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Posted By: CageSage Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/08/13 04:51 PM
BOTC is opening our Fall 2013 through Summer 2014 thread covering the Boys 2021 (5th Grade) age group.

In order to introduce this year's thread, we are categorizing this age group's tryouts by date.

8/24, Outlaws, 1:00pm

9/7, fl$, 11:00am
9/7, Team 91, 12:00pm
9/7, Turf Island, 4:00pm
9/7, Revolution, 6:00pm
9/7, Blaze, 7:15pm
9/7, Team Igloo

9/8, fl$, 11:00am
9/8, Team Igloo

9/14, Legacy, 10:45am
9/14, Team 91, 12:00pm
9/14, Outlaws, 12:30pm
9/14, Jesters, 8:30pm
9/14, Team Igloo

9/15, Jesters, 8:30pm
9/15, Team Igloo

9/21, True Blue, 1:00pm

9/22, Legacy, 10:45am
9/22, True Blue, 4:00pm
9/22, Recon, 6:30pm

10/5, Revolution, 3:00pm
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/09/13 09:43 PM
Cage,

Thanks. Very usefull list. Would be even better if some one could drop in the tryout cost or total tuition for each program. Talk about eye opening.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/11/13 12:36 PM
From what I can gather, some clubs dont have this info up yet

Igloo 2200 Helmet, gloves, sweats, uni, bag 14 2 hour winter sessions. 6 winter games, 10 spring games, 5 spring tournaments. I believe the roster stays under 20

legacy 1450 Helmet, gloves, bag uni , 12 prac 5 tourneys roster of 20

Riptide 995 pinnie, shirt , 6 tournaments 12 practices free speed school

Outlaws 1900 uni, helmet 6 tourneys, 16 practices, spring league roster of under 24

91 1425 gloves, uni 2 day camp 14 practices 5 tourneys
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/12/13 06:14 PM
anyone agree or disagree ?

2021 team ranking

91 orange
igloo
express wolverines
turf island A
team LI A
tomahawks
true blue
dune dawgs
91 white
riptide
jesters
outlaws
legacy
millon force
rough riders


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/12/13 07:18 PM
Each program is killing the other.all tryouts on same days its stupid.especially if you are a smaller outfit.
wait until end of Sept to scoop up those that rushed into the cesspool
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/12/13 07:58 PM
Your rankings are way off!!!! Try again...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/12/13 08:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
anyone agree or disagree ?

2021 team ranking

91 orange
igloo
express wolverines
turf island A
team LI A
tomahawks
true blue
dune dawgs
91 white
riptide
jesters
outlaws
legacy
millon force
rough riders

DISAgree Igloo is much better than Team 91 orange. Team LI beat 91 orange in the last tourney.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 12:55 AM
Does this ranking affect next year's draft order?
Get a grip. Season's over. This was posted by obvious 91 peps.
91 orange is the bestest. And coolestest. And orangest.
Enjoy the summer!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 01:12 AM
Again, funny stuff!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 01:31 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
anyone agree or disagree ?

2021 team ranking

91 orange
igloo
express wolverines
turf island A
team LI A
tomahawks
true blue
dune dawgs
91 white
riptide
jesters
outlaws
legacy
millon force
rough riders

DISAgree Igloo is much better than Team 91 orange. Team LI beat 91 orange in the last tourney.


Where do Wildcatz fit in?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 01:58 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
anyone agree or disagree ?

2021 team ranking

91 orange
igloo
express wolverines
turf island A
team LI A
tomahawks
true blue
dune dawgs
91 white
riptide
jesters
outlaws
legacy
millon force
rough riders

DISAgree Igloo is much better than Team 91 orange. Team LI beat 91 orange in the last tourney.


Where do Wildcatz fit in?


Igloo has never lost in a tournament to 91 or any other team on the list but if I were wearing 91 glasses I would agree with the list....btw...91 is behind team LI and wildlatz and turf island. But again those expensive funny looking 91 glasses can aler your view.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 10:36 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
anyone agree or disagree ?

2021 team ranking

91 orange
igloo
express wolverines
turf island A
team LI A
tomahawks
true blue
dune dawgs
91 white
riptide
jesters
outlaws
legacy
millon force
rough riders

DISAgree Igloo is much better than Team 91 orange. Team LI beat 91 orange in the last tourney.


Where do Wildcatz fit in?


True Rankings
1. igloo
2. 91 orange
3. Team LI
4. Express Wolverines
5. Wildcats
6. Turf Island "A" ???
7. LI Tomahawks
8. Jesters
9. Legacy
10. Havoc/DD
11. Riptide
12. True Blue
13. 91"white"
14. Outlaws
Rough riders
Millon Force
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 02:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
anyone agree or disagree ?

2021 team ranking

91 orange
igloo
express wolverines
turf island A
team LI A
tomahawks
true blue
dune dawgs
91 white
riptide
jesters
outlaws
legacy
millon force
rough riders

DISAgree Igloo is much better than Team 91 orange. Team LI beat 91 orange in the last tourney.


Where do Wildcatz fit in?


True Rankings
1. igloo
2. 91 orange
3. Team LI
4. Express Wolverines
5. Wildcats
6. Turf Island "A" ???
7. LI Tomahawks
8. Jesters
9. Legacy
10. Havoc/DD
11. Riptide
12. True Blue
13. 91"white"
14. Outlaws
Rough riders
Millon Force


I think that this is a pretty fair order! Although Team Long Island could be placed ahead of 91.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 04:49 PM
I agree....Team LI 2021 could be placed 2nd above 91. The rest of the list looks fair!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 05:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree....Team LI 2021 could be placed 2nd above 91. The rest of the list looks fair!!


Fair But I would switch spots with Riptide and Lagacy then drop Lagacy behind True Blue.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 05:12 PM
Saw True Blue play and they are better than Riptide and Jesters but probably got hurt playing in A tournaments. Just an observation have no horse in this race.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 10:46 PM
Express shouldn't even be in the top five...and wildkatz need to move down a few
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/14/13 12:44 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express shouldn't even be in the top five...and wildkatz need to move down a few


I dont know about Express not being top 5 , if we say for the sake of argument that Igloo, 91 , Turf Island are better thats only 3. They beat TLI . WHo bumos them out of the top 5?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/14/13 01:19 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express shouldn't even be in the top five...and wildkatz need to move down a few


I dont know about Express not being top 5 , if we say for the sake of argument that Igloo, 91 , Turf Island are better thats only 3. They beat TLI . WHo bumos them out of the top 5?

Heard turf island 2021 "a" team is splitting up. Any truth to that?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/14/13 01:29 AM
No you're wrong about that.

If you were at the the Stony Brook Lax Clash and saw how close the games were, it was great. Express Wolverines, 91, and Team LI, CT Chargers...One team beating another in different combinations so nobody was technically on top the first day. Mostly two goal games against each other.

Team LI beat 91
Express Wolverines beat Team LI
91 beat Express

It really was a perfect weekend of competition and any given day any team would have won. Exactly what this level of play is all about, for 2021 kids. Fun, tight games, that aren't blow outs, with sportsmanship all around.

Big shout out to all the teams. This year Team LI earned the big day on Sunday. Kudos to you guys, great job.

....now don't try to ruin it with any negative posts...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/14/13 02:24 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No you're wrong about that.

If you were at the the Stony Brook Lax Clash and saw how close the games were, it was great. Express Wolverines, 91, and Team LI, CT Chargers...One team beating another in different combinations so nobody was technically on top the first day. Mostly two goal games against each other.

Team LI beat 91
Express Wolverines beat Team LI
91 beat Express

It really was a perfect weekend of competition and any given day any team would have won. Exactly what this level of play is all about, for 2021 kids. Fun, tight games, that aren't blow outs, with sportsmanship all around.

Big shout out to all the teams. This year Team LI earned the big day on Sunday. Kudos to you guys, great job.

....now don't try to ruin it with any negative posts...


And Igloo beat them all at one time or another!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/14/13 10:38 PM
Lol...igloo beat them yet are still holding tryouts. Obviously some holes in their line up. Maybe instead of constantly pointing out who they beat you should worry about whether or not its your kid they're looking to replace.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/15/13 12:36 AM
Wildkatz beat express easily indoors over the winter
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/15/13 01:25 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lol...igloo beat them yet are still holding tryouts. Obviously some holes in their line up. Maybe instead of constantly pointing out who they beat you should worry about whether or not its your kid they're looking to replace.



Maybe, maybe not. Maybe a few kids who are in the bottom of Igloos talent pool want to go somewhere else and be top dog. Maybe they systematically do tryouts every year to assure getting the best available 20 kids . In any case, hats off to them , they are the best at their age right now
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/15/13 01:35 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wildkatz beat express easily indoors over the winter


Everyone knows that Express split there team in half, alternating odd even weeks, for the winter season so you only faced half their team. the Wildcatz have been spouting this crap since before the travel season started, Bottom line, they couldnt beat any of the top A teams in a real game and they played in B bracket all year. As much as I hate Express please don't come on here and say your better then them, you not.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/15/13 01:39 AM
Tweaked new 2021 Rankings

1. igloo
2. Team LI
3. 91 orange
4. Express Wolverines
5. Turf Island A
6. Wildcatz
7. LI Tomahawks
8. Jesters
9. Riptide
10. Havoc/DD
11. True Blue
12. 91"white"
13. Outlaws
14. Legacy
Rough riders
Millon Force
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/15/13 01:41 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lol...igloo beat them yet are still holding tryouts. Obviously some holes in their line up. Maybe instead of constantly pointing out who they beat you should worry about whether or not its your kid they're looking to replace.


All the teams are holding Tryouts. Nothing wrong with getting better like the others.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/15/13 02:08 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wildkatz beat express easily indoors over the winter


How does one tryout for the Wildkatz? Where do they practice and what do you get at what cost? Is it full year? who would I contact ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/15/13 02:37 AM
JSwap Jesters and 91 White. , put the Yellow Jackets above the Outlaws and your right on
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tweaked new 2021 Rankings .

1. igloo
2. Team LI
3. 91 orange
4. Express Wolverines
5. Turf Island A
6. Wildcatz
7. LI Tomahawks
8. Jesters
9. Riptide
10. Havoc/DD
11. True Blue
12. 91"white"
13. Outlaws
14. Legacy
Rough riders
Millon Force
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/15/13 04:25 AM
Wildkatz and turf island tied at 91 tournament at farmingdale in summer. I saw the game - wildkatz got the better of them. They're better than turf island even though turf island is a very good team and very well coached.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/15/13 04:35 AM
They had there full team - it was a scrimmage. They lost and gotten beaten up - wasnt even close.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/15/13 05:06 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They had there full team - it was a scrimmage. They lost and gotten beaten up - wasnt even close.


What teams are you talking about?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/15/13 12:04 PM
woldkats beat express
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/15/13 12:32 PM
C'mon wildcats...we played both you and express, express is better...your on the cusp of an "A" team....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/15/13 12:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
woldkats beat express



When ? In the winter when EXpress splt their roster into two teams and rotated their players ? YOur a B team, you played B bracket all year. You have not beaten an A team in a tournament all summer PERIOD
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/15/13 12:46 PM
Who are the Wildcatz and where are they based. Can't find anything on BOTC
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/15/13 12:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lol...igloo beat them yet are still holding tryouts. Obviously some holes in their line up. Maybe instead of constantly pointing out who they beat you should worry about whether or not its your kid they're looking to replace.


Stupid comment, every team has tryouts to pick the top players regardless of how good their team was the prior year. Every year some players dont return and better ones come along for ALL teams. I dont think parents of 10 year olds should spend too much time worrying about whether theur kid will be replaced. There are 20 good teams out there. Every kid finds a good team for him or her.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/15/13 02:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
woldkats beat express



When ? In the winter when EXpress splt their roster into two teams and rotated their players ? YOur a B team, you played B bracket all year. You have not beaten an A team in a tournament all summer PERIOD


Wildkats played "B" 1 time this year and it was a mistake. They killed every team and played a close game to a very tough 2022 Smash team in Stony Brook in which they won. Every other tournament they entered they played in "A" and did pretty well. Every time they played igloo they lost but the games were very close. Same with 91 orange except for the 1 playoff game in Farmingdale were Orange won 6-0. WIldkats tied a very good Turf Island team 6-6 this summer. Its hard to get a good indicator because very few teams enter the "A" bracket. Every tournament there are 15-20 teams in "B" and maybe 4-6 teams in "A". Give them some time. That team is not even a year old. As long as the bigger more well know travel teams don't pick off the 8-9 good players they have and they can add a few pieces they will be very dangerous.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/15/13 06:01 PM
The above stuff was helpful and I think we all have an idea where all the teams fall give or take a few spots. Now with tryout season next month I hope that all you fine people can tell us about your team, What you got for your money this past year, the level of coaching, playing time, how many kids on the team, director info and if you would recommend your respective teams to others. This will help parents thinking of which teams to tryout for and for coaches/directors to see how they did this year and where to improve.

I will start with the 2021 Tomahawks: The program is a summer program with 8 to 10 summer practices and 4 tourneys. You are provided game shorts, game jersey and a shooting shirt for I think it was $975. However the coach added on his own a winter league and two more tournements for $180. So with tryouts the cost was about $1100. The coaches were great and all the kids got a lot better as did the team by the end of the summer. We had about 18 kids on the team and playing time was NOT even. They had great defense and middies but the attack could have been great too if the attack had more equal playing time. The attack players were all equal playing levels but some were on the field far too long. The director was not involved with this team at all. I hope next year he pays more attention to the team as he did with other teams. All the parents were great too with no fights or drama. I hope the "A" clubs don't take away our best 6 kids (middies and one attack & defenseman)so we can build for next year. I would recomend this team to anyone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/15/13 07:42 PM
Never heard anything good about the organization director of these mighty wildkatz. Always a problem. I believe PAL banished him to bogeyland last year or the year before.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/15/13 08:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who are the Wildcatz and where are they based. Can't find anything on BOTC


Try-out info just posted as its own thread.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/16/13 02:04 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lol...igloo beat them yet are still holding tryouts. Obviously some holes in their line up. Maybe instead of constantly pointing out who they beat you should worry about whether or not its your kid they're looking to replace.



Maybe, maybe not. Maybe a few kids who are in the bottom of Igloos talent pool want to go somewhere else and be top dog. Maybe they systematically do tryouts every year to assure getting the best available 20 kids . In any case, hats off to them , they are the best at their age right now



Yes they are, but if you're the best and your coaches are the best maybe you should work those kids at the bottom. I mean its not like they play everyone anyway
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/16/13 11:32 AM
Where do the Wildcatz practice?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/16/13 04:48 PM
The Few times I have spoken with the Wildkatz coach and some parents it became clear what this team wants to do. They feel they are able to push around the top teams not only on Long Island but in other states as well. I did see a few Wildkatz games against some of Long Island's elite or "A" teams and the WildKatz bullied them. The other teams defense did not want any body contact with the Wildkatz players. They know this is the way to win and they are looking for even bigger tougher players in this years tryouts! It will be fun to see if this works for them next year as it did this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/16/13 05:00 PM
The way to win? What have they won so far? Skillful players and teamwork win games. Wildkatz is a "B" level team and always will be with that approach.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/16/13 05:16 PM
There is nothing wrong with a physical lacrosse team. So long as they keep it clean. Are you claiming they take cheat shots? Does anyone know the whereabouts they practice? Or is it a secret Katz-cave? Anyone willing to share experiences other then boasting?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/16/13 06:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Few times I have spoken with the Wildkatz coach and some parents it became clear what this team wants to do. They feel they are able to push around the top teams not only on Long Island but in other states as well. I did see a few Wildkatz games against some of Long Island's elite or "A" teams and the WildKatz bullied them. The other teams defense did not want any body contact with the Wildkatz players. They know this is the way to win and they are looking for even bigger tougher players in this years tryouts! It will be fun to see if this works for them next year as it did this year.


This is getting a little out of hand now.

<<Note to Readers : The remainder of this post has been removed as we have confirmed that the poster was NOT a part of the Wild Katz program and had posted incorrect information. That poster has subsequently lost access rights to BOTC.>>
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/16/13 07:07 PM
My son is not on this team but I spoke with the coach a few weeks ago and he told me they start after football season.The winter stuff is indoors and in Hauppauge and they join a league but I'm not sure if they also practice in the winter or just do the league . They Join a spring league in Oyster Bay. Spring/ Summer practices are held in Center Moriches. He said in all they do 50 practices a year, Spring and winter Leagues and I think he said 6 summer turnaments some out of state. He said the cost is $750. Tryouts is $25. Again I am not with this team but most of the info should be correct. Also he said what the other post states that they want to be a big tough talented team to beat the Elite teams.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/16/13 09:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is getting a little out of hand now.
Dear "Assistant Coach" : Please contact us immediately here at BOTC either via a private message or via our e-mail address at cagesage@backofthecage.com.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/16/13 10:28 PM
I have seen this Wildkatz team play. They are big and they have big aggressive Kids that get to the cage and can't be stopped by a defense that does not check very hard and clean. The elite teams defense had a lot of trouble stopping them from getting to the cage in the games I saw even though the elite teams had a lot more talent. We will see what happens this comming year if the elite don't find a way to counter this somehow.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/16/13 10:31 PM
why do I get the feeling that most of these post are coming from some one not associated with the wild kats.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/17/13 12:00 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Dear "Assistant Coach" : Please contact us immediately here at BOTC either via a private message or via our e-mail address at cagesage@backofthecage.com.
why do I get the feeling that most of these post are coming from some one not associated with the wild kats.
Trust me - when BOTC sets out to identify an "Assistant Coach", we never fail.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/17/13 01:25 AM
BOTC spoke via e-mail with a staff representative from the Wild Katz and confirmed that the malicious and offensive posts were not associated with the team. We have now remediated the situation and consider that part of the Boys 2021 discussion closed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/17/13 02:59 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express shouldn't even be in the top five...and wildkatz need to move down a few


I dont know about Express not being top 5 , if we say for the sake of argument that Igloo, 91 , Turf Island are better thats only 3. They beat TLI . WHo bumos them out of the top 5?

Heard turf island 2021 "a" team is splitting up. Any truth to that?

Their coach has his picture on the website for a newly formed group. I would assume the Rockville Centre kids are following him there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/17/13 04:09 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express shouldn't even be in the top five...and wildkatz need to move down a few


I dont know about Express not being top 5 , if we say for the sake of argument that Igloo, 91 , Turf Island are better thats only 3. They beat TLI . WHo bumos them out of the top 5?

Heard turf island 2021 "a" team is splitting up. Any truth to that?

Their coach has his picture on the website for a newly formed group. I would assume the Rockville Centre kids are following him there.


Did any of the kids stay with Turf Island?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 12:48 PM
What happened to the 2021 Tomahawks? I heard the coaches left and the best players are already on other teams. I was at the Jesters tryout yesterday and spoke with a Tomahawk parent who did not know much about the situation. From reading BOTC everyone thought they were very good this past Summer. Who will be the coach and what talent is left?
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 12:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened to the 2021 Tomahawks? I heard the coaches left and the best players are already on other teams. I was at the Jesters tryout yesterday and spoke with a Tomahawk parent who did not know much about the situation. From reading BOTC everyone thought they were very good this past Summer. Who will be the coach and what talent is left?
Unfortunately, BOTC did not hear from the Tomahawks during this tryout season so we have no visibility into what happened with any of their age groups. There were several attempts to add information to their 2012 tryouts thread which eventually forced us to lock the thread.

We can point out that when communication typically halts, there are some type of management changes behind the scenes which creates a void inside the club. That might or might not be the case here, but it will take individual parents involved with their teams to share the updates.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 01:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened to the 2021 Tomahawks? I heard the coaches left and the best players are already on other teams. I was at the Jesters tryout yesterday and spoke with a Tomahawk parent who did not know much about the situation. From reading BOTC everyone thought they were very good this past Summer. Who will be the coach and what talent is left?


I know a some of their better players where at Jesters tryouts. Heard the Tomahawks had a pretty good team last year, not sure why they broke up with the coach leaving but if the Jesters pick up a few of those players they will have a stronger team building on what they did last year
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 05:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened to the 2021 Tomahawks? I heard the coaches left and the best players are already on other teams. I was at the Jesters tryout yesterday and spoke with a Tomahawk parent who did not know much about the situation. From reading BOTC everyone thought they were very good this past Summer. Who will be the coach and what talent is left?


I know a some of their better players where at Jesters tryouts. Heard the Tomahawks had a pretty good team last year, not sure why they broke up with the coach leaving but if the Jesters pick up a few of those players they will have a stronger team building on what they did last year


Tomahawks had a bunch of "A" to elite players. Where did they go? I know it could not be the Jesters.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 06:21 PM
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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 06:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened to the 2021 Tomahawks? I heard the coaches left and the best players are already on other teams. I was at the Jesters tryout yesterday and spoke with a Tomahawk parent who did not know much about the situation. From reading BOTC everyone thought they were very good this past Summer. Who will be the coach and what talent is left?


I know a some of their better players where at Jesters tryouts. Heard the Tomahawks had a pretty good team last year, not sure why they broke up with the coach leaving but if the Jesters pick up a few of those players they will have a stronger team building on what they did last year


Tomahawks had a bunch of "A" to elite players. Where did they go? I know it could not be the Jesters.


yep -
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 06:55 PM
The 2021 Tomahawks team had a very good B+ team last season. The head coach is not returning and the assistant has moved onto another program. The majority of kids from last years team have already committed to other programs. The kids follow their town coaches and unfortunately they have moved on. Tomahawks are good people and they will surely have a program for 2021, it just depends on who the coaches are to draw kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 06:57 PM
Igloo and fl$ have taken the top several.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 07:45 PM
I know the players you are talking about. None of them tried out for the jesters. I was told a few are already on two or three teams. They are not returning to the Tomahawks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 08:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo and fl$ have taken the top several.


fl$ has never had been a strong youth program and most won't go in that direction. They are very good at the old levels where they have historically done well. Jesters won the fl$ tournmenet for the last 2 years with fl$ in the mix...Also for Tony Barron left fl$ to become the 2-5 grade Youth Director for Jesters- says something...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 08:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know the players you are talking about. None of them tried out for the jesters. I was told a few are already on two or three teams. They are not returning to the Tomahawks.


If they are teams already - how can that be since the "better" clubs haven't all released there rosters at the time of this posting. If your thinking Express B or C - Jester competed with them and beat them in a few meetings.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 09:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo and fl$ have taken the top several.


fl$ has never had been a strong youth program and most won't go in that direction. They are very good at the old levels where they have historically done well. Jesters won the fl$ tournmenet for the last 2 years with fl$ in the mix...Also for Tony Barron left fl$ to become the 2-5 grade Youth Director for Jesters- says something...


I don't have a horse in this race but you are talking about the fl$ LIte team that has no cuts and everyone plays equal.This year fl$ had Cuts so it is not the same program or team. Double check your facts on who won 2021 division at the fl$ Tournement. I may be wrong but I remember it being fl$ and I also remember the jesters had a 6-6 tie (very early morning game) with the fl$ LITE non cut everyone plays equal time team. So it would not surprise me if some of the tomahawks elite players went to fl$. Last year does not matter and does not reflect what will happen next summer as you know the Jesters lost thier best players also. One may argue that it seems like Jesters and fl$ are going in different directions. Good luck to all the kids and teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 10:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Igloo and fl$ have taken the top several.


fl$ has never had been a strong youth program and most won't go in that direction. They are very good at the old levels where they have historically done well. Jesters won the fl$ tournmenet for the last 2 years with fl$ in the mix...Also for Tony Barron left fl$ to become the 2-5 grade Youth Director for Jesters- says something...



Some parents have no clue. They win a consolation game and they think they won the tourney. Here are the results from the the fl$ tourney which fl$ did win with a none select team with equal play time:

A
1
TEAM 91-2021
2
PATRIOT 2021
3
EXPRESS-2021TERPS
4
JESTERS 2021
5
PRIMETIME 2021
6
fl$-2021 NAVY


GAME # DATE TIME HOME VISITORS LOCATION
910164 SA JUN 15
7:00 AM
fl$-2021 NAVY - 6 JESTERS 2021 - 6 MF 1
910165 SA JUN 15
7:00 AM
PATRIOT 2021 - 4 PRIMETIME 2021 - 7 MF 2
910163 SA JUN 15
7:00 AM
TEAM 91-2021 - 12 EXPRESS-2021TERPS - 4 MF 3
910168 SA JUN 15
9:00 AM
fl$-2021 NAVY - 3 PRIMETIME 2021 - 2 MF 1
910167 SA JUN 15
9:00 AM
PATRIOT 2021 - 10 EXPRESS-2021TERPS - 3 MF 2
910166 SA JUN 15
9:00 AM
TEAM 91-2021 - 3 JESTERS 2021 - 5 MF 3
910171 SA JUN 15
11:00 AM
fl$-2021 NAVY - 15 EXPRESS-2021TERPS - 1 MF 1
910170 SA JUN 15
11:00 AM
PATRIOT 2021 - 6 JESTERS 2021 - 4 MF 2
910169 SA JUN 15
11:00 AM
TEAM 91-2021 - 6 PRIMETIME 2021 - 10 MF 3
• • CONSOLATION • •
910172 SU JUN 16
7:00 AM
PATRIOT 2021 - 7 JESTERS 2021 - 9 MF 1
910174 SU JUN 16
7:00 AM
TEAM 91-2021 - 13 EXPRESS-2021TERPS - 2 MF 4
• • CHAMPIONSHIP • •
910173 SU JUN 16
7:00 AM
fl$-2021 NAVY - 7 PRIMETIME 2021 - 4 MF 7
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 10:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo and fl$ have taken the top several.


fl$ has never had been a strong youth program and most won't go in that direction. They are very good at the old levels where they have historically done well. Jesters won the fl$ tournmenet for the last 2 years with fl$ in the mix...Also for Tony Barron left fl$ to become the 2-5 grade Youth Director for Jesters- says something...


I don't have a horse in this race but you are talking about the fl$ LIte team that has no cuts and everyone plays equal.This year fl$ had Cuts so it is not the same program or team. Double check your facts on who won 2021 division at the fl$ Tournement. I may be wrong but I remember it being fl$ and I also remember the jesters had a 6-6 tie (very early morning game) with the fl$ LITE non cut everyone plays equal time team. So it would not surprise me if some of the tomahawks elite players went to fl$. Last year does not matter and does not reflect what will happen next summer as you know the Jesters lost thier best players also. One may argue that it seems like Jesters and fl$ are going in different directions. Good luck to all the kids and teams.


Someone without a horse in the race has allot to say and a quoted fact checker. There term elite here is relative - we aren't talking 91 orange players. Come on stop building up fl$ just because your kid now plays for them and 91, Express and all the other clubs haven't selected their teams yet.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 10:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo and fl$ have taken the top several.


fl$ has never had been a strong youth program and most won't go in that direction. They are very good at the old levels where they have historically done well. Jesters won the fl$ tournmenet for the last 2 years with fl$ in the mix...Also for Tony Barron left fl$ to become the 2-5 grade Youth Director for Jesters- says something...


I don't have a horse in this race but you are talking about the fl$ LIte team that has no cuts and everyone plays equal.This year fl$ had Cuts so it is not the same program or team. Double check your facts on who won 2021 division at the fl$ Tournement. I may be wrong but I remember it being fl$ and I also remember the jesters had a 6-6 tie (very early morning game) with the fl$ LITE non cut everyone plays equal time team. So it would not surprise me if some of the tomahawks elite players went to fl$. Last year does not matter and does not reflect what will happen next summer as you know the Jesters lost thier best players also. One may argue that it seems like Jesters and fl$ are going in different directions. Good luck to all the kids and teams.


If Jesters lost their best players their where then some very good players at the tryouts, day one drills with really good ball movement and some very skilled players, day two scrimmage and saw some pretty strong players - I think they will be fine. Love people who take out of the sides if their mouth to build up a team and tear down another for the sake of building their own ego and false perception of own kids place in the world of travel lacrosse
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 03:43 AM
I know and found out today that some the best Tomahawk players are already with other teams. A few of them (not sure how many) went to fl$ and 2 of them found out today they made Igloo. That does not mean there are none left. I'm sure some are trying out for the Jesters. So everyone please calm down. That Tomahawk team had many great players just no depth. To answer the original question it seems none of the top Tomahawk players for 2021 are returning. Lets end this topic now since the original question was answered.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 11:41 AM
I know Tomahawk parents don't like the drama in youth lacrosse. All the parents were respectful and nice as were the kids on that 2021 team. To all those Tomahawk parents that are going to switch to the Jesters I think you should read the Jesters thread about what happened to the 2021 Jesters team this past summer. Kind of shocking. Also look at this thread and see how the Jesters parents reacted to a simple question about where the Tomahawk players are going.I think you are better off with the Tomahawks. Avoid the drama and stay with the Tomahawks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 12:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know Tomahawk parents don't like the drama in youth lacrosse. All the parents were respectful and nice as were the kids on that 2021 team. To all those Tomahawk parents that are going to switch to the Jesters I think you should read the Jesters thread about what happened to the 2021 Jesters team this past summer. Kind of shocking. Also look at this thread and see how the Jesters parents reacted to a simple question about where the Tomahawk players are going.I think you are better off with the Tomahawks. Avoid the drama and stay with the Tomahawks.


And you believe everything you read?

What happened to jesters 2021 this past summer? The won championship in 3 out of 5 tournaments and progressed well individually and as a team. This coming year some of the younger 2022's that played with 2021 last year will drop down to the appropriate jester's 2022 team.

You mention tomahawk parents don't like drama. Apparently you like encouraging it.

Jester's 2021 will build from last year and be even stronger, good kids and good people.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 12:40 PM
A Every strong B team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 12:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know Tomahawk parents don't like the drama in youth lacrosse. All the parents were respectful and nice as were the kids on that 2021 team. To all those Tomahawk parents that are going to switch to the Jesters I think you should read the Jesters thread about what happened to the 2021 Jesters team this past summer. Kind of shocking. Also look at this thread and see how the Jesters parents reacted to a simple question about where the Tomahawk players are going.I think you are better off with the Tomahawks. Avoid the drama and stay with the Tomahawks.


And you believe everything you read?

What happened to jesters 2021 this past summer? The won championship in 3 out of 5 tournaments and progressed well individually and as a team. This coming year some of the younger 2022's that played with 2021 last year will drop down to the appropriate jester's 2022 team.

You mention tomahawk parents don't like drama. Apparently you like encouraging it.

Jester's 2021 will build from last year and be even stronger, good kids and good people.


Time to move on. Nice spirt which is good. We learned a lot about these teams. Everyone should make an informed decision before they select a team. What happened last year is just that last year. Read the threads on the Jesters and Tomahawks and look at what info seems credible and make a choice. Dont listen to most of this stuff. Parents here are comenting on kids they never saw play and have different definitions of what a good player is. So when someone says there was good talent at a tryout may hear another person look at that and say it was great talent and a third person may look and say that talent was not so good. OK so now we know two of the Better Tomahawk Players went to igloo. We also know a few more of the better tomahawk players went to fl$ apparently last week because that is when they had to put a deposit down. We know the Jesters had talent at tryouts this past weekend. Lets move on because at this point in time because parents of kids who still dont have a team are running out of options and should focus on choosing a team and those parents who have kids on a team should be looking at the practices thae are starting soon for those teams that are already selected. Good luck and make an informed decision.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 05:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 2021 Tomahawks team had a very good B+ team last season. The head coach is not returning and the assistant has moved onto another program. The majority of kids from last years team have already committed to other programs. The kids follow their town coaches and unfortunately they have moved on. Tomahawks are good people and they will surely have a program for 2021, it just depends on who the coaches are to draw kids.


Who will coach the 2021 Tomahawks?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 08:03 PM
Its gonna be a great year. Do we have an early prediction on who has the best chance of being the best team?

Any takers?

Igloo?
91 Orange?
Team LI?
Wildkats?
Express?

Will it come down to the defense/goaltending? If so its anyone's game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 09:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its gonna be a great year. Do we have an early prediction on who has the best chance of being the best team?

Any takers?

Igloo?
91 Orange?
Team LI?
Wildkats?
Express?



Will it come down to the defense/goaltending? If so its anyone's game.


ICON
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 10:28 PM
Us at igloo think we are supreme and above all.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 12:29 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its gonna be a great year. Do we have an early prediction on who has the best chance of being the best team?

Any takers?
I would say Igloo. next Team Long Island. The Express lost a lot of good players, Wildkatz where never as good as the others and their B bracket status shows that. Igloo seemed to be right there but how intact does the team stay? Look at Legacy, two B teams that merged Legacy/Riptide , throw in a few 91 players and some Express guys and they could be in the conversation.
Igloo?
91 Orange?
Team LI?
Wildkats?
Express?

Will it come down to the defense/goaltending? If so its anyone's game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 11:43 AM
Are you really serious about having this conversation about 2021 TEAMS. These kids are in 5th grade. Get clue in Life and lacrosse. You have too much free time on your hands.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 02:05 PM
I meant o say Turf Island , not Igloo as the team that seemed to be right there
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its gonna be a great year. Do we have an early prediction on who has the best chance of being the best team?

Any takers?
I would say Igloo. next Team Long Island. The Express lost a lot of good players, Wildkatz where never as good as the others and their B bracket status shows that. Igloo seemed to be right there but how intact does the team stay? Look at Legacy, two B teams that merged Legacy/Riptide , throw in a few 91 players and some Express guys and they could be in the conversation.
Igloo?
91 Orange?
Team LI?
Wildkats?
Express?

Will it come down to the defense/goaltending? If so its anyone's game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 06:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I meant o say Turf Island , not Igloo as the team that seemed to be right there
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its gonna be a great year. Do we have an early prediction on who has the best chance of being the best team?

Any takers?
I would say Igloo. next Team Long Island. The Express lost a lot of good players, Wildkatz where never as good as the others and their B bracket status shows that. Igloo seemed to be right there but how intact does the team stay? Look at Legacy, two B teams that merged Legacy/Riptide , throw in a few 91 players and some Express guys and they could be in the conversation.
Igloo?
91 Orange?
Team LI?
Wildkats?
Express?

Will it come down to the defense/goaltending? If so its anyone's game.

A number of 91 orange players left the team for other places because they didnt like one of the coaches. Orange might not be as good as everyone thinks. (91 should have changed the head parent coach)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 06:58 PM
My son will be on the Outlaws team, and we don't expect to be top 3 or top 5 this year, but we will get much better and can beat a team on any given Sunday. I've seen it before and by the time 7,8,9 grade come around the Outlaws will be top 3 and will be getting their kids recruited.

My point is don't take it too seriously in terms of tournament wins in 5th grade... look at player improvement and look at what the older teams are doing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 07:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son will be on the Outlaws team, and we don't expect to be top 3 or top 5 this year, but we will get much better and can beat a team on any given Sunday. I've seen it before and by the time 7,8,9 grade come around the Outlaws will be top 3 and will be getting their kids recruited.

My point is don't take it too seriously in terms of tournament wins in 5th grade... look at player improvement and look at what the older teams are doing.


This must be the same outlaw father from other threads....keep dreaming about your outlaw teams......they are not top teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 08:17 PM
I predict the 91 Orange team has an amazing year over the others. All kids will improve but collectively the talent is better this year than last. I am not saying there are gonna be blowouts (As some teams have near equal talent) but I suspect they will be putting up an 8 spot minimum in every game.

When do we start?

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 10:33 PM
91 Orange is now there b team. extreme is the A team.
Is that right? Who is going to Halloween Havoc in this age group?
That will be here before you know it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 12:57 AM
No This is 2021, your talking about an older grade
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 Orange is now there b team. extreme is the A team.
Is that right? Who is going to Halloween Havoc in this age group?
That will be here before you know it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 03:40 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son will be on the Outlaws team, and we don't expect to be top 3 or top 5 this year, but we will get much better and can beat a team on any given Sunday. I've seen it before and by the time 7,8,9 grade come around the Outlaws will be top 3 and will be getting their kids recruited.

My point is don't take it too seriously in terms of tournament wins in 5th grade... look at player improvement and look at what the older teams are doing.




This must be the same outlaw father from other threads....keep dreaming about your outlaw teams......they are not top teams


Someone said on one of those threads that this Outlaws team lost to average to below average PAL teams this past summer and the outlaw parent admitted it. That is a long way off from a top 3 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 12:44 PM
SUPREME LOSER THATS ABOUT IT. GET A LIFE!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 01:16 PM
While a top 3 team may be a stretch I believe his point is by the JV level this grade will shake out. The kids that were expecting to go to certain private schools based on playing for certain clubs or coaches will probably have moved on or are sitting on the bench. The single team clubs that seem to dominate the boards may or may not survive or be "merged" as they are still untested long term. The Outlaws are an established program and have been actively recruiting the players for years. So while this grade level may seem weaker today they could have completely different record and roster 3 years from now.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 03:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
While a top 3 team may be a stretch I believe his point is by the JV level this grade will shake out. The kids that were expecting to go to certain private schools based on playing for certain clubs or coaches will probably have moved on or are sitting on the bench. The single team clubs that seem to dominate the boards may or may not survive or be "merged" as they are still untested long term. The Outlaws are an established program and have been actively recruiting the players for years. So while this grade level may seem weaker today they could have completely different record and roster 3 years from now.


I would hope the plan is to develop the kids the outlaws have now rather then look to get rid of them 3 years from now when better kids come along. That would be awful if these kids on the team today are being used as fillers for the next 3 years. My son's team played them and they seemed like a nice bunch of kids and nice parents.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 04:48 PM
I agree that the Outlaws are an established program, and Pat Brennan seems to be an honest decent guy. That being said, they are 1900 bucks,Legacy run by former MLL Players is 1300 . Now the Outlaws do do a little bit more, but not 600 dollars worth. And there coaches have better resumes as well as parent asst coaches who will do extra practices. The Outlaws younger kids are parent coaches with a college kid there for the summer. (please do not take this to mean that they dont have good coaches, just not with the same resume) Theres a reason Legacy has had far greater numbers at its tryouts. Now Zummo may be going bargain basement prices until he gets established. But if he runs an equivalent program for far far less I see trouble in SIlver and Black land .


Originally Posted by Anonymous
While a top 3 team may be a stretch I believe his point is by the JV level this grade will shake out. The kids that were expecting to go to certain private schools based on playing for certain clubs or coaches will probably have moved on or are sitting on the bench. The single team clubs that seem to dominate the boards may or may not survive or be "merged" as they are still untested long term. The Outlaws are an established program and have been actively recruiting the players for years. So while this grade level may seem weaker today they could have completely different record and roster 3 years from now.
Lastly, what teh poster I quoted was saying was that they dont get their kids better late ron, that they add better kids later on to be competitive
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 07:31 PM
You cannot control other peoples actions, only your own. You might not feel a program is worth the money another person might.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 08:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son will be on the Outlaws team, and we don't expect to be top 3 or top 5 this year, but we will get much better and can beat a team on any given Sunday. I've seen it before and by the time 7,8,9 grade come around the Outlaws will be top 3 and will be getting their kids recruited.

My point is don't take it too seriously in terms of tournament wins in 5th grade... look at player improvement and look at what the older teams are doing.




This must be the same outlaw father from other threads....keep dreaming about your outlaw teams......they are not top teams


Someone said on one of those threads that this Outlaws team lost to average to below average PAL teams this past summer and the outlaw parent admitted it. That is a long way off from a top 3 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 08:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son will be on the Outlaws team, and we don't expect to be top 3 or top 5 this year, but we will get much better and can beat a team on any given Sunday. I've seen it before and by the time 7,8,9 grade come around the Outlaws will be top 3 and will be getting their kids recruited.

My point is don't take it too seriously in terms of tournament wins in 5th grade... look at player improvement and look at what the older teams are doing.


Before you

This must be the same outlaw father from other threads....keep dreaming about your outlaw teams......they are not top teams


Someone said on one of those threads that this Outlaws team lost to average to below average PAL teams this past summer and the outlaw parent admitted it. That is a long way off from a top 3 team.


Look at the 4 high school years as of now for Outlaws

2014- at least 20 college recruits and D1 kids approaching 15
2015- solid solid team, not amazing but a lot of D1 talent and commits
2016- great team, tons of D1 talent and a few D1 commits already
2017- good team that just jumped to great this year with addition of new kids while keepin the old kids on the team


What I am saying is they always improve in to premier teams by high school and THAT is when it counts for college. In 3-8 grade worry about your son making friends, becoming a better player and becoming a better kid


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/21/13 12:30 AM
And Apple stock kept going up, till it didnt. Past performance is no guarantee of future success . I would have to see how they did compared to Express or 91 first. I would have to know what colleges are grabbing good lax players or grabbing good students who also play lacrosse. If Igloo stays together you think colleges coaches wont know about them or contact them ? Clubs are srpinging up all over the place, Long Island is a hotspot for lax so plenty of good experience. Do we see a flaw or reason why Zummo will fail and not put forth a program that competes with 91, Express and Outlaws ? and if he does it at a better price ? How many kids get college offer because of their club team and not their HS team, or because they looked good at a showcase? Look at all the HS coaches starting to pressure kids into NOT playing club ball. Not to mention now everyone can film their kid and hire a recruiter . The business is always changing, good money will being in competition . This is not meant to be a slight on the Outlaws, just an honest look of the lay of the land. I also seem to keep hearing the common thred of the Outlaws adding their better players later on , not developing them Only time will tell how all these age groups and their respective organizations do.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son will be on the Outlaws team, and we don't expect to be top 3 or top 5 this year, but we will get much better and can beat a team on any given Sunday. I've seen it before and by the time 7,8,9 grade come around the Outlaws will be top 3 and will be getting their kids recruited.

My point is don't take it too seriously in terms of tournament wins in 5th grade... look at player improvement and look at what the older teams are doing.


Before you

This must be the same outlaw father from other threads....keep dreaming about your outlaw teams......they are not top teams


Someone said on one of those threads that this Outlaws team lost to average to below average PAL teams this past summer and the outlaw parent admitted it. That is a long way off from a top 3 team.


Look at the 4 high school years as of now for Outlaws

2014- at least 20 college recruits and D1 kids approaching 15
2015- solid solid team, not amazing but a lot of D1 talent and commits
2016- great team, tons of D1 talent and a few D1 commits already
2017- good team that just jumped to great this year with addition of new kids while keepin the old kids on the team


What I am saying is they always improve in to premier teams by high school and THAT is when it counts for college. In 3-8 grade worry about your son making friends, becoming a better player and becoming a better kid


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/21/13 11:42 AM
Better talent says with a club. Not always, but mostly. If these more talented kids start with 91 or express or whoever at a younger age, then those teams will be the teams with all the D1 players. The older Outlaw kids now didn't have all these club options 5 years ago. They do now, and the talent has spread out.. And you will see this organization regress.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/21/13 02:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Better talent says with a club. Not always, but mostly. If these more talented kids start with 91 or express or whoever at a younger age, then those teams will be the teams with all the D1 players. The older Outlaw kids now didn't have all these club options 5 years ago. They do now, and the talent has spread out.. And you will see this organization regress.


There have been a ton of clubs you don't even recognize that have came on gone of Long Island, these new clubs will come and go and maybe some will stay, but it's happened for a while. There have always been a lot of teams. Survival of the fittest.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/27/13 05:59 PM
Folks,

Who will be at Halloween Havoc and is your team ready?

When do practices start? Who plays A or B? Who wins?

Let the games begin.....

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 07:42 PM
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/10/redshirting-kindergarten-backfire-education


too bad I couldnt photoshop a la stick into the "kid" with a beards hand
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/08/13 12:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Folks,

Who will be at Halloween Havoc and is your team ready?

When do practices start? Who plays A or B? Who wins?

Let the games begin.....



All this talk on BOTC of who plays "A" or "B" means nothing. This talk is all based on last summer and things have changed a lot since that time. Teams like the Outlaw,Jesters and Legacy now claim to be "A" teams. It is all talk and who knows it may or may not happen. I see no reason why any team in a year can't go from a C team to a B plus or A minus team or the other way around. Take the 2021 Tomahawks. This past summer they were a B plus to A Minus team. This fall they Lost all the good players and this years tryouts had only 15 kids.They took all the kids who showed up at tryouts and for this coming summer will be a C team at best. Legacy was the opposit. They were a B minus team last summer and had more people show up for tryouts and this year and will be very good. The bottom line is there are teams that got better and teams that got worse. We will find out who is who when play starts. Not here. This stuff is more important to the parents. The kids would not care at all if they did not hear parants talking about "A" teams and "B" teams. No matter what team your child is with I hope all the kids have fun this year, learn and get better.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/03/13 01:48 PM
Did Igloo win the Fall Finale in NJ ? Heard that new city Express team went as well. Anyone else ? Wondering how LI did
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/03/13 09:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did Igloo win the Fall Finale in NJ ? Heard that new city Express team went as well. Anyone else ? Wondering how LI did


Igloo won 6th grade "A" division played Outlaws Black in Finals and won 10-3
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/03/13 09:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did Igloo win the Fall Finale in NJ ? Heard that new city Express team went as well. Anyone else ? Wondering how LI did


Igloo won 6th grade "A" division played Outlaws Black in Finals and won 10-3

Igloo (2021) played Outlaws "Black" 2020
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/03/13 11:29 PM
Yes. 2021 vs 2020 They are real good!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 12:43 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did Igloo win the Fall Finale in NJ ? Heard that new city Express team went as well. Anyone else ? Wondering how LI did


Igloo won 6th grade "A" division played Outlaws Black in Finals and won 10-3

Igloo (2021) played Outlaws "Black" 2020

Yes and won 10-3
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 02:10 AM
Who won the B division?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 03:07 AM
It was 5/6 A division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did Igloo win the Fall Finale in NJ ? Heard that new city Express team went as well. Anyone else ? Wondering how LI did


Igloo won 6th grade "A" division played Outlaws Black in Finals and won 10-3
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 01:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It was 5/6 A division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did Igloo win the Fall Finale in NJ ? Heard that new city Express team went as well. Anyone else ? Wondering how LI did


Igloo won 6th grade "A" division played Outlaws Black in Finals and won 10-3


It was a 5/6 division and igloo is a 5/6 team. They are truly U-11 but in as much as they have 6th graders on their team they are not truly 2021 or 5th grade. Still great U-11 team and great win.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 02:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It was 5/6 A division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did Igloo win the Fall Finale in NJ ? Heard that new city Express team went as well. Anyone else ? Wondering how LI did


Igloo won 6th grade "A" division played Outlaws Black in Finals and won 10-3


It was a 5/6 division and igloo is a 5/6 team. They are truly U-11 but in as much as they have 6th graders on their team they are not truly 2021 or 5th grade. Still great U-11 team and great win.

I have to laugh when I here the whole grade thing and age thing ....I look at Pal rosters and how many kids should be in the grade above because of there age . So how many kids that play on 2021 travel teams should or could be on 2020 teams . US lacrosse needs to set a standard and all need to follow .....Alll I can say is stop holding your kids back .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 02:58 PM
Wait, I don’t understand. The 2021 Igloo team has 6th graders on the team? Shouldn’t that require them to play in the 2020 division? I saw them play at the Halloween Havoc in the 2021 division and I think they won it!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 03:58 PM
They are 5th graders!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 05:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wait, I don’t understand. The 2021 Igloo team has 6th graders on the team? Shouldn’t that require them to play in the 2020 division? I saw them play at the Halloween Havoc in the 2021 division and I think they won it!


No different from every other 5th grade 2021 team .... No 6th graders
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 07:19 PM
not true - my son is in school with a 6th grader playing on the 5th grade team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 07:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
not true - my son is in school with a 6th grader playing on the 5th grade team.


Ahhhh....The want to say they are the best at 2021 but....if there are 6th graders on the team they are NOT legitimate. Period. If this is the case, they are a 2020 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 08:56 PM
This would all be put to rest if we used BIRTH year and not GRADUATION year. If this was the case you would see a lot less parents holding back for "ACADEMIC " purposes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 09:30 PM
No doubt. What happens if akid is really smart and skips a grade ? I
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This would all be put to rest if we used BIRTH year and not GRADUATION year. If this was the case you would see a lot less parents holding back for "ACADEMIC " purposes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/05/13 12:03 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
not true - my son is in school with a 6th grader playing on the 5th grade team.


I have no problem what igloo does because it is within the rules. Parents that have 6th graders born after 8/31/02 are asked to have their kid play for Igloo 5th grade team provided they can make it. Igloo does the same thing with the 4th grade team. Kids that tried out for the 5th grade team that were born after 8/31/03 are moved down to the fourth grade team if they can't make the 5th grade team. This why at tryouts igloo asks for birth certificates. I know for a fact that this is the practice of Igloo. I don't know how many older kids are on either team but I do know spots are available to them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/05/13 12:59 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
not true - my son is in school with a 6th grader playing on the 5th grade team.


I have no problem what igloo does because it is within the rules. Parents that have 6th graders born after 8/31/02 are asked to have their kid play for Igloo 5th grade team provided they can make it. Igloo does the same thing with the 4th grade team. Kids that tried out for the 5th grade team that were born after 8/31/03 are moved down to the fourth grade team if they can't make the 5th grade team. This why at tryouts igloo asks for birth certificates. I know for a fact that this is the practice of Igloo. I don't know how many older kids are on either team but I do know spots are available to them.


False. There Are zero fifth graders on the 4th grade igloo team. Igloo 2022 is all fourth graders an all u-10, period.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/05/13 02:28 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
not true - my son is in school with a 6th grader playing on the 5th grade team.


I have no problem what igloo does because it is within the rules. Parents that have 6th graders born after 8/31/02 are asked to have their kid play for Igloo 5th grade team provided they can make it. Igloo does the same thing with the 4th grade team. Kids that tried out for the 5th grade team that were born after 8/31/03 are moved down to the fourth grade team if they can't make the 5th grade team. This why at tryouts igloo asks for birth certificates. I know for a fact that this is the practice of Igloo. I don't know how many older kids are on either team but I do know spots are available to them.


False. There Are zero fifth graders on the 4th grade igloo team. Igloo 2022 is all fourth graders an all u-10, period.


I know that 2021 kids were offered spots on the 2022 team. I don't know if they accepted.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/05/13 02:57 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
not true - my son is in school with a 6th grader playing on the 5th grade team.


I have no problem what igloo does because it is within the rules. Parents that have 6th graders born after 8/31/02 are asked to have their kid play for Igloo 5th grade team provided they can make it. Igloo does the same thing with the 4th grade team. Kids that tried out for the 5th grade team that were born after 8/31/03 are moved down to the fourth grade team if they can't make the 5th grade team. This why at tryouts igloo asks for birth certificates. I know for a fact that this is the practice of Igloo. I don't know how many older kids are on either team but I do know spots are available to them.


False. There Are zero fifth graders on the 4th grade igloo team. Igloo 2022 is all fourth graders an all u-10, period.


I know that 2021 kids were offered spots on the 2022 team. I don't know if they accepted.


You don't even make sense.. You state that you know for a fact that 5th graders are moved down to 4th grade igloo, then you say they are offered spots but you don't know if they accept them?? You don't know and you don't even understand the contoversy which is that if 5th grade igloo has 6th graders on their team it is NOT within the rules to play in a 2021 or 5th grade tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/05/13 03:18 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
not true - my son is in school with a 6th grader playing on the 5th grade team.


I have no problem what igloo does because it is within the rules. Parents that have 6th graders born after 8/31/02 are asked to have their kid play for Igloo 5th grade team provided they can make it. Igloo does the same thing with the 4th grade team. Kids that tried out for the 5th grade team that were born after 8/31/03 are moved down to the fourth grade team if they can't make the 5th grade team. This why at tryouts igloo asks for birth certificates. I know for a fact that this is the practice of Igloo. I don't know how many older kids are on either team but I do know spots are available to them.


False. There Are zero fifth graders on the 4th grade igloo team. Igloo 2022 is all fourth graders an all u-10, period.


I know that 2021 kids were offered spots on the 2022 team. I don't know if they accepted.


You don't even make sense.. You state that you know for a fact that 5th graders are moved down to 4th grade igloo, then you say they are offered spots but you don't know if they accept them?? You don't know and you don't even understand the contoversy which is that if 5th grade igloo has 6th graders on their team it is NOT within the rules to play in a 2021 or 5th grade tournament.


You need to read better. It states that it is not known if or how many spots were taken on the 2022 igloo team by 5th graders or 2021 team by 6th graders. It just says spots were offered to older kids on both. Who cares about igloo 2022 team anyway. They are not good and get beat by 91 every time. As for the 2021 Igloo team they are a great team and as long as they play within the rules who cares. If they are not playing by the rules nothing will be done about it anyway.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/05/13 01:22 PM
No....maybe nothing will be done but let's just state facts. That is that there are other organizations that are LEGITIMATE 5th grade 2021 teams that will challenge and BEAT igloo. Namely 91 and Team LI 2021 teams. They are ALL 5th graders. If Igloo has 6th graders on the 2021 team, how can they call themselves 2021 when kids are graduating in 2020. Period...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/05/13 01:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No....maybe nothing will be done but let's just state facts. That is that there are other organizations that are LEGITIMATE 5th grade 2021 teams that will challenge and BEAT igloo. Namely 91 and Team LI 2021 teams. They are ALL 5th graders. If Igloo has 6th graders on the 2021 team, how can they call themselves 2021 when kids are graduating in 2020. Period...


This is the issue with these tournaments, either U based as USL is or grade/graduating year based.
So under USL rules, the U date is August 31st. So it is possible to have a 6th grader and still be a USL U11 qualified player. The school cut off date is Nov 15th or so, so if the child is born between Sept. 1st and the school cut off date they are in the grade above and still U11.
That being said, most LI tournaments are run using grade/graduating year as the criteria. So we run into the same issue with this system because if a parent holds a child back, then they are in the appropriate graduating class but not of proper age potentially.
One system needs to be engaged and all tournaments comply with that system so all teams can be compliant.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/05/13 02:17 PM
No horse in the race - but if the kids are all the same age; and you are arguing that one child may be in 6th - are you concerned the player is smarter (being a 6th grader) and thereore has an advantage. If that is not the case - your argument is moot, since they are all the same age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/05/13 02:22 PM
Based on what tournaments Igloo decides to play in, they should enter the team in the proper division. If it’s a graduating year based tournament then they should play in the 2020. If it’s a U based tournament then they should enter as a U11 team. Team Long Island I think has teams based on both and plays all the teams in the correct divisions. If it is true that 6th graders play on the 2021 Igloo team they shouldn’t enter the team in 2021 grade based tournaments…period. Find tournaments that are U based then and play in those.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/05/13 02:40 PM
As cage quoted in the past. USL likes the U based designation because because other parts of the country would not be able to put competitive teams together using grade based designation. You will find grad year tournaments in the hotbed areas, and u based in the non-hotbed areas. This is the reason team LI has always entered 2nd tier lacrosse tournaments outside of NY. They would never go into a grade based tournament until recently with maybe one or two teams. You are on long island(Team LI), there is no need for any program to go u based unless you are going to florida for the U-15 nationals. Get a grip people and organizations. If you all say this is ok, then leave the boys from crush alone. They have late birthdays and are in the 6th grade. Not a 91 parent but just sick of reading all this nonsense.. Put together U15,13,9,12,10,8 teams if you are in Utah, not LI. By doing so it just states that you know you can't compete so you cop out using USL rules.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No....maybe nothing will be done but let's just state facts. That is that there are other organizations that are LEGITIMATE 5th grade 2021 teams that will challenge and BEAT igloo. Namely 91 and Team LI 2021 teams. They are ALL 5th graders. If Igloo has 6th graders on the 2021 team, how can they call themselves 2021 when kids are graduating in 2020. Period...


This is the issue with these tournaments, either U based as USL is or grade/graduating year based.
So under USL rules, the U date is August 31st. So it is possible to have a 6th grader and still be a USL U11 qualified player. The school cut off date is Nov 15th or so, so if the child is born between Sept. 1st and the school cut off date they are in the grade above and still U11.
That being said, most LI tournaments are run using grade/graduating year as the criteria. So we run into the same issue with this system because if a parent holds a child back, then they are in the appropriate graduating class but not of proper age potentially.
One system needs to be engaged and all tournaments comply with that system so all teams can be compliant.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/05/13 03:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As cage quoted in the past. USL likes the U based designation because because other parts of the country would not be able to put competitive teams together using grade based designation. You will find grad year tournaments in the hotbed areas, and u based in the non-hotbed areas. This is the reason team LI has always entered 2nd tier lacrosse tournaments outside of NY. They would never go into a grade based tournament until recently with maybe one or two teams. You are on long island(Team LI), there is no need for any program to go u based unless you are going to florida for the U-15 nationals. Get a grip people and organizations. If you all say this is ok, then leave the boys from crush alone. They have late birthdays and are in the 6th grade. Not a 91 parent but just sick of reading all this nonsense.. Put together U15,13,9,12,10,8 teams if you are in Utah, not LI. By doing so it just states that you know you can't compete so you cop out using USL rules.
Just for the point of clarity : US Lacrosse currently advocates two year U-age brackets (U/9, U/11, U/13, U/15) due to the ability of other (non-East Coast) regions to form teams and have enough players.

US Lacrosse expressly told BOTC that they believe the New [lacrosse] to Maryland corridor SHOULD BE using U-age groups for every age group (not groupings of two years) given the player liquidity we have in the region.

The idea of U-age and grade level tournaments in different regions is not accurate. If a region was just starting now, US Lacrosse would have them use U-age groups across the board. Unfortunately in our area, the graduation year became the standard before US Lacrosse stepped forward with their rules. As a result, you have this hybrid model that will not change without US Lacrosse directly pressuring tournaments to align with the U-age standards.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/05/13 08:37 PM
Without the team fielding its 6th Graders (If they have them?) Do you think there is another 2021 team that even comes close?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/05/13 09:09 PM
Does it even matter ?!?! - The scores will speak for themselves. Team Igloo is a great program. Team 91 Crush is a very talented team, as is Express 2020. There are many great programs on Long Island. Try supporting LI lacrosse instead bashing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/05/13 09:17 PM
In a way... wouldn't it be nice if each team posted the rosters. We could then self police. Because for most of these teams they have classmates or neighbors on differing teams and you can easily see who is or is not playing by the rules. I know fl$ did something last year - turtles and extreme also did something.

I get that they are kids, but this isn't an issue that is going away.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
No....maybe nothing will be done but let's just state facts. That is that there are other organizations that are LEGITIMATE 5th grade 2021 teams that will challenge and BEAT igloo. Namely 91 and Team LI 2021 teams. They are ALL 5th graders. If Igloo has 6th graders on the 2021 team, how can they call themselves 2021 when kids are graduating in 2020. Period...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/05/13 09:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Without the team fielding its 6th Graders (If they have them?) Do you think there is another 2021 team that even comes close?


There is a program out of Westchester that's very hush hush. Its going to come out next spring and dominate the entire age group. The coaches are all D1 players who have played in MLL. The team has been practicing three to four times a week and plans on doing so all winter long so they can crush all competition. You will see, your days are numbered.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/05/13 09:32 PM
I support all Lacrosse...I am asking the question so I was expecting a simple answer...

So let me ask another question...Can this 2021 Team "straight up" beat the (2) other programs that you mentioned? Are they both 2020?

I am not familiar with the others because I am a NJ parent and saw this Igloo team this past weekend so curious as to how they fair against the better LI teams.

Fill me in.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/05/13 10:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I support all Lacrosse...I am asking the question so I was expecting a simple answer...

So let me ask another question...Can this 2021 Team "straight up" beat the (2) other programs that you mentioned? Are they both 2020?

I am not familiar with the others because I am a NJ parent and saw this Igloo team this past weekend so curious as to how they fair against the better LI teams.

Fill me in.....


I am not an Igloo parent but know the team well. If they have any 6th graders (which they may not) it can't be more than one or two. I may be wrong on that and we may never get an answer. I think they are the best Long Island 2021 team even if you take the top three players off the roster. Remember Long Island lax has the best players spread on so many teams. If Long Island had only 5 to ten teams then all the teams would be elite and on Igloo's curent level. Don't confuse Igloo being the best TEAM with having the 20 best players on Long Island. They don't have all the best players. They are just very deep in talent and have played together for a very long time. There are Kids that are on 2021 "B" teams that would be top players on Igloo. I hope this answer helps you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 12:52 AM
Some of Team Igloo 2021 wins this year:

Beat Team 91 Orange: 10-3 for Halloween Havoc Championship
Beat Legacy 10-0
Beat Outlaws 2020 10-3 for Fall Finale Championship
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 02:11 AM
So one might think outlaws and 91 and legacy are relatively close...

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some of Team Igloo 2021 wins this year:

Beat Team 91 Orange: 10-3 for Halloween Havoc Championship
Beat Legacy 10-0
Beat Outlaws 2020 10-3 for Fall Finale Championship
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
So one might think outlaws and 91 and legacy are relatively close...

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some of Team Igloo 2021 wins this year:

Beat Team 91 Orange: 10-3 for Halloween Havoc Championship
Beat Legacy 10-0
Beat Outlaws 2020 10-3 for Fall Finale Championship


It does not work that way. Just because scores are similar does not mean the 3 teams that lost are close. Also if a team got shut out like legacy did you can't say they are close to teams that could score 3 times.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 02:19 AM
Opps, didn't see the 2020 on outlaws.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So one might think outlaws and 91 and legacy are relatively close...

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some of Team Igloo 2021 wins this year:

Beat Team 91 Orange: 10-3 for Halloween Havoc Championship
Beat Legacy 10-0
Beat Outlaws 2020 10-3 for Fall Finale Championship
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 02:24 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
h7cc5u
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So one might think outlaws and 91 and legacy are relatively close...

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some of Team Igloo 2021 wins this year:

Beat Team 91 Orange: 10-3 for Halloween Havoc Championship
Beat Legacy 10-0
Beat Outlaws 2020 10-3 for Fall Finale Championship


It does not work that way. Just because scores are similar does not mean the 3 teams that lost are close. Also if a team got shut out like legacy did you can't say they are close to teams that could score 3 times.


Been around long enough to know that yes it does generally work out that way. The teams are of the same caliber. Of course on any given day any team can do anything, but what I failed to see was the 2020 in front of the Outlaws.

but I would say that if outlaws and legacy played it may be a 3-0 or 5-1 game. Any game within 4 goals is a game that should be played regardless if you won or lost - you are the same caliber.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 03:13 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
h7cc5u
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So one might think outlaws and 91 and legacy are relatively close...

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some of Team Igloo 2021 wins this year:

Beat Team 91 Orange: 10-3 for Halloween Havoc Championship
Beat Legacy 10-0
Beat Outlaws 2020 10-3 for Fall Finale Championship


It does not work that way. Just because scores are similar does not mean the 3 teams that lost are close. Also if a team got shut out like legacy did you can't say they are close to teams that could score 3 times.


Been around long enough to know that yes it does generally work out that way. The teams are of the same caliber. Of course on any given day any team can do anything, but what I failed to see was the 2020 in front of the Outlaws.

but I would say that if outlaws and legacy played it may be a 3-0 or 5-1 game. Any game within 4 goals is a game that should be played regardless if you won or lost - you are the same caliber.


Don't agree. Teams take a fast 6-0 lead by halftime and pull back and win 10-0 may be very diferent from a game that was 5-3 at half time and the winning team never pulls back and wins 10 -3. We don't know how these scores got to be. Many teams team takes a 6-0 lead will go lefty. Depending on how much time is left when that happens changes the score. If they never went lefty they can win 20-0 but only win 10-0.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 11:04 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
not true - my son is in school with a 6th grader playing on the 5th grade team.


I have no problem what igloo does because it is within the rules. Parents that have 6th graders born after 8/31/02 are asked to have their kid play for Igloo 5th grade team provided they can make it. Igloo does the same thing with the 4th grade team. Kids that tried out for the 5th grade team that were born after 8/31/03 are moved down to the fourth grade team if they can't make the 5th grade team. This why at tryouts igloo asks for birth certificates. I know for a fact that this is the practice of Igloo. I don't know how many older kids are on either team but I do know spots are available to them.



You may be fine with it but it's breaking the rules. If the were a U11 team the would be OK. If you represent yourself as a 5th grade team it's not OK. Once you have one player in 6th, you should be in a 6th bracket.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 01:13 PM
Its carzy, so Igloo or TLI have to play in 6th grade becasue they hav eon ekid on 6th, but other teams who have 2 or 3 kids older then that 6th grader dont. Or if you have a bright kids who skipped a grade the team has to play up? Its idiotic and sham eon suffolk PAL for not changing the rule this year when they voted
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
not true - my son is in school with a 6th grader playing on the 5th grade team.


I have no problem what igloo does because it is within the rules. Parents that have 6th graders born after 8/31/02 are asked to have their kid play for Igloo 5th grade team provided they can make it. Igloo does the same thing with the 4th grade team. Kids that tried out for the 5th grade team that were born after 8/31/03 are moved down to the fourth grade team if they can't make the 5th grade team. This why at tryouts igloo asks for birth certificates. I know for a fact that this is the practice of Igloo. I don't know how many older kids are on either team but I do know spots are available to them.



You may be fine with it but it's breaking the rules. If the were a U11 team the would be OK. If you represent yourself as a 5th grade team it's not OK. Once you have one player in 6th, you should be in a 6th bracket.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 02:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I support all Lacrosse...I am asking the question so I was expecting a simple answer...

So let me ask another question...Can this 2021 Team "straight up" beat the (2) other programs that you mentioned? Are they both 2020?

I am not familiar with the others because I am a NJ parent and saw this Igloo team this past weekend so curious as to how they fair against the better LI teams.

Fill me in.....


I am not an Igloo parent but know the team well. If they have any 6th graders (which they may not) it can't be more than one or two. I may be wrong on that and we may never get an answer. I think they are the best Long Island 2021 team even if you take the top three players off the roster. Remember Long Island lax has the best players spread on so many teams. If Long Island had only 5 to ten teams then all the teams would be elite and on Igloo's curent level. Don't confuse Igloo being the best TEAM with having the 20 best players on Long Island. They don't have all the best players. They are just very deep in talent and have played together for a very long time. There are Kids that are on 2021 "B" teams that would be top players on Igloo. I hope this answer helps you.


There are a few teams who will compete, if not trade victories with 2021 Igloo this year. Team LI 2021 is as good as any out there. 91 Orange very good as well. I have seen all these teams play at different tournaments and am sometimes amazed at the level of these teams. Very disciplined, skilled and team oriented. Should be a good year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 02:40 PM
An age based team is age qualified based on the age of its oldest player.

A grade based team is grade qualified based on the highest grade on the team.

There is nothing crazy about the above.

The problem occurs when grade based teams enter age based tournaments and when age based teams enter grade based tournaments

Parents should push directors of grade based teams to only enter grade based tournaments
Parents should push directors of age based teames to only enter age based tournaments

There are plenty of both types. If you enter a tournament with rules that put your team at a disadvantage, deal with it.

It is not crazy it is the rules.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 02:44 PM
Regardless...Can we all try to stay on LI and play each other locally this Summer as opposed to traveling, spending $ and most times playing each other 250 miles away anyway? How about having the other areas of the Northeast come here....
There is plenty of competition in the 2021 age group locally.
Team LI, Igloo, 91, Legacy, etc...All these kids will be seeing each other for many years to come, [lacrosse] they might even become friends.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 02:48 PM
When did they have tryouts? Or did they hand pick and recruit specific kids without tryouts? Do you know which tournaments that are scheduled to attend?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 03:34 PM
Where is team Long Island? Evryone says that they are a good team.
Who have they beaten to say this? I have been to a number of tournaments this fall and still have not see this supposedly great team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I support all Lacrosse...I am asking the question so I was expecting a simple answer...

So let me ask another question...Can this 2021 Team "straight up" beat the (2) other programs that you mentioned? Are they both 2020?

I am not familiar with the others because I am a NJ parent and saw this Igloo team this past weekend so curious as to how they fair against the better LI teams.

Fill me in.....


I am not an Igloo parent but know the team well. If they have any 6th graders (which they may not) it can't be more than one or two. I may be wrong on that and we may never get an answer. I think they are the best Long Island 2021 team even if you take the top three players off the roster. Remember Long Island lax has the best players spread on so many teams. If Long Island had only 5 to ten teams then all the teams would be elite and on Igloo's curent level. Don't confuse Igloo being the best TEAM with having the 20 best players on Long Island. They don't have all the best players. They are just very deep in talent and have played together for a very long time. There are Kids that are on 2021 "B" teams that would be top players on Igloo. I hope this answer helps you.


There are a few teams who will compete, if not trade victories with 2021 Igloo this year. Team LI 2021 is as good as any out there. 91 Orange very good as well. I have seen all these teams play at different tournaments and am sometimes amazed at the level of these teams. Very disciplined, skilled and team oriented. Should be a good year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 06:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where is team Long Island? Evryone says that they are a good team.
Who have they beaten to say this? I have been to a number of tournaments this fall and still have not see this supposedly great team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I support all Lacrosse...I am asking the question so I was expecting a simple answer...

So let me ask another question...Can this 2021 Team "straight up" beat the (2) other programs that you mentioned? Are they both 2020?

I am not familiar with the others because I am a NJ parent and saw this Igloo team this past weekend so curious as to how they fair against the better LI teams.

Fill me in.....


I am not an Igloo parent but know the team well. If they have any 6th graders (which they may not) it can't be more than one or two. I may be wrong on that and we may never get an answer. I think they are the best Long Island 2021 team even if you take the top three players off the roster. Remember Long Island lax has the best players spread on so many teams. If Long Island had only 5 to ten teams then all the teams would be elite and on Igloo's curent level. Don't confuse Igloo being the best TEAM with having the 20 best players on Long Island. They don't have all the best players. They are just very deep in talent and have played together for a very long time. There are Kids that are on 2021 "B" teams that would be top players on Igloo. I hope this answer helps you.


There are a few teams who will compete, if not trade victories with 2021 Igloo this year. Team LI 2021 is as good as any out there. 91 Orange very good as well. I have seen all these teams play at different tournaments and am sometimes amazed at the level of these teams. Very disciplined, skilled and team oriented. Should be a good year.


Team Long Island is out east. They are a very inexpensive program and I am not sure if the play in the Fall. They will have two to three teams per year. The top 2021 team is either second or third best (at 91 level) and the other teams in that program are not very good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 07:28 PM
The 2021 team is a very good team....I saw them play last year. They beat us thoroughly and I saw them beat 91 orange 2x in 2 days in Stony Brook. They will definitely compete on the elite level against Igloo and others. Don't kid yourself.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where is team Long Island? Evryone says that they are a good team.
Who have they beaten to say this? I have been to a number of tournaments this fall and still have not see this supposedly great team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I support all Lacrosse...I am asking the question so I was expecting a simple answer...

So let me ask another question...Can this 2021 Team "straight up" beat the (2) other programs that you mentioned? Are they both 2020?

I am not familiar with the others because I am a NJ parent and saw this Igloo team this past weekend so curious as to how they fair against the better LI teams.

Fill me in.....


I am not an Igloo parent but know the team well. If they have any 6th graders (which they may not) it can't be more than one or two. I may be wrong on that and we may never get an answer. I think they are the best Long Island 2021 team even if you take the top three players off the roster. Remember Long Island lax has the best players spread on so many teams. If Long Island had only 5 to ten teams then all the teams would be elite and on Igloo's curent level. Don't confuse Igloo being the best TEAM with having the 20 best players on Long Island. They don't have all the best players. They are just very deep in talent and have played together for a very long time. There are Kids that are on 2021 "B" teams that would be top players on Igloo. I hope this answer helps you.


There are a few teams who will compete, if not trade victories with 2021 Igloo this year. Team LI 2021 is as good as any out there. 91 Orange very good as well. I have seen all these teams play at different tournaments and am sometimes amazed at the level of these teams. Very disciplined, skilled and team oriented. Should be a good year.


Team Long Island is out east. They are a very inexpensive program and I am not sure if the play in the Fall. They will have two to three teams per year. The top 2021 team is either second or third best (at 91 level) and the other teams in that program are not very good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 08:08 PM
I too have heard great things about Team LI. Would be nice to see all the 2021's just go to one tourney together and lets put the BS about who is who to rest. Bring your best team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/13/13 12:49 PM
Dear Parents, coaches, and directors of that read this thread; the fundamental issue is age or grade based, stop talking about a specific team or teams as it only takes objectivity out of the discussion. On long island there has been a growing number of players who are being "red shirted" or "reclassified" as they call it at younger ages to hide the fact that they are being left back for athletic reasons, some for academic reasons. The point is there are more opportunities for safety issues with players playing on grade then by age. Hence US lacrosse about 6 years ago stepped in and followed suit with almost every major youth sports organization in the country to have lacrosse be played on a age level instead of grade based. This would ensure that all the players where the same age, plus make sure that there was no physical advantage on one team that could and most likely create a safety issue.

Now when we talk about Team Long Island or Team Igloo, or Team 91, or any club team you must look at what that club does to ensure the safety of its players, and the spirit of which youth lacrosse is played.

Until the boys hit manhood my personal opinion is that age based is a much better approach then grade. There are several players on all these teams who have been left back for one reason or another; creating an advantage that could lead to someone getting extremely injured. So teams that are age based can let the other coaches and other programs know that there will be no physical advantage. Which depending on which side of the fence you are on this issue is objectively a better approach.

Now there are qualifying events in Long Island that are grade based but highlight the fact that the tournament is for a age based qualifier. Teams that adhere to the age based format will be allowed to compete, the teams that adhere to a grade based format will be forced to leave some of their players off their rosters in order to compete. So all in all; age is the best way to make sure all teams are playing in a safe, competitive environment and in accordance to the national youth rules.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/13/13 02:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dear Parents, coaches, and directors of that read this thread; the fundamental issue is age or grade based, stop talking about a specific team or teams as it only takes objectivity out of the discussion. On long island there has been a growing number of players who are being "red shirted" or "reclassified" as they call it at younger ages to hide the fact that they are being left back for athletic reasons, some for academic reasons. The point is there are more opportunities for safety issues with players playing on grade then by age. Hence US lacrosse about 6 years ago stepped in and followed suit with almost every major youth sports organization in the country to have lacrosse be played on a age level instead of grade based. This would ensure that all the players where the same age, plus make sure that there was no physical advantage on one team that could and most likely create a safety issue.

Now when we talk about Team Long Island or Team Igloo, or Team 91, or any club team you must look at what that club does to ensure the safety of its players, and the spirit of which youth lacrosse is played.

Until the boys hit manhood my personal opinion is that age based is a much better approach then grade. There are several players on all these teams who have been left back for one reason or another; creating an advantage that could lead to someone getting extremely injured. So teams that are age based can let the other coaches and other programs know that there will be no physical advantage. Which depending on which side of the fence you are on this issue is objectively a better approach.

Now there are qualifying events in Long Island that are grade based but highlight the fact that the tournament is for a age based qualifier. Teams that adhere to the age based format will be allowed to compete, the teams that adhere to a grade based format will be forced to leave some of their players off their rosters in order to compete. So all in all; age is the best way to make sure all teams are playing in a safe, competitive environment and in accordance to the national youth rules.


The Problem is that US Lacrosse groups age every two years, U15, U13, U11, U9. So boys will be playing against other boys who are two years older.
If they did one year age groups it would be better for all.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/13/13 04:25 PM
Beg to Differ , they no longer have there key ingredient which broke the barrier against 91 and put the numbers on the board in stony brook.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 2021 team is a very good team....I saw them play last year. They beat us thoroughly and I saw them beat 91 orange 2x in 2 days in Stony Brook. They will definitely compete on the elite level against Igloo and others. Don't kid yourself.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where is team Long Island? Evryone says that they are a good team.
Who have they beaten to say this? I have been to a number of tournaments this fall and still have not see this supposedly great team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I support all Lacrosse...I am asking the question so I was expecting a simple answer...

So let me ask another question...Can this 2021 Team "straight up" beat the (2) other programs that you mentioned? Are they both 2020?

I am not familiar with the others because I am a NJ parent and saw this Igloo team this past weekend so curious as to how they fair against the better LI teams.

Fill me in.....


I am not an Igloo parent but know the team well. If they have any 6th graders (which they may not) it can't be more than one or two. I may be wrong on that and we may never get an answer. I think they are the best Long Island 2021 team even if you take the top three players off the roster. Remember Long Island lax has the best players spread on so many teams. If Long Island had only 5 to ten teams then all the teams would be elite and on Igloo's curent level. Don't confuse Igloo being the best TEAM with having the 20 best players on Long Island. They don't have all the best players. They are just very deep in talent and have played together for a very long time. There are Kids that are on 2021 "B" teams that would be top players on Igloo. I hope this answer helps you.


There are a few teams who will compete, if not trade victories with 2021 Igloo this year. Team LI 2021 is as good as any out there. 91 Orange very good as well. I have seen all these teams play at different tournaments and am sometimes amazed at the level of these teams. Very disciplined, skilled and team oriented. Should be a good year.


Team Long Island is out east. They are a very inexpensive program and I am not sure if the play in the Fall. They will have two to three teams per year. The top 2021 team is either second or third best (at 91 level) and the other teams in that program are not very good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/17/13 08:09 AM
Wish I went with TLI instead of the current team I am with. The worst part is he made TLI too.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 02:16 PM
That 2021 TLI team has great depth....Believe me. I am sure they have also improved the past few months. No one player made that team great. They rotate players seamlessly at all positions.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 03:36 PM
When they played scrimmages against each other. LOL


Originally Posted by Anonymous
That 2021 TLI team has great depth....Believe me. I am sure they have also improved the past few months. No one player made that team great. They rotate players seamlessly at all positions.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 03:25 PM
There are a lot of 2021 teams in the Fall Brawl Turkey Shootout. I noticed that 91 has 4 teams in that bracket, any thoughts about to how that bracket will play out?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 04:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are a lot of 2021 teams in the Fall Brawl Turkey Shootout. I noticed that 91 has 4 teams in that bracket, any thoughts about to how that bracket will play out?
SMASH!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 05:55 PM
So can we plan one day....3 games and a playoff bracket....2021 "Bring it or go home" tournament. Get some of the better town teams there as well (Sachem, Garden City) AND LET'S JUST PUT THIS TO REST.

If we asked the coaches how many would sign up for it?

I am sick of hearing who is good and who is getting better and so on. I think it would be a good indication for the kids on where they stand and what the programs need to do to improve in the winter sessions.

Right/Wrong?

Posted By: VaLaxDad Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 07:30 PM
Great points. I have tried to take this issue up with others on BOTC, with little reply. It seems many think WashDC teams "stack the deck" with older players against our LI brothers. As it turns out, our youth teams follow USLacrosse age guidelines, U9-U15. Properly enforced and without reclassing, it seems clear that we could be up to 3 months older than LI kids at the upper end of the age groups--so 2019, 2021 and 2023 (?). Of course, if LI teams are playing class year and reclassing at younger ages, it seems clear that LI teams could (would) be older.
I agree that the re-classing phenomenon is bad for the game; among other things it re-enforces the rich kid stereotype of lax players. I also believe that USLacrosse, through its insurance program, is in the best position to fix the issue. By simply refusing to issue insurance to youth tournaments, leagues and teams that do not follow its age guidelines, organizers, administrators and coaches would quickly recalibrate their events to comply. Parents, if forced to sign an affidavit certifying Jr’ s age or risk voiding their supplemental insurance (and opening up personal liability), would stop any age related shenanigans.
Doesn’t answer all problems, particularly those at HS level, but it seems like a good place to start with little downside
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dear Parents, coaches, and directors of that read this thread; the fundamental issue is age or grade based, stop talking about a specific team or teams as it only takes objectivity out of the discussion. On long island there has been a growing number of players who are being "red shirted" or "reclassified" as they call it at younger ages to hide the fact that they are being left back for athletic reasons, some for academic reasons. The point is there are more opportunities for safety issues with players playing on grade then by age. Hence US lacrosse about 6 years ago stepped in and followed suit with almost every major youth sports organization in the country to have lacrosse be played on a age level instead of grade based. This would ensure that all the players where the same age, plus make sure that there was no physical advantage on one team that could and most likely create a safety issue.

Now when we talk about Team Long Island or Team Igloo, or Team 91, or any club team you must look at what that club does to ensure the safety of its players, and the spirit of which youth lacrosse is played.

Until the boys hit manhood my personal opinion is that age based is a much better approach then grade. There are several players on all these teams who have been left back for one reason or another; creating an advantage that could lead to someone getting extremely injured. So teams that are age based can let the other coaches and other programs know that there will be no physical advantage. Which depending on which side of the fence you are on this issue is objectively a better approach.

Now there are qualifying events in Long Island that are grade based but highlight the fact that the tournament is for a age based qualifier. Teams that adhere to the age based format will be allowed to compete, the teams that adhere to a grade based format will be forced to leave some of their players off their rosters in order to compete. So all in all; age is the best way to make sure all teams are playing in a safe, competitive environment and in accordance to the national youth rules.


The Problem is that US Lacrosse groups age every two years, U15, U13, U11, U9. So boys will be playing against other boys who are two years older.
If they did one year age groups it would be better for all.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 07:39 PM
Originally Posted by VaLaxDad
Great points. I have tried to take this issue up with others on BOTC, with little reply.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Problem is that US Lacrosse groups age every two years, U15, U13, U11, U9. So boys will be playing against other boys who are two years older.
If they did one year age groups it would be better for all.
BOTC did an exhaustive report on our discussions with US Lacrosse regarding age group controversies.

US Lacrosse agreed with BOTC's perspective that single year U-age groups must be introduced to improve the integrity of the youth game. Their response however was that there are an insufficient number of players in some of lacrosse's smaller markets to allow single age groups to be the norm.

Our perspective was that US Lacrosse should announce single age group U-age brackets and allow those smaller market teams to simply play in the proper age group of the oldest player on the team.

BOTC has found that US Lacrosse not only moves glacially but is largely out of touch with its constituency, particularly in the hotbed areas of New [lacrosse] and their own Baltimore backyard. When we last spoke, US Lacrosse was encouraging BOTC to engage with Northern California as an emerging market. Our counter was that there is sufficient work here on the east coast to establish a solid age-based foundation.

Needless to say, we have heard nothing back from US Lacrosse in the last four months. If it was not for the engagement with the Long Island Metropolitan Lacrosse Foundation (the local US Lacrosse Chapter), we would not even know that a national organization exists.

Therein is most of the problem.
Posted By: VaLaxDad Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 09:05 PM
Very interesting. Can you provide a link to the reports?

Single age U teams make sense. If numbers are too small, kids can play in older U bracket, same as now, but more flexible.

Any thoughts on enforcement?
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by VaLaxDad
Great points. I have tried to take this issue up with others on BOTC, with little reply.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Problem is that US Lacrosse groups age every two years, U15, U13, U11, U9. So boys will be playing against other boys who are two years older.
If they did one year age groups it would be better for all.
BOTC did an exhaustive report on our discussions with US Lacrosse regarding age group controversies.

US Lacrosse agreed with BOTC's perspective that single year U-age groups must be introduced to improve the integrity of the youth game. Their response however was that there are an insufficient number of players in some of lacrosse's smaller markets to allow single age groups to be the norm.

Our perspective was that US Lacrosse should announce single age group U-age brackets and allow those smaller market teams to simply play in the proper age group of the oldest player on the team.

BOTC has found that US Lacrosse not only moves glacially but is largely out of touch with its constituency, particularly in the hotbed areas of New [lacrosse] and their own Baltimore backyard. When we last spoke, US Lacrosse was encouraging BOTC to engage with Northern California as an emerging market. Our counter was that there is sufficient work here on the east coast to establish a solid age-based foundation.

Needless to say, we have heard nothing back from US Lacrosse in the last four months. If it was not for the engagement with the Long Island Metropolitan Lacrosse Foundation (the local US Lacrosse Chapter), we would not even know that a national organization exists.

Therein is most of the problem.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/27/13 04:42 PM
Team 91 Orange will win this tournament.
Igloo is not playing.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are a lot of 2021 teams in the Fall Brawl Turkey Shootout. I noticed that 91 has 4 teams in that bracket, any thoughts about to how that bracket will play out?



Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/27/13 05:12 PM
There is no championship to win.
Its 3 games and go home.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/28/13 04:00 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 Orange will win this tournament.
Igloo is not playing.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are a lot of 2021 teams in the Fall Brawl Turkey Shootout. I noticed that 91 has 4 teams in that bracket, any thoughts about to how that bracket will play out?
Smash will beat Orange no problem.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 03:55 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 Orange will win this tournament.
Igloo is not playing.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are a lot of 2021 teams in the Fall Brawl Turkey Shootout. I noticed that 91 has 4 teams in that bracket, any thoughts about to how that bracket will play out?
Smash will beat Orange no problem.


you really think a 4th grade smash team will beat the 5th grade orange team ? no way

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 01:25 PM
A large portion of 91 Orange has moved on. It is not the same team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 Orange will win this tournament.
Igloo is not playing.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are a lot of 2021 teams in the Fall Brawl Turkey Shootout. I noticed that 91 has 4 teams in that bracket, any thoughts about to how that bracket will play out?
Smash will beat Orange no problem.


you really think a 4th grade smash team will beat the 5th grade orange team ? no way

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/01/13 07:11 PM
How did the teams of 2021 do? I read that Express and 91 Smash did well. Was wondering how the others did.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/01/13 07:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did the teams of 2021 do? I read that Express and 91 Smash did well. Was wondering how the others did.
j

I saw that 91 Orange went 3-0. And I know that Legacy beat Outlaws Black by a goal.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/02/13 03:22 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did the teams of 2021 do? I read that Express and 91 Smash did well. Was wondering how the others did.
j

I saw that 91 Orange went 3-0. And I know that Legacy beat Outlaws Black by a goal.
Thank you for the info. We had a great day, kids had fun.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 12/03/13 04:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did the teams of 2021 do? I read that Express and 91 Smash did well. Was wondering how the others did.
I think the people running the Fall Brawl did a good job lining up the teams to play one another. It seemed to me that they kept the A teams playing the A teams and the B teams with the B teams. The Legacy Titans went 3-0 against Outlaw Silver, 91 Stampede, and 91 White. I thought that all the parents handled themselves very well and the players had great sportsmanship.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/06/14 05:16 PM
This thread has been very quiet. How is the town and travel teams looking for Spring and summer for 2021
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/12/14 04:45 PM
Team LI is ready to take the #1 spot!!!!

See you all in the spring.

smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/12/14 08:39 PM
who is going to shamrock shoot out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/22/14 09:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team LI is ready to take the #1 spot!!!!

See you all in the spring.

smile


HOPE TO SEE YOU AT SHAMROCK ....STOP DUCKING AND SHOW UP WHERE THE REAL TEAMS ARE ....IF YOU WANT TO BE #1 YOU HAVE TO PLAY #1 and BEAT THEM and WE ALL KNOW WHO THAT IS
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/22/14 11:18 PM
Everyone knows Team LI cheats with older players that's why they don't play in any real tournaments or LI tournaments !!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/23/14 12:05 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone knows Team LI cheats with older players that's why they don't play in any real tournaments or LI tournaments !!


Actually, Team LI is the only organization that plays by US Lacrosse rules! I'm sure Cage will confirm. Stop reaching for excuses, you are embarrassing yourself!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/23/14 01:39 AM
Not to mention I bet over half of the Islands best teams have kids OLDER then on team long island, they where just held back.Most tournaments off LONG Island are done by U brackets. I dont think they are the only team on the Island that plays by US lax rules either. They have a very good team at this age group, I dont think they are batter then Igloo but on par woth 91, Express and Icon.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone knows Team LI cheats with older players that's why they don't play in any real tournaments or LI tournaments !!


Actually, Team LI is the only organization that plays by US Lacrosse rules! I'm sure Cage will confirm. Stop reaching for excuses, you are embarrassing yourself!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/23/14 12:23 PM
Well you what is stated above is not entirely true. US Lacrosse age guidelines go U9, U11, U13, U15. And TLI goes U9, U10, U11, U12, U13, U14, etc. That means the even year teams should play the grad year teams determined by whatever the highest grade of any team member is. For example, a U10 team should play 2021 in a grad year tourney even if there is one 5th grader on the team not claim to be a 2022 team and justify it by saying there are older kids in 4th grade. A U10 team this summer (unless really good) should play in the B division of a U based tourney. I have to say I agree with age based requirements and like the setup of TLI. However, US lacrosse for some reason goes with a 24 month age spread, which has always puzzled me.

http://www.uslacrosse.org/rules/age-eligibility-guidelines.aspx
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 02/23/14 06:55 PM
Why bother explaining this. You are not going to change some of these parents minds. They see what they want to see and interpret rules to feel better about the team their kid is on. I say let the kids and teams do the talking with play on the field. No team has ever beat TLI, Igloo, Icon, 91, Express or any other team on BOTC. If I left anyone out it was not intentional. Just remember the more elite teams we have the better it is for all 2021 kids as they reach 8th grade and above. Good luck to all the boys and teams this season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well you what is stated above is not entirely true. US Lacrosse age guidelines go U9, U11, U13, U15. And TLI goes U9, U10, U11, U12, U13, U14, etc. That means the even year teams should play the grad year teams determined by whatever the highest grade of any team member is. For example, a U10 team should play 2021 in a grad year tourney even if there is one 5th grader on the team not claim to be a 2022 team and justify it by saying there are older kids in 4th grade. A U10 team this summer (unless really good) should play in the B division of a U based tourney. I have to say I agree with age based requirements and like the setup of TLI. However, US lacrosse for some reason goes with a 24 month age spread, which has always puzzled me.

http://www.uslacrosse.org/rules/age-eligibility-guidelines.aspx
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/10/14 03:01 AM
With a week away anyone want to take a stab at the rankings ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/10/14 03:12 AM
oh shut up with rankings. Get a life!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/10/14 11:08 AM
From a guy reading the BOC threads, you could take your own advice.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
oh shut up with rankings. Get a life!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/10/14 12:26 PM
No buddy looking for shamrock schedule and saw your comment in the headings! From a person who probably never saw an athletic field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/10/14 03:47 PM
And you'd be wrong
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No buddy looking for shamrock schedule and saw your comment in the headings! From a person who probably never saw an athletic field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/10/14 04:10 PM
Yea rankings on what parent creates the most Havoc and from what team during a game or tournament ?
Lets start a separate forum on parental misconduct to expose the parent and organization which can possibly lead to more control in the future of specific ongoing issues from parents on the sideline .

Originally Posted by Anonymous
With a week away anyone want to take a stab at the rankings ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/10/14 04:15 PM
Ok I'm wrong end the conversation. But when grown adults are on here with good intentions and come across a comment about 2021 rankings I find it hilarious. This sport has really declined in what it really means because of parents like you. Sorry call it as I see it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/10/14 05:43 PM
What year....I think it is going to be the weekend of the upsets and I am looking forward to it!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/10/14 09:37 PM
Why ? Because i enjoy healthy competition ? Because I have many friends who's kids play on an assortment of teams at this age ? Because I appreciate the product Igloo, Icon and 91 have put out ? I think its cool to see other teams garner steam over the years and start to challenge ? I look forward to seeing how new program alike Legacy do ? Every year theres list of the HS rankings. Over the next few years and before you know it you'll start reading about the better 2021 kids. At what age is it appropriate to have an interest in how the teams stack up ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok I'm wrong end the conversation. But when grown adults are on here with good intentions and come across a comment about 2021 rankings I find it hilarious. This sport has really declined in what it really means because of parents like you. Sorry call it as I see it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/11/14 12:47 PM
A bracket

2021 will be Igloo for another year period !!


Its the Obvious why ask ?

IGLOO Top choice !

Orange is not the same team from 2 years ago but will compete Remember as long as 91 runs most of the tournaments here on Long Island they will always be put on the pedestal. 91 would not risk getting eliminated before getting the chance to play in championship . This is very obvious when they play out of state and in championship games here on long island.

Legacy is way over rated with ex -Orange players that cant get it together , barely compete with top two listed teams , New program will take time to weed and feed team.

Icon orange (old turf island) is up on top of food chain with great players with possible success coming this season time will tell but will compete against the top 2.

Express looks like there's one storm brewing out of the three teams but time will tell with their secret society that has many people frazzled including myself on which team is which?

Jesters , don't think they will compete much if at all in A.

Outlaws Black looks like they can compete need to dial it in.

Team Long Island out of site out of mind secret hidden training facility buried away on north shore they usually surface in late spring , time will tell but compete well as last year they beat Orange in championship , again refrain back to who runs tournaments here on long island.

Missing anyone?





Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why ? Because i enjoy healthy competition ? Because I have many friends who's kids play on an assortment of teams at this age ? Because I appreciate the product Igloo, Icon and 91 have put out ? I think its cool to see other teams garner steam over the years and start to challenge ? I look forward to seeing how new program alike Legacy do ? Every year theres list of the HS rankings. Over the next few years and before you know it you'll start reading about the better 2021 kids. At what age is it appropriate to have an interest in how the teams stack up ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok I'm wrong end the conversation. But when grown adults are on here with good intentions and come across a comment about 2021 rankings I find it hilarious. This sport has really declined in what it really means because of parents like you. Sorry call it as I see it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/12/14 12:57 PM
Get a life you idiot
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/12/14 03:53 PM
Has Vegas come out with the odds yet ? Weed and feed ? Really ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/12/14 04:33 PM

Find it very entertaining on the responses , is it salt in the wound? like any good team it takes time to build success. , like it or not truth sometimes hurts and not talking only about the wallet , maybe you were sold "sand on the beach" ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has Vegas come out with the odds yet ? Weed and feed ? Really ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/12/14 05:29 PM
I think the team evaluations where right on. Cant wait to see the kids play. Such a great age where you really start to see them take off
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Find it very entertaining on the responses , is it salt in the wound? like any good team it takes time to build success. , like it or not truth sometimes hurts and not talking only about the wallet , maybe you were sold "sand on the beach" ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has Vegas come out with the odds yet ? Weed and feed ? Really ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/12/14 08:10 PM

This is completely accurate and while 2 people posted negative comments about this , its obvious some people cant handle the truth . Great predictions !


Originally Posted by Anonymous
A bracket

2021 will be Igloo for another year period !!


Its the Obvious why ask ?

IGLOO Top choice !

Orange is not the same team from 2 years ago but will compete Remember as long as 91 runs most of the tournaments here on Long Island they will always be put on the pedestal. 91 would not risk getting eliminated before getting the chance to play in championship . This is very obvious when they play out of state and in championship games here on long island.

Legacy is way over rated with ex -Orange players that cant get it together , barely compete with top two listed teams , New program will take time to weed and feed team.

Icon orange (old turf island) is up on top of food chain with great players with possible success coming this season time will tell but will compete against the top 2.

Express looks like there's one storm brewing out of the three teams but time will tell with their secret society that has many people frazzled including myself on which team is which?

Jesters , don't think they will compete much if at all in A.

Outlaws Black looks like they can compete need to dial it in.

Team Long Island out of site out of mind secret hidden training facility buried away on north shore they usually surface in late spring , time will tell but compete well as last year they beat Orange in championship , again refrain back to who runs tournaments here on long island.

Missing anyone?





Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why ? Because i enjoy healthy competition ? Because I have many friends who's kids play on an assortment of teams at this age ? Because I appreciate the product Igloo, Icon and 91 have put out ? I think its cool to see other teams garner steam over the years and start to challenge ? I look forward to seeing how new program alike Legacy do ? Every year theres list of the HS rankings. Over the next few years and before you know it you'll start reading about the better 2021 kids. At what age is it appropriate to have an interest in how the teams stack up ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok I'm wrong end the conversation. But when grown adults are on here with good intentions and come across a comment about 2021 rankings I find it hilarious. This sport has really declined in what it really means because of parents like you. Sorry call it as I see it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/12/14 09:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Find it very entertaining on the responses , is it salt in the wound? like any good team it takes time to build success. , like it or not truth sometimes hurts and not talking only about the wallet , maybe you were sold "sand on the beach" ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has Vegas come out with the odds yet ? Weed and feed ? Really ?
I wasn't sold anything. My kid is several years older and doesn't play for Legacy. I look at the other age threads because I get a kick at how twisted some people are about the serious business of 5th grade lacrosse. It seems to be growing to younger age groups every year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/13/14 12:02 PM
Where are the WildKatz? Are they extinct?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/13/14 12:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where are the WildKatz? Are they extinct?


I heard they disbanded. Some to Igloo, some to other clubs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/13/14 12:58 PM
They are under another name and still practicing together in a secluded cave out east , word has it they are looking to play in B bracket again to take another victory from Smash as one poster had recently said smash will beat most A 2021 teams but lost last year to a non organized low budget pick-up team in Stony Brook championship.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where are the WildKatz? Are they extinct?


I heard they disbanded. Some to Igloo, some to other clubs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/13/14 01:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They are under another name and still practicing together in a secluded cave out east , word has it they are looking to play in B bracket again to take another victory from Smash as one poster had recently said smash will beat most A 2021 teams but lost last year to a non organized low budget pick-up team in Stony Brook championship.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where are the WildKatz? Are they extinct?


I heard they disbanded. Some to Igloo, some to other clubs.


A simple 'no' would have sufficed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/14/14 03:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where are the WildKatz? Are they extinct?


I heard they disbanded. Some to Igloo, some to other clubs.


Like I predicted the bigger clubs would talk the 8 or 9 good kids away from Wildkatz so the team folded. I know a few went to Igloo. Two or three went to team Long Island. Two or three went to 91 and I know of one kid who went to Express.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/14/14 07:46 PM
The reality....

If WildCats had stayed together this year they would have contended with any team in 2021 on any day and they would have won a lot.

91, Team LI, and Igloo are lucky.

Just saying.....It would have been an eye opener to these teams that charge crazy prices so you can pay the "Lacrosse Elite" to sit there and say 2 words to your kid.

Coach was a little "Intense" but the kids responded. They needed one more year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/14/14 08:06 PM
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/14/14 08:15 PM
Oh but I do.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/14/14 09:09 PM
You don't. You'll see.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/14/14 09:47 PM
Thats your opinion. All we have are teh facts of what they ACTUALLY DID. Its like sports fans who always think "wait till next year" The fact they are NOT together tells you what most of the parents thought. Actions speak louder then words
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The reality....

If WildCats had stayed together this year they would have contended with any team in 2021 on any day and they would have won a lot.

91, Team LI, and Igloo are lucky.

Just saying.....It would have been an eye opener to these teams that charge crazy prices so you can pay the "Lacrosse Elite" to sit there and say 2 words to your kid.

Coach was a little "Intense" but the kids responded. They needed one more year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/14/14 10:17 PM
He is now an Igloo dad. That is why he shut down the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where are the WildKatz? Are they extinct?


I heard they disbanded. Some to Igloo, some to other clubs.


Like I predicted the bigger clubs would talk the 8 or 9 good kids away from Wildkatz so the team folded. I know a few went to Igloo. Two or three went to team Long Island. Two or three went to 91 and I know of one kid who went to Express.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/15/14 01:29 PM
He's an igloo dad because he saw the writing on the wall and knew a bunch of his good players were leaving to play for the igloos, TLI and 91's of the lacrosse world. Its hard doing what he tried to do. There was definitely talent on that team which is evident by how many of them are now playing for some of the top travel teams for there she group on Long Island.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
He is now an Igloo dad. That is why he shut down the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where are the WildKatz? Are they extinct?


I heard they disbanded. Some to Igloo, some to other clubs.


Like I predicted the bigger clubs would talk the 8 or 9 good kids away from Wildkatz so the team folded. I know a few went to Igloo. Two or three went to team Long Island. Two or three went to 91 and I know of one kid who went to Express.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/17/14 03:16 PM
So what happened? 91 and Icon we in the championship game. Care to rethink your predictions for the next tournament?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/17/14 08:58 PM
After watching yesterday I am excited to be heading down for Crabfest. Here is the line up.

1 Crabs 2021 MD
2 Team Igloo Long Island
3 Orange Crush NY
4 Leading Edge New Jersey
5 Rising Sons Philadelphia
6 Team Long Island Long Island
7 Bethesda U11AA MD
8 Sweet Lax Upstate, NY

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/17/14 11:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After watching yesterday I am excited to be heading down for Crabfest. Here is the line up.

1 Crabs 2021 MD
2 Team Igloo Long Island
3 Orange Crush NY
4 Leading Edge New Jersey
5 Rising Sons Philadelphia
6 Team Long Island Long Island
7 Bethesda U11AA MD
8 Sweet Lax Upstate, NY



No skin in that tournament...but it looks like a great one! Probably 1-2 goal differences and could be anyones day! Have fun and bring one home to LI !
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/18/14 12:11 AM
Igloo got punched in the mouth by the Rising Mennonites and couldn't recover. Good job by Icon and 91
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what happened? 91 and Icon we in the championship game. Care to rethink your predictions for the next tournament?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/18/14 12:56 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo got punched in the mouth by the Rising Mennonites and couldn't recover. Good job by Icon and 91
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what happened? 91 and Icon we in the championship game. Care to rethink your predictions for the next tournament?

Yes-10/11 year old kids got " punched in the mouth" by losing by 1 goal in a fall tourney.
No doubt a 91 parent who has paid $2,000 per year to lose every tournaments, league play and every matchup to igloo. See you in the spring when you cry your way back to your tent for a Budweiser and a Marlboro.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/18/14 02:31 AM
Shouldn't Igloo have played in the 6th grade bracket? This was a grade based tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/18/14 02:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo got punched in the mouth by the Rising Mennonites and couldn't recover. Good job by Icon and 91
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what happened? 91 and Icon we in the championship game. Care to rethink your predictions for the next tournament?

Yes-10/11 year old kids got " punched in the mouth" by losing by 1 goal in a fall tourney.
No doubt a 91 parent who has paid $2,000 per year to lose every tournaments, league play and every matchup to igloo. See you in the spring when you cry your way back to your tent for a Budweiser and a Marlboro.


New season guy. You're probably the same poster ranking the kids putting igloo on top for the tournament win but they didn't and you got real quiet. There a some very talented teams out there in the 2021 division and will make for some interesting tournaments. It's anyone's game any given day.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/18/14 09:30 AM
Not so prophetic anymore now are you dad?
You are an uninformed hack. Let the boys play regardless of team and stop with wannabe visionary routine.
You'll never fill the holes in your childhood. Let it go.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/18/14 11:05 AM
The expression "punched in the mouth" in this case for all you with your pantys in a bunch, is not about a physical blow, its meant in the terms of an unknown team, in the first game in my opinion , probably surprising a very good igloo team and before they knew it they lost a game. It is not to infer violence, it infers surprise. Have no dog in this hunt but if I were a betting man I would still bet Igloo would beat either 91 or Icon. All three by the way 10 times better then my sons team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/18/14 11:08 AM
By the way , the "Mennonite line should have keyed you into the the tongue and cheek style of the post
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo got punched in the mouth by the Rising Mennonites and couldn't recover. Good job by Icon and 91
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what happened? 91 and Icon we in the championship game. Care to rethink your predictions for the next tournament?

Yes-10/11 year old kids got " punched in the mouth" by losing by 1 goal in a fall tourney.
No doubt a 91 parent who has paid $2,000 per year to lose every tournaments, league play and every matchup to igloo. See you in the spring when you cry your way back to your tent for a Budweiser and a Marlboro.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/18/14 11:36 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shouldn't Igloo have played in the 6th grade bracket? This was a grade based tournament.


It didn't matter...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/18/14 12:17 PM
The great Igloo team played down and lost. Yes they should have been playing in the 6th grade bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shouldn't Igloo have played in the 6th grade bracket? This was a grade based tournament.


It didn't matter...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/18/14 12:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The great Igloo team played down and lost. Yes they should have been playing in the 6th grade bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shouldn't Igloo have played in the 6th grade bracket? This was a grade based tournament.


It didn't matter...


Wait, I thought they were a 2021 team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/18/14 12:50 PM
Oh stop, chances are teh other 2021 teams all had kids teh same age, That kid left back and in 5th grade is okay by a kid a month younger then him but is in 6th grade makes it a travesty.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The great Igloo team played down and lost. Yes they should have been playing in the 6th grade bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shouldn't Igloo have played in the 6th grade bracket? This was a grade based tournament.


It didn't matter...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/18/14 03:16 PM
But the tournament was by GRADE. A player in the 6th grade should not have been playing in a 5th grade bracket much less a 2021 team. Whether or not the one player makes a difference or if other teams are doing it is irrelevant. Those were the rules and why certain towns hold all their kids back. But since you know that no tournament director or league official will ever question a kids age or challenge a roster I guess its OK to cheat. It was very obvious that the out of state teams at Shamrock all had older kids. But they entered allot of teams and paid allot of money for multiple days, so play on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/18/14 03:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo got punched in the mouth by the Rising Mennonites and couldn't recover. Good job by Icon and 91
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what happened? 91 and Icon we in the championship game. Care to rethink your predictions for the next tournament?


I am having "Rising Mennonites" t-shirts made up. Good one!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/18/14 04:06 PM
Just a question, if a parent went to the school on Friday and filed paperwork to have him moved down to 5th grade, then Monday morning filled out paperwork to have him put backin 6th then it would be all good right ? Thats why this grade thing is idiotic.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
But the tournament was by GRADE. A player in the 6th grade should not have been playing in a 5th grade bracket much less a 2021 team. Whether or not the one player makes a difference or if other teams are doing it is irrelevant. Those were the rules and why certain towns hold all their kids back. But since you know that no tournament director or league official will ever question a kids age or challenge a roster I guess its OK to cheat. It was very obvious that the out of state teams at Shamrock all had older kids. But they entered allot of teams and paid allot of money for multiple days, so play on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/18/14 05:32 PM
Strange that 91 Orange did not play against Igloo in this tournament?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/18/14 05:41 PM
Yes. If he is in the 5th Grade and anticipating graduating in 2021 then he would play on a 5th grade 2021 team. Whatever hoops his parents jump through to get there, it would no longer be cheating. Then people can brag about their kids on BOTC in good standing. Certain towns hold all their kids back just for this reason. Don't belittle all the work, time and money their parents put in to holding their kid back. You have to grasp that Lacrosse is not going to an age based braket in our kid's timeframe or ever. And I am sure the "TLI is the bestest ever because... " comment will follow here...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/18/14 06:15 PM
I think the problem people have with igloo here is that we always listen to them point to US Lacrosse age brackets to justify having 6th graders on a 2021 team. They claim they never cheat and play within the rules. Well here one can argue they did not play within the rules. If they want to play in grade based tounaments they should call themseves a 5/6 grade team not 2021. It is not right to want to be known as THE BEST 2021 team and enter in grade based tounaments as a 5th grade team with 6th graders. We are not talking about the great player(S) they have who are in 5th grade and should be in 6th. The problem is the 6th graders playing in a 5th grade bracket. Igloo is not a true 2021 team. They are a 5/6th grade team when playing grade based games and should play against 6th graders. Having said that they are the best 5/6 grade team and I think 91 for now is the best 2021 team until someone beats them with all 5th graders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just a question, if a parent went to the school on Friday and filed paperwork to have him moved down to 5th grade, then Monday morning filled out paperwork to have him put backin 6th then it would be all good right ? Thats why this grade thing is idiotic.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
But the tournament was by GRADE. A player in the 6th grade should not have been playing in a 5th grade bracket much less a 2021 team. Whether or not the one player makes a difference or if other teams are doing it is irrelevant. Those were the rules and why certain towns hold all their kids back. But since you know that no tournament director or league official will ever question a kids age or challenge a roster I guess its OK to cheat. It was very obvious that the out of state teams at Shamrock all had older kids. But they entered allot of teams and paid allot of money for multiple days, so play on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/18/14 07:40 PM
DOes eh fact that Igloo probably doe not have kids any older then 91 make a difference at all ? How about they are one of the best u11 teams ? DOes 91 and Express NOT play in U brackets outside of NY ? AN when they do , do you think they check to make sure every player is age eligible? Every think maybe Igloo checked with the tournemant directors and where told its okay ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think the problem people have with igloo here is that we always listen to them point to US Lacrosse age brackets to justify having 6th graders on a 2021 team. They claim they never cheat and play within the rules. Well here one can argue they did not play within the rules. If they want to play in grade based tounaments they should call themseves a 5/6 grade team not 2021. It is not right to want to be known as THE BEST 2021 team and enter in grade based tounaments as a 5th grade team with 6th graders. We are not talking about the great player(S) they have who are in 5th grade and should be in 6th. The problem is the 6th graders playing in a 5th grade bracket. Igloo is not a true 2021 team. They are a 5/6th grade team when playing grade based games and should play against 6th graders. Having said that they are the best 5/6 grade team and I think 91 for now is the best 2021 team until someone beats them with all 5th graders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just a question, if a parent went to the school on Friday and filed paperwork to have him moved down to 5th grade, then Monday morning filled out paperwork to have him put backin 6th then it would be all good right ? Thats why this grade thing is idiotic.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
But the tournament was by GRADE. A player in the 6th grade should not have been playing in a 5th grade bracket much less a 2021 team. Whether or not the one player makes a difference or if other teams are doing it is irrelevant. Those were the rules and why certain towns hold all their kids back. But since you know that no tournament director or league official will ever question a kids age or challenge a roster I guess its OK to cheat. It was very obvious that the out of state teams at Shamrock all had older kids. But they entered allot of teams and paid allot of money for multiple days, so play on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/18/14 07:40 PM
It is ultimately up to the Directors of a tournament, and their sponsors and insurers, to decide a team's eligibility for a tournament bracket. If the decision is made to accept U based teams into the tournament, the question becomes where to properly place them. In the closest age appropriate bracket, as mandated by their Insurers, US Lacrosse, or in the highest possible age bracket as manadated by Anonymous? If a tournament wishes to follow a strict interpretation of their own advertised bracketing, in total disregard of their Insurers, US Lacrosse, they should turn away the U-Based teams and deny their application. Problem solved. If they decide to admit U based teams, they must place them in the proper age appropriate brackets. How old were the 3 Tribes and Rising Sons kids? There is no way to tell. The U11 Igloo team is age appropriate for a 2021A bracket and were properly placed.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think the problem people have with igloo here is that we always listen to them point to US Lacrosse age brackets to justify having 6th graders on a 2021 team. They claim they never cheat and play within the rules. Well here one can argue they did not play within the rules. If they want to play in grade based tounaments they should call themseves a 5/6 grade team not 2021. It is not right to want to be known as THE BEST 2021 team and enter in grade based tounaments as a 5th grade team with 6th graders. We are not talking about the great player(S) they have who are in 5th grade and should be in 6th. The problem is the 6th graders playing in a 5th grade bracket. Igloo is not a true 2021 team. They are a 5/6th grade team when playing grade based games and should play against 6th graders. Having said that they are the best 5/6 grade team and I think 91 for now is the best 2021 team until someone beats them with all 5th graders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just a question, if a parent went to the school on Friday and filed paperwork to have him moved down to 5th grade, then Monday morning filled out paperwork to have him put backin 6th then it would be all good right ? Thats why this grade thing is idiotic.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
But the tournament was by GRADE. A player in the 6th grade should not have been playing in a 5th grade bracket much less a 2021 team. Whether or not the one player makes a difference or if other teams are doing it is irrelevant. Those were the rules and why certain towns hold all their kids back. But since you know that no tournament director or league official will ever question a kids age or challenge a roster I guess its OK to cheat. It was very obvious that the out of state teams at Shamrock all had older kids. But they entered allot of teams and paid allot of money for multiple days, so play on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/18/14 08:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just a question, if a parent went to the school on Friday and filed paperwork to have him moved down to 5th grade, then Monday morning filled out paperwork to have him put backin 6th then it would be all good right ? Thats why this grade thing is idiotic.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
But the tournament was by GRADE. A player in the 6th grade should not have been playing in a 5th grade bracket much less a 2021 team. Whether or not the one player makes a difference or if other teams are doing it is irrelevant. Those were the rules and why certain towns hold all their kids back. But since you know that no tournament director or league official will ever question a kids age or challenge a roster I guess its OK to cheat. It was very obvious that the out of state teams at Shamrock all had older kids. But they entered allot of teams and paid allot of money for multiple days, so play on.


Bottom line is you should play in a bracket that is concurrent with the grade of your highest grade player in a grade based tournament. If you have even 1 6th grader on your team regardless of age of that 6th grader, and the rest are in 5th grade, that team should be registered as a 6th grade team period. Its a very simple concept. If you want a 6th grade kid on a 5th grade team that badly then play 6th grade. Many grade based tournaments now make this a requirement in their tournament announcements.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/18/14 10:24 PM
What is all the talk about igloo they didn't even win this tournament?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/18/14 11:59 PM
And when the 2021 team splay out of state they need to make sure none of their players are to old, but they dont do that do they ? SO the same people crying about Igloo have NO issue when their own team does the same thing out of State. Pot Kettle
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just a question, if a parent went to the school on Friday and filed paperwork to have him moved down to 5th grade, then Monday morning filled out paperwork to have him put backin 6th then it would be all good right ? Thats why this grade thing is idiotic.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
But the tournament was by GRADE. A player in the 6th grade should not have been playing in a 5th grade bracket much less a 2021 team. Whether or not the one player makes a difference or if other teams are doing it is irrelevant. Those were the rules and why certain towns hold all their kids back. But since you know that no tournament director or league official will ever question a kids age or challenge a roster I guess its OK to cheat. It was very obvious that the out of state teams at Shamrock all had older kids. But they entered allot of teams and paid allot of money for multiple days, so play on.


Bottom line is you should play in a bracket that is concurrent with the grade of your highest grade player in a grade based tournament. If you have even 1 6th grader on your team regardless of age of that 6th grader, and the rest are in 5th grade, that team should be registered as a 6th grade team period. Its a very simple concept. If you want a 6th grade kid on a 5th grade team that badly then play 6th grade. Many grade based tournaments now make this a requirement in their tournament announcements.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/19/14 12:28 AM
91 didn't play Igloo because Igloo failed to make the championship game
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/19/14 12:30 AM
91 didn't play Igloo because they failed to qualify for the championship game
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/19/14 01:46 AM
Bunch of cry babies about the age. If a tournament is grade based then its Grade based period. If they want have a grade based with age restriction then they need to set it up that way. The Rising Sons and 3 Tribes came to a grade based tournament that we held here on the island, based on their grade. Its good to see out of town teams come in and have a good showing. I've told all of you the rest of the country was catching up to us. Especially the warmer states. Nice job 3 tribe and Rising Sons. You know you represented well when they complain like this :-)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/19/14 02:21 PM
91 should buy the Rising Sons dinner for knocking off 91 spinoff Legacy and knocking Igloo out of the championship
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/19/14 03:30 PM
I lot of haters on this thread - there is a long tournament season ahead!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/19/14 03:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I lot of haters on this thread - there is a long tournament season ahead!


Agreed. Can't judge teams on a cold tournament in March without outdoor practices. Have this conversation in early August.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/19/14 04:12 PM
At tryout time I was grateful for another serious outlet allowing the boys to play competitive lacrosse.

Seeing an organization have multiple ages and teams is a good thing and promising. It is good for the all the boys and LI lacrosse. Sure things havnt gone perfect but I wouldnt exactly call it bad either.

Call that drinking the coolaide, that's okay.

I just want my son in a situation to be competitive, continue learning the game, increase his lax IQ, play with teammates of the same caliber. If I do that they will have the chance to win each game. Because after all, it is a sporting contest and you play to win.











Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/19/14 09:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 should buy the Rising Sons dinner for knocking off 91 spinoff Legacy and knocking Igloo out of the championship


I am not a 91 fan, but didn't 91 orange beat Rising Sons ???
yes, they did. I know it was cold, and I know that igloo is far superior than the Rising Sons (with or without the older kids they brought). But you cant take this championship away from them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/19/14 11:02 PM
Why do people kerp insisting Igloo kids r "older " chances r the 2021 teams have "older" kids who where held back and would NOT qualify for U11. I never hear about the 2021 teams not allowing certain players to not play when they go out of state and play u11
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/20/14 12:38 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 should buy the Rising Sons dinner for knocking off 91 spinoff Legacy and knocking Igloo out of the championship


Obviously your just trying to stir the lot because rising sons did not play legacy. Rising sons played igloo and won 91 and lost and icon and lost. So it's safe to say the two teams the ended up in the championship were the two teams that deserved to be there. Now it know that hard for the igloo cult to grasp but it's the way things went that way. The top of 2021 is up for grabs and it's anyone's game
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/20/14 12:50 AM
Sons were missing their lsm starting pole and 3 top middies. Can't wait for crabfeast
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/20/14 09:55 PM
Any word on 2014 OBLL Spring Season?

How about Nassau County Lacrosse League?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/20/14 10:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do people kerp insisting Igloo kids r "older " chances r the 2021 teams have "older" kids who where held back and would NOT qualify for U11. I never hear about the 2021 teams not allowing certain players to not play when they go out of state and play u11


I was implying Rising Sons had older kids. Very big. There's no way all those kids can be bigger than every other kid on the other teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/20/14 11:06 PM
milk cow hormones
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do people kerp insisting Igloo kids r "older " chances r the 2021 teams have "older" kids who where held back and would NOT qualify for U11. I never hear about the 2021 teams not allowing certain players to not play when they go out of state and play u11


I was implying Rising Sons had older kids. Very big. There's no way all those kids can be bigger than every other kid on the other teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/20/14 11:48 PM
They're Amish, they don't put hormones in their milk.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
milk cow hormones
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do people kerp insisting Igloo kids r "older " chances r the 2021 teams have "older" kids who where held back and would NOT qualify for U11. I never hear about the 2021 teams not allowing certain players to not play when they go out of state and play u11


I was implying Rising Sons had older kids. Very big. There's no way all those kids can be bigger than every other kid on the other teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/21/14 12:10 AM
Working at the puppy mill is hard work! No wonder they are so big and strong.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
They're Amish, they don't put hormones in their milk.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
milk cow hormones
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do people kerp insisting Igloo kids r "older " chances r the 2021 teams have "older" kids who where held back and would NOT qualify for U11. I never hear about the 2021 teams not allowing certain players to not play when they go out of state and play u11


I was implying Rising Sons had older kids. Very big. There's no way all those kids can be bigger than every other kid on the other teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/21/14 11:32 PM
Don't be haters when a team outside of the Island has a good showing and then you think we have older kids. The reality is we don't have 15 travel teams so we can capture the biggest and best players on one team. Sons look forward to playing in future tourneys with the LI teams.
Posted By: Sons2020 Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/21/14 11:54 PM
You are right that we are big, we are. However, our kids are all in the proper grade. We also play in a football league that is non weighted so we have 80lb 6th graders going up against 150lb linebackers and full backs. We know all about our size our kids play against each other every weekend in the fall. Some of my Dpoles have almost killed thier "lacrosse teammates" in football games. We look for big athletic kids and try and teach them how to play lax. Their starting to get it. Still gotta long way to go but we are on a good course.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/22/14 12:01 AM
Thats the best you have, the Sons were older? Check their roster, there was 5 4th graders on it and the rest 5th. We will own the 2021 division this Summer. If thats the best you got on the Island? The Sons were missing 5 kids that are some of the top players in the philly area.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/22/14 12:50 AM
I tend to disagree. You have Sons, Freedom, Man UP, HHH, Fever, Trashcan, Wetbandits, Roughriders, 380, Bucks Select, Rippin Rope, Black Bear, and i'm sure a few more all within a 30 mile radius. I'm probably missing a few others. The Island is a huge area to pull from. I'm going to be curious to see this program in 2 years. This is their first full summer. They did one tournament last summer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/22/14 01:18 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thats the best you have, the Sons were older? Check their roster, there was 5 4th graders on it and the rest 5th. We will own the 2021 division this Summer. If thats the best you got on the Island? The Sons were missing 5 kids that are some of the top players in the philly area.


Who are rising sons? Have never heard of before. Only Philly team I've heard of is dukes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/22/14 12:33 PM
Isn't 2021 5th graders?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/22/14 07:25 PM
Originally Posted by Sons2020
You are right that we are big, we are. However, our kids are all in the proper grade. We also play in a football league that is non weighted so we have 80lb 6th graders going up against 150lb linebackers and full backs. We know all about our size our kids play against each other every weekend in the fall. Some of my Dpoles have almost killed thier "lacrosse teammates" in football games. We look for big athletic kids and try and teach them how to play lax. Their starting to get it. Still gotta long way to go but we are on a good course.


Don't get too worked up over some of the idiots who post here. I'm from long island and my son plays on one of the elite travel teams. Some of the parents are a complete embarrassment. I love the sport of lacrosse but hate a lot of the people involved in the sport. I can't speak for Philly but on long island some of the people involved in lacrosse are some of the most self centered stuck up people you will ever meet. My son also wrestles at a high level and the atmosphere at wrestling tournaments is totally different. Not all Long islanders are snobs. Just a lot of them here are. Good luck with your club. We look forward to seeing you guys in the future.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/24/14 03:04 AM
It started this weekend...I know 2021 Express Wolverines beat 2021 91 Orange on Saturday.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/24/14 03:43 AM
Rising Sons are a brand new program that have had some early success. They will be competing in their first full summer this year. 3 teams, 2019, 2020 and 2021
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/24/14 11:02 AM
Are there other travel teams near you or do you guys corner teh market ? WHat do they hot your for a season ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons are a brand new program that have had some early success. They will be competing in their first full summer this year. 3 teams, 2019, 2020 and 2021
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/24/14 12:35 PM
That is a milestone for the Wolverines as they were not impressive watching them play ,and more so from the look of thing not well coached at all . 91 must have been missing players as they should have blown this team out.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
It started this weekend...I know 2021 Express Wolverines beat 2021 91 Orange on Saturday.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/24/14 05:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are there other travel teams near you or do you guys corner teh market ? WHat do they hot your for a season ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons are a brand new program that have had some early success. They will be competing in their first full summer this year. 3 teams, 2019, 2020 and 2021


There are a bunch of clubs in Philly but most are of the cash cow variety. $1000 gets you 3 tournaments maybe 10 practices with a coach who is probably a great player but doesn't have any experience coaching the game or more specifically coaching youth lacrosse players. There are a few (rising sons, freedom, CB selects) that make little if any profit and have established solid volunteer coaches. The better players are migrating to these clubs cause they get better value, play on a better team and go to better tournaments. I would imagine that if 91, igloo, LIE, or Icon were to come down and play any of the [lacrosse] cow clubs that they would need an NBA score board to keep track of the goals.

I think for Rising Sons we pay $600 for 5-6 tournaments plus year round training. Fall and Winter stuff is ala carte since winter sports take their toll on our roster and we have to use subs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/24/14 10:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That is a milestone for the Wolverines as they were not impressive watching them play ,and more so from the look of thing not well coached at all . 91 must have been missing players as they should have blown this team out.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
It started this weekend...I know 2021 Express Wolverines beat 2021 91 Orange on Saturday.


Probably have your teams confused. The Wolves are solid. There is also two other Express teams at this age level.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/25/14 12:26 AM
The Wolverines are a solid A team and have gotten better since last year. There are 2 additional 2021 teams. I dont know what they call them but they are far from A teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/25/14 10:50 AM
Solid A is a Bold Statement when they lose to town teams , That is not considered "solid A" with those inconsistences !
Don't kid yourself they are a solid B team .

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Wolverines are a solid A team and have gotten better since last year. There are 2 additional 2021 teams. I dont know what they call them but they are far from A teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/25/14 11:30 AM
And what great team is your kid on Girl Scout ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/25/14 11:45 AM
When did they wolverines loose to a town team this year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/25/14 12:19 PM
Not confused at all , I know this team and know some of the players , otherwise I would not have made this statement.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That is a milestone for the Wolverines as they were not impressive watching them play ,and more so from the look of thing not well coached at all . 91 must have been missing players as they should have blown this team out.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
It started this weekend...I know 2021 Express Wolverines beat 2021 91 Orange on Saturday.


Probably have your teams confused. The Wolves are solid. There is also two other Express teams at this age level.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/25/14 01:05 PM
Hey didn't they lose to SWR and Manhasset ?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
When did they wolverines loose to a town team this year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/25/14 07:01 PM
They are better then a B team by far. I dont think they where as good as Igloo or 91 but they where far better then say teh Outlaws, Jesters or True Blue. There is some confusion this year because one of the new teams is calling itself an A team. I would say the Wolverines last year where an A- . This year, too early
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Solid A is a Bold Statement when they lose to town teams , That is not considered "solid A" with those inconsistences !
Don't kid yourself they are a solid B team .

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Wolverines are a solid A team and have gotten better since last year. There are 2 additional 2021 teams. I dont know what they call them but they are far from A teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/25/14 07:14 PM
Where does the Team 91 Stampede rank at this age? I know they are a 2021/2022 team but heard good things.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/25/14 07:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where does the Team 91 Stampede rank at this age? I know they are a 2021/2022 team but heard good things.


Great coaches, but definitely a developmental team at this age given the entire team hasn't practiced together yet. Hoping practices kick off soon.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/26/14 09:49 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They are better then a B team by far. I dont think they where as good as Igloo or 91 but they where far better then say teh Outlaws, Jesters or True Blue. There is some confusion this year because one of the new teams is calling itself an A team. I would say the Wolverines last year where an A- . This year, too early
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Solid A is a Bold Statement when they lose to town teams , That is not considered "solid A" with those inconsistences !
Don't kid yourself they are a solid B team .

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Wolverines are a solid A team and have gotten better since last year. There are 2 additional 2021 teams. I dont know what they call them but they are far from A teams.


I am not a express fan, in fact I dislike the organization, but...the 2021 wolverines did not lose to a town team. They have entered 2 express barracuda teams in tourneys. And when they do, 1 plays in a A bracket and the other in a B bracket. That barracuda team playing in the A bracket lost to a town team. But I applaud them for not putting both teams in B. the wolverine team is a top 3 team by the way. They beat 91 orange already this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/26/14 11:10 AM
My son plays for the Barracudas , please refresh us which town team we lost to because the only town teams we played were Manhasset and Northport with the A and they were far from a loss. There are two teams as everyone knows, the winter was shuffled around with the two teams and as far as I know and the team you are referring too which plays in the A has not lost a game at all over the winter, and that's including against the Icon A team which we know for a fact the Wolverines had lost to from the Icon parents. Lets not kid anyone winter means nothing , the competition level is tremendous and each week there is a new surprise so lets not jump to whos better just yet !
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/26/14 12:25 PM
Where does the Checkmate Shark rank at this age?

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/26/14 01:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where does the Checkmate Shark rank at this age?



You really want someone's opinion on where a team ranks after reading the threads on this forum?
I am as crazy as the next person, but really the posts here about 10 yo lacrosse are insane.
If your son is playing lax at 10, clubs offer teams at every level for your player, which is a good thing. If he is on a team where it's all about winning and he runs one shift per half, move him to another team where he gets more time on the field. They learn lacrosse IQ more during games then practices. They need to be on the field.
Clubs find equal competition for every team at every level, some days go well, some don't but if your son is playing and wants to play, that's what it is all about.
There are some excellent teams at the 2021 age and competition is always spirited and I would never take anything away from these kids that perform at a very high level at 10. But everyone needs to check their ego at the door and just make sure your player is having fun and developing. It's a long road ahead to the D1 players everyone thinks they have at this young age.
This is just my opinion and I am sure I will get chastised in subsequent posts about how I know and understand nothing about what is and is not important. Face the facts, the kids enjoy running around the hotel with their teammates just as much if not more than the tournament to which we travel. Have fun, they are 10 and don't burn them out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/26/14 01:18 PM
"year round training" sure is vague. Possible for you to expound? I am sure that many of us have heard that before. Referring to the Rising Sons' claim. Good Luck
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/26/14 06:13 PM
So howd you do at Shamrock ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son plays for the Barracudas , please refresh us which town team we lost to because the only town teams we played were Manhasset and Northport with the A and they were far from a loss. There are two teams as everyone knows, the winter was shuffled around with the two teams and as far as I know and the team you are referring too which plays in the A has not lost a game at all over the winter, and that's including against the Icon A team which we know for a fact the Wolverines had lost to from the Icon parents. Lets not kid anyone winter means nothing , the competition level is tremendous and each week there is a new surprise so lets not jump to whos better just yet !
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/28/14 10:50 PM
What time has more upside for a player at the age Checkmate sharks or team 91 Stampede 2021/2022?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/29/14 02:07 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where does the Checkmate Shark rank at this age?



You really want someone's opinion on where a team ranks after reading the threads on this forum?
I am as crazy as the next person, but really the posts here about 10 yo lacrosse are insane.
If your son is playing lax at 10, clubs offer teams at every level for your player, which is a good thing. If he is on a team where it's all about winning and he runs one shift per half, move him to another team where he gets more time on the field. They learn lacrosse IQ more during games then practices. They need to be on the field.
Clubs find equal competition for every team at every level, some days go well, some don't but if your son is playing and wants to play, that's what it is all about.
There are some excellent teams at the 2021 age and competition is always spirited and I would never take anything away from these kids that perform at a very high level at 10. But everyone needs to check their ego at the door and just make sure your player is having fun and developing. It's a long road ahead to the D1 players everyone thinks they have at this young age.
This is just my opinion and I am sure I will get chastised in subsequent posts about how I know and understand nothing about what is and is not important. Face the facts, the kids enjoy running around the hotel with their teammates just as much if not more than the tournament to which we travel. Have fun, they are 10 and don't burn them out.

No chastising here, I think you are spot on dude. Way to many dads living vicariously thru their kids these days. It's become an epidemic.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/29/14 01:12 PM
Exactly, who cares where the team ranks or if they win X amount of tournaments. Is he playing lacrosse and learning something thats all that matters at this age. Don't buy into hype.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/29/14 01:25 PM
How does looking at the different 2021 clubs and showing appreciation for the ones who are talented and run well equate to living through your son ? My kids not on an A team but I have friends whos kids are and I enjoy competitive level they play on and we at times talk about the diffrent clubs and what we think of them.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where does the Checkmate Shark rank at this age?



You really want someone's opinion on where a team ranks after reading the threads on this forum?
I am as crazy as the next person, but really the posts here about 10 yo lacrosse are insane.
If your son is playing lax at 10, clubs offer teams at every level for your player, which is a good thing. If he is on a team where it's all about winning and he runs one shift per half, move him to another team where he gets more time on the field. They learn lacrosse IQ more during games then practices. They need to be on the field.
Clubs find equal competition for every team at every level, some days go well, some don't but if your son is playing and wants to play, that's what it is all about.
There are some excellent teams at the 2021 age and competition is always spirited and I would never take anything away from these kids that perform at a very high level at 10. But everyone needs to check their ego at the door and just make sure your player is having fun and developing. It's a long road ahead to the D1 players everyone thinks they have at this young age.
This is just my opinion and I am sure I will get chastised in subsequent posts about how I know and understand nothing about what is and is not important. Face the facts, the kids enjoy running around the hotel with their teammates just as much if not more than the tournament to which we travel. Have fun, they are 10 and don't burn them out.

No chastising here, I think you are spot on dude. Way to many dads living vicariously thru their kids these days. It's become an epidemic.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/29/14 02:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What time has more upside for a player at the age Checkmate sharks or team 91 Stampede 2021/2022?


If this is the first year of checkmate at this age bracket, then I would assume they are comparable. I.e. They are developmental teams looking for the kids to learn / make friends / and play with kids who want a little more competition than PAL.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 03/31/14 04:11 PM
I was just reading this and I saw the <We will own the 2021 division this summer>

That is pretty pathetic to say with a few wins and loses....

Respectfully Sir let me tell you something (My cousin is 2021 - And yes I am still a lax player)...these kids from Long Island are not gonna let that go down....Your team was very good I thought (I saw your game against 91) and you should feel good about the wins you did have that day. Come spring you will see the tempo shift and thats when you realize that driving around with a 6 cylinder gets you toasted by 400 horses under the hood. Its not even gonna be close....Its takes time to get a team to the consistent level of some of these teams but you are on your way. Good luck!!!! Not being mean...Just being realistic.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/08/14 02:40 PM
I'm from a non-hotbed region and the head coach of 2021 travel team. Don't think I'll face any LI teams this Summer but I enjoy following some of their success (my kids love watching the Team 91 U11 [lacrosse]'s highlight vid from a year or so ago).

Anyway, I'm likely to face some good Maryland teams this Summer. How have the LI 2021 teams done against teams like the Crabs 2021 team, the Breakers U11AA team and/or the MadLax U11AA?

Thanks in advance.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/08/14 03:12 PM
You should ask this question in the MD forum to get a non-biased opinion! Actually I think LI is better at the top. Igloo and 91 would beat the teams you have listed.

We will find out in June at Crabfest
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/08/14 03:44 PM
You will get many opinions with this kind of question but at the very top LI is probably better but after the top three teams it becomes a wash. There is so much money to be made off of these parents that there are probably 50 so called "elite" teams in each region. 4-5 are really solid the rest you wouldn't know were from hotbed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/08/14 07:26 PM
There are several top organizations throughout LI as there are in other areas of the country. That does not necessarily mean that all age groups are the same though within the organizations. Some ages may be stronger than other just because some players may be more skilled, some age groups may play more baseball or other sports, instead of lacrosse, etc.
At the 2021 age group on LI there are 3 dominant teams: in no particular order:
Team LI 2021
Igloo 2021
Team 91 Orange 2021
To compare them to the top Maryland teams is difficult as they do not typically play one another. This year they will all be at the Crabfest. Regardless of who wins what I think we can all garauntee some good competitive lacrosse. So, with that said, "hats off" to these top tier teams and good luck in MD.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/08/14 08:16 PM
Since when has Team LI been a dominant team in 2021.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/08/14 08:34 PM
I'll put them in order for you -

1. Igloo 2021
2. Team 91 Orange
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/08/14 08:44 PM
Thanks - I thought Crabfeast was 2017 teams only.

The Crabs 2021 team won the 2013 Greene Turtle Fall Invitational. Based on their full videos on youtube from that tournament against MadLax, Looney's and Breakers, they certainly looked a notch better and much taller than those other 3 MD teams. Wasn't sure if any of those teams played LI teams in 2013.

Anyway, just curious. I like to see how the very best U11 teams play because it informs me on how I should aspire my kids to play. The triple-threat position, incredibly quick passing and great time-and-room shooting of the prior Team 91 U11 team (when they were in the middle of 6th grade at that point on December 31st) is pretty great stuff to watch. I aimed a lot of my Fall practice drills at developing those skills in my kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/09/14 12:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'll put them in order for you -

1. Igloo 2021
2. Team 91 Orange


Ask team 91 Orange if Team LI should be rated among the top 3. The last 2 meetings went to Team LI. Again, all 3 teams are very good and any matchup could go either way regardless of who plays who.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/09/14 01:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'll put them in order for you -

1. Igloo 2021
2. Team 91 Orange


Don't be so sure. I have seen Team LI 2021 play and they will compete with the 2 listed above. Igloo's dominance, if you want to call it that as they are only in 5th grade, is over. Also, 91 Orange could take Igloo any given day.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/09/14 01:32 PM
Would love to see TL play Igloo.
Seems to me they are never in the same tournaments.
No 2021 LI team has beaten Igloo.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/09/14 01:38 PM
Who makes this stuff up ? Igloo loses one game to a out of toen team and suddenly its over for them ? Orange is better ? Have they beaten them yet ? Yes or no ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'll put them in order for you -

1. Igloo 2021
2. Team 91 Orange


Don't be so sure. I have seen Team LI 2021 play and they will compete with the 2 listed above. Igloo's dominance, if you want to call it that as they are only in 5th grade, is over. Also, 91 Orange could take Igloo any given day.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/09/14 01:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'll put them in order for you -

1. Igloo 2021
2. Team 91 Orange


Don't be so sure. I have seen Team LI 2021 play and they will compete with the 2 listed above. Igloo's dominance, if you want to call it that as they are only in 5th grade, is over. Also, 91 Orange could take Igloo any given day.



Lets take the top players from each team: 2 attack/ea, 3 middies/ea, 2 defenseman/ea and 2 goalies and make a true elite team. Maybe then we can stop the argument on who is more dominant. LI or MD. LI is obviously watered down, yet these 3 teams will compete in June in MD and hopefully win the crabfest.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/09/14 01:56 PM
91 Orange is a very good team. And yes, everyone is beatable on any given day. Let's not forget the past tournaments were Igloo played 91 or indoor (yes it's just indoor).

Just setting the record straight. Some parents are getting silly on this and start believing what they write or read.

Once again - let's not forget they are only in 5th grade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/09/14 05:37 PM
Orange is not the team that has consistently been portrayed as unstoppable , they are far from elite but far from terrible , that makes them average ! They have had their shares of loses and to teams you would least expect. The talent pool across the island in this age group is tremendous with many travel programs having stronger teams as the maturity of the lacrosse IQ has gotten stronger with the 2021 level , maybe years ago this core group team was once the team to be on and the team to beat. Not so anymore ! Igloo is also fading as well , welcome to Puberty Gents !


Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 Orange is a very good team. And yes, everyone is beatable on any given day. Let's not forget the past tournaments were Igloo played 91 or indoor (yes it's just indoor).

Just setting the record straight. Some parents are getting silly on this and start believing what they write or read.

Once again - let's not forget they are only in 5th grade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/09/14 05:43 PM
Igloo is the best 5th/6th grade team playing in the 2021 year. 91 is the best pure 5th grade team playing in the 2021 year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Would love to see TL play Igloo.
Seems to me they are never in the same tournaments.
No 2021 LI team has beaten Igloo.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/09/14 06:56 PM
Can you attest that 91 DOES NOT have kids as old or older then Igloo ? WHen 91 plays out of state do they make sure when they play the U brackets that they check their roster to make sure a held back kid is not too old ? No, they frekin dont, STop crying , the kids on those tow teams are the same age.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo is the best 5th/6th grade team playing in the 2021 year. 91 is the best pure 5th grade team playing in the 2021 year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Would love to see TL play Igloo.
Seems to me they are never in the same tournaments.
No 2021 LI team has beaten Igloo.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/09/14 07:07 PM
Wow - Igloo is fading?! Not sure what games you have been watching or if you are getting all your intel from BOTC.

Igloo actually appears stronger then last year.

Games are won/lost on the field not on BOTC.

Stop trying to convince yourself. Once again time will tell.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/09/14 07:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can you attest that 91 DOES NOT have kids as old or older then Igloo ? WHen 91 plays out of state do they make sure when they play the U brackets that they check their roster to make sure a held back kid is not too old ? No, they frekin dont, STop crying , the kids on those tow teams are the same age.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo is the best 5th/6th grade team playing in the 2021 year. 91 is the best pure 5th grade team playing in the 2021 year.

[quote=Anonymous]Would love to see TL play Igloo.
Seems to me they are never in the same tournaments.
No 2021 LI team has beaten Igloo.
[/quot

NO, there is no need to check. A local area such as LI, NY has several large clubs, fielding 1,2,or even 3 teams at each age division. A dishonest registrant would not last one event on an incorrect age bracketed team. We see each other so often at all local league events and tourneys, that this is simply so. NO parent would allow it, as we see evidenced upon these threads. I can NOT speak for teams while out of town, but as far as ROSTERING a kid incorrectly, this would not, has not, and will not happen. Competing teams would squawk louder than all of you here, combined. Just as you accuse us of crying, then you would imagine the crying if we were to get into the whole re-classification thing, or PG, or whatever scam some folks use to get a leg up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/09/14 09:03 PM
Really. SO your telling me at tryouts 91 and Express make sure that nobody in that grade level was held back and would violate a U bracket when they compete out of State ? There tryouts go by GRADE and they play out of state and have never to my knowledge told a player he couldnt compete because of it. Your deluding yourself. The truth is that the kids on the Island teams are pretty much all the same age but this is a way to make you feel better about losing to Igloo.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can you attest that 91 DOES NOT have kids as old or older then Igloo ? WHen 91 plays out of state do they make sure when they play the U brackets that they check their roster to make sure a held back kid is not too old ? No, they frekin dont, STop crying , the kids on those tow teams are the same age.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo is the best 5th/6th grade team playing in the 2021 year. 91 is the best pure 5th grade team playing in the 2021 year.

[quote=Anonymous]Would love to see TL play Igloo.
Seems to me they are never in the same tournaments.
No 2021 LI team has beaten Igloo.
[/quot

NO, there is no need to check. A local area such as LI, NY has several large clubs, fielding 1,2,or even 3 teams at each age division. A dishonest registrant would not last one event on an incorrect age bracketed team. We see each other so often at all local league events and tourneys, that this is simply so. NO parent would allow it, as we see evidenced upon these threads. I can NOT speak for teams while out of town, but as far as ROSTERING a kid incorrectly, this would not, has not, and will not happen. Competing teams would squawk louder than all of you here, combined. Just as you accuse us of crying, then you would imagine the crying if we were to get into the whole re-classification thing, or PG, or whatever scam some folks use to get a leg up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/09/14 10:14 PM
Where does Icon 2021 fit compared to the top three? Are they close?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/09/14 10:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Really. SO your telling me at tryouts 91 and Express make sure that nobody in that grade level was held back and would violate a U bracket when they compete out of State ? There tryouts go by GRADE and they play out of state and have never to my knowledge told a player he couldnt compete because of it. Your deluding yourself. The truth is that the kids on the Island teams are pretty much all the same age but this is a way to make you feel better about losing to Igloo.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can you attest that 91 DOES NOT have kids as old or older then Igloo ? WHen 91 plays out of state do they make sure when they play the U brackets that they check their roster to make sure a held back kid is not too old ? No, they frekin dont, STop crying , the kids on those tow teams are the same age.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo is the best 5th/6th grade team playing in the 2021 year. 91 is the best pure 5th grade team playing in the 2021 year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Would love to see TL play Igloo.
Seems to me they are never in the same tournaments.
No 2021 LI team has beaten Igloo.


NO, there is no need to check. A local area such as LI, NY has several large clubs, fielding 1,2,or even 3 teams at each age division. A dishonest registrant would not last one event on an incorrect age bracketed team. We see each other so often at all local league events and tourneys, that this is simply so. NO parent would allow it, as we see evidenced upon these threads. I can NOT speak for teams while out of town, but as far as ROSTERING a kid incorrectly, this would not, has not, and will not happen. Competing teams would squawk louder than all of you here, combined. Just as you accuse us of crying, then you would imagine the crying if we were to get into the whole re-classification thing, or PG, or whatever scam some folks use to get a leg up.

Wow. Me, delusional. Have a nice day, friend. Wait. Perhaps I should explain my point. This would not be managed by the club. The involvement of competing parents would not allow this. Can you imagine, let's say, @ Express teams and one or two 91 teams at the same event, and one was to finish higher in bracket.... Do you not think that, (being that little Johnnie's knowledge of almost WHO, HOW OLD, and IN WHAT GRADE every kid is in) the competing factions of the clubs would blow the whole thing wide open? You may be CORRECT about how insane most of this all is! My ONLY intention is to illustrate that the MD PA< etc., methods of cheating (hold back, PG, etc) would not work here because these clubs and kids AND parents have all run with one another along the way at some point. NOT saying that they aren't crazy, but the age cheat will NOT go without being exposed around here.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/09/14 11:08 PM
Talent wise they are up there. The problem with Icon is they don't practice as much as the top 2 as a team. If they did they would be top 2 or at least make a 3 or 4 horse race. I think they don't practice in the fall and winter and start late spring into summer but I am not sure of that. I do know they don't practice like Igloo does.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where does Icon 2021 fit compared to the top three? Are they close?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/10/14 01:51 AM
I believe ICON and 91 were in the finals at Shamrock, where was Igloo? Shamrock is one of the only tournaments that all the top teams attend. Laxfest is the next so I guess we will have to see.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/10/14 12:33 PM
I am convinced that everyone has at least one or two Aug-July birthday holdbacks playing on their grade based teams. That would put them over in terms of U11 play. As long as US lacrosse lacks a robust age verification system like hockey and the tournament directors are making a fortune nothing is going to change. Deal with it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/10/14 12:36 PM
We all know that Igloo lost to those Rising Sons from PA
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/10/14 01:15 PM
Hey correct , Igloo did lose to the rising sons 2021 team , so how strong are they again?
OH and Stop trying to convince YOURSELF they are strong enough to play competitive in the 6th grade bracket , You will not compete against Crush or Titanium.

Lets hear your whining now.........

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow - Igloo is fading?! Not sure what games you have been watching or if you are getting all your intel from BOTC.

Igloo actually appears stronger then last year.

Games are won/lost on the field not on BOTC.

Stop trying to convince yourself. Once again time will tell.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/10/14 02:24 PM
Genius - where did you see in the previous post - Igloo can beat Crush (or play competive - according your post).

According to your logic - that means the other 2021 teams can compete against Crush.

Stop making up arguments to convince yourself.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/10/14 02:32 PM
By that logic the Seattle Seahawks are not the best team in the NFL because they lost a game. Igloo 2021 has been dominating their age bracket for a while. not prepared afte ron eloss to suddenly put other teams who they have beaten on a regular basis ahead of them
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey correct , Igloo did lose to the rising sons 2021 team , so how strong are they again?
OH and Stop trying to convince YOURSELF they are strong enough to play competitive in the 6th grade bracket , You will not compete against Crush or Titanium.

Lets hear your whining now.........

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow - Igloo is fading?! Not sure what games you have been watching or if you are getting all your intel from BOTC.

Igloo actually appears stronger then last year.

Games are won/lost on the field not on BOTC.

Stop trying to convince yourself. Once again time will tell.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/10/14 05:21 PM
We know they may be in the "proper grade", but are they the same age as these other kids. Most 2021 kids were born in 2003, maybe the end of 2002. All other kids are considered older.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/10/14 06:45 PM
Set up a round robin with these teams.
On at a neutral site so you all can get some sleep.
LI lax fest is too far away.
Igloo, 91, TIL and anyone else you all see fit.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/10/14 07:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Set up a round robin with these teams.
On at a neutral site so you all can get some sleep.
LI lax fest is too far away.
Igloo, 91, TIL and anyone else you all see fit.


And have everyone bring a birth certificate.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/10/14 10:22 PM
I don't think people care if Igloo wins games or who they beat. Regardless of the outcome of any game we all know deep down how good our kids are. If Igloo beats 91 it does not mean that every kid on Igloo is better then every kid on 91. Reading this board that is what it seems many parents (not just Igloo parents) think. Since we all know Igloo has multible 6th graders on the 5th grade team and one of the best players they have is a 5th grade kid that is old enough to be in 6th it leaves Igloo open to be criticized. You should not be offended when age is brought up as a factor in helping Igloo succeed BECAUSE IT IS a factor. If it was not helping Igloo win games they would not take older kids. I for one think any parent who lets a kid play down a year, even for a great team like Igloo is making a big mistake. I think most would agree that a kid is better served playing with his age group even for a lesser team. Having older kids work great for a team to win games but hurts the kid playing down.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can you attest that 91 DOES NOT have kids as old or older then Igloo ? WHen 91 plays out of state do they make sure when they play the U brackets that they check their roster to make sure a held back kid is not too old ? No, they frekin dont, STop crying , the kids on those tow teams are the same age.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo is the best 5th/6th grade team playing in the 2021 year. 91 is the best pure 5th grade team playing in the 2021 year.

[quote=Anonymous]Would love to see TL play Igloo.
Seems to me they are never in the same tournaments.
No 2021 LI team has beaten Igloo.
[/quot

NO, there is no need to check. A local area such as LI, NY has several large clubs, fielding 1,2,or even 3 teams at each age division. A dishonest registrant would not last one event on an incorrect age bracketed team. We see each other so often at all local league events and tourneys, that this is simply so. NO parent would allow it, as we see evidenced upon these threads. I can NOT speak for teams while out of town, but as far as ROSTERING a kid incorrectly, this would not, has not, and will not happen. Competing teams would squawk louder than all of you here, combined. Just as you accuse us of crying, then you would imagine the crying if we were to get into the whole re-classification thing, or PG, or whatever scam some folks use to get a leg up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/11/14 01:41 AM
one of the best players they have is a 5th grade kid that is old enough to be in 6th it l Thats the POINT. How many players on 91 are old enough to be in 6th grade?.HOW MANY PLAYERS WOULD NOT MAKE THE U BRACKET BECAUSE THEY WENT GRADE NOT AGE. I bet if you compered actual ages of the kids on Igloo to 91 you'd find that they average out to to be the same age. The very thing you complaining about, a player who SHOULD be in in 6th grade is what all the year bracket teams allow. The truth is 91 could very well actually have more older kids then Igloo
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't think people care if Igloo wins games or who they beat. Regardless of the outcome of any game we all know deep down how good our kids are. If Igloo beats 91 it does not mean that every kid on Igloo is better then every kid on 91. Reading this board that is what it seems many parents (not just Igloo parents) think. Since we all know Igloo has multible 6th graders on the 5th grade team and one of the best players they have is a 5th grade kid that is old enough to be in 6th it leaves Igloo open to be criticized. You should not be offended when age is brought up as a factor in helping Igloo succeed BECAUSE IT IS a factor. If it was not helping Igloo win games they would not take older kids. I for one think any parent who lets a kid play down a year, even for a great team like Igloo is making a big mistake. I think most would agree that a kid is better served playing with his age group even for a lesser team. Having older kids work great for a team to win games but hurts the kid playing down.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can you attest that 91 DOES NOT have kids as old or older then Igloo ? WHen 91 plays out of state do they make sure when they play the U brackets that they check their roster to make sure a held back kid is not too old ? No, they frekin dont, STop crying , the kids on those tow teams are the same age.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo is the best 5th/6th grade team playing in the 2021 year. 91 is the best pure 5th grade team playing in the 2021 year.

[quote=Anonymous]Would love to see TL play Igloo.
Seems to me they are never in the same tournaments.
No 2021 LI team has beaten Igloo.
[/quot

NO, there is no need to check. A local area such as LI, NY has several large clubs, fielding 1,2,or even 3 teams at each age division. A dishonest registrant would not last one event on an incorrect age bracketed team. We see each other so often at all local league events and tourneys, that this is simply so. NO parent would allow it, as we see evidenced upon these threads. I can NOT speak for teams while out of town, but as far as ROSTERING a kid incorrectly, this would not, has not, and will not happen. Competing teams would squawk louder than all of you here, combined. Just as you accuse us of crying, then you would imagine the crying if we were to get into the whole re-classification thing, or PG, or whatever scam some folks use to get a leg up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/11/14 04:00 AM
There is also a 5th grade kid young enough to be in 4th grade I hope that makes it all better are we even NOW!!!! Enough on this nonsense please !
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/11/14 11:19 AM
Ha. If you are pissed about their 2021 ages wait until you get a look at the 2022 ages.
On a serious note until lacrosse comes together and goes to a strictly age based U cut off (SOCCER ALREADY THERE)these disputes will rage on forever. Kids move in and out of LI all the time with different age cutoffs from other states, even NYC. Kids on the grade "cusp", especially boys, are held back so they dont lag behind academically at early years. The only thing that will even the playing field is strict age based requirements. My kid is a late year birthday and kids playing in the grade under him are only weeks and a few months behind him.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/11/14 11:40 AM
If you have an Oct/Nov boy, usually people in education suggest you keep him back.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ha. If you are pissed about their 2021 ages wait until you get a look at the 2022 ages.
On a serious note until lacrosse comes together and goes to a strictly age based U cut off (SOCCER ALREADY THERE)these disputes will rage on forever. Kids move in and out of LI all the time with different age cutoffs from other states, even NYC. Kids on the grade "cusp", especially boys, are held back so they dont lag behind academically at early years. The only thing that will even the playing field is strict age based requirements. My kid is a late year birthday and kids playing in the grade under him are only weeks and a few months behind him.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/11/14 12:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ha. If you are pissed about their 2021 ages wait until you get a look at the 2022 ages.
On a serious note until lacrosse comes together and goes to a strictly age based U cut off (SOCCER ALREADY THERE)these disputes will rage on forever. Kids move in and out of LI all the time with different age cutoffs from other states, even NYC. Kids on the grade "cusp", especially boys, are held back so they dont lag behind academically at early years. The only thing that will even the playing field is strict age based requirements. My kid is a late year birthday and kids playing in the grade under him are only weeks and a few months behind him.


Same argument has been going on since BOTC started. Just play the games. You guys will continue this age thing until High School.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/11/14 01:58 PM
OK, you win. That will be the end of it. Somehow the 91 kids are older. You win. You caught us. They are all older by a couple of months, they all happened to select 91 as their club of choice, and whenever they beat another team, we can all not dispute this, because they are all older than the kids who selected other clubs. 91 slides them down one age, and Express filters their best players from 3 teams, sending them to play the game of the day, regardless of the roster. These are the reasons for all of the wins.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/11/14 02:47 PM
YOu sound like my wife when logic ruins her argument. I could care less about who wins or loses. But when people point to TLI or Igloo and says they have unfair advantage its IDIOTIC because 91 and Express and Outlaws and many others have kids JUST as old if not OLDER. Lets all REMEMBER who started CRYING claiming UNFAIR. In reality the kids on these teams average out to to the same age. In my town the grade below me has a kid who was left back and is wreaking havoc on the filed, but under you logic that okay because he plays his GRADE. By US lax rules he would be uneligable for that team. Thats why in baseball many kids end up playing with kids in the grade above, they have strict birth date rules as does football . To not bring thos up when complaining about Igloo is pushing aside facts that show your argument that Igloo is comprised of older kids may NOT be true. A kid born in August and held back would NOT be eligible for Igloo 2021 buy WOULD be eligible for 91.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK, you win. That will be the end of it. Somehow the 91 kids are older. You win. You caught us. They are all older by a couple of months, they all happened to select 91 as their club of choice, and whenever they beat another team, we can all not dispute this, because they are all older than the kids who selected other clubs. 91 slides them down one age, and Express filters their best players from 3 teams, sending them to play the game of the day, regardless of the roster. These are the reasons for all of the wins.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/11/14 03:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
YOu sound like my wife when logic ruins her argument. I could care less about who wins or loses. But when people point to TLI or Igloo and says they have unfair advantage its IDIOTIC because 91 and Express and Outlaws and many others have kids JUST as old if not OLDER. Lets all REMEMBER who started CRYING claiming UNFAIR. In reality the kids on these teams average out to to the same age. In my town the grade below me has a kid who was left back and is wreaking havoc on the filed, but under you logic that okay because he plays his GRADE. By US lax rules he would be uneligable for that team. Thats why in baseball many kids end up playing with kids in the grade above, they have strict birth date rules as does football . To not bring thos up when complaining about Igloo is pushing aside facts that show your argument that Igloo is comprised of older kids may NOT be true. A kid born in August and held back would NOT be eligible for Igloo 2021 buy WOULD be eligible for 91.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK, you win. That will be the end of it. Somehow the 91 kids are older. You win. You caught us. They are all older by a couple of months, they all happened to select 91 as their club of choice, and whenever they beat another team, we can all not dispute this, because they are all older than the kids who selected other clubs. 91 slides them down one age, and Express filters their best players from 3 teams, sending them to play the game of the day, regardless of the roster. These are the reasons for all of the wins.

You win. You are correct. is it over yet?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/11/14 03:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
YOu sound like my wife when logic ruins her argument. I could care less about who wins or loses. But when people point to TLI or Igloo and says they have unfair advantage its IDIOTIC because 91 and Express and Outlaws and many others have kids JUST as old if not OLDER. Lets all REMEMBER who started CRYING claiming UNFAIR. In reality the kids on these teams average out to to the same age. In my town the grade below me has a kid who was left back and is wreaking havoc on the filed, but under you logic that okay because he plays his GRADE. By US lax rules he would be uneligable for that team. Thats why in baseball many kids end up playing with kids in the grade above, they have strict birth date rules as does football . To not bring thos up when complaining about Igloo is pushing aside facts that show your argument that Igloo is comprised of older kids may NOT be true. A kid born in August and held back would NOT be eligible for Igloo 2021 buy WOULD be eligible for 91.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK, you win. That will be the end of it. Somehow the 91 kids are older. You win. You caught us. They are all older by a couple of months, they all happened to select 91 as their club of choice, and whenever they beat another team, we can all not dispute this, because they are all older than the kids who selected other clubs. 91 slides them down one age, and Express filters their best players from 3 teams, sending them to play the game of the day, regardless of the roster. These are the reasons for all of the wins.

Uneligible? I think you are late for your Mensa meeting.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/11/14 06:44 PM
Id Bush and Palin can make up words so can I
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
YOu sound like my wife when logic ruins her argument. I could care less about who wins or loses. But when people point to TLI or Igloo and says they have unfair advantage its IDIOTIC because 91 and Express and Outlaws and many others have kids JUST as old if not OLDER. Lets all REMEMBER who started CRYING claiming UNFAIR. In reality the kids on these teams average out to to the same age. In my town the grade below me has a kid who was left back and is wreaking havoc on the filed, but under you logic that okay because he plays his GRADE. By US lax rules he would be uneligable for that team. Thats why in baseball many kids end up playing with kids in the grade above, they have strict birth date rules as does football . To not bring thos up when complaining about Igloo is pushing aside facts that show your argument that Igloo is comprised of older kids may NOT be true. A kid born in August and held back would NOT be eligible for Igloo 2021 buy WOULD be eligible for 91.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK, you win. That will be the end of it. Somehow the 91 kids are older. You win. You caught us. They are all older by a couple of months, they all happened to select 91 as their club of choice, and whenever they beat another team, we can all not dispute this, because they are all older than the kids who selected other clubs. 91 slides them down one age, and Express filters their best players from 3 teams, sending them to play the game of the day, regardless of the roster. These are the reasons for all of the wins.

Uneligible? I think you are late for your Mensa meeting.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 04/11/14 11:50 PM
So funny!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 05/20/14 03:35 AM
what 2021 teams are participating in Andy forsberg??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/08/14 09:06 PM
Told you Rising Sons 2021 team was the best. They beat the best Long Island team (91) and the best Maryland team (Crabs). Beach Lax Champs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/08/14 09:57 PM
Best 2021 team is from maryland is Bethsada
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/08/14 10:32 PM
Neither team or region has anything on Strong Island. You got lucky with the help of some homer refs and won a tournament. Lets see what happens at Dicks unless you are scared to go.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/08/14 11:49 PM
Crab feast will settle this debate. Bethesda will dominate
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/09/14 01:21 AM
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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/09/14 11:48 AM
Who is playing in the Jay Gallagher Memorial this weekend?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/09/14 11:49 AM
Who are the best town teams ranked on Long Island?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/09/14 11:50 PM
Smithtown has won most if not all of the tournament for this age group.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/10/14 12:23 AM
Smithtown did not win Shamrock Shootout!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/10/14 01:22 AM
Rising son lost to Team 91 Heat on Saturday and then beat 91 on Sunday. Rising son beat the Crabs on Saturday then lost to them Sunday. Team 91 beat Rising son and the Crabs on Saturday and lost to both Sunday.
Each of the 3 teams were 2-2, so who was really the best ????
that was not decided in this tournament, but the games were good.
The kids had fun, that's who won!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/10/14 02:30 AM
Which Smithtown team are you talking about? I know they have a couple.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/11/14 03:19 AM
2021 town

Smithtown blue
Franklin square
GC
Manhasset
Sachem

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/11/14 10:36 AM
Smithtown Blue
Manhassett
Franklin Square
Bay Shore
CSH
GC
SACHEM United
West I-slip
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/11/14 11:21 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Smithtown Blue
Manhassett
Franklin Square
Bay Shore
CSH
GC
SACHEM United
West I-slip

S.W.R. might be the best and you don't even have them on the list
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/11/14 11:22 AM
SWR
Smithtown Blue
Bay Shore
Rocky Point
Franklin Square
Manhassett
Bay Shore
CSH
GC
SACHEM United

West I-slip





Originally Posted by Anonymous
Smithtown Blue
Manhassett
Franklin Square
Bay Shore
CSH
GC
SACHEM United
West I-slip
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/11/14 11:32 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Smithtown Blue
Manhassett
Franklin Square
Bay Shore
CSH
GC
SACHEM United
West I-slip

S.W.R. might be the best and you don't even have them on the list


you are correct SWR is probably top team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/11/14 12:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 town

Smithtown blue
Franklin square
GC
Manhasset
Sachem



Port Washington in the mix also
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/11/14 01:01 PM
Bay Shore A team has beaten Franklin Square, Smithtown Blue and Manhasset.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/11/14 02:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The kids had fun, that's who won!!!


True that! Wish parents could remember that, rather than obsess over winning and losing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/11/14 02:37 PM
How is playing in the Jimmy McGrath Memorial besides Franklin Square at this age group?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/11/14 03:14 PM
Port Washington??? I have a lot of parent friends from Port Washington and the Port Washington top team could not beat Mineola in the two times they played this year. Port is a strong team but not as good as any of these teams being talked about.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 town

Smithtown blue
Franklin square
GC
Manhasset
Sachem



Port Washington in the mix also
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/11/14 03:36 PM
Port Washington? Should we include Roslyn in the conversation too?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/11/14 03:38 PM
At least Port is a true town team. Mineola takes kids from a wide area (i.e. other PAL towns). The Mineola "school district" is a fallacy when it comes to PAL. The powers that be have been notified but yet they continue to look the other way.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/11/14 03:50 PM
Massapequa should be in top five.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/11/14 04:42 PM
I can only speak of 2021. I don't know what happens in other grades. For 2021 Mineola is split up into 2 teams. The team that plays in the higher division has all kids that come from one very small school district that does not have a PAL. The other Mineola team has a mix. The team in the higher divion with kids from the one small town only lost one game in PAL this year. They even tied Massapequa when they played in a Tounament. If Mineola combined and had one select team they would be very strong. But the way the teams are split I would not consider them one of the best. But if you add Port Washington and Massapequa in the mix then this one "Mineola" team would have to be considered too. But like I said I don't think they are as good as the top teams that are being talked about here.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
At least Port is a true town team. Mineola takes kids from a wide area (i.e. other PAL towns). The Mineola "school district" is a fallacy when it comes to PAL. The powers that be have been notified but yet they continue to look the other way.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/11/14 05:04 PM
Massapequa 2021 is horrible...only won 1 game the entire season. Bottom five is more like it
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Massapequa should be in top five.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/11/14 05:05 PM
Both Mineola teams have kids from other towns, and continue to actively recruit. Stop justifying. If other small towns poached from other towns they could play in higher divisions also. Doesn't make it right.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/11/14 05:44 PM
The higher bracket Mineola team are kids from one town. They don't have a PAL. They play for Mineola becuase it is the closest PAL program to them. When you say otherwise you take away from this group of boys that have worked so hard over the years to form a team that can compete with the better teams despite the fact they draw from a small pool of kids.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Both Mineola teams have kids from other towns, and continue to actively recruit. Stop justifying. If other small towns poached from other towns they could play in higher divisions also. Doesn't make it right.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/11/14 06:02 PM
2021 town

Smithtown blue
Bayshore
Franklin square
GC
Manhasset
Sachem
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/11/14 06:16 PM
I'm just asking because I don't know. What about West Islip and Farmingdale. I know Farmingdale did not play PAL but that select team they have is good. How did Northport do in the select Div.?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 town

Smithtown blue
Bayshore
Franklin square
GC
Manhasset
Sachem
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/11/14 08:09 PM
If we are talking about having class, humility and grades to back it up, then yes, Roslyn is at the top of the list.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/11/14 08:45 PM
Its a good thing you have so much humility, otherwise you wouldn't be perfect
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/11/14 10:59 PM
We're not the one slinging disparaging remarks are we Mr. Moderator?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/12/14 12:07 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 town

Smithtown blue
Bayshore
Franklin square
GC
Manhasset
Sachem
[quote=Anonymous]2021 town

Bay shore up there?? I don't think so and Manhasset should be higher than GC
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/12/14 04:59 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]2021 town

Smithtown blue
Bayshore
Franklin square
GC
Manhasset
Sachem
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 town

Bay shore up there?? I don't think so and Manhasset should be higher than GC


Manhasset beat cgi multilple times and franklin square. Only loss this yr to csh
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/12/14 11:19 AM
Hey idea?

Contact all the below mentioned town coaches and have a weeknight 3 day Best of long island 2021 town tournament ?
This should settle all the trash talk of who is top ranked.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
SWR
Smithtown Blue
Bay Shore
Rocky Point
Franklin Square
Manhassett
Bay Shore
CSH
GC
SACHEM United

West I-slip





Originally Posted by Anonymous
Smithtown Blue
Manhassett
Franklin Square
Bay Shore
CSH
GC
SACHEM United
West I-slip
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/12/14 12:19 PM
Look like the Jay Gallagher Charity needs one more 2021 team any willing to step up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/12/14 08:41 PM
Someone Rank the top 2021 Nassau pal teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/12/14 10:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Someone Rank the top 2021 Nassau pal teams


Whoever is about to starting ranking FIFTH grade town teams, I might suggest you instead spend that time reading to your kid or asking him about his school day. Tool!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/12/14 11:16 PM
Really 5th grade team rankings? come on man! I have seen the same team more than once this year and the first time we beat them handedly and the second time in a tourney they beat us handedly (both towns are on your list by the way)... they are in fifth grade, a sleep over the night before could affect all these ranking drastically.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/14/14 07:34 PM
Igloo is looking really good after the 1st day of Summer Exposure in a really tough bracket. (3-0)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/14/14 07:51 PM
Nice! Go Long Island Teams!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo is looking really good after the 1st day of Summer Exposure in a really tough bracket. (3-0)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/14/14 08:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo is looking really good after the 1st day of Summer Exposure in a really tough bracket. (3-0)


Does anyone care?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/14/14 11:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo is looking really good after the 1st day of Summer Exposure in a really tough bracket. (3-0)


Does anyone care?


just the egomaniacal igloo parent that posted this
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/15/14 02:02 AM
Still can't beat the Sons, they continue to pick up better talent as they continue their quick rise to the top of the 2021 lacrosse scene.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/15/14 02:56 AM
I thought the Sons lost to Icon orange Who is an A minus Long Island team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Still can't beat the Sons, they continue to pick up better talent as they continue their quick rise to the top of the 2021 lacrosse scene.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/15/14 08:33 PM
Beat ICON and then call them A minus team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/15/14 09:28 PM
Not true. They did not ever beat ICON Orange. Get your facts right please.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/15/14 10:57 PM
I think Icon beat Sons in the Spring. It was not even a close game from what I remember.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not true. They did not ever beat ICON Orange. Get your facts right please.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/16/14 01:55 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo is looking really good after the 1st day of Summer Exposure in a really tough bracket. (3-0)


Does anyone care?


just the egomaniacal igloo parent that posted this


Igloo wound up winning the entire tournament. In my own opinion, Summer Exposure is a far better tournament than Beach Lax for organization and field quality and much better than Lax Splash in terms of competition level. Summer Exposure also drew teams from many states and Canada. This is a true test of a team! Congrats.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/16/14 09:55 AM
Sons are always throwing their name into the convo- reminds me of my needy students looking for attention. If your team is that good- let their wins stand for themselves, no need for grown men to shout we are the best. Leave that job to the kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/16/14 11:42 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons are always throwing their name into the convo- reminds me of my needy students looking for attention. If your team is that good- let their wins stand for themselves, no need for grown men to shout we are the best. Leave that job to the kids.


Sounds a little like Igloo. Coming on here to brag about their wins. Trying to still feel relevant. You don't here 91 doing that
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/16/14 11:46 AM
Didn't Sons beat 91, Crabs and your beloved Igloo already?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons are always throwing their name into the convo- reminds me of my needy students looking for attention. If your team is that good- let their wins stand for themselves, no need for grown men to shout we are the best. Leave that job to the kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/16/14 12:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn't Sons beat 91, Crabs and your beloved Igloo already?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons are always throwing their name into the convo- reminds me of my needy students looking for attention. If your team is that good- let their wins stand for themselves, no need for grown men to shout we are the best. Leave that job to the kids.


1st you beat Igloo then LOST to 91 and Icon. You may have won one tournament which is great but you act like you're running through teams which you are NOT. If you are so great then why aren't you at Laxfest? Everyone knows that's the tournament to be at talent wise yet where are the Sons?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/16/14 12:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons are always throwing their name into the convo- reminds me of my needy students looking for attention. If your team is that good- let their wins stand for themselves, no need for grown men to shout we are the best. Leave that job to the kids.


Sounds a little like Igloo. Coming on here to brag about their wins. Trying to still feel relevant. You don't here 91 doing that


b/c 91 was never relevant at this age group. if you check other threads there is plenty of 91 chest pounding.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/16/14 12:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn't Sons beat 91, Crabs and your beloved Igloo already?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons are always throwing their name into the convo- reminds me of my needy students looking for attention. If your team is that good- let their wins stand for themselves, no need for grown men to shout we are the best. Leave that job to the kids.


Question? When you beat Igloo did you go on to win the tournament? No. Actually that's the only game you won because you lost to 91 and Icon. Get your facts straight before you go bragging
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/16/14 12:57 PM
Has 91 and ICon played each other? How about ICON and either Express team at 2021?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/16/14 01:36 PM

We beat Express Wolverines but lost to Barracudas during the winter . But thats a different game in itself. We lost to Orange also

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has 91 and ICon played each other? How about ICON and either Express team at 2021?
Posted By: GPSays Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/16/14 02:06 PM
Nothing wrong with a shout-out to Igloo 2021 winning the Summer Exposure championship. They beat the Bethesda Blue U11AA team twice that went 9-0 in NPYLL. Clear LI over Md. win at this young level, with age rules in place so we can hopefully skip the "they have 14-year olds held back to 2021" discussion.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/16/14 03:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has 91 and ICon played each other? How about ICON and either Express team at 2021?


Icon had not played Express in a tournament yet however lost to 91 orange in shamrock championship
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/16/14 09:23 PM
Crabfeast young guns is coming up. Igloo will play the Sons again. This will show who is the top 2021 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/17/14 12:05 AM
I hope Icon,91 and Team long Island are there too. Otherwise we will not know who the top 2021 team is.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabfeast young guns is coming up. Igloo will play the Sons again. This will show who is the top 2021 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/17/14 12:26 AM
Should be interesting...rising sons, igloo, sweet lax, orange crush, bethesda, crabs, team Long Island. Great line up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/17/14 03:10 AM
Has Team Long Island won anything?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/17/14 10:52 AM
Yes they have won their first 2 tournaments. One in MD and one on Long Island. Won Championship for both. They are a good team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has Team Long Island won anything?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/17/14 11:42 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Should be interesting...rising sons, igloo, sweet lax, orange crush, bethesda, crabs, team Long Island. Great line up.


Yeah regardless of who wins it is going to be nice to go to tournament and not outscore your opponents 70-5
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/17/14 11:42 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes they have won their first 2 tournaments. One in MD and one on Long Island. Won Championship for both. They are a good team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has Team Long Island won anything?


Exactly which tournaments did they win this year at any age group?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/17/14 12:47 PM
TEAM LONG ISLAND played against town teams for what it worth.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes they have won their first 2 tournaments. One in MD and one on Long Island. Won Championship for both. They are a good team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has Team Long Island won anything?


Exactly which tournaments did they win this year at any age group?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/17/14 01:07 PM
Still waiting to here which tournaments they won?? Oh yea, none!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/17/14 01:16 PM
I believe MD tourney was LAXSPLASH and LI tourney was fl$ ...I only know for 2021
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TEAM LONG ISLAND played against town teams for what it worth.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes they have won their first 2 tournaments. One in MD and one on Long Island. Won Championship for both. They are a good team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has Team Long Island won anything?


Exactly which tournaments did they win this year at any age group?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/17/14 01:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TEAM LONG ISLAND played against town teams for what it worth.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes they have won their first 2 tournaments. One in MD and one on Long Island. Won Championship for both. They are a good team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has Team Long Island won anything?


Exactly which tournaments did they win this year at any age group?


Seems like a trend, TLI parents continually say they are a top team, yet they avoid all top LI competition and even when they play out of state its not the major tournaments. Not a knock on them, they could be very good but why dont they come play some real competition. It seems any team can find a tournament that has weak competition and go win it for bragging rights.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/17/14 01:23 PM
The next 14 days will tell the story. ALOT of these kids are good. Period!!

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/17/14 01:33 PM
Is TLI playing in Laxfest this weekend?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/17/14 02:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is TLI playing in Laxfest this weekend?


Nope, ducking that one too!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/17/14 03:06 PM
TLI has been scrambling for players at this age group , One parent has been trying to solicit players from other programs so his son would have more flow on the field due to deficiencies which cause him to carry the whole team.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TEAM LONG ISLAND played against town teams for what it worth.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes they have won their first 2 tournaments. One in MD and one on Long Island. Won Championship for both. They are a good team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has Team Long Island won anything?


Exactly which tournaments did they win this year at any age group?


Seems like a trend, TLI parents continually say they are a top team, yet they avoid all top LI competition and even when they play out of state its not the major tournaments. Not a knock on them, they could be very good but why dont they come play some real competition. It seems any team can find a tournament that has weak competition and go win it for bragging rights.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/17/14 03:23 PM
What were the 91 White/Outlaw results this past weekend with the Battle of Monmouth?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/17/14 05:29 PM
Outlaws 7-1, 20 minute final.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/18/14 05:54 PM
Ducking??? Wait until MD
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/18/14 11:31 PM
Which Outaws team beat 91 White in the 2021 final? Black or Silver ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/19/14 02:11 AM
BLACK
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/19/14 03:21 AM
They have two teams u11. Maybe the b team is having that issue but the a team is solid , they beat 91s 2021 a team last year
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TLI has been scrambling for players at this age group , One parent has been trying to solicit players from other programs so his son would have more flow on the field due to deficiencies which cause him to carry the whole team.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TEAM LONG ISLAND played against town teams for what it worth.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes they have won their first 2 tournaments. One in MD and one on Long Island. Won Championship for both. They are a good team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has Team Long Island won anything?


Exactly which tournaments did they win this year at any age group?


Seems like a trend, TLI parents continually say they are a top team, yet they avoid all top LI competition and even when they play out of state its not the major tournaments. Not a knock on them, they could be very good but why dont they come play some real competition. It seems any team can find a tournament that has weak competition and go win it for bragging rights.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/19/14 11:54 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BLACK


Playing B teams and town teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/22/14 12:03 PM
Hey, we all know where the true A teams played this weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/22/14 01:39 PM
Way to go fl$ !!

Keep making your team stronger in b bracket
, bet the parents are so proud !



quote=Anonymous]Hey, we all know where the true A teams played this weekend. [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/23/14 11:43 AM
Very nice job by fl$ and Three Village playing in the "B" bracket and beating up on bad developmental teams and towns. To add insult to injury fl$ parents on the sidelines bragging about adding goals to win the coveted bracket. You should be proud. Classless.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/23/14 12:20 PM
anyone know where we can order ribbed smedium "91" t ishirts or those special "91" tank tops we were fortunate to see all weekend long?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/23/14 01:11 PM
Next week at Crabfest we will see who the real #1 is
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/23/14 04:04 PM
You mean we will see who the real #2 is. 91 isn't going
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/23/14 04:35 PM
You know a 91 parent didn't write that. Someone just wanting to start trouble.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/24/14 12:34 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very nice job by fl$ and Three Village playing in the "B" bracket and beating up on bad developmental teams and towns. To add insult to injury fl$ parents on the sidelines bragging about adding goals to win the coveted bracket. You should be proud. Classless.


fl$ is a B team. They played in their appropriate bracket. Saw them at their own tournament two weeks ago and they had some work to do. Not their fault if town teams choose to play in summer tournaments then get banged up by travel teams. There are plenty of town tournaments out there in the spring and summer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/24/14 02:30 AM
Outlaws A team always playing in the B bracket and the less competitive tourneys. Then theynhave to play their B team to get to the finals. And then bragging about their so called Championship and Tshirts. If you have 2 teams in a tourney, they should not be in the same B bracket. Play with he big boys Outlaw$.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/24/14 11:33 AM
I think Laxfest and other big tournaments for 2021 should have A,B and C divisions. There are more C teams then there are A and B combined in 2021. This would create more competitive games. I know it was not fun for any team that was involved in games where there was a large margin of victory. Having B teams play up in the A division is not the answer to help the developmental teams because it hurts the B teams who are in the correct division.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/30/14 02:38 AM
Igloo wins young guns.
Posted By: tcorc33 Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/30/14 02:46 AM
Best reply I've seen on the forum ever. Great job with the "tool" call.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/30/14 11:01 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws A team always playing in the B bracket and the less competitive tourneys. Then theynhave to play their B team to get to the finals. And then bragging about their so called Championship and Tshirts. If you have 2 teams in a tourney, they should not be in the same B bracket. Play with he big boys Outlaw$.


What tournament did the Black team not Play in A??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/30/14 11:31 AM
What top teams were there? How did the other Long Island teams do? Great to see Long Island teams keep winning!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo wins young guns.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/30/14 12:53 PM
Has anyone seen the ADVNC San Francisco 2021 team play? We drew them for Denver and was wondering if anyone had any intel.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/30/14 01:17 PM
Team Igloo beat Bethesda LC in Finals
Team Long Island in Semis
Rising Sons in Quarters

Bethesda beat Crabs in Semis
SweetLax in Quarters
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/30/14 03:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 town

Smithtown blue
Franklin square
GC
Manhasset
Sachem



How can you not list Bay Shore ? 3 championships this summer and 1 loss in the finals. They have beaten Smithtown and Franklin Square.

Port Washington in the mix also
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/30/14 03:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo wins young guns.


Where are all the Sons and Team LI parents now?! Thank you Igloo for shutting these people up
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/30/14 03:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 town

Smithtown blue
Franklin square
GC
Manhasset
Sachem



How can you not list Bay Shore ? 3 championships this summer and 1 loss in the finals. They have beaten Smithtown and Franklin Square.

Port Washington in the mix also



And Franklin Square has beaten Bayshore and Smithtown beat Franklin Square and the green grass grew all around and around...

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/30/14 05:11 PM
You are an angwy widdle man, aren't you?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo wins young guns.


Where are all the Sons and Team LI parents now?! Thank you Igloo for shutting these people up
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/30/14 05:17 PM
I was at the tourney and watched a not so sharp igloo get handled by the Crabs losing in OT. I am still trying to figure out what the hype is about these guys. The Crabs by far were the best team out there.

They looked like any other "A" 2021 team for the most part. Dropped passes, not so crisp shots, nothing that stands out being so great but nothing so bad either, just ok.

So what am I missing here? Wait, before I get bashed by all the igloo parents, relatives and friends of igloo, I am just stating my opinion. Yes, I know they have and currently win often and have many tourney wins under their belts, I am just saying, what i saw this weekend does not make me say they are another 91 Crush and thats for sure.

So if there are any teams that have played them and say they were off their game this weekend and they truly are as good as the hype is, please respond back.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/30/14 05:25 PM
We are all quiet because of that one crazy dad that kept yelling. "Get the same ball to the midfield" and a handful of our middles were playing for the Philly Allstars at Philly showdown. They are going to Denver and we're required to go to that tournament. Hang tight you won't have a chance going forward
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo wins young guns.


Where are all the Sons and Team LI parents now?! Thank you Igloo for shutting these people up
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/30/14 05:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has anyone seen the ADVNC San Francisco 2021 team play? We drew them for Denver and was wondering if anyone had any intel.




Any intel ??? These are 11 yr old boys , not al Qaeda. Get a life.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/30/14 05:42 PM
Do you have scores?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team Igloo beat Bethesda LC in Finals
Team Long Island in Semis
Rising Sons in Quarters

Bethesda beat Crabs in Semis
SweetLax in Quarters
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/30/14 05:57 PM
At the same game too. Not sure what you mean by "get handled." Kids are allowed to have an off game - they still won the whole thing. Igloo won Summer Exposure (Annapolis); LaxFest (LI); and Young Gunz.

To the stupid comment about Team Long Island - I saw a handful of Team LI kids and the coach go wish Igloo go luck before the championship game.

So, get a life and try to keep it light. Its not about you - it's about the kids having fun; making friends, and learning sportmanship.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/30/14 05:59 PM
Last week it wss wait till the young gun tournament.
After Denver it will be the boy couldn't handle the altitude. Just admit Igloo is better.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We are all quiet because of that one crazy dad that kept yelling. "Get the same ball to the midfield" and a handful of our middles were playing for the Philly Allstars at Philly showdown. They are going to Denver and we're required to go to that tournament. Hang tight you won't have a chance going forward
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo wins young guns.


Where are all the Sons and Team LI parents now?! Thank you Igloo for shutting these people up


Last week it was wait until the crabs tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/30/14 06:41 PM
"Handled?"

Didn't it go to overtime?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/30/14 07:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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2021 town

Smithtown blue
Franklin square
GC
Manhasset
Sachem



How can you not list Bay Shore ? 3 championships this summer and 1 loss in the finals. They have beaten Smithtown and Franklin Square.

Port Washington in the mix also



And Franklin Square has beaten Bayshore and Smithtown beat Franklin Square and the green grass grew all around and around...



Just give credit where it is do! Franklin Square, Smithtown and Bay Shore are top 2021 teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/30/14 07:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 town

Smithtown blue
Franklin square
GC
Manhasset
Sachem



cold spring harbor beat Franklin square

How can you not list Bay Shore ? 3 championships this summer and 1 loss in the finals. They have beaten Smithtown and Franklin Square.

Port Washington in the mix also



And Franklin Square has beaten Bayshore and Smithtown beat Franklin Square and the green grass grew all around and around...



Just give credit where it is do! Franklin Square, Smithtown and Bay Shore are top 2021 teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/30/14 07:50 PM
cold Spring Harbor beat Franklin Square
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/30/14 09:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
cold Spring Harbor beat Franklin Square


Yes in PAL and FS beat CSH in tournament play what's your point?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 06/30/14 10:02 PM
There is a lot of talent in this age group. I believe any one of these teams can beat each other on any given day. So relax with your rankings their 11. They have good days and bad days. We should be happy we have such a well developed age group that allows them to be competitive
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/01/14 12:09 AM
Garden City we also beat Franklin Square
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/01/14 12:12 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is a lot of talent in this age group. I believe any one of these teams can beat each other on any given day. So relax with your rankings their 11. They have good days and bad days. We should be happy we have such a well developed age group that allows them to be competitive


Well said, the competition will benefit the kids in the long run.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/01/14 01:04 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Garden City we also beat Franklin Square


I think it's comical how many towns have to come on here and say you beat us. Let's cut to the chase. FS lost to CSH, Manhasset and SHoreham in PAL this season. FS also beat CSH in tournament play GC in Elwood championship and in PAL but lost to them in JDRF. Beat bay shore in play pool this weekend but lost to them in the championship. Does that sum it up for all of you? Lots of talent in 2021 and anyone's game in any given day.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/01/14 01:22 AM
Seems you must have missed the Crabs get throttled by Bethesda LC in semis - was 8-1 before Crabs scored 3 goals man up in 4th qtr. Last time they played Bethesda beat them 12-5 in May. Hardly best team at tourney. Oh…and Bethesda is a U11 Team - Crabs have (7) U13 kids - not against the rules for Tourny - all good - just facts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/01/14 01:33 AM
Igloo has now beaten the Top U11 Team in Maryland/VA/DC (3) times (Bethesda LC) in past two weeks. Games were hard fought - and Igloo deserved the wins - very good squad. Bethesda LC was undefeated in NPYLL and has beaten Crabs badly twice and all of the other HOCO Teams this past year as well. Igloo deserves credit. Team LI lost to Bethesda and Igloo at Young Guns and Bethesda beat up Crabs. Was a worthwhile Tourny - its how the boys will all get better - play good teams - win or lose. Strong Island has bragging rights at this age group - for now.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/01/14 02:11 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 town

Smithtown blue
Franklin square
GC
Manhasset
Sachem



cold spring harbor beat Franklin square

How can you not list Bay Shore ? 3 championships this summer and 1 loss in the finals. They have beaten Smithtown and Franklin Square.

Port Washington in the mix also



And Franklin Square has beaten Bayshore and Smithtown beat Franklin Square and the green grass grew all around and around...



Just give credit where it is do! Franklin Square, Smithtown and Bay Shore are top 2021 teams.


Town talk in the summer. Town lax is subpar.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/01/14 09:38 AM
Thanks Chris Berman
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/01/14 11:55 AM
...and how did Gorilla go for the town teams, Outlaws and HDD? Not a premiere event, but how did they represent?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/02/14 01:52 PM
Any information on Summer lacrosse leagues? How many different ones are there? Does the abundance of Summer tournaments make them unnecessary? Looked at the schedule for Long Island Lacrosse League, and they only had a handful of teams in each age group.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/02/14 02:21 PM
Do you really think your 11 year old son want to play in a summer league when it's 90 degrees. IF you just finished summer tournament grind , why the [lacrosse] would you subject him to a low level competition. I forgot , he wants to play. Yea right ask him honestly. Let the kids enjoy what's left of the summer. Just my opinion.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/02/14 05:23 PM
Summer leagues are great for kids who want to play with friends who may be at different levels and play on different travel teams.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do you really think your 11 year old son want to play in a summer league when it's 90 degrees. IF you just finished summer tournament grind , why the [lacrosse] would you subject him to a low level competition. I forgot , he wants to play. Yea right ask him honestly. Let the kids enjoy what's left of the summer. Just my opinion.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/02/14 07:47 PM
Summer Leagues are more like pick up games with friends than the Travel season. At least it is with our Summer/Town team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/08/14 07:27 PM
Let the tryout schedule jockeying begin. Igloo-September 13th, 14th, 21st (22nd is Rain Out Date)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/08/14 08:13 PM
What is the cost this year? I'm sure it won't be $2300 given they are having many teams at different grades.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let the tryout schedule jockeying begin. Igloo-September 13th, 14th, 21st (22nd is Rain Out Date)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/09/14 01:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the cost this year? I'm sure it won't be $2300 given they are having many teams at different grades.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let the tryout schedule jockeying begin. Igloo-September 13th, 14th, 21st (22nd is Rain Out Date)


$3500 all in according to their tryout packet on their site. that's a lot of coin.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/09/14 02:18 PM
What is all in? How do you compare it? Do they giv eyou alst of what they are doing? Then if something comes up you don't have to pay for it? Or if something is cancaled you don't get a refund?

Curious how this will work. great model but you still need to know what you are paying for. they have a great product so I guess something is working

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the cost this year? I'm sure it won't be $2300 given they are having many teams at different grades.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let the tryout schedule jockeying begin. Igloo-September 13th, 14th, 21st (22nd is Rain Out Date)


$3500 all in according to their tryout packet on their site. that's a lot of coin.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/09/14 02:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is all in? How do you compare it? Do they giv eyou alst of what they are doing? Then if something comes up you don't have to pay for it? Or if something is cancaled you don't get a refund?

Curious how this will work. great model but you still need to know what you are paying for. they have a great product so I guess something is working

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the cost this year? I'm sure it won't be $2300 given they are having many teams at different grades.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let the tryout schedule jockeying begin. Igloo-September 13th, 14th, 21st (22nd is Rain Out Date)


$3500 all in according to their tryout packet on their site. that's a lot of coin.


Consumers choice. They are transparent in laying out exactly what you get for the money you spend. Honest and upfront
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/09/14 03:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the cost this year? I'm sure it won't be $2300 given they are having many teams at different grades.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let the tryout schedule jockeying begin. Igloo-September 13th, 14th, 21st (22nd is Rain Out Date)


$3500 all in according to their tryout packet on their site. that's a lot of coin.



I would spend that $$ on a math or English tutor. Better shot at getting an academic scholarship than a lax scholarship. Just the facts...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/09/14 05:30 PM
What about Express tryouts? anything on when they are hosting? 91 has already posted as well , would be nice for these clubs to Honestly put out on what they are looking for (A,M,D) , as igloo does not take many kids because there first team is stacked , they are forming a second team as that tells you its all about riding on the bandwagon making Coin! I am sure they will pick a good roster , but it will not be the same as their original talent pool. Both Express teams this year have done very well in their tournaments , what are the openings if any ? and 91 although still the same SWR core group they have a turn style of talent year in year out , are they going to compete next year with more talent surfacing into other clubs ?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let the tryout schedule jockeying begin. Igloo-September 13th, 14th, 21st (22nd is Rain Out Date)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/09/14 06:50 PM
Over the last few years Igloo gave many more practices then any other team for $2300. That was a great deal. Many hoped they would set the trend and keep prices down. Now Igloo charges $3500 plus tryout and travel cost. They offer one practice a week with a minimum of 25 total practices per the email they sent out. They are giving about 5-10 more practices compared to most other clubs but charging $1500 to $2000 more then the rest. I hope this does not set a new trend that other teams follow of giving a few more practices and charging thousands more. I think Igloo is the most expensive club now. Sad what club lacrosse has become.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/09/14 07:26 PM
Will Smithtown's philosophy have an impact on what the 2021 impact will be on travel. Heard it wasn't very pleasant for the 2020 and 2019 age group.

Heard rumblings that towns want to keep the boys in house in many other towns as well. Big conversation on another thread.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/09/14 07:47 PM
$3500, That is insane! No joke, get them a math or science tutor and stick with your town team. That is a mortgage payment to some. I love my kids but there is no way I would shell out $3500 bucks for a game. FOOLS!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/09/14 09:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
$3500, That is insane! No joke, get them a math or science tutor and stick with your town team. That is a mortgage payment to some. I love my kids but there is no way I would shell out $3500 bucks for a game. FOOLS!


Whats insane is that Igloo, 91, Express all have a few great teams, in the case of Igloo just one. And based on that people are willing to shell out this kind of dough when in fact there is virtually no room, maybe 1-2 slots on the great teams, so you are automatically paying the huge price associated with a grea team and end up on a B team or with Igloo you will be on a new team or an average team like their current 2022. I understand paying a premium if you make Smash, Crush, Igloo 2021 but paying that kind of money to be on an unproven team? that's nuts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/09/14 09:45 PM
This does not include tryouts and travel cost. I don't care how rich someone is. Most people on Long Island CAN afford this but at some point parents have to stop paying these prices. Before today I respected this program and everyone connected to it. I thought Igloo was above any "profit margin to consider"!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
$3500, That is insane! No joke, get them a math or science tutor and stick with your town team. That is a mortgage payment to some. I love my kids but there is no way I would shell out $3500 bucks for a game. FOOLS!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/09/14 11:37 PM
The folks that pay the money are the folks that know what a good coach is and know that their kids can and will compete at the highest level of lacrosse.

You blow $3500 so you can sit down and watch a 3D TV when in truth you should have been outside having a catch with your kid.

Don't be haters....All these teams are good and lets give that coach a chance to detail out why its $3500 and then you can start talking like you people know better.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/10/14 12:18 AM
Here is a video that everyone should watch before they give hard earned money away.Most of you have seen this video but watch and laugh. This is just for fun and no intent to singe out any team. Just keep this video in mind when you choose a program. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZwJjGN7j30

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/10/14 12:48 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is a video that everyone should watch before they give hard earned money away.Most of you have seen this video but watch and laugh. This is just for fun and no intent to singe out any team. Just keep this video in mind when you choose a program. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZwJjGN7j30



That was very funny!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/10/14 01:16 AM
" All these teams are good". What makes you think that? What was the Rising Third (2024), rising fourth (2023). eighth and rising 6th grade (2021) B team record this year? Having asked that--- I can't think of anything a coach can tell me that could justify someone paying $3500 for any third/fourth grade team, an average 5th grade (2022) team or a B sixth grade (2021)team. The fees are listed with detail in the email and yes a little more is given compared to SOME other clubs but not 2k more. What do you think a parent should do if they have two or three kids??? Also you don't buy a TV every year. No haters here. Just a few things that are being pointed out.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The folks that pay the money are the folks that know what a good coach is and know that their kids can and will compete at the highest level of lacrosse.

You blow $3500 so you can sit down and watch a 3D TV when in truth you should have been outside having a catch with your kid.

Don't be haters....All these teams are good and lets give that coach a chance to detail out why its $3500 and then you can start talking like you people know better.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/10/14 02:31 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The folks that pay the money are the folks that know what a good coach is and know that their kids can and will compete at the highest level of lacrosse.

You blow $3500 so you can sit down and watch a 3D TV when in truth you should have been outside having a catch with your kid.

Don't be haters....All these teams are good and lets give that coach a chance to detail out why its $3500 and then you can start talking like you people know better.



Plenty of great ESTABLISHED lacrosse coaches with programs out there at the fraction of the cost. You must be an igloo-ade drinker.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/10/14 12:51 PM
"All these teams are good". What makes you think that? What was the Rising Third (2024), rising fourth (2023). eighth and rising 6th grade (2021) B team record this year? Having asked that--- I can't think of anything a coach can tell me that could justify someone paying $3500 for any third/fourth grade team, an average 5th grade (2022) team or a B sixth grade (2021)team. The fees are listed with detail in the email and yes a little more is given compared to SOME other clubs but not 2k more. What do you think a parent should do if they have two or three kids??? Also you don't buy a TV every year. No haters here. Just a few things that are being pointed out.

Well stated...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/10/14 09:04 PM
This is crazy. If you start your kid with Igloo and keep him on from 4th grade through high school, its over $30,000. That's without travel and from what I see they have 5 away tournaments. I thought I was nuts paying $1200. Good luck hope your paying the college tuition now instead of later.

FYI
Bestbuy 60" LED 3D T.V. Sony $2200
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/10/14 09:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is a video that everyone should watch before they give hard earned money away.Most of you have seen this video but watch and laugh. This is just for fun and no intent to singe out any team. Just keep this video in mind when you choose a program. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZwJjGN7j30



That was very funny!!!


I think that was the Igloo director talking in that video!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/11/14 12:21 AM
$3500 and you have to pay for the Igkool-Aid
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/11/14 12:31 AM
Tuition 6 teams * 23 players * $3500 = $483,000
Tryout 6 teams * 23 players * $100 = $13,800 (if minimum show) # could double
Apparel 6 teams * 23 players * $100 per family = $13,800 got to have your hats & shirts

IT'S ALL FOR THE KIDS!!!

I'm in the wrong business. All I had to do was play lacrosse when I was a kid. Oh wait I didn't even have to do that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/11/14 02:20 AM
Will the public speak loud by not paying $3600 (including tryouta) a year to play lax??? If someone plays third to 10th grade and assume no price increase over the 8 years that is $28800 plus travel tounaments each year that adds to the cost. At some point the market has to say "no" to these prices. If people pay this fee the owner will have money from this year alone to send a kid to college for free. This is too funny. I bet people will pay this.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tuition 6 teams * 23 players * $3500 = $483,000
Tryout 6 teams * 23 players * $100 = $13,800 (if minimum show) # could double
Apparel 6 teams * 23 players * $100 per family = $13,800 got to have your hats & shirts

IT'S ALL FOR THE KIDS!!!

I'm in the wrong business. All I had to do was play lacrosse when I was a kid. Oh wait I didn't even have to do that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/11/14 02:33 AM
WIth all the great lax players on the Island I am shocked more guys have not jumped into the fray and lowered prices. I have toyed with the idea of a parents collaborative. A coach with proper experience would be hired. His cost would be listed , ex dollars per hour, ex dollars per tourney, the cost of insurance and tournaments as well as field rental etc. You run the try out and that coach makes all player personnel decisions. If you want to do an indoor league or extra practices you could choose not to hire the coach for those events. Some soccer teams do this, the majority of practices and all games and tourneys run by a hired trainer. I think you could get what all the big programs are offering for under 800 bucks and thats with a roster of 18. I know highly qualified coaches and what they charge. Your basically cutting out ownership and the money that flows to them. Was wondering what others thought of such an arrangement?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/11/14 03:18 PM
The public will continue to pay and say thank you sir may i have another.
The Igloo geographic/demographic does not think $3,500 is substantial. In fact they would and soon will pay more. If they throw in another tournament with another jersey or more apparel you don't need they can get 5k. More expensive then the 3d Tv but cheaper than the nanny. But the Champion t-shirts are still free.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/11/14 10:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will the public speak loud by not paying $3600 (including tryouta) a year to play lax??? If someone plays third to 10th grade and assume no price increase over the 8 years that is $28800 plus travel tounaments each year that adds to the cost. At some point the market has to say "no" to these prices. If people pay this fee the owner will have money from this year alone to send a kid to college for free. This is too funny. I bet people will pay this.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tuition 6 teams * 23 players * $3500 = $483,000
Tryout 6 teams * 23 players * $100 = $13,800 (if minimum show) # could double
Apparel 6 teams * 23 players * $100 per family = $13,800 got to have your hats & shirts

IT'S ALL FOR THE KIDS!!!

I'm in the wrong business. All I had to do was play lacrosse when I was a kid. Oh wait I didn't even have to do that.


Parents need to take a stand instead of blindly writing checks. This will only be the beginning and other teams will follow suit unless we turn our backs on them and slaughter the pig now
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/12/14 02:22 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will the public speak loud by not paying $3600 (including tryouta) a year to play lax??? If someone plays third to 10th grade and assume no price increase over the 8 years that is $28800 plus travel tounaments each year that adds to the cost. At some point the market has to say "no" to these prices. If people pay this fee the owner will have money from this year alone to send a kid to college for free. This is too funny. I bet people will pay this.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tuition 6 teams * 23 players * $3500 = $483,000
Tryout 6 teams * 23 players * $100 = $13,800 (if minimum show) # could double
Apparel 6 teams * 23 players * $100 per family = $13,800 got to have your hats & shirts

IT'S ALL FOR THE KIDS!!!

I'm in the wrong business. All I had to do was play lacrosse when I was a kid. Oh wait I didn't even have to do that.


Parents need to take a stand instead of blindly writing checks. This will only be the beginning and other teams will follow suit unless we turn our backs on them and slaughter the pig now


Look if your kid can make the one superstar team, then maybe it's worth the dough if not, then its crazy....think about how much playing time, personal training, clinics, specialty training te you can get for that money.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/12/14 11:17 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will the public speak loud by not paying $3600 (including tryouta) a year to play lax??? If someone plays third to 10th grade and assume no price increase over the 8 years that is $28800 plus travel tounaments each year that adds to the cost. At some point the market has to say "no" to these prices. If people pay this fee the owner will have money from this year alone to send a kid to college for free. This is too funny. I bet people will pay this.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tuition 6 teams * 23 players * $3500 = $483,000
Tryout 6 teams * 23 players * $100 = $13,800 (if minimum show) # could double
Apparel 6 teams * 23 players * $100 per family = $13,800 got to have your hats & shirts

IT'S ALL FOR THE KIDS!!!

I'm in the wrong business. All I had to do was play lacrosse when I was a kid. Oh wait I didn't even have to do that.


Parents need to take a stand instead of blindly writing checks. This will only be the beginning and other teams will follow suit unless we turn our backs on them and slaughter the pig now


Look if your kid can make the one superstar team, then maybe it's worth the dough if not, then its crazy....think about how much playing time, personal training, clinics, specialty training te you can get for that money.


If that's the all in number. It's not off base. You would spend that money ala carte anyway. And it it is high quality instruction and coaching it is worth it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/12/14 11:36 AM
Clearly everyone on these last posts haven't read the tryout packet. This club flat out gives each customer the most by far. Go back and review you credit card statements. As my express bill was $4,200 when I added it all up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/12/14 01:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clearly everyone on these last posts haven't read the tryout packet. This club flat out gives each customer the most by far. Go back and review you credit card statements. As my express bill was $4,200 when I added it all up.


Don't be fooled, igloo has "extras" also when you tack on travel etc. plus $3,500 you will be looking at a $5-6,000 lax experience.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/12/14 03:45 PM
Is Kromwell coaching with igloo now?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/12/14 04:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clearly everyone on these last posts haven't read the tryout packet. This club flat out gives each customer the most by far. Go back and review you credit card statements. As my express bill was $4,200 when I added it all up.


You're not serious. They had 5 away tournaments they don't pay your hotel, flight, food. Every team has extras but most teams they are options that your are not required to pay. My son played for a quality team this year. Everything additional was up to the parents it was not a requirement and your son wasn't penalized if you chose not to pay. Paid 1500 before travel. My son was happy and so was my pocket
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/12/14 04:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clearly everyone on these last posts haven't read the tryout packet. This club flat out gives each customer the most by far. Go back and review you credit card statements. As my express bill was $4,200 when I added it all up.


What did they add on from last year to warrant a 1200 increase? Anyone know?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/13/14 04:16 PM
Speaking of tryouts, what's the realistic amount of turnover with any of these teams? 2 or 3 spots (disgruntled parents, kids moving, etc.) or are all bets off and if "you're looking, we're looking"?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/13/14 05:40 PM
The "tryout" reality is that existing teams have maybe 3-4 spots "available " and they are most likely already filled. Coaches scout around, talk to the parents and coax them into have the boys come to the tryout and the deal is done.
This is just the way it is and parents have to be realistic on what the chances are of their son making the team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/13/14 07:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The "tryout" reality is that existing teams have maybe 3-4 spots "available " and they are most likely already filled. Coaches scout around, talk to the parents and coax them into have the boys come to the tryout and the deal is done.
This is just the way it is and parents have to be realistic on what the chances are of their son making the team.


I definitely think most of the A teams scout out kids- some kids end up playing for two teams in some instances. However, there is always a chance your kid will wow the coaches, especially if they are just starting out and have not been at a lot of tourneys and are relatively unknown. Now is the time to break into the the better teams, as the kids get older, I think it is a bit more difficult, unless kids decide to leave for various reasons.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/13/14 08:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clearly everyone on these last posts haven't read the tryout packet. This club flat out gives each customer the most by far. Go back and review you credit card statements. As my express bill was $4,200 when I added it all up.


The most? You are delusional! MONEY GRAB FOR LEMMINGS
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/13/14 08:36 PM
If your son was not approached by a coach during the season chances are he won't make the team unless your are trying out for a team with a turn over. Igloo, 91, express, icon were very successful and will more than likely run with the established rosters
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/13/14 09:41 PM
If Channey take over next year you will see a big turnover, Daddy coaches will be out and their little short kids with them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/14/14 12:39 PM
Cromwell should tell them to shove it..guy that hires him cant even spell his last name correctly on his own team website...he spells it Kromwell...well if you are not on the 2021 team you should go somewhere else...coaching is horrible at 2022 good luck KC7
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/14/14 07:34 PM
With tryout season around the corner it appears Long Island has 6 true "A" teams and others that play "A" but should play "B" and others that Play "B" that could but should not play "A". Talking about only the true "A" teams for information purposes for those that want to try out for one of the true "A" teams how should they be ranked? Don't just list teams. Give reasons backed by scores to justify what you are claiming. For example With 91 beating team long Island Yesterday 5-4 those two teams are a toss up. But since 91 won the game they have to be placed ahead of team TLI. Igloo beat both these teams so I think that Igloo is the best Long Island team this year. The debate is for second, third and fourth. Wolves played Igloo close and the Cudas lost by 1 to 91. All the teams are so close I think they are about the same. But if I had to rank them I would say:

1- Igloo

2- 91

3-TLI

4- Wolves

5- Cudas

6- Icon
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/14/14 07:57 PM
Well said and accurate! You can take boys off each team and put them on other teams and you would probably get the same results. There is a lot of talent on those teams and those boys should be applauded!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/14/14 08:29 PM
Igloo arguably the best in the nation at 2021.

Igloo Summer Tournament Schedule according to the their website.

Winners at:
Summer Exposure (Annapolis)
LI Laxfest (Farmingdale)
Crabfest Invitational (Baltimore)
FIL World Lacrosse Festival (Denver)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/14/14 09:42 PM
Igloo earned to be called best on Long Island and that alone says a lot. However I don't know if you can say best in the country because many teams don't travel across the country to play other teams at such a young age. There could be some great teams we never heard of because many think it is very expensive and not worth the cost to travel long distance to play 5th grade lax. In fact very few teams have the money to travel like Igloo does. Some have the money but are not willing to put the time to travel because it is not worth the effort. Without more info on all the teams in the country we can't expand Igloo's best on Long Island title to the best in the country.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo arguably the best in the nation at 2021.

Igloo Summer Tournament Schedule according to the their website.

Winners at:
Summer Exposure (Annapolis)
LI Laxfest (Farmingdale)
Crabfest Invitational (Baltimore)
FIL World Lacrosse Festival (Denver)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/14/14 10:08 PM
Doesn't Igloo have 2020 players on the team. I guess it's easy to be called the best 2021 team with 6th graders
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/14/14 10:14 PM
I believe that is why the poster said arguably the best. That being said I would think the best teams on the east coast participated in Laxfast, Summer Exposure, and Crabfest as there were teams from NY, NJ, PA, FL, MD, NH, Canada...

The west coast represented well in Denver with the West Coast Starz and ADVNC.

Not sure what tournaments these other "great teams" play in. Not looking to expand on any "titles" here.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/14/14 10:36 PM
You all need to get a life! They're 5th graders and it's obvious the parents care more than their kids. It's all down hill from here for the igloo boys.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/15/14 02:45 AM
Wolves easily handled 91 last time they played, maybe 2 weeks ago,. I think they won by 4 or 5 goals. They lost by 2 in a very close game to igloo. Probably deserve to be called # 2 team behind Igloo on the island.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/15/14 10:27 AM
Wolves' dad start winning some tournaments first.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/15/14 11:15 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wolves easily handled 91 last time they played, maybe 2 weeks ago,. I think they won by 4 or 5 goals. They lost by 2 in a very close game to igloo. Probably deserve to be called # 2 team behind Igloo on the island.


What torun aments have the Wolves won? 91 won shamrock shoutout and nxt
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/15/14 11:20 AM
TLI didn't earn a rank, they opted out of shamrock shoot out and largest where all of the other teams were. You don't rate with top if you always are ducking them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/15/14 12:00 PM
TLI is easily near the top of the 2021 rankings. Just ask the other top rated teams. This post must be from a parent who feels they are better because they didn't play them....Careful what you wish for. a lot of talent, determination and skill on that team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/15/14 12:03 PM
TLI should not even be mentioned in the ranking , what tournaments have they won this summer so far? just curious why they are not registered to compete in the Stony Brook Lax Clash this year , after all they won the 2021 bracket last year . What Long Island teams have they played ?



Originally Posted by Anonymous
TLI didn't earn a rank, they opted out of shamrock shoot out and largest where all of the other teams were. You don't rate with top if you always are ducking them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/15/14 12:54 PM
Wolves won the Legacy Invitational (beat laxachusetts black 2x at their tournament) and previously only lost to Igloo in finals of Lax Fest and in semis to WCS at Lax Clash.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/15/14 01:16 PM
Chances are all the other teams have kid the same age but they where held back. If it makes you feel better to say your team is better becasue they have three kids in 6th while you have three kids who should have been in 6th have at it
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Doesn't Igloo have 2020 players on the team. I guess it's easy to be called the best 2021 team with 6th graders
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/15/14 02:10 PM
The problem is states and even parts of states have different cut off dates for school grade eligibility. NJ or NYC kids moving out to Long Island may be held back at early grades due to the discrepancy. Until every organization and tournament go to age based cut off it will never equal out. Even then, unless cards are issued and checked (as in soccer) people are bound to skirt the rules.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/15/14 02:50 PM
Wolves barely beat that Cuda team and won by a single point.
Wolves did beat 91 Heat up pretty bad , and Cudas also lost to 91 heat by a single point. Moral of the story how long have wolves and Heat been together as a team VS the Cudas? Looks like the team to get your kid on would be the underdog at this time , As the team to watch out for in a couple of years would be that underdog team Cudas.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wolves' dad start winning some tournaments first.
Posted By: tcorc33 Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/15/14 05:25 PM
I hope this is not an adult comparing scores of 10 year olds?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/15/14 07:23 PM
it's a simple yes or no answer. Does 2021 Igloo have 2020 players?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/15/14 08:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
it's a simple yes or no answer. Does 2021 Igloo have 2020 players?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/15/14 08:41 PM
My team is better than your team... because... only if...

you all sound like a bunch of 10/11 year olds smile

Try to keep the posts productive - oh I forgot, how could you then feel good about yourself.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/15/14 08:51 PM
With the attrition you will see, that 'cuddas team will be barely recognizable...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/15/14 10:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TLI is easily near the top of the 2021 rankings. Just ask the other top rated teams. This post must be from a parent who feels they are better because they didn't play them....Careful what you wish for. a lot of talent, determination and skill on that team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TLI is easily near the top of the 2021 rankings. Just ask the other top rated teams. This post must be from a parent who feels they are better because they didn't play them....Careful what you wish for. a lot of talent, determination and skill on that team.


Actually not one other team ever mentioned TLI other than to question where they've been...the only people who rank TLI is TLI. It's pretty comical actually
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/16/14 11:38 AM
TLI play small tourneys like Jay Gallagher which is mostly town teams. Of course they are going to beat those teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/16/14 01:47 PM
you feel good about yourself with 6th graders on a 5th grade team and then brag they are the best 2021 team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/16/14 02:05 PM
What was the final against TLI and 91 this past weekend?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
you feel good about yourself with 6th graders on a 5th grade team and then brag they are the best 2021 team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/16/14 02:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What was the final against TLI and 91 this past weekend?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
you feel good about yourself with 6th graders on a 5th grade team and then brag they are the best 2021 team?


Was 91 by a score of 5-4. TLI is a good team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/16/14 03:44 PM
Yes, he does. Know why, because chances are all the teams they play have OLDER kids. Some teams go by US lax rules so the kid might be in 6th grade but was really born in Novembers. Another team has a kid born in June, held back so its all fine and dandy to play 2021. Its crap and non U teams are really the ones with older kids and we all know it
Originally Posted by Anonymous
you feel good about yourself with 6th graders on a 5th grade team and then brag they are the best 2021 team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/16/14 06:46 PM
Easy there pal... both are good teams. I saw you guys play the Sons, and one player almost single handedly beat Igloo. Hard fought games always competitive. Any given weekend the outcome could be different.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/16/14 09:00 PM
Ok...so 91 beat the Cudas and TLI by one so they are a little better than those 2 teams. Express wolves beat 91 by 4 goals so the wolves would be ranked slightly ahead of 91. And Igloo beat the wolves by 2. So based on scores and wins and losses it is hard to argue against the following:

1. Igloo
2. Express Wolverines
3. Tie - Cudas and TLI
4. Icon
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/16/14 09:11 PM
1. Igloo
2. Wolves
3. 91
4. Tie Cudas and TLI
5. Icon
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/16/14 10:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1. Igloo
2. Wolves
3. 91
4. Tie Cudas and TLI
5. Icon


TLI has not beat any of these teams on this list. Therefore cannot rank in top five
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/17/14 12:31 AM
Igloo slight edge on all of them and can be beat by any one of these teams. If you consider the number of times Igloo practices one would think they should be the best by far but they are not.
91,Wolves and Team Long Island are all even. Cudas Very close almost a tie with the three above and Icon just behind Cudas almost a tie with them. That is if you get microscopic in ranking These teams. I THINK THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!!!!! Any one of these teams could beat any 2021 on any given day including each other.

1. Igloo
2. Wolves
3. 91
4. Tie Cudas and TLI
5. Icon [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/17/14 12:36 AM
I think they have
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1. Igloo
2. Wolves
3. 91
4. Tie Cudas and TLI
5. Icon


TLI has not beat any of these teams on this list. Therefore cannot rank in top five
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/17/14 02:20 AM
Lot's of woulda ,coulda ,shoulda's and maybe's or might ...why not just have all show up for a weekend and find out who the top is ....then what will it be played a bad game , kids were up late watching ESPY's come enough already for now Team Igloo is # 1 .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/17/14 03:00 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lot's of woulda ,coulda ,shoulda's and maybe's or might ...why not just have all show up for a weekend and find out who the top is ....then what will it be played a bad game , kids were up late watching ESPY's come enough already for now Team Igloo is # 1 .

Yes the 2020/2021 Igloo team is the best 2021 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/17/14 12:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think they have
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1. Igloo
2. Wolves
3. 91
4. Tie Cudas and TLI
5. Icon


TLI has not beat any of these teams on this list. Therefore cannot rank in top five


Tell me who and when. I'm talking this year not an indoor game last year
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/17/14 12:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lot's of woulda ,coulda ,shoulda's and maybe's or might ...why not just have all show up for a weekend and find out who the top is ....then what will it be played a bad game , kids were up late watching ESPY's come enough already for now Team Igloo is # 1 .

Yes the 2020/2021 Igloo team is the best 2021 team.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
1. Igloo
2. Wolves
3. 91
4. Tie Cudas and TLI
5. Icon


Quite honestly, the Express teams on this list really do not belong. This is a three horse race between Igloo, Team LI and 91. Igloo definitely with the edge at this time but the other two teams can compete with them on any given day. The express teams seem to have fallen a bit while Team LI has definitely competed and 91 is always in the top few 2021 teams. Again Igloo...Team LI and 91 are the top 2021 teams with the 2nd and 3rd spot a true toss up at this point.
I have no 2021 children playing but have been to several recent tournaments and have seen the 3 above-mentioned teams play. All 3 very good. Express has not been around or at these "better" tournaments?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/17/14 02:26 PM
Express has been at all the big Long Island tournaments this summer and beat everyone they played (including Team 91 by 4 goals) except Igloo and WCS.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/17/14 03:07 PM
How do you really put this "Who is ranked what" to rest already...I am sick of reading this. Come to play next time and if you do then you can say that you did your best...The rest is just excuses.



Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/17/14 03:34 PM
WOW this is great !
You have no 2021 children playing but you know all about Express and 91 and igloo at this age group??? SCARY..., But so happens all of a sudden TLI can compete and be mentioned in this forum of best 2021 teams ? TLI has not stood up and entered in tournaments where the above mentioned has all played in and competed , which so happens to be no blow outs against each other and competing and losing by a couple of points...That my friend is competition at its best !! Until TLI can enter into tournaments where there is real competition be realistic and goto battle against them , Sorry but they do not get included in the list of greatness.. Wake up step away from Mt Sinai TLI compound , theres a whole other world out there that competes seems as if your talking last year , its a whole new ball game this year , express teams have made a huge dent this year . Maybe you should have stuck with the DD as they will be merging with Legacy to become a sturdy B team finally .which will become possibly greater the TLI . LMFAO .. If anything is questionable about Falling a bit , have Gongas set up a scrimmage at the compound , I am sure Express would be more then happy to make the trip out .

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lot's of woulda ,coulda ,shoulda's and maybe's or might ...why not just have all show up for a weekend and find out who the top is ....then what will it be played a bad game , kids were up late watching ESPY's come enough already for now Team Igloo is # 1 .

Yes the 2020/2021 Igloo team is the best 2021 team.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
1. Igloo
2. Wolves
3. 91
4. Tie Cudas and TLI
5. Icon


Quite honestly, the Express teams on this list really do not belong. This is a three horse race between Igloo, Team LI and 91. Igloo definitely with the edge at this time but the other two teams can compete with them on any given day. The express teams seem to have fallen a bit while Team LI has definitely competed and 91 is always in the top few 2021 teams. Again Igloo...Team LI and 91 are the top 2021 teams with the 2nd and 3rd spot a true toss up at this point.
I have no 2021 children playing but have been to several recent tournaments and have seen the 3 above-mentioned teams play. All 3 very good. Express has not been around or at these "better" tournaments?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/17/14 03:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lot's of woulda ,coulda ,shoulda's and maybe's or might ...why not just have all show up for a weekend and find out who the top is ....then what will it be played a bad game , kids were up late watching ESPY's come enough already for now Team Igloo is # 1 .

Yes the 2020/2021 Igloo team is the best 2021 team.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
1. Igloo
2. Wolves
3. 91
4. Tie Cudas and TLI
5. Icon


Quite honestly, the Express teams on this list really do not belong. This is a three horse race between Igloo, Team LI and 91. Igloo definitely with the edge at this time but the other two teams can compete with them on any given day. The express teams seem to have fallen a bit while Team LI has definitely competed and 91 is always in the top few 2021 teams. Again Igloo...Team LI and 91 are the top 2021 teams with the 2nd and 3rd spot a true toss up at this point.
I have no 2021 children playing but have been to several recent tournaments and have seen the 3 above-mentioned teams play. All 3 very good. Express has not been around or at these "better" tournaments?


All this about rising 6th Grade lacrosse. Trust me, been there done that. No college coach asks your kid about his youth team record and what rank they were. They simply don't care.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/17/14 03:48 PM
I believe TLI faced off against 91 last year at STonybrook. Have they played each other since then ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think they have
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1. Igloo
2. Wolves
3. 91
4. Tie Cudas and TLI
5. Icon


TLI has not beat any of these teams on this list. Therefore cannot rank in top five


Tell me who and when. I'm talking this year not an indoor game last year
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/17/14 05:29 PM
Again, you are obviously a disgruntled Express dad!!! I am speaking from recent, real experience and what I have witnessed at recent tournaments within the last several weeks. All facts. Not trying to upset anyone, just giving a objective opinion to what I have seen. No Express teams, they are not relevant....
Maybe you should look around to other clubs as you are clearly unhappy.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/17/14 06:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express has been at all the big Long Island tournaments this summer and beat everyone they played (including Team 91 by 4 goals) except Igloo and WCS.


Didn't Express lose to 2022 Smash?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/17/14 06:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express has been at all the big Long Island tournaments this summer and beat everyone they played (including Team 91 by 4 goals) except Igloo and WCS.


Didn't Express lose to 2022 Smash?


Yup.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/18/14 11:21 AM
What happened to the TLI guy who started the rankings? Couldn't figure out a time where you beat any of them teams in this list? That's what we all thought. The top programs right now after this season is igloo 91 express and icon. These teams know it and ALL of the programs are talented. Anyone's game any given day. Let's see if there's any turnover this year otherwise it will make for another interesting year
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/18/14 01:50 PM
All this chatter about who is better, who is best. I also have been to some of these tournaments and have not seen any of the express teams, other than the 2020 team. Express seems to have a good team at the 2020 level but have to play Crush. Other than the 2020 team I don't think express really competes? Where are they?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/18/14 01:57 PM
I know the Cudas are having tryouts this year and are expecting to pick up some talent in attack, midfield, defense, and goalie. (They have been recruiting hard) Should make for an interesting tryout month. I would expect the 91 and igloo kids that don't play to venture out. With the games being close this year...1-2 players can make all the difference.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/18/14 03:16 PM
Go back and read the thread. I rmember last year my friends kid played 2021 at STonybrook for Express and he texted me that TLI had beaten 91 O. Have these teams played each other since ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened to the TLI guy who started the rankings? Couldn't figure out a time where you beat any of them teams in this list? That's what we all thought. The top programs right now after this season is igloo 91 express and icon. These teams know it and ALL of the programs are talented. Anyone's game any given day. Let's see if there's any turnover this year otherwise it will make for another interesting year
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/18/14 04:11 PM
Who is Icon? Have never seen them at ANY tournaments?

1. Igloo
2. Wolves
3. 91
4. Tie Cudas and TLI
5. Icon [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/18/14 05:03 PM
They are the old Turf Island. I would say they are nipping at the heals of the true A teams but are not there yet. Island
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who is Icon? Have never seen them at ANY tournaments?

1. Igloo
2. Wolves
3. 91
4. Tie Cudas and TLI
5. Icon
[/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/18/14 05:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who is Icon? Have never seen them at ANY tournaments?

1. Igloo
2. Wolves
3. 91
4. Tie Cudas and TLI
5. Icon
[/quote]

Pat McCabes organization in its first year. Doing fairly well so far
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/18/14 05:21 PM
They are there already, very talented team. The only team not to post how great they are.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/18/14 07:28 PM
The beauty of this statement is the guy who asked the question and the one who answered yup below failed to mention that smash has not beat the Cudas in the two games that they went head to head in. So for those who doubt on who is the best ? It's anybodys day of fame on any given weekend . The hunt for the perfect team will take time as many have no patience with the team their son plays on and especially when a parent has his / her own painted picture of how great their son is compared to the other players, whenjoy the patience runs out after that parent doesn't get their way they bail. This does not help their son adapt to the environment he belongs in when a team is in a upward climb, Although everyone is replaceable , it just takes longer to have it perfect , but eventually the team is weeded out of unfortunately crazy parents . And the game becomes enjoyable for the team


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express has been at all the big Long Island tournaments this summer and beat everyone they played (including Team 91 by 4 goals) except Igloo and WCS.


Didn't Express lose to 2022 Smash?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/18/14 08:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The beauty of this statement is the guy who asked the question and the one who answered yup below failed to mention that smash has not beat the Cudas in the two games that they went head to head in. So for those who doubt on who is the best ? It's anybodys day of fame on any given weekend . The hunt for the perfect team will take time as many have no patience with the team their son plays on and especially when a parent has his / her own painted picture of how great their son is compared to the other players, whenjoy the patience runs out after that parent doesn't get their way they bail. This does not help their son adapt to the environment he belongs in when a team is in a upward climb, Although everyone is replaceable , it just takes longer to have it perfect , but eventually the team is weeded out of unfortunately crazy parents . And the game becomes enjoyable for the team


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express has been at all the big Long Island tournaments this summer and beat everyone they played (including Team 91 by 4 goals) except Igloo and WCS.


Didn't Express lose to 2022 Smash?


Congrats, you tied a 2022 team both times you've played them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/18/14 09:02 PM
Why thank you chest pounding Smash Daddy, how did it feel almost getting beaten by United last weekend? After all you guys are legit , seems like competution is creeping up on smash from a "b" team


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The beauty of this statement is the guy who asked the question and the one who answered yup below failed to mention that smash has not beat the Cudas in the two games that they went head to head in. So for those who doubt on who is the best ? It's anybodys day of fame on any given weekend . The hunt for the perfect team will take time as many have no patience with the team their son plays on and especially when a parent has his / her own painted picture of how great their son is compared to the other players, whenjoy the patience runs out after that parent doesn't get their way they bail. This does not help their son adapt to the environment he belongs in when a team is in a upward climb, Although everyone is replaceable , it just takes longer to have it perfect , but eventually the team is weeded out of unfortunately crazy parents . And the game becomes enjoyable for the team


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express has been at all the big Long Island tournaments this summer and beat everyone they played (including Team 91 by 4 goals) except Igloo and WCS.


Didn't Express lose to 2022 Smash?


Congrats, you tied a 2022 team both times you've played them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/18/14 09:11 PM
O
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who is Icon? Have never seen them at ANY tournaments?

1. Igloo
2. Wolves
3. 91
4. Tie Cudas and TLI
5. Icon


Pat McCabes organization in its first year. Doing fairly well so far [/quote]

They are a fantastic team who are well coached. Theya should be # 2 or 3. We Played all of the top teams this year and they are legit. Not as good as igloo, but as good or close to 91 orange.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/18/14 10:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
O
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who is Icon? Have never seen them at ANY tournaments?

1. Igloo
2. Wolves
3. 91
4. Tie Cudas and TLI
5. Icon


Pat McCabes organization in its first year. Doing fairly well so far


They are a fantastic team who are well coached. Theya should be # 2 or 3. We Played all of the top teams this year and they are legit. Not as good as igloo, but as good or close to 91 orange. [/quote]
Express is trying to hard to get their top player.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/19/14 01:21 AM
Okay for them to be #2 they would have had to beat the 4 teams above them, did they ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who is Icon? Have never seen them at ANY tournaments?

1. Igloo
2. Wolves
3. 91
4. Tie Cudas and TLI
5. Icon


Pat McCabes organization in its first year. Doing fairly well so far


They are a fantastic team who are well coached. Theya should be # 2 or 3. We Played all of the top teams this year and they are legit. Not as good as igloo, but as good or close to 91 orange.

Express is trying to hard to get their top player. [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/19/14 01:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why thank you chest pounding Smash Daddy, how did it feel almost getting beaten by United last weekend? After all you guys are legit , seems like competution is creeping up on smash from a "b" team


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The beauty of this statement is the guy who asked the question and the one who answered yup below failed to mention that smash has not beat the Cudas in the two games that they went head to head in. So for those who doubt on who is the best ? It's anybodys day of fame on any given weekend . The hunt for the perfect team will take time as many have no patience with the team their son plays on and especially when a parent has his / her own painted picture of how great their son is compared to the other players, whenjoy the patience runs out after that parent doesn't get their way they bail. This does not help their son adapt to the environment he belongs in when a team is in a upward climb, Although everyone is replaceable , it just takes longer to have it perfect , but eventually the team is weeded out of unfortunately crazy parents . And the game becomes enjoyable for the team


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express has been at all the big Long Island tournaments this summer and beat everyone they played (including Team 91 by 4 goals) except Igloo and WCS.


Didn't Express lose to 2022 Smash?


Key word....almost.

Congrats, you tied a 2022 team both times you've played them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/19/14 01:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who is Icon? Have never seen them at ANY tournaments?

1. Igloo
2. Wolves
3. 91
4. Tie Cudas and TLI
5. Icon
[/quote]

Then you haven't played at any LI tournaments
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/19/14 01:46 PM
Why are we posting about 2022 teams, go back to your own forum
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/19/14 01:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Go back and read the thread. I rmember last year my friends kid played 2021 at STonybrook for Express and he texted me that TLI had beaten 91 O. Have these teams played each other since ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened to the TLI guy who started the rankings? Couldn't figure out a time where you beat any of them teams in this list? That's what we all thought. The top programs right now after this season is igloo 91 express and icon. These teams know it and ALL of the programs are talented. Anyone's game any given day. Let's see if there's any turnover this year otherwise it will make for another interesting year


Did you re-read the post? Last year is last year everyone asked TLI to post when they beat ANY teams listed here to justify putting themselves in the rankings
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/19/14 02:04 PM
A few TLI players will be leaving after this year , talk is Express has made a deal and obtained 4 of their playrers, so no need to include TLI in ranking anymore.


quote=Anonymous]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Go back and read the thread. I rmember last year my friends kid played 2021 at STonybrook for Express and he texted me that TLI had beaten 91 O. Have these teams played each other since ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened to the TLI guy who started the rankings? Couldn't figure out a time where you beat any of them teams in this list? That's what we all thought. The top programs right now after this season is igloo 91 express and icon. These teams know it and ALL of the programs are talented. Anyone's game any given day. Let's see if there's any turnover this year otherwise it will make for another interesting year


Did you re-read the post? Last year is last year everyone asked TLI to post when they beat ANY teams listed here to justify putting themselves in the rankings [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/19/14 02:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who is Icon? Have never seen them at ANY tournaments?

1. Igloo
2. Wolves
3. 91
4. Tie Cudas and TLI
5. Icon


Pat McCabes organization in its first year. Doing fairly well so far


They are a fantastic team who are well coached. Theya should be # 2 or 3. We Played all of the top teams this year and they are legit. Not as good as igloo, but as good or close to 91 orange.[/quote]

I agree- they are a good team. I have seen them play and they are skilled. I heard they do not practice as much as the other teams and are definitely more of a summer tourney team, rather than year round like others. Is this true?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/19/14 02:23 PM
I think a lot of people on here need to stop for a minute and realize what you are saying. Of course program directors will care about rankings, it's how they make their money. It helps generate interest and allows them to have more teams. But do you honestly think once your son is on a team he cares where parents are ranking their team? I don't believe so. I know my son doesn't. Does my son wanna win yes but most 11 yr old kids don't care if they win a B division or an A. B teams I've seen this year do have A quality players on their team. All that should matter is that your kid is happy and wants to go to practice/games. Do they have a coach that teaches and inspires them, that's important. If they lose do they have friends that they'll go off to the tent with and five minutes later forget about it? These are the things people should post about. Do you get along with the parents? You better you'll spend enough time with them. These are the types of posts that should help you with your decision making. If you are medal chasing chances are you're trying out for an established team with limited spots
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/19/14 02:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who is Icon? Have never seen them at ANY tournaments?

1. Igloo
2. Wolves
3. 91
4. Tie Cudas and TLI
5. Icon


Pat McCabes organization in its first year. Doing fairly well so far


They are a fantastic team who are well coached. Theya should be # 2 or 3. We Played all of the top teams this year and they are legit. Not as good as igloo, but as good or close to 91 orange.


I agree- they are a good team. I have seen them play and they are skilled. I heard they do not practice as much as the other teams and are definitely more of a summer tourney team, rather than year round like others. Is this true?[/quote]


I am not sure what other teams practice but if you go to their website you can check out what was offered to the program last year and compare. I can tell you that they have the best coaches my son has ever had in any sport.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/19/14 02:54 PM
Is there any truth to the rumor that you have to play Express to play at Chaminade? If so there will be quite a turnover in the next few years on all teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/19/14 03:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there any truth to the rumor that you have to play Express to play at Chaminade? If so there will be quite a turnover in the next few years on all teams


No there are some kids that play for Chaminade and play for 91 as well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/19/14 08:55 PM
Any info on the new LI Hurricanes team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/20/14 09:53 AM
Cricket...........cricket...........cricket.......... cricket..........cricket ......



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Go back and read the thread. I rmember last year my friends kid played 2021 at STonybrook for Express and he texted me that TLI had beaten 91 O. Have these teams played each other since ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened to the TLI guy who started the rankings? Couldn't figure out a time where you beat any of them teams in this list? That's what we all thought. The top programs right now after this season is igloo 91 express and icon. These teams know it and ALL of the programs are talented. Anyone's game any given day. Let's see if there's any turnover this year otherwise it will make for another interesting year


Did you re-read the post? Last year is last year everyone asked TLI to post when they beat ANY teams listed here to justify putting themselves in the rankings
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/20/14 12:20 PM
Did you read the post ? They beat 91 last year . so who beat them this year ? if you dont play then you have to refer back tot he last time you played. DOnt care hwat you say, I dont have a son on that team, Igloo the best at this age group but TLI is in the top 5. Just because you HAVENT played them is not an automatic dis qualifier . Just because a team has 2 or 3 kids a grade above when their competition has 2 or 3 kids even older then those kids but who where held back does disqualify that team either. What I find sad here is the need of so many to drag others won in order to feel better about themselves.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cricket...........cricket...........cricket.......... cricket..........cricket ......



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Go back and read the thread. I rmember last year my friends kid played 2021 at STonybrook for Express and he texted me that TLI had beaten 91 O. Have these teams played each other since ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened to the TLI guy who started the rankings? Couldn't figure out a time where you beat any of them teams in this list? That's what we all thought. The top programs right now after this season is igloo 91 express and icon. These teams know it and ALL of the programs are talented. Anyone's game any given day. Let's see if there's any turnover this year otherwise it will make for another interesting year


Did you re-read the post? Last year is last year everyone asked TLI to post when they beat ANY teams listed here to justify putting themselves in the rankings
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/20/14 02:03 PM
What were the scores of the Bigtime Shootout? Who won? Who beat who?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/21/14 02:19 PM
Anyone playing in the Chocolatetown Shootout this weekend?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/21/14 04:26 PM
Daler Nation is playing in the Chocolatetown Shootout this weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/21/14 04:56 PM
Jester B team is playing is the A team playing?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/21/14 07:43 PM
Team Igloo 2021 and 2022 win the Bitter Lacrosse Tournament in Stowe,VT.
Great location for a tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/21/14 08:30 PM
how did the 2018 team do?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team Igloo 2021 and 2022 win the Bitter Lacrosse Tournament in Stowe,VT.
Great location for a tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/22/14 12:55 AM
2018 legacy wins
2019 legacy wins
2020 legacy wins at stowe
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/22/14 01:53 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 legacy wins
2019 legacy wins
2020 legacy wins at stowe


Must have been weak competition as with the exception of 2021 igloo, not one of these teams (2022 igloo or any legacy teams) won any tournaments on LI against local teams. Just sayin, long and expensive way to go just to get a win
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/22/14 02:26 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 legacy wins
2019 legacy wins
2020 legacy wins at stowe


Must have been weak competition as with the exception of 2021 igloo, not one of these teams (2022 igloo or any legacy teams) won any tournaments on LI against local teams. Just sayin, long and expensive way to go just to get a win


Actually Legacy 2020 won a local tournament, I believe it was foresberg beating titanium for the championship
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/22/14 11:12 AM
2019 lost in the championship this year a few times so they are legitimate!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/22/14 12:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 legacy wins
2019 legacy wins
2020 legacy wins at stowe


Must have been weak competition as with the exception of 2021 igloo, not one of these teams (2022 igloo or any legacy teams) won any tournaments on LI against local teams. Just sayin, long and expensive way to go just to get a win


You are an idiot and have no idea what you're talking about. Just trying to stir pot. Check your facts before you run your mouth!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/22/14 01:14 PM
can someone explain the animosity towards Legacy? If you are a parent on another team why would you care about another program. If you are a 91 or express parent, I don't think there is any doubt that they are great programs. Legacy is another program out there. So why the trash talking of legacy? If you are express igloo 91 parent or player great. but the negative talk and hate that comes out on this site is pretty sad. I do not think the posts are from kids/players either. The players all seem to get along off the field, its the pathetic parents that feel the need to smack down another program. Somewhere on this site the posts were slagging a dad and his kid! how bad is that? this site has reached a new low.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/22/14 01:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 legacy wins
2019 legacy wins
2020 legacy wins at stowe


Must have been weak competition as with the exception of 2021 igloo, not one of these teams (2022 igloo or any legacy teams) won any tournaments on LI against local teams. Just sayin, long and expensive way to go just to get a win


You are an idiot and have no idea what you're talking about. Just trying to stir pot. Check your facts before you run your mouth!


Legacy 2020 won 4 championshipso this year. At least one featured high level competition, so what are you trying to say?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/22/14 01:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 legacy wins
2019 legacy wins
2020 legacy wins at stowe


Must have been weak competition as with the exception of 2021 igloo, not one of these teams (2022 igloo or any legacy teams) won any tournaments on LI against local teams. Just sayin, long and expensive way to go just to get a win


You are an idiot and have no idea what you're talking about. Just trying to stir pot. Check your facts before you run your mouth!


Legacy 2020 won 4 championshipso this year. At least one featured high level competition, so what are you trying to say?


Solid B + / A- team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/22/14 10:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 legacy wins
2019 legacy wins
2020 legacy wins at stowe


Must have been weak competition as with the exception of 2021 igloo, not one of these teams (2022 igloo or any legacy teams) won any tournaments on LI against local teams. Just sayin, long and expensive way to go just to get a win


You are an idiot and have no idea what you're talking about. Just trying to stir pot. Check your facts before you run your mouth!


Legacy 2020 won 4 championshipso this year. At least one featured high level competition, so what are you trying to say?


Solid B + / A- team.
This guy is just fishing for an argument, it is just someone's opinion. If you don't bite he will move on. There were good Legacy teams and there were no so good teams. If you like the team you kid was on then stay. If you didn't like your results then move on. If you think any of these clubs are not making the almighty dollar then you are silly. Just make sure your kid is happy with the team and the kids. That's it, Later.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/23/14 11:08 AM
Question with legacy team , with the DD merge will changes be made to not allow unhappy grass is greener elsewhere but here Travel CLUB hopping people who were dismissed from team early in season to reappear and still be aloud to participate in tournaments at the end of travel season ? No less create a worse off effect on team spirits bumping playtime for the long haul players and not even making any difference in the outcome of grabbing a ship ? Just wanted to know if this will continue so we don't waste our time coming back . It seems these people have hit every travel program on the island in one season pissing off every coach but somehow weasels their way back .Very disappointing that this happened this past weekend !especially when the organization dismissed them and made it public.




Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 legacy wins
2019 legacy wins
2020 legacy wins at stowe


Must have been weak competition as with the exception of 2021 igloo, not one of these teams (2022 igloo or any legacy teams) won any tournaments on LI against local teams. Just sayin, long and expensive way to go just to get a win


You are an idiot and have no idea what you're talking about. Just trying to stir pot. Check your facts before you run your mouth!


Legacy 2020 won 4 championshipso this year. At least one featured high level competition, so what are you trying to say?


Solid B + / A- team.
This guy is just fishing for an argument, it is just someone's opinion. If you don't bite he will move on. There were good Legacy teams and there were no so good teams. If you like the team you kid was on then stay. If you didn't like your results then move on. If you think any of these clubs are not making the almighty dollar then you are silly. Just make sure your kid is happy with the team and the kids. That's it, Later.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/23/14 11:38 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 legacy wins
2019 legacy wins
2020 legacy wins at stowe


Must have been weak competition as with the exception of 2021 igloo, not one of these teams (2022 igloo or any legacy teams) won any tournaments on LI against local teams. Just sayin, long and expensive way to go just to get a win


You are an idiot and have no idea what you're talking about. Just trying to stir pot. Check your facts before you run your mouth!


Just Sayin
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/23/14 11:45 AM
Is it football season yet?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/23/14 02:27 PM
Just sayin too ! a new prime example of the meaning of the word TRAVEL..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/24/14 04:27 PM
Igloo is going to play at the stoneybrook tournament this weekend to silence all the nay sayers. No practices for igloo either. Igloo will just show up, win, and put the rest of you below the #1 ranking as you all should be.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/24/14 04:46 PM
Your probably right. But for $3,500 I would hope the could swing at least on practice. I mean other programs 2023 teams are practicing 2x a week for half that price.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/24/14 06:06 PM
This post is a surprise. I think everyone agreed Igloo was the best 2021 team this year. Read the above posts. I guess money and wins can't buy class.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo is going to play at the stoneybrook tournament this weekend to silence all the nay sayers. No practices for igloo either. Igloo will just show up, win, and put the rest of you below the #1 ranking as you all should be.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/24/14 06:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo is going to play at the stoneybrook tournament this weekend to silence all the nay sayers. No practices for igloo either. Igloo will just show up, win, and put the rest of you below the #1 ranking as you all should be.
For your child's sake I hope you do because I would not want to go through what your child would have to if they lose. I am going to send my kids friends home so he can practice lacrosse AND BECOME THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD (enter echo here). Na, your a complete loser. Ask yourself this, Does junior have any friends that do not play lacrosse? If you answer no then it is time to review the parenting handbook. See you at the student loan seminar, I will be the one with the kid that smiles.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/24/14 07:06 PM
I think you have a non-igloo parent posting her because Igloo 2021 will not be at Stony Brook this weekend. Someone just being stupid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/24/14 07:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This post is a surprise. I think everyone agreed Igloo was the best 2021 team this year. Read the above posts. I guess money and wins can't buy class.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo is going to play at the stoneybrook tournament this weekend to silence all the nay sayers. No practices for igloo either. Igloo will just show up, win, and put the rest of you below the #1 ranking as you all should be.


No practices didn't u just play last weekend? You act like the haven't played for two months and are going in cold.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/24/14 07:11 PM
Between the equiptment, uniforms, apparel, practices winter/spring/summer, agility and speciality training, tournaments... the price is very reasonable and transparent.

This level of time and financial committment is not for everyone. Not because maybe they can't afford - but they may not want to allocate their time and/or funds.

Choices!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/24/14 07:28 PM
This is someone stirring the pot. No Igloo parent is writing this.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/25/14 04:32 AM
Has anyone heard about this program " Real Leaguer Rate "? Supposedly coached by one of the Thompson family relatives. Pretty big in Canada. Roots are combo box/freestyle. Lots of stick work with one hand (I saw some you tube clip where they tape the kids arm to his side). Anyway they have a 2021 team that has not lost since pre k. They are trying to set up a program in New Jersey. Wait list for tryouts!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/25/14 01:35 PM
Do you have a link? Tried searching with no success
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2021 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 07/26/14 05:47 AM
Really?? The tournament director would never allow it.
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