On the soccer front, Long Island is a fairly organized structure with the Long Island Junior Soccer League at the center of club/team/player activies and a range of higher leagues that are available through LOL's parent structure. Some would complain that the LOL is too restrictive in regulating teams and players resulting in a less-than-friendly player environment.
The Long Island Lacrosse scene however is less organized at the league level yielding more scheduling power to the individual clubs and thereby increasing their control over the players at a club level. Could Long Island benefit from an organized lacrosse league that covers both Nassau and Suffolk?
Does the lack of a central league in lacrosse lead to more duplication of effort which in turns represents higher costs to the players and their families?
What are your thoughts on the Long Island LAX league scene? BOTC welcomes your views.
The Long Island Lacrosse League runs a summer league between early July and end August for both boys and girls age groups (third grade to junior varsity). Generally the games are two 25 minute periods. Four age groups - 3rd/4th grade, 5th/6th grade, 7th/8th grade, and JV. There has to be a way to bring a Fall league to Long Island to avoid the tournament costs.
I wasn't aware of a summer league for lacrosse. My daughter playes in the spring and I thought that ended after 6th grade.. I'd much prefer a summer league as opposed to one of the "elite" clubs. Where can I get more info.?
My daughter did this for one summer and it was great. You have to have a team coach as well as players who are willing to do make this commitment. In all the years my daughter played with the town PAL team, only 1 coach told us about this and wanted to do it. I think they also run an indoor winter league. Your daughter can join as an independent player if her town team doesn't play. I think you might also be able to do this with the summer league. I think this site is great, because I really had to ask around to find this information out.
I really don't see the need to have a Long Island Lacrosse league with PAL doing what I feel is a pretty good job for spring Lacrosse. PAL includes both Nassau and Sufoul counties and I have found the refing to be good overall.
I wasn't aware of a summer league for lacrosse. My daughter playes in the spring and I thought that ended after 6th grade.. I'd much prefer a summer league as opposed to one of the "elite" clubs. Where can I get more info.?
BOTC Industries research has led us to the Long Island Lacrosse League web site. There you will find details about boys/girls leagues, particularly during the summer months, for a variety of age groups. BOTC Industries also noted a boys league in the Fall season although the number of age groups is smaller.
Long Island Lacrosse League WebsiteAsking questions is key and there is a Q&A on the website that seems to cover many of the basics.
Lacrosse League Questions and AnswersPart of the mission of BOTC is to bring some light to the somewhat cloudy and club based lacrosse market for the benefit of our readers. We are hoping that some of the Long Island organizations reach out to us here on BOTC to share information with the Long Island LAX community.
To answer the question "Where do I go to get more information?", the answer is simple : come to Back of the Cage and we will establish this site as the portal for all answers related to lacrosse!
Do the lax clubs that are mentioned on this board actually play each other here on LI? Do the Yellow Jackets ever play a league or scrimmage game against the Express for example?
The clubs that are mentioned in this forum and many others play each other in Tournaments. These teams are basically tournament teams whose players come together from other town and school teams to play in summer tournaments
The youth of Long Island would benefit if there was a single organization administering all the leagues and tournaments. PAL tries to do this in the Spring but there are a multitude of other leagues, tournaments and travel clubs all vying for lacrosse dollars being spent in what is now a year round sport.
With all these separate entities managing the experience for the kids we see rules change, competition change and the quality of officiating can vary greatly.
Let them create 3 divisions for all age groups –developmental (1-2 years experience), competitive((3+ years) and Elite (3+ years) and promote it that way. Kids want to play so find a way to match kids of similar talent against one another. Make all kids get US Lacrosse # when they begin the sport, require all towns/travel teams register with US Lacrosse. Their numbers are required on all subsequent registrations for any youth lacrosse tournament, camp, league etc. That would give the organizers the ability to ensure kids of similar talent are matched.
You’d see competitive lacrosse on all levels. You would no longer see “travel team “X” playing in a novice/developmental town league tournament masquerading as a team from Town Y throttling kids with their matching helmets and sticks so they can feel success because when this very same travel team enters tournaments with Elite competition, the outcome is usually different.
People would understand what to expect when registering, things could be easily promoted and most importantly, a single entity could manage and promote all of these opportunities to families. The kids benefit, the organizers benefit, the facility owners and operators benefit. Just something to consider.
Isn't it about time that a true all-Long Island Lacrosse League get established rather than these small town leagues that cannot handle top level elite clubs? Seriously, the best group that has come forward to establish this type of league is Back of the Cage! No team involvement, but a good organization to build on ... what do you think CageSage? Interested in having BOTC run a cross-Long Island league?
The youth of Long Island would benefit if there was a single organization administering all the leagues and tournaments. PAL tries to do this in the Spring but there are a multitude of other leagues, tournaments and travel clubs all vying for lacrosse dollars being spent in what is now a year round sport.
With all these separate entities managing the experience for the kids we see rules change, competition change and the quality of officiating can vary greatly.
Let them create 3 divisions for all age groups –developmental (1-2 years experience), competitive((3+ years) and Elite (3+ years) and promote it that way. Kids want to play so find a way to match kids of similar talent against one another. Make all kids get US Lacrosse # when they begin the sport, require all towns/travel teams register with US Lacrosse. Their numbers are required on all subsequent registrations for any youth lacrosse tournament, camp, league etc. That would give the organizers the ability to ensure kids of similar talent are matched.
You’d see competitive lacrosse on all levels. You would no longer see “travel team “X” playing in a novice/developmental town league tournament masquerading as a team from Town Y throttling kids with their matching helmets and sticks so they can feel success because when this very same travel team enters tournaments with Elite competition, the outcome is usually different.
People would understand what to expect when registering, things could be easily promoted and most importantly, a single entity could manage and promote all of these opportunities to families. The kids benefit, the organizers benefit, the facility owners and operators benefit. Just something to consider.
Excellent post. Well thought out concept. Let's do it. It would be great. Let parents and children who are all about scholarships play on the YJ's and offer this opportunity to the masses.
is there a fall team for juniors ?
The youth of Long Island would benefit if there was a single organization administering all the leagues and tournaments. PAL tries to do this in the Spring but there are a multitude of other leagues, tournaments and travel clubs all vying for lacrosse dollars being spent in what is now a year round sport.
With all these separate entities managing the experience for the kids we see rules change, competition change and the quality of officiating can vary greatly.
Let them create 3 divisions for all age groups –developmental (1-2 years experience), competitive((3+ years) and Elite (3+ years) and promote it that way. Kids want to play so find a way to match kids of similar talent against one another. Make all kids get US Lacrosse # when they begin the sport, require all towns/travel teams register with US Lacrosse. Their numbers are required on all subsequent registrations for any youth lacrosse tournament, camp, league etc. That would give the organizers the ability to ensure kids of similar talent are matched.
You’d see competitive lacrosse on all levels. You would no longer see “travel team “X” playing in a novice/developmental town league tournament masquerading as a team from Town Y throttling kids with their matching helmets and sticks so they can feel success because when this very same travel team enters tournaments with Elite competition, the outcome is usually different.
People would understand what to expect when registering, things could be easily promoted and most importantly, a single entity could manage and promote all of these opportunities to families. The kids benefit, the organizers benefit, the facility owners and operators benefit. Just something to consider.
Excellent post. Well thought out concept. Let's do it. It would be great. Let parents and children who are all about scholarships play on the YJ's and offer this opportunity to the masses.
That is a great idea. It should be run as similar to [lacrosse] as possible, with divisions based on skill level, and their own picture ID cards, with DOB, renewed each year, with birth certificates required, to get the card (vs. US Lax card, which you can get any age you want, no picture ID, you can use someone else's, etc). The ref can check the kids in before each game, like soccer. Only takes a few mins, including any rules clarifications, before each game.
If we are talking about a summer club league, it sounds like a great idea. In my experience, the PAL spring league does a pretty good job of providing opportunities for town teams. However, it would be a huge bonus to have a summer weeknight league (with playoffs) for the club teams. Maybe then we could stop driving so far away to play teams from our own backyards!
The youth of Long Island would benefit if there was a single organization administering all the leagues and tournaments. PAL tries to do this in the Spring but there are a multitude of other leagues, tournaments and travel clubs all vying for lacrosse dollars being spent in what is now a year round sport.
With all these separate entities managing the experience for the kids we see rules change, competition change and the quality of officiating can vary greatly.
Let them create 3 divisions for all age groups –developmental (1-2 years experience), competitive((3+ years) and Elite (3+ years) and promote it that way. Kids want to play so find a way to match kids of similar talent against one another. Make all kids get US Lacrosse # when they begin the sport, require all towns/travel teams register with US Lacrosse. Their numbers are required on all subsequent registrations for any youth lacrosse tournament, camp, league etc. That would give the organizers the ability to ensure kids of similar talent are matched.
You’d see competitive lacrosse on all levels. You would no longer see “travel team “X” playing in a novice/developmental town league tournament masquerading as a team from Town Y throttling kids with their matching helmets and sticks so they can feel success because when this very same travel team enters tournaments with Elite competition, the outcome is usually different.
People would understand what to expect when registering, things could be easily promoted and most importantly, a single entity could manage and promote all of these opportunities to families. The kids benefit, the organizers benefit, the facility owners and operators benefit. Just something to consider.
Excellent post. Well thought out concept. Let's do it. It would be great. Let parents and children who are all about scholarships play on the YJ's and offer this opportunity to the masses.
That is a great idea. It should be run as similar to [lacrosse] as possible, with divisions based on skill level, and their own picture ID cards, with DOB, renewed each year, with birth certificates required, to get the card (vs. US Lax card, which you can get any age you want, no picture ID, you can use someone else's, etc). The ref can check the kids in before each game, like soccer. Only takes a few mins, including any rules clarifications, before each game.
U based, keep an up to date website, have standings and a playoff, and answer emails. Do all that for a reasonable cost and you'll be all set. I would rather play less tournaments and play 2 or 3 games a week in a league. Too many tournaments. I would prefer the league and play in select tournaments. Get enough teams and you may attract a corporate sponsor. In the end, if it is well organized the league will be successful.
Who will be running the league and where will the games be played?
Who will be running the league and where will the games be played?
The games will be played on Long Island and the person heading up the "sanctioned" league will be sending out invites to clubs to explain what he plans and to get input from everyone...nothing set in stone I'm told. The meeting is expected to take place at a hotel on Island in September...we'll let you know what's happening as we get the info.
Who will be running the league and where will the games be played?
The games will be played on Long Island and the person heading up the "sanctioned" league will be sending out invites to clubs to explain what he plans and to get input from everyone...nothing set in stone I'm told. The meeting is expected to take place at a hotel on Island in September...we'll let you know what's happening as we get the info.
Awesome, and long overdue!
age groups for this league?
It already exists. There's a fall league run by the same guys who do the greenport shoot out. They play at farmingdale and also have a summer league and indoor winter. The website is already listed in this thread. The leagues and that tournament are some of the most economical that you can find. Problem with getting the bigger clubs to play in it is THEY AREN'T REAPING THE BENEFITS. That's why we now have a oyster bay fall league for probably twice the cost. Don't forget the rock star winter league which was complained about constantly on here.
As long as it's not Pappas or Channy running it.
It already exists. There's a fall league run by the same guys who do the greenport shoot out. They play at farmingdale and also have a summer league and indoor winter. The website is already listed in this thread. The leagues and that tournament are some of the most economical that you can find. Problem with getting the bigger clubs to play in it is THEY AREN'T REAPING THE BENEFITS. That's why we now have a oyster bay fall league for probably twice the cost. Don't forget the rock star winter league which was complained about constantly on here.
Thought we were talking about one all encompassing league, like L.I. Junior Soccer
As long as it's not Pappas or Channy running it.
It is not a lacrosse guy that will head up this league. he has no dog in the hunt, which is why it should be excellent...Like BOTC he will have no affiliation with any club, nor will he run tournaments. He will just administer a league along with his advisory board, which will be made up of the member clubs who will vote for the board members.
My bet is gary grossman, he is making a fortune with his soccer model and lacrosse parents spend way more money and are even crazier than soccer parents. Lacrosse tournaments can be up to 3 times more expensive than soccer and club teams can be 6 times or more than travel soccer teams. It will be like printing money!!
Is this a League by Jake .... Li jake steinberg lacrosse
As long as it's not Pappas or Channy running it.
It is not a lacrosse guy that will head up this league. he has no dog in the hunt, which is why it should be excellent...Like BOTC he will have no affiliation with any club, nor will he run tournaments. He will just administer a league along with his advisory board, which will be made up of the member clubs who will vote for the board members.
He should have a parent advisory board as well. Just to solicit feedback. This league can really be something special if done right. Less tournaments and more meaningful games.
When can you share more information about the league or when can the owner actually put some real information on their website?
I think it will be September...
Trying to understand- is this in addition to PAL run league and club run tournaments? Or- is the goal for them to all be on board together? Or- is this for a different option for our kids- rather than playing club they can join this league? Just trying to understand the possible goals of the league. Also wondering- is this like the various leagues I read about in the Maryland forum? Thanks.
It will mean the end of PAL
I think it will be September...
Sounds like botc is getting into the lax business....
I have told you all that I know, perhaps with the exception that is already sanctioned, which means that every player will be insured and the fields that the games are played on will be able to offer a Certificate of Liability Insurance in the amount of at least 1 million dollars.
When I find out more I will share it with everyone.
www.[lacrosse].com is NOT the league's website....the league's website has not been built yet.
Ok.. And not Jake Steinberg.. Body by Jake?
Isn't this for Club teams? Town teams will still play in PAL, correct?
Isn't this for Club teams? Town teams will still play in PAL, correct?
I can't see TG playing YJ playing 91 playing Liberty etc Some think they are better than others and won't share a field with these other clubs on a weekly basis.
PREMISE: This is a transparent league that offers divisions that are recreational (PAL-like), divisions that are more competitive, divisions with travel teams, and run by an independent.
My thoughts: It would be awesome….but it must unite the entire LI lax community and it must benefit everyone involved.
If it’s only a league for travel/elite teams, it fails to serve the LI community.
I wish this attempt occurred earlier...at least for the age groups of my children.
Now, if you are the individual who is starting this new league, please take the following scenario under consideration, as I think it pertains to many towns here on the island:
A few of our local cronies who helped ‘run the show’ have split up this community, and now almost all families are forced to look elsewhere. Some great players/families want no part of travel lax. They wish for better options. Other families felt forced to join travel lax and are now regrettably pulled into the expensive travel lax machine. They wish for better options. Other families love travel lax but do not like the recreational scenario—because the town organization won’t make A/B teams, or make it very difficult to create a select tournament team, because the cronies want to control everything. Those families wish for better options.
Unfortunately, our kids, who just want to play together with talented friends in their age group/grade, may only play together in the MS or HS seasons only. Now there's tension from the different family factions on the sidelines looking for where they fit in an imaginary pecking order, all while the kids suffer throughout the process. It’s just wrong.
With tryouts 2-3 weeks away for travel, more families from all over LI are getting sucked into the vortex, and another nail is in the coffin for those who truly wish their community could develop together, cost effectively, in a league that benefits everyone of all levels.
I truly wish this league success BUT hope it benefits everyone in future generations. I really do.
Next year is definitely too late to mend the mess here. It will take 4-5 years to to correct itself, BUT ONLY IF the new lax kindergarten families can be educated. It sucks for those of us in it. Chances are the cronies will pass the power down to younger cronies, and so on…But if the process of a new league takes 4-5 years in order to clean up the old mess, and it's a league that can benefit everyone, fantastic. It’s worth it.
Who knows, maybe it will help those towns that can't decide on A/B teams...the town organization can now have a competitive offering with tryouts, and a recreational offering (PAL). But that may open a can of worms with any by-laws of PAL:…
...Any game not on the official schedule or any game played with a NON-P.A.L. Youth Lacrosse League will be considered a NON-SANCTIONED game. The team and or community playing a non- sanctioned game will assume all responsibility and liability for its players, coaches, spectators and officials...
...NO P.A.L. Lacrosse COACH will be permitted to coach in the P.A.L. spring youth lacrosse league if he or she is coaching in any other youth lacrosse league playing with NON-SANCTIONED N.Y. State or P.A.L. RULES DURING the spring. If so, the coach in question would have to sign a disclaimer. A Team participating in another league can not enter that team in the P.A.L. as a full team. That team must be broken up. This has always been a rule of the P.A.L….
In conclusion, if the organization for ‘Your Town' PAL sticks with PAL and not this new league, communities will be broken more, because some parents or hotbeds will create a new organization to play in this new sanctioned league…great, just what we need…two sets of cronies….if you think the back stabbing and nastiness was too much already, think about the fighting over field space in the town now!
THIS LEAGUE MUST UNITE EVERYONE, OR IT WILL CREATE A RIFT MUCH LARGER THAN THE ONE THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS.
Sanctioned by Who? US Lacrosse?
Sanctioned by Who? US Lacrosse?
Nope
PREMISE: This is a transparent league that offers divisions that are recreational (PAL-like), divisions that are more competitive, divisions with travel teams, and run by an independent.
My thoughts: It would be awesome….but it must unite the entire LI lax community and it must benefit everyone involved.
If it’s only a league for travel/elite teams, it fails to serve the LI community.
I wish this attempt occurred earlier...at least for the age groups of my children.
Now, if you are the individual who is starting this new league, please take the following scenario under consideration, as I think it pertains to many towns here on the island:
A few of our local cronies who helped ‘run the show’ have split up this community, and now almost all families are forced to look elsewhere. Some great players/families want no part of travel lax. They wish for better options. Other families felt forced to join travel lax and are now regrettably pulled into the expensive travel lax machine. They wish for better options. Other families love travel lax but do not like the recreational scenario—because the town organization won’t make A/B teams, or make it very difficult to create a select tournament team, because the cronies want to control everything. Those families wish for better options.
Unfortunately, our kids, who just want to play together with talented friends in their age group/grade, may only play together in the MS or HS seasons only. Now there's tension from the different family factions on the sidelines looking for where they fit in an imaginary pecking order, all while the kids suffer throughout the process. It’s just wrong.
With tryouts 2-3 weeks away for travel, more families from all over LI are getting sucked into the vortex, and another nail is in the coffin for those who truly wish their community could develop together, cost effectively, in a league that benefits everyone of all levels.
I truly wish this league success BUT hope it benefits everyone in future generations. I really do.
Next year is definitely too late to mend the mess here. It will take 4-5 years to to correct itself, BUT ONLY IF the new lax kindergarten families can be educated. It sucks for those of us in it. Chances are the cronies will pass the power down to younger cronies, and so on…But if the process of a new league takes 4-5 years in order to clean up the old mess, and it's a league that can benefit everyone, fantastic. It’s worth it.
Who knows, maybe it will help those towns that can't decide on A/B teams...the town organization can now have a competitive offering with tryouts, and a recreational offering (PAL). But that may open a can of worms with any by-laws of PAL:…
...Any game not on the official schedule or any game played with a NON-P.A.L. Youth Lacrosse League will be considered a NON-SANCTIONED game. The team and or community playing a non- sanctioned game will assume all responsibility and liability for its players, coaches, spectators and officials...
...NO P.A.L. Lacrosse COACH will be permitted to coach in the P.A.L. spring youth lacrosse league if he or she is coaching in any other youth lacrosse league playing with NON-SANCTIONED N.Y. State or P.A.L. RULES DURING the spring. If so, the coach in question would have to sign a disclaimer. A Team participating in another league can not enter that team in the P.A.L. as a full team. That team must be broken up. This has always been a rule of the P.A.L….
In conclusion, if the organization for ‘Your Town' PAL sticks with PAL and not this new league, communities will be broken more, because some parents or hotbeds will create a new organization to play in this new sanctioned league…great, just what we need…two sets of cronies….if you think the back stabbing and nastiness was too much already, think about the fighting over field space in the town now!
THIS LEAGUE MUST UNITE EVERYONE, OR IT WILL CREATE A RIFT MUCH LARGER THAN THE ONE THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS.
I think these guys got tired of seeing how things were run by the people handling PAL. it lead to winter leagues and closeness with officials..Just a guess on my end I don't know for sure so purely speculation on my end.
I like the PAL model in the Spring. I might be old fashion but I still like the PAL structure of teams playing other towns. Maybe add a PAL tournament at the end of the season based on ability to have a champion. Just a thought.
If you take away the travel kids from PAL teams what are you left with? How do towns develop lacrosse programs for the high school.
Yes a club team league would be great for the clubs and elite players...
Again I might be old fashion but I am for developing teams for the high school program and I think PAL adds to that development in the Spring. Let the travel clubs have from June to August!
PAL is not perfect but it is not bad either. Go back to 8 games and a tournament at the end of the season based on your ability and season results and have mini round robin championship.
What do you think if this was a one stop shop for all types of lax with:
Development Divisions
Town Divisions A/B
Travel Divisions
With the option to participate in 3 seasons...Modified Shorter Fall Season. Winter Indoor. Typical Spring but with playoffs and championship.
It could be a turnkey solution that helps develop towns, but offers local travel teams a better arena to play each other.
What do you think if this was a one stop shop for all types of lax with:
Development Divisions
Town Divisions A/B
Travel Divisions
With the option to participate in 3 seasons...Modified Shorter Fall Season. Winter Indoor. Typical Spring but with playoffs and championship.
It could be a turnkey solution that helps develop towns, but offers local travel teams a better arena to play each other.
:-)
It will just need a more legitimate name for the town programs and lax community to buy into. A better one that's on the site.
Long Island Just Say Lacrosse is a little soft in my opinion. If a LI league is created, they better come up with a name that is strong - just like our LI players.
It needs something like USBOXLA, MLL, NPYLL....or maybe the Long Island Metropolitan Lacrosse League - LIMLL - a division of US Lacrosse.
...with options for grade based (for towns divisions) or US Lax based rules (age based for travel). It will help assuage the current debate with the US Lax rules regarding the national 2 year age spread rule and open the doors for more NY/LI travel teams to follow suit. Then when the nation goes to 1 yr spread in years to come, it's an easy adaptation for LI/NY.
Take away the stigma. Level the playing field.
Just sayin'.
Long Island Just Say Lacrosse is a little soft in my opinion. If a LI league is created, they better come up with a name that is strong - just like our LI players.
I think you'll your softness will change to hardness....you will not be dealing with an amateur. He did want to name the league, "Kick-[lacrosse] Bikers Lacrosse", but I suggested he soften it.
What happens when the town team of 18 girls the 4 best girls decide to plau for their yj and tg teams and 2 others decide to play for their title xi team. Now the towm team is left with 12 girls and no goalie. No what? Leave the spring to pal?
Here is my thoughts on youth town sports. Teach fundamentals and love of the game. Be apart of the local school program as a feeder program so the players can have the best possible experience in high school and girls can grow up playing together and have fun. Some times adults can feally really ruin things.
Leave pal alone. it is a good program. there is no need for an additional spring league.
What happens when the town team of 18 girls the 4 best girls decide to plau for their yj and tg teams and 2 others decide to play for their title xi team. Now the towm team is left with 12 girls and no goalie. No what? Leave the spring to pal?
Here is my thoughts on youth town sports. Teach fundamentals and love of the game. Be apart of the local school program as a feeder program so the players can have the best possible experience in high school and girls can grow up playing together and have fun. Some times adults can feally really ruin things.
Leave pal alone. it is a good program. there is no need for an additional spring league.
PAL is a waste of time
What happens when the town team of 18 girls the 4 best girls decide to plau for their yj and tg teams and 2 others decide to play for their title xi team. Now the towm team is left with 12 girls and no goalie. No what? Leave the spring to pal?
Here is my thoughts on youth town sports. Teach fundamentals and love of the game. Be apart of the local school program as a feeder program so the players can have the best possible experience in high school and girls can grow up playing together and have fun. Some times adults can feally really ruin things.
Leave pal alone. it is a good program. there is no need for an additional spring league.
PAL is a waste of time
Only because it is so poorly run. But I agree I have 2022er and only wants to play travel.
What happens when the town team of 18 girls the 4 best girls decide to plau for their yj and tg teams and 2 others decide to play for their title xi team. Now the towm team is left with 12 girls and no goalie. No what? Leave the spring to pal?
Here is my thoughts on youth town sports. Teach fundamentals and love of the game. Be apart of the local school program as a feeder program so the players can have the best possible experience in high school and girls can grow up playing together and have fun. Some times adults can feally really ruin things.
Leave pal alone. it is a good program. there is no need for an additional spring league.
PAL is a waste of time
At least they now allow for an A division in 5th and 6th grades. Of course you must live in a town whose PAL director will allow the teams to be split up as A and B teams in those grades as well. Luckily our town allows it and it and we had a league with the A teams from Manhasset, C.S.H., Massapequa, Northport, Garden City, S.W.R. etc. It was really good competition for the teams.
Supply and Demand people... Long Island parents are shelling out 10-20 thousand dollars or more per kid on travel lacrosse. Travel teams are now starting in first grade. Money is no object to parents so for those who say let them play with their friends in Pal why are you driving to Maryland to play an absolutely meaningless lacrosse game on the weekend? He is going to make a fortune!!!
The only problem I see is that there are zero age rules in lacrosse, Kids play up at the big tournaments, kids are held back and play down just to win tournaments. I call it cheating but lacrosse crazies don't see it that way. Structured rosters with picture playing cards is going to be the #1 challenge.
What happens when the town team of 18 girls the 4 best girls decide to plau for their yj and tg teams and 2 others decide to play for their title xi team. Now the towm team is left with 12 girls and no goalie. No what? Leave the spring to pal?
Maybe it will be set up with games on different days of the week. Like baseball. Maybe there will be a moratorium on Sunday...a league that respects at least one day of family time and rest for the kids.
Any updates for this league?
Any updates for this league?
There should have been...let me get back on the guy's case!!
What happens when the town team of 18 girls the 4 best girls decide to plau for their yj and tg teams and 2 others decide to play for their title xi team. Now the towm team is left with 12 girls and no goalie. No what? Leave the spring to pal?
Here is my thoughts on youth town sports. Teach fundamentals and love of the game. Be apart of the local school program as a feeder program so the players can have the best possible experience in high school and girls can grow up playing together and have fun. Some times adults can feally really ruin things.
Leave pal alone. it is a good program. there is no need for an additional spring league.
PAL is a waste of time
Waste of time? It gives opportunity to all and also teaches your little superstar how to be a part of a team with different skill levels, which is something he/she will run into over and over again in life. There are good players that never learn that lesson and others that actually make their teams better. Which one do you want your player to be?
It would be great if the travel teams would settle for June to August, but they see too much money to be made.
Any updates for this league?
There should have been...let me get back on the guy's case!!
Any luck contacting the "guy"
Any updates for this league?
There should have been...let me get back on the guy's case!!
Any luck contacting the "guy"
Did they say when more information will start coming out on this new league? Or are they going to wait until Spring and hope everyone jumps on board?
LI Just Say Lacrosse...Wow, this guy really does not like the LI Junior Soccer League ([lacrosse]) - now he is trying to take their name after setting up a competing Youth Soccer league
LI Just Say Lacrosse...Wow, this guy really does not like the LI Junior Soccer League ([lacrosse]) - now he is trying to take their name after setting up a competing Youth Soccer league
Hey, Cantor Fitzgerald, are stupid or do you just have a reading comprehension problem? Where do you see a anyone is setting up a competitive SOCCER league? I also point out that I own and have always owned [lacrosse].com, and I am free to do with it as I wish, including selling it or leasing it out. If it was that important to the Long Island Junior Soccer League they would have contacted me....now, if want to start an issue about this I am more than willing to take you on, but you, being a punk and posting anonymously tells me exactly what I am dealing with
As far as
trying to take the name, you need to be very clear I own the name [lacrosse].com. One can not take what one owns...
LONG ISLAND JUST SAY LACROSSE ([lacrosse]) information will be forthcoming when the people whose league it is decides when to go public.
And just so we are clear, neither BOTC or myself have any interest in this league whatsoever....now go and do something constructive with yourself in the privacy of your bathroom!!
Any updates for this league?
There should have been...let me get back on the guy's case!!
Any luck contacting the "guy"
Did they say when more information will start coming out on this new league? Or are they going to wait until Spring and hope everyone jumps on board?
My understanding is that an email contact has been set up and right after the Jewish New Year (Rosh Hashanah) some of LI Lax clubs will be invited to an exploratory meeting.
Any updates for this league?
There should have been...let me get back on the guy's case!!
Any luck contacting the "guy"
Did they say when more information will start coming out on this new league? Or are they going to wait until Spring and hope everyone jumps on board?
My understanding is that an email contact has been set up and right after the Jewish New Year (Rosh Hashanah) some of LI Lax clubs will be invited to an exploratory meeting.
Will this league be for girls also?
The league will be made of clubs and teams. In my world boys and girls are equal. I'm 100% confident that girls will be as involved as the boys.
As I mentioned above. I am just a messenger. I'm as interested as all of you to find out how this will work.
For those of you interested in finding out more about how this league expects to work within the lacrosse community you are invited to contact Gary Grossman at
ggrossman@justsaylacrosse.com
Oh boy and now its official , if Gary is running its going to be big and successful.
One of the possible unintended consequences is that this will even further stress soccer teams playing for Gary as most younger kids are playing both sports. Blowing off PAL games is one thing, blowing off a real travel lacrosse league is something else.
Hey Larry
I had a great conversation with Gary as it relates to rolling Connecticut teams in as well. As you are probably aware, CONNY has remained static as far as its mission and so as with LI there is a lack of clarity and organization around a true ADM (American Development Model) for Lax players up thru HS.
Someone posted about the need for a tiered approach. In Connecticut, unless you are from lower Fairfield (Greenwich, Darien, New Canaan, Ridgefield, Wilton, there are a a few others), the lack of true lax culture in your town dictates the very casual approach to the sport.
We have Fall and Summer and do play Box in the Winter - but it is unfortunate that kids who really play the sport have to go backwards and spent 3.5 months in a play date setting with kids that do not work on the game, have an IQ or can even catch and throw on a consistent basis.
The idea's time has come - and I want to thank you guys for jump starting some much needed rational thinking.
Is there anything new to report???
I haven't heard anything, but you may want to contact Gary and see what he is to
Guess this was all just a rumor to shake things up
Guess this was all just a rumor to shake things up
Gary didn't start his soccer league overnight and now has a good chunk of the team pie. I am sure he is doing his homework but in the back of his mind he has to be thinking that this could possibly hurt his soccer league with tons of conflicts which would [lacrosse] off existing coaches.
Part one of your post is accurate. Part two is opinion and I can tell you that you are way off base. There is no connection between soccer and lacrosse that I have ever seen.
Figuring out and understanding the local lacrosse landscape, and then quietly meeting with club owners and town teams, Gary has to figure out what works best for you, the lacrosse community.
Many soccer teams limp through the spring with PAL lacrosse conflicts until travel lacrosse kicks in in June. If there is a formal Lacrosse travel league that takes the place of the recreational PAL tough choices will have to be made on which game to go to when there is a conflict. Our soccer team has about 70% of the kids playing both sports
Many soccer teams limp through the spring with PAL lacrosse conflicts until travel lacrosse kicks in in June. If there is a formal Lacrosse travel league that takes the place of the recreational PAL tough choices will have to be made on which game to go to when there is a conflict. Our soccer team has about 70% of the kids playing both sports
Soccer should be a FALL sport anyway! It's the only sport that requires you to play two season. I never understood that. Stick with fall, and the problem is solved.
Many soccer teams limp through the spring with PAL lacrosse conflicts until travel lacrosse kicks in in June. If there is a formal Lacrosse travel league that takes the place of the recreational PAL tough choices will have to be made on which game to go to when there is a conflict. Our soccer team has about 70% of the kids playing both sports
Soccer should be a FALL sport anyway! It's the only sport that requires you to play two season. I never understood that. Stick with fall, and the problem is solved.
College actually looking at going to both fall and spring with a continuing season.... sorry
Many soccer teams limp through the spring with PAL lacrosse conflicts until travel lacrosse kicks in in June. If there is a formal Lacrosse travel league that takes the place of the recreational PAL tough choices will have to be made on which game to go to when there is a conflict. Our soccer team has about 70% of the kids playing both sports
Soccer should be a FALL sport anyway! It's the only sport that requires you to play two season. I never understood that. Stick with fall, and the problem is solved.
College actually looking at going to both fall and spring with a continuing season.... sorry
how can the NCAA allow that - it is student athlete. Really!
Many soccer teams limp through the spring with PAL lacrosse conflicts until travel lacrosse kicks in in June. If there is a formal Lacrosse travel league that takes the place of the recreational PAL tough choices will have to be made on which game to go to when there is a conflict. Our soccer team has about 70% of the kids playing both sports
Soccer should be a FALL sport anyway! It's the only sport that requires you to play two season. I never understood that. Stick with fall, and the problem is solved.
College actually looking at going to both fall and spring with a continuing season.... sorry
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard! It's bad enough it happens with the youth teams!!
Many soccer teams limp through the spring with PAL lacrosse conflicts until travel lacrosse kicks in in June. If there is a formal Lacrosse travel league that takes the place of the recreational PAL tough choices will have to be made on which game to go to when there is a conflict. Our soccer team has about 70% of the kids playing both sports
Soccer should be a FALL sport anyway! It's the only sport that requires you to play two season. I never understood that. Stick with fall, and the problem is solved.
College actually looking at going to both fall and spring with a continuing season.... sorry
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard! It's bad enough it happens with the youth teams!!
Soccer is for the kids that get cut from football
stop with the soccer league should only play in fall. lacrosse is played every month of the year, and not just one game a weekend. There are leagues in the summer, winter, spring and fall, day and night… and on top of these leagues there are tournaments every weekend, one and two dayers, in and out of state … and the laxers pay their clubs handsomely to play in them. The number of lax games the kids play far exceeds the number of soccer games played in both seasons combined.
In college the lax teams play fall ball before their spring season. It never ends.
stop with the soccer league should only play in fall. lacrosse is played every month of the year, and not just one game a weekend. There are leagues in the summer, winter, spring and fall, day and night… and on top of these leagues there are tournaments every weekend, one and two dayers, in and out of state … and the laxers pay their clubs handsomely to play in them. The number of lax games the kids play far exceeds the number of soccer games played in both seasons combined.
In college the lax teams play fall ball before their spring season. It never ends.
You missed the point. Kids can play lacrosse in just the SPRING, or just the SUMMER, if they want. Everything else is optional. Travel soccer season is fall AND spring. Are there any other sports that require you to play TWO seasons?
COLLEGE SOCCER COACHES WANT TO SPREAD OUT SEASON
The St. Louis University men’s soccer team starts practice Tuesday, plays its first preseason game Saturday against top-ranked Notre Dame and is aiming for a spot in the College Cup in Cary, N.C., where the NCAA champion will be determined Dec. 14.
That’s pretty much the timetable college soccer has run on since the NCAA began sponsoring a championship in the sport in 1959, with the final creeping back a couple of weeks to accommodate a longer postseason. But under a proposal working its way through the college soccer world, that schedule might soon change.
College coaches are pushing a plan to change soccer from a fall sport to a year-round sport, with the championship in June rather than December. If all goes as hoped, the plan could enter the NCAA legislative pipeline in January and, if approved, the 2016 season would become the 2016-17 season. The season would be split, with 15 games played in traditional fall season, and then after a winter break, 10 more games and the postseason in the spring.
“I think it certainly is an interesting time right now for college soccer,” said SLU coach Mike McGinty. “With the success of the World Cup, pro franchises popping up all over the place, the crowds, the TV contracts, a lot is happening right now at a really accelerated rate. lot of people trying to get us to evolve,
Is this [lacrosse] league happening?...been pretty quiet, nothing more on website.
I see that [lacrosse].com is pointing back to backofthenet.. Does that mean the longislandjustsaylacrosse league didn't get off the ground??
Cricket cricket..... Larry???
Sorry. I should have said something back in November...not this Spring...maybe next Spring I'm told. I am just a messenger.