurate.......

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Exactly! Teams are put in to benefit coach's girl, so she can look better to the Smiths. It's happened in the past and it will happen again. As far as excluding certain girls, 12 girls max per roster and 25 Girls on each TG team. More than half can not play.

That is the TG way. Sounds like people are growing tired of all the BS - - and SS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If even half these rumors about who is leaving, house calls, daddy coaches etc. are true, it should turn out to be a positive for the club. The Smiths should take a hard look at the program and make the changes that are needed. (Hire better coaches, more training, more tourneys, put some $ back into the club, whatever). The program is only 5 or 6 years old at this point; all successful businesses go through ups and downs and need to make hard decisions when necessary. Did they get lazy when everyone wanted to be a TG and they had the pick of the best players? Maybe. Now its time to earn the $. The girls that stay will benefit from these corrections. If they fail to make these changes they will end up as a flash in the pan organization that had a few good years and ruined it all for the profit (a la Express). Only time will tell.. I paid my tuition btw.

When everyone wanted to be a TG , when was that ? What happened to all those top kids because you only have one descent team 2020 .

Who are you to judge all the TG teams? If they are not the best team on the east coast they aren't "descent"? My daughter has played TG for two years and all the girls are athletic, fun loving, happy girls. She loves being part of that team. SO go back to the couch and be your grumpy, judgmental, obnoxious self, and get off this page.

Pay these people no mind at all, they all have conspiracy theories and seem to think they know everything. I bet you their child is not even on a decent team. They probably leave this forum and go to YJ and all the others and spew the same garbage. It's usually jealous and unhappy people that make it their whole life to sit here and degrade clubs. Not sure why if they're not on TG, why they are so consumed with TG happenings. I'll tell you... The daughter most likely is not as good as the parent think or they got cut from TG. I can see why the daughter is no good, because the parent spends all day on BOTC bashing other clubs instead of taking the kid outside for wall ball and practice.

isn't the word spelled decent? LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Exactly! Teams are put in to benefit coach's girl, so she can look better to the Smiths. It's happened in the past and it will happen again. As far as excluding certain girls, 12 girls max per roster and 25 Girls on each TG team. More than half can not play.

That is the TG way. Sounds like people are growing tired of all the BS - - and SS.

No we're actually tired of the sewer rats like you that come on this page and talk nonsense. Go back into your hole.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

isn't the word spelled decent? LOL

Oh be quiet...Glad you learned something in the trailer park to be on here criticizing someones spelling

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elevate rosters complete, lots of TG 18 girls. Best of luck, do well!

Which elevate teams are the TG girls on blue or red

You will see when they are posted. Tuition has to be paid by this weekend so I would think noth TG and Elevate will post rosters next week.

TG probably won't post rosters for at least a few weeks

They still have some house calls left to make so that will take some time

Westhampton I don't think so

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If even half these rumors about who is leaving, house calls, daddy coaches etc. are true, it should turn out to be a positive for the club. The Smiths should take a hard look at the program and make the changes that are needed. (Hire better coaches, more training, more tourneys, put some $ back into the club, whatever). The program is only 5 or 6 years old at this point; all successful businesses go through ups and downs and need to make hard decisions when necessary. Did they get lazy when everyone wanted to be a TG and they had the pick of the best players? Maybe. Now it�s time to earn the $. The girls that stay will benefit from these corrections. If they fail to make these changes they will end up as a flash in the pan organization that had a few good years and ruined it all for the profit (a la Express). Only time will tell.. I paid my tuition btw.

When everyone wanted to be a TG , when was that ? What happened to all those top kids because you only have one descent team 2020 .

They filled up two and at certain ages three 24 person rosters in 2 or three years.. thats when everyone wanted to be a TG.

So with that logic even more than everyone wanted to play for YJ , what do they have 4-5 teams per age.

Spelling and grammar too . . . . someone's

Can any TG parent tell me how the 7v7 are organized? First time doing it.

Thank god no west hampton

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

They have rosters on their website. Not sure if they are the new teams. Funny how they boast about only 20 girls per team for recruiting years and they have at least 25 names on each team. Scouts won't see much when they play 4 minutes a half!

College recruiters will see enough when they see all those insane parents on elevate sideline

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If even half these rumors about who is leaving, house calls, daddy coaches etc. are true, it should turn out to be a positive for the club. The Smiths should take a hard look at the program and make the changes that are needed. (Hire better coaches, more training, more tourneys, put some $ back into the club, whatever). The program is only 5 or 6 years old at this point; all successful businesses go through ups and downs and need to make hard decisions when necessary. Did they get lazy when everyone wanted to be a TG and they had the pick of the best players? Maybe. Now it�s time to earn the $. The girls that stay will benefit from these corrections. If they fail to make these changes they will end up as a flash in the pan organization that had a few good years and ruined it all for the profit (a la Express). Only time will tell.. I paid my tuition btw.

When everyone wanted to be a TG , when was that ? What happened to all those top kids because you only have one descent team 2020 .

They filled up two and at certain ages three 24 person rosters in 2 or three years.. thats when everyone wanted to be a TG.

So with that logic even more than everyone wanted to play for YJ , what do they have 4-5 teams per age.

Been through this a million times - yj tryputs are last! anyone who is left that didn't make an A team somwhere else is stuck with yj, it's a great business model, but not great for the consumer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank god no west hampton

unhealthy obsession

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If even half these rumors about who is leaving, house calls, daddy coaches etc. are true, it should turn out to be a positive for the club. The Smiths should take a hard look at the program and make the changes that are needed. (Hire better coaches, more training, more tourneys, put some $ back into the club, whatever). The program is only 5 or 6 years old at this point; all successful businesses go through ups and downs and need to make hard decisions when necessary. Did they get lazy when everyone wanted to be a TG and they had the pick of the best players? Maybe. Now its time to earn the $. The girls that stay will benefit from these corrections. If they fail to make these changes they will end up as a flash in the pan organization that had a few good years and ruined it all for the profit (a la Express). Only time will tell.. I paid my tuition btw.

When everyone wanted to be a TG , when was that ? What happened to all those top kids because you only have one descent team 2020 .

Who are you to judge all the TG teams? If they are not the best team on the east coast they aren't "descent"? My daughter has played TG for two years and all the girls are athletic, fun loving, happy girls. She loves being part of that team. SO go back to the couch and be your grumpy, judgmental, obnoxious self, and get off this page.

Pay these people no mind at all, they all have conspiracy theories and seem to think they know everything. I bet you their child is not even on a decent team. They probably leave this forum and go to YJ and all the others and spew the same garbage. It's usually jealous and unhappy people that make it their whole life to sit here and degrade clubs. Not sure why if they're not on TG, why they are so consumed with TG happenings. I'll tell you... The daughter most likely is not as good as the parent think or they got cut from TG. I can see why the daughter is no good, because the parent spends all day on BOTC bashing other clubs instead of taking the kid outside for wall ball and practice.

Well said! Stick together TG, and ignore these idiots! If your daughter is enjoying the experience, that's ALL THAT MATTERS!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can any TG parent tell me how the 7v7 are organized? First time doing it.

Hurry up and buddy up with a daddy coach so your daughter doesn't get left out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If even half these rumors about who is leaving, house calls, daddy coaches etc. are true, it should turn out to be a positive for the club. The Smiths should take a hard look at the program and make the changes that are needed. (Hire better coaches, more training, more tourneys, put some $ back into the club, whatever). The program is only 5 or 6 years old at this point; all successful businesses go through ups and downs and need to make hard decisions when necessary. Did they get lazy when everyone wanted to be a TG and they had the pick of the best players? Maybe. Now it�s time to earn the $. The girls that stay will benefit from these corrections. If they fail to make these changes they will end up as a flash in the pan organization that had a few good years and ruined it all for the profit (a la Express). Only time will tell.. I paid my tuition btw.

When everyone wanted to be a TG , when was that ? What happened to all those top kids because you only have one descent team 2020 .

They filled up two and at certain ages three 24 person rosters in 2 or three years.. thats when everyone wanted to be a TG.

So with that logic even more than everyone wanted to play for YJ , what do they have 4-5 teams per age.

Been through this a million times - yj tryputs are last! anyone who is left that didn't make an A team somwhere else is stuck with yj, it's a great business model, but not great for the consumer

By definition, somebody has to be first and somebody last, consumer has the same options regardless of order. Consumers who are not realistic and unwilling to make a decision get what they deserve.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

isn't the word spelled decent? LOL

He must have been talking about TG descent into obscurity . LOL. Seriously how many TG black players have left in the 2019 2020 age groups. Seems as if it will be at least 10 , that does not bode well for their future. Honestly what did they expect, as a top team player what is the advantage over YJ. YJ has better coaching, cannot be argued at this point, YJ has better college connections ,cannot be argued. My kid was 3 team YJ and we left for greener pastures but if you are a top level player why stay at TG, what do they offer? Seems like TG was started with anti establishment types which will eventually fail as people realize the organization is no different than any other except for the advantages.

This forum was missing, seems like they moved it.

There are no advantages being on top guns. BS is a classless individual that never played a sport in his life. SS walks around and doesnt say anything to anyone. TG parents and players you do not know what your missing. This behavior, politics and excepting bribes is not acceptable and does not happen everywhere. Get out while you can.

Hey Fellow TG's. Someone asked earlier but no one answered. New to TG and would like to know the format of the 7 v 7 tourney at Hofstra. Do we get pinneys for those that don't have uniforms? or do TG gives us uniforms. Is it an all day Tourney..Some feedback would be helpful for us new folks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Fellow TG's. Someone asked earlier but no one answered. New to TG and would like to know the format of the 7 v 7 tourney at Hofstra. Do we get pinneys for those that don't have uniforms? or do TG gives us uniforms. Is it an all day Tourney..Some feedback would be helpful for us new folks.

Waste of money, you are better of spending the day with your family. Nobody attends, that's why nobody answered. Spend your money on a college camp or clinic, not this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are no advantages being on top guns. BS is a classless individual that never played a sport in his life. SS walks around and doesnt say anything to anyone. TG parents and players you do not know what your missing. This behavior, politics and excepting bribes is not acceptable and does not happen everywhere. Get out while you can.

Wow, Someone just get's on the forum and randomly goes into hating on TG. You sure have a lot of anger towards to TG. No need to come on here being negative as long as you are happy where you are, that's all that matters. You have got to find a way to get over this obsession.. Seek therapy, talk it out if you must, but you have to let it go now. It's not healthy for you to be this angry and hateful towards a girls lacrosse club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Fellow TG's. Someone asked earlier but no one answered. New to TG and would like to know the format of the 7 v 7 tourney at Hofstra. Do we get pinneys for those that don't have uniforms? or do TG gives us uniforms. Is it an all day Tourney..Some feedback would be helpful for us new folks.

Waste of money, you are better of spending the day with your family. Nobody attends, that's why nobody answered. Spend your money on a college camp or clinic, not this.

You people are so negative

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are no advantages being on top guns. BS is a classless individual that never played a sport in his life. SS walks around and doesnt say anything to anyone. TG parents and players you do not know what your missing. This behavior, politics and excepting bribes is not acceptable and does not happen everywhere. Get out while you can.

Guessing your daughter didn't make the cut. Better luck next year!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are no advantages being on top guns. BS is a classless individual that never played a sport in his life. SS walks around and doesnt say anything to anyone. TG parents and players you do not know what your missing. This behavior, politics and excepting bribes is not acceptable and does not happen everywhere. Get out while you can.

Wow, Someone just get's on the forum and randomly goes into hating on TG. You sure have a lot of anger towards to TG. No need to come on here being negative as long as you are happy where you are, that's all that matters. You have got to find a way to get over this obsession.. Seek therapy, talk it out if you must, but you have to let it go now. It's not healthy for you to be this angry and hateful towards a girls lacrosse club.

Unfortunately the only one classless is you...I am so sorry something happened to your daughter when she played on TG...enjoy your time with YJ but most of all enjoy the time with your daughter. Good luck to her in her future...she is going to need it with you as a parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Fellow TG's. Someone asked earlier but no one answered. New to TG and would like to know the format of the 7 v 7 tourney at Hofstra. Do we get pinneys for those that don't have uniforms? or do TG gives us uniforms. Is it an all day Tourney..Some feedback would be helpful for us new folks.

Waste of money, you are better of spending the day with your family. Nobody attends, that's why nobody answered. Spend your money on a college camp or clinic, not this.

Don't listen to that clown. The 7v7 tournaments are fun with good competition. If you replied yes to the email your daughter will be placed on a team with other TG girls from her age group. Some teams will be coached by "daddy" coaches that offer to help. Most will be coached by Hofstra players. Teams come from upstate to play . Games will start early 8-9am ish and you will have 25 min games scheduled to early afternoon sometimes 6 or more games. Call BS about a pinnie I am sure he will get one for her.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are no advantages being on top guns. BS is a classless individual that never played a sport in his life. SS walks around and doesnt say anything to anyone. TG parents and players you do not know what your missing. This behavior, politics and excepting bribes is not acceptable and does not happen everywhere. Get out while you can.

If your club is better and you are happy. why waste your time posting this crap? If you're happy and you know it just move on already. misery loves company and you my friend are looking for someone to join your bandwagon. Contrary to what you say alot of people are happy on TG. may not be perfect but it works for some and not others. more than enough clubs out there. find your perfect club and go off and be happy and leave us alone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Fellow TG's. Someone asked earlier but no one answered. New to TG and would like to know the format of the 7 v 7 tourney at Hofstra. Do we get pinneys for those that don't have uniforms? or do TG gives us uniforms. Is it an all day Tourney..Some feedback would be helpful for us new folks.

Waste of money, you are better of spending the day with your family. Nobody attends, that's why nobody answered. Spend your money on a college camp or clinic, not this.

Don't listen to that clown. The 7v7 tournaments are fun with good competition. If you replied yes to the email your daughter will be placed on a team with other TG girls from her age group. Some teams will be coached by "daddy" coaches that offer to help. Most will be coached by Hofstra players. Teams come from upstate to play . Games will start early 8-9am ish and you will have 25 min games scheduled to early afternoon sometimes 6 or more games. Call BS about a pinnie I am sure he will get one for her.

Thank you

I did not see anywhere in this persons post that their daughter was a college bound athlete, so why would you say waste of time go to college camp or clinic ? Truth is that if you are looking for a day of lax this is as good as any other 7 v 7. Answer is bring a Linnie just in case.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Fellow TG's. Someone asked earlier but no one answered. New to TG and would like to know the format of the 7 v 7 tourney at Hofstra. Do we get pinneys for those that don't have uniforms? or do TG gives us uniforms. Is it an all day Tourney..Some feedback would be helpful for us new folks.

This will be our 3rd year, and we like the 7v7's. Good way to get some of the girls together in a less competitive environment, and we had light roster both years, so tons of playing time. Usually girls from black and purple mixed which is different. The first year was the most important, because our daughter got to meet some of her teammates. I'd say do it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are no advantages being on top guns. BS is a classless individual that never played a sport in his life. SS walks around and doesnt say anything to anyone. TG parents and players you do not know what your missing. This behavior, politics and excepting bribes is not acceptable and does not happen everywhere. Get out while you can.

Wow, Someone just get's on the forum and randomly goes into hating on TG. You sure have a lot of anger towards to TG. No need to come on here being negative as long as you are happy where you are, that's all that matters. You have got to find a way to get over this obsession.. Seek therapy, talk it out if you must, but you have to let it go now. It's not healthy for you to be this angry and hateful towards a girls lacrosse club.

Unfortunately the only one classless is you...I am so sorry something happened to your daughter when she played on TG...enjoy your time with YJ but most of all enjoy the time with your daughter. Good luck to her in her future...she is going to need it with you as a parent

You're right. She sure is going to need all the help she can get with this parent!!!! Poor kid....

While that person seemed overly angry no one denied anything he was saying. What are the advantages of TG over other clubs , I get it if you live near where they practice , what else?

No sorry have to agree with the poster above. She is right... BS and SS have done alot of damage to some players and the TG organization is very selfish. Unfortunately, they make themselves look bad in front of the lacrosse community and that is why they are loosing players, because they don't treat parents and players with respect. The club is poorly run. Cheap (not even a tent), BS is rude in conversation. His daughter ignores the teams and players. He makes promises he doesn't keep.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While that person seemed overly angry no one denied anything he was saying. What are the advantages of TG over other clubs , I get it if you live near where they practice , what else?

No one is going to reply to you simply because there is nothing to prove to you or anyone. We don't have to tell you anything or step into the gutter with you all.. If you were a TG you would know and have all the answers you seek. This country is the land of the free, we are free to choose where our daughters play Lax. We do not have to be the majority and run to YJ. We are fine right where we are. Since there are so many disadvantages in your eyes, then stay right where you are and just be happy there.

Amen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While that person seemed overly angry no one denied anything he was saying. What are the advantages of TG over other clubs , I get it if you live near where they practice , what else?

No one is going to reply to you simply because there is nothing to prove to you or anyone. We don't have to tell you anything or step into the gutter with you all.. If you were a TG you would know and have all the answers you seek. This country is the land of the free, we are free to choose where our daughters play Lax. We do not have to be the majority and run to YJ. We are fine right where we are. Since there are so many disadvantages in your eyes, then stay right where you are and just be happy there.

Great reply! Thank you from another happy TG parent!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I did not see anywhere in this persons post that their daughter was a college bound athlete, so why would you say waste of time go to college camp or clinic ? Truth is that if you are looking for a day of lax this is as good as any other 7 v 7. Answer is bring a Linnie just in case.

You do not have to be a "college bound athlete" to attend a camp or clinic. Perhaps you have not yet been able to view any of the opportunities that colleges offer in the fall for ALL AGE GROUPS. It is a wonderful way to take advantage of stick skills and training. The End.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While that person seemed overly angry no one denied anything he was saying. What are the advantages of TG over other clubs , I get it if you live near where they practice , what else?

No one is going to reply to you simply because there is nothing to prove to you or anyone. We don't have to tell you anything or step into the gutter with you all.. If you were a TG you would know and have all the answers you seek. This country is the land of the free, we are free to choose where our daughters play Lax. We do not have to be the majority and run to YJ. We are fine right where we are. Since there are so many disadvantages in your eyes, then stay right where you are and just be happy there.

No one is going to reply because they can't think of an advantage. Not going to step in the gutter so funny coming from a person who plays for BS . Thanks for proving the earlier poster correct who said TG is full of the anti establishment type , no reasons as to why they joined just so long as it was not YJ . I did find the advantage , you get to go to Hofstra , awesome .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While that person seemed overly angry no one denied anything he was saying. What are the advantages of TG over other clubs , I get it if you live near where they practice , what else?

Why do you worry so much about TG. Your obsession is not healthy. TG has been around for five short years. Stop trying to compare TG to other clubs.....unless you are worried that they might beat your daughters team .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While that person seemed overly angry no one denied anything he was saying. What are the advantages of TG over other clubs , I get it if you live near where they practice , what else?

No one is going to reply to you simply because there is nothing to prove to you or anyone. We don't have to tell you anything or step into the gutter with you all.. If you were a TG you would know and have all the answers you seek. This country is the land of the free, we are free to choose where our daughters play Lax. We do not have to be the majority and run to YJ. We are fine right where we are. Since there are so many disadvantages in your eyes, then stay right where you are and just be happy there.

No one is going to reply because they can't think of an advantage. Not going to step in the gutter so funny coming from a person who plays for BS . Thanks for proving the earlier poster correct who said TG is full of the anti establishment type , no reasons as to why they joined just so long as it was not YJ . I did find the advantage , you get to go to Hofstra , awesome .

We're trying to stop going back and forth with jackasses like you. Obviously, we have our reasons or we wouldn't be with TG. We don't need to explain or justify anything to you. Just go away, and be somebody else's problem. I feel bad for your poor daughter, and hope she succeeds in spite of you...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I did not see anywhere in this persons post that their daughter was a college bound athlete, so why would you say waste of time go to college camp or clinic ? Truth is that if you are looking for a day of lax this is as good as any other 7 v 7. Answer is bring a Linnie just in case.

You do not have to be a "college bound athlete" to attend a camp or clinic. Perhaps you have not yet been able to view any of the opportunities that colleges offer in the fall for ALL AGE GROUPS. It is a wonderful way to take advantage of stick skills and training. The End.

Quite the contrary my older daughter is a committed player and I am well versed in what colleges offer for all ages. The posters question was more about the mechanics of the 7 V 7 as opposed to if it was a waste of time or money. fall tournaments are for the kids to play and use the skills you may have learned at a clinic or camp

TG website not working? Any idea whats going on?

I was at the Hofstra tournament and happened to be watching the 2018 purple v white game with a friend who's daughter is on white. When BS walked past the parents of the white to go help the coach of the purple, the parents went nuts. Definitely a classless move. You CAN NOT choose sides when it comes to two of your teams playing each other. Many parents approached him to ask what he was doing and he basically blew them off. I can guess that this is one of the reasons kids are leaving.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG website not working? Any idea whats going on?

Website's working

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While that person seemed overly angry no one denied anything he was saying. What are the advantages of TG over other clubs , I get it if you live near where they practice , what else?

No one is going to reply to you simply because there is nothing to prove to you or anyone. We don't have to tell you anything or step into the gutter with you all.. If you were a TG you would know and have all the answers you seek. This country is the land of the free, we are free to choose where our daughters play Lax. We do not have to be the majority and run to YJ. We are fine right where we are. Since there are so many disadvantages in your eyes, then stay right where you are and just be happy there.

No one is going to reply because they can't think of an advantage. Not going to step in the gutter so funny coming from a person who plays for BS . Thanks for proving the earlier poster correct who said TG is full of the anti establishment type , no reasons as to why they joined just so long as it was not YJ . I did find the advantage , you get to go to Hofstra , awesome .

We're trying to stop going back and forth with jackasses like you. Obviously, we have our reasons or we wouldn't be with TG. We don't need to explain or justify anything to you. Just go away, and be somebody else's problem. I feel bad for your poor daughter, and hope she succeeds in spite of you...

You are trying to stop going back and forth yet you respond anyway,seems to make you are a bit of a child .Have not been the one with the aggressive attacks against TG and actually have the opportunity to play TG and I was hoping to hear some of the positives about the club from actual parents with kids playing but apparently the good things about the club are kept secret.B Before you all make the good luck at YJ obnoxious comments it does seem a lot of TG at younger ages have left, any ideas as to why.

Just one of many classless moves by BS!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While that person seemed overly angry no one denied anything he was saying. What are the advantages of TG over other clubs , I get it if you live near where they practice , what else?

No one is going to reply to you simply because there is nothing to prove to you or anyone. We don't have to tell you anything or step into the gutter with you all.. If you were a TG you would know and have all the answers you seek. This country is the land of the free, we are free to choose where our daughters play Lax. We do not have to be the majority and run to YJ. We are fine right where we are. Since there are so many disadvantages in your eyes, then stay right where you are and just be happy there.

No one is going to reply because they can't think of an advantage. Not going to step in the gutter so funny coming from a person who plays for BS . Thanks for proving the earlier poster correct who said TG is full of the anti establishment type , no reasons as to why they joined just so long as it was not YJ . I did find the advantage , you get to go to Hofstra , awesome .

We're trying to stop going back and forth with jackasses like you. Obviously, we have our reasons or we wouldn't be with TG. We don't need to explain or justify anything to you. Just go away, and be somebody else's problem. I feel bad for your poor daughter, and hope she succeeds in spite of you...

You are trying to stop going back and forth yet you respond anyway,seems to make you are a bit of a child .Have not been the one with the aggressive attacks against TG and actually have the opportunity to play TG and I was hoping to hear some of the positives about the club from actual parents with kids playing but apparently the good things about the club are kept secret.B Before you all make the good luck at YJ obnoxious comments it does seem a lot of TG at younger ages have left, any ideas as to why.

Rosters aren't even out yet.. but everyone seems to know everything. Why are you so worried about who left TG or who stayed? I'm sure who left have been replaced. Life goes on, people leave situations all the time i.e Jobs, Relationships, Schools etc. What works for some may not work for others. No one expects kids to stay on a team/club or situation for the rest of their lives. Change is good in some instances. let's all just see how everything plays out. There is more to life than what club is better, what club has 5 teams, what club has kids leaving.

My TG Family.. please ignore these people that come on here and post nonsense all the time. Let's use this forum for positive, and not engage in any of this useless tit for tat. These people are not happy hence the need to for all the negativity. Maybe if we ignore them, They will go away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While that person seemed overly angry no one denied anything he was saying. What are the advantages of TG over other clubs , I get it if you live near where they practice , what else?

No one is going to reply to you simply because there is nothing to prove to you or anyone. We don't have to tell you anything or step into the gutter with you all.. If you were a TG you would know and have all the answers you seek. This country is the land of the free, we are free to choose where our daughters play Lax. We do not have to be the majority and run to YJ. We are fine right where we are. Since there are so many disadvantages in your eyes, then stay right where you are and just be happy there.

No one is going to reply because they can't think of an advantage. Not going to step in the gutter so funny coming from a person who plays for BS . Thanks for proving the earlier poster correct who said TG is full of the anti establishment type , no reasons as to why they joined just so long as it was not YJ . I did find the advantage , you get to go to Hofstra , awesome .

We're trying to stop going back and forth with jackasses like you. Obviously, we have our reasons or we wouldn't be with TG. We don't need to explain or justify anything to you. Just go away, and be somebody else's problem. I feel bad for your poor daughter, and hope she succeeds in spite of you...

You are trying to stop going back and forth yet you respond anyway,seems to make you are a bit of a child .Have not been the one with the aggressive attacks against TG and actually have the opportunity to play TG and I was hoping to hear some of the positives about the club from actual parents with kids playing but apparently the good things about the club are kept secret.B Before you all make the good luck at YJ obnoxious comments it does seem a lot of TG at younger ages have left, any ideas as to why.

I was simply responding to let that person know that I'm not going to give the advantages, so he/she can dispute them, and then we start going back & forth, for no reason. Good luck at YJ! LOL!!

GET A JOB! Your pathetic if you expose you child to tg organization. SS was a Yj she should have taken notes...

"Rosters aren't even out yet.. but everyone seems to know everything. Why are you so worried about who left TG or who stayed? I'm sure who left have been replaced. Life goes on, people leave situations all the time i.e Jobs, Relationships, Schools etc. What works for some may not work for others. No one expects kids to stay on a team/club or situation for the rest of their lives. Change is good in some instances. let's all just see how everything plays out. There is more to life than what club is better, what club has 5 teams, what club has kids leaving."

You people are very dense , was not asking who left as I am not really familiar with many travel kids , I was asking if anyone knew why they left and also was wondering what positives people feel as to why would someone play TG. What makes TG a club you should join when there are a lot of options out there? What differentiates it from other clubs? If all clubs are equal then why not play for the least expensive one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

GET A JOB! Your pathetic if you expose you child to tg organization. SS was a Yj she should have taken notes...

HATER!! Better luck making the team next year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

GET A JOB! Your pathetic if you expose you child to tg organization. SS was a Yj she should have taken notes...

Now that you got that off your chest..now where do we go from here? Do you feel better?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I did not see anywhere in this persons post that their daughter was a college bound athlete, so why would you say waste of time go to college camp or clinic ? Truth is that if you are looking for a day of lax this is as good as any other 7 v 7. Answer is bring a Linnie just in case.

You do not have to be a "college bound athlete" to attend a camp or clinic. Perhaps you have not yet been able to view any of the opportunities that colleges offer in the fall for ALL AGE GROUPS. It is a wonderful way to take advantage of stick skills and training. The End.

Quite the contrary my older daughter is a committed player and I am well versed in what colleges offer for all ages. The posters question was more about the mechanics of the 7 V 7 as opposed to if it was a waste of time or money. fall tournaments are for the kids to play and use the skills you may have learned at a clinic or camp

#82969 - Yesterday at 03:51 PM Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse [Re: Powderfinger]
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Hey Fellow TG's. Someone asked earlier but no one answered. New to TG and would like to know the format of the 7 v 7 tourney at Hofstra. Do we get pinneys for those that don't have uniforms? or do TG gives us uniforms. Is it an all day Tourney..Some feedback would be helpful for us new folks.

The mechanis of 7v7??? Where the [lacrosse] do you see that question?? Why so defensive? So someone hought the Hofstra 7v7 wasn't worth wasting the day or money, no need to bring your alleged "D1 committed" daughter into it. What kind of dog do you own? Oh wait- nobody cares!

Nothing to hate, except the way the smiths conduct themselves... Actually very blessed in my life not like you!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nothing to hate, except the way the smiths conduct themselves... Actually very blessed in my life not like you!!!

If so blessed, why so worried about 2 individuals that aren't worried about you????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nothing to hate, except the way the smiths conduct themselves... Actually very blessed in my life not like you!!!

You sound like a baby who didn't get their way

If you only knew! You are pathetic like stated above

a Boxer

WHAT?? BOXER? YOUR OBVIOUSLY NOT SO SMART. KEEP KISSING THE SMITHS [lacrosse]'S AND YOU WILL GET FAR OVER AND OUT LOSER.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you only knew! You are pathetic like stated above

Last reply to you loser, It was fun playing school yard bully with you, but now i'm bored. Off I go to have meaningful adult conversation and enjoy my weekend...Have a great weekend TG Hater. Don't have too many "OOOH I hate TG and everything associated" nightmares and get on here Monday with the same dry lines. Actually get of the forum and go outside and play 1v1 with your daughter, do some yard work, I heard that relieves stress. Have a few drinks, do something with a purpose and you'll see how much better you feel.

Whoever wrote this above statement sounds so stupid. Grow up. Someone is aloud to speak how they feel it's freedom of speech. Sounds like she was hitting the bottle while writing.

This person that's talking school yard bullying is a sick person. Someone stated earlier about the Hofstra tournament I heard the same thing. BS seems to create animosity between teams. Before you talk nonsense read what people are writing. You really don't sound too intelligent.

Ok this past summer was our first experience with tg. I've read a ton of posts on here. As far as selecting kids by daddy coaches I know that everyone was asked to play 7v7 tournament. Not everyone can commit due to other sportts. My point is WHO CARES. If you're not happy then leave. If your daughter doesn't play tg then leave. You all sound like children. There are crazy parents and [lacrosse] coaches in every club. Find the one where you fit in and leave it at that. 350 pages of ridiculous back and forth name calling and chest beating is exhausting.

If you don't care then get off the forum. Obviously you do waste your energy on something else but don't criticize people when your doing the same thing. Grow up and good luck with tg your going to need it from the 350 pages of posts that you read to exhaust you. I would be to if I read all posts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you don't care then get off the forum. Obviously you do waste your energy on something else but don't criticize people when your doing the same thing. Grow up and good luck with tg your going to need it from the 350 pages of posts that you read to exhaust you. I would be to if I read all posts.

I hope you're not with YJ then, because based on your logic that number of pages on a thread equals dysfunction then YJ is worse that TG because YJ has 453 pages.

Bottom line, there's drama and dissatisfaction in every club, as well as triumph, defeat, and satisfaction. Pick your poison.

When will rosters be posted? Pay date is now past.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When will rosters be posted? Pay date is now past.

Probably another week or two

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When will rosters be posted? Pay date is now past.

The first few years rosters were out early, last couple years they have come out after winter sessions and right before spring practices. The less information the public has the less headaches for BS to deal with. Top players missing from rosters, undeserving girls moved up. Why give fuel to the uproar so it can fester all winter long?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]When will rosters be posted? Pay date is now past.

Probably another week or two [/quote
They still have spots open, especially on White as a lot of people turned them down so they dont want to post rosters where they have only 8 kids on a team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When will rosters be posted? Pay date is now past.

The first few years rosters were out early, last couple years they have come out after winter sessions and right before spring practices. The less information the public has the less headaches for BS to deal with. Top players missing from rosters, undeserving girls moved up. Why give fuel to the uproar so it can fester all winter long?

Wah Wah my daughter did not make a team, but I want to complain about who did

You sound like a moron. Nothing to do with making the team. He obviously can't even get enough kids die white team. Maybe your daughter was one of many undeserving players that got moved up or perhaps you bought him a gift certificate to his favorite steak house. Please understand people do NOT want to be associated with him or his shady business. My daughter could make his team with a broken arm and an eye patch. Wah wah to you haven't heard that one since I was 5.

Your daughter doesn't have a broken arm or eye patch but she probably has ear plugs with a parent like you. Go back to YJ and shut up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You sound like a moron. Nothing to do with making the team. He obviously can't even get enough kids die white team. Maybe your daughter was one of many undeserving players that got moved up or perhaps you bought him a gift certificate to his favorite steak house. Please understand people do NOT want to be associated with him or his shady business. My daughter could make his team with a broken arm and an eye patch. Wah wah to you haven't heard that one since I was 5.

So says the anonymous poster. get a life!

Rosters will be posted when he's ready to post them. He NEVER stated a date, and nobody knows who will be coaching teams. Things take time..

Is the TG 7v7 Hofstra tournament an all day affair? Do the girls get lunch together?

She needs earplugs so she doesn't have yo listen to the tg parents sobbing and yelling on the sidelines. I pitty you.

Whah Whah can't wait to see you on the field I'll know it's you when your crying .Whah Whah because your daughter only played two minutes of a game with 30 players on the roster ok a Lille exaggerated 28 when Shannon smith driving in her golf cart. I can see it now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whah Whah can't wait to see you on the field I'll know it's you when your crying .Whah Whah because your daughter only played two minutes of a game with 30 players on the roster ok a Lille exaggerated 28 when Shannon smith driving in her golf cart. I can see it now.

westhampton?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whah Whah can't wait to see you on the field I'll know it's you when your crying .Whah Whah because your daughter only played two minutes of a game with 30 players on the roster ok a Lille exaggerated 28 when Shannon smith driving in her golf cart. I can see it now.

westhampton?

What's the deal with this Westhampton person? I keep seeing Westhampton on this forum but have no idea what or who it pertains to, or what happened in that situation. enlighten us please, so we can all understand why they come here everyday and talk the same crap over and over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whah Whah can't wait to see you on the field I'll know it's you when your crying .Whah Whah because your daughter only played two minutes of a game with 30 players on the roster ok a Lille exaggerated 28 when Shannon smith driving in her golf cart. I can see it now.

westhampton?

What's the deal with this Westhampton person? I keep seeing Westhampton on this forum but have no idea what or who it pertains to, or what happened in that situation. enlighten us please, so we can all understand why they come here everyday and talk the same crap over and over.

Someone is obsessed, it is uncomfortable, creepy, unhealthy, etc..... Let it go, maybe seek some help.

Its a reference to a former TG dad that left a couple of years ago. He is constantly on TG thread bashing SS and TG.

Good for him. Less work for everyone else. If he got burned by those creeps he can do as he pleases. BS should not be aloud to work with children he is ruining their self confidence and in a business sense how to cheat. No one will understand until they experience it for themselves and believe me they will because BS and SS are the same. They forgot where they came from. Take care of oeiple fairly and no one can say anything. Like say bring it on expose them and their behavior as much as possible so everyone doesn't have to endure the SMITH rath.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good for him. Less work for everyone else. If he got burned by those creeps he can do as he pleases. BS should not be aloud to work with children he is ruining their self confidence and in a business sense how to cheat. No one will understand until they experience it for themselves and believe me they will because BS and SS are the same. They forgot where they came from. Take care of oeiple fairly and no one can say anything. Like say bring it on expose them and their behavior as much as possible so everyone doesn't have to endure the SMITH rath.

It is really hard to take you seriously when everything within this rant is incoherent.

It's the way the computer translates it genius is that spelled right for you. You get what you deserve. Your obnoxious just like them. I will be on just like that individual to make sure everyone knows about their unforgiving actions. Bye now must get back to court.

Look up the word incoherent Einstein. No wonder why your smith advocates

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good for him. Less work for everyone else. If he got burned by those creeps he can do as he pleases. BS should not be aloud to work with children he is ruining their self confidence and in a business sense how to cheat. No one will understand until they experience it for themselves and believe me they will because BS and SS are the same. They forgot where they came from. Take care of oeiple fairly and no one can say anything. Like say bring it on expose them and their behavior as much as possible so everyone doesn't have to endure the SMITH rath.

I am sorry to hear your daughter was moved off of a TG team. Don't stress over it. If she is as talented as you think she will make one of the other top clubs A teams. If she doesn't make it maybe the Smith assessment of her was correct

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good for him. Less work for everyone else. If he got burned by those creeps he can do as he pleases. BS should not be aloud to work with children he is ruining their self confidence and in a business sense how to cheat. No one will understand until they experience it for themselves and believe me they will because BS and SS are the same. They forgot where they came from. Take care of oeiple fairly and no one can say anything. Like say bring it on expose them and their behavior as much as possible so everyone doesn't have to endure the SMITH rath.

They've been great to us and have always been fair. Sometimes the truth hurts and pisses people off.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good for him. Less work for everyone else. If he got burned by those creeps he can do as he pleases. BS should not be aloud to work with children he is ruining their self confidence and in a business sense how to cheat. No one will understand until they experience it for themselves and believe me they will because BS and SS are the same. They forgot where they came from. Take care of oeiple fairly and no one can say anything. Like say bring it on expose them and their behavior as much as possible so everyone doesn't have to endure the SMITH rath.

Ok we get it.. you got burned.. Don't you think it's time to move on?? No one really cares

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good for him. Less work for everyone else. If he got burned by those creeps he can do as he pleases. BS should not be aloud to work with children he is ruining their self confidence and in a business sense how to cheat. No one will understand until they experience it for themselves and believe me they will because BS and SS are the same. They forgot where they came from. Take care of oeiple fairly and no one can say anything. Like say bring it on expose them and their behavior as much as possible so everyone doesn't have to endure the SMITH rath.

This person doesn't seem to have their screws on right.. Get some help! It really isn't that serious. Find another team for your daughter and just be happy.. That is all.

No I didn't Einstein would not let him but oh boy he tried. And no I will not move on if I can stop someone else from getting hurst by him obviously not you because you are a selfish snot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No I didn't Einstein would not let him but oh boy he tried. And no I will not move on if I can stop someone else from getting hurst by him obviously not you because you are a selfish snot

Wow dude/dudette this is really not healthy. As you can see no one really cares, we are all just reading your hateful, name calling messages and shaking our heads at your behavior. Maybe if no one replies to you when you spew your venom, you will really realize that you're looking really crazy out there. We all know it hurts, but you must find away to find your happiness.. Try yellow Jackets or elevate. One teams loss may be another teams treasure.. Good luck to you.

She didn't burned lowlife she's not aloud to as per her parents and yes we're on an A team and yes we kick your [lacrosse] every opportunity we get. It's a shame we'll never play your team sounds for sure that BS has her on his finest c team. This is just payback for bill smith. That's all it is stop getting so defensive

why cant you people let some people vent. Believe me the Smith family's reputation is not very good in the lacrosse commumity. Let him/her vent and you just keep doing what your doing kissing his [lacrosse]. Not the end of the world life goes on. Depends on which year your daughter graduates, but I can bet all my money youll be on here in a couple of years doing what this man/lady is doing. Its the nature of the beast. Just not a nice person.

i agree with the "crazy dude/dudette" dont like it dont read it. what are you a doctor?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why cant you people let some people vent. Believe me the Smith family's reputation is not very good in the lacrosse commumity. Let him/her vent and you just keep doing what your doing kissing his [lacrosse]. Not the end of the world life goes on. Depends on which year your daughter graduates, but I can bet all my money youll be on here in a couple of years doing what this man/lady is doing. Its the nature of the beast. Just not a nice person.

Nothing wrong with venting but must they vent everyday? Geez

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i agree with the "crazy dude/dudette" dont like it dont read it. what are you a doctor?

Nope no doctor' just someone that' s sane..Both of you head back to your teams thread. if TG is not your club, why do you spend so much time here? Must be some other club u both can find to harass. You both r missing the point that no one cares and you both just look really stupid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

She didn't burned lowlife she's not aloud to as per her parents and yes we're on an A team and yes we kick your [lacrosse] every opportunity we get. It's a shame we'll never play your team sounds for sure that BS has her on his finest c team. This is just payback for bill smith. That's all it is stop getting so defensive

This right here is why an education above HS is important. So angry they can't even spell or make sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good for him. Less work for everyone else. If he got burned by those creeps he can do as he pleases. BS should not be aloud to work with children he is ruining their self confidence and in a business sense how to cheat. No one will understand until they experience it for themselves and believe me they will because BS and SS are the same. They forgot where they came from. Take care of oeiple fairly and no one can say anything. Like say bring it on expose them and their behavior as much as possible so everyone doesn't have to endure the SMITH rath.

I am sorry to hear your daughter was moved off of a TG team. Don't stress over it. If she is as talented as you think she will make one of the other top clubs A teams. If she doesn't make it maybe the Smith assessment of her was correct

Second this reply

Originally Posted by Anonymous

She didn't burned lowlife she's not aloud to as per her parents and yes we're on an A team and yes we kick your [lacrosse] every opportunity we get. It's a shame we'll never play your team sounds for sure that BS has her on his finest c team. This is just payback for bill smith. That's all it is stop getting so defensive

What are you trying to say?

who said she was moved off a tg team? you just assume that because someone speaks badly of BS. And if she were it was a blessing.

I COULD ONLY PRAY FOR YOU AND YOUR DAUGHTER...

What she is trying to say is that you are as ignorant as BS. She is stating that the way he runs his teams and organizations stink just like you. how was that for an answer, miss know it all. Get a job..... and as stated above you tg are going to have a run for their money on the field. no real talent there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What she is trying to say is that you are as ignorant as BS. She is stating that the way he runs his teams and organizations stink just like you. how was that for an answer, miss know it all. Get a job..... and as stated above you tg are going to have a run for their money on the field. no real talent there.

Feel sorry for your daughter, that poor girl having to deal with this for a parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What she is trying to say is that you are as ignorant as BS. She is stating that the way he runs his teams and organizations stink just like you. how was that for an answer, miss know it all. Get a job..... and as stated above you tg are going to have a run for their money on the field. no real talent there.

I can't wait for you to show us your daughters talent. Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What she is trying to say is that you are as ignorant as BS. She is stating that the way he runs his teams and organizations stink just like you. how was that for an answer, miss know it all. Get a job..... and as stated above you tg are going to have a run for their money on the field. no real talent there.

You don't seem to have a job.. So much free time to be bitter and angry..you're a clown. Loser whose daughter didn't make the cut and now you're embarrassed and mad. Find a hobby jerk!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What she is trying to say is that you are as ignorant as BS. She is stating that the way he runs his teams and organizations stink just like you. how was that for an answer, miss know it all. Get a job..... and as stated above you tg are going to have a run for their money on the field. no real talent there.

Can you type a educated response without insulting someone or calling them names. You probably don't even have your GED.. Sounding like a Whiney 5th grader

yep you got it. You are so smart. At least Bill Smith's mission statement is correct definately unforgettable. I think I will quit my job making mega bucks just to irritate you it is soooo worth it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What she is trying to say is that you are as ignorant as BS. She is stating that the way he runs his teams and organizations stink just like you. how was that for an answer, miss know it all. Get a job..... and as stated above you tg are going to have a run for their money on the field. no real talent there.

I can't wait for you to show us your daughters talent. Lol

Yes please crazy dude/dudette, please be sure to let us know when beach bums or YJ 4,5,6 are playing so we can look out for her and learn a few things

Tg mission statement states unforgettable experience. To say the least. Good luck by the time out kids go to college SS will be a has been. From what I hear she's already burning bridges. So if you don't understand this because the lack of YOUR education... Good luck your going to need it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yep you got it. You are so smart. At least Bill Smith's mission statement is correct definately unforgettable. I think I will quit my job making mega bucks just to irritate you it is soooo worth it.

Everything out your mouth is BS.. Keep this up you gonna wear your knees out. You're gonna soon be needing some knee pads. The amount of time you stay down there buffing him off. Get a life loser. He, nor I, nor TG cares. U make nothing other than people laugh at your stupid a--. LOSER!

I love making people like you lives miserable. Keep you on your toes honey you won't see my daughter on those teams not that I think there is anything wrong with those teams. Apparently you think your the best. Believe me you trash bag you'll know if we play your daughter but not likely if she's anything like you she's in the lowest team there is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yep you got it. You are so smart. At least Bill Smith's mission statement is correct definately unforgettable. I think I will quit my job making mega bucks just to irritate you it is soooo worth it.

Lol.. Had to chime in here.. Who says "making mega bucks" ?? Funniest thing I've heard all morning. You really are a psycho huh?

You can use the knee pads doing what you do best..ughhh your repulsive

Yep guess so one with a lot of money and class unlike your top gun crew of losers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I love making people like you lives miserable. Keep you on your toes honey you won't see my daughter on those teams not that I think there is anything wrong with those teams. Apparently you think your the best. Believe me you trash bag you'll know if we play your daughter but not likely if she's anything like you she's in the lowest team there is.

I'm not miserable darling, you are quite the entertainment. CLOWN! You make me laugh that's about it. You just don't know how stupid you sound. You could never get me riled up and lose my cool, this is little kids lacrosse and I'm a grown up. No need to cry everyday because my daughter got cut..say what you want loser but you are taking your departure really hard. You talk really tough behind your keyboard with your little fat chubby fingers and then get off and cry. Let me guess you had already told your friends and family that your Daughter made TG? Now you have to eat your words... LIAR. How's that 3rd or 4th team working out for you?

Let me guess you're about to reply in 4..3..2..1 with an insult or some comment about the Smiths. Hard for anyone to take you serious when you have a brain the size of a pea.

I'm just an outsider but i love how this person is ruffling your feathers because you know she's right otherwise why entertain her

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tg mission statement states unforgettable experience. To say the least. Good luck by the time out kids go to college SS will be a has been. From what I hear she's already burning bridges. So if you don't understand this because the lack of YOUR education... Good luck your going to need it.

Trolling the TG website now huh? man you just won't go away. You really are obsessed with these people. Meanwhile they lose no sleep over you.

Ok who's the crazy dad or mom that won't go away? Everyday the same thing.
He/she is really nuts huh? so so sad

YOU MY DEAR ARE AS STUPID AS STUDPID IS. MY DAUGHTER DID NOT MAKE A "CUT" IM THE ONE WHO DECLINED. PLEASE WITH YOUR NONSENSE YOU ARE PATHETIC. THEY SELL TAPES WHERE YOU CAN LEARN HOW TO UNDERSTAND ENGLISH. YOU NOW ARE DRAGGING IN OTHER ORGANIZATIONS LIKE YG AND BEACH BUMS. I HAVE NEVER SEEN CAROL ROSE ACT IN AN UNPROFESSIONAL MANNER. AS FOR BEACH BUMS I DONT KNOW THEM. THE TOP GUNS ARE STAYING ON TOP GUNS BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED TO MOVE ON FROM SOMEONE THEY THINK CARES FOR THEM. NOW WE HAVE YOU. YOU WERE PROBABLY GOT OFFERED THE "c" TEAM AND ARE ESTATIC. GOOD
FOR YOU. ENOUGH OUT OF YOUR IDIOTIC MOUTH.

I hope BS cuts your daughters white team like he did to the 2017 this year. Another mess Carol Rose will clean up. No worries.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YOU MY DEAR ARE AS STUPID AS STUDPID IS. MY DAUGHTER DID NOT MAKE A "CUT" IM THE ONE WHO DECLINED. PLEASE WITH YOUR NONSENSE YOU ARE PATHETIC. THEY SELL TAPES WHERE YOU CAN LEARN HOW TO UNDERSTAND ENGLISH. YOU NOW ARE DRAGGING IN OTHER ORGANIZATIONS LIKE YG AND BEACH BUMS. I HAVE NEVER SEEN CAROL ROSE ACT IN AN UNPROFESSIONAL MANNER. AS FOR BEACH BUMS I DONT KNOW THEM. THE TOP GUNS ARE STAYING ON TOP GUNS BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED TO MOVE ON FROM SOMEONE THEY THINK CARES FOR THEM. NOW WE HAVE YOU. YOU WERE PROBABLY GOT OFFERED THE "c" TEAM AND ARE ESTATIC. GOOD
FOR YOU. ENOUGH OUT OF YOUR IDIOTIC MOUTH.

Lol someone's angry and yelling, What exactly is studpid? Can't try to insult someone when you yourself can't even spell the word. I understand English quite we'll buddy, not so sure you do. It's cute to see you angry. You can dish it but can't take it. Doesn't feel good does it?

These posts are embarrassing. My child plays top guns and there are things I have liked and things I dislike. It would be helpful to drop the name calling and attempt to share what you were/are so unhappy with.

yes what's "trolling") mean. Yes guess I was. If you must know I was looking up my sons fall tournament information and couldnt help to see latest topics. You my friend seem like you are the bitter Betty aka negative Nancy.

"YOU MY DEAR ARE AS STUPID AS STUDPID IS."

Classic

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hope BS cuts your daughters white team like he did to the 2017 this year. Another mess Carol Rose will clean up. No worries.

Oh ok so that's what it is, now we're getting somewhere. your daughter played for 2017 white and got cut. Now we all see why you're so angry.

is this better I thought that you would better understand in capital letters. Its called Rosetta Stone it does wonders for individuals that are not educated. Good luck with that learning disability. By the way my "chubby" finger will knock you into next tuesday. How's that better. You lowlife.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"YOU MY DEAR ARE AS STUPID AS STUDPID IS."

Classic

Isn't it? Lol aww man never laughed so hard in my life.

I can understand your animosity towards BS but to lump SS into this is just nuts. The girl has been a class act since high school. She never bad mouths anyone. She is respectful and courteous to all parents and players. She's more mature than most of the parents on this thread. You should hope your daughter carries herself as well as she has. I am not a Smith or friend of the Smiths if that is the retort to this post.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These posts are embarrassing. My child plays top guns and there are things I have liked and things I dislike. It would be helpful to drop the name calling and attempt to share what you were/are so unhappy with.

I agree, let's have some meaningful conversation. What do you like/dislike?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

is this better I thought that you would better understand in capital letters. Its called Rosetta Stone it does wonders for individuals that are not educated. Good luck with that learning disability. By the way my "chubby" finger will knock you into next tuesday. How's that better. You lowlife.

I highly doubt that buddy. Only person you're scaring obviously is your little girl.

yeah!!!! umm no stupid.... I will be on the field. You dont listen your too busy poking fun of people. I heard Dr. Shepfield deals with people like you. You might want to look him up. Its called delusion. I have to go now but I will be sure to look for you arguing with someone else on another day when I have nothing to do I will be sure to irriate you you once again. God Bless.

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

I can understand your animosity towards BS but to lump SS into this is just nuts. The girl has been a class act since high school. She never bad mouths anyone. She is respectful and courteous to all parents and players. She's more mature than most of the parents on this thread. You should hope your daughter carries herself as well as she has. I am not a Smith or friend of the Smiths if that is the retort to this post.

I agree, she is always nice to me. Says hello, smiles. Not sure what happened with the mad vigilante but I can only assume it has something to do with his attitude. Hence his posts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

is this better I thought that you would better understand in capital letters. Its called Rosetta Stone it does wonders for individuals that are not educated. Good luck with that learning disability. By the way my "chubby" finger will knock you into next tuesday. How's that better. You lowlife.

Hey mad tough guy! You're trying too hard to sound like you know what your typing.

ok I have been listening to you two idiots rant for hours. I am one of those parents whose daughter got cut from 2017 top guns but you think that is right? Do something perhaps another tryout. He does not care about anything but his next meal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yes what's "trolling") mean. Yes guess I was. If you must know I was looking up my sons fall tournament information and couldnt help to see latest topics. You my friend seem like you are the bitter Betty aka negative Nancy.

Looking for son's tournament info on TG website? Lol see you typed before you thought again. The mission statement is on the website not here on the forums. You're trying too hard buddy.

girls were cut on the 2018 level also. Did you mean they were cut from the team or did top guns decide to drop the 2017 white team? Which last year was the first year for white. Its all hard with this stuff and unfortunately politics are everywhere every club boys and girls.

the fact that your daughter plays for top guns is embarassment enough. Just worry about her and not this nonsense

you sound like a loser writing this. You sound like a class act.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the fact that your daughter plays for top guns is embarassment enough. Just worry about her and not this nonsense

thought you left? No need to insult the lady.

Ughhh your all crazy!!

you thought who left?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ughhh your all crazy!!

It's not all of us that are crazy. There's just this one person that trolls the forum being a ---hole. We cant't get rid of him/herI guess the next best thing is to just ignore them.

They're like a bad nightmare that comes back night after night. We can all see why the daughter isn't up to par. He/she spends all day on here insulting and belittling instead of practicing with their daughter.

Very very sad if you ask me. Trust me.. We're not all crazy!

someone please explain the the advantages of being on top guns to this nice lady. whats the matter big mouth chic (name caller) cat got your tongue?

you are the ONE that is crazy!!!!!! You know nothing about anybody that posts on here. You think you do which makes you a little coo coo. Thinking you know by a post whats going on in someones life. Grow up please and get a life and answer the poor lady's questions still waiting. What are the advantages for pete's sake. omg

Things that would be great to see on this thread and all others:
-The correct usage of their, there and they're
-The correct usage of your and you're
-Coherent sentences
-Commas: for the love of god does no one use commas anymore?
Thank you

Top Guns is the best organization. So many endless possibilites for your daughter. "World Class" coaching at its finest. Hey and the great BBQ at the end of the year. Great indoor for the winter only downside to the winter session no coaches, you know their all away at college. Bill Smith has a great attitude and very encouraging for the girls. Great overall experience.

Do I sense a little hostility?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you are the ONE that is crazy!!!!!! You know nothing about anybody that posts on here. You think you do which makes you a little coo coo. Thinking you know by a post whats going on in someones life. Grow up please and get a life and answer the poor lady's questions still waiting. What are the advantages for pete's sake. omg

No one asked a question about the advantages of TG. A lady suggested that the topic be changed and made a comment about what she likes or did not like about TG and someone asked her what was it she liked or didn't like... Said poster has not responded yet. stop trying to stir things up and once again think before you type. . It's not my job to list here the advantages of TG. That's the club owners job. "Mad tough guy" you should go and ask them what are the advantages of playing for their club. Now beat it!

does no one use commas? doesnt sound like proper grammer to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Things that would be great to see on this thread and all others:
-The correct usage of their, there and they're
-The correct usage of your and you're
-Coherent sentences
-Commas: for the love of god does no one use commas anymore?
Thank you

Didn't know this was English class, What are you the forum Valedictorian? You TG People think you all know everything

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns is the best organization. So many endless possibilites for your daughter. "World Class" coaching at its finest. Hey and the great BBQ at the end of the year. Great indoor for the winter only downside to the winter session no coaches, you know their all away at college. Bill Smith has a great attitude and very encouraging for the girls. Great overall experience.

Can't figure out if your sarcastic or delusional.

why would it be delusional? or sarcastic? Im just stating the truth. Just so psyched for anothr great season. The parents are all so nice which puts the cherry on top.

Didn't realize we were still in school. Your sick now a lesson on what words are correct. Really??? Stop worrying about the "tough guy" and worry about "your" daughter. You truly have some serious issues.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Things that would be great to see on this thread and all others:
-The correct usage of their, there and they're
-The correct usage of your and you're
-Coherent sentences
-Commas: for the love of god does no one use commas anymore?
Thank you

Didn't know this was English class, What are you the forum Valedictorian? You TG People think you all know everything

Regarding punctuation, it just makes the posts much easier to figure out. That's what punctuaion is for. "Let's eat, Grandma!" is not the same as, "Let's eat Grandma!"

Same with paragraphs. One long block of text is a mess.

You have 614 posts. I am flabbergasted that you have that much time on your hands and, your worrying about other people's grammar. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Out of control, maybe the real TG parents can take 24 hours off from posting so the trolls can become board, and go elsewhere.

board is a board game. Its Bored.... and your so funny. Should have become a comedian. Learn how to spell.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When will rosters be posted? Pay date is now past.

Probably another week or two

They cant post the rosters until they have enough kids on each team. Many teams - especially the white are short on kids as kids turned down spots. Probably need another month to wrangle up some more kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You have 614 posts. I am flabbergasted that you have that much time on your hands and, your worrying about other people's grammar. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It wasn't me worrying about grammar. I was merely pointing out why commas are needed.

We don't know how many posts you've made, do we? That's because you're anonymous. Get a handle, then someone can track you, too. For what it's worth, I've been using this handle for <ahem> probably about ten years.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Things that would be great to see on this thread and all others:
-The correct usage of their, there and they're
-The correct usage of your and you're
-Coherent sentences
-Commas: for the love of god does no one use commas anymore?
Thank you

Didn't know this was English class, What are you the forum Valedictorian? You TG People think you all know everything

Regarding punctuation, it just makes the posts much easier to figure out. That's what punctuaion is for. "Let's eat, Grandma!" is not the same as, "Let's eat Grandma!"

Same with paragraphs. One long block of text is a mess.

Agreed, Powder. Punctuation and paragraphs make the crazy talk easier to read.

Here's my serious question - why does the emotion level get so high on this thread?

Ok powder. Lmao... Get a life

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

I can understand your animosity towards BS but to lump SS into this is just nuts. The girl has been a class act since high school. She never bad mouths anyone. She is respectful and courteous to all parents and players. She's more mature than most of the parents on this thread. You should hope your daughter carries herself as well as she has. I am not a Smith or friend of the Smiths if that is the retort to this post.

The story I was told is SS as an alumni of the YJ program sought out the guidance of CR on how to set-up a program (not locally as a competitor) but elsewhere in the country. After a brain dump from CR, TG opened up shop down the street. I believe that is at least partially why some of the YJ faithful have a distain for TG and their owners.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok powder. Lmao... Get a life

Said the pot to the kettle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

I can understand your animosity towards BS but to lump SS into this is just nuts. The girl has been a class act since high school. She never bad mouths anyone. She is respectful and courteous to all parents and players. She's more mature than most of the parents on this thread. You should hope your daughter carries herself as well as she has. I am not a Smith or friend of the Smiths if that is the retort to this post.

The story I was told is SS as an alumni of the YJ program sought out the guidance of CR on how to set-up a program (not locally as a competitor) but elsewhere in the country. After a brain dump from CR, TG opened up shop down the street. I believe that is at least partially why some of the YJ faithful have a distain for TG and their owners.

Same story I heard as well...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

I can understand your animosity towards BS but to lump SS into this is just nuts. The girl has been a class act since high school. She never bad mouths anyone. She is respectful and courteous to all parents and players. She's more mature than most of the parents on this thread. You should hope your daughter carries herself as well as she has. I am not a Smith or friend of the Smiths if that is the retort to this post.

The story I was told is SS as an alumni of the YJ program sought

out the guidance of CR on how to set-up a program (not locally as a competitor) but elsewhere in the country. After a brain dump from CR, TG opened up shop down the street. I believe that is at least partially why some of the YJ faithful have a distain for TG and their owners.

Same story I heard as well...

Well..that settles it then if you two heard it then it must be true ..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

I can understand your animosity towards BS but to lump SS into this is just nuts. The girl has been a class act since high school. She never bad mouths anyone. She is respectful and courteous to all parents and players. She's more mature than most of the parents on this thread. You should hope your daughter carries herself as well as she has. I am not a Smith or friend of the Smiths if that is the retort to this post.

The story I was told is SS as an alumni of the YJ program sought

out the guidance of CR on how to set-up a program (not locally as a competitor) but elsewhere in the country. After a brain dump from CR, TG opened up shop down the street. I believe that is at least partially why some of the YJ faithful have a distain for TG and their owners.

Same story I heard as well...

Well..that settles it then if you two heard it then it must be true ..

Who cares how it started. The facts are SS started a club as a college student and in five years has all of YJ nation worried that her teams will start to beat them.

Let's not her carried away. Yellow jackets are not scared. We can honestly say the SS is shaking in her boots too, because tg doesn't even have enough players to fill rosters and they are cutting teams. CR offered a spot to anyone that was cut from 2017 white team. Tg need a lesson in business. They could of held another tryout but instead cut a whole team that are in 10th grade. That's not nice. And overall, terrible business decision. And no, my daughter was not on that white team but, it makes me think very much about her future as a top gun, as well as the truth to the smith's only caring for the black teams.

I agree and tg has turned into Bill Smith's business that he is running into the ground. When I call to speak to someone about a question, why is it only bill that makes those decisions? They are riding on Shannon's name and, better be careful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's not her carried away. Yellow jackets are not scared. We can honestly say the SS is shaking in her boots too, because tg doesn't even have enough players to fill rosters and they are cutting teams. CR offered a spot to anyone that was cut from 2017 white team. Tg need a lesson in business. They could of held another tryout but instead cut a whole team that are in 10th grade. That's not nice. And overall, terrible business decision. And no, my daughter was not on that white team but, it makes me think very much about her future as a top gun, as well as the truth to the smith's only caring for the black teams.

What makes you think they are having trouble filling rosters? Believe me you are way off. Just because the rosters aren't posted doesn't mean they cannot fill teams. They will release rosters when they are ready, not when you or anyone pressures them to. I was at the TG tryouts for all age groups and they were a lot of girls there, more than enough to fill teams.

How silly do you sound saying that they are cutting teams, and at the same time can't fill teams? White teams were cut simply because they did not perform well and as a small business it only makes sense to leave the teams at 2 per grade level. After this summer, I can see why it was a smart business move to cut the white teams. TG is a small club not trying to get as big as YJ (Well not yet anyway) and in Business anybody knows that sometimes tough decisions have to be made to succeed.

Sorry for the girls and the PARENTS that were on white and got cut,but since YJ was able to pick up the pieces as someone said and you have found a new home, I hope that all are happy, and move forward with friendly competitiveness and stop the negativity.

Any idea how many teams they are having at the 2021 and 2022 years? Did not seems like a large number of girls at the tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

I can understand your animosity towards BS but to lump SS into this is just nuts. The girl has been a class act since high school. She never bad mouths anyone. She is respectful and courteous to all parents and players. She's more mature than most of the parents on this thread. You should hope your daughter carries herself as well as she has. I am not a Smith or friend of the Smiths if that is the retort to this post.

The story I was told is SS as an alumni of the YJ program sought

out the guidance of CR on how to set-up a program (not locally as a competitor) but elsewhere in the country. After a brain dump from CR, TG opened up shop down the street. I believe that is at least partially why some of the YJ faithful have a distain for TG and their owners.

Same story I heard as well...

Well..that settles it then if you two heard it then it must be true ..

Who cares how it started. The facts are SS started a club as a college student and in five years has all of YJ nation worried that her teams will start to beat them.

So what if SS Started her own club? Isn't this what everyone should aspire to do? Learn something, become good at it and make a living doing it? How long was YJ expected to be the monopoly of lacrosse on Long Island? Come on guys 1000 girls isn't enough? Plenty of girls and money for everyone. Anyone can go and start a Lax club, not as hard as it may look people.

From what i was told its 3. I know of girls that are on black, purple and white at 2021 at least.

ask this person that posted above she seem to know it all. If she only knew.

well well well isnt that a hoot that you were at all the tryouts for all the age groups. Nothing going on that day? Because, quite honestly I was there too and, I didnt think there were half as many as last year. Now Now dont get feisty, im just giving my opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

well well well isnt that a hoot that you were at all the tryouts for all the age groups. Nothing going on that day? Because, quite honestly I was there too and, I didnt think there were half as many as last year. Now Now dont get feisty, im just giving my opinion.

So not getting into it with you today.. Move along!

white teams don't perform as well. That's seriously what you said. I know of at least 20 white players in all age groups that are better than black and purple teams on any given day. It's about how much money you have and WHO you know and dont deny it because if you do your just as ignorant. How dare you insult the girls on the white teams. Who are you?????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ask this person that posted above she seem to know it all. If she only knew.

I am not a lady and I am appalled at your disgusting behavior everyday, grow a pair and stop whining. I for one am sure you would not have the balls to say the things you say here to any other father or husband. I know you wouldn't dare fix those greasy lips to even say a word, You are worse than most females I've ever came across. Glad you are gone, won't have to see your face anymore.

Now need to reply, I am not the type to give you the energy and attention you seek. You will not get another response from me. Just wanted to let you know that you are a real POS.

No greasy lips here fatso. And, who said I was gone. Must have me confused with someone else. I would never leave. My life mission is to make you miserable. See you soon. Hows that diet going for you?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's not her carried away. Yellow jackets are not scared. We can honestly say the SS is shaking in her boots too, because tg doesn't even have enough players to fill rosters and they are cutting teams. CR offered a spot to anyone that was cut from 2017 white team. Tg need a lesson in business. They could of held another tryout but instead cut a whole team that are in 10th grade. That's not nice. And overall, terrible business decision. And no, my daughter was not on that white team but, it makes me think very much about her future as a top gun, as well as the truth to the smith's only caring for the black teams.

What makes you think they are having trouble filling rosters? Believe me you are way off. Just because the rosters aren't posted doesn't mean they cannot fill teams. They will release rosters when they are ready, not when you or anyone pressures them to. I was at the TG tryouts for all age groups and they were a lot of girls there, more than enough to fill teams.

How silly do you sound saying that they are cutting teams, and at the same time can't fill teams? White teams were cut simply because they did not perform well and as a small business it only makes sense to leave the teams at 2 per grade level. After this summer, I can see why it was a smart business move to cut the white teams. TG is a small club not trying to get as big as YJ (Well not yet anyway) and in Business anybody knows that sometimes tough decisions have to be made to succeed.

Sorry for the girls and the PARENTS that were on white and got cut,but since YJ was able to pick up the pieces as someone said and you have found a new home, I hope that all are happy, and move forward with friendly competitiveness and stop the negativity.

You really are clueless.If you actually believe the white team was dropped due to poor performance then you must have drank way too much tg coolaide.White team was dropped because they could no longer get 3 teams worth of kids willing to play, the amount at the tryout does not tell you how many have accepted spots and they are out trolling for more kids prior to posting rosters.They are struggling to get enough kids for 2 teams at some ages, don't pretend its anything different. That being said maybe this opens SS eyes and she starts to get more involved in the decisions and they make the changes they obviously need.

You obviously have more than one enemy. I am simply on the team and stating my opinion which you dont like. Seems as though your confused whom the POS is here Sir.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

white teams don't perform as well. That's seriously what you said. I know of at least 20 white players in all age groups that are better than black and purple teams on any given day. It's about how much money you have and WHO you know and dont deny it because if you do your just as ignorant. How dare you insult the girls on the white teams. Who are you?????

Just chiming in here, you're way off. I am far from having a lot of money, and I know absolutely no one. We struggle just like almost everyone, however my daughter is not on white. She works hard and constantly tries to learn the game and get better. She goes out there and gives it her all which is all I ask. It's simply you get what you put in. put in 100% effort and do your best to get better and it will happen. Not everyone is affiliated, knows someone or has money. I can speak for this as I am not any of the above.

There were over 110 at 2021 tryouts. Of course many wont/didn't take invites.

Not a bad idea to carry a few less on three teams (18-20 per team), rather than squeeze them on two teams. I think that if this was the case, some parents would be more inclined to accept positions on a white team knowing that their kid will get more playing time and hopefully develop more and have even more fun. Especially in the younger years.

you my man sound like the POS. Relax dude its girls lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

white teams don't perform as well. That's seriously what you said. I know of at least 20 white players in all age groups that are better than black and purple teams on any given day. It's about how much money you have and WHO you know and dont deny it because if you do your just as ignorant. How dare you insult the girls on the white teams. Who are you?????

I don't think poster was insulting the girls, I think what they are saying is some white teams (whole team) not individual player was cut, because team was not performing. Sometimes you have to let go of the entire pack and rebuild to get better. Unfortunate sometimes but this is still a business FIRST and FOREMOST and if it doesn't make dollars it doesn't make cents.

Its a good thing your not a lady. Because you sure as [lacrosse] dont act like one. Calling someone a POS. Okay buddy get a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

I can understand your animosity towards BS but to lump SS into this is just nuts. The girl has been a class act since high school. She never bad mouths anyone. She is respectful and courteous to all parents and players. She's more mature than most of the parents on this thread. You should hope your daughter carries herself as well as she has. I am not a Smith or friend of the Smiths if that is the retort to this post.

The story I was told is SS as an alumni of the YJ program sought

out the guidance of CR on how to set-up a program (not locally as a competitor) but elsewhere in the country. After a brain dump from CR, TG opened up shop down the street. I believe that is at least partially why some of the YJ faithful have a distain for TG and their owners.

Same story I heard as well...

Well..that settles it then if you two heard it then it must be true ..

Who cares how it started. The facts are SS started a club as a college student and in five years has all of YJ nation worried that her teams will start to beat them.

So what if SS Started her own club? Isn't this what everyone should aspire to do? Learn something, become good at it and make a living doing it? How long was YJ expected to be the monopoly of lacrosse on Long Island? Come on guys 1000 girls isn't enough? Plenty of girls and money for everyone. Anyone can go and start a Lax club, not as hard as it may look people.

It has how it was done, no integrity if your former coach gives you the business model under the false pretense that you will not be a local competitor and then you open shop down the street.

I think the poster is a POS like he stated the other poster was how's that for an opinion. And, I think he is the root of all evil for his daughters team. Because pretty much think I know who he is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

white teams don't perform as well. That's seriously what you said. I know of at least 20 white players in all age groups that are better than black and purple teams on any given day. It's about how much money you have and WHO you know and dont deny it because if you do your just as ignorant. How dare you insult the girls on the white teams. Who are you?????

Not a TG parent but will tell you that my daughters team played a TG White team last year and they were just horrific. I would think they would have trouble filling those teams with any kind of talent.

you my friend will be getting a response from the man himself. You have to answer to god. You lowlife worthless piece of crap.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

white teams don't perform as well. That's seriously what you said. I know of at least 20 white players in all age groups that are better than black and purple teams on any given day. It's about how much money you have and WHO you know and dont deny it because if you do your just as ignorant. How dare you insult the girls on the white teams. Who are you?????

I don't think poster was insulting the girls, I think what they are saying is some white teams (whole team) not individual player was cut, because team was not performing. Sometimes you have to let go of the entire pack and rebuild to get better. Unfortunate sometimes but this is still a business FIRST and FOREMOST and if it doesn't make dollars it doesn't make cents.

The white team folding in the 2017 age group happened because many of the parents/kids thought they had better opportunities trying to make other programs B teams so they said no to the White team invite. TG can not field a team with the 12 or so girls that said yes. In my opinion TG did the right thing by disbanding the White Team and letting those girls have enough time to find a program that will work for them.

sounds like your a coward. haha thats what they all say about you.

THANK YOU!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

white teams don't perform as well. That's seriously what you said. I know of at least 20 white players in all age groups that are better than black and purple teams on any given day. It's about how much money you have and WHO you know and dont deny it because if you do your just as ignorant. How dare you insult the girls on the white teams. Who are you?????

Not a TG parent but will tell you that my daughters team played a TG White team last year and they were just horrific. I would think they would have trouble filling those teams with any kind of talent.

And that's why they team got cut.. Thanks for being honest, not sure what's so hard for some of the parents to understand.

Hey, where's the big shot. Said what he wanted to insult people then went to the couch to watch tv and woof down his breakfast. He sure is a coward. If you can reveal his name, I would be forever greatful. I will make sure that his daughter never steps foot on the field again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

white teams don't perform as well. That's seriously what you said. I know of at least 20 white players in all age groups that are better than black and purple teams on any given day. It's about how much money you have and WHO you know and dont deny it because if you do your just as ignorant. How dare you insult the girls on the white teams. Who are you?????

I don't think poster was insulting the girls, I think what they are saying is some white teams (whole team) not individual player was cut, because team was not performing. Sometimes you have to let go of the entire pack and rebuild to get better. Unfortunate sometimes but this is still a business FIRST and FOREMOST and if it doesn't make dollars it doesn't make cents.

The white team folding in the 2017 age group happened because many of the parents/kids thought they had better opportunities trying to make other programs B teams so they said no to the White team invite. TG can not field a team with the 12 or so girls that said yes. In my opinion TG did the right thing by disbanding the White Team and letting those girls have enough time to find a program that will work for them.

Exactly!

well thats a terrible thing to say but ok. Hope your daughter is better what year was that white team. Just so happen to be trolling through tp thread.

I hope your daughter has stepped up to the plate this year because I heard we have some of the BEST players on Top Guns now since we got rid of the "white teams". Real great talent out there. Hofstra here they come.

which white team did you play last year that was horrific. We want to make your game this year more enjoyable and competative. We at Top Guns aim to please. I think it was the big mouth from TG that posted this hence no response.

I can tell you who he is I just inboxed you on facebook. Nice working with you to get rid of this problem.

Thank you for all documentation needed it's been a pleasure working with you once again. We got the trouble maker red handed. Will be handled appropriately. Have a great day all Top Guns parents

on no someones's in trouble. lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you for all documentation needed it's been a pleasure working with you once again. We got the trouble maker red handed. Will be handled appropriately. Have a great day all Top Guns parents

I am sorry but what are you guys talking about?

this thread confuses me

Originally Posted by Anonymous

on no someones's in trouble. lol

Lol, lol there are some real loony's on this TG forum..lol

Too much time on their hands..lol

Ah yes, SS picks her coach's brain about a club and starts her own right down the block. How ingenious! No one has ever done that before in any business. Why would anyone think she would start a club anywhere but her hometown? She was still a college student when she started this with her dad. It's a no brainer. I'm sure both posters had "reliable sources" for their information. I'm pretty sure West Babylon isn't as close to Northport as many might think. Elevate, Team 91 and Beach Bums are closer. I wonder if they stole trade secrets as well? YJ can only benefit from having another competitive club around. It keeps them from getting complacent without competition. TG is not on the same level as YJ yet. It may or may not ever get to that level. Only time will tell. I think my grammar is correct as well. Maybe someone will grade this?

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Ah yes, SS picks her coach's brain about a club and starts her own right down the block. How ingenious! No one has ever done that before in any business. Why would anyone think she would start a club anywhere but her hometown? She was still a college student when she started this with her dad. It's a no brainer. I'm sure both posters had "reliable sources" for their information. I'm pretty sure West Babylon isn't as close to Northport as many might think. Elevate, Team 91 and Beach Bums are closer. I wonder if they stole trade secrets as well? YJ can only benefit from having another competitive club around. It keeps them from getting complacent without competition. TG is not on the same level as YJ yet. It may or may not ever get to that level. Only time will tell. I think my grammar is correct as well. Maybe someone will grade this?

I heard the same story about Danielle Gallagher and Liberty too?

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Ah yes, SS picks her coach's brain about a club and starts her own right down the block. How ingenious! No one has ever done that before in any business. Why would anyone think she would start a club anywhere but her hometown? She was still a college student when she started this with her dad. It's a no brainer. I'm sure both posters had "reliable sources" for their information. I'm pretty sure West Babylon isn't as close to Northport as many might think. Elevate, Team 91 and Beach Bums are closer. I wonder if they stole trade secrets as well? YJ can only benefit from having another competitive club around. It keeps them from getting complacent without competition. TG is not on the same level as YJ yet. It may or may not ever get to that level. Only time will tell. I think my grammar is correct as well. Maybe someone will grade this?

The thing is if you take someone under your wing and are led to believe they are a loyal friend and they open up shop right down the road then yes seems scummy. Again not the end of the world. If someone uses their position within a business to acquire Email lists etc. to try and build their own business I think again its a scummy move, these things happen in many places from law offices to a dance studio. It does not make it right.No one but Shannon and Carol know what their relationship was or what was discussed between the two but one can understand why there would be some animosity between them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Ah yes, SS picks her coach's brain about a club and starts her own right down the block. How ingenious! No one has ever done that before in any business. Why would anyone think she would start a club anywhere but her hometown? She was still a college student when she started this with her dad. It's a no brainer. I'm sure both posters had "reliable sources" for their information. I'm pretty sure West Babylon isn't as close to Northport as many might think. Elevate, Team 91 and Beach Bums are closer. I wonder if they stole trade secrets as well? YJ can only benefit from having another competitive club around. It keeps them from getting complacent without competition. TG is not on the same level as YJ yet. It may or may not ever get to that level. Only time will tell. I think my grammar is correct as well. Maybe someone will grade this?

The thing is if you take someone under your wing and are led to believe they are a loyal friend and they open up shop right down the road then yes seems scummy. Again not the end of the world. If someone uses their position within a business to acquire Email lists etc. to try and build their own business I think again its a scummy move, these things happen in many places from law offices to a dance studio. It does not make it right.No one but Shannon and Carol know what their relationship was or what was discussed between the two but one can understand why there would be some animosity between them.

There are three versions to every story, pick the one that you like

Where are you tough guy. Stop hiding behind your wife you POS

Loyal friend? She was a paying customer just like everyone else. It just so happens that she was CR's most successful student. Could she really expect that girl to come into the fold after she graduated and become a coach there? SS probably had higher expectations for herself after college. As for opening a club in her own backyard, WB is on the south shore. Northport is north shore. Plenty of room for both. Girls will choose either club based on what is best for them. Very simple

How do you know what he meant unless the POS is you or your wife. Looks like a duck walks like a duck it's a duck my man

This guy actually believes you can play on a travel team, become a great player and coach, decide to make a career and living doing what you love (create a travel team) but WAIT A MINUTE! I can't do that. It might compete with an old coach of mine. Seriously? Really man? Are you 13? You sound like a teenage girl! You really sound like an idiot. THAT IS LIFE! That's what makes people have to work harder. This is something we want to happen you moron.Since when is a monopoly good? The angry gremlin who is whining must not be successful. Shut up and count your own money.

I hope your daughter gets bumped down because of a yellow jacket. You ignoramus

Why don't you shut your mouth your the one entertaining the "13" year old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This guy actually believes you can play on a travel team, become a great player and coach, decide to make a career and living doing what you love (create a travel team) but WAIT A MINUTE! I can't do that. It might compete with an old coach of mine. Seriously? Really man? Are you 13? You sound like a teenage girl! You really sound like an idiot. THAT IS LIFE! That's what makes people have to work harder. This is something we want to happen you moron.Since when is a monopoly good? The angry gremlin who is whining must not be successful. Shut up and count your own money.

You are missing the actual point. It was asked why folks have a problem with BS and SS. I simply put forward what was said to me by folks that have been with YJ a long time. It may not be entirely correct but if you sit down with CR and learn about standing up a club and indicate you were not going to do it on LI, than your rant above is ridiculous. You can believe it or not, but if true than it was low class and zero integrity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Ah yes, SS picks her coach's brain about a club and starts her own right down the block. How ingenious! No one has ever done that before in any business. Why would anyone think she would start a club anywhere but her hometown? She was still a college student when she started this with her dad. It's a no brainer. I'm sure both posters had "reliable sources" for their information. I'm pretty sure West Babylon isn't as close to Northport as many might think. Elevate, Team 91 and Beach Bums are closer. I wonder if they stole trade secrets as well? YJ can only benefit from having another competitive club around. It keeps them from getting complacent without competition. TG is not on the same level as YJ yet. It may or may not ever get to that level. Only time will tell. I think my grammar is correct as well. Maybe someone will grade this?

I heard the same story about Danielle Gallagher and Liberty too?

The first thing you have to remember is that D.G. was to woman's lacrosse 20 years ago that S.S. is today. After a successful college career, D.G. went to be an assistant coach at the college level, and a very successful post collegiate career for the U.S. National team. She is also a Manhasset native the same as C.R. but to think that C.R. has the only rite to run a travel club within one of the lacrosse hotbeds on the planet is absurd. Each club, like each director, have different personalities. Not everyone will fit into any of them. Be happy with the one you chose, and respectful of the directors and girls that play for the others.

If the yellow jacket is better than her than she will have to learn that there is always someone better and you need to work harder if you want it. Wow! Is that crazy or what? PARENTING 101

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Ah yes, SS picks her coach's brain about a club and starts her own right down the block. How ingenious! No one has ever done that before in any business. Why would anyone think she would start a club anywhere but her hometown? She was still a college student when she started this with her dad. It's a no brainer. I'm sure both posters had "reliable sources" for their information. I'm pretty sure West Babylon isn't as close to Northport as many might think. Elevate, Team 91 and Beach Bums are closer. I wonder if they stole trade secrets as well? YJ can only benefit from having another competitive club around. It keeps them from getting complacent without competition. TG is not on the same level as YJ yet. It may or may not ever get to that level. Only time will tell. I think my grammar is correct as well. Maybe someone will grade this?

I heard the same story about Danielle Gallagher and Liberty too?

The first thing you have to remember is that D.G. was to woman's lacrosse 20 years ago that S.S. is today. After a successful college career, D.G. went to be an assistant coach at the college level, and a very successful post collegiate career for the U.S. National team. She is also a Manhasset native the same as C.R. but to think that C.R. has the only rite to run a travel club within one of the lacrosse hotbeds on the planet is absurd. Each club, like each director, have different personalities. Not everyone will fit into any of them. Be happy with the one you chose, and respectful of the directors and girls that play for the others.

Folks, it was never stated she had a right to a monopoly, read the original post for $*&^# sake!!!

The original post was about the animosity towards BS and SS. Yellow Jackets faithful have no right to show disdain for SS being that she was gone before most of the paying customers even tried out for YJ. They hate her because they are told to hate her and everything TG. Maybe with SL leaving and starting a Legacy girls program, the TG faithful will start to hate him and everything associated with that program? Why can't we all just get along?!

We do not play for TG but I hope my daughters accomplish half of what Shannon Smith has at such a young age. Most college graduates her age are smoking weed and livng in their parents basements complaining how the economy is terrible and they can not find a job. When you look at everything she has done in her life so far it is hard to not be impressed.

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

The original post was about the animosity towards BS and SS. Yellow Jackets faithful have no right to show disdain for SS being that she was gone before most of the paying customers even tried out for YJ. They hate her because they are told to hate her and everything TG. Maybe with SL leaving and starting a Legacy girls program, the TG faithful will start to hate him and everything associated with that program? Why can't we all just get along?!

AS a TG Parent hated to see Steve go wish him and Legacy best of Luck as far as I know it is still a Free economy in the US. Just wondering if TG had an opportunity to keep him,they should have given it a hard look IMO.

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

The original post was about the animosity towards BS and SS. Yellow Jackets faithful have no right to show disdain for SS being that she was gone before most of the paying customers even tried out for YJ. They hate her because they are told to hate her and everything TG. Maybe with SL leaving and starting a Legacy girls program, the TG faithful will start to hate him and everything associated with that program? Why can't we all just get along?!

Just such an ignorant statement. Most YJ do not hate SS and never have. Most YJ respect her and know she may very well be the best player Long Island has ever had. That being said many YJ consider CR to be a friend and do consider SS to have at a minimum done something a little untrustworthy. I see a lot more animosity directed at CR and the YJs from TG then the other way around. BS being such a blowhard does not help your cause.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

The original post was about the animosity towards BS and SS. Yellow Jackets faithful have no right to show disdain for SS being that she was gone before most of the paying customers even tried out for YJ. They hate her because they are told to hate her and everything TG. Maybe with SL leaving and starting a Legacy girls program, the TG faithful will start to hate him and everything associated with that program? Why can't we all just get along?!

Just such an ignorant statement. Most YJ do not hate SS and never have. Most YJ respect her and know she may very well be the best player Long Island has ever had. That being said many YJ consider CR to be a friend and do consider SS to have at a minimum done something a little untrustworthy. I see a lot more animosity directed at CR and the YJs from TG then the other way around. BS being such a blowhard does not help your cause.

if only you knew the things said by yj and cr you would think differently

NO ONE CARES!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

The original post was about the animosity towards BS and SS. Yellow Jackets faithful have no right to show disdain for SS being that she was gone before most of the paying customers even tried out for YJ. They hate her because they are told to hate her and everything TG. Maybe with SL leaving and starting a Legacy girls program, the TG faithful will start to hate him and everything associated with that program? Why can't we all just get along?!

Just such an ignorant statement. Most YJ do not hate SS and never have. Most YJ respect her and know she may very well be the best player Long Island has ever had. That being said many YJ consider CR to be a friend and do consider SS to have at a minimum done something a little untrustworthy. I see a lot more animosity directed at CR and the YJs from TG then the other way around. BS being such a blowhard does not help your cause.

if only you knew the things said by yj and cr you would think differently

please enlighten us, have had a kid play YJ for 5 years and honestly have never heard a YJ player , coach, or parent say anything negative about SS. Have heard and witnessed plenty negative about BS.

Fact# 1 CR never ever coached SS at any level when she was a YJ. It was Bob Defoe. Who along wIth Man Rose is the class of the program. The rest are snakes. As a matter of fact Carol was too busy collected fees in cash back then at practices from team parents.
Fact#2. SS is what she became a superstar because she was a gifted athlete who worked hard at all the time.
Fact#3 Tracy Wiener Never played the game. Was a softball player.
Fact#4 CR sits back and has all her little wannabees do all the dirty work for her and then claims she unaware of it.
Fact#5 Why would SS at 24yrs want to work for CR. Wouldnt want to own the Bus company rather than just drive it?
Fact#6 its all about the end game.All this club team is nonsense.It your Kid is a player she will be recruited. If she not she wont no matter what team she plays for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fact# 1 CR never ever coached SS at any level when she was a YJ. It was Bob Defoe. Who along wIth Man Rose is the class of the program. The rest are snakes. As a matter of fact Carol was too busy collected fees in cash back then at practices from team parents.
Fact#2. SS is what she became a superstar because she was a gifted athlete who worked hard at all the time.
Fact#3 Tracy Wiener Never played the game. Was a softball player.
Fact#4 CR sits back and has all her little wannabees do all the dirty work for her and then claims she unaware of it.
Fact#5 Why would SS at 24yrs want to work for CR. Wouldnt want to own the Bus company rather than just drive it?
Fact#6 its all about the end game.All this club team is nonsense.It your Kid is a player she will be recruited. If she not she wont no matter what team she plays for.

The only thing that was proven to be a fact in this rant is you have no idea what a fact is.You really need to go get some help.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

The original post was about the animosity towards BS and SS. Yellow Jackets faithful have no right to show disdain for SS being that she was gone before most of the paying customers even tried out for YJ. They hate her because they are told to hate her and everything TG. Maybe with SL leaving and starting a Legacy girls program, the TG faithful will start to hate him and everything associated with that program? Why can't we all just get along?!

Just such an ignorant statement. Most YJ do not hate SS and never have. Most YJ respect her and know she may very well be the best player Long Island has ever had. That being said many YJ consider CR to be a friend and do consider SS to have at a minimum done something a little untrustworthy. I see a lot more animosity directed at CR and the YJs from TG then the other way around. BS being such a blowhard does not help your cause.

if only you knew the things said by yj and cr you would think differently

please enlighten us, have had a kid play YJ for 5 years and honestly have never heard a YJ player , coach, or parent say anything negative about SS. Have heard and witnessed plenty negative about BS.

I have. My daughter's friend is a YJ and those two are fine. One of her parents has made some snarky comments about TG, some of them directly to my daughter which was really uncalled for. That said, there's one in every crowd and I would hope and expect that most YJs and TGs are over it already. However, based on threads here, it is not over.

Since BS is riding off SS name, she should probably tell him to just worry about counting the money and stay out of the way of the parents, because he is a beast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since BS is riding off SS name, she should probably tell him to just worry about counting the money and stay out of the way of the parents, because he is a beast.

Bill's awesome!

Bill's the best!!!!! What a personable guy. I mean he couldn't be nicer.

Fact man got it all right .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what i was told its 3. I know of girls that are on black, purple and white at 2021 at least.

Tryouts were more than a month ago, why dont they post the rosters like they usually do?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fact man got it all right .

Fact man is an idiot .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what i was told its 3. I know of girls that are on black, purple and white at 2021 at least.

Tryouts were more than a month ago, why dont they post the rosters like they usually do?

You know why, can't field more than 1 team at most ages, seems as if the rankings of programs has shifted, #1 YJ, #2 Elevate, #3 TG.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what i was told its 3. I know of girls that are on black, purple and white at 2021 at least.

Tryouts were more than a month ago, why dont they post the rosters like they usually do?

You know why, can't field more than 1 team at most ages, seems as if the rankings of programs has shifted, #1 YJ, #2 Elevate, #3 TG.

Last couple years they have not posted rosters until a much later date. Elevate on the whole is weak, TG seems to be trending that way, but still a much higher level than elevate overall. And spare us the 20xx team beta TG 20xx team retort, as a club on the whole, TGs hands down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what i was told its 3. I know of girls that are on black, purple and white at 2021 at least.

Tryouts were more than a month ago, why dont they post the rosters like they usually do?

You know why, can't field more than 1 team at most ages, seems as if the rankings of programs has shifted, #1 YJ, #2 Elevate, #3 TG.

Why do you feel or say that elevate has surpassed TG?

that's funny dave elevate #2 how about maybe #4 after liberty

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what i was told its 3. I know of girls that are on black, purple and white at 2021 at least.

Tryouts were more than a month ago, why dont they post the rosters like they usually do?

You know why, can't field more than 1 team at most ages, seems as if the rankings of programs has shifted, #1 YJ, #2 Elevate, #3 TG.

Obviously posted by a YJ parent. Are you saying from a talent perspective or from a size of club perspective?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what i was told its 3. I know of girls that are on black, purple and white at 2021 at least.

Tryouts were more than a month ago, why dont they post the rosters like they usually do?

You know why, can't field more than 1 team at most ages, seems as if the rankings of programs has shifted, #1 YJ, #2 Elevate, #3 TG.

Things are certainly moving in that direction.

#1 YJ at this point cannot be denied
#2 Elevate. Better in several age groups and seems they are trending up
#3. Have 1 very good age group but overall seem to have peaked and are trending down , parents want more than just an anti - other club attitude

#4. Liberty have become an afterthought in 2016 and below

Coaches font recruit programs, they recruit girls. As long as your daughter is on a competitive team, she will be seen. And if she pays for a program with the least number if wackos owners, coaches and parents, you will probably be happier too

Originally Posted by Anonymous

#1 YJ at this point cannot be denied
#2 Elevate. Better in several age groups and seems they are trending up
#3. Have 1 very good age group but overall seem to have peaked and are trending down , parents want more than just an anti - other club attitude

#4. Liberty have become an afterthought in 2016 and below

Assuming this is limited to Long Island and does not include MD clubs, I think this is an accurate portrayal of the current state for the girls, assuming that # 3 is TG as there is no name mentioned.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

#1 YJ at this point cannot be denied
#2 Elevate. Better in several age groups and seems they are trending up
#3. Have 1 very good age group but overall seem to have peaked and are trending down , parents want more than just an anti - other club attitude

#4. Liberty have become an afterthought in 2016 and below

Agree,YJ, Elevate, TG, Liberty

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what i was told its 3. I know of girls that are on black, purple and white at 2021 at least.

Tryouts were more than a month ago, why dont they post the rosters like they usually do?

Because not everyone paid, or paid in full as the YJ tryouts have not been held yet

Is that why Elevate hasn't posted their rosters either?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is that why Elevate hasn't posted their rosters either?

Elevate posted theirs in the spring last year, TG usually posts theirs by now - just odd???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is that why Elevate hasn't posted their rosters either?

Elevate tryouts were a week ago, TG was in August. TG sounds desperate at this point? A lot of the TG girls are staying together, they will just be wearing YJ jerseys.

You seem pretty defensive about Elevate. And their tryouts were the 1st and 2nd weekends in Sept. TGs was the next to last weekend in August. I guess both would be posted if they were all set

Originally Posted by Anonymous

#1 YJ at this point cannot be denied
#2 Elevate. Better in several age groups and seems they are trending up
#3. Have 1 very good age group but overall seem to have peaked and are trending down , parents want more than just an anti - other club attitude

#4. Liberty have become an afterthought in 2016 and below

Agree - TG will be moving down quite quickly. TG missed the boat!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what i was told its 3. I know of girls that are on black, purple and white at 2021 at least.

Tryouts were more than a month ago, why dont they post the rosters like they usually do?

Because not everyone paid, or paid in full as the YJ tryouts have not been held yet

I heard BS exceeded his mileage on his lease this month due to the massive number of house calls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

#1 YJ at this point cannot be denied
#2 Elevate. Better in several age groups and seems they are trending up
#3. Have 1 very good age group but overall seem to have peaked and are trending down , parents want more than just an anti - other club attitude

#4. Liberty have become an afterthought in 2016 and below

Assuming this is limited to Long Island and does not include MD clubs, I think this is an accurate portrayal of the current state for the girls, assuming that # 3 is TG as there is no name mentioned.

AGREE

what age group is better ?

2016 - TG
2017 - Elevate
2018 - TG
2019 - ?
2020 - TG
2021 - to young to worry about

so tell me how does Elevate rank hire than TG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what age group is better ?

2016 - TG
2017 - Elevate
2018 - TG
2019 - ?
2020 - TG
2021 - to young to worry about

so tell me how does Elevate rank hire than TG

2016 - Elevate
2017- Elevate
2018 - TG by a hair
2019- Elevate
2020 - TG last year - not sure going forward
2021 - Elevate
2022 - Elevate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what age group is better ?

2016 - TG
2017 - Elevate
2018 - TG
2019 - ?
2020 - TG
2021 - to young to worry about

so tell me how does Elevate rank hire than TG

[quote=Anonymous]what age group is better ?

2016 - TG
2017 - Elevate
2018 - TG OR Elevate - very close as we played both teams
2019 - Elevate
2020 - TG
2021 - Elevate (Elevate blew out TG at National Draw)

2019 TG. Would blow out elevate. What r u guys smoking

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]what age group is better ?

2016 - TG
2017 - Elevate
2018 - TG
2019 - ?
2020 - TG
2021 - to young to worry about

so tell me how does Elevate rank hire than TG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what age group is better ?

2016 - TG
2017 - Elevate
2018 - TG OR Elevate - very close as we played both teams
2019 - Elevate
2020 - TG
2021 - Elevate (Elevate blew out TG at National Draw)

There is an elevate parent on here, must be a 2021 parent who has brought up the win over tg 2021 at least 20 times. Now its a blow out win. No arguing you won, but by a couple or few goals, by no means was it a blow out, game easily could have went other way. Had the two teams played later in the year it would likely have went the other way. Team was so new at that point the coaches didn't know who was who and either did players, they became much stronger as summer went on. Unfortunately, this also doesn't say much for the TG coach hiring philosophy. That was first and last time I will respond on that matter, just could not bear watch this parent pound chest over, and over and over.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]what age group is better ?

2016 - TG
2017 - Elevate
2018 - TG
2019 - ?
2020 - TG
2021 - to young to worry about

so tell me how does Elevate rank hire than TG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what age group is better ?

2016 - TG
2017 - Elevate
2018 - TG OR Elevate - very close as we played both teams
2019 - Elevate
2020 - TG
2021 - Elevate (Elevate blew out TG at National Draw)

There is an elevate parent on here, must be a 2021 parent who has brought up the win over tg 2021 at least 20 times. Now its a blow out win. No arguing you won, but by a couple or few goals, by no means was it a blow out, game easily could have went other way. Had the two teams played later in the year it would likely have went the other way. Team was so new at that point the coaches didn't know who was who and either did players, they became much stronger as summer went on. Unfortunately, this also doesn't say much for the TG coach hiring philosophy. That was first and last time I will respond on that matter, just could not bear watch this parent pound chest over, and over and over.....

Ironically, it was a new team for Elevate as well and that team also got stronger as the summer went on. It will be great to see them play again since TG got sooooo much better. Although I am sure there will be a new excuse this coming summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]what age group is better ?

2016 - TG
2017 - Elevate
2018 - TG
2019 - ?
2020 - TG
2021 - to young to worry about

so tell me how does Elevate rank hire than TG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what age group is better ?

2016 - TG
2017 - Elevate
2018 - TG OR Elevate - very close as we played both teams
2019 - Elevate
2020 - TG
2021 - Elevate (Elevate blew out TG at National Draw)

There is an elevate parent on here, must be a 2021 parent who has brought up the win over tg 2021 at least 20 times. Now its a blow out win. No arguing you won, but by a couple or few goals, by no means was it a blow out, game easily could have went other way. Had the two teams played later in the year it would likely have went the other way. Team was so new at that point the coaches didn't know who was who and either did players, they became much stronger as summer went on. Unfortunately, this also doesn't say much for the TG coach hiring philosophy. That was first and last time I will respond on that matter, just could not bear watch this parent pound chest over, and over and over.....

You sound frustrated by the loss. Have your kid come over to YJ and then you will beat them!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]what age group is better ?

2016 - TG
2017 - Elevate
2018 - TG
2019 - ?
2020 - TG
2021 - to young to worry about

so tell me how does Elevate rank hire than TG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what age group is better ?

2016 - TG
2017 - Elevate
2018 - TG OR Elevate - very close as we played both teams
2019 - Elevate
2020 - TG
2021 - Elevate (Elevate blew out TG at National Draw)

Are you out of your mind? You cannot even compare TG to Elevate. TG in most age brackets are far superior. And 2018?? Are you kidding? TG would win by 5 to 6 goals. At 2018 who is better than TG? M&D, YJ, SW. You are really putting Elevate 2018 in those first 4 or 5 teams in the country? Please, give me some of what you are smoking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what i was told its 3. I know of girls that are on black, purple and white at 2021 at least.

Tryouts were more than a month ago, why dont they post the rosters like they usually do?

Because not everyone paid, or paid in full as the YJ tryouts have not been held yet

I heard BS exceeded his mileage on his lease this month due to the massive number of house calls.

At least he isn't driving out to Westhampton !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what i was told its 3. I know of girls that are on black, purple and white at 2021 at least.

Tryouts were more than a month ago, why dont they post the rosters like they usually do?

Because not everyone paid, or paid in full as the YJ tryouts have not been held yet

I do not get this ongoing inside joke, but it appears Westhampton is more than ok that he is not coming out there!!!

I heard BS exceeded his mileage on his lease this month due to the massive number of house calls.

At least he isn't driving out to Westhampton !

I do not get this ongoing inside joke, but it does appear Westhampton more than fine with him not coming their way!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

#1 YJ at this point cannot be denied
#2 Elevate. Better in several age groups and seems they are trending up
#3. Have 1 very good age group but overall seem to have peaked and are trending down , parents want more than just an anti - other club attitude

#4. Liberty have become an afterthought in 2016 and below

Assuming this is limited to Long Island and does not include MD clubs, I think this is an accurate portrayal of the current state for the girls, assuming that # 3 is TG as there is no name mentioned.

Sorry , yes to your questions . Add in MD and obviously YJ only one on same level with a few of your top programs

He is not going to Westhampton because the hotdog trucks have now gone that summer is over . He better be careful because many more TG are looking to abandon ship . Saw a lot of them begging some YJ coaches today , they want guarantees and then are gone .Hey Bill time to make some house calls , start w the one you originally went to .

Are you out of your mind? Limited skills on tg 2018 black. They are very weak. Great coach but not a strong team. Elevate more skilled at that specific age but a new team. Need to play together more

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you out of your mind? Limited skills on tg 2018 black. They are very weak. Great coach but not a strong team. Elevate more skilled at that specific age but a new team. Need to play together more

Agree, M&D, Skywalker,YJ all better. They also lose many games to much weaker clubs and teams not mentioned above, making them basically a weak B level team.

I hate to break it to you but the TG 2018 have lost something like 5 games since they started. Two of those were to M&D Black, one to Skywalkers Blue and another to YJ 2017 Blue. They have also won over 60 games and to the Elevate genius they have played head to head twice (summer 2013) with TG winning both. Beat them by 8 at National Draw and beat them by 3 at Hofstra tournament. TG was down by 3 goals at halftime at Hofstra but they obviously played a second half. TG 2018 certainly not the best but they are a very solid team...let it rest

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what i was told its 3. I know of girls that are on black, purple and white at 2021 at least.

Tryouts were more than a month ago, why dont they post the rosters like they usually do?

You know why, can't field more than 1 team at most ages, seems as if the rankings of programs has shifted, #1 YJ, #2 Elevate, #3 TG.

Why do YJ parents feel the need to bring other clubs into these discussions just to anger TG parents. A YJ parent would never say anything good about Elevate unless it was to the YJ advantage or to make a TG parent angry - just don't get it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what i was told its 3. I know of girls that are on black, purple and white at 2021 at least.

Tryouts were more than a month ago, why dont they post the rosters like they usually do?

You know why, can't field more than 1 team at most ages, seems as if the rankings of programs has shifted, #1 YJ, #2 Elevate, #3 TG.

Why do YJ parents feel the need to bring other clubs into these discussions just to anger TG parents. A YJ parent would never say anything good about Elevate unless it was to the YJ advantage or to make a TG parent angry - just don't get it?

Could have been Elevate...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what i was told its 3. I know of girls that are on black, purple and white at 2021 at least.

Tryouts were more than a month ago, why dont they post the rosters like they usually do?

You know why, can't field more than 1 team at most ages, seems as if the rankings of programs has shifted, #1 YJ, #2 Elevate, #3 TG.

Why do YJ parents feel the need to bring other clubs into these discussions just to anger TG parents. A YJ parent would never say anything good about Elevate unless it was to the YJ advantage or to make a TG parent angry - just don't get it?

Could have been Elevate...

Nice Mr. YJ. Bring another team in to try and anger TG parents, then throw that team under the bus. Sounds like the YJ way.

You know why, can't field more than 1 team at most ages, seems as if the rankings of programs has shifted, #1 YJ, #2 Elevate, #3 TG.

see above.... Can we get this dude off the thread?? Not a YJ ,Elevate, Nor a TG parent, but this guy is annoying!!!!

HELP!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what i was told its 3. I know of girls that are on black, purple and white at 2021 at least.

Tryouts were more than a month ago, why dont they post the rosters like they usually do?

You know why, can't field more than 1 team at most ages, seems as if the rankings of programs has shifted, #1 YJ, #2 Elevate, #3 TG.

Why do YJ parents feel the need to bring other clubs into these discussions just to anger TG parents. A YJ parent would never say anything good about Elevate unless it was to the YJ advantage or to make a TG parent angry - just don't get it?

Why do you TG feel the need to blame everything on YJ . If you do not believe Elevate has at least gained ground you are just an idiot.

This isn't about the club she play's for. It's about your daughter and if she is happy. You people make this about you any way you can. It's insane. Stop with who is the best club and consider your daughter. Your childish behavior is painting a picture that will rub off on her. Just enjoy the game and your daughter while you can , cause soon she will be off on her own and you will be missing the times you spent with her going to these Lax tournaments. This is a special time to bond, make friends and enjoy your daughters happiness. If you can't do that without bringing someone else down first than you really need to look in the mirror and see why your so unhappy. Please stop with the stupidness on these threads and consider yourself lucky to be able to do these things with her. Hopefully you all have a great day.

2021 there was over 150 girls there at tryouts. The 2022 tryouts there were over 50 girls there. The 2022 team has a Black and Purple, so there are 2 teams that will be fielded this upcoming summer. 2022 just had two teams play at the Hofstra tournament. There were 12 on each team and it is known that there were at least another 15 kids that have paid that could not make the tournament this weekend. I know that the 2022 Black team did very well playing against mostly 2021 teams on Saturday. Future is bright for TG in the younger ages.

I watched all you BS and SS kiss assers at the Hofstra Tournament yesterday. Your a bunch of pathetic losers. Your going to be very surprised when rosters come out. TG are struggling to keep their heads above water. BS asked my daughter if he knew of any players because he is extremely short handed on 2021 and 2018 teams. Ummm looks like its catching up with you BS (you [lacrosse]). Lets stop the nonsense above about whose team is better, lets just prove it on the field. It will speak for itself. He lost a lot of great players and he is SCREWED. Lets talk statistics after or during the summer season. You idiot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched all you BS and SS kiss assers at the Hofstra Tournament yesterday. Your a bunch of pathetic losers. Your going to be very surprised when rosters come out. TG are struggling to keep their heads above water. BS asked my daughter if he knew of any players because he is extremely short handed on 2021 and 2018 teams. Ummm looks like its catching up with you BS (you [lacrosse]). Lets stop the nonsense above about whose team is better, lets just prove it on the field. It will speak for itself. He lost a lot of great players and he is SCREWED. Lets talk statistics after or during the summer season. You idiot.

OMG you are back?? No one cares and you're such a liar.. I see you're back to being a stalker, your daughter gets cut and you still find a way to go to Hofstra tourney. you are the definition of a loser that wont get it and go away. All teams seemed perfectly fine to me at Tourney yesterday. You must have felt left out. BEAT it reject!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched all you BS and SS kiss assers at the Hofstra Tournament yesterday. Your a bunch of pathetic losers. Your going to be very surprised when rosters come out. TG are struggling to keep their heads above water. BS asked my daughter if he knew of any players because he is extremely short handed on 2021 and 2018 teams. Ummm looks like its catching up with you BS (you [lacrosse]). Lets stop the nonsense above about whose team is better, lets just prove it on the field. It will speak for itself. He lost a lot of great players and he is SCREWED. Lets talk statistics after or during the summer season. You idiot.

If he is such an A-hole, why would you play in his tournanment?? or let him speak to your daughter??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched all you BS and SS kiss assers at the Hofstra Tournament yesterday. Your a bunch of pathetic losers. Your going to be very surprised when rosters come out. TG are struggling to keep their heads above water. BS asked my daughter if he knew of any players because he is extremely short handed on 2021 and 2018 teams. Ummm looks like its catching up with you BS (you [lacrosse]). Lets stop the nonsense above about whose team is better, lets just prove it on the field. It will speak for itself. He lost a lot of great players and he is SCREWED. Lets talk statistics after or during the summer season. You idiot.

Glad you took time out of your busy day at your tournaments to attend ours. Did you have fun watching your daughter's ex team? did you go home crying? Why do you keep torturing yourself by doing these things? Next year just tryout again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched all you BS and SS kiss assers at the Hofstra Tournament yesterday. Your a bunch of pathetic losers. Your going to be very surprised when rosters come out. TG are struggling to keep their heads above water. BS asked my daughter if he knew of any players because he is extremely short handed on 2021 and 2018 teams. Ummm looks like its catching up with you BS (you [lacrosse]). Lets stop the nonsense above about whose team is better, lets just prove it on the field. It will speak for itself. He lost a lot of great players and he is SCREWED. Lets talk statistics after or during the summer season. You idiot.

If he is such an A-hole, why would you play in his tournanment?? or let him speak to your daughter??

I was just going to ask this person that question, everyone sees right through him, He just doesn't get it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched all you BS and SS kiss assers at the Hofstra Tournament yesterday. Your a bunch of pathetic losers. Your going to be very surprised when rosters come out. TG are struggling to keep their heads above water. BS asked my daughter if he knew of any players because he is extremely short handed on 2021 and 2018 teams. Ummm looks like its catching up with you BS (you [lacrosse]). Lets stop the nonsense above about whose team is better, lets just prove it on the field. It will speak for itself. He lost a lot of great players and he is SCREWED. Lets talk statistics after or during the summer season. You idiot.

If he is such an A-hole, why would you play in his tournanment?? or let him speak to your daughter??

That's right, Let him have it.

I was there as well and I was wondering who was hiding in the trees with the binoculars. If you don't like the family then don't come to the tournament. Very simple. You have issues my friend. I guess you were there to show BS what a mistake he made in regards to your daughter?

Who said I got kicked off Fatty... I told you, you must have me confused. I am very much part of the TG team. I am using that idiot for my own purposes. Your such an idiot. OMG and you looked like the beast that you and everyone on your team thinks you are. I am here to stay. Idk why you dont believe me. Your a [lacrosse]. Literally lmao

Actually saw quite a few new TG girls at Hofstra Tourney yesterday,
TG will be just fine hater, worry about your own club.

As I am writing I have the biggest grin. You are such an ignorant [lacrosse]. Why would I be there you moron. I love that I make your skin crawl. It finds me such joy and I cant wait until the summer. Omg I cant wait. I am the happiest I have ever been just torturing you. I love every second of it. You pathetic piece of crap.

I caught a good game yesterday between two mixed teams of 2018 purple and white. Couldn't tell the difference between purple girls and white girls on the one team. Other team had some good players as well. Team in purple uniforms roughed them up pretty good. I guess purple does have girls that should be on white and vice versa.

This person is very smart. Never bite off your nose to spite your face.

Your right I saw your daughter play. Not such a good day for her awhh, too bad seems like shes having alot of bad days lately. No worries with a mom like you she'll go far. lol just saying

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched all you BS and SS kiss assers at the Hofstra Tournament yesterday. Your a bunch of pathetic losers. Your going to be very surprised when rosters come out. TG are struggling to keep their heads above water. BS asked my daughter if he knew of any players because he is extremely short handed on 2021 and 2018 teams. Ummm looks like its catching up with you BS (you [lacrosse]). Lets stop the nonsense above about whose team is better, lets just prove it on the field. It will speak for itself. He lost a lot of great players and he is SCREWED. Lets talk statistics after or during the summer season. You idiot.

Wow, to quote your own words - what a "pathetic loser" you are! Your life must really suck...your poor daughter has to try to succeed while having you as a parent. She's been dealt a tough hand. I wish her the best of luck...poor kid...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 there was over 150 girls there at tryouts. The 2022 tryouts there were over 50 girls there. The 2022 team has a Black and Purple, so there are 2 teams that will be fielded this upcoming summer. 2022 just had two teams play at the Hofstra tournament. There were 12 on each team and it is known that there were at least another 15 kids that have paid that could not make the tournament this weekend. I know that the 2022 Black team did very well playing against mostly 2021 teams on Saturday. Future is bright for TG in the younger ages.

Over 150 girls at tryouts, not a chance , your bigger issue is when kids are leaving your top teams it tells you something is wrong. I like the Smiths and wish them luck but I saw several more in his lower age groups from the top teams trying to position themselves to move over to YJ. A few more and the ship begins to sink. If the girls on TG black were told they could play YJ blue my guess is more than half would be gone, that's not a good sign.My child plays YJ and its not perfect but you rarely if ever get kids on top team to leave.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched all you BS and SS kiss assers at the Hofstra Tournament yesterday. Your a bunch of pathetic losers. Your going to be very surprised when rosters come out. TG are struggling to keep their heads above water. BS asked my daughter if he knew of any players because he is extremely short handed on 2021 and 2018 teams. Ummm looks like its catching up with you BS (you [lacrosse]). Lets stop the nonsense above about whose team is better, lets just prove it on the field. It will speak for itself. He lost a lot of great players and he is SCREWED. Lets talk statistics after or during the summer season. You idiot.

Do you really think for 1 minute that the "stats" from a summer club matter in the grand scheme of things? If you do, you're the idiot! If a girl is that good she WILL get noticed regardless of what club she plays for. The outcome of these summer games, especially for the younger girls means nothing! I guarentee that not one recruiter asked any girl what the score of her National Draw game was when she was in 5th grade. MANY MANY of you need to get a grip on reality.

exactly!!! well said. Black girls leaving. Enough said. Team is headed overboard.

You get them to leave when TG black kids come and take their spot. LOL

TG abd YG not even in the same league. YG will be around forever where I give TG a couple of years maybe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 there was over 150 girls there at tryouts. The 2022 tryouts there were over 50 girls there. The 2022 team has a Black and Purple, so there are 2 teams that will be fielded this upcoming summer. 2022 just had two teams play at the Hofstra tournament. There were 12 on each team and it is known that there were at least another 15 kids that have paid that could not make the tournament this weekend. I know that the 2022 Black team did very well playing against mostly 2021 teams on Saturday. Future is bright for TG in the younger ages.

Over 150 girls at tryouts, not a chance , your bigger issue is when kids are leaving your top teams it tells you something is wrong. I like the Smiths and wish them luck but I saw several more in his lower age groups from the top teams trying to position themselves to move over to YJ. A few more and the ship begins to sink. If the girls on TG black were told they could play YJ blue my guess is more than half would be gone, that's not a good sign.My child plays YJ and its not perfect but you rarely if ever get kids on top team to leave.

So what's to say about the YJ's turn TG's that were at Hofstra Tourney. that were on Blue and Gold? Quite a Few left YJ's too, If you are going to say something at least be truthful.

what dont you get. I believe your the idiot my friend. College coaches do not like BS. They have respect for SS but do not like BS. I have already went down this route with my daughter and college coaches wont even speak to you if you are associated with BS.

I really do feel bad for all of you thinking that your going anywhere with these people. I watched some of the black teams play at tournament and I was not impressed. They need some serious guidance and coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what dont you get. I believe your the idiot my friend. College coaches do not like BS. They have respect for SS but do not like BS. I have already went down this route with my daughter and college coaches wont even speak to you if you are associated with BS.

Whatever! you or your daughter are the ones no one will speak to, I guess getting dropped of 2017 really hurt you huh? By the way, did she make another team? or is it trying out for the 5th yellow jacket 2017? Stop being bitter, no matter what you say, people over here in TG land are not worried nor do we care who goes or stays. once again Everyone is replaceable. I saw a lot of YJ Stickers at Hofstra Tourney yesterday and no they weren't spectators they were new TG's. People leave teams for many reasons all the time. Addition by subtraction is what it's called, 5 TG blacks left, still left 19 still. Not exactly a mass exodus. with the addition of the YJ's should pretty much balance out.

We see why you got dropped, no one wants to deal with you on the forum, in person or on the team.

You know whats really sad? The fact that I spoke to at least 4 parents yesterday from several different age groups and colors that stated they will take the $500 hit. They are all trying out for yellow jackets. People dont care about funding Bill Smith's appetite for fine restaurants, they just want their children to have the best. Really sad. So if there is 4 I know of then god knows how many are really leaving. Forget about TG because their tryouts are over. He has got to be [lacrosse] his pants.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really do feel bad for all of you thinking that your going anywhere with these people. I watched some of the black teams play at tournament and I was not impressed. They need some serious guidance and coaching.

Why worry about us? As long as you are going places with your team, nothing else matters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what dont you get. I believe your the idiot my friend. College coaches do not like BS. They have respect for SS but do not like BS. I have already went down this route with my daughter and college coaches wont even speak to you if you are associated with BS.

Right that is why TG has no college commitments. He was surely helpful with my Daughter

What the [lacrosse] are you even talking about?? To The two people having what appears to be a "personal" fight - maybe you should start your own thread so the rest of us do not have to be subjected to this nonsense!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what dont you get. I believe your the idiot my friend. College coaches do not like BS. They have respect for SS but do not like BS. I have already went down this route with my daughter and college coaches wont even speak to you if you are associated with BS.

Right that is why TG has no college commitments. He was surely helpful with my Daughter

Mine also, I guess those are all made up commitments on the TG website.

[quote=Anonymous]TG abd YG not even in the same league. YG will be around forever where I give TG a couple of years maybe.

Thank you Notradamas

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You know whats really sad? The fact that I spoke to at least 4 parents yesterday from several different age groups and colors that stated they will take the $500 hit. They are all trying out for yellow jackets. People dont care about funding Bill Smith's appetite for fine restaurants, they just want their children to have the best. Really sad. So if there is 4 I know of then god knows how many are really leaving. Forget about TG because their tryouts are over. He has got to be [lacrosse] his pants.

LIAR, So you came to spy at the tourney, BS spoked to your daughter, and now you spoke to 4 different parents that were leaving. Get your story straight, you are reaching. stop trying to rally folks to go to YJ with you, you are there or trying out because you have no choice, we are here because our daughters were picked to be here, not picked to be kicked out like yourself.

Right wise guy.. you just have to jump through hoops is all. Maybe your Daughter is exceptional like you.

I am not even on 2017 Ms know it all. You are soo stupid. I must go to church and pray for you now. Bye for now you by far are the most ignorant and self centered person I know. Straight to [lacrosse] for you. God does not like UGLY both inside and out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Right wise guy.. you just have to jump through hoops is all. Maybe your Daughter is exceptional like you.

My daughter is exceptional, just like her mother and I.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am not even on 2017 Ms know it all. You are soo stupid. I must go to church and pray for you now. Bye for now you by far are the most ignorant and self centered person I know. Straight to [lacrosse] for you. God does not like UGLY both inside and out.

LMAO! Yes you are. Don't tempt me to reveal you, for the sake of your daughter I won't do that. but keep on pushing Mr.

exceptionally what? is the question. If your talking about an expceptional player that she is not. An exceptional person, she is not. Ummmmm

Im so confused am I on yg or tg? Ms. know it all, can you answer this please. xoxo

What is yg? Yellow Girls???hmm

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what dont you get. I believe your the idiot my friend. College coaches do not like BS. They have respect for SS but do not like BS. I have already went down this route with my daughter and college coaches wont even speak to you if you are associated with BS.

Right that is why TG has no college commitments. He was surely helpful with my Daughter

Mine also, I guess those are all made up commitments on the TG website.

Bill is helping my daughter get recruited right now and has been instrumental the whole way

Thank you for the entertainment! Everyone, read what you are writing. It's all very comical.

Please reveal me you [lacrosse]... because the only one that is going to be embarrassed is you. you [lacrosse] I mean moron..

I thought these posts were moderated. How can this be allowed on a forum that is supposed to HELP people learn about lacrosse programs? If the moderator would not post this silliness, maybe it would stop and we can get some real information about girls lacrosse. Moderator, please delete any posts that having nothing to do with lacrosse and include slanderous statements about top level administrators. Thank you in advance. What started as a helpful site has turned into a waste of energy.

maybe the moderator agrees? Who's a top level administrator? YOU? hahahahahahahaha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought these posts were moderated. How can this be allowed on a forum that is supposed to HELP people learn about lacrosse programs? If the moderator would not post this silliness, maybe it would stop and we can get some real information about girls lacrosse. Moderator, please delete any posts that having nothing to do with lacrosse and include slanderous statements about top level administrators. Thank you in advance. What started as a helpful site has turned into a waste of energy.

Then why waste your time?....go away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought these posts were moderated. How can this be allowed on a forum that is supposed to HELP people learn about lacrosse programs? If the moderator would not post this silliness, maybe it would stop and we can get some real information about girls lacrosse. Moderator, please delete any posts that having nothing to do with lacrosse and include slanderous statements about top level administrators. Thank you in advance. What started as a helpful site has turned into a waste of energy.

Maybe they should only allow registered users here, would be helpful. A lot of the looneys would disappear.

Case and point!! Sometimes the truth hurts.

We like top guns and so does our daughter and that matters to us. I am glad that you do not like top guns because I would not want to end up on a sideline with you.

Its a big world and if people aren't happy then they should look around but there will always be another girl to happily field their position.

It is a business and if you cant handle that then you shouldn't play anywhere. Good luck to you though I feel badly that you are so consumed with a club that others are benefiting greatly from.

CR as well....what makes you think college coaches like dealing with her?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 there was over 150 girls there at tryouts. The 2022 tryouts there were over 50 girls there. The 2022 team has a Black and Purple, so there are 2 teams that will be fielded this upcoming summer. 2022 just had two teams play at the Hofstra tournament. There were 12 on each team and it is known that there were at least another 15 kids that have paid that could not make the tournament this weekend. I know that the 2022 Black team did very well playing against mostly 2021 teams on Saturday. Future is bright for TG in the younger ages.

losing to town teams. is that good?

Tell someone who cares about your opinion because I certainly don't.

Benefiting from? That's a joke... Thanks for the laughs, I'm always up for a good joke..hence, you and your opinion. Good luck, sounds like your going to need it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2021 there was over 150 girls there at tryouts. The 2022 tryouts there were over 50 girls there. The 2022 team has a Black and Purple, so there are 2 teams that will be fielded this upcoming summer. 2022 just had two teams play at the Hofstra tournament. There were 12 on each team and it is known that there were at least another 15 kids that have paid that could not make the tournament this weekend. I know that the 2022 Black team did very well playing against mostly 2021 teams on Saturday. Future is bright for TG in the younger ages.

Over 150 girls at tryouts, not a chance , your bigger issue is when kids are leaving your top teams it tells you something is wrong. I like the Smiths and wish them luck but I saw several more in his lower age groups from the top teams trying to position themselves to move over to YJ. A few more and the ship begins to sink. If the girls on TG black were told they could play YJ blue my guess is more than half would be gone, that's not a good sign.My child plays YJ and its not perfect but you rarely if ever get kids on top team to leave.

So what's to say about the YJ's turn TG's that were at Hofstra Tourney. that were on Blue and Gold? Quite a Few left YJ's too, If you are going to say something at least be truthful. [/quote

Here's the truth , your an idiot and a liar . Please tell us which YJ top team lost kids to TG . By the way my YJ kid played in your tournament this weekend was not all TG players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2021 there was over 150 girls there at tryouts. The 2022 tryouts there were over 50 girls there. The 2022 team has a Black and Purple, so there are 2 teams that will be fielded this upcoming summer. 2022 just had two teams play at the Hofstra tournament. There were 12 on each team and it is known that there were at least another 15 kids that have paid that could not make the tournament this weekend. I know that the 2022 Black team did very well playing against mostly 2021 teams on Saturday. Future is bright for TG in the younger ages.

Over 150 girls at tryouts, not a chance , your bigger issue is when kids are leaving your top teams it tells you something is wrong. I like the Smiths and wish them luck but I saw several more in his lower age groups from the top teams trying to position themselves to move over to YJ. A few more and the ship begins to sink. If the girls on TG black were told they could play YJ blue my guess is more than half would be gone, that's not a good sign.My child plays YJ and its not perfect but you rarely if ever get kids on top team to leave.

So what's to say about the YJ's turn TG's that were at Hofstra Tourney. that were on Blue and Gold? Quite a Few left YJ's too, If you are going to say something at least be truthful. [/quote

Here's the truth , your an idiot and a liar . Please tell us which YJ top team lost kids to TG . By the way my YJ kid played in your tournament this weekend was not all TG players.

If you are so called YJ, then you should know who they are and what age group. Stop looking for attention you miserable little person. I can guarantee you quite a few YJ blue and golds are now TG. You wouldn't know as you have not yet made the YJ team. tryouts are next month.

So glad you and your daughter like top guns. God bless you really..how old is she 10? Just wait. Your going to feel like you got got by a truck when BS gets done with you. I really can't believe people are on here commenting on 2021 and 2022 teams. Ny god people get a life. You should be focusing on positive things spending family time, vacations, etc, not this crap

And as for person saying they don't know of their on yellow jackets yet. Yes they do. Your obviously not too swift. Just like at BS tryouts he knows the teams before they arrive except for the ones that paid him off with gift certificates to his favorite eateries.

CR got SS into college didn't she? Big mouth! What's the matter cat got upur tongue? BS cannot control himself

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CR got SS into college didn't she? Big mouth! What's the matter cat got upur tongue? BS cannot control himself

CR did not get SS into college. SS worked her butt off to get into college. If CR had her way SS would have gone to ND because CR had promised her to the ND head coach. When SS chose to go to NW over ND ......That's when the friction between CR and the Smith family started. How dare a 19 year old embarrass the great CR like that!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2021 there was over 150 girls there at tryouts. The 2022 tryouts there were over 50 girls there. The 2022 team has a Black and Purple, so there are 2 teams that will be fielded this upcoming summer. 2022 just had two teams play at the Hofstra tournament. There were 12 on each team and it is known that there were at least another 15 kids that have paid that could not make the tournament this weekend. I know that the 2022 Black team did very well playing against mostly 2021 teams on Saturday. Future is bright for TG in the younger ages.

Over 150 girls at tryouts, not a chance , your bigger issue is when kids are leaving your top teams it tells you something is wrong. I like the Smiths and wish them luck but I saw several more in his lower age groups from the top teams trying to position themselves to move over to YJ. A few more and the ship begins to sink. If the girls on TG black were told they could play YJ blue my guess is more than half would be gone, that's not a good sign.My child plays YJ and its not perfect but you rarely if ever get kids on top team to leave.

So what's to say about the YJ's turn TG's that were at Hofstra Tourney. that were on Blue and Gold? Quite a Few left YJ's too, If you are going to say something at least be truthful. [/quote

Here's the truth , your an idiot and a liar . Please tell us which YJ top team lost kids to TG . By the way my YJ kid played in your tournament this weekend was not all TG players.

If you are so called YJ, then you should know who they are and what age group. Stop looking for attention you miserable little person. I can guarantee you quite a few YJ blue and golds are now TG. You wouldn't know as you have not yet made the YJ team. tryouts are next month.

I feel bad because you must be disabled but here goes , name the age , you cannot because you are either disabled or a liar .Your TG top players are begging to leave , so many willing to forfeit the 500 deposit it's out of control . Elevate now better than TG only a matter of time before you are behind 91 , lol. Sadly TG has peaked and already on the decline .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2021 there was over 150 girls there at tryouts. The 2022 tryouts there were over 50 girls there. The 2022 team has a Black and Purple, so there are 2 teams that will be fielded this upcoming summer. 2022 just had two teams play at the Hofstra tournament. There were 12 on each team and it is known that there were at least another 15 kids that have paid that could not make the tournament this weekend. I know that the 2022 Black team did very well playing against mostly 2021 teams on Saturday. Future is bright for TG in the younger ages.

Over 150 girls at tryouts, not a chance , your bigger issue is when kids are leaving your top teams it tells you something is wrong. I like the Smiths and wish them luck but I saw several more in his lower age groups from the top teams trying to position themselves to move over to YJ. A few more and the ship begins to sink. If the girls on TG black were told they could play YJ blue my guess is more than half would be gone, that's not a good sign.My child plays YJ and its not perfect but you rarely if ever get kids on top team to leave.

So what's to say about the YJ's turn TG's that were at Hofstra Tourney. that were on Blue and Gold? Quite a Few left YJ's too, If you are going to say something at least be truthful. [/quote

Here's the truth , your an idiot and a liar . Please tell us which YJ top team lost kids to TG . By the way my YJ kid played in your tournament this weekend was not all TG players.

If you are so called YJ, then you should know who they are and what age group. Stop looking for attention you miserable little person. I can guarantee you quite a few YJ blue and golds are now TG. You wouldn't know as you have not yet made the YJ team. tryouts are next month.

I feel bad because you must be disabled but here goes , name the age , you cannot because you are either disabled or a liar .Your TG top players are begging to leave , so many willing to forfeit the 500 deposit it's out of control . Elevate now better than TG only a matter of time before you are behind 91 , lol. Sadly TG has peaked and already on the decline .

Just Go away! No one respond to the reject who keeps coming back, Hates TG and everything involved but still manages to go to tournaments and has no kid playing. He has a weird obsession with this club, and can't move on. Let's just all ignore him and his negative, incoherent comments. It's just very sad, I feel badly for him and his daughter, as we can get of the page or skim over his sillyness, but his daughter is stuck with him 24-7..Poor Girl!

Let's not feed the TROLL any longer.

No she did not....CR had zero to do with that....you are clueless

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CR got SS into college didn't she? Big mouth! What's the matter cat got upur tongue? BS cannot control himself

CR did not get SS into college. SS worked her butt off to get into college. If CR had her way SS would have gone to ND because CR had promised her to the ND head coach. When SS chose to go to NW over ND ......That's when the friction between CR and the Smith family started. How dare a 19 year old embarrass the great CR like that!

SS and her family thought it was silly to pay the CR recruiting fee and did all their own leg work. Sorry CR, every now and then someone stands up to a bully!

"Let's not feed the TROLL any longer."

Good to hear your on a diet, jk. The thing is you have someone stating kids have left the top YJ teams to go to TG and I think thats just someone who either is ignorant of the truth or making stuff up to make themselves feel better.Someone asked for more specifics yet none are given.Why do I care, because if thats the case it may impact my daughters chance at making top YJ team ,same way having a lot of TG top players come over would .

"Do not feed the Troll"

Why is it that if someone comes on this site and says anything negative towards tg you are all over them like flies on ...... I mean you truly are insane. Yes it might be both ways. But whomever stated that there are a ton of tg girls leaving the answer is YES indeed. I heard the same thing. Now ar the yellow jackets stating the same maybe. Everybody is moving around, why is so hard to get accross your pea sized brain when your daughter is probably not even of recruiting age. People are concerned and have every right to be. The Organization is clearly on a decline. SS needs to grab the bull by the horns and make things right. The coaching is horrific. My daughters coaches last year were coached while her coaches were sitting on the grass. Come on for petes sake. No one says you have to hate the Smiths but for the love of god they are robbing everyone. They are not coaching. Moving players that are not talented to high teams and the GIRLS are get discouraged not only the parents. So please take your head out of the sand and see whats going on around you. And no it may not matter to YOU what team your daughter is on but god dam if your daughter is getting looked over by a non talented player then hey theres a problem somewhere. But you must understand not everyone is benefiting from this. Maybe you or the non-talented player that got moved up but not the girl thats working her butt off and nothing is happening for her. Please look at all sides and STOP the critizing and saying everyone is lying because they are not.

If you really think that a man would come to a tournament and not have a kid playing you are as stated truly delusional. Come on.. He is obviously looking out for his daughters best interest and is obviously on a TG team but not happy but maybe his daughter is. I actually commend him. Because its not about the parents at some point its about the kids. You think a kid wants to leave after spending a most part of their summer with the same girls year after year. And a parent has to make a decsion what is best for their daughter. I mean you have to be really uneducated to write something like that about someone. You are the one no one should listen to. It is happening all around you and you dont even see it. Open your eyes!!!!! If I were that man I would take my chances. From a parent that has friends with daughters in other organizations do the same shannanigans happen yes of course. But, get out of this crap while you can. Be an adult and guide your child in the right direction and keep off this thread bashing everyone. (because they are all liars) because your are MRS. TOPGUN and you know it all.

Well said... MRS TOPGUN. So true.... Her daughter is probably in 5th grade at most. It looks likes shes on all the time. Clearly she has nothing to do. BS couldnt make it more obvious when he does try outs that he keeps same teams together. But, that when he gets sneaky, after the emails come out girls start poking around and parents start calling. Oh my daughter "GOT MOVED UP". BS called me personally and invited my daughter up to BLACK. I feel like saying ok lady, your daughter is a lazy player and how much did you have to pay him. We are not stupid but we do it for our kids. Thats why the BLACK teams are so weak becauswe the players are non deserving with a few exceptions of course.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you really think that a man would come to a tournament and not have a kid playing you are as stated truly delusional. Come on.. He is obviously looking out for his daughters best interest and is obviously on a TG team but not happy but maybe his daughter is. I actually commend him. Because its not about the parents at some point its about the kids. You think a kid wants to leave after spending a most part of their summer with the same girls year after year. And a parent has to make a decsion what is best for their daughter. I mean you have to be really uneducated to write something like that about someone. You are the one no one should listen to. It is happening all around you and you dont even see it. Open your eyes!!!!! If I were that man I would take my chances. From a parent that has friends with daughters in other organizations do the same shannanigans happen yes of course. But, get out of this crap while you can. Be an adult and guide your child in the right direction and keep off this thread bashing everyone. (because they are all liars) because your are MRS. TOPGUN and you know it all.

If you are TG and so unhappy the only solution for you is to leave and go be happy elsewhere.. What you are not getting is no one cares about your opinion or gripes, everyone knows what works for them and what doesn't, so we don't need you "Mr save a parent from TG" to tell us what to do with our kids. Take your kid and hit the road. We just don't care what you have to say even though you have every right to speak you mind, WE JUST DON'T CARE, nor does your opinion matter in what decisions we make for our children. No one is forcing you to stay there, you and your kid are free to go to another club. If I was so unhappy, I wouldn't skip a beat much less sit here everyday and b---- about it, I would have been gone a long time ago. What's keeping you here?? If you are in fact still here and not typing here out of vengeance because are already gone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Do not feed the Troll"

Why is it that if someone comes on this site and says anything negative towards tg you are all over them like flies on ...... I mean you truly are insane. Yes it might be both ways. But whomever stated that there are a ton of tg girls leaving the answer is YES indeed. I heard the same thing. Now ar the yellow jackets stating the same maybe. Everybody is moving around, why is so hard to get accross your pea sized brain when your daughter is probably not even of recruiting age. People are concerned and have every right to be. The Organization is clearly on a decline. SS needs to grab the bull by the horns and make things right. The coaching is horrific. My daughters coaches last year were coached while her coaches were sitting on the grass. Come on for petes sake. No one says you have to hate the Smiths but for the love of god they are robbing everyone. They are not coaching. Moving players that are not talented to high teams and the GIRLS are get discouraged not only the parents. So please take your head out of the sand and see whats going on around you. And no it may not matter to YOU what team your daughter is on but god dam if your daughter is getting looked over by a non talented player then hey theres a problem somewhere. But you must understand not everyone is benefiting from this. Maybe you or the non-talented player that got moved up but not the girl thats working her butt off and nothing is happening for her. Please look at all sides and STOP the critizing and saying everyone is lying because they are not.

If the club is on a decline, why are you still so obsessed with it? Leave us alone if we want to still play there. I see what they mean by when someone doesn't make the team or gets cut how crazy they become.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you really think that a man would come to a tournament and not have a kid playing you are as stated truly delusional. Come on.. He is obviously looking out for his daughters best interest and is obviously on a TG team but not happy but maybe his daughter is. I actually commend him. Because its not about the parents at some point its about the kids. You think a kid wants to leave after spending a most part of their summer with the same girls year after year. And a parent has to make a decsion what is best for their daughter. I mean you have to be really uneducated to write something like that about someone. You are the one no one should listen to. It is happening all around you and you dont even see it. Open your eyes!!!!! If I were that man I would take my chances. From a parent that has friends with daughters in other organizations do the same shannanigans happen yes of course. But, get out of this crap while you can. Be an adult and guide your child in the right direction and keep off this thread bashing everyone. (because they are all liars) because your are MRS. TOPGUN and you know it all.

Nope he was trolling, Kid doesnt play for TG, Got cut and he's pissed.

YOU ARE AN IGNORANT COW!!!!! A LOSER AND SO IS YOUR DAUGHTER, SHE WILL NEVER AMOUNT TO ANYTHING LIKE YOURSELF. A BIG FAT COW. GO GRAZE NOW. THE TRUTH HURTS YOU BEAST. BYE BYE, AND ITS A FREE COUNTRY I WILL JUST COME ON EVERY DAY TO AGGRAVATE YOU AND MAKE YOUR LIFE MORE MISERABLE IF THAT IS EVEN POSSIBLE BECAUSE THE LIFE THAT YOU HAVE IS JUST PATHETIC AND YOU ARE A CHEATER.

Im hysterical laughing.How can you be soo studpid???? I am on TG you moron for the last time I did not get cut. I will see you on the field. Arent you saying at anytime HMMMM who is this person. You creep I know who you are and believe me you will get what you deserve this is your year my friend. I cant wait. I will be sitting right next to you. Hint Hint

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YOU ARE AN IGNORANT COW!!!!! A LOSER AND SO IS YOUR DAUGHTER, SHE WILL NEVER AMOUNT TO ANYTHING LIKE YOURSELF. A BIG FAT COW. GO GRAZE NOW. THE TRUTH HURTS YOU BEAST. BYE BYE, AND ITS A FREE COUNTRY I WILL JUST COME ON EVERY DAY TO AGGRAVATE YOU AND MAKE YOUR LIFE MORE MISERABLE IF THAT IS EVEN POSSIBLE BECAUSE THE LIFE THAT YOU HAVE IS JUST PATHETIC AND YOU ARE A CHEATER.

LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you really think that a man would come to a tournament and not have a kid playing you are as stated truly delusional. Come on.. He is obviously looking out for his daughters best interest and is obviously on a TG team but not happy but maybe his daughter is. I actually commend him. Because its not about the parents at some point its about the kids. You think a kid wants to leave after spending a most part of their summer with the same girls year after year. And a parent has to make a decsion what is best for their daughter. I mean you have to be really uneducated to write something like that about someone. You are the one no one should listen to. It is happening all around you and you dont even see it. Open your eyes!!!!! If I were that man I would take my chances. From a parent that has friends with daughters in other organizations do the same shannanigans happen yes of course. But, get out of this crap while you can. Be an adult and guide your child in the right direction and keep off this thread bashing everyone. (because they are all liars) because your are MRS. TOPGUN and you know it all.

Nope he was trolling, Kid doesnt play for TG, Got cut and he's pissed.

Is he from Westhampton?

she is right.

Looking at all this nonsense is ridiculous. You should be ashamed of yourselves. But, your not. Theres always one out of the group that wants to get a rise out of someone. That seems like MS. TOPGUN. Its Karma it will come her way leave her alone and dont let her ruffle your feathers. I know who they are. I am not sure if the father or mother is worse. They will get theirs. They are the ones benefiting from this great organization.

WOW!!! he really told her. Seems like hes pissed at her. Always two sides to a story.

wow. Are they that bad. They sound like horrible people? I am in shock. If they are evil, I hope they get theirs.

LMAO this is sooo true

When are rosters getting posted? Will it be before the fall tournaments? Wish I listened to the poster who said to skip the 7v7, was not worth getting out of bed for and a waste of money. Won't be at the rest of them. Hope it's not a sign of what's in store, some of the 17s could not catch a ball.

Free hot dogs for BS. That is only reason why her daughter is playing.

yes from westhampton, LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When are rosters getting posted? Will it be before the fall tournaments? Wish I listened to the poster who said to skip the 7v7, was not worth getting out of bed for and a waste of money. Won't be at the rest of them. Hope it's not a sign of what's in store, some of the 17s could not catch a ball.

The rosters will get posted when they have enough kids to field a team which at this point sounds like is a challenge. If you think its bad now, wait until the summer - its not too late to reach out to another club!

I don't know when rosters will be posted and yes you should of listened to the poster that told you to skip it. It is and always be a waste of time. And yes it is unfortunately what you have in store for you. It doesnt change. Maybe youll be one of the lucky chosen ones. You never know. Good luck to you. Really, not even being sarcastic. All these things that people post might sound negative and are but they are the TRUTH. Unfortunaly, we have to find out for ourselves. If we dont find out the hard way it would be giving the negative people right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When are rosters getting posted? Will it be before the fall tournaments? Wish I listened to the poster who said to skip the 7v7, was not worth getting out of bed for and a waste of money. Won't be at the rest of them. Hope it's not a sign of what's in store, some of the 17s could not catch a ball.

It's not too late to go to YJ. Your daughter was probably one of the girls who couldn't catch anyway

Yeah smarty, Im posting that about my daughter. You are obnoxious like they stated above. Someone told me it was your daughter. I heard she cant throw to save her life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know when rosters will be posted and yes you should of listened to the poster that told you to skip it. It is and always be a waste of time. And yes it is unfortunately what you have in store for you. It doesnt change. Maybe youll be one of the lucky chosen ones. You never know. Good luck to you. Really, not even being sarcastic. All these things that people post might sound negative and are but they are the TRUTH. Unfortunaly, we have to find out for ourselves. If we dont find out the hard way it would be giving the negative people right.

We didn't think it was a waste of time, anytime the girls can get together in off season to play and not break the bank is great! I will take advantage of all 3 sessions to make sure my girls are out there bonding with their teammates, getting practice and using their stick. Not sure what you were expecting, no one said it was a recruiting or championship tournament, Just a day for the girls to get some lax in. Maybe this club isn't for you and you are better of elsewhere.

What town team did they lose to?

Still waiting for the list of what ages YJ lost kids from their top team to go to TG. SS needs to step in or she will end up losing a very good revenue source and just about the only players willing to go to Hofstra.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When are rosters getting posted? Will it be before the fall tournaments? Wish I listened to the poster who said to skip the 7v7, was not worth getting out of bed for and a waste of money. Won't be at the rest of them. Hope it's not a sign of what's in store, some of the 17s could not catch a ball.

I guess we see why 17 white got dropped? right dad?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When are rosters getting posted? Will it be before the fall tournaments? Wish I listened to the poster who said to skip the 7v7, was not worth getting out of bed for and a waste of money. Won't be at the rest of them. Hope it's not a sign of what's in store, some of the 17s could not catch a ball.

It's not too late to go to YJ. Your daughter was probably one of the girls who couldn't catch anyway

Awesome answer, was thinking the same thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When are rosters getting posted? Will it be before the fall tournaments? Wish I listened to the poster who said to skip the 7v7, was not worth getting out of bed for and a waste of money. Won't be at the rest of them. Hope it's not a sign of what's in store, some of the 17s could not catch a ball.

The rosters will get posted when they have enough kids to field a team which at this point sounds like is a challenge. If you think its bad now, wait until the summer - its not too late to reach out to another club!

You answered this already with the same answer, don't worry your daughters names not on it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Free hot dogs for BS. That is only reason why her daughter is playing.

Yup absolutely! I guess you never brought your hot dogs that's why yours got booted.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When are rosters getting posted? Will it be before the fall tournaments? Wish I listened to the poster who said to skip the 7v7, was not worth getting out of bed for and a waste of money. Won't be at the rest of them. Hope it's not a sign of what's in store, some of the 17s could not catch a ball.

Why in such a rush for the Rosters? I would like to see them also but not desperate, I know my daughter made her team and that's all that matters. Legacy, Elevate, haven't released theirs yet either. I'm sure they all have their reasons and it has nothing to do with not being able to field a team. Many girls would die for the chance to play, so just hush.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When are rosters getting posted? Will it be before the fall tournaments? Wish I listened to the poster who said to skip the 7v7, was not worth getting out of bed for and a waste of money. Won't be at the rest of them. Hope it's not a sign of what's in store, some of the 17s could not catch a ball.

It's not too late to go to YJ. Your daughter was probably one of the girls who couldn't catch anyway

Great don't come back!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still waiting for the list of what ages YJ lost kids from their top team to go to TG. SS needs to step in or she will end up losing a very good revenue source and just about the only players willing to go to Hofstra.

Guy, take it easy, why don't you wait for your YJ tryout and roster to see who left? Then you can find out. It wouldn't matter anyway, you're not YJ yet so you wouldn't know who they are even if someone told you. Wait for the 19th and just be quiet!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When are rosters getting posted? Will it be before the fall tournaments? Wish I listened to the poster who said to skip the 7v7, was not worth getting out of bed for and a waste of money. Won't be at the rest of them. Hope it's not a sign of what's in store, some of the 17s could not catch a ball.

Email BS and SS and ask them when rosters will be posted - I am sure they will respond.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When are rosters getting posted? Will it be before the fall tournaments? Wish I listened to the poster who said to skip the 7v7, was not worth getting out of bed for and a waste of money. Won't be at the rest of them. Hope it's not a sign of what's in store, some of the 17s could not catch a ball.

I bet you think your daughter was probably the best one out there, You're right! next time stay right in your bed. More playing time for other girls who have realistic parents.

I'm starting to think your the one who got booted. Because none of us did. Your a joke. If my daughter got booted from this low class club, I'd call it a day!

couldn't agree more. not meant to be a competitive tournament. a fun day for the girls to play some backyard lax. just what i expected and not disappointed. with top guns for a year now and first year was a great experience for my daughter and myself alike. that's the benefit of many lax programs. if you're not happy at one, look elsewhere. to each's own.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know when rosters will be posted and yes you should of listened to the poster that told you to skip it. It is and always be a waste of time. And yes it is unfortunately what you have in store for you. It doesnt change. Maybe youll be one of the lucky chosen ones. You never know. Good luck to you. Really, not even being sarcastic. All these things that people post might sound negative and are but they are the TRUTH. Unfortunaly, we have to find out for ourselves. If we dont find out the hard way it would be giving the negative people right.

We didn't think it was a waste of time, anytime the girls can get together in off season to play and not break the bank is great! I will take advantage of all 3 sessions to make sure my girls are out there bonding with their teammates, getting practice and using their stick. Not sure what you were expecting, no one said it was a recruiting or championship tournament, Just a day for the girls to get some lax in. Maybe this club isn't for you and you are better of elsewhere.

Great response brown nose, except my kid is not on TG.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

couldn't agree more. not meant to be a competitive tournament. a fun day for the girls to play some backyard lax. just what i expected and not disappointed. with top guns for a year now and first year was a great experience for my daughter and myself alike. that's the benefit of many lax programs. if you're not happy at one, look elsewhere. to each's own.

In reference to the statement that some of the girls couldn't catch a ball- keep in mind Most of the older TG girls who attend those 7v7 don't play any other sport, trust me when I say they could use any athletic exercise they can get and their parents gladly pay for a day that they are not laying in their bed on their cell phone with a bag of chips.

Listen to what your saying. Really!!!! The older tg girls. My daughter plays three sports in school. Field hockey, track and lacrosse. Its the parents fault. And, they dont BELONG on the top guns teams at all. This is the argument. THEY DONT BELONG!!! THEY DONT DESERVE IT. HOLY COW!!!!!!!! BUT, BS WILL TAKE THE CASH!!! AND MOVE ALL THE TEAMS AROUND AND UPSET ALL THE PARENTS. PEOPLE REALLY.

Love it!!! Your too funny.. Thought I saw something brown on the nose of two parents at the tournament. lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

couldn't agree more. not meant to be a competitive tournament. a fun day for the girls to play some backyard lax. just what i expected and not disappointed. with top guns for a year now and first year was a great experience for my daughter and myself alike. that's the benefit of many lax programs. if you're not happy at one, look elsewhere. to each's own.

In reference to the statement that some of the girls couldn't catch a ball- keep in mind Most of the older TG girls who attend those 7v7 don't play any other sport, trust me when I say they could use any athletic exercise they can get and their parents gladly pay for a day that they are not laying in their bed on their cell phone with a bag of chips.

You are incorrect in your assumption that the 17's girls are normally "laying in their bed on their cell phones with a bag of chips" my daughter was on that 17's team, she plays a varsity fall sport, as do most of the other girls on that team. She wanted to play the sport she loves, see friends again, all on the only day of the week she gets rest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know when rosters will be posted and yes you should of listened to the poster that told you to skip it. It is and always be a waste of time. And yes it is unfortunately what you have in store for you. It doesnt change. Maybe youll be one of the lucky chosen ones. You never know. Good luck to you. Really, not even being sarcastic. All these things that people post might sound negative and are but they are the TRUTH. Unfortunaly, we have to find out for ourselves. If we dont find out the hard way it would be giving the negative people right.

We didn't think it was a waste of time, anytime the girls can get together in off season to play and not break the bank is great! I will take advantage of all 3 sessions to make sure my girls are out there bonding with their teammates, getting practice and using their stick. Not sure what you were expecting, no one said it was a recruiting or championship tournament, Just a day for the girls to get some lax in. Maybe this club isn't for you and you are better of elsewhere.

Great response brown nose, except my kid is not on TG.

Oh sorry she didn't make a team

Why are you do quick to say oh she didn't make the team. Are you serious? You think it's an honor to play for such a dishonest organization? I'm embarrassed to say my daughter is on top guns and then here we go with then why? Because I can. It's what I'm going for now to be where I have to be in three years. Snd plus it ain't your business. How's that for you. You lowlife

I agree with all this nonsense. I'm embarrassed to be part of any tg team. And, if my daughter tryed out and didn't make a top gun team, I would never leave the house. It's not hard to make a team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are you do quick to say oh she didn't make the team. Are you serious? You think it's an honor to play for such a dishonest organization? I'm embarrassed to say my daughter is on top guns and then here we go with then why? Because I can. It's what I'm going for now to be where I have to be in three years. Snd plus it ain't your business. How's that for you. You lowlife

Dude you're fooling no one, we all already know, or better yet I'm going to put it out there as I know what exactly happened, Now don't be too mad at me and call me all the names in the book, and you can still say hi when you come out to stalk us but your fellow TG's deserve to know what really is eating Gilbert's Grape. You are no longer on TG..but if you insist on this charade, then by all means keep going until you exhaust yourself and then go away! your daughter was 2017 and got cut when the white team was dissolved, you went to BS begging if she could be put on a different team and was still told NO!, That's why you really hate the man. Your manhood got stolen when you had to basically get on your knees to beg and was still rejected. The only thing you're embarrassed about is how it all went down., deep down you're crying inside.

Now don't try to yell and make it seem like I'm lying. I feel your pain, I would be crushed too, but I am grown enough to know when it's time to move on.

You all are so full of ...... It's not a competitive day. Please. I don't know which teams beat which teams but believe me we would if known if tg didn't win all their games. The ones that they care about.... The smiths would have been livid... The purple can never beat the black and so on and so forth. He creates his own enemies and SS lets him do it. He's a piece if work. And the fact that he thinks his [lacrosse] don't stink is hilarious... He's a joke. She's decent. I really don't think she knows what he does and says. Maybe she'll read a thread or two snd find out that he's ruining her name that she had worked so hard to establish or, I'm just a pushover and she is just as bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You all are so full of ...... It's not a competitive day. Please. I don't know which teams beat which teams but believe me we would if known if tg didn't win all their games. The ones that they care about.... The smiths would have been livid... The purple can never beat the black and so on and so forth. He creates his own enemies and SS lets him do it. He's a piece if work. And the fact that he thinks his [lacrosse] don't stink is hilarious... He's a joke. She's decent. I really don't think she knows what he does and says. Maybe she'll read a thread or two snd find out that he's ruining her name that she had worked so hard to establish or, I'm just a pushover and she is just as bad.

That's not true, my daughter has played in this tourn the past 3 years and every year her team has been a mix of black and purple girls, and yes it's been non competitive, and always a nice day of lacrosse.

Maybe BS should dress up like Santa and help Dave K. from Elevate hand out presents this holiday season. That might be the only way at this point to change your mind and see that deep down he is really just another dude like all the other dads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

couldn't agree more. not meant to be a competitive tournament. a fun day for the girls to play some backyard lax. just what i expected and not disappointed. with top guns for a year now and first year was a great experience for my daughter and myself alike. that's the benefit of many lax programs. if you're not happy at one, look elsewhere. to each's own.

In reference to the statement that some of the girls couldn't catch a ball- keep in mind Most of the older TG girls who attend those 7v7 don't play any other sport, trust me when I say they could use any athletic exercise they can get and their parents gladly pay for a day that they are not laying in their bed on their cell phone with a bag of chips.

You are incorrect in your assumption that the 17's girls are normally "laying in their bed on their cell phones with a bag of chips" my daughter was on that 17's team, she plays a varsity fall sport, as do most of the other girls on that team. She wanted to play the sport she loves, see friends again, all on the only day of the week she gets rest.

That's wonderful! How many girls showed up?

Wrong!! Nice try though. Sorry brother can't speak for me.

Your sick. You Actually concocted that story in your head. Maybe that's what happened to you or someone you know dude but not me. No begging to anyone here especially BS. Nice though "A" for effort.

What?

This is becoming as dysfunctional of a thread as the Shoreham-WR thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is becoming as dysfunctional of a thread as the Shoreham-WR thread.

Hi. I just wanted to take a moment to welcome ALL the new TG parents to the TG club. Now that your check has cleared you will really see the dysfunction that exists within the organization. Things to remember, you will never have any real friends at TG as they will talk behind the back of you and your kids any chance they get and dont turn your back when at a game (unless you have our protective vest on) or you will be pulling a knife out of it. This is going to be everything that you have promised and MORE. The fun is just getting started but wait until summer as that is when the real fun begins - fasten your seatbelt and enjoy the ride. Again, welcome aboard - we are glad you chose TG for your family's youth lacrosee experience!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When are rosters getting posted? Will it be before the fall tournaments? Wish I listened to the poster who said to skip the 7v7, was not worth getting out of bed for and a waste of money. Won't be at the rest of them. Hope it's not a sign of what's in store, some of the 17s could not catch a ball.

Why in such a rush for the Rosters? I would like to see them also but not desperate, I know my daughter made her team and that's all that matters. Legacy, Elevate, haven't released theirs yet either. I'm sure they all have their reasons and it has nothing to do with not being able to field a team. Many girls would die for the chance to play, so just hush.

Comparing TG to legacy - a new low....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is becoming as dysfunctional of a thread as the Shoreham-WR thread.

Hi. I just wanted to take a moment to welcome ALL the new TG parents to the TG club. Now that your check has cleared you will really see the dysfunction that exists within the organization. Things to remember, you will never have any real friends at TG as they will talk behind the back of you and your kids any chance they get and dont turn your back when at a game (unless you have our protective vest on) or you will be pulling a knife out of it. This is going to be everything that you have promised and MORE. The fun is just getting started but wait until summer as that is when the real fun begins - fasten your seatbelt and enjoy the ride. Again, welcome aboard - we are glad you chose TG for your family's youth lacrosee experience!

You should really go read the YJ sh@tstorm thread before you call any other club dysfunctional.

Every club has politics and dysfunction. All you need to do is pick your poison.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is becoming as dysfunctional of a thread as the Shoreham-WR thread.

Hi. I just wanted to take a moment to welcome ALL the new TG parents to the TG club. Now that your check has cleared you will really see the dysfunction that exists within the organization. Things to remember, you will never have any real friends at TG as they will talk behind the back of you and your kids any chance they get and dont turn your back when at a game (unless you have our protective vest on) or you will be pulling a knife out of it. This is going to be everything that you have promised and MORE. The fun is just getting started but wait until summer as that is when the real fun begins - fasten your seatbelt and enjoy the ride. Again, welcome aboard - we are glad you chose TG for your family's youth lacrosee experience!

You should really go read the YJ sh@tstorm thread before you call any other club dysfunctional.

Every club has politics and dysfunction. All you need to do is pick your poison.

I have never seen dysfunction and hate like this in any youth sports program. I have to say, I am quite shocked! It is also not just from former TG parents but current ones as well. No clue why they stay here when there are so many other options.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have never seen dysfunction and hate like this in any youth sports program. I have to say, I am quite shocked! It is also not just from former TG parents but current ones as well. No clue why they stay here when there are so many other options.

The dysfunction in this sport is bigger than just this club. It lurks throughout girl's travel lax (at least on Long Island). Fueled by a small percent (not that small though), that wouldn't say most of what they say unless it was anonymously. Many of these threads have turned into a virtual internet slambook for people involved girls lacrosse. Most of the perpetrators of these vicous attacks are the people who are well to do (upper middle class and above) who are used to getting their way if they cry loud enough, and the other half are dad's who themselves underachieved athletically, and wish they had sons, but are pushing their daughter's in what they feel would be the equivalent of football.

This small group of people and their postings, cause anxiety throughout the lacrosse community which further fuels issues and anxiety of the larger percentage of rational adults who's children play and participate. Once you come and read these boards, even if you don't post, they have an effect on you. No matter how rational and low key you may be.

Because most are not TG. They are crazy people , stirring the pot. This site and all lax threads should be better monitored or shut down. Just unhealthy for the Lax community

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is becoming as dysfunctional of a thread as the Shoreham-WR thread.

Hi. I just wanted to take a moment to welcome ALL the new TG parents to the TG club. Now that your check has cleared you will really see the dysfunction that exists within the organization. Things to remember, you will never have any real friends at TG as they will talk behind the back of you and your kids any chance they get and dont turn your back when at a game (unless you have our protective vest on) or you will be pulling a knife out of it. This is going to be everything that you have promised and MORE. The fun is just getting started but wait until summer as that is when the real fun begins - fasten your seatbelt and enjoy the ride. Again, welcome aboard - we are glad you chose TG for your family's youth lacrosee experience!

You should really go read the YJ sh@tstorm thread before you call any other club dysfunctional.

Every club has politics and dysfunction. All you need to do is pick your poison.

I have never seen dysfunction and hate like this in any youth sports program. I have to say, I am quite shocked! It is also not just from former TG parents but current ones as well. No clue why they stay here when there are so many other options.

Well, FWIW, I didn't see it when we were with TG. I'd say the largest chunk of drama right now stems from the 2020 mess. Or the 2017 girl who got cut (per hearsay here). Or Westhampton (and I have no idea what that's all about but it gets referenced regularly). I've never had a prob with BS, nor have I seen any of the other negative actions ascribed to him. Not saying it didn't happen but it can't be at the level some maintain if I never saw it over the years.

Your unhealthy for the lax community. Like said to another poster yesterday. We don't care about you. Worry about yourself and if you don't like it get off the thread and don't read it but you can't help yourself. Instead you'll try and guess everybody's individual situation. How about you get a job and be one of "the upper middle class". You need to know what's going on with your children's surroundings, negative especially. And for the guy who says people live through their daughters wishing they had sons. Speak for yourself dude. Get help. Speak to someone but either take the good with the bad or don't read.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your unhealthy for the lax community. Like said to another poster yesterday. We don't care about you. Worry about yourself and if you don't like it get off the thread and don't read it but you can't help yourself. Instead you'll try and guess everybody's individual situation. How about you get a job and be one of "the upper middle class". You need to know what's going on with your children's surroundings, negative especially. And for the guy who says people live through their daughters wishing they had sons. Speak for yourself dude. Get help. Speak to someone but either take the good with the bad or don't read.

Here goes the crazy 2017 dad, he stalks this page, because he just cant let it go... He's the reason the page has seriously disintegrated. He always comes crawling out his little hole to start trouble, it wasn't this bad until his daughter got cut, Now he's the most angriest and anti BS. He is basically on a warpath to try to destruct the club and any associated, just because he's no longer there.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is becoming as dysfunctional of a thread as the Shoreham-WR thread.

Hi. I just wanted to take a moment to welcome ALL the new TG parents to the TG club. Now that your check has cleared you will really see the dysfunction that exists within the organization. Things to remember, you will never have any real friends at TG as they will talk behind the back of you and your kids any chance they get and dont turn your back when at a game (unless you have our protective vest on) or you will be pulling a knife out of it. This is going to be everything that you have promised and MORE. The fun is just getting started but wait until summer as that is when the real fun begins - fasten your seatbelt and enjoy the ride. Again, welcome aboard - we are glad you chose TG for your family's youth lacrosee experience!

You should really go read the YJ sh@tstorm thread before you call any other club dysfunctional.

Every club has politics and dysfunction. All you need to do is pick your poison.

I have never seen dysfunction and hate like this in any youth sports program. I have to say, I am quite shocked! It is also not just from former TG parents but current ones as well. No clue why they stay here when there are so many other options.

Well, FWIW, I didn't see it when we were with TG. I'd say the largest chunk of drama right now stems from the 2020 mess. Or the 2017 girl who got cut (per hearsay here). Or Westhampton (and I have no idea what that's all about but it gets referenced regularly). I've never had a prob with BS, nor have I seen any of the other negative actions ascribed to him. Not saying it didn't happen but it can't be at the level some maintain if I never saw it over the years.

Time to go powder your nose you have some brown stuff on it. Defending BS behavior is impossible unless you have been around the guy so little. Do not play TG or YJ and I have witnessed his nonsense, I do however live in WB so have been around him more than most.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is becoming as dysfunctional of a thread as the Shoreham-WR thread.

Hi. I just wanted to take a moment to welcome ALL the new TG parents to the TG club. Now that your check has cleared you will really see the dysfunction that exists within the organization. Things to remember, you will never have any real friends at TG as they will talk behind the back of you and your kids any chance they get and dont turn your back when at a game (unless you have our protective vest on) or you will be pulling a knife out of it. This is going to be everything that you have promised and MORE. The fun is just getting started but wait until summer as that is when the real fun begins - fasten your seatbelt and enjoy the ride. Again, welcome aboard - we are glad you chose TG for your family's youth lacrosee experience!

You should really go read the YJ sh@tstorm thread before you call any other club dysfunctional.

Every club has politics and dysfunction. All you need to do is pick your poison.

I have never seen dysfunction and hate like this in any youth sports program. I have to say, I am quite shocked! It is also not just from former TG parents but current ones as well. No clue why they stay here when there are so many other options.

Well, FWIW, I didn't see it when we were with TG. I'd say the largest chunk of drama right now stems from the 2020 mess. Or the 2017 girl who got cut (per hearsay here). Or Westhampton (and I have no idea what that's all about but it gets referenced regularly). I've never had a prob with BS, nor have I seen any of the other negative actions ascribed to him. Not saying it didn't happen but it can't be at the level some maintain if I never saw it over the years.

Time to go powder your nose you have some brown stuff on it. Defending BS behavior is impossible unless you have been around the guy so little. Do not play TG or YJ and I have witnessed his nonsense, I do however live in WB so have been around him more than most.

ok crazy 2017 dad

what?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have never seen dysfunction and hate like this in any youth sports program. I have to say, I am quite shocked! It is also not just from former TG parents but current ones as well. No clue why they stay here when there are so many other options.

The dysfunction in this sport is bigger than just this club. It lurks throughout girl's travel lax (at least on Long Island). Fueled by a small percent (not that small though), that wouldn't say most of what they say unless it was anonymously. Many of these threads have turned into a virtual internet slambook for people involved girls lacrosse. Most of the perpetrators of these vicous attacks are the people who are well to do (upper middle class and above) who are used to getting their way if they cry loud enough, and the other half are dad's who themselves underachieved athletically, and wish they had sons, but are pushing their daughter's in what they feel would be the equivalent of football.

This small group of people and their postings, cause anxiety throughout the lacrosse community which further fuels issues and anxiety of the larger percentage of rational adults who's children play and participate. Once you come and read these boards, even if you don't post, they have an effect on you. No matter how rational and low key you may be.

Why does this only seem to be an LI issue? All the LI threads are constantly used for bashing parents and kids. Meanwhile the MD threads are crickets. All the while the beat our butts year in and year out. What are we doing wrong up here?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have never seen dysfunction and hate like this in any youth sports program. I have to say, I am quite shocked! It is also not just from former TG parents but current ones as well. No clue why they stay here when there are so many other options.

The dysfunction in this sport is bigger than just this club. It lurks throughout girl's travel lax (at least on Long Island). Fueled by a small percent (not that small though), that wouldn't say most of what they say unless it was anonymously. Many of these threads have turned into a virtual internet slambook for people involved girls lacrosse. Most of the perpetrators of these vicous attacks are the people who are well to do (upper middle class and above) who are used to getting their way if they cry loud enough, and the other half are dad's who themselves underachieved athletically, and wish they had sons, but are pushing their daughter's in what they feel would be the equivalent of football.

This small group of people and their postings, cause anxiety throughout the lacrosse community which further fuels issues and anxiety of the larger percentage of rational adults who's children play and participate. Once you come and read these boards, even if you don't post, they have an effect on you. No matter how rational and low key you may be.

Why does this only seem to be an LI issue? All the LI threads are constantly used for bashing parents and kids. Meanwhile the MD threads are crickets. All the while the beat our butts year in and year out. What are we doing wrong up here?

There are a lot of people here on Long Island that worry so much about their image, nice car, McMansion, and unfortunately their kid falls into the category of a commodity that needs to be better than their neighbors (like their car and house).

Now there are many who do it for the right reasons as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have never seen dysfunction and hate like this in any youth sports program. I have to say, I am quite shocked! It is also not just from former TG parents but current ones as well. No clue why they stay here when there are so many other options.

The dysfunction in this sport is bigger than just this club. It lurks throughout girl's travel lax (at least on Long Island). Fueled by a small percent (not that small though), that wouldn't say most of what they say unless it was anonymously. Many of these threads have turned into a virtual internet slambook for people involved girls lacrosse. Most of the perpetrators of these vicous attacks are the people who are well to do (upper middle class and above) who are used to getting their way if they cry loud enough, and the other half are dad's who themselves underachieved athletically, and wish they had sons, but are pushing their daughter's in what they feel would be the equivalent of football.

This small group of people and their postings, cause anxiety throughout the lacrosse community which further fuels issues and anxiety of the larger percentage of rational adults who's children play and participate. Once you come and read these boards, even if you don't post, they have an effect on you. No matter how rational and low key you may be.

Why does this only seem to be an LI issue? All the LI threads are constantly used for bashing parents and kids. Meanwhile the MD threads are crickets. All the while the beat our butts year in and year out. What are we doing wrong up here?

BOTC is LI centric. They could actually do a much better job structuring the thread locations for the MD clubs, but they aren't on the main forum with all the threads that get action. Instead MD clubs are left to stir pots on yj and tg threads. If you have been monitoring the threads you know they are just as troublesome and problematic. If you had M&D and Skywalker threads on main board, many tg and yj parents would go on, cut into teams and players, back and forth, would have as much traffic as yj, tg.

Isn't there a fall tournament coming soon? Any info? Nothing on website. Supposed to be posted October 1st

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Isn't there a fall tournament coming soon? Any info? Nothing on website. Supposed to be posted October 1st

Along with the rosters

If your daughter's team is playing in a fall tournament you would have received an email

Ok. Then maybe today they'll post information. I hope so, I'm anxious to see who my daughter's teammates will be and plan my schedule accordingly.

Any team that is plying in a fall tournament has been emailed all of the tournament info. If you have not received the email just call BS he will tell you. Rosters have not been posted till Nov/Dec in the past . Don't look for them to be any sooner than that. If you made a team and want to find out who else is on the team sign up for the 7v7 tournament and you will meet many of them there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your daughter's team is playing in a fall tournament you would have received an email

Not all teams and kids play - it's just the chosen ones and the ones with the daddy's that complain the most.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok. Then maybe today they'll post information. I hope so, I'm anxious to see who my daughter's teammates will be and plan my schedule accordingly.

They sent info yesterday so if you didn't get it yet maybe you'll get it today. calm down with the rosters. why can't you just see her teammates at the first practice? if i were bs i wouldn't even post rosters. why bother?

You are a nasty person. Slow your roll. Just asking a question

What I've heard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What I've heard.

Why wouldn't BS just send out the roster to the team when the kids were selected? Such less drama - they can see who is on the team with them and not have to guess.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What I've heard.

Why wouldn't BS just send out the roster to the team when the kids were selected? Such less drama - they can see who is on the team with them and not have to guess.

Agree - something is up since they wont even do that. Everyone wants to at least know who is on their kids team? Is there an opportunity to carpool? Do I know any new kids that may have been selected? I mean tryouts were in August!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What I've heard.

Why wouldn't BS just send out the roster to the team when the kids were selected? Such less drama - they can see who is on the team with them and not have to guess.

No clubs post the teams right away, you don't even know who is going to accept or decline. Most boys lacrosse clubs never even post roosters. We are in touch with our friends from last season and know most of the girls on on the team, there maybe a few additions or subtractions, we will find out when we start. Patience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your daughter's team is playing in a fall tournament you would have received an email

Not all teams and kids play - it's just the chosen ones and the ones with the daddy's that complain the most.

They sent out the email for all Top Guns asking them if they wanted to play in any of the 3 7v7 tournaments at Hofstra. You were asked to reply with the dates you were interested in. Had nothing to do with what you are saying.

Granted some kids will play with other groups that include team members from top guns. Gut there are opportunities for all to play this fall if they wish. If you feel you are missing an opportunity call BS, he will find a team for you to play on in one of those tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What I've heard.

Why wouldn't BS just send out the roster to the team when the kids were selected? Such less drama - they can see who is on the team with them and not have to guess.

Agree - something is up since they wont even do that. Everyone wants to at least know who is on their kids team? Is there an opportunity to carpool? Do I know any new kids that may have been selected? I mean tryouts were in August!

you can figure this out at the first practice. you're just curious and probably want to complain about who's on the team, how big the roster is..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What I've heard.

Why wouldn't BS just send out the roster to the team when the kids were selected? Such less drama - they can see who is on the team with them and not have to guess.

No clubs post the teams right away, you don't even know who is going to accept or decline. Most boys lacrosse clubs never even post roosters. We are in touch with our friends from last season and know most of the girls on on the team, there maybe a few additions or subtractions, we will find out when we start. Patience.

Not true. teams send out their rosters after tryouts based on results. That does not mean they post them on their website, but at least people on that team know who else they are playing with.

As a consumer you should get that at a minimum. However, if you send out an email that says you "got a spot" without saying what team, without knowing who else made it, then something fishy is going on. If you host an open tryout and charge for it, the results should be made available.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What I've heard.

Why wouldn't BS just send out the roster to the team when the kids were selected? Such less drama - they can see who is on the team with them and not have to guess.

sending out the roster would definitely not be LESS drama! things change, people back out, kids get added. it's a long, painful process behind the scenes, so they can't post them until they're 100% final, which is not now. why do you need the roster?

Shouldn't you all be more concerned with who is coaching your daughter's team?? At the 7v7 there was a dad coaching, and only 10 kids showed up out of both black&purple. Had to dip my toe in the water but won't be going back. Hoping the talent will be better at the fall practice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What I've heard.

Why wouldn't BS just send out the roster to the team when the kids were selected? Such less drama - they can see who is on the team with them and not have to guess.

No clubs post the teams right away, you don't even know who is going to accept or decline. Most boys lacrosse clubs never even post roosters. We are in touch with our friends from last season and know most of the girls on on the team, there maybe a few additions or subtractions, we will find out when we start. Patience.

Not true. teams send out their rosters after tryouts based on results. That does not mean they post them on their website, but at least people on that team know who else they are playing with.

As a consumer you should get that at a minimum. However, if you send out an email that says you "got a spot" without saying what team, without knowing who else made it, then something fishy is going on. If you host an open tryout and charge for it, the results should be made available.

My daughters friend plays on Elevate, they received their rosters when the teams went out so they know who is on their team. Why cant TG just do that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What I've heard.

Why wouldn't BS just send out the roster to the team when the kids were selected? Such less drama - they can see who is on the team with them and not have to guess.

No clubs post the teams right away, you don't even know who is going to accept or decline. Most boys lacrosse clubs never even post roosters. We are in touch with our friends from last season and know most of the girls on on the team, there maybe a few additions or subtractions, we will find out when we start. Patience.

Not true. teams send out their rosters after tryouts based on results. That does not mean they post them on their website, but at least people on that team know who else they are playing with.

As a consumer you should get that at a minimum. However, if you send out an email that says you "got a spot" without saying what team, without knowing who else made it, then something fishy is going on. If you host an open tryout and charge for it, the results should be made available.

some rosters are still a work in progress. did anyone get a TG invite that didn't tell them what team they were selected for?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What I've heard.

Why wouldn't BS just send out the roster to the team when the kids were selected? Such less drama - they can see who is on the team with them and not have to guess.

No clubs post the teams right away, you don't even know who is going to accept or decline. Most boys lacrosse clubs never even post roosters. We are in touch with our friends from last season and know most of the girls on on the team, there maybe a few additions or subtractions, we will find out when we start. Patience.

Not true. teams send out their rosters after tryouts based on results. That does not mean they post them on their website, but at least people on that team know who else they are playing with.

As a consumer you should get that at a minimum. However, if you send out an email that says you "got a spot" without saying what team, without knowing who else made it, then something fishy is going on. If you host an open tryout and charge for it, the results should be made available.

My daughters friend plays on Elevate, they received their rosters when the teams went out so they know who is on their team. Why cant TG just do that?

If your daughter is on Elevate why do you care who is on TG Rosters!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What I've heard.

Why wouldn't BS just send out the roster to the team when the kids were selected? Such less drama - they can see who is on the team with them and not have to guess.

No clubs post the teams right away, you don't even know who is going to accept or decline. Most boys lacrosse clubs never even post roosters. We are in touch with our friends from last season and know most of the girls on on the team, there maybe a few additions or subtractions, we will find out when we start. Patience.

Not true. teams send out their rosters after tryouts based on results. That does not mean they post them on their website, but at least people on that team know who else they are playing with.

As a consumer you should get that at a minimum. However, if you send out an email that says you "got a spot" without saying what team, without knowing who else made it, then something fishy is going on. If you host an open tryout and charge for it, the results should be made available.

some rosters are still a work in progress. did anyone get a TG invite that didn't tell them what team they were selected for?

We have have always gotten an e-mail that says what team(color) my daughter was selected for. I'd like to know what club sends out rosters with names, after try outs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What I've heard.

Why wouldn't BS just send out the roster to the team when the kids were selected? Such less drama - they can see who is on the team with them and not have to guess.

No clubs post the teams right away, you don't even know who is going to accept or decline. Most boys lacrosse clubs never even post roosters. We are in touch with our friends from last season and know most of the girls on on the team, there maybe a few additions or subtractions, we will find out when we start. Patience.

Not true. teams send out their rosters after tryouts based on results. That does not mean they post them on their website, but at least people on that team know who else they are playing with.

As a consumer you should get that at a minimum. However, if you send out an email that says you "got a spot" without saying what team, without knowing who else made it, then something fishy is going on. If you host an open tryout and charge for it, the results should be made available.

My daughters friend plays on Elevate, they received their rosters when the teams went out so they know who is on their team. Why cant TG just do that?

If your daughter is on Elevate why do you care who is on TG Rosters!

Learn to read, it is their friend - not their daughter - their daughter is on TG and they just want to know who is on their team. Cant be that hard!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What I've heard.

Why wouldn't BS just send out the roster to the team when the kids were selected? Such less drama - they can see who is on the team with them and not have to guess.

No clubs post the teams right away, you don't even know who is going to accept or decline. Most boys lacrosse clubs never even post roosters. We are in touch with our friends from last season and know most of the girls on on the team, there maybe a few additions or subtractions, we will find out when we start. Patience.

Know a club that posts their rosters within a day or two of try-outs and simply don't replace the kids that decline

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What I've heard.

Why wouldn't BS just send out the roster to the team when the kids were selected? Such less drama - they can see who is on the team with them and not have to guess.

No clubs post the teams right away, you don't even know who is going to accept or decline. Most boys lacrosse clubs never even post roosters. We are in touch with our friends from last season and know most of the girls on on the team, there maybe a few additions or subtractions, we will find out when we start. Patience.

Not true. teams send out their rosters after tryouts based on results. That does not mean they post them on their website, but at least people on that team know who else they are playing with.

As a consumer you should get that at a minimum. However, if you send out an email that says you "got a spot" without saying what team, without knowing who else made it, then something fishy is going on. If you host an open tryout and charge for it, the results should be made available.

My daughters friend plays on Elevate, they received their rosters when the teams went out so they know who is on their team. Why cant TG just do that?

They will, when the rosters are all settled! This is such a silly topic, but I guess it's a good sign if this is what people are worried about, and nothing serious.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What I've heard.

Why wouldn't BS just send out the roster to the team when the kids were selected? Such less drama - they can see who is on the team with them and not have to guess.

No clubs post the teams right away, you don't even know who is going to accept or decline. Most boys lacrosse clubs never even post roosters. We are in touch with our friends from last season and know most of the girls on on the team, there maybe a few additions or subtractions, we will find out when we start. Patience.

Not true. teams send out their rosters after tryouts based on results. That does not mean they post them on their website, but at least people on that team know who else they are playing with.

As a consumer you should get that at a minimum. However, if you send out an email that says you "got a spot" without saying what team, without knowing who else made it, then something fishy is going on. If you host an open tryout and charge for it, the results should be made available.

some rosters are still a work in progress. did anyone get a TG invite that didn't tell them what team they were selected for?

We have have always gotten an e-mail that says what team(color) my daughter was selected for. I'd like to know what club sends out rosters with names, after try outs.

THEY ALL DO. That is what you deserve to see hwen you pay thousands of dollars. You should know your COACH and you should know your TEAM - why people would pay and not have that info is a huge leap of faith! Nobody to blame but yourself if you did NOT know that info before you paid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What I've heard.

Why wouldn't BS just send out the roster to the team when the kids were selected? Such less drama - they can see who is on the team with them and not have to guess.

No clubs post the teams right away, you don't even know who is going to accept or decline. Most boys lacrosse clubs never even post roosters. We are in touch with our friends from last season and know most of the girls on on the team, there maybe a few additions or subtractions, we will find out when we start. Patience.

Not true. teams send out their rosters after tryouts based on results. That does not mean they post them on their website, but at least people on that team know who else they are playing with.

As a consumer you should get that at a minimum. However, if you send out an email that says you "got a spot" without saying what team, without knowing who else made it, then something fishy is going on. If you host an open tryout and charge for it, the results should be made available.

My daughters friend plays on Elevate, they received their rosters when the teams went out so they know who is on their team. Why cant TG just do that?

They will, when the rosters are all settled! This is such a silly topic, but I guess it's a good sign if this is what people are worried about, and nothing serious.

Nothing serious..... This is a mass of dysfunction. Open your eyes.

Oh boy, your pills are wearing off...remember take them every four hours not every six. Listen if you got the email that you are on a team, then you should have paid your first deposit. At that point you know you are on the roster and that is all that counts.

Believe it or not there are some people that might have paid the deposit and are still trying our for another organization. Maybe they will be happy to walk away from the money in the long run.

The season summer season, which is what you are paying for does not start for another (8) months...give it a rest, I bet all coaches are not squared away yet.

It's called Reading 101...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh boy, your pills are wearing off...remember take them every four hours not every six. Listen if you got the email that you are on a team, then you should have paid your first deposit. At that point you know you are on the roster and that is all that counts.

Believe it or not there are some people that might have paid the deposit and are still trying our for another organization. Maybe they will be happy to walk away from the money in the long run.

The season summer season, which is what you are paying for does not start for another (8) months...give it a rest, I bet all coaches are not squared away yet.

Exactly...calm down, and find something else to occupy your time!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What I've heard.

Why wouldn't BS just send out the roster to the team when the kids were selected? Such less drama - they can see who is on the team with them and not have to guess.

No clubs post the teams right away, you don't even know who is going to accept or decline. Most boys lacrosse clubs never even post roosters. We are in touch with our friends from last season and know most of the girls on on the team, there maybe a few additions or subtractions, we will find out when we start. Patience.

Not true. teams send out their rosters after tryouts based on results. That does not mean they post them on their website, but at least people on that team know who else they are playing with.

As a consumer you should get that at a minimum. However, if you send out an email that says you "got a spot" without saying what team, without knowing who else made it, then something fishy is going on. If you host an open tryout and charge for it, the results should be made available.

My daughters friend plays on Elevate, they received their rosters when the teams went out so they know who is on their team. Why cant TG just do that?

Because most of the elevate kids all live in csh or huntington and they all know each other, tg and yj kids come from all over

Anyone know anything about Medusa Elite? Their teams looked good at the 7v7.

Nobody cares what Elevate does. They are a second tier organization. They do not win any tournaments

Hey you sound like the poster who was snooping around on the 91 forum. Seems to be a pattern with you bashing other programs , most likley so you feel better about yourself because of the poor choices you made for your daughter going to a sinking talent program !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody cares what Elevate does. They are a second tier organization. They do not win any tournaments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody cares what Elevate does. They are a second tier organization. They do not win any tournaments

That why the 2021 Elevate team beat TG Black this summer? hmmmmmmmmm....... Maybe you should start caring! And the Elevate 2017 Team is far better than TG as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

#1 YJ at this point cannot be denied
#2 Elevate. Better in several age groups and seems they are trending up
#3. TG has 1 very good age group but overall seem to have peaked and are trending down , parents want more than just an anti - other club attitude

#4. Liberty have become an afterthought in 2016 and below

Agree,YJ, Elevate, TG, Liberty

Agree but TG is sinking fast

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey you sound like the poster who was snooping around on the 91 forum. Seems to be a pattern with you bashing other programs , most likley so you feel better about yourself because of the poor choices you made for your daughter going to a sinking talent program !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody cares what Elevate does. They are a second tier organization. They do not win any tournaments

That makes them one tier above TG and they are heading in the right direction versus TG which is like being on a boat that is slowly sinking.

Please stop with the " who's the better club". It's so sickening. Grow up.

I would be sick too if my daughter was on tg. Can't blame these people. They are on the Titanic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would be sick too if my daughter was on tg. Can't blame these people. They are on the Titanic.

TG has been great to us, and hundreds of others. It's mostly the negative people and haters from other clubs on here bashing. TG is fine! Have fun on YJ team 5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would be sick too if my daughter was on tg. Can't blame these people. They are on the Titanic.

TG has been great to us, and hundreds of others. It's mostly the negative people and haters from other clubs on here bashing. TG is fine! Have fun on YJ team 5

Yeah have fun on YJ team 5 , 2017 mad dad.

I like that when I post something negative this mad dad takes the rap

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I like that when I post something negative this mad dad takes the rap

Could always blame it on Westhampton! LOL

Alright, I'll run with it. My new name mad dad or west hampton! Hey, I'm easy, whoever wants to take the rap. Thanks guys

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody cares what Elevate does. They are a second tier organization. They do not win any tournaments

That why the 2021 Elevate team beat TG Black this summer? hmmmmmmmmm....... Maybe you should start caring! And the Elevate 2017 Team is far better than TG as well.

Elevate 2021 lost a couple top players and will not be as competitive

Everybody can talk, talk, talk we'll see at the tournaments only time will tell.

Hello tg's west hampton and mad dad checking in. Lol. I hope all is we'll in tg land. Looks like a little squabble about about elevate is occurring. I must agree with other posters. Elevate us by far just an overall better team in most age groups. But really people 2021? Your worried? They're like 8

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody cares what Elevate does. They are a second tier organization. They do not win any tournaments

That why the 2021 Elevate team beat TG Black this summer? hmmmmmmmmm....... Maybe you should start caring! And the Elevate 2017 Team is far better than TG as well.

Elevate 2021 lost a couple top players and will not be as competitive

Not true at all. Unlike TG we have our rosters and all the top kids are back plus some new amazing talent. TG has no clue what they have since you don't know who is on your team.

ok. You won 1 game. Congrats I guess. Worried??? I think not !!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody cares what Elevate does. They are a second tier organization. They do not win any tournaments

That why the 2021 Elevate team beat TG Black this summer? hmmmmmmmmm....... Maybe you should start caring! And the Elevate 2017 Team is far better than TG as well.

Elevate 2021 lost a couple top players and will not be as competitive

Where did they go

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Nobody cares what Elevate does. They are a second tier organization. They do not win any tournaments

That why the 2021 Elevate team beat TG Black this summer? hmmmmmmmmm....... Maybe you should start caring! And the Elevate 2017 Team is far better than TG as well.

Elevate 2021 lost a couple top players and will not be as competitive

Where did these players go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Nobody cares what Elevate does. They are a second tier organization. They do not win any tournaments

That why the 2021 Elevate team beat TG Black this summer? hmmmmmmmmm....... Maybe you should start caring! And the Elevate 2017 Team is far better than TG as well.

Elevate 2021 lost a couple top players and will not be as competitive

Where did these players go?

Both elevate and tg 2021 teams were weak. It will take a couple few years for talent to settle to see who is who. Right now YJ and M&D completely own this age group. Next year who knows? Look and watch tg2020 as an example of exchange of power.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody cares what Elevate does. They are a second tier organization. They do not win any tournaments

That why the 2021 Elevate team beat TG Black this summer? hmmmmmmmmm....... Maybe you should start caring! And the Elevate 2017 Team is far better than TG as well.

Elevate 2021 lost a couple top players and will not be as competitive

Where did they go

Nowhere - they are still there - have the roster - just an angry TG parent trying to cause trouble since they lost to elevate last year - all top kids from
2021 elevate are there - TG people are desperate and taking to starting rumors - we have our rosters so we know who is there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Nobody cares what Elevate does. They are a second tier organization. They do not win any tournaments

That why the 2021 Elevate team beat TG Black this summer? hmmmmmmmmm....... Maybe you should start caring! And the Elevate 2017 Team is far better than TG as well.

Elevate 2021 lost a couple top players and will not be as competitive

Where did these players go?

Nowhere - all top players still there - where would they go - no YJ tryouts yet and they wouldn't move down a level to TG - why do that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Nobody cares what Elevate does. They are a second tier organization. They do not win any tournaments

That why the 2021 Elevate team beat TG Black this summer? hmmmmmmmmm....... Maybe you should start caring! And the Elevate 2017 Team is far better than TG as well.

Elevate 2021 lost a couple top players and will not be as competitive

Where did these players go?

Nowhere - all top players still there - where would they go - no YJ tryouts yet and they wouldn't move down a level to TG - why do that?

6th grade. They will be going into 7th grade next summer. There will be plenty of changes between now, next summer and the summer of 2017 when it might actually matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody cares what Elevate does. They are a second tier organization. They do not win any tournaments

That why the 2021 Elevate team beat TG Black this summer? hmmmmmmmmm....... Maybe you should start caring! And the Elevate 2017 Team is far better than TG as well.

Elevate 2021 lost a couple top players and will not be as competitive

Where did they go

Nowhere - they are still there - have the roster - just an angry TG parent trying to cause trouble since they lost to elevate last year - all top kids from
2021 elevate are there - TG people are desperate and taking to starting rumors - we have our rosters so we know who is there.

Correct - elevate has their rosters so they know their kids all came back - TG has no clue what they have after months of signing up - it's sad how quickly things change.

lets be accurate 2021 elevate blue sent 11 kids from last year down to 2nd team and moved no one up from b to a ...11 new girls this year ...a big shake up lets see how that works out..

I guess 11 kids moved down were not considered top talent and no one from 2nd team moved up ...seems pretty thin talent wise to bring 11 new in for this year...what does that say about coaching ?

I don't know why elevate parent would be debating with a tg parent. There is absolutely NO comparison in the operation of tg and elevate. Elevate is by far a much more superior organization. Dont banter with these miserable people.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess 11 kids moved down were not considered top talent and no one from 2nd team moved up ...seems pretty thin talent wise to bring 11 new in for this year...what does that say about coaching ?

Also reduced roster size so that will help them as well - I am sure they look forward to beating TG again this year! Were also some TG kids at tryout - not sure where they ended up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know why elevate parent would be debating with a tg parent. There is absolutely NO comparison in the operation of tg and elevate. Elevate is by far a much more superior organization. Dont banter with these miserable people.

Agree

there's lots of miserable people to go around at both organizations and others too. They are certainly not limited to any one club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets be accurate 2021 elevate blue sent 11 kids from last year down to 2nd team and moved no one up from b to a ...11 new girls this year ...a big shake up lets see how that works out..

Lets be even more accurate. They had 26 kids on the team last year. Th new roster is 22. So, of the 26, they moved 11 down wheich means they kept 15 of the top kids and added 7 new kids and based on the amazing talent at tryouts, adding 7 kids to the top 15 will make them even better. That is accurate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets be accurate 2021 elevate blue sent 11 kids from last year down to 2nd team and moved no one up from b to a ...11 new girls this year ...a big shake up lets see how that works out..

Lets be even more accurate. They had 26 kids on the team last year. Th new roster is 22. So, of the 26, they moved 11 down wheich means they kept 15 of the top kids and added 7 new kids and based on the amazing talent at tryouts, adding 7 kids to the top 15 will make them even better. That is accurate.

Sounds great for Elevate, then why duck the competiton this fall? 2021 attending two local tourneys with no competition and avoiding the big programs by not attending Prime Time Youmg Guns, Lax For The Cure or T3. You you want to pound your chest about being one of the best teams in this age group, then show-up and play against the best. Are we going to hear the excuses again this year that the team does not practice much before the summer tourneys and we have to wait for them to gel and get results? You cannot have it both ways!!!

Enough said....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets be accurate 2021 elevate blue sent 11 kids from last year down to 2nd team and moved no one up from b to a ...11 new girls this year ...a big shake up lets see how that works out..

Lets be even more accurate. They had 26 kids on the team last year. Th new roster is 22. So, of the 26, they moved 11 down wheich means they kept 15 of the top kids and added 7 new kids and based on the amazing talent at tryouts, adding 7 kids to the top 15 will make them even better. That is accurate.

Who cares! Go find the elevate thread

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know why elevate parent would be debating with a tg parent. There is absolutely NO comparison in the operation of tg and elevate. Elevate is by far a much more superior organization. Dont banter with these miserable people.

Couldnt be more true!

AND
They are still an average team!
Go to tournaments and play the BIG GIRLS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets be accurate 2021 elevate blue sent 11 kids from last year down to 2nd team and moved no one up from b to a ...11 new girls this year ...a big shake up lets see how that works out..

Lets be even more accurate. They had 26 kids on the team last year. Th new roster is 22. So, of the 26, they moved 11 down wheich means they kept 15 of the top kids and added 7 new kids and based on the amazing talent at tryouts, adding 7 kids to the top 15 will make them even better. That is accurate.

Sounds great for Elevate, then why duck the competiton this fall? 2021 attending two local tourneys with no competition and avoiding the big programs by not attending Prime Time Youmg Guns, Lax For The Cure or T3. You you want to pound your chest about being one of the best teams in this age group, then show-up and play against the best. Are we going to hear the excuses again this year that the team does not practice much before the summer tourneys and we have to wait for them to gel and get results? You cannot have it both ways!!!

I don't think 6th grade teams need to be traveling in the fall when the real season starts in the summer. I think it's a lot to ask of people from time and from an expense perspective. Does TG need to go to NJ, MD, etc in the fall when those kids can stay on LI and lose to local teams? If they were really good it may make sense but the are no better than most of the local talent. Why put that on parents and kids at 11 or 12 years old. No need. Save your money - lose locally.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets be accurate 2021 elevate blue sent 11 kids from last year down to 2nd team and moved no one up from b to a ...11 new girls this year ...a big shake up lets see how that works out..

Lets be even more accurate. They had 26 kids on the team last year. Th new roster is 22. So, of the 26, they moved 11 down wheich means they kept 15 of the top kids and added 7 new kids and based on the amazing talent at tryouts, adding 7 kids to the top 15 will make them even better. That is accurate.

Sounds great for Elevate, then why duck the competiton this fall? 2021 attending two local tourneys with no competition and avoiding the big programs by not attending Prime Time Youmg Guns, Lax For The Cure or T3. You you want to pound your chest about being one of the best teams in this age group, then show-up and play against the best. Are we going to hear the excuses again this year that the team does not practice much before the summer tourneys and we have to wait for them to gel and get results? You cannot have it both ways!!!

Summer is the big season, have your young kids play soccer, field hockey and basketball in the fall/winter. They'll benefit more. Fall club is important for Freshmen, Sophomores and unrecruited Juniors. They should be going to as many premier recruiting avents as possible. Running the babies up and down the east coast is as big a waste of team parent's money as running off to the U15 championship. Club is for getting recruited, why do you insist on committing money to events that do not further that objective? For bragging rights? Seriously?? Hiring a personal trainer if you can't help yourself would give you more bang for your buck at this age...though that's a waste too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

there's lots of miserable people to go around at both organizations and others too. They are certainly not limited to any one club.

Sounds like the bulk of them are at TG though. No rosters, daddy fall teams, excluding other kids, back stabbing - sounds like it is money well spent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets be accurate 2021 elevate blue sent 11 kids from last year down to 2nd team and moved no one up from b to a ...11 new girls this year ...a big shake up lets see how that works out..

Lets be even more accurate. They had 26 kids on the team last year. Th new roster is 22. So, of the 26, they moved 11 down wheich means they kept 15 of the top kids and added 7 new kids and based on the amazing talent at tryouts, adding 7 kids to the top 15 will make them even better. That is accurate.

Sounds great for Elevate, then why duck the competiton this fall? 2021 attending two local tourneys with no competition and avoiding the big programs by not attending Prime Time Youmg Guns, Lax For The Cure or T3. You you want to pound your chest about being one of the best teams in this age group, then show-up and play against the best. Are we going to hear the excuses again this year that the team does not practice much before the summer tourneys and we have to wait for them to gel and get results? You cannot have it both ways!!!

Summer is the big season, have your young kids play soccer, field hockey and basketball in the fall/winter. They'll benefit more. Fall club is important for Freshmen, Sophomores and unrecruited Juniors. They should be going to as many premier recruiting avents as possible. Running the babies up and down the east coast is as big a waste of team parent's money as running off to the U15 championship. Club is for getting recruited, why do you insist on committing money to events that do not further that objective? For bragging rights? Seriously?? Hiring a personal trainer if you can't help yourself would give you more bang for your buck at this age...though that's a waste too.

Agree - well said.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets be accurate 2021 elevate blue sent 11 kids from last year down to 2nd team and moved no one up from b to a ...11 new girls this year ...a big shake up lets see how that works out..

Lets be even more accurate. They had 26 kids on the team last year. Th new roster is 22. So, of the 26, they moved 11 down wheich means they kept 15 of the top kids and added 7 new kids and based on the amazing talent at tryouts, adding 7 kids to the top 15 will make them even better. That is accurate.

Sounds great for Elevate, then why duck the competiton this fall? 2021 attending two local tourneys with no competition and avoiding the big programs by not attending Prime Time Youmg Guns, Lax For The Cure or T3. You you want to pound your chest about being one of the best teams in this age group, then show-up and play against the best. Are we going to hear the excuses again this year that the team does not practice much before the summer tourneys and we have to wait for them to gel and get results? You cannot have it both ways!!!

I don't think 6th grade teams need to be traveling in the fall when the real season starts in the summer. I think it's a lot to ask of people from time and from an expense perspective. Does TG need to go to NJ, MD, etc in the fall when those kids can stay on LI and lose to local teams? If they were really good it may make sense but the are no better than most of the local talent. Why put that on parents and kids at 11 or 12 years old. No need. Save your money - lose locally.

\
elevate ran out of money before the summer season ended - all the teams scheduled to play at hofstra were scratched because the tourney fees couldn't be paid and they still had an outstanding balance from the previous year!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets be accurate 2021 elevate blue sent 11 kids from last year down to 2nd team and moved no one up from b to a ...11 new girls this year ...a big shake up lets see how that works out..

Lets be even more accurate. They had 26 kids on the team last year. Th new roster is 22. So, of the 26, they moved 11 down wheich means they kept 15 of the top kids and added 7 new kids and based on the amazing talent at tryouts, adding 7 kids to the top 15 will make them even better. That is accurate.

Sounds great for Elevate, then why duck the competiton this fall? 2021 attending two local tourneys with no competition and avoiding the big programs by not attending Prime Time Youmg Guns, Lax For The Cure or T3. You you want to pound your chest about being one of the best teams in this age group, then show-up and play against the best. Are we going to hear the excuses again this year that the team does not practice much before the summer tourneys and we have to wait for them to gel and get results? You cannot have it both ways!!!

Summer is the big season, have your young kids play soccer, field hockey and basketball in the fall/winter. They'll benefit more. Fall club is important for Freshmen, Sophomores and unrecruited Juniors. They should be going to as many premier recruiting avents as possible. Running the babies up and down the east coast is as big a waste of team parent's money as running off to the U15 championship. Club is for getting recruited, why do you insist on committing money to events that do not further that objective? For bragging rights? Seriously?? Hiring a personal trainer if you can't help yourself would give you more bang for your buck at this age...though that's a waste too.

Agree - well said.

How many 2021's are going to be recruited this summer? Save your money and wait until 9th grade

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets be accurate 2021 elevate blue sent 11 kids from last year down to 2nd team and moved no one up from b to a ...11 new girls this year ...a big shake up lets see how that works out..

Lets be even more accurate. They had 26 kids on the team last year. Th new roster is 22. So, of the 26, they moved 11 down wheich means they kept 15 of the top kids and added 7 new kids and based on the amazing talent at tryouts, adding 7 kids to the top 15 will make them even better. That is accurate.

Sounds great for Elevate, then why duck the competiton this fall?
2021 attending two local tourneys with no competition and avoiding the big programs by not attending Prime Time Youmg Guns, Lax For The Cure or T3. You you want to pound your chest about being one of the best teams in this age group, then show-up and play against the best. Are we going to hear the excuses again this year that the team does not practice much before the summer tourneys and we have to wait for them to gel and get results? You cannot have it both ways!!!

Summer is the big season, have your young kids play soccer, field hockey and basketball in the fall/winter. They'll benefit more. Fall club is important for Freshmen, Sophomores and unrecruited Juniors. They should be going to as many premier recruiting avents as possible. Running the babies up and down the east coast is as big a waste of team parent's money as running off to the U15 championship. Club is for getting recruited, why do you insist on committing money to events that do not further that objective? For bragging rights? Seriously?? Hiring a personal trainer if you can't help yourself would give you more bang for your buck at this age...though that's a waste too.

Agree - well said.

Partially well said... Except for avoiding lax burnout, field hockey does zip for your lax game and soccer is the same type of running. I agree with hoops, but fhe three tourneys referenced are done by 11/17 so no conflict. They represent three day of lax, two in Jersey on the same weekend. Not a big investment of time or money. Particularly for a team with so many new players, they need to play together more than a few times ahead of the summer season.

Does anyone know if Purple 2018 is scheduled for any Fall recruiting showcases? Black 2018 is scheduled for one in Maryland in November.

I think Medusa Elite was from Garden City. As for the Hofstra 7on 7, most teams entered are coached by parents. The only teams with real coaches were from HS varsity teams or teams from out of the area. With many teams having 22-26 kids per team, all kids on one team can not be asked. So parents make up their own teams, whether it's all from one travel team or a mix of girls from a few teams. There was a few combo teams, along with girls who signed up as singles. ANY parent can make their own team. Parents that didn't and then bitched about why their kid wasn't asked to play with teammates. Maybe their is a reason for that. Parents that actually make the effort to go in these tournaments don't want to deal with cry babies and ball hogs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets be accurate 2021 elevate blue sent 11 kids from last year down to 2nd team and moved no one up from b to a ...11 new girls this year ...a big shake up lets see how that works out..

Lets be even more accurate. They had 26 kids on the team last year. Th new roster is 22. So, of the 26, they moved 11 down wheich means they kept 15 of the top kids and added 7 new kids and based on the amazing talent at tryouts, adding 7 kids to the top 15 will make them even better. That is accurate.

Sounds great for Elevate, then why duck the competiton this fall? 2021 attending two local tourneys with no competition and avoiding the big programs by not attending Prime Time Youmg Guns, Lax For The Cure or T3. You you want to pound your chest about being one of the best teams in this age group, then show-up and play against the best. Are we going to hear the excuses again this year that the team does not practice much before the summer tourneys and we have to wait for them to gel and get results? You cannot have it both ways!!!

Summer is the big season, have your young kids play soccer, field hockey and basketball in the fall/winter. They'll benefit more. Fall club is important for Freshmen, Sophomores and unrecruited Juniors. They should be going to as many premier recruiting avents as possible. Running the babies up and down the east coast is as big a waste of team parent's money as running off to the U15 championship. Club is for getting recruited, why do you insist on committing money to events that do not further that objective? For bragging rights? Seriously?? Hiring a personal trainer if you can't help yourself would BOTC, Back of THE CAGE youth lacrosse. You are not logged in.
give you more bang for your buck at this age...though that's a waste too.

Then why bother having your 12 and under kid play lacrosse in the summer at all or travel off Long Island to play lax ever if all you do is based on recruiting and you feel their lacrosse skill would develope better playing soccer etc..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody cares what Elevate does. They are a second tier organization. They do not win any tournaments

That why the 2021 Elevate team beat TG Black this summer? hmmmmmmmmm....... Maybe you should start caring! And the Elevate 2017 Team is far better than TG as well.

Elevate 2021 lost a couple top players and will not be as competitive

Where did they go

Nowhere - they are still there - have the roster - just an angry TG parent trying to cause trouble since they lost to elevate last year - all top kids from
2021 elevate are there - TG people are desperate and taking to starting rumors - we have our rosters so we know who is there.

Not true. There are 11 new girls. Some top going to yj, no matter what your roster says.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets be accurate 2021 elevate blue sent 11 kids from last year down to 2nd team and moved no one up from b to a ...11 new girls this year ...a big shake up lets see how that works out..

Lets be even more accurate. They had 26 kids on the team last year. Th new roster is 22. So, of the 26, they moved 11 down wheich means they kept 15 of the top kids and added 7 new kids and based on the amazing talent at tryouts, adding 7 kids to the top 15 will make them even better. That is accurate.

Sounds great for Elevate, then why duck the competiton this fall? 2021 attending two local tourneys with no competition and avoiding the big programs by not attending Prime Time Youmg Guns, Lax For The Cure or T3. You you want to pound your chest about being one of the best teams in this age group, then show-up and play against the best. Are we going to hear the excuses again this year that the team does not practice much before the summer tourneys and we have to wait for them to gel and get results? You cannot have it both ways!!!

You two clubs can argue about who is better, TG or Elevate at this age, but stop there. Pounding chest on being best team in age group??? You can't be serious!!! Both of those teams are a million miles away from that and neither will likely ever approach that. Seriously, you may play competitive games against each other and pound on the very weak competition you play at weak tournaments. Elevate seems on the rise, may get to an elite level some day, but still has a way to go. TG seems on the decline, never quite got to the elite level. Will they turn it around? This year seemed tough on them, le'ts see what next year brings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets be accurate 2021 elevate blue sent 11 kids from last year down to 2nd team and moved no one up from b to a ...11 new girls this year ...a big shake up lets see how that works out..

Lets be even more accurate. They had 26 kids on the team last year. Th new roster is 22. So, of the 26, they moved 11 down wheich means they kept 15 of the top kids and added 7 new kids and based on the amazing talent at tryouts, adding 7 kids to the top 15 will make them even better. That is accurate.

Sounds great for Elevate, then why duck the competiton this fall? 2021 attending two local tourneys with no competition and avoiding the big programs by not attending Prime Time Youmg Guns, Lax For The Cure or T3. You you want to pound your chest about being one of the best teams in this age group, then show-up and play against the best. Are we going to hear the excuses again this year that the team does not practice much before the summer tourneys and we have to wait for them to gel and get results? You cannot have it both ways!!!

Summer is the big season, have your young kids play soccer, field hockey and basketball in the fall/winter. They'll benefit more. Fall club is important for Freshmen, Sophomores and unrecruited Juniors. They should be going to as many premier recruiting avents as possible. Running the babies up and down the east coast is as big a waste of team parent's money as running off to the U15 championship. Club is for getting recruited, why do you insist on committing money to events that do not further that objective? For bragging rights? Seriously?? Hiring a personal trainer if you can't help yourself would BOTC, Back of THE CAGE youth lacrosse. You are not logged in.
give you more bang for your buck at this age...though that's a waste too.

Then why bother having your 12 and under kid play lacrosse in the summer at all or travel off Long Island to play lax ever if all you do is based on recruiting and you feel their lacrosse skill would develope better playing soccer etc..

Because, like any sport, if they expect to eventually compete at an elite level, they have to be exposed to it. Playing in house leagues doesn't get it done. When did I say their lacrosse skills would develop better playing soccer, poor SAT scores on Reading Comprehension? Other sports keep the kids active and do teach kids a lot they can use during the Lax season, ever played hoops? Plus it gives the kids a needed break from lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know if Purple 2018 is scheduled for any Fall recruiting showcases? Black 2018 is scheduled for one in Maryland in November.

If they are not - move to another club - all 2018s are going to recruiting tournaments this fall - don't settle

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

I think Medusa Elite was from Garden City. As for the Hofstra 7on 7, most teams entered are coached by parents. The only teams with real coaches were from HS varsity teams or teams from out of the area. With many teams having 22-26 kids per team, all kids on one team can not be asked. So parents make up their own teams, whether it's all from one travel team or a mix of girls from a few teams. There was a few combo teams, along with girls who signed up as singles. ANY parent can make their own team. Parents that didn't and then bitched about why their kid wasn't asked to play with teammates. Maybe their is a reason for that. Parents that actually make the effort to go in these tournaments don't want to deal with cry babies and ball hogs.

Agree and TG chooses the dadThe Hofstra 7v7 is not a tournament. It's a money grab for the school. Very, very few high school girls attend. The little ones enjoyed it, the older girls not so much. Do not confuse this with a recruting event, they are complete different animals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

there's lots of miserable people to go around at both organizations and others too. They are certainly not limited to any one club.

Sounds like the bulk of them are at TG though. No rosters, daddy fall teams, excluding other kids, back stabbing - sounds like it is money well spent.

Happens everywhere but nice try

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets be accurate 2021 elevate blue sent 11 kids from last year down to 2nd team and moved no one up from b to a ...11 new girls this year ...a big shake up lets see how that works out..

Lets be even more accurate. They had 26 kids on the team last year. Th new roster is 22. So, of the 26, they moved 11 down wheich means they kept 15 of the top kids and added 7 new kids and based on the amazing talent at tryouts, adding 7 kids to the top 15 will make them even better. That is accurate.

Sounds great for Elevate, then why duck the competiton this fall? 2021 attending two local tourneys with no competition and avoiding the big programs by not attending Prime Time Youmg Guns, Lax For The Cure or T3. You you want to pound your chest about being one of the best teams in this age group, then show-up and play against the best. Are we going to hear the excuses again this year that the team does not practice much before the summer tourneys and we have to wait for them to gel and get results? You cannot have it both ways!!!

Summer is the big season, have your young kids play soccer, field hockey and basketball in the fall/winter. They'll benefit more. Fall club is important for Freshmen, Sophomores and unrecruited Juniors. They should be going to as many premier recruiting avents as possible. Running the babies up and down the east coast is as big a waste of team parent's money as running off to the U15 championship. Club is for getting recruited, why do you insist on committing money to events that do not further that objective? For bragging rights? Seriously?? Hiring a personal trainer if you can't help yourself would BOTC, Back of THE CAGE youth lacrosse. You are not logged in.
give you more bang for your buck at this age...though that's a waste too.

Then why bother having your 12 and under kid play lacrosse in the summer at all or travel off Long Island to play lax ever if all you do is based on recruiting and you feel their lacrosse skill would develope better playing soccer etc..

Because, like any sport, if they expect to eventually compete at an elite level, they have to be exposed to it. Playing in house leagues doesn't get it done. When did I say their lacrosse skills would develop better playing soccer, poor SAT scores on Reading Comprehension? Other sports keep the kids active and do teach kids a lot they can use during the Lax season, ever played hoops? Plus it gives the kids a needed break from lacrosse.

My point is that you sound like a pompous [lacrosse] telling people when and how they should do things to benefit their kids. Burn out is usually what jack [lacrosse] parents like you say about kids who play alot of lacrosse because you are afraid they are going to leave your kid behind. You said on a lacrosse forum that the kids would benefit more playing field hockey in the fall than lacrosse, why? Each kid is different , some unlike yours enjoy playing whenever possible. Thanks for all of your ridiculous advice but I will take a pass.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

I think Medusa Elite was from Garden City. As for the Hofstra 7on 7, most teams entered are coached by parents. The only teams with real coaches were from HS varsity teams or teams from out of the area. With many teams having 22-26 kids per team, all kids on one team can not be asked. So parents make up their own teams, whether it's all from one travel team or a mix of girls from a few teams. There was a few combo teams, along with girls who signed up as singles. ANY parent can make their own team. Parents that didn't and then bitched about why their kid wasn't asked to play with teammates. Maybe their is a reason for that. Parents that actually make the effort to go in these tournaments don't want to deal with cry babies and ball hogs.

Agree and TG chooses the dadThe Hofstra 7v7 is not a tournament. It's a money grab for the school. Very, very few high school girls attend. The little ones enjoyed it, the older girls not so much. Do not confuse this with a recruting event, they are complete different animals.

My daughter played on one of the HS teams, just like last year. It was a fun day of quick moving, casual lax. Nice way to keep the sticks sharp and get some good run with friends.

Like stated above yes keeps the girls with their hands on their stick but if your an athlete you will be involved in a fall sport. Plenty of them. Also is girls are older they have fall tournaments too. For the older girls it's a complete waste of time and money. When SS was hired it was probably part of her contract with them. It just funds the school and gives SS recognition she doesn't deserve. Plenty if fall tournaments out there even for the younger girls where money is donated to a good cause like breast cancer not SS. My thoughts are that Hofstra will have enough of her shananigans and not renew her contract before our daughters go to college. She's an afterthought for me. Yg and other competitive teams are not going to want to go to Hofstra anyway as long as she is associated.

Obviously you have issues with SS. These tournaments are for raising money for the women's lacrosse program at Hofstra. Every college does it. They also do clinics to raise money for their programs. It allows Hofstra to give out money to players that they wouldn't normally have. Unlike other schools, Hofstra doesn't have another big D1 team at the school to bring a cash flow in. She is doing nothing different than any other D1 women's college coach. Northwestern, UNC, Maryland and many others have clinics right here on LI to raise money for their programs while watching future talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Like stated above yes keeps the girls with their hands on their stick but if your an athlete you will be involved in a fall sport. Plenty of them. Also is girls are older they have fall tournaments too. For the older girls it's a complete waste of time and money. When SS was hired it was probably part of her contract with them. It just funds the school and gives SS recognition she doesn't deserve. Plenty if fall tournaments out there even for the younger girls where money is donated to a good cause like breast cancer not SS. My thoughts are that Hofstra will have enough of her shananigans and not renew her contract before our daughters go to college. She's an afterthought for me. Yg and other competitive teams are not going to want to go to Hofstra anyway as long as she is associated.

What shenanigans?

She does not coach!!!!!!!!!! She only coaches the black team the one her niece is on. She does not oversee anything... I never see her on the sidelines. Once in a while you get a hello from the golf cart. For whoever wants to deny this oh right ahead but it's not right.

One has nothing to do with the other. 7 on 7s at Hofstra are not combined with any TG event. No one from TG is required to go. Again, you must have issues with SS. Does CR coach every YJ team? Does any organizer coach all their teams? Their website says every team is overseen by her, not coached!

Honestly said my peace I do not wish to discuss anything further.

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Obviously you have issues with SS. These tournaments are for raising money for the women's lacrosse program at Hofstra. Every college does it. They also do clinics to raise money for their programs. It allows Hofstra to give out money to players that they wouldn't normally have. Unlike other schools, Hofstra doesn't have another big D1 team at the school to bring a cash flow in. She is doing nothing different than any other D1 women's college coach. Northwestern, UNC, Maryland and many others have clinics right here on LI to raise money for their programs while watching future talent.

Hahahah raising money for a good cause - Hofstra womens lax? A private college that costs a lot of $$$ that gets money from Alumni and tuition, etc. There are far BETTER causes to give to. If you arent aware of any we can name them.If they sell this to you as a good cause I also have a bridge waiting for YOUR name.

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Obviously you have issues with SS. These tournaments are for raising money for the women's lacrosse program at Hofstra. Every college does it. They also do clinics to raise money for their programs. It allows Hofstra to give out money to players that they wouldn't normally have. Unlike other schools, Hofstra doesn't have another big D1 team at the school to bring a cash flow in. She is doing nothing different than any other D1 women's college coach. Northwestern, UNC, Maryland and many others have clinics right here on LI to raise money for their programs while watching future talent.

Talk about drinking the Kool Aid. You are taking it in through a fire hose!

HA-HA-HA how funny that a few weeks ago they were killing the 2020 dad who left to go to YJ. Talking about him like a dog on and off BOTC and yet today I saw a bunch of TG kids played with him at Lax for Hope. COMICAL totally COMICAL. Now hopefully they will shut the [lacrosse] up about who left and where they went.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HA-HA-HA how funny that a few weeks ago they were killing the 2020 dad who left to go to YJ. Talking about him like a dog on and off BOTC and yet today I saw a bunch of TG kids played with him at Lax for Hope. COMICAL totally COMICAL. Now hopefully they will shut the [lacrosse] up about who left and where they went.

It seems that you're the one resurrecting the issue

Maybe. But their obviously trying to say I told you so. People on this thread don't want to hear anything about reality. They want to live in denial. The best thing that dad could of done was get his daughter off that team. Now someone will come back with a negative comment like he deserves it. You people are ruining your children and you don't know it.

Was there a large turnover for TG 2018 teams? Are new players on the black team from other clubs or did are they players that have moved up from purple and white? What is the maximum roster size at top guns?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HA-HA-HA how funny that a few weeks ago they were killing the 2020 dad who left to go to YJ. Talking about him like a dog on and off BOTC and yet today I saw a bunch of TG kids played with him at Lax for Hope. COMICAL totally COMICAL. Now hopefully they will shut the [lacrosse] up about who left and where they went.

Nobody cares

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was there a large turnover for TG 2018 teams? Are new players on the black team from other clubs or did are they players that have moved up from purple and white? What is the maximum roster size at top guns?

Is your daughter currently on a TG team or with another club? TG already had their tryouts for the year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HA-HA-HA how funny that a few weeks ago they were killing the 2020 dad who left to go to YJ. Talking about him like a dog on and off BOTC and yet today I saw a bunch of TG kids played with him at Lax for Hope. COMICAL totally COMICAL. Now hopefully they will shut the [lacrosse] up about who left and where they went.

I have no idea who this guy is, but one thing about an anonymous forum is that one or two people can post as frequently as they want and make it look like an number of people don't like someone or make it look like someone was an outcast, when in reality they had a few people unhappy with them.

CK is a great coach. All the girls love to play for him. The parents that constantly bash him are the ones that daughters are not asked to play for the rebels. It is all jealousy driven. The truth is that the rebels do not loose. This drives the parents of the kids who are not invited absolutely crazy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HA-HA-HA how funny that a few weeks ago they were killing the 2020 dad who left to go to YJ. Talking about him like a dog on and off BOTC and yet today I saw a bunch of TG kids played with him at Lax for Hope. COMICAL totally COMICAL. Now hopefully they will shut the [lacrosse] up about who left and where they went.

I have no idea who this guy is, but one thing about an anonymous forum is that one or two people can post as frequently as they want and make it look like an number of people don't like someone or make it look like someone was an outcast, when in reality they had a few people unhappy with them.

I agree with you, this sounds to me like the the angry dad from 2017. I am also most sure that this is the same unhappy person that makes all these Anti TG posts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CK is a great coach. All the girls love to play for him. The parents that constantly bash him are the ones that daughters are not asked to play for the rebels. It is all jealousy driven. The truth is that the rebels do not loose. This drives the parents of the kids who are not invited absolutely crazy.

No one really cares though.

And divides the team

every lax club team is divided, parents and the girls. YJ, TG, Liberty you name it. and you all know it. there are the girls that play alot, play a little and dont play at all in big spots. all you idiots think your daughter is better than she really is, except for maybee 1 or 2 people per club. all the talking that goes on between parents about my kid should and that kid shouldn't. I hear it at HS games, practices, tournaments when you morons are drinking at the bar. you are all pathetic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CK is a great coach. All the girls love to play for him. The parents that constantly bash him are the ones that daughters are not asked to play for the rebels. It is all jealousy driven. The truth is that the rebels do not loose. This drives the parents of the kids who are not invited absolutely crazy.

Sure it is. Keep telling yourself, hope it makes you feel better.

CK, poor guy is heading into a nightmare over at 2019 YJ. Spoke w a few parents with kids on that team , a few of the issues
1) Head coach who is rarely around
2) Mommy and daddy assistant coaches who allow their kids and their kids only to be ballhogs
3) Assistant coaches whose kids maybe don't belong on top team so will now have more deserving players moved off team to make room for new TG kids, coaches kids, kids from assistant coaches town team.
4) Usually the top players are happy on the top teams, does not seem to be the case
5) 28 kids on the team

what is this all about? who is ck?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CK is a great coach. All the girls love to play for him. The parents that constantly bash him are the ones that daughters are not asked to play for the rebels. It is all jealousy driven. The truth is that the rebels do not loose. This drives the parents of the kids who are not invited absolutely crazy.

Why don't they just take their rebel team and go into tournaments if they're so good? Why don't they just stick together as that rebel team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CK is a great coach. All the girls love to play for him. The parents that constantly bash him are the ones that daughters are not asked to play for the rebels. It is all jealousy driven. The truth is that the rebels do not loose. This drives the parents of the kids who are not invited absolutely crazy.

Why don't they just take their rebel team and go into tournaments if they're so good? Why don't they just stick together as that rebel team

They probably should. But that is alot of extra work. Easier to join forces with the top brand name in the industry and go from there (yj btw).

WHO IS CK?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

every lax club team is divided, parents and the girls. YJ, TG, Liberty you name it. and you all know it. there are the girls that play alot, play a little and dont play at all in big spots. all you idiots think your daughter is better than she really is, except for maybee 1 or 2 people per club. all the talking that goes on between parents about my kid should and that kid shouldn't. I hear it at HS games, practices, tournaments when you morons are drinking at the bar. you are all pathetic.

Wow, slightly jaded perhaps?! When you stop calling people idiots and morons, maybe you'll be taken seriously. But please go on and vent away. It's like a car crash, we can't look away.

WHO IS CK?

Can't go in tournaments with just 1 team. Major tournaments only take programs with many teams in different age groups. That team is very good. Only seen them in 7 on 7 format. Wonder how good they are on full field with 12 players?

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Can't go in tournaments with just 1 team. Major tournaments only take programs with many teams in different age groups. That team is very good. Only seen them in 7 on 7 format. Wonder how good they are on full field with 12 players?

Even more impressive 12 v 12. They bring the right amount of subs, cut the dead wood. All the kids are ballers. They played toe to toe with M&D, blew out skywalkers in 12 v 12. Since they are made of the top yj and tg kids you will never see them face off, but they would crush either. Hand picking the best players in the age from LI makes for a very strong team.

IS THIS A TG THREAD. WHY IS THIS ALL BEING DISCUSSED. NO ONE WILL ANSWER WHO CK IS AND WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO WITH TG???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CK is a great coach. All the girls love to play for him. The parents that constantly bash him are the ones that daughters are not asked to play for the rebels. It is all jealousy driven. The truth is that the rebels do not loose. This drives the parents of the kids who are not invited absolutely crazy.

Why don't they just take their rebel team and go into tournaments if they're so good? Why don't they just stick together as that rebel team

They probably should. But that is alot of extra work. Easier to join forces with the top brand name in the industry and go from there (yj btw).

It's mostly 2019s and a few 2020s. Pretty sure the coaches think they're better than any yj, TG or high school coach out there - neither one ever played but so full of themselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

IS THIS A TG THREAD. WHY IS THIS ALL BEING DISCUSSED. NO ONE WILL ANSWER WHO CK IS AND WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO WITH TG???

The "K" is for a last name that is the equivalent of a polish sausage. Formerly of TG-moving to YJ allegedly. Coaches Lady Rebels. Does that help?

2019 's need a lot of help. But they should start with the coaches and their bagage. Ever hear of addition by subtraction.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

IS THIS A TG THREAD. WHY IS THIS ALL BEING DISCUSSED. NO ONE WILL ANSWER WHO CK IS AND WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO WITH TG???

CK is the TG daddy coach that cut a deal to bring his 2019 & 2020 daughters and some friends from TG to YJ. He also coaches a tournament team called Lady Rebels.

2014 will be fine. Lots of good players who will now get to play as a team. Former poster is correct about addition by subtraction

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CK is a great coach. All the girls love to play for him. The parents that constantly bash him are the ones that daughters are not asked to play for the rebels. It is all jealousy driven. The truth is that the rebels do not loose. This drives the parents of the kids who are not invited absolutely crazy.

Why don't they just take their rebel team and go into tournaments if they're so good? Why don't they just stick together as that rebel team

They probably should. But that is alot of extra work. Easier to join forces with the top brand name in the industry and go from there (yj btw).

It's mostly 2019s and a few 2020s. Pretty sure the coaches think they're better than any yj, TG or high school coach out there - neither one ever played but so full of themselves.

You seem to know so much about that team, who are the coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2014 will be fine. Lots of good players who will now get to play as a team. Former poster is correct about addition by subtraction

What?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2014 will be fine. Lots of good players who will now get to play as a team. Former poster is correct about addition by subtraction

What?

I think that's a reference to the 2019 that left TG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2014 will be fine. Lots of good players who will now get to play as a team. Former poster is correct about addition by subtraction

What?

I think that's a reference to the 2019 that left TG

How many 2019's left TG? Any middies? I thought the CK - last name a polish sausage - daughter is a 2020?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2014 will be fine. Lots of good players who will now get to play as a team. Former poster is correct about addition by subtraction

What?

I think that's a reference to the 2019 that left TG

How many 2019's left TG? Any middies? I thought the CK - last name a polish sausage - daughter is a 2020?

"Coach Sausage" has two children a 2019 and a 2020, the funny thing he is listed as a coach on the 2020 team of which does not have a coaching problem. If he is so good at being a coach CR should have named him as a coach on the 2019 which has been a nightmare coaching wise from the get go!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2014 will be fine. Lots of good players who will now get to play as a team. Former poster is correct about addition by subtraction

What?

I think that's a reference to the 2019 that left TG

How many 2019's left TG? Any middies? I thought the CK - last name a polish sausage - daughter is a 2020?

He has trwo that are going to YJ blue a 19 n a 20

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

So don't go then

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

You people complain about everything, why don't you leave? I have no problem with the girls having extra practices, and it's not very expensive either. There are a lot of new girls on TG and yes they need to play and practice together before the summer. If you do have a problem with the practices then don't send your daughter, no one if forcing you to. Damn if you do, damn if you don't. You b---- and whine about not enough practices, they listen and make the changes and you still have a problem. I'm sure you're probably the only person that has a problem with the extra practices. If nothing here on TG pleases you, you should leave and go elsewhere. $125 is still a great price for 8 additional team practices, where are at YJ you pay $200 for 5 sessions of the same thing. Maybe you should go there.

It is amazing...some people come on here last year and bash the fall and winter leagues. Competition sucks, they get nothing out of it...etc. Practice would be a better option.

Now they will be holding indoor practices and we get the opposite response.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

always something to [lacrosse] about...if it was winter league people would be bitching that the competition was lame...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

That's right! I love it...Nothing wrong with practice. Would you like everything to be free? I'd rather the girls play together and learn and if that means I have to pay for it so be it. Not sure whyat other club has 16 additional team practice sessions on top of the 10 incl. if that's a problem for you, stay home!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

You are a real loser. You can enter your daughter In as many tournaments as you wish on your own. You payed only for 5 summer tournaments, no need to complain. TG is under no obligation to provide a fall tournament for you or your daughter. You paid for 5 in the summer. You were just dying to jump on the forum and find a fault huh?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Don't show up then, sit home and complain and then wonder why your daughter still can't catch the ball.

super smart move by tg to have fall and winter team skill practices...and at $125 for 8 practices super cheap and adding some speed training into the mix...ask any college coach ..most important trait they are looking for is a skilled player period!

All things considered TG is still a relatively new club ( this is the 5th year ) I give them credit for trying something new this year. lets wait and see how this compares to what was offered last year before we start to bash the club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Hey tool, go play for the YJ, their MS winter league is the exact same type of format (instruction and scrimmage), except they charge $250 per session.

I guess this person is sad that they can't scream go to goal every time their daughter touches the ball this winter. Indoor league was a complete waste of time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

super smart move by tg to have fall and winter team skill practices...and at $125 for 8 practices super cheap and adding some speed training into the mix...ask any college coach ..most important trait they are looking for is a skilled player period!

I think it fantastic, Skills and speed and agility, TG is stepping it up.
Way better then playing town teams 26-0.

You are a total jack a--!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

super smart move by tg to have fall and winter team skill practices...and at $125 for 8 practices super cheap and adding some speed training into the mix...ask any college coach ..most important trait they are looking for is a skilled player period!

I think it fantastic, Skills and speed and agility, TG is stepping it up.
Way better then playing town teams 26-0.

Working on skills is great, really need team coaches around to develope team play. And speed and agility is a joke, you might be able to shave a little time here and there on drills, but kids are born with speed and agility, not something you can teach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

super smart move by tg to have fall and winter team skill practices...and at $125 for 8 practices super cheap and adding some speed training into the mix...ask any college coach ..most important trait they are looking for is a skilled player period!

I think it fantastic, Skills and speed and agility, TG is stepping it up.
Way better then playing town teams 26-0.

Winter leagues are a joke. I'd rather have the training.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

Allows them to hide the fact they don't have enough kids as they don't need to field teams for games - now they can just say - ohhh a lot if kids didn't show up to practice - not an issue on black - but issue on purple and especially white.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All things considered TG is still a relatively new club ( this is the 5th year ) I give them credit for trying something new this year. lets wait and see how this compares to what was offered last year before we start to bash the club.

Keep drinking the TG Kook Aid

It's 7 on 7 people. You don't need full rosters for that crap! 10 girls and you're good. They aren't hiding small rosters. They actually listened to all the parents that complained about it last year. Just keep stirring the pot!

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

It's 7 on 7 people. You don't need full rosters for that crap! 10 girls and you're good. They aren't hiding small rosters. They actually listened to all the parents that complained about it last year. Just keep stirring the pot!

At sports hub they play with 10 or 11 and for 8th grade up they have full field with full teams which means you need at least 16 kids when a few don't show each week and a few subs - so you do need a fair amount of kids at that venue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

Smells yellow - move on

The Hub league was a total horror and waste of time, schedules constantly changing, teams not showing - we won't miss that at all

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

It's 7 on 7 people. You don't need full rosters for that crap! 10 girls and you're good. They aren't hiding small rosters. They actually listened to all the parents that complained about it last year. Just keep stirring the pot!

At sports hub they play with 10 or 11 and for 8th grade up they have full field with full teams which means you need at least 16 kids when a few don't show each week and a few subs - so you do need a fair amount of kids at that venue.

Has Sports Hub changed its layout? Because two years ago it was three (I think) small fields. It's also in Syosset, not ideal for a Suffolk team.

Speed and agility is something you are born with? Really? I guess track and field athletes don't have to train at all, right? I coach track and that is half of our practices. Some girls are gifted athletes, but speed and agility drills are what training is all about, regardless of sport. Elevate had a pre-tryout clinic . . . $100 a day for 3 hours by the way . . . and the first hour was on agility drills. In my honest opinion, younger girls rarely stretch enough - or at all - before practices. I agree that 7v7 is all about one or two girls "going to the net."

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

It's 7 on 7 people. You don't need full rosters for that crap! 10 girls and you're good. They aren't hiding small rosters. They actually listened to all the parents that complained about it last year. Just keep stirring the pot!

At sports hub they play with 10 or 11 and for 8th grade up they have full field with full teams which means you need at least 16 kids when a few don't show each week and a few subs - so you do need a fair amount of kids at that venue.

Has Sports Hub changed its layout? Because two years ago it was three (I think) small fields. It's also in Syosset, not ideal for a Suffolk team.

They open up the two fields for 8th grade and up - so yes it is 100 yards long - not as wide as outdoor but definitely gets them running

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Speed and agility is something you are born with? Really? I guess track and field athletes don't have to train at all, right? I coach track and that is half of our practices. Some girls are gifted athletes, but speed and agility drills are what training is all about, regardless of sport. Elevate had a pre-tryout clinic . . . $100 a day for 3 hours by the way . . . and the first hour was on agility drills. In my honest opinion, younger girls rarely stretch enough - or at all - before practices. I agree that 7v7 is all about one or two girls "going to the net."

That is correct, you can train a very slow kid to be a little less slow, you can train a very fast kid to be a little bit faster. Conditioning will help them reach their potential but you will never turn the very slow kid into the fastest kid, sorry they are what they are, born with it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

super smart move by tg to have fall and winter team skill practices...and at $125 for 8 practices super cheap and adding some speed training into the mix...ask any college coach ..most important trait they are looking for is a skilled player period!

Really? Looking for speed and athleticism first...don't kid yourself

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

This sounds like BS to a "T"

Smells yellow - move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

Smells yellow - move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

Smells yellow - move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

Smells yellow - move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

Smells yellow - move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

Smells yellow - move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

Smells yellow - move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

This sounds like BS to a "T"

Smells yellow - move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

Smells yellow - move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

Smells yellow - move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

Smells yellow - move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

Smells yellow - move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

It doesn't smell yellow to me. Smells exactly like BS. Lol
Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

Smells yellow - move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

Smells yellow - move on

I for one could not be happier with this addition of team practices. gives the teams more time to gel I also welcome the idea of not jackassing to Mount Sinai for my daughter to play games with a mixed team. This was a smart move by top guns and I think it will be beneficial in the long run.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

This sounds like BS to a "T"

Smells yellow - move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

Smells yellow - move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

Smells yellow - move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

Smells yellow - move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

Smells yellow - move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

It doesn't smell yellow to me. Smells exactly like BS. Lol
Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

Smells yellow - move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

Smells yellow - move on

PLEASE learn how to quote and respond.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No fall or winter league for TG, too bad. The girls enjoyed playing competition last year. Now we will simply have team practices at the expense of an additional $125.

Sounds like they are ducking the other clubs or don't have enough kids on many of the teams to field teams so they will just have mixed age practices or tell people kids just aren't coming to practice to hide the low numbers. That should buy them time to get full teams by summer. Still no rosters.

Allows them to hide the fact they don't have enough kids as they don't need to field teams for games - now they can just say - ohhh a lot if kids didn't show up to practice - not an issue on black - but issue on purple and especially white.

WOW you are really smart can you give me the 6 numbers for Lotto you know so much

We dont know how to quote, because we dont spend our lives on here like you. You really need to get a job or another hobby.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I for one could not be happier with this addition of team practices. gives the teams more time to gel I also welcome the idea of not jackassing to Mount Sinai for my daughter to play games with a mixed team. This was a smart move by top guns and I think it will be beneficial in the long run.

You would have been jackassing (whatever that means) to Calverton this year - Inline is turning into a trampoline place.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I for one could not be happier with this addition of team practices. gives the teams more time to gel I also welcome the idea of not jackassing to Mount Sinai for my daughter to play games with a mixed team. This was a smart move by top guns and I think it will be beneficial in the long run.

You would have been jackassing (whatever that means) to Calverton this year - Inline is turning into a trampoline place.

They've had stuff at that place in Hauppauge, I'm blanking on the name but the location was good. Our school team plays at out Calverton, it's not my favorite venue.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I for one could not be happier with this addition of team practices. gives the teams more time to gel I also welcome the idea of not jackassing to Mount Sinai for my daughter to play games with a mixed team. This was a smart move by top guns and I think it will be beneficial in the long run.

You would have been jackassing (whatever that means) to Calverton this year - Inline is turning into a trampoline place.

They've had stuff at that place in Hauppauge, I'm blanking on the name but the location was good. Our school team plays at out Calverton, it's not my favorite venue.

Coastal Sports -New Highway in Hauppauge

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I for one could not be happier with this addition of team practices. gives the teams more time to gel I also welcome the idea of not jackassing to Mount Sinai for my daughter to play games with a mixed team. This was a smart move by top guns and I think it will be beneficial in the long run.

You would have been jackassing (whatever that means) to Calverton this year - Inline is turning into a trampoline place.

They've had stuff at that place in Hauppauge, I'm blanking on the name but the location was good. Our school team plays at out Calverton, it's not my favorite venue.

TG tried this during 1st Winter Session last year in Hauppauge. 30 minutes of drills then scrimmages. Just chose up teams and played. It was ok. Nothing great, nothing terrible. Coached by Shannon and Hofstra players. I was there for the 2015s so not sure how it went for younger ages.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All things considered TG is still a relatively new club ( this is the 5th year ) I give them credit for trying something new this year. lets wait and see how this compares to what was offered last year before we start to bash the club.

Keep drinking the TG Kook Aid

What "Kook Aid" am I drinking? My daughter has been on TG for more than a season, she is very happy with her team and the relationships and friendships she has made, her coaches; she admires Shannon and all she has accomplished as both a player and coach. Do I give up on this because of some animosity from some other folks, some of which will either never be happy or have a delusional expectation of what travel lax is about in 2014? Or critics from another club who have really no idea what TG do or don�t do based on rumors or anonymous posts here? She even likes Bill and thinks Andrew is cute. I�m happy she is getting what she wants out of it. Can you say the same where ever you are?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All things considered TG is still a relatively new club ( this is the 5th year ) I give them credit for trying something new this year. lets wait and see how this compares to what was offered last year before we start to bash the club.

Keep drinking the TG Kook Aid

What "Kook Aid" am I drinking? My daughter has been on TG for more than a season, she is very happy with her team and the relationships and friendships she has made, her coaches; she admires Shannon and all she has accomplished as both a player and coach. Do I give up on this because of some animosity from some other folks, some of which will either never be happy or have a delusional expectation of what travel lax is about in 2014? Or critics from another club who have really no idea what TG do or don�t do based on rumors or anonymous posts here? She even likes Bill and thinks Andrew is cute. I�m happy she is getting what she wants out of it. Can you say the same where ever you are?

Thanks Bill hmmmmm or Andrew???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All things considered TG is still a relatively new club ( this is the 5th year ) I give them credit for trying something new this year. lets wait and see how this compares to what was offered last year before we start to bash the club.

Keep drinking the TG Kook Aid

What "Kook Aid" am I drinking? My daughter has been on TG for more than a season, she is very happy with her team and the relationships and friendships she has made, her coaches; she admires Shannon and all she has accomplished as both a player and coach. Do I give up on this because of some animosity from some other folks, some of which will either never be happy or have a delusional expectation of what travel lax is about in 2014? Or critics from another club who have really no idea what TG do or don�t do based on rumors or anonymous posts here? She even likes Bill and thinks Andrew is cute. I�m happy she is getting what she wants out of it. Can you say the same where ever you are?

Thanks Bill hmmmmm or Andrew???

Nope.. my last name isnt Smith.. My daughter ages out after this year..She had a great run.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All things considered TG is still a relatively new club ( this is the 5th year ) I give them credit for trying something new this year. lets wait and see how this compares to what was offered last year before we start to bash the club.

Keep drinking the TG Kook Aid

What "Kook Aid" am I drinking? My daughter has been on TG for more than a season, she is very happy with her team and the relationships and friendships she has made, her coaches; she admires Shannon and all she has accomplished as both a player and coach. Do I give up on this because of some animosity from some other folks, some of which will either never be happy or have a delusional expectation of what travel lax is about in 2014? Or critics from another club who have really no idea what TG do or don�t do based on rumors or anonymous posts here? She even likes Bill and thinks Andrew is cute. I�m happy she is getting what she wants out of it. Can you say the same where ever you are?

Thanks Bill hmmmmm or Andrew???

Yeah right! Do you really think Bill goes on here, and writes stuff like that? If Bill wrote on here, it would look nothing like that. Also, Andrew doesn't give a crap what you dopes think. Shows how you little you know about the Smiths.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All things considered TG is still a relatively new club ( this is the 5th year ) I give them credit for trying something new this year. lets wait and see how this compares to what was offered last year before we start to bash the club.

Keep drinking the TG Kook Aid

What "Kook Aid" am I drinking? My daughter has been on TG for more than a season, she is very happy with her team and the relationships and friendships she has made, her coaches; she admires Shannon and all she has accomplished as both a player and coach. Do I give up on this because of some animosity from some other folks, some of which will either never be happy or have a delusional expectation of what travel lax is about in 2014? Or critics from another club who have really no idea what TG do or don�t do based on rumors or anonymous posts here? She even likes Bill and thinks Andrew is cute. I�m happy she is getting what she wants out of it. Can you say the same where ever you are?

Couldn't agree with you more. Sounds exactly like our experience, and the way we, and our daughter, feel about the Smiths!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I for one could not be happier with this addition of team practices. gives the teams more time to gel I also welcome the idea of not jackassing to Mount Sinai for my daughter to play games with a mixed team. This was a smart move by top guns and I think it will be beneficial in the long run.

You would have been jackassing (whatever that means) to Calverton this year - Inline is turning into a trampoline place.

That term has never been used in ur presence?? And I know coastal was first session mt Sinai was 2nd session. And either way I'm still happy
They've had stuff at that place in Hauppauge, I'm blanking on the name but the location was good. Our school team plays at out Calverton, it's not my favorite venue.

TG tried this during 1st Winter Session last year in Hauppauge. 30 minutes of drills then scrimmages. Just chose up teams and played. It was ok. Nothing great, nothing terrible. Coached by Shannon and Hofstra players. I was there for the 2015s so not sure how it went for younger ages.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All things considered TG is still a relatively new club ( this is the 5th year ) I give them credit for trying something new this year. lets wait and see how this compares to what was offered last year before we start to bash the club.

Keep drinking the TG Kook Aid

What "Kook Aid" am I drinking? My daughter has been on TG for more than a season, she is very happy with her team and the relationships and friendships she has made, her coaches; she admires Shannon and all she has accomplished as both a player and coach. Do I give up on this because of some animosity from some other folks, some of which will either never be happy or have a delusional expectation of what travel lax is about in 2014? Or critics from another club who have really no idea what TG do or don�t do based on rumors or anonymous posts here? She even likes Bill and thinks Andrew is cute. I�m happy she is getting what she wants out of it. Can you say the same where ever you are?

Thanks Bill hmmmmm or Andrew???

Yeah right! Do you really think Bill goes on here, and writes stuff like that? If Bill wrote on here, it would look nothing like that. Also, Andrew doesn't give a crap what you dopes think. Shows how you little you know about the Smiths.

Hard for andrew to care while he is taking a nap and sleeping off the late night

Sorry TG, was fun while it lasted but too many fleeing the ranks. I actually feel bad for BS which is not an easy thing to do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry TG, was fun while it lasted but too many fleeing the ranks. I actually feel bad for BS which is not an easy thing to do.

Good luck with your new coach and his recruits ! Now we will hear you all complaining in 7 months

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry TG, was fun while it lasted but too many fleeing the ranks. I actually feel bad for BS which is not an easy thing to do.

Somehow I get the feeling that you won't be missed.

TG is now irrelevant in 2020

Are there any A level teams left at TG ? 2021 B level but may develope, 2020 is now B level, 2019 B level and now I hear the kid BS begged to stay is begging to play YJ, 2018 has always been and will continue to be B level, 2017 below YJ and Elevate so let's go w B level, 2016 still B level never made it into that upper level as they were never able to actually win a tournament , 2015 same as 2016 and now missing the only descent coach . The good news is there will be less animosity between you guys and YJ as they no longer consider you a threat and you no longer consider yourselves their rival .Sad really as it was fun watching your club put a little scare in YJ until CR decided to end it .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG is now irrelevant in 2020

The good news is now all these parents that were on here saying that it's been a team effort and not run thru one kid get a chance to prove it . I heard the kid left because they got tired of carrying the team to victories and hearing all the bitching about the kid being a ball hog .

I should tell my 12 year old daughter she is irrelevant....wow so sad. Take a look in the mirror pal, that is the definition of irrelevant

So the TG team has been cut down by the relentless poaching. Parents make the best choice for their kids. Don't concern yourself with us. We will be just fine with girls that can compete and parents that have class. Really??? Jump to yj a program that dessimated and then cannabalized its own team and girls to become the uber lax team.... To do what??? Take over the world?? Enjoy your daughter's childhood summer days as you battle through the back biting, insults and being out maneuvered by them all. Girls that are coming are great. Good kids and GREAT lax players. Someone's got to go? Will it be your child? There is no solidarity in that club. It's all about the "me!" Tough mentality in a team sport. Have fun storming the castle as you each maneuver to cut another down. Just be sure that when you step on their backs, they stay face down so they don't know who it came from.

There is only one ball

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the TG team has been cut down by the relentless poaching. Parents make the best choice for their kids. Don't concern yourself with us. We will be just fine with girls that can compete and parents that have class. Really??? Jump to yj a program that dessimated and then cannabalized its own team and girls to become the uber lax team.... To do what??? Take over the world?? Enjoy your daughter's childhood summer days as you battle through the back biting, insults and being out maneuvered by them all. Girls that are coming are great. Good kids and GREAT lax players. Someone's got to go? Will it be your child? There is no solidarity in that club. It's all about the "me!" Tough mentality in a team sport. Have fun storming the castle as you each maneuver to cut another down. Just be sure that when you step on their backs, they stay face down so they don't know who it came from.

I think YJ will now be the club where all the best Long Island players go to prove themselves, will be interesting how it works out.To be on top YJ team will now mean something more so than ever before and more so than any other club on Long Island.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the TG team has been cut down by the relentless poaching. Parents make the best choice for their kids. Don't concern yourself with us. We will be just fine with girls that can compete and parents that have class. Really??? Jump to yj a program that dessimated and then cannabalized its own team and girls to become the uber lax team.... To do what??? Take over the world?? Enjoy your daughter's childhood summer days as you battle through the back biting, insults and being out maneuvered by them all. Girls that are coming are great. Good kids and GREAT lax players. Someone's got to go? Will it be your child? There is no solidarity in that club. It's all about the "me!" Tough mentality in a team sport. Have fun storming the castle as you each maneuver to cut another down. Just be sure that when you step on their backs, they stay face down so they don't know who it came from.

Relentless poaching is a little dramatic. You know those kids left because of their own reasons , if you think anyone associated with YJ actively recruited any of them other than friends they have that play YJ you are delusional . Those kids and parents believe YJ offers more opportunities for their kids than TG so they did what they feel is best for their kids. Say what you want but if your kid is a top player you want them on a top team which it appears the YJ teams will continue to be , seems as if TG now heading the way of Liberty. YJ will not be for everyone as those top teams will be highly competitive to make and to stand out on. Many of the better second team kids left at the 2020 age as they saw the writing on the wall but now seems they will be replaced with top team kids being moved down or TG kids coming over.

I really do feel bad For the kids that are trapped on tg. Their parents have to see the light. It is sometimes just convenient for them and their daughters make friends and of course you don't want to leave. But sometimes being a parent means sacrificing. Unfortunately, their are more cons then pros. There are going to be a lot of disappointed children. So sad. Maybe if you didn't have a bad experience yet, you must know someone that has. You never know when it's your turn.

the bad news is that one of the biggest bitchers is now her new coach - ironic

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really do feel bad For the kids that are trapped on tg. Their parents have to see the light. It is sometimes just convenient for them and their daughters make friends and of course you don't want to leave. But sometimes being a parent means sacrificing. Unfortunately, their are more cons then pros. There are going to be a lot of disappointed children. So sad. Maybe if you didn't have a bad experience yet, you must know someone that has. You never know when it's your turn.

We get it 2017 white dad that got dropped, you can move on now. We don't need you to tell us what to with our kids, go on and enjoy yourself over there at YJ! Ever so often you come back with the same crap. Good luck to you and just go away!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the bad news is that one of the biggest bitchers is now her new coach - ironic

You need help , no one knows who or what you are talking about other than it seems you are someones new coach. The best kids seek out the best competition and want to play for the best teams end of story.

It seems as though everyone that makes a comment about tg you relate to this 2017 dad. There's obviously more than one person commenting because my daughter has been on same team for two years and it's not a 2017 team. You my man are the one that needs counseling.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the bad news is that one of the biggest bitchers is now her new coach - ironic

You need help , no one knows who or what you are talking about other than it seems you are someones new coach. The best kids seek out the best competition and want to play for the best teams end of story.

I think this is about the 2020 dad that left 2020 black to coach at YJ ..... He just poached the best player on the east coast IMO to follow him to YJ

The best player on the east coast is in 7th grade? Hmmmmmmm

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the bad news is that one of the biggest bitchers is now her new coach - ironic

You need help , no one knows who or what you are talking about other than it seems you are someones new coach. The best kids seek out the best competition and want to play for the best teams end of story.

I think this is about the 2020 dad that left 2020 black to coach at YJ ..... He just poached the best player on the east coast IMO to follow him to YJ

He had nothing to do with it , the kid and dad wanted to go . Did his leaving have anything to do with it , maybe but probably more related to the fact that the coach left , the coaching overall in TG is not good .Amazing so many TG blaming CK for their downfall when they should be blaming BS for not running a club the best players want to play for .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the TG team has been cut down by the relentless poaching. Parents make the best choice for their kids. Don't concern yourself with us. We will be just fine with girls that can compete and parents that have class. Really??? Jump to yj a program that dessimated and then cannabalized its own team and girls to become the uber lax team.... To do what??? Take over the world?? Enjoy your daughter's childhood summer days as you battle through the back biting, insults and being out maneuvered by them all. Girls that are coming are great. Good kids and GREAT lax players. Someone's got to go? Will it be your child? There is no solidarity in that club. It's all about the "me!" Tough mentality in a team sport. Have fun storming the castle as you each maneuver to cut another down. Just be sure that when you step on their backs, they stay face down so they don't know who it came from.

I think YJ will now be the club where all the best Long Island players go to prove themselves, will be interesting how it works out.To be on top YJ team will now mean something more so than ever before and more so than any other club on Long Island.

You mean to be on YJ "TOP" team will mean something. That's a definite, but teams 2-5 are same or worse than everyone else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best player on the east coast is in 7th grade? Hmmmmmmm

In the 2020 age group I have not seen one kid that had more talent than her

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It seems as though everyone that makes a comment about tg you relate to this 2017 dad. There's obviously more than one person commenting because my daughter has been on same team for two years and it's not a 2017 team. You my man are the one that needs counseling.

Nope you are him, and he is you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the TG team has been cut down by the relentless poaching. Parents make the best choice for their kids. Don't concern yourself with us. We will be just fine with girls that can compete and parents that have class. Really??? Jump to yj a program that dessimated and then cannabalized its own team and girls to become the uber lax team.... To do what??? Take over the world?? Enjoy your daughter's childhood summer days as you battle through the back biting, insults and being out maneuvered by them all. Girls that are coming are great. Good kids and GREAT lax players. Someone's got to go? Will it be your child? There is no solidarity in that club. It's all about the "me!" Tough mentality in a team sport. Have fun storming the castle as you each maneuver to cut another down. Just be sure that when you step on their backs, they stay face down so they don't know who it came from.

Relentless poaching is a little dramatic. You know those kids left because of their own reasons , if you think anyone associated with YJ actively recruited any of them other than friends they have that play YJ you are delusional . Those kids and parents believe YJ offers more opportunities for their kids than TG so they did what they feel is best for their kids. Say what you want but if your kid is a top player you want them on a top team which it appears the YJ teams will continue to be , seems as if TG now heading the way of Liberty. YJ will not be for everyone as those top teams will be highly competitive to make and to stand out on. Many of the better second team kids left at the 2020 age as they saw the writing on the wall but now seems they will be replaced with top team kids being moved down or TG kids coming over.

Most parents and kids are dialed into the happenings mainly on their own team, the scary thing here is when you take a step back and look at the big picture, especially at the younger ages, all the teams at the young ages lost their best players and multiple other black players. These are the kids and parents who are very dialed into skill training, development and know the ins and outs of lacrosse. Why are they all walking away from spots on the black team? You can argue that they are not the better players, tell us that they are ball hogs and the team is better by subtraction, tell us that parents are nightmares.... tell us whatever you need to in order to sleep at night. But the undeniable fact is the TG lost alot of talent that will not be replaced and the teams and the club will be weaker next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best player on the east coast is in 7th grade? Hmmmmmmm

In the 2020 age group I have not seen one kid that had more talent than her

Oh but I bet the 2019/2020 kids parents would beg to differ with you about that! LOL they seem to think they have to top 2020 player in the world!

Yes, 2020 black lost significant players. Will the team be much different absolutely, any parent that say it won't is a blind idiot. Yes, YJ gained a tremendous amount of talent and will undoubtedly be a crazy strong team, one that TG 2020 will not in it's current state , will not be able to beat. That does not mean that the kids who stayed are "irrelevant". Kids leave teams all the time for different reasons, this situation is no different. Who cares why they left, they are gone and people should let it go and move on. The kids who stayed did so because they wanted to and the ones who left did so because they wanted to. It is possible that not all parents & kids have a "we must dominate and win every game" attitude. That works for some but not for others. Sometimes there's more to being a successful team than having an undefeated season! But it's whatever works for you & your kid. Good luck to the ones who left and good luck to the ones who stayed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the TG team has been cut down by the relentless poaching. Parents make the best choice for their kids. Don't concern yourself with us. We will be just fine with girls that can compete and parents that have class. Really??? Jump to yj a program that dessimated and then cannabalized its own team and girls to become the uber lax team.... To do what??? Take over the world?? Enjoy your daughter's childhood summer days as you battle through the back biting, insults and being out maneuvered by them all. Girls that are coming are great. Good kids and GREAT lax players. Someone's got to go? Will it be your child? There is no solidarity in that club. It's all about the "me!" Tough mentality in a team sport. Have fun storming the castle as you each maneuver to cut another down. Just be sure that when you step on their backs, they stay face down so they don't know who it came from.

Relentless poaching is a little dramatic. You know those kids left because of their own reasons , if you think anyone associated with YJ actively recruited any of them other than friends they have that play YJ you are delusional . Those kids and parents believe YJ offers more opportunities for their kids than TG so they did what they feel is best for their kids. Say what you want but if your kid is a top player you want them on a top team which it appears the YJ teams will continue to be , seems as if TG now heading the way of Liberty. YJ will not be for everyone as those top teams will be highly competitive to make and to stand out on. Many of the better second team kids left at the 2020 age as they saw the writing on the wall but now seems they will be replaced with top team kids being moved down or TG kids coming over.

Most parents and kids are dialed into the happenings mainly on their own team, the scary thing here is when you take a step back and look at the big picture, especially at the younger ages, all the teams at the young ages lost their best players and multiple other black players. These are the kids and parents who are very dialed into skill training, development and know the ins and outs of lacrosse. Why are they all walking away from spots on the black team? You can argue that they are not the better players, tell us that they are ball hogs and the team is better by subtraction, tell us that parents are nightmares.... tell us whatever you need to in order to sleep at night. But the undeniable fact is the TG lost alot of talent that will not be replaced and the teams and the club will be weaker next year.

More reason for you to be happy where you are and leave us alone. Why do you care? aren't you happy in YJ land?

2018 Black is in fall showcase while 2018 Purple and White are not. Anyone have any concerns about this?

No no one cares. Just another thing you have to ignore. He probably has an excuse and if you don't like it you leave. I'm sure the first parent that says something is already on his "sh..." List.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 Black is in fall showcase while 2018 Purple and White are not. Anyone have any concerns about this?

Nope only you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, 2020 black lost significant players. Will the team be much different absolutely, any parent that say it won't is a blind idiot. Yes, YJ gained a tremendous amount of talent and will undoubtedly be a crazy strong team, one that TG 2020 will not in it's current state , will not be able to beat. That does not mean that the kids who stayed are "irrelevant". Kids leave teams all the time for different reasons, this situation is no different. Who cares why they left, they are gone and people should let it go and move on. The kids who stayed did so because they wanted to and the ones who left did so because they wanted to. It is possible that not all parents & kids have a "we must dominate and win every game" attitude. That works for some but not for others. Sometimes there's more to being a successful team than having an undefeated season! But it's whatever works for you & your kid. Good luck to the ones who left and good luck to the ones who stayed.

I agree , will be interesting to see , believe it or not Curcio team seemed to be drama free for the most part in the past will be interesting to see what happens when the new ones arrive. Sometimes winning is just not worth it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 Black is in fall showcase while 2018 Purple and White are not. Anyone have any concerns about this?

White probably doesn't have enough kids to field a team at this point but why isn't purple playing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, 2020 black lost significant players. Will the team be much different absolutely, any parent that say it won't is a blind idiot. Yes, YJ gained a tremendous amount of talent and will undoubtedly be a crazy strong team, one that TG 2020 will not in it's current state , will not be able to beat. That does not mean that the kids who stayed are "irrelevant". Kids leave teams all the time for different reasons, this situation is no different. Who cares why they left, they are gone and people should let it go and move on. The kids who stayed did so because they wanted to and the ones who left did so because they wanted to. It is possible that not all parents & kids have a "we must dominate and win every game" attitude. That works for some but not for others. Sometimes there's more to being a successful team than having an undefeated season! But it's whatever works for you & your kid. Good luck to the ones who left and good luck to the ones who stayed.

I agree , will be interesting to see , believe it or not Curcio team seemed to be drama free for the most part in the past will be interesting to see what happens when the new ones arrive. Sometimes winning is just not worth it.

Oh the drama is only starting!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, 2020 black lost significant players. Will the team be much different absolutely, any parent that say it won't is a blind idiot. Yes, YJ gained a tremendous amount of talent and will undoubtedly be a crazy strong team, one that TG 2020 will not in it's current state , will not be able to beat. That does not mean that the kids who stayed are "irrelevant". Kids leave teams all the time for different reasons, this situation is no different. Who cares why they left, they are gone and people should let it go and move on. The kids who stayed did so because they wanted to and the ones who left did so because they wanted to. It is possible that not all parents & kids have a "we must dominate and win every game" attitude. That works for some but not for others. Sometimes there's more to being a successful team than having an undefeated season! But it's whatever works for you & your kid. Good luck to the ones who left and good luck to the ones who stayed.

I agree , will be interesting to see , believe it or not Curcio team seemed to be drama free for the most part in the past will be interesting to see what happens when the new ones arrive. Sometimes winning is just not worth it.

Oh the drama is only starting!

Sad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 Black is in fall showcase while 2018 Purple and White are not. Anyone have any concerns about this?

White probably doesn't have enough kids to field a team at this point but why isn't purple playing?

I am sur ethe parents of these kids that are in a recruiting year on 2018 purple and white are demanding that these kids attend the fall showcase and I am sure BS is working on that as we speak!

Curcio team has plenty of drama. And they will drop the wrong kids to make room for the new arrivals

Just starting. It's never ending. Lol

2018 people chill. The following is a recruiting timeline you need to worry about

Fall 2014 - d1 2017. D2 and d3 2016
Summer 2015 - d1 2018 d2 and d3 2017
Fall 2015 d1 - 2018 d2 and d3 2017

Your sure? How can you be so sure unless your BS or SS?

Parents from both purple and white have complained already. It has fallen on deaf ears. At this point, it is too late to get them in any meaningful fall tournament. Why continue to be milked of all your money if you get nothing in return? When the indoor practices start, will the Black team be there? Or will they be at Sports Hub like last year. Different set of rules for the 2018 Black team compared to the other 2 teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 people chill. The following is a recruiting timeline you need to worry about

Fall 2014 - d1 2017. D2 and d3 2016
Summer 2015 - d1 2018 d2 and d3 2017
Fall 2015 d1 - 2018 d2 and d3 2017

If you are a Top 2018 player a D-1 Coach May be looking at you now. That is it for 2018. Lower D-1 and D-2 and D-3 are still recruiting 2016 players. This fall is a crucial time for 2017 players. 2018 parents relax your Daughters time will come.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 people chill. The following is a recruiting timeline you need to worry about

Fall 2014 - d1 2017. D2 and d3 2016
Summer 2015 - d1 2018 d2 and d3 2017
Fall 2015 d1 - 2018 d2 and d3 2017

If you are a Top 2018 player a D-1 Coach May be looking at you now. That is it for 2018. Lower D-1 and D-2 and D-3 are still recruiting 2016 players. This fall is a crucial time for 2017 players. 2018 parents relax your Daughters time will come.

In years past only the two oldest age groups played in the fall tournaments. That would be 2016 & 2017 for this year. If the 2018 Black team is going it is because of the goalie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curcio team has plenty of drama. And they will drop the wrong kids to make room for the new arrivals

Please tell us the drama , kid plays on that team and it seems relatively drama free.

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Parents from both purple and white have complained already. It has fallen on deaf ears. At this point, it is too late to get them in any meaningful fall tournament. Why continue to be milked of all your money if you get nothing in return? When the indoor practices start, will the Black team be there? Or will they be at Sports Hub like last year. Different set of rules for the 2018 Black team compared to the other 2 teams.

That's NOT fair - they are treating them like 2nd class citizens

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curcio team has plenty of drama. And they will drop the wrong kids to make room for the new arrivals

Please tell us the drama , kid plays on that team and it seems relatively drama free.

Check out your YJ page for the drama.

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Parents from both purple and white have complained already. It has fallen on deaf ears. At this point, it is too late to get them in any meaningful fall tournament. Why continue to be milked of all your money if you get nothing in return? When the indoor practices start, will the Black team be there? Or will they be at Sports Hub like last year. Different set of rules for the 2018 Black team compared to the other 2 teams.

That's fair!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 people chill. The following is a recruiting timeline you need to worry about

Fall 2014 - d1 2017. D2 and d3 2016
Summer 2015 - d1 2018 d2 and d3 2017
Fall 2015 d1 - 2018 d2 and d3 2017

If you are a Top 2018 player a D-1 Coach May be looking at you now. That is it for 2018. Lower D-1 and D-2 and D-3 are still recruiting 2016 players. This fall is a crucial time for 2017 players. 2018 parents relax your Daughters time will come.

In years past only the two oldest age groups played in the fall tournaments. That would be 2016 & 2017 for this year. If the 2018 Black team is going it is because of the goalie.

It is because of the recruiting calendar has been moved up for the top 2018's.
The top D-1 programs are working on finalizing their 2017's but they are already starting to identify and recruit the top 2018's. They keep looking at younger and younger players.

Same on the boys side, the top of the 2018 class (for now) are already starting to commit.

The college coaches know what they like when they see it and they will actively pursue the players they like even if they are in the 9th grade. If your child is at the top of the class they will be getting looked at this fall and summer (some last summer). Some have already been contacted some have been invited to visit schools and some have committed already.

If (for now, things change) your daughter is one of the best on her team (not your opinion but the college coaches opinion) she will attract attention and interest from the top college programs this fall and summer.
If your daughter is (currently) at the next level it will take a little longer (but it will happen).

So I agree that the 2018's can chill a bit (only the top players are getting interest right now) but don't let your kids know that , tell them to have fun and play with enthusiasm, work hard and hustle all over the field. Coaches will notice and they will find a home if they want to play in college. Some of the next tier players will get better "deals" than the top players.

I have watched as the recruiting has gotten younger and younger but in the end it stays the same. The top kids go first and then everything opens up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Parents from both purple and white have complained already. It has fallen on deaf ears. At this point, it is too late to get them in any meaningful fall tournament. Why continue to be milked of all your money if you get nothing in return? When the indoor practices start, will the Black team be there? Or will they be at Sports Hub like last year. Different set of rules for the 2018 Black team compared to the other 2 teams.

That's fair!

I don't think the issue is if 2018s should go to recruiting tournaments or not I think the fact is - all 2018s pay the same amount of $$ and should have access to the same opportunities - winter fall and summer. Why treat them different? Or maybe they should be treated different?

It blows my mind that if you people are that unhappy go somewhere else. You are not doing your kid or yourself any justice. Of course 2018 black will go because the goalie is a "Smith". They are Definately looking at 2018 players like stated above. But that's not to say that there are only good players on the black team only. IT WILL NEVER CHANGE!!!! It will always be the same. You could be missing that good look from a coach that follows your daughter. All it takes is one great game and a good impression to spark a coach's interest in following your daughter.

clinic is great!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

clinic is great!!!

What are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 people chill. The following is a recruiting timeline you need to worry about

Fall 2014 - d1 2017. D2 and d3 2016
Summer 2015 - d1 2018 d2 and d3 2017
Fall 2015 d1 - 2018 d2 and d3 2017

Rising freshmen from top club teams will get lots of looks from the top D1 programs in the fall. Weaker D1 programs will be looking at what's left of the 2017's and 16's. Purple and White 2018 wouldn't get much attention this fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 people chill. The following is a recruiting timeline you need to worry about

Fall 2014 - d1 2017. D2 and d3 2016
Summer 2015 - d1 2018 d2 and d3 2017
Fall 2015 d1 - 2018 d2 and d3 2017

Rising freshmen from top club teams will get lots of looks from the top D1 programs in the fall. Weaker D1 programs will be looking at what's left of the 2017's and 16's. Purple and White 2018 wouldn't get much attention this fall.

Won't get much attention this fall????? They will get no attention this fall as they are not invited to any fall recruitment tournaments.

Oh thank goodness for the "weak D1" prgrams!! I'm sure all of the "strong" programs are looking at the class of 2020 .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh thank goodness for the "weak D1" prgrams!! I'm sure all of the "strong" programs are looking at the class of 2020 .

as long as you leave the 2020 parents home

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 people chill. The following is a recruiting timeline you need to worry about

Fall 2014 - d1 2017. D2 and d3 2016
Summer 2015 - d1 2018 d2 and d3 2017
Fall 2015 d1 - 2018 d2 and d3 2017

Rising freshmen from top club teams will get lots of looks from the top D1 programs in the fall. Weaker D1 programs will be looking at what's left of the 2017's and 16's. Purple and White 2018 wouldn't get much attention this fall.

Won't get much attention this fall????? They will get no attention this fall as they are not invited to any fall recruitment tournaments.

Even if they were invited, nobody would be looking at them, except their crazy parents! BS did them a favor by not sending them. The 2017 purple and white didn't gain anything from going last year.

Who cares!!! College programs know that many of the better athletes are playing soccer, field hockey and other fall sports. Im glad that there is no fall tournaments to try and fit into our girls busy schedules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh thank goodness for the "weak D1" prgrams!! I'm sure all of the "strong" programs are looking at the class of 2020 .

Be pissed-off or be informed....your choice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares!!! College programs know that many of the better athletes are playing soccer, field hockey and other fall sports. Im glad that there is no fall tournaments to try and fit into our girls busy schedules.

Second that!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Parents from both purple and white have complained already. It has fallen on deaf ears. At this point, it is too late to get them in any meaningful fall tournament. Why continue to be milked of all your money if you get nothing in return? When the indoor practices start, will the Black team be there? Or will they be at Sports Hub like last year. Different set of rules for the 2018 Black team compared to the other 2 teams.

That's fair!

I don't think the issue is if 2018s should go to recruiting tournaments or not I think the fact is - all 2018s pay the same amount of $$ and should have access to the same opportunities - winter fall and summer. Why treat them different? Or maybe they should be treated different?

I don't have a daughter old enough to worry about this right now but I have a son. the boys programs are no different but when you say we all pay the same money? what are you saying? I know on the boys side for those more/extras we pay for them.

Are you saying you want the opportunity to pay for more tournaments. but if you are a second tier team what are you really paying for? are you getting your moneys worth, that has got to be the question.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 people chill. The following is a recruiting timeline you need to worry about

Fall 2014 - d1 2017. D2 and d3 2016
Summer 2015 - d1 2018 d2 and d3 2017
Fall 2015 d1 - 2018 d2 and d3 2017

Rising freshmen from top club teams will get lots of looks from the top D1 programs in the fall. Weaker D1 programs will be looking at what's left of the 2017's and 16's. Purple and White 2018 wouldn't get much attention this fall.

Won't get much attention this fall????? They will get no attention this fall as they are not invited to any fall recruitment tournaments.

"Wouldn't"...not the same as "Won't". If you have to misquote someone to make a point, you probably don't have a point. Or you could simply state it without the dramatics........

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Parents from both purple and white have complained already. It has fallen on deaf ears. At this point, it is too late to get them in any meaningful fall tournament. Why continue to be milked of all your money if you get nothing in return? When the indoor practices start, will the Black team be there? Or will they be at Sports Hub like last year. Different set of rules for the 2018 Black team compared to the other 2 teams.

That's fair!

I don't think the issue is if 2018s should go to recruiting tournaments or not I think the fact is - all 2018s pay the same amount of $$ and should have access to the same opportunities - winter fall and summer. Why treat them different? Or maybe they should be treated different?

I don't have a daughter old enough to worry about this right now but I have a son. the boys programs are no different but when you say we all pay the same money? what are you saying? I know on the boys side for those more/extras we pay for them.

Are you saying you want the opportunity to pay for more tournaments. but if you are a second tier team what are you really paying for? are you getting your moneys worth, that has got to be the question.

You're right. The fall tournaments cost extra, so the 2018's are NOT paying the same amount if they don't go. There's no story here. TG did the right thing.

There is a difference between "2018 girls aren't girls aren't doing any fall tournaments" and " only 2018 black are doing a fall tournament". It's not the point of being left out. It's the point of being lied to. Just tell the parents that we are sending the black team somewhere and the rest are staying home. Maybe find a smaller or local tournament for the other teams to play in?

TG "did the right thing" what? Really? You deserve what you get.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG "did the right thing" what? Really? You deserve what you get.

YES, not having the purple and white parents and kids go to MD, for a tournament that doesn't apply to them is "doing the right thing"

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

There is a difference between "2018 girls aren't girls aren't doing any fall tournaments" and " only 2018 black are doing a fall tournament". It's not the point of being left out. It's the point of being lied to. Just tell the parents that we are sending the black team somewhere and the rest are staying home. Maybe find a smaller or local tournament for the other teams to play in?

I'm not in the 2018 group so I don't know who was told what, or if anyone was lied to. If so, obviously that wouldn't be right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

There is a difference between "2018 girls aren't girls aren't doing any fall tournaments" and " only 2018 black are doing a fall tournament". It's not the point of being left out. It's the point of being lied to. Just tell the parents that we are sending the black team somewhere and the rest are staying home. Maybe find a smaller or local tournament for the other teams to play in?

I'm not in the 2018 group so I don't know who was told what, or if anyone was lied to. If so, obviously that wouldn't be right.

Please be realistic. Theblack team is the only team that deserves to attend any of those tournaments and the white and purple teams are there to cover TG costs. YES the black team will be treated different and will attend the best tournaments and YES the white and purple girls will pay the same amount of money to be on TG (excluding an extra tournament fee) and YES the Black team will have access to more opportunities. Purple and White parents, that is what YOU signed up for so dont blame anyone. Enjoy the fall daddy tournaments and hopefully you wont be excluded from those! And dont complain - nobody really cares since your check already cleared.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

There is a difference between "2018 girls aren't girls aren't doing any fall tournaments" and " only 2018 black are doing a fall tournament". It's not the point of being left out. It's the point of being lied to. Just tell the parents that we are sending the black team somewhere and the rest are staying home. Maybe find a smaller or local tournament for the other teams to play in?

I'm not in the 2018 group so I don't know who was told what, or if anyone was lied to. If so, obviously that wouldn't be right.

Please be realistic. Theblack team is the only team that deserves to attend any of those tournaments and the white and purple teams are there to cover TG costs. YES the black team will be treated different and will attend the best tournaments and YES the white and purple girls will pay the same amount of money to be on TG (excluding an extra tournament fee) and YES the Black team will have access to more opportunities. Purple and White parents, that is what YOU signed up for so dont blame anyone. Enjoy the fall daddy tournaments and hopefully you wont be excluded from those! And dont complain - nobody really cares since your check already cleared.

It must be nice to be a YJ parent where everything is so Rosie.
Keep your unwanted comments there and enjoy your 4th team Daughters play

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG "did the right thing" what? Really? You deserve what you get.

YES, not having the purple and white parents and kids go to MD, for a tournament that doesn't apply to them is "doing the right thing"

YJ is sending the second 2018 team to these fall recruiting events. Who btw lost to 2018 purple. The black team is not a strong team, they are barely a step above the purple who is barely a step ahead of white. The YJ Rose team is the real deal and miles ahead of them all.

And it all depends how much extra you pay to be on black.let's face it some girls shouldn't be on black.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

There is a difference between "2018 girls aren't girls aren't doing any fall tournaments" and " only 2018 black are doing a fall tournament". It's not the point of being left out. It's the point of being lied to. Just tell the parents that we are sending the black team somewhere and the rest are staying home. Maybe find a smaller or local tournament for the other teams to play in?

I'm not in the 2018 group so I don't know who was told what, or if anyone was lied to. If so, obviously that wouldn't be right.

Please be realistic. Theblack team is the only team that deserves to attend any of those tournaments and the white and purple teams are there to cover TG costs. YES the black team will be treated different and will attend the best tournaments and YES the white and purple girls will pay the same amount of money to be on TG (excluding an extra tournament fee) and YES the Black team will have access to more opportunities. Purple and White parents, that is what YOU signed up for so dont blame anyone. Enjoy the fall daddy tournaments and hopefully you wont be excluded from those! And dont complain - nobody really cares since your check already cleared.

Hey big shot it's sad how your living your life through your kid. Once your hot shot daughter goes off to one of those fancy schools you're going to have to explain to all of her friends parents who are doctors, lawyers and bankers what a miserable life you have getting on the 4.52 to the jobsite with your lunch pail. Your comments show a severe lack of grace and class.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

There is a difference between "2018 girls aren't girls aren't doing any fall tournaments" and " only 2018 black are doing a fall tournament". It's not the point of being left out. It's the point of being lied to. Just tell the parents that we are sending the black team somewhere and the rest are staying home. Maybe find a smaller or local tournament for the other teams to play in?

I'm not in the 2018 group so I don't know who was told what, or if anyone was lied to. If so, obviously that wouldn't be right.

Please be realistic. Theblack team is the only team that deserves to attend any of those tournaments and the white and purple teams are there to cover TG costs. YES the black team will be treated different and will attend the best tournaments and YES the white and purple girls will pay the same amount of money to be on TG (excluding an extra tournament fee) and YES the Black team will have access to more opportunities. Purple and White parents, that is what YOU signed up for so dont blame anyone. Enjoy the fall daddy tournaments and hopefully you wont be excluded from those! And dont complain - nobody really cares since your check already cleared.

So your evaluation applies to YJ, Elevate etc???? Or are u just a big mouth non TG parent

With Yellow Jackets and Elevate both sending their second teams, why wouldn't TG send theirs? And if they claim Purple and White are on the same level, then they both should go. If I had a daughter on either of those teams, I would want an answer.

Your a person who needs to get their head out of the sand and face reality. Everything stated above is true. Because you choose to ignore it does not mean it's not happening.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

There is a difference between "2018 girls aren't girls aren't doing any fall tournaments" and " only 2018 black are doing a fall tournament". It's not the point of being left out. It's the point of being lied to. Just tell the parents that we are sending the black team somewhere and the rest are staying home. Maybe find a smaller or local tournament for the other teams to play in?

I'm not in the 2018 group so I don't know who was told what, or if anyone was lied to. If so, obviously that wouldn't be right.

Please be realistic. Theblack team is the only team that deserves to attend any of those tournaments and the white and purple teams are there to cover TG costs. YES the black team will be treated different and will attend the best tournaments and YES the white and purple girls will pay the same amount of money to be on TG (excluding an extra tournament fee) and YES the Black team will have access to more opportunities. Purple and White parents, that is what YOU signed up for so dont blame anyone. Enjoy the fall daddy tournaments and hopefully you wont be excluded from those! And dont complain - nobody really cares since your check already cleared.

My daughter just finished playing on TG 2015 Purple. My daughter was one of the bottom half of the roster players on that team. We went to the November tournament's in 2012 & 2013. Back then the recruiting was not as crazy as it is now. I can tell you that in 2012 when they were in 10th grade not many college coaches watched the B team brackets. Most of the coaches were swarming the sidelines of all of the top programs A teams . I remember seeing them 2 deep watching TG , YJ, SW, MD ..... Last November most of the Purple team was heavily recruited . Since recruiting has jumped up a year B team players on the 2017 B teams should be getting looked at. If you are looking to be recruited as a 2018 some coaches may take a look at A teams but B & C are a year away. IMO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

There is a difference between "2018 girls aren't girls aren't doing any fall tournaments" and " only 2018 black are doing a fall tournament". It's not the point of being left out. It's the point of being lied to. Just tell the parents that we are sending the black team somewhere and the rest are staying home. Maybe find a smaller or local tournament for the other teams to play in?

I'm not in the 2018 group so I don't know who was told what, or if anyone was lied to. If so, obviously that wouldn't be right.

If you feel left out now, wait until they send black off to u15 nationals.

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

With Yellow Jackets and Elevate both sending their second teams, why wouldn't TG send theirs? And if they claim Purple and White are on the same level, then they both should go. If I had a daughter on either of those teams, I would want an answer.

Just because YJ and Elevate are sending their teams doesn't make it right for TG purple and white. Again it would be a waste of time and money. These tournaments don't apply to them. Do you want to send the 2019 teams too, if YJ does, or if they're upset that they're not going? I think if you ask Bill he'll give you the same answer.

2017 Purple went to a fall showcase last year!

Yeah good idea. "Ask Bill". Please keep us posted on how that goes.

Yeah good luck with asking bill anything. Be careful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah good idea. "Ask Bill". Please keep us posted on how that goes.

Are you not aloowed to ask these questions? I dont understand, why cant you ask TG how these decisions are made? Is that not the TG protocol?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 Purple went to a fall showcase last year!

Yes and it wasn't worth the trip. It was really for 10th grade and up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah good idea. "Ask Bill". Please keep us posted on how that goes.

Yes if you want an answer ask Bill. If you're afraid, or don't want the truth, and would rather just rant and [lacrosse] on here, then keep up the good work!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah good idea. "Ask Bill". Please keep us posted on how that goes.

Are you not aloowed to ask these questions? I dont understand, why cant you ask TG how these decisions are made? Is that not the TG protocol?

Yes of course you can ask. Bill is always walking around at the tournaments and practices. He's not hiding. You just need to do it the right way, which most people who complain on here probably don't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

With Yellow Jackets and Elevate both sending their second teams, why wouldn't TG send theirs? And if they claim Purple and White are on the same level, then they both should go. If I had a daughter on either of those teams, I would want an answer.

Just because YJ and Elevate are sending their teams doesn't make it right for TG purple and white. Again it would be a waste of time and money. These tournaments don't apply to them. Do you want to send the 2019 teams too, if YJ does, or if they're upset that they're not going? I think if you ask Bill he'll give you the same answer.

As stated earlier.......College coaches know that the better athletes are playing soccer, field hockey, gymnastics etc. Why waste time and money going to a fall tournament. Not going to run daughter ragged and try to fit a meaningless FALL lax tournament into her schedule.

Yes they are. They are looking at "A" players. That's ridiculous they know their playing other sports. Your committed to whatever your main sport all year round there are no exceptions stop with the excuses. It is what it is this is how tg's does it. If you don't like it leave. And yes you must [lacrosse] foot around Bill. Don't listen to the people that say he's attentive because he's not. He walks around tournaments yes. Does he want to be approached NO. I been there and done that. I'm not in denial. I know when I have to go. And when my daughter hits the recruiting age I'm gone. To spend money year after year and not get the most of what is offered is a disgrace. Right now convenient for me, my daughter's are young and then when they get to the recruiting years I know I have to go. This goes on EVERY YEAR. He's got more excuses than anyone I've ever known. He must have a book on how to answer parents questions. Sorry for the truth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

With Yellow Jackets and Elevate both sending their second teams, why wouldn't TG send theirs? And if they claim Purple and White are on the same level, then they both should go. If I had a daughter on either of those teams, I would want an answer.

Just because YJ and Elevate are sending their teams doesn't make it right for TG purple and white. Again it would be a waste of time and money. These tournaments don't apply to them. Do you want to send the 2019 teams too, if YJ does, or if they're upset that they're not going? I think if you ask Bill he'll give you the same answer.

As stated earlier.......College coaches know that the better athletes are playing soccer, field hockey, gymnastics etc. Why waste time and money going to a fall tournament. Not going to run daughter ragged and try to fit a meaningless FALL lax tournament into her schedule.

Well, if your daughter plans on playing lacrosse in college she has to be seen and she's not going to be seen on a soccer field. You have to go to the showcases to be seen and that means missing a weekend of soccer, field hockey, swimming, gymnastics, whatever.

if recruiting is your issue why leave ? I believe just about every 2014 and 2015 player will be playing ball in college? The 2016 class is well on its way with at least 1/2 committed and most of the purple team finalizing their commitments during this fall. If you have a problem with the program you should leave now. Recruiting age is not the best time to be switching clubs. My daughter is a good player but definitely not elite and she has had no problem being recruited. When asked the smiths have been more than helpful.

Glad it worked for you. Good for you!!!! Everybody is no so fortunate. You never know. Thanks for the great advice. (not) You do what you have to do and I will do what I have to do. Stop getting involved in everyone's business. Giving people good advise is a nice thing to do (by the way). I was not bashing them. I am aloud to voice my opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

if recruiting is your issue why leave ? I believe just about every 2014 and 2015 player will be playing ball in college? The 2016 class is well on its way with at least 1/2 committed and most of the purple team finalizing their commitments during this fall. If you have a problem with the program you should leave now. Recruiting age is not the best time to be switching clubs. My daughter is a good player but definitely not elite and she has had no problem being recruited. When asked the smiths have been more than helpful.

I agree, Why wait to leave? Leave now! YJ tryouts are this weekend, Make your move and go off and find somewhere where you will be happy. Maybe TG isn't for you. I know they have been very helpful with the recruiting process and I have no problems with them at all. The majority of you have a problem because your daughters aren't as good as you may believe and no matter what you still hang on and the get pissed because she is not getting looked at, You all believe that you should have the world handed to you because you pay $1350 to be on a team. You are promised 5 summer tournaments and 10 practices and that's it. You also have to stop being lazy and do your own leg work to get your daughter seen. You all have an false entitlement when in all actuality they have fulfilled their obligation to you by providing you the games and practices. If you want more then be prepared to spend more or find another club that gives you more for free.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Glad it worked for you. Good for you!!!! Everybody is no so fortunate. You never know. Thanks for the great advice. (not) You do what you have to do and I will do what I have to do. Stop getting involved in everyone's business. Giving people good advise is a nice thing to do (by the way). I was not bashing them. I am aloud to voice my opinion.

Sorry your daughter sucks at Lax. Do what you have to do and hit the road. If she sucks now, shes gonna still suck on another team.

Ok people like you aren't worth the breath I breath. Sorry see you soon.Btw nice disguise on who you are. Only person your fooling is yourself. Bye bye for now. Until we meet again.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

With Yellow Jackets and Elevate both sending their second teams, why wouldn't TG send theirs? And if they claim Purple and White are on the same level, then they both should go. If I had a daughter on either of those teams, I would want an answer.

Just because YJ and Elevate are sending their teams doesn't make it right for TG purple and white. Again it would be a waste of time and money. These tournaments don't apply to them. Do you want to send the 2019 teams too, if YJ does, or if they're upset that they're not going? I think if you ask Bill he'll give you the same answer.

As stated earlier.......College coaches know that the better athletes are playing soccer, field hockey, gymnastics etc. Why waste time and money going to a fall tournament. Not going to run daughter ragged and try to fit a meaningless FALL lax tournament into her schedule.

Well, if your daughter plans on playing lacrosse in college she has to be seen and she's not going to be seen on a soccer field. You have to go to the showcases to be seen and that means missing a weekend of soccer, field hockey, swimming, gymnastics, whatever.

Yea.......During the summer. Point is do whats best for your kid. Some play other sports in fall.....some dont. Thats fine. People hear want to beat you over the head with their idea. Just do whats right by YOUR kid and things will usually work out for the better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok people like you aren't worth the breath I breath. Sorry see you soon.Btw nice disguise on who you are. Only person your fooling is yourself. Bye bye for now. Until we meet again.

Good Riddance

M&D dropped out of National Draw

omg!! who is writing this. You should be ashamed of yourself. You are a negative person and will have nothing but hardship in your life. For you to bash someone's kid that you dont even know is absoultely disgusting. Your gross. why dont you identify yourself you COWARD.

Rosters Up!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

omg!! who is writing this. You should be ashamed of yourself. You are a negative person and will have nothing but hardship in your life. For you to bash someone's kid that you dont even know is absoultely disgusting. Your gross. why dont you identify yourself you COWARD.

I'm guessing yours isn't doing too well either!

[quote=Anonymous]omg!! who is writing this. You should be ashamed of yourself. You are a negative person and will have nothing but hardship in your life. For you to bash someone's kid that you dont even know is absoultely disgusting. Your gross. why dont you identify yourself you COWARD.

I dont know if this is correct way to quote. But absloutely. That person and him/her daughter is probably like SATAN. You dont write stuff like that. Your a horrible person. Like stated big mouth. State your name. I can guarantee Negative Nancy's daughter is horrible and will not make it anywhere in life with a moter or father and/or like that. WOW. YOU should be the one to leave not the other write.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D dropped out of National Draw

No surprise Tournament Last year was nothing like it was in the past. There were not as many Coaches. It seems other Tournaments are becoming better for recruiting

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]omg!! who is writing this. You should be ashamed of yourself. You are a negative person and will have nothing but hardship in your life. For you to bash someone's kid that you dont even know is absoultely disgusting. Your gross. why dont you identify yourself you COWARD.

I dont know if this is correct way to quote. But absloutely. That person and him/her daughter is probably like SATAN. You dont write stuff like that. Your a horrible person. Like stated big mouth. State your name. I can guarantee Negative Nancy's daughter is horrible and will not make it anywhere in life with a moter or father and/or like that. WOW. YOU should be the one to leave not the other write.

Nice job w the quoting , now go back and practice on editing. Nice of you to go after his child , you must be a mini satan.

Larry thank you for pulling the thread yesterday. Some of the anonymous parents on here are out of their minds. Folks you are bad mouthing pre teen girls. Take a step back and see how disturbing that is. We all want the best for our girls ,where ever that may be. Parents shouldn't judge because it doesn't agree with their opinions.

can there really be 27 girls on 2017 purple roster? nice job TG!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can there really be 27 girls on 2017 purple roster? nice job TG!

27 girls on recruiting year roster - good luck getting playing time!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can there really be 27 girls on 2017 purple roster? nice job TG!

Only 21 on Black I am sure they will move 3 up

Probably. Lol nothing surprising. You act like your shocked.

Keeping 27 on a roster during recruiting years does not help anyone. Not the club, not the girls and not the coaches. Let's hope for the sake of the kids that some are moved.

Will they move girls from purple to black (or white to purple) after rosters are posted?

Would they take that team of 27 and make a white team if they other girls who didn't accept invite come back after they make the 7th YJ team and don't want to play there?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can there really be 27 girls on 2017 purple roster? nice job TG!

Only 21 on Black I am sure they will move 3 up

Why would they move 3 up?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can there really be 27 girls on 2017 purple roster? nice job TG!

Only 21 on Black I am sure they will move 3 up

Why would they move 3 up?

Agree, 21 is about the right roster size for a competitive travel team at recruiting ages. An actual commitment to showcasing the girls and fielding a competitive team? 27 is insane.

Stinks....

It would not be moving "up" as talent wise teams are equal (and my daughter IS on black beforevthe snark comments come). I feel terrible for her friends on purple, having been through the process 27 is just wrong to carry. It's truly not fair to the girls

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can there really be 27 girls on 2017 purple roster? nice job TG!

Only 21 on Black I am sure they will move 3 up

Why would they move 3 up?

because TG rosters usually have 24 players on them in all age groups

Not true. Rosters on some teams went up to 26-27 last year.

typical BS.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can there really be 27 girls on 2017 purple roster? nice job TG!

Only 21 on Black I am sure they will move 3 up

Why would they move 3 up?

because TG rosters usually have 24 players on them in all age groups

That's either not a reason or a really bad one. I can see 24-25 kid rosters at elementary and middle school. They're not being looked at by college coaches yet and, as a club, you can't be sure which kids are going to excel. But High School aged teams, it's all about playing time and recruiting now, that's why you have paid and are paying the money. 20-21 kids tops; black, purple, white...shouldn't matter. Charge more if you have to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can there really be 27 girls on 2017 purple roster? nice job TG!

Only 21 on Black I am sure they will move 3 up

Why would they move 3 up?

Agree, 21 is about the right roster size for a competitive travel team at recruiting ages. An actual commitment to showcasing the girls and fielding a competitive team? 27 is insane.

It is fairly simple... Need extra girls to protect against those that walk away if they make the "right" YJ team. If none walk away, they did not have enough for a third team in this age group so why let the money walk away to another program? They are in the business of lacrosse folks, accept it.

why are you obsessed with the yg. YG is not to blame for every decision that is made for tg. This is the typical reason why people are leaving because of the scams. Just be honest. omg.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can there really be 27 girls on 2017 purple roster? nice job TG!

Only 21 on Black I am sure they will move 3 up

Why would they move 3 up?

Agree, 21 is about the right roster size for a competitive travel team at recruiting ages. An actual commitment to showcasing the girls and fielding a competitive team? 27 is insane.

It is fairly simple... Need extra girls to protect against those that walk away if they make the "right" YJ team. If none walk away, they did not have enough for a third team in this age group so why let the money walk away to another program? They are in the business of lacrosse folks, accept it.

Terrible business model then...shortsighted. 2017 girls (Sophs) don't have much of a choice, almost no movement between clubs at this point. Any 2019 or 2020 parents looking on might take notice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can there really be 27 girls on 2017 purple roster? nice job TG!

Only 21 on Black I am sure they will move 3 up

Why would they move 3 up?

because TG rosters usually have 24 players on them in all age groups

That's either not a reason or a really bad one. I can see 24-25 kid rosters at elementary and middle school. They're not being looked at by college coaches yet and, as a club, you can't be sure which kids are going to excel. But High School aged teams, it's all about playing time and recruiting now, that's why you have paid and are paying the money. 20-21 kids tops; black, purple, white...shouldn't matter. Charge more if you have to.

Exactly, even the top purple players will now have playing time taken away. I can understand if they were cutting the dead weight and adding talent but that is not the case.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can there really be 27 girls on 2017 purple roster? nice job TG!

Only 21 on Black I am sure they will move 3 up

Why would they move 3 up?

Agree, 21 is about the right roster size for a competitive travel team at recruiting ages. An actual commitment to showcasing the girls and fielding a competitive team? 27 is insane.

It is fairly simple... Need extra girls to protect against those that walk away if they make the "right" YJ team. If none walk away, they did not have enough for a third team in this age group so why let the money walk away to another program? They are in the business of lacrosse folks, accept it.

Terrible business model then...shortsighted. 2017 girls (Sophs) don't have much of a choice, almost no movement between clubs at this point. Any 2019 or 2020 parents looking on might take notice.

yeah 2017's are probably stuck at this point. unless levy starts a 2017 team over at legacy!

this means that 2018 are not safe. Same exact thing could happen next year.

Where are all of BS's BFF's to support this great decision.

Last years 2015 rosters had 24 on each. We went to some tournaments with 3 subs. As the girls get older they have too many conflicts and start to skip the Virginia tournaments expesially after they verbally committ

Hey all you 2017 purple parents might want to join forces with 2017 mad dad because you have 31 kids on the roster

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last years 2015 rosters had 24 on each. We went to some tournaments with 3 subs. As the girls get older they have too many conflicts and start to skip the Virginia tournaments expesially after they verbally committ

This is true. And it seems the injuries accrue and impact the players as well. I understand the concerns about not enough playing time, but honestly, in all my experience across multiple sports there seems to be more of an issue having enough subs than too many. The past two years of lax we had to borrow and lend players to the other TG team in order to field. Also, once you hit the showcase circuit the format is showcase, not tournament. So yes, everyone would prefer to win but the reality is it's more about getting all the girls out there to be seen, especially if they know a particular coach is coming to see them. Every coach on every team will work to get a player seen in that situation.

Thanks for the line of BS, BS!!! Lol

24 is more managable than 27! This is the big summer for these girls, SS said at the meeting coaches are looking at them now, going into junior year not senior year! If injuries and not enough subs are an issue shouldn't that have been a concern for black also? Last year purple had 20 and never needed any xtra players. Not like they cut those who didn't perform either.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last years 2015 rosters had 24 on each. We went to some tournaments with 3 subs. As the girls get older they have too many conflicts and start to skip the Virginia tournaments expesially after they verbally committ

This is true. And it seems the injuries accrue and impact the players as well. I understand the concerns about not enough playing time, but honestly, in all my experience across multiple sports there seems to be more of an issue having enough subs than too many. The past two years of lax we had to borrow and lend players to the other TG team in order to field. Also, once you hit the showcase circuit the format is showcase, not tournament. So yes, everyone would prefer to win but the reality is it's more about getting all the girls out there to be seen, especially if they know a particular coach is coming to see them. Every coach on every team will work to get a player seen in that situation.

hope you're right. had 19 on roster last year. cant imagine 27. don't mind that team got worse. only worried about play time and getting seen like you said

I don't think BS is that ignorant thathe would hurt these girls. He has been receiving calls from coaches on some od the purple girls so he knows how important ir is for them to be seen. He knows a few do not belong on team and moved them to white as a courtesy for bei g w the prgram and paying for camps and clinics for the past 5 years. He had no choice but to take them when white folded, and thats where the big roster came from. I think he will make it clear what there role is and II doubt their parents will say anything as they are grateful their daughter is still in the prgram. Nothing anyone can do unitil we see what transpires next month at practice and who goes to the tournaments. In the meantime best of luck to those tryi g out for YJ this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't think BS is that ignorant thathe would hurt these girls. He has been receiving calls from coaches on some od the purple girls so he knows how important ir is for them to be seen. He knows a few do not belong on team and moved them to white as a courtesy for bei g w the prgram and paying for camps and clinics for the past 5 years. He had no choice but to take them when white folded, and thats where the big roster came from. I think he will make it clear what there role is and II doubt their parents will say anything as they are grateful their daughter is still in the prgram. Nothing anyone can do unitil we see what transpires next month at practice and who goes to the tournaments. In the meantime best of luck to those tryi g out for YJ this weekend.

"He had no choice but to take them when white folded" you lost me right there. He runs the program, if he has no choice who does? Who's in charge??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't think BS is that ignorant thathe would hurt these girls. He has been receiving calls from coaches on some od the purple girls so he knows how important ir is for them to be seen. He knows a few do not belong on team and moved them to white as a courtesy for bei g w the prgram and paying for camps and clinics for the past 5 years. He had no choice but to take them when white folded, and thats where the big roster came from. I think he will make it clear what there role is and II doubt their parents will say anything as they are grateful their daughter is still in the prgram. Nothing anyone can do unitil we see what transpires next month at practice and who goes to the tournaments. In the meantime best of luck to those tryi g out for YJ this weekend.

agree with most of what you said except the part about BS making their roles clear. he's not coaching the team and i bet everyone gets equal time which is where the problem will be. we'll see. for defenders it will probably be one shift per half

2021 girls from tg playing in tournament for yg

Good for them!!! They deserve to be in tourneys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 girls from tg playing in tournament for yg

They are playing with their off-season team, Crossfire. A collection of mostly Bayport and ESM girls who have played together for years regardless of club affiliation (many girls played on this team since before they played travel ball). A Bayport Youth lax coach organizes them (his daughter is on the team, and his other daughters are all great players, and they usually play when their isn't a conflict from either club).

No conspiracy here, this team also played in the top guns fall tournaments. So they are spreading the love evenly.

If you think the white parents are going to settle for just being there you are sadly mistaken. They aren't going to be cheerleaders, they are going to play. 27 girls on a team is a nightmare. What happens when 15 of them only play attack and your daughter gets one shift per half? No one benefits from such a big roster. Can't rely on 5 girls missing each tournament either.

whats yg?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 girls from tg playing in tournament for yg

They are playing with their off-season team, Crossfire. A collection of mostly Bayport and ESM girls who have played together for years regardless of club affiliation (many girls played on this team since before they played travel ball). A Bayport Youth lax coach organizes them (his daughter is on the team, and his other daughters are all great players, and they usually play when their isn't a conflict from either club).

No conspiracy here, this team also played in the top guns fall tournaments. So they are spreading the love evenly.

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

If you think the white parents are going to settle for just being there you are sadly mistaken. They aren't going to be cheerleaders, they are going to play. 27 girls on a team is a nightmare. What happens when 15 of them only play attack and your daughter gets one shift per half? No one benefits from such a big roster. Can't rely on 5 girls missing each tournament either.

one shift per half is exactly what it will be for def and attack. nightmare is good word for it.

Who's the ignorant one. Thinking that Bill is planning it all out. Once you get over eight subs it is a nightmare to manage. Feel sorry for the coaches that will have to organize the mess.

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

If you think the white parents are going to settle for just being there you are sadly mistaken. They aren't going to be cheerleaders, they are going to play. 27 girls on a team is a nightmare. What happens when 15 of them only play attack and your daughter gets one shift per half? No one benefits from such a big roster. Can't rely on 5 girls missing each tournament either.

worst part is there are 3 purple players who should be on black anyway

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who's the ignorant one. Thinking that Bill is planning it all out. Once you get over eight subs it is a nightmare to manage. Feel sorry for the coaches that will have to organize the mess.

the coaches won't care and don't even have to answer to parents

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 girls from tg playing in tournament for yg

They are playing with their off-season team, Crossfire. A collection of mostly Bayport and ESM girls who have played together for years regardless of club affiliation (many girls played on this team since before they played travel ball). A Bayport Youth lax coach organizes them (his daughter is on the team, and his other daughters are all great players, and they usually play when their isn't a conflict from either club).

No conspiracy here, this team also played in the top guns fall tournaments. So they are spreading the love evenly.

Say what you want but that will become an issue, its nonsense they are put into tournament as a YJ team and I cannot believe BS and SS will want these kids to play for and line CR pocket in the off season, look what happened to TG at the 2020 and 2019 team. Essentially the Tg kids on that team are at a tryout for YJ and CR will make sure to take the ones she wants .Even better another YJ daddy coach to join the ranks, how are all these parent coaches even qualified to be girls lax coaches .

What the heck is going on, now we have TG rostered players on YJ teams for fall tournaments. YJ has already destroyed the 2019, 2020 age groups and now BS is going to sit back and let his players be the minor leagues for YJ 2021. Amazing that BS is now so desperate for kids to play that he is afraid to speak up to parents of 2021 players and ask for a little loyalty ton the club. To the 2020 parents who stayed with TG maybe we can put a team into some of the fall tournaments under YJ also that way we can have a tryout with out anyone knowing also.

Where does it say that if you are a parent you can't coach. I believe a lot of very good coaches are have children. BS just doesn't want to give up a dime to pay any quality coaches. He will continue to use his daughters name and hope it will attract enough pay checks. I believe that is the main reason that 2020 and 2019 have gone to other clubs

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

If you think the white parents are going to settle for just being there you are sadly mistaken. They aren't going to be cheerleaders, they are going to play. 27 girls on a team is a nightmare. What happens when 15 of them only play attack and your daughter gets one shift per half? No one benefits from such a big roster. Can't rely on 5 girls missing each tournament either.

27 vs 21 means the average black team field players will get ~22 more minutes (a half plus) of playing time at your typical showcase event (4 games) than will the purples. That's a lot considering that minutes are probably more important to the purples from a "getting recruited" perspective.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

If you think the white parents are going to settle for just being there you are sadly mistaken. They aren't going to be cheerleaders, they are going to play. 27 girls on a team is a nightmare. What happens when 15 of them only play attack and your daughter gets one shift per half? No one benefits from such a big roster. Can't rely on 5 girls missing each tournament either.

27 vs 21 means the average black team field players will get ~22 more minutes (a half plus) of playing time at your typical showcase event (4 games) than will the purples. That's a lot considering that minutes are probably more important to the purples from a "getting recruited" perspective.

NOT TRUE - the typical Black player will get 100% more time since the 2018 Purple and White teams are not even invited to the fall recruiting tourneys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 girls from tg playing in tournament for yg

They are playing with their off-season team, Crossfire. A collection of mostly Bayport and ESM girls who have played together for years regardless of club affiliation (many girls played on this team since before they played travel ball). A Bayport Youth lax coach organizes them (his daughter is on the team, and his other daughters are all great players, and they usually play when their isn't a conflict from either club).

No conspiracy here, this team also played in the top guns fall tournaments. So they are spreading the love evenly.

Say what you want but that will become an issue, its nonsense they are put into tournament as a YJ team and I cannot believe BS and SS will want these kids to play for and line CR pocket in the off season, look what happened to TG at the 2020 and 2019 team. Essentially the Tg kids on that team are at a tryout for YJ and CR will make sure to take the ones she wants .Even better another YJ daddy coach to join the ranks, how are all these parent coaches even qualified to be girls lax coaches .

The dad does not coach for yellow jackets, he coaches for the Town team in the town in which the majority of the girls come from. He is a good person and before these girls were old enough for travel he got them together to play in some tournaments. These girls have gone to various clubs (TG and YJ). He is just trying to get the girl's more games. Do not vilify this man for creating opportunities. The topic of which club you play for is never an issue and never comes up when these girls play together, from him. These girls have become friends and may want to continue to play with their friends in club, thus they switch.

Also none of these girls have a signed contract directing them to who they can and can't play with. Outside of their first commitment being to play for their club team in the 5 summer tourns. that they have with their club and when their off season team is at a tourn and competing against their club, they are expected to play for their club. But if their club is not at a tourn who cares who they play for. That is a families decision, not Carol's or Bill's

what makes any college kid qualified?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 girls from tg playing in tournament for yg

They are playing with their off-season team, Crossfire. A collection of mostly Bayport and ESM girls who have played together for years regardless of club affiliation (many girls played on this team since before they played travel ball). A Bayport Youth lax coach organizes them (his daughter is on the team, and his other daughters are all great players, and they usually play when their isn't a conflict from either club).

No conspiracy here, this team also played in the top guns fall tournaments. So they are spreading the love evenly.

Say what you want but that will become an issue, its nonsense they are put into tournament as a YJ team and I cannot believe BS and SS will want these kids to play for and line CR pocket in the off season, look what happened to TG at the 2020 and 2019 team. Essentially the Tg kids on that team are at a tryout for YJ and CR will make sure to take the ones she wants .Even better another YJ daddy coach to join the ranks, how are all these parent coaches even qualified to be girls lax coaches .

The dad does not coach for yellow jackets, he coaches for the Town team in the town in which the majority of the girls come from. He is a good person and before these girls were old enough for travel he got them together to play in some tournaments. These girls have gone to various clubs (TG and YJ). He is just trying to get the girl's more games. Do not vilify this man for creating opportunities. The topic of which club you play for is never an issue and never comes up when these girls play together, from him. These girls have become friends and may want to continue to play with their friends in club, thus they switch.

Also none of these girls have a signed contract directing them to who they can and can't play with. Outside of their first commitment being to play for their club team in the 5 summer tourns. that they have with their club and when their off season team is at a tourn and competing against their club, they are expected to play for their club. But if their club is not at a tourn who cares who they play for. That is a families decision, not Carol's or Bill's

Then why put them in under YJ banner and not just as a Crossfire team with no affiliation to a club. Say what you want but if you think CR would allow kids to play for TG you are wrong. TG has now become the minor league affiliate of YJ, don't worry TG players maybe someday you will get called up to the big leagues.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

If you think the white parents are going to settle for just being there you are sadly mistaken. They aren't going to be cheerleaders, they are going to play. 27 girls on a team is a nightmare. What happens when 15 of them only play attack and your daughter gets one shift per half? No one benefits from such a big roster. Can't rely on 5 girls missing each tournament either.

27 vs 21 means the average black team field players will get ~22 more minutes (a half plus) of playing time at your typical showcase event (4 games) than will the purples. That's a lot considering that minutes are probably more important to the purples from a "getting recruited" perspective.

I bet it won't be 27 by the time the tournaments start. Last year there were girls listed on various teams that weren't playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 girls from tg playing in tournament for yg

They are playing with their off-season team, Crossfire. A collection of mostly Bayport and ESM girls who have played together for years regardless of club affiliation (many girls played on this team since before they played travel ball). A Bayport Youth lax coach organizes them (his daughter is on the team, and his other daughters are all great players, and they usually play when their isn't a conflict from either club).

No conspiracy here, this team also played in the top guns fall tournaments. So they are spreading the love evenly.

Say what you want but that will become an issue, its nonsense they are put into tournament as a YJ team and I cannot believe BS and SS will want these kids to play for and line CR pocket in the off season, look what happened to TG at the 2020 and 2019 team. Essentially the Tg kids on that team are at a tryout for YJ and CR will make sure to take the ones she wants .Even better another YJ daddy coach to join the ranks, how are all these parent coaches even qualified to be girls lax coaches .

The dad does not coach for yellow jackets, he coaches for the Town team in the town in which the majority of the girls come from. He is a good person and before these girls were old enough for travel he got them together to play in some tournaments. These girls have gone to various clubs (TG and YJ). He is just trying to get the girl's more games. Do not vilify this man for creating opportunities. The topic of which club you play for is never an issue and never comes up when these girls play together, from him. These girls have become friends and may want to continue to play with their friends in club, thus they switch.

Also none of these girls have a signed contract directing them to who they can and can't play with. Outside of their first commitment being to play for their club team in the 5 summer tourns. that they have with their club and when their off season team is at a tourn and competing against their club, they are expected to play for their club. But if their club is not at a tourn who cares who they play for. That is a families decision, not Carol's or Bill's

Then why put them in under YJ banner and not just as a Crossfire team with no affiliation to a club. Say what you want but if you think CR would allow kids to play for TG you are wrong. TG has now become the minor league affiliate of YJ, don't worry TG players maybe someday you will get called up to the big leagues.

Bingo, just like the Lady Rebels. There have not been any TG tourneys this fall so perhaps you mean the Lacrosse by 3 Hofstra 7v7 events. Also, the 21 girls listed do not all come from that town. It presents poorly playing across travel teams and it also prevents current YJ Blue players from being with their teammates for this fall tourney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

If you think the white parents are going to settle for just being there you are sadly mistaken. They aren't going to be cheerleaders, they are going to play. 27 girls on a team is a nightmare. What happens when 15 of them only play attack and your daughter gets one shift per half? No one benefits from such a big roster. Can't rely on 5 girls missing each tournament either.

27 vs 21 means the average black team field players will get ~22 more minutes (a half plus) of playing time at your typical showcase event (4 games) than will the purples. That's a lot considering that minutes are probably more important to the purples from a "getting recruited" perspective.

I bet it won't be 27 by the time the tournaments start. Last year there were girls listed on various teams that weren't playing.

Like commercial airlines overbooking flights.... Unfortunately here, if nobody cancels, you can't give then a free ticket and put them on the next available flight.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 girls from tg playing in tournament for yg

They are playing with their off-season team, Crossfire. A collection of mostly Bayport and ESM girls who have played together for years regardless of club affiliation (many girls played on this team since before they played travel ball). A Bayport Youth lax coach organizes them (his daughter is on the team, and his other daughters are all great players, and they usually play when their isn't a conflict from either club).

No conspiracy here, this team also played in the top guns fall tournaments. So they are spreading the love evenly.

Say what you want but that will become an issue, its nonsense they are put into tournament as a YJ team and I cannot believe BS and SS will want these kids to play for and line CR pocket in the off season, look what happened to TG at the 2020 and 2019 team. Essentially the Tg kids on that team are at a tryout for YJ and CR will make sure to take the ones she wants .Even better another YJ daddy coach to join the ranks, how are all these parent coaches even qualified to be girls lax coaches .

The dad does not coach for yellow jackets, he coaches for the Town team in the town in which the majority of the girls come from. He is a good person and before these girls were old enough for travel he got them together to play in some tournaments. These girls have gone to various clubs (TG and YJ). He is just trying to get the girl's more games. Do not vilify this man for creating opportunities. The topic of which club you play for is never an issue and never comes up when these girls play together, from him. These girls have become friends and may want to continue to play with their friends in club, thus they switch.

Also none of these girls have a signed contract directing them to who they can and can't play with. Outside of their first commitment being to play for their club team in the 5 summer tourns. that they have with their club and when their off season team is at a tourn and competing against their club, they are expected to play for their club. But if their club is not at a tourn who cares who they play for. That is a families decision, not Carol's or Bill's

Then why put them in under YJ banner and not just as a Crossfire team with no affiliation to a club. Say what you want but if you think CR would allow kids to play for TG you are wrong. TG has now become the minor league affiliate of YJ, don't worry TG players maybe someday you will get called up to the big leagues.

Bingo, just like the Lady Rebels. There have not been any TG tourneys this fall so perhaps you mean the Lacrosse by 3 Hofstra 7v7 events. Also, the 21 girls listed do not all come from that town. It presents poorly playing across travel teams and it also prevents current YJ Blue players from being with their teammates for this fall tourney.

Quite the opposite, yellow jackets were not bringing any 2021 teams to this tourny, period. Exactly why teams like crossfire and rebels exist, to keep the girls playing at tournaments that the clubs don't go to or bring them to. CR must be ecstatic these kids can't get enough lax, every event gives them experience and makes them better players, thereby making her yj teams better. BS fought every step of this extra lax, foolishly, now all his best players in all the young age groups left. If I were a club director I would encourage every girl on every team to get involved in this type of stuff.

Yes lets play lax 365 days a year starting in 1st grade for Mommy and Daddy.

Originally Posted By: Anonymous

2021 girls from tg playing in tournament for yg

They are playing with their off-season team, Crossfire. A collection of mostly Bayport and ESM girls who have played together for years regardless of club affiliation (many girls played on this team since before they played travel ball). A Bayport Youth lax coach organizes them (his daughter is on the team, and his other daughters are all great players, and they usually play when their isn't a conflict from either club).

No conspiracy here, this team also played in the top guns fall tournaments. So they are spreading the love evenly.

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Say what you want but that will become an issue, its nonsense they are put into tournament as a YJ team and I cannot believe BS and SS will want these kids to play for and line CR pocket in the off season, look what happened to TG at the 2020 and 2019 team. Essentially the Tg kids on that team are at a tryout for YJ and CR will make sure to take the ones she wants .Even better another YJ daddy coach to join the ranks, how are all these parent coaches even qualified to be girls lax coaches .
The dad does not coach for yellow jackets, he coaches for the Town team in the town in which the majority of the girls come from. He is a good person and before these girls were old enough for travel he got them together to play in some tournaments. These girls have gone to various clubs (TG and YJ). He is just trying to get the girl's more games. Do not vilify this man for creating opportunities. The topic of which club you play for is never an issue and never comes up when these girls play together, from him. These girls have become friends and may want to continue to play with their friends in club, thus they switch.

Also none of these girls have a signed contract directing them to who they can and can't play with. Outside of their first commitment being to play for their club team in the 5 summer tourns. that they have with their club and when their off season team is at a tourn and competing against their club, they are expected to play for their club. But if their club is not at a tourn who cares who they play for. That is a families decision, not Carol's or Bill's
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Then why put them in under YJ banner and not just as a Crossfire team with no affiliation to a club. Say what you want but if you think CR would allow kids to play for TG you are wrong. TG has now become the minor league affiliate of YJ, don't worry TG players maybe someday you will get called up to the big leagues.

__________________________

Bingo, just like the Lady Rebels. There have not been any TG tourneys this fall so perhaps you mean the Lacrosse by 3 Hofstra 7v7 events. Also, the 21 girls listed do not all come from that town. It presents poorly playing across travel teams and it also prevents current YJ Blue players from being with their teammates for this fall tourney.

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Quite the opposite, yellow jackets were not bringing any 2021 teams to this tourny, period. Exactly why teams like crossfire and rebels exist, to keep the girls playing at tournaments that the clubs don't go to or bring them to. CR must be ecstatic these kids can't get enough lax, every event gives them experience and makes them better players, thereby making her yj teams better. BS fought every step of this extra lax, foolishly, now all his best players in all the young age groups left. If I were a club director I would encourage every girl on every team to get involved in this type of stuff.

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Nice story, but not accurate. There were/are enough 2021 YJ players to go as one team, I count approx. 17 going on a team to Prime Time Young Guns and heard a couple of other players tried to register but the roster was full. They were not originally going as 2021 because the 2020 group was/is supporting the 2019s who were/are short and the remainder of 2020s were/are mixed with the 2021s as two teams. Simply look at the current rosters on the web site.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

If you think the white parents are going to settle for just being there you are sadly mistaken. They aren't going to be cheerleaders, they are going to play. 27 girls on a team is a nightmare. What happens when 15 of them only play attack and your daughter gets one shift per half? No one benefits from such a big roster. Can't rely on 5 girls missing each tournament either.

27 vs 21 means the average black team field players will get ~22 more minutes (a half plus) of playing time at your typical showcase event (4 games) than will the purples. That's a lot considering that minutes are probably more important to the purples from a "getting recruited" perspective.

I bet it won't be 27 by the time the tournaments start. Last year there were girls listed on various teams that weren't playing.

Like commercial airlines overbooking flights.... Unfortunately here, if nobody cancels, you can't give then a free ticket and put them on the next available flight.

2017 rosters are down. probably being changed for the better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

If you think the white parents are going to settle for just being there you are sadly mistaken. They aren't going to be cheerleaders, they are going to play. 27 girls on a team is a nightmare. What happens when 15 of them only play attack and your daughter gets one shift per half? No one benefits from such a big roster. Can't rely on 5 girls missing each tournament either.

27 vs 21 means the average black team field players will get ~22 more minutes (a half plus) of playing time at your typical showcase event (4 games) than will the purples. That's a lot considering that minutes are probably more important to the purples from a "getting recruited" perspective.

I bet it won't be 27 by the time the tournaments start. Last year there were girls listed on various teams that weren't playing.

Like commercial airlines overbooking flights.... Unfortunately here, if nobody cancels, you can't give then a free ticket and put them on the next available flight.

2017 rosters are down. probably being changed for the better

Adding more girls

Let's see what he'll pull out of his hat!!

What happened? How long is he going to keep roster offline? Really that's his solution to this mess.

He's fixing a mistake. Asking 4 purple girls if they want to go to black. Some of them have already been looked at by multiple schools. Relax, they will be posted soon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened? How long is he going to keep roster offline? Really that's his solution to this mess.

27 girls on 2017 purple and people complained. They listened to the complaints and are making changes. They take the rosters down while they make changes and you complain about that too. It's no wonder BS doesn't like talking to parents. When the rosters come back up, I'm sure their will be complaints about the girls that were moved. Plenty of other programs to go to if you feel you are being treated unfairly.

That's what he just of done to begin with!!!!!'

How do you know so much about what's going on and what BS IS doing quote=Anonymous]He's fixing a mistake. Asking 4 purple girls if they want to go to black. Some of them have already been looked at by multiple schools. Relax, they will be posted soon.[/quote]

I think he's a liar. If those girls have had multiple looks already why are they playing and taking away opportunities from other players? Just tell the truth. Do now black girls have to play with limited playing time? So 25 on black? Really!!! He thinks were all stupid. quote=Anonymous]He's fixing a mistake. Asking 4 purple girls if they want to go to black. Some of them have already been looked at by multiple schools. Relax, they will be posted soon. [/quote]

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened? How long is he going to keep roster offline? Really that's his solution to this mess.

27 girls on 2017 purple and people complained. They listened to the complaints and are making changes. They take the rosters down while they make changes and you complain about that too. It's no wonder BS doesn't like talking to parents. When the rosters come back up, I'm sure their will be complaints about the girls that were moved. Plenty of other programs to go to if you feel you are being treated unfairly.

Exactly. If it's not one thing they [lacrosse] about something else. There are many parents that just complain no matter what, by nature. Most of them are on BOTC! Can't even give credit for fixing a mistake. Next time maybe he'll just leave it, if he's going to crap for fixing it anyway!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's what he just of done to begin with!!!!!'

If I were him I'd never even post rosters. Why bother? All it does is cause headaches.

This is just one of many "mistakes". It's not the first and it won't be the last! Why not answer question above? How do you know? Who are you? How much do you pay to be on tg?

Some did not pay deposit . Tomorrow YJ tryouts. Do the math.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is just one of many "mistakes". It's not the first and it won't be the last! Why not answer question above? How do you know? Who are you? How much do you pay to be on tg?

You still can't give credit for fixing a mistake huh? Are you with TG? If so, why?

No I can't. Yes I am, and he doesn't deserve it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No I can't. Yes I am, and he doesn't deserve it.

The question was - why are you on TG?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No I can't. Yes I am, and he doesn't deserve it.

You're exactly the type of parent he'd rather have leave

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No I can't. Yes I am, and he doesn't deserve it.

You're exactly the type of parent he'd rather have leave

They are just the type of parent that makes BS laugh. He knows you can't stand the sight of him but yet you still keep writing checks. He has to savor opening up your envelopes every 3 months when your payment is due. Go somewhere else. Find an organizer you like and in turn likes you. I wonder if your daughter even knows that you come on this website and cry like a little girl?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is just one of many "mistakes". It's not the first and it won't be the last! Why not answer question above? How do you know? Who are you? How much do you pay to be on tg?

You still can't give credit for fixing a mistake huh? Are you with TG? If so, why?

How do you know he is fixing a mistake?

I'm not a little girl. Sounds like your about maybe 5. And my mission is to get a rise out of people like you. I laugh at you. Your a peon. I will continue because it brings a smile to my face. I've done my job. I always complete my mission. This my pheasant friend has just begun. You haven't seen anything yet. Money is no object. Deal with it! Game on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not a little girl. Sounds like your about maybe 5. And my mission is to get a rise out of people like you. I laugh at you. Your a peon. I will continue because it brings a smile to my face. I've done my job. I always complete my mission. This my pheasant friend has just begun. You haven't seen anything yet. Money is no object. Deal with it! Game on

So this is the part where I say "sticks and stones" or better yet, "I know you are but what am I?" That should make you feel so manly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not a little girl. Sounds like your about maybe 5. And my mission is to get a rise out of people like you. I laugh at you. Your a peon. I will continue because it brings a smile to my face. I've done my job. I always complete my mission. This my pheasant friend has just begun. You haven't seen anything yet. Money is no object. Deal with it! Game on

Money is no object - what does that even mean in the context of this discussion??????

pathetic your sick. Sick dude sick.

Your the one that was justifying dollars and cents. I'm telling you that it's just money. You got it now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not a little girl. Sounds like your about maybe 5. And my mission is to get a rise out of people like you. I laugh at you. Your a peon. I will continue because it brings a smile to my face. I've done my job. I always complete my mission. This my pheasant friend has just begun. You haven't seen anything yet. Money is no object. Deal with it! Game on

You're a complete jackass!

New rosters will be posted after YJ rosters are decided

And how do you know this?

Classy!! Why can't top guns be top guns and yellow jackets be yellow jackets. The jealousy is so irritating. Just do your own thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Classy!! Why can't top guns be top guns and yellow jackets be yellow jackets. The jealousy is so irritating. Just do your own thing.

That would be awesome!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's what he just of done to begin with!!!!!'

If I were him I'd never even post rosters. Why bother? All it does is cause headaches.

Or just post rosters once. Roster 24 kids per team if that's what you want, if 4 decline, you just play the next season with 20 and reload next season/year. It's all the screwing around and apparent lack of planning/forethought that puts people on edge.

Its his lack of caring what anybody thinks.

i would not trust either of the coaches 2021 teams from bayport or esm

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i would not trust either of the coaches 2021 teams from bayport or esm

ESM guy loves to rip apart his own town lax program. The guy thinks he knows everything. People are slowly figuring this guy out. Out for his own kids and will step on anyone and talk both sides of his mouth to do whatever he can.

You know what unfortunately at the end of the day, you must worry about your own kids. Its dog eat dog. It's the way it is. Get used to it or get out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i would not trust either of the coaches 2021 teams from bayport or esm

What club are you talking about ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You know what unfortunately at the end of the day, you must worry about your own kids. Its dog eat dog. It's the way it is. Get used to it or get out.

Yeah and these guys both go way out of their way to help tons of other kids too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You know what unfortunately at the end of the day, you must worry about your own kids. Its dog eat dog. It's the way it is. Get used to it or get out.

Yeah and these guys both go way out of their way to help tons of other kids too.

Two guys going out of their way to help promote their towns lax programs. We need more like this. Way to bash a couple of guys giving up their time to help a lot of girls. Yeah you're right this is horrible! You people need to get a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You know what unfortunately at the end of the day, you must worry about your own kids. Its dog eat dog. It's the way it is. Get used to it or get out.

Yeah and these guys both go way out of their way to help tons of other kids too.

Two guys going out of their way to help promote their towns lax programs. We need more like this. Way to bash a couple of guys giving up their time to help a lot of girls. Yeah you're right this is horrible! You people need to get a life.
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Who is bashing? Just stating a fact the one guy is a know it all who never even picked up a stick

It's more than what your doing!!! Your on here judging and critizing everything everyone does instead of being proactive in your daughter's life. You need to get a life. Realize that the only person that cares about your kid is you. Next your going to say that BS cares. Then you need to have yourself committed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You know what unfortunately at the end of the day, you must worry about your own kids. Its dog eat dog. It's the way it is. Get used to it or get out.

Yeah and these guys both go way out of their way to help tons of other kids too.

Two guys going out of their way to help promote their towns lax programs. We need more like this. Way to bash a couple of guys giving up their time to help a lot of girls. Yeah you're right this is horrible! You people need to get a life.

He goes out of his way because he's a control freak and thinks no one can do it better than him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i would not trust either of the coaches 2021 teams from bayport or esm

ESM guy loves to rip apart his own town lax program. The guy thinks he knows everything. People are slowly figuring this guy out. Out for his own kids and will step on anyone and talk both sides of his mouth to do whatever he can.

Seems like the popular vote is YOU ARE A TOOL!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You know what unfortunately at the end of the day, you must worry about your own kids. Its dog eat dog. It's the way it is. Get used to it or get out.

Yeah and these guys both go way out of their way to help tons of other kids too.

Two guys going out of their way to help promote their towns lax programs. We need more like this. Way to bash a couple of guys giving up their time to help a lot of girls. Yeah you're right this is horrible! You people need to get a life.
[/

Who is bashing? Just stating a fact the one guy is a know it all who never even picked up a stick

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You know what unfortunately at the end of the day, you must worry about your own kids. Its dog eat dog. It's the way it is. Get used to it or get out.

Yeah and these guys both go way out of their way to help tons of other kids too.

Two guys going out of their way to help promote their towns lax programs. We need more like this. Way to bash a couple of guys giving up their time to help a lot of girls. Yeah you're right this is horrible! You people need to get a life.
[/

Who is bashing? Just stating a fact the one guy is a know it all who never even picked up a stick

First of all, whether he has picked up a stick or not is irrelevant. Girls game is a different game from the boys. Second, the best high school coach in the country was a basketball coach until he switched to girls lacrosse. His team, McDonogh School hasn't lost in since 2009

Why were the 2017 rosters removed?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why were the 2017 rosters removed?

Have never seen ANYTHING like this before - what a cluster!Rosters are up, down, up, down! Who cares, just put them up and leave them up. If girls tried out and were offered a spot and paid a deposit, put them on the roset. If they leave or stop paying remove them, no need to take down an entire team! This is such a mess.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You know what unfortunately at the end of the day, you must worry about your own kids. Its dog eat dog. It's the way it is. Get used to it or get out.

Yeah and these guys both go way out of their way to help tons of other kids too.

Two guys going out of their way to help promote their towns lax programs. We need more like this. Way to bash a couple of guys giving up their time to help a lot of girls. Yeah you're right this is horrible! You people need to get a life.
[/

Who is bashing? Just stating a fact the one guy is a know it all who never even picked up a stick

Would it shock you to learn that the most successful club in MD. and the High School Team that has been number 1 in the country for the last 6 years is run by a guy who never picked up a stick either. Go ahead and check it out. Now who is the know it all? The kids are given the chance to play and these guys give up their free time, sounds pretty good to me.
.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You know what unfortunately at the end of the day, you must worry about your own kids. Its dog eat dog. It's the way it is. Get used to it or get out.

Yeah and these guys both go way out of their way to help tons of other kids too.

Two guys going out of their way to help promote their towns lax programs. We need more like this. Way to bash a couple of guys giving up their time to help a lot of girls. Yeah you're right this is horrible! You people need to ge

Would it shock you to learn that the most successful club in MD. and the High School Team that has been number 1 in the country for the last 6 years is run by a guy who never picked up a stick either. Go ahead and check it out. Now who is the know it all? The kids are given the chance to play and these guys give up their free time, sounds pretty good to me.
.

What "guys" I'm talking about the ESM guy who a couple of years ago halted a fourth grade lax game to get the rule book out of his car because he disagreed with a call. His favorite word for every other player but his own is "one dimensional"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why were the 2017 rosters removed?

Have never seen ANYTHING like this before - what a cluster!Rosters are up, down, up, down! Who cares, just put them up and leave them up. If girls tried out and were offered a spot and paid a deposit, put them on the roset. If they leave or stop paying remove them, no need to take down an entire team! This is such a mess.

they should just forget posting rosters all together. that's where this is probably heading, since everyone analyzes them and complains. why post them at all?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why were the 2017 rosters removed?

Have never seen ANYTHING like this before - what a cluster!Rosters are up, down, up, down! Who cares, just put them up and leave them up. If girls tried out and were offered a spot and paid a deposit, put them on the roset. If they leave or stop paying remove them, no need to take down an entire team! This is such a mess.

they should just forget posting rosters all together. that's where this is probably heading, since everyone analyzes them and complains. why post them at all?

Do you honestly think the Smith clan are pulling rosters based on what they read on this forum??they don't care what you idiots post! Can we just give them credit for realizing 27 was not fair to those who count the most- the girl! In addition to parents not making deposits , and YJ tryout this weekend. Holding back one grade of rosters because of complaints on a forum would be immature and hurtful to the teams, no reason for that. If he were to not publush rosters it would be for all teams. So be patient and wait until Tuesday when YJ tryouts are posted.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why were the 2017 rosters removed?

Have never seen ANYTHING like this before - what a cluster!Rosters are up, down, up, down! Who cares, just put them up and leave them up. If girls tried out and were offered a spot and paid a deposit, put them on the roset. If they leave or stop paying remove them, no need to take down an entire team! This is such a mess.

they should just forget posting rosters all together. that's where this is probably heading, since everyone analyzes them and complains. why post them at all?

Do you honestly think the Smith clan are pulling rosters based on what they read on this forum??they don't care what you idiots post! Can we just give them credit for realizing 27 was not fair to those who count the most- the girl! In addition to parents not making deposits , and YJ tryout this weekend. Holding back one grade of rosters because of complaints on a forum would be immature and hurtful to the teams, no reason for that. If he were to not publush rosters it would be for all teams. So be patient and wait until Tuesday when YJ tryouts are posted.

that's what they should do - forget posting rosters for all grades, so these crazy people on here have one less thing to [lacrosse] about

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why were the 2017 rosters removed?

Have never seen ANYTHING like this before - what a cluster!Rosters are up, down, up, down! Who cares, just put them up and leave them up. If girls tried out and were offered a spot and paid a deposit, put them on the roset. If they leave or stop paying remove them, no need to take down an entire team! This is such a mess.

they should just forget posting rosters all together. that's where this is probably heading, since everyone analyzes them and complains. why post them at all?

Do you honestly think the Smith clan are pulling rosters based on what they read on this forum??they don't care what you idiots post! Can we just give them credit for realizing 27 was not fair to those who count the most- the girl! In addition to parents not making deposits , and YJ tryout this weekend. Holding back one grade of rosters because of complaints on a forum would be immature and hurtful to the teams, no reason for that. If he were to not publush rosters it would be for all teams. So be patient and wait until Tuesday when YJ tryouts are posted.

that's what they should do - forget posting rosters for all grades, so these crazy people on here have one less thing to [lacrosse] about

Or, if you are going to be held hostage to the YJ try-outs, just schedule TG try-outs for the same weekend or the weekend before. No need to pull rosters, over subsribe teams......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why were the 2017 rosters removed?

Have never seen ANYTHING like this before - what a cluster!Rosters are up, down, up, down! Who cares, just put them up and leave them up. If girls tried out and were offered a spot and paid a deposit, put them on the roset. If they leave or stop paying remove them, no need to take down an entire team! This is such a mess.

they should just forget posting rosters all together. that's where this is probably heading, since everyone analyzes them and complains. why post them at all?

To run a transparent organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why were the 2017 rosters removed?

Have never seen ANYTHING like this before - what a cluster!Rosters are up, down, up, down! Who cares, just put them up and leave them up. If girls tried out and were offered a spot and paid a deposit, put them on the roset. If they leave or stop paying remove them, no need to take down an entire team! This is such a mess.

they should just forget posting rosters all together. that's where this is probably heading, since everyone analyzes them and complains. why post them at all?

Do you honestly think the Smith clan are pulling rosters based on what they read on this forum??they don't care what you idiots post! Can we just give them credit for realizing 27 was not fair to those who count the most- the girl! In addition to parents not making deposits , and YJ tryout this weekend. Holding back one grade of rosters because of complaints on a forum would be immature and hurtful to the teams, no reason for that. If he were to not publush rosters it would be for all teams. So be patient and wait until Tuesday when YJ tryouts are posted.

that's what they should do - forget posting rosters for all grades, so these crazy people on here have one less thing to [lacrosse] about

Or, if you are going to be held hostage to the YJ try-outs, just schedule TG try-outs for the same weekend or the weekend before. No need to pull rosters, over subsribe teams......

I hoping my daughter makes the 8th YJ 2017 team

The smiths and rose clan could care less about all this. They probably could care less about team make up to. As long as the money keeps pouring in they are happy. All the talk about both their clubs is good for business and to them that is all it is.

They probably have about 1200 kids between them which generates well over $2 MILLION dollars a year. All to play a game.

That is such an idiotic excuse. I can't believe someone would condone this type of behavior. Your an enabler!! Post the rosters and do not pull them to "fix a mistake". Grow up! Lack of education and common sense and making people feel like they are actually care cared about

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is such an idiotic excuse. I can't believe someone would condone this type of behavior. Your an enabler!! Post the rosters and do not pull them to "fix a mistake". Grow up! Lack of education and common sense and making people feel like they are actually care cared about

forget posting rosters. look at all the boys & girls programs that don't post rosters and have been very successful for many years. I don't know why any programs would post them in the first place. when you get to practice you'll know who's on your team. simple.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is such an idiotic excuse. I can't believe someone would condone this type of behavior. Your an enabler!! Post the rosters and do not pull them to "fix a mistake". Grow up! Lack of education and common sense and making people feel like they are actually care cared about

Travel lacrosse is not for people with good souls or weak hearts. You should get out while you still can!

Even the 6th team on Yg is better than any team for Tg. Just saying

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Even the 6th team on Yg is better than any team for Tg. Just saying

Ha Ha Ha.. Now that's funny!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is such an idiotic excuse. I can't believe someone would condone this type of behavior. Your an enabler!! Post the rosters and do not pull them to "fix a mistake". Grow up! Lack of education and common sense and making people feel like they are actually care cared about

forget posting rosters. look at all the boys & girls programs that don't post rosters and have been very successful for many years. I don't know why any programs would post them in the first place. when you get to practice you'll know who's on your team. simple.

Who might those successful girls programs be?

I think the poster that stated that tg should hold their tryouts the same weknd or the weekend before, is a genus

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is such an idiotic excuse. I can't believe someone would condone this type of behavior. Your an enabler!! Post the rosters and do not pull them to "fix a mistake". Grow up! Lack of education and common sense and making people feel like they are actually care cared about

forget posting rosters. look at all the boys & girls programs that don't post rosters and have been very successful for many years. I don't know why any programs would post them in the first place. when you get to practice you'll know who's on your team. simple.

Who might those successful girls programs be?

Other than YJ, TG, and Elevate, what other programs DO post rosters?
Do ANY boys programs post rosters? It's completely unnecessary...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Even the 6th team on Yg is better than any team for Tg. Just saying

It's better because I get one of those yellow jacket stickers to out on my car and my neighbors can think my 6th team kid is a super star.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is such an idiotic excuse. I can't believe someone would condone this type of behavior. Your an enabler!! Post the rosters and do not pull them to "fix a mistake". Grow up! Lack of education and common sense and making people feel like they are actually care cared about

forget posting rosters. look at all the boys & girls programs that don't post rosters and have been very successful for many years. I don't know why any programs would post them in the first place. when you get to practice you'll know who's on your team. simple.

Who might those successful girls programs be?

Other than YJ, TG, and Elevate, what other programs DO post rosters?

Do ANY boys programs post rosters? It's completely unnecessary...

Ok but why not pull the entire program rosters?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is such an idiotic excuse. I can't believe someone would condone this type of behavior. Your an enabler!! Post the rosters and do not pull them to "fix a mistake". Grow up! Lack of education and common sense and making people feel like they are actually care cared about

forget posting rosters. look at all the boys & girls programs that don't post rosters and have been very successful for many years. I don't know why any programs would post them in the first place. when you get to practice you'll know who's on your team. simple.

Who might those successful girls programs be?

Other than YJ, TG, and Elevate, what other programs DO post rosters?

Do ANY boys programs post rosters? It's completely unnecessary...

Ok but why not pull the entire program rosters?

They only took down 2017 so they can fix it, but people even [lacrosse] about that. maybe next year they won't post them at all for any teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is such an idiotic excuse. I can't believe someone would condone this type of behavior. Your an enabler!! Post the rosters and do not pull them to "fix a mistake". Grow up! Lack of education and common sense and making people feel like they are actually care cared about

forget posting rosters. look at all the boys & girls programs that don't post rosters and have been very successful for many years. I don't know why any programs would post them in the first place. when you get to practice you'll know who's on your team. simple.

Who might those successful girls programs be?

Other than YJ, TG, and Elevate, what other programs DO post rosters?

Do ANY boys programs post rosters? It's completely unnecessary...

Ok but why not pull the entire program rosters?

Just shut up you spoiled brat. not everything will always go your way..Stop whining.

Clubs should send a roster with the email of the team that you make.....Everyone wants to know who their teammates are and since you are investing money into a club hopefully to improve your kids skills and ability....you deserve to know who you will be playing and sharing the sidelines with. But, if a club chooses to post rosters, it should only be accessible to club players and parents with a password protected sign on to the clubs website. This way only the people who need to see the rosters get access and not the whole world. This is especially important for a club with more than 2 teams per age group because you never know if HS or college coaches peruse the rosters or not and if so, your club placement could influence their decisions about whether you make their team or not.

Lax Cure schedules are up - NO TG teams playing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lax Cure schedules are up - NO TG teams playing?

TG does not play in Lax Cure

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clubs should send a roster with the email of the team that you make.....Everyone wants to know who their teammates are and since you are investing money into a club hopefully to improve your kids skills and ability....you deserve to know who you will be playing and sharing the sidelines with. But, if a club chooses to post rosters, it should only be accessible to club players and parents with a password protected sign on to the clubs website. This way only the people who need to see the rosters get access and not the whole world. This is especially important for a club with more than 2 teams per age group because you never know if HS or college coaches peruse the rosters or not and if so, your club placement could influence their decisions about whether you make their team or not.

A lot of other clubs not on Long Island have password protected websites, not a bad idea considering half the people that go on the website are non club related and just looking to be nosey and start trouble.

I also think that the TG website needs a makeover and to be kept updated with useful information. There is nothing of use or content on there, Summer tournaments still on 2020 and 2021 page, no helpful tips/ideas, no news, nothing but a boring old site. Sometimes you have to spend money to make money, not just collect the money and don't reinvest in the club or kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lax Cure schedules are up - NO TG teams playing?

Well, did you see any on the schedule? No? Then I guess they're not playing...dumb question...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is such an idiotic excuse. I can't believe someone would condone this type of behavior. Your an enabler!! Post the rosters and do not pull them to "fix a mistake". Grow up! Lack of education and common sense and making people feel like they are actually care cared about

forget posting rosters. look at all the boys & girls programs that don't post rosters and have been very successful for many years. I don't know why any programs would post them in the first place. when you get to practice you'll know who's on your team. simple.

Who might those successful girls programs be?

Other than YJ, TG, and Elevate, what other programs DO post rosters?
Do ANY boys programs post rosters? It's completely unnecessary...

They do it to keep everyone talking and talking and talking. It is about BUSINESS they could care less about an individual team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is such an idiotic excuse. I can't believe someone would condone this type of behavior. Your an enabler!! Post the rosters and do not pull them to "fix a mistake". Grow up! Lack of education and common sense and making people feel like they are actually care cared about

forget posting rosters. look at all the boys & girls programs that don't post rosters and have been very successful for many years. I don't know why any programs would post them in the first place. when you get to practice you'll know who's on your team. simple.

Who might those successful girls programs be?

Other than YJ, TG, and Elevate, what other programs DO post rosters?
Do ANY boys programs post rosters? It's completely unnecessary...

You were the one who said there were successful girls programs that don't post rosters, why not simply answer the question? I'll help by eliminating a few: In addition to Yellow Jackets, Elevate and Top Guns...M&D, Skywalkers, Capital, Hero's, TLC, Lady Roc all post rosters...fool

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is such an idiotic excuse. I can't believe someone would condone this type of behavior. Your an enabler!! Post the rosters and do not pull them to "fix a mistake". Grow up! Lack of education and common sense and making people feel like they are actually care cared about

forget posting rosters. look at all the boys & girls programs that don't post rosters and have been very successful for many years. I don't know why any programs would post them in the first place. when you get to practice you'll know who's on your team. simple.

Who might those successful girls programs be?

Other than YJ, TG, and Elevate, what other programs DO post rosters?
Do ANY boys programs post rosters? It's completely unnecessary...

You were the one who said there were successful girls programs that don't post rosters, why not simply answer the question? I'll help by eliminating a few: In addition to Yellow Jackets, Elevate and Top Guns...M&D, Skywalkers, Capital, Hero's, TLC, Lady Roc all post rosters...fool

Does posting rosters make them successful? Is there a boys program that posts rosters? Are they all unsuccessf? What is the purpose of posting rosters anyway?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lax Cure schedules are up - NO TG teams playing?

TG does not play in Lax Cure

Why, they don't like playing in charity tournaments?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is such an idiotic excuse. I can't believe someone would condone this type of behavior. Your an enabler!! Post the rosters and do not pull them to "fix a mistake". Grow up! Lack of education and common sense and making people feel like they are actually care cared about

forget posting rosters. look at all the boys & girls programs that don't post rosters and have been very successful for many years. I don't know why any programs would post them in the first place. when you get to practice you'll know who's on your team. simple.

Who might those successful girls programs be?

Other than YJ, TG, and Elevate, what other programs DO post rosters?
Do ANY boys programs post rosters? It's completely unnecessary...

You were the one who said there were successful girls programs that don't post rosters, why not simply answer the question? I'll help by eliminating a few: In addition to Yellow Jackets, Elevate and Top Guns...M&D, Skywalkers, Capital, Hero's, TLC, Lady Roc all post rosters...fool

Does posting rosters make them successful? Is there a boys program that posts rosters? Are they all unsuccessf? What is the purpose of posting rosters anyway?

Still not answering questions? Why not admit you didn't have any idea what you were talking about and move on?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is such an idiotic excuse. I can't believe someone would condone this type of behavior. Your an enabler!! Post the rosters and do not pull them to "fix a mistake". Grow up! Lack of education and common sense and making people feel like they are actually care cared about

forget posting rosters. look at all the boys & girls programs that don't post rosters and have been very successful for many years. I don't know why any programs would post them in the first place. when you get to practice you'll know who's on your team. simple.

Who might those successful girls programs be?

Other than YJ, TG, and Elevate, what other programs DO post rosters?
Do ANY boys programs post rosters? It's completely unnecessary...

You were the one who said there were successful girls programs that don't post rosters, why not simply answer the question? I'll help by eliminating a few: In addition to Yellow Jackets, Elevate and Top Guns...M&D, Skywalkers, Capital, Hero's, TLC, Lady Roc all post rosters...fool

Does posting rosters make them successful? Is there a boys program that posts rosters? Are they all unsuccessf? What is the purpose of posting rosters anyway?

It certainly helps the girls get name recognition and select team consideration when trying out. The girls become known quantities at YJs, name on uniforms is also essential for top players in recognition. My daughters played TGs for years, watch many games, never know who is who on field if watching any other team than my daughters. Individual YJ players become much better known and actually locally ( some nationally) famous. I can rattle off dozens of names of relevant YJ players and only a few TG. YJ is way ahead in developing and promoting its players, and in the end that is exactly what this is about.

YOU haven't answered the question! What is the purpose of posting rosters? Is it just for losers like you to pick them apart and [lacrosse] if they get changed, or taken down?

You obviously have a learning disability. It was clearly answered. This explains to me why you agree with ludicrous decisions. You are clearly a miserable person.

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It certainly helps the girls get name recognition and select team consideration when trying out. The girls become known quantities at YJs, name on uniforms is also essential for top players in recognition. My daughters played TGs for years, watch many games, never know who is who on field if watching any other team than my daughters. Individual YJ players become much better known and actually locally ( some nationally) famous. I can rattle off dozens of names of relevant YJ players and only a few TG. YJ is way ahead in developing and promoting its players, and in the end that is exactly what this is about. [/quote]

Your Kidding right ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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It certainly helps the girls get name recognition and select team consideration when trying out. The girls become known quantities at YJs, name on uniforms is also essential for top players in recognition. My daughters played TGs for years, watch many games, never know who is who on field if watching any other team than my daughters. Individual YJ players become much better known and actually locally ( some nationally) famous. I can rattle off dozens of names of relevant YJ players and only a few TG. YJ is way ahead in developing and promoting its players, and in the end that is exactly what this is about.

Your Kidding right ? [/quote]

I know, they must be kidding! The name on jerseys makes sense, but the rosters getting the girls name recognition??? That's funny!

Ok enough with the roster bickering gosh, you people don't know when to quit. 2017 Rosters are getting fixed and that's it! You people have way too much time to spend going back and forth about a non topic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YOU haven't answered the question! What is the purpose of posting rosters? Is it just for losers like you to pick them apart and [lacrosse] if they get changed, or taken down?

Let me get this straight

You said �forget posting rosters. look at all the boys & girls programs that don't post rosters and have been very successful for many years.�

I said � Who might those successful girls programs be?�

You said �Other than YJ, TG, and Elevate, what other programs DO post rosters?�

I gave you half a dozen of the best programs in the country. And I'm the one not answering the question?

Simple question: "Who might those successful girls programs be?�. You claimed they existed, I simple asked who they were. Fool

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YOU haven't answered the question! What is the purpose of posting rosters? Is it just for losers like you to pick them apart and [lacrosse] if they get changed, or taken down?

Let me get this straight

You said �forget posting rosters. look at all the boys & girls programs that don't post rosters and have been very successful for many years.�

I said � Who might those successful girls programs be?�

You said �Other than YJ, TG, and Elevate, what other programs DO post rosters?�

I gave you half a dozen of the best programs in the country. And I'm the one not answering the question?

Simple question: "Who might those successful girls programs be?�. You claimed they existed, I simple asked who they were. Fool

EVERY boys program. My question has always been - why post rosters? I haven't seen your answer yet moron.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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It certainly helps the girls get name recognition and select team consideration when trying out. The girls become known quantities at YJs, name on uniforms is also essential for top players in recognition. My daughters played TGs for years, watch many games, never know who is who on field if watching any other team than my daughters. Individual YJ players become much better known and actually locally ( some nationally) famous. I can rattle off dozens of names of relevant YJ players and only a few TG. YJ is way ahead in developing and promoting its players, and in the end that is exactly what this is about.

Your Kidding right ?

I know, they must be kidding! The name on jerseys makes sense, but the rosters getting the girls name recognition??? That's funny! [/quote]

In the case of YJ they absolutely background check directly from the rosters. In all these select group team tryouts ( not talking club) all the girls pre register, they cross check teams and age groups to see where kids are coming from. If you got 200 kids trying out, the couple TG black and YJ Blue that show up will be pre known. The evaluators have a rough draft roster heading into selections all based on roster hunting names. If nothing else it certainly gives kids the benefit of the doubt headed in and gets them looked at.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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It certainly helps the girls get name recognition and select team consideration when trying out. The girls become known quantities at YJs, name on uniforms is also essential for top players in recognition. My daughters played TGs for years, watch many games, never know who is who on field if watching any other team than my daughters. Individual YJ players become much better known and actually locally ( some nationally) famous. I can rattle off dozens of names of relevant YJ players and only a few TG. YJ is way ahead in developing and promoting its players, and in the end that is exactly what this is about.

Your Kidding right ?

I know, they must be kidding! The name on jerseys makes sense, but the rosters getting the girls name recognition??? That's funny!

In the case of YJ they absolutely background check directly from the rosters. In all these select group team tryouts ( not talking club) all the girls pre register, they cross check teams and age groups to see where kids are coming from. If you got 200 kids trying out, the couple TG black and YJ Blue that show up will be pre known. The evaluators have a rough draft roster heading into selections all based on roster hunting names. If nothing else it certainly gives kids the benefit of the doubt headed in and gets them looked at. [/quote]

Finally! An intelligent answer to the question about posting rosters (not like that moron calling me a fool!). If this happens like you said, it makes sense. Thanks for the reply without any nonsense or name calling!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YOU haven't answered the question! What is the purpose of posting rosters? Is it just for losers like you to pick them apart and [lacrosse] if they get changed, or taken down?

Let me get this straight

You said �forget posting rosters. look at all the boys & girls programs that don't post rosters and have been very successful for many years.�

I said � Who might those successful girls programs be?�

You said �Other than YJ, TG, and Elevate, what other programs DO post rosters?�

I gave you half a dozen of the best programs in the country. And I'm the one not answering the question?

Simple question: "Who might those successful girls programs be?�. You claimed they existed, I simple asked who they were. Fool

EVERY boys program. My question has always been - why post rosters? I haven't seen your answer yet moron.

Who might those successful girls programs you referenced be? While avoiding defending your claim, you asked that I name other successful programs in addition to YJ, TG and Elevate, which I did. Then you ask another question while yet again refusing to defend your inital claim. You made the claim, now support it. Do you always talk crap and when called on it, deflect and redirect.

Also, you do understand there is a difference between boys and girls right?

lets start a new more productive thread ...so whats the best girls lax stick ....mid-field....attack...defense

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YOU haven't answered the question! What is the purpose of posting rosters? Is it just for losers like you to pick them apart and [lacrosse] if they get changed, or taken down?

Let me get this straight

You said �forget posting rosters. look at all the boys & girls programs that don't post rosters and have been very successful for many years.�

I said � Who might those successful girls programs be?�

You said �Other than YJ, TG, and Elevate, what other programs DO post rosters?�

I gave you half a dozen of the best programs in the country. And I'm the one not answering the question?

Simple question: "Who might those successful girls programs be?�. You claimed they existed, I simple asked who they were. Fool

EVERY boys program. My question has always been - why post rosters? I haven't seen your answer yet moron.

Who might those successful girls programs you referenced be? While avoiding defending your claim, you asked that I name other successful programs in addition to YJ, TG and Elevate, which I did. Then you ask another question while yet again refusing to defend your inital claim. You made the claim, now support it. Do you always talk crap and when called on it, deflect and redirect.

Also, you do understand there is a difference between boys and girls right?

You still never answered the question. I'm done arguing with you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets start a new more productive thread ...so whats the best girls lax stick ....mid-field....attack...defense

Good idea!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets start a new more productive thread ...so whats the best girls lax stick ....mid-field....attack...defense

Good idea!

Is the new Crux 500 worth the investment? I'm not sure nice stick for working in tight spaces but I don't know if it's a stick that anyone but attack can use. Pretty tough to get off a long pass with the stringing set up

Good idea.. It shouldn't be long before there is another shannanigan by the tg's organization.

my daughter likes the 10 degree stx stick

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets start a new more productive thread ...so whats the best girls lax stick ....mid-field....attack...defense

Good idea!

Is the new Crux 500 worth the investment? I'm not sure nice stick for working in tight spaces but I don't know if it's a stick that anyone but attack can use. Pretty tough to get off a long pass with the stringing set up

Pocket borderline illegal right off the shelf. probably needs much adjustment during games

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets start a new more productive thread ...so whats the best girls lax stick ....mid-field....attack...defense

Good idea!

Is the new Crux 500 worth the investment? I'm not sure nice stick for working in tight spaces but I don't know if it's a stick that anyone but attack can use. Pretty tough to get off a long pass with the stringing set up

Pocket borderline illegal right off the shelf. probably needs much adjustment during games

I wonder which girls on our roster will buy that stick - oh we don't have the roster!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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It certainly helps the girls get name recognition and select team consideration when trying out. The girls become known quantities at YJs, name on uniforms is also essential for top players in recognition. My daughters played TGs for years, watch many games, never know who is who on field if watching any other team than my daughters. Individual YJ players become much better known and actually locally ( some nationally) famous. I can rattle off dozens of names of relevant YJ players and only a few TG. YJ is way ahead in developing and promoting its players, and in the end that is exactly what this is about.

Your Kidding right ?

I know, they must be kidding! The name on jerseys makes sense, but the rosters getting the girls name recognition??? That's funny!

In the case of YJ they absolutely background check directly from the rosters. In all these select group team tryouts ( not talking club) all the girls pre register, they cross check teams and age groups to see where kids are coming from. If you got 200 kids trying out, the couple TG black and YJ Blue that show up will be pre known. The evaluators have a rough draft roster heading into selections all based on roster hunting names. If nothing else it certainly gives kids the benefit of the doubt headed in and gets them looked at.

Finally! An intelligent answer to the question about posting rosters (not like that moron calling me a fool!). If this happens like you said, it makes sense. Thanks for the reply without any nonsense or name calling! [/quote]

They ask the clubs for rosters, do you really think they jump online and start looking for your kids team???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets start a new more productive thread ...so whats the best girls lax stick ....mid-field....attack...defense

Good idea!

Is the new Crux 500 worth the investment? I'm not sure nice stick for working in tight spaces but I don't know if it's a stick that anyone but attack can use. Pretty tough to get off a long pass with the stringing set up

Pocket borderline illegal right off the shelf. probably needs much adjustment during games

I wonder which girls on our roster will buy that stick - oh we don't have the roster!

Really, nobody cares that your roster isn't up but YOU!! Guess you'll see in the summer who has the stick!

The only reason these parents want the rosters up is so they can [lacrosse] about the girls that were moved to another team. They don't care about anyone new because it's not like they know the girls anyway. They just want to complain about a girl that got moved that's not better than their daughter but her daddy is friends with BS. Same garbage every year. It happens on every team. You shouldn't be surprised when it happens on your team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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It certainly helps the girls get name recognition and select team consideration when trying out. The girls become known quantities at YJs, name on uniforms is also essential for top players in recognition. My daughters played TGs for years, watch many games, never know who is who on field if watching any other team than my daughters. Individual YJ players become much better known and actually locally ( some nationally) famous. I can rattle off dozens of names of relevant YJ players and only a few TG. YJ is way ahead in developing and promoting its players, and in the end that is exactly what this is about.

Your Kidding right ?

I know, they must be kidding! The name on jerseys makes sense, but the rosters getting the girls name recognition??? That's funny!

In the case of YJ they absolutely background check directly from the rosters. In all these select group team tryouts ( not talking club) all the girls pre register, they cross check teams and age groups to see where kids are coming from. If you got 200 kids trying out, the couple TG black and YJ Blue that show up will be pre known. The evaluators have a rough draft roster heading into selections all based on roster hunting names. If nothing else it certainly gives kids the benefit of the doubt headed in and gets them looked at.

Finally! An intelligent answer to the question about posting rosters (not like that moron calling me a fool!). If this happens like you said, it makes sense. Thanks for the reply without any nonsense or name calling!

They ask the clubs for rosters, do you really think they jump online and start looking for your kids team??? [/quote]

Don't have to think, I know for a fact. Posting a roster may do nothing for a third or forth team player, but it certainly helps out the girls on top top team or two. May actually hurt girls on bottom teams as related to this aspect.

I'm going to post this on the 3 most active Girls threads in the hopes I can at least change the topic to something more interesting then this ongoing banter about the T.G to Y.J. defection.

Questions:
Do you think the Florida mandate on helmets in girls lacrosse will
a. spread to other states that are non hotbed areas, forcing a universal rule change
b. Stop non Florida teams from playing Florida teams
c. Burn it self out in a year or two and be dropped.

Do you think girls should be forced to use them

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

The only reason these parents want the rosters up is so they can [lacrosse] about the girls that were moved to another team. They don't care about anyone new because it's not like they know the girls anyway. They just want to complain about a girl that got moved that's not better than their daughter but her daddy is friends with BS. Same garbage every year. It happens on every team. You shouldn't be surprised when it happens on your team.

Exactly!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm going to post this on the 3 most active Girls threads in the hopes I can at least change the topic to something more interesting then this ongoing banter about the T.G to Y.J. defection.

Questions:
Do you think the Florida mandate on helmets in girls lacrosse will
a. spread to other states that are non hotbed areas, forcing a universal rule change
b. Stop non Florida teams from playing Florida teams
c. Burn it self out in a year or two and be dropped.

Do you think girls should be forced to use them

As the parent of a kid who has had two concussions in a year, I am paying attention to this. I don't have an answer though.

You need to get a job and off social services. Get a job and just STOP!!! Wow...you can't have any friends because your obsessive compulsive! People come on here for valuable information not to listen to you banter back and forth. FREEDOM OF SPEECHES must suck for you. Get a life!

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm going to post this on the 3 most active Girls threads in the hopes I can at least change the topic to something more interesting then this ongoing banter about the T.G to Y.J. defection.

Questions:
Do you think the Florida mandate on helmets in girls lacrosse will
a. spread to other states that are non hotbed areas, forcing a universal rule change
b. Stop non Florida teams from playing Florida teams
c. Burn it self out in a year or two and be dropped.

Do you think girls should be forced to use them

As the parent of a kid who has had two concussions in a year, I am paying attention to this. I don't have an answer though.

both from lacrosse and if so how

There is still so much that is unknown about this ruling. They still haven't decided on what is the appropriate helmet to wear. As a former football player, I don't think this will make a difference in the concussion discussion. Girls will feel more "protected" so they will play more aggressively on the field when that is not the case. If they require out of state teams to abide by their rules then teams will be deterred from traveling to Florida due to the extra cost of supplying a full team with helmets.

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

There is still so much that is unknown about this ruling. They still haven't decided on what is the appropriate helmet to wear. As a former football player, I don't think this will make a difference in the concussion discussion. Girls will feel more "protected" so they will play more aggressively on the field when that is not the case. If they require out of state teams to abide by their rules then teams will be deterred from traveling to Florida due to the extra cost of supplying a full team with helmets.

I agree that helmets will only make the girls game more aggressive. Helmets really can't be the answer, as we see concussions constantly in hockey.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets start a new more productive thread ...so whats the best girls lax stick ....mid-field....attack...defense

Good idea!

Is the new Crux 500 worth the investment? I'm not sure nice stick for working in tight spaces but I don't know if it's a stick that anyone but attack can use. Pretty tough to get off a long pass with the stringing set up

Very tough with the new pocket. Definitely for an older stronger player. There is definitely an adjusting period in getting used to this stick.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/high-...mets-in-girls-lacrosse-debated-1.2930910

Article from 3 years ago. One of the athletes referenced in this article is also a TG coach this year. She also plays in college now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm going to post this on the 3 most active Girls threads in the hopes I can at least change the topic to something more interesting then this ongoing banter about the T.G to Y.J. defection.

Questions:
Do you think the Florida mandate on helmets in girls lacrosse will
a. spread to other states that are non hotbed areas, forcing a universal rule change
b. Stop non Florida teams from playing Florida teams
c. Burn it self out in a year or two and be dropped.

Do you think girls should be forced to use them

As the parent of a kid who has had two concussions in a year, I am paying attention to this. I don't have an answer though.

both from lacrosse and if so how

Not both from lacrosse, and if I factor in all my kids they all got them the same way: falling backward and whiplashing their heads to the ground.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm going to post this on the 3 most active Girls threads in the hopes I can at least change the topic to something more interesting then this ongoing banter about the T.G to Y.J. defection.

Questions:
Do you think the Florida mandate on helmets in girls lacrosse will
a. spread to other states that are non hotbed areas, forcing a universal rule change
b. Stop non Florida teams from playing Florida teams
c. Burn it self out in a year or two and be dropped.

Do you think girls should be forced to use them

As the parent of a kid who has had two concussions in a year, I am paying attention to this. I don't have an answer though.

both from lacrosse and if so how

Not both from lacrosse, and if I factor in all my kids they all got them the same way: falling backward and whiplashing their heads to the ground.

Sorry to hear that ...but helmet would not help that situation

First time ever posting here, but a worth while topic finally and a highly misunderstood one at that. First having been highly involved in the fight against "helmets" in New [lacrosse] I will say that helmets do not prevent concussions. Even the people who wanted helmets in New [lacrosse] begrudgingly admitted that fact and it is fact. Next, the Florida High School Athletic Association in July mandated "helmets" for the spring of 2015. If that mandate had remained it would have prevented out of state schools from playing Florida schools since hard helmets are prohibited from being worn by field players per US Lacrosse rules. However in their late September meeting the FHSAA changed the ruling to "soft headgear" instead of "helmets" since soft headgear is allowed within the US Lacrosse girls rules. In their ruling the FHSAA also said they are aware that helmets, or soft headgear, do not prevent concussions. The FHSAA also passed the following to the soft headgear September ruling, "the Board also approved an amendment that will require these products to meet American Society for Testing and Materials performance standards, when available." Since there currently is no standard yet for girls lacrosse soft headgear it is very much up in the air as to whether or not girls will be required to wear soft headgear in the spring of 2015 in Florida. Even the FHSAA in their amendment specificcally said "when avialable". Per US Lacrosse rules players may already wear soft head gear if they elect to. The Florida girls lacrosse advisory committee, made up mostly of Florida HS coaches, vehemently opposed the FHSAA mandates for the record. One of their many good reasons for this opposition was that in the Florida heat wearing this equipment could, and probably would, cause heat stroke.

PLEASE
Helmets help prevent concussions, how can anyone say that is not true?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PLEASE
Helmets help prevent concussions, how can anyone say that is not true?

Actually at the last rules committee meeting the board asked the doctors if helmets would prevent concussions and the doctors said that no helmet will prevent concussions. So the rules committee voted against them. The most concussed player in girls lacrosse is the goalie and she wears a helmet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PLEASE
Helmets help prevent concussions, how can anyone say that is not true?

Actually at the last rules committee meeting the board asked the doctors if helmets would prevent concussions and the doctors said that no helmet will prevent concussions. So the rules committee voted against them. The most concussed player in girls lacrosse is the goalie and she wears a helmet.

Not exactly what was said . Helmets help prevent concussions in certain instances but there has been no conclusive study done in girls lacrosse. Would a helmet prevent certain instances of concussions , yes , but would that be off set by girls increasing the level of risk if wearing a helmet , no one knows . If you think that if goalies did not wear helmets they wouldn't get more concussions then that's just unrealistic

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PLEASE
Helmets help prevent concussions, how can anyone say that is not true?

Actually at the last rules committee meeting the board asked the doctors if helmets would prevent concussions and the doctors said that no helmet will prevent concussions. So the rules committee voted against them. The most concussed player in girls lacrosse is the goalie and she wears a helmet.

Not exactly what was said . Helmets help prevent concussions in certain instances but there has been no conclusive study done in girls lacrosse. Would a helmet prevent certain instances of concussions , yes , but would that be off set by girls increasing the level of risk if wearing a helmet , no one knows . If you think that if goalies did not wear helmets they wouldn't get more concussions then that's just unrealistic

Hi Joe

This is why I said in my long post above thst helmets and concussions are a very misunderstood topic. I have been involved in many concussion discussions with medical professionals in my long capacity in womens/girls lacrosse and none of those medical professionals, who are actually in related medical fields, say that helmets prevent concussions. One can easily research the topic by googling helmets and concussions. Girls lacrosse is fifth on the list of sports sustasining concussions behind such helmeted sports as footbll (by far the most consussed sport), ice hockey, and boys lacrosse. Girls Soccer is third on the list. Goaltenders are the most concussed players on a girls lacrosse field because the force of the balls impact when shot into the helmet causes the brain to basically rattle against the skull. It is why there is a rule in girls lacrosse, which should be called more often, that hitting a goalie in the head with a shot is a major foul.
Here is the breakdown of sport concussions:
The below numbers indicate the amount of sports concussions taking place per 100,000 athletic exposures. An athletic exposure is defined as one athlete participating in one organized high school athletic practice or competition, regardless of the amount of time played.

Football: 64 -76.8
Boys' ice hockey: 54
Girl's soccer: 33
Boys' lacrosse: 40 - 46.6
Girls' lacrosse: 31 - 35
Boys' wrestling: 22 - 23.9
Girls' field hockey: 22 - 24.9
Boys' soccer: 19 - 19.2
Girls' basketball: 18.6 - 21
Girls' softball: 16 - 16.3
Boys' basketball: 16 - 21.2
Cheerleading: 11.5 to 14
Girls' gymnastics: 7
Girls' volleyball: 6 - 8.6
Boys' baseball: Between 4.6 - 5

Again all of this information can be easily looked up. Statisticlly concussions have dropped in girls lacrosse the last two years due to an emphasis on preventing dangerous checking, slashing, and checks to the head. Basically trying to keep the stick away from the head. However concussions still occur and no player, parent, coach, or official wants to see a player get a concussion. There are many sports related concussion studies going on these days to prevent concussions. We all hope they can shed more light on the problem, but putting girls in helmets, or soft head gear, is not the answer since any hard impact either by a stick or a ball will still cause the brain to "rattle". This is why people get concussions when they are rear ended in car accidents. It is the "whiplash" of the brain bouncing off the skull that does it. It is no different in sports, including girls lacrosse, the whiplash of an impact causes the concussion. Helmets do not stop this whiplash affect and just do not prevent concussions. It is an unfortunate medical and scientific fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is why I said in my long post above thst helmets and concussions are a very misunderstood topic. I have been involved in many concussion discussions with medical professionals in my long capacity in womens/girls lacrosse and none of those medical professionals, who are actually in related medical fields, say that helmets prevent concussions. One can easily research the topic by googling helmets and concussions. Girls lacrosse is fifth on the list of sports sustasining concussions behind such helmeted sports as footbll (by far the most consussed sport), ice hockey, and boys lacrosse. Girls Soccer is third on the list. Goaltenders are the most concussed players on a girls lacrosse field because the force of the balls impact when shot into the helmet causes the brain to basically rattle against the skull. It is why there is a rule in girls lacrosse, which should be called more often, that hitting a goalie in the head with a shot is a major foul.
Here is the breakdown of sport concussions:
The below numbers indicate the amount of sports concussions taking place per 100,000 athletic exposures. An athletic exposure is defined as one athlete participating in one organized high school athletic practice or competition, regardless of the amount of time played.

Football: 64 -76.8
Boys' ice hockey: 54
Girl's soccer: 33
Boys' lacrosse: 40 - 46.6
Girls' lacrosse: 31 - 35
Boys' wrestling: 22 - 23.9
Girls' field hockey: 22 - 24.9
Boys' soccer: 19 - 19.2
Girls' basketball: 18.6 - 21
Girls' softball: 16 - 16.3
Boys' basketball: 16 - 21.2
Cheerleading: 11.5 to 14
Girls' gymnastics: 7
Girls' volleyball: 6 - 8.6
Boys' baseball: Between 4.6 - 5

Again all of this information can be easily looked up. Statisticlly concussions have dropped in girls lacrosse the last two years due to an emphasis on preventing dangerous checking, slashing, and checks to the head. Basically trying to keep the stick away from the head. However concussions still occur and no player, parent, coach, or official wants to see a player get a concussion. There are many sports related concussion studies going on these days to prevent concussions. We all hope they can shed more light on the problem, but putting girls in helmets, or soft head gear, is not the answer since any hard impact either by a stick or a ball will still cause the brain to "rattle". This is why people get concussions when they are rear ended in car accidents. It is the "whiplash" of the brain bouncing off the skull that does it. It is no different in sports, including girls lacrosse, the whiplash of an impact causes the concussion. Helmets do not stop this whiplash affect and just do not prevent concussions. It is an unfortunate medical and scientific fact.

Thanks for all the info. It is news to me that helmets don't help prevent concussions, but as you say it's the brain rattling and a helmet can't prevent that.

So I guess those concussion bands don't do much either? I had started looking into them a while back and they claimed to disperse the force and help prevent concussion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PLEASE
Helmets help prevent concussions, how can anyone say that is not true?

No headgear is failsafe and will prevent concussions. I feel that helmets or soft head gear may minimize the severity of a concussion (concussions are rated on severity). They may also protect from less severe injury. The question is, will the use change the way the game is played. If so it would negate any possible benefits.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PLEASE
Helmets help prevent concussions, how can anyone say that is not true?

No headgear is failsafe and will prevent concussions. I feel that helmets or soft head gear may minimize the severity of a concussion (concussions are rated on severity). They may also protect from less severe injury. The question is, will the use change the way the game is played. If so it would negate any possible benefits.

I did some light googliing and it does seem helmets don't greatly minimize the risk of concussion. This is due to what a concussion is, which is your brain rattling around in the skull. You can look at this link for some numbers from the American Academy of Neurology, https://www.aan.com/PressRoom/home/PressRelease/1241

I also found this link from NYS that has a video of how concussions happen and the difference between different types of hits. Your forehead can break concrete with little damage but a hit from the side, or a whiplash, is a totally different ball of wax. http://www.nysportsconcussion.com/concussion.php

Where are the 2017 rosters?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the 2017 rosters?

That has been beaten to death. They're not up. When they're finalized they'll be up. Let's stay away from that topic for at least a day!

Looks like some of the other age groups will have 25 girls per roster. The 2021 purple team has a girl or two who isn't listed on their roster. So that team will have 25-26 girls. How many age groups are like this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like some of the other age groups will have 25 girls per roster. The 2021 purple team has a girl or two who isn't listed on their roster. So that team will have 25-26 girls. How many age groups are like this?

Looks like only 2022 black has a roster that size. Don't know why purple only has 17. Maybe there will be a change at that age group as well.

All of them except for the black teams.

25-26 girls with one goalie is too many for any age. Elevate (21) and even YJ (24 w/2 goalies) don't pull that garbage. No wonder kids are leaving. Especially when the other teams have significantly less players. Every kid plays a third of a game? Bill needs to examine how he chooses teams and sets up the numbers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

25-26 girls with one goalie is too many for any age. Elevate (21) and even YJ (24 w/2 goalies) don't pull that garbage. No wonder kids are leaving. Especially when the other teams have significantly less players. Every kid plays a third of a game? Bill needs to examine how he chooses teams and sets up the numbers.

More than half last years yj rosters had 26 kids or more, wait until you see this years before you make that comparison

2019 black 22 kids perfect

Good luck!!

I know at least 3 girls from 2017 and 2018 already committed to tg that will be at Yg tryouts tmrw. He's making his own bed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

25-26 girls with one goalie is too many for any age. Elevate (21) and even YJ (24 w/2 goalies) don't pull that garbage. No wonder kids are leaving. Especially when the other teams have significantly less players. Every kid plays a third of a game? Bill needs to examine how he chooses teams and sets up the numbers.

More than half last years yj rosters had 26 kids or more, wait until you see this years before you make that comparison

FALSE

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know at least 3 girls from 2017 and 2018 already committed to tg that will be at Yg tryouts tmrw. He's making his own bed.

Ok well that's why you shouldn't get all worked up about roster numbers in October. When the dust settles the numbers will be different.

Let us know how many go to YJ when posted, then again that's probably when the 17 rosters will be back up.

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like some of the other age groups will have 25 girls per roster. The 2021 purple team has a girl or two who isn't listed on their roster. So that team will have 25-26 girls. How many age groups are like this?

Looks like only 2022 black has a roster that size. Don't know why purple only has 17. Maybe there will be a change at that age group as well.

Every team in every age group that has a team below it, will have a full 24 roster when the dust settles. The only teams that end up with less are the bottom teams, white for some ages and purple in others. This year the rosters seem very unstable, lots of shifting, movement etc... Many girls rumored to be holding roster spots they intend not to play. YJ is going to have their pick of players, when CR posts rosters the TG rosters will settle in. You may even see some former Blue girls who were getting moved down to make room for incoming players, pop up on TG rosters at the end of all this.

I'm not worked up about rosters. Could careless. Exactly what I thought at Yg teyouts. What I'm saying is that he's loosing ALOT of good players. There is just so much of BS you can take. Good luck to all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not worked up about rosters. Could careless. Exactly what I thought at Yg teyouts. What I'm saying is that he's loosing ALOT of good players. There is just so much of BS you can take. Good luck to all.

We love Bill!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not worked up about rosters. Could careless. Exactly what I thought at Yg teyouts. What I'm saying is that he's loosing ALOT of good players. There is just so much of BS you can take. Good luck to all.

first of all it's couldn't care less. He's losing not loosing and A Lot is not one word. Thanks

Loosing - a hybrid word describing the TG rostering system that is causing them to lose players. The word combines losing and loose. Losing describes the mass exodus, and loose is how they roster.

Really!!! You are a ignorant person and obviously have nothing better to do but criticize others. At the end of the day "YOU ARE STILL A LOSER OR LOOSER" AND A LOWLIFE. AND KARMA IS A ". AND I'm sure you will get your if your daughter isn't already from having her on TG. By the way I am not even the original poster. But, I couldn't help myself.

I saw " a lot" of tg at yellow jackets tryouts. I know, I know good for them 6th team, blah blah blah. All teams are going to stink this year. And, tg has such a terrible and white trash reputation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw " a lot" of tg at yellow jackets tryouts. I know, I know good for them 6th team, blah blah blah. All teams are going to stink this year. And, tg has such a terrible and white trash reputation.

Yeah and YJ doesn't

No sorry JG doesn't. Coaching on YG is by far better than TG. Maybe the only team that is getting coached is the one that Shannon Smith has an interest in. Only reason she has an interest in it is becuase her cousin is the goalie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No sorry JG doesn't. Coaching on YG is by far better than TG. Maybe the only team that is getting coached is the one that Shannon Smith has an interest in. Only reason she has an interest in it is becuase her cousin is the goalie.

Please proof read before posting.. YG...JG which club are you bashing??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No sorry JG doesn't. Coaching on YG is by far better than TG. Maybe the only team that is getting coached is the one that Shannon Smith has an interest in. Only reason she has an interest in it is becuase her cousin is the goalie.

The same politics that help the 2018 teamw9, hurt the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw " a lot" of tg at yellow jackets tryouts. I know, I know good for them 6th team, blah blah blah. All teams are going to stink this year. And, tg has such a terrible and white trash reputation.

If you saw a lot of TG girls then you had a kid there trying out. So why are you on this thread? Couldn't find anything better to do? Go back to the YJ thread and complain why your kid is on the 6th team when she should be on the blue team.

Wouldn't you love that? Sorry but that is not how it went down. I'm proud to say that's daughter is on the 2nd team of a much better organization. And, I can go on whatever thread I want. BULLY!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wouldn't you love that? Sorry but that is not how it went down. I'm proud to say that's daughter is on the 2nd team of a much better organization. And, I can go on whatever thread I want. BULLY!!!

Get a life loser!

Go back to your hole. That's all you got? Loser? Your the loser letting your daughter ay on the white "c" team. Worst team that exists. We slaughtered them last year. I'll Definately notice you walking off the field with your tail between your legs you animal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go back to your hole. That's all you got? Loser? Your the loser letting your daughter ay on the white "c" team. Worst team that exists. We slaughtered them last year. I'll Definately notice you walking off the field with your tail between your legs you animal.

Your kid is surely embarrassed by you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go back to your hole. That's all you got? Loser? Your the loser letting your daughter ay on the white "c" team. Worst team that exists. We slaughtered them last year. I'll Definately notice you walking off the field with your tail between your legs you animal.

Your kid is surely embarrassed by you.

Hey "Go back to your hole" guy, please go away, you are very nasty.

Ok coward. Cat's got your tongue? Again, that's all you got!!! Your Responses are so predictable. Now what? I'm a loser? No we've already established that you are indeed the loser for settling for a low life team. Case and point,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok coward. Cat's got your tongue? Again, that's all you got!!! Your Responses are so predictable. Now what? I'm a loser? No we've already established that you are indeed the loser for settling for a low life team. Case and point,

OMG Mad 2017 white dad you're back? Go off into your 6th team YJ land and try to find your happiness, You are a despicable little man. Rosters aren't even up for YJ yet, are you sure your daughter even made that 6th team?? Oh that's right! Everyone plays at YJ...Once you pay you play.

I see you're still mad you got the boot from TG, hopefully if you do make YJ,you don't get the boot next year either (and that's if she makes it) Talent couldn't cut it at TG as such a low life team that you call it, doubt she'll make the cut at YJ either.

Your pathetic and sick! I have no idea who your talking about. WOW you have issues. See somebody dude. Lol

Who are you? Whst are you talking about? My daughter has been on yellow jackets for 2 years and on "second team". I guess your wishing I was someone else. Sorry. But please seek medical attention.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok coward. Cat's got your tongue? Again, that's all you got!!! Your Responses are so predictable. Now what? I'm a loser? No we've already established that you are indeed the loser for settling for a low life team. Case and point,

OMG Mad 2017 white dad you're back? Go off into your 6th team YJ land and try to find your happiness, You are a despicable little man. Rosters aren't even up for YJ yet, are you sure your daughter even made that 6th team?? Oh that's right! Everyone plays at YJ...Once you pay you play.

I see you're still mad you got the boot from TG, hopefully if you do make YJ,you don't get the boot next year either (and that's if she makes it) Talent couldn't cut it at TG as such a low life team that you call it, doubt she'll make the cut at YJ either.

ouch!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are you? Whst are you talking about? My daughter has been on yellow jackets for 2 years and on "second team". I guess your wishing I was someone else. Sorry. But please seek medical attention.

You need to get a life, and get over it with the TG already!

I think that you tg are the bottom of the barrel. I don't have anything to get over. I can go on whatever thread I like. This all started because I stated I saw a lot of tg girls at tryouts. So please know what your stating before you spew your venom.

I just read a full page of name calling..please lets take a breath and talk about lacrosse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think that you tg are the bottom of the barrel. I don't have anything to get over. I can go on whatever thread I like. This all started because I stated I saw a lot of tg girls at tryouts. So please know what your stating before you spew your venom.

It has nothing to do with TG or YJ - we can see based on your activity, and your comments, you have no life!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are you? Whst are you talking about? My daughter has been on yellow jackets for 2 years and on "second team". I guess your wishing I was someone else. Sorry. But please seek medical attention.

Wow the second team

You need to get a life, and get over it with the TG already!

Please seek medical attention immediately. You can do this in between your fall tournaments. OOPS I forgot tg doesn't have any.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are you? Whst are you talking about? My daughter has been on yellow jackets for 2 years and on "second team". I guess your wishing I was someone else. Sorry. But please seek medical attention.

If you are going to come on this thread and spew your crap, at least have the decency to lie and say your daughter is on the first team. 2 years on second team means nothing. She still isn't good enough. Blue teams are very good. Gold teams, not so much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please seek medical attention immediately. You can do this in between your fall tournaments. OOPS I forgot tg doesn't have any.

My daughter is playing in 5 fall tournaments with TG this year...Obviously, you have no idea what you're talking about!

Yeah ok? Not including Hofstra. How about some showcases?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah ok? Not including Hofstra. How about some showcases?

Ok how about Navy and President's Cup, jack-[lacrosse]?

Ha Ha Ha shut you up huh? You're a tool that tried to have a one up only to be shut down. Don't you worry about TG, you're no longer here go and ask CR why your daughter isn't in any of the tournaments, not the local ones that YJ put together, real ones that count.

Your cool. Jack [lacrosse].? How original. How old are you 10? One word for you "PATHETIC". Later loser

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your cool. Jack [lacrosse].? How original. How old are you 10? One word for you "PATHETIC". Later loser

Yeah I'm the loser, and I'm pathetic. You came here with bogus put downs, and bad information. Later.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your cool. Jack [lacrosse].? How original. How old are you 10? One word for you "PATHETIC". Later loser

Hey mad dad, You must be off your meds today or maybe you're bi-polar (no offense to anyone) But this guy is quiet unstable. He gets on here starts a whole pile of crap and when made to look silly, he runs off like a little p----!

Not for nothing but your the one that sounds unstable and "bi-polar". Evaluate yourself buddy. Your not acting rational. You sound really rude.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your cool. Jack [lacrosse].? How original. How old are you 10? One word for you "PATHETIC". Later loser

Hey mad dad, You must be off your meds today or maybe you're bi-polar (no offense to anyone) But this guy is quiet unstable. He gets on here starts a whole pile of crap and when made to look silly, he runs off like a little p----!

Westhampton

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not for nothing but your the one that sounds unstable and "bi-polar". Evaluate yourself buddy. Your not acting rational. You sound really rude.

You're really a head case, We all wish you would just go away!

Sorry dirtbag.

Sadly its difficult to tell who is writing which things as you are all starting to stand like the crazy obsessed guy. That is except for the complete loser who keeps writing Westhampton. We get it you have a man crush on some dude from westhampton and are too afraid to tell him how you really feel. Maybe next time you see him in person ypu will have the courage to go up to him .

Westhampton!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Westhampton!!!

Actually no but hopefully you do not start having a man crush on me now, just like your wife.

OOH.... LOL

watching all of you roll around in the mud amuses me! Keep up the good work!

Westhampton

Hi..Im 13 years old...and my mom said if you have nothing nice to say then you should be quiet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Westhampton

Thanks for clarifying we were not sure of which town you are obsessed with which happens to be the same town your wife keeps visiting to find a real man.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Westhampton

Thanks for clarifying we were not sure of which town you are obsessed with which happens to be the same town your wife keeps visiting to find a real man.

This is a plea to the powers that be to please guide this thread back to lacrosse. It can add so much more value to your users. Thanks for your consideration.

This forum needs user names. Folks can still remain anonymous but at least we'll be able to follow the back and forth and have it make sense, well sort of make sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum needs user names. Folks can still remain anonymous but at least we'll be able to follow the back and forth and have it make sense, well sort of make sense.

Then why are you anonymous????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum needs user names. Folks can still remain anonymous but at least we'll be able to follow the back and forth and have it make sense, well sort of make sense.

Then why are you anonymous????

Do as I say, not as I do......jump on the hypocrisy bandwagon...almost full

M&D 16 TG 2020 6. My how the mighty have fallen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 16 TG 2020 6. My how the mighty have fallen.

See you again at national draw

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 16 TG 2020 6. My how the mighty have fallen.

See you again at national draw

No you won. M&D not in national draw this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 16 TG 2020 6. My how the mighty have fallen.

You were just dying to run to the forum huh? FYI Green machine as a combo of TG and YJ girls not only TG.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 16 TG 2020 6. My how the mighty have fallen.

The new rivalry will be YJ2020 vs MD2020. Green machine was the weaker half of TGs, all moot now anyway.

It doesn't matter if it was a mix of girls you lost. Oh well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It doesn't matter if it was a mix of girls you lost. Oh well.

No excuses lost to a great team. Not a bad record to have only two losses in two plus years to M&D Black. BTW it was not green machine it was TG 2020 black players only.

Guess missing SL?

Guess you miss SL is right! I understand you never lost with him the sideline?

no one is serious here. this is pure entertainment. total BS. Everybody trys to get the next guy. Its all jokes.

what did he ever do for 2015 TG. they never won a competitive tournament. ever . give the ball to 2 super stars and thats it,

You obviously know very little. The fact they competed with two superstars says it all.. I recall a lot of one goal losses and wins vs Sky walkers and this summer managed a 4-3 loss to the mighty YJ Mitchell with one super star vs their 7!
Just saying. Gareentee the YJ & TG kids that followed him are not sorry.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You obviously know very little. The fact they competed with two superstars says it all.. I recall a lot of one goal losses and wins vs Sky walkers and this summer managed a 4-3 loss to the mighty YJ Mitchell with one super star vs their 7!
Just saying. Gareentee the YJ & TG kids that followed him are not sorry.

Ok mrs Levy

he must have a lot of wives. you obviously have never played or have been trained by him. big difference than what everyone else is spending money on!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 16 TG 2020 6. My how the mighty have fallen.

Come back and pound your chest when you can beat M&D, TLC Red, Steps and your own B team (who beat Steps after curcio lost to them)- the fact that you lose to all these teams is why the TG kids and daddy are there, they will lead you to the promised land, all hail the conquering heroes!

Bunch of losers! Get on a real team.

Speak English not gibberish.

[quote=Anonymous]Guess missing SL?

SL will show you what a great coach he is this summer when he leads legacy to their first undefeated season.

[lacrosse] stirring need not apply. Legacy knows that will not happen. Please get a life. Good luck to you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 16 TG 2020 6. My how the mighty have fallen.

Come back and pound your chest when you can beat M&D, TLC Red, Steps and your own B team (who beat Steps after curcio lost to them)- the fact that you lose to all these teams is why the TG kids and daddy are there, they will lead you to the promised land, all hail the conquering heroes!

The reason the TG kids and Daddy are at YJ is because they realized your team is based on one kid and that will not be successful for long . Those players and parents also knew they no longer wanted to be associated with losers like you and they decided they did not want their kids going to Hofstra , the school that the most TG kids go to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 16 TG 2020 6. My how the mighty have fallen.

Come back and pound your chest when you can beat M&D, TLC Red, Steps and your own B team (who beat Steps after curcio lost to them)- the fact that you lose to all these teams is why the TG kids and daddy are there, they will lead you to the promised land, all hail the conquering heroes!

The reason the TG kids and Daddy are at YJ is because they realized your team is based on one kid and that will not be successful for long . Those players and parents also knew they no longer wanted to be associated with losers like you and they decided they did not want their kids going to Hofstra , the school that the most TG kids go to.

Oh the kid that left to go to YJ with them and then came back to TG?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 16 TG 2020 6. My how the mighty have fallen.

Come back and pound your chest when you can beat M&D, TLC Red, Steps and your own B team (who beat Steps after curcio lost to them)- the fact that you lose to all these teams is why the TG kids and daddy are there, they will lead you to the promised land, all hail the conquering heroes!

The reason the TG kids and Daddy are at YJ is because they realized your team is based on one kid and that will not be successful for long . Those players and parents also knew they no longer wanted to be associated with losers like you and they decided they did not want their kids going to Hofstra , the school that the most TG kids go to.

I need a flowchart to keep up with 2020 stuff, but I thought the kid everything was based on, aka the ball hog, aka the one through whom all plays run, went to YJ? Either the dad's daughter or the one they were trying to get away from?

And get over the "TG kids all go to Hofstra." Not true, look at the oommit list, they're all over the place.

2017 rosters? Please? Anyone?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 16 TG 2020 6. My how the mighty have fallen.

Come back and pound your chest when you can beat M&D, TLC Red, Steps and your own B team (who beat Steps after curcio lost to them)- the fact that you lose to all these teams is why the TG kids and daddy are there, they will lead you to the promised land, all hail the conquering heroes!

The reason the TG kids and Daddy are at YJ is because they realized your team is based on one kid and that will not be successful for long . Those players and parents also knew they no longer wanted to be associated with losers like you and they decided they did not want their kids going to Hofstra , the school that the most TG kids go to.

It would have been all good if it was their kid...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 16 TG 2020 6. My how the mighty have fallen.

Come back and pound your chest when you can beat M&D, TLC Red, Steps and your own B team (who beat Steps after curcio lost to them)- the fact that you lose to all these teams is why the TG kids and daddy are there, they will lead you to the promised land, all hail the conquering heroes!

The reason the TG kids and Daddy are at YJ is because they realized your team is based on one kid and that will not be successful for long . Those players and parents also knew they no longer wanted to be associated with losers like you and they decided they did not want their kids going to Hofstra , the school that the most TG kids go to.

You left TG. Be happy with the decision you made. It is easy to figure out who you are. One of three options.....1- The daddy coach. 2- the parent of the girl that played up on 2019. 3- the guy that would stand in the woods in his daughters face making her cry after every game. you will not be missed Ba Bye.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 rosters? Please? Anyone?

Why ? If your Daughter is on 2017 TG,then you know who is on her team. They practiced yesterday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 16 TG 2020 6. My how the mighty have fallen.

Come back and pound your chest when you can beat M&D, TLC Red, Steps and your own B team (who beat Steps after curcio lost to them)- the fact that you lose to all these teams is why the TG kids and daddy are there, they will lead you to the promised land, all hail the conquering heroes!

The reason the TG kids and Daddy are at YJ is because they realized your team is based on one kid and that will not be successful for long . Those players and parents also knew they no longer wanted to be associated with losers like you and they decided they did not want their kids going to Hofstra , the school that the most TG kids go to.

Oh the kid that left to go to YJ with them and then came back to TG?

IF true, not sure why she would even be allowed to return to TG, once she left, that should have been it. Stay over there in YJ land and be the ball hog over there, guess there was a lot of unhappy YJ parents that threatened to walk with or without their deposits, Don't blame them, I would have walked too.

I thought TG is waiting to post 2017 until YJ figures out their rosters?

you are all clueless....ALL teams have one kid that stands out...IT WAS NEVER an issue with SL on sidelines....tell me when it was? NEVER...private run daddy tournaments maybe...not when it counted...

There was already a 2017 summer team practice without a roster posted?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There was already a 2017 summer team practice without a roster posted?

Yup

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 16 TG 2020 6. My how the mighty have fallen.

Come back and pound your chest when you can beat M&D, TLC Red, Steps and your own B team (who beat Steps after curcio lost to them)- the fact that you lose to all these teams is why the TG kids and daddy are there, they will lead you to the promised land, all hail the conquering heroes!

The reason the TG kids and Daddy are at YJ is because they realized your team is based on one kid and that will not be successful for long . Those players and parents also knew they no longer wanted to be associated with losers like you and they decided they did not want their kids going to Hofstra , the school that the most TG kids go to.

Oh the kid that left to go to YJ with them and then came back to TG?

IF true, not sure why she would even be allowed to return to TG, once she left, that should have been it. Stay over there in YJ land and be the ball hog over there, guess there was a lot of unhappy YJ parents that threatened to walk with or without their deposits, Don't blame them, I would have walked too.

No yjs threatened to leave BS just made a deal with the dad to get him to stay . He was doing whatever he had to not to lose another player

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There was already a 2017 summer team practice without a roster posted?

Yup

no. it was a fall tournament practice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 16 TG 2020 6. My how the mighty have fallen.

Come back and pound your chest when you can beat M&D, TLC Red, Steps and your own B team (who beat Steps after curcio lost to them)- the fact that you lose to all these teams is why the TG kids and daddy are there, they will lead you to the promised land, all hail the conquering heroes!

The reason the TG kids and Daddy are at YJ is because they realized your team is based on one kid and that will not be successful for long . Those players and parents also knew they no longer wanted to be associated with losers like you and they decided they did not want their kids going to Hofstra , the school that the most TG kids go to.

Oh the kid that left to go to YJ with them and then came back to TG?

IF true, not sure why she would even be allowed to return to TG, once she left, that should have been it. Stay over there in YJ land and be the ball hog over there, guess there was a lot of unhappy YJ parents that threatened to walk with or without their deposits, Don't blame them, I would have walked too.

No yjs threatened to leave BS just made a deal with the dad to get him to stay . He was doing whatever he had to not to lose another player

Oh please! somebody is always making deals according to you people who think you know it all, you people believe everything. What can BS offer that kid and her father that she couldn't get at YJ? You sound silly. Stop throwing around garbage that you have no idea about other than to have every other kid on TG black think that if they threaten to leave BS he's gonna give them a deal to stay. Maybe, just maybe things are not as peachy in YJ land.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 16 TG 2020 6. My how the mighty have fallen.

Come back and pound your chest when you can beat M&D, TLC Red, Steps and your own B team (who beat Steps after curcio lost to them)- the fact that you lose to all these teams is why the TG kids and daddy are there, they will lead you to the promised land, all hail the conquering heroes!

The reason the TG kids and Daddy are at YJ is because they realized your team is based on one kid and that will not be successful for long . Those players and parents also knew they no longer wanted to be associated with losers like you and they decided they did not want their kids going to Hofstra , the school that the most TG kids go to.

Oh the kid that left to go to YJ with them and then came back to TG?

IF true, not sure why she would even be allowed to return to TG, once she left, that should have been it. Stay over there in YJ land and be the ball hog over there, guess there was a lot of unhappy YJ parents that threatened to walk with or without their deposits, Don't blame them, I would have walked too.

No yjs threatened to leave BS just made a deal with the dad to get him to stay . He was doing whatever he had to not to lose another player

no deal was made. no trips to anyone's house. The kid wanted to play with her friends. that's all end of discussion move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There was already a 2017 summer team practice without a roster posted?

Yup

no. it was a fall tournament practice.

winter practices stat soon if you are on a team you already received an email with the times and dates.

maybe there's a new daddy coach or his kid plays for free. She's the best kid in that age group, BS would be silly not to jump through hoops to get her to stay

I heard he got a new car and free hotels

Originally Posted by Anonymous

maybe there's a new daddy coach or his kid plays for free. She's the best kid in that age group, BS would be silly not to jump through hoops to get her to stay

Nice try . She is the best player in the age group. I'm friends with BS and he couldn't jump through a hoop if he wanted to! So no hops were jumped through! The kid wanted to play with her friends .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard he got a new car and free hotels

No he got his &@lls broken a little this weekend that's all! The only one getting free hotels is coach sausage,and free tuition for his two daughters! Have fun playing on the YJ B team knowing that you all are paying for his hotels and kids to play!

Ouch!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard he got a new car and free hotels

No he got his &@lls broken a little this weekend that's all! The only one getting free hotels is coach sausage,and free tuition for his two daughters! Have fun playing on the YJ B team knowing that you all are paying for his hotels and kids to play!

How ya like them sausages I mean apples.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 16 TG 2020 6. My how the mighty have fallen.

Come back and pound your chest when you can beat M&D, TLC Red, Steps and your own B team (who beat Steps after curcio lost to them)- the fact that you lose to all these teams is why the TG kids and daddy are there, they will lead you to the promised land, all hail the conquering heroes!

The reason the TG kids and Daddy are at YJ is because they realized your team is based on one kid and that will not be successful for long . Those players and parents also knew they no longer wanted to be associated with losers like you and they decided they did not want their kids going to Hofstra , the school that the most TG kids go to.

Oh the kid that left to go to YJ with them and then came back to TG?

IF true, not sure why she would even be allowed to return to TG, once she left, that should have been it. Stay over there in YJ land and be the ball hog over there, guess there was a lot of unhappy YJ parents that threatened to walk with or without their deposits, Don't blame them, I would have walked too.

Was she on the field playing for TGs for the M&D beat down?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 16 TG 2020 6. My how the mighty have fallen.

Come back and pound your chest when you can beat M&D, TLC Red, Steps and your own B team (who beat Steps after curcio lost to them)- the fact that you lose to all these teams is why the TG kids and daddy are there, they will lead you to the promised land, all hail the conquering heroes!

The reason the TG kids and Daddy are at YJ is because they realized your team is based on one kid and that will not be successful for long . Those players and parents also knew they no longer wanted to be associated with losers like you and they decided they did not want their kids going to Hofstra , the school that the most TG kids go to.

It would have been all good if it was their kid...

M&D 16 TG 6 and Patriots 43 Broncos 21
Great teams sometimes have bad games.....Tool Or are you calling the season for Broncos also....jealous Much

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 16 TG 2020 6. My how the mighty have fallen.

Come back and pound your chest when you can beat M&D, TLC Red, Steps and your own B team (who beat Steps after curcio lost to them)- the fact that you lose to all these teams is why the TG kids and daddy are there, they will lead you to the promised land, all hail the conquering heroes!

The reason the TG kids and Daddy are at YJ is because they realized your team is based on one kid and that will not be successful for long . Those players and parents also knew they no longer wanted to be associated with losers like you and they decided they did not want their kids going to Hofstra , the school that the most TG kids go to.

Oh the kid that left to go to YJ with them and then came back to TG?

IF true, not sure why she would even be allowed to return to TG, once she left, that should have been it. Stay over there in YJ land and be the ball hog over there, guess there was a lot of unhappy YJ parents that threatened to walk with or without their deposits, Don't blame them, I would have walked too.

Right, CR is being told who can and cannot play for yj by team parents! They have too much money invested in camps, clinics and all the $75/hour lessons with curcio to go anywhere

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 16 TG 2020 6. My how the mighty have fallen.

Come back and pound your chest when you can beat M&D, TLC Red, Steps and your own B team (who beat Steps after curcio lost to them)- the fact that you lose to all these teams is why the TG kids and daddy are there, they will lead you to the promised land, all hail the conquering heroes!

The reason the TG kids and Daddy are at YJ is because they realized your team is based on one kid and that will not be successful for long . Those players and parents also knew they no longer wanted to be associated with losers like you and they decided they did not want their kids going to Hofstra , the school that the most TG kids go to.

I need a flowchart to keep up with 2020 stuff, but I thought the kid everything was based on, aka the ball hog, aka the one through whom all plays run, went to YJ? Either the dad's daughter or the one they were trying to get away from?

And get over the "TG kids all go to Hofstra." Not true, look at the oommit list, they're all over the place.

See this is why people call others a moron , if you are going to put quotes around something at least come close to the original meaning. The most popular choice of school for TG players is Hofstra hands down. Is what it is even if you change the quote around . When you say and I quote " no one actually wants to go to Hofstra " that's when I agree w you.

"Was she on the field playing for TGs for the M&D beat down?"

Yes she was. Say what you want but BS promised the kid the world to stay at TG , free tuition , privates w Shanon , anything they wanted . Have fun 2020 TG parents kid gets to play as much as she wants in any game she wants and she gets to shoot as often as she wants .Have fun.

You are a.k.a an idiot... Also known as a.k.a a moron!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Was she on the field playing for TGs for the M&D beat down?"

Yes she was. Say what you want but BS promised the kid the world to stay at TG , free tuition , privates w Shanon , anything they wanted . Have fun 2020 TG parents kid gets to play as much as she wants in any game she wants and she gets to shoot as often as she wants .Have fun.

And how do you know this? were you apart of this conversation?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Was she on the field playing for TGs for the M&D beat down?"

Yes she was. Say what you want but BS promised the kid the world to stay at TG , free tuition , privates w Shanon , anything they wanted . Have fun 2020 TG parents kid gets to play as much as she wants in any game she wants and she gets to shoot as often as she wants .Have fun.

The only one promised anything is your new daddy coach. Enjoy watching both of his daughters play on the blue team while your daughter either sits on the bench or gets moved to the B team. Also enjoy knowing that your tuition that you pay is directly going to pay for his daughters free roster spots and his hotel rooms. I wonder if room service is included ?

Is this daddy 1,2 or 3?

As far as the " all T.G. players go to Hofstra" all I can say is this, If you look at the Stony Brook roster all but 3 girls, i believe, are Y.J. , and after this year the whole roster becomes Y.J. As a side note, they can't advance out of the second round with all that blue and gold firepower. Spallina should be embarrassed to be a shill for C.R. But just like his new found Idol, he can't win a championship either Maybe instead of S.B.U. they should change it to Y.J.U.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 16 TG 2020 6. My how the mighty have fallen.

Come back and pound your chest when you can beat M&D, TLC Red, Steps and your own B team (who beat Steps after curcio lost to them)- the fact that you lose to all these teams is why the TG kids and daddy are there, they will lead you to the promised land, all hail the conquering heroes!

The reason the TG kids and Daddy are at YJ is because they realized your team is based on one kid and that will not be successful for long . Those players and parents also knew they no longer wanted to be associated with losers like you and they decided they did not want their kids going to Hofstra , the school that the most TG kids go to.

Oh the kid that left to go to YJ with them and then came back to TG?

IF true, not sure why she would even be allowed to return to TG, once she left, that should have been it. Stay over there in YJ land and be the ball hog over there, guess there was a lot of unhappy YJ parents that threatened to walk with or without their deposits, Don't blame them, I would have walked too.

If all the kid did was try out for YJ how does that mean she left. YJ rosters are not even posted

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this daddy 1,2 or 3?

Coach sausage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Was she on the field playing for TGs for the M&D beat down?"

Yes she was. Say what you want but BS promised the kid the world to stay at TG , free tuition , privates w Shanon , anything they wanted . Have fun 2020 TG parents kid gets to play as much as she wants in any game she wants and she gets to shoot as often as she wants .Have fun.

The only one promised anything is your new daddy coach. Enjoy watching both of his daughters play on the blue team while your daughter either sits on the bench or gets moved to the B team. Also enjoy knowing that your tuition that you pay is directly going to pay for his daughters free roster spots and his hotel rooms. I wonder if room service is included ?

Probably will just like the other YJ parent coaches , but now your TG team is snot charging the better players on your dime . Instead of paying certain coaches their kids play for free and hotel room gets paid on TG just threaten to leave and same deal if your kid is judged worthy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Was she on the field playing for TGs for the M&D beat down?"

Yes she was. Say what you want but BS promised the kid the world to stay at TG , free tuition , privates w Shanon , anything they wanted . Have fun 2020 TG parents kid gets to play as much as she wants in any game she wants and she gets to shoot as often as she wants .Have fun.

The only one promised anything is your new daddy coach. Enjoy watching both of his daughters play on the blue team while your daughter either sits on the bench or gets moved to the B team. Also enjoy knowing that your tuition that you pay is directly going to pay for his daughters free roster spots and his hotel rooms. I wonder if room service is included ?

Probably will just like the other YJ parent coaches , but now your TG team is snot charging the better players on your dime . Instead of paying certain coaches their kids play for free and hotel room gets paid on TG just threaten to leave and same deal if your kid is judged worthy

You really have no clue. The player you speak of is paying full price and is fortunate enough to be in the position where they could afford to pay for your kid too. Nice try keep making stuff up it really is funny how paranoid you have become . You left TG and no one even bothered to call you . Continue to start rumors . So go back and .....either cut a deal for your daughter to be on blue so you can coach her, go into the bushes and get in your kids face, or have your kid play on 19 or 20 blue nobody really cares. Ba bye you won't be missed.

She was already getting free lessons from BS. Had to up the stakes and get free lessons from SS and anyone else on the Hofstra roster. That is a FACT!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

She was already getting free lessons from BS. Had to up the stakes and get free lessons from SS and anyone else on the Hofstra roster. That is a FACT!!!

Yea that's it you have it all figured out .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

She was already getting free lessons from BS. Had to up the stakes and get free lessons from SS and anyone else on the Hofstra roster. That is a FACT!!!

Get a life. Go gossip about your neighbor or coworker. Not young girls. Pathetic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

She was already getting free lessons from BS. Had to up the stakes and get free lessons from SS and anyone else on the Hofstra roster. That is a FACT!!!

Get a life. Go gossip about your neighbor or coworker. Not young girls. Pathetic.

They can't help themselves . When they were on 20/19 Black all they did was complain about how this young girl played. They left TG to get away from playing with this girl. Now that they got what they wanted they continue to come on here and bash this kid. Be happy with YJ enjoy your free hotel rooms, keep lecturing your daughters in the bushes after every game or go tell everyone on the YJ sidelines how your kid is the only Alfa dog on the blue team. You will not be missed. Ba bye

Originally Posted by Anonymous

She was already getting free lessons from BS. Had to up the stakes and get free lessons from SS and anyone else on the Hofstra roster. That is a FACT!!!

Get a life. Go gossip about your neighbor or coworker. Not young girls. Pathetic.

They can't help themselves . When they were on 20/19 Black all they did was complain about how this young girl played. They left TG to get away from playing with this girl. Now that they got what they wanted they continue to come on here and bash this kid. Be happy with YJ enjoy your free hotel rooms, keep lecturing your daughters in the bushes after every game or go tell everyone on the YJ sidelines how your kid is the only Alfa dog on the blue team. You will not be missed. Ba bye

Curious to know how you know that it's the daddy coach that's writing this? could be anybody.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

She was already getting free lessons from BS. Had to up the stakes and get free lessons from SS and anyone else on the Hofstra roster. That is a FACT!!!

Get a life. Go gossip about your neighbor or coworker. Not young girls. Pathetic.

They can't help themselves . When they were on 20/19 Black all they did was complain about how this young girl played. They left TG to get away from playing with this girl. Now that they got what they wanted they continue to come on here and bash this kid. Be happy with YJ enjoy your free hotel rooms, keep lecturing your daughters in the bushes after every game or go tell everyone on the YJ sidelines how your kid is the only Alfa dog on the blue team. You will not be missed. Ba bye

Curious to know how you know that it's the daddy coach that's writing this? could be anybody.

It's one of the 3 that left

Here is newes to no one... information we all can see through... The person writing all the garbage on here makes up just about anything they want with absolutely no truth to any of it and then decides who they want to bash for the day. They are the typical jealous, unhappy father that has to find fault in everyone and everything in order to make himself feel important. To the person pointing the finger all the time, you are the one who looks like the jerk. What you write is so ridiculous and un-credible that you make the people you talk about look good and draw attention to what a mess you are! Shut up already! The more you type the more you expose that 1 idiot father obsesses and stalks all these blogs.. you are a run away freight train that needs to derail. But, in fairness to this idiot... isn't that what annonomous blogs do.. they are feeding frenzies for people like this one... shame on us for this idiot so entertaining. I guess when people are crazy it makes for good entertainment.

Let the losers comment. They left so don't give attention to their crying. Everyone knows their type. Bad attitude and lots of anger. When college recruiters come calling they will be advised to stay away. Recruiters talk to lots of people during their due diligence and don't want parents like that. They are only hurting their kid.

Don't ingnore the comments keep the feeding frenzy going. I use this blog to get a laugh at least once a day. In fact, when it calms down I like to drop a one liner to get things going again and I have no affiliation with any club. I'm the puppeteer. Dance silly puppets!!!

Not bashing, just stating a fact... Can't blame them for staying look at what they are getting for their kid. We all would do the same. Even the Westhampton guru...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 16 TG 2020 6. My how the mighty have fallen.

Come back and pound your chest when you can beat M&D, TLC Red, Steps and your own B team (who beat Steps after curcio lost to them)- the fact that you lose to all these teams is why the TG kids and daddy are there, they will lead you to the promised land, all hail the conquering heroes!

The reason the TG kids and Daddy are at YJ is because they realized your team is based on one kid and that will not be successful for long . Those players and parents also knew they no longer wanted to be associated with losers like you and they decided they did not want their kids going to Hofstra , the school that the most TG kids go to.

Oh the kid that left to go to YJ with them and then came back to TG?

IF true, not sure why she would even be allowed to return to TG, once she left, that should have been it. Stay over there in YJ land and be the ball hog over there, guess there was a lot of unhappy YJ parents that threatened to walk with or without their deposits, Don't blame them, I would have walked too.

If all the kid did was try out for YJ how does that mean she left. YJ rosters are not even posted

oh she was gone. Everyone knows it. In fact, at this exact moment she's still not listed on the 2020 Black Roster. Maybe she'll head to a tournament with Legacy to see what SL can offer next.

Where are the 17 rosters?? Why are they the only teams not posted? Just an explanation please, no need to get nasty. Thank you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the 17 rosters?? Why are they the only teams not posted? Just an explanation please, no need to get nasty. Thank you

You ask this question everyday.. Why are you so desperate to see those rosters? everyone that's on the teams know who they are. You asking everyday is not going to make them post them any quicker. Whenever they're final, they will be up with all the others. Now please go on and find something to occupy your time to not keep going crazy over a roster.

You ask this question everyday.. Why are you so desperate to see those rosters? everyone that's on the teams know who they are. You asking everyday is not going to make them post them any quicker. Whenever they're final, they will be up with all the others. Now please go on and find something to occupy your time to not keep going crazy over a roster.[/quote]
Maybe the rosters impact his/her child ...any parent would want to know where their child stands so thatvthey can weigh their options. No need to be so mean.

I believe all the 17's had practice this past Sunday for the upcoming Rivalry tournament at the Naval Academy. I would assume they know what team they are on at this point. It is not on the website though...so why the urgency to see the rosters on the website?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the 17 rosters?? Why are they the only teams not posted? Just an explanation please, no need to get nasty. Thank you

Why are you asking for an explanation here? It sounds like you think you're emailing Top Guns the way you're asking. Did you call BS and ask him?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the 17 rosters?? Why are they the only teams not posted? Just an explanation please, no need to get nasty. Thank you

Why are you asking for an explanation here? It sounds like you think you're emailing Top Guns the way you're asking. Did you call BS and ask him?

They most likely got cut and want to see who took their place. If they were on a team that would have been at practice and know who was rostered

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]M&D 16 TG 2020 6. My how the mighty have fallen.

Come back and pound your chest when you can beat M&D, TLC Red, Steps and your own B team (who beat Steps after curcio lost to them)- the fact that you lose to all these teams is why the TG kids and daddy are there, they will lead you to the promised land, all hail the conquering heroes!

The reason the TG kids and Daddy are at YJ is because they realized your team is based on one kid and that will not be successful for long . Those players and parents also knew they no longer wanted to be associated with losers like you and they decided they did not want their kids going to Hofstra , the school that the most TG kids go to.

Oh the kid that left to go to YJ with them and then came back to TG?

IF true, not sure why she would even be allowed to return to TG, once she left, that should have been it. Stay over there in YJ land and be the ball hog over there, guess there was a lot of unhappy YJ parents that threatened to walk with or without their deposits, Don't blame them, I would have walked too.

If all the kid did was try out for YJ how does that mean she left. YJ rosters are not even posted [/quote

If you say "goodbye" to your teammates and your parents text or email the director of your club saying you're going else where, it usually means you're leaving. Guess the grass isn't always greener.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I believe all the 17's had practice this past Sunday for the upcoming Rivalry tournament at the Naval Academy. I would assume they know what team they are on at this point. It is not on the website though...so why the urgency to see the rosters on the website?

Try-outs were for next summer's teams correct?

if you look at the T3 touney she is playing with 2020 Green Machine which is TG. she is staying with that team.

oh no the grass is definately greener.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I believe all the 17's had practice this past Sunday for the upcoming Rivalry tournament at the Naval Academy. I would assume they know what team they are on at this point. It is not on the website though...so why the urgency to see the rosters on the website?

Try-outs were for next summer's teams correct?

2015 Team is the team that goes to fall tournament. Whoever made the teams were notified and will be playing at these tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I believe all the 17's had practice this past Sunday for the upcoming Rivalry tournament at the Naval Academy. I would assume they know what team they are on at this point. It is not on the website though...so why the urgency to see the rosters on the website?

Try-outs were for next summer's teams correct?

2015 Team is the team that goes to fall tournament. Whoever made the teams were notified and will be playing at these tournaments.

2015? Lol. Your an idiot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I believe all the 17's had practice this past Sunday for the upcoming Rivalry tournament at the Naval Academy. I would assume they know what team they are on at this point. It is not on the website though...so why the urgency to see the rosters on the website?

Try-outs were for next summer's teams correct?

Yes they were for next summers tournament teams. However the 2016 & 2017 teams play in two Fall showcase tournaments for an additional fee. They are optional tournaments for the age groups that are being recruited. If your daughter tried out and made one of the 2017 teams you would know all about this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

oh no the grass is definately greener.

And you DEFINITELY don't know how to spell.

Grow up and get a big GIRLS job. Spelling police? Really???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You ask this question everyday.. Why are you so desperate to see those rosters? everyone that's on the teams know who they are. You asking everyday is not going to make them post them any quicker. Whenever they're final, they will be up with all the others. Now please go on and find something to occupy your time to not keep going crazy over a roster.

Maybe the rosters impact his/her child ...any parent would want to know where their child stands so thatvthey can weigh their options. No need to be so mean. [/quote]

Thank you. Some people obviously have miserable lives and are mea n by nature. No reason for nasy comments when a simple question was asked. And practice was not indicitive of how many or who was on team as many girls were playing soccer. So to the nasty know it all-how many were at practuce?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You ask this question everyday.. Why are you so desperate to see those rosters? everyone that's on the teams know who they are. You asking everyday is not going to make them post them any quicker. Whenever they're final, they will be up with all the others. Now please go on and find something to occupy your time to not keep going crazy over a roster.

Maybe the rosters impact his/her child ...any parent would want to know where their child stands so thatvthey can weigh their options. No need to be so mean.

Thank you. Some people obviously have miserable lives and are mea n by nature. No reason for nasy comments when a simple question was asked. And practice was not indicitive of how many or who was on team as many girls were playing soccer. So to the nasty know it all-how many were at practuce? [/quote]

My kids have been on TG for many years and whenever I have had a question about anything to do with TG I have called Bill. Not once has he not returned my call. The last place you want to go for correct information is on this board. Call bill he will be happy to answer all of your questions about the 2017 rosters. It may not be what you want to hear but it is what it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You ask this question everyday.. Why are you so desperate to see those rosters? everyone that's on the teams know who they are. You asking everyday is not going to make them post them any quicker. Whenever they're final, they will be up with all the others. Now please go on and find something to occupy your time to not keep going crazy over a roster.

Maybe the rosters impact his/her child ...any parent would want to know where their child stands so thatvthey can weigh their options. No need to be so mean.

Thank you. Some people obviously have miserable lives and are mea n by nature. No reason for nasy comments when a simple question was asked. And practice was not indicitive of how many or who was on team as many girls were playing soccer. So to the nasty know it all-how many were at practuce?

My kids have been on TG for many years and whenever I have had a question about anything to do with TG I have called Bill. Not once has he not returned my call. The last place you want to go for correct information is on this board. Call bill he will be happy to answer all of your questions about the 2017 rosters. It may not be what you want to hear but it is what it is. [/quote]

Couldn't have said it better myself, instead of asking the same question everyday call Bill..unless you aren't TG and just looking to start trouble.

I think it's curious minds outside of TG wanting to see the rosters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You ask this question everyday.. Why are you so desperate to see those rosters? everyone that's on the teams know who they are. You asking everyday is not going to make them post them any quicker. Whenever they're final, they will be up with all the others. Now please go on and find something to occupy your time to not keep going crazy over a roster.

Maybe the rosters impact his/her child ...any parent would want to know where their child stands so thatvthey can weigh their options. No need to be so mean.

Thank you. Some people obviously have miserable lives and are mea n by nature. No reason for nasy comments when a simple question was asked. And practice was not indicitive of how many or who was on team as many girls were playing soccer. So to the nasty know it all-how many were at practuce?

My kids have been on TG for many years and whenever I have had a question about anything to do with TG I have called Bill. Not once has he not returned my call. The last place you want to go for correct information is on this board. Call bill he will be happy to answer all of your questions about the 2017 rosters. It may not be what you want to hear but it is what it is.

Couldn't have said it better myself, instead of asking the same question everyday call Bill..unless you aren't TG and just looking to start trouble. [/quote]

same here. he always picks up or calls right back. this is either an outsider or some cancerous insider who's afraid to call bill

When are the rosters going up?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When are the rosters going up?

Rosters are up. Use password upurs69

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When are the rosters going up?

Rosters are up. Use password upurs69

Ouch! Ha Ha good one!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]When are the rosters going up?

Rosters are up. Use password upurs69. You are really a jack [lacrosse]. I would say worse if I could. You are telling this person to contact Bill when you know damm straight that he doesn't like to be approached. If you approach him he holds it against you. I hope your daughter gets it ten fold.

Ouch! Ha Ha good one!

I agree. Do not call Bill over rosters. Big mistake. He does not like to be questioned about anything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. Do not call Bill over rosters. Big mistake. He does not like to be questioned about anything.

Pleeeease call him and stop asking for rosters on here. Do you really think you'll get an answer here?????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. Do not call Bill over rosters. Big mistake. He does not like to be questioned about anything.

Pleeeease call him and stop asking for rosters on here. Do you really think you'll get an answer here?????

No you will not get an answer either way. He has a very pompous attitude. DO NOT CALL!!! Wait it out.

What's the big deal that rosters aren't up? Whose rosters are up now? No ones that I know of.

TG has e ery year posted but 2017, that's the point

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG has e ery year posted but 2017, that's the point

Who cares?

I heard 2017 mad dad's daughter on Yj blue team. I don't think he'll be bothering us anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard 2017 mad dad's daughter on Yj blue team. I don't think he'll be bothering us anymore.

Lol in your dreams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard 2017 mad dad's daughter on Yj blue team. I don't think he'll be bothering us anymore.

I heard she's on the USA U-19 team as well

Sorry to break the news to you. But yes it's true. Hard for you to believe I assume, by your reaction. He is off to MD this weekend unlike tg teams. Sounds like your a bit jealous. I know you'll miss him. It's okay, someone wi take his place.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard 2017 mad dad's daughter on Yj blue team. I don't think he'll be bothering us anymore.

I heard she's on the USA U-19 team as well

Now your being sarcastic. Just be happy he's gone. Boy you are miserable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to break the news to you. But yes it's true. Hard for you to believe I assume, by your reaction. He is off to MD this weekend unlike tg teams. Sounds like your a bit jealous. I know you'll miss him. It's okay, someone wi take his place.

Once again in your dreams mad dad, now stop looking for attention and get off the forums

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to break the news to you. But yes it's true. Hard for you to believe I assume, by your reaction. He is off to MD this weekend unlike tg teams. Sounds like your a bit jealous. I know you'll miss him. It's okay, someone wi take his place.

Lol, dude she got cut from TG and now you come on here making things up. No way she's even on YJ much less "blue" Whatever you're drinking or smoking tonight must be really strong to even type that, you sound like a fool and you're right no one believes you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to break the news to you. But yes it's true. Hard for you to believe I assume, by your reaction. He is off to MD this weekend unlike tg teams. Sounds like your a bit jealous. I know you'll miss him. It's okay, someone wi take his place.

This just shows how much of a psycho you really are.. Who does things like this? much less makes up their own stories. OMG I can't stop laughing. You are really such a loser!

And I'm laughing at you and your daughter. My daughter blows yours away and your infuriated. My daughter never got cut and el not explain myself any further to you at your lowlife teammates. But, we'll see you on the field I'm sure at one of the tourneys Your lowlife organizer will be letting you play in. Just watch my daughter be the one knocking yours to the ground where she belongs. The proof be at the games. HAng tight and wait for your daughter to get crushed. Hahaha.. Love that I mske you cringe and you lowlife a are stuck with the number one lowlife in lacrosse. You Nd your daughter close seconds. Lmao.. Maybe I will stick around. Just because I CAN!!!!! Love it

Your daughter to really take advantage of those speed and agility classes. I heard she packed on a couple of pounds just saying. I'm laughing my way all the way to Md. I'm so excited to see you on the field and your mouth hanging open because you can't believe that no mAtter what you go your daughter just can't excel. Wow sucks for you. So sorry. Go kiss bs "". Make sure you wipe your nose when your gone kissing it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your daughter to really take advantage of those speed and agility classes. I heard she packed on a couple of pounds just saying. I'm laughing my way all the way to Md. I'm so excited to see you on the field and your mouth hanging open because you can't believe that no mAtter what you go your daughter just can't excel. Wow sucks for you. So sorry. Go kiss bs "". Make sure you wipe your nose when your gone kissing it.

You always expose yourself and show your true colors. Guess what mad dad?..You are the biggest loser I have ever seen. you're so silly it's actually funny how low you will go to try to be relevant. This is a new low even for you, you little pudgy psycho shell of a man. such a joke you are. You want us to really believe the daughter that got cut from TG, actually made YJ Blue and was such a great talent that you were told before everyone else and before rosters posted that she made blue. Wow she must have really knocked CR of her feet with all that talent..Lol you are hilarious!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And I'm laughing at you and your daughter. My daughter blows yours away and your infuriated. My daughter never got cut and el not explain myself any further to you at your lowlife teammates. But, we'll see you on the field I'm sure at one of the tourneys Your lowlife organizer will be letting you play in. Just watch my daughter be the one knocking yours to the ground where she belongs. The proof be at the games. HAng tight and wait for your daughter to get crushed. Hahaha.. Love that I mske you cringe and you lowlife a are stuck with the number one lowlife in lacrosse. You Nd your daughter close seconds. Lmao.. Maybe I will stick around. Just because I CAN!!!!! Love it

Wow you are so tough, sure you will stick around.. stick around anonymously? anyone can do that. You're a p---- for hiding anonymously and talking smack. such a tough guy...NOT

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And I'm laughing at you and your daughter. My daughter blows yours away and your infuriated. My daughter never got cut and el not explain myself any further to you at your lowlife teammates. But, we'll see you on the field I'm sure at one of the tourneys Your lowlife organizer will be letting you play in. Just watch my daughter be the one knocking yours to the ground where she belongs. The proof be at the games. HAng tight and wait for your daughter to get crushed. Hahaha.. Love that I mske you cringe and you lowlife a are stuck with the number one lowlife in lacrosse. You Nd your daughter close seconds. Lmao.. Maybe I will stick around. Just because I CAN!!!!! Love it

What town is this guy from? Teaching his daughter to knock girls down very classy .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And I'm laughing at you and your daughter. My daughter blows yours away and your infuriated. My daughter never got cut and el not explain myself any further to you at your lowlife teammates. But, we'll see you on the field I'm sure at one of the tourneys Your lowlife organizer will be letting you play in. Just watch my daughter be the one knocking yours to the ground where she belongs. The proof be at the games. HAng tight and wait for your daughter to get crushed. Hahaha.. Love that I mske you cringe and you lowlife a are stuck with the number one lowlife in lacrosse. You Nd your daughter close seconds. Lmao.. Maybe I will stick around. Just because I CAN!!!!! Love it

Wow you are so tough, sure you will stick around.. stick around anonymously? anyone can do that. You're a p---- for hiding anonymously and talking smack. such a tough guy...NOT

You two need to get lost. You have kids? We all feel sorry for them.
You are the poster people for contraception.

Lmao, what losers!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And I'm laughing at you and your daughter. My daughter blows yours away and your infuriated. My daughter never got cut and el not explain myself any further to you at your lowlife teammates. But, we'll see you on the field I'm sure at one of the tourneys Your lowlife organizer will be letting you play in. Just watch my daughter be the one knocking yours to the ground where she belongs. The proof be at the games. HAng tight and wait for your daughter to get crushed. Hahaha.. Love that I mske you cringe and you lowlife a are stuck with the number one lowlife in lacrosse. You Nd your daughter close seconds. Lmao.. Maybe I will stick around. Just because I CAN!!!!! Love it

Wow you are so tough, sure you will stick around.. stick around anonymously? anyone can do that. You're a p---- for hiding anonymously and talking smack. such a tough guy...NOT

You two need to get lost. You have kids? We all feel sorry for them.
You are the poster people for contraception.

Seriously. It's like a kindergarten playground with that childish name calling.

You are the loser that spends your life on here and thinks you know everyone and everything. Put you don't your a LOSER....Sorry packing right now, going to MD. Have a great weekend and enjoy doing uhhhh NOTHING.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lmao, what losers!

You!!!

Look at where the name starting starts. It's one of your obsessed tg teammates. Looks like original person tried to keep it clean until the other poster gets all psycho. OMG

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And I'm laughing at you and your daughter. My daughter blows yours away and your infuriated. My daughter never got cut and el not explain myself any further to you at your lowlife teammates. But, we'll see you on the field I'm sure at one of the tourneys Your lowlife organizer will be letting you play in. Just watch my daughter be the one knocking yours to the ground where she belongs. The proof be at the games. HAng tight and wait for your daughter to get crushed. Hahaha.. Love that I mske you cringe and you lowlife a are stuck with the number one lowlife in lacrosse. You Nd your daughter close seconds. Lmao.. Maybe I will stick around. Just because I CAN!!!!! Love it

Wow you are so tough, sure you will stick around.. stick around anonymously? anyone can do that. You're a p---- for hiding anonymously and talking smack. such a tough guy...NOT

You two need to get lost. You have kids? We all feel sorry for them.
You are the poster people for contraception.

Seriously. It's like a kindergarten playground with that childish name calling.

To Mr. Know it All, which town are they from? Please let us know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And I'm laughing at you and your daughter. My daughter blows yours away and your infuriated. My daughter never got cut and el not explain myself any further to you at your lowlife teammates. But, we'll see you on the field I'm sure at one of the tourneys Your lowlife organizer will be letting you play in. Just watch my daughter be the one knocking yours to the ground where she belongs. The proof be at the games. HAng tight and wait for your daughter to get crushed. Hahaha.. Love that I mske you cringe and you lowlife a are stuck with the number one lowlife in lacrosse. You Nd your daughter close seconds. Lmao.. Maybe I will stick around. Just because I CAN!!!!! Love it

What town is this guy from? Teaching his daughter to knock girls down very classy .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are the loser that spends your life on here and thinks you know everyone and everything. Put you don't your a LOSER....Sorry packing right now, going to MD. Have a great weekend and enjoy doing uhhhh NOTHING.....

TG is going to MD

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are the loser that spends your life on here and thinks you know everyone and everything. Put you don't your a LOSER....Sorry packing right now, going to MD. Have a great weekend and enjoy doing uhhhh NOTHING.....

TG is going to MD

No, his daughter is on YJ. They are going to MD. A lot of teams are going. Big showcase tournament its called Primetime.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are the loser that spends your life on here and thinks you know everyone and everything. Put you don't your a LOSER....Sorry packing right now, going to MD. Have a great weekend and enjoy doing uhhhh NOTHING.....

Too bad your stuck playing in CR's Primetime tourney and not the Rivalry Challenge where all the real players will be!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are the loser that spends your life on here and thinks you know everyone and everything. Put you don't your a LOSER....Sorry packing right now, going to MD. Have a great weekend and enjoy doing uhhhh NOTHING.....

Too bad your stuck playing in CR's Primetime tourney and not the Rivalry Challenge where all the real players will be!

Everyone is at Primetime too....Hero's, M&D, YJ, SkyWalkers, Capital, TLC, Steps. One-two punch weekend, why wouldn't you play both??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are the loser that spends your life on here and thinks you know everyone and everything. Put you don't your a LOSER....Sorry packing right now, going to MD. Have a great weekend and enjoy doing uhhhh NOTHING.....

Too bad your stuck playing in CR's Primetime tourney and not the Rivalry Challenge where all the real players will be!

Not a part of your little argument here, but do you realize that YJs has 2018, 2017 an 2016 players going to Rivalry?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are the loser that spends your life on here and thinks you know everyone and everything. Put you don't your a LOSER....Sorry packing right now, going to MD. Have a great weekend and enjoy doing uhhhh NOTHING.....

Too bad your stuck playing in CR's Primetime tourney and not the Rivalry Challenge where all the real players will be!

Your an Idiot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are the loser that spends your life on here and thinks you know everyone and everything. Put you don't your a LOSER....Sorry packing right now, going to MD. Have a great weekend and enjoy doing uhhhh NOTHING.....

Too bad your stuck playing in CR's Primetime tourney and not the Rivalry Challenge where all the real players will be!

Not a part of your little argument here, but do you realize that YJs has 2018, 2017 an 2016 players going to Rivalry?

Of course, but his daughter won't be oneof them

The proof is the record YJ have and TG doesn't compare.

YJ is soo much better, record speaks for itself.

Hey, when are the rosters going up?

Rosters are up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rosters are up

When

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rosters are up

When

23purple at MD with 4 girls who could not make tournament =27 girls on roster? And only 19 on black? Wuzup w that? Some purple girls never touched the ball as they only saw 4 minutes on field. Glad my kid is not wasting money and missing school for Florida. I think the Brine team will be on the agenda again, great experience and Elevate girls were very nice. Hoping the summer has less girls or nobody benefits!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rosters are up

When

23purple at MD with 4 girls who could not make tournament =27 girls on roster? And only 19 on black? Wuzup w that? Some purple girls never touched the ball as they only saw 4 minutes on field. Glad my kid is not wasting money and missing school for Florida. I think the Brine team will be on the agenda again, great experience and Elevate girls were very nice. Hoping the summer has less girls or nobody benefits!

the roster will be smaller in florida and every college coach will be there and nobody cares about brine anymore. good call saving your money and not missing a day of school. that will help keep roster size down for my kid

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rosters are up

When

23purple at MD with 4 girls who could not make tournament =27 girls on roster? And only 19 on black? Wuzup w that? Some purple girls never touched the ball as they only saw 4 minutes on field. Glad my kid is not wasting money and missing school for Florida. I think the Brine team will be on the agenda again, great experience and Elevate girls were very nice. Hoping the summer has less girls or nobody benefits!

the roster will be smaller in florida and every college coach will be there and nobody cares about brine anymore. good call saving your money and not missing a day of school. that will help keep roster size down for my kid

If you want to play on a regional team for exposure, Under Armour draws more coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rosters are up

When

23purple at MD with 4 girls who could not make tournament =27 girls on roster? And only 19 on black? Wuzup w that? Some purple girls never touched the ball as they only saw 4 minutes on field. Glad my kid is not wasting money and missing school for Florida. I think the Brine team will be on the agenda again, great experience and Elevate girls were very nice. Hoping the summer has less girls or nobody benefits!

the roster will be smaller in florida and every college coach will be there and nobody cares about brine anymore. good call saving your money and not missing a day of school. that will help keep roster size down for my kid

If you want to play on a regional team for exposure, Under Armour draws more coaches.

If you really want to help your daughter, and not just be able to brag to other parents about how much better your daughter is than everyone else's, than I suggest you don't bother with either event. Save the money your about to waste on those events, all college coaches know the rosters are nothing more than club driven popularity contest. In your first couple of years of club don't waste your time sitting around the pool with other parents drinking and bragging about your kid. bring them to near by colleges, even at a young age you will be able to see what she likes in a college if you know your kid. with all the money you saved on the B.S. events send you daughter to specific college camps. If your daughter likes Towson, send her to Towson summer camp. be realistic, if your daughter is not a top blue chip don't waste your time at U.N.C. Duke, N.W. there are plenty of good schools out there. Write to every college coach at first there are 106 D1 schools write them all at first then as she gets older narrow it down to about 10 to 12. MOST IMPORTANTLY, be realistic about your daughter and her needs, don't try to go to Princeton if you don't have the grades. Remember CAMPS, CAMPS, CAMPS, its more important than your travel club

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rosters are up

When

23purple at MD with 4 girls who could not make tournament =27 girls on roster? And only 19 on black? Wuzup w that? Some purple girls never touched the ball as they only saw 4 minutes on field. Glad my kid is not wasting money and missing school for Florida. I think the Brine team will be on the agenda again, great experience and Elevate girls were very nice. Hoping the summer has less girls or nobody benefits!

the roster will be smaller in florida and every college coach will be there and nobody cares about brine anymore. good call saving your money and not missing a day of school. that will help keep roster size down for my kid

If you want to play on a regional team for exposure, Under Armour draws more coaches.

And if you don't play for the right team its very hard to make the grade

Where are the rosters

Bring paper and a pen to the training today... You can post it then

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the rosters

What is so funny is that you 2017 parents are so concerned about your rosters but none will call anyone in the TG organization to find out. You just come on here and ask people who have no idea when the rosters will come out. Today at practice walk up to Shannon and ask which team is my daughter on. I hope she tells you so we don't have to read this stupid question any more

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the rosters

ask BS when you see him today

Rough day today against YJ in NJ!! 2020 YJ schooled us.

JR

there are moments of brilliance... and a little comeback in the end

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rough day today against YJ in NJ!! 2020 YJ schooled us.

Smells yellow, go away

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rough day today against YJ in NJ!! 2020 YJ schooled us.

Not sure why green machine is still allowed to enter tournaments using the TG name. Green machine should simply be green machine. Not sure why SS or BS continue to allow them to use the TG name to enter tournaments. It gives off the perception that its TG that sent the teams to participate. These are simply some of the TG black girls that play together on a non club team who enter Tournaments. Makes TG look bad when they lose as most don't understand that green machine is separate from TG. In my opinion nothing wrong with girls getting together to play in other tournaments, But they should be forbidden from using the TG name as its a misrepresentation.

Shannon coached

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shannon coached

Oh well that makes it even worse then. I'm done. Good Night!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shannon coached

Shannon coached green machine?

Yes. Top Guns 2020/Green Machine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Shannon coached

Shannon coached green machine? [/quot

No, she coached TG.

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the rosters

What is so funny is that you 2017 parents are so concerned about your rosters but none will call anyone in the TG organization to find out. You just come on here and ask people who have no idea when the rosters will come out. Today at practice walk up to Shannon and ask which team is my daughter on. I hope she tells you so we don't have to read this stupid question any more

The worst part about this annoying roster question is that person who keeps asking already knows what team they're daughter is on!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Shannon coached

Shannon coached green machine? [/quot

No, she coached TG.

This is what was on the schedule: Green Machine LI Top Guns 2020 Black. This debate has a paper trail. Look it up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shannon coached

Shannon coached green machine?

Yes she did and they got schooled !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shannon coached

Shannon coached green machine?

Yes she did and they got schooled !

The selling point to many 2020s about to jump ship when SL left was they were upgrading the coach to SS. Reality is that is a big down grade in coaching.

Anyway you look at it not a good day for TG . 1-2 on the day would not bode well for the season if they actually invited all the 2020 black players. If they did not invite all the 2020 players and this was a daddy team then how do you have Shannon coaching it, that will not bode well for team chemistry .I heard all their top players were at the tournament , that was from a parent who considers their kid a top player lol.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyway you look at it not a good day for TG . 1-2 on the day would not bode well for the season if they actually invited all the 2020 black players. If they did not invite all the 2020 players and this was a daddy team then how do you have Shannon coaching it, that will not bode well for team chemistry .I heard all their top players were at the tournament , that was from a parent who considers their kid a top player lol.

No, not the best day for TG, it happens. The ENTIRE 2020 black team was invited, all of them. Some could not make it but ALL were included. It was a TG team NOT a "daddy" team, that is why Shannon was there. So please move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Shannon coached

Shannon coached green machine? [/quot

No, she coached TG.

This is what was on the schedule: Green Machine LI Top Guns 2020 Black. This debate has a paper trail. Look it up.

Team was originally entered as Green Machine by one of the dad and it was later decided to do it as a team event. Hence, why BOTH names are listed. The paper might say GM/TG but the tee shirt only said TG and we know its what's on the tee shirt that really counts!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Shannon coached

Shannon coached green machine? [/quot

No, she coached TG.

This is what was on the schedule: Green Machine LI Top Guns 2020 Black. This debate has a paper trail. Look it up.

Team was originally entered as Green Machine by one of the dad and it was later decided to do it as a team event. Hence, why BOTH names are listed. The paper might say GM/TG but the tee shirt only said TG and we know its what's on the tee shirt that really counts!!

If your on 2020 Black you know what when on with the team no reason to explain to anyone why do you keep replying to these fools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Shannon coached

Shannon coached green machine?

Yes she did and they got schooled !

The selling point to many 2020s about to jump ship when SL left was they were upgrading the coach to SS. Reality is that is a big down grade in coaching.

The big selling point should be the 2020 black are a lot better team the Legaacy. No debate necessary.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Shannon coached

Shannon coached green machine?

Yes she did and they got schooled !

The selling point to many 2020s about to jump ship when SL left was they were upgrading the coach to SS. Reality is that is a big down grade in coaching.

The big selling point should be the 2020 black are a lot better team the Legaacy. No debate necessary.

2020 black used to be better than everybody.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Shannon coached

Shannon coached green machine?

Yes she did and they got schooled !

The selling point to many 2020s about to jump ship when SL left was they were upgrading the coach to SS. Reality is that is a big down grade in coaching.

The big selling point should be the 2020 black are a lot better team the Legaacy. No debate necessary.

2020 black used to be better than everybody.

Yes you had one very good year based on one very good player, you have played MD 2 times and beaten them 1, congrats. Sounds as if your best days are now behind you , sad .

who cares they are 12

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Shannon coached

Shannon coached green machine?

Yes she did and they got schooled !

The selling point to many 2020s about to jump ship when SL left was they were upgrading the coach to SS. Reality is that is a big down grade in coaching.

The big selling point should be the 2020 black are a lot better team the Legaacy. No debate necessary.

2020 black used to be better than everybody.

Yes you had one very good year based on one very good player, you have played MD 2 times and beaten them 1, congrats. Sounds as if your best days are now behind you , sad .

What's sad is you posting the 12 year old girls best days are behind them. You should be embarrassed you need to wake up and stop living through your daughter.

What's sad is you posting the 12 year old girls best days are behind them. You should be embarrassed you need to wake up and stop living through your daughter. [/quote]

Did not post about "best days behind you" and I agree it's not a fair post but it is ironic how you crazy, bragging TG daddy's who all of a sudden now say that a post is sad when your not on top anymore and you have been ranting, not handling success well at all. You felt like you were big shots for 1 pre-school season and conducted yourselves with complete arrogance. It's kind of gratifying to watch you now try and humble yourselves when you have been the crazy parents living through your daughters, rambling on these walls. Now maybe it is time to do exactly as you advise and wake up and stop this nonsense. It should be easier for you now.

What a bunch of nonsense. These kids are going to grow up and amount to nothing just like their ignorant parents. Really sad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's sad is you posting the 12 year old girls best days are behind them. You should be embarrassed you need to wake up and stop living through your daughter.

Did not post about "best days behind you" and I agree it's not a fair post but it is ironic how you crazy, bragging TG daddy's who all of a sudden now say that a post is sad when your not on top anymore and you have been ranting, not handling success well at all. You felt like you were big shots for 1 pre-school season and conducted yourselves with complete arrogance. It's kind of gratifying to watch you now try and humble yourselves when you have been the crazy parents living through your daughters, rambling on these walls. Now maybe it is time to do exactly as you advise and wake up and stop this nonsense. It should be easier for you now. [/quote]

Perhaps the ones that were rambling and bragging are now with you on the YJ's....just saying....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Shannon coached

Shannon coached green machine?

Yes she did and they got schooled !

The selling point to many 2020s about to jump ship when SL left was they were upgrading the coach to SS. Reality is that is a big down grade in coaching.

The big selling point should be the 2020 black are a lot better team the Legaacy. No debate necessary.

2020 black used to be better than everybody.

As you can see from the YJ rosters that have been posted, 2020 TG has lost a lot of kids and will struggle this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Shannon coached

Shannon coached green machine?

Yes she did and they got schooled !

The selling point to many 2020s about to jump ship when SL left was they were upgrading the coach to SS. Reality is that is a big down grade in coaching.

The big selling point should be the 2020 black are a lot better team the Legaacy. No debate necessary.

2020 black used to be better than everybody.

As you can see from the YJ rosters that have been posted, 2020 TG has lost a lot of kids and will struggle this summer.

Is the new look of the team a surprise to somebody? Old news, move on

All teams will struggle!!!!! Look at all the double dippers on Yj roster and tg roster. All age groups.... Poor BS!!! He doesn't deserve this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All teams will struggle!!!!! Look at all the double dippers on Yj roster and tg roster. All age groups.... Poor BS!!! He doesn't deserve this.

Is this a joke , its exactly what he deserves. That guy acts like an absolute lunatic everywhere he goes. Sold the club to people as if it was going to be run by his daughter . How many would have joined that club knowing of shannons limited involvement .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All teams will struggle!!!!! Look at all the double dippers on Yj roster and tg roster. All age groups.... Poor BS!!! He doesn't deserve this.

Is this a joke , its exactly what he deserves. That guy acts like an absolute lunatic everywhere he goes. Sold the club to people as if it was going to be run by his daughter . How many would have joined that club knowing of shannons limited involvement .

I would suggest you go back to your YJ thread.. Seems like you're here to start trouble yet your own club is in a total disarray. Lot of unhappy YJ'ers since the rosters have been posted. Don't worry about us over here, Worry about trying to move of that 6th team losers!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All teams will struggle!!!!! Look at all the double dippers on Yj roster and tg roster. All age groups.... Poor BS!!! He doesn't deserve this.

I doubt there are going to be any double dippers. Many of those kids that are on the TG and YJ Rosters didn't attend YJ tryouts, they registered and no showed YJ tryouts. They were still placed on a YJ team. This happened with several girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All teams will struggle!!!!! Look at all the double dippers on Yj roster and tg roster. All age groups.... Poor BS!!! He doesn't deserve this.

I doubt there are going to be any double dippers. Many of those kids that are on the TG and YJ Rosters didn't attend YJ tryouts, they registered and no showed YJ tryouts. They were still placed on a YJ team. This happened with several girls.

Good story to cover attending try outs and being put on the bottom team. Hey, you gave it a shot, now you can go play for TG knowing where you would stand switching over. Of course now the TG directors know where your head is at, not sure if you would want to go back. Good news is at least the TG team coaches aren't paying attention to what's going on, or is that the bad news?

Whoever says the 6th team is an absolute moron. First of all four teams and secondly, any of these four teams are better than ANY team on top guns. You are the loser. You can't even compare organizations and coaching!!!! Yj is a better organization by leaps and bounds. Sorry to break the news to you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whoever says the 6th team is an absolute moron. First of all four teams and secondly, any of these four teams are better than ANY team on top guns. You are the loser. You can't even compare organizations and coaching!!!! Yj is a better organization by leaps and bounds. Sorry to break the news to you.

Yawn!

[quote=Anonymous]Whoever says the 6th team is an absolute moron. First of all four teams and secondly, any of these four teams are better than ANY team on top guns. You are the loser. You can't even compare organizations and coaching!!!! Yj is a better organization by leaps and bounds. Sorry to break the news to you.

Then why are you on this thread?

There are 6 teams in 2019. TG easily beat 19 bert last year. Purple lost by 1 goal. Why do you guys always bash TG? Look at the facts before making comments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are 6 teams in 2019. TG easily beat 19 bert last year. Purple lost by 1 goal. Why do you guys always bash TG? Look at the facts before making comments.

Okay the fact is a lot of your top team players in the 2020 and 2019 age group have transferred over to YJ which will most likely weaken those teams. When you have large numbers of kids leaving your top teams it seems as if maybe your club is on the decline.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All teams will struggle!!!!! Look at all the double dippers on Yj roster and tg roster. All age groups.... Poor BS!!! He doesn't deserve this.

I doubt there are going to be any double dippers. Many of those kids that are on the TG and YJ Rosters didn't attend YJ tryouts, they registered and no showed YJ tryouts. They were still placed on a YJ team. This happened with several girls.

Good story to cover attending try outs and being put on the bottom team. Hey, you gave it a shot, now you can go play for TG knowing where you would stand switching over. Of course now the TG directors know where your head is at, not sure if you would want to go back. Good news is at least the TG team coaches aren't paying attention to what's going on, or is that the bad news?

OK angry one, go back to your own thread. Do you really need to come over and bash the Top Gun program, to justify your feeling trapped into staying with YJ. Your kid is obviously not on a top team or else you would not feel the need to justify the number of team and tell us how good all four of your teams are. YJ is a good program, it gives gives the opportunity to play, and if you are really good (and in many cases just good and lucky enough to have a connection) you will be on their top team. If you are not on their top team, I suspect many of you walk around feeling inadequate thus feeling the need to bash other programs to make you feel like you are better than someone else. Your are probable a person with low self-esteem, and has to pick on others in order to make themselves feel better.

I am sure you will come back with some other insult, but the reality is you cannot escape your own inadequacies no matter what you say.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are 6 teams in 2019. TG easily beat 19 bert last year. Purple lost by 1 goal. Why do you guys always bash TG? Look at the facts before making comments.

Okay the fact is a lot of your top team players in the 2020 and 2019 age group have transferred over to YJ which will most likely weaken those teams. When you have large numbers of kids leaving your top teams it seems as if maybe your club is on the decline.

Three kids is hardly large numbers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are 6 teams in 2019. TG easily beat 19 bert last year. Purple lost by 1 goal. Why do you guys always bash TG? Look at the facts before making comments.

Okay the fact is a lot of your top team players in the 2020 and 2019 age group have transferred over to YJ which will most likely weaken those teams. When you have large numbers of kids leaving your top teams it seems as if maybe your club is on the decline.

There wasn't a large number of players who left, but those who did where good players. That being said they were also the ball hogs, and their parents had their egos riding on their kids playing ability. The ones who left all were welcomed into the YJ friends and family membership, given passes to top teams (some deserving some not), and the former TG daddies who got the F and F plan and coaching spot, their kids are playing for free and getting their travel paid for. But they also had to deliver a few others as well in order to get the deal. I feel sorry for the ones who got talked into going over with these F and F coaches when it's not all it's cracked up to be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are 6 teams in 2019. TG easily beat 19 bert last year. Purple lost by 1 goal. Why do you guys always bash TG? Look at the facts before making comments.

Okay the fact is a lot of your top team players in the 2020 and 2019 age group have transferred over to YJ which will most likely weaken those teams. When you have large numbers of kids leaving your top teams it seems as if maybe your club is on the decline.

Well since there are with you now at YJ, then there is no need to bother us. You and them go on and win all the tournaments.. What is your point even being bothered with us weak TG's?

2020 only lost 2 players to YJ. One strong player and one OK player. That's it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are 6 teams in 2019. TG easily beat 19 bert last year. Purple lost by 1 goal. Why do you guys always bash TG? Look at the facts before making comments.

Okay the fact is a lot of your top team players in the 2020 and 2019 age group have transferred over to YJ which will most likely weaken those teams. When you have large numbers of kids leaving your top teams it seems as if maybe your club is on the decline.

There wasn't a large number of players who left, but those who did where good players. That being said they were also the ball hogs, and their parents had their egos riding on their kids playing ability. The ones who left all were welcomed into the YJ friends and family membership, given passes to top teams (some deserving some not), and the former TG daddies who got the F and F plan and coaching spot, their kids are playing for free and getting their travel paid for. But they also had to deliver a few others as well in order to get the deal. I feel sorry for the ones who got talked into going over with these F and F coaches when it's not all it's cracked up to be.

I heard the daddy coach has been second guessing his deal?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are 6 teams in 2019. TG easily beat 19 bert last year. Purple lost by 1 goal. Why do you guys always bash TG? Look at the facts before making comments.

Okay the fact is a lot of your top team players in the 2020 and 2019 age group have transferred over to YJ which will most likely weaken those teams. When you have large numbers of kids leaving your top teams it seems as if maybe your club is on the decline.

Three kids is hardly large numbers.

Typical TG math , 3 is not a large number but the number is at least 7 I know of, certainly more than that went to the tryouts and I know 7 of them have left for YJ. A few more to follow their coach and you are talking around ten kids left the top teams from 2019 and 2020. Say what you want but it says something.

And the coach! Big loss

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 only lost 2 players to YJ. One strong player and one OK player. That's it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 only lost 2 players to YJ. One strong player and one OK player. That's it!

Actually 3 players , 2 strong and 1 good. Add in the kids who went to Levy and what we lost 4-5 starters , that hurts. That being said who cares , more playing time for our kids , less ball hogging and we got rid of the parent who sits on the sideline criticizing every ones kid. Normally I don't like to criticize any kid but here goes some payback for years of listening to it.Yes your kid is a talented player, your kid is a year older than the other kids so she should be good, she plays a selfish game because you tell her to play that way " clear thru" so she is isolated and can take another forced shot.You think she is a no brainer D1 star middie but anyone who watches can see she is not a defender and any contact makes her shy away so good luck with that.There are many talented kids in the age group and that hold back year will not be the same advantage as they get older.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 only lost 2 players to YJ. One strong player and one OK player. That's it!

Actually 3 players , 2 strong and 1 good. Add in the kids who went to Levy and what we lost 4-5 starters , that hurts. That being said who cares , more playing time for our kids , less ball hogging and we got rid of the parent who sits on the sideline criticizing every ones kid. Normally I don't like to criticize any kid but here goes some payback for years of listening to it.Yes your kid is a talented player, your kid is a year older than the other kids so she should be good, she plays a selfish game because you tell her to play that way " clear thru" so she is isolated and can take another forced shot.You think she is a no brainer D1 star middie but anyone who watches can see she is not a defender and any contact makes her shy away so good luck with that.There are many talented kids in the age group and that hold back year will not be the same advantage as they get older.

shots fired!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]There are 6 teams in 2019. TG easily beat 19 bert last year. Purple lost by 1 goal. Why do you guys always bash TG? Look at the facts before making comments.

Okay the fact is a lot of your top team players in the 2020 and 2019 age group have transferred over to YJ which will most likely weaken those teams. When you have large numbers of kids leaving your top teams it seems as if maybe your club is on the decline.

Three kids is hardly large numbers.

Typical TG math , 3 is not a large number but the number is at least 7 I know of, certainly more than that went to the tryouts and I know 7 of them have left for YJ. A few more to follow their coach and you are talking around ten kids left the top teams from 2019 and 2020. Say what you want but it says something.

Good riddance

One of the players played on 2019 at TG and is now playing 2020 @ YJ. Therefore 2020 did not "lose" her, she never played with them. However, YJ 2020 was very lucky to get her.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 only lost 2 players to YJ. One strong player and one OK player. That's it!

Actually 3 players , 2 strong and 1 good. Add in the kids who went to Levy and what we lost 4-5 starters , that hurts. That being said who cares , more playing time for our kids , less ball hogging and we got rid of the parent who sits on the sideline criticizing every ones kid. Normally I don't like to criticize any kid but here goes some payback for years of listening to it.Yes your kid is a talented player, your kid is a year older than the other kids so she should be good, she plays a selfish game because you tell her to play that way " clear thru" so she is isolated and can take another forced shot.You think she is a no brainer D1 star middie but anyone who watches can see she is not a defender and any contact makes her shy away so good luck with that.There are many talented kids in the age group and that hold back year will not be the same advantage as they get older.

So funny to come to anonymous land where you can see a grown adult so jealous of a 12 yr old kid they feel the need to sling mud, your a sad person.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the players played on 2019 at TG and is now playing 2020 @ YJ. Therefore 2020 did not "lose" her, she never played with them. However, YJ 2020 was very lucky to get her.

Girls are being left back also?

I did not think that the girls were repeating the 8th grade to gain a leg up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the players played on 2019 at TG and is now playing 2020 @ YJ. Therefore 2020 did not "lose" her, she never played with them. However, YJ 2020 was very lucky to get her.

Well she is a 2020 so semantics really. Lucky we will see how well she and her family fit in the cut throat world of YJ.

No, not semantics, fact. She did not play for TG 2020. Therefore, they did not lose her. The end.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, not semantics, fact. She did not play for TG 2020. Therefore, they did not lose her. The end.

Program lost her...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, not semantics, fact. She did not play for TG 2020. Therefore, they did not lose her. The end.

Is she being left back to repeat the 8th grade?

Know the kid and family you are talking about. What a shame some of you feel the need to bash. She's good and she's a nice kid. You can come on here and say what you want but most people have seen the way she plays and her play speaks for itself. Know the family for years. Our girls are friends from TG. They will remain great friends and so will we! Doubt the family is worried about fitting in anywhere. They have 2 older girls who play so making friends with the mommy's and daddy's of their youngest is probably not a big priority for them so you can can "stop worrying" - they will be fine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, not semantics, fact. She did not play for TG 2020. Therefore, they did not lose her. The end.

Actually according to BS was going to be moved to 2020 this summer so in fact we did lose her , if you want to act like a [lacrosse] about it at least have a brain in your head. Again who cares , more playing time for our kids , less kids on the roster , less critical parents on the sideline are all positives. We may not go undefeated but honestly I just hope we become more team oriented and less win at all cost

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Know the kid and family you are talking about. What a shame some of you feel the need to bash. She's good and she's a nice kid. You can come on here and say what you want but most people have seen the way she plays and her play speaks for itself. Know the family for years. Our girls are friends from TG. They will remain great friends and so will we! Doubt the family is worried about fitting in anywhere. They have 2 older girls who play so making friends with the mommy's and daddy's of their youngest is probably not a big priority for them so you can can "stop worrying" - they will be fine.

Why would they not want to become friends with the parents of kids on their kids team, are they too good for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Know the kid and family you are talking about. What a shame some of you feel the need to bash. She's good and she's a nice kid. You can come on here and say what you want but most people have seen the way she plays and her play speaks for itself. Know the family for years. Our girls are friends from TG. They will remain great friends and so will we! Doubt the family is worried about fitting in anywhere. They have 2 older girls who play so making friends with the mommy's and daddy's of their youngest is probably not a big priority for them so you can can "stop worrying" - they will be fine.

Why would they not want to become friends with the parents of kids on their kids team, are they too good for them.

I think it was said becoming friends is not a priority. I can totally understand that. I prefer to be casual with the other parents on my team as well. I participate in the events and leave it at that. Nothing wrong with that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Know the kid and family you are talking about. What a shame some of you feel the need to bash. She's good and she's a nice kid. You can come on here and say what you want but most people have seen the way she plays and her play speaks for itself. Know the family for years. Our girls are friends from TG. They will remain great friends and so will we! Doubt the family is worried about fitting in anywhere. They have 2 older girls who play so making friends with the mommy's and daddy's of their youngest is probably not a big priority for them so you can can "stop worrying" - they will be fine.

Why would they not want to become friends with the parents of kids on their kids team, are they too good for them.

I think it was said becoming friends is not a priority. I can totally understand that. I prefer to be casual with the other parents on my team as well. I participate in the events and leave it at that. Nothing wrong with that.

Here is a great suggestion - how about making it about fun and having a great experience for your daughter? Lacrosse is a wonderful, beautiful game. Unfortunately too many parents have turned it into a job for their kids. Unfortunately too many programs also feed into this and it's all about winning,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Know the kid and family you are talking about. What a shame some of you feel the need to bash. She's good and she's a nice kid. You can come on here and say what you want but most people have seen the way she plays and her play speaks for itself. Know the family for years. Our girls are friends from TG. They will remain great friends and so will we! Doubt the family is worried about fitting in anywhere. They have 2 older girls who play so making friends with the mommy's and daddy's of their youngest is probably not a big priority for them so you can can "stop worrying" - they will be fine.

Why would they not want to become friends with the parents of kids on their kids team, are they too good for them.

I think it was said becoming friends is not a priority. I can totally understand that. I prefer to be casual with the other parents on my team as well. I participate in the events and leave it at that. Nothing wrong with that.

Actually there is something wrong with that. You will be spending the better part of the next 4-5 summers with these people , in hotels , at the fields, at practices etc . Most will have many things in common with you yet it seems and I could be wrong that you have no interest in even trying to strike up a friendship with these people. I know the type and you use the few parents who are the gossipy pains in the [lacrosse] as the excuse to keep to yourselves and stay "above all the political nonsense". Unfortunately you are probably missing out on some great friendships that will last beyond the years spent on the sidelines.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Know the kid and family you are talking about. What a shame some of you feel the need to bash. She's good and she's a nice kid. You can come on here and say what you want but most people have seen the way she plays and her play speaks for itself. Know the family for years. Our girls are friends from TG. They will remain great friends and so will we! Doubt the family is worried about fitting in anywhere. They have 2 older girls who play so making friends with the mommy's and daddy's of their youngest is probably not a big priority for them so you can can "stop worrying" - they will be fine.

Why would they not want to become friends with the parents of kids on their kids team, are they too good for them.

I think it was said becoming friends is not a priority. I can totally understand that. I prefer to be casual with the other parents on my team as well. I participate in the events and leave it at that. Nothing wrong with that.

Actually there is something wrong with that. You will be spending the better part of the next 4-5 summers with these people , in hotels , at the fields, at practices etc . Most will have many things in common with you yet it seems and I could be wrong that you have no interest in even trying to strike up a friendship with these people. I know the type and you use the few parents who are the gossipy pains in the [lacrosse] as the excuse to keep to yourselves and stay "above all the political nonsense". Unfortunately you are probably missing out on some great friendships that will last beyond the years spent on the sidelines.

The writer said they keep it casual and participate in all events. That doesn't sound like having no interest in making friends. Sounds healthy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Know the kid and family you are talking about. What a shame some of you feel the need to bash. She's good and she's a nice kid. You can come on here and say what you want but most people have seen the way she plays and her play speaks for itself. Know the family for years. Our girls are friends from TG. They will remain great friends and so will we! Doubt the family is worried about fitting in anywhere. They have 2 older girls who play so making friends with the mommy's and daddy's of their youngest is probably not a big priority for them so you can can "stop worrying" - they will be fine.

Why would they not want to become friends with the parents of kids on their kids team, are they too good for them.

I think it was said becoming friends is not a priority. I can totally understand that. I prefer to be casual with the other parents on my team as well. I participate in the events and leave it at that. Nothing wrong with that.

Actually there is something wrong with that. You will be spending the better part of the next 4-5 summers with these people , in hotels , at the fields, at practices etc . Most will have many things in common with you yet it seems and I could be wrong that you have no interest in even trying to strike up a friendship with these people. I know the type and you use the few parents who are the gossipy pains in the [lacrosse] as the excuse to keep to yourselves and stay "above all the political nonsense". Unfortunately you are probably missing out on some great friendships that will last beyond the years spent on the sidelines.

The writer said they keep it casual and participate in all events. That doesn't sound like having no interest in making friends. Sounds healthy.

What's sad is that TG has quickly become so much like the YJ program they hate so much.

ok moron on the crazy temper tantrum because they might not want to get to cozy with you. Can you blame them? You are an absolute lunatic! The more you rant, the more you make them look smart and you look like a complete jack a.. Shut up and stop making the rest of us look as crazy as you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ok moron on the crazy temper tantrum because they might not want to get to cozy with you. Can you blame them? You are an absolute lunatic! The more you rant, the more you make them look smart and you look like a complete jack a.. Shut up and stop making the rest of us look as crazy as you.

You just did a good job of making yourself look crazy. Lighten up Francis!

Will the NOW 2020 girl be repeating the 8th grade so her graduation year is the same as her playing year?

Is the NOW 2020 girl currently an 7th grader who is 13 years old?

to all the naysayers that claim that SS doesn't have much involvement with the club, I have to say that I have been thrilled with the winter clinic so far. She is printing center teaching our girls a lot of great skill and they automatically respect her because of her history

Originally Posted by Anonymous

to all the naysayers that claim that SS doesn't have much involvement with the club, I have to say that I have been thrilled with the winter clinic so far. She is printing center teaching our girls a lot of great skill and they automatically respect her because of her history

Not sure what "printing center teaching" is but I agree, she's been there and hands on with the girls and she also very nice.. Goes to show don't believe everything these negative Nancy's post here on this forum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the NOW 2020 girl be repeating the 8th grade so her graduation year is the same as her playing year?

Is the NOW 2020 girl currently an 7th grader who is 13 years old?

Which holdback r you talking about? There are a couple.... R u talking about holdback that left TG to YJ or hold back that's still here at TG 2020?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the NOW 2020 girl be repeating the 8th grade so her graduation year is the same as her playing year?

Is the NOW 2020 girl currently an 7th grader who is 13 years old?

What??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

to all the naysayers that claim that SS doesn't have much involvement with the club, I have to say that I have been thrilled with the winter clinic so far. She is printing center teaching our girls a lot of great skill and they automatically respect her because of her history

Not sure what "printing center teaching" is but I agree, she's been there and hands on with the girls and she also very nice.. Goes to show don't believe everything these negative Nancy's post here on this forum.

I'm going to guess "printing center" was autocorrected and should've been "front and center."

I guess it depends on which team your on. Because this winter clinic is a waste of time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess it depends on which team your on. Because this winter clinic is a waste of time.

Wouldn't call it a waste of time. The instruction and staffing are very good (including SS). But the facility is inadequate. I suspect that is how they kept the cost of the clinic down. $125 for 8 practices per session is a good price. I would pay more if they had a better facility such as KK, or somewhere where they had two fields instead of cramming onto one with 50 girls. I suspect they will see a large drop in the number of girls who sign up for the second session.

Can anyone confirm if there are girls being held back on either team for 2019 or 2020?

That means that the girl is currently in 8th gr and will repeat the 8th gr again making her a 2020 player with a graduation date of 2020.

Or

Is the girl a 2019 -8th gr playing down for 2020?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone confirm if there are girls being held back on either team for 2019 or 2020?

That means that the girl is currently in 8th gr and will repeat the 8th gr again making her a 2020 player with a graduation date of 2020.

Or

Is the girl a 2019 -8th gr playing down for 2020?

Big/good girl on TG 20 black is a hold back. not the same age as every one else, hence the better lax skills and IQ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess it depends on which team your on. Because this winter clinic is a waste of time.

Wouldn't call it a waste of time. The instruction and staffing are very good (including SS). But the facility is inadequate. I suspect that is how they kept the cost of the clinic down. $125 for 8 practices per session is a good price. I would pay more if they had a better facility such as KK, or somewhere where they had two fields instead of cramming onto one with 50 girls. I suspect they will see a large drop in the number of girls who sign up for the second session.

This is not a fashion show, no need to have a 5 star facility..(turf, balls, goals and coaches) are all that's needed. stop complaining and go pay more elsewhere you smug elitist. I don't care where my daughter learns as long as she learns. There will be no drop off as is affordably priced.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess it depends on which team your on. Because this winter clinic is a waste of time.

Wouldn't call it a waste of time. The instruction and staffing are very good (including SS). But the facility is inadequate. I suspect that is how they kept the cost of the clinic down. $125 for 8 practices per session is a good price. I would pay more if they had a better facility such as KK, or somewhere where they had two fields instead of cramming onto one with 50 girls. I suspect they will see a large drop in the number of girls who sign up for the second session.

This is not a fashion show, no need to have a 5 star facility..(turf, balls, goals and coaches) are all that's needed. stop complaining and go pay more elsewhere you smug elitist. I don't care where my daughter learns as long as she learns. There will be no drop off as is affordably priced.

You are correct. Doesn't matter the facility. But why does everyone need to resort to name calling. Please remain adults.

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess it depends on which team your on. Because this winter clinic is a waste of time.

Wouldn't call it a waste of time. The instruction and staffing are very good (including SS). But the facility is inadequate. I suspect that is how they kept the cost of the clinic down. $125 for 8 practices per session is a good price. I would pay more if they had a better facility such as KK, or somewhere where they had two fields instead of cramming onto one with 50 girls. I suspect they will see a large drop in the number of girls who sign up for the second session.

This is not a fashion show, no need to have a 5 star facility..(turf, balls, goals and coaches) are all that's needed. stop complaining and go pay more elsewhere you smug elitist. I don't care where my daughter learns as long as she learns. There will be no drop off as is affordably priced.

You are correct. Doesn't matter the facility. But why does everyone need to resort to name calling. Please remain adults.

The training is fine, the facility is not.. the bubble is filthy and it would be nice if all the lights worked... I counted at least 6 that were out on Sunday..
knock on wood... no injuries that Im aware off

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone confirm if there are girls being held back on either team for 2019 or 2020?

That means that the girl is currently in 8th gr and will repeat the 8th gr again making her a 2020 player with a graduation date of 2020.

Or

Is the girl a 2019 -8th gr playing down for 2020?

Big/good girl on TG 20 black is a hold back. not the same age as every one else, hence the better lax skills and IQ.

Lax IQ, please . That being said how do you know kid is a holdback, may just look that way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone confirm if there are girls being held back on either team for 2019 or 2020?

That means that the girl is currently in 8th gr and will repeat the 8th gr again making her a 2020 player with a graduation date of 2020.

Or

Is the girl a 2019 -8th gr playing down for 2020?

Big/good girl on TG 20 black is a hold back. not the same age as every one else, hence the better lax skills and IQ.

Can all of you please stop with the kid is a hold back. I am friends with the family and she turned 12 in the spring. Stop hating on this kid . She just happens to be a stand out player that is 12 and in 7th grade. You may be confused because she plays up when she plays hoops .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess it depends on which team your on. Because this winter clinic is a waste of time.

Wouldn't call it a waste of time. The instruction and staffing are very good (including SS). But the facility is inadequate. I suspect that is how they kept the cost of the clinic down. $125 for 8 practices per session is a good price. I would pay more if they had a better facility such as KK, or somewhere where they had two fields instead of cramming onto one with 50 girls. I suspect they will see a large drop in the number of girls who sign up for the second session.

This is not a fashion show, no need to have a 5 star facility..(turf, balls, goals and coaches) are all that's needed. stop complaining and go pay more elsewhere you smug elitist. I don't care where my daughter learns as long as she learns. There will be no drop off as is affordably priced.

You are correct. Doesn't matter the facility. But why does everyone need to resort to name calling. Please remain adults.

The training is fine, the facility is not.. the bubble is filthy and it would be nice if all the lights worked... I counted at least 6 that were out on Sunday..
knock on wood... no injuries that Im aware off

Obviously, you're one of the people who always finds something to complain about. The place is fine, and the sessions have been very good, and definitely worth the small fee!

Originally Posted by kidsgame

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone confirm if there are girls being held back on either team for 2019 or 2020?

That means that the girl is currently in 8th gr and will repeat the 8th gr again making her a 2020 player with a graduation date of 2020.

Or

Is the girl a 2019 -8th gr playing down for 2020?

Big/good girl on TG 20 black is a hold back. not the same age as every one else, hence the better lax skills and IQ.

Can all of you please stop with the kid is a hold back. I am friends with the family and she turned 12 in the spring. Stop hating on this kid . She just happens to be a stand out player that is 12 and in 7th grade. You may be confused because she plays up when she plays hoops .

Nice try to cover it up.. Kid is a hold back! Not sure how long you all thought this was going to be held under wraps..cannot and will not reveal source of info.. But it's no lie.. Let's just say Massapequa is a very small place when it comes to who knows who. Before kid got held back was in same grade with my niece,who is 13 so am I to believe kid skipped a grade and then got held back.. How does that work?? Kids family member that plays for other club is the only true 12 yr old in that family.. I don't care either way but let the facts be facts and move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by kidsgame

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone confirm if there are girls being held back on either team for 2019 or 2020?

That means that the girl is currently in 8th gr and will repeat the 8th gr again making her a 2020 player with a graduation date of 2020.

Or

Is the girl a 2019 -8th gr playing down for 2020?

Big/good girl on TG 20 black is a hold back. not the same age as every one else, hence the better lax skills and IQ.

Can all of you please stop with the kid is a hold back. I am friends with the family and she turned 12 in the spring. Stop hating on this kid . She just happens to be a stand out player that is 12 and in 7th grade. You may be confused because she plays up when she plays hoops .

Nice try to cover it up.. Kid is a hold back! Not sure how long you all thought this was going to be held under wraps..cannot and will not reveal source of info.. But it's no lie.. Let's just say Massapequa is a very small place when it comes to who knows who. Before kid got held back was in same grade with my niece,who is 13 so am I to believe kid skipped a grade and then got held back.. How does that work?? Kids family member that plays for other club is the only true 12 yr old in that family.. I don't care either way but let the facts be facts and move on.

Hate to say it but you're correct, was just waiting for someone to let the cat out the bag. With that being said, there needs to be changes in the USL where they use the kids actual dob instead of grad year. I'm all for kids getting the xtra year of school if they're academically behind, I do however have a problem with those parents that use it to get their kids an advantage in sports. Not taking anything away from anyone's kid, but it is expected if kid is older to have better skills.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by kidsgame

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone confirm if there are girls being held back on either team for 2019 or 2020?

That means that the girl is currently in 8th gr and will repeat the 8th gr again making her a 2020 player with a graduation date of 2020.

Or

Is the girl a 2019 -8th gr playing down for 2020?

Big/good girl on TG 20 black is a hold back. not the same age as every one else, hence the better lax skills and IQ.

Can all of you please stop with the kid is a hold back. I am friends with the family and she turned 12 in the spring. Stop hating on this kid . She just happens to be a stand out player that is 12 and in 7th grade. You may be confused because she plays up when she plays hoops .

Nice try to cover it up.. Kid is a hold back! Not sure how long you all thought this was going to be held under wraps..cannot and will not reveal source of info.. But it's no lie.. Let's just say Massapequa is a very small place when it comes to who knows who. Before kid got held back was in same grade with my niece,who is 13 so am I to believe kid skipped a grade and then got held back.. How does that work?? Kids family member that plays for other club is the only true 12 yr old in that family.. I don't care either way but let the facts be facts and move on.

Not playing up for hoops, playing her actual age group. Plays 7th, 8th hoops.

To the parent that says they don't care, but had time to write an entire paragraph on a 12 year old girl that attends the same school as your niece-who do you really think you are fooling. Clearly you care. The bigger question is why do you care so much about someone's parenting decision? Focus on your own family. These things should not bother you. In the grand scheme of life, there are bigger issues than youth lacrosse.

I am the original poster who posed the first question of being held back. I am a parent of a male lax player. I read BOTC to see what is up outside of my own nutty club.

No cat out of the bag. It is common sense that the girl is being left back due to the change is year play from 2019 to 2020.

Sad that the parents of the ladies feel the need to make their daughters repeat the 8th grade to gain an advantage.

I thought the hold back parents of the boys were bad.

I guess her older cousin who plays for YJ 2020 is a hold back as well. You losers need to get over it. Shes better than your daughter and shes the same age. If telling yourself that she is older helps you sleep better at night then keep on ranting about her.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by kidsgame

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone confirm if there are girls being held back on either team for 2019 or 2020?

That means that the girl is currently in 8th gr and will repeat the 8th gr again making her a 2020 player with a graduation date of 2020.

Or

Is the girl a 2019 -8th gr playing down for 2020?

Big/good girl on TG 20 black is a hold back. not the same age as every one else, hence the better lax skills and IQ.

Can all of you please stop with the kid is a hold back. I am friends with the family and she turned 12 in the spring. Stop hating on this kid . She just happens to be a stand out player that is 12 and in 7th grade. You may be confused because she plays up when she plays hoops .

Nice try to cover it up.. Kid is a hold back! Not sure how long you all thought this was going to be held under wraps..cannot and will not reveal source of info.. But it's no lie.. Let's just say Massapequa is a very small place when it comes to who knows who. Before kid got held back was in same grade with my niece,who is 13 so am I to believe kid skipped a grade and then got held back.. How does that work?? Kids family member that plays for other club is the only true 12 yr old in that family.. I don't care either way but let the facts be facts and move on.

Hate to say it but you're correct, was just waiting for someone to let the cat out the bag. With that being said, there needs to be changes in the USL where they use the kids actual dob instead of grad year. I'm all for kids getting the xtra year of school if they're academically behind, I do however have a problem with those parents that use it to get their kids an advantage in sports. Not taking anything away from anyone's kid, but it is expected if kid is older to have better skills.

A kid can start kindergarten a year later or be left back early in their academic career. This would still make the child a year older than the rest in their grade. I would hope that parents don't think "oh let me hold Mary back when she's 4 or 5 to give her an athletic advantage web she's 13". Some kids are held/lleft back or LEGIT reasons. Stop belly-aching about it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by kidsgame

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone confirm if there are girls being held back on either team for 2019 or 2020?

That means that the girl is currently in 8th gr and will repeat the 8th gr again making her a 2020 player with a graduation date of 2020.

Or

Is the girl a 2019 -8th gr playing down for 2020?

Big/good girl on TG 20 black is a hold back. not the same age as every one else, hence the better lax skills and IQ.

Can all of you please stop with the kid is a hold back. I am friends with the family and she turned 12 in the spring. Stop hating on this kid . She just happens to be a stand out player that is 12 and in 7th grade. You may be confused because she plays up when she plays hoops .

Nice try to cover it up.. Kid is a hold back! Not sure how long you all thought this was going to be held under wraps..cannot and will not reveal source of info.. But it's no lie.. Let's just say Massapequa is a very small place when it comes to who knows who. Before kid got held back was in same grade with my niece,who is 13 so am I to believe kid skipped a grade and then got held back.. How does that work?? Kids family member that plays for other club is the only true 12 yr old in that family.. I don't care either way but let the facts be facts and move on.

Hate to say it but you're correct, was just waiting for someone to let the cat out the bag. With that being said, there needs to be changes in the USL where they use the kids actual dob instead of grad year. I'm all for kids getting the xtra year of school if they're academically behind, I do however have a problem with those parents that use it to get their kids an advantage in sports. Not taking anything away from anyone's kid, but it is expected if kid is older to have better skills.

It's club lacrosse.....it's an audition for college coaches.....they could care less how old you are.....they have no interest in an age based system....they get you when you graduate, not when you turn 17. Stop worrying about everyone else.

she has to be more involved now and not BS. She cant have her best players defect to YJ in the alarming numbers that took place this fall. More hands on please.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am the original poster who posed the first question of being held back. I am a parent of a male lax player. I read BOTC to see what is up outside of my own nutty club.

No cat out of the bag. It is common sense that the girl is being left back due to the change is year play from 2019 to 2020.

Sad that the parents of the ladies feel the need to make their daughters repeat the 8th grade to gain an advantage.

I thought the hold back parents of the boys were bad.

you're very right, however the parents will deny it and bash anyone that dare questions it. see the firestorm about to happen on the forum because it was brought up and someone that knows first hand chimed in. to each his own I guess.Hold backs are the new way to get ahead. Would never do that to my child. if this lax stuff doesn't work out, well we move on to something else. Not that serious, There is life after lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess her older cousin who plays for YJ 2020 is a hold back as well. You losers need to get over it. Shes better than your daughter and shes the same age. If telling yourself that she is older helps you sleep better at night then keep on ranting about her.

Nope poster is correct cousin is the only legit 12 yr old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by kidsgame

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone confirm if there are girls being held back on either team for 2019 or 2020?

That means that the girl is currently in 8th gr and will repeat the 8th gr again making her a 2020 player with a graduation date of 2020.

Or

Is the girl a 2019 -8th gr playing down for 2020?

Big/good girl on TG 20 black is a hold back. not the same age as every one else, hence the better lax skills and IQ.

Can all of you please stop with the kid is a hold back. I am friends with the family and she turned 12 in the spring. Stop hating on this kid . She just happens to be a stand out player that is 12 and in 7th grade. You may be confused because she plays up when she plays hoops .

Nice try to cover it up.. Kid is a hold back! Not sure how long you all thought this was going to be held under wraps..cannot and will not reveal source of info.. But it's no lie.. Let's just say Massapequa is a very small place when it comes to who knows who. Before kid got held back was in same grade with my niece,who is 13 so am I to believe kid skipped a grade and then got held back.. How does that work?? Kids family member that plays for other club is the only true 12 yr old in that family.. I don't care either way but let the facts be facts and move on.

No cover up you have received bad intel. The cousin you speak of is my friends daughter. When this subject was bashed about last time I went to him and asked if his niece was a hold back. He laughed and said his daughter is older than his niece. Sorry to disappoint you. Have a nice day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess it depends on which team your on. Because this winter clinic is a waste of time.

Wouldn't call it a waste of time. The instruction and staffing are very good (including SS). But the facility is inadequate. I suspect that is how they kept the cost of the clinic down. $125 for 8 practices per session is a good price. I would pay more if they had a better facility such as KK, or somewhere where they had two fields instead of cramming onto one with 50 girls. I suspect they will see a large drop in the number of girls who sign up for the second session.

This is not a fashion show, no need to have a 5 star facility..(turf, balls, goals and coaches) are all that's needed. stop complaining and go pay more elsewhere you smug elitist. I don't care where my daughter learns as long as she learns. There will be no drop off as is affordably priced.

You are correct. Doesn't matter the facility. But why does everyone need to resort to name calling. Please remain adults.

The training is fine, the facility is not.. the bubble is filthy and it would be nice if all the lights worked... I counted at least 6 that were out on Sunday..
knock on wood... no injuries that Im aware off

If this is the 2017 dad that complains about something year after year you really need to find something more constructive to do than count lightbulbs. Take a look around on Sunday and notice that nobody wants to stand next to you anymore, just like at school functions-you bash the tournaments, the coaches and even the girls! Don't like it? Leave!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

she has to be more involved now and not BS. She cant have her best players defect to YJ in the alarming numbers that took place this fall. More hands on please.

Alarming numbers???? lol u are funny. Guess math wasn't your strong subject. Somehow you must have not learned the correct way to count.

Originally Posted by kidsgame

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by kidsgame

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone confirm if there are girls being held back on either team for 2019 or 2020?

That means that the girl is currently in 8th gr and will repeat the 8th gr again making her a 2020 player with a graduation date of 2020.

Or

Is the girl a 2019 -8th gr playing down for 2020?

Big/good girl on TG 20 black is a hold back. not the same age as every one else, hence the better lax skills and IQ.

Can all of you please stop with the kid is a hold back. I am friends with the family and she turned 12 in the spring. Stop hating on this kid . She just happens to be a stand out player that is 12 and in 7th grade. You may be confused because she plays up when she plays hoops .

Nice try to cover it up.. Kid is a hold back! Not sure how long you all thought this was going to be held under wraps..cannot and will not reveal source of info.. But it's no lie.. Let's just say Massapequa is a very small place when it comes to who knows who. Before kid got held back was in same grade with my niece,who is 13 so am I to believe kid skipped a grade and then got held back.. How does that work?? Kids family member that plays for other club is the only true 12 yr old in that family.. I don't care either way but let the facts be facts and move on.

No cover up you have received bad intel. The cousin you speak of is my friends daughter. When this subject was bashed about last time I went to him and asked if his niece was a hold back. He laughed and said his daughter is older than his niece. Sorry to disappoint you. Have a nice day.

Womp womp. Sure

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by kidsgame

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone confirm if there are girls being held back on either team for 2019 or 2020?

That means that the girl is currently in 8th gr and will repeat the 8th gr again making her a 2020 player with a graduation date of 2020.

Or

Is the girl a 2019 -8th gr playing down for 2020?

Big/good girl on TG 20 black is a hold back. not the same age as every one else, hence the better lax skills and IQ.

Can all of you please stop with the kid is a hold back. I am friends with the family and she turned 12 in the spring. Stop hating on this kid . She just happens to be a stand out player that is 12 and in 7th grade. You may be confused because she plays up when she plays hoops .

Nice try to cover it up.. Kid is a hold back! Not sure how long you all thought this was going to be held under wraps..cannot and will not reveal source of info.. But it's no lie.. Let's just say Massapequa is a very small place when it comes to who knows who. Before kid got held back was in same grade with my niece,who is 13 so am I to believe kid skipped a grade and then got held back.. How does that work?? Kids family member that plays for other club is the only true 12 yr old in that family.. I don't care either way but let the facts be facts and move on.

Hate to say it but you're correct, was just waiting for someone to let the cat out the bag. With that being said, there needs to be changes in the USL where they use the kids actual dob instead of grad year. I'm all for kids getting the xtra year of school if they're academically behind, I do however have a problem with those parents that use it to get their kids an advantage in sports. Not taking anything away from anyone's kid, but it is expected if kid is older to have better skills.

A kid can start kindergarten a year later or be left back early in their academic career. This would still make the child a year older than the rest in their grade. I would hope that parents don't think "oh let me hold Mary back when she's 4 or 5 to give her an athletic advantage web she's 13". Some kids are held/lleft back or LEGIT reasons. Stop belly-aching about it.

Legit holdbacks are not the problem, Holdbacks to be dominant in sports is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess her older cousin who plays for YJ 2020 is a hold back as well. You losers need to get over it. Shes better than your daughter and shes the same age. If telling yourself that she is older helps you sleep better at night then keep on ranting about her.

She should be good at 13 playing on 12 yr old team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess her older cousin who plays for YJ 2020 is a hold back as well. You losers need to get over it. Shes better than your daughter and shes the same age. If telling yourself that she is older helps you sleep better at night then keep on ranting about her.

She should be good at 13 playing on 12 yr old team.

We are actually on the same team with said girl. It is common knowledge on our team that there is a age advantage and that she was held over, this is not news to us, maybe to everyone else. With that being said, We like her, good kid and definitely most dominant on our team and she plays well. My kid plays lax because she likes it, I don't care if said girl is better. There's enough opportunities for everyone's kid to be seen. They all bring something to the game, so it doesn't matter if she belongs in a higher grade or if she's great at lax,she should be,she's older. but she also works hard and that cant be taken away from her.

Stop looking for excuses why kids might actually be good. You are the type that looks to make others feel small to make yourself feel big. You clearly were a disappointed athlete and can't handle going through it again in your kids. Cut the crap and act like a parent. You can see right through you. We will bring tissues to the next game for you.

It's great that all you fools keep feeding the ego of this 12yr olds parents. She is 12 and you can bash all you want. Massapequa is a town that everybody has an excuse as well. The girls is 12, your cousins uncles friends sister who gave you the information is 100% wrong. But you will believe she is older bc she is that much better than your daughter. She's a great player, most talked about 12 yr old on the island. Again 12 years old!!!!!!!!!! Get a life and a move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's great that all you fools keep feeding the ego of this 12yr olds parents. She is 12 and you can bash all you want. Massapequa is a town that everybody has an excuse as well. The girls is 12, your cousins uncles friends sister who gave you the information is 100% wrong. But you will believe she is older bc she is that much better than your daughter. She's a great player, most talked about 12 yr old on the island. Again 12 years old!!!!!!!!!! Get a life and a move on

Sounds like you're the only one feeding the parents egos buddy, you must have stock in that family's dealings to be so defensive. worry about your own kid and let those that know the truth and don't drink the kool aid be free to say what they feel. nothing you say, nor how many insults you spew will change the facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's great that all you fools keep feeding the ego of this 12yr olds parents. She is 12 and you can bash all you want. Massapequa is a town that everybody has an excuse as well. The girls is 12, your cousins uncles friends sister who gave you the information is 100% wrong. But you will believe she is older bc she is that much better than your daughter. She's a great player, most talked about 12 yr old on the island. Again 12 years old!!!!!!!!!! Get a life and a move on

Ok mom or dad if you say so

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's great that all you fools keep feeding the ego of this 12yr olds parents. She is 12 and you can bash all you want. Massapequa is a town that everybody has an excuse as well. The girls is 12, your cousins uncles friends sister who gave you the information is 100% wrong. But you will believe she is older bc she is that much better than your daughter. She's a great player, most talked about 12 yr old on the island. Again 12 years old!!!!!!!!!! Get a life and a move on

Ok mom or dad if you say so

Whether it's mom, dad, sister, brother friend or someone like myself who sees you can't win with someone as unintelligent as this animal... good for you for defending this KID! This sad excuse for a human being and father needs people to shut him up! We are all sick of hearing his jealous outrages. The only thing it shows is how very unintelligent he is!

He can't be that intelligent being on tg!!! Just saying!! And, I heard the 12 year old is not great. They need to get a hobby

Let it go , who cares the truth will come out either way and the ones on here stating the opposite will look like fools. If she is of age then take it as a compliment if not of age it is what it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess it depends on which team your on. Because this winter clinic is a waste of time.

Wouldn't call it a waste of time. The instruction and staffing are very good (including SS). But the facility is inadequate. I suspect that is how they kept the cost of the clinic down. $125 for 8 practices per session is a good price. I would pay more if they had a better facility such as KK, or somewhere where they had two fields instead of cramming onto one with 50 girls. I suspect they will see a large drop in the number of girls who sign up for the second session.

This is not a fashion show, no need to have a 5 star facility..(turf, balls, goals and coaches) are all that's needed. stop complaining and go pay more elsewhere you smug elitist. I don't care where my daughter learns as long as she learns. There will be no drop off as is affordably priced.

You are correct. Doesn't matter the facility. But why does everyone need to resort to name calling. Please remain adults.

The training is fine, the facility is not.. the bubble is filthy and it would be nice if all the lights worked... I counted at least 6 that were out on Sunday..
knock on wood... no injuries that Im aware off

If this is the 2017 dad that complains about something year after year you really need to find something more constructive to do than count lightbulbs. Take a look around on Sunday and notice that nobody wants to stand next to you anymore, just like at school functions-you bash the tournaments, the coaches and even the girls! Don't like it? Leave!!

you got me all figured out.... looks like I'll be all alone on the sideline again this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I guess it depends on which team your on. Because this winter clinic is a waste of time.

Wouldn't call it a waste of time. The instruction and staffing are very good (including SS). But the facility is inadequate. I suspect that is how they kept the cost of the clinic down. $125 for 8 practices per session is a good price. I would pay more if they had a better facility such as KK, or somewhere where they had two fields instead of cramming onto one with 50 girls. I suspect they will see a large drop in the number of girls who sign up for the second session.

KK is a dump. The training is good and my daughter will be signing up for the 2nd session. $125 for 8 sessions is a very good price.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I guess it depends on which team your on. Because this winter clinic is a waste of time.

Wouldn't call it a waste of time. The instruction and staffing are very good (including SS). But the facility is inadequate. I suspect that is how they kept the cost of the clinic down. $125 for 8 practices per session is a good price. I would pay more if they had a better facility such as KK, or somewhere where they had two fields instead of cramming onto one with 50 girls. I suspect they will see a large drop in the number of girls who sign up for the second session.

KK is a dump. The training is good and my daughter will be signing up for the 2nd session. $125 for 8 sessions is a very good price.

Couldn't agree more, and we already signed up for both sessions, broken light bulbs and all!

The whole thing stinks but very typical. i have learned throughout the years not to expect anything and we will not be disappointed. You get what you pay for people!!!!!!! If your cheap you get cheap coaching and facilities.

You can always pay $200 for 4 wall sessions with the YJ at KK. As tempting as it sounds I'm going to pass.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can always pay $200 for 4 wall sessions with the YJ at KK. As tempting as it sounds I'm going to pass.

There really aren't any "nice" or "big" indoor lacrosse or soccer facilities on Long Island. Not any clubs fault, need a big investor to build one along major hwy; LIE or Sunrise Hwy for easy access. The fairly new ISA in Sayville, is not full field, and now can't even stand up top to watch games, because there aren't 2 ways to exit in case of a fire.

It's not the facility that I have a problem with. It's the poor turnout of girls for these practices. I was so happy to do this instead of that crap 7 on 7 in Mt. Sinai. But the girls are doing the same drills they did 3 years ago. How many times can you make the girls do the weave? Girls aren't practicing with the girls on their teams either. Can't build chemistry if you're playing with girls that aren't on your team every practice. I'm rethinking signing up for the second session. SS wasn't there either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can always pay $200 for 4 wall sessions with the YJ at KK. As tempting as it sounds I'm going to pass.

But for $200 you get to see Coach Curcio with bedhead in her PJ's

Why do you always compare us to Yj? Obviously your jealous. Why don't you go to Yj? Who cares what they do. Let's improve this Ricky dink organization. There's plenty of places to practice. Google it!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can always pay $200 for 4 wall sessions with the YJ at KK. As tempting as it sounds I'm going to pass.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can always pay $200 for 4 wall sessions with the YJ at KK. As tempting as it sounds I'm going to pass.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can always pay $200 for 4 wall sessions with the YJ at KK. As tempting as it sounds I'm going to pass.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can always pay $200 for 4 wall sessions with the YJ at KK. As tempting as it sounds I'm going to pass.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can always pay $200 for 4 wall sessions with the YJ at KK. As tempting as it sounds I'm going to pass.

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

It's not the facility that I have a problem with. It's the poor turnout of girls for these practices. I was so happy to do this instead of that crap 7 on 7 in Mt. Sinai. But the girls are doing the same drills they did 3 years ago. How many times can you make the girls do the weave? Girls aren't practicing with the girls on their teams either. Can't build chemistry if you're playing with girls that aren't on your team every practice. I'm rethinking signing up for the second session. SS wasn't there either.

The weave is one of the most important drill for any team to do. It is the game in a nutshell. My towns Varsity and JV teams run that drill 20-30 minutes at every practice. Watch next week and notice the amount of girls that can not physically do it. The best thing about the indoor practices is that it exposes many strengths and weaknesses.

I don't see any problem with the training on Sundays other than too crowded. Maybe top guns could change from years to each team so instead of all 2019 going together make three sessions . Of course it would cost more but worth it for the girls to practice with their team.

costal. Hauppauge

At least she wakes up to attend practice. Not like the TG coach who sleeps on the sidelines. Oh wait. Is his last name smith

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

It's not the facility that I have a problem with. It's the poor turnout of girls for these practices. I was so happy to do this instead of that crap 7 on 7 in Mt. Sinai. But the girls are doing the same drills they did 3 years ago. How many times can you make the girls do the weave? Girls aren't practicing with the girls on their teams either. Can't build chemistry if you're playing with girls that aren't on your team every practice. I'm rethinking signing up for the second session. SS wasn't there either.

The weave is one of the most important drill for any team to do. It is the game in a nutshell. My towns Varsity and JV teams run that drill 20-30 minutes at every practice. Watch next week and notice the amount of girls that can not physically do it. The best thing about the indoor practices is that it exposes many strengths and weaknesses.

I agree, My daughters team cannot accurately do it, so yes they do need to work on it to get better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The whole thing stinks but very typical. i have learned throughout the years not to expect anything and we will not be disappointed. You get what you pay for people!!!!!!! If your cheap you get cheap coaching and facilities.

If you're with TG, why??? Go somewhere else, and see how miserable you are. Probably doesn't matter where you are...Shannon Smith is cheap coaching? Hopefully you're an outsider just starting crap. If not you're pathetic for staying and donating so much money for a product you can't stand!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The whole thing stinks but very typical. i have learned throughout the years not to expect anything and we will not be disappointed. You get what you pay for people!!!!!!! If your cheap you get cheap coaching and facilities.

So here you are complaining as usual......What would you like done during the winter months. Unless you have a better idea why dont you just SHUT UP.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The whole thing stinks but very typical. i have learned throughout the years not to expect anything and we will not be disappointed. You get what you pay for people!!!!!!! If your cheap you get cheap coaching and facilities.

So here you are complaining as usual......What would you like done during the winter months. Unless you have a better idea why dont you just SHUT UP.

Half of the players on the teams dont show up because they are playing OTHER sports. Wake up!!!!! A lot of girls are multi-sport athletes who have in season commitments to their winter teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The whole thing stinks but very typical. i have learned throughout the years not to expect anything and we will not be disappointed. You get what you pay for people!!!!!!! If your cheap you get cheap coaching and facilities.

If you're with TG, why??? Go somewhere else, and see how miserable you are. Probably doesn't matter where you are...Shannon Smith is cheap coaching? Hopefully you're an outsider just starting crap. If not you're pathetic for staying and donating so much money for a product you can't stand!

Do us all a favor and take your daughter-who wears more equipment than the goalie-to another team. BS and your town are fed up with your cronic complaining!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The whole thing stinks but very typical. i have learned throughout the years not to expect anything and we will not be disappointed. You get what you pay for people!!!!!!! If your cheap you get cheap coaching and facilities.

If you're with TG, why??? Go somewhere else, and see how miserable you are. Probably doesn't matter where you are...Shannon Smith is cheap coaching? Hopefully you're an outsider just starting crap. If not you're pathetic for staying and donating so much money for a product you can't stand!

Do us all a favor and take your daughter-who wears more equipment than the goalie-to another team. BS and your town are fed up with your cronic complaining!

Sounds like somebody figured out who you are!

SS ran the entire clinic today, start to finish. The girls really loved it today more so than the other days (the other days have been good too, and Shannon has been at all of them, but today she ran whole group activities). I am not sure if it is because my daughter is getting older, but it seems like she it taking a much bigge role in club activities this year, as compared to last year.

Please the practices are a joke

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please the practices are a joke

So stop going then

Us poor people of MP have to deal w this idiot, he complains all year about school lax too! The running joke is we Thank God his daughter only plays 1 sport!
Pretty sure BS is getting to the point where he's going to toss him, maybe we should start a pool

THE ONLY THING THAT'S A JOKE IS YOU!!! THINKING THAT YOUR GETTING AN ADVANTAGE FROM SS. MAYBE ITS BECAUSE A LOT OF TALENTED GIRLS ARE GOING ELSEWHERE. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE KOOL AID.

Yay!!!!! Its about time!!!!! Good for you. So jealous. Not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SS ran the entire clinic today, start to finish. The girls really loved it today more so than the other days (the other days have been good too, and Shannon has been at all of them, but today she ran whole group activities). I am not sure if it is because my daughter is getting older, but it seems like she it taking a much bigge role in club activities this year, as compared to last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yay!!!!! Its about time!!!!! Good for you. So jealous. Not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SS ran the entire clinic today, start to finish. The girls really loved it today more so than the other days (the other days have been good too, and Shannon has been at all of them, but today she ran whole group activities). I am not sure if it is because my daughter is getting older, but it seems like she it taking a much bigge role in club activities this year, as compared to last year.

If you were not jealous or angry why would you even comment in such a way. Oh, that's right you have to justify the poor choices that you made for your daughter in having her play somewhere else in which you now feel trapped. The only way you can make yourself feel better is to try to knock down other clubs so you can feel better about yourself. Classic low self-esteem behavior.

Yeah you got me pegged you idiot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

THE ONLY THING THAT'S A JOKE IS YOU!!! THINKING THAT YOUR GETTING AN ADVANTAGE FROM SS. MAYBE ITS BECAUSE A LOT OF TALENTED GIRLS ARE GOING ELSEWHERE. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE KOOL AID.

If you don't think Shannon's a good coach you have no idea what you're talking about. bye bye!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yay!!!!! Its about time!!!!! Good for you. So jealous. Not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SS ran the entire clinic today, start to finish. The girls really loved it today more so than the other days (the other days have been good too, and Shannon has been at all of them, but today she ran whole group activities). I am not sure if it is because my daughter is getting older, but it seems like she it taking a much bigge role in club activities this year, as compared to last year.

If you were not jealous or angry why would you even comment in such a way. Oh, that's right you have to justify the poor choices that you made for your daughter in having her play somewhere else in which you now feel trapped. The only way you can make yourself feel better is to try to knock down other clubs so you can feel better about yourself. Classic low self-esteem behavior.

You're exactly right! Most of these dumb posts, putting down people and programs, all stem from low self-esteem and jealousy! Well said

You are Pathetic!! Summer will prove how good of a coach SS is. Only one year and a black team. Really? see you on the field. bye now

Originally Posted by Anonymous

THE ONLY THING THAT'S A JOKE IS YOU!!! THINKING THAT YOUR GETTING AN ADVANTAGE FROM SS. MAYBE ITS BECAUSE A LOT OF TALENTED GIRLS ARE GOING ELSEWHERE. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE KOOL AID.

If you don't think Shannon's a good coach you have no idea what you're talking about. bye bye!

There is a golden opportunity to see exactly where SS stands as a coach. We all know both SS and CR coach 2018 teams that never seem to play each other. They did play a few years ago in a shortened tie. Many changes to both teams since then both from a roster perspective and a development perspective. Two teams likely to clash at U15 nationals this year. Should be a good measuring stick of how each coach has developed their team. National championship is in VA this year, maybe skywalkers and M&D show up, I would put them as favorites.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are Pathetic!! Summer will prove how good of a coach SS is. Only one year and a black team. Really? see you on the field. bye now

What are you writing about? Makes no sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

THE ONLY THING THAT'S A JOKE IS YOU!!! THINKING THAT YOUR GETTING AN ADVANTAGE FROM SS. MAYBE ITS BECAUSE A LOT OF TALENTED GIRLS ARE GOING ELSEWHERE. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE KOOL AID.

If you don't think Shannon's a good coach you have no idea what you're talking about. bye bye!

There is a golden opportunity to see exactly where SS stands as a coach. We all know both SS and CR coach 2018 teams that never seem to play each other. They did play a few years ago in a shortened tie. Many changes to both teams since then both from a roster perspective and a development perspective. Two teams likely to clash at U15 nationals this year. Should be a good measuring stick of how each coach has developed their team. National championship is in VA this year, maybe skywalkers and M&D show up, I would put them as favorites.

Who wins 2018 games doesn't tell you who's a better coach. Maybe it tells you who has the better team...maybe. They're both excellent coaches, and you really don't know how to measure a coach.

You should start a pool? Really? Your obviously uneducated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Us poor people of MP have to deal w this idiot, he complains all year about school lax too! The running joke is we Thank God his daughter only plays 1 sport!
Pretty sure BS is getting to the point where he's going to toss him, maybe we should start a pool

I am certain that 2018 purple is a better team that the 2018 black team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah you got me pegged you idiot.

Enjoy going through life feeling inadequate, its obvious from the hostility of your posting. I guess money can't buy self-esteem. Does your psychologist tell you it's your parents fault from a deprived childhood? Mommy issues? Still angry over your recent divorce?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

THE ONLY THING THAT'S A JOKE IS YOU!!! THINKING THAT YOUR GETTING AN ADVANTAGE FROM SS. MAYBE ITS BECAUSE A LOT OF TALENTED GIRLS ARE GOING ELSEWHERE. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE KOOL AID.

If you don't think Shannon's a good coach you have no idea what you're talking about. bye bye!

There is a golden opportunity to see exactly where SS stands as a coach. We all know both SS and CR coach 2018 teams that never seem to play each other. They did play a few years ago in a shortened tie. Many changes to both teams since then both from a roster perspective and a development perspective. Two teams likely to clash at U15 nationals this year. Should be a good measuring stick of how each coach has developed their team. National championship is in VA this year, maybe skywalkers and M&D show up, I would put them as favorites.

It would be great if M&D and Skywalkers go to U15, now the winner of this one would have some real bragging right with all the mid-atlantic teams showning up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

THE ONLY THING THAT'S A JOKE IS YOU!!! THINKING THAT YOUR GETTING AN ADVANTAGE FROM SS. MAYBE ITS BECAUSE A LOT OF TALENTED GIRLS ARE GOING ELSEWHERE. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE KOOL AID.

If you don't think Shannon's a good coach you have no idea what you're talking about. bye bye!

There is a golden opportunity to see exactly where SS stands as a coach. We all know both SS and CR coach 2018 teams that never seem to play each other. They did play a few years ago in a shortened tie. Many changes to both teams since then both from a roster perspective and a development perspective. Two teams likely to clash at U15 nationals this year. Should be a good measuring stick of how each coach has developed their team. National championship is in VA this year, maybe skywalkers and M&D show up, I would put them as favorites.

It would be great if M&D and Skywalkers go to U15, now the winner of this one would have some real bragging right with all the mid-atlantic teams showning up.

U15's is a joke. Barely any college coaches show up. Why would you go to this especially having to go to Richmond on back to back weekends?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

THE ONLY THING THAT'S A JOKE IS YOU!!! THINKING THAT YOUR GETTING AN ADVANTAGE FROM SS. MAYBE ITS BECAUSE A LOT OF TALENTED GIRLS ARE GOING ELSEWHERE. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE KOOL AID.

If you don't think Shannon's a good coach you have no idea what you're talking about. bye bye!

There is a golden opportunity to see exactly where SS stands as a coach. We all know both SS and CR coach 2018 teams that never seem to play each other. They did play a few years ago in a shortened tie. Many changes to both teams since then both from a roster perspective and a development perspective. Two teams likely to clash at U15 nationals this year. Should be a good measuring stick of how each coach has developed their team. National championship is in VA this year, maybe skywalkers and M&D show up, I would put them as favorites.

It would be great if M&D and Skywalkers go to U15, now the winner of this one would have some real bragging right with all the mid-atlantic teams showning up.

U15's is a joke. Barely any college coaches show up. Why would you go to this especially having to go to Richmond on back to back weekends?

Bragging rights. You're right, there aren't a lot of coaches. You'd think it would be a big recruiting event but it is not. But if you win you get to say you are the best team in your age group.

I can assure you the 2018 purple has never beaten the 2018 Black...and they have played a few times over the years...

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

U15's is a joke. Barely any college coaches show up. Why would you go to this especially having to go to Richmond on back to back weekends?

Bragging rights. You're right, there aren't a lot of coaches. You'd think it would be a big recruiting event but it is not. But if you win you get to say you are the best team in your age group. [/quote]
Your the best only if all the best clubs show up. Otherwise your a paper champ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

U15's is a joke. Barely any college coaches show up. Why would you go to this especially having to go to Richmond on back to back weekends?

Bragging rights. You're right, there aren't a lot of coaches. You'd think it would be a big recruiting event but it is not. But if you win you get to say you are the best team in your age group.

Your the best only if all the best clubs show up. Otherwise your a paper champ. [/quote]

So according to you no one can ever claim to be the best travel team in their age group as there is no single tournament that all the best teams show up at. Seems to me if all the best teams showed up more college coaches would probably go . Elephant in the room is that the tournament is aged based which creates some issues especially for the teams south of Jersey.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

THE ONLY THING THAT'S A JOKE IS YOU!!! THINKING THAT YOUR GETTING AN ADVANTAGE FROM SS. MAYBE ITS BECAUSE A LOT OF TALENTED GIRLS ARE GOING ELSEWHERE. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE KOOL AID.

If you don't think Shannon's a good coach you have no idea what you're talking about. bye bye!

There is a golden opportunity to see exactly where SS stands as a coach. We all know both SS and CR coach 2018 teams that never seem to play each other. They did play a few years ago in a shortened tie. Many changes to both teams since then both from a roster perspective and a development perspective. Two teams likely to clash at U15 nationals this year. Should be a good measuring stick of how each coach has developed their team. National championship is in VA this year, maybe skywalkers and M&D show up, I would put them as favorites.

It would be great if M&D and Skywalkers go to U15, now the winner of this one would have some real bragging right with all the mid-atlantic teams showning up.

U15's is a joke. Barely any college coaches show up. Why would you go to this especially having to go to Richmond on back to back weekends?

Bragging rights. You're right, there aren't a lot of coaches. You'd think it would be a big recruiting event but it is not. But if you win you get to say you are the best team in your age group.

That's a lot of money parents have been paying for "bragging rights". Smart move (a rarity for US Lacrosse) finally holding it in the mid-atlantic. Skywalkers and Capital/Stars may show since it's close and they've been there before. M&D's never shown interest, doubt they will start now.

Okay, let's have some fun. U15 this year is 2018. Who are top five favorites in this age group that could possibly win if they show up? Here's mine in no particular order...
M&D
Skywalkers
YJ Rose
Stars
Heros

I can assure you that you are wrong.

I agree I don't know where you get your predictions. But look at fall tournaments!!!!!!!! Your way off!!!!! You are going to be blindsided.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Okay, let's have some fun. U15 this year is 2018. Who are top five favorites in this age group that could possibly win if they show up? Here's mine in no particular order...
M&D
Skywalkers
YJ Rose
Stars
Heros

The best 2018's should be at Capital Cup, Champion's Cup, Lax 4 Cure, President's Cup, Rivalry, Mid-Atlantic..... Plenty of chances to go head-to-head at full strength and in front of college coaches. By this time next year, should be no secret who's on top, no need to waste time and money on poorly attended U15.

Until this year, top 2017's rarely met but finally tangled week in, week out and it was YJ, Capital, M&D, Skywalkers, Lady Roc and Steps NJ. Big step down to the next tier IMO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree I don't know where you get your predictions. But look at fall tournaments!!!!!!!! Your way off!!!!! You are going to be blindsided.

Blindsided by who? Is there a team that has beating the known top contenders in tournaments? We are looking to expand the list, so who are you talking about?

You wouldn't know because the tg's are at half of the fall tournaments. The teams mentioned above are not a threat to other Long Island teams. I will definately give you YJ Rose. They are the ones to beat. There is extreme talent on that team. But, lacrosse still continues beyond YJ Rose. They are in a class by themselves as far as I am concerned. I watched other great teams play including Liberty and Elevate. I was shocked by the level of talent that I saw. I actually complimented two Elevate teams on the aggression and skill level that they have.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You wouldn't know because the tg's are at half of the fall tournaments. The teams mentioned above are not a threat to other Long Island teams. I will definately give you YJ Rose. They are the ones to beat. There is extreme talent on that team. But, lacrosse still continues beyond YJ Rose. They are in a class by themselves as far as I am concerned. I watched other great teams play including Liberty and Elevate. I was shocked by the level of talent that I saw. I actually complimented two Elevate teams on the aggression and skill level that they have.

Which "teams above" are not a threat to other LI teams? Liberty and Elevate are "Great Teams" really??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You wouldn't know because the tg's are at half of the fall tournaments. The teams mentioned above are not a threat to other Long Island teams. I will definately give you YJ Rose. They are the ones to beat. There is extreme talent on that team. But, lacrosse still continues beyond YJ Rose. They are in a class by themselves as far as I am concerned. I watched other great teams play including Liberty and Elevate. I was shocked by the level of talent that I saw. I actually complimented two Elevate teams on the aggression and skill level that they have.

Which "teams above" are not a threat to other LI teams? Liberty and Elevate are "Great Teams" really??

My daughter coaches in this age bracket (her team is not one of those mentioned as one of the top teams) so I get to see a lot of the teams mentioned. I saw Elevate in Massachusetts this summer. I was impressed they have a great goalie a strong and fast defense and they constantly pressure the ball when redefending.

Absolutely watched tg teams play and there is no comparison to tg teams. Elevate and Liberty are by far better teams. Sorry!!! If you were at the fall tournaments you would have seen. Yj are excluded they are not even in the same ball park. But tg is not a threat to long island. bye now

[quote=Anonymous]Absolutely watched tg teams play and there is no comparison to tg teams. Elevate and Liberty are by far better teams. Sorry!!! If you were at the fall tournaments you would have seen. Yj are excluded they are not even in the same ball park. But tg is not a threat to long island. bye now

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Can I get some of what your drinking ?

Take your blinders off!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Absolutely watched tg teams play and there is no comparison to tg teams. Elevate and Liberty are by far better teams. Sorry!!! If you were at the fall tournaments you would have seen. Yj are excluded they are not even in the same ball park. But tg is not a threat to long island. bye now

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Can I get some of what your drinking ?

2018 is a off year for LI teams, other regions teams are ahead in this age group by a wide margin. All LI teams except YJ.

Like stated above. Look at individual fall tournaments stats. You are in denial about your organization. See you won in each bracket. You have no idea what you are talking about.

How are the Sunday practices going for all age groups? Now that the first session is almost over, I hear you really get a grasp of the talent and ones without. I hear some girls are still struggling with the basic 3 man weave and other basic drills and some have no athleticism at all. some girls from different teams are double rostered on TG and YJ at this point if I was BS I would cut those that are also on YJ rosters loose and send them on their way. If not happy where you placed on TG then go be happier elsewhere. I was amused to see one on 2020 second team that was bold enough to go tryout for YJ and got placed on the 4th team at YJ. Whomp whomp.. How do the parents pick their face up of the floor from that one? and how do they go back to TG tryouts this summer knowing they took such a gamble and failed badly. Why should the Smith's keep you on the 2nd team if you placed on 4th on YJ..LOL!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How are the Sunday practices going for all age groups? Now that the first session is almost over, I hear you really get a grasp of the talent and ones without. I hear some girls are still struggling with the basic 3 man weave and other basic drills and some have no athleticism at all. some girls from different teams are double rostered on TG and YJ at this point if I was BS I would cut those that are also on YJ rosters loose and send them on their way. If not happy where you placed on TG then go be happier elsewhere. I was amused to see one on 2020 second team that was bold enough to go tryout for YJ and got placed on the 4th team at YJ. Whomp whomp.. How do the parents pick their face up of the floor from that one? and how do they go back to TG tryouts this summer knowing they took such a gamble and failed badly. Why should the Smith's keep you on the 2nd team if you placed on 4th on YJ..LOL!

Ok [lacrosse], you hear or you are/were there? Just trying to stir the pot. What's a matter your significant other (if they hadn't already left you) is out for happy hour with "co-workers" and you are just angry and wanted to start some crap.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How are the Sunday practices going for all age groups? Now that the first session is almost over, I hear you really get a grasp of the talent and ones without. I hear some girls are still struggling with the basic 3 man weave and other basic drills and some have no athleticism at all. some girls from different teams are double rostered on TG and YJ at this point if I was BS I would cut those that are also on YJ rosters loose and send them on their way. If not happy where you placed on TG then go be happier elsewhere. I was amused to see one on 2020 second team that was bold enough to go tryout for YJ and got placed on the 4th team at YJ. Whomp whomp.. How do the parents pick their face up of the floor from that one? and how do they go back to TG tryouts this summer knowing they took such a gamble and failed badly. Why should the Smith's keep you on the 2nd team if you placed on 4th on YJ..LOL!

Not on TG, but I'm not surprised by a post like this from a lovely YJ disciple. You people are really sick and demented. You people really need to get a life. You are everything that is wrong with youth sports. I only hope your daughter does not grow up to be anything like you.

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Not on TG, but I'm not surprised by a post like this from a lovely YJ disciple. You people are really sick and demented. You people really need to get a life. You are everything that is wrong with youth sports. I only hope your daughter does not grow up to be anything like you.

That YJ parent better hope their daughter doesn't grow up to look like Carol Rose

She is a very poor example fitness and she is the high school gym teacher!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How are the Sunday practices going for all age groups? Now that the first session is almost over, I hear you really get a grasp of the talent and ones without. I hear some girls are still struggling with the basic 3 man weave and other basic drills and some have no athleticism at all. some girls from different teams are double rostered on TG and YJ at this point if I was BS I would cut those that are also on YJ rosters loose and send them on their way. If not happy where you placed on TG then go be happier elsewhere. I was amused to see one on 2020 second team that was bold enough to go tryout for YJ and got placed on the 4th team at YJ. Whomp whomp.. How do the parents pick their face up of the floor from that one? and how do they go back to TG tryouts this summer knowing they took such a gamble and failed badly. Why should the Smith's keep you on the 2nd team if you placed on 4th on YJ..LOL!

Because it is an equal swap and a hard decision, Whatever numerical TG team you are offered, add 1 or 2 for the YJ equivalent. Example , if you are offered a spot on TG 2nd team it is equivalent to the 3 rd 4 th team YJ. Several years ago I thought and hoped TG was going to go toe to toe with YJ, but as I watch it develope I think that may never happen. Started off strong, but definitely TGs is losing steam.

There not loosing steam! They have lost all steam!!!!!

If bs gets rid of those players he'd really have no teams. All the two timers are clearly staying on tg's. We are stuck with them. Winter is a joke. No one is getting any better. The strong stay strong the weak are showing their weaknesses.

"Loosing". Stay in school kids.

This happens all the time! Every now and then a program has a strong top team who can beat the YJ second team but not the top Blue team . Parents get their hopes up that the take over has begun but NOOOO. The YJ program is there every year. There are strong players in every program but it is a team game. Girls play for all reasons, there is no pro lacrosse for girls. Pick a program that works for you , MOSTLY your daughter that is there and not getting into trouble! Stop trying to be the YJs and just be who you are girls from all programs go to college and keep playing!
Most of all let your daughter have fun playing the game.
I have a few daughters that have played and it is about them and they give up a lot of time as do you but it was FUN.

No one should assume that one Sunday morning practice is going to get their daughter better. If you want to see improvements: go to the wall, meet up with other lax players and work-out, have your stick in your hand everyday, inside or outside, run, do strength training, ect. It's the player's/parents responsibility to get better, not soley TGs responsibility (or any other club for that matter). Think about your team: the top players do these types of things ALL the time, hence why they continue to improve. It's due to hard work not luck. It's usually pretty clear who does and doesn't work hard on their own.

Llike your way of thinking but that's not going to help out the TEAM in the summer when you go to tournaments. Good luck, sounds like your going to need it!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Llike your way of thinking but that's not going to help out the TEAM in the summer when you go to tournaments. Good luck, sounds like your going to need it!!!!

You're correct. However, if all the girls did this- strongest to weakest - it could only help the team in the long run. It couldn't hurt if everyone became a stronger lax player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Llike your way of thinking but that's not going to help out the TEAM in the summer when you go to tournaments. Good luck, sounds like your going to need it!!!!

You're correct. However, if all the girls did this- strongest to weakest - it could only help the team in the long run. It couldn't hurt if everyone became a stronger lax player.

And with 27 girls on a roster they will need all the help they can get

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

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Not on TG, but I'm not surprised by a post like this from a lovely YJ disciple. You people are really sick and demented. You people really need to get a life. You are everything that is wrong with youth sports. I only hope your daughter does not grow up to be anything like you.

That YJ parent better hope their daughter doesn't grow up to look like Carol Rose

She is a very poor example fitness and she is the high school gym teacher!!

Middle School Gym Teacher (nota big difference), and she also runs her business during school hours. Someone should investigate her. My daughter says she is on her phone or in her office on her computer when she should be teaching class. The girls can clearly see that she is working on her site.

Sorry I have to agree. I was on another club for three years and all I heard was "how hard the TG teams practiced" and it was said you had to be tough to be there. The practices were a JOKE. My daughter had better workouts at the clinics she attended. Forget about SS she was on her phone 98% of the time taking care of business for the college. The coaches socialized on the side. What a ripoff. TG was horrible with organization, team spirit, communication. My daughter learned absolutely nothing there except adults can be two faced and bad coaches!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry I have to agree. I was on another club for three years and all I heard was "how hard the TG teams practiced" and it was said you had to be tough to be there. The practices were a JOKE. My daughter had better workouts at the clinics she attended. Forget about SS she was on her phone 98% of the time taking care of business for the college. The coaches socialized on the side. What a ripoff. TG was horrible with organization, team spirit, communication. My daughter learned absolutely nothing there except adults can be two faced and bad coaches!

You won't be missed!

Sorry your daughter didn't play.you should practice with her more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry I have to agree. I was on another club for three years and all I heard was "how hard the TG teams practiced" and it was said you had to be tough to be there. The practices were a JOKE. My daughter had better workouts at the clinics she attended. Forget about SS she was on her phone 98% of the time taking care of business for the college. The coaches socialized on the side. What a ripoff. TG was horrible with organization, team spirit, communication. My daughter learned absolutely nothing there except adults can be two faced and bad coaches!

Coaches? You had coaches?

Tg's is the most unprofessional organization Statewide. I'm so glad people are starting to catch on because the low lives on this thread will eat you up and spit you out. They think because their daughter is on top guns they should be proud. I'm sctually embarrassed for each and everyone of you. If you only knew what it was like at a REAL organization you would never go back. But you won't because your too proud because your daughter somehow leaped into the black team and you think your KING. God your so mistaken.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

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Not on TG, but I'm not surprised by a post like this from a lovely YJ disciple. You people are really sick and demented. You people really need to get a life. You are everything that is wrong with youth sports. I only hope your daughter does not grow up to be anything like you.

That YJ parent better hope their daughter doesn't grow up to look like Carol Rose

She is a very poor example fitness and she is the high school gym teacher!!

Middle School Gym Teacher (nota big difference), and she also runs her business during school hours. Someone should investigate her. My daughter says she is on her phone or in her office on her computer when she should be teaching class. The girls can clearly see that she is working on her site.

I am speechless to read that a low life would get on here and make fun of carol rose and how she is a poor example of fitness!!!!!! REALLY????? LOOK IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD. You have someone running an organization (he's in good shape). And we've already established that SS does the bare minimum. Seriously buddy seek professional help. Your a certified nut job!!! There's no comparison is any respect . Please grow up!!!!!!!!!! They have discount family counseling at stony brook university.

Why does everyone have to be such bullies. Just be happy whichever club you decided to have your child on. Everyone seems so angry. Your talking about young girls. Grow up!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

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Not on TG, but I'm not surprised by a post like this from a lovely YJ disciple. You people are really sick and demented. You people really need to get a life. You are everything that is wrong with youth sports. I only hope your daughter does not grow up to be anything like you.

That YJ parent better hope their daughter doesn't grow up to look like Carol Rose

She is a very poor example fitness and she is the high school gym teacher!!

Middle School Gym Teacher (nota big difference), and she also runs her business during school hours. Someone should investigate her. My daughter says she is on her phone or in her office on her computer when she should be teaching class. The girls can clearly see that she is working on her site.

I am speechless to read that a low life would get on here and make fun of carol rose and how she is a poor example of fitness!!!!!! REALLY????? LOOK IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD. You have someone running an organization (he's in good shape). And we've already established that SS does the bare minimum. Seriously buddy seek professional help. Your a certified nut job!!! There's no comparison is any respect . Please grow up!!!!!!!!!! They have discount family counseling at stony brook university.

I think it was the esteemed Larry Miller (moderator/owner? of BOTC) who made the post regarding her lack of fitness. I do not believe he has a child in the Top GUns organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

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Not on TG, but I'm not surprised by a post like this from a lovely YJ disciple. You people are really sick and demented. You people really need to get a life. You are everything that is wrong with youth sports. I only hope your daughter does not grow up to be anything like you.

That YJ parent better hope their daughter doesn't grow up to look like Carol Rose

She is a very poor example fitness and she is the high school gym teacher!!

Middle School Gym Teacher (nota big difference), and she also runs her business during school hours. Someone should investigate her. My daughter says she is on her phone or in her office on her computer when she should be teaching class. The girls can clearly see that she is working on her site.

I am speechless to read that a low life would get on here and make fun of carol rose and how she is a poor example of fitness!!!!!! REALLY????? LOOK IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD. You have someone running an organization (he's in good shape). And we've already established that SS does the bare minimum. Seriously buddy seek professional help. Your a certified nut job!!! There's no comparison is any respect . Please grow up!!!!!!!!!! They have discount family counseling at stony brook university.

I dont think we have established that SS does the bare minimum. SO maybe you should continue the discounted family counseling (actually personal counseling would be the type of treatment in this case, but your an idiot and wouldn't know the difference). DId the school social worker suggest that you seek counseling at Stony Brook for your disfunctional family? Is this the guy whose wife left him??

No I am actually a physician there and one of my peers specializes in family counseling. You woud definately be eligible for treatment as well as your family. I don't care who you are you are a sick person.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

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Not on TG, but I'm not surprised by a post like this from a lovely YJ disciple. You people are really sick and demented. You people really need to get a life. You are everything that is wrong with youth sports. I only hope your daughter does not grow up to be anything like you.

That YJ parent better hope their daughter doesn't grow up to look like Carol Rose

She is a very poor example fitness and she is the high school gym teacher!!

Middle School Gym Teacher (nota big difference), and she also runs her business during school hours. Someone should investigate her. My daughter says she is on her phone or in her office on her computer when she should be teaching class. The girls can clearly see that she is working on her site.

I am speechless to read that a low life would get on here and make fun of carol rose and how she is a poor example of fitness!!!!!! REALLY????? LOOK IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD. You have someone running an organization (he's in good shape). And we've already established that SS does the bare minimum. Seriously buddy seek professional help. Your a certified nut job!!! There's no comparison is any respect . Please grow up!!!!!!!!!! They have discount family counseling at stony brook university.

I dont think we have established that SS does the bare minimum. SO maybe you should continue the discounted family counseling (actually personal counseling would be the type of treatment in this case, but your an idiot and wouldn't know the difference). DId the school social worker suggest that you seek counseling at Stony Brook for your disfunctional family? Is this the guy whose wife left him??

my daughter plays for top gun and I have had an opportunity to speak with Shannon several times. She has been very helpful and very insightful. She has definitely been more hands on this year. Much better than being part of a large political organization where your zip code determines your position.

"That YJ parent better hope their daughter doesn't grow up to look like Carol Rose "

Just plain mean...proud of yourself? Hope the children in your life don't grow up to think like you...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"That YJ parent better hope their daughter doesn't grow up to look like Carol Rose "

Just plain mean...proud of yourself? Hope the children in your life don't grow up to think like you...

But really, would you want your daughter to be 70 lbs overweight. It was said in a mean spirit, but the truth is none of us would want our daughter to be as overweight as CR, and would hope that they would appear more feminine than CR. That doesn't mean that we wouldn't accept them if they were overweight and built and dressed masculine, it's that you don't start out hoping your daughter looks that way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"That YJ parent better hope their daughter doesn't grow up to look like Carol Rose "

Just plain mean...proud of yourself? Hope the children in your life don't grow up to think like you...

Mean? Not at all. Truthful and to the point. Carol Rose is a gym teacher and she should look like one, and be fit and able to participate in all the activities she has her students do. She should be a role model for health, nutrition, and taking care of ones body.

Perhaps you find her a role model for your daughter, but she would not be for my daughter.

Thank God another sane parent.

Either will you!

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"That YJ parent better hope their daughter doesn't grow up to look like Carol Rose "

Just plain mean...proud of yourself? Hope the children in your life don't grow up to think like you...

Mean? Not at all. Truthful and to the point. Carol Rose is a gym teacher and she should look like one, and be fit and able to participate in all the activities she has her students do. She should be a role model for health, nutrition, and taking care of ones body.

Perhaps you find her a role model for your daughter, but she would not be for my daughter.

While your statement may be true, it served absolutely no purpose so it was mean. Any attempt to portray it otherwise is dishonest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"That YJ parent better hope their daughter doesn't grow up to look like Carol Rose "

Just plain mean...proud of yourself? Hope the children in your life don't grow up to think like you...

Mean? Not at all. Truthful and to the point. Carol Rose is a gym teacher and she should look like one, and be fit and able to participate in all the activities she has her students do. She should be a role model for health, nutrition, and taking care of ones body.

Perhaps you find her a role model for your daughter, but she would not be for my daughter.

While your statement may be true, it served absolutely no purpose so it was mean. Any attempt to portray it otherwise is dishonest.

Perhaps if Carol Rose was nicer and didn't think her [lacrosse] doesn't smell, then I might not have posted by truthful comments and opinions.

Carol Rose thinks who she is and seems to intimidate most, if not all of you. Her arrogance and intimidation did not work with me....so the next time she wants to shove her weight around she should try it on you, as you seem to have your head under her dress. To me, she is simply piece of [lacrosse] who is using the school system and tenure to cover her running a profitable business and there is nothing the district or you can do about it.

Do you think if she had a job without tenure she would still be employed?

Like I said, the woman needs a serious exercise program

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"That YJ parent better hope their daughter doesn't grow up to look like Carol Rose "

Just plain mean...proud of yourself? Hope the children in your life don't grow up to think like you...

Mean? Not at all. Truthful and to the point. Carol Rose is a gym teacher and she should look like one, and be fit and able to participate in all the activities she has her students do. She should be a role model for health, nutrition, and taking care of ones body.

Perhaps you find her a role model for your daughter, but she would not be for my daughter.

While your statement may be true, it served absolutely no purpose so it was mean. Any attempt to portray it otherwise is dishonest.

Perhaps if Carol Rose was nicer and didn't think her [lacrosse] doesn't smell, then I might not have posted by truthful comments and opinions.

Carol Rose thinks who she is and seems to intimidate most, if not all of you. Her arrogance and intimidation did not work with me....so the next time she wants to shove her weight around she should try it on you, as you seem to have your head under her dress. To me, she is simply piece of [lacrosse] who is using the school system and tenure to cover her running a profitable business and there is nothing the district or you can do about it.

Do you think if she had a job without tenure she would still be employed?

Like I said, the woman needs a serious exercise program

I can't for the life of me understand how we are so at odds

The TopGun thread is talking about Carol and the YJ thread is all about Team Elevate... what gives?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The TopGun thread is talking about Carol and the YJ thread is all about Team Elevate... what gives?

I don't know but what Larry said was pretty funny. First time I met Carol, I thought she was the professional wrestler, Dusty Rhodes!

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The TopGun thread is talking about Carol and the YJ thread is all about Team Elevate... what gives?

I don't know but what Larry said was pretty funny. First time I met Carol, I thought she was the professional wrestler, Dusty Rhodes!

Wow, you are right. I knew she looked familiar!

You should all be very proud of yourselves, I find it cowardly and disgusting when you have grown men picking on a women or a child in regards to their looks. I find this especially true when you have young girls reading this site. You guys should definitely post pictures of your wives ,daughters, and mothers so we can all see what all women should look like.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You should all be very proud of yourselves, I find it cowardly and disgusting when you have grown men picking on a women or a child in regards to their looks. I find this especially true when you have young girls reading this site. You guys should definitely post pictures of your wives ,daughters, and mothers so we can all see what all women should look like.

You have missed the point, totally. Aside from the fact that Carol Rose has no problem trying to dominate and shove her weight around with people.

With so much emphasis in this country rightly put on health and obesity it is criminal to have as a role model a gym teacher who is totally out of shape and doesn't appear like she can do any of the exercises she has her students do.

Sorry, but if she wasn't tenured she would be working in the Northport School District.

If you feel that Carol Rose deserves better why not send her a gift certificate from McDonalds?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The TopGun thread is talking about Carol and the YJ thread is all about Team Elevate... what gives?

How come there are NO TG players attending the Elite 120 this weekend. I see a lot of kids from YJ, Elevate, Liberty, etc but not one TG girl. Great recruiting event.

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You should all be very proud of yourselves, I find it cowardly and disgusting when you have grown men picking on a women or a child in regards to their looks. I find this especially true when you have young girls reading this site. You guys should definitely post pictures of your wives ,daughters, and mothers so we can all see what all women should look like.

You have missed the point, totally. Aside from the fact that Carol Rose has no problem trying to dominate and shove her weight around with people.

With so much emphasis in this country rightly put on health and obesity it is criminal to have as a role model a gym teacher who is totally out of shape and doesn't appear like she can do any of the exercises she has her students do.

Sorry, but if she wasn't tenured she would be working in the Northport School District.

If you feel that Carol Rose deserves better why not send her a gift certificate from McDonalds?

Criminal?

Yes, can anyone answer that? Has Topgun ever gone before?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You should all be very proud of yourselves, I find it cowardly and disgusting when you have grown men picking on a women or a child in regards to their looks. I find this especially true when you have young girls reading this site. You guys should definitely post pictures of your wives ,daughters, and mothers so we can all see what all women should look like.

You have missed the point, totally. Aside from the fact that Carol Rose has no problem trying to dominate and shove her weight around with people.

With so much emphasis in this country rightly put on health and obesity it is criminal to have as a role model a gym teacher who is totally out of shape and doesn't appear like she can do any of the exercises she has her students do.

Sorry, but if she wasn't tenured she would be working in the Northport School District.

If you feel that Carol Rose deserves better why not send her a gift certificate from McDonalds?

Criminal?

I know that you noticed the word was in italics, didn't you? And, yes. A gym teacher whose physique matches Carol Rose's is criminal!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, can anyone answer that? Has Topgun ever gone before?

Yes, my daughter and 1 other were there last year..I emailed the ournamnet direcectoer and received an application and the asked BS/SS for a reccomendation and received an invite.you need to get this done earlier in the year like august/sept... it is a good event

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You should all be very proud of yourselves, I find it cowardly and disgusting when you have grown men picking on a women or a child in regards to their looks. I find this especially true when you have young girls reading this site. You guys should definitely post pictures of your wives ,daughters, and mothers so we can all see what all women should look like.

You have missed the point, totally. Aside from the fact that Carol Rose has no problem trying to dominate and shove her weight around with people.

With so much emphasis in this country rightly put on health and obesity it is criminal to have as a role model a gym teacher who is totally out of shape and doesn't appear like she can do any of the exercises she has her students do.

Sorry, but if she wasn't tenured she would be working in the Northport School District.

If you feel that Carol Rose deserves better why not send her a gift certificate from McDonalds?

Criminal?

Obviously obsessed with Carol, I'd just let it go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You should all be very proud of yourselves, I find it cowardly and disgusting when you have grown men picking on a women or a child in regards to their looks. I find this especially true when you have young girls reading this site. You guys should definitely post pictures of your wives ,daughters, and mothers so we can all see what all women should look like.

You have missed the point, totally. Aside from the fact that Carol Rose has no problem trying to dominate and shove her weight around with people.

With so much emphasis in this country rightly put on health and obesity it is criminal to have as a role model a gym teacher who is totally out of shape and doesn't appear like she can do any of the exercises she has her students do.

Sorry, but if she wasn't tenured she would be working in the Northport School District.

If you feel that Carol Rose deserves better why not send her a gift certificate from McDonalds?

Criminal?

Probably not. Carol thought she was going to throw her weight around and teach me who was boss. Clearly, that was a serious error on her part.

Obviously obsessed with Carol, I'd just let it go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, can anyone answer that? Has Topgun ever gone before?

The format of this is half speed and agility combine, half game play. The girl who posted the best combine score last year was a TG girl. She was probably hip to the event because she was a former YJ player, and in the know. I don't care what anyone has to say, the lacrosse opportunities, exposure, knowledge, connections, etc....., is way better at YJ than TG. That being said, it is not the right fit for everyone and TG's works for many, you just need to more self motivated in training and creating opportunities. I am surprised no TG at Nike elite, it seems to be a recruiting hot spot.

Carol Rose is in shape........ round is a shape

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Carol Rose is in shape........ round is a shape

Actually "round" is an adjective. As far as I know, all shapes are nouns.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Carol Rose is in shape........ round is a shape

Actually "round" is an adjective. As far as I know, all shapes are nouns.

Are you F@&*in kidding me

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, can anyone answer that? Has Topgun ever gone before?

The format of this is half speed and agility combine, half game play. The girl who posted the best combine score last year was a TG girl. She was probably hip to the event because she was a former YJ player, and in the know. I don't care what anyone has to say, the lacrosse opportunities, exposure, knowledge, connections, etc....., is way better at YJ than TG. That being said, it is not the right fit for everyone and TG's works for many, you just need to more self motivated in training and creating opportunities. I am surprised no TG at Nike elite, it seems to be a recruiting hot spot.

Nt sure why this is skipped

Hopefully TG will get into this one next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my daughter plays for top gun and I have had an opportunity to speak with Shannon several times. She has been very helpful and very insightful. She has definitely been more hands on this year. Much better than being part of a large political organization where your zip code determines your position.

This is our 4th year and shannon's more involved this winter than past years. Her and bill always helpful and approachable. They were a big help getting our daughter recruited and she's on 2016 purple. I don't think you know who would even know my girl if she was on YJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, can anyone answer that? Has Topgun ever gone before?

The format of this is half speed and agility combine, half game play. The girl who posted the best combine score last year was a TG girl. She was probably hip to the event because she was a former YJ player, and in the know. I don't care what anyone has to say, the lacrosse opportunities, exposure, knowledge, connections, etc....., is way better at YJ than TG. That being said, it is not the right fit for everyone and TG's works for many, you just need to more self motivated in training and creating opportunities. I am surprised no TG at Nike elite, it seems to be a recruiting hot spot.

Nt sure why this is skipped

Steps NJ runs the elite 120...they also run Lax for the Cure tourney every summer in NJ....Top guns does not attend that tourney and I could be wrong, but I believe that is were players are seen and invitations for elite 120 are mostly generated from....Lax for the cure is a great championship tourney, lots of coaches at the recruiting ages and it is also a charity tournament...the kids fundraise, there are prizes for top fundraisers...the girls wear as much pink as they can, pinnies, socks, etc. (team prizes for best pink uniforms). One of my favorite tourney's every year...YJ sends first two teams and our kids are getting those elite 120 invites...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, can anyone answer that? Has Topgun ever gone before?

The format of this is half speed and agility combine, half game play. The girl who posted the best combine score last year was a TG girl. She was probably hip to the event because she was a former YJ player, and in the know. I don't care what anyone has to say, the lacrosse opportunities, exposure, knowledge, connections, etc....., is way better at YJ than TG. That being said, it is not the right fit for everyone and TG's works for many, you just need to more self motivated in training and creating opportunities. I am surprised no TG at Nike elite, it seems to be a recruiting hot spot.

Nt sure why this is skipped

Steps NJ runs the elite 120...they also run Lax for the Cure tourney every summer in NJ....Top guns does not attend that tourney and I could be wrong, but I believe that is were players are seen and invitations for elite 120 are mostly generated from....Lax for the cure is a great championship tourney, lots of coaches at the recruiting ages and it is also a charity tournament...the kids fundraise, there are prizes for top fundraisers...the girls wear as much pink as they can, pinnies, socks, etc. (team prizes for best pink uniforms). One of my favorite tourney's every year...YJ sends first two teams and our kids are getting those elite 120 invites...

Carol is friends with the Shoulberg's, and supports many of their tournaments. Maybe that is a reason why YJ is so well represented. If you are on a YJ mailing list you will probably realize to are getting spam mail for clinics from Steps Elite club. That is because CR either gave or sold her YJ emails to them.

So how many girls are double rostered? YJ and TG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how many girls are double rostered? YJ and TG

None

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how many girls are double rostered? YJ and TG

None

Not true. There are a few.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, can anyone answer that? Has Topgun ever gone before?

The format of this is half speed and agility combine, half game play. The girl who posted the best combine score last year was a TG girl. She was probably hip to the event because she was a former YJ player, and in the know. I don't care what anyone has to say, the lacrosse opportunities, exposure, knowledge, connections, etc....., is way better at YJ than TG. That being said, it is not the right fit for everyone and TG's works for many, you just need to more self motivated in training and creating opportunities. I am surprised no TG at Nike elite, it seems to be a recruiting hot spot.

Nt sure why this is skipped

Steps NJ runs the elite 120...they also run Lax for the Cure tourney every summer in NJ....Top guns does not attend that tourney and I could be wrong, but I believe that is were players are seen and invitations for elite 120 are mostly generated from....Lax for the cure is a great championship tourney, lots of coaches at the recruiting ages and it is also a charity tournament...the kids fundraise, there are prizes for top fundraisers...the girls wear as much pink as they can, pinnies, socks, etc. (team prizes for best pink uniforms). One of my favorite tourney's every year...YJ sends first two teams and our kids are getting those elite 120 invites...

Carol is friends with the Shoulberg's, and supports many of their tournaments. Maybe that is a reason why YJ is so well represented. If you are on a YJ mailing list you will probably realize to are getting spam mail for clinics from Steps Elite club. That is because CR either gave or sold her YJ emails to them.

Traci Weiner is a coach for Elite 120.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, can anyone answer that? Has Topgun ever gone before?

The format of this is half speed and agility combine, half game play. The girl who posted the best combine score last year was a TG girl. She was probably hip to the event because she was a former YJ player, and in the know. I don't care what anyone has to say, the lacrosse opportunities, exposure, knowledge, connections, etc....., is way better at YJ than TG. That being said, it is not the right fit for everyone and TG's works for many, you just need to more self motivated in training and creating opportunities. I am surprised no TG at Nike elite, it seems to be a recruiting hot spot.

Nt sure why this is skipped

Steps NJ runs the elite 120...they also run Lax for the Cure tourney every summer in NJ....Top guns does not attend that tourney and I could be wrong, but I believe that is were players are seen and invitations for elite 120 are mostly generated from....Lax for the cure is a great championship tourney, lots of coaches at the recruiting ages and it is also a charity tournament...the kids fundraise, there are prizes for top fundraisers...the girls wear as much pink as they can, pinnies, socks, etc. (team prizes for best pink uniforms). One of my favorite tourney's every year...YJ sends first two teams and our kids are getting those elite 120 invites...

Carol is friends with the Shoulberg's, and supports many of their tournaments. Maybe that is a reason why YJ is so well represented. If you are on a YJ mailing list you will probably realize to are getting spam mail for clinics from Steps Elite club. That is because CR either gave or sold her YJ emails to them.

Traci Weiner is a coach for Elite 120.

Traci Weiner is awesome! Very fair picking out talent for the Long Island All Americans and does not discriminate based of what club you play for. Would love to have a drink with her as she is always smiling and so proud of her girls. Hope she gets to announce one of my daughters games for verizon this season!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Steps NJ runs the elite 120...they also run Lax for the Cure tourney every summer in NJ....Top guns does not attend that tourney and I could be wrong, but I believe that is were players are seen and invitations for elite 120 are mostly generated from....Lax for the cure is a great championship tourney, lots of coaches at the recruiting ages and it is also a charity tournament...the kids fundraise, there are prizes for top fundraisers...the girls wear as much pink as they can, pinnies, socks, etc. (team prizes for best pink uniforms). One of my favorite tourney's every year...YJ sends first two teams and our kids are getting those elite 120 invites...

Carol is friends with the Shoulberg's, and supports many of their tournaments. Maybe that is a reason why YJ is so well represented. If you are on a YJ mailing list you will probably realize to are getting spam mail for clinics from Steps Elite club. That is because CR either gave or sold her YJ emails to them. [/quote]

Traci Weiner is a coach for Elite 120. [/quote]

Traci Weiner is awesome! Very fair picking out talent for the Long Island All Americans and does not discriminate based of what club you play for. Would love to have a drink with her as she is always smiling and so proud of her girls. Hope she gets to announce one of my daughters games for verizon this season! [/quote]

This is hilarious!

Traci Weiner is a coach for Elite 120. [/quote]

Traci Weiner is awesome! Very fair picking out talent for the Long Island All Americans and does not discriminate based of what club you play for. Would love to have a drink with her as she is always smiling and so proud of her girls. Hope she gets to announce one of my daughters games for verizon this season! [/quote]

Fair? Explain how the third team YJ goalie is going to Elite 120 and not the goalies on the first 2 2018 teams or the other 2018's playing up on 2017 next summer. Why?...The third team goalie is a Farmingdale kid, that's why!

You are full of jealously. It's really mind blowing. Get a life. Stop trying to justify what every child does obviously they deserve to be there and your child does not. The end!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

[quote=Anonymous]So how many girls are double rostered? YJ and TG

None

Not true. There are a few.

What age group

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Traci Weiner is a coach for Elite 120.

Traci Weiner is awesome! Very fair picking out talent for the Long Island All Americans and does not discriminate based of what club you play for. Would love to have a drink with her as she is always smiling and so proud of her girls. Hope she gets to announce one of my daughters games for verizon this season! [/quote]

Fair? Explain how the third team YJ goalie is going to Elite 120 and not the goalies on the first 2 2018 teams or the other 2018's playing up on 2017 next summer. Why?...The third team goalie is a Farmingdale kid, that's why![/quote]

From what I have been told, Tracie is a wonderful person, who greatly excel if she was not under the dominance of Carol Rose.

She should go out on her own. BOTC would be more than happy to help her

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Traci Weiner is a coach for Elite 120.

Traci Weiner is awesome! Very fair picking out talent for the Long Island All Americans and does not discriminate based of what club you play for. Would love to have a drink with her as she is always smiling and so proud of her girls. Hope she gets to announce one of my daughters games for verizon this season!

Fair? Explain how the third team YJ goalie is going to Elite 120 and not the goalies on the first 2 2018 teams or the other 2018's playing up on 2017 next summer. Why?...The third team goalie is a Farmingdale kid, that's why![/quote]

From what I have been told, Tracie is a wonderful person, who greatly excel if she was not under the dominance of Carol Rose.

She should go out on her own. BOTC would be more than happy to help her

[/quote]

There are a few directors I wish would go out on their own if it means less politics I would follow.

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Traci Weiner is a coach for Elite 120.

Traci Weiner is awesome! Very fair picking out talent for the Long Island All Americans and does not discriminate based of what club you play for. Would love to have a drink with her as she is always smiling and so proud of her girls. Hope she gets to announce one of my daughters games for verizon this season!

Fair? Explain how the third team YJ goalie is going to Elite 120 and not the goalies on the first 2 2018 teams or the other 2018's playing up on 2017 next summer. Why?...The third team goalie is a Farmingdale kid, that's why![/quote]

From what I have been told, Tracie is a wonderful person, who greatly excel if she was not under the dominance of Carol Rose.

She should go out on her own. BOTC would be more than happy to help her

[/quote]

That would be awesome!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Traci Weiner is a coach for Elite 120.

Traci Weiner is awesome! Very fair picking out talent for the Long Island All Americans and does not discriminate based of what club you play for. Would love to have a drink with her as she is always smiling and so proud of her girls. Hope she gets to announce one of my daughters games for verizon this season!

Fair? Explain how the third team YJ goalie is going to Elite 120 and not the goalies on the first 2 2018 teams or the other 2018's playing up on 2017 next summer. Why?...The third team goalie is a Farmingdale kid, that's why!

From what I have been told, Tracie is a wonderful person, who greatly excel if she was not under the dominance of Carol Rose.

She should go out on her own. BOTC would be more than happy to help her

[/quote]

There are a few directors I wish would go out on their own if it means less politics I would follow. [/quote]

Because the 2018 goalie situation at TG is extremely political in house,

You people are such losers. You stay on a team that is by far one of the worst run organizations I have ever encountered. Politics Is not your problem it's TG's. Politics is the least of the problems that tg's has. You guys are so jealous of Yj and any other organization because your in denial about how bad it really is. Your a bunch of cowards. Year After year I hear all you jackasses say things about BS and SS and even worse the players and the parents. TRASH. Move on people, it doesn't get better and then your stuck putting all your confidence into two people that really don't give a """"" about anyone except for the almighty dollar. The grass is Definately greener.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You people are such losers. You stay on a team that is by far one of the worst run organizations I have ever encountered. Politics Is not your problem it's TG's. Politics is the least of the problems that tg's has. You guys are so jealous of Yj and any other organization because your in denial about how bad it really is. Your a bunch of cowards. Year After year I hear all you jackasses say things about BS and SS and even worse the players and the parents. TRASH. Move on people, it doesn't get better and then your stuck putting all your confidence into two people that really don't give a """"" about anyone except for the almighty dollar. The grass is Definately greener.

Oh thank you so much for enlightening us and helping all TG parents see the light. I'm sure your post will help many immediately jump ship. We're TRASH??? Now that's pot calling kettle black. Do you serious think CR cares about you?? If so, you need a serious reality check! Last time I checked it's not free to join YJ! Thanks for all your concern for us TG people but we're good!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

[quote=Anonymous]So how many girls are double rostered? YJ and TG

None

Not true. There are a few.

What age group

2017,2019, 2021,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You people are such losers. You stay on a team that is by far one of the worst run organizations I have ever encountered. Politics Is not your problem it's TG's. Politics is the least of the problems that tg's has. You guys are so jealous of Yj and any other organization because your in denial about how bad it really is. Your a bunch of cowards. Year After year I hear all you jackasses say things about BS and SS and even worse the players and the parents. TRASH. Move on people, it doesn't get better and then your stuck putting all your confidence into two people that really don't give a """"" about anyone except for the almighty dollar. The grass is Definately greener.

If you are so happy over at YJ, why don't you stay in their thread and defend and set those parents straight from that program with all the internal complaining and talking about each other on tat thread. Its the YJ way to attack each other so, I doubt the grass is greener, here there or anywhere. It is all about where you are the most comfortable (or least uncomfortable in some cases).

You obviously have a personal problem with the Smith's, were wronged by them, or felt wronged by them. But the way you come on here (from time to time you come one and post all this hate towards the Smith's) you would think that your spouse left you for one the Smith's. Let it go, TG is not going away, YJ will remain the same, nothing will change no matter what you post on here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You people are such losers. You stay on a team that is by far one of the worst run organizations I have ever encountered. Politics Is not your problem it's TG's. Politics is the least of the problems that tg's has. You guys are so jealous of Yj and any other organization because your in denial about how bad it really is. Your a bunch of cowards. Year After year I hear all you jackasses say things about BS and SS and even worse the players and the parents. TRASH. Move on people, it doesn't get better and then your stuck putting all your confidence into two people that really don't give a """"" about anyone except for the almighty dollar. The grass is Definately greener.

Here is the same quote but adapted to YJ. You see what you said about TG can be said for YJ, and some will agree and some disagree.

You people are such losers. You stay on a team that is by far one of the worst run organizations I have ever encountered. Politics Is not your problem it's YJ's. Politics is the least of the problems that tg's has. You guys are so jealous of TG/Elevate and any other organization because your in denial about how bad it really is. Your a bunch of cowards. Year After year I hear all you jackasses say things about CR and TW and even worse the players and the parents. TRASH. Move on people, it doesn't get better and then your stuck putting all your confidence into two people that really don't give a """"" about anyone except for the almighty dollar. The grass is Definately greener.

You know what happens when you assume? Misery loves company!!!! It fascinates everyone how you know EVERYTHING!! You know who I am, what team I play for and how goody daughter is. Tg's are just a low class organization. Case and point. This is not because I got burned. I don't even know the smiths, nor do I wish to. I just listen to a you blowhards. Please continue to read my palm. Very entertaining!!!

The reason why no tg girls were at Nike Elite is very clear.... Wake up!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The reason why no tg girls were at Nike Elite is very clear.... Wake up!!

please inform those of us who really don't know why.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You know what happens when you assume? Misery loves company!!!! It fascinates everyone how you know EVERYTHING!! You know who I am, what team I play for and how goody daughter is. Tg's are just a low class organization. Case and point. This is not because I got burned. I don't even know the smiths, nor do I wish to. I just listen to a you blowhards. Please continue to read my palm. Very entertaining!!!

Then to post all your hate because of what you read on this site? you are just a pure nut job stalker. Scary actually that you have a child. Hopefully your ex-wife's attorney put that your visitation with your kids are supervised. You have some deep seeded psychological issues.

PS - I have now idea who you are, but I am sure your wife left you and your daughter(s) probably are embarrassed by you.

Yep you got me!! I gotta go now I'm laughing so hard I can't breathe. You my friend need some meds.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The reason why no tg girls were at Nike Elite is very clear.... Wake up!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The reason why no tg girls were at Nike Elite is very clear.... Wake up!!

you guys need to figure out a way to get your best girls there. Great event again this year, loaded with top coaches from top schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You know what happens when you assume? Misery loves company!!!! It fascinates everyone how you know EVERYTHING!! You know who I am, what team I play for and how goody daughter is. Tg's are just a low class organization. Case and point. This is not because I got burned. I don't even know the smiths, nor do I wish to. I just listen to a you blowhards. Please continue to read my palm. Very entertaining!!!

What team YOU play for? That says a lot about you right there. You forgot who's actually playing the game. We have no idea who you are, so don't give yourself too much credit moron. If you were so high class you wouldn't be posting like that. You're the blowhard loser!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The reason why no tg girls were at Nike Elite is very clear.... Wake up!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The reason why no tg girls were at Nike Elite is very clear.... Wake up!!

you guys need to figure out a way to get your best girls there. Great event again this year, loaded with top coaches from top schools.

I just don't understand why TG girls are never notified of any of hese opportunities. While Elevate is over the top annoying with all of their emails at TG there is nothing. Sad for the girls.

Obviously tg girls aren't good enough.

Why would you think that elevate people find emails annoying. I Have a friend on elevate and does not find emails annoying. His daughter is over the moon with the opportunities that dk provides. You can't even compare to tg's. My daughter is actuay jealous. I wish I would have mAde a move a while ago but unfortunately my daughter is 2017 it's too late for me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you think that elevate people find emails annoying. I Have a friend on elevate and does not find emails annoying. His daughter is over the moon with the opportunities that dk provides. You can't even compare to tg's. My daughter is actuay jealous. I wish I would have mAde a move a while ago but unfortunately my daughter is 2017 it's too late for me.

Elevate is completely different than TG. They provide a lot of opportunities for their girls and over the last couple of years their communications to the teams have improved dramatically. It is a well run and well organized club and do a great job keeping everyone in the loop.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you think that elevate people find emails annoying. I Have a friend on elevate and does not find emails annoying. His daughter is over the moon with the opportunities that dk provides. You can't even compare to tg's. My daughter is actuay jealous. I wish I would have mAde a move a while ago but unfortunately my daughter is 2017 it's too late for me.

Elevate is completely different than TG. They provide a lot of opportunities for their girls and over the last couple of years their communications to the teams have improved dramatically. It is a well run and well organized club and do a great job keeping everyone in the loop.

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Just ask all the 2018 Elevates tat were left out a week ago.

Ok will do. Worry about your lack of opportunities. Stop comparing to EVERY other organization. You people always have someone or some other team to blame or compare tg's lack of everything to. Own it!!! Your on the team you obviously love it! Own it!! Stop comparing to Yj, elevate, steps, m&d, and every other teAms you compare yourselves to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok will do. Worry about your lack of opportunities. Stop comparing to EVERY other organization. You people always have someone or some other team to blame or compare tg's lack of everything to. Own it!!! Your on the team you obviously love it! Own it!! Stop comparing to Yj, elevate, steps, m&d, and every other teAms you compare yourselves to.

Nobody ever compares TG to elevate except elevate - move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok will do. Worry about your lack of opportunities. Stop comparing to EVERY other organization. You people always have someone or some other team to blame or compare tg's lack of everything to. Own it!!! Your on the team you obviously love it! Own it!! Stop comparing to Yj, elevate, steps, m&d, and every other teAms you compare yourselves to.

Nobody ever compares TG to elevate except elevate - move on

YJ parents compare TG to Elevate to [lacrosse] TG parents off.

You move on my literally speaking. The reason why your not invited to the nike elite is because there is nothing elite about TG!!!!!! You will never be anything like YG or Elevate. Both far superior. Bye now. Have a great season moving backwards.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You move on my literally speaking. The reason why your not invited to the nike elite is because there is nothing elite about TG!!!!!! You will never be anything like YG or Elevate. Both far superior. Bye now. Have a great season moving backwards.

It's your daughters play and grades that's going to get her into college. So stop pounding your chests about what club they play on and what recruiting tournament they went to. Please everyone just enjoy your daughter and SHUT THE F UP.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You move on my literally speaking. The reason why your not invited to the nike elite is because there is nothing elite about TG!!!!!! You will never be anything like YG or Elevate. Both far superior. Bye now. Have a great season moving backwards.

This is one small part of the recruiting process, by no means the be all. There are many other thing as good as if not better that the girls can do to get the attention of college coaches and coaches of the schools in which they are interested to go.

You are really a crazy person.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You move on my literally speaking. The reason why your not invited to the nike elite is because there is nothing elite about TG!!!!!! You will never be anything like YG or Elevate. Both far superior. Bye now. Have a great season moving backwards.

This is one small part of the recruiting process, by no means the be all. There are many other thing as good as if not better that the girls can do to get the attention of college coaches and coaches of the schools in which they are interested to go.

You are really a crazy person.

The crazy person is you who pays money to TG and they don't provide access to a great showcase like Elite 120 for your girls. You really need to ask yourself and your Club Directors some tough questions: Why were there ZERO TG girls at Elite 120 this past weekend? Why? Over 90+ schools were there - the best of the best. Yet ZERO girls from TG. Why is that?

Come up with any excuse you want, but TG is dropping the ball on stuff like this. If the event is "good enough" for Hofstra to attend to look at other recruits, why aren't any of your girls attending?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You move on my literally speaking. The reason why your not invited to the nike elite is because there is nothing elite about TG!!!!!! You will never be anything like YG or Elevate. Both far superior. Bye now. Have a great season moving backwards.

This is one small part of the recruiting process, by no means the be all. There are many other thing as good as if not better that the girls can do to get the attention of college coaches and coaches of the schools in which they are interested to go.

You are really a crazy person.

This is of course true that there are many other venues to be seen and Elite 120 is not the be all and end all. No question about it. However, it is a great event and has become the highest profile event for the best players in the winter time for freshman and sophmore girls and can only help. There were over 70 coaches there this year representing the large majority of the top programs. But agree, not critical if not there but nice if you were invited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You move on my literally speaking. The reason why your not invited to the nike elite is because there is nothing elite about TG!!!!!! You will never be anything like YG or Elevate. Both far superior. Bye now. Have a great season moving backwards.

That's not accurate but, unfortunately, it will be soon.

As the TG/Smith family moves away from being "current" with their (Shannon's) connections, they will get less and less of the top players from LI. They are going to have to change up the business model a bit it order to keep competing, (no college kids coaching as a start).

When TG started, they offered a viable alternative especially w/ their 2014/2015 and 2016 groups... by next year, those groups are a memory. Time to re-tool.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok will do. Worry about your lack of opportunities. Stop comparing to EVERY other organization. You people always have someone or some other team to blame or compare tg's lack of everything to. Own it!!! Your on the team you obviously love it! Own it!! Stop comparing to Yj, elevate, steps, m&d, and every other teAms you compare yourselves to.

Comparing TG and Elevate to each other is about right, all the other teams you mentioned are all a step above. M&D, Steps , YJ are all next level.

I don't think so unfortunately. I think they are all a step ahead in all aspects. Sorry. Elevate doesn't even play in some of the non beneficial tournaments. They unfortunately are s step ahead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You move on my literally speaking. The reason why your not invited to the nike elite is because there is nothing elite about TG!!!!!! You will never be anything like YG or Elevate. Both far superior. Bye now. Have a great season moving backwards.

This is one small part of the recruiting process, by no means the be all. There are many other thing as good as if not better that the girls can do to get the attention of college coaches and coaches of the schools in which they are interested to go.

You are really a crazy person.

The crazy person is you who pays money to TG and they don't provide access to a great showcase like Elite 120 for your girls. You really need to ask yourself and your Club Directors some tough questions: Why were there ZERO TG girls at Elite 120 this past weekend? Why? Over 90+ schools were there - the best of the best. Yet ZERO girls from TG. Why is that?

Come up with any excuse you want, but TG is dropping the ball on stuff like this. If the event is "good enough" for Hofstra to attend to look at other recruits, why aren't any of your girls attending?

Blah Blah Blah. How is the 3rd team YJ working for you.

How old are you 5? Blah blah. You deserve what you get which is nothing. Your in denial. Feel sorry for you truly I do.

Can't forget about the HOFSTRA tourney. Now that's fun day of lax playing. That is the biggest [lacrosse] show I've ever seen. Let's have our teams play eAchother and make sure the black beats purple and purple destroys white!! Great idea. Can't wait for some positive input on this!! Tick tock.

From Elevate 2018 blue- the emails ARE annoying.

Lets not forget all of the great competition at the Babylon Lax Blast and the YJ North tournament in Conn.
YJ VS. YJ 8 out of 10 games

World class coaching!!

What are you talking about. A little delayed. Go to elevate site. Stay off here. Your obviously bored. He said she said. Grow up!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You move on my literally speaking. The reason why your not invited to the nike elite is because there is nothing elite about TG!!!!!! You will never be anything like YG or Elevate. Both far superior. Bye now. Have a great season moving backwards.

you do realize that jackets is spelled with a J and not a G. It's hard to take your [lacrosse] posts seriously when you look like such an idiot

Who cares about any of this nonsense? Your all very sad! Get a second job. Get yourself off your recliner.

Can't forget about the dirty dome with the coaches rolling out of bed. Great experience.

[quote=Anonymous]Can't forget about the HOFSTRA tourney. Now that's fun day of lax playing. That is the biggest [lacrosse] show I've ever seen. Let's have our teams play eAchother and make sure the black beats purple and purple destroys white!! Great idea. Can't wait for some positive input on this!! Tick tock.

YJ would never allow their A teams to play their B teams.

[quote=Anonymous]Can't forget about the dirty dome with the coaches rolling out of bed. Great experience.

Bad experience I'd rather pay $50 a session to play wall ball at KK. Its a very nice place especially when they turn the heat on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Can't forget about the HOFSTRA tourney. Now that's fun day of lax playing. That is the biggest [lacrosse] show I've ever seen. Let's have our teams play eAchother and make sure the black beats purple and purple destroys white!! Great idea. Can't wait for some positive input on this!! Tick tock.

YJ would never allow their A teams to play their B teams.

Oh yeah and YJ's LI Elite tournament is a wonderful Tournament so everyone can suck up to CR

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Can't forget about the HOFSTRA tourney. Now that's fun day of lax playing. That is the biggest [lacrosse] show I've ever seen. Let's have our teams play eAchother and make sure the black beats purple and purple destroys white!! Great idea. Can't wait for some positive input on this!! Tick tock.
K
YJ would never allow their A teams to play their B teams.

Jones has played Curcio every year in the 2020

[/quote]you do realize that jackets is spelled with a J and not a G. It's hard to take your [lacrosse] posts seriously when you look like such an idiot [/quote]

If you are going to call someone and idiot based on their lack of spelling skills, at least spell "[lacrosse]" correctly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Can't forget about the HOFSTRA tourney. Now that's fun day of lax playing. That is the biggest [lacrosse] show I've ever seen. Let's have our teams play eAchother and make sure the black beats purple and purple destroys white!! Great idea. Can't wait for some positive input on this!! Tick tock.
K
YJ would never allow their A teams to play their B teams.

Jones has played Curcio every year in the 2020

Stop letting facts get in the way of this argument.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[/quote]you do realize that jackets is spelled with a J and not a G. It's hard to take your [lacrosse] posts seriously when you look like such an idiot

If you are going to call someone and idiot based on their lack of spelling skills, at least spell "[lacrosse]" correctly.

[/quote]

That is hilarious, and sad at the same time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Can't forget about the HOFSTRA tourney. Now that's fun day of lax playing. That is the biggest [lacrosse] show I've ever seen. Let's have our teams play eAchother and make sure the black beats purple and purple destroys white!! Great idea. Can't wait for some positive input on this!! Tick tock.
K
YJ would never allow their A teams to play their B teams.

Jones has played Curcio every year in the 2020

Stop letting facts get in the way of this argument.

FACT. JONES beat CURCIO in National Draw. The only meaningful tourney they played. F & F still rules the roost. Hopefully coach K will teach her (Curcio) how to coach. Can't wait for summer to see those white trash outfits. Call me whatever you want but I'll let you draw your own conclusion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Can't forget about the HOFSTRA tourney. Now that's fun day of lax playing. That is the biggest [lacrosse] show I've ever seen. Let's have our teams play eAchother and make sure the black beats purple and purple destroys white!! Great idea. Can't wait for some positive input on this!! Tick tock.
K
YJ would never allow their A teams to play their B teams.

Jones has played Curcio every year in the 2020

Stop letting facts get in the way of this argument.

FACT. JONES beat CURCIO in National Draw. The only meaningful tourney they played. F & F still rules the roost. Hopefully coach K will teach her (Curcio) how to coach. Can't wait for summer to see those white trash outfits. Call me whatever you want but I'll let you draw your own conclusion.

That was two years ago.... Didn't Jones make it to the finals at National Draw last year an Curcio didn't even make it out of their bracket?

Again the comparing. It's just ridiculous. Worry about yourselves and the mess that you are up against for yet another great season with tg's lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Again the comparing. It's just ridiculous. Worry about yourselves and the mess that you are up against for yet another great season with tg's lacrosse.

Here is what I cannot for the life of me understand: WHY do you care so much about another club and the people in it? People play where they want to play for many reasons. If they are unhappy with their current club they have the option to leave. TG people don't care what YJ people think about the club and vice versa. You're where you are, we're where we are. Let it go and move on. Stop obsessing over what TG may or may not do, just worry about yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Again the comparing. It's just ridiculous. Worry about yourselves and the mess that you are up against for yet another great season with tg's lacrosse.

Here is what I cannot for the life of me understand: WHY do you care so much about another club and the people in it? People play where they want to play for many reasons. If they are unhappy with their current club they have the option to leave. TG people don't care what YJ people think about the club and vice versa. You're where you are, we're where we are. Let it go and move on. Stop obsessing over what TG may or may not do, just worry about yourself.

Well said!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Again the comparing. It's just ridiculous. Worry about yourselves and the mess that you are up against for yet another great season with tg's lacrosse.

Here is what I cannot for the life of me understand: WHY do you care so much about another club and the people in it? People play where they want to play for many reasons. If they are unhappy with their current club they have the option to leave. TG people don't care what YJ people think about the club and vice versa. You're where you are, we're where we are. Let it go and move on. Stop obsessing over what TG may or may not do, just worry about yourself.

Here is where all of this starts - CR. She created a monopoly and was the first program for girls on LI. Good for her. She built a great program. However, she does not want any competition whatsoever and when DG started Liberty she was furious. The two of them don't speak. When BS & SS started TG she was furious.

She wants her fiefdom and she wants to be the only Queen Bee. The stuff that she has had to say against other programs and the heads of those programs has been shocking. As they say - "the fish stinks from the head." Her minions who are all fearful of her then exacerbate the problem and further spew her venom.

The stuff that comes out of these women's mouths is nothing short of disgusting. They have been taught by someone who loves to throw her weight around. It's really pathetic. Yet parents will keep stepping up and writing checks because of the brand.

And I am not on Top Guns anymore but I know alot of the top girls on the first Elevate high school team did not make any of the Top Guns Black or Purple. Dave got lucky with a couple of girls that had goods sticks. If your not in his inner circle and drink his koolaide your kid is out.

Where is this coming from? left field. If your not on tg's why you on this site? To complain....or that you made the wrong choice by not staying with tg? whahh

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And I am not on Top Guns anymore but I know alot of the top girls on the first Elevate high school team did not make any of the Top Guns Black or Purple. Dave got lucky with a couple of girls that had goods sticks. If your not in his inner circle and drink his koolaide your kid is out.

Not following your post. So top Elevate girls can't even make the TG "B" teams and you suggest the problem is at Elevate? I'd conclude that, if what you are saying is true, TG is doing a particularly poor job of evaluating talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And I am not on Top Guns anymore but I know alot of the top girls on the first Elevate high school team did not make any of the Top Guns Black or Purple. Dave got lucky with a couple of girls that had goods sticks. If your not in his inner circle and drink his koolaide your kid is out.

Not following your post. So top Elevate girls can't even make the TG "B" teams and you suggest the problem is at Elevate? I'd conclude that, if what you are saying is true, TG is doing a particularly poor job of evaluating talent.

You don't take even talent and swap it out with in house talent ever. Why would a club displace a known talent level with a history of paying the bill for a player at the same level? Only the standout girls will land on other clubs top teams. That is the problem with switching clubs, most often it is not a lateral move, especially if upgrading clubs, try to break into an established YJ Blue team. It is much easier going from a YJ top team to another clubs, but still not a certain deal as some of these players are not up to par with rest of team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And I am not on Top Guns anymore but I know alot of the top girls on the first Elevate high school team did not make any of the Top Guns Black or Purple. Dave got lucky with a couple of girls that had goods sticks. If your not in his inner circle and drink his koolaide your kid is out.

Not following your post. So top Elevate girls can't even make the TG "B" teams and you suggest the problem is at Elevate? I'd conclude that, if what you are saying is true, TG is doing a particularly poor job of evaluating talent.

You don't take even talent and swap it out with in house talent ever. Why would a club displace a known talent level with a history of paying the bill for a player at the same level? Only the standout girls will land on other clubs top teams. That is the problem with switching clubs, most often it is not a lateral move, especially if upgrading clubs, try to break into an established YJ Blue team. It is much easier going from a YJ top team to another clubs, but still not a certain deal as some of these players are not up to par with rest of team.

Can not think of any top team YJ kid who has left for another club to begin with let alone a kid who has left top YJ team for a lower level team else where. Just does not seem to happen

unless you were a yj in 3rd grade the tie will always go to a current yj player or one that is part of the F&F plan.

If you want to crack their roster in 7th, 8th or 9th grade you will have to be head and shoulders better, not just marginally better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

unless you were a yj in 3rd grade the tie will always go to a current yj player or one that is part of the F&F plan.

If you want to crack their roster in 7th, 8th or 9th grade you will have to be head and shoulders better, not just marginally better.

Please remeber that is also going to be true for anyone attending the UA tryouts! Tie goes to the YJ!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And I am not on Top Guns anymore but I know alot of the top girls on the first Elevate high school team did not make any of the Top Guns Black or Purple. Dave got lucky with a couple of girls that had goods sticks. If your not in his inner circle and drink his koolaide your kid is out.

Not following your post. So top Elevate girls can't even make the TG "B" teams and you suggest the problem is at Elevate? I'd conclude that, if what you are saying is true, TG is doing a particularly poor job of evaluating talent.

You don't take even talent and swap it out with in house talent ever. Why would a club displace a known talent level with a history of paying the bill for a player at the same level? Only the standout girls will land on other clubs top teams. That is the problem with switching clubs, most often it is not a lateral move, especially if upgrading clubs, try to break into an established YJ Blue team. It is much easier going from a YJ top team to another clubs, but still not a certain deal as some of these players are not up to par with rest of team.

So you're saying the top Elevate kids are not an upgrade over anyone on the TG "B" team? Nobody believes that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

unless you were a yj in 3rd grade the tie will always go to a current yj player or one that is part of the F&F plan.

If you want to crack their roster in 7th, 8th or 9th grade you will have to be head and shoulders better, not just marginally better.

Please remeber that is also going to be true for anyone attending the UA tryouts! Tie goes to the YJ!!!!

There doesn't have to be a tie it is still going to the YJ!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

unless you were a yj in 3rd grade the tie will always go to a current yj player or one that is part of the F&F plan.

If you want to crack their roster in 7th, 8th or 9th grade you will have to be head and shoulders better, not just marginally better.

Please remeber that is also going to be true for anyone attending the UA tryouts! Tie goes to the YJ!!!!

One of the many perks of playing for YJ, an actual big draw when we decided to accept a spot on a blue team, as you can see brand and the clubs political connections far outreach any other LI club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

unless you were a yj in 3rd grade the tie will always go to a current yj player or one that is part of the F&F plan.

If you want to crack their roster in 7th, 8th or 9th grade you will have to be head and shoulders better, not just marginally better.

Please remeber that is also going to be true for anyone attending the UA tryouts! Tie goes to the YJ!!!!

One of the many perks of playing for YJ, an actual big draw when we decided to accept a spot on a blue team, as you can see brand and the clubs political connections far outreach any other LI club.

Oh Political connections? So I guess it's not always the most talented.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

unless you were a yj in 3rd grade the tie will always go to a current yj player or one that is part of the F&F plan.

If you want to crack their roster in 7th, 8th or 9th grade you will have to be head and shoulders better, not just marginally better.

Please remeber that is also going to be true for anyone attending the UA tryouts! Tie goes to the YJ!!!!

One of the many perks of playing for YJ, an actual big draw when we decided to accept a spot on a blue team, as you can see brand and the clubs political connections far outreach any other LI club.

Oh Political connections? So I guess it's not always the most talented.

Yep, and some clubs have neither talent nor connections.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

unless you were a yj in 3rd grade the tie will always go to a current yj player or one that is part of the F&F plan.

If you want to crack their roster in 7th, 8th or 9th grade you will have to be head and shoulders better, not just marginally better.

Please remeber that is also going to be true for anyone attending the UA tryouts! Tie goes to the YJ!!!!

One of the many perks of playing for YJ, an actual big draw when we decided to accept a spot on a blue team, as you can see brand and the clubs political connections far outreach any other LI club.

Oh Political connections? So I guess it's not always the most talented.

Yep, and some clubs have neither talent nor connections.

Consistently producing top talent is often the basis for those connections. IMO, YJ and M&D are the top dogs over time and across age groups. Their kids get the advantage of that reputation. It's the way it is, just like degrees from certain schools open more doors.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

unless you were a yj in 3rd grade the tie will always go to a current yj player or one that is part of the F&F plan.

If you want to crack their roster in 7th, 8th or 9th grade you will have to be head and shoulders better, not just marginally better.

Please remeber that is also going to be true for anyone attending the UA tryouts! Tie goes to the YJ!!!!

One of the many perks of playing for YJ, an actual big draw when we decided to accept a spot on a blue team, as you can see brand and the clubs political connections far outreach any other LI club.

Oh Political connections? So I guess it's not always the most talented.

Yep, and some clubs have neither talent nor connections.

Consistently producing top talent is often the basis for those connections. IMO, YJ and M&D are the top dogs over time and across age groups. Their kids get the advantage of that reputation. It's the way it is, just like degrees from certain schools open more doors.

They definitely get a reputation from being on YJ but it's not always a good one.

Elevate first and second team beat TG purple. Last summer. Then they never played again. Problem is tg black at 2018 does not play in top
Tier grouping and elevate blue does. Why don't they?

2018 yj blue left for tg black. I'm sure there are more.

top guns rule!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elevate first and second team beat TG purple. Last summer. Then they never played again. Problem is tg black at 2018 does not play in top
Tier grouping and elevate blue does. Why don't they?

nobody cares, go away

You care admit that elevate is better. You guys are the lowest on the long list. Your in such denial. FACTS are right in front of you too bad.

Is it me or is this dome getting grosser by the week.

They don't go in the correct tier because they don't want to lose against elevate. BS and SS are cowards maybe that's why. I don't know that's a tough question. I'm thinking their just not as good as their competitors.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They don't go in the correct tier because they don't want to lose against elevate. BS and SS are cowards maybe that's why. I don't know that's a tough question. I'm thinking their just not as good as their competitors.

Yawn

Yawn all the way home. I'd be tired if I were you too.

You seriously sound like your 5. You can't even own something my 5 year old might be more mature. Go away. Wel ok sir.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elevate first and second team beat TG purple. Last summer. Then they never played again. Problem is tg black at 2018 does not play in top
Tier grouping and elevate blue does. Why don't they?

nobody cares, go away

elevate is amazing ....Dave said so!!! It must be true !!

Larry can you please resurrect the dormant, old, irrelevant elevate thread so the parents can go tell each other how great they are somewhere else - thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

elevate is amazing ....Dave said so!!! It must be true !!

Sarcasm

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yawn all the way home. I'd be tired if I were you too.

Yawn

Must drive tg's mad that elevate advertising shows up on this thread. Awhh sooo sad. Just getting beat all around. Stinks

That like saying that Coca-Cola gets mad when RC adverises or Mercades Benz gets upset when Kia runs an add. Try a different angle that one is weak. Be creative, truth not squired on here. Make something up. Everyone else does.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Must drive tg's mad that elevate advertising shows up on this thread. Awhh sooo sad. Just getting beat all around. Stinks

Probably a YJ lunatic just trying to stir the pot like they are doing on the YJ thread.

Top Guns 2018 Purple defeated both Elevate Blue and Red teams in the Summer 2013 at Hofstra. Haven't played each other again. Get your facts straight.

2013??? Really???? Get a life. FACT!!!

2013 and hofstra. hofstra is a joke just like you. It was 2 years ago really? What do you have a little book. Go take your meds

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Dave is one of the best guys in the business. You would be lucky to have him coach your kid. He would not allow a parent who behaves like you to be part of his program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Dave is one of the best guys in the business. You would be lucky to have him coach your kid. He would not allow a parent who behaves like you to be part of his program.

You've got to be kidding, elevate parents are the craziest people you could ever see on the sidelines (they certainly are right there with yj when it comesto crazy parents) and they take their cue from dk - don't think there's a coach out there who has been ejected from more games and or banned from tournaments then your benevolent leader

BS and SS are better? Ok, one is non existent and one never played a sport in his life. Get a life

You people don't have the right to speak about any coach. At least other organizations have "coaching".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BS and SS are better? Ok, one is non existent and one never played a sport in his life. Get a life

Just to clarify.... Bill Smith was a multi sport athlete at West Babylon HS. He won awards in football and was an accomplished lacrosse player. Please check facts before posting.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BS and SS are better? Ok, one is non existent and one never played a sport in his life. Get a life

Just to clarify.... Bill Smith was a multi sport athlete at West Babylon HS. He won awards in football and was an accomplished lacrosse player. Please check facts before posting.

Great athletes don't appear from no where and neither did SS. It is often hard to see the athletic potential yesteryears athletes once possessed. Don't even think that matters, in the end he proved to be a good businessman who knew exactly when to strike up his club. A few years earlier or later the club never would have taken off. Good for him and good for girls lax.

I understand that CR is a gym coach and there was scrutiny about her weight in prior posts. But come on. BS is a Leader. Lead by example. Besides his physical appearance I have never seen him pick up a stick. If you say he has your full of it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I understand that CR is a gym coach and there was scrutiny about her weight in prior posts. But come on. BS is a Leader. Lead by example. Besides his physical appearance I have never seen him pick up a stick. If you say he has your full of it.

I have seen him on several occasions alone at this years winter clinic. Mostly just showing a kid how to do a drill that they are struggling with.

You know what maybe he has. I do know that he has coached several of the teams when playing against each other at the Hofstra tournament. He has made it a point to instruct and coach the higher tier teams to make sure that they win. As far as picking up a stick. Na not going for it. Sorry. Something is in it for him.

True. Sad but true!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BS and SS are better? Ok, one is non existent and one never played a sport in his life. Get a life

This proves you know nothing about what you're posting...

No sadly ypur mistaken neither one highly respected in the community. He should hit the gym.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No sadly ypur mistaken neither one highly respected in the community. He should hit the gym.

We are all sorry your kid was moved off black and now you are on a YJ gold team and so bitter that you have to bash the smiths.

Read the whole subject before making you asinine statement. My daughters status which is not listed above has nothing to do with the subject. BS needs to hit the gym. That's it!!!!

Even if they were on the "gold" team jackass. Its better than the black team. Here we go again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Read the whole subject before making you asinine statement. My daughters status which is not listed above has nothing to do with the subject. BS needs to hit the gym. That's it!!!!

Somebody struck a nerve! Ouch

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Read the whole subject before making you asinine statement. My daughters status which is not listed above has nothing to do with the subject. BS needs to hit the gym. That's it!!!!

Somebody struck a nerve! Ouch

I guess his daughter has no status

Anyone who has to come on here and bash someones physical appearance is not worthy of a response and is like a 5 year old throwing a temper tantrum because he didn't get his way. He is mad at the world and needs to make someone else feel bad about themselves so he can feel better. IGNORE

Maybe its West Hampton

Her status is the name daddy is destroying for the all mighty buck

[quote=Anonymous]Maybe its West Hampton [/quot

Maybe it's the loser who is obsessed w the Westhampton kid , ie you.

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BS and SS are better? Ok, one is non existent and one never played a sport in his life. Get a life

Just to clarify.... Bill Smith was a multi sport athlete at West Babylon HS. He won awards in football and was an accomplished lacrosse player. Please check facts before posting.

Wasn't he a NYC firefighter as well?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BS and SS are better? Ok, one is non existent and one never played a sport in his life. Get a life

Just to clarify.... Bill Smith was a multi sport athlete at West Babylon HS. He won awards in football and was an accomplished lacrosse player. Please check facts before posting.

Wasn't he a NYC firefighter as well?

Yes he was. He was forced to retire due to pulminory issues from 9/11. Might have something to do with his weight since he can't go out and jog like everyone wants him to do. Whether you like him or not, he did his job on 9/11. Which is more than most of us can say.

Absolutely true, I heard he was a 9/11 responder. He has also lost some weight recently, but regardless it is none of anyone's business. Looking around the sidelines of Lacrosse events there are many parents who need to drop a few.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Absolutely true, I heard he was a 9/11 responder. He has also lost some weight recently, but regardless it is none of anyone's business. Looking around the sidelines of Lacrosse events there are many parents who need to drop a few.

He went in there knowing he had 3 young kids at home. Doubt any of these internet cowards would have the balls to do the same.

Please the last thing BS or any retired member of the FDNY wants is for people to be discussing their involvement that horrible day. Please move on to something else. Thank you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please the last thing BS or any retired member of the FDNY wants is for people to be discussing their involvement that horrible day. Please move on to something else. Thank you

I agree. Move on.

Is TG invited to the G-10 in Morristown?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is TG invited to the G-10 in Morristown?

what is the G 10? Is there a link for it?

I hope so

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is TG invited to the G-10 in Morristown?

what is the G 10? Is there a link for it?

It is a select tournament, the idea is to reduce the entry to only the top ten teams in each age group,giving a hand picked selection of players for the coaches to look at. Same people who run NIKE elite 120 which attracts the top gathering of college coaches, so I am sure this will too. The TG black teams should about fit the profile, but they seem to steer TG players away from elite 120 so I am guessing they will avoid this as well. I think many of these club directors have burnt bridges and strained relations that often guide what they enter. Not sure if the date interferes with the TG summer schedule, and not sure if this is an invite only thing but the black teams in the recruiting age group should get together and go on their own.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is TG invited to the G-10 in Morristown?

TG will be at "the grind" and "the rise" tournaments I think the same weekend.

Step it up TG or else!

I thought the tournament in morristown was g8 not g10. What does g8 stand for ? Does g8 = Gait ?

It's an unproven new tournament that's calling itself elite. (If you write it it must be true) started by the director of Steps NJ. It might be great, it might fade away...I would stress too much whether you're going there or another tournament

Are the purple and white teams equal talent?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are the purple and white teams equal talent?

Yes they are both PAL level teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's an unproven new tournament that's calling itself elite. (If you write it it must be true) started by the director of Steps NJ. It might be great, it might fade away...I would stress too much whether you're going there or another tournament

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's an unproven new tournament that's calling itself elite. (If you write it it must be true) started by the director of Steps NJ. It might be great, it might fade away...I would stress too much whether you're going there or another tournament

Other than the fact that the top teams from YJ, TLC, M&D, Maryland United, Heros, etc. will be there. Only the handful of top teams in the country and the top college coaches. The boys side has moved to smaller tournaments with only the top teams and I assure you the coaches will flock to this one. Ask your TG staff why they are not getting invited to these type of events - Elite 120 the individual showcase which had 90+ coaches and this top team tournament this upcoming summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's an unproven new tournament that's calling itself elite. (If you write it it must be true) started by the director of Steps NJ. It might be great, it might fade away...I would stress too much whether you're going there or another tournament

The elite 120 does such a good job of gathering the very top talent, coaches are begging for the next step, and this is it. From a recruiting coaches standpoint, what could be better? Most any and all other tournaments are all about making money, they take any and all. They try to bracket it out but many brackets and pools are useless games against bad competition. If your a recruiter, do you really want to deal with all the extra noise. Trim the fat away, get only the top teams in a single venue, surrounded by quality players, dream come true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Step it up TG or else!

Or else what? You're going to leave? BYE!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's an unproven new tournament that's calling itself elite. (If you write it it must be true) started by the director of Steps NJ. It might be great, it might fade away...I would stress too much whether you're going there or another tournament

The elite 120 does such a good job of gathering the very top talent, coaches are begging for the next step, and this is it. From a recruiting coaches standpoint, what could be better? Most any and all other tournaments are all about making money, they take any and all. They try to bracket it out but many brackets and pools are useless games against bad competition. If your a recruiter, do you really want to deal with all the extra noise. Trim the fat away, get only the top teams in a single venue, surrounded by quality players, dream come true.

Don't kid yourself. Elite 120 is all about the money. They capitalize on the fact that not much else goes on over the winter for girls. Not so elite when you invite well over 120 and then it is first come first serve for invites. If they truly want to be elite perhaps invite what they feel truly is the top 120, wait for turn downs and fill in from there. The bottom line in this sport (as any other sport) it comes down to the almighty dollar!!!! I agree with above poster, they have given themselves the title "Elite"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's an unproven new tournament that's calling itself elite. (If you write it it must be true) started by the director of Steps NJ. It might be great, it might fade away...I would stress too much whether you're going there or another tournament

The elite 120 does such a good job of gathering the very top talent, coaches are begging for the next step, and this is it. From a recruiting coaches standpoint, what could be better? Most any and all other tournaments are all about making money, they take any and all. They try to bracket it out but many brackets and pools are useless games against bad competition. If your a recruiter, do you really want to deal with all the extra noise. Trim the fat away, get only the top teams in a single venue, surrounded by quality players, dream come true.

Don't kid yourself. Elite 120 is all about the money. They capitalize on the fact that not much else goes on over the winter for girls. Not so elite when you invite well over 120 and then it is first come first serve for invites. If they truly want to be elite perhaps invite what they feel truly is the top 120, wait for turn downs and fill in from there. The bottom line in this sport (as any other sport) it comes down to the almighty dollar!!!! I agree with above poster, they have given themselves the title "Elite"

They only invite 180 from each group. That's the equivalent of about 5-6 teams worth of girls. I think that's still pretty elite. Trying to minimize its impact because you weren't invited perhaps?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's an unproven new tournament that's calling itself elite. (If you write it it must be true) started by the director of Steps NJ. It might be great, it might fade away...I would stress too much whether you're going there or another tournament

The elite 120 does such a good job of gathering the very top talent, coaches are begging for the next step, and this is it. From a recruiting coaches standpoint, what could be better? Most any and all other tournaments are all about making money, they take any and all. They try to bracket it out but many brackets and pools are useless games against bad competition. If your a recruiter, do you really want to deal with all the extra noise. Trim the fat away, get only the top teams in a single venue, surrounded by quality players, dream come true.

Don't kid yourself. Elite 120 is all about the money. They capitalize on the fact that not much else goes on over the winter for girls. Not so elite when you invite well over 120 and then it is first come first serve for invites. If they truly want to be elite perhaps invite what they feel truly is the top 120, wait for turn downs and fill in from there. The bottom line in this sport (as any other sport) it comes down to the almighty dollar!!!! I agree with above poster, they have given themselves the title "Elite"

You make no sense at all. They invite a very small group of select teams, how is that all about the money? Look at ALL the other tournaments and even U15, it is a free for all. If there was ever one tournament that was not all about the money, this is it. If your team is not going to this and your daughter isn't going to 120, tell yourself whatever you need to be able to sleep at night, but spare the rest of us.

Its always about the money. If your daughter is truly top 120 she doesn't need this or any other particular event to be recruited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's an unproven new tournament that's calling itself elite. (If you write it it must be true) started by the director of Steps NJ. It might be great, it might fade away...I would stress too much whether you're going there or another tournament

The elite 120 does such a good job of gathering the very top talent, coaches are begging for the next step, and this is it. From a recruiting coaches standpoint, what could be better? Most any and all other tournaments are all about making money, they take any and all. They try to bracket it out but many brackets and pools are useless games against bad competition. If your a recruiter, do you really want to deal with all the extra noise. Trim the fat away, get only the top teams in a single venue, surrounded by quality players, dream come true.

Don't kid yourself. Elite 120 is all about the money. They capitalize on the fact that not much else goes on over the winter for girls. Not so elite when you invite well over 120 and then it is first come first serve for invites. If they truly want to be elite perhaps invite what they feel truly is the top 120, wait for turn downs and fill in from there. The bottom line in this sport (as any other sport) it comes down to the almighty dollar!!!! I agree with above poster, they have given themselves the title "Elite"

Apparently you weren't there or your kid was not invited. Great, well -run event with a lot of talent and most of the top schools in the country recruiting there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its always about the money. If your daughter is truly top 120 she doesn't need this or any other particular event to be recruited.

This is true but don't minimize the Elite 120 event. It was excellent with a lot of top girls, well run, and a lot of top coaches. Agree it wash;t free but felt better about spending the money after seeing the event than many other events out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its always about the money. If your daughter is truly top 120 she doesn't need this or any other particular event to be recruited.

Send her out to play in the back yard, don't worry about it, if she is that good they will find her! A real lacrosse recluse, good luck with that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's an unproven new tournament that's calling itself elite. (If you write it it must be true) started by the director of Steps NJ. It might be great, it might fade away...I would stress too much whether you're going there or another tournament

The elite 120 does such a good job of gathering the very top talent, coaches are begging for the next step, and this is it. From a recruiting coaches standpoint, what could be better? Most any and all other tournaments are all about making money, they take any and all. They try to bracket it out but many brackets and pools are useless games against bad competition. If your a recruiter, do you really want to deal with all the extra noise. Trim the fat away, get only the top teams in a single venue, surrounded by quality players, dream come true.

Don't kid yourself. Elite 120 is all about the money. They capitalize on the fact that not much else goes on over the winter for girls. Not so elite when you invite well over 120 and then it is first come first serve for invites. If they truly want to be elite perhaps invite what they feel truly is the top 120, wait for turn downs and fill in from there. The bottom line in this sport (as any other sport) it comes down to the almighty dollar!!!! I agree with above poster, they have given themselves the title "Elite"

You make no sense at all. They invite a very small group of select teams, how is that all about the money? Look at ALL the other tournaments and even U15, it is a free for all. If there was ever one tournament that was not all about the money, this is it. If your team is not going to this and your daughter isn't going to 120, tell yourself whatever you need to be able to sleep at night, but spare the rest of us.

You are completely wrong. Anyone can contact the directors for an invite. Then you have your coach send in a reference. I know, because I did this for my daughter. So you can keep telling yourself that your daughter is "Elite" ....in your own mind. As I said, it is just like everything else..$$$$$$$

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its always about the money. If your daughter is truly top 120 she doesn't need this or any other particular event to be recruited.

This is true but don't minimize the Elite 120 event. It was excellent with a lot of top girls, well run, and a lot of top coaches. Agree it wash;t free but felt better about spending the money after seeing the event than many other events out there.

Never said it wasn't a well run event or there wasn't a good turnout of coaches. There is nothing else going on that weekend for coaches to attend. Just stating it is not as exclusive as people want to think it is. Wait until another event develops on the same weekend...that will be the next elite showcase.

No recluse at all.just a lax parent with a few more dollars in my pocket.

If you have to call yourself elite ....... Are you really elite?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No recluse at all.just a lax parent with a few more dollars in my pocket.

It"s not even a question of a extra money in your pocket, it is more a question of how the club your daughter plays for spends your money, the quality of tournaments the club picks out for your team. ALL the clubs have several cheesy tournaments they attend, especially the lower teams. When many of the teams in an age group are not up to snuff, it is not good business to bring to all tournaments where they take a beating. So yes, if these clubs are going to have 3, 4, 5 teams per age group, they better provide several feel good tournaments. If your a parent involved with the clubs top team from one of the top clubs, you want quality tournaments. The only problem with an elite team tournament like this is it causes internal strife as only the top teams in the club go. Look at the mess u15 causes internally at TG.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you have to call yourself elite ....... Are you really elite?

Already saw this one coming... don't attend the events where the so said "chosen" ones are pulled from. Strong connection between quite a number of teams who I can validate from seeing first hand would not be and should not be in the elite category. As I mentioned once we found out about the event made a phone call and it was done. Keep telling yourself what you want to believe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No recluse at all.just a lax parent with a few more dollars in my pocket.

It"s not even a question of a extra money in your pocket, it is more a question of how the club your daughter plays for spends your money, the quality of tournaments the club picks out for your team. ALL the clubs have several cheesy tournaments they attend, especially the lower teams. When many of the teams in an age group are not up to snuff, it is not good business to bring to all tournaments where they take a beating. So yes, if these clubs are going to have 3, 4, 5 teams per age group, they better provide several feel good tournaments. If your a parent involved with the clubs top team from one of the top clubs, you want quality tournaments. The only problem with an elite team tournament like this is it causes internal strife as only the top teams in the club go. Look at the mess u15 causes internally at TG.

The club should attend most tournaments as a whole unit. Most tournaments are set up with brackets based on ability. Rate your team properly. play in right division and you can compete and feel good. As for internal mess at TG due to U15, parents need to be realistic not everybody goes, Reality is that not everyone can go to Northwestern or Maryland either, Its ok. Daughter did not make u15 as a 2016, was not a Elite 120 invite, and certainly not a "stud". She got plenty of exposure going to tournaments like Lax Inception, Capitol cup and Rivalry, is a good solid lacrosse player and has recently committed to the school of her choice. Be patient and realistic

Only the very top girls are ever going to pay back on their investment. For everyone paying 4 grand or so a year for 8 years people are in for $30-$40 thousand.

Now my kid is getting looks from $55,000 a year schools offering $7,000 a year to play lax. That's still $48,000 a year!!!

Pay for tutors instead of personal "wall ball training" and go to Stony Brook or Binghampton

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only the very top girls are ever going to pay back on their investment. For everyone paying 4 grand or so a year for 8 years people are in for $30-$40 thousand.

Now my kid is getting looks from $55,000 a year schools offering $7,000 a year to play lax. That's still $48,000 a year!!!

Pay for tutors instead of personal "wall ball training" and go to Stony Brook or Binghampton

Let me take this post a bit further. I agree with this post, and to look deeper, parents need to understand that colleges and universities are businesses and not in the business of giving away money.

Lacrosse, soccer, and other sports are revenue producing sports for these institutions like basketball and football. Big time scholarships are very rare. partials are not worth taking if the school's academic rank is out of the top 50 IMO.

My youngest had two full scholarships for soccer and we turned them down because non of those schools came close to Duke where she was accepted.

The choice for her education between Duke or "P on U" was a no-brainer!!

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only the very top girls are ever going to pay back on their investment. For everyone paying 4 grand or so a year for 8 years people are in for $30-$40 thousand.

Now my kid is getting looks from $55,000 a year schools offering $7,000 a year to play lax. That's still $48,000 a year!!!

Pay for tutors instead of personal "wall ball training" and go to Stony Brook or Binghampton

Let me take this post a bit further. I agree with this post, and to look deeper, parents need to understand that colleges and universities are businesses and not in the business of giving away money.

Lacrosse, soccer, and other sports are revenue producing sports for these institutions like basketball and football. Big time scholarships are very rare. partials are not worth taking if the school's academic rank is out of the top 50 IMO.

My youngest had two full scholarships for soccer and we turned them down because non of those schools came close to Duke where she was accepted.

The choice for her education between Duke or "P on U" was a no-brainer!!

Larry made the same choice we did (but we didn't get a Duke). We turned down weak academic schools AND weak lacrosse schools that were offering BIG CASH. The problem is on these travel club sidelines everyone is trying to 1 up each other, my daughter made black, My 8th grader got called up to varsity, my 9th grader committed.... after boasts like these, those are the parents that feel they MUST have their kid play in college. Go to Duke, cash in that academic money that is available to all and play college club lacrosse.

No employer will care that you graduated from APEX TECH as a 4 year starter on the lax team, except on of these club teams that will hire you are a gloried summer counselor!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only the very top girls are ever going to pay back on their investment. For everyone paying 4 grand or so a year for 8 years people are in for $30-$40 thousand.

Now my kid is getting looks from $55,000 a year schools offering $7,000 a year to play lax. That's still $48,000 a year!!!

Pay for tutors instead of personal "wall ball training" and go to Stony Brook or Binghampton

There is no "P" in Binghamton

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only the very top girls are ever going to pay back on their investment. For everyone paying 4 grand or so a year for 8 years people are in for $30-$40 thousand.

Now my kid is getting looks from $55,000 a year schools offering $7,000 a year to play lax. That's still $48,000 a year!!!

Pay for tutors instead of personal "wall ball training" and go to Stony Brook or Binghampton

There is no "P" in Binghamton

Value added response, your the best thanks

Your should be you're

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your should be you're

you bit again lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the tournament in morristown was g8 not g10. What does g8 stand for ? Does g8 = Gait ?

Its the G8 tournament in morristown this summer in July. If you look at M&D, Heroes, Steps, etc. they all have the tournament on their list and are attending. What teams from LI are attending - are TG and ELLevate going? I assume YJ will be there. There is NO website for the tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the tournament in morristown was g8 not g10. What does g8 stand for ? Does g8 = Gait ?

Its the G8 tournament in morristown this summer in July. If you look at M&D, Heroes, Steps, etc. they all have the tournament on their list and are attending. What teams from LI are attending - are TG and ELLevate going? I assume YJ will be there. There is NO website for the tournament.

In addition to the teams above, YJ's Blue, Maryland United, and TLC are attending. Will be a very good high quality tournament with just the top teams attending, what the coaches want.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the tournament in morristown was g8 not g10. What does g8 stand for ? Does g8 = Gait ?

Its the G8 tournament in morristown this summer in July. If you look at M&D, Heroes, Steps, etc. they all have the tournament on their list and are attending. What teams from LI are attending - are TG and ELLevate going? I assume YJ will be there. There is NO website for the tournament.

In addition to the teams above, YJ's Blue, Maryland United, and TLC are attending. Will be a very good high quality tournament with just the top teams attending, what the coaches want.

CR wanted only 1 LI club to attend and that is what she got.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the tournament in morristown was g8 not g10. What does g8 stand for ? Does g8 = Gait ?

Its the G8 tournament in morristown this summer in July. If you look at M&D, Heroes, Steps, etc. they all have the tournament on their list and are attending. What teams from LI are attending - are TG and ELLevate going? I assume YJ will be there. There is NO website for the tournament.

In addition to the teams above, YJ's Blue, Maryland United, and TLC are attending. Will be a very good high quality tournament with just the top teams attending, what the coaches want.

Heard Capital and Skywalkers too. Add in Hero's, TLC, M&D, Steps, YJ and MD United and that's a pretty tough line-up. With all these in Moorestown, who else is going to be at The Rise??

RIP U-15

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the tournament in morristown was g8 not g10. What does g8 stand for ? Does g8 = Gait ?

Its the G8 tournament in morristown this summer in July. If you look at M&D, Heroes, Steps, etc. they all have the tournament on their list and are attending. What teams from LI are attending - are TG and ELLevate going? I assume YJ will be there. There is NO website for the tournament.

In addition to the teams above, YJ's Blue, Maryland United, and TLC are attending. Will be a very good high quality tournament with just the top teams attending, what the coaches want.

Heard Capital and Skywalkers too. Add in Hero's, TLC, M&D, Steps, YJ and MD United and that's a pretty tough line-up. With all these in Moorestown, who else is going to be at The Rise??

RIP U-15

Been involved in girl's lacrosse for many years, this looks like the best lineup I have ever seen assembled. Would be interesting to see an online presence for this tourny with the colleges slated to attend. Just gotta assume this is where they will be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the tournament in morristown was g8 not g10. What does g8 stand for ? Does g8 = Gait ?

Its the G8 tournament in morristown this summer in July. If you look at M&D, Heroes, Steps, etc. they all have the tournament on their list and are attending. What teams from LI are attending - are TG and ELLevate going? I assume YJ will be there. There is NO website for the tournament.

In addition to the teams above, YJ's Blue, Maryland United, and TLC are attending. Will be a very good high quality tournament with just the top teams attending, what the coaches want.

Heard Capital and Skywalkers too. Add in Hero's, TLC, M&D, Steps, YJ and MD United and that's a pretty tough line-up. With all these in Moorestown, who else is going to be at The Rise??

RIP U-15

why rip u15 ,different weekends

Be careful! These clubs and colleges are businesses and your daughter could get hurt. Ask yourself this. Is your club really out for your kids interests or just the accolades they take credit for and your $$. Treat your daughters recruiting like a business!!!

http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...dium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Be careful! These clubs and colleges are businesses and your daughter could get hurt. Ask yourself this. Is your club really out for your kids interests or just the accolades they take credit for and your $$. Treat your daughters recruiting like a business!!!

http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...dium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Unfortunately, this is what Girl's/Women's Lacrosse has become. Us parents are to blame, we allow our 9th/10th graders to commit. They cannot take their official visits until their senior years. We are making it easy for the coaches and the system to take advantage of this loophole.

Go back to the way it was. Let the HS girls take advantage of all the official visits that are available to them. Commit and sign their NLI in November. It will never happen. Next year 8th graders will commit. Shame on us parents, do we really need our egos stroked at the expense of our daughters???? Apparently so!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the tournament in morristown was g8 not g10. What does g8 stand for ? Does g8 = Gait ?

Its the G8 tournament in morristown this summer in July. If you look at M&D, Heroes, Steps, etc. they all have the tournament on their list and are attending. What teams from LI are attending - are TG and ELLevate going? I assume YJ will be there. There is NO website for the tournament.

In addition to the teams above, YJ's Blue, Maryland United, and TLC are attending. Will be a very good high quality tournament with just the top teams attending, what the coaches want.

CR wanted only 1 LI club to attend and that is what she got.

Here we go again with CR trying to muscle around girl's lacrosse. This is not the first time she has done this. Does anyone remember her Galaxy league? Her invite only tournaments to certain teams.

Hopefully the IWCLA continues to offer more tournaments and they create the right brackets so other teams not in CR's power circle continue to have opportunities.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the tournament in morristown was g8 not g10. What does g8 stand for ? Does g8 = Gait ?

Its the G8 tournament in morristown this summer in July. If you look at M&D, Heroes, Steps, etc. they all have the tournament on their list and are attending. What teams from LI are attending - are TG and ELLevate going? I assume YJ will be there. There is NO website for the tournament.

In addition to the teams above, YJ's Blue, Maryland United, and TLC are attending. Will be a very good high quality tournament with just the top teams attending, what the coaches want.

CR wanted only 1 LI club to attend and that is what she got.

Here we go again with CR trying to muscle around girl's lacrosse. This is not the first time she has done this. Does anyone remember her Galaxy league? Her invite only tournaments to certain teams.

Hopefully the IWCLA continues to offer more tournaments and they create the right brackets so other teams not in CR's power circle continue to have opportunities.

If the YJ lose at least its to teams that aren't in her backyard. That's why both clubs duck each other. She would rather have YJ v YJ than play another LI team-too risky

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the tournament in morristown was g8 not g10. What does g8 stand for ? Does g8 = Gait ?

Its the G8 tournament in morristown this summer in July. If you look at M&D, Heroes, Steps, etc. they all have the tournament on their list and are attending. What teams from LI are attending - are TG and ELLevate going? I assume YJ will be there. There is NO website for the tournament.

In addition to the teams above, YJ's Blue, Maryland United, and TLC are attending. Will be a very good high quality tournament with just the top teams attending, what the coaches want.

CR wanted only 1 LI club to attend and that is what she got.

So TG and Elevate are not going because CR told them only one LI team can go or we are not coming? I know there are other tournaments that weekend which means no coaches will be anywhere that weekend except at the G8?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the tournament in morristown was g8 not g10. What does g8 stand for ? Does g8 = Gait ?

Its the G8 tournament in morristown this summer in July. If you look at M&D, Heroes, Steps, etc. they all have the tournament on their list and are attending. What teams from LI are attending - are TG and ELLevate going? I assume YJ will be there. There is NO website for the tournament.

In addition to the teams above, YJ's Blue, Maryland United, and TLC are attending. Will be a very good high quality tournament with just the top teams attending, what the coaches want.

CR wanted only 1 LI club to attend and that is what she got.

So TG and Elevate are not going because CR told them only one LI team can go or we are not coming? I know there are other tournaments that weekend which means no coaches will be anywhere that weekend except at the G8?

Not every coach is going to go to this. That weekend there are other recruiting tournaments as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Be careful! These clubs and colleges are businesses and your daughter could get hurt. Ask yourself this. Is your club really out for your kids interests or just the accolades they take credit for and your $$. Treat your daughters recruiting like a business!!!

http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...dium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Unfortunately, this is what Girl's/Women's Lacrosse has become. Us parents are to blame, we allow our 9th/10th graders to commit. They cannot take their official visits until their senior years. We are making it easy for the coaches and the system to take advantage of this loophole.

Go back to the way it was. Let the HS girls take advantage of all the official visits that are available to them. Commit and sign their NLI in November. It will never happen. Next year 8th graders will commit. Shame on us parents, do we really need our egos stroked at the expense of our daughters???? Apparently so!

Excellent post! I know a few girls who recently verbally comitted but are in academic danger as a result of failing grades. How does that happen? I was under the i,pression you need specific courses and grades?

Oh yes I am a yj parent but on this I do agree. Absolutley crazy for a 8 9 and in some cases a 10th grader to make this life choice. Wonder y the world is the way it is look in your own backyard. See the problem is all the parents have to change not just a handful. And you will always have the few that think their kid is so special she deserves this but in all actuality there is enough room for everyone

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the tournament in morristown was g8 not g10. What does g8 stand for ? Does g8 = Gait ?

Its the G8 tournament in morristown this summer in July. If you look at M&D, Heroes, Steps, etc. they all have the tournament on their list and are attending. What teams from LI are attending - are TG and ELLevate going? I assume YJ will be there. There is NO website for the tournament.

In addition to the teams above, YJ's Blue, Maryland United, and TLC are attending. Will be a very good high quality tournament with just the top teams attending, what the coaches want.

CR wanted only 1 LI club to attend and that is what she got.

Here we go again with CR trying to muscle around girl's lacrosse. This is not the first time she has done this. Does anyone remember her Galaxy league? Her invite only tournaments to certain teams.

Hopefully the IWCLA continues to offer more tournaments and they create the right brackets so other teams not in CR's power circle continue to have opportunities.

If the YJ lose at least its to teams that aren't in her backyard. That's why both clubs duck each other. She would rather have YJ v YJ than play another LI team-too risky

If what your saying is even remotely true, then I am even more impressed with CR and the power of the YJ organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the tournament in morristown was g8 not g10. What does g8 stand for ? Does g8 = Gait ?

Its the G8 tournament in morristown this summer in July. If you look at M&D, Heroes, Steps, etc. they all have the tournament on their list and are attending. What teams from LI are attending - are TG and ELLevate going? I assume YJ will be there. There is NO website for the tournament.

In addition to the teams above, YJ's Blue, Maryland United, and TLC are attending. Will be a very good high quality tournament with just the top teams attending, what the coaches want.

CR wanted only 1 LI club to attend and that is what she got.

Here we go again with CR trying to muscle around girl's lacrosse. This is not the first time she has done this. Does anyone remember her Galaxy league? Her invite only tournaments to certain teams.

Hopefully the IWCLA continues to offer more tournaments and they create the right brackets so other teams not in CR's power circle continue to have opportunities.

If the YJ lose at least its to teams that aren't in her backyard. That's why both clubs duck each other. She would rather have YJ v YJ than play another LI team-too risky

Too risky AND too embarrassing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Be careful! These clubs and colleges are businesses and your daughter could get hurt. Ask yourself this. Is your club really out for your kids interests or just the accolades they take credit for and your $$. Treat your daughters recruiting like a business!!!

http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...dium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Unfortunately, this is what Girl's/Women's Lacrosse has become. Us parents are to blame, we allow our 9th/10th graders to commit. They cannot take their official visits until their senior years. We are making it easy for the coaches and the system to take advantage of this loophole.

Go back to the way it was. Let the HS girls take advantage of all the official visits that are available to them. Commit and sign their NLI in November. It will never happen. Next year 8th graders will commit. Shame on us parents, do we really need our egos stroked at the expense of our daughters???? Apparently so!

Excellent post! I know a few girls who recently verbally comitted but are in academic danger as a result of failing grades. How does that happen? I was under the i,pression you need specific courses and grades?

What is never publicized is the girls who transfer out.

LI girl from Manhasset just transferred FROM Maryland as a JR to Syracuse. Maryland just won a National Championship and lost in the finals the year before...

LI girl (SOPH) transferred from Florida to Fairfield.

Another LI girls (JR at UVA) transferred to Stony Brook. All highly recruited players...

Why transfer? Because they made their decision prematurely? Not all sunshine and roses at their first choices? Balance of school, lax and being away from home too much? Not playing as much as expected or promised? New recruits more talented?

Can't expect our 8/9/10th graders to make educated decisions, they aren't educated enough at that age (15/16 year olds). That's what us parents should be helping them with!

Theres a loophole in the NCAA regs, where a coach can contact a 7 or 8th grader (middle school) The rules prohibits contact with "high school" Students

"What is never publicized is the girls who transfer out.

LI girl from Manhasset just transferred FROM Maryland as a JR to Syracuse. Maryland just won a National Championship and lost in the finals the year before...

LI girl (SOPH) transferred from Florida to Fairfield.

Another LI girls (JR at UVA) transferred to Stony Brook. All highly recruited players...

Why transfer? Because they made their decision prematurely? Not all sunshine and roses at their first choices? Balance of school, lax and being away from home too much? Not playing as much as expected or promised? New recruits more talented?

Can't expect our 8/9/10th graders to make educated decisions, they aren't educated enough at that age (15/16 year olds). That's what us parents should be helping them with!"

These posts are pathetic, do you believe if these kids waited until they were seniors they would not have been some who would have transferred. Look at kids who are seniors in high school right now , you think these kids who are desperately waiting to hear if they made it into their top choice are better equipped to make the decision as to what school to go to. Many of these early commits are mature kids whose parents were very involved in their decisions. It gets really old when all you experts know whats best for everybodys kids . Just sounds like your kid did not get the looks these kids did and you are jealous.

"Too risky AND too embarrassing"

Sorry but that just ignorant. The YJ teams would have no problem playing against any other LI team , or any team for that matter. At this point YJ would be favored in every age group against all other LI teams, TG has lost a good deal of talent in the teams that had a chance. That being said CR may pressure these tournament directors to allow just YJ from Long Island which is just good business for both sides. CR gets to put her teams in the top recruiting events which is just another reason players would want to go YJ as opposed to the competition.The tournament directors get the best teams from Long Island which helps them with college coaches and getting the top teams from across the country.Its a win win for everyone but the other LI clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"What is never publicized is the girls who transfer out.

LI girl from Manhasset just transferred FROM Maryland as a JR to Syracuse. Maryland just won a National Championship and lost in the finals the year before...

LI girl (SOPH) transferred from Florida to Fairfield.

Another LI girls (JR at UVA) transferred to Stony Brook. All highly recruited players...

Why transfer? Because they made their decision prematurely? Not all sunshine and roses at their first choices? Balance of school, lax and being away from home too much? Not playing as much as expected or promised? New recruits more talented?

Can't expect our 8/9/10th graders to make educated decisions, they aren't educated enough at that age (15/16 year olds). That's what us parents should be helping them with!"

These posts are pathetic, do you believe if these kids waited until they were seniors they would not have been some who would have transferred. Look at kids who are seniors in high school right now , you think these kids who are desperately waiting to hear if they made it into their top choice are better equipped to make the decision as to what school to go to. Many of these early commits are mature kids whose parents were very involved in their decisions. It gets really old when all you experts know whats best for everybodys kids . Just sounds like your kid did not get the looks these kids did and you are jealous.

What's pathetic is you attacking someone for posting a well thought out comment. Early commitments and high transfer rates among lacrosse players and college athletes as a whole is a huge topic right now.
Keep your snarky comments out of it and stick to the topic.

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"What is never publicized is the girls who transfer out.

LI girl from Manhasset just transferred FROM Maryland as a JR to Syracuse. Maryland just won a National Championship and lost in the finals the year before...

LI girl (SOPH) transferred from Florida to Fairfield.

Another LI girls (JR at UVA) transferred to Stony Brook. All highly recruited players...

Why transfer? Because they made their decision prematurely? Not all sunshine and roses at their first choices? Balance of school, lax and being away from home too much? Not playing as much as expected or promised? New recruits more talented?

Can't expect our 8/9/10th graders to make educated decisions, they aren't educated enough at that age (15/16 year olds). That's what us parents should be helping them with!"

These posts are pathetic, do you believe if these kids waited until they were seniors they would not have been some who would have transferred. Look at kids who are seniors in high school right now , you think these kids who are desperately waiting to hear if they made it into their top choice are better equipped to make the decision as to what school to go to. Many of these early commits are mature kids whose parents were very involved in their decisions. It gets really old when all you experts know whats best for everybodys kids . Just sounds like your kid did not get the looks these kids did and you are jealous.

What's pathetic is you attacking someone for posting a well thought out comment. Early commitments and high transfer rates among lacrosse players and college athletes as a whole is a huge topic right now.
Keep your snarky comments out of it and stick to the topic.

I was speaking with a HS AD this weekend and he said he is seeing and hearing from other AD's that too many of the early committed kids are just now finding out that they can not get accepted into the school academically. Also that their parents can't afford to send them to the school because the 20-25% athletic award with no academic $ makes it too expensive to send them to the school they committed to in 10th grade. It something for parents to start looking into when the coaches start calling. Try asking the coach what the % of girls that commit actually finish with a degree and stay on the team for all four years.

its called PGPA - Predicted Grade Point Average. If you dont have the grades you dont get in. NCAA minimum standards on being eligible to play any sport are also going up next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"What is never publicized is the girls who transfer out.

LI girl from Manhasset just transferred FROM Maryland as a JR to Syracuse. Maryland just won a National Championship and lost in the finals the year before...

LI girl (SOPH) transferred from Florida to Fairfield.

Another LI girls (JR at UVA) transferred to Stony Brook. All highly recruited players...

Why transfer? Because they made their decision prematurely? Not all sunshine and roses at their first choices? Balance of school, lax and being away from home too much? Not playing as much as expected or promised? New recruits more talented?

Can't expect our 8/9/10th graders to make educated decisions, they aren't educated enough at that age (15/16 year olds). That's what us parents should be helping them with!"

These posts are pathetic, do you believe if these kids waited until they were seniors they would not have been some who would have transferred. Look at kids who are seniors in high school right now , you think these kids who are desperately waiting to hear if they made it into their top choice are better equipped to make the decision as to what school to go to. Many of these early commits are mature kids whose parents were very involved in their decisions. It gets really old when all you experts know whats best for everybodys kids . Just sounds like your kid did not get the looks these kids did and you are jealous.

What's pathetic is you attacking someone for posting a well thought out comment. Early commitments and high transfer rates among lacrosse players and college athletes as a whole is a huge topic right now.
Keep your snarky comments out of it and stick to the topic.

I was speaking with a HS AD this weekend and he said he is seeing and hearing from other AD's that too many of the early committed kids are just now finding out that they can not get accepted into the school academically. Also that their parents can't afford to send them to the school because the 20-25% athletic award with no academic $ makes it too expensive to send them to the school they committed to in 10th grade. It something for parents to start looking into when the coaches start calling. Try asking the coach what the % of girls that commit actually finish with a degree and stay on the team for all four years.

Thank you so much, that makes sense. Some of my friends are giving verbals to D1 schools and are good lacrosse players but below average grade wise so it's confusing to figure out, one even failed summer school.

"What's pathetic is you attacking someone for posting a well thought out comment. Early commitments and high transfer rates among lacrosse players and college athletes as a whole is a huge topic right now.
Keep your snarky comments out of it and stick to the topic."

Have not seen that early commits have high transfer rates, or that lacrosse players have higher transfer rates compared to other athletes. You are acting as if this is a proven fact based on a few examples cited by one poster and that seems like a bunch of nonsense, snarky or not. What is the topic exactly , I know a few kids who did not commit early and waited it out only to be let down not getting into any of their top choices .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"What is never publicized is the girls who transfer out.

LI girl from Manhasset just transferred FROM Maryland as a JR to Syracuse. Maryland just won a National Championship and lost in the finals the year before...

LI girl (SOPH) transferred from Florida to Fairfield.

Another LI girls (JR at UVA) transferred to Stony Brook. All highly recruited players...
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Why transfer? Because they made their decision prematurely? Not all sunshine and roses at their first choices? Balance of school, lax and being away from home too much? Not playing as much as expected or promised? New recruits more talented?

Can't expect our 8/9/10th graders to make educated decisions, they aren't educated enough at that age (15/16 year olds). That's what us parents should be helping them with!"

These posts are pathetic, do you believe if these kids waited until they were seniors they would not have been some who would have transferred. Look at kids who are seniors in high school right now , you think these kids who are desperately waiting to hear if they made it into their top choice are better equipped to make the decision as to what school to go to. Many of these early commits are mature kids whose parents were very involved in their decisions. It gets really old when all you experts know whats best for everybodys kids . Just sounds like your kid did not get the looks these kids did and you are jealous.

What's pathetic is you attacking someone for posting a well thought out comment. Early commitments and high transfer rates among lacrosse players and college athletes as a whole is a huge topic right now.
Keep your snarky comments out of it and stick to the topic.

I was speaking with a HS AD this weekend and he said he is seeing and hearing from other AD's that too many of the early committed kids are just now finding out that they can not get accepted into the school academically. Also that their parents can't afford to send them to the school because the 20-25% athletic award with no academic $ makes it too expensive to send them to the school they committed to in 10th grade. It something for parents to start looking into when the coaches start calling. Try asking the coach what the % of girls that commit actually finish with a degree and stay on the team for all four years.

Thank you so much, that makes sense. Some of my friends are giving verbals to D1 schools and are good lacrosse players but below average grade wise so it's confusing to figure out, one even failed summer school.

You can be the best lacrosse player in the country but if you are a box of rocks in the classroom you will never play past HS. It happens every year....a kid starts in the fall in a college and fails out before spring season .

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I was speaking with a HS AD this weekend and he said he is seeing and hearing from other AD's that too many of the early committed kids are just now finding out that they can not get accepted into the school academically. Also that their parents can't afford to send them to the school because the 20-25% athletic award with no academic $ makes it too expensive to send them to the school they committed to in 10th grade. It something for parents to start looking into when the coaches start calling. Try asking the coach what the % of girls that commit actually finish with a degree and stay on the team for all four years. [/quote]

Thank you so much, that makes sense. Some of my friends are giving verbals to D1 schools and are good lacrosse players but below average grade wise so it's confusing to figure out, one even failed summer school. [/quote]

This happens more than you think, tell me how great that $60k school looks with only a .25 athletic and is now still over $40k because they got squat for academics? Don't ever plan on a great ROI on travel fees paid in. If you are planning on that you will be disappointed. Play because you love it and don't just pick a school based on lacrosse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"What's pathetic is you attacking someone for posting a well thought out comment. Early commitments and high transfer rates among lacrosse players and college athletes as a whole is a huge topic right now.
Keep your snarky comments out of it and stick to the topic."

Have not seen that early commits have high transfer rates, or that lacrosse players have higher transfer rates compared to other athletes. You are acting as if this is a proven fact based on a few examples cited by one poster and that seems like a bunch of nonsense, snarky or not. What is the topic exactly , I know a few kids who did not commit early and waited it out only to be let down not getting into any of their top choices .

Listen, this forum is here for discussion. You have constantly attacked posters and thrown the word "pathetic" around so much it's....well...pathetic. If you would like your comments posted simply discuss the topics. Enough said.

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"What's pathetic is you attacking someone for posting a well thought out comment. Early commitments and high transfer rates among lacrosse players and college athletes as a whole is a huge topic right now.
Keep your snarky comments out of it and stick to the topic."

Have not seen that early commits have high transfer rates, or that lacrosse players have higher transfer rates compared to other athletes. You are acting as if this is a proven fact based on a few examples cited by one poster and that seems like a bunch of nonsense, snarky or not. What is the topic exactly , I know a few kids who did not commit early and waited it out only to be let down not getting into any of their top choices .

Listen, this forum is here for discussion. You have constantly attacked posters and thrown the word "pathetic" around so much it's....well...pathetic. If you would like your comments posted simply discuss the topics. Enough said.

Fair enough. Have never seen a study before but these arguments against early recruiting do not seem to have any actual facts behind them. Do non athletes who decided what college they will be attending senior year transfer from their selected schools, do some of these kids do poorly academically
once they are free from the oversight of mommy and daddy? Is it at a greater percent than kids who were early commits , who knows. My kid plays YJ , have not heard of anyone not going to a school they committed to because they did not meet the academic standards in high school( I am sure it has happened but certainly not common) that being said I know a non athlete who applied for early admission got accepted then goofed off so much that they were then denied.Do I think the early committing is a good thing , no , do I think that most of these kids will do just fine , yes.

This forum serves one purpose and one purpose only... to slander, gossip, judge and make people feel better about their situations by bashing others. Argue this post(because you will) but it serves NO OTHER PURPOSE! There is nothing of any value that anyone learns from BOTC! NOTHING! ZERO!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum serves one purpose and one purpose only... to slander, gossip, judge and make people feel better about their situations by bashing others. Argue this post(because you will) but it serves NO OTHER PURPOSE! There is nothing of any value that anyone learns from BOTC! NOTHING! ZERO!

And you are here because?...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum serves one purpose and one purpose only... to slander, gossip, judge and make people feel better about their situations by bashing others. Argue this post(because you will) but it serves NO OTHER PURPOSE! There is nothing of any value that anyone learns from BOTC! NOTHING! ZERO!

I will argue that your words are simply an attempt to create drama. You are welcome to go away and not subject yourself to the firestorm of badness you described above. Happy Trails to you......

I will say the college kids doing the coaching is getting old. There is little to no instruction at practice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I will say the college kids doing the coaching is getting old. There is little to no instruction at practice.

Agree, nobody can think this is a good thing but is probably cheaper. Go look at some of the top clubs. HS coaches from top programs who stay with the same team from inception thru graduation. Even for the "B" teams in most cases.

In a perfect scenario there would be qualified adult coaches without personal interest ( a daughter or sister ) in the team who would start with a team early at its inception and see it through till the end.

I don't think any club has this to any great extent, the YJ would certainly be in the forefront of this. The TG would be well served if they invested in better coaches and moved away from the college kid formula.

It's hard to turn down money but I also believe there should only be two teams per age group, keep it smaller concentrate on the kinds who make these teams, get them better. If an atmosphere is created where demand for a spot is greater than the 50 available spots the cost for entry to the club could increase and high pay given to those "top" adult coaches without a personal interst in the team

Just my .02 cents

Even with the above, I am still a big supporter of the club and I have had nothing but a Great experience with the club and the directors....

For those that are critical of SS coaching ability, today is the first Hofstra game of the season, and this is her first season with the girls she personally recruited....
Let's watch and see how they do...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For those that are critical of SS coaching ability, today is the first Hofstra game of the season, and this is her first season with the girls she personally recruited....
Let's watch and see how they do...

SS did not recruit the seniors on her team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For those that are critical of SS coaching ability, today is the first Hofstra game of the season, and this is her first season with the girls she personally recruited....
Let's watch and see how they do...

SS did not recruit the seniors on her team.

Thank you Captain Obvious, if this is her first recruiting class, then she hasn't recruited the Juniors or Sophomores either....

Firstly, I think more of the critism is more that she is non existent during the tg season. She may be fine with her girls at hofstra but not on her TG teams. There are girls on her team since the beginning that have never been coached by her. The whole situation is horrible. Her main focus is Definately her hofstra team and looking like a superstar funding hofstra program through all the Tg parents that have their blinders on or if your in one of the few teams she does show her face and coach on. It's a scam!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In a perfect scenario there would be qualified adult coaches without personal interest ( a daughter or sister ) in the team who would start with a team early at its inception and see it through till the end.

I don't think any club has this to any great extent, the YJ would certainly be in the forefront of this. The TG would be well served if they invested in better coaches and moved away from the college kid formula.

It's hard to turn down money but I also believe there should only be two teams per age group, keep it smaller concentrate on the kinds who make these teams, get them better. If an atmosphere is created where demand for a spot is greater than the 50 available spots the cost for entry to the club could increase and high pay given to those "top" adult coaches without a personal interst in the team

Just my .02 cents

Even with the above, I am still a big supporter of the club and I have had nothing but a Great experience with the club and the directors....

Take a look at M&D's website, it's exactly what you are describing. Only two teams at each age and every one is coached by a HS coach, many of the assistant coaches are HS coaches too. The model can and does work. I don't think college kids are necessarily bad coaches but you lack coaching continuity through the kids years at TG. I assume the problem is they cost more.

[quote=Anonymous]Firstly, I think more of the critism is more that she is non existent during the tg season. She may be fine with her girls at hofstra but not on her TG teams. There are girls on her team since the beginning that have never been coached by her. The whole situation is horrible. Her main focus is Definately her hofstra team and looking like a superstar funding hofstra program through all the Tg parents that have their blinders on or if your in one of the few teams she does show her face and coach on. It's a scam!!!

My girls have been with TG for a few years now and I can say that we have received everything we signed up for. Competitive tournaments,practices overseen by SS,and help with recruiting. Certainly did not get scammed. What did you think you were getting when you signed up ? Individual training ? A team bus ? Maybe a ride to practice ? It is what is. Travel lax nothing more ,nothing less/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In a perfect scenario there would be qualified adult coaches without personal interest ( a daughter or sister ) in the team who would start with a team early at its inception and see it through till the end.

I don't think any club has this to any great extent, the YJ would certainly be in the forefront of this. The TG would be well served if they invested in better coaches and moved away from the college kid formula.

It's hard to turn down money but I also believe there should only be two teams per age group, keep it smaller concentrate on the kinds who make these teams, get them better. If an atmosphere is created where demand for a spot is greater than the 50 available spots the cost for entry to the club could increase and high pay given to those "top" adult coaches without a personal interst in the team

Just my .02 cents

Even with the above, I am still a big supporter of the club and I have had nothing but a Great experience with the club and the directors....

Take a look at M&D's website, it's exactly what you are describing. Only two teams at each age and every one is coached by a HS coach, many of the assistant coaches are HS coaches too. The model can and does work. I don't think college kids are necessarily bad coaches but you lack coaching continuity through the kids years at TG. I assume the problem is they cost more.

Most, if not all the M&D kids attend 20K/year private schools/lax factories coached by the same people and money is not an object for them - the coaches are getting paid one way or the other on both ends (club & school), I know that you would be happy to pay twice what it currently cost if this model was used here, but most people don't see it that way

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In a perfect scenario there would be qualified adult coaches without personal interest ( a daughter or sister ) in the team who would start with a team early at its inception and see it through till the end.

I don't think any club has this to any great extent, the YJ would certainly be in the forefront of this. The TG would be well served if they invested in better coaches and moved away from the college kid formula.

It's hard to turn down money but I also believe there should only be two teams per age group, keep it smaller concentrate on the kinds who make these teams, get them better. If an atmosphere is created where demand for a spot is greater than the 50 available spots the cost for entry to the club could increase and high pay given to those "top" adult coaches without a personal interst in the team

Just my .02 cents

Even with the above, I am still a big supporter of the club and I have had nothing but a Great experience with the club and the directors....

Take a look at M&D's website, it's exactly what you are describing. Only two teams at each age and every one is coached by a HS coach, many of the assistant coaches are HS coaches too. The model can and does work. I don't think college kids are necessarily bad coaches but you lack coaching continuity through the kids years at TG. I assume the problem is they cost more.

Most, if not all the M&D kids attend 20K/year private schools/lax factories coached by the same people and money is not an object for them - the coaches are getting paid one way or the other on both ends (club & school), I know that you would be happy to pay twice what it currently cost if this model was used here, but most people don't see it that way

Look at the site, about $2000/year HS, $1800 MS/Elementary for a full fall and summer schedule. You say you pay half (900-1000) per year, dues plus tourney fees including 4-5 fall tournaments? I don't think so....and they play in better tournaments too. Check out Skywalkers, Steps, Capital, etc...they all do the same thing. Sounds like you prefer it this way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For those that are critical of SS coaching ability, today is the first Hofstra game of the season, and this is her first season with the girls she personally recruited....
Let's watch and see how they do...

SS did not recruit the seniors on her team.

Hofstra Won BTW...

Great win for Hofstra!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In a perfect scenario there would be qualified adult coaches without personal interest ( a daughter or sister ) in the team who would start with a team early at its inception and see it through till the end.

I don't think any club has this to any great extent, the YJ would certainly be in the forefront of this. The TG would be well served if they invested in better coaches and moved away from the college kid formula.

It's hard to turn down money but I also believe there should only be two teams per age group, keep it smaller concentrate on the kinds who make these teams, get them better. If an atmosphere is created where demand for a spot is greater than the 50 available spots the cost for entry to the club could increase and high pay given to those "top" adult coaches without a personal interst in the team

Just my .02 cents

Even with the above, I am still a big supporter of the club and I have had nothing but a Great experience with the club and the directors....

liberty has only 2 teams per age, but they don't have the coaches.

What the previous poster meant was that many of those M&D kids go to private schools from 1st to 12th (Mcdonough as an example). HS alone costs $28K a year...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For those that are critical of SS coaching ability, today is the first Hofstra game of the season, and this is her first season with the girls she personally recruited....
Let's watch and see how they do...

SS did not recruit the seniors on her team.

Thank you Captain Obvious, if this is her first recruiting class, then she hasn't recruited the Juniors or Sophomores either....

This is her third year, how could it be her first class? The prior post was talking about all 4 classes being her recruits for the first time but the seniors are not. Do at least a bit of homework before taking shots at someone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great win for Hofstra!

Not a shot at Hofstra or coach, but "great" should probably be reserved for a win against someone other than New Hampshire...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great win for Hofstra!

Not a shot at Hofstra or coach, but "great" should probably be reserved for a win against someone other than New Hampshire...

Hofstra may get slightly better than pre-SS. That's due to a better pipeline of influence from TG to get some decent players to go there. It is not the school to ever attract top players, so I doubt the team will ever break into the top 20. There is a massive drop in team strength from top 5 teams to those at or around 20 and yet again to the mid level teams. As far as her being a great coach, it is hard to judge by looking at her college experience. With the recruiting process often taking 2 three years before kids arrive as freshman, then four years to fill out all class with her recruits. It takes about 7
years for a collegiate program to become a full reflection of the coaches ability. If she coaches and recruits well you should see some early improvement with new impact freshmen coming in. If she is seriously making a career of college coaching, Hofstra would likely be a stepping stone to better lax schools where she could attract top talent and be a relevant contender.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great win for Hofstra!

Not a shot at Hofstra or coach, but "great" should probably be reserved for a win against someone other than New Hampshire...

Hofstra may get slightly better than pre-SS. That's due to a better pipeline of influence from TG to get some decent players to go there. It is not the school to ever attract top players, so I doubt the team will ever break into the top 20. There is a massive drop in team strength from top 5 teams to those at or around 20 and yet again to the mid level teams. As far as her being a great coach, it is hard to judge by looking at her college experience. With the recruiting process often taking 2 three years before kids arrive as freshman, then four years to fill out all class with her recruits. It takes about 7
years for a collegiate program to become a full reflection of the coaches ability. If she coaches and recruits well you should see some early improvement with new impact freshmen coming in. If she is seriously making a career of college coaching, Hofstra would likely be a stepping stone to better lax schools where she could attract top talent and be a relevant contender.

It will always be about the talent and not so much her coaching.
I could coach YJ Blue, just roll out the ball and sub. The big name schools are a magnet for the best players. Mid level schools it's more about recruiting than coaching

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great win for Hofstra!

Not a shot at Hofstra or coach, but "great" should probably be reserved for a win against someone other than New Hampshire...

Hofstra may get slightly better than pre-SS. That's due to a better pipeline of influence from TG to get some decent players to go there. It is not the school to ever attract top players, so I doubt the team will ever break into the top 20. There is a massive drop in team strength from top 5 teams to those at or around 20 and yet again to the mid level teams. As far as her being a great coach, it is hard to judge by looking at her college experience. With the recruiting process often taking 2 three years before kids arrive as freshman, then four years to fill out all class with her recruits. It takes about 7
years for a collegiate program to become a full reflection of the coaches ability. If she coaches and recruits well you should see some early improvement with new impact freshmen coming in. If she is seriously making a career of college coaching, Hofstra would likely be a stepping stone to better lax schools where she could attract top talent and be a relevant contender.

If it takes 7 years, there may not be a program. The current players do not like SS. She has created a very unhealthy environment at Hofstra. Just ask current players how much they like playing for her.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great win for Hofstra!

Not a shot at Hofstra or coach, but "great" should probably be reserved for a win against someone other than New Hampshire...

Hofstra may get slightly better than pre-SS. That's due to a better pipeline of influence from TG to get some decent players to go there. It is not the school to ever attract top players, so I doubt the team will ever break into the top 20. There is a massive drop in team strength from top 5 teams to those at or around 20 and yet again to the mid level teams. As far as her being a great coach, it is hard to judge by looking at her college experience. With the recruiting process often taking 2 three years before kids arrive as freshman, then four years to fill out all class with her recruits. It takes about 7
years for a collegiate program to become a full reflection of the coaches ability. If she coaches and recruits well you should see some early improvement with new impact freshmen coming in. If she is seriously making a career of college coaching, Hofstra would likely be a stepping stone to better lax schools where she could attract top talent and be a relevant contender.

If it takes 7 years, there may not be a program. The current players do not like SS. She has created a very unhealthy environment at Hofstra. Just ask current players how much they like playing for her.

Please enlighten us.. How is the environment unhealthy? What issues do the current players have w SS.

Very few D1 coaches are loved, the coach and players are under extreme pressure to win and win often. If you daughter is looking for a warm fuzzy coach go to an unranked D3 program where the coach has been there forever.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For those that are critical of SS coaching ability, today is the first Hofstra game of the season, and this is her first season with the girls she personally recruited....
Let's watch and see how they do...

SS did not recruit the seniors on her team.

Thank you Captain Obvious, if this is her first recruiting class, then she hasn't recruited the Juniors or Sophomores either....

This is her third year, how could it be her first class? The prior post was talking about all 4 classes being her recruits for the first time but the seniors are not. Do at least a bit of homework before taking shots at someone.

Exactly, this is her third year as head coach... The prior two years recruits were "signed" by the previous head coach. The freshman class this year (Shannon's third ) was personally recruited by Her. I'm not sure what you don't see.....
There may have been a transfer or two that Shannon influenced in coming to Hofstra in the previous years but this is her first recruiting year...5m9

WOW, cannot think of any other job where you get 7 years before people expect results. Imagine in the NFL if coaches were given that much of a cushion.Sorry but she is a coach , if she is a good coach you should be seeing immediate results with the kids that are there.

Hofstra finished 2014 ranked 39 with stony brook at #8

Hofstra is playing the 46th strongest schedule in the country this year with a projection to be in the top 25 ranking.

If they crack the top 25 she is doing great!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hofstra finished 2014 ranked 39 with stony brook at #8

Hofstra is playing the 46th strongest schedule in the country this year with a projection to be in the top 25 ranking.

If they crack the top 25 she is doing great!

A young woman has been given a chance to Coach A D-1 team right out of College. What could she done to you for you to want her to fail. Hofstra was willing to take a chance on her so be it. This I think will be her 3rd Season, maybe she will succeed, maybe be she won't, But isn't great she was given the opportunity try?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hofstra finished 2014 ranked 39 with stony brook at #8

Hofstra is playing the 46th strongest schedule in the country this year with a projection to be in the top 25 ranking.

If they crack the top 25 she is doing great!

A young woman has been given a chance to Coach A D-1 team right out of College. What could she done to you for you to want her to fail. Hofstra was willing to take a chance on her so be it. This I think will be her 3rd Season, maybe she will succeed, maybe be she won't, But isn't great she was given the opportunity try?

How does "doing great!" translate into wanting her to fail?

Listen. The problem here is simple. Shannon and Bill sold everyone on Top Guns by promoting Shannon as the marquis personality. She has been more than absent for most of the girls and their teams and that makes people mad. The teams are coached by college kids that don't stay with the teams year after year and don't do much instructing. That makes the quality of each girls experience suffer. There is also almost no recruiting help unless you are a top 5 kid or a special project of Bill or Shannon.
All these things are not said to hammer the TGs. They are all factual and issues that upset people. I will also say that we are switching clubs because of it. Just our preference. I'm sure many will stay but many will leave as well. Free market system right. My advice is to lack at all the clubs and what they have to offer then choose. TG without Shannon... not good for us. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Listen. The problem here is simple. Shannon and Bill sold everyone on Top Guns by promoting Shannon as the marquis personality. She has been more than absent for most of the girls and their teams and that makes people mad. The teams are coached by college kids that don't stay with the teams year after year and don't do much instructing. That makes the quality of each girls experience suffer. There is also almost no recruiting help unless you are a top 5 kid or a special project of Bill or Shannon.
All these things are not said to hammer the TGs. They are all factual and issues that upset people. I will also say that we are switching clubs because of it. Just our preference. I'm sure many will stay but many will leave as well. Free market system right. My advice is to lack at all the clubs and what they have to offer then choose. TG without Shannon... not good for us. Good luck.

Go back to your yj thread

Why does everything have up dp with Yj. I have never met such a big bunch of people that are so stupid. You guys have your head in the sand. You will get nothibg from tg's unless you kiss a little [lacrosse]. Get ready!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WOW, cannot think of any other job where you get 7 years before people expect results. Imagine in the NFL if coaches were given that much of a cushion.Sorry but she is a coach , if she is a good coach you should be seeing immediate results with the kids that are there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WOW, cannot think of any other job where you get 7 years before people expect results. Imagine in the NFL if coaches were given that much of a cushion.Sorry but she is a coach , if she is a good coach you should be seeing immediate results with the kids that are there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WOW, cannot think of any other job where you get 7 years before people expect results. Imagine in the NFL if coaches were given that much of a cushion.Sorry but she is a coach , if she is a good coach you should be seeing immediate results with the kids that are there.

She had an excellent year in her 1st year at Hofstra. Beating Towson in season and losing in Conference finals. Solid... Bit of a sophomore slump last year. They will be solid again this year. Shannon, like Spallina will always have a problem drawing cream of the crop LI talent. Same as Men's programs at those schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What the previous poster meant was that many of those M&D kids go to private schools from 1st to 12th (Mcdonough as an example). HS alone costs $28K a year...

What in the world does attending private school have to do with any club's ability to recruit successful HS coaches, keep those coaches for years and maintain coaching continuity throughout the kid's club career? And doing it for a relatively reasonable price. I would agree if these other clubs charged double but they don't, they charge roughly the same fees. You should expect more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why does everything have up dp with Yj. I have never met such a big bunch of people that are so stupid. You guys have your head in the sand. You will get nothibg from tg's unless you kiss a little [lacrosse]. Get ready!

And you think things are any different at YJ?? Please, the blue team isn't an "[lacrosse] kissing" group?? Sure OK!!!

The lacrosse community in a whole is a bunch of stuck up , cry baby , ******** get a grip on reality and give your daughters a good education. You all are looked at as cowards.

Very bad experience with the top gun family. my daughter was injured during her high school season an wasn't able to play during the travel season in fact never attended a single practice. Smith didn't refund a single penny. Beware its all about the money to them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very bad experience with the top gun family. my daughter was injured during her high school season an wasn't able to play during the travel season in fact never attended a single practice. Smith didn't refund a single penny. Beware its all about the money to them.

This happened to a girl on my daughters team a couple of years ago with different results. She was given a credit and offered her spot back on the same team the next year. Sounds fair to me.

to be clear, you directly asked him / her for a refund and they told you No?

Congrats to TG players!!

http://usatodayhss.com/2015/american-family-insurance-all-usa-preseason-girls-lacrosse-team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very bad experience with the top gun family. my daughter was injured during her high school season an wasn't able to play during the travel season in fact never attended a single practice. Smith didn't refund a single penny. Beware its all about the money to them.

I have heard similar stories from YJ and Elevate as well as numerous boys clubs. And yes they all are about the money. But I doubt you had a conversation with BS because they do refund some in this case.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very bad experience with the top gun family. my daughter was injured during her high school season an wasn't able to play during the travel season in fact never attended a single practice. Smith didn't refund a single penny. Beware its all about the money to them.

I have heard similar stories from YJ and Elevate as well as numerous boys clubs. And yes they all are about the money. But I doubt you had a conversation with BS because they do refund some in this case.

They probably left the next year and then wanted the money back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to TG players!!

http://usatodayhss.com/2015/american-family-insurance-all-usa-preseason-girls-lacrosse-team

All 1 of them!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to TG players!!

http://usatodayhss.com/2015/american-family-insurance-all-usa-preseason-girls-lacrosse-team

All 1 of them!

You should learn to read before you go ahead an respond to something

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to TG players!!

http://usatodayhss.com/2015/american-family-insurance-all-usa-preseason-girls-lacrosse-team

All 1 of them!

why do Yellow jacket parents have to be so nasty and obnoxious, this is why people hate the club, and anybody involved with it. You are not better, just nasty ugly people

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to TG players!!

http://usatodayhss.com/2015/american-family-insurance-all-usa-preseason-girls-lacrosse-team

All 1 of them!

Garden City? Thought you all had more class than that.

Excuses excuses. Get a life!!!!!! The man is not fair!!!!! Doesn't do the right thing!!!! Your better off the trash guns!!!

Its getting ugly more 2019 and 2020 black players wanting to leave ,some are even checking out Elevate, the house is falling apart. Now with SS looking to move there will be nothing left.

Where is SS looking to move to.?

I can not believe somebody bit

Get a life!!! You sound soooo miserable!!

Person had it right TRASH GUNS!!! Stay on your team and stay away from other teams. They don't need you. Stay on trash guns. Quite funny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its getting ugly more 2019 and 2020 black players wanting to leave ,some are even checking out Elevate, the house is falling apart. Now with SS looking to move there will be nothing left.

Top Gun girls have already left for Elevaye.........

She's looking to move to California. That's what I heard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is SS looking to move to.?

I think her and CR are merging and making both programs into a non for profit organization. All proceeds will be donated to breast cancer research. I could be mistaken

Amonte has announced her retirement at Northwestern, SS going back to take squad in spring of 17

One of the YJ directors is favorite to backfill at Hofstra

[quote=Anonymous]Amonte has announced her retirement at Northwestern, SS going back to take squad in spring of 17

One of the YJ directors is favorite to backfill at Hofstra [/

And where did you gather that information?

Are these new "rumors" the YJ response to someone bringing up unfounded "rumors about Tracy and Carolin the YJ thread?

C'mom

Top guns site is down. Anyone else having this issue?

TG site is not down. It is up and running. Possibly an individual issue.

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is SS looking to move to.?

I think her and CR are merging and making both programs into a non for profit organization. All proceeds will be donated to breast cancer research. I could be mistaken

From a YJ parent I have to give it to you very funny.

Originally Posted by The Hop

TG site is not down. It is up and running. Possibly an individual issue.

Just checked. Partially loading, looks like the are updating parts of it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

TG site is not down. It is up and running. Possibly an individual issue.

Just checked. Partially loading, looks like the are updating parts of it.

The ridiculous post from the out of towner has been deleted. Eh.

It is down for me.

looks like it is working...the only thing that I could not see was the 2017 roster

Originally Posted by Anonymous

looks like it is working...the only thing that I could not see was the 2017 roster

Didn't the 2017 roster keep getting pulled down and reposted last year?

Hofstra vs Maryland 1pm this Sat at Hofstra

Go Cheer for LI, it'll be cold, but you can see Taylor Cummings, a true do it all middie, play.. until Md is up by 10 goals

Ask your club why they are not getting invited to some of the best events (e.g., Elite 120 in January, G8 Tournament in July). G8 tournament is 10 of the best club teams in the country - YJs, STEPS, Capital Lacrosse, Hero's, M&D, Maryland United, Rebels, Skywalkers, TLC, and South Jersey Select - with no other teams invited. College coaches will flock to this event. Website is (http://g8lacrosse.com/), and close as it is in NJ. If I were paying TG for my kid to play on a team, I would want to know why the club is not getting invited to these events.

This is taken from the G* website..

"The Nike G8 is a Yellow Jacket / STEPS Lacrosse production"

Gee I wonder why they dont invite the TopGuns????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ask your club why they are not getting invited to some of the best events (e.g., Elite 120 in January, G8 Tournament in July). G8 tournament is 10 of the best club teams in the country - YJs, STEPS, Capital Lacrosse, Hero's, M&D, Maryland United, Rebels, Skywalkers, TLC, and South Jersey Select - with no other teams invited. College coaches will flock to this event. Website is (http://g8lacrosse.com/), and close as it is in NJ. If I were paying TG for my kid to play on a team, I would want to know why the club is not getting invited to these events.

Ask yourself why you care .

if you need to know why TG was not invited, then you have not been paying attention

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go Cheer for LI, it'll be cold, but you can see Taylor Cummings, a true do it all middie, play.. until Md is up by 10 goals

Showcase format, that's gotta be dissapointing to some.

Rebels and Maryland United? Neither one is that good. This is obviously a quid pro quo situation. YJ, Heros, M&D, etc I can see, but Rebels and Md United? Geez.

Anyone still having trouble with the TG website? Works sometimes and other times not.

Must be your computer. It works on my end.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rebels and Maryland United? Neither one is that good. This is obviously a quid pro quo situation. YJ, Heros, M&D, etc I can see, but Rebels and Md United? Geez.

You forgot to mention TLC, Skwalkers, and STEPs in addition to YJ, M&D and Heros. Maybe minus NEMS, pretty much the top teams in the country.

Where have you heard that Yj is a top team in the country? Please send me a link.

so at todays training no BS no SS. Two coaches there who ate bagels and texted. 3 goalies having a catch with each other which quite frankly they can do at home waste of time

Not fair, most practices at all the clubs are shuttles and wall ball that you could do at home.

I didn't forget those teams. I think they're better than Md United and surely better than Rebels. TLC is no powerhouse either. Not sure who deemed these teams the "top" ones in the country. Oh wait...YJ/STEPS did. And, guess who is in this little play day? Yep...YJ and STEPS, plus (obviously) their close friends. M&D is really good. STEPS? Are you kidding me? Skywalkers is pretty good at some age groups. TLC is okay at one or two age groups. The others...blah. The group of organizers of this little play day forgot TG, Integrity, Bearlax, Eagle Stix and I'm sure a few others. All really good clubs. If you want a play day with the best teams, then invite the best teams, not your friends teams. This play day is a sham.

Reach out to BS or SS and let them know, I'm sure they wouldn't be happy about hearing that. I've seen him get on some of the "coaches" for not moving things along during the first session.
He certainly won't read about here. I found the training a good value, less than $20 a pop..even if it's just having a catch it's more then they can do home in the snow

Come on. Really bagels and texting and the leaky dirty dome. I've had enough!!! Bet your [lacrosse] I'm saying something. This only confirms what everyone has been saying about us. It's embarrassing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

so at todays training no BS no SS. Two coaches there who ate bagels and texted. 3 goalies having a catch with each other which quite frankly they can do at home waste of time

They were not there because they had the U15 tryouts .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I didn't forget those teams. I think they're better than Md United and surely better than Rebels. TLC is no powerhouse either. Not sure who deemed these teams the "top" ones in the country. Oh wait...YJ/STEPS did. And, guess who is in this little play day? Yep...YJ and STEPS, plus (obviously) their close friends. M&D is really good. STEPS? Are you kidding me? Skywalkers is pretty good at some age groups. TLC is okay at one or two age groups. The others...blah. The group of organizers of this little play day forgot TG, Integrity, Bearlax, Eagle Stix and I'm sure a few others. All really good clubs. If you want a play day with the best teams, then invite the best teams, not your friends teams. This play day is a sham.

Integrity, Bearlax and Eagle Stix? Really?? I've never seen them in an "A" bracket of any tournament. At least Mass Elite, Lady Roc, Express, TG and some other clubs actually appear in the top brackets of some tourneys. "B" team parent?

any word on today's U15 tryouts?

The winter training has been fine. Moving stick work, shooting, weaves, 2v1, 3v2 situational play. When Shannon is there - and she usually is - it runs efficiently and offers solid instruction - and I am a tough critic. As far as the leaky bubble, ...well things happen. with the weather we have had this winter there has been some flooding in that area and parking lot. I would sign up my daughter for this again in a heartbeat.

someone tell us about u15 tryouts

No, not a B teamparent. BearLax is the best team in CA. VERY athletic. EagleStix from GA. Again very athletic. Integrity from MD. All of these teams have played in A brackets. Mass Elite is a typical Mass team...average. Lady Roc got abused by Integrity at last summers LI Classic at Hofstra. Do your homework YJ parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Come on. Really bagels and texting and the leaky dirty dome. I've had enough!!! Bet your [lacrosse] I'm saying something. This only confirms what everyone has been saying about us. It's embarrassing.

The 7 ad 8 am training were fine yesterday. Ran well, well organized.

so was the 10am slot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I didn't forget those teams. I think they're better than Md United and surely better than Rebels. TLC is no powerhouse either. Not sure who deemed these teams the "top" ones in the country. Oh wait...YJ/STEPS did. And, guess who is in this little play day? Yep...YJ and STEPS, plus (obviously) their close friends. M&D is really good. STEPS? Are you kidding me? Skywalkers is pretty good at some age groups. TLC is okay at one or two age groups. The others...blah. The group of organizers of this little play day forgot TG, Integrity, Bearlax, Eagle Stix and I'm sure a few others. All really good clubs. If you want a play day with the best teams, then invite the best teams, not your friends teams. This play day is a sham.

You are making yourself look silly. TG at 2018? Really? Not in the same class. Eagle Stix? Got blown out in the Fall tournaments by YJs, STEPS, and others. And don't have a dog in the fight as I live in LI, but STEPS has 18 2017s committed to good schools (look at their website), not sure where you are getting your assessment from.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, not a B teamparent. BearLax is the best team in CA. VERY athletic. EagleStix from GA. Again very athletic. Integrity from MD. All of these teams have played in A brackets. Mass Elite is a typical Mass team...average. Lady Roc got abused by Integrity at last summers LI Classic at Hofstra. Do your homework YJ parent.

you are embarrassing yourself the mroe you write. Must not have seen the top brackets this past summer and this fall. Probably b/c TG has not been in any I have seen. Your knowledge is very dated, fact.

The fact that TG and YJ are putting themselves in the same status of "best in the country" is hilarious.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, not a B teamparent. BearLax is the best team in CA. VERY athletic. EagleStix from GA. Again very athletic. Integrity from MD. All of these teams have played in A brackets. Mass Elite is a typical Mass team...average. Lady Roc got abused by Integrity at last summers LI Classic at Hofstra. Do your homework YJ parent.

They've never played in an "A" bracket of a "Real" tournament. Fact. Atleast some of the other clubs mentioned have. Who cares how "VERY Athletic" they are, who have they ever beat? Teams 7-10 are filler anyway, no grad year goes more than 6 contenders deep. With a few exceptions, M&D, Capital, YJ and Skywalkers nail down 4 of those spots.

You're a YJ parent, I presume? Your condesending attitude gives you away.

And, what's a "real" tournament as viewed from the perspective of the omnipotent YJ Parent that we are so lucky to have amongst us? Let me save you the trouble...it's a tournament that a YJ team was in. Right?

Fact!

Did 2019 play each other this past weekend?????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And, what's a "real" tournament as viewed from the perspective of the omnipotent YJ Parent that we are so lucky to have amongst us? Let me save you the trouble...it's a tournament that a YJ team was in. Right?

Real tournament is championship format and has 2 or 3 of the following clubs top teams, MD, YJ, STEPS, SKYWALKERS, HEROES,CAPITAL. If TG wants to be involved in that group they will need to step it up as in no age group do they have the best team on LI.

Don't know about other age groups but 2016 black beat everyone of those teams this past summer with the exception of M&D and STEPS who l do not think they played.also believe they had wins at 2018 and 2020 against those teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't know about other age groups but 2016 black beat everyone of those teams this past summer with the exception of M&D and STEPS who l do not think they played.also believe they had wins at 2018 and 2020 against those teams

They never played Steps lost to M&D by 1 or 2 at one of the June showcases

OK...I can't help myself. Why is a championship format tournament a "real" tournament? For a club team, what does winning a summer club tournament do for you? I can answer that...NOTHING. College coaches do not care who wins and loses. They don't even know the score. They are there to watch particular players for recruiting purposes. It sounds like it means more to you than it does the college coaches. Anybody that has any real knowledge of the club team/college recruiting process knows this. Your lack of knowledge of the process is starting to show. You're embarrassing yourself. If you don't believe me, ask your YJ recruiting coordinator.

According to Mr YJ, a showcase format tournament is not a "real" tournament. Little does he know, but as the girls get to their last two summers, most tournaments are showcase format, to showcase the player's talents (which is the whole purpose of playing club lax). This guy is now making himself look silly. Embarrassing. Fact! LOL!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And, what's a "real" tournament as viewed from the perspective of the omnipotent YJ Parent that we are so lucky to have amongst us? Let me save you the trouble...it's a tournament that a YJ team was in. Right?

Real tournament is championship format and has 2 or 3 of the following clubs top teams, MD, YJ, STEPS, SKYWALKERS, HEROES,CAPITAL. If TG wants to be involved in that group they will need to step it up as in no age group do they have the best team on LI.

TG 2020 for top team on LI

According to the YJ website, none of their teams are participating in any of the IWLCA tournaments. Why not? There's lots of really good competition from all over the country. Interesting.

You hitting the bottle again? 2020 top team just say what you're typing and if you believe it check yourself into a psych ward.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't know about other age groups but 2016 black beat everyone of those teams this past summer with the exception of M&D and STEPS who l do not think they played.also believe they had wins at 2018 and 2020 against those teams

This is the issue , your 2016 TG team is 1-5 against YJ ,yes the won at the first tournament of the year in a showcase against essentially a mixed YJ team as many were upstate playing for their high school teams. Your TG team has never won a significant tournament with 2 or more of those teams involved . Generally now you have someone mention the U15 which is not a 2016 tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

According to the YJ website, none of their teams are participating in any of the IWLCA tournaments. Why not? There's lots of really good competition from all over the country. Interesting.

Because there is no money in it for CR.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK...I can't help myself. Why is a championship format tournament a "real" tournament? For a club team, what does winning a summer club tournament do for you? I can answer that...NOTHING. College coaches do not care who wins and loses. They don't even know the score. They are there to watch particular players for recruiting purposes. It sounds like it means more to you than it does the college coaches. Anybody that has any real knowledge of the club team/college recruiting process knows this. Your lack of knowledge of the process is starting to show. You're embarrassing yourself. If you don't believe me, ask your YJ recruiting coordinator.

Try to follow along the discussion started with trying to determine what the best teams are in the country , in order to determine the best teams in the country you really need to have championship tournaments. You act as if college coaches do not attend championship tournaments which just shows your lack of knowledge. Do college coaches care who wins , not really, do they take notice of who wins , yes they do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You hitting the bottle again? 2020 top team just say what you're typing and if you believe it check yourself into a psych ward.

How can you guys even evaluate a top 2020 team yet? Several of the top programs don;t even have an A and a B team yet. By 8th grade or freshman summer you can make that claim, but not now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

According to Mr YJ, a showcase format tournament is not a "real" tournament. Little does he know, but as the girls get to their last two summers, most tournaments are showcase format, to showcase the player's talents (which is the whole purpose of playing club lax). This guy is now making himself look silly. Embarrassing. Fact! LOL!

The fact is many of the top YJ players are committed by their final two summers (other travel teams have this as well). Committed kids will generally not attend showcase tournaments. Unless all the top players from a team attend, it is difficult to say which team is the best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

According to the YJ website, none of their teams are participating in any of the IWLCA tournaments. Why not? There's lots of really good competition from all over the country. Interesting.

Because there is no money in it for CR.

BINGO!!!

This is the issue , your 2016 TG team is 1-5 against YJ ,yes the won at the first tournament of the year in a showcase against essentially a mixed YJ team as many were upstate playing for their high school teams. Your TG team has never won a significant tournament with 2 or more of those teams involved . Generally now you have someone mention the U15 which is not a 2016 tournament.

Not claiming that YJ is not the better team. Just responding to the poster who implied that TG did not belong in the group with those teams at any age group. you can't group those particular teams and not include TG at least no at 2016,2018 or 2020

I am the college liaison for our club team. Over the last 2 summers and 1 fall I have talked to over 100 different college coaches. I can tell you with 100% certainty that not one college coach said they know the score, know who won, etc. They don't care. The only people that care about wins and losses are over-zealous parents on LI.

In fairness, TG 2016 absolutely smoked YJ in last years fall "showcase". I think it surprised everyone since many of YJ's top players were there. If YJ is that good and that deep they should never get smoked like that. As for a few other showcase events they have played in I recall YJ subbing absolutely nobody and TG playing kids fairly evenly (rightly so since it was a showcase event) and only losing by 1-2 goals. To say that these 2016 teams are not very close in ability is very unfair. TG is not strong at many age groups but 2016 is a very good team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In fairness, TG 2016 absolutely smoked YJ in last years fall "showcase". I think it surprised everyone since many of YJ's top players were there. If YJ is that good and that deep they should never get smoked like that. As for a few other showcase events they have played in I recall YJ subbing absolutely nobody and TG playing kids fairly evenly (rightly so since it was a showcase event) and only losing by 1-2 goals. To say that these 2016 teams are not very close in ability is very unfair. TG is not strong at many age groups but 2016 is a very good team.

The facts are what they are ,your 2016 TG team is 1-5 against YJ. Every homer parent thinks that their team is subbing fairly and the other team is not when they lose, its human nature,I have fallen victim to it myself. It did not surprise YJ in the first spring tournament last year as they knew who they were missing and was not the only game they lost that weekend to a team that they had beaten every time in the past.It was a combo team with some kids from the 3rd level team. TG 2016 is a descent team but not in the top 5 ,again is what it is. It certainly would be a lot easier if both clubs owners were not so thick headed and they just played in leagues against each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am the college liaison for our club team. Over the last 2 summers and 1 fall I have talked to over 100 different college coaches. I can tell you with 100% certainty that not one college coach said they know the score, know who won, etc. They don't care. The only people that care about wins and losses are over-zealous parents on LI.

Amen, but is does help being on a top club team in the age group as they tend to get watched more often by the largest number of coaches. Doesn't mean you can't get recruting from a club that does not have a top program, just means it is probably a bit harder. Just look at the number of commits to top schools at the best clubs (M&D,YJs,NEMS, Capital,STEPS, Skywalkers, TLC, Heros, etc.)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am the college liaison for our club team. Over the last 2 summers and 1 fall I have talked to over 100 different college coaches. I can tell you with 100% certainty that not one college coach said they know the score, know who won, etc. They don't care. The only people that care about wins and losses are over-zealous parents on LI.

Amen, but is does help being on a top club team in the age group as they tend to get watched more often by the largest number of coaches. Doesn't mean you can't get recruting from a club that does not have a top program, just means it is probably a bit harder. Just look at the number of commits to top schools at the best clubs (M&D,YJs,NEMS, Capital,STEPS, Skywalkers, TLC, Heros, etc.)

Or count the number of coaches on the sidelines when you play one of those teams at a recruiting event vs. when you're beating up on Minnesota Elite. Coaches can only watch one game at a time so matchups between quality clubs provide more bang for their buck plus, every kid looks like a superstar against weak opponents.

Anyway, this whole discussion formed around "who are the top teams at age groups?", hard to figure how college coaches/recruiting got pulled into it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In fairness, TG 2016 absolutely smoked YJ in last years fall "showcase". I think it surprised everyone since many of YJ's top players were there. If YJ is that good and that deep they should never get smoked like that. As for a few other showcase events they have played in I recall YJ subbing absolutely nobody and TG playing kids fairly evenly (rightly so since it was a showcase event) and only losing by 1-2 goals. To say that these 2016 teams are not very close in ability is very unfair. TG is not strong at many age groups but 2016 is a very good team.

The facts are what they are ,your 2016 TG team is 1-5 against YJ. Every homer parent thinks that their team is subbing fairly and the other team is not when they lose, its human nature,I have fallen victim to it myself. It did not surprise YJ in the first spring tournament last year as they knew who they were missing and was not the only game they lost that weekend to a team that they had beaten every time in the past.It was a combo team with some kids from the 3rd level team. TG 2016 is a descent team but not in the top 5 ,again is what it is. It certainly would be a lot easier if both clubs owners were not so thick headed and they just played in leagues against each other.

Both teams (YJ 2016 and TG 2016) were at National Draw last year. Both played in the same bracket, Both teams beat Skywalkers Blue. Both teams were 4-0 in pool play.. YJ moved on due to tie breakers. That was the tournamnet where they should have played, that could have ended all this back and forth.. but someone set the brackets up so that only one of those teams would move on without having to play each other...oh and the YJ team knew exactly when TG gave up the goal and lost the tie breaker, YJ played keep away for the rest of their game never giving their opponent a chance to score..winning I think 4-0.. Some ones little brother ran from the TG field to Defo with the score as soon as it happend.. Congrats on winning your stick

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In fairness, TG 2016 absolutely smoked YJ in last years fall "showcase". I think it surprised everyone since many of YJ's top players were there. If YJ is that good and that deep they should never get smoked like that. As for a few other showcase events they have played in I recall YJ subbing absolutely nobody and TG playing kids fairly evenly (rightly so since it was a showcase event) and only losing by 1-2 goals. To say that these 2016 teams are not very close in ability is very unfair. TG is not strong at many age groups but 2016 is a very good team.

The facts are what they are ,your 2016 TG team is 1-5 against YJ. Every homer parent thinks that their team is subbing fairly and the other team is not when they lose, its human nature,I have fallen victim to it myself. It did not surprise YJ in the first spring tournament last year as they knew who they were missing and was not the only game they lost that weekend to a team that they had beaten every time in the past.It was a combo team with some kids from the 3rd level team. TG 2016 is a descent team but not in the top 5 ,again is what it is. It certainly would be a lot easier if both clubs owners were not so thick headed and they just played in leagues against each other.

Both teams (YJ 2016 and TG 2016) were at National Draw last year. Both played in the same bracket, Both teams beat Skywalkers Blue. Both teams were 4-0 in pool play.. YJ moved on due to tie breakers. That was the tournamnet where they should have played, that could have ended all this back and forth.. but someone set the brackets up so that only one of those teams would move on without having to play each other...oh and the YJ team knew exactly when TG gave up the goal and lost the tie breaker, YJ played keep away for the rest of their game never giving their opponent a chance to score..winning I think 4-0.. Some ones little brother ran from the TG field to Defo with the score as soon as it happend.. Congrats on winning your stick

Oh you mean the NATIONAL STALL

I can't understand YJ's obsession with winning. The point of club lax is to get your players exposed to college coaches for recruiting purposes. But, it seems YJ is more concerned with winning at all costs, and showcasing player talent secondly. My guess as this attitude is most likely driven by the YJ parents. Win, win, win. I've seen them. They seem to have no problem calling out a player, yelling at refs, yelling at other teams players, etc. It is absolutely no fun to watch your daughter play when her opponent is YJ and their parents. But hey...like Mr YJ Parent stated earlier in this thread...they play in "real" tournaments. I like the comment above...Congrats on winning your stick. It must mean a LOT to Mr and Mrs YJ Parent. Personally for me and my family and daughter (D1 commit), we would rather have the players be showcased to the college of her dreams. It's about the players, Mr and Mrs YJ Parent, not you!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can't understand YJ's obsession with winning. The point of club lax is to get your players exposed to college coaches for recruiting purposes. But, it seems YJ is more concerned with winning at all costs, and showcasing player talent secondly. My guess as this attitude is most likely driven by the YJ parents. Win, win, win. I've seen them. They seem to have no problem calling out a player, yelling at refs, yelling at other teams players, etc. It is absolutely no fun to watch your daughter play when her opponent is YJ and their parents. But hey...like Mr YJ Parent stated earlier in this thread...they play in "real" tournaments. I like the comment above...Congrats on winning your stick. It must mean a LOT to Mr and Mrs YJ Parent. Personally for me and my family and daughter (D1 commit), we would rather have the players be showcased to the college of her dreams. It's about the players, Mr and Mrs YJ Parent, not you!

It's also about feeding the yj money machine, hard to get top players (and wanna be's) to play for losing programs - Come to yj and you're elite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can't understand YJ's obsession with winning. The point of club lax is to get your players exposed to college coaches for recruiting purposes. But, it seems YJ is more concerned with winning at all costs, and showcasing player talent secondly. My guess as this attitude is most likely driven by the YJ parents. Win, win, win. I've seen them. They seem to have no problem calling out a player, yelling at refs, yelling at other teams players, etc. It is absolutely no fun to watch your daughter play when her opponent is YJ and their parents. But hey...like Mr YJ Parent stated earlier in this thread...they play in "real" tournaments. I like the comment above...Congrats on winning your stick. It must mean a LOT to Mr and Mrs YJ Parent. Personally for me and my family and daughter (D1 commit), we would rather have the players be showcased to the college of her dreams. It's about the players, Mr and Mrs YJ Parent, not you!

It's also about feeding the yj money machine, hard to get top players (and wanna be's) to play for losing programs - Come to yj and you're elite

Because your daughter plays for any club that calls themselves elite makes her an elite player? Not quite. About half the roster of top team at YJ borders on elite, and a couple/few on second team(yes there are some better players on second teams than on first team). Cut those numbers down 25-50% for top gun teams and other LI elite teams. Some of the players on my daughters top elite team are pretty bad, hard to watch. I see many second team players that would be more deserving, but sometimes a team has a chemistry that is best left alone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In fairness, TG 2016 absolutely smoked YJ in last years fall "showcase". I think it surprised everyone since many of YJ's top players were there. If YJ is that good and that deep they should never get smoked like that. As for a few other showcase events they have played in I recall YJ subbing absolutely nobody and TG playing kids fairly evenly (rightly so since it was a showcase event) and only losing by 1-2 goals. To say that these 2016 teams are not very close in ability is very unfair. TG is not strong at many age groups but 2016 is a very good team.

The facts are what they are ,your 2016 TG team is 1-5 against YJ. Every homer parent thinks that their team is subbing fairly and the other team is not when they lose, its human nature,I have fallen victim to it myself. It did not surprise YJ in the first spring tournament last year as they knew who they were missing and was not the only game they lost that weekend to a team that they had beaten every time in the past.It was a combo team with some kids from the 3rd level team. TG 2016 is a descent team but not in the top 5 ,again is what it is. It certainly would be a lot easier if both clubs owners were not so thick headed and they just played in leagues against each other.

Both teams (YJ 2016 and TG 2016) were at National Draw last year. Both played in the same bracket, Both teams beat Skywalkers Blue. Both teams were 4-0 in pool play.. YJ moved on due to tie breakers. That was the tournamnet where they should have played, that could have ended all this back and forth.. but someone set the brackets up so that only one of those teams would move on without having to play each other...oh and the YJ team knew exactly when TG gave up the goal and lost the tie breaker, YJ played keep away for the rest of their game never giving their opponent a chance to score..winning I think 4-0.. Some ones little brother ran from the TG field to Defo with the score as soon as it happend.. Congrats on winning your stick

This is where you make yourself look like the typical uninformed sore looser.First the goals against rule is stupid but Defo won the game you are talking about 12-1, the goals against differential between YJ and TG was 4 so the stall was just as much about not running it up. Second , you say could have ended all this back and forth , okay they played the year before and YJ won so I guess that ends it then. How many times in championship format tournaments does YJ need to beat TG for you to say no more back and forth. Ask MD who they would rather play and I bet they say YJ because those two teams have nothing but respect for each other and enjoy the competitive games. Sorry but it gets annoying when a team that has never won a competitive tournament tries to put itself in the elite class of teams just because they say so. As far as YJ obsession with winning , that is one of the reasons the best most competitive players join the club and they do just fine on the recruiting side.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can't understand YJ's obsession with winning. The point of club lax is to get your players exposed to college coaches for recruiting purposes. But, it seems YJ is more concerned with winning at all costs, and showcasing player talent secondly. My guess as this attitude is most likely driven by the YJ parents. Win, win, win. I've seen them. They seem to have no problem calling out a player, yelling at refs, yelling at other teams players, etc. It is absolutely no fun to watch your daughter play when her opponent is YJ and their parents. But hey...like Mr YJ Parent stated earlier in this thread...they play in "real" tournaments. I like the comment above...Congrats on winning your stick. It must mean a LOT to Mr and Mrs YJ Parent. Personally for me and my family and daughter (D1 commit), we would rather have the players be showcased to the college of her dreams. It's about the players, Mr and Mrs YJ Parent, not you!

It's also about feeding the yj money machine, hard to get top players (and wanna be's) to play for losing programs - Come to yj and you're elite

Because your daughter plays for any club that calls themselves elite makes her an elite player? Not quite. About half the roster of top team at YJ borders on elite, and a couple/few on second team(yes there are some better players on second teams than on first team). Cut those numbers down 25-50% for top gun teams and other LI elite teams. Some of the players on my daughters top elite team are pretty bad, hard to watch. I see many second team players that would be more deserving, but sometimes a team has a chemistry that is best left alone.

Yep and some coaches get that you might actually need a couple true ride attackmen, a big tall kid or two to pick and cut and, a bunch of athletic defensemen (even if they can't catch a ball) more than they need that 12th scoring option. Most parents equate scoring with being a great player when a team can't really support more than 6 scores.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In fairness, TG 2016 absolutely smoked YJ in last years fall "showcase". I think it surprised everyone since many of YJ's top players were there. If YJ is that good and that deep they should never get smoked like that. As for a few other showcase events they have played in I recall YJ subbing absolutely nobody and TG playing kids fairly evenly (rightly so since it was a showcase event) and only losing by 1-2 goals. To say that these 2016 teams are not very close in ability is very unfair. TG is not strong at many age groups but 2016 is a very good team.

The facts are what they are ,your 2016 TG team is 1-5 against YJ. Every homer parent thinks that their team is subbing fairly and the other team is not when they lose, its human nature,I have fallen victim to it myself. It did not surprise YJ in the first spring tournament last year as they knew who they were missing and was not the only game they lost that weekend to a team that they had beaten every time in the past.It was a combo team with some kids from the 3rd level team. TG 2016 is a descent team but not in the top 5 ,again is what it is. It certainly would be a lot easier if both clubs owners were not so thick headed and they just played in leagues against each other.

Both teams (YJ 2016 and TG 2016) were at National Draw last year. Both played in the same bracket, Both teams beat Skywalkers Blue. Both teams were 4-0 in pool play.. YJ moved on due to tie breakers. That was the tournamnet where they should have played, that could have ended all this back and forth.. but someone set the brackets up so that only one of those teams would move on without having to play each other...oh and the YJ team knew exactly when TG gave up the goal and lost the tie breaker, YJ played keep away for the rest of their game never giving their opponent a chance to score..winning I think 4-0.. Some ones little brother ran from the TG field to Defo with the score as soon as it happend.. Congrats on winning your stick

This is where you make yourself look like the typical uninformed sore looser.First the goals against rule is stupid but Defo won the game you are talking about 12-1, the goals against differential between YJ and TG was 4 so the stall was just as much about not running it up. Second , you say could have ended all this back and forth , okay they played the year before and YJ won so I guess that ends it then. How many times in championship format tournaments does YJ need to beat TG for you to say no more back and forth. Ask MD who they would rather play and I bet they say YJ because those two teams have nothing but respect for each other and enjoy the competitive games. Sorry but it gets annoying when a team that has never won a competitive tournament tries to put itself in the elite class of teams just because they say so. As far as YJ obsession with winning , that is one of the reasons the best most competitive players join the club and they do just fine on the recruiting side.

In case you haven't heard the Maryland parents can't stand the yj, primarily because of the parents and coaches

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In fairness, TG 2016 absolutely smoked YJ in last years fall "showcase". I think it surprised everyone since many of YJ's top players were there. If YJ is that good and that deep they should never get smoked like that. As for a few other showcase events they have played in I recall YJ subbing absolutely nobody and TG playing kids fairly evenly (rightly so since it was a showcase event) and only losing by 1-2 goals. To say that these 2016 teams are not very close in ability is very unfair. TG is not strong at many age groups but 2016 is a very good team.

The facts are what they are ,your 2016 TG team is 1-5 against YJ. Every homer parent thinks that their team is subbing fairly and the other team is not when they lose, its human nature,I have fallen victim to it myself. It did not surprise YJ in the first spring tournament last year as they knew who they were missing and was not the only game they lost that weekend to a team that they had beaten every time in the past.It was a combo team with some kids from the 3rd level team. TG 2016 is a descent team but not in the top 5 ,again is what it is. It certainly would be a lot easier if both clubs owners were not so thick headed and they just played in leagues against each other.

Both teams (YJ 2016 and TG 2016) were at National Draw last year. Both played in the same bracket, Both teams beat Skywalkers Blue. Both teams were 4-0 in pool play.. YJ moved on due to tie breakers. That was the tournamnet where they should have played, that could have ended all this back and forth.. but someone set the brackets up so that only one of those teams would move on without having to play each other...oh and the YJ team knew exactly when TG gave up the goal and lost the tie breaker, YJ played keep away for the rest of their game never giving their opponent a chance to score..winning I think 4-0.. Some ones little brother ran from the TG field to Defo with the score as soon as it happend.. Congrats on winning your stick

This is where you make yourself look like the typical uninformed sore looser.First the goals against rule is stupid but Defo won the game you are talking about 12-1, the goals against differential between YJ and TG was 4 so the stall was just as much about not running it up. Second , you say could have ended all this back and forth , okay they played the year before and YJ won so I guess that ends it then. How many times in championship format tournaments does YJ need to beat TG for you to say no more back and forth. Ask MD who they would rather play and I bet they say YJ because those two teams have nothing but respect for each other and enjoy the competitive games. Sorry but it gets annoying when a team that has never won a competitive tournament tries to put itself in the elite class of teams just because they say so. As far as YJ obsession with winning , that is one of the reasons the best most competitive players join the club and they do just fine on the recruiting side.

In case you haven't heard the Maryland parents can't stand the yj, primarily because of the parents and coaches

I love these broad generalizations - do the NJ parents hate the LI parents? Do you see how ridiculous this sounds speaking for all parents from a given state to make your point?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In fairness, TG 2016 absolutely smoked YJ in last years fall "showcase". I think it surprised everyone since many of YJ's top players were there. If YJ is that good and that deep they should never get smoked like that. As for a few other showcase events they have played in I recall YJ subbing absolutely nobody and TG playing kids fairly evenly (rightly so since it was a showcase event) and only losing by 1-2 goals. To say that these 2016 teams are not very close in ability is very unfair. TG is not strong at many age groups but 2016 is a very good team.

The facts are what they are ,your 2016 TG team is 1-5 against YJ. Every homer parent thinks that their team is subbing fairly and the other team is not when they lose, its human nature,I have fallen victim to it myself. It did not surprise YJ in the first spring tournament last year as they knew who they were missing and was not the only game they lost that weekend to a team that they had beaten every time in the past.It was a combo team with some kids from the 3rd level team. TG 2016 is a descent team but not in the top 5 ,again is what it is. It certainly would be a lot easier if both clubs owners were not so thick headed and they just played in leagues against each other.

Both teams (YJ 2016 and TG 2016) were at National Draw last year. Both played in the same bracket, Both teams beat Skywalkers Blue. Both teams were 4-0 in pool play.. YJ moved on due to tie breakers. That was the tournamnet where they should have played, that could have ended all this back and forth.. but someone set the brackets up so that only one of those teams would move on without having to play each other...oh and the YJ team knew exactly when TG gave up the goal and lost the tie breaker, YJ played keep away for the rest of their game never giving their opponent a chance to score..winning I think 4-0.. Some ones little brother ran from the TG field to Defo with the score as soon as it happend.. Congrats on winning your stick

This is where you make yourself look like the typical uninformed sore looser.First the goals against rule is stupid but Defo won the game you are talking about 12-1, the goals against differential between YJ and TG was 4 so the stall was just as much about not running it up. Second , you say could have ended all this back and forth , okay they played the year before and YJ won so I guess that ends it then. How many times in championship format tournaments does YJ need to beat TG for you to say no more back and forth. Ask MD who they would rather play and I bet they say YJ because those two teams have nothing but respect for each other and enjoy the competitive games. Sorry but it gets annoying when a team that has never won a competitive tournament tries to put itself in the elite class of teams just because they say so. As far as YJ obsession with winning , that is one of the reasons the best most competitive players join the club and they do just fine on the recruiting side.

To take your points one at a time:
1: sore loser, maybe but I would rather lose every time playing against the YJ then to never get the chance because brackets and tournaments are manipulated.
2: I don�t remember the score of the last YJ game, I don�t think it was 12-1 but I will defer to your memory.
3: The goal differential was 4, again you may be right I don�t remember. But once TG lost the tie breaker the final score didn�t matter.
4: Yes YJ won in a semi- final at national draw 4-2 the year before, but I don�t like using 2-3 year old results as being definitive, each year�s results stand on their own, teams change.
5: we�ve played M&D a number of times, always a close, well-played game.
6: Is the TG 2016 team elite? I won�t say, but on any given day they could beat any of the top clubs. Probably not every time , but if it really mattered, not one of those teams would take us lightly

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In case you haven't heard the Maryland parents can't stand the yj, primarily because of the parents and coaches

Just to clarify, the rest of the country can't stand Yellow Jackets and their parents. Even Yellow Jacket parents can't stand each other and the other teams in their own age/club. They have a strange dynamic over there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

In case you haven't heard the Maryland parents can't stand the yj, primarily because of the parents and coaches

That's nonsense. I'll bet most MD parents have no issue with YJ and would much rather see their kids playing YJ than any other team from LI. Grudges are held for local clubs, don't play YJ enough to develop bad blood.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

In case you haven't heard the Maryland parents can't stand the yj, primarily because of the parents and coaches

That's nonsense. I'll bet most MD parents have no issue with YJ and would much rather see their kids playing YJ than any other team from LI. Grudges are held for local clubs, don't play YJ enough to develop bad blood.

That logic does not hold up. YJs play the MD teams much more often than they play TG.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In fairness, TG 2016 absolutely smoked YJ in last years fall "showcase". I think it surprised everyone since many of YJ's top players were there. If YJ is that good and that deep they should never get smoked like that. As for a few other showcase events they have played in I recall YJ subbing absolutely nobody and TG playing kids fairly evenly (rightly so since it was a showcase event) and only losing by 1-2 goals. To say that these 2016 teams are not very close in ability is very unfair. TG is not strong at many age groups but 2016 is a very good team.

The facts are what they are ,your 2016 TG team is 1-5 against YJ. Every homer parent thinks that their team is subbing fairly and the other team is not when they lose, its human nature,I have fallen victim to it myself. It did not surprise YJ in the first spring tournament last year as they knew who they were missing and was not the only game they lost that weekend to a team that they had beaten every time in the past.It was a combo team with some kids from the 3rd level team. TG 2016 is a descent team but not in the top 5 ,again is what it is. It certainly would be a lot easier if both clubs owners were not so thick headed and they just played in leagues against each other.

Both teams (YJ 2016 and TG 2016) were at National Draw last year. Both played in the same bracket, Both teams beat Skywalkers Blue. Both teams were 4-0 in pool play.. YJ moved on due to tie breakers. That was the tournamnet where they should have played, that could have ended all this back and forth.. but someone set the brackets up so that only one of those teams would move on without having to play each other...oh and the YJ team knew exactly when TG gave up the goal and lost the tie breaker, YJ played keep away for the rest of their game never giving their opponent a chance to score..winning I think 4-0.. Some ones little brother ran from the TG field to Defo with the score as soon as it happend.. Congrats on winning your stick

This is where you make yourself look like the typical uninformed sore looser.First the goals against rule is stupid but Defo won the game you are talking about 12-1, the goals against differential between YJ and TG was 4 so the stall was just as much about not running it up. Second , you say could have ended all this back and forth , okay they played the year before and YJ won so I guess that ends it then. How many times in championship format tournaments does YJ need to beat TG for you to say no more back and forth. Ask MD who they would rather play and I bet they say YJ because those two teams have nothing but respect for each other and enjoy the competitive games. Sorry but it gets annoying when a team that has never won a competitive tournament tries to put itself in the elite class of teams just because they say so. As far as YJ obsession with winning , that is one of the reasons the best most competitive players join the club and they do just fine on the recruiting side.

To take your points one at a time:
1: sore loser, maybe but I would rather lose every time playing against the YJ then to never get the chance because brackets and tournaments are manipulated.
2: I don�t remember the score of the last YJ game, I don�t think it was 12-1 but I will defer to your memory.
3: The goal differential was 4, again you may be right I don�t remember. But once TG lost the tie breaker the final score didn�t matter.
4: Yes YJ won in a semi- final at national draw 4-2 the year before, but I don�t like using 2-3 year old results as being definitive, each year�s results stand on their own, teams change.
5: we�ve played M&D a number of times, always a close, well-played game.
6: Is the TG 2016 team elite? I won�t say, but on any given day they could beat any of the top clubs. Probably not every time , but if it really mattered, not one of those teams would take us lightly

You haven't won a major championship ever, any year, so no need to go back to 2-3 yrs ago. That said your team is no threat to any top team, you have to eat out of pool play to be a threat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In fairness, TG 2016 absolutely smoked YJ in last years fall "showcase". I think it surprised everyone since many of YJ's top players were there. If YJ is that good and that deep they should never get smoked like that. As for a few other showcase events they have played in I recall YJ subbing absolutely nobody and TG playing kids fairly evenly (rightly so since it was a showcase event) and only losing by 1-2 goals. To say that these 2016 teams are not very close in ability is very unfair. TG is not strong at many age groups but 2016 is a very good team.

The facts are what they are ,your 2016 TG team is 1-5 against YJ. Every homer parent thinks that their team is subbing fairly and the other team is not when they lose, its human nature,I have fallen victim to it myself. It did not surprise YJ in the first spring tournament last year as they knew who they were missing and was not the only game they lost that weekend to a team that they had beaten every time in the past.It was a combo team with some kids from the 3rd level team. TG 2016 is a descent team but not in the top 5 ,again is what it is. It certainly would be a lot easier if both clubs owners were not so thick headed and they just played in leagues against each other.

Both teams (YJ 2016 and TG 2016) were at National Draw last year. Both played in the same bracket, Both teams beat Skywalkers Blue. Both teams were 4-0 in pool play.. YJ moved on due to tie breakers. That was the tournamnet where they should have played, that could have ended all this back and forth.. but someone set the brackets up so that only one of those teams would move on without having to play each other...oh and the YJ team knew exactly when TG gave up the goal and lost the tie breaker, YJ played keep away for the rest of their game never giving their opponent a chance to score..winning I think 4-0.. Some ones little brother ran from the TG field to Defo with the score as soon as it happend.. Congrats on winning your stick

This is where you make yourself look like the typical uninformed sore looser.First the goals against rule is stupid but Defo won the game you are talking about 12-1, the goals against differential between YJ and TG was 4 so the stall was just as much about not running it up. Second , you say could have ended all this back and forth , okay they played the year before and YJ won so I guess that ends it then. How many times in championship format tournaments does YJ need to beat TG for you to say no more back and forth. Ask MD who they would rather play and I bet they say YJ because those two teams have nothing but respect for each other and enjoy the competitive games. Sorry but it gets annoying when a team that has never won a competitive tournament tries to put itself in the elite class of teams just because they say so. As far as YJ obsession with winning , that is one of the reasons the best most competitive players join the club and they do just fine on the recruiting side.

To take your points one at a time:
1: sore loser, maybe but I would rather lose every time playing against the YJ then to never get the chance because brackets and tournaments are manipulated.
2: I dont remember the score of the last YJ game, I dont think it was 12-1 but I will defer to your memory.
3: The goal differential was 4, again you may be right I dont remember. But once TG lost the tie breaker the final score didnt matter.
4: Yes YJ won in a semi- final at national draw 4-2 the year before, but I dont like using 2-3 year old results as being definitive, each years results stand on their own, teams change.
5: weve played M&D a number of times, always a close, well-played game.
6: Is the TG 2016 team elite? I wont say, but on any given day they could beat any of the top clubs. Probably not every time , but if it really mattered, not one of those teams would take us lightly

You haven't won a major championship ever, any year, so no need to go back to 2-3 yrs ago. That said your team is no threat to any top team, you have to eat out of pool play to be a threat.

If TG is no threat to you why are you on here all the time?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

In case you haven't heard the Maryland parents can't stand the yj, primarily because of the parents and coaches

That's nonsense. I'll bet most MD parents have no issue with YJ and would much rather see their kids playing YJ than any other team from LI. Grudges are held for local clubs, don't play YJ enough to develop bad blood.

That logic does not hold up. YJs play the MD teams much more often than they play TG.

Sure it does. The typical MD club family experience with YJ is probably less than 10 games over 6-7 years with half being 30 minute games. That's it, done and over when the horn sounds. They don't play in LI rec leagues, don't play at LI High Schools, don't compete for spots on LI club teams, don't go to LI cocktail parties and don't engage in all this LI trash-talk. Guarantee you MD club parents/kids have far more intense feelings towards other MD clubs than any club from NY, NJ, VA, PA......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

In case you haven't heard the Maryland parents can't stand the yj, primarily because of the parents and coaches

That's nonsense. I'll bet most MD parents have no issue with YJ and would much rather see their kids playing YJ than any other team from LI. Grudges are held for local clubs, don't play YJ enough to develop bad blood.

That logic does not hold up. YJs play the MD teams much more often than they play TG.

Sure it does. The typical MD club family experience with YJ is probably less than 10 games over 6-7 years with half being 30 minute games. That's it, done and over when the horn sounds. They don't play in LI rec leagues, don't play at LI High Schools, don't compete for spots on LI club teams, don't go to LI cocktail parties and don't engage in all this LI trash-talk. Guarantee you MD club parents/kids have far more intense feelings towards other MD clubs than any club from NY, NJ, VA, PA......

Tell yourself whatever you need to and please if I ever run into at a cocktail please don't talk about club lax, how boring is your life?

MD parent here. In my 10 years of club lax parenting, I have never heard one MD team parent say they liked to play YJ. Not because of the competition...clearly the YJ TEAM is top-notch competition. It's the incessant yelling and bitching and moaning from the parents and coaches (and the ones who think they're both a parent/coach AND ref). It's almost impossible to watch and enjoy the game. And, I will add, I can't think of ANYONE from any club team that enjoys sitting next to YJ parents. Every time I've heard someone say they saw YJ on the schedule, every time their reaction was something like "Oh geez...THE PARENTS!" They seem to have this sense of entitlement, that every call should go their way, no one should defend their little girl or that no one is good enough to play against them. But, they also think that their little LI angel can just beat the [lacrosse] out of an attacker, run over another player for a GB, etc. It's horrible. I'm glad we don't play against them that much. We have great teams here in MD, and luckily we play against good "A" bracket competition in the summer.

You people are writing about this on a tg thread. Why??? Tg does is not even in the same caliber of playing. This is a joke. M&d go to Yj thread grow a set and set them straight. Leave these poor souls alone. Let tg parents Dream of how great they are. It makes them feel good to lie to themselves that they are even comparable at any level. There are several other long island teams that blow tg away. You don't know ego they are? Maybe because your not at top tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MD parent here. In my 10 years of club lax parenting, I have never heard one MD team parent say they liked to play YJ. Not because of the competition...clearly the YJ TEAM is top-notch competition. It's the incessant yelling and bitching and moaning from the parents and coaches (and the ones who think they're both a parent/coach AND ref). It's almost impossible to watch and enjoy the game. And, I will add, I can't think of ANYONE from any club team that enjoys sitting next to YJ parents. Every time I've heard someone say they saw YJ on the schedule, every time their reaction was something like "Oh geez...THE PARENTS!" They seem to have this sense of entitlement, that every call should go their way, no one should defend their little girl or that no one is good enough to play against them. But, they also think that their little LI angel can just beat the [lacrosse] out of an attacker, run over another player for a GB, etc. It's horrible. I'm glad we don't play against them that much. We have great teams here in MD, and luckily we play against good "A" bracket competition in the summer.

Please do not answer this troll; especially since they are attacking a LI team on the wrong post! The one thing us LI laxers can agree on (other than than CR is a man baby!) is that MD clubs, are the ones with the holier than thou attitude!!!

Thanks MD parents Scooter and Buffy for giving your opinion. But honestly nobody cares what u think. So put the zinc oxide on your nose, take your little sailing hat and outfit and go eat those terrible crab cakes you guys advertise and sit under that stupid state flag umbrella. Oh yea.........remember to reclassify Biff and Bunny this year so they can hang with the Long Island Kids. Have a great day

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MD parent here. In my 10 years of club lax parenting, I have never heard one MD team parent say they liked to play YJ. Not because of the competition...clearly the YJ TEAM is top-notch competition. It's the incessant yelling and bitching and moaning from the parents and coaches (and the ones who think they're both a parent/coach AND ref). It's almost impossible to watch and enjoy the game. And, I will add, I can't think of ANYONE from any club team that enjoys sitting next to YJ parents. Every time I've heard someone say they saw YJ on the schedule, every time their reaction was something like "Oh geez...THE PARENTS!" They seem to have this sense of entitlement, that every call should go their way, no one should defend their little girl or that no one is good enough to play against them. But, they also think that their little LI angel can just beat the [lacrosse] out of an attacker, run over another player for a GB, etc. It's horrible. I'm glad we don't play against them that much. We have great teams here in MD, and luckily we play against good "A" bracket competition in the summer.

You must be a real treasure. "I'm glad we don't play against them that much." Glad to hear it's all about you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MD parent here. In my 10 years of club lax parenting, I have never heard one MD team parent say they liked to play YJ. Not because of the competition...clearly the YJ TEAM is top-notch competition. It's the incessant yelling and bitching and moaning from the parents and coaches (and the ones who think they're both a parent/coach AND ref). It's almost impossible to watch and enjoy the game. And, I will add, I can't think of ANYONE from any club team that enjoys sitting next to YJ parents. Every time I've heard someone say they saw YJ on the schedule, every time their reaction was something like "Oh geez...THE PARENTS!" They seem to have this sense of entitlement, that every call should go their way, no one should defend their little girl or that no one is good enough to play against them. But, they also think that their little LI angel can just beat the [lacrosse] out of an attacker, run over another player for a GB, etc. It's horrible. I'm glad we don't play against them that much. We have great teams here in MD, and luckily we play against good "A" bracket competition in the summer.

You must be a real treasure. "I'm glad we don't play against them that much." Glad to hear it's all about you.

Why don't we move this to the yj thread

Thats funny the Long Island parents see the Maryland parents the same way!
Skywalkers, M&D great teams and some very good games with the YJ's!
Just remember every team has a few parents that are very tough to stand by and watch a game. I like to find a corner

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

In case you haven't heard the Maryland parents can't stand the yj, primarily because of the parents and coaches

That's nonsense. I'll bet most MD parents have no issue with YJ and would much rather see their kids playing YJ than any other team from LI. Grudges are held for local clubs, don't play YJ enough to develop bad blood.

That logic does not hold up. YJs play the MD teams much more often than they play TG.

Sure it does. The typical MD club family experience with YJ is probably less than 10 games over 6-7 years with half being 30 minute games. That's it, done and over when the horn sounds. They don't play in LI rec leagues, don't play at LI High Schools, don't compete for spots on LI club teams, don't go to LI cocktail parties and don't engage in all this LI trash-talk. Guarantee you MD club parents/kids have far more intense feelings towards other MD clubs than any club from NY, NJ, VA, PA......

Actually, speaking as a MD parent, I come on here because I find it hilarious how vindictive and hateful YJ and TG are to each other. My daughter plays for M&D and honestly has no feeling like this toward Skywalkers, TLC, etc. Of course they don't like losing to them, but she has friends from school on all those teams. Do you want to lose to them? Of course not. But the vitriol that is spit out on here? I've honestly never heard that from MD parents about other MD teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

In case you haven't heard the Maryland parents can't stand the yj, primarily because of the parents and coaches

That's nonsense. I'll bet most MD parents have no issue with YJ and would much rather see their kids playing YJ than any other team from LI. Grudges are held for local clubs, don't play YJ enough to develop bad blood.

That logic does not hold up. YJs play the MD teams much more often than they play TG.

Sure it does. The typical MD club family experience with YJ is probably less than 10 games over 6-7 years with half being 30 minute games. That's it, done and over when the horn sounds. They don't play in LI rec leagues, don't play at LI High Schools, don't compete for spots on LI club teams, don't go to LI cocktail parties and don't engage in all this LI trash-talk. Guarantee you MD club parents/kids have far more intense feelings towards other MD clubs than any club from NY, NJ, VA, PA......

Actually, speaking as a MD parent, I come on here because I find it hilarious how vindictive and hateful YJ and TG are to each other. My daughter plays for M&D and honestly has no feeling like this toward Skywalkers, TLC, etc. Of course they don't like losing to them, but she has friends from school on all those teams. Do you want to lose to them? Of course not. But the vitriol that is spit out on here? I've honestly never heard that from MD parents about other MD teams.

Girls up here also have friends that play on other clubs.The problem is parents who are trying to live their Athletic FAILURES through their Children. If someone child is a player they also are reading these post and laughing.

To M&D parent...Well said.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To M&D parent...Well said.

LI parent here - not on TG and YJ - it really is pathetic how the two of you fight the way you do. We all know the history behind CR and SS. Get over it already.

However, I do say that after playing both programs, the YJ's do take the cake as the most interesting group. I'm amazed at how many of your "followers" continue to drink the kool aid. It's amusing to see 4,5, and even 6 teams at certain age groups. What value are you getting for the money you are spending?

I can't help but envision Teresa Guidice when I read the TG and YJ threads.

LI parent...well said. I love your phrase "the most interesting group".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]To M&D parent...Well said.

LI parent here - not on TG and YJ - it really is pathetic how the two of you fight the way you do. We all know the history behind CR and SS. Get over it already.

However, I do say that after playing both programs, the YJ's do take the cake as the most interesting group. I'm amazed at how many of your "followers" continue to drink the kool aid. It's amusing to see 4,5, and even 6 teams at certain age groups. What value are you getting for the money you are spending? [/quote

What you do not understand is some kids just like to play the game and don't care that much about what team they are on. What exactly would your club offer these 4-5th team players that YJ does not , these kids still get the same chance at winter training , and off season tournaments that most clubs do not offer.They get that they will not get the recruiting opportunities that the kids on the top team get but neither will your kid. You come on this site and bash the attitude of the parents that have kids on the top team that show that same attitude yourself when talking about the kids on the lower team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To M&D parent...Well said.

LI parent here - not on TG and YJ - it really is pathetic how the two of you fight the way you do. We all know the history behind CR and SS. Get over it already.

However, I do say that after playing both programs, the YJ's do take the cake as the most interesting group. I'm amazed at how many of your "followers" continue to drink the kool aid. It's amusing to see 4,5, and even 6 teams at certain age groups. What value are you getting for the money you are spending?

what is the history between cr and ss?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually, speaking as a MD parent, I come on here because I find it hilarious how vindictive and hateful YJ and TG are to each other. My daughter plays for M&D and honestly has no feeling like this toward Skywalkers, TLC, etc. Of course they don't like losing to them, but she has friends from school on all those teams. Do you want to lose to them? Of course not. But the vitriol that is spit out on here? I've honestly never heard that from MD parents about other MD teams.

Much of the vitrol comes from parents here on Long Island because it is sickening to see some of these YJ parents walk their child in on a pedestal to a PAL or HS event and act like they are the cat's meow all because they think their kid is better than everyone else because their kid is an "Elite" Yellow Jacket (and yes some girls are very good, but no more than 1 in 12 yellow jackets can say they are good, especially when there are 6-10 good girls on a blue team and then 4-6 other teams in that age group of average to poor players). But everyone regardless of who they are, think they are elite because they pay their fee and get a jacket that says elite on it.

Then you have the coaches of PAL who kids have been playing YJ since 3rd grade and are on a blue team as a legacy or political favor (in 5th or 6th grade because once they get to HS they usually get dropped from those teams to make way for Northport girls or other HS girls connected to the directors) (we will keep your kid up here if you keep sending more kids for our 3rd 4th 5th and 6th teams. These guys think their sh*t don't stink and walk around like they are the foremost expert on Lacrosse and you should be priveldged to talk to them or have your daughter on the same field as them (of course everything is built around showcasing their daughter on the field too). These guys you want to just punch in the face.

The problem with YJ parents is that they think that they are Long Island Lacrosse and there is no room for anyone else. They have bought into that even is your daughter is on the 2nd or 3rd team (or4th or5th) they are elite and better than any other clubs 1st team girls.

That is why you are hated and why other parents can't stand you. Dispute it all you want (and there are some rational parents in YJ, but you are over-shadowed by the other (which unfortunately rational YJ parents are out numbered in YJ land).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually, speaking as a MD parent, I come on here because I find it hilarious how vindictive and hateful YJ and TG are to each other. My daughter plays for M&D and honestly has no feeling like this toward Skywalkers, TLC, etc. Of course they don't like losing to them, but she has friends from school on all those teams. Do you want to lose to them? Of course not. But the vitriol that is spit out on here? I've honestly never heard that from MD parents about other MD teams.

Much of the vitrol comes from parents here on Long Island because it is sickening to see some of these YJ parents walk their child in on a pedestal to a PAL or HS event and act like they are the cat's meow all because they think their kid is better than everyone else because their kid is an "Elite" Yellow Jacket (and yes some girls are very good, but no more than 1 in 12 yellow jackets can say they are good, especially when there are 6-10 good girls on a blue team and then 4-6 other teams in that age group of average to poor players). But everyone regardless of who they are, think they are elite because they pay their fee and get a jacket that says elite on it.

Then you have the coaches of PAL who kids have been playing YJ since 3rd grade and are on a blue team as a legacy or political favor (in 5th or 6th grade because once they get to HS they usually get dropped from those teams to make way for Northport girls or other HS girls connected to the directors) (we will keep your kid up here if you keep sending more kids for our 3rd 4th 5th and 6th teams. These guys think their sh*t don't stink and walk around like they are the foremost expert on Lacrosse and you should be priveldged to talk to them or have your daughter on the same field as them (of course everything is built around showcasing their daughter on the field too). These guys you want to just punch in the face.

The problem with YJ parents is that they think that they are Long Island Lacrosse and there is no room for anyone else. They have bought into that even is your daughter is on the 2nd or 3rd team (or4th or5th) they are elite and better than any other clubs 1st team girls.

That is why you are hated and why other parents can't stand you. Dispute it all you want (and there are some rational parents in YJ, but you are over-shadowed by the other (which unfortunately rational YJ parents are out numbered in YJ land).

WOW, that's a whole lot of pent up anger, hope you got it out of your system.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually, speaking as a MD parent, I come on here because I find it hilarious how vindictive and hateful YJ and TG are to each other. My daughter plays for M&D and honestly has no feeling like this toward Skywalkers, TLC, etc. Of course they don't like losing to them, but she has friends from school on all those teams. Do you want to lose to them? Of course not. But the vitriol that is spit out on here? I've honestly never heard that from MD parents about other MD teams.

Much of the vitrol comes from parents here on Long Island because it is sickening to see some of these YJ parents walk their child in on a pedestal to a PAL or HS event and act like they are the cat's meow all because they think their kid is better than everyone else because their kid is an "Elite" Yellow Jacket (and yes some girls are very good, but no more than 1 in 12 yellow jackets can say they are good, especially when there are 6-10 good girls on a blue team and then 4-6 other teams in that age group of average to poor players). But everyone regardless of who they are, think they are elite because they pay their fee and get a jacket that says elite on it.

Then you have the coaches of PAL who kids have been playing YJ since 3rd grade and are on a blue team as a legacy or political favor (in 5th or 6th grade because once they get to HS they usually get dropped from those teams to make way for Northport girls or other HS girls connected to the directors) (we will keep your kid up here if you keep sending more kids for our 3rd 4th 5th and 6th teams. These guys think their sh*t don't stink and walk around like they are the foremost expert on Lacrosse and you should be priveldged to talk to them or have your daughter on the same field as them (of course everything is built around showcasing their daughter on the field too). These guys you want to just punch in the face.

The problem with YJ parents is that they think that they are Long Island Lacrosse and there is no room for anyone else. They have bought into that even is your daughter is on the 2nd or 3rd team (or4th or5th) they are elite and better than any other clubs 1st team girls.

That is why you are hated and why other parents can't stand you. Dispute it all you want (and there are some rational parents in YJ, but you are over-shadowed by the other (which unfortunately rational YJ parents are out numbered in YJ land).

I guess that makes sense. It does baffle me that there are enough girls to field 4 and 5 teams per age. M&D only had 30 girls show up for their 2021 tryouts and they won everything they played in last year. I can't think of a program in MD that has more than two teams per age. Granted, there are a lot more options down here(M&D, Hero's, Skywalkers, TLC, etc), but I agree, paying the same freight to be on the 4th YJ team seems silly. I would hope that the parents of the 4th team girls aren't arrogant, but if so, I understand your point.

My kid plays on TG Black and I do not allow her to wear her TG gear to PAL practices or games. She has a Town bag for PAL. I do laugh inside when kids from TG or YJ show up all geared out but it is what it is.

The U15 shame is on!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The U15 shame is on!

What does that mean?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The U15 shame is on!

What exactly does that mean??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually, speaking as a MD parent, I come on here because I find it hilarious how vindictive and hateful YJ and TG are to each other. My daughter plays for M&D and honestly has no feeling like this toward Skywalkers, TLC, etc. Of course they don't like losing to them, but she has friends from school on all those teams. Do you want to lose to them? Of course not. But the vitriol that is spit out on here? I've honestly never heard that from MD parents about other MD teams.

Much of the vitrol comes from parents here on Long Island because it is sickening to see some of these YJ parents walk their child in on a pedestal to a PAL or HS event and act like they are the cat's meow all because they think their kid is better than everyone else because their kid is an "Elite" Yellow Jacket (and yes some girls are very good, but no more than 1 in 12 yellow jackets can say they are good, especially when there are 6-10 good girls on a blue team and then 4-6 other teams in that age group of average to poor players). But everyone regardless of who they are, think they are elite because they pay their fee and get a jacket that says elite on it.

Then you have the coaches of PAL who kids have been playing YJ since 3rd grade and are on a blue team as a legacy or political favor (in 5th or 6th grade because once they get to HS they usually get dropped from those teams to make way for Northport girls or other HS girls connected to the directors) (we will keep your kid up here if you keep sending more kids for our 3rd 4th 5th and 6th teams. These guys think their sh*t don't stink and walk around like they are the foremost expert on Lacrosse and you should be priveldged to talk to them or have your daughter on the same field as them (of course everything is built around showcasing their daughter on the field too). These guys you want to just punch in the face.

The problem with YJ parents is that they think that they are Long Island Lacrosse and there is no room for anyone else. They have bought into that even is your daughter is on the 2nd or 3rd team (or4th or5th) they are elite and better than any other clubs 1st team girls.

That is why you are hated and why other parents can't stand you. Dispute it all you want (and there are some rational parents in YJ, but you are over-shadowed by the other (which unfortunately rational YJ parents are out numbered in YJ land).

I guess that makes sense. It does baffle me that there are enough girls to field 4 and 5 teams per age. M&D only had 30 girls show up for their 2021 tryouts and they won everything they played in last year. I can't think of a program in MD that has more than two teams per age. Granted, there are a lot more options down here(M&D, Hero's, Skywalkers, TLC, etc), but I agree, paying the same freight to be on the 4th YJ team seems silly. I would hope that the parents of the 4th team girls aren't arrogant, but if so, I understand your point.

Really no anger, but glad I am not a part of it. The punch in the face, is a reference to the [lacrosse] type of person who is beyond words and just needs a slap, more of a figurative usage rather than a literal usage. This is the very reason I had my girls not go to YJ, the director(s) in our town really put us off about YJ and from what we have seen they are more a reflection of the club rather than an exception. And yes it was therapeutic to actually lay it out and finally pinpoint why I and so many others are disgusted when we see YJ parents.

Is this with respect to the U15 tryouts for nationals? None of us know what you're talking about...

Sounds like the roster emails went out.. And someone "deserving" Didn't make it or someone "undeserving" did

How many kids selected for U15?

The same thing happens every year. Just because your kid is on Black it doesn't guarantee your daughter is on the U15 roster.

What is the team break down. How many black how many purple

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the team break down. How many black how many purple

Why would you even do the u15's when it a waste of time, Monet and barely any coaches use it for recruiting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the team break down. How many black how many purple

Why would you even do the u15's when it a waste of time, Monet and barely any coaches use it for recruiting.

It must be for the publicity. It is the only championship tournament run by a sanctioned organizer. It is historically tracked and very well publicized in the magazines. No other team tournaments do you even hear who won, much less get press coverage. Live coverage and game, tournament reporting. It is the stage needed, just got to get ALL the clubs to buy in. Most all the top contenders come from the mid/north east, US lacrosse should keep this thing in the near vicinity, I think that is what deters some teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the team break down. How many black how many purple

Emails were sent out to those that made the team. I don't know why they keep it so hush hush. Don't forget that there is a 3rd team for this age group. Many of them tried out as well. TG still has to qualify just to go to Virginia in July.

What is the age requirement for U 15?

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the team break down. How many black how many purple

Emails were sent out to those that made the team. I don't know why they keep it so hush hush. Don't forget that there is a 3rd team for this age group. Many of them tried out as well. TG still has to qualify just to go to Virginia in July.

What ages go this year? 2019 & older if they meet age requirement?

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the team break down. How many black how many purple

Emails were sent out to those that made the team. I don't know why they keep it so hush hush. Don't forget that there is a 3rd team for this age group. Many of them tried out as well. TG still has to qualify just to go to Virginia in July.

So the girls will play in two meaningless tournaments this summer. One to qualify and then the u15's. Waste of money and time. At this age they should only be doing recruiting tournaments or showcases in front of coaches.

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the team break down. How many black how many purple

Emails were sent out to those that made the team. I don't know why they keep it so hush hush. Don't forget that there is a 3rd team for this age group. Many of them tried out as well. TG still has to qualify just to go to Virginia in July.

About the qualifying to go, are you referring to a second TG team? I know YJ sent certain teams to qualifying tournaments in order to qualify to play in the national championship. I have heard rumors that TG were going to do this as well. Anyone know the plans?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the team break down. How many black how many purple

Emails were sent out to those that made the team. I don't know why they keep it so hush hush. Don't forget that there is a 3rd team for this age group. Many of them tried out as well. TG still has to qualify just to go to Virginia in July.

About the qualifying to go, are you referring to a second TG team? I know YJ sent certain teams to qualifying tournaments in order to qualify to play in the national championship. I have heard rumors that TG were going to do this as well. Anyone know the plans?

That is always an option. Sending the 2019 black team to qualify would be the best option. Being that TG didn't finish in the top 4 at last years tournament, they have to qualify just to send one team there. YJ had 3 teams make the final four so they have 3 automatic spots.

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the age requirement for U 15?

Girls born after Sept 1, 1999 were eligible to try out last weekend.

So what is the cutoff for the oldest kid on the team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the age requirement for U 15?

Girls born after Sept 1, 1999 were eligible to try out last weekend.

So what is the cutoff for the oldest kid on the team?

9/1/99

They will receive an invitation without qualifying like a lot of teams do

Just like NCAA basketball there are automatic bids by qualifying and there are at large bids

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the team break down. How many black how many purple

Emails were sent out to those that made the team. I don't know why they keep it so hush hush. Don't forget that there is a 3rd team for this age group. Many of them tried out as well. TG still has to qualify just to go to Virginia in July.

About the qualifying to go, are you referring to a second TG team? I know YJ sent certain teams to qualifying tournaments in order to qualify to play in the national championship. I have heard rumors that TG were going to do this as well. Anyone know the plans?

That is always an option. Sending the 2019 black team to qualify would be the best option. Being that TG didn't finish in the top 4 at last years tournament, they have to qualify just to send one team there. YJ had 3 teams make the final four so they have 3 automatic spots.

Or send the 2018 purple to be the second team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the team break down. How many black how many purple

Emails were sent out to those that made the team. I don't know why they keep it so hush hush. Don't forget that there is a 3rd team for this age group. Many of them tried out as well. TG still has to qualify just to go to Virginia in July.

About the qualifying to go, are you referring to a second TG team? I know YJ sent certain teams to qualifying tournaments in order to qualify to play in the national championship. I have heard rumors that TG were going to do this as well. Anyone know the plans?

That is always an option. Sending the 2019 black team to qualify would be the best option. Being that TG didn't finish in the top 4 at last years tournament, they have to qualify just to send one team there. YJ had 3 teams make the final four so they have 3 automatic spots.

Or send the 2018 purple to be the second team.

2019 black has a better chance of winning a tournament in their age bracket than 2018 purple does. Also, there are purple girls already on the U15 team.

Tg 2018 I don't think that will work. NOt much talent on that team. I believe 2018 white has more talent. Also considering a few girls from white made u-15 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Gotogoal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the team break down. How many black how many purple

Emails were sent out to those that made the team. I don't know why they keep it so hush hush. Don't forget that there is a 3rd team for this age group. Many of them tried out as well. TG still has to qualify just to go to Virginia in July.

What ages go this year? 2019 & older if they meet age requirement?

Anyone age eligible from 2017 and younger!

[quote=Anonymous]What is the age requirement for U 15? [/quotI

Is that a trick question?

Here's a cut/paste from the USLacrosse website.

U15:

All players must be 14 years old or younger on the August 31st preceding competition. It is recommended that when multiple teams exist within a program, the program should consider physical size, skill, and maturity when organizing teams.

Somebody do the math for this summer's cohort.

Duh, should've scrolled down because USLacrosse did the math.

2015 Age Grouping Quick Reference Table

Birthdate Age Bracket
Born on or after 9/1/1999 U15
Born on or after 9/1/2001 U13
Born on or after 9/1/2003 U11
Born on or after 9/1/2005 U9

Is this team solidified?

What i think is most pathetic about the TG club is how much the parents kiss up to BS. Was at the Hofstra game today and watched a TG parent walk past BS 4 times in hopes that he would see them. Could not have been more obvious. Then I heard another parent say "I may go over and say hi but not sure if he knows who my daughter is". I mean really? How old are you people? How sad and pathetic can you all be? My daughter was laughing when she heard and saw the actions and discussions from the parents. The kids were not even watching the game and were walking around. I mean if you are going to take time to take your kid to a game make it a learning experience. DOnt go just so SS or BS will see you and try and kiss up to them. If your daughter is good, she will be noticed - bottom line.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What i think is most pathetic about the TG club is how much the parents kiss up to BS. Was at the Hofstra game today and watched a TG parent walk past BS 4 times in hopes that he would see them. Could not have been more obvious. Then I heard another parent say "I may go over and say hi but not sure if he knows who my daughter is". I mean really? How old are you people? How sad and pathetic can you all be? My daughter was laughing when she heard and saw the actions and discussions from the parents. The kids were not even watching the game and were walking around. I mean if you are going to take time to take your kid to a game make it a learning experience. DOnt go just so SS or BS will see you and try and kiss up to them. If your daughter is good, she will be noticed - bottom line.

Not sure why you care so much to make such a long post. Frankly, I think that is pathetic. Happens in every sport, and yes EVERY club team/high school team...even the ones your kids are on. Bottom line...nothing new, nothing isolated to TG!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What i think is most pathetic about the TG club is how much the parents kiss up to BS. Was at the Hofstra game today and watched a TG parent walk past BS 4 times in hopes that he would see them. Could not have been more obvious. Then I heard another parent say "I may go over and say hi but not sure if he knows who my daughter is". I mean really? How old are you people? How sad and pathetic can you all be? My daughter was laughing when she heard and saw the actions and discussions from the parents. The kids were not even watching the game and were walking around. I mean if you are going to take time to take your kid to a game make it a learning experience. DOnt go just so SS or BS will see you and try and kiss up to them. If your daughter is good, she will be noticed - bottom line.

Enlighten us as to your club affiliation. So far you have bashed 91 and TG. Judging by your location and your language I have my suspicions.

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What i think is most pathetic about the TG club is how much the parents kiss up to BS. Was at the Hofstra game today and watched a TG parent walk past BS 4 times in hopes that he would see them. Could not have been more obvious. Then I heard another parent say "I may go over and say hi but not sure if he knows who my daughter is". I mean really? How old are you people? How sad and pathetic can you all be? My daughter was laughing when she heard and saw the actions and discussions from the parents. The kids were not even watching the game and were walking around. I mean if you are going to take time to take your kid to a game make it a learning experience. DOnt go just so SS or BS will see you and try and kiss up to them. If your daughter is good, she will be noticed - bottom line.

Enlighten us as to your club affiliation. So far you have bashed 91 and TG. Judging by your location and your language I have my suspicions.

Inspector Clouseau, is that your job as moderator? Track down an IP address and guess what club a poster is with? I think not! This forum allows people to be anonymous so why is it your job to find out if there is any affiliation to a club at all when somebody is posting. FYI I have probably knocked EVERY club on this forum as they all have their issues, albeit different issues. So, just post what it is written unless you find it utterly inappropriate which on this forum I am not sure is even possible based on what I have seen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What i think is most pathetic about the TG club is how much the parents kiss up to BS. Was at the Hofstra game today and watched a TG parent walk past BS 4 times in hopes that he would see them. Could not have been more obvious. Then I heard another parent say "I may go over and say hi but not sure if he knows who my daughter is". I mean really? How old are you people? How sad and pathetic can you all be? My daughter was laughing when she heard and saw the actions and discussions from the parents. The kids were not even watching the game and were walking around. I mean if you are going to take time to take your kid to a game make it a learning experience. DOnt go just so SS or BS will see you and try and kiss up to them. If your daughter is good, she will be noticed - bottom line.

Enlighten us as to your club affiliation. So far you have bashed 91 and TG. Judging by your location and your language I have my suspicions.

Inspector Clouseau, is that your job as moderator? Track down an IP address and guess what club a poster is with? I think not! This forum allows people to be anonymous so why is it your job to find out if there is any affiliation to a club at all when somebody is posting. FYI I have probably knocked EVERY club on this forum as they all have their issues, albeit different issues. So, just post what it is written unless you find it utterly inappropriate which on this forum I am not sure is even possible based on what I have seen.

I will continue to ask our posters questions or comment on their opinions. You go back to "knocking EVERY club on this forum" (your words). Stay tuned for my next opinionated post.......

No offense Hop but I agree with the other poster, if you allow people to post anonymously they have a certain expectation that they will remain that way. If you out some because you do not like what they post its the wrong thing to do. That being said each and every club is filled with people that are kissing butt, thats life.

I have yet to "out" any poster and I will not. Registered or not no ones identity has been revealed. Feel free to Post away!!

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What i think is most pathetic about the TG club is how much the parents kiss up to BS. Was at the Hofstra game today and watched a TG parent walk past BS 4 times in hopes that he would see them. Could not have been more obvious. Then I heard another parent say "I may go over and say hi but not sure if he knows who my daughter is". I mean really? How old are you people? How sad and pathetic can you all be? My daughter was laughing when she heard and saw the actions and discussions from the parents. The kids were not even watching the game and were walking around. I mean if you are going to take time to take your kid to a game make it a learning experience. DOnt go just so SS or BS will see you and try and kiss up to them. If your daughter is good, she will be noticed - bottom line.

Enlighten us as to your club affiliation. So far you have bashed 91 and TG. Judging by your location and your language I have my suspicions.

Inspector Clouseau, is that your job as moderator? Track down an IP address and guess what club a poster is with? I think not! This forum allows people to be anonymous so why is it your job to find out if there is any affiliation to a club at all when somebody is posting. FYI I have probably knocked EVERY club on this forum as they all have their issues, albeit different issues. So, just post what it is written unless you find it utterly inappropriate which on this forum I am not sure is even possible based on what I have seen.

I will continue to ask our posters questions or comment on their opinions. You go back to "knocking EVERY club on this forum" (your words). Stay tuned for my next opinionated post.......

The previous post has been edited. Here's a message for the poster. Really?? You think you're going to post comments like that? Your messing with the wrong guy PAL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What i think is most pathetic about the TG club is how much the parents kiss up to BS. Was at the Hofstra game today and watched a TG parent walk past BS 4 times in hopes that he would see them. Could not have been more obvious. Then I heard another parent say "I may go over and say hi but not sure if he knows who my daughter is". I mean really? How old are you people? How sad and pathetic can you all be? My daughter was laughing when she heard and saw the actions and discussions from the parents. The kids were not even watching the game and were walking around. I mean if you are going to take time to take your kid to a game make it a learning experience. DOnt go just so SS or BS will see you and try and kiss up to them. If your daughter is good, she will be noticed - bottom line.

a

Agree. If BS was a real coach/director he would have sat with the kids and used the game as a teaching moment. We know that is not how that works.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What i think is most pathetic about the TG club is how much the parents kiss up to BS. Was at the Hofstra game today and watched a TG parent walk past BS 4 times in hopes that he would see them. Could not have been more obvious. Then I heard another parent say "I may go over and say hi but not sure if he knows who my daughter is". I mean really? How old are you people? How sad and pathetic can you all be? My daughter was laughing when she heard and saw the actions and discussions from the parents. The kids were not even watching the game and were walking around. I mean if you are going to take time to take your kid to a game make it a learning experience. DOnt go just so SS or BS will see you and try and kiss up to them. If your daughter is good, she will be noticed - bottom line.

a

Agree. If BS was a real coach/director he would have sat with the kids and used the game as a teaching moment. We know that is not how that works.

MOre people kiss up to CR drink her koolaid, do her clinics go to her husbands gym for exactly the same reasons trying to move from yellow to blue. In all programs it should be if you are good enough but we all know politics are rampant

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What i think is most pathetic about the TG club is how much the parents kiss up to BS. Was at the Hofstra game today and watched a TG parent walk past BS 4 times in hopes that he would see them. Could not have been more obvious. Then I heard another parent say "I may go over and say hi but not sure if he knows who my daughter is". I mean really? How old are you people? How sad and pathetic can you all be? My daughter was laughing when she heard and saw the actions and discussions from the parents. The kids were not even watching the game and were walking around. I mean if you are going to take time to take your kid to a game make it a learning experience. DOnt go just so SS or BS will see you and try and kiss up to them. If your daughter is good, she will be noticed - bottom line.

Enlighten us as to your club affiliation. So far you have bashed 91 and TG. Judging by your location and your language I have my suspicions.

Inspector Clouseau, is that your job as moderator? Track down an IP address and guess what club a poster is with? I think not! This forum allows people to be anonymous so why is it your job to find out if there is any affiliation to a club at all when somebody is posting. FYI I have probably knocked EVERY club on this forum as they all have their issues, albeit different issues. So, just post what it is written unless you find it utterly inappropriate which on this forum I am not sure is even possible based on what I have seen.

I will continue to ask our posters questions or comment on their opinions. You go back to "knocking EVERY club on this forum" (your words). Stay tuned for my next opinionated post.......

The previous post has been edited. Here's a message for the poster. Really?? You think you're going to post comments like that? Your messing with the wrong guy PAL.

I told you your messing with the wrong guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What i think is most pathetic about the TG club is how much the parents kiss up to BS. Was at the Hofstra game today and watched a TG parent walk past BS 4 times in hopes that he would see them. Could not have been more obvious. Then I heard another parent say "I may go over and say hi but not sure if he knows who my daughter is". I mean really? How old are you people? How sad and pathetic can you all be? My daughter was laughing when she heard and saw the actions and discussions from the parents. The kids were not even watching the game and were walking around. I mean if you are going to take time to take your kid to a game make it a learning experience. DOnt go just so SS or BS will see you and try and kiss up to them. If your daughter is good, she will be noticed - bottom line.

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Agree. If BS was a real coach/director he would have sat with the kids and used the game as a teaching moment. We know that is not how that works.

Are you delusional?? WHY would you feel that BS should do that? He was there watching the game just like many girls & their parents! BS didn't invite them to come. I think you're reaching in this one!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What i think is most pathetic about the TG club is how much the parents kiss up to BS. Was at the Hofstra game today and watched a TG parent walk past BS 4 times in hopes that he would see them. Could not have been more obvious. Then I heard another parent say "I may go over and say hi but not sure if he knows who my daughter is". I mean really? How old are you people? How sad and pathetic can you all be? My daughter was laughing when she heard and saw the actions and discussions from the parents. The kids were not even watching the game and were walking around. I mean if you are going to take time to take your kid to a game make it a learning experience. DOnt go just so SS or BS will see you and try and kiss up to them. If your daughter is good, she will be noticed - bottom line.

a

Agree. If BS was a real coach/director he would have sat with the kids and used the game as a teaching moment. We know that is not how that works.

Are you delusional?? WHY would you feel that BS should do that? He was there watching the game just like many girls & their parents! BS didn't invite them to come. I think you're reaching in this one!!

Yes totally agree, time for him to be a dad and support and enjoy his daughters efforts as a coach.

Sorry late on this one, both the **DELETED** Goalie and **DELETED** Goalie are impressive, but the **goalie is heads and heels better. Watched her in winter league play. She virtually shut down my daughter's team each time we played them, could not score on her at all, mix of **and other travel girls. Did not help she played for**DELETED**. I watched her play other teams each week before or after ours, same results. I've never seen a goalie at this age so comfortable in net, or with the ball on the field. Not affiliated with either of those teams, but played against both goalies school teams, not looking forward to playing against either one again in the spring.

DO NOT... I REPEAT.. DO NOT talk about players Are you stupid?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry late on this one, both the **DELETED** Goalie and **DELETED** Goalie are impressive, but the **goalie is heads and heels better. Watched her in winter league play. She virtually shut down my daughter's team each time we played them, could not score on her at all, mix of **and other travel girls. Did not help she played for**DELETED**. I watched her play other teams each week before or after ours, same results. I've never seen a goalie at this age so comfortable in net, or with the ball on the field. Not affiliated with either of those teams, but played against both goalies school teams, not looking forward to playing against either one again in the spring.

What are you responding to? To what age groups are you reffering?

Not sure where the topic went? 6th grade winter league at Calverton

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure where the topic went? 6th grade winter league at Calverton

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Huh, that would explain a lot.

Think they mean (MS) Mount Sinai, not Middle School

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry late on this one, both the **DELETED** Goalie and **DELETED** Goalie are impressive, but the **goalie is heads and heels better. Watched her in winter league play. She virtually shut down my daughter's team each time we played them, could not score on her at all, mix of **and other travel girls. Did not help she played for**DELETED**. I watched her play other teams each week before or after ours, same results. I've never seen a goalie at this age so comfortable in net, or with the ball on the field. Not affiliated with either of those teams, but played against both goalies school teams, not looking forward to playing against either one again in the spring.

Why would anyone come on here, individually point out two sixth grade girls, pit them against each other and leave it out there for a nasty, anonymous forum to rip into. PATHETIC.

So I am an idiot and prove it every time I open my eyes in the morning!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So I am an idiot and prove it every time I open my eyes in the morning!

Did you not see CJs post above? Why in Gods name would you call out several 13 year old girls? Maybe I'll call you out. Would you like that?

Wow, sounds like you better get your daughter some practice sessions. You must have the inside scoop on Yellow jackets 20 Mr. Knowitall. Maybe you should play for YJ. Actually dont she wouldn't play there either. Better yet have your daughter tryout for glee club. I hear it's much less competitive.lol

That post was most likely somebody from another club trying to rattle Topgun 20 team . Fear and jealousy make people say crazy things..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So I am an idiot and prove it every time I open my eyes in the morning!

Sounds like you are from another club trying to stir something up. You really need to get a life, spend more time helping your kid get better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That post was most likely somebody from another club trying to rattle Topgun 20 team . Fear and jealousy make people say crazy things..

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Exactly, most teams feel they will beat Topgun 2020. Unfortunately they haven't when it matters. The more you write the more ignorant you sound.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That post was most likely somebody from another club trying to rattle Topgun 20 team . Fear and jealousy make people say crazy things..

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How do you suggest BS deal with that "style" of play? At this point what can be done? Can't possibly be good for a team of 22 and only one scorer. How does that boost player morale and keep the girls happy and wanting to come back?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exactly, most teams feel they will beat Topgun 2020. Unfortunately they haven't when it matters. The more you write the more ignorant you sound.

I am just a mean spirited and jealous fool.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That post was most likely somebody from another club trying to rattle Topgun 20 team . Fear and jealousy make people say crazy things..

I doubt it , if they were from another club they would not have said anything to win as most other clubs now feel they will beat 2020 TG . That being said I think only 1 kid left in order to move away from that " style " of play .

I am just a mean spirited and jealous fool.

I know only one scorer..... omg what will we do?? I hope somebody else figures out how to score or morale will be so down. Thanks for your concern.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exactly, most teams feel they will beat Topgun 2020. Unfortunately they haven't when it matters. The more you write the more ignorant you sound.

I am just a mean spirited and jealous fool.

Exactly fall tourney!! Not the summer when it counts.
Sorry you haven't had any real success yet.
Good luck you'll need it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exactly, most teams feel they will beat Topgun 2020. Unfortunately they haven't when it matters. The more you write the more ignorant you sound.

My mama didn't love me so I am damaged and have to try and hurt everyone else's kid.

Exactly fall tourney!! Not the summer when it counts.
Sorry you haven't had any real success yet.
Good luck you'll need it.

I am so jealous that I can't see..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exactly, most teams feel they will beat Topgun 2020. Unfortunately they haven't when it matters. The more you write the more ignorant you sound.

I promise to behave..

Exactly fall tourney!! Not the summer when it counts.
Sorry you haven't had any real success yet.
Good luck you'll need it.

I am an idiot

LMAO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I will stop hitting the bottle so early in the morning as I can't control myself.

Oh please - not this nonsense crap AGAIN!! It is far to early in the year to start this now!! Summer lax season hasn't even started yet!!! The girls who stayed did so because they wanted to and the girls who left did so for the same reason!! No one forced anyone to stay or leave!! Let It Go!!!

Well said!!!

"So are all my fellow TG 20 parents "

You are so clearly not a "fellow" as we do not treat each other this way.

TG2020's: Lets just respond with "go away TROLL" whenever they try to stir. We are all good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exactly, most teams feel they will beat Topgun 2020. Unfortunately they haven't when it matters. The more you write the more ignorant you sound.

EAll I speak is rubbish

Exactly fall tourney!! Not the summer when it counts.
Sorry you haven't had any real success yet.
Good luck you'll need it.

I write posts and then answer them so that people think that I am not the only idiot in here.

Legacy? Losing coach and some players now makes them beatable to other top teams, sorry Legacy is not an other top team, not close.

Go away troll you're the only one who cares

well said!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Exactly, most teams feel they will beat Topgun 2020. Unfortunately they haven't when it matters. The more you write the more ignorant you sound.

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Obviously written by someone from yj who has a hatred for some girls on both teams. Please take your medication because I'm pretty sure everyone is happy.... except you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exactly, most teams feel they will beat Topgun 2020. Unfortunately they haven't when it matters. The more you write the more ignorant you sound.

Blah blah blah blah blah Waa Waa Waa Waa

Exactly fall tourney!! Not the summer when it counts.
Sorry you haven't had any real success yet.
Good luck you'll need it.

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westhampton

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exactly, most teams feel they will beat Topgun 2020. Unfortunately they haven't when it matters. The more you write the more ignorant you sound.

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Exactly fall tourney!! Not the summer when it counts.
Sorry you haven't had any real success yet.
Good luck you'll need it.

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westhampton

Oh good the obsessive clown who is too afraid to speak directly with the object of his affection is back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Exactly, most teams feel they will beat Topgun 2020. Unfortunately they haven't when it matters. The more you write the more ignorant you sound.

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Exactly fall tourney!! Not the summer when it counts.
Sorry you haven't had any real success yet.
Good luck you'll need it.

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Obviously written by someone from yj who has a hatred for some girls on both teams. Please take your medication because I'm pretty sure everyone is happy.... except you

Your obsession with this "one" 7th grade girl is concerning and in poor taste. Please message me as soon as possible as I have been contacted by a parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exactly, most teams feel they will beat Topgun 2020. Unfortunately they haven't when it matters. The more you write the more ignorant you sound.

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Exactly fall tourney!! Not the summer when it counts.
Sorry you haven't had any real success yet.
Good luck you'll need it.

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After reviewing your posts we see a past nasty conflict you had with other posters concerning cheating and other ridiculous back and forth posts. With the addition of the post singling out a 13 year old girl and a complaint received I will again tell you to message me or be banned from BOTC. I prefer Handling it between us as opposed to getting others involved.

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Exactly, most teams feel they will beat Topgun 2020. Unfortunately they haven't when it matters. The more you write the more ignorant you sound.

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Exactly fall tourney!! Not the summer when it counts.
Sorry you haven't had any real success yet.
Good luck you'll need it.

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After reviewing your posts we see a past nasty conflict you had with other posters concerning cheating and other ridiculous back and forth posts. With the addition of the post singling out a 13 year old girl and a complaint received I will again tell you to message me or be banned from BOTC. I prefer Handling it between us as opposed to getting others involved.

I would prefer to be banned as I do not believe my last 2 posts which were in response to other peoples posts were in any way nasty and were really about style of play. I will help you out and implement a life time ban of my own as your ever changing editing process and obvious bias make it too easy to distort peoples words.This will be my last post and I will block this site from my computer so as no others can post.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exactly, most teams feel they will beat Topgun 2020. Unfortunately they haven't when it matters. The more you write the more ignorant you sound.

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Exactly fall tourney!! Not the summer when it counts.
Sorry you haven't had any real success yet.
Good luck you'll need it.

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After reviewing your posts we see a past nasty conflict you had with other posters concerning cheating and other ridiculous back and forth posts. With the addition of the post singling out a 13 year old girl and a complaint received I will again tell you to message me or be banned from BOTC. I prefer Handling it between us as opposed to getting others involved.

I would prefer to be banned as I do not believe my last 2 posts which were in response to other peoples posts were in any way nasty and were really about style of play. I will help you out and implement a life time ban of my own as your ever changing editing process and obvious bias make it too easy to distort peoples words.This will be my last post and I will block this site from my computer so as no others can post.

You are a very disturbed individual and good riddance to bad rubbish, as they say. I got rid of all of your nastiness in here. What a very small person you are to attack children. What's wrong... your mama didn't love you enough?

Stay gone.. I will be watching and if I see you back in here, you will be banned. Let's hope you get some help.

Got to see a small amount of TG2020 vs Redshirt2020 today. Looked like a good game and good competition. Didn't know who was ahead or behind because there was no score table, what was the score on that game?

Total of 15 Long Island girls are playing in the first round of the NCAA tournament, Fairfield vs. Princeton, being played at Stony Brook this Friday at 7pm. Come out and cheer for the local young ladies......Winner plays Stony Brook on Sunday...

It looks like TG 2021 is registered for National Draw and Rock the Fields the weekend of 6/19. I would think this would be hard to do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like TG 2021 is registered for National Draw and Rock the Fields the weekend of 6/19. I would think this would be hard to do.

No TG teams in Maryland that weekend, all at Draw

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like TG 2021 is registered for National Draw and Rock the Fields the weekend of 6/19. I would think this would be hard to do.

TG 2021 will have no impact on tournaments this summer. They were "ok" last summer and most teams got increasingly better. They seemed to stay the same or slide slightly. Wont be in the top 5.

What happened with 2017 rosters?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like TG 2021 is registered for National Draw and Rock the Fields the weekend of 6/19. I would think this would be hard to do.

TG 2021 will have no impact on tournaments this summer. They were "ok" last summer and most teams got increasingly better. They seemed to stay the same or slide slightly. Wont be in the top 5.

Thanks for the insightful comment.

Why must you people come on here and be idiots. Maybe people affiliated with the club would like to use the thread for what it's intended. For getting information. Get a life

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why must you people come on here and be idiots. Maybe people affiliated with the club would like to use the thread for what it's intended. For getting information. Get a life

And these are young girls. Our job is to build them up. Not come one here and insult them or rip them apart. Would you say this to a girls face? I doubt it. People like you hide behind your keyboard like a coward bully. Shame on you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like TG 2021 is registered for National Draw and Rock the Fields the weekend of 6/19. I would think this would be hard to do.

TG 2021 will have no impact on tournaments this summer. They were "ok" last summer and most teams got increasingly better. They seemed to stay the same or slide slightly. Wont be in the top 5.

If you're worrying about 6th graders having an impact on your summer then you need to get a life

Who are the top 2021 teams? I am guessing that Top Guns is among them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the top 2021 teams? I am guessing that Top Guns is among them.

M&D, then YJ and then there is a big gap to the #3 team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the top 2021 teams? I am guessing that Top Guns is among them.

M&D, then YJ and then there is a big gap to the #3 team

TG 2021 lost to elevate last summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the top 2021 teams? I am guessing that Top Guns is among them.

M&D, then YJ and then there is a big gap to the #3 team

MD United is probably the second best 2021 team in MD, but I agree. There is a big gap between M&D/YJ and everyone else.

Can not say TG is in the "top 3" � to be honest, it is not a good sign for a program that had been on the rise (won the U15 Nationals against YJs to gain notoriety in 2012) to lose "top tier" players to the YJs each year, and most notably (this past fall) in the 2019 and 2020 years. TGs, at all levels, just not what it used to be� or what it is cracked up to be. That said, the summer season will be telling. Will those new YJs, former TGs, be feeling relieved they left� or sorry?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can not say TG is in the "top 3"  to be honest, it is not a good sign for a program that had been on the rise (won the U15 Nationals against YJs to gain notoriety in 2012) to lose "top tier" players to the YJs each year, and most notably (this past fall) in the 2019 and 2020 years. TGs, at all levels, just not what it used to be or what it is cracked up to be. That said, the summer season will be telling. Will those new YJs, former TGs, be feeling relieved they left or sorry?

Some have already been making calls to come back.

Go away trolls

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the top 2021 teams? I am guessing that Top Guns is among them.

M&D, then YJ and then there is a big gap to the #3 team

TG 2021 lost to elevate last summer

This is far and away the most repeated sentence on all of BOTC. Close second is that elevate 2021 lost a game to YJ by one goal at some point last year. Some Elevate parent is very proud of those two games.

[quote=Anonymous]Can not say TG is in the "top 3" � to be honest, it is not a good sign for a program that had been on the rise (won the U15 Nationals against YJs to gain notoriety in 2012) to lose "top tier" players to the YJs each year, and most notably (this past fall) in the 2019 and 2020 years. TGs, at all levels, just not what it used to be� or what it is cracked up to be. That said, the summer season will be telling. Will those new YJs, former TGs, be feeling relieved they left� or sorry?

For a couple of them if sitting on the bench and watching the YJ play then yes they will be plenty relieved.

"Go away trolls" �. you ask for a devoted thread� people view it, make educated, fact based comment and you tell them to go away. Respond with facts and you gain more credibility� and respect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened with 2017 rosters?

Purple roster is too large too fit on the page. Parents are pissed but afraid to say anything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Go away trolls" �. you ask for a devoted thread� people view it, make educated, fact based comment and you tell them to go away. Respond with facts and you gain more credibility� and respect.

Some of the info above comes from people on the inside, not the trolls.

Let's rephrase those previous comments more appropriately. BS and SS listen very carefully to Mr. BOE and the WB crowd (you can see them huddling at camps, tournaments, before tryouts, ect.) I never said he wasn't well respected in his community, or that his family was bad, his girls are great kids. I am sure he is a good person who cares, and does a great deal for his community. But that includes looking out for WB girls in the TG program.

Whether or not BS and SS pander to him out of fear of losing their fields or being hometown WB people, or both, it happens regardless of the reason. There are WB girls on his daughters black teams that do not deserve to be there over other girls on the purple team or ones who have left the program. Especially in 2021 and 2022. That is why they will not be in the conversation of a top team.

This practice is a detriment to the TG program, they have girls on their top teams that are there because they are from WB, while better girls are put onto lesser teams, and these better girls either leave or don't take the invite and go to other large clubs (JY) making them even larger and making their top 2 teams stronger eventually over TG 1st teams. No example of WB favoritism is even more glaring than the 2022 teams. TG 22 Black will lose to both of the YJ teams this year, and both Elevates this year. Not so much that the talent is on the purple team, but because is you are not from WB, you wont get a fair shot at making the team.

All of the 4 younger age groups are affected by this, thus you seeing the results of that WB partnership drag down the club. It is not that girls are on the wrong team, it is they are flat out leaving because of this. Whether they don't want to play with lesser girls on the top team, or they are deserving and passed over to put a WB girls who is less skilled on that team. NO doubt that TG is losing and deterring talent from their program because of this.

Hmmm, the BOE connection is an interesting tidbit that was not widely known � curious about the post, and the allegation about the BOE member affecting the TG black teams, especially the 4 youngest years � a little research reveals that in fact an officer/member of the BOE for West Babylon Schools (http://www.wbschools.org/boardofeducation/default.aspx) does have the same last name as several girls in the TG program: the 2019 Black, 2020 Black, 2021 Black AND 2022 Black teams. Puts an interesting spin on your points and the affect it is having on the club. Enlightening, actually.

National Draw schedules are up on website. We are coming down from Mass to play and are in the bracket with Top Gun 2019. Was wondering what you guys thought of your team this summer. Looking forward to the competition and seeing how our girls stack up against the strong programs like TG.

Hope for great weather and great games. See you all on the sidelines!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hmmm, the BOE connection is an interesting tidbit that was not widely known � curious about the post, and the allegation about the BOE member affecting the TG black teams, especially the 4 youngest years � a little research reveals that in fact an officer/member of the BOE for West Babylon Schools (http://www.wbschools.org/boardofeducation/default.aspx) does have the same last name as several girls in the TG program: the 2019 Black, 2020 Black, 2021 Black AND 2022 Black teams. Puts an interesting spin on your points and the affect it is having on the club. Enlightening, actually.

Not enlightening. This is a non issue. Man in question has nothing to do with team selection. Only has 3 girls playing not 4. 2020 girl is not his. Top Guns is a West Babylon based travel team with many West Babylon girls on almost every team. 2021 black does have the most WB girls. If you don't want your daughter to play with them then go somewhere else. If you feel they aren't up to your standard then go somewhere else. If you don't like the way they play then go somewhere else. If you have issues with this team then call Mr. Smith and talk to him about it instead of coming on here like a total coward and posting that crap. It sounds to me like you have more of an issue with the man in question than anything else.

It is enlightening if you are new to the club and don't know the "connections" (every club seems to have them) but it is good to know. Thanks for sharing. Good luck to the girls!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hmmm, the BOE connection is an interesting tidbit that was not widely known � curious about the post, and the allegation about the BOE member affecting the TG black teams, especially the 4 youngest years � a little research reveals that in fact an officer/member of the BOE for West Babylon Schools (http://www.wbschools.org/boardofeducation/default.aspx) does have the same last name as several girls in the TG program: the 2019 Black, 2020 Black, 2021 Black AND 2022 Black teams. Puts an interesting spin on your points and the affect it is having on the club. Enlightening, actually.

Not enlightening. This is a non issue. Man in question has nothing to do with team selection. Only has 3 girls playing not 4. 2020 girl is not his. Top Guns is a West Babylon based travel team with many West Babylon girls on almost every team. 2021 black does have the most WB girls. If you don't want your daughter to play with them then go somewhere else. If you feel they aren't up to your standard then go somewhere else. If you don't like the way they play then go somewhere else. If you have issues with this team then call Mr. Smith and talk to him about it instead of coming on here like a total coward and posting that crap. It sounds to me like you have more of an issue with the man in question than anything else.

let me guess..........Your from W.B. and benefited from this? Am I right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hmmm, the BOE connection is an interesting tidbit that was not widely known � curious about the post, and the allegation about the BOE member affecting the TG black teams, especially the 4 youngest years � a little research reveals that in fact an officer/member of the BOE for West Babylon Schools (http://www.wbschools.org/boardofeducation/default.aspx) does have the same last name as several girls in the TG program: the 2019 Black, 2020 Black, 2021 Black AND 2022 Black teams. Puts an interesting spin on your points and the affect it is having on the club. Enlightening, actually.

Not enlightening. This is a non issue. Man in question has nothing to do with team selection. Only has 3 girls playing not 4. 2020 girl is not his. Top Guns is a West Babylon based travel team with many West Babylon girls on almost every team. 2021 black does have the most WB girls. If you don't want your daughter to play with them then go somewhere else. If you feel they aren't up to your standard then go somewhere else. If you don't like the way they play then go somewhere else. If you have issues with this team then call Mr. Smith and talk to him about it instead of coming on here like a total coward and posting that crap. It sounds to me like you have more of an issue with the man in question than anything else.

let me guess..........Your from W.B. and benefited from this? Am I right?

I am from West Babylon but I didn't benefit from this. I dont have a daughter in any of his age groups. I know the man who is being accused and he has no decision making within TG. Previous poster must have an issue with this man. BS and SS speak to a lot of the WB parents because we know them outside of lacrosse circles. No WB parent has sway with them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hmmm, the BOE connection is an interesting tidbit that was not widely known � curious about the post, and the allegation about the BOE member affecting the TG black teams, especially the 4 youngest years � a little research reveals that in fact an officer/member of the BOE for West Babylon Schools (http://www.wbschools.org/boardofeducation/default.aspx) does have the same last name as several girls in the TG program: the 2019 Black, 2020 Black, 2021 Black AND 2022 Black teams. Puts an interesting spin on your points and the affect it is having on the club. Enlightening, actually.

Not enlightening. This is a non issue. Man in question has nothing to do with team selection. Only has 3 girls playing not 4. 2020 girl is not his. Top Guns is a West Babylon based travel team with many West Babylon girls on almost every team. 2021 black does have the most WB girls. If you don't want your daughter to play with them then go somewhere else. If you feel they aren't up to your standard then go somewhere else. If you don't like the way they play then go somewhere else. If you have issues with this team then call Mr. Smith and talk to him about it instead of coming on here like a total coward and posting that crap. It sounds to me like you have more of an issue with the man in question than anything else.

let me guess..........Your from W.B. and benefited from this? Am I right?

I am from West Babylon but I didn't benefit from this. I dont have a daughter in any of his age groups. I know the man who is being accused and he has no decision making within TG. Previous poster must have an issue with this man. BS and SS speak to a lot of the WB parents because we know them outside of lacrosse circles. No WB parent has sway with them.

Be careful.
Accusations pointed at a public school official are serious. If unfounded there are ramifications and the person who posted them will wish they handled it differently.
Each post is tracked and identified for future reference.

If anyone has an issue concerning ethics or playing time or anything else I suggest you contact the club directors and the BOE member directly. This is not the place to publicly publish accusations that may be unfounded.

I don't live In W.B., and my daughter does not play for T.G. I am not accusing anyone of anything nor do I care what happens. Being an outsider looking in the shadow of impropriety looms very long over this issue. if this B.O.E. member has 3 children playing on T.G. and the club, a for profit endeavor, is using school fields for practice, I can see how some parents are put off. Let us all be honest, I don't think the B.O.E. member is overtly stating that he wants x,y,z, girls put on any team, but as the above poster states, they are "friendly" out of school functions and I am sure that the Smiths are well aware of who the B.O.E. members daughters is, and who there friends are. If B.S. wants to dilute the T.G. name that is his call. If I was a parent of a Black player that was not considered a blue chip player, but still a top prospect, I would be looking at other clubs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't live In W.B., and my daughter does not play for T.G. I am not accusing anyone of anything nor do I care what happens. Being an outsider looking in the shadow of impropriety looms very long over this issue. if this B.O.E. member has 3 children playing on T.G. and the club, a for profit endeavor, is using school fields for practice, I can see how some parents are put off. Let us all be honest, I don't think the B.O.E. member is overtly stating that he wants x,y,z, girls put on any team, but as the above poster states, they are "friendly" out of school functions and I am sure that the Smiths are well aware of who the B.O.E. members daughters is, and who there friends are. If B.S. wants to dilute the T.G. name that is his call. If I was a parent of a Black player that was not considered a blue chip player, but still a top prospect, I would be looking at other clubs

I always find it funny and sad at the same time when people say they don't live in the district or they don't have an interest in a subject and then go on to strongly opine on an issue referencing specific details on the subject.

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't live In W.B., and my daughter does not play for T.G. I am not accusing anyone of anything nor do I care what happens. Being an outsider looking in the shadow of impropriety looms very long over this issue. if this B.O.E. member has 3 children playing on T.G. and the club, a for profit endeavor, is using school fields for practice, I can see how some parents are put off. Let us all be honest, I don't think the B.O.E. member is overtly stating that he wants x,y,z, girls put on any team, but as the above poster states, they are "friendly" out of school functions and I am sure that the Smiths are well aware of who the B.O.E. members daughters is, and who there friends are. If B.S. wants to dilute the T.G. name that is his call. If I was a parent of a Black player that was not considered a blue chip player, but still a top prospect, I would be looking at other clubs

I always find it funny and sad at the same time when people say they don't live in the district or they don't have an interest in a subject and then go on to strongly opine on an issue referencing specific details on the subject.

I do live in WB and I have a Daughter on TG and I can honestly say this man has no influence over anything that TG does. Being a board member has no bearing on selection for any of the TG teams. Field use has been set up long before he was even a board member. All of his girls belong on the teams that they play for. Should the WB parents not speak to the Smiths in order to make outsiders happy? I think not.

Just curious ... in the 2019 age group, who would win/have they played ... YJ second team vs. TG Black?

Just curious ... in the 2019 age group, who would win/have they played ... YJ second team vs. TG Black?

The two played each last year at the national draw. TGBlack beat YJBert (now Mitchell) second team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious ... in the 2019 age group, who would win/have they played ... YJ second team vs. TG Black?

The two played each last year at the national draw. TGBlack beat YJBert (now Mitchell) second team.

Thanks. We are coming down to ND and are in the bracket with both. Hopefully we can provide some decent competition.

Who's all for the Smith son taking over the coaching for the 2020 purple girls? Another year of this and Day by day it becomes frustrating watching the two young ladies that are the current coaches attempt to hide the fact that though they may have played lacrosse that doesn't make them good coaches. I'm tired of seeing them spend a majority of practice standing around talking to each other instead of actually running drills and practicing plays. I do not see this team getting any better as there is no adequate coaching for them. these coaches only seem to act busy when SS and BS are walking by or monitoring them. TG really needs to figure out what is going on with the coaching staff. One was absent the first weekend on the road, Then they spend 45 mins at practice partner passing, Then they end practice on their own time 20 mins early and have the girls just standing around. Lets see what next weekend brings at National Draw when they go up against legacy to see if we will be back next year. Come on Top Guns let's get it together

Legacy going to be good. A lot of talent in the first unit

Key word in that post is "purple"� second team, second tier coaches � the first team at ALL the clubs is where the best coaches are found and the attention given. When the Black wins it boosts the clubs' marketing power.

I would suspect that the TG Purple girls, whom many have played together for a couple of years will beat a first year Legacy 2nd team that has never played together other than on the practice field. However, even a close game would have me wondering.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who's all for the Smith son taking over the coaching for the 2020 purple girls? Another year of this and Day by day it becomes frustrating watching the two young ladies that are the current coaches attempt to hide the fact that though they may have played lacrosse that doesn't make them good coaches. I'm tired of seeing them spend a majority of practice standing around talking to each other instead of actually running drills and practicing plays. I do not see this team getting any better as there is no adequate coaching for them. these coaches only seem to act busy when SS and BS are walking by or monitoring them. TG really needs to figure out what is going on with the coaching staff. One was absent the first weekend on the road, Then they spend 45 mins at practice partner passing, Then they end practice on their own time 20 mins early and have the girls just standing around. Lets see what next weekend brings at National Draw when they go up against legacy to see if we will be back next year. Come on Top Guns let's get it together

The TG coaching staff and lack of involvement from SS will be the downfall of the program in a few years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who's all for the Smith son taking over the coaching for the 2020 purple girls? Another year of this and Day by day it becomes frustrating watching the two young ladies that are the current coaches attempt to hide the fact that though they may have played lacrosse that doesn't make them good coaches. I'm tired of seeing them spend a majority of practice standing around talking to each other instead of actually running drills and practicing plays. I do not see this team getting any better as there is no adequate coaching for them. these coaches only seem to act busy when SS and BS are walking by or monitoring them. TG really needs to figure out what is going on with the coaching staff. One was absent the first weekend on the road, Then they spend 45 mins at practice partner passing, Then they end practice on their own time 20 mins early and have the girls just standing around. Lets see what next weekend brings at National Draw when they go up against legacy to see if we will be back next year. Come on Top Guns let's get it together

Who's all for whiney parents going through proper channels like their club Director rather than airing their dirty laundry on a public forum? Do you really expect action from TG as a result of this post?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who's all for the Smith son taking over the coaching for the 2020 purple girls? Another year of this and Day by day it becomes frustrating watching the two young ladies that are the current coaches attempt to hide the fact that though they may have played lacrosse that doesn't make them good coaches. I'm tired of seeing them spend a majority of practice standing around talking to each other instead of actually running drills and practicing plays. I do not see this team getting any better as there is no adequate coaching for them. these coaches only seem to act busy when SS and BS are walking by or monitoring them. TG really needs to figure out what is going on with the coaching staff. One was absent the first weekend on the road, Then they spend 45 mins at practice partner passing, Then they end practice on their own time 20 mins early and have the girls just standing around. Lets see what next weekend brings at National Draw when they go up against legacy to see if we will be back next year. Come on Top Guns let's get it together

Who's all for whiney parents going through proper channels like their club Director rather than airing their dirty laundry on a public forum? Do you really expect action from TG as a result of this post?

Good point! This is not the place to get any results...Smiths have always been good to us

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who's all for the Smith son taking over the coaching for the 2020 purple girls? Another year of this and Day by day it becomes frustrating watching the two young ladies that are the current coaches attempt to hide the fact that though they may have played lacrosse that doesn't make them good coaches. I'm tired of seeing them spend a majority of practice standing around talking to each other instead of actually running drills and practicing plays. I do not see this team getting any better as there is no adequate coaching for them. these coaches only seem to act busy when SS and BS are walking by or monitoring them. TG really needs to figure out what is going on with the coaching staff. One was absent the first weekend on the road, Then they spend 45 mins at practice partner passing, Then they end practice on their own time 20 mins early and have the girls just standing around. Lets see what next weekend brings at National Draw when they go up against legacy to see if we will be back next year. Come on Top Guns let's get it together

One might think this is not the best avenue to take to get results. If you have issues regarding your daughter's team there are better things to do than complain on here. Have you talked to the coaches regarding your concerns? Have you discussed it with BS or SS? If you approach it, as a reasonable adult with them, I am sure they will listen. Present the facts, no your opinions.

2019 TG Black lost 4 of their best players. They would lose to 2nd team YJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 TG Black lost 4 of their best players. They would lose to 2nd team YJ.

I wouldn't bet on it, yj 2019 teams are not very strong TG black can still beat any 2019 yj team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious ... in the 2019 age group, who would win/have they played ... YJ second team vs. TG Black?

The two played each last year at the national draw. TGBlack beat YJBert (now Mitchell) second team.

beat like a drum. was not a competitive game. both rosters have drastically changed since then though, so maybe next time it'll be a game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 TG Black lost 4 of their best players. They would lose to 2nd team YJ.

I wouldn't bet on it, yj 2019 teams are not very strong TG black can still beat any 2019 yj team

Please , first you never could beat top YJ team , you have never beaten another good team ie MD. Add in the fact that you lost 5 of your better players and will be difficult for you to win against any of the better teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 TG Black lost 4 of their best players. They would lose to 2nd team YJ.

I wouldn't bet on it, yj 2019 teams are not very strong TG black can still beat any 2019 yj team

Please , first you never could beat top YJ team , you have never beaten another good team ie MD. Add in the fact that you lost 5 of your better players and will be difficult for you to win against any of the better teams.

CR has been avoiding TG 2019 Black since they almost beat her 2018 team in a playoff game at National Draw three years ago - she knows Carro's group isn't up to it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 TG Black lost 4 of their best players. They would lose to 2nd team YJ.

I wouldn't bet on it, yj 2019 teams are not very strong TG black can still beat any 2019 yj team

Please , first you never could beat top YJ team , you have never beaten another good team ie MD. Add in the fact that you lost 5 of your better players and will be difficult for you to win against any of the better teams.

CR has been avoiding TG 2019 Black since they almost beat her 2018 team in a playoff game at National Draw three years ago - she knows Carro's group isn't up to it

Can you parents please stop. Let your daughters prove themselves on the field not behind a computer on a lax forum. The teams that are a class act win on the field and don't need to brag about it on here. Trust me, girls on both clubs are friends and end up playing together. Leave it on the field!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who's all for the Smith son taking over the coaching for the 2020 purple girls? Another year of this and Day by day it becomes frustrating watching the two young ladies that are the current coaches attempt to hide the fact that though they may have played lacrosse that doesn't make them good coaches. I'm tired of seeing them spend a majority of practice standing around talking to each other instead of actually running drills and practicing plays. I do not see this team getting any better as there is no adequate coaching for them. these coaches only seem to act busy when SS and BS are walking by or monitoring them. TG really needs to figure out what is going on with the coaching staff. One was absent the first weekend on the road, Then they spend 45 mins at practice partner passing, Then they end practice on their own time 20 mins early and have the girls just standing around. Lets see what next weekend brings at National Draw when they go up against legacy to see if we will be back next year. Come on Top Guns let's get it together

One might think this is not the best avenue to take to get results. If you have issues regarding your daughter's team there are better things to do than complain on here. Have you talked to the coaches regarding your concerns? Have you discussed it with BS or SS? If you approach it, as a reasonable adult with them, I am sure they will listen. Present the facts, no your opinions.

I see elevate 2020 beat legacy at lax by sea - will be a long summer for legacy parents who left TG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who's all for the Smith son taking over the coaching for the 2020 purple girls? Another year of this and Day by day it becomes frustrating watching the two young ladies that are the current coaches attempt to hide the fact that though they may have played lacrosse that doesn't make them good coaches. I'm tired of seeing them spend a majority of practice standing around talking to each other instead of actually running drills and practicing plays. I do not see this team getting any better as there is no adequate coaching for them. these coaches only seem to act busy when SS and BS are walking by or monitoring them. TG really needs to figure out what is going on with the coaching staff. One was absent the first weekend on the road, Then they spend 45 mins at practice partner passing, Then they end practice on their own time 20 mins early and have the girls just standing around. Lets see what next weekend brings at National Draw when they go up against legacy to see if we will be back next year. Come on Top Guns let's get it together

One might think this is not the best avenue to take to get results. If you have issues regarding your daughter's team there are better things to do than complain on here. Have you talked to the coaches regarding your concerns? Have you discussed it with BS or SS? If you approach it, as a reasonable adult with them, I am sure they will listen. Present the facts, no your opinions.

I see elevate 2020 beat legacy at lax by sea - will be a long summer for legacy parents who left TG

Correct me if I am wrong, all the kids who left went to YJ top teams. Only 2020 coach and his daughter went to Legacy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who's all for the Smith son taking over the coaching for the 2020 purple girls? Another year of this and Day by day it becomes frustrating watching the two young ladies that are the current coaches attempt to hide the fact that though they may have played lacrosse that doesn't make them good coaches. I'm tired of seeing them spend a majority of practice standing around talking to each other instead of actually running drills and practicing plays. I do not see this team getting any better as there is no adequate coaching for them. these coaches only seem to act busy when SS and BS are walking by or monitoring them. TG really needs to figure out what is going on with the coaching staff. One was absent the first weekend on the road, Then they spend 45 mins at practice partner passing, Then they end practice on their own time 20 mins early and have the girls just standing around. Lets see what next weekend brings at National Draw when they go up against legacy to see if we will be back next year. Come on Top Guns let's get it together

One might think this is not the best avenue to take to get results. If you have issues regarding your daughter's team there are better things to do than complain on here. Have you talked to the coaches regarding your concerns? Have you discussed it with BS or SS? If you approach it, as a reasonable adult with them, I am sure they will listen. Present the facts, no your opinions.

I see elevate 2020 beat legacy at lax by sea - will be a long summer for legacy parents who left TG

Correct me if I am wrong, all the kids who left went to YJ top teams. Only 2020 coach and his daughter went to Legacy.

Why

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who's all for the Smith son taking over the coaching for the 2020 purple girls? Another year of this and Day by day it becomes frustrating watching the two young ladies that are the current coaches attempt to hide the fact that though they may have played lacrosse that doesn't make them good coaches. I'm tired of seeing them spend a majority of practice standing around talking to each other instead of actually running drills and practicing plays. I do not see this team getting any better as there is no adequate coaching for them. these coaches only seem to act busy when SS and BS are walking by or monitoring them. TG really needs to figure out what is going on with the coaching staff. One was absent the first weekend on the road, Then they spend 45 mins at practice partner passing, Then they end practice on their own time 20 mins early and have the girls just standing around. Lets see what next weekend brings at National Draw when they go up against legacy to see if we will be back next year. Come on Top Guns let's get it together

One might think this is not the best avenue to take to get results. If you have issues regarding your daughter's team there are better things to do than complain on here. Have you talked to the coaches regarding your concerns? Have you discussed it with BS or SS? If you approach it, as a reasonable adult with them, I am sure they will listen. Present the facts, no your opinions.

I see elevate 2020 beat legacy at lax by sea - will be a long summer for legacy parents who left TG

I don't agree with you on that one. lax by the sea legacy beat soundly the same team that Elevate tied 7-7. Maybe it was just the first game together as a team. Takes a little while to gel as a team, most people know that. Truth is I think they have a very good foundation knowing quite a lot of them from PAL and travel ball. Heck they may only need a couple of girls to make them a very fun team to play. Good Luck

how did 2018 black do yesterday

They finished the tournament 3 - 0, unfortunately the 4th game was cancelled because of heavy thunderstorms.

TG 2018 Black went 3-0 on the weekend, but the remainder of their games were cancelled by weather.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how did 2018 black do yesterday

Black went 3-0. Last game against Skywalkers was canceled due to weather. Purple went 2-2. White went 2-0-2.

How did the 2019s do?

My daughter plays for a Mid-Atlantic team and we played one of the Top Guns teams this weekend. Thought they were well-coached and displayed great skills and sportsmanship.

Much different experience than when we've played the Yellow Jackets teams. Much different.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter plays for a Mid-Atlantic team and we played one of the Top Guns teams this weekend. Thought they were well-coached and displayed great skills and sportsmanship.

Much different experience than when we've played the Yellow Jackets teams. Much different.

What a bunch of nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter plays for a Mid-Atlantic team and we played one of the Top Guns teams this weekend. Thought they were well-coached and displayed great skills and sportsmanship.

Much different experience than when we've played the Yellow Jackets teams. Much different.

What a bunch of nonsense.

How so?? At what grade do you think TG is comparable to YJ? I am guessing that said Mid-Atlantic team is M&D. M&D 2019 beat TG Black 16-6 this weekend. They split 2 games with YJ 2 weeks ago.

2017 TG Black lost to M&D Red for goodness sake.

How so?? At what grade do you think TG is comparable to YJ? I am guessing that said Mid-Atlantic team is M&D. M&D 2019 beat TG Black 16-6 this weekend. They split 2 games with YJ 2 weeks ago.

2017 TG Black lost to M&D Red for goodness sake.

TG 2019 BLACK ALSO LOST TO STARS 14-6 THIS WEEKEND.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter plays for a Mid-Atlantic team and we played one of the Top Guns teams this weekend. Thought they were well-coached and displayed great skills and sportsmanship.

Much different experience than when we've played the Yellow Jackets teams. Much different.

What a bunch of nonsense.

How so?? At what grade do you think TG is comparable to YJ? I am guessing that said Mid-Atlantic team is M&D. M&D 2019 beat TG Black 16-6 this weekend. They split 2 games with YJ 2 weeks ago.

2017 TG Black lost to M&D Red for goodness sake.

The original point of the post was that they were appreciative and complimentary to a TG team that displayed skill and sportsmanship. I know it is a bruise to your YJ egos when another team is complimented. Being that you apparently have a daughter on 2017/2019 I am pretty sure I know who you are. Go away, don't come back to this forum, we don't miss you on Top Guns!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How so?? At what grade do you think TG is comparable to YJ? I am guessing that said Mid-Atlantic team is M&D. M&D 2019 beat TG Black 16-6 this weekend. They split 2 games with YJ 2 weeks ago.

2017 TG Black lost to M&D Red for goodness sake.

TG 2019 BLACK ALSO LOST TO STARS 14-6 THIS WEEKEND.

Who are Stars?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How so?? At what grade do you think TG is comparable to YJ? I am guessing that said Mid-Atlantic team is M&D. M&D 2019 beat TG Black 16-6 this weekend. They split 2 games with YJ 2 weeks ago.

2017 TG Black lost to M&D Red for goodness sake.

TG 2019 BLACK ALSO LOST TO STARS 14-6 THIS WEEKEND.

Who are Stars?

Stars lax is a club from Virginia. Run by HS coach of St.stephens /St Agnes. Very good club.

This is how the TGs Black teams did in pool play at Lax Inception:
2016 Black - 1st
2017 Black - 3rd
2018 Black - 1st
2019 Black - 5th

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is how the TGs Black teams did in pool play at Lax Inception:
2016 Black - 1st
2017 Black - 3rd
2018 Black - 1st
2019 Black - 5th

2017 Purple - 1st

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is how the TGs Black teams did in pool play at Lax Inception:
2016 Black - 1st
2017 Black - 3rd
2018 Black - 1st
2019 Black - 5th

2017 Purple-1st

Stars is the feeder club into Capital. 5th thru 8th grade teams are Stars, and 9th-11th grade teams are Capital.

Re Stars: how many teams do they have at each grade? Looks like their top team made it to the final against Carro in the Summer Classic� but then again, no M&D or Skywalkers at that tournament, so not as competitive.

TG 2018 Black beat Capital Blue in a back and forth game and Capital Blue tied Skywalker Blue. They are mainly St Stephens St Agnes players with some Bishop Ireton and Georgetown Visitation girls as well

You guys really all seem to care too much about all of this, as long as the girls are having fun, playing and getting better, which I see them all getting better at the practices I attend, I dont understand why everyone cares what everyone else is doing. In my case its 5th grade and 7th grade lacrosse that I am lucky enough to have my daughters that are good enough to play and shine most of the time on the field. Show up to the tournaments enjoy your time with your daughters, make friends with the parents on the team and all TG parents and make a great summer of it. The girls enjoy playing and it seems to me that all you lunatics take this way more serious than your daughters do. My daughters love it, they want to win but they want to play and have a good time. Cheer hard, enjoy the great days on the lax field and really soak it all in because it will be over faster than we think. Lets have a great weekend and hope all of the TG teams play as well as we know they can.

Well said !!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is how the TGs Black teams did in pool play at Lax Inception:
2016 Black - 1st
2017 Black - 3rd
2018 Black - 1st
2019 Black - 5th

2017 Purple-1st

Pool play is the key phrase there. Hard to judge anything from pool play and since many of the playoffs were canceled, the only thing you might take out if the tournament is a head to head matchup against a good team within your pool. Even pool play had games canceled, would have been a nice test for tg18blk vs sw18bl. Never happened.

Pool play is the key phrase there. Hard to judge anything from pool play and since many of the playoffs were canceled, the only thing you might take out if the tournament is a head to head matchup against a good team within your pool. Even pool play had games canceled, would have been a nice test for tg18blk vs sw18bl. Never happened.

The 16s and 17s were not in a championship format, so there were no playoffs.
Definitely would have been interesting to see the result of the TG18Black and the SW18 Blue� both top tier teams� and the winner would have advanced to the playoff round.

Hopefully TG teams will get out of their pools this weekend at ND. Good luck!

[quote=Anonymous]Hopefully TG teams will get out of their pools this weekend at ND. Good luck!

I know my Yellow Jacket teams will.

WHAT A SORE WINNER OR MAYBE LOSER!!!!

I see TG 2020 Black is playing TE 2020 Blue this weekend...how is that going to go? I know TG beat TE by 1 last year at ND

They beat everyone last year! Saturday you will know all

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH !!!!!
LET THE KIDS PLAY.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see TG 2020 Black is playing TE 2020 Blue this weekend...how is that going to go? I know TG beat TE by 1 last year at ND

You must have stopped watching that game at halftime because the final was 5-2

Good Luck to all the TG teams this weekend, this is really a great tournament where we get to see all the hard work and dedication that these girls put in all year. Cant wait to watch some really good lax this weekend while enjoying the company of some great parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good Luck to all the TG teams this weekend, this is really a great tournament where we get to see all the hard work and dedication that these girls put in all year. Cant wait to watch some really good lax this weekend while enjoying the company of some great parents.

Then you should be driving to MD where most of the good teams will be

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good Luck to all the TG teams this weekend, this is really a great tournament where we get to see all the hard work and dedication that these girls put in all year. Cant wait to watch some really good lax this weekend while enjoying the company of some great parents.

Then you should be driving to MD where most of the good teams will be

No, actually all the Md teams are driving to Richmond Virginia

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good Luck to all the TG teams this weekend, this is really a great tournament where we get to see all the hard work and dedication that these girls put in all year. Cant wait to watch some really good lax this weekend while enjoying the company of some great parents.

Then you should be driving to MD where most of the good teams will be

No, actually all the Md teams are driving to Richmond Virginia

Not the 2019s and younger that actually play in these tournaments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who's all for the Smith son taking over the coaching for the 2020 purple girls? Another year of this and Day by day it becomes frustrating watching the two young ladies that are the current coaches attempt to hide the fact that though they may have played lacrosse that doesn't make them good coaches. I'm tired of seeing them spend a majority of practice standing around talking to each other instead of actually running drills and practicing plays. I do not see this team getting any better as there is no adequate coaching for them. these coaches only seem to act busy when SS and BS are walking by or monitoring them. TG really needs to figure out what is going on with the coaching staff. One was absent the first weekend on the road, Then they spend 45 mins at practice partner passing, Then they end practice on their own time 20 mins early and have the girls just standing around. Lets see what next weekend brings at National Draw when they go up against legacy to see if we will be back next year. Come on Top Guns let's get it together

As predicted, TG Purple 20 did poorly at ND, you other parents keep being quiet and not speaking up and this is what happens. Legacy out coached and out played us , Our girls need to pass and move the ball more and lastly we need better coaches, the coaches of this team need to go. Once again no plays/ girls not playing proper positions, girls shuffled all about. The last blowout game was the deciding factor for us. Nothing against the Smiths but if they can't see or don't care what's happening here then I'm not sure what's going to happen to this team. Please don't tell me to speak with them about it, they read the forums. Just needed to vent a bit frustrated and spending thousands every year and tired of getting nothing out of it other than lousy coaching

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who's all for the Smith son taking over the coaching for the 2020 purple girls? Another year of this and Day by day it becomes frustrating watching the two young ladies that are the current coaches attempt to hide the fact that though they may have played lacrosse that doesn't make them good coaches. I'm tired of seeing them spend a majority of practice standing around talking to each other instead of actually running drills and practicing plays. I do not see this team getting any better as there is no adequate coaching for them. these coaches only seem to act busy when SS and BS are walking by or monitoring them. TG really needs to figure out what is going on with the coaching staff. One was absent the first weekend on the road, Then they spend 45 mins at practice partner passing, Then they end practice on their own time 20 mins early and have the girls just standing around. Lets see what next weekend brings at National Draw when they go up against legacy to see if we will be back next year. Come on Top Guns let's get it together

As predicted, TG Purple 20 did poorly at ND, you other parents keep being quiet and not speaking up and this is what happens. Legacy out coached and out played us , Our girls need to pass and move the ball more and lastly we need better coaches, the coaches of this team need to go. Once again no plays/ girls not playing proper positions, girls shuffled all about. The last blowout game was the deciding factor for us. Nothing against the Smiths but if they can't see or don't care what's happening here then I'm not sure what's going to happen to this team. Please don't tell me to speak with them about it, they read the forums. Just needed to vent a bit frustrated and spending thousands every year and tired of getting nothing out of it other than lousy coaching

Then go talk to BS, be an adult, talk to the club make your issues known to the directors, have a discussion and see what the response is. Maybe they have a different view and can enlighten you, maybe they will step up and have one of the directors work with the girls on their problem areas. Otherwise vent to your spouse or therapist. From what I see at the practice fields, maybe it's not a coaching issue, but an attendance issue at practices. Maybe it's a catching and throwing issue. No coach is going to be able to go to the girls houses and get them to put time in on the wall. I have watched the girls doing the weave and it was a struggle for them. Seems like they need to be more self motivated and work on their game more than only on Wednesdays. It's not about plays at their age it is about clearing and moving on the transition, it's about the ride causing turnovers, it's about girls stepping up and wanting to play defense to get some wins. Get those things straight and the offense will fall into place.

Good luck, there is some talent there.

I just saw from the National Draw website that all Sunday games have been cancelled due to heavy rain last night and fields are unplayable today...safe trip back

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who's all for the Smith son taking over the coaching for the 2020 purple girls? Another year of this and Day by day it becomes frustrating watching the two young ladies that are the current coaches attempt to hide the fact that though they may have played lacrosse that doesn't make them good coaches. I'm tired of seeing them spend a majority of practice standing around talking to each other instead of actually running drills and practicing plays. I do not see this team getting any better as there is no adequate coaching for them. these coaches only seem to act busy when SS and BS are walking by or monitoring them. TG really needs to figure out what is going on with the coaching staff. One was absent the first weekend on the road, Then they spend 45 mins at practice partner passing, Then they end practice on their own time 20 mins early and have the girls just standing around. Lets see what next weekend brings at National Draw when they go up against legacy to see if we will be back next year. Come on Top Guns let's get it together

As predicted, TG Purple 20 did poorly at ND, you other parents keep being quiet and not speaking up and this is what happens. Legacy out coached and out played us , Our girls need to pass and move the ball more and lastly we need better coaches, the coaches of this team need to go. Once again no plays/ girls not playing proper positions, girls shuffled all about. The last blowout game was the deciding factor for us. Nothing against the Smiths but if they can't see or don't care what's happening here then I'm not sure what's going to happen to this team. Please don't tell me to speak with them about it, they read the forums. Just needed to vent a bit frustrated and spending thousands every year and tired of getting nothing out of it other than lousy coaching

You must be a joy to share the sideline with - or even worse, the car on the drive home. I feel sorry for your daughter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Hopefully TG teams will get out of their pools this weekend at ND. Good luck!

I know my Yellow Jacket teams will.

Didn't see all your YJ teams get out of pool play. None of your second teams made it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Hopefully TG teams will get out of their pools this weekend at ND. Good luck!

I know my Yellow Jacket teams will.

Didn't see all your YJ teams get out of pool play. None of your second teams made it.

2022 Final - YJ Russ vs. YJ Harney.

safe trip home everyone

The rain did 2018 purple and white a favor

I agree that these two teams didn't have a good day Saturday but they both deserve better attention from the club. Both teams have some good players. Purple team lost one of the coaches when the club felt they were needed for another team. Doesn't leave the kids feeling important to the club. The remaining coach is very nice but someone needs to step up and tell the girls to move the ball and play as a TEAM!!!

Trying to keep running the ball selfishly ruined both games. Bill smith did attend purples second game BUT encouraged some of the selfish play.

Hopeful balance of tournaments go better. Have a good night.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that these two teams didn't have a good day Saturday but they both deserve better attention from the club. Both teams have some good players. Purple team lost one of the coaches when the club felt they were needed for another team. Doesn't leave the kids feeling important to the club. The remaining coach is very nice but someone needs to step up and tell the girls to move the ball and play as a TEAM!!!

Trying to keep running the ball selfishly ruined both games. Bill smith did attend purples second game BUT encouraged some of the selfish play.

Hopeful balance of tournaments go better. Have a good night.

If you took 10 girls from purple and 10 girls from white with their goalie, you would have a very good team. Both teams have girls that shouldn't be playing travel lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that these two teams didn't have a good day Saturday but they both deserve better attention from the club. Both teams have some good players. Purple team lost one of the coaches when the club felt they were needed for another team. Doesn't leave the kids feeling important to the club. The remaining coach is very nice but someone needs to step up and tell the girls to move the ball and play as a TEAM!!!

Trying to keep running the ball selfishly ruined both games. Bill smith did attend purples second game BUT encouraged some of the selfish play.

Hopeful balance of tournaments go better. Have a good night.

If you took 10 girls from purple and 10 girls from white with their goalie, you would have a very good team. Both teams have girls that shouldn't be playing travel lacrosse.

Its great that all the girls play - except for the ones who don't go to practice. If you can't show up for practice, without a legitimate reason, you shouldn't play. There are girls on one of these teams who play key positions who don't practice yet get half the game time in tournaments. It's disrespectful to teammates and the club.

This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Apparently The specific club threads were closed for a while.. I for one, am glad to see them back

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Just an expenisive PAL west islip west babylon PAL team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Just an expenisive PAL west islip west babylon PAL team

And so it begins.......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Just an expenisive PAL west islip west babylon PAL team

It didn't take long for this crybaby to start to whine

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Just an expenisive PAL west islip west babylon PAL team

It didn't take long for this crybaby to start to whine

No crybaby here, it's a joke how the WB girls won't participate with the team in winter leagues and practiced. This is our last year with TG, and we are not alone. The teams remaining talent will be gone after this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Just an expenisive PAL west islip west babylon PAL team

It didn't take long for this crybaby to start to whine

No crybaby here, it's a joke how the WB girls won't participate with the team in winter leagues and practiced. This is our last year with TG, and we are not alone. The teams remaining talent will be gone after this year.

You must be referring to the 2021 girls?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Just an expenisive PAL west islip west babylon PAL team

It didn't take long for this crybaby to start to whine

No crybaby here, it's a joke how the WB girls won't participate with the team in winter leagues and practiced. This is our last year with TG, and we are not alone. The teams remaining talent will be gone after this year.

You must be referring to the 2021 girls?

Everyone knows the West Babylon board member has his own agenda. Who cares. Its winter. There are a lot of other sports and activities to do before lax starts for 7th grade girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Just an expenisive PAL west islip west babylon PAL team

It didn't take long for this crybaby to start to whine

No crybaby here, it's a joke how the WB girls won't participate with the team in winter leagues and practiced. This is our last year with TG, and we are not alone. The teams remaining talent will be gone after this year.

You must be referring to the 2021 girls?

Everyone knows the West Babylon board member has his own agenda. Who cares. Its winter. There are a lot of other sports and activities to do before lax starts for 7th grade girls.

Regardless of who's agenda or whoever is behind this has divided the team in half. The serious players (the remaining girls with talent, who are putting in the time and actually make plays, rather than sit in the 8 and wave their sticks back and forth) who want to get better and work with their teammates to build cohesiveness can't do that now. Id rather get rid of them and keep the girls from the purple team that are playing with us now in the winter league. More than half of them are better players anyway (or at least the work hard when they are out there).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Larry Miller]This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Just an expenisive PAL west islip west babylon PAL team[/quote

All good over here in West Islip.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Larry Miller]This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Just an expenisive PAL west islip west babylon PAL team[/quote

All good over here in West Islip.

How do you figure? 2017 class is good,after that not so much. 2018 girls are all slow. Program takes a nose dive after this season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Larry Miller]This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Just an expenisive PAL west islip west babylon PAL team[/quote

All good over here in West Islip.

How do you figure? 2017 class is good,after that not so much. 2018 girls are all slow. Program takes a nose dive after this season.

West Islip is in for a rude awakening when they drop down from class A to class B. No more schedule of 13 patsies and 3 hard games until playoffs.

WB board member has nothing to do with making up the teams. That is all BS and SS making those decisions. Are there too many WB girls on black? Yes. Do they all belong on that team? No.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Larry Miller]This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Just an expenisive PAL west islip west babylon PAL team[/quote

All good over here in West Islip.

How do you figure? 2017 class is good,after that not so much. 2018 girls are all slow. Program takes a nose dive after this season.

I bet you're all good when your PAL director has his head so far up BS you know what...You should be all good. When you don't have to tryout for a spot. Just say you have a concussion have your WI coach put a word in for you with BS/SS and then get moved up. Does this work for all age groups or just the 2020's as I have witnessed? you guys sure have some system in place. We get it, its a fireman thing. How much was he paid by BS for all the girls that brought along?

West Islip is in for a rude awakening when they drop down from class A to class B. No more schedule of 13 patsies and 3 hard games until playoffs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Larry Miller]This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Just an expenisive PAL west islip west babylon PAL team[/quote

All good over here in West Islip.

Some of them, but others belong on white, thanks head coach dad. Next year there will be plenty of room on Black. There are one or two WB girls who belong where they are, but the other 6 not so much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Larry Miller]This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Just an expenisive PAL west islip west babylon PAL team[/quote

All good over here in West Islip.

Some of them, but others belong on white, thanks head coach dad. Next year there will be plenty of room on Black. There are one or two WB girls who belong where they are, but the other 6 not so much.

What age are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Larry Miller]This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Just an expenisive PAL west islip west babylon PAL team[/quote

All good over here in West Islip.

Some of them, but others belong on white, thanks head coach dad. Next year there will be plenty of room on Black. There are one or two WB girls who belong where they are, but the other 6 not so much.

I disagree that very many girls would leave black. Where exactly to you see them going? YJ top team stacked at this age group. Elevate is likely a step down at this point. Legacy has a strong team one year older, not at this age. Options for leaving are very limited.

2021, but same stuff going on at 2020 and 2018. Lots of girls already left 2020 and 2018. 2021 is the next to see the talent drain.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Larry Miller]This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Just an expenisive PAL west islip west babylon PAL team[/quote

All good over here in West Islip.

Some of them, but others belong on white, thanks head coach dad. Next year there will be plenty of room on Black. There are one or two WB girls who belong where they are, but the other 6 not so much.

I disagree that very many girls would leave black. Where exactly to you see them going? YJ top team stacked at this age group. Elevate is likely a step down at this point. Legacy has a strong team one year older, not at this age. Options for leaving are very limited.

Girls are even taking spots on YJ 2nd team (2018 and 2020 girls).

So what happened to this club? Years ago they would give the YJ a run for their money.
Is it really this bad or is it one or two disgruntled parents posting?

they got decimated of their top talent and are now heading the way of beach bums. Its a shame because they had some top teams that could have challenged yj top teams that have almost no top players left. The parents had to make a decision and the ones that stayed have to be kicking themselves unless they have a kid who wants to go to Hofstra. The same argument was made when SS and Spalina took over their respective programs .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Larry Miller]This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Just an expenisive PAL west islip west babylon PAL team[/quote

All good over here in West Islip.

Some of them, but others belong on white, thanks head coach dad. Next year there will be plenty of room on Black. There are one or two WB girls who belong where they are, but the other 6 not so much.

I disagree that very many girls would leave black. Where exactly to you see them going? YJ top team stacked at this age group. Elevate is likely a step down at this point. Legacy has a strong team one year older, not at this age. Options for leaving are very limited.

Girls are even taking spots on YJ 2nd team (2018 and 2020 girls).

How is Legacy as an option

top guns lost a lot of talent over past 2 years at all teams, especially 2018, 2021 teams.

I would think by 2018 some of the top talent either committed or is playing with their high profile HS team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Larry Miller]This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Just an expenisive PAL west islip west babylon PAL team

It didn't take long for this crybaby to start to whine

No crybaby here, it's a joke how the WB girls won't participate with the team in winter leagues and practiced. This is our last year with TG, and we are not alone. The teams remaining talent will be gone after this year.

You must be referring to the 2021 girls?

F&F team the only thing missing is a WB parent coach.

Curious to see how SS manages the 2020 team without the best kid in the age group on her team anymore

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Larry Miller]This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Just an expenisive PAL west islip west babylon PAL team

It didn't take long for this crybaby to start to whine

No crybaby here, it's a joke how the WB girls won't participate with the team in winter leagues and practiced. This is our last year with TG, and we are not alone. The teams remaining talent will be gone after this year.

You must be referring to the 2021 girls?

F&F team the only thing missing is a WB parent coach.

Don't be surprised if BS coaches this team himself. A last ditch effort to keep the next recruiting age team from being fleeced like the previous 3 age groups.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Larry Miller]This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Just an expenisive PAL west islip west babylon PAL team

It didn't take long for this crybaby to start to whine

No crybaby here, it's a joke how the WB girls won't participate with the team in winter leagues and practiced. This is our last year with TG, and we are not alone. The teams remaining talent will be gone after this year.

With that said are they good at developing talent in the younger age groups?

You must be referring to the 2021 girls?

F&F team the only thing missing is a WB parent coach.

Don't be surprised if BS coaches this team himself. A last ditch effort to keep the next recruiting age team from being fleeced like the previous 3 age groups.

i disagree. 2019 has some very good talent and the 2020 do as well not sure after that

referring to west islip

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i disagree. 2019 has some very good talent and the 2020 do as well not sure after that

Sorry but the TG 2019 and 2020 top teams are no longer competitive when talking about top teams .

Why would west islip drop to class b?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Larry Miller]This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Just an expenisive PAL west islip west babylon PAL team[/quote

All good over here in West Islip.

How do you figure? 2017 class is good,after that not so much. 2018 girls are all slow. Program takes a nose dive after this season.

West Islip is in for a rude awakening when they drop down from class A to class B. No more schedule of 13 patsies and 3 hard games until playoffs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious to see how SS manages the 2020 team without the best kid in the age group on her team anymore

Here we go again!! SS will continue to coach the team the same way she did when the kid was there!! Will the team be the same without the kid, obviously not. I truly hope we are not going to have to hear about this again all season, it's been beaten to death! The kid moved on, good luck to her as she is a great player but in the words of Princess Elsa "LET IT GO"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would west islip drop to class b?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Larry Miller]This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Just an expenisive PAL west islip west babylon PAL team[/quote

All good over here in West Islip.

How do you figure? 2017 class is good,after that not so much. 2018 girls are all slow. Program takes a nose dive after this season.

West Islip is in for a rude awakening when they drop down from class A to class B. No more schedule of 13 patsies and 3 hard games until playoffs.

enrollment is down. Section 11 sets the Class A,B,C on enrollment.Girls Lacrosse Class A 1050-up, Class B 650-1049, Class C 649-below .
West Islip currently has 1130 enrolled. Looks like in a couple of years they will drop down to Class B along with many other districts.

You guys crack up us parents from MD! Nobody down here gives a crap about who is the top team, who lost who, etc. Its all trivial parent chest-thumping. All we care about is if our kids are getting better, enjoying playing, etc. We have great teams down here. We don't need to tell everybody about it. The play of our daughters teams do the talking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious to see how SS manages the 2020 team without the best kid in the age group on her team anymore

6 starters missing from the team that went undefeated two years ago, clearly a B level team at this point
summer genesis is the only competitive tournament that they will play in all summer and that probably wont go well, they will continue to beat up weak teams, but can no longer play in the deep end of the pool

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Larry Miller]This thread has been quiet. All good with the Top Guns? No issues?

Just an expenisive PAL west islip west babylon PAL team

It didn't take long for this crybaby to start to whine

No crybaby here, it's a joke how the WB girls won't participate with the team in winter leagues and practiced. This is our last year with TG, and we are not alone. The teams remaining talent will be gone after this year.

You must be referring to the 2021 girls?

F&F team the only thing missing is a WB parent coach.

Don't be surprised if BS coaches this team himself. A last ditch effort to keep the next recruiting age team from being fleeced like the previous 3 age groups.

That will hurt more than it will help. BS can teach basic lax, but he wont be able to teaher the high level concepts that the girls need to play next level and HS lax.

There are not enough strong athletes on this team to win 1 on 1's and score goals to win. The two or three remaining girls with talent will probably leave, the coaching at TG is simply weak. Do you want 2 adult coaches for an entire club, or do you want two adult coaches per team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys crack up us parents from MD! Nobody down here gives a crap about who is the top team, who lost who, etc. Its all trivial parent chest-thumping. All we care about is if our kids are getting better, enjoying playing, etc. We have great teams down here. We don't need to tell everybody about it. The play of our daughters teams do the talking.

BS ... you guys go bananas on the sidelines during games. You absolutely care. I saw Capital beat skywalkers in 2018s at President's Cup and you would have thought the parents were watching the Superbowl with their kids playing in it. Quite hysterical.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys crack up us parents from MD! Nobody down here gives a crap about who is the top team, who lost who, etc. Its all trivial parent chest-thumping. All we care about is if our kids are getting better, enjoying playing, etc. We have great teams down here. We don't need to tell everybody about it. The play of our daughters teams do the talking.

BS ... you guys go bananas on the sidelines during games. You absolutely care. I saw Capital beat skywalkers in 2018s at President's Cup and you would have thought the parents were watching the Superbowl with their kids playing in it. Quite hysterical.

Plus you are sitting around surfing this site! Gimme a break and bye the way, you don't have that many great teams so go back to reading the NY posts.

We read the LI posts for a good laugh. And, this site is not exclusive to NY.

well MD.....the site is mostly NY because there isn't much to talk about south of NY including you MD. PA, NJ, MD have nowhere near the concentration of top notch lax players as the island known as Strong Island Lax. Go work your overpaid gov't job, wear your skippers, and oh yea, Biff, take Buffy out to eat crab in your 10 year old Mercedes diesel wagon. Have a great superbowl sunday if Buffy lets you.

I'll take quality over quantity any day. I don't work for the government. What are skippers? Wife's name is NOT Buffy. I don't drive an MB. But, I LOVE crab soup. You LI "humans" crack me up.

Hey LI person...You should trademark that Strong Island Lax title. Then, you could put YJ, TG, Elevate, Beach Bums, Liberty, Express, Wave, PAL (whatever the [lacrosse] that is), M&D, Integrity, TLC, Heros, Capital, Bay Area, STEPS, etc, etc, etc out of business. You'd have ALL of the best of the best in the (obviously) best place for lax on earth. You would dominate the world (aka New [lacrosse]). You could have 37 teams at every age group, they would play each other (because you put all others out of business), you teams would win EVERY tournament, you could have your own forum website and talk to yourself. Man oh man...without variety, you'd have it made. You'd be THE MAN! Your daughter would be the only one in the world (aka New [lacrosse]) with a real FULL RIDE scholarship to any school she wanted. All because she was raised on LI. Oh yeah...nobody cares. And, what ARE skippers?

PAL
Is police athletic league
It's our town league on Long Island

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We read the LI posts for a good laugh. And, this site is not exclusive to NY.

I have been posting to this board for years, it was originally for Long Island but has grown because somehow you guys from Md. found it, it does makeit better. As far as you llaughing at us, feel free, but you cheaters down south are pretty pathetic yourselves. Md. mandates you start your kids later so they are naturally older, then you do pre first to make them a little older still, and then when you find out you really still can't compete with our kids you "reclassify". Basicly, your sending a N.Y. sophomore to play against a n 8th grader . Then you send your kid to Maryland at 20 years old, to major in numbers and science, but they will win. Then they get to take a assistant coaching job at one of the thousands of colleges down there to finally get a degree in something. Did I get that right

Nope. My kid is typical. She's a 2016, born in 1998. Wasn't held back or moved up. Will graduate from high school just after turning 18. Will play at a CAA school. I don't know ANY of her team mates that were held back. I think you're (correct spelling) confusing boys and girls.

So glad you dontt chest pump your great teams in MD. Lmao

Just because we don�t work in the cement, waste, or garment industries or are not union officials doesn�t mean we don�t work.. Just play the games and enjoy the lessons..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nope. My kid is typical. She's a 2016, born in 1998. Wasn't held back or moved up. Will graduate from high school just after turning 18. Will play at a CAA school. I don't know ANY of her team mates that were held back. I think you're (correct spelling) confusing boys and girls.

so you're ( correct when substituting for you are, as opposed to when used to show possession, learn word usage) saying you cheat only with your (still correct shows possession, it' not you are son) son. How could we take the word of known cheaters.maybe you're (again substituting for you are)lying about your daughter and her friends and they are 14 year old high school freshma, cheaters are layers you know

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nope. My kid is typical. She's a 2016, born in 1998. Wasn't held back or moved up. Will graduate from high school just after turning 18. Will play at a CAA school. I don't know ANY of her team mates that were held back. I think you're (correct spelling) confusing boys and girls.

so you're ( correct when substituting for you are, as opposed to when used to show possession, learn word usage) saying you cheat only with your (still correct shows possession, it' not you are son) son. How could we take the word of known cheaters.maybe you're (again substituting for you are)lying about your daughter and her friends and they are 14 year old high school freshma, cheaters are layers you know

The people who run TG are layers (liars), too. So get off your high horse and realize that your club is becoming a glorified PAL team.

If you don't like TG leave BS will get another fanny to come in and take your seat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you don't like TG leave BS will get another fanny to come in and take your seat.

Usually a less skilled fanny than the one that left, because the talented girls are going elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you don't like TG leave BS will get another fanny to come in and take your seat.

Usually a less skilled fanny than the one that left, because the talented girls are going elsewhere.

Judging by the 2018 age group they couldn't even do that. 3 teams has now become 2 teams because so many girls left. 2 girls left after the rosters were released already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you don't like TG leave BS will get another fanny to come in and take your seat.

Usually a less skilled fanny than the one that left, because the talented girls are going elsewhere.

Judging by the 2018 age group they couldn't even do that. 3 teams has now become 2 teams because so many girls left. 2 girls left after the rosters were released already.

Soooo..... on this site if you have 3+ teams/age group your a money grabbing organization/director/coach. If you have 2 teams that shows nobody wants to play with your organization. ......funny how that works. The only thread dumber than this one is the boys arguing if catholic/private schools are better than public.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you don't like TG leave BS will get another fanny to come in and take your seat.

Usually a less skilled fanny than the one that left, because the talented girls are going elsewhere.

Judging by the 2018 age group they couldn't even do that. 3 teams has now become 2 teams because so many girls left. 2 girls left after the rosters were released already.

Soooo..... on this site if you have 3+ teams/age group your a money grabbing organization/director/coach. If you have 2 teams that shows nobody wants to play with your organization. ......funny how that works. The only thread dumber than this one is the boys arguing if catholic/private schools are better than public.

In this case, it sounds like the latter is true - started with 3 teams and went to 2 because there weren't enough girls, not because they were more selective.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you don't like TG leave BS will get another fanny to come in and take your seat.

Usually a less skilled fanny than the one that left, because the talented girls are going elsewhere.

Judging by the 2018 age group they couldn't even do that. 3 teams has now become 2 teams because so many girls left. 2 girls left after the rosters were released already.

Soooo..... on this site if you have 3+ teams/age group your a money grabbing organization/director/coach. If you have 2 teams that shows nobody wants to play with your organization. ......funny how that works. The only thread dumber than this one is the boys arguing if catholic/private schools are better than public.

In this case, it sounds like the latter is true - started with 3 teams and went to 2 because there weren't enough girls, not because they were more selective.

Let them leave. More playing time for my kid.

They try to field 3 teams in each age group. Now they only have enough in one age group to do that. Nd that will likely change next year, judging from the discord on the top team already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They try to field 3 teams in each age group. Now they only have enough in one age group to do that. Nd that will likely change next year, judging from the discord on the top team already.

Discord ... is this the girls or the parents. My experience is the girls don't usually have "discord" in youth sports. It's the nutty parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you don't like TG leave BS will get another fanny to come in and take your seat.

Usually a less skilled fanny than the one that left, because the talented girls are going elsewhere.

Judging by the 2018 age group they couldn't even do that. 3 teams has now become 2 teams because so many girls left. 2 girls left after the rosters were released already.

Soooo..... on this site if you have 3+ teams/age group your a money grabbing organization/director/coach. If you have 2 teams that shows nobody wants to play with your organization. ......funny how that works. The only thread dumber than this one is the boys arguing if catholic/private schools are better than public.

In this case, it sounds like the latter is true - started with 3 teams and went to 2 because there weren't enough girls, not because they were more selective.

Let them leave. More playing time for my kid.

Not when there are 26-27 girls on the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They try to field 3 teams in each age group. Now they only have enough in one age group to do that. Nd that will likely change next year, judging from the discord on the top team already.

Discord ... is this the girls or the parents. My experience is the girls don't usually have "discord" in youth sports. It's the nutty parents.

I could be wrong but I believe the original intent at TG was a (2) team maximum per year...but then the demand was there for (3) teams and they did it in certain age groups. Adding a third team is watering down the talent. I would think this would make some parents disgruntled and want to move on. Now they are back to (2) teams. If I remember the second and third teams at 2018 were pretty even. Some have decided to leave.

I thought this club was started because the owner was disgusted with the YJ and their "money grabbing" ways.
I remember hearing the talk in the beginning how in the YJ organization there was so much politics and favoritism and TG would be the answer to that.
Is TG just a certain college coaches farm team?
Has TG become just another money grabbing machine playing favorites and preying on parents instinct to help their kids?

With other options available that seam to nurture the girls with professional coaching (certified coaches not college kids) and life building guidance does this club really live up to their original mission as sold.
I don't know but it's worth discussing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought this club was started because the owner was disgusted with the YJ and their "money grabbing" ways.
I remember hearing the talk in the beginning how in the YJ organization there was so much politics and favoritism and TG would be the answer to that.
Is TG just a certain college coaches farm team?
Has TG become just another money grabbing machine playing favorites and preying on parents instinct to help their kids?

With other options available that seam to nurture the girls with professional coaching (certified coaches not college kids) and life building guidance does this club really live up to their original mission as sold.
I don't know but it's worth discussing.

I am not sure TG was started so much because of the YJ money grab. More like a father seeing an opportunity and wanting a piece of the pie. They used that Money Grab to get top quality girls to come over to TG.

Initially their model worked at the time, other programs have changed to meet the demands of high level instruction, but this model doesn't develop girls to the level of quality programs anymore. TG can no longer provide the quantity or quality of instruction in their present model of having college girls coach each team. SS has little to do with the club now other than sending her Hofstra girls to pick up the slack for when the other real college coaches are not around (and that is even a step down from the college girls promised to coach the teams), and BS has limited knowledge and he is only one person (AS is infrequently available).
This has led to many, if not most of their talent to drain away. A big hit to them was when their most knowledgable coach left to start his own program. He took some talent with him and has been able to develop his new team (2020) and they are going to be close to as good as that TG team was when he was still there. People will take notice of his development model as his teams have more success. The girls who didn't go with him went to YJ to a very strong team and are very happy there. They are beginning the recruiting process and see the benefits that YJ gives them over TG.

Even with SS coaching 2020 and 2018 last summer the talent seems to be leaving. Many headed to YJ and are enjoying successful recruiting. Very few TG girls are being recruited now because other college coaches don't trust SS or BS because they see the conflict of interest and don't trust SS word.

TG is becoming the Beachbums of a few years ago,(prior to their buyout) just twice the price.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you don't like TG leave BS will get another fanny to come in and take your seat.

Just like the stock market, the LI lax scene is cyclical. Skillled enrollment is down everywhere and the original #1 club is getting the most hard core girls that are still playing while the TG's and others suffer. The C and B- players have stopped paying into to the club machines after a multi year test. The market has definitly contracted hurting everyone, even #1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought this club was started because the owner was disgusted with the YJ and their "money grabbing" ways.
I remember hearing the talk in the beginning how in the YJ organization there was so much politics and favoritism and TG would be the answer to that.
Is TG just a certain college coaches farm team?
Has TG become just another money grabbing machine playing favorites and preying on parents instinct to help their kids?

With other options available that seam to nurture the girls with professional coaching (certified coaches not college kids) and life building guidance does this club really live up to their original mission as sold.
I don't know but it's worth discussing.

I am not sure TG was started so much because of the YJ money grab. More like a father seeing an opportunity and wanting a piece of the pie. They used that Money Grab to get top quality girls to come over to TG.

Initially their model worked at the time, other programs have changed to meet the demands of high level instruction, but this model doesn't develop girls to the level of quality programs anymore. TG can no longer provide the quantity or quality of instruction in their present model of having college girls coach each team. SS has little to do with the club now other than sending her Hofstra girls to pick up the slack for when the other real college coaches are not around (and that is even a step down from the college girls promised to coach the teams), and BS has limited knowledge and he is only one person (AS is infrequently available).
This has led to many, if not most of their talent to drain away. A big hit to them was when their most knowledgable coach left to start his own program. He took some talent with him and has been able to develop his new team (2020) and they are going to be close to as good as that TG team was when he was still there. People will take notice of his development model as his teams have more success. The girls who didn't go with him went to YJ to a very strong team and are very happy there. They are beginning the recruiting process and see the benefits that YJ gives them over TG.

Even with SS coaching 2020 and 2018 last summer the talent seems to be leaving. Many headed to YJ and are enjoying successful recruiting. Very few TG girls are being recruited now because other college coaches don't trust SS or BS because they see the conflict of interest and don't trust SS word.

TG is becoming the Beachbums of a few years ago,(prior to their buyout) just twice the price.

I think this post pretty much describes the current situation at TG. My daughter had a very good experience as she was lucky enough to catch the initial wave. Its all about the coaches, TG needs to pay qualified adult coaches who want to have the best teams at their age group. coaches who will take players to fall tourn. have more than 10 practices per year, do something over the winter..etc.
just my .2 cents and I thank both BS and SS for the experience we had.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought this club was started because the owner was disgusted with the YJ and their "money grabbing" ways.
I remember hearing the talk in the beginning how in the YJ organization there was so much politics and favoritism and TG would be the answer to that.
Is TG just a certain college coaches farm team?
Has TG become just another money grabbing machine playing favorites and preying on parents instinct to help their kids?

With other options available that seam to nurture the girls with professional coaching (certified coaches not college kids) and life building guidance does this club really live up to their original mission as sold.
I don't know but it's worth discussing.

I am not sure TG was started so much because of the YJ money grab. More like a father seeing an opportunity and wanting a piece of the pie. They used that Money Grab to get top quality girls to come over to TG.

Initially their model worked at the time, other programs have changed to meet the demands of high level instruction, but this model doesn't develop girls to the level of quality programs anymore. TG can no longer provide the quantity or quality of instruction in their present model of having college girls coach each team. SS has little to do with the club now other than sending her Hofstra girls to pick up the slack for when the other real college coaches are not around (and that is even a step down from the college girls promised to coach the teams), and BS has limited knowledge and he is only one person (AS is infrequently available).
This has led to many, if not most of their talent to drain away. A big hit to them was when their most knowledgable coach left to start his own program. He took some talent with him and has been able to develop his new team (2020) and they are going to be close to as good as that TG team was when he was still there. People will take notice of his development model as his teams have more success. The girls who didn't go with him went to YJ to a very strong team and are very happy there. They are beginning the recruiting process and see the benefits that YJ gives them over TG.

Even with SS coaching 2020 and 2018 last summer the talent seems to be leaving. Many headed to YJ and are enjoying successful recruiting. Very few TG girls are being recruited now because other college coaches don't trust SS or BS because they see the conflict of interest and don't trust SS word.

TG is becoming the Beachbums of a few years ago,(prior to their buyout) just twice the price.

Very accurate post. I would like to add that preferences shown to one town and more specifically one family whose father is influential in the school district where the club is based and their daughter's/Niece's friends have enjoyed this preferential treatment. This has led to discord that has begun to boil over. In one age an entire groups of girls from this town refusing to participate in team activities, and BS and SS unwilling or unable to convince them otherwise despite the other teammates to participate in team building activities. Ne girls are being shunned by the established girls on the team from WB. Regretting paying that final payment a few weeks ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Usually a less skilled fanny than the one that left, because the talented girls are going elsewhere.

Judging by the 2018 age group they couldn't even do that. 3 teams has now become 2 teams because so many girls left. 2 girls left after the rosters were released already.

Soooo..... on this site if you have 3+ teams/age group your a money grabbing organization/director/coach. If you have 2 teams that shows nobody wants to play with your organization. ......funny how that works. The only thread dumber than this one is the boys arguing if catholic/private schools are better than public.

In this case, it sounds like the latter is true - started with 3 teams and went to 2 because there weren't enough girls, not because they were more selective.

Let them leave. More playing time for my kid.

Not when there are 26-27 girls on the team.
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how many are leaving and where are they going?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I thought this club was started because the owner was disgusted with the YJ and their "money grabbing" ways.
I remember hearing the talk in the beginning how in the YJ organization there was so much politics and favoritism and TG would be the answer to that.
Is TG just a certain college coaches farm team?
Has TG become just another money grabbing machine playing favorites and preying on parents instinct to help their kids?

With other options available that seam to nurture the girls with professional coaching (certified coaches not college kids) and life building guidance does this club really live up to their original mission as sold.
I don't know but it's worth discussing.

I am not sure TG was started so much because of the YJ money grab. More like a father seeing an opportunity and wanting a piece of the pie. They used that Money Grab to get top quality girls to come over to TG.

Initially their model worked at the time, other programs have changed to meet the demands of high level instruction, but this model doesn't develop girls to the level of quality programs anymore. TG can no longer provide the quantity or quality of instruction in their present model of having college girls coach each team. SS has little to do with the club now other than sending her Hofstra girls to pick up the slack for when the other real college coaches are not around (and that is even a step down from the college girls promised to coach the teams), and BS has limited knowledge and he is only one person (AS is infrequently available).
This has led to many, if not most of their talent to drain away. A big hit to them was when their most knowledgable coach left to start his own program. He took some talent with him and has been able to develop his new team (2020) and they are going to be close to as good as that TG team was when he was still there. People will take notice of his development model as his teams have more success. The girls who didn't go with him went to YJ to a very strong team and are very happy there. They are beginning the recruiting process and see the benefits that YJ gives them over TG.

Even with SS coaching 2020 and 2018 last summer the talent seems to be leaving. Many headed to YJ and are enjoying successful recruiting. Very few TG girls are being recruited now because other college coaches don't trust SS or BS because they see the conflict of interest and don't trust SS word.

TG is becoming the Beachbums of a few years ago,(prior to their buyout) just twice the price.

Very accurate post. I would like to add that preferences shown to one town and more specifically one family whose father is influential in the school district where the club is based and their daughter's/Niece's friends have enjoyed this preferential treatment. This has led to discord that has begun to boil over. In one age an entire groups of girls from this town refusing to participate in team activities, and BS and SS unwilling or unable to convince them otherwise despite the other teammates to participate in team building activities. Ne girls are being shunned by the established girls on the team from WB. Regretting paying that final payment a few weeks ago.

No doubt WB and West Islip are favored in this club. The club initially started out strong but did not hire qualified coaches and favoritism has led many to leave for greener pastures. Once thought to be able to compete with YJ now thats a distant memory as they just try and remain relevant

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought this club was started because the owner was disgusted with the YJ and their "money grabbing" ways.
I remember hearing the talk in the beginning how in the YJ organization there was so much politics and favoritism and TG would be the answer to that.
Is TG just a certain college coaches farm team?
Has TG become just another money grabbing machine playing favorites and preying on parents instinct to help their kids?

With other options available that seam to nurture the girls with professional coaching (certified coaches not college kids) and life building guidance does this club really live up to their original mission as sold.
I don't know but it's worth discussing.

I am not sure TG was started so much because of the YJ money grab. More like a father seeing an opportunity and wanting a piece of the pie. They used that Money Grab to get top quality girls to come over to TG.

Initially their model worked at the time, other programs have changed to meet the demands of high level instruction, but this model doesn't develop girls to the level of quality programs anymore. TG can no longer provide the quantity or quality of instruction in their present model of having college girls coach each team. SS has little to do with the club now other than sending her Hofstra girls to pick up the slack for when the other real college coaches are not around (and that is even a step down from the college girls promised to coach the teams), and BS has limited knowledge and he is only one person (AS is infrequently available).
This has led to many, if not most of their talent to drain away. A big hit to them was when their most knowledgable coach left to start his own program. He took some talent with him and has been able to develop his new team (2020) and they are going to be close to as good as that TG team was when he was still there. People will take notice of his development model as his teams have more success. The girls who didn't go with him went to YJ to a very strong team and are very happy there. They are beginning the recruiting process and see the benefits that YJ gives them over TG.

Even with SS coaching 2020 and 2018 last summer the talent seems to be leaving. Many headed to YJ and are enjoying successful recruiting. Very few TG girls are being recruited now because other college coaches don't trust SS or BS because they see the conflict of interest and don't trust SS word.

TG is becoming the Beachbums of a few years ago,(prior to their buyout) just twice the price.

Great post, dead on. Except one opinion seems way off. The quality coach that headed for the hills to start his own program, that part is correct. The thought that the team he assembled will be even remotely as dominate as TG2020blk was is a pipe dream. He never took talent with him, most of the talent did leave, just not with him. Since the TG team has drastically declined, he may soon be on par with them, but will never get to where he was when he coached at TG's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought this club was started because the owner was disgusted with the YJ and their "money grabbing" ways.
I remember hearing the talk in the beginning how in the YJ organization there was so much politics and favoritism and TG would be the answer to that.
Is TG just a certain college coaches farm team?
Has TG become just another money grabbing machine playing favorites and preying on parents instinct to help their kids?

With other options available that seam to nurture the girls with professional coaching (certified coaches not college kids) and life building guidance does this club really live up to their original mission as sold.
I don't know but it's worth discussing.

I am not sure TG was started so much because of the YJ money grab. More like a father seeing an opportunity and wanting a piece of the pie. They used that Money Grab to get top quality girls to come over to TG.

Initially their model worked at the time, other programs have changed to meet the demands of high level instruction, but this model doesn't develop girls to the level of quality programs anymore. TG can no longer provide the quantity or quality of instruction in their present model of having college girls coach each team. SS has little to do with the club now other than sending her Hofstra girls to pick up the slack for when the other real college coaches are not around (and that is even a step down from the college girls promised to coach the teams), and BS has limited knowledge and he is only one person (AS is infrequently available).
This has led to many, if not most of their talent to drain away. A big hit to them was when their most knowledgable coach left to start his own program. He took some talent with him and has been able to develop his new team (2020) and they are going to be close to as good as that TG team was when he was still there. People will take notice of his development model as his teams have more success. The girls who didn't go with him went to YJ to a very strong team and are very happy there. They are beginning the recruiting process and see the benefits that YJ gives them over TG.

Even with SS coaching 2020 and 2018 last summer the talent seems to be leaving. Many headed to YJ and are enjoying successful recruiting. Very few TG girls are being recruited now because other college coaches don't trust SS or BS because they see the conflict of interest and don't trust SS word.

TG is becoming the Beachbums of a few years ago,(prior to their buyout) just twice the price.

Great post, dead on. Except one opinion seems way off. The quality coach that headed for the hills to start his own program, that part is correct. The thought that the team he assembled will be even remotely as dominate as TG2020blk was is a pipe dream. He never took talent with him, most of the talent did leave, just not with him. Since the TG team has drastically declined, he may soon be on par with them, but will never get to where he was when he coached at TG's.

You are correct in saying that they won't. Be dominant like the 2020 Black he previously coached. What I meant to say is that he has worked hard with the girls that came with him and there was some talent maybe not top two girls but there were some good girls. He has really developed that team. I won't make any hasty silly predictions because they only bite you in the azs if you make them, but I think people will be impressed with the teams progress from last year.

Two 2018 girls left for YJ 3rd team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two 2018 girls left for YJ 3rd team

Will the grass be greener?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two 2018 girls left for YJ 3rd team

Will the grass be greener?

The instruction will be better. Recruiting opportunities will be more, and college coaches aren't shunning their director, as they are with SS. Coaches will flat out not ask their opinion (other than her friend at Towsen). She will won't send a talented girl to her conference (other than Towsen).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two 2018 girls left for YJ 3rd team

Will the grass be greener?

The instruction will be better. Recruiting opportunities will be more, and college coaches aren't shunning their director, as they are with SS. Coaches will flat out not ask their opinion (other than her friend at Towsen). She will won't send a talented girl to her conference (other than Towsen).

Please note it is TOWSON.

27 girls per team on 2018, yikes, playing time is going to be tight during a very important year to get looked at. Hope it works out for all the girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

27 girls per team on 2018, yikes, playing time is going to be tight during a very important year to get looked at. Hope it works out for all the girls.

I think theYJ top 2018 team has 26

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Two 2018 girls left for YJ 3rd team

Will the grass be greener?

The 2nd team of TG is now a purple/white 27 girls and a college coach you'll see at the end of May. YJ 3rd team has winter practices and their coach running them. Sounds like a no Brainer to go with YJ.

What are you even talking about. Tg has been practicing all winter

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are you even talking about. Tg has been practicing all winter

A one hour practice run by a few Hofstra girls, in a. Poorly lit bubble for an hour.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are you even talking about. Tg has been practicing all winter

A one hour practice run by a few Hofstra girls, in a. Poorly lit bubble for an hour.

That practice is a joke. 2017 and 2018 are combined for a total of 30 girls. Drills are basic. "world class" coaches look disinterested playing with their phones.

first off you seem to know an awful lot about what transpires for a club that you are not affiliated with
secondly, Shannon is at every practice doing the training
I don't understand why it concerns you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

first off you seem to know an awful lot about what transpires for a club that you are not affiliated with
secondly, Shannon is at every practice doing the training
I don't understand why it concerns you

Last year for us. And yes we know an awfu lot. My wife and I don't want other families to waste more money and time with this club as they have not met expectations, and put
My daughters recruiting at risk. Run if you can. Our youngest will keaventhusmyesrmto follow out oldeest, and I wished they could right the ship, but doesn't seem possible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

first off you seem to know an awful lot about what transpires for a club that you are not affiliated with
secondly, Shannon is at every practice doing the training
I don't understand why it concerns you

Last year for us. And yes we know an awfu lot. My wife and I don't want other families to waste more money and time with this club as they have not met expectations, and put
My daughters recruiting at risk. Run if you can. Our youngest will keaventhusmyesrmto follow out oldeest, and I wished they could right the ship, but doesn't seem possible.

I assume by your post that your daughter is a 2017 because you say it is your daughters last year. It also sounds like she has not been recruited as of yet. The part of your comment that strikes me is that you state that TG has not met expectations. What do you mean by that?

Did you expect them to make her a top D1 prospect? That is not how this works. Perhaps your expectations are much higher than her lacrosse skills. There are a lot of TG girls over the years that are/have gone to D1 programs. Most of these girls have gone through the same program like your daughter. So why have they been recruited? They are just better lacrosse players. I would actually say they had less training/practices than today. This is not an insult to your daughter, but you must realize our kids are not the greatest, mine included. Those young ladies that go to top D1 programs are born with certain skills and spend countless hours on their own honing those skills. TG can advise them on what to do but they cannot simply make them a better player. What's the old saying when it comes to basketball...you cannot teach height.

I wish your daughter well and I am sorry you have had such a terrible experience. We certainly have not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

first off you seem to know an awful lot about what transpires for a club that you are not affiliated with
secondly, Shannon is at every practice doing the training
I don't understand why it concerns you

Last year for us. And yes we know an awfu lot. My wife and I don't want other families to waste more money and time with this club as they have not met expectations, and put
My daughters recruiting at risk. Run if you can. Our youngest will keaventhusmyesrmto follow out oldeest, and I wished they could right the ship, but doesn't seem possible.

I assume by your post that your daughter is a 2017 because you say it is your daughters last year. It also sounds like she has not been recruited as of yet. The part of your comment that strikes me is that you state that TG has not met expectations. What do you mean by that?

Did you expect them to make her a top D1 prospect? That is not how this works. Perhaps your expectations are much higher than her lacrosse skills. There are a lot of TG girls over the years that are/have gone to D1 programs. Most of these girls have gone through the same program like your daughter. So why have they been recruited? They are just better lacrosse players. I would actually say they had less training/practices than today. This is not an insult to your daughter, but you must realize our kids are not the greatest, mine included. Those young ladies that go to top D1 programs are born with certain skills and spend countless hours on their own honing those skills. TG can advise them on what to do but they cannot simply make them a better player. What's the old saying when it comes to basketball...you cannot teach height.

I wish your daughter well and I am sorry you have had such a terrible experience. We certainly have not.

There is a huge gap between being a top D1 prospect and getting recruited by any D1, D2 or D3 school. From my experience the Smiths have been reactive as opposed to proactive. Many girls in the program feel the same way. They will contact you if a coach calls to ask about your daughter, not the other way around. Half the 2017 class are still uncommitted and more than half of 2018 are still uncommitted. At the recruiting meeting given every year, the girls are told there is a place for everyone. Well how do you find that place with no help?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

first off you seem to know an awful lot about what transpires for a club that you are not affiliated with
secondly, Shannon is at every practice doing the training
I don't understand why it concerns you

Last year for us. And yes we know an awfu lot. My wife and I don't want other families to waste more money and time with this club as they have not met expectations, and put
My daughters recruiting at risk. Run if you can. Our youngest will keaventhusmyesrmto follow out oldeest, and I wished they could right the ship, but doesn't seem possible.

I assume by your post that your daughter is a 2017 because you say it is your daughters last year. It also sounds like she has not been recruited as of yet. The part of your comment that strikes me is that you state that TG has not met expectations. What do you mean by that?

Did you expect them to make her a top D1 prospect? That is not how this works. Perhaps your expectations are much higher than her lacrosse skills. There are a lot of TG girls over the years that are/have gone to D1 programs. Most of these girls have gone through the same program like your daughter. So why have they been recruited? They are just better lacrosse players. I would actually say they had less training/practices than today. This is not an insult to your daughter, but you must realize our kids are not the greatest, mine included. Those young ladies that go to top D1 programs are born with certain skills and spend countless hours on their own honing those skills. TG can advise them on what to do but they cannot simply make them a better player. What's the old saying when it comes to basketball...you cannot teach height.

I wish your daughter well and I am sorry you have had such a terrible experience. We certainly have not.

There is a huge gap between being a top D1 prospect and getting recruited by any D1, D2 or D3 school. From my experience the Smiths have been reactive as opposed to proactive. Many girls in the program feel the same way. They will contact you if a coach calls to ask about your daughter, not the other way around. Half the 2017 class are still uncommitted and more than half of 2018 are still uncommitted. At the recruiting meeting given every year, the girls are told there is a place for everyone. Well how do you find that place with no help?

By having a realistic understanding of where your daughter's skills fit in and contacting those programs. Getting on campus to visit and attend their camp. Networking on your own etc. In my opinion, it is up to the family to drive the recruiting process, not the clubs.

Does your daughter have outstanding grades? That is the best way to actually get recruited.

The resources are out there to figure this stuff out if you work at it. LaxPower is a great resource to see the many programs out there and how they stack up in each division. Talk to other parents who have been in similar situations, they will have good advice and possibly a connection or two. Network, network , network. It's like looking for a job. You knock on a bunch of doors you are a good fit for and eventually one opens up.

Good luck!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

first off you seem to know an awful lot about what transpires for a club that you are not affiliated with
secondly, Shannon is at every practice doing the training
I don't understand why it concerns you

Last year for us. And yes we know an awfu lot. My wife and I don't want other families to waste more money and time with this club as they have not met expectations, and put
My daughters recruiting at risk. Run if you can. Our youngest will keaventhusmyesrmto follow out oldeest, and I wished they could right the ship, but doesn't seem possible.

I assume by your post that your daughter is a 2017 because you say it is your daughters last year. It also sounds like she has not been recruited as of yet. The part of your comment that strikes me is that you state that TG has not met expectations. What do you mean by that?

Did you expect them to make her a top D1 prospect? That is not how this works. Perhaps your expectations are much higher than her lacrosse skills. There are a lot of TG girls over the years that are/have gone to D1 programs. Most of these girls have gone through the same program like your daughter. So why have they been recruited? They are just better lacrosse players. I would actually say they had less training/practices than today. This is not an insult to your daughter, but you must realize our kids are not the greatest, mine included. Those young ladies that go to top D1 programs are born with certain skills and spend countless hours on their own honing those skills. TG can advise them on what to do but they cannot simply make them a better player. What's the old saying when it comes to basketball...you cannot teach height.

I wish your daughter well and I am sorry you have had such a terrible experience. We certainly have not.

There is a huge gap between being a top D1 prospect and getting recruited by any D1, D2 or D3 school. From my experience the Smiths have been reactive as opposed to proactive. Many girls in the program feel the same way. They will contact you if a coach calls to ask about your daughter, not the other way around. Half the 2017 class are still uncommitted and more than half of 2018 are still uncommitted. At the recruiting meeting given every year, the girls are told there is a place for everyone. Well how do you find that place with no help?

There are a ton of LI girls that play at the lowest D1 schools like LIU Brooklyn, St Bonnies, Quinnipiac, St Francis so there IS a place for everyone. If D1 is your thing you can find one with or without the TG's. But for the bottom 10% of D1 programs maybe you should look at D2 and strong D3 schools,. You would be surprised how good the lacrosse is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

first off you seem to know an awful lot about what transpires for a club that you are not affiliated with
secondly, Shannon is at every practice doing the training
I don't understand why it concerns you

Last year for us. And yes we know an awfu lot. My wife and I don't want other families to waste more money and time with this club as they have not met expectations, and put
My daughters recruiting at risk. Run if you can. Our youngest will keaventhusmyesrmto follow out oldeest, and I wished they could right the ship, but doesn't seem possible.

I assume by your post that your daughter is a 2017 because you say it is your daughters last year. It also sounds like she has not been recruited as of yet. The part of your comment that strikes me is that you state that TG has not met expectations. What do you mean by that?

Did you expect them to make her a top D1 prospect? That is not how this works. Perhaps your expectations are much higher than her lacrosse skills. There are a lot of TG girls over the years that are/have gone to D1 programs. Most of these girls have gone through the same program like your daughter. So why have they been recruited? They are just better lacrosse players. I would actually say they had less training/practices than today. This is not an insult to your daughter, but you must realize our kids are not the greatest, mine included. Those young ladies that go to top D1 programs are born with certain skills and spend countless hours on their own honing those skills. TG can advise them on what to do but they cannot simply make them a better player. What's the old saying when it comes to basketball...you cannot teach height.

I wish your daughter well and I am sorry you have had such a terrible experience. We certainly have not.

Your explanation is accurate, there are many players , or more correctly parents that think this club has failed them, when in fact they need to be pro active in recruiting. But the scarey part is I am watching the very best players they have, in several age groups walk away. Players that will get recruited no matter where they choose to play, yet they are choosing not to stick around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

first off you seem to know an awful lot about what transpires for a club that you are not affiliated with
secondly, Shannon is at every practice doing the training
I don't understand why it concerns you

Last year for us. And yes we know an awfu lot. My wife and I don't want other families to waste more money and time with this club as they have not met expectations, and put
My daughters recruiting at risk. Run if you can. Our youngest will keaventhusmyesrmto follow out oldeest, and I wished they could right the ship, but doesn't seem possible.

I assume by your post that your daughter is a 2017 because you say it is your daughters last year. It also sounds like she has not been recruited as of yet. The part of your comment that strikes me is that you state that TG has not met expectations. What do you mean by that?

Did you expect them to make her a top D1 prospect? That is not how this works. Perhaps your expectations are much higher than her lacrosse skills. There are a lot of TG girls over the years that are/have gone to D1 programs. Most of these girls have gone through the same program like your daughter. So why have they been recruited? They are just better lacrosse players. I would actually say they had less training/practices than today. This is not an insult to your daughter, but you must realize our kids are not the greatest, mine included. Those young ladies that go to top D1 programs are born with certain skills and spend countless hours on their own honing those skills. TG can advise them on what to do but they cannot simply make them a better player. What's the old saying when it comes to basketball...you cannot teach height.

I wish your daughter well and I am sorry you have had such a terrible experience. We certainly have not.

Your explanation is accurate, there are many players , or more correctly parents that think this club has failed them, when in fact they need to be pro active in recruiting. But the scarey part is I am watching the very best players they have, in several age groups walk away. Players that will get recruited no matter where they choose to play, yet they are choosing not to stick around.

When you go to the TG website I see something like (16) girls committed from 2018. The majority of them are from Black when you look at the rosters. There are (21) from the 2017's. I assume most are Black team as well. The 2017 group is not a strong class at TG. The 2018 group is better at least on the Black level. These numbers look OK to me. If 2018's are walking away, it is from the Purple team certainly not the Black team.

Being proactive means setting realistic college goals both athletically and more importantly academically. If your daughter wants to play D1 then she should look at lower tier teams since all the top D1 programs are long done with 2017/2018 recruits. If D2 or D3 is the goal you need to reach out and get recognized. Again, I think a lot of disgruntled parents should accept reality...IMHO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

first off you seem to know an awful lot about what transpires for a club that you are not affiliated with
secondly, Shannon is at every practice doing the training
I don't understand why it concerns you

Last year for us. And yes we know an awfu lot. My wife and I don't want other families to waste more money and time with this club as they have not met expectations, and put
My daughters recruiting at risk. Run if you can. Our youngest will keaventhusmyesrmto follow out oldeest, and I wished they could right the ship, but doesn't seem possible.

I assume by your post that your daughter is a 2017 because you say it is your daughters last year. It also sounds like she has not been recruited as of yet. The part of your comment that strikes me is that you state that TG has not met expectations. What do you mean by that?

Did you expect them to make her a top D1 prospect? That is not how this works. Perhaps your expectations are much higher than her lacrosse skills. There are a lot of TG girls over the years that are/have gone to D1 programs. Most of these girls have gone through the same program like your daughter. So why have they been recruited? They are just better lacrosse players. I would actually say they had less training/practices than today. This is not an insult to your daughter, but you must realize our kids are not the greatest, mine included. Those young ladies that go to top D1 programs are born with certain skills and spend countless hours on their own honing those skills. TG can advise them on what to do but they cannot simply make them a better player. What's the old saying when it comes to basketball...you cannot teach height.

I wish your daughter well and I am sorry you have had such a terrible experience. We certainly have not.

Your explanation is accurate, there are many players , or more correctly parents that think this club has failed them, when in fact they need to be pro active in recruiting. But the scarey part is I am watching the very best players they have, in several age groups walk away. Players that will get recruited no matter where they choose to play, yet they are choosing not to stick around.

When you go to the TG website I see something like (16) girls committed from 2018. The majority of them are from Black when you look at the rosters. There are (21) from the 2017's. I assume most are Black team as well. The 2017 group is not a strong class at TG. The 2018 group is better at least on the Black level. These numbers look OK to me. If 2018's are walking away, it is from the Purple team certainly not the Black team.

Being proactive means setting realistic college goals both athletically and more importantly academically. If your daughter wants to play D1 then she should look at lower tier teams since all the top D1 programs are long done with 2017/2018 recruits. If D2 or D3 is the goal you need to reach out and get recognized. Again, I think a lot of disgruntled parents should accept reality...IMHO

Several 2018 blacks did walk, 3 I know of. Plus top black team girls from 2019, 2020, 2021.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

first off you seem to know an awful lot about what transpires for a club that you are not affiliated with
secondly, Shannon is at every practice doing the training
I don't understand why it concerns you

Last year for us. And yes we know an awfu lot. My wife and I don't want other families to waste more money and time with this club as they have not met expectations, and put
My daughters recruiting at risk. Run if you can. Our youngest will keaventhusmyesrmto follow out oldeest, and I wished they could right the ship, but doesn't seem possible.

I assume by your post that your daughter is a 2017 because you say it is your daughters last year. It also sounds like she has not been recruited as of yet. The part of your comment that strikes me is that you state that TG has not met expectations. What do you mean by that?

Did you expect them to make her a top D1 prospect? That is not how this works. Perhaps your expectations are much higher than her lacrosse skills. There are a lot of TG girls over the years that are/have gone to D1 programs. Most of these girls have gone through the same program like your daughter. So why have they been recruited? They are just better lacrosse players. I would actually say they had less training/practices than today. This is not an insult to your daughter, but you must realize our kids are not the greatest, mine included. Those young ladies that go to top D1 programs are born with certain skills and spend countless hours on their own honing those skills. TG can advise them on what to do but they cannot simply make them a better player. What's the old saying when it comes to basketball...you cannot teach height.

I wish your daughter well and I am sorry you have had such a terrible experience. We certainly have not.

Your explanation is accurate, there are many players , or more correctly parents that think this club has failed them, when in fact they need to be pro active in recruiting. But the scarey part is I am watching the very best players they have, in several age groups walk away. Players that will get recruited no matter where they choose to play, yet they are choosing not to stick around.

When you go to the TG website I see something like (16) girls committed from 2018. The majority of them are from Black when you look at the rosters. There are (21) from the 2017's. I assume most are Black team as well. The 2017 group is not a strong class at TG. The 2018 group is better at least on the Black level. These numbers look OK to me. If 2018's are walking away, it is from the Purple team certainly not the Black team.

Being proactive means setting realistic college goals both athletically and more importantly academically. If your daughter wants to play D1 then she should look at lower tier teams since all the top D1 programs are long done with 2017/2018 recruits. If D2 or D3 is the goal you need to reach out and get recognized. Again, I think a lot of disgruntled parents should accept reality...IMHO

Can we not freak everyone out? There are still plenty of 2018 spots at good D1 programs out there. We just had a 2018 girl from our club commit to Gtown.

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Can we not freak everyone out? There are still plenty of 2018 spots at good D1 programs out there. We just had a 2018 girl from our club commit to Gtown. [/quote]

Scholarship or PWO Preferred walk on? Most teams money is gone already

Anyone else think its crazy that if you're not comitted by winter of sophomore year then your done? These girls still have 3 years of hs lax. The system is crazy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we not freak everyone out? There are still plenty of 2018 spots at good D1 programs out there. We just had a 2018 girl from our club commit to Gtown. [/quote]

Scholarship or PWO Preferred walk on? Most teams money is gone already[/quote]

I don't know the scholarship specifics. How do you know that for most teams the money is gone?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we not freak everyone out? There are still plenty of 2018 spots at good D1 programs out there. We just had a 2018 girl from our club commit to Gtown.

Scholarship or PWO Preferred walk on? Most teams money is gone already[/quote]

I don't know the scholarship specifics. How do you know that for most teams the money is gone? [/quote]

Fully funded girls programs have 12 scholarships a year for the entire team. Most of the money is gone already between girls there already and the few top commits they have.

The point of the conversation was about the majority of recruiting eligible girls at TG not feeling the love they were told they would get. If its up to the parents to sign up for clinics and camps to get their daughter seen, why are we giving so much money to these clubs?

How did they put your daughter's recruitment at risk ? Are you not in control of where your your daughter attends school ?

The club's record of players going on to play college ball over the last 3 years (2014,2015 and 2016) is very good. In fact almost 100 % in the last 2 classes. Are they all top 20 D1 ? No, But really how many kids are ?

I have been to many of the TG Recruitment meetings and can 100% state that if you listened and approached the recruitment process the way SS laid it out and were realistic your daughter would either be committed or close.

N

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did they put your daughter's recruitment at risk ? Are you not in control of where your your daughter attends school ?

The club's record of players going on to play college ball over the last 3 years (2014,2015 and 2016) is very good. In fact almost 100 % in the last 2 classes. Are they all top 20 D1 ? No, But really how many kids are ?

I have been to many of the TG Recruitment meetings and can 100% state that if you listened and approached the recruitment process the way SS laid it out and were realistic your daughter would either be committed or close.

Why aren't there any commits from the purple team?

Can not speak for 2017 but every girl from 2015 and 2016 purple that wanted to play in college will

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we not freak everyone out? There are still plenty of 2018 spots at good D1 programs out there. We just had a 2018 girl from our club commit to Gtown.

Scholarship or PWO Preferred walk on? Most teams money is gone already

I don't know the scholarship specifics. How do you know that for most teams the money is gone? [/quote]

Fully funded girls programs have 12 scholarships a year for the entire team. Most of the money is gone already between girls there already and the few top commits they have. [/quote]

I know how many total scholarships they have ... there are very few large ones handed out. The fact that you state that the money is gone for the 2018 class just has no factual basis. I'm sure there are many schools with some money left based on the fact that there are plenty of spots left and coaches generally hold on to a bit for those last few spots. I'm not saying there is a 50% scholarship to be had at a top 15 school, but there are plenty of spots, and some money, at a lot of programs. Just to throw one out there, I know there is money in 2018 class at Vandy for instance. So I think your statement about the money being all gone is just not accurate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

first off you seem to know an awful lot about what transpires for a club that you are not affiliated with
secondly, Shannon is at every practice doing the training
I don't understand why it concerns you

Last year for us. And yes we know an awfu lot. My wife and I don't want other families to waste more money and time with this club as they have not met expectations, and put
My daughters recruiting at risk. Run if you can. Our youngest will keaventhusmyesrmto follow out oldeest, and I wished they could right the ship, but doesn't seem possible.

I assume by your post that your daughter is a 2017 because you say it is your daughters last year. It also sounds like she has not been recruited as of yet. The part of your comment that strikes me is that you state that TG has not met expectations. What do you mean by that?

Did you expect them to make her a top D1 prospect? That is not how this works. Perhaps your expectations are much higher than her lacrosse skills. There are a lot of TG girls over the years that are/have gone to D1 programs. Most of these girls have gone through the same program like your daughter. So why have they been recruited? They are just better lacrosse players. I would actually say they had less training/practices than today. This is not an insult to your daughter, but you must realize our kids are not the greatest, mine included. Those young ladies that go to top D1 programs are born with certain skills and spend countless hours on their own honing those skills. TG can advise them on what to do but they cannot simply make them a better player. What's the old saying when it comes to basketball...you cannot teach height.

I wish your daughter well and I am sorry you have had such a terrible experience. We certainly have not.

Nope she's 2018, and the problem is college coaches seem to not want to deal with SS. Twice in discussion with coaches the said they would rather not speak to SS or BS. One said he was burned by one of them and he doesn't want any dealings with her. We are leaving after this year and my other daughter will leave as well. That's what I meant by last year with TG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

first off you seem to know an awful lot about what transpires for a club that you are not affiliated with
secondly, Shannon is at every practice doing the training
I don't understand why it concerns you

Last year for us. And yes we know an awfu lot. My wife and I don't want other families to waste more money and time with this club as they have not met expectations, and put
My daughters recruiting at risk. Run if you can. Our youngest will keaventhusmyesrmto follow out oldeest, and I wished they could right the ship, but doesn't seem possible.

I assume by your post that your daughter is a 2017 because you say it is your daughters last year. It also sounds like she has not been recruited as of yet. The part of your comment that strikes me is that you state that TG has not met expectations. What do you mean by that?

Did you expect them to make her a top D1 prospect? That is not how this works. Perhaps your expectations are much higher than her lacrosse skills. There are a lot of TG girls over the years that are/have gone to D1 programs. Most of these girls have gone through the same program like your daughter. So why have they been recruited? They are just better lacrosse players. I would actually say they had less training/practices than today. This is not an insult to your daughter, but you must realize our kids are not the greatest, mine included. Those young ladies that go to top D1 programs are born with certain skills and spend countless hours on their own honing those skills. TG can advise them on what to do but they cannot simply make them a better player. What's the old saying when it comes to basketball...you cannot teach height.

I wish your daughter well and I am sorry you have had such a terrible experience. We certainly have not.

Nope she's 2018, and the problem is college coaches seem to not want to deal with SS. Twice in discussion with coaches the said they would rather not speak to SS or BS. One said he was burned by one of them and he doesn't want any dealings with her. We are leaving after this year and my other daughter will leave as well. That's what I meant by last year with TG

And he close friend left for YJ this year and had offers from 4 schools after only playing in fall tourns with them. This tells me there are deeper problems that my daughters talent. We are not dilusional about how good she is, and where she can play. We just don't want out youngest to be limited by SS issues with other college coaches. That is her baggage and shouldn't become ours or any other players in TG.

If you look where the girls are going in 2017, compared to the schools
Girls where going to in 14,15 there is a huge drop off. Is that a club issue??

You seem to "know" a lot about college coach interactions. So, I'll ask. What is it that makes the other coaches not want to deal with SS?

Read what I wrote earlier. Just my experience with 2 coaches who don't care for her or her word.

So a recruiter is going to pass on her club based on the club she plays for or the coach of that club? Please elaborate a little bit her. I would think if a girl is a great lax player, they will at least want to interview her and take it from there. Lets not forget her academics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So a recruiter is going to pass on her club based on the club she plays for or the coach of that club? Please elaborate a little bit her. I would think if a girl is a great lax player, they will at least want to interview her and take it from there. Lets not forget her academics.

If she really is that great don't you think she would have left this club by now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So a recruiter is going to pass on her club based on the club she plays for or the coach of that club? Please elaborate a little bit her. I would think if a girl is a great lax player, they will at least want to interview her and take it from there. Lets not forget her academics.

If she really is that great don't you think she would have left this club by now?

Be careful she may come to your daughters club and bump her down to the B team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So a recruiter is going to pass on her club based on the club she plays for or the coach of that club? Please elaborate a little bit her. I would think if a girl is a great lax player, they will at least want to interview her and take it from there. Lets not forget her academics.

Never said a recruiter will pass on her, just that they don't want to talk to the club directors at TG. All the bologna that BS and SS talk about helping get the girls recruited is bull. We have been handeling recruiting and Im not getting into details because we are stuck with TG this year. We are leaving because there is not help from the TG club. My daughters friend at the same age team left and YJ has helped her with recruiting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So a recruiter is going to pass on her club based on the club she plays for or the coach of that club? Please elaborate a little bit her. I would think if a girl is a great lax player, they will at least want to interview her and take it from there. Lets not forget her academics.

Never said a recruiter will pass on her, just that they don't want to talk to the club directors at TG. All the bologna that BS and SS talk about helping get the girls recruited is bull. We have been handeling recruiting and Im not getting into details because we are stuck with TG this year. We are leaving because there is not help from the TG club. My daughters friend at the same age team left and YJ has helped her with recruiting.

Are you referring to paid or non-paid recruiting services?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So a recruiter is going to pass on her club based on the club she plays for or the coach of that club? Please elaborate a little bit her. I would think if a girl is a great lax player, they will at least want to interview her and take it from there. Lets not forget her academics.

If she really is that great don't you think she would have left this club by now?

Be careful she may come to your daughters club and bump her down to the B team

If she's better then my daughter then she deserves the spot. But truthfully haven't seen to many girls getting bumped down lately because of players from this club? Maybe the really good ones already left?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So a recruiter is going to pass on her club based on the club she plays for or the coach of that club? Please elaborate a little bit her. I would think if a girl is a great lax player, they will at least want to interview her and take it from there. Lets not forget her academics.

Never said a recruiter will pass on her, just that they don't want to talk to the club directors at TG. All the bologna that BS and SS talk about helping get the girls recruited is bull. We have been handeling recruiting and Im not getting into details because we are stuck with TG this year. We are leaving because there is not help from the TG club. My daughters friend at the same age team left and YJ has helped her with recruiting.

Are you referring to paid or non-paid recruiting services?

Unpaid, the girl left this year, played a few fall tourns with YJ and was sent to a recruiting event through the club. She has a few offers already, nothing while with TG. She never paid more that her club fees.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The point of the conversation was about the majority of recruiting eligible girls at TG not feeling the love they were told they would get. If its up to the parents to sign up for clinics and camps to get their daughter seen, why are we giving so much money to these clubs?

Thats the million dollar question.....

looking at recent commits from TG, it seems that there are in the last year or two there has been a big change in the level of schools and the number of top schools that recent commits are committing to. Along with the number of freshman recruits that left Hofstra, there seems to be a decline of the TG club and Hofstra program. It seems that honeymoon is over for SS. Is it related to the way she treats her girls? Maybe she needs to stop listening to her father, and get rid of the my way or highway attitude.

[quote=Anonymous]looking at recent commits from TG, it seems that there are in the last year or two there has been a big change in the level of schools and the number of top schools that recent commits are committing to. Along with the number of freshman recruits that left Hofstra, there seems to be a decline of the TG club and Hofstra program. It seems that honeymoon is over for SS. Is it related to the way she treats her girls? Maybe she needs to stop listening to her father, and get rid of the my way or highway attitude.

SS took over a very good 2020 team and had a good summer last year. She decided she knows all and dismantled the team lets see if she knows what she's doing or in for a very humbling experience opening the door for more girls to leave this team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]looking at recent commits from TG, it seems that there are in the last year or two there has been a big change in the level of schools and the number of top schools that recent commits are committing to. Along with the number of freshman recruits that left Hofstra, there seems to be a decline of the TG club and Hofstra program. It seems that honeymoon is over for SS. Is it related to the way she treats her girls? Maybe she needs to stop listening to her father, and get rid of the my way or highway attitude.

SS took over a very good 2020 team and had a good summer last year. She decided she knows all and dismantled the team lets see if she knows what she's doing or in for a very humbling experience opening the door for more girls to leave this team.

She did not dismantle the team, A lot of players left both 2020 teams. TG was left scrambling to plug all those empty slots. A whopping total of 20 girls combined left Black and purple 2020. TG is in a lot of trouble.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]looking at recent commits from TG, it seems that there are in the last year or two there has been a big change in the level of schools and the number of top schools that recent commits are committing to. Along with the number of freshman recruits that left Hofstra, there seems to be a decline of the TG club and Hofstra program. It seems that honeymoon is over for SS. Is it related to the way she treats her girls? Maybe she needs to stop listening to her father, and get rid of the my way or highway attitude.

SS took over a very good 2020 team and had a good summer last year. She decided she knows all and dismantled the team lets see if she knows what she's doing or in for a very humbling experience opening the door for more girls to leave this team.

She did not dismantle the team, A lot of players left both 2020 teams. TG was left scrambling to plug all those empty slots. A whopping total of 20 girls combined left Black and purple 2020. TG is in a lot of trouble.

In a lot of trouble for what? They may loose some games? My daughter loves playing for SS and is improving as a player under her. Of the kids that left they either chose to go elsewhere or where moved down to Purple so they moved on. Purple kids left because they couldn't make the Black team and they moved on. If they left and made an A team for another program then TG was wrong if they moved for another B team then they just needed a change of scenery. You make decisions for your daughter and I hope you have success. My daughter is happy here so please stop worry about what kind of trouble TG may be in my kid can handle it.

It must be SS bubbly personality that your daughter is drawn to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]looking at recent commits from TG, it seems that there are in the last year or two there has been a big change in the level of schools and the number of top schools that recent commits are committing to. Along with the number of freshman recruits that left Hofstra, there seems to be a decline of the TG club and Hofstra program. It seems that honeymoon is over for SS. Is it related to the way she treats her girls? Maybe she needs to stop listening to her father, and get rid of the my way or highway attitude.

SS took over a very good 2020 team and had a good summer last year. She decided she knows all and dismantled the team lets see if she knows what she's doing or in for a very humbling experience opening the door for more girls to leave this team.

Please back your opinion with facts please

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]looking at recent commits from TG, it seems that there are in the last year or two there has been a big change in the level of schools and the number of top schools that recent commits are committing to. Along with the number of freshman recruits that left Hofstra, there seems to be a decline of the TG club and Hofstra program. It seems that honeymoon is over for SS. Is it related to the way she treats her girls? Maybe she needs to stop listening to her father, and get rid of the my way or highway attitude.

SS took over a very good 2020 team and had a good summer last year. She decided she knows all and dismantled the team lets see if she knows what she's doing or in for a very humbling experience opening the door for more girls to leave this team.

Please back your opinion with facts please

First there's really not much left that can leave and second that team was embarrassed on multiple occasion during fall tournaments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]looking at recent commits from TG, it seems that there are in the last year or two there has been a big change in the level of schools and the number of top schools that recent commits are committing to. Along with the number of freshman recruits that left Hofstra, there seems to be a decline of the TG club and Hofstra program. It seems that honeymoon is over for SS. Is it related to the way she treats her girls? Maybe she needs to stop listening to her father, and get rid of the my way or highway attitude.

SS took over a very good 2020 team and had a good summer last year. She decided she knows all and dismantled the team lets see if she knows what she's doing or in for a very humbling experience opening the door for more girls to leave this team.

She did not dismantle the team, A lot of players left both 2020 teams. TG was left scrambling to plug all those empty slots. A whopping total of 20 girls combined left Black and purple 2020. TG is in a lot of trouble.

No horse in this race but if what you state is true and 20 girls left the two top teams that's crazy turnover and something is seriously wrong!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]looking at recent commits from TG, it seems that there are in the last year or two there has been a big change in the level of schools and the number of top schools that recent commits are committing to. Along with the number of freshman recruits that left Hofstra, there seems to be a decline of the TG club and Hofstra program. It seems that honeymoon is over for SS. Is it related to the way she treats her girls? Maybe she needs to stop listening to her father, and get rid of the my way or highway attitude.

SS took over a very good 2020 team and had a good summer last year. She decided she knows all and dismantled the team lets see if she knows what she's doing or in for a very humbling experience opening the door for more girls to leave this team.

She did not dismantle the team, A lot of players left both 2020 teams. TG was left scrambling to plug all those empty slots. A whopping total of 20 girls combined left Black and purple 2020. TG is in a lot of trouble.

No horse in this race but if what you state is true and 20 girls left the two top teams that's crazy turnover and something is seriously wrong!!

Look at the rosters.. All new girls. The former girls are elsewhere, not really very hard to find this information, it's out there. Something is seriously wrong at TG and it's now starting to spill over to Hofstra program.. Quite a few of SS recruits have quit the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]looking at recent commits from TG, it seems that there are in the last year or two there has been a big change in the level of schools and the number of top schools that recent commits are committing to. Along with the number of freshman recruits that left Hofstra, there seems to be a decline of the TG club and Hofstra program. It seems that honeymoon is over for SS. Is it related to the way she treats her girls? Maybe she needs to stop listening to her father, and get rid of the my way or highway attitude.

SS took over a very good 2020 team and had a good summer last year. She decided she knows all and dismantled the team lets see if she knows what she's doing or in for a very humbling experience opening the door for more girls to leave this team.

She did not dismantle the team, A lot of players left both 2020 teams. TG was left scrambling to plug all those empty slots. A whopping total of 20 girls combined left Black and purple 2020. TG is in a lot of trouble.

In a lot of trouble for what? They may loose some games? My daughter loves playing for SS and is improving as a player under her. Of the kids that left they either chose to go elsewhere or where moved down to Purple so they moved on. Purple kids left because they couldn't make the Black team and they moved on. If they left and made an A team for another program then TG was wrong if they moved for another B team then they just needed a change of scenery. You make decisions for your daughter and I hope you have success. My daughter is happy here so please stop worry about what kind of trouble TG may be in my kid can handle it.

TG was getting rolled over at the fall tournaments. The fact is there are only 2 girls left on that team that are somewhat decent players. everyone else are on the level that the majority came from PAL. Let's see how the girls do this year and see if you will be singing the same tune once the season gets going. I for one would not be sitting there waiting for TG to get my kid recruited, that is unless you are going to Hofstra or Towson, and by the look of things at Hofstra, even those are jumping ship. But good luck to you, I'm sure your kid was one of the promised ones that SS has her eyes on and will be the go to girl.

Beach Guns should be the club's name. Only 3 talented girls left on 2020, and 2-3 talented girls on 2021 (never had much talent here, and the few top girls already a year ago and last year). I am sure after this season those girls will be wearing the blue and gold, or Teal Blue. Only reason 2021 can even stay in the few games they are in is because their goalie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Beach Guns should be the club's name. Only 3 talented girls left on 2020, and 2-3 talented girls on 2021 (never had much talent here, and the few top girls already a year ago and last year). I am sure after this season those girls will be wearing the blue and gold, or Teal Blue. Only reason 2021 can even stay in the few games they are in is because their goalie.

Thanks for your uninformed opinion. The girls won a number of tournaments during summer. Here is an idea ......worry about your kid. Take care jack a$$

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Beach Guns should be the club's name. Only 3 talented girls left on 2020, and 2-3 talented girls on 2021 (never had much talent here, and the few top girls already a year ago and last year). I am sure after this season those girls will be wearing the blue and gold, or Teal Blue. Only reason 2021 can even stay in the few games they are in is because their goalie.

Guess your daughter couldn't make the team. Go play PAL little troll

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Beach Guns should be the club's name. Only 3 talented girls left on 2020, and 2-3 talented girls on 2021 (never had much talent here, and the few top girls already a year ago and last year). I am sure after this season those girls will be wearing the blue and gold, or Teal Blue. Only reason 2021 can even stay in the few games they are in is because their goalie.

With all the shuffling on both TG and Elevate 2021, which team is better at this point?

SS has told plenty of the parents that she is stepping away from the coaching part of the club. 2020 and 2021 teams are on their own. After a miserable summer, many girls will jump ship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SS has told plenty of the parents that she is stepping away from the coaching part of the club. 2020 and 2021 teams are on their own. After a miserable summer, many girls will jump ship.

Most that can, already did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Beach Guns should be the club's name. Only 3 talented girls left on 2020, and 2-3 talented girls on 2021 (never had much talent here, and the few top girls already a year ago and last year). I am sure after this season those girls will be wearing the blue and gold, or Teal Blue. Only reason 2021 can even stay in the few games they are in is because their goalie.

With all the shuffling on both TG and Elevate 2021, which team is better at this point?

That question is like re-arranging chairs on the titanic. Honestly, both clubs are going to get blown out be the A clubs and I think will have their hands full with strong B clubs. Those teams should NOT be playing in the top brackets in any tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Beach Guns should be the club's name. Only 3 talented girls left on 2020, and 2-3 talented girls on 2021 (never had much talent here, and the few top girls already a year ago and last year). I am sure after this season those girls will be wearing the blue and gold, or Teal Blue. Only reason 2021 can even stay in the few games they are in is because their goalie.

Guess your daughter couldn't make the team. Go play PAL little troll

Isn't TG just an extended PAL season. Same thing in my book.

You people are all seriously effed up!! Who care where anyone plays. Live your own life Jesus! Everyone makes their own choices. Stop cutting each other apart. Fine examples you're setting for your daughters

thank you Mrs Cleaver

How many girls left Hofstra?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many girls left Hofstra?

One from TG.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many girls left Hofstra?

a whole lot left...oooodles

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many girls left Hofstra?

One from TG.

So if you go back to the 2015 & 2014 classes for Hofstra, the 2015 class had (5) TG girls and the 2014 class had (7) girls. So far only (1) girls is not on the roster. so out of (12) girls only one has left. Wow, they are leaving in droves.

There are so many reasons why kids leave a program. Many times it is the amount of work as others have stated, sometimes it is being homesick, and others just decide they are done. For all we know maybe this young lady is hurt or ineligible right now?

By the way in those two years they also recruited (12) girls from outside TG and LI. So far (2) of them have left the program. So if I recruited (24) girls and only (3) left, I think those are good stats. Many of you keyboard cowboys would be amazed at the number of girls/boys who leave D1 programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many girls left Hofstra?

One from TG.

So if you go back to the 2015 & 2014 classes for Hofstra, the 2015 class had (5) TG girls and the 2014 class had (7) girls. So far only (1) girls is not on the roster. so out of (12) girls only one has left. Wow, they are leaving in droves.

There are so many reasons why kids leave a program. Many times it is the amount of work as others have stated, sometimes it is being homesick, and others just decide they are done. For all we know maybe this young lady is hurt or ineligible right now?

By the way in those two years they also recruited (12) girls from outside TG and LI. So far (2) of them have left the program. So if I recruited (24) girls and only (3) left, I think those are good stats. Many of you keyboard cowboys would be amazed at the number of girls/boys who leave D1 programs.

Nice to see someone come to board with stats and not some troll opinion we typically get here. Nice job

The Top Guns program has lost alot of talented due to poor jugment on their part. They really never eval at practice or tournaments.Not even the world class coaching is asked if any girl or girls have improved over the summer tour. this was one reason why we moved on 2yrs ago . We couldn't take the chance on having my child being eval by how much money or how many girls I can bring in from one town . its terrible how this business is run. started off good and seems like its going down real fast

okay this is a legitimate question. what makes the coaching better at yj? knowledge of the game, or personality? do they also have college aged coaches? or all adults. in some ways I wonder if college age can be appositive, as they are current players and know whats expected. but I can also see the negative as in lack of caring etc

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Top Guns program has lost alot of talented due to poor jugment on their part. They really never eval at practice or tournaments.Not even the world class coaching is asked if any girl or girls have improved over the summer tour. this was one reason why we moved on 2yrs ago . We couldn't take the chance on having my child being eval by how much money or how many girls I can bring in from one town . its terrible how this business is run. started off good and seems like its going down real fast

no not Mrs Cleaver. Just an adult with a life, that doesn't need to throw insults. Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

okay this is a legitimate question. what makes the coaching better at yj? knowledge of the game, or personality? do they also have college aged coaches? or all adults. in some ways I wonder if college age can be appositive, as they are current players and know whats expected. but I can also see the negative as in lack of caring etc

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Top Guns program has lost alot of talented due to poor jugment on their part. They really never eval at practice or tournaments.Not even the world class coaching is asked if any girl or girls have improved over the summer tour. this was one reason why we moved on 2yrs ago . We couldn't take the chance on having my child being eval by how much money or how many girls I can bring in from one town . its terrible how this business is run. started off good and seems like its going down real fast

From my experience, having a college coach is great for connecting with kids, for them to have someone to look up to and bringing up to date drills, ect. The biggest problem I encountered was the off season (they are not there), communication (lack of organization) and many times they get a real job after graduating and move on, leaving the team starting over with a new coach. This was what happened to my one daughter.
Having an "adult" or established coach with a college assistant, gives the team stability in the off season, usually good communication and organization. During the recruiting years, your daughter will have a proven advocate that has a prior track record of placing girls in schools (since they are HS coaches or have other older travel teams). The college assistant helps run practice (and coach when the head coach can't be there, if the head coach has multiple teams, which is sometimes an issue). But they are usually with the team for years, providing stability.

Thank you. That was very helpful answer which is something you don't get on this site very often LOL Thus far my daughters experience with Hopkins has been very positive but she's getting to that point that recruiting is becoming important and I'm a little nervous to be honest Leaving isn't always the best option because the grass isn't always greener on the other side so I wonder do we stick it out with SS and hope that she gets looks based on her talent. very stressful

Originally Posted by Anonymous

okay this is a legitimate question. what makes the coaching better at yj? knowledge of the game, or personality? do they also have college aged coaches? or all adults. in some ways I wonder if college age can be appositive, as they are current players and know whats expected. but I can also see the negative as in lack of caring etc

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Top Guns program has lost alot of talented due to poor jugment on their part. They really never eval at practice or tournaments.Not even the world class coaching is asked if any girl or girls have improved over the summer tour. this was one reason why we moved on 2yrs ago . We couldn't take the chance on having my child being eval by how much money or how many girls I can bring in from one town . its terrible how this business is run. started off good and seems like its going down real fast

From my experience, having a college coach is great for connecting with kids, for them to have someone to look up to and bringing up to date drills, ect. The biggest problem I encountered was the off season (they are not there), communication (lack of organization) and many times they get a real job after graduating and move on, leaving the team starting over with a new coach. This was what happened to my one daughter.
Having an "adult" or established coach with a college assistant, gives the team stability in the off season, usually good communication and organization. During the recruiting years, your daughter will have a proven advocate that has a prior track record of placing girls in schools (since they are HS coaches or have other older travel teams). The college assistant helps run practice (and coach when the head coach can't be there, if the head coach has multiple teams, which is sometimes an issue). But they are usually with the team for years, providing stability.

Top guns not hopkins

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you. That was very helpful answer which is something you don't get on this site very often LOL Thus far my daughters experience with Hopkins has been very positive but she's getting to that point that recruiting is becoming important and I'm a little nervous to be honest Leaving isn't always the best option because the grass isn't always greener on the other side so I wonder do we stick it out with SS and hope that she gets looks based on her talent. very stressful

Originally Posted by Anonymous

okay this is a legitimate question. what makes the coaching better at yj? knowledge of the game, or personality? do they also have college aged coaches? or all adults. in some ways I wonder if college age can be appositive, as they are current players and know whats expected. but I can also see the negative as in lack of caring etc

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Top Guns program has lost alot of talented due to poor jugment on their part. They really never eval at practice or tournaments.Not even the world class coaching is asked if any girl or girls have improved over the summer tour. this was one reason why we moved on 2yrs ago . We couldn't take the chance on having my child being eval by how much money or how many girls I can bring in from one town . its terrible how this business is run. started off good and seems like its going down real fast

From my experience, having a college coach is great for connecting with kids, for them to have someone to look up to and bringing up to date drills, ect. The biggest problem I encountered was the off season (they are not there), communication (lack of organization) and many times they get a real job after graduating and move on, leaving the team starting over with a new coach. This was what happened to my one daughter.
Having an "adult" or established coach with a college assistant, gives the team stability in the off season, usually good communication and organization. During the recruiting years, your daughter will have a proven advocate that has a prior track record of placing girls in schools (since they are HS coaches or have other older travel teams). The college assistant helps run practice (and coach when the head coach can't be there, if the head coach has multiple teams, which is sometimes an issue). But they are usually with the team for years, providing stability.

You will get very little attention at TG from a recruiting point of view and developmentally depending on the age of your daughter (the younger the worse off she will be), will get only a fraction of coaching development that she would get from some of the other options. Especially now that SS has officially stepped away from coaching TG.

What is all of this talk of SS stepping away from TG?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is all of this talk of SS stepping away from TG?

Are all you 2020 blacks excited with your new West Islip PAL coach?? Heard he was tapped for the job to replace SS.. Pretty interesting to see you all scrambling. Good luck with that!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is all of this talk of SS stepping away from TG?

Don't believe all of what you read on this site.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is all of this talk of SS stepping away from TG?

Are all you 2020 blacks excited with your new West Islip PAL coach?? Heard he was tapped for the job to replace SS.. Pretty interesting to see you all scrambling. Good luck with that!

It MUST be true - it's here on the back of the cage!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is all of this talk of SS stepping away from TG?

Are all you 2020 blacks excited with your new West Islip PAL coach?? Heard he was tapped for the job to replace SS.. Pretty interesting to see you all scrambling. Good luck with that!

That's funny because I am the West Islip PAL coach you are speaking about. I am not coaching or have I ever been asked to coach any TG team. I hope that clears things up for you.
Jim Lang

Originally Posted by kidsgame

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is all of this talk of SS stepping away from TG?

Are all you 2020 blacks excited with your new West Islip PAL coach?? Heard he was tapped for the job to replace SS.. Pretty interesting to see you all scrambling. Good luck with that!

That's funny because I am the West Islip PAL coach you are speaking about. I am not coaching or have I ever been asked to coach any TG team. I hope that clears things up for you.
Jim Lang

Well thank goodness, that would have been a disaster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by kidsgame

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]What is all of this talk of SS stepping away from TG?

Are all you 2020 blacks excited with your new West Islip PAL coach?? Heard he was tapped for the job to replace SS.. Pretty interesting to see you all scrambling. Good luck with that!

That's funny because I am the West Islip PAL coach you are speaking about. I am not coaching or have I ever been asked to coach any TG team. I hope that clears things up for you.
Jim Lang [/quo
te]

Well thank goodness, that would have been a disaster.

I heard he was going to be the Hostra new assistant coach next year!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by kidsgame

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is all of this talk of SS stepping away from TG?

Are all you 2020 blacks excited with your new West Islip PAL coach?? Heard he was tapped for the job to replace SS.. Pretty interesting to see you all scrambling. Good luck with that!

That's funny because I am the West Islip PAL coach you are speaking about. I am not coaching or have I ever been asked to coach any TG team. I hope that clears things up for you.
Jim Lang

Well thank goodness, that would have been a disaster.

You ain't kidding!

The YJ lemmings are now making stuff up in their continual effort to dismantle TG and SS. Not a surprise.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is all of this talk of SS stepping away from TG?

Are all you 2020 blacks excited with your new West Islip PAL coach?? Heard he was tapped for the job to replace SS.. Pretty interesting to see you all scrambling. Good luck with that!

It MUST be true - it's here on the back of the cage!!

Some of the kids would probably come back if he were the coach

[thats funny !! quote=kidsgame]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by kidsgame

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is all of this talk of SS stepping away from TG?

Are all you 2020 blacks excited with your new West Islip PAL coach?? Heard he was tapped for the job to replace SS.. Pretty interesting to see you all scrambling. Good luck with that!

That's funny because I am the West Islip PAL coach you are speaking about. I am not coaching or have I ever been asked to coach any TG team. I hope that clears things up for you.
Jim Lang

Well thank goodness, that would have been a disaster.

You ain't kidding! [/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is all of this talk of SS stepping away from TG?

Are all you 2020 blacks excited with your new West Islip PAL coach?? Heard he was tapped for the job to replace SS.. Pretty interesting to see you all scrambling. Good luck with that!

It MUST be true - it's here on the back of the cage!!

Some of the kids would probably come back if he were the coach

Happens to be a good coach. Couldn't be worse than the "world class" texters wearing flip flops

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The YJ lemmings are now making stuff up in their continual effort to dismantle TG and SS. Not a surprise.

No offense but TG was dismantled about a year or two ago by the queen bee herself. The club is pretty much a joke at this point unless you want to go to Hofstra or Towson.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The YJ lemmings are now making stuff up in their continual effort to dismantle TG and SS. Not a surprise.

No offense but TG was dismantled about a year or two ago by the queen bee herself. The club is pretty much a joke at this point unless you want to go to Hofstra or Towson.

Is that you West Hampton

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is all of this talk of SS stepping away from TG?

Are all you 2020 blacks excited with your new West Islip PAL coach?? Heard he was tapped for the job to replace SS.. Pretty interesting to see you all scrambling. Good luck with that!

It MUST be true - it's here on the back of the cage!!

Some of the kids would probably come back if he were the coach

Happens to be a good coach. Couldn't be worse than the "world class" texters wearing flip flops

Why no love for flip flops. Perhaps you didn't notice but 90% of the college coaches will be wearing flip flops this summer.

Watch out for flying flip flops from 2021 moms!! LMAO

Flying flip flops from 2021 moms? I don't get it. Please enlighten me.

Westhampton is one word.

Originally Posted by laxdad2021

Watch out for flying flip flops from 2021 moms!! LMAO

More like two flip flops in the air....LMAO
How did Forest Gump's mother get Forest into that school. Didn't the school headmaster remind you of BS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The YJ lemmings are now making stuff up in their continual effort to dismantle TG and SS. Not a surprise.

No offense but TG was dismantled about a year or two ago by the queen bee herself. The club is pretty much a joke at this point unless you want to go to Hofstra or Towson.

Is that you West Hampton

Ask your wife she would know.

Someone is sickly obsessed with Westhampton

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone is sickly obsessed with Westhampton

Someone and their wife,lol.

He's up to his old tricks again!!!!

Same stuff different club!

Talk all you want about 2020 Black you may be surprised in the first tournament SS will have this team ready to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Talk all you want about 2020 Black you may be surprised in the first tournament SS will have this team ready to play.

That would be a good thing, it's bad for all when LI top teams head down to MD and get blown out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Talk all you want about 2020 Black you may be surprised in the first tournament SS will have this team ready to play.

Seriously?????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Talk all you want about 2020 Black you may be surprised in the first tournament SS will have this team ready to play.

YAWN.... because she is doing such a wonderful job with Hofstra 0-3

Can anyone on this board please tell us why the YJ lemmings are [lacrosse]-bent on tearing down Hofstra and TG, and by default SS? Their little digs are so transparent it's ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Talk all you want about 2020 Black you may be surprised in the first tournament SS will have this team ready to play.

Seriously?????

If they avoid enough top teams they might win a game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone on this board please tell us why the YJ lemmings are [lacrosse]-bent on tearing down Hofstra and TG, and by default SS? Their little digs are so transparent it's ridiculous.

you have it in reverse and its not just YJ that can't stand her. There are many people in the LI lax community who cannot stand her or her father.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone on this board please tell us why the YJ lemmings are [lacrosse]-bent on tearing down Hofstra and TG, and by default SS? Their little digs are so transparent it's ridiculous.

you have it in reverse and its not just YJ that can't stand her. There are many people in the LI lax community who cannot stand her or her father.

That doesn't answer my question. My question is 'why'.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Talk all you want about 2020 Black you may be surprised in the first tournament SS will have this team ready to play.

You can only do so much without the horses and unfortunately they have no horses.

I'm curious as to why as well?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone on this board please tell us why the YJ lemmings are [lacrosse]-bent on tearing down Hofstra and TG, and by default SS? Their little digs are so transparent it's ridiculous.

you have it in reverse and its not just YJ that can't stand her. There are many people in the LI lax community who cannot stand her or her father.

That doesn't answer my question. My question is 'why'.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Talk all you want about 2020 Black you may be surprised in the first tournament SS will have this team ready to play.

You can only do so much without the horses and unfortunately they have no horses.

Combine that with SS not coaching this team. Double trouble. They will not beat one A team all summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Talk all you want about 2020 Black you may be surprised in the first tournament SS will have this team ready to play.

You can only do so much without the horses and unfortunately they have no horses.

Combine that with SS not coaching this team. Double trouble. They will not beat one A team all summer.

How is the B team your kid is playing on?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone on this board please tell us why the YJ lemmings are [lacrosse]-bent on tearing down Hofstra and TG, and by default SS? Their little digs are so transparent it's ridiculous.

you have it in reverse and its not just YJ that can't stand her. There are many people in the LI lax community who cannot stand her or her father.

That doesn't answer my question. My question is 'why'.

Let's start with the father; her and him basically have the same attitude, the father just talks to way to many people about others in the lax community. He likes to tell people who to avoid, not to train with, who not to trust and so on and so forth. In his mind all these other coaches and people who are involved in the lax community are "stealing" or steering his players away, which blinds him to the truth that players are leaving because they get better instruction elsewhere, and that they are sick of his preferential treatment to select towns and people in the program. This ultimately has led to a depletion of talent as of late.

Now she is a little smarter, she doesn't say much and does her talking through him, when it comes to local lacrosse and club affairs. She is also quite condescending and her motivations are purely financial (she has become the person that she tried so hard to disparage when she started her club and slandered CR and others in that program as an excuse to leave and start her own program). Absolutely nothing wrong with starting her own program, but again it was done to capitalize on her on field success and make as much money as possible, with the least amount effort. As time has gone on this has become more and more of the rule, until it is almost laughable how little instruction goes on and almost zero come from her. She shows her face here and there, but that isn't even enough to fulfill promises made to athletes who sign up and expect her to give the majority of the instruction. (with onsite Hofstra clinics she is better because she knows she has to answer to higher ups, if people feel ripped off).

As far as other college coaches many cannot stand her, and that is common between top division 1 coaches, but to have your former college coach/mentor say to a recruit that they do not want to hear from their club coach, tells you there is a deeper issue that will TG players in the recruiting process. Girls are seeing this and hearing it from college coaches at an alarming rate. Thus many have left in the 2018 and 2019 classes the last 2 years. You cannot dispute that the quality of schools being committed to after this years graduating class is dropping of significantly. Many of the top girls from the classes of 2014-15-16 are mostly girls who left YJ for TG, thus they had played the majority of their lax for YJ or other clubs, before coming over and getting recruited. In fact the class of 2013 shouldn't even be on their website because many of those girls were being recruited before they even put a TG jersey on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Talk all you want about 2020 Black you may be surprised in the first tournament SS will have this team ready to play.

You can only do so much without the horses and unfortunately they have no horses.

Combine that with SS not coaching this team. Double trouble. They will not beat one A team all summer.

How is the B team your kid is playing on?

B team YJ are getting way more attention from college coaches, not saying they are better or worse that TG black, just that the lines of communication over there with college coaches are not clouded and muddied the way they are in TG land. This may not matter to 2020's but in the next two years you will see. Just saying, I told you so.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone on this board please tell us why the YJ lemmings are [lacrosse]-bent on tearing down Hofstra and TG, and by default SS? Their little digs are so transparent it's ridiculous.

you have it in reverse and its not just YJ that can't stand her. There are many people in the LI lax community who cannot stand her or her father.

That doesn't answer my question. My question is 'why'.

Let's start with the father; her and him basically have the same attitude, the father just talks to way to many people about others in the lax community. He likes to tell people who to avoid, not to train with, who not to trust and so on and so forth. In his mind all these other coaches and people who are involved in the lax community are "stealing" or steering his players away, which blinds him to the truth that players are leaving because they get better instruction elsewhere, and that they are sick of his preferential treatment to select towns and people in the program. This ultimately has led to a depletion of talent as of late.

Now she is a little smarter, she doesn't say much and does her talking through him, when it comes to local lacrosse and club affairs. She is also quite condescending and her motivations are purely financial (she has become the person that she tried so hard to disparage when she started her club and slandered CR and others in that program as an excuse to leave and start her own program). Absolutely nothing wrong with starting her own program, but again it was done to capitalize on her on field success and make as much money as possible, with the least amount effort. As time has gone on this has become more and more of the rule, until it is almost laughable how little instruction goes on and almost zero come from her. She shows her face here and there, but that isn't even enough to fulfill promises made to athletes who sign up and expect her to give the majority of the instruction. (with onsite Hofstra clinics she is better because she knows she has to answer to higher ups, if people feel ripped off).

As far as other college coaches many cannot stand her, and that is common between top division 1 coaches, but to have your former college coach/mentor say to a recruit that they do not want to hear from their club coach, tells you there is a deeper issue that will TG players in the recruiting process. Girls are seeing this and hearing it from college coaches at an alarming rate. Thus many have left in the 2018 and 2019 classes the last 2 years. You cannot dispute that the quality of schools being committed to after this years graduating class is dropping of significantly. Many of the top girls from the classes of 2014-15-16 are mostly girls who left YJ for TG, thus they had played the majority of their lax for YJ or other clubs, before coming over and getting recruited. In fact the class of 2013 shouldn't even be on their website because many of those girls were being recruited before they even put a TG jersey on.

Very accurate post. TG still living off of the 2015 class that won the U15 championship. A monkey could have coached that team to a championship. All downhill since then.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone on this board please tell us why the YJ lemmings are [lacrosse]-bent on tearing down Hofstra and TG, and by default SS? Their little digs are so transparent it's ridiculous.

you have it in reverse and its not just YJ that can't stand her. There are many people in the LI lax community who cannot stand her or her father.

That doesn't answer my question. My question is 'why'.

Let's start with the father; her and him basically have the same attitude, the father just talks to way to many people about others in the lax community. He likes to tell people who to avoid, not to train with, who not to trust and so on and so forth. In his mind all these other coaches and people who are involved in the lax community are "stealing" or steering his players away, which blinds him to the truth that players are leaving because they get better instruction elsewhere, and that they are sick of his preferential treatment to select towns and people in the program. This ultimately has led to a depletion of talent as of late.

Now she is a little smarter, she doesn't say much and does her talking through him, when it comes to local lacrosse and club affairs. She is also quite condescending and her motivations are purely financial (she has become the person that she tried so hard to disparage when she started her club and slandered CR and others in that program as an excuse to leave and start her own program). Absolutely nothing wrong with starting her own program, but again it was done to capitalize on her on field success and make as much money as possible, with the least amount effort. As time has gone on this has become more and more of the rule, until it is almost laughable how little instruction goes on and almost zero come from her. She shows her face here and there, but that isn't even enough to fulfill promises made to athletes who sign up and expect her to give the majority of the instruction. (with onsite Hofstra clinics she is better because she knows she has to answer to higher ups, if people feel ripped off).

As far as other college coaches many cannot stand her, and that is common between top division 1 coaches, but to have your former college coach/mentor say to a recruit that they do not want to hear from their club coach, tells you there is a deeper issue that will TG players in the recruiting process. Girls are seeing this and hearing it from college coaches at an alarming rate. Thus many have left in the 2018 and 2019 classes the last 2 years. You cannot dispute that the quality of schools being committed to after this years graduating class is dropping of significantly. Many of the top girls from the classes of 2014-15-16 are mostly girls who left YJ for TG, thus they had played the majority of their lax for YJ or other clubs, before coming over and getting recruited. In fact the class of 2013 shouldn't even be on their website because many of those girls were being recruited before they even put a TG jersey on.

Very accurate post. TG still living off of the 2015 class that won the U15 championship. A monkey could have coached that team to a championship. All downhill since then.

It was the 2016 class that won... just sayin

...and the 2018 team made the finals...listen we all know the YJ organization is the best on LI, no argument here. They have been well established for a long time and a great program. So why are you always on here bashing TG. I assume you are a YJ so you should be happy. If you left TG you obviously made a great move...stop looking in the rear view mirror.

With the help of 2015 SA...just sayin

Ok, I get it. But, with so many teams at all of the age groups, the money grabbing comment could be made for CR and YJ as well, right (maybe even more)? Why does she have so many sub-par teams filled with sub-par talent if it isn't just to get more money? And, I've been around a LONG time around LOTS of college coaches. Trust me, there are MANY of them who are "not liked" by others. This is not unique to SS. My gut feeling is that she will be successful at HU.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With the help of 2015 SA...just sayin

It is a team sport so you can't say SA won it for them solo, if she could win things by herself, her school team might have been a threat. I will say there was no way they would have ever won the U15 without her.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Talk all you want about 2020 Black you may be surprised in the first tournament SS will have this team ready to play.

You can only do so much without the horses and unfortunately they have no horses.

Combine that with SS not coaching this team. Double trouble. They will not beat one A team all summer.

And you know this how??? You have no idea how many have or have not had contact from colleges. Being on YJ does not make you all knowing, contrary to what you believe!

How is the B team your kid is playing on?

B team YJ are getting way more attention from college coaches, not saying they are better or worse that TG black, just that the lines of communication over there with college coaches are not clouded and muddied the way they are in TG land. This may not matter to 2020's but in the next two years you will see. Just saying, I told you so.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok, I get it. But, with so many teams at all of the age groups, the money grabbing comment could be made for CR and YJ as well, right (maybe even more)? Why does she have so many sub-par teams filled with sub-par talent if it isn't just to get more money? And, I've been around a LONG time around LOTS of college coaches. Trust me, there are MANY of them who are "not liked" by others. This is not unique to SS. My gut feeling is that she will be successful at HU.

the only player currently doing well at hofstra is a red shirt grad student who fell into SS lap - played for UNC as an undergrad - she hasn't done well at all with her ability to judge talent and recruit it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok, I get it. But, with so many teams at all of the age groups, the money grabbing comment could be made for CR and YJ as well, right (maybe even more)? Why does she have so many sub-par teams filled with sub-par talent if it isn't just to get more money? And, I've been around a LONG time around LOTS of college coaches. Trust me, there are MANY of them who are "not liked" by others. This is not unique to SS. My gut feeling is that she will be successful at HU.

the only player currently doing well at hofstra is a red shirt grad student who fell into SS lap - played for UNC as an undergrad - she hasn't done well at all with her ability to judge talent and recruit it

This goes back to a post made earlier about the state of Hofstra. How can they expect to compete when the majority of the girls are coming from her own program? Isolating the rest of the L.I. Pool of talent doesn't bode well for her program.

Doesn't all of this come full circle? If the program doesn't win enough, girls won't want to be recruited to play at that school. It's not like Hofstra was a big draw to begin with. I feel the same goes for most travel lax programs. Too much competition at well known programs - where some A level players are pushed down to B level, and not enough competition at lower level programs - where some B players play up at A level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok, I get it. But, with so many teams at all of the age groups, the money grabbing comment could be made for CR and YJ as well, right (maybe even more)? Why does she have so many sub-par teams filled with sub-par talent if it isn't just to get more money? And, I've been around a LONG time around LOTS of college coaches. Trust me, there are MANY of them who are "not liked" by others. This is not unique to SS. My gut feeling is that she will be successful at HU.

Very true about people not liking CR, she keeps her mouth shut about others and she gets her kids recruited, no conflict of interest for her.

Besides YJ there are other options popping up for girls at the TG level including Igloo and L.L.L.I, not to mention they will get much better year round isntuction at the other places,

Here's some numbers: TG class of 2014 - 7 went to HU, all still there. TG class of 2015 - 5 to Hu, 4 still there. 3 from the class of 2016 going to HU. 2 from class of 2017.
In the next class (2016) there are 7 recruits, 4 from NY and 3 from MD. In the 2017 class there 7 total - 5 from NY and 2 from MD. Current HU roster is 30 players - 18 from NY, 6 from MD and 1 each from NH, OH, PA, CT, DE and MA. They lose 4 SR's after this season, all from NY. Next season they will again have 18 from NY but the MD total will go up by three to 9. Looking even further out, in the class of 2018 there are nine recruits, 5 from NY and 1 each from FL, MD, PA and NJ. All of this shows me that there is more diversity on the HU team than portrayed (most likely by YJ'ers). The evidence shows that SS is diversifying and adapting.
Look at any college wlax team in the hotbed areas and you will see that the majority of the players on the rosters are local.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

...and the 2018 team made the finals...listen we all know the YJ organization is the best on LI, no argument here. They have been well established for a long time and a great program. So why are you always on here bashing TG. I assume you are a YJ so you should be happy. If you left TG you obviously made a great move...stop looking in the rear view mirror.

I have the National Draw 2013 booklet that lists all the teams rosters and in the three 'off seasons' since that time (fall of 2013-15) TG 2018 Black has 9 different girls on the roster and 5 of them left after 2013. They filled in with a couple of girls from purple and the rest came from outside of the org. Is that really that bad?
Where TG is hurting is the purple/white teams in each div whereas the YJ second teams in each age are usually pretty good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone on this board please tell us why the YJ lemmings are [lacrosse]-bent on tearing down Hofstra and TG, and by default SS? Their little digs are so transparent it's ridiculous.

you have it in reverse and its not just YJ that can't stand her. There are many people in the LI lax community who cannot stand her or her father.

That doesn't answer my question. My question is 'why'.

Let's start with the father; her and him basically have the same attitude, the father just talks to way to many people about others in the lax community. He likes to tell people who to avoid, not to train with, who not to trust and so on and so forth. In his mind all these other coaches and people who are involved in the lax community are "stealing" or steering his players away, which blinds him to the truth that players are leaving because they get better instruction elsewhere, and that they are sick of his preferential treatment to select towns and people in the program. This ultimately has led to a depletion of talent as of late.

Now she is a little smarter, she doesn't say much and does her talking through him, when it comes to local lacrosse and club affairs. She is also quite condescending and her motivations are purely financial (she has become the person that she tried so hard to disparage when she started her club and slandered CR and others in that program as an excuse to leave and start her own program). Absolutely nothing wrong with starting her own program, but again it was done to capitalize on her on field success and make as much money as possible, with the least amount effort. As time has gone on this has become more and more of the rule, until it is almost laughable how little instruction goes on and almost zero come from her. She shows her face here and there, but that isn't even enough to fulfill promises made to athletes who sign up and expect her to give the majority of the instruction. (with onsite Hofstra clinics she is better because she knows she has to answer to higher ups, if people feel ripped off).

As far as other college coaches many cannot stand her, and that is common between top division 1 coaches, but to have your former college coach/mentor say to a recruit that they do not want to hear from their club coach, tells you there is a deeper issue that will TG players in the recruiting process. Girls are seeing this and hearing it from college coaches at an alarming rate. Thus many have left in the 2018 and 2019 classes the last 2 years. You cannot dispute that the quality of schools being committed to after this years graduating class is dropping of significantly. Many of the top girls from the classes of 2014-15-16 are mostly girls who left YJ for TG, thus they had played the majority of their lax for YJ or other clubs, before coming over and getting recruited. In fact the class of 2013 shouldn't even be on their website because many of those girls were being recruited before they even put a TG jersey on.

Without a doubt more connections coming through the YJ organization. With that said, still a lot of talent on TG Black teams with some commitments at top schools. Can only speak for myself....my daughter was offered spots at top 5 programs, but financially we still couldn't make it happen. Ended up committing to top 20 school that was within our financial fit. There are many reasons people consider schools not just for the program. Don't think it is a significant drop off at all and honestly can't stand when narrow minded individuals make blanket statements only considering a posted list of college commitments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Without a doubt more connections coming through the YJ organization. With that said, still a lot of talent on TG Black teams with some commitments at top schools. Can only speak for myself....my daughter was offered spots at top 5 programs, but financially we still couldn't make it happen. Ended up committing to top 20 school that was within our financial fit. There are many reasons people consider schools not just for the program. Don't think it is a significant drop off at all and honestly can't stand when narrow minded individuals make blanket statements only considering a posted list of college commitments.

We were in and now we are out. The program has dropped off significantly. In regards to recruiting, it is night and day since we left. In regards to coaching, it is night and day since we left.

No hard feelings, just glad we left. We here the same from all the families that have left as well at all ages. Regardless if they went to YJ or Leg.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Without a doubt more connections coming through the YJ organization. With that said, still a lot of talent on TG Black teams with some commitments at top schools. Can only speak for myself....my daughter was offered spots at top 5 programs, but financially we still couldn't make it happen. Ended up committing to top 20 school that was within our financial fit. There are many reasons people consider schools not just for the program. Don't think it is a significant drop off at all and honestly can't stand when narrow minded individuals make blanket statements only considering a posted list of college commitments.

We were in and now we are out. The program has dropped off significantly. In regards to recruiting, it is night and day since we left. In regards to coaching, it is night and day since we left.

No hard feelings, just glad we left. We here the same from all the families that have left as well at all ages. Regardless if they went to YJ or Leg.

We are glad you left. So now do we have to read your nonsense anymore?? Have a great summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Without a doubt more connections coming through the YJ organization. With that said, still a lot of talent on TG Black teams with some commitments at top schools. Can only speak for myself....my daughter was offered spots at top 5 programs, but financially we still couldn't make it happen. Ended up committing to top 20 school that was within our financial fit. There are many reasons people consider schools not just for the program. Don't think it is a significant drop off at all and honestly can't stand when narrow minded individuals make blanket statements only considering a posted list of college commitments.

We were in and now we are out. The program has dropped off significantly. In regards to recruiting, it is night and day since we left. In regards to coaching, it is night and day since we left.

No hard feelings, just glad we left. We here the same from all the families that have left as well at all ages. Regardless if they went to YJ or Leg.

We are glad you left. So now do we have to read your nonsense anymore?? Have a great summer.

Sorry if my "nonsense" reminds you of the disadvantage your child will be in come recruiting time. obviously you are a West Babylon or West Islip (2nd rate WI players play for TG) lemming. Good luck this season with you Teenage coach and broken promises of "world class coaching". When you are at your daughters first tournament and its total confusion because the coaches haven't seen the girls in like 10 months or for many never met the new girls.

It must really hurt still that a 2nd rate player got your daughter spot .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It must really hurt still that a 2nd rate player got your daughter spot .

Do you people re-read what you type before you hit send? Like 5 year olds...

[2nd rate player from west islip? My daughter is a first rate player commuted to a d1 school. But whatever helps you sleep at night. Oh and btw. I never met nor spoke to bs or ss in 3 years that my daughter has played here. Her talent speaks for itself quote=Anonymous]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Without a doubt more connections coming through the YJ organization. With that said, still a lot of talent on TG Black teams with some commitments at top schools. Can only speak for myself....my daughter was offered spots at top 5 programs, but financially we still couldn't make it happen. Ended up committing to top 20 school that was within our financial fit. There are many reasons people consider schools not just for the program. Don't think it is a significant drop off at all and honestly can't stand when narrow minded individuals make blanket statements only considering a posted list of college commitments.

We were in and now we are out. The program has dropped off significantly. In regards to recruiting, it is night and day since we left. In regards to coaching, it is night and day since we left.

No hard feelings, just glad we left. We here the same from all the families that have left as well at all ages. Regardless if they went to YJ or Leg.

We are glad you left. So now do we have to read your nonsense anymore?? Have a great summer.

Sorry if my "nonsense" reminds you of the disadvantage your child will be in come recruiting time. obviously you are a West Babylon or West Islip (2nd rate WI players play for TG) lemming. Good luck this season with you Teenage coach and broken promises of "world class coaching". When you are at your daughters first tournament and its total confusion because the coaches haven't seen the girls in like 10 months or for many never met the new girls. [/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Without a doubt more connections coming through the YJ organization. With that said, still a lot of talent on TG Black teams with some commitments at top schools. Can only speak for myself....my daughter was offered spots at top 5 programs, but financially we still couldn't make it happen. Ended up committing to top 20 school that was within our financial fit. There are many reasons people consider schools not just for the program. Don't think it is a significant drop off at all and honestly can't stand when narrow minded individuals make blanket statements only considering a posted list of college commitments.

We were in and now we are out. The program has dropped off significantly. In regards to recruiting, it is night and day since we left. In regards to coaching, it is night and day since we left.

No hard feelings, just glad we left. We here the same from all the families that have left as well at all ages. Regardless if they went to YJ or Leg.

We are glad you left. So now do we have to read your nonsense anymore?? Have a great summer.

Sorry if my "nonsense" reminds you of the disadvantage your child will be in come recruiting time. obviously you are a West Babylon or West Islip (2nd rate WI players play for TG) lemming. Good luck this season with you Teenage coach and broken promises of "world class coaching". When you are at your daughters first tournament and its total confusion because the coaches haven't seen the girls in like 10 months or for many never met the new girls. [/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[2nd rate player from west islip? My daughter is a first rate player commuted to a d1 school. But whatever helps you sleep at night. Oh and btw. I never met nor spoke to bs or ss in 3 years that my daughter has played here. Her talent speaks for itself quote=Anonymous]

Congratulations on your daughter's success. Thank you for essentially making my point. Obviously your daughter was gifted athletically, but you say you never spoke to SS and BS during her three years, is that what people should expect from their club? No contact from a director(s) especially during the recruiting years??? SHe seemed to join TG later (Freshman into Sophomore year I assume from you comment of 3 years) did you come from somewhere else? How did your daughter develop her skills? Somewhere else I assume, or you probably had to make up for the lack of instruction yourself by seeking out more opportunities than a player from a club with a solid instructional model. My point is that girls are leaving TG and go from never talking to a college coach to having 5 or more colleges interested after only playing in 2 fall tourns with another club. Does that sound right?? If you are a 1st rate player from West Islip as you claim then you see how easy all the YJ players had it in developing with their team.

There is 1 West Islip girl committed to a D1 school from TG in 2017 age group and she's not playing this year. YJ has none from WI at that age group. There are NO west islip girls for 2018 or 2019 committed from either club yet.

There are two girls from westislip that are committed to a d1 school in the 2017 get your facts right

Originally Posted by Mets fan

There are two girls from westislip that are committed to a d1 school in the 2017 get your facts right

My mistake, I apologize. Let's go Mets

Doesnt look like TG 2021did very well Sunday was that their black team?

Now that SS is the coach of the LI team in the new Pro League, in addition to her Hofsta and TG responsibilities, how do you think she'd rank in terms of priority?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesnt look like TG 2021did very well Sunday was that their black team?

That was the white team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesnt look like TG 2021did very well Sunday was that their black team?

That was the white team

That team is in for a rough summer with a lot of travel and expense considering how they did against a town team. At that level of play there really is no need to travel off the island.

They came in second to a very competitive team, nice try though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They came in second to a very competitive team, nice try though.

Ok, sounds like you maybe new to the TG family and excited about placing in this tourny?
Congrats on coming in second, you really gave those icon girls a run for their money!

Nope just don't like grown ups trying to call out little girls who played well and had a good time....

Icon? they good at that age?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Icon? they good at that age?

They have nice uniforms

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nope just don't like grown ups trying to call out little girls who played well and had a good time....

Why did Top Guns play in the 7th grade division when their goalie was an 8th grader? There was at least one other 8th grader playing for them as well. I'd love to see the "entry roster". Has BS added cheating to his resume as well?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nope just don't like grown ups trying to call out little girls who played well and had a good time....

Why did Top Guns play in the 7th grade division when their goalie was an 8th grader? There was at least one other 8th grader playing for them as well. I'd love to see the "entry roster". Has BS added cheating to his resume as well?

Pay no attention to the YJ lemmings on here. The have small "assets" and no other purpose in life than to jump on TG at every.possible.opportunity. They treat their daughters success as their own. Just ignore them and move on. They hate being ignored.

How about TG 2023 black beating YJ blue at the shamrock shoot out? Nothing negative to say about that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nope just don't like grown ups trying to call out little girls who played well and had a good time....

Why did Top Guns play in the 7th grade division when their goalie was an 8th grader? There was at least one other 8th grader playing for them as well. I'd love to see the "entry roster". Has BS added cheating to his resume as well?

Pay no attention to the YJ lemmings on here. The have small "assets" and no other purpose in life than to jump on TG at every.possible.opportunity. They treat their daughters success as their own. Just ignore them and move on. They hate being ignored.

That is unscrupulous if they indeed used older girls to play in 7th grade division. That is against the spirit of competition. Shame on the adults for such a poor example. Nothing to do with YJ, this is wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about TG 2023 black beating YJ blue at the shamrock shoot out? Nothing negative to say about that?

That 23 black team had lots of talent and were tough when most of them played on the 22 purple last year. Nice win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about TG 2023 black beating YJ blue at the shamrock shoot out? Nothing negative to say about that?

That 23 black team had lots of talent and were tough when most of them played on the 22 purple last year. Nice win.

Oh...give a few YJ'ers a few hours to put their collective heads together, confer with CR, and come up with a predictable response. They'll probably say it wasn't a full team, somebody had a headache, etc. Remember friends...In the YJ world they never lose...sometimes they just score less goals than the other team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about TG 2023 black beating YJ blue at the shamrock shoot out? Nothing negative to say about that?

That 23 black team had lots of talent and were tough when most of them played on the 22 purple last year. Nice win.

Oh...give a few YJ'ers a few hours to put their collective heads together, confer with CR, and come up with a predictable response. They'll probably say it wasn't a full team, somebody had a headache, etc. Remember friends...In the YJ world they never lose...sometimes they just score less goals than the other team.

Maybe the 2021 team should have pulled up some of the 2023 girls!

TG 2023 Black is one of the best teams in the country at that age group.They will win a lot of tournaments this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about TG 2023 black beating YJ blue at the shamrock shoot out? Nothing negative to say about that?

That 23 black team had lots of talent and were tough when most of them played on the 22 purple last year. Nice win.

This was a real compliment. (Original poster). These girls were competitive when they played in the 22 division last year. I forgot that most TG parents here suffer from an inferiority complex and only take compliments as sarcasm from YJ families.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2023 Black is one of the best teams in the country at that age group.They will win a lot of tournaments this year.

PLEASE DON'T REPLY TO THIS PERSON TRYING TO STIR THE POT!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2023 Black is one of the best teams in the country at that age group.They will win a lot of tournaments this year.

Seriously? They're 10 years old. This sounds ridiculous. Come on TG dad- your embarrassing us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2023 Black is one of the best teams in the country at that age group.They will win a lot of tournaments this year.

Seriously? They're 10 years old. This sounds ridiculous. Come on TG dad- your embarrassing us.

That was not from a TG dad just some trying to start trouble.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2023 Black is one of the best teams in the country at that age group.They will win a lot of tournaments this year.

Seriously? They're 10 years old. This sounds ridiculous. Come on TG dad- your embarrassing us.

If they are really that good don't you think they will end up at YJ in another year or so? Seems to be the pattern as girls get older.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2023 Black is one of the best teams in the country at that age group.They will win a lot of tournaments this year.

Seriously? They're 10 years old. This sounds ridiculous. Come on TG dad- your embarrassing us.

That was not from a TG dad just some trying to start trouble.

It was from BS himself. He has been talking this group up to the parents. Probably doesn�t want this team to go the way of the 2020 team. He even promised SS as their coach next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2023 Black is one of the best teams in the country at that age group.They will win a lot of tournaments this year.

Seriously? They're 10 years old. This sounds ridiculous. Come on TG dad- your embarrassing us.

If they are really that good don't you think they will end up at YJ in another year or so? Seems to be the pattern as girls get older.

Only the real good girls. The rest will stay until their development has slowed that they are so far behind the girls they were once light years ahead of. Just a fact with their coaching model.

LOL! , Why, because you beat YJ in the Shamrock Shootout last week?. YJ doesn't even have a true "A" team. They have a 45 minute evaluation on indoor turf in December. Basically divided girls into last years squads and coaches just split up some of the new kids. Teams didn't even practice until. February. Let's talk after TG actually wins something besides the first tourney of the season. What a joke!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2023 Black is one of the best teams in the country at that age group.They will win a lot of tournaments this year.

Seriously? They're 10 years old. This sounds ridiculous. Come on TG dad- your embarrassing us.

If they are really that good don't you think they will end up at YJ in another year or so? Seems to be the pattern as girls get older.

Only the real good girls. The rest will stay until their development has slowed that they are so far behind the girls they were once light years ahead of. Just a fact with their coaching model.

Listen, every club has an appeal on some level. Not all TG players (or any club) would be better off switching to YJ, especially girls from the top teams. Very talented girls get lost in a sea of talent on the top YJ teams. Would you rather be a big fish in a small pond or...... You know the rest. This is true even for 2nd team YJ players looking to move to top. The dynamics will be drastically different, which situation will your daughter rather be in and get the most out of?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL! , Why, because you beat YJ in the Shamrock Shootout last week?. YJ doesn't even have a true "A" team. They have a 45 minute evaluation on indoor turf in December. Basically divided girls into last years squads and coaches just split up some of the new kids. Teams didn't even practice until. February. Let's talk after TG actually wins something besides the first tourney of the season. What a joke!

Spoken like a true YJ D-bag. You took the bait and fell right for it.

YJ pukes think their club is THE CLUB! Why anyone with any sense of integrity and pride would join that team, just to say "my daughter plays for YJ" is beyond me. Nobody but YJ'ers care who their kid plays for. I bet they cheer for the Yankees, Notre Dame, Duke, the Patriots and the Cowboys too.

[quote=Anonymous]YJ pukes think their club is THE CLUB! Why anyone with any sense of integrity and pride would join that team, just to say "my daughter plays for YJ" is beyond me. Nobody but YJ'ers care who their kid plays for. I bet they cheer for the Yankees, Notre Dame, Duke, the Patriots and the Cowboys too. [/quote

You don't care what club your kid plays for, or what coach, or who her teammates are? If the YJ people are proud their kid plays for YJ then good for them, if you have no pride in the team your daughter plays on then maybe its you that has the issue.

[quote=Anonymous]LOL! , Why, because you beat YJ in the Shamrock Shootout last week?. YJ doesn't even have a true "A" team. They have a 45 minute evaluation on indoor turf in December. Basically divided girls into last years squads and coaches just split up some of the new kids. Teams didn't even practice until. February. Let's talk after TG actually wins something besides the first tourney of the season. What a joke!

CR clearly doesn't know how to run a try out I think you should approach her and give her your suggestions she'd be very open to that.

yeah, i'll bet.

Yeah. Spoken like a true TG D-bag. Nice job expert.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL! , Why, because you beat YJ in the Shamrock Shootout last week?. YJ doesn't even have a true "A" team. They have a 45 minute evaluation on indoor turf in December. Basically divided girls into last years squads and coaches just split up some of the new kids. Teams didn't even practice until. February. Let's talk after TG actually wins something besides the first tourney of the season. What a joke!

Are you just upset because CR tweets about the 2025 team and not yours?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL! , Why, because you beat YJ in the Shamrock Shootout last week?. YJ doesn't even have a true "A" team. They have a 45 minute evaluation on indoor turf in December. Basically divided girls into last years squads and coaches just split up some of the new kids. Teams didn't even practice until. February. Let's talk after TG actually wins something besides the first tourney of the season. What a joke!

Are you just upset because CR tweets about the 2025 team and not yours?

Yes I am. She tweeted that all her players can now tie their cleats. The team is way ahead of any team she has had.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL! , Why, because you beat YJ in the Shamrock Shootout last week?. YJ doesn't even have a true "A" team. They have a 45 minute evaluation on indoor turf in December. Basically divided girls into last years squads and coaches just split up some of the new kids. Teams didn't even practice until. February. Let's talk after TG actually wins something besides the first tourney of the season. What a joke!

Are you just upset because CR tweets about the 2025 team and not yours?

Ha ha ha...he probably is. Now he needs some aloe for that burn he just got. EVERY TIME they lose a game there's ALWAYS an excuse. YJ'ers can NEVER say they just got beat, fair and square. CR would probably excommunicate them if they did.

JET FAN you loser

[quote=Anonymous]JET FAN you loser [/quote

Serously? You should become the TG poster boy!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

JET FAN you loser

random

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL! , Why, because you beat YJ in the Shamrock Shootout last week?. YJ doesn't even have a true "A" team. They have a 45 minute evaluation on indoor turf in December. Basically divided girls into last years squads and coaches just split up some of the new kids. Teams didn't even practice until. February. Let's talk after TG actually wins something besides the first tourney of the season. What a joke!

Are you just upset because CR tweets about the 2025 team and not yours?

She only tweets about teams that win. Can't tweet about losing, it's not cool.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL! , Why, because you beat YJ in the Shamrock Shootout last week?. YJ doesn't even have a true "A" team. They have a 45 minute evaluation on indoor turf in December. Basically divided girls into last years squads and coaches just split up some of the new kids. Teams didn't even practice until. February. Let's talk after TG actually wins something besides the first tourney of the season. What a joke!

Are you just upset because CR tweets about the 2025 team and not yours?

She only tweets about teams that win. Can't tweet about losing, it's not cool.

It's a business, she tweets about the teams that promote her business. How would you do it if you were running a successful business?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL! , Why, because you beat YJ in the Shamrock Shootout last week?. YJ doesn't even have a true "A" team. They have a 45 minute evaluation on indoor turf in December. Basically divided girls into last years squads and coaches just split up some of the new kids. Teams didn't even practice until. February. Let's talk after TG actually wins something besides the first tourney of the season. What a joke!

Are you just upset because CR tweets about the 2025 team and not yours?

She only tweets about teams that win. Can't tweet about losing, it's not cool.

It's a business, she tweets about the teams that promote her business. How would you do it if you were running a successful business?

I'd tweet about the teams that win to promote my business.

I didn't realize Top Guns still had teams! That's great! Good for you guys! It just proves that the little guys still have a shot of avoiding YJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I didn't realize Top Guns still had teams! That's great! Good for you guys! It just proves that the little guys still have a shot of avoiding YJ.

What/who are YJ ???? Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I didn't realize Top Guns still had teams! That's great! Good for you guys! It just proves that the little guys still have a shot of avoiding YJ.

Mostly like a local PAL team for West Bab/West Islip that travels in the summer. Any girl with athletic potential usually seeks real coaching elsewhere.

Thanks so much for taking the time out of your busy YJ schedule to post on a TG thread. Same dad who probably pays thousands for training when there's a brick wall right in front of his house.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks so much for taking the time out of your busy YJ schedule to post on a TG thread. Same dad who probably pays thousands for training when there's a brick wall right in front of his house.

Says a lot coming from a dad who pays thousands for a a travel program when there is a PAL program in their very own town offering the same level of training.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks so much for taking the time out of your busy YJ schedule to post on a TG thread. Same dad who probably pays thousands for training when there's a brick wall right in front of his house.

Says a lot coming from a dad who pays thousands for a a travel program when there is a PAL program in their very own town offering the same level of training.

That's world class coaching you're making fun of.

Are these teams ever going to practice? 3 of the first 4 were cancelled already. Girls will have very little time to get used to each other and their new coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are these teams ever going to practice? 3 of the first 4 were cancelled already. Girls will have very little time to get used to each other and their new coaches.

Its been raining you Jacka$$ troll. Go away

Don't worry, your fees will be returned on a pro-rate basis.

Hahahahahahahaha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are these teams ever going to practice? 3 of the first 4 were cancelled already. Girls will have very little time to get used to each other and their new coaches.

Its been raining you Jacka$$ troll. Go away

Was it raining on the first Sunday practice? No it wasn't. Canceled because they thought girls would be away for spring break. Stupid move. Maybe it's because there are no world class coaches home from school yet.

This is probably the sole reason the smart dads took the girls away from this program
No coaching, no practices, equals no chemistry so sad. Way for it.... Coaches are available everywhere but TG is not looking for quality coaches
Sorry. I bet YJ and L has practices this weekend and I know for sure u can find the magic man out just watching Mr coach

This TG/YJ stuff is getting old.... Practice/play lax and be happy! Its youth travel lax. Enough with the drama.

Being involved with club lax for two years, by far the majority of YJ/TG parents are not like this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are these teams ever going to practice? 3 of the first 4 were cancelled already. Girls will have very little time to get used to each other and their new coaches.

Sounds like a sh*t stirrer's in the house!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are these teams ever going to practice? 3 of the first 4 were cancelled already. Girls will have very little time to get used to each other and their new coaches.

Sounds like a sh*t stirrer's in the house!

TG has quickly become irrelevant, this thread will be as quiet as Liberty and Elevate (accept for a few lunatics), once the summer season is over and it becomes apparent that they can no longer compete

You cannot even compare TG's to Liberty or Elevate. TG's has gone straight down the toilet. Look at the commits for TG then look at the commits for Liberty and Elevate. Absolutely, no comparison in the schools. 20 Hofstra 10 Townson and a couple of strays. Move on!!!!!

These girls should be focusing on going to college for academics not lacrosse. There are a few IVY league schools on Top Guns but lets face it number one you must have the money to go to an IVY league school and number 2 the kids that are going to these schools are going because they are smart and are not going to PLAY LACROSSE.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You cannot even compare TG's to Liberty or Elevate. TG's has gone straight down the toilet. Look at the commits for TG then look at the commits for Liberty and Elevate. Absolutely, no comparison in the schools. 20 Hofstra 10 Townson and a couple of strays. Move on!!!!!

Take it easy honey...I left the Xanax on the kitchen counter for you. Remember to take it with a glass of water...

Ok thanks (Honey)... Don't forget to flush the toilet along with your kids scholarship (NOT)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These girls should be focusing on going to college for academics not lacrosse. There are a few IVY league schools on Top Guns but lets face it number one you must have the money to go to an IVY league school and number 2 the kids that are going to these schools are going because they are smart and are not going to PLAY LACROSSE.

Ivy's are all blind admission, if you get accepted they will make the finances work - they all have multi-billion dollar endowments and are really just about the cheapest schools to attend. 2200 SAT score and a good lax stick will get you into most

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You cannot even compare TG's to Liberty or Elevate. TG's has gone straight down the toilet. Look at the commits for TG then look at the commits for Liberty and Elevate. Absolutely, no comparison in the schools. 20 Hofstra 10 Townson and a couple of strays. Move on!!!!!

I assume you are looking at the 2018 recruits. Liberty does have some very impressive schools. Elevate however has very few 2018s committed and only a couple are going anywhere decent when you look at both lax and academics combined. I would take Towson or Hofstra over Duquesne and some of the other schools the 2018 Elevate kids have committed to! Why didn't you mention YJ. They have a lot of kids committed to great schools. CR does a great job in helping them. Again, I also see that Liberty has a lot of kids going to some very good schools as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These girls should be focusing on going to college for academics not lacrosse. There are a few IVY league schools on Top Guns but lets face it number one you must have the money to go to an IVY league school and number 2 the kids that are going to these schools are going because they are smart and are not going to PLAY LACROSSE.

Ivy's are all blind admission, if you get accepted they will make the finances work - they all have multi-billion dollar endowments and are really just about the cheapest schools to attend. 2200 SAT score and a good lax stick will get you into most

Why post on here when u have no idea what you are talking about

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These girls should be focusing on going to college for academics not lacrosse. There are a few IVY league schools on Top Guns but lets face it number one you must have the money to go to an IVY league school and number 2 the kids that are going to these schools are going because they are smart and are not going to PLAY LACROSSE.

Ivy's are all blind admission, if you get accepted they will make the finances work - they all have multi-billion dollar endowments and are really just about the cheapest schools to attend. 2200 SAT score and a good lax stick will get you into most

Why post on here when u have no idea what you are talking

about

Is that you Bill? Lets not call out people who don't know what they're talking about

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These girls should be focusing on going to college for academics not lacrosse. There are a few IVY league schools on Top Guns but lets face it number one you must have the money to go to an IVY league school and number 2 the kids that are going to these schools are going because they are smart and are not going to PLAY LACROSSE.

You are ill informed. Ivy's are a percentage of family income, so they can be the price a state school due to large endowments. If a player ends up getting injured or deciding not to play anymore, it will still cost the same price. There would be no loss of scholarship. Did you ever think that a kid can be smart and athletic? It doesn't have to be one or the other.

Congratulations to the 2018 purple team for making the finals. Team played great all weekend. Gave up 12 goals in 4 games. Coach is outstanding. She made some good lines of girls that played well together. White girls have only made this team better from last year. This team was two years in the making but better late than never. Good luck the rest of the way. It was a great Father's Day watching you play.

Congratulations to the 2020 black team for winning the National Draw. Great job girls. Its been a couple of years since a TG team has won.

Does anyone else have a problem with the size of both 2018 teams roster sizes? After watching both teams at Northern Rise, this seems to not be a problem for every other team we played. Our benches have about 12-14 girls waiting to go in while other teams have 5 or 6. How are the girls supposed to be evaluated by scouts if they don't play enough? Playing time is definitely not equal for either team also. Rosters are not balanced by positions and it's becoming a bigger problem every week. Should be interesting to see how many girls skip going to Virginia because they are tired of playing 5 minutes per half or none at all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone else have a problem with the size of both 2018 teams roster sizes? After watching both teams at Northern Rise, this seems to not be a problem for every other team we played. Our benches have about 12-14 girls waiting to go in while other teams have 5 or 6. How are the girls supposed to be evaluated by scouts if they don't play enough? Playing time is definitely not equal for either team also. Rosters are not balanced by positions and it's becoming a bigger problem every week. Should be interesting to see how many girls skip going to Virginia because they are tired of playing 5 minutes per half or none at all.

Unfortunately they had (3) teams last year and there are only (2) this year. When you have 15 girls on the sidelines during a game and the coaches just sub en masse you will never be competitive and this is what we are seeing this year even from the Black team which is normally a good team. For the committed girls this is no big deal but for those still looking for a college this does not bode well.

very good point. its true.... starters , and the first off the sideline get the most minutes. in game they get the most vocal coaching as well. you make a long drive , get hotel room etc. and adding it up over 2 days in 4 games wind up on field for maybe 15 minutes. its really sad . no matter how overly optimistic and unrealistic some parents are about getting recruited or "scouted" , its a lousy deal when there are too many kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone else have a problem with the size of both 2018 teams roster sizes? After watching both teams at Northern Rise, this seems to not be a problem for every other team we played. Our benches have about 12-14 girls waiting to go in while other teams have 5 or 6. How are the girls supposed to be evaluated by scouts if they don't play enough? Playing time is definitely not equal for either team also. Rosters are not balanced by positions and it's becoming a bigger problem every week. Should be interesting to see how many girls skip going to Virginia because they are tired of playing 5 minutes per half or none at all.

Unfortunately they had (3) teams last year and there are only (2) this year. When you have 15 girls on the sidelines during a game and the coaches just sub en masse you will never be competitive and this is what we are seeing this year even from the Black team which is normally a good team. For the committed girls this is no big deal but for those still looking for a college this does not bode well.

The same scenerio happened last year with 2017, thought they'd have enough for 3 teams, then girls say no, they go to 2 giant teams. Girls are better off going to some camps and clinics of schools they are interested in, then the coaches get to see them play.

2018 black played their last game trying to make the playoffs. Only certain girls got to play and they still got handled. At this age group the primary focus is getting girls recruited not making playoffs to win a backpack. SS had to help the black coach who is clearly in over her head with that team. It still didn't help.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 black played their last game trying to make the playoffs. Only certain girls got to play and they still got handled. At this age group the primary focus is getting girls recruited not making playoffs to win a backpack. SS had to help the black coach who is clearly in over her head with that team. It still didn't help.

Actually she played the girls fairly even in the first half and they went down big at half. In the second half she played more or less her main starters and they outscored the other team but could not make up the difference. To be honest with that many girls on the team there are quite a few who do not belong. They are there because of the combination from 3 teams to 2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 black played their last game trying to make the playoffs. Only certain girls got to play and they still got handled. At this age group the primary focus is getting girls recruited not making playoffs to win a backpack. SS had to help the black coach who is clearly in over her head with that team. It still didn't help.

Actually she played the girls fairly even in the first half and they went down big at half. In the second half she played more or less her main starters and they outscored the other team but could not make up the difference. To be honest with that many girls on the team there are quite a few who do not belong. They are there because of the combination from 3 teams to 2

Right, so TG tried to win the game, at the same time some girls sent out letters to college coaches to come and watch them play, and they only got one shift. This is the problem with a big team especially when the girls are going into 11th grade and want to be seen.

Congrats to 2019 black who won the northern rise this weekend. Great job girls!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 black played their last game trying to make the playoffs. Only certain girls got to play and they still got handled. At this age group the primary focus is getting girls recruited not making playoffs to win a backpack. SS had to help the black coach who is clearly in over her head with that team. It still didn't help.

Actually she played the girls fairly even in the first half and they went down big at half. In the second half she played more or less her main starters and they outscored the other team but could not make up the difference. To be honest with that many girls on the team there are quite a few who do not belong. They are there because of the combination from 3 teams to 2

Right, so TG tried to win the game, at the same time some girls sent out letters to college coaches to come and watch them play, and they only got one shift. This is the problem with a big team especially when the girls are going into 11th grade and want to be seen.

I agree with you. I almost fault the event. If you are having a showcase there should be no championship format. You play the games and that is it.

As for the purple team. They have 25 girls on the team. Here is the breakdown by position:
2 goalies
4 defenders
8 middies
11 attackers.
So you have 4 girls that play every second of every game and girls that get 1 shift per half. If you start a game or a half you might get a second shift on offense.The girls that don't, only get one shift. It has been brought to the attention of the coaches that some of the girls need to switch out to defense but it hasn't happened yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 black played their last game trying to make the playoffs. Only certain girls got to play and they still got handled. At this age group the primary focus is getting girls recruited not making playoffs to win a backpack. SS had to help the black coach who is clearly in over her head with that team. It still didn't help.

Actually she played the girls fairly even in the first half and they went down big at half. In the second half she played more or less her main starters and they outscored the other team but could not make up the difference. To be honest with that many girls on the team there are quite a few who do not belong. They are there because of the combination from 3 teams to 2

Listen dbag - if you want to start calling out kids go ahead and we'll have a long conversation. Mistakes were made in both games Saturday by many/all the girls. The first game was lost in the second half when some of the nonstarters didn't play. If you're going to call out kids show your name and don't be gutless.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 black played their last game trying to make the playoffs. Only certain girls got to play and they still got handled. At this age group the primary focus is getting girls recruited not making playoffs to win a backpack. SS had to help the black coach who is clearly in over her head with that team. It still didn't help.

Actually she played the girls fairly even in the first half and they went down big at half. In the second half she played more or less her main starters and they outscored the other team but could not make up the difference. To be honest with that many girls on the team there are quite a few who do not belong. They are there because of the combination from 3 teams to 2

Listen dbag - if you want to start calling out kids go ahead and we'll have a long conversation. Mistakes were made in both games Saturday by many/all the girls. The first game was lost in the second half when some of the nonstarters didn't play. If you're going to call out kids show your name and don't be gutless.

What's your name? Or do you just go by "Tough Guy?"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 black played their last game trying to make the playoffs. Only certain girls got to play and they still got handled. At this age group the primary focus is getting girls recruited not making playoffs to win a backpack. SS had to help the black coach who is clearly in over her head with that team. It still didn't help.

That's been SS team since inception, as soon as it became apparent that they couldn't compete she bailed out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 black played their last game trying to make the playoffs. Only certain girls got to play and they still got handled. At this age group the primary focus is getting girls recruited not making playoffs to win a backpack. SS had to help the black coach who is clearly in over her head with that team. It still didn't help.

Actually she played the girls fairly even in the first half and they went down big at half. In the second half she played more or less her main starters and they outscored the other team but could not make up the difference. To be honest with that many girls on the team there are quite a few who do not belong. They are there because of the combination from 3 teams to 2

Listen dbag - if you want to start calling out kids go ahead and we'll have a long conversation. Mistakes were made in both games Saturday by many/all the girls. The first game was lost in the second half when some of the nonstarters didn't play. If you're going to call out kids show your name and don't be gutless.

What's your name? Or do you just go by "Tough Guy?"

Shoot your mouth off when people can hear you and you'll find out quick you loser.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 black played their last game trying to make the playoffs. Only certain girls got to play and they still got handled. At this age group the primary focus is getting girls recruited not making playoffs to win a backpack. SS had to help the black coach who is clearly in over her head with that team. It still didn't help.

Actually she played the girls fairly even in the first half and they went down big at half. In the second half she played more or less her main starters and they outscored the other team but could not make up the difference. To be honest with that many girls on the team there are quite a few who do not belong. They are there because of the combination from 3 teams to 2

Listen dbag - if you want to start calling out kids go ahead and we'll have a long conversation. Mistakes were made in both games Saturday by many/all the girls. The first game was lost in the second half when some of the nonstarters didn't play. If you're going to call out kids show your name and don't be gutless.

What's your name? Or do you just go by "Tough Guy?"

Shoot your mouth off when people can hear you and you'll find out quick you loser.

No one called out kids, it is just reality in the money making world of girls lacrosse. To me a team should be no more than 22 players. 6 or 7 more girls make it impossible to get even playing time, especially when you are at a championship format tournament. There is not enough talent in an organization for a supposed "A" team to have that many players on their roster.

Let's be honest, if it is a championship format the organization wants to win the tournament. This is good for the program because they can boast about their success thus getting more players to sign up for future years.

On the other side of the equation it was a showcase as well with college coaches so it is understandable that the uncommitted girls want to play and be seen. With
the early commits they need to change the travel landscape. If there are 5 - 6 tournaments in the summer have half of them where everyone plays and have the other half tournaments for uncommitted girls, and this goes for every club so that there are not lopsided games. Also, you should never have a showcase as part of a championship format.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 black played their last game trying to make the playoffs. Only certain girls got to play and they still got handled. At this age group the primary focus is getting girls recruited not making playoffs to win a backpack. SS had to help the black coach who is clearly in over her head with that team. It still didn't help.

That's been SS team since inception, as soon as it became apparent that they couldn't compete she bailed out

It appears the "starters" didn't do too well. Maybe the "starters" shouldn't be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 black played their last game trying to make the playoffs. Only certain girls got to play and they still got handled. At this age group the primary focus is getting girls recruited not making playoffs to win a backpack. SS had to help the black coach who is clearly in over her head with that team. It still didn't help.

That's been SS team since inception, as soon as it became apparent that they couldn't compete she bailed out

It appears the "starters" didn't do too well. Maybe the "starters" shouldn't be.

Hmmm and guess who should be starting

This bickering is so surprising. TG's are has beens. Long time coming, well not really. Feel so bad for all of you really my heart hurts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 black played their last game trying to make the playoffs. Only certain girls got to play and they still got handled. At this age group the primary focus is getting girls recruited not making playoffs to win a backpack. SS had to help the black coach who is clearly in over her head with that team. It still didn't help.

That's been SS team since inception, as soon as it became apparent that they couldn't compete she bailed out

It appears the "starters" didn't do too well. Maybe the "starters" shouldn't be.

Hmmm and guess who should be starting

I'll guess, is it the non-starters?

Another rough weekend for 2018. Even with BS on both sidelines, it didn't make a difference. Losing to teams they should be beating.

Its a showcase...you complain when they play to win and you complain when they play whole team and lose

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another rough weekend for 2018. Even with BS on both sidelines, it didn't make a difference. Losing to teams they should be beating.

It's not about wins and losses at a showcase.

Really, so shocking! Heard they did great. Especially the starters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another rough weekend for 2018. Even with BS on both sidelines, it didn't make a difference. Losing to teams they should be beating.

It's not about wins and losses at a showcase.

Showcase, showcase, showcase. The goal is to showcase girls to the college coaches. I've been on the sidelines with the coaches...they don't care about the score nor do they know the score. They are there to watch the girls that have contacted them or the girls they are recruiting. I wish they wouldn't even keep the score cards. Relax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another rough weekend for 2018. Even with BS on both sidelines, it didn't make a difference. Losing to teams they should be beating.

It's not about wins and losses at a showcase.

Showcase, showcase, showcase. The goal is to showcase girls to the college coaches. I've been on the sidelines with the coaches...they don't care about the score nor do they know the score. They are there to watch the girls that have contacted them or the girls they are recruiting. I wish they wouldn't even keep the score cards. Relax.

Please don't tell them to relax.... The coaches are watching them too. It gives all the other girls a better shot when they scratch the daughters of the loudmouth parents off their list!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another rough weekend for 2018. Even with BS on both sidelines, it didn't make a difference. Losing to teams they should be beating.

It's not about wins and losses at a showcase.

Showcase, showcase, showcase. The goal is to showcase girls to the college coaches. I've been on the sidelines with the coaches...they don't care about the score nor do they know the score. They are there to watch the girls that have contacted them or the girls they are recruiting. I wish they wouldn't even keep the score cards. Relax.

Please don't tell them to relax.... The coaches are watching them too. It gives all the other girls a better shot when they scratch the daughters of the loudmouth parents off their list!

So I guess him running isolation plays for the same girls over and over again helps everyone get recruited? I don't think so

U-15 tournament is underway in Indy.. TG Black tied Integrity 8-8 in first pool game

How is your black team doing?

Won their pool

In answer to your question, how did TG Black do at the U15, they were 5-1-1 and came in 3rd. Yj in 1st, Liberty, 2nd.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In answer to your question, how did TG Black do at the U15, they were 5-1-1 and came in 3rd. Yj in 1st, Liberty, 2nd.

Total waste of time and money

I think TG 23's better than YJ's 23. Saw them both play but when will they go head to head?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think TG 23's better than YJ's 23. Saw them both play but when will they go head to head?

Very true but the better TG girls will move to YJ and they will be the dominate team in a few years. Look back and history will repeat itself. TG does do a better job of developing talent but CR does a better job of plucking g the best.

Can anyone tell me the deadline TG uses for acceptance in their program? Is it before YJ's? If so, do they have a history of making exceptions if someone tried out for YJ also and didn't like their YJ placement?

Anyone

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone tell me the deadline TG uses for acceptance in their program? Is it before YJ's? If so, do they have a history of making exceptions if someone tried out for YJ also and didn't like their YJ placement?

Try outs are August 27 and 28 depending on the age group. Usually find out first week in September if you made a team. Girls have shown up in the past during the winter from other teams if there were open spots on teams. Doesn't matter which club they come from.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I think TG 23's better than YJ's 23. Saw them both play but when will they go head to head?

Very true but the better TG girls will move to YJ and they will be the dominate team in a few years. Look back and history will repeat itself. TG does do a better job of developing talent but CR does a better job of plucking g the best.

TG 2023 beat YJ 2023 this year. But sadly the above poster is probably correct the better TG girls will end up moving to YJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I think TG 23's better than YJ's 23. Saw them both play but when will they go head to head?

Very true but the better TG girls will move to YJ and they will be the dominate team in a few years. Look back and history will repeat itself. TG does do a better job of developing talent but CR does a better job of plucking g the best.

TG 2023 beat YJ 2023 this year. But sadly the above poster is probably correct the better TG girls will end up moving to YJ.

To say the TG develops players better than YJ is just a false statement.... read a few post above about how B.S. attempts at running a game, to S.S. overseeing teams...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I think TG 23's better than YJ's 23. Saw them both play but when will they go head to head?

Very true but the better TG girls will move to YJ and they will be the dominate team in a few years. Look back and history will repeat itself. TG does do a better job of developing talent but CR does a better job of plucking g the best.

TG 2023 beat YJ 2023 this year. But sadly the above poster is probably correct the better TG girls will end up moving to YJ.

don't count on that happening.....already hearing of YJ blue kids looking elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone tell me the deadline TG uses for acceptance in their program? Is it before YJ's? If so, do they have a history of making exceptions if someone tried out for YJ also and didn't like their YJ placement?

What size roster do TG teams typically have?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone tell me the deadline TG uses for acceptance in their program? Is it before YJ's? If so, do they have a history of making exceptions if someone tried out for YJ also and didn't like their YJ placement?

What size roster do TG teams typically have?

Look on their site-- they are big rosters. Big rosters are going to be the case for any team of note, but I wonder about the truth of their playing time philosophy. You'll never get the truth of that here since every one's full of it (for an against).

My youngin' is gonna tryout this fall but I wish I watched them a little on the sidelines this year to see how girls are given playing time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone tell me the deadline TG uses for acceptance in their program? Is it before YJ's? If so, do they have a history of making exceptions if someone tried out for YJ also and didn't like their YJ placement?

What size roster do TG teams typically have?

Depends on the age group. 2018 had the two biggest rosters because 3 teams were combined into 2 when a ton of girls left. Most teams have 22-24 girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone tell me the deadline TG uses for acceptance in their program? Is it before YJ's? If so, do they have a history of making exceptions if someone tried out for YJ also and didn't like their YJ placement?

What size roster do TG teams typically have?

Look on their site-- they are big rosters. Big rosters are going to be the case for any team of note, but I wonder about the truth of their playing time philosophy. You'll never get the truth of that here since every one's full of it (for an against).

My youngin' is gonna tryout this fall but I wish I watched them a little on the sidelines this year to see how girls are given playing time.

I can only comment on the 2018 purple team. The roster was too big. Only had 4 girls that played defense and they never came off the field. Almost 3 full lines for attack and midfield. Girls only got 1 shift per half. Coaches rarely subbed on the fly. Many parents were upset about the playing time to the point they called BS to complain. He coached the very next tournament to see first hand and still was unable to figure it out. 6 girls missing at the hofstra tournament was the only reason the playing time went up.

I have had kids on both YJ and TG, the A teams were capped at 24, but the B, C, D whatever have had up 28-29 kids on the team different years. 24 players is really the max as its 2 full teams ( If the team is properly constructed of 8 defense, 6 middies, 8 attack and 2 goalies)
A few less is better, 18-20 dedicated players who all show-up is ideal.
some clubs post rosters, take a look and count for yourself

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Can anyone tell me the deadline TG uses for acceptance in their program? Is it before YJ's? If so, do they have a history of making exceptions if someone tried out for YJ also and didn't like their YJ placement?

What size roster do TG teams typically have?

Look on their site-- they are big rosters. Big rosters are going to be the case for any team of note, but I wonder about the truth of their playing time philosophy. You'll never get the truth of that here since every one's full of it (for an against).

My youngin' is gonna tryout this fall but I wish I watched them a little on the sidelines this year to see how girls are given playing time.

YJ 2023 A team has 26 on the roster and plenty of complaints about playing time

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone tell me the deadline TG uses for acceptance in their program? Is it before YJ's? If so, do they have a history of making exceptions if someone tried out for YJ also and didn't like their YJ placement?

If you make a team you have a couple of weeks to send in your $500 non refundable deposit. If your daughter chooses to tryout for another program and accept a spot there then you forfeit yor $500.

my daughters team ran 6 attack, 6 middies, 6 defenders & 2 goalies

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my daughters team ran 6 attack, 6 middies, 6 defenders & 2 goalies

Lucky you. My daughters team ran 11 attack, 8 middies, 4 defense and 2 goalies. Season was a total waste.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my daughters team ran 6 attack, 6 middies, 6 defenders & 2 goalies

Lucky you. My daughters team ran 11 attack, 8 middies, 4 defense and 2 goalies. Season was a total waste.

Here's my thought on rosters size. Carry too many people complain. Carry too few and you screw yourself. Anything under 21-22 is no good. My daughter had 19 and at 2 tournaments we had no subs. People blow off tournaments for other sports, vacation, Aunt Gertrude's birthday party whatever. I can't understand how you spend all this money and don't care. And screw the other girls in the process because they are dying in 90 degree heat!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my daughters team ran 6 attack, 6 middies, 6 defenders & 2 goalies

Lucky you. My daughters team ran 11 attack, 8 middies, 4 defense and 2 goalies. Season was a total waste.

Here's my thought on rosters size. Carry too many people complain. Carry too few and you screw yourself. Anything under 21-22 is no good. My daughter had 19 and at 2 tournaments we had no subs. People blow off tournaments for other sports, vacation, Aunt Gertrude's birthday party whatever. I can't understand how you spend all this money and don't care. And screw the other girls in the process because they are dying in 90 degree heat!

Because Aunt Gertrude turns 90 only once and she may not be here next year. In my book, family first!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my daughters team ran 6 attack, 6 middies, 6 defenders & 2 goalies

Lucky you. My daughters team ran 11 attack, 8 middies, 4 defense and 2 goalies. Season was a total waste.

Here's my thought on rosters size. Carry too many people complain. Carry too few and you screw yourself. Anything under 21-22 is no good. My daughter had 19 and at 2 tournaments we had no subs. People blow off tournaments for other sports, vacation, Aunt Gertrude's birthday party whatever. I can't understand how you spend all this money and don't care. And screw the other girls in the process because they are dying in 90 degree heat!

Because Aunt Gertrude turns 90 only once and she may not be here next year. In my book, family first!

I agree but we are in the minority

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my daughters team ran 6 attack, 6 middies, 6 defenders & 2 goalies

Lucky you. My daughters team ran 11 attack, 8 middies, 4 defense and 2 goalies. Season was a total waste.

What position does your daughter play?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]my daughters team ran 6 attack, 6 middies, 6 defenders & 2 goalies

Lucky you. My daughters team ran 11 attack, 8 middies, 4 defense and 2 goalies. Season was a total waste.

What team is only running 4 D?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]my daughters team ran 6 attack, 6 middies, 6 defenders & 2 goalies

Lucky you. My daughters team ran 11 attack, 8 middies, 4 defense and 2 goalies. Season was a total waste.

What team is only running 4 D?

2018 purple.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]my daughters team ran 6 attack, 6 middies, 6 defenders & 2 goalies

Lucky you. My daughters team ran 11 attack, 8 middies, 4 defense and 2 goalies. Season was a total waste.

What team is only running 4 D?

2018 purple

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]my daughters team ran 6 attack, 6 middies, 6 defenders & 2 goalies

Lucky you. My daughters team ran 11 attack, 8 middies, 4 defense and 2 goalies. Season was a total waste.

What team is only running 4 D?

2018 purple

Team had way too many girls. What made it worse was the disparity at all positions. There were a number of girls that could have been moved to defense. Committed middie should have been in the defensive rotation.

Where are all the "haters" that said the 2020 Black team had no talent and would not win at all this summer? The silence speaks volumes. Please could we have some "experts" weigh in? LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are all the "haters" that said the 2020 Black team had no talent and would not win at all this summer? The silence speaks volumes. Please could we have some "experts" weigh in? LOL

Team had a good summer but really didn't have much competition. That is something out of their control. You can only play the teams you are scheduled to play. I guess the "Haters" wanted to see them play YJ 2020 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are all the "haters" that said the 2020 Black team had no talent and would not win at all this summer? The silence speaks volumes. Please could we have some "experts" weigh in? LOL

Tell us any good team that you beat . Yes you are a descent B level team which is the tournaments you played in . The reason no one is talking about you is your team is essentially not relevant .,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]my daughters team ran 6 attack, 6 middies, 6 defenders & 2 goalies

Lucky you. My daughters team ran 11 attack, 8 middies, 4 defense and 2 goalies. Season was a total waste.

What team is only running 4 D?

2018 purple

Team had way too many girls. What made it worse was the disparity at all positions. There were a number of girls that could have been moved to defense. Committed middie should have been in the defensive rotation.

So are you saying that defensive players are the leftovers from offense?

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]my daughters team ran 6 attack, 6 middies, 6 defenders & 2 goalies

Lucky you. My daughters team ran 11 attack, 8 middies, 4 defense and 2 goalies. Season was a total waste.

What team is only running 4 D?

2018 purple

Team had way too many girls. What made it worse was the disparity at all positions. There were a number of girls that could have been moved to defense. Committed middie should have been in the defensive rotation.

So are you saying that defensive players are the leftovers from offense? [/quote

No, the defenders are the only true defenders on the team. Team was put together without regards to balance at all positions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]my daughters team ran 6 attack, 6 middies, 6 defenders & 2 goalies

Lucky you. My daughters team ran 11 attack, 8 middies, 4 defense and 2 goalies. Season was a total waste.

What team is only running 4 D?

2018 purple

Team had way too many girls. What made it worse was the disparity at all positions. There were a number of girls that could have been moved to defense. Committed middie should have been in the defensive rotation.

So are you saying that defensive players are the leftovers from offense? [/quote

No, the defenders are the only true defenders on the team. Team was put together without regards to balance at all positions.

The team was put together when the white team folded. At that time they had to choose to cut the white kids that remained or give them an opportunity to play and be recruited. In hindsight maybe they should have cut the white team kids and moved on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]my daughters team ran 6 attack, 6 middies, 6 defenders & 2 goalies

Lucky you. My daughters team ran 11 attack, 8 middies, 4 defense and 2 goalies. Season was a total waste.

What team is only running 4 D?

2018 purple

Team had way too many girls. What made it worse was the disparity at all positions. There were a number of girls that could have been moved to defense. Committed middie should have been in the defensive rotation.

So are you saying that defensive players are the leftovers from offense? [/quote

No, the defenders are the only true defenders on the team. Team was put together without regards to balance at all positions.

Got it.

White team didn't fold. Both white and purple lost a significant amount of girls so they were forced to combine for one team. White girls that remained were better than the purple girls that remained this season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are all the "haters" that said the 2020 Black team had no talent and would not win at all this summer? The silence speaks volumes. Please could we have some "experts" weigh in? LOL

Team had a good summer but really didn't have much competition. That is something out of their control. You can only play the teams you are scheduled to play. I guess the "Haters" wanted to see them play YJ 2020 team.

M&D, Hero's, Integrity? Oh wait you did play Hero's and lost by double digits. that was the only "A" bracket team you played and you were embarrassed. Start by beating Liberty and Legacy and then you can work your way up to YJ and MD teams

Same with 2017, half of purple girls left so they combined white and purple. Played in the lowest division all summer, and still lost most games. Glad it's over, future younger players should consider playing for an organization that returns phone calls and assists in the recruiting process.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are all the "haters" that said the 2020 Black team had no talent and would not win at all this summer? The silence speaks volumes. Please could we have some "experts" weigh in? LOL

Team had a good summer but really didn't have much competition. That is something out of their control. You can only play the teams you are scheduled to play. I guess the "Haters" wanted to see them play YJ 2020 team.

M&D, Hero's, Integrity? Oh wait you did play Hero's and lost by double digits. that was the only "A" bracket team you played and you were embarrassed. Start by beating Liberty and Legacy and then you can work your way up to YJ and MD teams

Did you really only play 1 A level club and get spanked then come on here to brag about it. The team is no longer considered a top team by any other team .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same with 2017, half of purple girls left so they combined white and purple. Played in the lowest division all summer, and still lost most games. Glad it's over, future younger players should consider playing for an organization that returns phone calls and assists in the recruiting process.

That's what 2018 purple has to look forward to next year. Sad that a lot of 17s are still uncommitted. They are getting no help from this program. You have to do everything yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are all the "haters" that said the 2020 Black team had no talent and would not win at all this summer? The silence speaks volumes. Please could we have some "experts" weigh in? LOL

Team had a good summer but really didn't have much competition. That is something out of their control. You can only play the teams you are scheduled to play. I guess the "Haters" wanted to see them play YJ 2020 team.

M&D, Hero's, Integrity? Oh wait you did play Hero's and lost by double digits. that was the only "A" bracket team you played and you were embarrassed. Start by beating Liberty and Legacy and then you can work your way up to YJ and MD teams

There is no shame in losing to the Integrity 20's. They are a very good team. Strong "A" team.

That's exactly what people said the 2020 team would become and that is non competitive against mid level A teams . When losing by double digits becomes the expected outcome you really cannot say you are an A level team anymore . Its gotten to the point for this club that they are essentially what the beach bums were several years back .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's exactly what people said the 2020 team would become and that is non competitive against mid level A teams . When losing by double digits becomes the expected outcome you really cannot say you are an A level team anymore . Its gotten to the point for this club that they are essentially what the beach bums were several years back .

I definitely would not consider Integrity a mid-evel A team by any stretch of the imagination. They're much, much closer to high-level than mid-level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's exactly what people said the 2020 team would become and that is non competitive against mid level A teams . When losing by double digits becomes the expected outcome you really cannot say you are an A level team anymore . Its gotten to the point for this club that they are essentially what the beach bums were several years back .

What a sad individual you are so consumed by a 13/14 year old girls lacrosse team. Your hatred runs deep so your daughter must have played on this team at some point. It really wouldn't be too hard to figure out who you are. Are they the best team on Long Island? Probably not. Did they have a great summer? Yes they did. Obviously you know about every game they played. Your wife and daughter must be so proud of you knowing that you just can't let go and spend more time thinking and obsessing about this team than you do about them. Please seek out a god counselor so you can work out some of your issues. Let me ask you one question if 2020 Black is so terrible why do you worry about them so much?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]That's exactly what people said the 2020 team would become and that is non competitive against mid level A teams . When losing by double digits becomes the expected outcome you really cannot say you are an A level team anymore . Its gotten to the point for this club that they are essentially what the beach bums were several years back .

What a sad individual you are so consumed by a 13/14 year old girls lacrosse team. Your hatred runs deep so your daughter must have played on this team at some point. It really wouldn't be too hard to figure out who you are. Are they the best team on Long Island? Probably not. Did they have a great summer? Yes they did. Obviously you know about every game they played. Your wife and daughter must be so proud of you knowing that you just can't let go and spend more time thinking and obsessing about this team than you do about them. Please seek out a god counselor so you can work out some of your issues. Let me ask you one question if 2020 Black is so terrible why do you worry about them so much? [/quote

That's what's so funny , I spend no time worrying about them . First some moron like you comes on this site declaring they had a great summer, then you actually act as if there is any chance they are the best team in their age on Long Island . The answer for you slow people does not have a probably at all . No one would know you got crushed by Integrity if you did not come on here declaring how great your team is . Your team us not even top 5 in the age group on Long Island , is what it is . Maybe next summer you will keep heading in the same direction and lose to beach bums.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]That's exactly what people said the 2020 team would become and that is non competitive against mid level A teams . When losing by double digits becomes the expected outcome you really cannot say you are an A level team anymore . Its gotten to the point for this club that they are essentially what the beach bums were several years back .

What a sad individual you are so consumed by a 13/14 year old girls lacrosse team. Your hatred runs deep so your daughter must have played on this team at some point. It really wouldn't be too hard to figure out who you are. Are they the best team on Long Island? Probably not. Did they have a great summer? Yes they did. Obviously you know about every game they played. Your wife and daughter must be so proud of you knowing that you just can't let go and spend more time thinking and obsessing about this team than you do about them. Please seek out a god counselor so you can work out some of your issues. Let me ask you one question if 2020 Black is so terrible why do you worry about them so much? [/quote

That's what's so funny , I spend no time worrying about them . First some moron like you comes on this site declaring they had a great summer, then you actually act as if there is any chance they are the best team in their age on Long Island . The answer for you slow people does not have a probably at all . No one would know you got crushed by Integrity if you did not come on here declaring how great your team is . Your team us not even top 5 in the age group on Long Island , is what it is . Maybe next summer you will keep heading in the same direction and lose to beach bums.

I had nothing to do with the other post. You are the one with a problem.

How is the 2023 team? How is the coaching and talent? Did they play any top competition this summer? Has the team been pretty stable over the last couple years, or will there be a lot of movement? Thinking of having my daughter try out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is the 2023 team? How is the coaching and talent? Did they play any top competition this summer? Has the team been pretty stable over the last couple years, or will there be a lot of movement? Thinking of having my daughter try out.

Not sure they have been around for a "couple of years" they are only 2023's..lol
They play an average schedule, you will never play a tough Maryland team, and you will never play YJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is the 2023 team? How is the coaching and talent? Did they play any top competition this summer? Has the team been pretty stable over the last couple years, or will there be a lot of movement? Thinking of having my daughter try out.

Not sure they have been around for a "couple of years" they are only 2023's..lol
They play an average schedule, you will never play a tough Maryland team, and you will never play YJ.

they played and beat YJ at the Shamrock Shootout

Thanks Wantagh Dad!

No horse in this race, but 2023 in a March tourn that parents arrange is different. The clubs will never be in the same "in season" tournaments. You may play in these types of tournaments that parents enter the teams in, but there will always be "we didn't have our whole team" or "we never played together" types of excuses and scenarios.

No horse in this race, just saying you will play an average schedule as a club (that is schedule by your club). You will rarely (at least not until 8-9th grade see any real quality Maryland teams), you will possibly play TLC which is a pretty good Maryland team, but that's about it. If there are two championship flights in a tournament you will always be in the weaker of the two.

If you are going to say the team had a great summer and consider your team to be an A level team then let's hear a good team that you actually beat . You open yourself up to criticism when other teams have played an actual tough schedule . How many times did you play YJ , MD, Heroes, Integrity top teams and how many many times did you beat them . I find it comical that you went to the US lacrosse nationals but managed to avoid playing YJ 2020 . Why play up if you have zero chance at winning .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's exactly what people said the 2020 team would become and that is non competitive against mid level A teams . When losing by double digits becomes the expected outcome you really cannot say you are an A level team anymore . Its gotten to the point for this club that they are essentially what the beach bums were several years back .

I definitely would not consider Integrity a mid-evel A team by any stretch of the imagination. They're much, much closer to high-level than mid-level.

Did I miss where someone insulted Integrity? Why do you keep posting that they are a high level A team? They were included with M&D and YJ as teams TG didn't play this year. Integrity didn't beat either of those teams either, so by posting you are bringing light to the fact the Integrity is in same boat as TG with the exception of one win over Heros.

Why do people judge an organization based on limited data from only one age group?

Top Guns 2022 Black beat top teams from Elevate, Express, Legacy, and Igloo by more than 5 goals each this summer. They also beat Liberty in OT. They didn't play YJ, so from this data, they are better than all of the the other LI teams that they played. Would've been interesting to see them play YJ. In Maryland, this age group lost to Hero's Green by a few goals for those who will question how they did there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are going to say the team had a great summer and consider your team to be an A level team then let's hear a good team that you actually beat . You open yourself up to criticism when other teams have played an actual tough schedule . How many times did you play YJ , MD, Heroes, Integrity top teams and how many many times did you beat them . I find it comical that you went to the US lacrosse nationals but managed to avoid playing YJ 2020 . Why play up if you have zero chance at winning .

They didn't play YJ 202 in Indianapolis because they played up in the U15 division not U 14

The 2020 had a great season they don't have to explain to you who they played or didn't play.

I have girls in TG our calls have been returned since day one and I have had my emails returned. were you trying to call them at a very busy time of the year and sometimes calls slip between the cracks or are you just an annoying lady worthy of avoidance?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have girls in TG our calls have been returned since day one and I have had my emails returned. were you trying to call them at a very busy time of the year and sometimes calls slip between the cracks or are you just an annoying lady worthy of avoidance?

What town are you from? That makes a difference.

TG 2023 beat the Yellow jackets in March. TG 23 won the National Draw and several other tournaments. TG 23 is very well coached by two dedicated and knowledgeable coaches.

TG 2022 has played and beaten Liberty twice past two years. This year it was a close game but TG 22 still got the win. Then TG 22 played and destroyed Elevate the past two years. Then they played and destroyed Legacy every time they played the past two years. TG 22 have beaten every other LI team by double digits every game they have played. Seriously they are a great group of girls with outstanding coaches. They lost to Hero's Green by four in the first tournament of the season, when Hero's had already had finished a spring league. Heros is an incredible team.

TG 22 and YJ 22 would be a close game which could go either way. other than TG and YJ no one else on Long Island has a chance of competing against the MD teams which are an elite group. whoever out TG 22 and 23 in same category as Beach Bums does not have a clue.

NO it does not. you dont know what you are talking about

you daughter probably was not good enough or you were too annoying

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG 2023 beat the Yellow jackets in March. TG 23 won the National Draw and several other tournaments. TG 23 is very well coached by two dedicated and knowledgeable coaches.

TG 2022 has played and beaten Liberty twice past two years. This year it was a close game but TG 22 still got the win. Then TG 22 played and destroyed Elevate the past two years. Then they played and destroyed Legacy every time they played the past two years. TG 22 have beaten every other LI team by double digits every game they have played. Seriously they are a great group of girls with outstanding coaches. They lost to Hero's Green by four in the first tournament of the season, when Hero's had already had finished a spring league. Heros is an incredible team.

TG 22 and YJ 22 would be a close game which could go either way. other than TG and YJ no one else on Long Island has a chance of competing against the MD teams which are an elite group. whoever out TG 22 and 23 in same category as Beach Bums does not have a clue.

Great news. Maybe this year TG 22 will play the top MD teams and we'll see how good they really are

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are going to say the team had a great summer and consider your team to be an A level team then let's hear a good team that you actually beat . You open yourself up to criticism when other teams have played an actual tough schedule . How many times did you play YJ , MD, Heroes, Integrity top teams and how many many times did you beat them . I find it comical that you went to the US lacrosse nationals but managed to avoid playing YJ 2020 . Why play up if you have zero chance at winning .

They didn't play YJ 202 in Indianapolis because they played up in the U15 division not U 14

That's what's so funny , why play up ? Your team is not good so either you have kids that are too old or you were avoiding a beat down at the hands of integrity or YJ , either way it's an embarrassment . TG 2020 is B level at best , have not beaten an A level team in years , actually have not played an A level team in years without getting spanked by double digits . That said I have to agree with the talent level on that team that is a great summer .

OK. You hate TG's, we get it. Now move on you are boring!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK. You hate TG's, we get it. Now move on you are boring!!!

Everyone knows why he hates TG just ignore him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK. You hate TG's, we get it. Now move on you are boring!!!

Everyone knows why he hates TG just ignore him.

Fill us in , I am obviously the only one who does not know why? That said the original great summer poster did seem to be challenging people to point out that maybe from a competitive point it was not such a great summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK. You hate TG's, we get it. Now move on you are boring!!!

Everyone knows why he hates TG just ignore him.

Fill us in , I am obviously the only one who does not know why? That said the original great summer poster did seem to be challenging people to point out that maybe from a competitive point it was not such a great summer.

The original great summer poster is probably not even a TG parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are all the "haters" that said the 2020 Black team had no talent and would not win at all this summer? The silence speaks volumes. Please could we have some "experts" weigh in? LOL

The silence screams that TG is irrelevant and nobody cares. This post is a desperate plea for you to be noticed and remain in the conversation. I'm sure the list of 2020's committing to hofstra will be posted soon and then you can pound your chest again!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Where are all the "haters" that said the 2020 Black team had no talent and would not win at all this summer? The silence speaks volumes. Please could we have some "experts" weigh in? LOL

Team had a good summer but really didn't have much competition. That is something out of their control. You can only play the teams you are scheduled to play. I guess the "Haters" wanted to see them play YJ 2020 team. [/quot

M&D, Hero's, Integrity? Oh wait you did play Hero's and lost by double digits. that was the only "A" bracket team you played and you were embarrassed. Start by beating Liberty and Legacy and then you can work your way up to YJ and MD teams

There is no shame in losing to the Integrity 20's. They are a very good team. Strong "A" team.

it's embarrassing losing to anybody by double digits, especially when you're trying to sell yourself as an "A" club in the age group - im afraid those days are over

embarrassing, is that adults really care to post this nonsense about youth sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are all the "haters" that said the 2020 Black team had no talent and would not win at all this summer? The silence speaks volumes. Please could we have some "experts" weigh in? LOL

The silence screams that TG is irrelevant and nobody cares. This post is a desperate plea for you to be noticed and remain in the conversation. I'm sure the list of 2020's committing to hofstra will be posted soon and then you can pound your chest again!

Is that you West hampton ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are all the "haters" that said the 2020 Black team had no talent and would not win at all this summer? The silence speaks volumes. Please could we have some "experts" weigh in? LOL

The silence screams that TG is irrelevant and nobody cares. This post is a desperate plea for you to be noticed and remain in the conversation. I'm sure the list of 2020's committing to hofstra will be posted soon and then you can pound your chest again!

Is that you West hampton ?

Is that you, coward who is too afraid to speak to me face to face?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

embarrassing, is that adults really care to post this nonsense about youth sports.

And yet, here you are.
"Most common answer, they wanted to see what he'd say next"

Anyone that was a parent on the 2020 purple team this year know how they fared? What were there results in the travel season? YJ venomous- save it... i just want to hear how they did from people that actually saw all the games.

[quote=Anonymous]Anyone that was a parent on the 2020 purple team this year know how they fared? What were there results in the travel season? YJ venomous- save it... i just want to hear how they did from people that actually saw all the games.

Mediocre team with minimal coaching

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Anyone that was a parent on the 2020 purple team this year know how they fared? What were there results in the travel season? YJ venomous- save it... i just want to hear how they did from people that actually saw all the games.

Mediocre team with minimal coaching

Sounds just like the YJ B and some YJ A teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Anyone that was a parent on the 2020 purple team this year know how they fared? What were there results in the travel season? YJ venomous- save it... i just want to hear how they did from people that actually saw all the games.

Mediocre team with minimal coaching

Sounds just like the YJ B and some YJ A teams

I guess the "parent on 2020 purple" was too much to ask...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Anyone that was a parent on the 2020 purple team this year know how they fared? What were there results in the travel season? YJ venomous- save it... i just want to hear how they did from people that actually saw all the games.

Mediocre team with minimal coaching

Sounds just like the YJ B and some YJ A teams

I guess the "parent on 2020 purple" was too much to ask...

Middle of the road team. Lost some games they should have won. Didn't beat anyone they weren't supposed to. Plenty of talent on the team but plenty of players that shouldn't be playing travel lacrosse. Originally had 3 rosters but not enough white players accepted so the ones that did were absorbed by purple. Their talent level was not up to snuff.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Anyone that was a parent on the 2020 purple team this year know how they fared? What were there results in the travel season? YJ venomous- save it... i just want to hear how they did from people that actually saw all the games.

Mediocre team with minimal coaching

Sounds just like the YJ B and some YJ A teams

I guess the "parent on 2020 purple" was too much to ask...

Middle of the road team. Lost some games they should have won. Didn't beat anyone they weren't supposed to. Plenty of talent on the team but plenty of players that shouldn't be playing travel lacrosse. Originally had 3 rosters but not enough white players accepted so the ones that did were absorbed by purple. Their talent level was not up to snuff.

2020 has never had a white team. You must be getting confused with the 2018's

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are all the "haters" that said the 2020 Black team had no talent and would not win at all this summer? The silence speaks volumes. Please could we have some "experts" weigh in? LOL

The silence screams that TG is irrelevant and nobody cares. This post is a desperate plea for you to be noticed and remain in the conversation. I'm sure the list of 2020's committing to hofstra will be posted soon and then you can pound your chest again!

Is that you West hampton ?

Is that you, coward who is too afraid to speak to me face to face?

Oh yeah? I'll meet you in the schoolyard behind the middle school at high noon. Better come prepared for a street fight.... You big anonymous dope!

People are real tough behind the keyboard only because their kids aren't tough on the field

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are all the "haters" that said the 2020 Black team had no talent and would not win at all this summer? The silence speaks volumes. Please could we have some "experts" weigh in? LOL

The silence screams that TG is irrelevant and nobody cares. This post is a desperate plea for you to be noticed and remain in the conversation. I'm sure the list of 2020's committing to hofstra will be posted soon and then you can pound your chest again!

Is that you West hampton ?

Is that you, coward who is too afraid to speak to me face to face?

Oh yeah? I'll meet you in the schoolyard behind the middle school at high noon. Better come prepared for a street fight.... You big anonymous dope!

The thing is you keep saying you know who it is using your nonsense "Westhampton" so the poster is not anonymous to you. You are obviously anonymous to him and yes too much of a coward to have a conversation with him face to face.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Anyone that was a parent on the 2020 purple team this year know how they fared? What were there results in the travel season? YJ venomous- save it... i just want to hear how they did from people that actually saw all the games.

Mediocre team with minimal coaching

Sounds just like the YJ B and some YJ A teams

I guess the "parent on 2020 purple" was too much to ask...

Middle of the road team. Lost some games they should have won. Didn't beat anyone they weren't supposed to. Plenty of talent on the team but plenty of players that shouldn't be playing travel lacrosse. Originally had 3 rosters but not enough white players accepted so the ones that did were absorbed by purple. Their talent level was not up to snuff.

2020 has never had a white team. You must be getting confused with the 2018's

No 2020 did have a white team but it never made it onto the website. Numerous girls turned down both white and purple before the first payment so they were combined to make one team. 2018 already had an established team that combined with purple.

We were offered a White team spot two years ago in the 2020 age group...and graciously declined. They wanted to keep the Black and Purple teams intact but it backfired and lost a few good players in the process.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We were offered a White team spot two years ago in the 2020 age group...and graciously declined. They wanted to keep the Black and Purple teams intact but it backfired and lost a few good players in the process.

Where did you wind up going?

Where is all the chatter about tryouts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is all the chatter about tryouts?

Went to 2023, about 100 girls, they said there will be two teams, so about half there won't make a team. How did the 2023 teams do last season? I know YJ didn't do well against the MD teams. How about TG?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is all the chatter about tryouts?

Went to 2023, about 100 girls, they said there will be two teams, so about half there won't make a team. How did the 2023 teams do last season? I know YJ didn't do well against the MD teams. How about TG?

2023 black won every tournament they were in this summer. No way BS and SS are letting that much money walk away. There will be a third team for this age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is all the chatter about tryouts?

Went to 2023, about 100 girls, they said there will be two teams, so about half there won't make a team. How did the 2023 teams do last season? I know YJ didn't do well against the MD teams. How about TG?

2023 black won every tournament they were in this summer. No way BS and SS are letting that much money walk away. There will be a third team for this age group.

Did you play any MD teams or just hang out on LI playing Beach Bums?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is all the chatter about tryouts?

Went to 2023, about 100 girls, they said there will be two teams, so about half there won't make a team. How did the 2023 teams do last season? I know YJ didn't do well against the MD teams. How about TG?

When do they typically post tryout results?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is all the chatter about tryouts?

Went to 2023, about 100 girls, they said there will be two teams, so about half there won't make a team. How did the 2023 teams do last season? I know YJ didn't do well against the MD teams. How about TG?

2023 black won every tournament they were in this summer. No way BS and SS are letting that much money walk away. There will be a third team for this age group.

Yj blue kids Arthur tryouts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is all the chatter about tryouts?

Went to 2023, about 100 girls, they said there will be two teams, so about half there won't make a team. How did the 2023 teams do last season? I know YJ didn't do well against the MD teams. How about TG?

2023 black won every tournament they were in this summer. No way BS and SS are letting that much money walk away. There will be a third team for this age group.

Every girl will make a team, no cuts. They will have 3 teams as there were 90 girls and many tried out for other teams as well as upcoming YJ tryouts. TG will threaten deposits need to be made before YJ tryouts in every group- but they have never turned away a penny so don't fall for it. If your daughter is trying out for other teams and makes It go there. Do not give TG deposit,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is all the chatter about tryouts?

Went to 2023, about 100 girls, they said there will be two teams, so about half there won't make a team. How did the 2023 teams do last season? I know YJ didn't do well against the MD teams. How about TG?

When do they typically post tryout results?

My daughter said next weekend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is all the chatter about tryouts?

Went to 2023, about 100 girls, they said there will be two teams, so about half there won't make a team. How did the 2023 teams do last season? I know YJ didn't do well against the MD teams. How about TG?

2023 black won every tournament they were in this summer. No way BS and SS are letting that much money walk away. There will be a third team for this age group.

Did you play any MD teams or just hang out on LI playing Beach Bums?

Did beat Skywalkers at National Draw this summer .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is all the chatter about tryouts?

TG has become irrelevant, nobody cares

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is all the chatter about tryouts?

TG has become irrelevant, nobody cares

Says the jealous mom whose daughter was cut!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is all the chatter about tryouts?

TG has become irrelevant, nobody cares

Try outs for 2018 were a total joke. Girls were split into the teams the girls were on. New girls were put with purple. SS did drills with black and never looked at purple. It was more like one of their poorly organized practices.

What did you expect? Its their last summer, they'll play a few tournaments. Tough year to move.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Payment Includes:

Practices : 10 Team Practices

Only 10 promised practices? That seems WAY light.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Payment Includes:

Practices : 10 Team Practices

Only 10 promised practices? That seems WAY light.

They doubled the team practices last year. They also trained during the winter. The 29th team tryouts The girls were evenly split and mixed up throughout the stations and then they scrimmage some girls that were on purple scrimmage with black some girls that were on white scrimmage with purple

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is all the chatter about tryouts?

TG has become irrelevant, nobody cares

Try outs for 2018 were a total joke. Girls were split into the teams the girls were on. New girls were put with purple. SS did drills with black and never looked at purple. It was more like one of their poorly organized practices.

If it weren't for the payments, SS wouldn't even know purple existed!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is all the chatter about tryouts?

TG has become irrelevant, nobody cares

Try outs for 2018 were a total joke. Girls were split into the teams the girls were on. New girls were put with purple. SS did drills with black and never looked at purple. It was more like one of their poorly organized practices.

If it weren't for the payments, SS wouldn't even know purple existed!

So sad but true. Website now says all teams overseen by the directors of TG. That could be any of the Smiths

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What did you expect? Its their last summer, they'll play a few tournaments. Tough year to move.

WRONG!!! It's never too late to change organizations! Especially your last year! Go someplace else and let your daughter get the attention and respect she deserves, no regrets! Or save your money and go to the camps of 3 schools your daughter is interested in

That is very good advice!!

Here's an interesting question. When you have two large rosters going into their last season of travel and girls leave for whatever reason. Do you play with whoever is left or do you add girls that come to tryout? Both teams will still have at least 22 players with the girls that are leaving. Do you add new girls for one summer?

Your wasting your money also going to camps without communicating with the coaches beforehand.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your wasting your money also going to camps without communicating with the coaches beforehand.

I agree with this. Regardless of what club you play for. A player should email the coach expressing an interest in the school. If they have a hilights reel attach to email. The say if they are interested in having you come to camp and/or clinic to contact your travel coordinator. It they are then they will

Looking for feedback on 2021 Black. Heard that 7 girls from last year's roster aren't returning (at least 2 going to YJA). How is the coaching?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking for feedback on 2021 Black. Heard that 7 girls from last year's roster aren't returning (at least 2 going to YJA). How is the coaching?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking for feedback on 2021 Black. Heard that 7 girls from last year's roster aren't returning (at least 2 going to YJA). How is the coaching?

TG 2021 Black wasn't all that good last year. If they have lost 7 players then that will certainly not help them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking for feedback on 2021 Black. Heard that 7 girls from last year's roster aren't returning (at least 2 going to YJA). How is the coaching?

Undergoing the 3rd or 4th coaching change in as many years. This team has lost over ten of their most talented players and the reason for most is the poor coaching. Learn from other peoples mistakes and steer clear of this program. You will be underwhelmed all the time. Even when BS tries to coach, he really isn't a good coach himself. He was just another crazy lacrosse dad who passes himself off as a coach. He and the program cannot help your daughter increase her lax IQ, and play the game at the next level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking for feedback on 2021 Black. Heard that 7 girls from last year's roster aren't returning (at least 2 going to YJA). How is the coaching?

TG 2021 Black wasn't all that good last year. If they have lost 7 players then that will certainly not help them.

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Funny stuff....So first they lost 2 players , then 5, then 7 now 10.
Just for record to bring some FACTS to conversation.

Beat every team on LI except YJ who they haven't had opportunity to play. Did lose to Liberty at Hofstra

results from summer 2016 season

National draw-4-0
The Grind-Champs
Best of Beach-Champs
Hofstra-Champs

If my daughter was scrimmaging with the TG Black girls at the end of the tryout, does that mean she probably made the Black team? Looked like about 24 girls in that group. TIA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking for feedback on 2021 Black. Heard that 7 girls from last year's roster aren't returning (at least 2 going to YJA). How is the coaching?

Undergoing the 3rd or 4th coaching change in as many years. This team has lost over ten of their most talented players and the reason for most is the poor coaching. Learn from other peoples mistakes and steer clear of this program. You will be underwhelmed all the time. Even when BS tries to coach, he really isn't a good coach himself. He was just another crazy lacrosse dad who passes himself off as a coach. He and the program cannot help your daughter increase her lax IQ, and play the game at the next level.

To clarify the loss occurred over the last 3 seasons. Every year 2-3 talented girls leave and not everyone left for YJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking for feedback on 2021 Black. Heard that 7 girls from last year's roster aren't returning (at least 2 going to YJA). How is the coaching?

TG 2021 Black wasn't all that good last year. If they have lost 7 players then that will certainly not help them.

==========================================================

Funny stuff....So first they lost 2 players , then 5, then 7 now 10.
Just for record to bring some FACTS to conversation.

Beat every team on LI except YJ who they haven't had opportunity to play. Did lose to Liberty at Hofstra

results from summer 2016 season

National draw-4-0
The Grind-Champs
Best of Beach-Champs
Hofstra-Champs

So just for the record since you seem to be in the know, how many 2021 Blk did not attend tryouts?

Can anyone provide feedback on the 2023 TG teams. My daughter went to the tryout, there were a lot of girls! We think she has a shot at the B team. How does the B team compare to A in Talent and Coaching. How do they compare to other top teams on the Island for this age group? Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If my daughter was scrimmaging with the TG Black girls at the end of the tryout, does that mean she probably made the Black team? Looked like about 24 girls in that group. TIA

Yes, that is a good indication that she will end up on that team

That's the way they did it when we went there. At the end of the tryout you could see the Black, Purple and White/New teams scrimmaging seperately.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking for feedback on 2021 Black. Heard that 7 girls from last year's roster aren't returning (at least 2 going to YJA). How is the coaching?

TG 2021 Black wasn't all that good last year. If they have lost 7 players then that will certainly not help them.

==========================================================

Funny stuff....So first they lost 2 players , then 5, then 7 now 10.
Just for record to bring some FACTS to conversation.

Beat every team on LI except YJ who they haven't had opportunity to play. Did lose to Liberty at Hofstra

results from summer 2016 season

National draw-4-0
The Grind-Champs
Best of Beach-Champs
Hofstra-Champs

Funny that none of those tournaments have Maryland teams with the exception of National Draw which Skywalkers won. Skywalkers not coming to National Draw anymore either so TG can will all 4 "B" tournaments they play in this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking for feedback on 2021 Black. Heard that 7 girls from last year's roster aren't returning (at least 2 going to YJA). How is the coaching?

TG 2021 Black wasn't all that good last year. If they have lost 7 players then that will certainly not help them.

==========================================================

Funny stuff....So first they lost 2 players , then 5, then 7 now 10.
Just for record to bring some FACTS to conversation.

Beat every team on LI except YJ who they haven't had opportunity to play. Did lose to Liberty at Hofstra

results from summer 2016 season

National draw-4-0
The Grind-Champs
Best of Beach-Champs
Hofstra-Champs

The only semi impressive tournament there was the National draw and ALL the good teams stopped going to that one years ago. This is by design, if this club tried to attend all the tough tournaments you would have nothing to feel good about. You are the perfect example of why they go to weak tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking for feedback on 2021 Black. Heard that 7 girls from last year's roster aren't returning (at least 2 going to YJA). How is the coaching?

TG 2021 Black wasn't all that good last year. If they have lost 7 players then that will certainly not help them.

==========================================================

Funny stuff....So first they lost 2 players , then 5, then 7 now 10.
Just for record to bring some FACTS to conversation.

Beat every team on LI except YJ who they haven't had opportunity to play. Did lose to Liberty at Hofstra

results from summer 2016 season

National draw-4-0
The Grind-Champs
Best of Beach-Champs
Hofstra-Champs

The only semi impressive tournament there was the National draw and ALL the good teams stopped going to that one years ago. This is by design, if this club tried to attend all the tough tournaments you would have nothing to feel good about. You are the perfect example of why they go to weak tournaments.

You seem to forget that CR has a stake in many of the summer tournaments. TG is not invited to half of them. G8 for example. The rest of the tournaments, the Smiths aren't looking to put more money in her pocket.

2021 Black only beat the Purple team by the skin of their teeth at the Hofstra tournament. Purple was in the lead the whole game and lost by 1 point at the very end of the game. Just sayin

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking for feedback on 2021 Black. Heard that 7 girls from last year's roster aren't returning (at least 2 going to YJA). How is the coaching?

TG 2021 Black wasn't all that good last year. If they have lost 7 players then that will certainly not help them.

==========================================================

Funny stuff....So first they lost 2 players , then 5, then 7 now 10.
Just for record to bring some FACTS to conversation.

Beat every team on LI except YJ who they haven't had opportunity to play. Did lose to Liberty at Hofstra

results from summer 2016 season

National draw-4-0
The Grind-Champs
Best of Beach-Champs
Hofstra-Champs

Funny that none of those tournaments have Maryland teams with the exception of National Draw which Skywalkers won. Skywalkers not coming to National Draw anymore either so TG can will all 4 "B" tournaments they play in this summer.
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Sorry again.....only the facts on BOTC......Summer Classic in MD. Team did very well. Lost 1 game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 Black only beat the Purple team by the skin of their teeth at the Hofstra tournament. Purple was in the lead the whole game and lost by 1 point at the very end of the game. Just sayin

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Again....Only the Facts on BOTC-- They won correct. Cmon man a win is a win. What did you play in college.....Horseshoes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking for feedback on 2021 Black. Heard that 7 girls from last year's roster aren't returning (at least 2 going to YJA). How is the coaching?

TG 2021 Black wasn't all that good last year. If they have lost 7 players then that will certainly not help them.

==========================================================

Funny stuff....So first they lost 2 players , then 5, then 7 now 10.
Just for record to bring some FACTS to conversation.

Beat every team on LI except YJ who they haven't had opportunity to play. Did lose to Liberty at Hofstra

results from summer 2016 season

National draw-4-0
The Grind-Champs
Best of Beach-Champs
Hofstra-Champs

The only semi impressive tournament there was the National draw and ALL the good teams stopped going to that one years ago. This is by design, if this club tried to attend all the tough tournaments you would have nothing to feel good about. You are the perfect example of why they go to weak tournaments.

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Please Mr Troll......tell us what team you root for and what top notch tournaments did you attend since you have determined which tournaments are elite. Are you the college horseshoe player. remember....only the facts on BOTC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking for feedback on 2021 Black. Heard that 7 girls from last year's roster aren't returning (at least 2 going to YJA). How is the coaching?

TG 2021 Black wasn't all that good last year. If they have lost 7 players then that will certainly not help them.

==========================================================

Funny stuff....So first they lost 2 players , then 5, then 7 now 10.
Just for record to bring some FACTS to conversation.

Beat every team on LI except YJ who they haven't had opportunity to play. Did lose to Liberty at Hofstra

results from summer 2016 season

National draw-4-0
The Grind-Champs
Best of Beach-Champs
Hofstra-Champs

So just for the record since you seem to be in the know, how many 2021 Blk did not attend tryouts?

6 girls from black were not at tryouts. 4-0 at national draw in the B pool.

Again....Only the Facts on BOTC-- They won correct. Cmon man a win is a win. What did you play in college.....Horseshoes.
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Just pointing out that it was a struggle for the Black team to pull out a win against the purple team. That's all, but yes a win is most definitely a win

Does TG hold a few roster spots on their top teams to see if they can scoop up any YJ girls after their tryouts?

Reality is that only top two players going to yj a will be missed ..other five that are leaving can be upgraded with players from purple ...this team will be fine ..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking for feedback on 2021 Black. Heard that 7 girls from last year's roster aren't returning (at least 2 going to YJA). How is the coaching?

TG 2021 Black wasn't all that good last year. If they have lost 7 players then that will certainly not help them.

==========================================================

Funny stuff....So first they lost 2 players , then 5, then 7 now 10.
Just for record to bring some FACTS to conversation.

Beat every team on LI except YJ who they haven't had opportunity to play. Did lose to Liberty at Hofstra

results from summer 2016 season

National draw-4-0
The Grind-Champs
Best of Beach-Champs
Hofstra-Champs

Funny that none of those tournaments have Maryland teams with the exception of National Draw which Skywalkers won. Skywalkers not coming to National Draw anymore either so TG can will all 4 "B" tournaments they play in this summer.
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Sorry again.....only the facts on BOTC......Summer Classic in MD. Team did very well. Lost 1 game

Summer Classic wasn't listed, but since you mention it...Heros was the only top MD team there. M&D and Skywalkers were not. Summer Classic is not well attended and is considered B level tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking for feedback on 2021 Black. Heard that 7 girls from last year's roster aren't returning (at least 2 going to YJA). How is the coaching?

TG 2021 Black wasn't all that good last year. If they have lost 7 players then that will certainly not help them.

==========================================================

Funny stuff....So first they lost 2 players , then 5, then 7 now 10.
Just for record to bring some FACTS to conversation.

Beat every team on LI except YJ who they haven't had opportunity to play. Did lose to Liberty at Hofstra

results from summer 2016 season

National draw-4-0
The Grind-Champs
Best of Beach-Champs
Hofstra-Champs

The only semi impressive tournament there was the National draw and ALL the good teams stopped going to that one years ago. This is by design, if this club tried to attend all the tough tournaments you would have nothing to feel good about. You are the perfect example of why they go to weak tournaments.

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Please Mr Troll......tell us what team you root for and what top notch tournaments did you attend since you have determined which tournaments are elite. Are you the college horseshoe player. remember....only the facts on BOTC

If we are just talking facts here at BOTC, the fact is that TG is now a B level club. As far as elite tournaments, there are plenty, and TG doesn't come to any of them. Why aren't they at Lax for the Cure? Summer Genesis? G8? Mid-Atlantic Club Championships?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking for feedback on 2021 Black. Heard that 7 girls from last year's roster aren't returning (at least 2 going to YJA). How is the coaching?

TG 2021 Black wasn't all that good last year. If they have lost 7 players then that will certainly not help them.

==========================================================

Funny stuff....So first they lost 2 players , then 5, then 7 now 10.
Just for record to bring some FACTS to conversation.

Beat every team on LI except YJ who they haven't had opportunity to play. Did lose to Liberty at Hofstra

results from summer 2016 season

National draw-4-0
The Grind-Champs
Best of Beach-Champs
Hofstra-Champs

The only semi impressive tournament there was the National draw and ALL the good teams stopped going to that one years ago. This is by design, if this club tried to attend all the tough tournaments you would have nothing to feel good about. You are the perfect example of why they go to weak tournaments.

===================================================

Please Mr Troll......tell us what team you root for and what top notch tournaments did you attend since you have determined which tournaments are elite. Are you the college horseshoe player. remember....only the facts on BOTC

If we are just talking facts here at BOTC, the fact is that TG is now a B level club. As far as elite tournaments, there are plenty, and TG doesn't come to any of them. Why aren't they at Lax for the Cure? Summer Genesis? G8? Mid-Atlantic Club Championships?

The part that you're leaving out is that many of the YJ teams who attended these "A" level tournaments were in way over their head and got there buts handed to them. I guess YJ has become B level now also if we go by your logic. 2024,2023, 2022 Do we need to go over the beatdowns they took? Hek, the 2023 team could barely get by Igloo here on LI!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Reality is that only top two players going to yj a will be missed ..other five that are leaving can be upgraded with players from purple ...this team will be fine ..

Funny how when folks leave for other clubs the people that stay are so quick to throw them under the bus! Sounds like you might just be a bit insecure and if the rest of the parents have the same attitude who can blame them for leaving. It's a sad day when 7 people walk away from a top team and if as you say can be easily be replaced by B kids really doesn't say much about the overall quality of the program.

No one is throwing anyone under the bus ..the point was that after the top two that left the next 5 played limited minutes and could be replaced by the top 5 hard working b players ...I don't think anyone can argue that point ...and if all the weak torny posts are correct the team will be fine ..most clubs should be ok swapping out bottom 5 from top team with top 5 from bottom team ..

How can you judge the quality of amy program from only one team at one age level? TG younger programs are very strong, especially at 2022 and 2023. Ignorant folks make false claims about the demise of TG. If so, then wouldn't the younger teams be weak and have low tryout numbers? Not the case. Compared to all of the other Long Island teams other than YJ, TG has made the case to be the "second best" team at these age levels simply because they beat the other teams from Long Island. 2022 didn't play YJ head to head, but 2023 beat YJ at Shamrock Shootout (for what that tournament in March is worth). The focus should be on the program, not one age level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How can you judge the quality of amy program from only one team at one age level? TG younger programs are very strong, especially at 2022 and 2023. Ignorant folks make false claims about the demise of TG. If so, then wouldn't the younger teams be weak and have low tryout numbers? Not the case. Compared to all of the other Long Island teams other than YJ, TG has made the case to be the "second best" team at these age levels simply because they beat the other teams from Long Island. 2022 didn't play YJ head to head, but 2023 beat YJ at Shamrock Shootout (for what that tournament in March is worth). The focus should be on the program, not one age level.

The problem is, whatever talent there is on TG at those ages will be on YJ by the time they get to 8th grade and usually sooner than that

Looking for feedback from those who left YJ B and went to TG black ... Good decision? Happy? (YJ and TG haters need not reply). I want to hear from someone who made this particular jump.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking for feedback from those who left YJ B and went to TG black ... Good decision? Happy? (YJ and TG haters need not reply). I want to hear from someone who made this particular jump.

I haven't made this particular jump, however I have been researching TG. It is important to learn about your particular year and about the coaches if possible. There are forums for all the girls tryouts by year and you should scan them to see what you can find out.

Nobody left Jones to go to TG black. Girls left for elevate and legacy

As far as I know ..no one has ever come from jacket b to tg black ..one girl came from gold to black last year ..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How can you judge the quality of amy program from only one team at one age level? TG younger programs are very strong, especially at 2022 and 2023. Ignorant folks make false claims about the demise of TG. If so, then wouldn't the younger teams be weak and have low tryout numbers? Not the case. Compared to all of the other Long Island teams other than YJ, TG has made the case to be the "second best" team at these age levels simply because they beat the other teams from Long Island. 2022 didn't play YJ head to head, but 2023 beat YJ at Shamrock Shootout (for what that tournament in March is worth). The focus should be on the program, not one age level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How can you judge the quality of amy program from only one team at one age level? TG younger programs are very strong, especially at 2022 and 2023. Ignorant folks make false claims about the demise of TG. If so, then wouldn't the younger teams be weak and have low tryout numbers? Not the case. Compared to all of the other Long Island teams other than YJ, TG has made the case to be the "second best" team at these age levels simply because they beat the other teams from Long Island. 2022 didn't play YJ head to head, but 2023 beat YJ at Shamrock Shootout (for what that tournament in March is worth). The focus should be on the program, not one age level.

The problem is, whatever talent there is on TG at those ages will be on YJ by the time they get to 8th grade and usually sooner than that

Exactly. The problem with TG is they can't hold on to their talent for whatever the reason. The good players leave the second they get to recruiting age. It has been happening for 4 years now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody left Jones to go to TG black. Girls left for elevate and legacy

Jones would beat Tg black easily at this point. TG has 1-2 players and a goalie that would be able to make a true "A" club team. the teams newest editions are YJ 3-4 team, Beach Bums, Wave, Express and tg purple, is there anything else to say? there's a reason more kids didn't move when the exodus started - they weren't invited. at this point the majority of the team wouldn't be making Jones team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody left Jones to go to TG black. Girls left for elevate and legacy

Jones would beat Tg black easily at this point. TG has 1-2 players and a goalie that would be able to make a true "A" club team. the teams newest editions are YJ 3-4 team, Beach Bums, Wave, Express and tg purple, is there anything else to say? there's a reason more kids didn't move when the exodus started - they weren't invited. at this point the majority of the team wouldn't be making Jones team

You are correct, It's also quite puzzling why anyone on Jones would even think of leaving to go to Leg or Elevate. Leg definitely not competitive with any of the good A programs. on LI or Maryland. Not with all the B level talent on any of the teams. Leg is similar to the Equate brand at Walmart, all Fluff no quality.

Legacy would beat Jones with ease

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody left Jones to go to TG black. Girls left for elevate and legacy

Jones would beat Tg black easily at this point. TG has 1-2 players and a goalie that would be able to make a true "A" club team. the teams newest editions are YJ 3-4 team, Beach Bums, Wave, Express and tg purple, is there anything else to say? there's a reason more kids didn't move when the exodus started - they weren't invited. at this point the majority of the team wouldn't be making Jones team

You are correct, It's also quite puzzling why anyone on Jones would even think of leaving to go to Leg or Elevate. Leg definitely not competitive with any of the good A programs. on LI or Maryland. Not with all the B level talent on any of the teams. Leg is similar to the Equate brand at Walmart, all Fluff no quality.

Kind of like your daughter? Why don't you worry about your own situation and stop putting other clubs down. Your daughter is probably hanging on by a string, because the best kids parents don't incessantly brag and belittle others. Girls have all kinds of reasons for picking the teams they do. Give it a rest, I for one am sick of reading your posts!

I initially found it odd that girls who played top guns for years would leave during recruiting years. Until my daughter came up to the age where you attend so called recruiting tournaments, it must be very difficult as a director of any club constantly being harassed by parents. They can barely walk the practice or tournament field without being followed and tracked down. Unfortunately top guns caves to the pressure. The last two years I've clearl seen BS and SS promote certain girls not based on skills at the tournaments but by how badly their parents harass them.

Ive seen BS walk over during tournaments stand in front of the coaches and totally push some of the weaker players of the parents who harass him. I've seen good players leave and join YJ and find a spot because of CR.

I think top guns runs good program but need a backbone to deal with some of the parents, which CR seems to have

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody left Jones to go to TG black. Girls left for elevate and legacy

Jones would beat Tg black easily at this point. TG has 1-2 players and a goalie that would be able to make a true "A" club team. the teams newest editions are YJ 3-4 team, Beach Bums, Wave, Express and tg purple, is there anything else to say? there's a reason more kids didn't move when the exodus started - they weren't invited. at this point the majority of the team wouldn't be making Jones team

You are correct, It's also quite puzzling why anyone on Jones would even think of leaving to go to Leg or Elevate. Leg definitely not competitive with any of the good A programs. on LI or Maryland. Not with all the B level talent on any of the teams. Leg is similar to the Equate brand at Walmart, all Fluff no quality.

Sounds like someone is still upset that the best girls from Jones team left a couple of years ago. Jones' parents know that they are non competitve now. Would probably be a good game if they played TG purple.

Emails go out and there's no crying on this site. Amazing

Nobody cares the 2020 black used to be great and are now irrelevant. M

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody cares the 2020 black used to be great and are now irrelevant. M

Obviously you care.... You just can't let it go.

Sorry but 3020 TG black is all smoke and mirrors at this point . They have not beaten a descent team in years . The only descent player other than the goalie was hurt this past summer . Did any of the remaining kids play varsity other than the previously mentioned hurt kid .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody cares the 2020 black used to be great and are now irrelevant. M

I think it's you who is irrelevant! Please stop embarrassing yourself, it's getting old!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Emails go out and there's no crying on this site. Amazing

How many teams for 2023! They had enough at tryouts for at least 3 even after cutting many. Curious whether they stuck with 2 teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but 3020 TG black is all smoke and mirrors at this point . They have not beaten a descent team in years . The only descent player other than the goalie was hurt this past summer . Did any of the remaining kids play varsity other than the previously mentioned hurt kid .

Who cares, Varsity in one district could be JV in another.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but 3020 TG black is all smoke and mirrors at this point . They have not beaten a descent team in years . The only descent player other than the goalie was hurt this past summer . Did any of the remaining kids play varsity other than the previously mentioned hurt kid .

West Hampton strikes again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but 3020 TG black is all smoke and mirrors at this point . They have not beaten a descent team in years . The only descent player other than the goalie was hurt this past summer . Did any of the remaining kids play varsity other than the previously mentioned hurt kid .

Who cares, Varsity in one district could be JV in another.

Please tell me the Suffolk high school where Varsity in one district would be JV in another . You will not because you know it's just not the case . The good news is some of these TG kids will go to big time lax schools in the 2020 age group but none are the top of the age group .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but 3020 TG black is all smoke and mirrors at this point . They have not beaten a descent team in years . The only descent player other than the goalie was hurt this past summer . Did any of the remaining kids play varsity other than the previously mentioned hurt kid .

Who cares, Varsity in one district could be JV in another.

Please tell me the Suffolk high school where Varsity in one district would be JV in another . You will not because you know it's just not the case . The good news is some of these TG kids will go to big time lax schools in the 2020 age group but none are the top of the age group .

It is easier in many small schools to make varsity when than in schools where enrollment is large.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but 3020 TG black is all smoke and mirrors at this point . They have not beaten a descent team in years . The only descent player other than the goalie was hurt this past summer . Did any of the remaining kids play varsity other than the previously mentioned hurt kid .

Who cares, Varsity in one district could be JV in another.

Please tell me the Suffolk high school where Varsity in one district would be JV in another . You will not because you know it's just not the case . The good news is some of these TG kids will go to big time lax schools in the 2020 age group but none are the top of the age group .

At least 5 others played varsity for different districts.
It is easier in many small schools to make varsity when than in schools where enrollment is large.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but 3020 TG black is all smoke and mirrors at this point . They have not beaten a descent team in years . The only descent player other than the goalie was hurt this past summer . Did any of the remaining kids play varsity other than the previously mentioned hurt kid .

Who cares, Varsity in one district could be JV in another.

Please tell me the Suffolk high school where Varsity in one district would be JV in another . You will not because you know it's just not the case . The good news is some of these TG kids will go to big time lax schools in the 2020 age group but none are the top of the age group .

Any district with a decent program. If you have a good feeder pal program and have enough girls you don't need an 8th grader on varsity. West islip had only one freshman on varsity last yr and pulled 2 2020s to jv. Only districts that need the bodies will pull up. That simple

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but 3020 TG black is all smoke and mirrors at this point . They have not beaten a descent team in years . The only descent player other than the goalie was hurt this past summer . Did any of the remaining kids play varsity other than the previously mentioned hurt kid .

Who cares, Varsity in one district could be JV in another.

Please tell me the Suffolk high school where Varsity in one district would be JV in another . You will not because you know it's just not the case . The good news is some of these TG kids will go to big time lax schools in the 2020 age group but none are the top of the age group .

brentwood, coupauge, pat med, riverhead, deer park, walt whitman, ...... just a few varsity teams that are JV in comparison to north port, esm, mt s., bbp, wi,

What about Massapequa? Their two 8th graders were an integral part of their varsity team's success last year including playoffs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If my daughter was scrimmaging with the TG Black girls at the end of the tryout, does that mean she probably made the Black team? Looked like about 24 girls in that group. TIA

Yes, that is a good indication that she will end up on that team

Nope - she made the Purple team. I guess we aren't from the right town. TG not immune to the cesspool that is girls lacrosse on LI.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If my daughter was scrimmaging with the TG Black girls at the end of the tryout, does that mean she probably made the Black team? Looked like about 24 girls in that group. TIA

Yes, that is a good indication that she will end up on that team

Nope - she made the Purple team. I guess we aren't from the right town. TG not immune to the cesspool that is girls lacrosse on LI.

Or the other girls were better. Lol I love when parents think their kids are better than they actually are

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If my daughter was scrimmaging with the TG Black girls at the end of the tryout, does that mean she probably made the Black team? Looked like about 24 girls in that group. TIA

Yes, that is a good indication that she will end up on that team

Nope - she made the Purple team. I guess we aren't from the right town. TG not immune to the cesspool that is girls lacrosse on LI.

Well if you go tryout at another club and you make the A team then TG got it wrong. If you go and make the B team I would st they got it correct.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If my daughter was scrimmaging with the TG Black girls at the end of the tryout, does that mean she probably made the Black team? Looked like about 24 girls in that group. TIA

Yes, that is a good indication that she will end up on that team

Nope - she made the Purple team. I guess we aren't from the right town. TG not immune to the cesspool that is girls lacrosse on LI.

Sorry to hear but maybe it wasn't about being from the 'right town" and maybe more about ability?

Depends which team? If she scrimmaged with TG black at the end of the tryout then she would also rank on the bottom of the YJ B team or Liberty A team. She would probably make the A team of Leg, Elevate, Express, Icon, or Igloo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Depends which team? If she scrimmaged with TG black at the end of the tryout then she would also rank on the bottom of the YJ B team or Liberty A team. She would probably make the A team of Leg, Elevate, Express, Icon, or Igloo.

That's funny! I'm not sure which age group you are referring to, but YJ A teams have been beaten by TG, in the 2023 age group

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Depends which team? If she scrimmaged with TG black at the end of the tryout then she would also rank on the bottom of the YJ B team or Liberty A team. She would probably make the A team of Leg, Elevate, Express, Icon, or Igloo.

That's hilarious. Tg black is not yj b bottom. You yj people need to get a life and stay on your own thread

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about Massapequa? Their two 8th graders were an integral part of their varsity team's success last year including playoffs.

the original post asked for Suffolk schools not Nassau. Nassau A is very weak including F-dale and 'pequa, and need help from any age group they can get. there are 115 girls lax programs on L.I., but in reality only in Nassau, and 14 or 15 in suffolk really stand a chance to get off the Island for the states, in comparison to those 18 or 19 teams everyone els is J.V. Now thats not to say that there are not extremely talented girls on any or every team, just that with few exceptions every H.S. team needs to bring up girls from younger grades that are talented to fill out the rosters. Even E.S.M. needs to to it. The truly elite teams and coaches do not fit that bill ( W.I. 'set G.C. ) because of the popularity of the sport. or size of the school. But to answer the original poster most of the time if a 7th 8th or even 9th grader makes a h.s roster its because of 1 of 2 reasons, she is exceptionally talented, but that is very rare, or because of political connections/ whinny parents. to bring up 'pequa and there M.S. girls should have embarrassed the district as a whole, there was no way any nassau A team was beating the Suffolk A's. There is a very bad talent drought happening in Nassau A

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If my daughter was scrimmaging with the TG Black girls at the end of the tryout, does that mean she probably made the Black team? Looked like about 24 girls in that group. TIA

Yes, that is a good indication that she will end up on that team

Nope - she made the Purple team. I guess we aren't from the right town. TG not immune to the cesspool that is girls lacrosse on LI.

Sorry to hear but maybe it wasn't about being from the 'right town" and maybe more about ability?

I really doubt that it had nothing to do with being from the roght town. the smiths are just as bad as anyother club with there politics, if not worse. I think your kid is screwed either way. If you plan to stay within Suffolk just get on any A team for this year and have your daughter write every coach under the sun, they really don't care what pinnie she wares, just that she can fill there need. and next year try looking west. Just be realistic with your daughters talent level, and try for schools that she will like and fit in to. Girls from every club get committed to schools, don't fall into the club hype

Honest question, so please no haters or bashers.
Based on the above response that his kid would make A on the teams listed is that a better option than TG purple? Is TG purple considered equal to those club A teams or is a move to one of those teams A teams a better option in terms of exposure in the very near future for these 2021 girls. At the end of the day, all these clubs are $$ and if your kid isn't necessarily the next SS, but is a quality strong player, it gets tough to figure out. Any advice perhaps of someone that went through this with an older daughter that was at the top of the B team but didn't make the A team would be appreciated. Thank you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If my daughter was scrimmaging with the TG Black girls at the end of the tryout, does that mean she probably made the Black team? Looked like about 24 girls in that group. TIA

Yes, that is a good indication that she will end up on that team

Nope - she made the Purple team. I guess we aren't from the right town. TG not immune to the cesspool that is girls lacrosse on LI.

Sorry to hear but maybe it wasn't about being from the 'right town" and maybe more about ability?

Plenty of all county girls got stuck on purple because they weren't from the right town.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Depends which team? If she scrimmaged with TG black at the end of the tryout then she would also rank on the bottom of the YJ B team or Liberty A team. She would probably make the A team of Leg, Elevate, Express, Icon, or Igloo.

Bottom of YJ B are you freaking delusional? YJ B couldn't beat any of the teams you mentioned above on their best day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honest question, so please no haters or bashers.
Based on the above response that his kid would make A on the teams listed is that a better option than TG purple? Is TG purple considered equal to those club A teams or is a move to one of those teams A teams a better option in terms of exposure in the very near future for these 2021 girls. At the end of the day, all these clubs are $$ and if your kid isn't necessarily the next SS, but is a quality strong player, it gets tough to figure out. Any advice perhaps of someone that went through this with an older daughter that was at the top of the B team but didn't make the A team would be appreciated. Thank you

Speaking in reference to the 2018 purple team. They were not better than title 9, LI Express or Li wave. This team has received no guidance from SS. BS "helped" in a few tournaments with little success. I would recommend looking elsewhere. If your daughter is not the " go to goal" type than she is of no use to TG. Outside of about 4 or 5 girls, you're on your own for recruiting. I'm not hating as you call it, I'm just stating facts. My daughter is already committed, no thanks to anyone in the TG organization. I'm just glad she has 1 summer left,

Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Honest question, so please no haters or bashers.
Based on the above response that his kid would make A on the teams listed is that a better option than TG purple? Is TG purple considered equal to those club A teams or is a move to one of those teams A teams a better option in terms of exposure in the very near future for these 2021 girls. At the end of the day, all these clubs are $$ and if your kid isn't necessarily the next SS, but is a quality strong player, it gets tough to figure out. Any advice perhaps of someone that went through this with an older daughter that was at the top of the B team but didn't make the A team would be appreciated. Thank you

Speaking in reference to the 2018 purple team. They were not better than title 9, LI Express or Li wave. This team has received no guidance from SS. BS "helped" in a few tournaments with little success. I would recommend looking elsewhere. If your daughter is not the " go to goal" type than she is of no use to TG. Outside of about 4 or 5 girls, you're on your own for recruiting. I'm not hating as you call it, I'm just stating facts. My daughter is already committed, no thanks to anyone in the TG organization. I'm just glad she has 1 summer left,

Thank you for your reply and your honesty. It is helpful to hear from someone who has walked the path before me. I had a feeling and you have helped confirm what I thought. Best of luck to your daughter and I am glad it worked out for her in the end!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honest question, so please no haters or bashers.
Based on the above response that his kid would make A on the teams listed is that a better option than TG purple? Is TG purple considered equal to those club A teams or is a move to one of those teams A teams a better option in terms of exposure in the very near future for these 2021 girls. At the end of the day, all these clubs are $$ and if your kid isn't necessarily the next SS, but is a quality strong player, it gets tough to figure out. Any advice perhaps of someone that went through this with an older daughter that was at the top of the B team but didn't make the A team would be appreciated. Thank you

TG black or purple have limited exposure. SS has such a conflict of interest when it comes to recruiting and talking to coaches on their behalf. A club should help you get recruited, but as of recently (last three years) that isn't happening and girls are even leaving the top team to play for a YJ b team in some cases (2018 comes to Mind). Now the younger girls with talent to play somewhere other than Hofstra (2020 and 2021) are all leaving for YJ and other options.

Tg 2021 black offered spots to yj c team ..te b ...Liberty b ...team players ..they will have a hard time competing with Liberty a ..elevate a ..express a ...jacket b ....

Totally agree. SS has been awful to the 2018 purple team. She could care less barely acknowledging them at tryouts. YJ and cr were a good move for the girls who left in 2015.

SS at her own camp when she was there spent more time under her tent scroll on her phone. She used to be into the TG girls and now seems disinterested. I can't imagine how she would be with college coaches inquiring about players. Do you want to trust your daughters future with her and BS?

Having a daughter of recruiting age I will say this. Black definitely gets preferential treatment most days. However any time I have asked bs to contact a school regarding a clinic etc he has done so. Has forwarded emails from schools that saw my daughter play. Everything else is up to the player and/or parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honest question, so please no haters or bashers.
Based on the above response that his kid would make A on the teams listed is that a better option than TG purple? Is TG purple considered equal to those club A teams or is a move to one of those teams A teams a better option in terms of exposure in the very near future for these 2021 girls. At the end of the day, all these clubs are $$ and if your kid isn't necessarily the next SS, but is a quality strong player, it gets tough to figure out. Any advice perhaps of someone that went through this with an older daughter that was at the top of the B team but didn't make the A team would be appreciated. Thank you

TG black or purple have limited exposure. SS has such a conflict of interest when it comes to recruiting and talking to coaches on their behalf. A club should help you get recruited, but as of recently (last three years) that isn't happening and girls are even leaving the top team to play for a YJ b team in some cases (2018 comes to Mind). Now the younger girls with talent to play somewhere other than Hofstra (2020 and 2021) are all leaving for YJ and other options.

Sounds like your daughter did a lot of bench warming for TG, I feel bad for you, but spewing nonsense really makes you look pathetic! Glad you are happy on YJ B/C who can't beat any quality teams. You love to put down SS, so I suppose CR is actively getting her B/C girls recruited to quality schools? Give me a break! Maybe your daughter just needs to work harder! I hear YJ has some clinics coming up, if you attend, you'll have a guaranteed spot on the c team!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tg 2021 black offered spots to yj c team ..te b ...Liberty b ...team players ..they will have a hard time competing with Liberty a ..elevate a ..express a ...jacket b ....

The te a girls who showed up weren't offered spots?

Same thing has happened at this age last 3 yrs ..top two kids leave ..which causes next 7 or 8 to try and follow .. Opens up half the team and bs brings in B players or un happy A team players from lower clubs that tg has defeated over last couple years ...team will move on playing weak teams and will still win but by a much smaller margin and parents will be happy ....except for the few that waited to long to move they will jump at ninth grade go to yjB team to make that last attempt at recruiting ...There will always be kids to fill the open spots on Tg teams ...but when do you ever hear of wow that stud player just made the move to Tg ...never !!! ...it's always hey that stud player left Tg must be Cr trying to ruin club ...please it's just the best players tend to gravitate towards each other ..They help each other grow to next level ...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same thing has happened at this age last 3 yrs ..top two kids leave ..which causes next 7 or 8 to try and follow .. Opens up half the team and bs brings in B players or un happy A team players from lower clubs that tg has defeated over last couple years ...team will move on playing weak teams and will still win but by a much smaller margin and parents will be happy ....except for the few that waited to long to move they will jump at ninth grade go to yjB team to make that last attempt at recruiting ...There will always be kids to fill the open spots on Tg teams ...but when do you ever hear of wow that stud player just made the move to Tg ...never !!! ...it's always hey that stud player left Tg must be Cr trying to ruin club ...please it's just the best players tend to gravitate towards each other ..They help each other grow to next level ...

Only problem with your story is that it's not the top kids leaving for YJ b, a mediocre team who doesn't beat any quality teams, it's the girls unhappy that they're not playing enough so they are taking a step backwards with the hopes of moving up in the YJ org, which is highly unlikely since they weren't that good to begin with

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honest question, so please no haters or bashers.
Based on the above response that his kid would make A on the teams listed is that a better option than TG purple? Is TG purple considered equal to those club A teams or is a move to one of those teams A teams a better option in terms of exposure in the very near future for these 2021 girls. At the end of the day, all these clubs are $$ and if your kid isn't necessarily the next SS, but is a quality strong player, it gets tough to figure out. Any advice perhaps of someone that went through this with an older daughter that was at the top of the B team but didn't make the A team would be appreciated. Thank you

TG black or purple have limited exposure. SS has such a conflict of interest when it comes to recruiting and talking to coaches on their behalf. A club should help you get recruited, but as of recently (last three years) that isn't happening and girls are even leaving the top team to play for a YJ b team in some cases (2018 comes to Mind). Now the younger girls with talent to play somewhere other than Hofstra (2020 and 2021) are all leaving for YJ and other options.

Sounds like your daughter did a lot of bench warming for TG, I feel bad for you, but spewing nonsense really makes you look pathetic! Glad you are happy on YJ B/C who can't beat any quality teams. You love to put down SS, so I suppose CR is actively getting her B/C girls recruited to quality schools? Give me a break! Maybe your daughter just needs to work harder! I hear YJ has some clinics coming up, if you attend, you'll have a guaranteed spot on the c team!

Actually of the 4 girls who went to YJ B from TG, they all have had D1 contact starting the fall after they left TG and 3 of them are committed to D1 schools. Previous when they werewith TG they had no college contact. All they heard is "don't worry it will take care of itself" from BS. After 1st YJ fall tourn one girl had 3 contacts. Definetly not bench warmers.

If you are a stud player, TG will play you more than others. Why would you leave to go to YJ where you won't play as much? How does moving have a greater impact on recruiting? If you're good, you will get noticed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same thing has happened at this age last 3 yrs ..top two kids leave ..which causes next 7 or 8 to try and follow .. Opens up half the team and bs brings in B players or un happy A team players from lower clubs that tg has defeated over last couple years ...team will move on playing weak teams and will still win but by a much smaller margin and parents will be happy ....except for the few that waited to long to move they will jump at ninth grade go to yjB team to make that last attempt at recruiting ...There will always be kids to fill the open spots on Tg teams ...but when do you ever hear of wow that stud player just made the move to Tg ...never !!! ...it's always hey that stud player left Tg must be Cr trying to ruin club ...please it's just the best players tend to gravitate towards each other ..They help each other grow to next level ...

.

Parents come on here fighting the fight to support the TG teams, nearly all the top players make the switch that can if they are up to the task talent wise. Then the sobering years come, and they realize that fighting the fight was they wrong move. I know many parents kicking themselves in the [lacrosse] in the older age groups. But some were never up to task to make switch and some were lucky to even have a spot on a black team, so staying may be the best option for some.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honest question, so please no haters or bashers.
Based on the above response that his kid would make A on the teams listed is that a better option than TG purple? Is TG purple considered equal to those club A teams or is a move to one of those teams A teams a better option in terms of exposure in the very near future for these 2021 girls. At the end of the day, all these clubs are $$ and if your kid isn't necessarily the next SS, but is a quality strong player, it gets tough to figure out. Any advice perhaps of someone that went through this with an older daughter that was at the top of the B team but didn't make the A team would be appreciated. Thank you

TG black or purple have limited exposure. SS has such a conflict of interest when it comes to recruiting and talking to coaches on their behalf. A club should help you get recruited, but as of recently (last three years) that isn't happening and girls are even leaving the top team to play for a YJ b team in some cases (2018 comes to Mind). Now the younger girls with talent to play somewhere other than Hofstra (2020 and 2021) are all leaving for YJ and other options.

Sounds like your daughter did a lot of bench warming for TG, I feel bad for you, but spewing nonsense really makes you look pathetic! Glad you are happy on YJ B/C who can't beat any quality teams. You love to put down SS, so I suppose CR is actively getting her B/C girls recruited to quality schools? Give me a break! Maybe your daughter just needs to work harder! I hear YJ has some clinics coming up, if you attend, you'll have a guaranteed spot on the c team!

Actually of the 4 girls who went to YJ B from TG, they all have had D1 contact starting the fall after they left TG and 3 of them are committed to D1 schools. Previous when they werewith TG they had no college contact. All they heard is "don't worry it will take care of itself" from BS. After 1st YJ fall tourn one girl had 3 contacts. Definetly not bench warmers.

There are huge differences in D1 schools! None of those girls are going to schools to brag about, but good for them, luckily there are a lot of spots out there, and a good fit for most players wanting to play at the next level

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are a stud player, TG will play you more than others. Why would you leave to go to YJ where you won't play as much? How does moving have a greater impact on recruiting? If you're good, you will get noticed.

Exactly! Theses are sour grapes from a parent wearing rose colored glasses when it comes to their daughter, blame everyone but yourself mentality

A stud player isn't the kid who just goes to goal over and over ..it's the player who does it all ..doesn't matter if you play the whole game if your not playing with other kids that are on the same page or skill level then you can't showcase all your skills ..that's why better players make each other better ...it's not a competion but a team effort ..the parents that can't understand that are what ruin youth sports ...half the playing time but making great lax plays is better than playing whole game and making that rope pass that can't be caught or that great cut move never to receive ..kids need to accept the team concept

Take a look at the different clubs commitment pages, that might help.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honest question, so please no haters or bashers.
Based on the above response that his kid would make A on the teams listed is that a better option than TG purple? Is TG purple considered equal to those club A teams or is a move to one of those teams A teams a better option in terms of exposure in the very near future for these 2021 girls. At the end of the day, all these clubs are $$ and if your kid isn't necessarily the next SS, but is a quality strong player, it gets tough to figure out. Any advice perhaps of someone that went through this with an older daughter that was at the top of the B team but didn't make the A team would be appreciated. Thank you

TG black or purple have limited exposure. SS has such a conflict of interest when it comes to recruiting and talking to coaches on their behalf. A club should help you get recruited, but as of recently (last three years) that isn't happening and girls are even leaving the top team to play for a YJ b team in some cases (2018 comes to Mind). Now the younger girls with talent to play somewhere other than Hofstra (2020 and 2021) are all leaving for YJ and other options.

Sounds like your daughter did a lot of bench warming for TG, I feel bad for you, but spewing nonsense really makes you look pathetic! Glad you are happy on YJ B/C who can't beat any quality teams. You love to put down SS, so I suppose CR is actively getting her B/C girls recruited to quality schools? Give me a break! Maybe your daughter just needs to work harder! I hear YJ has some clinics coming up, if you attend, you'll have a guaranteed spot on the c team!

Actually of the 4 girls who went to YJ B from TG, they all have had D1 contact starting the fall after they left TG and 3 of them are committed to D1 schools. Previous when they werewith TG they had no college contact. All they heard is "don't worry it will take care of itself" from BS. After 1st YJ fall tourn one girl had 3 contacts. Definetly not bench warmers.

Take a look at the A teams for YJ for 2018, 19 and 20. They are littered with TG players. Best girls on 2018 and 2020 left because of stupidity on the part of TG.

Many 2017s left over the last 3 years and many wish they did. All who left were recruited while some who stayed were not. Others who stayed (like myself) were given ZERO help. My daughters emails went unanswered and the final insult was a hasty phone call which BS said he would return but hasn't. My daughter is a 4 year varsity starter in high school and is quick and tough. Every single thing she did was on her own recruit wise- the little things she didn't know she had to figure out on her own. I'm glad it's over, and do not recommend this club to anybody. My daughter is a great student and will play at all he next level but wanted to stay closer to home, however it wasn't an option at the D1 level. Probably should have given D2 more thought in hindsight. I believe God sets our paths and hope to his is the one he chose for her but already feel we should have done more research. TG does not encourage team bonding and some girls dismiss others once they are recruited. Would not do it all over again or recommend it. Good luck to those who have not been recruited yet, there are still some very good D 3 schools looking for talent.

A stud player can do it all .not just go to goal ...in order to showcase your skills you need to play with players that have similar talent ..quality mins over quantity mins ...also win or lose its always better to play against md teams ( top in country ) and participate in fall recruiting events that these teams go too ... Tg just doesn't do this ..it's fine for most but top players are always looking for more

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A stud player can do it all .not just go to goal ...in order to showcase your skills you need to play with players that have similar talent ..quality mins over quantity mins ...also win or lose its always better to play against md teams ( top in country ) and participate in fall recruiting events that these teams go too ... Tg just doesn't do this ..it's fine for most but top players are always looking for more

Yup, your daughter keeps getting better playing on YG b/c teams and going to Maryland to get shellacked by Maryland B/c teams. Saw it all summer, hilarious! Don't be to upset though, many of the YJ a teams took serious beatings by the a versions of those same Maryland teams, especially the younger ages . Guess most YJ a teams are really b teams in the grand scheme

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are a stud player, TG will play you more than others. Why would you leave to go to YJ where you won't play as much? How does moving have a greater impact on recruiting? If you're good, you will get noticed.

Doesn't exactly work that way unless you play basketball or football. The top 5% (the fraky good kids) get noticed and recruited by all. But all the other good players have to have contact with the schools they wish to be recruited by and do to recruiting rules that starts in a big part with the club director and/or coach. since TG used college girls to coach and not adults they cannot help in this process. Which leaves it up to SS and BS.

Do you really think she is going to send good kids to other colleges she competes against on a regular basis. They will give you lip service and BS's bull sh*t line the cream rises to the top...... Another lazy excuse. Junk! They are total junk in the recruiting department since SS took over Hofstra. Look at the commitment page and how kids stopped going to top schools since then.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A stud player can do it all .not just go to goal ...in order to showcase your skills you need to play with players that have similar talent ..quality mins over quantity mins ...also win or lose its always better to play against md teams ( top in country ) and participate in fall recruiting events that these teams go too ... Tg just doesn't do this ..it's fine for most but top players are always looking for more

Yup, your daughter keeps getting better playing on YG b/c teams and going to Maryland to get shellacked by Maryland B/c teams. Saw it all summer, hilarious! Don't be to upset though, many of the YJ a teams took serious beatings by the a versions of those same Maryland teams, especially the younger ages . Guess most YJ a teams are really b teams in the grand scheme

So that's why every stud player in 2020 an down has left TG. To play on B teams... lol ... Joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honest question, so please no haters or bashers.
Based on the above response that his kid would make A on the teams listed is that a better option than TG purple? Is TG purple considered equal to those club A teams or is a move to one of those teams A teams a better option in terms of exposure in the very near future for these 2021 girls. At the end of the day, all these clubs are $$ and if your kid isn't necessarily the next SS, but is a quality strong player, it gets tough to figure out. Any advice perhaps of someone that went through this with an older daughter that was at the top of the B team but didn't make the A team would be appreciated. Thank you

TG black or purple have limited exposure. SS has such a conflict of interest when it comes to recruiting and talking to coaches on their behalf. A club should help you get recruited, but as of recently (last three years) that isn't happening and girls are even leaving the top team to play for a YJ b team in some cases (2018 comes to Mind). Now the younger girls with talent to play somewhere other than Hofstra (2020 and 2021) are all leaving for YJ and other options.

Sounds like your daughter did a lot of bench warming for TG, I feel bad for you, but spewing nonsense really makes you look pathetic! Glad you are happy on YJ B/C who can't beat any quality teams. You love to put down SS, so I suppose CR is actively getting her B/C girls recruited to quality schools? Give me a break! Maybe your daughter just needs to work harder! I hear YJ has some clinics coming up, if you attend, you'll have a guaranteed spot on the c team!

Actually of the 4 girls who went to YJ B from TG, they all have had D1 contact starting the fall after they left TG and 3 of them are committed to D1 schools. Previous when they werewith TG they had no college contact. All they heard is "don't worry it will take care of itself" from BS. After 1st YJ fall tourn one girl had 3 contacts. Definetly not bench warmers.

Take a look at the A teams for YJ for 2018, 19 and 20. They are littered with TG players. Best girls on 2018 and 2020 left because of stupidity on the part of TG.

I think "best girls" is a stretch. Girls were of equal talent, just made a smart move to an organization with many connections. BTW they aren't missed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many 2017s left over the last 3 years and many wish they did. All who left were recruited while some who stayed were not. Others who stayed (like myself) were given ZERO help. My daughters emails went unanswered and the final insult was a hasty phone call which BS said he would return but hasn't. My daughter is a 4 year varsity starter in high school and is quick and tough. Every single thing she did was on her own recruit wise- the little things she didn't know she had to figure out on her own. I'm glad it's over, and do not recommend this club to anybody. My daughter is a great student and will play at all he next level but wanted to stay closer to home, however it wasn't an option at the D1 level. Probably should have given D2 more thought in hindsight. I believe God sets our paths and hope to his is the one he chose for her but already feel we should have done more research. TG does not encourage team bonding and some girls dismiss others once they are recruited. Would not do it all over again or recommend it. Good luck to those who have not been recruited yet, there are still some very good D 3 schools looking for talent.

2017 parent here. Not many left over last 3 years from my recollection. Same core group of girls still playing together and had a phenomenal summer together. It is unfortunate that not all players received the help they were looking for and some girls are still uncommitted. It is not over, there is still fall ball. Do you have to do your homework and guide your children...absolutely, you can't leave it all to the owners. Being a 4 year starter on varsity puts very little into perspective, especially when you need to take into account the size of the program and the competitiveness in making the team from the HS they are coming from. It seems you may have a differing evaluation of your daughter's level of play than coaches may have if you are not receiving contact.

The team played at plenty of tournaments over the last couple of years in front of dozens and dozens of coaches. Plenty of opportunity to be noticed. Never thought about leaving the program, it was the right fit for us and worked out very well for my daughter in the end. Good luck to your daughter and I hope she finds her place, however, I will recommend this club to anyone who asks in the future. I guess that is the nature of business (and it is a business), one club works for some but not for others. Just figured I would put a differing opinion out for all to read.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honest question, so please no haters or bashers.
Based on the above response that his kid would make A on the teams listed is that a better option than TG purple? Is TG purple considered equal to those club A teams or is a move to one of those teams A teams a better option in terms of exposure in the very near future for these 2021 girls. At the end of the day, all these clubs are $$ and if your kid isn't necessarily the next SS, but is a quality strong player, it gets tough to figure out. Any advice perhaps of someone that went through this with an older daughter that was at the top of the B team but didn't make the A team would be appreciated. Thank you

TG black or purple have limited exposure. SS has such a conflict of interest when it comes to recruiting and talking to coaches on their behalf. A club should help you get recruited, but as of recently (last three years) that isn't happening and girls are even leaving the top team to play for a YJ b team in some cases (2018 comes to Mind). Now the younger girls with talent to play somewhere other than Hofstra (2020 and 2021) are all leaving for YJ and other options.

Sounds like your daughter did a lot of bench warming for TG, I feel bad for you, but spewing nonsense really makes you look pathetic! Glad you are happy on YJ B/C who can't beat any quality teams. You love to put down SS, so I suppose CR is actively getting her B/C girls recruited to quality schools? Give me a break! Maybe your daughter just needs to work harder! I hear YJ has some clinics coming up, if you attend, you'll have a guaranteed spot on the c team!

Actually of the 4 girls who went to YJ B from TG, they all have had D1 contact starting the fall after they left TG and 3 of them are committed to D1 schools. Previous when they werewith TG they had no college contact. All they heard is "don't worry it will take care of itself" from BS. After 1st YJ fall tourn one girl had 3 contacts. Definetly not bench warmers.

There are huge differences in D1 schools! None of those girls are going to schools to brag about, but good for them, luckily there are a lot of spots out there, and a good fit for most players wanting to play at the next level

UPenn isn't a school to brag about??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many 2017s left over the last 3 years and many wish they did. All who left were recruited while some who stayed were not. Others who stayed (like myself) were given ZERO help. My daughters emails went unanswered and the final insult was a hasty phone call which BS said he would return but hasn't. My daughter is a 4 year varsity starter in high school and is quick and tough. Every single thing she did was on her own recruit wise- the little things she didn't know she had to figure out on her own. I'm glad it's over, and do not recommend this club to anybody. My daughter is a great student and will play at all he next level but wanted to stay closer to home, however it wasn't an option at the D1 level. Probably should have given D2 more thought in hindsight. I believe God sets our paths and hope to his is the one he chose for her but already feel we should have done more research. TG does not encourage team bonding and some girls dismiss others once they are recruited. Would not do it all over again or recommend it. Good luck to those who have not been recruited yet, there are still some very good D 3 schools looking for talent.

2017 parent here. Not many left over last 3 years from my recollection. Same core group of girls still playing together and had a phenomenal summer together. It is unfortunate that not all players received the help they were looking for and some girls are still uncommitted. It is not over, there is still fall ball. Do you have to do your homework and guide your children...absolutely, you can't leave it all to the owners. Being a 4 year starter on varsity puts very little into perspective, especially when you need to take into account the size of the program and the competitiveness in making the team from the HS they are coming from. It seems you may have a differing evaluation of your daughter's level of play than coaches may have if you are not receiving contact.

The team played at plenty of tournaments over the last couple of years in front of dozens and dozens of coaches. Plenty of opportunity to be noticed. Never thought about leaving the program, it was the right fit for us and worked out very well for my daughter in the end. Good luck to your daughter and I hope she finds her place, however, I will recommend this club to anyone who asks in the future. I guess that is the nature of business (and it is a business), one club works for some but not for others. Just figured I would put a differing opinion out for all to read.

At least 10 girls left according to rosters from the last 3 years. Constant rotating coaches and no show from Andrew did not help. There were also girls on purple lusted as players this year who did not play. Retread my post- my daughter found her place, but without any help from the club despite asking for guidance. In Virginia we had to combine teams because players were so checked out by then! Your daughter was given the playing time and attention that every one who paid deserved. Sadly it's the end of the road for some talented players who almost made a move to another club but foolishly stayed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honest question, so please no haters or bashers.
Based on the above response that his kid would make A on the teams listed is that a better option than TG purple? Is TG purple considered equal to those club A teams or is a move to one of those teams A teams a better option in terms of exposure in the very near future for these 2021 girls. At the end of the day, all these clubs are $$ and if your kid isn't necessarily the next SS, but is a quality strong player, it gets tough to figure out. Any advice perhaps of someone that went through this with an older daughter that was at the top of the B team but didn't make the A team would be appreciated. Thank you

TG black or purple have limited exposure. SS has such a conflict of interest when it comes to recruiting and talking to coaches on their behalf. A club should help you get recruited, but as of recently (last three years) that isn't happening and girls are even leaving the top team to play for a YJ b team in some cases (2018 comes to Mind). Now the younger girls with talent to play somewhere other than Hofstra (2020 and 2021) are all leaving for YJ and other options.

Sounds like your daughter did a lot of bench warming for TG, I feel bad for you, but spewing nonsense really makes you look pathetic! Glad you are happy on YJ B/C who can't beat any quality teams. You love to put down SS, so I suppose CR is actively getting her B/C girls recruited to quality schools? Give me a break! Maybe your daughter just needs to work harder! I hear YJ has some clinics coming up, if you attend, you'll have a guaranteed spot on the c team!

Actually of the 4 girls who went to YJ B from TG, they all have had D1 contact starting the fall after they left TG and 3 of them are committed to D1 schools. Previous when they werewith TG they had no college contact. All they heard is "don't worry it will take care of itself" from BS. After 1st YJ fall tourn one girl had 3 contacts. Definetly not bench warmers.

Take a look at the A teams for YJ for 2018, 19 and 20. They are littered with TG players. Best girls on 2018 and 2020 left because of stupidity on the part of TG.

I think "best girls" is a stretch. Girls were of equal talent, just made a smart move to an organization with many connections. BTW they aren't missed.

They aren't missed? You're nuts. SS still calls the sisters going to BC to reconsider. Two girls on 2020 that moved up for the U15 championship were better than anyone on their team that was there already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honest question, so please no haters or bashers.
Based on the above response that his kid would make A on the teams listed is that a better option than TG purple? Is TG purple considered equal to those club A teams or is a move to one of those teams A teams a better option in terms of exposure in the very near future for these 2021 girls. At the end of the day, all these clubs are $$ and if your kid isn't necessarily the next SS, but is a quality strong player, it gets tough to figure out. Any advice perhaps of someone that went through this with an older daughter that was at the top of the B team but didn't make the A team would be appreciated. Thank you

TG black or purple have limited exposure. SS has such a conflict of interest when it comes to recruiting and talking to coaches on their behalf. A club should help you get recruited, but as of recently (last three years) that isn't happening and girls are even leaving the top team to play for a YJ b team in some cases (2018 comes to Mind). Now the younger girls with talent to play somewhere other than Hofstra (2020 and 2021) are all leaving for YJ and other options.

Sounds like your daughter did a lot of bench warming for TG, I feel bad for you, but spewing nonsense really makes you look pathetic! Glad you are happy on YJ B/C who can't beat any quality teams. You love to put down SS, so I suppose CR is actively getting her B/C girls recruited to quality schools? Give me a break! Maybe your daughter just needs to work harder! I hear YJ has some clinics coming up, if you attend, you'll have a guaranteed spot on the c team!

Actually of the 4 girls who went to YJ B from TG, they all have had D1 contact starting the fall after they left TG and 3 of them are committed to D1 schools. Previous when they werewith TG they had no college contact. All they heard is "don't worry it will take care of itself" from BS. After 1st YJ fall tourn one girl had 3 contacts. Definetly not bench warmers.

There are huge differences in D1 schools! None of those girls are going to schools to brag about, but good for them, luckily there are a lot of spots out there, and a good fit for most players wanting to play at the next level

UPenn isn't a school to brag about??

Great school for academics, not lacrosse, no money!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many 2017s left over the last 3 years and many wish they did. All who left were recruited while some who stayed were not. Others who stayed (like myself) were given ZERO help. My daughters emails went unanswered and the final insult was a hasty phone call which BS said he would return but hasn't. My daughter is a 4 year varsity starter in high school and is quick and tough. Every single thing she did was on her own recruit wise- the little things she didn't know she had to figure out on her own. I'm glad it's over, and do not recommend this club to anybody. My daughter is a great student and will play at all he next level but wanted to stay closer to home, however it wasn't an option at the D1 level. Probably should have given D2 more thought in hindsight. I believe God sets our paths and hope to his is the one he chose for her but already feel we should have done more research. TG does not encourage team bonding and some girls dismiss others once they are recruited. Would not do it all over again or recommend it. Good luck to those who have not been recruited yet, there are still some very good D 3 schools looking for talent.

2017 parent here. Not many left over last 3 years from my recollection. Same core group of girls still playing together and had a phenomenal summer together. It is unfortunate that not all players received the help they were looking for and some girls are still uncommitted. It is not over, there is still fall ball. Do you have to do your homework and guide your children...absolutely, you can't leave it all to the owners. Being a 4 year starter on varsity puts very little into perspective, especially when you need to take into account the size of the program and the competitiveness in making the team from the HS they are coming from. It seems you may have a differing evaluation of your daughter's level of play than coaches may have if you are not receiving contact.

The team played at plenty of tournaments over the last couple of years in front of dozens and dozens of coaches. Plenty of opportunity to be noticed. Never thought about leaving the program, it was the right fit for us and worked out very well for my daughter in the end. Good luck to your daughter and I hope she finds her place, however, I will recommend this club to anyone who asks in the future. I guess that is the nature of business (and it is a business), one club works for some but not for others. Just figured I would put a differing opinion out for all to read.

At least 10 girls left according to rosters from the last 3 years. Constant rotating coaches and no show from Andrew did not help. There were also girls on purple lusted as players this year who did not play. Retread my post- my daughter found her place, but without any help from the club despite asking for guidance. In Virginia we had to combine teams because players were so checked out by then! Your daughter was given the playing time and attention that every one who paid deserved. Sadly it's the end of the road for some talented players who almost made a move to another club but foolishly stayed.

This age group had 3 teams 3 years ago. 2 years ago we had the fiasco of one giant roster for purple and a small roster for black after white folded. Many girls decided enough was enough and left. 26 girls committed in 2017 age group according to their website. At least 20 girls still left uncommitted. We left before last season when the game just wasn't fun anymore. My daughter was able to get recruited without their help and didn't miss TG one bit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honest question, so please no haters or bashers.
Based on the above response that his kid would make A on the teams listed is that a better option than TG purple? Is TG purple considered equal to those club A teams or is a move to one of those teams A teams a better option in terms of exposure in the very near future for these 2021 girls. At the end of the day, all these clubs are $$ and if your kid isn't necessarily the next SS, but is a quality strong player, it gets tough to figure out. Any advice perhaps of someone that went through this with an older daughter that was at the top of the B team but didn't make the A team would be appreciated. Thank you

TG black or purple have limited exposure. SS has such a conflict of interest when it comes to recruiting and talking to coaches on their behalf. A club should help you get recruited, but as of recently (last three years) that isn't happening and girls are even leaving the top team to play for a YJ b team in some cases (2018 comes to Mind). Now the younger girls with talent to play somewhere other than Hofstra (2020 and 2021) are all leaving for YJ and other options.

Sounds like your daughter did a lot of bench warming for TG, I feel bad for you, but spewing nonsense really makes you look pathetic! Glad you are happy on YJ B/C who can't beat any quality teams. You love to put down SS, so I suppose CR is actively getting her B/C girls recruited to quality schools? Give me a break! Maybe your daughter just needs to work harder! I hear YJ has some clinics coming up, if you attend, you'll have a guaranteed spot on the c team!

Actually of the 4 girls who went to YJ B from TG, they all have had D1 contact starting the fall after they left TG and 3 of them are committed to D1 schools. Previous when they werewith TG they had no college contact. All they heard is "don't worry it will take care of itself" from BS. After 1st YJ fall tourn one girl had 3 contacts. Definetly not bench warmers.

Take a look at the A teams for YJ for 2018, 19 and 20. They are littered with TG players. Best girls on 2018 and 2020 left because of stupidity on the part of TG.

I think "best girls" is a stretch. Girls were of equal talent, just made a smart move to an organization with many connections. BTW they aren't missed.

By far the best. Look at them now, problem is the smiths don't know how to recognize talent, properly handle talent on and off the field and/or are so lost in space and politics, they can't get out of their own way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many 2017s left over the last 3 years and many wish they did. All who left were recruited while some who stayed were not. Others who stayed (like myself) were given ZERO help. My daughters emails went unanswered and the final insult was a hasty phone call which BS said he would return but hasn't. My daughter is a 4 year varsity starter in high school and is quick and tough. Every single thing she did was on her own recruit wise- the little things she didn't know she had to figure out on her own. I'm glad it's over, and do not recommend this club to anybody. My daughter is a great student and will play at all he next level but wanted to stay closer to home, however it wasn't an option at the D1 level. Probably should have given D2 more thought in hindsight. I believe God sets our paths and hope to his is the one he chose for her but already feel we should have done more research. TG does not encourage team bonding and some girls dismiss others once they are recruited. Would not do it all over again or recommend it. Good luck to those who have not been recruited yet, there are still some very good D 3 schools looking for talent.

2017 parent here. Not many left over last 3 years from my recollection. Same core group of girls still playing together and had a phenomenal summer together. It is unfortunate that not all players received the help they were looking for and some girls are still uncommitted. It is not over, there is still fall ball. Do you have to do your homework and guide your children...absolutely, you can't leave it all to the owners. Being a 4 year starter on varsity puts very little into perspective, especially when you need to take into account the size of the program and the competitiveness in making the team from the HS they are coming from. It seems you may have a differing evaluation of your daughter's level of play than coaches may have if you are not receiving contact.

The team played at plenty of tournaments over the last couple of years in front of dozens and dozens of coaches. Plenty of opportunity to be noticed. Never thought about leaving the program, it was the right fit for us and worked out very well for my daughter in the end. Good luck to your daughter and I hope she finds her place, however, I will recommend this club to anyone who asks in the future. I guess that is the nature of business (and it is a business), one club works for some but not for others. Just figured I would put a differing opinion out for all to read.

At least 10 girls left according to rosters from the last 3 years. Constant rotating coaches and no show from Andrew did not help. There were also girls on purple lusted as players this year who did not play. Retread my post- my daughter found her place, but without any help from the club despite asking for guidance. In Virginia we had to combine teams because players were so checked out by then! Your daughter was given the playing time and attention that every one who paid deserved. Sadly it's the end of the road for some talented players who almost made a move to another club but foolishly stayed.

This age group had 3 teams 3 years ago. 2 years ago we had the fiasco of one giant roster for purple and a small roster for black after white folded. Many girls decided enough was enough and left. 26 girls committed in 2017 age group according to their website. At least 20 girls still left uncommitted. We left before last season when the game just wasn't fun anymore. My daughter was able to get recruited without their help and didn't miss TG one bit.

We also left after the fiasco mentioned above, when it wasn't fun anymore. Our daughter committed to her number one choice after leaving TG. Some players would be better off going to showcases, camps, and prospect days, especially if they have it narrowed down to a few schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honest question, so please no haters or bashers.
Based on the above response that his kid would make A on the teams listed is that a better option than TG purple? Is TG purple considered equal to those club A teams or is a move to one of those teams A teams a better option in terms of exposure in the very near future for these 2021 girls. At the end of the day, all these clubs are $$ and if your kid isn't necessarily the next SS, but is a quality strong player, it gets tough to figure out. Any advice perhaps of someone that went through this with an older daughter that was at the top of the B team but didn't make the A team would be appreciated. Thank you

TG black or purple have limited exposure. SS has such a conflict of interest when it comes to recruiting and talking to coaches on their behalf. A club should help you get recruited, but as of recently (last three years) that isn't happening and girls are even leaving the top team to play for a YJ b team in some cases (2018 comes to Mind). Now the younger girls with talent to play somewhere other than Hofstra (2020 and 2021) are all leaving for YJ and other options.

Sounds like your daughter did a lot of bench warming for TG, I feel bad for you, but spewing nonsense really makes you look pathetic! Glad you are happy on YJ B/C who can't beat any quality teams. You love to put down SS, so I suppose CR is actively getting her B/C girls recruited to quality schools? Give me a break! Maybe your daughter just needs to work harder! I hear YJ has some clinics coming up, if you attend, you'll have a guaranteed spot on the c team!

Actually of the 4 girls who went to YJ B from TG, they all have had D1 contact starting the fall after they left TG and 3 of them are committed to D1 schools. Previous when they werewith TG they had no college contact. All they heard is "don't worry it will take care of itself" from BS. After 1st YJ fall tourn one girl had 3 contacts. Definetly not bench warmers.

Take a look at the A teams for YJ for 2018, 19 and 20. They are littered with TG players. Best girls on 2018 and 2020 left because of stupidity on the part of TG.

I think "best girls" is a stretch. Girls were of equal talent, just made a smart move to an organization with many connections. BTW they aren't missed.

Not sure of 2019 age but the top players in the 2020 age left over the last couple years .

Many people overlook the point that their daughter might be happy with the friends on her team. In the end it is about getting better at lacrosse, but team dynamics are important for your daughter, which I believe carry over to the field. I see some teams - LI and MD - that have people whom I'd never want to spend a summer with. If your daughter is playing on a new team, but not having fun, she could burn out. Same goes for staying with the same club.

The camp was a waste of time and all the camp instructors spent more time on their phone then instructing

2021 just improved.

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The camp was a waste of time and all the camp instructors spent more time on their phone then instructing

Yup, total waste

Nice to see some of the 2018 white girls committing before most of the purple girls. Guess white was better than purple like they said.

I wouldn't toot your own horn, it could be some of the girls are willing to attend and play at ANY school and others have more defined goals.

Congratulations to your daughter!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 just improved.

okay. how?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 just improved.

okay. how?

Most teams get better when the top 7 players leave! Now the rest can shine, especially the West Bab players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 just improved.

okay. how?

Purple has a new coach

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 just improved.

okay. how?

Purple has a new coach

Will he bring the dregs of West Islip with him?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 just improved.

okay. how?

Purple has a new coach

and next year they will have another new coach

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 just improved.

okay. how?

Purple has a new coach

Are there any coaches over 20 years old not named smith?

if thats true. then why do so many girls get recruited to so many different schools? Their web site lists all the different school these girls go to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 just improved.

okay. how?

Purple has a new coach

and next year they will have another new coach

And the year after, and the year after....when it comes to coaching there's no comparison to YJ. TG just doesn't get the top coaches, and the best one they had they couldn't keep so he went to Leg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 just improved.

okay. how?

Purple has a new coach

and next year they will have another new coach

And the year after, and the year after....when it comes to coaching there's no comparison to YJ. TG just doesn't get the top coaches, and the best one they had they couldn't keep so he went to Leg

That's so funny! YJ have some of the absolute worst coaches! Daddy coaches whose daughters are terrible, college girls who may be able to play but are terrible caoaches. Ask the parents who drove to Maryland to watch their daughters ride the bench last summer while coaches favorites blew every game. You obviously don't have a clue what your talking about, and are bitter at TG because they didn't get your daughter recruited. Maybe it's because she's not that good and has a whining a-hole parent who thinks anybody actually cares what you say. LLL and L

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 just improved.

okay. how?

Purple has a new coach

so what you meant to say was TG2021 purple got better. A good coach certainly can have a large impact on a team! With all the girls who left the black team, how many purple girls got moved up? Will that be tough for the purple team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

if thats true. then why do so many girls get recruited to so many different schools? Their web site lists all the different school these girls go to.

What does 2019 TG have like 5 commits while other 2019 clubs have over 20

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 just improved.

okay. how?

Purple has a new coach

and next year they will have another new coach

And the year after, and the year after....when it comes to coaching there's no comparison to YJ. TG just doesn't get the top coaches, and the best one they had they couldn't keep so he went to Leg

That's so funny! YJ have some of the absolute worst coaches! Daddy coaches whose daughters are terrible, college girls who may be able to play but are terrible caoaches. Ask the parents who drove to Maryland to watch their daughters ride the bench last summer while coaches favorites blew every game. You obviously don't have a clue what your talking about, and are bitter at TG because they didn't get your daughter recruited. Maybe it's because she's not that good and has a whining a-hole parent who thinks anybody actually cares what you say. LLL and L

Who are the 3 best TG coaches, after SS?

TG is ok if you make black team (in any grade year) otherwise...yikes.

Hands down legacy has best coaching where Director oversees all. All teams have varsity coaches coaching. This winter box lacrosse will be introduced to girls. A7

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2021 just improved.

okay. how?

Purple has a new coach

and next year they will have another new coach

And the year after, and the year after....when it comes to coaching there's no comparison to YJ. TG just doesn't get the top coaches, and the best one they had they couldn't keep so he went to Leg

That's so funny! YJ have some of the absolute worst coaches! Daddy coaches whose daughters are terrible, college girls who may be able to play but are terrible caoaches. Ask the parents who drove to Maryland to watch their daughters ride the bench last summer while coaches favorites blew every game. You obviously don't have a clue what your talking about, and are bitter at TG because they didn't get your daughter recruited. Maybe it's because she's not that good and has a whining a-hole parent who thinks anybody actually cares what you say. LLL and L

Who are the 3 best TG coaches, after SS?

AS, BS

That's so funny! YJ have some of the absolute worst coaches! Daddy coaches whose daughters are terrible, college girls who may be able to play but are terrible caoaches. Ask the parents who drove to Maryland to watch their daughters ride the bench last summer while coaches favorites blew every game. You obviously don't have a clue what your talking about, and are bitter at TG because they didn't get your daughter recruited. Maybe it's because she's not that good and has a whining a-hole parent who thinks anybody actually cares what you say. LLL and L [/quote]

Who are the 3 best TG coaches, after SS?[/quote]

They just got one of the best HS coaches on LI to start coaching for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's so funny! YJ have some of the absolute worst coaches! Daddy coaches whose daughters are terrible, college girls who may be able to play but are terrible caoaches. Ask the parents who drove to Maryland to watch their daughters ride the bench last summer while coaches favorites blew every game. You obviously don't have a clue what your talking about, and are bitter at TG because they didn't get your daughter recruited. Maybe it's because she's not that good and has a whining a-hole parent who thinks anybody actually cares what you say. LLL and L

Who?

Who are the 3 best TG coaches, after SS?[/quote]

They just got one of the best HS coaches on LI to start coaching for them.
[/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG is ok if you make black team (in any grade year) otherwise...yikes.

Same can be said for YJ regardless of what YJ B parents claim.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's so funny! YJ have some of the absolute worst coaches! Daddy coaches whose daughters are terrible, college girls who may be able to play but are terrible caoaches. Ask the parents who drove to Maryland to watch their daughters ride the bench last summer while coaches favorites blew every game. You obviously don't have a clue what your talking about, and are bitter at TG because they didn't get your daughter recruited. Maybe it's because she's not that good and has a whining a-hole parent who thinks anybody actually cares what you say. LLL and L

Who are the 3 best TG coaches, after SS?[/quote]

They just got one of the best HS coaches on LI to start coaching for them.
[/quote]

Yeah, who?

Best part is that the purple will beat black this year, now that they have a much better coach and black lost its goalie.

Black, Your new coach won't be around much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Best part is that the purple will beat black this year, now that they have a much better coach and black lost its goalie.

Black, Your new coach won't be around much.

What age group are you referring to ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's so funny! YJ have some of the absolute worst coaches! Daddy coaches whose daughters are terrible, college girls who may be able to play but are terrible caoaches. Ask the parents who drove to Maryland to watch their daughters ride the bench last summer while coaches favorites blew every game. You obviously don't have a clue what your talking about, and are bitter at TG because they didn't get your daughter recruited. Maybe it's because she's not that good and has a whining a-hole parent who thinks anybody actually cares what you say. LLL and L

Who are the 3 best TG coaches, after SS?

They just got one of the best HS coaches on LI to start coaching for them.
[/quote]

Yeah, who?[/quote]

The WI Varsity coach

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's so funny! YJ have some of the absolute worst coaches! Daddy coaches whose daughters are terrible, college girls who may be able to play but are terrible caoaches. Ask the parents who drove to Maryland to watch their daughters ride the bench last summer while coaches favorites blew every game. You obviously don't have a clue what your talking about, and are bitter at TG because they didn't get your daughter recruited. Maybe it's because she's not that good and has a whining a-hole parent who thinks anybody actually cares what you say. LLL and L

Who are the 3 best TG coaches, after SS?

They just got one of the best HS coaches on LI to start coaching for them.

Yeah, who?[/quote]

The WI Varsity coach [/quote]

Impressive. Hope they treat him well so he stays more than a year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's so funny! YJ have some of the absolute worst coaches! Daddy coaches whose daughters are terrible, college girls who may be able to play but are terrible caoaches. Ask the parents who drove to Maryland to watch their daughters ride the bench last summer while coaches favorites blew every game. You obviously don't have a clue what your talking about, and are bitter at TG because they didn't get your daughter recruited. Maybe it's because she's not that good and has a whining a-hole parent who thinks anybody actually cares what you say. LLL and L

Who are the 3 best TG coaches, after SS?

They just got one of the best HS coaches on LI to start coaching for them.

Yeah, who?

What age group? 2021?

The WI Varsity coach [/quote]

Impressive. Hope they treat him well so he stays more than a year [/quote]

why isn't the WI HS coach taking over the black team? Why put your best coach on purple

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why isn't the WI HS coach taking over the black team? Why put your best coach on purple

What age is he coaching??? Anyone??? Bueller???

His daughter is on purple

Originally Posted by Anonymous

His daughter is on purple

Just what I was about to say. 2021 purple has his kid on it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

His daughter is on purple

Just what I was about to say. 2021 purple has his kid on it

and he couldn't bare to watch how the team was coached/treated any longer so he stepped up - thank God!

It's going to be a very good thing for the purple team! We were thrilled when we found out he was coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why isn't the WI HS coach taking over the black team? Why put your best coach on purple

Black team will be just fine with their new coach, trust me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why isn't the WI HS coach taking over the black team? Why put your best coach on purple

Black team will be just fine with their new coach, trust me.

I believe interim is the word your looking for

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why isn't the WI HS coach taking over the black team? Why put your best coach on purple

Black team will be just fine with their new coach, trust me.

I believe interim is the word your looking for

Sorry you left or didn't get pulled up?

Maybe sorry got pulled up ..better coach on purple ..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's so funny! YJ have some of the absolute worst coaches! Daddy coaches whose daughters are terrible, college girls who may be able to play but are terrible caoaches. Ask the parents who drove to Maryland to watch their daughters ride the bench last summer while coaches favorites blew every game. You obviously don't have a clue what your talking about, and are bitter at TG because they didn't get your daughter recruited. Maybe it's because she's not that good and has a whining a-hole parent who thinks anybody actually cares what you say. LLL and L

Who are the 3 best TG coaches, after SS?

They just got one of the best HS coaches on LI to start coaching for them.

Yeah, who?[/quote]

The WI Varsity coach [/quote]
Yeah but the only reason why the guy wins is that he has so many YJ's that play for his Varsity team. I have seen the guy coach first hand on the youth level, there isn't much going on there. He just isn't a development guy. The parents who play on his youth team complain all the time about the guy. Guys not going to win much in the future if he is relying on TG to produce talent for his varsity team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's so funny! YJ have some of the absolute worst coaches! Daddy coaches whose daughters are terrible, college girls who may be able to play but are terrible caoaches. Ask the parents who drove to Maryland to watch their daughters ride the bench last summer while coaches favorites blew every game. You obviously don't have a clue what your talking about, and are bitter at TG because they didn't get your daughter recruited. Maybe it's because she's not that good and has a whining a-hole parent who thinks anybody actually cares what you say. LLL and L

Who are the 3 best TG coaches, after SS?

They just got one of the best HS coaches on LI to start coaching for them.

Yeah, who?

The WI Varsity coach [/quote]
Yeah but the only reason why the guy wins is that he has so many YJ's that play for his Varsity team. I have seen the guy coach first hand on the youth level, there isn't much going on there. He just isn't a development guy. The parents who play on his youth team complain all the time about the guy. Guys not going to win much in the future if he is relying on TG to produce talent for his varsity team. [/quote]

Sounds like you are a whining complainer, probably because your daughter isn't that good. Waa waa

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's so funny! YJ have some of the absolute worst coaches! Daddy coaches whose daughters are terrible, college girls who may be able to play but are terrible caoaches. Ask the parents who drove to Maryland to watch their daughters ride the bench last summer while coaches favorites blew every game. You obviously don't have a clue what your talking about, and are bitter at TG because they didn't get your daughter recruited. Maybe it's because she's not that good and has a whining a-hole parent who thinks anybody actually cares what you say. LLL and L

Who are the 3 best TG coaches, after SS?

They just got one of the best HS coaches on LI to start coaching for them.

Yeah, who?

The WI Varsity coach [/quote]
Yeah but the only reason why the guy wins is that he has so many YJ's that play for his Varsity team. I have seen the guy coach first hand on the youth level, there isn't much going on there. He just isn't a development guy. The parents who play on his youth team complain all the time about the guy. Guys not going to win much in the future if he is relying on TG to produce talent for his varsity team. [/quote]

The West Islip PAL program has produced all of his players. The team has had kids that play for many different clubs over the years ...YJ, BB, TG,F.L.G.,Liberty,90+1, Express & TE.

Who are the 3 best TG coaches, after SS?[/quote]

They just got one of the best HS coaches on LI to start coaching for them.
[/quote]

Yeah, who?

The WI Varsity coach

Yeah but the only reason why the guy wins is that he has so many YJ's that play for his Varsity team. I have seen the guy coach first hand on the youth level, there isn't much going on there. He just isn't a development guy. The parents who play on his youth team complain all the time about the guy. Guys not going to win much in the future if he is relying on TG to produce talent for his varsity team. [/quote]

The 2015 State Championship had 5-YJ, 5 TG and 2 BB players in the starting line up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why isn't the WI HS coach taking over the black team? Why put your best coach on purple

Black team will be just fine with their new coach, trust me.

I believe interim is the word your looking for

I believe you're is the contraction you're looking for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's so funny! YJ have some of the absolute worst coaches! Daddy coaches whose daughters are terrible, college girls who may be able to play but are terrible caoaches. Ask the parents who drove to Maryland to watch their daughters ride the bench last summer while coaches favorites blew every game. You obviously don't have a clue what your talking about, and are bitter at TG because they didn't get your daughter recruited. Maybe it's because she's not that good and has a whining a-hole parent who thinks anybody actually cares what you say. LLL and L

That's hilarious because he has very few yj. He wins because he cares about his girls and they love him.

Who are the 3 best TG coaches, after SS?

They just got one of the best HS coaches on LI to start coaching for them.

Yeah, who?

The WI Varsity coach [/quote]
Yeah but the only reason why the guy wins is that he has so many YJ's that play for his Varsity team. I have seen the guy coach first hand on the youth level, there isn't much going on there. He just isn't a development guy. The parents who play on his youth team complain all the time about the guy. Guys not going to win much in the future if he is relying on TG to produce talent for his varsity team. [/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the 3 best TG coaches, after SS?

They just got one of the best HS coaches on LI to start coaching for them.
[/quote]

Yeah, who?

The WI Varsity coach

Yeah but the only reason why the guy wins is that he has so many YJ's that play for his Varsity team. I have seen the guy coach first hand on the youth level, there isn't much going on there. He just isn't a development guy. The parents who play on his youth team complain all the time about the guy. Guys not going to win much in the future if he is relying on TG to produce talent for his varsity team. [/quote]

The 2015 State Championship had 5-YJ, 5 TG and 2 BB players in the starting line up. [/quote]
Actually it was 10 YJ players to be correct.

Ok enough. The wi varsity coach is one of the most stand up guys you will ever meet. Tests his players as if they were his own kids. Nhs does not care if you are yj Tg Liberty elevate bb or anyone else. He cares if you are wi and that is why've is successful. Leave the guy alone. Bl if he is willing to take his time to try and help your kids be thankful

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the 3 best TG coaches, after SS?

They just got one of the best HS coaches on LI to start coaching for them.

Yeah, who?

The WI Varsity coach

Yeah but the only reason why the guy wins is that he has so many YJ's that play for his Varsity team. I have seen the guy coach first hand on the youth level, there isn't much going on there. He just isn't a development guy. The parents who play on his youth team complain all the time about the guy. Guys not going to win much in the future if he is relying on TG to produce talent for his varsity team. [/quote]

The 2015 State Championship had 5-YJ, 5 TG and 2 BB players in the starting line up. [/quote]
Actually it was 10 YJ players to be correct. [/quote]lmao no it was most definitely not 10
Yj. My daughter was a starter and I can tell you that she was one of 4 Tg and a few don't even play club ball

The WI 2015 team had 6-yj , 10 TG , 5 bb, and 5 kids that never played club ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The WI 2015 team had 6-yj , 10 TG , 5 bb, and 5 kids that never played club ball.

Who caaarreeessss. The guy wants to coach. Be thankful and leave it alone

He will win again in near future
Send your kid to st Anthony's

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The WI 2015 team had 6-yj , 10 TG , 5 bb, and 5 kids that never played club ball.

So in the end this really means nothing. You have a black team that just lost its best players , again. A team that was weak to begin with. Lost a bunch of the second rung players as well. A team that was not good to begin with and just got a whole lot worse. Where does that put the purple team with the the save the day coach? A Million miles away from competitive . You could get Kelly Amonte to coach the team, and it would not make the team competitive. Talent is not there, there is nothing you can do to make the team competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The WI 2015 team had 6-yj , 10 TG , 5 bb, and 5 kids that never played club ball.

So in the end this really means nothing. You have a black team that just lost its best players , again. A team that was weak to begin with. Lost a bunch of the second rung players as well. A team that was not good to begin with and just got a whole lot worse. Where does that put the purple team with the the save the day coach? A Million miles away from competitive . You could get Kelly Amonte to coach the team, and it would not make the team competitive. Talent is not there, there is nothing you can do to make the team competitive.

The only thing that means nothing is you and your useless opinion, bizarre how obsessed you are with trying every angle you can to put down TG, who are and will be just fine. You need help and should stop trying to live your life through your mediocre daughters lacrosse. Instead of coming on here relentlessly, get her some lessons, maybe she will get better and you wont have to complain so much! So much anger is bad for your health!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The WI 2015 team had 6-yj , 10 TG , 5 bb, and 5 kids that never played club ball.

So in the end this really means nothing. You have a black team that just lost its best players , again. A team that was weak to begin with. Lost a bunch of the second rung players as well. A team that was not good to begin with and just got a whole lot worse. Where does that put the purple team with the the save the day coach? A Million miles away from competitive . You could get Kelly Amonte to coach the team, and it would not make the team competitive. Talent is not there, there is nothing you can do to make the team competitive.

The only thing that means nothing is you and your useless opinion, bizarre how obsessed you are with trying every angle you can to put down TG, who are and will be just fine. You need help and should stop trying to live your life through your mediocre daughters lacrosse. Instead of coming on here relentlessly, get her some lessons, maybe she will get better and you wont have to complain so much! So much anger is bad for your health!

Angry much ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The WI 2015 team had 6-yj , 10 TG , 5 bb, and 5 kids that never played club ball.

So in the end this really means nothing. You have a black team that just lost its best players , again. A team that was weak to begin with. Lost a bunch of the second rung players as well. A team that was not good to begin with and just got a whole lot worse. Where does that put the purple team with the the save the day coach? A Million miles away from competitive . You could get Kelly Amonte to coach the team, and it would not make the team competitive. Talent is not there, there is nothing you can do to make the team competitive.

The only thing that means nothing is you and your useless opinion, bizarre how obsessed you are with trying every angle you can to put down TG, who are and will be just fine. You need help and should stop trying to live your life through your mediocre daughters lacrosse. Instead of coming on here relentlessly, get her some lessons, maybe she will get better and you wont have to complain so much! So much anger is bad for your health!

Angry much ?

Nope, that's you!

Topguns is lucky to have him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Topguns is lucky to have him.

I'm sure other clubs would be lining up to have him coach for them!

with reference to teams in any year other than black, that is such a crap statement, 2019 purple beat YJ and Liberty this past season at one of the Elite tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

with reference to teams in any year other than black, that is such a crap statement, 2019 purple beat YJ and Liberty this past season at one of the Elite tournaments.

Yes , 2019 YJ and Liberty "A" teams beat the best team from TG

But you're also saying that TG B team beats YJ and Liberty B teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 just improved.

okay. how?

Most teams get better when the top 7 players leave! Now the rest can shine, especially the West Bab players

Of the 7 who left, 4 were from West Babylon...so what is your point?

When did Liberty beat 19 black? 19 black also beat yj.

U15

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When did Liberty beat 19 black? 19 black also beat yj.

Last year twice in one tournament including the championship game , ask SS brother who was coaching , I'm sure he remembers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 just improved.

okay. how?

Most teams get better when the top 7 players leave! Now the rest can shine, especially the West Bab players

Of the 7 who left, 4 were from West Babylon...so what is your point?

========================================================

He has no point other than to talk out his arse. Remember....just the facts on BOTC which our resident troll is allergic to.

Ok just facts .. Two top kids left ..of the 7 total that did not go to tryouts zero were from wb ...3 of the 5 wb kids got knocked down to purple ...more west islip players on black then from any other town ...only two left from wb

When do the rosters get posted?

After that tournament we beat them. We never played them at u15

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the rosters get posted?

Rosters will be posted after all the first payments are made.

false statement. TG purple did not beat YJ B 2019 this summer. that YJ team beat purple. we need you to make accurate statements, no throwing stuff out.

no accurate would be " they did not play this year "

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the rosters get posted?

After YJ post their rosters and kids decide where they want to play - many ride the fence and don't pay deposit until after trying out for YJ and seeing where they land

2 Hofstra studs said good riddance ..a few more to follow

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 Hofstra studs said good riddance ..a few more to follow

Who would that be?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 Hofstra studs said good riddance ..a few more to follow

Did they have any studs to begin with?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 Hofstra studs said good riddance ..a few more to follow

Did they have any studs to begin with?

Just wait until the 2018s get there! Hofstra will be the bestest ever in the whole wide world!

Who cares, only a matter of time before the entire sports program at Hofstra goes Div. 3. The admin only cares about saving money, and that has been largely at the expense of their athletic program. Why do you think they hired SS. She was being interviewed for the graduate assistant position, and they decided they could get her really cheap, so they offered her the head coaching job. They even got her cheap in her 10 year deal.

How much can she make there, whats cheap

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 Hofstra studs said good riddance ..a few more to follow

Who would that be?

Who left? I just looked at their roster and it still shows 31 players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 Hofstra studs said good riddance ..a few more to follow

This statement sounds like a YJ lemming starting a rumor.

Check Stony Brooks roster..way to go Joe!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 Hofstra studs said good riddance ..a few more to follow

This statement sounds like a YJ lemming starting a rumor.

Yawn...

You douches do know that this is a Top Guns forum, not a Hofstra forum, right? So, take your Hofstra bashing to the appropriate place.

What age groups are "invited" to play in the fall tournaments?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You douches do know that this is a Top Guns forum, not a Hofstra forum, right? So, take your Hofstra bashing to the appropriate place.

You sound angry, try yoga

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 Hofstra studs said good riddance ..a few more to follow

Who would that be?

Who left? I just looked at their roster and it still shows 31 players.

We're all still waiting on the names of the girls that left, according to you. Just checked the roster and there are still 31 players listed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares, only a matter of time before the entire sports program at Hofstra goes Div. 3. The admin only cares about saving money, and that has been largely at the expense of their athletic program. Why do you think they hired SS. She was being interviewed for the graduate assistant position, and they decided they could get her really cheap, so they offered her the head coaching job. They even got her cheap in her 10 year deal.

You seem to have a lot of insight into the finances of a private universities athletic budget. Do you work at the university or what? Private universities usually do not disclose their budgets or pay for their employees like a public university does. How do you know how much Coach Smith makes?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 Hofstra studs said good riddance ..a few more to follow

Who would that be?

Who left? I just looked at their roster and it still shows 31 players.

Like somebody said above, check the SB roster. Probably just coincidence (wink, wink), but she's jersey #1 so right at the top of the list.

We're all still waiting on the names of the girls that left, according to you. Just checked the roster and there are still 31 players listed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 Hofstra studs said good riddance ..a few more to follow

Who would that be?

Who left? I just looked at their roster and it still shows 31 players.

Like somebody said above, check the SB roster. Probably just coincidence (wink, wink), but she's jersey #1 so right at the top of the list.

We're all still waiting on the names of the girls that left, according to you. Just checked the roster and there are still 31 players listed.

Girl from Riverhead was at Hofstra last season. She is now on the Stony Brook roster. Same number for both teams. Her father would rant and rave on the sidelines at Hofstra about how much he hated the program. Good luck to both of them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 Hofstra studs said good riddance ..a few more to follow

Who would that be?

Who left? I just looked at their roster and it still shows 31 players.

We're all still waiting on the names of the girls that left, according to you. Just checked the roster and there are still 31 players listed.

Nobody but you is waiting sweetie, we were all able to figure it out by checking the Stony Brook roster. Oh and just in case you STILL can't figure it out- the Hofstra roster IS NOT currently updated. Carry on..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 Hofstra studs said good riddance ..a few more to follow

Who would that be?

Who left? I just looked at their roster and it still shows 31 players.

Like somebody said above, check the SB roster. Probably just coincidence (wink, wink), but she's jersey #1 so right at the top of the list.

We're all still waiting on the names of the girls that left, according to you. Just checked the roster and there are still 31 players listed.

No one has left the team. All 31 players still there and working hard. So, take the rumor that CR wanted you to put on here and shove it somewhere. YJ loser.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 Hofstra studs said good riddance ..a few more to follow

Who would that be?

Who left? I just looked at their roster and it still shows 31 players.

We're all still waiting on the names of the girls that left, according to you. Just checked the roster and there are still 31 players listed.

Nobody but you is waiting sweetie, we were all able to figure it out by checking the Stony Brook roster. Oh and just in case you STILL can't figure it out- the Hofstra roster IS NOT currently updated. Carry on..

I knew about her, but the original statement was that 2 had left. CC is only one, and that was between last season and this one. After last season another one transferred to UMBC. Players quitting or transferring is not unique to HU. Happens at every program in every sport every year. Why the hate for Hofstra? Oh wait...CR told you to say bad things about it. Right? Can't think for yourselves, can you?

Speaking of Rosy Brook University, they also lost a player after last season. It appears she played a little, but then left. How is it possible?

Hofstra lost 4 girls from their 2016 roster. All four were underclassmen. Two from long island. 1 from Maryland and 1 from Delaware. We know one went to Stony Brook. As for the other 3, it's anyone's guess. Doesn't mean they left for greener pastures or were driven off the team by their coach. Girls leave programs constantly for one reason or another. As for any of them being considered studs is a stretch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hofstra lost 4 girls from their 2016 roster. All four were underclassmen. Two from long island. 1 from Maryland and 1 from Delaware. We know one went to Stony Brook. As for the other 3, it's anyone's guess. Doesn't mean they left for greener pastures or were driven off the team by their coach. Girls leave programs constantly for one reason or another. As for any of them being considered studs is a stretch.

They left because they weren't playing. They weren't playing because they were not good enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hofstra lost 4 girls from their 2016 roster. All four were underclassmen. Two from long island. 1 from Maryland and 1 from Delaware. We know one went to Stony Brook. As for the other 3, it's anyone's guess. Doesn't mean they left for greener pastures or were driven off the team by their coach. Girls leave programs constantly for one reason or another. As for any of them being considered studs is a stretch.

They left because they weren't playing. They weren't playing because they were not good enough.

You know nothing, Jon Snow.

IS this a Hofstra thread or a TG thread?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hofstra lost 4 girls from their 2016 roster. All four were underclassmen. Two from long island. 1 from Maryland and 1 from Delaware. We know one went to Stony Brook. As for the other 3, it's anyone's guess. Doesn't mean they left for greener pastures or were driven off the team by their coach. Girls leave programs constantly for one reason or another. As for any of them being considered studs is a stretch.

They left because they weren't playing. They weren't playing because they were not good enough.

the girl that went to Stony played in every game as a defender, you cant be serious?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

IS this a Hofstra thread or a TG thread?

Both, now be quiet and pay attention

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hofstra lost 4 girls from their 2016 roster. All four were underclassmen. Two from long island. 1 from Maryland and 1 from Delaware. We know one went to Stony Brook. As for the other 3, it's anyone's guess. Doesn't mean they left for greener pastures or were driven off the team by their coach. Girls leave programs constantly for one reason or another. As for any of them being considered studs is a stretch.

They left because they weren't playing. They weren't playing because they were not good enough.

You know nothing, Jon Snow.

Jon Snow, hysterical!! Lol!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares, only a matter of time before the entire sports program at Hofstra goes Div. 3. The admin only cares about saving money, and that has been largely at the expense of their athletic program. Why do you think they hired SS. She was being interviewed for the graduate assistant position, and they decided they could get her really cheap, so they offered her the head coaching job. They even got her cheap in her 10 year deal.

You seem to have a lot of insight into the finances of a private universities athletic budget. Do you work at the university or what? Private universities usually do not disclose their budgets or pay for their employees like a public university does. How do you know how much Coach Smith makes?

I have been involved in the private funding of Hofstra for many years. Alum and now have access to administration connections made as a donator. Being a former football player there it is very disappointing that the athletic program has gone the way it has. That being said I am not a Fan of her being the head coach of the team because I felt/feel she lacked the maturity to do so. Would/will she be a great coach? Yes, just not at Hofstra, she will be great at her next position when she learns from her mistakes. It is no fault of her own, as she would of been a fool not to take the position offered. At 23 years old when she took the position, and even now she lacks the maturity to fulfil her obligation by knowing when not to react emotionally. She needs to transition her playing emotional response or at least learn to not say anything until she calms down, and look at each situation as a whole and learn how to guide her team using each setback, never letting them off the hook, but turn it into a learning situation. She has trouble using athletics to teach real world skills to our student athletes. All the great Coaches in any sport coached more than their sports, the coached life lessons and these life lessons are the ones that turn out championships teams. Those type of coaches have a draw to their personalities that athletes want to be a part of. She has a way to go. She will eventually get there, but like I said it will be at her next coaching position down the road a ways.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares, only a matter of time before the entire sports program at Hofstra goes Div. 3. The admin only cares about saving money, and that has been largely at the expense of their athletic program. Why do you think they hired SS. She was being interviewed for the graduate assistant position, and they decided they could get her really cheap, so they offered her the head coaching job. They even got her cheap in her 10 year deal.

You seem to have a lot of insight into the finances of a private universities athletic budget. Do you work at the university or what? Private universities usually do not disclose their budgets or pay for their employees like a public university does. How do you know how much Coach Smith makes?

I have been involved in the private funding of Hofstra for many years. Alum and now have access to administration connections made as a donator. Being a former football player there it is very disappointing that the athletic program has gone the way it has. That being said I am not a Fan of her being the head coach of the team because I felt/feel she lacked the maturity to do so. Would/will she be a great coach? Yes, just not at Hofstra, she will be great at her next position when she learns from her mistakes. It is no fault of her own, as she would of been a fool not to take the position offered. At 23 years old when she took the position, and even now she lacks the maturity to fulfil her obligation by knowing when not to react emotionally. She needs to transition her playing emotional response or at least learn to not say anything until she calms down, and look at each situation as a whole and learn how to guide her team using each setback, never letting them off the hook, but turn it into a learning situation. She has trouble using athletics to teach real world skills to our student athletes. All the great Coaches in any sport coached more than their sports, the coached life lessons and these life lessons are the ones that turn out championships teams. Those type of coaches have a draw to their personalities that athletes want to be a part of. She has a way to go. She will eventually get there, but like I said it will be at her next coaching position down the road a ways.

Well said. I believe she needs to distance herself from her father in a lot of her decision making.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares, only a matter of time before the entire sports program at Hofstra goes Div. 3. The admin only cares about saving money, and that has been largely at the expense of their athletic program. Why do you think they hired SS. She was being interviewed for the graduate assistant position, and they decided they could get her really cheap, so they offered her the head coaching job. They even got her cheap in her 10 year deal.

You seem to have a lot of insight into the finances of a private universities athletic budget. Do you work at the university or what? Private universities usually do not disclose their budgets or pay for their employees like a public university does. How do you know how much Coach Smith makes?

I have been involved in the private funding of Hofstra for many years. Alum and now have access to administration connections made as a donator. Being a former football player there it is very disappointing that the athletic program has gone the way it has. That being said I am not a Fan of her being the head coach of the team because I felt/feel she lacked the maturity to do so. Would/will she be a great coach? Yes, just not at Hofstra, she will be great at her next position when she learns from her mistakes. It is no fault of her own, as she would of been a fool not to take the position offered. At 23 years old when she took the position, and even now she lacks the maturity to fulfil her obligation by knowing when not to react emotionally. She needs to transition her playing emotional response or at least learn to not say anything until she calms down, and look at each situation as a whole and learn how to guide her team using each setback, never letting them off the hook, but turn it into a learning situation. She has trouble using athletics to teach real world skills to our student athletes. All the great Coaches in any sport coached more than their sports, the coached life lessons and these life lessons are the ones that turn out championships teams. Those type of coaches have a draw to their personalities that athletes want to be a part of. She has a way to go. She will eventually get there, but like I said it will be at her next coaching position down the road a ways.

Well said. I believe she needs to distance herself from her father in a lot of her decision making.

I can't help but think that someone here once said not every great player makes a great coach. I agree with taking the daddy ear piece out, and it's also important to remember her ego has been so pumped up that it must be challenging for her to accept she has to learn to stop blaming these kids for her lack of winning. Maybe the new (ear) assistants will help get the team on track to a successful season

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares, only a matter of time before the entire sports program at Hofstra goes Div. 3. The admin only cares about saving money, and that has been largely at the expense of their athletic program. Why do you think they hired SS. She was being interviewed for the graduate assistant position, and they decided they could get her really cheap, so they offered her the head coaching job. They even got her cheap in her 10 year deal.

You seem to have a lot of insight into the finances of a private universities athletic budget. Do you work at the university or what? Private universities usually do not disclose their budgets or pay for their employees like a public university does. How do you know how much Coach Smith makes?

I have been involved in the private funding of Hofstra for many years. Alum and now have access to administration connections made as a donator. Being a former football player there it is very disappointing that the athletic program has gone the way it has. That being said I am not a Fan of her being the head coach of the team because I felt/feel she lacked the maturity to do so. Would/will she be a great coach? Yes, just not at Hofstra, she will be great at her next position when she learns from her mistakes. It is no fault of her own, as she would of been a fool not to take the position offered. At 23 years old when she took the position, and even now she lacks the maturity to fulfil her obligation by knowing when not to react emotionally. She needs to transition her playing emotional response or at least learn to not say anything until she calms down, and look at each situation as a whole and learn how to guide her team using each setback, never letting them off the hook, but turn it into a learning situation. She has trouble using athletics to teach real world skills to our student athletes. All the great Coaches in any sport coached more than their sports, the coached life lessons and these life lessons are the ones that turn out championships teams. Those type of coaches have a draw to their personalities that athletes want to be a part of. She has a way to go. She will eventually get there, but like I said it will be at her next coaching position down the road a ways.

Thank you. Good insight. I would like to add that I think she is already on the path of learning more about being a successful D1 coach. From the info I was told, she has changed her fall training plan and seems to be more interested in team chemistry than before. There is of course the physical fitness part that is tough (as it should be) but there has also been a few non-lax events thrown in. She seems to have learned from the past, due to lots of injuries last fall, and made the necessary changes. Hopefully she'll become that great coach while she's at Hofstra.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares, only a matter of time before the entire sports program at Hofstra goes Div. 3. The admin only cares about saving money, and that has been largely at the expense of their athletic program. Why do you think they hired SS. She was being interviewed for the graduate assistant position, and they decided they could get her really cheap, so they offered her the head coaching job. They even got her cheap in her 10 year deal.

You seem to have a lot of insight into the finances of a private universities athletic budget. Do you work at the university or what? Private universities usually do not disclose their budgets or pay for their employees like a public university does. How do you know how much Coach Smith makes?

I have been involved in the private funding of Hofstra for many years. Alum and now have access to administration connections made as a donator. Being a former football player there it is very disappointing that the athletic program has gone the way it has. That being said I am not a Fan of her being the head coach of the team because I felt/feel she lacked the maturity to do so. Would/will she be a great coach? Yes, just not at Hofstra, she will be great at her next position when she learns from her mistakes. It is no fault of her own, as she would of been a fool not to take the position offered. At 23 years old when she took the position, and even now she lacks the maturity to fulfil her obligation by knowing when not to react emotionally. She needs to transition her playing emotional response or at least learn to not say anything until she calms down, and look at each situation as a whole and learn how to guide her team using each setback, never letting them off the hook, but turn it into a learning situation. She has trouble using athletics to teach real world skills to our student athletes. All the great Coaches in any sport coached more than their sports, the coached life lessons and these life lessons are the ones that turn out championships teams. Those type of coaches have a draw to their personalities that athletes want to be a part of. She has a way to go. She will eventually get there, but like I said it will be at her next coaching position down the road a ways.

Well said. I believe she needs to distance herself from her father in a lot of her decision making.

I can't help but think that someone here once said not every great player makes a great coach. I agree with taking the daddy ear piece out, and it's also important to remember her ego has been so pumped up that it must be challenging for her to accept she has to learn to stop blaming these kids for her lack of winning. Maybe the new (ear) assistants will help get the team on track to a successful season

Agreed. The players really, really like the new assistants. They have brought a new perspective and voice to the staff, and I think Shannon is learning to listen to them.

Well, perhaps Hofstra will benefit from the new assistants mentioned above but Top Guns seems to falling by the wayside, unfortunately.

Why is TG falling by the wayside? So many other LI programs do so poorly, charge so much more, and are never mentioned here because they are nonfactors. Choosing a team is a choice. Please give the alternative team choice that is better than TG other than YJ or perhaps Liberty. There is none better overall as a program, not including some programs that have one or two strong age groups, but are not competitive at most other age groups.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well, perhaps Hofstra will benefit from the new assistants mentioned above but Top Guns seems to falling by the wayside, unfortunately.

One of the new assistant coaches at Hofstra is the new coach of my daughter's Top Gun team so it seems Top Guns is also benefitting and not "falling by the wayside".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is TG falling by the wayside? So many other LI programs do so poorly, charge so much more, and are never mentioned here because they are nonfactors. Choosing a team is a choice. Please give the alternative team choice that is better than TG other than YJ or perhaps Liberty. There is none better overall as a program, not including some programs that have one or two strong age groups, but are not competitive at most other age groups.

I agree. TG has a very good history as far as getting girls to college. A lot of people get sucked into the YJ factor...win at all costs, even though it has almost zero bearing on where the kids will go to college to play. There is a lot to be said for clubs who value other factors, in addition to winning, like TG does. The narrow-minded people in our midst are the ones who choose programs like YJ. They are the ones who are easily influenced, blindly believing whatever the queen bee spews. In MD, Heros is the equivalent to YJ. A bunch of loudmouth a-holes cheering on their little super star who will get a 25% scholarship, just like a classier club gets their kids. Their narrow-mindedness is comical.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares, only a matter of time before the entire sports program at Hofstra goes Div. 3. The admin only cares about saving money, and that has been largely at the expense of their athletic program. Why do you think they hired SS. She was being interviewed for the graduate assistant position, and they decided they could get her really cheap, so they offered her the head coaching job. They even got her cheap in her 10 year deal.

You seem to have a lot of insight into the finances of a private universities athletic budget. Do you work at the university or what? Private universities usually do not disclose their budgets or pay for their employees like a public university does. How do you know how much Coach Smith makes?

I have been involved in the private funding of Hofstra for many years. Alum and now have access to administration connections made as a donator. Being a former football player there it is very disappointing that the athletic program has gone the way it has. That being said I am not a Fan of her being the head coach of the team because I felt/feel she lacked the maturity to do so. Would/will she be a great coach? Yes, just not at Hofstra, she will be great at her next position when she learns from her mistakes. It is no fault of her own, as she would of been a fool not to take the position offered. At 23 years old when she took the position, and even now she lacks the maturity to fulfil her obligation by knowing when not to react emotionally. She needs to transition her playing emotional response or at least learn to not say anything until she calms down, and look at each situation as a whole and learn how to guide her team using each setback, never letting them off the hook, but turn it into a learning situation. She has trouble using athletics to teach real world skills to our student athletes. All the great Coaches in any sport coached more than their sports, the coached life lessons and these life lessons are the ones that turn out championships teams. Those type of coaches have a draw to their personalities that athletes want to be a part of. She has a way to go. She will eventually get there, but like I said it will be at her next coaching position down the road a ways.

Well said. I believe she needs to distance herself from her father in a lot of her decision making.

I can't help but think that someone here once said not every great player makes a great coach. I agree with taking the daddy ear piece out, and it's also important to remember her ego has been so pumped up that it must be challenging for her to accept she has to learn to stop blaming these kids for her lack of winning. Maybe the new (ear) assistants will help get the team on track to a successful season

Great players can make great coaches if they have had the upbringing to do so. SS was a gifted athlete who was ahead of her time athletically. If you look now there are many players who can do what she did, but the bar now is so much higher, thanks to players like Shannon. Unfortunate to say, she couldn't remain relevant on the National Team for long, with much of the young blood behind her.

She definitely needs to distance herself from her father professionally, and Hofstra is helping her do that. He has embarrassed her on numerous occasions with both his actions and things he has said and done that have come back to the school in the form of complaints from the biggest athletic donors. His actions with the club program the run have shone her in a negative light snd she's been called to the AD's office on more than one occasion to answer concerns. He is not supposed to be around current Rostered Hofstra players and students without SS's supervision. That includes girls they use at their clinics and events. This was a condition put in place after what I would call a misunderstanding of youth vs. an old school guy. I respect what he did following 9/11 and his past is a big reason why he hasn't been distanced more as a condition of her employment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Why is TG falling by the wayside? So many other LI programs do so poorly, charge so much more, and are never mentioned here because they are nonfactors. Choosing a team is a choice. Please give the alternative team choice that is better than TG other than YJ or perhaps Liberty. There is none better overall as a program, not including some programs that have one or two strong age groups, but are not competitive at most other age groups.

I agree. TG has a very good history as far as getting girls to college. A lot of people get sucked into the YJ factor...win at all costs, even though it has almost zero bearing on where the kids will go to college to play. There is a lot to be said for clubs who value other factors, in addition to winning, like TG does. The narrow-minded people in our midst are the ones who choose programs like YJ. They are the ones who are easily influenced, blindly believing whatever the queen bee spews. In MD, Heros is the equivalent to YJ. A bunch of loudmouth a-holes cheering on their little super star who will get a 25% scholarship, just like a classier club gets their kids. Their narrow-mindedness is comical.[/
Only difference between YJ and TG is one wins and the other doesn't. They both are all about the money. What other factors does TG value? Team bonding? They don't do anything together outside of lacrosse. Community service? TG doesn't do anything that doesn't make them money. How about customer relations? You can't approach SS or BS without them going on the defensive before you even speak. I've watched both of them walk past families in their program and completely ignore them when a simple"hey how ya doing" would go a long way.

Can you give an example of what TG values you were referring to? TG was once a top program now they are trying to remain in the 2nd tier with Liberty.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you give an example of what TG values you were referring to? TG was once a top program now they are trying to remain in the 2nd tier with Liberty.

YJ may have some better teams at the older grades, with the exception of the 2016 TG team that just graduated who was better than YJA by far. The younger ages are up for grabs. TG 2023 beats YJA. Will be interesting to see how the 2024 teams do this year. YJ 2025, 2024, 2023, 2022, did not do well at elite tournaments this past summer, in some cases loosing all their games. Liberty could be good this year as well. Igloo too, and a couple of the Leg teams. would love to see these teams play each other more often. CR sends these younger teams to MD for beat downs when they can't even beat , or wold have a great game with several LI clubs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Why is TG falling by the wayside? So many other LI programs do so poorly, charge so much more, and are never mentioned here because they are nonfactors. Choosing a team is a choice. Please give the alternative team choice that is better than TG other than YJ or perhaps Liberty. There is none better overall as a program, not including some programs that have one or two strong age groups, but are not competitive at most other age groups.

I agree. TG has a very good history as far as getting girls to college. A lot of people get sucked into the YJ factor...win at all costs, even though it has almost zero bearing on where the kids will go to college to play. There is a lot to be said for clubs who value other factors, in addition to winning, like TG does. The narrow-minded people in our midst are the ones who choose programs like YJ. They are the ones who are easily influenced, blindly believing whatever the queen bee spews. In MD, Heros is the equivalent to YJ. A bunch of loudmouth a-holes cheering on their little super star who will get a 25% scholarship, just like a classier club gets their kids. Their narrow-mindedness is comical.[/
Only difference between YJ and TG is one wins and the other doesn't. They both are all about the money. What other factors does TG value? Team bonding? They don't do anything together outside of lacrosse. Community service? TG doesn't do anything that doesn't make them money. How about customer relations? You can't approach SS or BS without them going on the defensive before you even speak. I've watched both of them walk past families in their program and completely ignore them when a simple"hey how ya doing" would go a long way.

I think everyone's experiences are different. We have been with TG for many years and have never had any issues approaching BS or SS. As has been said many times before: you have many choices of places to play and should play for the club that is best for your daughter and your family. I bet you can find people who have had great experiences and awful experiences at every club. There is never a way to make everyone happy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you give an example of what TG values you were referring to? TG was once a top program now they are trying to remain in the 2nd tier with Liberty.

YJ may have some better teams at the older grades, with the exception of the 2016 TG team that just graduated who was better than YJA by far. The younger ages are up for grabs. TG 2023 beats YJA. Will be interesting to see how the 2024 teams do this year. YJ 2025, 2024, 2023, 2022, did not do well at elite tournaments this past summer, in some cases loosing all their games. Liberty could be good this year as well. Igloo too, and a couple of the Leg teams. would love to see these teams play each other more often. CR sends these younger teams to MD for beat downs when they can't even beat , or wold have a great game with several LI clubs

Sorry but you just show your complete ignorance when you speak . Your 2016 TG team was not successful in any respect .Consistently list to YJ Defo ( only time they did beat them was after most YJ players were committed and put out a mixed team). Look at any of the accolades , US lax AA, UA AA, Inside lacrosse ranking of incoming freshmen , it's not even close . YJ 2016 Defo was easily best team in the country during the recruiting years . Going back to rewrite history just makes you look ignorant so it's easy to ignore everything you say after .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you give an example of what TG values you were referring to? TG was once a top program now they are trying to remain in the 2nd tier with Liberty.

YJ may have some better teams at the older grades, with the exception of the 2016 TG team that just graduated who was better than YJA by far. The younger ages are up for grabs. TG 2023 beats YJA. Will be interesting to see how the 2024 teams do this year. YJ 2025, 2024, 2023, 2022, did not do well at elite tournaments this past summer, in some cases loosing all their games. Liberty could be good this year as well. Igloo too, and a couple of the Leg teams. would love to see these teams play each other more often. CR sends these younger teams to MD for beat downs when they can't even beat , or wold have a great game with several LI clubs

Sorry but you just show your complete ignorance when you speak . Your 2016 TG team was not successful in any respect .Consistently list to YJ Defo ( only time they did beat them was after most YJ players were committed and put out a mixed team). Look at any of the accolades , US lax AA, UA AA, Inside lacrosse ranking of incoming freshmen , it's not even close . YJ 2016 Defo was easily best team in the country during the recruiting years . Going back to rewrite history just makes you look ignorant so it's easy to ignore everything you say after .

Ok, my comments about 2016 were here-say, but the ones about the younger grades are spot on!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you give an example of what TG values you were referring to? TG was once a top program now they are trying to remain in the 2nd tier with Liberty.

YJ may have some better teams at the older grades, with the exception of the 2016 TG team that just graduated who was better than YJA by far. The younger ages are up for grabs. TG 2023 beats YJA. Will be interesting to see how the 2024 teams do this year. YJ 2025, 2024, 2023, 2022, did not do well at elite tournaments this past summer, in some cases loosing all their games. Liberty could be good this year as well. Igloo too, and a couple of the Leg teams. would love to see these teams play each other more often. CR sends these younger teams to MD for beat downs when they can't even beat , or wold have a great game with several LI clubs

Sorry but you just show your complete ignorance when you speak . Your 2016 TG team was not successful in any respect .Consistently list to YJ Defo ( only time they did beat them was after most YJ players were committed and put out a mixed team). Look at any of the accolades , US lax AA, UA AA, Inside lacrosse ranking of incoming freshmen , it's not even close . YJ 2016 Defo was easily best team in the country during the recruiting years . Going back to rewrite history just makes you look ignorant so it's easy to ignore everything you say after .

Ok, my comments about 2016 were here-say, but the ones about the younger grades are spot on!

In a 1-2 years the parents at the younger ages will realize that it's a mirage at TG as the play in B level tournaments against none of the top teams in the age group, at that point CR will reel in the best players with the promise of top level competition at A level tournaments and the recruiting potential that will be available to them at those tournaments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you give an example of what TG values you were referring to? TG was once a top program now they are trying to remain in the 2nd tier with Liberty.

YJ may have some better teams at the older grades, with the exception of the 2016 TG team that just graduated who was better than YJA by far. The younger ages are up for grabs. TG 2023 beats YJA. Will be interesting to see how the 2024 teams do this year. YJ 2025, 2024, 2023, 2022, did not do well at elite tournaments this past summer, in some cases loosing all their games. Liberty could be good this year as well. Igloo too, and a couple of the Leg teams. would love to see these teams play each other more often. CR sends these younger teams to MD for beat downs when they can't even beat , or wold have a great game with several LI clubs

Sorry but you just show your complete ignorance when you speak . Your 2016 TG team was not successful in any respect .Consistently list to YJ Defo ( only time they did beat them was after most YJ players were committed and put out a mixed team). Look at any of the accolades , US lax AA, UA AA, Inside lacrosse ranking of incoming freshmen , it's not even close . YJ 2016 Defo was easily best team in the country during the recruiting years . Going back to rewrite history just makes you look ignorant so it's easy to ignore everything you say after .

Ok, my comments about 2016 were here-say, but the ones about the younger grades are spot on!

In a 1-2 years the parents at the younger ages will realize that it's a mirage at TG as the play in B level tournaments against none of the top teams in the age group, at that point CR will reel in the best players with the promise of top level competition at A level tournaments and the recruiting potential that will be available to them at those tournaments

Some valid points, but there is a some significant trouble with some younger teams. Lack of talent, favoritism, poor coaches, coaches who don't show up. Many top girls are leaving because they are not interested in going to Maryland to get blown out. That is not helping anyone get better! There are several up and coming programs on LI attracting some of the better girls. Will be interesting to watch. Great for LI girls to have quality options other than the same old same old

Where are these up and coming programs hiding? TG handled all of the "new" programs easily last summer. Would love to see how these new programs would do in Maryland. They are fine for girls who want to play and not leave Long Island, but no one is leaving TG black team to play for a startup team. It's sort of sad that some of these teams are offering free tryouts to even field a team or round out roster spots. Last year's start-ups have started to water down girls lacrosse like boys lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are these up and coming programs hiding? TG handled all of the "new" programs easily last summer. Would love to see how these new programs would do in Maryland. They are fine for girls who want to play and not leave Long Island, but no one is leaving TG black team to play for a startup team. It's sort of sad that some of these teams are offering free tryouts to even field a team or round out roster spots. Last year's start-ups have started to water down girls lacrosse like boys lacrosse.

If 2020 TG black actually went to real tournaments you would see that one of these startups that has their old coach would beat them easily . Say what you want but who did that TG team play .All their top players left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Where are these up and coming programs hiding? TG handled all of the "new" programs easily last summer. Would love to see how these new programs would do in Maryland. They are fine for girls who want to play and not leave Long Island, but no one is leaving TG black team to play for a startup team. It's sort of sad that some of these teams are offering free tryouts to even field a team or round out roster spots. Last year's start-ups have started to water down girls lacrosse like boys lacrosse.

If 2020 TG black actually went to real tournaments you would see that one of these startups that has their old coach would beat them easily . Say what you want but who did that TG team play .All their top players left

The old coach avoided tournaments he knew 2020 black were in, beat them easily think again

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you give an example of what TG values you were referring to? TG was once a top program now they are trying to remain in the 2nd tier with Liberty.

YJ may have some better teams at the older grades, with the exception of the 2016 TG team that just graduated who was better than YJA by far. The younger ages are up for grabs. TG 2023 beats YJA. Will be interesting to see how the 2024 teams do this year. YJ 2025, 2024, 2023, 2022, did not do well at elite tournaments this past summer, in some cases loosing all their games. Liberty could be good this year as well. Igloo too, and a couple of the Leg teams. would love to see these teams play each other more often. CR sends these younger teams to MD for beat downs when they can't even beat , or wold have a great game with several LI clubs

Sorry but you just show your complete ignorance when you speak . Your 2016 TG team was not successful in any respect .Consistently list to YJ Defo ( only time they did beat them was after most YJ players were committed and put out a mixed team). Look at any of the accolades , US lax AA, UA AA, Inside lacrosse ranking of incoming freshmen , it's not even close . YJ 2016 Defo was easily best team in the country during the recruiting years . Going back to rewrite history just makes you look ignorant so it's easy to ignore everything you say after .

How are you measuring Success? every single one of the girls on TG 2016 who wanted to play college lacrosse is... I would say that's pretty successful.
A lot of those accolades you cite, are very subjective as well. the Under Armour team selection has had volumes written about how unfair it is... and honestly you can say the same about some of the others as well..There's a TG girl on the cover of Inside lacrosse this month, right after The YJ girl the month before..
Defo's team was great, but the TG 2016 team was also

^^ my mistake, its the same magazine, the cover it the YJ Player and the article on the Number 1 recruiting class has the TG girl..
six of one, half a dozen of the other

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you give an example of what TG values you were referring to? TG was once a top program now they are trying to remain in the 2nd tier with Liberty.

YJ may have some better teams at the older grades, with the exception of the 2016 TG team that just graduated who was better than YJA by far. The younger ages are up for grabs. TG 2023 beats YJA. Will be interesting to see how the 2024 teams do this year. YJ 2025, 2024, 2023, 2022, did not do well at elite tournaments this past summer, in some cases loosing all their games. Liberty could be good this year as well. Igloo too, and a couple of the Leg teams. would love to see these teams play each other more often. CR sends these younger teams to MD for beat downs when they can't even beat , or wold have a great game with several LI clubs

Sorry but you just show your complete ignorance when you speak . Your 2016 TG team was not successful in any respect .Consistently list to YJ Defo ( only time they did beat them was after most YJ players were committed and put out a mixed team). Look at any of the accolades , US lax AA, UA AA, Inside lacrosse ranking of incoming freshmen , it's not even close . YJ 2016 Defo was easily best team in the country during the recruiting years . Going back to rewrite history just makes you look ignorant so it's easy to ignore everything you say after .

How are you measuring Success? every single one of the girls on TG 2016 who wanted to play college lacrosse is... I would say that's pretty successful.
A lot of those accolades you cite, are very subjective as well. the Under Armour team selection has had volumes written about how unfair it is... and honestly you can say the same about some of the others as well..There's a TG girl on the cover of Inside lacrosse this month, right after The YJ girl the month before..
Defo's team was great, but the TG 2016 team was also

You are just rewriting history , did that great team ever beat M&D or YJ Defo without 2015 kids . The wins and losses are not subjective .In the recruiting years 9-10 grade there was no question as to who was the best team . Saying the accolades that they have gotten are subjective is absolutely true but those accolades are not even remotely close . Again it really does not matter as they are now teammates and was in response to person stating TG was far better .

You people are absolutely nuts, Cray-Cray. Relax and let the girls play! You sound like a bunch of washed up losers. The people that come on here are usually the ones who's daughters are not elite, just hanging onto the brand. unbelievable!

To YJ, WINNING IS EVERYTHING, in girls club lacrosse. They HAVE to be considered the best by their standards, and their standard is WIN EVERY GAME AT AND COST! It doesn't matter if they're considered a bunch of asses by everyone they, as long as THEY WIN AND ARE THE BEST, at girls club lacrosse. Just a bunch of immaturevidiots.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To YJ, WINNING IS EVERYTHING, in girls club lacrosse. They HAVE to be considered the best by their standards, and their standard is WIN EVERY GAME AT AND COST! It doesn't matter if they're considered a bunch of asses by everyone they, as long as THEY WIN AND ARE THE BEST, at girls club lacrosse. Just a bunch of immaturevidiots.

Big problem there for YJ. There younger teams suck and lose most games, can barely get by other LI teams, and in some cases can't!

Too funny you bunch of losers think winning is a bad thing . It's club lacrosse at the highest levels and yes you are supposed to try and win . Then of course you have the losers who make nonsense up that people hate the YJ parents etc but obviously the college coaches don't . Next level of loser sttack is they only care about winning at all costs and they only play certain kids and those kids are thugs blah blah . Sorry they just get the best players on Long Island and the college coaches know this .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny you bunch of losers think winning is a bad thing . It's club lacrosse at the highest levels and yes you are supposed to try and win . Then of course you have the losers who make nonsense up that people hate the YJ parents etc but obviously the college coaches don't . Next level of loser sttack is they only care about winning at all costs and they only play certain kids and those kids are thugs blah blah . Sorry they just get the best players on Long Island and the college coaches know this .

Problem is thug ball YJ backfired for teams such as 2023 A. Lack of talent, beaten by TG. Parent coaches. Disgruntled parents . B team better than A team, but B team players not interested to play for lousy A team coaches= big problems!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Too funny you bunch of losers think winning is a bad thing . It's club lacrosse at the highest levels and yes you are supposed to try and win . Then of course you have the losers who make nonsense up that people hate the YJ parents etc but obviously the college coaches don't . Next level of loser sttack is they only care about winning at all costs and they only play certain kids and those kids are thugs blah blah . Sorry they just get the best players on Long Island and the college coaches know this .

Problem is thug ball YJ backfired for teams such as 2023 A. Lack of talent, beaten by TG. Parent coaches. Disgruntled parents . B team better than A team, but B team players not interested to play for lousy A team coaches= big problems!

B team parents would take the promotion to A team in a heartbeat. We'll see you complainers on Sunday in Farmingdale

Some A team kids have already been seen at other clubs tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny you bunch of losers think winning is a bad thing . It's club lacrosse at the highest levels and yes you are supposed to try and win . Then of course you have the losers who make nonsense up that people hate the YJ parents etc but obviously the college coaches don't . Next level of loser sttack is they only care about winning at all costs and they only play certain kids and those kids are thugs blah blah . Sorry they just get the best players on Long Island and the college coaches know this .

Problem is thug ball YJ backfired for teams such as 2023 A. Lack of talent, beaten by TG. Parent coaches. Disgruntled parents . B team better than A team, but B team players not interested to play for lousy A team coaches= big problems!

Problem is CR has seen this before in diaper age lacrosse and will get the best TG kids to come over when they realize they have no interest in playing for Hofstra .By the time they are in pull ups YJ will be the dominant team on LI.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Where are these up and coming programs hiding? TG handled all of the "new" programs easily last summer. Would love to see how these new programs would do in Maryland. They are fine for girls who want to play and not leave Long Island, but no one is leaving TG black team to play for a startup team. It's sort of sad that some of these teams are offering free tryouts to even field a team or round out roster spots. Last year's start-ups have started to water down girls lacrosse like boys lacrosse.

If 2020 TG black actually went to real tournaments you would see that one of these startups that has their old coach would beat them easily . Say what you want but who did that TG team play .All their top players left

The old coach avoided tournaments he knew 2020 black were in, beat them easily think again

Yeah that makes sense he avoided TG black but went to tournaments with YJ, M&D etc. Maybe he avoided going to nonsense B level tournaments so he never got to play TG black.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

^^ my mistake, its the same magazine, the cover it the YJ Player and the article on the Number 1 recruiting class has the TG girl..
six of one, half a dozen of the other

Actually not really the same at all but it does illustrate the accolades of that Defo team as compared to the TG team that age. Sorry but when the wins and losses against each other is clearly on YJ side, tournaments won clearly on YJ side, Common opponents beaten clearly on YJ side, subjective accolades clearly on Defo side . Your trying to use a magazine that clearly has YJ ahead in talent as an example of the teams being equal is just not reality.That said good luck to all the LI kids hopefully they all enjoy their college experiences.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny you bunch of losers think winning is a bad thing . It's club lacrosse at the highest levels and yes you are supposed to try and win . Then of course you have the losers who make nonsense up that people hate the YJ parents etc but obviously the college coaches don't . Next level of loser sttack is they only care about winning at all costs and they only play certain kids and those kids are thugs blah blah . Sorry they just get the best players on Long Island and the college coaches know this .

Problem is thug ball YJ backfired for teams such as 2023 A. Lack of talent, beaten by TG. Parent coaches. Disgruntled parents . B team better than A team, but B team players not interested to play for lousy A team coaches= big problems!

Problem is CR has seen this before in diaper age lacrosse and will get the best TG kids to come over when they realize they have no interest in playing for Hofstra .By the time they are in pull ups YJ will be the dominant team on LI.

Won't happen unless A team coaches are replaced. They are not winning and the girls they favor are not good. Team is headed downhill and girls are leaving.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Where are these up and coming programs hiding? TG handled all of the "new" programs easily last summer. Would love to see how these new programs would do in Maryland. They are fine for girls who want to play and not leave Long Island, but no one is leaving TG black team to play for a startup team. It's sort of sad that some of these teams are offering free tryouts to even field a team or round out roster spots. Last year's start-ups have started to water down girls lacrosse like boys lacrosse.

If 2020 TG black actually went to real tournaments you would see that one of these startups that has their old coach would beat them easily . Say what you want but who did that TG team play .All their top players left

The old coach avoided tournaments he knew 2020 black were in, beat them easily think again

Yeah that makes sense he avoided TG black but went to tournaments with YJ, M&D etc. Maybe he avoided going to nonsense B level tournaments so he never got to play TG black.

Yawn.. truth is no one cares about that startup, Program will continue to struggle to pick off the rest of the low low level B player throwaways from all the other programs. all those tossaways and their delusional parents that swear they're going to the promise land. It kinda sucks that those kids are sold a dream and are stuck there as no top program wants them. but I'm sure you're going to tell us that some of the girls are getting looked at by colleges.. Please let us know when they have committed. Truth is you and the rest have been bullwinkled no one is looking, much less even talking or interested in the talent or lack of there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Where are these up and coming programs hiding? TG handled all of the "new" programs easily last summer. Would love to see how these new programs would do in Maryland. They are fine for girls who want to play and not leave Long Island, but no one is leaving TG black team to play for a startup team. It's sort of sad that some of these teams are offering free tryouts to even field a team or round out roster spots. Last year's start-ups have started to water down girls lacrosse like boys lacrosse.

If 2020 TG black actually went to real tournaments you would see that one of these startups that has their old coach would beat them easily . Say what you want but who did that TG team play .All their top players left

The old coach avoided tournaments he knew 2020 black were in, beat them easily think again

Yeah that makes sense he avoided TG black but went to tournaments with YJ, M&D etc. Maybe he avoided going to nonsense B level tournaments so he never got to play TG black.

Yawn.. truth is no one cares about that startup, Program will continue to struggle to pick off the rest of the low low level B player throwaways from all the other programs. all those tossaways and their delusional parents that swear they're going to the promise land. It kinda sucks that those kids are sold a dream and are stuck there as no top program wants them. but I'm sure you're going to tell us that some of the girls are getting looked at by colleges.. Please let us know when they have committed. Truth is you and the rest have been bullwinkled no one is looking, much less even talking or interested in the talent or lack of there.

You are a nasty negative, a-hole, go beat your wife or dog some more! YOU are exactly what is wrong with parents and youth lacrosse. Girls on LI play for several good programs on LI. Plenty of girls from programs other than YJ are going to top schools. Maybe you are angry because your girl is a space filler? Otherwise you wouldn't be such a tool! A real man would sign his name to what he says, you are just a little troll. I have 3 kids, who are either in top college programs on big time scholarships or considered tops for there age group. I know what I'm talking about, you????? A suggestion: Be accepting of the choices others make in the best interest of their kids. And be happy for the accomplishments of players other than your own kids and club! Think about that next time you take a shellacking from MD black! Being humble and appreciative is the name of the game!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Where are these up and coming programs hiding? TG handled all of the "new" programs easily last summer. Would love to see how these new programs would do in Maryland. They are fine for girls who want to play and not leave Long Island, but no one is leaving TG black team to play for a startup team. It's sort of sad that some of these teams are offering free tryouts to even field a team or round out roster spots. Last year's start-ups have started to water down girls lacrosse like boys lacrosse.

If 2020 TG black actually went to real tournaments you would see that one of these startups that has their old coach would beat them easily . Say what you want but who did that TG team play .All their top players left

The old coach avoided tournaments he knew 2020 black were in, beat them easily think again

Yeah that makes sense he avoided TG black but went to tournaments with YJ, M&D etc. Maybe he avoided going to nonsense B level tournaments so he never got to play TG black.

Yawn.. truth is no one cares about that startup, Program will continue to struggle to pick off the rest of the low low level B player throwaways from all the other programs. all those tossaways and their delusional parents that swear they're going to the promise land. It kinda sucks that those kids are sold a dream and are stuck there as no top program wants them. but I'm sure you're going to tell us that some of the girls are getting looked at by colleges.. Please let us know when they have committed. Truth is you and the rest have been bullwinkled no one is looking, much less even talking or interested in the talent or lack of there.

You are a nasty negative, a-hole, go beat your wife or dog some more! YOU are exactly what is wrong with parents and youth lacrosse. Girls on LI play for several good programs on LI. Plenty of girls from programs other than YJ are going to top schools. Maybe you are angry because your girl is a space filler? Otherwise you wouldn't be such a tool! A real man would sign his name to what he says, you are just a little troll. I have 3 kids, who are either in top college programs on big time scholarships or considered tops for there age group. I know what I'm talking about, you????? A suggestion: Be accepting of the choices others make in the best interest of their kids. And be happy for the accomplishments of players other than your own kids and club! Think about that next time you take a shellacking from MD black! Being humble and appreciative is the name of the game!

I love it! YJ lemmings can't spell humble or tolerant or appreciative. They are taught to be belittling and bullies. They are wrapped up in their fantasy world where being the best girls lacrosse team is the most important thing in the world. How sad of an existence that must be. But, if any of them were to ever grow a set of balls and tell CR and YJ to take a hike, they would see that there are many good options out there that may benefit the kid first and the parent second. Thank you.

I said it before and I will say it again. My kid is going to a top 20 nationally ranked lacrosse school and never even played the game.
So who cares what team your kid plays for or what school looked at her.
How will they do after lacrosse is over??

I wonder how many of this country's millionaires ever played lacrosse??
Haahaaaahaaaa!!!

Your kid is the greatest lacrosse player in the world and plays on the greatest team ever but will probably be passed over at her first job interview because the job does not require any stick skills.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wonder how many of this country's millionaires ever played lacrosse??
Haahaaaahaaaa!!!

Quite a few, mostly men at this point. Wall street is loaded with lax players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wonder how many of this country's millionaires ever played lacrosse??
Haahaaaahaaaa!!!

Quite a few, mostly men at this point. Wall street is loaded with lax players.

And this food is a true story!! Look at Reese stadium at Yale. Donated by lax players who made mega bucks in the financial industry. Lax gets u into college. What you do from there is up to you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Where are these up and coming programs hiding? TG handled all of the "new" programs easily last summer. Would love to see how these new programs would do in Maryland. They are fine for girls who want to play and not leave Long Island, but no one is leaving TG black team to play for a startup team. It's sort of sad that some of these teams are offering free tryouts to even field a team or round out roster spots. Last year's start-ups have started to water down girls lacrosse like boys lacrosse.

If 2020 TG black actually went to real tournaments you would see that one of these startups that has their old coach would beat them easily . Say what you want but who did that TG team play .All their top players left

The old coach avoided tournaments he knew 2020 black were in, beat them easily think again

Yeah that makes sense he avoided TG black but went to tournaments with YJ, M&D etc. Maybe he avoided going to nonsense B level tournaments so he never got to play TG black.

Yawn.. truth is no one cares about that startup, Program will continue to struggle to pick off the rest of the low low level B player throwaways from all the other programs. all those tossaways and their delusional parents that swear they're going to the promise land. It kinda sucks that those kids are sold a dream and are stuck there as no top program wants them. but I'm sure you're going to tell us that some of the girls are getting looked at by colleges.. Please let us know when they have committed. Truth is you and the rest have been bullwinkled no one is looking, much less even talking or interested in the talent or lack of there. [/quot

You know this start up well? I suppose you have played them a few times and have beaten that band of losers by double digits every time. Of course you have, dumb of me to even suggest you have'nt. Everyone knows that if it was less than a 10 goal margin, well that would'nt really be saying much about your team now would it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Where are these up and coming programs hiding? TG handled all of the "new" programs easily last summer. Would love to see how these new programs would do in Maryland. They are fine for girls who want to play and not leave Long Island, but no one is leaving TG black team to play for a startup team. It's sort of sad that some of these teams are offering free tryouts to even field a team or round out roster spots. Last year's start-ups have started to water down girls lacrosse like boys lacrosse.

If 2020 TG black actually went to real tournaments you would see that one of these startups that has their old coach would beat them easily . Say what you want but who did that TG team play .All their top players left

The old coach avoided tournaments he knew 2020 black were in, beat them easily think again

Yeah that makes sense he avoided TG black but went to tournaments with YJ, M&D etc. Maybe he avoided going to nonsense B level tournaments so he never got to play TG black.

Yawn.. truth is no one cares about that startup, Program will continue to struggle to pick off the rest of the low low level B player throwaways from all the other programs. all those tossaways and their delusional parents that swear they're going to the promise land. It kinda sucks that those kids are sold a dream and are stuck there as no top program wants them. but I'm sure you're going to tell us that some of the girls are getting looked at by colleges.. Please let us know when they have committed. Truth is you and the rest have been bullwinkled no one is looking, much less even talking or interested in the talent or lack of there.

Guess your daughter didn't make the team, or wasn't asked to come
Over when they moved (depending on the year). Why is it that TG picks a fight with every other club. Can't play nice with YJ, can't play nice with LE G. Maybe it's not a they problem maybe it's a TG inferiority complex problem.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Where are these up and coming programs hiding? TG handled all of the "new" programs easily last summer. Would love to see how these new programs would do in Maryland. They are fine for girls who want to play and not leave Long Island, but no one is leaving TG black team to play for a startup team. It's sort of sad that some of these teams are offering free tryouts to even field a team or round out roster spots. Last year's start-ups have started to water down girls lacrosse like boys lacrosse.

If 2020 TG black actually went to real tournaments you would see that one of these startups that has their old coach would beat them easily . Say what you want but who did that TG team play .All their top players left

The old coach avoided tournaments he knew 2020 black were in, beat them easily think again

Yeah that makes sense he avoided TG black but went to tournaments with YJ, M&D etc. Maybe he avoided going to nonsense B level tournaments so he never got to play TG black.

Yawn.. truth is no one cares about that startup, Program will continue to struggle to pick off the rest of the low low level B player throwaways from all the other programs. all those tossaways and their delusional parents that swear they're going to the promise land. It kinda sucks that those kids are sold a dream and are stuck there as no top program wants them. but I'm sure you're going to tell us that some of the girls are getting looked at by colleges.. Please let us know when they have committed. Truth is you and the rest have been bullwinkled no one is looking, much less even talking or interested in the talent or lack of there.

Guess your daughter didn't make the team, or wasn't asked to come
Over when they moved (depending on the year). Why is it that TG picks a fight with every other club. Can't play nice with YJ, can't play nice with LE G. Maybe it's not a they problem maybe it's a TG inferiority complex problem.

Are you really that dumb? The insulting loser is a YJ cheerleader! This YJ loser is obsessed with picking fights on the TG forum. Very bizarre

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Where are these up and coming programs hiding? TG handled all of the "new" programs easily last summer. Would love to see how these new programs would do in Maryland. They are fine for girls who want to play and not leave Long Island, but no one is leaving TG black team to play for a startup team. It's sort of sad that some of these teams are offering free tryouts to even field a team or round out roster spots. Last year's start-ups have started to water down girls lacrosse like boys lacrosse.

If 2020 TG black actually went to real tournaments you would see that one of these startups that has their old coach would beat them easily . Say what you want but who did that TG team play .All their top players left

The old coach avoided tournaments he knew 2020 black were in, beat them easily think again

Yeah that makes sense he avoided TG black but went to tournaments with YJ, M&D etc. Maybe he avoided going to nonsense B level tournaments so he never got to play TG black.

Yawn.. truth is no one cares about that startup, Program will continue to struggle to pick off the rest of the low low level B player throwaways from all the other programs. all those tossaways and their delusional parents that swear they're going to the promise land. It kinda sucks that those kids are sold a dream and are stuck there as no top program wants them. but I'm sure you're going to tell us that some of the girls are getting looked at by colleges.. Please let us know when they have committed. Truth is you and the rest have been bullwinkled no one is looking, much less even talking or interested in the talent or lack of there.

Guess your daughter didn't make the team, or wasn't asked to come
Over when they moved (depending on the year). Why is it that TG picks a fight with every other club. Can't play nice with YJ, can't play nice with LE G. Maybe it's not a they problem maybe it's a TG inferiority complex problem.

Are you really that dumb? The insulting loser is a YJ cheerleader! This YJ loser is obsessed with picking fights on the TG forum. Very bizarre

West Hampton

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Where are these up and coming programs hiding? TG handled all of the "new" programs easily last summer. Would love to see how these new programs would do in Maryland. They are fine for girls who want to play and not leave Long Island, but no one is leaving TG black team to play for a startup team. It's sort of sad that some of these teams are offering free tryouts to even field a team or round out roster spots. Last year's start-ups have started to water down girls lacrosse like boys lacrosse.

If 2020 TG black actually went to real tournaments you would see that one of these startups that has their old coach would beat them easily . Say what you want but who did that TG team play .All their top players left

The old coach avoided tournaments he knew 2020 black were in, beat them easily think again

Yeah that makes sense he avoided TG black but went to tournaments with YJ, M&D etc. Maybe he avoided going to nonsense B level tournaments so he never got to play TG black.

Yawn.. truth is no one cares about that startup, Program will continue to struggle to pick off the rest of the low low level B player throwaways from all the other programs. all those tossaways and their delusional parents that swear they're going to the promise land. It kinda sucks that those kids are sold a dream and are stuck there as no top program wants them. but I'm sure you're going to tell us that some of the girls are getting looked at by colleges.. Please let us know when they have committed. Truth is you and the rest have been bullwinkled no one is looking, much less even talking or interested in the talent or lack of there.

Guess your daughter didn't make the team, or wasn't asked to come
Over when they moved (depending on the year). Why is it that TG picks a fight with every other club. Can't play nice with YJ, can't play nice with LE G. Maybe it's not a they problem maybe it's a TG inferiority complex problem.

Are you really that dumb? The insulting loser is a YJ cheerleader! This YJ loser is obsessed with picking fights on the TG forum. Very bizarre

How would you know that . Your answer alone is condescending and shows that yes TG has their fair share of losers . Honestly good for LE G going to more difficult tournies and yes their 2020 team would beat your TG 2020 team , stop blaming YJ for that .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I said it before and I will say it again. My kid is going to a top 20 nationally ranked lacrosse school and never even played the game.
So who cares what team your kid plays for or what school looked at her.
How will they do after lacrosse is over??

is ur kid going to a top 20 academic school? who cares if they r going to a top 20 lax school if they r not playing. Tell me they got into Stanford, Duke, NU, ND, Princeton, Penn, Cornell, Hopkins and I'll be impressed. Those r the top 20 lax programs that r also top 20 academically. Otherwise, your point is pointless.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I said it before and I will say it again. My kid is going to a top 20 nationally ranked lacrosse school and never even played the game.
So who cares what team your kid plays for or what school looked at her.
How will they do after lacrosse is over??

is ur kid going to a top 20 academic school? who cares if they r going to a top 20 lax school if they r not playing. Tell me they got into Stanford, Duke, NU, ND, Princeton, Penn, Cornell, Hopkins and I'll be impressed. Those r the top 20 lax programs that r also top 20 academically. Otherwise, your point is pointless.

Just ignorant , its way more complicated than that. Top 20 according to who? What classes are they taking and what is their major? Would rather be in the top 10 percent of a graduating class from University of Maryland compared to the bottom 25 percent of any of those schools. If you play girls lacrosse and are a descent player and a descent student getting into 1 of those schools is not overly impressive its what you do with it that counts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I said it before and I will say it again. My kid is going to a top 20 nationally ranked lacrosse school and never even played the game.
So who cares what team your kid plays for or what school looked at her.
How will they do after lacrosse is over??

is ur kid going to a top 20 academic school? who cares if they r going to a top 20 lax school if they r not playing. Tell me they got into Stanford, Duke, NU, ND, Princeton, Penn, Cornell, Hopkins and I'll be impressed. Those r the top 20 lax programs that r also top 20 academically. Otherwise, your point is pointless.

Just ignorant , its way more complicated than that. Top 20 according to who? What classes are they taking and what is their major? Would rather be in the top 10 percent of a graduating class from University of Maryland compared to the bottom 25 percent of any of those schools. If you play girls lacrosse and are a descent player and a descent student getting into 1 of those schools is not overly impressive its what you do with it that counts.

Jealousy kills

In response to the above thread "How would you know that"

My kids is not on the 2020 team. My kid is younger and her team beat YJA last time they played. I'm happy for Legacy and hope their program grows. good for LI. I also know a few YJ girls who are going there, and they are excellent players. I am not really that interested in who beats who. Just that the games are competitive, my daughter is playing and playing well, and that we are all having fun!

yes. what you can do with the education. like for example learning how to spell decent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yes. what you can do with the education. like for example learning how to spell decent.

Are you seriously going to correct someone's spelling when you start all your sentences w lower case etc. If you are going to be the spelling police or grammar police make sure to review your own .Yes my spelling and grammar are not the best but neither is yours .I guess my Ivy League education has failed me.

meowwww...cat fight

really...you went to IVY ? without Google can you answer this....what does IVY stand for?

The original four Princeton, Yale, Harvard and Columbia used to be 'The League of Four' or 'The IV League' (Roman numerals for 4) soon changed to 'Ivy League' as spoken rather than written.

D4 - no google here. I went to a real school in Cambridge.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yes. what you can do with the education. like for example learning how to spell decent.

LOL - and I would prefer my kids to graduate bottom 25% from Cornell, Princeton, Harvard etc. then top 10% in UMD and similar schools, not to mention the network available to them from the Ivy's

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yes. what you can do with the education. like for example learning how to spell decent.

Are you seriously going to correct someone's spelling when you start all your sentences w lower case etc. If you are going to be the spelling police or grammar police make sure to review your own .Yes my spelling and grammar are not the best but neither is yours .I guess my Ivy League education has failed me.

I'm calling BS on anyone who claims to have graduated from an Ivy, but can't spell the word decent correctly, it would be sad if my kids were to graduate HS without that ability

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Where are these up and coming programs hiding? TG handled all of the "new" programs easily last summer. Would love to see how these new programs would do in Maryland. They are fine for girls who want to play and not leave Long Island, but no one is leaving TG black team to play for a startup team. It's sort of sad that some of these teams are offering free tryouts to even field a team or round out roster spots. Last year's start-ups have started to water down girls lacrosse like boys lacrosse.

If 2020 TG black actually went to real tournaments you would see that one of these startups that has their old coach would beat them easily . Say what you want but who did that TG team play .All their top players left

The old coach avoided tournaments he knew 2020 black were in, beat them easily think again

Yeah that makes sense he avoided TG black but went to tournaments with YJ, M&D etc. Maybe he avoided going to nonsense B level tournaments so he never got to play TG black.

Yawn.. truth is no one cares about that startup, Program will continue to struggle to pick off the rest of the low low level B player throwaways from all the other programs. all those tossaways and their delusional parents that swear they're going to the promise land. It kinda sucks that those kids are sold a dream and are stuck there as no top program wants them. but I'm sure you're going to tell us that some of the girls are getting looked at by colleges.. Please let us know when they have committed. Truth is you and the rest have been bullwinkled no one is looking, much less even talking or interested in the talent or lack of there. [/quot

You know this start up well? I suppose you have played them a few times and have beaten that band of losers by double digits every time. Of course you have, dumb of me to even suggest you have'nt. Everyone knows that if it was less than a 10 goal margin, well that would'nt really be saying much about your team now would it.

Anything to say???. Crickets

Just to be clear...every kid that graduates from an ivy is very successful?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Where are these up and coming programs hiding? TG handled all of the "new" programs easily last summer. Would love to see how these new programs would do in Maryland. They are fine for girls who want to play and not leave Long Island, but no one is leaving TG black team to play for a startup team. It's sort of sad that some of these teams are offering free tryouts to even field a team or round out roster spots. Last year's start-ups have started to water down girls lacrosse like boys lacrosse.

If 2020 TG black actually went to real tournaments you would see that one of these startups that has their old coach would beat them easily . Say what you want but who did that TG team play .All their top players left

The old coach avoided tournaments he knew 2020 black were in, beat them easily think again

Yeah that makes sense he avoided TG black but went to tournaments with YJ, M&D etc. Maybe he avoided going to nonsense B level tournaments so he never got to play TG black.

Yawn.. truth is no one cares about that startup, Program will continue to struggle to pick off the rest of the low low level B player throwaways from all the other programs. all those tossaways and their delusional parents that swear they're going to the promise land. It kinda sucks that those kids are sold a dream and are stuck there as no top program wants them. but I'm sure you're going to tell us that some of the girls are getting looked at by colleges.. Please let us know when they have committed. Truth is you and the rest have been bullwinkled no one is looking, much less even talking or interested in the talent or lack of there. [/quot

You know this start up well? I suppose you have played them a few times and have beaten that band of losers by double digits every time. Of course you have, dumb of me to even suggest you have'nt. Everyone knows that if it was less than a 10 goal margin, well that would'nt really be saying much about your team now would it.

Anything to say???. Crickets

Wow! Can't wait for Karma to come and bite you in the [lacrosse]! You Seem to know it all, yet your daughter probably rides the bench. So sad to have a psycho parent like you! Cray-Cray is what they call it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to be clear...every kid that graduates from an ivy is very successful?

no, but most have a basic command of the English language and can read and write on an 8th grade level - skills which you may or may not possess

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I said it before and I will say it again. My kid is going to a top 20 nationally ranked lacrosse school and never even played the game.
So who cares what team your kid plays for or what school looked at her.
How will they do after lacrosse is over??

is ur kid going to a top 20 academic school? who cares if they r going to a top 20 lax school if they r not playing. Tell me they got into Stanford, Duke, NU, ND, Princeton, Penn, Cornell, Hopkins and I'll be impressed. Those r the top 20 lax programs that r also top 20 academically. Otherwise, your point is pointless.

Just ignorant , its way more complicated than that. Top 20 according to who? What classes are they taking and what is their major? Would rather be in the top 10 percent of a graduating class from University of Maryland compared to the bottom 25 percent of any of those schools. If you play girls lacrosse and are a descent player and a descent student getting into 1 of those schools is not overly impressive its what you do with it that counts.

you r clueless. and u started this by taking shots at girls who work hard, many both at school and on the field. "Decent player and decent student" do not describe the girls going to those schools. They are much better than decent. Sorry, that just sounds like sour grapes. It is very impressive on all dimensions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I said it before and I will say it again. My kid is going to a top 20 nationally ranked lacrosse school and never even played the game.
So who cares what team your kid plays for or what school looked at her.
How will they do after lacrosse is over??

is ur kid going to a top 20 academic school? who cares if they r going to a top 20 lax school if they r not playing. Tell me they got into Stanford, Duke, NU, ND, Princeton, Penn, Cornell, Hopkins and I'll be impressed. Those r the top 20 lax programs that r also top 20 academically. Otherwise, your point is pointless.

Just ignorant , its way more complicated than that. Top 20 according to who? What classes are they taking and what is their major? Would rather be in the top 10 percent of a graduating class from University of Maryland compared to the bottom 25 percent of any of those schools. If you play girls lacrosse and are a descent player and a descent student getting into 1 of those schools is not overly impressive its what you do with it that counts.

you r clueless. and u started this by taking shots at girls who work hard, many both at school and on the field. "Decent player and decent student" do not describe the girls going to those schools. They are much better than decent. Sorry, that just sounds like sour grapes. It is very impressive on all dimensions.

Is what it is , 2 girls from my high school go to Hopkins , neither in top 20 percent of their high school class and neither were AA lacrosse players . Both were all county and were around 90 average students . So you are correct in that they should be regarded as better than decent it's not exactly top of their class.

A few from our area are all county and LI all american (both 90ish students) had offers from D1 2 and 3 schools. Decided on D2 after visiting campuses- you need to listen to your kids folks. Some don't want to sit on the bench, some don't want to leave home, some are looking for a specific program. Please stop pressuring them into a college for name value, it's there lives- not yours. Enjoy watching them play if they are lucky enough to play, it's a wonderful experience!

That is a great post. You get it!! Signed a YJ parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A few from our area are all county and LI all american (both 90ish students) had offers from D1 2 and 3 schools. Decided on D2 after visiting campuses- you need to listen to your kids folks. Some don't want to sit on the bench, some don't want to leave home, some are looking for a specific program. Please stop pressuring them into a college for name value, it's there lives- not yours. Enjoy watching them play if they are lucky enough to play, it's a wonderful experience!

Don't disagree. The flip side though, where kids do choose to go to a top academic school (and yes there are such things) and play lax at a very high level, keeps getting bashed on here. The implication is made by some that these kids r somehow "just dumb lax players" and somehow don't belong at these schools etc. Might be true in some cases, but not the majority. It is usually from jealous people who need to be called out for it. It's great if the right fit for your daughter is a D2 lax program and academic situation. It is also great if your daughter has the academic ambition and ability to go along with the lax ability to play at Princeton, don't you think? There is a difference between Princeton and D2 U, whether you want to admit that or not. It will be very safe bet that the D1 programs that your daughter rejected in favor of her D2 choice were not the as you put it the "name brand" schools listed above. So stop comparing apples and oranges.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A few from our area are all county and LI all american (both 90ish students) had offers from D1 2 and 3 schools. Decided on D2 after visiting campuses- you need to listen to your kids folks. Some don't want to sit on the bench, some don't want to leave home, some are looking for a specific program. Please stop pressuring them into a college for name value, it's there lives- not yours. Enjoy watching them play if they are lucky enough to play, it's a wonderful experience!

well said. There is so much to consider at each school (programs offered, climate, size, location, etc.., etc..) that finding the right fit and not the right name is the ultimate goal in selecting a college. D1, D2, D3 lacrosse all lead to the same thing when it is over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I said it before and I will say it again. My kid is going to a top 20 nationally ranked lacrosse school and never even played the game.
So who cares what team your kid plays for or what school looked at her.
How will they do after lacrosse is over??

is ur kid going to a top 20 academic school? who cares if they r going to a top 20 lax school if they r not playing. Tell me they got into Stanford, Duke, NU, ND, Princeton, Penn, Cornell, Hopkins and I'll be impressed. Those r the top 20 lax programs that r also top 20 academically. Otherwise, your point is pointless.

Isn't your point useless according to your own standards because those schools are not all top 20 in the country academically while others are not top 20 lax .

He also says who cares if they are going to a top 20 lax school, if they are not playing.
Would you care if my kid was playing there...? I didn't think so.

Lacrosse doesn't make the person, awesome people make the game.
It gets a little old hearing people constantly talking as if you are not a good lacrosse player, you probably won't go to a good school and likely will not do well in life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A few from our area are all county and LI all american (both 90ish students) had offers from D1 2 and 3 schools. Decided on D2 after visiting campuses- you need to listen to your kids folks. Some don't want to sit on the bench, some don't want to leave home, some are looking for a specific program. Please stop pressuring them into a college for name value, it's there lives- not yours. Enjoy watching them play if they are lucky enough to play, it's a wonderful experience!

Don't disagree. The flip side though, where kids do choose to go to a top academic school (and yes there are such things) and play lax at a very high level, keeps getting bashed on here. The implication is made by some that these kids r somehow "just dumb lax players" and somehow don't belong at these schools etc. Might be true in some cases, but not the majority. It is usually from jealous people who need to be called out for it. It's great if the right fit for your daughter is a D2 lax program and academic situation. It is also great if your daughter has the academic ambition and ability to go along with the lax ability to play at Princeton, don't you think? There is a difference between Princeton and D2 U, whether you want to admit that or not. It will be very safe bet that the D1 programs that your daughter rejected in favor of her D2 choice were not the as you put it the "name brand" schools listed above. So stop comparing apples and oranges.

Of course there is a difference between Princeton and D2, and nobody is comparing. The academic fit should certainly be considered before the lacrosse fit. Keep in mind some think their children are smarter than they are, just like some think their kid is a better athlete than they are. That being said lets be honest- do you know where your doctor graduated in his class? No- could be a 67 average but she got the degree. You can however look up stats and see how much playing time she got. So the point is if after looking at EVERY offer the STUDENT needs to decides if she/he wants to play, ride the pine and be academically comfortable. Best to you and yours.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I said it before and I will say it again. My kid is going to a top 20 nationally ranked lacrosse school and never even played the game.
So who cares what team your kid plays for or what school looked at her.
How will they do after lacrosse is over??

is ur kid going to a top 20 academic school? who cares if they r going to a top 20 lax school if they r not playing. Tell me they got into Stanford, Duke, NU, ND, Princeton, Penn, Cornell, Hopkins and I'll be impressed. Those r the top 20 lax programs that r also top 20 academically. Otherwise, your point is pointless.

Isn't your point useless according to your own standards because those schools are not all top 20 in the country academically while others are not top 20 lax .

yes they are all top 20 academically. That was exactly the point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A few from our area are all county and LI all american (both 90ish students) had offers from D1 2 and 3 schools. Decided on D2 after visiting campuses- you need to listen to your kids folks. Some don't want to sit on the bench, some don't want to leave home, some are looking for a specific program. Please stop pressuring them into a college for name value, it's there lives- not yours. Enjoy watching them play if they are lucky enough to play, it's a wonderful experience!

Don't disagree. The flip side though, where kids do choose to go to a top academic school (and yes there are such things) and play lax at a very high level, keeps getting bashed on here. The implication is made by some that these kids r somehow "just dumb lax players" and somehow don't belong at these schools etc. Might be true in some cases, but not the majority. It is usually from jealous people who need to be called out for it. It's great if the right fit for your daughter is a D2 lax program and academic situation. It is also great if your daughter has the academic ambition and ability to go along with the lax ability to play at Princeton, don't you think? There is a difference between Princeton and D2 U, whether you want to admit that or not. It will be very safe bet that the D1 programs that your daughter rejected in favor of her D2 choice were not the as you put it the "name brand" schools listed above. So stop comparing apples and oranges.

Of course there is a difference between Princeton and D2, and nobody is comparing. The academic fit should certainly be considered before the lacrosse fit. Keep in mind some think their children are smarter than they are, just like some think their kid is a better athlete than they are. That being said lets be honest- do you know where your doctor graduated in his class? No- could be a 67 average but she got the degree. You can however look up stats and see how much playing time she got. So the point is if after looking at EVERY offer the STUDENT needs to decides if she/he wants to play, ride the pine and be academically comfortable. Best to you and yours.

Some of what you say is correct. Fit is of course important. Again this conversation was started by a guy stating that his daughter is going to a top 20 lax school, but had never played the game, so who cares about what lax kids play. Which by implication is putting down many girls who work very hard to achieve very commendable goals. In addition, it implies that academically, getting into a top 20 lax school without lax is somehow this amazing feat. It is conflating two things that aren't related. It would be very impressive to get into some top 20 lax schools without the advantage of being a great lax player (Stanford, Duke etc.). Others, not so much. So his dig at the great lax players was pretty weak. And his pumping up of his daughter was misplaced. As expected, his daughter did not get into one of the better academic schools in the lax top 20. It is unfortunate that he felt the need to put down all those high achieving girls that did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A few from our area are all county and LI all american (both 90ish students) had offers from D1 2 and 3 schools. Decided on D2 after visiting campuses- you need to listen to your kids folks. Some don't want to sit on the bench, some don't want to leave home, some are looking for a specific program. Please stop pressuring them into a college for name value, it's there lives- not yours. Enjoy watching them play if they are lucky enough to play, it's a wonderful experience!

Don't disagree. The flip side though, where kids do choose to go to a top academic school (and yes there are such things) and play lax at a very high level, keeps getting bashed on here. The implication is made by some that these kids r somehow "just dumb lax players" and somehow don't belong at these schools etc. Might be true in some cases, but not the majority. It is usually from jealous people who need to be called out for it. It's great if the right fit for your daughter is a D2 lax program and academic situation. It is also great if your daughter has the academic ambition and ability to go along with the lax ability to play at Princeton, don't you think? There is a difference between Princeton and D2 U, whether you want to admit that or not. It will be very safe bet that the D1 programs that your daughter rejected in favor of her D2 choice were not the as you put it the "name brand" schools listed above. So stop comparing apples and oranges.

Of course there is a difference between Princeton and D2, and nobody is comparing. The academic fit should certainly be considered before the lacrosse fit. Keep in mind some think their children are smarter than they are, just like some think their kid is a better athlete than they are. That being said lets be honest- do you know where your doctor graduated in his class? No- could be a 67 average but she got the degree. You can however look up stats and see how much playing time she got. So the point is if after looking at EVERY offer the STUDENT needs to decides if she/he wants to play, ride the pine and be academically comfortable. Best to you and yours.

Some of what you say is correct. Fit is of course important. Again this conversation was started by a guy stating that his daughter is going to a top 20 lax school, but had never played the game, so who cares about what lax kids play. Which by implication is putting down many girls who work very hard to achieve very commendable goals. In addition, it implies that academically, getting into a top 20 lax school without lax is somehow this amazing feat. It is conflating two things that aren't related. It would be very impressive to get into some top 20 lax schools without the advantage of being a great lax player (Stanford, Duke etc.). Others, not so much. So his dig at the great lax players was pretty weak. And his pumping up of his daughter was misplaced. As expected, his daughter did not get into one of the better academic schools in the lax top 20. It is unfortunate that he felt the need to put down all those high achieving girls that did.

I am not the origanl poster, so I can only guess at his intended meaning, but here is my take on it. I think what he was trying to say is that we as parents posting on this site are making way more out of our daughters lacrosse skills in choosing, or being accepted into a school. Lacrosse is a great sport, but is not at all the mesuring stick that we should be judging our kids by. Being a good lacrosse player could open doors that night not have been acceptable to you daughter, and that is wonderful, but if the oppertuinity is not taken advantage of by the student, than a degree from a school will only go so far. A deploma with Duke, Penn, JHU..... might be enough to land you a job, but if the rigors of the lacrosse schedule does not allow you to concentrate on academics as much as a non athlete than holding that job may not be as easy, and you might get passed by by someone that went to a less prestigious university. It is well known that all schools, regardless of the name will push through an athlete that probably would not be considered, and coaches will continue to push for a better grades for that athlete from there professors (who lets be honest, don't really care, there getting paid anyway), or by letting the athlete take easier class loads to accommodate the lacrosse schedule. So in summation, I think the poster was reall asking is it really worth bragging about your daughters admittance to a to 20 lax or academic school when in reality there just to play the sport? It's also common knowlege that most top 20 studs coach at what most here would consider lesser schools not because of the love of the game, rather because when there playing career is over they then choose to persue their intended major at an additional cost. Just my take on it

Does anyone with actual experience know if any professors actually push through student athletes?? I'm so tired of reading this without anyone personally experiencing it! I know athletes get first selection of classes but inflated grades? Let's hear from a student or parent WITH PERSONAL experience or better yet a professor! Let's hear from those who did not get any leeway too! Should be interesting;)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone with actual experience know if any professors actually push through student athletes?? I'm so tired of reading this without anyone personally experiencing it! I know athletes get first selection of classes but inflated grades? Let's hear from a student or parent WITH PERSONAL experience or better yet a professor! Let's hear from those who did not get any leeway too! Should be interesting;)

Google UNC students grade manipulation - 18 years worth of scandals regarding grades for student athletes and I'm sure it wasn't only happening at UNC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I said it before and I will say it again. My kid is going to a top 20 nationally ranked lacrosse school and never even played the game.
So who cares what team your kid plays for or what school looked at her.
How will they do after lacrosse is over??

is ur kid going to a top 20 academic school? who cares if they r going to a top 20 lax school if they r not playing. Tell me they got into Stanford, Duke, NU, ND, Princeton, Penn, Cornell, Hopkins and I'll be impressed. Those r the top 20 lax programs that r also top 20 academically. Otherwise, your point is pointless.

Isn't your point useless according to your own standards because those schools are not all top 20 in the country academically while others are not top 20 lax .

yes they are all top 20 academically. That was exactly the point.

Top 20 according to who ? If you are going to use US News be prepared to be wrong . They have about 80 schools in the top 20 lol.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I said it before and I will say it again. My kid is going to a top 20 nationally ranked lacrosse school and never even played the game.
So who cares what team your kid plays for or what school looked at her.
How will they do after lacrosse is over??

is ur kid going to a top 20 academic school? who cares if they r going to a top 20 lax school if they r not playing. Tell me they got into Stanford, Duke, NU, ND, Princeton, Penn, Cornell, Hopkins and I'll be impressed. Those r the top 20 lax programs that r also top 20 academically. Otherwise, your point is pointless.

Isn't your point useless according to your own standards because those schools are not all top 20 in the country academically while others are not top 20 lax .

yes they are all top 20 academically. That was exactly the point.

Top 20 according to who ? If you are going to use US News be prepared to be wrong . They have about 80 schools in the top 20 lol.

Ok smarty pants, which one do u think is not of the ones listed above?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A few from our area are all county and LI all american (both 90ish students) had offers from D1 2 and 3 schools. Decided on D2 after visiting campuses- you need to listen to your kids folks. Some don't want to sit on the bench, some don't want to leave home, some are looking for a specific program. Please stop pressuring them into a college for name value, it's there lives- not yours. Enjoy watching them play if they are lucky enough to play, it's a wonderful experience!

Don't disagree. The flip side though, where kids do choose to go to a top academic school (and yes there are such things) and play lax at a very high level, keeps getting bashed on here. The implication is made by some that these kids r somehow "just dumb lax players" and somehow don't belong at these schools etc. Might be true in some cases, but not the majority. It is usually from jealous people who need to be called out for it. It's great if the right fit for your daughter is a D2 lax program and academic situation. It is also great if your daughter has the academic ambition and ability to go along with the lax ability to play at Princeton, don't you think? There is a difference between Princeton and D2 U, whether you want to admit that or not. It will be very safe bet that the D1 programs that your daughter rejected in favor of her D2 choice were not the as you put it the "name brand" schools listed above. So stop comparing apples and oranges.

Of course there is a difference between Princeton and D2, and nobody is comparing. The academic fit should certainly be considered before the lacrosse fit. Keep in mind some think their children are smarter than they are, just like some think their kid is a better athlete than they are. That being said lets be honest- do you know where your doctor graduated in his class? No- could be a 67 average but she got the degree. You can however look up stats and see how much playing time she got. So the point is if after looking at EVERY offer the STUDENT needs to decides if she/he wants to play, ride the pine and be academically comfortable. Best to you and yours.

Some of what you say is correct. Fit is of course important. Again this conversation was started by a guy stating that his daughter is going to a top 20 lax school, but had never played the game, so who cares about what lax kids play. Which by implication is putting down many girls who work very hard to achieve very commendable goals. In addition, it implies that academically, getting into a top 20 lax school without lax is somehow this amazing feat. It is conflating two things that aren't related. It would be very impressive to get into some top 20 lax schools without the advantage of being a great lax player (Stanford, Duke etc.). Others, not so much. So his dig at the great lax players was pretty weak. And his pumping up of his daughter was misplaced. As expected, his daughter did not get into one of the better academic schools in the lax top 20. It is unfortunate that he felt the need to put down all those high achieving girls that did.

I am not the origanl poster, so I can only guess at his intended meaning, but here is my take on it. I think what he was trying to say is that we as parents posting on this site are making way more out of our daughters lacrosse skills in choosing, or being accepted into a school. Lacrosse is a great sport, but is not at all the mesuring stick that we should be judging our kids by. Being a good lacrosse player could open doors that night not have been acceptable to you daughter, and that is wonderful, but if the oppertuinity is not taken advantage of by the student, than a degree from a school will only go so far. A deploma with Duke, Penn, JHU..... might be enough to land you a job, but if the rigors of the lacrosse schedule does not allow you to concentrate on academics as much as a non athlete than holding that job may not be as easy, and you might get passed by by someone that went to a less prestigious university. It is well known that all schools, regardless of the name will push through an athlete that probably would not be considered, and coaches will continue to push for a better grades for that athlete from there professors (who lets be honest, don't really care, there getting paid anyway), or by letting the athlete take easier class loads to accommodate the lacrosse schedule. So in summation, I think the poster was reall asking is it really worth bragging about your daughters admittance to a to 20 lax or academic school when in reality there just to play the sport? It's also common knowlege that most top 20 studs coach at what most here would consider lesser schools not because of the love of the game, rather because when there playing career is over they then choose to persue their intended major at an additional cost. Just my take on it

And of course you just did it again. So all the kids that go to top 20 lax schools, including the ones at Princeton Stanford Duke Northwestern etc, are just there to play the sport. And they all get handed better grades and take easy courses. This constant theme put forth by those of you who actually don't know, gets old. Are you jealous or something? Do you know that the top two-way midfielder at NU is an engineering major? Do you know that the top two-way midfielder at ND is pre-med? and there are many many more examples that i won't go thru. you can go look for yourself. So don't say that is just a couple. There are tons. And the vast majority of girls going to these top academic and lax schools will not only get good jobs out of college, but will succeed in them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I said it before and I will say it again. My kid is going to a top 20 nationally ranked lacrosse school and never even played the game.
So who cares what team your kid plays for or what school looked at her.
How will they do after lacrosse is over??

is ur kid going to a top 20 academic school? who cares if they r going to a top 20 lax school if they r not playing. Tell me they got into Stanford, Duke, NU, ND, Princeton, Penn, Cornell, Hopkins and I'll be impressed. Those r the top 20 lax programs that r also top 20 academically. Otherwise, your point is pointless.

Isn't your point useless according to your own standards because those schools are not all top 20 in the country academically while others are not top 20 lax .

yes they are all top 20 academically. That was exactly the point.

Top 20 according to who ? If you are going to use US News be prepared to be wrong . They have about 80 schools in the top 20 lol.

Ok smarty pants, which one do u think is not of the ones listed above?

That's kind of my point, there are some great schools that are not top 20. Depending on what list you look at. There are schools like Williams, Amherst, United States Military Academy etc. that are in my opinion better academically than Cornell, Hopkins ,Duke.( not a knock on those schools as they are great schools also) All this nonsense about lax is only four years then you need a job so you have to go to this or that school is being spewed by elitist morons.Depending on your kids interests etc there are many great schools out there and maybe ROI is the most important factor.

If you're going on roi, then Colorado school of mines is the best

What if the kid is a trust fund baby? Really doesn't matter where she goes, right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What if the kid is a trust fund baby? Really doesn't matter where she goes, right?

Again a lot of things to consider. My kid probably could have gone wherever she wanted but Ivy was not really a choice as we fall in that area where we would get zero financial assistance yet do not make enough to have 70,000 a year sitting around especially considering she has siblings.
Wonder what someone would have to make and for how long to catch up if ;student A goes to Ivy for 4 years but gets zero assistance so takes out loans vs the kid who goes into the workforce directly out of high school earning 30000 a year.

I said it before and I will say it again. My kid is going to a top 20 nationally ranked lacrosse school and never even played the game.
So who cares what team your kid plays for or what school looked at her.
How will they do after lacrosse is over??[/quote]

That's kind of my point, there are some great schools that are not top 20. Depending on what list you look at. There are schools like Williams, Amherst, United States Military Academy etc. that are in my opinion better academically than Cornell, Hopkins ,Duke.( not a knock on those schools as they are great schools also) All this nonsense about lax is only four years then you need a job so you have to go to this or that school is being spewed by elitist morons.Depending on your kids interests etc there are many great schools out there and maybe ROI is the most important factor.[/quote]

We are talking about lax programs w D1 lax and matching that up with great schools. If you want to include D3, of course Williams, Amherst etc would be there. And that's pretty darn elitist as well. And if it's ROI u want, assuming these are pretty good bets. But ROI might mean more than just financial return.

Here are the 2017 top 20 National Universities as ranked by US News.

Looks like 16 of the 20 have Division 1 programs. I am sure that the majority of girls playing lacrosse at these schools are getting a great education and that the future is bright as long as they continue to work hard.

1. Princeton University

2. Harvard University

3. University of Chicago

3. Yale University

5. Columbia University

5. Stanford University

7. Massachusetts Institute of Technology

8. Duke University

8. University of Pennsylvania

10. Johns Hopkins University

11. Dartmouth College

12. California Institute of Technology

12. Northwestern University

14. Brown University

15. Cornell University

15. Rice University

15. University of Notre Dame

15. Vanderbilt University

19. Washington University in St. Louis

20. Emory University

20. Georgetown University

20. University of California-Berkeley

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here are the 2017 top 20 National Universities as ranked by US News.

Looks like 16 of the 20 have Division 1 programs. I am sure that the majority of girls playing lacrosse at these schools are getting a great education and that the future is bright as long as they continue to work hard.

1. Princeton University

2. Harvard University

3. University of Chicago

3. Yale University

5. Columbia University

5. Stanford University

7. Massachusetts Institute of Technology

8. Duke University

8. University of Pennsylvania

10. Johns Hopkins University

11. Dartmouth College

12. California Institute of Technology

12. Northwestern University

14. Brown University

15. Cornell University

15. Rice University

15. University of Notre Dame

15. Vanderbilt University

19. Washington University in St. Louis

20. Emory University

20. Georgetown University

20. University of California-Berkeley

THANK YOU! That is the point. These young women are amazing.

The best 25 schools based on return on investment as reported by Forbes
School average starting salary
1.Harvey Mudd 66,800
2.Califorinia Institute of tech 67,400
3.NYU Poly 56,800
4.MIT 68,400
5.SUNY Maritime (in state) 59,000
6.Colorado School of Mines (in state) 64,200
7.SUNY Maritime (out of state) 59,000
8.Colorado School of Mines (out of state) 64,200
9.Stevens Inst. of tech. 60,900
10.Stanford 58,200
11.Georgia Inst. of tech (in state) 59,000
12.Rose -Hulman Inst. of tech 62,300
13.Claremont Mckenna 49,600
14.Harvard 50,700
15.worcester Poly does not state
16.Mass. Maritime Academy (in state) 50,900
17.Georgia Inst. of tech (out of state) 59,000
18.Santa Clara 50,600
19.Dartmouth 54,100
20.Mass. Maritime Academy (out of state) 50,900
21.Rensselaer 59,500
22.Williams 53,600
23.Notre Dame 53,400
24.Princeton 58,300
25.Babson 56,300

Are these kids just as great? or do you need lacrosse to be considered great by you?
If you notice you have to get to #10 to get a top 20 Lacrosse school, and there are only 4 on the whole list, so maybe yourbanging on your chest more about your daughters lacrosse ability then her intelligence, otherwise she would be going to one of these schools.

You get out of school what you put into it. You can go to a great school and maximize the opportunity. On the contrary you can go to an average school and maximize all of it. Will you get a job ahead of the top ten school grad, maybe not. But I am a firm believer that hard work over time will always win. It is a marathon, not a sprint.

It comes down to one thing...GRIT(read the book)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I said it before and I will say it again. My kid is going to a top 20 nationally ranked lacrosse school and never even played the game.
So who cares what team your kid plays for or what school looked at her.
How will they do after lacrosse is over??

That's kind of my point, there are some great schools that are not top 20. Depending on what list you look at. There are schools like Williams, Amherst, United States Military Academy etc. that are in my opinion better academically than Cornell, Hopkins ,Duke.( not a knock on those schools as they are great schools also) All this nonsense about lax is only four years then you need a job so you have to go to this or that school is being spewed by elitist morons.Depending on your kids interests etc there are many great schools out there and maybe ROI is the most important factor.[/quote]

We are talking about lax programs w D1 lax and matching that up with great schools. If you want to include D3, of course Williams, Amherst etc would be there. And that's pretty darn elitist as well. And if it's ROI u want, assuming these are pretty good bets. But ROI might mean more than just financial return. [/quote]

Is your daughter playing there? Or she happens to go to a school with a top 20 lacrosse program?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best 25 schools based on return on investment as reported by Forbes
School average starting salary
1.Harvey Mudd 66,800
2.Califorinia Institute of tech 67,400
3.NYU Poly 56,800
4.MIT 68,400
5.SUNY Maritime (in state) 59,000
6.Colorado School of Mines (in state) 64,200
7.SUNY Maritime (out of state) 59,000
8.Colorado School of Mines (out of state) 64,200
9.Stevens Inst. of tech. 60,900
10.Stanford 58,200
11.Georgia Inst. of tech (in state) 59,000
12.Rose -Hulman Inst. of tech 62,300
13.Claremont Mckenna 49,600
14.Harvard 50,700
15.worcester Poly does not state
16.Mass. Maritime Academy (in state) 50,900
17.Georgia Inst. of tech (out of state) 59,000
18.Santa Clara 50,600
19.Dartmouth 54,100
20.Mass. Maritime Academy (out of state) 50,900
21.Rensselaer 59,500
22.Williams 53,600
23.Notre Dame 53,400
24.Princeton 58,300
25.Babson 56,300

Are these kids just as great? or do you need lacrosse to be considered great by you?
If you notice you have to get to #10 to get a top 20 Lacrosse school, and there are only 4 on the whole list, so maybe yourbanging on your chest more about your daughters lacrosse ability then her intelligence, otherwise she would be going to one of these schools.

This is a lacrosse website you potato head . If your kid goes to one of those schools but doesn't play lacross then who cares.

I didn't think my simple post could be taken so many different ways.
My point was this...My oldest started college this season at a top 20 nationally ranked lacrosse school. Many of her friends that don't play lacrosse or any other sport are going to a lot of the same schools that are listed as verbal commits on elite lacrosse websites.
Those kids listed on those sites would probably go to those same schools whether they played lacrosse or not.
So when you hear about some kids playing at a top academic school it's probably not the lacrosse that got them there but more likely their SAT scores and money.

If my kid does play for one of these great top 20 lacrosse and academic schools you would care? If so why?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best 25 schools based on return on investment as reported by Forbes
School average starting salary
1.Harvey Mudd 66,800
2.Califorinia Institute of tech 67,400
3.NYU Poly 56,800
4.MIT 68,400
5.SUNY Maritime (in state) 59,000
6.Colorado School of Mines (in state) 64,200
7.SUNY Maritime (out of state) 59,000
8.Colorado School of Mines (out of state) 64,200
9.Stevens Inst. of tech. 60,900
10.Stanford 58,200
11.Georgia Inst. of tech (in state) 59,000
12.Rose -Hulman Inst. of tech 62,300
13.Claremont Mckenna 49,600
14.Harvard 50,700
15.worcester Poly does not state
16.Mass. Maritime Academy (in state) 50,900
17.Georgia Inst. of tech (out of state) 59,000
18.Santa Clara 50,600
19.Dartmouth 54,100
20.Mass. Maritime Academy (out of state) 50,900
21.Rensselaer 59,500
22.Williams 53,600
23.Notre Dame 53,400
24.Princeton 58,300
25.Babson 56,300

Are these kids just as great? or do you need lacrosse to be considered great by you?
If you notice you have to get to #10 to get a top 20 Lacrosse school, and there are only 4 on the whole list, so maybe yourbanging on your chest more about your daughters lacrosse ability then her intelligence, otherwise she would be going to one of these schools.

You go on and keep missing the point if you want. Love to see your kid get into Cal Tech, MIT or Harvey Mudd. Then come talk to me. Who is arguing with those being great schools? This is a lacrosse forum you moron. And people on here, mostly out of jealously, try to put kids down who get into top lax AND academic schools. I don't know why. So I guess keep making yourself fell better if you have to. Must be disappointed in your kid or something but if it makes you feel better. Feel sorry for her. Really.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I didn't think my simple post could be taken so many different ways.
My point was this...My oldest started college this season at a top 20 nationally ranked lacrosse school. Many of her friends that don't play lacrosse or any other sport are going to a lot of the same schools that are listed as verbal commits on elite lacrosse websites.
Those kids listed on those sites would probably go to those same schools whether they played lacrosse or not.
So when you hear about some kids playing at a top academic school it's probably not the lacrosse that got them there but more likely their SAT scores and money.

This was your original post
"I said it before and I will say it again. My kid is going to a top 20 nationally ranked lacrosse school and never even played the game.
So who cares what team your kid plays for or what school looked at her.
How will they do after lacrosse is over??"
Very different tone and point than your last one above. But glad you've come around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best 25 schools based on return on investment as reported by Forbes
School average starting salary
1.Harvey Mudd 66,800
2.Califorinia Institute of tech 67,400
3.NYU Poly 56,800
4.MIT 68,400
5.SUNY Maritime (in state) 59,000
6.Colorado School of Mines (in state) 64,200
7.SUNY Maritime (out of state) 59,000
8.Colorado School of Mines (out of state) 64,200
9.Stevens Inst. of tech. 60,900
10.Stanford 58,200
11.Georgia Inst. of tech (in state) 59,000
12.Rose -Hulman Inst. of tech 62,300
13.Claremont Mckenna 49,600
14.Harvard 50,700
15.worcester Poly does not state
16.Mass. Maritime Academy (in state) 50,900
17.Georgia Inst. of tech (out of state) 59,000
18.Santa Clara 50,600
19.Dartmouth 54,100
20.Mass. Maritime Academy (out of state) 50,900
21.Rensselaer 59,500
22.Williams 53,600
23.Notre Dame 53,400
24.Princeton 58,300
25.Babson 56,300

Are these kids just as great? or do you need lacrosse to be considered great by you?
If you notice you have to get to #10 to get a top 20 Lacrosse school, and there are only 4 on the whole list, so maybe yourbanging on your chest more about your daughters lacrosse ability then her intelligence, otherwise she would be going to one of these schools.

This is a lacrosse website you potato head . If your kid goes to one of those schools but doesn't play lacross then who cares.

most of these schools do have lacrosse, where lots of kids play, so are those kids as special as your little super star even though they play DII or DIII but are getting a better chance at making a good living as soon as they graduate? do they work just as hard, on and off the field even though they are not at a "lacrosse school" or in your elitist opinion do only the kids that go to your anointed top schools only deserve praise? Your right potato head, this is a lacrosse web site so lets talk about the game of lacrosse and not about how YOU think some schools, and some kids are better than others. this is a TG thread and you want to talk about how your kid is better because she goes to NU? No one cares! let the TG parents talk about there club without you sticking your nose in or giving your unsolicited opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I didn't think my simple post could be taken so many different ways.
My point was this...My oldest started college this season at a top 20 nationally ranked lacrosse school. Many of her friends that don't play lacrosse or any other sport are going to a lot of the same schools that are listed as verbal commits on elite lacrosse websites.
Those kids listed on those sites would probably go to those same schools whether they played lacrosse or not.
So when you hear about some kids playing at a top academic school it's probably not the lacrosse that got them there but more likely their SAT scores and money.

pay attention people...The poster never said his kid plays lacrosse at a top 20 lax school. He only said his kid attends a top 20 lax school.

"Potato head" - that one made me laugh, thanks.

Why is this on Top Guns. Move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is this on Top Guns. Move on.

because there's nothing to talk about regarding tg, so this give you some reason to check the thread

I would rather silence, than the nonsense thats been going on.

Will there still be 3 teams for 2021? I heard most girls didn't accept the spot on White, so what happens to the rest that said yes?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will there still be 3 teams for 2021? I heard most girls didn't accept the spot on White, so what happens to the rest that said yes?

They make two huge teams of 25 or 26 girls like they did with 2018

the more the merrier...just think how many new lax moms and dads you get to know on the sidelines!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will there still be 3 teams for 2021? I heard most girls didn't accept the spot on White, so what happens to the rest that said yes?

They make two huge teams of 25 or 26 girls like they did with 2018

They did that with 2017 purple and never told parents until after checks were cashed. The following year 10 girls left. Look for clubs with 1 team per age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will there still be 3 teams for 2021? I heard most girls didn't accept the spot on White, so what happens to the rest that said yes?

Call TG and ask them.

too afraid of coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will there still be 3 teams for 2021? I heard most girls didn't accept the spot on White, so what happens to the rest that said yes?

Call TG and ask them.

They won't answer until they are done counting money

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will there still be 3 teams for 2021? I heard most girls didn't accept the spot on White, so what happens to the rest that said yes?

Call TG and ask them.

Heard they only have 1 goalie out of the "3" teams, and that many on white and purple didn't take the invite, but they are filling purple with girls from West Islip who didn't even attend tryouts. Even the black roster is a mess as girls the 6 Elevate girls who they offered spots to didn't all pay their first payment yet. Probably waiting until after YJ tryouts. Feel sorry for those girls at 2021 over at TG, total mess. What they are doing and the shuffling isn't fair to the girls who tried out and who have been with the program for the last few years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will there still be 3 teams for 2021? I heard most girls didn't accept the spot on White, so what happens to the rest that said yes?

Call TG and ask them.

Heard they only have 1 goalie out of the "3" teams, and that many on white and purple didn't take the invite, but they are filling purple with girls from West Islip who didn't even attend tryouts. Even the black roster is a mess as girls the 6 Elevate girls who they offered spots to didn't all pay their first payment yet. Probably waiting until after YJ tryouts. Feel sorry for those girls at 2021 over at TG, total mess. What they are doing and the shuffling isn't fair to the girls who tried out and who have been with the program for the last few years.

If the Smiths cared, this wouldn't have happened. Since they don't, this is what you get. 4th straight year of girls leaving. Great business model

What the heck is going on w the 2019 college commits at this age .It just does not make sense that so few at this point are committed .I get that it's still early but a lot of schools are either already done at this age or finishing up and have little to no scholarship left .Not the best team in the age group but as they say the college coaches recruit players not teams , along those lines it seems the 2020 group is doing well and they are really even a weaker team .Are a lot of the 19's looking at slower moving schools that give little to no athletic money like the Ivies etc . I know it sounds harsh but really just curious as my daughter will be there in a couple years .

Yeah because they are staying with elevate.

maybe its not a strong class for TG?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What the heck is going on w the 2019 college commits at this age .It just does not make sense that so few at this point are committed .I get that it's still early but a lot of schools are either already done at this age or finishing up and have little to no scholarship left .Not the best team in the age group but as they say the college coaches recruit players not teams , along those lines it seems the 2020 group is doing well and they are really even a weaker team .Are a lot of the 19's looking at slower moving schools that give little to no athletic money like the Ivies etc . I know it sounds harsh but really just curious as my daughter will be there in a couple years .

Top Guns have no college connections anymore in respect to recruiting. The person who had the main college contacts at the big schools has left a few years ago. They are feeling the effects of this now. SS has a conflict of interest, and when BS calls (or says he calls) he is probably laughed at as he really doesn't know lacrosse. He puts on a good show, because he's been around it. But realistically no bueno.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What the heck is going on w the 2019 college commits at this age .It just does not make sense that so few at this point are committed .I get that it's still early but a lot of schools are either already done at this age or finishing up and have little to no scholarship left .Not the best team in the age group but as they say the college coaches recruit players not teams , along those lines it seems the 2020 group is doing well and they are really even a weaker team .Are a lot of the 19's looking at slower moving schools that give little to no athletic money like the Ivies etc . I know it sounds harsh but really just curious as my daughter will be there in a couple years .

Maybe the 2019s are taking their time and really researching schools to find the best fit for their child and not just jumping at the 1st school that offers them anything because of the "name of the school. Saying you're going to a Md, UNC or other big schools sounds great but if you're just on the sideline and not playing doesn't really mean much. Being a schools top recruit and being the bottom recruit certainly have different meanings!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What the heck is going on w the 2019 college commits at this age .It just does not make sense that so few at this point are committed .I get that it's still early but a lot of schools are either already done at this age or finishing up and have little to no scholarship left .Not the best team in the age group but as they say the college coaches recruit players not teams , along those lines it seems the 2020 group is doing well and they are really even a weaker team .Are a lot of the 19's looking at slower moving schools that give little to no athletic money like the Ivies etc . I know it sounds harsh but really just curious as my daughter will be there in a couple years .

Maybe the 2019s are taking their time and really researching schools to find the best fit for their child and not just jumping at the 1st school that offers them anything because of the "name of the school. Saying you're going to a Md, UNC or other big schools sounds great but if you're just on the sideline and not playing doesn't really mean much. Being a schools top recruit and being the bottom recruit certainly have different meanings!!

So what u r saying is that tg 2019 has no kids w the ability to be a top (or even mid-tier) recruit at a top 25 program. Well that deosn't say much for the program I guess.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What the heck is going on w the 2019 college commits at this age .It just does not make sense that so few at this point are committed .I get that it's still early but a lot of schools are either already done at this age or finishing up and have little to no scholarship left .Not the best team in the age group but as they say the college coaches recruit players not teams , along those lines it seems the 2020 group is doing well and they are really even a weaker team .Are a lot of the 19's looking at slower moving schools that give little to no athletic money like the Ivies etc . I know it sounds harsh but really just curious as my daughter will be there in a couple years .

Maybe the 2019s are taking their time and really researching schools to find the best fit for their child and not just jumping at the 1st school that offers them anything because of the "name of the school. Saying you're going to a Md, UNC or other big schools sounds great but if you're just on the sideline and not playing doesn't really mean much. Being a schools top recruit and being the bottom recruit certainly have different meanings!!

That honestly makes no sense. First if you are a schools bottom recruit they are not really going to offer you anything. Second seems unlikely that the "taking your time and researching" etc approach would be adopted by such a large segment of the team. That said its as good an explanation as any.The other possible reasons makes no sense either as the 2019 team is better and has more talent than the 2020 but they seem to be keeping pace with other clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What the heck is going on w the 2019 college commits at this age .It just does not make sense that so few at this point are committed .I get that it's still early but a lot of schools are either already done at this age or finishing up and have little to no scholarship left .Not the best team in the age group but as they say the college coaches recruit players not teams , along those lines it seems the 2020 group is doing well and they are really even a weaker team .Are a lot of the 19's looking at slower moving schools that give little to no athletic money like the Ivies etc . I know it sounds harsh but really just curious as my daughter will be there in a couple years .

Maybe the 2019s are taking their time and really researching schools to find the best fit for their child and not just jumping at the 1st school that offers them anything because of the "name of the school. Saying you're going to a Md, UNC or other big schools sounds great but if you're just on the sideline and not playing doesn't really mean much. Being a schools top recruit and being the bottom recruit certainly have different meanings!!

So what u r saying is that tg 2019 has no kids w the ability to be a top (or even mid-tier) recruit at a top 25 program. Well that deosn't say much for the program I guess.

I am not saying that at all! 2019 has PLENTY of great talent that has and will end up at great schools. However, like all teams not everyone is a "top 20" player, My point was that kids that are NOT necessarily the top talent might not be jumping so quickly to go to a a school just because they offer them something. You have to look at the big picture. There is a big difference between "being" on a team and being an important part of a team. I don't think any kid wants to go to a school where they are going to stand on the sideline for 4 years when there maybe a school where they can see field time and make an impact. Look at college sidelines - tons of kids and only probably 12-15 really see consistent playing time. Doing research gives your child the best chance at success both athletically and academically.

your points are well thought out and make sense.

Parents need to wake up and realize it's not the talent of their girls, the parents work very hard getting their girls trained in the off season (TG parents work twice as hard as other travel families in making their own arrangements for their daughters training). The club is unable to keep up with their recruiting obligations for these girls because the bridges that the Smith family has burned in regards to college recruiting. Why do you think there has been such a talent bleed from their program to YJ and other programs. The families of many 2020's saw this developing and left, and now the talented from 2021 are seeing it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Parents need to wake up and realize it's not the talent of their girls, the parents work very hard getting their girls trained in the off season (TG parents work twice as hard as other travel families in making their own arrangements for their daughters training). The club is unable to keep up with their recruiting obligations for these girls because the bridges that the Smith family has burned in regards to college recruiting. Why do you think there has been such a talent bleed from their program to YJ and other programs. The families of many 2020's saw this developing and left, and now the talented from 2021 are seeing it.

It's true. Unless SS wants your daughter to play at Hofstra TG does nothing for the girls. 2017 girls were the first group to realize this, parents and girls called the "directors" on many occasions and never received guidance. The smart ones left and the rest of us stayed because we thought it was too late to make a move. Wrong! And some who are committed received less than $5000, and won't see the field (that's IF they are academically eligible to play. RUN don't walk to another team. Unless you're happy - and good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What the heck is going on w the 2019 college commits at this age .It just does not make sense that so few at this point are committed .I get that it's still early but a lot of schools are either already done at this age or finishing up and have little to no scholarship left .Not the best team in the age group but as they say the college coaches recruit players not teams , along those lines it seems the 2020 group is doing well and they are really even a weaker team .Are a lot of the 19's looking at slower moving schools that give little to no athletic money like the Ivies etc . I know it sounds harsh but really just curious as my daughter will be there in a couple years .

Maybe the 2019s are taking their time and really researching schools to find the best fit for their child and not just jumping at the 1st school that offers them anything because of the "name of the school. Saying you're going to a Md, UNC or other big schools sounds great but if you're just on the sideline and not playing doesn't really mean much. Being a schools top recruit and being the bottom recruit certainly have different meanings!!

So what u r saying is that tg 2019 has no kids w the ability to be a top (or even mid-tier) recruit at a top 25 program. Well that deosn't say much for the program I guess.

I am not saying that at all! 2019 has PLENTY of great talent that has and will end up at great schools. However, like all teams not everyone is a "top 20" player, My point was that kids that are NOT necessarily the top talent might not be jumping so quickly to go to a a school just because they offer them something. You have to look at the big picture. There is a big difference between "being" on a team and being an important part of a team. I don't think any kid wants to go to a school where they are going to stand on the sideline for 4 years when there maybe a school where they can see field time and make an impact. Look at college sidelines - tons of kids and only probably 12-15 really see consistent playing time. Doing research gives your child the best chance at success both athletically and academically.

So now you are saying that all the kids who are not starting/playing a ton on teams all made a mistake? So more than half the kids going to these schools made a mistake? You are incorrect that the only calculus is playing time. Some kids and their families actually make the calculation that other things are more important.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What the heck is going on w the 2019 college commits at this age .It just does not make sense that so few at this point are committed .I get that it's still early but a lot of schools are either already done at this age or finishing up and have little to no scholarship left .Not the best team in the age group but as they say the college coaches recruit players not teams , along those lines it seems the 2020 group is doing well and they are really even a weaker team .Are a lot of the 19's looking at slower moving schools that give little to no athletic money like the Ivies etc . I know it sounds harsh but really just curious as my daughter will be there in a couple years .

Maybe the 2019s are taking their time and really researching schools to find the best fit for their child and not just jumping at the 1st school that offers them anything because of the "name of the school. Saying you're going to a Md, UNC or other big schools sounds great but if you're just on the sideline and not playing doesn't really mean much. Being a schools top recruit and being the bottom recruit certainly have different meanings!!

So what u r saying is that tg 2019 has no kids w the ability to be a top (or even mid-tier) recruit at a top 25 program. Well that deosn't say much for the program I guess.

I am not saying that at all! 2019 has PLENTY of great talent that has and will end up at great schools. However, like all teams not everyone is a "top 20" player, My point was that kids that are NOT necessarily the top talent might not be jumping so quickly to go to a a school just because they offer them something. You have to look at the big picture. There is a big difference between "being" on a team and being an important part of a team. I don't think any kid wants to go to a school where they are going to stand on the sideline for 4 years when there maybe a school where they can see field time and make an impact. Look at college sidelines - tons of kids and only probably 12-15 really see consistent playing time. Doing research gives your child the best chance at success both athletically and academically.

Sorry but do all the research you want you will still have no idea how much playing time your 2019 kid will get in most college programs especially the top 30 lax programs.Sounds like an excuse for kids who may be struggling to get descent offers.If schools are making these kids decent offers then those schools obviously believe these kids will play and aren't they a better judge of who will see playing time at their program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Parents need to wake up and realize it's not the talent of their girls, the parents work very hard getting their girls trained in the off season (TG parents work twice as hard as other travel families in making their own arrangements for their daughters training). The club is unable to keep up with their recruiting obligations for these girls because the bridges that the Smith family has burned in regards to college recruiting. Why do you think there has been such a talent bleed from their program to YJ and other programs. The families of many 2020's saw this developing and left, and now the talented from 2021 are seeing it.

I know of 4 2018 girls that left and were contacted by college coaches almost immediately after leaving. Girls were by asked by coaches why they never called and none had received anything from TG. Coaches emails to BS were never forwarded or he didn't return the coaches calls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What the heck is going on w the 2019 college commits at this age .It just does not make sense that so few at this point are committed .I get that it's still early but a lot of schools are either already done at this age or finishing up and have little to no scholarship left .Not the best team in the age group but as they say the college coaches recruit players not teams , along those lines it seems the 2020 group is doing well and they are really even a weaker team .Are a lot of the 19's looking at slower moving schools that give little to no athletic money like the Ivies etc . I know it sounds harsh but really just curious as my daughter will be there in a couple years .

Maybe the 2019s are taking their time and really researching schools to find the best fit for their child and not just jumping at the 1st school that offers them anything because of the "name of the school. Saying you're going to a Md, UNC or other big schools sounds great but if you're just on the sideline and not playing doesn't really mean much. Being a schools top recruit and being the bottom recruit certainly have different meanings!!

So what u r saying is that tg 2019 has no kids w the ability to be a top (or even mid-tier) recruit at a top 25 program. Well that deosn't say much for the program I guess.

I am not saying that at all! 2019 has PLENTY of great talent that has and will end up at great schools. However, like all teams not everyone is a "top 20" player, My point was that kids that are NOT necessarily the top talent might not be jumping so quickly to go to a a school just because they offer them something. You have to look at the big picture. There is a big difference between "being" on a team and being an important part of a team. I don't think any kid wants to go to a school where they are going to stand on the sideline for 4 years when there maybe a school where they can see field time and make an impact. Look at college sidelines - tons of kids and only probably 12-15 really see consistent playing time. Doing research gives your child the best chance at success both athletically and academically.

So now you are saying that all the kids who are not starting/playing a ton on teams all made a mistake? So more than half the kids going to these schools made a mistake? You are incorrect that the only calculus is playing time. Some kids and their families actually make the calculation that other things are more important.

Yes, I'm sure all those kids spent time and effort to get recruited to play lax because they want to play are very happy sitting on the sideline. You're right lax is only part of the equation but if your kid actually wants to play, then sitting on the sideline is not going to be enough. It's true not all kids care about actually being on the field and if that's the case then you are all set.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What the heck is going on w the 2019 college commits at this age .It just does not make sense that so few at this point are committed .I get that it's still early but a lot of schools are either already done at this age or finishing up and have little to no scholarship left .Not the best team in the age group but as they say the college coaches recruit players not teams , along those lines it seems the 2020 group is doing well and they are really even a weaker team .Are a lot of the 19's looking at slower moving schools that give little to no athletic money like the Ivies etc . I know it sounds harsh but really just curious as my daughter will be there in a couple years .

Maybe the 2019s are taking their time and really researching schools to find the best fit for their child and not just jumping at the 1st school that offers them anything because of the "name of the school. Saying you're going to a Md, UNC or other big schools sounds great but if you're just on the sideline and not playing doesn't really mean much. Being a schools top recruit and being the bottom recruit certainly have different meanings!!

So what u r saying is that tg 2019 has no kids w the ability to be a top (or even mid-tier) recruit at a top 25 program. Well that deosn't say much for the program I guess.

I am not saying that at all! 2019 has PLENTY of great talent that has and will end up at great schools. However, like all teams not everyone is a "top 20" player, My point was that kids that are NOT necessarily the top talent might not be jumping so quickly to go to a a school just because they offer them something. You have to look at the big picture. There is a big difference between "being" on a team and being an important part of a team. I don't think any kid wants to go to a school where they are going to stand on the sideline for 4 years when there maybe a school where they can see field time and make an impact. Look at college sidelines - tons of kids and only probably 12-15 really see consistent playing time. Doing research gives your child the best chance at success both athletically and academically.

So now you are saying that all the kids who are not starting/playing a ton on teams all made a mistake? So more than half the kids going to these schools made a mistake? You are incorrect that the only calculus is playing time. Some kids and their families actually make the calculation that other things are more important.

Yes, I'm sure all those kids spent time and effort to get recruited to play lax because they want to play are very happy sitting on the sideline. You're right lax is only part of the equation but if your kid actually wants to play, then sitting on the sideline is not going to be enough. It's true not all kids care about actually being on the field and if that's the case then you are all set.

Shoot low. Hey, at least you'll play. Gotcha. Why challenge yourself and set high goals and expectations for yourself? That seems ridiculous doesn't it. Sometimes it doesn't work out. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What the heck is going on w the 2019 college commits at this age .It just does not make sense that so few at this point are committed .I get that it's still early but a lot of schools are either already done at this age or finishing up and have little to no scholarship left .Not the best team in the age group but as they say the college coaches recruit players not teams , along those lines it seems the 2020 group is doing well and they are really even a weaker team .Are a lot of the 19's looking at slower moving schools that give little to no athletic money like the Ivies etc . I know it sounds harsh but really just curious as my daughter will be there in a couple years .

Maybe the 2019s are taking their time and really researching schools to find the best fit for their child and not just jumping at the 1st school that offers them anything because of the "name of the school. Saying you're going to a Md, UNC or other big schools sounds great but if you're just on the sideline and not playing doesn't really mean much. Being a schools top recruit and being the bottom recruit certainly have different meanings!!

So what u r saying is that tg 2019 has no kids w the ability to be a top (or even mid-tier) recruit at a top 25 program. Well that deosn't say much for the program I guess.

I am not saying that at all! 2019 has PLENTY of great talent that has and will end up at great schools. However, like all teams not everyone is a "top 20" player, My point was that kids that are NOT necessarily the top talent might not be jumping so quickly to go to a a school just because they offer them something. You have to look at the big picture. There is a big difference between "being" on a team and being an important part of a team. I don't think any kid wants to go to a school where they are going to stand on the sideline for 4 years when there maybe a school where they can see field time and make an impact. Look at college sidelines - tons of kids and only probably 12-15 really see consistent playing time. Doing research gives your child the best chance at success both athletically and academically.

If my kids dream school is Princeton and they get in but never play that would be fine with me, this is why most rosters are loaded with FR and Soph players, If your not playing by the second year move on and enjoy all the college experience has to offer. if lax gets you into the door of your dream school take it and let the chops fall where they may

I heard TG has a 2020 commit to Maryland is this true?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What the heck is going on w the 2019 college commits at this age .It just does not make sense that so few at this point are committed .I get that it's still early but a lot of schools are either already done at this age or finishing up and have little to no scholarship left .Not the best team in the age group but as they say the college coaches recruit players not teams , along those lines it seems the 2020 group is doing well and they are really even a weaker team .Are a lot of the 19's looking at slower moving schools that give little to no athletic money like the Ivies etc . I know it sounds harsh but really just curious as my daughter will be there in a couple years .

Maybe the 2019s are taking their time and really researching schools to find the best fit for their child and not just jumping at the 1st school that offers them anything because of the "name of the school. Saying you're going to a Md, UNC or other big schools sounds great but if you're just on the sideline and not playing doesn't really mean much. Being a schools top recruit and being the bottom recruit certainly have different meanings!!

So what u r saying is that tg 2019 has no kids w the ability to be a top (or even mid-tier) recruit at a top 25 program. Well that deosn't say much for the program I guess.

I am not saying that at all! 2019 has PLENTY of great talent that has and will end up at great schools. However, like all teams not everyone is a "top 20" player, My point was that kids that are NOT necessarily the top talent might not be jumping so quickly to go to a a school just because they offer them something. You have to look at the big picture. There is a big difference between "being" on a team and being an important part of a team. I don't think any kid wants to go to a school where they are going to stand on the sideline for 4 years when there maybe a school where they can see field time and make an impact. Look at college sidelines - tons of kids and only probably 12-15 really see consistent playing time. Doing research gives your child the best chance at success both athletically and academically.

If my kids dream school is Princeton and they get in but never play that would be fine with me, this is why most rosters are loaded with FR and Soph players, If your not playing by the second year move on and enjoy all the college experience has to offer. if lax gets you into the door of your dream school take it and let the chops fall where they may

DING DING DING ... We have a winner!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard TG has a 2020 commit to Maryland is this true?

Yup

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard TG has a 2020 commit to Maryland is this true?

Yup

Congrats!

How can that be. They told me only yja girls can commit that early. I've been all over the country with my superstar and i have'nt gotten any offers yet. With all the training and traveling i'm in for 60k already. Why can't you go to Hofstra like everyone says!!!!
Way to go kid!!!! Nice job TG. Don't listen to that [lacrosse] on YJ putting everyone else down. Keep up the hard work.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How can that be. They told me only yja girls can commit that early. I've been all over the country with my superstar and i have'nt gotten any offers yet. With all the training and traveling i'm in for 60k already. Why can't you go to Hofstra like everyone says!!!!
Way to go kid!!!! Nice job TG. Don't listen to that [lacrosse] on YJ putting everyone else down. Keep up the hard work.

Exactly!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How can that be. They told me only yja girls can commit that early. I've been all over the country with my superstar and i have'nt gotten any offers yet. With all the training and traveling i'm in for 60k already. Why can't you go to Hofstra like everyone says!!!!
Way to go kid!!!! Nice job TG. Don't listen to that [lacrosse] on YJ putting everyone else down. Keep up the hard work.

Exactly!

You two Riverhead/ESM losers need to get a life .First you have a kid who commits to a great school but you can't just congratulate her , you have to make it about YJ . It just shows how truly insecure you are about the fact that you stayed behind when the others left . Do too many TG commit to Hofstra , yes . Is the 2019 group behind other clubs in terms of recruiting , yes . Is the 2020 TG team now the 3rd or 4th best team in the age on LI , yes . Make it about TG not YJ . Congrats to her . Look at the positive , with most of the 2020 top TG players having left the team it gives other kids a chance to be noticed , would that have happened to them if these kids left for YJ , probably not as they would have been buried on the bench or team 2.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]How can that be. They told me only yja girls can commit that early. I've been all over the country with my superstar and i have'nt gotten any offers yet. With all the training and traveling i'm in for 60k already. Why can't you go to Hofstra like everyone says!!!!
Way to go kid!!!! Nice job TG. Don't listen to that [lacrosse] on YJ putting everyone else down. Keep up the hard work.

Exactly! [/quote
You two Riverhead/ESM losers need to get a life .First you have a kid who commits to a great school but you can't just congratulate her , you have to make it about YJ . It just shows how truly insecure you are about the fact that you stayed behind when the others left . Do too many TG commit to Hofstra , yes . Is the 2019 group behind other clubs in terms of recruiting , yes . Is the 2020 TG team now the 3rd or 4th best team in the age on LI , yes . Make it about TG not YJ . Congrats to her . Look at the positive , with most of the 2020 top TG players having left the team it gives other kids a chance to be noticed , would that have happened to them if these kids left for YJ , probably not as they would have been buried on the bench or team 2.

I understand what you're saying but If a kid is truly a good player they shouldn't be "buried" on the bench regardless of who is on the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]How can that be. They told me only yja girls can commit that early. I've been all over the country with my superstar and i have'nt gotten any offers yet. With all the training and traveling i'm in for 60k already. Why can't you go to Hofstra like everyone says!!!!
Way to go kid!!!! Nice job TG. Don't listen to that [lacrosse] on YJ putting everyone else down. Keep up the hard work.

Exactly! [/quote
You two Riverhead/ESM losers need to get a life .First you have a kid who commits to a great school but you can't just congratulate her , you have to make it about YJ . It just shows how truly insecure you are about the fact that you stayed behind when the others left . Do too many TG commit to Hofstra , yes . Is the 2019 group behind other clubs in terms of recruiting , yes . Is the 2020 TG team now the 3rd or 4th best team in the age on LI , yes . Make it about TG not YJ . Congrats to her . Look at the positive , with most of the 2020 top TG players having left the team it gives other kids a chance to be noticed , would that have happened to them if these kids left for YJ , probably not as they would have been buried on the bench or team 2.

I understand what you're saying but If a kid is truly a good player they shouldn't be "buried" on the bench regardless of who is on the team.

I agree, just saying that is the YJ way , they pick who "their " kids are and leave many descent kids out .

Hate to break it to you, happens everywhere...not just talking about girls club lax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How can that be. They told me only yja girls can commit that early. I've been all over the country with my superstar and i have'nt gotten any offers yet. With all the training and traveling i'm in for 60k already. Why can't you go to Hofstra like everyone says!!!!
Way to go kid!!!! Nice job TG. Don't listen to that [lacrosse] on YJ putting everyone else down. Keep up the hard work.

Exactly!

You two Riverhead/ESM losers need to get a life .First you have a kid who commits to a great school but you can't just congratulate her , you have to make it about YJ . It just shows how truly insecure you are about the fact that you stayed behind when the others left . Do too many TG commit to Hofstra , yes . Is the 2019 group behind other clubs in terms of recruiting , yes . Is the 2020 TG team now the 3rd or 4th best team in the age on LI , yes . Make it about TG not YJ . Congrats to her . Look at the positive , with most of the 2020 top TG players having left the team it gives other kids a chance to be noticed , would that have happened to them if these kids left for YJ , probably not as they would have been buried on the bench or team 2.

The reality is only two players that left 2020 black were top players . The one everyone knows is the best player on LI and just recently committed to UNC and the other was bumped to purple and left for leg. All other players from 2020 black that went elsewhere have proven to be role players on their new teams. It is what it is. The 2020 Black team is a good team and from reading all if you constant posts about them...better off without your family polluting the sidelines.

And they look even better by avoiding the competitive tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How can that be. They told me only yja girls can commit that early. I've been all over the country with my superstar and i have'nt gotten any offers yet. With all the training and traveling i'm in for 60k already. Why can't you go to Hofstra like everyone says!!!!
Way to go kid!!!! Nice job TG. Don't listen to that [lacrosse] on YJ putting everyone else down. Keep up the hard work.

Exactly!

You two Riverhead/ESM losers need to get a life .First you have a kid who commits to a great school but you can't just congratulate her , you have to make it about YJ . It just shows how truly insecure you are about the fact that you stayed behind when the others left . Do too many TG commit to Hofstra , yes . Is the 2019 group behind other clubs in terms of recruiting , yes . Is the 2020 TG team now the 3rd or 4th best team in the age on LI , yes . Make it about TG not YJ . Congrats to her . Look at the positive , with most of the 2020 top TG players having left the team it gives other kids a chance to be noticed , would that have happened to them if these kids left for YJ , probably not as they would have been buried on the bench or team 2.

The reality is only two players that left 2020 black were top players . The one everyone knows is the best player on LI and just recently committed to UNC and the other was bumped to purple and left for leg. All other players from 2020 black that went elsewhere have proven to be role players on their new teams. It is what it is. The 2020 Black team is a good team and from reading all if you constant posts about them...better off without your family polluting the sidelines.

Reality is you're wrong again. You're forgetting the young lady from Babylon with the knee injury. She would be on YJ blue in a heartbeat if she left. There is still plenty of talent on that team. As for playing in second rate tournaments, TG isn't invited to all tournaments. Probably because of burnt bridges and the Smiths will not go in any tournament where CR gets a piece. They have played all of the top teams over the summers, just not yours.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How can that be. They told me only yja girls can commit that early. I've been all over the country with my superstar and i have'nt gotten any offers yet. With all the training and traveling i'm in for 60k already. Why can't you go to Hofstra like everyone says!!!!
Way to go kid!!!! Nice job TG. Don't listen to that [lacrosse] on YJ putting everyone else down. Keep up the hard work.

Exactly!

You two Riverhead/ESM losers need to get a life .First you have a kid who commits to a great school but you can't just congratulate her , you have to make it about YJ . It just shows how truly insecure you are about the fact that you stayed behind when the others left . Do too many TG commit to Hofstra , yes . Is the 2019 group behind other clubs in terms of recruiting , yes . Is the 2020 TG team now the 3rd or 4th best team in the age on LI , yes . Make it about TG not YJ . Congrats to her . Look at the positive , with most of the 2020 top TG players having left the team it gives other kids a chance to be noticed , would that have happened to them if these kids left for YJ , probably not as they would have been buried on the bench or team 2.

The reality is only two players that left 2020 black were top players . The one everyone knows is the best player on LI and just recently committed to UNC and the other was bumped to purple and left for leg. All other players from 2020 black that went elsewhere have proven to be role players on their new teams. It is what it is. The 2020 Black team is a good team and from reading all if you constant posts about them...better off without your family polluting the sidelines.

Reality is you're wrong again. You're forgetting the young lady from Babylon with the knee injury. She would be on YJ blue in a heartbeat if she left. There is still plenty of talent on that team. As for playing in second rate tournaments, TG isn't invited to all tournaments. Probably because of burnt bridges and the Smiths will not go in any tournament where CR gets a piece. They have played all of the top teams over the summers, just not yours.

If you read my post again you will see that I am in support of the 2020 Black team.

How have they done against the top teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]How can that be. They told me only yja girls can commit that early. I've been all over the country with my superstar and i have'nt gotten any offers yet. With all the training and traveling i'm in for 60k already. Why can't you go to Hofstra like everyone says!!!!
Way to go kid!!!! Nice job TG. Don't listen to that [lacrosse] on YJ putting everyone else down. Keep up the hard work.
[

Exactly!

You two Riverhead/ESM losers need to get a life .First you have a kid who commits to a great school but you can't just congratulate her , you have to make it about YJ . It just shows how truly insecure you are about the fact that you stayed behind when the others left . Do too many TG commit to Hofstra , yes . Is the 2019 group behind other clubs in terms of recruiting , yes . Is the 2020 TG team now the 3rd or 4th best team in the age on LI , yes . Make it about TG not YJ . Congrats to her . Look at the positive , with most of the 2020 top TG players having left the team it gives other kids a chance to be noticed , would that have happened to them if these kids left for YJ , probably not as they would have been buried on the bench or team 2.

The reality is only two players that left 2020 black were top players . The one everyone knows is the best player on LI and just recently committed to UNC and the other was bumped to purple and left for leg. All other players from 2020 black that went elsewhere have proven to be role players on their new teams. It is what it is. The 2020 Black team is a good team and from reading all if you constant posts about them...better off without your family polluting the sidelines.

Reality is you're wrong again. You're forgetting the young lady from Babylon with the knee injury. She would be on YJ blue in a heartbeat if she left. There is still plenty of talent on that team. As for playing in second rate tournaments, TG isn't invited to all tournaments. Probably because of burnt bridges and the Smiths will not go in any tournament where CR gets a piece. They have played all of the top teams over the summers, just not yours.

they played one team from maryland last season that would be a true "A" team and were smoked by double digits, no other teams worth mentioning

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]How can that be. They told me only yja girls can commit that early. I've been all over the country with my superstar and i have'nt gotten any offers yet. With all the training and traveling i'm in for 60k already. Why can't you go to Hofstra like everyone says!!!!
Way to go kid!!!! Nice job TG. Don't listen to that [lacrosse] on YJ putting everyone else down. Keep up the hard work.
[

Exactly!

You two Riverhead/ESM losers need to get a life .First you have a kid who commits to a great school but you can't just congratulate her , you have to make it about YJ . It just shows how truly insecure you are about the fact that you stayed behind when the others left . Do too many TG commit to Hofstra , yes . Is the 2019 group behind other clubs in terms of recruiting , yes . Is the 2020 TG team now the 3rd or 4th best team in the age on LI , yes . Make it about TG not YJ . Congrats to her . Look at the positive , with most of the 2020 top TG players having left the team it gives other kids a chance to be noticed , would that have happened to them if these kids left for YJ , probably not as they would have been buried on the bench or team 2.

The reality is only two players that left 2020 black were top players . The one everyone knows is the best player on LI and just recently committed to UNC and the other was bumped to purple and left for leg. All other players from 2020 black that went elsewhere have proven to be role players on their new teams. It is what it is. The 2020 Black team is a good team and from reading all if you constant posts about them...better off without your family polluting the sidelines.

Reality is you're wrong again. You're forgetting the young lady from Babylon with the knee injury. She would be on YJ blue in a heartbeat if she left. There is still plenty of talent on that team. As for playing in second rate tournaments, TG isn't invited to all tournaments. Probably because of burnt bridges and the Smiths will not go in any tournament where CR gets a piece. They have played all of the top teams over the summers, just not yours.

they played one team from maryland last season that would be a true "A" team and were smoked by double digits, no other teams worth mentioning

YJ teams smoked by MD teams also. LI and MD are just in different league.

I thought we were talking about 2020s

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]How can that be. They told me only yja girls can commit that early. I've been all over the country with my superstar and i have'nt gotten any offers yet. With all the training and traveling i'm in for 60k already. Why can't you go to Hofstra like everyone says!!!!
Way to go kid!!!! Nice job TG. Don't listen to that [lacrosse] on YJ putting everyone else down. Keep up the hard work.
[

Exactly!

You two Riverhead/ESM losers need to get a life .First you have a kid who commits to a great school but you can't just congratulate her , you have to make it about YJ . It just shows how truly insecure you are about the fact that you stayed behind when the others left . Do too many TG commit to Hofstra , yes . Is the 2019 group behind other clubs in terms of recruiting , yes . Is the 2020 TG team now the 3rd or 4th best team in the age on LI , yes . Make it about TG not YJ . Congrats to her . Look at the positive , with most of the 2020 top TG players having left the team it gives other kids a chance to be noticed , would that have happened to them if these kids left for YJ , probably not as they would have been buried on the bench or team 2.

The reality is only two players that left 2020 black were top players . The one everyone knows is the best player on LI and just recently committed to UNC and the other was bumped to purple and left for leg. All other players from 2020 black that went elsewhere have proven to be role players on their new teams. It is what it is. The 2020 Black team is a good team and from reading all if you constant posts about them...better off without your family polluting the sidelines.

Reality is you're wrong again. You're forgetting the young lady from Babylon with the knee injury. She would be on YJ blue in a heartbeat if she left. There is still plenty of talent on that team. As for playing in second rate tournaments, TG isn't invited to all tournaments. Probably because of burnt bridges and the Smiths will not go in any tournament where CR gets a piece. They have played all of the top teams over the summers, just not yours.

they played one team from maryland last season that would be a true "A" team and were smoked by double digits, no other teams worth mentioning

YJ teams smoked by MD teams also. LI and MD are just in different league.

You are just a loser. If you want to come on here and say nonsense like that at least have some facts .They are talking about the 2020 age group which lost a few and won a few against MD this past season and they were all close games. If you were ranking this age group it would be M&d and YJ as co number 1's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How can that be. They told me only yja girls can commit that early. I've been all over the country with my superstar and i have'nt gotten any offers yet. With all the training and traveling i'm in for 60k already. Why can't you go to Hofstra like everyone says!!!!
Way to go kid!!!! Nice job TG. Don't listen to that [lacrosse] on YJ putting everyone else down. Keep up the hard work.

Exactly!

You two Riverhead/ESM losers need to get a life .First you have a kid who commits to a great school but you can't just congratulate her , you have to make it about YJ . It just shows how truly insecure you are about the fact that you stayed behind when the others left . Do too many TG commit to Hofstra , yes . Is the 2019 group behind other clubs in terms of recruiting , yes . Is the 2020 TG team now the 3rd or 4th best team in the age on LI , yes . Make it about TG not YJ . Congrats to her . Look at the positive , with most of the 2020 top TG players having left the team it gives other kids a chance to be noticed , would that have happened to them if these kids left for YJ , probably not as they would have been buried on the bench or team 2.

The reality is only two players that left 2020 black were top players . The one everyone knows is the best player on LI and just recently committed to UNC and the other was bumped to purple and left for leg. All other players from 2020 black that went elsewhere have proven to be role players on their new teams. It is what it is. The 2020 Black team is a good team and from reading all if you constant posts about them...better off without your family polluting the sidelines.

Reality is you're wrong again. You're forgetting the young lady from Babylon with the knee injury. She would be on YJ blue in a heartbeat if she left. There is still plenty of talent on that team. As for playing in second rate tournaments, TG isn't invited to all tournaments. Probably because of burnt bridges and the Smiths will not go in any tournament where CR gets a piece. They have played all of the top teams over the summers, just not yours.

Hilarious ,first 2 TG knuckleheads fighting with each other.The kid you are talking about is a good player but not sure YJ blue would take her even if she wanted to come over mainly because they really don't need her and not sure they would want to move anyone off to make room. Even funnier is you two TG knuckleheads think you are complimenting TG by saying they have 1 kid left that YJ blue would want.

Haha YJ second best? Lol, delusional!

Outside the 6 middies 1 defender and 1 attacker everyone else on blue is so replaceable.

[quote=Anonymous]Outside the 6 middies 1 defender and 1 attacker everyone else on blue is so replaceable.

Looking forward to playing YJ. I think they'll be surprised how the TG play team lacrosse

You are NOT beating 2020 blue

Thats what 19 blue said. And we did!

YJ is full of idiot parents. Pay no attention to them and they will go away. They can't stand to be ignored.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How can that be. They told me only yja girls can commit that early. I've been all over the country with my superstar and i have'nt gotten any offers yet. With all the training and traveling i'm in for 60k already. Why can't you go to Hofstra like everyone says!!!!
Way to go kid!!!! Nice job TG. Don't listen to that [lacrosse] on YJ putting everyone else down. Keep up the hard work.

Exactly!

You two Riverhead/ESM losers need to get a life .First you have a kid who commits to a great school but you can't just congratulate her , you have to make it about YJ . It just shows how truly insecure you are about the fact that you stayed behind when the others left . Do too many TG commit to Hofstra , yes . Is the 2019 group behind other clubs in terms of recruiting , yes . Is the 2020 TG team now the 3rd or 4th best team in the age on LI , yes . Make it about TG not YJ . Congrats to her . Look at the positive , with most of the 2020 top TG players having left the team it gives other kids a chance to be noticed , would that have happened to them if these kids left for YJ , probably not as they would have been buried on the bench or team 2.

The reality is only two players that left 2020 black were top players . The one everyone knows is the best player on LI and just recently committed to UNC and the other was bumped to purple and left for leg. All other players from 2020 black that went elsewhere have proven to be role players on their new teams. It is what it is. The 2020 Black team is a good team and from reading all if you constant posts about them...better off without your family polluting the sidelines.

Reality is you're wrong again. You're forgetting the young lady from Babylon with the knee injury. She would be on YJ blue in a heartbeat if she left. There is still plenty of talent on that team. As for playing in second rate tournaments, TG isn't invited to all tournaments. Probably because of burnt bridges and the Smiths will not go in any tournament where CR gets a piece. They have played all of the top teams over the summers, just not yours.

Hilarious ,first 2 TG knuckleheads fighting with each other.The kid you are talking about is a good player but not sure YJ blue would take her even if she wanted to come over mainly because they really don't need her and not sure they would want to move anyone off to make room. Even funnier is you two TG knuckleheads think you are complimenting TG by saying they have 1 kid left that YJ blue would want.

There is no WOW factor..YJ is not interested in kid as she doesn't bring anything that they don't already have. Do you really think if CR wanted kid, she wouldn't already have her?

Blind squirrel gets a nut every now and then.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thats what 19 blue said. And we did!

At U-15

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Thats what 19 blue said. And we did!

At U-15 [/quote

What ??

TG just didn't beat them, they crushed them

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG just didn't beat them, they crushed them

Is this a joke ?

Yes YJ 2019 beat. TG 2019 in Indy when it counted!!!!

you all are schmucks on here get a life

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you all are schmucks on here get a life

Bill, I thought you told all of us to stay off of here. Why are you posting?

What is the total number up to now for 2021's who are leaving for YJ? Last I heard it was 4 (2 who didn't go to tryouts, and 2 who went to tryouts and accepted their black spot). So basically black will be last year's purple?

[quote=Anonymous]What is the total number up to now for 2021's who are leaving for YJ? Last I heard it was 4 (2 who didn't go to tryouts, and 2 who went to tryouts and accepted their black spot). So basically black will be last year's purple?

Tg will just go to less competitive tournaments to give the illusion that they are a competitive team

Duck, Duck, Duck. They like to talk, but they hardly show up. Sad the club is no longer about SS's involvement, and you have a "Lacrosse Dad" (who was crazy when his kids played) running the show soup to nuts, basically scamming the parents into believing SS has a real involvement in the development and coaching of the girls involved. Classic bait and switch. You all should sue for your deposits back.

Say and Believe what you want. But my girls have been with TG for 7 yrs now and SS has been at and involved in almost every practice session including winter training.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say and Believe what you want. But my girls have been with TG for 7 yrs now and SS has been at and involved in almost every practice session including winter training.

Flat out lie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say and Believe what you want. But my girls have been with TG for 7 yrs now and SS has been at and involved in almost every practice session including winter training.

This is hilarious

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say and Believe what you want. But my girls have been with TG for 7 yrs now and SS has been at and involved in almost every practice session including winter training.

You're daughter is on a black team? SS will help her black teams, however she has nothing to do with her purple or white teams. My daughter has been on a purple team for 5 years and SS has never been to one of their practices. She's been to a few games but she was on the phone the entire time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say and Believe what you want. But my girls have been with TG for 7 yrs now and SS has been at and involved in almost every practice session including winter training.

You're daughter is on a black team? SS will help her black teams, however she has nothing to do with her purple or white teams. My daughter has been on a purple team for 5 years and SS has never been to one of their practices. She's been to a few games but she was on the phone the entire time.

Shannon maybe was at about 1/2 of the practices of the team she actually coaches. She was absent because of other "obligations". She is always missing. "Where is SS?" You'll get: "She's coaching her professional team, or she has a college commitment, or she is off recruiting". Spread too thin, and all the lemmings who were sold a fake promise of the team being overseen by her end up will the ultimate in insane lacrosse dads BS running things. What does he really know other than a few drills and from what he learned watching the sport. PAL level coaching knowledge. Funny thing is he wont even tolerate parents anymore.

Big fall for TG's, what are they throwing 2 practices? Another promise broken. Smith's led you to believe there was going to be a full fall. But once again bait and switch. Sorry for the Lemmings who drank the Kool-aide, guess your stuck for another year. Have fun in those non-recruiting tournaments, with PAL level teams.

You're daughter is on a black team? SS will help her black teams, however she has nothing to do with her purple or white teams. My daughter has been on a purple team for 5 years and SS has never been to one of their practices. She's been to a few games but she was on the phone the entire time.

This has been our experience as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say and Believe what you want. But my girls have been with TG for 7 yrs now and SS has been at and involved in almost every practice session including winter training.

You're daughter is on a black team? SS will help her black teams, however she has nothing to do with her purple or white teams. My daughter has been on a purple team for 5 years and SS has never been to one of their practices. She's been to a few games but she was on the phone the entire time.

Shannon maybe was at about 1/2 of the practices of the team she actually coaches. She was absent because of other "obligations". She is always missing. "Where is SS?" You'll get: "She's coaching her professional team, or she has a college commitment, or she is off recruiting". Spread too thin, and all the lemmings who were sold a fake promise of the team being overseen by her end up will the ultimate in insane lacrosse dads BS running things. What does he really know other than a few drills and from what he learned watching the sport. PAL level coaching knowledge. Funny thing is he wont even tolerate parents anymore.

Big fall for TG's, what are they throwing 2 practices? Another promise broken. Smith's led you to believe there was going to be a full fall. But once again bait and switch. Sorry for the Lemmings who drank the Kool-aide, guess your stuck for another year. Have fun in those non-recruiting tournaments, with PAL level teams.

Why are you so obsessed with trash talking TG? Nobody wants to here from you. You come across as a pathetic troll who's daughter probably just isn't as good as you think she is. You can't keep blaming this on TG. If you weren't happy there then move on. It's not the Smiths fault. Many people are having a great experience and are sick of your negativity. Bet you're real fun at parties!

[quote=Anonymous]Say and Believe what you want. But my girls have been with TG for 7 yrs now and SS has been at and involved in almost every practice session including winter training.

SS at the TG summer camp spent more time hanging out in the shade under her tent scrolling on her phone then she did interacting with the girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Say and Believe what you want. But my girls have been with TG for 7 yrs now and SS has been at and involved in almost every practice session including winter training.

SS at the TG summer camp spent more time hanging out in the shade under her tent scrolling on her phone then she did interacting with the girls.

Sounds an awful lot like old,crotchetty CR. "She" only pays attention to her top team and screws the parents and kids of the rest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Say and Believe what you want. But my girls have been with TG for 7 yrs now and SS has been at and involved in almost every practice session including winter training.

SS at the TG summer camp spent more time hanging out in the shade under her tent scrolling on her phone then she did interacting with the girls.

Why were you stalking SS? Creepy!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Say and Believe what you want. But my girls have been with TG for 7 yrs now and SS has been at and involved in almost every practice session including winter training.

SS at the TG summer camp spent more time hanging out in the shade under her tent scrolling on her phone then she did interacting with the girls.

There was only one good station per day, the rest was a waste of time. Smith's are all about self promotion, and making the most that they can off of the SS name. Can't wait to see how much worse it gets. The Smith's have had problems with many people and have many enemies. Many have been waiting for the downfall of the club not to see the families hurt but to expose the fraud that they are.

Hey if BS is such a good coach why did his sons college career flop?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say and Believe what you want. But my girls have been with TG for 7 yrs now and SS has been at and involved in almost every practice session including winter training.

You're daughter is on a black team? SS will help her black teams, however she has nothing to do with her purple or white teams. My daughter has been on a purple team for 5 years and SS has never been to one of their practices. She's been to a few games but she was on the phone the entire time.

Shannon maybe was at about 1/2 of the practices of the team she actually coaches. She was absent because of other "obligations". She is always missing. "Where is SS?" You'll get: "She's coaching her professional team, or she has a college commitment, or she is off recruiting". Spread too thin, and all the lemmings who were sold a fake promise of the team being overseen by her end up will the ultimate in insane lacrosse dads BS running things. What does he really know other than a few drills and from what he learned watching the sport. PAL level coaching knowledge. Funny thing is he wont even tolerate parents anymore.

Big fall for TG's, what are they throwing 2 practices? Another promise broken. Smith's led you to believe there was going to be a full fall. But once again bait and switch. Sorry for the Lemmings who drank the Kool-aide, guess your stuck for another year. Have fun in those non-recruiting tournaments, with PAL level teams.

Why are you so obsessed with trash talking TG? Nobody wants to here from you. You come across as a pathetic troll who's daughter probably just isn't as good as you think she is. You can't keep blaming this on TG. If you weren't happy there then move on. It's not the Smiths fault. Many people are having a great experience and are sick of your negativity. Bet you're real fun at parties!

Here's the thing you're missing. We're not trolls coming on here to get TG lovers fired up about this topic. For 95% of the club this is true. There are approximately 50 girls per age group give or take and in reality SS is interested in 4 or 5 of them. Were you not at the receruiting meeting the other night? SS told the parents flat out that if youre not a top 5 black player then forget about going to a D1 school. She and her father are telling the majority of their program that you're on your own for recruiting. The 2018 age group has plenty of girls going to D1 schools. Even girls from their original White team are going to D1 schools. The last 5 girls to commit for 2018 have all been from either white or purple and have all done it on their own with no help from the Smiths. The usual response to this will be that my daughter isn't good or I'm seeing something that no one else is seeing. The truth of the matter is my daughter is committed to the school she wants to go to and they had nothing to do with it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Say and Believe what you want. But my girls have been with TG for 7 yrs now and SS has been at and involved in almost every practice session including winter training.

SS at the TG summer camp spent more time hanging out in the shade under her tent scrolling on her phone then she did interacting with the girls.

There was only one good station per day, the rest was a waste of time. Smith's are all about self promotion, and making the most that they can off of the SS name. Can't wait to see how much worse it gets. The Smith's have had problems with many people and have many enemies. Many have been waiting for the downfall of the club not to see the families hurt but to expose the fraud that they are.

Hey if BS is such a good coach why did his sons college career flop?

TG will only get better. Their young teams best YJA easily. Especially since you and your daughter are gone it will be a big boost. No team needs that negative [lacrosse] around. So weird how you hate TG so much but yet keep posting here? Please go away #craycray

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say and Believe what you want. But my girls have been with TG for 7 yrs now and SS has been at and involved in almost every practice session including winter training.

You're daughter is on a black team? SS will help her black teams, however she has nothing to do with her purple or white teams. My daughter has been on a purple team for 5 years and SS has never been to one of their practices. She's been to a few games but she was on the phone the entire time.

Shannon maybe was at about 1/2 of the practices of the team she actually coaches. She was absent because of other "obligations". She is always missing. "Where is SS?" You'll get: "She's coaching her professional team, or she has a college commitment, or she is off recruiting". Spread too thin, and all the lemmings who were sold a fake promise of the team being overseen by her end up will the ultimate in insane lacrosse dads BS running things. What does he really know other than a few drills and from what he learned watching the sport. PAL level coaching knowledge. Funny thing is he wont even tolerate parents anymore.

Big fall for TG's, what are they throwing 2 practices? Another promise broken. Smith's led you to believe there was going to be a full fall. But once again bait and switch. Sorry for the Lemmings who drank the Kool-aide, guess your stuck for another year. Have fun in those non-recruiting tournaments, with PAL level teams.

They are struggling to fill rosters for their fall tournaments. Parents are tired of coughing up more money just to watch the same crap they did all summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say and Believe what you want. But my girls have been with TG for 7 yrs now and SS has been at and involved in almost every practice session including winter training.

You're daughter is on a black team? SS will help her black teams, however she has nothing to do with her purple or white teams. My daughter has been on a purple team for 5 years and SS has never been to one of their practices. She's been to a few games but she was on the phone the entire time.

Shannon maybe was at about 1/2 of the practices of the team she actually coaches. She was absent because of other "obligations". She is always missing. "Where is SS?" You'll get: "She's coaching her professional team, or she has a college commitment, or she is off recruiting". Spread too thin, and all the lemmings who were sold a fake promise of the team being overseen by her end up will the ultimate in insane lacrosse dads BS running things. What does he really know other than a few drills and from what he learned watching the sport. PAL level coaching knowledge. Funny thing is he wont even tolerate parents anymore.

Big fall for TG's, what are they throwing 2 practices? Another promise broken. Smith's led you to believe there was going to be a full fall. But once again bait and switch. Sorry for the Lemmings who drank the Kool-aide, guess your stuck for another year. Have fun in those non-recruiting tournaments, with PAL level teams.

Why are you so obsessed with trash talking TG? Nobody wants to here from you. You come across as a pathetic troll who's daughter probably just isn't as good as you think she is. You can't keep blaming this on TG. If you weren't happy there then move on. It's not the Smiths fault. Many people are having a great experience and are sick of your negativity. Bet you're real fun at parties!

Here's the thing you're missing. We're not trolls coming on here to get TG lovers fired up about this topic. For 95% of the club this is true. There are approximately 50 girls per age group give or take and in reality SS is interested in 4 or 5 of them. Were you not at the receruiting meeting the other night? SS told the parents flat out that if youre not a top 5 black player then forget about going to a D1 school. She and her father are telling the majority of their program that you're on your own for recruiting. The 2018 age group has plenty of girls going to D1 schools. Even girls from their original White team are going to D1 schools. The last 5 girls to commit for 2018 have all been from either white or purple and have all done it on their own with no help from the Smiths. The usual response to this will be that my daughter isn't good or I'm seeing something that no one else is seeing. The truth of the matter is my daughter is committed to the school she wants to go to and they had nothing to do with it.

I knew it! You're mad because your daughter is not as good of a player as you think she is! News flash: Not every girl should be playing D1. If they are good enough the coaches will find them. Not the responsibility of the coach to convince college coaches that your daughter belongs somewhere she doesn't. I know CR does this and many girls get no money are miserable because they don't play and are never heard from again, except of course for the top 5 on the team!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say and Believe what you want. But my girls have been with TG for 7 yrs now and SS has been at and involved in almost every practice session including winter training.

You're daughter is on a black team? SS will help her black teams, however she has nothing to do with her purple or white teams. My daughter has been on a purple team for 5 years and SS has never been to one of their practices. She's been to a few games but she was on the phone the entire time.

Shannon maybe was at about 1/2 of the practices of the team she actually coaches. She was absent because of other "obligations". She is always missing. "Where is SS?" You'll get: "She's coaching her professional team, or she has a college commitment, or she is off recruiting". Spread too thin, and all the lemmings who were sold a fake promise of the team being overseen by her end up will the ultimate in insane lacrosse dads BS running things. What does he really know other than a few drills and from what he learned watching the sport. PAL level coaching knowledge. Funny thing is he wont even tolerate parents anymore.

Big fall for TG's, what are they throwing 2 practices? Another promise broken. Smith's led you to believe there was going to be a full fall. But once again bait and switch. Sorry for the Lemmings who drank the Kool-aide, guess your stuck for another year. Have fun in those non-recruiting tournaments, with PAL level teams.

Why are you so obsessed with trash talking TG? Nobody wants to here from you. You come across as a pathetic troll who's daughter probably just isn't as good as you think she is. You can't keep blaming this on TG. If you weren't happy there then move on. It's not the Smiths fault. Many people are having a great experience and are sick of your negativity. Bet you're real fun at parties!

Here's the thing you're missing. We're not trolls coming on here to get TG lovers fired up about this topic. For 95% of the club this is true. There are approximately 50 girls per age group give or take and in reality SS is interested in 4 or 5 of them. Were you not at the receruiting meeting the other night? SS told the parents flat out that if youre not a top 5 black player then forget about going to a D1 school. She and her father are telling the majority of their program that you're on your own for recruiting. The 2018 age group has plenty of girls going to D1 schools. Even girls from their original White team are going to D1 schools. The last 5 girls to commit for 2018 have all been from either white or purple and have all done it on their own with no help from the Smiths. The usual response to this will be that my daughter isn't good or I'm seeing something that no one else is seeing. The truth of the matter is my daughter is committed to the school she wants to go to and they had nothing to do with it.

I knew it! You're mad because your daughter is not as good of a player as you think she is! News flash: Not every girl should be playing D1. If they are good enough the coaches will find them. Not the responsibility of the coach to convince college coaches that your daughter belongs somewhere she doesn't. I know CR does this and many girls get no money are miserable because they don't play and are never heard from again, except of course for the top 5 on the team!

You completely missed the point you imbecile.

You should use your time helping your daughter to improve her skills instead of coming on here and blaming anyone you can that she's not being paid enough attention. I think that's the point!

We left TG over a year ago, everything said is true. My daughter not even on Black team when we left is going D1, considering two offers. Maybe we left in time and the talent pool has dropped so badly that there are only 4-5 D 1 level girls there.

The reality is that TG can't reach very many div 1 schools. They don't have the objective connections. Maybe they say only 4-5 on the black because 4-5 girls will be going to Hofstra each year from TG. Anyone else is on their own. That in itself is very telling and TG families should read between the lines.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Say and Believe what you want. But my girls have been with TG for 7 yrs now and SS has been at and involved in almost every practice session including winter training.

SS at the TG summer camp spent more time hanging out in the shade under her tent scrolling on her phone then she did interacting with the girls.

There was only one good station per day, the rest was a waste of time. Smith's are all about self promotion, and making the most that they can off of the SS name. Can't wait to see how much worse it gets. The Smith's have had problems with many people and have many enemies. Many have been waiting for the downfall of the club not to see the families hurt but to expose the fraud that they are.

Hey if BS is such a good coach why did his sons college career flop?

TG will only get better. Their young teams best YJA easily. Especially since you and your daughter are gone it will be a big boost. No team needs that negative [lacrosse] around. So weird how you hate TG so much but yet keep posting here? Please go away #craycray

Ok loser, nice hash-tag. You really think those younger kids will be around for long. Look what happened and is happening at the older ages. The top girls leave. It happened at 2021, they lost best girl in program 2 years ago and lost top 4 girls on black this year, and after YJ tryouts who knows how many more. It happens as the girls get older an the parents look at the recruiting prospects and see the dead end TG has become. No prob, keep wasting your money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We left TG over a year ago, everything said is true. My daughter not even on Black team when we left is going D1, considering two offers. Maybe we left in time and the talent pool has dropped so badly that there are only 4-5 D 1 level girls there.

The reality is that TG can't reach very many div 1 schools. They don't have the objective connections. Maybe they say only 4-5 on the black because 4-5 girls will be going to Hofstra each year from TG. Anyone else is on their own. That in itself is very telling and TG families should read between the lines.

That's a lie! The talented girls are going to great schools, not just Hofstra. You are obviously bitter. girls are going to top schools like Princeton and Maryland, Yale and Cornell, as well as plenty others. If your daughter has all these great offers, why don't you go away and be happy at your new club. I don't for one minute buy the crap you're trying to sell! Maybe TG was not a good fit for your daughter, let it go and move on! Not everyone feels the same. You can keep repeating the same crap over and over, but it doesn't make it true and just makes you look more and more foolish.

TG Black has the top 20-25 girls in the program. TG Purple has the next 26-50 girls in the program. Are purple team players good? Yes they are. Are they D1. Maybe, but probably not. I suppose the top girls on purple could try out and make the bottom end of the top teams at Leg or Elev, and be top team players. But those teams are not sending 20 girls from their top teams to D1 either. How is SS or BS at fault? 4 or 5 from TG Black to D1 seems low. Depends on the recruiting year. Some really strong top teams at certain ages, and some not so strong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG Black has the top 20-25 girls in the program. TG Purple has the next 26-50 girls in the program. Are purple team players good? Yes they are. Are they D1. Maybe, but probably not. I suppose the top girls on purple could try out and make the bottom end of the top teams at Leg or Elev, and be top team players. But those teams are not sending 20 girls from their top teams to D1 either. How is SS or BS at fault? 4 or 5 from TG Black to D1 seems low. Depends on the recruiting year. Some really strong top teams at certain ages, and some not so strong.

There are several black players in the works. Worry about ur own

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You should use your time helping your daughter to improve her skills instead of coming on here and blaming anyone you can that she's not being paid enough attention. I think that's the point!

Again you're missing the point. I'm not on here blaming the Smiths for anything that has gone on with my daughter. When you sign up for an organization, you look for things that separate them from other clubs. You're promised that you will have world class coaching. They dont have any. You're promised that you can speak to either BS or SS whenever you need to and that doesn't happen. You're told that all teams are overseen by SS and that has never happened. The website now says that your daughter will be overseen by someone in the Smith family. Also promised to be walked through the recruiting process. If being told that if you're not a top 5 player on the black then give up your D1 dreams, I'm glad they didn't help me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You should use your time helping your daughter to improve her skills instead of coming on here and blaming anyone you can that she's not being paid enough attention. I think that's the point!

Again you're missing the point. I'm not on here blaming the Smiths for anything that has gone on with my daughter. When you sign up for an organization, you look for things that separate them from other clubs. You're promised that you will have world class coaching. They dont have any. You're promised that you can speak to either BS or SS whenever you need to and that doesn't happen. You're told that all teams are overseen by SS and that has never happened. The website now says that your daughter will be overseen by someone in the Smith family. Also promised to be walked through the recruiting process. If being told that if you're not a top 5 player on the black then give up your D1 dreams, I'm glad they didn't help me.

You are mis quoting them. What they clearly said at the meeting was only the top 5 players on a Black team have a shot at a top 5 lax school

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You should use your time helping your daughter to improve her skills instead of coming on here and blaming anyone you can that she's not being paid enough attention. I think that's the point!

Again you're missing the point. I'm not on here blaming the Smiths for anything that has gone on with my daughter. When you sign up for an organization, you look for things that separate them from other clubs. You're promised that you will have world class coaching. They dont have any. You're promised that you can speak to either BS or SS whenever you need to and that doesn't happen. You're told that all teams are overseen by SS and that has never happened. The website now says that your daughter will be overseen by someone in the Smith family. Also promised to be walked through the recruiting process. If being told that if you're not a top 5 player on the black then give up your D1 dreams, I'm glad they didn't help me.

Sorry things didn't work out for you. Hopefully it will be better at your new club. Not everyone is having that experience at TG. Now that you are done venting, it's time for you to go focus on Your daughter and her new club. You remind me of someone dumped by their boyfriend, but just can't let it go. You come across as someone with unrealistic expectations and can never be pleased.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You should use your time helping your daughter to improve her skills instead of coming on here and blaming anyone you can that she's not being paid enough attention. I think that's the point!

Again you're missing the point. I'm not on here blaming the Smiths for anything that has gone on with my daughter. When you sign up for an organization, you look for things that separate them from other clubs. You're promised that you will have world class coaching. They dont have any. You're promised that you can speak to either BS or SS whenever you need to and that doesn't happen. You're told that all teams are overseen by SS and that has never happened. The website now says that your daughter will be overseen by someone in the Smith family. Also promised to be walked through the recruiting process. If being told that if you're not a top 5 player on the black then give up your D1 dreams, I'm glad they didn't help me.

Let's hear from parents of current seniors. Whether on black or purple ( no need to reply if going to Hofstea or the sister school Towson). Did you get any help from TG in the recruiting process? Let's try and keep it honest and precise.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You should use your time helping your daughter to improve her skills instead of coming on here and blaming anyone you can that she's not being paid enough attention. I think that's the point!

Again you're missing the point. I'm not on here blaming the Smiths for anything that has gone on with my daughter. When you sign up for an organization, you look for things that separate them from other clubs. You're promised that you will have world class coaching. They dont have any. You're promised that you can speak to either BS or SS whenever you need to and that doesn't happen. You're told that all teams are overseen by SS and that has never happened. The website now says that your daughter will be overseen by someone in the Smith family. Also promised to be walked through the recruiting process. If being told that if you're not a top 5 player on the black then give up your D1 dreams, I'm glad they didn't help me.

Let's hear from parents of current seniors. Whether on black or purple ( no need to reply if going to Hofstea or the sister school Towson). Did you get any help from TG in the recruiting process? Let's try and keep it honest and precise.

There are over 100 D1 schools if that's your goal you should be able to find one

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You should use your time helping your daughter to improve her skills instead of coming on here and blaming anyone you can that she's not being paid enough attention. I think that's the point!

Again you're missing the point. I'm not on here blaming the Smiths for anything that has gone on with my daughter. When you sign up for an organization, you look for things that separate them from other clubs. You're promised that you will have world class coaching. They dont have any. You're promised that you can speak to either BS or SS whenever you need to and that doesn't happen. You're told that all teams are overseen by SS and that has never happened. The website now says that your daughter will be overseen by someone in the Smith family. Also promised to be walked through the recruiting process. If being told that if you're not a top 5 player on the black then give up your D1 dreams, I'm glad they didn't help me.

Let's hear from parents of current seniors. Whether on black or purple ( no need to reply if going to Hofstea or the sister school Towson). Did you get any help from TG in the recruiting process? Let's try and keep it honest and precise.

There are over 100 D1 schools if that's your goal you should be able to find one

My daughter just finished her TG career. She was a purple player and is committed to a D1 school. Only help my daughter got from TG was playing for them. All the leg work was done by my husband and myself. We went to a number of camps on our own. College coach never reached out to the club. Coach did speak to our varsity coach though. I will not mention the college name because she is the only one going to that school for her age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You should use your time helping your daughter to improve her skills instead of coming on here and blaming anyone you can that she's not being paid enough attention. I think that's the point!

Again you're missing the point. I'm not on here blaming the Smiths for anything that has gone on with my daughter. When you sign up for an organization, you look for things that separate them from other clubs. You're promised that you will have world class coaching. They dont have any. You're promised that you can speak to either BS or SS whenever you need to and that doesn't happen. You're told that all teams are overseen by SS and that has never happened. The website now says that your daughter will be overseen by someone in the Smith family. Also promised to be walked through the recruiting process. If being told that if you're not a top 5 player on the black then give up your D1 dreams, I'm glad they didn't help me.

Let's hear from parents of current seniors. Whether on black or purple ( no need to reply if going to Hofstea or the sister school Towson). Did you get any help from TG in the recruiting process? Let's try and keep it honest and precise.

Not sure what type of help you were looking for. Were you looking for someone to go pick up ground balls for your daughter? Perhaps you wanted someone to play defense for her. I know you would never ask anyone to score a goal for her. It sounds as if you want someone to lie to the coaches and tell them that your daughter is not the girl that they see on the field. Maybe you were hoping that someone could tell the college coaches that your daughter is faster than she looks or maybe tell a coach that she hustles even though it doesn't look like she does. Maybe you wanted someone to forge her transcript or lie about her SAT or ACT scores.

Wake up. College Coaches go and watch the girls play. If they like what they see they will come calling. The best players get offers from the best schools. If your daughter went to tournaments and college coaches watched her play and did not express interest it is not the fault of the club coach or director.

If your daughter was not or is not being recruited it is because the college coaches do not think she will help their program. The College coaches sit and watch and they know what they see and they know what they like.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You should use your time helping your daughter to improve her skills instead of coming on here and blaming anyone you can that she's not being paid enough attention. I think that's the point!

Again you're missing the point. I'm not on here blaming the Smiths for anything that has gone on with my daughter. When you sign up for an organization, you look for things that separate them from other clubs. You're promised that you will have world class coaching. They dont have any. You're promised that you can speak to either BS or SS whenever you need to and that doesn't happen. You're told that all teams are overseen by SS and that has never happened. The website now says that your daughter will be overseen by someone in the Smith family. Also promised to be walked through the recruiting process. If being told that if you're not a top 5 player on the black then give up your D1 dreams, I'm glad they didn't help me.

Let's hear from parents of current seniors. Whether on black or purple ( no need to reply if going to Hofstea or the sister school Towson). Did you get any help from TG in the recruiting process? Let's try and keep it honest and precise.

Not sure what type of help you were looking for. Were you looking for someone to go pick up ground balls for your daughter? Perhaps you wanted someone to play defense for her. I know you would never ask anyone to score a goal for her. It sounds as if you want someone to lie to the coaches and tell them that your daughter is not the girl that they see on the field. Maybe you were hoping that someone could tell the college coaches that your daughter is faster than she looks or maybe tell a coach that she hustles even though it doesn't look like she does. Maybe you wanted someone to forge her transcript or lie about her SAT or ACT scores.

Wake up. College Coaches go and watch the girls play. If they like what they see they will come calling. The best players get offers from the best schools. If your daughter went to tournaments and college coaches watched her play and did not express interest it is not the fault of the club coach or director.

If your daughter was not or is not being recruited it is because the college coaches do not think she will help their program. The College coaches sit and watch and they know what they see and they know what they like.

This is 100% correct! Not all kids should be playing in college, even if they play on one of the better club teams. There are usually about 5 standout players on the top teams. After that..........you already know the answer to that

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You should use your time helping your daughter to improve her skills instead of coming on here and blaming anyone you can that she's not being paid enough attention. I think that's the point!

Again you're missing the point. I'm not on here blaming the Smiths for anything that has gone on with my daughter. When you sign up for an organization, you look for things that separate them from other clubs. You're promised that you will have world class coaching. They dont have any. You're promised that you can speak to either BS or SS whenever you need to and that doesn't happen. You're told that all teams are overseen by SS and that has never happened. The website now says that your daughter will be overseen by someone in the Smith family. Also promised to be walked through the recruiting process. If being told that if you're not a top 5 player on the black then give up your D1 dreams, I'm glad they didn't help me.

Let's hear from parents of current seniors. Whether on black or purple ( no need to reply if going to Hofstea or the sister school Towson). Did you get any help from TG in the recruiting process? Let's try and keep it honest and precise.

Not sure what type of help you were looking for. Were you looking for someone to go pick up ground balls for your daughter? Perhaps you wanted someone to play defense for her. I know you would never ask anyone to score a goal for her. It sounds as if you want someone to lie to the coaches and tell them that your daughter is not the girl that they see on the field. Maybe you were hoping that someone could tell the college coaches that your daughter is faster than she looks or maybe tell a coach that she hustles even though it doesn't look like she does. Maybe you wanted someone to forge her transcript or lie about her SAT or ACT scores.

Wake up. College Coaches go and watch the girls play. If they like what they see they will come calling. The best players get offers from the best schools. If your daughter went to tournaments and college coaches watched her play and did not express interest it is not the fault of the club coach or director.

If your daughter was not or is not being recruited it is because the college coaches do not think she will help their program. The College coaches sit and watch and they know what they see and they know what they like.

How hard is it for BS or SS to email a school and state they have an athlete interested in playing for the team?? My (then) 15yo could not be contacted by the coach directly, and has asked for "help" only to find out they NEVER got a phone call or an email from anyone at TG. Neither did at least 10 other girls who are committed to play in college. Everything was done through high school coaches. I agree not every kid is a college athlete but when you get fed a load of crap about "helping in the recruiting process" and get nothing it is very misleading and confusing. For those who have had direct contact by coaches- go check out the school. Some great opportunities are there and some colleges wait until they don't have to contact the "organization"

Funny how you TG parents are so brain washed by the Smith's that you think they should play no role in the recruitment of your daughter. Who d you think the college coaches speak to after an athlete emails the college coach to tell them that they are interested in that particular school and the coach sees the kid play in a tourn? The college coach will tell the club coach whether they are interested and if so, will tell the club coach to have the parent call them. The Smith's are flat out too lazy to be a part of this process. BS is off hunting while other clubs are at recruiting showcases and having practice already.

Some coaches seem to imply they have no relationship with top guns and don't speak with Shannon. When you go to the camps and YJ has called ahead it may give that player an extra look. I seem to think that when SS took Hofstra job some worried about conflict of interest. It seems like it hurt her reputation among coaches.

They need to step up and pay attention to all players to keep kids with club

Telling players to contact coaches themselves is great but when coaches want to speak to a director afterwards they should make the calls.

That is why they are losing so many players on teams at or approaching the recruiting age. They are simply not helping in the process. They are not taking kids to the tournaments that have many coaches attending and when they do the girls are ill prepared because for many teams it is the first time they are playing tough teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You should use your time helping your daughter to improve her skills instead of coming on here and blaming anyone you can that she's not being paid enough attention. I think that's the point!

Again you're missing the point. I'm not on here blaming the Smiths for anything that has gone on with my daughter. When you sign up for an organization, you look for things that separate them from other clubs. You're promised that you will have world class coaching. They dont have any. You're promised that you can speak to either BS or SS whenever you need to and that doesn't happen. You're told that all teams are overseen by SS and that has never happened. The website now says that your daughter will be overseen by someone in the Smith family. Also promised to be walked through the recruiting process. If being told that if you're not a top 5 player on the black then give up your D1 dreams, I'm glad they didn't help me.

Let's hear from parents of current seniors. Whether on black or purple ( no need to reply if going to Hofstea or the sister school Towson). Did you get any help from TG in the recruiting process? Let's try and keep it honest and precise.

Not sure what type of help you were looking for. Were you looking for someone to go pick up ground balls for your daughter? Perhaps you wanted someone to play defense for her. I know you would never ask anyone to score a goal for her. It sounds as if you want someone to lie to the coaches and tell them that your daughter is not the girl that they see on the field. Maybe you were hoping that someone could tell the college coaches that your daughter is faster than she looks or maybe tell a coach that she hustles even though it doesn't look like she does. Maybe you wanted someone to forge her transcript or lie about her SAT or ACT scores.

Wake up. College Coaches go and watch the girls play. If they like what they see they will come calling. The best players get offers from the best schools. If your daughter went to tournaments and college coaches watched her play and did not express interest it is not the fault of the club coach or director.

If your daughter was not or is not being recruited it is because the college coaches do not think she will help their program. The College coaches sit and watch and they know what they see and they know what they like.

So you believe that the Smiths shouldn't be picking up a phone and assisting their players get looks or recruited. Then you don't need TG go to camps and clinics those same coaches that are supposedly watching the games will also be at the clinics with no help from the Smiths. At least YJ will give more help and their track record speaks for itself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You should use your time helping your daughter to improve her skills instead of coming on here and blaming anyone you can that she's not being paid enough attention. I think that's the point!

Again you're missing the point. I'm not on here blaming the Smiths for anything that has gone on with my daughter. When you sign up for an organization, you look for things that separate them from other clubs. You're promised that you will have world class coaching. They dont have any. You're promised that you can speak to either BS or SS whenever you need to and that doesn't happen. You're told that all teams are overseen by SS and that has never happened. The website now says that your daughter will be overseen by someone in the Smith family. Also promised to be walked through the recruiting process. If being told that if you're not a top 5 player on the black then give up your D1 dreams, I'm glad they didn't help me.

Let's hear from parents of current seniors. Whether on black or purple ( no need to reply if going to Hofstea or the sister school Towson). Did you get any help from TG in the recruiting process? Let's try and keep it honest and precise.

Not sure what type of help you were looking for. Were you looking for someone to go pick up ground balls for your daughter? Perhaps you wanted someone to play defense for her. I know you would never ask anyone to score a goal for her. It sounds as if you want someone to lie to the coaches and tell them that your daughter is not the girl that they see on the field. Maybe you were hoping that someone could tell the college coaches that your daughter is faster than she looks or maybe tell a coach that she hustles even though it doesn't look like she does. Maybe you wanted someone to forge her transcript or lie about her SAT or ACT scores.

Wake up. College Coaches go and watch the girls play. If they like what they see they will come calling. The best players get offers from the best schools. If your daughter went to tournaments and college coaches watched her play and did not express interest it is not the fault of the club coach or director.

If your daughter was not or is not being recruited it is because the college coaches do not think she will help their program. The College coaches sit and watch and they know what they see and they know what they like.

So you believe that the Smiths shouldn't be picking up a phone and assisting their players get looks or recruited. Then you don't need TG go to camps and clinics those same coaches that are supposedly watching the games will also be at the clinics with no help from the Smiths. At least YJ will give more help and their track record speaks for itself.

Most of the parents who complain about the Smith and or Top guns are delusional and have children who would not make a YJ Blue Team. Over the years the best players on TG teams have been recruited by the top programs. I have watched the best TG players get approached at camps by coaches from the top programs in the country. And I have watched the parents complain when the coaches do not ask to speak with their daughters. Elevate and Liberty players also get recruited by the top programs as well. It is simple, YJ have more top tier players on their top teams than do Elevate, Liberty or Top Guns.

If the player is really good the best programs in the country will recruit her.
The best indicator of where your daughter falls in the pecking order is what schools made offers? What were the offers? Where did she fall in the recruiting process?

If your daughters offers came early from the top schools in the country she is more than likely a very strong player.

If your daughters offers came from second tier programs after they had 4 or 5 kids committed she is not a top player.

Blame other people all you want but the reality is college coaches do not need anyone to tell them who the best players on the field are.

Here is a hint in top level recruiting what do all the major programs have in common. Speed, Speed and more Speed. Speed is a gift, quickness can be coached. Many younger players sit on attack and power their way to the net. That isn't a must have for top level coaches as they can coach that. If little sally isn't fast as [lacrosse]. Her chances of being any early recruit to a top school is a very difficult road.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is a hint in top level recruiting what do all the major programs have in common. Speed, Speed and more Speed. Speed is a gift, quickness can be coached. Many younger players sit on attack and power their way to the net. That isn't a must have for top level coaches as they can coach that. If little sally isn't fast as [lacrosse]. Her chances of being any early recruit to a top school is a very difficult road.

The man who coached my daughter in youth lacrosse would say, "Watch the movement, not the moves." He would also point out the level of competition and say "that will not work against better competition."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is a hint in top level recruiting what do all the major programs have in common. Speed, Speed and more Speed. Speed is a gift, quickness can be coached. Many younger players sit on attack and power their way to the net. That isn't a must have for top level coaches as they can coach that. If little sally isn't fast as [lacrosse]. Her chances of being any early recruit to a top school is a very difficult road.

True to some extent but overstated . Look at many of the recruits going to the top lax schools many are above average speed but not the fastest players .

But they said they would get my daughter recruited, wah wah wah. We switch clubs and now she's going D1. She got no money and the school is crappy, but who cares!

[quote=Anonymous]But they said they would get my daughter recruited, wah wah wah. We switch clubs and now she's going D1. She got no money and the school is crappy, but who cares!

We'll said Bill

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You should use your time helping your daughter to improve her skills instead of coming on here and blaming anyone you can that she's not being paid enough attention. I think that's the point!

Again you're missing the point. I'm not on here blaming the Smiths for anything that has gone on with my daughter. When you sign up for an organization, you look for things that separate them from other clubs. You're promised that you will have world class coaching. They dont have any. You're promised that you can speak to either BS or SS whenever you need to and that doesn't happen. You're told that all teams are overseen by SS and that has never happened. The website now says that your daughter will be overseen by someone in the Smith family. Also promised to be walked through the recruiting process. If being told that if you're not a top 5 player on the black then give up your D1 dreams, I'm glad they didn't help me.

Let's hear from parents of current seniors. Whether on black or purple ( no need to reply if going to Hofstea or the sister school Towson). Did you get any help from TG in the recruiting process? Let's try and keep it honest and precise.

Not sure what type of help you were looking for. Were you looking for someone to go pick up ground balls for your daughter? Perhaps you wanted someone to play defense for her. I know you would never ask anyone to score a goal for her. It sounds as if you want someone to lie to the coaches and tell them that your daughter is not the girl that they see on the field. Maybe you were hoping that someone could tell the college coaches that your daughter is faster than she looks or maybe tell a coach that she hustles even though it doesn't look like she does. Maybe you wanted someone to forge her transcript or lie about her SAT or ACT scores.

Wake up. College Coaches go and watch the girls play. If they like what they see they will come calling. The best players get offers from the best schools. If your daughter went to tournaments and college coaches watched her play and did not express interest it is not the fault of the club coach or director.

If your daughter was not or is not being recruited it is because the college coaches do not think she will help their program. The College coaches sit and watch and they know what they see and they know what they like.

So you believe that the Smiths shouldn't be picking up a phone and assisting their players get looks or recruited. Then you don't need TG go to camps and clinics those same coaches that are supposedly watching the games will also be at the clinics with no help from the Smiths. At least YJ will give more help and their track record speaks for itself.

Most of the parents who complain about the Smith and or Top guns are delusional and have children who would not make a YJ Blue Team. Over the years the best players on TG teams have been recruited by the top programs. I have watched the best TG players get approached at camps by coaches from the top programs in the country. And I have watched the parents complain when the coaches do not ask to speak with their daughters. Elevate and Liberty players also get recruited by the top programs as well. It is simple, YJ have more top tier players on their top teams than do Elevate, Liberty or Top Guns.

If the player is really good the best programs in the country will recruit her.
The best indicator of where your daughter falls in the pecking order is what schools made offers? What were the offers? Where did she fall in the recruiting process?

If your daughters offers came early from the top schools in the country she is more than likely a very strong player.

If your daughters offers came from second tier programs after they had 4 or 5 kids committed she is not a top player.

Blame other people all you want but the reality is college coaches do not need anyone to tell them who the best players on the field are.

If your kids not playing on the field where the coaches are sitting what difference does it make? Tg avoid top competition and that means they're not at the tournaments where the college coaches are sitting

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You should use your time helping your daughter to improve her skills instead of coming on here and blaming anyone you can that she's not being paid enough attention. I think that's the point!

Again you're missing the point. I'm not on here blaming the Smiths for anything that has gone on with my daughter. When you sign up for an organization, you look for things that separate them from other clubs. You're promised that you will have world class coaching. They dont have any. You're promised that you can speak to either BS or SS whenever you need to and that doesn't happen. You're told that all teams are overseen by SS and that has never happened. The website now says that your daughter will be overseen by someone in the Smith family. Also promised to be walked through the recruiting process. If being told that if you're not a top 5 player on the black then give up your D1 dreams, I'm glad they didn't help me.

Let's hear from parents of current seniors. Whether on black or purple ( no need to reply if going to Hofstea or the sister school Towson). Did you get any help from TG in the recruiting process? Let's try and keep it honest and precise.

Not sure what type of help you were looking for. Were you looking for someone to go pick up ground balls for your daughter? Perhaps you wanted someone to play defense for her. I know you would never ask anyone to score a goal for her. It sounds as if you want someone to lie to the coaches and tell them that your daughter is not the girl that they see on the field. Maybe you were hoping that someone could tell the college coaches that your daughter is faster than she looks or maybe tell a coach that she hustles even though it doesn't look like she does. Maybe you wanted someone to forge her transcript or lie about her SAT or ACT scores.

Wake up. College Coaches go and watch the girls play. If they like what they see they will come calling. The best players get offers from the best schools. If your daughter went to tournaments and college coaches watched her play and did not express interest it is not the fault of the club coach or director.

If your daughter was not or is not being recruited it is because the college coaches do not think she will help their program. The College coaches sit and watch and they know what they see and they know what they like.

So you believe that the Smiths shouldn't be picking up a phone and assisting their players get looks or recruited. Then you don't need TG go to camps and clinics those same coaches that are supposedly watching the games will also be at the clinics with no help from the Smiths. At least YJ will give more help and their track record speaks for itself.

Most of the parents who complain about the Smith and or Top guns are delusional and have children who would not make a YJ Blue Team. Over the years the best players on TG teams have been recruited by the top programs. I have watched the best TG players get approached at camps by coaches from the top programs in the country. And I have watched the parents complain when the coaches do not ask to speak with their daughters. Elevate and Liberty players also get recruited by the top programs as well. It is simple, YJ have more top tier players on their top teams than do Elevate, Liberty or Top Guns.

If the player is really good the best programs in the country will recruit her.
The best indicator of where your daughter falls in the pecking order is what schools made offers? What were the offers? Where did she fall in the recruiting process?

If your daughters offers came early from the top schools in the country she is more than likely a very strong player.

If your daughters offers came from second tier programs after they had 4 or 5 kids committed she is not a top player.

Blame other people all you want but the reality is college coaches do not need anyone to tell them who the best players on the field are.

If your kids not playing on the field where the coaches are sitting what difference does it make? Tg avoid top competition and that means they're not at the tournaments where the college coaches are sitting

Then how do they have girls going to Harvard, Princeton, Maryland, etc.? Stop being so bitter that your daughter isn't as good as you think she is. Good players get recruited. If you just depend on a club to promote your daughter, chances are slim for her getting the big offers. There is a place for everyone, if they want to play. are you also mad at your HS guidance counselor because they didn't call Yale to say how great your mediocre daughter is? Don't you see, the problem is YOU!

So many of you missing the point. If a club states they will help with the recruiting process then they should. End of story. To cash a check and not pick up a phone or send an email is disgraceful to be the girls. They have no problem posting committed athletes but the majority did the work themselves. Save your money, go to camps of the school your child is interested in and travel (if you must) on a local small club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So many of you missing the point. If a club states they will help with the recruiting process then they should. End of story. To cash a check and not pick up a phone or send an email is disgraceful to be the girls. They have no problem posting committed athletes but the majority did the work themselves. Save your money, go to camps of the school your child is interested in and travel (if you must) on a local small club.

Think you are missing the point. If a kid is not good enough to be recognized and recruited, it's not the club directors fault. Please try to be realistic! I'm sure your daughter is good at other things that can help her get into college. I know it's a bitter pill to swallow after years of Paying for travel lax, but only a few are really cut out to play and enjoy the rigors of D1 athletics. Sounds like you need to let it go. The girls who will excell at the next level do not need club directors kissing [lacrosse] to get them recruited. Stop blaming others for your daughters shortcomings and be happy for the other accomplishments she has made in her life. Lacrosse is only important to the parents watching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So many of you missing the point. If a club states they will help with the recruiting process then they should. End of story. To cash a check and not pick up a phone or send an email is disgraceful to be the girls. They have no problem posting committed athletes but the majority did the work themselves. Save your money, go to camps of the school your child is interested in and travel (if you must) on a local small club.

Think you are missing the point. If a kid is not good enough to be recognized and recruited, it's not the club directors fault. Please try to be realistic! I'm sure your daughter is good at other things that can help her get into college. I know it's a bitter pill to swallow after years of Paying for travel lax, but only a few are really cut out to play and enjoy the rigors of D1 athletics. Sounds like you need to let it go. The girls who will excell at the next level do not need club directors kissing [lacrosse] to get them recruited. Stop blaming others for your daughters shortcomings and be happy for the other accomplishments she has made in her life. Lacrosse is only important to the parents watching.

That was the point I was trying to make. If you're told that they will help in the recruiting process then they should help. Just because you're not one of the top 5, your money is just as good as anyone else's. D1 is not for everyone and they should do just as much legwork for a girl going to D2 or 3 as they do for a D1 player. The top 5 at every club are going D1 and really aren't going to need the same help as the rest. It's the other 95% of the club they have to help. There are over 500 teams between all 3 divisions. There is a place for everyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So many of you missing the point. If a club states they will help with the recruiting process then they should. End of story. To cash a check and not pick up a phone or send an email is disgraceful to be the girls. They have no problem posting committed athletes but the majority did the work themselves. Save your money, go to camps of the school your child is interested in and travel (if you must) on a local small club.

Think you are missing the point. If a kid is not good enough to be recognized and recruited, it's not the club directors fault. Please try to be realistic! I'm sure your daughter is good at other things that can help her get into college. I know it's a bitter pill to swallow after years of Paying for travel lax, but only a few are really cut out to play and enjoy the rigors of D1 athletics. Sounds like you need to let it go. The girls who will excell at the next level do not need club directors kissing [lacrosse] to get them recruited. Stop blaming others for your daughters shortcomings and be happy for the other accomplishments she has made in her life. Lacrosse is only important to the parents watching.

Past- There are many talented athletes that also play D2&3, which are also rigorous programs. Nobody is saying its a club directors "fault" and I have never heard of any club director kissing any college coach [lacrosse]. But maybe that's what worked for you. No need to get so nasty, life is to short. If a young lady asks the director of a club to contact a coach it should be a very very simple process, emails take 30 seconds and the family can be copied on it. Whether the coach responds is a whole other subject, let the college decide on the athletes ability. The point is initiating contact, and it's lousy that when asked to the request is dismissed. We all know an athlete can contact the coach directly, but to have a club director cash a check for years without ever sending 1 email on behalf of a kid is disgusting.

Past- There are many talented athletes that also play D2&3, which are also rigorous programs. Nobody is saying its a club directors "fault" and I have never heard of any club director kissing any college coach [lacrosse]. But maybe that's what worked for you. No need to get so nasty, life is to short. If a young lady asks the director of a club to contact a coach it should be a very very simple process, emails take 30 seconds and the family can be copied on it. Whether the coach responds is a whole other subject, let the college decide on the athletes ability. The point is initiating contact, and it's lousy that when asked to the request is dismissed. We all know an athlete can contact the coach directly, but to have a club director cash a check for years without ever sending 1 email on behalf of a kid is disgusting.

^^^^^^ Exactly!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Past- There are many talented athletes that also play D2&3, which are also rigorous programs. Nobody is saying its a club directors "fault" and I have never heard of any club director kissing any college coach [lacrosse]. But maybe that's what worked for you. No need to get so nasty, life is to short. If a young lady asks the director of a club to contact a coach it should be a very very simple process, emails take 30 seconds and the family can be copied on it. Whether the coach responds is a whole other subject, let the college decide on the athletes ability. The point is initiating contact, and it's lousy that when asked to the request is dismissed. We all know an athlete can contact the coach directly, but to have a club director cash a check for years without ever sending 1 email on behalf of a kid is disgusting.

^^^^^^ Exactly!!!!!!!!

Coaches want the KID to take initiative and contact them. You should also send your highlights. If the coach is interested they will contact your HS or club coach or in most cases both. After that its up to the kid to follow up. It is in the interest of both HS and club coach to get kids recruited. it only makes them look good. I believe you are a bit delusional because you are expecting the club coach to promote your daughter, which is not their role. YJ does not deal with that nonsense either. In fact they encourage you to pay extra for their recruiting service. The better girls do not need any of this additional money grab.

The reality is with all the directions SS is being pulled whether it is Hofstra or LI Sound they need to bring someone on board as a co-director or recruiting coordinator to move Top Gun forward and stop reliying on BS to pick up the slack. The current format is not working and pushing people away. If they do not it will be the downfall of this club. Maybe the SL departure a couple years ago has them apprehensive but they need to do something.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Past- There are many talented athletes that also play D2&3, which are also rigorous programs. Nobody is saying its a club directors "fault" and I have never heard of any club director kissing any college coach [lacrosse]. But maybe that's what worked for you. No need to get so nasty, life is to short. If a young lady asks the director of a club to contact a coach it should be a very very simple process, emails take 30 seconds and the family can be copied on it. Whether the coach responds is a whole other subject, let the college decide on the athletes ability. The point is initiating contact, and it's lousy that when asked to the request is dismissed. We all know an athlete can contact the coach directly, but to have a club director cash a check for years without ever sending 1 email on behalf of a kid is disgusting.

^^^^^^ Exactly!!!!!!!!

Coaches want the KID to take initiative and contact them. You should also send your highlights. If the coach is interested they will contact your HS or club coach or in most cases both. After that its up to the kid to follow up. It is in the interest of both HS and club coach to get kids recruited. it only makes them look good. I believe you are a bit delusional because you are expecting the club coach to promote your daughter, which is not their role. YJ does not deal with that nonsense either. In fact they encourage you to pay extra for their recruiting service. The better girls do not need any of this additional money grab.

Not one of these posts said anything about anyone expecting a club coach to promote their kid. NOT ONE. Sending an email on behalf of a player should not be ignored. Next subject..

yes, expecting the directors to send an email is not unreasonable, unless of course the targeted team is to much of reach. I don't think any coach or director will contact a college if the player has no realistic chance of playing there. A 2nd team player (I have 2) has no realistic chance at a top 5 school, with the very rare exception. would A Guidance counselor push a C student to an Ivy ? Would a supervisor recommend an unqualified employee for a promotion ? If you are realistic The Smiths will help as they have done in the past, just like any other director.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yes, expecting the directors to send an email is not unreasonable, unless of course the targeted team is to much of reach. I don't think any coach or director will contact a college if the player has no realistic chance of playing there. A 2nd team player (I have 2) has no realistic chance at a top 5 school, with the very rare exception. would A Guidance counselor push a C student to an Ivy ? Would a supervisor recommend an unqualified employee for a promotion ? If you are realistic The Smiths will help as they have done in the past, just like any other director.

I understand what your saying, but who says Bill Smith is the end all talent evaluator...if he was that great, he would be on a college staff. He could just send an email stating that the kid is a hard working good kid...let the college coaches make their own assessment...God knows we've all been on teams where kids are going to top schools and can't understand why...just my opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yes, expecting the directors to send an email is not unreasonable, unless of course the targeted team is to much of reach. I don't think any coach or director will contact a college if the player has no realistic chance of playing there. A 2nd team player (I have 2) has no realistic chance at a top 5 school, with the very rare exception. would A Guidance counselor push a C student to an Ivy ? Would a supervisor recommend an unqualified employee for a promotion ? If you are realistic The Smiths will help as they have done in the past, just like any other director.

I understand what your saying, but who says Bill Smith is the end all talent evaluator...if he was that great, he would be on a college staff. He could just send an email stating that the kid is a hard working good kid...let the college coaches make their own assessment...God knows we've all been on teams where kids are going to top schools and can't understand why...just my opinion.

Is there solid proof that he doesn't do this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Past- There are many talented athletes that also play D2&3, which are also rigorous programs. Nobody is saying its a club directors "fault" and I have never heard of any club director kissing any college coach [lacrosse]. But maybe that's what worked for you. No need to get so nasty, life is to short. If a young lady asks the director of a club to contact a coach it should be a very very simple process, emails take 30 seconds and the family can be copied on it. Whether the coach responds is a whole other subject, let the college decide on the athletes ability. The point is initiating contact, and it's lousy that when asked to the request is dismissed. We all know an athlete can contact the coach directly, but to have a club director cash a check for years without ever sending 1 email on behalf of a kid is disgusting.

^^^^^^ Exactly!!!!!!!!

Coaches want the KID to take initiative and contact them. You should also send your highlights. If the coach is interested they will contact your HS or club coach or in most cases both. After that its up to the kid to follow up. It is in the interest of both HS and club coach to get kids recruited. it only makes them look good. I believe you are a bit delusional because you are expecting the club coach to promote your daughter, which is not their role. YJ does not deal with that nonsense either. In fact they encourage you to pay extra for their recruiting service. The better girls do not need any of this additional money grab.

Not one of these posts said anything about anyone expecting a club coach to promote their kid. NOT ONE. Sending an email on behalf of a player should not be ignored. Next subject..

Sending an email to a college coach is promoting a kid. Not the directors job. The directors job is to answer questions about a kid after the college coach approaches them. It's the families (kids) job to contact college coaches and let them know they are interested and where they will be playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Past- There are many talented athletes that also play D2&3, which are also rigorous programs. Nobody is saying its a club directors "fault" and I have never heard of any club director kissing any college coach [lacrosse]. But maybe that's what worked for you. No need to get so nasty, life is to short. If a young lady asks the director of a club to contact a coach it should be a very very simple process, emails take 30 seconds and the family can be copied on it. Whether the coach responds is a whole other subject, let the college decide on the athletes ability. The point is initiating contact, and it's lousy that when asked to the request is dismissed. We all know an athlete can contact the coach directly, but to have a club director cash a check for years without ever sending 1 email on behalf of a kid is disgusting.

^^^^^^ Exactly!!!!!!!!

Coaches want the KID to take initiative and contact them. You should also send your highlights. If the coach is interested they will contact your HS or club coach or in most cases both. After that its up to the kid to follow up. It is in the interest of both HS and club coach to get kids recruited. it only makes them look good. I believe you are a bit delusional because you are expecting the club coach to promote your daughter, which is not their role. YJ does not deal with that nonsense either. In fact they encourage you to pay extra for their recruiting service. The better girls do not need any of this additional money grab.

Not one of these posts said anything about anyone expecting a club coach to promote their kid. NOT ONE. Sending an email on behalf of a player should not be ignored. Next subject..

Sending an email to a college coach is promoting a kid. Not the directors job. The directors job is to answer questions about a kid after the college coach approaches them. It's the families (kids) job to contact college coaches and let them know they are interested and where they will be playing.

And who made you the expert on directors job responsibilities? maybe this has something to do with TG downward spiral, maybe it doesn't. But it seems like you hear more about it at TG, than yj,liberty and elevate combined.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Past- There are many talented athletes that also play D2&3, which are also rigorous programs. Nobody is saying its a club directors "fault" and I have never heard of any club director kissing any college coach [lacrosse]. But maybe that's what worked for you. No need to get so nasty, life is to short. If a young lady asks the director of a club to contact a coach it should be a very very simple process, emails take 30 seconds and the family can be copied on it. Whether the coach responds is a whole other subject, let the college decide on the athletes ability. The point is initiating contact, and it's lousy that when asked to the request is dismissed. We all know an athlete can contact the coach directly, but to have a club director cash a check for years without ever sending 1 email on behalf of a kid is disgusting.

^^^^^^ Exactly!!!!!!!!

Coaches want the KID to take initiative and contact them. You should also send your highlights. If the coach is interested they will contact your HS or club coach or in most cases both. After that its up to the kid to follow up. It is in the interest of both HS and club coach to get kids recruited. it only makes them look good. I believe you are a bit delusional because you are expecting the club coach to promote your daughter, which is not their role. YJ does not deal with that nonsense either. In fact they encourage you to pay extra for their recruiting service. The better girls do not need any of this additional money grab.

Not one of these posts said anything about anyone expecting a club coach to promote their kid. NOT ONE. Sending an email on behalf of a player should not be ignored. Next subject..

Sending an email to a college coach is promoting a kid. Not the directors job. The directors job is to answer questions about a kid after the college coach approaches them. It's the families (kids) job to contact college coaches and let them know they are interested and where they will be playing.

This is EXACTLY correct.

Funny how each club is different. Other travel clubs coaches email colleges just to look for a certain kid at a camp or event. Especially if they have a good relationship. An email from a coach or director usually gathers more interest than just the kid emailing (which they should absolutely do on their own.) The college coach will usually reach out to the travel coach or director if they have interest. This is what was done for my kid and her team. We are not TG.

Maybe Bill Smith should think about changing it up, might not lose his best kids come recruiting age...just a thought.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Past- There are many talented athletes that also play D2&3, which are also rigorous programs. Nobody is saying its a club directors "fault" and I have never heard of any club director kissing any college coach [lacrosse]. But maybe that's what worked for you. No need to get so nasty, life is to short. If a young lady asks the director of a club to contact a coach it should be a very very simple process, emails take 30 seconds and the family can be copied on it. Whether the coach responds is a whole other subject, let the college decide on the athletes ability. The point is initiating contact, and it's lousy that when asked to the request is dismissed. We all know an athlete can contact the coach directly, but to have a club director cash a check for years without ever sending 1 email on behalf of a kid is disgusting.

^^^^^^ Exactly!!!!!!!!

Coaches want the KID to take initiative and contact them. You should also send your highlights. If the coach is interested they will contact your HS or club coach or in most cases both. After that its up to the kid to follow up. It is in the interest of both HS and club coach to get kids recruited. it only makes them look good. I believe you are a bit delusional because you are expecting the club coach to promote your daughter, which is not their role. YJ does not deal with that nonsense either. In fact they encourage you to pay extra for their recruiting service. The better girls do not need any of this additional money grab.

Not one of these posts said anything about anyone expecting a club coach to promote their kid. NOT ONE. Sending an email on behalf of a player should not be ignored. Next subject..

Sending an email to a college coach is promoting a kid. Not the directors job. The directors job is to answer questions about a kid after the college coach approaches them. It's the families (kids) job to contact college coaches and let them know they are interested and where they will be playing.

This is EXACTLY correct.

No Bill/Shannon, that is not correct. That is a lazy pathetic excuse. But this thread is an excellent eye opener to those who think TG will act in the best interest of an athlete. Clearly they do not.

I think it's done a little different here in MD. The club directors for my daughter's team advised us on how to write the email that was sent to the college coaches; things to say, tournament schedule,how to say it, what not to say, etc. Then, it was up to us and the kid to send emails to the college coaches on my daughter's list. If a school saw my daughter at a tournament and wanted to have her visit their school, they would contact our coach or director and pass the message on to us and we would call or make arrangements with the school. We were very happy with that method and it worked out very well for my 2016 daughter. It was more of our responsibility to initiate contact with a college coach, not the director. They were always available to answer questions and promote the player but did not initiate any college contact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Past- There are many talented athletes that also play D2&3, which are also rigorous programs. Nobody is saying its a club directors "fault" and I have never heard of any club director kissing any college coach [lacrosse]. But maybe that's what worked for you. No need to get so nasty, life is to short. If a young lady asks the director of a club to contact a coach it should be a very very simple process, emails take 30 seconds and the family can be copied on it. Whether the coach responds is a whole other subject, let the college decide on the athletes ability. The point is initiating contact, and it's lousy that when asked to the request is dismissed. We all know an athlete can contact the coach directly, but to have a club director cash a check for years without ever sending 1 email on behalf of a kid is disgusting.

^^^^^^ Exactly!!!!!!!!

Coaches want the KID to take initiative and contact them. You should also send your highlights. If the coach is interested they will contact your HS or club coach or in most cases both. After that its up to the kid to follow up. It is in the interest of both HS and club coach to get kids recruited. it only makes them look good. I believe you are a bit delusional because you are expecting the club coach to promote your daughter, which is not their role. YJ does not deal with that nonsense either. In fact they encourage you to pay extra for their recruiting service. The better girls do not need any of this additional money grab.

Not one of these posts said anything about anyone expecting a club coach to promote their kid. NOT ONE. Sending an email on behalf of a player should not be ignored. Next subject..

Sending an email to a college coach is promoting a kid. Not the directors job. The directors job is to answer questions about a kid after the college coach approaches them. It's the families (kids) job to contact college coaches and let them know they are interested and where they will be playing.

This is EXACTLY correct.

Sorry but you are just completely wrong. A coach and club director should be more than willing to make a call.The better college programs get easily 500 emails a year that so and so would like to play for their program, if you do not think college coaches pay extra attention when a club director calls and says they should take a look at a kid you are just plain wrong. How much attention will be related to the relationship between that head coach and director and their prior dealings with one another.Are they going to want to see the kid play themselves, of course but a call or email from the right person will make it that they at least go and watch or as the coaches like to say put the kid on their radar.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Past- There are many talented athletes that also play D2&3, which are also rigorous programs. Nobody is saying its a club directors "fault" and I have never heard of any club director kissing any college coach [lacrosse]. But maybe that's what worked for you. No need to get so nasty, life is to short. If a young lady asks the director of a club to contact a coach it should be a very very simple process, emails take 30 seconds and the family can be copied on it. Whether the coach responds is a whole other subject, let the college decide on the athletes ability. The point is initiating contact, and it's lousy that when asked to the request is dismissed. We all know an athlete can contact the coach directly, but to have a club director cash a check for years without ever sending 1 email on behalf of a kid is disgusting.

^^^^^^ Exactly!!!!!!!!

Coaches want the KID to take initiative and contact them. You should also send your highlights. If the coach is interested they will contact your HS or club coach or in most cases both. After that its up to the kid to follow up. It is in the interest of both HS and club coach to get kids recruited. it only makes them look good. I believe you are a bit delusional because you are expecting the club coach to promote your daughter, which is not their role. YJ does not deal with that nonsense either. In fact they encourage you to pay extra for their recruiting service. The better girls do not need any of this additional money grab.

Not one of these posts said anything about anyone expecting a club coach to promote their kid. NOT ONE. Sending an email on behalf of a player should not be ignored. Next subject..

Sending an email to a college coach is promoting a kid. Not the directors job. The directors job is to answer questions about a kid after the college coach approaches them. It's the families (kids) job to contact college coaches and let them know they are interested and where they will be playing.

This is EXACTLY correct.

No Bill/Shannon, that is not correct. That is a lazy pathetic excuse. But this thread is an excellent eye opener to those who think TG will act in the best interest of an athlete. Clearly they do not.

Sorry your daughter is getting no interest, she's just an average player, not anyone's fault. You need to get over it and stop blaming others. Unbelievable the way everyone thinks their daughter deserves a scholarship because she played travel lacrosse. At least you will always have that shelf full of participation trophies!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it's done a little different here in MD. The club directors for my daughter's team advised us on how to write the email that was sent to the college coaches; things to say, tournament schedule,how to say it, what not to say, etc. Then, it was up to us and the kid to send emails to the college coaches on my daughter's list. If a school saw my daughter at a tournament and wanted to have her visit their school, they would contact our coach or director and pass the message on to us and we would call or make arrangements with the school. We were very happy with that method and it worked out very well for my 2016 daughter. It was more of our responsibility to initiate contact with a college coach, not the director. They were always available to answer questions and promote the player but did not initiate any college contact.

EXACTLY! Thank you!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The reality is with all the directions SS is being pulled whether it is Hofstra or LI Sound they need to bring someone on board as a co-director or recruiting coordinator to move Top Gun forward and stop reliying on BS to pick up the slack. The current format is not working and pushing people away. If they do not it will be the downfall of this club. Maybe the SL departure a couple years ago has them apprehensive but they need to do something.

If your last name isn't Smith you're not getting a slice of the pie, that's why there are no real adult coaches at TG and in terms of evaluating talent, I think the Hofstra team of last season (all SS recruits) speaks volumes on that subject, she did much better with the kids that she inherited

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Past- There are many talented athletes that also play D2&3, which are also rigorous programs. Nobody is saying its a club directors "fault" and I have never heard of any club director kissing any college coach [lacrosse]. But maybe that's what worked for you. No need to get so nasty, life is to short. If a young lady asks the director of a club to contact a coach it should be a very very simple process, emails take 30 seconds and the family can be copied on it. Whether the coach responds is a whole other subject, let the college decide on the athletes ability. The point is initiating contact, and it's lousy that when asked to the request is dismissed. We all know an athlete can contact the coach directly, but to have a club director cash a check for years without ever sending 1 email on behalf of a kid is disgusting.

^^^^^^ Exactly!!!!!!!!

Coaches want the KID to take initiative and contact them. You should also send your highlights. If the coach is interested they will contact your HS or club coach or in most cases both. After that its up to the kid to follow up. It is in the interest of both HS and club coach to get kids recruited. it only makes them look good. I believe you are a bit delusional because you are expecting the club coach to promote your daughter, which is not their role. YJ does not deal with that nonsense either. In fact they encourage you to pay extra for their recruiting service. The better girls do not need any of this additional money grab.

Not one of these posts said anything about anyone expecting a club coach to promote their kid. NOT ONE. Sending an email on behalf of a player should not be ignored. Next subject..

Sending an email to a college coach is promoting a kid. Not the directors job. The directors job is to answer questions about a kid after the college coach approaches them. It's the families (kids) job to contact college coaches and let them know they are interested and where they will be playing.

This is EXACTLY correct.

No Bill/Shannon, that is not correct. That is a lazy pathetic excuse. But this thread is an excellent eye opener to those who think TG will act in the best interest of an athlete. Clearly they do not.

This thread is not an "eye opener" it is filled with sour grapes...which is the only people who come on this forum! People who have good experiences don't come on here, they have no need to. And no my last name is not Smith, I'm just sick of all the delusional comments on here!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The reality is with all the directions SS is being pulled whether it is Hofstra or LI Sound they need to bring someone on board as a co-director or recruiting coordinator to move Top Gun forward and stop reliying on BS to pick up the slack. The current format is not working and pushing people away. If they do not it will be the downfall of this club. Maybe the SL departure a couple years ago has them apprehensive but they need to do something.

If your last name isn't Smith you're not getting a slice of the pie, that's why there are no real adult coaches at TG and in terms of evaluating talent, I think the Hofstra team of last season (all SS recruits) speaks volumes on that subject, she did much better with the kids that she inherited

And still you daughter is an average player, who needs to beg for a coach to watch her, HA! Stalking the Smiths again, CREEPY!

Hey MD , that's exactly how it's done.

Yes a call from a coach or director goes a long way for the right player at the right school. But a call should not be made to MD, SYR, UNC or any other top program if the player simply is not on that level.

As for BS not being qualified to make that decision, any non biased person that has watched D1 sports can tell if a player can play or not at that level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey MD , that's exactly how it's done.

Yes a call from a coach or director goes a long way for the right player at the right school. But a call should not be made to MD, SYR, UNC or any other top program if the player simply is not on that level.

As for BS not being qualified to make that decision, any non biased person that has watched D1 sports can tell if a player can play or not at that level.

Tom Brady 6th round #199 overall...i guess any non biased person that has watched D1 sports can tell if a player can play or not at that level...you can sit down now

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey MD , that's exactly how it's done.

Yes a call from a coach or director goes a long way for the right player at the right school. But a call should not be made to MD, SYR, UNC or any other top program if the player simply is not on that level.

As for BS not being qualified to make that decision, any non biased person that has watched D1 sports can tell if a player can play or not at that level.

BS is biased and the entire program is a conflict of interest with SS being the Hofstra coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey MD , that's exactly how it's done.

Yes a call from a coach or director goes a long way for the right player at the right school. But a call should not be made to MD, SYR, UNC or any other top program if the player simply is not on that level.

As for BS not being qualified to make that decision, any non biased person that has watched D1 sports can tell if a player can play or not at that level.

BS is biased and the entire program is a conflict of interest with SS being the Hofstra coach.

And you are biased thinking your daughter is good enough to be recruited by a top program. Please let it go, it's getting painfull . Plenty of people have come on here to explain to you the way recruiting works, why can't you get it and move on? Is it the Smiths fault that everyone hates you cause your a jackass?

Tom Brady - Michigan

Paid a deposit - still no rosters online? No fall practices? Zero communication. Starting to get annoyed.

hee haw...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Paid a deposit - still no rosters online? No fall practices? Zero communication. Starting to get annoyed.

Welcome to Top Guns.

Don't sweat the rosters, you know which team she made..
I don't think many clubs practice in the fall, they play a fall tourn or two but probably not practices.
what communication are you in need of? have you called or emailed them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Paid a deposit - still no rosters online? No fall practices? Zero communication. Starting to get annoyed.

They will put the rosters up eventually but what is the big deal. You should have gotten an email with the specific team your daughter is on.

The fall practice schedule was emailed and can be found on the website under "Practice Schedules"

The fall tournament information was mailed a while ago and you can find it under "Tournaments" on the website.

I feel the email correspondence has been more than adequate considering this is the fall season. Wake up.

The last four pages of this thread all started after one poster said they had been with TG for 7 years and Shannon was involved a lot. For 95% of the club that is not the case. They are the exception not the rule when it comes to this club. Now the snarky comment will be "well your daughter isn't good". Whether or not your daughter is the best girl on black or the worst girl on white. They should get what they paid for. Girls aren't asking to get into a D1 school when they don't belong there. Contacting a D2 or D3 coach is just as simple as contacting a D1 coach. Returning an email doesn't take that long no matter how many emails they have received. Is it too much to ask for common decency? My daughter says hello to every girl she sees at tournaments wearing TG stuff but the director and his daughter have a hard time doing that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Paid a deposit - still no rosters online? No fall practices? Zero communication. Starting to get annoyed.

Welcome to Top Guns.

Another family scammed, keep telling yourself it is all good though. That's what the rest of the TG families do. Eventually you will believe it, like the rest.

It's hunting season, Bill wont be around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Paid a deposit - still no rosters online? No fall practices? Zero communication. Starting to get annoyed.

Welcome to Top Guns.

Another family scammed, keep telling yourself it is all good though. That's what the rest of the TG families do. Eventually you will believe it, like the rest.

It's hunting season, Bill wont be around.

Where is there a scam? Some teams have not even had tryouts yet including some YJ teams. Not many teams practice in the fall including YJ. This is the time of year that many girls play with their towns or on pick up teams. Just the bitter troll that you are trying to create drama when theres none!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The last four pages of this thread all started after one poster said they had been with TG for 7 years and Shannon was involved a lot. For 95% of the club that is not the case. They are the exception not the rule when it comes to this club. Now the snarky comment will be "well your daughter isn't good". Whether or not your daughter is the best girl on black or the worst girl on white. They should get what they paid for. Girls aren't asking to get into a D1 school when they don't belong there. Contacting a D2 or D3 coach is just as simple as contacting a D1 coach. Returning an email doesn't take that long no matter how many emails they have received. Is it too much to ask for common decency? My daughter says hello to every girl she sees at tournaments wearing TG stuff but the director and his daughter have a hard time doing that.

Brilliant post! Spot on!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The last four pages of this thread all started after one poster said they had been with TG for 7 years and Shannon was involved a lot. For 95% of the club that is not the case. They are the exception not the rule when it comes to this club. Now the snarky comment will be "well your daughter isn't good". Whether or not your daughter is the best girl on black or the worst girl on white. They should get what they paid for. Girls aren't asking to get into a D1 school when they don't belong there. Contacting a D2 or D3 coach is just as simple as contacting a D1 coach. Returning an email doesn't take that long no matter how many emails they have received. Is it too much to ask for common decency? My daughter says hello to every girl she sees at tournaments wearing TG stuff but the director and his daughter have a hard time doing that.

You don it need anyone to contact a d3 coach. They are allowed to make contact and the player can call any d1 or d2 coach on their lisr

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The last four pages of this thread all started after one poster said they had been with TG for 7 years and Shannon was involved a lot. For 95% of the club that is not the case. They are the exception not the rule when it comes to this club. Now the snarky comment will be "well your daughter isn't good". Whether or not your daughter is the best girl on black or the worst girl on white. They should get what they paid for. Girls aren't asking to get into a D1 school when they don't belong there. Contacting a D2 or D3 coach is just as simple as contacting a D1 coach. Returning an email doesn't take that long no matter how many emails they have received. Is it too much to ask for common decency? My daughter says hello to every girl she sees at tournaments wearing TG stuff but the director and his daughter have a hard time doing that.

Brilliant post! Spot on!

Brilliant in your world maybe, clearly shows you don't have an understanding of the recruiting process. As it has been stated over and over, club coaches do not send emails, that is the players job. If a club director does not return an email, I would have an issue. College coaches normally call, not email, so I am skepical

Doesn't it say on the first page of their website, tryouts for fall winter spring teams. Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that we would have practices in the fall

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesn't it say on the first page of their website, tryouts for fall winter spring teams. Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that we would have practices in the fall

No, because fall is complicated with girls in soccer and basketball. Fall is pay to play

I have been reading on here for a few years now that "95%" TG members are not happy, yet the clubs retention rate has been pretty consistent with other clubs. With the exception of 2020 Blk (coach leaving), most top teams have stayed relatively the same.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been reading on here for a few years now that "95%" TG members are not happy, yet the clubs retention rate has been pretty consistent with other clubs. With the exception of 2020 Blk (coach leaving), most top teams have stayed relatively the same.

We all know that the 95% figure is from YJ lemmings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The last four pages of this thread all started after one poster said they had been with TG for 7 years and Shannon was involved a lot. For 95% of the club that is not the case. They are the exception not the rule when it comes to this club. Now the snarky comment will be "well your daughter isn't good". Whether or not your daughter is the best girl on black or the worst girl on white. They should get what they paid for. Girls aren't asking to get into a D1 school when they don't belong there. Contacting a D2 or D3 coach is just as simple as contacting a D1 coach. Returning an email doesn't take that long no matter how many emails they have received. Is it too much to ask for common decency? My daughter says hello to every girl she sees at tournaments wearing TG stuff but the director and his daughter have a hard time doing that.

Brilliant post! Spot on!

Brilliant in your world maybe, clearly shows you don't have an understanding of the recruiting process. As it has been stated over and over, club coaches do not send emails, that is the players job. If a club director does not return an email, I would have an issue. College coaches normally call, not email, so I am skepical

So if the 95% have to do all the leg work themselves then what is the purpose of playing travel lacrosse?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Paid a deposit - still no rosters online? No fall practices? Zero communication. Starting to get annoyed.

nothing gets posted until after yj tryouts are over and they can pick up some disgruntled B, C & D team players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been reading on here for a few years now that "95%" TG members are not happy, yet the clubs retention rate has been pretty consistent with other clubs. With the exception of 2020 Blk (coach leaving), most top teams have stayed relatively the same.

There is no way to tell the retention rate without keeping print outs of rosters. Just because teams still have 25 girls on it, doesn't mean they are all returning players. Numerous girls from black and purple have left in the age groups of 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 in the past. This year 2021 lost 7 girls from there black team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been reading on here for a few years now that "95%" TG members are not happy, yet the clubs retention rate has been pretty consistent with other clubs. With the exception of 2020 Blk (coach leaving), most top teams have stayed relatively the same.

what are the options? those that could leave already have and the rest are stuck there for better or worse, it will start soon enough with the younger ages too

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The last four pages of this thread all started after one poster said they had been with TG for 7 years and Shannon was involved a lot. For 95% of the club that is not the case. They are the exception not the rule when it comes to this club. Now the snarky comment will be "well your daughter isn't good". Whether or not your daughter is the best girl on black or the worst girl on white. They should get what they paid for. Girls aren't asking to get into a D1 school when they don't belong there. Contacting a D2 or D3 coach is just as simple as contacting a D1 coach. Returning an email doesn't take that long no matter how many emails they have received. Is it too much to ask for common decency? My daughter says hello to every girl she sees at tournaments wearing TG stuff but the director and his daughter have a hard time doing that.

Brilliant post! Spot on!

Brilliant in your world maybe, clearly shows you don't have an understanding of the recruiting process. As it has been stated over and over, club coaches do not send emails, that is the players job. If a club director does not return an email, I would have an issue. College coaches normally call, not email, so I am skepical

You really are a douchie know it all. Plenty of club and high school coaches reach out on players behaves .If they have a player and believe that player is a descent fit for a program a call from a coach or director can go a long way . Say what you want but if SS or CR call a coach and tell them they have a kid who wants to go to their school and they believe the kid would be a good addition to their team that coach will at a minimum take a look .Been thru the process from both a parent and coaches perspective and will tell you more texts and emails are sent than calls made as your club coach can then just forward to the player .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The last four pages of this thread all started after one poster said they had been with TG for 7 years and Shannon was involved a lot. For 95% of the club that is not the case. They are the exception not the rule when it comes to this club. Now the snarky comment will be "well your daughter isn't good". Whether or not your daughter is the best girl on black or the worst girl on white. They should get what they paid for. Girls aren't asking to get into a D1 school when they don't belong there. Contacting a D2 or D3 coach is just as simple as contacting a D1 coach. Returning an email doesn't take that long no matter how many emails they have received. Is it too much to ask for common decency? My daughter says hello to every girl she sees at tournaments wearing TG stuff but the director and his daughter have a hard time doing that.

Brilliant post! Spot on!

Brilliant in your world maybe, clearly shows you don't have an understanding of the recruiting process. As it has been stated over and over, club coaches do not send emails, that is the players job. If a club director does not return an email, I would have an issue. College coaches normally call, not email, so I am skepical

So if the 95% have to do all the leg work themselves then what is the purpose of playing travel lacrosse?

To have the opportunity to be seen, and you perform aka stand out, otherwise there is no purpose!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The last four pages of this thread all started after one poster said they had been with TG for 7 years and Shannon was involved a lot. For 95% of the club that is not the case. They are the exception not the rule when it comes to this club. Now the snarky comment will be "well your daughter isn't good". Whether or not your daughter is the best girl on black or the worst girl on white. They should get what they paid for. Girls aren't asking to get into a D1 school when they don't belong there. Contacting a D2 or D3 coach is just as simple as contacting a D1 coach. Returning an email doesn't take that long no matter how many emails they have received. Is it too much to ask for common decency? My daughter says hello to every girl she sees at tournaments wearing TG stuff but the director and his daughter have a hard time doing that.

Brilliant post! Spot on!

Brilliant in your world maybe, clearly shows you don't have an understanding of the recruiting process. As it has been stated over and over, club coaches do not send emails, that is the players job. If a club director does not return an email, I would have an issue. College coaches normally call, not email, so I am skepical

You really are a douchie know it all. Plenty of club and high school coaches reach out on players behaves .If they have a player and believe that player is a descent fit for a program a call from a coach or director can go a long way . Say what you want but if SS or CR call a coach and tell them they have a kid who wants to go to their school and they believe the kid would be a good addition to their team that coach will at a minimum take a look .Been thru the process from both a parent and coaches perspective and will tell you more texts and emails are sent than calls made as your club coach can then just forward to the player .

I've been through it too. The way it works is the coach notices a player they are interested in ( which is why girls play in travel tournaments), they contact the HS or club coach who passes this info onto the players family. Players family takes it from there. It's not up to the club coach to decide whether one of their players would be a good addition, that's the college coaches job

What are the options ? You are kidding right ? There are at least a dozen.

The purpose is to play, to learn, to grow as a player. PAL and the school season are not enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been reading on here for a few years now that "95%" TG members are not happy, yet the clubs retention rate has been pretty consistent with other clubs. With the exception of 2020 Blk (coach leaving), most top teams have stayed relatively the same.

There is no way to tell the retention rate without keeping print outs of rosters. Just because teams still have 25 girls on it, doesn't mean they are all returning players. Numerous girls from black and purple have left in the age groups of 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 in the past. This year 2021 lost 7 girls from there black team.

No need to keep printouts if you kids on multiple teams or daughters of close friends. No different from other clubs purple kids leave if mommy thinks they should be on black.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The purpose is to play, to learn, to grow as a player. PAL and the school season are not enough.

Who are you trying to kid? The purpose is to get a scholarship. My daughter has had this in focus since she was 9. If this is not your goal you don't belong on TG black or any other top club team

Might be the my kids goal, but I know she's going to college either way. Would it be nice? yes but I'm not banking on it. Academics first, Lacrosse second. Either way, scholarship or not , she is going.

sorry let me clarify, it isn't the sole purpose.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been reading on here for a few years now that "95%" TG members are not happy, yet the clubs retention rate has been pretty consistent with other clubs. With the exception of 2020 Blk (coach leaving), most top teams have stayed relatively the same.

There is no way to tell the retention rate without keeping print outs of rosters. Just because teams still have 25 girls on it, doesn't mean they are all returning players. Numerous girls from black and purple have left in the age groups of 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 in the past. This year 2021 lost 7 girls from there black team.

No need to keep printouts if you kids on multiple teams or daughters of close friends. No different from other clubs purple kids leave if mommy thinks they should be on black.

No other club is losing a lot of their top talent year after year except TG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been reading on here for a few years now that "95%" TG members are not happy, yet the clubs retention rate has been pretty consistent with other clubs. With the exception of 2020 Blk (coach leaving), most top teams have stayed relatively the same.

There is no way to tell the retention rate without keeping print outs of rosters. Just because teams still have 25 girls on it, doesn't mean they are all returning players. Numerous girls from black and purple have left in the age groups of 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 in the past. This year 2021 lost 7 girls from there black team.

No need to keep printouts if you kids on multiple teams or daughters of close friends. No different from other clubs purple kids leave if mommy thinks they should be on black.

No other club is losing a lot of their top talent year after year except TG

Your daughter was not top talent and it was not a loss when you left. TG is stronger than other teams from the bottom up, which is why girls are leaving other top team to go there. You are inaccurate, possibly because you may be referencing one age group and not looking at the club as a whole. TG is fine but since you were not happy, why don't you just move on to your new club and stop being so bitter and obsessed with what didn't work for you?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The purpose is to play, to learn, to grow as a player. PAL and the school season are not enough.

Who are you trying to kid? The purpose is to get a scholarship. My daughter has had this in focus since she was 9. If this is not your goal you don't belong on TG black or any other top club team

Perhaps you should reevaluate. Then again to each his own.

Here are some reasons and goals that might be worth considering. Some things that a young girl can learn from playing a team sport such as lacrosse.

- Have fun.
- exercise.
- learn to live a healthy lifestyle.
- learn that sometimes you have to do things that you do not want to do.
- learn to compete.
- learn to be a good teammate.
- learn to overcome adversity.
- learn to sacrifice.
- learn to set goals.
- learn to work hard.
- learn to enjoy the grind/process/practice/training.
- learn to be committed/dedicated.
- learn to be coachable.
- learn to be confident.
- learn that failure is never final.
- learn to succeed.
- learn to be disciplined.
- learn to lead.
- learn to think on the fly and make quick, decisive, good decisions.
the list goes on.... Hopefully they can learn what it is like to be passionate about something.

In the end it is all about education and life lessons. Hopefully this sport will help prepare our daughters for life. If getting an athletic scholarship helps you thats great.

One of the great things about this sport is that it can help girls get into schools that they would otherwise not be able to get into and in many cases they can get some financial help.

One of the biggest benefits for me has been to watch my daughter grow and develop into a healthy, happy, confident, successful, young woman / student athlete.

It is okay to be proud of your daughter. To be bitter, jealous, hateful and or vindictive of others, well... not so much.

Enjoy the ride.

whew...after all that, where did your daughter end up playing college?..or has she yet to commit?..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The purpose is to play, to learn, to grow as a player. PAL and the school season are not enough.

Who are you trying to kid? The purpose is to get a scholarship. My daughter has had this in focus since she was 9. If this is not your goal you don't belong on TG black or any other top club team

Perhaps you should reevaluate. Then again to each his own.

Here are some reasons and goals that might be worth considering. Some things that a young girl can learn from playing a team sport such as lacrosse.

- Have fun.
- exercise.
- learn to live a healthy lifestyle.
- learn that sometimes you have to do things that you do not want to do.
- learn to compete.
- learn to be a good teammate.
- learn to overcome adversity.
- learn to sacrifice.
- learn to set goals.
- learn to work hard.
- learn to enjoy the grind/process/practice/training.
- learn to be committed/dedicated.
- learn to be coachable.
- learn to be confident.
- learn that failure is never final.
- learn to succeed.
- learn to be disciplined.
- learn to lead.
- learn to think on the fly and make quick, decisive, good decisions.
the list goes on.... Hopefully they can learn what it is like to be passionate about something.

In the end it is all about education and life lessons. Hopefully this sport will help prepare our daughters for life. If getting an athletic scholarship helps you thats great.

One of the great things about this sport is that it can help girls get into schools that they would otherwise not be able to get into and in many cases they can get some financial help.

One of the biggest benefits for me has been to watch my daughter grow and develop into a healthy, happy, confident, successful, young woman / student athlete.

It is okay to be proud of your daughter. To be bitter, jealous, hateful and or vindictive of others, well... not so much.

Enjoy the ride.

I see you've been reading how we justify paying $$$ for youth sports. It's all very nicely worded, but we all know why we pay$$, it's for the opportunity to get into a better school with a scholarship. Otherwise school ball would suffice. The poster who is so irrate about club director not sending emails out to promote his daughter should read that. Is that you?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The last four pages of this thread all started after one poster said they had been with TG for 7 years and Shannon was involved a lot. For 95% of the club that is not the case. They are the exception not the rule when it comes to this club. Now the snarky comment will be "well your daughter isn't good". Whether or not your daughter is the best girl on black or the worst girl on white. They should get what they paid for. Girls aren't asking to get into a D1 school when they don't belong there. Contacting a D2 or D3 coach is just as simple as contacting a D1 coach. Returning an email doesn't take that long no matter how many emails they have received. Is it too much to ask for common decency? My daughter says hello to every girl she sees at tournaments wearing TG stuff but the director and his daughter have a hard time doing that.

Brilliant post! Spot on!

Brilliant in your world maybe, clearly shows you don't have an understanding of the recruiting process. As it has been stated over and over, club coaches do not send emails, that is the players job. If a club director does not return an email, I would have an issue. College coaches normally call, not email, so I am skepical

So if the 95% have to do all the leg work themselves then what is the purpose of playing travel lacrosse?

What is the purpose!? OK, here is my $1,400 to play for your organization. My daughter wants to play at either Maryland, Syracuse, Florida or Northwestern and we prefer that she gives her verbal prior to her sophomore year. She is a pure goal scorer an only plays attack. Hey Asshat, if playing lacrosse in college is the goal then the purpose of travel lacrosse as others have stated is to get your daughter in front of college coaches at fall/summer tournaments. It is up to her to get noticed so that the college coaches reach out to the director. If you are interested in a college then you should also attend their fall/summer camps to potentially get noticed. Also, travel lacrosse gets your daughter to play games and attend practice with a better quality of players outside of her PAL.

your daughter has had a scholarship in focus as a goal since she was nine? give me a break. you told her your financial plans when she was nine? you say someone doesn't belong on a travel team unless that's the goal??? who made you the moral compass as to why kids play for whom?

Totally untrue about SS. She has the uncanny ability to meet someone once and remember their name and BS never walks by one of his players without giving at least a nod unless he is preoccupied. So stop the Bull S---!!!! I have several children in topguns at different levels, meaning black and purple. I'm positive most people are happy, theirs always gonna be negative people and you must be one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

whew...after all that, where did your daughter end up playing college?..or has she yet to commit?..

Wouldn't say "whew" took less than a few minutes.

We hope she has a great all around experience. We looked at the value of the education not the cost. We never gave much thought to where others were committing and never worried about what others thought of our decision. Why you are concerned with where my daughter goes to school is beyond me. Know this: If your daughter is an average athlete with average grades she will have some good schools to choose from. If your daughter is a good athlete with good grades she will have better schools to choose from. If she is a great athlete with great grades she will have her choice of any school she wants. If your daughter is a mix of any of the above combinations she will find a great fit. Your opinion, your HS coaches opinion, your club coaches/directors opinion and the other bitter parents opinion will not matter. The only opinion that will matter is that of the college coaches. The recruiting process will tell you where your daughter stands. Offers are the tell tale. What schools? how much? when in the process? etc... It is what it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Totally untrue about SS. She has the uncanny ability to meet someone once and remember their name and BS never walks by one of his players without giving at least a nod unless he is preoccupied. So stop the Bull S---!!!! I have several children in topguns at different levels, meaning black and purple. I'm positive most people are happy, theirs always gonna be negative people and you must be one.

This is hilarious!! Hey Bill maybe you should do stand up next!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Totally untrue about SS. She has the uncanny ability to meet someone once and remember their name and BS never walks by one of his players without giving at least a nod unless he is preoccupied. So stop the Bull S---!!!! I have several children in topguns at different levels, meaning black and purple. I'm positive most people are happy, theirs always gonna be negative people and you must be one.

This is hilarious!! Hey Bill maybe you should do stand up next!

Hilarious is the TG trolll. Hates the club but continues to comment any chance they get! Haha! #Obsessed

It's really a shame that all these yj peeps are so angry nasty and bitter... For successful "winners"...the are really losers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's really a shame that all these yj peeps are so angry nasty and bitter... For successful "winners"...the are really losers

I really doubt it is all YJ. Was at a lax event and heard some non YJ peeps sharing stories about BS living to them. Both had some real vitriol for him too.

TG just isn't what it used to be. They can't keep top talent and SS just doesn't have time to dedicate to the club. They play against each other and BS actually chooses to coach against his own teams. Unfortunately politics and WIFM has a lot to do with placement.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG just isn't what it used to be. They can't keep top talent and SS just doesn't have time to dedicate to the club. They play against each other and BS actually chooses to coach against his own teams. Unfortunately politics and WIFM has a lot to do with placement.

wth you talking about? Have another drink! If you can't let your obsession with TG go, you are bound to have health problems soon! #craycray

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG just isn't what it used to be. They can't keep top talent and SS just doesn't have time to dedicate to the club. They play against each other and BS actually chooses to coach against his own teams. Unfortunately politics and WIFM has a lot to do with placement.

How's it going on the teal team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG just isn't what it used to be. They can't keep top talent and SS just doesn't have time to dedicate to the club. They play against each other and BS actually chooses to coach against his own teams. Unfortunately politics and WIFM has a lot to do with placement.

Forgive me for being clueless but what is WIFM? Not everyone that reads this stuff is in the loop with all this lax lingo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG just isn't what it used to be. They can't keep top talent and SS just doesn't have time to dedicate to the club. They play against each other and BS actually chooses to coach against his own teams. Unfortunately politics and WIFM has a lot to do with placement.

How's it going on the teal team?

Why would you be asking about that disastrous teal team here on a TG thread? I'm guessing there is some teal bashing about to happen any sec from you as you asked and will proceed to answer yourself. Go ahead fill us all in, let us know what we already knew that, that program sucks.

I don't know what WIFM means either, someone please let us know what that means. Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know what WIFM means either, someone please let us know what that means. Thanks

What's In it For Me. WIFM.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know what WIFM means either, someone please let us know what that means. Thanks

What's In it For Me. WIFM.

HAHA I was for certain it meant West Islip Fire Man as he also decides your placement on certain teams.

What happened with Teal? I know that a few girls left . I would like to know

Why isn't 2019 white going to Navy rivalry challenge?

There is no white team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why isn't 2019 white going to Navy rivalry challenge?

No coaches?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened with Teal? I know that a few girls left . I would like to know

Players weren't getting treated fairly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no white team

So 2019 will have two huge teams like 2018 and 2017 did?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened with Teal? I know that a few girls left . I would like to know

Players weren't getting treated fairly.

TG has a Teal team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened with Teal? I know that a few girls left . I would like to know

Players weren't getting treated fairly.

TG has a Teal team?

No. Teal is at the other program where SL went to.

So TG is finally going to show up at some of the A tournaments next summer. No more ducking the better teams. Come on down and take your lumps with everyone else.

Nice To see another LI team come down in two weeks to the belly of the beast for 19s

????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So TG is finally going to show up at some of the A tournaments next summer. No more ducking the better teams. Come on down and take your lumps with everyone else.

What tournaments would you be referring to? The one competitive tourney they played in last summer they played only one "A" team and lost by double digits. Fall tourney's will be the same, you won't see them ever playing YJ Blue, M&D Black, Heroes, etc., BS won't allow them in the deep end of the pool, he knows better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]So TG is finally going to show up at some of the A tournaments next summer. No more ducking the better teams. Come on down and take your lumps with everyone else.

What tournaments would you be referring to? The one competitive tourney they played in last summer they played only one "A" team and lost by double digits. Fall tourney's will be the same, you won't see them ever playing YJ Blue, M&D Black, Heroes, etc., BS won't allow them in the deep end of the pool, he knows better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So TG is finally going to show up at some of the A tournaments next summer. No more ducking the better teams. Come on down and take your lumps with everyone else.

What tournaments would you be referring to? The one competitive tourney they played in last summer they played only one "A" team and lost by double digits. Fall tourney's will be the same, you won't see them ever playing YJ Blue, M&D Black, Heroes, etc., BS won't allow them in the deep end of the pool, he knows better

What age group are you talking about ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]So TG is finally going to show up at some of the A tournaments next summer. No more ducking the better teams. Come on down and take your lumps with everyone else.

What tournaments would you be referring to? The one competitive tourney they played in last summer they played only one "A" team and lost by double digits. Fall tourney's will be the same, you won't see them ever playing YJ Blue, M&D Black, Heroes, etc., BS won't allow them in the deep end of the pool, he knows better

What age group are you talking about ?

2020 are playing Heros this fall

cant wait to see what that score will be. if they play a full game TG's will lose by double digits

Really?? Don't be a [lacrosse]. These are kids not the players on your pa4 you basement dweller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

cant wait to see what that score will be. if they play a full game TG's will lose by double digits

You are a nasty [lacrosse] who needs help! Why would you say something like that unless you are a total jerkoff

Originally Posted by Anonymous

cant wait to see what that score will be. if they play a full game TG's will lose by double digits

You are a nasty [lacrosse] who needs help! Why would you say something like that unless you are a total jerkoff

I thought that was what this entire website is about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

cant wait to see what that score will be. if they play a full game TG's will lose by double digits

You are a nasty [lacrosse] who needs help! Why would you say something like that unless you are a total jerkoff

It's a guy that had his kid leave TG or his daughter was demoted and left and just can't get over it.

[quote=Anonymous]cant wait to see what that score will be. if they play a full game TG's will lose by double digits

I doubt TG will lose by double digits to any team. We'll see next week.

they didnt look that good against the YJ 2021 team.. that was also missing some of their better players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they didnt look that good against the YJ 2021 team.. that was also missing some of their better players.

Who played against YJ 2021? It wasn't TG 2021. When was this fictional game? Spew your nonsense elsewhere, no one is interested here.

yesterday at Hofstra.. TG 2020 Black played YJ 2021 Blue and lost in a 7v7 ... 25 minute game.. get your facts straight before you try and retort

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they didnt look that good against the YJ 2021 team.. that was also missing some of their better players.

Who played against YJ 2021? It wasn't TG 2021. When was this fictional game? Spew your nonsense elsewhere, no one is interested here.

Correct, YJ 2021 did not play TG in 2016

YJ 2021 played TG 2020 yesterday at a tournament at Hofstra, there were a lot of HS teams playing there as well

Go back into your humble bees nest.. Daddys little girl

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yesterday at Hofstra.. TG 2020 Black played YJ 2021 Blue and lost in a 7v7 ... 25 minute game.. get your facts straight before you try and retort

The first post was not very specific about who they played and I am surprised to hear that YJ was a Hofstra tournament. TG attends for obvious reasons.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yesterday at Hofstra.. TG 2020 Black played YJ 2021 Blue and lost in a 7v7 ... 25 minute game.. get your facts straight before you try and retort

The first post was not very specific about who they played and I am surprised to hear that YJ was a Hofstra tournament. TG attends for obvious reasons.

Not sure who was at Hofstra but there was no official tournament for YJ 2021. If there were girls in YJ uniforms it was something organized by a parent.

I believe there were 2 dad's coaching them not the 2 head coaches but they were there ( not the full 2021 team, the had about 12 girls )

Sadly the 2020 TG team is a disaster from a competitive point of view, just not good. They are however a team and parents that seem to enjoy playing together and not a lot of drama so it is a trade off.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sadly the 2020 TG team is a disaster from a competitive point of view, just not good. They are however a team and parents that seem to enjoy playing together and not a lot of drama so it is a trade off.

Not a lot of 2020 black drama? Maybe not anymore, but they went from the best team in the nation for a few years to losing all the talent and becoming non competive presently. And there was more drama with this team and this age group than any other age group ever. You must be new.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sadly the 2020 TG team is a disaster from a competitive point of view, just not good. They are however a team and parents that seem to enjoy playing together and not a lot of drama so it is a trade off.

Not a lot of 2020 black drama? Maybe not anymore, but they went from the best team in the nation for a few years to losing all the talent and becoming non competive presently. And there was more drama with this team and this age group than any other age group ever. You must be new.

Is there something wrong with you. Talking about the current TG 2020 team, not the age group. Best team in the age group, not sure that was ever true, they had a good run for one summer season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yesterday at Hofstra.. TG 2020 Black played YJ 2021 Blue and lost in a 7v7 ... 25 minute game.. get your facts straight before you try and retort

Even considering this as a real game is a joke. No fan of TG but you've got to be kidding? Those 7 on 7 tournaments can't be considered real lacrosse. It's pick up lacrosse at its worst. Refs don't move off of midfield. A draw after every third goal. No arc so they don't call shooting space. The day is just a complete money grab for Hofstra women's lacrosse. I highly doubt that YJ would put an entire team in this event, even if it was coached by 2 parents.

We are new to the program. Is it worth doing the winter indoor practices for an hour every Sunday?

20 Black did not play on Sunday. The team may have been called that but by no means was that the black team.

We are new to the program. Is it worth doing the winter indoor practices for an hour every Sunday

I would, they were very well run last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

20 Black did not play on Sunday. The team may have been called that but by no means was that the black team.

Most of the black girls that I know of were all at clinics of some sort. Thrown together team to get stick in hand

Originally Posted by Anonymous

20 Black did not play on Sunday. The team may have been called that but by no means was that the black team.

Most of the black girls that I know of were all at clinics of some sort. Thrown together team to get stick in hand

Sounds like what your saying is the black players that were their suck and all the good ones were elsewhere- that's a great teammate, wouldn't want to be in a foxhole with you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

20 Black did not play on Sunday. The team may have been called that but by no means was that the black team.

Most of the black girls that I know of were all at clinics of some sort. Thrown together team to get stick in hand

Sounds like what your saying is the black players that were their suck and all the good ones were elsewhere- that's a great teammate, wouldn't want to be in a foxhole with you

You may want to clean your ears because that's not what I said. Other poster said team was by no means the black team. I said most girls were at clinics. Therefore concurring that the black team was not there

Originally Posted by Anonymous

20 Black did not play on Sunday. The team may have been called that but by no means was that the black team.

Most of the black girls that I know of were all at clinics of some sort. Thrown together team to get stick in hand

Sounds like what your saying is the black players that were their suck and all the good ones were elsewhere- that's a great teammate, wouldn't want to be in a foxhole with you

You may want to clean your ears because that's not what I said. Other poster said team was by no means the black team. I said most girls were at clinics. Therefore concurring that the black team was not there

Keep the excuses coming , your team is just not good

Originally Posted by Anonymous

20 Black did not play on Sunday. The team may have been called that but by no means was that the black team.

Most of the black girls that I know of were all at clinics of some sort. Thrown together team to get stick in hand

Sounds like what your saying is the black players that were their suck and all the good ones were elsewhere- that's a great teammate, wouldn't want to be in a foxhole with you

You may want to clean your ears because that's not what I said. Other poster said team was by no means the black team. I said most girls were at clinics. Therefore concurring that the black team was not there

Keep the excuses coming , your team is just not good

Ok West Hampton

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]20 Black did not play on Sunday. The team may have been called that but by no means was that the black team.

Most of the black girls that I know of were all at clinics of some sort. Thrown together team to get stick in hand

Sounds like what your saying is the black players that were their suck and all the good ones were elsewhere- that's a great teammate, wouldn't want to be in a foxhole with you

You may want to clean your ears because that's not what I said. Other poster said team was by no means the black team. I said most girls were at clinics. Therefore concurring that the black team was not there

Keep the excuses coming , your team is just not good

After this weekend I'm sure you'll be singing a different tune.

Complete money grab and waste of time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

20 Black did not play on Sunday. The team may have been called that but by no means was that the black team.

Most of the black girls that I know of were all at clinics of some sort. Thrown together team to get stick in hand

Sounds like what your saying is the black players that were their suck and all the good ones were elsewhere- that's a great teammate, wouldn't want to be in a foxhole with you

You may want to clean your ears because that's not what I said. Other poster said team was by no means the black team. I said most girls were at clinics. Therefore concurring that the black team was not there

Keep the excuses coming , your team is just not good

Ok West Hampton

Carnac says "where your wife goes when she wants a real man"

there were enough of them there.. the YJ 2021 Blue were missing a bunch as well, and TG 2020 Black lost handily

Originally Posted by Anonymous

there were enough of them there.. the YJ 2021 Blue were missing a bunch as well, and TG 2020 Black lost handily

Rhetorical question but are you people delusional? Playing 7 on 7 on a field not even half the size of a real field. Refs just there for the money. Field isn't lined so no off sides and no penalties called. And you think this garbage lacrosse is worthy of claiming wins over anyone? Doesn't matter who won or lost. Everyone was there to donate money to the hofstra women's lacrosse team. The only team that won on Sunday was Team Smith. Rest of you should be embarrassed for even trying to give that crap legitimacy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

there were enough of them there.. the YJ 2021 Blue were missing a bunch as well, and TG 2020 Black lost handily

Rhetorical question but are you people delusional? Playing 7 on 7 on a field not even half the size of a real field. Refs just there for the money. Field isn't lined so no off sides and no penalties called. And you think this garbage lacrosse is worthy of claiming wins over anyone? Doesn't matter who won or lost. Everyone was there to donate money to the hofstra women's lacrosse team. The only team that won on Sunday was Team Smith. Rest of you should be embarrassed for even trying to give that crap legitimacy.

7v7 Means very little in the lax word. Unless it is 12v12 doesn't count.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

there were enough of them there.. the YJ 2021 Blue were missing a bunch as well, and TG 2020 Black lost handily

Rhetorical question but are you people delusional? Playing 7 on 7 on a field not even half the size of a real field. Refs just there for the money. Field isn't lined so no off sides and no penalties called. And you think this garbage lacrosse is worthy of claiming wins over anyone? Doesn't matter who won or lost. Everyone was there to donate money to the hofstra women's lacrosse team. The only team that won on Sunday was Team Smith. Rest of you should be embarrassed for even trying to give that crap legitimacy.

Keep the excuses coming , your 2020 team is just not very good , live w it .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]there were enough of them there.. the YJ 2021 Blue were missing a bunch as well, and TG 2020 Black lost handily

Rhetorical question but are you people delusional? Playing 7 on 7 on a field not even half the size of a real field. Refs just there for the money. Field isn't lined so no off sides and no penalties called. And you think this garbage lacrosse is worthy of claiming wins over anyone? Doesn't matter who won or lost. Everyone was there to donate money to the hofstra women's lacrosse team. The only team that won on Sunday was Team Smith. Rest of you should be embarrassed for even trying to give that crap legitimacy.

Keep the excuses coming , your 2020 team is just not very good , live w it .

We are going to a top tournament this weekend we'll let our play do the talking for us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

there were enough of them there.. the YJ 2021 Blue were missing a bunch as well, and TG 2020 Black lost handily

Rhetorical question but are you people delusional? Playing 7 on 7 on a field not even half the size of a real field. Refs just there for the money. Field isn't lined so no off sides and no penalties called. And you think this garbage lacrosse is worthy of claiming wins over anyone? Doesn't matter who won or lost. Everyone was there to donate money to the hofstra women's lacrosse team. The only team that won on Sunday was Team Smith. Rest of you should be embarrassed for even trying to give that crap legitimacy.

Keep the excuses coming , your 2020 team is just not very good , live w it .

Not making excuses. The 2020 team is not an elite team any more. I'm making the point that those games mean nothing. Can't compare 7 on 7 to a real game. If they play this fall or next summer, the better team will win and most likely it will be the YJ team. I find it funny that people run on here to make a big deal about that crappy Sunday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

there were enough of them there.. the YJ 2021 Blue were missing a bunch as well, and TG 2020 Black lost handily

Rhetorical question but are you people delusional? Playing 7 on 7 on a field not even half the size of a real field. Refs just there for the money. Field isn't lined so no off sides and no penalties called. And you think this garbage lacrosse is worthy of claiming wins over anyone? Doesn't matter who won or lost. Everyone was there to donate money to the hofstra women's lacrosse team. The only team that won on Sunday was Team Smith. Rest of you should be embarrassed for even trying to give that crap legitimacy.

Keep the excuses coming , your 2020 team is just not very good , live w it .

Not making excuses. The 2020 team is not an elite team any more. I'm making the point that those games mean nothing. Can't compare 7 on 7 to a real game. If they play this fall or next summer, the better team will win and most likely it will be the YJ team. I find it funny that people run on here to make a big deal about that crappy Sunday.

I do not think anybody takes too much from a 7 on 7 , I think they just post it to be annoying .There is a sort of order to how much weight a game should be given with a 7 on 7 fall game being about the lowest .That said I am sure both teams wanted to win that game pretty badly ,who coached the TG girls.

bold statement, let see what happens when you play some real teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

there were enough of them there.. the YJ 2021 Blue were missing a bunch as well, and TG 2020 Black lost handily

Rhetorical question but are you people delusional? Playing 7 on 7 on a field not even half the size of a real field. Refs just there for the money. Field isn't lined so no off sides and no penalties called. And you think this garbage lacrosse is worthy of claiming wins over anyone? Doesn't matter who won or lost. Everyone was there to donate money to the hofstra women's lacrosse team. The only team that won on Sunday was Team Smith. Rest of you should be embarrassed for even trying to give that crap legitimacy.

Keep the excuses coming , your 2020 team is just not very good , live w it .

Not making excuses. The 2020 team is not an elite team any more. I'm making the point that those games mean nothing. Can't compare 7 on 7 to a real game. If they play this fall or next summer, the better team will win and most likely it will be the YJ team. I find it funny that people run on here to make a big deal about that crappy Sunday.

I do not think anybody takes too much from a 7 on 7 , I think they just post it to be annoying .There is a sort of order to how much weight a game should be given with a 7 on 7 fall game being about the lowest .That said I am sure both teams wanted to win that game pretty badly ,who coached the TG girls.

Yeah won't put much weight on a 7v7 game but it is shocking that a team a year younger beat a black team no matter how you spin it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

there were enough of them there.. the YJ 2021 Blue were missing a bunch as well, and TG 2020 Black lost handily

Rhetorical question but are you people delusional? Playing 7 on 7 on a field not even half the size of a real field. Refs just there for the money. Field isn't lined so no off sides and no penalties called. And you think this garbage lacrosse is worthy of claiming wins over anyone? Doesn't matter who won or lost. Everyone was there to donate money to the hofstra women's lacrosse team. The only team that won on Sunday was Team Smith. Rest of you should be embarrassed for even trying to give that crap legitimacy.

Keep the excuses coming , your 2020 team is just not very good , live w it .

Not making excuses. The 2020 team is not an elite team any more. I'm making the point that those games mean nothing. Can't compare 7 on 7 to a real game. If they play this fall or next summer, the better team will win and most likely it will be the YJ team. I find it funny that people run on here to make a big deal about that crappy Sunday.

I do not think anybody takes too much from a 7 on 7 , I think they just post it to be annoying .There is a sort of order to how much weight a game should be given with a 7 on 7 fall game being about the lowest .That said I am sure both teams wanted to win that game pretty badly ,who coached the TG girls.

Yeah won't put much weight on a 7v7 game but it is shocking that a team a year younger beat a black team no matter how you spin it.

I saw a mix of 2018 purple and white beat a 2017 black team two years ago at one of those things. Doesn't mean anything. They would never beat them in a regulation game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

there were enough of them there.. the YJ 2021 Blue were missing a bunch as well, and TG 2020 Black lost handily

Rhetorical question but are you people delusional? Playing 7 on 7 on a field not even half the size of a real field. Refs just there for the money. Field isn't lined so no off sides and no penalties called. And you think this garbage lacrosse is worthy of claiming wins over anyone? Doesn't matter who won or lost. Everyone was there to donate money to the hofstra women's lacrosse team. The only team that won on Sunday was Team Smith. Rest of you should be embarrassed for even trying to give that crap legitimacy.

Keep the excuses coming , your 2020 team is just not very good , live w it .

Not making excuses. The 2020 team is not an elite team any more. I'm making the point that those games mean nothing. Can't compare 7 on 7 to a real game. If they play this fall or next summer, the better team will win and most likely it will be the YJ team. I find it funny that people run on here to make a big deal about that crappy Sunday.

I do not think anybody takes too much from a 7 on 7 , I think they just post it to be annoying .There is a sort of order to how much weight a game should be given with a 7 on 7 fall game being about the lowest .That said I am sure both teams wanted to win that game pretty badly ,who coached the TG girls.

Yeah won't put much weight on a 7v7 game but it is shocking that a team a year younger beat a black team no matter how you spin it.

That was no ordinary 2021 team, the 2020 girlsnever had a chance and looked shell shocked after the game

I saw a mix of 2018 purple and white beat a 2017 black team two years ago at one of those things. Doesn't mean anything. They would never beat them in a regulation game [/quote]

That actually makes sense. 2018 was probably the strongest age group TG ever had. 2017 is the weakest age group TG ever had.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw a mix of 2018 purple and white beat a 2017 black team two years ago at one of those things. Doesn't mean anything. They would never beat them in a regulation game

That actually makes sense. 2018 was probably the strongest age group TG ever had. 2017 is the weakest age group TG ever had. [/quote]

2017 also went through more coaches than Bill changed his underwear. Lots of girls left and were stopped up immediately, some still left holding the rope

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]there were enough of them there.. the YJ 2021 Blue were missing a bunch as well, and TG 2020 Black lost handily

Rhetorical question but are you people delusional? Playing 7 on 7 on a field not even half the size of a real field. Refs just there for the money. Field isn't lined so no off sides and no penalties called. And you think this garbage lacrosse is worthy of claiming wins over anyone? Doesn't matter who won or lost. Everyone was there to donate money to the hofstra women's lacrosse team. The only team that won on Sunday was Team Smith. Rest of you should be embarrassed for even trying to give that crap legitimacy.

Keep the excuses coming , your 2020 team is just not very good , live w it .

Not making excuses. The 2020 team is not an elite team any more. I'm making the point that those games mean nothing. Can't compare 7 on 7 to a real game. If they play this fall or next summer, the better team will win and most likely it will be the YJ team. I find it funny that people run on here to make a big deal about that crappy Sunday.

I do not think anybody takes too much from a 7 on 7 , I think they just post it to be annoying .There is a sort of order to how much weight a game should be given with a 7 on 7 fall game being about the lowest .That said I am sure both teams wanted to win that game pretty badly ,who coached the TG girls.

Yeah won't put much weight on a 7v7 game but it is shocking that a team a year younger beat a black team no matter how you spin it.

That was no ordinary 2021 team, the 2020 girlsnever had a chance and looked shell shocked after the game

It is truly amazing when talent beats reputation.

So how did the first day of the big Maryland weekend go?

[quote=Anonymous]So how did the first day of the big Maryland weekend go?

2020 tied Heros lost the other 2 games

2020 beat heros 10-9 and lost to skywalkers and capital by one goal in each game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the first day of the big Maryland weekend go?

What's he matter, you have nothing nasty to say? You must be so mad that you were sarcastically hoping YOUNG girls would do poorly. TOOL!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the first day of the big Maryland weekend go?

What's he matter, you have nothing nasty to say? You must be so mad that you were sarcastically hoping YOUNG girls would do poorly. TOOL!!

I have to agree with you about this person being a tool. This is the LI Top Guns Forum, we really need to just ignore these pot stirrers. No negativity here please.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the first day of the big Maryland weekend go?

What's he matter, you have nothing nasty to say? You must be so mad that you were sarcastically hoping YOUNG girls would do poorly. TOOL!!

I have to agree with you about this person being a tool. This is the LI Top Guns Forum, we really need to just ignore these pot stirrers. No negativity here please.

If tying 1 game and losing 2 is called doing great, there is something definitely wrong here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the first day of the big Maryland weekend go?

What's he matter, you have nothing nasty to say? You must be so mad that you were sarcastically hoping YOUNG girls would do poorly. TOOL!!

I have to agree with you about this person being a tool. This is the LI Top Guns Forum, we really need to just ignore these pot stirrers. No negativity here please.

If tying 1 game and losing 2 is called doing great, there is something definitely wrong here.

Sooo..playing competitive one goal games against top teams is a problem for you? This was a great showing for the girls. Games like this can go either way and you know it. Go troll somewhere else, bitter [lacrosse]. You need to let it go, we are all sorry things didn't work out for your daughter, but definitely see why

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the first day of the big Maryland weekend go?

What's he matter, you have nothing nasty to say? You must be so mad that you were sarcastically hoping YOUNG girls would do poorly. TOOL!!

I have to agree with you about this person being a tool. This is the LI Top Guns Forum, we really need to just ignore these pot stirrers. No negativity here please.

If tying 1 game and losing 2 is called doing great, there is something definitely wrong

here.

Sooo..playing competitive one goal games against top teams is a problem for you? This was a great showing for the girls. Games like this can go either way and you know it. Go troll somewhere else, bitter [lacrosse]. You need to let it go, we are all sorry things didn't work out for your daughter, but definitely see why

Oh how the mighty have fallen.. the prior posters were correct. 20 Black can no longer compete and are now doing just as good as Hofstra. Good Job SS.. 1 tie and 3 losses on what was supposed to be the big comeback weekend for this team. Time to pack it in parents, definitely competitive with Beach Bums.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the first day of the big Maryland weekend go?

What's he matter, you have nothing nasty to say? You must be so mad that you were sarcastically hoping YOUNG girls would do poorly. TOOL!!

I have to agree with you about this person being a tool. This is the LI Top Guns Forum, we really need to just ignore these pot stirrers. No negativity here please.

If tying 1 game and losing 2 is called doing great, there is something definitely wrong

here.

Sooo..playing competitive one goal games against top teams is a problem for you? This was a great showing for the girls. Games like this can go either way and you know it. Go troll somewhere else, bitter [lacrosse]. You need to let it go, we are all sorry things didn't work out for your daughter, but definitely see why

Oh how the mighty have fallen.. the prior posters were correct. 20 Black can no longer compete and are now doing just as good as Hofstra. Good Job SS.. 1 tie and 3 losses on what was supposed to be the big comeback weekend for this team. Time to pack it in parents, definitely competitive with Beach Bums.

How did your elevate team do?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the first day of the big Maryland weekend go?

What's he matter, you have nothing nasty to say? You must be so mad that you were sarcastically hoping YOUNG girls would do poorly. TOOL!!

I have to agree with you about this person being a tool. This is the LI Top Guns Forum, we really need to just ignore these pot stirrers. No negativity here please.

If tying 1 game and losing 2 is called doing great, there is something definitely wrong

here.

Sooo..playing competitive one goal games against top teams is a problem for you? This was a great showing for the girls. Games like this can go either way and you know it. Go troll somewhere else, bitter [lacrosse]. You need to let it go, we are all sorry things didn't work out for your daughter, but definitely see why

Oh how the mighty have fallen.. the prior posters were correct. 20 Black can no longer compete and are now doing just as good as Hofstra. Good Job SS.. 1 tie and 3 losses on what was supposed to be the big comeback weekend for this team. Time to pack it in parents, definitely competitive with Beach Bums.

You are a bitter troll. TG doing just fine, sorry your daughter isn't. Wonder why? Thanks you SS for getting our girls to the competitive level they are. what will it take to make you go away, nasty woman

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the first day of the big Maryland weekend go?

What's he matter, you have nothing nasty to say? You must be so mad that you were sarcastically hoping YOUNG girls would do poorly. TOOL!!

I have to agree with you about this person being a tool. This is the LI Top Guns Forum, we really need to just ignore these pot stirrers. No negativity here please.

It was an innocuous question. Wasn't meant to be negative but you automatically assume I'm here to stir the pot. It is a big weekend with all recruiting age teams playing in Maryland. Why so angry?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the first day of the big Maryland weekend go?

What's he matter, you have nothing nasty to say? You must be so mad that you were sarcastically hoping YOUNG girls would do poorly. TOOL!!

I have to agree with you about this person being a tool. This is the LI Top Guns Forum, we really need to just ignore these pot stirrers. No negativity here please.

It was an innocuous question. Wasn't meant to be negative but you automatically assume I'm here to stir the pot. It is a big weekend with all recruiting age teams playing in Maryland. Why so angry?

The way you asked the question suggests you are the same bitter troll that is obsessed with TG, would put my money on it! If you were on the team, you would know how they did at the "big weekend", otherwise you should worry about your own team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the first day of the big Maryland weekend go?

What's he matter, you have nothing nasty to say? You must be so mad that you were sarcastically hoping YOUNG girls would do poorly. TOOL!!

I have to agree with you about this person being a tool. This is the LI Top Guns Forum, we really need to just ignore these pot stirrers. No negativity here please.

It was an innocuous question. Wasn't meant to be negative but you automatically assume I'm here to stir the pot. It is a big weekend with all recruiting age teams playing in Maryland. Why so angry?

Do you have a child who plays for Top Guns? If not, what is your interest on being on this particular forum? You can find out anything you want to know elsewhere. Or maybe we should be flattered by your attention. I'm not angry at all. Just perplexed by people who come to this forum and ask innocuous questions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have to agree with you about this person being a tool. This is the LI Top Guns Forum, we really need to just ignore these pot stirrers. No negativity here please.

If tying 1 game and losing 2 is called doing great, there is something definitely wrong

here.

Sooo..playing competitive one goal games against top teams is a problem for you? This was a great showing for the girls. Games like this can go either way and you know it. Go troll somewhere else, bitter [lacrosse]. You need to let it go, we are all sorry things didn't work out for your daughter, but definitely see why

Oh how the mighty have fallen.. the prior posters were correct. 20 Black can no longer compete and are now doing just as good as Hofstra. Good Job SS.. 1 tie and 3 losses on what was supposed to be the big comeback weekend for this team. Time to pack it in parents, definitely competitive with Beach Bums.

You are a bitter troll. TG doing just fine, sorry your daughter isn't. Wonder why? Thanks you SS for getting our girls to the competitive level they are. what will it take to make you go away, nasty woman[/quote]

You came to MD and lost to MC Elite.....Go Away

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the first day of the big Maryland weekend go?

What's he matter, you have nothing nasty to say? You must be so mad that you were sarcastically hoping YOUNG girls would do poorly. TOOL!!

I have to agree with you about this person being a tool. This is the LI Top Guns Forum, we really need to just ignore these pot stirrers. No negativity here please.

It was an innocuous question. Wasn't meant to be negative but you automatically assume I'm here to stir the pot. It is a big weekend with all recruiting age teams playing in Maryland. Why so angry?

Do you have a child who plays for Top Guns? If not, what is your interest on being on this particular forum? You can find out anything you want to know elsewhere. Or maybe we should be flattered by your attention. I'm not angry at all. Just perplexed by people who come to this forum and ask innocuous questions.

At least Elevate won 1 game, I guess they are now better than 20 Blk. Hilarious

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the first day of the big Maryland weekend go?

What's he matter, you have nothing nasty to say? You must be so mad that you were sarcastically hoping YOUNG girls would do poorly. TOOL!!

I have to agree with you about this person being a tool. This is the LI Top Guns Forum, we really need to just ignore these pot stirrers. No negativity here please.

It was an innocuous question. Wasn't meant to be negative but you automatically assume I'm here to stir the pot. It is a big weekend with all recruiting age teams playing in Maryland. Why so angry?

Do you have a child who plays for Top Guns? If not, what is your interest on being on this particular forum? You can find out anything you want to know elsewhere. Or maybe we should be flattered by your attention. I'm not angry at all. Just perplexed by people who come to this forum and ask innocuous questions.

Yes my daughter plays for TG. She was unable to go this weekend but will be there in NJ next weekend.

Yes my daughter plays for TG. She was unable to go this weekend but will be there in NJ next weekend.

All the girls snap chat, instagram, text and tweet their every move, surely your daughter can find out how her teammates did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes my daughter plays for TG. She was unable to go this weekend but will be there in NJ next weekend.

All the girls snap chat, instagram, text and tweet their every move, surely your daughter can find out how her teammates did.

True, great point calling out the troll

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the first day of the big Maryland weekend go?

It went great thanks for asking! Many of the coaches my kid emailed were on the sidelines. She played well. The weather was great & the games were competitive. How was your weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the first day of the big Maryland weekend go?

It went great thanks for asking! Many of the coaches my kid emailed were on the sidelines. She played well. The weather was great & the games were competitive. How was your weekend?

My weekend was excellent as well. We must have emailed the same coaches because they showed up to all our games also. My kid played well and yes the weather was awesome. The icing on the cake was the team won all their games and the only negative was the competition was not very good . Thanks for asking it is always nice playing you guys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the first day of the big Maryland weekend go?

What's he matter, you have nothing nasty to say? You must be so mad that you were sarcastically hoping YOUNG girls would do poorly. TOOL!!

I have to agree with you about this person being a tool. This is the LI Top Guns Forum, we really need to just ignore these pot stirrers. No negativity here please.

It was an innocuous question. Wasn't meant to be negative but you automatically assume I'm here to stir the pot. It is a big weekend with all recruiting age teams playing in Maryland. Why so angry?

Do you have a child who plays for Top Guns? If not, what is your interest on being on this particular forum? You can find out anything you want to know elsewhere. Or maybe we should be flattered by your attention. I'm not angry at all. Just perplexed by people who come to this forum and ask innocuous questions.

Yes my daughter plays for TG. She was unable to go this weekend but will be there in NJ next weekend.

going to have to call you out on that. i'm pretty sure every girl on the 2020 roster was there this weekend except for the girl recovering from surgery. So unless i am mistaken we won't be seeing you next week in NJ either. Just move on,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the first day of the big Maryland weekend go?

It went great thanks for asking! Many of the coaches my kid emailed were on the sidelines. She played well. The weather was great & the games were competitive. How was your weekend?

My weekend was excellent as well. We must have emailed the same coaches because they showed up to all our games also. My kid played well and yes the weather was awesome. The icing on the cake was the team won all their games and the only negative was the competition was not very good . Thanks for asking it is always nice playing you guys.

Once again, why are you on the Top Gun forum?

On a more positive note...Saw this on a different thread and thought I would share it.

"This weekend was a recruiting showcase. You should asking these questions:

1. Were coaches of schools my daughter is interested there?
2. Did my daughter get enough playing time?
3. When my daughter played, was she a standout, a game changer?

If the answer to those questions is yes, things will all fall into place. If not, keep worrying about the scores, see how far that gets you."

You don't read what's on the other forums? I find that hard to believe.

[quote=Anonymous]You don't read what's on the other forums? I find that hard to believe. [/quote

Read, yes. Comment, no.

The person who comments, especially something negative or inflammatory is a troll. Read away, unless you have something useful say, keep it to yourself. These are kid's club teams for goodness sake.

I agree with the ogre.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You don't read what's on the other forums? I find that hard to believe. [/quote

Read, yes. Comment, no.

The person who comments, especially something negative or inflammatory is a troll. Read away, unless you have something useful say, keep it to yourself. These are kid's club teams for goodness sake.

So you do go on other clubs forums and you would think someone posting how did it go this past weekend is inflammatory. I honestly do not see it that way maybe they just want to know how it went ie how they played, a lot of coaches etc.Then when someone gives a snarky reply to an honest question they get back what they gave.Stop being so sensitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You don't read what's on the other forums? I find that hard to believe. [/quote

Read, yes. Comment, no.

The person who comments, especially something negative or inflammatory is a troll. Read away, unless you have something useful say, keep it to yourself. These are kid's club teams for goodness sake.

if you're going to come on here pounding your chest and telling the world how great you and your team are you have to expect somebody to call BS on you, don't you?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You don't read what's on the other forums? I find that hard to believe. [/quote

Read, yes. Comment, no.

The person who comments, especially something negative or inflammatory is a troll. Read away, unless you have something useful say, keep it to yourself. These are kid's club teams for goodness sake.

So you do go on other clubs forums and you would think someone posting how did it go this past weekend is inflammatory. I honestly do not see it that way maybe they just want to know how it went ie how they played, a lot of coaches etc.Then when someone gives a snarky reply to an honest question they get back what they gave.Stop being so sensitive.

How many of you are there???

The person who took claim to the supposedly "inflammatory question" also said "Yes my daughter plays for TG. She was unable to go this weekend but will be there in NJ next weekend."

You can't be the person who asked the initial question and be the person who asked "You don't read what's on the other forums? I find that hard to believe."

Not sensitive at all. Just a little annoyed that I wasted my time trying to reason with crazy. Sad that this is what you do for fun. Buh-bye.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You don't read what's on the other forums? I find that hard to believe. [/quote

Read, yes. Comment, no.

The person who comments, especially something negative or inflammatory is a troll. Read away, unless you have something useful say, keep it to yourself. These are kid's club teams for goodness sake.

So you do go on other clubs forums and you would think someone posting how did it go this past weekend is inflammatory. I honestly do not see it that way maybe they just want to know how it went ie how they played, a lot of coaches etc.Then when someone gives a snarky reply to an honest question they get back what they gave.Stop being so sensitive.

How many of you are there???

The person who took claim to the supposedly "inflammatory question" also said "Yes my daughter plays for TG. She was unable to go this weekend but will be there in NJ next weekend."

You can't be the person who asked the initial question and be the person who asked "You don't read what's on the other forums? I find that hard to believe."

Not sensitive at all. Just a little annoyed that I wasted my time trying to reason with crazy. Sad that this is what you do for fun. Buh-bye.

I asked the first question. If it was inflammatory then thats purely coincidental. My daughter will be there this weekend. She is not a 2020 girl. She is in her second year and doesnt know all the girls on her team. The ones she she does know didn't go last weekend. I do read other forums. So that wasn't me with that comment. My daughter isn't that wild about social media, which is a good thing. Last weekend was a big weekend. 2018-2020 black were all at one tournament and 2018-2020 purple were at Navy. I had hoped to get some updates as to how the teams did against some pretty good competition.

$150 to play 5 minutes in each half today. What a waste of money. I think next year we'll skip. Good luck in Florida with that many girls

Originally Posted by Anonymous

$150 to play 5 minutes in each half today. What a waste of money. I think next year we'll skip. Good luck in Florida with that many girls

Nothing will change, the decline in talent is a direct result of terrible management and coaching. The girls mean nothing, it's a money grab. Seek out a smaller club like ninety one or Long Island wave, much more attention given to the girls

Originally Posted by Anonymous

$150 to play 5 minutes in each half today. What a waste of money. I think next year we'll skip. Good luck in Florida with that many girls

Nothing will change, the decline in talent is a direct result of terrible management and coaching. The girls mean nothing, it's a money grab. Seek out a smaller club like ninety one or Long Island wave, much more attention given to the girls

91 is not the one for girls.

Agree with both the last 2 posts
I think the decline will continue the girls are treated Like numbers nothing more and nothing less
Cuts are not made if a parent is willing to cut a check they will find a place for them A B C in some cases D team

Black teams did OK this weekend. Purple teams played very poorly. There are no more stand out A teams in this program in the recruiting years. 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2021 are not top 3 teams any more.

where are the rosters posted ? 2018? 2019?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Black teams did OK this weekend. Purple teams played very poorly. There are no more stand out A teams in this program in the recruiting years. 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2021 are not top 3 teams any more.

2019 black went 3-0. How much better can they do lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Black teams did OK this weekend. Purple teams played very poorly. There are no more stand out A teams in this program in the recruiting years. 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2021 are not top 3 teams any more.

2019 black went 3-0. How much better can they do lol

Both 2019 and 2020 went 3-0. They did well. 2018 "black" went 1-2. 2021 black went 2-1. That is why I said they did Ok. Not the greatest of competition to use as a measuring stick for '19 and '20 but they won none the less.

anyone move up from purple to black on TG?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Black teams did OK this weekend. Purple teams played very poorly. There are no more stand out A teams in this program in the recruiting years. 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2021 are not top 3 teams any more.

2019 black went 3-0. How much better can they do lol

Both 2019 and 2020 went 3-0. They did well. 2018 "black" went 1-2. 2021 black went 2-1. That is why I said they did Ok. Not the greatest of competition to use as a measuring stick for '19 and '20 but they won none the less.

2 words; Fall Ball. Not everyone is present at these tournaments due to commitments with school teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Black teams did OK this weekend. Purple teams played very poorly. There are no more stand out A teams in this program in the recruiting years. 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2021 are not top 3 teams any more.

2019 black went 3-0. How much better can they do lol

Both 2019 and 2020 went 3-0. They did well. 2018 "black" went 1-2. 2021 black went 2-1. That is why I said they did Ok. Not the greatest of competition to use as a measuring stick for '19 and '20 but they won none the less.

2 words; Fall Ball. Not everyone is present at these tournaments due to commitments with school teams.

You can stop counting 2018. The 2018 age group is basically over and they play one more summer. At these fall tournaments they are 95% girls who are not committed and still looking to play on the college level. Hopefully some of these girls get noticed and find the right fit for the future

[quote=Anonymous]anyone move up from purple to black on TG?

Yes rosters will be posted soon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Black teams did OK this weekend. Purple teams played very poorly. There are no more stand out A teams in this program in the recruiting years. 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2021 are not top 3 teams any more.

2019 black went 3-0. How much better can they do lol

Both 2019 and 2020 went 3-0. They did well. 2018 "black" went 1-2. 2021 black went 2-1. That is why I said they did Ok. Not the greatest of competition to use as a measuring stick for '19 and '20 but they won none the less.

So that should apply to the teams they are facing as well, right?

2 words; Fall Ball. Not everyone is present at these tournaments due to commitments with school teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Black teams did OK this weekend. Purple teams played very poorly. There are no more stand out A teams in this program in the recruiting years. 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2021 are not top 3 teams any more.

2019 black went 3-0. How much better can they do lol

Both 2019 and 2020 went 3-0. They did well. 2018 "black" went 1-2. 2021 black went 2-1. That is why I said they did Ok. Not the greatest of competition to use as a measuring stick for '19 and '20 but they won none the less.

So that should apply to the teams they are facing as well, right?

2 words; Fall Ball. Not everyone is present at these tournaments due to commitments with school teams.

So your backups are better than ours, give it a break. Its about recruiting now

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Black teams did OK this weekend. Purple teams played very poorly. There are no more stand out A teams in this program in the recruiting years. 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2021 are not top 3 teams any more.

2019 black went 3-0. How much better can they do lol

Both 2019 and 2020 went 3-0. They did well. 2018 "black" went 1-2. 2021 black went 2-1. That is why I said they did Ok. Not the greatest of competition to use as a measuring stick for '19 and '20 but they won none the less.

So that should apply to the teams they are facing as well, right?

2 words; Fall Ball. Not everyone is present at these tournaments due to commitments with school teams.

So your backups are better than ours, give it a break. Its about recruiting now

its about making money now and it was about making money before
and it will always be about making money. The only reason clubs care at all about winning is in order to be able to get their hooks in the next wave of lemmings and keep the money machine fed. Have you seen some of the teams that are out there be sold as "premier", "elite" etc. it's an embarrassing product to have out there, but clearly they don't care and will happily take your money, not exactly sure what some parents are thinking...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Black teams did OK this weekend. Purple teams played very poorly. There are no more stand out A teams in this program in the recruiting years. 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2021 are not top 3 teams any more.

2019 black went 3-0. How much better can they do lol

Both 2019 and 2020 went 3-0. They did well. 2018 "black" went 1-2. 2021 black went 2-1. That is why I said they did Ok. Not the greatest of competition to use as a measuring stick for '19 and '20 but they won none the less.

So that should apply to the teams they are facing as well, right?

2 words; Fall Ball. Not everyone is present at these tournaments due to commitments with school teams.

So your backups are better than ours, give it a break. Its about recruiting now

its about making money now and it was about making money before
and it will always be about making money. The only reason clubs care at all about winning is in order to be able to get their hooks in the next wave of lemmings and keep the money machine fed. Have you seen some of the teams that are out there be sold as "premier", "elite" etc. it's an embarrassing product to have out there, but clearly they don't care and will happily take your money, not exactly sure what some parents are thinking... [/quo

its the same in every sport, playing travel anything is watered down and has become meaningless, have you seen aau basketball? the Northsport lightning teams are impossible to watch, horrible product, but people keep writing checks

You have individuals trying to strike while the iron is hot. Travel sports can be a cash cow for some owners. Right now certain sports are very popular in the travel community. Girls lacrosse is one of them. People set out to make money by starting a program. Charge outrageous fees and do very little for the players. These programs won't be around very long but they do make money for the owner while they are

The schedule for The Presidents cup shows 2018 purple playing 1 game on Sunday. How is that possible?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for The Presidents cup shows 2018 purple playing 1 game on Sunday. How is that possible?

Why such a Jacka$$. They play 3 on Sat at WWOS and 1 on Sun at the other location. Whats so bad about that troll

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for The Presidents cup shows 2018 purple playing 1 game on Sunday. How is that possible?

Why such a Jacka$$. They play 3 on Sat at WWOS and 1 on Sun at the other location. Whats so bad about that troll

That's black you A-hole

Not enough girls to fill the purple team. They were withdrawn from the field. The one game on Sunday is no longer on there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not enough girls to fill the purple team. They were withdrawn from the field. The one game on Sunday is no longer on there.

I just checked tourneymachi e and Purple has 4 games 3 on Saturday and 1 on Sunday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not enough girls to fill the purple team. They were withdrawn from the field. The one game on Sunday is no longer on there.

I just checked tourneymachi e and Purple has 4 games 3 on Saturday and 1 on Sunday

Nope, that's the black teams schedule. Purple was taken out of group 29 on the website.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not enough girls to fill the purple team. They were withdrawn from the field. The one game on Sunday is no longer on there.

Tg is only sending one 2018 team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not enough girls to fill the purple team. They were withdrawn from the field. The one game on Sunday is no longer on there.

Tg is only sending one 2018 team

Again, these are girls who are uncommitted and looking to play in college. Good luck

Do the TG attend the U12, U13 , U14 championship tournament in Virginia?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the TG attend the U12, U13 , U14 championship tournament in Virginia?

Last year they sent 2019 black and 2019 Purple to U15. Now that there is not a U 15 division they may send the younger ones or just decide not to go. The U 14 and younger was modified checking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not enough girls to fill the purple team. They were withdrawn from the field. The one game on Sunday is no longer on there.

Tg is only sending one 2018 team

Again, these are girls who are uncommitted and looking to play in college. Good luck

Plenty of committed girls on that roster as well. There weren't enough girls to field 1 team much less 2. Emails were sent begging girls to sign up. I can't see wasting 2-4k on a useless trip if you're commited already.

How are the teams doing down in florida? Tourney machine isn't staying on top of the scores.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How are the teams doing down in florida? Tourney machine isn't staying on top of the scores.

All 3 teams went 2-1 so far

So now that fall tournaments are over, when do we see the rosters?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now that fall tournaments are over, when do we see the rosters?

After YJ teams are posted, then you get the leftovers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now that fall tournaments are over, when do we see the rosters?

Lol why do you care?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now that fall tournaments are over, when do we see the rosters?

Lol why do you care?

New to the program and I wanted to see how many of my fellow west islip players made black

Lol The question really should be, who cares?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now that fall tournaments are over, when do we see the rosters?

Lol why do you care?

New to the program and I wanted to see how many of my fellow west islip players made black

That's a crock. West islip is a tight knit group. You would know already. Stop fishing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now that fall tournaments are over, when do we see the rosters?

After YJ teams are posted, then you get the leftovers

Referring to student athletes as leftovers is classless, and so are you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now that fall tournaments are over, when do we see the rosters?

After YJ teams are posted, then you get the leftovers

It's the yj way. Belittle your competition to make yourself feel better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now that fall tournaments are over, when do we see the rosters?

Lol why do you care?

New to the program and I wanted to see how many of my fellow west islip players made black

That's a crock. West islip is a tight knit group. You would know already. Stop fishing

I think is was sarcasm

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now that fall tournaments are over, when do we see the rosters?

After YJ teams are posted, then you get the leftovers

Referring to student athletes as leftovers is classless, and so are you.

It might not be the most pc of terms, but are you arguing the sentiment. It's no different than MD, UNC, etc pick their girls and everyone else gets who's left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now that fall tournaments are over, when do we see the rosters?

After YJ teams are posted, then you get the leftovers

Referring to student athletes as leftovers is classless, and so are you.

It's the yj way. Belittle everyone else to make you feel better about your own situation.

[quote=Anonymous]So now that fall tournaments are over, when do we see the rosters?

When BS is ready to post them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]So now that fall tournaments are over, when do we see the rosters?

When BS is ready to post them.

Still waiting to see how many girls leave for YJ. Numerous girls tried out For YJ even after accepting their spots on TG.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]So now that fall tournaments are over, when do we see the rosters?

When BS is ready to post them.

Still waiting to see how many girls leave for YJ. Numerous girls tried out For YJ even after accepting their spots on TG.

We tried out just for fun you idiot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]So now that fall tournaments are over, when do we see the rosters?

When BS is ready to post them.

Still waiting to see how many girls leave for YJ. Numerous girls tried out For YJ even after accepting their spots on TG.

We tried out just for fun you idiot

Tried out for fun? 🙄 Or tried out and daughter didn't get moved into the group with the blue players so is now back peddling because rosters will be posted for all to see?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]So now that fall tournaments are over, when do we see the rosters?

When BS is ready to post them.

Still waiting to see how many girls leave for YJ. Numerous girls tried out For YJ even after accepting their spots on TG.

We tried out just for fun you idiot

Tried out for fun? 🙄 Or tried out and daughter didn't get moved into the group with the blue players so is now back peddling because rosters will be posted for all to see?

You have no idea! Daughter was personally contacted and offered a spot on blue because that good. Not everyone loves the YJ philosophy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]So now that fall tournaments are over, when do we see the rosters?

When BS is ready to post them.

Still waiting to see how many girls leave for YJ. Numerous girls tried out For YJ even after accepting their spots on TG.

We tried out just for fun you idiot

Why? did you/she at least have fun?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So now that fall tournaments are over, when do we see the rosters?

When BS is ready to post them.

Still waiting to see how many girls leave for YJ. Numerous girls tried out For YJ even after accepting their spots on TG.

We tried out just for fun you idiot

Tried out for fun? 🙄 Or tried out and daughter didn't get moved into the group with the blue players so is now back peddling because rosters will be posted for all to see?

Spot on. I tried out for fun that's laughable. Nobody tries out for fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So now that fall tournaments are over, when do we see the rosters?

When BS is ready to post them.

Still waiting to see how many girls leave for YJ. Numerous girls tried out For YJ even after accepting their spots on TG.

We tried out just for fun you idiot

Tried out for fun? 🙄 Or tried out and daughter didn't get moved into the group with the blue players so is now back peddling because rosters will be posted for all to see?

You have no idea! Daughter was personally contacted and offered a spot on blue because that good. Not everyone loves the YJ philosophy

So why try out if you have no intention of accepting a spot on a YJ team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So now that fall tournaments are over, when do we see the rosters?

When BS is ready to post them.

Still waiting to see how many girls leave for YJ. Numerous girls tried out For YJ even after accepting their spots on TG.

We tried out just for fun you idiot

Tried out for fun? 🙄 Or tried out and daughter didn't get moved into the group with the blue players so is now back peddling because rosters will be posted for all to see?

You have no idea! Daughter was personally contacted and offered a spot on blue because that good. Not everyone loves the YJ philosophy

So why try out if you have no intention of accepting a spot on a YJ team.

Already paid, a clinic

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So now that fall tournaments are over, when do we see the rosters?

When BS is ready to post them.

Still waiting to see how many girls leave for YJ. Numerous girls tried out For YJ even after accepting their spots on TG.

We tried out just for fun you idiot

Tried out for fun? 🙄 Or tried out and daughter didn't get moved into the group with the blue players so is now back peddling because rosters will be posted for all to see?

You have no idea! Daughter was personally contacted and offered a spot on blue because that good. Not everyone loves the YJ philosophy

So why try out if you have no intention of accepting a spot on a YJ team.

Already paid, a clinic

I think not, but that's his story and he's sticking to it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So now that fall tournaments are over, when do we see the rosters?

When BS is ready to post them.

Still waiting to see how many girls leave for YJ. Numerous girls tried out For YJ even after accepting their spots on TG.

We tried out just for fun you idiot

Tried out for fun? 🙄 Or tried out and daughter didn't get moved into the group with the blue players so is now back peddling because rosters will be posted for all to see?

You have no idea! Daughter was personally contacted and offered a spot on blue because that good. Not everyone loves the YJ philosophy

So why try out if you have no intention of accepting a spot on a YJ team.

Already paid, a clinic

Why pay for tryouts??

Why do you care so much? A better opportunity than YJA came up before a tryout that the wife paid for the beginning of August. Not everyone thinks YJ is the end all. Their younger teams are not that good, lost way too many games last summer. Lots of girls go to tryout for multiple teams then make the decision about who they want to play for based on coaches and quality of players

[quote=Anonymous]Why do you care so much? A better opportunity than YJA came up before a tryout that the wife paid for the beginning of August. Not everyone thinks YJ is the end all. Their younger teams are not that good, lost way too many games last summer. Lots of girls go to tryout for multiple teams then make the decision about who they want to play for based on coaches and quality of players

YJ isn't what it used to be. TG 23 beat them last year and improved this year by adding quality players. Tired of the parent coaches YJ provides.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you care so much? A better opportunity than YJA came up before a tryout that the wife paid for the beginning of August. Not everyone thinks YJ is the end all. Their younger teams are not that good, lost way too many games last summer. Lots of girls go to tryout for multiple teams then make the decision about who they want to play for based on coaches and quality of players

I thought you just tried out for fun . Please let us know this better opportunity club you just that good kid joined , didn't think so.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you care so much? A better opportunity than YJA came up before a tryout that the wife paid for the beginning of August. Not everyone thinks YJ is the end all. Their younger teams are not that good, lost way too many games last summer. Lots of girls go to tryout for multiple teams then make the decision about who they want to play for based on coaches and quality of players

I thought you just tried out for fun . Please let us know this better opportunity club you just that good kid joined , didn't think so.

Wow, you are creepy! Need to stay away from other peoples kids, and concentrate on your own daughter, if you have one? Mine is more than fine

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you care so much? A better opportunity than YJA came up before a tryout that the wife paid for the beginning of August. Not everyone thinks YJ is the end all. Their younger teams are not that good, lost way too many games last summer. Lots of girls go to tryout for multiple teams then make the decision about who they want to play for based on coaches and quality of players

I thought you just tried out for fun . Please let us know this better opportunity club you just that good kid joined , didn't think so.

Wow, you are creepy! Need to stay away from other peoples kids, and concentrate on your own daughter, if you have one? Mine is more than fine

So let me see if I got this straight. You left TG A because you had a personal invite and guaranteed spot on YJ A but after your wife already paid for the tryout something much better came along but you decided to go to tryouts just for fun?

Hey Bill, you would think for the $1500 you charge me to play for your "elite" club with "world class" coaching that you could at least spell my daughters name right? Every roster has misspellings and girls with wrong first names. How can I trust you to help in my recruiting process when you can't even spell her name right? Now I know why every personal email I get is addressed Dear player. Heres a tip the next time you're setting rosters. If you're stuck on a name just look at the top of the check. That should be pretty easy, I would think.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Bill, you would think for the $1500 you charge me to play for your "elite" club with "world class" coaching that you could at least spell my daughters name right? Every roster has misspellings and girls with wrong first names. How can I trust you to help in my recruiting process when you can't even spell her name right? Now I know why every personal email I get is addressed Dear player. Heres a tip the next time you're setting rosters. If you're stuck on a name just look at the top of the check. That should be pretty easy, I would think.

You are obviously not a tg parent. Just a troll. Because if u were you would have called him already loser. And if it's such an issue why would you keep writing checks??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Bill, you would think for the $1500 you charge me to play for your "elite" club with "world class" coaching that you could at least spell my daughters name right? Every roster has misspellings and girls with wrong first names. How can I trust you to help in my recruiting process when you can't even spell her name right? Now I know why every personal email I get is addressed Dear player. Heres a tip the next time you're setting rosters. If you're stuck on a name just look at the top of the check. That should be pretty easy, I would think.

So YOU play? MY recruiting? Me thinks you need to stop living through your daughter. Another crazy sport parent that has zero perspective.

Um, did you mean to send that post about Bill in an email? Because I don't think this is a better idea.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Um, did you mean to send that post about Bill in an email? Because I don't think this is a better idea.

Tried calling him but he doesn't answer. Sent an email. Let's see if he responds

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Bill, you would think for the $1500 you charge me to play for your "elite" club with "world class" coaching that you could at least spell my daughters name right? Every roster has misspellings and girls with wrong first names. How can I trust you to help in my recruiting process when you can't even spell her name right? Now I know why every personal email I get is addressed Dear player. Heres a tip the next time you're setting rosters. If you're stuck on a name just look at the top of the check. That should be pretty easy, I would think.

So YOU play? MY recruiting? Me thinks you need to stop living through your daughter. Another crazy sport parent that has zero perspective.

Semantics D-bag. I have zero perspective because I expect a program to spell my daughters name right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Bill, you would think for the $1500 you charge me to play for your "elite" club with "world class" coaching that you could at least spell my daughters name right? Every roster has misspellings and girls with wrong first names. How can I trust you to help in my recruiting process when you can't even spell her name right? Now I know why every personal email I get is addressed Dear player. Heres a tip the next time you're setting rosters. If you're stuck on a name just look at the top of the check. That should be pretty easy, I would think.

You are obviously not a tg parent. Just a troll. Because if u were you would have called him already loser. And if it's such an issue why would you keep writing checks??

I approached BS about this last year. Told him that he had my daughters flip flopped on their rosters. He looked at me like I was crazy. That wasn't the only reason we left but needless to say their new program has them on the right rosters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Bill, you would think for the $1500 you charge me to play for your "elite" club with "world class" coaching that you could at least spell my daughters name right? Every roster has misspellings and girls with wrong first names. How can I trust you to help in my recruiting process when you can't even spell her name right? Now I know why every personal email I get is addressed Dear player. Heres a tip the next time you're setting rosters. If you're stuck on a name just look at the top of the check. That should be pretty easy, I would think.

You are obviously not a tg parent. Just a troll. Because if u were you would have called him already loser. And if it's such an issue why would you keep writing checks??

I approached BS about this last year. Told him that he had my daughters flip flopped on their rosters. He looked at me like I was crazy. That wasn't the only reason we left but needless to say their new program has them on the right rosters.

You probably left because your daughter rode pine. Do you realize how transparent you look? Do you email the teacher and ask for extra credit when you daughter fails a test too? Sad that you would complain about a mispelled name on botc. You clearly have other issues you need to deal with

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Bill, you would think for the $1500 you charge me to play for your "elite" club with "world class" coaching that you could at least spell my daughters name right? Every roster has misspellings and girls with wrong first names. How can I trust you to help in my recruiting process when you can't even spell her name right? Now I know why every personal email I get is addressed Dear player. Heres a tip the next time you're setting rosters. If you're stuck on a name just look at the top of the check. That should be pretty easy, I would think.

You are obviously not a tg parent. Just a troll. Because if u were you would have called him already loser. And if it's such an issue why would you keep writing checks??

I approached BS about this last year. Told him that he had my daughters flip flopped on their rosters. He looked at me like I was crazy. That wasn't the only reason we left but needless to say their new program has them on the right rosters.

You probably left because your daughter rode pine. Do you realize how transparent you look? Do you email the teacher and ask for extra credit when you daughter fails a test too? Sad that you would complain about a mispelled name on botc. You clearly have other issues you need to deal with

Can't assume players leave for riding the pine . Nearly every best player on the black teams have left in all age groups. Why would all the studs leave? I have never heard of this happening at any other club, unless they are under competitive. Not saying everyone should leave, club is great fit for many, but players leave for many reasons beyond riding the pine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Bill, you would think for the $1500 you charge me to play for your "elite" club with "world class" coaching that you could at least spell my daughters name right? Every roster has misspellings and girls with wrong first names. How can I trust you to help in my recruiting process when you can't even spell her name right? Now I know why every personal email I get is addressed Dear player. Heres a tip the next time you're setting rosters. If you're stuck on a name just look at the top of the check. That should be pretty easy, I would think.

You are obviously not a tg parent. Just a troll. Because if u were you would have called him already loser. And if it's such an issue why would you keep writing checks??

I approached BS about this last year. Told him that he had my daughters flip flopped on their rosters. He looked at me like I was crazy. That wasn't the only reason we left but needless to say their new program has them on the right rosters.

You probably left because your daughter rode pine. Do you realize how transparent you look? Do you email the teacher and ask for extra credit when you daughter fails a test too? Sad that you would complain about a mispelled name on botc. You clearly have other issues you need to deal with

You morons love to defend Bill and the rest of his crew. Keep going to all the camps and clinics and maybe he'll say hi to you at the next indoor practice

Don't worry about him spelling your name right, it won't matter. He won't be mentioning it or sending it to anyone. You won't get emails answered, won't get help in the recruiting process other then "send them your schedule" and when asked about attending college camps he will say "do whatever you want" -and even if he spells your daughters name right he will never say hello to you or her unless you consider a passing grunt a greeting. Do yourself a favor: go to a small club that doesn't take more than 21/22 girls on a roster. Recruiters don't give a shyte what team you play for, and anyone saying different is getting paid to. Watch how coaches see him coming and briskly walk in the opposite direction, you know why? Because he's just as rude to them. Do not give another dime to any organization that has not been able to maintain at least half of their teams. At the very least print out all rosters now and see how they decline in numbers, that's because by 9th grade people get fed up and know the ignorance. If you expect him to call coaches and copy you on communication don't hold your breathe. I have no doubt an anonymous poster will now claim that the almighty helped his child but in reality it's just the family posting because they read every thing on here. Save yourself the time and aggravation and get on a smaller more intimate team. Always X-ray things

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Bill, you would think for the $1500 you charge me to play for your "elite" club with "world class" coaching that you could at least spell my daughters name right? Every roster has misspellings and girls with wrong first names. How can I trust you to help in my recruiting process when you can't even spell her name right? Now I know why every personal email I get is addressed Dear player. Heres a tip the next time you're setting rosters. If you're stuck on a name just look at the top of the check. That should be pretty easy, I would think.

So YOU play? MY recruiting? Me thinks you need to stop living through your daughter. Another crazy sport parent that has zero perspective.

Semantics D-bag. I have zero perspective because I expect a program to spell my daughters name right?

It's not semantics D-baggie bag. You don't play and it's not u being recruited. You r living thru your daughter in a very unhealthy way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Bill, you would think for the $1500 you charge me to play for your "elite" club with "world class" coaching that you could at least spell my daughters name right? Every roster has misspellings and girls with wrong first names. How can I trust you to help in my recruiting process when you can't even spell her name right? Now I know why every personal email I get is addressed Dear player. Heres a tip the next time you're setting rosters. If you're stuck on a name just look at the top of the check. That should be pretty easy, I would think.

So YOU play? MY recruiting? Me thinks you need to stop living through your daughter. Another crazy sport parent that has zero perspective.

Semantics D-bag. I have zero perspective because I expect a program to spell my daughters name right?

It's not semantics D-baggie bag. You don't play and it's not u being recruited. You r living thru your daughter in a very unhealthy way.

Your ridiculous. Sorry but every parent I know has said the old "who do we play next " . As far as the recruiting process it's a family affair and as the coaches say over and over again they recruit families not just the player. Seems to me like you want to change the subject from the horrible job done by TG to help its players .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Bill, you would think for the $1500 you charge me to play for your "elite" club with "world class" coaching that you could at least spell my daughters name right? Every roster has misspellings and girls with wrong first names. How can I trust you to help in my recruiting process when you can't even spell her name right? Now I know why every personal email I get is addressed Dear player. Heres a tip the next time you're setting rosters. If you're stuck on a name just look at the top of the check. That should be pretty easy, I would think.

You are obviously not a tg parent. Just a troll. Because if u were you would have called him already loser. And if it's such an issue why would you keep writing checks??

I approached BS about this last year. Told him that he had my daughters flip flopped on their rosters. He looked at me like I was crazy. That wasn't the only reason we left but needless to say their new program has them on the right rosters.

Why are you bitching about names on a roster if you already left the program?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Bill, you would think for the $1500 you charge me to play for your "elite" club with "world class" coaching that you could at least spell my daughters name right? Every roster has misspellings and girls with wrong first names. How can I trust you to help in my recruiting process when you can't even spell her name right? Now I know why every personal email I get is addressed Dear player. Heres a tip the next time you're setting rosters. If you're stuck on a name just look at the top of the check. That should be pretty easy, I would think.

You are obviously not a tg parent. Just a troll. Because if u were you would have called him already loser. And if it's such an issue why would you keep writing checks??

I approached BS about this last year. Told him that he had my daughters flip flopped on their rosters. He looked at me like I was crazy. That wasn't the only reason we left but needless to say their new program has them on the right rosters.

Why are you bitching about names on a roster if you already left the program?

Because moms a bitter tool who's daughter did not live up to expectations

as Tandy would say...boom

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Um, did you mean to send that post about Bill in an email? Because I don't think this is a better idea.

Tried calling him but he doesn't answer. Sent an email. Let's see if he responds

Right, you expect us to believe you actually have a daughter on TG and you bash Bill on line and pretend now you sent him an email and phone call? If you really did there's no reason any club director would put up with your crap, as I'm sure he's seen or heard of your post. your daughter is gone. but , of course you actually don't have one. at least not one on TG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Um, did you mean to send that post about Bill in an email? Because I don't think this is a better idea.

Tried calling him but he doesn't answer. Sent an email. Let's see if he responds

Right, you expect us to believe you actually have a daughter on TG and you bash Bill on line and pretend now you sent him an email and phone call? If you really did there's no reason any club director would put up with your crap, as I'm sure he's seen or heard of your post. your daughter is gone. but , of course you actually don't have one. at least not one on TG

I really dont care what you believe. My daughter and a couple others have been changed to the correct names. No response from the program but it's fixed. Now I can't wait to go to indoor practice Sunday and buy an overpriced winter hat.

keep your day job...just not that funny big guy/gal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Um, did you mean to send that post about Bill in an email? Because I don't think this is a better idea.

Tried calling him but he doesn't answer. Sent an email. Let's see if he responds

Right, you expect us to believe you actually have a daughter on TG and you bash Bill on line and pretend now you sent him an email and phone call? If you really did there's no reason any club director would put up with your crap, as I'm sure he's seen or heard of your post. your daughter is gone. but , of course you actually don't have one. at least not one on TG

I really dont care what you believe. My daughter and a couple others have been changed to the correct names. No response from the program but it's fixed. Now I can't wait to go to indoor practice Sunday and buy an overpriced winter hat.

Thought you already left:

"That wasn't the only reason we left but needless to say their new program has them on the right rosters."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Um, did you mean to send that post about Bill in an email? Because I don't think this is a better idea.

Tried calling him but he doesn't answer. Sent an email. Let's see if he responds

Right, you expect us to believe you actually have a daughter on TG and you bash Bill on line and pretend now you sent him an email and phone call? If you really did there's no reason any club director would put up with your crap, as I'm sure he's seen or heard of your post. your daughter is gone. but , of course you actually don't have one. at least not one on TG

I really dont care what you believe. My daughter and a couple others have been changed to the correct names. No response from the program but it's fixed. Now I can't wait to go to indoor practice Sunday and buy an overpriced winter hat.

Thought you already left:

"That wasn't the only reason we left but needless to say their new program has them on the right rosters."

Looks like it was two different posters talking about the same problem

Why is it that tops guns 2020 black players are getting committed and only a few from the 2019 purple are. Purple has very good players on that team which are just as good or better. I understand that there is a year in difference but that shouldn't be a factor. Is it that the purple is the redheaded step-child and TG dosen't promote the purple team at tournaments? Can someone educate me on this? Tks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is it that tops guns 2020 black players are getting committed and only a few from the 2019 purple are. Purple has very good players on that team which are just as good or better. I understand that there is a year in difference but that shouldn't be a factor. Is it that the purple is the redheaded step-child and TG dosen't promote the purple team at tournaments? Can someone educate me on this? Tks

Is this a disgruntled purple parent??
Take your daughter to camps. Clinics. Make a recruiting page.

sure. 2020 are more talented overall. you may think your daughter is being overlooked , but if the coaches see something they will call on her/you.
may be other factors...are you too outspoken on sideline? do you post videos etc. on social media? that is not a good idea.

how many 2019 Black (A) team have committed? that's who will go before Purple

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is it that tops guns 2020 black players are getting committed and only a few from the 2019 purple are. Purple has very good players on that team which are just as good or better. I understand that there is a year in difference but that shouldn't be a factor. Is it that the purple is the redheaded step-child and TG dosen't promote the purple team at tournaments? Can someone educate me on this? Tks

I smell something yellow in this post

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is it that tops guns 2020 black players are getting committed and only a few from the 2019 purple are. Purple has very good players on that team which are just as good or better. I understand that there is a year in difference but that shouldn't be a factor. Is it that the purple is the redheaded step-child and TG dosen't promote the purple team at tournaments? Can someone educate me on this? Tks

People are crazy. Look at the schools that the few 2020 studs committed to. You will not see any purple players going to these schools (except Hofstra). The schools that end up taking "some" of the purple players are lower caliber teams who are a year or two behind on the recruiting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is it that tops guns 2020 black players are getting committed and only a few from the 2019 purple are. Purple has very good players on that team which are just as good or better. I understand that there is a year in difference but that shouldn't be a factor. Is it that the purple is the redheaded step-child and TG dosen't promote the purple team at tournaments? Can someone educate me on this? Tks

Yes. But they don't help black team either. They collect your annual fee and tell you to email some coaches.
Don't expect suggestions on good fits, or heaven forbid a phone call to a coach. Get out while you can and go to a smaller club, remember recruiters are willing to see a game if the player contacts them and it's better to shine on a smaller team with more playing time!

it was very sad watching BS coach the 2021 black team , against 2021 purple team in the semi-finals at the Hofstra tournament last year . PATHETIC AND SAD . keep coaching the black team and ignore the purple and white team!!! while they fatten you wallet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is it that tops guns 2020 black players are getting committed and only a few from the 2019 purple are. Purple has very good players on that team which are just as good or better. I understand that there is a year in difference but that shouldn't be a factor. Is it that the purple is the redheaded step-child and TG dosen't promote the purple team at tournaments? Can someone educate me on this? Tks

Yes. But they don't help black team either. They collect your annual fee and tell you to email some coaches.
Don't expect suggestions on good fits, or heaven forbid a phone call to a coach. Get out while you can and go to a smaller club, remember recruiters are willing to see a game if the player contacts them and it's better to shine on a smaller team with more playing time!

My daughter is on 2020 Black and I have been helped tremendously by BS & SS. They will make calls when you ask them to and have returned every call the college coaches have made on my daughters behalf.

its all about the money for TG !! purple and white teams are ignored by BS and SS , they promise you coaches and you get SS former players with zero experience of coaching

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Why is it that tops guns 2020 black players are getting committed and only a few from the 2019 purple are. Purple has very good players on that team which are just as good or better. I understand that there is a year in difference but that shouldn't be a factor. Is it that the purple is the redheaded step-child and TG dosen't promote the purple team at tournaments? Can someone educate me on this? Tks

Yes. But they don't help black team either. They collect your annual fee and tell you to email some coaches.
Don't expect suggestions on good fits, or heaven forbid a phone call to a coach. Get out while you can and go to a smaller club, remember recruiters are willing to see a game if the player contacts them and it's better to shine on a smaller team with more playing time!

My daughter is on 2020 Black and I have been helped tremendously by BS & SS. They will make calls when you ask them to and have returned every call the college coaches have made on my daughters behalf. [/quote

Please , how would you know what they have done on your daughters behalf . Studs on the 2020 team is pretty funny , the one stud ever from that team left to because there was no one else on the team .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

it was very sad watching BS coach the 2021 black team , against 2021 purple team in the semi-finals at the Hofstra tournament last year . PATHETIC AND SAD . keep coaching the black team and ignore the purple and white team!!! while they fatten you wallet

Then all the 2021 players left, most ending up on a B team that is also ignored. And we all keep payin!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is it that tops guns 2020 black players are getting committed and only a few from the 2019 purple are. Purple has very good players on that team which are just as good or better. I understand that there is a year in difference but that shouldn't be a factor. Is it that the purple is the redheaded step-child and TG dosen't promote the purple team at tournaments? Can someone educate me on this? Tks

Yes. But they don't help black team either. They collect your annual fee and tell you to email some coaches.
Don't expect suggestions on good fits, or heaven forbid a phone call to a coach. Get out while you can and go to a smaller club, remember recruiters are willing to see a game if the player contacts them and it's better to shine on a smaller team with more playing time!

My daughter is on 2020 Black and I have been helped tremendously by BS & SS. They will make calls when you ask them to and have returned every call the college coaches have made on my daughters behalf.

Andrew? Oh hi! I knew you'd be back!

Why is so hard to believe that a younger team's top players can be better than the bottom of the roster on an team that's a year older? At least the top three players on black can commit well before girls who are older, yet alone on a purple team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Why is it that tops guns 2020 black players are getting committed and only a few from the 2019 purple are. Purple has very good players on that team which are just as good or better. I understand that there is a year in difference but that shouldn't be a factor. Is it that the purple is the redheaded step-child and TG dosen't promote the purple team at tournaments? Can someone educate me on this? Tks

Yes. But they don't help black team either. They collect your annual fee and tell you to email some coaches.
Don't expect suggestions on good fits, or heaven forbid a phone call to a coach. Get out while you can and go to a smaller club, remember recruiters are willing to see a game if the player contacts them and it's better to shine on a smaller team with more playing time!

My daughter is on 2020 Black and I have been helped tremendously by BS & SS. They will make calls when you ask them to and have returned every call the college coaches have made on my daughters behalf. [/quote

Please , how would you know what they have done on your daughters behalf . Studs on the 2020 team is pretty funny , the one stud ever from that team left to because there was no one else on the team .

Obviously the college coaches do not agree with you!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Why is it that tops guns 2020 black players are getting committed and only a few from the 2019 purple are. Purple has very good players on that team which are just as good or better. I understand that there is a year in difference but that shouldn't be a factor. Is it that the purple is the redheaded step-child and TG dosen't promote the purple team at tournaments? Can someone educate me on this? Tks

Yes. But they don't help black team either. They collect your annual fee and tell you to email some coaches.
Don't expect suggestions on good fits, or heaven forbid a phone call to a coach. Get out while you can and go to a smaller club, remember recruiters are willing to see a game if the player contacts them and it's better to shine on a smaller team with more playing time!

My daughter is on 2020 Black and I have been helped tremendously by BS & SS. They will make calls when you ask them to and have returned every call the college coaches have made on my daughters behalf. [/quote

Please , how would you know what they have done on your daughters behalf . Studs on the 2020 team is pretty funny , the one stud ever from that team left to because there was no one else on the team .

Obviously the college coaches do not agree with you!

Don't worry they will. I guess the college coaches must not think the non committed kids on the team are studs using your logic . The best thing that ever happened to that team were when all the better players left so some of the bench kids could get recruited .

Smiths are notorious for only taking care of their black teams. They wouldn't know half the names of the girls on purple at any age group.

Every club only cares about top team. YJ Liberty Elevate and legacy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Smiths are notorious for only taking care of their black teams. They wouldn't know half the names of the girls on purple at any age group.

Ummm....that's true of basically every club I've ever been involved with boys and girls side. The only time it's ok being in a b team, is when you have a dedicated coach and a team that is motivated and all in. Otherwise it doesn't go well because when they lose a lot of games everyone wants to blame someone. Directors are concerned with their A teams that's the way it is, the other teams are just money makers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Why is it that tops guns 2020 black players are getting committed and only a few from the 2019 purple are. Purple has very good players on that team which are just as good or better. I understand that there is a year in difference but that shouldn't be a factor. Is it that the purple is the redheaded step-child and TG dosen't promote the purple team at tournaments? Can someone educate me on this? Tks

Yes. But they don't help black team either. They collect your annual fee and tell you to email some coaches.
Don't expect suggestions on good fits, or heaven forbid a phone call to a coach. Get out while you can and go to a smaller club, remember recruiters are willing to see a game if the player contacts them and it's better to shine on a smaller team with more playing time!

My daughter is on 2020 Black and I have been helped tremendously by BS & SS. They will make calls when you ask them to and have returned every call the college coaches have made on my daughters behalf. [/quote

Please , how would you know what they have done on your daughters behalf . Studs on the 2020 team is pretty funny , the one stud ever from that team left to because there was no one else on the team .

Obviously the college coaches do not agree with you!

Don't worry they will. I guess the college coaches must not think the non committed kids on the team are studs using your logic . The best thing that ever happened to that team were when all the better players left so some of the bench kids could get recruited .

So, you're saying "bench" kids wouldn't have been recruited if the other kids stayed? Then basically you're saying they (the "bench" kids) really aren't that good because they couldn't shine with the other kids there? If your kid was truly that good they should have shined no matter who was on the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Why is it that tops guns 2020 black players are getting committed and only a few from the 2019 purple are. Purple has very good players on that team which are just as good or better. I understand that there is a year in difference but that shouldn't be a factor. Is it that the purple is the redheaded step-child and TG dosen't promote the purple team at tournaments? Can someone educate me on this? Tks

Yes. But they don't help black team either. They collect your annual fee and tell you to email some coaches.
Don't expect suggestions on good fits, or heaven forbid a phone call to a coach. Get out while you can and go to a smaller club, remember recruiters are willing to see a game if the player contacts them and it's better to shine on a smaller team with more playing time!

My daughter is on 2020 Black and I have been helped tremendously by BS & SS. They will make calls when you ask them to and have returned every call the college coaches have made on my daughters behalf. [/quote

Please , how would you know what they have done on your daughters behalf . Studs on the 2020 team is pretty funny , the one stud ever from that team left to because there was no one else on the team .

Obviously the college coaches do not agree with you!

Don't worry they will. I guess the college coaches must not think the non committed kids on the team are studs using your logic . The best thing that ever happened to that team were when all the better players left so some of the bench kids could get recruited .

So, you're saying "bench" kids wouldn't have been recruited if the other kids stayed? Then basically you're saying they (the "bench" kids) really aren't that good because they couldn't shine with the other kids there? If your kid was truly that good they should have shined no matter who was on the team.

Almost all players on top TG and Leg teams are players who didn't make YJ top team, it's really that simple

You have no idea what you're talking about, ignorance at its best!

Thanks for all the info, greatly appreciated. Good luck to you and your daughters this season.

Take a look at the YJ rosters for 2018, 19 and 20. They are littered with TG girls that left. No YJ girls leave to go play on TG top teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take a look at the YJ rosters for 2018, 19 and 20. They are littered with TG girls that left. No YJ girls leave to go play on TG top teams.

Leave little troll. Hype your teams on the YJ thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take a look at the YJ rosters for 2018, 19 and 20. They are littered with TG girls that left. No YJ girls leave to go play on TG top teams.

Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about. But keep chirping away! Too funny!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You have no idea what you're talking about, ignorance at its best!

I agree! There are PLENTY of TG kids who have never tried out for YJ and plenty who would not want to play at YJ. I know it's hard to comprehend but not every good lax player on LI wants to play there.

where does YG practice?

TG is not in same league with YG. stop the posing that it is.
be honest with yourself and daughter. if you are on a B team with TG you are not a big time recruit no matter how you spin it.

If I recall aren't TG's tryouts 2 months before YJ. So that would be that YJ would get the excessive players to tryout that didn't make TG. I guess that's why there are 5 teams per age group on YG. $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TG is not in same league with YG. stop the posing that it is.
be honest with yourself and daughter. if you are on a B team with TG you are not a big time recruit no matter how you spin it.

Guess you are not familiar with 2023, do some research then shut your hole

How does YJ rank the teams?

talking about h.s. age....no one cares the slightest about 2023...except you mommy. have another quart of ice cream

Originally Posted by Anonymous

talking about h.s. age....no one cares the slightest about 2023...except you mommy. have another quart of ice cream

Nobody cares about you or your pine riding daughter, it's too late for her, mine on the other hand is up and coming. If I am still on here chriping like you when my daughter is in HS, it would be sad. Now go have another drink!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does YJ rank the teams?

nobody cares

Originally Posted by Anonymous

talking about h.s. age....no one cares the slightest about 2023...except you mommy. have another quart of ice cream

Nobody cares about you or your pine riding daughter, it's too late for her, mine on the other hand is up and coming. If I am still on here chriping like you when my daughter is in HS, it would be sad. Now go have another drink!!

His point is, if right now TG 2023 is better than YJ, it won't stay that way. The best players on TG will end up on YJ by the time they get to HS. So they are correct, if you are on a TG "B" team going into HS, you are not going to get recruited to any major programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

talking about h.s. age....no one cares the slightest about 2023...except you mommy. have another quart of ice cream

Nobody cares about you or your pine riding daughter, it's too late for her, mine on the other hand is up and coming. If I am still on here chriping like you when my daughter is in HS, it would be sad. Now go have another drink!!

His point is, if right now TG 2023 is better than YJ, it won't stay that way. The best players on TG will end up on YJ by the time they get to HS. So they are correct, if you are on a TG "B" team going into HS, you are not going to get recruited to any major programs.

You yj pukes crack me up! Over and over the only thing you narrow-minded, short-sighted lemmings care about is Top 5 lax school, major program, best this, top that. While cr and his husband are cashing your checks you blind faith suckers are caring about the completely wrong things with completely screwed up priorities. You do realize that there is no gold at the end of the lax rainbow, right? You're giving up more money to play club lax than your little honeycomb jelly is gonna get in college over her entire college career, right? There is no pro league. Let the kid play where THEY want to play regardless if its D1, D2, D3, NAIA, juco or club. Jeez, get a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

talking about h.s. age....no one cares the slightest about 2023...except you mommy. have another quart of ice cream

Nobody cares about you or your pine riding daughter, it's too late for her, mine on the other hand is up and coming. If I am still on here chriping like you when my daughter is in HS, it would be sad. Now go have another drink!!

His point is, if right now TG 2023 is better than YJ, it won't stay that way. The best players on TG will end up on YJ by the time they get to HS. So they are correct, if you are on a TG "B" team going into HS, you are not going to get recruited to any major programs.

You yj pukes crack me up! Over and over the only thing you narrow-minded, short-sighted lemmings care about is Top 5 lax school, major program, best this, top that. While cr and his husband are cashing your checks you blind faith suckers are caring about the completely wrong things with completely screwed up priorities. You do realize that there is no gold at the end of the lax rainbow, right? You're giving up more money to play club lax than your little honeycomb jelly is gonna get in college over her entire college career, right? There is no pro league. Let the kid play where THEY want to play regardless if its D1, D2, D3, NAIA, juco or club. Jeez, get a life.

The vast majority of YJ girls disappear onto the bench and never come off once they get to college. They are overhyped by the organization, but in reality only about 2-4 players on any of those teams are the real deal. The parents of the top girls would not come on this site bragging, they do't have to. That leaves the parents of the girls who barely play trying to justify..."but my daughter plays for YJ, they're the bestest" . Comical!

haha.. that's so true. "its all about being on the team and the experience",
my foot.
if that were the case , why not just play for a team where you get P.T. and improve your skills? im pretty sure that the kids on those less recognized programs enjoy the company of teammates .

Dont forget all the puffy moms and dads who can also proudly wear their over priced YJ hoodies.....lol

2021 YJ to Maryland - is she former TG ?
https://mobile.twitter.com/LIYELLOWJACKETS/status/834305657977323520?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dont forget all the puffy moms and dads who can also proudly wear their over priced YJ hoodies.....lol

and wife-beater tee-shirts...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 YJ to Maryland - is she former TG ?
https://mobile.twitter.com/LIYELLOWJACKETS/status/834305657977323520?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

why are you asking? you don't know that answer?

Funny thing is Maryland like her and BS was not passing on the emails and info to the family. He decided on his own without consulting family she was too young or wanted to direct her where he wanted her to go. Kid moves to YJ this fall and CR (say what you want about her, but she gets it done), passed on all communications and offers. Girl's family made an informed decision.

Congrats to her.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny thing is Maryland like her and BS was not passing on the emails and info to the family. He decided on his own without consulting family she was too young or wanted to direct her where he wanted her to go. Kid moves to YJ this fall and CR (say what you want about her, but she gets it done), passed on all communications and offers. Girl's family made an informed decision.

Congrats to her.

Yes that was part of the deal, congrats to the kid. But pls don't paint CR as a good guy (gal). She cares about winning and will make any deal to make that happen, even at the expense of other kids. And I don't have. Kid moved down, just some good friends on the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]talking about h.s. age....no one cares the slightest about 2023...except you mommy. have another quart of ice cream

Nobody cares about you or your pine riding daughter, it's too late for her, mine on the other hand is up and coming. If I am still on here chriping like you when my daughter is in HS, it would be sad. Now go have another drink!!

His point is, if right now TG 2023 is better than YJ, it won't stay that way. The best players on TG will end up on YJ by the time they get to HS. So they are correct, if you are on a TG "B" team going into HS, you are not going to get recruited to any major programs.

You yj pukes crack me up! Over and over the only thing you narrow-minded, short-sighted lemmings care about is Top 5 lax school, major program, best this, top that. While cr and his husband are cashing your checks you blind faith suckers are caring about the completely wrong things with completely screwed up priorities. You do realize that there is no gold at the end of the lax rainbow, right? You're giving up more money to play club lax than your little honeycomb jelly is gonna get in college over her entire college career, right? There is no pro league. Let the kid play where THEY want to play regardless if its D1, D2, D3, NAIA, juco or club. Jeez, get a life.

The vast majority of YJ girls disappear onto the bench and never come off once they get to college. They are overhyped by the organization, but in reality only about 2-4 players on any of those teams are the real deal. The parents of the top girls would not come on this site bragging, they do't have to. That leaves the parents of the girls who barely play trying to justify..."but my daughter plays for YJ, they're the bestest" . Comical! [/quote

Yes they should all follow TG theory and go to Hofstra , at least they will see the field there , granted they will have to enjoy losing , low level academics , ugly campus , but at least they can say they were on the field when they lost to so and so team who did not play as much as "I did". What's comical is you are bashing kids who are chasing their dreams by saying they should attend some mediocre program . Then you are bashing the coaches of these programs by saying they get fooled by YJ year after year , maybe Shannon needs to get fooled also so she can start winning some games just like Spallina.

Bottom line is that this LI. There are too many great players for one or two teams. Clearly through the years YJ has established itself as by far the best. That can change, will it? Probably not but who knows. As long as your daughter is happy and playing that's all,that matters

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]talking about h.s. age....no one cares the slightest about 2023...except you mommy. have another quart of ice cream

Nobody cares about you or your pine riding daughter, it's too late for her, mine on the other hand is up and coming. If I am still on here chriping like you when my daughter is in HS, it would be sad. Now go have another drink!!

His point is, if right now TG 2023 is better than YJ, it won't stay that way. The best players on TG will end up on YJ by the time they get to HS. So they are correct, if you are on a TG "B" team going into HS, you are not going to get recruited to any major programs.

You yj pukes crack me up! Over and over the only thing you narrow-minded, short-sighted lemmings care about is Top 5 lax school, major program, best this, top that. While cr and his husband are cashing your checks you blind faith suckers are caring about the completely wrong things with completely screwed up priorities. You do realize that there is no gold at the end of the lax rainbow, right? You're giving up more money to play club lax than your little honeycomb jelly is gonna get in college over her entire college career, right? There is no pro league. Let the kid play where THEY want to play regardless if its D1, D2, D3, NAIA, juco or club. Jeez, get a life.

The vast majority of YJ girls disappear onto the bench and never come off once they get to college. They are overhyped by the organization, but in reality only about 2-4 players on any of those teams are the real deal. The parents of the top girls would not come on this site bragging, they do't have to. That leaves the parents of the girls who barely play trying to justify..."but my daughter plays for YJ, they're the bestest" . Comical! [/quote

Yes they should all follow TG theory and go to Hofstra , at least they will see the field there , granted they will have to enjoy losing , low level academics , ugly campus , but at least they can say they were on the field when they lost to so and so team who did not play as much as "I did". What's comical is you are bashing kids who are chasing their dreams by saying they should attend some mediocre program . Then you are bashing the coaches of these programs by saying they get fooled by YJ year after year , maybe Shannon needs to get fooled also so she can start winning some games just like Spallina.

Someone sounds very bitter! Sorry your daughter didn't live up to expectations and you wasted her college tuition on YJ. At least you got to spend your summers on the Jersey Tpke all donned up in full YJ apparel, hahaha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny thing is Maryland like her and BS was not passing on the emails and info to the family. He decided on his own without consulting family she was too young or wanted to direct her where he wanted her to go. Kid moves to YJ this fall and CR (say what you want about her, but she gets it done), passed on all communications and offers. Girl's family made an informed decision.

Congrats to her.

I have heard this complaint before. This is where a conflict of interest lies. You are depending on information being passed through the director of the club who wants first dibs on TG players. If recruiting was later and coaches were allowed to contact player directly there would be no problem.

In a rush to get their latest commit on the TG website, they listed the 2020 girls name wrong. Could it be because she chose the directors rival school on long Island?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In a rush to get their latest commit on the TG website, they listed the 2020 girls name wrong. Could it be because she chose the directors rival school on long Island?

Yes.....its a large conspiracy...WikiLeaks will be doing a email dump on this. Or maybe...???? it was just a mistake. Bye troll

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In a rush to get their latest commit on the TG website, they listed the 2020 girls name wrong. Could it be because she chose the directors rival school on long Island?

Yes.....its a large conspiracy...WikiLeaks will be doing a email dump on this. Or maybe...???? it was just a mistake. Bye troll

On a side note ,does it seem that at the younger ages SB is getting the better TG recruits compared with Hofstra. That does not bode well for SS when she cannot get the better players from her own club that want to stay on LI. If that is the case where is Hofstra going to get their future players from ?

Any Legacy 2020 girls commit yet? They have a good number of good players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In a rush to get their latest commit on the TG website, they listed the 2020 girls name wrong. Could it be because she chose the directors rival school on long Island?

Yes.....its a large conspiracy...WikiLeaks will be doing a email dump on this. Or maybe...???? it was just a mistake. Bye troll

On a side note ,does it seem that at the younger ages SB is getting the better TG recruits compared with Hofstra. That does not bode well for SS when she cannot get the better players from her own club that want to stay on LI. If that is the case where is Hofstra going to get their future players from ?

Is that your opinion or do you have facts to back that up. Only the facts on BOTC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In a rush to get their latest commit on the TG website, they listed the 2020 girls name wrong. Could it be because she chose the directors rival school on long Island?

Yes.....its a large conspiracy...WikiLeaks will be doing a email dump on this. Or maybe...???? it was just a mistake. Bye troll

On a side note ,does it seem that at the younger ages SB is getting the better TG recruits compared with Hofstra. That does not bode well for SS when she cannot get the better players from her own club that want to stay on LI. If that is the case where is Hofstra going to get their future players from ?

Is that your opinion or do you have facts to back that up. Only the facts on BOTC

More educated opinion than fact , not sure you can say that any program gets the better recruits over another as being factual . Again knowing the 2020 and 2019 age groups at TG it just seems to be the case. SB got the top 2 TG 2019 players and the top 2020 TG player , just saying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In a rush to get their latest commit on the TG website, they listed the 2020 girls name wrong. Could it be because she chose the directors rival school on long Island?

Yes.....its a large conspiracy...WikiLeaks will be doing a email dump on this. Or maybe...???? it was just a mistake. Bye troll

On a side note ,does it seem that at the younger ages SB is getting the better TG recruits compared with Hofstra. That does not bode well for SS when she cannot get the better players from her own club that want to stay on LI. If that is the case where is Hofstra going to get their future players from ?

Is that your opinion or do you have facts to back that up. Only the facts on BOTC

More educated opinion than fact , not sure you can say that any program gets the better recruits over another as being factual . Again knowing the 2020 and 2019 age groups at TG it just seems to be the case. SB got the top 2 TG 2019 players and the top 2020 TG player , just saying.lol those two are not the top 2019 girls

I'll take the SB commits over the ones going to Florida any day

Wow that's messed up
And there are 3 19s to sb

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]In a rush to get their latest commit on the TG website, they listed the 2020 girls name wrong. Could it be because she chose the directors rival school on long Island?

Yes.....its a large conspiracy...WikiLeaks will be doing a email dump on this. Or maybe...???? it was just a mistake. Bye troll

On a side note ,does it seem that at the younger ages SB is getting the better TG recruits compared with Hofstra. That does not bode well for SS when she cannot get the better players from her own club that want to stay on LI. If that is the case where is Hofstra going to get their future players from ?

Is that your opinion or do you have facts to back that up. Only the facts on BOTC

More educated opinion than fact , not sure you can say that any program gets the better recruits over another as being factual . Again knowing the 2020 and 2019 age groups at TG it just seems to be the case. SB got the top 2 TG 2019 players and the top 2020 TG player , just saying.lol those two are not the top 2019 girls

2 of the top 2019 players yes and the 2020 player is not the top kid. A good player yes but not the top. Good luck to all the girls wherever they land.

2 of the top but not the top 2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]In a rush to get their latest commit on the TG website, they listed the 2020 girls name wrong. Could it be because she chose the directors rival school on long Island?

Yes.....its a large conspiracy...WikiLeaks will be doing a email dump on this. Or maybe...???? it was just a mistake. Bye troll

On a side note ,does it seem that at the younger ages SB is getting the better TG recruits compared with Hofstra. That does not bode well for SS when she cannot get the better players from her own club that want to stay on LI. If that is the case where is Hofstra going to get their future players from ?

Is that your opinion or do you have facts to back that up. Only the facts on BOTC

More educated opinion than fact , not sure you can say that any program gets the better recruits over another as being factual . Again knowing the 2020 and 2019 age groups at TG it just seems to be the case. SB got the top 2 TG 2019 players and the top 2020 TG player , just saying.lol those two are not the top 2019 girls

2 of the top 2019 players yes and the 2020 player is not the top kid. A good player yes but not the top. Good luck to all the girls wherever they land.

Who would that top player be then?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]In a rush to get their latest commit on the TG website, they listed the 2020 girls name wrong. Could it be because she chose the directors rival school on long Island?

Yes.....its a large conspiracy...WikiLeaks will be doing a email dump on this. Or maybe...???? it was just a mistake. Bye troll

On a side note ,does it seem that at the younger ages SB is getting the better TG recruits compared with Hofstra. That does not bode well for SS when she cannot get the better players from her own club that want to stay on LI. If that is the case where is Hofstra going to get their future players from ?

Is that your opinion or do you have facts to back that up. Only the facts on BOTC

More educated opinion than fact , not sure you can say that any program gets the better recruits over another as being factual . Again knowing the 2020 and 2019 age groups at TG it just seems to be the case. SB got the top 2 TG 2019 players and the top 2020 TG player , just saying.lol those two are not the top 2019 girls

2 of the top 2019 players yes and the 2020 player is not the top kid. A good player yes but not the top. Good luck to all the girls wherever they land.

Who's the top kid......your daughter?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I believe the quote was �They teach good sportsmanship, team spirit and the rules of the game� nothing about the �Top Gun being the champions of sportsmanship� Get it straight. I have seen plenty of games as well and the coaching staff teaches the rules and how to play as a team. They DO NOT to promote an aggressive behavior on the field, like some other well-known �yellow� teams.

What a joke!!!!!! If that is the case, the Top Gun girls don't listen very well. They are probably too busy listening to their out of control aggressive parents!

It seems that you�re the joke. I have been explaining that the girls on the Top Guns are well coached. It seems the only aggressive one in this conversation is you. This is typical of a self-centered, self-severing person such as yourself.

That's because her daughter is a pine rider, that's why she's the on here, angry [lacrosse] is not a good look😜

Definitely not my daughter. It's simply my opinion, we're all entitled to them. The poster thinks she's the top 2020 kid, I don't. I guess if your opinion differs from someone else's then it's wrong! In the end It really doesn't matter what either one of us thinks.

Or do you think it's yours?

Let's be honest , kids commit to SB mainly because they don't have many other options . I am not saying these kids are not good players but Spalina seems to see talent where many other coaches do not and he is usually correct.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's be honest , kids commit to SB mainly because they don't have many other options . I am not saying these kids are not good players but Spalina seems to see talent where many other coaches do not and he is usually correct.

STOP....Are you serious or just stirring the pot. SBU cost is 20K. If you get 10K for athletic/academics you have a 10K yearly bill. They are ranked top 10-20 in lax. Its a good academic school. The schools is close so going to games is easy. If daughter has tough week at school she can come home for a visit in 30 min. CAA schools 50-60K. Private colleges/universities 50-60K. You get some break going south to some colleges to maybe 45-50K. It is a no doubt best buy when it comes to the financial commitment for college.

Who's the top kid......your daughter?
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The very top kids left that team over the last couple of years. The best of who stayed is the kid who got hurt last season. Still some solid players there, but a very different team than it used to be. My opinion and, no I do not have a kid on that team and my daughter was not one of the top kids who left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's be honest , kids commit to SB mainly because they don't have many other options . I am not saying these kids are not good players but Spalina seems to see talent where many other coaches do not and he is usually correct.

STOP....Are you serious or just stirring the pot. SBU cost is 20K. If you get 10K for athletic/academics you have a 10K yearly bill. They are ranked top 10-20 in lax. Its a good academic school. The schools is close so going to games is easy. If daughter has tough week at school she can come home for a visit in 30 min. CAA schools 50-60K. Private colleges/universities 50-60K. You get some break going south to some colleges to maybe 45-50K. It is a no doubt best buy when it comes to the financial commitment for college.

That's exactly my point , the more sought after players on Long Island have more options thru scholarships etc and rarely choose to stay home . Not saying I agree with other colleges opinions of who the top recruits are but in general he kids committing to Stony Brook have not been strongly recruited by other top programs .Whats the highest ranked recruit they have gotten since Spallina has been there . Again not saying I agree with those rankings but they do indicate a level of interest those players have received .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]In a rush to get their latest commit on the TG website, they listed the 2020 girls name wrong. Could it be because she chose the directors rival school on long Island?

Yes.....its a large conspiracy...WikiLeaks will be doing a email dump on this. Or maybe...???? it was just a mistake. Bye troll

On a side note ,does it seem that at the younger ages SB is getting the better TG recruits compared with Hofstra. That does not bode well for SS when she cannot get the better players from her own club that want to stay on LI. If that is the case where is Hofstra going to get their future players from ?

Is that your opinion or do you have facts to back that up. Only the facts on BOTC

More educated opinion than fact , not sure you can say that any program gets the better recruits over another as being factual . Again knowing the 2020 and 2019 age groups at TG it just seems to be the case. SB got the top 2 TG 2019 players and the top 2020 TG player , just saying.lol those two are not the top 2019 girls

2 of the top 2019 players yes and the 2020 player is not the top kid. A good player yes but not the top. Good luck to all the girls wherever they land.

Great payday on Saturday. 2023 team looking good.

[quote=Anonymous]Great payday on Saturday. 2023 team looking good.

2022 not so much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Great payday on Saturday. 2023 team looking good.

2022 not so much.

Yep!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Great payday on Saturday. 2023 team looking good.

2022 not so much.

Yep!

2021 and 2023 very strong

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Great payday on Saturday. 2023 team looking good.

2022 not so much.

Yep!

2021 and 2023 very strong

Hofstra will be in great shape when they get there or was that the last 6 classes that were recruited?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Great payday on Saturday. 2023 team looking good.

2022 not so much.

Yep!

2021 and 2023 very strong

2023 is good, 2021 has been gutted, all good players have jumped ship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Great payday on Saturday. 2023 team looking good.

2022 not so much.

Yep!

2021 and 2023 very strong

Hofstra will be in great shape when they get there or was that the last 6 classes that were recruited?

The top girls in those classes will not be going to Hofstra, but if it makes you feel better, maybe there will be a spot there for your B team YJ daughter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Great payday on Saturday. 2023 team looking good.

2022 not so much.

Yep!

2021 and 2023 very strong

Hofstra will be in great shape when they get there or was that the last 6 classes that were recruited?

The top girls in those classes will not be going to Hofstra, but if it makes you feel better, maybe there will be a spot there for your B team YJ daughter.

Are you saying that none of the top girls in older TG years have gone on to Hofstra or just that your group is special . Does anyone know what impact the new recruiting rules will have on a situation like TG where a clubs best coach and director are a college coach . Will she no longer be able to have contact with the majority of her own players ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Great payday on Saturday. 2023 team looking good.

2022 not so much.

Yep!

2021 and 2023 very strong

2023 is good, 2021 has been gutted, all good players have jumped ship.

Gutted? 2021 only lost a good goalie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Great payday on Saturday. 2023 team looking good.

2022 not so much.

Yep!

2021 and 2023 very strong

2023 is good, 2021 has been gutted, all good players have jumped ship.

Gutted? 2021 only lost a good goalie.

They lost more than a goalie, a few girls. Lost their top scorer as well. Everyone else is average, may even get beat by your own purple this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Great payday on Saturday. 2023 team looking good.

2022 not so much.

Yep!

2021 and 2023 very strong

2023 is good, 2021 has been gutted, all good players have jumped ship.

Gutted? 2021 only lost a good goalie.

They lost more than a goalie, a few girls. Lost their top scorer as well. Everyone else is average, may even get beat by your own purple this year.

They lost their best offensive player a couple of years ago she went to YJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Great payday on Saturday. 2023 team looking good.

2022 not so much.

Yep!

2021 and 2023 very strong

2023 is good, 2021 has been gutted, all good players have jumped ship.

Gutted? 2021 only lost a good goalie.

They lost more than a goalie, a few girls. Lost their top scorer as well. Everyone else is average, may even get beat by your own purple this year.

They lost their best offensive player a couple of years ago she went to YJ.

The three best players that they had, among the very best at their positions in the age group, have left over the last couple years. All ended up in the same place. Whatever, to each their own. Find a spot where players and parents are happy, and live with it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Great payday on Saturday. 2023 team looking good.

2022 not so much.

Yep!

2021 and 2023 very strong

2023 is good, 2021 has been gutted, all good players have jumped ship.

Gutted? 2021 only lost a good goalie.

They lost more than a goalie, a few girls. Lost their top scorer as well. Everyone else is average, may even get beat by your own purple this year.

They lost their best offensive player a couple of years ago she went to YJ.

Thanks for the update mom, your daughter was not then and is not now the "best" offensive player. Funny how you left, but still can't stay off the TG forum bragging about your daughter any chance you get. #everyonesreplaceable

Ha. The troll is back. Some girls leave.......who cares. See ya. Don't cry when they play your daughters team and whips them. Oh yea.....after your daughter was cut where did she end up. Or more likely she was cut because of you and your big, uninformed, complaining mouth. Have a great day.

Gutted? 2021 only lost a good goalie.
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They lost more than a goalie, a few girls. Lost their top scorer as well. Everyone else is average, may even get beat by your own purple this year.

They lost their best offensive player a couple of years ago she went to YJ.
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The three best players that they had, among the very best at their positions in the age group, have left over the last couple years. All ended up in the same place. Whatever, to each their own. Find a spot where players and parents are happy, and live with it. [/quote]

What I really don't understand is that all we ever here is the best went to YJA yet they are a good team but not great? Maybe this is just a down year? Again this year it looks like they got a strong goalie but other than that they really didn't pick up a much. Looks like a bunch of small girls when they really need some players to hang with the MD teams. There are better players on YJB and these two teams will be closely matched this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gutted? 2021 only lost a good goalie.

They lost more than a goalie, a few girls. Lost their top scorer as well. Everyone else is average, may even get beat by your own purple this year.

They lost their best offensive player a couple of years ago she went to YJ.
[/quote]

The three best players that they had, among the very best at their positions in the age group, have left over the last couple years. All ended up in the same place. Whatever, to each their own. Find a spot where players and parents are happy, and live with it. [/quote]

What I really don't understand is that all we ever here is the best went to YJA yet they are a good team but not great? Maybe this is just a down year? Again this year it looks like they got a strong goalie but other than that they really didn't pick up a much. Looks like a bunch of small girls when they really need some players to hang with the MD teams. There are better players on YJB and these two teams will be closely matched this summer.
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I would put my money on YJ Bert over TG black.

Oh yea the TG purple kid Bert picked up is gonna make the difference. Hhahaha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gutted? 2021 only lost a good goalie.

They lost more than a goalie, a few girls. Lost their top scorer as well. Everyone else is average, may even get beat by your own purple this year.

They lost their best offensive player a couple of years ago she went to YJ.
[/quote]

The three best players that they had, among the very best at their positions in the age group, have left over the last couple years. All ended up in the same place. Whatever, to each their own. Find a spot where players and parents are happy, and live with it. [/quote]

What I really don't understand is that all we ever here is the best went to YJA yet they are a good team but not great? Maybe this is just a down year? Again this year it looks like they got a strong goalie but other than that they really didn't pick up a much. Looks like a bunch of small girls when they really need some players to hang with the MD teams. There are better players on YJB and these two teams will be closely matched this summer.
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Never ends, parent of "taller and bigger" defender who never makes YJ top team is back at it.

Actually you are the troll who is back at it. You never miss an opportunity to comment on the TG thread. Your daughter was irrelevant and not not missed. Go be a cheerleader for your new team, otherwise TG tryouts are in August. So embarrassing for you!
#Obsessed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Great payday on Saturday. 2023 team looking good.

2022 not so much.

Yep!

2021 and 2023 very strong

2023 is good, 2021 has been gutted, all good players have jumped ship.

Gutted? 2021 only lost a good goalie.

They lost more than a goalie, a few girls. Lost their top scorer as well. Everyone else is average, may even get beat by your own purple this year.

They lost their best offensive player a couple of years ago she went to YJ.

The three best players that they had, among the very best at their positions in the age group, have left over the last couple years. All ended up in the same place. Whatever, to each their own. Find a spot where players and parents are happy, and live with it.

Nobody cares. Go complain to CR while playing on the D team. I think the color is green.

Obviously you care. Green will always beat Black and Purple

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Obviously you care. Green will always beat Black and Purple

You're funny, delusional YJ follower. Grass isn't always greener!

Hey Look at all the former topguns in the final 4 of womens college lacrosse. Congrats to Topguns for producing such excellent atheletes,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Look at all the former topguns in the final 4 of womens college lacrosse. Congrats to Topguns for producing such excellent atheletes,

TG doesn't produce anything, the players would have thrived anywhere, the amount of "coaching" that goes on at TG is minimal at best

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Look at all the former topguns in the final 4 of womens college lacrosse. Congrats to Topguns for producing such excellent atheletes,

TG doesn't produce anything, the players would have thrived anywhere, the amount of "coaching" that goes on at TG is minimal at best

Which you could say about any club. Please.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Look at all the former topguns in the final 4 of womens college lacrosse. Congrats to Topguns for producing such excellent atheletes,

Kenzie Kent played for Top Guns?? Someone please explain that one???? Is that a stretch? She played her club ball for Mass Elite, how can they say she played with TG. Bill S is full of BS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Look at all the former topguns in the final 4 of womens college lacrosse. Congrats to Topguns for producing such excellent atheletes,

Kenzie Kent played for Top Guns?? Someone please explain that one???? Is that a stretch? She played her club ball for Mass Elite, how can they say she played with TG. Bill S is full of BS

where does it say she played for TG?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Look at all the former topguns in the final 4 of womens college lacrosse. Congrats to Topguns for producing such excellent atheletes,

Kenzie Kent played for Top Guns?? Someone please explain that one???? Is that a stretch? She played her club ball for Mass Elite, how can they say she played with TG. Bill S is full of BS

where does it say she played for TG?

who said that? nobody. final four is what was written

That's really nice to hear about the TG players representing at the FF4. How many were there? I'm curious about which club had the next most players representing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Look at all the former topguns in the final 4 of womens college lacrosse. Congrats to Topguns for producing such excellent atheletes,

Kenzie Kent played for Top Guns?? Someone please explain that one???? Is that a stretch? She played her club ball for Mass Elite, how can they say she played with TG. Bill S is full of BS

where does it say she played for TG?

who said that? nobody. final four is what was written

It says (from the first page of the Top Gun Website website) Clearly trying to cash in on their fame:

"Good Luck to the 8 former Long Island Top Guns players

participating in the Final Four this weekend!!

Samantha Apuzzo - Boston College

Lauren Daly - Boston College

Allie Dolder - Penn State

Kaileen Hart - Boston College

Kenzie Kent - Boston College

Kristin Roberto - Penn State

Carley Seekamp - Navy

Nikki Sliwak - Maryland"

How many of these girls are lies??? ... At least one is Kenzie Kent never played for Top Guns. She played for Mass Elite.. Lying Bill Smith....

All of these names are accurate. Kenzie Kent did play for Top Guns 2014 one year along with Shelby Fredericks and Kaileen Hart. It was the first year of Top Guns and that teams was instantly a very competitive team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of these names are accurate. Kenzie Kent did play for Top Guns 2014 one year along with Shelby Fredericks and Kaileen Hart. It was the first year of Top Guns and that teams was instantly a very competitive team.

So girls who left Top Guns for YJ after playing one or two years for TG when they were 11-12 years old can expect Bill Smith to exploit their names for financial gains when they get older. Several of their top players had left for YJ and are committed to teams that will most likely make national championship runs recently. He should only post names of girls whom went entirely through his program (at least on the back end HS years). The Seekamp girl is questionable about the how much time she spent with TG too. But the Smith's are about the $$ and will use whoevers name they can to justify that means.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Look at all the former topguns in the final 4 of womens college lacrosse. Congrats to Topguns for producing such excellent atheletes,

Kenzie Kent played for Top Guns?? Someone please explain that one???? Is that a stretch? She played her club ball for Mass Elite, how can they say she played with TG. Bill S is full of BS

where does it say she played for TG?

who said that? nobody. final four is what was written

It says (from the first page of the Top Gun Website website) Clearly trying to cash in on their fame:

"Good Luck to the 8 former Long Island Top Guns players

participating in the Final Four this weekend!!

Samantha Apuzzo - Boston College

Lauren Daly - Boston College

Allie Dolder - Penn State

Kaileen Hart - Boston College

Kenzie Kent - Boston College

Kristin Roberto - Penn State

Carley Seekamp - Navy

Nikki Sliwak - Maryland"

How many of these girls are lies??? ... At least one is Kenzie Kent never played for Top Guns. She played for Mass Elite.. Lying Bill Smith....

Just like the YJ. Anyone who played for YJ *ever* and went on to play in college is listed -- even if they play another sport in college.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of these names are accurate. Kenzie Kent did play for Top Guns 2014 one year along with Shelby Fredericks and Kaileen Hart. It was the first year of Top Guns and that teams was instantly a very competitive team.

So girls who left Top Guns for YJ after playing one or two years for TG when they were 11-12 years old can expect Bill Smith to exploit their names for financial gains when they get older. Several of their top players had left for YJ and are committed to teams that will most likely make national championship runs recently. He should only post names of girls whom went entirely through his program (at least on the back end HS years). The Seekamp girl is questionable about the how much time she spent with TG too. But the Smith's are about the $$ and will use whoevers name they can to justify that means.

Why do you care about this so much? Who gives a crap! You must be really bored, or just a jackass...maybe both?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of these names are accurate. Kenzie Kent did play for Top Guns 2014 one year along with Shelby Fredericks and Kaileen Hart. It was the first year of Top Guns and that teams was instantly a very competitive team.

So girls who left Top Guns for YJ after playing one or two years for TG when they were 11-12 years old can expect Bill Smith to exploit their names for financial gains when they get older. Several of their top players had left for YJ and are committed to teams that will most likely make national championship runs recently. He should only post names of girls whom went entirely through his program (at least on the back end HS years). The Seekamp girl is questionable about the how much time she spent with TG too. But the Smith's are about the $$ and will use whoevers name they can to justify that means.

Why do you care about this so much? Who gives a crap! You must be really bored, or just a jackass...maybe both?

Doesn't YJ have a 2020 commit listed who barely played for one season and she lives in Florida. And a 2021 that just went to YJ after being with TG for years. CR listed her as well. She hasn't played a summer season with YJ yet. They all do it. Give it a rest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of these names are accurate. Kenzie Kent did play for Top Guns 2014 one year along with Shelby Fredericks and Kaileen Hart. It was the first year of Top Guns and that teams was instantly a very competitive team.

So girls who left Top Guns for YJ after playing one or two years for TG when they were 11-12 years old can expect Bill Smith to exploit their names for financial gains when they get older. Several of their top players had left for YJ and are committed to teams that will most likely make national championship runs recently. He should only post names of girls whom went entirely through his program (at least on the back end HS years). The Seekamp girl is questionable about the how much time she spent with TG too. But the Smith's are about the $$ and will use whoevers name they can to justify that means.

And CR Doesn't do the same ? They all do.

Cr has a 2020 commit listed who lives in fla and plays for salt city snipers lol. First 2020 to commit and caused headlines. She claimed her right up

Why during tournament season is TG only going once a week? can someone explain???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why during tournament season is TG only going once a week? can someone explain???

They go twice a week during tournament season. Move Sunday practice to a day during the week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why during tournament season is TG only going once a week? can someone explain???

how much more do you want?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why during tournament season is TG only going once a week? can someone explain???

They go twice a week and why do you concern yourself

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why during tournament season is TG only going once a week? can someone explain???

Because that's all you paid for, I'm sure if you throw more money at them they will give you another practice

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why during tournament season is TG only going once a week? can someone explain???

Perhaps because they are playing two other days a week?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why during tournament season is TG only going once a week? can someone explain???

Your coach or director probably can. Why ask here?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why during tournament season is TG only going once a week? can someone explain???

Hey troll......back again.

he/ she is a coward . afraid to ask coach directly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

he/ she is a coward . afraid to ask coach directly.

Yeah and, many are and dont like to rock the boat. Call it coward or call it smart. either way do you know?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why during tournament season is TG only going once a week? can someone explain???

Why are you asking on here. Make a phone call and find out.

called sack...get one

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why during tournament season is TG only going once a week? can someone explain???

Why are you asking on here. Make a phone call and find out.

Because it is about money. Andrew and shannon have both been hired for extra practices in the past. Ask them what day is good, how much, then ask parents who is in on that day, divide by number of people and book it. Warning, some people will not be able to make it, some will feel slighted and basically hate you for it, others will appreciate it and thank you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why during tournament season is TG only going once a week? can someone explain???

Why are you asking on here. Make a phone call and find out.

Because it is about money. Andrew and shannon have both been hired for extra practices in the past. Ask them what day is good, how much, then ask parents who is in on that day, divide by number of people and book it. Warning, some people will not be able to make it, some will feel slighted and basically hate you for it, others will appreciate it and thank you.

they have 20 minutes every weekend and girls have other obligations during the summer some play some soccer someplace Summerfield hockey so I'm go to campus for a couple of days during the week. It's also finals and regents week and you also have the prom.so one practice is pretty sufficient

That was not even English but I understood your point 😂

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why during tournament season is TG only going once a week? can someone explain???

Why are you asking on here. Make a phone call and find out.

Because it is about money. Andrew and shannon have both been hired for extra practices in the past. Ask them what day is good, how much, then ask parents who is in on that day, divide by number of people and book it. Warning, some people will not be able to make it, some will feel slighted and basically hate you for it, others will appreciate it and thank you.

And CR is any different? People get paid for their time, it's called life. Why do you have a problem with that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why during tournament season is TG only going once a week? can someone explain???

Why are you asking on here. Make a phone call and find out.

Because it is about money. Andrew and shannon have both been hired for extra practices in the past. Ask them what day is good, how much, then ask parents who is in on that day, divide by number of people and book it. Warning, some people will not be able to make it, some will feel slighted and basically hate you for it, others will appreciate it and thank you.

The chosen ones are already getting extra practices in small groups and have been for some time, if you weren't invited then you now know what their opinion of your kid is

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why during tournament season is TG only going once a week? can someone explain???

Why are you asking on here. Make a phone call and find out.

Because it is about money. Andrew and shannon have both been hired for extra practices in the past. Ask them what day is good, how much, then ask parents who is in on that day, divide by number of people and book it. Warning, some people will not be able to make it, some will feel slighted and basically hate you for it, others will appreciate it and thank you.

And CR is any different? People get paid for their time, it's called life. Why do you have a problem with that?

Where does it say I have a problem with that you dumb [lacrosse]? This is also coming from first hand experience with TG and these teams and coaches, why do you make it about CR? You have issues, try to relax!

I think this whole debate is comical . My kid plays YJ and if they actually have any practice during the week that's a lot .

every club is different but practice time has been minimal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

every club is different but practice time has been minimal

You can't call what TG does practice. The girls have a catch for 20 minutes and then it's run their isolation play. Defense is never practiced. Draws are never practiced. Clears and transition are never practiced. Teaching the girls to pass to the open girl is never practiced. College girls spend half their time on their phones. Another mass exodus is coming from what's left of 2021 and 2020 after SS shredded them without their parents present

Originally Posted by Anonymous

every club is different but practice time has been minimal

You can't call what TG does practice. The girls have a catch for 20 minutes and then it's run their isolation play. Defense is never practiced. Draws are never practiced. Clears and transition are never practiced. Teaching the girls to pass to the open girl is never practiced. College girls spend half their time on their phones. Another mass exodus is coming from what's left of 2021 and 2020 after SS shredded them without their parents present

not even close, perhaps you need to pay attention and not be so bent that your kid got in trouble for not playing well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

every club is different but practice time has been minimal

You can't call what TG does practice. The girls have a catch for 20 minutes and then it's run their isolation play. Defense is never practiced. Draws are never practiced. Clears and transition are never practiced. Teaching the girls to pass to the open girl is never practiced. College girls spend half their time on their phones. Another mass exodus is coming from what's left of 2021 and 2020 after SS shredded them without their parents present

not even close, perhaps you need to pay attention and not be so bent that your kid got in trouble for not playing well.

Would it be acceptable if your daughter failed a test and the teacher told her she was a disgrace to the entire school? Absolutely not. So why is it OK for the program director, who has put ZERO effort into helping the 2020 purple team, to blast them over fundamentals that she has never taught in her program? She can not speak to 13 year old girls as if they were her college team. Instead of shredding them, how about teaching them what they should be doing correctly. She would be lucky to name 5 girls on that team. That team is a reflection of your travel brand. Keep hiring college girls just looking for something to do over the summer and not real coaches to help your program along. The gap between YJ and TG is widening every day

Originally Posted by Anonymous

every club is different but practice time has been minimal

You can't call what TG does practice. The girls have a catch for 20 minutes and then it's run their isolation play. Defense is never practiced. Draws are never practiced. Clears and transition are never practiced. Teaching the girls to pass to the open girl is never practiced. College girls spend half their time on their phones. Another mass exodus is coming from what's left of 2021 and 2020 after SS shredded them without their parents present

not even close, perhaps you need to pay attention and not be so bent that your kid got in trouble for not playing well.

Would it be acceptable if your daughter failed a test and the teacher told her she was a disgrace to the entire school? Absolutely not. So why is it OK for the program director, who has put ZERO effort into helping the 2020 purple team, to blast them over fundamentals that she has never taught in her program? She can not speak to 13 year old girls as if they were her college team. Instead of shredding them, how about teaching them what they should be doing correctly. She would be lucky to name 5 girls on that team. That team is a reflection of your travel brand. Keep hiring college girls just looking for something to do over the summer and not real coaches to help your program along. The gap between YJ and TG is widening every day

So let me get this right. 2020 girls are old enough to be recruited but when they get chewed out for not playing hard they are "13 year old girls" . That's funny

Originally Posted by Anonymous

every club is different but practice time has been minimal

You can't call what TG does practice. The girls have a catch for 20 minutes and then it's run their isolation play. Defense is never practiced. Draws are never practiced. Clears and transition are never practiced. Teaching the girls to pass to the open girl is never practiced. College girls spend half their time on their phones. Another mass exodus is coming from what's left of 2021 and 2020 after SS shredded them without their parents present

not even close, perhaps you need to pay attention and not be so bent that your kid got in trouble for not playing well.

Would it be acceptable if your daughter failed a test and the teacher told her she was a disgrace to the entire school? Absolutely not. So why is it OK for the program director, who has put ZERO effort into helping the 2020 purple team, to blast them over fundamentals that she has never taught in her program? She can not speak to 13 year old girls as if they were her college team. Instead of shredding them, how about teaching them what they should be doing correctly. She would be lucky to name 5 girls on that team. That team is a reflection of your travel brand. Keep hiring college girls just looking for something to do over the summer and not real coaches to help your program along. The gap between YJ and TG is widening every day

Wait?? You are trashing TG for hiring college players as coaches?? I agree that college players have absolutly no business being head coches. Ironically, that is the exact reason we left YJ. They put college girls in charge of youg girls and it ws an absolute crapshow! We left and got some real coaching. Now my daughter runs circles around the girls on that team. And to think we paid for that???

My daughter is 2020 purple and she is 15. And happy

Welcome to club lacrosse folks! It's expected your kids come in with good fundamentals ! If not better adapt have them make friends ... basketball helps, soccer helps but unless these root skills are not learned early and reinforced it's a crapshoot with any program!!

at this level they s
hould have a firm grip on fundamentals .that should be done at home . the club

doesn't have time for that. they need to work on plays and game situations.

HOW DID THE 2019 TOP GUNS DO THIS WEEKEND?
ANY REALLY GOOD PLAYERS?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

at this level they s
hould have a firm grip on fundamentals .that should be done at home . the club

doesn't have time for that. they need to work on plays and game situations.

That is absolutely incorrect. The best thing clubs and any program can do is constantly work on fundamentals. You probably don't realize that Maryland devotes a large part of their practice EVERY day to stickwork. Glad u don't run my kid's team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOW DID THE 2019 TOP GUNS DO THIS WEEKEND?
ANY REALLY GOOD PLAYERS?

TOO MANY TO LIST

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOW DID THE 2019 TOP GUNS DO THIS WEEKEND?
ANY REALLY GOOD PLAYERS?

TOO MANY TO LIST
But you could for fun. Watched them okay this wknd at mid Atlantic. Black solid team. Some selfish decisions at times

how's the purple team in comparison to black? hear they are very good.

I did watch SS coach her butt off for 18 black against 18 purple yesterday. Beat them 5-3. Doesn't have the decency to say good game to her own team

SO BLACK AND PURPLE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED VIRTUALLY THE SAME. IN 2018, AND 2019

no

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how's the purple team in comparison to black? hear they are very good.

2019 purple not even remotely close to black

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SO BLACK AND PURPLE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED VIRTUALLY THE SAME. IN 2018, AND 2019

Uhhh no

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SO BLACK AND PURPLE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED VIRTUALLY THE SAME. IN 2018, AND 2019

Yes, SS likes to balance out the teams, this way she has two good teams.

Hold on let me think about this for a second....ummmm no

Black plays in more talented brackets/divisions than purple so you cannot compare based on records in tournaments. Purple plays weaker teams so slightly above average players will stand out against weaker competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Black plays in more talented brackets/divisions than purple so you cannot compare based on records in tournaments. Purple plays weaker teams so slightly above average players will stand out against weaker competition.

Teams are even, now lets move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Black plays in more talented brackets/divisions than purple so you cannot compare based on records in tournaments. Purple plays weaker teams so slightly above average players will stand out against weaker competition.

Teams are even, now lets move on

If that makes you feel better and sleep at night....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Black plays in more talented brackets/divisions than purple so you cannot compare based on records in tournaments. Purple plays weaker teams so slightly above average players will stand out against weaker competition.

Teams are even, now lets move on

Teams are definitely not even.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Black plays in more talented brackets/divisions than purple so you cannot compare based on records in tournaments. Purple plays weaker teams so slightly above average players will stand out against weaker competition.

Teams are even, now lets move on

Teams are definitely not even.

Black has a much better record than purple even in purples watered down divisions

do they scrimmage one another?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

do they scrimmage one another?

They'll probably face each other this weekend at teh Hofstra tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

do they scrimmage one another?

They'll probably face each other this weekend at teh Hofstra tournament.

Purple wins by 3...Purple is the top team right?

yes , at least in 2019. but not by much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yes , at least in 2019. but not by much.

2019 purple will not beat 2019 black. Say what you want but it just won't happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

do they scrimmage one another?

They'll probably face each other this weekend at teh Hofstra tournament.

Purple wins by 3...Purple is the top team right?

Well......the troll is back. After playing all summer on your c team your back here. Go away. You are old fake news.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yes , at least in 2019. but not by much.

2019 purple will not beat 2019 black. Say what you want but it just won't happen.

If they play it will be at least a 6 goal margin with black winning. Teams are not even close

PURPLE DEFENSE IS VERY STRONG NO WAY THEY GET A BEATING LIKE THAT

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PURPLE DEFENSE IS VERY STRONG NO WAY THEY GET A BEATING LIKE THAT

Why are you always yelling?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PURPLE DEFENSE IS VERY STRONG NO WAY THEY GET A BEATING LIKE THAT

They met two years ago and it was a beat down

Only age group that might purple might beat black is 2021

[quote=Anonymous]Only age group that might purple might beat black is 2021[/quote

Not likely, but will they will probably face each other today and we'll know for sure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Only age group that might purple might beat black is 2021[/quote

Not likely, but will they will probably face each other today and we'll know for sure.

Purple has way more athleticism and size. Expect a roster shakeup between the two. Black was not able to recover and replace the better girls that left. There will be purple girls who deservingly will be pulled up.

2018's not allowed to play each other? TM says 0-0 tie.

And who is TG (no color) who won 2019's?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018's not allowed to play each other? TM says 0-0 tie.

And who is TG (no color) who won 2019's?top gun no color is 2020 black. Don't know why they took 2020 away. Poor game. Twice 2020 had too many on field. No calls. Then 2019 attempts a btb while losing. Selfish and stupid. Shannon coached to win while Andrew left kids in game and better players on sideline. Blames his players as usual

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018's not allowed to play each other? TM says 0-0 tie.

And who is TG (no color) who won 2019's?

That is the 2020 black team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018's not allowed to play each other? TM says 0-0 tie.

And who is TG (no color) who won 2019's?

Didn't have enough players so purple had to forfeit

2019 coach allows selfish play for some but not others. It's a shame because when they play like a team they are unstoppable

Idk what the Hangul is on 2020 vs 2019. Most girls play together on varsity and both teams very skilled. Each took a win from the other this wknd. Great lacrosse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Idk what the Hangul is on 2020 vs 2019. Most girls play together on varsity and both teams very skilled. Each took a win from the other this wknd. Great lacrosse

Sorry that's embarrassing for your 2019 top team losing to a mediocre 2020 team missing its best player .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Idk what the Hangul is on 2020 vs 2019. Most girls play together on varsity and both teams very skilled. Each took a win from the other this wknd. Great lacrosse

Sorry that's embarrassing for your 2019 top team losing to a mediocre 2020 team missing its best player .

pot stirrer. 2019 was missing 6 sorry you're team relies on one

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Idk what the Hangul is on 2020 vs 2019. Most girls play together on varsity and both teams very skilled. Each took a win from the other this wknd. Great lacrosse

Sorry that's embarrassing for your 2019 top team losing to a mediocre 2020 team missing its best player .

Obviously not a 2020 parent who would crap on their own team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Idk what the Hangul is on 2020 vs 2019. Most girls play together on varsity and both teams very skilled. Each took a win from the other this wknd. Great lacrosse

Sorry that's embarrassing for your 2019 top team losing to a mediocre 2020 team missing its best player .

Obviously not a 2020 parent who would crap on their own team

Never said I was a 2020 parent . The 2020 team barely beat the wave team and title 9, they are C level clubs so essentially it puts your 2019 black team at that level . That's not a good showing and the missing player excuse is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Idk what the Hangul is on 2020 vs 2019. Most girls play together on varsity and both teams very skilled. Each took a win from the other this wknd. Great lacrosse

Sorry that's embarrassing for your 2019 top team losing to a mediocre 2020 team missing its best player .

Obviously not a 2020 parent who would crap on their own team

Never said I was a 2020 parent . The 2020 team barely beat the wave team and title 9, they are C level clubs so essentially it puts your 2019 black team at that level . That's not a good showing and the missing player excuse is ridiculous.

yea ok. Check the competition season and then get back to me loser. And did you ever think maybe Shannon didn't beat up on the wave on purpose

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Idk what the Hangul is on 2020 vs 2019. Most girls play together on varsity and both teams very skilled. Each took a win from the other this wknd. Great lacrosse

Sorry that's embarrassing for your 2019 top team losing to a mediocre 2020 team missing its best player .

Obviously not a 2020 parent who would crap on their own team

Never said I was a 2020 parent . The 2020 team barely beat the wave team and title 9, they are C level clubs so essentially it puts your 2019 black team at that level . That's not a good showing and the missing player excuse is ridiculous.

Must be a 2019 purple disgruntled parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Idk what the Hangul is on 2020 vs 2019. Most girls play together on varsity and both teams very skilled. Each took a win from the other this wknd. Great lacrosse

Sorry that's embarrassing for your 2019 top team losing to a mediocre 2020 team missing its best player .

Obviously not a 2020 parent who would crap on their own team

Never said I was a 2020 parent . The 2020 team barely beat the wave team and title 9, they are C level clubs so essentially it puts your 2019 black team at that level . That's not a good showing and the missing player excuse is ridiculous.

yea ok. Check the competition season and then get back to me loser. And did you ever think maybe Shannon didn't beat up on the wave on purpose

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Idk what the Hangul is on 2020 vs 2019. Most girls play together on varsity and both teams very skilled. Each took a win from the other this wknd. Great lacrosse

Sorry that's embarrassing for your 2019 top team losing to a mediocre 2020 team missing its best player .

Obviously not a 2020 parent who would crap on their own team

Never said I was a 2020 parent . The 2020 team barely beat the wave team and title 9, they are C level clubs so essentially it puts your 2019 black team at that level . That's not a good showing and the missing player excuse is ridiculous.

yea ok. Check the competition season and then get back to me loser. And did you ever think maybe Shannon didn't beat up on the wave on purpose

Competition season checked both the 2019 , 2020 teams were solidly average . Did not beat them up on purpose but instead barely beat them , yeah that sounds like Shannon. Maybe she should have had them take it easy on her 2019 team also . That's embarrassing .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Idk what the Hangul is on 2020 vs 2019. Most girls play together on varsity and both teams very skilled. Each took a win from the other this wknd. Great lacrosse

Sorry that's embarrassing for your 2019 top team losing to a mediocre 2020 team missing its best player .

Obviously not a 2020 parent who would crap on their own team

Never said I was a 2020 parent . The 2020 team barely beat the wave team and title 9, they are C level clubs so essentially it puts your 2019 black team at that level . That's not a good showing and the missing player excuse is ridiculous.

West Hampton is back

Westhampton (One word)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Idk what the Hangul is on 2020 vs 2019. Most girls play together on varsity and both teams very skilled. Each took a win from the other this wknd. Great lacrosse

Sorry that's embarrassing for your 2019 top team losing to a mediocre 2020 team missing its best player .

Obviously not a 2020 parent who would crap on their own team

Never said I was a 2020 parent . The 2020 team barely beat the wave team and title 9, they are C level clubs so essentially it puts your 2019 black team at that level . That's not a good showing and the missing player excuse is ridiculous.

yea ok. Check the competition season and then get back to me loser. And did you ever think maybe Shannon didn't beat up on the wave on purpose

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Idk what the Hangul is on 2020 vs 2019. Most girls play together on varsity and both teams very skilled. Each took a win from the other this wknd. Great lacrosse

Sorry that's embarrassing for your 2019 top team losing to a mediocre 2020 team missing its best player .

Obviously not a 2020 parent who would crap on their own team

Never said I was a 2020 parent . The 2020 team barely beat the wave team and title 9, they are C level clubs so essentially it puts your 2019 black team at that level . That's not a good showing and the missing player excuse is ridiculous.

yea ok. Check the competition season and then get back to me loser. And did you ever think maybe Shannon didn't beat up on the wave on purpose

Competition season checked both the 2019 , 2020 teams were solidly average . Did not beat them up on purpose but instead barely beat them , yeah that sounds like Shannon. Maybe she should have had them take it easy on her 2019 team also . That's embarrassing .

The only games all weekend that SS coached were against 2019 black

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018's not allowed to play each other? TM says 0-0 tie.

And who is TG (no color) who won 2019's?

2018 purple played all their games on Saturday with black players filling out their team. They played Legacy lax with 10 girls in the last game. Eliminated from playoff contention so their was no reason to show up for a scrimmage with not enough players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Westhampton (One word)

Deliberately spelled wrong

TG team is the2020 group

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Idk what the Hangul is on 2020 vs 2019. Most girls play together on varsity and both teams very skilled. Each took a win from the other this wknd. Great lacrosse

Sorry that's embarrassing for your 2019 top team losing to a mediocre 2020 team missing its best player .

Obviously not a 2020 parent who would crap on their own team

Never said I was a 2020 parent . The 2020 team barely beat the wave team and title 9, they are C level clubs so essentially it puts your 2019 black team at that level . That's not a good showing and the missing player excuse is ridiculous.

West Hampton is back

Carnac says" what's in your wife" ?
How does misspelling it make it funny ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Only age group that might purple might beat black is 2021[/quote

Not likely, but will they will probably face each other today and we'll know for sure.

Purple has way more athleticism and size. Expect a roster shakeup between the two. Black was not able to recover and replace the better girls that left. There will be purple girls who deservingly will be pulled up.

"Way more" is an exaggeration. There are always girls who should be pulled up, as it should be. Black recovered just fine, the only player who is missed is the goalie. She was replaced by 2 goalies and 1 is considerably weaker than the other. Only 2 of the girls that left went to YJ A and the rest were easily replaced. Not sure what makes you the authority on this subject, especially since you sound like a purple parent not black. Purple and Black didn't play each other but Black beat the team (score 5-2) who took Purple out of the tournament (score 6-5).

I heard black only beat them by 1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard black only beat them by 1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Only age group that might purple might beat black is 2021[/quote

Not likely, but will they will probably face each other today and we'll know for sure.

Purple has way more athleticism and size. Expect a roster shakeup between the two. Black was not able to recover and replace the better girls that left. There will be purple girls who deservingly will be pulled up.

"Way more" is an exaggeration. There are always girls who should be pulled up, as it should be. Black recovered just fine, the only player who is missed is the goalie. She was replaced by 2 goalies and 1 is considerably weaker than the other. Only 2 of the girls that left went to YJ A and the rest were easily replaced. Not sure what makes you the authority on this subject, especially since you sound like a purple parent not black. Purple and Black didn't play each other but Black beat the team (score 5-2) who took Purple out of the tournament (score 6-5).

There are always a few changes. Late additions aren't working out but the team is pretty solid all in all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018's not allowed to play each other? TM says 0-0 tie.

And who is TG (no color) who won 2019's?

2018 purple played all their games on Saturday with black players filling out their team. They played Legacy lax with 10 girls in the last game. Eliminated from playoff contention so their was no reason to show up for a scrimmage with not enough players.

Makes sense except for the tie - why not a forfeit? Or did Black not show up either? Just curious - turns out it didn't, but could have hurt Black in pool standings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018's not allowed to play each other? TM says 0-0 tie.

And who is TG (no color) who won 2019's?

2018 purple played all their games on Saturday with black players filling out their team. They played Legacy lax with 10 girls in the last game. Eliminated from playoff contention so their was no reason to show up for a scrimmage with not enough players.

Makes sense except for the tie - why not a forfeit? Or did Black not show up either? Just curious - turns out it didn't, but could have hurt Black in pool standings.

They did not count any forfeits as losses, instead they counted them all as ties. Beach Bums must have canceled at the last minute because they were given 4 ties. It did not effect any standings. Black was winning this tournament no matter what

Do they have a 2025 team? Did not see them at any tournaments if they did. If, how are they?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018's not allowed to play each other? TM says 0-0 tie.

And who is TG (no color) who won 2019's?

2018 purple played all their games on Saturday with black players filling out their team. They played Legacy lax with 10 girls in the last game. Eliminated from playoff contention so their was no reason to show up for a scrimmage with not enough players.

Makes sense except for the tie - why not a forfeit? Or did Black not show up either? Just curious - turns out it didn't, but could have hurt Black in pool standings.

They did not count any forfeits as losses, instead they counted them all as ties. Beach Bums must have canceled at the last minute because they were given 4 ties. It did not effect any standings. Black was winning this tournament no matter what

Thanks for the info.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard black only beat them by 1

Guess you heard wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2018's not allowed to play each other? TM says 0-0 tie.

And who is TG (no color) who won 2019's?

2018 purple played all their games on Saturday with black players filling out their team. They played Legacy lax with 10 girls in the last game. Eliminated from playoff contention so their was no reason to show up for a scrimmage with not enough players.

Makes sense except for the tie - why not a forfeit? Or did Black not show up either? Just curious - turns out it didn't, but could have hurt Black in pool standings.
[/q

They did not count any forfeits as losses, instead they counted them all as ties. Beach Bums must have canceled at the last minute because they were given 4 ties. It did not effect any standings. Black was winning this tournament no matter what

I hope that you all realize this is not a tournament in any sense of the word, the teams attending would have trouble against decent PAL teams, they can barely fill out two brackets. this is a money grab for TG, its the CR classic double dip local tourney. Believe me the TG players and parents are embarrassed to be hosting/playing in this event and calling it a championship format tourney

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2018's not allowed to play each other? TM says 0-0 tie.

And who is TG (no color) who won 2019's?

2018 purple played all their games on Saturday with black players filling out their team. They played Legacy lax with 10 girls in the last game. Eliminated from playoff contention so their was no reason to show up for a scrimmage with not enough players.

Makes sense except for the tie - why not a forfeit? Or did Black not show up either? Just curious - turns out it didn't, but could have hurt Black in pool standings.
[/q

They did not count any forfeits as losses, instead they counted them all as ties. Beach Bums must have canceled at the last minute because they were given 4 ties. It did not effect any standings. Black was winning this tournament no matter what

I hope that you all realize this is not a tournament in any sense of the word, the teams attending would have trouble against decent PAL teams, they can barely fill out two brackets. this is a money grab for TG, its the CR classic double dip local tourney. Believe me the TG players and parents are embarrassed to be hosting/playing in this event and calling it a championship format tourney

Why? Because YJ teams don't attend? I noticed several YJ girls moonlighting on other teams! It is great to have LI teams playing each other. Many of the teams are not competitive, but a handful are. Many of the away tournaments I've driven to MD for were the same way. The championship games are generally good. Was great for the girls to play on LI!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2018's not allowed to play each other? TM says 0-0 tie.

And who is TG (no color) who won 2019's?

2018 purple played all their games on Saturday with black players filling out their team. They played Legacy lax with 10 girls in the last game. Eliminated from playoff contention so their was no reason to show up for a scrimmage with not enough players.

Makes sense except for the tie - why not a forfeit? Or did Black not show up either? Just curious - turns out it didn't, but could have hurt Black in pool standings.
[/q

They did not count any forfeits as losses, instead they counted them all as ties. Beach Bums must have canceled at the last minute because they were given 4 ties. It did not effect any standings. Black was winning this tournament no matter what

I hope that you all realize this is not a tournament in any sense of the word, the teams attending would have trouble against decent PAL teams, they can barely fill out two brackets. this is a money grab for TG, its the CR classic double dip local tourney. Believe me the TG players and parents are embarrassed to be hosting/playing in this event and calling it a championship format tourney

Why? Because YJ teams don't attend? I noticed several YJ girls moonlighting on other teams! It is great to have LI teams playing each other. Many of the teams are not competitive, but a handful are. Many of the away tournaments I've driven to MD for were the same way. The championship games are generally good. Was great for the girls to play on LI!

Stop, you sound silly or are incredibly delussional

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2018's not allowed to play each other? TM says 0-0 tie.

And who is TG (no color) who won 2019's?

2018 purple played all their games on Saturday with black players filling out their team. They played Legacy lax with 10 girls in the last game. Eliminated from playoff contention so their was no reason to show up for a scrimmage with not enough players.

Makes sense except for the tie - why not a forfeit? Or did Black not show up either? Just curious - turns out it didn't, but could have hurt Black in pool standings.
[/q

They did not count any forfeits as losses, instead they counted them all as ties. Beach Bums must have canceled at the last minute because they were given 4 ties. It did not effect any standings. Black was winning this tournament no matter what

I hope that you all realize this is not a tournament in any sense of the word, the teams attending would have trouble against decent PAL teams, they can barely fill out two brackets. this is a money grab for TG, its the CR classic double dip local tourney. Believe me the TG players and parents are embarrassed to be hosting/playing in this event and calling it a championship format tourney

Why? Because YJ teams don't attend? I noticed several YJ girls moonlighting on other teams! It is great to have LI teams playing each other. Many of the teams are not competitive, but a handful are. Many of the away tournaments I've driven to MD for were the same way. The championship games are generally good. Was great for the girls to play on LI!

Stop, you sound silly or are incredibly delussional

What would be great is if there were any FOOD!!! Not one vendor

Only a fatass would be there for the food. Me, I was there to watch my daughter play lacrosse, and was Damn glad to do it without sitting on the Belt for two hours! The parking and fields were great and convenient. Not sure which age group you have a problem with, but my daughter's 2023 team had some great games. Way better than that farce of a YJ tournament!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only a fatass would be there for the food. Me, I was there to watch my daughter play lacrosse, and was Damn glad to do it without sitting on the Belt for two hours! The parking and fields were great and convenient. Not sure which age group you have a problem with, but my daughter's 2023 team had some great games. Way better than that farce of a YJ tournament!

Yep. Expecting a concession stand at an hours long sporting event only appeals to "fatasses". Get over yourself [lacrosse].

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only a fatass would be there for the food. Me, I was there to watch my daughter play lacrosse, and was Damn glad to do it without sitting on the Belt for two hours! The parking and fields were great and convenient. Not sure which age group you have a problem with, but my daughter's 2023 team had some great games. Way better than that farce of a YJ tournament!

Yep. Expecting a concession stand at an hours long sporting event only appeals to "fatasses". Get over yourself [lacrosse].

McDonalds was a walk away, heard the Big Macs were two for one!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only a fatass would be there for the food. Me, I was there to watch my daughter play lacrosse, and was Damn glad to do it without sitting on the Belt for two hours! The parking and fields were great and convenient. Not sure which age group you have a problem with, but my daughter's 2023 team had some great games. Way better than that farce of a YJ tournament!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only a fatass would be there for the food. Me, I was there to watch my daughter play lacrosse, and was Damn glad to do it without sitting on the Belt for two hours! The parking and fields were great and convenient. Not sure which age group you have a problem with, but my daughter's 2023 team had some great games. Way better than that farce of a YJ tournament!

Yep. Expecting a concession stand at an hours long sporting event only appeals to "fatasses". Get over yourself [lacrosse].

An hour? I was there all day. Two kids. 7 hrs

top guns team tent always offers out of town teams free lunch

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only a fatass would be there for the food. Me, I was there to watch my daughter play lacrosse, and was Damn glad to do it without sitting on the Belt for two hours! The parking and fields were great and convenient. Not sure which age group you have a problem with, but my daughter's 2023 team had some great games. Way better than that farce of a YJ tournament!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only a fatass would be there for the food. Me, I was there to watch my daughter play lacrosse, and was Damn glad to do it without sitting on the Belt for two hours! The parking and fields were great and convenient. Not sure which age group you have a problem with, but my daughter's 2023 team had some great games. Way better than that farce of a YJ tournament!

Yep. Expecting a concession stand at an hours long sporting event only appeals to "fatasses". Get over yourself [lacrosse].

An hour? I was there all day. Two kids. 7 hrs

It is a contractual issue with Hofstra University where food vendors are not allowed on campus. It is definitely something Top Gun should make known to the teams attending the tournament.

you were there for 7 hours and not one parent could make a food run?

so you are too stupid to drive yourself 5 minutes to feed two kids? seriously? 7 hours of moaning about concessions?

Sounds like you are a sourpuss who's daughter USED to play on YJ 2023. Probably the same guy (RL) who coaches his daughter from the sideline like an absolute lunatic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only a fatass would be there for the food. Me, I was there to watch my daughter play lacrosse, and was Damn glad to do it without sitting on the Belt for two hours! The parking and fields were great and convenient. Not sure which age group you have a problem with, but my daughter's 2023 team had some great games. Way better than that farce of a YJ tournament!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only a fatass would be there for the food. Me, I was there to watch my daughter play lacrosse, and was Damn glad to do it without sitting on the Belt for two hours! The parking and fields were great and convenient. Not sure which age group you have a problem with, but my daughter's 2023 team had some great games. Way better than that farce of a YJ tournament!

Yep. Expecting a concession stand at an hours long sporting event only appeals to "fatasses". Get over yourself [lacrosse].

An hour? I was there all day. Two kids. 7 hrs

This event was not held in some cornfield in Bel Air, MD where the nearest food was miles away. You could have walked 5 minutes to McDonalds, not to mention so many other food places on Hempstead Tpke. On top of that, I have been doing these tournaments for years. We put a cooler together with plenty of water, sandwiches and snacks like fresh fruit. C'mon show some initiative and take some responsibility

I don't think the poster insinuated that they didn't eat or pack a cooler. I think it was merely an observation that most tournaments have at least some form of an option? I'm not really sure why you were all getting a little bit insane about the whole thing lighten up
I for one didn't even pack a cooler. I went home between games and came back it was a pleasure

ok ...no one cares what you did between games d bag.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like you are a sourpuss who's daughter USED to play on YJ 2023. Probably the same guy (RL) who coaches his daughter from the sideline like an absolute lunatic.

Not my daughter, she plays on lgloo and loves it. Was your daughter the YJ player who had to play on a pick up team (who got their buts kicked) because CR is too scared her teams might lose to a Long Island team?

So overall the tournament was a success.

-No paying to travel over an overcrowded bridge
-No paying to travel on I95 for 5+ hours each way
-No paying for an overpriced hotel that you must schedule thru Anthony Travel
-Plenty of parking in a real paved parking lot
-No clueless holdback MD kids who cant answer any questions as to where to park
-Not as many wimpy/clueless officials as typically found in MD
-No MD teams whose daughters can already drive
-No fruity vineyard vines wearing MD Biff/Buffy types.
-A Jersey Mikes within walking distance

This tourney was priceless. Can we do it every weekend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So overall the tournament was a success.

-No paying to travel over an overcrowded bridge
-No paying to travel on I95 for 5+ hours each way
-No paying for an overpriced hotel that you must schedule thru Anthony Travel
-Plenty of parking in a real paved parking lot
-No clueless holdback MD kids who cant answer any questions as to where to park
-Not as many wimpy/clueless officials as typically found in MD
-No MD teams whose daughters can already drive
-No fruity vineyard vines wearing MD Biff/Buffy types.
-A Jersey Mikes within walking distance

This tourney was priceless. Can we do it every weekend

This is hilarious lol excellent way to end tourney season home

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So overall the tournament was a success.

-No paying to travel over an overcrowded bridge
-No paying to travel on I95 for 5+ hours each way
-No paying for an overpriced hotel that you must schedule thru Anthony Travel
-Plenty of parking in a real paved parking lot
-No clueless holdback MD kids who cant answer any questions as to where to park
-Not as many wimpy/clueless officials as typically found in MD
-No MD teams whose daughters can already drive
-No fruity vineyard vines wearing MD Biff/Buffy types.
-A Jersey Mikes within walking distance

This tourney was priceless. Can we do it every weekend

I'm a YJ dad who has to endure a bunch of that. This is awesome, my favorite post on here. Specifically, the MD officials calling every head toss and flop when a MD girl is touched and the Biffs/Buffys comment. The men strut around like a bunch of brightly colored peacocks. Not a lot of testosterone down there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So overall the tournament was a success.

-No paying to travel over an overcrowded bridge
-No paying to travel on I95 for 5+ hours each way
-No paying for an overpriced hotel that you must schedule thru Anthony Travel
-Plenty of parking in a real paved parking lot
-No clueless holdback MD kids who cant answer any questions as to where to park
-Not as many wimpy/clueless officials as typically found in MD
-No MD teams whose daughters can already drive
-No fruity vineyard vines wearing MD Biff/Buffy types.
-A Jersey Mikes within walking distance

This tourney was priceless. Can we do it every weekend

If we could get all the Club directors to do whats best for the girls, and not their pocketbooks, we, the customers would benefit. Less time on the road and more time playing!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ok ...no one cares what you did between games d bag.

I guess food is what you worry about when you're losing all your games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So overall the tournament was a success.

-No paying to travel over an overcrowded bridge
-No paying to travel on I95 for 5+ hours each way
-No paying for an overpriced hotel that you must schedule thru Anthony Travel
-Plenty of parking in a real paved parking lot
-No clueless holdback MD kids who cant answer any questions as to where to park
-Not as many wimpy/clueless officials as typically found in MD
-No MD teams whose daughters can already drive
-No fruity vineyard vines wearing MD Biff/Buffy types.
-A Jersey Mikes within walking distance

This tourney was priceless. Can we do it every weekend

I'm a YJ dad who has to endure a bunch of that. This is awesome, my favorite post on here. Specifically, the MD officials calling every head toss and flop when a MD girl is touched and the Biffs/Buffys comment. The men strut around like a bunch of brightly colored peacocks. Not a lot of testosterone down there.

Don't forget the Ice Wars, which begin at dawn so that all hotel ice bins are empty by 8 a.m., God forbid your games start on the later end of the schedule and you could actually sleep in. And then you find that every store in a five-mile radius has also sold out of ice.

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So overall the tournament was a success.

-No paying to travel over an overcrowded bridge
-No paying to travel on I95 for 5+ hours each way
-No paying for an overpriced hotel that you must schedule thru Anthony Travel
-Plenty of parking in a real paved parking lot
-No clueless holdback MD kids who cant answer any questions as to where to park
-Not as many wimpy/clueless officials as typically found in MD
-No MD teams whose daughters can already drive
-No fruity vineyard vines wearing MD Biff/Buffy types.
-A Jersey Mikes within walking distance

This tourney was priceless. Can we do it every weekend

I'm a YJ dad who has to endure a bunch of that. This is awesome, my favorite post on here. Specifically, the MD officials calling every head toss and flop when a MD girl is touched and the Biffs/Buffys comment. The men strut around like a bunch of brightly colored peacocks. Not a lot of testosterone down there.

Don't forget the Ice Wars, which begin at dawn so that all hotel ice bins are empty by 8 a.m., God forbid your games start on the later end of the schedule and you could actually sleep in. And then you find that every store in a five-mile radius has also sold out of ice.

Lol, been there! Then you make it to the "championship " which winds up as a punishment when it take 3 hours longer than everyone else to make it home 😡😫

Don't forget the Ice Wars, which begin at dawn so that all hotel ice bins are empty by 8 a.m., God forbid your games start on the later end of the schedule and you could actually sleep in. And then you find that every store in a five-mile radius has also sold out of ice.

[/quote]

Funny!!! As much as we all complain about it all, we are all going to miss it when it all ends. And on that note as much as these threads can be "fun" to sit down and read…can't we all get along?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget the Ice Wars, which begin at dawn so that all hotel ice bins are empty by 8 a.m., God forbid your games start on the later end of the schedule and you could actually sleep in. And then you find that every store in a five-mile radius has also sold out of ice.

Funny!!! As much as we all complain about it all, we are all going to miss it when it all ends. And on that note as much as these threads can be "fun" to sit down and read…can't we all get along? [/quote]

Yes, we're all in it together. Wish the LI clubs could support each other a little better instead of belittle each other.

It was by 2
And purple beat that team by 1 at lax for cure in a full game
My daughter is on sound and I thought purple and black were solid
Black had a solid midfielder tall kid she took some of the draws

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So overall the tournament was a success.

-No paying to travel over an overcrowded bridge
-No paying to travel on I95 for 5+ hours each way
-No paying for an overpriced hotel that you must schedule thru Anthony Travel
-Plenty of parking in a real paved parking lot
-No clueless holdback MD kids who cant answer any questions as to where to park
-Not as many wimpy/clueless officials as typically found in MD
-No MD teams whose daughters can already drive
-No fruity vineyard vines wearing MD Biff/Buffy types.
-A Jersey Mikes within walking distance

This tourney was priceless. Can we do it every weekend

I'm a YJ dad who has to endure a bunch of that. This is awesome, my favorite post on here. Specifically, the MD officials calling every head toss and flop when a MD girl is touched and the Biffs/Buffys comment. The men strut around like a bunch of brightly colored peacocks. Not a lot of testosterone down there.

Don't forget the Ice Wars, which begin at dawn so that all hotel ice bins are empty by 8 a.m., God forbid your games start on the later end of the schedule and you could actually sleep in. And then you find that every store in a five-mile radius has also sold out of ice.

Lol, been there! Then you make it to the "championship " which winds up as a punishment when it take 3 hours longer than everyone else to make it home 😡😫

Yes, getting that far was always a mixed blessing. Nice to be there, but cursed with facing shore traffic in addition to the regular SI and Belt Parkway nightmares.

I do miss it. Just had a pic come up on my Timehop of FL and the U15 Nationals. It was a lot of fun, and a lot of work and money, but memories were made and times were enjoyed. I've got one kid left competing in college and IDK what I'll do with myself when that ends.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So overall the tournament was a success.

-No paying to travel over an overcrowded bridge
-No paying to travel on I95 for 5+ hours each way
-No paying for an overpriced hotel that you must schedule thru Anthony Travel
-Plenty of parking in a real paved parking lot
-No clueless holdback MD kids who cant answer any questions as to where to park
-Not as many wimpy/clueless officials as typically found in MD
-No MD teams whose daughters can already drive
-No fruity vineyard vines wearing MD Biff/Buffy types.
-A Jersey Mikes within walking distance

This tourney was priceless. Can we do it every weekend

Why don't we? If enough parents would just say "ENOUGH" - this is the maximum distance I will drive! This is the maximum amount I will pay for tolls! Make the MD teams come across and shell out the toll money and they can sit on the Narrows on Sunday evening as we sit at home cracking open another one.
Instead - they are sitting at home hours before we are even half way up the turnpike.

if you travel you are guaranteed a full ride . it doesn't matter if your kid doesn't play. just be there and make sure the college asst. coaches hear her name every time she touches the ball. make sure to yell " move the ball" when she doesn't, make sure to yell "take it to the c age" when she gets the ball.

squeaky wheels get the scholarships. not the team.

Can someone please tell the 22 Black Mom from Huntington to put a sock in it. She is an embarrassment to our club down here in Virginia.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone please tell the 22 Black Mom from Huntington to put a sock in it. She is an embarrassment to our club down here in Virginia.

If you're there, man up and tell her yourself. Who do you think is going to read it on here and tell her?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone please tell the 22 Black Mom from Huntington to put a sock in it. She is an embarrassment to our club down here in Virginia.

Or you could, since you are there and witnessing it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone please tell the 22 Black Mom from Huntington to put a sock in it. She is an embarrassment to our club down here in Virginia.

If you're there, man up and tell her yourself. Who do you think is going to read it on here and tell her?

Maybe it's his wife.

Signed my daughter up for TG tryout coming up. Was a weird mail in form?? Question- How hard is it to get on the A team? Is there a lot of movement on the top teams? Are people happy with this club? Have heard some good things. Would love to hear pros and cons.

There is 553 pages of information about the Top-Guns in this tread alone.. take a few minutes and read back a few pages.
it will be difficult to make the top team at most of the older ages with 1 tryout ( that goes for all clubs) unless your daughter is a known commodity.
the movement to and from the top team is based on who shows up to replace the current player
some are happy some are not... you need to try it and make your own opinion.
as a whole, the top-guns are run just like all the other club teams.. all the club teams have more similarities than differences.

it all boils down to two things
if your kid can play she will be fine anywhere, and
if you've got the time and the money for travel lax she'// be ok too.

[quote=Anonymous]Signed my daughter up for TG tryout coming up. Was a weird mail in form?? Question- How hard is it to get on the A team? Is there a lot of movement on the top teams? Are people happy with this club? Have heard some good things. Would love to hear pros and cons.

What age group is your daughter trying out for?

is the A team your only priority?
purple team is equal at every level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Signed my daughter up for TG tryout coming up. Was a weird mail in form?? Question- How hard is it to get on the A team? Is there a lot of movement on the top teams? Are people happy with this club? Have heard some good things. Would love to hear pros and cons.

What age group is your daughter trying out for?

Depends on the year and position you are trying out for. If your daughter is a standout talent then she will make it, if she is just above average she can get overlooked. Making purple is just fine and not something to turn your nose from. Purple players get moved to Black if it is deserved and likewise. In my experience, not TG or lacrosse specific, in most cases the bottom talent of an A team and top talent of a B team are interchangeable.

As for the strange mail-in form, that has been a pet-peeve of mine; they need to get with the times and have on-line registration already. All tuition is payed via snail mail too!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Signed my daughter up for TG tryout coming up. Was a weird mail in form?? Question- How hard is it to get on the A team? Is there a lot of movement on the top teams? Are people happy with this club? Have heard some good things. Would love to hear pros and cons.

What age group is your daughter trying out for?

2023 coming from playing PAL and some pick up tournaments

I have often heard the general rule at tryouts is if a new girl is not 10-20% better than a girl currently on the team, a change will not be made by the club. They won't move marginal girls from A team to B team when they know her check has cleared and the family is not a problem. That being said, how do you evaluate 10-20% on a tryout . . . I don't know. Also, not many girls are willing to accept the demotion from A to B, and clubs know that, and they want your money. If your daughter is a 7th or 8th grader, and she is on the bottom 5-8 on the A team roster of 24, she will not play that much against better teams or in playoff games. The best players on B teams play a good portion of every game, and develop their skills, but they don't get to play against the top competition against other A teams. Kids in middle school need to play and not ride the bench, especially now that college coaches aren't watching these age groups. .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Signed my daughter up for TG tryout coming up. Was a weird mail in form?? Question- How hard is it to get on the A team? Is there a lot of movement on the top teams? Are people happy with this club? Have heard some good things. Would love to hear pros and cons.

What age group is your daughter trying out for?

2023 coming from playing PAL and some pick up tournaments

2023 is supposedly a very strong age for TG so it will be very competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Signed my daughter up for TG tryout coming up. Was a weird mail in form?? Question- How hard is it to get on the A team? Is there a lot of movement on the top teams? Are people happy with this club? Have heard some good things. Would love to hear pros and cons.

What age group is your daughter trying out for?

2023 coming from playing PAL and some pick up tournaments

2023 is supposedly a very strong age for TG so it will be very competitive.

New to the club players wanting to get on the Black team typically do their deals at the TG camp that was this week not at try outs.
That being said, if your daughter is a good player and makes the Purple team, do it. She will move up if she is good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

is the A team your only priority?
purple team is equal at every level.

Stop! Purple sucks at every age group and is basically ignored by SS until she realizes that she didn't evaluate a kid very well and moves her up, otherwise you're coached by a 19 year old in flip flops that shows up a week before your first tournament and spend most of the tournament on her cell phone

Originally Posted by Anonymous

is the A team your only priority?
purple team is equal at every level.

Stop! Purple sucks at every age group and is basically ignored by SS until she realizes that she didn't evaluate a kid very well and moves her up, otherwise you're coached by a 19 year old in flip flops that shows up a week before your first tournament and spend most of the tournament on her cell phone

Wrong, if it is deserved you can move up from purple. White is another story.

Really? I hope your kidding about the camps. No one even attends those camps.

Will be very hard to get on to TG 2023 Black. They have a solid team already. A couple of the bottom girls need to go, and I would expect a few YJ players could be taking their place after seeing all the negative comments about that team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]is the A team your only priority?
purple team is equal at every level.

Stop! Purple sucks at every age group and is basically ignored by SS until she realizes that she didn't evaluate a kid very well and moves her up, otherwise you're coached by a 19 year old in flip flops that shows up a week before your first tournament and spend most of the tournament on her cell phone

Not the case at all with Purple, not even close, so you STOP

So to the original poster who was looking for some advice for his daughter, if she makes Purple and is very good, she will get moved up. However, if she is on purple and is very good, she will PLAY A LOT. Have her do the tryout and see where she lands, maybe she goes right to Black anyway. But you are totally fine doing Purpleshould that be the case.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]is the A team your only priority?
purple team is equal at every level.

Stop! Purple sucks at every age group and is basically ignored by SS until she realizes that she didn't evaluate a kid very well and moves her up, otherwise you're coached by a 19 year old in flip flops that shows up a week before your first tournament and spend most of the tournament on her cell phone

Not the case at all with Purple, not even close, so you STOP

So to the original poster who was looking for some advice for his daughter, if she makes Purple and is very good, she will get moved up. However, if she is on purple and is very good, she will PLAY A LOT. Have her do the tryout and see where she lands, maybe she goes right to Black anyway. But you are totally fine doing Purpleshould that be the case.

If you have any idea what schools you would be interested in go look at TG, YJ and Liberty commit list and see if those schools show up on their list. If you're thinking Ivy league Liberty is your club. ND, U Florida, Stony Brook, etc. then go YJ. Hofstra, Towson then go TG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]is the A team your only priority?
purple team is equal at every level.

Stop! Purple sucks at every age group and is basically ignored by SS until she realizes that she didn't evaluate a kid very well and moves her up, otherwise you're coached by a 19 year old in flip flops that shows up a week before your first tournament and spend most of the tournament on her cell phone

Not the case at all with Purple, not even close, so you STOP

So to the original poster who was looking for some advice for his daughter, if she makes Purple and is very good, she will get moved up. However, if she is on purple and is very good, she will PLAY A LOT. Have her do the tryout and see where she lands, maybe she goes right to Black anyway. But you are totally fine doing Purpleshould that be the case.

If you make purple you will get very little coaching unless you are a 2021. The only thing you will get is a slim chance to make black the next year, but you better have you daughter training hard and doing lots of privates to stand out. Otherwise it is college player coach who doesn't care that much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be very hard to get on to TG 2023 Black. They have a solid team already. A couple of the bottom girls need to go, and I would expect a few YJ players could be taking their place after seeing all the negative comments about that team.

2023 age group on LI is weak across the board and no one team can separate. TG, YJ, Igloo all have teams about the same level. If your daughter can make the top team, I would stick to TG or YJ, both have a good name and are respected by the college coaches down the road. If you read these threads, parents are all caught up on who beat who by one goal at this tournament or that. None of that matters to recruiting and the college coaches certainly will never know or care about any of it. What they do know is that the top players from top clubs kick butt. From LI, YJ tops that list for sure, TG does well each year with some very good players as well along with Elevate and Liberty. Igloo? LEGG E Cee? As you get out on these fringe teams you will likely only see the top couple players garner interest. The other famous quote on this thread is Coaches recruit players, it doesn't matter what team they play on. I disagree, it matters greatly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really? I hope your kidding about the camps. No one even attends those camps.

Not true, people do attend camp hoping to get noticed before tryouts. Worked for my daughter's friend...she got on the radar of one of the Smith's and made the black team as an outsider, 1 of only 3 girls and the other 2 came from purple. Having said that she may have stood out at tryouts anyway without attending the camp. When you have about 100 girls show up for an age group you have to try and distinguish yourself somehow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be very hard to get on to TG 2023 Black. They have a solid team already. A couple of the bottom girls need to go, and I would expect a few YJ players could be taking their place after seeing all the negative comments about that team.

2023 age group on LI is weak across the board and no one team can separate. TG, YJ, Igloo all have teams about the same level. If your daughter can make the top team, I would stick to TG or YJ, both have a good name and are respected by the college coaches down the road. If you read these threads, parents are all caught up on who beat who by one goal at this tournament or that. None of that matters to recruiting and the college coaches certainly will never know or care about any of it. What they do know is that the top players from top clubs kick butt. From LI, YJ tops that list for sure, TG does well each year with some very good players as well along with Elevate and Liberty. Igloo? LEGG E Cee? As you get out on these fringe teams you will likely only see the top couple players garner interest. The other famous quote on this thread is Coaches recruit players, it doesn't matter what team they play on. I disagree, it matters greatly.

It matters if your daughter really isn't a quality player, and doesn't get on he field much. Which often happens a YJ. Then the director has to tell the college they are good, cause they never get a chance to see them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really? I hope your kidding about the camps. No one even attends those camps.

Not true, people do attend camp hoping to get noticed before tryouts. Worked for my daughter's friend...she got on the radar of one of the Smith's and made the black team as an outsider, 1 of only 3 girls and the other 2 came from purple. Having said that she may have stood out at tryouts anyway without attending the camp. When you have about 100 girls show up for an age group you have to try and distinguish yourself somehow.

Exactly how it works.

Elevate and legacy and liberty at the 2023 age are non contenders. Can't even have them in this conversation. Blue devils, Jesters beat them up continually.

Exactly how it works.[/quote]

Yes. It works that way . . . in college.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really? I hope your kidding about the camps. No one even attends those camps.

Plenty of YJ girls there this week.

They don't always keep their word. But welcome to club lacrosse.all to many coaches per team. I think it confused the kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They don't always keep their word. But welcome to club lacrosse.all to many coaches per team. I think it confused the kids.

Who has too too many coaches?

Witch one do you think was stronger the leftie or the right handed girl ?

TG is the team to be on this year, the best-balanced team with good coaching. Should be a very competitive tryout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Witch one do you think was stronger the leftie or the right handed girl ?

The one who could play with either hand. Doesn't matter heard both are leaving anyhow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be very hard to get on to TG 2023 Black. They have a solid team already. A couple of the bottom girls need to go, and I would expect a few YJ players could be taking their place after seeing all the negative comments about that team.

2023 age group on LI is weak across the board and no one team can separate. TG, YJ, Igloo all have teams about the same level. If your daughter can make the top team, I would stick to TG or YJ, both have a good name and are respected by the college coaches down the road. If you read these threads, parents are all caught up on who beat who by one goal at this tournament or that. None of that matters to recruiting and the college coaches certainly will never know or care about any of it. What they do know is that the top players from top clubs kick butt. From LI, YJ tops that list for sure, TG does well each year with some very good players as well along with Elevate and Liberty. Igloo? LEGG E Cee? As you get out on these fringe teams you will likely only see the top couple players garner interest. The other famous quote on this thread is Coaches recruit players, it doesn't matter what team they play on. I disagree, it matters greatly.

Clueless...Coaching is everything and Igloo, YJ and TG cant compare with another brand when it comes to coaching at this age...always go with coaching people

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be very hard to get on to TG 2023 Black. They have a solid team already. A couple of the bottom girls need to go, and I would expect a few YJ players could be taking their place after seeing all the negative comments about that team.

2023 age group on LI is weak across the board and no one team can separate. TG, YJ, Igloo all have teams about the same level. If your daughter can make the top team, I would stick to TG or YJ, both have a good name and are respected by the college coaches down the road. If you read these threads, parents are all caught up on who beat who by one goal at this tournament or that. None of that matters to recruiting and the college coaches certainly will never know or care about any of it. What they do know is that the top players from top clubs kick butt. From LI, YJ tops that list for sure, TG does well each year with some very good players as well along with Elevate and Liberty. Igloo? LEGG E Cee? As you get out on these fringe teams you will likely only see the top couple players garner interest. The other famous quote on this thread is Coaches recruit players, it doesn't matter what team they play on. I disagree, it matters greatly.

Clueless...Coaching is everything and Igloo, YJ and TG cant compare with another brand when it comes to coaching at this age...always go with coaching people

Which "brand" would that be???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be very hard to get on to TG 2023 Black. They have a solid team already. A couple of the bottom girls need to go, and I would expect a few YJ players could be taking their place after seeing all the negative comments about that team.

2023 age group on LI is weak across the board and no one team can separate. TG, YJ, Igloo all have teams about the same level. If your daughter can make the top team, I would stick to TG or YJ, both have a good name and are respected by the college coaches down the road. If you read these threads, parents are all caught up on who beat who by one goal at this tournament or that. None of that matters to recruiting and the college coaches certainly will never know or care about any of it. What they do know is that the top players from top clubs kick butt. From LI, YJ tops that list for sure, TG does well each year with some very good players as well along with Elevate and Liberty. Igloo? LEGG E Cee? As you get out on these fringe teams you will likely only see the top couple players garner interest. The other famous quote on this thread is Coaches recruit players, it doesn't matter what team they play on. I disagree, it matters greatly.

Clueless...Coaching is everything and Igloo, YJ and TG cant compare with another brand when it comes to coaching at this age...always go with coaching people

Which "brand" would that be???

your loss if you don't know!!!!!!!
only those who can looked beyond W&L truly get it!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be very hard to get on to TG 2023 Black. They have a solid team already. A couple of the bottom girls need to go, and I would expect a few YJ players could be taking their place after seeing all the negative comments about that team.

2023 age group on LI is weak across the board and no one team can separate. TG, YJ, Igloo all have teams about the same level. If your daughter can make the top team, I would stick to TG or YJ, both have a good name and are respected by the college coaches down the road. If you read these threads, parents are all caught up on who beat who by one goal at this tournament or that. None of that matters to recruiting and the college coaches certainly will never know or care about any of it. What they do know is that the top players from top clubs kick butt. From LI, YJ tops that list for sure, TG does well each year with some very good players as well along with Elevate and Liberty. Igloo? LEGG E Cee? As you get out on these fringe teams you will likely only see the top couple players garner interest. The other famous quote on this thread is Coaches recruit players, it doesn't matter what team they play on. I disagree, it matters greatly.

Clueless...Coaching is everything and Igloo, YJ and TG cant compare with another brand when it comes to coaching at this age...always go with coaching people

Which "brand" would that be???

your loss if you don't know!!!!!!!
only those who can looked beyond W&L truly get it!!!!!

Wow, thanks for your response as it truly didn't help! Guess it's my loss then because I still don't know what you're talking about. Don't know if I'll be able to sleep tonight - LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be very hard to get on to TG 2023 Black. They have a solid team already. A couple of the bottom girls need to go, and I would expect a few YJ players could be taking their place after seeing all the negative comments about that team.

2023 age group on LI is weak across the board and no one team can separate. TG, YJ, Igloo all have teams about the same level. If your daughter can make the top team, I would stick to TG or YJ, both have a good name and are respected by the college coaches down the road. If you read these threads, parents are all caught up on who beat who by one goal at this tournament or that. None of that matters to recruiting and the college coaches certainly will never know or care about any of it. What they do know is that the top players from top clubs kick butt. From LI, YJ tops that list for sure, TG does well each year with some very good players as well along with Elevate and Liberty. Igloo? LEGG E Cee? As you get out on these fringe teams you will likely only see the top couple players garner interest. The other famous quote on this thread is Coaches recruit players, it doesn't matter what team they play on. I disagree, it matters greatly.

Clueless...Coaching is everything and Igloo, YJ and TG cant compare with another brand when it comes to coaching at this age...always go with coaching people

So being coached by the best player in the country and Tewaaraton award winner doesn't compare to igloo......your not serious are you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be very hard to get on to TG 2023 Black. They have a solid team already. A couple of the bottom girls need to go, and I would expect a few YJ players could be taking their place after seeing all the negative comments about that team.

2023 age group on LI is weak across the board and no one team can separate. TG, YJ, Igloo all have teams about the same level. If your daughter can make the top team, I would stick to TG or YJ, both have a good name and are respected by the college coaches down the road. If you read these threads, parents are all caught up on who beat who by one goal at this tournament or that. None of that matters to recruiting and the college coaches certainly will never know or care about any of it. What they do know is that the top players from top clubs kick butt. From LI, YJ tops that list for sure, TG does well each year with some very good players as well along with Elevate and Liberty. Igloo? LEGG E Cee? As you get out on these fringe teams you will likely only see the top couple players garner interest. The other famous quote on this thread is Coaches recruit players, it doesn't matter what team they play on. I disagree, it matters greatly.

Clueless...Coaching is everything and Igloo, YJ and TG cant compare with another brand when it comes to coaching at this age...always go with coaching people

So being coached by the best player in the country and Tewaaraton award winner doesn't compare to igloo......your not serious are you.

yes, relating to kids is the most important piece of teaching and communicating. Dictating and having your best three kids win games by going to goal is not getting your money's worth.

Originally Posted by CageSage

The pricing and package information for the Long Island Top Guns Girls Program follows.

Graduating Years: 2013 � 2018, 2011 Annual Fee is $1100

Payment Includes:

Tournaments : 5 Guaranteed SUMMER Tournaments
This fee does not include fall or winter tournaments and/or leagues

Practices : 10 Team Practices

Coaches : World Class Coaching Staff, Two Coaches per Team
Each team will be over seen by Shannon Smith and Lacey Vigmostad

Uniform : Team Uniform / First Year Bag is Included / Sweat Shirt Recruitment

Each player will have a chance to be guided through the process, have the ability to make a player profile and make meetings with the coaches to go over questions you may have.

PAYMENT SCHEDULE

Payment 1 : $200 September 13th, 2010
Payment 2 : $200 December 1st, 2010
Payment 3 : $200 February 1st, 2011
Payment 4 : $250 March 1st, 2011
Payment 5 : $250 May 1st, 2011

**** ALL PAYMENTS ARE NONFEFUNDABLE ****

I just saw this from 6 or 7 years ago. $1100 for 5 summer tournaments. What is it now? I'm guessing it has outpaced inflation just a little bit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be very hard to get on to TG 2023 Black. They have a solid team already. A couple of the bottom girls need to go, and I would expect a few YJ players could be taking their place after seeing all the negative comments about that team.

2023 age group on LI is weak across the board and no one team can separate. TG, YJ, Igloo all have teams about the same level. If your daughter can make the top team, I would stick to TG or YJ, both have a good name and are respected by the college coaches down the road. If you read these threads, parents are all caught up on who beat who by one goal at this tournament or that. None of that matters to recruiting and the college coaches certainly will never know or care about any of it. What they do know is that the top players from top clubs kick butt. From LI, YJ tops that list for sure, TG does well each year with some very good players as well along with Elevate and Liberty. Igloo? LEGG E Cee? As you get out on these fringe teams you will likely only see the top couple players garner interest. The other famous quote on this thread is Coaches recruit players, it doesn't matter what team they play on. I disagree, it matters greatly.

Clueless...Coaching is everything and Igloo, YJ and TG cant compare with another brand when it comes to coaching at this age...always go with coaching people

So being coached by the best player in the country and Tewaaraton award winner doesn't compare to igloo......your not serious are you.

Best players almost never turn into best coaches, there are an endless list of examples

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yes, relating to kids is the most important piece of teaching and communicating. Dictating and having your best three kids win games by going to goal is not getting your money's worth.

Dead on assessment and it's not necessarily the best three players, it's the favorites.

Dead on assessment and it's not necessarily the best three players, it's the favorites.
[/quote]

And changes are not made from year to year. There are no positional tryouts for this club. It is a complete mystery who will be playing any positions until the first tournament next June. Doesn't matter who got better or worse, who put the stick down all winter and who didn't, and who did winter trainings. Good luck with 25 player rosters!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=CageSage]The pricing and package information for the Long Island Top Guns Girls Program follows.

Graduating Years: 2013 � 2018, 2011 Annual Fee is $1100

Payment Includes:

Tournaments : 5 Guaranteed SUMMER Tournaments
This fee does not include fall or winter tournaments and/or leagues

Practices : 10 Team Practices

Coaches : World Class Coaching Staff, Two Coaches per Team
Each team will be over seen by Shannon Smith and Lacey Vigmostad

Uniform : Team Uniform / First Year Bag is Included / Sweat Shirt Recruitment

Each player will have a chance to be guided through the process, have the ability to make a player profile and make meetings with the coaches to go over questions you may have.

PAYMENT SCHEDULE

Payment 1 : $200 September 13th, 2010
Payment 2 : $200 December 1st, 2010
Payment 3 : $200 February 1st, 2011
Payment 4 : $250 March 1st, 2011
Payment 5 : $250 May 1st, 2011

**** ALL PAYMENTS ARE NONFEFUNDABLE ****

I just saw this from 6 or 7 years ago. $1100 for 5 summer tournaments. What is it now? I'm guessing it has outpaced inflation just a little bit.

$1450 for 5 tournaments and 20 practices.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be very hard to get on to TG 2023 Black. They have a solid team already. A couple of the bottom girls need to go, and I would expect a few YJ players could be taking their place after seeing all the negative comments about that team.

2023 age group on LI is weak across the board and no one team can separate. TG, YJ, Igloo all have teams about the same level. If your daughter can make the top team, I would stick to TG or YJ, both have a good name and are respected by the college coaches down the road. If you read these threads, parents are all caught up on who beat who by one goal at this tournament or that. None of that matters to recruiting and the college coaches certainly will never know or care about any of it. What they do know is that the top players from top clubs kick butt. From LI, YJ tops that list for sure, TG does well each year with some very good players as well along with Elevate and Liberty. Igloo? LEGG E Cee? As you get out on these fringe teams you will likely only see the top couple players garner interest. The other famous quote on this thread is Coaches recruit players, it doesn't matter what team they play on. I disagree, it matters greatly.

Clueless...Coaching is everything and Igloo, YJ and TG cant compare with another brand when it comes to coaching at this age...always go with coaching people

So being coached by the best player in the country and Tewaaraton award winner doesn't compare to igloo......your not serious are you.

Best players almost never turn into best coaches, there are an endless list of examples

Please list the endless examples. Remember on BOTC please back-up "your facts" with facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yes, relating to kids is the most important piece of teaching and communicating. Dictating and having your best three kids win games by going to goal is not getting your money's worth.

Funny......not good if other kids are told go to goal........I guess its ok if its your kid being told go to goal.

Please list the endless examples. Remember on BOTC please back-up "your facts" with facts.
[/quote]

Please list the ways that SS coaches all of the girls in the program? With the exception to the teams that she is listed as head coach, she does not coach girls individually or in small groups - not even at clinics or winter training. She is there most of the time, and she oversees them, but that's about it. Personality goes a long way with young girls. SS is not a warm and fuzzy person. Doesn't mean anything about her coaching ability, but not a person young athletes want to gravitate towards.

Funny......not good if other kids are told go to goal........I guess its ok if its your kid being told go to goal.
[/quote]

You can't have the same three girls running isolation plays, which does happen often on TG - but mostly on other weaker organizations that don't have the talent. TG has the talent to spread the ball around and get more girls involved, but it doesn't happen regularly. Maryland clubs catch on quickly and just double the ball because they know it won't be moved. Yes, TG romps over weak teams, but when they play the top teams - this stuff doesn't fly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny......not good if other kids are told go to goal........I guess its ok if its your kid being told go to goal.

You can't have the same three girls running isolation plays, which does happen often on TG - but mostly on other weaker organizations that don't have the talent. TG has the talent to spread the ball around and get more girls involved, but it doesn't happen regularly. Maryland clubs catch on quickly and just double the ball because they know it won't be moved. Yes, TG romps over weak teams, but when they play the top teams - this stuff doesn't fly.[/quote]

This is true on my daughter's team too. The talent is there but they focus on a select few They don't seem to be developing players except for those girls, who are being trained to be selfish players because they are revolving the game around them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please list the endless examples. Remember on BOTC please back-up "your facts" with facts.

Please list the ways that SS coaches all of the girls in the program? With the exception to the teams that she is listed as head coach, she does not coach girls individually or in small groups - not even at clinics or winter training. She is there most of the time, and she oversees them, but that's about it. Personality goes a long way with young girls. SS is not a warm and fuzzy person. Doesn't mean anything about her coaching ability, but not a person young athletes want to gravitate towards.
[/quote]

She does coach at practice and at tournaments for my daughter's black team and she isn't listed as head coach. It isn't every practice/tournament but she definitely has a presence.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dead on assessment and it's not necessarily the best three players, it's the favorites.

And changes are not made from year to year. There are no positional tryouts for this club. It is a complete mystery who will be playing any positions until the first tournament next June. Doesn't matter who got better or worse, who put the stick down all winter and who didn't, and who did winter trainings. Good luck with 25 player rosters![/quote]

Not a complete mystery on my daughter's team at all, before tryouts BS know what positions he needed filled (this is a black team, they may operate differently for the others).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yes, relating to kids is the most important piece of teaching and communicating. Dictating and having your best three kids win games by going to goal is not getting your money's worth.

Funny......not good if other kids are told go to goal........I guess its ok if its your kid being told go to goal.

SS plays to win at all costs, she believes that's the best way to market the club, if you're not the go to goal kid your irrelevant to her. Many competitive games the bench is very short with 5-7 kids not playing at all - this includes showcase events that don't have a championship format. So if you're willing to drive down to Maryland or Virginia and watch your daughter ride the bench in half the games then it's all good, but being one of the three go to goal kids would be better...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=CageSage]The pricing and package information for the Long Island Top Guns Girls Program follows.

Graduating Years: 2013 � 2018, 2011 Annual Fee is $1100

Payment Includes:

Tournaments : 5 Guaranteed SUMMER Tournaments
This fee does not include fall or winter tournaments and/or leagues

Practices : 10 Team Practices

Coaches : World Class Coaching Staff, Two Coaches per Team
Each team will be over seen by Shannon Smith and Lacey Vigmostad

Uniform : Team Uniform / First Year Bag is Included / Sweat Shirt Recruitment

Each player will have a chance to be guided through the process, have the ability to make a player profile and make meetings with the coaches to go over questions you may have.

PAYMENT SCHEDULE

Payment 1 : $200 September 13th, 2010
Payment 2 : $200 December 1st, 2010
Payment 3 : $200 February 1st, 2011
Payment 4 : $250 March 1st, 2011
Payment 5 : $250 May 1st, 2011

**** ALL PAYMENTS ARE NONFEFUNDABLE ****

I just saw this from 6 or 7 years ago. $1100 for 5 summer tournaments. What is it now? I'm guessing it has outpaced inflation just a little bit.

$1450 for 5 tournaments and 20 practices.

Can't complain about that price. Very reasonable.

Let's list some SS facts: Her best years at Hofstra were her 1st and 3rd years, primarily the previous coaches recruits. Hofstra has been 11-21 the past two seasons. She has had had trouble retaining girls with several girls leaving the team last fall season and has been continuously criticized for her inability to relate and form relationships with her players. Now that her team has had two years with entirely her own recruits she has had two losing seasons. Unfortunately successful coaching at any level requires the ability to form interpersonal relationships with your athletes, relate and inspire them, and ultimately earn their respect. There is a difference between fear and respect and you should never confuse the two. Good coaches earn their players respect, SS on the other hand is feared. Don't believe me, ask any TG player if they are afraid of here and the overwhelming majority will say they are afraid of her.

Her club teams have encountered some problems from a player retention standpoint. Her last strong class of multiple high level top program commits were probably 2016, (though 2020 has had a good start). She is inappropriate on the sidelines often when addressing these young athletes, saying things that comes out callous, and she should try to preserve some of these girls self esteems and help build self confidence instead of tear it down (here come all the kool-aide drinkers, who are going to say your daughter isn't tough enough, but would you let some punk on the street verbally abuse your daughter? then why would you let a person in a coaching/authority role do it?) and it is obvious that though she works for a University, and claims to teach young people athletics and everything that is supposed to go with that (the virtues or sportsmanship, hardwork and respect) she is a poor excuse of any sort of educator.

You can see the disfunction of the father/daughter relationship and the resentment build in this woman. She has little passion for the game left, the only passion is for the survival of the brand to support the people feeding off of it. The father runs to his truck between games to avoid any interaction with parents or players cause as he has expressed many times he hates parents, and they know nothing. In his mind there is only one way and that is the Smith way. And AS....well we will leave that for another time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's list some SS facts: Her best years at Hofstra were her 1st and 3rd years, primarily the previous coaches recruits. Hofstra has been 11-21 the past two seasons. She has had had trouble retaining girls with several girls leaving the team last fall season and has been continuously criticized for her inability to relate and form relationships with her players. Now that her team has had two years with entirely her own recruits she has had two losing seasons. Unfortunately successful coaching at any level requires the ability to form interpersonal relationships with your athletes, relate and inspire them, and ultimately earn their respect. There is a difference between fear and respect and you should never confuse the two. Good coaches earn their players respect, SS on the other hand is feared. Don't believe me, ask any TG player if they are afraid of here and the overwhelming majority will say they are afraid of her.

Her club teams have encountered some problems from a player retention standpoint. Her last strong class of multiple high level top program commits were probably 2016, (though 2020 has had a good start). She is inappropriate on the sidelines often when addressing these young athletes, saying things that comes out callous, and she should try to preserve some of these girls self esteems and help build self confidence instead of tear it down (here come all the kool-aide drinkers, who are going to say your daughter isn't tough enough, but would you let some punk on the street verbally abuse your daughter? then why would you let a person in a coaching/authority role do it?) and it is obvious that though she works for a University, and claims to teach young people athletics and everything that is supposed to go with that (the virtues or sportsmanship, hardwork and respect) she is a poor excuse of any sort of educator.

You can see the disfunction of the father/daughter relationship and the resentment build in this woman. She has little passion for the game left, the only passion is for the survival of the brand to support the people feeding off of it. The father runs to his truck between games to avoid any interaction with parents or players cause as he has expressed many times he hates parents, and they know nothing. In his mind there is only one way and that is the Smith way. And AS....well we will leave that for another time.

LOL, but probably very accurate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yes, relating to kids is the most important piece of teaching and communicating. Dictating and having your best three kids win games by going to goal is not getting your money's worth.

Funny......not good if other kids are told go to goal........I guess its ok if its your kid being told go to goal.

SS plays to win at all costs, she believes that's the best way to market the club, if you're not the go to goal kid your irrelevant to her. Many competitive games the bench is very short with 5-7 kids not playing at all - this includes showcase events that don't have a championship format. So if you're willing to drive down to Maryland or Virginia and watch your daughter ride the bench in half the games then it's all good, but being one of the three go to goal kids would be better...

Totally agree, BS coaches the same way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's list some SS facts: Her best years at Hofstra were her 1st and 3rd years, primarily the previous coaches recruits. Hofstra has been 11-21 the past two seasons. She has had had trouble retaining girls with several girls leaving the team last fall season and has been continuously criticized for her inability to relate and form relationships with her players. Now that her team has had two years with entirely her own recruits she has had two losing seasons. Unfortunately successful coaching at any level requires the ability to form interpersonal relationships with your athletes, relate and inspire them, and ultimately earn their respect. There is a difference between fear and respect and you should never confuse the two. Good coaches earn their players respect, SS on the other hand is feared. Don't believe me, ask any TG player if they are afraid of here and the overwhelming majority will say they are afraid of her.

Her club teams have encountered some problems from a player retention standpoint. Her last strong class of multiple high level top program commits were probably 2016, (though 2020 has had a good start). She is inappropriate on the sidelines often when addressing these young athletes, saying things that comes out callous, and she should try to preserve some of these girls self esteems and help build self confidence instead of tear it down (here come all the kool-aide drinkers, who are going to say your daughter isn't tough enough, but would you let some punk on the street verbally abuse your daughter? then why would you let a person in a coaching/authority role do it?) and it is obvious that though she works for a University, and claims to teach young people athletics and everything that is supposed to go with that (the virtues or sportsmanship, hardwork and respect) she is a poor excuse of any sort of educator.

You can see the disfunction of the father/daughter relationship and the resentment build in this woman. She has little passion for the game left, the only passion is for the survival of the brand to support the people feeding off of it. The father runs to his truck between games to avoid any interaction with parents or players cause as he has expressed many times he hates parents, and they know nothing. In his mind there is only one way and that is the Smith way. And AS....well we will leave that for another time.

LOL, but probably very accurate

Wow, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's list some SS facts: Her best years at Hofstra were her 1st and 3rd years, primarily the previous coaches recruits. Hofstra has been 11-21 the past two seasons. She has had had trouble retaining girls with several girls leaving the team last fall season and has been continuously criticized for her inability to relate and form relationships with her players. Now that her team has had two years with entirely her own recruits she has had two losing seasons. Unfortunately successful coaching at any level requires the ability to form interpersonal relationships with your athletes, relate and inspire them, and ultimately earn their respect. There is a difference between fear and respect and you should never confuse the two. Good coaches earn their players respect, SS on the other hand is feared. Don't believe me, ask any TG player if they are afraid of here and the overwhelming majority will say they are afraid of her.

Her club teams have encountered some problems from a player retention standpoint. Her last strong class of multiple high level top program commits were probably 2016, (though 2020 has had a good start). She is inappropriate on the sidelines often when addressing these young athletes, saying things that comes out callous, and she should try to preserve some of these girls self esteems and help build self confidence instead of tear it down (here come all the kool-aide drinkers, who are going to say your daughter isn't tough enough, but would you let some punk on the street verbally abuse your daughter? then why would you let a person in a coaching/authority role do it?) and it is obvious that though she works for a University, and claims to teach young people athletics and everything that is supposed to go with that (the virtues or sportsmanship, hardwork and respect) she is a poor excuse of any sort of educator.

You can see the disfunction of the father/daughter relationship and the resentment build in this woman. She has little passion for the game left, the only passion is for the survival of the brand to support the people feeding off of it. The father runs to his truck between games to avoid any interaction with parents or players cause as he has expressed many times he hates parents, and they know nothing. In his mind there is only one way and that is the Smith way. And AS....well we will leave that for another time.

LOL, but probably very accurate

Wow, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Wow is right, you bench sitters need to find a different sport. You couldn't be more wrong. But I guess disgruntled players make up this kind of crap at all the clubs. My experience is very different from what your experience is. Club lacrosse is a dog eat dog world. You need to perform to be on the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's list some SS facts: Her best years at Hofstra were her 1st and 3rd years, primarily the previous coaches recruits. Hofstra has been 11-21 the past two seasons. She has had had trouble retaining girls with several girls leaving the team last fall season and has been continuously criticized for her inability to relate and form relationships with her players. Now that her team has had two years with entirely her own recruits she has had two losing seasons. Unfortunately successful coaching at any level requires the ability to form interpersonal relationships with your athletes, relate and inspire them, and ultimately earn their respect. There is a difference between fear and respect and you should never confuse the two. Good coaches earn their players respect, SS on the other hand is feared. Don't believe me, ask any TG player if they are afraid of here and the overwhelming majority will say they are afraid of her.

Her club teams have encountered some problems from a player retention standpoint. Her last strong class of multiple high level top program commits were probably 2016, (though 2020 has had a good start). She is inappropriate on the sidelines often when addressing these young athletes, saying things that comes out callous, and she should try to preserve some of these girls self esteems and help build self confidence instead of tear it down (here come all the kool-aide drinkers, who are going to say your daughter isn't tough enough, but would you let some punk on the street verbally abuse your daughter? then why would you let a person in a coaching/authority role do it?) and it is obvious that though she works for a University, and claims to teach young people athletics and everything that is supposed to go with that (the virtues or sportsmanship, hardwork and respect) she is a poor excuse of any sort of educator.

You can see the disfunction of the father/daughter relationship and the resentment build in this woman. She has little passion for the game left, the only passion is for the survival of the brand to support the people feeding off of it. The father runs to his truck between games to avoid any interaction with parents or players cause as he has expressed many times he hates parents, and they know nothing. In his mind there is only one way and that is the Smith way. And AS....well we will leave that for another time.

LOL, but probably very accurate

Wow, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Wow is right, you bench sitters need to find a different sport. You couldn't be more wrong. But I guess disgruntled players make up this kind of crap at all the clubs. My experience is very different from what your experience is. Club lacrosse is a dog eat dog world. You need to perform to be on the field.

Thanks Andrew for the reply. Now we can get on to you. Must suck being caught in the brief glimmer of hope that you will one day take over the lacrosse club and run it and no longer have to peddle insurance as you troll young BOTC (yes your office mates have seen it up on your computer). Maybe if you can return it to its former glory you can erase your failed career at Tampa, in which daddy couldn't bully and try to manipulate the athletic department like he did at West Bab. .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's list some SS facts: Her best years at Hofstra were her 1st and 3rd years, primarily the previous coaches recruits. Hofstra has been 11-21 the past two seasons. She has had had trouble retaining girls with several girls leaving the team last fall season and has been continuously criticized for her inability to relate and form relationships with her players. Now that her team has had two years with entirely her own recruits she has had two losing seasons. Unfortunately successful coaching at any level requires the ability to form interpersonal relationships with your athletes, relate and inspire them, and ultimately earn their respect. There is a difference between fear and respect and you should never confuse the two. Good coaches earn their players respect, SS on the other hand is feared. Don't believe me, ask any TG player if they are afraid of here and the overwhelming majority will say they are afraid of her.

Her club teams have encountered some problems from a player retention standpoint. Her last strong class of multiple high level top program commits were probably 2016, (though 2020 has had a good start). She is inappropriate on the sidelines often when addressing these young athletes, saying things that comes out callous, and she should try to preserve some of these girls self esteems and help build self confidence instead of tear it down (here come all the kool-aide drinkers, who are going to say your daughter isn't tough enough, but would you let some punk on the street verbally abuse your daughter? then why would you let a person in a coaching/authority role do it?) and it is obvious that though she works for a University, and claims to teach young people athletics and everything that is supposed to go with that (the virtues or sportsmanship, hardwork and respect) she is a poor excuse of any sort of educator.

You can see the disfunction of the father/daughter relationship and the resentment build in this woman. She has little passion for the game left, the only passion is for the survival of the brand to support the people feeding off of it. The father runs to his truck between games to avoid any interaction with parents or players cause as he has expressed many times he hates parents, and they know nothing. In his mind there is only one way and that is the Smith way. And AS....well we will leave that for another time.

LOL, but probably very accurate

Wow, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Wow is right, you bench sitters need to find a different sport. You couldn't be more wrong. But I guess disgruntled players make up this kind of crap at all the clubs. My experience is very different from what your experience is. Club lacrosse is a dog eat dog world. You need to perform to be on the field.

You sound more bitter than the "bench sitters". You are either a Smith or your daughter is one of the "three go to goal girls". There is lots of crazy on these boards but if something pops up enough there is usually a grain of truth to it. Disgruntled players don't "make this crap up at all the clubs"...on other forum threads the complaints are different. These are pretty specific to TG. When reading some of these comments, I couldn't believe the similarity to our experience. TG attracts talent, granted everyone can't be a superstar, but anyone can witness the behavior/comments of SS or BS on a sideline. There was a lot more in the original comment than about playing time...it addressed how the girls are spoken to and it anticipated that someone like you would make your comment. Seems like there are lots of disgruntled people at all the clubs so I guess it is a matter of pick your poison. I repeat, anyone can come witness a tournament & see how SS, BS, & AS behave and see the truth in the above statement.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's list some SS facts: Her best years at Hofstra were her 1st and 3rd years, primarily the previous coaches recruits. Hofstra has been 11-21 the past two seasons. She has had had trouble retaining girls with several girls leaving the team last fall season and has been continuously criticized for her inability to relate and form relationships with her players. Now that her team has had two years with entirely her own recruits she has had two losing seasons. Unfortunately successful coaching at any level requires the ability to form interpersonal relationships with your athletes, relate and inspire them, and ultimately earn their respect. There is a difference between fear and respect and you should never confuse the two. Good coaches earn their players respect, SS on the other hand is feared. Don't believe me, ask any TG player if they are afraid of here and the overwhelming majority will say they are afraid of her.

Her club teams have encountered some problems from a player retention standpoint. Her last strong class of multiple high level top program commits were probably 2016, (though 2020 has had a good start). She is inappropriate on the sidelines often when addressing these young athletes, saying things that comes out callous, and she should try to preserve some of these girls self esteems and help build self confidence instead of tear it down (here come all the kool-aide drinkers, who are going to say your daughter isn't tough enough, but would you let some punk on the street verbally abuse your daughter? then why would you let a person in a coaching/authority role do it?) and it is obvious that though she works for a University, and claims to teach young people athletics and everything that is supposed to go with that (the virtues or sportsmanship, hardwork and respect) she is a poor excuse of any sort of educator.

You can see the disfunction of the father/daughter relationship and the resentment build in this woman. She has little passion for the game left, the only passion is for the survival of the brand to support the people feeding off of it. The father runs to his truck between games to avoid any interaction with parents or players cause as he has expressed many times he hates parents, and they know nothing. In his mind there is only one way and that is the Smith way. And AS....well we will leave that for another time.

LOL, but probably very accurate

Wow, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Wow is right, you bench sitters need to find a different sport. You couldn't be more wrong. But I guess disgruntled players make up this kind of crap at all the clubs. My experience is very different from what your experience is. Club lacrosse is a dog eat dog world. You need to perform to be on the field.

You sound more bitter than the "bench sitters". You are either a Smith or your daughter is one of the "three go to goal girls". There is lots of crazy on these boards but if something pops up enough there is usually a grain of truth to it. Disgruntled players don't "make this crap up at all the clubs"...on other forum threads the complaints are different. These are pretty specific to TG. When reading some of these comments, I couldn't believe the similarity to our experience. TG attracts talent, granted everyone can't be a superstar, but anyone can witness the behavior/comments of SS or BS on a sideline. There was a lot more in the original comment than about playing time...it addressed how the girls are spoken to and it anticipated that someone like you would make your comment. Seems like there are lots of disgruntled people at all the clubs so I guess it is a matter of pick your poison. I repeat, anyone can come witness a tournament & see how SS, BS, & AS behave and see the truth in the above statement.

If you're so unhappy, stop complaining and go somewhere else....if they will have you. If you do , I'm pretty sure you'll be making the same complaint. Sadly lacrosse is a shark tank!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's list some SS facts: Her best years at Hofstra were her 1st and 3rd years, primarily the previous coaches recruits. Hofstra has been 11-21 the past two seasons. She has had had trouble retaining girls with several girls leaving the team last fall season and has been continuously criticized for her inability to relate and form relationships with her players. Now that her team has had two years with entirely her own recruits she has had two losing seasons. Unfortunately successful coaching at any level requires the ability to form interpersonal relationships with your athletes, relate and inspire them, and ultimately earn their respect. There is a difference between fear and respect and you should never confuse the two. Good coaches earn their players respect, SS on the other hand is feared. Don't believe me, ask any TG player if they are afraid of here and the overwhelming majority will say they are afraid of her.

Her club teams have encountered some problems from a player retention standpoint. Her last strong class of multiple high level top program commits were probably 2016, (though 2020 has had a good start). She is inappropriate on the sidelines often when addressing these young athletes, saying things that comes out callous, and she should try to preserve some of these girls self esteems and help build self confidence instead of tear it down (here come all the kool-aide drinkers, who are going to say your daughter isn't tough enough, but would you let some punk on the street verbally abuse your daughter? then why would you let a person in a coaching/authority role do it?) and it is obvious that though she works for a University, and claims to teach young people athletics and everything that is supposed to go with that (the virtues or sportsmanship, hardwork and respect) she is a poor excuse of any sort of educator.

You can see the disfunction of the father/daughter relationship and the resentment build in this woman. She has little passion for the game left, the only passion is for the survival of the brand to support the people feeding off of it. The father runs to his truck between games to avoid any interaction with parents or players cause as he has expressed many times he hates parents, and they know nothing. In his mind there is only one way and that is the Smith way. And AS....well we will leave that for another time.

LOL, but probably very accurate

Wow, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Wow is right, you bench sitters need to find a different sport. You couldn't be more wrong. But I guess disgruntled players make up this kind of crap at all the clubs. My experience is very different from what your experience is. Club lacrosse is a dog eat dog world. You need to perform to be on the field.

You sound more bitter than the "bench sitters". You are either a Smith or your daughter is one of the "three go to goal girls". There is lots of crazy on these boards but if something pops up enough there is usually a grain of truth to it. Disgruntled players don't "make this crap up at all the clubs"...on other forum threads the complaints are different. These are pretty specific to TG. When reading some of these comments, I couldn't believe the similarity to our experience. TG attracts talent, granted everyone can't be a superstar, but anyone can witness the behavior/comments of SS or BS on a sideline. There was a lot more in the original comment than about playing time...it addressed how the girls are spoken to and it anticipated that someone like you would make your comment. Seems like there are lots of disgruntled people at all the clubs so I guess it is a matter of pick your poison. I repeat, anyone can come witness a tournament & see how SS, BS, & AS behave and see the truth in the above statement.

If you're so unhappy, stop complaining and go somewhere else....if they will have you. If you do , I'm pretty sure you'll be making the same complaint. Sadly lacrosse is a shark tank!

Club lax is a business, nothing more, nothing less.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's list some SS facts: Her best years at Hofstra were her 1st and 3rd years, primarily the previous coaches recruits. Hofstra has been 11-21 the past two seasons. She has had had trouble retaining girls with several girls leaving the team last fall season and has been continuously criticized for her inability to relate and form relationships with her players. Now that her team has had two years with entirely her own recruits she has had two losing seasons. Unfortunately successful coaching at any level requires the ability to form interpersonal relationships with your athletes, relate and inspire them, and ultimately earn their respect. There is a difference between fear and respect and you should never confuse the two. Good coaches earn their players respect, SS on the other hand is feared. Don't believe me, ask any TG player if they are afraid of here and the overwhelming majority will say they are afraid of her.

Her club teams have encountered some problems from a player retention standpoint. Her last strong class of multiple high level top program commits were probably 2016, (though 2020 has had a good start). She is inappropriate on the sidelines often when addressing these young athletes, saying things that comes out callous, and she should try to preserve some of these girls self esteems and help build self confidence instead of tear it down (here come all the kool-aide drinkers, who are going to say your daughter isn't tough enough, but would you let some punk on the street verbally abuse your daughter? then why would you let a person in a coaching/authority role do it?) and it is obvious that though she works for a University, and claims to teach young people athletics and everything that is supposed to go with that (the virtues or sportsmanship, hardwork and respect) she is a poor excuse of any sort of educator.

You can see the disfunction of the father/daughter relationship and the resentment build in this woman. She has little passion for the game left, the only passion is for the survival of the brand to support the people feeding off of it. The father runs to his truck between games to avoid any interaction with parents or players cause as he has expressed many times he hates parents, and they know nothing. In his mind there is only one way and that is the Smith way. And AS....well we will leave that for another time.

It is a little tough to hammer her on her coaching career at Hofstra so far. She has been there (5) seasons. Keep in mind that her first season was 2013. At that time most of the top talent was already committed by 10th grade (class of 2016) and in some cases by 9th grade (Class of 2017). In my mind her first true class is the freshman from this past year's team. It looks like she has some good talent from that grade and next years freshman class is still TBD. Add to that a very successful SB team at almost a third of the cost as well as better academically, other top flight talent does not stay on LI, great D2 talented teams on LI...etc. Recruiting at Hofstra is difficult. You need to create a winning/successful program like SB and the recruits will come. I think we would all like to see LI girls have success on the next level.

TG 2016 class was a strong group of girls, no doubt. I do not think the 2017's were strong but the 2018 team is very good. They are not in the top 3 (YJ, M&D, Skywalker) but they are easily in the next one or two teams to follow. 2019 is also a strong group, probably in the 5 to 10 range. The problem TG has is that they are not as strong as YJ when it comes to college recruitment. Therefore some of the better talent end up moving to YJ after a couple of years. That to me is the one issue they need to address, although sometimes getting rid of those parents is better for all anyway. In reality though they are still by far the second best option on LI and many girls do go onto to top lacrosse as well as academic institutions. As far as coaching...they cannot win. People come on here and complain about college girls coaching that are always on their cellphones...but on the other hand when SS coaches she is too hard on the girls. As you can see they will never make everyone happy.

Everyone need to make a choice that is best for them. But, let's stop all the bashing because you feel like somehow you and your daughter were wronged. Hopefully you are in a better and happier place so move on. You can go to the YJ thread and find the same crap on there. I can tell you we enjoy our TG experience and have met some wonderful people. Best of luck to your daughter(s)

Hofstra was 8 and 8 this year playing 5 ranked teams beating Towson. Not exactly a losing Season JERK!!! I understand it's not great, however check out the strength of schedule. They had many good freshmen on the field last year with a few good ones coming in this year. Let this year play out... I'm predicting a winning season and a spot in the conference playoffs. Let's re visit this in February of 2018

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's list some SS facts: Her best years at Hofstra were her 1st and 3rd years, primarily the previous coaches recruits. Hofstra has been 11-21 the past two seasons. She has had had trouble retaining girls with several girls leaving the team last fall season and has been continuously criticized for her inability to relate and form relationships with her players. Now that her team has had two years with entirely her own recruits she has had two losing seasons. Unfortunately successful coaching at any level requires the ability to form interpersonal relationships with your athletes, relate and inspire them, and ultimately earn their respect. There is a difference between fear and respect and you should never confuse the two. Good coaches earn their players respect, SS on the other hand is feared. Don't believe me, ask any TG player if they are afraid of here and the overwhelming majority will say they are afraid of her.

Her club teams have encountered some problems from a player retention standpoint. Her last strong class of multiple high level top program commits were probably 2016, (though 2020 has had a good start). She is inappropriate on the sidelines often when addressing these young athletes, saying things that comes out callous, and she should try to preserve some of these girls self esteems and help build self confidence instead of tear it down (here come all the kool-aide drinkers, who are going to say your daughter isn't tough enough, but would you let some punk on the street verbally abuse your daughter? then why would you let a person in a coaching/authority role do it?) and it is obvious that though she works for a University, and claims to teach young people athletics and everything that is supposed to go with that (the virtues or sportsmanship, hardwork and respect) she is a poor excuse of any sort of educator.

You can see the disfunction of the father/daughter relationship and the resentment build in this woman. She has little passion for the game left, the only passion is for the survival of the brand to support the people feeding off of it. The father runs to his truck between games to avoid any interaction with parents or players cause as he has expressed many times he hates parents, and they know nothing. In his mind there is only one way and that is the Smith way. And AS....well we will leave that for another time.

Ok Chris we get it.... Have fun on Leg and don't forget to keep telling all of your new friends how much SB loves your daughter.

Just leave quietly while the rest of the top gun families do the happy dance. Ding dong the cancer is gone!! My daughter is on the 2020 team and she would kill on the field for for SS. Get your facts straight!! You morans are ruining your kids and I only hope their new coach can teach your uncoachable kid a little lax iQ.. we laugh at you and your facts! Bye bye see you at a tourney ooo wait we won't because you won't be at any competetive tournaments.. #benchwarmersgotogoalmykidsbetterthsnyours2020

Angry much? You're just mad because SS pays more attention to her new puppy at practice than coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Let's list some SS facts: Her best years at Hofstra were her 1st and 3rd years, primarily the previous coaches recruits. Hofstra has been 11-21 the past two seasons. She has had had trouble retaining girls with several girls leaving the team last fall season and has been continuously criticized for her inability to relate and form relationships with her players. Now that her team has had two years with entirely her own recruits she has had two losing seasons. Unfortunately successful coaching at any level requires the ability to form interpersonal relationships with your athletes, relate and inspire them, and ultimately earn their respect. There is a difference between fear and respect and you should never confuse the two. Good coaches earn their players respect, SS on the other hand is feared. Don't believe me, ask any TG player if they are afraid of here and the overwhelming majority will say they are afraid of her.

Her club teams have encountered some problems from a player retention standpoint. Her last strong class of multiple high level top program commits were probably 2016, (though 2020 has had a good start). She is inappropriate on the sidelines often when addressing these young athletes, saying things that comes out callous, and she should try to preserve some of these girls self esteems and help build self confidence instead of tear it down (here come all the kool-aide drinkers, who are going to say your daughter isn't tough enough, but would you let some punk on the street verbally abuse your daughter? then why would you let a person in a coaching/authority role do it?) and it is obvious that though she works for a University, and claims to teach young people athletics and everything that is supposed to go with that (the virtues or sportsmanship, hardwork and respect) she is a poor excuse of any sort of educator.

You can see the disfunction of the father/daughter relationship and the resentment build in this woman. She has little passion for the game left, the only passion is for the survival of the brand to support the people feeding off of it. The father runs to his truck between games to avoid any interaction with parents or players cause as he has expressed many times he hates parents, and they know nothing. In his mind there is only one way and that is the Smith way. And AS....well we will leave that for another time.

Ok Chris we get it.... Have fun on Leg and don't forget to keep telling all of your new friends how much SB loves your daughter.

West Islip's problem now.

Do West Islip a favor go to catholic school

[quote=Anonymous]Just leave quietly while the rest of the top gun families do the happy dance. Ding dong the cancer is gone!! My daughter is on the 2020 team and she would kill on the field for for SS. Get your facts straight!! You morans are ruining your kids and I only hope their new coach can teach your uncoachable kid a little lax iQ.. we laugh at you and your facts! Bye bye see you at a tourney ooo wait we won't because you won't be at any competetive tournaments.. #benchwarmersgotogoalmykidsbetterthsnyours2020[/quote

First off that 2020 TG team have more players w zero lax IQ than any team I have ever seen.Saying your daughter would kill someone for SS ( yes I get it's exaggeration ) tells me your priorities are out of whack. Calm down it's girls lacrosse .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hofstra was 8 and 8 this year playing 5 ranked teams beating Towson. Not exactly a losing Season JERK!!! I understand it's not great, however check out the strength of schedule. They had many good freshmen on the field last year with a few good ones coming in this year. Let this year play out... I'm predicting a winning season and a spot in the conference playoffs. Let's re visit this in February of 2018

Well done.......Facts always Trump the opinions of the cancer parents that exist in club lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just leave quietly while the rest of the top gun families do the happy dance. Ding dong the cancer is gone!! My daughter is on the 2020 team and she would kill on the field for for SS. Get your facts straight!! You morans are ruining your kids and I only hope their new coach can teach your uncoachable kid a little lax iQ.. we laugh at you and your facts! Bye bye see you at a tourney ooo wait we won't because you won't be at any competetive tournaments.. #benchwarmersgotogoalmykidsbetterthsnyours2020

You "moran" can't even spell moron right. Guess that makes you one too.

I have to laugh out loud at the part in this post that says" you can see the dysfunction between the father and daughter" hellllllllo that's calling the kettle black! CD really??? People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks

Take the guy from wantagh with you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's list some SS facts: Her best years at Hofstra were her 1st and 3rd years, primarily the previous coaches recruits. Hofstra has been 11-21 the past two seasons. She has had had trouble retaining girls with several girls leaving the team last fall season and has been continuously criticized for her inability to relate and form relationships with her players. Now that her team has had two years with entirely her own recruits she has had two losing seasons. Unfortunately successful coaching at any level requires the ability to form interpersonal relationships with your athletes, relate and inspire them, and ultimately earn their respect. There is a difference between fear and respect and you should never confuse the two. Good coaches earn their players respect, SS on the other hand is feared. Don't believe me, ask any TG player if they are afraid of here and the overwhelming majority will say they are afraid of her.

Her club teams have encountered some problems from a player retention standpoint. Her last strong class of multiple high level top program commits were probably 2016, (though 2020 has had a good start). She is inappropriate on the sidelines often when addressing these young athletes, saying things that comes out callous, and she should try to preserve some of these girls self esteems and help build self confidence instead of tear it down (here come all the kool-aide drinkers, who are going to say your daughter isn't tough enough, but would you let some punk on the street verbally abuse your daughter? then why would you let a person in a coaching/authority role do it?) and it is obvious that though she works for a University, and claims to teach young people athletics and everything that is supposed to go with that (the virtues or sportsmanship, hardwork and respect) she is a poor excuse of any sort of educator.

You can see the disfunction of the father/daughter relationship and the resentment build in this woman. She has little passion for the game left, the only passion is for the survival of the brand to support the people feeding off of it. The father runs to his truck between games to avoid any interaction with parents or players cause as he has expressed many times he hates parents, and they know nothing. In his mind there is only one way and that is the Smith way. And AS....well we will leave that for another time.

It is a little tough to hammer her on her coaching career at Hofstra so far. She has been there (5) seasons. Keep in mind that her first season was 2013. At that time most of the top talent was already committed by 10th grade (class of 2016) and in some cases by 9th grade (Class of 2017). In my mind her first true class is the freshman from this past year's team. It looks like she has some good talent from that grade and next years freshman class is still TBD. Add to that a very successful SB team at almost a third of the cost as well as better academically, other top flight talent does not stay on LI, great D2 talented teams on LI...etc. Recruiting at Hofstra is difficult. You need to create a winning/successful program like SB and the recruits will come. I think we would all like to see LI girls have success on the next level.

TG 2016 class was a strong group of girls, no doubt. I do not think the 2017's were strong but the 2018 team is very good. They are not in the top 3 (YJ, M&D, Skywalker) but they are easily in the next one or two teams to follow. 2019 is also a strong group, probably in the 5 to 10 range. The problem TG has is that they are not as strong as YJ when it comes to college recruitment. Therefore some of the better talent end up moving to YJ after a couple of years. That to me is the one issue they need to address, although sometimes getting rid of those parents is better for all anyway. In reality though they are still by far the second best option on LI and many girls do go onto to top lacrosse as well as academic institutions. As far as coaching...they cannot win. People come on here and complain about college girls coaching that are always on their cellphones...but on the other hand when SS coaches she is too hard on the girls. As you can see they will never make everyone happy.

Everyone need to make a choice that is best for them. But, let's stop all the bashing because you feel like somehow you and your daughter were wronged. Hopefully you are in a better and happier place so move on. You can go to the YJ thread and find the same crap on there. I can tell you we enjoy our TG experience and have met some wonderful people. Best of luck to your daughter(s)

If getting recruited by a top academic/lax school i would rather take my chances with Liberty

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yes, relating to kids is the most important piece of teaching and communicating. Dictating and having your best three kids win games by going to goal is not getting your money's worth.

Funny......not good if other kids are told go to goal........I guess its ok if its your kid being told go to goal.

SS plays to win at all costs, she believes that's the best way to market the club, if you're not the go to goal kid your irrelevant to her. Many competitive games the bench is very short with 5-7 kids not playing at all - this includes showcase events that don't have a championship format. So if you're willing to drive down to Maryland or Virginia and watch your daughter ride the bench in half the games then it's all good, but being one of the three go to goal kids would be better...

How do you not play a kid in a showcase event? what is she supposed to tell the coaches that she wrote letters when she doesn't play at all in 2 of 4 games? Does anybody really think this is ok?

Not really an impressive year.

Lost to:
Fairfield Ranked 54
Hopkins 18
Maryland R 1
Drexel 51
Delaware 30
JMU 14
Elon 20
SB 4

Beat
Bucknell Ranked 54
Wagner 83
Quinnipiac 100
UNH 70
Central Conn 104
Columbia 42
Towson 21
W and M 71

Not very impressive and nothing indicates next year will be a huge jump.

Reread... kill on the field for SS not sure where you got kill someone???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not really an impressive year.

Lost to:
Fairfield Ranked 54
Hopkins 18
Maryland R 1
Drexel 51
Delaware 30
JMU 14
Elon 20
SB 4

Beat
Bucknell Ranked 54
Wagner 83
Quinnipiac 100
UNH 70
Central Conn 104
Columbia 42
Towson 21
W and M 71

Not very impressive and nothing indicates next year will be a huge jump.

Who the F cares! SS already proved she can play lacrosse. Let's face it, the better girls are not committing to Hofstra. She does the best with what she has. You need to start worrying about your own daughter and why she is sitting on the bench.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take the guy from wantagh with you

Wow, looks like a great group of parents across the board. Looks like everyone wants to cut each other's throats. And you guys call the YJ parents crazy? SMH.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's list some SS facts: Her best years at Hofstra were her 1st and 3rd years, primarily the previous coaches recruits. Hofstra has been 11-21 the past two seasons. She has had had trouble retaining girls with several girls leaving the team last fall season and has been continuously criticized for her inability to relate and form relationships with her players. Now that her team has had two years with entirely her own recruits she has had two losing seasons. Unfortunately successful coaching at any level requires the ability to form interpersonal relationships with your athletes, relate and inspire them, and ultimately earn their respect. There is a difference between fear and respect and you should never confuse the two. Good coaches earn their players respect, SS on the other hand is feared. Don't believe me, ask any TG player if they are afraid of here and the overwhelming majority will say they are afraid of her.

Her club teams have encountered some problems from a player retention standpoint. Her last strong class of multiple high level top program commits were probably 2016, (though 2020 has had a good start). She is inappropriate on the sidelines often when addressing these young athletes, saying things that comes out callous, and she should try to preserve some of these girls self esteems and help build self confidence instead of tear it down (here come all the kool-aide drinkers, who are going to say your daughter isn't tough enough, but would you let some punk on the street verbally abuse your daughter? then why would you let a person in a coaching/authority role do it?) and it is obvious that though she works for a University, and claims to teach young people athletics and everything that is supposed to go with that (the virtues or sportsmanship, hardwork and respect) she is a poor excuse of any sort of educator.

You can see the disfunction of the father/daughter relationship and the resentment build in this woman. She has little passion for the game left, the only passion is for the survival of the brand to support the people feeding off of it. The father runs to his truck between games to avoid any interaction with parents or players cause as he has expressed many times he hates parents, and they know nothing. In his mind there is only one way and that is the Smith way. And AS....well we will leave that for another time.

It is a little tough to hammer her on her coaching career at Hofstra so far. She has been there (5) seasons. Keep in mind that her first season was 2013. At that time most of the top talent was already committed by 10th grade (class of 2016) and in some cases by 9th grade (Class of 2017). In my mind her first true class is the freshman from this past year's team. It looks like she has some good talent from that grade and next years freshman class is still TBD. Add to that a very successful SB team at almost a third of the cost as well as better academically, other top flight talent does not stay on LI, great D2 talented teams on LI...etc. Recruiting at Hofstra is difficult. You need to create a winning/successful program like SB and the recruits will come. I think we would all like to see LI girls have success on the next level.

TG 2016 class was a strong group of girls, no doubt. I do not think the 2017's were strong but the 2018 team is very good. They are not in the top 3 (YJ, M&D, Skywalker) but they are easily in the next one or two teams to follow. 2019 is also a strong group, probably in the 5 to 10 range. The problem TG has is that they are not as strong as YJ when it comes to college recruitment. Therefore some of the better talent end up moving to YJ after a couple of years. That to me is the one issue they need to address, although sometimes getting rid of those parents is better for all anyway. In reality though they are still by far the second best option on LI and many girls do go onto to top lacrosse as well as academic institutions. As far as coaching...they cannot win. People come on here and complain about college girls coaching that are always on their cellphones...but on the other hand when SS coaches she is too hard on the girls. As you can see they will never make everyone happy.

Everyone need to make a choice that is best for them. But, let's stop all the bashing because you feel like somehow you and your daughter were wronged. Hopefully you are in a better and happier place so move on. You can go to the YJ thread and find the same crap on there. I can tell you we enjoy our TG experience and have met some wonderful people. Best of luck to your daughter(s)

If getting recruited by a top academic/lax school i would rather take my chances with Liberty

Perhaps academically if you play for Liberty...because most parents can pay full boat and are happy just t be put on roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's list some SS facts: Her best years at Hofstra were her 1st and 3rd years, primarily the previous coaches recruits. Hofstra has been 11-21 the past two seasons. She has had had trouble retaining girls with several girls leaving the team last fall season and has been continuously criticized for her inability to relate and form relationships with her players. Now that her team has had two years with entirely her own recruits she has had two losing seasons. Unfortunately successful coaching at any level requires the ability to form interpersonal relationships with your athletes, relate and inspire them, and ultimately earn their respect. There is a difference between fear and respect and you should never confuse the two. Good coaches earn their players respect, SS on the other hand is feared. Don't believe me, ask any TG player if they are afraid of here and the overwhelming majority will say they are afraid of her.

Her club teams have encountered some problems from a player retention standpoint. Her last strong class of multiple high level top program commits were probably 2016, (though 2020 has had a good start). She is inappropriate on the sidelines often when addressing these young athletes, saying things that comes out callous, and she should try to preserve some of these girls self esteems and help build self confidence instead of tear it down (here come all the kool-aide drinkers, who are going to say your daughter isn't tough enough, but would you let some punk on the street verbally abuse your daughter? then why would you let a person in a coaching/authority role do it?) and it is obvious that though she works for a University, and claims to teach young people athletics and everything that is supposed to go with that (the virtues or sportsmanship, hardwork and respect) she is a poor excuse of any sort of educator.

You can see the disfunction of the father/daughter relationship and the resentment build in this woman. She has little passion for the game left, the only passion is for the survival of the brand to support the people feeding off of it. The father runs to his truck between games to avoid any interaction with parents or players cause as he has expressed many times he hates parents, and they know nothing. In his mind there is only one way and that is the Smith way. And AS....well we will leave that for another time.

It is a little tough to hammer her on her coaching career at Hofstra so far. She has been there (5) seasons. Keep in mind that her first season was 2013. At that time most of the top talent was already committed by 10th grade (class of 2016) and in some cases by 9th grade (Class of 2017). In my mind her first true class is the freshman from this past year's team. It looks like she has some good talent from that grade and next years freshman class is still TBD. Add to that a very successful SB team at almost a third of the cost as well as better academically, other top flight talent does not stay on LI, great D2 talented teams on LI...etc. Recruiting at Hofstra is difficult. You need to create a winning/successful program like SB and the recruits will come. I think we would all like to see LI girls have success on the next level.

TG 2016 class was a strong group of girls, no doubt. I do not think the 2017's were strong but the 2018 team is very good. They are not in the top 3 (YJ, M&D, Skywalker) but they are easily in the next one or two teams to follow. 2019 is also a strong group, probably in the 5 to 10 range. The problem TG has is that they are not as strong as YJ when it comes to college recruitment. Therefore some of the better talent end up moving to YJ after a couple of years. That to me is the one issue they need to address, although sometimes getting rid of those parents is better for all anyway. In reality though they are still by far the second best option on LI and many girls do go onto to top lacrosse as well as academic institutions. As far as coaching...they cannot win. People come on here and complain about college girls coaching that are always on their cellphones...but on the other hand when SS coaches she is too hard on the girls. As you can see they will never make everyone happy.

Everyone need to make a choice that is best for them. But, let's stop all the bashing because you feel like somehow you and your daughter were wronged. Hopefully you are in a better and happier place so move on. You can go to the YJ thread and find the same crap on there. I can tell you we enjoy our TG experience and have met some wonderful people. Best of luck to your daughter(s)

If getting recruited by a top academic/lax school i would rather take my chances with Liberty

Wow....Thats a new one. Does liberty offer SAT and ACT prep. How does going to Liberty help the recruiting to a academic/lax school. Funny stuff.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take the guy from wantagh with you

Wow, looks like a great group of parents across the board. Looks like everyone wants to cut each other's throats. And you guys call the YJ parents crazy? SMH.

Cmon troll.....most of the nuts on here are YJ parents. Picture fat guy, stained YJ sweatshirt yelling value the ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take the guy from wantagh with you

Wow, looks like a great group of parents across the board. Looks like everyone wants to cut each other's throats. And you guys call the YJ parents crazy? SMH.

Cmon troll.....most of the nuts on here are YJ parents. Picture fat guy, stained YJ sweatshirt yelling value the ball.

That "Value the Ball" guy is the most pathetic of the bunch. For sure. His poor daughter must be mortified every time he shows up with that ridiculous catch phrase.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's list some SS facts: Her best years at Hofstra were her 1st and 3rd years, primarily the previous coaches recruits. Hofstra has been 11-21 the past two seasons. She has had had trouble retaining girls with several girls leaving the team last fall season and has been continuously criticized for her inability to relate and form relationships with her players. Now that her team has had two years with entirely her own recruits she has had two losing seasons. Unfortunately successful coaching at any level requires the ability to form interpersonal relationships with your athletes, relate and inspire them, and ultimately earn their respect. There is a difference between fear and respect and you should never confuse the two. Good coaches earn their players respect, SS on the other hand is feared. Don't believe me, ask any TG player if they are afraid of here and the overwhelming majority will say they are afraid of her.

Her club teams have encountered some problems from a player retention standpoint. Her last strong class of multiple high level top program commits were probably 2016, (though 2020 has had a good start). She is inappropriate on the sidelines often when addressing these young athletes, saying things that comes out callous, and she should try to preserve some of these girls self esteems and help build self confidence instead of tear it down (here come all the kool-aide drinkers, who are going to say your daughter isn't tough enough, but would you let some punk on the street verbally abuse your daughter? then why would you let a person in a coaching/authority role do it?) and it is obvious that though she works for a University, and claims to teach young people athletics and everything that is supposed to go with that (the virtues or sportsmanship, hardwork and respect) she is a poor excuse of any sort of educator.

You can see the disfunction of the father/daughter relationship and the resentment build in this woman. She has little passion for the game left, the only passion is for the survival of the brand to support the people feeding off of it. The father runs to his truck between games to avoid any interaction with parents or players cause as he has expressed many times he hates parents, and they know nothing. In his mind there is only one way and that is the Smith way. And AS....well we will leave that for another time.

It is a little tough to hammer her on her coaching career at Hofstra so far. She has been there (5) seasons. Keep in mind that her first season was 2013. At that time most of the top talent was already committed by 10th grade (class of 2016) and in some cases by 9th grade (Class of 2017). In my mind her first true class is the freshman from this past year's team. It looks like she has some good talent from that grade and next years freshman class is still TBD. Add to that a very successful SB team at almost a third of the cost as well as better academically, other top flight talent does not stay on LI, great D2 talented teams on LI...etc. Recruiting at Hofstra is difficult. You need to create a winning/successful program like SB and the recruits will come. I think we would all like to see LI girls have success on the next level.

TG 2016 class was a strong group of girls, no doubt. I do not think the 2017's were strong but the 2018 team is very good. They are not in the top 3 (YJ, M&D, Skywalker) but they are easily in the next one or two teams to follow. 2019 is also a strong group, probably in the 5 to 10 range. The problem TG has is that they are not as strong as YJ when it comes to college recruitment. Therefore some of the better talent end up moving to YJ after a couple of years. That to me is the one issue they need to address, although sometimes getting rid of those parents is better for all anyway. In reality though they are still by far the second best option on LI and many girls do go onto to top lacrosse as well as academic institutions. As far as coaching...they cannot win. People come on here and complain about college girls coaching that are always on their cellphones...but on the other hand when SS coaches she is too hard on the girls. As you can see they will never make everyone happy.

Everyone need to make a choice that is best for them. But, let's stop all the bashing because you feel like somehow you and your daughter were wronged. Hopefully you are in a better and happier place so move on. You can go to the YJ thread and find the same crap on there. I can tell you we enjoy our TG experience and have met some wonderful people. Best of luck to your daughter(s)

If getting recruited by a top academic/lax school i would rather take my chances with Liberty

Wow....Thats a new one. Does liberty offer SAT and ACT prep. How does going to Liberty help the recruiting to a academic/lax school. Funny stuff.

What's funny is idiots like you thinking Maryland, UNC and Penn State (state should have been a give away) are public schools! Liberty has great relationships with all the Ivy's and many other top schools, most of which find BS and SS to be rude and obnoxious, if your goal is to go to SB, Marist, Fairfield etc. you should be able to accomplish that without a lax stick. Have the lax give your kids better opportunities than that if possible, because with parents like you they are already playing catch up to the rest of the civilized world

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's list some SS facts: Her best years at Hofstra were her 1st and 3rd years, primarily the previous coaches recruits. Hofstra has been 11-21 the past two seasons. She has had had trouble retaining girls with several girls leaving the team last fall season and has been continuously criticized for her inability to relate and form relationships with her players. Now that her team has had two years with entirely her own recruits she has had two losing seasons. Unfortunately successful coaching at any level requires the ability to form interpersonal relationships with your athletes, relate and inspire them, and ultimately earn their respect. There is a difference between fear and respect and you should never confuse the two. Good coaches earn their players respect, SS on the other hand is feared. Don't believe me, ask any TG player if they are afraid of here and the overwhelming majority will say they are afraid of her.

Her club teams have encountered some problems from a player retention standpoint. Her last strong class of multiple high level top program commits were probably 2016, (though 2020 has had a good start). She is inappropriate on the sidelines often when addressing these young athletes, saying things that comes out callous, and she should try to preserve some of these girls self esteems and help build self confidence instead of tear it down (here come all the kool-aide drinkers, who are going to say your daughter isn't tough enough, but would you let some punk on the street verbally abuse your daughter? then why would you let a person in a coaching/authority role do it?) and it is obvious that though she works for a University, and claims to teach young people athletics and everything that is supposed to go with that (the virtues or sportsmanship, hardwork and respect) she is a poor excuse of any sort of educator.

You can see the disfunction of the father/daughter relationship and the resentment build in this woman. She has little passion for the game left, the only passion is for the survival of the brand to support the people feeding off of it. The father runs to his truck between games to avoid any interaction with parents or players cause as he has expressed many times he hates parents, and they know nothing. In his mind there is only one way and that is the Smith way. And AS....well we will leave that for another time.

It is a little tough to hammer her on her coaching career at Hofstra so far. She has been there (5) seasons. Keep in mind that her first season was 2013. At that time most of the top talent was already committed by 10th grade (class of 2016) and in some cases by 9th grade (Class of 2017). In my mind her first true class is the freshman from this past year's team. It looks like she has some good talent from that grade and next years freshman class is still TBD. Add to that a very successful SB team at almost a third of the cost as well as better academically, other top flight talent does not stay on LI, great D2 talented teams on LI...etc. Recruiting at Hofstra is difficult. You need to create a winning/successful program like SB and the recruits will come. I think we would all like to see LI girls have success on the next level.

TG 2016 class was a strong group of girls, no doubt. I do not think the 2017's were strong but the 2018 team is very good. They are not in the top 3 (YJ, M&D, Skywalker) but they are easily in the next one or two teams to follow. 2019 is also a strong group, probably in the 5 to 10 range. The problem TG has is that they are not as strong as YJ when it comes to college recruitment. Therefore some of the better talent end up moving to YJ after a couple of years. That to me is the one issue they need to address, although sometimes getting rid of those parents is better for all anyway. In reality though they are still by far the second best option on LI and many girls do go onto to top lacrosse as well as academic institutions. As far as coaching...they cannot win. People come on here and complain about college girls coaching that are always on their cellphones...but on the other hand when SS coaches she is too hard on the girls. As you can see they will never make everyone happy.

Everyone need to make a choice that is best for them. But, let's stop all the bashing because you feel like somehow you and your daughter were wronged. Hopefully you are in a better and happier place so move on. You can go to the YJ thread and find the same crap on there. I can tell you we enjoy our TG experience and have met some wonderful people. Best of luck to your daughter(s)

If getting recruited by a top academic/lax school i would rather take my chances with Liberty

Wow....Thats a new one. Does liberty offer SAT and ACT prep. How does going to Liberty help the recruiting to a academic/lax school. Funny stuff.

What's funny is idiots like you thinking Maryland, UNC and Penn State (state should have been a give away) are public schools! Liberty has great relationships with all the Ivy's and many other top schools, most of which find BS and SS to be rude and obnoxious, if your goal is to go to SB, Marist, Fairfield etc. you should be able to accomplish that without a lax stick. Have the lax give your kids better opportunities than that if possible, because with parents like you they are already playing catch up to the rest of the civilized world

auto correct - thinking they are private schools

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's list some SS facts: Her best years at Hofstra were her 1st and 3rd years, primarily the previous coaches recruits. Hofstra has been 11-21 the past two seasons. She has had had trouble retaining girls with several girls leaving the team last fall season and has been continuously criticized for her inability to relate and form relationships with her players. Now that her team has had two years with entirely her own recruits she has had two losing seasons. Unfortunately successful coaching at any level requires the ability to form interpersonal relationships with your athletes, relate and inspire them, and ultimately earn their respect. There is a difference between fear and respect and you should never confuse the two. Good coaches earn their players respect, SS on the other hand is feared. Don't believe me, ask any TG player if they are afraid of here and the overwhelming majority will say they are afraid of her.

Her club teams have encountered some problems from a player retention standpoint. Her last strong class of multiple high level top program commits were probably 2016, (though 2020 has had a good start). She is inappropriate on the sidelines often when addressing these young athletes, saying things that comes out callous, and she should try to preserve some of these girls self esteems and help build self confidence instead of tear it down (here come all the kool-aide drinkers, who are going to say your daughter isn't tough enough, but would you let some punk on the street verbally abuse your daughter? then why would you let a person in a coaching/authority role do it?) and it is obvious that though she works for a University, and claims to teach young people athletics and everything that is supposed to go with that (the virtues or sportsmanship, hardwork and respect) she is a poor excuse of any sort of educator.

You can see the disfunction of the father/daughter relationship and the resentment build in this woman. She has little passion for the game left, the only passion is for the survival of the brand to support the people feeding off of it. The father runs to his truck between games to avoid any interaction with parents or players cause as he has expressed many times he hates parents, and they know nothing. In his mind there is only one way and that is the Smith way. And AS....well we will leave that for another time.

It is a little tough to hammer her on her coaching career at Hofstra so far. She has been there (5) seasons. Keep in mind that her first season was 2013. At that time most of the top talent was already committed by 10th grade (class of 2016) and in some cases by 9th grade (Class of 2017). In my mind her first true class is the freshman from this past year's team. It looks like she has some good talent from that grade and next years freshman class is still TBD. Add to that a very successful SB team at almost a third of the cost as well as better academically, other top flight talent does not stay on LI, great D2 talented teams on LI...etc. Recruiting at Hofstra is difficult. You need to create a winning/successful program like SB and the recruits will come. I think we would all like to see LI girls have success on the next level.

TG 2016 class was a strong group of girls, no doubt. I do not think the 2017's were strong but the 2018 team is very good. They are not in the top 3 (YJ, M&D, Skywalker) but they are easily in the next one or two teams to follow. 2019 is also a strong group, probably in the 5 to 10 range. The problem TG has is that they are not as strong as YJ when it comes to college recruitment. Therefore some of the better talent end up moving to YJ after a couple of years. That to me is the one issue they need to address, although sometimes getting rid of those parents is better for all anyway. In reality though they are still by far the second best option on LI and many girls do go onto to top lacrosse as well as academic institutions. As far as coaching...they cannot win. People come on here and complain about college girls coaching that are always on their cellphones...but on the other hand when SS coaches she is too hard on the girls. As you can see they will never make everyone happy.

Everyone need to make a choice that is best for them. But, let's stop all the bashing because you feel like somehow you and your daughter were wronged. Hopefully you are in a better and happier place so move on. You can go to the YJ thread and find the same crap on there. I can tell you we enjoy our TG experience and have met some wonderful people. Best of luck to your daughter(s)

If getting recruited by a top academic/lax school i would rather take my chances with Liberty

Wow....Thats a new one. Does liberty offer SAT and ACT prep. How does going to Liberty help the recruiting to a academic/lax school. Funny stuff.

What's funny is idiots like you thinking Maryland, UNC and Penn State (state should have been a give away) are public schools! Liberty has great relationships with all the Ivy's and many other top schools, most of which find BS and SS to be rude and obnoxious, if your goal is to go to SB, Marist, Fairfield etc. you should be able to accomplish that without a lax stick. Have the lax give your kids better opportunities than that if possible, because with parents like you they are already playing catch up to the rest of the civilized world

The only problem is that Liberty girls are a big step behind TG girls talent wise. Coaches recruit to win, not because they like the travel coach. Plenty of TG girls going Ivy.

The Liberty coach- owner is Very good friends with the Penn coach as well as the USC coach .
She makes that phone call for you. Don't forget the Manhasset alum at the iveys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Liberty coach- owner is Very good friends with the Penn coach as well as the USC coach .
She makes that phone call for you. Don't forget the Manhasset alum at the iveys.

Phone call doesn't matter if you suck

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's list some SS facts: Her best years at Hofstra were her 1st and 3rd years, primarily the previous coaches recruits. Hofstra has been 11-21 the past two seasons. She has had had trouble retaining girls with several girls leaving the team last fall season and has been continuously criticized for her inability to relate and form relationships with her players. Now that her team has had two years with entirely her own recruits she has had two losing seasons. Unfortunately successful coaching at any level requires the ability to form interpersonal relationships with your athletes, relate and inspire them, and ultimately earn their respect. There is a difference between fear and respect and you should never confuse the two. Good coaches earn their players respect, SS on the other hand is feared. Don't believe me, ask any TG player if they are afraid of here and the overwhelming majority will say they are afraid of her.

Her club teams have encountered some problems from a player retention standpoint. Her last strong class of multiple high level top program commits were probably 2016, (though 2020 has had a good start). She is inappropriate on the sidelines often when addressing these young athletes, saying things that comes out callous, and she should try to preserve some of these girls self esteems and help build self confidence instead of tear it down (here come all the kool-aide drinkers, who are going to say your daughter isn't tough enough, but would you let some punk on the street verbally abuse your daughter? then why would you let a person in a coaching/authority role do it?) and it is obvious that though she works for a University, and claims to teach young people athletics and everything that is supposed to go with that (the virtues or sportsmanship, hardwork and respect) she is a poor excuse of any sort of educator.

You can see the disfunction of the father/daughter relationship and the resentment build in this woman. She has little passion for the game left, the only passion is for the survival of the brand to support the people feeding off of it. The father runs to his truck between games to avoid any interaction with parents or players cause as he has expressed many times he hates parents, and they know nothing. In his mind there is only one way and that is the Smith way. And AS....well we will leave that for another time.

It is a little tough to hammer her on her coaching career at Hofstra so far. She has been there (5) seasons. Keep in mind that her first season was 2013. At that time most of the top talent was already committed by 10th grade (class of 2016) and in some cases by 9th grade (Class of 2017). In my mind her first true class is the freshman from this past year's team. It looks like she has some good talent from that grade and next years freshman class is still TBD. Add to that a very successful SB team at almost a third of the cost as well as better academically, other top flight talent does not stay on LI, great D2 talented teams on LI...etc. Recruiting at Hofstra is difficult. You need to create a winning/successful program like SB and the recruits will come. I think we would all like to see LI girls have success on the next level.

TG 2016 class was a strong group of girls, no doubt. I do not think the 2017's were strong but the 2018 team is very good. They are not in the top 3 (YJ, M&D, Skywalker) but they are easily in the next one or two teams to follow. 2019 is also a strong group, probably in the 5 to 10 range. The problem TG has is that they are not as strong as YJ when it comes to college recruitment. Therefore some of the better talent end up moving to YJ after a couple of years. That to me is the one issue they need to address, although sometimes getting rid of those parents is better for all anyway. In reality though they are still by far the second best option on LI and many girls do go onto to top lacrosse as well as academic institutions. As far as coaching...they cannot win. People come on here and complain about college girls coaching that are always on their cellphones...but on the other hand when SS coaches she is too hard on the girls. As you can see they will never make everyone happy.

Everyone need to make a choice that is best for them. But, let's stop all the bashing because you feel like somehow you and your daughter were wronged. Hopefully you are in a better and happier place so move on. You can go to the YJ thread and find the same crap on there. I can tell you we enjoy our TG experience and have met some wonderful people. Best of luck to your daughter(s)

If getting recruited by a top academic/lax school i would rather take my chances with Liberty

Wow....Thats a new one. Does liberty offer SAT and ACT prep. How does going to Liberty help the recruiting to a academic/lax school. Funny stuff.

What's funny is idiots like you thinking Maryland, UNC and Penn State (state should have been a give away) are public schools! Liberty has great relationships with all the Ivy's and many other top schools, most of which find BS and SS to be rude and obnoxious, if your goal is to go to SB, Marist, Fairfield etc. you should be able to accomplish that without a lax stick. Have the lax give your kids better opportunities than that if possible, because with parents like you they are already playing catch up to the rest of the civilized world

The only problem is that Liberty girls are a big step behind TG girls talent wise. Coaches recruit to win, not because they like the travel coach. Plenty of TG girls going Ivy.

Since the TG players are so much better I guess the club director matters, since Liberty has twice as many Ivy's as TG since 2013...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take the guy from wantagh with you

Wow, looks like a great group of parents across the board. Looks like everyone wants to cut each other's throats. And you guys call the YJ parents crazy? SMH.

Cmon troll.....most of the nuts on here are YJ parents. Picture fat guy, stained YJ sweatshirt yelling value the ball.

You just described **** The funny thing is you are a coward to speak up to him as much as the YJ parents you despise .

Very funny you say that I have heard him and his partner
Smash another coach in the organization. Sad part he is the West Islip Coach. There daughters are decent players but not the All Americans they think they are. Gook Luck at Legacy or YJ

Yet another obligation to take SS away from the club:
http://www.womensprofessionallacrosseleague.com/news_article/show/823868?referrer_id=3329007

Was already a coach for other league until good pal CR showed her the door.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very funny you say that I have heard him and his partner
Smash another coach in the organization. Sad part he is the West Islip Coach. There daughters are decent players but not the All Americans they think they are. Gook Luck at Legacy or YJ

Quite obvious your are trying to sabotage them and you have an agenda beyond TG and seems rooted in hurting them in regards to West Islip. We have shared a sideline with them, and yes they are an acquired taste, but our daughter really liked playing with their girls and they were good kids. They have left, drop it already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very funny you say that I have heard him and his partner
Smash another coach in the organization. Sad part he is the West Islip Coach. There daughters are decent players but not the All Americans they think they are. Gook Luck at Legacy or YJ

Quite obvious your are trying to sabotage them and you have an agenda beyond TG and seems rooted in hurting them in regards to West Islip. We have shared a sideline with them, and yes they are an acquired taste, but our daughter really liked playing with their girls and they were good kids. They have left, drop it already.

Wait? The wi dads who's daughters should have commited in 8th grade have left tg??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very funny you say that I have heard him and his partner
Smash another coach in the organization. Sad part he is the West Islip Coach. There daughters are decent players but not the All Americans they think they are. Gook Luck at Legacy or YJ

Quite obvious your are trying to sabotage them and you have an agenda beyond TG and seems rooted in hurting them in regards to West Islip. We have shared a sideline with them, and yes they are an acquired taste, but our daughter really liked playing with their girls and they were good kids. They have left, drop it already.

Wait? The wi dads who's daughters should have commited in 8th grade have left tg??

Yes to a non competitive team with no commits.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very funny you say that I have heard him and his partner
Smash another coach in the organization. Sad part he is the West Islip Coach. There daughters are decent players but not the All Americans they think they are. Gook Luck at Legacy or YJ

Quite obvious your are trying to sabotage them and you have an agenda beyond TG and seems rooted in hurting them in regards to West Islip. We have shared a sideline with them, and yes they are an acquired taste, but our daughter really liked playing with their girls and they were good kids. They have left, drop it already.

Wait? The wi dads who's daughters should have commited in 8th grade have left tg??

Yes to a non competitive team with no commits.

If your goal is to go to Hofstra or maybe Towson then TG is the right place for you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very funny you say that I have heard him and his partner
Smash another coach in the organization. Sad part he is the West Islip Coach. There daughters are decent players but not the All Americans they think they are. Gook Luck at Legacy or YJ

Quite obvious your are trying to sabotage them and you have an agenda beyond TG and seems rooted in hurting them in regards to West Islip. We have shared a sideline with them, and yes they are an acquired taste, but our daughter really liked playing with their girls and they were good kids. They have left, drop it already.

Wait? The wi dads who's daughters should have commited in 8th grade have left tg??

Yes to a non competitive team with no commits.

Both teams have same number of commits (0). YJ only team at this age on LI with commits. TG and Leg a Sea are similarly competitive/non-competitve. Wouldn't be surprised is Leg a Sea ends up beating TG head to head, when you take away the 2020 girls TG had at U14 they didn't have much talent left, maybe the goalie was decent, but other than that not much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very funny you say that I have heard him and his partner
Smash another coach in the organization. Sad part he is the West Islip Coach. There daughters are decent players but not the All Americans they think they are. Gook Luck at Legacy or YJ

Quite obvious your are trying to sabotage them and you have an agenda beyond TG and seems rooted in hurting them in regards to West Islip. We have shared a sideline with them, and yes they are an acquired taste, but our daughter really liked playing with their girls and they were good kids. They have left, drop it already.

Wait? The wi dads who's daughters should have commited in 8th grade have left tg??

Yes to a non competitive team with no commits.

Both teams have same number of commits (0). YJ only team at this age on LI with commits. TG and Leg a Sea are similarly competitive/non-competitve. Wouldn't be surprised is Leg a Sea ends up beating TG head to head, when you take away the 2020 girls TG had at U14 they didn't have much talent left, maybe the goalie was decent, but other than that not much.

Looking for the Leg commit page? Where can I find it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Very funny you say that I have heard him and his partner
Smash another coach in the organization. Sad part he is the West Islip Coach. There daughters are decent players but not the All Americans they think they are. Gook Luck at Legacy or YJ

Quite obvious your are trying to sabotage them and you have an agenda beyond TG and seems rooted in hurting them in regards to West Islip. We have shared a sideline with them, and yes they are an acquired taste, but our daughter really liked playing with their girls and they were good kids. They have left, drop it already.

Wait? The wi dads who's daughters should have commited in 8th grade have left tg??

Yes to a non competitive team with no commits.

Both teams have same number of commits (0). YJ only team at this age on LI with commits. TG and Leg a Sea are similarly competitive/non-competitve. Wouldn't be surprised is Leg a Sea ends up beating TG head to head, when you take away the 2020 girls TG had at U14 they didn't have much talent left, maybe the goalie was decent, but other than that not much.

That's very insulting to the YJ team 3 2020 TG girls kept the game close. That's not saying much about the YJ 21 team that also needed a 2020 girl on the draw circle to win a very close game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very funny you say that I have heard him and his partner
Smash another coach in the organization. Sad part he is the West Islip Coach. There daughters are decent players but not the All Americans they think they are. Gook Luck at Legacy or YJ

Quite obvious your are trying to sabotage them and you have an agenda beyond TG and seems rooted in hurting them in regards to West Islip. We have shared a sideline with them, and yes they are an acquired taste, but our daughter really liked playing with their girls and they were good kids. They have left, drop it already.

Wait? The wi dads who's daughters should have commited in 8th grade have left tg??

Yes to a non competitive team with no commits.

Both teams have same number of commits (0). YJ only team at this age on LI with commits. TG and Leg a Sea are similarly competitive/non-competitve. Wouldn't be surprised is Leg a Sea ends up beating TG head to head, when you take away the 2020 girls TG had at U14 they didn't have much talent left, maybe the goalie was decent, but other than that not much.

Looking for the Leg commit page? Where can I find it?

Oldest team is 2020, they have a few.

TG crushed Legacy at summer Genesis. SS wanted payback on old coach for leaving a couple of years back

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Very funny you say that I have heard him and his partner
Smash another coach in the organization. Sad part he is the West Islip Coach. There daughters are decent players but not the All Americans they think they are. Gook Luck at Legacy or YJ

Quite obvious your are trying to sabotage them and you have an agenda beyond TG and seems rooted in hurting them in regards to West Islip. We have shared a sideline with them, and yes they are an acquired taste, but our daughter really liked playing with their girls and they were good kids. They have left, drop it already.

Wait? The wi dads who's daughters should have commited in 8th grade have left tg??

Yes to a non competitive team with no commits.

Both teams have same number of commits (0). YJ only team at this age on LI with commits. TG and Leg a Sea are similarly competitive/non-competitve. Wouldn't be surprised is Leg a Sea ends up beating TG head to head, when you take away the 2020 girls TG had at U14 they didn't have much talent left, maybe the goalie was decent, but other than that not much.

Looking for the Leg commit page? Where can I find it?

Oldest team is 2020, they have a few.

Where is the list on their web site

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Very funny you say that I have heard him and his partner
Smash another coach in the organization. Sad part he is the West Islip Coach. There daughters are decent players but not the All Americans they think they are. Gook Luck at Legacy or YJ

Quite obvious your are trying to sabotage them and you have an agenda beyond TG and seems rooted in hurting them in regards to West Islip. We have shared a sideline with them, and yes they are an acquired taste, but our daughter really liked playing with their girls and they were good kids. They have left, drop it already.

Wait? The wi dads who's daughters should have commited in 8th grade have left tg??

They did commit to Leg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Very funny you say that I have heard him and his partner
Smash another coach in the organization. Sad part he is the West Islip Coach. There daughters are decent players but not the All Americans they think they are. Gook Luck at Legacy or YJ

Quite obvious your are trying to sabotage them and you have an agenda beyond TG and seems rooted in hurting them in regards to West Islip. We have shared a sideline with them, and yes they are an acquired taste, but our daughter really liked playing with their girls and they were good kids. They have left, drop it already.

Wait? The wi dads who's daughters should have commited in 8th grade have left tg??

Yes to a non competitive team with no commits.

If your goal is to go to Hofstra or maybe Towson then TG is the right place for you

2019 YJ have more commits to Hofstra than TG.

New to lax travel teams...

So post-tryouts : I noticed TG's 1st payment is due by sep 15. YJ tryouts aren't until late October. We are looking at several teams with some looking more reasonable with a payment due once one commits to a team.

Seriously now, assuming my kid makes TG, I guess the first test for SS is if she will wait for us to tryout out for YJ.

Are payments refundable? Sadly, I think I know the answers to all of the above. [ stir, stir ]

[posting this on YJ too]

[quote=Anonymous]New to lax travel teams...

So post-tryouts : I noticed TG's 1st payment is due by sep 15. YJ tryouts aren't until late October. We are looking at several teams with some looking more reasonable with a payment due once one commits to a team.

Seriously now, assuming my kid makes TG, I guess the first test for SS is if she will wait for us to tryout out for YJ.

Are payments refundable? Sadly, I think I know the answers to all of the above. [ stir, stir ]

[posting this on YJ too

You would really expect any club to hold your daughters spot for 3 months while you decide what to do. So some other girl is not offered a spot as they hold one for your daughter. Its all about you.

Wrong, not all about me. And you are to have me believe you read YJ and TG boards and its always all about your team? Never you?

Let me guess. When you were new to travel you committed to the first one that accepted your daughter. Or, you didn't tryout for any program other than the one you KNEW you were guaranteed to make. So your logic would be to wait until October to tryout for YJ passing up all the other team tryouts. On top of it all, you seem to suggest that these directors are telling everyone not to try out if you think there is even a chance you won't make it--essentially tryout for the team that is guaranteed to take you AND your first choice. I don't think this is the case nor do I think anyone would subscribe to this based on what I've read so far on this board.

By the way, my kid is a 2024 and pretty athletic and if you ask me, so I have no real way of determining her chances other than trying out (did very well in PAL but not saying it was a relevant gauge). That's why they call it tryouts.

Loving LI BOTC by the way.. this is awesome! I see now more than 11 million page views. Lots of good stuff and clear to me there are teams that stand out as a lacrosse utopia. All good.

Pretty simple. If you make TG you pay the $500. If you make YJ in October, you lose $500 that you paid. Other clubs want you to pay the club fee in full.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty simple. If you make TG you pay the $500. If you make YJ in October, you lose $500 that you paid. Other clubs want you to pay the club fee in full.

makes sense to me. That way SS will give his/her $500 to the poor girl with the box of tissues on the non-existent wait list. Makes everyone feel better. Yeah, and no hard feelings on either side. That girl will also be forever grateful to your family for being so gracious.
Great way to make a splash in the world of kiddie sports. 4th grade is it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty simple. If you make TG you pay the $500. If you make YJ in October, you lose $500 that you paid. Other clubs want you to pay the club fee in full.

makes sense to me. That way SS will give his/her $500 to the poor girl with the box of tissues on the non-existent wait list. Makes everyone feel better. Yeah, and no hard feelings on either side. That girl will also be forever grateful to your family for being so gracious.
Great way to make a splash in the world of kiddie sports. 4th grade is it?

The kids may be in 4th grade but the crazed and sometimes delusional parents are wheeling and dealing thinking that travel lacrosse is the end all..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty simple. If you make TG you pay the $500. If you make YJ in October, you lose $500 that you paid. Other clubs want you to pay the club fee in full.

makes sense to me. That way SS will give his/her $500 to the poor girl with the box of tissues on the non-existent wait list. Makes everyone feel better. Yeah, and no hard feelings on either side. That girl will also be forever grateful to your family for being so gracious.
Great way to make a splash in the world of kiddie sports. 4th grade is it?

It's a business and the sooner you realize that the better. It's always about the money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong, not all about me. And you are to have me believe you read YJ and TG boards and its always all about your team? Never you?

Let me guess. When you were new to travel you committed to the first one that accepted your daughter. Or, you didn't tryout for any program other than the one you KNEW you were guaranteed to make. So your logic would be to wait until October to tryout for YJ passing up all the other team tryouts. On top of it all, you seem to suggest that these directors are telling everyone not to try out if you think there is even a chance you won't make it--essentially tryout for the team that is guaranteed to take you AND your first choice. I don't think this is the case nor do I think anyone would subscribe to this based on what I've read so far on this board.

By the way, my kid is a 2024 and pretty athletic and if you ask me, so I have no real way of determining her chances other than trying out (did very well in PAL but not saying it was a relevant gauge). That's why they call it tryouts.

Loving LI BOTC by the way.. this is awesome! I see now more than 11 million page views. Lots of good stuff and clear to me there are teams that stand out as a lacrosse utopia. All good.

From the sound of your email it's highly doubtful you'll be happy anywhere so just take the first spot that comes along and see how goes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]New to lax travel teams...

So post-tryouts : I noticed TG's 1st payment is due by sep 15. YJ tryouts aren't until late October. We are looking at several teams with some looking more reasonable with a payment due once one commits to a team.

Seriously now, assuming my kid makes TG, I guess the first test for SS is if she will wait for us to tryout out for YJ.

Are payments refundable? Sadly, I think I know the answers to all of the above. [ stir, stir ]

[posting this on YJ too

You would really expect any club to hold your daughters spot for 3 months while you decide what to do. So some other girl is not offered a spot as they hold one for your daughter. Its all about you.

If your kid is good enough they will wait for the money, always have

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty simple. If you make TG you pay the $500. If you make YJ in October, you lose $500 that you paid. Other clubs want you to pay the club fee in full.

who asks for all the tuition fee upfront?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Very funny you say that I have heard him and his partner
Smash another coach in the organization. Sad part he is the West Islip Coach. There daughters are decent players but not the All Americans they think they are. Gook Luck at Legacy or YJ

Quite obvious your are trying to sabotage them and you have an agenda beyond TG and seems rooted in hurting them in regards to West Islip. We have shared a sideline with them, and yes they are an acquired taste, but our daughter really liked playing with their girls and they were good kids. They have left, drop it already.

Wait? The wi dads who's daughters should have commited in 8th grade have left tg??

Yes to a non competitive team with no commits.

If your goal is to go to Hofstra or maybe Towson then TG is the right place for you

2019 YJ have more commits to Hofstra than TG.

Those must be second and third team kids! she can't get her own blue chip players to go there, that's all you need to know

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Pretty simple. If you make TG you pay the $500. If you make YJ in October, you lose $500 that you paid. Other clubs want you to pay the club fee in full.

who asks for all the tuition fee upfront?

Upon acceptance of a position every club will ask for the tuition. If you don't pay yellow jackets they remove you from the roster they don't care how good you are

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty simple. If you make TG you pay the $500. If you make YJ in October, you lose $500 that you paid. Other clubs want you to pay the club fee in full.

who asks for all the tuition fee upfront?

I heard most other clubs hold a few spots open to catch the disgruntled yellow jackets that get demoted, is is that true?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Pretty simple. If you make TG you pay the $500. If you make YJ in October, you lose $500 that you paid. Other clubs want you to pay the club fee in full.

who asks for all the tuition fee upfront?

Upon acceptance of a position every club will ask for the tuition. If you don't pay yellow jackets they remove you from the roster they don't care how good you are

But they give you 1 month to make the decision.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Very funny you say that I have heard him and his partner
Smash another coach in the organization. Sad part he is the West Islip Coach. There daughters are decent players but not the All Americans they think they are. Gook Luck at Legacy or YJ

Quite obvious your are trying to sabotage them and you have an agenda beyond TG and seems rooted in hurting them in regards to West Islip. We have shared a sideline with them, and yes they are an acquired taste, but our daughter really liked playing with their girls and they were good kids. They have left, drop it already.

Wait? The wi dads who's daughters should have commited in 8th grade have left tg??

Yes to a non competitive team with no commits.

If your goal is to go to Hofstra or maybe Towson then TG is the right place for you

2019 YJ have more commits to Hofstra than TG.

Those must be second and third team kids! she can't get her own blue chip players to go there, that's all you need to know

yj 2019 a going to Hofstra. Tg black has 3 going to sb

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Pretty simple. If you make TG you pay the $500. If you make YJ in October, you lose $500 that you paid. Other clubs want you to pay the club fee in full.

who asks for all the tuition fee upfront?

Upon acceptance of a position every club will ask for the tuition. If you don't pay yellow jackets they remove you from the roster they don't care how good you are

NO club is asking you for ALL the money up front! YJ takes a chunk up front like everyone else and then you pay the rest off

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Pretty simple. If you make TG you pay the $500. If you make YJ in October, you lose $500 that you paid. Other clubs want you to pay the club fee in full.

who asks for all the tuition fee upfront?

Upon acceptance of a position every club will ask for the tuition. If you don't pay yellow jackets they remove you from the roster they don't care how good you are

But they give you 1 month to make the decision.

Yes the decision is take it or leave it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Pretty simple. If you make TG you pay the $500. If you make YJ in October, you lose $500 that you paid. Other clubs want you to pay the club fee in full.

who asks for all the tuition fee upfront?

Upon acceptance of a position every club will ask for the tuition. If you don't pay yellow jackets they remove you from the roster they don't care how good you are

NO club is asking you for ALL the money up front! YJ takes a chunk up front like everyone else and then you pay the rest off

True but no team is holding a spot for your daughter without a payment being made.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty simple. If you make TG you pay the $500. If you make YJ in October, you lose $500 that you paid. Other clubs want you to pay the club fee in full.

you will end up at YJ either way, so don't waste $500 to hold a spot unless you don't care about donating $500 to the smiths

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty simple. If you make TG you pay the $500. If you make YJ in October, you lose $500 that you paid. Other clubs want you to pay the club fee in full.

you will end up at YJ either way, so don't waste $500 to hold a spot unless you don't care about donating $500 to the smiths

Why would anyone want to be on YJ, they only care about a handful of girls, the rest are just cheerleaders.

We are like the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders and you are like the Cleveland Browns squad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are like the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders and you are like the Cleveland Browns squad

Ummm..... my daughter is on TG 2023, I think you may have that backwards

Ok , so maybe one age group. How did igloo work out. Congrats now you are J E T S

[quote=Anonymous]Ok , so maybe one age group. How did igloo work out. Congrats now you are J E T S

Igloo worked out fine beat them 2 out of 3 times. Igloo beat you twice second time was a smack down. Good luck with YJ being the 3rd best team on Long Island ain't bad.

In only 2023 group. So stand proud

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Ok , so maybe one age group. How did igloo work out. Congrats now you are J E T S

Igloo worked out fine beat them 2 out of 3 times. Igloo beat you twice second time was a smack down. Good luck with YJ being the 3rd best team on Long Island ain't bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Ok , so maybe one age group. How did igloo work out. Congrats now you are J E T S

Igloo worked out fine beat them 2 out of 3 times. Igloo beat you twice second time was a smack down. Good luck with YJ being the 3rd best team on Long Island ain't bad.

I would bet any amount of money Igloo will not be in this conversation in 2-3 years. Even TG teams have had shining stars bust on the scene only to burn out, but they are overall a much, much stronger option as a club than Igloo. All teams being about equal in this age really doesn't mean much and college coaches certainly know nothing of this, would still go with YJ as top choice, TG as second, about three or four clubs next, then Igloo.

Your daughter is a 2023 and your talking about college coaches ? Slow down mom

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your daughter is a 2023 and your talking about college coaches ? Slow down mom

You know it! TG 2023 is the best team in LI (with Igloo) for a reason. Both have the best girls on the Island. Both didn't buy into the YJ BS and have very dedicated players who get the job done. YJ is a hot mess, a shame for the girls having to deal with big egos and daddy ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your daughter is a 2023 and your talking about college coaches ? Slow down mom

You know it! TG 2023 is the best team in LI (with Igloo) for a reason. Both have the best girls on the Island. Both didn't buy into the YJ BS and have very dedicated players who get the job done. YJ is a hot mess, a shame for the girls having to deal with big egos and daddy ball.

Hilarious . Every couple years (see TG 2020) some moron comes on here declaring TG team still wearing diapers is the best team blah blah. Then a couple kids of the better players realize they don't want to go to Hofstra and the next thing you know the same moron is posting that no college coach cares if your team wins or not. Your best players will be leaving soon and you will then finally shut up .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your daughter is a 2023 and your talking about college coaches ? Slow down mom

You know it! TG 2023 is the best team in LI (with Igloo) for a reason. Both have the best girls on the Island. Both didn't buy into the YJ BS and have very dedicated players who get the job done. YJ is a hot mess, a shame for the girls having to deal with big egos and daddy ball.

Hilarious . Every couple years (see TG 2020) some moron comes on here declaring TG team still wearing diapers is the best team blah blah. Then a couple kids of the better players realize they don't want to go to Hofstra and the next thing you know the same moron is posting that no college coach cares if your team wins or not. Your best players will be leaving soon and you will then finally shut up .

Then how do you explain ZERO TG girls leaving for YJ but good YJ players (girls that actually play) leaving YJ for TG?? With more to follow next weekend. Plenty of TG are going to top schools. The girls going to Hofstra may want to stay close. Plenty of YJs going to mediocre schools with no money. Think your claims are not backed by any actual facts

Girls are leaving YJ 2023 because the coaching is atrocious.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Girls are leaving YJ 2023 because the coaching is atrocious.

And with the new coach bringing his daughter along with the MS girls to the YJ Blue team, the parents will be begging for Giacolone to be brought back. Be careful what you parents wish for.....even worse times ahead on the horizon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your daughter is a 2023 and your talking about college coaches ? Slow down mom

You know it! TG 2023 is the best team in LI (with Igloo) for a reason. Both have the best girls on the Island. Both didn't buy into the YJ BS and have very dedicated players who get the job done. YJ is a hot mess, a shame for the girls having to deal with big egos and daddy ball.

Hilarious . Every couple years (see TG 2020) some moron comes on here declaring TG team still wearing diapers is the best team blah blah. Then a couple kids of the better players realize they don't want to go to Hofstra and the next thing you know the same moron is posting that no college coach cares if your team wins or not. Your best players will be leaving soon and you will then finally shut up .

Hilarious. Triggered.

What is wrong with Igloo?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your daughter is a 2023 and your talking about college coaches ? Slow down mom

You know it! TG 2023 is the best team in LI (with Igloo) for a reason. Both have the best girls on the Island. Both didn't buy into the YJ BS and have very dedicated players who get the job done. YJ is a hot mess, a shame for the girls having to deal with big egos and daddy ball.

Hilarious . Every couple years (see TG 2020) some moron comes on here declaring TG team still wearing diapers is the best team blah blah. Then a couple kids of the better players realize they don't want to go to Hofstra and the next thing you know the same moron is posting that no college coach cares if your team wins or not. Your best players will be leaving soon and you will then finally shut up .

is that you west Hampton?

[quote=Privacy]What is wrong with Igloo?

Daddy coach, one team club , team very dependent on one player, no brand name, no recruiting track record

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Privacy]What is wrong with Igloo?

Daddy coach, one team club , team very dependent on one player, no brand name, no recruiting track record

All very valid points except for one, beat down yellow jacket blue by a huge margin and was not even a close game! Now the YJ team will come out and say it was all about one girl but in reality says they don't have the talent, the horses or the coaching to beat one player very very sad! At the end of the day there are better options out there people! YJ has way too many small girls that can't compete at the higher level who should be on the B team but won't be moved down because of the friends and family connection

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your daughter is a 2023 and your talking about college coaches ? Slow down mom

You know it! TG 2023 is the best team in LI (with Igloo) for a reason. Both have the best girls on the Island. Both didn't buy into the YJ BS and have very dedicated players who get the job done. YJ is a hot mess, a shame for the girls having to deal with big egos and daddy ball.

Hilarious . Every couple years (see TG 2020) some moron comes on here declaring TG team still wearing diapers is the best team blah blah. Then a couple kids of the better players realize they don't want to go to Hofstra and the next thing you know the same moron is posting that no college coach cares if your team wins or not. Your best players will be leaving soon and you will then finally shut up .

is that you west Hampton?

Carnac says "The question your wife asks when she actually gets satisfied" ? How do you live with yourself being such a coward to be too afraid to confront a person who abuses you and worse your wife .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Privacy]What is wrong with Igloo?

Daddy coach, one team club , team very dependent on one player, no brand name, no recruiting track record

All very valid points except for one, beat down yellow jacket blue by a huge margin and was not even a close game! Now the YJ team will come out and say it was all about one girl but in reality says they don't have the talent, the horses or the coaching to beat one playervery very sad! At the end of the day there are better options out there people! YJ has way too many small girls that can't compete at the higher level who should be on the B team but won't be moved down because of the friends and family connection

Are you dense? How does what you said even remotely say anything different about igloo . We get it you hate YJ because your kid either barely plays or can't make the top team.

I can't be believe how stupid people are. Igloo went down to Richmond and won all there game as the 'Ship. Not about 1 girl - but a team with a lot of very good players that play well was a team. Oh and by the way Elite 80!in November will have the top head coaches there. So I guess they do have access.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Privacy]What is wrong with Igloo?

Daddy coach, one team club , team very dependent on one player, no brand name, no recruiting track record

All very valid points except for one, beat down yellow jacket blue by a huge margin and was not even a close game! Now the YJ team will come out and say it was all about one girl but in reality says they don't have the talent, the horses or the coaching to beat one playervery very sad! At the end of the day there are better options out there people! YJ has way too many small girls that can't compete at the higher level who should be on the B team but won't be moved down because of the friends and family connection

Are you dense? How does what you said even remotely say anything different about igloo . We get it you hate YJ because your kid either barely plays or can't make the top team.

Ouch struck a nerve? We get it you're angry and embarrassed because your team imhas become the laughingstock of the YJ organization . Unfortunately the slide will continue unless some drastic measures are taken. If the girls who say they're leaving actually do leave this team will be nothing more than just a glorified PAL team with a daddy coach

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Privacy]What is wrong with Igloo?

Daddy coach, one team club , team very dependent on one player, no brand name, no recruiting track record

All very valid points except for one, beat down yellow jacket blue by a huge margin and was not even a close game! Now the YJ team will come out and say it was all about one girl but in reality says they don't have the talent, the horses or the coaching to beat one playervery very sad! At the end of the day there are better options out there people! YJ has way too many small girls that can't compete at the higher level who should be on the B team but won't be moved down because of the friends and family connection

Are you dense? How does what you said even remotely say anything different about igloo . We get it you hate YJ because your kid either barely plays or can't make the top team.

Ouch struck a nerve? We get it you're angry and embarrassed because your team imhas become the laughingstock of the YJ organization . Unfortunately the slide will continue unless some drastic measures are taken. If the girls who say they're leaving actually do leave this team will be nothing more than just a glorified PAL team with a daddy coach

That's the truth, the reasons people hate YJ and are enjoying watching the team implode, is due to the elitist attitude of the parents, players, and coaches. They did this to themselves and I'm enjoying every second of it. No my daughter does not play on YJ and never will, but does enjoy beating them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Privacy]What is wrong with Igloo?

Daddy coach, one team club , team very dependent on one player, no brand name, no recruiting track record

All very valid points except for one, beat down yellow jacket blue by a huge margin and was not even a close game! Now the YJ team will come out and say it was all about one girl but in reality says they don't have the talent, the horses or the coaching to beat one playervery very sad! At the end of the day there are better options out there people! YJ has way too many small girls that can't compete at the higher level who should be on the B team but won't be moved down because of the friends and family connection

Are you dense? How does what you said even remotely say anything different about igloo . We get it you hate YJ because your kid either barely plays or can't make the top team.

Ouch struck a nerve? We get it you're angry and embarrassed because your team imhas become the laughingstock of the YJ organization . Unfortunately the slide will continue unless some drastic measures are taken. If the girls who say they're leaving actually do leave this team will be nothing more than just a glorified PAL team with a daddy coach

The slide might continue, but at some point you become a middle school player with HS aspirations and realize that if you don't play YJ you get very little love at the HS level, because your coaches are also YJ coaches, it sucks, but it's very smart on CR part

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Privacy]What is wrong with Igloo?

Daddy coach, one team club , team very dependent on one player, no brand name, no recruiting track record

All very valid points except for one, beat down yellow jacket blue by a huge margin and was not even a close game! Now the YJ team will come out and say it was all about one girl but in reality says they don't have the talent, the horses or the coaching to beat one playervery very sad! At the end of the day there are better options out there people! YJ has way too many small girls that can't compete at the higher level who should be on the B team but won't be moved down because of the friends and family connection

Are you dense? How does what you said even remotely say anything different about igloo . We get it you hate YJ because your kid either barely plays or can't make the top team.

Ouch struck a nerve? We get it you're angry and embarrassed because your team imhas become the laughingstock of the YJ organization . Unfortunately the slide will continue unless some drastic measures are taken. If the girls who say they're leaving actually do leave this team will be nothing more than just a glorified PAL team with a daddy coach

The slide might continue, but at some point you become a middle school player with HS aspirations and realize that if you don't play YJ you get very little love at the HS level, because your coaches are also YJ coaches, it sucks, but it's very smart on CR part

You are literally out of your mind!!! Coaches play the best players. For some program YJ players are the better ones for other programs such as Smithtown West and Ward Melville, many are f the better players were not YJs. I'm certain that my TG daughter will be starting over the YJ girls on her HS team. Why? Because she's better and already does, ya dope!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Privacy]What is wrong with Igloo?

Daddy coach, one team club , team very dependent on one player, no brand name, no recruiting track record

All very valid points except for one, beat down yellow jacket blue by a huge margin and was not even a close game! Now the YJ team will come out and say it was all about one girl but in reality says they don't have the talent, the horses or the coaching to beat one playervery very sad! At the end of the day there are better options out there people! YJ has way too many small girls that can't compete at the higher level who should be on the B team but won't be moved down because of the friends and family connection

Are you dense? How does what you said even remotely say anything different about igloo . We get it you hate YJ because your kid either barely plays or can't make the top team.

Ouch struck a nerve? We get it you're angry and embarrassed because your team imhas become the laughingstock of the YJ organization . Unfortunately the slide will continue unless some drastic measures are taken. If the girls who say they're leaving actually do leave this team will be nothing more than just a glorified PAL team with a daddy coach

The slide might continue, but at some point you become a middle school player with HS aspirations and realize that if you don't play YJ you get very little love at the HS level, because your coaches are also YJ coaches, it sucks, but it's very smart on CR part

You are literally out of your mind!!! Coaches play the best players. For some program YJ players are the better ones for other programs such as Smithtown West and Ward Melville, many are f the better players were not YJs. I'm certain that my TG daughter will be starting over the YJ girls on her HS team. Why? Because she's better and already does, ya dope!!

Ask some of the older TG players who left the program because the coach at their HS thought it would be better for them to play YJ

Why, coaching at both is not strong

If you are a good player, you will play, no matter where you are. Elite travel programs will often have top high school middies playing defense on their teams because you simply can't run 15 middies in a game. The problem is TG bases their evaluations on the previous year's play. They do not practice in fall, and you can't call drills at the bubble practices, even though they are good for the price. TG start practices in May, but the coach is not always there. You will show up to the first tournament in June and positions will be the same as the previous year. Girls who put a full year's worth of training on their own, and a full high school season of lacrosse, are rarely given a chance to move up the talent ladder. If your daughter is not in the top 10-12 girls they view as starters, she will not have a fair chance to play as much, which makes it difficult to show improvement and get more playing time. This is fine for an elite D1 college program, where even the best freshman middies get on the field playing defense, but not for all who are still developing in high school. TG and YJ have some really good players sitting on the bench. Not sure if that's the way it should be when your daughter is trying to get recruited and develop as a player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are a good player, you will play, no matter where you are. Elite travel programs will often have top high school middies playing defense on their teams because you simply can't run 15 middies in a game. The problem is TG bases their evaluations on the previous year's play. They do not practice in fall, and you can't call drills at the bubble practices, even though they are good for the price. TG start practices in May, but the coach is not always there. You will show up to the first tournament in June and positions will be the same as the previous year. Girls who put a full year's worth of training on their own, and a full high school season of lacrosse, are rarely given a chance to move up the talent ladder. If your daughter is not in the top 10-12 girls they view as starters, she will not have a fair chance to play as much, which makes it difficult to show improvement and get more playing time. This is fine for an elite D1 college program, where even the best freshman middies get on the field playing defense, but not for all who are still developing in high school. TG and YJ have some really good players sitting on the bench. Not sure if that's the way it should be when your daughter is trying to get recruited and develop as a player.

Agreed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your daughter is a 2023 and your talking about college coaches ? Slow down mom

You know it! TG 2023 is the best team in LI (with Igloo) for a reason. Both have the best girls on the Island. Both didn't buy into the YJ BS and have very dedicated players who get the job done. YJ is a hot mess, a shame for the girls having to deal with big egos and daddy
ball.

Hilarious . Every couple years (see TG 2020) some moron comes on here declaring TG team still wearing diapers is the best team blah blah. Then a couple kids of the better players realize they don't want to go to Hofstra and the next thing you know the same moron is posting that no college coach cares if your team wins or not. Your best players will be leaving soon and you will then finally shut up .

Then how do you explain ZERO TG girls leaving for YJ but good YJ players (girls that actually play) leaving YJ for TG?? With more to follow next weekend. Plenty of TG are going to top schools. The girls going to Hofstra may want to stay close. Plenty of YJs going to mediocre schools with no money. Think your claims are not backed by any actual facts

TG has never had a high school age group that could say their top team is better than YJ top team, it's no accident . Maybe you will be the first but doubtful. I hope you do but I have seen this act before . A few of your parents really think this 2023 group is special going so far as to say they have beaten the older team convincingly when they scrimmaged , maybe this is the team to break thru.

TG has never had a high school age group that could say their top team is better than YJ top team, it's no accident . Maybe you will be the first but doubtful. I hope you do but I have seen this act before . A few of your parents really think this 2023 group is special going so far as to say they have beaten the older team convincingly when they scrimmaged , maybe this is the team to break thru.[/quote]

That's because the older team is terrible. That team didn't win one tournament all summer long.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Privacy]What is wrong with Igloo?

Daddy coach, one team club , team very dependent on one player,
no brand name, no recruiting track record

All very valid points except for one, beat down yellow jacket blue by a huge margin and was not even a close game! Now the YJ team will come out and say it was all about one girl but in reality says they don't have the talent, the horses or the coaching to beat one playervery very sad! At the end of the day there are better options out there people! YJ has way too many small girls that can't compete at the higher level who should be on the B team but won't be moved down because of the friends and family connection

Are you dense? How does what you said even remotely say anything different about igloo . We get it you hate YJ because your kid either barely plays or can't make the top team.

Ouch struck a nerve? We get it you're angry and embarrassed because your team imhas become the laughingstock of the YJ organization . Unfortunately the slide will continue unless some drastic measures are taken. If the girls who say they're leaving actually do leave this team will be nothing more than just a glorified PAL team with a daddy coach

Yes ,morons posting a response to something that in actuality has nothing to do with the actual post is irritating . Don't try to disguise your hatred of a group of 12 year old girls with some nonsensical reply . The size of the girls comment just shows what a completely ignorant poster you are ,have you met Kylie Ohmiller , not exactly the biggest kid on the field and that list of "smaller" players who are incredible goes on and on.

Size matters. It is okay for you to believe that it is how you use it that matters.

s

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why, coaching at both is not strong

Nothing to do with coaching, its the fact that CR has a significant amount of HS coaches coercing kids to play YJ, how do you think it would go for a kid from Northport, Mt. Sinai, etc to play TG? Not well

It really doesn't matter, all clubs will have a recruiting path. The bottom line is if your daughter is good, she will be recruited and it doesn't matter where you play. Where you play has to do with who is going to make your daughter as good as she can get. Who provides the training, coaching, organization that will help her get to the next level.

By the way did any of you check out what Igloo put together for Nov 5th. 15 Top Division 1 head Coaches will be here on the Island including Shannon Smith. Look at this list of Head Coaches; might have to sign up for this.
Coaches Committed So Far:
Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It really doesn't matter, all clubs will have a recruiting path. The bottom line is if your daughter is good, she will be recruited and it doesn't matter where you play. Where you play has to do with who is going to make your daughter as good as she can get. Who provides the training, coaching, organization that will help her get to the next level.

By the way did any of you check out what Igloo put together for Nov 5th. 15 Top Division 1 head Coaches will be here on the Island including Shannon Smith. Look at this list of Head Coaches; might have to sign up for tmhis.
Coaches Committed So Far:
Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

All A team girls will be at tournaments. Money grab!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It really doesn't matter, all clubs will have a recruiting path. The bottom line is if your daughter is good, she will be recruited and it doesn't matter where you play. Where you play has to do with who is going to make your daughter as good as she can get. Who provides the training, coaching, organization that will help her get to the next level.

By the way did any of you check out what Igloo put together for Nov 5th. 15 Top Division 1 head Coaches will be here on the Island including Shannon Smith. Look at this list of Head Coaches; might have to sign up for this.
Coaches Committed So Far:
Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

Sign up, why? What age is your daughter? Most of those top schools are done recruiting 2019's and done with 2020's except some roster round outs. The next top group to get recruited will be 2021's and you are over two years away from communicating. If you have a 2020 close but undecided on one of the schools it may make sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It really doesn't matter, all clubs will have a recruiting path. The bottom line is if your daughter is good, she will be recruited and it doesn't matter where you play. Where you play has to do with who is going to make your daughter as good as she can get. Who provides the training, coaching, organization that will help her get to the next level.

By the way did any of you check out what Igloo put together for Nov 5th. 15 Top Division 1 head Coaches will be here on the Island including Shannon Smith. Look at this list of Head Coaches; might have to sign up for this.
Coaches Committed So Far:
Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

At over 400$ for a one day event that is not invite only is total money grab and joke. If you are a good player, you do not need this, if you are mediocre, they are robbing you!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It really doesn't matter, all clubs will have a recruiting path. The bottom line is if your daughter is good, she will be recruited and it doesn't matter where you play. Where you play has to do with who is going to make your daughter as good as she can get. Who provides the training, coaching, organization that will help her get to the next level.

By the way did any of you check out what Igloo put together for Nov 5th. 15 Top Division 1 head Coaches will be here on the Island including Shannon Smith. Look at this list of Head Coaches; might have to sign up for this.
Coaches Committed So Far:
Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

At over 400$ for a one day event that is not invite only is total money grab and joke. If you are a good player, you do not need this, if you are mediocre, they are robbing you!

You are probably right, and I'm sorry I signed up for it. I was on the fence and should have passed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It really doesn't matter, all clubs will have a recruiting path. The bottom line is if your daughter is good, she will be recruited and it doesn't matter where you play. Where you play has to do with who is going to make your daughter as good as she can get. Who provides the training, coaching, organization that will help her get to the next level.

By the way did any of you check out what Igloo put together for Nov 5th. 15 Top Division 1 head Coaches will be here on the Island including Shannon Smith. Look at this list of Head Coaches; might have to sign up for this.
Coaches Committed So Far:
Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

At over 400$ for a one day event that is not invite only is total money grab and joke. If you are a good player, you do not need this, if you are mediocre, they are robbing you!

$435 is absolutely insane for a one day camp. I paid $50 more for a 4 Day team camp with top college coaches there for my oldest and that included room and board for the nights for 4 days.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It really doesn't matter, all clubs will have a recruiting path. The bottom line is if your daughter is good, she will be recruited and it doesn't matter where you play. Where you play has to do with who is going to make your daughter as good as she can get. Who provides the training, coaching, organization that will help her get to the next level.

By the way did any of you check out what Igloo put together for Nov 5th. 15 Top Division 1 head Coaches will be here on the Island including Shannon Smith. Look at this list of Head Coaches; might have to sign up for this.
Coaches Committed So Far:
Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

I don't think Shannon Smith is the selling point for this event, more like which one of these schools doesn't belong with the rest

These coaches only have 2.5 - 3.0 scholarships to carve up each year and then they take an 8-10 freshman class. A straight 8 kids each year should equal 32 player roster but lots of Jr's and Sr's dont finish with the team. But I guess when you are in for 10,20,$30,000 in your kids clubs carreer what's another $425 right?

Take the $425 and sign them up for an SAT class. Much better spent. Good Luck

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It really doesn't matter, all clubs will have a recruiting path. The bottom line is if your daughter is good, she will be recruited and it doesn't matter where you play. Where you play has to do with who is going to make your daughter as good as she can get. Who provides the training, coaching, organization that will help her get to the next level.

By the way did any of you check out what Igloo put together for Nov 5th. 15 Top Division 1 head Coaches will be here on the Island including Shannon Smith. Look at this list of Head Coaches; might have to sign up for this.
Coaches Committed So Far:
Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

I don't think Shannon Smith is the selling point for this event, more like which one of these schools doesn't belong with the rest

Oregon?

[quote=Anonymous]It really doesn't matter, all clubs will have a recruiting path. The bottom line is if your daughter is good, she will be recruited and it doesn't matter where you play. Where you play has to do with who is going to make your daughter as good as she can get. Who provides the training, coaching, organization that will help her get to the next level.

By the way did any of you check out what Igloo put together for Nov 5th. 15 Top Division 1 head Coaches will be here on the Island including Shannon Smith. Look at this list of Head Coaches; might have to sign up for this.
Coaches Committed So Far:
Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

With all the recruiting tournaments in Maryland on the same weekend its surprising that these coaches would travel to watch age groups as young as 2023 on Long Island. It just doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]It really doesn't matter, all clubs will have a recruiting path. The bottom line is if your daughter is good, she will be recruited and it doesn't matter where you play. Where you play has to do with who is going to make your daughter as good as she can get. Who provides the training, coaching, organization that will help her get to the next level.

By the way did any of you check out what Igloo put together for Nov 5th. 15 Top Division 1 head Coaches will be here on the Island including Shannon Smith. Look at this list of Head Coaches; might have to sign up for this.
Coaches Committed So Far:
Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

With all the recruiting tournaments in Maryland on the same weekend its surprising that these coaches would travel to watch age groups as young as 2023 on Long Island. It just doesn't make sense.

That's what I was just thinking of. That is generally a big weekend in Maryland. Maybe the early registrants can get their money back...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]It really doesn't matter, all clubs will have a recruiting path. The bottom line is if your daughter is good, she will be recruited and it doesn't matter where you play. Where you play has to do with who is going to make your daughter as good as she can get. Who provides the training, coaching, organization that will help her get to the next level.

By the way did any of you check out what Igloo put together for Nov 5th. 15 Top Division 1 head Coaches will be here on the Island including Shannon Smith. Look at this list of Head Coaches; might have to sign up for this.
Coaches Committed So Far:
Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

With all the recruiting tournaments in Maryland on the same weekend its surprising that these coaches would travel to watch age groups as young as 2023 on Long Island. It just doesn't make sense.

That's what I was just thinking of. That is generally a big weekend in Maryland. Maybe the early registrants can get their money back...

MONEY GRAB!!

This is run by IGL$$ . It's a money grab for them. There is no way all those coaches are coming. [lacrosse] will freeze over before they come to watch 2023 kids. They did the boys last year and the same thing happened 1/2 the coaches on IGL$$ website were not there. Plus new recruiting rules they will definitely not be there. Its about the all mighty dollar for IGL$$. DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY.

Lol hey [lacrosse] igloo paying those coaches a lot of money to come up for the day guaranteed! They will be there. Their assistant coaches will be at other events. How stupid are you?

I would think the advertised coaches would have to be there in order to avoid false advertising legal action?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It really doesn't matter, all clubs will have a recruiting path. The bottom line is if your daughter is good, she will be recruited and it doesn't matter where you play. Where you play has to do with who is going to make your daughter as good as she can get. Who provides the training, coaching, organization that will help her get to the next level.

By the way did any of you check out what Igloo put together for Nov 5th. 15 Top Division 1 head Coaches will be here on the Island including Shannon Smith. Look at this list of Head Coaches; might have to sign up for this.
Coaches Committed So Far:
Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

I don't think Shannon Smith is the selling point for this event, more like which one of these schools doesn't belong with the rest

Oregon?

Loyola?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It really doesn't matter, all clubs will have a recruiting path. The bottom line is if your daughter is good, she will be recruited and it doesn't matter where you play. Where you play has to do with who is going to make your daughter as good as she can get. Who provides the training, coaching, organization that will help her get to the next level.

By the way did any of you check out what Igloo put together for Nov 5th. 15 Top Division 1 head Coaches will be here on the Island including Shannon Smith. Look at this list of Head Coaches; might have to sign up for this.
Coaches Committed So Far:
Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

Great post AA, and nice try. But you scheduled this on the wrong weekend for you to make a $. All of YJ 2021s, and I'm sure TGs as well, will be down in MD for Primetime on 11/4 and Rivalry on 11/5. That's where these coaches should be as well. $400 to be seen by assistants, no thanks. I'd rather my daughter be playing against some great competition at a much cheaper price. Bad timing AA and you are charging too much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It really doesn't matter, all clubs will have a recruiting path. The bottom line is if your daughter is good, she will be recruited and it doesn't matter where you play. Where you play has to do with who is going to make your daughter as good as she can get. Who provides the training, coaching, organization that will help her get to the next level.

By the way did any of you check out what Igloo put together for Nov 5th. 15 Top Division 1 head Coaches will be here on the Island including Shannon Smith. Look at this list of Head Coaches; might have to sign up for this.
Coaches Committed So Far:
Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

Great post AA, and nice try. But you scheduled this on the wrong weekend for you to make a $. All of YJ 2021s, and I'm sure TGs as well, will be down in MD for Primetime on 11/4 and Rivalry on 11/5. That's where these coaches should be as well. $400 to be seen by assistants, no thanks. I'd rather my daughter be playing against some great competition at a much cheaper price. Bad timing AA and you are charging too much.

Yup, no way they can be in 2 places at once

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It really doesn't matter, all clubs will have a recruiting path. The bottom line is if your daughter is good, she will be recruited and it doesn't matter where you play. Where you play has to do with who is going to make your daughter as good as she can get. Who provides the training, coaching, organization that will help her get to the next level.

By the way did any of you check out what Igloo put together for Nov 5th. 15 Top Division 1 head Coaches will be here on the Island including Shannon Smith. Look at this list of Head Coaches; might have to sign up for this.
Coaches Committed So Far:
Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

Great post AA, and nice try. But you scheduled this on the wrong weekend for you to make a $. All of YJ 2021s, and I'm sure TGs as well, will be down in MD for Primetime on 11/4 and Rivalry on 11/5. That's where these coaches should be as well. $400 to be seen by assistants, no thanks. I'd rather my daughter be playing against some great competition at a much cheaper price. Bad timing AA and you are charging too much.

Yup, no way they can be in 2 places at once

Each coach will be paid $5000+, to attend.

The Igloo event will likely be cancelled though. It will be tough to get 320 girls who won't be playing with their club team that day to lay down $435.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It really doesn't matter, all clubs will have a recruiting path. The bottom line is if your daughter is good, she will be recruited and it doesn't matter where you play. Where you play has to do with who is going to make your daughter as good as she can get. Who provides the training, coaching, organization that will help her get to the next level.

By the way did any of you check out what Igloo put together for Nov 5th. 15 Top Division 1 head Coaches will be here on the Island including Shannon Smith. Look at this list of Head Coaches; might have to sign up for this.
Coaches Committed So Far:
Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

Great post AA, and nice try. But you scheduled this on the wrong weekend for you to make a $. All of YJ 2021s, and I'm sure TGs as well, will be down in MD for Primetime on 11/4 and Rivalry on 11/5. That's where these coaches should be as well. $400 to be seen by assistants, no thanks. I'd rather my daughter be playing against some great competition at a much cheaper price. Bad timing AA and you are charging too much.

Yup, no way they can be in 2 places at once

Each coach will be paid $5000+, to attend.

I'd rather wait to to to an invite only event where the coaches know they will be seeing top talent. This is meaningless because anyone can attend and the talent will not be there. Coaches are smarter than that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It really doesn't matter, all clubs will have a recruiting path. The bottom line is if your daughter is good, she will be recruited and it doesn't matter where you play. Where you play has to do with who is going to make your daughter as good as she can get. Who provides the training, coaching, organization that will help her get to the next level.

By the way did any of you check out what Igloo put together for Nov 5th. 15 Top Division 1 head Coaches will be here on the Island including Shannon Smith. Look at this list of Head Coaches; might have to sign up for this.
Coaches Committed So Far:
Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

Great post AA, and nice try. But you scheduled this on the wrong weekend for you to make a $. All of YJ 2021s, and I'm sure TGs as well, will be down in MD for Primetime on 11/4 and Rivalry on 11/5. That's where these coaches should be as well. $400 to be seen by assistants, no thanks. I'd rather my daughter be playing against some great competition at a much cheaper price. Bad timing AA and you are charging too much.

Yup, no way they can be in 2 places at once

Each coach will be paid $5000+, to attend.

That's the only way that Reese leaves MD

They are not getting 5,000 bucks each to attend. Igloo probably paying them 1,500 plus hotel . They will get a big turnout because some LI clubs won't be in MD for fall tourney and those schools will send asst. coaches to MD

There you go - that sounds like a win - win for options that weekend.
Spend $425 stay home and go to that showcase and be seen by top D1 coaches.
Spend about the same in gas, tolls and hotels and go to Maryland and be seen by the other D1 coaches.
I love this travel lacrosse thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are not getting 5,000 bucks each to attend. Igloo probably paying them 1,500 plus hotel . They will get a big turnout because some LI clubs won't be in MD for fall tourney and those schools will send asst. coaches to MD

80 kids per age x 4 ages = 320 kids
320 x $435 = $139200
15 coaches / 139200 = 9280 per coach per kid.
How much do you think they are splitting that up by?

So they need to take in 70k before making a profit. NO WAY

For those haters. Love to see you come back on this board to say you were wrong when the above coaches show up for Elite 80.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]They are not getting 5,000 bucks each to attend. Igloo probably paying them 1,500 plus hotel . They will get a big turnout because some LI clubs won't be in MD for fall tourney and those schools will send asst. coaches to MD

80 kids per age x 4 ages = 320 kids
320 x $435 = $139200
15 coaches / 139200 = 9280 per coach per kid.
How much do you think they are splitting that up by?

There is no way you are getting 80 girls per age group at $435 bucks. YJ and TG will be away that weekend. I doubt the younger age group parents are spending that kind of money on 2022, 2023 with the new recruiting rules in effect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]They are not getting 5,000 bucks each to attend. Igloo probably paying them 1,500 plus hotel . They will get a big turnout because some LI clubs won't be in MD for fall tourney and those schools will send asst. coaches to MD

80 kids per age x 4 ages = 320 kids
320 x $435 = $139200
15 coaches / 139200 = 9280 per coach per kid.
How much do you think they are splitting that up by?

There is no way you are getting 80 girls per age group at $435 bucks. YJ and TG will be away that weekend. I doubt the younger age group parents are spending that kind of money on 2022, 2023 with the new recruiting rules in effect.

I'm actually considering signing both my girls up for it. We could have some extra cash if we sell our Jets tickets off this year. But, I am still trying to decide which would be more worthwhile going to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]They are not getting 5,000 bucks each to attend. Igloo probably paying them 1,500 plus hotel . They will get a big turnout because some LI clubs won't be in MD for fall tourney and those schools will send asst. coaches to MD

80 kids per age x 4 ages = 320 kids
320 x $435 = $139200
15 coaches / 139200 = 9280 per coach per kid.
How much do you think they are splitting that up by?

There is no way you are getting 80 girls per age group at $435 bucks. YJ and TG will be away that weekend. I doubt the younger age group parents are spending that kind of money on 2022, 2023 with the new recruiting rules in effect.

I'm actually considering signing both my girls up for it. We could have some extra cash if we sell our Jets tickets off this year. But, I am still trying to decide which would be more worthwhile going to.

Finding a buyer for those Jets tickets won't be an easy walk in the park!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]They are not getting 5,000 bucks each to attend. Igloo probably paying them 1,500 plus hotel . They will get a big turnout because some LI clubs won't be in MD for fall tourney and those schools will send asst. coaches to MD

80 kids per age x 4 ages = 320 kids
320 x $435 = $139200
15 coaches / 139200 = 9280 per coach per kid.
How much do you think they are splitting that up by?

There is no way you are getting 80 girls per age group at $435 bucks. YJ and TG will be away that weekend. I doubt the younger age group parents are spending that kind of money on 2022, 2023 with the new recruiting rules in effect.

Her team is was already signed up to attend a tourny in Md that weekend, but i would have given this a shot if my 2022 was around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For those haters. Love to see you come back on this board to say you were wrong when the above coaches show up for Elite 80.

You are missing the point. The top end talent that the coaches THINK they are coming to see (YJ,TG) will be down in MD. When the assistant coaches from all those schools show up to this thing and realize they are watching some nice kids from 90+1, Igloo, Beach Bums, etc. they are going to be PISSED, other than for their checkbook. Once they realize the warmup line drills are all about ball chasing, they'll checkout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]They are not getting 5,000 bucks each to attend. Igloo probably paying them 1,500 plus hotel . They will get a big turnout because some LI clubs won't be in MD for fall tourney and those schools will send asst. coaches to MD

80 kids per age x 4 ages = 320 kids
320 x $435 = $139200
15 coaches / 139200 = 9280 per coach per kid.
How much do you think they are splitting that up by?

There is no way you are getting 80 girls per age group at $435 bucks. YJ and TG will be away that weekend. I doubt the younger age group parents are spending that kind of money on 2022, 2023 with the new recruiting rules in effect.

I'm actually considering signing both my girls up for it. We could have some extra cash if we sell our Jets tickets off this year. But, I am still trying to decide which would be more worthwhile going to.

Finding a buyer for those Jets tickets won't be an easy walk in the park!!

The Pats tickets will probably go quickly and easily if you are not concerned about who is buying.

The coaches were fully engaged last year at the boys Elite 80 and it sees the coach had a lot fun. Also with the new roles in effect - there are not "recruiting" 7, 8, 9th graders anyway. So it is a clinic/camp where the coaches get paid (yes) they have fun - well run event; and the kids can experience being coached by a DI coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are not getting 5,000 bucks each to attend. Igloo probably paying them 1,500 plus hotel . They will get a big turnout because some LI clubs won't be in MD for fall tourney and those schools will send asst. coaches to MD

You're nuts if you think they are all coming here for $1,500 each plus expenses, they can stay home and get 50-100 kids to show up at $100 each anytime they want to and it it's a 3-4 hour clinic in their own backyard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The coaches were fully engaged last year at the boys Elite 80 and it sees the coach had a lot fun. Also with the new roles in effect - there are not "recruiting" 7, 8, 9th graders anyway. So it is a clinic/camp where the coaches get paid (yes) they have fun - well run event; and the kids can experience being coached by a DI coach.

I think it was mentioned earlier that half the coaches listed for last years boys event didn't show up - this is fact

My daughter will be trying out for TG this Saturday. How is the tryout run? Drills, scrimmages? Is it fair? Which years have the strongest teams? Looking to make a change from another well known club and are hoping for the Black team, but I realize that it is sometimes hard to break onto a top team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It really doesn't matter, all clubs will have a recruiting path. The bottom line is if your daughter is good, she will be recruited and it doesn't matter where you play. Where you play has to do with who is going to make your daughter as good as she can get. Who provides the training, coaching, organization that will help her get to the next level.

By the way did any of you check out what Igloo put together for Nov 5th. 15 Top Division 1 head Coaches will be here on the Island including Shannon Smith. Look at this list of Head Coaches; might have to sign up for this.
Coaches Committed So Far:
Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

Still think the 95% of the better players will all be down in MD.
Just a list from one of the fall ball tournaments.

American University
Army West Point
Averett University
Bard College
Benedictine College
Binghamton University
Boston College
Bowdoin College
Brockport
Brown University
Cal Berkeley
Campbell University
Central Michigan
Coastal Carolina
Colgate University
College of the Holy Cross
Cornell University
Dartmouth College
Davidson College
Denison University
DeSales University
Dickinson College
Drexel University
Duke University
Duquesne University
East Carolina University
Elon University
Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University
Fairfield University
Florida Southern College
Fresno State
Furman University
Gardner-Webb University
Georgetown University
Gettysburg College
Grand Valley State University
Harvard University
High Point University
Hofstra University
Iona College
Ithaca College
James Madison University
Johns Hopkins University
Kean University
Kennesaw State University
La Salle
Lafayette College
Liberty University
LIU Post
Lock Haven University
Lynchburg College
Manhattan College
Marist College
Marquette University
Mars Hill University
McDaniel College
Mercer University
Merrimack College
Messiah College
Middlebury College
Monmouth University
Mount Saint Mary’s
Muhlenberg College
Northern Michigan University
Ohio Northern University
Pace University
Penn State University
Quinnipiac University
Roanoke College
Rutgers University
Sacred Heart University
Saint Francis University
Saint Leo
Salisbury University
Seton Hill University
Shenandoah University
Shepherd University
Shippensburg University
Smith College
St. Thomas Aquinas
Stetson University
Stevenson University
Stony Brook University
Temple University
The Catholic University of America
Towson University
UConn
UMass Lowell
UMass-Amherst
UMBC
University of Cincinnati
University of Colorado
University of Colorado Boulder
University of Delaware
University of Denver
University of Florida
University of Louisville
University of Mary Washington
University of Maryland
University of Michigan
University of Notre Dame
University of Pennsylvania
University of Richmond
University of Rochester
University of Southern California
University of Tampa
University of Vermont
University of Virginia
VCU
Virginia Tech
Wagner College
Washington and Lee University
Wellesley College
William Peace University
Wingate University
Wofford College
Yale
[lacrosse] College of PA
Young Harris College

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It really doesn't matter, all clubs will have a recruiting path. The bottom line is if your daughter is good, she will be recruited and it doesn't matter where you play. Where you play has to do with who is going to make your daughter as good as she can get. Who provides the training, coaching, organization that will help her get to the next level.

By the way did any of you check out what Igloo put together for Nov 5th. 15 Top Division 1 head Coaches will be here on the Island including Shannon Smith. Look at this list of Head Coaches; might have to sign up for this.
Coaches Committed So Far:
Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

Still think the 95% of the better players will all be down in MD.
Just a list from one of the fall ball tournaments.

American University
Army West Point
Averett University
Bard College
Benedictine College
Binghamton University
Boston College
Bowdoin College
Brockport
Brown University
Cal Berkeley
Campbell University
Central Michigan
Coastal Carolina
Colgate University
College of the Holy Cross
Cornell University
Dartmouth College
Davidson College
Denison University
DeSales University
Dickinson College
Drexel University
Duke University
Duquesne University
East Carolina University
Elon University
Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University
Fairfield University
Florida Southern College
Fresno State
Furman University
Gardner-Webb University
Georgetown University
Gettysburg College
Grand Valley State University
Harvard University
High Point University
Hofstra University
Iona College
Ithaca College
James Madison University
Johns Hopkins University
Kean University
Kennesaw State University
La Salle
Lafayette College
Liberty University
LIU Post
Lock Haven University
Lynchburg College
Manhattan College
Marist College
Marquette University
Mars Hill University
McDaniel College
Mercer University
Merrimack College
Messiah College
Middlebury College
Monmouth University
Mount Saint Mary’s
Muhlenberg College
Northern Michigan University
Ohio Northern University
Pace University
Penn State University
Quinnipiac University
Roanoke College
Rutgers University
Sacred Heart University
Saint Francis University
Saint Leo
Salisbury University
Seton Hill University
Shenandoah University
Shepherd University
Shippensburg University
Smith College
St. Thomas Aquinas
Stetson University
Stevenson University
Stony Brook University
Temple University
The Catholic University of America
Towson University
UConn
UMass Lowell
UMass-Amherst
UMBC
University of Cincinnati
University of Colorado
University of Colorado Boulder
University of Delaware
University of Denver
University of Florida
University of Louisville
University of Mary Washington
University of Maryland
University of Michigan
University of Notre Dame
University of Pennsylvania
University of Richmond
University of Rochester
University of Southern California
University of Tampa
University of Vermont
University of Virginia
VCU
Virginia Tech
Wagner College
Washington and Lee University
Wellesley College
William Peace University
Wingate University
Wofford College
Yale
[lacrosse] College of PA
Young Harris College

Get this off the TG thread! Nobody cares about this crappy overpriced "camp," "showcase" or whatever else you want to call it. No good players will be there so why would anyone spend that kind of money unless they are a total fool. Back to TG related business please!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It really doesn't matter, all clubs will have a recruiting path. The bottom line is if your daughter is good, she will be recruited and it doesn't matter where you play. Where you play has to do with who is going to make your daughter as good as she can get. Who provides the training, coaching, organization that will help her get to the next level.

By the way did any of you check out what Igloo put together for Nov 5th. 15 Top Division 1 head Coaches will be here on the Island including Shannon Smith. Look at this list of Head Coaches; might have to sign up for this.
Coaches Committed So Far:
Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

Still think the 95% of the better players will all be down in MD.
Just a list from one of the fall ball tournaments.

American University
Army West Point
Averett University
Bard College
Benedictine College
Binghamton University
Boston College
Bowdoin College
Brockport
Brown University
Cal Berkeley
Campbell University
Central Michigan
Coastal Carolina
Colgate University
College of the Holy Cross
Cornell University
Dartmouth College
Davidson College
Denison University
DeSales University
Dickinson College
Drexel University
Duke University
Duquesne University
East Carolina University
Elon University
Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University
Fairfield University
Florida Southern College
Fresno State
Furman University
Gardner-Webb University
Georgetown University
Gettysburg College
Grand Valley State University
Harvard University
High Point University
Hofstra University
Iona College
Ithaca College
James Madison University
Johns Hopkins University
Kean University
Kennesaw State University
La Salle
Lafayette College
Liberty University
LIU Post
Lock Haven University
Lynchburg College
Manhattan College
Marist College
Marquette University
Mars Hill University
McDaniel College
Mercer University
Merrimack College
Messiah College
Middlebury College
Monmouth University
Mount Saint Mary’s
Muhlenberg College
Northern Michigan University
Ohio Northern University
Pace University
Penn State University
Quinnipiac University
Roanoke College
Rutgers University
Sacred Heart University
Saint Francis University
Saint Leo
Salisbury University
Seton Hill University
Shenandoah University
Shepherd University
Shippensburg University
Smith College
St. Thomas Aquinas
Stetson University
Stevenson University
Stony Brook University
Temple University
The Catholic University of America
Towson University
UConn
UMass Lowell
UMass-Amherst
UMBC
University of Cincinnati
University of Colorado
University of Colorado Boulder
University of Delaware
University of Denver
University of Florida
University of Louisville
University of Mary Washington
University of Maryland
University of Michigan
University of Notre Dame
University of Pennsylvania
University of Richmond
University of Rochester
University of Southern California
University of Tampa
University of Vermont
University of Virginia
VCU
Virginia Tech
Wagner College
Washington and Lee University
Wellesley College
William Peace University
Wingate University
Wofford College
Yale
[lacrosse] College of PA
Young Harris College

Get this off the TG thread! Nobody cares about this crappy overpriced "camp," "showcase" or whatever else you want to call it. No good players will be there so why would anyone spend that kind of money unless they are a total fool. Back to TG related business please!

Your club director and coach cares enough to put her name on it and take their money - just like she takes yours!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It really doesn't matter, all clubs will have a recruiting path. The bottom line is if your daughter is good, she will be recruited and it doesn't matter where you play. Where you play has to do with who is going to make your daughter as good as she can get. Who provides the training, coaching, organization that will help her get to the next level.

By the way did any of you check out what Igloo put together for Nov 5th. 15 Top Division 1 head Coaches will be here on the Island including Shannon Smith. Look at this list of Head Coaches; might have to sign up for this.
Coaches Committed So Far:
Maryland – Cathy Reese
Hopkins – Janine Tucker
Stony Brook – Joe Spallina
Syracuse – Gary Gait
Oregon – Katrina Dowd
Yale – Erica Lagrow
Georgetown – Ricky Fried
Florida – Amanda O’Leary
Notre Dame – Christine Halfpenny
Stanford – Amy Bokker
Penn State – Missy Doherty
Loyola – Jen Adams
Dartmouth – Danielle Spencer
Hofstra – Shannon Smith
UPENN – Karin Brower Corbett

Still think the 95% of the better players will all be down in MD.
Just a list from one of the fall ball tournaments.

American University
Army West Point
Averett University
Bard College
Benedictine College
Binghamton University
Boston College
Bowdoin College
Brockport
Brown University
Cal Berkeley
Campbell University
Central Michigan
Coastal Carolina
Colgate University
College of the Holy Cross
Cornell University
Dartmouth College
Davidson College
Denison University
DeSales University
Dickinson College
Drexel University
Duke University
Duquesne University
East Carolina University
Elon University
Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University
Fairfield University
Florida Southern College
Fresno State
Furman University
Gardner-Webb University
Georgetown University
Gettysburg College
Grand Valley State University
Harvard University
High Point University
Hofstra University
Iona College
Ithaca College
James Madison University
Johns Hopkins University
Kean University
Kennesaw State University
La Salle
Lafayette College
Liberty University
LIU Post
Lock Haven University
Lynchburg College
Manhattan College
Marist College
Marquette University
Mars Hill University
McDaniel College
Mercer University
Merrimack College
Messiah College
Middlebury College
Monmouth University
Mount Saint Mary’s
Muhlenberg College
Northern Michigan University
Ohio Northern University
Pace University
Penn State University
Quinnipiac University
Roanoke College
Rutgers University
Sacred Heart University
Saint Francis University
Saint Leo
Salisbury University
Seton Hill University
Shenandoah University
Shepherd University
Shippensburg University
Smith College
St. Thomas Aquinas
Stetson University
Stevenson University
Stony Brook University
Temple University
The Catholic University of America
Towson University
UConn
UMass Lowell
UMass-Amherst
UMBC
University of Cincinnati
University of Colorado
University of Colorado Boulder
University of Delaware
University of Denver
University of Florida
University of Louisville
University of Mary Washington
University of Maryland
University of Michigan
University of Notre Dame
University of Pennsylvania
University of Richmond
University of Rochester
University of Southern California
University of Tampa
University of Vermont
University of Virginia
VCU
Virginia Tech
Wagner College
Washington and Lee University
Wellesley College
William Peace University
Wingate University
Wofford College
Yale
[lacrosse] College of PA
Young Harris College

Get this off the TG thread! Nobody cares about this crappy overpriced "camp," "showcase" or whatever else you want to call it. No good players will be there so why would anyone spend that kind of money unless they are a total fool. Back to TG related business please!

Your club director and coach cares enough to put her name on it and take their money - just like she takes yours!

Last I knew, college coaches go to recruiting events, especially Those close to home, why not? Travel lacrosse is a business last I knew, and as long as they are delivering the product they advertised for the money charged, why would you have a problem with that? TG has lived up to all the expectations we've had for the organization, why do you have a problem with that? Did your daughter sit on the bench this year?

[quote=Anonymous]My daughter will be trying out for TG this Saturday. How is the tryout run? Drills, scrimmages? Is it fair? Which years have the strongest teams? Looking to make a change from another well known club and are hoping for the Black team, but I realize that it is sometimes hard to break onto a top team.

The tryouts consist of stations and scrimmages. The 23 black team is the club's top team

Why would anyone chose to go to Hofstra for lacrosse? By the way, if you choose not to go to Hofstra, SS will not speak on your behalf at TG. She is the Hofstra coach, and as long as she is the coach there, she can't speak for you. Even though that is probably a good thing, who will speak for you at that organization?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would anyone chose to go to Hofstra for lacrosse? By the way, if you choose not to go to Hofstra, SS will not speak on your behalf at TG. She is the Hofstra coach, and as long as she is the coach there, she can't speak for you. Even though that is probably a good thing, who will speak for you at that organization?

Nobody that's who, do your own camps and clinics at the schools you're interested in and you will be much better off. Club influence is over with the new recruiting rules. The faster you people all start to realize that the tables have turned the better - the clubs need you ($$$) more than you need them in this new world. PS - word is college coaches are growing very tired of BS and his act anyway and SS is only about helping SS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter will be trying out for TG this Saturday. How is the tryout run? Drills, scrimmages? Is it fair? Which years have the strongest teams? Looking to make a change from another well known club and are hoping for the Black team, but I realize that it is sometimes hard to break onto a top team.

Depends what town your from!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would anyone chose to go to Hofstra for lacrosse? By the way, if you choose not to go to Hofstra, SS will not speak on your behalf at TG. She is the Hofstra coach, and as long as she is the coach there, she can't speak for you. Even though that is probably a good thing, who will speak for you at that organization?

It is a school with a big choice of majors, perhaps you get some decent athletic money. Although expensive, they do offer great academic scholarships if you have decent grades. Perhaps you want to stay close to home and play. Also, perhaps you want to play D1 lacrosse in a very competitive league (CAA). Perhaps you want to play on a team with a smaller sized roster compared to many others. Perhaps Hofstra lacrosse fits your skill level. Perhaps you and your family really like the coach and believe in her...etc. There are at least (8) reasons.

Look what happened at Louisville this summer. Stuff like this happens. Be happy with your decision and make sure it is a school you want to be at if you were not playing lacrosse.

Now, we know the person who wrote this original post does not hate Hofstra because they failed an anthropology course back in the day. For some reason they hate everything related to TG and the family. Move on...this is getting so old. The immaturity of adults on this site is extraordinary.

Cowards don't sign their names to their consistently-hostile opinions. Would be nice if everyone woujld stop trashing people and be happy about your own decisions.

When will tryout results be announced?

Friday

Invites are out

Yes, they are. How many teams have SS listed as coach?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, they are. How many teams have SS listed as coach?

Since you didn't get an email go troll the YJ thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, they are. How many teams have SS listed as coach?

Since you didn't get an email go troll the YJ thread.

We got an email, with SS listed as coach...was wondering if she was also coaching other teams. It's a valid concern. You really love the word troll. Parents like you defending TG really make the organization look appealing.

My daughter got an invite with A Smith and J Smith as coaches. How are they?

[quote=Anonymous]My daughter got an invite with A Smith and J Smith as coaches. How are they?

A.Smith is great the girls love him. J. Smith is new.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]My daughter got an invite with A Smith and J Smith as coaches. How are they?

A.Smith is great the girls love him. J. Smith is new.

Not all the girls love A. Smith and I'll leave it at that. I have never heard of J. Smith.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]My daughter got an invite with A Smith and J Smith as coaches. How are they?

A.Smith is great the girls love him. J. Smith is new.

J Smith is Niece, grad from WB. Freshman goalie at Hofstra. Very nice kid.

J Smith is not at Hofstra yet

More defections from TG this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More defections from TG this year.

It is the way of club lacrosse, not just TG. Everyone always thinks the grass is greener. Clearly you are trying to bait people with your comment or you wouldn't be so vague. Have a great day!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More defections from TG this year.

It is the way of club lacrosse, not just TG. Everyone always thinks the grass is greener. Clearly you are trying to bait people with your comment or you wouldn't be so vague. Have a great day!

The only girls "defecting" from my daughters TG team is the dead wood. We got some great new girls from Liberty and Empire and will be improved.......Thanks for asking!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More defections from TG this year.

Hey troll......keep trying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More defections from TG this year.

Hey troll......keep trying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More defections from TG this year.

They'll be joining your daughter on the YJ C team, leaving because they rode the bench

Originally Posted by Anonymous

J Smith is not at Hofstra yet

Thought she graduated already.... Still very nice kid. Knows her stuff. Might be better off having her as your "college" girl coach because she will likely be at your early season practices, unlike many of the other college girl coaches whom you wont meet until the first tourn. in June. TG is still seeking some girls to coach for next summer.

Is TG White team worth it for some decent training

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is TG White team worth it for some decent training

No. I would look into other options. Go to other tryouts for other clubs, the White team is not worth that kind of money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is TG White team worth it for some decent training

No. I would look into other options. Go to other tryouts for other clubs, the White team is not worth that kind of money.

The cost of TG will be comparable to other clubs that are on par with the white the team, the savings will be that you won't spend as much on travel/hotels at another club.

They'll be joining your daughter on the YJ C team, leaving because they rode the bench
[/quote]

Why does it have to be because they rode the bench or will join a C team elsewhere? Pretty ironic that a middle schooler left TG recently, joined YJ, and committed to a top college before even playing a game for them. Did she ride the bench? I think not! This program's isolation plays and go to goal mentality wears thin when they face a backer D starting in 9th grade. TG is a good program, but their act wears thin real fast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is TG White team worth it for some decent training

NO, the white teams are not worth anything at any age group and will have the lowest quality coaching of any teams. Most purple are pretty dreadful as well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]My daughter got an invite with A Smith and J Smith as coaches. How are they?

A.Smith is great the girls love him. J. Smith is new.

J Smith is Niece, grad from WB. Freshman goalie at Hofstra. Very nice kid.

What age group would they give to an 18 year old girl?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]My daughter got an invite with A Smith and J Smith as coaches. How are they?

A.Smith is great the girls love him. J. Smith is new.

J Smith is Niece, grad from WB. Freshman goalie at Hofstra. Very nice kid.

What age group would they give to an 18

She's an assistant you dope. Why do you care?? If you are the same YJ troll who is constantly chiming in, you should worry about your own club and the dopey college girls they put in charge of some teams!

Hey TG bigger dope, she will be senior at WB this year.

[quote=Anonymous]Hey TG bigger dope, she will be senior at WB this year.

At least the YJ 23 assistant is 19 years old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]My daughter got an invite with A Smith and J Smith as coaches. How are they?

A.Smith is great the girls love him. J. Smith is new.

J Smith is Niece, grad from WB. Freshman goalie at Hofstra. Very nice kid.

What age group would they give to an 18 year old girl?

There was an issue with AS working with a college girl, so they can now only have him working with family members as co-coaches, thus using his HS age (17 yr old) cousin as his assistant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]My daughter got an invite with A Smith and J Smith as coaches. How are they?

A.Smith is great the girls love him. J. Smith is new.

J Smith is Niece, grad from WB. Freshman goalie at Hofstra. Very nice kid.

What age group would they give to an 18 year old girl?

There was an issue with AS working with a college girl, so they can now only have him working with family members as co-coaches, thus using his HS age (17 yr old) cousin as his assistant.

What kind of issue.... was she stalking him? Ohh the drama!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]My daughter got an invite with A Smith and J Smith as coaches. How are they?

A.Smith is great the girls love him. J. Smith is new.

J Smith is Niece, grad from WB. Freshman goalie at Hofstra. Very nice kid.

What age group would they give to an 18 year old girl?

There was an issue with AS working with a college girl, so they can now only have him working with family members as co-coaches, thus using his HS age (17 yr old) cousin as his assistant.

What kind of issue.... was she stalking him? Ohh the drama!!

C'mon Andrew you know... nice try though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]My daughter got an invite with A Smith and J Smith as coaches. How are they?

A.Smith is great the girls love him. J. Smith is new.

J Smith is Niece, grad from WB. Freshman goalie at Hofstra. Very nice kid.

What age group would they give to an 18 year old girl?

There was aworking with a college girl, so they can now only have him working with family members as co-coaches, thus using his HS age (17 yr old) cousin as his assistant.

What kind of issue.... was she stalking him? Ohh the drama!!

C'mon Andrew you know... nice try though.

What was the issue? What was the
Context? I think it may important if he is going to be around our daughters.

Give me a break! Go back to your YJ thread where there is a real trouble! I wrote the above post, not Andrew. He is cute, and I could see how a young college girl could become smitten! If you are truly worried about Andrew, and not lacrosse, your daughter doesn't belong on TG, See ya, don't let the door hit you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Give me a break! Go back to your YJ thread where there is a real trouble! I wrote the above post, not Andrew. He is cute, and I could see how a young college girl could become smitten! If you are truly worried about Andrew, and not lacrosse, your daughter doesn't belong on TG, See ya, don't let the door hit you.

So you are saying he had a relationship with a young college girl? Isn't he a director and 7 years older than some of these college girls. May show some character flaws that that may be concerning that you seem quick to casually brush aside.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Give me a break! Go back to your YJ thread where there is a real trouble! I wrote the above post, not Andrew. He is cute, and I could see how a young college girl could become smitten! If you are truly worried about Andrew, and not lacrosse, your daughter doesn't belong on TG, See ya, don't let the door hit you.

So you are saying he had a relationship with a young college girl? Isn't he a director and 7 years older than some of these college girls. May show some character flaws that that may be concerning that you seem quick to casually brush aside.

Easy there!! You're making your own story up. Andrew has no interest in girls with stars in their eyes, doesn't need too. Seems like you are just trying to create drama! Worry about your own daughter and why she sits on the bench.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Give me a break! Go back to your YJ thread where there is a real trouble! I wrote the above post, not Andrew. He is cute, and I could see how a young college girl could become smitten! If you are truly worried about Andrew, and not lacrosse, your daughter doesn't belong on TG, See ya, don't let the door hit you.

So you are saying he had a relationship with a young college girl? Isn't he a director and 7 years older than some of these college girls. May show some character flaws that that may be concerning that you seem quick to casually brush aside.

Stop. Just stop. You people are pathetic and need to get off this sight once in a while. There is a great magazine that seems to be right up your ally, it's called the Inquirer. Get your fill of trash there, stop trying to drum it up here. Fake news is simply that and trying to run a smear campaign and make accusations in this manner is disgusting. If you don't like TG, leave. But trying to drag people through the mud for your own entertainment is sick.

Can we get back to lacrosse

23 lost some big talent this yr why?

[quote=Anonymous]23 lost some big talent this yr why?

Stop trolling. Big talent? They didn't lose any starters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

23 lost some big talent this yr why?

23 Black lost nobody except two girls that sat on the bench and didn't show up to tryouts because they knew were going to be cut. They did however game a couple nice additions. Thanks for asking!

Bill and ss coach 3 teams each and that in one age group. There are spread way to thin. And if they were doctors I would say they have no bed side manners. The pro coach they have missed have game because she's playing.

What type of [lacrosse] hole ands a statement with did your daughter sit on the bench. My kids a goalie played in every game. My opinion means more than another parent who's kid doesn't play as much. That's just stupid. I don't think it's coached that well.my kids team got beat by every md team we played. Got out coached in most.one coach didn't show up because she still plays.bill and ss are spread to thin over the course of a weekend. And no games in the winter is no good. They are good because they get good kids who don't can't make it to yj or the moms and dads don't like y j.yy2r4ag

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bill and ss coach 3 teams each and that in one age group. There are spread way to thin. And if they were doctors I would say they have no bed side manners. The pro coach they have missed have game because she's playing.

Who is the pro coach? Also, I assume you mean she missed half of the games, not "have games".

I hate to nitpick but your whole post is very poorly written so people are going to roast you. If you had written something positive, maybe not, but since it's negative, be ready (especially by the person whose favorite word is "troll").

Otherwise, I completely agree with you about BS and SS being spread too thin. Could be why a complaint is about them having favorites, they have too many players so they concentrate on their standouts at the expense of the entire team (and the rest of the players).

[quote=Anonymous]What type of [lacrosse] hole ands a statement with did your daughter sit on the bench. My kids a goalie played in every game. My opinion means more than another parent who's kid doesn't play as much. That's just stupid. I don't think it's coached that well.my kids team got beat by every md team we played. Got out coached in most.one coach didn't show up because she still plays.bill and ss are spread to thin over the course of a weekend. And no games in the winter is no good. They are good because they get good kids who don't can't make it to yj or the moms and dads don't like y j.yy2r4ag

Nobody would deny YJ is a top organization. Some people have girls that are excellent players but choose not to put them in the toxic environment that the YJ teams have. Its created by over the top parents that create a me first selfish style of play. The coaching staff for TG is spread too thin and I agree not playing in competitive fall tournaments or playing winter lacrosse hurts their development and that's why players leave for YJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What type of [lacrosse] hole ands a statement with did your daughter sit on the bench. My kids a goalie played in every game. My opinion means more than another parent who's kid doesn't play as much. That's just stupid. I don't think it's coached that well.my kids team got beat by every md team we played. Got out coached in most.one coach didn't show up because she still plays.bill and ss are spread to thin over the course of a weekend. And no games in the winter is no good. They are good because they get good kids who don't can't make it to yj or the moms and dads don't like y j.yy2r4ag

I agree with you but don't know who you are replying to. When responding hit the blue "Quote" button at the bottom right of the post.

The common answer here if you aren't saying something positive is along the lines of "your daughter must sit on the bench". TG attracts talent, there are plenty of people who for many reasons YJ isn't an option.

Nobody would deny YJ is a top organization. Some people have girls that are excellent players but choose not to put them in the toxic environment that the YJ teams have. Its created by over the top parents that create a me first selfish style of play. The coaching staff for TG is spread too thin and I agree not playing in competitive fall tournaments or playing winter lacrosse hurts their development and that's why players leave for YJ.[/quote]

People leave the smaller programs and go to TG because TG is more competitive in Maryland. What they fail to realize is TG does not do much in the fall and winter because they encourage girls to do other sports - which I think is the right thinking. This is bad because it does not let them get to know the new players on the rosters. Lineups are set from the previous year - which will be 11 months out from when the coaches saw the girls last - and changes are rarely made. Coaches are not there until a week before the first tournament - and don't really know the new girls either. You will play more on a smaller club. The club will not win as much - if at all, but your daughter will play more and develop. Right about now, all of the parents of daughters who were moved from black to purple are calling BS and many will get moved back to black. That creates rosters more than 24. In the end, money rules. They do not care if your daughter rides the bench. Many good girls ride the bench and it is not their fault, but they will be on a better team.

How many girls from 2021 Purple made Black this year. I know of 2 girls that got bumped down and of at least 5 black girls that left TG.

If you know so much why asking. ....Hey troll.....nice try

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many girls from 2021 Purple made Black this year. I know of 2 girls that got bumped down and of at least 5 black girls that left TG.

All the top girls stayed. Don't blame girls who didn't get much playing time to try something else. Sometimes a team is just not the right fit for a bunch of reasons. Good luck to all, especially the new purple girls. Work hard and earn your time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many girls from 2021 Purple made Black this year. I know of 2 girls that got bumped down and of at least 5 black girls that left TG.

I wonder who this could be????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many girls from 2021 Purple made Black this year. I know of 2 girls that got bumped down and of at least 5 black girls that left TG.

I wonder who this could be????

Who?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]How many girls from 2021 Purple made Black this year. I know of 2 girls that got bumped down and of at least 5 black girls that left TG.

I wonder who this could be????

Who?

WI in the house

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]How many girls from 2021 Purple made Black this year. I know of 2 girls that got bumped down and of at least 5 black girls that left TG.

I wonder who this could be????

Who?

WI in the house

whoop whoop

Funny how girls from 2021 black want to move to purple and play for a real coach. 2021 purple had a great summer playing and having fun doing it. Amazing what a real coach teaching a team game can do for the girls' morale

I agree, best summer ever playing TG Purple for a real coach!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny how girls from 2021 black want to move to purple and play for a real coach. 2021 purple had a great summer playing and having fun doing it. Amazing what a real coach teaching a team game can do for the girls' morale

Funny no one on purple would insult another coach while praising our coach. We did have a wonderful summer though

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny how girls from 2021 black want to move to purple and play for a real coach. 2021 purple had a great summer playing and having fun doing it. Amazing what a real coach teaching a team game can do for the girls' morale

Funny no one on purple would insult another coach while praising our coach. We did have a wonderful summer though

Let's discontinue engaging this TG stalker. He is clearly posting and then replying to his own posts and trying to spew his hatred and negativity with lies and insults. It's nonsense and we all know his M.O
It is unfortunate he is unable to move on, like the Black team has done quite nicely without his toxic presence.

What's going to happen to TG when SS gets fired from Hofstra? How many losing seasons will she be allowed to have?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's going to happen to TG when SS gets fired from Hofstra? How many losing seasons will she be allowed to have?

How many times are you allowed to post your anonymous opinion before someone finds out who you are and lays you out. Ask with your name and you'll get an answer, Ya POS, just like I thought, you're crawling into your hole right now where you belong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's going to happen to TG when SS gets fired from Hofstra? How many losing seasons will she be allowed to have?

You need to get over this obsession with all things TG, and the imaginary "what if" scenarios. It's getting old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's going to happen to TG when SS gets fired from Hofstra? How many losing seasons will she be allowed to have?

How many times are you allowed to post your anonymous opinion before someone finds out who you are and lays you out. Ask with your name and you'll get an answer, Ya POS, just like I thought, you're crawling into your hole right now where you belong.

Yeah okay tuff guy. I personally don't think SS is going to get fired anytime soon but seriously you are calling out a person for posting anonymously while you post anonymously , maybe your afraid you gonna get laid out like the pusscake you are

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's going to happen to TG when SS gets fired from Hofstra? How many losing seasons will she be allowed to have?

How many times are you allowed to post your anonymous opinion before someone finds out who you are and lays you out. Ask with your name and you'll get an answer, Ya POS, just like I thought, you're crawling into your hole right now where you belong.

Yeah okay tuff guy. I personally don't think SS is going to get fired anytime soon but seriously you are calling out a person for posting anonymously while you post anonymously , maybe your afraid you gonna get laid out like the pusscake you are

What team did you switch your daughter to? Don't they have a thread you can post your nonsense on? We are not interested in you, your daughter, or any of your bruised ego opinions. move on... your not needed here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's going to happen to TG when SS gets fired from Hofstra? How many losing seasons will she be allowed to have?

How many times are you allowed to post your anonymous opinion before someone finds out who you are and lays you out. Ask with your name and you'll get an answer, Ya POS, just like I thought, you're crawling into your hole right now where you belong.

Yeah okay tuff guy. I personally don't think SS is going to get fired anytime soon but seriously you are calling out a person for posting anonymously while you post anonymously , maybe your afraid you gonna get laid out like the pusscake you are

Don't go away mad, just go away. Friendly tip: Stay off the booze before you get on the computer. Nobody cares what you think about SS or your pine riding daughter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's going to happen to TG when SS gets fired from Hofstra? How many losing seasons will she be allowed to have?

Is that you West Hampton?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's going to happen to TG when SS gets fired from Hofstra? How many losing seasons will she be allowed to have?

How many times are you allowed to post your anonymous opinion before someone finds out who you are and lays you out. Ask with your name and you'll get an answer, Ya POS, just like I thought, you're crawling into your hole right now where you belong.

Yeah okay tuff guy. I personally don't think SS is going to get fired anytime soon but seriously you are calling out a person for posting anonymously while you post anonymously , maybe your afraid you gonna get laid out like the pusscake you are

Don't go away mad, just go away. Friendly tip: Stay off the booze before you get on the computer. Nobody cares what you think about SS or your pine riding daughter.

Thanks for the advice now maybe you can give SS some advice on how to drain more money from you bunch of TG losers so she can keep her job. Now go be an internet tuff guy and threaten to lay more people out that you are too afraid of to actually speak with face to face.

cat fight....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's going to happen to TG when SS gets fired from Hofstra? How many losing seasons will she be allowed to have?

How many times are you allowed to post your anonymous opinion before someone finds out who you are and lays you out. Ask with your name and you'll get an answer, Ya POS, just like I thought, you're crawling into your hole right now where you belong.

Yeah okay tuff guy. I personally don't think SS is going to get fired anytime soon but seriously you are calling out a person for posting anonymously while you post anonymously , maybe your afraid you gonna get laid out like the pusscake you are

Don't go away mad, just go away. Friendly tip: Stay off the booze before you get on the computer. Nobody cares what you think about SS or your pine riding daughter.

Thanks for the advice now maybe you can give SS some advice on how to drain more money from you bunch of TG losers so she can keep her job. Now go be an internet tuff guy and threaten to lay more people out that you are too afraid of to actually speak with face to face.

Wow LI trash at its finest!! You both should be ashamed to carry on like this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's going to happen to TG when SS gets fired from Hofstra? How many losing seasons will she be allowed to have?

How many times are you allowed to post your anonymous opinion before someone finds out who you are and lays you out. Ask with your name and you'll get an answer, Ya POS, just like I thought, you're crawling into your hole right now where you belong.

Yeah okay tuff guy. I personally don't think SS is going to get fired anytime soon but seriously you are calling out a person for posting anonymously while you post anonymously , maybe your afraid you gonna get laid out like the pusscake you are

Don't go away mad, just go away. Friendly tip: Stay off the booze before you get on the computer. Nobody cares what you think about SS or your pine riding daughter.

Thanks for the advice now maybe you can give SS some advice on how to drain more money from you bunch of TG losers so she can keep her job. Now go be an internet tuff guy and threaten to lay more people out that you are too afraid of to actually speak with face to face.

Yeah cuz no other clubs are banging parents over the head for cash? Get off your soap box. We all pay it because it's what we want for our kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's going to happen to TG when SS gets fired from Hofstra? How many losing seasons will she be allowed to have?

She has only had 2 losing seasons... And only one really bad season (3-13 in 2016). She's not going anywhere unless she chooses to leave.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's going to happen to TG when SS gets fired from Hofstra? How many losing seasons will she be allowed to have?

How many times are you allowed to post your anonymous opinion before someone finds out who you are and lays you out. Ask with your name and you'll get an answer, Ya POS, just like I thought, you're crawling into your hole right now where you belong.

Yeah okay tuff guy. I personally don't think SS is going to get fired anytime soon but seriously you are calling out a person for posting anonymously while you post anonymously , maybe your afraid you gonna get laid out like the pusscake you are

Don't go away mad, just go away. Friendly tip: Stay off the booze before you get on the computer. Nobody cares what you think about SS or your pine riding daughter.

Thanks for the advice now maybe you can give SS some advice on how to drain more money from you bunch of TG losers so she can keep her job. Now go be an internet tuff guy and threaten to lay more people out that you are too afraid of to actually speak with face to face.

Tell me your name, I have no problem telling you what I think of you to your face........exactly what I thought! Remember, you're the one coming on here stirring s***t ! Ya p***y. Now go have a drink to calm yourself self down.

Most Clubs are very transient on their second and lower teams, Tops Guns has become very transient on the black teams. They attract many malcontents (mixed in with good people) who club hop, and have unrealistic expectations. Those are the ones who get on here with all anger (the ones who are on the team, and the ones who leave), so you have the influx and outflux of some of the worst elements of Long Island lacrosse now flowing through the TG program, making really difficult for the good people who used to make up the majority to want to stay. The program has really lost the feel of a family run, family first organization. I must say it all began to change when end of the season picnics stopped, there seemed a shift in attitude from the family. Very sad that my youngests experience (and my families current) is so much different from my eldest. And please do not tell me to talk to them, because that no longer happens. I am sorry to say.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most Clubs are very transient on their second and lower teams, Tops Guns has become very transient on the black teams. They attract many malcontents (mixed in with good people) who club hop, and have unrealistic expectations. Those are the ones who get on here with all anger (the ones who are on the team, and the ones who leave), so you have the influx and outflux of some of the worst elements of Long Island lacrosse now flowing through the TG program, making really difficult for the good people who used to make up the majority to want to stay. The program has really lost the feel of a family run, family first organization. I must say it all began to change when end of the season picnics stopped, there seemed a shift in attitude from the family. Very sad that my youngests experience (and my families current) is so much different from my eldest. And please do not tell me to talk to them, because that no longer happens. I am sorry to say.

There used to be an end of the season picnic?! When did it end?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most Clubs are very transient on their second and lower teams, Tops Guns has become very transient on the black teams. They attract many malcontents (mixed in with good people) who club hop, and have unrealistic expectations. Those are the ones who get on here with all anger (the ones who are on the team, and the ones who leave), so you have the influx and outflux of some of the worst elements of Long Island lacrosse now flowing through the TG program, making really difficult for the good people who used to make up the majority to want to stay. The program has really lost the feel of a family run, family first organization. I must say it all began to change when end of the season picnics stopped, there seemed a shift in attitude from the family. Very sad that my youngests experience (and my families current) is so much different from my eldest. And please do not tell me to talk to them, because that no longer happens. I am sorry to say.

There used to be an end of the season picnic?! When did it end?

Probably about 5-6 years ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most Clubs are very transient on their second and lower teams, Tops Guns has become very transient on the black teams. They attract many malcontents (mixed in with good people) who club hop, and have unrealistic expectations. Those are the ones who get on here with all anger (the ones who are on the team, and the ones who leave), so you have the influx and outflux of some of the worst elements of Long Island lacrosse now flowing through the TG program, making really difficult for the good people who used to make up the majority to want to stay. The program has really lost the feel of a family run, family first organization. I must say it all began to change when end of the season picnics stopped, there seemed a shift in attitude from the family. Very sad that my youngests experience (and my families current) is so much different from my eldest. And please do not tell me to talk to them, because that no longer happens. I am sorry to say.

Hey Troll...Your an idiot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most Clubs are very transient on their second and lower teams, Tops Guns has become very transient on the black teams. They attract many malcontents (mixed in with good people) who club hop, and have unrealistic expectations. Those are the ones who get on here with all anger (the ones who are on the team, and the ones who leave), so you have the influx and outflux of some of the worst elements of Long Island lacrosse now flowing through the TG program, making really difficult for the good people who used to make up the majority to want to stay. The program has really lost the feel of a family run, family first organization. I must say it all began to change when end of the season picnics stopped, there seemed a shift in attitude from the family. Very sad that my youngests experience (and my families current) is so much different from my eldest. And please do not tell me to talk to them, because that no longer happens. I am sorry to say.

My daughter plays on the 2023 Black team, and I haven't experienced any of this. Most of the same girls have been together now for several few years now. I have seen a few go who were not playing as much, and a few new girls come on from YJ who seem to be happy and stayed. The parents all get along, we never had a picnic, but BS does throw a couple BBQs at invitational scrimmages that we generally have in the spring. From the friends I have on other teams, TG doesn't seem much different from what goes on there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most Clubs are very transient on their second and lower teams, Tops Guns has become very transient on the black teams. They attract many malcontents (mixed in with good people) who club hop, and have unrealistic expectations. Those are the ones who get on here with all anger (the ones who are on the team, and the ones who leave), so you have the influx and outflux of some of the worst elements of Long Island lacrosse now flowing through the TG program, making really difficult for the good people who used to make up the majority to want to stay. The program has really lost the feel of a family run, family first organization. I must say it all began to change when end of the season picnics stopped, there seemed a shift in attitude from the family. Very sad that my youngests experience (and my families current) is so much different from my eldest. And please do not tell me to talk to them, because that no longer happens. I am sorry to say.

Hey Troll...Your an idiot.

Case and point

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most Clubs are very transient on their second and lower teams, Tops Guns has become very transient on the black teams. They attract many malcontents (mixed in with good people) who club hop, and have unrealistic expectations. Those are the ones who get on here with all anger (the ones who are on the team, and the ones who leave), so you have the influx and outflux of some of the worst elements of Long Island lacrosse now flowing through the TG program, making really difficult for the good people who used to make up the majority to want to stay. The program has really lost the feel of a family run, family first organization. I must say it all began to change when end of the season picnics stopped, there seemed a shift in attitude from the family. Very sad that my youngests experience (and my families current) is so much different from my eldest. And please do not tell me to talk to them, because that no longer happens. I am sorry to say.

Hey Troll...Your an idiot.

Case and point about my post and the idiots in this club. The 2023 team is a rarity in the program, has largely stayed together, which has been rare in other ages. They probably have one of the better coaches as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most Clubs are very transient on their second and lower teams, Tops Guns has become very transient on the black teams. They attract many malcontents (mixed in with good people) who club hop, and have unrealistic expectations. Those are the ones who get on here with all anger (the ones who are on the team, and the ones who leave), so you have the influx and outflux of some of the worst elements of Long Island lacrosse now flowing through the TG program, making really difficult for the good people who used to make up the majority to want to stay. The program has really lost the feel of a family run, family first organization. I must say it all began to change when end of the season picnics stopped, there seemed a shift in attitude from the family. Very sad that my youngests experience (and my families current) is so much different from my eldest. And please do not tell me to talk to them, because that no longer happens. I am sorry to say.

Hey Troll...Your an idiot.

Case and point about my post and the idiots in this club. The 2023 team is a rarity in the program, has largely stayed together, which has been rare in other ages. They probably have one of the better coaches as well.

So you answered yourself twice. Go troll somewhere else. Oh yea....I'm not a malcontent just don't like trolls like yourself.... See ya jacka$$

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most Clubs are very transient on their second and lower teams, Tops Guns has become very transient on the black teams. They attract many malcontents (mixed in with good people) who club hop, and have unrealistic expectations. Those are the ones who get on here with all anger (the ones who are on the team, and the ones who leave), so you have the influx and outflux of some of the worst elements of Long Island lacrosse now flowing through the TG program, making really difficult for the good people who used to make up the majority to want to stay. The program has really lost the feel of a family run, family first organization. I must say it all began to change when end of the season picnics stopped, there seemed a shift in attitude from the family. Very sad that my youngests experience (and my families current) is so much different from my eldest. And please do not tell me to talk to them, because that no longer happens. I am sorry to say.

Hey Troll...Your an idiot.

Case and point about my post and the idiots in this club. The 2023 team is a rarity in the program, has largely stayed together, which has been rare in other ages. They probably have one of the better coaches as well.

So you answered yourself twice. Go troll somewhere else. Oh yea....I'm not a malcontent just don't like trolls like yourself.... See ya jacka$$

Um, not sure if you think you are defending TG but all you are doing is making it look bad. For goodness sake, please stop! Why would anyone want to belong to an organization with someone who's vocabulary is pretty much limited to "troll". I think you're the troll...you certainly aren't helping TG with your angry rants.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most Clubs are very transient on their second and lower teams, Tops Guns has become very transient on the black teams. They attract many malcontents (mixed in with good people) who club hop, and have unrealistic expectations. Those are the ones who get on here with all anger (the ones who are on the team, and the ones who leave), so you have the influx and outflux of some of the worst elements of Long Island lacrosse now flowing through the TG program, making really difficult for the good people who used to make up the majority to want to stay. The program has really lost the feel of a family run, family first organization. I must say it all began to change when end of the season picnics stopped, there seemed a shift in attitude from the family. Very sad that my youngests experience (and my families current) is so much different from my eldest. And please do not tell me to talk to them, because that no longer happens. I am sorry to say.

Hey Troll...Your an idiot.

Case and point about my post and the idiots in this club. The 2023 team is a rarity in the program, has largely stayed together, which has been rare in other ages. They probably have one of the better coaches as well.

So you answered yourself twice. Go troll somewhere else. Oh yea....I'm not a malcontent just don't like trolls like yourself.... See ya jacka$$

This is the type of trash that this club has attracted recently. Unfortunately it is becoming more the rule rather the exception. Yes I did answer twice, because I didnt say everything I wanted to say.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most Clubs are very transient on their second and lower teams, Tops Guns has become very transient on the black teams. They attract many malcontents (mixed in with good people) who club hop, and have unrealistic expectations. Those are the ones who get on here with all anger (the ones who are on the team, and the ones who leave), so you have the influx and outflux of some of the worst elements of Long Island lacrosse now flowing through the TG program, making really difficult for the good people who used to make up the majority to want to stay. The program has really lost the feel of a family run, family first organization. I must say it all began to change when end of the season picnics stopped, there seemed a shift in attitude from the family. Very sad that my youngests experience (and my families current) is so much different from my eldest. And please do not tell me to talk to them, because that no longer happens. I am sorry to say.

Hey Troll...Your an idiot.

Case and point about my post and the idiots in this club. The 2023 team is a rarity in the program, has largely stayed together, which has been rare in other ages. They probably have one of the better coaches as well.

So you answered yourself twice. Go troll somewhere else. Oh yea....I'm not a malcontent just don't like trolls like yourself.... See ya jacka$$

This is the type of trash that this club has attracted recently. Unfortunately it is becoming more the rule rather the exception. Yes I did answer twice, because I didnt say everything I wanted to say.

I stand by my identifying you as a Jacka$$. You are obviously not a TG parent because you have been factually incorrect on every statement you have made. How about you backup your " transient player" claim with some facts........You cant. Your opinion is uninformed, stupid and just geared to cause your small manhood to get a rise. You have the nerve to call young girls/parents "malcontents" and "some of the worst elements of Long Island". You Jacka$$ are the problem. Again....troll somewhere else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most Clubs are very transient on their second and lower teams, Tops Guns has become very transient on the black teams. They attract many malcontents (mixed in with good people) who club hop, and have unrealistic expectations. Those are the ones who get on here with all anger (the ones who are on the team, and the ones who leave), so you have the influx and outflux of some of the worst elements of Long Island lacrosse now flowing through the TG program, making really difficult for the good people who used to make up the majority to want to stay. The program has really lost the feel of a family run, family first organization. I must say it all began to change when end of the season picnics stopped, there seemed a shift in attitude from the family. Very sad that my youngests experience (and my families current) is so much different from my eldest. And please do not tell me to talk to them, because that no longer happens. I am sorry to say.

Hey Troll...Your an idiot.

Case and point about my post and the idiots in this club. The 2023 team is a rarity in the program, has largely stayed together, which has been rare in other ages. They probably have one of the better coaches as well.

So you answered yourself twice. Go troll somewhere else. Oh yea....I'm not a malcontent just don't like trolls like yourself.... See ya jacka$$

This is the type of trash that this club has attracted recently. Unfortunately it is becoming more the rule rather the exception. Yes I did answer twice, because I didnt say everything I wanted to say.

Just an outside observation here: You both look quite foolish. You damage your own kid's club reputation which in turn damages her. Grow up its a forum for conversations not arguments between two knuckleheads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most Clubs are very transient on their second and lower teams, Tops Guns has become very transient on the black teams. They attract many malcontents (mixed in with good people) who club hop, and have unrealistic expectations. Those are the ones who get on here with all anger (the ones who are on the team, and the ones who leave), so you have the influx and outflux of some of the worst elements of Long Island lacrosse now flowing through the TG program, making really difficult for the good people who used to make up the majority to want to stay. The program has really lost the feel of a family run, family first organization. I must say it all began to change when end of the season picnics stopped, there seemed a shift in attitude from the family. Very sad that my youngests experience (and my families current) is so much different from my eldest. And please do not tell me to talk to them, because that no longer happens. I am sorry to say.

Hey Troll...Your an idiot.

Case and point about my post and the idiots in this club. The 2023 team is a rarity in the program, has largely stayed together, which has been rare in other ages. They probably have one of the better coaches as well.

So you answered yourself twice. Go troll somewhere else. Oh yea....I'm not a malcontent just don't like trolls like yourself.... See ya jacka$$

This is the type of trash that this club has attracted recently. Unfortunately it is becoming more the rule rather the exception. Yes I did answer twice, because I didnt say everything I wanted to say.

I stand by my identifying you as a Jacka$$. You are obviously not a TG parent because you have been factually incorrect on every statement you have made. How about you backup your " transient player" claim with some facts........You cant. Your opinion is uninformed, stupid and just geared to cause your small manhood to get a rise. You have the nerve to call young girls/parents "malcontents" and "some of the worst elements of Long Island". You Jacka$$ are the problem. Again....troll somewhere else.

Yes, probably a parent of a girl cut. Need to get on with your new club and let go of the past. Heres an idea, start a tread for your new team and go [lacrosse] over there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most Clubs are very transient on their second and lower teams, Tops Guns has become very transient on the black teams. They attract many malcontents (mixed in with good people) who club hop, and have unrealistic expectations. Those are the ones who get on here with all anger (the ones who are on the team, and the ones who leave), so you have the influx and outflux of some of the worst elements of Long Island lacrosse now flowing through the TG program, making really difficult for the good people who used to make up the majority to want to stay. The program has really lost the feel of a family run, family first organization. I must say it all began to change when end of the season picnics stopped, there seemed a shift in attitude from the family. Very sad that my youngests experience (and my families current) is so much different from my eldest. And please do not tell me to talk to them, because that no longer happens. I am sorry to say.

Hey Troll...Your an idiot.

Case and point about my post and the idiots in this club. The 2023 team is a rarity in the program, has largely stayed together, which has been rare in other ages. They probably have one of the better coaches as well.

So you answered yourself twice. Go troll somewhere else. Oh yea....I'm not a malcontent just don't like trolls like yourself.... See ya jacka$$

This is the type of trash that this club has attracted recently. Unfortunately it is becoming more the rule rather the exception. Yes I did answer twice, because I didnt say everything I wanted to say.

I stand by my identifying you as a Jacka$$. You are obviously not a TG parent because you have been factually incorrect on every statement you have made. How about you backup your " transient player" claim with some facts........You cant. Your opinion is uninformed, stupid and just geared to cause your small manhood to get a rise. You have the nerve to call young girls/parents "malcontents" and "some of the worst elements of Long Island". You Jacka$$ are the problem. Again....troll somewhere else.

Only the parents are Malcontents never meant to refer to the girls. All the girls in the program are very nice as almost all the girls are at all the Clubs. It's the adults who are the problem. You are looking for facts, then it is you who have not been around this club for very long and as I have said are probably one of the transient malcontents.

I don't even think DK at Elevate has a picnic these days. On the bright side, at least there was a TG "thank you for a great season" email this year. Oh yeah, there was also a TG camp plug and a "remember to send in your check for tryouts" reminder right after the ty.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't even think DK at Elevate has a picnic these days. On the bright side, at least there was a TG "thank you for a great season" email this year. Oh yeah, there was also a TG camp plug and a "remember to send in your check for tryouts" reminder right after the ty.

Yes, that is because it is a business. You also get thank you's from Verizon after paying bills and they email you with other offers. If you do not like Verizon you stop the service and the bills stop coming. Same with TG, if you are unhappy then you do not play for them and they do not send you emails about billing payments.

You are right about the comparison between TG and Verizon. Roster decisions and playing time on TG is just as hard to figure out and explain as a Verizon bill. And they both vary from month to month.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are right about the comparison between TG and Verizon. Roster decisions and playing time on TG is just as hard to figure out and explain as a Verizon bill. And they both vary from month to month.

If your daughter performs on the field, she will be on the field, as it should be. If she misses passes, stands around, and is too slow, she will sit, as it should be. Sounds like youre not happy and/or willing to put the work in. Maybe time to move on?

If your daughter performs on the field, she will be on the field, as it should be. If she misses passes, stands around, and is too slow, she will sit, as it should be. Sounds like youre not happy and/or willing to put the work in. Maybe time to move on?[/quote]

Are you for real? TG is almost as bad politically as YJ on certain age groups. Slow girls who miss passes should not be playing at all, yet alone on the black team. WI and Babylon girls in particular are favored on this club, and some aren't very good. Girls get demoted to purple, call BS and complain, and they get moved back to black. That's why you have roster sizes larger than 24, and it's not fair to the girls who have to sacrifice playing time to these slow girls that catch that you speak of.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your daughter performs on the field, she will be on the field, as it should be. If she misses passes, stands around, and is too slow, she will sit, as it should be. Sounds like youre not happy and/or willing to put the work in. Maybe time to move on?

Are you for real? TG is almost as bad politically as YJ on certain age groups. Slow girls who miss passes should not be playing at all, yet alone on the black team. WIHS and BHS (suffolk) girls in particular are favored on this club, and some aren't very good. Girls get demoted to purple, call BS and complain, and they get moved back to black. That's why you have roster sizes larger than 24, and it's not fair to the girls who have to sacrifice playing time to these slow girls that catch that you speak of.[/quote] what age group are u referring to?

[/quote] what age group are u referring to?

2020 - 2022

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[/quote] what age group are u referring to?

2020 - 2022

i know 2021 has a lot of wi. But they're purple and white. So how are they being favored. 2020 has some on black. Deserved

white trash with no skill

Originally Posted by Anonymous

white trash with no skill

Look in the mirror buddy

Did the Top Guns 2020 team at the Presidents Cup have 2021 players on it this year. I have heard of at least two 2021's playing down there in this tournament?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Top Guns 2020 team at the Presidents Cup have 2021 players on it this year. I have heard of at least two 2021's playing down there in this tournament?

if your with TG ask the director.

if your not....why do you care. Leave Troll

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Top Guns 2020 team at the Presidents Cup have 2021 players on it this year. I have heard of at least two 2021's playing down there in this tournament?

No must have been another club

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Top Guns 2020 team at the Presidents Cup have 2021 players on it this year. I have heard of at least two 2021's playing down there in this tournament?

if your with TG ask the director.

if your not....why do you care. Leave Troll

2021 Black played at a different tournament in Florida last week not Presidents Cup

wow..if 20's had '21's playing at President Cup then club runs the risk of being banned by IWCLA for 1 year from that. Same at Debut with 22's playing on '21 team. Id be bummed if i had a kid who was of recruiting age not being able to play next November.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wow..if 20's had '21's playing at President Cup then club runs the risk of being banned by IWCLA for 1 year from that. Same at Debut with 22's playing on '21 team. Id be bummed if i had a kid who was of recruiting age not being able to play next November.

21 Black played at IWLCA Fall Debut in Davenport Florida. 20 Black played at Presidents Cup with only 2020 players. Thanks for asking

The rules state that a 2020 team was allowed up to 3 2021 players...

Who cares, they got crushed at presidents cup

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The rules state that a 2020 team was allowed up to 3 2021 players...

Doesn't matter what the rule is. The original poster claimed that 2021's played with 2020 Black and that did not happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The rules state that a 2020 team was allowed up to 3 2021 players...

Nice . The funny thing is TG has done this in the past and the same thing has happened with people making accusations , I think it's a smart move as you get a couple of your better younger players some early exposure . I also think it's funny that you had some posters on here trying to deny it happened without actually denying it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The rules state that a 2020 team was allowed up to 3 2021 players...

Nice . The funny thing is TG has done this in the past and the same thing has happened with people making accusations , I think it's a smart move as you get a couple of your better younger players some early exposure . I also think it's funny that you had some posters on here trying to deny it happened without actually denying it.

The troll is back. Go stir your crap elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The rules state that a 2020 team was allowed up to 3 2021 players...

Nice . The funny thing is TG has done this in the past and the same thing has happened with people making accusations , I think it's a smart move as you get a couple of your better younger players some early exposure . I also think it's funny that you had some posters on here trying to deny it happened without actually denying it.

Not talking about the past. This year 2021 players did not play up with 2020

There were a few 2021's who played with the 2020's at the Presidents Cup this year. Not sure how many, but at least 2 (2 girls posted it on their social media), but looked like possibly 4 which would put them in violation of the rules. At least one family was told by [lacrosse] to keep it quiet. Guess the girls didn't get the memo. It would be funny to see SS get in trouble with her own coaches association.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were a few 2021's who played with the 2020's at the Presidents Cup this year. Not sure how many, but at least 2 (2 girls posted it on their social media), but looked like possibly 4 which would put them in violation of the rules. At least one family was told by [lacrosse] to keep it quiet. Guess the girls didn't get the memo. It would be funny to see SS get in trouble with her own coaches association.

You can't keep making stuff up. My kid is on 2020 Black and the only kid that was on the team that wasn't on last years team was the new girl from GC. 2020 black didn't have any 2021 girls playing for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were a few 2021's who played with the 2020's at the Presidents Cup this year. Not sure how many, but at least 2 (2 girls posted it on their social media), but looked like possibly 4 which would put them in violation of the rules. At least one family was told by [lacrosse] to keep it quiet. Guess the girls didn't get the memo. It would be funny to see SS get in trouble with her own coaches association.

What would be funny is if your daughter could ever be half the player that SS was. Instead she’s just another run of the mill girl with dopey jack [lacrosse] parents (that would be you)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were a few 2021's who played with the 2020's at the Presidents Cup this year. Not sure how many, but at least 2 (2 girls posted it on their social media), but looked like possibly 4 which would put them in violation of the rules. At least one family was told by [lacrosse] to keep it quiet. Guess the girls didn't get the memo. It would be funny to see SS get in trouble with her own coaches association.

You truly have no idea what you’re talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Top Guns 2020 team at the Presidents Cup have 2021 players on it this year. I have heard of at least two 2021's playing down there in this tournament?

I think you are mistaking them for one of the Maryland teams - who had players that you might have seen on a 2020 team last summer, but are now 2021's going forward because of the private school re-classing. They will sort out the rosters after the fall season and those girls will be on their proper 2021 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were a few 2021's who played with the 2020's at the Presidents Cup this year. Not sure how many, but at least 2 (2 girls posted it on their social media), but looked like possibly 4 which would put them in violation of the rules. At least one family was told by [lacrosse] to keep it quiet. Guess the girls didn't get the memo. It would be funny to see SS get in trouble with her own coaches association.

Now the troll is stalking 14 year old girls social media and playing Paul Bart Mall Detective.

Anyone see the 91 girls play the boys in box down at the Maple Leaf Box tournament? These girls are legit!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone see the 91 girls play the boys in box down at the Maple Leaf Box tournament? These girls are legit!

They are all Yellow Jackets, not 91.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone see the 91 girls play the boys in box down at the Maple Leaf Box tournament? These girls are legit!

They are all Yellow Jackets, not 91.

They are Long Island Swarm and Spallina is the coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone see the 91 girls play the boys in box down at the Maple Leaf Box tournament? These girls are legit!

They are all Yellow Jackets, not 91.

They are Long Island Swarm and Spallina is the coach.

wow...I'm impressed.....not

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone see the 91 girls play the boys in box down at the Maple Leaf Box tournament? These girls are legit!

They are all Yellow Jackets, not 91.

They are Long Island Swarm and Spallina is the coach.

Does CR know they're the LI Swarm and not Yellow Jackets? She's posting them in her twitter feed. Someone should tell her. With her exceptional moral compass, she'd never falsely advertise.

Btw - this is the Top Guns thread. Take your YJ Swarm junk to the YJ thread. You can tell Spallina there that you want to have his next child if he hasn't already figured it out for himself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone see the 91 girls play the boys in box down at the Maple Leaf Box tournament? These girls are legit!

They are all Yellow Jackets, not 91.

They are Long Island Swarm and Spallina is the coach.

Does CR know they're the LI Swarm and not Yellow Jackets? She's posting them in her twitter feed. Someone should tell her. With her exceptional moral compass, she'd never falsely advertise.

Btw - this is the Top Guns thread. Take your YJ Swarm junk to the YJ thread. You can tell Spallina there that you want to have his next child if he hasn't already figured it out for himself.

Who cares!! Not that impressed. That team can’t beat the Maryland teams now, and JS will discard half that team when he finds someone else to try to make his daughter look good, which is the only thing he’s interested in.

Forgot top guns existed as did most top players. After the 2019 group graduates clubs in trouble This is the reason multiple 21's were used on our team in Florida [lacrosse] gave some poor excuse about last minute drop outs to fill the roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Forgot top guns existed as did most top players. After the 2019 group graduates clubs in trouble This is the reason multiple 21's were used on our team in Florida [lacrosse] gave some poor excuse about last minute drop outs to fill the roster.

Other than 2023, the club is bleeding players. They just lost 4-5 TG Black Girls to YJ and Legacy at 2024. They lost some of their top players at 2021 last year and this year. Getting pretty bear bones there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Forgot top guns existed as did most top players. After the 2019 group graduates clubs in trouble This is the reason multiple 21's were used on our team in Florida [lacrosse] gave some poor excuse about last minute drop outs to fill the roster.

Is that you West Hampton?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Forgot top guns existed as did most top players. After the 2019 group graduates clubs in trouble This is the reason multiple 21's were used on our team in Florida [lacrosse] gave some poor excuse about last minute drop outs to fill the roster.

Other than 2023, the club is bleeding players. They just lost 4-5 TG Black Girls to YJ and Legacy at 2024. They lost some of their top players at 2021 last year and this year. Getting pretty bear bones there.

21's lost most of their talent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Forgot top guns existed as did most top players. After the 2019 group graduates clubs in trouble This is the reason multiple 21's were used on our team in Florida [lacrosse] gave some poor excuse about last minute drop outs to fill the roster.

Other than 2023, the club is bleeding players. They just lost 4-5 TG Black Girls to YJ and Legacy at 2024. They lost some of their top players at 2021 last year and this year. Getting pretty bear bones there.

21's lost most of their talent

Is that you WI

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Forgot top guns existed as did most top players. After the 2019 group graduates clubs in trouble This is the reason multiple 21's were used on our team in Florida [lacrosse] gave some poor excuse about last minute drop outs to fill the roster.

Umm...the 2023 TG team beats YJ every time they play, and beats/competes well with all the other top clubs. Another dope who knows nothing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Forgot top guns existed as did most top players. After the 2019 group graduates clubs in trouble This is the reason multiple 21's were used on our team in Florida [lacrosse] gave some poor excuse about last minute drop outs to fill the roster.

OK Paul Bart Mall Cop. You solved the case. The 2021 team played for the 2020 team and the 2020 team played for the 2021 team in FL. It was a big conspiracy. Everyone was told to "keep it quite" but you came along on your scooter, driving with your little feet and hands and broke the case. Now run along and take your shine box with you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Forgot top guns existed as did most top players. After the 2019 group graduates clubs in trouble This is the reason multiple 21's were used on our team in Florida [lacrosse] gave some poor excuse about last minute drop outs to fill the roster.

OK Paul Bart Mall Cop. You solved the case. The 2021 team played for the 2020 team and the 2020 team played for the 2021 team in FL. It was a big conspiracy. Everyone was told to "keep it quite" but you came along on your scooter, driving with your little feet and hands and broke the case. Now run along and take your shine box with you.

Honestly why are you so angry that someone said they had a few 2021 kids play up with the 2020 team. Its allowed by the rules of the tournament, they did the same thing the year before so who cares. Unless of course your little 2021 was not one of the chosen few to get the early exposure.

2020 Black had there team there. They did not have any 2021's playing with them.

What happened to our old goalies?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Forgot top guns existed as did most top players. After the 2019 group graduates clubs in trouble This is the reason multiple 21's were used on our team in Florida [lacrosse] gave some poor excuse about last minute drop outs to fill the roster.

OK Paul Bart Mall Cop. You solved the case. The 2021 team played for the 2020 team and the 2020 team played for the 2021 team in FL. It was a big conspiracy. Everyone was told to "keep it quite" but you came along on your scooter, driving with your little feet and hands and broke the case. Now run along and take your shine box with you.

Honestly why are you so angry that someone said they had a few 2021 kids play up with the 2020 team. Its allowed by the rules of the tournament, they did the same thing the year before so who cares. Unless of course your little 2021 was not one of the chosen few to get the early exposure.

You da man Paul Bart Mall Cop. We are lucky you are here. Now put your kids mittens on and take your shine box home

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Forgot top guns existed as did most top players. After the 2019 group graduates clubs in trouble This is the reason multiple 21's were used on our team in Florida [lacrosse] gave some poor excuse about last minute drop outs to fill the roster.

OK Paul Bart Mall Cop. You solved the case. The 2021 team played for the 2020 team and the 2020 team played for the 2021 team in FL. It was a big conspiracy. Everyone was told to "keep it quite" but you came along on your scooter, driving with your little feet and hands and broke the case. Now run along and take your shine box with you.

Honestly why are you so angry that someone said they had a few 2021 kids play up with the 2020 team. Its allowed by the rules of the tournament, they did the same thing the year before so who cares. Unless of course your little 2021 was not one of the chosen few to get the early exposure.

You da man Paul Bart Mall Cop. We are lucky you are here. Now put your kids mittens on and take your shine box home

Your just pissed because your best kids left both teams over the last few years, and your left with a sinking ship and a club director who tries to control who recruits their kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Forgot top guns existed as did most top players. After the 2019 group graduates clubs in trouble This is the reason multiple 21's were used on our team in Florida [lacrosse] gave some poor excuse about last minute drop outs to fill the roster.

OK Paul Bart Mall Cop. You solved the case. The 2021 team played for the 2020 team and the 2020 team played for the 2021 team in FL. It was a big conspiracy. Everyone was told to "keep it quite" but you came along on your scooter, driving with your little feet and hands and broke the case. Now run along and take your shine box with you.

Honestly why are you so angry that someone said they had a few 2021 kids play up with the 2020 team. Its allowed by the rules of the tournament, they did the same thing the year before so who cares. Unless of course your little 2021 was not one of the chosen few to get the early exposure.

You da man Paul Bart Mall Cop. We are lucky you are here. Now put your kids mittens on and take your shine box home

Your just pissed because your best kids left both teams over the last few years, and your left with a sinking ship and a club director who tries to control who recruits their kids.

Sounds like you’re the one who’s pissed, and can’t stop stalking the TG page. Time for you get a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Forgot top guns existed as did most top players. After the 2019 group graduates clubs in trouble This is the reason multiple 21's were used on our team in Florida [lacrosse] gave some poor excuse about last minute drop outs to fill the roster.

OK Paul Bart Mall Cop. You solved the case. The 2021 team played for the 2020 team and the 2020 team played for the 2021 team in FL. It was a big conspiracy. Everyone was told to "keep it quite" but you came along on your scooter, driving with your little feet and hands and broke the case. Now run along and take your shine box
with you.

Honestly why are you so angry that someone said they had a few 2021 kids play up with the 2020 team. Its allowed by the rules of the tournament, they did the same thing the year before so who cares. Unless of course your little 2021 was not one of the chosen few to get the early exposure.

You da man Paul Bart Mall Cop. We are lucky you are here. Now put your kids mittens on and take your shine box home

First it's Paul Blart you dope . So your kid was not one of the kids given a head start on recruiting ,don't worry she will always have Hofstra .Also please let your wife know I accidentally left my shine box under the bed I can pick it up tmrw.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Forgot top guns existed as did most top players. After the 2019 group graduates clubs in trouble This is the reason multiple 21's were used on our team in Florida [lacrosse] gave some poor excuse about last minute drop outs to fill the roster.

OK Paul Bart Mall Cop. You solved the case. The 2021 team played for the 2020 team and the 2020 team played for the 2021 team in FL. It was a big conspiracy. Everyone was told to "keep it quite" but you came along on your scooter, driving with your little feet and hands and broke the case. Now run along and take your shine box
with you.

Honestly why are you so angry that someone said they had a few 2021 kids play up with the 2020 team. Its allowed by the rules of the tournament, they did the same thing the year before so who cares. Unless of course your little 2021 was not one of the chosen few to get the early exposure.

You da man Paul Bart Mall Cop. We are lucky you are here. Now put your kids mittens on and take your shine box home

First it's Paul Blart you dope . So your kid was not one of the kids given a head start on recruiting ,don't worry she will always have Hofstra .Also please let your wife know I accidentally left my shine box under the bed I can pick it up tmrw.

West Hampton

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Forgot top guns existed as did most top players. After the 2019 group graduates clubs in trouble This is the reason multiple 21's were used on our team in Florida [lacrosse] gave some poor excuse about last minute drop outs to fill the roster.

OK Paul Bart Mall Cop. You solved the case. The 2021 team played for the 2020 team and the 2020 team played for the 2021 team in FL. It was a big conspiracy. Everyone was told to "keep it quite" but you came along on your scooter, driving with your little feet and hands and broke the case. Now run along and take your shine box
with you.

Honestly why are you so angry that someone said they had a few 2021 kids play up with the 2020 team. Its allowed by the rules of the tournament, they did the same thing the year before so who cares. Unless of course your little 2021 was not one of the chosen few to get the early exposure.

You da man Paul Bart Mall Cop. We are lucky you are here. Now put your kids mittens on and take your shine box home

First it's Paul Blart you dope . So your kid was not one of the kids given a head start on recruiting ,don't worry she will always have Hofstra .Also please let your wife know I accidentally left my shine box under the bed I can pick it up tmrw.

West Hampton

Is that all you TG [lacrosse] say when your sh * T program gets exposed, you list the names of towns in which you top players whom left for greener pastures where from. Why don't you add Mt. Sinai , Wantagh, ESM, EI,Riverhead, BBP, Ward Melville in addition to West Islip and Westhampton to your list of top girls who left your program and who know your a sham.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Forgot top guns existed as did most top players. After the 2019 group graduates clubs in trouble This is the reason multiple 21's were used on our team in Florida [lacrosse] gave some poor excuse about last minute drop outs to fill the roster.

OK Paul Bart Mall Cop. You solved the case. The 2021 team played for the 2020 team and the 2020 team played for the 2021 team in FL. It was a big conspiracy. Everyone was told to "keep it quite" but you came along on your scooter, driving with your little feet and hands and broke the case. Now run along and take your shine box
with you.

Honestly why are you so angry that someone said they had a few 2021 kids play up with the 2020 team. Its allowed by the rules of the tournament, they did the same thing the year before so who cares. Unless of course your little 2021 was not one of the chosen few to get the early exposure.

You da man Paul Bart Mall Cop. We are lucky you are here. Now put your kids mittens on and take your shine box home

First it's Paul Blart you dope . So your kid was not one of the kids given a head start on recruiting ,don't worry she will always have Hofstra .Also please let your wife know I accidentally left my shine box under the bed I can pick it up tmrw.

Cmon Paul Bart Mall Cop. Don't want to infringe on copyright. You should know that. But then again, your information has been wrong since you first trolled the thread.Oh, by the way that was my uncles bed where you left your shine box. He confirmed your very small hands and feet match the rest of you. Now run along and troll elsewhere and take your little shine box with ya.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Forgot top guns existed as did most top players. After the 2019 group graduates clubs in trouble This is the reason multiple 21's were used on our team in Florida [lacrosse] gave some poor excuse about last minute drop outs to fill the roster.

OK Paul Bart Mall Cop. You solved the case. The 2021 team played for the 2020 team and the 2020 team played for the 2021 team in FL. It was a big conspiracy. Everyone was told to "keep it quite" but you came along on your scooter, driving with your little feet and hands and broke the case. Now run along and take your shine box
with you.

Honestly why are you so angry that someone said they had a few 2021 kids play up with the 2020 team. Its allowed by the rules of the tournament, they did the same thing the year before so who cares. Unless of course your little 2021 was not one of the chosen few to get the early exposure.

You da man Paul Bart Mall Cop. We are lucky you are here. Now put your kids mittens on and take your shine box home

First it's Paul Blart you dope . So your kid was not one of the kids given a head start on recruiting ,don't worry she will always have Hofstra .Also please let your wife know I accidentally left my shine box under the bed I can pick it up tmrw.

Cmon Paul Bart Mall Cop. Don't want to infringe on copyright. You should know that. But then again, your information has been wrong since you first trolled the thread.Oh, by the way that was my uncles bed where you left your shine box. He confirmed your very small hands and feet match the rest of you. Now run along and troll elsewhere and take your little shine box with ya.
[/quot

Weird that you would throw your uncle under the bus ,possible those repressed memories from your childhood are coming back . Do you honestly think anyone believes you were using the wrong name to protect against copy write infringement ,what a dope. You got the name wrong it happens just like when you refuse to accept that your kid was not asked to play up and get the early exposure like the superstar 2021 players, it happens. Still hilarious that you are abusing your uncle ,you must be a real hoot around these family holidays.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares, they got crushed at presidents cup

2020's didn't get crushed. They played close games against good teams. 2019's got crushed. 2 weekends in a row that TG "Black" team is put in the top bracket of tournaments and both weekends were a waste of time for all involved. Must have sucked to travel to Florida to play 4 noncompetitive games. Why would SS/[lacrosse] subject those kids to that especially at a recruiting showcase. Plenty of college coaches on the sidelines so not sure how playing teams way above their pay grade is going to help them. A lot of time and money wasted.

Cmon Paul Bart Mall Cop. The best you can do is bring up young female student/athletes and disparage them with your fake news "information". You are a little man clown. Now go troll elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Forgot top guns existed as did most top players. After the 2019 group graduates clubs in trouble This is the reason multiple 21's were used on our team in Florida [lacrosse] gave some poor excuse about last minute drop outs to fill the roster.

OK Paul Bart Mall Cop. You solved the case. The 2021 team played for the 2020 team and the 2020 team played for the 2021 team in FL. It was a big conspiracy. Everyone was told to "keep it quite" but you came along on your scooter, driving with your little feet and hands and broke the case. Now run along and take your shine box
with you.

Honestly why are you so angry that someone said they had a few 2021 kids play up with the 2020 team. Its allowed by the rules of the tournament, they did the same thing the year before so who cares. Unless of course your little 2021 was not one of the chosen few to get the early exposure.

You da man Paul Bart Mall Cop. We are lucky you are here. Now put your kids mittens on and take your shine box home

First it's Paul Blart you dope . So your kid was not one of the kids given a head start on recruiting ,don't worry she will always have Hofstra .Also please let your wife know I accidentally left my shine box under the bed I can pick it up tmrw.

West Hampton

Is that all you TG [lacrosse] say when your sh * T program gets exposed, you list the names of towns in which you top players whom left for greener pastures where from. Why don't you add Mt. Sinai , Wantagh, ESM, EI,Riverhead, BBP, Ward Melville in addition to West Islip and Westhampton to your list of top girls who left your program and who know your a sham.

Why are you so mad and obsessed about TG. Nobody cares about the girls who left. Everyone is replaceable and those girls were easily replaced. Sounds like your daughter was cut and you just can’t get over it. You sound like a pathetic fool who needs a hobby.

It's the same WH guy that left 3 or 4 years ago and just can't get over it. He has issues that only therapy can resolve

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cmon Paul Bart Mall Cop. The best you can do is bring up young female student/athletes and disparage them with your fake news "information". You are a little man clown. Now go troll elsewhere.

Copy right infringement , what a clown. A psychologist would have a field day with you , seem to reference physical features of young people and your uncle a lot , sad. It's no big deal TG had a couple kids play up in age at a tournament where the rules state they can so those kids get a jump on recruiting , it's a good idea by SS . Many clubs do the same thing ,get their best players recruited then the rest of you will fall in place .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cmon Paul Bart Mall Cop. The best you can do is bring up young female student/athletes and disparage them with your fake news "information". You are a little man clown. Now go troll elsewhere.

Copy right infringement , what a clown. A psychologist would have a field day with you , seem to reference physical features of young people and your uncle a lot , sad. It's no big deal TG had a couple kids play up in age at a tournament where the rules state they can so those kids get a jump on recruiting , it's a good idea by SS . Many clubs do the same thing ,get their best players recruited then the rest of you will fall in place .

Don't think anyone cares about what you think is a "good idea". Take your TG obsession and troll elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's the same WH guy that left 3 or 4 years ago and just can't get over it. He has issues that only therapy can resolve

He is over it. TG is a distant memory for them and many, many others. But there is a obsession here, you TG people are clearly obsessed on WH. Seriously take a look at the very best players on long island and tell me what club they play for? Yes a few from TG, but mostly not. And many of the very best also have something else in common, they used to play TG. I will say this, TG does attract its fair share of talent, but the best of it moves on, over and over, age group after age group. Forget about the B, C team players as they jump back and forth constantly, but look at how many very top A players leave TG and go to YJ. It is a one way street, overwhelmingly. What does that tell you? Yes, i get it, people get nasty towards the people who have moved on, but you are the ones who need to get over it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's the same WH guy that left 3 or 4 years ago and just can't get over it. He has issues that only therapy can resolve

He is over it. TG is a distant memory for them and many, many others. But there is a obsession here, you TG people are clearly obsessed on WH. Seriously take a look at the very best players on long island and tell me what club they play for? Yes a few from TG, but mostly not. And many of the very best also have something else in common, they used to play TG. I will say this, TG does attract its fair share of talent, but the best of it moves on, over and over, age group after age group. Forget about the B, C team players as they jump back and forth constantly, but look at how many very top A players leave TG and go to YJ. It is a one way street, overwhelmingly. What does that tell you? Yes, i get it, people get nasty towards the people who have moved on, but you are the ones who need to get over it.

Nothing to get over, but you clearly have a lot of anger and anxiety. Why not worry about your own daughter and stop stalking the TG page. Bizzare!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's the same WH guy that left 3 or 4 years ago and just can't get over it. He has issues that only therapy can resolve

He is over it. TG is a distant memory for them and many, many others. But there is a obsession here, you TG people are clearly obsessed on WH. Seriously take a look at the very best players on long island and tell me what club they play for? Yes a few from TG, but mostly not. And many of the very best also have something else in common, they used to play TG. I will say this, TG does attract its fair share of talent, but the best of it moves on, over and over, age group after age group. Forget about the B, C team players as they jump back and forth constantly, but look at how many very top A players leave TG and go to YJ. It is a one way street, overwhelmingly. What does that tell you? Yes, i get it, people get nasty towards the people who have moved on, but you are the ones who need to get over it.

Bizzarro. Soooo let me get this straight... TG has good players. TG had good players. Some TG players leave. Some TG players stay. All true. The big fact is: nobody gives a rats a$$ that you left, what you think and your opinion. Go elsewhere and take care of your kid and be happy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone see the 91 girls play the boys in box down at the Maple Leaf Box tournament? These girls are legit!

They are all Yellow Jackets, not 91.

They are Long Island Swarm and Spallina is the coach.

Does CR know they're the LI Swarm and not Yellow Jackets? She's posting them in her twitter feed. Someone should tell her. With her exceptional moral compass, she'd never falsely advertise.

Btw - this is the Top Guns thread. Take your YJ Swarm junk to the YJ thread. You can tell Spallina there that you want to have his next child if he hasn't already figured it out for himself.

Who cares!! Not that impressed. That team can’t beat the Maryland teams now, and JS will discard half that team when he finds someone else to try to make his daughter look good, which is the only thing he’s interested in.

That YJ team already beat ALL the MD Teams. ALL!
Not a big fan of the organization, but I'm not smart enough to see a A+ talent packed team. Legit is right

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone see the 91 girls play the boys in box down at the Maple Leaf Box tournament? These girls are legit!

They are all Yellow Jackets, not 91.

They are Long Island Swarm and Spallina is the coach.

Does CR know they're the LI Swarm and not Yellow Jackets? She's posting them in her twitter feed. Someone should tell her. With her exceptional moral compass, she'd never falsely advertise.

Btw - this is the Top Guns thread. Take your YJ Swarm junk to the YJ thread. You can tell Spallina there that you want to have his next child if he hasn't already figured it out for himself.

Who cares!! Not that impressed. That team can’t beat the Maryland teams now, and JS will discard half that team when he finds someone else to try to make his daughter look good, which is the only thing he’s interested in.

That YJ team already beat ALL the MD Teams. ALL!
Not a big fan of the organization, but I'm not smart enough to see a A+ talent packed team. Legit is right

Hmm.... they actually lost to those teams more than they won. Easy there! They’ll be legit until your daughter gets cut. Now please go make some fake news up on the ‘25 page. Nobody here gives a crap.

The 2 kids lost from 2021 are good kids their DADS are a mess!! Talk about not knowing lacrosse and nothing what it means to be part of a Team!! I dont know if the kids play for their town but Good Luck and by the way they were not the best kids they lost

JS belongs with CR. Both kind of icky but JS wins everywhere he goes he definitely knows how to coach

[quote=Anonymous]The 2 kids lost from 2021 are good kids their DADS are a mess!! Talk about not knowing lacrosse and nothing what it means to be part of a Team!! I dont know if the kids play for their town but Good Luck and by the way they were not the best kids they lost

Addition by subtraction. Losing those dads is a plus for TG. Good luck Legacy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The 2 kids lost from 2021 are good kids their DADS are a mess!! Talk about not knowing lacrosse and nothing what it means to be part of a Team!! I dont know if the kids play for their town but Good Luck and by the way they were not the best kids they lost

Addition by subtraction. Losing those dads is a plus for TG. Good luck Legacy.

Is this small flurry of comments an effort to keep TG relevant? Nobody cares...

Whoever these 2 players you are speaking of are young ladies- if they weren't the best players then you shouldn't care that they left. Instead of spending so much time knocking others and putting down the parents (who it seems you wont have to spend time with on the sidelines)- how about get excited about the upcoming season. Negativity is so unbecoming and sets such a bad example.

When do Top Guns post their roster?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do Top Guns post their roster?

When Bill wakes up from his winter hibernation

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do Top Guns post their roster?

When Bill wakes up from his winter hibernation

Rosters go up after all the back door deals are done

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do Top Guns post their roster?

Why do you care??? Obviously you are not on a TG team. Worry about your own team/club. Have a pleasant day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]When do Top Guns post their roster?

When Bill wakes up from his winter hibernation

Rosters go up after all the back door deals are done

Back door deals are still going on I thought they'd be done be now

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]When do Top Guns post their roster?

When Bill wakes up from his winter hibernation

Rosters go up after all the back door deals are done

Back door deals are still going on I thought they'd be done be now

Why do you care??? Obviously you are not on a TG team. Worry about your own team/club. Have a pleasant day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Andrew Smith.. really you are classless. You were Disgusting in the way you talk in front of our girls. absolute defeated status has just been confirmed on The News. You are an embarrassment to the hard-working men and women in law enforcement.

Well, at least he has Coaching to fall back on..Sunday wall ball

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Andrew Smith.. really you are classless. You were Disgusting in the way you talk in front of our girls. absolute defeated status has just been confirmed on The News. You are an embarrassment to the hard-working men and women in law enforcement.

It is said that this young man made a poor decision and it will more than likely cost him a great career and perhaps more on a personal level. It is sadder that people like you come on this forum just to bash someone because you feel your daughter has been treated poorly. I assume you left TG at this point. There are so many choices now on LI for girls lacrosse and hopefully, you found the right fit. Step up and show some maturity for an adult, this sad situation carries a little more weight than getting yelled at in a youth lacrosse travel organization. If your daughter gets the chance to play at the college level, she had better get ready. I can assure you the experience entails a lot more yelling and expectations. My daughter played for TG and there were some stressful times. I feel it better prepared her for the college lacrosse experience. Good luck to all

Sorry but it seems this was easily predicted years ago on this very site and the TG faithful backed him up . It’s amazing these organizations get away with this nonsense. Years ago they were posting about what a disgrace the small coaches from YJ were and in the end they were right as neither of those two people ( 2019 coaches) should have been around let alone been coaching young women. You have three horrible role models who were called out years ago on this vey site and sadly parents still let their daughters be around these losers hoping to get their kid a lacrosse scholarship . If your child was on one of these teams you all should be embarrassed . I almost get SS in that it’s her brother but he is not the only horrendous male role model in that group and CR was allowed to have her kid attend a school that they did not live in the district of so she would allow 1 to continue coaching even if she knows he is a disgusting person . Amazing with the amount of enmities she has no one turned her in or her accomplish to the school district .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but it seems this was easily predicted years ago on this very site and the TG faithful backed him up . It’s amazing these organizations get away with this nonsense. Years ago they were posting about what a disgrace the “[ChillLaxin] “ coaches from YJ were and in the end they were right as neither of those two midgets ( 2019 coaches) should have been around let alone been coaching young women. You have three horrible role models who were called out years ago on this vey site and sadly parents still let their daughters be around these losers hoping to get their kid a lacrosse scholarship . If your child was on one of these teams you all should be embarrassed . I almost get SS in that it’s her brother but he is not the only horrendous male role model in that group and CR was allowed to have her kid attend a school that they did not live in the district of so she would allow 1 of the midgets to continue coaching even if she knows he is a disgusting person . Amazing with the amount of enmities she has no one turned her in or her [ChillLaxin] accomplish to the school district .

There are some female coaches and directors of small programs that are not very good role models also.

Speaking of bad role models SL of Legacy, his ow. Daughter who coached a legacy team had a habit of showing up hung over and one tourney was in the bushes puking in front of the team. I guess this is a sense of entitlement the kids of mothers directors feel. No one holds them accountable for their behavior until it’s too late.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Andrew Smith.. really you are classless. You were Disgusting in the way you talk in front of our girls. absolute defeated status has just been confirmed on The News. You are an embarrassment to the hard-working men and women in law enforcement.

It is sad that this young man made a poor decision and it will more than likely cost him a great career and perhaps more on a personal level. It is sadder that people like you come on this forum just to bash someone because you feel your daughter has been treated poorly. I assume you left TG at this point. There are so many choices now on LI for girls lacrosse and hopefully, you found the right fit. Step up and show some maturity for an adult, this sad situation carries a little more weight than getting yelled at in a youth lacrosse travel organization. If your daughter gets the chance to play at the college level, she had better get ready. I can assure you the experience entails a lot more yelling and expectations. My daughter played for TG and there were some stressful times. I feel it better prepared her for the college lacrosse experience. Good luck to all[/quote]

Perhaps you misunderstood my comment or your reading comprehension is poor. I'm in no way diminish the act of drunk driving. Whether I said "Bad" or "Horrible" I believe you got the point. My comment centered around what seemed to be a personal vendetta against this person because of a perceived verbal abuse when their daughter played for TG. Again, in no way did I "minimize" drunk driving. Like you, I believe it is a terribly selfish act, and they will pay the price on a personal level. Thank God no one else was involved. Hopefully, they will get the help they need if there really is an issue with this behavior in the past.

Has nothing to do with how he treated any individual kid, it was his poor behavior as an adult around youth and children. His language, his perverted comments in front of young players, his sexual overtures to other female (college age and recent hS grad) and inappropriate comments again within the ear shot of children. Also his drunken (or alcohol smelling hung over) behavior at tournament sites. Sorry Ms.Smith you should of straightened you son out when he was kicked out of Tampa, but you didn’t.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has nothing to do with how he treated any individual kid, it was his poor behavior as an adult around youth and children. His language, his perverted comments in front of young players, his sexual overtures to other female (college age and recent hS grad) and inappropriate comments again within the ear shot of children. Also his drunken (or alcohol smelling hung over) behavior at tournament sites. Sorry Ms.Smith you should of straightened you son out when he was kicked out of Tampa, but you didn’t.

Hopefully none of your family members will ever make poor decisions, struggle with addiction, or find themselves in serious trouble. However, it is said that Karma is a [ChillLaxin]... The man in question and his family are most certainly dealing with the consequences of his actions and behavior and I feel for them. Your cowardly attack on an anonymous forum will not go unpunished. I hope that it is not one of your loved ones who ultimately has to pay the price for your lack of empathy and callousness.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has nothing to do with how he treated any individual kid, it was his poor behavior as an adult around youth and children. His language, his perverted comments in front of young players, his sexual overtures to other female (college age and recent hS grad) and inappropriate comments again within the ear shot of children. Also his drunken (or alcohol smelling hung over) behavior at tournament sites. Sorry Ms.Smith you should of straightened you son out when he was kicked out of Tampa, but you didn’t.

Hopefully none of your family members will ever make poor decisions, struggle with addiction, or find themselves in serious trouble. However, it is said that Karma is a [ChillLaxin]... The man in question and his family are most certainly dealing with the consequences of his actions and behavior and I feel for them. Your cowardly attack on an anonymous forum will not go unpunished. I hope that it is not one of your loved ones who ultimately has to pay the price for your lack of empathy and callousness.

Kharma is a B*****, and yes that is what is going on with him, all the underhanded deeds coming back to them. There is so much you don't know. Shannon and Bill have lied and stolen, cheated people out of what was their property and intellectual property. Andrew, has been running loose and fast for years unchecked. The Smiths had taken advantage of the West Babylon Schools and their relationships with board members to line their pockets using the public's facilities where as other exact same organizations had been denied. Dirty Deeds... Kharma. Just because you sip the kool aide and look through your rose colored glasses doesn't make them good people.

If half of what people are saying is true then he has no business being around middle school and teenage girls. Not fir nothin but are you really going to trust that theses guys are going to do the right thing by your kid with college when talking to the coach when they are only out for themselves. Look at guys line Steve levy or carol rose, I would say coaches will listen to them over the shady smiths.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has nothing to do with how he treated any individual kid, it was his poor behavior as an adult around youth and children. His language, his perverted comments in front of young players, his sexual overtures to other female (college age and recent hS grad) and inappropriate comments again within the ear shot of children. Also his drunken (or alcohol smelling hung over) behavior at tournament sites. Sorry Ms.Smith you should of straightened you son out when he was kicked out of Tampa, but you didn’t.

Hopefully none of your family members will ever make poor decisions, struggle with addiction, or find themselves in serious trouble. However, it is said that Karma is a [ChillLaxin]... The man in question and his family are most certainly dealing with the consequences of his actions and behavior and I feel for them. Your cowardly attack on an anonymous forum will not go unpunished. I hope that it is not one of your loved ones who ultimately has to pay the price for your lack of empathy and callousness.

So if he has such an “addiction “. Why the heck is he coaching youth girls lacrosse ???

If this is true about the top guns then why did you leave your daughter under his supervision. Not for nothin but you have to get your priorities in order.

Never thought a lot about karma but you got a point. He developed an overinflated ego and thought he was above it all. He always pimps out spots on the underarm our roster for those who pay to train with him. Kids and families got screwed. Life and karma a beetch. He your daughter far away from this sheeet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has nothing to do with how he treated any individual kid, it was his poor behavior as an adult around youth and children. His language, his perverted comments in front of young players, his sexual overtures to other female (college age and recent hS grad) and inappropriate comments again within the ear shot of children. Also his drunken (or alcohol smelling hung over) behavior at tournament sites. Sorry Ms.Smith you should of straightened you son out when he was kicked out of Tampa, but you didn’t.

Hopefully none of your family members will ever make poor decisions, struggle with addiction, or find themselves in serious trouble. However, it is said that Karma is a [ChillLaxin]... The man in question and his family are most certainly dealing with the consequences of his actions and behavior and I feel for them. Your cowardly attack on an anonymous forum will not go unpunished. I hope that it is not one of your loved ones who ultimately has to pay the price for your lack of empathy and callousness.

So if he has such an “addiction “. Why the heck is he coaching youth girls lacrosse ???

I know and like the guy, do not like what he did. As of right now he is listed as an Under Armour coach for underclass All American team Long Island. I wonder if this incident gets him dropped by Under Armour? He certainly made a big mistake and will be paying for it professionally, both law enforcement and lacrosse wise. Hopefully he learns from it, becomes better moving forward. Everyone deserves a second chance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Never thought a lot about karma but you got a point. He developed an overinflated ego and thought he was above it all. He always pimps out spots on the underarm our roster for those who pay to train with him. Kids and families got screwed. Life and karma a beetch. He your daughter far away from this sheeet.

Not a bad kid but never was able to handle that his sister was the best player on the planet while he was a middle of the pack D2 player. Seems like he's abused authority along the way to overcompensate.

What happened in Tampa?

question.
what do you think about training with different coaches who are in different clubs? I know there are plenty of kids that do it. Different training I would think only helps.
thoughts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

question.
what do you think about training with different coaches who are in different clubs? I know there are plenty of kids that do it. Different training I would think only helps.
thoughts

you would think but its frowned upon

there was a case on the 2025 thread were four girls from the janelli team got caught training with shannon smith and it became a whole big thing. i heard they ended up denying it even thorough a bunch of people saw them their.

they almost got thrown off the team so I’d be careful

Originally Posted by Anonymous

question.
what do you think about training with different coaches who are in different clubs? I know there are plenty of kids that do it. Different training I would think only helps.
thoughts

you would think but its frowned upon

there was a case on the 2025 thread were four girls from the janelli team got caught training with shannon smith and it became a whole big thing. i heard they ended up denying it even thorough a bunch of people saw them their.

they almost got thrown off the team so I’d be careful

But why would it matter who the kid trains with, if they are coming back to their travel team well trained? Are travel coaches that insecure? Can entire programs be sabotaged by outside training ? Sounds like a problem with coaches ego.
Parents should be allowed to utilize any trainer for their kid they think will help their child become a better player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]question.
what do you think about training with different coaches who are in different clubs? I know there are plenty of kids that do it. Different training I would think only helps.
thoughts

you would think but its frowned upon

there was a case on the 2025 thread were four girls from the janelli team got caught training with shannon smith and it became a whole big thing. i heard they ended up denying it even thorough a bunch of people saw them their.

they almost got thrown off the team so I’d be careful

But why would it matter who the kid trains with, if they are coming back to their travel team well trained? Are travel coaches that insecure? Can entire programs be sabotaged by outside training ? Sounds like a problem with coaches ego.
Parents should be allowed to utilize any trainer for their kid they think will help their child become a better player.

Clubs are concerned with their players getting poached by trainers from competing clubs. It happens all the time.

I feel that 2024 group and younger are starting to fall apart. Is anyone thinking of moving teams before their 2024 daughters hit sophomore year? In my opinion true focus and effort has been severely laking as of late from the program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]question.
what do you think about training with different coaches who are in different clubs? I know there are plenty of kids that do it. Different training I would think only helps.
thoughts

you would think but its frowned upon

there was a case on the 2025 thread were four girls from the janelli team got caught training with shannon smith and it became a whole big thing. i heard they ended up denying it even thorough a bunch of people saw them their.

they almost got thrown off the team so I’d be careful

But why would it matter who the kid trains with, if they are coming back to their travel team well trained? Are travel coaches that insecure? Can entire programs be sabotaged by outside training ? Sounds like a problem with coaches ego.
Parents should be allowed to utilize any trainer for their kid they think will help their child become a better player.

Clubs are concerned with their players getting poached by trainers from competing clubs. It happens all the time.

Definitely seems like an ego trip. If you're that worried, maybe internally there needs to be some better training of the coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has nothing to do with how he treated any individual kid, it was his poor behavior as an adult around youth and children. His language, his perverted comments in front of young players, his sexual overtures to other female (college age and recent hS grad) and inappropriate comments again within the ear shot of children. Also his drunken (or alcohol smelling hung over) behavior at tournament sites. Sorry Ms.Smith you should of straightened you son out when he was kicked out of Tampa, but you didn’t.

Hopefully none of your family members will ever make poor decisions, struggle with addiction, or find themselves in serious trouble. However, it is said that Karma is a [ChillLaxin]... The man in question and his family are most certainly dealing with the consequences of his actions and behavior and I feel for them. Your cowardly attack on an anonymous forum will not go unpunished. I hope that it is not one of your loved ones who ultimately has to pay the price for your lack of empathy and callousness.

Kharma is a B*****, and yes that is what is going on with him, all the underhanded deeds coming back to them. There is so much you don't know. Shannon and Bill have lied and stolen, cheated people out of what was their property and intellectual property. Andrew, has been running loose and fast for years unchecked. The Smiths had taken advantage of the West Babylon Schools and their relationships with board members to line their pockets using the public's facilities where as other exact same organizations had been denied. Dirty Deeds... Kharma. Just because you sip the kool aide and look through your rose colored glasses doesn't make them good people.

This is one of many reasons I am moving clubs before high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

question.
what do you think about training with different coaches who are in different clubs? I know there are plenty of kids that do it. Different training I would think only helps.
thoughts

you would think but its frowned upon

there was a case on the 2025 thread were four girls from the janelli team got caught training with shannon smith and it became a whole big thing. i heard they ended up denying it even thorough a bunch of people saw them their.

they almost got thrown off the team so I’d be careful

NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!!

go screw with you’re own team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Andrew Smith.. really you are classless. You were Disgusting in the way you talk in front of our girls. absolute defeated status has just been confirmed on The News. You are an embarrassment to the hard-working men and women in law enforcement.

It is said that this young man made a poor decision and it will more than likely cost him a great career and perhaps more on a personal level. It is sadder that people like you come on this forum just to bash someone because you feel your daughter has been treated poorly. I assume you left TG at this point. There are so many choices now on LI for girls lacrosse and hopefully, you found the right fit. Step up and show some maturity for an adult, this sad situation carries a little more weight than getting yelled at in a youth lacrosse travel organization. If your daughter gets the chance to play at the college level, she had better get ready. I can assure you the experience entails a lot more yelling and expectations. My daughter played for TG and there were some stressful times. I feel it better prepared her for the college lacrosse experience. Good luck to all [/quote]

The Smiths have no business running an organization for youth. It seems that it has just become a quick shot for money. Very little support for recruiting and terrible tole models for our kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but it seems this was easily predicted years ago on this very site and the TG faithful backed him up . It’s amazing these organizations get away with this nonsense. Years ago they were posting about what a disgrace the “[ChillLaxin] “ coaches from YJ were and in the end they were right as neither of those two midgets ( 2019 coaches) should have been around let alone been coaching young women. You have three horrible role models who were called out years ago on this vey site and sadly parents still let their daughters be around these losers hoping to get their kid a lacrosse scholarship . If your child was on one of these teams you all should be embarrassed . I almost get SS in that it’s her brother but he is not the only horrendous male role model in that group and CR was allowed to have her kid attend a school that they did not live in the district of so she would allow 1 of the midgets to continue coaching even if she knows he is a disgusting person . Amazing with the amount of enmities she has no one turned her in or her [ChillLaxin] accomplish to the school district .

There are some female coaches and directors of small programs that are not very good role models also.

So who do we think coaches that is still a positive role model? Who should our girls gravitate to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but it seems this was easily predicted years ago on this very site and the TG faithful backed him up . It’s amazing these organizations get away with this nonsense. Years ago they were posting about what a disgrace the “[ChillLaxin] “ coaches from YJ were and in the end they were right as neither of those two midgets ( 2019 coaches) should have been around let alone been coaching young women. You have three horrible role models who were called out years ago on this vey site and sadly parents still let their daughters be around these losers hoping to get their kid a lacrosse scholarship . If your child was on one of these teams you all should be embarrassed . I almost get SS in that it’s her brother but he is not the only horrendous male role model in that group and CR was allowed to have her kid attend a school that they did not live in the district of so she would allow 1 of the midgets to continue coaching even if she knows he is a disgusting person . Amazing with the amount of enmities she has no one turned her in or her [ChillLaxin] accomplish to the school district .

There are some female coaches and directors of small programs that are not very good role models also.

So who do we think coaches that is still a positive role model? Who should our girls gravitate to?

I'm curious who you all plan on sending your kids to with all of the issues with Andrew and the teams starting to fall flat. Private lessons and team recommendations more than welcome. I have two daughters a 24 and a 26, would love feedback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but it seems this was easily predicted years ago on this very site and the TG faithful backed him up . It’s amazing these organizations get away with this nonsense. Years ago they were posting about what a disgrace the “[ChillLaxin] “ coaches from YJ were and in the end they were right as neither of those two midgets ( 2019 coaches) should have been around let alone been coaching young women. You have three horrible role models who were called out years ago on this vey site and sadly parents still let their daughters be around these losers hoping to get their kid a lacrosse scholarship . If your child was on one of these teams you all should be embarrassed . I almost get SS in that it’s her brother but he is not the only horrendous male role model in that group and CR was allowed to have her kid attend a school that they did not live in the district of so she would allow 1 of the midgets to continue coaching even if she knows he is a disgusting person . Amazing with the amount of enmities she has no one turned her in or her [ChillLaxin] accomplish to the school district .

There are some female coaches and directors of small programs that are not very good role models also.

So who do we think coaches that is still a positive role model? Who should our girls gravitate to?

all orgs have a few crappy role models coaching comes with the territory

even the yellowjackits employ a former exotic dancer on one of there teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but it seems this was easily predicted years ago on this very site and the TG faithful backed him up . It’s amazing these organizations get away with this nonsense. Years ago they were posting about what a disgrace the “[ChillLaxin] “ coaches from YJ were and in the end they were right as neither of those two midgets ( 2019 coaches) should have been around let alone been coaching young women. You have three horrible role models who were called out years ago on this vey site and sadly parents still let their daughters be around these losers hoping to get their kid a lacrosse scholarship . If your child was on one of these teams you all should be embarrassed . I almost get SS in that it’s her brother but he is not the only horrendous male role model in that group and CR was allowed to have her kid attend a school that they did not live in the district of so she would allow 1 of the midgets to continue coaching even if she knows he is a disgusting person . Amazing with the amount of enmities she has no one turned her in or her [ChillLaxin] accomplish to the school district .

There are some female coaches and directors of small programs that are not very good role models also.

So who do we think coaches that is still a positive role model? Who should our girls gravitate to?

I'm curious who you all plan on sending your kids to with all of the issues with Andrew and the teams starting to fall flat. Private lessons and team recommendations more than welcome. I have two daughters a 24 and a 26, would love feedback.

Sounds like you’re daughters both stink and should give up lacrosse. You’re wasting your money. It’s clear that you have an issue with Andrew and TG most likely because your daughters ride pine. You could always go over to YJ, heard they have some spots on the C team, and will give private lessons for $100 an hour. Maybe if your daughters work real hard and you spend enough money they could becomes bottom tier B teamed. Good luck!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but it seems this was easily predicted years ago on this very site and the TG faithful backed him up . It’s amazing these organizations get away with this nonsense. Years ago they were posting about what a disgrace the “[ChillLaxin] “ coaches from YJ were and in the end they were right as neither of those two midgets ( 2019 coaches) should have been around let alone been coaching young women. You have three horrible role models who were called out years ago on this vey site and sadly parents still let their daughters be around these losers hoping to get their kid a lacrosse scholarship . If your child was on one of these teams you all should be embarrassed . I almost get SS in that it’s her brother but he is not the only horrendous male role model in that group and CR was allowed to have her kid attend a school that they did not live in the district of so she would allow 1 of the midgets to continue coaching even if she knows he is a disgusting person . Amazing with the amount of enmities she has no one turned her in or her [ChillLaxin] accomplish to the school district .

There are some female coaches and directors of small programs that are not very good role models also.

So who do we think coaches that is still a positive role model? Who should our girls gravitate to?

I'm curious who you all plan on sending your kids to with all of the issues with Andrew and the teams starting to fall flat. Private lessons and team recommendations more than welcome. I have two daughters a 24 and a 26, would love feedback.

Sounds like you’re daughters both stink and should give up lacrosse. You’re wasting your money. It’s clear that you have an issue with Andrew and TG most likely because your daughters ride pine. You could always go over to YJ, heard they have some spots on the C team, and will give private lessons for $100 an hour. Maybe if your daughters work real hard and you spend enough money they could becomes bottom tier B teamed. Good luck!

My daughters are just fine, but clearly if this is how parents from this organization behave it's a clear reflection of the type of community being fostered. I don't have personal issues with those running these organizations, but there is a clear trail of incidents that depict poor role models for our kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

question.
what do you think about training with different coaches who are in different clubs? I know there are plenty of kids that do it. Different training I would think only helps.
thoughts

you would think but its frowned upon

there was a case on the 2025 thread were four girls from the janelli team got caught training with shannon smith and it became a whole big thing. i heard they ended up denying it even thorough a bunch of people saw them their.

they almost got thrown off the team so I’d be careful

NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!!

go screw with you’re own team

your*

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but it seems this was easily predicted years ago on this very site and the TG faithful backed him up . It’s amazing these organizations get away with this nonsense. Years ago they were posting about what a disgrace the “[ChillLaxin] “ coaches from YJ were and in the end they were right as neither of those two midgets ( 2019 coaches) should have been around let alone been coaching young women. You have three horrible role models who were called out years ago on this vey site and sadly parents still let their daughters be around these losers hoping to get their kid a lacrosse scholarship . If your child was on one of these teams you all should be embarrassed . I almost get SS in that it’s her brother but he is not the only horrendous male role model in that group and CR was allowed to have her kid attend a school that they did not live in the district of so she would allow 1 of the midgets to continue coaching even if she knows he is a disgusting person . Amazing with the amount of enmities she has no one turned her in or her [ChillLaxin] accomplish to the school district .

There are some female coaches and directors of small programs that are not very good role models also.

So who do we think coaches that is still a positive role model? Who should our girls gravitate to?

I'm curious who you all plan on sending your kids to with all of the issues with Andrew and the teams starting to fall flat. Private lessons and team recommendations more than welcome. I have two daughters a 24 and a 26, would love feedback.

Sounds like you’re daughters both stink and should give up lacrosse. You’re wasting your money. It’s clear that you have an issue with Andrew and TG most likely because your daughters ride pine. You could always go over to YJ, heard they have some spots on the C team, and will give private lessons for $100 an hour. Maybe if your daughters work real hard and you spend enough money they could becomes bottom tier B teamed. Good luck!

Bets that C team would still beat black and purple

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]question.
what do you think about training with different coaches who are in different clubs? I know there are plenty of kids that do it. Different training I would think only helps.
thoughts

you would think but its frowned upon

there was a case on the 2025 thread were four girls from the janelli team got caught training with shannon smith and it became a whole big thing. i heard they ended up denying it even thorough a bunch of people saw them their.

they almost got thrown off the team so I’d be careful

But why would it matter who the kid trains with, if they are coming back to their travel team well trained? Are travel coaches that insecure? Can entire programs be sabotaged by outside training ? Sounds like a problem with coaches ego.
Parents should be allowed to utilize any trainer for their kid they think will help their child become a better player.

Clubs are concerned with their players getting poached by trainers from competing clubs. It happens all the time.

Definitely seems like an ego trip. If you're that worried, maybe internally there needs to be some better training of the coaches.

It’s for sure an ego trip. I can’t imagine a parent allowing the club they are paying to tell them who can train their kid. I guess those parents will just have to take what they can get from TG. No other club can poach a happy and well trained player. So seems counter productive to put restrictions on families, make them unhappy, and then make them consider other clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but it seems this was easily predicted years ago on this very site and the TG faithful backed him up . It’s amazing these organizations get away with this nonsense. Years ago they were posting about what a disgrace the “[ChillLaxin] “ coaches from YJ were and in the end they were right as neither of those two midgets ( 2019 coaches) should have been around let alone been coaching young women. You have three horrible role models who were called out years ago on this vey site and sadly parents still let their daughters be around these losers hoping to get their kid a lacrosse scholarship . If your child was on one of these teams you all should be embarrassed . I almost get SS in that it’s her brother but he is not the only horrendous male role model in that group and CR was allowed to have her kid attend a school that they did not live in the district of so she would allow 1 of the midgets to continue coaching even if she knows he is a disgusting person . Amazing with the amount of enmities she has no one turned her in or her [ChillLaxin] accomplish to the school district .

There are some female coaches and directors of small programs that are not very good role models also.

So who do we think coaches that is still a positive role model? Who should our girls gravitate to?

I'm curious who you all plan on sending your kids to with all of the issues with Andrew and the teams starting to fall flat. Private lessons and team recommendations more than welcome. I have two daughters a 24 and a 26, would love feedback.

Sounds like you’re daughters both stink and should give up lacrosse. You’re wasting your money. It’s clear that you have an issue with Andrew and TG most likely because your daughters ride pine. You could always go over to YJ, heard they have some spots on the C team, and will give private lessons for $100 an hour. Maybe if your daughters work real hard and you spend enough money they could becomes bottom tier B teamed. Good luck!

Bets that C team would still beat black and purple

Funny some of the YJ "A" teams are yet to beat TG Black. lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]question.
what do you think about training with different coaches who are in different clubs? I know there are plenty of kids that do it. Different training I would think only helps.
thoughts

you would think but its frowned upon

there was a case on the 2025 thread were four girls from the janelli team got caught training with shannon smith and it became a whole big thing. i heard they ended up denying it even thorough a bunch of people saw them their.

they almost got thrown off the team so I’d be careful

But why would it matter who the kid trains with, if they are coming back to their travel team well trained? Are travel coaches that insecure? Can entire programs be sabotaged by outside training ? Sounds like a problem with coaches ego.
Parents should be allowed to utilize any trainer for their kid they think will help their child become a better player.

Clubs are concerned with their players getting poached by trainers from competing clubs. It happens all the time.

Definitely seems like an ego trip. If you're that worried, maybe internally there needs to be some better training of the coaches.

It’s for sure an ego trip. I can’t imagine a parent allowing the club they are paying to tell them who can train their kid. I guess those parents will just have to take what they can get from TG. No other club can poach a happy and well trained player. So seems counter productive to put restrictions on families, make them unhappy, and then make them consider other clubs.

Totally agree...let your kids train wherever they want. If top guns is doing their job our players are staying put.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but it seems this was easily predicted years ago on this very site and the TG faithful backed him up . It’s amazing these organizations get away with this nonsense. Years ago they were posting about what a disgrace the “[ChillLaxin] “ coaches from YJ were and in the end they were right as neither of those two midgets ( 2019 coaches) should have been around let alone been coaching young women. You have three horrible role models who were called out years ago on this vey site and sadly parents still let their daughters be around these losers hoping to get their kid a lacrosse scholarship . If your child was on one of these teams you all should be embarrassed . I almost get SS in that it’s her brother but he is not the only horrendous male role model in that group and CR was allowed to have her kid attend a school that they did not live in the district of so she would allow 1 of the midgets to continue coaching even if she knows he is a disgusting person . Amazing with the amount of enmities she has no one turned her in or her [ChillLaxin] accomplish to the school district .

There are some female coaches and directors of small programs that are not very good role models also.

So who do we think coaches that is still a positive role model? Who should our girls gravitate to?

all orgs have a few crappy role models coaching comes with the territory

even the yellowjackits employ a former exotic dancer on one of there teams

I really hope your kid gets into a good school with spelling like that. I've heard nothing about exotic dancers coaching for any team. This isn't just a coach...it's someone RUNNING our program.

[/quote]
all orgs have a few crappy role models coaching comes with the territory

even the yellowjackits employ a former exotic dancer on one of there teams[/quote]

Which team. Looking for a friend ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but it seems this was easily predicted years ago on this very site and the TG faithful backed him up . It’s amazing these organizations get away with this nonsense. Years ago they were posting about what a disgrace the “[ChillLaxin] “ coaches from YJ were and in the end they were right as neither of those two midgets ( 2019 coaches) should have been around let alone been coaching young women. You have three horrible role models who were called out years ago on this vey site and sadly parents still let their daughters be around these losers hoping to get their kid a lacrosse scholarship . If your child was on one of these teams you all should be embarrassed . I almost get SS in that it’s her brother but he is not the only horrendous male role model in that group and CR was allowed to have her kid attend a school that they did not live in the district of so she would allow 1 of the midgets to continue coaching even if she knows he is a disgusting person . Amazing with the amount of enmities she has no one turned her in or her [ChillLaxin] accomplish to the school district .

There are some female coaches and directors of small programs that are not very good role models also.

So who do we think coaches that is still a positive role model? Who should our girls gravitate to?

all orgs have a few crappy role models coaching comes with the territory

even the yellowjackits employ a former exotic dancer on one of there teams

I think it's time to shut the site down, we've found a winner!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[/quote]
all orgs have a few crappy role models coaching comes with the territory

even the yellowjackits employ a former exotic dancer on one of there teams

Which team. Looking for a friend ??[/quote]

Don't be shy, drop a name lol

How about the YJ college girl coaches that show up so hungover that they are puking in the portapoties between games?????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Andrew Smith.. really you are classless. You were Disgusting in the way you talk in front of our girls. absolute defeated status has just been confirmed on The News. You are an embarrassment to the hard-working men and women in law enforcement.

It is said that this young man made a poor decision and it will more than likely cost him a great career and perhaps more on a personal level. It is sadder that people like you come on this forum just to bash someone because you feel your daughter has been treated poorly. I assume you left TG at this point. There are so many choices now on LI for girls lacrosse and hopefully, you found the right fit. Step up and show some maturity for an adult, this sad situation carries a little more weight than getting yelled at in a youth lacrosse travel organization. If your daughter gets the chance to play at the college level, she had better get ready. I can assure you the experience entails a lot more yelling and expectations. My daughter played for TG and there were some stressful times. I feel it better prepared her for the college lacrosse experience. Good luck to all[/quote]

The Smiths have no business running an organization for youth. It seems that it has just become a quick shot for money. Very little support for recruiting and terrible tole models for our kids.[/quote]

My daughter, Bill Smith was very involved with the process. My daughter and I couldn't be happier with the support and effort in the recruiting process. Remember it is your obligation to focus on a reachable school for your daughter in athletics and academics. Once we contacted Bill and told him this is the place he was iatrical in helping us get it done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Andrew Smith.. really you are classless. You were Disgusting in the way you talk in front of our girls. absolute defeated status has just been confirmed on The News. You are an embarrassment to the hard-working men and women in law enforcement.

It is said that this young man made a poor decision and it will more than likely cost him a great career and perhaps more on a personal level. It is sadder that people like you come on this forum just to bash someone because you feel your daughter has been treated poorly. I assume you left TG at this point. There are so many choices now on LI for girls lacrosse and hopefully, you found the right fit. Step up and show some maturity for an adult, this sad situation carries a little more weight than getting yelled at in a youth lacrosse travel organization. If your daughter gets the chance to play at the college level, she had better get ready. I can assure you the experience entails a lot more yelling and expectations. My daughter played for TG and there were some stressful times. I feel it better prepared her for the college lacrosse experience. Good luck to all[/quote]

The Smiths have no business running an organization for youth. It seems that it has just become a quick shot for money. Very little support for recruiting and terrible tole models for our kids.[/quote]

My daughter Bill Smith was very involved with the process. My daughter and I couldn't be happier with the support and effort in the recruiting process. Remember it is your obligation to focus on a reachable school for your daughter in athletics and academics. Once we contacted Bill and told him this is the place he was iatrical in helping us get it done.[/quote]

Same here. My daughter '23 gave a list of her top choices and has already received questions after the Smiths reached out to the schools to let them know about my daughter. Now it's up to her to play well this spring/summer. I also have friends with daughters on older teams and in college who are going to their top choices.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Andrew Smith.. really you are classless. You were Disgusting in the way you talk in front of our girls. absolute defeated status has just been confirmed on The News. You are an embarrassment to the hard-working men and women in law enforcement.

It is said that this young man made a poor decision and it will more than likely cost him a great career and perhaps more on a personal level. It is sadder that people like you come on this forum just to bash someone because you feel your daughter has been treated poorly. I assume you left TG at this point. There are so many choices now on LI for girls lacrosse and hopefully you found the right fit. Step up and show some maturity for an adult, this sad situation carries a little more weight than getting yelled at in a youth lacrosse travel organization. If your daughter gets the chance to play at the college level, she had better get ready. I can assure you the experience entails a lot more yelling and expectations. My daughter played for TG and there were some stressful times. I feel it better prepared her for the college lacrosse experience. Good luck to all[/quote]

The Smiths have no business running an organization for youth. It seems that it has just become a quick shot for money. Very little support for recruiting and terrible tole models for our kids.[/quote]

My daughter Bill Smith was very involved with the process. My daughter and I couldn't be happier with the support and effort in the recruiting process. Remember it is your obligation to focus on a reachable school for your daughter in athletics and academics. Once we contacted Bill and told him this is the place he was iatrical in helping us get it done.[/quote]

Same here. My daughter '23 gave a list of her top choices and has already received questions after the Smiths reached out to the schools to let them know about my daughter. Now it's up to her to play well this spring/summer. I also have friends with daughters on older teams and in college who are going to their top choices.[/quote]

I think with any org it’s hit or miss and I think the most important thing is to find a coach who is going to put themselves out there. If we’re comparing to other programs, some offer a lot more support along the way. It’s a matter of preference

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Andrew Smith.. really you are classless. You were Disgusting in the way you talk in front of our girls. absolute defeated status has just been confirmed on The News. You are an embarrassment to the hard-working men and women in law enforcement.

It is sad that this young man made a poor decision and it will more than likely cost him a great career and perhaps more on a personal level. It is sadder that people like you come on this forum just to bash someone because you feel your daughter has been treated poorly. I assume you left TG at this point. There are so many choices now on LI for girls lacrosse and hopefully, you found the right fit. Step up and show some maturity for an adult, this sad situation carries a little more weight than getting yelled at in a youth lacrosse travel organization. If your daughter gets the chance to play at the college level, she had better get ready. I can assure you the experience entails a lot more yelling and expectations. My daughter played for TG and there were some stressful times. I feel it better prepared her for the college lacrosse experience. Good luck to all[/quote]

The Smiths have no business running an organization for youth. It seems that it has just become a quick shot for money. Very little support for recruiting and terrible tole models for our kids.[/quote]

My daughter Bill Smith was very involved with the process. My daughter and I couldn't be happier with the support and effort in the recruiting process. Remember it is your obligation to focus on a reachable school for your daughter in athletics and academics. Once we contacted Bill and told him this is the place he was iatrical in helping us get it done.[/quote]

i guess Shannon didn't want her. problems occur

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Andrew Smith.. really you are classless. You were Disgusting in the way you talk in front of our girls. absolute defeated status has just been confirmed on The News. You are an embarrassment to the hard-working men and women in law enforcement.

It is said that this young man made a poor decision and it will more than likely cost him a great career and perhaps more on a personal level. It is sadder that people like you come on this forum just to bash someone because you feel your daughter has been treated poorly. I assume you left TG at this point. There are so many choices now on LI for girls lacrosse and hopefully, you found the right fit. Step up and show some maturity for an adult, this sad situation carries a little more weight than getting yelled at in a youth lacrosse travel organization. If your daughter gets the chance to play at the college level, she had better get ready. I can assure you the experience entails a lot more yelling and expectations. My daughter played for TG and there were some stressful times. I feel it better prepared her for the college lacrosse experience. Good luck to all[/quote]

The Smiths have no business running an organization for youth. It seems that it has just become a quick shot for money. Very little support for recruiting and terrible tole models for our kids.[/quote]

My daughter Bill Smith was very involved with the process. My daughter and I couldn't be happier with the support and effort in the recruiting process. Remember it is your obligation to focus on a reachable school for your daughter in athletics and academics. Once we contacted Bill and told him this is the place he was iatrical in helping us get it done.[/quote]

i guess Shannon didn't want her. problems occur [/quote]

Shannon wanted her, just wasn't a good fit for my daughter.

For those who don't feel Shannon and the Smiths are supportive of athletes educational and athletic future ... Please Google Sam Apuzzo's televized speech when she received the Tewaaraton Award! Check out the only coaches/program that she took the time publicly recognize! And if you say well that's because Sam was a stud and the others don't get the attention & treatment. Everyones daughters simply need to train harder! That does not daughter from that statement!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For those who don't feel Shannon and the Smiths are supportive of athletes educational and athletic future ... Please Google Sam Apuzzo's televized speech when she received the Tewaaraton Award! Check out the only coaches/program that she took the time publicly recognize! And if you say well that's because Sam was a stud and the others don't get the attention & treatment. Everyones daughters simply need to train harder! That does not daughter from that statement!

Things have certainly changed since those days...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]For those who don't feel Shannon and the Smiths are supportive of athletes educational and athletic future ... Please Google Sam Apuzzo's televized speech when she received the Tewaaraton Award! Check out the only coaches/program that she took the time publicly recognize! And if you say well that's because Sam was a stud and the others don't get the attention & treatment. Everyones daughters simply need to train harder! That does not daughter from that statement!

Things have certainly changed since those days...[/quote

Not for my daughter’s team. Sam has always helped out and been a great inspiration. A great reminder that any girl who works hard and stays humble can achieve her dreams. So proud of her accomplishments and philosophy. Sad that you need to put a negative spin into a Tewaaraton achievement!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]For those who don't feel Shannon and the Smiths are supportive of athletes educational and athletic future ... Please Google Sam Apuzzo's televized speech when she received the Tewaaraton Award! Check out the only coaches/program that she took the time publicly recognize! And if you say well that's because Sam was a stud and the others don't get the attention & treatment. Everyones daughters simply need to train harder! That does not daughter from that statement!

Things have certainly changed since those days...[/quote

Not for my daughter’s team. Sam has always helped out and been a great inspiration. A great reminder that any girl who works hard and stays humble can achieve her dreams. So proud of her accomplishments and philosophy. Sad that you need to put a negative spin into a Tewaaraton achievement!

Hmmm wonder why Appuzzo doesn’t coach with TC anymore

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For those who don't feel Shannon and the Smiths are supportive of athletes educational and athletic future ... Please Google Sam Apuzzo's televized speech when she received the Tewaaraton Award! Check out the only coaches/program that she took the time publicly recognize! And if you say well that's because Sam was a stud and the others don't get the attention & treatment. Everyones daughters simply need to train harder! That does not daughter from that statement!

Things have certainly changed since those days...[/quote

Not for my daughter’s team. Sam has always helped out and been a great inspiration. A great reminder that any girl who works hard and stays humble can achieve her dreams. So proud of her accomplishments and philosophy. Sad that you need to put a negative spin into a Tewaaraton achievement!

Hmmm wonder why Appuzzo doesn’t coach with TC anymore

She's coaching for BC now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For those who don't feel Shannon and the Smiths are supportive of athletes educational and athletic future ... Please Google Sam Apuzzo's televized speech when she received the Tewaaraton Award! Check out the only coaches/program that she took the time publicly recognize! And if you say well that's because Sam was a stud and the others don't get the attention & treatment. Everyones daughters simply need to train harder! That does not daughter from that statement!

Things have certainly changed since those days...[/quote

Not for my daughter’s team. Sam has always helped out and been a great inspiration. A great reminder that any girl who works hard and stays humble can achieve her dreams. So proud of her accomplishments and philosophy. Sad that you need to put a negative spin into a Tewaaraton achievement!

Hmmm wonder why Appuzzo doesn’t coach with TC anymore

She's coaching for BC now.

did not coach TG last summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For those who don't feel Shannon and the Smiths are supportive of athletes educational and athletic future ... Please Google Sam Apuzzo's televized speech when she received the Tewaaraton Award! Check out the only coaches/program that she took the time publicly recognize! And if you say well that's because Sam was a stud and the others don't get the attention & treatment. Everyones daughters simply need to train harder! That does not daughter from that statement!

Things have certainly changed since those days...[/quote

Not for my daughter’s team. Sam has always helped out and been a great inspiration. A great reminder that any girl who works hard and stays humble can achieve her dreams. So proud of her accomplishments and philosophy. Sad that you need to put a negative spin into a Tewaaraton achievement!

Hmmm wonder why Appuzzo doesn’t coach with TC anymore

She's coaching for BC now.

did not coach TG last summer

We all are entitled to our own opinions. From talking to other parents from various teams I think I'm going to move my kid. I'm glad Bill can help kids, but their are serious issues with some of the staff. Shannon can't keep herself from screaming for more than 30 seconds. Maybe if she spent more time coaching and less time panicked yelling the kids could succeed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For those who don't feel Shannon and the Smiths are supportive of athletes educational and athletic future ... Please Google Sam Apuzzo's televized speech when she received the Tewaaraton Award! Check out the only coaches/program that she took the time publicly recognize! And if you say well that's because Sam was a stud and the others don't get the attention & treatment. Everyones daughters simply need to train harder! That does not daughter from that statement!

Things have certainly changed since those days...[/quote

Not for my daughter’s team. Sam has always helped out and been a great inspiration. A great reminder that any girl who works hard and stays humble can achieve her dreams. So proud of her accomplishments and philosophy. Sad that you need to put a negative spin into a Tewaaraton achievement!

Hmmm wonder why Appuzzo doesn’t coach with TC anymore

She's coaching for BC now.

did not coach TG last summer

Very interesting.

You complete misunderstood my statement. I was absolutely giving Top Guns credit for being recognized by Sam as being an integral part of her success! Knowing Sam, she one best people for our daughters to emulate. she a fantastic role model for ANYONE & EVERYONE, not just our daughters and l realize all of the young ladies work tremendously hard achieve similar success on the field and off!

In a nutshell, it just shows that Top Guns produces educated, humble, successful young ladies ...not only on the , but life as well!

I would like to apologize to anyone who read my post and the part about training .... ( I meant to write) ... it "DOES NOT EXCLUDE MY DAUGHTER"
Again, my apologies!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For those who don't feel Shannon and the Smiths are supportive of athletes educational and athletic future ... Please Google Sam Apuzzo's televized speech when she received the Tewaaraton Award! Check out the only coaches/program that she took the time publicly recognize! And if you say well that's because Sam was a stud and the others don't get the attention & treatment. Everyones daughters simply need to train harder! That does not daughter from that statement!

Things have certainly changed since those days...[/quote

Not for my daughter’s team. Sam has always helped out and been a great inspiration. A great reminder that any girl who works hard and stays humble can achieve her dreams. So proud of her accomplishments and philosophy. Sad that you need to put a negative spin into a Tewaaraton achievement!

Hmmm wonder why Appuzzo doesn’t coach with TC anymore

She's coaching for BC now.

did not coach TG last summer

We all are entitled to our own opinions. From talking to other parents from various teams I think I'm going to move my kid. I'm glad Bill can help kids, but their are serious issues with some of the staff. Shannon can't keep herself from screaming for more than 30 seconds. Maybe if she spent more time coaching and less time panicked yelling the kids could succeed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For those who don't feel Shannon and the Smiths are supportive of athletes educational and athletic future ... Please Google Sam Apuzzo's televized speech when she received the Tewaaraton Award! Check out the only coaches/program that she took the time publicly recognize! And if you say well that's because Sam was a stud and the others don't get the attention & treatment. Everyones daughters simply need to train harder! That does not daughter from that statement!

Things have certainly changed since those days...[/quote

Not for my daughter’s team. Sam has always helped out and been a great inspiration. A great reminder that any girl who works hard and stays humble can achieve her dreams. So proud of her accomplishments and philosophy. Sad that you need to put a negative spin into a Tewaaraton achievement!

Hmmm wonder why Appuzzo doesn’t coach with TC anymore

She's coaching for BC now.

did not coach TG last summer

We all are entitled to our own opinions. From talking to other parents from various teams I think I'm going to move my kid. I'm glad Bill can help kids, but their are serious issues with some of the staff. Shannon can't keep herself from screaming for more than 30 seconds. Maybe if she spent more time coaching and less time panicked yelling the kids could succeed.

You have to have a kid in the program to move her lol...get a life and stop trolling the internet for attention!!! FYI Sam has Been activity involved in coaching at all my daughters winter training since she was home!!!! Now back to BC to coach but nice try on trying to stir up garbage!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For those who don't feel Shannon and the Smiths are supportive of athletes educational and athletic future ... Please Google Sam Apuzzo's televized speech when she received the Tewaaraton Award! Check out the only coaches/program that she took the time publicly recognize! And if you say well that's because Sam was a stud and the others don't get the attention & treatment. Everyones daughters simply need to train harder! That does not daughter from that statement!

Things have certainly changed since those days...[/quote

Not for my daughter’s team. Sam has always helped out and been a great inspiration. A great reminder that any girl who works hard and stays humble can achieve her dreams. So proud of her accomplishments and philosophy. Sad that you need to put a negative spin into a Tewaaraton achievement!

Hmmm wonder why Appuzzo doesn’t coach with TC anymore

She's coaching for BC now.

did not coach TG last summer

We all are entitled to our own opinions. From talking to other parents from various teams I think I'm going to move my kid. I'm glad Bill can help kids, but their are serious issues with some of the staff. Shannon can't keep herself from screaming for more than 30 seconds. Maybe if she spent more time coaching and less time panicked yelling the kids could succeed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For those who don't feel Shannon and the Smiths are supportive of athletes educational and athletic future ... Please Google Sam Apuzzo's televized speech when she received the Tewaaraton Award! Check out the only coaches/program that she took the time publicly recognize! And if you say well that's because Sam was a stud and the others don't get the attention & treatment. Everyones daughters simply need to train harder! That does not daughter from that statement!

Things have certainly changed since those days...[/quote

Not for my daughter’s team. Sam has always helped out and been a great inspiration. A great reminder that any girl who works hard and stays humble can achieve her dreams. So proud of her accomplishments and philosophy. Sad that you need to put a negative spin into a Tewaaraton achievement!

Hmmm wonder why Appuzzo doesn’t coach with TC anymore

She's coaching for BC now.

did not coach TG last summer

We all are entitled to our own opinions. From talking to other parents from various teams I think I'm going to move my kid. I'm glad Bill can help kids, but their are serious issues with some of the staff. Shannon can't keep herself from screaming for more than 30 seconds. Maybe if she spent more time coaching and less time panicked yelling the kids could succeed.

You have to have a kid in the program to move her lol...get a life and stop trolling the internet for attention!!! FYI Sam has Been activity involved in coaching at all my daughters winter training since she was home!!!! Now back to BC to coach but nice try on trying to stir up garbage!!

My daughter is in the program... hence why I know what bs it is

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For those who don't feel Shannon and the Smiths are supportive of athletes educational and athletic future ... Please Google Sam Apuzzo's televized speech when she received the Tewaaraton Award! Check out the only coaches/program that she took the time publicly recognize! And if you say well that's because Sam was a stud and the others don't get the attention & treatment. Everyones daughters simply need to train harder! That does not daughter from that statement!

Things have certainly changed since those days...[/quote

Not for my daughter’s team. Sam has always helped out and been a great inspiration. A great reminder that any girl who works hard and stays humble can achieve her dreams. So proud of her accomplishments and philosophy. Sad that you need to put a negative spin into a Tewaaraton achievement!

Hmmm wonder why Appuzzo doesn’t coach with TC anymore

She's coaching for BC now.

did not coach TG last summer

We all are entitled to our own opinions. From talking to other parents from various teams I think I'm going to move my kid. I'm glad Bill can help kids, but their are serious issues with some of the staff. Shannon can't keep herself from screaming for more than 30 seconds. Maybe if she spent more time coaching and less time panicked yelling the kids could succeed.

Great. You won’t be missed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For those who don't feel Shannon and the Smiths are supportive of athletes educational and athletic future ... Please Google Sam Apuzzo's televized speech when she received the Tewaaraton Award! Check out the only coaches/program that she took the time publicly recognize! And if you say well that's because Sam was a stud and the others don't get the attention & treatment. Everyones daughters simply need to train harder! That does not daughter from that statement!

Things have certainly changed since those days...[/quote

Not for my daughter’s team. Sam has always helped out and been a great inspiration. A great reminder that any girl who works hard and stays humble can achieve her dreams. So proud of her accomplishments and philosophy. Sad that you need to put a negative spin into a Tewaaraton achievement!

Hmmm wonder why Appuzzo doesn’t coach with TC anymore

She's coaching for BC now.

did not coach TG last summer

We all are entitled to our own opinions. From talking to other parents from various teams I think I'm going to move my kid. I'm glad Bill can help kids, but their are serious issues with some of the staff. Shannon can't keep herself from screaming for more than 30 seconds. Maybe if she spent more time coaching and less time panicked yelling the kids could succeed.

Great. You won’t be missed.

The posters kid is probably getting screamed at because she can’t catch the ball. Hope the poor kid finds a team to take her money and tell her how great she is. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For those who don't feel Shannon and the Smiths are supportive of athletes educational and athletic future ... Please Google Sam Apuzzo's televized speech when she received the Tewaaraton Award! Check out the only coaches/program that she took the time publicly recognize! And if you say well that's because Sam was a stud and the others don't get the attention & treatment. Everyones daughters simply need to train harder! That does not daughter from that statement!

Things have certainly changed since those days...[/quote

Not for my daughter’s team. Sam has always helped out and been a great inspiration. A great reminder that any girl who works hard and stays humble can achieve her dreams. So proud of her accomplishments and philosophy. Sad that you need to put a negative spin into a Tewaaraton achievement!

Hmmm wonder why Appuzzo doesn’t coach with TC anymore

She's coaching for BC now.

did not coach TG last summer

We all are entitled to our own opinions. From talking to other parents from various teams I think I'm going to move my kid. I'm glad Bill can help kids, but their are serious issues with some of the staff. Shannon can't keep herself from screaming for more than 30 seconds. Maybe if she spent more time coaching and less time panicked yelling the kids could succeed.

Great. You won’t be missed.

Good luck getting your kid a scholarship with your attitude

What age is your daughter? Why are you so unhappy with SS? If you are leaving why are you even on this page? Just leave and start trouble in a different organization when your daughter isn't the stud you think she is. Maybe it's not TG's, it's you the parent?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What age is your daughter? Why are you so unhappy with SS? If you are leaving why are you even on this page? Just leave and start trouble in a different organization when your daughter isn't the stud you think she is. Maybe it's not TG's, it's you the parent?

Seriously you TG parents are insane. The YJ parents I have met over the years all know that CR has her faults mainly related to the fact that its essentially just a business and she will help your daughter more when it helps her to promote her business and less when it does not. TG parents are completely blind to the over the top behavior from their club owners . Maybe the poster you are replying to is on here to legitimately warn others who are thinking of joining TG. I recall the warning about a certain coach being a terrible role model on this site when the final 4 was at SBU many years ago and it seems it helped me avoid a bad situation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What age is your daughter? Why are you so unhappy with SS? If you are leaving why are you even on this page? Just leave and start trouble in a different organization when your daughter isn't the stud you think she is. Maybe it's not TG's, it's you the parent?

Seriously you TG parents are insane. The YJ parents I have met over the years all know that CR has her faults mainly related to the fact that its essentially just a business and she will help your daughter more when it helps her to promote her business and less when it does not. TG parents are completely blind to the over the top behavior from their club owners . Maybe the poster you are replying to is on here to legitimately warn others who are thinking of joining TG. I recall the warning about a certain coach being a terrible role model on this site when the final 4 was at SBU many years ago and it seems it helped me avoid a bad situation.

Nobody cares what you think. Move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What age is your daughter? Why are you so unhappy with SS? If you are leaving why are you even on this page? Just leave and start trouble in a different organization when your daughter isn't the stud you think she is. Maybe it's not TG's, it's you the parent?

Seriously you TG parents are insane. The YJ parents I have met over the years all know that CR has her faults mainly related to the fact that its essentially just a business and she will help your daughter more when it helps her to promote her business and less when it does not. TG parents are completely blind to the over the top behavior from their club owners . Maybe the poster you are replying to is on here to legitimately warn others who are thinking of joining TG. I recall the warning about a certain coach being a terrible role model on this site when the final 4 was at SBU many years ago and it seems it helped me avoid a bad situation.

Agree with this ^^ so many negative comments on here but maybe there is some validity in it and instead of attacking those warning we actually listen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What age is your daughter? Why are you so unhappy with SS? If you are leaving why are you even on this page? Just leave and start trouble in a different organization when your daughter isn't the stud you think she is. Maybe it's not TG's, it's you the parent?

Seriously you TG parents are insane. The YJ parents I have met over the years all know that CR has her faults mainly related to the fact that its essentially just a business and she will help your daughter more when it helps her to promote her business and less when it does not. TG parents are completely blind to the over the top behavior from their club owners . Maybe the poster you are replying to is on here to legitimately warn others who are thinking of joining TG. I recall the warning about a certain coach being a terrible role model on this site when the final 4 was at SBU many years ago and it seems it helped me avoid a bad situation.

Nobody cares what you think. Move on.

Yet another example of the toxic people this club has brought in

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What age is your daughter? Why are you so unhappy with SS? If you are leaving why are you even on this page? Just leave and start trouble in a different organization when your daughter isn't the stud you think she is. Maybe it's not TG's, it's you the parent?

Seriously you TG parents are insane. The YJ parents I have met over the years all know that CR has her faults mainly related to the fact that its essentially just a business and she will help your daughter more when it helps her to promote her business and less when it does not. TG parents are completely blind to the over the top behavior from their club owners . Maybe the poster you are replying to is on here to legitimately warn others who are thinking of joining TG. I recall the warning about a certain coach being a terrible role model on this site when the final 4 was at SBU many years ago and it seems it helped me avoid a bad situation.

Nobody cares what you think. Move on.

Yet another example of the toxic people this club has brought in

Wow. Nice try. So it’s toxic to respond to a toxic uninformed statement made by someone with an obvious ax to grind. You must be a politician. Hint. Your green eyed jealousy is showing.

Sam Appuzzo is a very nice person and a gifted athlete. she would have been great if she played for legacy, YJ or anyone else. The Smiths try and take the credit but she is a freak athlete. she doesn't coach at TG because she smartened up. why should she waste for summers for $60/hour when she can now run her own clinics and make much more. now she gets more bang for the buck. Shes a BC grad. she knows what she is doing.

[quote=Anonymous]A lot of TG parents don't care that their coaches are embarrassing. stunads accept idiotic behavior. Everyone hears Shannon and Andrew cursing at players and referees, been happening for years. They justify it as it "makes them tougher" or "gets them ready for college." or some other SB like that. In reality, they are just white trash. they get yellow and reds..hurting the team on the field in the process. Big turn off for parents who want good role models and smart coaching for the good coin we are paying. That is why half the roster plays. the other half travels and gets junk time even in recruiting tourneys because they want to be seen as the best, but they just are not. very uncaring toward teh commitment of families who are bring their kid there to be developed but just watch. Seriously, you have to be notIntelligent to not explore other options.

What coaches don't yell? The Jesters Coach almost got thrown out of a fall showcase game he goes nuts on the sideline. CR and Bert both scream at players. Look to see where your daughter is developing that's the best spot for her.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot of TG parents don't care that their coaches are embarrassing. stunads accept idiotic behavior. Everyone hears Shannon and Andrew cursing at players and referees, been happening for years. They justify it as it "makes them tougher" or "gets them ready for college." or some other SB like that. In reality, they are just white trash. they get yellow and reds..hurting the team on the field in the process. Big turn off for parents who want good role models and smart coaching for the good coin we are paying. That is why half the roster plays. the other half travels and gets junk time even in recruiting tourneys because they want to be seen as the best, but they just are not. very uncaring toward teh commitment of families who are bring their kid there to be developed but just watch. Seriously, you have to be notIntelligent to not explore other options.

Guess you never saw the YJ coaches? Kings/Queens of Yellows and ejections. You also mention half the roster play. That is a YJ thing as well. I know YJ families who have driven to MD on Fathers day, and their daughters didn't step on the field!. On TG, everyone plays, although the better players get more field time, this happens in all top club teams. As for role models, as long as my daughter is being treated fairly at practice and tournaments, I'm good. What coaches do on their own time is not mine or my daughters business. Do you think all the coaches on other teams are great role models? Years ago, my daughters YJ coaches who were college players would show up (or not) hungover to the tournaments. Puking in the porta pottie between games. YJ and TG are the best clubs on LI and have more similarities than differences. It sounds to me that your daughter would be better suited for team 91 or Elevate. If you can't swim with the big fish, get out of the pond. And if your looking unicorns and rainbows in your lacrosse team, you will have a disappointing and frustrating journey.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot of TG parents don't care that their coaches are embarrassing. stunads accept idiotic behavior. Everyone hears Shannon and Andrew cursing at players and referees, been happening for years. They justify it as it "makes them tougher" or "gets them ready for college." or some other SB like that. In reality, they are just white trash. they get yellow and reds..hurting the team on the field in the process. Big turn off for parents who want good role models and smart coaching for the good coin we are paying. That is why half the roster plays. the other half travels and gets junk time even in recruiting tourneys because they want to be seen as the best, but they just are not. very uncaring toward teh commitment of families who are bring their kid there to be developed but just watch. Seriously, you have to be notIntelligent to not explore other options.

Wow. We get it. You keep posting the same thing. If you are part of TG then leave. Put on your big boy pants and go elsewhere. If your not with TG why do you want to waste your time with writing the same nonsense. Go be productive and get a job.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot of TG parents don't care that their coaches are embarrassing. stunads accept idiotic behavior. Everyone hears Shannon and Andrew cursing at players and referees, been happening for years. They justify it as it "makes them tougher" or "gets them ready for college." or some other SB like that. In reality, they are just white trash. they get yellow and reds..hurting the team on the field in the process. Big turn off for parents who want good role models and smart coaching for the good coin we are paying. That is why half the roster plays. the other half travels and gets junk time even in recruiting tourneys because they want to be seen as the best, but they just are not. very uncaring toward teh commitment of families who are bring their kid there to be developed but just watch. Seriously, you have to be notIntelligent to not explore other options.

Wow. We get it. You keep posting the same thing. If you are part of TG then leave. Put on your big boy pants and go elsewhere. If your not with TG why do you want to waste your time with writing the same nonsense. Go be productive and get a job.

Well said

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot of TG parents don't care that their coaches are embarrassing. stunads accept idiotic behavior. Everyone hears Shannon and Andrew cursing at players and referees, been happening for years. They justify it as it "makes them tougher" or "gets them ready for college." or some other SB like that. In reality, they are just white trash. they get yellow and reds..hurting the team on the field in the process. Big turn off for parents who want good role models and smart coaching for the good coin we are paying. That is why half the roster plays. the other half travels and gets junk time even in recruiting tourneys because they want to be seen as the best, but they just are not. very uncaring toward teh commitment of families who are bring their kid there to be developed but just watch. Seriously, you have to be notIntelligent to not explore other options.

Wow. We get it. You keep posting the same thing. If you are part of TG then leave. Put on your big boy pants and go elsewhere. If your not with TG why do you want to waste your time with writing the same nonsense. Go be productive and get a job.

Different parent here and also am looking to move my kid at the end of the year off the 24 team. Done with this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot of TG parents don't care that their coaches are embarrassing. stunads accept idiotic behavior. Everyone hears Shannon and Andrew cursing at players and referees, been happening for years. They justify it as it "makes them tougher" or "gets them ready for college." or some other SB like that. In reality, they are just white trash. they get yellow and reds..hurting the team on the field in the process. Big turn off for parents who want good role models and smart coaching for the good coin we are paying. That is why half the roster plays. the other half travels and gets junk time even in recruiting tourneys because they want to be seen as the best, but they just are not. very uncaring toward teh commitment of families who are bring their kid there to be developed but just watch. Seriously, you have to be notIntelligent to not explore other options.

Wow. We get it. You keep posting the same thing. If you are part of TG then leave. Put on your big boy pants and go elsewhere. If your not with TG why do you want to waste your time with writing the same nonsense. Go be productive and get a job.

Different parent here and also am looking to move my kid at the end of the year off the 24 team. Done with this.

See ya! Always nice to get rid of some dead wood.

Seriously you are okay with whatever your coaches do off the field as it’s none of your business . Your okay with one of the administrators getting so wasted at the final 4 he could not walk . Sorry but it’s disgusting that you knowingly allow your kids to be around that behavior but my guess they see it at home also . You will always be in YJ shadow , yes you had Sam Apuzzo and now she wants little to do with the club .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously you are okay with whatever your coaches do off the field as it’s none of your business . Your okay with one of the administrators getting so wasted at the final 4 he could not walk . Sorry but it’s disgusting that you knowingly allow your kids to be around that behavior but my guess they see it at home also . You will always be in YJ shadow , yes you had Sam Apuzzo and now she wants little to do with the club .

Grow up!!! Your a doody stirrer.... everyone at TG knows the truth and sam is always involved at TG when she’s home from Boston ... let the record show there is a lonely disgruntled parent who’s lil girl prob got cut years ago and they still can’t swallow it!!! #STAYSALTY.!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously you are okay with whatever your coaches do off the field as it’s none of your business . Your okay with one of the administrators getting so wasted at the final 4 he could not walk . Sorry but it’s disgusting that you knowingly allow your kids to be around that behavior but my guess they see it at home also . You will always be in YJ shadow , yes you had Sam Apuzzo and now she wants little to do with the club .

And.........he is back. Take your crying towel and shine box and go home.

Listen Karen’s, It’s disgusting how you are looking to bash coaches constantly. I’m sure you are perfect. If we dig into the personal lives of Coaches and parents from EVERY organization I’m sure we will find plenty of skeletons in their closets. How does the coach treat your daughter? Is he/she bringing out the best in her? Is he /she knowledgeable and professional? Does she enjoy playing for said coach and team? Is the team attending competitive events? Is there help with recruiting? These are the questions you should be concerned with. Otherwise mind your business! If you are not happy with TG, or any other club for that matter, leave. Everyone is replaceable. But to come on hear and continue to trash people anonymously makes you look like a cowardly hammerhead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Listen Karen’s, It’s disgusting how you are looking to bash coaches constantly. I’m sure you are perfect. If we dig into the personal lives of Coaches and parents from EVERY organization I’m sure we will find plenty of skeletons in their closets. How does the coach treat your daughter? Is he/she bringing out the best in her? Is he /she knowledgeable and professional? Does she enjoy playing for said coach and team? Is the team attending competitive events? Is there help with recruiting? These are the questions you should be concerned with. Otherwise mind your business! If you are not happy with TG, or any other club for that matter, leave. Everyone is replaceable. But to come on hear and continue to trash people anonymously makes you look like a cowardly hammerhead.

I think we can agree there's a difference between your coach being a little hot headed and being a felon, right? This forum is a resource for parents and this information isn't really available elsewhere. Apparently the clubs are unconcerned with criminals being around young girls, so we need to be vigilant ourselves for our daughters' sakes. If you are aware of their background and decide to let your daughter play for them, at least you are armed with that information. Apparently there are strippers coaching for YJ also, so there's that....

Thanks for sharing this in the BOTC forum, each parent can decide what to do with the info.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Listen Karen’s, It’s disgusting how you are looking to bash coaches constantly. I’m sure you are perfect. If we dig into the personal lives of Coaches and parents from EVERY organization I’m sure we will find plenty of skeletons in their closets. How does the coach treat your daughter? Is he/she bringing out the best in her? Is he /she knowledgeable and professional? Does she enjoy playing for said coach and team? Is the team attending competitive events? Is there help with recruiting? These are the questions you should be concerned with. Otherwise mind your business! If you are not happy with TG, or any other club for that matter, leave. Everyone is replaceable. But to come on hear and continue to trash people anonymously makes you look like a cowardly hammerhead.

Thanks for saying this. My daughter loves playing for Top Guns and is growing as a player. And I appreciate the communication from BS. It’s much better than our old club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Listen Karen’s, It’s disgusting how you are looking to bash coaches constantly. I’m sure you are perfect. If we dig into the personal lives of Coaches and parents from EVERY organization I’m sure we will find plenty of skeletons in their closets. How does the coach treat your daughter? Is he/she bringing out the best in her? Is he /she knowledgeable and professional? Does she enjoy playing for said coach and team? Is the team attending competitive events? Is there help with recruiting? These are the questions you should be concerned with. Otherwise mind your business! If you are not happy with TG, or any other club for that matter, leave. Everyone is replaceable. But to come on hear and continue to trash people anonymously makes you look like a cowardly hammerhead.

Thanks for saying this. My daughter loves playing for Top Guns and is growing as a player. And I appreciate the communication from BS. It’s much better than our old club.

People that come on here and criticize TG are usually from other clubs. They hope you will leave and go to their club. Good way for them to try and drum up new business.

So it seems there are many unfit coaches spread out among the travel programs, unfit directors as well. I coached for many years in youth lacrosse and SCGL at one point, were making all coaches register, get finger printed and did background checks on all the coaches. Not sure how thorough these checks were, but I thought this was a great step they took. All these clubs are free to hire whoever they want, yes even convicted criminals, and yes, that is a bit scary. Since all these travel clubs participate mainly under US Lacrosse sanctioned tournaments and player membership umbrella, it would be great if US Lacrosse could adapt similar screening for all registered coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it seems there are many unfit coaches spread out among the travel programs, unfit directors as well. I coached for many years in youth lacrosse and SCGL at one point, were making all coaches register, get finger printed and did background checks on all the coaches. Not sure how thorough these checks were, but I thought this was a great step they took. All these clubs are free to hire whoever they want, yes even convicted criminals, and yes, that is a bit scary. Since all these travel clubs participate mainly under US Lacrosse sanctioned tournaments and player membership umbrella, it would be great if US Lacrosse could adapt similar screening for all registered coaches.

Why? Travel lacrosse is a private business. Unless we’re talking about child molesters, the coaches private business is their own. I’m sure most of the coaches out there are accepting cash for training. That makes them guilty of tax evasion.

This should settle it! All involved in youth lacrosse are felons and should be banned from contact from young people!!! Watcha got now Karen??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it seems there are many unfit coaches spread out among the travel programs, unfit directors as well. I coached for many years in youth lacrosse and SCGL at one point, were making all coaches register, get finger printed and did background checks on all the coaches. Not sure how thorough these checks were, but I thought this was a great step they took. All these clubs are free to hire whoever they want, yes even convicted criminals, and yes, that is a bit scary. Since all these travel clubs participate mainly under US Lacrosse sanctioned tournaments and player membership umbrella, it would be great if US Lacrosse could adapt similar screening for all registered coaches.

Why? Travel lacrosse is a private business. Unless we’re talking about child molesters, the coaches private business is their own. I’m sure most of the coaches out there are accepting cash for training. That makes them guilty of tax evasion.

Yes. That’s what we need. More corrupt government intervention in our private lives.

[quote=Anonymous]This should settle it! All involved in youth lacrosse are felons and should be banned from contact from young people!!! Watcha got now Karen??

Sure. Use the corrupt IRS to go after young women making a few $ coaching young lax players. Hmm. I have an idea. Remove your cranium from your arse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This should settle it! All involved in youth lacrosse are felons and should be banned from contact from young people!!! Watcha got now Karen??

Fill out IRS 3949-A anonymously.

Yes that's correct and you should decide which ones are and aren't as you kids parent. Also let's not pretend mom's / Karen's are on here. It's all dad's talking trash....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it seems there are many unfit coaches spread out among the travel programs, unfit directors as well. I coached for many years in youth lacrosse and SCGL at one point, were making all coaches register, get finger printed and did background checks on all the coaches. Not sure how thorough these checks were, but I thought this was a great step they took. All these clubs are free to hire whoever they want, yes even convicted criminals, and yes, that is a bit scary. Since all these travel clubs participate mainly under US Lacrosse sanctioned tournaments and player membership umbrella, it would be great if US Lacrosse could adapt similar screening for all registered coaches.

Why? Travel lacrosse is a private business. Unless we’re talking about child molesters, the coaches private business is their own. I’m sure most of the coaches out there are accepting cash for training. That makes them guilty of tax evasion.

Because US Lacrosse as a business shouldn't want criminals, drunk drivers, or crooks who were banned from the securities industry molding the minds of our daughters. Not a great role model set, not to mention reputational risk for each club individually and US Lacrosse as a sanctioning body. The clubs don't seem to care and by the general tone of this thread many parents don't either. Many private business have higher standards than what is just legal.

So... some crimes are Ok, but some aren't? It's Ok for coaches to accept cash for training, which is a felony if they don't report it! Worry about yourself and your kid Karen!

I have an idea remove ur daughter from lacrosse and go back to Girl Scouts !!!! Next topic

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it seems there are many unfit coaches spread out among the travel programs, unfit directors as well. I coached for many years in youth lacrosse and SCGL at one point, were making all coaches register, get finger printed and did background checks on all the coaches. Not sure how thorough these checks were, but I thought this was a great step they took. All these clubs are free to hire whoever they want, yes even convicted criminals, and yes, that is a bit scary. Since all these travel clubs participate mainly under US Lacrosse sanctioned tournaments and player membership umbrella, it would be great if US Lacrosse could adapt similar screening for all registered coaches.

Why? Travel lacrosse is a private business. Unless we’re talking about child molesters, the coaches private business is their own. I’m sure most of the coaches out there are accepting cash for training. That makes them guilty of tax evasion.

Because US Lacrosse as a business shouldn't want criminals, drunk drivers, or crooks who were banned from the securities industry molding the minds of our daughters. Not a great role model set, not to mention reputational risk for each club individually and US Lacrosse as a sanctioning body. The clubs don't seem to care and by the general tone of this thread many parents don't either. Many private business have higher standards than what is just legal.

So... some crimes are Ok, but some aren't? It's Ok for coaches to accept cash for training, which is a felony if they don't report it! Worry about yourself and your kid Karen!

Hey. Got an idea for ya. How about you start putting that list of felons together and this way nobody has to read the drivel you seem to consistently want to write about here. Oh yea.... make sure you put your big boy pants on and sign that felons list.

Let's be real here....Top Guns has our coach, Andrew, but so does Elevate and Jesters. Kotowski and Jesters Father Coach are just the same. Maybe find another club instead of just bashing Top Guns.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does not matter how many felons TG brings in to coach after SA they stopped producing any top talent ,just look at the current college player rankings .

Valid. Idk why anyone still sends their kids to this program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does not matter how many felons TG brings in to coach after SA they stopped producing any top talent ,just look at the current college player rankings .

Valid. Idk why anyone still sends their kids to this program.

With their “lack of talent”, strange how the YJA team is yet to beat them in the ‘23 age group. Lol

[quote=Anonymous]Does not matter how many felons TG brings in to coach after SA they stopped producing any top talent ,just look at the current college player rankings .

So I guess the former TG girls that coach for Jesters didn’t have talent? Lol.

Happy people don't complain about other clubs. Regardless of which club they play for, the top girls and parents generally get along and respect each other. Many of these girls have played together on all star teams, HS teams, and some will play together in college. They are Instagram friends. The psycho parents that come on here and put girls and clubs down are the ones who are bitter that they're daughter was cut, gets no paying time, etc. Instead of coming on here trying to stir the pot, why don't you concentrate on the real issue? Being a keyboard cowboy on BOTC is not going to help your daughters skills improve, she probably despises you for being such a negative complaining worm anyhow!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Does not matter how many felons TG brings in to coach after SA they stopped producing any top talent ,just look at the current college player rankings .

Valid. Idk why anyone still sends their kids to this program.

Look at the 2022 class of recruits and the lack of talent is incredible. No talent at all going to schools like Northwestern, Notre Dame, Hopkins, Dartmouth, Brown, Loyola, Richmond, JMU. Your right I wouldn't want me kid to go to any of those schools, Top Guns doesn't know how to get girls recruited. Why go there?

I assume this is an attempt at sarcasm as every one of those schools is on their webpage as a 2022 commitment. Only school that's really missing is BC. Sam? Sam? Little help here....

in case you are new to this and making decisions for your daughter...TG did nothing in 2020, and 21 with recruitment. my daughter played on 21 purple. we tried to be "loyal" but got her out in time for recruiting. it was the best thing I ever did. tough when girls got friends on the team, but of the girls who stayed, many were disappointed by their college choices. mine got what she needed. I would recommend parents check jesters - hearing great things about the girls coaching or YJ best track record hands down. which ever is a better coaching fit for your kid at that level and whichever practices closer to home. even many TG 22 girls are not recruited at all. half teh black roster is without choices because shannln and and Andrew only play the starters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

in case you are new to this and making decisions for your daughter...TG did nothing in 2020, and 21 with recruitment. my daughter played on 21 purple. we tried to be "loyal" but got her out in time for recruiting. it was the best thing I ever did. tough when girls got friends on the team, but of the girls who stayed, many were disappointed by their college choices. mine got what she needed. I would recommend parents check jesters - hearing great things about the girls coaching or YJ best track record hands down. which ever is a better coaching fit for your kid at that level and whichever practices closer to home. even many TG 22 girls are not recruited at all. half teh black roster is without choices because shannln and and Andrew only play the starters.

Ok long time jesters parent lol... you can’t believe anything you read on this platform

If you go to jesters just remember to get top gun training first so you know how to play when you get there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

in case you are new to this and making decisions for your daughter...TG did nothing in 2020, and 21 with recruitment. my daughter played on 21 purple. we tried to be "loyal" but got her out in time for recruiting. it was the best thing I ever did. tough when girls got friends on the team, but of the girls who stayed, many were disappointed by their college choices. mine got what she needed. I would recommend parents check jesters - hearing great things about the girls coaching or YJ best track record hands down. which ever is a better coaching fit for your kid at that level and whichever practices closer to home. even many TG 22 girls are not recruited at all. half teh black roster is without choices because shannln and and Andrew only play the starters.

Kids on the purple team expect to be recruited?

Where ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

in case you are new to this and making decisions for your daughter...TG did nothing in 2020, and 21 with recruitment. my daughter played on 21 purple. we tried to be "loyal" but got her out in time for recruiting. it was the best thing I ever did. tough when girls got friends on the team, but of the girls who stayed, many were disappointed by their college choices. mine got what she needed. I would recommend parents check jesters - hearing great things about the girls coaching or YJ best track record hands down. which ever is a better coaching fit for your kid at that level and whichever practices closer to home. even many TG 22 girls are not recruited at all. half teh black roster is without choices because shannln and and Andrew only play the starters.

Kids on the purple team expect to be recruited?

Where ?

Bridgeport, East Stroudsberg maybe?

[quote=Anonymous]in case you are new to this and making decisions for your daughter...TG did nothing in 2020, and 21 with recruitment. my daughter played on 21 purple. we tried to be "loyal" but got her out in time for recruiting. it was the best thing I ever did. tough when girls got friends on the team, but of the girls who stayed, many were disappointed by their college choices. mine got what she needed. I would recommend parents check jesters - hearing great things about the girls coaching or YJ best track record hands down. which ever is a better coaching fit for your kid at that level and whichever practices closer to home. even many TG 22 girls are not recruited at all. half teh black roster is without choices because shannln and and Andrew only play the starters.

Jesters have zero recruits. No track record at all. Why would you put your daughters into that program?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]in case you are new to this and making decisions for your daughter...TG did nothing in 2020, and 21 with recruitment. my daughter played on 21 purple. we tried to be "loyal" but got her out in time for recruiting. it was the best thing I ever did. tough when girls got friends on the team, but of the girls who stayed, many were disappointed by their college choices. mine got what she needed. I would recommend parents check jesters - hearing great things about the girls coaching or YJ best track record hands down. which ever is a better coaching fit for your kid at that level and whichever practices closer to home. even many TG 22 girls are not recruited at all. half teh black roster is without choices because shannln and and Andrew only play the starters.

Jesters have zero recruits. No track record at all. Why would you put your daughters into that program?

THIS! I don’t know why families at jesters don’t realize this yet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

in case you are new to this and making decisions for your daughter...TG did nothing in 2020, and 21 with recruitment. my daughter played on 21 purple. we tried to be "loyal" but got her out in time for recruiting. it was the best thing I ever did. tough when girls got friends on the team, but of the girls who stayed, many were disappointed by their college choices. mine got what she needed. I would recommend parents check jesters - hearing great things about the girls coaching or YJ best track record hands down. which ever is a better coaching fit for your kid at that level and whichever practices closer to home. even many TG 22 girls are not recruited at all. half teh black roster is without choices because shannln and and Andrew only play the starters.

22 verbal commits for 2022 sounds pretty good to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]in case you are new to this and making decisions for your daughter...TG did nothing in 2020, and 21 with recruitment. my daughter played on 21 purple. we tried to be "loyal" but got her out in time for recruiting. it was the best thing I ever did. tough when girls got friends on the team, but of the girls who stayed, many were disappointed by their college choices. mine got what she needed. I would recommend parents check jesters - hearing great things about the girls coaching or YJ best track record hands down. which ever is a better coaching fit for your kid at that level and whichever practices closer to home. even many TG 22 girls are not recruited at all. half teh black roster is without choices because shannln and and Andrew only play the starters.

Jesters have zero recruits. No track record at all. Why would you put your daughters into that program?

THIS! I don’t know why families at jesters don’t realize this yet

Not a Jesters parent, but they wont have any problems getting recruiting for their 2023 team. That team has a lot of top talent on it. I believe that will pave the way for the years after that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]in case you are new to this and making decisions for your daughter...TG did nothing in 2020, and 21 with recruitment. my daughter played on 21 purple. we tried to be "loyal" but got her out in time for recruiting. it was the best thing I ever did. tough when girls got friends on the team, but of the girls who stayed, many were disappointed by their college choices. mine got what she needed. I would recommend parents check jesters - hearing great things about the girls coaching or YJ best track record hands down. which ever is a better coaching fit for your kid at that level and whichever practices closer to home. even many TG 22 girls are not recruited at all. half teh black roster is without choices because shannln and and Andrew only play the starters.

Jesters have zero recruits. No track record at all. Why would you put your daughters into that program?

THIS! I don’t know why families at jesters don’t realize this yet

Not a Jesters parent, but they wont have any problems getting recruiting for their 2023 team. That team has a lot of top talent on it. I believe that will pave the way for the years after that.

We'll find out in September.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]in case you are new to this and making decisions for your daughter...TG did nothing in 2020, and 21 with recruitment. my daughter played on 21 purple. we tried to be "loyal" but got her out in time for recruiting. it was the best thing I ever did. tough when girls got friends on the team, but of the girls who stayed, many were disappointed by their college choices. mine got what she needed. I would recommend parents check jesters - hearing great things about the girls coaching or YJ best track record hands down. which ever is a better coaching fit for your kid at that level and whichever practices closer to home. even many TG 22 girls are not recruited at all. half teh black roster is without choices because shannln and and Andrew only play the starters.

Jesters have zero recruits. No track record at all. Why would you put your daughters into that program?

THIS! I don’t know why families at jesters don’t realize this yet

Not a Jesters parent, but they wont have any problems getting recruiting for their 2023 team. That team has a lot of top talent on it. I believe that will pave the way for the years after that.

We'll find out in September.

surprised some didn't leave the program for the top recruiting teams . They will be looked at after YJ a/b Top Guns Legacy....

Not YJ B. All the top girls left that team. YJ B will have weaker recruits than Jesters and Legacy. The YJ brand can only get you so far

YJB will def have recruits almost all will get recruited always do almost all the girls go somewhere....even their C team half get a nod.. yja will be the top looked at team. brand helps 100%

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJB will def have recruits almost all will get recruited always do almost all the girls go somewhere....even their C team half get a nod.. yja will be the top looked at team. brand helps 100%

They will be “recruited” to bottom tier programs. Girls can get recruited there just playing HS ball. Waste of money if your playing on a B team looking to go somewhere competitive. If you’re playing on that team so you can run around with overpriced Fear the Bee wear, and love traveling to MD every weekend then it’s a great fit. Think it’s about being realistic

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJB will def have recruits almost all will get recruited always do almost all the girls go somewhere....even their C team half get a nod.. yja will be the top looked at team. brand helps 100%

College coaches recruit players not clubs. Stony Brook took a 22 from TE B team. JS obviously thinks she can play and he clearly doesn't care what club team she payed for. Wake up people!

Not everyone is looking to go to top 10 lax schools....THAT is being realistic....even YJA and will only have a few that go. Everyone finds their place ... each club does a good job including TG Legacy and TE does a great job with the Ivy's also ..... find a fit for your kid. no lax beyond college....just a handful will be lifers....if thats what your kid wants then go for it stop putting everyone down that isn't looking for that

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not everyone is looking to go to top 10 lax schools....THAT is being realistic....even YJA and will only have a few that go. Everyone finds their place ... each club does a good job including TG Legacy and TE does a great job with the Ivy's also ..... find a fit for your kid. no lax beyond college....just a handful will be lifers....if thats what your kid wants then go for it stop putting everyone down that isn't looking for that

The goal for lacrosse is to get into a school that you wouldn’t be able to otherwise. Lacrosse opens doors. Now the TE girls who are just mediocre lax players have daddies with big wallets, and value the Ivy League education. Smart move!

Did any of our 23 or 24 kids get into Under Armor 150?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did any of our 23 or 24 kids get into Under Armor 150?

UA 150 complete waste of time in the middle of summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did any of our 23 or 24 kids get into Under Armor 150?

UA 150 complete waste of time in the middle of summer

Not at all. It’s a great event with amazing recruiting exposure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did any of our 23 or 24 kids get into Under Armor 150?

UA 150 complete waste of time in the middle of summer

Agreed, I don’t know any girls who even tried out. Big waste of time and money if you’re a good player. So many better options!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did any of our 23 or 24 kids get into Under Armor 150?

UA 150 complete waste of time in the middle of summer

Agree complete waste of time and completely arbitrary.
Is it the club you play for??
Not many 2023 or 24’s have even played 1 season of varsity lacrosse (i know the 23’s that played in 8th or even a few in 7th, and 24’s that played in 7th). point is not many.
I guess good film and having the right person give you Fluffed recommendation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did any of our 23 or 24 kids get into Under Armor 150?

UA 150 complete waste of time in the middle of summer

Agree complete waste of time and completely arbitrary.
Is it the club you play for??
Not many 2023 or 24’s have even played 1 season of varsity lacrosse (i know the 23’s that played in 8th or even a few in 7th, and 24’s that played in 7th). point is not many.
I guess good film and having the right person give you Fluffed recommendation.

Good film of good players. The film don’t lie. I saw some good YJ players made it and quite a few from clubs around the country. If you didn’t make it you must not be that good or club didn’t help you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did any of our 23 or 24 kids get into Under Armor 150?

UA 150 complete waste of time in the middle of summer

Agree complete waste of time and completely arbitrary.
Is it the club you play for??
Not many 2023 or 24’s have even played 1 season of varsity lacrosse (i know the 23’s that played in 8th or even a few in 7th, and 24’s that played in 7th). point is not many.
I guess good film and having the right person give you Fluffed recommendation.

Good film of good players. The film don’t lie. I saw some good YJ players made it and quite a few from clubs around the country. If you didn’t make it you must not be that good or club didn’t help you.

did it last year...complete waste of time and it was expensive. we did get film but that is about it. If you didn't make it, don't worry so many don't go you will get a call. save your money and put it towards possible camps your kid will get noticed there

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did any of our 23 or 24 kids get into Under Armor 150?

UA 150 complete waste of time in the middle of summer

Not at all. It’s a great event with amazing recruiting exposure.

not true....they all claim that ...money grabs...this is not how to get recruited

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did any of our 23 or 24 kids get into Under Armor 150?

UA 150 complete waste of time in the middle of summer

Agree complete waste of time and completely arbitrary.
Is it the club you play for??
Not many 2023 or 24’s have even played 1 season of varsity lacrosse (i know the 23’s that played in 8th or even a few in 7th, and 24’s that played in 7th). point is not many.
I guess good film and having the right person give you Fluffed recommendation.

Good film of good players. The film don’t lie. I saw some good YJ players made it and quite a few from clubs around the country. If you didn’t make it you must not be that good or club didn’t help you.

The better girls were advised against it. It’s good for B team or lower A team girls. Remember, you can look like a star when playing lower competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did any of our 23 or 24 kids get into Under Armor 150?

UA 150 complete waste of time in the middle of summer

Agree complete waste of time and completely arbitrary.
Is it the club you play for??
Not many 2023 or 24’s have even played 1 season of varsity lacrosse (i know the 23’s that played in 8th or even a few in 7th, and 24’s that played in 7th). point is not many.
I guess good film and having the right person give you Fluffed recommendation.

Good film of good players. The film don’t lie. I saw some good YJ players made it and quite a few from clubs around the country. If you didn’t make it you must not be that good or club didn’t help you.

The better girls were advised against it. It’s good for B team or lower A team girls. Remember, you can look like a star when playing lower competition.

Top YJ 2024 players are in it... same with kids from other clubs across the country who are ranked as top ten players for the 2024 class. You’re lying to yourself and others about events like this...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did any of our 23 or 24 kids get into Under Armor 150?

UA 150 complete waste of time in the middle of summer

Agree complete waste of time and completely arbitrary.
Is it the club you play for??
Not many 2023 or 24’s have even played 1 season of varsity lacrosse (i know the 23’s that played in 8th or even a few in 7th, and 24’s that played in 7th). point is not many.
I guess good film and having the right person give you Fluffed recommendation.

Good film of good players. The film don’t lie. I saw some good YJ players made it and quite a few from clubs around the country. If you didn’t make it you must not be that good or club didn’t help you.

The better girls were advised against it. It’s good for B team or lower A team girls. Remember, you can look like a star when playing lower competition.

Top YJ 2024 players are in it... same with kids from other clubs across the country who are ranked as top ten players for the 2024 class. You’re lying to yourself and others about events like this...

The "better girls" would be concentrating on the real UA

Actually, regardless of parental opinion on the “level” of a players ability, showcases of any kind are a good experience on many levels. Whether a player is recruited or not it gives kids the exposure to pressure and helps them perform while learning to shut out the “noise”. They learn to concentrate on their performance and fundamentals while at the same time being a positive personality. It also exposes those players who have been coached to be selfish and a detrimental personality to a team. Do your best and have fun should be the message.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did any of our 23 or 24 kids get into Under Armor 150?

UA 150 complete waste of time in the middle of summer

Agree complete waste of time and completely arbitrary.
Is it the club you play for??
Not many 2023 or 24’s have even played 1 season of varsity lacrosse (i know the 23’s that played in 8th or even a few in 7th, and 24’s that played in 7th). point is not many.
I guess good film and having the right person give you Fluffed recommendation.

Good film of good players. The film don’t lie. I saw some good YJ players made it and quite a few from clubs around the country. If you didn’t make it you must not be that good or club didn’t help you.

According to the 2024 thread on here one elevate, a few YJ, one legacy, two 91 crossfire kids. It has nothing to do with the club name just the film and application.

Originally Posted by The Hop

Actually, regardless of parental opinion on the “level” of a players ability, showcases of any kind are a good experience on many levels. Whether a player is recruited or not it gives kids the exposure to pressure and helps them perform while learning to shut out the “noise”. They learn to concentrate on their performance and fundamentals while at the same time being a positive personality. It also exposes those players who have been coached to be selfish and a detrimental personality to a team. Do your best and have fun should be the message.

Love this. Exactly the point I was trying to make before. It's a great event, great opportunity for kids, and a really strong group of kids who made it. Kids will enjoy it, play alongside other amazing players, and their talent will speak for itself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did any of our 23 or 24 kids get into Under Armor 150?

UA 150 complete waste of time in the middle of summer

Agreed, I don’t know any girls who even tried out. Big waste of time and money if you’re a good player. So many better options!

It's not a "try out". Over 1500 girls applied this year, that speaks volumes. Look at their commitment list - pretty impressive. 2 days of playing games, I don't look at that as a waste of time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did any of our 23 or 24 kids get into Under Armor 150?

UA 150 complete waste of time in the middle of summer

Agree complete waste of time and completely arbitrary.
Is it the club you play for??
Not many 2023 or 24’s have even played 1 season of varsity lacrosse (i know the 23’s that played in 8th or even a few in 7th, and 24’s that played in 7th). point is not many.
I guess good film and having the right person give you Fluffed recommendation.

Good film of good players. The film don’t lie. I saw some good YJ players made it and quite a few from clubs around the country. If you didn’t make it you must not be that good or club didn’t help you.

The better girls were advised against it. It’s good for B team or lower A team girls. Remember, you can look like a star when playing lower competition.

“The better girls were advised against it”???? I’d advise to find another coach/club

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did any of our 23 or 24 kids get into Under Armor 150?

UA 150 complete waste of time in the middle of summer

Agree complete waste of time and completely arbitrary.
Is it the club you play for??
Not many 2023 or 24’s have even played 1 season of varsity lacrosse (i know the 23’s that played in 8th or even a few in 7th, and 24’s that played in 7th). point is not many.
I guess good film and having the right person give you Fluffed recommendation.

Good film of good players. The film don’t lie. I saw some good YJ players made it and quite a few from clubs around the country. If you didn’t make it you must not be that good or club didn’t help you.

The better girls were advised against it. It’s good for B team or lower A team girls. Remember, you can look like a star when playing lower competition.

“The better girls were advised against it”???? I’d advise to find another coach/club

^^ so true. If your club coaches are advising against this event you need a new team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did any of our 23 or 24 kids get into Under Armor 150?

UA 150 complete waste of time in the middle of summer

Agreed, I don’t know any girls who even tried out. Big waste of time and money if you’re a good player. So many better options!

It's not a "try out". Over 1500 girls applied this year, that speaks volumes. Look at their commitment list - pretty impressive. 2 days of playing games, I don't look at that as a waste of time.

The try I process is the ua board picking top kids based off film. If your kid didn’t make it they weren’t picked because the board didn’t think they were strong enough. They want the best kids because it means they have a better reputation. They’d be idiotic to not take the best kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did any of our 23 or 24 kids get into Under Armor 150?

UA 150 complete waste of time in the middle of summer

Agreed, I don’t know any girls who even tried out. Big waste of time and money if you’re a good player. So many better options!

It's not a "try out". Over 1500 girls applied this year, that speaks volumes. Look at their commitment list - pretty impressive. 2 days of playing games, I don't look at that as a waste of time.

The try I process is the ua board picking top kids based off film. If your kid didn’t make it they weren’t picked because the board didn’t think they were strong enough. They want the best kids because it means they have a better reputation. They’d be idiotic to not take the best kids.

If you made UA team you automatically make it. same with making call back game.
Heard none of the top 23 girls applied.
UA 150 will have some quality competition for 2 days so it’s worth doing if you want to.
Necessary?? not even close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did any of our 23 or 24 kids get into Under Armor 150?

UA 150 complete waste of time in the middle of summer

Agreed, I don’t know any girls who even tried out. Big waste of time and money if you’re a good player. So many better options!

It's not a "try out". Over 1500 girls applied this year, that speaks volumes. Look at their commitment list - pretty impressive. 2 days of playing games, I don't look at that as a waste of time.

they say 1500 applied ..this is how they bait you and you pay for it. its a business and they are there to make money...but thats how lax is done....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did any of our 23 or 24 kids get into Under Armor 150?

UA 150 complete waste of time in the middle of summer

Agreed, I don’t know any girls who even tried out. Big waste of time and money if you’re a good player. So many better options!

It's not a "try out". Over 1500 girls applied this year, that speaks volumes. Look at their commitment list - pretty impressive. 2 days of playing games, I don't look at that as a waste of time.

they say 1500 applied ..this is how they bait you and you pay for it. its a business and they are there to make money...but thats how lax is done....

Girls are waitlisted, girls are waitlisted every year...you only pay for it when you accept the position. It's free to apply so how is anyone being "baited"? I'd be curious what those "better options" are that are out there? Especially with COVID and who knows if D1 schools will be holding any camps/clinics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Did any of our 23 or 24 kids get into Under Armor 150?

UA 150 complete waste of time in the middle of summer

Agreed, I don’t know any girls who even tried out. Big waste of time and money if you’re a good player. So many better options!

It's not a "try out". Over 1500 girls applied this year, that speaks volumes. Look at their commitment list - pretty impressive. 2 days of playing games, I don't look at that as a waste of time.

they say 1500 applied ..this is how they bait you and you pay for it. its a business and they are there to make money...but thats how lax is done....

Girls are waitlisted, girls are waitlisted every year...you only pay for it when you accept the position. It's free to apply so how is anyone being "baited"? I'd be curious what those "better options" are that are out there? Especially with COVID and who knows if D1 schools will be holding any camps/clinics.

UNC has their summer camps/clinics up already.

Girls Midwest UA Highlight team was an absolute joke! The 3 coaches each took 5-7 of their own kids. Total farce. $150 for the tryout may have been worst LAX $$ ever spent. Throw the trip to Indy in the equation and it
we could have done a 3 day residential camp at a school we were interested in. All the kids were average or below average kids from garbage club teams from MN & MI. They could have randomly selected a better team.

Not true at all, UA is a complete money grab and there is absolutely no incentive to take best kids. From what I saw after attending 2 yrs. in a row, the coaches use the platform to repay a handful of their their top summer club clients. Generally speaking, the kids are average to above average players. By no means are the most talented kids selected for the team. I have stated before on here that the 2021 Midwest Command team was an absolute joke. The MI & MN coaches stacked the team with their own kids. Corrigan & UA ought to be ashamed of themselves and refund everyone who tried out. The top few club teams from midwest powerhouse states Illinois and Ohio would have had no problem man handling the final UA team.

Originally Posted by TAS1234

Not true at all, UA is a complete money grab and there is absolutely no incentive to take best kids. From what I saw after attending 2 yrs. in a row, the coaches use the platform to repay a handful of their their top summer club clients. Generally speaking, the kids are average to above average players. By no means are the most talented kids selected for the team. I have stated before on here that the 2021 Midwest Command team was an absolute joke. The MI & MN coaches stacked the team with their own kids. Corrigan & UA ought to be ashamed of themselves and refund everyone who tried out. The top few club teams from midwest powerhouse states Illinois and Ohio would have had no problem man handling the final UA team.

In the 24 and 25 age groups, AS was where the best talent was at. Look at team rosters at the two events. AS was loaded with the talent and much better teams. Look at the match ups!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by TAS1234

Not true at all, UA is a complete money grab and there is absolutely no incentive to take best kids. From what I saw after attending 2 yrs. in a row, the coaches use the platform to repay a handful of their their top summer club clients. Generally speaking, the kids are average to above average players. By no means are the most talented kids selected for the team. I have stated before on here that the 2021 Midwest Command team was an absolute joke. The MI & MN coaches stacked the team with their own kids. Corrigan & UA ought to be ashamed of themselves and refund everyone who tried out. The top few club teams from midwest powerhouse states Illinois and Ohio would have had no problem man handling the final UA team.

In the 24 and 25 age groups, AS was where the best talent was at. Look at team rosters at the two events. AS was loaded with the talent and much better teams. Look at the match ups!

How is UA a money grab??? only event that after tryout is FREE!! AS was $750-900 all IN.
hence the best players from Baltimore and Long Island in the 22-23 did UA. the younger group was more split but after the feedback from college coaches i see more trying out for UA next year.
AS definitely easier to make; only one grade per team, being a 25 or 23 is usually extremely hard to make UA because they take the older kids.

Did you get feedback from college coach’s regarding UA vs. AS? Clearly in the younger age groups of 24s and 25s , talent and teams were at AS! Only ones being even looked at, at UA were the 22s and 23s. Look at the comp. and rosters of the younger team. Not even close. Sometimes , you get what you pay for. If AS brings back the same girls, you can bet that’s where the top colleges will be looking at 24s next year!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did you get feedback from college coach’s regarding UA vs. AS? Clearly in the younger age groups of 24s and 25s , talent and teams were at AS! Only ones being even looked at, at UA were the 22s and 23s. Look at the comp. and rosters of the younger team. Not even close. Sometimes , you get what you pay for. If AS brings back the same girls, you can bet that’s where the top colleges will be looking at 24s next year!

Just because you keep saying it, doesnt make it true

Just read for yourself, the rosters and the games that were played and by what teams. You can see where the talent and best teams in 24/25 age groups were for yourself. Compare … but, hey congrats on UA, both events were good opportunities to play. We shall see what next year brings?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just read for yourself, the rosters and the games that were played and by what teams. You can see where the talent and best teams in 24/25 age groups were for yourself. Compare … but, hey congrats on UA, both events were good opportunities to play. We shall see what next year brings?

Definitely not true for the 25s, and debatable at best for the 24 age group

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just read for yourself, the rosters and the games that were played and by what teams. You can see where the talent and best teams in 24/25 age groups were for yourself. Compare … but, hey congrats on UA, both events were good opportunities to play. We shall see what next year brings?

Who cares?? Head coaches were at both events and both events did their job. Neither one was regarded as the better event by the top college coaches. Why are you so hung up on this?

Out of control parents? You to further east if you want to see out of control, self-serving, vile, me, me, me parents! it's obnoxious - there is no scholarship worth that. i will get a 2nd, 3rd job to pay for school. I wouldn't put my daughter through that

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Out of control parents? You to further east if you want to see out of control, self-serving, vile, me, me, me parents! it's obnoxious - there is no scholarship worth that. i will get a 2nd, 3rd job to pay for school. I wouldn't put my daughter through that

What are you replying to ?

For recruiting TG has been the best travel team for recruiting more than half of their players for one age group each go to college as D1 recruits and all come out successfully. For example look at Madison Taylor she is one of the best players on Northwestern as an FRESHMAN. Emma Ward is one of the top attackers for any D1 colleges and many more outstanding players.

Who is the coach for 2028 Black?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJB will def have recruits almost all will get recruited always do almost all the girls go somewhere....even their C team half get a nod.. yja will be the top looked at team. brand helps 100%

They will be “recruited” to bottom tier programs. Girls can get recruited there just playing HS ball. Waste of money if your playing on a B team looking to go somewhere competitive. If you’re playing on that team so you can run around with overpriced Fear the Bee wear, and love traveling to MD every weekend then it’s a great fit. Think it’s about being realistic

Someone on the older C teams is going to Yale. So there’s that

Funny