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Posted By: Powderfinger Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 04/14/11 02:52 PM
I'm interested in hearing what Top Guns participants have to say about their program. We played a few of their teams in winter leagues and I liked what I saw but know nothing about the organization and pricing. Anyone?
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 04/14/11 06:33 PM
The pricing and package information for the Long Island Top Guns Girls Program follows.

Graduating Years: 2013 – 2018, 2011 Annual Fee is $1100

Payment Includes:

Tournaments : 5 Guaranteed SUMMER Tournaments
This fee does not include fall or winter tournaments and/or leagues

Practices : 10 Team Practices

Coaches : World Class Coaching Staff, Two Coaches per Team
Each team will be over seen by Shannon Smith and Lacey Vigmostad

Uniform : Team Uniform / First Year Bag is Included / Sweat Shirt Recruitment

Each player will have a chance to be guided through the process, have the ability to make a player profile and make meetings with the coaches to go over questions you may have.

PAYMENT SCHEDULE

Payment 1 : $200 September 13th, 2010
Payment 2 : $200 December 1st, 2010
Payment 3 : $200 February 1st, 2011
Payment 4 : $250 March 1st, 2011
Payment 5 : $250 May 1st, 2011

**** ALL PAYMENTS ARE NONFEFUNDABLE ****
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 04/15/11 12:15 AM
Thanks, CageSage. I'm going to keep my eye on them this season and maybe make a move next year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 04/15/11 02:17 PM
The best thing about the Top Guns it is a family organization that puts the girls first. It's NOT take the money and make as many teams needed like some of the other larger ones.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 04/15/11 02:56 PM
Can some tell me why the LI Top Guns are getting such good reviews, and why it's all the talk a on the Lacrosse fields this spring?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 04/15/11 04:31 PM
Top Gun is a business just like most of the organizations. I am sure if they have 120 kids try out they will have 4 teams too. You make it sound like they are doing this as volunteers. The kids should play where they are comfortable at a level they are comfortable at. Having more teams enables an organization to get the kids playing with other kids at their skill level. As their skill level improves they have the opportunity to move to a different team that fits their needs and talent. Some kids will to the opposite and that is fine too.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 04/15/11 06:13 PM
You’re correct. It’s a business and it makes money but they put the game and the girls first and foremost. They teach good sportsmanship, team spirit and the rules of the game. Unlike some who promote aggressive behavior and win at all cost disregarding the rules and the officials.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 04/15/11 07:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You’re correct. It’s a business and it makes money but they put the game and the girls first and foremost. They teach good sportsmanship, team spirit and the rules of the game. Unlike some who promote aggressive behavior and win at all cost disregarding the rules and the officials.


Well, lets see how good their teams do this summer, against the "other clubs"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 04/15/11 08:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You’re correct. It’s a business and it makes money but they put the game and the girls first and foremost. They teach good sportsmanship, team spirit and the rules of the game. Unlike some who promote aggressive behavior and win at all cost disregarding the rules and the officials.


Well, lets see how good their teams do this summer, against the "other clubs"


Yes, Nice chatting good luck and hope you have a good season.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 04/18/11 02:51 PM
I am glad you are having a good experience. As long as your child is happy that is the most important thing. As far as your comment about Top Gun being the champions of sportsmanship, that is a joke! I have seen many top gun games where the kids and parents were out of control! I have also seen aggressive play from "other" clubs. So what? Play were you want. I don't understand why people need to "bash" other clubs. If your happy, be happy. Competition is good!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 04/21/11 09:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The best thing about the Top Guns it is a family organization that puts the girls first. It's NOT take the money and make as many teams needed like some of the other larger ones.

Yeh! The father of this family is nuts, and his kid went thru the YJ program!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/04/11 09:10 PM
I believe the quote was “They teach good sportsmanship, team spirit and the rules of the game” nothing about the “Top Gun being the champions of sportsmanship” Get it straight. I have seen plenty of games as well and the coaching staff teaches the rules and how to play as a team. They DO NOT to promote an aggressive behavior on the field, like some other well-known “yellow” teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/04/11 11:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I believe the quote was “They teach good sportsmanship, team spirit and the rules of the game” nothing about the “Top Gun being the champions of sportsmanship” Get it straight. I have seen plenty of games as well and the coaching staff teaches the rules and how to play as a team. They DO NOT to promote an aggressive behavior on the field, like some other well-known “yellow” teams.

What a joke!!!!!! If that is the case, the Top Gun girls don't listen very well. They are probably too busy listening to their out of control aggressive parents!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/05/11 12:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I believe the quote was “They teach good sportsmanship, team spirit and the rules of the game” nothing about the “Top Gun being the champions of sportsmanship” Get it straight. I have seen plenty of games as well and the coaching staff teaches the rules and how to play as a team. They DO NOT to promote an aggressive behavior on the field, like some other well-known “yellow” teams.

What a joke!!!!!! If that is the case, the Top Gun girls don't listen very well. They are probably too busy listening to their out of control aggressive parents!
It seems that you’re the joke. I have been explaining that the girls on the Top Guns are well coached. It seems the only aggressive one in this conversation is you. This is typical of a self-centered, self-severing person such as yourself.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/05/11 12:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The best thing about the Top Guns it is a family organization that puts the girls first. It's NOT take the money and make as many teams needed like some of the other larger ones.

Yeh! The father of this family is nuts, and his kid went thru the YJ program!
And that's what made them realized what a bad program the YJ have. YJ is about the money and not the girls.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/05/11 06:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The best thing about the Top Guns it is a family organization that puts the girls first. It's NOT take the money and make as many teams needed like some of the other larger ones.

Yeh! The father of this family is nuts, and his kid went thru the YJ program!
And that's what made them realized what a bad program the YJ have. YJ is about the money and not the girls.


No the Top Gun founders saw how much money other clubs were making and decided to get a piece of the action. Lets get real here.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/06/11 01:28 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The best thing about the Top Guns it is a family organization that puts the girls first. It's NOT take the money and make as many teams needed like some of the other larger ones.

Yeh! The father of this family is nuts, and his kid went thru the YJ program!
And that's what made them realized what a bad program the YJ have. YJ is about the money and not the girls.


No the Top Gun founders saw how much money other clubs were making and decided to get a piece of the action. Lets get real here.
I guess? who is the founder?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/16/11 04:58 PM
Anyone reading this thread can clearly see the animosity toward the Top Guns. Not on either side here just saying. No worries...why don't you save the nasty and personal comments for your own home and let the girls play. Many of them are friends no matter what travel jersey they wear. Maybe the parents should follow their lead.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/16/11 05:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone reading this thread can clearly see the animosity toward the Top Guns. Not on either side here just saying. No worries...why don't you save the nasty and personal comments for your own home and let the girls play. Many of them are friends no matter what travel jersey they wear. Maybe the parents should follow their lead.
BOTC Industries can say that we have absolutely been trying to get in touch with the Top Guns program as this seems to be a very viable option for some of the girls youth lacrosse players on Long Island. Unfortunately, BOTC's phone calls and e-mails have to date gone unanswered. Perhaps you can alert the Top Guns to the fact that BOTC has been reaching out to them for more information about their program?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/18/11 06:03 PM
All the coaches are too busy getting ready to compete in the NCAA quarterfinals. I guess "Dad" doesn't want to answer your questions.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/18/11 08:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All the coaches are too busy getting ready to compete in the NCAA quarterfinals. I guess "Dad" doesn't want to answer your questions.
Must be some GREAT COACHING STAFF, No wonder why the Top Guns rule on the Lacrosse field. Remember keep it clean and fair.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/18/11 09:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All the coaches are too busy getting ready to compete in the NCAA quarterfinals. I guess "Dad" doesn't want to answer your questions.
Must be some GREAT COACHING STAFF, No wonder why the Top Guns rule on the Lacrosse field. Remember keep it clean and fair.


Don't worry they do it for the "love" not for any money
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/18/11 11:26 PM
Yeah, and they all came up through the Yellow Jackets program. They learned from the best!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/19/11 12:11 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yeah, and they all came up through the Yellow Jackets program. They learned from the best!!


Problem is only the 9th grade team is any good and they have to use players from out of state. We played against the 10th grade team last summer and they didn't do anything. The 8th grade team has a handful of good players only. The lower grades 7th, 6th and 5th grade teams are weak and will have a hard time at tournaments this summer. Just don't have solid coaching.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/19/11 12:23 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All the coaches are too busy getting ready to compete in the NCAA quarterfinals. I guess "Dad" doesn't want to answer your questions.
Must be some GREAT COACHING STAFF, No wonder why the Top Guns rule on the Lacrosse field. Remember keep it clean and fair.


Don't worry they do it for the "love" not for any money
It's all about the love.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/19/11 12:35 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yeah, and they all came up through the Yellow Jackets program. They learned from the best!!
Then why are they not coaching for the Yellow Jackets? They must have realized there was a better way to play then having a Hockey style attitude. I enjoy watching the skills the girls have with their sticks, I don’t want to see a glove off broil, pushing and shoving like some of you want to see. Yeah go Yellow Jacket.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/19/11 12:44 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yeah, and they all came up through the Yellow Jackets program. They learned from the best!!
Then why are they not coaching for the Yellow Jackets? They must have realized there was a better way to play then having a Hockey style attitude. I enjoy watching the skills the girls have with their sticks, I don’t want to see a glove off broil, pushing and shoving like some of you want to see. Yeah go Yellow Jacket.


Why? For the money $. Why coach for the organization that helped you to be great players when you can go off on your own and make $$. Pretty simple really. And what exactly is a " glove off broil"?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/19/11 12:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yeah, and they all came up through the Yellow Jackets program. They learned from the best!!
Then why are they not coaching for the Yellow Jackets? They must have realized there was a better way to play then having a Hockey style attitude. I enjoy watching the skills the girls have with their sticks, I don’t want to see a glove off broil, pushing and shoving like some of you want to see. Yeah go Yellow Jacket.


Why? For the money $. Why coach for the organization that helped you to be great players when you can go off on your own and make $$. Pretty simple really. And what exactly is a " glove off broil"?


At least you admitted that the coaching staffs for the TOP GUNS are great players, Smartest thing you blogged period.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/20/11 02:08 AM
Zero correlation between great players making great or even good coaches!! They are too young and are not educators!!
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/20/11 02:21 AM
Earlier this afternoon, Thursday, BOTC Industries spent about thirty minutes speaking with Bill Smith regarding every aspect of the Long Island Top Guns program from their mission, to their team composition and their coaching philosophy.

That discussion satisfied us that the camps being offered this summer through the Top Guns program will offer an appropriate environment for young ladies seeking to work on their lacrosse skills.

BOTC has posted the Top Guns' July and August camp information on the Showcases and Tournaments page as of this evening.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/20/11 11:32 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zero correlation between great players making great or even good coaches!! They are too young and are not educators!!

You are 100% right! Not to mention it is very hard to find a 21 year old who will be as committed to the team as you want them to be. It takes years to transition from great player to great coach. There are so many other aspects to coaching other than lax ability! I think the college kids are great for 1 on 1 skill training.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/21/11 11:06 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zero correlation between great players making great or even good coaches!! They are too young and are not educators!!

You are 100% right! Not to mention it is very hard to find a 21 year old who will be as committed to the team as you want them to be. It takes years to transition from great player to great coach. There are so many other aspects to coaching other than lax ability! I think the college kids are great for 1 on 1 skill training.


My daughter is a Yellow Jacket and looking forward to trying out for Top Gun. Not because Yellow Jackets have bad coaches we actually think our coaches are really great. In end the organization leaders do not respect parents and player....except those on blue. Lower teams get the short end of the stick. They pay the same price but at tryout time they are sepereated from the "blue" team...they attend less tournaments and they know after a couple years, they are never moving up, even if they deserve to. Great for the girls who are on blue, other than that find another organization.
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/21/11 03:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zero correlation between great players making great or even good coaches!! They are too young and are not educators!!

You are 100% right! Not to mention it is very hard to find a 21 year old who will be as committed to the team as you want them to be. It takes years to transition from great player to great coach. There are so many other aspects to coaching other than lax ability! I think the college kids are great for 1 on 1 skill training.


My daughter is a Yellow Jacket and looking forward to trying out for Top Gun. Not because Yellow Jackets have bad coaches we actually think our coaches are really great. In end the organization leaders do not respect parents and player....except those on blue. Lower teams get the short end of the stick. They pay the same price but at tryout time they are sepereated from the "blue" team...they attend less tournaments and they know after a couple years, they are never moving up, even if they deserve to. Great for the girls who are on blue, other than that find another organization.


That is exactly what I've heard about YJ, and from Blue parents. My daughter tried out one year and the tryout went as you described: Blue girls were separated out from the rest at tryouts. Why do the Blues even go to tryouts if it's a given? I think YJ produces some strong players, but I don't care for how the program is run, at all.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/21/11 06:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zero correlation between great players making great or even good coaches!! They are too young and are not educators!!

You are 100% right! Not to mention it is very hard to find a 21 year old who will be as committed to the team as you want them to be. It takes years to transition from great player to great coach. There are so many other aspects to coaching other than lax ability! I think the college kids are great for 1 on 1 skill training.


My daughter is a Yellow Jacket and looking forward to trying out for Top Gun. Not because Yellow Jackets have bad coaches we actually think our coaches are really
great. In end the organization leaders do not respect parents and player....except those
on blue. Lower teams get the short end of the stick. They pay the same price but at
tryout time they are sepereated from the "blue" team...they attend less tournaments and
they know after a couple years, they are never moving up, even if they deserve to.
Great for the girls who are on blue, other than that find another organization.


Yellow players do come up to blue team. And blue plays can drop down to yellow. So what if your kid make the second or third top gun team? Then what?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/21/11 10:23 PM
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zero correlation between great players making great or even good coaches!! They are too young and are not educators!!

You are 100% right! Not to mention it is very hard to find a 21 year old who will be as committed to the team as you want them to be. It takes years to transition from great player to great coach. There are so many other aspects to coaching other than lax ability! I think the college kids are great for 1 on 1 skill training.


My daughter is a Yellow Jacket and looking forward to trying out for Top Gun. Not because Yellow Jackets have bad coaches we actually think our coaches are really great. In end the organization leaders do not respect parents and player....except those on blue. Lower teams get the short end of the stick. They pay the same price but at tryout time they are sepereated from the "blue" team...they attend less tournaments and they know after a couple years, they are never moving up, even if they deserve to. Great for the girls who are on blue, other than that find another organization.


That is exactly what I've heard about YJ, and from Blue parents. My daughter tried out one year and the tryout went as you described: Blue girls were separated out from the rest at tryouts. Why do the Blues even go to tryouts if it's a given? I think YJ produces some strong players, but I don't care for how the program is run, at all.

My daughter started on a lower YJ team and moved up and has been a blue for a few years. Every year between 3 and % players have moved up or down. I think they are more than willing to move girls who deserve it. Some players don't want to move up. They like their coaches and team mates and request not to be moved. That is fine, all that is important is that your daughter is happy and being coached well. You said you like your coach, i wouldn't leave for the "greener grass"!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/23/11 02:04 AM
My daughter is on the blue team, sadly some clicky girls make it uncomfortable for those out of town, and they don't "gel". Traveling out east is another pain in the butt, and since Top Guns will be centrally located with an amazing coaching staff she will try out for the 2017 team. I like what I have heard, and my kid is young enough to give it a try for a year.

Having played in college I also do not respect the fact that Yellow jackets have the most fouls in every tournament. Takes away from the integrity of the game without teaching respect.

Just my 2 cents...good luck to all the girls, be safe and have fun!

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/23/11 12:25 PM
I could not agree more. It seems the only reason why we had such a drastic rule change on the yellow cards and major fowls is because of the coaching and training of the Yellow Jackets. It’s funny that a lot of the Yellow Jackets parents joked about that fact. It seems that the intimidation factor is losing its grip and we’re getting to see some really good players from other organization like “91 Lacrosse” and “Top Guns” you don’t have to wear an YJ jersey to be good or excellent.

It’s funny when other clubs from out of state come up to you and say,” You’re not like the Yellow Jackets. Win or lose we play you any time” means volumes.

Keep going Yellow Jackets you’re doing it to yourselves.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/23/11 02:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I could not agree more. It seems the only reason why we had such a drastic rule change on the yellow cards and major fowls is because of the coaching and training of the Yellow Jackets. It’s funny that a lot of the Yellow Jackets parents joked about that fact. It seems that the intimidation factor is losing its grip and we’re getting to see some really good players from other organization like “91 Lacrosse” and “Top Guns” you don’t have to wear an YJ jersey to be good or excellent.

It’s funny when other clubs from out of state come up to you and say,” You’re not like the Yellow Jackets. Win or lose we play you any time” means volumes.

Keep going Yellow Jackets you’re doing it to yourselves.

Uh huh, and look at how many teams the yellow jackets have in each grade level. 91 lacrosse will eventually phase out of girls because it is basically a boys club. Top gun has only one grade level in most of their age groups. Go play for either team. The Yellow Jackets don't need to beg you to come to their tryouts. At my daughter's tryout there were over 100 girls.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/23/11 07:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I could not agree more. It seems the only reason why we had such a drastic rule change on the yellow cards and major fowls is because of the coaching and training of the Yellow Jackets. It’s funny that a lot of the Yellow Jackets parents joked about that fact. It seems that the intimidation factor is losing its grip and we’re getting to see some really good players from other organization like “91 Lacrosse” and “Top Guns” you don’t have to wear an YJ jersey to be good or excellent.

It’s funny when other clubs from out of state come up to you and say,” You’re not like the Yellow Jackets. Win or lose we play you any time” means volumes.

Keep going Yellow Jackets you’re doing it to yourselves.

Uh huh, and look at how many teams the yellow jackets have in each grade level. 91 lacrosse will eventually phase out of girls because it is basically a boys club. Top gun has only one grade level in most of their age groups. Go play for either team. The Yellow Jackets don't need to beg you to come to their tryouts. At my daughter's tryout there were over 100 girls.


And I bet you every one of those girls who tried out made a team. Your daughter will be over looked or lost for
favoritism. Like it was said before take the money and made as many teams as possible
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/23/11 08:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I could not agree more. It seems the only reason why we had such a drastic rule change on the yellow cards and major fowls is because of the coaching and training of the Yellow Jackets. It’s funny that a lot of the Yellow Jackets parents joked about that fact. It seems that the intimidation factor is losing its grip and we’re getting to see some really good players from other organization like “91 Lacrosse” and “Top Guns” you don’t have to wear an YJ jersey to be good or excellent.

It’s funny when other clubs from out of state come up to you and say,” You’re not like the Yellow Jackets. Win or lose we play you any time” means volumes.

Keep going Yellow Jackets you’re doing it to yourselves.

Uh huh, and look at how many teams the yellow jackets have in each grade level. 91 lacrosse will eventually phase out of girls because it is basically a boys club. Top gun has only one grade level in most of their age groups. Go play for either team. The Yellow Jackets don't need to beg you to come to their tryouts. At my daughter's tryout there were over 100 girls.


And I bet you every one of those girls who tried out made a team. Your daughter will be over looked or lost for
favoritism. Like it was said before take the money and made as many teams as possible

Do you think there is a handbook for all the YJ coaches to follow that say's "All YJ's must foul more than the teams they play" ? Every coach and every team is different. If you are happy with the YJ's, then stay. If you are not, then leave. If they have 4 teams at most divisions and those people are willing to pay for the club than there HAS to be more people than not who are happy with the end product! The constant YJ bashing is getting old. There happens to be a lot of great players who have played there and that are still in the program. No it doesn't mean that there can't be a great player in another organization (that is crazy). The one thing you can't argue with is the track record of team and individual success that the YJ's have. The list of championships and college placements are unparralleled. I am sure some of those people used the recruiting service and many didn't. It is your choice! No one forces you to! Most of the top girls don't need it. But if someone wants to use it, it is their money! what do you care! Some kids are not as sought after as others and more leg work needs to be done to get them in a school that fits their needs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/23/11 09:15 PM
WOW, keep your dandruff down. The only thing that’s getting old is the Yellow Jacket Organization. May be it’s a wakeup call for them and on how they draw out an unwanted aggressive behavior out of there members. It seems that there are a lot of unhappy players and family members and if given a chance they would go to another club but the question is where? Until now there was no place to go. Watch I think you will see more and more girls and their families looking elsewhere.

PS. The only Crazy talk is you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/23/11 11:54 PM
Sorry no wake up call as a college coach I am looking for the aggressive style of play. Someone who can go to battle for every ground ball and draw.. Love those yellow jackets and their style of play!!
Keep up the good work!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/24/11 11:49 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I could not agree more. It seems the only reason why we had such a drastic rule change on the yellow cards and major fowls is because of the coaching and training of the Yellow Jackets. It’s funny that a lot of the Yellow Jackets parents joked about that fact. It seems that the intimidation factor is losing its grip and we’re getting to see some really good players from other organization like “91 Lacrosse” and “Top Guns” you don’t have to wear an YJ jersey to be good or excellent.

It’s funny when other clubs from out of state come up to you and say,” You’re not like the Yellow Jackets. Win or lose we play you any time” means volumes.

Keep going Yellow Jackets you’re doing it to yourselves.

Uh huh, and look at how many teams the yellow jackets have in each grade level. 91 lacrosse will eventually phase out of girls because it is basically a boys club. Top gun has only one grade level in most of their age groups. Go play for either team. The Yellow Jackets don't need to beg you to come to their tryouts. At my daughter's tryout there were over 100 girls.

I would like to add one point to this discussion. It’s Quality not Quantity that matters.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/24/11 12:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I could not agree more. It seems the only reason why we had such a drastic rule change on the yellow cards and major fowls is because of the coaching and training of the Yellow Jackets. It’s funny that a lot of the Yellow Jackets parents joked about that fact. It seems that the intimidation factor is losing its grip and we’re getting to see some really good players from other organization like “91 Lacrosse” and “Top Guns” you don’t have to wear an YJ jersey to be good or excellent.

It’s funny when other clubs from out of state come up to you and say,” You’re not like the Yellow Jackets. Win or lose we play you any time” means volumes.

Keep going Yellow Jackets you’re doing it to yourselves.

Uh huh, and look at how many teams the yellow jackets have in each grade level. 91 lacrosse will eventually phase out of girls because it is basically a boys club. Top gun has only one grade level in most of their age groups. Go play for either team. The Yellow Jackets don't need to beg you to come to their tryouts. At my daughter's tryout there were over 100 girls.

I would like to add one point to this discussion. It’s Quality not Quantity that matters.

Are you saying that the YJ's don't have quality teams? That is absurd! So what if there are 4 teams in an age group! Should the kids who love the game and want to play be denied that chance because they are new to the game or not as talented? Some kids need more time to develop. I think that is one of the best aspects of the YJ's. Kids from the same town , who are at different levels can still travel together and root each other on while they can play at the appropriate competition level.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/24/11 02:35 PM
Some observations on the discussion over the last several days.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I could not agree more. It seems the only reason why we had such a drastic rule change on the yellow cards and major fowls is because of the coaching and training of the Yellow Jackets. It’s funny that a lot of the Yellow Jackets parents joked about that fact.
Changes in the rules were not made in response to anything the Yellow Jackets (or any single franchise) might be doing on the field. In a game where contact is part of the game play environment (soccer, lacrosse, basketball on the girl's side to name three), better teams will occasionally be called more tightly as they will tend to run over softer squads. One reason for this is that the team itself can be used to playing at a more physical level in other events. Now, good game play and increasing ability can counter some of this fouling, however no team regardless of sport is actually stepping onto the field with the goal of a high foul count.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It seems that the intimidation factor is losing its grip and we’re getting to see some really good players from other organization like “91 Lacrosse” and “Top Guns” you don’t have to wear an YJ jersey to be good or excellent.
Absolutely true - what you are highlighting is that choice is being created which the market seems to be demanding. Overall the number of girls looking to play lacrosse is increasing dramatically which is creating the additional demand for premier level coaching, training and game play experiences.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
...look at how many teams the yellow jackets have in each grade level. 91 lacrosse will eventually phase out of girls because it is basically a boys club. Top gun has only one grade level in most of their age groups. Go play for either team. The Yellow Jackets don't need to beg you to come to their tryouts. At my daughter's tryout there were over 100 girls.
The number of teams per age group is as expected. The Yellow Jackets (and other classic competitors like the Liberty) have been longer established; hence, they get the lionshare of players. Meanwhile, new players onto the scene, like Top Guns, will help to push the envelope for consumers and players alike. Longer term, expect more teams to emerge at this top level of play. This trend was seen in girl's soccer on Long Island over the last decade and we are now seeing the early stages of the same here in lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 05/24/11 10:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I could not agree more. It seems the only reason why we had such a drastic rule change on the yellow cards and major fowls is because of the coaching and training of the Yellow Jackets. It’s funny that a lot of the Yellow Jackets parents joked about that fact. It seems that the intimidation factor is losing its grip and we’re getting to see some really good players from other organization like “91 Lacrosse” and “Top Guns” you don’t have to wear an YJ jersey to be good or excellent.

It’s funny when other clubs from out of state come up to you and say,” You’re not like the Yellow Jackets. Win or lose we play you any time” means volumes.

Keep going Yellow Jackets you’re doing it to yourselves.

Uh huh, and look at how many teams the yellow jackets have in each grade level. 91 lacrosse will eventually phase out of girls because it is basically a boys club. Top gun has only one grade level in most of their age groups. Go play for either team. The Yellow Jackets don't need to beg you to come to their tryouts. At my daughter's tryout there were over 100 girls.

I would like to add one point to this discussion. It’s Quality not Quantity that matters.

Are you saying that the YJ's don't have quality teams? That is absurd! So what if there are 4 teams in an age group! Should the kids who love the game and want to play be denied that chance because they are new to the game or not as talented? Some kids need more time to develop. I think that is one of the best aspects of the YJ's. Kids from the same town , who are at different levels can still travel together and root each other on while they can play at the appropriate competition level.


Not all teams are competative. My kid plays on a team that has a goalie so bad they might as well play with none. The team will not be competative this summer, just a big waste of time for the girls and parents. A money maker for the Yellow jackets. if the organization cared they would make every team competative.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/05/11 02:58 AM
Just piping in as a parent of a player(s) here. I have three very athletic kids who are all very involved in several sports. All three play lax (2 daughters). It's crazy all the politics that go along with which kids are getting on which team, with what coach etc... The yellow jackets are a great club and produce great players. Top Guns are a brand new club, and will undoubtable produce very competitive teams and players. I'm not trying to sell other LI clubs short here, I'm just saying I have seen many other LI clubs struggle for years and years to attract the high level players needed to be competitive. I will have to say for whatever reason, Top Guns have seemed to be able to step in this competitive market and instantly draw intrest from extremely talented players as an alternative to YJ's. I went to the NCAA finals last weekend and watched basically what amounts to the Top Gun coaching core win the division I National Championship, women's lacrosse at it's very highest level. There was a massive group and family atmosphere of Top Gun support there. The feeling and energy of being a part of the Top Gun organization was just electric. If your a parent of a YJ girl, rest assurred your in good hands with a club that can develope her into a great player. Competition is good, and it's about time YJ had some. Bottom line- I'm quite happy with my daughters playing for Top-Guns and am quite confident this club will quickly be very nationally competitive across the board.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/05/11 04:56 AM
Electric college lax is great but the players
Are not around enough to truly care and practice with the team. My daughter is on a top gun team and waiting for the college players to finish there season is ridiculous!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/06/11 11:32 AM
Well then maybe Top Guns isn't for you. And didn't you know that when you signed up that the coaches where away? Seems to me you didn't do your hw! My girls are on Top Guns and get great instruction from all the coaches!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/06/11 08:22 PM
Please remember, that even you the Parents are members of the Top Guns team and we need to be supportive of all to Win.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/06/11 11:14 PM
You get what you pay for....if you want real coaching got to YJ
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/07/11 12:50 AM
??????????? thats your crazy opinion which is why you belong on YJ thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/07/11 01:57 PM
I think good competition for the YJ's would be a good thing. Problem with the other "major" clubs on LI isn't that the coaching is bad or anything else; it's that they are more confined to smaller regions of LI. Long Island Express, Liberty, and Top Guns focus more on a few towns rather than the whole island. That doesn't effect the coaching but by the laws of statistics means that YJ's "A" team is going to almost always be better than that of any other of the LI clubs. If your child has friends in the club and it works for them and you, then have fun. This is America and strong competition lifts up everybody. Good luck to everyone this summer and lets hope it's a safe one.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/07/11 05:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You get what you pay for....if you want real coaching got to YJ
You must like throwing your money away. The coaches on the Yellow Jackets are the fathers of the players. All they know is Boys Lacrosse. I guess that's why there girl are so wild with their sticks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/07/11 07:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You get what you pay for....if you want real coaching got to YJ
You must like throwing your money away. The coaches on the Yellow Jackets are the fathers of the players. All they know is Boys Lacrosse. I guess that's why there girl are so wild with their sticks.

Are you refferring to guys like Defilese,Mitchell and Carro? If so, I will take my chances with those "boys" coaches. Three of the best in the business!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/07/11 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You get what you pay for....if you want real coaching got to YJ
You must like throwing your money away. The coaches on the Yellow Jackets are the fathers of the players. All they know is Boys Lacrosse. I guess that's why there girl are so wild with their sticks.

Are you refferring to guys like Defilese,Mitchell and Carro? If so, I will take my chances with those "boys" coaches. Three of the best in the business!!
Blood is thicker than water. They’re only doing it for their daughters and no one else. If you’ve been reading this blog we have been talking about favoritism and how much one has to pay to have their daughter be recognized in the YJ organization. If that’s what you want than by all means stay with the Yellow Jackets.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/07/11 09:41 PM
I agree Fathers should not be able to coach their own kids!
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/07/11 10:48 PM
Or mothers. My daughter was on a team last year. The coach was great, but she brought along her daughter who was not one, but two, years younger than the rest of the team. Her daughter started, her daughter tried to direct the field, goal-hung, ugh. The daughter is a good player -- in her own age group. Not two years up. I know of one really good player who left the organization because of this, and I was making sure I didn't encounter the same situation this year myself. Loved the coach, didn't care for her baggage.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/07/11 10:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You get what you pay for....if you want real coaching got to YJ
You must like throwing your money away. The coaches on the Yellow Jackets are the fathers of the players. All they know is Boys Lacrosse. I guess that's why there girl are so wild with their sticks.

Are you refferring to guys like Defilese,Mitchell and Carro? If so, I will take my chances with those "boys" coaches. Three of the best in the business!!
Blood is thicker than water. They’re only doing it for their daughters and no one else. If you’ve been reading this blog we have been talking about favoritism and how much one has to pay to have their daughter be recognized in the YJ organization. If that’s what you want than by all means stay with the Yellow Jackets.


there are girls teams coached by dads too, some with no real coaching experience and no business being there
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/08/11 03:10 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You get what you pay for....if you want real coaching got to YJ
You must like throwing your money away. The coaches on the Yellow Jackets are the fathers of the players. All they know is Boys Lacrosse. I guess that's why there girl are so wild with their sticks.

Are you refferring to guys like Defilese,Mitchell and Carro? If so, I will take my chances with those "boys" coaches. Three of the best in the business!!
Blood is thicker than water. They’re only doing it for their daughters and no one else. If you’ve been reading this blog we have been talking about favoritism and how much one has to pay to have their daughter be recognized in the YJ organization. If that’s what you want than by all means stay with the Yellow Jackets.

I am sure if you asked any of the parents who are actually being coached by these guys their opinion, you would get nothing but raves. So if they are there"only for their daughters" and my daughter gets the benefit of great coaching and extra practices, i am more than fine with that!I don't know why people feel the need to be negative and make assumptions about people they don't know. It is sad. If you like your organization then God bless you. There is no need to put down a coach just because he has a daughter on the team and proclaim that these guys teach the kids to "swing their sticks". It couldn't be further from the truth and anyone would be lucky to have these guys. Take some time and ask the kids and parents from those teams with the coaches who only know "the boys" game!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/08/11 11:43 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You get what you pay for....if you want real coaching got to YJ
You must like throwing your money away. The coaches on the Yellow Jackets are the fathers of the players. All they know is Boys Lacrosse. I guess that's why there girl are so wild with their sticks.

Are you refferring to guys like Defilese,Mitchell and Carro? If so, I will take my chances with those "boys" coaches. Three of the best in the business!!
Must be the reason why Newsday just did a big article about helmets for the girls, Lack of stick control.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/08/11 11:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You get what you pay for....if you want real coaching got to YJ
You must like throwing your money away. The coaches on the Yellow Jackets are the fathers of the players. All they know is Boys Lacrosse. I guess that's why there girl are so wild with their sticks.

Are you refferring to guys like Defilese,Mitchell and Carro? If so, I will take my chances with those "boys" coaches. Three of the best in the business!!
Must be the reason why Newsday just did a big article about helmets for the girls, Lack of stick control.

Yes I read it, but I didn't read anything about the "boys" Yellow Jacket promoting stick swinging!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/08/11 12:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You get what you pay for....if you want real coaching got to YJ
You must like throwing your money away. The coaches on the Yellow Jackets are the fathers of the players. All they know is Boys Lacrosse. I guess that's why there girl are so wild with their sticks.

Are you refferring to guys like Defilese,Mitchell and Carro? If so, I will take my chances with those "boys" coaches. Three of the best in the business!!
Must be the reason why Newsday just did a big article about helmets for the girls, Lack of stick control.

Yes I read it, but I didn't read anything about the "boys" Yellow Jacket promoting stick swinging!
I think the point trying to be said is that if a girls’ team is coached by men that played Men’s Lacrosse, there skills and trait would be leaned by the girls, i.e. stick slapping and going to the cage regardless of obstruction. The point is that these coaches never played the sport they are coaching and will never understand the differences. That’s why there is such a big push for helmets which I believe do not belong in girl’s lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/09/11 02:56 PM
To add to this point, this is why I think and a few HS coaches for girls’ lacrosse that I have talk to over the past two years feel it’s not a helmet issue. It’s the stick skills of the girls they need to improve. When the girls get to HS they need to be re-trained. Their coaches in the youth organization really don’t know the rules or skills of the game. I’m not talking about the coaches from the clubs but I do think that’s why there is the appeal towards the Top Guns and there coaches. These girls play the game and know the rules.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/10/11 03:16 PM
Not really. It is not appealing to have lazy college
Kids with no sense of responsibility running a team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/10/11 04:14 PM
don't have a child in either of the two programs being discussed here , but will say that daughter did attend a top guns camp and the girls in question were anything but lazy. In fact all the college girls were super.daughter learned many new techniques and the girls did not stop training all day. So might be a bit unfair to call these girls lazy.
Posted By: mcyouthlax Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/13/11 01:14 AM
Not too many "lazy college kids with no sense of responsibility" that I know of who have won several National Championships, the Tewaaraton and Honda Award.
Posted By: lax247 Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/13/11 02:00 AM
YJ's are in a catch22 here. They can take credit for having helped these lazy college kids aspire as the most successful girl's lacrosse players to ever come off of Long Island. But in doing so they are also admitting that another club has special talent, and that's not good for business. All of you who are bashing these girls should be ashamed of yourselves. Grow up, wish them luck and move on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/13/11 02:36 AM
Originally Posted by lax247
YJ's are in a catch22 here. They can take credit for having helped these lazy college kids aspire as the most successful girl's lacrosse players to ever come off of Long Island. But in doing so they are also admitting that another club has special talent, and that's not good for business. All of you who are bashing these girls should be ashamed of yourselves. Grow up, wish them luck and move on.


Again, the best way to put the matter to rest is by winning. Lets see how the top gun teams do this summer as compared to YJ or Express or 91 Lacrosse. If they win a championship at every event they can shut everyone up
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/13/11 11:21 AM
Well here some proof most of the Top Gun teams won at the All American Showcase. Can't knock success
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/13/11 11:32 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well here some proof most of the Top Gun teams won at the All American Showcase. Can't knock success

Calling them lazy is rediculous. These girls didn't become great players by being lazy! The biggest issue with having college players as the primary coaches the way Top Gun does is AVAILABILITY. They can't be coaching the team until June, While most of the top YJ teams are practicing all winter and spring as a team. I also think even though the giirls are great players and can teach much of the skill portion, they probably have much to learn about game coaching. It takes a lot of experience to be an all around great coach. Either way good luck to all the girls, no matter what club they play for.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/13/11 12:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well here some proof most of the Top Gun teams won at the All American Showcase. Can't knock success


I believe the 9th grade team lost in the semi finals
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/13/11 12:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well here some proof most of the Top Gun teams won at the All American Showcase. Can't knock success


I believe the 9th grade team lost in the semi finals


Guess they have to get some more out of state players for their team
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/13/11 12:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well here some proof most of the Top Gun teams won at the All American Showcase. Can't knock success
I believe the 9th grade team lost in the semi finals
Overall results for the Top Guns at the All American Showcase.

The 2013 Black went 1W-2L-0T in group play in the SR-A Open Elite bracket.

The 2014 Black went 3W-0L-0T in the SR-B Elite group and lost in the semifinals 13-4.

The 2014 Purple team was 3W-0L-0T in the SR-B Platinum grouping and lost the final match 9-3.

The 2015 Black was 3W-0L-0T in the SR-B Select group winning the semifinal 9-3 and the finals 9-7.

The 2016 team won their three group play games (18-3, 12-8, 13-9) and then lost in the semifinals to BBL Elite Widcats (10-1).

The 2017 Black went 2W-0L-1T in group play in the MS Elite group. This group won their semifinal match and appear to have lost in the finals.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/13/11 12:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well here some proof most of the Top Gun teams won at the All American Showcase. Can't knock success


I believe the 9th grade team lost in the semi finals


Guess they have to get some more out of state players for their team


Watching several games at the All American Showcase I was impressed on how well the girls for the Top Guns played as a team. Sure there were one or two girls that stood out but they did not rely on them to win. It was a team effort that won. All the girls on the Top Guns teams had equal skills and could play the game. No, their coaches are not “Lazy” This pasted weekend shows there is some valor to the Top Guns Organization and the person who blog that statement should retract it. It was notIntelligent on his/her part to print that. As far as the availability of the coaches I don’t think any of the parents or players seem to mind. They all know that an education come first and there was always a qualified coach in the winter and early spring.

Now for the 9th grade team statement, the Top Guns have two 9th grade 2015 teams and one of them won the championship. Your statement shows the immaturity you bring to the game. Grow up it seems your kids are more mature than you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/13/11 01:05 PM
also missing from the results list was the 2018 team who were playing up and won thier division.
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/13/11 01:09 PM
2015 = 8th grade.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/13/11 01:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well here some proof most of the Top Gun teams won at the All American Showcase. Can't knock success


I believe the 9th grade team lost in the semi finals


Guess they have to get some more out of state players for their team

only 2 out of how many teams like 8 won....

Watching several games at the All American Showcase I was impressed on how well the girls for the Top Guns played as a team. Sure there were one or two girls that stood out but they did not rely on them to win. It was a team effort that won. All the girls on the Top Guns teams had equal skills and could play the game. No, their coaches are not “Lazy” This pasted weekend shows there is some valor to the Top Guns Organization and the person who blog that statement should retract it. It was notIntelligent on his/her part to print that. As far as the availability of the coaches I don’t think any of the parents or players seem to mind. They all know that an education come first and there was always a qualified coach in the winter and early spring.

Now for the 9th grade team statement, the Top Guns have two 9th grade 2015 teams and one of them won the championship. Your statement shows the immaturity you bring to the game. Grow up it seems your kids are more mature than you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/13/11 02:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
also missing from the results list was the 2018 team who were playing up and won thier division.


I also think the 2016 won their division. If you go to the All American Showcase web site they have the game numbers wrong in the Girls MS Champions. I think the Top Guns won via Brave Hart. Does anyone know for sure?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/13/11 02:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well here some proof most of the Top Gun teams won at the All American Showcase. Can't knock success


I believe the 9th grade team lost in the semi finals


Guess they have to get some more out of state players for their team

only 2 out of how many teams like 8 won....

Watching several games at the All American Showcase I was impressed on how well the girls for the Top Guns played as a team. Sure there were one or two girls that stood out but they did not rely on them to win. It was a team effort that won. All the girls on the Top Guns teams had equal skills and could play the game. No, their coaches are not “Lazy” This pasted weekend shows there is some valor to the Top Guns Organization and the person who blog that statement should retract it. It was notIntelligent on his/her part to print that. As far as the availability of the coaches I don’t think any of the parents or players seem to mind. They all know that an education come first and there was always a qualified coach in the winter and early spring.

Now for the 9th grade team statement, the Top Guns have two 9th grade 2015 teams and one of them won the championship. Your statement shows the immaturity you bring to the game. Grow up it seems your kids are more mature than you.


So thats like 4 out 8 teams not bad.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/13/11 02:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well here some proof most of the Top Gun teams won at the All American Showcase. Can't knock success


I believe the 9th grade team lost in the semi finals


Guess they have to get some more out of state players for their team

only 2 out of how many teams like 8 won..

Watching several games at the All American Showcase I was impressed on how well the girls for the Top Guns played as a team. Sure there were one or two girls that stood out but they did not rely on them to win. It was a team effort that won. All the girls on the Top Guns teams had equal skills and could play the game. No, their coaches are not “Lazy” This pasted weekend shows there is some valor to the Top Guns Organization and the person who blog that statement should retract it. It was notIntelligent on his/her part to print that. As far as the availability of the coaches I don’t think any of the parents or players seem to mind. They all know that an education come first and there was always a qualified coach in the winter and early spring.

Now for the 9th grade team statement, the Top Guns have two 9th grade 2015 teams and one of them won the championship. Your statement shows the immaturity you bring to the game. Grow up it seems your kids are more mature than you.


So thats like 4 out 8 teams not bad.


No, 2 out of 7 won
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/13/11 02:41 PM
The 2016 team did not lose my daughter is on the team and is wearing a gold medal
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/13/11 02:44 PM
2015 are graduating 8 th graders going into 9 th do the math
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/13/11 02:46 PM
Yes they on via braveheart in an awesome game 2016 website had info wrong
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/13/11 03:14 PM
So if 2018, 2016 and 2015 won that's 3 out of 7 not bad. What about the 2017,2014 and 2013?
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/13/11 03:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So if 2018, 2016 and 2015 won that's 3 out of 7 not bad. What about the 2017,2014 and 2013?
Apparently, there is some confusion on the All-American results site with game numbers in some of the semifinals and finals.

In summary, the Top Guns web site is calling out the following final results :

2014 Black All American Showcase Champions
2014 Purple All American Showcase Finalists
2015 Black All American Showcase Champions
2016 Black All American Showcase Champions
2017 Black All American Showcase Finalists
2018 Black All American Showcase Champions
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/13/11 03:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watching several games at the All American Showcase I was impressed on how well the girls for the Top Guns played as a team. Sure there were one or two girls that stood out but they did not rely on them to win. It was a team effort that won. All the girls on the Top Guns teams had equal skills and could play the game. No, their coaches are not “Lazy”.
Over the last week, BOTC has watched the discussion with interest on the concept of college students coming back to teach in the Top Guns program as it is something relatively unique in either the Lacrosse or Soccer worlds. When we spoke with the Top Guns staff while booking their summer camps (see the Portal Page today, Monday), we spent a great deal of time talking about the Top Gun program's mission and focus.

While the Top Guns staff might not have the collegiate reach of the Yellow Jackets program, it was clear to BOTC that the goals set for this summer's programs are consistent with increasing knowledge of the game for a reasonable price point.

College achievements of individual players do not necessarily translate into coaching ability. Surely, some of these young folks are learning the art of teaching at the same time they are training the Top Guns players. That said, if you want to know a bit more about the coaching staff for the program, please click here for direct access to more information.

Remember, we established BOTC to increase the visibility on Long Island of both lacrosse, the game, and lacrosse, the business. Your views?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/13/11 05:08 PM
I think being a parent of a Top Gun players, the coaching staff is excellent. The coaching staff is professional yet fun which is what it is about also. They impart their personal experiences with the game into their coaching abilities. I think any travel team should fit into what style you think would best suit your child. It shouldn't be about parents fighting about which travel team is better. Each and every are different in their own ways. As far as the college connections, well I think if your child is gifted they will make a name for themselves
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/14/11 10:10 AM
I predict many many more girls going to Top Gun this coming year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/14/11 11:48 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I predict many many more girls going to Top Gun this coming year.

Yeah, with 6 out of 8 teams going to the finals and 4 out of 8 winning the championship this past tournament I would agree. However if it not broke don’t fix it. These teams played well and the girls meshed well. If you have an open fill it but don’t change it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/14/11 12:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I predict many many more girls going to Top Gun this coming year.

Yeah, with 6 out of 8 teams going to the finals and 4 out of 8 winning the championship this past tournament I would agree. However if it not broke don’t fix it. These teams played well and the girls meshed well. If you have an open fill it but don’t change it.

Any other top teams in the tourney? M and D? Skywalkers? Yellow Jackets? etc..? It is great the teams did well, but the competition matters if you are going to talk about how great the teams are doing.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/14/11 12:28 PM
The full listing of Champions and Finalists from the All American Showcase follows. For a full listing of all teams that participated, you will need to refer to the tournament web site.

Division (AAS), Champions, Finalists

Girls MS Champions, LI Top Guns 2016 Black, BBL Elite Terps
Girls MS Elite, Junior Wildcats, LI Top Guns 17 Black
Girls MS Premier, LI Top Guns 2018 Black, Motion V2018
Girls SR A-OPEN Champions, Capital 2013 Blue, Heros 2013
Girls SR A-OPEN Elite, Metro Blue 2013, Skywalkers 13 Blue
Girls SR A-OPEN Platinum, Brandywine Majors 2013, Team 91 2013
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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/14/11 04:40 PM
Please stop fooling yourselves!! All the good teams went
To charm city and ocean city tourney.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/14/11 07:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please stop fooling yourselves!! All the good teams went
To charm city and ocean city tourney.


OK!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/14/11 09:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I predict many many more girls going to Top Gun this coming year.

Yeah, with 6 out of 8 teams going to the finals and 4 out of 8 winning the championship this past tournament I would agree. However if it not broke don’t fix it. These teams played well and the girls meshed well. If you have an open fill it but don’t change it.

You must have a kid who is not so good or you would welcome better players around her. Any good organization will only look to get better, even if it means your kid goes.
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/15/11 01:04 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must have a kid who is not so good or you would welcome better players around her. Any good organization will only look to get better, even if it means your kid goes.


Hmm, that's what I was thinking.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/15/11 02:06 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I predict many many more girls going to Top Gun this coming year.

Yeah, with 6 out of 8 teams going to the finals and 4 out of 8 winning the championship this past tournament I would agree. However if it not broke don’t fix it. These teams played well and the girls meshed well. If you have an open fill it but don’t change it.

Any other top teams in the tourney? M and D? Skywalkers? Yellow Jackets? etc..? It is great the teams did well, but the competition matters if you are going to talk about how great the teams are doing.

Not trying to poke holes, but you can't talk about championships if your team is in a B division. It is like winning the NIT in basketball.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/15/11 12:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I predict many many more girls going to Top Gun this coming year.

Yeah, with 6 out of 8 teams going to the finals and 4 out of 8 winning the championship this past tournament I would agree. However if it not broke don’t fix it. These teams played well and the girls meshed well. If you have an open fill it but don’t change it.

You must have a kid who is not so good or you would welcome better players around her. Any good organization will only look to get better, even if it means your kid goes.

No I’m not that self-centered such as you. It really has nothing to do with the playing ability of the girls. It’s the amount of fun the girls have off the field. It’s the tail gate and pizza parties at the hotels, it’s the families of all the teams just having a good time. It’s fun. Coming from the YJ two years ago, we never did things like that. Frankly the YJ’s seemed snobbish.

Oh, how’s 91 working out for you Powderfinger? A little unorganized.
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/15/11 12:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Oh, how’s 91 working out for you Powderfinger? A little unorganized.


Yup, unorganized. I'm getting timely emails but am pretty sure if I contacted them with a question there'd be no response. LOL Very happy with the coaches we have, though, no complaints there. Also happy with the other girls and parents on the team. All is good except the admin level, which is widely known by all 91 parents to be unreachable.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/15/11 12:56 PM
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Oh, how’s 91 working out for you Powderfinger? A little unorganized.


Yup, unorganized. I'm getting timely emails but am pretty sure if I contacted them with a question there'd be no response. LOL Very happy with the coaches we have, though, no complaints there. Also happy with the other girls and parents on the team. All is good except the admin level, which is widely known by all 91 parents to be unreachable.

Actually I heard very good thing about your coach, nice job on the semifinals too bad about the weather. Good luck in the future. ---<#)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/15/11 01:46 PM
Um I am responding to the comment about the kids on Top Guns not being that good. Well, 2 i know won All County All Division and All Tournament.. Once again notIntelligent statements
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/15/11 05:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Um I am responding to the comment about the kids on Top Guns not being that good. Well, 2 i know won All County All Division and All Tournament.. Once again notIntelligent statements


Yeah that's great, yellow jackets had over 20 all division and about 30 all county, 8 all tournament so you guys keep trying
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/15/11 07:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah that's great, yellow jackets had over 20 all division and about 30 all county, 8 all tournament so you guys keep trying


It's remarks like that that just keep the YJ love coming. <rolling eyes>
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/15/11 07:13 PM
Not bad for 1,000 YJ girls...2%, 3% and less than 1% of the rosters...

Impressive, keep up the good work...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/15/11 07:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not bad for 1,000 YJ girls...2%, 3% and less than 1% of the rosters...

Impressive, keep up the good work...

lol. Yes all those YJ elementary and middle school kids should be ashamed of themselves for not making All County!! Your math is rediculous. Actually there were some YJ middle school kids honored as All Division,All County and All tournament! There are good players in both organizations. More in the Yellow Jackets. So what.If you are happy being with Top Gun. Enjoy yourself! Why such anger towards the kids on YJ's? "they are taught to swing sticks,play aggressive etc.." They are a successful organization with good players. It is always easy to hate the "Top Dog" but remember they are all kids who love to play the game too. It is ok to want to beat them but everyone needs to respect each other(including the parents)! Last year one of the tournaments the Top gun teams had tatoo's of yellow Jackets with knives or saw's going through them(a little over the top in my opinion).Remember Competition is good. It makes everyone better. Maybe there will be more maryland teams coming here for tournaments instead of us going on the road all the time. Be safe and enjoy your summers. What ever team you play for!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/15/11 09:17 PM
I said those were three i know of. You are really a superb notIntelligent comment maker. OOOh the Yellow Jackets... we are so scared of them. Funny Top Guns plays quality lacrosse not dirty lacrosse. Because our girls are ladies not men.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/15/11 09:18 PM
You also have multiple teams so your owner gets more bang for her buck. I will look for quality not quantity any day. Good Luck to you I can see your one of "those" parents.. embarrasing .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/15/11 09:21 PM
i agree with your statement YJ parent thank you. But in all fairness in tournaments with your girls it was down and dirty as well. Just be happy with the teams you are on and what you chose. Your daughters will shine if they are stars whether YJ or Top Guns. Have a safe summer as well!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/15/11 10:12 PM
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah that's great, yellow jackets had over 20 all division and about 30 all county, 8 all tournament so you guys keep trying


It's remarks like that that just keep the YJ love coming. <rolling eyes>


Just commenting on top gun statement
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/15/11 10:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not bad for 1,000 YJ girls...2%, 3% and less than 1% of the rosters...

Impressive, keep up the good work...


Yeah the 3rd graders don't usually make all county!
If you take all the lax clubs on long island more all division and all county and all American players come from yj more than the other teams combined. This is not counting nassau county, look at garden city where most of those fantastic players all are yj and st. Anthonys where a few of them go to. Trust me yj produces the most impressive mat of talented players hence the huge numbers at tryouts
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/16/11 12:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not bad for 1,000 YJ girls...2%, 3% and less than 1% of the rosters...

Impressive, keep up the good work...

lol. Yes all those YJ elementary and middle school kids should be ashamed of themselves for not making All County!! Your math is rediculous. Actually there were some YJ middle school kids honored as All Division,All County and All tournament! There are good players in both organizations. More in the Yellow Jackets. So what.If you are happy being with Top Gun. Enjoy yourself! Why such anger towards the kids on YJ's? "they are taught to swing sticks,play aggressive etc.." They are a successful organization with good players. It is always easy to hate the "Top Dog" but remember they are all kids who love to play the game too. It is ok to want to beat them but everyone needs to respect each other(including the parents)! Last year one of the tournaments the Top gun teams had tatoo's of yellow Jackets with knives or saw's going through them(a little over the top in my opinion).Remember Competition is good. It makes everyone better. Maybe there will be more maryland teams coming here for tournaments instead of us going on the road all the time. Be safe and enjoy your summers. What ever team you play for!

Just my 2 cents, I agree with you if your happy with the team good and god bless, but you hit the nail on the head by saying "They are taught to swing sticks, play aggressive etc...” The anger is NOT towards the kids but rather on how the YJ organization is training. There taught to swing sticks, NOT to control sticks. There taught to be aggressive towards their opponents and NOT to the ball. So they swing their sticks at their opponent to get the ball. A little over the top don’t you think. Sounds like boy’s lacrosse to me.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/16/11 12:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not bad for 1,000 YJ girls...2%, 3% and less than 1% of the rosters...

Impressive, keep up the good work...

lol. Yes all those YJ elementary and middle school kids should be ashamed of themselves for not making All County!! Your math is rediculous. Actually there were some YJ middle school kids honored as All Division,All County and All tournament! There are good players in both organizations. More in the Yellow Jackets. So what.If you are happy being with Top Gun. Enjoy yourself! Why such anger towards the kids on YJ's? "they are taught to swing sticks,play aggressive etc.." They are a successful organization with good players. It is always easy to hate the "Top Dog" but remember they are all kids who love to play the game too. It is ok to want to beat them but everyone needs to respect each other(including the parents)! Last year one of the tournaments the Top gun teams had tatoo's of yellow Jackets with knives or saw's going through them(a little over the top in my opinion).Remember Competition is good. It makes everyone better. Maybe there will be more maryland teams coming here for tournaments instead of us going on the road all the time. Be safe and enjoy your summers. What ever team you play for!

Just my 2 cents, I agree with you if your happy with the team good and god bless, but you hit the nail on the head by saying "They are taught to swing sticks, play aggressive etc...” The anger is NOT towards the kids but rather on how the YJ organization is training. There taught to swing sticks, NOT to control sticks. There taught to be aggressive towards their opponents and NOT to the ball. So they swing their sticks at their opponent to get the ball. A little over the top don’t you think. Sounds like boy’s lacrosse to me.

I should say their allowed to swing their sticks and allowed to be aggressive towards their opponent.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/16/11 12:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not bad for 1,000 YJ girls...2%, 3% and less than 1% of the rosters...

Impressive, keep up the good work...

lol. Yes all those YJ elementary and middle school kids should be ashamed of themselves for not making All County!! Your math is rediculous. Actually there were some YJ middle school kids honored as All Division,All County and All tournament! There are good players in both organizations. More in the Yellow Jackets. So what.If you are happy being with Top Gun. Enjoy yourself! Why such anger towards the kids on YJ's? "they are taught to swing sticks,play aggressive etc.." They are a successful organization with good players. It is always easy to hate the "Top Dog" but remember they are all kids who love to play the game too. It is ok to want to beat them but everyone needs to respect each other(including the parents)! Last year one of the tournaments the Top gun teams had tatoo's of yellow Jackets with knives or saw's going through them(a little over the top in my opinion).Remember Competition is good. It makes everyone better. Maybe there will be more maryland teams coming here for tournaments instead of us going on the road all the time. Be safe and enjoy your summers. What ever team you play for!

Just my 2 cents, I agree with you if your happy with the team good and god bless, but you hit the nail on the head by saying "They are taught to swing sticks, play aggressive etc...” The anger is NOT towards the kids but rather on how the YJ organization is training. There taught to swing sticks, NOT to control sticks. There taught to be aggressive towards their opponents and NOT to the ball. So they swing their sticks at their opponent to get the ball. A little over the top don’t you think. Sounds like boy’s lacrosse to me.

I wasn't saying that they swing their sticks uncontrollably. I was paraphrasing a previous post(assuming by a Top Gun parent).I think the YJ teams are very different from each other. Some play harder than others.By no means do I see ANY coach teaching the kids to play illlegally. Do some teams have pressure double teaming defenses that resemble the boys game, absolutely! Is it within the rules? Absolutely! I don't think parents from other clubs are comfortable with their kids being under that much constant pressure. If you watched garden City this year, that is what impressed me about that group. They pressured out on the ball and never let anyone get comfortable. Many of the YJ teams do the same thing. I have not seen any coaches telling the kids to slash, poke check etc..If so, how are these kids surviving in HS with the 2 yellow card rule? It is almost like if a girl plays as hard as she can, people say she "plays like a boy". Why are the girls suppose to sit back and ease up ? Because they are girls? The game is suppose to look prettier? These kids are athletes, let them play like a athletes.Not illegally but intensely.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/16/11 01:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not bad for 1,000 YJ girls...2%, 3% and less than 1% of the rosters...

Impressive, keep up the good work...

lol. Yes all those YJ elementary and middle school kids should be ashamed of themselves for not making All County!! Your math is rediculous. Actually there were some YJ middle school kids honored as All Division,All County and All tournament! There are good players in both organizations. More in the Yellow Jackets. So what.If you are happy being with Top Gun. Enjoy yourself! Why such anger towards the kids on YJ's? "they are taught to swing sticks,play aggressive etc.." They are a successful organization with good players. It is always easy to hate the "Top Dog" but remember they are all kids who love to play the game too. It is ok to want to beat them but everyone needs to respect each other(including the parents)! Last year one of the tournaments the Top gun teams had tatoo's of yellow Jackets with knives or saw's going through them(a little over the top in my opinion).Remember Competition is good. It makes everyone better. Maybe there will be more maryland teams coming here for tournaments instead of us going on the road all the time. Be safe and enjoy your summers. What ever team you play for!

Just my 2 cents, I agree with you if your happy with the team good and god bless, but you hit the nail on the head by saying "They are taught to swing sticks, play aggressive etc...” The anger is NOT towards the kids but rather on how the YJ organization is training. There taught to swing sticks, NOT to control sticks. There taught to be aggressive towards their opponents and NOT to the ball. So they swing their sticks at their opponent to get the ball. A little over the top don’t you think. Sounds like boy’s lacrosse to me.

I wasn't saying that they swing their sticks uncontrollably. I was paraphrasing a previous post(assuming by a Top Gun parent).I think the YJ teams are very different from each other. Some play harder than others.By no means do I see ANY coach teaching the kids to play illlegally. Do some teams have pressure double teaming defenses that resemble the boys game, absolutely! Is it within the rules? Absolutely! I don't think parents from other clubs are comfortable with their kids being under that much constant pressure. If you watched garden City this year, that is what impressed me about that group. They pressured out on the ball and never let anyone get comfortable. Many of the YJ teams do the same thing. I have not seen any coaches telling the kids to slash, poke check etc..If so, how are these kids surviving in HS with the 2 yellow card rule? It is almost like if a girl plays as hard as she can, people say she "plays like a boy". Why are the girls suppose to sit back and ease up ? Because they are girls? The game is suppose to look prettier? These kids are athletes, let them play like a athletes.Not illegally but intensely.

We’re getting closer to an agreement. Yes I have seen Garden City and I loved how they pressured and doubled teamed the ball and that’s good. May be it’s the transition from rising stars / JV to HS Varsity. I have seen and was told by younger players on the YJ that they were told to do anything to stop the play. Take the penalty so that other girls can position them self for better defense. If that’s the case, than they are being taught to win at all cost and not the game and control. Call me old fashion but at the rising stars / JV level the game and control should be taught.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/16/11 08:43 PM
What do you consider JV level? Many of these kids are playing Varsity by 7th or 8th grade!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/16/11 08:51 PM
When are the next tryouts for Top Guns being held?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/16/11 08:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What do you consider JV level? Many of these kids are playing Varsity by 7th or 8th grade!

Graduation years 2016, 2015 and 2014, some schools only allow 9th graders and up to play varsity. Why do you ask?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/17/11 10:23 PM
When is the next YJ tryouts!! Dont want
To miss that!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/17/11 10:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not bad for 1,000 YJ girls...2%, 3% and less than 1% of the rosters...

Impressive, keep up the good work...

lol. Yes all those YJ elementary and middle school kids should be ashamed of themselves for not making All County!! Your math is rediculous. Actually there were some YJ middle school kids honored as All Division,All County and All tournament! There are good players in both organizations. More in the Yellow Jackets. So what.If you are happy being with Top Gun. Enjoy yourself! Why such anger towards the kids on YJ's? "they are taught to swing sticks,play aggressive etc.." They are a successful organization with good players. It is always easy to hate the "Top Dog" but remember they are all kids who love to play the game too. It is ok to want to beat them but everyone needs to respect each other(including the parents)! Last year one of the tournaments the Top gun teams had tatoo's of yellow Jackets with knives or saw's going through them(a little over the top in my opinion).Remember Competition is good. It makes everyone better. Maybe there will be more maryland teams coming here for tournaments instead of us going on the road all the time. Be safe and enjoy your summers. What ever team you play for!

Just my 2 cents, I agree with you if your happy with the team good and god bless, but you hit the nail on the head by saying "They are taught to swing sticks, play aggressive etc...” The anger is NOT towards the kids but rather on how the YJ organization is training. There taught to swing sticks, NOT to control sticks. There taught to be aggressive towards their opponents and NOT to the ball. So they swing their sticks at their opponent to get the ball. A little over the top don’t you think. Sounds like boy’s lacrosse to me.

I wasn't saying that they swing their sticks uncontrollably. I was paraphrasing a previous post(assuming by a Top Gun parent).I think the YJ teams are very different from each other. Some play harder than others.By no means do I see ANY coach teaching the kids to play illlegally. Do some teams have pressure double teaming defenses that resemble the boys game, absolutely! Is it within the rules? Absolutely! I don't think parents from other clubs are comfortable with their kids being under that much constant pressure. If you watched garden City this year, that is what impressed me about that group. They pressured out on the ball and never let anyone get comfortable. Many of the YJ teams do the same thing. I have not seen any coaches telling the kids to slash, poke check etc..If so, how are these kids surviving in HS with the 2 yellow card rule? It is almost like if a girl plays as hard as she can, people say she "plays like a boy". Why are the girls suppose to sit back and ease up ? Because they are girls? The game is suppose to look prettier? These kids are athletes, let them play like a athletes.Not illegally but intensely.


Well u want to know how those crazy stick swinging YJ kids
End up? Well tues night in Suffolk they were all All Americans!! Go YJ
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/17/11 11:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When is the next YJ tryouts!! Dont want
To miss that!!!

You must have a ton of money. All the YJ's are good for is taking money are charging more fees. Adopt me please.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/19/11 07:57 PM
Top Gun results at Lax Inception (Maryland) - interestingly, the Top Guns were not placed in any of the same brackets as the Yellow Jackets teams at the tournament.

2013 Black : 2W-1L-1T, 42GF, 28GA, Fourth

2014 Black : 3W-0L-0T, 48GF, 17GA, Still Playing
2014 Purple: 2W-0L-1T, 35GF, 11GA, Still Playing
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/20/11 12:44 AM
Go Top Guns

2013 Black : 2W-1L-1T, 42GF, 28GA,

2014 Black : 4W-0L-0T, 68GF, 17GA,
2014 Purple: 3W-0L-1T, 45GF, 14GA,
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/20/11 03:05 PM
The Top Guns 2014 Black team put down scores of 16-6, 18-4 (over T3 Lacrosse), 14-7 and 20-0 (over Future Elite). Seriously with those scores? Wrong bracket placement?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/20/11 03:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Top Guns 2014 Black team put down scores of 16-6, 18-4 (over T3 Lacrosse), 14-7 and 20-0 (over Future Elite). Seriously with those scores? Wrong bracket placement?


Really that’s all you got? What can one say, the team is good. Must be the coaching.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/20/11 03:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Top Guns 2014 Black team put down scores of 16-6, 18-4 (over T3 Lacrosse), 14-7 and 20-0 (over Future Elite). Seriously with those scores? Wrong bracket placement?


Really that’s all you got? What can one say, the team is good. Must be the coaching.

They were in the B bracket. The team might be good, but I am sure even the parents on that team were not happy with the competition. The teams were awful.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/20/11 08:46 PM
Incorrect...2016 won the championship in OT. Daughter on the team. Thanks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/20/11 08:49 PM
You are right...2016 won. Was there and it was great!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/20/11 09:10 PM
You hit the nail on the head!!! Your YJ (not all, but some) parental philosophy is to think your daughter will earn such honors and play D1 lax and get a "full ride" even if thats not what she is meant to do. You will feel better about YOURSELF as you drive to the tournaments in your Escalade filled with your chardonnay and finger foods saying...My daughter plays for the YJ Fuscia colored team and she WILL go to Hopkins even if she wants to go to Dowling cause thats what I want. SAD really! Let the kids be kids and keep your personal regrets to yourself and stop broadcasting them onto your young impressionable girls. Enjoy the club you are a part of and watch these girls from different clubs hugging each other after the games as the parents finger point and bicker. Quite amusing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/20/11 09:24 PM
Thank You BOTC for doing the research on the Top Guns program. The visceral thoughts that were flying from the Yellow Jacket consortium made it difficult to understand the true argument. Having a daughter in another program and looking for an alternative led me here. After reading all the posts and especially yours, coupled with some personal research the choice is clear. Look forward to hopefully joining Top Guns next year!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/20/11 09:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thank You BOTC for doing the research on the Top Guns program. The visceral thoughts that were flying from the Yellow Jacket consortium made it difficult to understand the true argument. Having a daughter in another program and looking for an alternative led me here. After reading all the posts and especially yours, coupled with some personal research the choice is clear. Look forward to hopefully joining Top Guns next year!!!


Bring on National Draw!

I predict a sweep in all age groups
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/20/11 11:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thank You BOTC for doing the research on the Top Guns program. The visceral thoughts that were flying from the Yellow Jacket consortium made it difficult to understand the true argument. Having a daughter in another program and looking for an alternative led me here. After reading all the posts and especially yours, coupled with some personal research the choice is clear. Look forward to hopefully joining Top Guns next year!!!


Same here! Anyone have any idea when the next tryouts for the 2011-2012 season are? Or when the tryouts were for this season, just to get a timeframe when the next tryouts will be held!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/21/11 06:33 PM
Sounds like YJ parents are a bit nervous about what is going on with Topguns.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/21/11 06:42 PM
Yj parents are nervous because some LI teams are coming close to beating them. YJ teams aren't as strong as they were in the past.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/21/11 07:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yj parents are nervous because some LI teams are coming close to beating them. YJ teams aren't as strong as they were in the past.



Really you guys are getting a little ahead of yourselves. The past 2 tourneys you played terrible teams in B or lower divisions. When you win in every age group this weekend at National Draw including beating every YJ age group then you can come on here and Brag. No whining about missing players or bad ref calls. Get to and win the finals in EVERY age group. Looking forward to the results on Saturday & Sunday.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/21/11 07:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yj parents are nervous because some LI teams are coming close to beating them. YJ teams aren't as strong as they were in the past.



Really you guys are getting a little ahead of yourselves. The past 2 tourneys you played terrible teams in B or lower divisions. When you win in every age group this weekend at National Draw including beating every YJ age group then you can come on here and Brag. No whining about missing players or bad ref calls. Get to and win the finals in EVERY age group. Looking forward to the results on Saturday & Sunday.


Yeah Top Guns are totally different than YJ. There is no favoritism, oh wait, if you are from Babylon or West Babylon there might be a little....Um there are no parent coaches who let their kid play the whole game....oh wait yeah there is that....there are no screaming parents who are plain crazy....uh oh, wait yep there are a few that are certifiable. Wait, there must be some difference. Hmm. well if we get more players we can create multiple teams like 3 or 4 in every age group then we would be different! No Wait, we would be just like those darn YJ teams. Wow, this is tough.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/21/11 08:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yj parents are nervous because some LI teams are coming close to beating them. YJ teams aren't as strong as they were in the past.


Hey Top Guns parents were smarter than this; after all we went to Top Guns. Keep it clean and show respect. I will admit the girls are playing really good but these are our kids and after all it about the fun and a good clean game plus the BBQ. Enjoy and see you this weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/22/11 02:00 PM
who are you talking about?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/22/11 02:03 PM
topdogs???? who mentioned topdogs? Yj have close games with all LI teams now. YJ girls are leaving for other clubs, most are not happy there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/22/11 02:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
topdogs???? who mentioned topdogs? Yj have close games with all LI teams now. YJ girls are leaving for other clubs, most are not happy there.

Another blanket statement! How do you know? Have you spoken with over 300 kids to see if they are happy? I don't hear too much complaining!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/22/11 11:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
topdogs???? who mentioned topdogs? Yj have close games with all LI teams now. YJ girls are leaving for other clubs, most are not happy there.

Another blanket statement! How do you know? Have you spoken with over 300 kids to see if they are happy? I don't hear too much complaining!

Thanks for the input Carole!
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/23/11 12:16 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
topdogs???? who mentioned topdogs? Yj have close games with all LI teams now. YJ girls are leaving for other clubs, most are not happy there.

Another blanket statement! How do you know? Have you spoken with over 300 kids to see if they are happy? I don't hear too much complaining!

Thanks for the input Carole!
BOTC is in constant contact with the Yellow Jackets organization and we can tell you that aside from being a key advertising partner, the organization does not post. So, care to guess again?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/23/11 12:51 AM
funny thing is that there are many girls across all of these clubs that have friends on clubs other than their own. These crazy parents (losers trying to relive the success they never had through their children) that drum up all of this ill will. Sad. Let them play.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/23/11 02:59 AM
Yeah right.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/23/11 03:00 AM
yeah right
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/23/11 01:08 PM
What a joke, the 2017 Top Guns got their butts kicked by a regular town team, Middle Country, ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/23/11 02:22 PM
and YJ had something to do with that , I'm sure
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/23/11 02:26 PM
Yellowjackets make up schedule?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/23/11 03:54 PM
Wow you people are just way over the top why doesn't everyone just enjoy their teams and enjoy good lacrosse and the games well... they will speak for themselves and yes I am a Top Gun parent
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/23/11 05:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What a joke, the 2017 Top Guns got their butts kicked by a regular town team, Middle Country, ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.


When did Middle Country play Top Gun??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/23/11 05:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow you people are just way over the top why doesn't everyone just enjoy their teams and enjoy good lacrosse and the games well... they will speak for themselves and yes I am a Top Gun parent


Agreed!!! It’s getting out of hand. Please let’s enjoy the game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/23/11 07:06 PM
a few weeks ago in a tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/23/11 07:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
a few weeks ago in a tournament.


Any given day any team can usually beat a team or be beaten. Sometimes town teams can be stronger than even a club team because these girls have been playing together for years. You have to remember that top guns is a new organization and these girls have not been playing together for very long. I say competition is great. The next time these teams meet maybe the reverse will happen!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/23/11 08:26 PM
i am a top guns PLAYER, and i think this rivalry between parents is ridiculous. All that matters is what team your happy on. I your happy on Yellow Jackets, so be it. If your happy on Top Guns, so be it. Some of my best friends play on Yellow Jackets, and most players look at it as friendly competition. Why is there need for arguments like this? A 2017 team? they are in 6th grade. I'm not even an adult and i understand this is outrageous. Instead of arguing, why can't everyone just enjoy the game? as a player, and i speak for all tournament players when it comes to this, why can't we just play, leave it on the field, and that's it?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/23/11 08:31 PM
YJ parent mentality is different than all others
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/23/11 10:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
i am a top guns PLAYER, and i think this rivalry between parents is ridiculous. All that matters is what team your happy on. I your happy on Yellow Jackets, so be it. If your happy on Top Guns, so be it. Some of my best friends play on Yellow Jackets, and most players look at it as friendly competition. Why is there need for arguments like this? A 2017 team? they are in 6th grade. I'm not even an adult and i understand this is outrageous. Instead of arguing, why can't everyone just enjoy the game? as a player, and i speak for all tournament players when it comes to this, why can't we just play, leave it on the field, and that's it?


Actually a top gun player started talking trash talk the other day towards a yellow jacket player that she is actually friendly with. Right out of the blue. So if you think rivalry is just between parents or is just one sided yj against top gun, then you are wrong. It does happen. Trust me girls can be very nasty to each other. Probably worse than boys!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/23/11 10:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
i am a top guns PLAYER, and i think this rivalry between parents is ridiculous. All that matters is what team your happy on. I your happy on Yellow Jackets, so be it. If your happy on Top Guns, so be it. Some of my best friends play on Yellow Jackets, and most players look at it as friendly competition. Why is there need for arguments like this? A 2017 team? they are in 6th grade. I'm not even an adult and i understand this is outrageous. Instead of arguing, why can't everyone just enjoy the game? as a player, and i speak for all tournament players when it comes to this, why can't we just play, leave it on the field, and that's it?


Actually a top gun player started talking trash talk the other day towards a yellow jacket player that she is actually friendly with. Right out of the blue. So if you think rivalry is just between parents or is just one sided yj against top gun, then you are wrong. It does happen. Trust me girls can be very nasty to each other. Probably worse than boys!!
If you ever went on Back of the Net you would see the same thing. If you take what is said seriously on this type of forum then you need to chill out a little.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/23/11 11:17 PM
top guns getting a lot of run from YJ parents and players, must be something to that. are you scared of something?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/26/11 12:05 AM
YJ15 blue beat your TG15 black... What happened? not even a goal
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/26/11 04:21 PM
Any teams need a player or guest player? A 2014 middie is looking for a team. Any suggestions?
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/26/11 04:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any teams need a player or guest player? A 2014 middie is looking for a team. Any suggestions?
Please be sure to post the details on our Tryouts Board.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/26/11 09:43 PM
Really that is the reply you have to a kid? Well written Top Gun Player leave it on the field!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/27/11 02:09 PM
It's so quiet on this thread...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/27/11 02:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's so quiet on this thread...
... National Draw burnout! Not much to argue after this weekend's results, is there?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/27/11 07:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's so quiet on this thread...
... National Draw burnout! Not much to argue after this weekend's results, is there?

Regardless of who won or lost it was a fun weekend. Congrats to Yrllow Jackets &#61514; keep going Top Guns.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/27/11 07:03 PM
Regardless of who won or lost it was a fun weekend. Congrats to Yellow Jackets. Keep going Top Guns.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/29/11 07:39 AM
What age does the Top Guns program start?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/29/11 02:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What age does the Top Guns program start?

They have a graduation year of 2018 now and will most likely add a 2019 next season. Go to their web site and inquire about their camps they start next week and will always take walk-on campers. www.litopguns.com
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/06/11 06:47 PM
Last night on News 12's 10:00pm report, there was a nice story about the Top Guns Lacrosse Camp Fundraiser for the reconstruction of the South Bay Elementary School in the West Babylon School District.

Shannon Smith, one of the camp directors, in the interview cited her experiences at the school as a youngster and those of her father a generation before as key reasons why she decided to hold this fundraiser camp.

A solid turnout of 80+ young ladies at this three day morning camp who are getting some solid skills training (despite the heat) and helping to raise funds for a worthy cause.

BOTC raises a glass to thank Shannon and those involved in this fundraiser for Long Island in general and West Babylon specifically.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/11/11 02:58 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Last night on News 12's 10:00pm report, there was a nice story about the Top Guns Lacrosse Camp Fundraiser for the reconstruction of the South Bay Elementary School in the West Babylon School District.

Shannon Smith, one of the camp directors, in the interview cited her experiences at the school as a youngster and those of her father a generation before as key reasons why she decided to hold this fundraiser camp.

A solid turnout of 80+ young ladies at this three day morning camp who are getting some solid skills training (despite the heat) and helping to raise funds for a worthy cause.

BOTC raises a glass to thank Shannon and those involved in this fundraiser for Long Island in general and West Babylon specifically.


Does anyone know when tryouts are?
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/11/11 03:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know when tryouts are?
BOTC will be providing information about the next round of Top Guns tryouts when they are available. Meanwhile, you can contact their organization via the link in the header on the BOTC pages.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/11/11 06:07 PM
14 topguns B team beats up on 14 YJ gold. YJ blue teams are ok, after that they are nothing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/11/11 06:09 PM
score was 5-4 a real beat down!! Get a grip
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/11/11 06:14 PM
I was there YJ parents were crying after the game
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/11/11 06:17 PM
YJ coach will probably get fired.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/11/11 06:19 PM
Yea Ok I was there too!! That never happened. The big 1 point Blowout!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/11/11 06:22 PM
At Least YJ kids dont get caught STEALING at NATIONAL DRAW thats GREAT for the Reputation your building!!
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/11/11 06:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
At Least YJ kids dont get caught STEALING at NATIONAL DRAW thats GREAT for the Reputation your building!!
This is a fairly serious accusation made anonymously. Please provide details for BOTC Industries to validate. This posting is in violation of the Board Rules and will require documentation.

Please supply details immediately.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/11/11 07:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
At Least YJ kids dont get caught STEALING at NATIONAL DRAW thats GREAT for the Reputation your building!!


Apparently a top gun player was caught trying to steal from a vendor and the police were called. The directors at National Draw sent out a memo to this effect that there is a zero tolerance for this kind of action. This memo went to all of the participants. It will be interesting to see if their club is asked back next year. By the way, There is no way anyone from Top Guns is going to admit this.
I heard this from parents that were there at the time.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/11/11 07:33 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
At Least YJ kids dont get caught STEALING at NATIONAL DRAW thats GREAT for the Reputation your building!!
This is a fairly serious accusation made anonymously. Please provide details for BOTC Industries to validate. This posting is in violation of the Board Rules and will require documentation.

Please supply details immediately.


You can call the Tournament Directors at National Draw but I doubt that they would be able to discuss what happened.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/11/11 08:27 PM
its true....witnessed it myself first hand.
signed another LI Club parent.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/12/11 03:20 PM
You can't blame a club for a child's actions off the field. Place the blame where it belongs, on that individual and that individual alone.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/12/11 05:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You can't blame a club for a child's actions off the field. Place the blame where it belongs, on that individual and that individual alone.
BOTC agrees that there is no blame to be assigned to the club for the poor choices of a player. That said, the club's response to the situation is important. Responses could include:
  • Mandatory curfews for all players,
  • Mandatory team dinners and meetings in the evenings,
  • Additional chaperones or parent attendance requirements,
  • Circulation of a zero tolerance policy for any additional summer season off-field issues,
  • Development of a revised travel policy with effect for the Summer 2012 season,
  • Required apologies, letters, and community service if required.
Now, BOTC is not judge and jury on this topic. In fact, this is for the player, family, police, and other agencies to handle. Our point is that this is a teachable moment for the entire club, particularly one in the early years, to decide what they represent going forward.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/13/11 02:16 PM
[quote=Anonymous]You can't blame a club for a child's actions off the field. Place the blame where it belongs, on that individual and that individual alone.

Unless its a Yellow Jacket kid of course then the whole club would have been crucified!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/13/11 02:22 PM
thats right, just look at there parents at games, then you see why the kids are the way they are
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/13/11 02:26 PM
it was 1 kid you idiot
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/13/11 03:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
it was 1 kid you idiot
That is no way to play in the anonymous sandbox, particularly when you refer to a CageSage posting. Whether it was one player or a dozen players, it is a teachable moment for the player, the team, and the club.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/13/11 04:24 PM
Enough of this my daughter/team/club/parents are holy~er than thou. Unless you can speak for every kid and every parent of every team for the entire history of the club, then you should avoid this slippery slope of casting judgement. There is a reason these tournaments issue the shoplifting statements prior to the tournaments, it has been a big problem in the past, long before topguns even came into being. This anonymous name calling and mud slinging is ugly and embarassing, why don't you all dwell on the positives of the sport. Remember, we are all a part of the same community!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/17/11 10:49 PM
FOR THE KIDS...lets remember that line. Lets just all get along. Win gracefully and lose gracefully. It can and must be done if we have any hope of teaching our girls the right way to behave. C'mon...let this be a new start!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/17/11 11:52 PM
Great sentiment on a fresh start. Hope you all listened to the U.S. World Cup women's soccer captain upon their loss to Japan. Classy comments about their opponent and how they will gear up for the Olympics next. Lets unite Long Island against Maryland and Jersey etc.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/17/11 11:57 PM
Couldn't agree more its about the kids and their successes.Yellow or purple uniforms it doesn't matter. Win and lose gracefully!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/18/11 08:51 PM
One kid caught stealing should not keep the rest of the club from beeing invited back. Obviously the kid should be punished but remember itis still just a kid. The person that stated that the top gun team beat yj gold so badly is a sad little person who hides behind a computer screen making up stories.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/20/11 08:42 PM
Girls Club National Championship Results

2012 CUP Winner: NEMS
2013 CUP Winner: NEMS
2014 CUP Winner: M&D Black
2015 CUP Winner: Long Island Top Guns
2016 CUP Winner: M&D Black
2017/18 CUP Winner: SJS Pink

2012 PLATE Winner: Relentless Hustle Black
2014 PLATE Winner: Long Island Top Guns
2015 PLATE Winner: LI Express
2016 PLATE Winner: TLC RED
2017/18 PLATE Winner: BBL Elite
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/21/11 09:04 PM
The back and forth MUST stop. C'mon guys and girls...lets show everyone we can get along! From this point forward lets not engage in petty name calling and accusations. AGREED?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/22/11 01:50 AM
I know you are but what am I?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/22/11 03:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know you are but what am I?
yellow jackets beats top guns at u15 national championships 12 to 6! Top guns had 5 yellow cards and yellow jackets had 0.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/22/11 03:39 PM
I guess that shows who the top club is now...wasn't even a close game. Looks like bringing in the ringers didn't pay off either!!! Let's see how many are wearing yellow next season bc the reality of this entire crap is. The kids love who they at with at the end of the day they can't even remember the scores of their games...it's the crazy parents who are on hear arguing!!! I'm guessing it will never end but that yellow will probally be adding another team at the 14 level bc it proves who the dominate program on the island is. Run by SEASONED adults...not a college grad I don't care how good a player you are doesn't make you a great coach. Remember she once wore yellow until she realized the money she could make.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/22/11 03:41 PM
Key final day competition results in the U15 National Championship

Friday, July 22 - Semifinals/Finals and Consolation Games

Semifinal Games
Long Island (N.Y.) Yellow Jackets 12, Long Island (N.Y.) Top Guns 6
Stars Gold (Va.) 14, vs. Top of the Bay (Md.) 9

Championship Game
Noon - Yellow Jackets (N.Y.) vs. Stars Gold (Va.), Field 18

Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/22/11 03:44 PM
I would say your wrong!! Have you seen the YJ 14 green team. They beat there gold team 9-2 in a scrimmage without their top players even being there. Sign up for LI Elite and and ask to play them...I bet the outcome will not be what's expected!!! I've watch them play!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/22/11 03:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know you are but what am I?
yellow jackets beats top guns at u15 national championships 12 to 6! Top guns had 5 yellow cards and yellow jackets had 0.
. Good job, congrats, hopefully we'll get onne back next time.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/22/11 03:50 PM
Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19


Report from the field : Top of the Bay leads the Long Island Top Guns, 4-2, approximately 15 minutes into the match. More updates as they become available.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/22/11 03:55 PM
Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19


Report from the field : Long Island Top Guns close the gap to 4-3 with slightly under 9 minutes remaining.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/22/11 03:58 PM
Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19


Report from the field : Teams trade goals with score now standing at 5-4 with seven minutes remaining in the first half.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/22/11 04:00 PM
You sound so sad and bitter in your win, congrats anyway. Kids won't be flocking away from tguns, came up just a bit shhort to a great team. Not bad for a program that was just started. Imagine the young teams coming down the pipes, learning through the system and having played together for years. Worry not, the future for top guns is extremely bright. Great game girls!
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/22/11 04:10 PM
Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19


Top Guns equalize just before the half and the teams head to the locker room knotted at five goals each. Five different goal scorers for the Top Guns in this match.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/22/11 04:25 PM
Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19


The break did the Top Guns well netting three in the opening three minutes of the second hald. Top Guns lead, 8-6, with 21 minutes remaining.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/22/11 04:31 PM
Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19


Scoring Update : Top Guns still lead, 8-7, 19:00 Remaining.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/22/11 04:35 PM
Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19


Scoring Update : Top Guns lead now, 9-7, 11:00 remaining. Riley Hill and Alexa Smith with two goals each. Shannon Smith doing an excellent job behind the bench for the Top Guns up until this point.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/22/11 04:54 PM
Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19


Top of the Bay surges to a 10-9 lead with only four minutes remaining. Details are sketchy at this point - action is fierce on the field.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/22/11 04:58 PM
Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19


Approximately 90 seconds remaining - still 10-9.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/22/11 05:00 PM
Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19


Top Guns equalize with 36 seconds remaining, 10-10. The noise eruption is out of control - can barely hear yourself think between these two fantastic final matches taking place.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/22/11 05:02 PM
Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19


... AND IT GOES TO OVERTIME FOR THE BRONZE MEDAL IN THE U/15 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!

Kaileen Hart tied it for the Guns with about 30 seconds left. Later, she had the ball for a free position attempt at :00.7 on the clock. She fired a shot, but the horn sounded at :00.0 before the ball crossed the goal line. Center and trail umpires waved it off right away.

Overtime will be sudden victory and death.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/22/11 05:13 PM
Third-Place Game
11:30 a.m. - Top Guns (N.Y.) vs. Top of the Bay (Md.), Field 19


Final Result : Top of the Bay takes the Bronze Medal - free position goal with 1:15 remaining on the clock in overtime. Heartbreaking loss for the Top Guns who played so valiantly in this National Third Place final.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/22/11 06:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know you are but what am I?

Real classy...if you are a parent you should be embarrassed. If you are a child your parents should be embarrassed again. Either way let the hostility go dude.
Anyone reading this thread will clearly see who is perpetuating the animosity and not being civil (anonymously of course). Great job at Nationals to ALL THE GIRLS. YJs and TGs. You girls are awesome and it was great seeing you all together talking after the game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/22/11 06:27 PM
THANKS GURU!! for your reporting. This TG parent appreciates your efforts greatly. Keep up the good work. Congrats to the YJs on a job well done!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/22/11 07:14 PM
Yes, job very well done guru, much appreciated!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/23/11 12:21 AM
Do the Top Guns have a 4th grade team or do they start at 5th?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/23/11 08:42 PM
Way to Go Top Guns at the U15 National Championship in Florida. We were so proud of you and your coaching staff. Remember we have only been together 2 years and look at all you have achieved. Things will only go upward from here!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/24/11 12:44 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Way to Go Top Guns at the U15 National Championship in Florida. We were so proud of you and your coaching staff. Remember we have only been together 2 years and look at all you have achieved. Things will only go upward from here!


Yes congrats on 4th place!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/26/11 03:26 PM
U/15 National Championships - Lacrosse Magazine All-Tournament Team. The 12-player team in alphabetical order, with positions and club programs noted:

Kasey Behr, M, Yellow Jackets (N.Y.)
Kathryn Cavallo, D, Stars Gold (Va.)
Olivia Cole, G, Stars Gold (Va.)
Caroline Cummings, M, Nor Cal Elite
Alex Flobeck, D, Yellow Jackets (N.Y.)
Ana Hagerup, M, Stars Gold (Va.)
Kyra Harney, A, Yellow Jackets (N.Y.)
Riley Hill, A, Long Island Top Guns (N.Y.)
Miranda Ibello, M, Top of the Bay (Md.)
Charlotte Sofield, M, Stars Gold (Va.)
Kaitlin Trombetta, M, Yellow Jackets (N.Y.)
Emma Wall, A, Top of the Bay (Md.)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/02/11 08:04 PM
Just wanted to say that my daughter attended the top gun camp at shoreham h.s. last week. I watched a little and was very impressed with how the college players helped the girls. She came away extremely happy with her experience. Too bad they don't have a team for 4th graders or she, as well as some of her friends who were also at the camp, would try out. Hey Top Guns, how about a 4th grade team??!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/02/11 09:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just wanted to say that my daughter attended the top gun camp at shoreham h.s. last week. I watched a little and was very impressed with how the college players helped the girls. She came away extremely happy with her experience. Too bad they don't have a team for 4th graders or she, as well as some of her friends who were also at the camp, would try out. Hey Top Guns, how about a 4th grade team??!!

.
Too bad it was so far out east on the island. I know a lot of girls who wanted to go but it's a hike from nassau county
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/02/11 09:41 PM
If the girls are good enough, I'm sure they can go on the 5th grade team. Just sign up for the tryouts. Worst case scenario, you paid for a two hour clinic and she knows better what to expect next year. Nothing to lose. And if enough girls did the tryouts, I'm sure that they would form a 4th grade team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/02/11 09:41 PM
How many tournaments and which ones did top 2015 girls team attend this past season? I am interested in letting my daughter tryoutWRSNYC
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/02/11 11:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just wanted to say that my daughter attended the top gun camp at shoreham h.s. last week. I watched a little and was very impressed with how the college players helped the girls. She came away extremely happy with her experience. Too bad they don't have a team for 4th graders or she, as well as some of her friends who were also at the camp, would try out. Hey Top Guns, how about a 4th grade team??!!

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Too bad it was so far out east on the island. I know a lot of girls who wanted to go but it's a hike from nassau county

In addition to the shoreham camp they ran one from west babylon too, a bit closer for the nassau crowd.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/02/11 11:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In addition to the shoreham camp they ran one from west babylon too, a bit closer for the nassau crowd.
Remember that there is one more summer camp on offer from the Top Guns during the week of August 8th in West Babylon.

Top Guns Camp - August 8th-August 11th - West Babylon
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/03/11 12:03 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just wanted to say that my daughter attended the top gun camp at shoreham h.s. last week. I watched a little and was very impressed with how the college players helped the girls. She came away extremely happy with her experience. Too bad they don't have a team for 4th graders or she, as well as some of her friends who were also at the camp, would try out. Hey Top Guns, how about a 4th grade team??!!

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Too bad it was so far out east on the island. I know a lot of girls who wanted to go but it's a hike from nassau county

In addition to the shoreham camp they ran one from west babylon too, a bit closer for the nassau crowd.


True but the WEst Babylon camp had a specific focus, different from the Shorham camp.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/03/11 04:38 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the girls are good enough, I'm sure they can go on the 5th grade team. Just sign up for the tryouts. Worst case scenario, you paid for a two hour clinic and she knows better what to expect next year. Nothing to lose. And if enough girls did the tryouts, I'm sure that they would form a 4th grade team.

I'm not so sure they would form a forth grade team. All the tournaments, the lowest start for the pools is 6th grade. So a fifth grade team is already pushing it. But your right, forth graders can play up with the fifth graders. It's amazing the physical size difference of a fourth/fifth grade team playing against pure sixth grade teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/03/11 03:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the girls are good enough, I'm sure they can go on the 5th grade team. Just sign up for the tryouts. Worst case scenario, you paid for a two hour clinic and she knows better what to expect next year. Nothing to lose. And if enough girls did the tryouts, I'm sure that they would form a 4th grade team.

I'm not so sure they would form a forth grade team. All the tournaments, the lowest start for the pools is 6th grade. So a fifth grade team is already pushing it. But your right, forth graders can play up with the fifth graders. It's amazing the physical size difference of a fourth/fifth grade team playing against pure sixth grade teams.


Actually fifth grade is a little late to specialize in lacs. I've heard through a reliable source that most of the for profit organizations are going to begin teams starting at one year old. They've created a pacifier that doubles as a lacs stick for a small ball. The only requirement is the child needs to be able to take 4 steps without stopping and has to be potty trained so there is no number two going on during practice. Costs will be a little higher than the older girls programs but the early start is almost assurred to result in full college scholarships for all.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/03/11 04:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually fifth grade is a little late to specialize in lacs. I've heard through a reliable source that most of the for profit organizations are going to begin teams starting at one year old. They've created a pacifier that doubles as a lacs stick for a small ball. The only requirement is the child needs to be able to take 4 steps without stopping and has to be potty trained so there is no number two going on during practice. Costs will be a little higher than the older girls programs but the early start is almost assurred to result in full college scholarships for all.
Ummm. This seems like a waste of perfectly good keystrokes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/27/11 01:44 PM
Why weren't today's tryouts cancelled? Many people have preparations. Many people older family members to help. Many people have to evacuate their homes. And asking people to get out and travel on major LI highways is just stupid. Needless to say my daughter will not be there. We will find a club that has some common sense and cares about the player and their families.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/27/11 03:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why weren't today's tryouts cancelled? Many people have preparations. Many people older family members to help. Many people have to evacuate their homes. And asking people to get out and travel on major LI highways is just stupid. Needless to say my daughter will not be there. We will find a club that has some common sense and cares about the player and their families.


I guess they feel they had time to get everything in before storm hits. It is sure to impact the amount of girls that come to their tryouts especially because its there "better" age groups
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/27/11 04:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why weren't today's tryouts cancelled? Many people have preparations. Many people older family members to help. Many people have to evacuate their homes. And asking people to get out and travel on major LI highways is just stupid. Needless to say my daughter will not be there. We will find a club that has some common sense and cares about the player and their families.


I guess they feel they had time to get everything in before storm hits. It is sure to impact the amount of girls that come to their tryouts especially because its there "better" age groups
BOTC has learned that the August 28th (Sunday) tryouts have been postponed.

Those groups that are being asked to tryout on Saturday afternoon after 1:00pm are strongly advised to act with caution when driving. If the Top Guns should reschedule these events and ask BOTC to publish the information, we will certainly help the Long Island community by spreading the word during this weather emergency.

Actually, the surprising piece of information is that this is being held in West Babylon as we thought the school district would have closed access to their property.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/27/11 04:06 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why weren't today's tryouts cancelled? Many people have preparations. Many people older family members to help. Many people have to evacuate their homes. And asking people to get out and travel on major LI highways is just stupid. Needless to say my daughter will not be there. We will find a club that has some common sense and cares about the player and their families.


I guess they feel they had time to get everything in before storm hits. It is sure to impact the amount of girls that come to their tryouts especially because its there "better" age groups
BOTC has learned that the August 28th (Sunday) tryouts have been postponed.

Those groups that are being asked to tryout on Saturday afternoon after 1:00pm are strongly advised to act with caution when driving. If the Top Guns should reschedule these events and ask BOTC to publish the information, we will certainly help the Long Island community by spreading the word during this weather emergency.


THis is what will happen. They will have a low turnout. Hold another tryout later and all of us who show up today will be suckers. Gaurantee they will not make the rosters based on today's tryouts.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/27/11 04:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
THis is what will happen. They will have a low turnout. Hold another tryout later and all of us who show up today will be suckers. Gaurantee they will not make the rosters based on today's tryouts.
To those who attended the morning sessions : Please share the turnout details. BOTC will attempt to get the details on the afternoon action from West Babylon. Be safe should conditions deteriorate this afternoon.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/27/11 04:16 PM
8am-10am about 36 girls 2013 group
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/27/11 05:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
8am-10am about 36 girls 2013 group


Good that age group needs all the help they can get
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/27/11 07:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
8am-10am about 36 girls 2013 group


Good that age group needs all the help they can get

2015 tryouts a joke. 5 coaches standing around watching 1 group. Others doing basically nothing.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/27/11 08:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2015 tryouts a joke. 5 coaches standing around watching 1 group. Others doing basically nothing.
The 2015 group was the 1:30pm tryout (evacuations along the south shore aside). While the weather was not horrific, how many players turned out for this age group?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/27/11 08:21 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2015 tryouts a joke. 5 coaches standing around watching 1 group. Others doing basically nothing.
The 2015 group was the 1:30pm tryout (evacuations along the south shore aside). While the weather was not horrific, how many players turned out for this age group?


You know what will happen - they will have another tryout in a few months. Shd have canceled. How did the 2014 age group do?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/27/11 10:44 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2015 tryouts a joke. 5 coaches standing around watching 1 group. Others doing basically nothing.
The 2015 group was the 1:30pm tryout (evacuations along the south shore aside). While the weather was not horrific, how many players turned out for this age group?

There was a large turnout. I heard about 80 girls. I heard a lot of fooling around, joking and laughing by current TG players. A big turnoff for not TG players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/28/11 12:44 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2015 tryouts a joke. 5 coaches standing around watching 1 group. Others doing basically nothing.
The 2015 group was the 1:30pm tryout (evacuations along the south shore aside). While the weather was not horrific, how many players turned out for this age group?

There was a large turnout. I heard about 80 girls. I heard a lot of fooling around, joking and laughing by current TG players. A big turnoff for not TG players.


Yeah that's what incoming girls want to see...miserable, sad players having no fun at all from the current team, that will really want them to be a part of the team..???
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/28/11 02:58 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2015 tryouts a joke. 5 coaches standing around watching 1 group. Others doing basically nothing.
The 2015 group was the 1:30pm tryout (evacuations along the south shore aside). While the weather was not horrific, how many players turned out for this age group?

There was a large turnout. I heard about 80 girls. I heard a lot of fooling around, joking and laughing by current TG players. A big turnoff for not TG players.


About what I heard: 70 or so girls. My daughter was there. Good reviews from her and my spouse.

As for rescheduling, yes, I'm surprised they didn't, but at the same time nothing is happening and we did our prep Thurs and Fri but I understand not everyone had that opportunity.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/28/11 02:07 PM
actually more like close to 90 players trying out and yes they were laughing and joking around because guess what they really like each other and enjoy playing together! If that doesn't appeal to you then that is not the team you should play for. Our girls actually do like to play lacrosse and have fun.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/28/11 04:07 PM

I admittedly am clueless with tryouts with already established teams, but what is the overall purpose holding tryouts if they have more than adequate roster size. Especially in the oldest groups 2013 and 2014. If the organization has no intention of making more teams, seems pointless, again I'm not experienced with how lacrosse works, know well on the baseball side so I know pretty pointless in the baseball world.
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/28/11 11:10 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2015 tryouts a joke. 5 coaches standing around watching 1 group. Others doing basically nothing.
The 2015 group was the 1:30pm tryout (evacuations along the south shore aside). While the weather was not horrific, how many players turned out for this age group?

There was a large turnout. I heard about 80 girls. I heard a lot of fooling around, joking and laughing by current TG players. A big turnoff for not TG players.


Yeah that's what incoming girls want to see...miserable, sad players having no fun at all from the current team, that will really want them to be a part of the team..???


That wasn't my daughter's take on it at all. My daughter had a good tryout experience.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/29/11 01:05 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2015 tryouts a joke. 5 coaches standing around watching 1 group. Others doing basically nothing.
The 2015 group was the 1:30pm tryout (evacuations along the south shore aside). While the weather was not horrific, how many players turned out for this age group?

There was a large turnout. I heard about 80 girls. I heard a lot of fooling around, joking and laughing by current TG players. A big turnoff for not TG players.


Yeah that's what incoming girls want to see...miserable, sad players having no fun at all from the current team, that will really want them to be a part of the team..???


My daughter takes tryouts very seriously. Shouldn't they all?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/29/11 02:13 PM
I think they all do but they are all friends and happy to see one another. Some real friendships have formed and that is what it is all about. Enjoying yourself and enjoying your team. At least that is what our team is about. Our girls get along very well and while they are there to play lacrosse they have a strong bond as well.Nothing to be upset over but yet wouldn't your daughter love to be a part of that.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/29/11 03:59 PM
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
That wasn't my daughter's take on it at all. My daughter had a good tryout experience.
Thanks for the first hand report, Powderfinger. Despite the weather, the tryouts were surprisingly well attended based on the numbers we are hearing. If there are additional details from Saturday's pre-hurricane events, please feel free to share the details.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/29/11 04:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think they all do but they are all friends and happy to see one another. Some real friendships have formed and that is what it is all about. Enjoying yourself and enjoying your team. At least that is what our team is about. Our girls get along very well and while they are there to play lacrosse they have a strong bond as well.Nothing to be upset over but yet wouldn't your daughter love to be a part of that.


My daughter didn't mention the laughing and joking but said the girls were not friendly...at least no to the girls they didnt know.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/30/11 12:39 PM
well they are 13/14 after all thats teenagers
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/30/11 09:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think they all do but they are all friends and happy to see one another. Some real friendships have formed and that is what it is all about. Enjoying yourself and enjoying your team. At least that is what our team is about. Our girls get along very well and while they are there to play lacrosse they have a strong bond as well.Nothing to be upset over but yet wouldn't your daughter love to be a part of that.


My daughter didn't mention the laughing and joking but said the girls were not friendly...at least no to the girls they didnt know.


Any new group or situation your daughters walks into will be a similar situation, wether it's a new school, new town, new class or new team. It takes time to gel and make new friends with strangers. This was the exact situation my daughter was in last year when she first tried out for top guns. After a practice or two they get to know a couple girls, after a few tournaments, on the road and in the hotels with the team, they make freinds with tons of girls, even from the other teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/30/11 10:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
well they are 13/14 after all thats teenagers
yeah that's a good excuse!! Top gun is supposed to be better than all that, than all those other clubs. Shouldn't the kids they already have on the team be better than that too?
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/31/11 01:22 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
well they are 13/14 after all thats teenagers
yeah that's a good excuse!! Top gun is supposed to be better than all that, than all those other clubs. Shouldn't the kids they already have on the team be better than that too?


Are you kidding? Have you spent much time with young teens? I can guarantee the situation is the same across all clubs for that age group.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/31/11 03:06 AM
Girl's are like that, cliquish. However the tryouts seemed more like a fund raiser for the organization, not a try out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/31/11 11:32 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
well they are 13/14 after all thats teenagers
yeah that's a good excuse!! Top gun is supposed to be better than all that, than all those other clubs. Shouldn't the kids they already have on the team be better than that too?


I see it differently. I see the laughing and fooling around as complacency, as if they knew they were on the team and didn't really have to try. Actually as a bystander it looked that way too and having never seen them play before I was disappointed with the level I saw. Just an observation and opinion.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/31/11 05:48 PM
The tryout was great. We are from another club and the parents of the current players were talking to all the "newbies" and gave us some insight to the club. We sure didn't see any of the negative stuff some have posted on here. Hope it works out for us cause my daughter loved it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/31/11 07:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Girl's are like that, cliquish. However the tryouts seemed more like a fund raiser for the organization, not a try out.


Perfectly said! I was there and that is a great way to describe it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/31/11 08:41 PM
Are the results out yet?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/31/11 09:24 PM
Then again my answer to those is I guess this club isn't for you and you just don't belong. We all get along and have fun if that isn't for you or your daughter.... well don't quite know what else to say
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/31/11 09:25 PM
I'm sure that there are plenty of other teams that you could tryout for then
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/31/11 10:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
well they are 13/14 after all thats teenagers
yeah that's a good excuse!! Top gun is supposed to be better than all that, than all those other clubs. Shouldn't the kids they already have on the team be better than that too?


I see it differently. I see the laughing and fooling around as complacency, as if they knew they were on the team and didn't really have to try. Actually as a bystander it looked that way too and having never seen them play before I was disappointed with the level I saw. Just an observation and opinion.


Shoot, I hope you're wrong because the last thing we want is a team where girls are grandfathered in from the prior year. <frowning>

And to the other poster, no results yet.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 03:52 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
well they are 13/14 after all thats teenagers
yeah that's a good excuse!! Top gun is supposed to be better than all that, than all those other clubs. Shouldn't the kids they already have on the team be better than that too?


I see it differently. I see the laughing and fooling around as complacency, as if they knew they were on the team and didn't really have to try. Actually as a bystander it looked that way too and having never seen them play before I was disappointed with the level I saw. Just an observation and opinion.


On the flip of that opinion, I witnessed a level of play that was extremely high, from the existing girls on the team and was very impressed with many of the new girls trying-out. Just an amazing amount of talent looking to get on board. Don't know how the politics of moving existing players around and/or bringing in new players will go, but we shall soon see. All I can say is that some of the teams were already very strong and all the new talent looking to join puts this club in a great position. Crossing my fingers my daughter makes it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 10:38 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
well they are 13/14 after all thats teenagers
yeah that's a good excuse!! Top gun is supposed to be better than all that, than all those other clubs. Shouldn't the kids they already have on the team be better than that too?


I see it differently. I see the laughing and fooling around as complacency, as if they knew they were on the team and didn't really have to try. Actually as a bystander it looked that way too and having never seen them play before I was disappointed with the level I saw. Just an observation and opinion.


On the flip of that opinion, I witnessed a level of play that was extremely high, from the existing girls on the team and was very impressed with many of the new girls trying-out. Just an amazing amount of talent looking to get on board. Don't know how the politics of moving existing players around and/or bringing in new players will go, but we shall soon see. All I can say is that some of the teams were already very strong and all the new talent looking to join puts this club in a great position. Crossing my fingers my daughter makes it.


I prefer to judge the talent of last year's team by last year's results. My opinion, the talent there was not so great. Not the bottom, but not the top.That said, I believe those who made it were to be contacted by Friday.
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 11:35 AM
Results are out. Mine was in my spam bucket even though previous TG communications came to my inbox.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 01:14 PM
I do not like that they told the kids if you don't hear from us you didn't make it. Not even thanks for trying or put results online.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 01:27 PM
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Results are out. Mine was in my spam bucket even though previous TG communications came to my inbox.

Results may be out for some age groups, certainly not all as try outs are still underway.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 03:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I do not like that they told the kids if you don't hear from us you didn't make it. Not even thanks for trying or put results online.
This seems most unusual. Are you sure that tryout results were not mailed to everyone?

When a $35.00 tryout fee is assessed, shouldn't you expect at least an e-mail with the detailed feedback on your tryout?

Seriously, for the fees being charged, one might even expect a paragraph with some constructive suggestions for the player should they choose to tryout again.

BOTC believes that the entire lacrosse community, not just in this Top Guns thread, can provide a great value-add service in the tryout phase by offering such constructive feedback. If for nothing else, it might help the payer catch on with another program.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 03:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Results are out. Mine was in my spam bucket even though previous TG communications came to my inbox.

Results may be out for some age groups, certainly not all as try outs are still underway.
BOTC was led to believe that additional tryout sessions were still being considered into September.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 03:52 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Results are out. Mine was in my spam bucket even though previous TG communications came to my inbox.

Results may be out for some age groups, certainly not all as try outs are still underway.
BOTC was led to believe that additional tryout sessions were still being considered into September.


my daughter tried out in a tropical sirm. She was clearly told that if she does not receive an email by Friday she did nit make the team. She was put on a tryout team and then at scrimmage time they were told to sub themselves in and left on one side of the field with no one. Needless to say the girls that started played and the subs got on the field for 5 minutes. I don't want to hear that this us an exaggeration. I have nothing to gain by lying just stating facts for others to learn from. My daughter plays fir another club but having heard good thongs about TG we thought we would give it a try. This was our experience.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 04:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
my daughter tried out in a tropical sirm. She was clearly told that if she does not receive an email by Friday she did nit make the team. She was put on a tryout team and then at scrimmage time they were told to sub themselves in and left on one side of the field with no one. Needless to say the girls that started played and the subs got on the field for 5 minutes. I don't want to hear that this us an exaggeration. I have nothing to gain by lying just stating facts for others to learn from. My daughter plays fir another club but having heard good thongs about TG we thought we would give it a try. This was our experience.
Extremely interesting feedback. Certainly, our readers who can confirm of provide alternate observations are welcomed to do so.
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 04:29 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
my daughter tried out in a tropical sirm. She was clearly told that if she does not receive an email by Friday she did nit make the team. She was put on a tryout team and then at scrimmage time they were told to sub themselves in and left on one side of the field with no one. Needless to say the girls that started played and the subs got on the field for 5 minutes. I don't want to hear that this us an exaggeration. I have nothing to gain by lying just stating facts for others to learn from. My daughter plays fir another club but having heard good thongs about TG we thought we would give it a try. This was our experience.
Extremely interesting feedback. Certainly, our readers who can confirm of provide alternate observations are welcomed to do so.


Well, that's crappy. My daughter's group was not handled that way, and that's all she can verify.

I'm pretty sure the results that went out were just for the ages that tried out on Saturday. I mean, that'd have to be all they could do since no other tryouts have yet happened.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 04:40 PM
Our observations, having two boys that played over the years and having experience with tryouts, I knew when we were there, the teams are established, and unless a girl is better than the top performing girl, and I do mean significantly beTter than 80 percent of the current team it was a fund raiser for the organization. After leaving I felt maybe one girl made it out of what I saw. We were also told there would be no email/feedback unless you made the team. Also asked would there be another tryout because of the weather situation, and was told no there would not be any other dates.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 05:12 PM
Daughter tried out last year and was sent an e mail that she did not make the team. The email did contain positive feedback about how competetive the try outs were and that every one who did not make should continue to play and work hard. she now plays for a small club that was competetive at all tournaments and is having a great time.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 07:33 PM
Were there any spots open on the black team? Do you actually think they cut anyone from either team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 07:35 PM
curious if any cuts were made on either team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 07:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Were there any spots open on the black team? Do you actually think they cut anyone from either team?


This is why people have called it a fund raiser. They took your money and had no intention on taking YOU
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 07:54 PM
are you referring to the 2015 black and purple?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 07:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
curious if any cuts were made on either team


If your not winning tournaments and you dont make cuts your just plain dumb or a bad business person. If you dont care about attracting new players and building a business then that is another story.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 08:04 PM
paying $1200 and keeping weak players, call me stupdi
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 08:29 PM
Agreed for those going forward, and this is from YEARS of travel team sports. If the organizations have no intention of forming new teams, tryouts are just a formality for those already on the teams. The girls/boys/parents are just wasting their time/money.

To be fair, (and of course travel teams would not have the benefit of the quick cash flow tryouts garner them, so I SERIOUSLY doubt any travel organization would do this), be upfront and honest with the kids and parents, tell them we have one/two/three positional spots for such and such position that is potentially available. Especially for the kids above the age of 13/14, time matters, and if the organization only is looking for a goalie or an attack etc, well then just advertise for such. In a perfect world.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 08:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
well they are 13/14 after all thats teenagers
yeah that's a good excuse!! Top gun is supposed to be better than all that, than all those other clubs. Shouldn't the kids they already have on the team be better than that too?


I see it differently. I see the laughing and fooling around as complacency, as if they knew they were on the team and didn't really have to try. Actually as a bystander it looked that way too and having never seen them play before I was disappointed with the level I saw. Just an observation and opinion.


On the flip of that opinion, I witnessed a level of play that was extremely high, from the existing girls on the team and was very impressed with many of the new girls trying-out. Just an amazing amount of talent looking to get on board. Don't know how the politics of moving existing players around and/or bringing in new players will go, but we shall soon see. All I can say is that some of the teams were already very strong and all the new talent looking to join puts this club in a great position. Crossing my fingers my daughter makes it.


It would be helpful to know which grade/year
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 08:36 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Results are out. Mine was in my spam bucket even though previous TG communications came to my inbox.

Results may be out for some age groups, certainly not all as try outs are still underway.
BOTC was led to believe that additional tryout sessions were still being considered into September.

I think today and Sat are last tryouts
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 08:37 PM
Don't forget attrition. Kids move on to other clubs or just quit lacrosse. Players don't neccessarily have to be cut to make room. That said, in a perfect world the most suited players would make the team, regardless of last year. This isn't a perfect world though. The 2010 roster is on the TG website. I suppose you could wait for the 2011 roster to be published and compare.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 10:12 PM
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Don't forget attrition. Kids move on to other clubs or just quit lacrosse. Players don't neccessarily have to be cut to make room. That said, in a perfect world the most suited players would make the team, regardless of last year. This isn't a perfect world though. The 2010 roster is on the TG website. I suppose you could wait for the 2011 roster to be published and compare.


It doesnt look any different than last year except maybe they added one or two players
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/01/11 11:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Don't forget attrition. Kids move on to other clubs or just quit lacrosse. Players don't neccessarily have to be cut to make room. That said, in a perfect world the most suited players would make the team, regardless of last year. This isn't a perfect world though. The 2010 roster is on the TG website. I suppose you could wait for the 2011 roster to be published and compare.


It doesnt look any different than last year except maybe they added one or two players


They haven't updated the rosters yet.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/02/11 12:36 AM
My daughter tried out for the 2017 team. There were approximately 60+ girls at the tryout and the coaches seemed well organized and paying close attention. The try-outs lasted 2 hours and the girls worked hard the entire time. They seemed to be very fair and paid attention to all of the groups. I know that girls that were on the black team last year were moved to purple team this year. I think this organization did a great job, especially doing the try-outs early and outside allowing for better assessment of the girls.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/02/11 10:04 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My daughter tried out for the 2017 team. There were approximately 60+ girls at the tryout and the coaches seemed well organized and paying close attention. The try-outs lasted 2 hours and the girls worked hard the entire time. They seemed to be very fair and paid attention to all of the groups. I know that girls that were on the black team last year were moved to purple team this year. I think this organization did a great job, especially doing the try-outs early and outside allowing for better assessment of the girls.


2017 is pretty young. teams will change over the next few years so it may be more important to them to try to get the best ones hooked now.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/03/11 12:51 AM
For those who followed the Top Guns summer camps or coaching action, the following press release will be very heartwarming information - particularly after the U/15 national championships.

NU's Smith WSF Sportswoman of the Year Finalist

EVANSTON, Ill. -- Rising Northwestern lacrosse senior Shannon Smith (West Babylon, N.Y./West Babylon) has been selected by the Women's Sports Foundation as one of 10 female candidates from all sports and from around the globe for the organization's Sportswoman of the Year honor.

Each year, the Women's Sports Foundation -- founded in 1974 by tennis legend Billie Jean King -- recognizes an individual sport athlete and team sport athlete whose performances over a 12-month time span have been exceptional. Past winners include Venus and Serena Williams, Nastia Liukin, Jessica Mendoza and Jackie Joyner-Kersee.

For the first time, voting for the award is being conducted partially through an online vote hosted by Facebook. To cast a vote for Smith, fans can visit Facebook.com/WomensSportsFoundation, browse the photo albums for Team Sport Athlete finalists and simply "like" the photo of their choice. Fans are permitted one vote in each album, team and individual. Those who do not utilize Facebook can review nominees' bios at www.WomensSportsFoundation.org and e-mail with their votes.

Winners will be determined by a combination of the public vote (50 percent) and the Women's Sports Foundation's Awards Committee's vote (50 percent). The winners will be the two athletes -- one individual finalist and one team finalist -- who receive the highest combined share of the public vote and the Awards Committee's vote.

The top three finalists in each of the categories will be invited to attend the Annual Salute to Women in Sports Awards Gala, where the Sportswoman of the Year Award recipients will be announced and honored.

Among the nominees in Smith's team sport category are USA women's soccer standout Abby Wambach and WNBA superstar Maya Moore, along with: Luciana Aymar (Argentina, field hockey), Annika Dries (USA, water polo), Meghan Duggan (USA, ice hockey), Juliana Felisberta/Larissa Franca (Brazil, beach volleyball), Sandra Kiriasis (Germany, bobsled), Anette Norberg (Sweden, curling) and Stacy Sykora (USA, volleyball).

After leading Division I women's lacrosse in points from wire to wire in the regular season, Smith raised her game to another level in the postseason as she willed Northwestern to a seventh-straight ALC championship and eventually its sixth NCAA championship in seven years. She scored at least four goals in all six postseason games for NU -- including five in each of the first four -- and came up with the game-winning goals in an 11-10 semifinal win over North Carolina as well as in a thrilling 8-7 victory over No. 1 Maryland for the national title.

Her 18 goals during the NCAA tournament -- second-most all-time for one player in the national tournament -- netted her NCAA Championship MVP honors and allowed her to break the Northwestern single-season goals record with 86. Her 128 points on the year rank as the second-best total ever by a Wildcat and seventh-best in Division I women's lacrosse history.

Winner of the Tewaaraton Award and Lacrosse Honda Sports Award, Smith also took home the Suzy Favor Award as Big Ten Female Athlete of the Year for 2010-11.

The Women's Sports Foundation is dedicated to advancing the lives of girls and women through sports and physical activity, providing scholarships and grants to aspiring athletes. The group funds groundbreaking research and public awareness campaigns, organizing programs in cities across the country.
Posted By: Jennifer Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/03/11 01:55 AM
Did your daughter tell you she was told to sub herself in? There was definitely a plan and the subbing was obviously well thought out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/03/11 10:22 AM
Originally Posted by Jennifer
Did your daughter tell you she was told to sub herself in? There was definitely a plan and the subbing was obviously well thought out.


There did seem to be a plan at tryout for the select. My daughter was told "sub yourselves in" they were not given positions, girls took the ones they wanted. The current TG girls marked each other and the new girls were left. My daughter has a friend who had the same experience.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/03/11 12:27 PM
I agree with you but I have another comment. I don't know where you were at the 2017 tryout but it was very obvious to me and the group I was with that the existing team members with the purple on were definitely being played while other kids were "subs". Almost like they knew where their starters were going to be and wanted to see how the kids would measure up. I am new to travel so I don't know if this is "normal" for a tryout. My daughter played for a travel program last year but was asked to participate. I am glad they are taking two teams so that many will have an opportunity to play for Top Guns. I hear good things about them!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/03/11 01:50 PM
Telling girls that age to sub themselves in during a try-out is ridiculous and makes it seem like they may not have had enough help at the try-out. Having the new girls play against the previous years girls is not that uncommon but they should also get a chance to mix things up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/03/11 02:53 PM
If one is truly evaluating, you will not leave it up to kids to sub themselves in, telling the subs to do it themselves at this age tells me that they weren't even evaluating the new ones. If one has experience coaching/working with this age group, knowing new kids will not be assertive you are leaving the entire tryouts a waste of time for these kids. You would know having enough to evaluate is not the problem, a seasoned coach/evaluator can handle it easily.
We were at one of the "Crooked Arrow" auditions for kids and they did a better job evaluating 70 kids per age group.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/03/11 03:20 PM
I went to try outs for two age groups and girls were not left to sub themselves in. The scrimmages were definately divided into groups based upon skill level determined by the skill drills leading into the scrimmage. Girls on the bubble appeared to be pitted in and with existing team members. My daughter was put in a scrimmage obviously playing for a spot on the b team, being honest with myself, that's where she belonged, and I'm glad to let her play there, develope and try to move up over the next year or two. Some parents seemed to be beside themselves that their daughters were not scrimmaging in the group which was obviously the A team. Just for feedback purposes I felt the tryout for the teams I saw were extremely well run and fair,they did a good job placing the talent levels in the scrimmages.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/03/11 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Telling girls that age to sub themselves in during a try-out is ridiculous and makes it seem like they may not have had enough help at the try-out. Having the new girls play against the previous years girls is not that uncommon but they should also get a chance to mix things up.


One evluation model often used at try outs uses existing players as known quantities, a baseline so to speak. It sounds funny but a girl with exceptional skills and abilities may get early looks from the evaluators where the descision to put her on the team gets made early. They may then spend more time concetrating on other players that need a closer look. Of course the opposite is true too, where players that are not going to make the teams become apparent early and get set aside. Unfortunately some kids who don't have the lacrosse skills,usually newer players, sometimes are just good atheletes and just may get pushed aside. Also some kids are gamers, where they just light up under real game conditions, this is hard to judge at try outs and is why viewing a player under real game conditions is best. Not and option in this case.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/03/11 06:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I went to try outs for two age groups and girls were not left to sub themselves in. The scrimmages were definately divided into groups based upon skill level determined by the skill drills leading into the scrimmage. Girls on the bubble appeared to be pitted in and with existing team members. My daughter was put in a scrimmage obviously playing for a spot on the b team, being honest with myself, that's where she belonged, and I'm glad to let her play there, develope and try to move up over the next year or two. Some parents seemed to be beside themselves that their daughters were not scrimmaging in the group which was obviously the A team. Just for feedback purposes I felt the tryout for the teams I saw were extremely well run and fair,they did a good job placing the talent levels in the scrimmages.


Absolutely wrong. When my daughter checked in she was given a team number which was used to set up teams for scrimmaging. It had nothing to do with the station work.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/03/11 06:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Telling girls that age to sub themselves in during a try-out is ridiculous and makes it seem like they may not have had enough help at the try-out. Having the new girls play against the previous years girls is not that uncommon but they should also get a chance to mix things up.


One evluation model often used at try outs uses existing players as known quantities, a baseline so to speak. It sounds funny but a girl with exceptional skills and abilities may get early looks from the evaluators where the descision to put her on the team gets made early. They may then spend more time concetrating on other players that need a closer look. Of course the opposite is true too, where players that are not going to make the teams become apparent early and get set aside. Unfortunately some kids who don't have the lacrosse skills,usually newer players, sometimes are just good atheletes and just may get pushed aside. Also some kids are gamers, where they just light up under real game conditions, this is hard to judge at try outs and is why viewing a player under real game conditions is best. Not and option in this case.


I agree, if you start out bad you may not get another look. I can only speak for my daughter. She has played on a top club for 3 summers. There she plays on the 2nd of 4 teams. I watched only the shuttles. She did miss a pass, one that was 4 feet above her head. She said she did well in the stations, at least as good as others but then was told to sub herself in during the scrimmage an got 5 minutes of play which I did see. She marked a girl who never went to goal, never received a pass so she maybe didn't look so good. The current players only passed to themselves. It really is no big deal. I see it as their loss but think people should know how this club set up a nice fundraiser for themselves.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/03/11 08:32 PM
what about girls that arent even of age yet playing? I mean if they don't have a team for your age group, just wait until you're old enough. One team had a third grader playing on a fifth grade team last year. Really? why take the spot away from a fifth grader to give to a third grader. I don't care how good the kid is.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/03/11 10:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I went to try outs for two age groups and girls were not left to sub themselves in. The scrimmages were definately divided into groups based upon skill level determined by the skill drills leading into the scrimmage. Girls on the bubble appeared to be pitted in and with existing team members. My daughter was put in a scrimmage obviously playing for a spot on the b team, being honest with myself, that's where she belonged, and I'm glad to let her play there, develope and try to move up over the next year or two. Some parents seemed to be beside themselves that their daughters were not scrimmaging in the group which was obviously the A team. Just for feedback purposes I felt the tryout for the teams I saw were extremely well run and fair,they did a good job placing the talent levels in the scrimmages.


Absolutely wrong. When my daughter checked in she was given a team number which was used to set up teams for scrimmaging. It had nothing to do with the station work.


A jersey number, team and station were given to the girls upon check in. This was soley for seting them up through the stations for evaluation. If you noticed at the begining of the scrimmage all girls were called to center field and individually sent to a scrimmage team, which was absolutely decided from the station play. Either that or they have esp because the talent level difference between the two different scrimmages was drastic.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/03/11 10:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what about girls that arent even of age yet playing? I mean if they don't have a team for your age group, just wait until you're old enough. One team had a third grader playing on a fifth grade team last year. Really? why take the spot away from a fifth grader to give to a third grader. I don't care how good the kid is.

Good for her!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/03/11 11:19 PM
Heard they moved and cut girls who playrd for them last year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/03/11 11:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what about girls that arent even of age yet playing? I mean if they don't have a team for your age group, just wait until you're old enough. One team had a third grader playing on a fifth grade team last year. Really? why take the spot away from a fifth grader to give to a third grader. I don't care how good the kid is.


Real classy......Nice job singling out this girl. When you post anonymous you should keep other people anonymous too.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/04/11 12:09 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I went to try outs for two age groups and girls were not left to sub themselves in. The scrimmages were definately divided into groups based upon skill level determined by the skill drills leading into the scrimmage. Girls on the bubble appeared to be pitted in and with existing team members. My daughter was put in a scrimmage obviously playing for a spot on the b team, being honest with myself, that's where she belonged, and I'm glad to let her play there, develope and try to move up over the next year or two. Some parents seemed to be beside themselves that their daughters were not scrimmaging in the group which was obviously the A team. Just for feedback purposes I felt the tryout for the teams I saw were extremely well run and fair,they did a good job placing the talent levels in the scrimmages.


My daughter was in the scrimmage on the main field and they werectold to sub themselves in
Absolutely wrong. When my daughter checked in she was given a team number which was used to set up teams for scrimmaging. It had nothing to do with the station work.


A jersey number, team and station were given to the girls upon check in. This was soley for seting them up through the stations for evaluation. If you noticed at the begining of the scrimmage all girls were called to center field and individually sent to a scrimmage team, which was absolutely decided from the station play. Either that or they have esp because the talent level difference between the two different scrimmages was drastic.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/04/11 11:35 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I went to try outs for two age groups and girls were not left to sub themselves in. The scrimmages were definately divided into groups based upon skill level determined by the skill drills leading into the scrimmage. Girls on the bubble appeared to be pitted in and with existing team members. My daughter was put in a scrimmage obviously playing for a spot on the b team, being honest with myself, that's where she belonged, and I'm glad to let her play there, develope and try to move up over the next year or two. Some parents seemed to be beside themselves that their daughters were not scrimmaging in the group which was obviously the A team. Just for feedback purposes I felt the tryout for the teams I saw were extremely well run and fair,they did a good job placing the talent levels in the scrimmages.


My daughter was in the scrimmage on the main field and they werectold to sub themselves in
Absolutely wrong. When my daughter checked in she was given a team number which was used to set up teams for scrimmaging. It had nothing to do with the station work.


A jersey number, team and station were given to the girls upon check in. This was soley for seting them up through the stations for evaluation. If you noticed at the begining of the scrimmage all girls were called to center field and individually sent to a scrimmage team, which was absolutely decided from the station play. Either that or they have esp because the talent level difference between the two different scrimmages was drastic.


How could you tell there was a difference the fields were so far apart. Did you walk around in the pouring rain and watch?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/04/11 12:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what about girls that arent even of age yet playing? I mean if they don't have a team for your age group, just wait until you're old enough. One team had a third grader playing on a fifth grade team last year. Really? why take the spot away from a fifth grader to give to a third grader. I don't care how good the kid is.


There is no harm in trying out. If a fifth grader gets cut because a third grader is better then so be it. That third grader probably is exceptional and they want her to continue with this program rather that make another club (which she would) and possibly lose her.

On another note...it seems that the 2019 team has two teams this year and no one was cut. Looks like the Purple team may have alot of underage kids. Are they good enough or are they just filling out a roster? If my fifth grader was assigned to the purple team, I'd definitely want to find out the makeup of the team and decide if it is worth it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/04/11 01:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I went to try outs for two age groups and girls were not left to sub themselves in. The scrimmages were definately divided into groups based upon skill level determined by the skill drills leading into the scrimmage. Girls on the bubble appeared to be pitted in and with existing team members. My daughter was put in a scrimmage obviously playing for a spot on the b team, being honest with myself, that's where she belonged, and I'm glad to let her play there, develope and try to move up over the next year or two. Some parents seemed to be beside themselves that their daughters were not scrimmaging in the group which was obviously the A team. Just for feedback purposes I felt the tryout for the teams I saw were extremely well run and fair,they did a good job placing the talent levels in the scrimmages.


My daughter was in the scrimmage on the main field and they werectold to sub themselves in
Absolutely wrong. When my daughter checked in she was given a team number which was used to set up teams for scrimmaging. It had nothing to do with the station work.


A jersey number, team and station were given to the girls upon check in. This was soley for seting them up through the stations for evaluation. If you noticed at the begining of the scrimmage all girls were called to center field and individually sent to a scrimmage team, which was absolutely decided from the station play. Either that or they have esp because the talent level difference between the two different scrimmages was drastic.


How could you tell there was a difference the fields were so far apart. Did you walk around in the pouring rain and watch?


Problem here is everyone is talking about different try-outs. Let's not forget there were like seven or so different age groups and I'm sure all were set-up and handled differently.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/04/11 01:51 PM
Does anyone know if the emails went out yet for all the tryout results?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/04/11 02:39 PM
Yes, I believe all were sent out to those who made teams except those who tried out yesterday.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/04/11 02:47 PM
I guess we'll have to disagree on the age topic. And if they're worried about losing a third grader, how about losing the fifth grader whose self esteem takes a nose dive because a third grader takes her spot on the team. And I know there are 2020 girls on the new 2019 teams, again, what's the rush with these parents? Except to just constantly tell us all that their girls play up because they're just that good. I have high schoolers and what these parents don't understand is that eventually most girls that were shining starts as third graders usually just blend in with the rest as they get older, and those are usually the parents that complain to the varsity coach when they're kid isnt brought up as a 7th grader or 8th grader.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/04/11 02:52 PM

what about girls that arent even of age yet playing? I mean if they don't have a team for your age group, just wait until you're old enough. One team had a third grader playing on a fifth grade team last year. Really? why take the spot away from a fifth grader to give to a third grader. I don't care how good the kid is
The child you are talking about has older sisters that play on TG teams so playing for other organizations would make it difficult to get the kid to the different tournaments.If she is good enough to make the team so be it.I also believe the child was the age of a 4th grader so really only playing up 1 year which is fairly common.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/04/11 02:53 PM
what are you talking about...class? There are people on this board looking for information about the program, I wasn't singling out anyone...just stating a fact. That fact being that even if your child is trying out for her grade level there are situations where there are younger girls on the team. And that was the only team I had heard of that had a younger girls, maybe they have that in the older grades also.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/04/11 04:46 PM
My understanding as a parent of a TG 2017 player is that the Purple team is new and yes, a handful of Black players will be moved to purple as there were a few very talented new players at the tryout who will be selected for Black. The Purple team should be strong as well, there were no weak players last year. Bottom line- keep your daughters involved in sports year round as they are approaching a very impressionable age. Good luck to all of the girls!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/04/11 05:39 PM
How do you know?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/05/11 01:15 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what about girls that arent even of age yet playing? I mean if they don't have a team for your age group, just wait until you're old enough. One team had a third grader playing on a fifth grade team last year. Really? why take the spot away from a fifth grader to give to a third grader. I don't care how good the kid is.


There is no harm in trying out. If a fifth grader gets cut because a third grader is better then so be it. That third grader probably is exceptional and they want her to continue with this program rather that make another club (which she would) and possibly lose her.

On another note...it seems that the 2019 team has two teams this year and no one was cut. Looks like the Purple team may have alot of underage kids. Are they good enough or are they just filling out a roster? If my fifth grader was assigned to the purple team, I'd definitely want to find out the makeup of the team and decide if it is worth it.


I agree with you 100%. if the third grader has the talent to be on the team, why on earth would you not let her??? If the fifth grader wasn't as good as the third grader, too bad, why would you choose her over the third grader??? Playing up is great for the developement of these kids, why waste your kids talent if she is playing at a level way beyond her age.
As for the 2019 underage roster. It isn't posted yet. Do you have inside knowledge of mass quantities of underaged kids? I know from tournament experience that many clubs and teams put together rosters with girls all the way down to kindergarden in the early age brackets. While I agree that is ridiculus, I think that reaching down a year or two and picking up a very talented third or forth grader is perfectly acceptable.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/05/11 01:28 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

what about girls that arent even of age yet playing? I mean if they don't have a team for your age group, just wait until you're old enough. One team had a third grader playing on a fifth grade team last year. Really? why take the spot away from a fifth grader to give to a third grader. I don't care how good the kid is
The child you are talking about has older sisters that play on TG teams so playing for other organizations would make it difficult to get the kid to the different tournaments.If she is good enough to make the team so be it.I also believe the child was the age of a 4th grader so really only playing up 1 year

which is fairly common.


Sounds like politics to me
Posted By: laxdad Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/05/11 10:08 PM
As a parent of a 2019 player and whose daughter attended her first tryout for a travel lax team, I was very impressed by the way the try out was run. When it came time to to scrimmage, Coach Levy blew the whistle at regular intervals and the other coaches managed the subs. My personal feeling is that, at the tryout I attended, the decision for placemnt for most girls was made at the stations and the scrimmage was for the bubble girls.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/06/11 04:42 AM
can't wait to see the rosters, nonE are on sight! Anyone know when we will get this information?Also, do they play winter lax> If so where? MY niece will be playing, not sure where in West babylon the team turns out of? Way to go Billy, looks like you have your hands full. I'll be WITH the old silverhared guy with the red cups..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/06/11 01:51 PM
my point is why a parent would even have their third grader or whatever age the child is try out? If it's a 2015 team, if you're daughter is a 2018 child, why are you having your daughter try out for the team. It's youth lacrosse...these are the same caliber of parents that insist their child is too good to play with their age level so they have to play one or two grades up. Oh, and the challenging issue...please. You realize we're talking about eight year olds. If they're THAT good that they can't be challenged by their peers, have your superstar put the stick in her weaker hand. What happens when the older team she played for for years ages out, then what, she just hops down to the team she should have been playing for all along? and takes a spot from that team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/06/11 08:50 PM
Originally Posted by laxdad
As a parent of a 2019 player and whose daughter attended her first tryout for a travel lax team, I was very impressed by the way the try out was run. When it came time to to scrimmage, Coach Levy blew the whistle at regular intervals and the other coaches managed the subs. My personal feeling is that, at the tryout I attended, the decision for placemnt for most girls was made at the stations and the scrimmage was for the bubble girls.


Go to a Yellow Jacket tryout. You will be amazed at the level of talent.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/06/11 09:54 PM
The girl you keep talking about was on the youngest level TG team .As stated previously she has sisters that play on older teams making the choice to play for a TG team easy.In your opinion she should just sit at those tournaments and watch her sisters play even thou she is talented enough to play .You seem to be the type of parent that gets jealous anytime a child of exceptional ability shows you your own childs limitations.Must make you angry when some kid starts ahead of your own child.Stop worrying about everyone else and worry about your own kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/06/11 11:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by laxdad
As a parent of a 2019 player and whose daughter attended her first tryout for a travel lax team, I was very impressed by the way the try out was run. When it came time to to scrimmage, Coach Levy blew the whistle at regular intervals and the other coaches managed the subs. My personal feeling is that, at the tryout I attended, the decision for placemnt for most girls was made at the stations and the scrimmage was for the bubble girls.


Go to a Yellow Jacket tryout. You will be amazed at the level of talent.


Also, the 2019 yellow jacket coach is excellent!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/07/11 01:29 AM
I've had three of mine on the sideline watching their sister play until it was their time.
It was a great family experience as well. And although my one was asked to even warm up with her sister's team, I declined because it was her sister's team and there was no reason for it. She wasnt going to fall behind by sittting out and waiting until she was old enough to tryout which she did two years later
Years later and now plays in high school. So jealousy? Not at all. I've been around sports my whole life, way before the big youth madness. Do you really believe kids wouldnt choose to play with their own age and friends unless their parents were whispering in their ears that theyre too good and need to play with the older girls? Just my opinion which is what i thought these boards were for.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/07/11 01:31 AM
Oh, and my comment about playing up was just fact of how the organization is run, not to single out anyone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/07/11 10:57 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by laxdad
As a parent of a 2019 player and whose daughter attended her first tryout for a travel lax team, I was very impressed by the way the try out was run. When it came time to to scrimmage, Coach Levy blew the whistle at regular intervals and the other coaches managed the subs. My personal feeling is that, at the tryout I attended, the decision for placemnt for most girls was made at the stations and the scrimmage was for the bubble girls.


Go to a Yellow Jacket tryout. You will be amazed at the level of talent.


Also, the 2019 yellow jacket coach is excellent!!

The YJ 2019 coach is a nut! and will have a YJ director holding his hand this year, he must change his apersona or he is out!
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/07/11 11:40 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Also, the 2019 yellow jacket coach is excellent!!
The YJ 2019 coach is a nut! and will have a YJ director holding his hand this year, he must change his apersona or he is out!
This thread is for discussion covering the Top Guns program as opposed to passing opinion on another program's coaches - either positive or negative. Let's stay on topic please.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/07/11 01:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by laxdad
As a parent of a 2019 player and whose daughter attended her first tryout for a travel lax team, I was very impressed by the way the try out was run. When it came time to to scrimmage, Coach Levy blew the whistle at regular intervals and the other coaches managed the subs. My personal feeling is that, at the tryout I attended, the decision for placemnt for most girls was made at the stations and the scrimmage was for the bubble girls.


Go to a Yellow Jacket tryout. You will be amazed at the level of talent.


Also, the 2019 yellow jacket coach is excellent!!

The YJ 2019 coach is a nut! and will have a YJ director holding his hand this year, he must change his apersona or he is out!


You've got the wrong team. You are thinking about the 2018 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/07/11 04:56 PM
If you do not believe that playing at a younger age is an advantage later on then why did you have your children start at such a young age.Further why do feel the need to knock the parents who push their kids to excel, I for one have nothing but respect for the amount of time many of these parents put in with their children.Check the rosters for the yj 2019 team many 2020 kids on the team but you do not seem to mind. Matter of fact almost all travel lacrosse teams have some kids of younger ages at their lowest age level.Bottem line if the kid is good enough to make the team so be it.Must drive you crazy when an academically gifted child gets moved up a grade or takes more advanced classes
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/07/11 08:25 PM
Mine started in 7th grade and both doing great. I hope your daughter lives up to all your expectations.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/07/11 08:30 PM
There is no 2020 team! If there's a team for your age you should play on that team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/07/11 09:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
can't wait to see the rosters, nonE are on sight! Anyone know when we will get this information?Also, do they play winter lax> If so where? MY niece will be playing, not sure where in West babylon the team turns out of? Way to go Billy, looks like you have your hands full. I'll be WITH the old silverhared guy with the red cups..


Nice Jim! I will join you, I think the rosters will be up soon, he was waiting to hear from a few who were without power.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/07/11 10:28 PM
I hope your daughters exceed yours
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/07/11 11:50 PM
At least two teams played at that indoor place in Mt. Sinai (I thinkI) last year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/09/11 09:13 PM
Does anyone know when they are going to post hte rosters for the 2012 tryouts I thought they would be up by now
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/09/11 10:06 PM
They don't require a payment to be made until 9/12, so maybe they will wait til then.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/09/11 10:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know when they are going to post hte rosters for the 2012 tryouts I thought they would be up by now


I would imagine they would not post a full roster until everyone confirmed and paid?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/10/11 01:09 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know when they are going to post hte rosters for the 2012 tryouts I thought they would be up by now


I would imagine they would not post a full roster until everyone confirmed and paid?


you will not have a complete roster until YJ tryouts are done. Many will pay but leave when/if the make YJ.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/10/11 01:56 AM
so they will pay the 200 dollars and if they make the yellow jackets will forfeit the 200 dollars to play for them that doesnt make sense to me.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/10/11 02:07 AM
my daughter played on the 2017 top gun team last year and tried out again this year and made the black team again i heard there were a lot of changes made.My daughter made alot of friends from last years team and i know she is going to be upset not playing with some girls.I tried to explain to her that there will be always changes to make the team better and that it could be you next year. That u have to always keep praticing to get better.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/10/11 04:13 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so they will pay the 200 dollars and if they make the yellow jackets will forfeit the 200 dollars to play for them that doesnt make sense to me.

Does it really make a differrence if you pay $1400 OR $1600? fOR $200 it's worth it to hedge your bet.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/10/11 10:54 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so they will pay the 200 dollars and if they make the yellow jackets will forfeit the 200 dollars to play for them that doesnt make sense to me.

Does it really make a differrence if you pay $1400 OR $1600? fOR $200 it's worth it to hedge your bet.


Or maybe your daughter makes top guns balck, then has no intrest in trying out for yj blue, that's where we're at. Funny talkking to another parent about the tg tryouts, his daughter made the purple team, they are declining convinced she will try out and make yj blue. I am nearly positive this won't happen and she will be playing a team or two down on yj's. I think most of the players who tryout and make tg black are happy to be on the team and are not looking to just hold a spot holding out for yj. It is the players who didn't make tg black, taking another shot at yj try outs, perhaps trying to grab a spot on yj blue as an upgrade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/10/11 01:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so they will pay the 200 dollars and if they make the yellow jackets will forfeit the 200 dollars to play for them that doesnt make sense to me.

Does it really make a differrence if you pay $1400 OR $1600? fOR $200 it's worth it to hedge your bet.


That's called burning bridges. When your daughter commits, teams are formed, other girls interested in a spot on the team are let go, coaches hired, arrangements made based on this comitment. IMO nobody will do that. You have to roll the dice, if you are offered a position on any team, either you accept and that's it, or decline and try your luck somewhere else. Luckily my daughter made it on her desired team, so she doesn't have to worry about it, but. We/ she would never accept a spot on a team then bail, your affecting other players around you if you do that. With that said I'm sure someone, somewhere will pull that move, that's something others observe and it follows you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/10/11 03:31 PM
Its done all the time in the boy world of travel sports, so I don't doubt it will happen in the girl world.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/10/11 03:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so they will pay the 200 dollars and if they make the yellow jackets will forfeit the 200 dollars to play for them that doesnt make sense to me.

Does it really make a differrence if you pay $1400 OR $1600? fOR $200 it's worth it to hedge your bet.


That's called burning bridges. When your daughter commits, teams are formed, other girls interested in a spot on the team are let go, coaches hired, arrangements made based on this comitment. IMO nobody will do that. You have to roll the dice, if you are offered a position on any team, either you accept and that's it, or decline and try your luck somewhere else. Luckily my daughter made it on her desired team, so she doesn't have to worry about it, but. We/ she would never accept a spot on a team then bail, your affecting other players around you if you do that. With that said I'm sure someone, somewhere will pull that move, that's something others observe and it follows you.


My daughter is heading off to college afer playing YJ blue for the past 3 years. This happens every year. Parents do pay 200 to hold the spot and if they make better they jump ship. So beware, you kids team may get worse!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/11/11 01:46 PM
As I look at college lists posted by YJ I am also better off playing on a YJ Gold team rather than a TG team that has no past experience with recruitment and commitments.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/11/11 02:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As I look at college lists posted by YJ I am also better off playing on a YJ Gold team rather than a TG team that has no past experience with recruitment and commitments.

I wonder if the paid recuitment service," not officially affilated with yj's" would allow or accept players from other teams, and how that would work out. Anyone with experience with using this service from outside the yj organization?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/15/11 04:26 PM
Looks like we'll find out soon enough about whether Parents have put down $200 to secure a spot and tryout for YJ anyway. The tryouts for their younger girls is Dec 4th. That second payment for Top Guns is almost due...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/16/11 09:24 PM
i play for top guns, my mother and father are not agressive, thanks vvery much makes me feel good. my parents actually dont yell at the officals as other parents do. someones parents on yellow jackets yelled at me while i was playing and said " you suck and so does your travel team, what are you playing, softball?" I have nothing against yellow jackets at all. They have many good players and have a very good program, I was just putting it out there. From, A Long Island Top Guns Player
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/19/11 07:15 PM
whoa whoa whoa, i dont know what arge bracket you are from but i rarely ever hear the yj parents yell derogatory comments at OTHER teams. yelling at their kids i can understand but not at other players. coming from a top guns player....just putting that out there
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/19/11 07:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
i play for top guns, my mother and father are not agressive, thanks vvery much makes me feel good. my parents actually dont yell at the officals as other parents do. someones parents on yellow jackets yelled at me while i was playing and said " you suck and so does your travel team, what are you playing, softball?" I have nothing against yellow jackets at all. They have many good players and have a very good program, I was just putting it out there. From, A Long Island Top Guns Player
Unlikely that this was said while you were on the field listening for sideline chatter that other parents would not have heard, unlikely that a player contributed to the BOTC message board, and unlikely that a player would change the subject from the Top Guns to the Yellow Jackets. Conclusion : Unlikely that this is grounded in reality.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/28/11 07:53 PM
Does anybody know when they are posting rosters?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/28/11 08:41 PM
No,I Thought they would be posted by now i dont know what the hold up is
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/28/11 09:25 PM
They got so my money so fast this year I figure it would be up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/28/11 10:41 PM
There is a practice scheduled in early November, I would imagine that they wouldn't post anything till that date gets a little closer.

No reason to post it any sooner and give any advantage to other clubs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/29/11 01:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They got so my money so fast this year I figure it would be up.


So did they collect the annual fee before telling people what team they were on? That's a little odd.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/29/11 05:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They got so my money so fast this year I figure it would be up.


So did they collect the annual fee before telling people what team they were on? That's a little odd.


That would be odd, but that's not what they did. They sent out e-mails inviting girls to each individual team, so the girls who acceptted know what team they are on. They just haven't posted the full team rosters to the public yet. Most of the girls on each team are friends with each other and know who's in and who's out. Many may not know of new players coming in unless they are friends with them outside of the club. I can think of many pro and cons of making rosters public, especially prior to many other club's try-outs. So for whatever reason rosters have not been posted, it doesn't bother me one bit. The girls who were asked to join the team know who they are, nobody else really needs to know if that is they way they choose to do it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/29/11 07:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They got so my money so fast this year I figure it would be up.


So did they collect the annual fee before telling people what team they were on? That's a little odd.


That would be odd, but that's not what they did. They sent out e-mails inviting girls to each individual team, so the girls who acceptted know what team they are on. They just haven't posted the full team rosters to the public yet. Most of the girls on each team are friends with each other and know who's in and who's out. Many may not know of new players coming in unless they are friends with them outside of the club. I can think of many pro and cons of making rosters public, especially prior to many other club's try-outs. So for whatever reason rosters have not been posted, it doesn't bother me one bit. The girls who were asked to join the team know who they are, nobody else really needs to know if that is they way they choose to do it.

Agreed, some girls may be coming from other clubs that have not held tryouts yet and Top Guns may be respecting their privacy. Just curious-do all teams post rosters?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/29/11 07:44 PM
No Advantage but they may Jump ship if they make another top team!!

last year they waited until after YJ is over!!

Dont hold breath for those rosters
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/29/11 08:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No Advantage but they may Jump ship if they make another top team!!

last year they waited until after YJ is over!!

Dont hold breath for those rosters


This also gives kids who made the B teams, a chance to try out for higher teams on other clubs. If they don't make that, then they may decide to come back a B teamer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/29/11 09:32 PM
Or when kids dont make yj blue they come to topguns
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/29/11 11:17 PM
[quote=Anonymous]Or when kids dont make yj blue they come to topguns [/quot

BOTC has set up a thread just for yj's.Oobnoxious yj parents should post your comments there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/30/11 02:03 AM
Thanks for the info on the yj board-I am a tg parent. Why is that comment offensive to you? Apparently the poster before me wrote the exact same thing yet you choose to single out my post...it is what it is. Maybe girls who didnt make tg top team will jump over to yjs. So what? Its great people have options. These debates on here are entertaining but no one will ever win. What I see here is just club bashing and seems quite silly to me.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/30/11 02:40 PM
I wish the Topguns were playing in a few of the fall tournaments...the summer is a long way away
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/30/11 03:18 PM
Yeah but at least we have 2 winter leagues to do.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/30/11 05:49 PM
You call playing at inline against town teams good for a travel team .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/30/11 05:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wish the Topguns were playing in a few of the fall tournaments...the summer is a long way away


Many of the travel teams at this level have players with parents who are coaches or who have coached on a town level. Offshoot teams from the summer tournament teams often form for the fall tournaments. One of the problems with bringing a full summer tournament team, is that most of these fall tournament are geared towards mini teams in a 7 vs 7 format. But that also makes putting together a offshoot group easier.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/30/11 07:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yeah but at least we have 2 winter leagues to do.


Thats the biggest drawback to the Topguns, that their coaches are away for fall and spring. Other clubs definitely get a leg up in tournaments and practices not to mention winter leagues.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 09/30/11 11:14 PM
What about the T3 Fall Face Off.....close by in N.J. One day of games, 3 full length games on full fields (turf).

Sounds like a good way to spend a Saturday in November .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/01/11 01:17 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yeah but at least we have 2 winter leagues to do.


Thats the biggest drawback to the Topguns, that their coaches are away for fall and spring. Other clubs definitely get a leg up in tournaments and practices not to mention winter leagues.


On the other hand, the biggest draw of the Top Guns is that many of Topgun coaches are actively involved in playing lacrosse at the very highest level possible. As far as I know, all the teams play together through the winter indoor leagues (optional to players). I also believe that some of the teams are involved in the fall tournaments as well. They certainly give members plenty of opportunity to play with other team members throughout the year in addition to summer tournaments. I personally feel it is important for my daughter to also play school/town ball too. That's another indoor league in the winter, another spring outdoor season etc.... In the end, this club offers plenty of oppurtunity to fully emerse players in lacrosse with other teammates, if you choose.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/04/11 09:42 AM
Where are the rosters?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/04/11 03:58 PM
It won't be posted until after the last major club has it's tryout in December.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/06/11 10:39 AM
rosters are posted .....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/06/11 11:30 AM
Roster a are posted
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/06/11 03:41 PM
Oh boy, YJ and Liberty won't be happy w 2017 team..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/06/11 04:12 PM
Why is that dont recognize any names from YJ blue at all
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/06/11 05:09 PM
there are no yjblue players listed on there, nice try though
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/06/11 05:51 PM
"Oh boy, YJ and Liberty won't be happy w 2017 team.. "
Why is that because they were hoping for better competition.After all the talk about so many kids leaving yj to go to tg ,I saw one name that switched over from gold to top tg team, I am sure there were others but that is all I noticed. I still do not think they will knock off any blue team until possibly the much younger age groups.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/06/11 05:54 PM
There are NO YJ gold players listed either. Looks like maybe 2 3rd string YJ players making their top team. Thats should help them LOL
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/06/11 06:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Oh boy, YJ and Liberty won't be happy w 2017 team.. "
Why is that because they were hoping for better competition.After all the talk about so many kids leaving yj to go to tg ,I saw one name that switched over from gold to top tg team, I am sure there were others but that is all I noticed. I still do not think they will knock off any blue team until possibly the much younger age groups.


Quite honestly at the younger ages who cares if good players switch clubs to your team? Do you really need that? At this young age I would rather have the players and team be developed rather than just put together. Welcome new young athletic girls even if they are new to the sport, get them in the program and spend some time to develope their lacrosse skills. Obviously for the older teams this can't be done, so you have to put teams together. For me, as far as many of they younger teams are concerned, the other clubs can keep their top players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/07/11 02:29 AM
Who cares where they left?? Wish the girls good luck, cheer them on and promote good sportsmanship!! Have fun ladies!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/08/11 10:20 PM
Yj parents are just that, Yj parents. Every club on the island and lots in Maryland, jersey and PA that I speak to, can't stand you parents , there must be a reason for this. Yj blue teams are good, I give them that, the rest of there teams forget about, not that good. The problem with Yj is the parents, not kids, coaches or directors.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/08/11 11:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yj parents are just that, Yj parents. Every club on the island and lots in Maryland, jersey and PA that I speak to, can't stand you parents , there must be a reason for this. Yj blue teams are good, I give them that, the rest of there teams forget about, not that good. The problem with Yj is the parents, not kids, coaches or directors.


Funny how it is a top gun thread but the yj name is always brought up?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/08/11 11:29 PM
All teams have those parents...unfortunately.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/09/11 12:32 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All teams have those parents...unfortunately.


And all sports seem to have em too, just some sports and some clubs seem to have a higher percentage.
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/09/11 12:43 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All teams have those parents...unfortunately.


And all sports seem to have em too, just some sports and some clubs seem to have a higher percentage.


True dat.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/09/11 01:55 PM
yeah Yj 150% lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/09/11 01:58 PM
and why are you in this thread??? another nervous YJ parent. other clubs are getting very close to YJ .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/09/11 04:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
and why are you in this thread??? another nervous YJ parent. other clubs are getting very close to YJ .
my girl is on blue I'm not worried at all. Top gun is no threat to us
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/09/11 05:00 PM
TG parents are no better!!! screaming fathers loosing there minds on the sidelines is very attractive! Coaches on staff consistently with Red cards give it up
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/09/11 05:16 PM
I doubt YJ is worried they have consistently put good teams on the field. Cant say the same for ANY other club in terms of performance and consistency. Just worry about yourselves
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/09/11 07:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All teams have those parents...unfortunately.


And all sports seem to have em too, just some sports and some clubs seem to have a higher percentage.


Soccer parents are just as bad, maybe worse. The only difference is there are many organizations at high levels of play in soccer, so the behavior is spread out over many teams. The yj's the parent behavior is highly concentrated (50 teams show up at every tournament) and therefore highly noticable.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/09/11 07:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yj parents are just that, Yj parents. Every club on the island and lots in Maryland, jersey and PA that I speak to, can't stand you parents , there must be a reason for this. Yj blue teams are good, I give them that, the rest of there teams forget about, not that good. The problem with Yj is the parents, not kids, coaches or directors.


Funny how it is a top gun thread but the yj name is always brought up?


YJ get a lot of mention on TG thread and TG gets a lot of mention on YJ thread. Its obvious that there is a competitive rivalry there, which is good for the sport. Good for everyone including TG, YJ.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/09/11 09:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are NO YJ gold players listed either. Looks like maybe 2 3rd string YJ players making their top team. Thats should help them LOL

Player that left was on YJ 2016 Gold; and the kid could have stayed but her father is the issue.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/10/11 01:48 AM
wow your a Yj blue, isnt that cool, you had to mention that,, nobody cares,,nobody asked, you must be so proud.. why are you on this thread anyway. not worried hah. ok . did you hear that all non blue team parents, this one is on YJ BLUE. Yj blue should get ther own thread, because they are so above all other YJ teams and all other clubs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/10/11 01:51 AM
wow Yj parents checking topgun rosters. what does that say? Isn't that funny. lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/10/11 11:30 PM
"another nervous YJ parent. other clubs are getting very close to YJ "
Close, maybe ,maybe not, but you obviously believe not equal.I have watched several of the clubs and was wondering how would the gold yj teams do against the top top gun teams. The only age I am somewhat familiar with is 2016 and believe it would be a very close game but would give the nod to yj gold at this point.Does this hold true for the older girls , honestly do not know ?I have heard the 2015 tg team is very very good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/11/11 12:01 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"another nervous YJ parent. other clubs are getting very close to YJ "
Close, maybe ,maybe not, but you obviously believe not equal.I have watched several of the clubs and was wondering how would the gold yj teams do against the top top gun teams. The only age I am somewhat familiar with is 2016 and believe it would be a very close game but would give the nod to yj gold at this point.Does this hold true for the older girls , honestly do not know ?I have heard the 2015 tg team is very very good.


2015 TG team may be very very good (you are obviously a TG parent looking for some confidence in your team). The 2015 TG team will not even come close to the YJ blue at this age, I mean not close. Will they match up with the gold, maybe so, but doesn't that make them second string? Are the parents of the top TG team hoping to match up the YJ gold? Well at least they are being realistic now.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/11/11 12:19 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"another nervous YJ parent. other clubs are getting very close to YJ "
Close, maybe ,maybe not, but you obviously believe not equal.I have watched several of the clubs and was wondering how would the gold yj teams do against the top top gun teams. The only age I am somewhat familiar with is 2016 and believe it would be a very close game but would give the nod to yj gold at this point.Does this hold true for the older girls , honestly do not know ?I have heard the 2015 tg team is very very good.


2015 TG team may be very very good (you are obviously a TG parent looking for some confidence in your team). The 2015 TG team will not even come close to the YJ blue at this age, I mean not close. Will they match up with the gold, maybe so, but doesn't that make them second string? Are the parents of the top TG team hoping to match up the YJ gold? Well at least they are being realistic now.
Please stop. Let's discuss the Top Guns program and growth on its own merits for now. Comparisons with other teams, some of which still have tryouts to go, can be left to the Winter and Spring seasons.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/11/11 01:20 AM
(you are obviously a TG parent looking for some confidence in your team).
are you mental, now i see how the yj parents get their reputation. i picked yj gold over top tg team but i must be a tg parent, makes alot of sense
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/11/11 01:30 AM
2015 topguns would crush 2015 yj gold, and 2014 topguns beat 2014 Yj gold in syracuse
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/11/11 01:37 AM
INsulting teams in your own club
2015 YJ blue is outstanding team, one of the best ever to come around. 2015 topguns is very good team, don't loose to often. Typical YJ blue parent though, putting down teams in there own club, calling YJ gold second string. Then what are YJ red and green and black, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th string.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/11/11 12:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
INsulting teams in your own club
2015 YJ blue is outstanding team, one of the best ever to come around. 2015 topguns is very good team, don't loose to often. Typical YJ blue parent though, putting down teams in there own club, calling YJ gold second string. Then what are YJ red and green and black, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th string.
duh, yeah that's how it works? They can't all be the best but even the other 2015 teams are very good. Would you say the tg black and purple teams are even? Of course not
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/12/11 01:27 AM
I see top guns seems to keep it to an a and b team in each age group. I wonder if they will have c,d,e,f teams down the road as they grow, just like the yj's have. At some point it seems like a little bit too much to have so many teams. Is this a maney making thing or is there any stories of players rising from five teams down and finishing on a blue team???
Sorry this question would be better asked on the yj thread, but all the yj parents seem to monitor this thread as well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/12/11 12:55 PM
PErhaps its remotely possible that kids that are on the other squads just want to play? Shouldn't they also have a place to go? If you haven't noticed there is not much out there in the higher 16/17 age groups for girls lacrosse. Some girls do love the game, and would like to play more than just school.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/12/11 03:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
PErhaps its remotely possible that kids that are on the other squads just want to play? Shouldn't they also have a place to go? If you haven't noticed there is not much out there in the higher 16/17 age groups for girls lacrosse. Some girls do love the game, and would like to play more than just school.

Godd point! Not every kid plays travel lax because they "are trying to earn a scholarship"! What happened to the days of playing travel because you wanted to play during the summer? It is sad that the attitude is that "it is a waste of time" if your kid is not on an "A" team. Everyone has a right to play. Just spend your money wisely!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/12/11 05:52 PM
YJ parents monitor this website all to much. why?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/12/11 05:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
PErhaps its remotely possible that kids that are on the other squads just want to play? Shouldn't they also have a place to go? If you haven't noticed there is not much out there in the higher 16/17 age groups for girls lacrosse. Some girls do love the game, and would like to play more than just school.

Godd point! Not every kid plays travel lax because they "are trying to earn a scholarship"! What happened to the days of playing travel because you wanted to play during the summer? It is sad that the attitude is that "it is a waste of time" if your kid is not on an "A" team. Everyone has a right to play. Just spend your money wisely!


This is certainly possible, and if thats your case, that's great. Yet Im sure when 100 plus girls try out for an age group for a yj or tg team, they are hoping to land as high as they can. So back to my original question, if your daughter makes the 3rd, 4th or fifth team in one of these organizations, what is the likelyhood of moving up. I'm looking for a real example, no names, just if it happens. And I'm not talking theretical, I can answer that myself. Has it been done? How far back (3rd team 5th team) and how many years did it take. (because some girls do love to play and hope to go to a higher level)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/12/11 06:18 PM
Not sure of other organizations and of course some will think I am a yj parent monitoring tg site, silly. To answer your question I know that there have been kids moved from at least the so called 3rd level team to the top level team in just 1 year. There have also been many who have moved down from top to 2nd level and sometimes to 3rd level in the yj organization.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/12/11 06:32 PM
This is certainly possible, and if thats your case, that's great. Yet Im sure when 100 plus girls try out for an age group for a yj or tg team, they are hoping to land as high as they can. So back to my original question, if your daughter makes the 3rd, 4th or fifth team in one of these organizations, what is the likelyhood of moving up. I'm looking for a real example, no names, just if it happens. And I'm not talking theretical, I can answer that myself. Has it been done? How far back (3rd team 5th team) and how many years did it take. (because some girls do love to play and hope to go to a higher level) [/quote]
The younger ages don't have 3, 4, or 5 teams. Only 1 or 2. Certainly kids have often moved up one team and rarely, but sometimes two. I don't think that there are any age groups with 5 teams and most of teh kids on the 4th team started much later and/or just aren't as talented. I also think that most kids, after 1 or 2 years on a given team, don't want to move up but raterh want to keep the relations that they have.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/12/11 10:43 PM
Maybe we monitor this thread because its 99% about yjs...if you're going to put bad info out there about yjs we need to put the correct info out there. So you can call this a tg thread but its mostly about yjs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/12/11 11:16 PM
that is true, i know of a few kids that played on 2nd teams for years, did very well, were asked to move up to top team, but refused and stayed where thet were.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/13/11 01:38 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maybe we monitor this thread because its 99% about yjs...if you're going to put bad info out there about yjs we need to put the correct info out there. So you can call this a tg thread but its mostly about yjs


you are out of your mind.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/13/11 02:18 AM
And youre in denial
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/13/11 06:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And youre in denial


What are you doing wasting your time on other threads, you have plenty of people tearing up the YJ organization right on your own thread. How did you become the self anointed keeper of YJ's "good" name on the internet. If that's your deal, you better get busy because you have hundreds of posts that are negative that you will need to respond to. And relax, cause I'm not saying YJ's is the only club with negative comments about them on the internet, all clubs have haters. And to tell you the truth, you responded to an inquiry of a posed question of wether girls on lower teams move up in either TG, YJ or any other organizations, if that is the negative thing your monitoring other threads for, your doing a really poor job of it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/14/11 02:01 PM
"all clubs have haters"
You seem to be one of those haters

" you responded to an inquiry of a posed question of wether girls on lower teams move up in either TG, YJ or any "
It seems they were responding to the negative statements about monitering the site. I am sure none of the tg parents have read or responded to statements on the yj thread.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/16/11 01:43 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
wow Yj parents checking topgun rosters. what does that say? Isn't that funny. lol


Rosters of both YG and TG 2015 teams are at 24-25 kids... That is way too many kids to carry on a travel lax team...I am more concerned w/ playing time vs which program they are playing with.... That is how kids improve, by playing, not watching....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/16/11 10:36 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"all clubs have haters"
You seem to be one of those haters

" you responded to an inquiry of a posed question of wether girls on lower teams move up in either TG, YJ or any "
It seems they were responding to the negative statements about monitering the site. I am sure none of the tg parents have read or responded to statements on the yj thread.


You are wrong. I am a TG parent. I look at other threads and somtimes I respond....even YJ threades...Oh imaging that!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/16/11 01:08 PM
I think practice and playing with/against kids of equal or greater ability may have an impact on improving. Sometimes its the quality not quantity of playing time.That being said 25 kids on a team is too many if all 25 show up which is rare over the summer.
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/16/11 01:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
wow Yj parents checking topgun rosters. what does that say? Isn't that funny. lol


Rosters of both YG and TG 2015 teams are at 24-25 kids... That is way too many kids to carry on a travel lax team...I am more concerned w/ playing time vs which program they are playing with.... That is how kids improve, by playing, not watching....


I disagree. First of all, not all people make every tournament so it's rare the full roster is in attendance. Second, injuries. Third, these are tournament teams, by definition they are playing at least two games a day but often more, and given the season, chances are the heat and humidity make it brutal. Hence, subbing happens and it's good to have a bench.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/16/11 09:59 PM
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
wow Yj parents checking topgun rosters. what does that say? Isn't that funny. lol


Rosters of both YG and TG 2015 teams are at 24-25 kids... That is way too many kids to carry on a travel lax team...I am more concerned w/ playing time vs which program they are playing with.... That is how kids improve, by playing, not watching....


I disagree. First of all, not all people make every tournament so it's rare the full roster is in attendance. Second, injuries. Third, these are tournament teams, by definition they are playing at least two games a day but often more, and given the season, chances are the heat and humidity make it brutal. Hence, subbing happens and it's good to have a bench.


Obviously a difference of opinion but I would hate to be a parent of child #24 or #25 at an "elite" tournament...where the team is in the hunt for a tourny championship..only thing good about the bench is that those bottom 4-5 kids will be sitting on it and the parents will be wondering what they paid all that $ for...

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/17/11 02:05 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
wow Yj parents checking topgun rosters. what does that say? Isn't that funny. lol


Rosters of both YG and TG 2015 teams are at 24-25 kids... That is way too many kids to carry on a travel lax team...I am more concerned w/ playing time vs which program they are playing with.... That is how kids improve, by playing, not watching....


I disagree. First of all, not all people make every tournament so it's rare the full roster is in attendance. Second, injuries. Third, these are tournament teams, by definition they are playing at least two games a day but often more, and given the season, chances are the heat and humidity make it brutal. Hence, subbing happens and it's good to have a bench.


Obviously a difference of opinion but I would hate to be a parent of child #24 or #25 at an "elite" tournament...where the team is in the hunt for a tourny championship..only thing good about the bench is that those bottom 4-5 kids will be sitting on it and the parents will be wondering what they paid all that $ for...



My daughter's been on several different tournament teams, I have seen the depth of roster win tournaments and have been on both sides of the discussion. I remember she played in a tournament with a limited number of subs, made it through pool play and early playoff games, but the girls were a bit spent by the time the championship final game came around. Unfortunately they lost a tight one and there is no doubt it was because they were spent and the other team was fresh because of the use of subs. This is how the elite tournament teams are structured and built on purpose. But look at it this way, these elite teams nearly always make it through pool play and rather far into playoff play, so in a tournament they play many more games than a weak team getting beat in the pool play and going home before the playoffs begin. So by the end of the tournament the girls end up with more field time then the team with no subs who went home early. So long as the girls are getting rotated in and not sitting on the bench, it's all good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/17/11 09:54 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
wow Yj parents checking topgun rosters. what does that say? Isn't that funny. lol


Rosters of both YG and TG 2015 teams are at 24-25 kids... That is way too many kids to carry on a travel lax team...I am more concerned w/ playing time vs which program they are playing with.... That is how kids improve, by playing, not watching....


I disagree. First of all, not all people make every tournament so it's rare the full roster is in attendance. Second, injuries. Third, these are tournament teams, by definition they are playing at least two games a day but often more, and given the season, chances are the heat and humidity make it brutal. Hence, subbing happens and it's good to have a bench.


Obviously a difference of opinion but I would hate to be a parent of child #24 or #25 at an "elite" tournament...where the team is in the hunt for a tourny championship..only thing good about the bench is that those bottom 4-5 kids will be sitting on it and the parents will be wondering what they paid all that $ for...



My daughter's been on several different tournament teams, I have seen the depth of roster win tournaments and have been on both sides of the discussion. I remember she played in a tournament with a limited number of subs, made it through pool play and early playoff games, but the girls were a bit spent by the time the championship final game came around. Unfortunately they lost a tight one and there is no doubt it was because they were spent and the other team was fresh because of the use of subs. This is how the elite tournament teams are structured and built on purpose. But look at it this way, these elite teams nearly always make it through pool play and rather far into playoff play, so in a tournament they play many more games than a weak team getting beat in the pool play and going home before the playoffs begin. So by the end of the tournament the girls end up with more field time then the team with no subs who went home early. So long as the girls are getting rotated in and not sitting on the bench, it's all good.


Maybe TG should have made 3 teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/17/11 02:29 PM
With the number of kids at some of the age group tryouts, they could have done a third or forth team. I don't think that's what they want to do at this time. I think its a bit selfish attitude wanting to keep roster numbers down. For other lacrosse leuges, yes because your one game a week comes and goes, but for tournaments no. The tournaments are often brutal physically, five , six, seven full length games in two days. I love seeing my daughter get playing time, and they all get plenty at these tournaments, even with a good number of subs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/17/11 02:56 PM
about 22 is the right amount for girls tournament team. 24 is too many. Crazy, but amazing what a difference 2 bodies can make.

Younger age (up to maybe summer after 7th grade) practive matters more than playing time. after that, playing time does matter and after 9th grade it is key because it's about being seen.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/17/11 04:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
about 22 is the right amount for girls tournament team. 24 is too many. Crazy, but amazing what a difference 2 bodies can make.

Younger age (up to maybe summer after 7th grade) practive matters more than playing time. after that, playing time does matter and after 9th grade it is key because it's about being seen.


22 is an ideal # for a travel team. That factors in a player or two missing for away tournaments. For any one league game, 16 field players and 2 goalies is ideal. Tourneys, 20 field players and 2 goalies works....24-25 is way too much to carry. But at $1200/$1300 per kid I guess its a good # for the program...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/25/11 04:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And youre in denial


What are you doing wasting your time on other threads, you have plenty of people tearing up the YJ organization right on your own thread. How did you become the self anointed keeper of YJ's "good" name on the internet. If that's your deal, you better get busy because you have hundreds of posts that are negative that you will need to respond to. And relax, cause I'm not saying YJ's is the only club with negative comments about them on the internet, all clubs have haters. And to tell you the truth, you responded to an inquiry of a posed question of wether girls on lower teams move up in either TG, YJ or any other organizations, if that is the negative thing your monitoring other threads for, your doing a really poor job of it.


People are growing tired of the Yellow Jackets antics, on and off the field. This is why people are looking else where when it comes to club lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/25/11 11:25 PM
You are sadly mistaken YJ is thriving on and off the field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/26/11 12:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are sadly mistaken YJ is thriving on and off the field.

Top Gun has a team of 2013 players. Would be interested to see a verbal commitment list like YJ has.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/26/11 02:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are sadly mistaken YJ is thriving on and off the field.

Top Gun has a team of 2013 players. Would be interested to see a verbal commitment list like YJ has.


And I would like to see a unicorn...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/26/11 07:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are sadly mistaken YJ is thriving on and off the field.

Top Gun has a team of 2013 players. Would be interested to see a verbal commitment list like YJ has.


You can't go any any other thread on this site without major harrasment from yj's. You parents are all over every single other clubs threads and so overly relentless in telling everybody how much better you are than everyone else. It's quite old at this point. We get it, You think your great. Now go away.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 10/26/11 07:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are sadly mistaken YJ is thriving on and off the field.


Great, now go thrive on the YellowJackets board.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/07/11 10:56 PM
I thought that all the forums and threads were for all laxers, not just specific clubs. Good info for all creates knowledge and helps the kids, It is all about the kids and recruiting or none of us would be interested in reading all the posts, good, bad or indifferent.
If my kid isnt a Top Gun , how would i learn about the organization unless i read the posts ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/07/11 11:02 PM
The recruting this weekend at Navy was off the hook, over 80 top coaches from the biggest colleges in the country,however i did not see any Top Guns or Long Island Express there .Does Top Guns or Express or All Stars offer true Scouting?I was surprised they absent
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/08/11 12:09 AM
Primetime had over 200 colleges attend!! Did not see them there either? No Liberty, Express,Top Guns, fl$, Wave, Anchor

Are they really helping their athletes get recruited?
Posted By: libertydad Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/08/11 12:48 AM
As a liberty parent I have to say you have no Idea what your talking about. I Will trust Danielle Gallagher ,the coach of one of the best lacrosse programs in the country , a woman that has helped put hundreds of girls into top Div 1 , ivy league , and top d2 schools , not to mention a hall of fame player , with my daughters recruitment . Shannon is a very good player , but as of this moment that is all she is . So please keep your Top Guns pride in check until shannon has proven herself a bit more , and you should not question the capabilities of proven coaches
Posted By: libertydad Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/08/11 12:51 AM
By the way elbow jackets 2015 blue was not at that event . are you saying carol rose doesn't know what she is doing , and that is probably the best team in the country
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/08/11 01:11 AM
2015 too young to go college coaches not concentrating on them yet so she was correct not to send them
Posted By: libertydad Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/08/11 06:40 AM
Thats not true Liberty And the yellow Jackets were at a recruitment tourney on sunday
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/08/11 02:11 PM
again Liberty dad not true my daughter is one of the teams mentioned and quitely has had Navy come look at her. It doesn't have to always be advertised
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/08/11 03:21 PM
I did see alot of big organizations there with mostly 13 and 14 teams and was impressed with the schools that inquired about my daughter,with years of hard work the fruits are biggining to ripen. This is what we all worked for and want the best for our kids.No matter which org you choose its about the recruiting, absolute bottom line
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/08/11 03:51 PM
Liberty was at Navy sunday ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/08/11 04:03 PM
If Carol didnt know what she is doing,the other orgs would not be chasing her game.Being jealous makes for motivation,thats why we chase the best, to make our selves work harder and smarter.Right (Liability Dad)
Posted By: libertydad Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/08/11 06:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
again Liberty dad not true my daughter is one of the teams mentioned and quitely has had Navy come look at her. It doesn't have to always be advertised

where in Jersey
Posted By: libertydad Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/08/11 07:07 PM
Originally Posted by D.A.N.G
If Carol didnt know what she is doing,the other orgs would not be chasing her game.Being jealous makes for motivation,thats why we chase the best, to make our selves work harder and smarter.Right (Liability Dad)


I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say , So let me be clear, I watched as YJ 2015 took apart 4 teams. They could be the best team , at this moment , in any age group. Carol does a fantastic job with her club, and is one of the best at finding talent ,I also think Danielle Gallagher is also one of the best in the country at finding and cultivating talent. I am saying that a woman of 22 years, no matter how much she has achieved, still has some way to go to be compared to like of Carol Rose and Danielle Gallagher. give these two legends the respect they deserve
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/08/11 08:32 PM
The last several posts here are so disjointed and unclear. You guys are pulling topics out of nowhere and trying to join things unstated and unrelated. Topguns, yj, liberty whatever coach/ director......just a bad exchange from the get go.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/08/11 08:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The last several posts here are so disjointed and unclear. You guys are pulling topics out of nowhere and trying to join things unstated and unrelated. Topguns, yj, liberty whatever coach/ director......just a bad exchange from the get go.
BOTC agrees. We are approaching a point where using the age group based threads would be more advantageous. If you have age group specific comments, note that we have girls threads for 2013, 2014, 2015, and more already started. Please use those. As for this thread, the discussion should be focused on the Top Guns programs itself.

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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/09/11 09:51 PM
topguns - just because a girl is a good player and plays d1 colege lacrosse, doesn't make her a good coach.. some of your coaches are horrible.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/10/11 12:45 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
topguns - just because a girl is a good player and plays d1 colege lacrosse, doesn't make her a good coach.. some of your coaches are horrible.

Okay, thanks for the info. If you follow the some of the other clubs threads, you will come to the conclusion that the coach doesn't matter at all. It's hard to have both it ways.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/28/11 01:27 PM
what happened to top guns thread, did they fold already.
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/28/11 04:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what happened to top guns thread, did they fold already.


No.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/29/11 02:56 AM
Here's a thought, perhaps Top Guns parents have better things to do than spew venom everyday, like you psychotic yj parents(who are probably on this thread more than anyone)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/29/11 03:31 AM
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what happened to top guns thread, did they fold already.


No.


They didn't win anything in the last tourney despite all their age groups playing so what is there really to talk about. Just waiting for next summer I guess...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/29/11 02:23 PM
just curious how did you know it was a yj parent and aren't you spewing venom making yourself just like the people you cannot stand?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/29/11 07:36 PM
speak english please
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/29/11 09:46 PM
"just curious how did you know it was a yj parent and aren't you spewing venom making yourself just like the people you cannot stand?"
Just curious ,how would you know it was a yj parent?
Don't you think your statement is just as much venom spewing as anyone else.Hopefully you can understand their statement now , as I am sure most were able to understand.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/30/11 12:51 AM
WOW
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/30/11 12:53 AM
I rest my case!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/30/11 02:19 AM
was this actually written by an adult?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 11/30/11 06:12 PM
I have a child who is a top gun and I apologize for the ignorant people who are making fun of the poster. One thing I have learned is when people make fun of someone it usually reflects more about the person making the personal attacks.I wonder what level of education they have attained to make them feel so superior.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/27/12 03:02 PM
Which age Top guns teams can compete with the other clubs top teams, I ask this because I have been impressed with many of the top guns teams but it seems on the yj thread many are stating they are not competitive as of yet.Do not mean for this to start trouble just curious.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/28/12 12:06 AM
and your intention is "not" to start trouble.

I don't believe it for a minute
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/28/12 02:35 AM
There's no point in trying to predict the upcoming season. It will play out soon enough.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/29/12 01:55 AM
Hope winter League is no indication because your struggling at best
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/29/12 01:37 PM
14, 16, and 18 can beat the YJ on any giving day.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/29/12 01:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
14, 16, and 18 can beat the YJ on any giving day.

The Mets can beat the Yankees on any given day, but that doesn't make them better! Any team can have a bad day! BTW I don't think any of those teams has beaten a YJ Blue team in their age group yet. If they do you will come on this site and pound your chest like you won the Superbowl! Really in the grand scheme of things it doesn't mean anything! It is great to be competitive with the local clubs as long as it is respectful! In the long run they will all be better off having other local club club teams that are good. The better the teams get the more opportunity there will be for Long Island girl at the next level!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/29/12 07:11 PM
2016 top guns have little chance at beating yj top 2016 team, simply put they are just not that good.There are at least 5 teams in that age group that are better than tg
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/29/12 10:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hope winter League is no indication because your struggling at best


Hope your not using winter play as an indicator, because it has absolutely no bearing on what happens at the summer tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/29/12 11:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2016 top guns have little chance at beating yj top 2016 team, simply put they are just not that good.There are at least 5 teams in that age group that are better than tg


Just ask the 2017 YJ team they played 2 games against today.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/30/12 12:46 AM
the 2016 black team lost to the 2017 blue team 16-14 and then 2016 beat 2017 the second game by one goal only.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/30/12 12:47 AM
and beat them the first game and only lost by one the second.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/30/12 03:06 AM
who cares, its indoor winter you idiot . omg.. you are sad
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/30/12 01:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
and your intention is "not" to start trouble.

I don't believe it for a minute


It was obviously intended to start trouble. TG parents ignore this stuff, don't get into the meaningless squabbling about about this team played that team etc... it is all so silly, go out and play the games this summer and leave it on the field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/30/12 01:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2016 top guns have little chance at beating yj top 2016 team, simply put they are just not that good.There are at least 5 teams in that age group that are better than tg


Just ask the 2017 YJ team they played 2 games against today.
your crowing because your 2016 won 2 games against 2017 teams from any org by a a combined 2 goals. I think your program has problems, you might not be that good. you should be beating younger teams by a lot more than 1 goal
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/30/12 03:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2016 top guns have little chance at beating yj top 2016 team, simply put they are just not that good.There are at least 5 teams in that age group that are better than tg


Just ask the 2017 YJ team they played 2 games against today.
your crowing because your 2016 won 2 games against 2017 teams from any org by a a combined 2 goals. I think your program has problems, you might not be that good. you should be beating younger teams by a lot more than 1 goal


Actually they lost to 2017 the first game, won second game by a goal
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/30/12 03:36 PM
They were two close games where each team played hard, the competition was good, both teams had to raise their game against the other, it was an enjoyable Sunday afternoon, regardless of the outcome
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/30/12 04:22 PM
Let me know when you get your trophy for indoors..... oh yeh, there are no trophys!!! Stay on your own board!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/30/12 04:33 PM
Let us know when tg 2016 wins a game against one of the better travel teams in their own age group.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/30/12 04:49 PM
How did top guns do against a School team that they played yesterday morning?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/30/12 05:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did top guns do against a School team that they played yesterday morning?


I don't know, please tell us.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/30/12 05:25 PM
I truly find that hard to believe...didnt TG 2018 Black AND purple both loose to the same town team recently in indoor? That team ONLY had 7 YJ players on it...how do you think you would fair verse the 2018 Blue??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/30/12 07:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did top guns do against a School team that they played yesterday morning?


I don't know, please tell us.

Pretty sure that a travel team lost to a middle school team in the high school division, lots of upset TG parents.....embarrasing to say the least....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/30/12 08:46 PM
For those of us who have no idea what ages you are talking about how about some specifics like what age teams and what town
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/30/12 09:08 PM
I can't believe anyone can seriously try to discuss results of indoor play as to what teams are better. As far as town teams looking good, that's great for them if they can compete. Understand though that these town teams show up and play to win, even leaving players on the bench, and the stars never leaving the field. Travels teams break the teams into groups, so its not the real team, they rotate kids at any old position, and are out there to just keep the stick in their hands. The 7 vs. 7 indoor game barely resembles the the outdoor game. Anyone trying to gauge the teams from indoor play, for good or bad, may very well be way off come summer. And in the event your team does win in the summer tournaments, congatulations. Do you really need to go on a message board and tell everyone your team is better, some parents are so pathetic. When you were kids, could your dad beat up everybody else's dad?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/30/12 09:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
For those of us who have no idea what ages you are talking about how about some specifics like what age teams and what town


I can tell you what I know, the TG 2016 team split two close games with the YJ 2017 blue. take from that what you want but it is what it is
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/30/12 11:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can't believe anyone can seriously try to discuss results of indoor play as to what teams are better. As far as town teams looking good, that's great for them if they can compete. Understand though that these town teams show up and play to win, even leaving players on the bench, and the stars never leaving the field. Travels teams break the teams into groups, so its not the real team, they rotate kids at any old position, and are out there to just keep the stick in their hands. The 7 vs. 7 indoor game barely resembles the the outdoor game. Anyone trying to gauge the teams from indoor play, for good or bad, may very well be way off come summer. And in the event your team does win in the summer tournaments, congatulations. Do you really need to go on a message board and tell everyone your team is better, some parents are so pathetic. When you were kids, could your dad beat up everybody else's dad?
now if we were talking boys lacrosse, I would agree with the indoor - outdoor games being very different. Girls lax , on the other hand, is a, in close to the goalie type of game be it in or outdoor . To say that a select, or elite team , that your own members tout as the best on long Island , far better than every other club, for them to lose to a town team, and for you to say that they lost because they were rotated into any old position is such a cop out that I am sure every true elite club is laughing at you. you ELITE girls should be able to beat a common town team while playing with there weak hand, on there knees blindfolded, like the Y.J's do .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/31/12 12:10 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
For those of us who have no idea what ages you are talking about how about some specifics like what age teams and what town


I can tell you what I know, the TG 2016 team split two close games with the YJ 2017 blue. take from that what you want but it is what it is


So what's the point? I really don't understand the comment. A 2016 team beat a team a whole year younger and also lost to the same team. What should be taken from that? The 2017 team is good and the 2016 team is struggling against a younger team?I am not sure that is what was meant. Please fill me in.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/31/12 01:48 PM
It is sad to see parents pounding their chests on these boards. Whatever team or organization you support it doesn't matter, but you are embarrassing your club and directors by spewing crap all over the message boards. The behavior on these boards is quite embarassing for all of long island lacrosse. I am a fan of discussion forums and many other websites have them. The best ones have login names and no anonymous posts options, and people and discussions remain civil. This whole anonymous posting is a terrible thing. Sure its great for BOTC, it gets people all fired up and posting like crazy, but it shows the ugly underbelly of lacrosse (parents)on Long Island. Here you have the option to create a user name and comments and posts can be linked, but you would be crazy to put yourself out in front of the anonymous discussion board. Just look at the roasting Libertydad has taken. I give him credit. Perhaps new threads can be created to only accept registered users, it would sure go a long way to help the image of LI lacrosse, because the way this is going is not good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/31/12 02:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
For those of us who have no idea what ages you are talking about how about some specifics like what age teams and what town


I can tell you what I know, the TG 2016 team split two close games with the YJ 2017 blue. take from that what you want but it is what it is


So what's the point? I really don't understand the comment. A 2016 team beat a team a whole year younger and also lost to the same team. What should be taken from that? The 2017 team is good and the 2016 team is struggling against a younger team?I am not sure that is what was meant. Please fill me in.


I think you got it... The YJ team looks like they are well coached and skilled, the TG team is also skilled although it appears there is still work to be done.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/31/12 02:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can't believe anyone can seriously try to discuss results of indoor play as to what teams are better. As far as town teams looking good, that's great for them if they can compete. Understand though that these town teams show up and play to win, even leaving players on the bench, and the stars never leaving the field. Travels teams break the teams into groups, so its not the real team, they rotate kids at any old position, and are out there to just keep the stick in their hands. The 7 vs. 7 indoor game barely resembles the the outdoor game. Anyone trying to gauge the teams from indoor play, for good or bad, may very well be way off come summer. And in the event your team does win in the summer tournaments, congatulations. Do you really need to go on a message board and tell everyone your team is better, some parents are so pathetic. When you were kids, could your dad beat up everybody else's dad?
now if we were talking boys lacrosse, I would agree with the indoor - outdoor games being very different. Girls lax , on the other hand, is a, in close to the goalie type of game be it in or outdoor . To say that a select, or elite team , that your own members tout as the best on long Island , far better than every other club, for them to lose to a town team, and for you to say that they lost because they were rotated into any old position is such a cop out that I am sure every true elite club is laughing at you. you ELITE girls should be able to beat a common town team while playing with there weak hand, on there knees blindfolded, like the Y.J's do .


I agree with most of your point although with the indoor game there is no draw after every goal and the teams can breakout in a fast break the games get a kind of run and gun feel to them, although outdoors there is alot more emphasis on ball posession and movement
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/31/12 08:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
For those of us who have no idea what ages you are talking about how about some specifics like what age teams and what town


I can tell you what I know, the TG 2016 team split two close games with the YJ 2017 blue. take from that what you want but it is what it is


So what's the point? I really don't understand the comment. A 2016 team beat a team a whole year younger and also lost to the same team. What should be taken from that? The 2017 team is good and the 2016 team is struggling against a younger team?I am not sure that is what was meant. Please fill me in.
You must be kidding . what is the club dues for Top Guns, It better be free. because if I have to pay to be on an "ELITE" team, that team better be able to beat girls a year younger without any problem at all . I don't men eek a a 1 goal win , I mean a 7-8 goal trouncing. I don't care if your goalie was starting middie, these are supposed to be the best girls in an age group. I can't decide if the entire team should be cut and hold new tryouts, or should the parents be demanding there money back. Either way if your a Top Guns Parent you should keep your mouth shut about being able to beat any club until your teams can at least compete with younger teams and town teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 01/31/12 09:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
For those of us who have no idea what ages you are talking about how about some specifics like what age teams and what town


I can tell you what I know, the TG 2016 team split two close games with the YJ 2017 blue. take from that what you want but it is what it is


So what's the point? I really don't understand the comment. A 2016 team beat a team a whole year younger and also lost to the same team. What should be taken from that? The 2017 team is good and the 2016 team is struggling against a younger team?I am not sure that is what was meant. Please fill me in.
You must be kidding . what is the club dues for Top Guns, It better be free. because if I have to pay to be on an "ELITE" team, that team better be able to beat girls a year younger without any problem at all . I don't men eek a a 1 goal win , I mean a 7-8 goal trouncing. I don't care if your goalie was starting middie, these are supposed to be the best girls in an age group. I can't decide if the entire team should be cut and hold new tryouts, or should the parents be demanding there money back. Either way if your a Top Guns Parent you should keep your mouth shut about being able to beat any club until your teams can at least compete with younger teams and town teams.


Holy pathetic trouble maker trying to stir it up. Stop making an [lacrosse] of yourself. Do you really think parents are buying your rant? All parents should keep their mouths shut, TG and other clubs. What exactly are trying to accomplish? Seriously, be quite and go away you sad, sad miserable person.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/01/12 12:28 AM
well said
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/01/12 02:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
For those of us who have no idea what ages you are talking about how about some specifics like what age teams and what town


I can tell you what I know, the TG 2016 team split two close games with the YJ 2017 blue. take from that what you want but it is what it is


So what's the point? I really don't understand the comment. A 2016 team beat a team a whole year younger and also lost to the same team. What should be taken from that? The 2017 team is good and the 2016 team is struggling against a younger team?I am not sure that is what was meant. Please fill me in.
You must be kidding . what is the club dues for Top Guns, It better be free. because if I have to pay to be on an "ELITE" team, that team better be able to beat girls a year younger without any problem at all . I don't men eek a a 1 goal win , I mean a 7-8 goal trouncing. I don't care if your goalie was starting middie, these are supposed to be the best girls in an age group. I can't decide if the entire team should be cut and hold new tryouts, or should the parents be demanding there money back. Either way if your a Top Guns Parent you should keep your mouth shut about being able to beat any club until your teams can at least compete with younger teams and town teams.


Holy pathetic trouble maker trying to stir it up. Stop making an [lacrosse] of yourself. Do you really think parents are buying your rant? All parents should keep their mouths shut, TG and other clubs. What exactly are trying to accomplish? Seriously, be quite and go away you sad, sad miserable person.
T.G. parents are the biggest trash talkers who are you guys trying to kid
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/01/12 02:12 PM
"T.G. parents are the biggest trash talkers who are you guys trying to kid"

Let’s look at this. You are on the TG thread trash talking, that makes you yourself a trash talker. Are you any better than whatever parents you may be accusing? This makes you a hypocrite with no credibility. Never took any formal course on debate did you? This is obvious.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/01/12 03:39 PM
"This makes you a hypocrite with no credibility. Never took any formal course on debate did you? This is obvious."
And the trash talk continues
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/01/12 10:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"This makes you a hypocrite with no credibility. Never took any formal course on debate did you? This is obvious."
And the trash talk continues
who takes formal debate classes to talk on a blog, take your nose out of the air you overeducated snob. Go on any other girls thread and you will see T.G parents acting poorly , but now that it happens on yours you get upset. Learn how to take what your own members dish out
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/02/12 12:25 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Go on any other girls thread and you will see T.G parents acting poorly , but now that it happens on yours you get upset. Learn how to take what your own members dish out


Okay, no. No you won't see any TG parents acting badly, or any other parents identified with any other club. Why? BECAUSE YOU'RE ALL ANONYMOUS! There are about three or four of us on this board who have, at some point, indicated with which club we are affiliated but the rest of you have not. NO ONE KNOWS who's posting this stuff. Don't make assumptions.

And now, not directed at anyone, but just my vent in general, I'm sick to death of who beat who in the past. It's a new year. In a few months we'll all get a clearer picture of where all the teams/clubs stand in comparison to one another. Until then it's a lot of hot air and hot tempers getting fussed up about stuff that we can't change. Pointless arguments. Rant over.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/02/12 12:48 AM
YJ parents are funny. lol
Posted By: libertydad Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/02/12 02:56 AM
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Go on any other girls thread and you will see T.G parents acting poorly , but now that it happens on yours you get upset. Learn how to take what your own members dish out


Okay, no. No you won't see any TG parents acting badly, or any other parents identified with any other club. Why? BECAUSE YOU'RE ALL ANONYMOUS! There are about three or four of us on this board who have, at some point, indicated with which club we are affiliated but the rest of you have not. NO ONE KNOWS who's posting this stuff. Don't make assumptions.

And now, not directed at anyone, but just my vent in general, I'm sick to death of who beat who in the past. It's a new year. In a few months we'll all get a clearer picture of where all the teams/clubs stand in comparison to one another. Until then it's a lot of hot air and hot tempers getting fussed up about stuff that we can't change. Pointless arguments. Rant over.
Be careful..... your making sense
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/02/12 01:37 PM
The unfotunate part is we will never actually get to see where all the long island clubs stand relative to one another ,how great would it be to have a true long island championship with no affiliation to any particular club with full games on full fields in a championship format.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/02/12 02:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The unfotunate part is we will never actually get to see where all the long island clubs stand relative to one another ,how great would it be to have a true long island championship with no affiliation to any particular club with full games on full fields in a championship format.


Set it up!
But that won't happen because the clubs are afraid to get beat. You would need someone with no club affiliation to set it up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/02/12 05:37 PM
Yellow Jackets would never go for that. They think they have too much to loose. They would never risk the embarrasment of losing to a Long Island team. They avoid the good Long Island teams at the summer tournaments, and they only play the ones they know they can beat. and yes they do have a say in the schedule making at these tournaments. Take a look at the draw in some of these tournaments this summer and you tell me if they are making there own schedules.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/02/12 06:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yellow Jackets would never go for that. They think they have too much to loose. They would never risk the embarrasment of losing to a Long Island team. They avoid the good Long Island teams at the summer tournaments, and they only play the ones they know they can beat. and yes they do have a say in the schedule making at these tournaments. Take a look at the draw in some of these tournaments this summer and you tell me if they are making there own schedules.


very humorous, the jackets ducking long island teams, especially TG, you are kidding yourself, mate

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/02/12 06:52 PM
Give me a break ,you can play the yj teams anytime you want.The yj list the tournaments they are doing every year on their website and your team can sign up to play in these championship tournaments anytime you want.You want to play them on long island play in the elite showcase,you won't do it and will use the excuse of them setting your team up to fail, the only thing setting your child's team up to fail is parents like you making excuses
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/03/12 02:07 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Give me a break ,you can play the yj teams anytime you want.The yj list the tournaments they are doing every year on their website and your team can sign up to play in these championship tournaments anytime you want.You want to play them on long island play in the elite showcase,you won't do it and will use the excuse of them setting your team up to fail, the only thing setting your child's team up to fail is parents like you making excuses
Thats a fact well said and the same goes for most organizations . .but most all the best highschool teams are all yellow jackets anyway (northport/gardencity)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/09/12 05:21 AM
You all need to get a life. Leave the girls alone. They don't need you at all to play lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/10/12 02:32 AM
yeah they do, how they going to get to practice
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/10/12 01:17 PM
What a stupid reply
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/10/12 02:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yeah they do, how they going to get to practice


That's funny!
Obviously the kids need parents, driving to practice, tournaments and for guidance and support as they play through the years. What the kids don't need is their parents online, pounding their chest "my daughter's team is better than yours" and on and on.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/12/12 06:07 PM
News from the College Front - Opener for Northwestern

STANFORD, Calif. -- Top-ranked Northwestern women's lacrosse handled a challenging season-opening road test with relative ease Friday night, outscoring No. 6 Stanford 11-2 in the second half to secure an 18-6 victory at Cagan Stadium in California. Senior Shannon Smith and junior Erin Fitzgerald each posted hat tricks to lead a group of 12 Wildcat goal-scorers.

Northwestern was aided by a 20-6 advantage on draw controls, led by the nine collected by sophomore Alyssa Leonard.

"We didn't start out the way we wanted to defensively but I thought we really picked up in the second half," said head coach Kelly Amonte Hiller. "Stanford is a great team so it was important for us to create opportunities and we were able to do that and earn some free positions. It's a solid first step for everyone to see what they need to work on before next week."
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/15/12 11:59 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
News from the College Front - Opener for Northwestern

STANFORD, Calif. -- Top-ranked Northwestern women's lacrosse handled a challenging season-opening road test with relative ease Friday night, outscoring No. 6 Stanford 11-2 in the second half to secure an 18-6 victory at Cagan Stadium in California. Senior Shannon Smith and junior Erin Fitzgerald each posted hat tricks to lead a group of 12 Wildcat goal-scorers.

Northwestern was aided by a 20-6 advantage on draw controls, led by the nine collected by sophomore Alyssa Leonard.
"We didn't start out the way we wanted to defensively but I thought we really picked up in the second half," said head coach Kelly Amonte Hiller. "Stanford is a great team so it was important for us to create opportunities and we were able to do that and earn some free positions. It's a solid first step for everyone to see what they need to work on before next week."


Nice to see a couple of yellow jackets doing so well !

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/16/12 12:37 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
News from the College Front - Opener for Northwestern

STANFORD, Calif. -- Top-ranked Northwestern women's lacrosse handled a challenging season-opening road test with relative ease Friday night, outscoring No. 6 Stanford 11-2 in the second half to secure an 18-6 victory at Cagan Stadium in California. Senior Shannon Smith and junior Erin Fitzgerald each posted hat tricks to lead a group of 12 Wildcat goal-scorers.

Northwestern was aided by a 20-6 advantage on draw controls, led by the nine collected by sophomore Alyssa Leonard.
"We didn't start out the way we wanted to defensively but I thought we really picked up in the second half," said head coach Kelly Amonte Hiller. "Stanford is a great team so it was important for us to create opportunities and we were able to do that and earn some free positions. It's a solid first step for everyone to see what they need to work on before next week."


Nice to see a couple of yellow jackets doing so well !



Yes it is so nice to see that so many of the top gun coaches completely dominate the D1 lacrosse scene.
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/16/12 01:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Yes it is so nice to see that so many of the top gun coaches completely dominate the D1 lacrosse scene.


Like!
Posted By: sectionxi Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/16/12 12:54 PM
It is nice to see two long island girls playing at such a high level, period.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/16/12 05:12 PM
its too bad the YJ directors will not support them. at stoneu brook last may, they were rooting against there own. what a shame
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/16/12 11:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
its too bad the YJ directors will not support them. at stoneu brook last may, they were rooting against there own. what a shame


I think you guys need to get past that already. You have your own club now to worry about. You should worry more about putting a competative team out there in all age groups and not what the YJ Directors may or may not be doing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/17/12 02:12 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
its too bad the YJ directors will not support them. at stoneu brook last may, they were rooting against there own. what a shame


I think you guys need to get past that already. You have your own club now to worry about. You should worry more about putting a competative team out there in all age groups and not what the YJ Directors may or may not be doing.


Done deal, see you at the summer tournaments, good luck.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/17/12 01:05 PM
Originally Posted by sectionxi
It is nice to see two long island girls playing at such a high level, period.


The article cagesage posted actually highlighted three girls from northwestern/topguns who all had standout performances in that game. There are many long island girls on that championship team, it is great to see long island lacrosse represented at the very highest level, congrats girls.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/22/12 10:04 PM
Check out article in Sundays newsday about Northwestern and Top Guns coaches. Its nice to see them get the recognition they deserve. Go Cats, go topguns.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/23/12 12:51 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Check out article in Sundays newsday about Northwestern and Top Guns coaches. Its nice to see them get the recognition they deserve. Go Cats, go topguns.
. I don't believe top guns was ever mentioned? Wonder why?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/23/12 01:49 AM
nobody said topguns was mentioned, just recognizing topguns coaches for there accomplishments at NU. Jealousy will get you nowhere. You must be real worried about topguns if your monotoring this site. you are pathetic. Do you feel threatened by topguns? The club you belong to must not be doing well. I can probably guess what club you belong to. Get a life.
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/23/12 02:08 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't believe top guns was ever mentioned? Wonder why?


Gee, neither was YJ. Wonder why? Doy, Newsday never mentions club teams in any sport. Get with the program.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/23/12 02:19 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
nobody said topguns was mentioned, just recognizing topguns coaches for there accomplishments at NU. Jealousy will get you nowhere. You must be real worried about topguns if your monotoring this site. you are pathetic. Do you feel threatened by topguns? The club you belong to must not be doing well. I can probably guess what club you belong to. Get a life.
. Wow defensive much! Just wondered since article was mainly about Shannon and her plans for after school yet never mentioned that she formed this huge club and I wondered why. Seems curious?Shouldn't she be proud of her club and wouldn't that be great publicity for her club to mention it in a long island newspaper??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/23/12 02:47 AM
dont wonder why, think about it you moron. common sense
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/23/12 03:21 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
dont wonder why, think about it you moron. common sense
. Yeah I guess I am slow. Why don't you explain it to me . Maybe you can answe it without the name calling?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/23/12 01:53 PM
yeah genius explain it for us morons.You seem to be the best example of your travel club all bravado with no true substance. All show and no go.
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/23/12 02:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can proJust wondered since article was mainly about Shannon and her plans for after school yet never mentioned that she formed this huge club and I wondered why. Seems curious?Shouldn't she be proud of her club and wouldn't that be great publicity for her club to mention it in a long island newspaper??


Clearly you don't read Newsday. Newsday has never mentioned any club teams for any sport in any article about any LI kid who's featured, ever. Stop trying to make drama where there isn't any.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/23/12 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yeah genius explain it for us morons.You seem to be the best example of your travel club all bravado with no true substance. All show and no go.


All of you sound liked a bunch of babies. This is not about you or your club, this was about Shannon, and other accomplished lax players way beyond club ball. Turns out Shannon is the best and most accomplished lacrosse player ever to come from long island, congrats to her. Good luck to her in whatever she chooses to do, top guns are very lucky to have her. Yj's should congratulate her and move on, not try to put a lame club spin on reasons not to support her. What she has accomplished in her NCAA career is amazing, and its not even over yet. Good luck to her in all that she does!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/24/12 04:54 PM
Being married to you "make and argument out of nothing" folks must be a complete dream. Jeez.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 02/24/12 08:01 PM
i think this guy is the moron
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/07/12 04:37 PM
Case in point above.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/23/12 10:50 AM
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Yes it is so nice to see that so many of the top gun coaches completely dominate the D1 lacrosse scene.


Like!

Great players doesn't a;ways translate into great coaches.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/23/12 04:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Yes it is so nice to see that so many of the top gun coaches completely dominate the D1 lacrosse scene.


Like!

Great players doesn't a;ways translate into great coaches.

What's "Big Daddys" credentials
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/23/12 05:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Yes it is so nice to see that so many of the top gun coaches completely dominate the D1 lacrosse scene.


Like!

Great players doesn't a;ways translate into great coaches.


That's certainly true. Of course having been a crappy player or never a player, doesn't mean you will be a good coach either. It's good to have coaches who have played at the very highest level as a starting point. Wether they turn into good coaches, you have to wait and see, but it's certainly wise to build "anything" on a good foundation.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/23/12 10:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Yes it is so nice to see that so many of the top gun coaches completely dominate the D1 lacrosse scene.


Like!

Great players doesn't a;ways translate into great coaches.

What's "Big Daddys" credentials

He sells wooden shafts, that's about it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/24/12 12:02 AM
Actually the shaft tent was empty !!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/24/12 01:34 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Yes it is so nice to see that so many of the top gun coaches completely dominate the D1 lacrosse scene.


Like!

Great players doesn't a;ways translate into great coaches.

What's "Big Daddys" credentials


I don't see him listed as a coach for any of the teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/24/12 01:56 AM
is that what you did all day, keep an eye on the shaft tent, what is wrong with you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/24/12 02:08 AM
please go back to your yj thread
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/24/12 03:10 AM
for starters i would bet he passed high school english (nice grammar) why don't you go back to your yj thread, oh that's right i heard that cr told all her zombies that they're not allowed on the botc forum anymore
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/24/12 11:28 PM
puppets not zombies. zombies is not nice.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/29/12 12:26 AM
After seeing a couple of practices I can confidently say TG is going to take over the girls lax world this summer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/29/12 12:48 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After seeing a couple of practices I can confidently say TG is going to take over the girls lax world this summer.


Please, please I beg you set up a scrimmage with Yellow Jackets Blue any age group so we can see what reality is.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/29/12 12:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After seeing a couple of practices I can confidently say TG is going to take over the girls lax world this summer.

Please, please I beg you set up a scrimmage with Yellow Jackets Blue any age group so we can see what reality is.
Perhaps one age group might excel and that discussion would be better placed on one of the girls age group threads.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/29/12 12:58 AM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After seeing a couple of practices I can confidently say TG is going to take over the girls lax world this summer.

Please, please I beg you set up a scrimmage with Yellow Jackets Blue any age group so we can see what reality is.
Perhaps one age group might excel and that discussion would be better placed on one of the girls age group threads.


Agree, what age group are you speaking about?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/29/12 01:43 AM
Can we see TG 2013 verbals please. Where is your list
Posted By: libertydad Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/29/12 02:32 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can we see TG 2013 verbals please. Where is your list
Why is this so important to the Yellow Jackets. The worth and success of a person or organization does not lie within its commitment list, or where one goes to college. But I guess some people can't see past the surface.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/29/12 11:37 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After seeing a couple of practices I can confidently say TG is going to take over the girls lax world this summer.


Please, please I beg you set up a scrimmage with Yellow Jackets Blue any age group so we can see what reality is.


Yellow Jackets Blue "A", Blue "B", Blue "C", Blue "D", or Blue "E"?
Posted By: sectionxi Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/29/12 12:33 PM
Why is it you always attribute every post you do not like to YJ. Not saying it was not YJ parent but who knows. Yes YJ has many obnoxious parents but so does TG Liberty etc.. Yes YJ has more numbers then most and in my opinion has more of every type parent from bad to good.It seems as you read thru these posts from all groups the obnoxious parents post more often then the good parents.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/29/12 05:53 PM
Originally Posted by sectionxi
Why is it you always attribute every post you do not like to YJ. Not saying it was not YJ parent but who knows. Yes YJ has many obnoxious parents but so does TG Liberty etc.. Yes YJ has more numbers then most and in my opinion has more of every type parent from bad to good.It seems as you read thru these posts from all groups the obnoxious parents post more often then the good parents.
We all know it's a yellow jacket parent. there the only group on the girls pages to ever bring it up. You all think your better than everyone els and your commitment page is the badge of honor you guys love to throw in every ones faces. The truth is it seems that most of the negativity originates from a comment made by some obnoxious yellow jacket parent bashing every other team and reminding us all how superior you guys THINK you are.
Posted By: sectionxi Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/29/12 06:30 PM
The funniest thing about your post is you assume I am a YJ parent when I have no child who has ever played for YJ. I will assume you have a child that plays TG. As to the person who was so impressed with TG practice my guess is you have a child on the very young age, as of now the best YJ teams still are the best teams on LI at age groups 2018 and above in general.I personally have not had my kids join any of the more popular travel teams because they are young and having 24 kids on a team is in my opinion ridiculous.To the Tg and Yj parents that want to drive to Maryland to play half of 25 minute games I have no problem with it ,it's just not for me.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/29/12 06:58 PM
Originally Posted by sectionxi
Why is it you always attribute every post you do not like to YJ. Not saying it was not YJ parent but who knows. Yes YJ has many obnoxious parents but so does TG Liberty etc.. Yes YJ has more numbers then most and in my opinion has more of every type parent from bad to good.It seems as you read thru these posts from all groups the obnoxious parents post more often then the good parents.


It was not a YJ parent. We all know It can't be because they are not allowed on the BOTC.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/29/12 07:11 PM
Originally Posted by sectionxi
The funniest thing about your post is you assume I am a YJ parent when I have no child who has ever played for YJ. I will assume you have a child that plays TG. As to the person who was so impressed with TG practice my guess is you have a child on the very young age, as of now the best YJ teams still are the best teams on LI at age groups 2018 and above in general.I personally have not had my kids join any of the more popular travel teams because they are young and having 24 kids on a team is in my opinion ridiculous.To the Tg and Yj parents that want to drive to Maryland to play half of 25 minute games I have no problem with it ,it's just not for me.


You are obviously not from TG or YJ's because you have no clue. What tournament are you even talking about? With two days of pool play and playoffs games leading to a championship game, these girls see about the same amount of playing time in one weekend as they will for an entire town team season. Of course your daughter's team would have to make it into the playoffs to advance to all these games and the extra playing time. Maybe that's why it's worth it playing for one of the more popular clubs, they actually do give you more bang for your buck.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 03/29/12 08:48 PM
You people all need to get a life and stop arguing on this site. You all look so childish. Have some self respect and simply encourage your own kids. From a players stand point you are so ridiculous. Real good example you are setting.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/11/12 02:24 PM
How did the TG teams do this weekend
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/12/12 12:36 AM
tg 2015 purple got rocked gave up 62 goals in 4 games .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/19/12 08:17 PM
TG 2015 Purple won Championship in their "Elite" Division at All American Showcase this past weekend. Congrats to the girls for their hard work.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/20/12 11:07 AM

How about 2017 Black ?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
TG 2015 Purple won Championship in their "Elite" Division at All American Showcase this past weekend. Congrats to the girls for their hard work.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/20/12 12:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TG 2015 Purple won Championship in their "Elite" Division at All American Showcase this past weekend. Congrats to the girls for their hard work.


How come they didn't play in the top Division in the All American Showcase??? They missed playing some of the top teams (Skywalkers, M&D, etc...)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/21/12 10:50 AM
no top divisions those are just names they gave each division top guns did not play the best .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/21/12 12:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
no top divisions those are just names they gave each division top guns did not play the best .


Top guns 2015 black did not play the best teams in the 2015 age group., period. They should challenge themselves at the next tournament!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/21/12 01:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
no top divisions those are just names they gave each division top guns did not play the best .


Top guns 2015 black did not play the best teams in the 2015 age group., period. They should challenge themselves at the next tournament!


I am sure the TG club appreciates your guidance and advise. I would put it back on you and advise you to challenge yourself and see if you can up your game and show some appreciation for the hard work these youngsters put in. BTW, the players don't care about the immature ramblings of many on here. Frankly it is obviously the empty and immature words of parents who never grew up. ALL these young ladies deserve a pat on the back for staying above the low level of sportsmanship shown on this site.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/21/12 03:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
no top divisions those are just names they gave each division top guns did not play the best .


Top guns 2015 black did not play the best teams in the 2015 age group., period. They should challenge themselves at the next tournament!
My daughter played at this event in the Champions division and I can tell you without a doubt some of the best teams in this age played in the champions division. The Elite division was defiantly a "B" division, extreme a "C" div etc... Not to take anything away from T.G. 2015 black, congrats on winning your division you all worked very hard
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/21/12 07:16 PM
Why would they put themselves in the B division , did teams actually have to rank their levels or were the divisions you were in just luck of the draw. It seems different travel clubs have different philosophies from what I can tell . TG at least on the younger ends seem to try to build confidence so sometimes play weaker tournaments and or divisions, rarely playing up in age while I have seen their counterpart overdue it ,playing too far up in age throwing the better younger teams into the fire . Not sure which is the better way to go.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/21/12 08:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why would they put themselves in the B division , did teams actually have to rank their levels or were the divisions you were in just luck of the draw. It seems different travel clubs have different philosophies from what I can tell . TG at least on the younger ends seem to try to build confidence so sometimes play weaker tournaments and or divisions, rarely playing up in age while I have seen their counterpart overdue it ,playing too far up in age throwing the better younger teams into the fire . Not sure which is the better way to go.


TG 2015 black is continually trying to compare themselves to the top YJ teams.... B division is not how you show that you can run with the big dogs!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/21/12 08:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why would they put themselves in the B division , did teams actually have to rank their levels or were the divisions you were in just luck of the draw. It seems different travel clubs have different philosophies from what I can tell . TG at least on the younger ends seem to try to build confidence so sometimes play weaker tournaments and or divisions, rarely playing up in age while I have seen their counterpart overdue it ,playing too far up in age throwing the better younger teams into the fire . Not sure which is the better way to go.


There is zero confusion here, the Elite division was absolutely the "B" division as compared to the Champions division. It wasn't random at all - teams decided where they wanted to be placed, but who cares? Congrats to Top Guns for winning, either way.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/21/12 09:10 PM
Sorry but winning the B division with their top level team and then wanting to be compared to other top programs is sad. I noticed their 2016 team also played B level , I have unfortunately had to hear several of their parents talking this week and gloating over winning the tournament and how great the competition was , seems they forgot to mention the B level thing. If the teams actually got to pick the level then that says more about their actual ability then winning the tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/21/12 11:37 PM
Anyone else notice it seems to be all YJ people on here making noise?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/22/12 12:28 AM
why did the schedule change for National Draw this weekend? At first YJ 2016 Blue (or not so blue) was going to play the 2016 Top Guns Black now for some unknown reason they are not playing each other anymore. Maybe YJ pulled some strings and they feel they have a better chance of making it out of the bracket if they dont play each other and rely on goals against instead of playing them and possibly suffering a loss.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/22/12 12:31 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
no top divisions those are just names they gave each division top guns did not play the best .


Top guns 2015 black did not play the best teams in the 2015 age group., period. They should challenge themselves at the next tournament!


I am sure the TG club appreciates your guidance and advise. I would put it back on you and advise you to challenge yourself and see if you can up your game and show some appreciation for the hard work these youngsters put in. BTW, the players don't care about the immature ramblings of many on here. Frankly it is obviously the empty and immature words of parents who never grew up. ALL these young ladies deserve a pat on the back for staying above the low level of sportsmanship shown on this site.


Sure, pat the backs of the girls who lost 18-1 and 16-3.... keep up the hard work in the "B" division...I'm sure all the "mature, grown up" TG parents were whooping it up on the sidelines for those games!!! You are right, the kids don't know the difference, you, the TG parents and the administrators should know better than to have the team play in a division like that... Challenge yourselves, lose a close game...it's better for your daughter's developments...you are too blind to see that apparently!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/22/12 01:12 AM
How about congratulations girls, you worked hard!! What is wrong with people? The only people I see comparing is the YJ parents. A win is a win is a win!! Stop living through your kids and get a life!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/22/12 01:40 AM
YJ has much better things to do with their time!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/22/12 02:01 AM
Good luck girls this weekend! Many will be playing against friends!! It's nice to know at least the girls will remain friends regardless of who wins/loses...it's all about lacrosse!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/22/12 03:44 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
why did the schedule change for National Draw this weekend? At first YJ 2016 Blue (or not so blue) was going to play the 2016 Top Guns Black now for some unknown reason they are not playing each other anymore. Maybe YJ pulled some strings and they feel they have a better chance of making it out of the bracket if they dont play each other and rely on goals against instead of playing them and possibly suffering a loss.

Could be , or maybe your coach called and advised them you are really a B division team and it would not be fair to play against an A level team, who knows, the only facts I know for sure are that when possible you guys play B division, but at least you beat that tuff bear team by a goal in the semis ,the funny thing is you guys are actually good enough to compete in the A division but your coach does not think so.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/22/12 04:02 AM
"a win is a win is a win" are you serious? Do you not want to challenge your athletes to be the best they can be? Let me guess, the parent that wrote that little ditty does a lot of fist pumping when his daughter scores the 16th goal in a 17 to 2 blow out of a b level team. Good for you. I hope your daughter scores a lot of goals on J.V. as an 11th grader.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/22/12 04:11 AM
"A win is a win is a win" What the heck are you talking about?
You are embarassing yourself and our club.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/22/12 04:56 AM
to the "a win is a win is a win" parent. I hear the north fork 2nd grade team is looking for some good competition, you should give them a call.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/22/12 05:24 AM
What I saw in the championship level games were girls at the 2013 group with signed bands on their arms. Ok, a team with 22 girls with early signed bands on their arms playing against girls with no girls with early commit bands. Of course alot of the games were not equal.

However keeping in mind what the focus is at the rising junior/senior year means, the college coach seating areas were packed with coaches. So somebody is watching. I watched some of the non TG, Liberty, YJ, Maryland/Virginia games. VERY few coaches watching. Most of the non East coast games were low level HS games at best.

Winning games means nothing when your in your final years.
My view is be grateful we can produce teams and girls with talent that in the "college recruiting world" we have coaches sitting watching our girls games. Whether Liberty, Top Guns, Yellow Jackets, Wave, etc. Who really cares. If the goal for your daughter is to play beyond HS and enjoys it, scholarship or no scholarship why bicker about it?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/22/12 10:37 AM
If your child ever ends up in "that division" do I feel bad for her. The message should be about working hard and playing your best no matter what division you are playing. Some girls will play higher than others, isn't that why there is Division I, Division II and Division III? Does it lessen the competitiveness in each division if you play lower than DI. Absolutely not! Get off your high horses and start sending the right message to your children. Parents are by far worse than the kids playing. I don't believe their conservations begin with Hi.... I played in "A"bracket where did you play?..Take a lesson from your kids, chill out and just watch some good competitive lacrosse. Give it up already it is getting boring!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/22/12 11:02 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone else notice it seems to be all YJ people on here making noise?
So funny you people are so obsessed with YJ , while I was watching one of your games last week in pa your parents were on the sideline comparing their team to YJ. Of course in their minds your TG team would destroy the same age YJ team , all the while playing in the B division. Too funny
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/22/12 11:58 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
YJ has much better things to do with their time!


Like spending their time on the TG thread worrying about what brackets they are playing in.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/22/12 12:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone else notice it seems to be all YJ people on here making noise?
So funny you people are so obsessed with YJ , while I was watching one of your games last week in pa your parents were on the sideline comparing their team to YJ. Of course in their minds your TG team would destroy the same age YJ team , all the while playing in the B division. Too funny


Who is obsessed here? Is it not you and all the yj parents on here commenting? Look in the mirror!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/22/12 12:34 PM
Maybe I can sum this up? A couple of weeks ago Aa Top Gun parent posted

"After seeing a couple of practices I can confidently say TG is going to take over the girls lax world this summer."

some would say that was a taunt to other clubs, lets be honest ,we all look at the other clubs threads. In my opinion it was a direct taunt to the Y.J. , but even if it wasn't it set up the club for situations like this.

A win is a win , but a quality loss is better than a cheep win.

Maybe the directors signed up late and couldn't get into the Champions division but I think we all know thats not true, the T.G. brass put them in that division to assure a win. It seems to me the only people that truly care about wins and losses is Top Guns, followed in a close second by the Yellow Jackets who went to Best Of the Beach and played in there "A" division and won the tourney against who? The team that beat them the week before, the team that beat that team, and the team that won that tourney were all in the PA. "A" division. Another assured tourney championship to post on the web site.

SHAME ON BOTH CLUBS



Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/22/12 12:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maybe I can sum this up? A couple of weeks ago Aa Top Gun parent posted

"After seeing a couple of practices I can confidently say TG is going to take over the girls lax world this summer."

some would say that was a taunt to other clubs, lets be honest ,we all look at the other clubs threads. In my opinion it was a direct taunt to the Y.J. , but even if it wasn't it set up the club for situations like this.

A win is a win , but a quality loss is better than a cheep win.

Maybe the directors signed up late and couldn't get into the Champions division but I think we all know thats not true, the T.G. brass put them in that division to assure a win. It seems to me the only people that truly care about wins and losses is Top Guns, followed in a close second by the Yellow Jackets who went to Best Of the Beach and played in there "A" division and won the tourney against who? The team that beat them the week before, the team that beat that team, and the team that won that tourney were all in the PA. "A" division. Another assured tourney championship to post on the web site.

SHAME ON BOTH CLUBS



Sorry I apologize it was the Lax By the Sea
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/22/12 02:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If your child ever ends up in "that division" do I feel bad for her. The message should be about working hard and playing your best no matter what division you are playing. Some girls will play higher than others, isn't that why there is Division I, Division II and Division III? Does it lessen the competitiveness in each division if you play lower than DI. Absolutely not! Get off your high horses and start sending the right message to your children. Parents are by far worse than the kids playing. I don't believe their conservations begin with Hi.... I played in "A"bracket where did you play?..Take a lesson from your kids, chill out and just watch some good competitive lacrosse. Give it up already it is getting boring!!!


18-1 and 16-3 is good, competitive lacrosse??? Why don't you ask the parents/kids on the team you were playing what they think!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/25/12 01:08 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
why did the schedule change for National Draw this weekend? At first YJ 2016 Blue (or not so blue) was going to play the 2016 Top Guns Black now for some unknown reason they are not playing each other anymore. Maybe YJ pulled some strings and they feel they have a better chance of making it out of the bracket if they dont play each other and rely on goals against instead of playing them and possibly suffering a loss.

Could be , or maybe your coach called and advised them you are really a B division team and it would not be fair to play against an A level team, who knows, the only facts I know for sure are that when possible you guys play B division, but at least you beat that tuff bear team by a goal in the semis ,the funny thing is you guys are actually good enough to compete in the A division but your coach does not think so.


That Bear lax club is pretty good.... tall, fast California athletes,.. They are a team to be watched out for And BTW they would've beat a lot of the teams that took the field this weekend at national draw
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/25/12 12:18 PM
that team is so good they put themselves in the B division with your TG team, seems strange that you want to claim to be one of the top travel programs around in such a short period of time then place yourselves in the B division. Just curious why the B division
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/25/12 02:05 PM
I can't answer that as I was not consulted, maybe the tournament should consider revising the bracket names Champion , Elite, Extreme, you tell me which is which based on the names
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/25/12 02:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can't answer that as I was not consulted, maybe the tournament should consider revising the bracket names Champion , Elite, Extreme, you tell me which is which based on the names
Your Kidding , This is the biggest case of denial I have ever seen. First , All the best travel clubs on the east coast were in the champions division , Second every tournament list the divisions from top to bottom, A,B,C,. Third ,if you read the tourney web site it tells you that the club directors decide what bracket a team will be in according to skill level. fourth, all you had to do was go the the tourney directors tent that day and they would have told you Champions = A, Elite =B etc....
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/25/12 02:29 PM
How are teams assigned to brackets? Does the tournament staff base it on past records? Does the club make the request? A combination of both?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/25/12 05:20 PM
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
How are teams assigned to brackets? Does the tournament staff base it on past records? Does the club make the request? A combination of both?

The word from National Draw officals regarding scheduling was caused by CR new color system; pairings speak for themselves. Younger Blue teams usually get knocked off and rightfully so by the M&D's and TG's 18's.Littlers only one 18 Blue and one 19 Blue both put in opposite divisions and could only match up in finals. Same in Varsity 13 Blue and 14 Blue could only match up in finals. Now look in Risers and JV where there are (2) 2016 Blue and (2) 2017 Blue same goes for (2) 2015 Blue all were placed in the same bracket. Why? Let them knock each other out early!!! Didn't happen to ant other club that clearly distinguishes top team in each age group. Littlers and Varsity with "old" Blue/Gold distinction got seperated and Risers and JV new Blue/Blue Gold/Gold distinction didin't. Keep playing games CR with your club, you made it easier for the rest of us. TG closed the gap very quickly won't be long now before you get passed up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/25/12 05:41 PM
Keep dreaming!! There was no confusion. The only dazed and confused person was mr top gun himself!! BS looked dazed and confused fighting with everyone all weekend. Get a grip on yourself.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/25/12 05:42 PM
To all TG parents from a TG parent. Could you please stop talking about the YJ and CR for one minute. You make us look like a bunch of complainers. If you're happy like I am, don't worry about them. Cheer on our girls and our program. Stop talking about the Yellow Jackets!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/26/12 01:10 AM
I 100 percent agree with this post, stop taking about CR and YJ program. Go support your daughters, play lacrosse, the rest will all play out. It's just a game and it sounds petty . Let them do the complaining take the high road
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/26/12 05:49 AM
You guys complain about CR but I've never seen her act like Daddy S did this weekend. Your club should be embarrassed
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/26/12 12:03 PM
Yeah she is just sneaky and does things behind the scenes, At least he is open and stands up for what he believes, so who is the embarrassment? I think you have that one wrong again.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/26/12 01:06 PM
No camparison he is a complete joke!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/26/12 04:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No camparison he is a complete joke!

Dean Vernon Wormer:Fat,Drunk and stupid is know way to go through life son!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/26/12 04:49 PM
Why don't you learn how to spell comparison first, now who is the embarrassed one
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/27/12 12:57 AM
The Top Guns aren't sneaky? They held a full tryout, collected $35 from a bunch of girls and afterwards we heard they only had room for one 'new' player. The rest didn't make it, which was fine even though they were all quality players. They said they only were having one team for the age group... OK with that.

BUT THEN...they add a second (B) Purple team to the same age group. But instead of asking the kids who tried out the first time to start the new team, or have a second tryout, they hand picked a 2nd team from hometown West Babylon players and friends with the WB varsity coach as the coach. Does this seem fair to anyone else?

The TG parents should also let their kids know that most of their coaches are former Yellow Jackets and that's part of the reason they became the players they are.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/27/12 02:29 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Top Guns aren't sneaky? They held a full tryout, collected $35 from a bunch of girls and afterwards we heard they only had room for one 'new' player. The rest didn't make it, which was fine even though they were all quality players. They said they only were having one team for the age group... OK with that.

BUT THEN...they add a second (B) Purple team to the same age group. But instead of asking the kids who tried out the first time to start the new team, or have a second tryout, they hand picked a 2nd team from hometown West Babylon players and friends with the WB varsity coach as the coach. Does this seem fair to anyone else?

The TG parents should also let their kids know that most of their coaches are former Yellow Jackets and that's part of the reason they became the players they are.
My daughter is a 2015 player that tried out for Top Guns. She is a very good player, better than the girls that are on the top guns black team in the same position. A few months after try outs at a high school practice an older T.G. player that is close to the smith family told her that she had no chance of making that squad because the roster was already in place weeks before. I don't mind a team that secures spots for girls, most teams do. I do mind taking money from families in a bad economy that have no chance of making the team thats just dishonest. Quite frankly the team isn't that good , and she is quite happy where she is/was and wouldn't have played for them anyway. If they want to be like the Wave than just say so and stop taking peoples hard earned money and post on the site that the squad is set unless someone drops out. I also have to disagree with the statement that the the coaches that were Y.J's got to there level because of the Y.J's. They got there through hard work and practice. not because of the jersey on there back 2 months a year. Anyway good luck to you beating up B level talent.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/27/12 09:30 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Top Guns aren't sneaky? They held a full tryout, collected $35 from a bunch of girls and afterwards we heard they only had room for one 'new' player. The rest didn't make it, which was fine even though they were all quality players. They said they only were having one team for the age group... OK with that.

BUT THEN...they add a second (B) Purple team to the same age group. But instead of asking the kids who tried out the first time to start the new team, or have a second tryout, they hand picked a 2nd team from hometown West Babylon players and friends with the WB varsity coach as the coach. Does this seem fair to anyone else?

The TG parents should also let their kids know that most of their coaches are former Yellow Jackets and that's part of the reason they became the players they are.
My daughter is a 2015 player that tried out for Top Guns. She is a very good player, better than the girls that are on the top guns black team in the same position. A few months after try outs at a high school practice an older T.G. player that is close to the smith family told her that she had no chance of making that squad because the roster was already in place weeks before. I don't mind a team that secures spots for girls, most teams do. I do mind taking money from families in a bad economy that have no chance of making the team thats just dishonest. Quite frankly the team isn't that good , and she is quite happy where she is/was and wouldn't have played for them anyway. If they want to be like the Wave than just say so and stop taking peoples hard earned money and post on the site that the squad is set unless someone drops out. I also have to disagree with the statement that the the coaches that were Y.J's got to there level because of the Y.J's. They got there through hard work and practice. not because of the jersey on there back 2 months a year. Anyway good luck to you beating up B level talent.


I also have a daughter who attended the 2015 tryout. It was a joke! This discussion took place right after. If you go back you can read about the tryouts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/27/12 01:30 PM
Let me ask a question if you think they are "not that good" 2015 team, which of course they are, why did you try out in the first place? In this poor economy, that seems silly to try out for a team your not even interested in!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/27/12 02:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let me ask a question if you think they are "not that good" 2015 team, which of course they are, why did you try out in the first place? In this poor economy, that seems silly to try out for a team your not even interested in!
You seem to be very short sighted, I have been very fortunate in this latest economy, but many others have not. To hold a "try out" and collect money from people knowing that your team is set is just dishonest. Like another poster said if your looking only to replace a middie and an attacker, then post that so every one knows and goalies and defenders don't waste there money. As far as 2015 black not being that good , obviously you coaches and directors don't think so either placing them in "B" divisions and going to week tournys. And maybe you have the gift of foresight , but I didn't know back in september that that team would be so week. good luck beating up on 91 white and fl$ , I would say we'll see you on the field but we play in the top divisions so the it is very unlikely.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/27/12 02:53 PM
All these travel programs pretty much treat the tryouts the same. There obviously is a team intact and every team is looking to upgrade the backend. If your daughter is a standout talent, she would be offered a spot on the team (any team). If the talent is close even in your daughters favor, no position will be made for her. Go back to the threads during all the different clubs tryouts and all you hear is everbody crying foul and politics and on and on........
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/27/12 04:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Top Guns aren't sneaky? They held a full tryout, collected $35 from a bunch of girls and afterwards we heard they only had room for one 'new' player. The rest didn't make it, which was fine even though they were all quality players. They said they only were having one team for the age group... OK with that.

BUT THEN...they add a second (B) Purple team to the same age group. But instead of asking the kids who tried out the first time to start the new team, or have a second tryout, they hand picked a 2nd team from hometown West Babylon players and friends with the WB varsity coach as the coach. Does this seem fair to anyone else?

The TG parents should also let their kids know that most of their coaches are former Yellow Jackets and that's part of the reason they became the players they are.
My daughter is a 2015 player that tried out for Top Guns. She is a very good player, better than the girls that are on the top guns black team in the same position. A few months after try outs at a high school practice an older T.G. player that is close to the smith family told her that she had no chance of making that squad because the roster was already in place weeks before. I don't mind a team that secures spots for girls, most teams do. I do mind taking money from families in a bad economy that have no chance of making the team thats just dishonest. Quite frankly the team isn't that good , and she is quite happy where she is/was and wouldn't have played for them anyway. If they want to be like the Wave than just say so and stop taking peoples hard earned money and post on the site that the squad is set unless someone drops out. I also have to disagree with the statement that the the coaches that were Y.J's got to there level because of the Y.J's. They got there through hard work and practice. not because of the jersey on there back 2 months a year. Anyway good luck to you beating up B level talent.


Let's see if we all understand...
1- The team is not that good.
2- Your superstar wasn't going to play even is selected post tryout.
3- it's a tough economy.

These are your words right?

Then why try out? Why spend your hard earned money in this tough economy? Why try out for a team that is not that good?

Just trying to understand your point that's all. Would you rather all the clubs have free tryouts so folks like you (who have no intention of playing anyway...your words) can waste everyone's time?
Just wondering...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/27/12 05:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Top Guns aren't sneaky? They held a full tryout, collected $35 from a bunch of girls and afterwards we heard they only had room for one 'new' player. The rest didn't make it, which was fine even though they were all quality players. They said they only were having one team for the age group... OK with that.

BUT THEN...they add a second (B) Purple team to the same age group. But instead of asking the kids who tried out the first time to start the new team, or have a second tryout, they hand picked a 2nd team from hometown West Babylon players and friends with the WB varsity coach as the coach. Does this seem fair to anyone else?

The TG parents should also let their kids know that most of their coaches are former Yellow Jackets and that's part of the reason they became the players they are.
My daughter is a 2015 player that tried out for Top Guns. She is a very good player, better than the girls that are on the top guns black team in the same position. A few months after try outs at a high school practice an older T.G. player that is close to the smith family told her that she had no chance of making that squad because the roster was already in place weeks before. I don't mind a team that secures spots for girls, most teams do. I do mind taking money from families in a bad economy that have no chance of making the team thats just dishonest. Quite frankly the team isn't that good , and she is quite happy where she is/was and wouldn't have played for them anyway. If they want to be like the Wave than just say so and stop taking peoples hard earned money and post on the site that the squad is set unless someone drops out. I also have to disagree with the statement that the the coaches that were Y.J's got to there level because of the Y.J's. They got there through hard work and practice. not because of the jersey on there back 2 months a year. Anyway good luck to you beating up B level talent.


Let's see if we all understand...
1- The team is not that good.
2- Your superstar wasn't going to play even is selected post tryout.
3- it's a tough economy.

These are your words right?

Then why try out? Why spend your hard earned money in this tough economy? Why try out for a team that is not that good?

Just trying to understand your point that's all. Would you rather all the clubs have free tryouts so folks like you (who have no intention of playing anyway...your words) can waste everyone's time?
Just wondering...
Your talking about wasting peoples time? Your daughter must be one of those scary talents tearing up the "B" division on 2015 black, you know the ones I'm talking about , the ones that knew pre try out that there spot was secure. It seems you should be thanking me for supplementing your scary talented team. Lets just say that curiosity got the best of my daughter and she wanted to see if the grass was greener. It took her less than a minuet after try outs to tell me 2 things. 1 these girls, with a few exceptions, are not as good as her previous years team. 2 the roster was all ready set, it was that obvious to anyone that knows the game. so it seems that the only people that wasted other peoples time was Shannon Smith, and Steve levy. And lastly you must be a house frau if you don't know that it's a bad economy. No offense, I'm just trying to understand how some one doesn't understand that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/27/12 07:47 PM
What the h___ are you talking about. My daughter is on the 2015 team. New players were added to both the Black and the Purple teams (and not from WB). That means your daughter must really be bad if she didn't make either of the squads. Please get your info correct before you babble on and spread rumors that are not just true.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/27/12 08:06 PM
And by the way, the winner of the 2015 bracket at the National Draw came from the "D" division. Shows you what the meaning of the order of divisions were-NOTHING
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/27/12 09:19 PM
Um sorry you are so short sighted and still didn't answer the question, why did you tryout if you didn't want to play on the team?? Obviously you must have thought they were good to tryout and guess what ? We have never played 91 or fl$ so get your facts straight .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/27/12 09:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And by the way, the winner of the 2015 bracket at the National Draw came from the "D" division. Shows you what the meaning of the order of divisions were-NOTHING
Your either not that bright or in complete denial
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/27/12 10:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Top Guns aren't sneaky? They held a full tryout, collected $35 from a bunch of girls and afterwards we heard they only had room for one 'new' player. The rest didn't make it, which was fine even though they were all quality players. They said they only were having one team for the age group... OK with that.

BUT THEN...they add a second (B) Purple team to the same age group. But instead of asking the kids who tried out the first time to start the new team, or have a second tryout, they hand picked a 2nd team from hometown West Babylon players and friends with the WB varsity coach as the coach. Does this seem fair to anyone else?

The TG parents should also let their kids know that most of their coaches are former Yellow Jackets and that's part of the reason they became the players they are.
My daughter is a 2015 player that tried out for Top Guns. She is a very good player, better than the girls that are on the top guns black team in the same position. A few months after try outs at a high school practice an older T.G. player that is close to the smith family told her that she had no chance of making that squad because the roster was already in place weeks before. I don't mind a team that secures spots for girls, most teams do. I do mind taking money from families in a bad economy that have no chance of making the team thats just dishonest. Quite frankly the team isn't that good , and she is quite happy where she is/was and wouldn't have played for them anyway. If they want to be like the Wave than just say so and stop taking peoples hard earned money and post on the site that the squad is set unless someone drops out. I also have to disagree with the statement that the the coaches that were Y.J's got to there level because of the Y.J's. They got there through hard work and practice. not because of the jersey on there back 2 months a year. Anyway good luck to you beating up B level talent.


Let's see if we all understand...
1- The team is not that good.
2- Your superstar wasn't going to play even is selected post tryout.
3- it's a tough economy.

These are your words right?

Then why try out? Why spend your hard earned money in this tough economy? Why try out for a team that is not that good?

Just trying to understand your point that's all. Would you rather all the clubs have free tryouts so folks like you (who have no intention of playing anyway...your words) can waste everyone's time?
Just wondering...
Your talking about wasting peoples time? Your daughter must be one of those scary talents tearing up the "B" division on 2015 black, you know the ones I'm talking about , the ones that knew pre try out that there spot was secure. It seems you should be thanking me for supplementing your scary talented team. Lets just say that curiosity got the best of my daughter and she wanted to see if the grass was greener. It took her less than a minuet after try outs to tell me 2 things. 1 these girls, with a few exceptions, are not as good as her previous years team. 2 the roster was all ready set, it was that obvious to anyone that knows the game. so it seems that the only people that wasted other peoples time was Shannon Smith, and Steve levy. And lastly you must be a house frau if you don't know that it's a bad economy. No offense, I'm just trying to understand how some one doesn't understand that.


All the other clubs all have free tryouts and just dump players for other marginal players? I thought all the sour, rejected hurt feelings would have faded by now, and that goes for all the LI clubs tryouts. There are plenty of walk on teams out there, TG Blk and YJ Blue are not them! There were many YJ players at TG tryouts last year, I think most were non blue players hoping to make black and were mad when they didn't make the black, you know, looking for greener grass. Whatever, practice hard, try again for black or blue. I see YJ tryouts being an advantage as players who make less than blue have little other option than to play on another color.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/28/12 12:25 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Um sorry you are so short sighted and still didn't answer the question, why did you tryout if you didn't want to play on the team?? Obviously you must have thought they were good to tryout and guess what ? We have never played 91 or fl$ so get your facts straight .
you are truly an arrogant simpleminded person. If you would have calmed down enough to comprehend the posts I mad you would have read that my daughter had heard that T.G was a decent team so she went to try outs as did many Y.J. 91 and express girls did , you are the new kids on the block so people were interested in seeing what you were about. You seem t think that all these girls were cut, closer to the truth is that Shannon and Steve all ready had the rosters set, including who would be dropped to purple , and who would take there place on black. the try out was a sham. Unfortunately most parents weren't in on the ruse , or I'm sure they , like me , would not have wasted our time . I know many girls on both 2014 teams , and both 2015 teams, some are very good , and some are not. I assume your daughter was one of the greased in players and that why your so offended. As to the poster that wrote post # 14195, if there are teams that have free try outs for the "marginal players" as you put it, I wouldn't know . My daughter went to 2 try outs your sham , and the team shes on. As far as MD playing in a "D" bracket, that tournament was set up differently than the IWLCA in PA. . that was set up for "A" teams to play "A" team , and "B" teams to play "B" teams. thats why in PA. there were multiple champions per age group, and at national draw there was only 1 over all champion. Now take your meds, and learn the difference.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/28/12 02:02 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Top Guns aren't sneaky? They held a full tryout, collected $35 from a bunch of girls and afterwards we heard they only had room for one 'new' player. The rest didn't make it, which was fine even though they were all quality players. They said they only were having one team for the age group... OK with that.

BUT THEN...they add a second (B) Purple team to the same age group. But instead of asking the kids who tried out the first time to start the new team, or have a second tryout, they hand picked a 2nd team from hometown West Babylon players and friends with the WB varsity coach as the coach. Does this seem fair to anyone else?

The TG parents should also let their kids know that most of their coaches are former Yellow Jackets and that's part of the reason they became the players they are.
My daughter is a 2015 player that tried out for Top Guns. She is a very good player, better than the girls that are on the top guns black team in the same position. A few months after try outs at a high school practice an older T.G. player that is close to the smith family told her that she had no chance of making that squad because the roster was already in place weeks before. I don't mind a team that secures spots for girls, most teams do. I do mind taking money from families in a bad economy that have no chance of making the team thats just dishonest. Quite frankly the team isn't that good , and she is quite happy where she is/was and wouldn't have played for them anyway. If they want to be like the Wave than just say so and stop taking peoples hard earned money and post on the site that the squad is set unless someone drops out. I also have to disagree with the statement that the the coaches that were Y.J's got to there level because of the Y.J's. They got there through hard work and practice. not because of the jersey on there back 2 months a year. Anyway good luck to you beating up B level talent.


Let's see if we all understand...
1- The team is not that good.
2- Your superstar wasn't going to play even is selected post tryout.
3- it's a tough economy.

These are your words right?

Then why try out? Why spend your hard earned money in this tough economy? Why try out for a team that is not that good?

Just trying to understand your point that's all. Would you rather all the clubs have free tryouts so folks like you (who have no intention of playing anyway...your words) can waste everyone's time?
Just wondering...
Your talking about wasting peoples time? Your daughter must be one of those scary talents tearing up the "B" division on 2015 black, you know the ones I'm talking about , the ones that knew pre try out that there spot was secure. It seems you should be thanking me for supplementing your scary talented team. Lets just say that curiosity got the best of my daughter and she wanted to see if the grass was greener. It took her less than a minuet after try outs to tell me 2 things. 1 these girls, with a few exceptions, are not as good as her previous years team. 2 the roster was all ready set, it was that obvious to anyone that knows the game. so it seems that the only people that wasted other peoples time was Shannon Smith, and Steve levy. And lastly you must be a house frau if you don't know that it's a bad economy. No offense, I'm just trying to understand how some one doesn't understand that.


First I do take offense you brainless waste of space. I started asking some pointed questions and you respond with name calling so right back at you. Second it seems you must be one of those weak wussies who was stuffed into one too many lockers in your life causing you to fight your battles on a computer instead of in person. Third, keep your daughter and yourself on your current team because stinking, gutless piles of weakling are not welcome elsewhere. Does that level of communication work for you? If not possibly we will meet some day and it can be explained better.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/28/12 02:08 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And by the way, the winner of the 2015 bracket at the National Draw came from the "D" division. Shows you what the meaning of the order of divisions were-NOTHING


He is talking about the tournament in new jersey, where top guns specifically entered into the B division.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/28/12 02:10 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Um sorry you are so short sighted and still didn't answer the question, why did you tryout if you didn't want to play on the team?? Obviously you must have thought they were good to tryout and guess what ? We have never played 91 or fl$ so get your facts straight .
you are truly an arrogant simpleminded person. If you would have calmed down enough to comprehend the posts I mad you would have read that my daughter had heard that T.G was a decent team so she went to try outs as did many Y.J. 91 and express girls did , you are the new kids on the block so people were interested in seeing what you were about. You seem t think that all these girls were cut, closer to the truth is that Shannon and Steve all ready had the rosters set, including who would be dropped to purple , and who would take there place on black. the try out was a sham. Unfortunately most parents weren't in on the ruse , or I'm sure they , like me , would not have wasted our time . I know many girls on both 2014 teams , and both 2015 teams, some are very good , and some are not. I assume your daughter was one of the greased in players and that why your so offended. As to the poster that wrote post # 14195, if there are teams that have free try outs for the "marginal players" as you put it, I wouldn't know . My daughter went to 2 try outs your sham , and the team shes on. As far as MD playing in a "D" bracket, that tournament was set up differently than the IWLCA in PA. . that was set up for "A" teams to play "A" team , and "B" teams to play "B" teams. thats why in PA. there were multiple champions per age group, and at national draw there was only 1 over all champion. Now take your meds, and learn the difference.


Who cares...your past posts prove you are a clueless, nonsensical loser. Lets not pay attention to annoying fleas like this. Go back to your own teams site...probably booted off by your own team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/28/12 02:28 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Um sorry you are so short sighted and still didn't answer the question, why did you tryout if you didn't want to play on the team?? Obviously you must have thought they were good to tryout and guess what ? We have never played 91 or fl$ so get your facts straight .
you are truly an arrogant simpleminded person. If you would have calmed down enough to comprehend the posts I mad you would have read that my daughter had heard that T.G was a decent team so she went to try outs as did many Y.J. 91 and express girls did , you are the new kids on the block so people were interested in seeing what you were about. You seem t think that all these girls were cut, closer to the truth is that Shannon and Steve all ready had the rosters set, including who would be dropped to purple , and who would take there place on black. the try out was a sham. Unfortunately most parents weren't in on the ruse , or I'm sure they , like me , would not have wasted our time . I know many girls on both 2014 teams , and both 2015 teams, some are very good , and some are not. I assume your daughter was one of the greased in players and that why your so offended. As to the poster that wrote post # 14195, if there are teams that have free try outs for the "marginal players" as you put it, I wouldn't know . My daughter went to 2 try outs your sham , and the team shes on. As far as MD playing in a "D" bracket, that tournament was set up differently than the IWLCA in PA. . that was set up for "A" teams to play "A" team , and "B" teams to play "B" teams. thats why in PA. there were multiple champions per age group, and at national draw there was only 1 over all champion. Now take your meds, and learn the difference.


Who cares...your past posts prove you are a clueless, nonsensical loser. Lets not pay attention to annoying fleas like this. Go back to your own teams site...probably booted off by your own team.
All you people do is deny the truth. You are a "B" level club at best. No I was never shoved in a locker, Yes I did play the game in high school as well as college. My daughter plays on a team where try outs mean you have to play well or your cut, you don't get on this team because daddys the coach, or because your a friend of daddys little girl. I would love to meet you on the field when our daughters play , but your team is not good enough to compete against my daughters team . See you in Virginia, I'll bring the towel for you to cry into.
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/28/12 02:37 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would love to meet you on the field when our daughters play , but your team is not good enough to compete against my daughters team . See you in Virginia, I'll bring the towel for you to cry into.


So what team is your daughter on? Enlighten us.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/28/12 02:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Um sorry you are so short sighted and still didn't answer the question, why did you tryout if you didn't want to play on the team?? Obviously you must have thought they were good to tryout and guess what ? We have never played 91 or fl$ so get your facts straight .
you are truly an arrogant simpleminded person. If you would have calmed down enough to comprehend the posts I mad you would have read that my daughter had heard that T.G was a decent team so she went to try outs as did many Y.J. 91 and express girls did , you are the new kids on the block so people were interested in seeing what you were about. You seem t think that all these girls were cut, closer to the truth is that Shannon and Steve all ready had the rosters set, including who would be dropped to purple , and who would take there place on black. the try out was a sham. Unfortunately most parents weren't in on the ruse , or I'm sure they , like me , would not have wasted our time . I know many girls on both 2014 teams , and both 2015 teams, some are very good , and some are not. I assume your daughter was one of the greased in players and that why your so offended. As to the poster that wrote post # 14195, if there are teams that have free try outs for the "marginal players" as you put it, I wouldn't know . My daughter went to 2 try outs your sham , and the team shes on. As far as MD playing in a "D" bracket, that tournament was set up differently than the IWLCA in PA. . that was set up for "A" teams to play "A" team , and "B" teams to play "B" teams. thats why in PA. there were multiple champions per age group, and at national draw there was only 1 over all champion. Now take your meds, and learn the difference.


Who cares...your past posts prove you are a clueless, nonsensical loser. Lets not pay attention to annoying fleas like this. Go back to your own teams site...probably booted off by your own team.
All you people do is deny the truth. You are a "B" level club at best. No I was never shoved in a locker, Yes I did play the game in high school as well as college. My daughter plays on a team where try outs mean you have to play well or your cut, you don't get on this team because daddys the coach, or because your a friend of daddys little girl. I would love to meet you on the field when our daughters play , but your team is not good enough to compete against my daughters team . See you in Virginia, I'll bring the towel for you to cry into.


You played with yourself that's about it....Richard.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/28/12 02:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Um sorry you are so short sighted and still didn't answer the question, why did you tryout if you didn't want to play on the team?? Obviously you must have thought they were good to tryout and guess what ? We have never played 91 or fl$ so get your facts straight .
you are truly an arrogant simpleminded person. If you would have calmed down enough to comprehend the posts I mad you would have read that my daughter had heard that T.G was a decent team so she went to try outs as did many Y.J. 91 and express girls did , you are the new kids on the block so people were interested in seeing what you were about. You seem t think that all these girls were cut, closer to the truth is that Shannon and Steve all ready had the rosters set, including who would be dropped to purple , and who would take there place on black. the try out was a sham. Unfortunately most parents weren't in on the ruse , or I'm sure they , like me , would not have wasted our time . I know many girls on both 2014 teams , and both 2015 teams, some are very good , and some are not. I assume your daughter was one of the greased in players and that why your so offended. As to the poster that wrote post # 14195, if there are teams that have free try outs for the "marginal players" as you put it, I wouldn't know . My daughter went to 2 try outs your sham , and the team shes on. As far as MD playing in a "D" bracket, that tournament was set up differently than the IWLCA in PA. . that was set up for "A" teams to play "A" team , and "B" teams to play "B" teams. thats why in PA. there were multiple champions per age group, and at national draw there was only 1 over all champion. Now take your meds, and learn the difference.


Who cares...your past posts prove you are a clueless, nonsensical loser. Lets not pay attention to annoying fleas like this. Go back to your own teams site...probably booted off by your own team.
All you people do is deny the truth. You are a "B" level club at best. No I was never shoved in a locker, Yes I did play the game in high school as well as college. My daughter plays on a team where try outs mean you have to play well or your cut, you don't get on this team because daddys the coach, or because your a friend of daddys little girl. I would love to meet you on the field when our daughters play , but your team is not good enough to compete against my daughters team . See you in Virginia, I'll bring the towel for you to cry into.


Diamondbacks hat
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/28/12 03:03 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Um sorry you are so short sighted and still didn't answer the question, why did you tryout if you didn't want to play on the team?? Obviously you must have thought they were good to tryout and guess what ? We have never played 91 or fl$ so get your facts straight .
you are truly an arrogant simpleminded person. If you would have calmed down enough to comprehend the posts I mad you would have read that my daughter had heard that T.G was a decent team so she went to try outs as did many Y.J. 91 and express girls did , you are the new kids on the block so people were interested in seeing what you were about. You seem t think that all these girls were cut, closer to the truth is that Shannon and Steve all ready had the rosters set, including who would be dropped to purple , and who would take there place on black. the try out was a sham. Unfortunately most parents weren't in on the ruse , or I'm sure they , like me , would not have wasted our time . I know many girls on both 2014 teams , and both 2015 teams, some are very good , and some are not. I assume your daughter was one of the greased in players and that why your so offended. As to the poster that wrote post # 14195, if there are teams that have free try outs for the "marginal players" as you put it, I wouldn't know . My daughter went to 2 try outs your sham , and the team shes on. As far as MD playing in a "D" bracket, that tournament was set up differently than the IWLCA in PA. . that was set up for "A" teams to play "A" team , and "B" teams to play "B" teams. thats why in PA. there were multiple champions per age group, and at national draw there was only 1 over all champion. Now take your meds, and learn the difference.


Who cares...your past posts prove you are a clueless, nonsensical loser. Lets not pay attention to annoying fleas like this. Go back to your own teams site...probably booted off by your own team.
All you people do is deny the truth. You are a "B" level club at best. No I was never shoved in a locker, Yes I did play the game in high school as well as college. My daughter plays on a team where try outs mean you have to play well or your cut, you don't get on this team because daddys the coach, or because your a friend of daddys little girl. I would love to meet you on the field when our daughters play , but your team is not good enough to compete against my daughters team . See you in Virginia, I'll bring the towel for you to cry into.


I don't cry over youth lacrosse so give the towel to your wife to cry on. She has to tolerate you in real life. Hahaha you loser.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/28/12 12:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Um sorry you are so short sighted and still didn't answer the question, why did you tryout if you didn't want to play on the team?? Obviously you must have thought they were good to tryout and guess what ? We have never played 91 or fl$ so get your facts straight .
you are truly an arrogant simpleminded person. If you would have calmed down enough to comprehend the posts I mad you would have read that my daughter had heard that T.G was a decent team so she went to try outs as did many Y.J. 91 and express girls did , you are the new kids on the block so people were interested in seeing what you were about. You seem t think that all these girls were cut, closer to the truth is that Shannon and Steve all ready had the rosters set, including who would be dropped to purple , and who would take there place on black. the try out was a sham. Unfortunately most parents weren't in on the ruse , or I'm sure they , like me , would not have wasted our time . I know many girls on both 2014 teams , and both 2015 teams, some are very good , and some are not. I assume your daughter was one of the greased in players and that why your so offended. As to the poster that wrote post # 14195, if there are teams that have free try outs for the "marginal players" as you put it, I wouldn't know . My daughter went to 2 try outs your sham , and the team shes on. As far as MD playing in a "D" bracket, that tournament was set up differently than the IWLCA in PA. . that was set up for "A" teams to play "A" team , and "B" teams to play "B" teams. thats why in PA. there were multiple champions per age group, and at national draw there was only 1 over all champion. Now take your meds, and learn the difference.


Who cares...your past posts prove you are a clueless, nonsensical loser. Lets not pay attention to annoying fleas like this. Go back to your own teams site...probably booted off by your own team.
All you people do is deny the truth. You are a "B" level club at best. No I was never shoved in a locker, Yes I did play the game in high school as well as college. My daughter plays on a team where try outs mean you have to play well or your cut, you don't get on this team because daddys the coach, or because your a friend of daddys little girl. I would love to meet you on the field when our daughters play , but your team is not good enough to compete against my daughters team . See you in Virginia, I'll bring the towel for you to cry into.


thanks for letting us all know that you were never shoved into a locker, and that you played lacrosse in high school and college. perhaps you can enlighten us as to the relevance of this?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/28/12 03:02 PM
Your information on this subject shows your small thinking and once again no knowledge. My daughter is on the team and guess what they did take more than one new player and no idiot they are not from west Babylon and guess what they have nice quality parents. Unlike you who I'm sure would cause a problem. We don't do that in our group so stay where you are .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/28/12 05:06 PM
Still why is it that your teams pick to play in the less competitive divisions when possible. I will be the first to admit that your club has grown faster then most expected but your teams need to place themselves into the A divisions if you want to keep comparing yourselves to the other top programs.It also seems politics plays a large factor on the make-up of many of your teams which is unfortunate because with the club being so new it really could have set you apart from the other organizations
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 06/28/12 06:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Still why is it that your teams pick to play in the less competitive divisions when possible. I will be the first to admit that your club has grown faster then most expected but your teams need to place themselves into the A divisions if you want to keep comparing yourselves to the other top programs.It also seems politics plays a large factor on the make-up of many of your teams which is unfortunate because with the club being so new it really could have set you apart from the other organizations


I am a YJ parent and who cares were they play! Give them a few years and they will probably be just as big as YJ- people want a variety of clubs to play for. Parents of any team can talk smack- let the kids play on the field and the scores will speak for themselves
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/02/12 07:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And by the way, the winner of the 2015 bracket at the National Draw came from the "D" division. Shows you what the meaning of the order of divisions were-NOTHING


He is talking about the tournament in new jersey, where top guns specifically entered into the B division. You really need to get a clue on how the brackets work, you will NEVER see the 4-6 best teams at any tournament in the same bracket, they are mixed throughout the various brackets in the hopes that the best teams will eventually meet in the playoffs, otherwise those 15-1 games that you moan about will be in the playoffs instead of in bracket play. if you still don't understand the concept perhaps you should speak with your coach or one of the directors of your club annd maybe they can educate you a little - stop embarrassing yourself with this non-sense
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/04/12 03:36 PM
My daughter is a 2017 player, considering trying out for Top Guns in August. Can some of you existing TG parents offer your feedback on the program? I've heard some parents are unhappy about 5 away tournaments, and having to wait for coaches to finish up at Northwestern. Haven't really heard any other negatives. I hear the coaches are great, when they're actually there. Any other pros/cons?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/04/12 06:16 PM
Wow, if that isnt backhanded what is.

I have not forrayed the girls travel landscape as I have a few years, but really, if you wanted to get a realistic comment from a parent on the team, I am not sure if that is the best Post to do so.

Talk about blending the pot. I think these girls travels are far worse than the boys!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/04/12 06:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow, if that isnt backhanded what is.

I have not forrayed the girls travel landscape as I have a few years, but really, if you wanted to get a realistic comment from a parent on the team, I am not sure if that is the best Post to do so.

Talk about blending the pot. I think these girls travels are far worse than the boys!!!


What are you talking about? I'm just looking for an opinion, based on their experience with the program...not sure what you're saying...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/04/12 06:59 PM
Those really are the complaints that I've heard...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/04/12 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow, if that isnt backhanded what is.

I have not forrayed the girls travel landscape as I have a few years, but really, if you wanted to get a realistic comment from a parent on the team, I am not sure if that is the best Post to do so.

Talk about blending the pot. I think these girls travels are far worse than the boys!!!
That made no sense at all, so I will try to answer for you. The problem with the North Western girls basically ended this year because Shannon graduated this year, and from what I understand , shes going to go to Hofstra to finish her degree, so she will be around all the time. I am a parent from a rival club, so all I know is what I have heard and experienced from going to there try outs, and is solely my opinion. My daughter is a top tier player playing on a top clubs "A" team and on a varsity high school team so I have been doing this for a long time and will try to be honest. T.G. is an up and coming club that stands to get much better in a hurry now with Shannon being home full time. They are less aggressive than Y.J, but more so than Liberty. Being a girls only club your daughter will be the most important thing unlike 91 or Express. They are kind of cliquy and seem to hold on to players that have close ties to cretin people involved with the club even though better players show up to try outs. They have made changes this year dropping some girls to lower teams, and taking on new girls (Powderfinger calm down I said I would try to be fair and your daughter deserves to be one of those girls,) but it is rare that a girl with no ties gets accepted, no matter how good she is, at least in the higher grades. Your daughter being young will fare well if she gets in now.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/04/12 10:28 PM
What?? Looks like they just want some feedback from TG parents, in addition to what they've already heard...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/04/12 10:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow, if that isnt backhanded what is.

I have not forrayed the girls travel landscape as I have a few years, but really, if you wanted to get a realistic comment from a parent on the team, I am not sure if that is the best Post to do so.

Talk about blending the pot. I think these girls travels are far worse than the boys!!!
That made no sense at all, so I will try to answer for you. The problem with the North Western girls basically ended this year because Shannon graduated this year, and from what I understand , shes going to go to Hofstra to finish her degree, so she will be around all the time. I am a parent from a rival club, so all I know is what I have heard and experienced from going to there try outs, and is solely my opinion. My daughter is a top tier player playing on a top clubs "A" team and on a varsity high school team so I have been doing this for a long time and will try to be honest. T.G. is an up and coming club that stands to get much better in a hurry now with Shannon being home full time. They are less aggressive than Y.J, but more so than Liberty. Being a girls only club your daughter will be the most important thing unlike 91 or Express. They are kind of cliquy and seem to hold on to players that have close ties to cretin people involved with the club even though better players show up to try outs. They have made changes this year dropping some girls to lower teams, and taking on new girls (Powderfinger calm down I said I would try to be fair and your daughter deserves to be one of those girls,) but it is rare that a girl with no ties gets accepted, no matter how good she is, at least in the higher grades. Your daughter being young will fare well if she gets in now.


Thanks for your opinion, which seems very honest, and well thought out, from someone who's been involved in travel for a while. I'm hoping to also hear from some TG parents themselves, but your answer was also very helpful. At the very least, I think we'll tryout for the TG 2017. Good luck with your daughter going forward.
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/05/12 01:48 AM
I, and my daughter, are very happy at TG. As is documented elsewhere on this site, we were with /another club/ for a few years and it wasn't a good match. My personal opinion and experience is to steer yourselves toward clubs that coach girls primarily, not girls as a sideline to boys. IME, the girls are the [lacrosse] stepchildren in those clubs.

What I like about TG: that we do play a lot of tournaments. If you want to be seen you have to be out there. I don't think the tournament schedule is excessive, it's what I expect. YMMV depending on your goals, finances, family situation.

We are very happy with coaching. My kid is getting some great coaching this year, way more so than in HS and in prior club experience. Very happy with quality of other players. Very happy with club culture and other parents.

The thing is every age group is diffierent within clubs, so what's great in one year might not be the same as another year. It's really tough to shop around because there are tryout fees and the timing of tryouts/commitments expected. I asked around and I got lucky finding a match. So that's my advice, talk to people in your daughter's age group. Wander around at tournaments, everyone at tournaments is happy to answer questions so just go and schmooze and see what you find out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/05/12 02:38 AM
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
I, and my daughter, are very happy at TG. As is documented elsewhere on this site, we were with /another club/ for a few years and it wasn't a good match. My personal opinion and experience is to steer yourselves toward clubs that coach girls primarily, not girls as a sideline to boys. IME, the girls are the [lacrosse] stepchildren in those clubs.

What I like about TG: that we do play a lot of tournaments. If you want to be seen you have to be out there. I don't think the tournament schedule is excessive, it's what I expect. YMMV depending on your goals, finances, family situation.

We are very happy with coaching. My kid is getting some great coaching this year, way more so than in HS and in prior club experience. Very happy with quality of other players. Very happy with club culture and other parents.

The thing is every age group is diffierent within clubs, so what's great in one year might not be the same as another year. It's really tough to shop around because there are tryout fees and the timing of tryouts/commitments expected. I asked around and I got lucky finding a match. So that's my advice, talk to people in your daughter's age group. Wander around at tournaments, everyone at tournaments is happy to answer questions so just go and schmooze and see what you find out.


Are you from RP? Just wondering.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/05/12 02:39 AM
Great, informative post! Hopefully, someone from TG 2017 will also chime in. Thank you very much Powder!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/05/12 10:35 AM
My daughter tried out for 3 travel programs on the island. She made the top teams on all three, with a lot of research we chose the top guns. It was the best decision we could have made. Her coaches are great, Shannon is awesome with all the girls, the organization in general is good. Like i said this is are first year with the top guns, and so far it has been a great summer for mr daughter.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/05/12 11:36 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My daughter tried out for 3 travel programs on the island. She made the top teams on all three, with a lot of research we chose the top guns. It was the best decision we could have made. Her coaches are great, Shannon is awesome with all the girls, the organization in general is good. Like i said this is are first year with the top guns, and so far it has been a great summer for mr daughter.


Thanks for the great feedback! What year is your daughter graduating?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/05/12 07:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow, if that isnt backhanded what is.

I have not forrayed the girls travel landscape as I have a few years, but really, if you wanted to get a realistic comment from a parent on the team, I am not sure if that is the best Post to do so.

Talk about blending the pot. I think these girls travels are far worse than the boys!!!
That made no sense at all, so I will try to answer for you. The problem with the North Western girls basically ended this year because Shannon graduated this year, and from what I understand , shes going to go to Hofstra to finish her degree, so she will be around all the time. I am a parent from a rival club, so all I know is what I have heard and experienced from going to there try outs, and is solely my opinion. My daughter is a top tier player playing on a top clubs "A" team and on a varsity high school team so I have been doing this for a long time and will try to be honest. T.G. is an up and coming club that stands to get much better in a hurry now with Shannon being home full time. They are less aggressive than Y.J, but more so than Liberty. Being a girls only club your daughter will be the most important thing unlike 91 or Express. They are kind of cliquy and seem to hold on to players that have close ties to cretin people involved with the club even though better players show up to try outs. They have made changes this year dropping some girls to lower teams, and taking on new girls (Powderfinger calm down I said I would try to be fair and your daughter deserves to be one of those girls,) but it is rare that a girl with no ties gets accepted, no matter how good she is, at least in the higher grades. Your daughter being young will fare well if she gets in now.


Playing Varsity does not mean your daughter is a good player. It is relevant. Where do you live?

Cliquey is putting it mildly. At tryouts girls are instructed to only pass to each other and some stood on the sidline and never went into the game.

They did drop some to lower teams, to the surprise to many parents who were told otherwise.


All of these organizations have politics, TG included, it's no better and no worse, it is about who you know!

It is true that getting in younger will help, but this is true for all clubs.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/06/12 12:11 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow, if that isnt backhanded what is.

I have not forrayed the girls travel landscape as I have a few years, but really, if you wanted to get a realistic comment from a parent on the team, I am not sure if that is the best Post to do so.

Talk about blending the pot. I think these girls travels are far worse than the boys!!!
That made no sense at all, so I will try to answer for you. The problem with the North Western girls basically ended this year because Shannon graduated this year, and from what I understand , shes going to go to Hofstra to finish her degree, so she will be around all the time. I am a parent from a rival club, so all I know is what I have heard and experienced from going to there try outs, and is solely my opinion. My daughter is a top tier player playing on a top clubs "A" team and on a varsity high school team so I have been doing this for a long time and will try to be honest. T.G. is an up and coming club that stands to get much better in a hurry now with Shannon being home full time. They are less aggressive than Y.J, but more so than Liberty. Being a girls only club your daughter will be the most important thing unlike 91 or Express. They are kind of cliquy and seem to hold on to players that have close ties to cretin people involved with the club even though better players show up to try outs. They have made changes this year dropping some girls to lower teams, and taking on new girls (Powderfinger calm down I said I would try to be fair and your daughter deserves to be one of those girls,) but it is rare that a girl with no ties gets accepted, no matter how good she is, at least in the higher grades. Your daughter being young will fare well if she gets in now.


Thanks for your opinion, which seems very honest, and well thought out, from someone who's been involved in travel for a while. I'm hoping to also hear from some TG parents themselves, but your answer was also very helpful. At the very least, I think we'll tryout for the TG 2017. Good luck with your daughter going forward.
I am glad to help. I wish your daughter well. It's A good group over at TG
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/06/12 03:56 PM
I agree, Top Guns is the eay to go. The pros are they only take 2 teams per age group which allows the coaches and players to become more intimate. They hold tryouts every year and unlike other clubs will gently eliminate those who have not improved in order to raise the level of play. That's what premier lax is supposed to be, dedication, committment and hard work.

The coaches are wonderful, and while it is true some don't get to all the prctices and games due to college/education issues you will no doubt see a qualified coach on the sideline at every game/practice. I also think it's wonderful that Bill Smith takes the time to get to know the players and families. He has personally helped my daughter gain confidence and raised a terrific young lady in Shannon.

The only con is that the uniforms could use some upgrading, my daughter has been through quite a few pinnies and shorts over the past few years and there is better quality out there.

Good luck to all!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/06/12 07:08 PM
The real way to go is YJ no children coaching children
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/06/12 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The real way to go is YJ no children coaching children
Your defintion of children is way off-base.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/06/12 08:45 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The real way to go is YJ no children coaching children
Your defintion of children is way off-base.


Cage sage I think it's a play on words- of you were at national draw and you saw the behavior you may agree
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/07/12 01:23 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The real way to go is YJ no children coaching children
Much better having daddies coaching that fair for everyone


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/07/12 02:41 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The real way to go is YJ no children coaching children
Yes, it's much better having the majority of your teams coached by player parents! Please!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/07/12 10:27 AM
HMMM...Are you those RP parents who suck up to all the coaches ? Then when you have no use for them , close the door move on ? Whos the flavor of this year going to be???
Careful who you [lacrosse] off..your kids need to finish school with friends..
Sad part is everyone clear as day see this..
Your the only one who would write this stuff..
You know who you are !

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
I, and my daughter, are very happy at TG. As is documented elsewhere on this site, we were with /another club/ for a few years and it wasn't a good match. My personal opinion and experience is to steer yourselves toward clubs that coach girls primarily, not girls as a sideline to boys. IME, the girls are the [lacrosse] stepchildren in those clubs.

What I like about TG: that we do play a lot of tournaments. If you want to be seen you have to be out there. I don't think the tournament schedule is excessive, it's what I expect. YMMV depending on your goals, finances, family situation.

We are very happy with coaching. My kid is getting some great coaching this year, way more so than in HS and in prior club experience. Very happy with quality of other players. Very happy with club culture and other parents.

The thing is every age group is diffierent within clubs, so what's great in one year might not be the same as another year. It's really tough to shop around because there are tryout fees and the timing of tryouts/commitments expected. I asked around and I got lucky finding a match. So that's my advice, talk to people in your daughter's age group. Wander around at tournaments, everyone at tournaments is happy to answer questions so just go and schmooze and see what you find out.


Are you from RP? Just wondering.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/07/12 12:59 PM
My experience with TG has been pretty good. The coaching has been great and we get along with the other parents. My daughter is having a great time and playing some pretty good lacrosse. Some parents can be a little overboard. But then again this happens on every team...not just YJ. But alot more seem under control than others. The only down side I see is on the purple teams. We have friends with daughters on a purple team and they are not nearly as satisfied. The coaching has been suspect (when its there) and they seemed to take any girls as long as they could field a team. This may not be the same in other age groups...just theirs'. But then again, alot of programs put most of their effort into their top team. Overall, we like the program and hope to be back next year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/07/12 02:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My experience with TG has been pretty good. The coaching has been great and we get along with the other parents. My daughter is having a great time and playing some pretty good lacrosse. Some parents can be a little overboard. But then again this happens on every team...not just YJ. But alot more seem under control than others. The only down side I see is on the purple teams. We have friends with daughters on a purple team and they are not nearly as satisfied. The coaching has been suspect (when its there) and they seemed to take any girls as long as they could field a team. This may not be the same in other age groups...just theirs'. But then again, alot of programs put most of their effort into their top team. Overall, we like the program and hope to be back next year.


Thanks for your feedback! Which age group is your daughter in?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/08/12 06:01 PM
My daughter plays TG and is on the younger side ,the parents are pretty funny in that they all seem to think their child is a future D1 player and have heard them say they could be the best team in the country for their age. I have seen the attitude many times usually from parents with their oldest child but not on such a team wide attitude.They are actually hoping to play the TG team a year older believing they would dismantle them,Other then those attitudes ,coaching is good, kids are nice, too many non competitive tourneys,
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/09/12 12:47 AM
The creator of Top Guns was a yellow jacket, JUST SAYING.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/09/12 11:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The creator of Top Guns was a yellow jacket, JUST SAYING.


I think that's a good thing for Top Guns. Bring some of the knowledge and strong points from YJ to TG.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/09/12 12:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The creator of Top Guns was a yellow jacket, JUST SAYING.


That's called evolution. Some day an incredibly accomplished TG player will start her own club program to compete with all the others. Just hope Shannon and all the TG parents would handle it better than CR and the Bee people.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/09/12 12:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The creator of Top Guns was a yellow jacket, JUST SAYING.


I think that's a good thing for Top Guns. Bring some of the knowledge and strong points from YJ to TG.


You mean eliminating the bad points and dishonesty of the Yellow Jackets and bringing them to the Top Guns.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/09/12 12:56 PM
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
I, and my daughter, are very happy at TG. As is documented elsewhere on this site, we were with /another club/ for a few years and it wasn't a good match. My personal opinion and experience is to steer yourselves toward clubs that coach girls primarily, not girls as a sideline to boys. IME, the girls are the [lacrosse] stepchildren in those clubs.

What I like about TG: that we do play a lot of tournaments. If you want to be seen you have to be out there. I don't think the tournament schedule is excessive, it's what I expect. YMMV depending on your goals, finances, family situation.

We are very happy with coaching. My kid is getting some great coaching this year, way more so than in HS and in prior club experience. Very happy with quality of other players. Very happy with club culture and other parents.

The thing is every age group is diffierent within clubs, so what's great in one year might not be the same as another year. It's really tough to shop around because there are tryout fees and the timing of tryouts/commitments expected. I asked around and I got lucky finding a match. So that's my advice, talk to people in your daughter's age group. Wander around at tournaments, everyone at tournaments is happy to answer questions so just go and schmooze and see what you find out.


Have you or others participated in TG Camps??? was wondering about quality? Good for older kids (HS) or more geared for youth????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/09/12 02:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The creator of Top Guns was a yellow jacket, JUST SAYING.
And she refuses to coach for them JUST SAYING
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/09/12 03:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The creator of Top Guns was a yellow jacket, JUST SAYING.
And she refuses to coach for them JUST SAYING


What are you saying? She DID coach for them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/09/12 04:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The creator of Top Guns was a yellow jacket, JUST SAYING.
And she refuses to coach for them JUST SAYING

She did coach for them then decided she could make a lot of money doing it.Just Saying
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/09/12 04:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The creator of Top Guns was a yellow jacket, JUST SAYING.


I think that's a good thing for Top Guns. Bring some of the knowledge and strong points from YJ to TG.


You mean eliminating the bad points and dishonesty of the Yellow Jackets and bringing them to the Top Guns.

Agree 100 percent by leaving the YJ she eliminated many of the bad points and dishonesty within the YJ organization and brought them to TG.The good news now you have many of the bad points such as too many kids on a team, politics with team selection, being more interested in making money then good lacrosse players, coaches setting bad examples for their players without the good points like producing an incredible amount of successful collegiate players, an incredible lacrosse history of success, multiple national championships, college contacts too numerous to count,etc.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/09/12 04:37 PM
Don't think they need her anyway just sayin!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/09/12 05:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The creator of Top Guns was a yellow jacket, JUST SAYING.


I think that's a good thing for Top Guns. Bring some of the knowledge and strong points from YJ to TG.


You mean eliminating the bad points and dishonesty of the Yellow Jackets and bringing them to the Top Guns.

Agree 100 percent by leaving the YJ she eliminated many of the bad points and dishonesty within the YJ organization and brought them to TG.The good news now you have many of the bad points such as too many kids on a team, politics with team selection, being more interested in making money then good lacrosse players, coaches setting bad examples for their players without the good points like producing an incredible amount of successful collegiate players, an incredible lacrosse history of success, multiple national championships, college contacts too numerous to count,etc.
And numerous broken bones, bruises from stick butts , and thousands of cheap shots. No wonder she left, why tarnish her good name by associating herself with a club that is one step above a street gang. She can build any rep she wants, and hundreds of coaches will listen to the best woman's player in the last 10 years
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/09/12 07:28 PM
Oh so where is your 2013 commit list with all your wonderful contacts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/09/12 08:33 PM
why would so many coaches listen to the so called best women's player in the past 10 years who has no coaching or talent evaluation experience. Not trying to start trouble actually just curious, I am sure after she produces a few successful D1 players they may start to listen, but as of now her coaching ability and talent evaluation abilities are still in question.Seems funny that one of her teammates and trusted coaches has a younger sister still playing in the YJ organization if they believed what you are saying but then again you seem to be a bit dramatic.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/09/12 11:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
why would so many coaches listen to the so called best women's player in the past 10 years who has no coaching or talent evaluation experience. Not trying to start trouble actually just curious, I am sure after she produces a few successful D1 players they may start to listen, but as of now her coaching ability and talent evaluation abilities are still in question.Seems funny that one of her teammates and trusted coaches has a younger sister still playing in the YJ organization if they believed what you are saying but then again you seem to be a bit dramatic.


Relax - Name recognition got her a following and she went for the ever flowing cash! when the next great one comes along they will do exactly the same thing. Parents cant pay their mortgage but they can pay for big time lacrosse! Let me know how that big D3 scholarship works out...not
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/10/12 12:09 AM
Relax - Name recognition got her a following and she went for the ever flowing cash! when the next great one comes along they will do exactly the same thing. Parents cant pay their mortgage but they can pay for big time lacrosse! Let me know how that big D3 scholarship works out...not
Let me know how your kids future burger flipping occupation works out for her.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/10/12 11:07 AM

WOW ...and i bet your 9 year old daughter signed for northwestern already... you people gotta get a grip.. get off the ban wagon and have the girls play lacrosse and train to be their best without parents being such ignorent a-holes.. No matter what program they belong to..no less at a young age let them be! years ago colleges didnt rely on "Travel Teams" it was school ball.. And i will put money on it you as a parent never even knew what LACROSSE was until your daughter came home from school and asked for a stick...remember that !!!.. unfortunate that every program out there now takes advantage of utilizing the "Stick with me i will put gold teeth in that mouth"... and you dumb asses buy into it..they profit.. and by pot luck your daughter gets a look...but not at 8 or 9 years old.. no less 12 or 13 years old... keep bickering about who's the best and evolving your life decisions around lacrosse to the point your paycheck goes straight to little annies LAX fund. and you will find in the end you and thousands of other families filled the pockets of some very smart buissiness go getters.. and your hopes and dreams made that possible , with them holding a BAG full of cash !!!

Take a step back and re-evaluate your life if you get to the point that you truly believe your Daughter is set for life ! once you sign onto a travel program that a d1 player started , or a bicycle peddling highly connected woman who has been around since girls lax started !




Originally Posted by Anonymous
Relax - Name recognition got her a following and she went for the ever flowing cash! when the next great one comes along they will do exactly the same thing. Parents cant pay their mortgage but they can pay for big time lacrosse! Let me know how that big D3 scholarship works out...not
Let me know how your kids future burger flipping occupation works out for her.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/10/12 12:20 PM
Originally Posted by YOUR A FOOL

WOW ...and i bet your 9 year old daughter signed for northwestern already... you people gotta get a grip.. get off the ban wagon and have the girls play lacrosse and train to be their best without parents being such ignorent a-holes.. No matter what program they belong to..no less at a young age let them be! years ago colleges didnt rely on "Travel Teams" it was school ball.. And i will put money on it you as a parent never even knew what LACROSSE was until your daughter came home from school and asked for a stick...remember that !!!.. unfortunate that every program out there now takes advantage of utilizing the "Stick with me i will put gold teeth in that mouth"... and you dumb asses buy into it..they profit.. and by pot luck your daughter gets a look...but not at 8 or 9 years old.. no less 12 or 13 years old... keep bickering about who's the best and evolving your life decisions around lacrosse to the point your paycheck goes straight to little annies LAX fund. and you will find in the end you and thousands of other families filled the pockets of some very smart buissiness go getters.. and your hopes and dreams made that possible , with them holding a BAG full of cash !!!

Take a step back and re-evaluate your life if you get to the point that you truly believe your Daughter is set for life ! once you sign onto a travel program that a d1 player started , or a bicycle peddling highly connected woman who has been around since girls lax started !




Originally Posted by Anonymous
Relax - Name recognition got her a following and she went for the ever flowing cash! when the next great one comes along they will do exactly the same thing. Parents cant pay their mortgage but they can pay for big time lacrosse! Let me know how that big D3 scholarship works out...not
Let me know how your kids future burger flipping occupation works out for her.


My daughter LIKES the game, I pay all this money because i LOVE the game. My only concern is will I be embarrassed when she doesnt get the big scholarship because she is a miiddle of the pack player who's mom and dad can afford to write the checks needed to keep her involved. Because truth be told, its more about parents then kids
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/10/12 01:22 PM
THIS IS SO TRUE !
GREAT RESPONSE , AND REALITY CHECK....


Originally Posted by YOUR A FOOL

WOW ...and i bet your 9 year old daughter signed for northwestern already... you people gotta get a grip.. get off the ban wagon and have the girls play lacrosse and train to be their best without parents being such ignorent a-holes.. No matter what program they belong to..no less at a young age let them be! years ago colleges didnt rely on "Travel Teams" it was school ball.. And i will put money on it you as a parent never even knew what LACROSSE was until your daughter came home from school and asked for a stick...remember that !!!.. unfortunate that every program out there now takes advantage of utilizing the "Stick with me i will put gold teeth in that mouth"... and you dumb asses buy into it..they profit.. and by pot luck your daughter gets a look...but not at 8 or 9 years old.. no less 12 or 13 years old... keep bickering about who's the best and evolving your life decisions around lacrosse to the point your paycheck goes straight to little annies LAX fund. and you will find in the end you and thousands of other families filled the pockets of some very smart buissiness go getters.. and your hopes and dreams made that possible , with them holding a BAG full of cash !!!

Take a step back and re-evaluate your life if you get to the point that you truly believe your Daughter is set for life ! once you sign onto a travel program that a d1 player started , or a bicycle peddling highly connected woman who has been around since girls lax started !




Originally Posted by Anonymous
Relax - Name recognition got her a following and she went for the ever flowing cash! when the next great one comes along they will do exactly the same thing. Parents cant pay their mortgage but they can pay for big time lacrosse! Let me know how that big D3 scholarship works out...not
Let me know how your kids future burger flipping occupation works out for her.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/10/12 03:12 PM
May i add that i know people who specifically move to other school districts because there program is better then there current..To me that is ridiculous to base your life off of girls lacrosse , to pick up and move, lose money on your home , and hope they Gel in the new enviorment.. The girls LAX virus just seems to take over the mind...
With the money lost in this they could have paid the tuition.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
THIS IS SO TRUE !
GREAT RESPONSE , AND REALITY CHECK....


Originally Posted by YOUR A FOOL

WOW ...and i bet your 9 year old daughter signed for northwestern already... you people gotta get a grip.. get off the ban wagon and have the girls play lacrosse and train to be their best without parents being such ignorent a-holes.. No matter what program they belong to..no less at a young age let them be! years ago colleges didnt rely on "Travel Teams" it was school ball.. And i will put money on it you as a parent never even knew what LACROSSE was until your daughter came home from school and asked for a stick...remember that !!!.. unfortunate that every program out there now takes advantage of utilizing the "Stick with me i will put gold teeth in that mouth"... and you dumb asses buy into it..they profit.. and by pot luck your daughter gets a look...but not at 8 or 9 years old.. no less 12 or 13 years old... keep bickering about who's the best and evolving your life decisions around lacrosse to the point your paycheck goes straight to little annies LAX fund. and you will find in the end you and thousands of other families filled the pockets of some very smart buissiness go getters.. and your hopes and dreams made that possible , with them holding a BAG full of cash !!!

Take a step back and re-evaluate your life if you get to the point that you truly believe your Daughter is set for life ! once you sign onto a travel program that a d1 player started , or a bicycle peddling highly connected woman who has been around since girls lax started !




Originally Posted by Anonymous
Relax - Name recognition got her a following and she went for the ever flowing cash! when the next great one comes along they will do exactly the same thing. Parents cant pay their mortgage but they can pay for big time lacrosse! Let me know how that big D3 scholarship works out...not
Let me know how your kids future burger flipping occupation works out for her.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/11/12 10:25 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
why would so many coaches listen to the so called best women's player in the past 10 years who has no coaching or talent evaluation experience. Not trying to start trouble actually just curious, I am sure after she produces a few successful D1 players they may start to listen, but as of now her coaching ability and talent evaluation abilities are still in question.Seems funny that one of her teammates and trusted coaches has a younger sister still playing in the YJ organization if they believed what you are saying but then again you seem to be a bit dramatic.


Hannah Nielsen was the best player over the last ten years hands down.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/11/12 01:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
why would so many coaches listen to the so called best women's player in the past 10 years who has no coaching or talent evaluation experience. Not trying to start trouble actually just curious, I am sure after she produces a few successful D1 players they may start to listen, but as of now her coaching ability and talent evaluation abilities are still in question.Seems funny that one of her teammates and trusted coaches has a younger sister still playing in the YJ organization if they believed what you are saying but then again you seem to be a bit dramatic.


Hannah Nielsen was the best player over the last ten years hands down.
CANT BE, she didnt come from Long Island or TG or YJ's. The best players in the world come from LI because we pay the most money so it has to be true.

Hannah came from Australia
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/11/12 04:48 PM
Please do not include any other group other than TG who believe SS was best player in past 10 years,
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/11/12 06:46 PM
She was not even deemed best player this year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/16/12 04:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
She was not even deemed best player this year?


I guess you did'nt see her put her team on her back and carry them to the Championship... The "best" player went home on friday after NW beat them
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/16/12 05:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
She was not even deemed best player this year?


I guess you did'nt see her put her team on her back and carry them to the Championship... The "best" player went home on friday after NW beat them

Yes she put the team on her back and carried the rest of a weak team to the championship, she was incredible in goal, and on defense,while playing middie she not only controlled every draw but was the only effective person clearing the ball.Give it a rest and settle for one of the best players in the last ten years and do not sell her teammates and her coach short.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/17/12 01:47 AM
All you people have nothing better to do than trash talking and analyzing things to death. Just do what's best for your kid and call it day. Keep your negative opinions to yourself. SS didn't claim to be the best player in the past 10 years. However, give her some credit...Tewaaraton Award, Honda Sports Award, Suzy Favor Big Ten Female Athlete of the Year, WomensLax.com Player of the Year, IWLCA Attacker of the Year, MVP of National Championship and ALC Championship, and she was also a finalist for the Sportswoman of the Year. Also, do your math. The Smiths are not getting rich off TG. Their business allows those involved to do what they love. Lastly, don't come down on people because they can afford to give their kids every opportunity to pursue something that they enjoy. Learning to master something (anything!) whether it earns one a scholarship or not will carryover to other aspects of one's life.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/17/12 04:20 PM
Congratulations to the 2019 black team for your play at the club nationals. You guys played great only to have the refs steal the championship from you.We put it on the line each weekend playing against not only the best competition in the 2019 age group but also the 2018 age group. Keep up the hard work , we know that on a level laying field there are no other 2019 teams that compare anywhere in the country.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/17/12 04:53 PM
hear ye, hear ye..... I now proclaim the 2019 Topguns best lacrosse team ever!!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/17/12 05:00 PM
Congratulations to 2019 team. However, please don't lessen the tournament with your snide remarks about reffing. I was always taught if you were that great, you would never be in a close game to begin with no matter what the calls are. Just sit back and enjoy the game, the girls are very talented, but have a long, long way to go. Lose the bitterness it is not attractive
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/17/12 05:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congratulations to the 2019 black team for your play at the club nationals. You guys played great only to have the refs steal the championship from you.We put it on the line each weekend playing against not only the best competition in the 2019 age group but also the 2018 age group. Keep up the hard work , we know that on a level laying field there are no other 2019 teams that compare anywhere in the country.


Whether they are the best 2019 team or not, please don't blame the refs for a loss.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/17/12 06:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congratulations to the 2019 black team for your play at the club nationals. You guys played great only to have the refs steal the championship from you.We put it on the line each weekend playing against not only the best competition in the 2019 age group but also the 2018 age group. Keep up the hard work , we know that on a level laying field there are no other 2019 teams that compare anywhere in the country.

This my frieinds is exactly what is wrong with youth Lacrosse! It is funny that someone thinks anyone cares!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/17/12 07:12 PM
I hear that top guns players won the five finger discount award at that tournament, nice job way to represent long island and your club.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/17/12 08:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
hear ye, hear ye..... I now proclaim the 2019 Topguns best lacrosse team ever!!!!!!



Keep dreaming!!!! You have not played 2019 YJ yet
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/17/12 09:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
hear ye, hear ye..... I now proclaim the 2019 Topguns best lacrosse team ever!!!!!!



Keep dreaming!!!! You have not played 2019 YJ yet


Nice try ,but there is no way a YJ 2019 parent would write this, must have been a TG parent who realizes the other TG parents boasting at this age group is ridiculous .Must say have watched this 2019 group play and have played against them, very good team, top 2 players carry the team, have 1 kid who scored all but 1 of their goals against us and when their top two are off the field not nearly as good.The parents are a very confident and proud group which I guess is a good thing if in moderation.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/17/12 10:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
hear ye, hear ye..... I now proclaim the 2019 Topguns best lacrosse team ever!!!!!!



Keep dreaming!!!! You have not played 2019 YJ yet
I have noticed that Yellow Jackets are the fastest to tell other club members to stay on there own thread , but are probably the fastest to post in this thread. So lets take a page from your own rule book, Go back to your own thread and don't worry about what is said on this thread.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/18/12 01:30 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
hear ye, hear ye..... I now proclaim the 2019 Topguns best lacrosse team ever!!!!!!



Keep dreaming!!!! You have not played 2019 YJ yet
That's becausr CR is doing everything in her power to avoid TG teams, look at the All-Star Express brackets - six YJ teams in 2019 bracket, but they woiuld rather play 3 games against other YJ teams then play TG - nothing more to say.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/18/12 02:30 AM
i am a proud tg parent but i will remain anonymous because of possib ramifications.my question is will the 2019 team stay intact for next year or will the girls who are 2020 go to the 2020 team? i think they should go to the 2020 team because that would be their correct age. i have a feeling this will not be the case. i am new to travel lacrosse so maybe this is common practice for the other tg teams.can other 2020 girls try out for the 2019 team? if not why not? i do know that one of the girls on the team that scores a lot is 2020 so i assume that she will stay. do other clubs pull up good players toolder teams? or is more she who goes up to an older team has certain inside connections?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/18/12 03:16 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
hear ye, hear ye..... I now proclaim the 2019 Topguns best lacrosse team ever!!!!!!



Keep dreaming!!!! You have not played 2019 YJ yet
That's becausr CR is doing everything in her power to avoid TG teams, look at the All-Star Express brackets - six YJ teams in 2019 bracket, but they woiuld rather play 3 games against other YJ teams then play TG - nothing more to say.

How do you know it isn't the other way around? TG's overall record against YJ is not very good right now.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/18/12 03:40 AM
Nothing more to say except why would YJ want to play TG until they actually win a competitive tournament, prove themselves to produce quality D1 players,do something other then compare themselves to YJ. Ever heard the saying nothing to gain everything to lose ,the Yankees do not play amateurs .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/18/12 10:53 AM
I see that TG has posted tryouts for next year. Can someone sum up the records for the 2015 teams. Generally speaking how did they do at the touns this summer. Also wondering if they will play fall tournaments and with which team the current one or the new one. Thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/18/12 11:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
i am a proud tg parent but i will remain anonymous because of possib ramifications.my question is will the 2019 team stay intact for next year or will the girls who are 2020 go to the 2020 team? i think they should go to the 2020 team because that would be their correct age. i have a feeling this will not be the case. i am new to travel lacrosse so maybe this is common practice for the other tg teams.can other 2020 girls try out for the 2019 team? if not why not? i do know that one of the girls on the team that scores a lot is 2020 so i assume that she will stay. do other clubs pull up good players toolder teams? or is more she who goes up to an older team has certain inside connections?


I have a child who wants to try out for the 2019 team so any info would be appreciated from current members. Who is the coach? Will the team be mixed age or just 2019?Has there been Equal playing time?Does there seem to be a lot of politics with this team?How many kids do they take per team?Is there a lot of nonsense with picking of the teams such as private lessons with so and so gets you on a team? Do they treat the B teams as well as the A?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/18/12 02:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I see that TG has posted tryouts for next year. Can someone sum up the records for the 2015 teams. Generally speaking how did they do at the touns this summer. Also wondering if they will play fall tournaments and with which team the current one or the new one. Thanks


15 Black has not won any tournaments. Purple started out slow did better. See how 15 Black does in Florida.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/18/12 04:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
i am a proud tg parent but i will remain anonymous because of possib ramifications.my question is will the 2019 team stay intact for next year or will the girls who are 2020 go to the 2020 team? i think they should go to the 2020 team because that would be their correct age. i have a feeling this will not be the case. i am new to travel lacrosse so maybe this is common practice for the other tg teams.can other 2020 girls try out for the 2019 team? if not why not? i do know that one of the girls on the team that scores a lot is 2020 so i assume that she will stay. do other clubs pull up good players toolder teams? or is more she who goes up to an older team has certain inside connections?


I have a child who wants to try out for the 2019 team so any info would be appreciated from current members. Who is the coach? Will the team be mixed age or just 2019?Has there been Equal playing time?Does there seem to be a lot of politics with this team?How many kids do they take per team?Is there a lot of nonsense with picking of the teams such as private lessons with so and so gets you on a team? Do they treat the B teams as well as the A?


If you look back a bit you'll see that the answer varies. I can tell you that there were alot of upset parents when it came to the 2019 purple team. Many felt short changed this year. The black team got alot more attention. But then again, isn't that expected. Most clubs are going to give more attention to their top teams. As for politics...tell me a club where politics isn't an issue. This team has some 2020 girls. Some of which are good enough and some who clearly are not. But obviously they knew someone...or had a sister on another team. So the question you have to ask is...Is my daughter good enough to make the black team? And if she is, will it matter?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/18/12 06:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
i am a proud tg parent but i will remain anonymous because of possib ramifications.my question is will the 2019 team stay intact for next year or will the girls who are 2020 go to the 2020 team? i think they should go to the 2020 team because that would be their correct age. i have a feeling this will not be the case. i am new to travel lacrosse so maybe this is common practice for the other tg teams.can other 2020 girls try out for the 2019 team? if not why not? i do know that one of the girls on the team that scores a lot is 2020 so i assume that she will stay. do other clubs pull up good players toolder teams? or is more she who goes up to an older team has certain inside connections?


I have a child who wants to try out for the 2019 team so any info would be appreciated from current members. Who is the coach? Will the team be mixed age or just 2019?Has there been Equal playing time?Does there seem to be a lot of politics with this team?How many kids do they take per team?Is there a lot of nonsense with picking of the teams such as private lessons with so and so gets you on a team? Do they treat the B teams as well as the A?


If you look back a bit you'll see that the answer varies. I can tell you that there were alot of upset parents when it came to the 2019 purple team. Many felt short changed this year. The black team got alot more attention. But then again, isn't that expected. Most clubs are going to give more attention to their top teams. As for politics...tell me a club where politics isn't an issue. This team has some 2020 girls. Some of which are good enough and some who clearly are not. But obviously they knew someone...or had a sister on another team. So the question you have to ask is...Is my daughter good enough to make the black team? And if she is, will it matter?


You are talking about kids who won't graduate HS for 7-8 yars....relax, be happy they are playing w/ their friends... 7-8 years from now, half the kids won't be playing and you will look back and be sad that you missed the enjoyment of watching them play by worrying about whom they play for!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/18/12 08:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nothing more to say except why would YJ want to play TG until they actually win a competitive tournament, prove themselves to produce quality D1 players,do something other then compare themselves to YJ. Ever heard the saying nothing to gain everything to lose ,the Yankees do not play amateurs .
Like the babylon lax blast? ultra competitive!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/18/12 08:28 PM
If this was a non for profit operation and I didn't pay anything then your. Point would be valid. But I will pay ove $1,000 a summer so it is a serious point.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
i am a proud tg parent but i will remain anonymous because of possib ramifications.my question is will the 2019 team stay intact for next year or will the girls who are 2020 go to the 2020 team? i think they should go to the 2020 team because that would be their correct age. i have a feeling this will not be the case. i am new to travel lacrosse so maybe this is common practice for the other tg teams.can other 2020 girls try out for the 2019 team? if not why not? i do know that one of the girls on the team that scores a lot is 2020 so i assume that she will stay. do other clubs pull up good players toolder teams? or is more she who goes up to an older team has certain inside connections?


I have a child who wants to try out for the 2019 team so any info would be appreciated from current members. Who is the coach? Will the team be mixed age or just 2019?Has there been Equal playing time?Does there seem to be a lot of politics with this team?How many kids do they take per team?Is there a lot of nonsense with picking of the teams such as private lessons with so and so gets you on a team? Do they treat the B teams as well as the A?


If you look back a bit you'll see that the answer varies. I can tell you that there were alot of upset parents when it came to the 2019 purple team. Many felt short changed this year. The black team got alot more attention. But then again, isn't that expected. Most clubs are going to give more attention to their top teams. As for politics...tell me a club where politics isn't an issue. This team has some 2020 girls. Some of which are good enough and some who clearly are not. But obviously they knew someone...or had a sister on another team. So the question you have to ask is...Is my daughter good enough to make the black team? And if she is, will it matter?


You are talking about kids who won't graduate HS for 7-8 yars....relax, be happy they are playing w/ their friends... 7-8 years from now, half the kids won't be playing and you will look back and be sad that you missed the enjoyment of watching them play by worrying about whom they play for!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/18/12 08:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
hear ye, hear ye..... I now proclaim the 2019 Topguns best lacrosse team ever!!!!!!



Keep dreaming!!!! You have not played 2019 YJ yet
That's becausr CR is doing everything in her power to avoid TG teams, look at the All-Star Express brackets - six YJ teams in 2019 bracket, but they woiuld rather play 3 games against other YJ teams then play TG - nothing more to say.


Take a look at all the brackets 2019,2018,2017,2016 there are 8 TG teams not one is scheduled to play a YJ team??? how does that happen by chance??? There must be at least 10 YJ teams registered for this tournanment but no TG YJ matchups? on any level??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/18/12 09:48 PM
I'll make this easy--I am from 2016 YJ blue.--I talked to some of the players and they all agree. To 2016 tg--anytime, anywhere.--let's play. I don't say this in a rude way. I think it will be a good game and the girls should have a blast.
We could even do it as a fundraiser. Let the girls ability speak for its self. I would love to hear some predictions ...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/18/12 10:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
hear ye, hear ye..... I now proclaim the 2019 Topguns best lacrosse team ever!!!!!!



Keep dreaming!!!! You have not played 2019 YJ yet
That's becausr CR is doing everything in her power to avoid TG teams, look at the All-Star Express brackets - six YJ teams in 2019 bracket, but they woiuld rather play 3 games against other YJ teams then play TG - nothing more to say.


Take a look at all the brackets 2019,2018,2017,2016 there are 8 TG teams not one is scheduled to play a YJ team??? how does that happen by chance??? There must be at least 10 YJ teams registered for this tournanment but no TG YJ matchups? on any level??
Plenty of YJ vs YJ games, that's a lot of fun to travel 3-4 hours to have one of your own teams beat up another!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/18/12 10:30 PM
Can anyone who has a daughter on the 2017 black or purple team, share any info about those teams? Considering having my daughter tryout, so any advice, or info, would be greatly appreciated!
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/18/12 10:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'll make this easy--I am from 2016 YJ blue.--I talked to some of the players and they all agree. To 2016 tg--anytime, anywhere.--let's play. I don't say this in a rude way. I think it will be a good game and the girls should have a blast.
We could even do it as a fundraiser. Let the girls ability speak for its self. I would love to hear some predictions ...
Excellent post - BOTC would be happy to organize this as a fundraiser which could be a sponsorship for the Lax4BackPax event.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/18/12 11:36 PM
no offense cage sage but I highly doubt that was a yj 2016 parent , plus which blue team ? Better game would be Cerasso blue vs. TG black, too bad they did not get to play at national draw and I would bet the coach would step up at a charity event
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/19/12 12:41 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
no offense cage sage but I highly doubt that was a yj 2016 parent , plus which blue team ? Better game would be Cerasso blue vs. TG black, too bad they did not get to play at national draw and I would bet the coach would step up at a charity event
The Cerasos would get their team together to play in a fundraiser event any time. As we said, it would be a great event to break down walls and serve the community at large. We would be happy to provide the exposure and coverage.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/19/12 01:15 AM
In the same boat w 2018 - coming from YJ -anyone have any words of advice
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/19/12 01:21 AM
was wondering if anyone out there has switcged from YJ to top guns - have a middle of road player -maybe smaller club 4 her
wouldd be better?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/19/12 02:05 AM
There are definitely a few YJ players who have jumped ship to TG none of which have been on YJ top team. Most have been on 2 level to 3 rd level YJ team hoping to make TG top team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/19/12 02:19 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the same boat w 2018 - coming from YJ -anyone have any words of advice


Stick with YJ
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/19/12 02:24 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
hear ye, hear ye..... I now proclaim the 2019 Topguns best lacrosse team ever!!!!!!



Keep dreaming!!!! You have not played 2019 YJ yet
That's becausr CR is doing everything in her power to avoid TG teams, look at the All-Star Express brackets - six YJ teams in 2019 bracket, but they woiuld rather play 3 games against other YJ teams then play TG - nothing more to say.


Take a look at all the brackets 2019,2018,2017,2016 there are 8 TG teams not one is scheduled to play a YJ team??? how does that happen by chance??? There must be at least 10 YJ teams registered for this tournanment but no TG YJ matchups? on any level??


Maybe tourney directors trying to avoid another fight between BS The top gun director himself and the YJ folks. Witnessed a disgusting event at National draw between him and YJ coach TC on stadium field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/19/12 02:34 AM
If you witnessed it why not give some details , just curious what is considered disgusting event. I have witnessed BS taking it to a new level when arguing with refs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/19/12 11:02 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All you people have nothing better to do than trash talking and analyzing things to death. Just do what's best for your kid and call it day. Keep your negative opinions to yourself. SS didn't claim to be the best player in the past 10 years. However, give her some credit...Tewaaraton Award, Honda Sports Award, Suzy Favor Big Ten Female Athlete of the Year, WomensLax.com Player of the Year, IWLCA Attacker of the Year, MVP of National Championship and ALC Championship, and she was also a finalist for the Sportswoman of the Year. Also, do your math. The Smiths are not getting rich off TG. Their business allows those involved to do what they love. Lastly, don't come down on people because they can afford to give their kids every opportunity to pursue something that they enjoy. Learning to master something (anything!) whether it earns one a scholarship or not will carryover to other aspects of one's life.



Seriously you think they are doing this to allow us to do what we love, they are in it strictly for money do not fool yourself. Your math skills are a joke , they are making big money off of this ,add in TG fees, uniform and clothing monies, all the TG camps, try out fees,private lesson fees , wood stick fees, etc. and yes they are pulling quite a lot of money.All that being said , good for her she has worked hard to make a name for herself as a player and if she works just as hard as a business women she deserves to make a lot of money,but please stop with the she does it for the love of the game, no chance.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/19/12 12:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the same boat w 2018 - coming from YJ -anyone have any words of advice


Stick with YJ


Here is what I notice between TG and YJ. Some of the age groups are on par with YJ and some are certainly not. The 2018 blk looks like a reasonably strong team and seems on par with yj blue, m&d black etc... they played each other only once to a tie in a game called for lightning in second half. So your choice is more about the club than the competitiveness of the team. With politics at play anywhere you go, the only advantage TG has is it is half the size of YJ's and that translates to only half the amount of crazed parents yelling on sidelines and make trouble on the internet.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/19/12 02:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the same boat w 2018 - coming from YJ -anyone have any words of advice


The grass is not always greener on the other side.
1, the costs are about the same TG raised tuition $100 for 2013
2, there are 10 practices scheduled, thats all you get
3, college coaches are away at school during early spring paractices

there are plenty of positives, obviously each team is unique, but most of the parents friendly, respectful, knowledgeable.
SS and BS are good people, yes its a money making enterprise, but you know that going in.
there is no pressure to attend any TG camps, buy shafts, or TG gear, or pay for private lessons. playing time is pretty fair 90% of the time, they will go to the best players in a playoff game.
The YJ are are a good organization, although I think they carry to many kids/teams, but thats my opinion.
ask your daughter if shes happy, let her have a say. all in all you can't go wrong with either club
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/19/12 04:13 PM
thank you all for your advice - it is very much appreciated!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/19/12 04:18 PM
we actually did have more than 10 practices on our YJ team which was nice - and our coaches were awesome
it just seems that the blue team does get more "attention"
our team had two coaches - I was shocked to learn the blue team had 2 coaches for defense - 2 for midfield-2 for attack et. - that was when I became a little jaded - we are all paying the same amount - it just seems if you are on blue - great otherwise ....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/19/12 04:57 PM
Yellow jackets are washed up, go Top Guns all the way!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/19/12 05:49 PM
we actually had more than 10 practices which was great - and our 2 coaches were wonderful
i was suprised to find out though that the blue team has 2 coaches for attack, 2 for defense etc.
it seems if you are on blue you are certainly getting more individual training
i think that's great for them but i thought we were all paying the same price?
this is where i became a litle jaded- i know the grass is always greener but is this same type of disparity going on in top guns too?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/19/12 09:41 PM
Agree, TG is best bang for the buck but keep in mind you MUST make the team each year. Only complaint I have (2 girls in program) is that coaches need to encourage players to pass the ball. Some only pass to their "friends", others run the ball up from defense when there are 2 or 3 open players at any given time. A select few know how to set a play up from behind the cage, but overall a good place for a 2017/18 to get her lax skills to improve. Might want to scrimmage each other during practice too, on the car ride back home several of the girls have commented that they do the same "boring" thing every week. Just my 2 cents for what it's worth.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/19/12 10:43 PM
I also appreciate the feedback. My 2017 daughter is considering Top Guns. Thank you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/19/12 10:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yellow jackets are washed up, go Top Guns all the way!


Washed up I just looked at there website they had a pretty good summer and have done well helping kids find schools . Far from washed up actually they look stronger than ever.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/20/12 01:14 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
we actually had more than 10 practices which was great - and our 2 coaches were wonderful
i was suprised to find out though that the blue team has 2 coaches for attack, 2 for defense etc.
it seems if you are on blue you are certainly getting more individual training
i think that's great for them but i thought we were all paying the same price?
this is where i became a litle jaded- i know the grass is always greener but is this same type of disparity going on in top guns too?


Not sure what YJ team you are referring to but we have been on blue for 5 years now and never had more than 2 coaches! This year we have 1
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/25/12 05:25 PM
I am the parent of a 2020 girl who played on the 209 black team this year. When my daughter tried out for the team we were told that she would be playing with this team for one year and then the following year she would not be moving up with this team and would play with her own age-2020. I can only speak for myself and what we were told, I do not know if all the 2020 girls were told the same thing. I did hear different things throughout the season regarding this but as we all know you should never believe everything you hear!!! smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/26/12 11:00 AM
topguns in semi finals in florida, yellow jackets out. yeah that 2015 yellow jacket team that supposedly never loses.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/26/12 01:05 PM
Why even go there. Just enjoy it in silence and don't stoop to their level. Silence speaks volumes and TG is above posts directed at YJ. Everyone sees the results...Good luck to TG vs. Skywalkers
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/26/12 01:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why even go there. Just enjoy it in silence and don't stoop to their level. Silence speaks volumes and TG is above posts directed at YJ. Everyone sees the results...Good luck to TG vs. Skywalkers


Good idea! Planning to join TG for next summer, and would love to see the parents keep quiet, have fun together, and let the YJ parents go crazy with these posts, and make dopes out of themselves! Ha!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/26/12 04:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why even go there. Just enjoy it in silence and don't stoop to their level. Silence speaks volumes and TG is above posts directed at YJ. Everyone sees the results...Good luck to TG vs. Skywalkers


Good idea! Planning to join TG for next summer, and would love to see the parents keep quiet, have fun together, and let the YJ parents go crazy with these posts, and make dopes out of themselves! Ha!

Go ahead and join them they finished in 3rd place and there is a yellow jacket 15 team still playing for First or Second.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/26/12 05:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why even go there. Just enjoy it in silence and don't stoop to their level. Silence speaks volumes and TG is above posts directed at YJ. Everyone sees the results...Good luck to TG vs. Skywalkers


Good idea! Planning to join TG for next summer, and would love to see the parents keep quiet, have fun together, and let the YJ parents go crazy with these posts, and make dopes out of themselves! Ha!

Go ahead and join them they finished in 3rd place and there is a yellow jacket 15 team still playing for First or Second.


yj2 team went farther than your top tg team so brag away tgs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/26/12 05:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why even go there. Just enjoy it in silence and don't stoop to their level. Silence speaks volumes and TG is above posts directed at YJ. Everyone sees the results...Good luck to TG vs. Skywalkers


Good idea! Planning to join TG for next summer, and would love to see the parents keep quiet, have fun together, and let the YJ parents go crazy with these posts, and make dopes out of themselves! Ha!

Go ahead and join them they finished in 3rd place and there is a yellow jacket 15 team still playing for First or Second.


Carol - stop posting while the Skywalkers are beating you. Concentrate on the game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/26/12 07:59 PM
TG May have place 3rd but at least they gave SW
some competition compared to YJ2
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/26/12 09:18 PM
All teams from Long Islands played well. Congratulations to Skywalkers for a hard fought tournament. Congratulations to both the Yellow Jackets teams And the Top Gun team.I feel terrible to see grown adults bashing programs that encourage girls to compete and grow as individuals. As a mom, I have my girls play sports to stay active and learn to work as a team. To gain confidence and make friendships. To become strong physically and emotionally, and to learn how to deal with victories and defeats. A lesson that is a part of everyday life. These are young ladies working hard, be proud of your child. Encourage them on the sidelines and teach them to respect themselves, their opponents, and their organization. The adults are those that cause animosity, not the players. There is no program that is innocent of this terrible behavior. This forum alone enables people to speak badly about a child without any ramifications. We would be the first to contact a school official if a child is bullied by another on FB or other social media sites, yet we look as if we are following the old motto, "do as I say, not as I do." I am sure there are individuals who have had their child play for one organization, and left because they felt it was not the best fit for their child. I would do the same, but many people who bash YJ or TG probably have never spoken or interacted with the directors or the players. It is just sad, it is a beautiful game and a great sport for girls, growing leaps and bounds. Too bad we all cannot enjoy the game and enjoy our daughters playing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/26/12 09:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why even go there. Just enjoy it in silence and don't stoop to their level. Silence speaks volumes and TG is above posts directed at YJ. Everyone sees the results...Good luck to TG vs. Skywalkers


Good idea! Planning to join TG for next summer, and would love to see the parents keep quiet, have fun together, and let the YJ parents go crazy with these posts, and make dopes out of themselves! Ha!

Go ahead and join them they finished in 3rd place and there is a yellow jacket 15 team still playing for First or Second.


TG beat Skywalkers earlier in this tournament. YCarders couldn't even compete...just sayin'.

yj2 team went farther than your top tg team so brag away tgs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/26/12 09:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All teams from Long Islands played well. Congratulations to Skywalkers for a hard fought tournament. Congratulations to both the Yellow Jackets teams And the Top Gun team.I feel terrible to see grown adults bashing programs that encourage girls to compete and grow as individuals. As a mom, I have my girls play sports to stay active and learn to work as a team. To gain confidence and make friendships. To become strong physically and emotionally, and to learn how to deal with victories and defeats. A lesson that is a part of everyday life. These are young ladies working hard, be proud of your child. Encourage them on the sidelines and teach them to respect themselves, their opponents, and their organization. The adults are those that cause animosity, not the players. There is no program that is innocent of this
terrible behavior. This forum alone enables people to speak badly about a child without any ramifications. We would be the first to contact a school official if a child is bullied by another on FB or other social media sites, yet we look as if we are following the old motto, "do as I say, not as I do." I am sure there are individuals who have had their child play for one organization, and left because they felt it was not the best fit for their child. I would do the same, but many people who bash YJ or TG probably have never spoken or interacted with the directors or the players. It is just sad, it is a beautiful game and a great sport for girls, growing leaps and bounds. Too bad we all cannot enjoy the game and enjoy our daughters playing.


Very well said. Should be required reading prior to posting on this site.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/26/12 11:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All teams from Long Islands played well. Congratulations to Skywalkers for a hard fought tournament. Congratulations to both the Yellow Jackets teams And the Top Gun team.I feel terrible to see grown adults bashing programs that encourage girls to compete and grow as individuals. As a mom, I have my girls play sports to stay active and learn to work as a team. To gain confidence and make friendships. To become strong physically and emotionally, and to learn how to deal with victories and defeats. A lesson that is a part of everyday life. These are young ladies working hard, be proud of your child. Encourage them on the sidelines and teach them to respect themselves, their opponents, and their organization. The adults are those that cause animosity, not the players. There is no program that is innocent of this terrible behavior. This forum alone enables people to speak badly about a child without any ramifications. We would be the first to contact a school official if a child is bullied by another on FB or other social media sites, yet we look as if we are following the old motto, "do as I say, not as I do." I am sure there are individuals who have had their child play for one organization, and left because they felt it was not the best fit for their child. I would do the same, but many people who bash YJ or TG probably have never spoken or interacted with the directors or the players. It is just sad, it is a beautiful game and a great sport for girls, growing leaps and bounds. Too bad we all cannot enjoy the game and enjoy our daughters playing.


Unbelievably well said!!! That message should be copied & broadcast across all the different forums!! Would be nice if we all got along, showed respect, and enjoyed the competition, while teaching our girls to do the same.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/27/12 04:22 PM
Thank you, I feel so fortunate that I had parents who packed a cooler each and every weekend and spend hours watching me play and never muttered a negative word towards other players, our own players or coaches. I hope I am able to do the same. This site should be used to advertise tournaments, talk about accomplishments and help get out information. Calling young ladies names is just not acceptable and down right cruel. There is good and bad throughout, just wish the good was more prevalent. I just look in amazement how fortunate and talented so many of the girls are and how this sport can enable them to gain a great education and an experience very few of us could every imagine. This is their time to shine! I look at the NCAA tournament alone, how many of the girls were from LI. How the little girls who just began to play look up to them as roles models and want to be like so many of them. I had two of my own yelling and cheering! How they cheered and were so happy when the players from NW, Syracuse, and Florida waved, took pictures, and spoke to them. Isn't that what it is all about? Young, confident, strong women who play hard and respect one another (healthy competition) when they win or the loose.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/27/12 07:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thank you, I feel so fortunate that I had parents who packed a cooler each and every weekend and spend hours watching me play and never muttered a negative word towards other players, our own players or coaches. I hope I am able to do the same. This site should be used to advertise tournaments, talk about accomplishments and help get out information. Calling young ladies names is just not acceptable and down right cruel. There is good and bad throughout, just wish the good was more prevalent. I just look in amazement how fortunate and talented so many of the girls are and how this sport can enable them to gain a great education and an experience very few of us could every imagine. This is their time to shine! I look at the NCAA tournament alone, how many of the girls were from LI. How the little girls who just began to play look up to them as roles models and want to be like so many of them. I had two of my own yelling and cheering! How they cheered and were so happy when the players from NW, Syracuse, and Florida waved, took pictures, and spoke to them. Isn't that what it is all about? Young, confident, strong women who play hard and respect one another (healthy competition) when they win or the loose.


I loved everything you wrote here. However, your last line is the one that made me respond. RESPECT. The truth is some programs, like the YJ's do not respect their opponents. Their coaches don't show respect to their opponents. There is a big difference between being a better lacrosse player and being a better person. Unfortunately, that is the reputation that the YJ's have. It's all about ME - don;t care about anyone else. The TG's better be careful, learn from history, learn from mistakes. Don't become what you don't like now. Show respect, earn respect.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/27/12 08:13 PM
I have seen both sides. I have seen TG parents and YJ parents be very respectful to one another, and I have seen the opposite too. We all need to make a better effort to say less and cheer more.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/27/12 08:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have seen both sides. I have seen TG parents and YJ parents be very respectful to one another, and I have seen the opposite too. We all need to make a better effort to say less and cheer more.


I agree with this as well. However, the prior post was referring to the players and coaches showing respect. As the saying goes, "the fish stinks from the head."

Players need to see their coaches chowing respect. Coaches need to show respect. Directors need to develop respect with their coaches. And above all, we need to respect the game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/28/12 12:23 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have seen both sides. I have seen TG parents and YJ parents be very respectful to one another, and I have seen the opposite too. We all need to make a better effort to say less and cheer more.


I agree with this as well. However, the prior post was referring to the players and coaches showing respect. As the saying goes, "the fish stinks from the head."

Players need to see their coaches chowing respect. Coaches need to show respect. Directors need to develop respect with their coaches. And above all, we need to respect the game.


Watch the awards video below and tell me if you see TG and SW players cheering and high giving each other. Then tell me if you see the YJ girls hardly clapping. Seems they are missing out and that's sad!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K90zl6---iM
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/28/12 01:45 AM
I watched this video but did not come away with the same impression. Looks like everyone was clapping and had a great time. I think this is a reach at poor sportsmanship.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/28/12 02:20 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I watched this video but did not come away with the same impression. Looks like everyone was clapping and had a great time. I think this is a reach at poor sportsmanship.


You are entitled to your opinion. I was there and trust me it was obvious. Not only bad sportsmanship but they wouldn't talk to or congratulate anyone else. I just think they are missing out that's all. I know some of the YJ girls and they are really nice girls. I just wish the culture was different.

Any Skywalkers parents care to comment?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/28/12 03:06 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I watched this video but did not come away with the same impression. Looks like everyone was clapping and had a great time. I think this is a reach at poor sportsmanship.


For a top 3 team, thought TG would have better uniforms... razorbacks or something... purple pinneys and black shorts...not much of a fashion statement!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/28/12 12:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I watched this video but did not come away with the same impression. Looks like everyone was clapping and had a great time. I think this is a reach at poor sportsmanship.


For a top 3 team, thought TG would have better uniforms... razorbacks or something... purple pinneys and black shorts...not much of a fashion statement!


Ok??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/28/12 12:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I watched this video but did not come away with the same impression. Looks like everyone was clapping and had a great time. I think this is a reach at poor sportsmanship.


For a top 3 team, thought TG would have better uniforms... razorbacks or something... purple pinneys and black shorts...not much of a fashion statement!


If they had nicer uniforms they would win the championship!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/28/12 12:56 PM
Uniforms are not what it's about, who cares? It's about playing lacrosse .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/28/12 01:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I watched this video but did not come away with the same impression. Looks like everyone was clapping and had a great time. I think this is a reach at poor sportsmanship.


For a top 3 team, thought TG would have better uniforms... razorbacks or something... purple pinneys and black shorts...not much of a fashion statement!


You can go away now.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/28/12 01:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have seen both sides. I have seen TG parents and YJ parents be very respectful to one another, and I have seen the opposite too. We all need to make a better effort to say less and cheer more.


I agree with this as well. However, the prior post was referring to the players and coaches showing respect. As the saying goes, "the fish stinks from the head."

Players need to see their coaches chowing respect. Coaches need to show respect. Directors need to develop respect with their coaches. And above all, we need to respect the game.


Watch the awards video below and tell me if you see TG and SW players cheering and high giving each other. Then tell me if you see the YJ girls hardly clapping. Seems they are missing out and that's saD
All that video shows is that there are great players from all the teams- relax and enjoy the sport !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K90zl6---iM
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/28/12 01:47 PM
Do you really think they were serious??
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Uniforms are not what it's about, who cares? It's about playing lacrosse .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/28/12 02:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I watched this video but did not come away with the same impression. Looks like everyone was clapping and had a great time. I think this is a reach at poor sportsmanship.


For a top 3 team, thought TG would have better uniforms... razorbacks or something... purple pinneys and black shorts...not much of a fashion statement!
look at sky Walker blue pinnie blue shorts= champs . YJ's have the prettiest 7 or 8th place uniforms with those ugly bees though
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/28/12 03:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I watched this video but did not come away with the same impression. Looks like everyone was clapping and had a great time. I think this is a reach at poor sportsmanship.


For a top 3 team, thought TG would have better uniforms... razorbacks or something... purple pinneys and black shorts...not much of a fashion statement!
look at sky Walker blue pinnie blue shorts= champs . YJ's have the prettiest 7 or 8th place uniforms with those ugly bees though


Haha. Ok let's refocus on the denial issues. Are you YJ folks going to say you are good sports? Or have humility? If you just let it go and admit you are disliked by the rest of the English speaking world because of your nasty, pompous attitudes not your winning percentage maybe you can begin to repair your broken reputation and your girls can begin to understand how it feels to be respected by their opponents and officials. There has to be at least one YJ parent who sees this. Let's hear from you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/28/12 03:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I watched this video but did not come away with the same impression. Looks like everyone was clapping and had a great time. I think this is a reach at poor sportsmanship.


For a top 3 team, thought TG would have better uniforms... razorbacks or something... purple pinneys and black shorts...not much of a fashion statement!
look at sky Walker blue pinnie blue shorts= champs . YJ's have the prettiest 7 or 8th place uniforms with those ugly bees though


If the are any SWalker parents here let me thank you for your kind words after the games and your support throughout. It was a true pleasure getting to know you all...
TG parent.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/28/12 03:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the are any SWalker parents here let me thank you for your kind words after the games and your support throughout. It was a true pleasure getting to know you all...
TG parent.
Yes, we have had a steady flow of Marylanders here on the site in the last several days.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/28/12 04:28 PM
FEAR THE BEE...........BAH HA HA HA .......
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/28/12 09:41 PM
Fear TG hahahahahaha they win nothing
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/28/12 09:46 PM
I have to admit you TGs were the happiest group of athletes I have seen after a loss ,that attitude should serve you and your team well in the future.My guess is you guys should be very happy for years to come.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/28/12 09:52 PM
Seriously ,why not have someone in charge of the 2016 team step up to raise money for the lax for backpacks, play a friendly game in what would be a nice fundraiser.Not stirring the pot but I cannot understand why both teams would not jump at the chance.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/28/12 11:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have to admit you TGs were the happiest group of athletes I have seen after a loss ,that attitude should serve you and your team well in the future.My guess is you guys should be very happy for years to come.


No worries. We all see you miss the point. We will be happy and win or lose we will never be like you or your club. You are on an island all by yourselves. Congrats and good luck in life...you'll need it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/29/12 12:05 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I watched this video but did not come away with the same impression. Looks like everyone was clapping and had a great time. I think this is a reach at poor sportsmanship.


For a top 3 team, thought TG would have better uniforms... razorbacks or something... purple pinneys and black shorts...not much of a fashion statement!
look at sky Walker blue pinnie blue shorts= champs . YJ's have the prettiest 7 or 8th place uniforms with those ugly bees though

It's funny how it always has to back to YJ no matter what site. Pathetic. Is it because Top Guns has nothing to say?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/29/12 12:53 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seriously ,why not have someone in charge of the 2016 team step up to raise money for the lax for backpacks, play a friendly game in what would be a nice fundraiser.Not stirring the pot but I cannot understand why both teams would not jump at the chance.


They specifically only want town teams in this tournament. They don't want travel clubs running up the scores on all the other teams entered. This is not a destination, big name club tournament by any stretch, it is meant to keep local town teams active in the summer and the organizers told me that they only want town teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/29/12 01:14 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seriously ,why not have someone in charge of the 2016 team step up to raise money for the lax for backpacks, play a friendly game in what would be a nice fundraiser.Not stirring the pot but I cannot understand why both teams would not jump at the chance.


They specifically only want town teams in this tournament. They don't want travel clubs running up the scores on all the other teams entered. This is not a destination, big name club tournament by any stretch, it is meant to keep local town teams active in the summer and the organizers told me that they only want town teams.


I believe there was a chance to set up a special 1 game showdown to raise extra money, would be separate from tourney,maybe like a showcase game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/29/12 11:52 AM
BEWARE,,, to town...Just heard several travel teams are entered in Lax for backpacks. wheather this is actually true or not would have to be confirmed by them , Boys have travel teams entered.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seriously ,why not have someone in charge of the 2016 team step up to raise money for the lax for backpacks, play a friendly game in what would be a nice fundraiser.Not stirring the pot but I cannot understand why both teams would not jump at the chance.


They specifically only want town teams in this tournament. They don't want travel clubs running up the scores on all the other teams entered. This is not a destination, big name club tournament by any stretch, it is meant to keep local town teams active in the summer and the organizers told me that they only want town teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/29/12 01:50 PM
bee keepers
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/29/12 02:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BEWARE,,, to town...Just heard several travel teams are entered in Lax for backpacks. wheather this is actually true or not would have to be confirmed by them , Boys have travel teams entered.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seriously ,why not have someone in charge of the 2016 team step up to raise money for the lax for backpacks, play a friendly game in what would be a nice fundraiser.Not stirring the pot but I cannot understand why both teams would not jump at the chance.


You can't even be obnoxious well. Start working on your attitude and lack of humility and sportsmanship. Then you can work on tournament organization.
This has been a public service announcement.

They specifically only want town teams in this tournament. They don't want travel clubs running up the scores on all the other teams entered. This is not a destination, big name club tournament by any stretch, it is meant to keep local town teams active in the summer and the organizers told me that they only want town teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/30/12 02:22 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BEWARE,,, to town...Just heard several travel teams are entered in Lax for backpacks. wheather this is actually true or not would have to be confirmed by them , Boys have travel teams entered.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seriously ,why not have someone in charge of the 2016 team step up to raise money for the lax for backpacks, play a friendly game in what would be a nice fundraiser.Not stirring the pot but I cannot understand why both teams would not jump at the chance.


They specifically only want town teams in this tournament. They don't want travel clubs running up the scores on all the other teams entered. This is not a destination, big name club tournament by any stretch, it is meant to keep local town teams active in the summer and the organizers told me that they only want town teams.
It appears that Team Elevate has teams playing in the tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/30/12 03:43 PM
Whenever you say any top gun team one thing always comes to mind, wanna be
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/30/12 03:50 PM
Keep up the hard work someday you guys will win a significant tournament at one of the ages and be able to claim to have won a national title. I hear the 2019 team has an excellent chance at being that team and with the new coaches coming in will be the obvious top team in that organization.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/30/12 06:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep up the hard work someday you guys will win a significant tournament at one of the ages and be able to claim to have won a national title. I hear the 2019 team has an excellent chance at being that team and with the new coaches coming in will be the obvious top team in that organization.


Are you talking about new coaches for TG 2019 or YJ 2019? There's so much talk about both programs here, it's hard to keep up some time. I'm just wondering about TG 2019, for my daughter's sake. Thanks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/30/12 08:07 PM
I have also heard that 2019 TG may be getting a new coach, although it was just rumor and knowing the coach I doubt what I heard is the truth.Just have to waitand see.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/30/12 08:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have also heard that 2019 TG may be getting a new coach, although it was just rumor and knowing the coach I doubt what I heard is the truth.Just have to waitand see.


Would you happen to know anything about the 2017 TG teams? My friend's daughter is trying out for 2017 black. Just wondering if you had any insight, since it seems like you're involved with TG. Thanks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/30/12 08:21 PM
2017 team is okay not that good. Kids seem to be a nice group but not very competitive yet.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/30/12 08:39 PM
They had a good season. This summer team was stronger than last year's team. They picked up some very good players this season and suspect that with each season they will keep getting better.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/31/12 02:46 AM
My daughter is a 2nd year player for 2017 black and I agree, this year was exciting! The new additions performed well, the girls seem to jell better. Still need to pass the ball and use the cage more and I suspect a few may be moved to purple although they didn't do too bad either, good luck to your daughter.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/31/12 03:01 AM
No offense but not exactly a ringing endorsement.If your kid is a competitive 2017 player look elsewhere
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/31/12 12:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No offense but not exactly a ringing endorsement.If your kid is a competitive 2017 player look elsewhere


My daughters are not on this team but I have watched this team play a few games this year. Certain age groups the TG are very strong and a couple are building to get there. This teams looks to be a decent foundation and I expect with the addition of a few good players, would be very competitive. My thinking is TG is attracting new talent every year and every year each team is getting stronger and stronger. With more established teams and clubs, sometimes even talent can't bust through the politics. This team is a good oppurtunity for a talented girl to get in and get established. When TG first started it was a ground floor opportunity, but the teams are becoming more and more established each year making it harder and harder to make or keep a spot on the roster.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/31/12 01:12 PM
Don't fool yourself TG has as much politics at play as any other club. Kids with connections make the top teams, kids that pay extra for private lessons get preference etc..Watch 2019 and see if certain 2020 kids stay with the black team while true 2019 kids who deserve to be on black but have no connections are put on purple.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/31/12 02:10 PM
Girls did well. Always had winning record at every tournament whether they went 4-2, 5-1 or undefeated. Good group of talented girls that need to be developed more. Overall great season and only getting stronger.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/31/12 03:41 PM
All purple teams struggled not very competitive.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/31/12 05:04 PM
Saw M&D Black take them down 16-0 at CNC, it didn't look good.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No offense but not exactly a ringing endorsement.If your kid is a competitive 2017 player look elsewhere
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/31/12 05:23 PM
when talking 2017 wont it be interesting when the clubs that do not entertain teams over 8th grade level have their players move to TG?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/31/12 07:56 PM
It would be great to have some additional talent tryout for Top Guns to keep building this young program. I believe with each year this program will improve because of the coaching and respect shown to the girls. Shannon, Andrew and Bill Smith are absolutely great to work with.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/31/12 08:21 PM
Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/31/12 08:29 PM
Agree this team is not that far off from being a really good team.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/31/12 08:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...
Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/31/12 08:35 PM
Not trying to be a jerk just curious.The three coaches you mention , do any have any coaching experience. Do not know Bill Smiths background but has he been a successful coach , Andrew is still college age , has he had much coaching experience with girls programs as he is the only college age man I have seen around coaching girls travel lacrosse.Obviously everyone knows shannons playing career but as a coach I am curious to see where she ends up.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/31/12 08:35 PM
WLAX : Smith Named as Ninth Women's Head Coach

Hempstead, NY – Shannon Smith, a three-time first-team lacrosse All-American who is among the most decorated players in the sport, will return to her native Long Island to become head coach of Hofstra University’s women’s lacrosse team, Vice President and Director of Athletics Jeffrey A. Hathaway announced today.

Smith becomes the ninth head coach in the history of the Hofstra women’s lacrosse program, replacing Abby Morgan who resigned after six seasons at the helm.

“I am extremely excited that Shannon Smith is joining the Hofstra University family as our head women’s lacrosse coach,” commented Hathaway.

“Shannon’s strong ties in the Long Island lacrosse community, combined with her superior leadership ability, extremely competitive nature, and extensive playing experience at the highest level, will be a tremendous asset as we work to develop Hofstra women’s lacrosse into a nationally-recognized elite program. She is very committed to academic success, understands the overall development of student-athletes during their college experience and clearly supports giving back to the community.

“After speaking with numerous highly-respected coaches, athletic administrators and others associated with the women’s lacrosse world about our search for a new head coach, it became evident to me that Shannon possesses outstanding credibility and credentials in the sport and is the perfect fit for Hofstra University,” continued Hathaway.

Smith said she is excited to start her tenure at Hofstra.

“I am extremely thankful to Hofstra President Stuart Rabinowitz and Vice President and Director of Athletics Jeff Hathaway for giving me the opportunity to lead the Hofstra women's lacrosse program," said Smith. “Hofstra is a phenomenal institution that strives for excellence in academics and athletics and I look forward to helping provide our student-athletics with a great experience in the classroom, on the playing field and in the community.

“It is an honor and a privilege to be put in a position to return home to Long Island and build a program that will be very competitive and successful in the near future. The lacrosse facilities and resources in place at Hofstra are amongst the best in the nation and combined with the great academic climate and beautiful campus I am confident the future is bright for the Hofstra women’s lacrosse program.

“I can’t thank Dr. Phillips (Dr. James Phillips, Northwestern University's Director of Athletics & Recreation) and Kelly (Kelly Amonte Hiller, Northwestern University’s Head Women’s Lacrosse Coach) enough for their support and guidance over the last four-plus years,” continued Smith. “The entire Northwestern family has been very supportive of the women’s lacrosse program there and it certainly assisted in my development as a player, person and coach.”

Smith recently completed a four-year playing career at Northwestern. Among her many highlights included winning three NCAA titles, earning three first team All-American honors (2010, 2011, 2012) and capturing the 2011 Tewaaraton (presented annually to the NCAA women's and men's lacrosse player of the year) and lacrosse Honda (recognized as the top collegiate female athlete in her sport, and the award is considered by many as one of the highest honors a female college athlete can receive in the nation) Awards.

Smith is very adept at the business side of lacrosse as well. Since 2009, she has served as a director with Long Island Top Guns girls lacrosse club. Smith has assisted with every aspect of the club and helped organize and coach a training program for over 300 players. From managing the business side of the club to coaching teams, Smith has played a vital role in the development of one of the top club programs in the area. Through her work with Long Island Top Guns, Smith manages a total of four camps, while overseeing a staff of over 20 people.

This past June Smith coached the North squad at the 2012 Under Armour All-America Lacrosse Classic.

Smith’s immense experience at the highest level of lacrosse continues with her extensive US Lacrosse career. Just this past weekend, she was named to the roster for the 2012-14 U.S. women’s national senior team. This group will serve as the training team pool for the team that will defend Team USA's 2009 gold medal at the 2013 Federation of International Lacrosse (FIL) World Cup in Oshawa, Ontario. Smith also was part of the 2011-12 U.S. women’s national training team and the 2007 U.S. women’s national under-19 team. As a member of the U-19 squad, she helped lead the team to the Gold Medal at the 2007 World Cup.

A key player on three teams that captured NCAA titles at Northwestern (2009, 2011, 2012), Smith was the Most Outstanding Player of the 2011 and 2012 Championships. During her career, she scored 58 points in the NCAA Tournament to rank second all-time in that category.

Smith is not defined solely by her postseason honors and awards, though, as she totaled 254 goals, 108 assists and 362 points during her career. Her goals total ranks first all-time in program history, while she is second all-time in points and third in assists. Her 86 goals in 2011 are a single-season record for the Northwestern program. In addition, she ranks eighth all-time in NCAA Division I women’s lacrosse in points and ninth in goals.

She played in 91 games during her career at Northwestern, adding 118 draw controls, 85 ground balls and 28 caused turnovers. Smith had 19 game-winning goals during her career and her 2011 season was her most prolific with 86 goals, 42 assists, 128 points, 39 draw controls, 25 ground balls and eight caused turnovers.

Smith has done charitable work in the Long Island community as well. She is actively involved with the Friends of Jacyln Foundation and Our Lady of Grace Garden. She also helped lead a group of counselors at the South Bay Elementary School (West Babylon, New [lacrosse]) Lacrosse Camp to raise $6,500 towards the reconstruction of the school after a fire.

A native of West Babylon, New [lacrosse], Smith attended West Babylon High School where she was a six-time letter-winner and was a member of the varsity squad starting in seventh grade. Smith was one of the top scholastic lacrosse players to ever come out of Long Island as she had 729 points on 505 goals and 224 assists during her career. Both the points and goals totals are New [lacrosse] state records as is her 129 goals in 2006.

Smith received her bachelor of science in liberal arts, with a major in economics and minor in business institutions program, from Northwestern.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/31/12 09:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It would be great to have some additional talent tryout for Top Guns to keep building this young program. I believe with each year this program will improve because of the coaching and respect shown to the girls. Shannon, Andrew and Bill Smith are absolutely great to work with.


No coaching experience
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/31/12 09:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It would be great to have some additional talent tryout for Top Guns to keep building this young program. I believe with each year this program will improve because of the coaching and respect shown to the girls. Shannon, Andrew and Bill Smith are absolutely great to work with.


No coaching experience


And yet the club is doing great with happy kids and parents and Shannon just got the Head Coaching job at Hofstra. Seems pretty good so far. Gonna try and buzz kill aren't ya.
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/31/12 10:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It would be great to have some additional talent tryout for Top Guns to keep building this young program. I believe with each year this program will improve because of the coaching and respect shown to the girls. Shannon, Andrew and Bill Smith are absolutely great to work with.


No coaching experience


Except within TG (that I know of) and I had no complaints.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 07/31/12 11:56 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...
Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.


Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 12:05 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree this team is not that far off from being a really good team.


Hopefully, my daughter makes the 2017 black team, and turns out to be a solid contributor. Would like to see her grow with the team, into a real top team in a few years! Thanks for the feedback on the team and program!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 12:42 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't fool yourself TG has as much politics at play as any other club. Kids with connections make the top teams, kids that pay extra for private lessons get preference etc..Watch 2019 and see if certain 2020 kids stay with the black team while true 2019 kids who deserve to be on black but have no connections are put on purple.


No doubt there are politics there, but the club, teams and players are new and the politics aren't as deep as some other clubs (yet). Don't understand the 2019 2020 comment, next year all the 2020 kids will fall down an age group and 19's will move along.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 01:36 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree this team is not that far off from being a really good team.

MD beat the 16-0 that is really really far off
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 01:59 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...
Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.


Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...


I think this is terrible news for the program. The reason why is that I truly feel she will be way over her head in coaching a D1 program. With all that it requires she will have no time for Top Guns. Many people came to TG because of SS. Now I think many will leave because she won't be there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 02:16 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...
Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.


Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...


I think this is terrible news for the program. The reason why is that I truly feel she will be way over her head in coaching a D1 program. With all that it requires she will have no time for Top Guns. Many people came to TG because of SS. Now I think many will leave because she won't be there.
Go to bed CR!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 02:20 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree this team is not that far off from being a really good team.

MD beat the 16-0 that is really really far off
TG 2019 Black only lost two of thirty games this year, lost to YJ 2018 Blue in semi-finals at National Draw and lost to Hero's 2019 in semi-final at Club National Championships by one goal in a poorly officiated game, beat M&D and Skywalkers the only times they played!
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 02:27 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...
Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.


Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...
First and foremost, congratulations to Coach Smith for landing the role at Hofstra. All of our insiders report that she demonstrated a vision for the Pride program that was a step beyond all other applicants.

That said, the fact is that she will be the youngest women's head coach in all of NCAA Division I sports. She takes the role without any collegiate assistant coaching experience and will need to rely heavily on her on-field leadership and coaching experience with the Top Guns.

Despite positive public reports that she has given, there is a ton of work to do at Hofstra as the women's program substantially missed the mark this year. Since the elimination of the football program, athletic donations are down roughly 30% and the lacrosse program is being strained to carry the load.

So, why might Hofstra have made this unorthodox head coaching selection? Does the University want to draw more women's players from the local area? Is the University tired of losing press pages to Stonybrook's program under Joe Spallina this season? Is the in-coming Athletic Director trying to assert a new direction by taking new coaches who might be more malleable?

Here's the bottom line. Hofstra's women's program is at least two recruiting seasons away from being a serious force in the NCAA Division I world again. That is nearly a lifetime in college athletics.

Undoubtedly, the selection of Smith must be a longer term play to help the program through the transition period. The question is whether Smith will have the stomach to put in three years or more dealing with a team in transition.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 02:32 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree this team is not that far off from being a really good team.

MD beat the 16-0 that is really really far off
TG 2019 Black only lost two of thirty games this year, lost to YJ 2018 Blue in semi-finals at National Draw and lost to Hero's 2019 in semi-final at Club National Championships by one goal in a poorly officiated game, beat M&D and Skywalkers the only times they played!
Also beat plenty of 2018 teams over the summer, including playoff wins!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 02:36 AM
Why does everything always go back to CR she did not write that! You go to bed
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 03:24 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree this team is not that far off from being a really good team.

MD beat the 16-0 that is really really far off
TG 2019 Black only lost two of thirty games this year, lost to YJ 2018 Blue in semi-finals at National Draw and lost to Hero's 2019 in semi-final at Club National Championships by one goal in a poorly officiated game, beat M&D and Skywalkers the only times they played!
Also beat plenty of 2018 teams over the summer, including playoff wins!


They were talking about 2017 not 2019. But agreed 2019 is a solid team just like 2018, had a very similar first year. 18's dropped a bunch of players to 19's after the first year but picked up some nice additions and had a strong season. The 19's will be doing the same this year and I would imagine will have a good second season like the18's. 17's not at that high level yet, but I expect them to get there within a year or two. I know of a couple parents talking about daughters trying out for 17 who would make an immediate impact, but that's just talk at this point.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 03:33 AM
2017 Black should move a few defenders to purple, they seemed much less aggressive than their teammates. Offense was solid for the most part-again, they need to mix the teams up and move the ball like they do on the older teams. Once they eliminate the clicky buddies and mix up the attack/mid lines the girls will be untouchable. Very aggressive and fast, should try different girls at the draw. Very coachable and respectful, great group of parents getting to know each other. If you're coming from the north shore/east end the practices are in West Babylon and it only takes 20/25 minutes to get to the field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 03:44 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't fool yourself TG has as much politics at play as any other club. Kids with connections make the top teams, kids that pay extra for private lessons get preference etc..Watch 2019 and see if certain 2020 kids stay with the black team while true 2019 kids who deserve to be on black but have no connections are put on purple.


The 2020 girls SHOULD stay down to play with their own age group!!! Since there will be a team at their age there would be no reason for them to move up with the 2019 team!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 03:58 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree this team is not that far off from being a really good team.

MD beat the 16-0 that is really really far off
TG 2019 Black only lost two of thirty games this year, lost to YJ 2018 Blue in semi-finals at National Draw and lost to Hero's 2019 in semi-final at Club National Championships by one goal in a poorly officiated game, beat M&D and Skywalkers the only times they played!

When did you play MD
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 04:02 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't fool yourself TG has as much politics at play as any other club. Kids with connections make the top teams, kids that pay extra for private lessons get preference etc..Watch 2019 and see if certain 2020 kids stay with the black team while true 2019 kids who deserve to be on black but have no connections are put on purple.


No doubt there are politics there, but the club, teams and players are new and the politics aren't as deep as some other clubs (yet). Don't understand the 2019 2020 comment, next year all the 2020 kids will fall down an age group and 19's will move along.



Do Not Bet On It. Politics will come into play and the favorites will get to pick where they play and will not be able to resist the allure of saying they play up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 05:08 AM
Don't believe we played M&D 2019 this summer. Could be mistaken.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree this team is not that far off from being a really good team.

MD beat the 16-0 that is really really far off
TG 2019 Black only lost two of thirty games this year, lost to YJ 2018 Blue in semi-finals at National Draw and lost to Hero's 2019 in semi-final at Club National Championships by one goal in a poorly officiated game, beat M&D and Skywalkers the only times they played!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 10:10 AM
Does this mean that all those little top gun players who at the d1 final sporting purple face paint and sporting northwestern apparel and the suck [lacrosse] parents who wanna do everything in their power to see that their daughter is just like SM , are now gonna sport hofstra gear? , I bet we will see all those little followers on the first day of school show up dressed and ready to go with hofstra written all over them ...too bad now all practices will be in Nassau county.. Happy commuting.. Let's go Shannon..



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...
Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.


Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 01:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does this mean that all those little top gun players who at the d1 final sporting purple face paint and sporting northwestern apparel and the suck [lacrosse] parents who wanna do everything in their power to see that their daughter is just like SM , are now gonna sport hofstra gear? , I bet we will see all those little followers on the first day of school show up dressed and ready to go with hofstra written all over them ...too bad now all practices will be in Nassau county.. Happy commuting.. Let's go Shannon..



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...
Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.


Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...


It is sad to see someone so bitter, digging on little girls. GET A LIFE.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 01:12 PM
thats a given. all TG practices will now be on Hofstra property as they have more than enough room. I am sure the school will love those future applicants running around and SS would have been stupid not to include it.

Part of most all coaches compensation package or lack there of is the use of facilities for Camps and Clinics to subsidize their program (fundraising) and the coaches.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 01:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does this mean that all those little top gun players who at the d1 final sporting purple face paint and sporting northwestern apparel and the suck [lacrosse] parents who wanna do everything in their power to see that their daughter is just like SM , are now gonna sport hofstra gear? , I bet we will see all those little followers on the first day of school show up dressed and ready to go with hofstra written all over them ...too bad now all practices will be in Nassau county.. Happy commuting.. Let's go Shannon..



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...
Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.


Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...


Not sure where the animosity concerning apparel comes from. Who cares who they cheer for. Pretty sure all you YJ parents walking around in your bee gear do the same. As far as the national championship game goes it was awesome seeing the support for Shannon. Try to be happy for a young lady accomplishing great things. Best of luck Shannon!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 02:19 PM
Are there any plans to start a summer clinic for the younger ages in the summer? Right now it seems like YJ is the only club that offers something for the younger girls. I heard good things about the TG club but it doesn't seem to offer anything for my daughter until 5th grade, unless I missed something.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 02:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does this mean that all those little top gun players who at the d1 final sporting purple face paint and sporting northwestern apparel and the suck [lacrosse] parents who wanna do everything in their power to see that their daughter is just like SM , are now gonna sport hofstra gear? , I bet we will see all those little followers on the first day of school show up dressed and ready to go with hofstra written all over them ...too bad now all practices will be in Nassau county.. Happy commuting.. Let's go Shannon..



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...
Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.


Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...


Happy commuting? Is that how you put a negative spin on this? I have no idea if she would be allowed to use the fields and facilities, but as a TG parent we could only hope so.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 02:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does this mean that all those little top gun players who at the d1 final sporting purple face paint and sporting northwestern apparel and the suck [lacrosse] parents who wanna do everything in their power to see that their daughter is just like SM , are now gonna sport hofstra gear? , I bet we will see all those little followers on the first day of school show up dressed and ready to go with hofstra written all over them ...too bad now all practices will be in Nassau county.. Happy commuting.. Let's go Shannon..


You can say that again! What a sad way to live...so angry...


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...
Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.


Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...


It is sad to see someone so bitter, digging on little girls. GET A LIFE.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 02:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does this mean that all those little top gun players who at the d1 final sporting purple face paint and sporting northwestern apparel and the suck [lacrosse] parents who wanna do everything in their power to see that their daughter is just like SM , are now gonna sport hofstra gear? , I bet we will see all those little followers on the first day of school show up dressed and ready to go with hofstra written all over them ...too bad now all practices will be in Nassau county.. Happy commuting.. Let's go Shannon..



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...
Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.


Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...


Not sure where the animosity concerning apparel comes from. Who cares who they cheer for. Pretty sure all you YJ parents walking around in your bee gear do the same. As far as the national championship game goes it was awesome seeing the support for Shannon. Try to be happy for a young lady accomplishing great things. Best of luck Shannon!


Even more awesome at the national championships was watching one of your coaches of your younger teams drink so much he could not function other then scream an occasional go Shannon.Excellent role model we were really impressed at how obnoxious he could get.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 03:15 PM
Honestly yes who cares who they cheer for ? , but it is funny that 3/4's of the program has no clue about Hofstra LAX , they only cheered for NW because of Shannon and still had no clue about the school , never knew squat other then tournaments are there , and thats where the LI lizards play. I bet the TG mommys did there dash already to the store and bought out Hofstra wear already... Can see it now !! lmfao

What a lifestyle !!
This is a ridiculous site were house wifes/lax moms sit at computer all day and troll for info on everyones next move !
Then goto travel practice and spread the gossip of what they heard about the other programs.. Seriously ... i guess facebook is so played out that this is what it comes down to.




Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does this mean that all those little top gun players who at the d1 final sporting purple face paint and sporting northwestern apparel and the suck [lacrosse] parents who wanna do everything in their power to see that their daughter is just like SM , are now gonna sport hofstra gear? , I bet we will see all those little followers on the first day of school show up dressed and ready to go with hofstra written all over them ...too bad now all practices will be in Nassau county.. Happy commuting.. Let's go Shannon..



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...
Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.


Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...


Not sure where the animosity concerning apparel comes from. Who cares who they cheer for. Pretty sure all you YJ parents walking around in your bee gear do the same. As far as the national championship game goes it was awesome seeing the support for Shannon. Try to be happy for a young lady accomplishing great things. Best of luck Shannon!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 03:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does this mean that all those little top gun players who at the d1 final sporting purple face paint and sporting northwestern apparel and the suck [lacrosse] parents who wanna do everything in their power to see that their daughter is just like SM , are now gonna sport hofstra gear? , I bet we will see all those little followers on the first day of school show up dressed and ready to go with hofstra written all over them ...too bad now all practices will be in Nassau county.. Happy commuting.. Let's go Shannon..



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...
Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.


Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...


Not sure where the animosity concerning apparel comes from. Who cares who they cheer for. Pretty sure all you YJ parents walking around in your bee gear do the same. As far as the national championship game goes it was awesome seeing the support for Shannon. Try to be happy for a young lady accomplishing great things. Best of luck Shannon!


Even more awesome at the national championships was watching one of your coaches of your younger teams drink so much he could not function other then scream an occasional go Shannon.Excellent role model we were really impressed at how obnoxious he could get.


The amazing accomplishments of this fine young lady certainly seems to bring out a lot of jealousy in some people. Better luck to you in your next life.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 03:59 PM
Previous Post about 2017 BlACK I agree a couple of defenders should be moved down to purple not aggressive enough also offense needs to move the ball more there are other girls on the team with talent.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 04:14 PM
I agree went to a couple of there games my daughter wants to try out for them this year defense is agressive. #7 is tough and has talent offense has a few girls with great skills i can see this team being very very good in a couple more years playing together.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 04:50 PM
You have to be joking? #7... You have to be that girls mom..serious..you think she will get a "RIDE" to Hofstra now??
get a grip get off the high horse

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree went to a couple of there games my daughter wants to try out for them this year defense is agressive. #7 is tough and has talent offense has a few girls with great skills i can see this team being very very good in a couple more years playing together.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 04:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does this mean that all those little top gun players who at the d1 final sporting purple face paint and sporting northwestern apparel and the suck [lacrosse] parents who wanna do everything in their power to see that their daughter is just like SM , are now gonna sport hofstra gear? , I bet we will see all those little followers on the first day of school show up dressed and ready to go with hofstra written all over them ...too bad now all practices will be in Nassau county.. Happy commuting.. Let's go Shannon..



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shannon Smith - Head Coach at Hofstra...
Confirmed - story to be made available shortly.


Any thoughts on how the Hofstra gig might affect Top Guns? At least it keeps her local, as opposed to getting a job at some school out of state...


Not sure where the animosity concerning apparel comes from. Who cares who they cheer for. Pretty sure all you YJ parents walking around in your bee gear do the same. As far as the national championship game goes it was awesome seeing the support for Shannon. Try to be happy for a young lady accomplishing great things. Best of luck Shannon!


Even more awesome at the national championships was watching one of your coaches of your younger teams drink so much he could not function other then scream an occasional go Shannon.Excellent role model we were really impressed at how obnoxious he could get.


Yeah. Almost as good as one of your coaches chewing tobacco and spitting in a cup on the sideline while screaming at adolescent girls. Get a grip. There's way more if you wanna go there!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 07:27 PM
Or a YJ mother (coaches relative) staggering around All-Star express drunk and yelling at her kid because she's not playing well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 08:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Or a YJ mother (coaches relative) staggering around All-Star express drunk and yelling at her kid because she's not playing well.


Why don't you all just stop now! Unless you enjoy sounding like trailer trash.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 09:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't believe we played M&D 2019 this summer. Could be mistaken.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree this team is not that far off from being a really good team.

MD beat the 16-0 that is really really far off
TG 2019 Black only lost two of thirty games this year, lost to YJ 2018 Blue in semi-finals at National Draw and lost to Hero's 2019 in semi-final at Club National Championships by one goal in a poorly officiated game, beat M&D and Skywalkers the only times they played!
it was md united, not m&d
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 09:46 PM
My daughter does play for the 2017 Black team and it really was a nice experience for us. We would be happy to have your daughter. Nice girls and families. No drama. Just a nice organization that we are now loyal to and would love to see it just get better and better. I do believe stronger talent will tryout especially now that Shannon Smith is the Hofstra head coach. This will be a draw for girls that want to play D1 and stay local. Although she is not our coach, she did oversee the team and knows all of their names.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 09:58 PM
This was a nice thread until you joined it. Why the hate? Why do you care that young girls look up to a fantastic athlete as a role model? Who cares what school they cheer for? I can think of a lot worse things that young girls could be doing than going to a sporting event with family and friends and having a dream to one day be on that field playing that level of lacrosse. The thread started positive with honest feed back. No need to be a hater. Sadly, I think I already know who you are and I feel for you and your daughter. Try being more positive and this may help her overall lacrosse experience and friendships, It is okay to cheer for any college of your choice and in the end still get along.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/01/12 11:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My daughter does play for the 2017 Black team and it really was a nice experience for us. We would be happy to have your daughter. Nice girls and families. No drama. Just a nice organization that we are now loyal to and would love to see it just get better and better. I do believe stronger talent will tryout especially now that Shannon Smith is the Hofstra head coach. This will be a draw for girls that want to play D1 and stay local. Although she is not our coach, she did oversee the team and knows all of their names.


Thank you. Sounds like the right place to be. Solid organization, not too big, team with nice families, talented girls, without too much drama. Hope to join the group, and look forward to meeting everyone, cheering the girls on, and watching them compete!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/02/12 11:10 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My daughter does play for the 2017 Black team and it really was a nice experience for us. We would be happy to have your daughter. Nice girls and families. No drama. Just a nice organization that we are now loyal to and would love to see it just get better and better. I do believe stronger talent will tryout especially now that Shannon Smith is the Hofstra head coach. This will be a draw for girls that want to play D1 and stay local. Although she is not our coach, she did oversee the team and knows all of their names.


Thank you. Sounds like the right place to be. Solid organization, not too big, team with nice families, talented girls, without too much drama. Hope to join the group, and look forward to meeting everyone, cheering the girls on, and watching them compete!


Do you honestly believe that Top Guns is going to be better because Shannon got the Hofstra job? It's going to be the complete opposite. She will have no time for TG becasue of her commitment to Hofstra. That's the truth.

This is a great thing for Shannon. I don't agree with the decision by Hofstra and my gut tells me this could be a disaster. She is not experienced enough and is going to be way over here head. Unfortunately this is also going to be a bad thing for Top Guns because she will not be involved in the program that we all thought she would be.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/02/12 12:55 PM
It is actually a conflict of interest being a womans college head coach and having her own travel program ,having harsh thoughts about other programs,burning certain bridges only makes it difficult for recruitment , and she cannot just hand over potential scholarships soley to her own program players either.. This just becomes a mess.. great news for her to fulfill her dream as a coach , but not a smart move holding a travel team program , and certainly will have an impact on alot of her players who's parents are gonna have there Hand out looking for their big payoff. I am not a YJ or Topgun parent , just an avid reader and longtime LAX coach who has seen it all.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My daughter does play for the 2017 Black team and it really was a nice experience for us. We would be happy to have your daughter. Nice girls and families. No drama. Just a nice organization that we are now loyal to and would love to see it just get better and better. I do believe stronger talent will tryout especially now that Shannon Smith is the Hofstra head coach. This will be a draw for girls that want to play D1 and stay local. Although she is not our coach, she did oversee the team and knows all of their names.


Thank you. Sounds like the right place to be. Solid organization, not too big, team with nice families, talented girls, without too much drama. Hope to join the group, and look forward to meeting everyone, cheering the girls on, and watching them compete!


Do you honestly believe that Top Guns is going to be better because Shannon got the Hofstra job? It's going to be the complete opposite. She will have no time for TG becasue of her commitment to Hofstra. That's the truth.

This is a great thing for Shannon. I don't agree with the decision by Hofstra and my gut tells me this could be a disaster. She is not experienced enough and is going to be way over here head. Unfortunately this is also going to be a bad thing for Top Guns because she will not be involved in the program that we all thought she would be.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/02/12 01:00 PM
Top Guns will probably not change much. There will be times where Shannon's less available. She'll also have some new resources, due to the Hofstra job. Most teams are not coached by Shannon. She'll still have top quality coaches running things, and she'll oversee the program to make sure it's on the right track. There are other succesful travel programs run by college coaches, who are very involved. I think everyone's making way too big of a deal out of this, but I guess it's interesting conversation, during a slow lacrosse time period, with summer lax being over.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/02/12 01:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is actually a conflict of interest being a womans college head coach and having her own travel program
A conflict of interest arises when decisions in one area force decisions in the second. No such conflict exists. It is not as if there is a policy that you will play for Hofstra or you cannot play for the Top Guns. Your opinion sounds good on paper, but the facts are completely the opposite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
... having harsh thoughts about other programs,burning certain bridges only makes it difficult for recruitment , and she cannot just hand over potential scholarships soley to her own program players either.
Exactly how many scholarships do you think she will control this year? The current recruiting class would have been Abby Morgan's and it will be two to three years before the recruiting program will have Shannon Smith's stamp on it - short of just eliminating currently rostered players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This just becomes a mess.. great news for her to fulfill her dream as a coach , but not a smart move holding a travel team program , and certainly will have an impact on alot of her players who's parents are gonna have there Hand out looking for their big payoff.
This is certainly clearer and more carefully regulated from a compliance perspective with the NCAA than a Long Island High School coach would be when they also participate in club activities.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am not a YJ or Topgun parent , just an avid reader and longtime LAX coach who has seen it all.
That's fair. The College/Elite Program overlap is just starting to take hold in lacrosse. Expect this pattern to continue and likely accelerate in the next decade. This is yet another pattern where lacrosse is following soccer; just a decade behind.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/02/12 01:09 PM
Cage Sage - What's your opinion on how this will affect the Top Guns program?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/02/12 01:23 PM
You are all so kind to give your opinions how this is a bad decision for Hofstra and SS, but doesn't it work on boys side? Isn't Tierney a big part of team 91? Look at Maryland Elite Lacrosse Club, Denver Elite Lacrosse Club, Jim Nagle had a club team for seawolves this year and Spallina's are part owners of Team 91. Why not wait a year, see how it works out and then give your unwarranted opinions. Congratulations to SS.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/02/12 02:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are all so kind to give your opinions how this is a bad decision for Hofstra and SS, but doesn't it work on boys side? Isn't Tierney a big part of team 91? Look at Maryland Elite Lacrosse Club, Denver Elite Lacrosse Club, Jim Nagle had a club team for seawolves this year and Spallina's are part owners of Team 91. Why not wait a year, see how it works out and then give your unwarranted opinions. Congratulations to SS.


Exactly...look at the Havoc/Dune Dawgs - run by Dowling coaches!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/02/12 03:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My daughter does play for the 2017 Black team and it really was a nice experience for us. We would be happy to have your daughter. Nice girls and families. No drama. Just a nice organization that we are now loyal to and would love to see it just get better and better. I do believe stronger talent will tryout especially now that Shannon Smith is the Hofstra head coach. This will be a draw for girls that want to play D1 and stay local. Although she is not our coach, she did oversee the team and knows all of their names.


Thank you. Sounds like the right place to be. Solid organization, not too big, team with nice families, talented girls, without too much drama. Hope to join the group, and look forward to meeting everyone, cheering the girls on, and watching them compete!


Do you honestly believe that Top Guns is going to be better because Shannon got the Hofstra job? It's going to be the complete opposite. She will have no time for TG becasue of her commitment to Hofstra. That's the truth.

This is a great thing for Shannon. I don't agree with the decision by Hofstra and my gut tells me this could be a disaster. She is not experienced enough and is going to be way over here head. Unfortunately this is also going to be a bad thing for Top Guns because she will not be involved in the program that we all thought she would be.


Thank you Mike Francessa. Just remember. Opinions are like A-Holes, everyone has one and they usually stink!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/02/12 03:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are all so kind to give your opinions how this is a bad decision for Hofstra and SS, but doesn't it work on boys side? Isn't Tierney a big part of team 91? Look at Maryland Elite Lacrosse Club, Denver Elite Lacrosse Club, Jim Nagle had a club team for seawolves this year and Spallina's are part owners of Team 91. Why not wait a year, see how it works out and then give your unwarranted opinions. Congratulations to SS.


Tierney coaches his son's team, he is not an owner or director of 91.
MELC is run by a HS Coach.
Denver Elite is run by the University of Denver Staff. All of these coaches have years of experience running teams and did not just graduate college.
LI Wolves is run by Nagle - once again a coach with extensive experience.
Team 91 is not owned by Joe Spallina. He coaches his kids team. It is owned by Brian Spallina who has no association with Stony Brook University.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/02/12 03:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are all so kind to give your opinions how this is a bad decision for Hofstra and SS, but doesn't it work on boys side? Isn't Tierney a big part of team 91? Look at Maryland Elite Lacrosse Club, Denver Elite Lacrosse Club, Jim Nagle had a club team for seawolves this year and Spallina's are part owners of Team 91. Why not wait a year, see how it works out and then give your unwarranted opinions. Congratulations to SS.


Tierney coaches his son's team, he is not an owner or director of 91.
MELC is run by a HS Coach.
Denver Elite is run by the University of Denver Staff. All of these coaches have years of experience running teams and did not just graduate college.
LI Wolves is run by Nagle - once again a coach with extensive experience.
Team 91 is not owned by Joe Spallina. He coaches his kids team. It is owned by Brian Spallina who has no association with Stony Brook University.


Is that you again Mike? We got it. Now let's see how it goes. I challenge you to come on here and retract your doomsday opinion when it all works out. We rarely see the apologies with the same exuberance as the lynch mob.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/02/12 05:52 PM
"Tom Gravante, Head Coach of Mount St. Mary’s Men’s Lacrosse, serves as our Director of Coaches. As the Director and Men's Head Coach at Mount St. Mary's University (1993-present)."MELC website

"Denver Elite Lacrosse is a lacrosse club program run out of the University of Denver by Bill Tierney, Trevor Tierney and Matt Brown." DELC website.....TG has more than SS on staff

Check your facts. Stop being such haters and wish her good luck. Obviously, it can be done without hurting the organization. That was my point JACKASS!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/02/12 07:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Tom Gravante, Head Coach of Mount St. Mary’s Men’s Lacrosse, serves as our Director of Coaches. As the Director and Men's Head Coach at Mount St. Mary's University (1993-present)."MELC website

"Denver Elite Lacrosse is a lacrosse club program run out of the University of Denver by Bill Tierney, Trevor Tierney and Matt Brown." DELC website.....TG has more than SS on staff

Check your facts. Stop being such haters and wish her good luck. Obviously, it can be done without hurting the organization. That was my point JACKASS!


Was a good post until you stooped to name calling at the end. Cmon...you are better than that and I agree SS will do great cause she is a strong woman and failure is not in her vocabulary. Please don't stoop to the level others do on other club threads, TGs don't do that. Thanks
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/02/12 08:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cage Sage - What's your opinion on how this will affect the Top Guns program?
Let me answer this question with another question.

There are plenty of "professional lacrosse coaches" that have other jobs. Whether a school teacher who augments their salary through club or High School coaching or a business man who runs an elite program during the summer, the individual balances both careers/roles. Do their "main jobs" impact their club programs?

There is nothing here that immediately suggests any impact to the Top Guns program. In fact, one could argue that Coach Smith's Long Island residency during the 30-weeks of class sessions will actually augment the Top Guns program.

Could the talent from the Top Guns have a pipeline from club ball into Hofstra's program? Certainly.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/02/12 08:58 PM
Great answer. It's been done many, many times, especially in the soccer world, as I think you mentioned before...Thanks for your take on it Cage Sage!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/03/12 03:20 AM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cage Sage - What's your opinion on how this will affect the Top Guns program?
Let me answer this question with another question.

There are plenty of "professional lacrosse coaches" that have other jobs. Whether a school teacher who augments their salary through club or High School coaching or a business man who runs an elite program during the summer, the individual balances both careers/roles. Do their "main jobs" impact their club programs?

There is nothing here that immediately suggests any impact to the Top Guns program. In fact, one could argue that Coach Smith's Long Island residency during the 30-weeks of class sessions will actually augment the Top Guns program.

Could the talent from the Top Guns have a pipeline from club ball into Hofstra's program? Certainly.


As a very proud yellow jacket parent, let me just say that I wish Smith the best of luck at Hofstra. I think it's great that long island has some really good choices for people that want to stay local. And I honestly believe that she will draw some good athletes to Hofstra. I teach my kids that when someone is knocking someone else down it's usually only to make themselves look better...I think that pertains to both sides here. Can we all grow up a little and show the kids that read these boards, and they do, what is really important here. Best of luck to Smith at Hofstra!

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/03/12 04:23 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cage Sage - What's your opinion on how this will affect the Top Guns program?
Let me answer this question with another question.

There are plenty of "professional lacrosse coaches" that have other jobs. Whether a school teacher who augments their salary through club or High School coaching or a business man who runs an elite program during the summer, the individual balances both careers/roles. Do their "main jobs" impact their club programs?

There is nothing here that immediately suggests any impact to the Top Guns program. In fact, one could argue that Coach Smith's Long Island residency during the 30-weeks of class sessions will actually augment the Top Guns program.

Could the talent from the Top Guns have a pipeline from club ball into Hofstra's program? Certainly.


As a very proud yellow jacket parent, let me just say that I wish Smith the best of luck at Hofstra. I think it's great that long island has some really good choices for people that want to stay local. And I honestly believe that she will draw some good athletes to Hofstra. I teach my kids that when someone is knocking someone else down it's usually only to make themselves look better...I think that pertains to both sides here. Can we all grow up a little and show the kids that read these boards, and they do, what is really important here. Best of luck to Smith at Hofstra!



As a TG parent I love your post and agree whole heartedly. Hope the rest can do the same.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/03/12 07:18 PM
I'm new to the travel lax world. Just wondering does Top Guns start for girls entering fifth grade or do they have a little Guns developmental program also. Thank you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/06/12 01:40 AM
I too am a TG parent and really appreciate your comment. When it comes down to it, we really need to be positive role models for the girls that read these posts and realize that both clubs have some great athletes. One day, girls from both clubs can turn out being teammates in HS or in college.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/06/12 01:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm new to the travel lax world. Just wondering does Top Guns start for girls entering fifth grade or do they have a little Guns developmental program also. Thank you.
Yes it does start with girls going into 5th grade, but they typically have a handful of younger kids who tryout and make the team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/06/12 11:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm new to the travel lax world. Just wondering does Top Guns start for girls entering fifth grade or do they have a little Guns developmental program also. Thank you.
Yes it does start with girls going into 5th grade, but they typically have a handful of younger kids who tryout and make the team.


Close but not quite, try outs for this club are just after summer travel ends in august, within the next week or two in fact. The youngest team they host are girls going into 6th grade, 2019 this past summer as an example. But girls going into 5th tryout and by summer tournament time they are going into 6th. And yes they typically have a few girls playing up a year only to fall into the proper age group the following year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/06/12 11:45 PM
How many spots are available on 2015 black? purple? Last year tryouts were horrible and a total waste of time. Will it be the same this year or will kids actually get a chance to play?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/07/12 12:09 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many spots are available on 2015 black? purple? Last year tryouts were horrible and a total waste of time. Will it be the same this year or will kids actually get a chance to play?
Shouldn't every spot be available? Doesn't every girl have to really try out or are spots guaranteed to past players? If only certain spots are up will there be a posting as to what positions are in play ? My daughter is a goalie will she be given a fair chance or are they just taking peoples money?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/07/12 03:49 PM
very little movement and then people can also refuse to move if chosen
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/07/12 08:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many spots are available on 2015 black? purple? Last year tryouts were horrible and a total waste of time. Will it be the same this year or will kids actually get a chance to play?

WOW this is the same post on the Yellow Jackets? Just added Black and Purple.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/07/12 08:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many spots are available on 2015 black? purple? Last year tryouts were horrible and a total waste of time. Will it be the same this year or will kids actually get a chance to play?


You know this exact comment is on the YJ thread as well. Interesting. There is movement on the Top Guns 2015 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/08/12 12:04 AM
This summer's 2019 teams had 2020 girls playing. The 2019 will move up (if pass tryouts) and the 2020 will become the newer team (after tryouts)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/08/12 01:48 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many spots are available on 2015 black? purple? Last year tryouts were horrible and a total waste of time. Will it be the same this year or will kids actually get a chance to play?


You know this exact comment is on the YJ thread as well. Interesting. There is move ent on the Top Guns 2015 team.


I posted the question here. I did not post it on the YJ thread. (Seems someone looking to start trouble on the YJ thread.) I am just looking for some information and I still don't think the question was answered. The way I am reading it is that there is movement but you don't have to move? Can someone please explain?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/08/12 03:41 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many spots are available on 2015 black? purple? Last year tryouts were horrible and a total waste of time. Will it be the same this year or will kids actually get a chance to play?


You know this exact comment is on the YJ thread as well. Interesting. There is move ent on the Top Guns 2015 team.


I posted the question here. I did not post it on the YJ thread. (Seems someone looking to start trouble on the YJ thread.) I am just looking for some information and I still don't think the question was answered. The way I am reading it is that there is movement but you don't have to move? Can someone please explain?


What's the question?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/08/12 01:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many spots are available on 2015 black? purple? Last year tryouts were horrible and a total waste of time. Will it be the same this year or will kids actually get a chance to play?


You know this exact comment is on the YJ thread as well. Interesting. There is move ent on the Top Guns 2015 team.


I posted the question here. I did not post it on the YJ thread. (Seems someone looking to start trouble on the YJ thread.) I am just looking for some information and I still don't think the question was answered. The way I am reading it is that there is movement but you don't have to move? Can someone please explain?


What's the question?


How many spots are available on 2015 black? Purple? Just follow the thread! Last year was a waste of time with teams already chosen. Is it worth it this year? Not bashing just asking
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/08/12 01:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This summer's 2019 teams had 2020 girls playing. The 2019 will move up (if pass tryouts) and the 2020 will become the newer team (after tryouts)


Don't bet on it, A select few will get to choose what team they play on.
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/08/12 01:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

I posted the question here. I did not post it on the YJ thread. (Seems someone looking to start trouble on the YJ thread.) I am just looking for some information and I still don't think the question was answered. The way I am reading it is that there is movement but you don't have to move? Can someone please explain?


My two cents is, and this goes for any team in any club, that there is always room for more talent. If the tryers-out are at the same level as last year's members then they won't get a spot because there's nothing to gain and a little to lose in terms of team solidarity and gel. If the tryers-out are more skilled and have something the team needs, they earn a spot on the team.

My theory doesn't account for political connections, nor for a talented girl with baggage (aka parents with demands). Either of those situations will factor in as well.

Your mileage may vary, take what I say with a grain of salt because I've never run a tryout or had to make the picks. But I've had several kids go through the process for many years, across sports, and that's they way I've seen it play out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/08/12 01:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many spots are available on 2015 black? purple? Last year tryouts were horrible and a total waste of time. Will it be the same this year or will kids actually get a chance to play?


I have to believe that if an unknown "great" player showed up for the tryout she would be offered a spot, I think the push this year is to beat the Maryland teams, you can't accomplish that if you don't take the best players. For Black team players on the bubble a move to purple is a definite possibility, For Purple team players on the bubble...I'm not sure what they will do, I would not like to them add another color team, as we've seen what a mess that creates.
yeah I know about politics..but how many people are really that hooked up?
at the end of the day it's a business and businesses make money, and successful (winning teams) make the most money
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/08/12 02:23 PM
I have posted this tought before on tryouts. There are no spots open on any of the black teams unless a player decides to leave, all new tryout players as well as purple team players are gunning to take someone's position. So in effect they are competing against existing players. Here is where parents get funny. First parents have parent goggles on, that aside it is hard to get a good sense of a player purely from a tryout. A kid can light it up on all the skill drill stations then get to scrimmage and never touch ball. You also have many kids who may not skill drill well but put them in a real game and they become beasts. And I see kids that practice and drill well, dissappear come game time. Existing players are known quantities, tryout kids are a gamble so unless someone is just head and shoulders above, its barely worth the risk of a mild upgrade that may not work out. Parents of the kids are a known quantity as well so the risk is also there picking up nightmare parents. So to sum it up, there will always be room for stud players on any team and any club for that matter, marginal upgrades will likely be passed on because they are a risk and they dont want to upset team by showing no loyalty to players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/08/12 04:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many spots are available on 2015 black? purple? Last year tryouts were horrible and a total waste of time. Will it be the same this year or will kids actually get a chance to play?


I have to believe that if an unknown "great" player showed up for the tryout she would be offered a spot, I think the push this year is to beat the Maryland teams, you can't accomplish that if you don't take the best players. For Black team players on the bubble a move to purple is a definite possibility, For Purple team players on the bubble...I'm not sure what they will do, I would not like to them add another color team, as we've seen what a mess that creates.
yeah I know about politics..but how many people are really that hooked up?
at the end of the day it's a business and businesses make money, and successful (winning teams) make the most money

What mess have you seen adding another team creates.Why would adding a team for the less accomplished players have to create problems so long as there are enough interested players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/08/12 06:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many spots are available on 2015 black? purple? Last year tryouts were horrible and a total waste of time. Will it be the same this year or will kids actually get a chance to play?


I have to believe that if an unknown "great" player showed up for the tryout she would be offered a spot, I think the push this year is to beat the Maryland teams, you can't accomplish that if you don't take the best players. For Black team players on the bubble a move to purple is a definite possibility, For Purple team players on the bubble...I'm not sure what they will do, I would not like to them add another color team, as we've seen what a mess that creates.
yeah I know about politics..but how many people are really that hooked up?
at the end of the day it's a business and businesses make money, and successful (winning teams) make the most money

What mess have you seen adding another team creates.Why would adding a team for the less accomplished players have to create problems so long as there are enough interested players.


I am a fan of a 2 team system Call it A and B, Black and Purple, whatever, when you start adding more than that the brand gets diluted. In my perfect world (remember this is my opinion) the A team roster is a little smaller more playing time for each kid, less substitutions etc. and the B team roster is a little larger more developmental to see where the cream rises to the top, the top B team players would fill in the A team roster at tournaments due to injury or availability etc. what is the value to player (and parents) of being on the C or D team, is the quality of coaches there? Are the club directors involved in their development? Or is it about money? That’s the mess as I see it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/08/12 10:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many spots are available on 2015 black? purple? Last year tryouts were horrible and a total waste of time. Will it be the same this year or will kids actually get a chance to play?


I have to believe that if an unknown "great" player showed up for the tryout she would be offered a spot, I think the push this year is to beat the Maryland teams, you can't accomplish that if you don't take the best players. For Black team players on the bubble a move to purple is a definite possibility, For Purple team players on the bubble...I'm not sure what they will do, I would not like to them add another color team, as we've seen what a mess that creates.
yeah I know about politics..but how many people are really that hooked up?
at the end of the day it's a business and businesses make money, and successful (winning teams) make the most money

What mess have you seen adding another team creates.Why would adding a team for the less accomplished players have to create problems so long as there are enough interested players.


I am a fan of a 2 team system Call it A and B, Black and Purple, whatever, when you start adding more than that the brand gets diluted. In my perfect world (remember this is my opinion) the A team roster is a little smaller more playing time for each kid, less substitutions etc. and the B team roster is a little larger more developmental to see where the cream rises to the top, the top B team players would fill in the A team roster at tournaments due to injury or availability etc. what is the value to player (and parents) of being on the C or D team, is the quality of coaches there? Are the club directors involved in their development? Or is it about money? That’s the mess as I see it.



I am also a fan of keeping it to 2 teams, however I think players should not be "called up" to the A team on a temporary basis to fill in at a tournament, that's not fair to a solid B team that looses it top players whenever the A team needs a boost. B teams that are built to be solid teams should stay intact for the season and let adjustments be made at tryouts the following year, if no conflict with schedules, by all means bring them up for the challenge, otherwise treating B teams as a practice squad just reinforces the second class citizen feeling that is inherent with being a clubs b team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/09/12 07:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This summer's 2019 teams had 2020 girls playing. The 2019 will move up (if pass tryouts) and the 2020 will become the newer team (after tryouts)


Don't bet on it, A select few will get to choose what team they play on.


That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/10/12 12:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This summer's 2019 teams had 2020 girls playing. The 2019 will move up (if pass tryouts) and the 2020 will become the newer team (after tryouts)


Don't bet on it, A select few will get to choose what team they play on.


That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".


Top Guns, Will put their players in their correct age group. They will NOT push a players up or down to build up a team. That is fact.
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/10/12 02:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".


In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/10/12 03:35 PM



We've been with TG for a few years and I must say that the behavior of some coaches has gotten worse. This year I was dissapointed to see one of the coaches from a younger TG tteam on the sidlines sitting in a chair with his feet up drinking beer out of a plastic cup like he was at a Jet/Giant game. Then to watch him stagger over to the next game to watch his sisters next game was sad. I hope this get addressed at next years team orientation.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/10/12 04:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We've been with TG for a few years and I must say that the behavior of some coaches has gotten worse. This year I was dissapointed to see one of the coaches from a younger TG tteam on the sidlines sitting in a chair with his feet up drinking beer out of a plastic cup like he was at a Jet/Giant game. Then to watch him stagger over to the next game to watch his sisters next game was sad. I hope this get addressed at next years team orientation.
Name the age group and/or the team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/10/12 04:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous



We've been with TG for a few years and I must say that the behavior of some coaches has gotten worse. This year I was dissapointed to see one of the coaches from a younger TG tteam on the sidlines sitting in a chair with his feet up drinking beer out of a plastic cup like he was at a Jet/Giant game. Then to watch him stagger over to the next game to watch his sisters next game was sad. I hope this get addressed at next years team orientation.


Calling BS on this one. A near identical post is on the YJ thread naming a parent instead. Someone stirring the pot. This is a serious allegation aimed at a coach. Can you identify this poster Cage? This type of post serves no purpose and is seemingly from the same person. Help the community stop these type of posts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/10/12 04:42 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We've been with TG for a few years and I must say that the behavior of some coaches has gotten worse. This year I was dissapointed to see one of the coaches from a younger TG tteam on the sidlines sitting in a chair with his feet up drinking beer out of a plastic cup like he was at a Jet/Giant game. Then to watch him stagger over to the next game to watch his sisters next game was sad. I hope this get addressed at next years team orientation.
Name the age group and/or the team.


This post is on the YJ thread.
"We've been with YJ for a few years and I must say that the behavior of some parents has gotten worse. This year I was dissapointed to see one of the mothers from a younger YJ team on the sidlines sitting in a chair with her feet up drinking beer out of a plastic cup like she was at a Jet/Giant game. Then to watch her stagger over to the next field to watch her daughters next game was sad. I hope this get addressed at next years team orientation."

Cmon....anyone agree this is the same person starting S@&T. This persons kids must be charming. Some people shouldn't be allowed to procreate!
Posted By: CageSage Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/10/12 04:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Calling BS on this one. A near identical post is on the YJ thread naming a parent instead. Someone stirring the pot. This is a serious allegation aimed at a coach. Can you identify this poster Cage? This type of post serves no purpose and is seemingly from the same person. Help the community stop these type of posts.
There are two unique posters and one copied from the other and changed the team references. BOTC will handle this one - thanks for the catch.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/10/12 05:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This summer's 2019 teams had 2020 girls playing. The 2019 will move up (if pass tryouts) and the 2020 will become the newer team (after tryouts)


Don't bet on it, A select few will get to choose what team they play on.


That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".


Top Guns, Will put their players in their correct age group. They will NOT push a players up or down to build up a team. That is fact.

How many 2020's are on the 2019 team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/10/12 07:32 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Calling BS on this one. A near identical post is on the YJ thread naming a parent instead. Someone stirring the pot. This is a serious allegation aimed at a coach. Can you identify this poster Cage? This type of post serves no purpose and is seemingly from the same person. Help the community stop these type of posts.
There are two unique posters and one copied from the other and changed the team references. BOTC will handle this one - thanks for the catch.


The same thing happened last week. I posted a question on TG about 2015 available spots. It was copied almost exactly on YJ thread. We have a copy cat on our hands!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/10/12 10:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This summer's 2019 teams had 2020 girls playing. The 2019 will move up (if pass tryouts) and the 2020 will become the newer team (after tryouts)


Don't bet on it, A select few will get to choose what team they play on.


That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".


Top Guns, Will put their players in their correct age group. They will NOT push a players up or down to build up a team. That is fact.

How many 2020's are on the 2019 team?


There were 6 or 7 2020 girls on the 2019 team. I know at least some of the parents of the 2020 girls are not expecting their daughters to move up with the 2019 but I do not think that it the case for all of them!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/10/12 10:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This summer's 2019 teams had 2020 girls playing. The 2019 will move up (if pass tryouts) and the 2020 will become the newer team (after tryouts)


Don't bet on it, A select few will get to choose what team they play on.


That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".


Top Guns, Will put their players in their correct age group. They will NOT push a players up or down to build up a team. That is fact.

How many 2020's are on the 2019 team?


There were 5 or 6 girls playing up on 2019 this past summer, all will be dropping to 2020 for next summer as it is the first year TG offer a team for that age group. I am certain there will be about the same number of 2021's playing with 2020's for next summer. YJ have an advantage over TG as they offer teams for girls at a younger age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/11/12 03:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This summer's 2019 teams had 2020 girls playing. The 2019 will move up (if pass tryouts) and the 2020 will become the newer team (after tryouts)


Don't bet on it, A select few will get to choose what team they play on.


That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".


Top Guns, Will put their players in their correct age group. They will NOT push a players up or down to build up a team. That is fact.

How many 2020's are on the 2019 team?


There were 5 or 6 girls playing up on 2019 this past summer, all will be dropping to 2020 for next summer as it is the first year TG offer a team for that age group. I am certain there will be about the same number of 2021's playing with 2020's for next summer. YJ have an advantage over TG as they offer teams for girls at a younger age.

What's the advantage? They have no teams there age to play, most tournaments start with girls going into 7th grade, so even the 2019's played up more than half of there games, 2020's were sheep to the slaughter when they left LI for a tournament against 2018/2019 teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/11/12 04:46 PM
YJ's are starting a todler program, TG's are way behind
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/11/12 05:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]This summer's 2019 teams had 2020 girls playing. The 2019 will move up (if pass tryouts) and the 2020 will become the newer team (after tryouts)


Don't bet on it, A select few will get to choose what team they play on.


That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".


Top Guns, Will put their players in their correct age group. They will NOT push a players up or down to build up a team. That is fact.

How many 2020's are on the 2019 team?


There were 5 or 6 girls playing up on 2019 this past summer, all will be dropping to 2020 for next summer as it is the first year TG offer a team for that age group. I am certain there will be about the same number of 2021's playing with 2020's for next summer. YJ have an advantage over TG as they offer teams for girls at a younger age.


Another advantage for the YJ is they offer the Hornets developmental program for girls grade 2 and grade 3. If you get them in your program at a younger age they are likely to make friends there and not want to leave for another club.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/11/12 08:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What's the advantage? They have no teams there age to play, most tournaments start with girls going into 7th grade, so even the 2019's played up more than half of there games, 2020's were sheep to the slaughter when they left LI for a tournament against 2018/2019 teams


The advantage is the girls are hooked earlier into a club. The young teams only go to a couple travel tournaments and mostly play each other anyway. But girls in the 3rd, 4th and even fifth grade are welcomed into the world of pay to play by yj where that is not an option with many other clubs. Parents and kids who are [lacrosse] bent to play will go to yj and likely stay there once they are in, thus the advantage.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/12/12 01:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What's the advantage? They have no teams there age to play, most tournaments start with girls going into 7th grade, so even the 2019's played up more than half of there games, 2020's were sheep to the slaughter when they left LI for a tournament against 2018/2019 teams


The advantage is the girls are hooked earlier into a club. The young teams only go to a couple travel tournaments and mostly play each other anyway. But girls in the 3rd, 4th and even fifth grade are welcomed into the world of pay to play by yj where that is not an option with many other clubs. Parents and kids who are [lacrosse] bent to play will go to yj and likely stay there once they are in, thus the advantage.




This post doesn't even make sense! There were plenty of 2019 teams from all over that they were able to play! Plus the 2019 Black team did VERY well against all the 2018 teams that they played! It was no issue for the 2019 or 2020 girls.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/12/12 02:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What's the advantage? They have no teams there age to play, most tournaments start with girls going into 7th grade, so even the 2019's played up more than half of there games, 2020's were sheep to the slaughter when they left LI for a tournament against 2018/2019 teams


The advantage is the girls are hooked earlier into a club. The young teams only go to a couple travel tournaments and mostly play each other anyway. But girls in the 3rd, 4th and even fifth grade are welcomed into the world of pay to play by yj where that is not an option with many other clubs. Parents and kids who are [lacrosse] bent to play will go to yj and likely stay there once they are in, thus the advantage.


This poster is simply saying that if they matriculated younger kids that have no other options at the younger ages they will most likely stay with the club for the duration. This post is seems to be accurate and as the kids seeking travel play become younger and younger I anticipate teams forming for them from all clubs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/12/12 03:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What's the advantage? They have no teams there age to play, most tournaments start with girls going into 7th grade, so even the 2019's played up more than half of there games, 2020's were sheep to the slaughter when they left LI for a tournament against 2018/2019 teams


The advantage is the girls are hooked earlier into a club. The young teams only go to a couple travel tournaments and mostly play each other anyway. But girls in the 3rd, 4th and even fifth grade are welcomed into the world of pay to play by yj where that is not an option with many other clubs. Parents and kids who are [lacrosse] bent to play will go to yj and likely stay there once they are in, thus the advantage.




This post doesn't even make sense! There were plenty of 2019 teams from all over that they were able to play! Plus the 2019 Black team did VERY well against all the 2018 teams that they played! It was no issue for the 2019 or 2020 girls.

the reference was regarding the yj 2020 teams that were a waste of time and most parents of those kids would agree - they had know idea that they would be traveling to play themselves or get humiliated by 2018 and 2019 teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/12/12 05:56 PM
yes they did. it's all about meeting new girls, and establishing themselves
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/12/12 07:24 PM
The top 2020 YJ was competitive the other 2 teams not so much. It looked like these girls enjoyed themselves and I'm sure most of the will want to play again. This season won't be a waste for the YJ if these girls return and have a little experience under their belts for next season.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/12/12 08:03 PM
I personally know several people who were not happy about the way the entire season played out, will they leave? doubtful, but they will be paying much closer attention to the teams and how they're run in the 2013 season - yes. the yj 2020 teams looked like poorly coached PAL teams, an after thought for the club and financial subsidy for the older teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/12/12 08:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yes they did. it's all about meeting new girls, and establishing themselves

Then they should have stayed on LI and played all the local tournaments
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/12/12 09:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The top 2020 YJ was competitive the other 2 teams not so much. It looked like these girls enjoyed themselves and I'm sure most of the will want to play again. This season won't be a waste for the YJ if these girls return and have a little experience under their belts for next season.


kids didnt have a clue, its all about parents egos
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/12/12 11:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What's the advantage? They have no teams there age to play, most tournaments start with girls going into 7th grade, so even the 2019's played up more than half of there games, 2020's were sheep to the slaughter when they left LI for a tournament against 2018/2019 teams


The advantage is the girls are hooked earlier into a club. The young teams only go to a couple travel tournaments and mostly play each other anyway. But girls in the 3rd, 4th and even fifth grade are welcomed into the world of pay to play by yj where that is not an option with many other clubs. Parents and kids who are [lacrosse] bent to play will go to yj and likely stay there once they are in, thus the advantage.




This post doesn't even make sense! There were plenty of 2019 teams from all over that they were able to play! Plus the 2019 Black team did VERY well against all the 2018 teams that they played! It was no issue for the 2019 or 2020 girls.

the reference was regarding the yj 2020 teams that were a waste of time and most parents of those kids would agree - they had know idea that they would be traveling to play themselves or get humiliated by 2018 and 2019 teams


Curious , how many tournaments did your 2018 TG team win,for that matter how many tournaments did your self proclaimed greatest team ever assembled 2019 team win.Cannot wait to see the connected few get to pick which age they want to play.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/13/12 02:41 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What's the advantage? They have no teams there age to play, most tournaments start with girls going into 7th grade, so even the 2019's played up more than half of there games, 2020's were sheep to the slaughter when they left LI for a tournament against 2018/2019 teams


The advantage is the girls are hooked earlier into a club. The young teams only go to a couple travel tournaments and mostly play each other anyway. But girls in the 3rd, 4th and even fifth grade are welcomed into the world of pay to play by yj where that is not an option with many other clubs. Parents and kids who are [lacrosse] bent to play will go to yj and likely stay there once they are in, thus the advantage.




This post doesn't even make sense! There were plenty of 2019 teams from all over that they were able to play! Plus the 2019 Black team did VERY well against all the 2018 teams that they played! It was no issue for the 2019 or 2020 girls.

the reference was regarding the yj 2020 teams that were a waste of time and most parents of those kids would agree - they had know idea that they would be traveling to play themselves or get humiliated by 2018 and 2019 teams


Curious , how many tournaments did your 2018 TG team win,for that matter how many tournaments did your self proclaimed greatest team ever assembled 2019 team win.Cannot wait to see the connected few get to pick which age they want to play.


2018? 2019? 12 and 11 year olds right? Don't know exactly about the wins but how does it feel to be known as an obnoxious egotistical parent who concentrates only on winning at all costs for 11 and 12 year olds? The entire lax world sees your club in this light. That must feel great having to make excuses like...that's cause we win and look at our college commit list etc.....no it's because you simply are what everyone says...just listen...from NY to NJ to VA to MD. You are classless. Good luck!

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/13/12 12:33 PM
2018? 2019? 12 and 11 year olds right? Don't know exactly about the wins but how does it feel to be known as an obnoxious egotistical parent who concentrates only on winning at all costs for 11 and 12 year olds? The entire lax world sees your club in this light. That must feel great having to make excuses like...that's cause we win and look at our college commit list etc.....no it's because you simply are what everyone says...just listen...from NY to NJ to VA to MD. You are classless.

Funny thing the only people talking about the level of competition of the younger teams in a negative way were your TG parents. To he person going after the younger YJ coaches anytime you feel like comparing bios of your younger TG coaches feel free. I read your youngest teams head coach bio on your website, you could not even make up enough stuff to make it seem they have any business coaching girls lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/13/12 03:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What's the advantage? They have no teams there age to play, most tournaments start with girls going into 7th grade, so even the 2019's played up more than half of there games, 2020's were sheep to the slaughter when they left LI for a tournament against 2018/2019 teams


The advantage is the girls are hooked earlier into a club. The young teams only go to a couple travel tournaments and mostly play each other anyway. But girls in the 3rd, 4th and even fifth grade are welcomed into the world of pay to play by yj where that is not an option with many other clubs. Parents and kids who are [lacrosse] bent to play will go to yj and likely stay there once they are in, thus the advantage.




This post doesn't even make sense! There were plenty of 2019 teams from all over that they were able to play! Plus the 2019 Black team did VERY well against all the 2018 teams that they played! It was no issue for the 2019 or 2020 girls.

the reference was regarding the yj 2020 teams that were a waste of time and most parents of those kids would agree - they had know idea that they would be traveling to play themselves or get humiliated by 2018 and 2019 teams


Curious , how many tournaments did your 2018 TG team win,for that matter how many tournaments did your self proclaimed greatest team ever assembled 2019 team win.Cannot wait to see the connected few get to pick which age they want to play.


I have seen both these teams play and they are both very good. Best of the age groups? Who knows who cares. I think I heard 2018 only lost a single, close game all year, and the 2019s only lost a hanful. I also follow this thread and the self proclaimed thing actually came from posts from other people saying the 2019 parents think this and that. Now your spinning it to suit your needs. If that's what you need to do to stir the pot, have fun. Don't you have anything better to do today?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/13/12 08:31 PM
Wheres the animosity everyone keeps talking about?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/13/12 11:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wheres the animosity everyone keeps talking about?


That's over on the YJ thread. It breeds over there! Along with denial and obnoxiousness!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/14/12 12:34 AM
No. I believe all the hatred comes from uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/14/12 01:36 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018? 2019? 12 and 11 year olds right? Don't know exactly about the wins but how does it feel to be known as an obnoxious egotistical parent who concentrates only on winning at all costs for 11 and 12 year olds? The entire lax world sees your club in this light. That must feel great having to make excuses like...that's cause we win and look at our college commit list etc.....no it's because you simply are what everyone says...just listen...from NY to NJ to VA to MD. You are classless.

Funny thing the only people talking about the level of competition of the younger teams in a negative way were your TG parents. To he person going after the younger YJ coaches anytime you feel like comparing bios of your younger TG coaches feel free. I read your youngest teams head coach bio on your website, you could not even make up enough stuff to make it seem they have any business coaching girls lacrosse.


Go look on your own thread parents are throwing YJ coaches under the bus left and right - 2020's, 2017's, 2015's and on and on - more complaints then I can count. The 2019 TG team was 28-2 over the summer, only loses coming to 2018 teams in playoffs, other than that there were three or four other games that were competitive and the rest were all double digit blowouts - it got to the point where the girls played left handed for the second half of most games! All you YJ parents have bought into the mindset of if we put the yj uniform on we will all be great and win every game we play because we're the YJ - guess what it doesn't work like that, but keep writing checks (they would like to have 100 girls registered for each age group) and maybe some day your daughter will be able to catch and throw with the players...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/14/12 02:23 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What's the advantage? They have no teams there age to play, most tournaments start with girls going into 7th grade, so even the 2019's played up more than half of there games, 2020's were sheep to the slaughter when they left LI for a tournament against 2018/2019 teams


The advantage is the girls are hooked earlier into a club. The young teams only go to a couple travel tournaments and mostly play each other anyway. But girls in the 3rd, 4th and even fifth grade are welcomed into the world of pay to play by yj where that is not an option with many other clubs. Parents and kids who are [lacrosse] bent to play will go to yj and likely stay there once they are in, thus the advantage.




This post doesn't even make sense! There were plenty of 2019 teams from all over that they were able to play! Plus the 2019 Black team did VERY well against all the 2018 teams that they played! It was no issue for the 2019 or 2020 girls.

the reference was regarding the yj 2020 teams that were a waste of time and most parents of those kids would agree - they had know idea that they would be traveling to play themselves or get humiliated by 2018 and 2019 teams


Curious , how many tournaments did your 2018 TG team win,for that matter how many tournaments did your self proclaimed greatest team ever assembled 2019 team win.Cannot wait to see the connected few get to pick which age they want to play.


I have seen both these teams play and they are both very good. Best of the age groups? Who knows who cares. I think I heard 2018 only lost a single, close game all year, and the 2019s only lost a hanful. I also follow this thread and the self proclaimed thing actually came from posts from other people saying the 2019 parents think this and that. Now your spinning it to suit your needs. If that's what you need to do to stir the pot, have fun. Don't you have anything better to do today?


The answer to your question is no chance.They have both lost to teams their own age and 2018 has never beaten YJ 2018 and have played multiple times.No YJ 2018 is not the best in this age group either.Actually according to your own 2019 parents they would beat your own 2018 team. MD clearly better then your LI teams in all age groups.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/14/12 01:02 PM
Stop with the 2019 would win vs 2018TG, the game would not be very close, the teams have about equal talent for their age and one year is a big difference
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/14/12 04:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stop with the 2019 would win vs 2018TG, the game would not be very close, the teams have about equal talent for their age and one year is a big difference


Why don't you all shut up with the who beat who crap. Teach yourselves some sportsmanship and class then pass it to your girls. Don't let he YJ posters bring TGs down to their level. They have their own thread for that. IGNORE THEIR POSTS. That's how you get rid of pests! Lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/14/12 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stop with the 2019 would win vs 2018TG, the game would not be very close, the teams have about equal talent for their age and one year is a big difference


Why don't you all shut up with the who beat who crap. Teach yourselves some sportsmanship and class then pass it to your girls. Don't let he YJ posters bring TGs down to their level. They have their own thread for that. IGNORE THEIR POSTS. That's how you get rid of pests! Lol


you're kidding, right? get off your high horse, don't pretend for a minute that it's not a tg parent posting on yj thread.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/14/12 09:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stop with the 2019 would win vs 2018TG, the game would not be very close, the teams have about equal talent for their age and one year is a big difference


Why don't you all shut up with the who beat who crap. Teach yourselves some sportsmanship and class then pass it to your girls. Don't let he YJ posters bring TGs down to their level. They have their own thread for that. IGNORE THEIR POSTS. That's how you get rid of pests! Lol


Isn't that the same technique you used for gum disease.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/15/12 05:13 PM
Who ever wrote this post doesn't know what they're talking about. The tg 2018 black has only played the yj 2018 1 time in the the two years the team has been together. At that, they tied the game 2-2 at the National Draw. They are equally talented teams. In addition, tg 2018 also tied Sky walkers blue at the same tournament that Skywalkers beat yj 2018. Furthermore, tg 2018 only lost the MD 2018 black by 1 goal at a tournament this past summer. They are all up there in talent.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/16/12 02:43 PM
This is the first time I have been on the BOTC and I am SHOCKED at what I have read! I can not believe this stuff is written by ADULTS! We are supposed to be the mature ones, aren't we?
-Every club has it's positives and negatives no matter where you are
-People knowing people and being "connected" is a part of life, it happens everywhere you go! so deal with it
-We as the parents of these girls choose to have our girls play where they play for a reason - because we feel it's the best place for them to be!
-All of these clubs are businesses and therefore are going to make money- you have a choice if you put your child in travel lacrosse or not. I have yet to find the free one that does it out of the kindness in their hearts!
-So, if your DAUGHTER is happy where she is, if your DAUGHTER has learned something and improved her skills and your DAUGHTER likes the girls she plays with and her coaches then good job mom & dad your daughter is in the right place for HER!!! There is NO need for us as adults to keep bashing other girls and their clubs, regardless of which club they are in.
-There are VERY talented girls on all teams from all clubs let's just be happy for them and celebrate their successes, in an adult way!!
HAPPY LAXING TO ALL THE GIRLS!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/16/12 07:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is the first time I have been on the BOTC and I am SHOCKED at what I have read! I can not believe this stuff is written by ADULTS! We are supposed to be the mature ones, aren't we?
-Every club has it's positives and negatives no matter where you are
-People knowing people and being "connected" is a part of life, it happens everywhere you go! so deal with it
-We as the parents of these girls choose to have our girls play where they play for a reason - because we feel it's the best place for them to be!
-All of these clubs are businesses and therefore are going to make money- you have a choice if you put your child in travel lacrosse or not. I have yet to find the free one that does it out of the kindness in their hearts!
-So, if your DAUGHTER is happy where she is, if your DAUGHTER has learned something and improved her skills and your DAUGHTER likes the girls she plays with and her coaches then good job mom & dad your daughter is in the right place for HER!!! There is NO need for us as adults to keep bashing other girls and their clubs, regardless of which club they are in.
-There are VERY talented girls on all teams from all clubs let's just be happy for them and celebrate their successes, in an adult way!!
HAPPY LAXING TO ALL THE GIRLS!!!
You aren't going to do well here LOL
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/17/12 04:07 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is the first time I have been on the BOTC and I am SHOCKED at what I have read! I can not believe this stuff is written by ADULTS! We are supposed to be the mature ones, aren't we?
-Every club has it's positives and negatives no matter where you are
-People knowing people and being "connected" is a part of life, it happens everywhere you go! so deal with it
-We as the parents of these girls choose to have our girls play where they play for a reason - because we feel it's the best place for them to be!
-All of these clubs are businesses and therefore are going to make money- you have a choice if you put your child in travel lacrosse or not. I have yet to find the free one that does it out of the kindness in their hearts!
-So, if your DAUGHTER is happy where she is, if your DAUGHTER has learned something and improved her skills and your DAUGHTER likes the girls she plays with and her coaches then good job mom & dad your daughter is in the right place for HER!!! There is NO need for us as adults to keep bashing other girls and their clubs, regardless of which club they are in.
-There are VERY talented girls on all teams from all clubs let's just be happy for them and celebrate their successes, in an adult way!!
HAPPY LAXING TO ALL THE GIRLS!!!
You aren't going to do well here LOL


This IS the WRONG place for eloquent cyber SHOUTING!!!!!! Lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/17/12 05:40 PM
May not bother you that kids that are connected get to pick what age and team they play on but when their decision keeps your kid off the better team it is unfair.Yes connected people get favored treatment in most aspects of life but it does not make it right.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/17/12 09:32 PM
By no means do I think this is OK or right! But it does happen in MANY different aspects of life! So, if you are going to continue to play on these types of teams it is something that you will continue to deal with! Right - no but part of life - yes!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/18/12 12:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
May not bother you that kids that are connected get to pick what age and team they play on but when their decision keeps your kid off the better team it is unfair.Yes connected people get favored treatment in most aspects of life but it does not make it right.



Let's be real how many kids on a team of 20-24 are really that connected? Probably 4-5 tops and that still leaves plenty of spots available for other kids! If your kid is talented enough they will make the better team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/18/12 02:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
May not bother you that kids that are connected get to pick what age and team they play on but when their decision keeps your kid off the better team it is unfair.Yes connected people get favored treatment in most aspects of life but it does not make it right.



Let's be real how many kids on a team of 20-24 are really that connected? Probably 4-5 tops and that still leaves plenty of spots available for other kids! If your kid is talented enough they will make the better team.


Let's use your number of 5 , then 5 kids who should have made the team do not.Playing with better players tends to make you a better player, so the border line top team kids who could use the this opportunity don't get the chance.You had a number of 2020 kids placed on the 2019 top team, a few of them were good enough but most had connections.These kids took the place of several 2019 kids and will now hopefully be placed in their proper age group,Apparently your kid is so good they have no worries or maybe you are one of the connected ones.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/18/12 03:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
May not bother you that kids that are connected get to pick what age and team they play on but when their decision keeps your kid off the better team it is unfair.Yes connected people get favored treatment in most aspects of life but it does not make it right.



Let's be real how many kids on a team of 20-24 are really that connected? Probably 4-5 tops and that still leaves plenty of spots available for other kids! If your kid is talented enough they will make the better team.


Let's use your number of 5 , then 5 kids who should have made the team do not.Playing with better players tends to make you a better player, so the border line top team kids who could use the this opportunity don't get the chance.You had a number of 2020 kids placed on the 2019 top team, a few of them were good enough but most had connections.These kids took the place of several 2019 kids and will now hopefully be placed in their proper age group,Apparently your kid is so good they have no worries or maybe you are one of the connected ones.




First of all my kid was not even on the 2019 team. Secondly, my kid is not connected in anyway she tried out and made her team on her own ability. I agree with you 100% that kids should play with there own age group when there is a team for their age- whatever age that is. It was obviously the clubs decision to put 2020 kids with 2019 kids so if you're that unhappy about it you should speak with them regarding how you feel! From what I heard there will be 2021 kids that play up with the 2020 girls next year. It is what it is for that one year and then the girls should play with only their own age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/18/12 03:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
May not bother you that kids that are connected get to pick what age and team they play on but when their decision keeps your kid off the better team it is unfair.Yes connected people get favored treatment in most aspects of life but it does not make it right.



Let's be real how many kids on a team of 20-24 are really that connected? Probably 4-5 tops and that still leaves plenty of spots available for other kids! If your kid is talented enough they will make the better team.


Let's use your number of 5 , then 5 kids who should have made the team do not.Playing with better players tends to make you a better player, so the border line top team kids who could use the this opportunity don't get the chance.You had a number of 2020 kids placed on the 2019 top team, a few of them were good enough but most had connections.These kids took the place of several 2019 kids and will now hopefully be placed in their proper age group,Apparently your kid is so good they have no worries or maybe you are one of the connected ones.


We got people whinning and crying and tryouts haven't even been held yet. Wait two weeks and watch how much people come on here and [lacrosse] about unfair this and that, try out fees, politics and on and on. It is what it is and its the same with every club you go, suck it up and deal with it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/18/12 04:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
May not bother you that kids that are connected get to pick what age and team they play on but when their decision keeps your kid off the better team it is unfair.Yes connected people get favored treatment in most aspects of life but it does not make it right.



Let's be real how many kids on a team of 20-24 are really that connected? Probably 4-5 tops and that still leaves plenty of spots available for other kids! If your kid is talented enough they will make the better team.


Let's use your number of 5 , then 5 kids who should have made the team do not.Playing with better players tends to make you a better player, so the border line top team kids who could use the this opportunity don't get the chance.You had a number of 2020 kids placed on the 2019 top team, a few of them were good enough but most had connections.These kids took the place of several 2019 kids and will now hopefully be placed in their proper age group,Apparently your kid is so good they have no worries or maybe you are one of the connected ones.


We got people whinning and crying and tryouts haven't even been held yet. Wait two weeks and watch how much people come on here and [lacrosse] about unfair this and that, try out fees, politics and on and on. It is what it is and its the same with every club you go, suck it up and deal with it.



You are ABSOLUTELY right about that! Stop complaining and play somewhere else if you're not happy but it is the same at all clubs!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/18/12 08:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
May not bother you that kids that are connected get to pick what age and team they play on but when their decision keeps your kid off the better team it is unfair.Yes connected people get favored treatment in most aspects of life but it does not make it right.



Let's be real how many kids on a team of 20-24 are really that connected? Probably 4-5 tops and that still leaves plenty of spots available for other kids! If your kid is talented enough they will make the better team.


Let's use your number of 5 , then 5 kids who should have made the team do not.Playing with better players tends to make you a better player, so the border line top team kids who could use the this opportunity don't get the chance.You had a number of 2020 kids placed on the 2019 top team, a few of them were good enough but most had connections.These kids took the place of several 2019 kids and will now hopefully be placed in their proper age group,Apparently your kid is so good they have no worries or maybe you are one of the connected ones.


We got people whinning and crying and tryouts haven't even been held yet. Wait two weeks and watch how much people come on here and [lacrosse] about unfair this and that, try out fees, politics and on and on. It is what it is and its the same with every club you go, suck it up and deal with it.



You are ABSOLUTELY right about that! Stop complaining and play somewhere else if you're not happy but it is the same at all clubs!!
no its not
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/19/12 06:01 PM
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".


In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.


thats false.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/19/12 11:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".


In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.


thats false.


I am familiar with most, but not all teams, as far as I know this is true. Other than younger kids playing up for the first year available, where is this happening? What age group/ team are yolu refering to? (Not that it matters anyway)
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/19/12 11:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.
thats false.

Are you still talking about 2019? Tell me where girls play up in the upper ages.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/20/12 12:15 PM
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.
thats false.

Are you still talking about 2019? Tell me where girls play up in the upper ages.


I do not think any girls play up except at the youngest group and then it's only for 1 year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/20/12 02:44 PM
Connections do help, no matter what league you’re in. I know there are a few girls on a YJ Blue team because their Uncle or their father’s friend coaches one of the older YJ teams. There are girls on the YJ Gold Team that are better than these girls, but don't have the connections to get placed on the Blue team. Unfortunately, that’s just how it is and you have to deal with it. When I was a kid (I'm 40) and played little league, it was always the coaches kid who got to pitch or play quarterback, so I don't think this will ever change.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/20/12 05:40 PM
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.
thats false.

Are you still talking about 2019? Tell me where girls play up in the upper ages.


Older kids are played up by necessity on weak teams in weak clubs. Strong clubs don't play kids up because they don't have to. If your club's playing kids up, I'd get out.

one caveat, all good clubs that I know of do allow kids to "play-up" on thier youngest age group team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/21/12 07:13 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.
thats false.

Are you still talking about 2019? Tell me where girls play up in the upper ages.


Older kids are played up by necessity on weak teams in weak clubs. Strong clubs don't play kids up because they don't have to. If your club's playing kids up, I'd get out.

one caveat, all good clubs that I know of do allow kids to "play-up" on thier youngest age group team.


Really....why does that YJ goalie play up? 2014 team. Amongst others.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/21/12 02:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.
thats false.

Are you still talking about 2019? Tell me where girls play up in the upper ages.


Older kids are played up by necessity on weak teams in weak clubs. Strong clubs don't play kids up because they don't have to. If your club's playing kids up, I'd get out.

one caveat, all good clubs that I know of do allow kids to "play-up" on thier youngest age group team.


Really....why does that YJ goalie play up? 2014 team. Amongst others.


Not too familiar with YJ other than they're a solid club we really look forward to playing, just popped onto the thread to look around. We've left clubs because they play kids up...IMO, it's a terrible policy. Hurts the younger teams far more than it helps the older teams as the kids will always be more competitive against younger competition. Encourages "me too" attitude and more parents start asking to have their kids play-up too and finally, the kids who play-up usually leave the club when they try to move them back down to the correct age group because they feel like they're being demoted. Maybe YJ have solved the problems of playing kids up, who knows. My girls play M&D and to my knowledge no kids play-up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/21/12 10:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.
thats false.

Are you still talking about 2019? Tell me where girls play up in the upper ages.


Older kids are played up by necessity on weak teams in weak clubs. Strong clubs don't play kids up because they don't have to. If your club's playing kids up, I'd get out.

one caveat, all good clubs that I know of do allow kids to "play-up" on thier youngest age group team.


Really....why does that YJ goalie play up? 2014 team. Amongst others.
That Goalie plays up because daddy is a varsity assistant coach on her high school team, where she has also played varsity since the 7th grade. Though a good goalie, she has more of an advantage because of her father. In any other school she maybe makes varsity as a freshman, but because of her dad and being in such a small district she has taken advantage of a good opportunity as we all would have. Truth be told she doesn't live up to the hype against bigger stronger schools, or in tournament. there are better goalies than her that don't have the same backing or name recognition, but are far better goalies.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/22/12 12:33 AM
That may be the single worst post on here.To single a young girl out on this site for your criticism is disgusting.Such an obvious jealous hateful person, your kid knows what type of person you are and I guarantee she is embarrassed of you.The kid you are talking about is a complete stud and deserves all the accolades she gets.If you were a YJ parent attacking one of our TG players this would make sense to me but it just goes to show even TG has parents who are complete morons.
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/22/12 01:47 AM
Eh, no one knows who posted that, we're mostly all anon.

I've seen that goalie play, she's good. No need to dissect her game publicly. It sounds like sour grapes to me.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/22/12 01:48 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.
thats false.

Are you still talking about 2019? Tell me where girls play up in the upper ages.


Older kids are played up by necessity on weak teams in weak clubs. Strong clubs don't play kids up because they don't have to. If your club's playing kids up, I'd get out.

one caveat, all good clubs that I know of do allow kids to "play-up" on thier youngest age group team.


Really....why does that YJ goalie play up? 2014 team. Amongst others.
That Goalie plays up because daddy is a varsity assistant coach on her high school team, where she has also played varsity since the 7th grade. Though a good goalie, she has more of an advantage because of her father. In any other school she maybe makes varsity as a freshman, but because of her dad and being in such a small district she has taken advantage of a good opportunity as we all would have. Truth be told she doesn't live up to the hype against bigger stronger schools, or in tournament. there are better goalies than her that don't have the same backing or name recognition, but are far better goalies.


Are you kidding me?! Look at her bio and then you tell me she doesn't deserve to be there. she lives up to the hype and then some.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/22/12 07:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.
thats false.

Are you still talking about 2019? Tell me where girls play up in the upper ages.


Older kids are played up by necessity on weak teams in weak clubs. Strong clubs don't play kids up because they don't have to. If your club's playing kids up, I'd get out.

one caveat, all good clubs that I know of do allow kids to "play-up" on thier youngest age group team.


Really....why does that YJ goalie play up? 2014 team. Amongst others.
That Goalie plays up because daddy is a varsity assistant coach on her high school team, where she has also played varsity since the 7th grade. Though a good goalie, she has more of an advantage because of her father. In any other school she maybe makes varsity as a freshman, but because of her dad and being in such a small district she has taken advantage of a good opportunity as we all would have. Truth be told she doesn't live up to the hype against bigger stronger schools, or in tournament. there are better goalies than her that don't have the same backing or name recognition, but are far better goalies.


As a TG parent I can say the above post is NOT from a TG parent. We are not that way I hope. Someone starting trouble I'm sure.
That YJ goalie in question is really good. I have had the opportunity to get to know her Mom a bit while cheering on our goalies this season when playing against each other. I find myself rooting for her throughout the season and I am sure they do the same (as long as they are not playing each other, lol). That is called friendly, respectful competition! No one needs to single out a girl like that...especially a goalie. There is enough pressure playing that position as it is!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/22/12 07:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.
thats false.

Are you still talking about 2019? Tell me where girls play up in the upper ages.


Older kids are played up by necessity on weak teams in weak clubs. Strong clubs don't play kids up because they don't have to. If your club's playing kids up, I'd get out.

one caveat, all good clubs that I know of do allow kids to "play-up" on thier youngest age group team.


Really....why does that YJ goalie play up? 2014 team. Amongst others.
That Goalie plays up because daddy is a varsity assistant coach on her high school team, where she has also played varsity since the 7th grade. Though a good goalie, she has more of an advantage because of her father. In any other school she maybe makes varsity as a freshman, but because of her dad and being in such a small district she has taken advantage of a good opportunity as we all would have. Truth be told she doesn't live up to the hype against bigger stronger schools, or in tournament. there are better goalies than her that don't have the same backing or name recognition, but are far better goalies.

First of all,She is a great goalie and a better kid. Don't diminish her accomplishments for your own agenda! Next, I have only seen goalies play up in YJ's and it is pretty common.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/23/12 01:34 AM


Older kids are played up by necessity on weak teams in weak clubs. Strong clubs don't play kids up because they don't have to. If your club's playing kids up, I'd get out.

one caveat, all good clubs that I know of do allow kids to "play-up" on thier youngest age group team. [/quote]

Really....why does that YJ goalie play up? 2014 team. Amongst others. [/quote]That Goalie plays up because daddy is a varsity assistant coach on her high school team, where she has also played varsity since the 7th grade. Though a good goalie, she has more of an advantage because of her father. In any other school she maybe makes varsity as a freshman, but because of her dad and being in such a small district she has taken advantage of a good opportunity as we all would have. Truth be told she doesn't live up to the hype against bigger stronger schools, or in tournament. there are better goalies than her that don't have the same backing or name recognition, but are far better goalies. [/quote]
First of all,She is a great goalie and a better kid. Don't diminish her accomplishments for your own agenda! Next, I have only seen goalies play up in YJ's and it is pretty common. [/quote]No one said she was a bad girl or a bad goalie , just that her father is an A.C. for her school and therefore has a better P.R. machine, There are other goalies just as good and better at the same age in some peoples opinion, only those girls don't have the same advantage. Stop being so sensitive. It's actually stated that shes a good goalie, and it was in response to your question if I'm not mistaken Powder
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/23/12 02:19 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Older kids are played up by necessity on weak teams in weak clubs. Strong clubs don't play kids up because they don't have to. If your club's playing kids up, I'd get out.

one caveat, all good clubs that I know of do allow kids to "play-up" on thier youngest age group team.


Really....why does that YJ goalie play up? 2014 team. Amongst others. [/quote]That Goalie plays up because daddy is a varsity assistant coach on her high school team, where she has also played varsity since the 7th grade. Though a good goalie, she has more of an advantage because of her father. In any other school she maybe makes varsity as a freshman, but because of her dad and being in such a small district she has taken advantage of a good opportunity as we all would have. Truth be told she doesn't live up to the hype against bigger stronger schools, or in tournament. there are better goalies than her that don't have the same backing or name recognition, but are far better goalies. [/quote]
First of all,She is a great goalie and a better kid. Don't diminish her accomplishments for your own agenda! Next, I have only seen goalies play up in YJ's and it is pretty common. [/quote]No one said she was a bad girl or a bad goalie , just that her father is an A.C. for her school and therefore has a better P.R. machine, There are other goalies just as good and better at the same age in some peoples opinion, only those girls don't have the same advantage. Stop being so sensitive. It's actually stated that shes a good goalie, and it was in response to your question if I'm not mistaken Powder [/quote]


it's a poor attempt at a backhanded compliment. with or without her father she would be a successful goalie and athlete. One of the nicest families I have ever met also.
Posted By: Powderfinger Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/23/12 02:56 AM
Well, okay, I guess you did cite an example of an older player playing up. And we've all agreed she's a good player, political connections aside.

So that's one instance of an older girl playing up. I still don't think it's rampant. All in all, I still don't think you see girls playing up *in any great numbers* in the older ages. It's the exception, not the rule, IMO. If I"m mistaken, I expect to hear about it here. laugh

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/23/12 04:07 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Older kids are played up by necessity on weak teams in weak clubs. Strong clubs don't play kids up because they don't have to. If your club's playing kids up, I'd get out.

one caveat, all good clubs that I know of do allow kids to "play-up" on thier youngest age group team.


Really....why does that YJ goalie play up? 2014 team. Amongst others. [/quote]That Goalie plays up because daddy is a varsity assistant coach on her high school team, where she has also played varsity since the 7th grade. Though a good goalie, she has more of an advantage because of her father. In any other school she maybe makes varsity as a freshman, but because of her dad and being in such a small district she has taken advantage of a good opportunity as we all would have. Truth be told she doesn't live up to the hype against bigger stronger schools, or in tournament. there are better goalies than her that don't have the same backing or name recognition, but are far better goalies. [/quote]
First of all,She is a great goalie and a better kid. Don't diminish her accomplishments for your own agenda! Next, I have only seen goalies play up in YJ's and it is pretty common. [/quote]No one said she was a bad girl or a bad goalie , just that her father is an A.C. for her school and therefore has a better P.R. machine, There are other goalies just as good and better at the same age in some peoples opinion, only those girls don't have the same advantage. Stop being so sensitive. It's actually stated that shes a good goalie, and it was in response to your question if I'm not mistaken Powder [/quote]
PR machine? come on this is HS lax. The only goalie in her class from the 2015's is the Shoreham goalie. and I am a YJ parent. They are both great!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/23/12 01:42 PM
Goalie is the one position that playing up is understandable. Other positions have many girls and subs to mix and match, and positions are easier to fill. Face it there are only so many goalies out there, if a younger team has enough goalies to cover and one is brought up to fill a need that is acceptable. If she is brought up and is displacing an older goalie and/or leaving the younger team compromised, then it is not right. Not familiar with this instance but if nobody was displaced and the teams are better off, then it makes sense.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/23/12 03:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Powderfinger
Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's NOT right if that's what happens! ALL the 2020 girls should stay down to play with their own age regardless of who they know or how they are connected - and we all know a few of them are "connected".


In the end, all girls end up playing with their age group.


thats false.

So, if your not happy that your 2019 black team has 2020 players on it speak up to your coaches/directors or go to another club. Nobody is forcing you to write that check to Top Guns or anybody else for that matter
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/23/12 04:06 PM
How is iy everything on a thread about TG gets turned to be about YJ.Maye the crazies out there saying we are obsessed with YJ aren't so crazy after all.Let's try to keep the discussion about things pertaining to TG.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/23/12 06:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is iy everything on a thread about TG gets turned to be about YJ.Maye the crazies out there saying we are obsessed with YJ aren't so crazy after all.Let's try to keep the discussion about things pertaining to TG.


Good idea! Let's stick to TG here!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/23/12 07:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is iy everything on a thread about TG gets turned to be about YJ.Maye the crazies out there saying we are obsessed with YJ aren't so crazy after all.Let's try to keep the discussion about things pertaining to TG.


Good idea! Let's stick to TG here!


Agreed - maybe it's YJ parents fighting amongst themselves on the TG thread? They should go fight on their own thread!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse - 08/23/12 10:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is iy everything on a thread about TG gets turned to be about YJ.Maye the crazies out there saying we are obsessed with YJ aren't so crazy after all.Let's try to keep the discussion about things pertaining to TG.


Good idea! Let's stick to TG here!


Agreed - maybe it's YJ parents fighting amongst themselves on the TG thread? They should go fight on their own thread!

You have to be joking, again making the conversation about that other team,stop obsessing.
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