This thread will be used to discuss the Spring 2013 Nassau PAL League program, games, schedules, and results.

The Nassau PAL Calendar has the following dates of note :

March 16th : Final Schedules Completed
April 6th/7th : First Game
April 13th/14th : Second Game
April 20th/21st : Third Game
April 27th/28th : Fourth Game
May 4th/5th : Fifth Game
May 11th/12th : Sixth Game
May 18th/19th : Seventh Game
June 1st/2nd : Eighth Game
June 8th/9th : PAL Festival

I have a question my daughter plays 5th grade PAL , how do you know who's in your division? Is it listed anywhere like soccer D1 and the teams , D2 and so on.just curious

When a town has two teans at the 5th grade level does PAL require that they be designated as A and B? We are playing in D1 with a split team, 12 can pass and catch and 11 are borderline developmental.

Divisions are used in the age groups. If you want to take a look at last year's 2012 schedules, visit this link for the details as this might help answer your questions. The format looks very much like the [lacrosse] Soccer Divisions with which you are familiar. The difference will be that we are unaware whether any results are ever recorded to rank the teams from season to season.

This question is related to boys.

you need to get a life, 5th grade A and B who cares..

Not really. There are kids who are very talented , playing with and against kids who can't catch and throw. Two totally different sides of the spectrum. Neither benefits.

Here is a little info on the NCPAL structure.
Boys: 5th & 6th grade are allowed to "stack" a team . that team is to play in the "A" division. This is done by a small percentage of towns that are looking for that level of competition. All other teams in PAL must have all of there teams entered as balanced teams. These teams are placed in D1,2,3,4....... sometimes you will get a group of 3rd & 4th graders that gell and work hard on a specific "balanced " team this team will work its way into D1 with a strong core and handfull of ball droppers. Other teams will stay with 3 or 4 talented players and the rest only pick up there sticks when the team practices. This team will stay in D2 or 3 depending on how good the 3 or 4 studs are. Now that is how a town team is supposed to be set up. We all know there are towns that have tryouts and put there A team in D1 and all of the ball droppers in D 3 or 4 ..............

Girls: All NCPAL Girls teams at any age group a supposed to be balanced as described in the text above.......we all know that isn't the case with some towns but thats life....

Girls divisions in Nassau are done by the program Directors after talking with the Coaches. All you could hope everyone is honest and the teams are placed in divisions that allow them to develop not just go undefeated

Amen to that.
The "Divisions" are not similar to soccer in the PAL because PAL is not a championship program. There is no prize at the end of the season other than the girls learning and playing with the other girls within their community (In short, it is an intramural program). The "divisions" are purposely not public (unlike soccer) because of the philosophy of the PAL. The directors place the teams in divisions based on 2 factors: 1- What was the team's record the previous year 2- Is the team basically the same make up of kids from the previous year
The reason for the "divisions" is to allow teams to play competitively.. NOT to win all of their games OR to be crushed by stronger teams.

The "Rule" (aside from boy's 5 and 6) is that if there are two town teams they SHOULD BE AS CLOSE TO EQUAL ABILITY AS POSSIBLE. (Unfortunately, you are right, not every community follows this). Of course, one or two players can make one team a bit stronger or weaker. This is why PAL asks that if there are two teams they be placed in adjacent divisions (A and B, or B and C, or C and D). An "A" division team and a "C" division team clearly means that one team is stacked.

PAL is about Learning , If you want more that is why there is Travel. If you do both accept PAL for what it is a good way for boys and girls to learn the game and DEVELOP

Looks like this link is for the boys is their a girls schedule for 2012 available.

Nassau PAL never published the girls schedule in 2012 and BOTC never received a copy from any contributors last season.

As of last year, PAL allowed towns that have 2 teams in the 5th and 6th grade to split them by ability. It took them a few years too long to approve this.
This obviously is a positive sign, that this league is showing that it can evolve somewhat. The top divisions provide excellent competition in 5th and 6th grade. The lower divisions allow kids that are not as far along in their development to get to touch the ball, and play against appropriate competition.

Get a life, why? That is what they are trying to instill in thier 10 year olds. How would you like it if they said get a life and coddle your baby as long as you can.


lets see how you enjoy it when those 3 or 4 better boys who can play dont pass it to your boy or unfortunatley i hope this isnt you but if they do pass it to him you dont scream at him to catch it and later berate him in the car

There should be rosters open to change throughout the season for players to grow into teams. let all players improve to their fullest potential.

this culture of everything needs to be balanced is not fair to anyone

what is also not fair is pulling kids for outside of your school disctrict regardless if their town doesnt have a program. If a town doesnt have a program PAL should authorize the towns that should be able to mix and match and who to mix and match with. How about those teams taking boys from Suffolk PAL who just dont want to play in their towns PAL.

I heard the PAL schedules were finalized and sent out. It would be great if someone can post what they have.

Yes the full master schedules were sent out a few days ago.

The final boys schedule was sent, not the girls yet.

Any idea on when the girls schedule is supposed to be published?

Its PAL Lax not travel. The better players help the ones who are not as talented. Players who are all bad can not help each other. If you are the crazy parent who needs to get his kid to the next level, go to one of the hundreds of travel teams and get out of PAL. If you have a good PAL coach he should know this already. There are no tryouts for PAL it is there to help instruct the players.

Did Three village move from Nassau to Suffolk because of this?

3 Village has their "A" 5th grade team entered in Nassau PAL.

I would say no 8 years ago my Son played in Nassau PAL and he played a Three Village team

where can we get the actual schedule of game dates with time and locations for 6th grade boys? website just has weeks there are games, but not who plays who, where or what time.

Boys PAL coaches have there schedules they are not posted on the web site.

Girls schedules were recieved by the directors and are due back to NCPAL tonight at 10 pm tonight for corrections. the girls coaches will get them back sometime this week and they will send you your schedule. It is the same every year you will have them a little more than a week befor 4/7 opening day.

Can someone explain why it's so hard to get a schedule?

No. Not only has BOTC requested this data from the organization, but we have also put out a call to our readers to share the schedules that they have received.

PAL does not publish there schedules for the public. They will be posted on there Horizon website for coaches and directors to view. Everyone else will get the schedule from the coaches.

BOTC has received a copy of the Spring 2013 PAL Spring Schedule from one of our readers. We will have the details posted in our next post on this thread.

Nassau County PAL Spring 2013 Schedule

Nassau PAL Lacrosse Schedule - Spring 2013 (Adobe Acrobat, 450kb)

Please note that the date on these files is March 16th.

is this schedule for boys, girls or both??

BOTC has been told that this is the all-inclusive boys schedule. The girls schedule was still being worked from what we were told. Should any of our readers have a copy of the all-girls schedule, forward us the details and we will post them this evening.

Still no girls schedule?

BOTC will never understand why parents, coaches, and clubs continue to accept poor customer service. This is at least the third consecutive Spring where BOTC has witnessed the same lack of concern for the girls's side of the game in this league; eventually, someone has to get the hint.

Our e-mails to the Nassau PAL program (as we have it) have gone unanswered. So, if there is a parent in our audience who has a copy of the ladies schedules, please send it to us here at BOTC and we will do our best to share it with the community.

The girls schedules are not distributed to everyone . They are posted on Horizonwebref so only coaches can view them. remember PAL wants every team to be 500. They have no interest in feeding into this my town team is better than yours. PAL is a developmental league with all towns that have multiple team required to enter them balanced. If you want your kids schedule ask her coach. If you want the schedules to size up the competition get a life!

Why is it different for boys and girls?

The boys just started with Horizon this year so they still had the old paper system going as well

I can understand not posting the weekly game results on a website to avoid the trash talk that seems to occur after the fact, but what is the issue with providing a comprehensive schedule?

In my case, I just want to know when the other girls teams from our club and neighboring towns are playing so we might watch to learn or see other kids we know play. Yes, I could email the coaches of those teams/grades directly, but it's a pain for them and me.

How nice of you to care about neiboring towns .....

Why keep score at all? Why don't all PAL teams just have scrimmages every week? Every team can have the same amount of possessions, the same amount of shots on goal, and if one team is still ahead we can give the other team a few extra possessions so the can even the score. PAL's goal is for every team to have a .500 record, where is that written? It's certainly a sign of the times we're living in ... everyone gets a trophy, everyone needs to be equal, level the playing field, fair and balanced, grade on a curve, effort counts more than results and on and on... The PC crowd is going to be the death of this country.

Stop creating drama -- our towns are small and people are friends and know other people in the surrounding towns. They may go to school with them or play other sports with them.

I'm not defending the lack of publishing a schedule, but if the league is designed more as a developmental recreational league vs. a competitive travel league, then they would probably want to provide structured games without strict divisional standings. It's more like intramural across towns, since each town can't really field enough players for multiple teams.

If you have players that need more competition or want to play with a team based on tryouts, then there are likely other leagues better suited to your needs and you should seek those out.

I'm just wondering if the PAL Festival in Farmingdale coincides with Andy Forsberg Tourney. Although the date for the Festival is not listed on the PAL schedule, the week would be June 8 & 9. Could be an interesting weekend, and I may be reading incorrectly.

The PAL festival is listed on the PAL calendar for the weekend of june 8 and 9. Every year alot of teams have a hard time even having enough players to play in the festival because of tournaments on those days.

How embarrassing Syosset got busted trying to sneak 6th grade girls into their 5th grade game with Harbor Fields. The coach told the girls to use names of 5th grade girls who were rostered on the team but did not attend the game. Who says PAL games don't matter.

If true the coach should be banned. The honest thing to do would be to shake the other teams coaches hand tell he or she that you forfeit and ask if they would like to scrimage with a couple of older girls mixed in to field a team. So much for teaching the 10& 11 year old girls how to do the right thing!!Pay the refs and let the girls play !! It is embarrassing that this stuff goes on. Some people will never get it!

If Syosset is doing this in PAL, I can only imagine what they try to pull in Tournaments

yes... it always does. same as the JDRF the week before

Notice to ALL coaches PAL - boys/girls - I suggest asking for roster cards before each and every one of your games - I know I am now....trust no one - the youth sports world is full of Danny Amonte's - and it will never end

I wouldn't lump all Syosset coaches together. This is one coach for Syosset and looking at their lacrosse success at their high school level i would say their youth coaches are doing the right thing for the most part.

3rd Grade A Div

BEWARE OF GARDEN CITY - WHITE - Perisa CHEATERS!!!!!!!!!!!

They used an older brother to play goalie today against Franklin Square. Coach is constantly on the field and walks end line to end line to scream at his players.

Same coach who was penalized in football playoff game (also against FS) this season for SCREAMING "Hurt Him" as the FS QB ran all over his team.

DIRTBAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow another anonymous post ripping someone on this site, speak to your sons coach and go through proper channels within NCPAL it will be much more of a posotive experience for evryone.

Sometime word of mouth on here is better than going to your coach who will do NOTHING.

Is the information wrong?

I have no idea if any of the information is true. I coach a girls team. If it is true they should contact the NCPAL board and file a report documenting what happened. That would get better results than just posting about it.

All info 100% CORRECT. Go to FS Lax and Football websites and email the third grade coordinators to confirm for yourself.

Kidsgame - go back to your 2nd rate TopGuns thread.

No, the information is correct. Finnell also cheats. He brings in college kids and a few MLL players every year to play Carey. I swear! Just ask the Franklin Square parents.

Mr.or Mrs. Anonymous,

My point is simple... If all of what you are stating is 100% true you have a right to be upset about it. You should also be obligated to report it to the league. The results you will get from posting about it anonymously will get you nowhere.
Here is a copy of a couple of pages from the NCPAL rules that apply to this. Contact your towns Lacrosse director and do something about it.
Items # 3,5,7,8,9 pertain to this.
ARTICLE III
CODE of CONDUCT
BOYS & GIRLS
Nassau County P.A.L. Youth Lacrosse League
It is the Responsibility of all Lacrosse Organizations, Directors and Coaches in the P.A.L. Youth Lacrosse League to endorse and implement the following concepts:
1. All P.A.L. Lacrosse organizations will share the Code of Conduct with their Directors, Coaches, Players and Spectators, and distribute it to them in an effective manner.
2. All organizations are asked to post P.A.L. Lacrosse Code of Conduct at all games where possible.
3. Organizations playing in the P.A.L. Youth Lacrosse programs will be held responsible for the conduct of their Players, Directors, Coaches and spectators.
4. Organizations must provide adequate supervision at all P.A.L. Youth Lacrosse Games.
5. It should be known that if any violation occurs at an event, it is the responsibility of the organizations participating.
6. It is the responsibility of each lacrosse organization to make sure that all their players are from their own school district. Only with advanced written permission from both directors, one from each community can a player switch to another town.
7. Unless the P.A.L. Executive Board approves it in advance, players are not permitted to simultaneously play on any two (2) N.C. P.A.L. Youth Lacrosse League Teams.
8. 1st and 2nd Graders cannot play up. From 3rd grade to 8th Grade, NO player can play down.
It is the responsibility of all Directors to report any infractions to the N.C. P.A.L. Youth Lacrosse League ethics Chair.
10. This Proclamation must be signed and date by all Directors.
11. All Organizations participating in the P.A.L. Youth Lacrosse League must abide by these rules.
12.
Community: _________________________ Grade: ___2nd, ___3rd, ___4th, ___5th, ___6th, ___7/8th
Have All your coaches been informed about the above Code of Conduct? ____ YES ____ NO
_____ BOYS _____ GIRLS
________________________________________ _____________________________________
Directors Signature Please Print Date: _________________



ARTICLE III Continues
CODE OF CONDUCT
Coaches will control their behavior before, during and after a game, scrimmage or any other PAL League event. Cursing, verbal or physical abuse will not be permitted to be used by any member of the coaching staff, player or parent. No verbal or physical abuse of a referee, game official or visiting coach will be tolerated.
Coaches are responsible for the behavior of their team’s parents and spectators at all times. Cursing, verbal and/or physical abuse of any player, coach or referee will not be tolerated. Penalties can be assessed against a team for the unsportsmanlike conduct of a parent or spectator and may also jeopardize continued play of the game.
COMPLAINT PROCEDURE
Any complaints concerning PAL League rules, regulations or code of conduct by anyone participating in or attending any PAL League event should be reported to the Community Director. The Community Director will then notify the League Board as to the nature of the complaint. All complaints will be reviewed and investigated by the PAL Board Ethics Committee and a determination will be made about the complaint that may include fines and/or suspension.
GAME EJECTION
Any player, coach or director ejected from a scheduled PAL League game for fighting or unsportsmanlike conduct or leaves the bench and goes onto the field during an altercation will be automatically suspended from the next scheduled League game and placed on probation for the remainder of the season. Unsportsmanlike conduct by a spectator can jeopardize continued play of the game. Violation of probation may lead to suspension for the season or expulsion from the PAL League.
RULES VIOLATION
Any coach or director, who knowingly allows a player to participate in a scheduled PAL League game in violation of PAL League rules and regulations, will be automatically suspended. The length of the suspension and the amount of any fines assessed will be determined by the PAL League Board Ethics Committee. Any situations or unusual circumstances not covered by the code of conduct will be reviewed by the League Board and the Board will have the authority to take any action it deems appropriate.
Any Director or coach in The League, who becomes aware of any violations of League rules by any other member of The League, is honor bound to report it to The League Board. Any coach who becomes aware of an ineligible player on his or her team must report it to their director immediately before the play of the next scheduled game.
Each team (and its head coach) is responsible for the conduct of their team personnel and attendants. Coaches should work with the officials to promote good sportsmanship during the game. Ethical breaches should be reported immediately to the league office. The home team administration is ultimately responsible for the conduct of spectators and others attending the game. Coaches should cooperate with the officials in controlling any undesired conduct by spectators.
Any problems encountered with game officials should be reported immediately to the Board of Directors.

Are you a part of NPAL - Now that the accusation has been posted is it your responsibility to investigate. or will the snowball continue to grow while people pass the buck?

You lost get over it. I love how cowards hide behind the anonymous post. Typical comment from a coward, tool box. FYI the goalie is 8, he is also our RB in football.
The FS football team is very good an the QB is very good. You should have your QB play lacrosse , he could have helped you, but best player on the field was my GOALIE!!!!!
On another note, FS 3rd grade lax boys played a great game, their goalie was really good and the team well organized and tough. GOOD KIDS
TO THE POSTER< GET A LIFE<

The snowball will continue to grow until someone from the organizations involved in the incident do something.....

Have your Club Director download off the NCPAL website a incident report they are online for all to see. It says on the report that it must be handed in "prior to the next scheduled game."

NCPAL Code of Conduct item # "5. It should be known that if any violation occurs at an event, it is the responsibility of the organizations participating."

Item # 9
"It is the responsibility of all Directors to report any infractions to the N.C. P.A.L. Youth Lacrosse League ethics Chair."

COMPLAINT PROCEDURE
"Any complaints concerning PAL League rules, regulations or code of conduct by anyone participating in or attending any PAL League event should be reported to the Community Director. The Community Director will then notify the League Board as to the nature of the complaint. All complaints will be reviewed and investigated by the PAL Board Ethics Committee and a determination will be made about the complaint that may include fines and/or suspension."

WRONG COACH , that was a false accusation to one of my asst coaches, and if it was said why was there not even a penalty flag????? and nothing came of it, except your lies were discovered to be that just lies. HIDE BEHIND YOU ANONYMOUS LIES< COWARD >

As a GC parent and coach, who has friends on both of the FS and GC teams, what troubles me the most is that we, the adults, are what could have potentially ruined our boy's game experiences yesterday. Let's all take a deep breath and remember that our boys are 8 and 9 years old and they are all still just learning the basics. It was a hard fought game by both teams and as a spectator only focusing on the boys on the field, not the parents on the sidelines, I was very impressed with the skill level displayed. Both teams were very well coached and at this age that is all that matters.
S.M.

True. Which is why I guess I'll never understand why a coach who has a perfectly capable team needs to give themselves an unfair advantage, especially at this level?

When it happens to you GC, and I'm sure it will, think of FS--the boys, beautiful amazing kids who love this sport and were cheated out of a fair game then maybe you'll get it.


Congrats on your win!

The one who should be sited is the loud mouth mom from FS embarassing herself at the end of the game in front of her entire team and all the GC parents. What an example she sets--- be loud, aggressive and rude when you lose. She ought to be banned from all future events.

Nobody was EVER penalized in football..... false accusation

What was the unfair advantage? I am missing something here. All of the boys are in 3rd grade and are either 8 or 9 years old.

I am not from GC or FS but find this back and forth entertaining. Real simple, a GC parent or two should come forward and let us know if their goalie was the 8 year old RB or an older kid. Without using kids names provide some evidence that there wasnt an older kid in goal. For instance tell us that in fact the 8 year old RB wasnt even at the game, or plays on another team or played a different position in the game.

Agreed. It's black and white. He is either in 3rd grade or he is not. Only grey area would be if he is in 3rd grade but on a different GC team and played with this GC team this day because they needed a goalie. Then I would say GC coaches should have asked FS coaches but it's not nearly as bad since he would at least be the same age. GC coaches need to clear this up - WITHOUT mentioning names.

BOTC is in touch with an individual who reports to be very close to this situation; this individual claims to have knowledge of both the Frankin Square and Garden City third grade teams.

The report goes on to state that there were no "ringers" playing for either side in this game. BOTC expects to receive some additional supporting information shortly.

I am one of the coaches of a travel team. I was at the 3rd grade GC vs FS game that is being discussed on BOTC. My Sons team played later in the day @ GC. All this info is verifiable. I have players on BOTH teams and am familiar with both teams and both coaches. GC did not have any "older brother" playing goalie or any boys who have not been on the team all season. I don't know ALL of the FS boys, but I didn't see any ringers on their side either. Everyone on the teams concerned will realize I am the author of the post, and I would be the only person with something to lose by not reporting the facts correctly.

100% 3rd grade, on that team, 8years , not even 9 yet
100%

The boy is on that team and 8 years old, great kid!! and an athlete

It was last years all american goalie from GCHS , thats what a FS person said

GC was unable to provide a lagitimate roster. Why is that? the roster they provided had 16 kids on it and they had 22 kids on that field yesterday, I am a parent of one of the players yesterday, so can someone please explain to me how when a roster is requested by the opposing teams coach, the response is 'um i don't have a correct roster all the kids are not on there" is'nt there some kind of rule about rosters and having them available and correct at games.

Close -- he will be an All-American goalie though in about 9 years or so!

That is the most pathetic comment. An all American in 9 years. First of all the true All Americans are serving our country . You people are completly insane with 3rd grade lacrosse. Actually all ages. Do you really talk to your coworkers about this stuff . If so you are probobly laughed at when you walk away after bragging that your kid had a hat trick at 9yrs old. I've never seen adults so envious of their children before .

Rosters are NOT required to be brought to games. Rosters are made in Feb. before sign-ups/reg. is finished. I am sure an updated roster will be provided to the FS coach to prove validity. Also, the ref at this game said that in 15 years, he hasn't seen one roster. Curious if FS asks every team for a roster or just GC???

Correct! He will be an All-American in any sport he does!

Pictures were taken at the game and it is VERY clear who is in goal for GC. An eight year old, third grade boy who ONLY plays on this GC team.

An updated roster today or tomorrow wouldnt prove any validation as to who was on that field yesterday, and that referee must have been not the referee that said 'he couldnt understand why gc couldnt show us a roster' so once again he said she said but what it does come down to is, not who won or lost or even the boys that played its about an arrogant coach who is teaching the kids the wrong rules of the sport... And as far as FS, we as parents are a tight nit comunity, who cheer on our kids regardless of winning or loseing, they are taught the RIGHT rules in all the sports they are involved in by very capable coaches, and when we see something not right we call bulls%$# and thats exactly what happened yesterday, so anyone can say anything about us FS parents but in the reality of it all, we wouldnt do anything difrently than we do already.
And that is TEACH OUR CHILDREN THE RIGHT WAY.

are you the coach , were you there , and can you spell??

Lol That's not at all what was said. Your saying a high schooler played with 3rd grade. Hahahaha, Obviously a way blown out of proportion exgerration. Please think before you post.

do rules state you must bring a roster? I have coached many PAL games and never brought or seen one. You must always be right. Can't reason with ignorant

How ignorant and arrogant!!!!! But i wouldn't have expected anything less... I won't even stoop to your level....How pathetic after that lengthy post that THAT was your response...
AND FYI I'm not the coach. I am a parent who calls it as she sees it.... Parent to the FS goalie.... I don't need to be anonymous

Having been at the game and witnessed what transpired at the end of the game, I was appauled and embarassed for FS. It is one thing to discuss an issue with the coach, but it is another thing all together to yell profanity at parents, especially in front of children! To make fun of someones clothing and degrade one another is completely unacceptable. The 8 year old GC goalie did an unbelievable job, and FS couldn't accept the loss. What a terrible example to set for your kids of how to lose gracefully. Shame on all of you for even making this an issue. Your kids played hard and you should've focused on their efforts rather than shouting cheater and making excuses. This seems to be the norm for FS. Never happens with any other town.

I have followed the debate and even spoken to some of the anonymous posters. It is cut and dry. GC had an 8 year old in cage, no older brothers or anything like that. GC is only guilty of having a faulty roster, meaninig they have 4 teams all with age appropriate kids but that the rosters for the individual teams may not reflect the actual kids playing on that team. I am a coach for a PAL team and we had to add a few kids to our roster after we submitted it to PAL. my town only has 40 kids playing so if you have 90-100 I can see this being a real problem. My opinion is that this is sloppy administrative leadership at GC but that's all. Nothing too controversial, no ringers, no older brothers, no win at all costs. From a BOTC perspective it's a little disappointing as there is really nothing to see here, other than the person who claimed there was an older brother in cage should have some accountability.

As we discussed earlier today, we have been given the identity of the goalie and have been satisfied that the age requirements are all proper. At this point, BOTC will be halting any further discussion of the age issues in this match. No accusers have produced proper documentation while those defending have supplied us with credible details.

Lacrosse's loose rostering procedures is at the root of much of this discussion and certainly provides the genesis of the age questions. The fact that a roster can change from week-to-week in a league environment just makes no sense to us.

As stated earlier today, BOTC can and did research the issue and we are satisfied that the information we have in hand is credible. We are convinced that our original posters claiming "foul" were not properly informed.

BOTC has been provided information today that documents that the age questions raised here are incorrect. We have been told that the keeper in question is a twin to another player on the team which could have certainly led to the conclusion of being an older brother.

As for the issue with the coach being on the field, that should be taken to the league organizing body. Regarding the football points, if you believed that story to be true, it was a situation that an "adult" would have handled six months ago during the football season.

This topic is now closed.

why was the coaches last name able to be posted???? dont you block names??

Please register and familiarize yourself with our Board Rules.

For the record I seem to remember a GC mom with a pretty big mouth, and no one from either team was cursing. your recollection is not 100%.... And no I'm not from either town in case you were wondering and yes I saw it all.

Call it correct. You lost. Your goalie gave up too many. No big deal.

Your right... We lost to a low rate team.... No biggie it won't happen again... And as far as MY GOALIE, ur taking that someplace you don't wanna go... But of coarse you gc adults like to stomp on kids, you must learn that from your coach.

Was not at game not from either town, have been amused reading the Thread.However, if you want to make a negative comment about a Goalie especially an 8 year old you have problems. Anyone who is willing to stand in the cage at any age should be given Credit no matter what the out come is.

Yes A Goalies' DAD

There is an old adage that the goalie can only give up what the defense failed to protect. The defense gives up what the midfielders allowed to slip down field. The midfielders let players slip through since the offensive attack could not hold the ball.

Your goalie is your last line of defense, not the first or only.

BOTC agrees. One thing to think about is that eight year olds rarely want to be the goalie unless you have that rare breed individual that thrives in the role. At these younger ages, everyone should get a taste of every field position - including goalie.

Once many parents see their child don the mask and head into the cage, the lesson is quickly learned - and often learned for a lifetime. Think about it.

This is one of the really stupid comments on BOTC. You must be the proud father of an 8 year old midfielder who plays no defense b/c you yell take it to the cage and a as result of his lack of defense your goalie gets scored on and you blame the goalie not your son. I am the father of and coach of an 8 year old PAL player, we have the kids play all positions and we NEVER blame the goalie for a lost game. If we get ourscored its b/c there was a breakdown on our defense. Any 8 year old that steps into cage should be appluaded. B/c you seem like a tough guy let me break it down in terms you would understand, not-for-nuthin but thats why the kids "get their goalie" after a game.

As a parent of a kid who plays lax and baseball (yes, there are a few who can do both), I find it hilarious that Franklin Square parents are running around pointing fingers and crying foul. Even more amusing that these accusations turned out to be unfounded.

Franklin Square has been involved in cheating scandals in district baseball for years. Older kids playing, kids from outside their boundaries, etc. Ask any coach who has fielded a team in District 29 ...

No wonder they see imaginary transgressions by everyone else!

This is lacrosse not baseball, we dont care abot FS and baseball. Stick to the topic.

I recall Gc coach saying FS did a good job and so did the goalie.
So the issue is the truth , not FS and the great kids at FS and GC
Stop talk about the GC coach, FS goalie making it personal.
The only person wronged here is the GC coach.
He played he correct team , and was lied about, that the only issue,
So FS goalie mom stop it already, your son played great and all the boys did, we all ready discover , it was his team , kid was 8 ,

On the Pro Player Tournament thread there's a post from a couple of days ago about a FS team getting three unsportsmanlike conduct penalties in the same game ... apparently two due to the parents' behavior.

What's the deal with FS?

Lets leave all FS parents out and all GC parents out , and all kids. Our town will play together for a long time, no one has to like each other but we should respect each other. No one wins here, lets not teach or kids hate!!!!! Someday they might be roommates in college or even get married.

Ok, let's stick to lacrosse. Check out the Franklin Square lacrosse website. Go to the 5th grade girls team. 3 girls listed are from Garden City. It was 5 or 6 girls from Garden City a few weeks ago but I guess a few decided to leave. Under "yr" they actually have "GC guest". I am not calling them cheaters but I would think most on this forum would find this pretty strange. Maybe there is a perfectly good explanation for this. If so, I'd like to hear it. I wonder if they are on the Franklin Square PAL roster and listed by their correct address/town. I wonder if the proper PAL rules were followed for having girls from other towns play on the team. I wonder if that coach brings his PAL roster to the games and let's the other coach know that he has girls from another town on his team. I wonder. Cage, you can check this out for yourself before posting this. In fact, I'd like you check it out before posting this.

Also negative comments on Syosset Shootout thread. Seems there is a pattern and FS parents/coaches need to tone it down.

The point of the comment was to the parent who "calls it like she sees it" Then call it correct you lost fair and square.

I don't think anybody should make judgments without having actual facts. Point being one of the parents at the pro player FS game was screaming because his son was on the ground hurt from a accidental throat check and he was trying to get the refs attention and was upset - Which after this occurred, both the ref apologized to him and said they would be the same way of it was their son (which you seem to have left out of your comment) I imagine most of us would react the same way at first.

I will admit at times we all get caught up in the competitive part of the game, there is nothing wrong with it. It's the fact that what ever you do makes print and it could be simply because you win or lose a game, we dot know each other personally but are fast to judge.

It's a shame that everything good bad or indifferent gets posted on this website for all to see, comment or judge. We are all adults and should be focusing our attention on the safety and happiness of our families and not a BS lax game.

losing fair and square is fair game in my book. insinuating that the 8 year golaie gave up too many is foolishness. Real simple (in my opionion), at 8 years old the goalie should catch anything thrown in the air from 15 or so feet out, should stop a good portion of bounce shots from similar distance and should not be expected to stop anything shot within 8-10 feet of the goal unless it hits him. As a coach, we are thankful to have a kid willing to play goalie at all and if he is a kid with decent stick skill we are crazy happy

Starts with the coach and trickles down to parents and kids.

I dont think it is all FS parents, its one or two, just like every town. I have never even heard of the web page until a few days ago. Seems like the only people who use it , use it for hate. Most comments are negative and easy to hide behind anonymous. Just like the start of the chat. People who are posting the negative comments are most likely the people at the game causing the problems.

Dear Person Who Checks The FS Website,
I am the keeper of the girls site. The 'GC guest' status on the roster was due to girls playing with our Turf Island winter teram where we included girls who did not have a place to play. To make it easy to e-mail everyone for the TI games, I entered them so I could create a group. I forgot to 'de-activate' them so they do not show up on the site or the printable roster that the coach takes to th game. If you need confirmation what we infact have no GC girls playing, please check our submitted PAL roster used to register our team. We have a good relationship with GC and during the summer at St. Pauls, our girls play together. we also have played together with the GC girls in other occasions. Sorry if you all got confused but there is nothing un-toward happening. We are about the girls playing but playing fairly and friendly.

Sounds like someone has way too much time on their hands, trolling around other threads trying to find negative comments made about Franklin Square. Not too mention you're bringing up an age group not even involved in the initial discussion. Every thread on this board has negative comments about many different town teams and travel teams. Syosset, Smithtown, West Islip, Jesters, Igloo, Express etc. So enough with your anonymous trash talking. This is a discussion thread about P.A.L not Franklin Square, however given the way all of you people love to go on and on about us maybe Cage should give us our own thread.

That's great

I am new to the lacrosse world, my son's pal coach told me. That the three coaches kids get to play the whole game in what ever position they want. Is this true.?

A lot of these guys coach because its the only way there kid will be treated like the best talent on the team.

Thank you from a parent of 2 goalies... one that does thrive and has practiced over the years and one at age 8 that plays because no one else wants to and he does not mind... Never easy watching your kid in goal, especially during tough or close games and despite telling the goalie the loss or win is not owned by them alone, the loss of a game usually hurts much more than it should ,especially in a brave heart...

Even if my boys were not goalies, I always give props to anyone in the cage and will do so for the opposing goalie as well.

Our parents, and players have always been awesome to my older son and I hope to find the same experience with my "new" goalie.

Anyone that blames an 8 year old goalie is ridiculously low.

A 12 year old goalie who stops 50% of the shots is considered a good goalie. If an 8 year old stops 20% of the shots I consider him a good goalie. So do the math every 10 shots on goal he's only stopping 2 of them. Give the goalies a break there are only little kids ! Most goals are stopped juts by shear luck before their natural instict at that age is to throw it to him not around him.

If a D1 goalie stops 50% of the shots he's considered a good goalie. 60% and your a legend. It's an offensive game and you're supposed to score goals.
Goalie Dad

6 goalies in D-1 are above 60% and 41 are above 50%.

Call the club board or join a different club if that doesnt get addressed, that’s a ridiculous statement. PAL is a teaching league for all players.

Does anyone have a contact number or such for Kings Park Youth lacrosse ? Thanks

Great points. Prour father of a 13 year old goalie here who started playing goal in PAL because no one else wanted to in 4th grade. As it turned out, he was one of those rare ones born to be a goalie even at that early age. The reflexes were there, but of course the instincts other than to come out and hit some kid on the crease weren't. That took time and training and coaching, maturity, nothing more. So now, at the ripe old age of 13, he has learned to stay in the cage unless he has to, he tracks the ball, plays the stick and even more, controls the defense which is were most goalies do not get to when they are developing. he has always saved more then 60% of the shots, but accoridng to all the expert parents on our teams, any shot taken he should have saved of course. So anyone who critiques a goalie at the age of 8 or 9 are uneducated about the difficulties of the position and to be honest, its a lonely role for these kids as well because u r the hero and the goat all the time.

Watching my two play this game for years, from 3rd grade through JV. Would not want either of them to play goalie, hardest position on the field with every goal being judged.

Face offs also a stressful job, one kid wins, it means the other lost...even if a kid is winning 70%, that means he is lossing 30% of the time...

No other position on the field is judged as clearly by objective criteria--as goilie and F/O.

And then after all that, the kid standing next to the cage (at the early levels 3, 4, 5, and 6th grade) get all the glory for scoring...

Enjoy your time at the young levels, it gets even more competitive as you hit JV and everone thinks thier kid is in line for signing to some D-1 college in 10th grade...

At 8 years old the goalie should not be EXPECTED to stop anything yet. He needs to be taught the angles and all the other skills involved with the position. As he gets more experience then he can be expected to make certain saves. Not when he is just starting in the position in 3rd grade.

Enough with the 8 year old goalie. It was so last week.

Was at a tryout for one if the major programs years back. Heard one of the well known coaches telling the goalies that "they are supposed to score on you" and any save they made is taken as a bonus. I was impressed with the compassion he took for the position and the quotes and attitude i use with my guys today.

We should all remember that PAL is really about learning and fun at the early age and even as they get older. My son is a 13 year old goalie, plays on an "A" travel team, as well as the middle school team and is doing PAL because he loves the game.
But he doesn't even play the cage on the PAL team. he boucnes around, pays attack, middie, some defense because he loves the game so much and what playing cage in a PAL game doesn't prove anything for his abilities or his game.
Point is, especially in a PAL environment, parents need to seriously take a step back and remind themselves it is PAL!

7th grade PAL is not that competetive. 6the grade A division is all loaded with quality town teams. So that statement isn't so true at all age levels.

Most good 7/8th grade boys dont play PAL.. They play 5 days/week for school and probably 1 practice/week with their club. Why would any of them play on a PAL team on Sunday. I know this sounds CRAZY but the boys dont need to play 7 days/week!!!!!!

Pretty big over generalization don't you think? Our PAL team has a lot of great players that are on very competitive club teams and play for middle school teams. Every kid in the world is different and some actually enjoy playing most days of the week. Don't speak for everyone

Every 7 and 8th grade boy that is on the middle school lax team in my town plays PAL this year! It is another chance for them to play with there friends since come summer they are all split up.

my guy plays 7th grade travel, on a known and solid "A" team, plays middle school ball and is playing PAL to play with friends because they all love the game. He plays a different position on PAL vs. travel/school ball and just has fun.
And the games are very competitive. His team played a team this weekend i believe from Locust Valley and it was a competitive game. You had boys on both teams who are more advanced and serious like my son on both teams mixed with lesser players but they were all there to enjoy the game. They are 13. If they love the sport, they should play all the time.

I don't know where you people are from ,but to have you 7 th grade solid A team son play all different positions is like a show off. Some real lacrosse towns don't have a 7th grade A division team.

I am the guy who wrote about the son on the 7th grade solid "A" team. I wasn't bragging. I meant the point more so as he plays different positions because he loves the game. He in no way plays other positions at the level he plays his primary role on travel and school ball. Not even close. Taken in the wrong context. He just does it because he enjoys the game so much and that is the extent of it. It's wasn't meant to show off at all and trust me when i say he looks like any other kid on the field in PAL, nothing impressive at all. Just being a kid and playing the game.

I guess I agree that PAL drops off after 6th grade, but that is a function of town lacrosse organizations and not the PAL. Our town has no PAL teams after 6th grade. My son plays middle school and travel ... he'd want to play town/PAL too, but it isn't an option.

I wanted to compliment the North Shore PAL on their much appreciated display of sportsmanship and class.
RVC 4th G PAL played at NS on Mothers Day and the NS organization provided a rose for each of OUR player's mothers. We usually read negative stories on BOTC and just wanted to show our appreciation to this classy organization.

same with jericho boys 3/4 who provided roses for not only the mothers of their own team but also for the mothers of the team they played, Elwood. very classy.

Same for Northport 7th, although the game was marred by a fight a the end. They beat Malverne 9-0 and with only 1 ref, things got a little chippy and out of hand.

So with the season almost over who was the class of each grade level.

If you prefer we only ask this for 5th and above since they are only supposed to have the "a" divisions then so be it.

You people are scary. What a first impression...

Who's kidding who. They all have A teams . Even at 3rd grade

In 5th grade the best teams we have played are Garden City, Manhasset, West Islip, and Huntington.

In 5th grade the best teams we have played are Garden City, Manhasset, West Islip, and Huntington.

Girls or Boys ?

Boys Division 1

Who are the best in the 4th grade division?

Who are the Best teams in the 2nd grade Division?

seriously? I hope not. The 2nd grade division is comprised of first and second graders (6 and 7 year olds). This is 100% developmental with coaches on the fields and refs stopping the games to explain rules to the kids. They play 8v8 on small fields. 90% of the kids have never even played before. Hopefully you were just kidding.

I heard that the Tutor Time 2028's are solid..they're getting a lot of looks

Seriously? wanting to know who the best teams are in the 2nd grade PAL? Who cares - the question should be who are the 2nd grade teams that had the most fun and learned the most this year to come back next year...

Does anyone know when the schedule will come of for the festival on June 9th?

Coaches got the schedule for girls yesterday.

Any word on the boys schedule?

It was sent yesterday to the directors of each town.

Anyone have the boys festival schedule to share?

Does anyone have a 2014 'updated' copy of the Nassau County PAL Lacrosse Rules and Regulations?? - The only one available on their website is from 2011 - I heard there may me some new rule changes - Thanks in advance

PAL coaches have access to it on horizonwebref. 2014 version

BOTC has received a copy of the rules for the Nassau PAL League for the Spring 2014 season and we have posted that information on the Rules and Regulations Forum.

Nassau PAL Rules - Spring 2014