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Posted By: CageSage Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/08/13 05:22 PM
BOTC is opening our Fall 2013 through Summer 2014 thread covering the Boys 2018 (8th Grade) age group.

In order to introduce this year's thread, we are categorizing this age group's tryouts by date.

8/25, Outlaws, 11:00am

9/7, Team Threshers, 1:00pm
9/7, fl$, 2:00pm
9/7, Turf Island, 5:00pm
9/7, Revolution, 6:00pm

9/8, fl$, 2:00pm
9/8, Team 91, 3:00pm

9/14, Team Threshers, 11:00am
9/14, True Blue, 11:00am

9/15, Outlaws, 8:00am
9/15, Legacy, 10:45am
9/15, Team 91, 12:00pm
9/15, True Blue, 2:00pm

9/21, Legacy, 10:45am
9/21, Jesters, 8:30pm

9/22, Jesters, 8:30pm

9/29, Thunder, 9:00am
9/29, Recon, 8:00pm

10/5, Revolution, 3:00pm
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/08/13 05:47 PM
I am not sure what teams my son will tryout for or where he will end up but I do know that every game his team wins will because they were better and wanted it more and the few games they lose will be when they play up or the other team has older kids, my sons team will all be age appropriate for their grade, wish other teams could say the same. No problem with the scheduling of the tourney's we will win but the ones we lose will be ridiculous to have us play so many games in a row yet have such long breaks in between games (oh, and our best players aren't going to be at the games we lose) - my son's teams parents are supportive while the other teams parents are obnoxious (but to the unbiased observer they all seem to be the same)and I promise CageSage that I will complain about every other organizations cost structure and value while never mentioning who I play for or what I play. I will continue to post anonymously, be cause I can and I can't wait for the summer to start.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/08/13 05:55 PM
Now that's funny
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/09/13 01:36 PM
Still nothing on Express?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 01:18 PM
Why have a tryout for any of the A teams? I would like to see an invite process for the open spots. That is basically what happens anyway. The core group is the same kids after playing together for a few seasons so just invite to fill the spot.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 01:28 PM
LI Storm did that one year, tryout for 2 defenseman, 3 middies and 1 attack - great idea from one of the classiest organization out there, problem is that the team did not get better because the weaker kids stayed while the better kids moved on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 01:45 PM
The A teams at 91 and Express would mostly be picking from the same kids not so for the B and C teams. Problem is they are now rising 9th graders for summer 2014,not a great time to try and find a spot for a player on the top teams.Also helps for recruiting and camp invites to have a repoire with coaches over time,not easy to jump on an existing team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/19/13 05:09 PM
Any truth to rumor that 91 coach Sal is hanging it up?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/19/13 05:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any truth to rumor that 91 coach Sal is hanging it up?


no truth...unless he wins Powerball....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/19/13 09:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any truth to rumor that 91 coach Sal is hanging it up?


no truth...unless he wins Powerball....


I heard a rumor that he is switching spots with the B team coach and Sal will be taking over the White team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/20/13 02:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any truth to rumor that 91 coach Sal is hanging it up?


no truth...unless he wins Powerball....


I heard a rumor that he is switching spots with the B team coach and Sal will be taking over the White team.


It's possible...I know SL's son is going to be playing on white this year....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/20/13 03:16 PM
heard that he was leaving also...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/20/13 05:03 PM
Heard SL was leaving for personal reasons and the B teach coach was going to coach the A team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/21/13 02:56 AM
The only people who really care if he is coming back or not are the parents of the fringe players who have kept their spot because they are buddies with SL. So let the helmet buying and the lawn cutting begin. You know who you are.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/21/13 12:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only people who really care if he is coming back or not are the parents of the fringe players who have kept their spot because they are buddies with SL. So let the helmet buying and the lawn cutting begin. You know who you are.


Hey now!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/21/13 12:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only people who really care if he is coming back or not are the parents of the fringe players who have kept their spot because they are buddies with SL. So let the helmet buying and the lawn cutting begin. You know who you are.


Funny....Brilliant...and true.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/21/13 06:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only people who really care if he is coming back or not are the parents of the fringe players who have kept their spot because they are buddies with SL. So let the helmet buying and the lawn cutting begin. You know who you are.

A little venomous. Every team has them. It is just a part of club lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/21/13 08:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only people who really care if he is coming back or not are the parents of the fringe players who have kept their spot because they are buddies with SL. So let the helmet buying and the lawn cutting begin. You know who you are.


Wow, guess your son was on the B team? I guess you will feel differently with him as your coach now - if true? or will you just type behind his back? And you played where? and coached where? Right, thought so....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/22/13 12:48 AM
Nope son is not on the B team. Wont be my sons Coach. Played Varsity in 10, 11, 12 grade at a perennial Nassau County power house. If you read the post again it was aimed at the parents of the fringe players who have the most to lose. Not SL. I never Coached. Hope I answered all of your questions. If you need help with the definition of perennial let me know.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/22/13 02:24 AM
I answered your questions now answer the same ones about yourself. Now go cut the lawn
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/22/13 11:10 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I answered your questions now answer the same ones about yourself. Now go cut the lawn

Actually, grass is a perennial.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/22/13 11:30 AM
Somebody let the idiot out from under the rock again?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/22/13 03:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Somebody let the idiot out from under the rock again?

Would that be igneous, metamorphic or sedimentary?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/22/13 03:19 PM
Just reading through this and couldn't help but chime in. My son plays 2018 Express and we have great games with 91. Parents on both sides nothing but first class during the games.
Then there's the idiot that writes such garbage. What a loser that guy is. Love how he remains anonymous and claims his son played varsity in 10-12 grades for a perennial powerhouse.
CHALLENGE
Take a look in the mirror my friend and look at the fool in the reflection. Just hope your son doesn't end up as pathetic as you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/22/13 05:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just reading through this and couldn't help but chime in. My son plays 2018 Express and we have great games with 91. Parents on both sides nothing but first class during the games.
Then there's the idiot that writes such garbage. What a loser that guy is. Love how he remains anonymous and claims his son played varsity in 10-12 grades for a perennial powerhouse.
CHALLENGE
Take a look in the mirror my friend and look at the fool in the reflection. Just hope your son doesn't end up as pathetic as you.


I believe there is a misinterpretation. the fathers experience was varsity 10-12.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/22/13 07:53 PM
2x HS AllCounty, Division I Lacrosse Scholarship, Coached Pre-K to Post-College Club - Sorry dont feel the need to bash others professions, donations or anything. If you dont coach or cannot afford what others can;maybe, if you have nothing nice to say...say nothing at all? But hey, you played HS lacrosse so at one point you were in the fraternity...respect it.... Let's chalk it up to a bad day... you are really not that mean are you??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/22/13 08:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just reading through this and couldn't help but chime in. My son plays 2018 Express and we have great games with 91. Parents on both sides nothing but first class during the games.
Then there's the idiot that writes such garbage. What a loser that guy is. Love how he remains anonymous and claims his son played varsity in 10-12 grades for a perennial powerhouse.
CHALLENGE
Take a look in the mirror my friend and look at the fool in the reflection. Just hope your son doesn't end up as pathetic as you.


I think if you read the first post and then his post, he is giving his own lacrosse credentials when he was asked where he played. If that is the case I am guessing Jim Brown, Three year varsity player for perennial powerhouse Manhasset. And if it is Jim Brown (I think it has to be) what is his problem with SL?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/22/13 08:32 PM
O K Ace please go back and read the post over again. I think that anytime there is a possible coaching change parents of players that have a relationship with the current coach have a good reason to feel uneasy. I believe I referred to them as fringe players. Also it was MY lacrosse career that was questioned and not my sons. I bet you are a 91 parent who is very annoyed that I know what goes on so when your at the tryout look around and try to figure it out. FYI I am ok with mirrors and no rock just a really large nice one. Have a nice day.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/23/13 04:11 AM
SL leaving would be the best thing for that team. I don't think AM ( white coach) is the answer. He's not good enough to know what to do with that much talent. He's basic.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/23/13 12:17 PM
WOW, I am SO glad I am not involved in your organization AT ALL and after reading these comments regarding your coaches (AND THEIR 12/13 YEAR OLD SONS!!) from what I assume are parents with children on the team....I never would be. You are disgraceful and pathetic.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/23/13 01:31 PM
What a coward to talk about 13 yr old kids coaches kids. Jealousy will get you nowhere in life you wimp of a man.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/23/13 01:42 PM
It really is a shame that you have nothing better to do than bash 12/13 year old "KIDS". Your a moron. Both kids mentioned are good players and nice kids. Get a life.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/23/13 03:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just reading through this and couldn't help but chime in. My son plays 2018 Express and we have great games with 91. Parents on both sides nothing but first class during the games.
Then there's the idiot that writes such garbage. What a loser that guy is. Love how he remains anonymous and claims his son played varsity in 10-12 grades for a perennial powerhouse.
CHALLENGE
Take a look in the mirror my friend and look at the fool in the reflection. Just hope your son doesn't end up as pathetic as you.


2018 Xtreme - Terps games have been great to watch over the past two years. I am the parent of an Xtreme player, and what goes on on the field when these two teams play is what athletics are supposed to be all about. The level of play is high, the games are intense, the kids play tough but within the rules, the coaches are doing everything they can to win the game, and parent sideline behavior is good. My son loves these games, looks forward to these games, knows a lot of the boys on the Terps team, and when they do camps and other things together, they hang out. What more as a parent could you hope for?

Then you get the anonymous posts from the guy who criticizes Xtreme coaches, kids, make excuses/spins, and puts down other parents for their professions or team involvement with just enough detail to make sure people know who he's disrepecting. You have got to be kidding me. Please stay far, far away from my son - he loves everything about this rivalry, and the further away he is from the 'go negative - get nasty' guys, the better.
Posted By: laxlaxlax Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/23/13 04:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thank God XX son is playing white, he would be lost on Orange. I don't think he's good enough for any color team. Again, coach's pass.


Even as an agnostic I am offended by this post, with all the parochial school connections I would think God would be more concerned with Express rosters then 91's.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/23/13 05:24 PM
As for the faceless critiques of players and coaches have the balls to sign your name. Maybe then we can see if you would write what you do if you had your name behind it or if there were any merit to it. Until then I will speak for my experience with AM and TC who coached 91White and my son. I can not speak more highly of two great men and coaches. My son loved playing for them and learned a lot about the game of lacrosse and being a good teammate from both of these men. Their love and passion for the game is amazing. The commitment they showed to the team and the boys as individuals was incredible. I couldnt have been happier with all the extra work and time they spent with my son. My son was lucky to have had them as coaches. I only can hope he has the opportunity to play for them again. This was my and my sons experience with Team 91. It was a great year Thanks
Alex Moschos
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/23/13 05:44 PM
No way he played the game. He sounds like the typical sports dad thats trying to live through his son.
Do you really have to talk about someone's kid like that when some of the kids read this stuff.
I'm sure you are a failure in life.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/23/13 06:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
WOW, I am SO glad I am not involved in your organization AT ALL and after reading these comments regarding your coaches (AND THEIR 12/13 YEAR OLD SONS!!) from what I assume are parents with children on the team....I never would be. You are disgraceful and pathetic.


You really think this is coming from within. Really!!!! Its probably people stirring the pot from other programs. As long as no one puts a name to their post this type of stuff will always happen.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/23/13 07:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SL leaving would be the best thing for that team. I don't think AM ( white coach) is the answer. He's not good enough to know what to do with that much talent. He's basic.

What a disgrace. I coach for another organization and disagree with a lot of things that 91 does, and wish their directors and some of their coaches would learn what the word humility means. However, why would you attack a specific kid. You should be ashamed of yourself, but you are such D-BAG that you are probably incapable of that emotion.
Posted By: laxlaxlax Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/23/13 07:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SL leaving would be the best thing for that team. I don't think AM ( white coach) is the answer. He's not good enough to know what to do with that much talent. He's basic.

I don't think this passes the BOTC posting rules - he is posting team and age and father/coaches initials really is Identifying youth players. and it is a negative post about these two boys, I hope you would consider taking it down.

Named Individuals : Identifying youth players in a negative or attacking manner by name will not be permitted. Be mindful that such posts will be removed and/or editted by the BOTC Moderators. Identification of adults in posts should be accompanied with substantiated facts and details.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/23/13 07:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
WOW, I am SO glad I am not involved in your organization AT ALL and after reading these comments regarding your coaches (AND THEIR 12/13 YEAR OLD SONS!!) from what I assume are parents with children on the team....I never would be. You are disgraceful and pathetic.


You really think this is coming from within. Really!!!! Its probably people stirring the pot from other programs. As long as no one puts a name to their post this type of stuff will always happen.


I would think it is the parent of a so called "fringe kid" that was cut at the expense of a politically favored player or one that sees the writing on the wall for this year. wait a second. I may be stirring the pot by saying that.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/23/13 09:13 PM
Originally Posted by laxlaxlax
I don't think this passes the BOTC posting rules - he is posting team and age and father/coaches initials really is Identifying youth players. and it is a negative post about these two boys, I hope you would consider taking it down.

Named Individuals : Identifying youth players in a negative or attacking manner by name will not be permitted. Be mindful that such posts will be removed and/or editted by the BOTC Moderators. Identification of adults in posts should be accompanied with substantiated facts and details.
BOTC agrees with you and we have now corrected this situation.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/23/13 10:45 PM
You all may not like the comments but the fact is: it's all TRUE.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/23/13 11:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SL leaving would be the best thing for that team. I don't think AM ( white coach) is the answer. He's not good enough to know what to do with that much talent. He's basic.

What a disgrace. I coach for another organization and disagree with a lot of things that 91 does, and wish their directors and some of their coaches would learn what the word humility means. However, why would you attack a specific kid. You should be ashamed of yourself, but you are such D-BAG that you are probably incapable of that emotion.


A coach for another organization on this site attacking directors & coaches of the 91 organization is what? Graceful? Did you actually say D-BAG?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/28/13 07:43 PM
Yeah really, why is a coach on these forums anyway.............................. stirring it up??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/01/13 05:56 PM
Can somebody comment about the other 2018 teams. Other than the elite teams. Like the Express Wolverines, Jesters, fl$. Share your experiences re coaching, off-season (fall and winter leagues & OBLL) etc. This is a critical year for this age group. They have a 18 months or so to be fully prepared to compete for a JV spot. Can afford to have a year of going backwards.

Thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/02/13 01:13 AM
Wolverines are excellent team. Very good, dedicated coach and talented group of kids.
Jesters looked very well coached and had very solid first team. Depth looked like opportunity.
fl$ seemed hot or cold. Decent amount of talent. Changed coaches mid season. Very athletic team.
91 White was solid all around and very good coaches. Probably best second tier team.
91 Raiders solid as well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/02/13 02:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wolverines are excellent team. Very good, dedicated coach and talented group of kids.
Jesters looked very well coached and had very solid first team. Depth looked like opportunity.
fl$ seemed hot or cold. Decent amount of talent. Changed coaches mid season. Very athletic team.
91 White was solid all around and very good coaches. Probably best second tier team.
91 Raiders solid as well.


If you're son is a strong player, and is looking for an opportunity to play on an up an coming team that will face the best competition, I suggest you give Jester's 2018 a look. Highly dedicated coaches, did lots of extra's at minimal cost. Practiced twice a week, trained over the winter, did OBLL. They will only be stronger this coming year. Team grew tremendously from the beginning of the year to the end.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/09/13 03:05 PM
My son attended 91 tryouts yesterday. He said the boys were told that 91 was planning on putting together 2 "AA" teams for 2014. He did not hear anything about the Raiders - are they done as a team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/09/13 05:17 PM
3d Blue Chip Invites out for 2018's.. Congrats to all who made it!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/09/13 07:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
3d Blue Chip Invites out for 2018's.. Congrats to all who made it!



can't anyone go to 3d?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/09/13 07:37 PM
How do you get the invites?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/09/13 07:40 PM
email or mail???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/09/13 08:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
3d Blue Chip Invites out for 2018's.. Congrats to all who made it!



can't anyone go to 3d?


Think you needed to apply or be seen, check the website.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/09/13 08:32 PM
My son got the invite - is this worth it?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/09/13 09:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son got the invite - is this worth it?


I asked 2017 parents what they thought. They said its the only way for 2018's to get into Jake Reed for next summer. I think it could be a good experience to see how your son stacks up. Also, great practice run playing in higher pressure venue. Reality is, this time next year the recruiting process will begin for some 2018's. I don't agree with it, but we can't deny it either. Personally, I have no expectations at all, I think its a great opportunity to prepare my son for what's coming down the road. I also hear the training and competition are very good. Florida at the end of Jan, could be worse!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/10/13 11:07 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
email or mail???


Email
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/10/13 12:14 PM
My son also got an invite to the 2018 event. I went back and looked and I am not sure it is worth the expense for this age group.

First, you have to go to florida and then if your picked from that florida group you get to play in July...

One father of a 2017 that played last year told me if there were three or four college coaches there it was a lot. If you are not going for that college exposure, what are you going for?

I admit, it is nice to get the opportunity and makes you feel good, but at this point I am not sure if I am even telling my son. I figure this is a $2000 comitment and I am not sure what is gained for the $2k.???

Anyone have any different thoughts?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/10/13 12:42 PM
Did the e-mails go out to all 600 boys who were accepted nationally?

Was this the east region only?

Or was this one person you are aware of who received an invite?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
3d Blue Chip Invites out for 2018's.. Congrats to all who made it!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/10/13 12:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
at this point I am not sure if I am even telling my son.


Are you hoping your son forgets that he applied? Or did you apply for him without telling him?

Shouldn't he be a part of the decision making process?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/10/13 12:54 PM
My son is a 2017 and we went to 3D last January. It was a great experience and my son really enjoyed it. It was three days away in Florida in January with great weather! If your son is a 2018 and youre thinking of going, dont look at it as any kind of recruiting thing. Its basically a play in for Jake Reed summer camp which at the 2018 level has no recruiting value whatsoever.
Posted By: lax4fun Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/10/13 04:18 PM
my son received and invite for both the mid-atlantic and east region.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did the e-mails go out to all 600 boys who were accepted nationally?

Was this the east region only?

Or was this one person you are aware of who received an invite?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
3d Blue Chip Invites out for 2018's.. Congrats to all who made it!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/10/13 05:57 PM
Thanks for the feedback. I did not think that the college recruiting angle was all that big for 2018 - still a bit young even with today's crazy D1 recruiting practices. How good was the January camp? I am guessing the competition was pretty decent - no? Do you feel your son got a lot out of it? Did your son go to the summer camp as well? Thanks again
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/13/13 12:29 PM

Not all the the 3d Blue Chip invites are out. They are still vetting. If you applied late, there is a strong chance that you have not heard yet, there is a strong chance your child is still being considered.

I am hoping to hear more from the 2017 parents who took players to Florida last year. Your insight and feedback is exactly what this forum is intended to be about.

Recruiting aspect - general responses so far is that this is not really a recruiting event

Competition Quality? -especially versus Brine NLC and other events billed as elite only?????

Coaching Quality?

Evaluation Process?

We all already know it is very expensive - did anyone spend the extra $300+ to get a highlight tape?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/13/13 01:45 PM
I have heard from a 2017 parent that it was a positive experience last year -- not from a recruiting or exposure standpoint, but from a development/competition standpoint.

One point, which I don't think I have seen mentioned, is exposure to a showcase type event at an early stage. Many kids are used to playing with their top travel teams. They run a set offense, everyone shares the ball and is familiar with each other. I think it is a benefit to break out of that environment and let the player compete in a showcase/tryout type environement where he is not going to be 100% comfortable with his teammates. Having this experience as a 2018 and when the recruiting pressure is not on, seems like a benefit, if you can deal with the cost.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/15/13 01:12 PM
express first tryout today good luck to all the boys.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/15/13 01:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have heard from a 2017 parent that it was a positive experience last year -- not from a recruiting or exposure standpoint, but from a development/competition standpoint.

One point, which I don't think I have seen mentioned, is exposure to a showcase type event at an early stage. Many kids are used to playing with their top travel teams. They run a set offense, everyone shares the ball and is familiar with each other. I think it is a benefit to break out of that environment and let the player compete in a showcase/tryout type environement where he is not going to be 100% comfortable with his teammates. Having this experience as a 2018 and when the recruiting pressure is not on, seems like a benefit, if you can deal with the cost.


I am a NJ Dad whose son went to 3D Blue Chip and then made it to the summer Jake Reed event. In my opinion, the event is NOT a recruiting event (even Jake Reed in the summer really isn't yet) nor should you expect it to be given the age. However, it was very well run, combined training/development with the boys' first showcase-type experience which will be valuable down the line, had a great coach to kid ratio, and the competition was pretty darn good. Also, for 8th graders, it is the ONLY way to get to the Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip summer event. That event is definately not the be-all and end-all for 8th graders/rising freshman come summer, but it is a great way to see where your son stands relative to the better players across the country and again get great showcase-type experience. The cost is another matter. Very expensive to do these events, however, if that is not a real issue, I would highly recommend both 3D Blue Chip and Jake Reed if you son is selected.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/15/13 02:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not all the the 3d Blue Chip invites are out. They are still vetting. If you applied late, there is a strong chance that you have not heard yet, there is a strong chance your child is still being considered.

I am hoping to hear more from the 2017 parents who took players to Florida last year. Your insight and feedback is exactly what this forum is intended to be about.

Recruiting aspect - general responses so far is that this is not really a recruiting event

Competition Quality? -especially versus Brine NLC and other events billed as elite only?????

Coaching Quality?

Evaluation Process?

We all already know it is very expensive - did anyone spend the extra $300+ to get a highlight tape?

My son is a 2017 and we attended this event last January. On the whole I thought it was a great experience. The competition was top notch and the event was very well organized and there were plenty of coaches and evaluators around. It was a beautiful three days weather wise and it was nice to get away in January. To be clear, this event has NO recruiting value whatsoever! This is a play in event for the summer Jake Reed camp.

On the negative side, my son is a defenseman and I have to say the lack of defensive coaching was somewhat disturbing. The 3D box/field methodology is very heavily offense oriented and the poles got little to no instruction. They are basically on their own for the three days.

Overall, it was a great experience, however for a defensemen, not the best from a coaching standpoint.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 11:43 AM
How were 2018 Express try-outs?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 01:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How were 2018 Express try-outs?


lots of lacrosse players - not a lot of lacrosse played
I think these tryouts need to have a series of cuts - maybe bring back the top 60 and then pick two teams but 120 kids at 1 1/2 hour tryout is silly
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 02:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How were 2018 Express try-outs?


lots of lacrosse players - not a lot of lacrosse played
I think these tryouts need to have a series of cuts - maybe bring back the top 60 and then pick two teams but 120 kids at 1 1/2 hour tryout is silly


They had maybe 110 kids. The first part was good. Lots of decent drills for about an hour. They scrimaged after that.
Problem was 6 teams of kids. One field. 15-20 minute games. Lots of sitting around for the players not playing the game. Talent was very good. Best I have seen in two years. MC promises more lax next week for the kids. Kellenberg has 3 fields. I expect 2 hours of games. Everyone playing all the time. Rest up....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 07:04 PM
Yeah I was at the express tryouts 100 kids 10 goalies.
Terps and express kids were most noticeable. Every one else just look about at same level. 3 kids that I noticed was the big middie who plays for express c, the raiders goalie and the middie with jesters helmet on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 05:01 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yeah I was at the express tryouts 100 kids 10 goalies.
Terps and express kids were most noticeable. Every one else just look about at same level. 3 kids that I noticed was the big middie who plays for express c, the raiders goalie and the middie with jesters helmet on.


To funny raiders goalie dad.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 01:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yeah I was at the express tryouts 100 kids 10 goalies.
Terps and express kids were most noticeable. Every one else just look about at same level. 3 kids that I noticed was the big middie who plays for express c, the raiders goalie and the middie with jesters helmet on.


To funny raiders goalie dad.


be nice, I was at the tryout as well (my son wears an express bucket) and i did notice the raiders goalie, we was the one wearing the 91 helmet...lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 02:07 PM
FYI. Wasn't the raiders goalie.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 03:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FYI. Wasn't the raiders goalie.

My son plays for Express and is a defenseman and was on the same team as the goalie with the 91 helmet. He was loud and directed defense better than any goalie. As a result my sons defense was better. Dont think they were scored upon. There was also a jesters defenseman on his line. Great tryout for 2018 players. Look forward to kids playing a lot next week
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 07:04 PM
Wasn't there like 6 teams playing in that full field scrimmage?
My son is a middie from Express who was on a team with a goalie who he said played for the gladiators a year ago. He didn't give up any goals either. He was loud, and controlled the defense, made good clears...
Oh yeah, i am the goalies dad!!!
Give me a break. It was the first tryout. Let them play this weekend and let's see how they do. 13 years old, remember??
There are always good players, especially ones who have played together and those who haven't and also some who aren't ready to step up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 08:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wasn't there like 6 teams playing in that full field scrimmage?
My son is a middie from Express who was on a team with a goalie who he said played for the gladiators a year ago. He didn't give up any goals either. He was loud, and controlled the defense, made good clears...
Oh yeah, i am the goalies dad!!!
Give me a break. It was the first tryout. Let them play this weekend and let's see how they do. 13 years old, remember??
There are always good players, especially ones who have played together and those who haven't and also some who aren't ready to step up.


Dont get your point. Some guy calls out a kid but says wrong team. Another guy corrects it by stating some facts and now he's playing favorites. This is funny stuff. Just let the coaches decide. Kids all seemed to get along. Kids will play and when its all said and done they will make teams and thats it. Dont get so worked up over it. I dont think MC and JL or any of the other guys making selections read this stuff anyway.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 09:33 PM
I think you just agreed with the guys point. He was being sarcastic. Just making an assumption that he wasn't the goalies father and was just pointing out exactly what you said, let the kids play, they will make teams and that is it.
It started from the earlier part of the thread where some guy referenced a goalie and another called him out as being the kids parent.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 11:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only people who really care if he is coming back or not are the parents of the fringe players who have kept their spot because they are buddies with SL. So let the helmet buying and the lawn cutting begin. You know who you are.


Hey now!


On the 91 website they still have SL aligned to the Extreme as head coach with AM leaving the White team to be the assistant. JA who coached the 2020 White team is taking over the 2018 White team. That team just went down hill fast......he will ruin that team. Parents will start pulling there kids once they see him in action. Too bad.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 01:41 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only people who really care if he is coming back or not are the parents of the fringe players who have kept their spot because they are buddies with SL. So let the helmet buying and the lawn cutting begin. You know who you are.


Hey now!


On the 91 website they still have SL aligned to the Extreme as head coach with AM leaving the White team to be the assistant. JA who coached the 2020 White team is taking over the 2018 White team. That team just went down hill fast......he will ruin that team. Parents will start pulling there kids once they see him in action. Too bad.


they just shuffled the coaching chairs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 06:05 PM
Any input on JA or MH as coaches for 2018 white?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 07:14 PM
How do u guys think superstar 365 is going to do this year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 07:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any input on JA or MH as coaches for 2018 white?


Run for the hills like 8 players per year did with 2020
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 10:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any input on JA or MH as coaches for 2018 white?


Run for the hills like 8 players per year did with 2020


Bring prepared.....watch you son and many others get ridiculed by JA for making a bad pass. You may want to reconsider the invite.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 12:01 AM
Ask for your deposit back! One of the most smug,negative coaches I have ever seen. I would question why 91 would promote him to 2018. He is what is wrong with youth sports. He yells at every official, most opposing coaches and his own players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 12:30 AM
Maybe his assistant will keep him in check and be positive with the team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 12:57 AM
He had a good asst with 2020 and made no difference. Whether it is indoor,pal or travel he does the same thing. I am appalled by his behavior I have witnessed on multiple occasions. What is his playing resume?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 05:21 AM
My son played for him this past year, and none of the comments are what we experienced. He was extremely dedicated to the kids who committed themselves to the team, showed up for practice and put in constant effort. He was dedicated with his time, he never missed a practice, made every effort to set up full winter league along with year round practices. The kids were not yelled at, he taught them what they were doing wrong. His input was very truthful, some may not like that approach, unfortunately you may not always want the honest answer about your kids performance. He gave specific input to each of the kids, I don't think any of the people commenting attended his practices and observed the coaching the boys got, they were not yelled. The only true comments were that had words with the refs, in defense of the boys on the team, but not more than any of the other coaches.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 01:42 PM
Thanks for the post. Glad it was a different view than the last one!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 02:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ask for your deposit back! One of the most smug,negative coaches I have ever seen. I would question why 91 would promote him to 2018. He is what is wrong with youth sports. He yells at every official, most opposing coaches and his own players.


I disagree with you. I have a son that played for him and loved it. There are two sides to every story and this is my side. Faceless attacks are just that. Could this be a person whos son got cut or didnt get the playing time they thought little johnny should have had. Most probably. I think hes a great coach who is dedicated to his players and makes them accountable.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 02:50 PM
This couldn't be any further from the truth, he is a complete jack***
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This couldn't be any further from the truth, he is a complete jack***


Obviously some like him and some hate him.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 04:12 PM
Always 2 sides to every story and usually more than that. My son played for ja 2 years ago and we left voluntarily. I felt that although he was good to many kids and families, there was more bad than good. Playing time was not the reason why so many kids left nor from people cut.People left because kids and the parents do not accept abusive behavior to their own kids and who do want others to go foward without open eye. Look at the team pictures from 2 years ago, early last year and at the end of the year. There is a reason for such dramatic turnover. Moving to another progam, I am only upset that we didnt leave this coach earlier. We blinded by medals.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 05:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ask for your deposit back! One of the most smug,negative coaches I have ever seen. I would question why 91 would promote him to 2018. He is what is wrong with youth sports. He yells at every official, most opposing coaches and his own players.


I disagree with you. I have a son that played for him and loved it. There are two sides to every story and this is my side. Faceless attacks are just that. Could this be a person whos son got cut or didnt get the playing time they thought little johnny should have had. Most probably. I think hes a great coach who is dedicated to his players and makes them accountable.



Makes them accountable? Lol.

Damn irresponsible 9 year olds!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 05:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This couldn't be any further from the truth, he is a complete jack***


Sounds like those anonymous posts supporting him could be some good PR by the organization. Perhaps even put there by himself. If a poster who was not anonymous came on a supported him, I might believe it. Usually, where there's smoke, there's fire with these guys. On another note, why play for the 91 B team when you could probably make another Club's A team. A team's get most of the organizations attention. They will also play the best competition. I could see if it was Express and you felt pressure because your son was going to Cham or St A's. But 91 B team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 06:05 PM
My son played for ja two years ago. It is well documented about his behavior to kids, refs, and everything else. He does have a lot of kids leave, his coaching style is not for everyone.
For what it is worth my son refused to play for him- he was a starter- went to a different organization that was not as talented as ja team last year and had a much better time
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 06:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This couldn't be any further from the truth, he is a complete jack***


Sounds like those anonymous posts supporting him could be some good PR by the organization. Perhaps even put there by himself. If a poster who was not anonymous came on a supported him, I might believe it. Usually, where there's smoke, there's fire with these guys. On another note, why play for the 91 B team when you could probably make another Club's A team. A team's get most of the organizations attention. They will also play the best competition. I could see if it was Express and you felt pressure because your son was going to Cham or St A's. But 91 B team?


91's B team is better then 90% of the A teams that are out there. That is why you play for them...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 06:23 PM
So OMG Why is he still coaching for 91 if everyone is complaining how negative and abusive he is to kids or did you say nothing to the director???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 08:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This couldn't be any further from the truth, he is a complete jack***


Sounds like those anonymous posts supporting him could be some good PR by the organization. Perhaps even put there by himself. If a poster who was not anonymous came on a supported him, I might believe it. Usually, where there's smoke, there's fire with these guys. On another note, why play for the 91 B team when you could probably make another Club's A team. A team's get most of the organizations attention. They will also play the best competition. I could see if it was Express and you felt pressure because your son was going to Cham or St A's. But 91 B team?


And what about the anonymous posts attacking him. Could it be competition from other clubs. Come on. Your post makes a case for both sides.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 10:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This couldn't be any further from the truth, he is a complete jack***


Sounds like those anonymous posts supporting him could be some good PR by the organization. Perhaps even put there by himself. If a poster who was not anonymous came on a supported him, I might believe it. Usually, where there's smoke, there's fire with these guys. On another note, why play for the 91 B team when you could probably make another Club's A team. A team's get most of the organizations attention. They will also play the best competition. I could see if it was Express and you felt pressure because your son was going to Cham or St A's. But 91 B team?



And what about the anonymous posts attacking him. Could it be competition from other clubs. Come on. Your post makes a case for both sides.


Competition from another club.? Are you serious? For what reason? Go watch him in action at any of his PAL or Team 91 games. Everything said is accurate.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 10:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This couldn't be any further from the truth, he is a complete jack***


Sounds like those anonymous posts supporting him could be some good PR by the organization. Perhaps even put there by himself. If a poster who was not anonymous came on a supported him, I might believe it. Usually, where there's smoke, there's fire with these guys. On another note, why play for the 91 B team when you could probably make another Club's A team. A team's get most of the organizations attention. They will also play the best competition. I could see if it was Express and you felt pressure because your son was going to Cham or St A's. But 91 B team?


91's B team is better then 90% of the A teams that are out there. That is why you play for them...


How silly. Yeah go win the B bracket at the beach fest blast. It's not about meaningless tournament wins. It's about playing the best competition. Your A team will play the best, your B team won't. That's a fact. They won't play identical schedules. Another clubs A team will play the toughest competition, may not win all the time, but that's how your son will get better, by challenging himself as a player. Your son's travel lacrosse participation should have little or nothing to do with team wins and losses, that's for the business owner. (Club Director) It should be all about your son's personal development and growth as a player. I'd much rather my son be on A team that goes .500 than play on B team and win all the B brackets and easy A bracket tourns.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 09:09 PM
Any of the Long Island teams attending the Dicks U13 in Florida?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 01:47 PM
Sorry I dont se a team from anywhere in the US giving the LI or Baltimore teams a game I am talking True U13, and really that list only includes about 4 maybe 5 teams i now it does not answer your question anyone going?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 02:44 PM
What HS and at what level does JA coach?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 03:27 PM
ATTENTION DIRECTORS OF 91 SAL AND GEORGE HOPE ALL THIS NEGATIVE ABUSIVE TALK ABOUT COACH JA IS NOT TRUE. BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT BE FAIR TO PLAYERS WHO WANT TO LEARN AND LOVE THE GAME AND PARENTS WHO JUST PAID YOUR DEPOSIT. YOUR ORGANIZATION IS ONE OF THE BEST THAT IS WHY I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD ALLOW SOMEONE TO COACH IF IT THEY ARE NOT UP TO YOUR HIGH STANDARDS.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 04:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
ATTENTION DIRECTORS OF 91 SAL AND GEORGE HOPE ALL THIS NEGATIVE ABUSIVE TALK ABOUT COACH JA IS NOT TRUE. BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT BE FAIR TO PLAYERS WHO WANT TO LEARN AND LOVE THE GAME AND PARENTS WHO JUST PAID YOUR DEPOSIT. YOUR ORGANIZATION IS ONE OF THE BEST THAT IS WHY I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD ALLOW SOMEONE TO COACH IF IT THEY ARE NOT UP TO YOUR HIGH STANDARDS.


6 of you will be asking for your money back
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 04:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
ATTENTION DIRECTORS OF 91 SAL AND GEORGE HOPE ALL THIS NEGATIVE ABUSIVE TALK ABOUT COACH JA IS NOT TRUE. BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT BE FAIR TO PLAYERS WHO WANT TO LEARN AND LOVE THE GAME AND PARENTS WHO JUST PAID YOUR DEPOSIT. YOUR ORGANIZATION IS ONE OF THE BEST THAT IS WHY I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD ALLOW SOMEONE TO COACH IF IT THEY ARE NOT UP TO YOUR HIGH STANDARDS.


Looks like the organization is taking a hit at 2018. they use to bill it as 2 "A" teams. Now the "second A" team is desimated and players are running for the hills. Extreme players are displaced by kids moving up by talent and nepotism. fl$, Team LI and Express get new platers and new money.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 04:26 PM
None !!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 06:24 PM
How do you know orange team players are running for hills?
I thought it was ja team running for hills
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 06:58 PM
Probably doesn't realize that 91 now has two a teams at the A level. Those teams are called extreme and orange. They are two different teams. JA now coach's the white team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 08:10 PM
after starting this program last year they were close to challenging and beating all the top teams you can name - i have heard that they have upped the game again this year - should be fun to watch
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 08:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
after starting this program last year they were close to challenging and beating all the top teams you can name - i have heard that they have upped the game again this year - should be fun to watch


Umm which program is that?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 09:26 PM
Any idea how long before Express notifies who made it and who didn't for 2018? They had the final tryouts yesterday at Kellenberg.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 10:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any idea how long before Express notifies who made it and who didn't for 2018? They had the final tryouts yesterday at Kellenberg.


Wednesday they told us. That was controlled lax chaos yesterday. Two tryouts (2018 &2017) and several teams practicing. It was like program day for the Express. Nice to see where this sport has gone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 10:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any idea how long before Express notifies who made it and who didn't for 2018? They had the final tryouts yesterday at Kellenberg.


Wednesday they told us. That was controlled lax chaos yesterday. Two tryouts (2018 &2017) and several teams practicing. It was like program day for the Express. Nice to see where this sport has gone.


Controlled Chaos??? The 2018 tryout was from 12 to 1:30pm and 2017 from 2 to 3:30pm which during that time on a separate field a practice was being run for some younger teams.... I thought it was run very well and plenty of lacrosse game time for all
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 10:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
after starting this program last year they were close to challenging and beating all the top teams you can name - i have heard that they have upped the game again this year - should be fun to watch


Umm which program is that?


I think its the same guy asking how Superstar 365 looks, maybe answering his own questions.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 11:38 PM
None at all !
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/24/13 02:17 AM
I would agree
My son's group went til 1:45pm, wth refs on the field as well as the coaches.
It was done correctly.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/24/13 02:51 PM
Express tryouts are usually well run. However, the Express chaos begins after you get your invite email ...

You might think it easy to determine the following:

1. What "level" your son's team is (B or C ... A teams are told they are A teams, but in the recent past even the top A teams in certain grades were confused).
2. When and where you are practicing and how often.
3. What other Express teams, players and grades will be on the same practice field as your son and his team, and what coaches are running that practice.
4. How many kids are actually on the team roster.
5. What exactly you get for the fee.
6. What is not included, but will be offered (winter, etc.).
7. What the extra costs will be.

Expect the unexpected and be prepared to be unprepared. Surprises await you in Expressland! Been there ...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/24/13 04:05 PM
Not sure which tryout you were at but it appeared to me that they tryout was a little too slow. No chaos, fields too far apart for the evaluators to really look at all the players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any idea how long before Express notifies who made it and who didn't for 2018? They had the final tryouts yesterday at Kellenberg.


Wednesday they told us. That was controlled lax chaos yesterday. Two tryouts (2018 &2017) and several teams practicing. It was like program day for the Express. Nice to see where this sport has gone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/24/13 05:05 PM
Well, emails for terps went out. Having my son on this team for the last few years has been a pleasure. We have always had a well run, competitive and most importantly, fun team environment.

Unlike some of the other posters, we have enjoyed the last few years and have had none of the nonesense that others complain about...My son is happy and loves the game and the team, that is good enough for me. Helps that they win alot, but winning isnt everything.

Good luck to all of your sons.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/24/13 05:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well, emails for terps went out. Having my son on this team for the last few years has been a pleasure. We have always had a well run, competitive and most importantly, fun team environment.

Unlike some of the other posters, we have enjoyed the last few years and have had none of the nonesense that others complain about...My son is happy and loves the game and the team, that is good enough for me. Helps that they win alot, but winning isnt everything.

Good luck to all of your sons.


And that is usually the case for the A team... B and C, the poster above is 100 percent on point.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/24/13 06:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well, emails for terps went out. Having my son on this team for the last few years has been a pleasure. We have always had a well run, competitive and most importantly, fun team environment.

Unlike some of the other posters, we have enjoyed the last few years and have had none of the nonesense that others complain about...My son is happy and loves the game and the team, that is good enough for me. Helps that they win alot, but winning isnt everything.

Good luck to all of your sons.


You will be missed as would any and all of the kids that will not be together again this year. I can tell you from experience that the boys will continue to be friends on and off the field through HS, it was and is a great group of kids

-BFF
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/24/13 07:17 PM
Will the emails for the other teams go out today as well? Do they send emails out if they do not make the team, or only the invitations?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/24/13 07:20 PM
nope - by my kid plays on the team - he is telling me that there is some new blood in there which should turn up the heat a little more on the top tier LI teams - games were all close last year - but no wins - hopefully we can do a little better this year !!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/24/13 08:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
nope - by my kid plays on the team - he is telling me that there is some new blood in there which should turn up the heat a little more on the top tier LI teams - games were all close last year - but no wins - hopefully we can do a little better this year !!


umm again what team are you referring to?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/24/13 08:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well, emails for terps went out. Having my son on this team for the last few years has been a pleasure. We have always had a well run, competitive and most importantly, fun team environment.

Unlike some of the other posters, we have enjoyed the last few years and have had none of the nonesense that others complain about...My son is happy and loves the game and the team, that is good enough for me. Helps that they win alot, but winning isnt everything.

Good luck to all of your sons.


You will be missed as would any and all of the kids that will not be together again this year. I can tell you from experience that the boys will continue to be friends on and off the field through HS, it was and is a great group of kids

-BFF



Sorry to give wrong impression above...mine made the team again.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/24/13 08:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will the emails for the other teams go out today as well? Do they send emails out if they do not make the team, or only the invitations?


Only invites go out. Most likely all will be out by tomorrow night.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/24/13 09:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well, emails for terps went out. Having my son on this team for the last few years has been a pleasure. We have always had a well run, competitive and most importantly, fun team environment.

Unlike some of the other posters, we have enjoyed the last few years and have had none of the nonesense that others complain about...My son is happy and loves the game and the team, that is good enough for me. Helps that they win alot, but winning isnt everything.

Good luck to all of your sons.


You will be missed as would any and all of the kids that will not be together again this year. I can tell you from experience that the boys will continue to be friends on and off the field through HS, it was and is a great group of kids

-BFF



Sorry to give wrong impression above...mine made the team again.


Of course. No Express parent would come on these boards to announce their son didn't make the team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 04:00 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well, emails for terps went out. Having my son on this team for the last few years has been a pleasure. We have always had a well run, competitive and most importantly, fun team environment.

Unlike some of the other posters, we have enjoyed the last few years and have had none of the nonesense that others complain about...My son is happy and loves the game and the team, that is good enough for me. Helps that they win alot, but winning isnt everything.

Good luck to all of your sons.


You will be missed as would any and all of the kids that will not be together again this year. I can tell you from experience that the boys will continue to be friends on and off the field through HS, it was and is a great group of kids

-BFF



Sorry to give wrong impression above...mine made the team again.


Of course. No Express parent would come on these boards to announce their son didn't make the team.



If they their kid didn't make the team than they wouldn't be an Express parent.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 12:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well, emails for terps went out. Having my son on this team for the last few years has been a pleasure. We have always had a well run, competitive and most importantly, fun team environment.

Unlike some of the other posters, we have enjoyed the last few years and have had none of the nonesense that others complain about...My son is happy and loves the game and the team, that is good enough for me. Helps that they win alot, but winning isnt everything.

Good luck to all of your sons.


You will be missed as would any and all of the kids that will not be together again this year. I can tell you from experience that the boys will continue to be friends on and off the field through HS, it was and is a great group of kids

-BFF



Sorry to give wrong impression above...mine made the team again.


Of course. No Express parent would come on these boards to announce their son didn't make the team.



If they their kid didn't make the team than they wouldn't be an Express parent.




Dude you have to move on, you moving back and forth between 2018 & 2017 writing negative things is getting old!! Get over it and grow up!

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 04:14 PM
does anyone know if Express sent out all the invites yet for the 2018 teams??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 04:27 PM
Third team invites have not gone out yet.

Management probably waiting to get all responses for second team first.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 06:18 PM
So basically invites for Terps and Wolverines went out for 2018 is what you are saying?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 06:38 PM
Yes
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 06:40 PM
Invites for 2018 Piranah's are out as well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 06:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So basically invites for Terps and Wolverines went out for 2018 is what you are saying?


some people have just received 2018 piranha emails
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 09:51 PM
Piranhas are out. They had 3 teams last year and I guess it is the same this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 05:26 PM
The 1st 2017 has now committed. This puts the 2018 class on the clock. Assuming the trend continues we are less than 365 days away from the 1st 2018 commitment to UNC or JHU or UVA!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 06:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 1st 2017 has now committed. This puts the 2018 class on the clock. Assuming the trend continues we are less than 365 days away from the 1st 2018 commitment to UNC or JHU or UVA!!!


This time next year, how old will that 2018 lad be? I say 15 as a 9th grader, perhaps turning 16 before the end of 2014. Just as likely a full year hold-back than anything else. He will certainly be able to drive himself to his very first HS game in the Spring of 2015 (if he lives in MD). Unless he played up in HS as an 8th grader, which is a real possibility.

What is unlikely is that a "true" class of 2018 HS freshman will be committing in calendar 2014. Maybe by Spring 2015.

This is how it works gents! Let the games begin.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 06:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 1st 2017 has now committed. This puts the 2018 class on the clock. Assuming the trend continues we are less than 365 days away from the 1st 2018 commitment to UNC or JHU or UVA!!!


This time next year, how old will that 2018 lad be? I say 15 as a 9th grader, perhaps turning 16 before the end of 2014. Just as likely a full year hold-back than anything else. He will certainly be able to drive himself to his very first HS game in the Spring of 2015 (if he lives in MD). Unless he played up in HS as an 8th grader, which is a real possibility.

What is unlikely is that a "true" class of 2018 HS freshman will be committing in calendar 2014. Maybe by Spring 2015.

This is how it works gents! Let the games begin.


I thought age didn't mean anything?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 06:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 1st 2017 has now committed. This puts the 2018 class on the clock. Assuming the trend continues we are less than 365 days away from the 1st 2018 commitment to UNC or JHU or UVA!!!


This trend is going to have to stop at some point because it just does not make sense as both player and coach are taking risks so early in the process. As the growth of the game continues and a larger recruiting pool is established coaches are not going to have to be pressure to make these commitments to kids at such a young age. They can wait it until these kids are either juniors or god forbid seniors before committing because the talent pool is going to be deeper.

Look at the rest of the landscape in college athletics. No sport has freshman and sophmores committing like lacrosse. Why? Because talent in sports like basketball, football, and baseball is spread out across the country and not isolated to 5 states in the northeast. As lacrosse grows across the country, the recruiting pattern will change as well.

It is going to take a couple of coaches from major programs (and subsequently win) waiting to recruit to change this trend but I cannot see how recruiting any earlier is going to help these programs. Kids change not only physically but emotionally and what they believe to be the greatest love at 15 maybe dramatically different in 2 years time.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 07:48 PM
I would like to agree completely with your post. It is however inappropriate for the 2018 forum. The 1st 2018 will commit in less than 365 days. I am certain.

Perhaps the 1st 2022 will commit as a sophmore or junior. The 1st 2019 may actually commit before the 1st day of classes freshman year. In reality, since the fall club season has not started, this commit may have well committed during this past summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 1st 2017 has now committed. This puts the 2018 class on the clock. Assuming the trend continues we are less than 365 days away from the 1st 2018 commitment to UNC or JHU or UVA!!!


This trend is going to have to stop at some point because it just does not make sense as both player and coach are taking risks so early in the process. As the growth of the game continues and a larger recruiting pool is established coaches are not going to have to be pressure to make these commitments to kids at such a young age. They can wait it until these kids are either juniors or god forbid seniors before committing because the talent pool is going to be deeper.

Look at the rest of the landscape in college athletics. No sport has freshman and sophmores committing like lacrosse. Why? Because talent in sports like basketball, football, and baseball is spread out across the country and not isolated to 5 states in the northeast. As lacrosse grows across the country, the recruiting pattern will change as well.

It is going to take a couple of coaches from major programs (and subsequently win) waiting to recruit to change this trend but I cannot see how recruiting any earlier is going to help these programs. Kids change not only physically but emotionally and what they believe to be the greatest love at 15 maybe dramatically different in 2 years time.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/01/13 10:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any input on JA or MH as coaches for 2018 white?


Run for the hills like 8 players per year did with 2020


Just a follow up. They are not coaching the team this year. That said, doesn't anybody have helpful feedback for 91 white?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 12:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any input on JA or MH as coaches for 2018 white?


Run for the hills like 8 players per year did with 2020


Just a follow up. They are not coaching the team this year. That said, doesn't anybody have helpful feedback for 91 white?


2018 White will be probably be a solid B team this year. Last years White is now Orange. Probably a lot of new kids from Raiders and Stampede. Solid organization that everyone wants to play for. I am sure it will be a good season.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 02:12 PM
Run for the hills. 2018 White is very weak. Coaches ran and so have multiple players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/03/13 05:28 PM
but the new white is not the white of last year, they are now the new orange and orange is the new extreme (name only). so, orange (formerly white) will have a competitive season.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Run for the hills. 2018 White is very weak. Coaches ran and so have multiple players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/03/13 11:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
but the new white is not the white of last year, they are now the new orange and orange is the new extreme (name only). so, orange (formerly white) will have a competitive season.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Run for the hills. 2018 White is very weak. Coaches ran and so have multiple players.


Yes this years Orange will have a competitive team. Will actually be very strong 90% of last years white team is on Orange. The White team this year is very weak. It is the Extreme is the A team, Orange B, and White C, Stampede developmental. Lets forget the semantics of AA, and A and so on. In 91 world its just a nice way to put it that your son is on B team but we'll call the A a AA team and the B an A team. Yup its crazy.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/10/13 04:47 PM
91 - Express are so out to make a buck how many teams does 2018 have on 91 - Express ? $$$$$$$$$
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/10/13 07:05 PM
91 has four 2018 teams and Express has 3.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/10/13 08:11 PM
And this matters... why? If you don't like it, go to another club that has only 1 team. Both 91 and Express second teams are better than most single club teams. The third teams can hold their own and the fourth team, I know some of the kids, love playing and don't really care, they just do enjoy being with the other players and just have fun, which, by the way, should really be the focus around most of these club teams. Learn to play, play fair, respect each other and have fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 has four 2018 teams and Express has 3.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/10/13 09:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 - Express are so out to make a buck how many teams does 2018 have on 91 - Express ? $$$$$$$$$


I never understand the Express money comments. Express is 3 payments of 600. If you want to do the fall (like a lot not all clubs) it is extra. You can opt out if you choose and just pay the 1800. Further, they provide good coaching to teams outside their elite teams. For example, the head coaches at Kellenberg & Chaminade both coach Express B teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/16/13 09:48 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 - Express are so out to make a buck how many teams does 2018 have on 91 - Express ? $$$$$$$$$


I never understand the Express money comments. Express is 3 payments of 600. If you want to do the fall (like a lot not all clubs) it is extra. You can opt out if you choose and just pay the 1800. Further, they provide good coaching to teams outside their elite teams. For example, the head coaches at Kellenberg & Chaminade both coach Express B teams.

Just look at these coaches and how many teams they coach A/B means nothing it's all about the money!!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/20/13 06:38 PM
Does anybody know how the 2018 jesters did at HAVOC
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/20/13 07:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anybody know how the 2018 jesters did at HAVOC


Which one? Black (A) team was 1-1 when I left and playing the outlaws again to determine who would play 91 Orange in Championship game. Only 3 teams in A bracket. Green (B) team looks like it has some work to do
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/20/13 08:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anybody know how the 2018 jesters did at HAVOC


A team beat Outlaws 6-2, lost to 91 orange by 1, a game they were up by three in, lost to same Outlaw team by 1 in playoff game. Not a bad day. One goal away from Championship. Team will be very tough come summer, they will play everyone tight. Only three teams in A bracket.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/21/13 03:01 PM
[quote=Anonymous]And this matters... why? If you don't like it, go to another club that has only 1 team. Both 91 and Express second teams are better than most single club teams. The third teams can hold their own and the fourth team, I know some of the kids, love playing and don't really care, they just do enjoy being with the other players and just have fun, which, by the way, should really be the focus around most of these club teams. Learn to play, play fair, respect each other and have fun.

[quote=Anonymous]91 has four 2018 teams and Express has 3.


Both have two teams that are A level teams. Them the thirds are solid B teams. Not sure about fourth.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/22/13 01:22 PM
Is it too early to complain about how unfair the upcoming Brine NLC tryouts are? smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/22/13 04:21 PM
of course not... complain away!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/22/13 04:38 PM
Why do u think tryouts will be unfair? Let's be honest most of the Long Island team will be 2018's. I will be surprised to see 4 or 5 2019's. Who is coaching Long Island team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/22/13 05:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do u think tryouts will be unfair? Let's be honest most of the Long Island team will be 2018's. I will be surprised to see 4 or 5 2019's. Who is coaching Long Island team?


More importantly, who are the evaluators and what club affiliation do they have? Then you will be able to determine which kids are pre-determined to make it. Pretty much how it goes every year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/22/13 05:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do u think tryouts will be unfair? Let's be honest most of the Long Island team will be 2018's. I will be surprised to see 4 or 5 2019's. Who is coaching Long Island team?


Have you read the 2017 thread from after the roster was annouced following last year's tryout?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 12:59 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do u think tryouts will be unfair? Let's be honest most of the Long Island team will be 2018's. I will be surprised to see 4 or 5 2019's. Who is coaching Long Island team?


More importantly, who are the evaluators and what club affiliation do they have? Then you will be able to determine which kids are pre-determined to make it. Pretty much how it goes every year.


it will be dominated by 91 2018. Caputos son now plays for 91. No chance for anyone else. Plain and simple.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 02:43 AM
What is brine nlc tryouts?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 11:05 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do u think tryouts will be unfair? Let's be honest most of the Long Island team will be 2018's. I will be surprised to see 4 or 5 2019's. Who is coaching Long Island team?


More importantly, who are the evaluators and what club affiliation do they have? Then you will be able to determine which kids are pre-determined to make it. Pretty much how it goes every year.


it will be dominated by 91 2018. Caputos son now plays for 91. No chance for anyone else. Plain and simple.



Was that the player that was mysteriously added to the 2017 Long Island team last year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 12:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do u think tryouts will be unfair? Let's be honest most of the Long Island team will be 2018's. I will be surprised to see 4 or 5 2019's. Who is coaching Long Island team?


More importantly, who are the evaluators and what club affiliation do they have? Then you will be able to determine which kids are pre-determined to make it. Pretty much how it goes every year.


it will be dominated by 91 2018. Caputos son now plays for 91. No chance for anyone else. Plain and simple.


The kid lives in North Carolina. Coming up to play this summer in some tournaments. There are plenty of good 2018 kids out there that are NOT on the almighty 91 Extreme that will make this team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 02:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is brine nlc tryouts?


Google it...It is much easier then explaining what it is...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 03:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do u think tryouts will be unfair? Let's be honest most of the Long Island team will be 2018's. I will be surprised to see 4 or 5 2019's. Who is coaching Long Island team?


More importantly, who are the evaluators and what club affiliation do they have? Then you will be able to determine which kids are pre-determined to make it. Pretty much how it goes every year.


it will be dominated by 91 2018. Caputos son now plays for 91. No chance for anyone else. Plain and simple.



Was that the player that was mysteriously added to the 2017 Long Island team last year?

yes it was.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 07:10 PM
Can someone explain what is the brine national tryout is?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 07:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do u think tryouts will be unfair? Let's be honest most of the Long Island team will be 2018's. I will be surprised to see 4 or 5 2019's. Who is coaching Long Island team?


More importantly, who are the evaluators and what club affiliation do they have? Then you will be able to determine which kids are pre-determined to make it. Pretty much how it goes every year.


it will be dominated by 91 2018. Caputos son now plays for 91. No chance for anyone else. Plain and simple.




The kid lives in North Carolina. Coming up to play this summer in some tournaments. There are plenty of good 2018 kids out there that are NOT on the almighty 91 Extreme that will make this team.


yes you are correct but the point is if a director of Brine's son plays for 91 who do you think will get the nod. A 91 player. From past experience the players selected for this event are usually dominated by the players of the coaches making the selections.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 08:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do u think tryouts will be unfair? Let's be honest most of the Long Island team will be 2018's. I will be surprised to see 4 or 5 2019's. Who is coaching Long Island team?


More importantly, who are the evaluators and what club affiliation do they have? Then you will be able to determine which kids are pre-determined to make it. Pretty much how it goes every year.


it will be dominated by 91 2018. Caputos son now plays for 91. No chance for anyone else. Plain and simple.




The kid lives in North Carolina. Coming up to play this summer in some tournaments. There are plenty of good 2018 kids out there that are NOT on the almighty 91 Extreme that will make this team.


yes you are correct but the point is if a director of Brine's son plays for 91 who do you think will get the nod. A 91 player. From past experience the players selected for this event are usually dominated by the players of the coaches making the selections.


That is 100 percent correct. It happens the same way every year. You'd think Brine, a National Lacrosse brand, would want their name associated with a legit program. Why can't they bring in evaluators from outside the area with no ties to any clubs or High Schools? Should be simple to do?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 08:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do u think tryouts will be unfair? Let's be honest most of the Long Island team will be 2018's. I will be surprised to see 4 or 5 2019's. Who is coaching Long Island team?


More importantly, who are the evaluators and what club affiliation do they have? Then you will be able to determine which kids are pre-determined to make it. Pretty much how it goes every year.


it will be dominated by 91 2018. Caputos son now plays for 91. No chance for anyone else. Plain and simple.




The kid lives in North Carolina. Coming up to play this summer in some tournaments. There are plenty of good 2018 kids out there that are NOT on the almighty 91 Extreme that will make this team.


yes you are correct but the point is if a director of Brine's son plays for 91 who do you think will get the nod. A 91 player. From past experience the players selected for this event are usually dominated by the players of the coaches making the selections.


Excellent Point...I stand corrected!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/27/13 01:56 AM
if they did, they would have to charge a lot more for the tryout/eval as does the 3d organization. who is going to pay airfare and accommodations?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do u think tryouts will be unfair? Let's be honest most of the Long Island team will be 2018's. I will be surprised to see 4 or 5 2019's. Who is coaching Long Island team?


More importantly, who are the evaluators and what club affiliation do they have? Then you will be able to determine which kids are pre-determined to make it. Pretty much how it goes every year.


it will be dominated by 91 2018. Caputos son now plays for 91. No chance for anyone else. Plain and simple.




The kid lives in North Carolina. Coming up to play this summer in some tournaments. There are plenty of good 2018 kids out there that are NOT on the almighty 91 Extreme that will make this team.


yes you are correct but the point is if a director of Brine's son plays for 91 who do you think will get the nod. A 91 player. From past experience the players selected for this event are usually dominated by the players of the coaches making the selections.


That is 100 percent correct. It happens the same way every year. You'd think Brine, a National Lacrosse brand, would want their name associated with a legit program. Why can't they bring in evaluators from outside the area with no ties to any clubs or High Schools? Should be simple to do?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/27/13 02:07 AM
wow, what a broad generalization, it sounds like you are already making excused for your child and tryouts haven't even happened yet. if brine is in bed with 91, why were there one 2 or 3 91 players 2017/2018 on last years brine nationals team and why were the turtles so represented?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do u think tryouts will be unfair? Let's be honest most of the Long Island team will be 2018's. I will be surprised to see 4 or 5 2019's. Who is coaching Long Island team?


More importantly, who are the evaluators and what club affiliation do they have? Then you will be able to determine which kids are pre-determined to make it. Pretty much how it goes every year.


it will be dominated by 91 2018. Caputos son now plays for 91. No chance for anyone else. Plain and simple.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/27/13 02:08 AM
i believe Caputo's son is 2019, unless he was playing down with extreme last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do u think tryouts will be unfair? Let's be honest most of the Long Island team will be 2018's. I will be surprised to see 4 or 5 2019's. Who is coaching Long Island team?


More importantly, who are the evaluators and what club affiliation do they have? Then you will be able to determine which kids are pre-determined to make it. Pretty much how it goes every year.


it will be dominated by 91 2018. Caputos son now plays for 91. No chance for anyone else. Plain and simple.


The kid lives in North Carolina. Coming up to play this summer in some tournaments. There are plenty of good 2018 kids out there that are NOT on the almighty 91 Extreme that will make this team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/27/13 02:20 AM
Brine Nationals is an organization that goes around the country to select locations and holds tryout to for 24 team for middle school and high school, they all get together for four days of training and competition against the other regions at the soccerplex in MD, usually the last week of june thru first week of july. this is truly a great experience for both the MS and HS kids. they really get a chance to see how they measure with what is considered to be the best of other regions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can someone explain what is the brine national tryout is?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/27/13 02:29 AM
his younger son played with long island south, his 2018 son played with regional group. check your fact before stating general comments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
i believe Caputo's son is 2019, unless he was playing down with extreme last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do u think tryouts will be unfair? Let's be honest most of the Long Island team will be 2018's. I will be surprised to see 4 or 5 2019's. Who is coaching Long Island team?


More importantly, who are the evaluators and what club affiliation do they have? Then you will be able to determine which kids are pre-determined to make it. Pretty much how it goes every year.


it will be dominated by 91 2018. Caputos son now plays for 91. No chance for anyone else. Plain and simple.


The kid lives in North Carolina. Coming up to play this summer in some tournaments. There are plenty of good 2018 kids out there that are NOT on the almighty 91 Extreme that will make this team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/27/13 04:09 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
i believe Caputo's son is 2019, unless he was playing down with extreme last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do u think tryouts will be unfair? Let's be honest most of the Long Island team will be 2018's. I will be surprised to see 4 or 5 2019's. Who is coaching Long Island team?


More importantly, who are the evaluators and what club affiliation do they have? Then you will be able to determine which kids are pre-determined to make it. Pretty much how it goes every year.


it will be dominated by 91 2018. Caputos son now plays for 91. No chance for anyone else. Plain and simple.


The kid lives in North Carolina. Coming up to play this summer in some tournaments. There are plenty of good 2018 kids out there that are NOT on the almighty 91 Extreme that will make this team.

caputos son is 2018. Extreme is 2018. Caputos son plays for Extreme this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/27/13 04:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
wow, what a broad generalization, it sounds like you are already making excused for your child and tryouts haven't even happened yet. if brine is in bed with 91, why were there one 2 or 3 91 players 2017/2018 on last years brine nationals team and why were the turtles so represented?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do u think tryouts will be unfair? Let's be honest most of the Long Island team will be 2018's. I will be surprised to see 4 or 5 2019's. Who is coaching Long Island team?


More importantly, who are the evaluators and what club affiliation do they have? Then you will be able to determine which kids are pre-determined to make it. Pretty much how it goes every year.


it will be dominated by 91 2018. Caputos son now plays for 91. No chance for anyone else. Plain and simple.


Because the coaching representation changes yearly. This year his son plays for 91 Extreme a 2018 team and last year he didn't. No excuses just facts. A lot of players are selected by reputation not performance. Depends on who you play for and who's lawn you mow. Also doesn't hurt to have the directors son play for your team. If two players are close in talent who do you think will get the nod.This is not good for Brine a national brand. Wish they would bring in unbiased evaluators not coaches of local teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/27/13 06:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
wow, what a broad generalization, it sounds like you are already making excused for your child and tryouts haven't even happened yet. if brine is in bed with 91, why were there one 2 or 3 91 players 2017/2018 on last years brine nationals team and why were the turtles so represented?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do u think tryouts will be unfair? Let's be honest most of the Long Island team will be 2018's. I will be surprised to see 4 or 5 2019's. Who is coaching Long Island team?


More importantly, who are the evaluators and what club affiliation do they have? Then you will be able to determine which kids are pre-determined to make it. Pretty much how it goes every year.


it will be dominated by 91 2018. Caputos son now plays for 91. No chance for anyone else. Plain and simple.


Because the coaching representation changes yearly. This year his son plays for 91 Extreme a 2018 team and last year he didn't. No excuses just facts. A lot of players are selected by reputation not performance. Depends on who you play for and who's lawn you mow. Also doesn't hurt to have the directors son play for your team. If two players are close in talent who do you think will get the nod.This is not good for Brine a national brand. Wish they would bring in unbiased evaluators not coaches of local teams.


You're 100 percent correct. Last year in the HS tryout they had local HS coaches, not from strong programs. Just so happens 3 or 4 players from each HS coach got on the team. Imagine the chances??? It seems so simple to get non biased evaluators from outside the area. Certainly enough money involved to make that happen. Bit of a sham job... Good lesson for the kids in "it's who you know, not what you know". Happens in every facet of life.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/28/13 02:22 AM
the problem is it is an open tryout Anyone with checkbook can register. Given the number of players who need to be evaluated, there is a very high likelihood a great player can be missed and a marginal player can sneak by the evaluators

I actually think previous knowledge of player strength and weakness provides an improved evaluation process.

If this was not the case, colleges would not need to recruit they could simply tell interested HS school seniors to show up one weekend for a tryout and pick a recruit list from their own blind tryout
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/28/13 02:58 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
the problem is it is an open tryout Anyone with checkbook can register. Given the number of players who need to be evaluated, there is a very high likelihood a great player can be missed and a marginal player can sneak by the evaluators

I actually think previous knowledge of player strength and weakness provides an improved evaluation process.

If this was not the case, colleges would not need to recruit they could simply tell interested HS school seniors to show up one weekend for a tryout and pick a recruit list from their own blind tryout


Actually this year they limited it to 150 for 2018,2019,and 2020. Lets see if they actually do this. Just wish tryout was fair and not predetermined. It seems too often that players that play for the coaches doing the evaluations make it. There were a bunch last year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/28/13 10:10 AM
Then what about a great player that can't get on a big name A team because they still ccarry the coaches kid or the few that have been on the team since 4th grade. Open tryout gives ALL kids an fair chance. What are you afraid of ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/28/13 01:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Then what about a great player that can't get on a big name A team because they still ccarry the coaches kid or the few that have been on the team since 4th grade. Open tryout gives ALL kids an fair chance. What are you afraid of ?


An open tryout gives all a FAIR chance when the evaluators are not told which kids to pick, or pick those kids from their club. What don't you understand? Nothing to be afraid of... Just facing facts. There are kids that are on teams other than 91 xtreme that are just as big strong and talented. Just because they don't get picked for this sham team doesn't mean they won't get recruited in the coming years. No big deal. I promise you no college coach is going to recruit your son in the coming years just because he played on a certain team. The player needs to show his talent. This is why the individual showcases are becoming the venue of choice for many college coaches.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/28/13 08:00 PM
When nepotism exists, those positions filled unfairly will take away roster spots from deserving players regardless of the tryout method used. There are other points to consider too:

-Not all players with connections are undeserving of their roster spots.
-A two hour tryout is never fair considering that two hours is not a very long time. It is nearly impossible to whittle down from 150 to 25 (or even 50) with only two hours worth of lacrosse.
-A poor player can hide their weak spots for two hours
-A great player can lack the reps to showcase their greatness
-Height/Size is the 1st thing coaches will notice and I can tell you the team will be a lot taller than it should be given not all lacrosse skill, talent and heart is derived from height

A strong player should want both their two hour performance and their overall resume taken into consideration for team selection
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/28/13 09:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When nepotism exists, those positions filled unfairly will take away roster spots from deserving players regardless of the tryout method used. There are other points to consider too:

-Not all players with connections are undeserving of their roster spots.
-A two hour tryout is never fair considering that two hours is not a very long time. It is nearly impossible to whittle down from 150 to 25 (or even 50) with only two hours worth of lacrosse.
-A poor player can hide their weak spots for two hours
-A great player can lack the reps to showcase their greatness
-Height/Size is the 1st thing coaches will notice and I can tell you the team will be a lot taller than it should be given not all lacrosse skill, talent and heart is derived from height

A strong player should want both their two hour performance and their overall resume taken into consideration for team selection


I posted above. Please understand I am not inferring that all spots will be undeserving. Most will be very deserving. I agree with many of your points. Your point about size and hieght is interesting. It should be noted that the D1 landscape is changing in favor of bigger stonger players. As mentioned on this forum before, D1 lax is drawing more athletes that formerly would have pursed D1 football. Hence the size is ever increasing of the players being recruited. Just take a look at Lacrosse magazine that just came out. Front cover is dedicated to the training that College Lax players are doing. They are lifting like football players. I also understand that there are exceptions, and smaller sized players with insane skills can still compete at the highest level. (Sankey, Mathies) However the overall trend is towards bigger, stronger, faster players. To the posters point, this team will most likely echo the trend as it realtes to the size of the players chosen
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/05/13 01:08 PM
Has anyone else been on the 3d website recently? The application page shows that most grades/positions are still open.

Applications were orginally due the end of August with notificiations in mid-September. Very disappointed that this "highly competitive" event is not sold out.

Of course the registration fee which we eagerly paid back in September is non-refundable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have heard from a 2017 parent that it was a positive experience last year -- not from a recruiting or exposure standpoint, but from a development/competition standpoint.

One point, which I don't think I have seen mentioned, is exposure to a showcase type event at an early stage. Many kids are used to playing with their top travel teams. They run a set offense, everyone shares the ball and is familiar with each other. I think it is a benefit to break out of that environment and let the player compete in a showcase/tryout type environement where he is not going to be 100% comfortable with his teammates. Having this experience as a 2018 and when the recruiting pressure is not on, seems like a benefit, if you can deal with the cost.


I am a NJ Dad whose son went to 3D Blue Chip and then made it to the summer Jake Reed event. In my opinion, the event is NOT a recruiting event (even Jake Reed in the summer really isn't yet) nor should you expect it to be given the age. However, it was very well run, combined training/development with the boys' first showcase-type experience which will be valuable down the line, had a great coach to kid ratio, and the competition was pretty darn good. Also, for 8th graders, it is the ONLY way to get to the Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip summer event. That event is definately not the be-all and end-all for 8th graders/rising freshman come summer, but it is a great way to see where your son stands relative to the better players across the country and again get great showcase-type experience. The cost is another matter. Very expensive to do these events, however, if that is not a real issue, I would highly recommend both 3D Blue Chip and Jake Reed if you son is selected.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/12/13 01:51 PM
What is the appropriate number of times to hold your child back in order to get D1 looks?

I already red-shirted my boy in Kindergarten and will consider reclassifying him at the end of 8th grade.

Of course he is ready to do a post grad year at the end of HS.

-Typical Maryland Lax Dad
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/14/13 12:22 PM
Is there a round robin this weekend comprised of some the elite 2018 teams? Does anybody have info. Should be some quality lax.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/14/13 01:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the appropriate number of times to hold your child back in order to get D1 looks?

I already red-shirted my boy in Kindergarten and will consider reclassifying him at the end of 8th grade.

Of course he is ready to do a post grad year at the end of HS.

-Typical Maryland Lax Dad


He'll be at the drinking age as a freshman
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/14/13 01:35 PM
Bulldog Fall Classic (youth is saturday only) - mostly New England teams will have Team 91

fl$ in 3D (both days) - mostly MD teams will have fl$ (obviously)

both sites have team lists
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/14/13 01:45 PM
Yes At Kellenberg on Sunday. Express, 91, Team LI.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/14/13 08:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes At Kellenberg on Sunday. Express, 91, Team LI.

No it's express, 91, dukes, and superstar 365
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/15/13 02:17 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes At Kellenberg on Sunday. Express, 91, Team LI.

No it's express, 91, dukes, and superstar 365


And it's at Mitchell Field at 10am. Should be some good laxin
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/15/13 09:07 PM
Team LI also in the mix. Should be fun.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/15/13 09:46 PM
where is the schedule for this tournament and what is the name that is happening Sunday at Mitchell Field or Kellenberg
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/15/13 10:04 PM
this is not a tourney - it is a play date, couple of teams coming together for a round robin
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/15/13 10:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
where is the schedule for this tournament and what is the name that is happening Sunday at Mitchell Field or Kellenberg


Just some elite teams getting together for some lax.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/15/13 10:38 PM
thats great love to watch some games. what time are the games and where? playing at Mitchell or Kellenberg
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/16/13 11:45 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
thats great love to watch some games. what time are the games and where? playing at Mitchell or Kellenberg


mitchell starting at 10
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/17/13 02:24 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team LI also in the mix. Should be fun.


Not even close to same level!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/17/13 01:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
thats great love to watch some games. what time are the games and where? playing at Mitchell or Kellenberg


mitchell starting at 10



So how did the games go? Any one team dominate?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/17/13 04:35 PM
Would Team LI stop shooting their mouths off that 91 dodged them last year. Seriously you're embarrassing yourselves. 91 has their tournaments on the website early enough and did most of the same tournaments as the year before. So come and join them.
What changed? Team LI decided to go U. The industry is going grade based if you haven't noticed. Stop crying that everyone is cheating already. 91 played bigger (older) grade based teams and didn't cry about it, even after losing one of them. It's all about good lacrosse, win or lose.
91 played the best teams in the country last year at various tournaments. Played Express 3 or 4 times, who handily beat Team LI in the winter. Why would 91 be dodging you????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/17/13 05:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Would Team LI stop shooting their mouths off that 91 dodged them last year. Seriously you're embarrassing yourselves. 91 has their tournaments on the website early enough and did most of the same tournaments as the year before. So come and join them.
What changed? Team LI decided to go U. The industry is going grade based if you haven't noticed. Stop crying that everyone is cheating already. 91 played bigger (older) grade based teams and didn't cry about it, even after losing one of them. It's all about good lacrosse, win or lose.
91 played the best teams in the country last year at various tournaments. Played Express 3 or 4 times, who handily beat Team LI in the winter. Why would 91 be dodging you????


Ok. Who cares?
How did the games go yesterday? That was a good group of teams. Son not on any of those teams. Just wondering how they went? No negativity here, just the father of a 2018 with general lacrosse interest. Thx.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/17/13 08:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Would Team LI stop shooting their mouths off that 91 dodged them last year. Seriously you're embarrassing yourselves. 91 has their tournaments on the website early enough and did most of the same tournaments as the year before. So come and join them.
What changed? Team LI decided to go U. The industry is going grade based if you haven't noticed. Stop crying that everyone is cheating already. 91 played bigger (older) grade based teams and didn't cry about it, even after losing one of them. It's all about good lacrosse, win or lose.
91 played the best teams in the country last year at various tournaments. Played Express 3 or 4 times, who handily beat Team LI in the winter. Why would 91 be dodging you????


Ok. Who cares?
How did the games go yesterday? That was a good group of teams. Son not on any of those teams. Just wondering how they went? No negativity here, just the father of a 2018 with general lacrosse interest. Thx.


Watched the game between 2018 91 and Express Terps. I believe the score was 5 or 6 to 2 in favor of 91. Goals scored by 91 were 3 from Cuttin 1 Banford and 1 Caputo that I saw. Could have been more But didnt see them goals scored by Terps were in 2nd half. 91 was a bit bigger and stronger. Skills set of both these teams is amazing to watch. My son does not play for either of these programs but wanted to see the best play. Great game by both teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/17/13 09:52 PM
365 8-6 over terps , TLI 13-3 over terps.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/17/13 10:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
365 8-6 over terps , TLI 13-3 over terps.


Team LI played? What happened to Dukes?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/17/13 10:38 PM
91 went 3 and 0 beat TERPS 6 2, 365 8 3 and dukes 10 5. Great completion and great day
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 03:47 AM
Isn't Team LI an U-15 Team with ninth graders on it ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 12:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Isn't Team LI an U-15 Team with ninth graders on it ?

No they are a u - 14 team. They have 3 or 4) young 9th graders that would be in 8th grade if their parents held them back like most of the other kids who are playing on the 2018 teams. The age breakdown is the same. In other words it's a fair fight!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 01:01 PM
Wondering if that was a mixed team for the Terps? Looked to have some smaller kids on the team. I know some of the regulars were there, while I noticed at least one pole missing from last year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 01:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Isn't Team LI an U-15 Team with ninth graders on it ?

No they are a u - 14 team. They have 3 or 4) young 9th graders that would be in 8th grade if their parents held them back like most of the other kids who are playing on the 2018 teams. The age breakdown is the same. In other words it's a fair fight!


Oh. They would be 8th graders "if" they were held back. So they are actually HS kids playing against 8th graders. That clears things up. You play up to the grade of oldest player. u14? I've never seen a u 14 bracket in a tournent. Our 2018 went from u13 right to u15
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 01:34 PM
Terps got beat in every game...My son is on the team and the boys (mine included) didn't play well. Sloppy and slow. Some days the ball doesnt bounce your way.

Lost to 91, dukes, 365 and Team li. First time in our 4 years to have lost 4 in a row...

Boys never quit so so that sloppy play will be a lesson to them.

Great competition and importantly, all parents and kids were well behaved...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 01:46 PM
They were born after August 31st, 1999. That is US Lacrosse's definition for U14. If understanding this concept is really that difficult, I suggest that you invest in tutors for your son. US Lacrosse wants age based, not grade based play. Red-shirt Kindergarten, 8th grade I in Public School, Eighth grade II in Catholic school. 2016 becomes 2018. Don't wine about getting beaten by kids the same age or younger just because their parents follow NYS educational guidelines instead of making up their own.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 01:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Isn't Team LI an U-15 Team with ninth graders on it ?

No they are a u - 14 team. They have 3 or 4) young 9th graders that would be in 8th grade if their parents held them back like most of the other kids who are playing on the 2018 teams. The age breakdown is the same. In other words it's a fair fight!


Oh. They would be 8th graders "if" they were held back. So they are actually HS kids playing against 8th graders. That clears things up. You play up to the grade of oldest player. u14? I've never seen a u 14 bracket in a tournent. Our 2018 went from u13 right to u15


So where are your 8th graders playing this year ?? They don't qualify for u13?? Oh ,guess that would be u15 then.

Check your website were every kid is listed as u14 eligible. Assuming this is a 91 parent who is the only team that doesn't understand, what the [lacrosse] does the grade matter if the kids are the same age. Does taking algebra help their lax game ?



Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 01:57 PM
Team made up of players born on or after 9/1/99. The U-15 team is made up of players born on or after 9/1/98. Both teams play U-15 because there are no U-14 bracket. U-14 team will play U-15 for 2 years then move to U-17. System keeps the teams together year to year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 02:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Isn't Team LI an U-15 Team with ninth graders on it ?

No they are a u - 14 team. They have 3 or 4) young 9th graders that would be in 8th grade if their parents held them back like most of the other kids who are playing on the 2018 teams. The age breakdown is the same. In other words it's a fair fight!


Oh. They would be 8th graders "if" they were held back. So they are actually HS kids playing against 8th graders. That clears things up. You play up to the grade of oldest player. u14? I've never seen a u 14 bracket in a tournent. Our 2018 went from u13 right to u15


There are 5 8th graders on the u15 team. I know one of the players. The rest are in 9th grade. Fact!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 02:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Isn't Team LI an U-15 Team with ninth graders on it ?

No they are a u - 14 team. They have 3 or 4) young 9th graders that would be in 8th grade if their parents held them back like most of the other kids who are playing on the 2018 teams. The age breakdown is the same. In other words it's a fair fight!


Oh. They would be 8th graders "if" they were held back. So they are actually HS kids playing against 8th graders. That clears things up. You play up to the grade of oldest player. u14? I've never seen a u 14 bracket in a tournent. Our 2018 went from u13 right to u15


Ok let me get this straight, you are complaining that you have to play kids that are the SAME age as kids on your team? Are you upset that you may not get the full advantage for your son you thought you would have had by holing him back? FYI if you didn't hold him back he would be playing in High School too genius! But that is ok because you say so? comical. Just for fun, go ask the parents of the 2018 Elite teams how many kids they have that were born in 1999. Then go look at the Dukes roster and all the Maryland teams then tell me how unfair TLI is!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 03:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Isn't Team LI an U-15 Team with ninth graders on it ?

No they are a u - 14 team. They have 3 or 4) young 9th graders that would be in 8th grade if their parents held them back like most of the other kids who are playing on the 2018 teams. The age breakdown is the same. In other words it's a fair fight!


Oh. They would be 8th graders "if" they were held back. So they are actually HS kids playing against 8th graders. That clears things up. You play up to the grade of oldest player. u14? I've never seen a u 14 bracket in a tournent. Our 2018 went from u13 right to u15


Yes you are right an that's why last year TLI played in the 2017 bracket in the grade level tournaments and the U-13 in the others. It is a shame they weren't allowed in the 2018 (because the kids are the same AGE) because it would have made for better competition for all the kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 03:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Isn't Team LI an U-15 Team with ninth graders on it ?

No they are a u - 14 team. They have 3 or 4) young 9th graders that would be in 8th grade if their parents held them back like most of the other kids who are playing on the 2018 teams. The age breakdown is the same. In other words it's a fair fight!


Oh. They would be 8th graders "if" they were held back. So they are actually HS kids playing against 8th graders. That clears things up. You play up to the grade of oldest player. u14? I've never seen a u 14 bracket in a tournent. Our 2018 went from u13 right to u15


There are 5 8th graders on the u15 team. I know one of the players. The rest are in 9th grade. Fact!


I think you have this backwards , unless your talking about a different team, team Long Island u14 whites has about 4 or 5 9th graders on the team , the rest are 8th.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Terps got beat in every game...My son is on the team and the boys (mine included) didn't play well. Sloppy and slow. Some days the ball doesnt bounce your way.

Lost to 91, dukes, 365 and Team li. First time in our 4 years to have lost 4 in a row...

Boys never quit so so that sloppy play will be a lesson to them.

Great competition and importantly, all parents and kids were well behaved...


Channy will get them playing well, overall good team and a great coach. Just a few fall ball games.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 04:04 PM
This conversation is very repetitive but always entertaining

Rules governing US Lacrosse - U-14 does not exist but often U-15B is assumed to be U-14

Age based event - grade does not matter and team is placed based on age of oldest player

Grade based event - grade does not matter team is placed based on highest grade of its players

Informal playday - coaches have evaluated each other's squads and agree that the scrimmaging is in the best interest of the participants of both teams (perhaps with knowledge of each other's irregular roster players)

In all events tournament directors have accountability to enforce rules and allowance to slightly bend them. Within reason this happens everywhere (especially Maryland - LOL) - once a tournament director decides it is okay for a given team to play in a given bracket, that team is no longer playing down regardless of what the bracket is called.

Alternatively, if a club or parent were to misrepresent the age and/or grade of their players and work outside the rules, they are creating an unsafe playing field and opening themselves up to accuastions of fraud and in the extreme reckless endangerment
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 05:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wondering if that was a mixed team for the Terps? Looked to have some smaller kids on the team. I know some of the regulars were there, while I noticed at least one pole missing from last year.

Not a mixed team two or three players on Terps are very small. Very skilled but their lack of size right now is hurting them. Watched the 91 and Terp 2018 game and both teams also have some very big boys for their age group. I know two players who are 2018 on 91 because my son is friends with both of them and they are easily over 6 foot and two attack for the Terps are very small so it looked really like the size diference was even greater when they were playing at the same time.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 06:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This conversation is very repetitive but always entertaining

Rules governing US Lacrosse - U-14 does not exist but often U-15B is assumed to be U-14

Age based event - grade does not matter and team is placed based on age of oldest player

Grade based event - grade does not matter team is placed based on highest grade of its players

Informal playday - coaches have evaluated each other's squads and agree that the scrimmaging is in the best interest of the participants of both teams (perhaps with knowledge of each other's irregular roster players)

In all events tournament directors have accountability to enforce rules and allowance to slightly bend them. Within reason this happens everywhere (especially Maryland - LOL) - once a tournament director decides it is okay for a given team to play in a given bracket, that team is no longer playing down regardless of what the bracket is called.

Alternatively, if a club or parent were to misrepresent the age and/or grade of their players and work outside the rules, they are creating an unsafe playing field and opening themselves up to accuastions of fraud and in the extreme reckless endangerment


...In all events tournament directors have accountability to enforce rules and allowance to slightly bend them. Within reason this happens everywhere (especially Maryland - LOL) - once a tournament director decides it is okay for a given team to play in a given bracket, that team is no longer playing down regardless of what the bracket is called.


I ma not sure about that one. Who is ensuring the tournament. They are the ones who have made the parameters. and those parameters are not to be bent or discretionary.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 07:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Isn't Team LI an U-15 Team with ninth graders on it ?

No they are a u - 14 team. They have 3 or 4) young 9th graders that would be in 8th grade if their parents held them back like most of the other kids who are playing on the 2018 teams. The age breakdown is the same. In other words it's a fair fight!


Our team is mostly born in 2000 and we play as 2018, under your logic we should be entering them in girls 2019 tournaments because if we held him back like they do in Maryland and they didn't have testicles they would be a 2019 girls
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 08:01 PM
The age versus grade discussion was a big topic at Kellenberg yesterday - here are a few thoughts:

1. 2018 LI club teams are basically grade based. TLI has a handful of 9th graders, but they are young ninth graders. Express apparently has a couple of ninth graders too. Whether they do or don't isn't my point - my point is that when 91/TLI/Express play, kids are basically the same age; the disputes can be measured in months and whether someone stayed back by a month or two. It's one of the best things about LI lax - it is a pretty fair playing field on the issue of age.

2. The rest of the lax world - Baltimore, Philadelphia, Boston to name three spots - is also grade based, but many of those kids go to private schools and stay back a year or start formal schooling later. Anyone who watched the 8th grade Dukes team play any of the other teams yesterday could have seen this. Apparently there are four 1998 birthdate 8th graders on that team. They were very mature and much larger than Express, 91 or Superstar - it was really obvious.

3. US Lacrosse may want age based lacrosse, but the world is going grade based. College coaches don't care how old you are - they care what grade you're in.

4. So what does it mean? Well, if you play for a LI club team, be prepared to be playing against older kids when you leave the island. The age discrepancies between the big LI clubs are way less than they are between LI clubs and those of other metropolitan areas. When LI clubs play against Dukes, Crabs and Laxachusetts they are playing against older kids, and it's only going to get worse.





1.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This conversation is very repetitive but always entertaining

Rules governing US Lacrosse - U-14 does not exist but often U-15B is assumed to be U-14

Age based event - grade does not matter and team is placed based on age of oldest player

Grade based event - grade does not matter team is placed based on highest grade of its players

Informal playday - coaches have evaluated each other's squads and agree that the scrimmaging is in the best interest of the participants of both teams (perhaps with knowledge of each other's irregular roster players)

In all events tournament directors have accountability to enforce rules and allowance to slightly bend them. Within reason this happens everywhere (especially Maryland - LOL) - once a tournament director decides it is okay for a given team to play in a given bracket, that team is no longer playing down regardless of what the bracket is called.

Alternatively, if a club or parent were to misrepresent the age and/or grade of their players and work outside the rules, they are creating an unsafe playing field and opening themselves up to accuastions of fraud and in the extreme reckless endangerment
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 10:21 PM
Best sum up of the age vs grade based debate yet. Well put
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 10:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team LI also in the mix. Should be fun.


Not even close to same level!!

Really? as who?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 10:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team LI also in the mix. Should be fun.


Not even close to same level!!

Really? as who?


How did they do?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/19/13 12:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team LI also in the mix. Should be fun.


Not even close to same level!!

Really? as who?


How did they do?


They beat the Terps (2018) 13-3 so I think that qualifies them to being " close to the same level".
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/19/13 01:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The age versus grade discussion was a big topic at Kellenberg yesterday - here are a few thoughts:

1. 2018 LI club teams are basically grade based. TLI has a handful of 9th graders, but they are young ninth graders. Express apparently has a couple of ninth graders too. Whether they do or don't isn't my point - my point is that when 91/TLI/Express play, kids are basically the same age; the disputes can be measured in months and whether someone stayed back by a month or two. It's one of the best things about LI lax - it is a pretty fair playing field on the issue of age.

2. The rest of the lax world - Baltimore, Philadelphia, Boston to name three spots - is also grade based, but many of those kids go to private schools and stay back a year or start formal schooling later. Anyone who watched the 8th grade Dukes team play any of the other teams yesterday could have seen this. Apparently there are four 1998 birthdate 8th graders on that team. They were very mature and much larger than Express, 91 or Superstar - it was really obvious.

3. US Lacrosse may want age based lacrosse, but the world is going grade based. College coaches don't care how old you are - they care what grade you're in.

4. So what does it mean? Well, if you play for a LI club team, be prepared to be playing against older kids when you leave the island. The age discrepancies between the big LI clubs are way less than they are between LI clubs and those of other metropolitan areas. When LI clubs play against Dukes, Crabs and Laxachusetts they are playing against older kids, and it's only going to get worse.





1.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This conversation is very repetitive but always entertaining

Rules governing US Lacrosse - U-14 does not exist but often U-15B is assumed to be U-14

Age based event - grade does not matter and team is placed based on age of oldest player

Grade based event - grade does not matter team is placed based on highest grade of its players

Informal playday - coaches have evaluated each other's squads and agree that the scrimmaging is in the best interest of the participants of both teams (perhaps with knowledge of each other's irregular roster players)

In all events tournament directors have accountability to enforce rules and allowance to slightly bend them. Within reason this happens everywhere (especially Maryland - LOL) - once a tournament director decides it is okay for a given team to play in a given bracket, that team is no longer playing down regardless of what the bracket is called.

Alternatively, if a club or parent were to misrepresent the age and/or grade of their players and work outside the rules, they are creating an unsafe playing field and opening themselves up to accuastions of fraud and in the extreme reckless endangerment


It will only get worse until lacrosse goes strictly by birthdate. Then, it will get much much better. Other sports are strictly age based, and it works just fine. My son will be out of this ridiculous system by then, but it would be great to see the reaction from that crop of hold-back parents ... "it's not fair". Whaaaaaah.

Picture if "age only" restrictions materialized tomorrow, with no grandfathering. Where would the 1998 and early-1999 birthdate hold-back 2018/8th graders be able to play? They would be off any current 2018 team for sure, and the 1998s may not even qualify for a 2017 team. How would these "superstar" 8th graders fare against HS Freshmen? Against Sophomores?

Also, by the time these "standouts" are HS juniors (and playing varsity lacrosse), they would not qualify for any age based club team. There would be no home for the 19 year old junior in "youth" summer lacrosse. They would effectively be playing ball for the high school in their junior and senior years, and nowhere else. And maybe not even there -- although I don't see high schools going to strictly age based, but who knows.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/19/13 02:33 PM
Spring 2021 will be the College Junior Season for our 2018s. Age appropriate boys will be 20-21 years old at that point.

The ACC rosters will be full of 24-25 year olds. The kindergarten redshirts, 8th grade reclassifiers, post graduate prep schoolers will all be collegiate redshirters too. ACC teams will be full of these underachievers who used the physical benefits of going to school late as their sole advantage. The ACC squads (and some select others) will stink.

My boy and yours will be at a "Lower Tier" D1 school in the 3rd of his four years in college (no redshirt for us). He will work hard on the field and off as he always has and he play with fire in his belly. He will win a national championship AND earn a degree in four years AND be ready to face the real world by the time he turns 22!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/19/13 03:24 PM
Wow. Nostradamus has spoken.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/19/13 03:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team LI also in the mix. Should be fun.


Not even close to same level!!

Really? as who?


How did they do?


They beat the Terps (2018) 13-3 so I think that qualifies them to being " close to the same level".


They only played one game? Is the Blue or White U14 team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/19/13 04:24 PM
Not to make excuses for the terps poor play, but when they played Team LI, it was their fourth game of the day and tha one was on no rest. So they played, 91 at 10, dukes at 12, 365 at 2 and then team LI at 3pm

team LI didnt play any other games and all other terp games were at least games.

Nothing taken away from team LI, they are a good solid team and can compete with anyone, but dont let the 13-3 score go to your heads...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/19/13 04:43 PM
This from a "man" whining that his son is playing kids with more advanced algebra skills? I suggest that you check the contents of your own panties and stay out of our kids locker room.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Isn't Team LI an U-15 Team with ninth graders on it ?

No they are a u - 14 team. They have 3 or 4) young 9th graders that would be in 8th grade if their parents held them back like most of the other kids who are playing on the 2018 teams. The age breakdown is the same. In other words it's a fair fight!


Our team is mostly born in 2000 and we play as 2018, under your logic we should be entering them in girls 2019 tournaments because if we held him back like they do in Maryland and they didn't have testicles they would be a 2019 girls
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/19/13 05:07 PM
US Lacrosse has clearly led by non-example and has not attempted to enforce their own rules and are being led around by the clubs. It is a shame considering ALL of the travel players are members of US Lacrosse but they do nothing to protect the membership. The tail is wagging the dog here. Not sure what the issue is and I have written US Lacrosse to no avail. It is simple for US Lacrosse, do not issue insurance if you do not comply..simple the end. Maybe having the headquarters in Baltimore where much of the age "discrepancies" originate is the issue...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/19/13 05:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not to make excuses for the terps poor play, but when they played Team LI, it was their fourth game of the day and tha one was on no rest. So they played, 91 at 10, dukes at 12, 365 at 2 and then team LI at 3pm

team LI didnt play any other games and all other terp games were at least games.

Nothing taken away from team LI, they are a good solid team and can compete with anyone, but dont let the 13-3 score go to your heads...


If they have 9th graders on team, and are as competitive as you say, and it appears, they should play 2017. They shouldn't be playing 2018 teams or 8th grade brackets.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/19/13 05:43 PM
First of all they do play 2017, it depends on the tournament guidelines, if its grade based they play 2017, if its age based its 2018. Also Team LI played a game before the 2018 express game they played the 2017 express team, it was 3-2 at half and express won 8-3. No one on Team LI is letting anything go to there head, so i am not sure what that comment meant. I think a lot of teams that play in the fall are just getting used to the new players and coaches. I would not hold to much stock in these games.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/19/13 05:47 PM
If you have 8th graders on your team, who are only 8th graders because they were held back, and are competitive as you think, you should play 2017 with other kids the same age. Same old story, wah, wah, wah. Why don't you follow the lead of your team's coaches and directors. They know the make-up of the other major teams and have no problem playing against eachother.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not to make excuses for the terps poor play, but when they played Team LI, it was their fourth game of the day and tha one was on no rest. So they played, 91 at 10, dukes at 12, 365 at 2 and then team LI at 3pm

team LI didnt play any other games and all other terp games were at least games.

Nothing taken away from team LI, they are a good solid team and can compete with anyone, but dont let the 13-3 score go to your heads...


If they have 9th graders on team, and are as competitive as you say, and it appears, they should play 2017. They shouldn't be playing 2018 teams or 8th grade brackets.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/19/13 05:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not to make excuses for the terps poor play, but when they played Team LI, it was their fourth game of the day and tha one was on no rest. So they played, 91 at 10, dukes at 12, 365 at 2 and then team LI at 3pm

team LI didnt play any other games and all other terp games were at least games.

Nothing taken away from team LI, they are a good solid team and can compete with anyone, but dont let the 13-3 score go to your heads...


Just because you type "not to make excuses" doesn't make readers ignore the fact that you then make excuses.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/19/13 05:51 PM
All of the teams at Mitchell field on Sunday play at a very high level. Its not about winning or loosing games or championships. All of these teams are playing at a level that will attract college coaches to the sideline. That is what we are looking for isn't it ? Coaches don't care who won. They don't even keep track of scores. Just looking for athletes to fill rosters. Stop all the BS. Be proud of the fact that your kids are on one of these elite teams. Try to teach my son to fight hard and respect the game. Kids will make bonds that will last a lifetime with teammates and opponents.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/19/13 07:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of the teams at Mitchell field on Sunday play at a very high level. Its not about winning or loosing games or championships. All of these teams are playing at a level that will attract college coaches to the sideline. That is what we are looking for isn't it ? Coaches don't care who won. They don't even keep track of scores. Just looking for athletes to fill rosters. Stop all the BS. Be proud of the fact that your kids are on one of these elite teams. Try to teach my son to fight hard and respect the game. Kids will make bonds that will last a lifetime with teammates and opponents.


VERY well put - there are some out there that get it...kudos
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/19/13 11:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of the teams at Mitchell field on Sunday play at a very high level. Its not about winning or loosing games or championships. All of these teams are playing at a level that will attract college coaches to the sideline. That is what we are looking for isn't it ? Coaches don't care who won. They don't even keep track of scores. Just looking for athletes to fill rosters. Stop all the BS. Be proud of the fact that your kids are on one of these elite teams. Try to teach my son to fight hard and respect the game. Kids will make bonds that will last a lifetime with teammates and opponents.


***** SARCASM ALERT *************

Wow - nice example, teach your kids to fight, very nice, and if your from Baltimore you probably held them back so they could fight kids a year younger.... actual - great post
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/20/13 02:02 AM
If Team long island has young 9th grade kids why are they playing in 7-8 grade bracket for mustang showcase?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/20/13 03:13 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Team long island has young 9th grade kids why are they playing in 7-8 grade bracket for mustang showcase?


Exactly. They have four teams at this age group. At least the A team should move up and play with JV. Doesn't make sense.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/20/13 11:48 AM
Where did you find the schedule ? I didn't think it was out yet. Couldn't find it on line.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/20/13 12:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Team long island has young 9th grade kids why are they playing in 7-8 grade bracket for mustang showcase?


Exactly. They have four teams at this age group. At least the A team should move up and play with JV. Doesn't make sense.

The A Team is playing JV. The others don't have ninth graders. Why is there so much concern over playing kids the same age as your son. If your coach or directors thought it was unfair they would say something. The funny thing is that TLI plays to the oldest/highest grade kid anyway! THEY DON"T CHEAT! The controversy has been that they have not been able to play their SAME age kids in grade level tournaments. The other AA 2018 teams would want to play them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/20/13 12:22 PM
What does it mean to be in 9th grade? If you are a young 9th grader who turns 14 in November, you could have been placed in 8th grade, and the other way around. It is about age not grade, if all the players on the field are the same age what difference does the grade make except when they graduate. There are kids on 2018 teams that are older then kids on 2017 teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/20/13 12:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What does it mean to be in 9th grade? If you are a young 9th grader who turns 14 in November, you could have been placed in 8th grade, and the other way around. It is about age not grade, if all the players on the field are the same age what difference does the grade make except when they graduate. There are kids on 2018 teams that are older then kids on 2017 teams.


It matters because those are the rules we chose to play by on LI. This is a 7/8 tournament. Not a u14 (which is not real age group) The line has to be drawn somewhere. They certainly could have stayed back but they didn't. If they are true A team with some 9th graders they should at least be in JV B division. Not playing with 7th graders! Them when a 2018 team plays U15 this summer out of state, they will be at slight disadvantage but playing where they belong. Not customizing the rules that work best for them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/20/13 12:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Team long island has young 9th grade kids why are they playing in 7-8 grade bracket for mustang showcase?


Exactly. They have four teams at this age group. At least the A team should move up and play with JV. Doesn't make sense.


91 has the team numbers posted on their website last night but not the schedule yet. I'm guessing it was sent around by them to create this uproar.

Don't worry, there is no "ship" this week , it's a fall recruiting tournament, you should be looking to play the best competition.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/20/13 12:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Team long island has young 9th grade kids why are they playing in 7-8 grade bracket for mustang showcase?


Exactly. They have four teams at this age group. At least the A team should move up and play with JV. Doesn't make sense.

The A Team is playing JV. The others don't have ninth graders. Why is there so much concern over playing kids the same age as your son. If your coach or directors thought it was unfair they would say something. The funny thing is that TLI plays to the oldest/highest grade kid anyway! THEY DON"T CHEAT! The controversy has been that they have not been able to play their SAME age kids in grade level tournaments. The other AA 2018 teams would want to play them.


I have to agree with the Team LI folks here. I'm a big advocate of aged based play. Seems to me, Team LI has taken a leadership position on this issue. Quite frankly, I think all LI teams should follow their lead. Also, it is no secret that the other top A teams out there have kids that would, by age qualify to be in 9th grade. That's just a fact. So before you start casting dispersions on Team LI, check all the birthdates of the kids on your own team. I think you'd be shocked. Please don't come back on here and say any different. Everyone knows who the older kids are and the PAL rosters from a few years ago don't lie. I'm also not talking about kids who missed the cut off by a month or two, who would qualify under US lax rules. If anyone wants to focus on age, there are plenty of teams from MD and PA where kids are 1 to 2 years older. Focus on them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/20/13 12:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What does it mean to be in 9th grade? If you are a young 9th grader who turns 14 in November, you could have been placed in 8th grade, and the other way around. It is about age not grade, if all the players on the field are the same age what difference does the grade make except when they graduate. There are kids on 2018 teams that are older then kids on 2017 teams.


It matters because those are the rules we chose to play by on LI. This is a 7/8 tournament. Not a u14 (which is not real age group) The line has to be drawn somewhere. They certainly could have stayed back but they didn't. If they are true A team with some 9th graders they should at least be in JV B division. Not playing with 7th graders! Them when a 2018 team plays U15 this summer out of state, they will be at slight disadvantage but playing where they belong. Not customizing the rules that work best for them.

They ARE in the JV ! Check your information before you start crying! don't worry your son won't have to play those big bad 9th graders that are probably younger than him!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/20/13 12:45 PM
Think your confused. The U-14 White team is playing in the JV bracket. Always play up to the grade of oldest player if not higher. Not sure what your problem is with this team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/20/13 12:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Team long island has young 9th grade kids why are they playing in 7-8 grade bracket for mustang showcase?


Exactly. They have four teams at this age group. At least the A team should move up and play with JV. Doesn't make sense.

Hey Einstein! The 4th team in the age group is the U-13 (mostly 7th grade group)!!! U-14 White (The A team) is playing JV.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/20/13 12:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What does it mean to be in 9th grade? If you are a young 9th grader who turns 14 in November, you could have been placed in 8th grade, and the other way around. It is about age not grade, if all the players on the field are the same age what difference does the grade make except when they graduate. There are kids on 2018 teams that are older then kids on 2017 teams.


It matters because those are the rules we chose to play by on LI. This is a 7/8 tournament. Not a u14 (which is not real age group) The line has to be drawn somewhere. They certainly could have stayed back but they didn't. If they are true A team with some 9th graders they should at least be in JV B division. Not playing with 7th graders! Them when a 2018 team plays U15 this summer out of state, they will be at slight disadvantage but playing where they belong. Not customizing the rules that work best for them.

BTW who is we? I never saw a ballot sheet! As far as I know the only governing body is US lacrosse, an they want U base teams! So if a tournament director wants to "customize the rules", its his tournament! He has every right to, As long as the kids safety isn't compromise and the teams are placed in the appropriate (competition level). Then common sense should take precedence!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/20/13 01:12 PM
Wow what an uproar, and it sounds like based on in correct information....why so concerned about this 1 team?

I haven't seen the schedule but have been told the U14 team would be entered into the JV bracket, if they are not, I would guess it would be the tournaments decision but based on the previous post, it sounds they are in the JV bracket.

Just to end all the complaining, I know this has been mentioned a number of times, but the team has always played by the tournament rules, last year the entered the following tournaments:
Big Time Shootout - 2017
NXT Cup - 2017
Yale - U13
Hershey - U13
Stonybrook - 2017

So the next time you guys want to complain about this team again, please come back and read this thread again. Hopefully it will clarify how the team plays age and grade appropriate.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/20/13 01:14 PM
2018 means 2018!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/20/13 02:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow what an uproar, and it sounds like based on in correct information....why so concerned about this 1 team?

I haven't seen the schedule but have been told the U14 team would be entered into the JV bracket, if they are not, I would guess it would be the tournaments decision but based on the previous post, it sounds they are in the JV bracket.

Just to end all the complaining, I know this has been mentioned a number of times, but the team has always played by the tournament rules, last year the entered the following tournaments:
Big Time Shootout - 2017
NXT Cup - 2017
Yale - U13
Hershey - U13
Stonybrook - 2017

So the next time you guys want to complain about this team again, please come back and read this thread again. Hopefully it will clarify how the team plays age and grade appropriate.


BTW...They did get their butts kicked against the 2017 Terps...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/20/13 02:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 means 2018!

and...
stupid means stupid
cry baby means cry baby
Held back means Held back

Please read the previous post! They have NEVER played in a 2018 division! Why are you so focused on this one teams schedule????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/20/13 02:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Team long island has young 9th grade kids why are they playing in 7-8 grade bracket for mustang showcase?


Exactly. They have four teams at this age group. At least the A team should move up and play with JV. Doesn't make sense.

The A Team is playing JV. The others don't have ninth graders. Why is there so much concern over playing kids the same age as your son. If your coach or directors thought it was unfair they would say something. The funny thing is that TLI plays to the oldest/highest grade kid anyway! THEY DON"T CHEAT! The controversy has been that they have not been able to play their SAME age kids in grade level tournaments. The other AA 2018 teams would want to play them.


I have to agree with the Team LI folks here. I'm a big advocate of aged based play. Seems to me, Team LI has taken a leadership position on this issue. Quite frankly, I think all LI teams should follow their lead. Also, it is no secret that the other top A teams out there have kids that would, by age qualify to be in 9th grade. That's just a fact. So before you start casting dispersions on Team LI, check all the birthdates of the kids on your own team. I think you'd be shocked. Please don't come back on here and say any different. Everyone knows who the older kids are and the PAL rosters from a few years ago don't lie. I'm also not talking about kids who missed the cut off by a month or two, who would qualify under US lax rules. If anyone wants to focus on age, there are plenty of teams from MD and PA where kids are 1 to 2 years older. Focus on them.


Some of the boys from my town that appear on the fl$ 2018 roster are well known in the athletic community here as hold-backs, with 1999 birthdays well within the 9th grade/2017 age range. It isn't just the MD and CO and CA and New England teams that do this ... they just do more of it than the Long Island clubs, by stacking their teams with hold-backs.

Hold-backs will eventually become the norm on Long Island select teams, unless an age-based requirement is imposed soon. No way the LI "lax daddies" will let LI lacrosse erode to the point where their boys can't compete in the summer against the MD and NE teams. 91 and Express will start taking more hold-backs, and probably actively recruit them (if they are not already).

This is inevitable, absent a sweeping rule change. Once you open the door for this kind of behavior, it becomes a "race to the bottom". And the bottom is closer than you think.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/20/13 02:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow what an uproar, and it sounds like based on in correct information....why so concerned about this 1 team?

I haven't seen the schedule but have been told the U14 team would be entered into the JV bracket, if they are not, I would guess it would be the tournaments decision but based on the previous post, it sounds they are in the JV bracket.

Just to end all the complaining, I know this has been mentioned a number of times, but the team has always played by the tournament rules, last year the entered the following tournaments:
Big Time Shootout - 2017
NXT Cup - 2017
Yale - U13
Hershey - U13
Stonybrook - 2017

So the next time you guys want to complain about this team again, please come back and read this thread again. Hopefully it will clarify how the team plays age and grade appropriate.


BTW...They did get their butts kicked against the 2017 Terps...

ha ha - you are a clown- do you feel better posting that... game was 3-2 TLI up at half...first game in Fall - how did your team do playing down? win all your fall games? awesome - so proud
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/20/13 03:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What does it mean to be in 9th grade? If you are a young 9th grader who turns 14 in November, you could have been placed in 8th grade, and the other way around. It is about age not grade, if all the players on the field are the same age what difference does the grade make except when they graduate. There are kids on 2018 teams that are older then kids on 2017 teams.


It matters because those are the rules we chose to play by on LI. This is a 7/8 tournament. Not a u14 (which is not real age group) The line has to be drawn somewhere. They certainly could have stayed back but they didn't. If they are true A team with some 9th graders they should at least be in JV B division. Not playing with 7th graders! Them when a 2018 team plays U15 this summer out of state, they will be at slight disadvantage but playing where they belong. Not customizing the rules that work best for them.

BTW who is we? I never saw a ballot sheet! As far as I know the only governing body is US lacrosse, an they want U base teams! So if a tournament director wants to "customize the rules", its his tournament! He has every right to, As long as the kids safety isn't compromise and the teams are placed in the appropriate (competition level). Then common sense should take precedence!




Well said! It would be best if everyone went to the U format. Would certainly level the playing field and stop all this non sense.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/20/13 09:48 PM
Or better yet follow youth hockey and go by birth year. It would end all the redshirt nonsense that goes on. Then I guess everyone would procreate so January and February would be busy months in the maternity ward.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/20/13 10:41 PM
COLLEGES RECRUIT BY HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION YEAR - this whole age based vs. grade based argument is meaningless, it is all about daddy chest pumping and wins and loses,I have had two sons go through the recruiting process and I have never had a coach ask about his summer teams won - loss record or his age -

Colleges want to know three things
1) gpa
2) SAT Scores
3) Schedule of camps and tournaments he will be at

Petro really does not care about the terps / TLI game in November and the ages of the kids that played
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/20/13 11:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
US Lacrosse has clearly led by non-example and has not attempted to enforce their own rules and are being led around by the clubs. It is a shame considering ALL of the travel players are members of US Lacrosse but they do nothing to protect the membership. The tail is wagging the dog here. Not sure what the issue is and I have written US Lacrosse to no avail. It is simple for US Lacrosse, do not issue insurance if you do not comply..simple the end. Maybe having the headquarters in Baltimore where much of the age "discrepancies" originate is the issue...


Yup. Add that USLacrosse HQ is steps from Homewood field--JHU one of earliest recruiters.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/21/13 01:41 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Or better yet follow youth hockey and go by birth year. It would end all the redshirt nonsense that goes on. Then I guess everyone would procreate so January and February would be busy months in the maternity ward.


Folks - you need to get past the age based stuff. As soon as your kid hits recruiting age the coaches don't care if the player is old or young for the particular recruiting class. Yes, in youth it matters for safety reasons. Yes, it's fun to win youth championships. No, it doesn't matter what their win/loss or championship total is once they get on the recruiting circuit. Been there, done that with 2 sons and not once did their college coach every ask about a youth or middle school tournament or their HS summer team record for that matter. Play hard but quit complaining about ages. If you're a 2018 you will be with the big HS boys soon enough.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/21/13 01:52 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Petro really does not care about the terps / TLI game in November and the ages of the kids that played

Yeah, but if he or any other coaches were watching, they were there to watch 2018s play so any 2017s parents paying a club to have their son in that game was throwing money away faster than everyone else (BTW everyone else was throwing their money away too)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/22/13 06:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow what an uproar, and it sounds like based on in correct information....why so concerned about this 1 team?

I haven't seen the schedule but have been told the U14 team would be entered into the JV bracket, if they are not, I would guess it would be the tournaments decision but based on the previous post, it sounds they are in the JV bracket.

Just to end all the complaining, I know this has been mentioned a number of times, but the team has always played by the tournament rules, last year the entered the following tournaments:
Big Time Shootout - 2017
NXT Cup - 2017
Yale - U13
Hershey - U13
Stonybrook - 2017

So the next time you guys want to complain about this team again, please come back and read this thread again. Hopefully it will clarify how the team plays age and grade appropriate.


2017 teams were NOT eligible to play in a U13 Bracket. What is the determining factor is the DOB of the OLDEST player on the team.

Everytime a team is registered (and I register 20 teams to 5 tournaments each annually) I have to take that into consideration.
IF you are playing "up" at a 2017 level and U13 is where your OLDEST player places you, then you are in the right place.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/23/13 12:26 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow what an uproar, and it sounds like based on in correct information....why so concerned about this 1 team?

I haven't seen the schedule but have been told the U14 team would be entered into the JV bracket, if they are not, I would guess it would be the tournaments decision but based on the previous post, it sounds they are in the JV bracket.

Just to end all the complaining, I know this has been mentioned a number of times, but the team has always played by the tournament rules, last year the entered the following tournaments:
Big Time Shootout - 2017
NXT Cup - 2017
Yale - U13
Hershey - U13
Stonybrook - 2017

So the next time you guys want to complain about this team again, please come back and read this thread again. Hopefully it will clarify how the team plays age and grade appropriate.


2017 teams were NOT eligible to play in a U13 Bracket. What is the determining factor is the DOB of the OLDEST player on the team.

Everytime a team is registered (and I register 20 teams to 5 tournaments each annually) I have to take that into consideration.
IF you are playing "up" at a 2017 level and U13 is where your OLDEST player places you, then you are in the right place.

Honestly are u that stupid? There are 2017's who are born after sept 1 1999 that were eligible for U-13 last year. They played in the 2017 bracket for every other tournament. Since 80 percent of the team were 2018's, those kids are playing up in those tournaments. Why is that so hard to understand. Unreal!!!!
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/23/13 02:55 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are 2017's who are born after sept 1 1999 that were eligible for U-13 last year. They played in the 2017 bracket for every other tournament. Since 80 percent of the team were 2018's, those kids are playing up in those tournaments. Why is that so hard to understand. Unreal!!!!
One of the elements in your post that makes it tough to understand is talking about what happened LAST YEAR with U-age brackets. Below, you will find the current age group tables for the Classes of 2017 and 2018.

Despite the confusion, you are actually correct in the first half of your statement - the Class of 2017 students that were born AFTER September 1st, 1999 who are currently U/14 were U/13 eligible last season.

The incorrect part is saying that the older Class of 2018 students were playing up last year in U/13 - in fact, they were on the right age group.

12/01/98 - 08/31/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/15
09/01/99 - 11/30/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/14

12/01/99 - 08/31/00 ... Class of 2018 ... 8th Grade .... U/14
09/01/00 - 11/30/00 ... Class of 2018 ... 8th Grade .... U/13

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/23/13 05:24 AM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are 2017's who are born after sept 1 1999 that were eligible for U-13 last year. They played in the 2017 bracket for every other tournament. Since 80 percent of the team were 2018's, those kids are playing up in those tournaments. Why is that so hard to understand. Unreal!!!!
One of the elements in your post that makes it tough to understand is talking about what happened LAST YEAR with U-age brackets. Below, you will find the current age group tables for the Classes of 2017 and 2018.

Despite the confusion, you are actually correct in the first half of your statement - the Class of 2017 students that were born AFTER September 1st, 1999 who are currently U/14 were U/13 eligible last season.

The incorrect part is saying that the older Class of 2018 students were playing up last year in U/13 - in fact, they were on the right age group.

12/01/98 - 08/31/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/15
09/01/99 - 11/30/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/14

12/01/99 - 08/31/00 ... Class of 2018 ... 8th Grade .... U/14
09/01/00 - 11/30/00 ... Class of 2018 ... 8th Grade .... U/13


OMG are u serious? 2018 kids who are playing in a 2017 bracket are playing up! Why is that hard to understand. When they played U 13 they were NOT playing their up! This is painful!!!!!
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/23/13 12:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are 2017's who are born after sept 1 1999 that were eligible for U-13 last year. They played in the 2017 bracket for every other tournament. Since 80 percent of the team were 2018's, those kids are playing up in those tournaments. Why is that so hard to understand. Unreal!!!!
One of the elements in your post that makes it tough to understand is talking about what happened LAST YEAR with U-age brackets. Below, you will find the current age group tables for the Classes of 2017 and 2018.

Despite the confusion, you are actually correct in the first half of your statement - the Class of 2017 students that were born AFTER September 1st, 1999 who are currently U/14 were U/13 eligible last season.

The incorrect part is saying that the older Class of 2018 students were playing up last year in U/13 - in fact, they were on the right age group.

12/01/98 - 08/31/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/15
09/01/99 - 11/30/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/14

12/01/99 - 08/31/00 ... Class of 2018 ... 8th Grade .... U/14
09/01/00 - 11/30/00 ... Class of 2018 ... 8th Grade .... U/13


OMG are u serious? 2018 kids who are playing in a 2017 bracket are playing up! Why is that hard to understand. When they played U 13 they were NOT playing their up! This is painful!!!!!
Hang on there, Sport. BOTC certainly would not want to risk your Nobel Prize with this discussion.

If a team is composed of both 2017 and 2018 players and they are playing in a 2017 bracket, the team is NOT playing up although some of the players on the team are playing up.

Obviously, a pure 2018 team playing in a 2017 bracket is playing up as a team. The original post asserted that 80% of the team was the Class of 2018. Big difference - the team is NOT a 2018 if 80% of the players are 2018 unless all of the other players are 2019 and younger.

Going back to your original post, you mixed in discussion about U-age groups which we were politely trying to explain.
Posted By: VaLaxDad Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/23/13 01:44 PM
Well played, CS. Is it true that LI's biggest clubs, Team 91 and Express stand up 4 or 5 teams by grad year?
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/23/13 02:19 PM
Originally Posted by VaLaxDad
Well played, CS. Is it true that LI's biggest clubs, Team 91 and Express stand up 4 or 5 teams by grad year?
Generally, even the largest Long Island boys clubs will take only three teams per age group.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/23/13 03:45 PM
my high school team regularly brings up 8th and 9th grade boys to play JV and varsity and nobody ever says the team is "playing up" time for everybody to start thinking the same way, if the team is 90% 2018 and 10% 2017 then the team is NOT playing up in a 2017 tournament -
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/24/13 01:21 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by VaLaxDad
Well played, CS. Is it true that LI's biggest clubs, Team 91 and Express stand up 4 or 5 teams by grad year?
Generally, even the largest Long Island boys clubs will take only three teams per age group.


Except for team LI that usually has 4 and currently 91 has 4 at many of the younger ages 2018 and down.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/24/13 02:39 PM
Great game yesterday between 91 and Team LI. Let's leave it at that and keep all the BS out of it.
How about we try something different today and talk about the positives. Two great teams playing a great game regardless of the final score.
Hopefully in the spring can arrange small invites like the Express did last weekend, have all these great team from LI play each other and even a couple from out of state.
91 Parent
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/24/13 04:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great game yesterday between 91 and Team LI. Let's leave it at that and keep all the BS out of it.
How about we try something different today and talk about the positives. Two great teams playing a great game regardless of the final score.
Hopefully in the spring can arrange small invites like the Express did last weekend, have all these great team from LI play each other and even a couple from out of state.
91 Parent


Was that the Team Long Island team that played Terps last week?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/24/13 04:44 PM
You are absolutely right, great game of lacrosse. A team gets more out of a close game then a blow out. They should play each other more then once a year. It was a pleasure to watch.
TLI parent
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/24/13 05:22 PM
TLI goalie played awesome...had a lot of great saves...great addition to TLI..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/24/13 06:07 PM
yes
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/24/13 07:23 PM
I think he came from team 91
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 03:12 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think he came from team 91

He did play for team 91 on their A team last summer and was actually put on 91's C team which is the white team this year after tryouts this year. I wasnt at the game but hope he played really well. Great kid deserved better from 91. TLI has added a great goalie.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 01:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think he came from team 91

He did play for team 91 on their A team last summer and was actually put on 91's C team which is the white team this year after tryouts this year. I wasnt at the game but hope he played really well. Great kid deserved better from 91. TLI has added a great goalie.


It was Typical 91 politics. Irony is that Extreme took the TLI goalie.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 01:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think he came from team 91

He did play for team 91 on their A team last summer and was actually put on 91's C team which is the white team this year after tryouts this year. I wasnt at the game but hope he played really well. Great kid deserved better from 91. TLI has added a great goalie.


It was Typical 91 politics. Irony is that Extreme took the TLI goalie.


Team LI is better this year with their new goalie.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 03:59 PM
Please stop all of this - it is not worthy of the great game played. This degrades the entire experience. Both teams - ALL PLAYERS - played their collective hearts out -
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 04:09 PM
it was really nice to see the boys play a great competitive game. It was even nicer to see that off the field they are all friends. the rivalry between these teams and many others are caused by the parents, not the kids. its time to move on and keep it positive for our sons and let them enjoy playing lacrosse. BTW, the TLI goalie played amazing!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 04:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please stop all of this - it is not worthy of the great game played. This degrades the entire experience. Both teams - ALL PLAYERS - played their collective hearts out -


Also, both goalies are great kid's, best of luck to them.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 07:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please stop all of this - it is not worthy of the great game played. This degrades the entire experience. Both teams - ALL PLAYERS - played their collective hearts out -


Also, both goalies are great kid's, best of luck to them.



It just sheds a light on all the BS in team selection. That the goalie from team Long Island was put on 91 C teamm white after this years tryout was a joke. Come on, from the A team to the C team. Those who saw him play on Saturday know he's not a C team goalie. His play speaks for itself. He deserved better from 91. It just pays to know people. No one is knocking the kids just pointing out how good a player is screwed because of politics. Hey lets see if he gets the phone call from SL to come back after how well he played yesterday.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 11:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please stop all of this - it is not worthy of the great game played. This degrades the entire experience. Both teams - ALL PLAYERS - played their collective hearts out -


Also, both goalies are great kid's, best of luck to them.



It just sheds a light on all the BS in team selection. That the goalie from team Long Island was put on 91 C teamm white after this years tryout was a joke. Come on, from the A team to the C team. Those who saw him play on Saturday know he's not a C team goalie. His play speaks for itself. He deserved better from 91. It just pays to know people. No one is knocking the kids just pointing out how good a player is screwed because of politics. Hey lets see if he gets the phone call from SL to come back after how well he played yesterday.


please stop the implications and tell us what you trying to say, if you say it pays to know someone, well why didn't they know him if he played for them last year? did they forget him? and when you say politics are you saying that not only is the new goalie politically connected but so are the two goalies that made the "b" team ahead of this boy? was it a parent cut? what were the politics? if our gonna bring the heat, bring it
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 11:42 PM
The family of said goalie is much happier, a better fit for him and his family, no hard feelings. How lucky we all are to have these " problems" It is a privilege
to watch our sons play such a great game and have friendly competition. These boys are all amazing.
money can't buy talent or what comes from hard work
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 02:40 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please stop all of this - it is not worthy of the great game played. This degrades the entire experience. Both teams - ALL PLAYERS - played their collective hearts out -


Also, both goalies are great kid's, best of luck to them.



It just sheds a light on all the BS in team selection. That the goalie from team Long Island was put on 91 C teamm white after this years tryout was a joke. Come on, from the A team to the C team. Those who saw him play on Saturday know he's not a C team goalie. His play speaks for itself. He deserved better from 91. It just pays to know people. No one is knocking the kids just pointing out how good a player is screwed because of politics. Hey lets see if he gets the phone call from SL to come back after how well he played yesterday.


please stop the implications and tell us what you trying to say, if you say it pays to know someone, well why didn't they know him if he played for them last year? did they forget him? and when you say politics are you saying that not only is the new goalie politically connected but so are the two goalies that made the "b" team ahead of this boy? was it a parent cut? what were the politics? if our gonna bring the heat, bring it


91 is about who you know or who your friends with or who's lawn you mow or what helmets you buy for the team. Teams were chosen before tryouts. Plain and simple. Come on you know the truth. It was basically decided before tryouts who were moving up from the B team and recruited from other teams to play on Extreme. Some are OK with their kid riding the pine. They just want to say they are on Extreme. Your kid will get better that way. This goalie is one example of the BS. That shows it so no need to bring it. Politics or friends or whatever. I just say it like I see it. Very happy for the goalie who is now on team long island. Great kid great family.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 01:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please stop all of this - it is not worthy of the great game played. This degrades the entire experience. Both teams - ALL PLAYERS - played their collective hearts out -


Also, both goalies are great kid's, best of luck to them.


Excellent - we're back to making fun of dads' businesses and helping with helmets to express our hatred of 91. Here is some light to shed on 91 Xtreme player selections - they played nine games this Fall and won all nine, beating Dukes, Express and TLI along with six others. They don't duck anyone and it is a great group of boys who play hard and as a team. The boys you are criticizing as political picks each contributed in meaningful ways in games this Fall. Hate the coaches and directors all you want, but it's hard to criticize the team they put on the field this Fall - Xtreme beat everyone.
It just sheds a light on all the BS in team selection. That the goalie from team Long Island was put on 91 C teamm white after this years tryout was a joke. Come on, from the A team to the C team. Those who saw him play on Saturday know he's not a C team goalie. His play speaks for itself. He deserved better from 91. It just pays to know people. No one is knocking the kids just pointing out how good a player is screwed because of politics. Hey lets see if he gets the phone call from SL to come back after how well he played yesterday.


please stop the implications and tell us what you trying to say, if you say it pays to know someone, well why didn't they know him if he played for them last year? did they forget him? and when you say politics are you saying that not only is the new goalie politically connected but so are the two goalies that made the "b" team ahead of this boy? was it a parent cut? what were the politics? if our gonna bring the heat, bring it


91 is about who you know or who your friends with or who's lawn you mow or what helmets you buy for the team. Teams were chosen before tryouts. Plain and simple. Come on you know the truth. It was basically decided before tryouts who were moving up from the B team and recruited from other teams to play on Extreme. Some are OK with their kid riding the pine. They just want to say they are on Extreme. Your kid will get better that way. This goalie is one example of the BS. That shows it so no need to bring it. Politics or friends or whatever. I just say it like I see it. Very happy for the goalie who is now on team long island. Great kid great family.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 05:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please stop all of this - it is not worthy of the great game played. This degrades the entire experience. Both teams - ALL PLAYERS - played their collective hearts out -


Also, both goalies are great kid's, best of luck to them.


Excellent - we're back to making fun of dads' businesses and helmet design to express our hatred of 91. Here is another way to look at 91 Xtreme player selections - Xtreme played nine games this Fall and won them all, beating Dukes, Express, Team Long Island and six others. They didn't duck anyone. They are a great group of kids who play hard and as a team. The boys you are criticizing as political picks each contributed in meaningful ways in games this Fall. Hate the coaches and directors all you want, but it's wrong to criticize the boys selected and the team the coaches put on the field this Fall - Xtreme beat everyone.
It just sheds a light on all the BS in team selection. That the goalie from team Long Island was put on 91 C teamm white after this years tryout was a joke. Come on, from the A team to the C team. Those who saw him play on Saturday know he's not a C team goalie. His play speaks for itself. He deserved better from 91. It just pays to know people. No one is knocking the kids just pointing out how good a player is screwed because of politics. Hey lets see if he gets the phone call from SL to come back after how well he played yesterday.


please stop the implications and tell us what you trying to say, if you say it pays to know someone, well why didn't they know him if he played for them last year? did they forget him? and when you say politics are you saying that not only is the new goalie politically connected but so are the two goalies that made the "b" team ahead of this boy? was it a parent cut? what were the politics? if our gonna bring the heat, bring it


91 is about who you know or who your friends with or who's lawn you mow or what helmets you buy for the team. Teams were chosen before tryouts. Plain and simple. Come on you know the truth. It was basically decided before tryouts who were moving up from the B team and recruited from other teams to play on Extreme. Some are OK with their kid riding the pine. They just want to say they are on Extreme. Your kid will get better that way. This goalie is one example of the BS. That shows it so no need to bring it. Politics or friends or whatever. I just say it like I see it. Very happy for the goalie who is now on team long island. Great kid great family.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 06:28 PM
Excellent - we're back to making fun of dads' businesses and helmet design to express our hatred of 91. Here is another way to look at 91 player selections - Xtreme played 9 games this Fall and won them all, beating Dukes, Express, Team Long Island, and 6 others. They didn't duck anyone. They are a great group of kids who play hard and as a team. The boys you are criticizing as political picks each contributed in meaningful ways in games this Fall. Hate the coaches and the directors all you want, but it's wrong to criticize the boys and the team the coaches put on the field this Fall - Xtreme beat everyone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 07:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Excellent - we're back to making fun of dads' businesses and helmet design to express our hatred of 91. Here is another way to look at 91 player selections - Xtreme played 9 games this Fall and won them all, beating Dukes, Express, Team Long Island, and 6 others. They didn't duck anyone. They are a great group of kids who play hard and as a team. The boys you are criticizing as political picks each contributed in meaningful ways in games this Fall. Hate the coaches and the directors all you want, but it's wrong to criticize the boys and the team the coaches put on the field this Fall - Xtreme beat everyone.



Ok no one is making fun of anyones way of life just what people are doing to make teams. Teams were pre determined. Players who were on other teams last year were invited to the private tryouts that were held for returning players. Told they basically had a spot before tryouts. Certain favors are done for those who are in good favor or standing with certain directors. Those who know and are on the team know this. No one I mean no one is saying that the primary players are not some of the best out there, its just that there are secondary players that are not. Favors were done to get on the team. Families of 91 Extreme know that certain players get the majority of playing time. In majority I mean like 90%. Players are of age to see that better players were over looked its a shame. The Team Long Island goalie was just that type of example.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 08:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Excellent - we're back to making fun of dads' businesses and helmet design to express our hatred of 91. Here is another way to look at 91 player selections - Xtreme played 9 games this Fall and won them all, beating Dukes, Express, Team Long Island, and 6 others. They didn't duck anyone. They are a great group of kids who play hard and as a team. The boys you are criticizing as political picks each contributed in meaningful ways in games this Fall. Hate the coaches and the directors all you want, but it's wrong to criticize the boys and the team the coaches put on the field this Fall - Xtreme beat everyone.



Ok no one is making fun of anyones way of life just what people are doing to make teams. Teams were pre determined. Players who were on other teams last year were invited to the private tryouts that were held for returning players. Told they basically had a spot before tryouts. Certain favors are done for those who are in good favor or standing with certain directors. Those who know and are on the team know this. No one I mean no one is saying that the primary players are not some of the best out there, its just that there are secondary players that are not. Favors were done to get on the team. Families of 91 Extreme know that certain players get the majority of playing time. In majority I mean like 90%. Players are of age to see that better players were over looked its a shame. The Team Long Island goalie was just that type of example.


what you are describing is pretty much every team and every organization in every grade and in every sport - not saying it is wrong or right it just is what it is, sometimes it is about daddy buying helmets or has field permits other times it is friendships with coaches and on the negative side sometimes it is a parent cut - all of this is not fair to the kids but it is the real world and it happens in baseball, soccer,volley ball it doesn't matter all you can do is hope that your kid gets a fair shake and then it is a life lesson. we are just lucky to have so many options on LI if we don't like were we are playing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/27/13 01:43 AM
My son played for 91 extreme got cut and it was the best thing that could have happen to him. He is 100% happier. And yes politics were involved.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/27/13 01:51 AM
So what does a parent have to do not to get cut? Happy thanksgiving everyone and may we all strive to not get cut from our son's travel team! Hilarious!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/27/13 02:37 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what does a parent have to do not to get cut? Happy thanksgiving everyone and may we all strive to not get cut from our son's travel team! Hilarious!


If you have to ask ...........
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/27/13 03:28 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what does a parent have to do not to get cut? Happy thanksgiving everyone and may we all strive to not get cut from our son's travel team! Hilarious!


Or what does a parent have to do to get their son on the team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/27/13 01:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what does a parent have to do not to get cut? Happy thanksgiving everyone and may we all strive to not get cut from our son's travel team! Hilarious!


Or what does a parent have to do to get their son on the team.


parent cuts are very simple, if your kid is a top player and you pay your bills you can be the biggest jack [lacrosse] you want. if your kid is middle of the pack and cutting him will not hurt the team then have a couple of cocktails in the hotel bar and tell the coaches wife what you really think of him. Scream at you kid the entire game telling him to do stuff that the coach does not want him to do. Call the director and complain about the coach, go to tryouts and tell everybody you were told your son already made the team and you are trying to decide if you want to play on that team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/27/13 02:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what does a parent have to do not to get cut? Happy thanksgiving everyone and may we all strive to not get cut from our son's travel team! Hilarious!


Or what does a parent have to do to get their son on the team.


parent cuts are very simple, if your kid is a top player and you pay your bills you can be the biggest jack [lacrosse] you want. if your kid is middle of the pack and cutting him will not hurt the team then have a couple of cocktails in the hotel bar and tell the coaches wife what you really think of him. Scream at you kid the entire game telling him to do stuff that the coach does not want him to do. Call the director and complain about the coach, go to tryouts and tell everybody you were told your son already made the team and you are trying to decide if you want to play on that team.


WOW. Why would anyone want to play on that team? Sounds awful. Folks, in the years ahead you don't have to be on Extreme to get recruited to a top college. So many other options and avenues to get exposure. Quite frankly, if your son is not a starter on that team it will be very difficult to shine for the coaches in the future.... Great team, crazy scene. Good luck.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/27/13 07:05 PM
Their are parent cuts on all teams. Not just this one. A club would rather lose one player than deal with problematic parents.
It happens all the time. Unfortunate for the kids. It's the players that jump from team to team year after year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/27/13 07:38 PM
I've seen it a few times on my son's teams. Funny thing is the offending parents never seem to get it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Their are parent cuts on all teams. Not just this one. A club would rather lose one player than deal with problematic parents.
It happens all the time. Unfortunate for the kids. It's the players that jump from team to team year after year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/27/13 07:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Their are parent cuts on all teams. Not just this one. A club would rather lose one player than deal with problematic parents.
It happens all the time. Unfortunate for the kids. It's the players that jump from team to team year after year.


the original post was about parent cuts in general and not specifically about extreme, I have no knowledge of anything to do with extreme or parents but I have seen parents get cut from teams - anybody that has been involved in selecting a team can tell you that
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/27/13 08:18 PM
I think we are losing the point. This is about the politics and how it effects the kids. Choices are made even before tryouts who will be on teams. When players dont show up to tryouts for whatever reason but they are still put on teams. Hey its a great way to teach your kid set them up for failure. It was said it all depends on tryouts. Well if a kids doesnt come and is still put on a team. What do you call that. Then another player is on A but someone else is really good friends with the director so his kid gets the kids spot.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/27/13 09:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think we are losing the point. This is about the politics and how it effects the kids. Choices are made even before tryouts who will be on teams. When players dont show up to tryouts for whatever reason but they are still put on teams. Hey its a great way to teach your kid set them up for failure. It was said it all depends on tryouts. Well if a kids doesnt come and is still put on a team. What do you call that. Then another player is on A but someone else is really good friends with the director so his kid gets the kids spot.


It appears that teams get older, try outs are really for a kid trying to break on to the scene of a certain team or organization. If coaches know kids on the their team, or kids in their organization and have watched them play throughout the season, a try out is really just a formality. Sure, every now and then there are some upsets and surprises, but for the most part, if an coaches or organization are happy with their kids, someone has to really wow them to knock an existing player out of a spot. Kids get sick, are hurt and organizations will be flexible if they know their players. If the kid makes a coveted team from another organization, and did not show for try outs, you can bet, the coach had a private try out or watched him/her over the last season and liked what they saw. in some ways- this is better than a 2 day try out, but not always fair. This happens in all select sports.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/28/13 02:00 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Excellent - we're back to making fun of dads' businesses and helmet design to express our hatred of 91. Here is another way to look at 91 player selections - Xtreme played 9 games this Fall and won them all, beating Dukes, Express, Team Long Island, and 6 others. They didn't duck anyone. They are a great group of kids who play hard and as a team. The boys you are criticizing as political picks each contributed in meaningful ways in games this Fall. Hate the coaches and the directors all you want, but it's wrong to criticize the boys and the team the coaches put on the field this Fall - Xtreme beat everyone.



Ok no one is making fun of anyones way of life just what people are doing to make teams. Teams were pre determined. Players who were on other teams last year were invited to the private tryouts that were held for returning players. Told they basically had a spot before tryouts. Certain favors are done for those who are in good favor or standing with certain directors. Those who know and are on the team know this. No one I mean no one is saying that the primary players are not some of the best out there, its just that there are secondary players that are not. Favors were done to get on the team. Families of 91 Extreme know that certain players get the majority of playing time. In majority I mean like 90%. Players are of age to see that better players were over looked its a shame. The Team Long Island goalie was just that type of example.


Where are the comebacks! Ohh guess its true.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/28/13 01:38 PM
Oh boy, read the above if your looking for 'comebacks'. If you are looking for a non-political environment for your son to play a sport, as succinctly put above in someone's above 'comeback', you won't find one in any sport, including lacrosse. Try outs aren't blind, the best kids are tied up in advance by every team, the weakest kids based on the previous year's game play are playing for their spot in the try outs. The kids who don't make it often have parents who blame it on politics. Whether you like it or not, Xtreme has taken players from Express and TLI over the years, and no one from Xtreme has voluntarily left to go to those organizations. Xtreme also beat those two teams (and everyone else) this Fall with their current roster. Call it political, but the results on the field are undeniable.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/28/13 03:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh boy, read the above if your looking for 'comebacks'. If you are looking for a non-political environment for your son to play a sport, as succinctly put above in someone's above 'comeback', you won't find one in any sport, including lacrosse. Try outs aren't blind, the best kids are tied up in advance by every team, the weakest kids based on the previous year's game play are playing for their spot in the try outs. The kids who don't make it often have parents who blame it on politics. Whether you like it or not, Xtreme has taken players from Express and TLI over the years, and no one from Xtreme has voluntarily left to go to those organizations. Xtreme also beat those two teams (and everyone else) this Fall with their current roster. Call it political, but the results on the field are undeniable.


So is the fact that multiple kids on the team should be playing 2017 according NYS school cut off dates. No big deal, but it is interesting that when you played the one team (TEAM LI) that actually goes by US lax rules you barely won. We all know that you have at least some kids that wouldn't make the team LI team because they're too OLD. Don't come back on here and say it's not so. Former players on the team KNOW how old everyone is. No big deal, it works for the MD and PA clubs, so have at it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/28/13 04:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh boy, read the above if your looking for 'comebacks'. If you are looking for a non-political environment for your son to play a sport, as succinctly put above in someone's above 'comeback', you won't find one in any sport, including lacrosse. Try outs aren't blind, the best kids are tied up in advance by every team, the weakest kids based on the previous year's game play are playing for their spot in the try outs. The kids who don't make it often have parents who blame it on politics. Whether you like it or not, Xtreme has taken players from Express and TLI over the years, and no one from Xtreme has voluntarily left to go to those organizations. Xtreme also beat those two teams (and everyone else) this Fall with their current roster. Call it political, but the results on the field are undeniable.


I agree regarding the tryouts. These teams are well established and you can't expect wholesale changes. Someone is going to have to be a proven player to break a AA teams line up.
As far as Xtreme taking the other teams players and no one voluntarily leaving, You would think that with all these superstar defections there would be a much bigger gap in results an quality of play on the field. Last summer you lost to express (an beat them) and last week you beat a depleted TLI team by a goal in a game that could have gone either way.No excuses a loss is a loss, but Let's not pound our chests. Like an earlier poster wrote, ALL these kids on all three teams are talented and play their hearts out! It just seems that it is so important for the Xtreme parents to want to separate themselves and tell everyone how many games they won and who they beat! don't get me wrong EVERYONE wants to win, and it is important to teach the kids to compete, but it is comical how many (not all) of the Xtreme parents think that if they lose or win it makes their kid any better or worse. Their all great kids and great teams there is no need to advertise your so called superiority!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/28/13 05:29 PM
Old argument, well covered last year. Xtreme and TLI teams are basically the same age - Dukes and Crabs are much older than both LI teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/28/13 05:36 PM
The thread was pounding Xtreme coaches for political roster picks - if the picks are so political, then why is TLI 0-2 against Xtreme in last last 12 months and Express 1-3? Political picks don't seem to be hurting Xtreme's results - that is the point of mentioning them. If the team is so political, then why doesn't anyone leave - like the way kids leave TLI and Express to go to Xtreme?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/28/13 08:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The thread was pounding Xtreme coaches for political roster picks - if the picks are so political, then why is TLI 0-2 against Xtreme in last last 12 months and Express 1-3? Political picks don't seem to be hurting Xtreme's results - that is the point of mentioning them. If the team is so political, then why doesn't anyone leave - like the way kids leave TLI and Express to go to Xtreme?

You just can't help yourself can u? Yes u did have that record, congratulations! I am not sure either team even bothers to play the almighty Xtreme. Everyone should just bow and forfeit at the sight of those Shiney helmets! please!!!!! But I will indulge u and answer your question. Have u noticed that half your team barley or doesn't play in close games?? Kids can't hurt u in games if they are not in there!!! If u didn't notice there wasn't an Xtreme goal scored by a long island kid in the TLI game. That being said if the kids and parents are ok with it then it's all good. Its their choice.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 01:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The thread was pounding Xtreme coaches for political roster picks - if the picks are so political, then why is TLI 0-2 against Xtreme in last last 12 months and Express 1-3? Political picks don't seem to be hurting Xtreme's results - that is the point of mentioning them. If the team is so political, then why doesn't anyone leave - like the way kids leave TLI and Express to go to Xtreme?

You just can't help yourself can u? Yes u did have that record, congratulations! I am not sure either team even bothers to play the almighty Xtreme. Everyone should just bow and forfeit at the sight of those Shiney helmets! please!!!!! But I will indulge u and answer your question. Have u noticed that half your team barley or doesn't play in close games?? Kids can't hurt u in games if they are not in there!!! If u didn't notice there wasn't an Xtreme goal scored by a long island kid in the TLI game. That being said if the kids and parents are ok with it then it's all good. Its their choice.


that's funny - no goals by a born, bred, and corn fed long islander.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 03:37 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The thread was pounding Xtreme coaches for political roster picks - if the picks are so political, then why is TLI 0-2 against Xtreme in last last 12 months and Express 1-3? Political picks don't seem to be hurting Xtreme's results - that is the point of mentioning them. If the team is so political, then why doesn't anyone leave - like the way kids leave TLI and Express to go to Xtreme?

You just can't help yourself can u? Yes u did have that record, congratulations! I am not sure either team even bothers to play the almighty Xtreme. Everyone should just bow and forfeit at the sight of those Shiney helmets! please!!!!! But I will indulge u and answer your question. Have u noticed that half your team barley or doesn't play in close games?? Kids can't hurt u in games if they are not in there!!! If u didn't notice there wasn't an Xtreme goal scored by a long island kid in the TLI game. That being said if the kids and parents are ok with it then it's all good. Its their choice.


that's funny - no goals by a born, bred, and corn fed long islander.


today I am thankful for so many things, I am thankful for my child's health and happiness and lacrosse ability and early birth date. I am most thankful to MC and JL and all of the Express for having a great team with great parents and kids. Thank you John and Mike and I hope you had a great holiday
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 03:47 AM
Somebody needs spell check.... Barley, shiney??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 12:25 PM
so if the results on the field are undeniable, and extreme is such a superpower, than why does the coach actively recruit kids from other teams? Hey, If I had a team that won every game, I would want to stick with that team. Makes sense right? so why are extreme parents worried each season that their kid is going to be kicked to the curb and replaced by a kid from another team? because that's what happens when these TLI and Express kids take their spots right? just saying...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 12:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Old argument, well covered last year. Xtreme and TLI teams are basically the same age - Dukes and Crabs are much older than both LI teams.


Basically? Close enough? TL has HS kids on team. How can you debate this?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 02:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so if the results on the field are undeniable, and extreme is such a superpower, than why does the coach actively recruit kids from other teams? Hey, If I had a team that won every game, I would want to stick with that team. Makes sense right? so why are extreme parents worried each season that their kid is going to be kicked to the curb and replaced by a kid from another team? because that's what happens when these TLI and Express kids take their spots right? just saying...


Each of the top LI and MD teams make many roster changes every year - it's the way it works.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 02:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Old argument, well covered last year. Xtreme and TLI teams are basically the same age - Dukes and Crabs are much older than both LI teams.


Basically? Close enough? TL has HS kids on team. How can you debate this?


It's not a debate. TLI and Xtreme are eligible for the same brackets in age-based tournies. They can't play each other in grade based tournies unless Xtreme goes 'up' in grade to play TLI, as they did last weekend. Same aged teams, different grade teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 02:44 PM
Thanks for your indulgence. What I noticed in that game was a group of boys playing together to pull out another come from behind win against TLI - again. I don't think the boys or the organization really care what town or county or state they're from, but it is a little sad that it matters to you.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The thread was pounding Xtreme coaches for political roster picks - if the picks are so political, then why is TLI 0-2 against Xtreme in last last 12 months and Express 1-3? Political picks don't seem to be hurting Xtreme's results - that is the point of mentioning them. If the team is so political, then why doesn't anyone leave - like the way kids leave TLI and Express to go to Xtreme?

You just can't help yourself can u? Yes u did have that record, congratulations! I am not sure either team even bothers to play the almighty Xtreme. Everyone should just bow and forfeit at the sight of those Shiney helmets! please!!!!! But I will indulge u and answer your question. Have u noticed that half your team barley or doesn't play in close games?? Kids can't hurt u in games if they are not in there!!! If u didn't notice there wasn't an Xtreme goal scored by a long island kid in the TLI game. That being said if the kids and parents are ok with it then it's all good. Its their choice.


that's funny - no goals by a born, bred, and corn fed long islander.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 05:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks for your indulgence. What I noticed in that game was a group of boys playing together to pull out another come from behind win against TLI - again. I don't think the boys or the organization really care what town or county or state they're from, but it is a little sad that it matters to you.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The thread was pounding Xtreme coaches for political roster picks - if the picks are so political, then why is TLI 0-2 against Xtreme in last last 12 months and Express 1-3? Political picks don't seem to be hurting Xtreme's results - that is the point of mentioning them. If the team is so political, then why doesn't anyone leave - like the way kids leave TLI and Express to go to Xtreme?

You just can't help yourself can u? Yes u did have that record, congratulations! I am not sure either team even bothers to play the almighty Xtreme. Everyone should just bow and forfeit at the sight of those Shiney helmets! please!!!!! But I will indulge u and answer your question. Have u noticed that half your team barley or doesn't play in close games?? Kids can't hurt u in games if they are not in there!!! If u didn't notice there wasn't an Xtreme goal scored by a long island kid in the TLI game. That being said if the kids and parents are ok with it then it's all good. Its their choice.


that's funny - no goals by a born, bred, and corn fed long islander.


No one cares. Its just an observation. You asked why Xtreme is so successful even though it is political. And how they recruited all the other teams best players. I was just pointing out that none of the kids recruited from TLI or Express made a significant impact. I would rather my son's team play the best kids out there to push themselves and improve. My point was that you don't need to actively to have a great team. TLI and Express do a great job in developing players. In addition u said nobody voluntarily left, which is true, but the 2 cast offs from 91 (possibly political reasons) played significant roles in a very close game. They competed with their former teammates and proved they belong on either team. Again all that being said, all these teams and coaches do a great job and put quality players and teams on the field. There is no need to get into childish pissing matches over who is better or wins and loses. It takes away from what is important. The kids have other teams in their backyard that they can compete at a high level with. When the parents need to make it more than it is it trickles down to the kids. Let the coaches and players do their talking on the field! Us parents need to stay quiet.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 07:06 PM
You talk about being 'quiet' but can't help yourself from throwing more kids under the bus - moving from the 'non long island kids' last night to the ex TLI/Express kids today. Every good team in the country actively recruits - if TLI doesn't then it is the exception to the rule.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 07:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You talk about being 'quiet' but can't help yourself from throwing more kids under the bus - moving from the 'non long island kids' last night to the ex TLI/Express kids today. Every good team in the country actively recruits - if TLI doesn't then it is the exception to the rule.


Explain to me how saying 2 kids played significant roles in the game is throwing anyone under the bus??? Again just responding to your post about if some of the picks were political. Sometimes political picks are necessary for team chemistry or to secure another player, but there are many cases where the better player gets let go and the player that stays is not a significant contributor. My point with the 2 kids was to illustrate that they are very good players who could contribute to either team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 08:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You talk about being 'quiet' but can't help yourself from throwing more kids under the bus - moving from the 'non long island kids' last night to the ex TLI/Express kids today. Every good team in the country actively recruits - if TLI doesn't then it is the exception to the rule.


A lot of teams probably do recruit but how many offer scholarships to 7th and 8th graders just to get them on their team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 10:54 PM
When you question whether kids and parents have a problem with 'non long island kids' on the team, you are throwing them under the bus. They are very aware of their outsider status and don't need parents on this thread pointing it out. When you assert that the ex TLI and Express kids were insignificant to the result of the game, you are throwing them under the bus. These kids all know who you are referring to; they all read this thread. Stop criticizing them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/30/13 12:34 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When you question whether kids and parents have a problem with 'non long island kids' on the team, you are throwing them under the bus. They are very aware of their outsider status and don't need parents on this thread pointing it out. When you assert that the ex TLI and Express kids were insignificant to the result of the game, you are throwing them under the bus. These kids all know who you are referring to; they all read this thread. Stop criticizing them.


GO back and read. It says SIGNIFICANT. That is a compliment!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/30/13 02:49 AM
The relevant quote from you above: "none of the kids recruited from TLI or Express made a significant impact". If that's your idea of a compliment I would hate to see your criticism.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/30/13 12:16 PM
ok enough already. both teams play very well and how lucky are we that we can get great competition right here in our own backyard! Movement will continue to happen and parents need to move on and deal with it. we don't have to agree with each other but lets try to respect each other for the boys sake. remember, we are their role models
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/30/13 02:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
ok enough already. both teams play very well and how lucky are we that we can get great competition right here in our own backyard! Movement will continue to happen and parents need to move on and deal with it. we don't have to agree with each other but lets try to respect each other for the boys sake. remember, we are their role models

Amen! Please Stop making an issue where there is none! These teams have always had healthy competition. and the kids respect each other!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/30/13 04:38 PM
Now that is a funny post. I'm sure the kids on Xtreme (particularly the 10 or so you criticized) read your posts and one phrase comes to their minds - 'role model'!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/09/13 12:08 PM
So what are people's thoughts on the brine tryouts? Here's mine: With the amount of money that was taken in, is it possible that they could have gotten some impartial evaluators? SL coach of Extreme? Really? Of the 10 players he had there if more than 3 or 4 make the team it's a total sham.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/09/13 02:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what are people's thoughts on the brine tryouts? Here's mine: With the amount of money that was taken in, is it possible that they could have gotten some impartial evaluators? SL coach of Extreme? Really? Of the 10 players he had there if more than 3 or 4 make the team it's a total sham.
BOTC has been discussing this same topic in the Boys 2017 thread. Did you know that the organizers put out an open call for evaluators to register approximately three weeks before the event?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/09/13 02:25 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what are people's thoughts on the brine tryouts? Here's mine: With the amount of money that was taken in, is it possible that they could have gotten some impartial evaluators? SL coach of Extreme? Really? Of the 10 players he had there if more than 3 or 4 make the team it's a total sham.
BOTC has been discussing this same topic in the Boys 2017 thread. Did you know that the organizers put out an open call for evaluators to register approximately three weeks before the event?


Seems to me, with the amount of revenue generated, they clearly could have secured impartial judges with no ties to local lax community.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/09/13 03:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what are people's thoughts on the brine tryouts? Here's mine: With the amount of money that was taken in, is it possible that they could have gotten some impartial evaluators? SL coach of Extreme? Really? Of the 10 players he had there if more than 3 or 4 make the team it's a total sham.
BOTC has been discussing this same topic in the Boys 2017 thread. Did you know that the organizers put out an open call for evaluators to register approximately three weeks before the event?


Seems to me, with the amount of revenue generated, they clearly could have secured impartial judges with no ties to local lax community.


My son plays for the Terps and was at the tryout yesterday - I have an older son that has already played in the event so I have been through this before. here are a few of my opinions based on this post and a few on the 2017 thread.

1) this is a business and the goal of most businesses is to maximize profits, anything done to change the set up of this tryout and tournament is to make it better so more people will come to tryouts and they will make more money - and I think this is ok, it just is what it is)

2) the format sucked, I do not see how you can evaluate kids for a lacrosse team when they never had a chance to play lacrosse, the better "Athletes" could be missed in a skill/half field only tryout. They never had a chance to play lacrosse - if it was my event, I would have had four 45 minute games. Each kid would play in one game of Lacrosse - 2 field, 4 game, 8 team, 20 kids per team and 160 kids getting evaluated playing lacrosse.

3) I don't care if SL picks the entire team by himself or has nothing to do with the selection, any LI MS team would have 8-10 Extreme players on it if they wanted to win. Everybody needs to cut the crap about him having a clipboard, personally I don't think a father should be on the field if they have a kid in the tryout but I also think that if any of the Extreme players make this team over your or my kid it is because they are better then your or my kid not because Sal was on the field at the tryout.

4) This is a great summer event that gives kid a chance to play on a LI team with players they normally compete against and anybody that is fortunate enough to make this should be very happy for the experience their kid is going to have, My older son made strong friendships on this team that remains three years later, so good luck and enjoy

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/09/13 04:11 PM
Just how do you propose this happens? Have 7 evaluators from South Jersey come to LI on a Sunday in December to a 3hour tryout? Then everyone would be complaining my son had a bad tryout, they did not know my son.... My son was there - was it perfect, no. Is it a good lesson for the players; darn yes, you are not always going to get a fair look, you are not always going to be on a line with capable players, if you are schooled in fundamentals, and know how to play lacrosse you will play hard and let the chips fall where they may...if you can only be a spot-up shooter, can't go left, don't want to pass you were exposed (whether they make the team or not)take it as a lesson...and no 40 more private lessons are not going to fix it - be an athlete, be a player... The one change I would recommend would be to seperate the age groups, there is no way for even a decent 6th grader to compete with 8th graders. In other areas of the country I am sure they have an issue with pure numbers so they have to include those age groups, not so on LI
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/09/13 05:15 PM
Last year when the middle school rosters were posted the same complaints we are starting to see came out. Replace 2017 with 2018 and replace Turtle with Extreme and you could avoid having to even post this year. Just recycle last year's posts.

The good stuff is that 6 months later the LI North team crushed everyone and the LI South team played very well. The approximately 50 2017s who made up the two teams generally had a good experience. There were some expections (read the old posts).

This year with the LI Pride games there will be more time to evaluate so the process is already improved from last year. Not perfect, but improved.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/09/13 05:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just how do you propose this happens? Have 7 evaluators from South Jersey come to LI on a Sunday in December to a 3hour tryout? Then everyone would be complaining my son had a bad tryout, they did not know my son.... My son was there - was it perfect, no. Is it a good lesson for the players; darn yes, you are not always going to get a fair look, you are not always going to be on a line with capable players, if you are schooled in fundamentals, and know how to play lacrosse you will play hard and let the chips fall where they may...if you can only be a spot-up shooter, can't go left, don't want to pass you were exposed (whether they make the team or not)take it as a lesson...and no 40 more private lessons are not going to fix it - be an athlete, be a player... The one change I would recommend would be to seperate the age groups, there is no way for even a decent 6th grader to compete with 8th graders. In other areas of the country I am sure they have an issue with pure numbers so they have to include those age groups, not so on LI


Thank you.......spot on
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/09/13 06:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just how do you propose this happens? Have 7 evaluators from South Jersey come to LI on a Sunday in December to a 3hour tryout? Then everyone would be complaining my son had a bad tryout, they did not know my son.... My son was there - was it perfect, no. Is it a good lesson for the players; darn yes, you are not always going to get a fair look, you are not always going to be on a line with capable players, if you are schooled in fundamentals, and know how to play lacrosse you will play hard and let the chips fall where they may...if you can only be a spot-up shooter, can't go left, don't want to pass you were exposed (whether they make the team or not)take it as a lesson...and no 40 more private lessons are not going to fix it - be an athlete, be a player... The one change I would recommend would be to seperate the age groups, there is no way for even a decent 6th grader to compete with 8th graders. In other areas of the country I am sure they have an issue with pure numbers so they have to include those age groups, not so on LI


Thank you.......spot on
I may be way off, but did some person state that there was no way that a 6th grader could compete with an 8th grader on the same field? May I invite the next person to point out what is so confusing about that assertion? Shall we discriminate here, as PD and FD have been forced to do.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/09/13 06:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what are people's thoughts on the brine tryouts? Here's mine: With the amount of money that was taken in, is it possible that they could have gotten some impartial evaluators? SL coach of Extreme? Really? Of the 10 players he had there if more than 3 or 4 make the team it's a total sham.
BOTC has been discussing this same topic in the Boys 2017 thread. Did you know that the organizers put out an open call for evaluators to register approximately three weeks before the event?


Seems to me, with the amount of revenue generated, they clearly could have secured impartial judges with no ties to local lax community.
Fantastic idea, Albert Einstein. I am sure that we would all approve of the fee increase as well, to ferry the folks from other states. Sorry about the shot, but evaluators in hoods sound good? Wait, I am not sorry.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/09/13 07:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seems to me, with the amount of revenue generated, they clearly could have secured impartial judges with no ties to local lax community.
Fantastic idea, Albert Einstein. I am sure that we would all approve of the fee increase as well, to ferry the folks from other states. Sorry about the shot, but evaluators in hoods sound good? Wait, I am not sorry.
Did anyone think that Tom Rotanz would be an excellent evaluator as he has a deep knowledge of the game along with twenty years of coaching experience? If not him specifically, he would have been the first source I would have contacted for ideas on pulling together an evaluation commmitee.

This does not need to be controversial - it does require credible names, respected within the community, and without immediate local to the players on the field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/09/13 07:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what are people's thoughts on the brine tryouts? Here's mine: With the amount of money that was taken in, is it possible that they could have gotten some impartial evaluators? SL coach of Extreme? Really? Of the 10 players he had there if more than 3 or 4 make the team it's a total sham.
BOTC has been discussing this same topic in the Boys 2017 thread. Did you know that the organizers put out an open call for evaluators to register approximately three weeks before the event?


Seems to me, with the amount of revenue generated, they clearly could have secured impartial judges with no ties to local lax community.
Fantastic idea, Albert Einstein. I am sure that we would all approve of the fee increase as well, to ferry the folks from other states. Sorry about the shot, but evaluators in hoods sound good? Wait, I am not sorry.


Hey dunce, with all the local colleges right here on LI you could easily get some local well informed lax guys to evaluate wth no ties to the club scene. Imagine that! Albert Einstein... What a punk.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/09/13 07:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what are people's thoughts on the brine tryouts? Here's mine: With the amount of money that was taken in, is it possible that they could have gotten some impartial evaluators? SL coach of Extreme? Really? Of the 10 players he had there if more than 3 or 4 make the team it's a total sham.
BOTC has been discussing this same topic in the Boys 2017 thread. Did you know that the organizers put out an open call for evaluators to register approximately three weeks before the event?


Seems to me, with the amount of revenue generated, they clearly could have secured impartial judges with no ties to local lax community.


My son plays for the Terps and was at the tryout yesterday - I have an older son that has already played in the event so I have been through this before. here are a few of my opinions based on this post and a few on the 2017 thread.

1) this is a business and the goal of most businesses is to maximize profits, anything done to change the set up of this tryout and tournament is to make it better so more people will come to tryouts and they will make more money - and I think this is ok, it just is what it is)

2) the format sucked, I do not see how you can evaluate kids for a lacrosse team when they never had a chance to play lacrosse, the better "Athletes" could be missed in a skill/half field only tryout. They never had a chance to play lacrosse - if it was my event, I would have had four 45 minute games. Each kid would play in one game of Lacrosse - 2 field, 4 game, 8 team, 20 kids per team and 160 kids getting evaluated playing lacrosse.

3) I don't care if SL picks the entire team by himself or has nothing to do with the selection, any LI MS team would have 8-10 Extreme players on it if they wanted to win. Everybody needs to cut the crap about him having a clipboard, personally I don't think a father should be on the field if they have a kid in the tryout but I also think that if any of the Extreme players make this team over your or my kid it is because they are better then your or my kid not because Sal was on the field at the tryout.

4) This is a great summer event that gives kid a chance to play on a LI team with players they normally compete against and anybody that is fortunate enough to make this should be very happy for the experience their kid is going to have, My older son made strong friendships on this team that remains three years later, so good luck and enjoy



The point is, there are kids on other club teams that are just as big, strong, fast and talented as those on Xtreme. Does that team have more of them? Yes. However, if you watched the tryouts yesterday you would see that while some of the xtreme kids did well, on a whole they were much less standout as they are collectively as a team. Plenty of kids from other clubs and kids with town helmets on that were just as strong. Perhaps we'll see that in the final group. However, given the evaluators club ties, I doubt that will be the result. Those are just the facts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/09/13 07:46 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seems to me, with the amount of revenue generated, they clearly could have secured impartial judges with no ties to local lax community.
Fantastic idea, Albert Einstein. I am sure that we would all approve of the fee increase as well, to ferry the folks from other states. Sorry about the shot, but evaluators in hoods sound good? Wait, I am not sorry.
Did anyone think that Tom Rotanz would be an excellent evaluator as he has a deep knowledge of the game along with twenty years of coaching experience? If not him specifically, he would have been the first source I would have contacted for ideas on pulling together an evaluation commmitee.

This does not need to be controversial - it does require credible names, respected within the community, and without immediate local to the players on the field.


Cage - I can't believe that after all these years you still don't get it!!!! below is the post that would have appeared the day after a Tom Rotanz run tryout

"SOS, TR had all the kids that warmed up with the power shaft on one team and he watched them the whole time. I heard he actually cut a kid before the start of the tryout when he found out the kid's uncle is on the SWR school board. this is going to be a very Suffolk oriented team with TR picking it, he is going to take care of all his buddy's teams, I saw 5 evaluators with WM and RP scarves on and you know who they are taking!!!!!! Why can't the get the club coaches to do the evaluations, MC and SL know these kids better then anyone and they would be fair and pick the best team"
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/09/13 07:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cage - I can't believe that after all these years you still don't get it!!!! below is the post that would have appeared the day after a Tom Rotanz run tryout

"SOS, TR had all the kids that warmed up with the power shaft on one team and he watched them the whole time. I heard he actually cut a kid before the start of the tryout when he found out the kid's uncle is on the SWR school board. this is going to be a very Suffolk oriented team with TR picking it, he is going to take care of all his buddy's teams, I saw 5 evaluators with WM and RP scarves on and you know who they are taking!!!!!! Why can't the get the club coaches to do the evaluations, MC and SL know these kids better then anyone and they would be fair and pick the best team"
Thanks very much for the light-hearted post. This did make us laugh.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/10/13 12:06 AM
The middle school tryouts were a joke. My son was on team 1 which spent the whole time on the second field. And for the last two hours, no evaluator had a clipboard in his hands. Not one. The evaluators were yelling instructions to 91 and express kids they know. As one expected, my sense is a majority of spots were/ are predetermined. I get it (to an extent...if a Xtreme stud sucked at tryout, he probably should get a spot in the Pride of LI by reputation). But evaluators....at least try to present that it's a fair tryout. Hold clipboards as you yell out the kids whose names you know. At least parents may think our kids have somewhat of a fair chance and may pony up money again next year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/10/13 02:48 PM
Not an Extreme parent, but if only 3 or 4 make it would surprise me. The Extreme kids definitely stood out as did most of the Terps. One evaluator does not have make the decision, he is giving up his time and I applaud him for that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what are people's thoughts on the brine tryouts? Here's mine: With the amount of money that was taken in, is it possible that they could have gotten some impartial evaluators? SL coach of Extreme? Really? Of the 10 players he had there if more than 3 or 4 make the team it's a total sham.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/10/13 03:06 PM
I would have to disagree, if the spots were predetermined, why would they change a format of the tryouts. Previous years I would have to agree with you since the tryout determined the 2 teams going to Brine. This year, they are selecting 3 or 4 teams to play against each other to then pick the top players to represent LI. I personally believe my child will be selected to one of those teams and I can guarantee he will work and give 110% in hopes of being selected. That is the only true measure, not clipboards and discouraged parents who then make excuses for their child's efforts. I overheard several parents complaining about the format, the cold, the clipboards. Let's just stop the whining, your kids hear you whine and in turn they use that as an excuse for not performing to their best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The middle school tryouts were a joke. My son was on team 1 which spent the whole time on the second field. And for the last two hours, no evaluator had a clipboard in his hands. Not one. The evaluators were yelling instructions to 91 and express kids they know. As one expected, my sense is a majority of spots were/ are predetermined. I get it (to an extent...if a Xtreme stud sucked at tryout, he probably should get a spot in the Pride of LI by reputation). But evaluators....at least try to present that it's a fair tryout. Hold clipboards as you yell out the kids whose names you know. At least parents may think our kids have somewhat of a fair chance and may pony up money again next year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/10/13 03:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The middle school tryouts were a joke. My son was on team 1 which spent the whole time on the second field. And for the last two hours, no evaluator had a clipboard in his hands. Not one. The evaluators were yelling instructions to 91 and express kids they know. As one expected, my sense is a majority of spots were/ are predetermined. I get it (to an extent...if a Xtreme stud sucked at tryout, he probably should get a spot in the Pride of LI by reputation). But evaluators....at least try to present that it's a fair tryout. Hold clipboards as you yell out the kids whose names you know. At least parents may think our kids have somewhat of a fair chance and may pony up money again next year.


The joke to me were people that bought down their 70 lbs 6th graders to tryout for this team. My son is in 8th grade is 5'6" and 145lbs and I would not bring him down last year as a 7th grader because I thought it was a waist of time and money and I also felt that he can go as an 8th grader and experience the event once (if he makes it) and if he can't make it as an 8th grader he certainly wasn't going to make it as a 7th grader. Parents need to stop setting your kids up for failure, they need a reality check - people are complaining about the evaluators when half the kids couldn't play. There is no 6th grader on LI that could make Xtreme or Terps and probably not too many 7th graders that could. Do you really think that Per-Puberty Paulie is going to make a Long Island all-star team made up of 8th graders? My guess is that you had 25 kids that will be playing JV this year and probably a couple that will be on their varsities by the end of the year so keep complaining about the evaluators and ignore that your kid is not good enough or is not ready yet.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/10/13 03:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would have to disagree, if the spots were predetermined, why would they change a format of the tryouts. Previous years I would have to agree with you since the tryout determined the 2 teams going to Brine. This year, they are selecting 3 or 4 teams to play against each other to then pick the top players to represent LI. I personally believe my child will be selected to one of those teams and I can guarantee he will work and give 110% in hopes of being selected. That is the only true measure, not clipboards and discouraged parents who then make excuses for their child's efforts. I overheard several parents complaining about the format, the cold, the clipboards. Let's just stop the whining, your kids hear you whine and in turn they use that as an excuse for not performing to their best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The middle school tryouts were a joke. My son was on team 1 which spent the whole time on the second field. And for the last two hours, no evaluator had a clipboard in his hands. Not one. The evaluators were yelling instructions to 91 and express kids they know. As one expected, my sense is a majority of spots were/ are predetermined. I get it (to an extent...if a Xtreme stud sucked at tryout, he probably should get a spot in the Pride of LI by reputation). But evaluators....at least try to present that it's a fair tryout. Hold clipboards as you yell out the kids whose names you know. At least parents may think our kids have somewhat of a fair chance and may pony up money again next year.


Its another money grab if they charge. Plain and simple. Another way to get peoples money. Smoke and mirrors. Ok here is the scenario: Kid has monster tryout. Gives 150%. Really stands out. People notice and say it. Then when team selection is made your kid is not on team. Whats the reason? It happens all the time. What people or evaluators dont see or know is that kid who just performed so well finally hit puberty and has been busting his [lacrosse] training and preparing for this tryout for 5 months. Hasnt put his stick down. While others were sitting on their asses and everyone else is catching up or passing them. No excuses, it was cold for everyone. All played in same conditions, woke up early, etc.. But many will be picked based on reputation or team affiliation. Not how they do at tryout. I have heard ohh he was hurt or had a bad tryout many times for some of the better kids when they dont perform well.There is one player who was a tryout that I consider one of the best around but he had a horrible tryout. Looked like everyone else. If there were unbiased neutral evaluators he would be on the cusp of making a team. Isnt that life. You dont make a team on reputation but on the days performance. The kids will tell you who will be on the team before a tryout.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/10/13 05:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The middle school tryouts were a joke. My son was on team 1 which spent the whole time on the second field. And for the last two hours, no evaluator had a clipboard in his hands. Not one. The evaluators were yelling instructions to 91 and express kids they know. As one expected, my sense is a majority of spots were/ are predetermined. I get it (to an extent...if a Xtreme stud sucked at tryout, he probably should get a spot in the Pride of LI by reputation). But evaluators....at least try to present that it's a fair tryout. Hold clipboards as you yell out the kids whose names you know. At least parents may think our kids have somewhat of a fair chance and may pony up money again next year.


The joke to me were people that bought down their 70 lbs 6th graders to tryout for this team. My son is in 8th grade is 5'6" and 145lbs and I would not bring him down last year as a 7th grader because I thought it was a waist of time and money and I also felt that he can go as an 8th grader and experience the event once (if he makes it) and if he can't make it as an 8th grader he certainly wasn't going to make it as a 7th grader. Parents need to stop setting your kids up for failure, they need a reality check - people are complaining about the evaluators when half the kids couldn't play. There is no 6th grader on LI that could make Xtreme or Terps and probably not too many 7th graders that could. Do you really think that Per-Puberty Paulie is going to make a Long Island all-star team made up of 8th graders? My guess is that you had 25 kids that will be playing JV this year and probably a couple that will be on their varsities by the end of the year so keep complaining about the evaluators and ignore that your kid is not good enough or is not ready yet.


I don't think anyone was talking about undersized 6th and 7th graders. I think the real issue is with the kids who are not on the terps or Extreme. I can think of a number of players at every position that were wearing town or other club helmets and matched up very well against Extreme or terp players. That is the point. Many of these kids were just as big, strong, fast and talented. To some of the previous posters points, they will be the ones passed over in favor of those affiliated with certain clubs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/10/13 05:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The middle school tryouts were a joke. My son was on team 1 which spent the whole time on the second field. And for the last two hours, no evaluator had a clipboard in his hands. Not one. The evaluators were yelling instructions to 91 and express kids they know. As one expected, my sense is a majority of spots were/ are predetermined. I get it (to an extent...if a Xtreme stud sucked at tryout, he probably should get a spot in the Pride of LI by reputation). But evaluators....at least try to present that it's a fair tryout. Hold clipboards as you yell out the kids whose names you know. At least parents may think our kids have somewhat of a fair chance and may pony up money again next year.


The joke to me were people that bought down their 70 lbs 6th graders to tryout for this team. My son is in 8th grade is 5'6" and 145lbs and I would not bring him down last year as a 7th grader because I thought it was a waist of time and money and I also felt that he can go as an 8th grader and experience the event once (if he makes it) and if he can't make it as an 8th grader he certainly wasn't going to make it as a 7th grader. Parents need to stop setting your kids up for failure, they need a reality check - people are complaining about the evaluators when half the kids couldn't play. There is no 6th grader on LI that could make Xtreme or Terps and probably not too many 7th graders that could. Do you really think that Per-Puberty Paulie is going to make a Long Island all-star team made up of 8th graders? My guess is that you had 25 kids that will be playing JV this year and probably a couple that will be on their varsities by the end of the year so keep complaining about the evaluators and ignore that your kid is not good enough or is not ready yet.


How many 7th and 6th graders showed up?
I know of a limited amount of towns that are fortunate to have both a 6th and a 7th grader who can physically match up to 8th graders and could've try out. (size 5'4"+ 150lbs+) Many of those boys play on some pretty good travel teams. Would they beat out an Extreme Player or Terp; not sure, doubt it. I just hope next year we don't have a replay of the same issues as in the past 2 years.



Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/10/13 05:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The middle school tryouts were a joke. My son was on team 1 which spent the whole time on the second field. And for the last two hours, no evaluator had a clipboard in his hands. Not one. The evaluators were yelling instructions to 91 and express kids they know. As one expected, my sense is a majority of spots were/ are predetermined. I get it (to an extent...if a Xtreme stud sucked at tryout, he probably should get a spot in the Pride of LI by reputation). But evaluators....at least try to present that it's a fair tryout. Hold clipboards as you yell out the kids whose names you know. At least parents may think our kids have somewhat of a fair chance and may pony up money again next year.


The joke to me were people that bought down their 70 lbs 6th graders to tryout for this team. My son is in 8th grade is 5'6" and 145lbs and I would not bring him down last year as a 7th grader because I thought it was a waist of time and money and I also felt that he can go as an 8th grader and experience the event once (if he makes it) and if he can't make it as an 8th grader he certainly wasn't going to make it as a 7th grader. Parents need to stop setting your kids up for failure, they need a reality check - people are complaining about the evaluators when half the kids couldn't play. There is no 6th grader on LI that could make Xtreme or Terps and probably not too many 7th graders that could. Do you really think that Per-Puberty Paulie is going to make a Long Island all-star team made up of 8th graders? My guess is that you had 25 kids that will be playing JV this year and probably a couple that will be on their varsities by the end of the year so keep complaining about the evaluators and ignore that your kid is not good enough or is not ready yet.


How many 7th and 6th graders showed up?
I know of a limited amount of towns that are fortunate to have both a 6th and a 7th grader who can physically match up to 8th graders and could've try out. (size 5'4"+ 150lbs+) Many of those boys play on some pretty good travel teams. Would they beat out an Extreme Player or Terp; not sure, doubt it. I just hope next year we don't have a replay of the same issues as in the past 2 years.





There were a number of 6th and 7th graders that were there that should not have been. They truley adversely effected the tryout for the 8th graders. A zip pass in the stick gets dropped and next group is going. A hard check is avoided by just backing in and taking too much time and the drill stopped. When touches are limited like they were on Sunday. Having a few weak 6th or 7th graders in your group hurt you. It also could make players look a lot better than they are going against these players. Just either break the tryouts into age based groups then combine them or eliminate the two younger years. Long Island doesnt have a shortage of players like other regions and should be treated a bit differently.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/10/13 06:44 PM
"Long Island doesnt have a shortage of players like other regions and should be treated a bit differently." WOW! You are really full of yourself. As for the 6th and 7th graders, this is a learning experience for them to see what they need to improve on. Past years have proven that very few of the 6th and 7th graders are selected but it was something the returning kids used knowing what is expected. I think you feel your child didn't perform well and now using the younger kids as an excuse.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The middle school tryouts were a joke. My son was on team 1 which spent the whole time on the second field. And for the last two hours, no evaluator had a clipboard in his hands. Not one. The evaluators were yelling instructions to 91 and express kids they know. As one expected, my sense is a majority of spots were/ are predetermined. I get it (to an extent...if a Xtreme stud sucked at tryout, he probably should get a spot in the Pride of LI by reputation). But evaluators....at least try to present that it's a fair tryout. Hold clipboards as you yell out the kids whose names you know. At least parents may think our kids have somewhat of a fair chance and may pony up money again next year.


The joke to me were people that bought down their 70 lbs 6th graders to tryout for this team. My son is in 8th grade is 5'6" and 145lbs and I would not bring him down last year as a 7th grader because I thought it was a waist of time and money and I also felt that he can go as an 8th grader and experience the event once (if he makes it) and if he can't make it as an 8th grader he certainly wasn't going to make it as a 7th grader. Parents need to stop setting your kids up for failure, they need a reality check - people are complaining about the evaluators when half the kids couldn't play. There is no 6th grader on LI that could make Xtreme or Terps and probably not too many 7th graders that could. Do you really think that Per-Puberty Paulie is going to make a Long Island all-star team made up of 8th graders? My guess is that you had 25 kids that will be playing JV this year and probably a couple that will be on their varsities by the end of the year so keep complaining about the evaluators and ignore that your kid is not good enough or is not ready yet.


How many 7th and 6th graders showed up?
I know of a limited amount of towns that are fortunate to have both a 6th and a 7th grader who can physically match up to 8th graders and could've try out. (size 5'4"+ 150lbs+) Many of those boys play on some pretty good travel teams. Would they beat out an Extreme Player or Terp; not sure, doubt it. I just hope next year we don't have a replay of the same issues as in the past 2 years.





There were a number of 6th and 7th graders that were there that should not have been. They truley adversely effected the tryout for the 8th graders. A zip pass in the stick gets dropped and next group is going. A hard check is avoided by just backing in and taking too much time and the drill stopped. When touches are limited like they were on Sunday. Having a few weak 6th or 7th graders in your group hurt you. It also could make players look a lot better than they are going against these players. Just either break the tryouts into age based groups then combine them or eliminate the two younger years. Long Island doesnt have a shortage of players like other regions and should be treated a bit differently.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/10/13 07:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Long Island doesnt have a shortage of players like other regions and should be treated a bit differently." WOW! You are really full of yourself. As for the 6th and 7th graders, this is a learning experience for them to see what they need to improve on. Past years have proven that very few of the 6th and 7th graders are selected but it was something the returning kids used knowing what is expected. I think you feel your child didn't perform well and now using the younger kids as an excuse.



He is not "full of himself" he is stating a fact and obviously has an understanding of this event, some regions can not full a roster even with 6th and 7th graders, and even with their 6th and 7th graders they still only show up with 15 players and then alternates from other areas (long Island) fill in the rosters. LI could field 3 competitive teams. As far as it being a learning experience for the 6th and 7th graders, well they learned that it can get really cold in December and that they are not big enough, strong enough and skilled enough to compete with Xtremley good eight graders - I could have taught them that for half the money
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/10/13 08:21 PM
We advancing players are now posted on brine website
75 Middle Schoolers

73 8th grade vs. 2 7th grade

25 - Team 91
20 - LI Express
10 - fl$
5 - Team Long Island

Ther are 6 blanks and no other club/town has more than 1 name listed

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/10/13 09:29 PM
Just like the years past, only 2 2019 kids are even selected even in this format, a year does make a big difference.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
We advancing players are now posted on brine website
75 Middle Schoolers

73 8th grade vs. 2 7th grade

25 - Team 91
20 - LI Express
10 - fl$
5 - Team Long Island

Ther are 6 blanks and no other club/town has more than 1 name listed

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/10/13 09:36 PM
You need to stop drinking the "Long Island" cool-aid, we, as a whole are strong and at times dominate but it is obvious from playing teams from all over the country, that we have no right to be treated "differently." In fact, we have been treated differently in the past by being allowed 2 teams but since Lacrosse is an ever growing sport and due the limited number of teams that go to Brine Nationals, it makes more sense to create one top team to dominate and prove we are dominant and not just say it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Long Island doesnt have a shortage of players like other regions and should be treated a bit differently." WOW! You are really full of yourself. As for the 6th and 7th graders, this is a learning experience for them to see what they need to improve on. Past years have proven that very few of the 6th and 7th graders are selected but it was something the returning kids used knowing what is expected. I think you feel your child didn't perform well and now using the younger kids as an excuse.



He is not "full of himself" he is stating a fact and obviously has an understanding of this event, some regions can not full a roster even with 6th and 7th graders, and even with their 6th and 7th graders they still only show up with 15 players and then alternates from other areas (long Island) fill in the rosters. LI could field 3 competitive teams. As far as it being a learning experience for the 6th and 7th graders, well they learned that it can get really cold in December and that they are not big enough, strong enough and skilled enough to compete with Xtremley good eight graders - I could have taught them that for half the money
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/10/13 10:07 PM
looks about right to me
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 12:56 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We advancing players are now posted on brine website
75 Middle Schoolers

73 8th grade vs. 2 7th grade

25 - Team 91
20 - LI Express
10 - fl$
5 - Team Long Island

Ther are 6 blanks and no other club/town has more than 1 name listed



Congratulations to the boys that actually earned their spot for Pride of Long Island and the possibility of representing Long Island at Brine. You overcame a few huge hurdles: nepotism and homerism to accomplish making this team. Good luck. For the players not chosen use it as fuel. You know you were good enough and never let someone's selfish motives defeat your dreams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 01:38 AM
I don't know about that! Some of the 2018 players chosen would have a hard time making the top 2019 teams. Earned a spot for the next round? sure... making the " A" team. Doubt it. It's about money. It will happen again next year, parents will complain, the year after that and so on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 01:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't know about that! Some of the 2018 players chosen would have a hard time making the top 2019 teams. Earned a spot for the next round? sure... making the " A" team. Doubt it. It's about money. It will happen again next year, parents will complain, the year after that and so on.


That's why I emphasized earned and overcame homerism and nepotism. Never would I have evaluators who's children were trying out for team they were evaluating.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 01:54 AM
Sorry about that! Kudos! You nailed it right on the head
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 02:30 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You need to stop drinking the "Long Island" cool-aid, we, as a whole are strong and at times dominate but it is obvious from playing teams from all over the country, that we have no right to be treated "differently." In fact, we have been treated differently in the past by being allowed 2 teams but since Lacrosse is an ever growing sport and due the limited number of teams that go to Brine Nationals, it makes more sense to create one top team to dominate and prove we are dominant and not just say it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Long Island doesnt have a shortage of players like other regions and should be treated a bit differently." WOW! You are really full of yourself. As for the 6th and 7th graders, this is a learning experience for them to see what they need to improve on. Past years have proven that very few of the 6th and 7th graders are selected but it was something the returning kids used knowing what is expected. I think you feel your child didn't perform well and now using the younger kids as an excuse.



He is not "full of himself" he is stating a fact and obviously has an understanding of this event, some regions can not full a roster even with 6th and 7th graders, and even with their 6th and 7th graders they still only show up with 15 players and then alternates from other areas (long Island) fill in the rosters. LI could field 3 competitive teams. As far as it being a learning experience for the 6th and 7th graders, well they learned that it can get really cold in December and that they are not big enough, strong enough and skilled enough to compete with Xtremley good eight graders - I could have taught them that for half the money


not drinking cool-aid and not blind to what is going on in the rest of the country, I do, however, know this particular tournament and the fact that many parts of the country do not field competitive and full teams in the MS division maybe it is not as well promoted as LI but a few regions are basically walk on. so yes LI deserves special treatment because they have a large pool of talented players to choose from FOR THIS EVENT
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 12:02 PM
This is just the beginning for the age group. At least this finally ends the argument that all those love thy town lax people have had of "don't do club and stick with the summer town program"... There is clearly a benefit to playing on club. Not to mention the clubs make your school kids better.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 01:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is just the beginning for the age group. At least this finally ends the argument that all those love thy town lax people have had of "don't do club and stick with the summer town program"... There is clearly a benefit to playing on club. Not to mention the clubs make your school kids better.


Or if you pay 5k a year to play lacrosse all year round for right club you will get the nod for call backs to weekend event and most likely won't make team anyway?

If you think this is all about talent and their is no politics here you are living in fantasy world. Hopefully, best 25 will make final team. It will certainly include mostly club players just based on pool left!

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 01:53 PM
25 - Team 91
20 - LI Express
10 - fl$
5 - Team Long Island

of the 6 without club affiliate 1 played on extreme last year and chose not to tryout this year and another made terps 2 years ago and also chose not to play. In addition I did not see an Express, fl$ or TLI evaluator yet they managed to get 35 spots.

I think that playing on a club team does not make you a top player as much as a majority of the top players play club. How the final teams are picked is obviously yet to be seen but I find it hard to believe that a top 25 player did not make the top 75 call back so after all is said and done it looks like hey got it right
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 03:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
25 - Team 91
20 - LI Express
10 - fl$
5 - Team Long Island

of the 6 without club affiliate 1 played on extreme last year and chose not to tryout this year and another made terps 2 years ago and also chose not to play. In addition I did not see an Express, fl$ or TLI evaluator yet they managed to get 35 spots.

I think that playing on a club team does not make you a top player as much as a majority of the top players play club. How the final teams are picked is obviously yet to be seen but I find it hard to believe that a top 25 player did not make the top 75 call back so after all is said and done it looks like hey got it right


BS. There is a selection that is horrible. Absolutely horrible. He's a back up to a player on a travel team that wasn't selected. He didn't have the tryout of a lifetime. He's weak and the kids know it. Was awarded a spot another kid deserves. Just a joke. Would never name names because it has to do with kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 04:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
25 - Team 91
20 - LI Express
10 - fl$
5 - Team Long Island

of the 6 without club affiliate 1 played on extreme last year and chose not to tryout this year and another made terps 2 years ago and also chose not to play. In addition I did not see an Express, fl$ or TLI evaluator yet they managed to get 35 spots.

I think that playing on a club team does not make you a top player as much as a majority of the top players play club. How the final teams are picked is obviously yet to be seen but I find it hard to believe that a top 25 player did not make the top 75 call back so after all is said and done it looks like hey got it right


That's one way of looking at it. Here's another, if the kid was on Extreme, automatic you made it. Didn't matter how many times the kid got beat on defense or stopped on offense. Then they basically chose based off the helmet the kids were wearing. 91 helmet in, Express A or B, in. fl$ helmet, in. Did any kid not get picked who was an 8th grader wearing one of those helmets? Maybe a couple? They then added a 2 7th graders and few other kids. I guess this is why none of the evaluators were writing anything down. They just picked by name brand club. Pretty simple, easy, way to do it. What a waste of time and money with this type of garbage. Should have listened to poster that said "event is compromised, stay away". Boy was he right!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 05:13 PM
Since they put the minors names, parents names school town, club affiliation on their web site why not put the DOB?

I know once they get to HS they will be playng together but I'd love to see their real ages not grade. This could put to bed the age discussion or confirm how each region matches up.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
25 - Team 91
20 - LI Express
10 - fl$
5 - Team Long Island

of the 6 without club affiliate 1 played on extreme last year and chose not to tryout this year and another made terps 2 years ago and also chose not to play. In addition I did not see an Express, fl$ or TLI evaluator yet they managed to get 35 spots.

I think that playing on a club team does not make you a top player as much as a majority of the top players play club. How the final teams are picked is obviously yet to be seen but I find it hard to believe that a top 25 player did not make the top 75 call back so after all is said and done it looks like hey got it right


BS. There is a selection that is horrible. Absolutely horrible. He's a back up to a player on a travel team that wasn't selected. He didn't have the tryout of a lifetime. He's weak and the kids know it. Was awarded a spot another kid deserves. Just a joke. Would never name names because it has to do with kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 05:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
25 - Team 91
20 - LI Express
10 - fl$
5 - Team Long Island

of the 6 without club affiliate 1 played on extreme last year and chose not to tryout this year and another made terps 2 years ago and also chose not to play. In addition I did not see an Express, fl$ or TLI evaluator yet they managed to get 35 spots.

I think that playing on a club team does not make you a top player as much as a majority of the top players play club. How the final teams are picked is obviously yet to be seen but I find it hard to believe that a top 25 player did not make the top 75 call back so after all is said and done it looks like hey got it right


BS. There is a selection that is horrible. Absolutely horrible. He's a back up to a player on a travel team that wasn't selected. He didn't have the tryout of a lifetime. He's weak and the kids know it. Was awarded a spot another kid deserves. Just a joke. Would never name names because it has to do with kids.


What are you responding to here??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 05:58 PM
does anyone know how many 8th graders did not make the cut?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 06:00 PM
Does anyone know what the actual numbers were for the Brine tryout? Not how many registered, how many showed up and went through tryout?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 06:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
25 - Team 91
20 - LI Express
10 - fl$
5 - Team Long Island

of the 6 without club affiliate 1 played on extreme last year and chose not to tryout this year and another made terps 2 years ago and also chose not to play. In addition I did not see an Express, fl$ or TLI evaluator yet they managed to get 35 spots.

I think that playing on a club team does not make you a top player as much as a majority of the top players play club. How the final teams are picked is obviously yet to be seen but I find it hard to believe that a top 25 player did not make the top 75 call back so after all is said and done it looks like hey got it right


It all depends on the selection process for the "Pride Showcase". If it is 91 biased and we have the same evaluators, It will be an uphill battle to make the team. let's say the 25 break down to 6 attack, 10 middies with one fogo, 7 poles with one LSM, and 2 Goalies.
5 attack out of 19 are from xtreme that leaves 15 kids going for 1 spot
6 poles out of 25 are from xtreme. that leaves 19 kids going for 1spot
6 middies out of 25 are from xtreme. that leaves 19 kids going for 4 spots.
1extreme goalie leaves 1 spot open for 5 kids.
This is not counting the numerous other 91 tryouts and team affiliated kids.

These extreme kids are great lacrosse players and will get the nod over someone of equal talent or even over someone marginally better. some I suspect will even get the nod over a much better player.

with SL, TR, and RC pulling the strings, know what you are getting into before you send in the $150.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 06:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
25 - Team 91
20 - LI Express
10 - fl$
5 - Team Long Island

of the 6 without club affiliate 1 played on extreme last year and chose not to tryout this year and another made terps 2 years ago and also chose not to play. In addition I did not see an Express, fl$ or TLI evaluator yet they managed to get 35 spots.

I think that playing on a club team does not make you a top player as much as a majority of the top players play club. How the final teams are picked is obviously yet to be seen but I find it hard to believe that a top 25 player did not make the top 75 call back so after all is said and done it looks like hey got it right


It all depends on the selection process for the "Pride Showcase". If it is 91 biased and we have the same evaluators, It will be an uphill battle to make the team. let's say the 25 break down to 6 attack, 10 middies with one fogo, 7 poles with one LSM, and 2 Goalies.
5 attack out of 19 are from xtreme that leaves 15 kids going for 1 spot
6 poles out of 25 are from xtreme. that leaves 19 kids going for 1spot
6 middies out of 25 are from xtreme. that leaves 19 kids going for 4 spots.
1extreme goalie leaves 1 spot open for 5 kids.
This is not counting the numerous other 91 tryouts and team affiliated kids.

These extreme kids are great lacrosse players and will get the nod over someone of equal talent or even over someone marginally better. some I suspect will even get the nod over a much better player.

with SL, TR, and RC pulling the strings, know what you are getting into before you send in the $150.


That would be unfortunate, but I guess there is always politics. Xtreme is obviously a very good team , but there is no way that their whole team is better than all the other kids that tried out? I actually think they may be the most top heavy team out there! No question their Top 2 middies, Top defender and goalie are the cream of the crop. After that the rest of the team is in the mix with the many talented kids on the other teams. How does 91 get 25 kids, express get 20 and TLI only get 5? fl$ has more? Did the TLI kids not try out?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 07:18 PM
I think people are forgetting that it was more or less the same evaluators last year, substitute JM from 91 for SL, and the majority of the kids on the LI North team were from the Express. It was something like 15 out of the 25 kids were Express kids. That team played awesome in the tournament and won the Championship going away. So they weren't biased and I guess they evaluated ok.
BTW, there was an fl$ coach there evaluating.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 07:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think people are forgetting that it was more or less the same evaluators last year, substitute JM from 91 for SL, and the majority of the kids on the LI North team were from the Express. It was something like 15 out of the 25 kids were Express kids. That team played awesome in the tournament and won the Championship going away. So they weren't biased and I guess they evaluated ok.
BTW, there was an fl$ coach there evaluating.


This is a xtreme case. last year it was the turtles. the deck will be stacked but I would believe some extreme players will not make the cut.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 08:16 PM
As a Smithtown parent like the number of Smithtown school district players that made it through!Go Bulls
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 08:52 PM
As far as towns go nice showing of Smithtown school district players,that by the way represent their Town team,fl$, 91,Express, Team LI Go Bulls
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 08:54 PM
predetermined, predetermined. Thats all.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 09:43 PM
I have never posted on this site, but do find it entertaining! I have older sons and a middle school age son and have been to many lacrosse events, showcases, camps, prospect camps, tournaments, etc, etc, ....I have never seen a more blatant scam like the Brine Middle School tryouts. The "evaluators" never took notes on any of the kids...the clipboards stayed under their arms and hands in pockets (yes, it was cold!) I should have listened to my older sons who told me to stay away from this event....."its a joke,....don't waste your money...unless you play for 91" Whoever it is that runs this event should be ashamed --- and investigated to see if this scam is legal.......
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 09:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Whoever it is that runs this event should be ashamed --- and investigated to see if this scam is legal.......
What is potentially illegal?

Someone hangs out a shingle, e-mails Long Island boys teams and parents to get participation, and parents flocked like lemmings. Did anyone ask prior to the tryouts, "How the evaluators were being selected or drafted?" No. Did anyone ask, "What are we getting for the tryout fee?" No. Did anyone ask, "How many players are allowed to participate given the limited field space?" No. Participants were more than happy to push their money to the organizers.

Now, you want to claim foul?

Parents bought this event without checking into the details. BOTC did not cover this event and as we have said many times, you are "on your own" in terms of quality if you do not see the event as one of our partners. If this was a BOTC event, you could be damn sure that you would have been informed on the evaluation process.

You bought it. You got burned by it. Think about it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 10:05 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Whoever it is that runs this event should be ashamed --- and investigated to see if this scam is legal.......
What is potentially illegal?

Someone hangs out a shingle, e-mails Long Island boys teams and parents to get participation, and parents flocked like lemmings. Did anyone ask prior to the tryouts, "How the evaluators were being selected or drafted?" No. Did anyone ask, "What are we getting for the tryout fee?" No. Did anyone ask, "How many players are allowed to participate given the limited field space?" No. Participants were more than happy to push their money to the organizers.

Now, you want to claim foul?

Parents bought this event without checking into the details. BOTC did not cover this event and as we have said many times, you are "on your own" in terms of quality if you do not see the event as one of our partners. If this was a BOTC event, you could be damn sure that you would have been informed on the evaluation process.

You bought it. You got burned by it. Think about it.


nobody got burned, some kids got cut, my son plays on a team that did not have a coach on the field as an evaluator and still made it. This event was poorly conceived and poorly executed but last I checked incompetence is not a criminal offense and I would bet money that if every 6th and 7th grade lacrosse parent on LI reads this thread they will still sell out next year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 10:26 PM
Has anyone heard if there will be two teams like last year for 8th Grade Long Island?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Whoever it is that runs this event should be ashamed --- and investigated to see if this scam is legal.......
What is potentially illegal?

Someone hangs out a shingle, e-mails Long Island boys teams and parents to get participation, and parents flocked like lemmings. Did anyone ask prior to the tryouts, "How the evaluators were being selected or drafted?" No. Did anyone ask, "What are we getting for the tryout fee?" No. Did anyone ask, "How many players are allowed to participate given the limited field space?" No. Participants were more than happy to push their money to the organizers.

Now, you want to claim foul?

Parents bought this event without checking into the details. BOTC did not cover this event and as we have said many times, you are "on your own" in terms of quality if you do not see the event as one of our partners. If this was a BOTC event, you could be damn sure that you would have been informed on the evaluation process.

You bought it. You got burned by it. Think about it.


nobody got burned, some kids got cut, my son plays on a team that did not have a coach on the field as an evaluator and still made it. This event was poorly conceived and poorly executed but last I checked incompetence is not a criminal offense and I would bet money that if every 6th and 7th grade lacrosse parent on LI reads this thread they will still sell out next year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 11:04 PM
They should post evaluator notes. They would never do that but it would be funny to actually see the lack of. Since numbers were given out randomly as kids walked up. How were those evaluating able to fumble through and evaluate or rank their respective position assignment. Really think about it kids are in random groups and drills were moving quick. Now you must rank a kid and watch the next group. Lets put this scenerio out one attackman has 45 the other 170 could be three pages away. Put a rank on the right line or space. Was that 145 or 154. Damm next group. Missed that great pass or goal.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/11/13 11:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think people are forgetting that it was more or less the same evaluators last year, substitute JM from 91 for SL, and the majority of the kids on the LI North team were from the Express. It was something like 15 out of the 25 kids were Express kids. That team played awesome in the tournament and won the Championship going away. So they weren't biased and I guess they evaluated ok.
BTW, there was an fl$ coach there evaluating.


Imagine that??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/12/13 12:26 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think people are forgetting that it was more or less the same evaluators last year, substitute JM from 91 for SL, and the majority of the kids on the LI North team were from the Express. It was something like 15 out of the 25 kids were Express kids. That team played awesome in the tournament and won the Championship going away. So they weren't biased and I guess they evaluated ok.
BTW, there was an fl$ coach there evaluating.


Imagine that??


Funny, fl$ got 10 kids in and one of their coaches was an evaluator, what are the chances?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/12/13 12:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think people are forgetting that it was more or less the same evaluators last year, substitute JM from 91 for SL, and the majority of the kids on the LI North team were from the Express. It was something like 15 out of the 25 kids were Express kids. That team played awesome in the tournament and won the Championship going away. So they weren't biased and I guess they evaluated ok.
BTW, there was an fl$ coach there evaluating.


Imagine that??



Funny, fl$ got 10 kids in and one of their coaches was an evaluator, what are the chances?


Is this a riddle?? 10 percent?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/12/13 01:50 AM
These kids have been competing against each other for years and the coaches all know who is who. Its the reason 200 kids show up (from 5 states) to the 91 tryouts Simple... make extreme or orange and you get a good look for stuff like this. Why all the shock?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/12/13 11:37 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
These kids have been competing against each other for years and the coaches all know who is who. Its the reason 200 kids show up (from 5 states) to the 91 tryouts Simple... make extreme or orange and you get a good look for stuff like this. Why all the shock?


No shock. Just give everyone a fair look. Believe it or not , their are very good players who have never even tried out for 91. Orange is a good team but not good enough for kids to get automatically pushed through. Same with fl$. They are decent team but 10 is big number.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/12/13 12:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
These kids have been competing against each other for years and the coaches all know who is who. Its the reason 200 kids show up (from 5 states) to the 91 tryouts Simple... make extreme or orange and you get a good look for stuff like this. Why all the shock?


No shock. Just give everyone a fair look. Believe it or not , their are very good players who have never even tried out for 91. Orange is a good team but not good enough for kids to get automatically pushed through. Same with fl$. They are decent team but 10 is big number.


Fair point. It is why I didn't even bother to bring my son. You would have to really stand out and unfortunately it is tough with the ability level on the field. It is why those going to Catholic HS play Express. Think about it...If you have two middies that look the same (both very good) you'll take the one you know. Not endorsing the process - just looking at it realistically.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/12/13 03:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
These kids have been competing against each other for years and the coaches all know who is who. Its the reason 200 kids show up (from 5 states) to the 91 tryouts Simple... make extreme or orange and you get a good look for stuff like this. Why all the shock?


No shock. Just give everyone a fair look. Believe it or not , their are very good players who have never even tried out for 91. Orange is a good team but not good enough for kids to get automatically pushed through. Same with fl$. They are decent team but 10 is big number.


Fair point. It is why I didn't even bother to bring my son. You would have to really stand out and unfortunately it is tough with the ability level on the field. It is why those going to Catholic HS play Express. Think about it...If you have two middies that look the same (both very good) you'll take the one you know. Not endorsing the process - just looking at it realistically.


As stated before, easily could have gotten evaluators form local colleges not affiliated with any club. Would have at least made it a bit more even handed. Here's a little tid bit though. This event has zero early recruiting meaning. Wait till these kids start going to individual showcases and camps. The college coaches could care less what club team you're on. Some will continue to standout, and others will be exposed. Those once overlooked will shine very brightly. It's the way it works. Look at all the current 2014 commits, while Express and to a lesser degree 91 have their fair share, there are many, many others not involved with these clubs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/12/13 03:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
These kids have been competing against each other for years and the coaches all know who is who. Its the reason 200 kids show up (from 5 states) to the 91 tryouts Simple... make extreme or orange and you get a good look for stuff like this. Why all the shock?


No shock. Just give everyone a fair look. Believe it or not , their are very good players who have never even tried out for 91. Orange is a good team but not good enough for kids to get automatically pushed through. Same with fl$. They are decent team but 10 is big number.


Fair point. It is why I didn't even bother to bring my son. You would have to really stand out and unfortunately it is tough with the ability level on the field. It is why those going to Catholic HS play Express. Think about it...If you have two middies that look the same (both very good) you'll take the one you know. Not endorsing the process - just looking at it realistically.


As stated before, easily could have gotten evaluators form local colleges not affiliated with any club. Would have at least made it a bit more even handed. Here's a little tid bit though. This event has zero early recruiting meaning. Wait till these kids start going to individual showcases and camps. The college coaches could care less what club team you're on. Some will continue to standout, and others will be exposed. Those once overlooked will shine very brightly. It's the way it works. Look at all the current 2014 commits, while Express and to a lesser degree 91 have their fair share, there are many, many others not involved with these clubs.


yup! and wait until some some of these 5'4" kids stay at 5'4" and the 5' kids are 6'plus by the time they are seniors.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/12/13 03:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
These kids have been competing against each other for years and the coaches all know who is who. Its the reason 200 kids show up (from 5 states) to the 91 tryouts Simple... make extreme or orange and you get a good look for stuff like this. Why all the shock?


No shock. Just give everyone a fair look. Believe it or not , their are very good players who have never even tried out for 91. Orange is a good team but not good enough for kids to get automatically pushed through. Same with fl$. They are decent team but 10 is big number.


Fair point. It is why I didn't even bother to bring my son. You would have to really stand out and unfortunately it is tough with the ability level on the field. It is why those going to Catholic HS play Express. Think about it...If you have two middies that look the same (both very good) you'll take the one you know. Not endorsing the process - just looking at it realistically.


As stated before, easily could have gotten evaluators form local colleges not affiliated with any club. Would have at least made it a bit more even handed. Here's a little tid bit though. This event has zero early recruiting meaning. Wait till these kids start going to individual showcases and camps. The college coaches could care less what club team you're on. Some will continue to standout, and others will be exposed. Those once overlooked will shine very brightly. It's the way it works. Look at all the current 2014 commits, while Express and to a lesser degree 91 have their fair share, there are many, many others not involved with these clubs.


Keep hating. There will be many who do not play club who will not as you put it "shine". These are 12 and 13 year old boys, a lot will change in the years to come so stop rooting against other children. If you and your son do not want to play for a club team then don't. Stop being a hater, focus on your own kid and stop wishing for others to fail.

BY the way, go check the 2017 and 2016 commits, check to see how many play for a club team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/12/13 07:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
These kids have been competing against each other for years and the coaches all know who is who. Its the reason 200 kids show up (from 5 states) to the 91 tryouts Simple... make extreme or orange and you get a good look for stuff like this. Why all the shock?


No shock. Just give everyone a fair look. Believe it or not , their are very good players who have never even tried out for 91. Orange is a good team but not good enough for kids to get automatically pushed through. Same with fl$. They are decent team but 10 is big number.


Fair point. It is why I didn't even bother to bring my son. You would have to really stand out and unfortunately it is tough with the ability level on the field. It is why those going to Catholic HS play Express. Think about it...If you have two middies that look the same (both very good) you'll take the one you know. Not endorsing the process - just looking at it realistically.


As stated before, easily could have gotten evaluators form local colleges not affiliated with any club. Would have at least made it a bit more even handed. Here's a little tid bit though. This event has zero early recruiting meaning. Wait till these kids start going to individual showcases and camps. The college coaches could care less what club team you're on. Some will continue to standout, and others will be exposed. Those once overlooked will shine very brightly. It's the way it works. Look at all the current 2014 commits, while Express and to a lesser degree 91 have their fair share, there are many, many others not involved with these clubs.


Keep hating. There will be many who do not play club who will not as you put it "shine". These are 12 and 13 year old boys, a lot will change in the years to come so stop rooting against other children. If you and your son do not want to play for a club team then don't. Stop being a hater, focus on your own kid and stop wishing for others to fail.

BY the way, go check the 2017 and 2016 commits, check to see how many play for a club team.


Jackwagon.... Not hating on clubs. Son plays for a club. However, if you weren't on 91 past or present, Express or fl$ you basically weren't even looked at. Clearly, that was the only way you could make this team. That's just the reality. When it comes time for the showcases, no team affiliation or coach you know will make any difference. There were many other talented kids there, and had it been done in an impartial fashion the results would be a bit different. In the end, I nor my son really care. He knows how he played and against whom. None of the evaluators wrote anything down ever, even when the kids and spectators made ooh's and aah's. They stood there with their hands in their pockets and clip boards on the floor for entire sessions. It's ok, we'll have plenty of lax this summer. Good luck. Enjoy the team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/13/13 01:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
25 - Team 91
20 - LI Express
10 - fl$
5 - Team Long Island

of the 6 without club affiliate 1 played on extreme last year and chose not to tryout this year and another made terps 2 years ago and also chose not to play. In addition I did not see an Express, fl$ or TLI evaluator yet they managed to get 35 spots.

I think that playing on a club team does not make you a top player as much as a majority of the top players play club. How the final teams are picked is obviously yet to be seen but I find it hard to believe that a top 25 player did not make the top 75 call back so after all is said and done it looks like hey got it right


It all depends on the selection process for the "Pride Showcase". If it is 91 biased and we have the same evaluators, It will be an uphill battle to make the team. let's say the 25 break down to 6 attack, 10 middies with one fogo, 7 poles with one LSM, and 2 Goalies.
5 attack out of 19 are from xtreme that leaves 15 kids going for 1 spot
6 poles out of 25 are from xtreme. that leaves 19 kids going for 1spot
6 middies out of 25 are from xtreme. that leaves 19 kids going for 4 spots.
1extreme goalie leaves 1 spot open for 5 kids.
This is not counting the numerous other 91 tryouts and team affiliated kids.

These extreme kids are great lacrosse players and will get the nod over someone of equal talent or even over someone marginally better. some I suspect will even get the nod over a much better player.

with SL, TR, and RC pulling the strings, know what you are getting into before you send in the $150.


That would be unfortunate, but I guess there is always politics. Xtreme is obviously a very good team , but there is no way that their whole team is better than all the other kids that tried out? I actually think they may be the most top heavy team out there! No question their Top 2 middies, Top defender and goalie are the cream of the crop. After that the rest of the team is in the mix with the many talented kids on the other teams. How does 91 get 25 kids, express get 20 and TLI only get 5? fl$ has more? Did the TLI kids not try out?


I believe one of those Middies tried out for Attack yet he is listed as a middie.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/13/13 04:20 PM
3D Lacrosse does and will continue to dominate the club lacrosse arena in the years to come...period.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/13/13 05:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
3D Lacrosse does and will continue to dominate the club lacrosse arena in the years to come...period.


If I may.............3D Lacrosse does and will continue to dominate the club lacrosse arena in the few areas that it runs programs, and those areas that are completely undeserved by other organizations and that is why they will continue to dominate in those areas in the years to come!!! exclamation point! I will be impressed when they come into an established, traditional and mature lacrosse market and dominate.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/13/13 06:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
3D Lacrosse does and will continue to dominate the club lacrosse arena in the years to come...period.


If I may.............3D Lacrosse does and will continue to dominate the club lacrosse arena in the few areas that it runs programs, and those areas that are completely undeserved by other organizations and that is why they will continue to dominate in those areas in the years to come!!! exclamation point! I will be impressed when they come into an established, traditional and mature lacrosse market and dominate.


With appropriate age based teams, not reclassified hold backs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/13/13 07:37 PM
Times have changed and are continuing to change sonny. My guess is you were a HS standout back in the early 80s. In such a short time, 3D has been the poster child of youth/club lacrosse and where it is headed. Look at the way they run their business model, its a corporation. Look how they branded the name and franchised it to other areas, look at the way they teach their players the combination of box and field hybrid training...their kids, while smaller in numbers today but growing, are much more skilled as a group compared to LI players. In fact, so much that 91 and fl$, even TLI (who cares about Express) are trying to copy their training methodologies by incorporating more box...this is the honest truth...it's copy cat business, but one that 3d is at the forefront of. Look at the number of box leagues, clinics, etc. that are popping up all over LI. As for the achievements, well you can't disguise the truth and facts...again, in such a short time....U15 Lax National Champs, Blue Chip/3D, 8 of their class of 16 were selected to the top 25 HS sophomores....8!....if 3D ever opens up a LI chapter I feel sorry for all the LI club teams...Period.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/13/13 08:20 PM
if my memory serves correct, did fl$ not have 2 of the 4 2018 kids go last year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think people are forgetting that it was more or less the same evaluators last year, substitute JM from 91 for SL, and the majority of the kids on the LI North team were from the Express. It was something like 15 out of the 25 kids were Express kids. That team played awesome in the tournament and won the Championship going away. So they weren't biased and I guess they evaluated ok.
BTW, there was an fl$ coach there evaluating.


Imagine that??


Funny, fl$ got 10 kids in and one of their coaches was an evaluator, what are the chances?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/13/13 08:22 PM
Xtreme played 3D New England a few weeks ago up in Boston. Nice team, older kids, same result..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/13/13 08:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if my memory serves correct, did fl$ not have 2 of the 4 2018 kids go last year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think people are forgetting that it was more or less the same evaluators last year, substitute JM from 91 for SL, and the majority of the kids on the LI North team were from the Express. It was something like 15 out of the 25 kids were Express kids. That team played awesome in the tournament and won the Championship going away. So they weren't biased and I guess they evaluated ok.
BTW, there was an fl$ coach there evaluating.


Imagine that??


Funny, fl$ got 10 kids in and one of their coaches was an evaluator, what are the chances?



Yes you are correct and one of the 2 didnt deserve to be there. There are and were many better goalies in 2017 age group that should have been selected last year. Another perfect example of who you know.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/13/13 10:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if my memory serves correct, did fl$ not have 2 of the 4 2018 kids go last year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think people are forgetting that it was more or less the same evaluators last year, substitute JM from 91 for SL, and the majority of the kids on the LI North team were from the Express. It was something like 15 out of the 25 kids were Express kids. That team played awesome in the tournament and won the Championship going away. So they weren't biased and I guess they evaluated ok.
BTW, there was an fl$ coach there evaluating.


Imagine that??


Funny, fl$ got 10 kids in and one of their coaches was an evaluator, what are the chances?



Yes you are correct and one of the 2 didnt deserve to be there. There are and were many better goalies in 2017 age group that should have been selected last year. Another perfect example of who you know.


A little confused...are you talking 2017 or 2018? fl$ or Brine goalies? Did your son make it this year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/13/13 11:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if my memory serves correct, did fl$ not have 2 of the 4 2018 kids go last year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think people are forgetting that it was more or less the same evaluators last year, substitute JM from 91 for SL, and the majority of the kids on the LI North team were from the Express. It was something like 15 out of the 25 kids were Express kids. That team played awesome in the tournament and won the Championship going away. So they weren't biased and I guess they evaluated ok.
BTW, there was an fl$ coach there evaluating.


Imagine that??


Funny, fl$ got 10 kids in and one of their coaches was an evaluator, what are the chances?



Yes you are correct and one of the 2 didnt deserve to be there. There are and were many better goalies in 2017 age group that should have been selected last year. Another perfect example of who you know.


A little confused...are you talking 2017 or 2018? fl$ or Brine goalies? Did your son make it this year?


Refering to the quote at top in box. fl$ had 2 2018 players that were selected to play on last years Brine team. Saying that there were some very good 2017 goalies at tryout but a 2018 was chosen.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/14/13 03:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes you are correct and one of the 2 didnt deserve to be there. There are and were many better goalies in 2017 age group that should have been selected last year. Another perfect example of who you know.


Once again an adult passing judgement on a 12 (now 13) year old - you are one tough anonymous dude......loser
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/14/13 04:27 AM
This site is completely biased to those that spend their advertising dollars. Larry Miller or whoever else moderates this site has had no experience with the brine tryouts or national games and does not have first hand experience to publically cast judgement.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/14/13 12:42 PM
Originally Posted by Botc reader
This site is completely biased to those that spend their advertising dollars. Larry Miller or whoever else moderates this site has had no experience with the brine tryouts or national games and does not have first hand experience to publically cast judgement.
This would be incorrect. Very incorrect. BOTC has inside experience with the Brine event which is why we know about the "coaching selection" process that was taking place.

As you can read, many of the parents felt bilked on both the 2017 and 2018 threads; you are in the minority. BOTC will pass judgement publicly on any situation with which we have first hand experience including this one.

Do you have any idea how many parents have written to us asking that BOTC intervene on their behalf to secure refunds for their Brine tryout fees? The fact is that this was NOT a BOTC event and as a result, we are not able to take up this chase on their behalf.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/14/13 01:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes you are correct and one of the 2 didnt deserve to be there. There are and were many better goalies in 2017 age group that should have been selected last year. Another perfect example of who you know.


Once again an adult passing judgement on a 12 (now 13) year old - you are one tough anonymous dude......loser


No, this is about selections to Brine being made just because of team affiliation or last name or whatever reason other than talent.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/14/13 02:06 PM
Originally Posted by Botc reader
This site is completely biased to those that spend their advertising dollars. Larry Miller or whoever else moderates this site has had no experience with the brine tryouts or national games and does not have first hand experience to publically cast judgement.


Your joking right. This event is so predetermined and nothing is based on the tryout. Why should the have a tryout when most selections aren't even made off of it. Been around this event enough to see if your teams coach is one of the main evaluators there is a pretty good chance your getting selected regardless of how you did at tryouts. Money grab. If I were Brine lacrosse I would reevaluate who I had running this event because my name is getting tarnished.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/14/13 03:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes you are correct and one of the 2 didnt deserve to be there. There are and were many better goalies in 2017 age group that should have been selected last year. Another perfect example of who you know.


Once again an adult passing judgement on a 12 (now 13) year old - you are one tough anonymous dude......loser


No, this is about selections to Brine being made just because of team affiliation or last name or whatever reason other than talent.


you can criticize the selection process without calling out an individual 13 year old boy Mr Anonymous ChickenS&%t
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/14/13 05:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes you are correct and one of the 2 didnt deserve to be there. There are and were many better goalies in 2017 age group that should have been selected last year. Another perfect example of who you know.


Once again an adult passing judgement on a 12 (now 13) year old - you are one tough anonymous dude......loser


No, this is about selections to Brine being made just because of team affiliation or last name or whatever reason other than talent.


you can criticize the selection process without calling out an individual 13 year old boy Mr Anonymous ChickenS&%t


Actually I am 14 and tired of others getting free pass. This was the perfect example of the selection process. Only 3 goalies in last years 2017 pool were good. Please give me the response. There were plenty of goalies at last years tryout. It just shows the biased selection process. Facts and examples.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/16/13 01:59 AM
Changing topic. How are the A teams outside the elites? These elite teams seem crowded. I would prefer my son playing on a team that was just very good. Teams like the Outlaws, Jesters, fl$, etc. What's better 20+ minutes playing with kids that are very good and jare cosched well. Or playing very limited and be on an elite?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/16/13 03:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Changing topic. How are the A teams outside the elites? These elite teams seem crowded. I would prefer my son playing on a team that was just very good. Teams like the Outlaws, Jesters, fl$, etc. What's better 20+ minutes playing with kids that are very good and jare cosched well. Or playing very limited and be on an elite?


IMHO - I would rather have my son on the best team possible with the best coaches possible, the summer is all about getting better, and you get better in practice and practicing against better players not in games. Having said that, after Xtreme, TLI and Terps I think that the next best teams are 91 white, outlaws and fl$, so many new teams are popping up that until you get into the summer you don't know who is going to be competitive, always pick coaches not organizations
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/16/13 05:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Changing topic. How are the A teams outside the elites? These elite teams seem crowded. I would prefer my son playing on a team that was just very good. Teams like the Outlaws, Jesters, fl$, etc. What's better 20+ minutes playing with kids that are very good and jare cosched well. Or playing very limited and be on an elite?


IMHO - I would rather have my son on the best team possible with the best coaches possible, the summer is all about getting better, and you get better in practice and practicing against better players not in games. Having said that, after Xtreme, TLI and Terps I think that the next best teams are 91 white, outlaws and fl$, so many new teams are popping up that until you get into the summer you don't know who is going to be competitive, always pick coaches not organizations


I can agree and disagree, but that's why it is an interesting debate. However, what if you're son is unhappy because he isn't seeing the field. It is sort of like HS already, but here you can change teams...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/16/13 05:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Changing topic. How are the A teams outside the elites? These elite teams seem crowded. I would prefer my son playing on a team that was just very good. Teams like the Outlaws, Jesters, fl$, etc. What's better 20+ minutes playing with kids that are very good and jare cosched well. Or playing very limited and be on an elite?


IMHO - I would rather have my son on the best team possible with the best coaches possible, the summer is all about getting better, and you get better in practice and practicing against better players not in games. Having said that, after Xtreme, TLI and Terps I think that the next best teams are 91 white, outlaws and fl$, so many new teams are popping up that until you get into the summer you don't know who is going to be competitive, always pick coaches not organizations


I agree with this, it is better to get the best training, more play time or equal play time is worthless if the player is not taught how to position and proper skills.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/16/13 05:57 PM
It depends on the particular summer - the 2018s are now considered rising freshmen. The goal of this particular summer is to begin to get exposure and prepare him to play on the big stage

Brine, Jake Reed etc.. are good because they are not real recruiting events this year, but as individual showcases simulate the big stage at events for individuals. This gives your son has a leg up in what to expect in the fall of 9th grade and the following summer.

There will be coaches on some sidelines this summer. If your boy is on the bench, he is not getting looked at. If your boy's team is at the wrong tournaments he is not getting looked at regardless of how much he plays. Both club affiliation AND playing time are therefore important

These are still boys and not men, it is too early to have these concerns, but it is reality if your boy aspires to play high level D1 5 years from now

Originally Posted by Anonymous
IMHO - I would rather have my son on the best team possible with the best coaches possible, the summer is all about getting better, and you get better in practice and practicing against better players not in games. Having said that, after Xtreme, TLI and Terps I think that the next best teams are 91 white, outlaws and fl$, so many new teams are popping up that until you get into the summer you don't know who is going to be competitive, always pick coaches not organizations
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/16/13 07:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Changing topic. How are the A teams outside the elites? These elite teams seem crowded. I would prefer my son playing on a team that was just very good. Teams like the Outlaws, Jesters, fl$, etc. What's better 20+ minutes playing with kids that are very good and jare cosched well. Or playing very limited and be on an elite?


IMHO - I would rather have my son on the best team possible with the best coaches possible, the summer is all about getting better, and you get better in practice and practicing against better players not in games. Having said that, after Xtreme, TLI and Terps I think that the next best teams are 91 white, outlaws and fl$, so many new teams are popping up that until you get into the summer you don't know who is going to be competitive, always pick coaches not organizations


Totally 100% disagree. My son has played on one of the Elite teams in the past. Was a second line player, he wanted to leave after one season. Hated the constant pressure to be perfect all the time at 12 yo. In his words "why is every game like the NCAA finals"? He is now on a very competitive A team and plays more than enough. To correct the poster above, you do not get better just practicing. You need to actually play in games against the best competition. His team won't beat the top two teams, but he get's to play against that competition all the time. As a result, he is playing confident, and playing the best lacrosse he has ever played. This is what will help him compete in the showcases next year. Remember, the starting 10 on the top two LI teams play the majority of every tough game. That's 20 kids in 2018. Trust me when I say, there will be way more 2018 kids that get recruited in the years to come.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/16/13 08:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Changing topic. How are the A teams outside the elites? These elite teams seem crowded. I would prefer my son playing on a team that was just very good. Teams like the Outlaws, Jesters, fl$, etc. What's better 20+ minutes playing with kids that are very good and jare cosched well. Or playing very limited and be on an elite?


IMHO - I would rather have my son on the best team possible with the best coaches possible, the summer is all about getting better, and you get better in practice and practicing against better players not in games. Having said that, after Xtreme, TLI and Terps I think that the next best teams are 91 white, outlaws and fl$, so many new teams are popping up that until you get into the summer you don't know who is going to be competitive, always pick coaches not organizations


I can agree and disagree, but that's why it is an interesting debate. However, what if you're son is unhappy because he isn't seeing the field. It is sort of like HS already, but here you can change teams...


The child being happy is the most important part of the equation - happy and enjoying playing lacrosse trumps all
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/16/13 09:04 PM
Dec14th was the date to secure your spot on the showcase teams for Brine by paying $150.00. do you think they will have players drop out? If so will they be replaced from the players cut?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/16/13 11:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Changing topic. How are the A teams outside the elites? These elite teams seem crowded. I would prefer my son playing on a team that was just very good. Teams like the Outlaws, Jesters, fl$, etc. What's better 20+ minutes playing with kids that are very good and jare cosched well. Or playing very limited and be on an elite?


IMHO - I would rather have my son on the best team possible with the best coaches possible, the summer is all about getting better, and you get better in practice and practicing against better players not in games. Having said that, after Xtreme, TLI and Terps I think that the next best teams are 91 white, outlaws and fl$, so many new teams are popping up that until you get into the summer you don't know who is going to be competitive, always pick coaches not organizations


I can agree and disagree, but that's why it is an interesting debate. However, what if you're son is unhappy because he isn't seeing the field. It is sort of like HS already, but here you can change teams...


The child being happy is the most important part of the equation - happy and enjoying playing lacrosse trumps all


I think so. And I'll preface this with... no I don't think any of the next level of teams can compete with the elites (TLI white, Extreme & Terps), but it is still good quality lax and quality coaching on the following teams. (Outlaws Black, Express Wolverines, Jesters Black, 91 Orange, fl$, TLI Red) Those 6 teams would have a great time playing each other.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/17/13 01:08 PM
3d sent an e-mail to individuals attending the 3d bluechip camp

Included is a section with recruiting advice. This particular bullet from the recruiting timeline stood out for me:

Quote
PG year? Repeat junior year? Repeating the sophomore/freshmen/8th year is the smarter way to go as repeating sophomore or junior year is sometimes late for the class behind you.


This is the actual advice being provided by 3d to players
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/17/13 01:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
3d sent an e-mail to individuals attending the 3d bluechip camp

Included is a section with recruiting advice. This particular bullet from the recruiting timeline stood out for me:

Quote
PG year? Repeat junior year? Repeating the sophomore/freshmen/8th year is the smarter way to go as repeating sophomore or junior year is sometimes late for the class behind you.


This is the actual advice being provided by 3d to players
Any organization which has gone on record to repeat a year of scholastic (High School) work in order to take another shot at a lacrosse scholarship should be run out of town. This is an embarrassment to the sport not to mention the impact on the individual student.

As we have written earlier on the board, the stigma for a student being held back can bring about socialization issues in addition to boredom of repeating classes and missing the opportunity to graduate with your core friends (who will move on without the star lacrosse stud).

Remember that some states like California have already enacted legislation regarding the number of years of High School sports eligibility. This occurs in football more often (the public to private back to public shuffle) where four years of eligibility are used at the varsity level before senior year of High School. In such situations, many players cannot participate in their senior seasons. Expect that NYSPHSAA will be looking at the issue regarding the number of years of athletic participation versus the academic progress rate.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/17/13 02:36 PM
What does PG mean?
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/17/13 02:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What does PG mean?
Post Graduate. In other words, a "thirteenth grade" or preparatory year before entering college.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/17/13 03:25 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
3d sent an e-mail to individuals attending the 3d bluechip camp

Included is a section with recruiting advice. This particular bullet from the recruiting timeline stood out for me:

Quote
PG year? Repeat junior year? Repeating the sophomore/freshmen/8th year is the smarter way to go as repeating sophomore or junior year is sometimes late for the class behind you.


This is the actual advice being provided by 3d to players
Any organization which has gone on record to repeat a year of scholastic (High School) work in order to take another shot at a lacrosse scholarship should be run out of town. This is an embarrassment to the sport not to mention the impact on the individual student.

As we have written earlier on the board, the stigma for a student being held back can bring about socialization issues in addition to boredom of repeating classes and missing the opportunity to graduate with your core friends (who will move on without the star lacrosse stud).

Remember that some states like California have already enacted legislation regarding the number of years of High School sports eligibility. This occurs in football more often (the public to private back to public shuffle) where four years of eligibility are used at the varsity level before senior year of High School. In such situations, many players cannot participate in their senior seasons. Expect that NYSPHSAA will be looking at the issue regarding the number of years of athletic participation versus the academic progress rate.


There is a legitimate place for this, and in some fairness to 3D, the kids social well being is not their responsibility it is the parents. 3D is advising kids and parents on how to get recruited. You are not going to get ROI of an extra year of private school vs. extra scholarship money but it may help you get into a top academic school that if you stayed in your regular grade you may not have, it is a huge advantage in grades and on the field. Parents and players should use whatever they can to get into the best school possible and repeating 8th grade is an option just like private lessons and SAT tutors. Like it or not it is working for a lot of kids
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/17/13 06:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
3d sent an e-mail to individuals attending the 3d bluechip camp

Included is a section with recruiting advice. This particular bullet from the recruiting timeline stood out for me:

Quote
PG year? Repeat junior year? Repeating the sophomore/freshmen/8th year is the smarter way to go as repeating sophomore or junior year is sometimes late for the class behind you.


This is the actual advice being provided by 3d to players
Any organization which has gone on record to repeat a year of scholastic (High School) work in order to take another shot at a lacrosse scholarship should be run out of town. This is an embarrassment to the sport not to mention the impact on the individual student.

As we have written earlier on the board, the stigma for a student being held back can bring about socialization issues in addition to boredom of repeating classes and missing the opportunity to graduate with your core friends (who will move on without the star lacrosse stud).

Remember that some states like California have already enacted legislation regarding the number of years of High School sports eligibility. This occurs in football more often (the public to private back to public shuffle) where four years of eligibility are used at the varsity level before senior year of High School. In such situations, many players cannot participate in their senior seasons. Expect that NYSPHSAA will be looking at the issue regarding the number of years of athletic participation versus the academic progress rate.


There is a legitimate place for this, and in some fairness to 3D, the kids social well being is not their responsibility it is the parents. 3D is advising kids and parents on how to get recruited. You are not going to get ROI of an extra year of private school vs. extra scholarship money but it may help you get into a top academic school that if you stayed in your regular grade you may not have, it is a huge advantage in grades and on the field. Parents and players should use whatever they can to get into the best school possible and repeating 8th grade is an option just like private lessons and SAT tutors. Like it or not it is working for a lot of kids


There is a legitimate place for this, and in some fairness to 3D, the kids social well being is not their responsibility it is the parents.

Does anyone else see an issue with this or is it just me.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/17/13 07:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
3d sent an e-mail to individuals attending the 3d bluechip camp

Included is a section with recruiting advice. This particular bullet from the recruiting timeline stood out for me:

Quote
PG year? Repeat junior year? Repeating the sophomore/freshmen/8th year is the smarter way to go as repeating sophomore or junior year is sometimes late for the class behind you.


This is the actual advice being provided by 3d to players
Any organization which has gone on record to repeat a year of scholastic (High School) work in order to take another shot at a lacrosse scholarship should be run out of town. This is an embarrassment to the sport not to mention the impact on the individual student.

As we have written earlier on the board, the stigma for a student being held back can bring about socialization issues in addition to boredom of repeating classes and missing the opportunity to graduate with your core friends (who will move on without the star lacrosse stud).

Remember that some states like California have already enacted legislation regarding the number of years of High School sports eligibility. This occurs in football more often (the public to private back to public shuffle) where four years of eligibility are used at the varsity level before senior year of High School. In such situations, many players cannot participate in their senior seasons. Expect that NYSPHSAA will be looking at the issue regarding the number of years of athletic participation versus the academic progress rate.


There is a legitimate place for this, and in some fairness to 3D, the kids social well being is not their responsibility it is the parents. 3D is advising kids and parents on how to get recruited. You are not going to get ROI of an extra year of private school vs. extra scholarship money but it may help you get into a top academic school that if you stayed in your regular grade you may not have, it is a huge advantage in grades and on the field. Parents and players should use whatever they can to get into the best school possible and repeating 8th grade is an option just like private lessons and SAT tutors. Like it or not it is working for a lot of kids


If at first you can't succeed, at your own age, CHEAT and play against the little kids... Ahhh the life lessons some parents teach. Is there no end to depths folks will sink? What's next? Lying about your race? I guess that's ok too. I get it, you can call it race reclassification. That might be another way of stealing a spot at the school you want him to get into. See a trend here? Lying, Cheating, Stealing.... These lessons your teaching won't manifest themselves in other ways when he gets older, don't worry.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/17/13 08:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If at first you can't succeed, at your own age, CHEAT and play against the little kids... Ahhh the life lessons some parents teach. Is there no end to depths folks will sink? What's next? Lying about your race? I guess that's ok too. I get it, you can call it race reclassification. That might be another way of stealing a spot at the school you want him to get into. See a trend here? Lying, Cheating, Stealing.... These lessons your teaching won't manifest themselves in other ways when he gets older, don't worry.
First, the idea of replaying a grade is NOT cheating. You might not like it and BOTC might not like it, but it is not cheating. Now, the NYSPHSAA might clamp down on this process in the coming months, however until such time, there is nothing illegal about the move.

Again, the issues surrounding the social stigma of being "left back", leaving your on-age friends, and not graduating "on time" just to pursue lacrosse seem like an absolutely misplaced sense of priorities to us. Misplaced, but not cheating.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/17/13 08:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is a legitimate place for this, and in some fairness to 3D, the kids social well being is not their responsibility it is the parents.
Does anyone else see an issue with this or is it just me.
To be honest, BOTC thought the expressed opinion was so outlandish that we had not bothered to reply.

Our message board provides an equal opportunity for everyone to prove their foolishness. The poster who does not believe that the club has a role in social development is just taking advantage of the opportunity.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/17/13 08:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
3d sent an e-mail to individuals attending the 3d bluechip camp

Included is a section with recruiting advice. This particular bullet from the recruiting timeline stood out for me:

Quote
PG year? Repeat junior year? Repeating the sophomore/freshmen/8th year is the smarter way to go as repeating sophomore or junior year is sometimes late for the class behind you.


This is the actual advice being provided by 3d to players
Any organization which has gone on record to repeat a year of scholastic (High School) work in order to take another shot at a lacrosse scholarship should be run out of town. This is an embarrassment to the sport not to mention the impact on the individual student.

As we have written earlier on the board, the stigma for a student being held back can bring about socialization issues in addition to boredom of repeating classes and missing the opportunity to graduate with your core friends (who will move on without the star lacrosse stud).

Remember that some states like California have already enacted legislation regarding the number of years of High School sports eligibility. This occurs in football more often (the public to private back to public shuffle) where four years of eligibility are used at the varsity level before senior year of High School. In such situations, many players cannot participate in their senior seasons. Expect that NYSPHSAA will be looking at the issue regarding the number of years of athletic participation versus the academic progress rate.


There is a legitimate place for this, and in some fairness to 3D, the kids social well being is not their responsibility it is the parents. 3D is advising kids and parents on how to get recruited. You are not going to get ROI of an extra year of private school vs. extra scholarship money but it may help you get into a top academic school that if you stayed in your regular grade you may not have, it is a huge advantage in grades and on the field. Parents and players should use whatever they can to get into the best school possible and repeating 8th grade is an option just like private lessons and SAT tutors. Like it or not it is working for a lot of kids


If at first you can't succeed, at your own age, CHEAT and play against the little kids... Ahhh the life lessons some parents teach. Is there no end to depths folks will sink? What's next? Lying about your race? I guess that's ok too. I get it, you can call it race reclassification. That might be another way of stealing a spot at the school you want him to get into. See a trend here? Lying, Cheating, Stealing.... These lessons your teaching won't manifest themselves in other ways when he gets older, don't worry.


From the 2017 board:


There are kids on "Every Team" that are older than the norm.

PAL / Town Teams at the youth level.

Club Teams at the youth level.

Middle School / JHS Teams.

Club Teams in the 7th and 8th grade.

JV and Varsity High School Teams.

HS Club Teams.

College Teams.

Are they all 'Cheaters" ? Are the parents who hold the child back from starting Kindergarden any different than the parents who hold the child back in the 9th grade? Are they Different than the parents who have their child do a Post Graduate Year at a Prep School? Are they different from the Parents who agree to have their child Redshirt in College?

Did Garden City have any holdbacks last Year? How about Ward Melville? I would bet that there are some boys at WM and GC who are holdbacks. What about Duke? Is Rob Pannell a cheater? Pannell did a PG year after HS and Redshirted at Cornell, Did Cornell Cheat? Is Pannell a Cheater? Did he take the spot of another kid?

This has been going on for a very long time. Starting school late, switching from public to private after 9th grade, PGing and redshirting have all been going on for as long as I can remember.

My kids are in the grade that the School District says they should be in but when the time comes maybe I will consider one of the options available.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/17/13 09:07 PM
There was a time when PGs were used to allow an athlete to improve his academic resume and spend an extra year preparing for the academic rigors of a top academic university (Ivy, Service Academy, etc...) I am okay with this. In this case, the agreement to PG occurs in Senior year.

HS Sophs agreeing to do PG years in order to attend UVA and PSU (after only Freshman grades are in) just doesn't make sense. The University admission departments should shut this down at it is a smear on the reputation of the university. Adults are not acting in the best interest of children.

Does Penn State admissions really believe that a current HS sophmore is unfit for admission in Fall 2016 but with one year of PG will be fit for admission in Fall 2017? Same for UVA? When does the applicant actually apply to the university?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/17/13 09:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There was a time when PGs were used to allow an athlete to improve his academic resume and spend an extra year preparing for the academic rigors of a top academic university (Ivy, Service Academy, etc...) I am okay with this. In this case, the agreement to PG occurs in Senior year.

HS Sophs agreeing to do PG years in order to attend UVA and PSU (after only Freshman grades are in) just doesn't make sense. The University admission departments should shut this down at it is a smear on the reputation of the university. Adults are not acting in the best interest of children.

Does Penn State admissions really believe that a current HS sophmore is unfit for admission in Fall 2016 but with one year of PG will be fit for admission in Fall 2017? Same for UVA? When does the applicant actually apply to the university?


So, when the kid "Athlete" did not have the grades to be accepted to an IVY League University after 3.5 years of HS he was able to go to a Prep School in order to get his grades up? Athletics were an after thought? In the old days, were any of the kids who needed a PG year also start kindergarden late?

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/17/13 10:46 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage

Our message board provides an equal opportunity for everyone to prove their foolishness. The poster who does not believe that the club has a role in social development is just taking advantage of the opportunity.


foolishness? these hold backs are committing to the top academic and top lacrosse schools in the country. Our kids are crying that it is not fair.

Is it cheating when a kid gets private lessons from Rob Parnell because his parents can afford it while a "better" player can only practice against the wall because that's all his folks can afford or is it fair that a really good player may never become a great player because he can not afford travel lacrosse? If you have the means and opportunity to advance your kid you do it.

For 3D to explain to their clients that repeating a grade is an option to help them get an advantage is not outrageous at all, in fact any organization that did not at least explain that as an option is not doing their job.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/17/13 10:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
3d sent an e-mail to individuals attending the 3d bluechip camp

Included is a section with recruiting advice. This particular bullet from the recruiting timeline stood out for me:

Quote
PG year? Repeat junior year? Repeating the sophomore/freshmen/8th year is the smarter way to go as repeating sophomore or junior year is sometimes late for the class behind you.


This is the actual advice being provided by 3d to players


This IS good recruiting advice. - I know first hand of a kid who went to 3D as a 2016 and did not receive an invite to Jake Reed, he repeated 8th grade a re-classified as a 2017 and has now verbally committed to a top team and top school. How can anybody question their decision or question repeating 8th grade as a viable strategy?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/18/13 12:15 AM
In the ultimate holding back - Casey Carroll will play his final season at Duke this year, Casey graduated Duke in '07 with one year of eligibility left but decided to do 5 years PG in Afghanistan, came back last year but hurt his leg so he red shirted and now, at age 29 will play his final year.

Or as most LI lax parents would say.....cheater
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/18/13 04:16 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the ultimate holding back - Casey Carroll will play his final season at Duke this year, Casey graduated Duke in '07 with one year of eligibility left but decided to do 5 years PG in Afghanistan, came back last year but hurt his leg so he red shirted and now, at age 29 will play his final year.

Or as most LI lax parents would say.....cheater


No that would be an adult playing other adults. Your 16 yo playing against 14yo kids because he can't compete at his own age is CHEATING. Hope that clears it up for you... Nighty night.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/18/13 01:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

....
Did Garden City have any holdbacks last Year? How about Ward Melville? I would bet that there are some boys at WM and GC who are holdbacks. ...


Only a fool would bet against you on that point.

Hold-backs in every grade, in almost every sport, here in the garden. There are always going to be kids who start late or are held back for developmental issues or concerns, in every school district. But then there are plenty of "gamers" who were held back (admittedly by their parents) to give them an advantage athletically and even academically. It's all a matter of degree. A kid born in mid-November ... not unreasonable to start school one grade back. But how about a kid with an August birthday? Less reasonable. It definitely happens all the time.

Doesn't mean these kids are dominant on the field or in the classroom, but at least some of them are. Also, it is undeniable that all of the hold-backs are performing better relative to the "grade" they are in than their age-based peers. Which is why the parents did what they did.

Not unlawful, but clearly the rest of our children are disadvantaged by this.

And there is certainly a stigma for some of the hold-backs, where it is known they are much older than the other kids in the grade. Every goal, every hit, every jump shot ... people say "he's good, but you know, he is a year older than everyone else out there". I have heard that at least 500 times over the years, and admittedly, have also said it myself.

This is the system. For now at least.
Posted By: Maniac Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/18/13 03:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the ultimate holding back - Casey Carroll will play his final season at Duke this year, Casey graduated Duke in '07 with one year of eligibility left but decided to do 5 years PG in Afghanistan, came back last year but hurt his leg so he red shirted and now, at age 29 will play his final year.

Or as most LI lax parents would say.....cheater


This comment is disgraceful! That fact that you would even mention his name and what he did for this country in this thread is unbelievable. He served his country and fought for your freedoms. The NCAA did the right and proper thing by waving the 5 in 4 rule for last year's season and after his injury before the season started last year by giving him his medical red-shirt to play this year. He is getting his well deserved chance to finish his dream of dodging an opponent on a DI college lacrosse field, instead of dodging a bullet in Afghanistan.

Last night, I sat my 8 yr old son and my 12 yr old nephew down and had them read about Casey Carroll and his sacrifices he made and his perseverance. This is what a true hero looks like! Show your kid what hard work looks like instead of showing them a shortcut to being one year bigger and stronger than their classmate/teammate!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/18/13 03:35 PM
I am not suggesting it is bad recruiting advice. 3d is doing right by its followers given the current landscape.

I am of the camp that believes that a boy who couldn't earn a roster spot when competing against kids his own age and therefore reclassifies and builds a resume based on playing against younger boys, simply isn't as good as the college coaches may think.

I believe and am rooting hard that the schools who early recruit re-classified players fail and fail miserably. I hope very much that UVA, JHU and UNC (who I see as worst offenders) underperform vs. recruiting class rank as UNC has done for years and UVA/JHU did last year. Specifically I expect these schools to lose top lax school status from 2017 onwards. The 2016 HS class is the class where the the line was really crossed this is why the 2017 season is the tell all season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This IS good recruiting advice. - I know first hand of a kid who went to 3D as a 2016 and did not receive an invite to Jake Reed, he repeated 8th grade a re-classified as a 2017 and has now verbally committed to a top team and top school. How can anybody question their decision or question repeating 8th grade as a viable strategy?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/18/13 07:09 PM
Originally Posted by Maniac
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the ultimate holding back - Casey Carroll will play his final season at Duke this year, Casey graduated Duke in '07 with one year of eligibility left but decided to do 5 years PG in Afghanistan, came back last year but hurt his leg so he red shirted and now, at age 29 will play his final year.

Or as most LI lax parents would say.....cheater


This comment is disgraceful! That fact that you would even mention his name and what he did for this country in this thread is unbelievable. He served his country and fought for your freedoms. The NCAA did the right and proper thing by waving the 5 in 4 rule for last year's season and after his injury before the season started last year by giving him his medical red-shirt to play this year. He is getting his well deserved chance to finish his dream of dodging an opponent on a DI college lacrosse field, instead of dodging a bullet in Afghanistan.

Last night, I sat my 8 yr old son and my 12 yr old nephew down and had them read about Casey Carroll and his sacrifices he made and his perseverance. This is what a true hero looks like! Show your kid what hard work looks like instead of showing them a shortcut to being one year bigger and stronger than their classmate/teammate!



maniac i believe the poster was being sarcastic
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/02/14 01:28 AM
So How does the LI competition stack up at this age group. There has to be more teams

91 Extreme
Team LI White
Terps
91 Orange
Jesters
fl$
Outlaws
Wolverines
Tomahawks
....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/02/14 02:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So How does the LI competition stack up at this age group. There has to be more teams

91 Extreme
Team LI White
Terps
91 Orange
Jesters
fl$
Outlaws
Wolverines
Tomahawks
....


IMHO you have 4 groups here

1) 91 Extreme in a class by themselves

2) TLI is an aged based team and not a 2018

3) Terps

4) Everybody else
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/02/14 03:30 PM
Very fair assessment
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/02/14 03:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So How does the LI competition stack up at this age group. There has to be more teams

91 Extreme
Team LI White
Terps
91 Orange
Jesters
fl$
Outlaws
Wolverines
Tomahawks
....


IMHO you have 4 groups here

1) 91 Extreme in a class by themselves

2) TLI is an aged based team and not a 2018

3) Terps

4) Everybody else


Son not on Extreme, TLI or Terps. Fair statement, until proven otherwise. My guess is the Terps will get some tougher than expected games from the everybody else category this summer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/02/14 04:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So How does the LI competition stack up at this age group. There has to be more teams

91 Extreme
Team LI White
Terps
91 Orange
Jesters
fl$
Outlaws
Wolverines
Tomahawks
....


IMHO you have 4 groups here

1) 91 Extreme in a class by themselves

2) TLI is an aged based team and not a 2018

3) Terps

4) Everybody else


Son not on Extreme, TLI or Terps. Fair statement, until proven otherwise. My guess is the Terps will get some tougher than expected games from the everybody else category this summer.


Not sure why you isolate the TERPs, I think the "Everybody else" group will provide challenges to any of, what is deemed, the top 3.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/02/14 05:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So How does the LI competition stack up at this age group. There has to be more teams

91 Extreme
Team LI White
Terps
91 Orange
Jesters
fl$
Outlaws
Wolverines
Tomahawks
....


IMHO you have 4 groups here

1) 91 Extreme in a class by themselves

2) TLI is an aged based team and not a 2018

3) Terps

4) Everybody else


I would rank them the same way, but I wouldn't put 91 in a class by themselves! They are not dominant like the Turtles or what Crush is doing. Terps gave them fits last summer and TLI always gives them fits. That being said they earned the 1 spot, but they can be beat. Being in a class by yourself means that you are head and shoulders better than everyone else. Not the case here!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/02/14 05:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So How does the LI competition stack up at this age group. There has to be more teams

91 Extreme
Team LI White
Terps
91 Orange
Jesters
fl$
Outlaws
Wolverines
Tomahawks
....


IMHO you have 4 groups here

1) 91 Extreme in a class by themselves

2) TLI is an aged based team and not a 2018

3) Terps

4) Everybody else


Son not on Extreme, TLI or Terps. Fair statement, until proven otherwise. My guess is the Terps will get some tougher than expected games from the everybody else category this summer.


Not sure why you isolate the TERPs, I think the "Everybody else" group will provide challenges to any of, what is deemed, the top 3.


I isolated the Terps because I think they are a lot better then the other teams and the original post was asking opinions and that is what I was trying to give. I agree that some of the other teams can and will play competitive games with the terps but no 2018 team on LI can compete with Extreme, forget about beating them, they can not compete with them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/02/14 05:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So How does the LI competition stack up at this age group. There has to be more teams

91 Extreme
Team LI White
Terps
91 Orange
Jesters
fl$
Outlaws
Wolverines
Tomahawks
....


IMHO you have 4 groups here

1) 91 Extreme in a class by themselves

2) TLI is an aged based team and not a 2018

3) Terps

4) Everybody else


Son not on Extreme, TLI or Terps. Fair statement, until proven otherwise. My guess is the Terps will get some tougher than expected games from the everybody else category this summer.


Not sure why you isolate the TERPs, I think the "Everybody else" group will provide challenges to any of, what is deemed, the top 3.


Unless the teams in the "everyone else" category made major improvements they will not challenge the top 3! That being said as they get older the teams get closer and closer!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/02/14 07:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So How does the LI competition stack up at this age group. There has to be more teams

91 Extreme
Team LI White
Terps
91 Orange
Jesters
fl$
Outlaws
Wolverines
Tomahawks
....


1. 91 Extreme
2. Express Terps
3. fl$
4. 91 Orange
5. Jesters A
6. Express Wolverines
7. Outlaws A
8. Wantagh Tribe
9. Tomahawks
10. Legacy A
11. Express Piranhas
12. Outlaws B
13. 91 White
14. Recon
15. Threshers
16. Legacy B
17. Jesters B
18. Checkmate
19. Lax Warriors
20. Hitmen
21. 91 Stampede

I am not including any Team LI because they are aged based. This is for 2018 only.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/02/14 09:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So How does the LI competition stack up at this age group. There has to be more teams

91 Extreme
Team LI White
Terps
91 Orange
Jesters
fl$
Outlaws
Wolverines
Tomahawks
....


IMHO you have 4 groups here

1) 91 Extreme in a class by themselves

2) TLI is an aged based team and not a 2018

3) Terps

4) Everybody else


Son not on Extreme, TLI or Terps. Fair statement, until proven otherwise. My guess is the Terps will get some tougher than expected games from the everybody else category this summer.


Not sure why you isolate the TERPs, I think the "Everybody else" group will provide challenges to any of, what is deemed, the top 3.


I isolate TERPS because they are simply not as strong as Extreme or TLI, until proven otherwise. With all due respect to the TERPS, they are a great team and will most likely beat the teams in the all the other category. However, some of these other teams will give them a better run this year. Some of these teams have improved quite a bit! No trash talk here, better competition is better for all the teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/02/14 09:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So How does the LI competition stack up at this age group. There has to be more teams

91 Extreme
Team LI White
Terps
91 Orange
Jesters
fl$
Outlaws
Wolverines
Tomahawks
....


1. 91 Extreme
2. Express Terps
3. fl$
4. 91 Orange
5. Jesters A
6. Express Wolverines
7. Outlaws A
8. Wantagh Tribe
9. Tomahawks
10. Legacy A
11. Express Piranhas
12. Outlaws B
13. 91 White
14. Recon
15. Threshers
16. Legacy B
17. Jesters B
18. Checkmate
19. Lax Warriors
20. Hitmen
21. 91 Stampede

I am not including any Team LI becauseWant us to drive. ? Johnson's waiting in car so we are back out they are aged based. This is for 2018 only.


If your going to add town teams in you have to put a bunch of them in before bottom 10!

Smithtown, Garden City, West Islip, Masdapequa etc.....

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/02/14 09:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So How does the LI competition stack up at this age group. There has to be more teams

91 Extreme
Team LI White
Terps
91 Orange
Jesters
fl$
Outlaws
Wolverines
Tomahawks
....


1. 91 Extreme
2. Express Terps
3. fl$
4. 91 Orange
5. Jesters A
6. Express Wolverines
7. Outlaws A
8. Wantagh Tribe
9. Tomahawks
10. Legacy A
11. Express Piranhas
12. Outlaws B
13. 91 White
14. Recon
15. Threshers
16. Legacy B
17. Jesters B
18. Checkmate
19. Lax Warriors
20. Hitmen
21. 91 Stampede

I am not including any Team LI because they are aged based. This is for 2018 only.


Wow - I am a 2018 parent and I have never heard of a few
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/02/14 10:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So How does the LI competition stack up at this age group. There has to be more teams

91 Extreme
Team LI White
Terps
91 Orange
Jesters
fl$
Outlaws
Wolverines
Tomahawks
....


1. 91 Extreme
2. Express Terps
3. fl$
4. 91 Orange
5. Jesters A
6. Express Wolverines
7. Outlaws A
8. Wantagh Tribe
9. Tomahawks
10. Legacy A
11. Express Piranhas
12. Outlaws B
13. 91 White
14. Recon
15. Threshers
16. Legacy B
17. Jesters B
18. Checkmate
19. Lax Warriors
20. Hitmen
21. 91 Stampede

I am not including any Team LI because they are aged based. This is for 2018 only.


Wow - I am a 2018 parent and I have never heard of a few


I have to say that is pretty good. Sure there can be interchangeable teams between - it is a pretty good ranking. Somebody should talk to TLI and enter a grade based combo team. Not saying they change their U based approached (that is their god given right). Just saying put a combo team in for like 2 or 3 tourneys. They practice together anyway all week at those clinics that Gongas runs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/02/14 11:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So How does the LI competition stack up at this age group. There has to be more teams

91 Extreme
Team LI White
Terps
91 Orange
Jesters
fl$
Outlaws
Wolverines
Tomahawks
....


1. 91 Extreme
2. Express Terps
3. fl$
4. 91 Orange
5. Jesters A
6. Express Wolverines
7. Outlaws A
8. Wantagh Tribe
9. Tomahawks
10. Legacy A
11. Express Piranhas
12. Outlaws B
13. 91 White
14. Recon
15. Threshers
16. Legacy B
17. Jesters B
18. Checkmate
19. Lax Warriors
20. Hitmen
21. 91 Stampede

I am not including any Team LI because they are aged based. This is for 2018 only.


How does fl$ finish abound Wolverines and Jesters when they beat them several times last year??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/03/14 12:11 AM
funny, terps played extreme in two tournaments last year, shamrock and laxfest. they lost 2 games and won one...won the championship at laxfest.

this year they played one game and terps lost by 3 or 4. that same day terps lost to dukes, team li, and 365. no excuses but even good teams have bad days...not to mention some of the boys were beat up from football.

extreme is a very good team, but they will lose their fair share this year, they are certainly beatable.

let's all wait and see what the summer season brings, lots of good competition.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/03/14 12:29 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So How does the LI competition stack up at this age group. There has to be more teams

91 Extreme
Team LI White
Terps
91 Orange
Jesters
fl$
Outlaws
Wolverines
Tomahawks
....


1. 91 Extreme
2. Express Terps
3. fl$
4. 91 Orange
5. Jesters A
6. Express Wolverines
7. Outlaws A
8. Wantagh Tribe
9. Tomahawks
10. Legacy A
11. Express Piranhas
12. Outlaws B
13. 91 White
14. Recon
15. Threshers
16. Legacy B
17. Jesters B
18. Checkmate
19. Lax Warriors
20. Hitmen
21. 91 Stampede

I am not including any Team LI because they are aged based. This is for 2018 only.


Wow - I am a 2018 parent and I have never heard of a few


I have to say that is pretty good. Sure there can be interchangeable teams between - it is a pretty good ranking. Somebody should talk to TLI and enter a grade based combo team. Not saying they change their U based approached (that is their god given right). Just saying put a combo team in for like 2 or 3 tourneys. They practice together anyway all week at those clinics that Gongas runs.


I'd have to agree, especially with 3 thru 7. Those teams last summer played each other to 1 goal games either way, I suspect the same this summer, with some of them beginning to challenge the top two. Best to all the boys on all the 2018 teams moving forward. There will be many, many D1,D2 and D3 players from this grade in the years to come. I for one hope we 2018 parents can stay positive. Maybe we can promote healthy competition in this age group to better prepare these young men for whatever their college lacrosse aspirations are. The more they push each other, the better they all will become.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/03/14 02:14 AM
Recon has 2 teams, True Blue has 2, Vipers and HDD had 2 last summer. Don't know what they have this year. LI Thunder, LI Pride and Million Force had teams last year. Wantagh Tribe is good town team that played at B level and won a few tournaments. I don't think they are in top Garden City, Smithtown,3V level though. I don't know about Syosset, W.I., S.W.R., or Massapequa , but I think they do mostly spring tournaments, then kids do summer club.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/03/14 02:32 AM
Is Jester's A the same team that went to [lacrosse]'s? If so, surprised to see such a high ranking. A lot of teams that finished higher than Jesters are not even the best team in their Not Hot Bed areas - if so, this bodes well for the rest of the Country and Canada - other posts on the Dicks thread suggested that they were a B team

Originally Posted by Anonymous


1. 91 Extreme
2. Express Terps
3. fl$
4. 91 Orange
5. Jesters A
6. Express Wolverines
7. Outlaws A
8. Wantagh Tribe
9. Tomahawks
10. Legacy A
11. Express Piranhas
12. Outlaws B
13. 91 White
14. Recon
15. Threshers
16. Legacy B
17. Jesters B
18. Checkmate
19. Lax Warriors
20. Hitmen
21. 91 Stampede

I am not including any Team LI because they are aged based. This is for 2018 only.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/03/14 02:32 AM
Anyone know what happened to 91Raiders, where did those kids go ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/03/14 03:41 AM
I agree putting wantagh on the list and leaving out smithtown, syosset, three village who will beat wantagh tribe!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/03/14 11:01 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So How does the LI competition stack up at this age group. There has to be more teams

91 Extreme
Team LI White
Terps
91 Orange
Jesters
fl$
Outlaws
Wolverines
Tomahawks
....


1. 91 Extreme
2. Express Terps
3. fl$
4. 91 Orange
5. Jesters A
6. Express Wolverines
7. Outlaws A
8. Wantagh Tribe
9. Tomahawks
10. Legacy A
11. Express Piranhas
12. Outlaws B
13. 91 White
14. Recon
15. Threshers
16. Legacy B
17. Jesters B
18. Checkmate
19. Lax Warriors
20. Hitmen
21. 91 Stampede

I am not including any Team LI because they are aged based. This is for 2018 only.


Wow - I am a 2018 parent and I have never heard of a few


I have to say that is pretty good. Sure there can be interchangeable teams between - it is a pretty good ranking. Somebody should talk to TLI and enter a grade based combo team. Not saying they change their U based approached (that is their god given right). Just saying put a combo team in for like 2 or 3 tourneys. They practice together anyway all week at those clinics that Gongas runs.


I'd have to agree, especially with 3 thru 7. Those teams last summer played each other to 1 goal games either way, I suspect the same this summer, with some of them beginning to challenge the top two. Best to all the boys on all the 2018 teams moving forward. There will be many, many D1,D2 and D3 players from this grade in the years to come. I for one hope we 2018 parents can stay positive. Maybe we can promote healthy competition in this age group to better prepare these young men for whatever their college lacrosse aspirations are. The more they push each other, the better they all will become.


I agree. I would like to see those 5 teams playing each other. Parents get your coaches to put them all in the Shamrock. It will be a nice primer for the summer. These teams are filled with really good players and would be fun to watch the best of rest.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/03/14 01:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So How does the LI competition stack up at this age group. There has to be more teams

91 Extreme
Team LI White
Terps
91 Orange
Jesters
fl$
Outlaws
Wolverines
Tomahawks
....


1. 91 Extreme
2. Express Terps
3. fl$
4. 91 Orange
5. Jesters A
6. Express Wolverines
7. Outlaws A
8. Wantagh Tribe
9. Tomahawks
10. Legacy A
11. Express Piranhas
12. Outlaws B
13. 91 White
14. Recon
15. Threshers
16. Legacy B
17. Jesters B
18. Checkmate
19. Lax Warriors
20. Hitmen
21. 91 Stampede

I am not including any Team LI because they are aged based. This is for 2018 only.


How does fl$ finish abound Wolverines and Jesters when they beat them several times last year??


can't go by last year, several of the 3 and below teams had a lot of player changes. i believe fl$ picked up several who are capable of making extreme or terps but would rather get more play time which is what fl$ is all about.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/03/14 03:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree putting wantagh on the list and leaving out smithtown, syosset, three village who will beat wantagh tribe!!!!!


Appologies for adding Wantagh and not the rest of the town teams. I watched the Tribe play last year and this fall in a bunch of Tournaments. I didn't think they had players that played on other travel teams. Also appologies if I left out other Travel Teams. Trying to remember all the LI Teams is tough..
But feel free to add to the list.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/03/14 05:06 PM
Syosset and smithtown are the two
Best town teams on LI at this age hands Down.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/03/14 05:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syosset and smithtown are the two
Best town teams on LI at this age hands Down.


i suggest leaving town teams out of this discussion and have them prove who is the best on the field at the various town team tournaments that will be commencing in a few months. on any given day, a top notch travel team will beat the best town team, most towns just don't have the quality in all the positions, strong in some but not all.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/03/14 06:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syosset and smithtown are the two
Best town teams on LI at this age hands Down.

Hands down?? Smithtown East or west?? Combined absolutely, but that doesn't count. Three village, GC, Commack Northport and Mt Sinai are just as good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/03/14 06:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is Jester's A the same team that went to [lacrosse]'s? If so, surprised to see such a high ranking. A lot of teams that finished higher than Jesters are not even the best team in their Not Hot Bed areas - if so, this bodes well for the rest of the Country and Canada - other posts on the Dicks thread suggested that they were a B team

Originally Posted by Anonymous


1. 91 Extreme
2. Express Terps
3. fl$
4. 91 Orange
5. Jesters A
6. Express Wolverines
7. Outlaws A
8. Wantagh Tribe
9. Tomahawks
10. Legacy A
11. Express Piranhas
12. Outlaws B
13. 91 White
14. Recon
15. Threshers
16. Legacy B
17. Jesters B
18. Checkmate
19. Lax Warriors
20. Hitmen
21. 91 Stampede

I am not including any Team LI because they are aged based. This is for 2018 only.


If you weren't there you have no idea what your talking about. Teams 2 through 20 were all competitive teams. 20 through 28 not so much. Madlax was a national team and head and shoulders above rest. The amount of OT and one goal games tells the story of similar competition.

What team your kid play for?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/03/14 06:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is Jester's A the same team that went to [lacrosse]'s? If so, surprised to see such a high ranking. A lot of teams that finished higher than Jesters are not even the best team in their Not Hot Bed areas - if so, this bodes well for the rest of the Country and Canada - other posts on the Dicks thread suggested that they were a B team

Originally Posted by Anonymous


1. 91 Extreme
2. Express Terps
3. fl$
4. 91 Orange
5. Jesters A
6. Express Wolverines
7. Outlaws A
8. Wantagh Tribe
9. Tomahawks
10. Legacy A
11. Express Piranhas
12. Outlaws B
13. 91 White
14. Recon
15. Threshers
16. Legacy B
17. Jesters B
18. Checkmate
19. Lax Warriors
20. Hitmen
21. 91 Stampede

I am not including any Team LI because they are aged based. This is for 2018 only.


If you weren't there you have no idea what your talking about. Teams 2 through 20 were all competitive teams. 20 through 28 not so much. Madlax was a national team and head and shoulders above rest. The amount of OT and one goal games tells the story of similar competition.

What team your kid play for?


In fact, here is a post from the Jesters thread "Father of a madlax player here. Jesters were talented and played well. I think they were up early in the game. The goalie made som very nice saves early on from what I recall. Our boys were bigger, more physical and won more ground balls. Not sure if Jesters were younger, but it was a decent game and no reason for the Jesters not to feel good about it. They were perhaps the most skilled team we played, but there were others who were more physical." (Anonymous - 1/2014)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/03/14 06:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syosset and smithtown are the two
Best town teams on LI at this age hands Down.

Hands down?? Smithtown East or west?? Combined absolutely, but that doesn't count. Three village, GC, Commack Northport and Mt Sinai are just as good.


Town is just about over for these kids anyway - so let's leave them out. And I would bet a few of the better kids on the town teams are heading to one of the LI Catholics next year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/03/14 06:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syosset and smithtown are the two
Best town teams on LI at this age hands Down.

Hands down?? Smithtown East or west?? Combined absolutely, but that doesn't count. Three village, GC, Commack Northport and Mt Sinai are just as good.


Town teams are beatable by the better clubs, primarily because many of the better players from those towns play for the better clubs.

Every town program has to contend with parent coaches and/or school district coaches, all of whom bring varying levels of cronyism and nepotism to the field. Of course some private clubs have the same issues, but having done both, the private clubs have nowhere near the same level of unfairness and incompetence shown by our town program.

Best to rank the town teams separately, although I don't disagree that Syosset and Smithtown probably rank in the top half of that list depending on the day and who shows up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/03/14 07:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is Jester's A the same team that went to [lacrosse]'s? If so, surprised to see such a high ranking. A lot of teams that finished higher than Jesters are not even the best team in their Not Hot Bed areas - if so, this bodes well for the rest of the Country and Canada - other posts on the Dicks thread suggested that they were a B team

Originally Posted by Anonymous


1. 91 Extreme
2. Express Terps
3. fl$
4. 91 Orange
5. Jesters A
6. Express Wolverines
7. Outlaws A
8. Wantagh Tribe
9. Tomahawks
10. Legacy A
11. Express Piranhas
12. Outlaws B
13. 91 White
14. Recon
15. Threshers
16. Legacy B
17. Jesters B
18. Checkmate
19. Lax Warriors
20. Hitmen
21. 91 Stampede

I am not including any Team LI because they are aged based. This is for 2018 only.


If you weren't there you have no idea what your talking about. Teams 2 through 20 were all competitive teams. 20 through 28 not so much. Madlax was a national team and head and shoulders above rest. The amount of OT and one goal games tells the story of similar competition.

What team your kid play for?


If you're questioning the Jesters talent level, go on the jester tryout thread and see what a madlax parent thought of them. Also, as has been said here before, if you or your son have something to prove, have your Coach or Director call the Jesters and book a game. 2018 Black will play anybody, anytime, anywhere. You won't book a game though, you'd rather run your mouth on here from afar and bad mouth 13 year old boys...


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/03/14 08:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Syosset and smithtown are the two
Best town teams on LI at this age hands Down.

Hands down?? Smithtown East or west?? Combined absolutely, but that doesn't count. Three village, GC, Commack Northport and Mt Sinai are just as good.


Smithtown has a 2018 town team made up of east and west kids. Many extreme and terps kids
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/03/14 09:30 PM
All this talk about the Jesters is taking away from the U-13 Team of the Tournament(forget Madlax National and their director/coach)

I am talking about the Grand River Ironmen. This group beat every single team which finished 3rd-9th enroute to their 2nd place finish.

In Pool Play they had wins over eventual:
4th place - Jr Mammoth 8-2
5th place - Red Devil United 6-5
6th place - Tampa Elite 4-3
7th place - Cannons Select 8-3

In Bracket Play they had wins over eventual:
9th place - Team Minnesota 13-6
8th place - Ironclads 11-9
3rd place - FCA 11-5

They did not face a single cupcake the whole weekend

Games between eventual 2-8 were all competitive - most other teams had at least 1 blowout loss to one of these teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/03/14 10:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So How does the LI competition stack up at this age group. There has to be more teams

91 Extreme
Team LI White
Terps
91 Orange
Jesters
fl$
Outlaws
Wolverines
Tomahawks
....


1. 91 Extreme
2. Express Terps
3. fl$
4. 91 Orange
5. Jesters A
6. Express Wolverines
7. Outlaws A
8. Wantagh Tribe
9. Tomahawks
10. Legacy A
11. Express Piranhas
12. Outlaws B
13. 91 White
14. Recon
15. Threshers
16. Legacy B
17. Jesters B
18. Checkmate
19. Lax Warriors
20. Hitmen
21. 91 Stampede

I am not including any Team LI because they are aged based. This is for 2018 only.


How does fl$ finish abound Wolverines and Jesters when they beat them several times last year??


can't go by last year, several of the 3 and below teams had a lot of player changes. i believe fl$ picked up several who are capable of making extreme or terps but would rather get more play time which is what fl$ is all about.


Can't go by last year but you go by the rumor that they have "new" players that could have gone to Terps or Extreme??

Come on!

They also lost some very good players who did go to other top teams!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/04/14 12:21 AM
Ok, I am submitting a variation on the top Long Island club/town thread above. This one is my attempt at January power rankings for the 2018 teams (and TLI). This is based on Summer and Fall play, and is only based on the club teams I saw over that time, so no West Coast Stars or Madlax, for example - feel free to add them or others that you saw/played, but your list has to be 20 teams. This is entirely subjective, and meant to spark a friendly discussion on the top 20 teams. Below are my top 20 - feel free to post yours.

1. 91 Xtreme
2. Crabs
3. Victor
4. Team Long Island
5. Dukes
6. Superstar 365
7. Express Terps
8. Prime Time - Westchester
9. Bucks Select Red
10. Laxachusetts Black
11. Tri State
12. 91 Orange
13. Annapolis Hawks
14. NJ Patriots
15. 3D New England
16. Jesters
17. Texas Mustangs
18. NH Tomahawks
19. Baltimore Breakers
20. fl$
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/04/14 12:55 AM
Best Post
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All this talk about the Jesters is taking away from the U-13 Team of the Tournament(forget Madlax National and their director/coach)

I am talking about the Grand River Ironmen. This group beat every single team which finished 3rd-9th enroute to their 2nd place finish.

In Pool Play they had wins over eventual:
4th place - Jr Mammoth 8-2
5th place - Red Devil United 6-5
6th place - Tampa Elite 4-3
7th place - Cannons Select 8-3

In Bracket Play they had wins over eventual:
9th place - Team Minnesota 13-6
8th place - Ironclads 11-9
3rd place - FCA 11-5

They did not face a single cupcake the whole weekend

Games between eventual 2-8 were all competitive - most other teams had at least 1 blowout loss to one of these teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/04/14 01:26 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Best Post
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All this talk about the Jesters is taking away from the U-13 Team of the Tournament(forget Madlax National and their director/coach)

I am talking about the Grand River Ironmen. This group beat every single team which finished 3rd-9th enroute to their 2nd place finish.

In Pool Play they had wins over eventual:
4th place - Jr Mammoth 8-2
5th place - Red Devil United 6-5
6th place - Tampa Elite 4-3
7th place - Cannons Select 8-3

In Bracket Play they had wins over eventual:
9th place - Team Minnesota 13-6
8th place - Ironclads 11-9
3rd place - FCA 11-5

They did not face a single cupcake the whole weekend

Games between eventual 2-8 were all competitive - most other teams had at least 1 blowout loss to one of these teams


Anyone who played Madlax got blown out. But very good point. This was excellent team who played well all tournament.

Madlax was a very athletic, skilled and well coached team. Not sure what previous issues with coach/owner but this team was far and away the best team in the tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/04/14 01:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok, I am submitting a variation on the top Long Island club/town thread above. This one is my attempt at January power rankings for the 2018 teams (and TLI). This is based on Summer and Fall play, and is only based on the club teams I saw over that time, so no West Coast Stars or Madlax, for example - feel free to add them or others that you saw/played, but your list has to be 20 teams. This is entirely subjective, and meant to spark a friendly discussion on the top 20 teams. Below are my top 20 - feel free to post yours.

1. 91 Xtreme
2. Crabs
3. Victor
4. Team Long Island
5. Dukes
6. Superstar 365
7. Express Terps
8. Prime Time - Westchester
9. Bucks Select Red
10. Laxachusetts Black
11. Tri State
12. 91 Orange
13. Annapolis Hawks
14. NJ Patriots
15. 3D New England
16. Jesters
17. Texas Mustangs
18. NH Tomahawks
19. Baltimore Breakers
20. fl$


Nope adjustment needed. That is a very good list. That should be the A & AA for an invitational tourney.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/04/14 02:40 AM
Madlax in top five and sweetlax in top ten.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/04/14 03:19 AM
<<Deleted>> is saying are the official website for travel rankings. They ranked quite a few grades.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/04/14 12:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax in top five and sweetlax in top ten.


Madlax Is a national team. Sweet lax never saw a 2018 team
?? Are they grade based?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/04/14 04:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok, I am submitting a variation on the top Long Island club/town thread above. This one is my attempt at January power rankings for the 2018 teams (and TLI). This is based on Summer and Fall play, and is only based on the club teams I saw over that time, so no West Coast Stars or Madlax, for example - feel free to add them or others that you saw/played, but your list has to be 20 teams. This is entirely subjective, and meant to spark a friendly discussion on the top 20 teams. Below are my top 20 - feel free to post yours.

1. 91 Xtreme
2. Crabs
3. Victor
4. Team Long Island
5. Dukes
6. Superstar 365
7. Express Terps
8. Prime Time - Westchester
9. Bucks Select Red
10. Laxachusetts Black
11. Tri State
12. 91 Orange
13. Annapolis Hawks
14. NJ Patriots
15. 3D New England
16. Jesters
17. Texas Mustangs
18. NH Tomahawks
19. Baltimore Breakers
20. fl$


Nope adjustment needed. That is a very good list. That should be the A & AA for an invitational tourney.


Very good list. I think there is parity between teams 8 thru 20 that could yield 1 goal games either way on any given day. These rankings are fun, but unfortunately the "who's the best team" discussion will fade fast for this age group. With early recruiting the way it is, the focus will rapidly change for these kids. For many of them the process will begin over the next 6 to 12 months. Crazy, but true.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/05/14 05:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax in top five and sweetlax in top ten.


Madlax Is a national team. Sweet lax never saw a 2018 team
?? Are they grade based?


Madlax has a strong dc based team . They are 8th graders and won the Greene turtle and a few others this summer. The top fifteen or so on that team were the core of the national team that played in dicks and the young guns. A few Cali and Florida kids joined to make it a national team. I would put the dc based team pretty high here. Also move the hawks higher. They were strong this summer and have gotten stronger this fall
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/05/14 06:17 PM
Is this Victor team the upstate N.Y. town program ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/05/14 11:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is this Victor team the upstate N.Y. town program ?


Yes. They are very good but they are not top 3 for this age group. I can only assume that these rankings are based off last summer. The Dukes HHH 2018 team last year had seven 2019 kids on it and we managed to go 1-1 against 91 xtreme. This year we have a 2020, a 2019 and a 2018 team. The 2018 is very, very good. I guess we'll see just how good they are this summer but if I were to put money on it they'll be up there with team 91 and the crabs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/06/14 01:38 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is this Victor team the upstate N.Y. town program ?


Yes. They are very good but they are not top 3 for this age group. I can only assume that these rankings are based off last summer. The Dukes HHH 2018 team last year had seven 2019 kids on it and we managed to go 1-1 against 91 xtreme. This year we have a 2020, a 2019 and a 2018 team. The 2018 is very, very good. I guess we'll see just how good they are this summer but if I were to put money on it they'll be up there with team 91 and the crabs.


How many of the Dukes 2018 players will be 15 this summer??? I know they're all 2018. Blah, blah, blah... I know another LI parent whining about the truth...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/06/14 01:50 AM
Xtreme beat Dukes 2018 10-5 this fall.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/06/14 02:11 AM
I don't how good a list this is - the Wolverines beat the Jesters every time they played each other last spring/summer and beat fl$ in the JDRF. The Wolverines went unbeaten in fall play (2 ties). It is understood that every team has made changes from last year and it might make more sense to wait and see what happens when these teams actually play each other in 2014 before putting together a pretty silly ranking.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/06/14 03:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't how good a list this is - the Wolverines beat the Jesters every time they played each other last spring/summer and beat fl$ in the JDRF. The Wolverines went unbeaten in fall play (2 ties). It is understood that every team has made changes from last year and it might make more sense to wait and see what happens when these teams actually play each other in 2014 before putting together a pretty silly ranking.


Ok, so wolverines, Jesters, fl$, in that order. Feel better now? Wait fl$ got one player from terps and two from xtreme, so now they're better. Wait, fl$ lost player to terps so now they're not good anymore. Wait jesters brought back every starter and added players from fl$ and 91 and Express, so they're better. Good lord, who cares!! My guess these three teams play each other to one goal games every time they play this year...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/06/14 03:34 PM
How are Jesters 16th when they finished 18th at the [lacrosse]'s tournament which was full of non Hot Bed teams?

Where would you put [lacrosse]'s 2nd - 8th place teams as well as 9th-16th?

Was there any mutual opponents?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok, I am submitting a variation on the top Long Island club/town thread above. This one is my attempt at January power rankings for the 2018 teams (and TLI). This is based on Summer and Fall play, and is only based on the club teams I saw over that time, so no West Coast Stars or Madlax, for example - feel free to add them or others that you saw/played, but your list has to be 20 teams. This is entirely subjective, and meant to spark a friendly discussion on the top 20 teams. Below are my top 20 - feel free to post yours.

1. 91 Xtreme
2. Crabs
3. Victor
4. Team Long Island
5. Dukes
6. Superstar 365
7. Express Terps
8. Prime Time - Westchester
9. Bucks Select Red
10. Laxachusetts Black
11. Tri State
12. 91 Orange
13. Annapolis Hawks
14. NJ Patriots
15. 3D New England
16. Jesters
17. Texas Mustangs
18. NH Tomahawks
19. Baltimore Breakers
20. fl$


Nope adjustment needed. That is a very good list. That should be the A & AA for an invitational tourney.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/06/14 05:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How are Jesters 16th when they finished 18th at the [lacrosse]'s tournament which was full of non Hot Bed teams?

Where would you put [lacrosse]'s 2nd - 8th place teams as well as 9th-16th?

Was there any mutual opponents?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok, I am submitting a variation on the top Long Island club/town thread above. This one is my attempt at January power rankings for the 2018 teams (and TLI). This is based on Summer and Fall play, and is only based on the club teams I saw over that time, so no West Coast Stars or Madlax, for example - feel free to add them or others that you saw/played, but your list has to be 20 teams. This is entirely subjective, and meant to spark a friendly discussion on the top 20 teams. Below are my top 20 - feel free to post yours.

1. 91 Xtreme
2. Crabs
3. Victor
4. Team Long Island
5. Dukes
6. Superstar 365
7. Express Terps
8. Prime Time - Westchester
9. Bucks Select Red
10. Laxachusetts Black
11. Tri State
12. 91 Orange
13. Annapolis Hawks
14. NJ Patriots
15. 3D New England
16. Jesters
17. Texas Mustangs
18. NH Tomahawks
19. Baltimore Breakers
20. fl$


Nope adjustment needed. That is a very good list. That should be the A & AA for an invitational tourney.


An awful lot of energy going into something that is based on nothing. I agree that 91 Xtreme is in top 3 but that is the only true item on the list. Let's wait until the season has commenced before we start bashing the teams. After all, we all know it is going to come down to Terps and Xtreme, it always does.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/06/14 07:26 PM
Here we go with the jester bashing. The teams at Dicks were not 2018 like the Jesters. They were age based teams, many loaded with kids that on LI would be 9th graders. Not 2018. Who cares???


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How are Jesters 16th when they finished 18th at the [lacrosse]'s tournament which was full of non Hot Bed teams?

Where would you put [lacrosse]'s 2nd - 8th place teams as well as 9th-16th?

Was there any mutual opponents?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok, I am submitting a variation on the top Long Island club/town thread above. This one is my attempt at January power rankings for the 2018 teams (and TLI). This is based on Summer and Fall play, and is only based on the club teams I saw over that time, so no West Coast Stars or Madlax, for example - feel free to add them or others that you saw/played, but your list has to be 20 teams. This is entirely subjective, and meant to spark a friendly discussion on the top 20 teams. Below are my top 20 - feel free to post yours.

1. 91 Xtreme
2. Crabs
3. Victor
4. Team Long Island
5. Dukes
6. Superstar 365
7. Express Terps
8. Prime Time - Westchester
9. Bucks Select Red
10. Laxachusetts Black
11. Tri State
12. 91 Orange
13. Annapolis Hawks
14. NJ Patriots
15. 3D New England
16. Jesters
17. Texas Mustangs
18. NH Tomahawks
19. Baltimore Breakers
20. fl$


Nope adjustment needed. That is a very good list. That should be the A & AA for an invitational tourney.


An awful lot of energy going into something that is based on nothing. I agree that 91 Xtreme is in top 3 but that is the only true item on the list. Let's wait until the season has commenced before we start bashing the teams. After all, we all know it is going to come down to Terps and Xtreme, it always does.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/06/14 09:55 PM
It is not Jester bashing. LI is the gold standard against which everyone should measure themselves. Jesters are part of that standard. Teams outside LI and Maryland are always looking to compare themselves with LI and Maryland squads.

A close game against any of the teams on your list implies a team can compete with the other teams similarly ranked on the list.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/06/14 10:12 PM
Let's please stop all the bs. Try to behave like adults lest this forum will turn into the 2017 forum...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/06/14 10:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is not Jester bashing. LI is the gold standard against which everyone should measure themselves. Jesters are part of that standard. Teams outside LI and Maryland are always looking to compare themselves with LI and Maryland squads.

A close game against any of the teams on your list implies a team can compete with the other teams similarly ranked on the list.


They may.......but an all star team from multiple or whole states should be able to compete with one of the many travel teams from LI.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/06/14 10:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is not Jester bashing. LI is the gold standard against which everyone should measure themselves. Jesters are part of that standard. Teams outside LI and Maryland are always looking to compare themselves with LI and Maryland squads.

A close game against any of the teams on your list implies a team can compete with the other teams similarly ranked on the list.


Your delusional... 15 years ago your statement might have made sense. Lacrosse is national sport now with strong teams from all over the country. I suggest you have your director book a game with your son's team against the Madlax national team. See how they fair.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/07/14 01:38 AM
We are making the same point Einstein
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/08/14 04:26 PM
How did va/md/pa 2018 teams do this Fall? We saw Dukes up at the Express tourney on LI, but none of the other teams. Curious if Crabs, Madlax Md or Va, Bucks Select, Breakers, Hawks etc. were playing each other.
Posted By: VaLaxDad Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/08/14 09:23 PM
VA and MD teams played in NPYLL Autumn Classic. Crabs won close final against Hawks. Full results on website
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/09/14 12:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here we go with the jester bashing. The teams at Dicks were not 2018 like the Jesters. They were age based teams, many loaded with kids that on LI would be 9th graders. Not 2018. Who cares???


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How are Jesters 16th when they finished 18th at the [lacrosse]'s tournament which was full of non Hot Bed teams?

Where would you put [lacrosse]'s 2nd - 8th place teams as well as 9th-16th?

Was there any mutual opponents?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok, I am submitting a variation on the top Long Island club/town thread above. This one is my attempt at January power rankings for the 2018 teams (and TLI). This is based on Summer and Fall play, and is only based on the club teams I saw over that time, so no West Coast Stars or Madlax, for example - feel free to add them or others that you saw/played, but your list has to be 20 teams. This is entirely subjective, and meant to spark a friendly discussion on the top 20 teams. Below are my top 20 - feel free to post yours.

1. 91 Xtreme
2. Crabs
3. Victor
4. Team Long Island
5. Dukes
6. Superstar 365
7. Express Terps
8. Prime Time - Westchester
9. Bucks Select Red
10. Laxachusetts Black
11. Tri State
12. 91 Orange
13. Annapolis Hawks
14. NJ Patriots
15. 3D New England
16. Jesters
17. Texas Mustangs
18. NH Tomahawks
19. Baltimore Breakers
20. fl$


Nope adjustment needed. That is a very good list. That should be the A & AA for an invitational tourney.


An awful lot of energy going into something that is based on nothing. I agree that 91 Xtreme is in top 3 but that is the only true item on the list. Let's wait until the season has commenced before we start bashing the teams. After all, we all know it is going to come down to Terps and Xtreme, it always does.


FCA Blue 2018 should be included in top 5...very talented team, watch out for them this Summer
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/09/14 12:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here we go with the jester bashing. The teams at Dicks were not 2018 like the Jesters. They were age based teams, many loaded with kids that on LI would be 9th graders. Not 2018. Who cares???


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How are Jesters 16th when they finished 18th at the [lacrosse]'s tournament which was full of non Hot Bed teams?

Where would you put [lacrosse]'s 2nd - 8th place teams as well as 9th-16th?

Was there any mutual opponents?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok, I am submitting a variation on the top Long Island club/town thread above. This one is my attempt at January power rankings for the 2018 teams (and TLI). This is based on Summer and Fall play, and is only based on the club teams I saw over that time, so no West Coast Stars or Madlax, for example - feel free to add them or others that you saw/played, but your list has to be 20 teams. This is entirely subjective, and meant to spark a friendly discussion on the top 20 teams. Below are my top 20 - feel free to post yours.

1. 91 Xtreme
2. Crabs
3. Victor
4. Team Long Island
5. Dukes
6. Superstar 365
7. Express Terps
8. Prime Time - Westchester
9. Bucks Select Red
10. Laxachusetts Black
11. Tri State
12. 91 Orange
13. Annapolis Hawks
14. NJ Patriots
15. 3D New England
16. Jesters
17. Texas Mustangs
18. NH Tomahawks
19. Baltimore Breakers
20. fl$


Nope adjustment needed. That is a very good list. That should be the A & AA for an invitational tourney.


An awful lot of energy going into something that is based on nothing. I agree that 91 Xtreme is in top 3 but that is the only true item on the list. Let's wait until the season has commenced before we start bashing the teams. After all, we all know it is going to come down to Terps and Xtreme, it always does.


FCA Blue 2018 should be included in top 5...very talented team, watch out for them this Summer


Who have they played?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/09/14 01:18 PM
Superstar 365 in the top 10 ?

Isn't that a new organization with what, one summer under their belt?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/09/14 01:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Superstar 365 in the top 10 ?

Isn't that a new organization with what, one summer under their belt?


No, that team has been around for years - the coach added '365' to indicate it's a year round team. They beat a lot of good teams in 2013 including Express and Dukes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/09/14 03:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did va/md/pa 2018 teams do this Fall? We saw Dukes up at the Express tourney on LI, but none of the other teams. Curious if Crabs, Madlax Md or Va, Bucks Select, Breakers, Hawks etc. were playing each other.


To be honest you didn't really see the Dukes 2018 team this fall. The team you saw was 75% Dukes and 25% Big 4 players. The play day was during football playoffs and football is king in Pa.. My sons 2019 team had the same situation. We lost to the Wolverines 3-1 on Long Island but we smoked them 10-1 at winter nationals with a full squad.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/09/14 05:16 PM
yeah, 2018 terps beat Dukes 2wice in winter nationals but lost to them on LI...all good teams and i/m/o any of the below teams can beat the others on any given day--

that means terps, extreme, dukes, crabs, team li and 365. I heard the madlax team is also very strong but have not seen them play so can't comment.

the above are the only teams that have had comepetitive games against the terps in the last three years we have been on the team. Perhaps this year will be differnt with various kids being reclassed and the onset pf puberty...

good luck to all
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/09/14 06:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yeah, 2018 terps beat Dukes 2wice in winter nationals but lost to them on LI...all good teams and i/m/o any of the below teams can beat the others on any given day--

that means terps, extreme, dukes, crabs, team li and 365. I heard the madlax team is also very strong but have not seen them play so can't comment.

the above are the only teams that have had comepetitive games against the terps in the last three years we have been on the team. Perhaps this year will be differnt with various kids being reclassed and the onset pf puberty...

good luck to all


Dukes lost to the Terps once at last years winter nationals, not twice. If you read my post earlier in this thread last years 2018 team had 7 2019 players on it. This 7 are now playing age appropriately and have been replaced with really good 2018 players and another 5 or 6 returning players didn't make the team again this year. I'm sure their play this summer will do their talking for them people are talking about how we did last summer or this fall when we were missing players due to football. At winter nationals they destroyed everyone. The closest game was 11-2. It's too bad the Terps didn't play in it this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/09/14 06:59 PM
The terps must have been missing a lot of players because they lost big at the Mitchell field tournament. That team did not look like the terps of old.
Posted By: Dickie Dunn Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/09/14 10:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yeah, 2018 terps beat Dukes 2wice in winter nationals but lost to them on LI...all good teams and i/m/o any of the below teams can beat the others on any given day--

that means terps, extreme, dukes, crabs, team li and 365. I heard the madlax team is also very strong but have not seen them play so can't comment.

the above are the only teams that have had comepetitive games against the terps in the last three years we have been on the team. Perhaps this year will be differnt with various kids being reclassed and the onset pf puberty...

good luck to all


Dukes lost to the Terps once at last years winter nationals, not twice. If you read my post earlier in this thread last years 2018 team had 7 2019 players on it. This 7 are now playing age appropriately and have been replaced with really good 2018 players and another 5 or 6 returning players didn't make the team again this year. I'm sure their play this summer will do their talking for them people are talking about how we did last summer or this fall when we were missing players due to football. At winter nationals they destroyed everyone. The closest game was 11-2. It's too bad the Terps didn't play in it this year.


Dukes are an outstanding organization and like everybody else, when they lose it is because they were missing players or they were younger. one question I do have for you is what are the ages of the fab 7 2019's? could any perhaps have been born in 1999 or early 2000 ? just asking.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/10/14 03:24 AM
Originally Posted by Betty Davis Eyes
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yeah, 2018 terps beat Dukes 2wice in winter nationals but lost to them on LI...all good teams and i/m/o any of the below teams can beat the others on any given day--

that means terps, extreme, dukes, crabs, team li and 365. I heard the madlax team is also very strong but have not seen them play so can't comment.

the above are the only teams that have had comepetitive games against the terps in the last three years we have been on the team. Perhaps this year will be differnt with various kids being reclassed and the onset pf puberty...

good luck to all


Dukes lost to the Terps once at last years winter nationals, not twice. If you read my post earlier in this thread last years 2018 team had 7 2019 players on it. This 7 are now playing age appropriately and have been replaced with really good 2018 players and another 5 or 6 returning players didn't make the team again this year. I'm sure their play this summer will do their talking for them people are talking about how we did last summer or this fall when we were missing players due to football. At winter nationals they destroyed everyone. The closest game was 11-2. It's too bad the Terps didn't play in it this year.


Dukes are an outstanding organization and like everybody else, when they lose it is because they were missing players or they were younger. one question I do have for you is what are the ages of the fab 7 2019's? could any perhaps have been born in 1999 or early 2000 ? just asking.


My son is April 5th 2001, one is august 15th 2000 and two others are between the two, the others I don't know their exact birth dates. Of the 7 only one is old enough to be in 8th grade. It cracks me up that some of you guys assume teams have to stack their rosters with over aged players to compete with the Long Island programs. FWIW I was born and raised on the Island. I love the way the game is played there but the Philly kids are really good. When I played the talent ended when you hit Queens and didn't pick up until you hit Baltimore. That's no longer the case.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/10/14 01:23 PM
Agree that Dukes are a good team and i think that is what was said abover, any of these teams can beat any of the others at any given time. No need to get upset at all because we are all looking forward to a great spring/summer season against the dukes and the rest of the upper level teams.

Out of this group of teams mentioned earlier (extreme, crabs, terps, madlax, team li, 365-if I left your son's team off the list, no disrespect meant, these are the teams that I have seen, no other reason), how many of your boys headed to the Jake reed try out in Florida?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/10/14 02:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yeah, 2018 terps beat Dukes 2wice in winter nationals but lost to them on LI...all good teams and i/m/o any of the below teams can beat the others on any given day--

that means terps, extreme, dukes, crabs, team li and 365. I heard the madlax team is also very strong but have not seen them play so can't comment.

the above are the only teams that have had comepetitive games against the terps in the last three years we have been on the team. Perhaps this year will be differnt with various kids being reclassed and the onset pf puberty...

good luck to all


Dukes lost to the Terps once at last years winter nationals, not twice. If you read my post earlier in this thread last years 2018 team had 7 2019 players on it. This 7 are now playing age appropriately and have been replaced with really good 2018 players and another 5 or 6 returning players didn't make the team again this year. I'm sure their play this summer will do their talking for them people are talking about how we did last summer or this fall when we were missing players due to football. At winter nationals they destroyed everyone. The closest game was 11-2. It's too bad the Terps didn't play in it this year.


How many reclassified 2017's this year on 2018,10? Isn't it interesting that all of a sudden teams like Dukes and Crabs in Md. become un-beatable teams as rising 9th graders on. The year before they're just another decent team. The kids on the team all begin to look like men too. I guess it's those secret training programs and vitamins. Also interesting that Dukes went to U-15 Championship this year and weren't a top team. (of course crabs never goes and won't) How could that be? They kill it in all the grade based tourns and don't do well in tourns where you need a birth certificate. Why is that?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/10/14 03:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yeah, 2018 terps beat Dukes 2wice in winter nationals but lost to them on LI...all good teams and i/m/o any of the below teams can beat the others on any given day--

that means terps, extreme, dukes, crabs, team li and 365. I heard the madlax team is also very strong but have not seen them play so can't comment.

the above are the only teams that have had comepetitive games against the terps in the last three years we have been on the team. Perhaps this year will be differnt with various kids being reclassed and the onset pf puberty...

good luck to all


Dukes lost to the Terps once at last years winter nationals, not twice. If you read my post earlier in this thread last years 2018 team had 7 2019 players on it. This 7 are now playing age appropriately and have been replaced with really good 2018 players and another 5 or 6 returning players didn't make the team again this year. I'm sure their play this summer will do their talking for them people are talking about how we did last summer or this fall when we were missing players due to football. At winter nationals they destroyed everyone. The closest game was 11-2. It's too bad the Terps didn't play in it this year.


How many reclassified 2017's this year on 2018,10? Isn't it interesting that all of a sudden teams like Dukes and Crabs in Md. become un-beatable teams as rising 9th graders on. The year before they're just another decent team. The kids on the team all begin to look like men too. I guess it's those secret training programs and vitamins. Also interesting that Dukes went to U-15 Championship this year and weren't a top team. (of course crabs never goes and won't) How could that be? They kill it in all the grade based tourns and don't do well in tourns where you need a birth certificate. Why is that?


Great point. On Long Island, the debate usually rages around whether someone is a month or three older than a public school cut off date - so September/October/November 1999's and why they aren't playing 2017. Dukes/Crabs is a different kettle of fish entirely. The Dukes team that travelled to Kellenberg this Fall was said to have three or four 1998 birth year kids on the team - all 8th graders. If that is even close to true, it shows how big the age/grade difference is between PA/MD and LI.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/10/14 06:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yeah, 2018 terps beat Dukes 2wice in winter nationals but lost to them on LI...all good teams and i/m/o any of the below teams can beat the others on any given day--

that means terps, extreme, dukes, crabs, team li and 365. I heard the madlax team is also very strong but have not seen them play so can't comment.

the above are the only teams that have had comepetitive games against the terps in the last three years we have been on the team. Perhaps this year will be differnt with various kids being reclassed and the onset pf puberty...

good luck to all


Dukes lost to the Terps once at last years winter nationals, not twice. If you read my post earlier in this thread last years 2018 team had 7 2019 players on it. This 7 are now playing age appropriately and have been replaced with really good 2018 players and another 5 or 6 returning players didn't make the team again this year. I'm sure their play this summer will do their talking for them people are talking about how we did last summer or this fall when we were missing players due to football. At winter nationals they destroyed everyone. The closest game was 11-2. It's too bad the Terps didn't play in it this year.


How many reclassified 2017's this year on 2018,10? Isn't it interesting that all of a sudden teams like Dukes and Crabs in Md. become un-beatable teams as rising 9th graders on. The year before they're just another decent team. The kids on the team all begin to look like men too. I guess it's those secret training programs and vitamins. Also interesting that Dukes went to U-15 Championship this year and weren't a top team. (of course crabs never goes and won't) How could that be? They kill it in all the grade based tourns and don't do well in tourns where you need a birth certificate. Why is that?


Great point. On Long Island, the debate usually rages around whether someone is a month or three older than a public school cut off date - so September/October/November 1999's and why they aren't playing 2017. Dukes/Crabs is a different kettle of fish entirely. The Dukes team that travelled to Kellenberg this Fall was said to have three or four 1998 birth year kids on the team - all 8th graders. If that is even close to true, it shows how big the age/grade difference is between PA/MD and LI.


The age thing is a rolling debate on the reclassification thread. It just takes US lacrosse to drop the grade play and go age every year u8, u9, u10, to u15. And then go grade in HS. The inconsistency is disconcerting. Those against that would while for a few days and move on. Problem solved. And the top teams would still be the top teams because it is about coaching.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/10/14 07:24 PM
I just think that it is funny that all the Maryland parents have been real quiet since this thread was started. I guess that there is nothing that they can say.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/10/14 08:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just think that it is funny that all the Maryland parents have been real quiet since this thread was started. I guess that there is nothing that they can say.


Why get caught up in your nonsense...Not every boy is held back in Maryland. I am from Long Island and when I read these posts I am embarrassed to admit that. Stop the whining, the boys will end up where they should. Let them play, support them, encourage them and focus on grades. It all works out in the end. Only the parents are disappointed
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/10/14 08:35 PM
So the Duke's dad that was happy to tell us about all the 2019 players is now not admitting how old his 2018s are?

Really, 3 players that should be in 10th grade?

How many of the Duke's are actually born in 2000?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/11/14 02:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just think that it is funny that all the Maryland parents have been real quiet since this thread was started. I guess that there is nothing that they can say.


Why get caught up in your nonsense...Not every boy is held back in Maryland. I am from Long Island and when I read these posts I am embarrassed to admit that. Stop the whining, the boys will end up where they should. Let them play, support them, encourage them and focus on grades. It all works out in the end. Only the parents are disappointed


Sounds like you might have held your own kid back, and it didn't work out like you hoped. The condescending tone in your post wreaks of guilt... Why would you be embarrassed by folks who want to follow the rules, create a level playing field and weed out people who are gaming the system? All us "whiners" play by the rules, honor the game and have taught our children about ethics, integrity, and self respect. Sadly, when you stand up for these values, people like you in our society can't offer a retort, so your only response is to castigate them as a whiner. Folks, those who have daughters, beware of this type of upbringing. A man with no moral values...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/11/14 02:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So the Duke's dad that was happy to tell us about all the 2019 players is now not admitting how old his 2018s are?

Really, 3 players that should be in 10th grade?

How many of the Duke's are actually born in 2000?


AFAIK they have two. Sorry I didn't answer you sooner, I have a life that prevents me from answering you when you expect it. Some of you LI parents give the sport a bad name.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/11/14 03:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yeah, 2018 terps beat Dukes 2wice in winter nationals but lost to them on LI...all good teams and i/m/o any of the below teams can beat the others on any given day--

that means terps, extreme, dukes, crabs, team li and 365. I heard the madlax team is also very strong but have not seen them play so can't comment.

the above are the only teams that have had comepetitive games against the terps in the last three years we have been on the team. Perhaps this year will be differnt with various kids being reclassed and the onset pf puberty...

good luck to all


Dukes lost to the Terps once at last years winter nationals, not twice. If you read my post earlier in this thread last years 2018 team had 7 2019 players on it. This 7 are now playing age appropriately and have been replaced with really good 2018 players and another 5 or 6 returning players didn't make the team again this year. I'm sure their play this summer will do their talking for them people are talking about how we did last summer or this fall when we were missing players due to football. At winter nationals they destroyed everyone. The closest game was 11-2. It's too bad the Terps didn't play in it this year.


How many reclassified 2017's this year on 2018,10? Isn't it interesting that all of a sudden teams like Dukes and Crabs in Md. become un-beatable teams as rising 9th graders on. The year before they're just another decent team. The kids on the team all begin to look like men too. I guess it's those secret training programs and vitamins. Also interesting that Dukes went to U-15 Championship this year and weren't a top team. (of course crabs never goes and won't) How could that be? They kill it in all the grade based tourns and don't do well in tourns where you need a birth certificate. Why is that?


I won't talk about the Maryland clubs because I don't know, nor do I care about how they run their programs.

It isn't really surprising that the Philly kids blossom late. Unlike the town programs on Long Island the ones in the Philly area are staffed mostly by parents that have little to no playing experience. My sons club is one of the better ones in the area and 70% of the coaches in the program have no playing experience. Because we have the blind leading the blind in many cases our kids generally lag two to three years behind the LI kids in terms of stick skills and lacrosse IQ. By the time they get to middle school that difference shrinks considerably.

The real difference is that in general we have better athletes. The city of Philly is a wasteland for lacrosse. All the good players come from the counties just outside the city. If you look at population densities it is similar to LI but if you look at the number of kids from those burbs playing in the NFL, MLB AND THE NBA those numbers dwarf the number of LI kids in those leagues. I'm sure that will ruffle so e feathers here but it is what it is. If you disagree with that statement feel free to Mike Chanenchuk as he has no problems admitting it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/11/14 03:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yeah, 2018 terps beat Dukes 2wice in winter nationals but lost to them on LI...all good teams and i/m/o any of the below teams can beat the others on any given day--

that means terps, extreme, dukes, crabs, team li and 365. I heard the madlax team is also very strong but have not seen them play so can't comment.

the above are the only teams that have had comepetitive games against the terps in the last three years we have been on the team. Perhaps this year will be differnt with various kids being reclassed and the onset pf puberty...

good luck to all


Dukes lost to the Terps once at last years winter nationals, not twice. If you read my post earlier in this thread last years 2018 team had 7 2019 players on it. This 7 are now playing age appropriately and have been replaced with really good 2018 players and another 5 or 6 returning players didn't make the team again this year. I'm sure their play this summer will do their talking for them people are talking about how we did last summer or this fall when we were missing players due to football. At winter nationals they destroyed everyone. The closest game was 11-2. It's too bad the Terps didn't play in it this year.


How many reclassified 2017's this year on 2018,10? Isn't it interesting that all of a sudden teams like Dukes and Crabs in Md. become un-beatable teams as rising 9th graders on. The year before they're just another decent team. The kids on the team all begin to look like men too. I guess it's those secret training programs and vitamins. Also interesting that Dukes went to U-15 Championship this year and weren't a top team. (of course crabs never goes and won't) How could that be? They kill it in all the grade based tourns and don't do well in tourns where you need a birth certificate. Why is that?


You're completely wrong about the U15 championship. The lost to the tournament champions 3d in the semi's 10-7 with a team that had 100% of their roster composed of entirely of 2017 players. On the other hand every single Long Island player who made the all tournament team was a rising sophomore (David Confort, Matt Glavin, Ryan Rogers and Steve Cuccurullo). I'm sure those four were the only 2016 Long Island players at the tournament. If you're gonna spout crap you had better know your facts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/11/14 09:01 PM
You LI parents should consider yourselves lucky that you only have to compete with the reclassed kids in tournaments. Imaging having to compete with them on a daily basis. Not just for recrutimg spots but for regular roster spots year in and year out. Kuddos to those few MD kids who play on the proper age/ grade and excell. They will be the winners in the long run!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/11/14 10:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So the Duke's dad that was happy to tell us about all the 2019 players is now not admitting how old his 2018s are?

Really, 3 players that should be in 10th grade?

How many of the Duke's are actually born in 2000?


AFAIK they have two. Sorry I didn't answer you sooner, I have a life that prevents me from answering you when you expect it. Some of you LI parents give the sport a bad name.


yes, all the cheaters go back to the same thing--call LI parents whinners and say that li gives game a bad name...cheating is what gives the game a bad name and apparently philly following md...

or if you believe the other philly guy, they just have better athletes...

if that was the case, there would be no reason to cheat...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/11/14 10:43 PM
We do .... on LI the hold-backs are in every grade, in every sport, all through MS and HS. It's not just the grade based lax tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/11/14 11:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So the Duke's dad that was happy to tell us about all the 2019 players is now not admitting how old his 2018s are?

Really, 3 players that should be in 10th grade?

How many of the Duke's are actually born in 2000?


AFAIK they have two. Sorry I didn't answer you sooner, I have a life that prevents me from answering you when you expect it. Some of you LI parents give the sport a bad name.


yes, all the cheaters go back to the same thing--call LI parents whinners and say that li gives game a bad name...cheating is what gives the game a bad name and apparently philly following md...

or if you believe the other philly guy, they just have better athletes...

if that was the case, there would be no reason to cheat...


There is only one Philly guy in this thread and it's me. Call me crazy but all I've read in this thread is a bunch unsubstantiated b.s. About Dukes is how they have to cheat to compete with the mighty and morally superior Long Island kids. If that's what you need to feel better about yourself have at it. The Dukes team that played in the U15 national championship were all rising freshmen. All the Long Island kids that I cared to look up we're rising Sophomores. It seems like someone needs to use overaged players to compete and it isn't the Dukes. I'm not pulling this stuff out of thin air. Feel free to look up the rosters from the tournament and google the players names. The Long Island clubs aren't as squeaky clean as you want to pretend they are.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/11/14 11:37 PM
You should learn your facts before you as you put it "spout your crap"! I know for a fact the boy from the Turtles is a TRUE 2017 yes a TRUE 2017, that would be a 1999 birthday in case you are not sure.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/11/14 11:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yeah, 2018 terps beat Dukes 2wice in winter nationals but lost to them on LI...all good teams and i/m/o any of the below teams can beat the others on any given day--

that means terps, extreme, dukes, crabs, team li and 365. I heard the madlax team is also very strong but have not seen them play so can't comment.

the above are the only teams that have had comepetitive games against the terps in the last three years we have been on the team. Perhaps this year will be differnt with various kids being reclassed and the onset pf puberty...

good luck to all


Dukes lost to the Terps once at last years winter nationals, not twice. If you read my post earlier in this thread last years 2018 team had 7 2019 players on it. This 7 are now playing age appropriately and have been replaced with really good 2018 players and another 5 or 6 returning players didn't make the team again this year. I'm sure their play this summer will do their talking for them people are talking about how we did last summer or this fall when we were missing players due to football. At winter nationals they destroyed everyone. The closest game was 11-2. It's too bad the Terps didn't play in it this year.


How many reclassified 2017's this year on 2018,10? Isn't it interesting that all of a sudden teams like Dukes and Crabs in Md. become un-beatable teams as rising 9th graders on. The year before they're just another decent team. The kids on the team all begin to look like men too. I guess it's those secret training programs and vitamins. Also interesting that Dukes went to U-15 Championship this year and weren't a top team. (of course crabs never goes and won't) How could that be? They kill it in all the grade based tourns and don't do well in tourns where you need a birth certificate. Why is that?


You're completely wrong about the U15 championship. The lost to the tournament champions 3d in the semi's 10-7 with a team that had 100% of their roster composed of entirely of 2017 players. On the other hand every single Long Island player who made the all tournament team was a rising sophomore (David Confort, Matt Glavin, Ryan Rogers and Steve Cuccurullo). I'm sure those four were the only 2016 Long Island players at the tournament. If you're gonna spout crap you had better know your facts.


You are Wrong! Check your facts before you "spout your crap" the Turtles kid is a True 2017 with a 1999 birthday!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/12/14 12:09 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yeah, 2018 terps beat Dukes 2wice in winter nationals but lost to them on LI...all good teams and i/m/o any of the below teams can beat the others on any given day--

that means terps, extreme, dukes, crabs, team li and 365. I heard the madlax team is also very strong but have not seen them play so can't comment.

the above are the only teams that have had comepetitive games against the terps in the last three years we have been on the team. Perhaps this year will be differnt with various kids being reclassed and the onset pf puberty...

good luck to all


Dukes lost to the Terps once at last years winter nationals, not twice. If you read my post earlier in this thread last years 2018 team had 7 2019 players on it. This 7 are now playing age appropriately and have been replaced with really good 2018 players and another 5 or 6 returning players didn't make the team again this year. I'm sure their play this summer will do their talking for them people are talking about how we did last summer or this fall when we were missing players due to football. At winter nationals they destroyed everyone. The closest game was 11-2. It's too bad the Terps didn't play in it this year.


How many reclassified 2017's this year on 2018,10? Isn't it interesting that all of a sudden teams like Dukes and Crabs in Md. become un-beatable teams as rising 9th graders on. The year before they're just another decent team. The kids on the team all begin to look like men too. I guess it's those secret training programs and vitamins. Also interesting that Dukes went to U-15 Championship this year and weren't a top team. (of course crabs never goes and won't) How could that be? They kill it in all the grade based tourns and don't do well in tourns where you need a birth certificate. Why is that?


You're completely wrong about the U15 championship. The lost to the tournament champions 3d in the semi's 10-7 with a team that had 100% of their roster composed of entirely of 2017 players. On the other hand every single Long Island player who made the all tournament team was a rising sophomore (David Confort, Matt Glavin, Ryan Rogers and Steve Cuccurullo). I'm sure those four were the only 2016 Long Island players at the tournament. If you're gonna spout crap you had better know your facts.


You are Wrong! Check your facts before you "spout your crap" the Turtles kid is a True 2017 with a 1999 birthday!


Who cares?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/12/14 12:11 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So the Duke's dad that was happy to tell us about all the 2019 players is now not admitting how old his 2018s are?

Really, 3 players that should be in 10th grade?

How many of the Duke's are actually born in 2000?


AFAIK they have two. Sorry I didn't answer you sooner, I have a life that prevents me from answering you when you expect it. Some of you LI parents give the sport a bad name.


yes, all the cheaters go back to the same thing--call LI parents whinners and say that li gives game a bad name...cheating is what gives the game a bad name and apparently philly following md...

or if you believe the other philly guy, they just have better athletes...

if that was the case, there would be no reason to cheat...


There is only one Philly guy in this thread and it's me. Call me crazy but all I've read in this thread is a bunch unsubstantiated b.s. About Dukes is how they have to cheat to compete with the mighty and morally superior Long Island kids. If that's what you need to feel better about yourself have at it. The Dukes team that played in the U15 national championship were all rising freshmen. All the Long Island kids that I cared to look up we're rising Sophomores. It seems like someone needs to use overaged players to compete and it isn't the Dukes. I'm not pulling this stuff out of thin air. Feel free to look up the rosters from the tournament and google the players names. The Long Island clubs aren't as squeaky clean as you want to pretend they are.


Hey philly guy, the question is how old were those rising freshman? I am sure they were the same age as the rising sophs, given the fact that your team, as you admitted above, has lots of reclassed kids...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/12/14 01:55 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is not Jester bashing. LI is the gold standard against which everyone should measure themselves. Jesters are part of that standard. Teams outside LI and Maryland are always looking to compare themselves with LI and Maryland squads.

A close game against any of the teams on your list implies a team can compete with the other teams similarly ranked on the list.


Saw the Jesters 2018 Black team play this evening and they are solid. They held their own perfectly vs 9th & 10th grade kids from Farmingdale and Port Washington. Wouldn't say they are AA but they are good A team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/12/14 03:13 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Dukes team that played in the U15 national championship were all rising freshmen. All the Long Island kids that I cared to look up we're rising Sophomores. It seems like someone needs to use overaged players to compete and it isn't the Dukes. I'm not pulling this stuff out of thin air. Feel free to look up the rosters from the tournament and google the players names. The Long Island clubs aren't as squeaky clean as you want to pretend they are.


Dude - I hope you are not a lawyer because you just made the opposition case, in a U15 age based tournament the philly team were all 9th grade while LI was all 10th grade - that does not mean that the long island kids were older, everybody was the same age - U15 - it meant that the philly kids were the same age but a year behind in school.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/12/14 03:57 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yeah, 2018 terps beat Dukes 2wice in winter nationals but lost to them on LI...all good teams and i/m/o any of the below teams can beat the others on any given day--

that means terps, extreme, dukes, crabs, team li and 365. I heard the madlax team is also very strong but have not seen them play so can't comment.

the above are the only teams that have had comepetitive games against the terps in the last three years we have been on the team. Perhaps this year will be differnt with various kids being reclassed and the onset pf puberty...

good luck to all


Dukes lost to the Terps once at last years winter nationals, not twice. If you read my post earlier in this thread last years 2018 team had 7 2019 players on it. This 7 are now playing age appropriately and have been replaced with really good 2018 players and another 5 or 6 returning players didn't make the team again this year. I'm sure their play this summer will do their talking for them people are talking about how we did last summer or this fall when we were missing players due to football. At winter nationals they destroyed everyone. The closest game was 11-2. It's too bad the Terps didn't play in it this year.


How many reclassified 2017's this year on 2018,10? Isn't it interesting that all of a sudden teams like Dukes and Crabs in Md. become un-beatable teams as rising 9th graders on. The year before they're just another decent team. The kids on the team all begin to look like men too. I guess it's those secret training programs and vitamins. Also interesting that Dukes went to U-15 Championship this year and weren't a top team. (of course crabs never goes and won't) How could that be? They kill it in all the grade based tourns and don't do well in tourns where you need a birth certificate. Why is that?


You're completely wrong about the U15 championship. The lost to the tournament champions 3d in the semi's 10-7 with a team that had 100% of their roster composed of entirely of 2017 players. On the other hand every single Long Island player who made the all tournament team was a rising sophomore (David Confort, Matt Glavin, Ryan Rogers and Steve Cuccurullo). I'm sure those four were the only 2016 Long Island players at the tournament. If you're gonna spout crap you had better know your facts.


You are Wrong! Check your facts before you "spout your crap" the Turtles kid is a True 2017 with a 1999 birthday!


You got me on that one superstar. What about the other three? I just bothered to look at the four LI kids that made the all tournament team. I'd bet if I found the rosters that US lacrosse put up before the tournament and went through them i'd bet the mortgage that those three kids weren't the only overaged Long Island kids in the tournament. It's funny I've heard all sorts of untruthful [lacrosse] about how Dukes sent a team with overaged players and yet no here one can name a single Dukes player who isn't a 2017, kid and yet I managed to name three Long Island kids who are 2016's with 2 minutes of research.

Instead of getting all pissy because I screwed up by misidentifying the Cuccurullo kid why don't you have the stones to acknowledge that most of the posters here are full of crap on the subject. Am I wrong about the graduating years of Gavin, Rogers and Confort or would you just prefer to ignore they truth and live in your fantasy world where you guys are the best thing that ever happened to lacrosse and everyone else has to cheat to be competitive?

I hope you guys don't represent the typical LIE, Team 91 or Turtles parent because that would be embarrassing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/12/14 04:23 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So the Duke's dad that was happy to tell us about all the 2019 players is now not admitting how old his 2018s are?

Really, 3 players that should be in 10th grade?

How many of the Duke's are actually born in 2000?


AFAIK they have two. Sorry I didn't answer you sooner, I have a life that prevents me from answering you when you expect it. Some of you LI parents give the sport a bad name.


yes, all the cheaters go back to the same thing--call LI parents whinners and say that li gives game a bad name...cheating is what gives the game a bad name and apparently philly following md...

or if you believe the other philly guy, they just have better athletes...

if that was the case, there would be no reason to cheat...


There is only one Philly guy in this thread and it's me. Call me crazy but all I've read in this thread is a bunch unsubstantiated b.s. About Dukes is how they have to cheat to compete with the mighty and morally superior Long Island kids. If that's what you need to feel better about yourself have at it. The Dukes team that played in the U15 national championship were all rising freshmen. All the Long Island kids that I cared to look up we're rising Sophomores. It seems like someone needs to use overaged players to compete and it isn't the Dukes. I'm not pulling this stuff out of thin air. Feel free to look up the rosters from the tournament and google the players names. The Long Island clubs aren't as squeaky clean as you want to pretend they are.


Hey philly guy, the question is how old were those rising freshman? I am sure they were the same age as the rising sophs, given the fact that your team, as you admitted above, has lots of declassed kids...


Good god please point out where I admitted that Dukes had lots of reclassified kids. We don't and I've said it several times in this thread, but I'll play your game.

I have read that Dukes (not true) and the Crabs (don't care) uses lots of overage players in this thread and the Long Island teams don't. Well that simply isn't true. You can deny it all you want but explain why the LIE had at least three 2016's playing in a national tournament for kids who should be in 2017?

You guys don't get to wag your finger and pretend to be morally superior when you aren't.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/12/14 08:42 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So the Duke's dad that was happy to tell us about all the 2019 players is now not admitting how old his 2018s are?

Really, 3 players that should be in 10th grade?

How many of the Duke's are actually born in 2000?


AFAIK they have two. Sorry I didn't answer you sooner, I have a life that prevents me from answering you when you expect it. Some of you LI parents give the sport a bad name.


yes, all the cheaters go back to the same thing--call LI parents whinners and say that li gives game a bad name...cheating is what gives the game a bad name and apparently philly following md...

or if you believe the other philly guy, they just have better athletes...

if that was the case, there would be no reason to cheat...


There is only one Philly guy in this thread and it's me. Call me crazy but all I've read in this thread is a bunch unsubstantiated b.s. About Dukes is how they have to cheat to compete with the mighty and morally superior Long Island kids. If that's what you need to feel better about yourself have at it. The Dukes team that played in the U15 national championship were all rising freshmen. All the Long Island kids that I cared to look up we're rising Sophomores. It seems like someone needs to use overaged players to compete and it isn't the Dukes. I'm not pulling this stuff out of thin air. Feel free to look up the rosters from the tournament and google the players names. The Long Island clubs aren't as squeaky clean as you want to pretend they are.


Hey philly guy, the question is how old were those rising freshman? I am sure they were the same age as the rising sophs, given the fact that your team, as you admitted above, has lots of declassed kids...


Good god please point out where I admitted that Dukes had lots of reclassified kids. We don't and I've said it several times in this thread, but I'll play your game.

I have read that Dukes (not true) and the Crabs (don't care) uses lots of overage players in this thread and the Long Island teams don't. Well that simply isn't true. You can deny it all you want but explain why the LIE had at least three 2016's playing in a national tournament for kids who should be in 2017?

You guys don't get to wag your finger and pretend to be morally superior when you aren't.

Are you that stupid? Read what you are typing! You are proving the point everyone is trying to make. Are they 2016's? YES you moron, are they older than your 2017's and possibly some of your 2018's? NO!!!! why? because they were not held back!!! Therefore they went to school a year or 2 earlier than many of the kids on your team. They are NOT older and not cheating! Every player had to give their birth certificate! you can't be serious????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/12/14 12:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is not Jester bashing. LI is the gold standard against which everyone should measure themselves. Jesters are part of that standard. Teams outside LI and Maryland are always looking to compare themselves with LI and Maryland squads.

A close game against any of the teams on your list implies a team can compete with the other teams similarly ranked on the list.


Saw the Jesters 2018 Black team play this evening and they are solid. They held their own perfectly vs 9th & 10th grade kids from Farmingdale and Port Washington. Wouldn't say they are AA but they are good A team.



BTW they were missing a couple of key high scoring starters last night... They have beaten JV travel teams. Agreed, they aren't AA and don't bill themselves as such. They will play anybody, anytime including any AA team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/12/14 11:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So the Duke's dad that was happy to tell us about all the 2019 players is now not admitting how old his 2018s are?

Really, 3 players that should be in 10th grade?

How many of the Duke's are actually born in 2000?


AFAIK they have two. Sorry I didn't answer you sooner, I have a life that prevents me from answering you when you expect it. Some of you LI parents give the sport a bad name.


yes, all the cheaters go back to the same thing--call LI parents whinners and say that li gives game a bad name...cheating is what gives the game a bad name and apparently philly following md...

or if you believe the other philly guy, they just have better athletes...

if that was the case, there would be no reason to cheat...


There is only one Philly guy in this thread and it's me. Call me crazy but all I've read in this thread is a bunch unsubstantiated b.s. About Dukes is how they have to cheat to compete with the mighty and morally superior Long Island kids. If that's what you need to feel better about yourself have at it. The Dukes team that played in the U15 national championship were all rising freshmen. All the Long Island kids that I cared to look up we're rising Sophomores. It seems like someone needs to use overaged players to compete and it isn't the Dukes. I'm not pulling this stuff out of thin air. Feel free to look up the rosters from the tournament and google the players names. The Long Island clubs aren't as squeaky clean as you want to pretend they are.


Hey philly guy, the question is how old were those rising freshman? I am sure they were the same age as the rising sophs, given the fact that your team, as you admitted above, has lots of declassed kids...


Good god please point out where I admitted that Dukes had lots of reclassified kids. We don't and I've said it several times in this thread, but I'll play your game.

I have read that Dukes (not true) and the Crabs (don't care) uses lots of overage players in this thread and the Long Island teams don't. Well that simply isn't true. You can deny it all you want but explain why the LIE had at least three 2016's playing in a national tournament for kids who should be in 2017?

You guys don't get to wag your finger and pretend to be morally superior when you aren't.


Philly dad, you are proving the point. LI kids playing age appropriate in this tourny, and graduating in the year they should while your kids playing a year down (or at least a bunch of them). why dont you get it?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/13/14 03:23 PM
Dukes/Philly dad, here's the point. The 2018 Dukes team has several boys who are a year or more older than the oldest players on Xtreme 2018, or Team Long Island for that matter. Those few boys are very important to the Dukes team, which I saw play several times this year; it is very obvious who the boys are. It's not about cheating, or reclassifying - it's a simple point about age, and your team is a lot older. That didn't seem to bother Xtreme very much this Fall when they beat you 10-5, and yes Xtreme has a lot of boys who play football and also had kids out due to injury. When you come on this thread and pound your chest about how good and young Dukes is, you're going to get Long Island push back, because the LI teams you play against are a lot younger, even if they're all in the same grade. We're happy to play you, and the games are great - just spare us the excuses when you lose and the blather about how young the team is.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/13/14 05:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just think that it is funny that all the Maryland parents have been real quiet since this thread was started. I guess that there is nothing that they can say.


Why get caught up in your nonsense...Not every boy is held back in Maryland. I am from Long Island and when I read these posts I am embarrassed to admit that. Stop the whining, the boys will end up where they should. Let them play, support them, encourage them and focus on grades. It all works out in the end. Only the parents are disappointed


Sounds like you might have held your own kid back, and it didn't work out like you hoped. The condescending tone in your post wreaks of guilt... Why would you be embarrassed by folks who want to follow the rules, create a level playing field and weed out people who are gaming the system? All us "whiners" play by the rules, honor the game and have taught our children about ethics, integrity, and self respect. Sadly, when you stand up for these values, people like you in our society can't offer a retort, so your only response is to castigate them as a whiner. Folks, those who have daughters, beware of this type of upbringing. A man with no moral values...


Ethics, Honor for the game???? The crazy amount of f-bombs dropped by LI parents, yelling at refs and even some parents running on the field...please dont preach ethics and honor! Just because little Johnny isn't winning is no reason to whine, complain and act like poor sportsman. My kid is in Md, age appropriate and can handle himself..no complaints
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/13/14 06:22 PM
Please stop complaining about a few bad li parents, we agree, they exist. However, I watched the same poor behavior being displayed by parents at every event by every team. Lots of loud obnoxious parents at young gunz last year. seems rude parents are all over (md, li, philly, texas, CA), every team has a few and you all know those on your son's team that fit the bill...

If you dont want to hear li parents complaining about your md teams cheating by holding back kids, stay on the md thread...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/13/14 09:14 PM
Please stop complaining about the hold-back issue...there are a few, Crabs probably the highest percentage. Most boys are age appropriate and on many of the clubs the oldest aren't always the best. The arguement gets old and it won't go away. Some parents think it offers a competitive advantage and if that is how they choose to spend their $ so be it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/13/14 09:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yeah, 2018 terps beat Dukes 2wice in winter nationals but lost to them on LI...all good teams and i/m/o any of the below teams can beat the others on any given day--

that means terps, extreme, dukes, crabs, team li and 365. I heard the madlax team is also very strong but have not seen them play so can't comment.

the above are the only teams that have had comepetitive games against the terps in the last three years we have been on the team. Perhaps this year will be differnt with various kids being reclassed and the onset pf puberty...

good luck to all


Dukes lost to the Terps once at last years winter nationals, not twice. If you read my post earlier in this thread last years 2018 team had 7 2019 players on it. This 7 are now playing age appropriately and have been replaced with really good 2018 players and another 5 or 6 returning players didn't make the team again this year. I'm sure their play this summer will do their talking for them people are talking about how we did last summer or this fall when we were missing players due to football. At winter nationals they destroyed everyone. The closest game was 11-2. It's too bad the Terps didn't play in it this year.


How many reclassified 2017's this year on 2018,10? Isn't it interesting that all of a sudden teams like Dukes and Crabs in Md. become un-beatable teams as rising 9th graders on. The year before they're just another decent team. The kids on the team all begin to look like men too. I guess it's those secret training programs and vitamins. Also interesting that Dukes went to U-15 Championship this year and weren't a top team. (of course crabs never goes and won't) How could that be? They kill it in all the grade based tourns and don't do well in tourns where you need a birth certificate. Why is that?


You're completely wrong about the U15 championship. The lost to the tournament champions 3d in the semi's 10-7 with a team that had 100% of their roster composed of entirely of 2017 players. On the other hand every single Long Island player who made the all tournament team was a rising sophomore (David Confort, Matt Glavin, Ryan Rogers and Steve Cuccurullo). I'm sure those four were the only 2016 Long Island players at the tournament. If you're gonna spout crap you had better know your facts.


You are Wrong! Check your facts before you "spout your crap" the Turtles kid is a True 2017 with a 1999 birthday!


You got me on that one superstar. What about the other three? I just bothered to look at the four LI kids that made the all tournament team. I'd bet if I found the rosters that US lacrosse put up before the tournament and went through them i'd bet the mortgage that those three kids weren't the only overaged Long Island kids in the tournament. It's funny I've heard all sorts of untruthful [lacrosse] about how Dukes sent a team with overaged players and yet no here one can name a single Dukes player who isn't a 2017, kid and yet I managed to name three Long Island kids who are 2016's with 2 minutes of research.

Instead of getting all pissy because I screwed up by misidentifying the Cuccurullo kid why don't you have the stones to acknowledge that most of the posters here are full of crap on the subject. Am I wrong about the graduating years of Gavin, Rogers and Confort or would you just prefer to ignore they truth and live in your fantasy world where you guys are the best thing that ever happened to lacrosse and everyone else has to cheat to be competitive?

I hope you guys don't represent the typical LIE, Team 91 or Turtles parent because that would be embarrassing.




I thought it was a violation of BOTC rules to use the name of any kid......What's up with this whole discussion and the reference to particular players by name???
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/13/14 10:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought it was a violation of BOTC rules to use the name of any kid......What's up with this whole discussion and the reference to particular players by name???
Fair question although we believe that the discussion is still "in bounds". The actual Board Rules on the subject state the following.

Named Individuals : Identifying youth players in a negative or attacking manner by name will not be permitted. Be mindful that such posts will be removed and/or editted by the BOTC Moderators. Identification of adults in posts should be accompanied with substantiated facts and details.

BOTC has not seen the discussion as being negative or attacking the individual players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/13/14 10:22 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought it was a violation of BOTC rules to use the name of any kid......What's up with this whole discussion and the reference to particular players by name???
Fair question although we believe that the discussion is still "in bounds". The actual Board Rules on the subject state the following.

Named Individuals : Identifying youth players in a negative or attacking manner by name will not be permitted.
Be mindful that such posts will be removed and/or editted by the BOTC Moderators. Identification of adults in posts should be accompanied with substantiated facts and details.


BOTC has not seen the discussion as being negative or attacking the individual players.

How about false claims about the boys? This time it is his age whats next? Are all false claims ok? No minors name should be allowed to be used at all, who is to say what the kids parents views as negative or not. Minors names should be omitted.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/13/14 10:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How about false claims about the boys? This time it is his age whats next? Are all false claims ok? No minors name should be allowed to be used at all, who is to say what the kids parents views as negative or not. Minors names should be omitted.
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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/17/14 08:30 PM
Catholic High School acceptance letters for class of 2018 were sent earlier this week and received by many/most today ...

Chaminade and St. Anthony's will be loaded as usual.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/17/14 09:07 PM
How many 2018's went down to 3D Blue Chip this weekend to compete in the South region.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/18/14 10:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many 2018's went down to 3D Blue Chip this weekend to compete in the South region.


Would LI players like to compete against AL,FL,GA,LA,TN,MS for a spot on Jake Reed. Of course they would. Think about the lack of competition. Sorry its just facts. If you cant compare them sisde by side with Mid Atlantic region which will be stacked then very tough to compare apples to apples.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/18/14 11:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Would LI players like to compete against AL,FL,GA,LA,TN,MS for a spot on Jake Reed. Of course they would. Think about the lack of competition. Sorry its just facts. If you cant compare them sisde by side with Mid Atlantic region which will be stacked then very tough to compare apples to apples.
Decades back, Detroit laughed at overseas competition in the auto industry.

Years back, technology and IT staffers laughed at the prospect of an emerging off-shore push.

The point is simple. The Long Island and Maryland strangle-hold on recruiting scholarships will eventually decay as other regions begin to move into the competition. Think about it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/18/14 11:41 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Would LI players like to compete against AL,FL,GA,LA,TN,MS for a spot on Jake Reed. Of course they would. Think about the lack of competition. Sorry its just facts. If you cant compare them sisde by side with Mid Atlantic region which will be stacked then very tough to compare apples to apples.
Decades back, Detroit laughed at overseas competition in the auto industry.

Years back, technology and IT staffers laughed at the prospect of an emerging off-shore push.

The point is simple. The Long Island and Maryland strangle-hold on recruiting scholarships will eventually decay as other regions begin to move into the competition. Think about it.


Cage I agree but what people or parents do is avoid the better competition. Come on, your a good attackman and you have that Big D man from extreme on you he makes you look OK. Now you go down and work a weak D man and you look great. As much as the evaluators try and make selections over all the regions when great players go against weak comp they look even better. I do agree as more athletes get involved and ex big lax guys living in other states really get lacrosse going the comp will get better but that in my opinion 5 to 10 years away. You have Cali and Texas and a few others putting out some good teams but those are just one or two strong teams. Could you imagine if LI actually put together a real select elite team. I mean the best players from Extreme, Express, Team LI etc. WOW.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/19/14 12:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many 2018's went down to 3D Blue Chip this weekend to compete in the South region.


Would LI players like to compete against AL,FL,GA,LA,TN,MS for a spot on Jake Reed. Of course they would. Think about the lack of competition. Sorry its just facts. If you cant compare them sisde by side with Mid Atlantic region which will be stacked then very tough to compare apples to apples.


Please go to the 3d website before you make a comment like this. You would find out that you missed a few states for this camps "South region". like MD, Va, NC. This in fact is the toughest week. So if you are from LI your playing every stud and holdback from these three states. Now go to the website and look who LI will be competing against next week?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/19/14 12:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Would LI players like to compete against AL,FL,GA,LA,TN,MS for a spot on Jake Reed. Of course they would. Think about the lack of competition. Sorry its just facts. If you cant compare them sisde by side with Mid Atlantic region which will be stacked then very tough to compare apples to apples.
Decades back, Detroit laughed at overseas competition in the auto industry.

Years back, technology and IT staffers laughed at the prospect of an emerging off-shore push.

The point is simple. The Long Island and Maryland strangle-hold on recruiting scholarships will eventually decay as other regions begin to move into the competition. Think about it.


Cage I agree but what people or parents do is avoid the better competition. Come on, your a good attackman and you have that Big D man from extreme on you he makes you look OK. Now you go down and work a weak D man and you look great. As much as the evaluators try and make selections over all the regions when great players go against weak comp they look even better. I do agree as more athletes get involved and ex big lax guys living in other states really get lacrosse going the comp will get better but that in my opinion 5 to 10 years away. You have Cali and Texas and a few others putting out some good teams but those are just one or two strong teams. Could you imagine if LI actually put together a real select elite team. I mean the best players from Extreme, Express, Team LI etc. WOW.
The scenario you depict is already here. There are very few LI kids, many no LI kids. If you think just because your son is good LI lax kid he's got a D1 slot in the bag, you are grossly mistaken. The athletes being selected from other parts of the country are kids who 10 years ago would have been looking for D1 football scholarships. The party is over. I promise you. BTW I am a LI parent.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/19/14 05:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Would LI players like to compete against AL,FL,GA,LA,TN,MS for a spot on Jake Reed. Of course they would. Think about the lack of competition. Sorry its just facts. If you cant compare them sisde by side with Mid Atlantic region which will be stacked then very tough to compare apples to apples.
Decades back, Detroit laughed at overseas competition in the auto industry.

Years back, technology and IT staffers laughed at the prospect of an emerging off-shore push.

The point is simple. The Long Island and Maryland strangle-hold on recruiting scholarships will eventually decay as other regions begin to move into the competition. Think about it.


Cage I agree but what people or parents do is avoid the better competition. Come on, your a good attackman and you have that Big D man from extreme on you he makes you look OK. Now you go down and work a weak D man and you look great. As much as the evaluators try and make selections over all the regions when great players go against weak comp they look even better. I do agree as more athletes get involved and ex big lax guys living in other states really get lacrosse going the comp will get better but that in my opinion 5 to 10 years away. You have Cali and Texas and a few others putting out some good teams but those are just one or two strong teams. Could you imagine if LI actually put together a real select elite team. I mean the best players from Extreme, Express, Team LI etc. WOW.
The scenario you depict is already here. There are very few LI kids, many no LI kids. If you think just because your son is good LI lax kid he's got a D1 slot in the bag, you are grossly mistaken. The athletes being selected from other parts of the country are kids who 10 years ago would have been looking for D1 football scholarships. The party is over. I promise you. BTW I am a LI parent.


I understand what your saying but let's not jump the gun. If you combine the LI, and NY area players in D1 lax I believe it's over 20% of players. What I was originally stating is that LI parents don't want their kids to go against LI kids because the competition is too hard. So going to the South region is a lot easier than actually going to the Mid Atlantic region.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/19/14 06:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many 2018's went down to 3D Blue Chip this weekend to compete in the South region.


Would LI players like to compete against AL,FL,GA,LA,TN,MS for a spot on Jake Reed. Of course they would. Think about the lack of competition. Sorry its just facts. If you cant compare them sisde by side with Mid Atlantic region which will be stacked then very tough to compare apples to apples.


Please go to the 3d website before you make a comment like this. You would find out that you missed a few states for this camps "South region". like MD, Va, NC. This in fact is the toughest week. So if you are from LI your playing every stud and holdback from these three states. Now go to the website and look who LI will be competing against next week?


First things first I emphasized the weaker states for a reason. LI will be competing against PA, New [lacrosse], and LI, DE, and NJ. Would you compare these areas to the south. It's not football. The states I mentioned lacrosse is relatively a new sport. The states LI are competing against have long histories in the sport. It's just fact. And I did go to the 3D website. I find it interesting that so many LI players don't go down during their region tryout to avoid LI competition.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/19/14 09:19 PM
Sitting in LarryMiller airport after a weekend of 3d lacrosse. You must remember that there is no allocation of spots form each region. The National Evaluators will pick the best of all of the regions combined. 3d has this system down. They can evaluate over 5 weekends and pick the out those 5 weekends. Just because a kid dominates in a "weaker" region doesn't mean he will make the national cut. That said, talent level in the South region was very high in this age group. New sport or not, there are very good athletes from down south who can handle a stick.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/19/14 09:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many 2018's went down to 3D Blue Chip this weekend to compete in the South region.


Would LI players like to compete against AL,FL,GA,LA,TN,MS for a spot on Jake Reed. Of course they would. Think about the lack of competition. Sorry its just facts. If you cant compare them sisde by side with Mid Atlantic region which will be stacked then very tough to compare apples to apples.


Please go to the 3d website before you make a comment like this. You would find out that you missed a few states for this camps "South region". like MD, Va, NC. This in fact is the toughest week. So if you are from LI your playing every stud and holdback from these three states. Now go to the website and look who LI will be competing against next week?


First things first I emphasized the weaker states for a reason. LI will be competing against PA, New [lacrosse], and LI, DE, and NJ. Would you compare these areas to the south. It's not football. The states I mentioned lacrosse is relatively a new sport. The states LI are competing against have long histories in the sport. It's just fact. And I did go to the 3D website. I find it interesting that so many LI players don't go down during their region tryout to avoid LI competition.
So the top LI Kids are going down to compete against Kids they have seen and beat regularly in local tournaments? And not compete against the "other" hot bed MD kids?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/19/14 10:23 PM
I saw 6-7 2018 Express players at 3D. They were solid players, but they certainly did not dominate the "weak" southern competition.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/19/14 10:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many 2018's went down to 3D Blue Chip this weekend to compete in the South region.


Would LI players like to compete against AL,FL,GA,LA,TN,MS for a spot on Jake Reed. Of course they would. Think about the lack of competition. Sorry its just facts. If you cant compare them sisde by side with Mid Atlantic region which will be stacked then very tough to compare apples to apples.


Please go to the 3d website before you make a comment like this. You would find out that you missed a few states for this camps "South region". like MD, Va, NC. This in fact is the toughest week. So if you are from LI your playing every stud and holdback from these three states. Now go to the website and look who LI will be competing against next week?


First things first I emphasized the weaker states for a reason. LI will be competing against PA, New [lacrosse], and LI, DE, and NJ. Would you compare these areas to the south. It's not football. The states I mentioned lacrosse is relatively a new sport. The states LI are competing against have long histories in the sport. It's just fact. And I did go to the 3D website. I find it interesting that so many LI players don't go down during their region tryout to avoid LI competition.
So the top LI Kids are going down to compete against Kids they have seen and beat regularly in local tournaments? And not compete against the "other" hot bed MD kids?


My son was assigned to the North East vs Mid Atlantic. No ducking just assigned. Would prefer to be there with LI competition and not on Super Bowl weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/19/14 11:31 PM
Not every kid from NY is better than every kid from down south. The LI Express FOGO played really really well. The other Express players blended in. I was surprised to see so many Express, but glad they were there.

Don't forget there were MD Crabs and the VA kids are really DC suburb Madlax/VLC etc...

My guess is that this was probably the 2nd strongest weekend.

Several standout players not from NY and not all older holdbacks either
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/20/14 12:42 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not every kid from NY is better than every kid from down south. The LI Express FOGO played really really well. The other Express players blended in. I was surprised to see so many Express, but glad they were there.

Don't forget there were MD Crabs and the VA kids are really DC suburb Madlax/VLC etc...

My guess is that this was probably the 2nd strongest weekend.

Several standout players not from NY and not all older holdbacks either


Please don't take it as I am saying there are not good players down south. There are a ton of great athletes down there but their choice of sport has not been lacrosse as it has been for generations on the North East. It's just the talent pool isn't as deep in the south. So if your a LI kid at the south regional you have let's say a 70% chance of going vs a weaker player so you look better. In the Mid Atlantic you have only a 20% chance of going against a weak player. It's that simple. You brought up the Express FOGO he didn't have to go against the Extremes face off guys and fl$ guy. Not a knock but how did he do against them when they played at Mitchell Field. I was there and saw the games. Please tell me what you saw.

I see that some were assigned to different regions and I can assume it's because the position was full as you can see on the 3D website.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/20/14 01:25 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many 2018's went down to 3D Blue Chip this weekend to compete in the South region.


Would LI players like to compete against AL,FL,GA,LA,TN,MS for a spot on Jake Reed. Of course they would. Think about the lack of competition. Sorry its just facts. If you cant compare them sisde by side with Mid Atlantic region which will be stacked then very tough to compare apples to apples.


Please go to the 3d website before you make a comment like this. You would find out that you missed a few states for this camps "South region". like MD, Va, NC. This in fact is the toughest week. So if you are from LI your playing every stud and holdback from these three states. Now go to the website and look who LI will be competing against next week?



First things first I emphasized the weaker states for a reason. LI will be competing against PA, New [lacrosse], and LI, DE, and NJ. Would you compare these areas to the south. It's not football. The states I mentioned lacrosse is relatively a new sport. The states LI are competing against have long histories in the sport. It's just fact. And I did go to the 3D website. I find it interesting that so many LI players don't go down during their region tryout to avoid LI competition.
So the top LI Kids are going down to compete against Kids they have seen and beat regularly in local tournaments? And not compete against the "other" hot bed MD kids?


This isnt a team event. Its an individual event. Weaker players on some of the elite teams cant be hidden because they touch the field only when their team is up. Its facts. So why wouldnt you want to compete against the best from your region. The best players from the other regions will make their teams and then you play them. So you would face the best regardless but it easier to make the team in other regionss. If your a good player from LI but not the best you can shine vs some of the weaker players in other regions. Its a tough task for the evaluators. Wouldnt want to be in their shoes.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/20/14 02:24 AM
Okay, 600 kids across 5 regions only the top 120 make it to Jake Reed.

How many do you think will come from each region? Do you really think all the other regions are horrible? are 80-90% going to come from MId Atlantic

FOGO is the position where the hot beds excel significantly. To reach top level requires skill specific coaching which is hard to find outside the hot beds. At all other position I find it highly doubtful a single region out paces the others. This is an athletes game and there are athletes everywhere. LI does not have a monopoly on athleticism.

You also need to double check which states are in the region - It is not like there were a lot of Mississippi and Louisiana kids in the South - It was a lot of MD, VA, FL

I will concede Mid Atlantic is probably the top, my guess is Jake will be:
25% Mid Atlantic
20% South
20% North East
17.5% Midwest
17.5% West

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/20/14 03:21 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Okay, 600 kids across 5 regions only the top 120 make it to Jake Reed.

How many do you think will come from each region? Do you really think all the other regions are horrible? are 80-90% going to come from MId Atlantic

FOGO is the position where the hot beds excel significantly. To reach top level requires skill specific coaching which is hard to find outside the hot beds. At all other position I find it highly doubtful a single region out paces the others. This is an athletes game and there are athletes everywhere. LI does not have a monopoly on athleticism.

You also need to double check which states are in the region - It is not like there were a lot of Mississippi and Louisiana kids in the South - It was a lot of MD, VA, FL

I will concede Mid Atlantic is probably the top, my guess is Jake will be:
25% Mid Atlantic
20% South
20% North East
17.5% Midwest
17.5% West


the level of competition in some of the states that are in the South region is nowhere near as good as the mid-atlantic region.yes the number of kids that would be selected from Florida, Maryland and Virginia will be much greater. you just have the opportunity to play against weaker competition in the southern region so you may look better than you would playing in mid Atlantic.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/20/14 04:03 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Okay, 600 kids across 5 regions only the top 120 make it to Jake Reed.

How many do you think will come from each region? Do you really think all the other regions are horrible? are 80-90% going to come from MId Atlantic

FOGO is the position where the hot beds excel significantly. To reach top level requires skill specific coaching which is hard to find outside the hot beds. At all other position I find it highly doubtful a single region out paces the others. This is an athletes game and there are athletes everywhere. LI does not have a monopoly on athleticism.

You also need to double check which states are in the region - It is not like there were a lot of Mississippi and Louisiana kids in the South - It was a lot of MD, VA, FL

I will concede Mid Atlantic is probably the top, my guess is Jake will be:
25% Mid Atlantic
20% South
20% North East
17.5% Midwest
17.5% West

Wow. That's a lot of effort to just make stuff up!


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/20/14 01:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Okay, 600 kids across 5 regions only the top 120 make it to Jake Reed.

How many do you think will come from each region? Do you really think all the other regions are horrible? are 80-90% going to come from MId Atlantic

FOGO is the position where the hot beds excel significantly. To reach top level requires skill specific coaching which is hard to find outside the hot beds. At all other position I find it highly doubtful a single region out paces the others. This is an athletes game and there are athletes everywhere. LI does not have a monopoly on athleticism.

You also need to double check which states are in the region - It is not like there were a lot of Mississippi and Louisiana kids in the South - It was a lot of MD, VA, FL

I will concede Mid Atlantic is probably the top, my guess is Jake will be:
25% Mid Atlantic
20% South
20% North East
17.5% Midwest
17.5% West

2018 parents. Just a warning of advice. My 2017 son went to 3D Mid-Atlantic and was one of the 120 kids that made and played in Jake Reed during the summer. 3D Blue Chip was a good experience as was Jake Reed. It was a good experience because (1) it was fund for my kid (2) it gave him and his parents a chance to generally see where he stacked up and (3) it gave him some experience in a "showcase" situation which is invaluable as they enter their freshman year's as playing in showcases is very different than playing on their club teams and getting used to them helps a kid be more prepared for the next one. At Jake Reed last summer, there were very few college coaches because of IMCLA's guidance to stay away until they are officially in H.S. What I have learned since. Jake Reed for rosining freshman does help some of the boys "get on the radar" of college coaches. But Jake Reed is becoming more diluted in the 9/10/11th grades as they take 240 kids (not like ONLY 120 in the rising freshman year) and coach perception is that Jake Reed is being diluted. It still matters to get a direct (rather than having to make it there through the 3D camps) as a 9/10/11th grade but Maverick is without a doubt the most important showcase in the summer (over Jake Reed) and Philly Individual Showcase has become the most important in the Fall for freshman, Additionally, Fall tournaments if you play on a high caliber club team are critical and prospect days have become more and more important. Punchline is that Jake Reed is not the be all and end all and in fact has become diluted in the eyes of the coaches so don't fret too much over it. This is coming from a parent whose kid has made it 2 years in a row (current 2017).
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/20/14 03:11 PM
Not a lot of effort, and I agree my #'s at the bottom are made up. But I am trying to understand from the LI parents how many of the Jake Reed 120 they think will come from LI? is the rest of the country throwing money away when they sign up for 3d? If that is the case it should be discussed here.

Are we to expect that for Jake Reed 20 each from 91,Express and Team LI? Leaving only 60 spots for every other boy to compete for?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Okay, 600 kids across 5 regions only the top 120 make it to Jake Reed.

How many do you think will come from each region? Do you really think all the other regions are horrible? are 80-90% going to come from MId Atlantic

FOGO is the position where the hot beds excel significantly. To reach top level requires skill specific coaching which is hard to find outside the hot beds. At all other position I find it highly doubtful a single region out paces the others. This is an athletes game and there are athletes everywhere. LI does not have a monopoly on athleticism.

You also need to double check which states are in the region - It is not like there were a lot of Mississippi and Louisiana kids in the South - It was a lot of MD, VA, FL

I will concede Mid Atlantic is probably the top, my guess is Jake will be:
25% Mid Atlantic
20% South
20% North East
17.5% Midwest
17.5% West

Wow. That's a lot of effort to just make stuff up!


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/20/14 08:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 parents. Just a warning of advice. My 2017 son went to 3D Mid-Atlantic and was one of the 120 kids that made and played in Jake Reed during the summer. 3D Blue Chip was a good experience as was Jake Reed. It was a good experience because (1) it was fund for my kid (2) it gave him and his parents a chance to generally see where he stacked up and (3) it gave him some experience in a "showcase" situation which is invaluable as they enter their freshman year's as playing in showcases is very different than playing on their club teams and getting used to them helps a kid be more prepared for the next one. At Jake Reed last summer, there were very few college coaches because of IMCLA's guidance to stay away until they are officially in H.S. What I have learned since. Jake Reed for rosining freshman does help some of the boys "get on the radar" of college coaches. But Jake Reed is becoming more diluted in the 9/10/11th grades as they take 240 kids (not like ONLY 120 in the rising freshman year) and coach perception is that Jake Reed is being diluted. It still matters to get a direct (rather than having to make it there through the 3D camps) as a 9/10/11th grade but Maverick is without a doubt the most important showcase in the summer (over Jake Reed) and Philly Individual Showcase has become the most important in the Fall for freshman, Additionally, Fall tournaments if you play on a high caliber club team are critical and prospect days have become more and more important. Punchline is that Jake Reed is not the be all and end all and in fact has become diluted in the eyes of the coaches so don't fret too much over it. This is coming from a parent whose kid has made it 2 years in a row (current 2017).


great post and I hope everybody reads this carefully, my son (2015) went to 3D as a rising 10th grader and made it to Jake Reed, both camps were good but at Jake Reed I felt only the top of the top schools were represented (IVY, ACC, ND, Hopkins ect.) and not a lot of other schools, I realize that the time line has changed dramatically since then but from what I have seen it looks like prospect days are the single most important thing followed by Individual camps and then tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/21/14 01:20 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
great post and I hope everybody reads this carefully, my son (2015) went to 3D as a rising 10th grader and made it to Jake Reed, both camps were good but at Jake Reed I felt only the top of the top schools were represented (IVY, ACC, ND, Hopkins ect.) and not a lot of other schools, I realize that the time line has changed dramatically since then but from what I have seen it looks like prospect days are the single most important thing followed by Individual camps and then tournaments.


Confused. If you are at what is truly a top tier event, shouldn't be on the radar of the schools you mention? Were you expecting NEC, A-Sun and some D2's? I would think that if those are your targets you should attend showcases geared toward that group.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/21/14 02:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
great post and I hope everybody reads this carefully, my son (2015) went to 3D as a rising 10th grader and made it to Jake Reed, both camps were good but at Jake Reed I felt only the top of the top schools were represented (IVY, ACC, ND, Hopkins ect.) and not a lot of other schools, I realize that the time line has changed dramatically since then but from what I have seen it looks like prospect days are the single most important thing followed by Individual camps and then tournaments.



Confused. If you are at what is truly a top tier event, shouldn't be on the radar of the schools you mention? Were you expecting NEC, A-Sun and some D2's? I would think that if those are your targets you should attend showcases geared toward that group.


At Maverik you had every D1 school in the nation not JUST to ACC and IVY schools, some of the better academic schools are not the best fit for some kids
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/21/14 02:40 PM
accroding to Jake Reed, it doesn't matter what region, it is soley base on individual performance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many 2018's went down to 3D Blue Chip this weekend to compete in the South region.


Would LI players like to compete against AL,FL,GA,LA,TN,MS for a spot on Jake Reed. Of course they would. Think about the lack of competition. Sorry its just facts. If you cant compare them sisde by side with Mid Atlantic region which will be stacked then very tough to compare apples to apples.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/21/14 05:18 PM
Can't speak for everyone, but my son went this last weekend because that was the date that was sent in the invite. Honestly, we would have gone to any of the dates (happy to get invited), but would have preferred the LI event because we know the level of competition...Going up against the MD boys (and some others that were 15 years old and outweighed mine by 40 pounds) was no picnic.

This isn't meant to address the reclass issue which has been played out a million times, but for all those that think the rest of the south can't play, you are wrong. For those that think we chose which dates we would attend because we wanted to go against weak competition, you are also wrong, at least in my case...

Note to the person commenting on express FOGO above, I watched that FOGO play at Mitchell field and all over at dozens of games over the years. I thought he won more than he lost, as he generally does against the top guys. We didn't play fl$ that day; we played extreme, team LI, 365 and Dukes and lost all those games.

If that kid is not the best (always going to be someone that is better, and faster and bigger), he is as good as any other and in my experience, has beaten all comp more than he has lost...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/21/14 05:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can't speak for everyone, but my son went this last weekend because that was the date that was sent in the invite. Honestly, we would have gone to any of the dates (happy to get invited), but would have preferred the LI event because we know the level of competition...Going up against the MD boys (and some others that were 15 years old and outweighed mine by 40 pounds) was no picnic.

This isn't meant to address the reclass issue which has been played out a million times, but for all those that think the rest of the south can't play, you are wrong. For those that think we chose which dates we would attend because we wanted to go against weak competition, you are also wrong, at least in my case...

Note to the person commenting on express FOGO above, I watched that FOGO play at Mitchell field and all over at dozens of games over the years. I thought he won more than he lost, as he generally does against the top guys. We didn't play fl$ that day; we played extreme, team LI, 365 and Dukes and lost all those games.

If that kid is not the best (always going to be someone that is better, and faster and bigger), he is as good as any other and in my experience, has beaten all comp more than he has lost...


Nicely said.. we go down this week, looking forward to it, and yes, we did not choose this weekend, in fact, we had received invites for both the Mid-Atlantic and the Northeast. I just want my son to have some great opportunities and the chance to play and compete with the best.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/21/14 10:49 PM
For those of you with kids in 8th grade, when did they start working out in the gym for strength training? Was it manual resistance/body weight only at first? When did they progress to using weights? Just curious as to when some of these elite kids started to work out. Thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/21/14 11:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
For those of you with kids in 8th grade, when did they start working out in the gym for strength training? Was it manual resistance/body weight only at first? When did they progress to using weights? Just curious as to when some of these elite kids started to work out. Thanks


14 years old - so not yet for us or 6th grade if you are from a Maryland Prep School
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/22/14 02:34 AM
I am a bit confused and am hoping someone can set me straight. 3d Blue Chip has told us that "the best 120 players per grade" will be invited to the Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip Lacrosse Camp coming out of the 5 try-out camps being conducted this winter. I have read/heard that there will be some kids invited who get "direct bids" without the need to try out. Is this true?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/22/14 02:57 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am a bit confused and am hoping someone can set me straight. 3d Blue Chip has told us that "the best 120 players per grade" will be invited to the Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip Lacrosse Camp coming out of the 5 try-out camps being conducted this winter. I have read/heard that there will be some kids invited who get "direct bids" without the need to try out. Is this true?


2018's 120 kids all must go to 3D tryout to get an invitation to Jake Reed

2017,2016 and 2015 - 120 direct invites, 120 invites from 3D tryout - 240 total per grade
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/22/14 01:25 PM
Thanks much for clearing that up for me.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/22/14 02:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
For those of you with kids in 8th grade, when did they start working out in the gym for strength training? Was it manual resistance/body weight only at first? When did they progress to using weights? Just curious as to when some of these elite kids started to work out. Thanks


Get them training with the right people, do your homework. Speed and agility come from strength. Not cones and ladders. If the muscles are not strong enough to handle the load, the speed will not come, nor will the ability to cut. A balanced strength program is the only way to go. Can't start them off with the old school benching and squatting.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/22/14 04:35 PM
U can start doing weight training as early as 9 yrs old. If it's done right with precision form it will help your kids tremendously. American board of pediatrics states it's a myth of weight training stunting growth. They say it helps strengthening bones and truly helps their minds too. It also helps prevent injury. My son is 12 and has been doing it for 3 yrs on and off and it has helped his acceleration and he is strong for his size.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/22/14 04:41 PM
Stack cards 52 or the Hershel Walker way is the best for those just entering into the teen years or pre teen (it is best to find a good trainer so you are not the bad guy. trust me, it helps the family dynamic also). Then by 15 you will know if a full out work out strength training regimen is best. but you need to know your child and what works best because it is not a cookie cutter thing to enter into.

like everything there are physical and emotional sides of it.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
For those of you with kids in 8th grade, when did they start working out in the gym for strength training? Was it manual resistance/body weight only at first? When did they progress to using weights? Just curious as to when some of these elite kids started to work out. Thanks


Get them training with the right people, do your homework. Speed and agility come from strength. Not cones and ladders. If the muscles are not strong enough to handle the load, the speed will not come, nor will the ability to cut. A balanced strength program is the only way to go. Can't start them off with the old school benching and squatting.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/22/14 09:33 PM
Back to 3D - my son never received an invitation, we never pursued an invitation nor applied to 3D and we have no interest in going to 3D yet I just received an e-mail "last Chance" to register for 3D, this is the first time we have heard from them.

Anybody that missed out and is dying to spend 2 grand for 3 days in the Florida sun I would contact 3D and try and get in. They are obviously looking to fill the Super Bowl weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/22/14 10:06 PM
I think including Superbowl weekend was a bad choice by 3d.

I will tell you however that in each grade your last game is either at 1pm, 2pm or 3pm and lasts for one hour. You do not need to miss the Seahawks/Broncos - this is the northeast region weekend so good thing the Pats didn't make it smile

Overall this was a great skills camp. The six hours of practice included a lot of reps and constant stops for add'l coaching. Friday turned into a long day leaving the field after 9pm. Position training at 3:30pm is listed as optional, my son got a lot out of it, I recommend attending.

I also recommend that during practices you park as close to the entrance as possible and back your car into the spot (makes leaving much easier - everyone leaves at the same time). Once games begin there are less people at the fields with big gaps between games so parking is easier

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/23/14 02:07 PM
we leave tonight, any other tips, should the parent stay the entire time, how was the weather, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think including Superbowl weekend was a bad choice by 3d.

I will tell you however that in each grade your last game is either at 1pm, 2pm or 3pm and lasts for one hour. You do not need to miss the Seahawks/Broncos - this is the northeast region weekend so good thing the Pats didn't make it smile

Overall this was a great skills camp. The six hours of practice included a lot of reps and constant stops for add'l coaching. Friday turned into a long day leaving the field after 9pm. Position training at 3:30pm is listed as optional, my son got a lot out of it, I recommend attending.

I also recommend that during practices you park as close to the entrance as possible and back your car into the spot (makes leaving much easier - everyone leaves at the same time). Once games begin there are less people at the fields with big gaps between games so parking is easier

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/23/14 03:31 PM
Last weekend was definitely cold. Especially at night. Check the forecast and bring appropriate dress. Most boys wore sweats for Saturday night games. My son played until 9pm both Friday and Saturday night.

Expect a tired boy on Saturday morning after late practice Friday night. Some people skipped the recruiting seminar to allow their boy to sleep in. The parking at the hotel main building is inadequate.

It seemed that nearly all parents stayed. Bring a chair if you want one. Not a lot of stuff nearby, the main hotel is 15-20 minutes from the field.

I also recommend stopping at a gas station and bringing your own water since the water at the field is not very accessible (120 boys taking a break at the same time).

Originally Posted by Anonymous
we leave tonight, any other tips, should the parent stay the entire time, how was the weather, etc.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/23/14 03:44 PM
Here are my thoughts.

Weather was cold at times -- especially at night or when cloudy. Check the forecast and do not assume it is Florida and warm. Boys will be fine because they will be playing, but the cold warning is more about spectators. I packed poorly.

I would say most parents stayed for every session, but it is not necessary. I watched a lot because I coach and was interested in the 3D approach, which I liked a lot. You likely will want to watch the games.
The 3D system/approach is taught and sold throughout the camp. Individual or selfish play is not rewarded.
Map out a schedule for food for your son. The sessions/games fall during meal times, so you want to make sure your son is fed and hydrated.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/23/14 05:25 PM
What I thought was interesting was the offensive schemes were largely set up to create isolation plays (either from the top or at x)

This allowed both the ball carrier and defender to showcase their skill/athleticism. The better players after beating their initial man usually made the right choice whether to shoot or pass based on what they saw. The athletic but low lax IQ players usually beat the 1st defender, but then turned the ball over with a poorly thought out shot or ill timed passed.

This play calling setup a lot of opportunity for evaluation. The coaches I am sure wanted to win, but stuck to the prescribed game plan

Officials kept their flags in their pockets unless an egregious fouls occurred - this helped maximize playtime

Although I am sure it was unintentional, the teams were not all evenly matched. The officials helped out in this case too. In one particular game my boys’ team held the ball most of the game. During the last ten minutes it seemed that every time we caused a turnover a hold was called. Normally I would complain, but this allowed for more reps for our defenders and for the other team’s attack.

It was also very strange to see the parents so quiet on the sidelines, my first experience at an individual showcase and it was great to see the dads hold themselves in check and not ruining things for their sons.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/23/14 07:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last weekend was definitely cold. Especially at night. Check the forecast and bring appropriate dress. Most boys wore sweats for Saturday night games. My son played until 9pm both Friday and Saturday night.

Expect a tired boy on Saturday morning after late practice Friday night. Some people skipped the recruiting seminar to allow their boy to sleep in. The parking at the hotel main building is inadequate.

It seemed that nearly all parents stayed. Bring a chair if you want one. Not a lot of stuff nearby, the main hotel is 15-20 minutes from the field.

I also recommend stopping at a gas station and bringing your own water since the water at the field is not very accessible (120 boys taking a break at the same time).

Originally Posted by Anonymous
we leave tonight, any other tips, should the parent stay the entire time, how was the weather, etc.



Love the advise....Thank you!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/26/14 12:55 AM
How do you get the invite? High School ball? Club play? Other showcase?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/27/14 04:00 PM
Now that the boys are back from 3D Blue Chip. What are people's opinions and how did the LI boys do in the Mid Atlantic Region tryout.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/27/14 05:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How do you get the invite? High School ball? Club play? Other showcase?


Yes, Yes and No - you need to have someone with a contact to recommend you
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/27/14 10:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now that the boys are back from 3D Blue Chip. What are people's opinions and how did the LI boys do in the Mid Atlantic Region tryout.


Here is a review of how some of the locals played this weekend:

Ryan Schaeffer, A, Bellport (N.Y.) / LI Jesters / #209
Schaeffer was one of the more skilled attackmen over the last two camps, generating a ton of points for his squad. Could move well without the ball and carry while making excellent decisions, finishing many of his shots after separating turning the corner or from the outside. Did a nice job riding too.

Nick Filipelli, M, Chaminade (N.Y.) / fl$ / #158
Liked this two-way athlete, especially the way he surveyed the field from his spot up top, constantly looking for cutting teammates or using a split or rollback to get his hands free for a shot. Have to also give a shoutout to teammate and high school rival Keller Jacobs (St. Anthony's, N.Y.) for some nice plays throughout the two days of games.

Lucas Capobianco-Hogan, LSM/D, Mt. Sinai (N.Y.) / Tenacious Turtles / #137
While he'll need to work on his foot speed to match up with athletic attackmen, I like the upside on the Long Island D guy. His size is excellent, the tenacity he shows when staying all over hands is impressive and his off-ball work is steady. With some polish, he'll be recruit that is very much in demand a year or so from now.

Jensen Corabi, M, Half Hollow Hills West (N.Y.) / Team 91
A strong outside shooter, Corabi went to the rack hard all weekend, unleashing an accurate shot and showing great play between the lines. He's rather small height-wise and needs to bulk up but I was impressed with him nonetheless.

Jason Intermesoli, A, Sayville (N.Y.) / Team LI / #180
Given his ability to catch and finish virtually everything, I'm fully convinced that Intermesoli must have some sort of Canadian in him. Paired with Munro's feeds, the offense of the Spencer Ford-coached squad was outstanding. The kid showed flashes of dodging but has a really good stick around the crease, a quality that recruiters will eat up.

Sean Kuttin, M, St. James (N.Y.) / Team 91 / #166
I'd received a text from a source on Long Island about the prowess of Kuttin (who will attend Chaminade next year, I'm told) and those expectations were surpassed. A super-skilled dodger, Kuttin gave the opposition fits with some excellent plays and a fantastic lacrosse IQ for his age. Also possesses a great burst of speed, a wiggle in his step when beating his man and some nifty fakes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/27/14 11:34 PM
Thanks for the info. But Cuttin is the only 2018. Since this is 2018 thread how did the other boys do.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/27/14 11:43 PM
Any other LI boys that impressed? Goalies or D?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/28/14 02:24 AM
Looks like 3 other 91 extreme boys where mentioned as well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/28/14 02:58 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks for the info. But Cuttin is the only 2018. Since this is 2018 thread how did the other boys do.


Read the write up from insidelacrosse magazine. Many LI boys got mentioned.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/28/14 03:48 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like 3 other 91 extreme boys where mentioned as well.


There are two more from 91 Extreme a D man and a Mid that should have been mentioned. Should have been a total of 6 Extreme players. Also a fl$ Face Off/Mid, another fl$ Mid, and a Legacy goalie that all played really well from LI.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/28/14 04:09 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks for the info. But Cuttin is the only 2018. Since this is 2018 thread how did the other boys do.


Read the write up from insidelacrosse magazine. Many LI boys got mentioned.


Kuttin is the only 2018. The rest are from other years. This is the 2018 thread to discuss the 2018 players. He played really well even though his team was pretty bad and lost every game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/28/14 02:13 PM
The IL articla should be taken with a grain of salt.

The author is borderline apologetic in his writing at the beginning of the mid atlantic article. I wonder if he received feedback after posting the south article? "Please keep in mind that the observations below are mine alone, switching between three fields all weekend, and I have no influence over who gets invited."

I perceived a bias in his writing towards kids from well know clubs in his area (kids he already knew). I also noted a couple of boys who spent a somewhat recent season on 2017 squads. Not sure if they are reclassified or had historically played up.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/28/14 05:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks for the info. But Cuttin is the only 2018. Since this is 2018 thread how did the other boys do.


Read the write up from insidelacrosse magazine. Many LI boys got mentioned.


Kuttin is the only 2018. The rest are from other years. This is the 2018 thread to discuss the 2018 players. He played really well even though his team was pretty bad and lost every game.


Boys named in inside lacrosse 2018 Mid-Atlantic:

S Kuttin (Team 91)
B Brosnahan (Express Terps)
Tommy Rooney (Team 91)
J Ginder (Team 91)
F Marinello (Team 91)

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/28/14 05:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks for the info. But Cuttin is the only 2018. Since this is 2018 thread how did the other boys do.


Read the write up from insidelacrosse magazine. Many LI boys got mentioned.


Kuttin is the only 2018. The rest are from other years. This is the 2018 thread to discuss the 2018 players. He played really well even though his team was pretty bad and lost every game.


Boys named in inside lacrosse 2018 Mid-Atlantic:

S Kuttin (Team 91)
B Brosnahan (Express Terps)
Tommy Rooney (Team 91)
J Ginder (Team 91)
F Marinello (Team 91)



Didn't see Brandon mentioned until now. Good for him he played really well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/28/14 06:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks for the info. But Cuttin is the only 2018. Since this is 2018 thread how did the other boys do.


Read the write up from insidelacrosse magazine. Many LI boys got mentioned.


Kuttin is the only 2018. The rest are from other years. This is the 2018 thread to discuss the 2018 players. He played really well even though his team was pretty bad and lost every game.


Boys named in inside lacrosse 2018 Mid-Atlantic:

S Kuttin (Team 91)
B Brosnahan (Express Terps)
Tommy Rooney (Team 91)
J Ginder (Team 91)
F Marinello (Team 91)



Just to be clear, only Kuttin was written up. The others recieved "mentions", not the same thing. The goal is to be one of the kids actually listed in bold as a stand out. the other kids need to work a little harder, maybe next time they will see their names in bold!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/28/14 06:56 PM
I thought the goal was two fold:

-learn something as the 3d coaching was excellent
-prove yourself against peers and try to earn a trip to Jake Reed

I had no idea the goal was to get on this IL blogger's radar. Have you read what he wrote? Most of the quickly jotted forum posts and assorted rants we read on BOTC are more eloquently written and make better use of grammar than the IL author and editors.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/28/14 07:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks for the info. But Cuttin is the only 2018. Since this is 2018 thread how did the other boys do.


Read the write up from insidelacrosse magazine. Many LI boys got mentioned.


Kuttin is the only 2018. The rest are from other years. This is the 2018 thread to discuss the 2018 players. He played really well even though his team was pretty bad and lost every game.


Boys named in inside lacrosse 2018 Mid-Atlantic:

S Kuttin (Team 91)
B Brosnahan (Express Terps)
Tommy Rooney (Team 91)
J Ginder (Team 91)
F Marinello (Team 91)



Just to be clear, only Kuttin was written up. The others recieved "mentions", not the same thing. The goal is to be one of the kids actually listed in bold as a stand out. the other kids need to work a little harder, maybe next time they will see their names in bold!


Brosnahan did not get a mention he was in the write up too.

Charlie Cordisco, LSM/D, Kennett Square (Pa.) / Dukes HHH / #140
The athletic LSM made a big impact when he was on the field, roaming with an active stick and sound footwork. Did a nice job shadowing his man 1-on-1 and simply made plays. Teammate Brandon Brosnahan (Syosset, N.Y. / LI Express Terps) also impressed down on close D with his motor, size and stick work.

Yes, i know, he wasn't the highlighted but if you go by your statement, he did get written too.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/28/14 07:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought the goal was two fold:

-learn something as the 3d coaching was excellent
-prove yourself against peers and try to earn a trip to Jake Reed

I had no idea the goal was to get on this IL blogger's radar. Have you read what he wrote? Most of the quickly jotted forum posts and assorted rants we read on BOTC are more eloquently written and make better use of grammar than the IL author and editors.


Ty Xander is the king of Hs lax. When he writes you up college coaches take notice!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/28/14 07:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks for the info. But Cuttin is the only 2018. Since this is 2018 thread how did the other boys do.


Read the write up from insidelacrosse magazine. Many LI boys got mentioned.


Kuttin is the only 2018. The rest are from other years. This is the 2018 thread to discuss the 2018 players. He played really well even though his team was pretty bad and lost every game.


Boys named in inside lacrosse 2018 Mid-Atlantic:

S Kuttin (Team 91)
B Brosnahan (Express Terps)
Tommy Rooney (Team 91)
J Ginder (Team 91)
F Marinello (Team 91)



Just to be clear, only Kuttin was written up. The others recieved "mentions", not the same thing. The goal is to be one of the kids actually listed in bold as a stand out. the other kids need to work a little harder, maybe next time they will see their names in bold!

Who's goal is it to be written up? Yours? I feel bad for your kid, If you are the one setting HIS goals. Is it so hard for you to give those kids any credit who got "mentioned"? What an embarrassment right? What a bunch of 13/14 year old losers! They should be ashamed of themselves! Does writing that actually make you feel better about yourself or your own kid? Some of you people are truly out of you minds! BTW How do you know how hard they worked? Congrats to the boys who were "mentioned" and the boys who weren't, but worked their asses off to get there!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/28/14 07:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks for the info. But Cuttin is the only 2018. Since this is 2018 thread how did the other boys do.


Read the write up from insidelacrosse magazine. Many LI boys got mentioned.


Kuttin is the only 2018. The rest are from other years. This is the 2018 thread to discuss the 2018 players. He played really well even though his team was pretty bad and lost every game.


Boys named in inside lacrosse 2018 Mid-Atlantic:

S Kuttin (Team 91)
B Brosnahan (Express Terps)
Tommy Rooney (Team 91)
J Ginder (Team 91)
F Marinello (Team 91)



Just to be clear, only Kuttin was written up. The others recieved "mentions", not the same thing. The goal is to be one of the kids actually listed in bold as a stand out. the other kids need to work a little harder, maybe next time they will see their names in bold!


You sir/ma'am sum up about evrything wrong with youth sports Are you the same person that sent IL a text? gimme a break if the goal was to type moronic comments well yours should be put in bold
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/28/14 07:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought the goal was two fold:

-learn something as the 3d coaching was excellent
-prove yourself against peers and try to earn a trip to Jake Reed

I had no idea the goal was to get on this IL blogger's radar. Have you read what he wrote? Most of the quickly jotted forum posts and assorted rants we read on BOTC are more eloquently written and make better use of grammar than the IL author and editors.


No. The Goal is to make the top 125 and get the invite to Jake Reed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/28/14 07:52 PM
Being mentioned is obviously nice but not the ultimate goal of the camp.

For most, the ultimate goal I assume it is to get the Jake Reed invite. That was my sons goal but after 2 days of the camp, we agreed, the experience was well worth it even if he didn't get the invite.

Overall a great camp and experience.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/28/14 08:33 PM
how many games did Ty Xander actully watch at the 2018 level since all games for the 3 age groups were going on at the same time. seems to be a case of playing at the right time for a quick look by mr Xander
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/28/14 08:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks for the info. But Cuttin is the only 2018. Since this is 2018 thread how did the other boys do.


Read the write up from insidelacrosse magazine. Many LI boys got mentioned.


Kuttin is the only 2018. The rest are from other years. This is the 2018 thread to discuss the 2018 players. He played really well even though his team was pretty bad and lost every game.


Boys named in inside lacrosse 2018 Mid-Atlantic:

S Kuttin (Team 91)
B Brosnahan (Express Terps)
Tommy Rooney (Team 91)
J Ginder (Team 91)
F Marinello (Team 91)



Just to be clear, only Kuttin was written up. The others recieved "mentions", not the same thing. The goal is to be one of the kids actually listed in bold as a stand out. the other kids need to work a little harder, maybe next time they will see their names in bold!


You sir/ma'am sum up about evrything wrong with youth sports Are you the same person that sent IL a text? gimme a break if the goal was to type moronic comments well yours should be put in bold


I disagree. I believe you are everything wrong with youth sports and youth in general. Everyone is not special, and everyone does not deserve a medal. Deal with it!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/28/14 09:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks for the info. But Cuttin is the only 2018. Since this is 2018 thread how did the other boys do.


Read the write up from insidelacrosse magazine. Many LI boys got mentioned.


Kuttin is the only 2018. The rest are from other years. This is the 2018 thread to discuss the 2018 players. He played really well even though his team was pretty bad and lost every game.


Boys named in inside lacrosse 2018 Mid-Atlantic:

S Kuttin (Team 91)
B Brosnahan (Express Terps)
Tommy Rooney (Team 91)
J Ginder (Team 91)
F Marinello (Team 91)



Just to be clear, only Kuttin was written up. The others recieved "mentions", not the same thing. The goal is to be one of the kids actually listed in bold as a stand out. the other kids need to work a little harder, maybe next time they will see their names in bold!


Brosnahan did not get a mention he was in the write up too.

Charlie Cordisco, LSM/D, Kennett Square (Pa.) / Dukes HHH / #140
The athletic LSM made a big impact when he was on the field, roaming with an active stick and sound footwork. Did a nice job shadowing his man 1-on-1 and simply made plays. Teammate Brandon Brosnahan (Syosset, N.Y. / LI Express Terps) also impressed down on close D with his motor, size and stick work.

Yes, i know, he wasn't the highlighted but if you go by your statement, he did get written too.


That was nice, but the goal is to be in bold!! He was mentioned in someone else' s write up. Still nice!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/28/14 10:22 PM
Really. Whether it was a write up of a kid or a kid was made mention of. Let's be happy for those kids that were able to standout amongst the best competition. That fact that anybody would lessen something that is a positive is sad. Can you all talk about the experience overall - so those of us that what our kids to attend in the coming years know what to expect.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/28/14 10:27 PM
Just to be clear, only Kuttin was written up. The others recieved "mentions", not the same thing. The goal is to be one of the kids actually listed in bold as a stand out. the other kids need to work a little harder, maybe next time they will see their names in bold! [/quote]

You sir/ma'am sum up about evrything wrong with youth sports Are you the same person that sent IL a text? gimme a break if the goal was to type moronic comments well yours should be put in bold [/quote]

I disagree. I believe you are everything wrong with youth sports and youth in general. Everyone is not special, and everyone does not deserve a medal. Deal with it! [/quote]

I really hope he is not your kid, because you are embarrasing yourself and him...Kid is a great player by the way.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 01:42 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just to be clear, only Kuttin was written up. The others recieved "mentions", not the same thing. The goal is to be one of the kids actually listed in bold as a stand out. the other kids need to work a little harder, maybe next time they will see their names in bold!


You sir/ma'am sum up about evrything wrong with youth sports Are you the same person that sent IL a text? gimme a break if the goal was to type moronic comments well yours should be put in bold [/quote]

I disagree. I believe you are everything wrong with youth sports and youth in general. Everyone is not special, and everyone does not deserve a medal. Deal with it! [/quote]

I really hope he is not your kid, because you are embarrasing yourself and him...Kid is a great player by the way. [/quote]

Yea your right. The goal is to get written up by a twenty something that NEVER played the game himself! A typical sports writer. What are his credentials to evaluate athletic talent at any level. Gotta wonder why you would be so concerned about that. And please, please, please don't fool yourselves college coaches DONT take notice of these write ups at all. They rely on their own eyes, their assistant coaches and heir close network of COACHES. I've literally seen write ups on kids that in other age groups that are 2nd string "B" players no kidding! No horse in the race here, just some facts for you all to contemplate. Facts!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 01:46 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought the goal was two fold:

-learn something as the 3d coaching was excellent
-prove yourself against peers and try to earn a trip to Jake Reed

I had no idea the goal was to get on this IL blogger's radar. Have you read what he wrote? Most of the quickly jotted forum posts and assorted rants we read on BOTC are more eloquently written and make better use of grammar than the IL author and editors.




Ty Xander is the king of Hs lax. When he writes you up college coaches take notice!


Your kidding right? College coaches know better. The only people that pay any attention to hear write ups are the kids and their goofy parents. What are his credentials to evaluate talent? Anyone know where and at what level he played or coached? Nope. Why?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 02:04 AM
First, as to the write up by Ty - understand that for 2018 the kids were divided into 6 teams and they played 4 games as did 2017 and 2016. There were always 3 games going on at the same time. Ty wrote about each class so unless he has super powers there is no way he saw every game. I hope that puts his write up into some perspective. Congrats to each of the kids that got mentioned but having watched 6 2018 games I can tell you the talent level across the board was off the charts. I saw some of the best lacrosse I have seen played at the 8th grade level. To me there were a handful of kids at top of the class who were phenomenal and a handful at the bottom who were very good but not quite there. The majority of the kids in the middle were really, really good. What was very impressive to me was the excellent passing - you just didn't see any ball hogging which surprised me for a showcase event. The training and coaching was fantastic and it was clear the kids bought into the warnings that ball hogging was the best way to insure not getting an invite.

The goal really is to be one of the kids that makes it to the summer event and I don't know how they will make those decisions as so many played well enough to make it. Whether my son is in that group or not it was well worth the trip and the $.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 02:35 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought the goal was two fold:

-learn something as the 3d coaching was excellent
-prove yourself against peers and try to earn a trip to Jake Reed

I had no idea the goal was to get on this IL blogger's radar. Have you read what he wrote? Most of the quickly jotted forum posts and assorted rants we read on BOTC are more eloquently written and make better use of grammar than the IL author and editors.




Ty Xander is the king of Hs lax. When he writes you up college coaches take notice!


Your kidding right? College coaches know better. The only people that pay any attention to hear write ups are the kids and their goofy parents. What are his credentials to evaluate talent? Anyone know where and at what level he played or coached? Nope. Why?


Amen. This guy is a joke. He only writes about kids he hears whispers about from Chanenchuk and others who want their kids written about. It's a scam and a sham. Look at the lists of recruits - just as many if not more that didn't even make this guys "watch list". Love the egg on his face everytime a new "non-lister" commits to a top 10 program. One guy can't possibly properly evaluate thousands of players across the U.S. and Canada in one grade let alone several. They should just stop this foolish stuff but they won't because even though its worthless it generates pages views and more importantly advertsing dollars from monkeys like us.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 12:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
how many games did Ty Xander actully watch at the 2018 level since all games for the 3 age groups were going on at the same time. seems to be a case of playing at the right time for a quick look by mr Xander


Best case scenario, he could have ran from field to field and could have watched ~ 15 minutes of every game without eating or a bio brake which means he missed a lot more then he saw. Then again I'm sure he bought the full video for the 3 age groups and watched them all before writing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 12:26 PM
Your write up is spot on. We attended the South event and feel the same way.

Ty does a disservice to the event with his coverage. He should of covered a single grade only. It is clear he caught only limited action and clear he had favorites/kids he already knew of and planned to watch before the event. For a blind tryout you would the think the coverage should be blind too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
First, as to the write up by Ty - understand that for 2018 the kids were divided into 6 teams and they played 4 games as did 2017 and 2016. There were always 3 games going on at the same time. Ty wrote about each class so unless he has super powers there is no way he saw every game. I hope that puts his write up into some perspective. Congrats to each of the kids that got mentioned but having watched 6 2018 games I can tell you the talent level across the board was off the charts. I saw some of the best lacrosse I have seen played at the 8th grade level. To me there were a handful of kids at top of the class who were phenomenal and a handful at the bottom who were very good but not quite there. The majority of the kids in the middle were really, really good. What was very impressive to me was the excellent passing - you just didn't see any ball hogging which surprised me for a showcase event. The training and coaching was fantastic and it was clear the kids bought into the warnings that ball hogging was the best way to insure not getting an invite.

The goal really is to be one of the kids that makes it to the summer event and I don't know how they will make those decisions as so many played well enough to make it. Whether my son is in that group or not it was well worth the trip and the $.
Posted By: America's Game Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 12:53 PM
Can't we just be happy that so many LI boys were even mentioned. Kuttin so deserves the accolades. The fact that those other boys were noticed to be given honorable mention is also an honor. They stood out at event where it was difficult to stand out. Just like any recruiting/showcase event the coaches, evaluators, only see you at certain times and if you standout you standout if you don't you don't. To be mentioned is to be on the radar. Even if it's by a blogger who covers lacrosse. Now the final evaluation and team selection is up to those at the event. It is a difficult job and one that will receive much criticism. Oh and what's most interesting is all the ex D1 players who are parents on this and read this site can criticize the bloggers lacrosse pedigree and whst does he know. Just enjoy your kid and their successes and failures. Before you know it their off to college.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 01:18 PM
How about the fact that he wrote about/mentioned a kid (Dalton Koponen (D - St. Thomas Aquinas, Fla. / Florida Xtreme)at two events, so either that kid went to two showcases in a row or someone wasn't paying to much attention to what he himself was writing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 02:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How about the fact that he wrote about/mentioned a kid (Dalton Koponen (D - St. Thomas Aquinas, Fla. / Florida Xtreme)at two events, so either that kid went to two showcases in a row or someone wasn't paying to much attention to what he himself was writing.


Xanders only writes about kids he hears about from club coaches and evaluators. If you want your kid written about have your club coach (not your HS coach, because he only mixes with the clubs) contact him. If your club can't make it within 100 miles of Baltimore in the Summer or Fall or isn't from a brand name club that pays for him to attend their events you can forget about your kid being mentioned. Joke.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 03:34 PM
Regardless how Ty Xanders found out about the Kuttin Kid. Kuttin still had to perform at a very high level for him to be mentioned in the article. I am sure Ty gets tips on kids all the time. He uses his experience as an evaluator of HS talent. He then chooses the kids who get written up. Its a great honor. Lets not get jealous over others success.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 05:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Regardless how Ty Xanders found out about the Kuttin Kid. Kuttin still had to perform at a very high level for him to be mentioned in the article. I am sure Ty gets tips on kids all the time. He uses his experience as an evaluator of HS talent. He then chooses the kids who get written up. Its a great honor. Lets not get jealous over others success.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 05:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Regardless how Ty Xanders found out about the Kuttin Kid. Kuttin still had to perform at a very high level for him to be mentioned in the article. I am sure Ty gets tips on kids all the time. He uses his experience as an evaluator of HS talent. He then chooses the kids who get written up. Its a great honor. Lets not get jealous over others success.


The problem that people have with this guy is the "rankings". To say a kid is # whatever in the country is absurd and the truth is that his rankings are only really within the context of the small pool of talent that he's heard about or improbably seen. But to present a kid as the "x"th best freshman, sophomore or junior h.s. player in the country is entirely misleading and an instant flashpoint for debate and criticism - which is probably his goal anyway - anything for publicity good or bad. Everybody should understand that there are hundreds if not thousands of great players across the continent that are flying way below this guy's radar because they have not had the exposure or promotion that others have had. This guy's list should maybe be renamed the best promoted list. His inacuracy is exposed every day with kids that announce commitments that flew way under his radar because nobody ever bothered to tell this guy about the kid - yet the colleges knew about the kid all along.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 05:44 PM
Get ready. Looked at Ty's 2017 list , 5/32 early verbals from LI. All big schools. Hopkins, UNC, Virgina , Maryland and Bucknell. Seems like a low amount for LI, whats going on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 05:55 PM
You people are pathetic talking about a 14 year old kid here.

I personally know the young man and I find it hard to believe that there might be anyone out there that works harder than him. Is it that difficult for you to just tip your cap to him and say great job.

I wish nothing but the best for him as should everyone else.

Keep up the hard work!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 06:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How about the fact that he wrote about/mentioned a kid (Dalton Koponen (D - St. Thomas Aquinas, Fla. / Florida Xtreme)at two events, so either that kid went to two showcases in a row or someone wasn't paying to much attention to what he himself was writing.


Xanders only writes about kids he hears about from club coaches and evaluators. If you want your kid written about have your club coach (not your HS coach, because he only mixes with the clubs) contact him. If your club can't make it within 100 miles of Baltimore in the Summer or Fall or isn't from a brand name club that pays for him to attend their events you can forget about your kid being mentioned. Joke.


Absolutely not true! He wrote about several kids from LI last summer at Showtime and Jake Reed that were not connected to powerful clubs. He is excellent at what he does. Recognizing and describing the best lax players. And if you think that the coaches of the top D1 programs are not talking with and listening to Ty, get your head out of the sand!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 07:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How about the fact that he wrote about/mentioned a kid (Dalton Koponen (D - St. Thomas Aquinas, Fla. / Florida Xtreme)at two events, so either that kid went to two showcases in a row or someone wasn't paying to much attention to what he himself was writing.


Xanders only writes about kids he hears about from club coaches and evaluators. If you want your kid written about have your club coach (not your HS coach, because he only mixes with the clubs) contact him. If your club can't make it within 100 miles of Baltimore in the Summer or Fall or isn't from a brand name club that pays for him to attend their events you can forget about your kid being mentioned. Joke.


Absolutely not true! He wrote about several kids from LI last summer at Showtime and Jake Reed that were not connected to powerful clubs. He is excellent at what he does. Recognizing and describing the best lax players. And if you think that the coaches of the top D1 programs are not talking with and listening to Ty, get your head out of the sand!!


You are so foolish! Or you are Ty's mom!
No d1 coaches put any validity into what he writes. It's media used to generate interest in a website. The only people that it means anything to is you and the kids. D1 coaches at the top schools I know personally, about 4 of them think it's a joke. What are his credentials to evaluate talent? He never even played , but onciously valid credentials mean nothing to you. Yes he's seen lots of games but so has my mother and she isn't qualified to evaluate talent either.
Fact, D1 coaches use their assistants, themselves and a close network of trusted former players and high school and club coaches to recommend and evaluate talent. It's too important. This is their job! That would be like believing that gm's read and listen to Rome's evaluations on players. Your head my friend is not in the sand... It's somewhere far more dangerous. Sorry to let you know his "opinions" and what really amounts to press releases on players mean NOTHING to any respected coaches out there. Just ask them if and when you visit with them! But you believe what you want, clueless. Oh yea and doctors take advise on patients from the stay at home moms that watch the medical channel right? And by the way, both my kids have been written up many times . But we've also seen him write up 2nd string b level players also. So there you go!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 07:49 PM
What happens to the late bloomer? The kid who has a real good stick and has those tools to be successful but are just too small right now? Can I get some feedback on this please?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 08:23 PM
I am quite sure your mother would be a good judge of talent if she has watched as much lacrosse as TY or you or I. It really isn't that hard. You dont have to be an all american or have played at the highest level. You need to understand sport and athletic movements and spacing. And as for the good ole boy network, you don't think they look at these articles, you my friend are living in a fantasyland. (oh yeah, and they don't want to verbal 9th graders either but since there isn't any rule against it why not).

The only thing id say is, I am sure the boys mentioned are on someone's radar. And good for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How about the fact that he wrote about/mentioned a kid (Dalton Koponen (D - St. Thomas Aquinas, Fla. / Florida Xtreme)at two events, so either that kid went to two showcases in a row or someone wasn't paying to much attention to what he himself was writing.


Xanders only writes about kids he hears about from club coaches and evaluators. If you want your kid written about have your club coach (not your HS coach, because he only mixes with the clubs) contact him. If your club can't make it within 100 miles of Baltimore in the Summer or Fall or isn't from a brand name club that pays for him to attend their events you can forget about your kid being mentioned. Joke.


Absolutely not true! He wrote about several kids from LI last summer at Showtime and Jake Reed that were not connected to powerful clubs. He is excellent at what he does. Recognizing and describing the best lax players. And if you think that the coaches of the top D1 programs are not talking with and listening to Ty, get your head out of the sand!!


You are so foolish! Or you are Ty's mom!
No d1 coaches put any validity into what he writes. It's media used to generate interest in a website. The only people that it means anything to is you and the kids. D1 coaches at the top schools I know personally, about 4 of them think it's a joke. What are his credentials to evaluate talent? He never even played , but onciously valid credentials mean nothing to you. Yes he's seen lots of games but so has my mother and she isn't qualified to evaluate talent either.
Fact, D1 coaches use their assistants, themselves and a close network of trusted former players and high school and club coaches to recommend and evaluate talent. It's too important. This is their job! That would be like believing that gm's read and listen to Rome's evaluations on players. Your head my friend is not in the sand... It's somewhere far more dangerous. Sorry to let you know his "opinions" and what really amounts to press releases on players mean NOTHING to any respected coaches out there. Just ask them if and when you visit with them! But you believe what you want, clueless. Oh yea and doctors take advise on patients from the stay at home moms that watch the medical channel right? And by the way, both my kids have been written up many times . But we've also seen him write up 2nd string b level players also. So there you go!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 08:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happens to the late bloomer? The kid who has a real good stick and has those tools to be successful but are just too small right now? Can I get some feedback on this please?
They are just that a late bloomer. What are you looking to hear. He may never bloom. Really there is no right answer. My son is big for his age and hasnt even hit puberty. Is he going to be a giant, dont know. Look at your family. Is your wife tall or husband. Does the family have a few short people its possible thay might be short. It is what it is.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 09:00 PM
Late bloomers get the shaft. He is better then most of the kids but his size right now is hurting him. And by the way the doctors said he should be 5'8" to 5'10". But might not get there till he is 17 or 18. To your giant of a kid who hasn't reached puberty. That is bull.. There were many kids that towered over me in 8th grade and stopped. And big johnnie wasn't the great athlete in high school when other kids caught up. I was talking about the recruiting process. In regards to the kid who grows a little later and misses out on those top tier schools because they like that early bloomer. Oh by the way look at pannell. Late bloomer and now one of the best.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 09:07 PM
Being small doesn't eliminate you from playing D1 Lax. May be harder but there are plenty of smaller success stories:

Jimmy Bitter 5'9, 165 52 points as a sophomore NC
Joey Sankey 5'5 150 56 points as a sophomore NC
Josh Dionne 5'7 185 50 points JR - Duke
Case Matheis 5'8 160 52 points Fr - Duke
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 10:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am quite sure your mother would be a good judge of talent if she has watched as much lacrosse as TY or you or I. It really isn't that hard. You dont have to be an all american or have played at the highest level. You need to understand sport and athletic movements and spacing. And as for the good ole boy network, you don't think they look at these articles, you my friend are living in a fantasyland. (oh yeah, and they don't want to verbal 9th graders either but since there isn't any rule against it why not).

The only thing id say is, I am sure the boys mentioned are on someone's radar. And good for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How about the fact that he wrote about/mentioned a kid (Dalton Koponen (D - St. Thomas Aquinas, Fla. / Florida Xtreme)at two events, so either that kid went to two showcases in a row or someone wasn't paying to much attention to what he himself was writing.


Xanders only writes about kids he hears about from club coaches and evaluators. If you want your kid written about have your club coach (not your HS coach, because he only mixes with the clubs) contact him. If your club can't make it within 100 miles of Baltimore in the Summer or Fall or isn't from a brand name club that pays for him to attend their events you can forget about your kid being mentioned. Joke.


Absolutely not true! He wrote about several kids from LI last summer at Showtime and Jake Reed that were not connected to powerful clubs. He is excellent at what he does. Recognizing and describing the best lax players. And if you think that the coaches of the top D1 programs are not talking with and listening to Ty, get your head out of the sand!!


You are so foolish! Or you are Ty's mom!
No d1 coaches put any validity into what he writes. It's media used to generate interest in a website. The only people that it means anything to is you and the kids. D1 coaches at the top schools I know personally, about 4 of them think it's a joke. What are his credentials to evaluate talent? He never even played , but onciously valid credentials mean nothing to you. Yes he's seen lots of games but so has my mother and she isn't qualified to evaluate talent either.
Fact, D1 coaches use their assistants, themselves and a close network of trusted former players and high school and club coaches to recommend and evaluate talent. It's too important. This is their job! That would be like believing that gm's read and listen to Rome's evaluations on players. Your head my friend is not in the sand... It's somewhere far more dangerous. Sorry to let you know his "opinions" and what really amounts to press releases on players mean NOTHING to any respected coaches out there. Just ask them if and when you visit with them! But you believe what you want, clueless. Oh yea and doctors take advise on patients from the stay at home moms that watch the medical channel right? And by the way, both my kids have been written up many times . But we've also seen him write up 2nd string b level players also. So there you go!


Do you find it at all ironic that the kids that top Ty's lists are all committed to the best schools with probably the best scholarships? There will always be a few that slip past the radar, but you have to admit, that the majority of the kids he writes up and rank excel in HS and beyond. And as for your criticism of his credentials, do you think he really does all of the evaluating? He gets much of input strait from the mouths of the college coaches!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 10:12 PM
Thank u for that post. But when my kid is 5'3 5'4" say in tenth grade does he have a real opportunity to make it? Prob not when there will be an attackman at 5'10" and fully developed. He sees it already and works hard and is on one of the better teams at his age group but I wonder. Those early bloomers do have an advantage.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 10:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You people are pathetic talking about a 14 year old kid here.

I personally know the young man and I find it hard to believe that there might be anyone out there that works harder than him. Is it that difficult for you to just tip your cap to him and say great job.

I wish nothing but the best for him as should everyone else.

Keep up the hard work!!!!!!!!!


Ditto! You belittle what the kid has busted his butt on to accomplish.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/29/14 10:35 PM
Your kids have the next four years to be recruited. They aren't even in HS yet. If they work hard on the field, in the gym, at practice, and most importantly in the classroom (because if the grades aren't there your wasting your time) your son will get a good look.

Please read

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/27/s...ollege-then-starting-9th-grade.html?_r=0
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/30/14 01:10 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You people are pathetic talking about a 14 year old kid here.

I personally know the young man and I find it hard to believe that there might be anyone out there that works harder than him. Is it that difficult for you to just tip your cap to him and say great job.

I wish nothing but the best for him as should everyone else.

Keep up the hard work!!!!!!!!!


Ditto! You belittle what the kid has busted his butt on to accomplish.


Agree, I am not from his town and not from his club but I know who he is and I know that he has put in a lot of time. He one of the best I have seen at 2018.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/30/14 02:05 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thank u for that post. But when my kid is 5'3 5'4" say in tenth grade does he have a real opportunity to make it? Prob not when there will be an attackman at 5'10" and fully developed. He sees it already and works hard and is on one of the better teams at his age group but I wonder. Those early bloomers do have an advantage.


Of course they have an advantage. Just have your son do the best he can. Not everyone needs to play at duke or virginia. If he loves lacrosse and he is good at it, use it to he best of your advantage you can.

There will be tons of people with different advantages, older, bigger, faster, D1 coach as a father, personal training, money for weeks in canada learning box, prep school etc.

Just have your son be the best he can and see how far it takes him.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/30/14 02:09 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thank u for that post. But when my kid is 5'3 5'4" say in tenth grade does he have a real opportunity to make it? Prob not when there will be an attackman at 5'10" and fully developed. He sees it already and works hard and is on one of the better teams at his age group but I wonder. Those early bloomers do have an advantage.


First take a breath. They all don't have to commit in 9th grade. Kids commit later, and do very well. My son played on a strong recruiting team as a rising senior last summer. There were 7 or 8 kids that committed to D1 schools like, Michigan, Yale, Lafayette and Delaware. Others committed to great D3 programs as well. Your son has plenty of time, and the opportunities will be there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/30/14 02:27 AM
I appreciate the feedback. It's frustrating though knowing your son has the ability but his size will hurt him at this age. I was always told u are too small and I went on to play 1AA college football. I was a late bloomer and he is following. And with this recruting process starting so early it makes u a little crazy. Lol. And I have no problem him going to a good div 3 or 2 school.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/30/14 02:41 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I appreciate the feedback. It's frustrating though knowing your son has the ability but his size will hurt him at this age. I was always told u are too small and I went on to play 1AA college football. I was a late bloomer and he is following. And with this recruting process starting so early it makes u a little crazy. Lol. And I have no problem him going to a good div 3 or 2 school.


I get it. Sounds like your son is a good athlete, focus on that. There are many "big kids" who don't move like smaller kids. Their bodies take time to catch up with their size. That's frustrating too. There are kids who are great athletes, but despite hard work can't break a B in the classroom. Every kid has challenges. As my Mom always said "go with what you've got"!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/30/14 02:44 AM
Awesome kid, unbelievable player. Very well deserved hardest working kid I know. My son has played with him since the 5 the grade. Deserves all the kudos
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/30/14 01:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Awesome kid, unbelievable player. Very well deserved hardest working kid I know. My son has played with him since the 5 the grade. Deserves all the kudos

This child is one of the top players for 2018 and deserves the kudos. The buzz is more about the quality of the reporting. At a minimum it was biased by reputation and outside inputs. The simple math shows that the reporter would have only had a snapshot of all the players he listed. I would question wether Ty asked " who is the kid wearing numer xxx?" or " What number is ( kids name) wearing?"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/30/14 02:50 PM
It is not that complicated. He watches some games/practices and more importantly, he talks to the 3D evaluators who watch every game. He may choose to acknowledge kids based on his own evaluation, but he is informed of who to watch from the 3D evaluators and coaches. This, of course, would be what any reporter/blogger would do -- listen to many sources and report an opinion.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/30/14 02:54 PM
Great kid. I know the kid trains 8 days a week. Before school after school nights kid is always working at getting better. Athlete Zone training. That is his second home. Congrats on the write up and keep up the hard work.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/30/14 03:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Awesome kid, unbelievable player. Very well deserved hardest working kid I know. My son has played with him since the 5 the grade. Deserves all the kudos

This child is one of the top players for 2018 and deserves the kudos. The buzz is more about the quality of the reporting. At a minimum it was biased by reputation and outside inputs. The simple math shows that the reporter would have only had a snapshot of all the players he listed. I would question wether Ty asked " who is the kid wearing numer xxx?" or " What number is ( kids name) wearing?"


What's wrong with the reporting? Was your son not written up? I bet there would be a lot less whining if there were more LI kids identified as standouts! Kuttin was written up because he is a standout, the others just didn't make as much of an impression. Don't be upset, the kids are only in eighth grade. they have at least 2 more years to get noticed! Good luck
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/30/14 05:40 PM
Everyone needs to just relax. A blogger wrote about a few players at a showcase event. He couldn't write about everyone and picked a few from different positions. This was a very tough region probably the toughest of all the 3DBC regions. To be mentioned in the main body is a nice accomplishment and then to be in the honorable mention area is also great. Why must parents take it to the level where they bash kids. My son was there played very well wasn't mentioned but I couldn't be happier for the Kuttin family and all the other Long Island boys mentioned. It was a great event my son will do it again. Thought the coaching was great and the overall talent was exceptional. It was a great barometer to see how your child played when placed in a new team style concept. Most of the boys from Long Island play on the same teams or play against each other. Amazing as it sounds they were all friends before and will be friends after this event. My son commented how nice the players from Dukes, Patriots, Building Blocks and other teams were. Parents just get over the petty b.s. you construe in your own heads. Let the boys have fun being kids and playing the game they love.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/30/14 06:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone needs to just relax. A blogger wrote about a few players at a showcase event. He couldn't write about everyone and picked a few from different positions. This was a very tough region probably the toughest of all the 3DBC regions. To be mentioned in the main body is a nice accomplishment and then to be in the honorable mention area is also great. Why must parents take it to the level where they bash kids. My son was there played very well wasn't mentioned but I couldn't be happier for the Kuttin family and all the other Long Island boys mentioned. It was a great event my son will do it again. Thought the coaching was great and the overall talent was exceptional. It was a great barometer to see how your child played when placed in a new team style concept. Most of the boys from Long Island play on the same teams or play against each other. Amazing as it sounds they were all friends before and will be friends after this event. My son commented how nice the players from Dukes, Patriots, Building Blocks and other teams were. Parents just get over the petty b.s. you construe in your own heads. Let the boys have fun being kids and playing the game they love.


Nice post. It is so true how they all are friends. My older son has attended several of these showcases. He has developed frienships from all over the country, they all chat constantly. They support each other and congratulate each other on their commitments. Lacrosse players belong to a true brotherhood. They parents are way more anxious and competitive than the kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/30/14 08:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone needs to just relax. A blogger wrote about a few players at a showcase event. He couldn't write about everyone and picked a few from different positions. This was a very tough region probably the toughest of all the 3DBC regions. To be mentioned in the main body is a nice accomplishment and then to be in the honorable mention area is also great. Why must parents take it to the level where they bash kids. My son was there played very well wasn't mentioned but I couldn't be happier for the Kuttin family and all the other Long Island boys mentioned. It was a great event my son will do it again. Thought the coaching was great and the overall talent was exceptional. It was a great barometer to see how your child played when placed in a new team style concept. Most of the boys from Long Island play on the same teams or play against each other. Amazing as it sounds they were all friends before and will be friends after this event. My son commented how nice the players from Dukes, Patriots, Building Blocks and other teams were. Parents just get over the petty b.s. you construe in your own heads. Let the boys have fun being kids and playing the game they love.


Nice post. It is so true how they all are friends. My older son has attended several of these showcases. He has developed frienships from all over the country, they all chat constantly. They support each other and congratulate each other on their commitments. Lacrosse players belong to a true brotherhood. They parents are way more anxious and competitive than the kids.


Well this weekend is the final 3d Blue Chip, East Coast, then they should start finalizing the 120 invites. Good luck to all the 2018 kids who tried out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/31/14 05:14 PM
need some help here - Inside Lacrosse seems to have taken down the link to all of Mr Zanders recruiting blogs - has it moved or is it gone?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/31/14 06:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
need some help here - Inside Lacrosse seems to have taken down the link to all of Mr Zanders recruiting blogs - has it moved or is it gone?


No they didn't, http://www.insidelacrosse.com/news/...e-chip-tryout-recap-mid-atlantic-region.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 01/31/14 09:42 PM
it seems to be gone from the drop down tab under recruiting - also it does not come up when you do a search for Ty Xanders" lots of articles but none of the camp stuff
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/01/14 02:43 AM
Just posted this on the 2017 site and thought you would be interested. Re: early recruiting for 2017 class.

Another 2017 kid just commited. This time a middie from FCA and Calvert Hall to Ohio State. According to Inside Lacrosse, that now makes 32 "public" commits. UNC (8), UVA (7), Johns Hopkins (7) classes close to being filled up, Maryland has 4. How many more commits to you think are outr there (meaning actual verbals) that have not gone public yet? 10/20/30? This is happening very quickly, admittedly a decent percentage of the 32 have re-classified into the 2017 class (e.g., were 2016s), but that is still a lot. Nothing slowing this early commit thing down apparently.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/01/14 04:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
it seems to be gone from the drop down tab under recruiting - also it does not come up when you do a search for Ty Xanders" lots of articles but none of the camp stuff


search 3d blue chip
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/02/14 12:27 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just posted this on the 2017 site and thought you would be interested. Re: early recruiting for 2017 class.

Another 2017 kid just commited. This time a middie from FCA and Calvert Hall to Ohio State. According to Inside Lacrosse, that now makes 32 "public" commits. UNC (8), UVA (7), Johns Hopkins (7) classes close to being filled up, Maryland has 4. How many more commits to you think are outr there (meaning actual verbals) that have not gone public yet? 10/20/30? This is happening very quickly, admittedly a decent percentage of the 32 have re-classified into the 2017 class (e.g., were 2016s), but that is still a lot. Nothing slowing this early commit thing down apparently.


Apparently this is another holdback ... should be class of 2016, with an early 1998 birthday.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/02/14 10:29 PM
Just got word that a 2018 will announce his commitment shortly. Not a joke!! I guess this is going as predicted! Crazy!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/03/14 01:49 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got word that a 2018 will announce his commitment shortly. Not a joke!! I guess this is going as predicted! Crazy!


u r crazy!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/03/14 12:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got word that a 2018 will announce his commitment shortly. Not a joke!! I guess this is going as predicted! Crazy!


St A's or Cham?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/03/14 01:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got word that a 2018 will announce his commitment shortly. Not a joke!! I guess this is going as predicted! Crazy!


St A's or Cham?


Would not surprise me, it's the way things are going. I thought it would have happened next year for and 8th grader. Looks like the runaway train is showing no signs of stopping...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/03/14 02:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got word that a 2018 will announce his commitment shortly. Not a joke!! I guess this is going as predicted! Crazy!


St A's or Cham?



Neither. they would still be in middle school!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/03/14 04:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got word that a 2018 will announce his commitment shortly. Not a joke!! I guess this is going as predicted! Crazy!


St A's or Cham?



Neither. they would still be in middle school!!!


That joke was lost on some I see. Since he is only in Middle school his committing should only be to what High school he goes to, not college.

It would be interested to see with this trend of younger commits do they stay home or go to the privates??

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/03/14 05:06 PM
Now that the committing time to the privates is upon us. I am interetsed to see a few things?

[list]
[*] Which school got the top players.


[list]
[*]with the 2018 class headed to high school how many 91 Express boys going to Cham or St A's
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/03/14 05:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got word that a 2018 will announce his commitment shortly. Not a joke!! I guess this is going as predicted! Crazy!


St A's or Cham?


Would not surprise me, it's the way things are going. I thought it would have happened next year for and 8th grader. Looks like the runaway train is showing no signs of stopping...


Next year a 7th grader
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/03/14 07:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got word that a 2018 will announce his commitment shortly. Not a joke!! I guess this is going as predicted! Crazy!


St A's or Cham?



Neither. they would still be in middle school!!!


That joke was lost on some I see. Since he is only in Middle school his committing should only be to what High school he goes to, not college.

It would be interested to see with this trend of younger commits do they stay home or go to the privates??



the only persons getting committed should be the parents on this board.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/03/14 07:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got word that a 2018 will announce his commitment shortly. Not a joke!! I guess this is going as predicted! Crazy!


St A's or Cham?



Neither. they would still be in middle school!!!


That joke was lost on some I see. Since he is only in Middle school his committing should only be to what High school he goes to, not college.

It would be interested to see with this trend of younger commits do they stay home or go to the privates??



Thank you, I will try to keep subtlety to a minimum going forward -
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/03/14 08:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any other LI boys that impressed? Goalies or D?



Were not too many LI players there. Mostly New England and a lot of MD/DC. Crabs and Madlax defenseman very strong. Jesters goalie played real well! Made some crazy saves.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/03/14 10:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got word that a 2018 will announce his commitment shortly. Not a joke!! I guess this is going as predicted! Crazy!


St A's or Cham?



Neither. they would still be in middle school!!!


That joke was lost on some I see. Since he is only in Middle school his committing should only be to what High school he goes to, not college.

It would be interested to see with this trend of younger commits do they stay home or go to the privates??

that was funny. But true.

the only persons getting committed should be the parents on this board.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/04/14 12:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any other LI boys that impressed? Goalies or D?



Were not too many LI players there. Mostly New England and a lot of MD/DC. Crabs and Madlax defenseman very strong. Jesters goalie played real well! Made some crazy saves.

Jesters goalie parent 3D evaluators doesn't read this.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/04/14 12:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any other LI boys that impressed? Goalies or D?



Were not too many LI players there. Mostly New England and a lot of MD/DC. Crabs and Madlax defenseman very strong. Jesters goalie played real well! Made some crazy saves.

Jesters goalie parent 3D evaluators doesn't read this.


Actually, some of us do...and don't think college coaches don't take a peek...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/04/14 03:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any other LI boys that impressed? Goalies or D?



Were not too many LI players there. Mostly New England and a lot of MD/DC. Crabs and Madlax defenseman very strong. Jesters goalie played real well! Made some crazy saves.

Jesters goalie parent 3D evaluators doesn't read this.


Actually, some of us do...and don't think college coaches don't take a peek...


Well then if thats the case here are my sons stats: He is 6'3 weighs 195 runs a 4.3 40 yard has a verticle of 45. His AI is off the charts. He lit it up at the 2018 Mid Atlantic Region and can play any position equally as well as the best player at that postion. I will be accepting college offers when he turns 13 my email is inyourdreams@aol.com

If any college coaches and evaluators rely on the BS thats written here their teams are in trouble.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/04/14 06:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any other LI boys that impressed? Goalies or D?



Were not too many LI players there. Mostly New England and a lot of MD/DC. Crabs and Madlax defenseman very strong. Jesters goalie played real well! Made some crazy saves.

Jesters goalie parent 3D evaluators doesn't read this.


Actually, some of us do...and don't think college coaches don't take a peek...


Well then if thats the case here are my sons stats: He is 6'3 weighs 195 runs a 4.3 40 yard has a verticle of 45. His AI is off the charts. He lit it up at the 2018 Mid Atlantic Region and can play any position equally as well as the best player at that postion. I will be accepting college offers when he turns 13 my email is inyourdreams@aol.com

If any college coaches and evaluators rely on the BS thats written here their teams are in trouble.


Wow. Lot of free time?

If someone says something positive about someone who's not on 91 it must be his mom?!
The people who were there saw who played well and I am confident 3D evaluators did as well. Be happy for all the boys that went out and played hard.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/04/14 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any other LI boys that impressed? Goalies or D?



Were not too many LI players there. Mostly New England and a lot of MD/DC. Crabs and Madlax defenseman very strong. Jesters goalie played real well! Made some crazy saves.

Jesters goalie parent 3D evaluators doesn't read this.


Actually, some of us do...and don't think college coaches don't take a peek...


Well then if thats the case here are my sons stats: He is 6'3 weighs 195 runs a 4.3 40 yard has a verticle of 45. His AI is off the charts. He lit it up at the 2018 Mid Atlantic Region and can play any position equally as well as the best player at that postion. I will be accepting college offers when he turns 13 my email is inyourdreams@aol.com

If any college coaches and evaluators rely on the BS thats written here their teams are in trouble.


Wow. Lot of free time?

If someone says something positive about someone who's not on 91 it must be his mom?!
The people who were there saw who played well and I am confident 3D evaluators did as well. Be happy for all the boys that went out and played hard.


I was there. Kid played well. As did other Jester players, Express and Team LI players. Best to all the LI kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/05/14 12:15 AM
Its so funny that a goalie from next level a MD team was mentioned today in the 2018 north east region of 3D write up or players to watch but he also played in last years 2017 group. TY states hes big for his age and fills up the net. Of course he's big he's probably 15. Another reclassification kid taking the spot of a true 2018.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/05/14 12:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its so funny that a goalie from next level a MD team was mentioned today in the 2018 north east region of 3D write up or players to watch but he also played in last years 2017 group. TY states hes big for his age and fills up the net. Of course he's big he's probably 15. Another reclassification kid taking the spot of a true 2018.

Actually south region not northeast.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/05/14 11:28 PM
heard a few xtreme players are heading to Chaminade any idea who?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/06/14 06:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now that the committing time to the privates is upon us. I am interetsed to see a few things?

[list]
[*] Which school got the top players.


[list]
[*]with the 2018 class headed to high school how many 91 Express boys going to Cham or St A's


The top boys mostly will go to one of these 2 schools. Not too many top college commitments come from many other schools on LI. Maybe GC, Manhasset, Smithtown. If you;re not in these districts, and you have a chance at top college, most likely you're going to St. A or Cham.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/06/14 06:49 PM
That's a ridiculous, silly statement. PLENTY of other High Schools on Long Island send kids to the top Div. 1 lacrosse schools. Just look at the list of commitments in the 2016 and 2017 classes. Pequa, Melville, West Islip, Sachem, Northport, CSH, Syosset etc.

Just because Channy tells everyone on his Express teams that, doesn't make it true.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/06/14 06:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now that the committing time to the privates is upon us. I am interetsed to see a few things?

[list]
[*] Which school got the top players.


[list]
[*]with the 2018 class headed to high school how many 91 Express boys going to Cham or St A's


The top boys mostly will go to one of these 2 schools. Not too many top college commitments come from many other schools on LI. Maybe GC, Manhasset, Smithtown. If you;re not in these districts, and you have a chance at top college, most likely you're going to St. A or Cham.


Ward Melvile??? No need to go private, plenty of great commitments coming from public schools!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/06/14 06:53 PM
Lot's of top kids don't go to St A or Chammy, many good lax schools on li...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/06/14 08:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

The top boys mostly will go to one of these 2 schools. Not too many top college commitments come from many other schools on LI. Maybe GC, Manhasset, Smithtown. If you;re not in these districts, and you have a chance at top college, most likely you're going to St. A or Cham.


I am going to have a tough conversation with my 8th grader tonight, not going to Cham, St A, GC, Man or Smithtown so D1 dream is unrealistic. I wonder Why Ward Melville, Massapegua, Syosset, West Islip, Cold Spring Harbor, Farmingdale and the others even bother fielding a team?

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/06/14 08:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

The top boys mostly will go to one of these 2 schools. Not too many top college commitments come from many other schools on LI. Maybe GC, Manhasset, Smithtown. If you;re not in these districts, and you have a chance at top college, most likely you're going to St. A or Cham.


I am going to have a tough conversation with my 8th grader tonight, not going to Cham, St A, GC, Man or Smithtown so D1 dream is unrealistic. I wonder Why Ward Melville, Massapegua, Syosset, West Islip, Cold Spring Harbor, Farmingdale and the others even bother fielding a team?


Just because somebody makes a silly statement - better to ignore. ~ 14% of Long Island HS lax players - play D1. And I believe the highest ranked recruit came from SWR last year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/06/14 09:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now that the committing time to the privates is upon us. I am interetsed to see a few things?

[list]
[*] Which school got the top players.


[list]
[*]with the 2018 class headed to high school how many 91 Express boys going to Cham or St A's


The top boys mostly will go to one of these 2 schools. Not too many top college commitments come from many other schools on LI. Maybe GC, Manhasset, Smithtown. If you;re not in these districts, and you have a chance at top college, most likely you're going to St. A or Cham.


Ward Melvile??? No need to go private, plenty of great commitments coming from public schools!


Ward Melville maybe not so public. See the following

- "Danowski really knows how to mine Long Island for talent.Talented lacrosse players but great students as well.A testament to the quality of the lacrosse programs and academic rigor at many L.I. high schools.I did notice that Bruckner is from Belle Terre.I thought folks who live in BT went to Port Jefferson HS.He went to WM.Puzzling?????" -

Maybe we can call WM simi-private.

Just be thankful that WI didn't bring in any ringers last year or the run would not have ended.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/06/14 11:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

The top boys mostly will go to one of these 2 schools. Not too many top college commitments come from many other schools on LI. Maybe GC, Manhasset, Smithtown. If you;re not in these districts, and you have a chance at top college, most likely you're going to St. A or Cham.


I am going to have a tough conversation with my 8th grader tonight, not going to Cham, St A, GC, Man or Smithtown so D1 dream is unrealistic. I wonder Why Ward Melville, Massapegua, Syosset, West Islip, Cold Spring Harbor, Farmingdale and the others even bother fielding a team?


Just because somebody makes a silly statement - better to ignore. ~ 14% of Long Island HS lax players - play D1. And I believe the highest ranked recruit came from SWR last year.


I totally agree. The statment was without merit, but you misinterpreted the statistic.
Of the present D1 freshman class 14% are from Long Island.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/07/14 03:12 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lot's of top kids don't go to St A or Chammy, many good lax schools on li...


Wonder if there are still any hard feelings about that split to 91 a few years back.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/07/14 01:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's a ridiculous, silly statement. PLENTY of other High Schools on Long Island send kids to the top Div. 1 lacrosse schools. Just look at the list of commitments in the 2016 and 2017 classes. Pequa, Melville, West Islip, Sachem, Northport, CSH, Syosset etc.


I do not believe any Ward Melville 2016's or 2017's have committed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/07/14 01:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lot's of top kids don't go to St A or Chammy, many good lax schools on li...


Wonder if there are still any hard feelings about that split to 91 a few years back.


News flash. We don't send our kids to those schools for lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/07/14 03:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lot's of top kids don't go to St A or Chammy, many good lax schools on li...


Wonder if there are still any hard feelings about that split to 91 a few years back.


News flash. We don't send our kids to those schools for lacrosse.


News Flash.....YES YOU DO!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/07/14 08:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lot's of top kids don't go to St A or Chammy, many good lax schools on li...


Wonder if there are still any hard feelings about that split to 91 a few years back.


News flash. We don't send our kids to those schools for lacrosse.


News Flash.....YES YOU DO!!!


It is called education through faith. Obviously foreign to you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/07/14 08:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lot's of top kids don't go to St A or Chammy, many good lax schools on li...


Wonder if there are still any hard feelings about that split to 91 a few years back.


News flash. We don't send our kids to those schools for lacrosse.


News Flash.....YES YOU DO!!!


It is called education through faith. Obviously foreign to you.



Obviously your son is not a “top player”…
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/07/14 09:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lot's of top kids don't go to St A or Chammy, many good lax schools on li...


Wonder if there are still any hard feelings about that split to 91 a few years back.


News flash. We don't send our kids to those schools for lacrosse.


News Flash.....YES YOU DO!!!


It is called education through faith. Obviously foreign to you.



Obviously your son is not a “top player”…



My neighbors son attended Chaminade and was not a top player. Made varsity but not much game time so he eventually walked away from the lacrosse team and focused on his academics. Guess what. He got 120K in academic scholarship money from his top tier college. Maybe your top player will get half that amount from Post if lucky.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/08/14 02:07 PM
What towns have produced the "best" college players over the last 10 years?

Does anyone want to take a shot at this?

Looking to see if there is a town that is producing kids that "stand out" at the D-1 level.

All American, All Conference or North South honors.

Towns that come to mind are:

Garden City
Manhasset
West Islip
Cold Spring Harbor
Smithtown
Syosset
Massapequa

I think that Chaminade and St Anthony's have put out the most but what towns are the players from?


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/08/14 03:13 PM
Farmingdale also
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/08/14 03:38 PM
Correct. So better prepped for life, than just a "top player" in the 8th grade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/08/14 03:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Farmingdale also


Who are the players from Farmingdale?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/08/14 04:28 PM
Coach K, (Express 2022 Minutemen) was LSM of the year at UMASS.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/08/14 04:31 PM
Daler Nation All Americans

1975 MIKE CHANENCHUK MIDFIELD SENIOR
1976 MICHAEL SCIBELLI DEFENSE SENIOR
1977 FRANK AMBROSIO GOAL SENIOR
1978 RAY GIUSTO MIDFIELD SENIOR
1978 ROB STAUGAITIS ATTACK SENIOR
1980 BILL NASLONSKI ATTACK SENIOR
1981 JOHN KRUMENACKER ATTACK SENIOR
1982 JOHN DETOMMASO DEFENSE SENIOR
1983 BRUCE CHANENCHUK ATTACK SENIOR
1984 JOE RZEMPOLUCH MIDFIELD SENIOR
1985 JAMES DETOMMASO DEFENSE SENIOR
1985 JEFF IHM ATTACK SENIOR
1986 BRIAN FORESTA ATTACK SENIOR
1987 JIM NASLONSKI ATTACK JUNIOR
1988 JIM NASLONKSI ATTACK SENIOR
1988 JIM STRUB MIDFIELD SENIOR
1989 STEVE MCMAHON DEFENSE SENIOR
1991 DENNIS KELLY DEFENSE SENIOR
1992 BRIAN BASCO MIDFIELD SENIOR
1992 TODD KEARNEY DEFENSE SENIOR
1993 ANTHONY TUFANO GOAL SENIOR
1995 ROB MULLIGAN GOAL JUNIOR
1997 CHRIS GABRIELLI DEFENSE SENIOR
1999 KEVIN BRENNAN ATTACK SENIOR
1999 BRIAN ZUCHELLI DEFENSE SENIOR
2001 MATT DANOWKSI ATTACK SOPHOMORE
2002 MATT DANOWSKI ATTACK JUNIOR
2002 STEVE PANARELLI DEFENSE JUNIOR
2003 MATT DANOWKSI ATTACK SENIOR
2003 JONATHAN ENGELKE ATTACK SENIOR
2003 STEVE PANARELLI DEFENSE SENIOR
2003 WILL PRESTI DEFENSE SENIOR
2008 KEENAN OCHWAT DEFENSE SENIOR

HONORABLE MENTION ALL AMERICANS

1998 KEVIN BRENNAN MIDFIELD JUNIOR
2003 JERRY LAMBE DEFENSE SENIOR
2003 DANNY BRENNAN MIDFIELD SENIOR
2004 JOE ZUCCHERO DEFENSE SENIOR
2005 RYAN BAGNASCO ATTACK SENIOR
2007 KEENAN OCHWAT DEFENSE JUNIOR
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/08/14 04:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What towns have produced the "best" college players over the last 10 years?

Does anyone want to take a shot at this?

Looking to see if there is a town that is producing kids that "stand out" at the D-1 level.

All American, All Conference or North South honors.

Towns that come to mind are:

Garden City
Manhasset
West Islip
Cold Spring Harbor
Smithtown
Syosset
Massapequa

I think that Chaminade and St Anthony's have put out the most but what towns are the players from?




Huntington should also be on the list.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/08/14 04:45 PM
Other than Danowski and about 6 others in '03 , recently they've had kids go to Ohio st , Towson , Loyola , Hofstra , Penn St , Sacred Heart That's within the last 5 years , off the top of my head.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/08/14 05:02 PM
Was looking for recent (last 5 - 10 years) and not just kids that played in college.

just wanted to see if any town has had more D1 standouts than the rest of the towns on Long Island. We all know that Long Island puts out a lot of players and that they come from many different towns. The question was:

What Towns have been producing kids that go on to become the best college players. Looking for kids All American, All Conference, North South honors in recent years 5 to 10 years.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/08/14 05:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Daler Nation All Americans

1975 MIKE CHANENCHUK MIDFIELD SENIOR
1976 MICHAEL SCIBELLI DEFENSE SENIOR
1977 FRANK AMBROSIO GOAL SENIOR
1978 RAY GIUSTO MIDFIELD SENIOR
1978 ROB STAUGAITIS ATTACK SENIOR
1980 BILL NASLONSKI ATTACK SENIOR
1981 JOHN KRUMENACKER ATTACK SENIOR
1982 JOHN DETOMMASO DEFENSE SENIOR
1983 BRUCE CHANENCHUK ATTACK SENIOR
1984 JOE RZEMPOLUCH MIDFIELD SENIOR
1985 JAMES DETOMMASO DEFENSE SENIOR
1985 JEFF IHM ATTACK SENIOR
1986 BRIAN FORESTA ATTACK SENIOR
1987 JIM NASLONSKI ATTACK JUNIOR
1988 JIM NASLONKSI ATTACK SENIOR
1988 JIM STRUB MIDFIELD SENIOR
1989 STEVE MCMAHON DEFENSE SENIOR
1991 DENNIS KELLY DEFENSE SENIOR
1992 BRIAN BASCO MIDFIELD SENIOR
1992 TODD KEARNEY DEFENSE SENIOR
1993 ANTHONY TUFANO GOAL SENIOR
1995 ROB MULLIGAN GOAL JUNIOR
1997 CHRIS GABRIELLI DEFENSE SENIOR
1999 KEVIN BRENNAN ATTACK SENIOR
1999 BRIAN ZUCHELLI DEFENSE SENIOR
2001 MATT DANOWKSI ATTACK SOPHOMORE
2002 MATT DANOWSKI ATTACK JUNIOR
2002 STEVE PANARELLI DEFENSE JUNIOR
2003 MATT DANOWKSI ATTACK SENIOR
2003 JONATHAN ENGELKE ATTACK SENIOR
2003 STEVE PANARELLI DEFENSE SENIOR
2003 WILL PRESTI DEFENSE SENIOR
2008 KEENAN OCHWAT DEFENSE SENIOR

HONORABLE MENTION ALL AMERICANS

1998 KEVIN BRENNAN MIDFIELD JUNIOR
2003 JERRY LAMBE DEFENSE SENIOR
2003 DANNY BRENNAN MIDFIELD SENIOR
2004 JOE ZUCCHERO DEFENSE SENIOR
2005 RYAN BAGNASCO ATTACK SENIOR
2007 KEENAN OCHWAT DEFENSE JUNIOR


Great list but looking for recent 5 - 10 years (college D-1 All Americans).
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/08/14 06:59 PM
One All American from the LI Catholics last year. And he scored his first NCAA goal today.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/08/14 07:35 PM
Frocaros from Port Washington at Princeton pretty good players in college and have received nice honors over the years.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/08/14 09:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
One All American from the LI Catholics last year. And he scored his first NCAA goal today.


go for it, try and spell his name.....and I don't mean Ryan
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/09/14 02:56 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What towns have produced the "best" college players over the last 10 years?

Does anyone want to take a shot at this?

Looking to see if there is a town that is producing kids that "stand out" at the D-1 level.

All American, All Conference or North South honors.

Towns that come to mind are:

Garden City
Manhasset
West Islip
Cold Spring Harbor
Smithtown
Syosset
Massapequa

I think that Chaminade and St Anthony's have put out the most but what towns are the players from?

West Islip has had a few AA's in D-1 since 2004. Justin Turri -Duke 2011, 2012 honorable Mention, Ryan Flanagan- N.Carolina 2011,2010,2009, Nick Galasso - N.Carolina 2011, Brian Caufield-Albany 2009 (HM). Christian Scuderi-Hofstra 2009 (HM) also D2 AA at NYIT in 2007,2008. A few more D2 AA's were Albert Maione-Molloy 2009, Matt Sullivan-NYIT 2010, Eddie Plompen- CW Post 2011. Turri, Flanagan,Caufield, Maione and Scuderi all play or played in MLL. Andrew Hodgson-Towson was All-CAA in 2013 and is presently a senior. Ian Braddish - Hofstra was 1st team All-CAA in 2011. Mike Sagl-Quinnipiac was 2nd team All-NEC in 2013. Drew Federico-Fairfield was All-ECAC rookie in 2012 as was Bryan Badalato at Sacred Heart, presently at Marquette. Pete Mezzanotte-Towson was USILA North-South All-Star in 2011 and currently plays for Denver Outlaws in MLL. That is all I can think of now, I may have missed somebody. there will be others.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/09/14 11:40 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
One All American from the LI Catholics last year. And he scored his first NCAA goal today.


go for it, try and spell his name.....and I don't mean Ryan


Sorry I graduated from public school - cant do it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/09/14 03:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What towns have produced the "best" college players over the last 10 years?

Does anyone want to take a shot at this?

Looking to see if there is a town that is producing kids that "stand out" at the D-1 level.

All American, All Conference or North South honors.

Towns that come to mind are:

Garden City
Manhasset
West Islip
Cold Spring Harbor
Smithtown
Syosset
Massapequa

I think that Chaminade and St Anthony's have put out the most but what towns are the players from?

West Islip has had a few AA's in D-1 since 2004. Justin Turri -Duke 2011, 2012 honorable Mention, Ryan Flanagan- N.Carolina 2011,2010,2009, Nick Galasso - N.Carolina 2011, Brian Caufield-Albany 2009 (HM). Christian Scuderi-Hofstra 2009 (HM) also D2 AA at NYIT in 2007,2008. A few more D2 AA's were Albert Maione-Molloy 2009, Matt Sullivan-NYIT 2010, Eddie Plompen- CW Post 2011. Turri, Flanagan,Caufield, Maione and Scuderi all play or played in MLL. Andrew Hodgson-Towson was All-CAA in 2013 and is presently a senior. Ian Braddish - Hofstra was 1st team All-CAA in 2011. Mike Sagl-Quinnipiac was 2nd team All-NEC in 2013. Drew Federico-Fairfield was All-ECAC rookie in 2012 as was Bryan Badalato at Sacred Heart, presently at Marquette. Pete Mezzanotte-Towson was USILA North-South All-Star in 2011 and currently plays for Denver Outlaws in MLL. That is all I can think of now, I may have missed somebody. there will be others.


Thank you West Islip.

5 D1 All Americans

4 D1 All Conference

1 North South player.

That is an impressive list. What other towns have produced high caliber D1 players?

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/09/14 04:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What towns have produced the "best" college players over the last 10 years?

Does anyone want to take a shot at this?

Looking to see if there is a town that is producing kids that "stand out" at the D-1 level.

All American, All Conference or North South honors.

Towns that come to mind are:

Garden City
Manhasset
West Islip
Cold Spring Harbor
Smithtown
Syosset
Massapequa

I think that Chaminade and St Anthony's have put out the most but what towns are the players from?

West Islip has had a few AA's in D-1 since 2004. Justin Turri -Duke 2011, 2012 honorable Mention, Ryan Flanagan- N.Carolina 2011,2010,2009, Nick Galasso - N.Carolina 2011, Brian Caufield-Albany 2009 (HM). Christian Scuderi-Hofstra 2009 (HM) also D2 AA at NYIT in 2007,2008. A few more D2 AA's were Albert Maione-Molloy 2009, Matt Sullivan-NYIT 2010, Eddie Plompen- CW Post 2011. Turri, Flanagan,Caufield, Maione and Scuderi all play or played in MLL. Andrew Hodgson-Towson was All-CAA in 2013 and is presently a senior. Ian Braddish - Hofstra was 1st team All-CAA in 2011. Mike Sagl-Quinnipiac was 2nd team All-NEC in 2013. Drew Federico-Fairfield was All-ECAC rookie in 2012 as was Bryan Badalato at Sacred Heart, presently at Marquette. Pete Mezzanotte-Towson was USILA North-South All-Star in 2011 and currently plays for Denver Outlaws in MLL. That is all I can think of now, I may have missed somebody. there will be others.


Thank you West Islip.

5 D1 All Americans

4 D1 All Conference

1 North South player.

That is an impressive list. What other towns have produced high caliber D1 players?



Pretty good evidence that proved something we all knew. Talent comes from everywhere on the island. So no need to go to one of the LI Catholics for lax - like it was suggested.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/09/14 04:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What towns have produced the "best" college players over the last 10 years?

Does anyone want to take a shot at this?

Looking to see if there is a town that is producing kids that "stand out" at the D-1 level.

All American, All Conference or North South honors.

Towns that come to mind are:

Garden City
Manhasset
West Islip
Cold Spring Harbor
Smithtown
Syosset
Massapequa

I think that Chaminade and St Anthony's have put out the most but what towns are the players from?

West Islip has had a few AA's in D-1 since 2004. Justin Turri -Duke 2011, 2012 honorable Mention, Ryan Flanagan- N.Carolina 2011,2010,2009, Nick Galasso - N.Carolina 2011, Brian Caufield-Albany 2009 (HM). Christian Scuderi-Hofstra 2009 (HM) also D2 AA at NYIT in 2007,2008. A few more D2 AA's were Albert Maione-Molloy 2009, Matt Sullivan-NYIT 2010, Eddie Plompen- CW Post 2011. Turri, Flanagan,Caufield, Maione and Scuderi all play or played in MLL. Andrew Hodgson-Towson was All-CAA in 2013 and is presently a senior. Ian Braddish - Hofstra was 1st team All-CAA in 2011. Mike Sagl-Quinnipiac was 2nd team All-NEC in 2013. Drew Federico-Fairfield was All-ECAC rookie in 2012 as was Bryan Badalato at Sacred Heart, presently at Marquette. Pete Mezzanotte-Towson was USILA North-South All-Star in 2011 and currently plays for Denver Outlaws in MLL. That is all I can think of now, I may have missed somebody. there will be others.


Thank you West Islip.

5 D1 All Americans

4 D1 All Conference

1 North South player.

That is an impressive list. What other towns have produced high caliber D1 players?



Pretty good evidence that proved something we all knew. Talent comes from everywhere on the island. So no need to go to one of the LI Catholics for lax - like it was suggested.


Please leave your hate at the door. I was just trying to see if any "town" was outproducing the others with respect to "Top Performing" D-1 players.

The best players do not always come from the best HS teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/09/14 05:43 PM
I forgot West Islip's Mike McCormick was 2nd team All-Ivy defenseman at Yale in 2012.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/09/14 07:43 PM
So far it looks like West Islip is the town with the most kids who have gone on to be the "best of the best" at the D1 level.

5 D-1 All Americans

5 D-1 All Conference

1 North South Game

All in recent years.

Come on, I know that some of the other towns have also produced some top players. Garden City, Huntington, Manhasset, Syosset, Massapequa, Farmingdale ???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/09/14 07:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What towns have produced the "best" college players over the last 10 years?

Does anyone want to take a shot at this?

Looking to see if there is a town that is producing kids that "stand out" at the D-1 level.

All American, All Conference or North South honors.

Towns that come to mind are:

Garden City
Manhasset
West Islip
Cold Spring Harbor
Smithtown
Syosset
Massapequa

I think that Chaminade and St Anthony's have put out the most but what towns are the players from?

West Islip has had a few AA's in D-1 since 2004. Justin Turri -Duke 2011, 2012 honorable Mention, Ryan Flanagan- N.Carolina 2011,2010,2009, Nick Galasso - N.Carolina 2011, Brian Caufield-Albany 2009 (HM). Christian Scuderi-Hofstra 2009 (HM) also D2 AA at NYIT in 2007,2008. A few more D2 AA's were Albert Maione-Molloy 2009, Matt Sullivan-NYIT 2010, Eddie Plompen- CW Post 2011. Turri, Flanagan,Caufield, Maione and Scuderi all play or played in MLL. Andrew Hodgson-Towson was All-CAA in 2013 and is presently a senior. Ian Braddish - Hofstra was 1st team All-CAA in 2011. Mike Sagl-Quinnipiac was 2nd team All-NEC in 2013. Drew Federico-Fairfield was All-ECAC rookie in 2012 as was Bryan Badalato at Sacred Heart, presently at Marquette. Pete Mezzanotte-Towson was USILA North-South All-Star in 2011 and currently plays for Denver Outlaws in MLL. That is all I can think of now, I may have missed somebody. there will be others.


Thank you West Islip.

5 D1 All Americans

4 D1 All Conference

1 North South player.

That is an impressive list. What other towns have produced high caliber D1 players?



Pretty good evidence that proved something we all knew. Talent comes from everywhere on the island. So no need to go to one of the LI Catholics for lax - like it was suggested.


Agreed, save your money and stay public, much better quality teachers and education plus some of the best lax programs in the country!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/09/14 08:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What towns have produced the "best" college players over the last 10 years?

Does anyone want to take a shot at this?

Looking to see if there is a town that is producing kids that "stand out" at the D-1 level.

All American, All Conference or North South honors.

Towns that come to mind are:

Garden City
Manhasset
West Islip
Cold Spring Harbor
Smithtown
Syosset
Massapequa

I think that Chaminade and St Anthony's have put out the most but what towns are the players from?

West Islip has had a few AA's in D-1 since 2004. Justin Turri -Duke 2011, 2012 honorable Mention, Ryan Flanagan- N.Carolina 2011,2010,2009, Nick Galasso - N.Carolina 2011, Brian Caufield-Albany 2009 (HM). Christian Scuderi-Hofstra 2009 (HM) also D2 AA at NYIT in 2007,2008. A few more D2 AA's were Albert Maione-Molloy 2009, Matt Sullivan-NYIT 2010, Eddie Plompen- CW Post 2011. Turri, Flanagan,Caufield, Maione and Scuderi all play or played in MLL. Andrew Hodgson-Towson was All-CAA in 2013 and is presently a senior. Ian Braddish - Hofstra was 1st team All-CAA in 2011. Mike Sagl-Quinnipiac was 2nd team All-NEC in 2013. Drew Federico-Fairfield was All-ECAC rookie in 2012 as was Bryan Badalato at Sacred Heart, presently at Marquette. Pete Mezzanotte-Towson was USILA North-South All-Star in 2011 and currently plays for Denver Outlaws in MLL. That is all I can think of now, I may have missed somebody. there will be others.


Thank you West Islip.

5 D1 All Americans

4 D1 All Conference

1 North South player.

That is an impressive list. What other towns have produced high caliber D1 players?



Pretty good evidence that proved something we all knew. Talent comes from everywhere on the island. So no need to go to one of the LI Catholics for lax - like it was suggested.


Agreed, save your money and stay public, much better quality teachers and education plus some of the best lax programs in the country!


Another hater. Worry about your own money and just tell us if your town has produced and top D-1 players in recent years.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/09/14 09:29 PM
Who cares if your an All American. What about getting into and going to college. That's really what's important here. Getting a law degree from Gtown isn't so shabby. Even if u barely step on the field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/09/14 10:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who cares if your an All American. What about getting into and going to college. That's really what's important here. Getting a law degree from Gtown isn't so shabby. Even if u barely step on the field.


You can't get a law degree without going to Law School. That is not an undergraduate major.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/10/14 12:17 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What towns have produced the "best" college players over the last 10 years?

Does anyone want to take a shot at this?

Looking to see if there is a town that is producing kids that "stand out" at the D-1 level.

All American, All Conference or North South honors.

Towns that come to mind are:

Garden City
Manhasset
West Islip
Cold Spring Harbor
Smithtown
Syosset
Massapequa

I think that Chaminade and St Anthony's have put out the most but what towns are the players from?

West Islip has had a few AA's in D-1 since 2004. Justin Turri -Duke 2011, 2012 honorable Mention, Ryan Flanagan- N.Carolina 2011,2010,2009, Nick Galasso - N.Carolina 2011, Brian Caufield-Albany 2009 (HM). Christian Scuderi-Hofstra 2009 (HM) also D2 AA at NYIT in 2007,2008. A few more D2 AA's were Albert Maione-Molloy 2009, Matt Sullivan-NYIT 2010, Eddie Plompen- CW Post 2011. Turri, Flanagan,Caufield, Maione and Scuderi all play or played in MLL. Andrew Hodgson-Towson was All-CAA in 2013 and is presently a senior. Ian Braddish - Hofstra was 1st team All-CAA in 2011. Mike Sagl-Quinnipiac was 2nd team All-NEC in 2013. Drew Federico-Fairfield was All-ECAC rookie in 2012 as was Bryan Badalato at Sacred Heart, presently at Marquette. Pete Mezzanotte-Towson was USILA North-South All-Star in 2011 and currently plays for Denver Outlaws in MLL. That is all I can think of now, I may have missed somebody. there will be others.


Thank you West Islip.

5 D1 All Americans

4 D1 All Conference

1 North South player.

That is an impressive list. What other towns have produced high caliber D1 players?



Pretty good evidence that proved something we all knew. Talent comes from everywhere on the island. So no need to go to one of the LI Catholics for lax - like it was suggested.


Agreed, save your money and stay public, much better quality teachers and education plus some of the best lax programs in the country!


You could always move to Smithtown, they currently have kids committed to these school ranging from 2017-2014 grad years, with many more to come very soon. Also have a former on Team USA, can any other town claim this?

Harvard-1
Yale-1
Hopkins-1
Penn State-2
Virginia-1
Maryland-2
UNC-2
Syracuse-1
Army 1
Drexel-1
Maryland-1
Lehigh-1
Stony Brook-1
Ohio State- 2
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/10/14 12:19 AM
Smithtown has been pretty solid
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/10/14 01:15 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What towns have produced the "best" college players over the last 10 years?

Does anyone want to take a shot at this?

Looking to see if there is a town that is producing kids that "stand out" at the D-1 level.

All American, All Conference or North South honors.

Towns that come to mind are:

Garden City
Manhasset
West Islip
Cold Spring Harbor
Smithtown
Syosset
Massapequa

I think that Chaminade and St Anthony's have put out the most but what towns are the players from?

West Islip has had a few AA's in D-1 since 2004. Justin Turri -Duke 2011, 2012 honorable Mention, Ryan Flanagan- N.Carolina 2011,2010,2009, Nick Galasso - N.Carolina 2011, Brian Caufield-Albany 2009 (HM). Christian Scuderi-Hofstra 2009 (HM) also D2 AA at NYIT in 2007,2008. A few more D2 AA's were Albert Maione-Molloy 2009, Matt Sullivan-NYIT 2010, Eddie Plompen- CW Post 2011. Turri, Flanagan,Caufield, Maione and Scuderi all play or played in MLL. Andrew Hodgson-Towson was All-CAA in 2013 and is presently a senior. Ian Braddish - Hofstra was 1st team All-CAA in 2011. Mike Sagl-Quinnipiac was 2nd team All-NEC in 2013. Drew Federico-Fairfield was All-ECAC rookie in 2012 as was Bryan Badalato at Sacred Heart, presently at Marquette. Pete Mezzanotte-Towson was USILA North-South All-Star in 2011 and currently plays for Denver Outlaws in MLL. That is all I can think of now, I may have missed somebody. there will be others.


Thank you West Islip.

5 D1 All Americans

4 D1 All Conference

1 North South player.

That is an impressive list. What other towns have produced high caliber D1 players?



Pretty good evidence that proved something we all knew. Talent comes from everywhere on the island. So no need to go to one of the LI Catholics for lax - like it was suggested.


Agreed, save your money and stay public, much better quality teachers and education plus some of the best lax programs in the country!


You could always move to Smithtown, they currently have kids committed to these school ranging from 2017-2014 grad years, with many more to come very soon. Also have a former on Team USA, can any other town claim this?

Harvard-1
Yale-1
Hopkins-1
Penn State-2
Virginia-1
Maryland-2
UNC-2
Syracuse-1
Army 1
Drexel-1
Maryland-1
Lehigh-1
Stony Brook-1
Ohio State- 2


Kids from all over the Island go on to play D 1 lacrosse.

I just wanted to see if any one town produced more high end D 1 players than the other towns.

Apparently that is too much to ask of the crazy people on this site. Every one either wants to demonstrate their hate and jealousy or they want to tell of all players who play in college or of the current and future committed players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/10/14 04:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What towns have produced the "best" college players over the last 10 years?

Does anyone want to take a shot at this?

Looking to see if there is a town that is producing kids that "stand out" at the D-1 level.

All American, All Conference or North South honors.

Towns that come to mind are:

Garden City
Manhasset
West Islip
Cold Spring Harbor
Smithtown
Syosset
Massapequa

I think that Chaminade and St Anthony's have put out the most but what towns are the players from?

West Islip has had a few AA's in D-1 since 2004. Justin Turri -Duke 2011, 2012 honorable Mention, Ryan Flanagan- N.Carolina 2011,2010,2009, Nick Galasso - N.Carolina 2011, Brian Caufield-Albany 2009 (HM). Christian Scuderi-Hofstra 2009 (HM) also D2 AA at NYIT in 2007,2008. A few more D2 AA's were Albert Maione-Molloy 2009, Matt Sullivan-NYIT 2010, Eddie Plompen- CW Post 2011. Turri, Flanagan,Caufield, Maione and Scuderi all play or played in MLL. Andrew Hodgson-Towson was All-CAA in 2013 and is presently a senior. Ian Braddish - Hofstra was 1st team All-CAA in 2011. Mike Sagl-Quinnipiac was 2nd team All-NEC in 2013. Drew Federico-Fairfield was All-ECAC rookie in 2012 as was Bryan Badalato at Sacred Heart, presently at Marquette. Pete Mezzanotte-Towson was USILA North-South All-Star in 2011 and currently plays for Denver Outlaws in MLL. That is all I can think of now, I may have missed somebody. there will be others.


Thank you West Islip.

5 D1 All Americans

4 D1 All Conference

1 North South player.

That is an impressive list. What other towns have produced high caliber D1 players?



Pretty good evidence that proved something we all knew. Talent comes from everywhere on the island. So no need to go to one of the LI Catholics for lax - like it was suggested.


Agreed, save your money and stay public, much better quality teachers and education plus some of the best lax programs in the country!


You are out of your mind if you think public school on LI are superior to Chaminade.....The overall "product" produced at Chaminade (athletics, academics, discipline, character, etc.) is just not found elsewhere. If you want to save your money that is fine but don't start with the nonsense hating.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/10/14 04:49 PM
Smithtown has been impressive putting kids into top schools, but with all that talent they have had a hard time winning anything. I know they have two high schools and I believe the only county championship was when they had one high school for the district. With that said, I think they have the best talent coming up in the next few years. It will be interesting to see how many Terps and Extreme kids from Smithtown play for St.Anthony's or Chaminade instead of East/West.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/10/14 04:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are out of your mind if you think public school on LI are superior to Chaminade.....The overall "product" produced at Chaminade (athletics, academics, discipline, character, etc.) is just not found elsewhere. If you want to save your money that is fine but don't start with the nonsense hating.
Before BOTC responds to these points, let us up front say that we are only responding to provide counterpoint to why many of these arguments are pointless. Consider these points.
  • Academics - Should we measure academic achievement through Advanced Placement exam results, number of participants, or SAT/ACT performance? Should we examine the results from Intel and Siemens competitions? How about attendance at National Youth Leadership Forums in Washington DC and elsewhere? Our point here is that any of these metrics can be made to say exactly what I want when I need the details.
  • Diversity - Many universities are stressing diversity in their class selection including regions, race, culture, and many other elements. Is a self-selected, all-boys environment the best one in which to prepare for the diversity associated with a university environment?
  • Discipline - If you want to stress that element, would a military education be superior? Does the fact that everyone wears a uniform define discipline?
  • Character - How does one "measure" character? How do you know one is superior to another? Isn't character more developed at home rather than at school?
Our point is that the best at one High School surely out-performs the worst at another making all of the generalizations pointless. After all, one cannot point to statistics that espouse individual drive in college as being the critical success factor and then argue that somehow that factor does not exist at the scholastic level.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/10/14 04:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Smithtown has been impressive putting kids into top schools, but with all that talent they have had a hard time winning anything.
BOTC would argue that you just pointed to what they have won. Think about it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/10/14 05:32 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Smithtown has been impressive putting kids into top schools, but with all that talent they have had a hard time winning anything.
BOTC would argue that you just pointed to what they have won. Think about it.
. Yes, I was obviously commenting on a program's pursuit of a county title which should be the goal for top teams like Smithtown East/West. The individuals who excel to the point where they move to a top college program I would argue have earned it and they are indeed winners in my book.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/10/14 05:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What towns have produced the "best" college players over the last 10 years?

Does anyone want to take a shot at this?

Looking to see if there is a town that is producing kids that "stand out" at the D-1 level.

All American, All Conference or North South honors.

Towns that come to mind are:

Garden City
Manhasset
West Islip
Cold Spring Harbor
Smithtown
Syosset
Massapequa

I think that Chaminade and St Anthony's have put out the most but what towns are the players from?

West Islip has had a few AA's in D-1 since 2004. Justin Turri -Duke 2011, 2012 honorable Mention, Ryan Flanagan- N.Carolina 2011,2010,2009, Nick Galasso - N.Carolina 2011, Brian Caufield-Albany 2009 (HM). Christian Scuderi-Hofstra 2009 (HM) also D2 AA at NYIT in 2007,2008. A few more D2 AA's were Albert Maione-Molloy 2009, Matt Sullivan-NYIT 2010, Eddie Plompen- CW Post 2011. Turri, Flanagan,Caufield, Maione and Scuderi all play or played in MLL. Andrew Hodgson-Towson was All-CAA in 2013 and is presently a senior. Ian Braddish - Hofstra was 1st team All-CAA in 2011. Mike Sagl-Quinnipiac was 2nd team All-NEC in 2013. Drew Federico-Fairfield was All-ECAC rookie in 2012 as was Bryan Badalato at Sacred Heart, presently at Marquette. Pete Mezzanotte-Towson was USILA North-South All-Star in 2011 and currently plays for Denver Outlaws in MLL. That is all I can think of now, I may have missed somebody. there will be others.


Thank you West Islip.

5 D1 All Americans

4 D1 All Conference

1 North South player.

That is an impressive list. What other towns have produced high caliber D1 players?



Pretty good evidence that proved something we all knew. Talent comes from everywhere on the island. So no need to go to one of the LI Catholics for lax - like it was suggested.


Agreed, save your money and stay public, much better quality teachers and education plus some of the best lax programs in the country!


You are out of your mind if you think public school on LI are superior to Chaminade.....The overall "product" produced at Chaminade (athletics, academics, discipline, character, etc.) is just not found elsewhere. If you want to save your money that is fine but don't start with the nonsense hating.


One persons opinion. School is what you make of it. If you take advantage of all the great opportuities offered at most public schools on LI, you will save yourself a bundle and sstill wind up at a top university!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/10/14 06:29 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are out of your mind if you think public school on LI are superior to Chaminade.....The overall "product" produced at Chaminade (athletics, academics, discipline, character, etc.) is just not found elsewhere. If you want to save your money that is fine but don't start with the nonsense hating.
Before BOTC responds to these points, let us up front say that we are only responding to provide counterpoint to why many of these arguments are pointless. Consider these points.
  • Academics - Should we measure academic achievement through Advanced Placement exam results, number of participants, or SAT/ACT performance? Should we examine the results from Intel and Siemens competitions? How about attendance at National Youth Leadership Forums in Washington DC and elsewhere? Our point here is that any of these metrics can be made to say exactly what I want when I need the details.
  • Diversity - Many universities are stressing diversity in their class selection including regions, race, culture, and many other elements. Is a self-selected, all-boys environment the best one in which to prepare for the diversity associated with a university environment?
  • Discipline - If you want to stress that element, would a military education be superior? Does the fact that everyone wears a uniform define discipline?
  • Character - How does one "measure" character? How do you know one is superior to another? Isn't character more developed at home rather than at school?
Our point is that the best at one High School surely out-performs the worst at another making all of the generalizations pointless. After all, one cannot point to statistics that espouse individual drive in college as being the critical success factor and then argue that somehow that factor does not exist at the scholastic level.


On some level I agree on the academics piece, but not your comments about diversity, discipline and character. As to diversity, many would argue single-sex education is the best way to prepare young men and women because it allows them to be themselves and put aside all the adolescent games that can interfere with learning in the classroom. Nor is discipline at Chaminade the result of a uniform. It is taught by enforcing a code of conduct in the school, holding kids accountable for their actions and giving them a volume of work that demands discipline. When you have all that you grow up. I don't analogize it to the military, as you did, but West Point is consistently ranked among the top educational institutions in the country. They also, I think, have a pretty good record of churning out leaders year in and year out. Lastly, I agree character is more developed at home (hopefully) but there is no denying that the lessons reinforced at a place like Chaminade are key in terms of shaping the young men that go there. That is why I said the overall "product", in my opinion, is second to none on LI. Others can disageee, and that is fine, but what I realy was responding to was the "save your money" nonnsense. It may not be for you and your kid, but if you don't recognize what is happening at places like Chaminade you haven't been paying attention.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/10/14 06:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
On some level I agree on the academics piece, but not your comments about diversity, discipline and character.
Remember my caveat : We are only trying to present counterpoint to the discussion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
As to diversity, many would argue single-sex education is the best way to prepare young men and women because it allows them to be themselves and put aside all the adolescent games that can interfere with learning in the classroom.
Just as there are others who would claim that such an environment ill-prepares an individual for a co-ed living situation at the University level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nor is discipline at Chaminade the result of a uniform. It is taught by enforcing a code of conduct in the school, holding kids accountable for their actions and giving them a volume of work that demands discipline. When you have all that you grow up.
We agree that discipline comes through individual responsibility.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't analogize it to the military, as you did, but West Point is consistently ranked among the top educational institutions in the country. They also, I think, have a pretty good record of churning out leaders year in and year out. Lastly, I agree character is more developed at home (hopefully) but there is no denying that the lessons reinforced at a place like Chaminade are key in terms of shaping the young men that go there. That is why I said the overall "product", in my opinion, is second to none on LI.
We appreciate your view.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Others can disageee, and that is fine, but what I realy was responding to was the "save your money" nonnsense.
Understood.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It may not be for you and your kid, but if you don't recognize what is happening at places like Chaminade you haven't been paying attention.
This can be said of many districts that have been excelling with their individual programs and academic college placement rates. Again, the purpose of our discussion was to provide counterpoints, not to assert the value of any one public district over or under Chaminade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/10/14 06:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are out of your mind if you think public school on LI are superior to Chaminade.....The overall "product" produced at Chaminade (athletics, academics, discipline, character, etc.) is just not found elsewhere. If you want to save your money that is fine but don't start with the nonsense hating.
Before BOTC responds to these points, let us up front say that we are only responding to provide counterpoint to why many of these arguments are pointless. Consider these points.
  • Academics - Should we measure academic achievement through Advanced Placement exam results, number of participants, or SAT/ACT performance? Should we examine the results from Intel and Siemens competitions? How about attendance at National Youth Leadership Forums in Washington DC and elsewhere? Our point here is that any of these metrics can be made to say exactly what I want when I need the details.
  • Diversity - Many universities are stressing diversity in their class selection including regions, race, culture, and many other elements. Is a self-selected, all-boys environment the best one in which to prepare for the diversity associated with a university environment?
  • Discipline - If you want to stress that element, would a military education be superior? Does the fact that everyone wears a uniform define discipline?
  • Character - How does one "measure" character? How do you know one is superior to another? Isn't character more developed at home rather than at school?
Our point is that the best at one High School surely out-performs the worst at another making all of the generalizations pointless. After all, one cannot point to statistics that espouse individual drive in college as being the critical success factor and then argue that somehow that factor does not exist at the scholastic level.


On some level I agree on the academics piece, but not your comments about diversity, discipline and character. As to diversity, many would argue single-sex education is the best way to prepare young men and women because it allows them to be themselves and put aside all the adolescent games that can interfere with learning in the classroom. Nor is discipline at Chaminade the result of a uniform. It is taught by enforcing a code of conduct in the school, holding kids accountable for their actions and giving them a volume of work that demands discipline. When you have all that you grow up. I don't analogize it to the military, as you did, but West Point is consistently ranked among the top educational institutions in the country. They also, I think, have a pretty good record of churning out leaders year in and year out. Lastly, I agree character is more developed at home (hopefully) but there is no denying that the lessons reinforced at a place like Chaminade are key in terms of shaping the young men that go there. That is why I said the overall "product", in my opinion, is second to none on LI. Others can disageee, and that is fine, but what I realy was responding to was the "save your money" nonnsense. It may not be for you and your kid, but if you don't recognize what is happening at places like Chaminade you haven't been paying attention.


Recognize what is happening at Chaminade?? If they are so great, where are their Intel and Siemans finalists? You would think such a fine, disiplined program woould represent at the most presigious scinece competitions. I still stick to the fact that many LI public school districts are out performing Chaminade in many areas. As for character and disipline, as stated, it begins at home. Just because a kid goes Chaminade does not inatanly give them character. Private may be a good choice if you come from a medocre district, but otherwise a waste of money.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/10/14 07:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are out of your mind if you think public school on LI are superior to Chaminade.....The overall "product" produced at Chaminade (athletics, academics, discipline, character, etc.) is just not found elsewhere. If you want to save your money that is fine but don't start with the nonsense hating.
Before BOTC responds to these points, let us up front say that we are only responding to provide counterpoint to why many of these arguments are pointless. Consider these points.
  • Academics - Should we measure academic achievement through Advanced Placement exam results, number of participants, or SAT/ACT performance? Should we examine the results from Intel and Siemens competitions? How about attendance at National Youth Leadership Forums in Washington DC and elsewhere? Our point here is that any of these metrics can be made to say exactly what I want when I need the details.
  • Diversity - Many universities are stressing diversity in their class selection including regions, race, culture, and many other elements. Is a self-selected, all-boys environment the best one in which to prepare for the diversity associated with a university environment?
  • Discipline - If you want to stress that element, would a military education be superior? Does the fact that everyone wears a uniform define discipline?
  • Character - How does one "measure" character? How do you know one is superior to another? Isn't character more developed at home rather than at school?
Our point is that the best at one High School surely out-performs the worst at another making all of the generalizations pointless. After all, one cannot point to statistics that espouse individual drive in college as being the critical success factor and then argue that somehow that factor does not exist at the scholastic level.


On some level I agree on the academics piece, but not your comments about diversity, discipline and character. As to diversity, many would argue single-sex education is the best way to prepare young men and women because it allows them to be themselves and put aside all the adolescent games that can interfere with learning in the classroom. Nor is discipline at Chaminade the result of a uniform. It is taught by enforcing a code of conduct in the school, holding kids accountable for their actions and giving them a volume of work that demands discipline. When you have all that you grow up. I don't analogize it to the military, as you did, but West Point is consistently ranked among the top educational institutions in the country. They also, I think, have a pretty good record of churning out leaders year in and year out. Lastly, I agree character is more developed at home (hopefully) but there is no denying that the lessons reinforced at a place like Chaminade are key in terms of shaping the young men that go there. That is why I said the overall "product", in my opinion, is second to none on LI. Others can disageee, and that is fine, but what I realy was responding to was the "save your money" nonnsense. It may not be for you and your kid, but if you don't recognize what is happening at places like Chaminade you haven't been paying attention.


Recognize what is happening at Chaminade?? If they are so great, where are their Intel and Siemans finalists? You would think such a fine, disiplined program woould represent at the most presigious scinece competitions. I still stick to the fact that many LI public school districts are out performing Chaminade in many areas. As for character and disipline, as stated, it begins at home. Just because a kid goes Chaminade does not inatanly give them character. Private may be a good choice if you come from a medocre district, but otherwise a waste of money.


Choosing a Catholic education is a personal descision and calling "waste of money" is certainly "your" personal opinion, but far from a fact. Some people (maybe not on this site) decide based on things other than lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/10/14 08:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are out of your mind if you think public school on LI are superior to Chaminade.....The overall "product" produced at Chaminade (athletics, academics, discipline, character, etc.) is just not found elsewhere. If you want to save your money that is fine but don't start with the nonsense hating.
Before BOTC responds to these points, let us up front say that we are only responding to provide counterpoint to why many of these arguments are pointless. Consider these points.
  • Academics - Should we measure academic achievement through Advanced Placement exam results, number of participants, or SAT/ACT performance? Should we examine the results from Intel and Siemens competitions? How about attendance at National Youth Leadership Forums in Washington DC and elsewhere? Our point here is that any of these metrics can be made to say exactly what I want when I need the details.
  • Diversity - Many universities are stressing diversity in their class selection including regions, race, culture, and many other elements. Is a self-selected, all-boys environment the best one in which to prepare for the diversity associated with a university environment?
  • Discipline - If you want to stress that element, would a military education be superior? Does the fact that everyone wears a uniform define discipline?
  • Character - How does one "measure" character? How do you know one is superior to another? Isn't character more developed at home rather than at school?
Our point is that the best at one High School surely out-performs the worst at another making all of the generalizations pointless. After all, one cannot point to statistics that espouse individual drive in college as being the critical success factor and then argue that somehow that factor does not exist at the scholastic level.


On some level I agree on the academics piece, but not your comments about diversity, discipline and character. As to diversity, many would argue single-sex education is the best way to prepare young men and women because it allows them to be themselves and put aside all the adolescent games that can interfere with learning in the classroom. Nor is discipline at Chaminade the result of a uniform. It is taught by enforcing a code of conduct in the school, holding kids accountable for their actions and giving them a volume of work that demands discipline. When you have all that you grow up. I don't analogize it to the military, as you did, but West Point is consistently ranked among the top educational institutions in the country. They also, I think, have a pretty good record of churning out leaders year in and year out. Lastly, I agree character is more developed at home (hopefully) but there is no denying that the lessons reinforced at a place like Chaminade are key in terms of shaping the young men that go there. That is why I said the overall "product", in my opinion, is second to none on LI. Others can disageee, and that is fine, but what I realy was responding to was the "save your money" nonnsense. It may not be for you and your kid, but if you don't recognize what is happening at places like Chaminade you haven't been paying attention.


Recognize what is happening at Chaminade?? If they are so great, where are their Intel and Siemans finalists? You would think such a fine, disiplined program woould represent at the most presigious scinece competitions. I still stick to the fact that many LI public school districts are out performing Chaminade in many areas. As for character and disipline, as stated, it begins at home. Just because a kid goes Chaminade does not inatanly give them character. Private may be a good choice if you come from a medocre district, but otherwise a waste of money.


Choosing a Catholic education is a personal descision and calling "waste of money" is certainly "your" personal opinion, but far from a fact. Some people (maybe not on this site) decide based on things other than lacrosse.


Already tried to make that point days ago. But people actually think parents choose Catholic School because of lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/10/14 09:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are out of your mind if you think public school on LI are superior to Chaminade.....The overall "product" produced at Chaminade (athletics, academics, discipline, character, etc.) is just not found elsewhere. If you want to save your money that is fine but don't start with the nonsense hating.
Before BOTC responds to these points, let us up front say that we are only responding to provide counterpoint to why many of these arguments are pointless. Consider these points.
  • Academics - Should we measure academic achievement through Advanced Placement exam results, number of participants, or SAT/ACT performance? Should we examine the results from Intel and Siemens competitions? How about attendance at National Youth Leadership Forums in Washington DC and elsewhere? Our point here is that any of these metrics can be made to say exactly what I want when I need the details.
  • Diversity - Many universities are stressing diversity in their class selection including regions, race, culture, and many other elements. Is a self-selected, all-boys environment the best one in which to prepare for the diversity associated with a university environment?
  • Discipline - If you want to stress that element, would a military education be superior? Does the fact that everyone wears a uniform define discipline?
  • Character - How does one "measure" character? How do you know one is superior to another? Isn't character more developed at home rather than at school?
Our point is that the best at one High School surely out-performs the worst at another making all of the generalizations pointless. After all, one cannot point to statistics that espouse individual drive in college as being the critical success factor and then argue that somehow that factor does not exist at the scholastic level.


On some level I agree on the academics piece, but not your comments about diversity, discipline and character. As to diversity, many would argue single-sex education is the best way to prepare young men and women because it allows them to be themselves and put aside all the adolescent games that can interfere with learning in the classroom. Nor is discipline at Chaminade the result of a uniform. It is taught by enforcing a code of conduct in the school, holding kids accountable for their actions and giving them a volume of work that demands discipline. When you have all that you grow up. I don't analogize it to the military, as you did, but West Point is consistently ranked among the top educational institutions in the country. They also, I think, have a pretty good record of churning out leaders year in and year out. Lastly, I agree character is more developed at home (hopefully) but there is no denying that the lessons reinforced at a place like Chaminade are key in terms of shaping the young men that go there. That is why I said the overall "product", in my opinion, is second to none on LI. Others can disageee, and that is fine, but what I realy was responding to was the "save your money" nonnsense. It may not be for you and your kid, but if you don't recognize what is happening at places like Chaminade you haven't been paying attention.


Recognize what is happening at Chaminade?? If they are so great, where are their Intel and Siemans finalists? You would think such a fine, disiplined program woould represent at the most presigious scinece competitions. I still stick to the fact that many LI public school districts are out performing Chaminade in many areas. As for character and disipline, as stated, it begins at home. Just because a kid goes Chaminade does not inatanly give them character. Private may be a good choice if you come from a medocre district, but otherwise a waste of money.


Choosing a Catholic education is a personal descision and calling "waste of money" is certainly "your" personal opinion, but far from a fact. Some people (maybe not on this site) decide based on things other than lacrosse.


Already tried to make that point days ago. But people actually think parents choose Catholic School because of lacrosse.


I would believe there are a lot of students who choose eother school not for sports.... but.... If you are on this site and you choose StA or Chamy you are choosing because of sports.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/11/14 01:03 AM
U r missing his point!!! He is not talking about GT Law school. DA.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/11/14 04:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are out of your mind if you think public school on LI are superior to Chaminade.....The overall "product" produced at Chaminade (athletics, academics, discipline, character, etc.) is just not found elsewhere. If you want to save your money that is fine but don't start with the nonsense hating.
Before BOTC responds to these points, let us up front say that we are only responding to provide counterpoint to why many of these arguments are pointless. Consider these points.
  • Academics - Should we measure academic achievement through Advanced Placement exam results, number of participants, or SAT/ACT performance? Should we examine the results from Intel and Siemens competitions? How about attendance at National Youth Leadership Forums in Washington DC and elsewhere? Our point here is that any of these metrics can be made to say exactly what I want when I need the details.
  • Diversity - Many universities are stressing diversity in their class selection including regions, race, culture, and many other elements. Is a self-selected, all-boys environment the best one in which to prepare for the diversity associated with a university environment?
  • Discipline - If you want to stress that element, would a military education be superior? Does the fact that everyone wears a uniform define discipline?
  • Character - How does one "measure" character? How do you know one is superior to another? Isn't character more developed at home rather than at school?
Our point is that the best at one High School surely out-performs the worst at another making all of the generalizations pointless. After all, one cannot point to statistics that espouse individual drive in college as being the critical success factor and then argue that somehow that factor does not exist at the scholastic level.


On some level I agree on the academics piece, but not your comments about diversity, discipline and character. As to diversity, many would argue single-sex education is the best way to prepare young men and women because it allows them to be themselves and put aside all the adolescent games that can interfere with learning in the classroom. Nor is discipline at Chaminade the result of a uniform. It is taught by enforcing a code of conduct in the school, holding kids accountable for their actions and giving them a volume of work that demands discipline. When you have all that you grow up. I don't analogize it to the military, as you did, but West Point is consistently ranked among the top educational institutions in the country. They also, I think, have a pretty good record of churning out leaders year in and year out. Lastly, I agree character is more developed at home (hopefully) but there is no denying that the lessons reinforced at a place like Chaminade are key in terms of shaping the young men that go there. That is why I said the overall "product", in my opinion, is second to none on LI. Others can disageee, and that is fine, but what I realy was responding to was the "save your money" nonnsense. It may not be for you and your kid, but if you don't recognize what is happening at places like Chaminade you haven't been paying attention.


Recognize what is happening at Chaminade?? If they are so great, where are their Intel and Siemans finalists? You would think such a fine, disiplined program woould represent at the most presigious scinece competitions. I still stick to the fact that many LI public school districts are out performing Chaminade in many areas. As for character and disipline, as stated, it begins at home. Just because a kid goes Chaminade does not inatanly give them character. Private may be a good choice if you come from a medocre district, but otherwise a waste of money.


I come from a very good district and still choose to sent mine to a Catholic and I don't find it a waste of my money. You really should not tell people how to spend their money much like i would never tell you how to spend yours. i think your example is a bad one anyway. Only a hand full of kids get Intel or Siemens and that is not indicative of the district as a whole but rather of those individual students. You should look at the % going to 2 and 4 year colleges and the quality of the schools they are going too. Once you do that i think you will find the publics are not out performing St A's or Chaminade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/11/14 05:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are out of your mind if you think public school on LI are superior to Chaminade.....The overall "product" produced at Chaminade (athletics, academics, discipline, character, etc.) is just not found elsewhere. If you want to save your money that is fine but don't start with the nonsense hating.
Before BOTC responds to these points, let us up front say that we are only responding to provide counterpoint to why many of these arguments are pointless. Consider these points.
  • Academics - Should we measure academic achievement through Advanced Placement exam results, number of participants, or SAT/ACT performance? Should we examine the results from Intel and Siemens competitions? How about attendance at National Youth Leadership Forums in Washington DC and elsewhere? Our point here is that any of these metrics can be made to say exactly what I want when I need the details.
  • Diversity - Many universities are stressing diversity in their class selection including regions, race, culture, and many other elements. Is a self-selected, all-boys environment the best one in which to prepare for the diversity associated with a university environment?
  • Discipline - If you want to stress that element, would a military education be superior? Does the fact that everyone wears a uniform define discipline?
  • Character - How does one "measure" character? How do you know one is superior to another? Isn't character more developed at home rather than at school?
Our point is that the best at one High School surely out-performs the worst at another making all of the generalizations pointless. After all, one cannot point to statistics that espouse individual drive in college as being the critical success factor and then argue that somehow that factor does not exist at the scholastic level.


On some level I agree on the academics piece, but not your comments about diversity, discipline and character. As to diversity, many would argue single-sex education is the best way to prepare young men and women because it allows them to be themselves and put aside all the adolescent games that can interfere with learning in the classroom. Nor is discipline at Chaminade the result of a uniform. It is taught by enforcing a code of conduct in the school, holding kids accountable for their actions and giving them a volume of work that demands discipline. When you have all that you grow up. I don't analogize it to the military, as you did, but West Point is consistently ranked among the top educational institutions in the country. They also, I think, have a pretty good record of churning out leaders year in and year out. Lastly, I agree character is more developed at home (hopefully) but there is no denying that the lessons reinforced at a place like Chaminade are key in terms of shaping the young men that go there. That is why I said the overall "product", in my opinion, is second to none on LI. Others can disageee, and that is fine, but what I realy was responding to was the "save your money" nonnsense. It may not be for you and your kid, but if you don't recognize what is happening at places like Chaminade you haven't been paying attention.


Recognize what is happening at Chaminade?? If they are so great, where are their Intel and Siemans finalists? You would think such a fine, disiplined program woould represent at the most presigious scinece competitions. I still stick to the fact that many LI public school districts are out performing Chaminade in many areas. As for character and disipline, as stated, it begins at home. Just because a kid goes Chaminade does not inatanly give them character. Private may be a good choice if you come from a medocre district, but otherwise a waste of money.


I come from a very good district and still choose to sent mine to a Catholic and I don't find it a waste of my money. You really should not tell people how to spend their money much like i would never tell you how to spend yours. i think your example is a bad one anyway. Only a hand full of kids get Intel or Siemens and that is not indicative of the district as a whole but rather of those individual students. You should look at the % going to 2 and 4 year colleges and the quality of the schools they are going too. Once you do that i think you will find the publics are not out performing St A's or Chaminade.


I think alot has to do with the individual student. What fits and doesnt fit. My son gets all A's or better in a very competitive academic school district and we discussed the Catholic school route for academics and sports. As per his choice he didnt feel it would work for him. He enjoys his friends and the diversity of his school. This is not a knock on Catholic Schools just that you need to keep in mind what will work for your child. As for choosing the Catholic School for sport purposes again that is your choice. If your child doesnt make the team he is guaranteed a top notch education in a very structured enviornment. There are no guarantees your kid will make the team either.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/11/14 07:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are out of your mind if you think public school on LI are superior to Chaminade.....The overall "product" produced at Chaminade (athletics, academics, discipline, character, etc.) is just not found elsewhere. If you want to save your money that is fine but don't start with the nonsense hating.
Before BOTC responds to these points, let us up front say that we are only responding to provide counterpoint to why many of these arguments are pointless. Consider these points.
  • Academics - Should we measure academic achievement through Advanced Placement exam results, number of participants, or SAT/ACT performance? Should we examine the results from Intel and Siemens competitions? How about attendance at National Youth Leadership Forums in Washington DC and elsewhere? Our point here is that any of these metrics can be made to say exactly what I want when I need the details.
  • Diversity - Many universities are stressing diversity in their class selection including regions, race, culture, and many other elements. Is a self-selected, all-boys environment the best one in which to prepare for the diversity associated with a university environment?
  • Discipline - If you want to stress that element, would a military education be superior? Does the fact that everyone wears a uniform define discipline?
  • Character - How does one "measure" character? How do you know one is superior to another? Isn't character more developed at home rather than at school?
Our point is that the best at one High School surely out-performs the worst at another making all of the generalizations pointless. After all, one cannot point to statistics that espouse individual drive in college as being the critical success factor and then argue that somehow that factor does not exist at the scholastic level.


On some level I agree on the academics piece, but not your comments about diversity, discipline and character. As to diversity, many would argue single-sex education is the best way to prepare young men and women because it allows them to be themselves and put aside all the adolescent games that can interfere with learning in the classroom. Nor is discipline at Chaminade the result of a uniform. It is taught by enforcing a code of conduct in the school, holding kids accountable for their actions and giving them a volume of work that demands discipline. When you have all that you grow up. I don't analogize it to the military, as you did, but West Point is consistently ranked among the top educational institutions in the country. They also, I think, have a pretty good record of churning out leaders year in and year out. Lastly, I agree character is more developed at home (hopefully) but there is no denying that the lessons reinforced at a place like Chaminade are key in terms of shaping the young men that go there. That is why I said the overall "product", in my opinion, is second to none on LI. Others can disageee, and that is fine, but what I realy was responding to was the "save your money" nonnsense. It may not be for you and your kid, but if you don't recognize what is happening at places like Chaminade you haven't been paying attention.


Recognize what is happening at Chaminade?? If they are so great, where are their Intel and Siemans finalists? You would think such a fine, disiplined program woould represent at the most presigious scinece competitions. I still stick to the fact that many LI public school districts are out performing Chaminade in many areas. As for character and disipline, as stated, it begins at home. Just because a kid goes Chaminade does not inatanly give them character. Private may be a good choice if you come from a medocre district, but otherwise a waste of money.


I come from a very good district and still choose to sent mine to a Catholic and I don't find it a waste of my money. You really should not tell people how to spend their money much like i would never tell you how to spend yours. i think your example is a bad one anyway. Only a hand full of kids get Intel or Siemens and that is not indicative of the district as a whole but rather of those individual students. You should look at the % going to 2 and 4 year colleges and the quality of the schools they are going too. Once you do that i think you will find the publics are not out performing St A's or Chaminade.


I think alot has to do with the individual student. What fits and doesnt fit. My son gets all A's or better in a very competitive academic school district and we discussed the Catholic school route for academics and sports. As per his choice he didnt feel it would work for him. He enjoys his friends and the diversity of his school. This is not a knock on Catholic Schools just that you need to keep in mind what will work for your child. As for choosing the Catholic School for sport purposes again that is your choice. If your child doesnt make the team he is guaranteed a top notch education in a very structured enviornment. There are no guarantees your kid will make the team either.


Wrong again, the top public schools have the same percentage of seinors going to pretigous 4 year universities as Cham and SA. My son has friends at private schools that all have to hire private tutors because the teaching is so bad. Think about it. Why would a teacher work at private when they make 2x as much at public, therefor public attracts better educators on average. Private school teachers don't even have to be certifed! Scary! With great Lax programs as well as a top notch academics, no reason to go private!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/11/14 08:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are out of your mind if you think public school on LI are superior to Chaminade.....The overall "product" produced at Chaminade (athletics, academics, discipline, character, etc.) is just not found elsewhere. If you want to save your money that is fine but don't start with the nonsense hating.
Before BOTC responds to these points, let us up front say that we are only responding to provide counterpoint to why many of these arguments are pointless. Consider these points.
  • Academics - Should we measure academic achievement through Advanced Placement exam results, number of participants, or SAT/ACT performance? Should we examine the results from Intel and Siemens competitions? How about attendance at National Youth Leadership Forums in Washington DC and elsewhere? Our point here is that any of these metrics can be made to say exactly what I want when I need the details.
  • Diversity - Many universities are stressing diversity in their class selection including regions, race, culture, and many other elements. Is a self-selected, all-boys environment the best one in which to prepare for the diversity associated with a university environment?
  • Discipline - If you want to stress that element, would a military education be superior? Does the fact that everyone wears a uniform define discipline?
  • Character - How does one "measure" character? How do you know one is superior to another? Isn't character more developed at home rather than at school?
Our point is that the best at one High School surely out-performs the worst at another making all of the generalizations pointless. After all, one cannot point to statistics that espouse individual drive in college as being the critical success factor and then argue that somehow that factor does not exist at the scholastic level.


On some level I agree on the academics piece, but not your comments about diversity, discipline and character. As to diversity, many would argue single-sex education is the best way to prepare young men and women because it allows them to be themselves and put aside all the adolescent games that can interfere with learning in the classroom. Nor is discipline at Chaminade the result of a uniform. It is taught by enforcing a code of conduct in the school, holding kids accountable for their actions and giving them a volume of work that demands discipline. When you have all that you grow up. I don't analogize it to the military, as you did, but West Point is consistently ranked among the top educational institutions in the country. They also, I think, have a pretty good record of churning out leaders year in and year out. Lastly, I agree character is more developed at home (hopefully) but there is no denying that the lessons reinforced at a place like Chaminade are key in terms of shaping the young men that go there. That is why I said the overall "product", in my opinion, is second to none on LI. Others can disageee, and that is fine, but what I realy was responding to was the "save your money" nonnsense. It may not be for you and your kid, but if you don't recognize what is happening at places like Chaminade you haven't been paying attention.


Recognize what is happening at Chaminade?? If they are so great, where are their Intel and Siemans finalists? You would think such a fine, disiplined program woould represent at the most presigious scinece competitions. I still stick to the fact that many LI public school districts are out performing Chaminade in many areas. As for character and disipline, as stated, it begins at home. Just because a kid goes Chaminade does not inatanly give them character. Private may be a good choice if you come from a medocre district, but otherwise a waste of money.


I come from a very good district and still choose to sent mine to a Catholic and I don't find it a waste of my money. You really should not tell people how to spend their money much like i would never tell you how to spend yours. i think your example is a bad one anyway. Only a hand full of kids get Intel or Siemens and that is not indicative of the district as a whole but rather of those individual students. You should look at the % going to 2 and 4 year colleges and the quality of the schools they are going too. Once you do that i think you will find the publics are not out performing St A's or Chaminade.


Do you not realize that the public schools allow ALL the kids in that town to go to said school. Hence, no district as a whole could measure up to the hand selected student body at a Chaminade. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they don't take students that struggle for whatever reason. Nor do they take kids with behavioral or substance abuse issues. They take the top scorers on the test. Yet somehow many districts have incredible graduation rates as well as high percentages of students going to 4 year schools, that rival the privates. Point is the average kid who goes to Cham most likely would do just as well academically if they stayed public. Much less to do with the school, much more to do with student selection process.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/11/14 08:50 PM

This person is obtuse! There are many reasons to chose either public, private, or Catholic schools. Each of these approaches has ultimately developed some pretty outstanding people as well as some pretty horrible people. To say generically that either approach is inferior or superior is missing the boat! Parents need to make the determination for their particular child. As an example, if a set of parents felt that it was important for their child to develop a deeper understanding of their faith while also pursuing academics, then the Catholic schools seem like a reasonable option to pursue. If that is not a priority, then perhaps Catholic schools are not a consideration. It all comes down to individual choice and decisions made by the parents who know their child best and what they feel will help develop that child into the best possible adult for the future.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/12/14 12:30 AM
"behavioral or substance abuse issues..."...Ha! I should mention that to my son's friend who was caught dealing pot out of his locker at Chaminade. Please..kids are kids. The selection process at Chaminade has no way of knowing who will do what and when. It's spitting in the wind. Parents make their choices for whatever works for their family. To say that Chaminade is immune from behavioral and substance abuse issues due to their selection process is just wrong. Be real. What goes on in any school has nothing to do with the selection process. We all make our choices and hope for the best. But...good kids from good families sometimes make really stupid decisions. I don't think that is limited to what school they attend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/12/14 12:40 AM
Northport has the following going to d1 schools and they just play for Northport

2 Maryland
1 UNC
1 Binghamton
1 Stonybrook

Plus many other D2 and d3 commitments.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/12/14 12:48 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are out of your mind if you think public school on LI are superior to Chaminade.....The overall "product" produced at Chaminade (athletics, academics, discipline, character, etc.) is just not found elsewhere. If you want to save your money that is fine but don't start with the nonsense hating.
Before BOTC responds to these points, let us up front say that we are only responding to provide counterpoint to why many of these arguments are pointless. Consider these points.
  • Academics - Should we measure academic achievement through Advanced Placement exam results, number of participants, or SAT/ACT performance? Should we examine the results from Intel and Siemens competitions? How about attendance at National Youth Leadership Forums in Washington DC and elsewhere? Our point here is that any of these metrics can be made to say exactly what I want when I need the details.
  • Diversity - Many universities are stressing diversity in their class selection including regions, race, culture, and many other elements. Is a self-selected, all-boys environment the best one in which to prepare for the diversity associated with a university environment?
  • Discipline - If you want to stress that element, would a military education be superior? Does the fact that everyone wears a uniform define discipline?
  • Character - How does one "measure" character? How do you know one is superior to another? Isn't character more developed at home rather than at school?
Our point is that the best at one High School surely out-performs the worst at another making all of the generalizations pointless. After all, one cannot point to statistics that espouse individual drive in college as being the critical success factor and then argue that somehow that factor does not exist at the scholastic level.


On some level I agree on the academics piece, but not your comments about diversity, discipline and character. As to diversity, many would argue single-sex education is the best way to prepare young men and women because it allows them to be themselves and put aside all the adolescent games that can interfere with learning in the classroom. Nor is discipline at Chaminade the result of a uniform. It is taught by enforcing a code of conduct in the school, holding kids accountable for their actions and giving them a volume of work that demands discipline. When you have all that you grow up. I don't analogize it to the military, as you did, but West Point is consistently ranked among the top educational institutions in the country. They also, I think, have a pretty good record of churning out leaders year in and year out. Lastly, I agree character is more developed at home (hopefully) but there is no denying that the lessons reinforced at a place like Chaminade are key in terms of shaping the young men that go there. That is why I said the overall "product", in my opinion, is second to none on LI. Others can disageee, and that is fine, but what I realy was responding to was the "save your money" nonnsense. It may not be for you and your kid, but if you don't recognize what is happening at places like Chaminade you haven't been paying attention.


Recognize what is happening at Chaminade?? If they are so great, where are their Intel and Siemans finalists? You would think such a fine, disiplined program woould represent at the most presigious scinece competitions. I still stick to the fact that many LI public school districts are out performing Chaminade in many areas. As for character and disipline, as stated, it begins at home. Just because a kid goes Chaminade does not inatanly give them character. Private may be a good choice if you come from a medocre district, but otherwise a waste of money.


I come from a very good district and still choose to sent mine to a Catholic and I don't find it a waste of my money. You really should not tell people how to spend their money much like i would never tell you how to spend yours. i think your example is a bad one anyway. Only a hand full of kids get Intel or Siemens and that is not indicative of the district as a whole but rather of those individual students. You should look at the % going to 2 and 4 year colleges and the quality of the schools they are going too. Once you do that i think you will find the publics are not out performing St A's or Chaminade.


Do you not realize that the public schools allow ALL the kids in that town to go to said school. Hence, no district as a whole could measure up to the hand selected student body at a Chaminade. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they don't take students that struggle for whatever reason. Nor do they take kids with behavioral or substance abuse issues. They take the top scorers on the test. Yet somehow many districts have incredible graduation rates as well as high percentages of students going to 4 year schools, that rival the privates. Point is the average kid who goes to Cham most likely would do just as well academically if they stayed public. Much less to do with the school, much more to do with student selection process.


yes i do and that is exactly the point. would rather have my kid competing academically in that environment which by your admission is more competitive than one where "everyone" can go.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/12/14 02:30 AM
Measure academics you ask? Well, measure them like ALL colleges do: GPA associated with college profile, and SAT/ACT


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are out of your mind if you think public school on LI are superior to Chaminade.....The overall "product" produced at Chaminade (athletics, academics, discipline, character, etc.) is just not found elsewhere. If you want to save your money that is fine but don't start with the nonsense hating.
Before BOTC responds to these points, let us up front say that we are only responding to provide counterpoint to why many of these arguments are pointless. Consider these points.
  • Academics - Should we measure academic achievement through Advanced Placement exam results, number of participants, or SAT/ACT performance? Should we examine the results from Intel and Siemens competitions? How about attendance at National Youth Leadership Forums in Washington DC and elsewhere? Our point here is that any of these metrics can be made to say exactly what I want when I need the details.
  • Diversity - Many universities are stressing diversity in their class selection including regions, race, culture, and many other elements. Is a self-selected, all-boys environment the best one in which to prepare for the diversity associated with a university environment?
  • Discipline - If you want to stress that element, would a military education be superior? Does the fact that everyone wears a uniform define discipline?
  • Character - How does one "measure" character? How do you know one is superior to another? Isn't character more developed at home rather than at school?
Our point is that the best at one High School surely out-performs the worst at another making all of the generalizations pointless. After all, one cannot point to statistics that espouse individual drive in college as being the critical success factor and then argue that somehow that factor does not exist at the scholastic leve