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Discussion thread for community members interested in the Long Island Express including club information, coaching, teams, tournaments, and game play.
On the Express web site, the girls side is showing weekend tournaments on a per player basis of $200-$225. Is this standard to pay for a tournament registration per player? (This seems like a very expensive price compared to $800 per team in soccer.) What do you expect to pay per tournament?
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Entry fees vary but Express is in this BUISNESS to make a buck you can figure they are laying out anywhere from 800.00 to 1500.00 to register a team. You can check showcase website to get correct fees. As you can see if you carry 20 on a roster you more than cover the entry fees.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Entry fees vary but Express is in this BUISNESS to make a buck you can figure they are laying out anywhere from 800.00 to 1500.00 to register a team. You can check showcase website to get correct fees. As you can see if you carry 20 on a roster you more than cover the entry fees.


As much as all these clubs may help your daughter the bottom line is money, they are running a business. They will all keep charging high fees as long as we pay.
They announced the boys 2014 team last night. They have four teams, that I have heard of. Orange ,Blue, White, and Gray..
Catholic school guys are cleaning up off a parent pipe dream. Some good Christians, lol
Express ran a BS Thanksgiving tournament. 75 dollars per kid. The team had 28 kids on it. Last one for my son.
The only good thing was we were not in the 4th grade bracket. They played 6th graders for five minutes and the game was stopped. What a joke!!! They express guys are thankful that we keep giving.
Originally Posted by laxfan14
Express ran a BS Thanksgiving tournament. 75 dollars per kid. The team had 28 kids on it. Last one for my son.
The only good thing was we were not in the 4th grade bracket. They played 6th graders for five minutes and the game was stopped. What a joke!!! They express guys are thankful that we keep giving.
Doing a quick calculation, LaxFan14, are you telling us that this tournament cost $75.00 x 28 Players for a grand total of $2100.00 for the entry fee?

That is an incredibly high price. How much playing time was guaranteed against that entry fee? Please share the details.
The tournament fee was advertised at $750 per team. The checks for each participating team were to be made payable to a director of the express. He ran the tournament, so who knows what he paid per team. His costs were the referees. 2 refs per game at $50-60 per game. At 3 games, that's gouging.
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Originally Posted by laxfan14
The tournament fee was advertised at $750 per team. The checks for each participating team were to be made payable to a director of the express. He ran the tournament, so who knows what he paid per team. His costs were the referees. 2 refs per game at $50-60 per game. At 3 games, that's gouging.


Welcome to the world of youth Lacrosse on Long Island, Boys or Girls it does not matter. All these club teams gouge and as long as we pay they are going to take our money
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If your looking for a Lacrosse Club with reasonable rates check out Park Lacrosse at parklacrosse.net. This is a new travel venture that is here for the players and their families. Check it out this summers rates are $675.00 per player includes 4 tournaments, sublimated uniforms, quality coaching, 8-10 practices. Preseason practices and goalie training for an additional modest fee.
Refreshing the Long Island Express Lacrosse discussion thread based on requests here on the main message board.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
As much as all these clubs may help your daughter the bottom line is money, they are running a business. They will all keep charging high fees as long as we pay.


We have a winner folks. Express seems to travel a little more than most which may explain some of the extra $$$ for the registration. There are less expensive teams that give more in way of equipment, uniforms, etc. You really need to look around and see what fits you and your child the best as far as travel, commitment and the talent level you will be facing at the tournaments each team goes to. The Express may have the most name recoginition right now but there are teams who are building programs and are currently mathcing and exceeding the Express teams talent wise.
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i agree it depends on what u want for your child. For example, my son is the goalie for another organization and staight from the coaches, the team is built around him and so far we have won a few tourneys but he gets next to no training or direct practice time so we have decided after this season to start looking around for more serious organizations for him. For most of these groups, the practices revovle around running plays, next to no drills or training and just being prepped for the tournaments so minimal growth for the kids.
what does extra travel have to do with the higher fees. they charge more to make more. The express orange teams are the only teams that are worth the money. If you play for blue, white, or any other color you are just making a donation.
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Originally Posted by laxfan14
what does extra travel have to do with the higher fees. they charge more to make more. The express orange teams are the only teams that are worth the money. If you play for blue, white, or any other color you are just making a donation.


I assume they are paying the coaches hotel rooms and maybe some travel fees when playing out of town. That's a cost you don't have when playing on the island.
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Originally Posted by laxfan14
what does extra travel have to do with the higher fees. they charge more to make more. The express orange teams are the only teams that are worth the money. If you play for blue, white, or any other color you are just making a donation.


Do they let you know what team you will be assigned to before you make the $$$ commitment? I assume not, otherwise parents may not pay to be on a B or C squad.
I was talking with an Express mom who is pretty satisfied with the team. But she says it all depends on if your coach is good. Her daughter's coach is all about fundamentals and this mom likes that. She said there is also little dead wood on the team, girls from last year's team were cut in favor of new girls with more talent.
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Originally Posted by Powderfinger
I was talking with an Express mom who is pretty satisfied with the team. But she says it all depends on if your coach is good. Her daughter's coach is all about fundamentals and this mom likes that. She said there is also little dead wood on the team, girls from last year's team were cut in favor of new girls with more talent.


Powderfinger,

I think the coach will play a large majority in how happy you are with a team. Doesn't matter what team your daughter plays for.

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my son plays for another organization and i've been speaking with the heads of express and i am definitely impressed with what i have heard. Mind you they are all about selling and making more money, but they were very straight forward. We are not moving for more playing time but for better coaching and practicing. I was amazed when i was told the express teams have been practicing since November which my sons organization hasn't done. Granted we have won a few tournaments already, but when you are 10/11, does it really matter in the grand scheme especially if you are playing subpar teams. I would rather lose every tourey, but be part of something that is giving me my money's worth, ie. practices, instruction and coaching.
Re: coaching makes the team.

So agree. What I don't like is that, in my experience, there is no guarantee as to your coach when you sign up for a program. As far as I can see, it's luck of the draw no matter what promises are made up front across all the lax programs. Very frustrating.
Like i said earlier, if your not on the orange team you are out. The orange teams have the better coaches. The directors, who are proven hs coaches, coach the orange teams, with the help of a Catholic School bound kids dad. Every other color team is there to line the directors pockets.
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totally agreed.
so this year, we will do a good number of tryouts and see what falls out. i spoke to one of the directors recently who invited us down to workout with them in the coming weeks but of course said initially we will work with the blue squad. this after i finished telling him my son has blanked the blue squad every time we have played them and i am not leaving one "B" unit for another. Will see what happens.
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Any info on the girls side?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any info on the girls side?


YJ 15 Blue team spanked their Express 15 girls team. The team used to be a powerhouse but are slowly crumbling.
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What B team are you on?
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who r u asking? which post?
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Ever hear of "Buyer Beware"? The directors will tell you a lot of wonderful things, but take it from someone who has been through it - you pay for EVERYTHING tenfold! The orange teams might begin practicing earlier, but the others play winter leagues/tournaments which they charge ridiculous amounts of money for. Your child is young - you'll see how it unfolds. Good luck
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starting to think you are right. I think after alot of discussion, we might just look at a few of the other organizations out there, worry less about all the high level tourneys, and spend more money on individual training, which none of the groups really offer for a goalie, that is for sure.
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Does anyone know what they're talking about in the Team 91 thread? Why were we not given the opportunity to have our kids try out for this team if the Express is running it. Are they trying to get players from other teams and force the one who are playing this year out?
Express is looking to get the best players that they can. They are running a business. They will show loyalty by letting returning players move to the blue team and giving players from team 91 the spots on orange.
How many kids are they adding from other clubs to the 2014 team that is going to florida this weekend?
This is the field for the Under-15 National Championship being held from July 22nd-24th at ESPN/Wide World of Sports in Florida. Local representation from the Long Island Express, Long Island Jesters, and For the Love of the Game.

Atlanta Coyotes
Blue Chips
C2C Black
Carolina Cyclones
DH Lax Elite
Dukes HHH LC
FCA
FL Swashbucklers
For the Love of the Game
Force Lacrosse
Houligans
Illinois United
Jacksonville
Las Vegas Headwrapz
LI Express
LI Jesters
MD Lcrosse Club
Next Level (MD)
Next Level (RI)
NESLL
Norcal Titans
Norcal Blue
Team Colorado
True Lacrosse
TTL Select
Utah
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Originally Posted by laxfan14
They will show loyalty by letting returning players move to the blue team and giving players from team 91 the spots on orange.


It's not just 91. It's kids from fl$, Raiders, etc. And that's not loyalty, it's a slap in the face.
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Hearing one town club outraged by a father helping to orchestrate. Evidently not the first run-in between club and this father. Town club also run by HS varsity coach so will be interesting to see if any repurcusions down the road..ugh..as the youth lax world turns.
Boys rosters for the U15 National Championship

Boys U15 National Championshjp Rosters

From New [lacrosse], this covers the Long Island Express (hence in this thread), but also the Long Island Jesters and For the the Love of the Game players.
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No 91?
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would have been nice to know your kids were playing in Balt this weekend and not playing for their own team..... can you say Loyalty! ,,,,roster had to be in July 1st....the ME generation takes over once again...lets see what HS teams are there at the end........I need middies to get MY son the Ball.....
U/15 Boys National Championship Seedings/Brackets

#1 Long Island Express
#5 For the Love of the Game
#14 Long Island Jesters
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Substantial lightning and bad weather basically undermined the whole tournament. Seedings are basically done on half-results (two group play games, some shortened). With 27 teams involved, the top five seeds received the byes.

1. Long Island Express (2-0) 1 GA (+16 differential)
2. Nor Cal Talons (2-0) 1 GA (+13 differential)
3. Maryland LC (2-0) 2 GA
4. Force Lacrosse (2-0) 3 GA (+10 differential)
5. For the Love of the Game (2-0) 3 GA (+9 differential)
6. NESLL (2-0) 3 GA (+6 differential)
7. Carolina Cyclones (2-0) 4 GA
8. Next Level MD (2-0) 5 GA (+14 differential)
9. FCA (2-0) 5 GA (+9 differential)
10. Colorado (1-1) 5 GA (+5 differential), won coin flip
11. DH Lax Elite (1-1) 5 GA (+5 differential)
12. Vegas Headwrapz (1-1) 7 GA
13. True Lacrosse (1-1) 8 GA
14. Long Island Jesters (1-1) 9 GA
15. Dukes HHH LC (1-1) 10 GA (-4 differential)
16. Nor Cal Blue (1-1) 10 GA (-5 differential)
17. C2C Black (1-1) 11 GA
18. Blue Chips (0-1-1) 15 GA
19. Houlaguns (0-1-1) 23 GA
20. Next Level RI (0-2) 12 GA (-5 differential)
21. Jacksonville (0-2) 12 GA (-8 differential)
22. Atlanta Coyotes (0-2) 14 GA (-8 differential)
23. Utah (0-2) 14 GA (-12 differential)
24. Illinois United (0-2) 14 GA (-13 differential)
25. TTL Select (0-2) 18 GA (-12 differential)
26. Florida Swashbucklers (0-2) 18 GA (-16 differential)
27. Stickhead (0-2) 22 GA
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At Best of the Beach - Report on Girls 2016 group ... Heros 2016 tied the Express in the finals after a 3-3 championship (25 minutes with no halftime) and a scoreless Brave Heart. Heros 2016 went 4-0 in the Red Pool, beating LI Express 9-8 Friday morning and beating Suffolk County 3-2 Saturday afternoon. LI Express (2nd in Red Pool as they also beat Suffolk) beat LI Top Guns in a very close semifinal after Top Guns won their group.
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Long Island Express Barracuda's won the Madlax tourney this weekend beating the Looney's 10-7 in the championship game.
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Madlax.com has a picture of the team taken after the Championship Game against Looney's.
http://www.madlax.com/index.cfm?action=pages&p=61
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The Express 2016 Barracuda team is one of the most talented U-13 teams we've seen this year. The Looney's who had been on a torrid winning streak looked over-matched at times by the depth of talent on the Barracuda squad. Saturday's convincing 9-3 loss to the Cudas shocked the Looney faithful. At the outset of Sunday's championship match, the Looney's looked like they may have regained their winning composure but each time the Looney's went up by a goal the Cuda team answered. The Cuda's managed to go up three goals at the half and were able to coast to the teams first championship in their short history of one week. Congratulations to the players and coaches for a job well done!
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Barracudas are NOT an Express Team I've seen before. Watched them beat the Looneys to win the U13AA Madlax championship- determined, hard fighting and focused- these kids approached the field like they had an important job to do and when the game was over they walked off like humble, albeit excited, champions. Athletic,powerful,classy. What's the scoop? What a find!!
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Any 2016 Express Orange folks here? Was anyone from the Orange team included with the Barracudas? If yes or no how is it sitting with the Express base?
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The barracuda team will be remaining intact moving forward. If there were some Express Orange kids on the team i am sure they will remain with the barracuda's. Don't worry the Express is the finest club program on Long Island I'm sure there won't be a problem reloading the Orange team.

The 2017 teams have the Turtles but also the 2017 Orange which might be just as good.

Things work out just fine in the Express World, they always do. Kids want to eventually play with the top program, especially as it gets closer to college recruiting age.
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One late summer U13 tournament win is nice but doesn't mean much. I'm already hearing some kids not coming back. Lets see what happens when this team steps up to U15AA next year at Tri-State and some of the other tougher tournaments where they start playing against older kids. We'll be able to properly evaluate this time next year...not now.
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Some kids not coming back? I think not. They will be back maybe less 1 player. They would be crazy not to return. Not when they have the reputation they have gotten from 1 tournament
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How do you get a "reputation" from one tournament?
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Good start for the Cuda's but don't get ahead of yourself. I'm very close to the fl$ program and believe me, they thought coming into this summer that their 2015 team were the chosen ones based on how they played in U13 the summer before. Lets just say this summer didn't work out the way they thought it would. Stay humble my friend...there is tons of talent in 2016 on the island.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
when the game was over they walked off like humble, albeit excited, champions.


I'm glad the kids handled themselves in such a manner because the adults on here sure aren't. I congratulate the boys on their win but some of you should be ashamed of yourselves for the obviously transparent posts from parents and the Express directors. One of the posts in this thread and the 91 thread are exactly the same and a cut and paste job.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some kids not coming back? I think not. They will be back maybe less 1 player. They would be crazy not to return. Not when they have the reputation they have gotten from 1 tournament


LOL! I love reading posts from parents living vicariously through their kids. If you are so desperate to suit up, join an adult league.

Pretty sad that the Express kicked their own kids to the curb and assembled a "super team" by poaching players. And for what purpose? To win a meaningless t-shirt.

From what I understand, the 2016 Express team was last in pool play at Tri-State. So instead of coaching these kids up, Express assembles an All-Star team in the hopes of plucking these kids permanently. Sad.

As for the reputation this team has gotten after one tournament, on that we agree. The Express definitely has a reputation after this stunt.
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The Express Orange/Central teams always manage to win regardless of age. The top high school players all migrate to club teams like Express and fl$ because those teams play in the top recruiting tournaments. The Barracuda's are ahead of the curve in terms of selecting the best talent in their respective grade.
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Yeah, but I would not want to be on the wrong side of a scorned HS varsity coach. Good luck.
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HS varsity coaches play the best players period. Their job is to win and they know that.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yeah, but I would not want to be on the wrong side of a scorned HS varsity coach. Good luck.


Conflict of interest
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
HS varsity coaches play the best players period. Their job is to win and they know that.

LOL - talk to the kid's high school coach to see what he thinks and then get back to us. They are human beings...if the talent is close, these factors will come into play. Trust me, I've had these conversations.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yeah, but I would not want to be on the wrong side of a scorned HS varsity coach. Good luck.


Conflict of interest


Absolutely. I don't like it but it is a reality in some town that some parents will have to accept and explain to their kids.
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Im sure that most of these boastful posts are being written by people looking to knock the team by getting others worked up or from those club directors worrying that they blew it with many kids because they "fumbled the ball" this past season. Don't put to much into posts that are from anonymous, including this post. Its just food for thought. Who knows who is writing these posts pro or con this barracuda team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HS varsity coaches play the best players period. Their job is to win and they know that.


Hopefully your kid is not from a town where this conflict exists and you don't have to worry about it. Others may be in a tougher position.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HS varsity coaches play the best players period. Their job is to win and they know that.

Obviously you have not yet to gone through the high school experience. I've seen plenty of instances in HS where the slightly better kid sat on the bench - sometimes seemingly because the parents were nightmares. Don't worry about it...until you have to.
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Fascinating thread! Keep it up. What's fascinating? The real emotion in thses posts because this is about rising 8th graders (let's keep that in mind). As for Express winning at all age groups? What happened to the 2016 Orange then? Does Express conduct a tryout? If so, when did the Barracuda tryout happen? If not, does Express just answer that this is a business and anything goes? If the Barracudas are that good and it sounds like they are I guess the fun factor in this team staying together is the joy in 17-0, 10-0, 9-3 , etc wins. Could players take anything out of playing in tight games? What happened to competition? Is loyalty a consideration? Fascinating! As for HS kids migrating there because of recruiting tournaments, it seems like there are new programs not only popping up but also getting invites to these tournaments as well? Enjoying both sides make their cases.
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Interestingly enough, this thread serves as a marvelous microcosim of the behavior---in general---of Long Island parents at their daughters' lacrosse games.

We have played 10 games against LI teams in the past two summers and I have never observed anything quite like the sideline antics of a LI parent at a girls lacrosse game.

Humorous, just like this ongoing "debate."
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This is not about rising 8th graders. It is about the kids that weren't asked to play Cuda and the parents who haven't stopped whining!! It is mostly the Team 91 parents that thinks the boy is a stud be he's not. Also the Directors are very upset the season was a disaster at this age/ group. Lack of steady coaches for Oyster Bay who missed the start of the game and didn't know the kids. Tournaments that had coaches who never saw the kids before or practiced with the kids. The list is long, now its time to move on the damage was done by 91 and now they are back tracking. Oh yea no communication for tournaments, I could go on and on but these are now Cuda kids
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I've heard the Maveriks are run by a HS coach and I think there are 3 or 4 kids from the Maveriks on the Cuda team. Any other clubs (91, fl$ etc..) poached by the Cudas that are run by HS coaches? If the tables were turned on the Express, do you think a St. Anthony's kid playing for say the fl$ would see much of the field in a St A's game? All coaches are human...this stuff happens...
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These are 13 year old kids who could and should play wherever they want. I don't know of any respectable HS coach who would black-ball a kid for choosing to do something he wants to do in the summer. Kids get better in the summer by learning from different coaches and playing with different players. Besides isn't it a conflict of interest for a HS coach to expect a kid to play for his town team or else he will not see the field on in high school? It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I've heard the Maveriks are run by a HS coach and I think there are 3 or 4 kids from the Maveriks on the Cuda team. Any other clubs (91, fl$ etc..) poached by the Cudas that are run by HS coaches? If the tables were turned on the Express, do you think a St. Anthony's kid playing for say the fl$ would see much of the field in a St A's game? All coaches are human...this stuff happens...


Express sounds like a great program but I've heard that if your kid does not plan on going to St Anthonys or Chaminade then he will be nudged out of the program at some point. I'm sure there have been exceptions for some All-American caliber players but otherwise could this be generally true? Please only answer if you've had some (or know someone who has) experience with the Express in the 9-11th grades. Thanks.
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What sideline antics are you talking about, examples please.An example of the parents from Maryland would be when the father who was missing multiple front teeth and clearly did not believe in personal hygiene attempted to defend the behavior of his daughter who had dropped her stick and goggles and was chasing a much smaller long island player around the field trying to have a fist fight, class act.
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No body has been crying foul at the turtles. Now scorned parents are crying over a very talented team. For the record express did not put this team together it was handed too them. They would be foolish not to take this team. They went to mad lax and dismantled long standing deep programs of marylands best teams. I raise my hat to these KIDS not parents. These kids stay together the whole team signs to D-1 schools the high school coach can do nothing about it. Maybe Jonny should practice more
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Do you really want us to believe that a HS coach will bench his best player or players because they play for the Express rather then his town team. We are not talking about marginal role players we are talking about arguably the top players on the team.
That doesn't happen, if it happened to your child then maybe you need to take a look in the mirror and stop making excuses why your son wasn't get play time and face the facts maybe he didn't deserve it and it had nothing to do with what club team he played on.
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Oh my god! YOU ALL SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES!! THESE ARE 13 YEAR OLD BOYS. THIS IS VERY DISHEARTING TO READ THESE BLOGS. FIRST OFF I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE THE BOYS FOR AN OUTSTANDING WEEKEND. BOYS, THE STATISTICS DON'T LIE AND MAYBE THESE PARENTS SHOULD GO TO THE MAD LAX WEBSITE AND CHECK IT OUT BECAUSE ALL THESE NASTY COMMENTS ARE USELESS.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do you really want us to believe that a HS coach will bench his best player or players because they play for the Express rather then his town team. We are not talking about marginal role players we are talking about arguably the top players on the team.
That doesn't happen, if it happened to your child then maybe you need to take a look in the mirror and stop making excuses why your son wasn't get play time and face the facts maybe he didn't deserve it and it had nothing to do with what club team he played on.


All I'm saying is that if you have two kids that are roughly equal at the same position and one plays for the coache's club and the other doesn't, who do you think will win the tie breaker? Instead of guessing, you should go ahead and ask your son's HS coach. Please post his answer here. Thanks. Also, ask the director of the Express if he'd play an fl$ or Jesters kid over an Express kid in a HS game.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh my god! YOU ALL SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES!! THESE ARE 13 YEAR OLD BOYS. THIS IS VERY DISHEARTING TO READ THESE BLOGS. FIRST OFF I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE THE BOYS FOR AN OUTSTANDING WEEKEND. BOYS, THE STATISTICS DON'T LIE AND MAYBE THESE PARENTS SHOULD GO TO THE MAD LAX WEBSITE AND CHECK IT OUT BECAUSE ALL THESE NASTY COMMENTS ARE USELESS.


What nasty comments are your referring to? None of what has been said here has disparaged what the boys have done on the field. This debate is all about organizational decisions made by adults. Nobody on this forum is criticizing the kids. Relax, take a deep breath and dont follow this anymore if you are going to take it so personally.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
No body has been crying foul at the turtles. Now scorned parents are crying over a very talented team. For the record express did not put this team together it was handed too them. They would be foolish not to take this team. They went to mad lax and dismantled long standing deep programs of marylands best teams. I raise my hat to these KIDS not parents. These kids stay together the whole team signs to D-1 schools the high school coach can do nothing about it. Maybe Jonny should practice more


If the Express didn't put this team together then who did? No parent has enough time or connections to pull together kids from 5 or 6 different programs in a short period of time. If there were parents involved ...they need to get a life and a real job!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No body has been crying foul at the turtles. Now scorned parents are crying over a very talented team. For the record express did not put this team together it was handed too them. They would be foolish not to take this team. They went to mad lax and dismantled long standing deep programs of marylands best teams. I raise my hat to these KIDS not parents. These kids stay together the whole team signs to D-1 schools the high school coach can do nothing about it. Maybe Jonny should practice more


"...the whole team signs to D-1 schools..." ... Are you kidding me? I feel sorry for your kid if your expectations for him are that high at this age...do your kid a favor and don't let him know thats what you expect. Good luck with that.
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It may be hard to believe but it is true. A single parent is responsible for putting this team together. This parent should be commended for doing an outstanding job of drafting a highly talented and well respected group of lacrosse players who all have the same common goal of competing at the highest level.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No body has been crying foul at the turtles. Now scorned parents are crying over a very talented team. For the record express did not put this team together it was handed too them. They would be foolish not to take this team. They went to mad lax and dismantled long standing deep programs of marylands best teams. I raise my hat to these KIDS not parents. These kids stay together the whole team signs to D-1 schools the high school coach can do nothing about it. Maybe Jonny should practice more


If this team was "handed" to the Express then who was qualified enough to make the evaluations of who should be invited and who shouldn't? Some random parent with an agenda who couldn't possibly know all of the kids on all of the teams that were poached? The Express can correct this problem by holding an open tryout for all of the excellent players who were not known about by these self-empowered parents.
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express did not put this team together. There were people put alot of time and energy. If this was your kids and it was duke virginia hopkins this would be great. They whipped up on some great competition. Give them their do let them play only the best and excel all big schools will be waiting playing at their level. Any other team would have scooped these kids up. Stop blaming the express if you knew what really happened you would be shocked. It is you who needs to do his homework
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Are you suggesting that the Manhasset Mavericks are run by the Manhasset Varsity coach and the Manhasset School district permits such a conflict of interest? That its "line my pockets with summer gold or wear splinters in your bench warming arse next year"?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
they beat the best team in the country twice if that is not talent i dont know what is when you can pick a team and go 5 and 0 61 goals for 10 against and three shut outs enough said
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you suggesting that the Manhasset Mavericks are run by the Manhasset Varsity coach and the Manhasset School district permits such a conflict of interest? That its "line my pockets with summer gold or wear splinters in your bench warming arse next year"?

Sounds like the single parent that put this together is from Manhasset...whatever. Good luck to all.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you suggesting that the Manhasset Mavericks are run by the Manhasset Varsity coach and the Manhasset School district permits such a conflict of interest? That its "line my pockets with summer gold or wear splinters in your bench warming arse next year"?

Sounds like the single parent that put this together is from Manhasset...whatever. Good luck to all.


If true easy to figure out from there. Whatever, none of us will remember this stuff 2 years from now...but good debate. fl$ will not let this grade slip away and will get it right with all of the kids who feel overlooked and have something to prove. Should be epic battles between fl$ and Cudas the next couple of years.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
they beat the best team in the country twice if that is not talent i dont know what is when you can pick a team and go 5 and 0 61 goals for 10 against and three shut outs enough said


If they are so good...then they probably have some kids that by age could easily be in the grade above and they were left back a year. Lets see how they do if they ever get a chance to challenge themselves by playing a select club team that is a year older than they are. I'm sure the fl$ 2015 team would love to play them..that will be the real test...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Take a step back and evaluate what each person's motives are before you take too much from what they are saying.
For the parents of the boys from the barracuda team, sounds like you had a great time and your child was very fortunate to have been chosen. (win-win)
For the parents of the players not chosen from the various teams. (lose-lose)
Feelings probably hurt for the boys not selected and now because of the success of the barracuda team those boys left behind must be feeling that the top players from their team might not be coming back.
Probably the people doing the most bitching are from the (lose-lose) category. So you must take all of the negative spin being spun out of control as nothing more then sour grapes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
they beat the best team in the country twice if that is not talent i dont know what is when you can pick a team and go 5 and 0 61 goals for 10 against and three shut outs enough said


The Looney's U13AA team is a very good one (not nearly as good as last year's version, though), so beating them is an accomplishment. Madlax is an ok team - nowhere near as good as the Looney's, however, and the rest of the field in that tournament was marginal at best.

Also, imagine if the Looney's, Crabs, Greene Turtle and some other Baltimore clubs put together an All-Star roster. Or if some DC clubs like VLC, Madlax, Next Level and Club Blue put together a single team for one event. If you are going to tout the accomplishments of a single All-Star team assembled for one tournament, then you have to compare how it would have fared against All-Star teams from other hotbeds.
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Since there is no such thing as U14 at most tournaments, the Cudas will have to step up to U15 where they will face a whole different level of size, strength and speed than they've ever seen before. Lets see how they do against perennial U15 powerhouses like the Crabs U15.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Please shock us all then
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D1 schools? Is that what you were told? Curious - before all these club teams started popping up how did anyone ever get to a D1 school in years past?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
This was a comment from laxpower this morning:
I am parent of a team the express played. I'll be honest we played zone against them which for 13 year olds could
be considered "bush league". Now our goalie is very good and the express proceeded to run an offense that simply annihilated us. Complete unselfishness , No boistrous cheering, no complaints about zone just played lacrosse the way it's suppose to be played. Parents even congratulated our goalie for making nice saves. This summer lax? Best team by far in many ways.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
You may want to check your facts. The parent who coordinated the Barracuda team is NOT from Manhasset, he's from Dix Hills. His son played on Team 91.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No body has been crying foul at the turtles. Now scorned parents are crying over a very talented team. For the record express did not put this team together it was handed too them. They would be foolish not to take this team. They went to mad lax and dismantled long standing deep programs of marylands best teams. I raise my hat to these KIDS not parents. These kids stay together the whole team signs to D-1 schools the high school coach can do nothing about it. Maybe Jonny should practice more


Sorry to say but you need to GET OFF THE CRAZY TRAIN NOW! You missed your stop a long time ago. With the explosion of the sport across the U.S. and Canada combined with the penalty of living in a populous state like New [lacrosse] where admissions offices are overwhelmed with NY applications, the chances of any Cuda kid sniffing a D1 lax field are about 1 or 2 out of 20. So, there is an 80-90% chance that your kid will fall far short of your unrealistic athletic goals for him. Will that make him a failure in your eyes? Hope not. I call this the ESPNU parent couch potato syndrome and it is really a disaster for our kids. Take a look at the current D1 rosters. Every year there are more and more kids filling those rosters from outside of the lax "hotbeds". And consider that the current LI D1 players went through the recruiting process in a much less competitive environment than what a 2016 kid will face. All of this will eventually lead to more pressure among the Cuda kids and sooner or later the parent backstabbing and bitching about unequal field time and exposure for each kid that will blow this team apart. All because of expectations like from this parent that every kid is one of "the chosen" and destined for D1. I've seen this many times before. Watch what happens when the kid of the parent who put this team together always seems to be a starter and mysterically gets more playing time than any other kid at his position. And, he's probably playing for free or a severly discounted rate. Seen that before too. Enjoy the fireworkds.

Do yourselves and your kids a favor - tone down the expectations and try to just enjoy the ride.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
You need to relax. Just remember to all who make these ridulous comments about the express lets wait and see what the upcoming season holds. Now maybe they wouldn't want you on their sidelines
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Quote
No body has been crying foul at the turtles. Now scorned parents are crying over a very talented team. For the record express did not put this team together it was handed too them. They would be foolish not to take this team. They went to mad lax and dismantled long standing deep programs of marylands best teams. I raise my hat to these KIDS not parents. These kids stay together the whole team signs to D-1 schools the high school coach can do nothing about it. Maybe Jonny should practice more


1. It was an impressive performance. But that's not a team - it's a group of 12-13 year old mercenaries (or maybe older).

2. They beat down Looney's in the 1st game, and won convincingly in the 2nd. They did NOT "dismantled long standing deep programs of marylands best teams". Madlax is a good team, but they are from DC. The other teams were terrible. The fact that you state that the field were "long standing deep programs of marylands best teams" shows you have no idea what you're talking about.

3. If you think all of those kids are going Division 1, you truly are delusional.

Everyone in youth lacrosse is talking about what a scumbag move it was for the Express to bring down an All-Star team and kick their own kids off. I predict they'll regret their actions.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No body has been crying foul at the turtles. Now scorned parents are crying over a very talented team. For the record express did not put this team together it was handed too them. They would be foolish not to take this team. They went to mad lax and dismantled long standing deep programs of marylands best teams. I raise my hat to these KIDS not parents. These kids stay together the whole team signs to D-1 schools the high school coach can do nothing about it. Maybe Jonny should practice more


Sorry to say but you need to GET OFF THE CRAZY TRAIN NOW! You missed your stop a long time ago. With the explosion of the sport across the U.S. and Canada combined with the penalty of living in a populous state like New [lacrosse] where admissions offices are overwhelmed with NY applications, the chances of any Cuda kid sniffing a D1 lax field are about 1 or 2 out of 20. So, there is an 80-90% chance that your kid will fall far short of your unrealistic athletic goals for him. Will that make him a failure in your eyes? Hope not. I call this the ESPNU parent couch potato syndrome and it is really a disaster for our kids. Take a look at the current D1 rosters. Every year there are more and more kids filling those rosters from outside of the lax "hotbeds". And consider that the current LI D1 players went through the recruiting process in a much less competitive environment than what a 2016 kid will face. All of this will eventually lead to more pressure among the Cuda kids and sooner or later the parent backstabbing and bitching about unequal field time and exposure for each kid that will blow this team apart. All because of expectations like from this parent that every kid is one of "the chosen" and destined for D1. I've seen this many times before. Watch what happens when the kid of the parent who put this team together always seems to be a starter and mysterically gets more playing time than any other kid at his position. And, he's probably playing for free or a severly discounted rate. Seen that before too. Enjoy the fireworkds.

Do yourselves and your kids a favor - tone down the expectations and try to just enjoy the ride.


Interesting points...probably true that the parents that want it the most for their kids are the ones that 1) Never played a sport either in high school or college and 2) have the kids that burn out or crumble under the pressure of their parents. Also, be careful what you wish for, lots of kids who play D1 realize that it was a mistake and either drop out of the sport or decide to play at a school that is academically below their potential all because their parents wanted to see them play D1 lax and there wasnt a spot available at the better school. What a shame and a waste...If you really want your kid to go D1, tell him/her to pick up a book, not a lax stick.
I guess the express are more focused on the younger groups because the older groups did not do very well this summer. They beat their chests about tournament championships. The rising sophomore team finished 3rd in the u15 national championship in Fl. That's a good showing but first place was fl$ and second place was the LI Jesters. Express lost head to head to the Jesters in NYLAX tournament. fl$ beat them in semis in Fla.
I guess its time for a new coach on the 2014 and 2013 teams.

2013 team didn't win any tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You may want to check your facts. The parent who coordinated the Barracuda team is NOT from Manhasset, he's from Dix Hills. His son played on Team 91.


Maybe true but he needed help. It was obvious who the disgruntled and manipulative parents were on the other teams who did not have their kids show up for tournaments toward the end and bailed on their teams - great parenting and great lesson for the kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by laxfan14
I guess the express are more focused on the younger groups because the older groups did not do very well this summer. They beat their chests about tournament championships. The rising sophomore team finished 3rd in the u15 national championship in Fl. That's a good showing but first place was fl$ and second place was the LI Jesters. Express lost head to head to the Jesters in NYLAX tournament. fl$ beat them in semis in Fla.
I guess its time for a new coach on the 2014 and 2013 teams.

2013 team didn't win any tournaments.


Ask any fl$ U15 player and they will tell you that the semifinal game vs the Express was the real championship game and that the Express gave them a much tougher fight than the Jesters. In fact, the Express was up by a goal with just a couple of minutes left. Give the Express credit, they were the 2nd best team there. If the Jesters had been on the fl$ side of the bracket they wouldn't have made it to the final - luck of the draw.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by laxfan14
I guess the express are more focused on the younger groups because the older groups did not do very well this summer. They beat their chests about tournament championships. The rising sophomore team finished 3rd in the u15 national championship in Fl. That's a good showing but first place was fl$ and second place was the LI Jesters. Express lost head to head to the Jesters in NYLAX tournament. fl$ beat them in semis in Fla.
I guess its time for a new coach on the 2014 and 2013 teams.

2013 team didn't win any tournaments.


Ask any fl$ U15 player and they will tell you that the semifinal game vs the Express was the real championship game and that the Express gave them a much tougher fight than the Jesters. In fact, the Express was up by a goal with just a couple of minutes left. Give the Express credit, they were the 2nd best team there. If the Jesters had been on the fl$ side of the bracket they wouldn't have made it to the final - luck of the draw.


And if the Crabs and/or Looney's had been there, some of those teams wouldn't have sniffed the final four. Or a number of other U15 teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by laxfan14
I guess the express are more focused on the younger groups because the older groups did not do very well this summer. They beat their chests about tournament championships. The rising sophomore team finished 3rd in the u15 national championship in Fl. That's a good showing but first place was fl$ and second place was the LI Jesters. Express lost head to head to the Jesters in NYLAX tournament. fl$ beat them in semis in Fla.
I guess its time for a new coach on the 2014 and 2013 teams.

2013 team didn't win any tournaments.


Ask any fl$ U15 player and they will tell you that the semifinal game vs the Express was the real championship game and that the Express gave them a much tougher fight than the Jesters. In fact, the Express was up by a goal with just a couple of minutes left. Give the Express credit, they were the 2nd best team there. If the Jesters had been on the fl$ side of the bracket they wouldn't have made it to the final - luck of the draw.


And if the Crabs and/or Looney's had been there, some of those teams wouldn't have sniffed the final four. Or a number of other U15 teams.

The Crabs and Looney's would probably lose 30-40% of their team based on the 8/31 date they use as opposed to the 12/31 date used in the National tournament. Don't be so sure of your statement! losing 8-10 of your oldest kids can definitely effect the quality of your team!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by laxfan14
I guess the express are more focused on the younger groups because the older groups did not do very well this summer. They beat their chests about tournament championships. The rising sophomore team finished 3rd in the u15 national championship in Fl. That's a good showing but first place was fl$ and second place was the LI Jesters. Express lost head to head to the Jesters in NYLAX tournament. fl$ beat them in semis in Fla.
I guess its time for a new coach on the 2014 and 2013 teams.

2013 team didn't win any tournaments.


Ask any fl$ U15 player and they will tell you that the semifinal game vs the Express was the real championship game and that the Express gave them a much tougher fight than the Jesters. In fact, the Express was up by a goal with just a couple of minutes left. Give the Express credit, they were the 2nd best team there. If the Jesters had been on the fl$ side of the bracket they wouldn't have made it to the final - luck of the draw.


And if the Crabs and/or Looney's had been there, some of those teams wouldn't have sniffed the final four. Or a number of other U15 teams.

The Crabs and Looney's would probably lose 30-40% of their team based on the 8/31 date they use as opposed to the 12/31 date used in the National tournament. Don't be so sure of your statement! losing 8-10 of your oldest kids can definitely effect the quality of your team!


Bingo...thats why the Crabs and Looneys would rather make excuses about why its not worth their time rather than just showing up to play...As hard as it is for MD to accept, for the next year three long island programs will be considered the standard for U15 by the USL.
No. The 2nd best team was the Jesters. The Jesters beat MLC ,who handled the express twice at tri-state. Face it , the express beat up on bad teams and couldn't beat quality teams all summer. Don't forget, Jesters beat express at Farmingdale.
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all sign with D1 schools ? lets see, 56 D1 teams, 8 players per class. 448 D1 signees per year. aprox 50,000 u13 players nationwide. 20 cudas. I guess that leaves just 428 spots for the rest of the 49,980 kids. Good luck
The Lacrosse Magazine All-Tournament team was named following the completion of the U/15 National Championship. For the Love of the Game took top honors followed by the Long Island Jesters and the Long Island Express for a regional sweep of the top three positions.

The 12 players honored, with positions and club programs noted:

Attackman Ian Kirby, Long Island Express (N.Y.)
Attackman Dawes Milchling, Maryland Lacrosse Club
Attackman Justin McBride, For the Love of the Game (N.Y.)
Midfielder Joe Reid, Nor Cal Talons
Midfielder Brian Eletti, For the Love of the Game (N.Y.)
Midfield Evan Gagne, Long Island Jesters (N.Y.)
Midfielder Nick Suchoki, Long Island Jesters (N.Y.)
Midfielder Carney Mahon, For the Love of the Game (N.Y.)
Defenseman Benjamin Joy, Long Island Express (N.Y.)
Defenseman Robert Vavassis, For the Love of the Game (N.Y.)
Defenseman Billy Andrle, Long Island Jesters (N.Y.)
Goalie Michael Terracciano, For the Love of the Game (N.Y.)

Congratulations to all the players and teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
all sign with D1 schools ? lets see, 56 D1 teams, 8 players per class. 448 D1 signees per year. aprox 50,000 u13 players nationwide. 20 cudas. I guess that leaves just 428 spots for the rest of the 49,980 kids. Good luck


Typical rosters are actually 35-40 players in D1 so its usually 8-12 recruits per year but thats just a rounding error on the number of U13 players. Not to mention that a fully funded program has only 12.6 scholarships to divide across the entire roster. A few might get a half but most only get 10-20%. Conclusion? Unless your kid is a genius, keep brownbaggin....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
For the record express played an extra tournament this season. This team was handed to them,after the season was over. They had 4 days of practice under their belt. Give them there due all are jealous because you got beat to the punch. I personally know the outlaws were reaching out to get express kids and so were the raiders. Read 91 blogs everyone hates it. All teams have tryouts and try to pick top players. If jonny didnt make the barracudas he probably wouldnt make it this coming year. GROW UP AND LET THE KIDS PLAY. THIS IS TRUELY ABOUT PARENTS RATING THEIR KIDS AFTER DRINKING A BOTTLE>.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Top 2014 On Li Are in No Order Outlaws Black(Beat Jesters and Express This year) Could not Play in FLA to Many Nov dec Birth Dates. Express Orange(They are very Good) fl$ and Jesters. All 4 Teams are Top Notch. Do Not Put any Down, They all have Many big Time players and all VERY Good organazations.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by laxfan14
I guess the express are more focused on the younger groups because the older groups did not do very well this summer. They beat their chests about tournament championships. The rising sophomore team finished 3rd in the u15 national championship in Fl. That's a good showing but first place was fl$ and second place was the LI Jesters. Express lost head to head to the Jesters in NYLAX tournament. fl$ beat them in semis in Fla.
I guess its time for a new coach on the 2014 and 2013 teams.

2013 team didn't win any tournaments.


Ask any fl$ U15 player and they will tell you that the semifinal game vs the Express was the real championship game and that the Express gave them a much tougher fight than the Jesters. In fact, the Express was up by a goal with just a couple of minutes left. Give the Express credit, they were the 2nd best team there. If the Jesters had been on the fl$ side of the bracket they wouldn't have made it to the final - luck of the draw.


And if the Crabs and/or Looney's had been there, some of those teams wouldn't have sniffed the final four. Or a number of other U15 teams.

The Crabs and Looney's would probably lose 30-40% of their team based on the 8/31 date they use as opposed to the 12/31 date used in the National tournament. Don't be so sure of your statement! losing 8-10 of your oldest kids can definitely effect the quality of your team!


Bingo...thats why the Crabs and Looneys would rather make excuses about why its not worth their time rather than just showing up to play...As hard as it is for MD to accept, for the next year three long island programs will be considered the standard for U15 by the USL.


LOL! I'm not from MD, nor am I am supporter of either Crabs or Looney's, but your comment is off base. For U15, the 8/31 cutoff rarely comes into play because the overwhelming majority of these kids play ONE year at U15 because they are rising freshman who will then play for their HS team (which is supposed to prohibit them from playing U15 ball in every tournament except this bogus USL Florida tournament).

So for this year, those teams are comprised of kids in 8th who are born in 1997.

The U15 Crabs destroyed everyone this year and last year's U13 Looney's team was dominant. Both would have excelled in that tournament - even with those teams with rising sophomores.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Just curious, what towns were represented on this Barracuda team? (no names, just towns that the kids were from)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
For the record express played an extra tournament this season. This team was handed to them,after the season was over. They had 4 days of practice under their belt. Give them there due all are jealous because you got beat to the punch. I personally know the outlaws were reaching out to get express kids and so were the raiders. Read 91 blogs everyone hates it. All teams have tryouts and try to pick top players. If jonny didnt make the barracudas he probably wouldnt make it this coming year. GROW UP AND LET THE KIDS PLAY. THIS IS TRUELY ABOUT PARENTS RATING THEIR KIDS AFTER DRINKING A BOTTLE>.


So poaching players from kids already on other clubs is ok because others may do it (and obviously on a smaller scale)?

Express 2016 was a pathetic last seed at Tri-State, right? What does it say about the Express program, directors and coaches that they play great after they bring in players FROM OTHER TEAMS?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Again you don't get it. Why was this team handed to the express. If all these other programs were so good these kids could of played anywhere. I guess coaching and resources didn't count. Any program would have taken these kids too bad they didn't pick your kid and your program. You all blame express but you haven't gotten it they did not put them together. They have given many kids a chance too play on the island. Tell me one program that would not have taken these kids. Like a guy last night said the turtles are in a different class why aren't you crying about them
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I thought each team has a tryout every year no one is exempt isn't that true? You mean only the best kids are brought back and exempted give me a break. Hope you believe that
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
U guys make me want to PUKE with the poaching stories. Team 91 just poached every player in there program from other programs. They literally destroyed the Hills Team but it was OK because it was for the Boy$$$$$$$ yes Boy$$$$ STop the BS and go away. Its BUSINE$$$$ they all line there poaching pocket$.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Turtles only beat orange team 4 t 2
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
At the end of the day every parent should evaluate thier experience for the summer. Long Island has plenty of programs to choose from; for boys and girls. Players jump from team to team each and every year, kids have been jumping from H.S. to H.S.! If you think you had good coaching and played in quality events great..if not try another club. Stay out of the petty name calling and trash talk.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles only beat orange team 4 t 2


Turtles are 2017. Which Orange team did they beat by 2? Orange 2017 or Orange 2016?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
This board will light up like Times Square when other clubs start successfully poaching the Cuda players..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Keep the fascinating debate going! Question? And this may be old school, but why are kids going to these clubs in first place? Why aren't they staying or growing with the town they live in? Seems to be plenty of talent on the island. At the HS level the rivalry of the towns is great. A sense of community if you will - East Islip v West Islip as an example (pick whatever rivalry you like). I would think that if a team from a town like WI played in a tournament that they would fare well?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles only beat orange team 4 t 2


Turtles are 2017. Which Orange team did they beat by 2? Orange 2017 or Orange 2016?


he is referring to the 2017 team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep the fascinating debate going! Question? And this may be old school, but why are kids going to these clubs in first place? Why aren't they staying or growing with the town they live in? Seems to be plenty of talent on the island. At the HS level the rivalry of the towns is great. A sense of community if you will - East Islip v West Islip as an example (pick whatever rivalry you like). I would think that if a team from a town like WI played in a tournament that they would fare well?


In my experience, on the town teams you get a mix of players: those who are strong and those who are there for a variety of reasons (social, parents signed 'em up, whatever) but who have less skill. The stronger players end up frustrated, and while they may enjoy the social aspect of the local team they are less happy with being on the field with players who aren't as dedicated (read skilled). I'm sure I'll get flack for saying that, but it's true. These kids want to broaden their sports experience and play more competitively.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This board will light up like Times Square when other clubs start successfully poaching the Cuda players..


Another WHAAAA my kid didn't get picked. Let me guess you are also a super coach who should have played in a D1 program but got screwed by somewhaaan
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This board will light up like Times Square when other clubs start successfully poaching the Cuda players..


Another WHAAAA my kid didn't get picked. Let me guess you are also a super coach who should have played in a D1 program but got screwed by somewhaaan


What goes around...comes around...
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I would think though that these towns have some scale - an A and B? Just seems like an A team from a strong town/program (even at the youth level) like WI would be able to compete with a club team? In re reading some of these threads that there are more clubs popping up, kids switching (or being poached) that a town would be able to compete? While I'm sure some of the similar issues would exist it seems in theory that a B player would be working hard to try and make that A team, thus keeping the A player from not letting up to lose a spot - thus creating a very competitve environment? Would that B player who finally earned the A team for a town like WI might have more of a sense of pride for the town than if he made an express or 91 or other club teams mentioned here? Just a thought.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would think though that these towns have some scale - an A and B? Just seems like an A team from a strong town/program (even at the youth level) like WI would be able to compete with a club team? In re reading some of these threads that there are more clubs popping up, kids switching (or being poached) that a town would be able to compete? While I'm sure some of the similar issues would exist it seems in theory that a B player would be working hard to try and make that A team, thus keeping the A player from not letting up to lose a spot - thus creating a very competitve environment? Would that B player who finally earned the A team for a town like WI might have more of a sense of pride for the town than if he made an express or 91 or other club teams mentioned here? Just a thought.


Ya know what? Maybe. Depends on the town. My town is small, not likely we'd ever be competive with a club team. We did have A and B teams. Well, first we had two teams with the talent spread out, which frustrated the better players. Then the powers that be re-sorted the teams into true A and B, and all [lacrosse] broke loose. Lots of B players were all sorts of outraged. A lot of bad feelings toward the coaches were verbalized, people were up in arms. The league stuck to its guns and, in the end, things settled down for the most part. Some B players quit because they didn't feel they were being recognized. Oh well.
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It's one thing for a for-profit club to want to attract the best possible players. It's another for them to selectively poach players who are CURRENTLY PLAYING FOR OTHER CLUBS.

This might be the scummiest move I've ever seen in youth lacrosse. Everyone is talking about it, and I predict the Express will regret this move.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Has the Express emailed any of their original 2016 Orange families explaining (let alone apologizing) for this travesty?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Get your head out of the clouds. Players leave organizations every year. Oops didn't one of the 91 directors/owners "poach" his entire team from last year with the Express and bring them to 91 this year.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Your kidding me express orange was promised 5 games they played six. That teams season was over before the tournament in maryland. The team was terrible. Now handed a team from the outside they weren't call orange the were called the barracudas express what is your point
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your kidding me express orange was promised 5 games they played six. That teams season was over before the tournament in maryland. The team was terrible. Now handed a team from the outside they weren't call orange the were called the barracudas express what is your point


They weren't going to call the team "orange". The issue is the way this team was put together. Lots of deceipt and shady back room deals while kids were still playing for their teams. Not to mention all the garbage being posted here by one guy. If you're not happy with your situation, move on. Don't ruin it for the rest of the team (kids and parents included) because you've got an axe to grind and can post anonymously on here.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
not to worry express people. Most of the Barracuda kids from outside the express are going back to their teams anyway.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Express should just get through the tryouts and disband the Barracuda label...following the tryouts, pick all of the Cuda kids (along with a couple of kids from this year's Orange team just to quiet the peanut gallery) to be next summer's Express Orange 2016 team and be done with all of this bad publicity. There is no promise or guarentee for any kid on the 2016 Orange team from this past summer to make the team again for next summer. Problem solved for the Express...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I think they should have all tryout. If they get great talent make a barracudda team top. Travel and compete at the top level then keep your orange and blue teams as always. This makes the tryouts worth something. Johnny has to make it on his own and would get that chance. Not who has a brother who donates more or who do we not want to [lacrosse] off.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express should just get through the tryouts and disband the Barracuda label...following the tryouts, pick all of the Cuda kids (along with a couple of kids from this year's Orange team just to quiet the peanut gallery) to be next summer's Express Orange 2016 team and be done with all of this bad publicity. There is no promise or guarentee for any kid on the 2016 Orange team from this past summer to make the team again for next summer. Problem solved for the Express...

First the Turtles now the Barracudas. Of Course Tryouts and ur teams are done. I love the smell of VICTORY. The Orange team name will remain for the express. But the rising 8th Cudas will be the TEAM to beat. They will be very strong
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express should just get through the tryouts and disband the Barracuda label...following the tryouts, pick all of the Cuda kids (along with a couple of kids from this year's Orange team just to quiet the peanut gallery) to be next summer's Express Orange 2016 team and be done with all of this bad publicity. There is no promise or guarentee for any kid on the 2016 Orange team from this past summer to make the team again for next summer. Problem solved for the Express...


Yeah, I guess there's no reason to show a little loyalty to kids/parents who played for you/paid good money.

There's no issue if the Express (or any club) forms a new team with new tryouts. The issue is poaching players from other clubs DURING THE SEASON and kicking your existing players to the curb.

Doesn't matter - damage is done. The Express leadership has revealed itself to be a bunch of scumbags.
Note that we have opened a new Boys 2016 thread for discussion of all the teams across clubs in this age group. Please contribute there and reserve the Express thread for discussion of specific club issues.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
T CUDA LAX LIVES
Now stop whining and get a life
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
How many tournaments and which ones did top 2015 girls team attend this past season? I am interested in letting my daughter tryout.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
One fl$ 2016 kid was poached for the Cuda's....a bunch of the 2015 fl$ boys are going to St. Anthony's but staying with fl$ - it will be interesting to see what happens - will the coach show allegiance to Express boys over more talented fl$ boys?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Not sure the 2016 fl$ kid was poached, if you know what I'm talking about.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not sure the 2016 fl$ kid was poached, if you know what I'm talking about.


I heard the same...fl$ was happy to see the nevery satisfied father leave...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I find this very hard to believe because my son played on the same fl$ team and both the kid and the father were very well-liked by the coaches and the fl$ Director.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I find this very hard to believe because my son played on the same fl$ team and both the kid and the father were very well-liked by the coaches and the fl$ Director.


Badmouthing the whole 2016 fl$ situation and not showing up for last fl$ tournament in Boston is all that needs to be said. Whatever...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not sure the 2016 fl$ kid was poached, if you know what I'm talking about.


If the kid wasn't poached that can only mean that they are walking voluntarily because they (father and/or son) were not satisfied with the 2016 fl$ experience. If unsatisfied, I'm sure the fl$ program is happy to see them leave rather than have disgruntled parents on the team. Regardless, message to fl$...get your act together in this grade!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
The fl$ 2016 team had its challenges this summer but this kid never quit on the team. On the contrary, he often carried the team along with a few others. He couldn't make the Harvard tournament due to illness. Sounds like YOU are the bad mouthing parent.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The fl$ 2016 team had its challenges this summer but this kid never quit on the team. On the contrary, he often carried the team along with a few others. He couldn't make the Harvard tournament due to illness. Sounds like YOU are the bad mouthing parent.


Lets see who returns to fl$...that will tell alot about quitting on a program.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The fl$ 2016 team had its challenges this summer but this kid never quit on the team. On the contrary, he often carried the team along with a few others. He couldn't make the Harvard tournament due to illness. Sounds like YOU are the bad mouthing parent.


Thats not the story that's been going around...whatever, it's only one player and its only 2016. fl$ will be fine without him.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The fl$ 2016 team had its challenges this summer but this kid never quit on the team. On the contrary, he often carried the team along with a few others. He couldn't make the Harvard tournament due to illness. Sounds like YOU are the bad mouthing parent.


Don't blame the kid - he's a good kid. Its probably the father who's yanking his kid all over the place. He seemed VERY involved...a little too involved if you know what I mean.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
fl$ charges alot more than any of the local teams, yet their teams are not any better. Why are they charging so much more?
$1500 plus tournament fees, plus purchasing a helmet from them.
The coaching is not any better than anywhere else.
That is just gouging the kids for no reason. The kids they target are from the wealthier towns. I guess they figure they could afford it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
This is starting to sound like you have some kind of a personal vendetta against this father. He happens to be a real standup guy. If his kid is changing teams, you can bet it's because the kid wants it. After the experience he had playing for the 'Cuda team who can blame him. Stop badmouthing the father. You are obviously disgruntled and jealous that this kid has this opportunity so you're taking out on his father.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
fl$ charges alot more than any of the local teams, yet their teams are not any better. Why are they charging so much more?
$1500 plus tournament fees, plus purchasing a helmet from them.
The coaching is not any better than anywhere else.
That is just gouging the kids for no reason. The kids they target are from the wealthier towns. I guess they figure they could afford it.


Plus $125 just to tryout. For the Love of the $$$$$$
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
fl$ is actually charging $1,700.
amazing that is states on there site they are a non-profit.
how are you a non-profit charging more than anyone else?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is starting to sound like you have some kind of a personal vendetta against this father. He happens to be a real standup guy. If his kid is changing teams, you can bet it's because the kid wants it. After the experience he had playing for the 'Cuda team who can blame him. Stop badmouthing the father. You are obviously disgruntled and jealous that this kid has this opportunity so you're taking out on his father.


When its just one kid who is "selected" for the Cudas, who may not have even been the most talented kid on the team, it opens the door for criticism of that one kid or father from the others who feel they should have been given consideration. It's over though...lets move on...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
That kid was clearly the most talented on that team. hands down.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I want to know what all the CUDA parents are going to do when the express director starts cutting the kids who are NOT going to St. Anthonys?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is starting to sound like you have some kind of a personal vendetta against this father. He happens to be a real standup guy. If his kid is changing teams, you can bet it's because the kid wants it. After the experience he had playing for the 'Cuda team who can blame him. Stop badmouthing the father. You are obviously disgruntled and jealous that this kid has this opportunity so you're taking out on his father.


Personal vendetta? A little strong don't you think? The guy is not worth the time or effort of a "vendetta"...whatever that entails. No, just another jerky dad who has evidently fooled some as pretending to be a standup guy ...but not all.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I want to know what all the CUDA parents are going to do when the express director starts cutting the kids who are NOT going to St. Anthonys?


Teams like the Cudas may be immune from that...Besides, that may have been the case in the past but I think it is changing. They want to put the best kids out there no matter where they play high school. What good would it do for the Express brand to take a less talented St. Anthony's kid over a more productive Non-St. Anthony's kid. By doing that they would 1) Damage the brand with an inferior product on the field and 2) Develop a reputation that would keep lots of younger non-catholic school kids away from the program and therefore take a significant hit to revenue. All for what?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That kid was clearly the most talented on that team. hands down.


I can think of at least 3 kids on that team that I would consider more talented. Doesn't matter though...move on. fl$ 2016 will be fine.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Nice try. But you're not fooling anyone particularly those of us who know him. Lighten up and take you smear campaign somewhere else.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Only saw the kid play once against Team 91 at Tri-State. He was by far the best player on the field that day. He had his mark on every goal and was all over the field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
This "kid" in question should be the best player on the field. He has an early 1997 birthday! What is that all about???? and he's not the only one with a 1997 birth date (must be a "Manhasset" thing! typical!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
He has a late '97 birthday as do many of the players in this grade. Up until this year, he always played with the grade above and still excelled despite being the youngest player on the field. Most players who play up when they are young switch to playing with their grade the year before U-15.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He has a late '97 birthday as do many of the players in this grade. Up until this year, he always played with the grade above and still excelled despite being the youngest player on the field. Most players who play up when they are young switch to playing with their grade the year before U-15.


The kid has major academic problems and repeated a grade.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
come on, leave the kid out of the discussion. Shame on you guys for bashing a 14 yr old.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
come on, leave the kid out of the discussion. Shame on you guys for bashing a 14 yr old.
We have been following this discussion but the conversation has now gotten very specific. Let's throttle back on the player/parent discussion and resume the discussion thread's purpose - looking at the Express program in detail.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
We obviously are dealing with a demented forum troll who has no regard for this poor 13 yr. old boy. Back of the Cage should not encourage this type of behavior by posting these attacks specifically aimed at this poor kid and his father. Do the right thing and put a stop to this and remove any posts specifically attacking this boy...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We obviously are dealing with a demented forum troll who has no regard for this poor 13 yr. old boy. Back of the Cage should not encourage this type of behavior by posting these attacks specifically aimed at this poor kid and his father. Do the right thing and put a stop to this and remove any posts specifically attacking this boy...
Sorry, missed your name ... you were ... who? Please do not lecture about the Board Rules from an anonymous position.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I've got no stake in this, but have read about this all-star team the Express supposedly formed by poaching other teams' best players. My question is: did the club contact their existing parents to give their side of the story? Their response (or a lack therof) would be as telling about the Express and their morals as this supposed poaching.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We obviously are dealing with a demented forum troll who has no regard for this poor 13 yr. old boy. Back of the Cage should not encourage this type of behavior by posting these attacks specifically aimed at this poor kid and his father. Do the right thing and put a stop to this and remove any posts specifically attacking this boy...
Sorry, missed your name ... you were ... who? Please do not lecture about the Board Rules from an anonymous position.


I can name three or four by name after reading their posts. No need for real names.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I don't have a dog in this fight but from what I can tell Express did nothing wrong here...I'm sure all of the players on this year's Orange team will have a chance to tryout and play for the same team again. What's the big deal?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We obviously are dealing with a demented forum troll who has no regard for this poor 13 yr. old boy. Back of the Cage should not encourage this type of behavior by posting these attacks specifically aimed at this poor kid and his father. Do the right thing and put a stop to this and remove any posts specifically attacking this boy...
Sorry, missed your name ... you were ... who? Please do not lecture about the Board Rules from an anonymous position.


I can name three or four by name after reading their posts. No need for real names.


I'm 100% sure neither the Express nor any parent has done anything illegal in forming a new team. So, relax, nobody will ever remember two years from now what all the fuss was about. Don't like where it leaves your kid's team now? Get your own team together for next summer! Any problems with any individuals on the Cuda should also be addressed in person, not anonymously online.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't have a dog in this fight but from what I can tell Express did nothing wrong here...I'm sure all of the players on this year's Orange team will have a chance to tryout and play for the same team again. What's the big deal?


Let's see. The Express puts together their team for 2016. Parents pay good money for their sons. The team turns out to be lousy. So for the final tournament, some kids are kicked off in favor of some kids they poached who had already made/played for other teams.

Yeah, nothing slimy about that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't have a dog in this fight but from what I can tell Express did nothing wrong here...I'm sure all of the players on this year's Orange team will have a chance to tryout and play for the same team again. What's the big deal?


Let's see. The Express puts together their team for 2016. Parents pay good money for their sons. The team turns out to be lousy. So for the final tournament, some kids are kicked off in favor of some kids they poached who had already made/played for other teams.

Yeah, nothing slimy about that.



What?! Really?! I seriously doubt any kid was "kicked off" an Express team before the season was over. The last tournament on the Express 2016 schedule was the Jersey Shootout and I doubt any kids were told not to show up for that tournament. That would be a first for any lax club unless there were discipline problems.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I agree that anything that is said about a child that can be identified to a specific child should be removed. It is a sad day for us as adults to comment on a child who can be identified by his friends. In this day and age of computer and cyber bullying, I believe it should be the duty of the administrator to remove the posts. If god forbid this child sees this and acts out by hurting himself or others who will take the responsibility? Facebook and others have taken a stance on this so Mr administrator please do the right thing and remove the reference to the kid. Thanks for the consideration
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree that anything that is said about a child that can be identified to a specific child should be removed. It is a sad day for us as adults to comment on a child who can be identified by his friends. In this day and age of computer and cyber bullying, I believe it should be the duty of the administrator to remove the posts.
The problem is that the attitude exists in the first place.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If god forbid this child sees this and acts out by hurting himself or others who will take the responsibility? Facebook and others have taken a stance on this so Mr administrator please do the right thing and remove the reference to the kid. Thanks for the consideration
Send us an e-mail to cagesage@backofthecage.com with the details of how to contact you and the detailed reasons for your position and it will be reviewed by our moderators. In short, our view has been that nothing to this point can be pinned to one specific parent, child, or family.

If you feel differently, please send us an e-mail with the details. A subsequent anonymous post will NOT get the job done. Your alternative is to become a registered user and report the details to us. Again, this is one of the reasons that membership on BOTC is recommended.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
A word of caution to the person or persons posting disparaging information about a minor on the web. You should be aware of the laws regarding cyberbullying and cyberharassment. Here it is straight from New [lacrosse] State Penal Code. Sanctions range from misdemeanors to felonies. I would be very careful what I put out on the internet these days...
§ 240.30 Aggravated harassment in the second degree.
Cyberbullying and Cyberharassment usually pertains to threatening or harassing email messages, instant messages, or to blog entries or websites dedicated solely to tormenting an individual. A person is guilty of aggravated harassment in the second degree when, with intent to harass, annoy, threaten or alarm another person, he or she:
1. Either (a) communicates with a person, anonymously or otherwise, by telephone, by telegraph, or by mail, or by transmitting or delivering any other form of written communication, in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm; or (b) causes a communication to be initiated by mechanical or electronic means or otherwise with a person,anonymously or otherwise, by telephone, by telegraph, or by mail, or by transmitting or delivering any other form of written communication, in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm
AAWW Man, leave it legalities (not reason) to stop the soap opera. I guess I'll get back to work now.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
There is an email going to 2016 players. the subject title is "Barracudas" or something like that. This email implies that there is some training related to a tryout for the Barracudas. this is not the case. this is another scam by the express to get some more $$$ out of people while the "Barracuda" team is a hot topic.
There won't be any more players added to that team.
don't be fooled by it
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is an email going to 2016 players. the subject title is "Barracudas" or something like that. This email implies that there is some training related to a tryout for the Barracudas. this is not the case. this is another scam by the express to get some more $$$ out of people while the "Barracuda" team is a hot topic.
There won't be any more players added to that team.
don't be fooled by it


Did anyone actually get this email or is it an urban legend?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is an email going to 2016 players. the subject title is "Barracudas" or something like that. This email implies that there is some training related to a tryout for the Barracudas. this is not the case. this is another scam by the express to get some more $$$ out of people while the "Barracuda" team is a hot topic.
There won't be any more players added to that team.
don't be fooled by it


Did anyone actually get this email or is it an urban legend?



???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is an email going to 2016 players. the subject title is "Barracudas" or something like that. This email implies that there is some training related to a tryout for the Barracudas. this is not the case. this is another scam by the express to get some more $$$ out of people while the "Barracuda" team is a hot topic.
There won't be any more players added to that team.
don't be fooled by it


Did anyone actually get this email or is it an urban legend?



???


They only sent it to the best players. If you did not get one, well....
Anonymous = Incredulous

Man up and register, accountability matters.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is an email going to 2016 players. the subject title is "Barracudas" or something like that. This email implies that there is some training related to a tryout for the Barracudas. this is not the case. this is another scam by the express to get some more $$$ out of people while the "Barracuda" team is a hot topic.
There won't be any more players added to that team.
don't be fooled by it


Did anyone actually get this email or is it an urban legend?



???


They only sent it to the best players. If you did not get one, well....


LOL. I doubt the email exists. If they have all the best players already, why the need for the email? The original post mentioned about using it as a revenue generator. I doubt the express is going to invite a bunch of kids to try out for a team they don't have a chance of making. They don't need the bad publicity. Besides, if a kid goes to the scheduled express tryouts and is good enought for the Barracudas and they want him on the team, they'll ask. Otherwise, the kid will go back to his normal team as the 2016 express orange and white teams are not comptetitive with the other programs on the Island.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Let's give credit when credit is due. LI Express puts quality teams on the field at every age level. The 2016 team took a beating and they are taking the steps to improve that team. People call it poaching but every year clubs lose and gain kids that way. The organization has the top teams (2012,2013,2014, 2015, 2017, 2018).
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Express 2019 had a pretty good year as well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's give credit when credit is due. LI Express puts quality teams on the field at every age level. The 2016 team took a beating and they are taking the steps to improve that team. People call it poaching but every year clubs lose and gain kids that way. The organization has the top teams (2012,2013,2014, 2015, 2017, 2018).


The difference is that everyone else in this country doesn't do it in the middle of the season and steal players who have already committed/played for other clubs.

The Express have confirmed themselves as the dirt bags of lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express 2019 had a pretty good year as well.


You realize you are touting the accomplishments of 10 year old boys who are going into 5th grade, right?

You need to seek treatment.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
The summer season was over! How can you say in the middle of the season? Ask yourself this question, what would you have said if your son was asked to play on that Barracuda team? Be honest!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
The tournament was after the season. Get over it. No commitments were asked for or gotten above and beyond the one tournament. They did well at the tournament, will the boys/parents probably look to keep it together. Probably but who cares they are going into 8th grade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The summer season was over! How can you say in the middle of the season? Ask yourself this question, what would you have said if your son was asked to play on that Barracuda team? Be honest!


First of all, my son plays with his friends on a team much better than Express 2016 Orange. Our goal is for him to have fun with his buddies and get better.

Second, did they have an open tryout for this new team?

Third, did they invite all the Express Orange 2016 kids to go with them? No, some of them got kicked to the curb in favor of these 13 year old mercenaries. What kind of message does that send to all the Express kids/parents?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The summer season was over! How can you say in the middle of the season? Ask yourself this question, what would you have said if your son was asked to play on that Barracuda team? Be honest!


You seriously think the team was put together in a week? It was put together during the summer tournament season. My guess is at least 5 or 6 weeks to pull it all together. Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes I'm sure. Maybe even a practice or two during before the summer season ended. There was even talk here that one boy missed the last tournament with his regular team to play.

Let's face it, there's enough talent on LI to put together another team or two like this.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA my kid wasn't picked. Enough!!! move on with the poaching stories the crying, the endless BS. We all know the season was over. If they leave their old teams so be it. SO its less money in 1 programs pocket and more in another. The only way you could consider it poaching was if these travel teams were free. But since we all PAY TOP DOLLAR Shut up already. Try outs are next month.So you know what that means, have your son try out and if he is good enough he'll make it. Or don't and stay on here and cry or maybe you are a rival team director/owner?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA my kid wasn't picked. Enough!!! move on with the poaching stories the crying, the endless BS. We all know the season was over. If they leave their old teams so be it. SO its less money in 1 programs pocket and more in another. The only way you could consider it poaching was if these travel teams were free. But since we all PAY TOP DOLLAR Shut up already. Try outs are next month.So you know what that means, have your son try out and if he is good enough he'll make it. Or don't and stay on here and cry or maybe you are a rival team director/owner?


Why would I want my son involved with this mess? Maybe you should enlighten us with the true story of this team so all the speculation can be finally put to rest.
What's with all these anonymous drive bys. I don't want to know who you are, but not being involved with the express and the best ten year old laxers ever; By logging in would be more entertaining to keep track of which is knucklehead is which!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I do not get it. Every season I see kids move from one team to another. Every season i see new teams start up.The clubs do not own the rights to these kids so to say they are being poached is silly.We in the past tried to keep our town teams together but always had a few kids leave for travel teams thinking they were above the other kids on the team, usually a season later they were back playing with their friends.To be honest it seems its all about ego's on both sided of this one.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
If what you want for your son is for him to have fun and learn you are in the wrong venue! Thats what PAL and the Nickerson beach league is for. Good luck, you need it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
It's unprecedented. If the Express had a tryout in September and put this team together, nobody would be saying anything. But as someone said, at least one kid abandonded his own team who still had a summer tournament yet to play.

Poaching players during the summer is an all-time low. As someone said, this was in the works all summer - whom to raid, how to put the team together. All because the Express 2016 Orange team was putrid. What happened to commitment and honor? I guess the Express doesn't know that is. No shock considering they are a for-profit that is among the most expensive in the area.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I don't think the people who put this Barracuda team together fully realize what kind of person they got involved with at the LI EXpress. They are in for a rude awakening very soon when he takes complete control over it and they are all a non-factor in anything that the team does.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
2016 Express Barracuda's
You guys have to calm down. Enjoy it while it lasts.
If your son is on the Cuda team, let your kid enjoy it.
If your not, find a team that's good for your son.
There are plenty of good kids in each age group.
Express is a money machine. They produce some very good teams but the majority of their teams are flat out awful.
Its also time for the to update their website. It says voted #1 club team in the country. That was from 3 or 4 years ago...


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
With so many teams to pick from for a kid to play with. What is the big deal. All I read about is everyone complaining of a good team. With all the teams popping up for profit I am sure this will be the rule not the exception in the coming years. I do know that the express did not put this team together. Maybe the outlaws, team 91, jesters, team long island, riptide, raiders, fl$, maveriks and junior lizards, should team up to field a team to compete at this level and each game is run by a different organization lets see if jonny would make this team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Whoever was on the express Orange 2016 last year and was not picked for the Barracudas, then you are now obviously on the "B" team of the Express. Go find yourselves a good A team out there and be happy. You are crazy to give the Express any more of your money.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Whoever was on the express Orange 2016 last year and was not picked for the Barracudas, then you are now obviously on the "B" team of the Express. Go find yourselves a good A team out there and be happy. You are crazy to give the Express any more of your money.


I'm hoping this team of mercenaries stays together and plays a full slate of tournaments next summer. And then for the last one, I hope they poach some new players and dump some former "Baracuddas". LOL - that would be awesome. This program has no class or loyalty to anyone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Still crying HUH go back to your program and build that great team! stop crying about 13 yr olds playing for a different program. Better yet start your own super program I am sure you are an excellent coach and player. You probably are a D1 caliber player that just didn't play in college cause well... u know. Your kid is the best, or could be the best on the team and politics got in the way.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm hoping this team of mercenaries stays together and plays a full slate of tournaments next summer. And then for the last one, I hope they poach some new players and dump some former "Baracuddas". LOL - that would be awesome. This program has no class or loyalty to anyone.


Doesn't sound very fair to the kids. However you fell about this team, the boys are not the issue and shouldn't be dragged into this.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
You know the Express did not put this together? If they did not then that logically means parents did. This kind of manipulation is worse. One parent who has a good lefty middie for example made sure there were not a lot those, this way playing time assured while getting other players to compliment their kid. This whole thing stinks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Try out they need a lefty middie. my kid wears roller blades made for turf. he really gets around. When i move to NY (NEVER) I want to meet you idiots posting this crap. Why don't you try this, take your agenda your crying towel, and your toys and go play baseball (with a Tee)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
No wonder your sons didn't get the call. What coach in his right mind would want to deal with you whining parents. Are you going to cry to the teacher that didn't give your son an A? the college coach who didn't recruit him? the girl who broke up with him, the employer who fired him? Get the picture. Grow up, move on an teach your children well so they can fend for themselves later in life.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I see the scumbags who run the Express have entered their mercenary team in the NPYLL Fall Fest. I'm sure the parents who paid top dollar to be part of the Express 2016 Orange really appreciate the loyalty of the Express leadership. Those guys really teach high morals.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
quit
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Look, Express is Express. They are mostly concerned about there top team in every grade. Blue team as well, when they get into 9th grade and above. They care about the pictures on the web site... Not there to develope your kid. (you need to do that) They want super stars today! If your son isn't one, they'll find another one that is. It is, what it is. You either deal with it, or play on one of the other 20+ travel teams. Trust me, you will not change any minds!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
What's your deal? Is it that your son wasn't ask to play on the team or do you just object to the concept of an "all-star" team. If it is the loyalty issue, you need a quick dose of reality. Each year kids try out to play for any of the top club teams. If you think that the Express is any different then any of the other top club teams you are sadly mistaken. They all hold tryouts and unfortunately they will all have to make decisions in reference to the weaker 4-5 players on each of their teams. This happens every year and not just in lacrosse. The only way they can continue to compete with the other top teams is to look to improve year to year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
No deal.
Do you not understand the concept of a business? Far different than the concept of a an "All Star team" With an all star team you pick your talent and play. With a business, you change the team during the season after people have paid. It's called bait and switch. An under handed business practice as old as dirt. No issues with tryouts, making teams or not making teams.
This is what happens when the lines between sport and for profit business blurr. Express was the only game in town for years. Now there is competition in the market. Express is just going to do whatever they need to do to protect the brand. More so, than other clubs.
Trying to explain to the person that called the Express people "scumbags". They aren't, they're just interested in doing what's best for thier business.
Sometimes people have trouble understanding reality.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
If the Express already has their "A" team set with the Barracudas, why would any player want to tryout for the Express if they have no shot at making the "A" team ?
Why waste your time if your an exceptional player? The orange team certainly won't be an A caliber team and that's the team you would end up on.
Find another place to play
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the Express already has their "A" team set with the Barracudas, why would any player want to tryout for the Express if they have no shot at making the "A" team ?
Why waste your time if your an exceptional player? The orange team certainly won't be an A caliber team and that's the team you would end up on.
Find another place to play


I wonder which club leader wrote this stupid statement. People will try anything to dissuade kids from trying out for the Express.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
There is alot of complaining going around. It all stems from a kid making an elite lacrosse team. Go to the tryouts and watch. I gaurantee that the top kids will be barracuda players. If this is true why shouldn't they make the team and the others play on orange team. There are parents trying to push there kids onto this team thru the directors. Why should they carry your kid if he can't use his left hand. I have watched 2 of the 3 directors clinics in the last 2 weeks. There is not 1 kid that plays at the level the barracuda kids play at enough said
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
There are plenty of players out there who are better than some of the Barracuda kids. If they try out and are better, why shouldn't they be put on the Barracuda team instead of the Orange team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are plenty of players out there who are better than some of the Barracuda kids. If they try out and are better, why shouldn't they be put on the Barracuda team instead of the Orange team?


I doubt the tryouts will include the Barracuda team. They may add one or two players if they are exceptional but,it's a long shot.

You guys spend way too much time worrying about this team. They are a good team but they are not unbeatable. There is too much competition on the Island from the other clubs. The clubs that lost players will reload and you will soon be talking about another squad at this age group.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I agree
if they are better, than why do they have to go on the B team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree
if they are better, than why do they have to go on the B team?


Politics. Sometimes it's who you know.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are plenty of players out there who are better than some of the Barracuda kids. If they try out and are better, why shouldn't they be put on the Barracuda team instead of the Orange team?


I doubt the tryouts will include the Barracuda team. They may add one or two players if they are exceptional but,it's a long shot.

You guys spend way too much time worrying about this team. They are a good team but they are not unbeatable. There is too much competition on the Island from the other clubs. The clubs that lost players will reload and you will soon be talking about another squad at this age group.
We certainly agree here at BOTC that way too much time and effort is being dedicated to the Barracuda versus Orange debate. Provided that BOTH teams are able to get into the same showcase events moving forward (which should happen given the strength of the Express brand and the strength of the teams), there is absolutely nothing lost for the boys or this age group.

Now, whether some other clubs are losing top players from their "A" squads to man both the Barracuda and Orange teams in parallel is another subject entirely; one which is driven by both financial and club recognition (competition) issues.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
spoken like a true shill for the express
Originally Posted by Anonymous
spoken like a true shill for the express
Take a close look around BOTC - advertisers, tournaments, tryouts. You are not going to find too much "Express" coverage right now.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Express doesn't pay BOTC that why you don't see any news on tryouts for them.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express doesn't pay BOTC that why you don't see any news on tryouts for them.
Well, OK.

Truth be told, BOTC has never been able to "hook up" with the Express. None the less, all evidence is that the Express run a quality program here on Long Island. BOTC believes that the Express program is trying to bring out the very best in Long Island lacrosse with a strong focus on the boys action.

As for tryout postings, the rules for tryouts have been well published for some time.

Thanks for posting.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
160 kids at 2016 tryout today. Quite a few Raider, 91 and fl$ helmets.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Well well tryouts last night maybe 2 kids shined with the barracuda kids, For all you cridics express got a huge turn out but the talent that was there shows who ever put these kids together knew what he was doing
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
patting yourself on the back again eh
what's a cridic ? is that like a yute?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well well tryouts last night maybe 2 kids shined with the barracuda kids, For all you cridics express got a huge turn out but the talent that was there shows who ever put these kids together knew what he was doing


Ever notice how there's a direct correlation between idiotic posts and the number of grammatical/spelling mistakes?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
160 kids at 2016 tryout today. Quite a few Raider, 91 and fl$ helmets.


That's funny. Raiders are the only team I know of who are not holding tryouts for their 2016 team. I have to assume they already have commitments from the players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Big turn out? Yes. Funny though, I did not see the cuda kids seperated from the rest. Did I miss something or do you just happen to know entire cuda team? Does the person who put the cuda team together know what they are doing? Yes, that's what happens when you take the best kids from every program and put them together
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Kind of odd that the 'cuda team had to try out. Wonder if that means they aren't satisfied with the team or if several of the kids are not returning. Do the kids on the turtles have to try out?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
CLASSIC!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Yes they do
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
No cudas did not have to tryout, nor do the turtles. The "clinics" and tryouts serve as a platform to fill in a spot or 2 for those teams. The rest of the players are then filtered down to the rest of the Express teams. Question though? How is the coaching for the other Express teams? In other words I'm sure there is a pecking order of coaching talent/ability. I can't imagine the cudas getting the mid to lower pecking order of coaching? Where does that leave the rest of Express teams?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Absolutely wrong in your comment about tryouts. Cudas DID tryout, each and everyone was there. Please get your facts correct before posting trash !!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
The lower the team you're on, the worse the coaching and attention. Some teams last year didnt even have a coach in place until a day or two before the second tournament! (Don't get mad Express guys, its just a fact.)
As they get older, it's mostly all about St. Anthonys and some Chaminade kids. If you're not one of them, your kid had better be off the charts. Good luck!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Absolutely wrong in your comment about tryouts. Cudas DID tryout, each and everyone was there. Please get your facts correct before posting trash !!


All the cudas were not there. Unless they decided to move on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Absolutely wrong in your comment about tryouts. Cudas DID tryout, each and everyone was there. Please get your facts correct before posting trash !!


WOW! I doubt they actually tried out. Too much money already invested in the team by the parents and the Express to have open try outs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Not sure where in post it said cudas weren't there??? It says they did not have to tryout? Fact - cudas is invitation, don't beleive it? Just ask one. How come Express does not have the cuda team picture on its winners photo album this year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not sure where in post it said cudas weren't there??? It says they did not have to tryout? Fact - cudas is invitation, don't beleive it? Just ask one. How come Express does not have the cuda team picture on its winners photo album this year?


The Express deserve all the bad press they are getting. Whoever heard of a club kicking its existing A team players to the curb in favor of a bunch of mercenaries? They are really teaching admirable life lessons over there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Outlaws had 80 kids at try out Same time as express-which was posted after outlaws set there time. 2016 Black had every kid from last summer, but one at try out, They are very loyal to there kids. Having 2nd one this week at 430 at walt Whitman high school to complete 2 teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How come Express does not have the cuda team picture on its winners photo album this year?


Because they want to keep their 2016 non-cuda parents in the dark as long as possible so they don't move on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Wasn't at the Outlaw tryout but one thing that I have noticed - you never see any West Islip kids at ANY club tryouts it seems. Anyone know what they are doing over there to get there kids to stay?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Great point!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
For the older H.S. kids, the case is they tend to play together in the summer. However, the recent trend for lower grades(8th grade and below)is some players are going to Express and Team 91. So much for staying with the team. Seeing this trend upsets me as a W.I. parent because I don't think we will be a stellar H.S.program in a few years. Still good and competitive, but other programs that have copied West Islip's stay together scheme such as Smithtown, Half Hollow Hills,Northport will be on par or better.Look at Three Village (Ward Melville) and Manhasset.They keep those kids together year round,both advanced and lesser skilled players. Unfortunately, some of our younger teams aren't taking advantage of all the summer tournaments right here on L.I.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
There are many town teams that do not let their kids play travel teams (West Islip, Shoreham etc.). The coaches believe that keeping their kids together will make a better varsity team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
For the older H.S. kids, the case is they tend to play together in the summer. However, the recent trend for lower grades(8th grade and below)is some players are going to Express and Team 91. So much for staying with the team. Seeing this trend upsets me as a W.I. parent because I don't think we will be a stellar H.S.program in a few years. Still good and competitive, but other programs that have copied West Islip's stay together scheme such as Smithtown, Half Hollow Hills,Northport will be on par or better.Look at Three Village (Ward Melville) and Manhasset.They keep those kids together year round,both advanced and lesser skilled players. Unfortunately, some of our younger teams aren't taking advantage of all the summer tournaments right here on L.I.
That is great for the bigger programs, which all of them besides Manhasset are big schools. Most of the smaller schools don't have the commitment or the numbers to rely on the school teams. Those programs will benefit from the better kids playing with better players and better competition.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
There is no more Barracuda team. It's all Express Orange now.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is no more Barracuda team. It's all Express Orange now.


??? They are scheduled to play a tournament in November.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Yep and they will go in as express orange. Express has taken over the team now and it no longer will be known as Barracudas.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
They need to update this link...

http://npyl2.net/index.php
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
The calls went out already for the Orange or "A" team. If you didn't get a call you are not on it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Why would any parent give the Express their money when the Express has proven that they will drop your kid at any moment during the season? Just a matter of time before this sham of a team implodes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
That's funny, the 'cuda uniforms had express written all over them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Why would they make the Cudas an A team instead of AA team if they were that good. From what I understand they already had an A & B team last year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
There is no more Barracudas. It's been abolished. It's all Express Orange now.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why would they make the Cudas an A team instead of AA team if they were that good. From what I understand they already had an A & B team last year.


I guess the cudas only exist in our imaginations from now on. LOL What a mess this turned out to be.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
best team on long island
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yep and they will go in as express orange. Express has taken over the team now and it no longer will be known as Barracudas.


Does anyone really know what really is going on ??? If you do I would sure like to hear from you. We were told at the tryouts that there would be an AA, A & B team for 2016 graduates. It would make sense to make the Barracudas the AA team if they are the super stars they are made out to be. Then have an A & B team like they had last year. Unless they are afraid to have them play U15 AA. Unfortunately every travel team has politics and their own agenda. If you actually check out the NYPPL site for the fall tournament that the so called non existent Barracudas are scheduled for, they are on the schedule as LI Express Barracudas U15 AA.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
best team on long island


You must be one of the parents of a Barracuda. You can not possibly believe that the 20 kids on this team are the only talented kids on Long Island.
express will have 2 aa teams and 1 b team thats it
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Hey , they will have 1 AA Team and any other team will be B+ at Best, DO NOT LET THEM SELL YOU THAT THEY ARE ANY BETTER THAN THAT. If you Put your kid on a 2nd team and buy that they are a A team, Shame on You!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
the express will have as many teams as people pay for, even if they have 23 kids on the team. you pay you play. the good catholics couldnt possibly refuse your charitable donation.
god bless. there will be a aaa, aa, a, a+, aaaa, etc team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Were calls made for all of the 2016 teams? Or just the Orange team? Is this a fact? Do you have a kid on the Orange team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Obviously they will have an AA, A and B team if there are indeed three teams - nobody has two AAs.

Based on their track record, stay away from this program if your son doesn't make the AA team. In fact, it's probably best to stay away from the Express. Period.

Whoever heard of submitting to the egos of a bunch of kids and coaches by giving them special names like "Tenacious Turtles" and "Barracudas"? What kind of message does that send to the rest of your program?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey , they will have 1 AA Team and any other team will be B+ at Best, DO NOT LET THEM SELL YOU THAT THEY ARE ANY BETTER THAN THAT. If you Put your kid on a 2nd team and buy that they are a A team, Shame on You!


Did you go to the tryouts and see what the talent was or are you just talking ? Was last years A team really a B team ? If the Barracudas are the AA team which most of those kids came from other travel teams then why would they not have another legit AA or A team ? I know for a fact that there were at least 20 kids at the tryouts from a fall league that was put together the same way the Barracudas were. Why wouldn't they be a real AA or A team ? They are a very talented group of kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
the express will have as many teams as people pay for, even if they have 23 kids on the team. you pay you play. the good catholics couldnt possibly refuse your charitable donation.
god bless. there will be a aaa, aa, a, a+, aaaa, etc team.


All travel teams do the same thing. If there are enough kids they will find coaching and make a team. It is a business and it is that simple. As long as they put them in the correct division at tournaments it should not matter. The unfortunate thing is that most parents are not truthful to their kids about their abilities. Not every kid is going to be a super stud and if they want to play let them play.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
i have an older boy at st anthonys, i graduated from st anthonys. can i get my new to lacrosse younger son on the orange team. answer is, depends on how much you donated this yr. some private leassons from the puppet master doesnt hurt either. just a bit of conflict of interest there. if i pay you 70 bucks an hour for lessons times 15 lessons can my kid play on the orange team. answer is, he may need more lessons.but yes he can be on the orange team so long as i have my AA team stocked with the baracuda boys.
KEEP PAYING KEEP PLAYING
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
the express will have as many teams as people pay for, even if they have 23 kids on the team. you pay you play. the good catholics couldnt possibly refuse your charitable donation.
god bless. there will be a aaa, aa, a, a+, aaaa, etc team.


truer words were never spoken.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I believe only the Orange 2016 team got the call so far. I don't think anyone else will get the call until everyone commits to the orange team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I have a son on the Orange call was made , email sent, and deposit date given
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I believe only the Orange 2016 team got the call so far. I don't think anyone else will get the call until everyone commits to the orange team.


I heard that 19 out of the 22 kids on the Orange (Cudas)team are going to St. Anthony's. It makes you think how this team was really put together before the tryouts. The Express obviously have their own agenda.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have a son on the Orange call was made , email sent, and deposit date given


Is he going to St. Anthony's ???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
You want to know what happened to the Barracudas, players and the parent organizers?
See post 3090
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
No he is not and less than half have spoken about sending there boys to St. Anthonys. It is hard to say any # are going since the entrance exam has not taken place. Don't believe all you hear
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No he is not and less than half have spoken about sending there boys to St. Anthonys. It is hard to say any # are going since the entrance exam has not taken place. Don't believe all you hear

Stop already. it is a catholic school feeder program! plain and simple. Unless of course your kid is off the charts, then they will use him to better the team. Bottom line is that if you are thinking of going to St. A's then they tell you "if you don't play here you probably won't have a good chance of playing at St. A's" (all BS! If you are great you will play anyway).If you don't plan on going to St. A's then "we are not like that, it dosn't matter we play the best kids". Either way they get your money! Hats off to them! It's America and people beleive what they want to believe! They are obviously very successful businessmen! They know that the fear of "not doing everything you possibly can for your kid" will pull you in. Most of the time they are right!Most people can't see through the BS! All the Express see is about $800-1k profit/kid. The American dream! Don't hate! It is what it is!At least you get your kid on the Under Armour Team! Its all about money and politics not who actually desrves it!It is a shame but it pays the bills!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
i love jack an going to miss him an his hard work .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No he is not and less than half have spoken about sending there boys to St. Anthonys. It is hard to say any # are going since the entrance exam has not taken place. Don't believe all you hear


I heard from a parent of the orange team that 19 out of 22 told the express their kids would be going to St. Anthony's. It really doesn't matter because what the Express did was just take people's money for the tryouts. They knew thay had their AA team with the Barracudas and they had most of their A team with a group of kids from the Raiders. I am sure they filled the balance of their A team with last years Express kids and their B team as well. There was a lot of great talent at the tryouts that will not make any of the teams because of all of the politics that the Express is wrapped up in. I hope they can sleep at night.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You want to know what happened to the Barracudas, players and the parent organizers?
See post 3090


I read the post and you are absolutely correct. I have only been involved with this group for a short time and I can tell you it is only about money and St. Anthony's. They knew exactly how they were putting their 3 teams together before the tryouts.They just sucked everyone in and took their money. The sad thing is that any kid that was on the Express last year will end up on the B team. I know a kid that was on their AA team last year. They were originally going to send him to St. Anthony's and for what ever reason decided not to.The entry exam is in October (way before the summer tournaments start). He was never treated the same after that. That kid only faced off (because he was very good) and then he was taken off the field. That was the extent of his playing time. So who ever told the Express you were going to St. Anthony's that better be the case or you are history.I just can not believe the people that run this organization don't burst into flames when they walk into St. Anthony's.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Who is Jack?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
and the program should be truthful about developmental players on a team with B players. it becomes very unfair to both kids when one has been playing for some time and can handle a stick, knows where to line up and doesnt think this is some kind of lacrosse play date. then the developmental kid, who really just made a donation to the express goes in the game, regardless of what level, and loses the game for the team. not what i want to pay thousands of dollars for and waste my time. tuition, travel expenses, hotels, etc.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
yes you are correct
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
wow express orange team now has an attack player from the white team . boy what 1500 dollars an a dream can do .so all you other 90 attack guys at the tryout thanks for the donation of 75 dollars.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
has the white team been announced?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
yes. But the superstar hills attack player is on orange
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
mr mi off
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Yea $1,400 bucks and alot of tail-between-legs groveling.
Priceless.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
wow i saw the cudas play SWR this weekend,wow soild d .good middies

Who was there attack it looked like they took some turtles kids. Anybody know who these kids are . Future duke players WOW
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
yea but he was the best 91 attack
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
WOW! Delusional and pathetic parent ragging on kids.Really need to get a hold of yourself. No, I do not have a kid on Express and have not been involved with program.Just someone who found site looking for tryout info and found the reality that some parents are really sick.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Well said. You are all out of control. There is no reason to be talking about children the way you are. If you don't like a specific program then dont have your child play there.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
wow i saw the cudas play SWR this weekend,wow soild d .good middies

Who was there attack it looked like they took some turtles kids. Anybody know who these kids are . Future duke players WOW


If it was @ Farmingdale none of those kids are on the Cuda's. They are just a bunch of kids from different teams that wanted to play fall ball. There is a lot of talent on LI !!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Laxlives
Originally Posted by Anonymous
wow i saw the cudas play SWR this weekend,wow soild d .good middies

Who was there attack it looked like they took some turtles kids. Anybody know who these kids are . Future duke players WOW


If it was @ Farmingdale none of those kids are on the Cuda's. They are just a bunch of kids from different teams that wanted to play fall ball. There is a lot of talent on LI !!!!


SWR Played Northport-- Sounds like disgruntled parents crying again that their kid wasn't picked for the Cuda team. Maybe it's time to go away and stay on 91's board and whine
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Laxlives
Originally Posted by Anonymous
wow i saw the cudas play SWR this weekend,wow soild d .good middies

Who was there attack it looked like they took some turtles kids. Anybody know who these kids are . Future duke players WOW


If it was @ Farmingdale none of those kids are on the Cuda's. They are just a bunch of kids from different teams that wanted to play fall ball. There is a lot of talent on LI !!!!


The cudas (at least the version that played in the summer) no longer exist. From everything being posted, the express is calling there top team "orange" again next year. If I have the facts correct, one of 91 dads wanted to put his version of a dream team together because his son wasn't getting sufficient playing time with 91 and wanted him to be showcased. He took the team to the express who added a few of their own kids. Whether or not the express did the right thing by accepting the offer is another matter since it's obvious that it took several weeks to put everything together during the spring/summer tournament schedule for both 91 and the express.

Even if the express still uses the cuda name, it will be a very different team next year as far the players are concerned. If they play at this same level remains to be seen. The express was weak last year at the 2016 level and they need to upgrade before the few good players they have started leaving for greener pastures elsewhere. You can't put a team into the U-15 championship that hasn't won anything in several years. Besides, this is exactly how the express built their 2015 orange team.

Also, I wish people would leave the boys out of the posts. The cudas or express has nothing to do with them as individuals.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Does anyone know if the Express has contacted 2016 kids who did not make the top team? And is the top team now called Orange vs the Cuda name?..Why couldnt they keep it?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
If it was at Farmingdale than it was the Lax Pro team, very talented bunch of kids who are just playing together for the fall from what I understand
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
who was the dad
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
good team .should beat most 6th grade teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
good team .should beat most 6th grade teams



They're 8th graders
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
It's an 8th grade team, not a 6th grade team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
who was the dad


Don't know. Just putting together what I got fror various posts here. I'm sure the powers to be @ 91 are well aware of the situation and what's going on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Will someone please tell SWR and Northport that they are town teams and should break up and and do strictly club teams. really, who do they think they are trying to keep their kids together?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Laxlives
Originally Posted by Anonymous
wow i saw the cudas play SWR this weekend,wow soild d .good middies

Who was there attack it looked like they took some turtles kids. Anybody know who these kids are . Future duke players WOW


If it was @ Farmingdale none of those kids are on the Cuda's. They are just a bunch of kids from different teams that wanted to play fall ball. There is a lot of talent on LI !!!!


SWR Played Northport-- Sounds like disgruntled parents crying again that their kid wasn't picked for the Cuda team. Maybe it's time to go away and stay on 91's board and whine


Like I said they are a bunch of kids from different teams not Northport. Some are from Comsewogue, Rocky Point, Northport, Smithtown etc. . The guy that put it together is from Northport. Honestly who cares about the Cuda's. It is just one team with talented players. There are a lot of talented players on LI and talented teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Trying to keep up with what has been said about the Express program. From what I've read, what they did is unprecedented. It's one thing to be a for-profit business. It's another to treat kids and families like dirt and toss them to the side when someone better comes along.

Forget this Barracudda name. From now on, let's refer to the Express as the "Poachers". More appropriate nickname, I think.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will someone please tell SWR and Northport that they are town teams and should break up and and do strictly club teams. really, who do they think they are trying to keep their kids together?


The team that was called Northport is really Lax Pro and the directors of the league put them on the schedule as Northport Lax Pro. They are not a town team, but a team much like the Cuda's. They are kids from several different travel teams that came together to only play for the fall. Some towm teams do very well against travel teams. It is a matter of opinion which is best to do town vs. travel.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Laxlives
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will someone please tell SWR and Northport that they are town teams and should break up and and do strictly club teams. really, who do they think they are trying to keep their kids together?


The team that was called Northport is really Lax Pro and the directors of the league put them on the schedule as Northport Lax Pro. They are not a town team, but a team much like the Cuda's. They are kids from several different travel teams that came together to only play for the fall. Some towm teams do very well against travel teams. It is a matter of opinion which is best to do town vs. travel.


I totally agree with you! Some town teams are full of talent, others have only a few kids with talent. It's hard for some kids to be challenged and to grow if they stay with a town team that does not have decent coaching or competitive playing. I'm all for loyalty, but my kid and his growth and development come first in my mind and if he's going to have a better experience playing with a travel club that that's the route I'll choose
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Laxlives
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will someone please tell SWR and Northport that they are town teams and should break up and and do strictly club teams. really, who do they think they are trying to keep their kids together?


The team that was called Northport is really Lax Pro and the directors of the league put them on the schedule as Northport Lax Pro. They are not a town team, but a team much like the Cuda's. They are kids from several different travel teams that came together to only play for the fall. Some towm teams do very well against travel teams. It is a matter of opinion which is best to do town vs. travel.


I totally agree with you! Some town teams are full of talent, others have only a few kids with talent. It's hard for some kids to be challenged and to grow if they stay with a town team that does not have decent coaching or competitive playing. I'm all for loyalty, but my kid and his growth and development come first in my mind and if he's going to have a better experience playing with a travel club that that's the route I'll choose


Exactly !!! Whatever is best for your kid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Laxlives
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Laxlives
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will someone please tell SWR and Northport that they are town teams and should break up and and do strictly club teams. really, who do they think they are trying to keep their kids together?


The team that was called Northport is really Lax Pro and the directors of the league put them on the schedule as Northport Lax Pro. They are not a town team, but a team much like the Cuda's. They are kids from several different travel teams that came together to only play for the fall. Some towm teams do very well against travel teams. It is a matter of opinion which is best to do town vs. travel.


I totally agree with you! Some town teams are full of talent, others have only a few kids with talent. It's hard for some kids to be challenged and to grow if they stay with a town team that does not have decent coaching or competitive playing. I'm all for loyalty, but my kid and his growth and development come first in my mind and if he's going to have a better experience playing with a travel club that that's the route I'll choose


Exactly !!! Whatever is best for your kid.


FINALLY!!! Some people who seem to care more about their kids than about the "Cuda's"!! Let the kids play, let them learn, let them have FUN! Soon enough they will have to learn about the politics and BS of the grown up world!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
The three starting attack players were from Northport, Gardencity and Comsewogue.Or the Express,The Raiders and Team Long Island.But all the boys are very good players from a lot of different Teams to play Fall ball on a Team called Lax Pro.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
like i said the should beat most 6th grade teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
A lot of talent on Long Island? Completely agree! But I am fascinated by the whole club team thinking. It seems to me with more than one post about how good Long Island lacrosse is that teams like Comsewogue, Rocky Point, SWR, Smithtown, Three Villages, GC, etc would want to go the club route. Is the coaching so poor in these places that your kid needs to go to the club teams? In my experience it seems the club teams are more concerned about winning tournaments and having a large photo album on website then they are about coaching. If you are able to assemble really good kids, chances are you will do well. You could make the case that the coaching is better at the town team level as they do not have as much talent and the coach is able to find a way to be competitive and have fun with what he has. Anyway, this was the way back in the 70's, 80's (as I date myself) and this way did not hurt any recruitment of players. With technology today if your kid is good enough he will be found. The HS coach believe it or not is still the go to person when a school needs to know about a player
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
like i said the should beat most 6th grade teams


you obviously have a problem with this team...why? They are not playing 6th graders, they are playing other 8th grade teams. They are a talented group of boys. Maybe you're pissed off because you're kid wasn't asked to play with them???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A lot of talent on Long Island? Completely agree! But I am fascinated by the whole club team thinking. It seems to me with more than one post about how good Long Island lacrosse is that teams like Comsewogue, Rocky Point, SWR, Smithtown, Three Villages, GC, etc would want to go the club route. Is the coaching so poor in these places that your kid needs to go to the club teams? In my experience it seems the club teams are more concerned about winning tournaments and having a large photo album on website then they are about coaching. If you are able to assemble really good kids, chances are you will do well. You could make the case that the coaching is better at the town team level as they do not have as much talent and the coach is able to find a way to be competitive and have fun with what he has. Anyway, this was the way back in the 70's, 80's (as I date myself) and this way did not hurt any recruitment of players. With technology today if your kid is good enough he will be found. The HS coach believe it or not is still the go to person when a school needs to know about a player


Completely agree that with today's technology a kid will be found if he's good enough. In my opinion there is much more competitiveness when playing with a club team, plus a lot of the school teams do not travel so the kids end up playing the same teams over and over again. Besides, every single one of the kids also plays for their school on their junior high and high school teams. So the high school coach is still going to know about the kids and their talent.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A lot of talent on Long Island? Completely agree! But I am fascinated by the whole club team thinking. It seems to me with more than one post about how good Long Island lacrosse is that teams like Comsewogue, Rocky Point, SWR, Smithtown, Three Villages, GC, etc would want to go the club route. Is the coaching so poor in these places that your kid needs to go to the club teams? In my experience it seems the club teams are more concerned about winning tournaments and having a large photo album on website then they are about coaching. If you are able to assemble really good kids, chances are you will do well. You could make the case that the coaching is better at the town team level as they do not have as much talent and the coach is able to find a way to be competitive and have fun with what he has. Anyway, this was the way back in the 70's, 80's (as I date myself) and this way did not hurt any recruitment of players. With technology today if your kid is good enough he will be found. The HS coach believe it or not is still the go to person when a school needs to know about a player


I agree with what you are saying except that there are negatives to playing for your town only, the biggest draw back is that in most cases you do not get unbiased volunteers or paid unbiased coaches, you get fathers and those fathers either have agendas or subconsciously worry about there own kid first and the rest of the kids second, travel is a lot of money but at least you get the feeling that everybody paid the same and the coaches have no agendas (hopefully) and if you are not happy you can move on to another travel team it is not so easy when the town coach/parent and your kid play the same position, ect. $1,500 for the summer seems a lot cheaper then moving.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
91 is ready to paly
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A lot of talent on Long Island? Completely agree! But I am fascinated by the whole club team thinking. It seems to me with more than one post about how good Long Island lacrosse is that teams like Comsewogue, Rocky Point, SWR, Smithtown, Three Villages, GC, etc would want to go the club route. Is the coaching so poor in these places that your kid needs to go to the club teams? In my experience it seems the club teams are more concerned about winning tournaments and having a large photo album on website then they are about coaching. If you are able to assemble really good kids, chances are you will do well. You could make the case that the coaching is better at the town team level as they do not have as much talent and the coach is able to find a way to be competitive and have fun with what he has. Anyway, this was the way back in the 70's, 80's (as I date myself) and this way did not hurt any recruitment of players. With technology today if your kid is good enough he will be found. The HS coach believe it or not is still the go to person when a school needs to know about a player


Unfortunately some of the towns do not have a large pool of kids to choose from to form a town travel team. The other issues are commiting to travel or the expense of traveling. I have spoken to many parents and they can not or will not travel for these reasons as well as they have other children to think about. I only have one son so I try to do everything that he wants to do as long as nothing conflicts. My son played for the 7th/8th grade town team and the JV town team that played in local summer leagues. He also played on a travel team. He is now playing in the fall league with Lax Pro. I can see the difference in his game from playing with other kids as well as from learning from different coaches.
I honestly believe that he had the most competition playing on the travel team and now Lax Pro. He also will have great memories traveling and playing with the travel team as well as creating new friendships. I guess the bottom line is you have to do what is good for your kid and what he wants to do. At this age they can make smart choices.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Three best attack i have seen on the field .Must better than any of the jesters
Originally Posted by Anonymous
like i said the should beat most 6th grade teams


What's the matter your kid didn't make any team ??????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Laxlives
Originally Posted by Anonymous
like i said the should beat most 6th grade teams


What's the matter your kid didn't make any team ??????


Obviously he didn't make any team (the bitterness is very apparent) ...but it doesn't matter... it all gets proved on THE FIELD not on the discussion board! The stupid part is that it's the parents that make such a big deal about who their kids play with... if you ask the kids, they'll just tell you that they want to PLAY
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
So true! Whenever my son is asked to play he never asks WHO is playing or how good they are, he usually just says sure! Naturally he want to play on a competetive team and wants to win games but mostly he enjoys playing and the camraderie that goes along with it. He has played on good teams and on some real stinkers but has made a lot friends and had a lot of fun and learned a lot along the way which is all that really matters.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So true! Whenever my son is asked to play he never asks WHO is playing or how good they are, he usually just says sure! Naturally he want to play on a competetive team and wants to win games but mostly he enjoys playing and the camraderie that goes along with it. He has played on good teams and on some real stinkers but has made a lot friends and had a lot of fun and learned a lot along the way which is all that really matters.


AMEN!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I couldn't agree more. Travel teams also give you a choice of playing at different levels of competition. For example, if your son is not the best player in town, chances are he doesn't play much for his town team. There are travel teams that are geared more for the developing players. The only way to get better is to play.
Conversely, if your son in one of the better players, his development can be stalled playing for a town team if all the other players are not at his level. This type of player should play on the best possible team with players of similar ability. As was mentioned previously, the travel team concept also offers diversity of coaching, training and playing with and against players from other towns.
Name any sport (basketball, baseball, soccer etc..) The players who further develop their games do so playing on travel teams. Not to mention, kids who play on travel teams establish many more friendships than those that choose to stay home.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 is ready to paly

How can they be ready when they haven't picked their teams ? Don't they have the 2nd tryout this weekend for 2016 ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Laxlives
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 is ready to paly

How can they be ready when they haven't picked their teams ? Don't they have the 2nd tryout this weekend for 2016 ?


2nd tryout is this coming weekend and decisions are supposed to be made early next week...someone know something they're not telling us??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Laxlives
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 is ready to paly

How can they be ready when they haven't picked their teams ? Don't they have the 2nd tryout this weekend for 2016 ?


2nd tryout is this coming weekend and decisions are supposed to be made early next week...someone know something they're not telling us??


I doubt it. Sounds like a kid posting.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I do not know if anyone in here was there last Saturday, the only reason for another tryout is just incase another elite couldn't make it the week before. Unless they are adding another team I would say they have picked the kids they need. The kids there last week were phenominal. I certainly could be wrong, just my opinion.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
all the good kid went to the stampede
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I do not know if anyone in here was there last Saturday, the only reason for another tryout is just incase another elite couldn't make it the week before. Unless they are adding another team I would say they have picked the kids they need. The kids there last week were phenominal. I certainly could be wrong, just my opinion.


Several kids made the teams last year who came from the 2nd tryout. I know there are several kids going this weekend who should make the top teams.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Laxlives
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 is ready to paly

How can they be ready when they haven't picked their teams ? Don't they have the 2nd tryout this weekend for 2016 ?


2nd tryout is this coming weekend and decisions are supposed to be made early next week...someone know something they're not telling us??


I doubt it. Sounds like a kid posting.


The person posted "91 is ready to play" and it sounded like they either knew something or they were trying to boast. Obviously the only people that know anything at this point are the directors. Did you get an e-mail telling you that your kid was on the team ? Any team for 91 ? I can tell you that they are trying to put a AA team together to play against the Express. By the way I am not a kid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
i`m on orange team
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Laxlives
Originally Posted by Anonymous
like i said the should beat most 6th grade teams


What's the matter your kid didn't make any team ??????


Obviously he didn't make any team (the bitterness is very apparent) ...but it doesn't matter... it all gets proved on THE FIELD not on the discussion board! The stupid part is that it's the parents that make such a big deal about who their kids play with... if you ask the kids, they'll just tell you that they want to PLAY
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
i`m on orange team
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Laxlives
Originally Posted by Anonymous
like i said the should beat most 6th grade teams


What's the matter your kid didn't make any team ??????


Obviously he didn't make any team (the bitterness is very apparent) ...but it doesn't matter... it all gets proved on THE FIELD not on the discussion board! The stupid part is that it's the parents that make such a big deal about who their kids play with... if you ask the kids, they'll just tell you that they want to PLAY


I knew it had to be a kid writing this.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I knew it had to be a kid writing this.
Truth be told, our research tracing controversial posters indicates that all of our posts are coming from adults. BOTC defines adult to be someone 18 years or older ... your definition (and experience) might vary or expect more from an adult.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I knew it had to be a kid writing this.
Truth be told, our research tracing controversial posters indicates that all of our posts are coming from adults. BOTC defines adult to be someone 18 years or older ... your definition (and experience) might vary or expect more from an adult.


I am not an "IT" guy, but I wonder how your research tracing would indicate that the posts are coming from adults when most of these posts are from anonymous writers ? The bottom line is there is a lot of good talent on LI and we should all stop bad mouthing teams. No one ever said that the orange team (Cuda's) was an untalented team. I believe all of the posts were about how this team was handled in the recruitment process or how talented they were. The Lax Pro team is also very talented and obviously talented enough that they were thought to be the Cuda's. If the ("they could beat most 6th grade teams") poster wasn't a kid then I really feel bad for him !!!! Grow up !!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am not an "IT" guy, but I wonder how your research tracing would indicate that the posts are coming from adults when most of these posts are from anonymous writers ?
Let us worry about that. The question was asked; the question was answered. Let's just say that our BOTC forensics are "pretty good" - basically, students do not post from corporations at 10:00am in the morning or 1:00pm in the afternoon. We will leave the discussion there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
what a sad story, parents using corporate computers during work time to post about youth lax. i love lax, but grow up and get productive, you will be writing a check for your kids college like 99.9% of us, no matter what any director is telling you about your 13 yr old who matured before the majority of kids his age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
It's funny how people try and bad mouth other teams, then when it's their turn to play them they get embarrassed by that team!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
outlaws are ready
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
express 2016 white team looks good. goalies are the real deal
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Ready to cry?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
outlaw for life
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ready to cry?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
So are the Long Island Express Barracuddas/Poachers staying together, or was it a one time deal? If the guys from Baltimore and DC put together a similar All-Star team poached from the top clubs, that team would destroy the Barracuddas/Poachers.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -

Any truth to the rumor that Express scheduled practice for both of their 2016 teams at the same time 91 was having tryouts the last two weekends so the boys couldnt try out for 91?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So are the Long Island Express Barracuddas/Poachers staying together, or was it a one time deal? If the guys from Baltimore and DC put together a similar All-Star team poached from the top clubs, that team would destroy the Barracuddas/Poachers.


Cudas are done. They were two men's view of an allstar team. Not a true all star team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So are the Long Island Express Barracuddas/Poachers staying together, or was it a one time deal? If the guys from Baltimore and DC put together a similar All-Star team poached from the top clubs, that team would destroy the Barracuddas/Poachers.


Cudas are done. They were two men's view of an allstar team. Not a true all star team.


they did pretty well in baltimore, so the two men must be good talent evaluators
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Funny you guys can not get over this team. For the record the barracudas of old are the 2016 orange they have even added a few more to make the team better. Now express second team has a lot of raiders kids and they also will be strong. Good luck to teams who take either team lightly. These teams will be playing tournaments in the fall go see for yourself
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny you guys can not get over this team. For the record the barracudas of old are the 2016 orange they have even added a few more to make the team better. Now express second team has a lot of raiders kids and they also will be strong. Good luck to teams who take either team lightly. These teams will be playing tournaments in the fall go see for yourself


I heard the 2016 Raiders were going else where. If it's true, it will make the remaining teams stronger and we should be seeing some excellent games at this age for the next year. BTW, how many kids from the summer 'cudas are on the express orange team?


I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the fall tournaments yet. Many of the boys play football so I don't think most of the teams will be at full strength until the winter or spring season starts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny you guys can not get over this team. For the record the barracudas of old are the 2016 orange they have even added a few more to make the team better.


Not true. Several of the boys are not going to be playing for the express. How any of the teams will do will be detemrined soon enough.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny you guys can not get over this team. For the record the barracudas of old are the 2016 orange they have even added a few more to make the team better.


Not true. Several of the boys are not going to be playing for the express. How any of the teams will do will be detemrined soon enough.
we got Joe the attack log that all that counts
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
"attack log" ??? What's the secret meaning or is it a typo?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Any truth to the rumour that Coach Mcmanus Express Orange 2017 is out? If true wish I knew BEFORE I paid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
By this time everyone should know the deal with these travel teams. The better Teams for each organization are set except for a few spots. Certain players are recruited and told to "tryout" for the sake of appearing that the tryouts are legit. All other players "trying out" are there to fill the "lesser" teams that the organizations want to field. The "lesser" teams are known as the organizations "money makers". If you go in un-informed shame on you. These large organizations do not provide for the "lesser" teams as they do for their "elite" teams. If you dont like the way these teams do things don't complain, take your money and players to smaller organizations and build them up and compete. Turtles, barracudas, 91 whatever, get real. Good players get noticed flashy uniforms and the other nonesense is just that...Nonsense
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any truth to the rumour that Coach Mcmanus Express Orange 2017 is out? If true wish I knew BEFORE I paid.


I doubt he is out, the only thing I heard was for the 2017 teams is that there are now 2 "A Teams" not including the turtles and that they will not be using colors.
Totally agree that that Express 2017 age will have 3 very strong teams in that age. My buddy was at their tryouts for 2017 said talent pool was massive! I strongly DOUBT McManess is out. We know two separate families that are on McManess team this year and they been practicing already and are very happy.
I was at the 2017 tryouts, talent was very impressive. If they want to have 2 or 3 very competative teams would not be a problem from the 170 plus kids that were there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
By this time everyone should know the deal with these travel teams. The better Teams for each organization are set except for a few spots. Certain players are recruited and told to "tryout" for the sake of appearing that the tryouts are legit. All other players "trying out" are there to fill the "lesser" teams that the organizations want to field. The "lesser" teams are known as the organizations "money makers". If you go in un-informed shame on you. These large organizations do not provide for the "lesser" teams as they do for their "elite" teams. If you dont like the way these teams do things don't complain, take your money and players to smaller organizations and build them up and compete. Turtles, barracudas, 91 whatever, get real. Good players get noticed flashy uniforms and the other nonesense is just that...Nonsense


my son was not recruited by the express and went to the tryout to see where he fits, this was his first time trying out for any team, nobody asked us to come and certainly no guarantees, he had a very strong tryout and was picked for the orange team - no complaints here, he is an OK player but certainly not an elite recruited player and we did not know any evaluators. so for at least one player is seemed pretty fair to us.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I guess you didn't read the previous posts. There are no "colors" or whatever they are called. Only time will tell if all of these A teams will be any good. Good luck and pay promptly.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I guess you didn't read the previous posts. There are no "colors" or whatever they are called. Only time will tell if all of these A teams will be any good. Good luck and pay promptly.


I guess you didn't read the previous post. There ARE colors according the e-mail we received saying congratulations on making the ORANGE team - and that really wasn't the point of the post,The point was it is possible to get a fair shot even an unknown player with no "connections"
My son was invited to join one of the 2017 Teams and there were no colors attached to the invite.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Looks like there will be two very strong teams at the 2017 Express age group (not counting the Turtles). The talent at the tryout was massive. I think they are actually making a third team as well, probably be a "B" team. To this point the teams dont have colors or a name asd yet, i think they are still trying to decide how to deal with that. In any event should be a great year for the LI Express 2017 age group.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
who cares! the kids don't! It is crazy . parents wanting to ,ake themselves feel better about their kid making the 3rd team. you don't need to . let your kid play and be happy. No need to justify the status of the third team. this whole lax cult thing is getting SCARY. If you want to spend $1500 its ok, its your money!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I couldn't agree more. It doesn't matter what team your son is on. If the talent he's playing against is as good or better than him, then he's going to improve. The goal is to allow your son to grow and develope as a player. Which is better? Having your son on one of these super teams, where he plays 30% percent of the time and watches 70% of the time? Or be on a team that may not win all the tournaments, but you son plays a lot against tough competition. He will get better playing more, against tough competition.
Believe me, if your son is not one of the starting 10 with one of these top teams (AA or Elite), he's not going to play that much. It is not pay for play, it's win at all cost. The cost to you is your $1500, and the cost to your son will be extreme frustration.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Can understand why girls want to leave the Express...buy into the program and one girl because of her mother gets all the credit. Leave now while you can because it doesn't get any better!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Agree 1000%
How much does it cost to play for the express?
Can anyone tell me the exact figure?
I can't find it on the express website. I find that a little strange.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
When will the 2015 boys teams be announced?
Originally Posted by laxfan14
How much does it cost to play for the express?
Can anyone tell me the exact figure?
I can't find it on the express website. I find that a little strange.
One of the advantages of dealing with the BOTC sponsors is that they are required to get this type of information out to the lacrosse community by working with us. Since the Express have not answered any of our e-mails to date, BOTC has no real communication channel into the Express organization to help bring clarity and answers to the board with regards to this program.

While BOTC would welcome Express participation, we will need to depend on other BOTC community members to answer your questions. Sorry.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by laxfan14
How much does it cost to play for the express?
Can anyone tell me the exact figure?
I can't find it on the express website. I find that a little strange.


If you are asking about the cost of girls program, the honest answer is too much. The Express cares about the boys and the girls are an after thought.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by laxfan14
How much does it cost to play for the express?
Can anyone tell me the exact figure?
I can't find it on the express website. I find that a little strange.


only know answer to one boys team, not sure if they are all the same $1550 for 5 summer tourny's, practices and uniforms no equipment or bag
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by laxfan14
How much does it cost to play for the express?
Can anyone tell me the exact figure?
I can't find it on the express website. I find that a little strange.


only know answer to one boys team, not sure if they are all the same $1550 for 5 summer tourny's, practices and uniforms no equipment or bag


FYI- ALL the boys teams where given Express equiptment bags last season (a large high quality bag).
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When will the 2015 boys teams be announced?


You should ask them on their twitter page. A Dad on my buddies son(I think it was a 5th grade team)Express team asked a question via twitter about who was coaching that team, I heard his question was answered quickly on the twitter page.
Not that it is a big deal but do you know if most players(I mean their parents) end up buying the Express helmet or do they play with their town team helmets?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Up to the individual. directors have no preference with 2016 team my son is on. Dont't buy the helmet just to fit in...not worth having another helmet
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Up to the individual. directors have no preference with 2016 team my son is on. Dont't buy the helmet just to fit in...not worth having another helmet


That's what I thought. Thanks!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
1350.00 last year for the girls why you need to know ?
Why you need to know could be one of the dumbest questions...
Before I sign up or pay for a product I like to know how much things cost.
I am going to guess that they are jacking up the price by at least $200.00 that's why they are being so shady.
Anyone else want to take a stab at the new price.
Anyone that sent in a deposit please let me know how much it is for the Boys or Girls... That's if you know, think about it, it's wrong what they are doing... Shame on us for letting them get away with it....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Did your daughter make the team ? What year is she did they even send out email to kids that made it ?
No. I have a son that is in the program for the last few years.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by laxfan14
Why you need to know could be one of the dumbest questions...
Before I sign up or pay for a product I like to know how much things cost.
I am going to guess that they are jacking up the price by at least $200.00 that's why they are being so shady.
Anyone else want to take a stab at the new price.
Anyone that sent in a deposit please let me know how much it is for the Boys or Girls... That's if you know, think about it, it's wrong what they are doing... Shame on us for letting them get away with it....



Is Express taking deposits without disclosing the full price? I don't understand how that could they could do this, if it is happening. Most importantly, I don't understand how parents are making deposits without knowing the full price.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
For all the barracuda non believers now express orange they played yesterday at hofstra fall tournament. They went 4 and 0 with 68 goals for 0 goals against. Since they have been together they are 9 and 0 with 131 goals for 10 against and 7 shutouts.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
For all the barracuda non believers now express orange they played yesterday at hofstra fall tournament. They went 4 and 0 with 68 goals for 0 goals against. Since they have been together they are 9 and 0 with 131 goals for 10 against and 7 shutouts.
For those interested, here were the teams the schedules for the Blue and Gold Fall Youth Tournament.

Blue and Gold Fall Youth Tournament (Adobe Format)

In Grades 5/6, you had three Express teams, Pride, Brotherhood, two Head Heart Hustle groups, Be the Best and True Player.

In Grades 7/8, two Pride sides, Express, T-Birds, True Player, Madlaxers, Be the Best, GC Maroon, Brotherhood, HHH, Team 24/7.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
For all the barracuda non believers now express orange they played yesterday at hofstra fall tournament. They went 4 and 0 with 68 goals for 0 goals against. Since they have been together they are 9 and 0 with 131 goals for 10 against and 7 shutouts.


The Express team that played yesterday and the barracuda team team that played over the summer are two different teams. To say they are 9-0 is ridiculous. When the Orange team starts to play some of the better team on the island we'll see if they are as good as advertised. For now, it's just alot of hot air.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Wow that sounds like a lot of fun, an average score of 17-0 you must have been on the edge of your folding chair all day! I'm sure your nerves were causing your hands to shake so much your beverage spilled from your red cup and that excitement lead to a sleepless night and an early morning post.

Must be great coaching, I'm sure they really enjoyed it and the kids got much better.

Not sure why you need to worry about the non believers. I'm pretty sure most people believe that a lot of very good players are on that team and that they should really beat the heck out of most teams they play.

I'm sure you see it as validation that you really picked the right summer team for your little boy, I see it as boring.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
i always believed you learn more about yourself in defeat than victory.

lets just sign this entire team up to be the starting line up at syracuse for the spring 2017 year and crown them national champs 17,18,19 and 2020.

oh wait, more 8th graders are going to grow and develop. then we will see how good these players are. enjoy it now. these kids will end up sounding like al bundy. 5 touchdowns in one game, polk high class of 72.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Why do you hate these 13 year old boys so much? What have they ever done to you?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
For all the barracuda non believers now express orange they played yesterday at hofstra fall tournament. They went 4 and 0 with 68 goals for 0 goals against. Since they have been together they are 9 and 0 with 131 goals for 10 against and 7 shutouts.


Good job. Congrats to the kids on the team. Pathetic post by parent or coach.
What teams did they play at Hofstra??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
91 had this tournament on their fall schedule that was on their website then they took it down and they were not there. I was looking forward to the competition. What happened?
Originally Posted by Uncle Johns band
What teams did they play at Hofstra??
The teams/schedules were posted just above and replayed here.

Blue and Gold Fall Youth Tournament (Adobe Format)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do you hate these 13 year old boys so much? What have they ever done to you?


Nobody has a problems with the kids. I think a parent feels the need to justify himself and his actions from last year. No need to worry, as soon as the express loose, he will be trying to put another team together for next year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Is this thread about the Express or a forum for your personal vandettas? Its sad that you are making fun of children. You really need to grow up!


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
My son asked me to put this post out yesterday to watch your responses. You guys are pathetic. It was not fun watching the tournament they have 2 more with hopefully better competition. The boys just want to be respected win or lose. By the way all but 3 boys from the barracudas are on this team and the other three we wish only the best. They are great kids with great parents. If you can not respect their accomplishments don't bash them here. 95 percent of these boys make every practice and every game even with football going on. They are commited
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow that sounds like a lot of fun, an average score of 17-0 you must have been on the edge of your folding chair all day! I'm sure your nerves were causing your hands to shake so much your beverage spilled from your red cup and that excitement lead to a sleepless night and an early morning post.

Must be great coaching, I'm sure they really enjoyed it and the kids got much better.

Not sure why you need to worry about the non believers. I'm pretty sure most people believe that a lot of very good players are on that team and that they should really beat the heck out of most teams they play.

I'm sure you see it as validation that you really picked the right summer team for your little boy, I see it as boring.


My son played in a tournament last Monday @ Dowling and they won all 3 games. The first game was 30 to 2, 2nd game was 13 to 6 and the last game was 20 plus to 6 (stopped counting). The coach tried to slow it down by switching the kids to different positions and honestly that is the only reason the other teams scored. My son was disappointed that the competition was not better. I am not saying this to brag, but sometimes it is the luck of the draw @ these tournaments. We also play in the Farmingdale league and we have had great competition winning by only 1 goal. Those are they games your kid learns from, not winning by 17 goals.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I have no horse in this race but just seeing all these comments makes me think that if the 2016 Orange is not finding any competition in the grade, they should challenge themselves against the 2015 Orange in a scrimmage or something. Would be a good test to see where they really are or if the grade is just not that deep beyond the Express. I think the Turtles (2017) usually try to play up so why not this team? Really, just a thought...not trying to be antagonistic.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son asked me to put this post out yesterday to watch your responses. You guys are pathetic. It was not fun watching the tournament they have 2 more with hopefully better competition. The boys just want to be respected win or lose. By the way all but 3 boys from the barracudas are on this team and the other three we wish only the best. They are great kids with great parents. If you can not respect their accomplishments don't bash them here. 95 percent of these boys make every practice and every game even with football going on. They are commited


My son is not on this team and he never tried to be. He is happy where he is and thats all that counts. I think that people are making a big deal about the way the team was put together. I for one could care less and believe that most of the travel teams try to recruit kids from other travel teams. Why else would you get e-mails from every travel team telling you about their tryouts almost everyday. My son has attended many camps and someone is always trying to recruit him for their team. When coaches see talent it is natural for them to want them on their team.
I say good luck to this team and to all the other teams out there for the upcoming summer season. Just let them play and stop the crying !!!!
well said. I wish this team the best and hope I get to watch them play one day. A friend of mine has a son who plays on this team and I know for a fact that they practice and are taking this serious, so all the best to them!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Hey did the turtles play? We saw them down at summer sizzle here in Baltimore. They played in the "B" division. We thought they were an A division team. Very confusing. Down here in MD A teams play A and B teams play B. I guess the website is more important!!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
... they won all 3 games. The first game was 30 to 2, 2nd game was 13 to 6 and the last game was 20 plus to 6 (stopped counting). The coach tried to slow it down by switching the kids to different positions and honestly that is the only reason the other teams scored. My son was disappointed that the competition was not better.
The problem here is several fold.

First, building super teams where top talent is collected is valuable to improve the top end caliber of play, however you need to create an environment where those teams can find competition. BOTC has called for the creation of a premier elite league structure on a regional level, similar to what exists in Youth Soccer, to allow the best teams to compete on a regular basis.

Second, a completely tiered league system is required (once the top level league is created) to establish a proving ground for promotion and relegation. This would extend down to the state/county level.

Third, Long Island Lacrosse needs to crack the problem where top clubs from outside of New [lacrosse] (New Jersey, Maryland in particular) are comfortable coming to our region and competing in single or multiple day tournaments.

Only once these three steps are taken will the real promise of forming premier teams be realized.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
The competition at the fall and winter tournaments can be hot or miss. Too many other things going on this time of year with football, basketball, etc. in full swing. You will get a better feeling of where the teams stand in the spring during the Oyster Bay League if they play each other. Otherwise, you'll need to wait until the summer tour starts. We should be seeing some very good games at the 2016 level this year. Good luck to all the boys. Many of the boys are friends on the different teams and we as parents should make sure it stays that way regardless of what team uniform they happen to be wearing.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey did the turtles play? We saw them down at summer sizzle here in Baltimore. They played in the "B" division. We thought they were an A division team. Very confusing. Down here in MD A teams play A and B teams play B. I guess the website is more important!!!!!


If the turtles were in a "B" division they were probably playing up a year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Fascinating stuff. However, while some of the posts still seem to have sentiment in the way this team was created it is what it is. I don't get the sense that anyone is criticizing the players or their commitment (if they are they should be ashamed), but rather what is not being said and that is the scores. Has anyone taken note? I think we should ask the parents of this team to voice their opinion on this. Are the scores we are hearing true? 25-0 etc? Worse? Even if you move players around it seems to be a little over the top? Hopefully some parents of this team will weigh in and tell us why this is a good thing. Any parents happy with the coach for running up the score? Or questioning if they want to be apart of that? Any of the parents concerned about retaliation/safety - while completely unacceptable,you never know. Hopefully some of the parents will post.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
... they won all 3 games. The first game was 30 to 2, 2nd game was 13 to 6 and the last game was 20 plus to 6 (stopped counting). The coach tried to slow it down by switching the kids to different positions and honestly that is the only reason the other teams scored. My son was disappointed that the competition was not better.
The problem here is several fold.

First, building super teams where top talent is collected is valuable to improve the top end caliber of play, however you need to create an environment where those teams can find competition. BOTC has called for the creation of a premier elite league structure on a regional level, similar to what exists in Youth Soccer, to allow the best teams to compete on a regular basis.

Second, a completely tiered league system is required (once the top level league is created) to establish a proving ground for promotion and relegation. This would extend down to the state/county level.

Third, Long Island Lacrosse needs to crack the problem where top clubs from outside of New [lacrosse] (New Jersey, Maryland in particular) are comfortable coming to our region and competing in single or multiple day tournaments.

Only once these three steps are taken will the real promise of forming premier teams be realized.



Fourth, Which really should be number one! Someone needs to come up with a governing system with regard to age. Most of these top super teams are littered with kids playing down a year. Look at the top 2018 teams right now (Express & 91). Many, but not all the top tier kids should be, by age, in 7th grade. It's just a fact. It's been going on in this sport for years. In soccer, they have validated the kids age. Older kids play up, regardless of thier "grade"! You get caught cheating the system your club is banned. It's the only way we're going to level the playing field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
There were no 25 - 0 scores. Yes there were multiple double digit wins in all games at Hofstra. I do not believe the kids were told to run up the score, but after running your motion offense, sometimes you have to let a shot go. The kids themselves were not firing away at the opposing goalie, many shots were on stick and still went in. All games were started with the intent to play aggressively.
Yes I have a son on this team. He left the field commenting that he wishes the games were better, not boring. But as many previous posts noted, fall ball is what it is. It is a time to work on some chemistry and introduce new plays and adjust lines. I do not condone in any manner anyone thumping their chests over scores in these games. That is ridiculous and apparently many are living thru their sons and this teams success. Retaliation can happen, hopefully it won't. That is something that all parents should address with their boys. No team wins all the time. This group is talented and well coached. Nobody can predict what the future holds. Hopefully alot of fun and it ends where these boys want it to end up and not anyone else.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fascinating stuff. However, while some of the posts still seem to have sentiment in the way this team was created it is what it is. I don't get the sense that anyone is criticizing the players or their commitment (if they are they should be ashamed), but rather what is not being said and that is the scores. Has anyone taken note? I think we should ask the parents of this team to voice their opinion on this. Are the scores we are hearing true? 25-0 etc? Worse? Even if you move players around it seems to be a little over the top? Hopefully some parents of this team will weigh in and tell us why this is a good thing. Any parents happy with the coach for running up the score? Or questioning if they want to be apart of that? Any of the parents concerned about retaliation/safety - while completely unacceptable,you never know. Hopefully some of the parents will post.


Outside observation (no son even playing). I see that as a parent, I would be proud to have a son selected as an elite player and chosen for this team. But the beat downs are embarrassing to the team, I would be ashamed of my kid scoring the 20th, 21st, 22nd etc... goal in one of these games. The coaches are ultimately to blame, just horrible job of sportsmanship. This reminds me of the girls high school basketball game that was all over the news a couple years ago (100 to 0). Except this may be worse because they did it game after game... what a joke.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fourth, Which really should be number one! Someone needs to come up with a governing system with regard to age. Most of these top super teams are littered with kids playing down a year. Look at the top 2018 teams right now (Express & 91). Many, but not all the top tier kids should be, by age, in 7th grade. It's just a fact. It's been going on in this sport for years. In soccer, they have validated the kids age. Older kids play up, regardless of thier "grade"! You get caught cheating the system your club is banned. It's the only way we're going to level the playing field.
BOTC agrees that a US Lacrosse (or other organization) Player Photo-ID and Pass System which clearly identifies the player age and associates that player with a specific club for the duration of the playing season would be a major step forward. This would be an absolute requirement for the proper formation of a premier elite league as discussed.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
... they won all 3 games. The first game was 30 to 2, 2nd game was 13 to 6 and the last game was 20 plus to 6 (stopped counting). The coach tried to slow it down by switching the kids to different positions and honestly that is the only reason the other teams scored. My son was disappointed that the competition was not better.
The problem here is several fold.

First, building super teams where top talent is collected is valuable to improve the top end caliber of play, however you need to create an environment where those teams can find competition. BOTC has called for the creation of a premier elite league structure on a regional level, similar to what exists in Youth Soccer, to allow the best teams to compete on a regular basis.

Second, a completely tiered league system is required (once the top level league is created) to establish a proving ground for promotion and relegation. This would extend down to the state/county level.

Third, Long Island Lacrosse needs to crack the problem where top clubs from outside of New [lacrosse] (New Jersey, Maryland in particular) are comfortable coming to our region and competing in single or multiple day tournaments.

Only once these three steps are taken will the real promise of forming premier teams be realized.



Fourth, Which really should be number one! Someone needs to come up with a governing system with regard to age. Most of these top super teams are littered with kids playing down a year. Look at the top 2018 teams right now (Express & 91). Many, but not all the top tier kids should be, by age, in 7th grade. It's just a fact. It's been going on in this sport for years. In soccer, they have validated the kids age. Older kids play up, regardless of thier "grade"! You get caught cheating the system your club is banned. It's the only way we're going to level the playing field.


You are DEAD ON!! I agree bigtime!My son either plays his age or "up". Youth (travel) Baseball & Youth Football...good luck cheating with them in regards to having a kid play that is OLDER or doesnt have a proper birth certificate!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fascinating stuff. However, while some of the posts still seem to have sentiment in the way this team was created it is what it is. I don't get the sense that anyone is criticizing the players or their commitment (if they are they should be ashamed), but rather what is not being said and that is the scores. Has anyone taken note? I think we should ask the parents of this team to voice their opinion on this. Are the scores we are hearing true? 25-0 etc? Worse? Even if you move players around it seems to be a little over the top? Hopefully some parents of this team will weigh in and tell us why this is a good thing. Any parents happy with the coach for running up the score? Or questioning if they want to be apart of that? Any of the parents concerned about retaliation/safety - while completely unacceptable,you never know. Hopefully some of the parents will post.


I am the parent that wrote about the Dowling tournament and this team is not the Express Orange (Baracudas). It was a team put together of kids that wanted to keep the stick in their hands in the fall. My son got on the team because of kids that he knows from camps and other travel teams. Many of them also play football and soccer and we fluctuate between 12 and 14 kids making the games because of the other sports. In the Dowling tournament the scores were that high for this team and they really tried to slow it down. I can not speak for the Express and their scores. In fact this tournament only allowed the first faceoff and then it was cleared from the scored on goal. So it wasn't that are faceoff kid was incredible and we won the faceoff everytime it was just really talented kids that wanted to play lacrosse. If the competition is not there and you try to slow it down what else do you do ? Tell them not to score anymore. The kids came to play. As someone else said a lot of kids are not playing right now because of other sports. My son plays middle school soccer, travel soccer and this lacrosse team. Not to mention that he practices every Saturday with his travel lacrosse team. We often race from the Sunday lacrosse game to his travel soccer game. As for this team they are just playing together in the fall so we will not know what would happen in the spring or summer. Most of them are going back to their original travel teams. We are at least getting good games at Farmingdale. Once the spring and summer games come I think you will see the Express Orange will have more competition. You can not tell me that there are only 22 kids on Long Island that are talented lacrosse players. I have been watching my son play lacrosse for eight years and have watched a lot of games and I can tell you there are a lot of talented kids out there. That is why some parents are getting nuts worrying that their kid will not get a scholorship. Let's not forget their grades !!! You can be the best lacrosse player on Long Island, but if your academics are in the tank you are not going anywhere. Except for a few people who is making $$$ in lacrosse once they are out of college ??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
But there was another Express team in the same division. Looks like they were running away from a tougher division so they could post a "Champion" label on the website. Seems kind of weak to us here in MD.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fourth, Which really should be number one! Someone needs to come up with a governing system with regard to age. Most of these top super teams are littered with kids playing down a year. Look at the top 2018 teams right now (Express & 91). Many, but not all the top tier kids should be, by age, in 7th grade. It's just a fact. It's been going on in this sport for years. In soccer, they have validated the kids age. Older kids play up, regardless of thier "grade"! You get caught cheating the system your club is banned. It's the only way we're going to level the playing field.
BOTC agrees that a US Lacrosse (or other organization) Player Photo-ID and Pass System which clearly identifies the player age and associates that player with a specific club for the duration of the playing season would be a major step forward. This would be an absolute requirement for the proper formation of a premier elite league as discussed.


I agree !! My son plays soccer and you have to provide proof of age and photo to the soccer club. Before everygame the ref's check every Photo-ID. I know of several kids that are playing down in lacrosse. The parents should be ashamed of themselves. I know of a couple of (sports) parents that actually held their kid back starting school so they would have an edge. It happens in all sports except soccer. My son also wrestles and I can not tell you how many times my son wrestled a kid that was his weight, but clearly had man muscles and found out later that he was a year or more older then my son.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
But there was another Express team in the same division. Looks like they were running away from a tougher division so they could post a "Champion" label on the website. Seems kind of weak to us here in MD.


My son does not play for the Express, but he knows a lot of the players and they have two AA teams and an A team in the 2016 division. So I do not think they were running away from anything. We have a lot of talent on Long Island and I am sure you do in Maryland. So let's leave it at that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
The tournaments normally govern the age, I can tell you my son who is a sept birthday and started school early plays on a 2017 team but is the same age as boys on the 2018 team you mention

When a tournament is age based, he plays on the team, when its grade based, they do not allow him to play so I know for a fact at least one of the teams you mentioned here is following the tournament/league rules for age and not stacking teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There were no 25 - 0 scores. Yes there were multiple double digit wins in all games at Hofstra. I do not believe the kids were told to run up the score, but after running your motion offense, sometimes you have to let a shot go. The kids themselves were not firing away at the opposing goalie, many shots were on stick and still went in. All games were started with the intent to play aggressively.
Yes I have a son on this team. He left the field commenting that he wishes the games were better, not boring. But as many previous posts noted, fall ball is what it is. It is a time to work on some chemistry and introduce new plays and adjust lines. I do not condone in any manner anyone thumping their chests over scores in these games. That is ridiculous and apparently many are living thru their sons and this teams success. Retaliation can happen, hopefully it won't. That is something that all parents should address with their boys. No team wins all the time. This group is talented and well coached. Nobody can predict what the future holds. Hopefully alot of fun and it ends where these boys want it to end up and not anyone else.


great post and on behalf of this express - parent, thank you, some of us "get it"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The tournaments normally govern the age, I can tell you my son who is a sept birthday and started school early plays on a 2017 team but is the same age as boys on the 2018 team you mention

When a tournament is age based, he plays on the team, when its grade based, they do not allow him to play so I know for a fact at least one of the teams you mentioned here is following the tournament/league rules for age and not stacking teams.


unfortunately not every team or club plays by the rules 100% of the time. We played in a tournament last year and there was a club from Florida that had 2 or 3 older kids on each team. Our U15 coach thought something was up, but when they were at Subway having lunch they saw 2 of the kids they just played get into their own car and drive off. He made an official complaint and the tournament director investigated and found that this club had older kids on everyone of their teams. The entire club was thrown out of the tournament. Unfortunately for my sons U13 team we did not find out until we had already left the tournament. The director wanted us to come back, but we were to far away. I will never understand why anyone would want to win this way. If you need a trophy that bad you can go online and buy one.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The tournaments normally govern the age, I can tell you my son who is a sept birthday and started school early plays on a 2017 team but is the same age as boys on the 2018 team you mention

When a tournament is age based, he plays on the team, when its grade based, they do not allow him to play so I know for a fact at least one of the teams you mentioned here is following the tournament/league rules for age and not stacking teams.


No matter where you go, there always seems to be a team or two who blatently has older kids on their teams. Don't know what team you're referring to but, I know my son's team doesn't do it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The tournaments normally govern the age, I can tell you my son who is a sept birthday and started school early plays on a 2017 team but is the same age as boys on the 2018 team you mention

When a tournament is age based, he plays on the team, when its grade based, they do not allow him to play so I know for a fact at least one of the teams you mentioned here is following the tournament/league rules for age and not stacking teams.


unfortunately not every team or club plays by the rules 100% of the time. We played in a tournament last year and there was a club from Florida that had 2 or 3 older kids on each team. Our U15 coach thought something was up, but when they were at Subway having lunch they saw 2 of the kids they just played get into their own car and drive off. He made an official complaint and the tournament director investigated and found that this club had older kids on everyone of their teams. The entire club was thrown out of the tournament. Unfortunately for my sons U13 team we did not find out until we had already left the tournament. The director wanted us to come back, but we were to far away. I will never understand why anyone would want to win this way. If you need a trophy that bad you can go online and buy one.


It's not about the trophy, it's about the picture for the website.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Yes, great post,but could you clarify further? You mentioned in your post you did not think the players were told to run up the score. Were they told to not score? Letting the shot go? You can still run plays, develop chemistry, etc and still not embarass a lesser opponent I would think? I'm sure the coaching is going all out for this group on the x's and o's side but do the coaches really "get it"? Would be curious to hear from other parents of players on this team to see if they are somewhat concerned about what lessons are being taught. I realize that side of it may not be part of the ciriculum, but just wondering what some of the other players parents think?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Good push bak to my previous post. I can not answer if the players were told not to shoot. I will ask my son what was being said during and after the games. From my perspective only, the intensity had dropped as the coaches saw the level of competition. I do not personally believe the coaches get any great thrill out of embarrassing another team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
You mean like in the last 20 minutes of the games when they played "keep away" from the other team by not shooting? It was bad to watch. Fall ball is not really competition time so things like this happen. I think it hurt more to the kids and parents, thank god the refs ran the clock off like the last 15 minutes became 5 minutes
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Here is the bottom line. These organizations know that there is a better chance of players returning if they win games. I was at a local tournament last summer in in a U-13 division (11 and 12 year olds) played a team of 14 year olds. The attackmen came up to the defensemen's waists. Not only did they get beat up physically, but the score was very crooked. The coach told me after the game that his team was 2-10 last year and 14-2 this year. I'm sure his team had a wonderful time and they all are looking to come back. That U-13 team has been disbanded. This has historically been a problem. Either playing in the wrong age bracket or wrong skill bracket. Ever hear let's have some success and go in the C bracket? By the way, this was not an Express team, but making the point about the emphasis on winning (and by how many goals) at all costs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Very true
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
my son played on a hockey team that lost a game 20 - 0, there were very strong words and a near fight with coaches and parents after the game, the two teams played 3 weeks later and the other team scored in the first minute of the game and then played keep away for almost three full periods, kids would go in on breakaways and then just stop and give us the puck. trust me the 1-0 loss was a far greater and intended humiliation then the 20 - 0 game. The only thing you can do is split the teams up and play a pick up game but I don't see that ever happening.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I don't understand what the whining about running up the score is all about. These are 8th graders, not 4th graders. Next year they will be playing JV. They are young adults now and are past the age of "a trophy for everybody" and needing to be be sheltered and coddled from the lessons of a big setback in an athletic competition. A good a@@ kickin' has good lessons too and its not the end of the world! The kids and especially parents of the other teams need to "buck up"!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You mean like in the last 20 minutes of the games when they played "keep away" from the other team by not shooting? It was bad to watch. Fall ball is not really competition time so things like this happen. I think it hurt more to the kids and parents, thank god the refs ran the clock off like the last 15 minutes became 5 minutes


How about the coaches get together and swap some pinnies and scrimmage together??? I know fl$ did that at the Crimson tournament a couple of years ago. A great example of good sportsmanship.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by 429lax
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You mean like in the last 20 minutes of the games when they played "keep away" from the other team by not shooting? It was bad to watch. Fall ball is not really competition time so things like this happen. I think it hurt more to the kids and parents, thank god the refs ran the clock off like the last 15 minutes became 5 minutes


How about the coaches get together and swap some pinnies and scrimmage together??? I know fl$ did that at the Crimson tournament a couple of years ago. A great example of good sportsmanship.


Folks. Focus here, there is no sportsmanship in business. Its kill or be killed. Your children are playing for a company, where grown men make a living, pay their mortgages with, and pay thier kids college tuitions with. It's not PAL with a bunch of Dad's coaching. I'm not saying that playing for one of the big teams is a bad thing, but you have to understand the underlying forces at play here. "Nothing personal, it's just business"
If you start to look at things in this manner, you will understand why things are the way they are.
Again, I'm not bashing any club (business) here, it is just the reality of the situation.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't understand what the whining about running up the score is all about. These are 8th graders, not 4th graders. Next year they will be playing JV. They are young adults now and are past the age of "a trophy for everybody" and needing to be be sheltered and coddled from the lessons of a big setback in an athletic competition. A good a@@ kickin' has good lessons too and its not the end of the world! The kids and especially parents of the other teams need to "buck up"!


Your statement is the exact reason the team is getting such a bad reputation.
Kill or be killed? Underlying forces at play? Really?

I don't think anyone enjoys completely blowing out an obviously less competitive team. This does not happen at the more established tournaments. I bet next year this same tournament will be more competitive as Fall Ball grows legs.

As for focus - Good will is good PR which is certainly good business. Businesses thrive on being able to recognize the situation they're in and then capitalize on it. Pounding a weaker team into the ground has no benefits.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't understand what the whining about running up the score is all about. These are 8th graders, not 4th graders. Next year they will be playing JV. They are young adults now and are past the age of "a trophy for everybody" and needing to be be sheltered and coddled from the lessons of a big setback in an athletic competition. A good a@@ kickin' has good lessons too and its not the end of the world! The kids and especially parents of the other teams need to "buck up"!


I think/hope that post was a joke trying to get a rise out of all of us

Your statement is the exact reason the team is getting such a bad reputation.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
my son played on a hockey team that lost a game 20 - 0, there were very strong words and a near fight with coaches and parents after the game, the two teams played 3 weeks later and the other team scored in the first minute of the game and then played keep away for almost three full periods, kids would go in on breakaways and then just stop and give us the puck. trust me the 1-0 loss was a far greater and intended humiliation then the 20 - 0 game. The only thing you can do is split the teams up and play a pick up game but I don't see that ever happening.


We were not even "killing" the other team- I think it was 6-1 at the time and our hockey coach took all his defense and made the offensive lines and vice versa- the only thing that did not change- the goalie stayed put. These were 8-9 yr olds. The coach told them after they learned more about themselves and their skills from this game by playing other positions then they would have by running up the score against this team. This was a league game. I thought the coach handled it pretty well and while the score remained pretty much the same- we did not score either. I thought this was a great lesson for all and no one was humiliated. if the real competition is in the Spring summer league- why not change things up- let someone play goalie that is not usually in the goal, let an attackman handle a long stick... no need for a 20-0 game, regardless if it is a business or not- if they had a large lead they would have kept it if the players are all talented and it may have evened out the playing field just a bit, or maybe not- but at least they tried.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
A slice of humble pie? Never a bad thing. But, 10-0 is a but kicking, 15-0 is absurd, 20+ or worse?? Not sure when "class" went out of style.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by 429lax
Kill or be killed? Underlying forces at play? Really?

I don't think anyone enjoys completely blowing out an obviously less competitive team. This does not happen at the more established tournaments. I bet next year this same tournament will be more competitive as Fall Ball grows legs.

As for focus - Good will is good PR which is certainly good business. Businesses thrive on being able to recognize the situation they're in and then capitalize on it. Pounding a weaker team into the ground has no benefits.


Once again, you're confusing sport with business. The dominate business in any market draws the most customers..... and crush the competition.
Ever heard of Apple, JnJ, etc...
Biggest and the best just seem to get the most customers, nothing different here. Just on a smaller scale. Don't get upset about it, recognize what you're dealing with. Again, not a bad thing. Just what it is.
Look, on the flip side, these teams help a lot of kids to get better at the game. I'm not saying they don't. If you allow yourself to understand the bigger picture, all this stuff won't bother you. You can just accept it for what it is and focus on improving you're son's game. My kids have been doing this travel thing for years. I can't tell you the score one game from last summer, or four summers ago, nor could any of my kids.
I can tell you they are better lacrosse players!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
We should rename this post express bashing. There is never any positive that they have good teams, Good coaching and some really good players. Express had huge turn outs for tryouts at all ages. They will keep practicing all year to improve. Come the summer these kids will have been together for months. If other teams and organizations don't do the same that is their loss. Express players also play many sports but put in the time. Why don't you guys go to your teams post and complain about your own teams success.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't understand what the whining about running up the score is all about. These are 8th graders, not 4th graders. Next year they will be playing JV. They are young adults now and are past the age of "a trophy for everybody" and needing to be be sheltered and coddled from the lessons of a big setback in an athletic competition. A good a@@ kickin' has good lessons too and its not the end of the world! The kids and especially parents of the other teams need to "buck up"!


Its bad enough that this even happened, but when you have parents supporting it with this kind of attitude, it is sad.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
EVERY top team in 2018 had older kids. Funny how the person that made the post singled out 91 and Express and forgot to mention other teams.
Stop crying over having a couple of kids that might be a couple of months older than others. Don't see the same complainers mention anything about teams that have young kids.
My sons' team happens to have a few of the youngest kids in the age group but you don't see us complaining about it.
The new rules have the age cut off just like soccer now, August 31st, so all the kids were just fine.
Now that the rules have changed what will the new excuse be for not being as good as 91 or Express?
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by 429lax
Kill or be killed? Underlying forces at play? Really?

I don't think anyone enjoys completely blowing out an obviously less competitive team. This does not happen at the more established tournaments. I bet next year this same tournament will be more competitive as Fall Ball grows legs.

As for focus - Good will is good PR which is certainly good business. Businesses thrive on being able to recognize the situation they're in and then capitalize on it. Pounding a weaker team into the ground has no benefits.


Once again, you're confusing sport with business. The dominate business in any market draws the most customers..... and crush the competition.
Ever heard of Apple, JnJ, etc...
Biggest and the best just seem to get the most customers, nothing different here. Just on a smaller scale. Don't get upset about it, recognize what you're dealing with. Again, not a bad thing. Just what it is.
Look, on the flip side, these teams help a lot of kids to get better at the game. I'm not saying they don't. If you allow yourself to understand the bigger picture, all this stuff won't bother you. You can just accept it for what it is and focus on improving you're son's game. My kids have been doing this travel thing for years. I can't tell you the score one game from last summer, or four summers ago, nor could any of my kids.
I can tell you they are better lacrosse players!


I am not the one who is confused. I just don't agree with you. Comparing the business model of LI Club lacrosse to Apple is ridiculous on any scale. I don't begrudge or bash any organization; the consumer will decide if the value of their experience was worth it. In my opinion, an organization that promotes and delivers competitive lacrosse along with good values will draw a bigger market share than those that don't.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
... The new rules have the age cut off just like soccer now, August 31st, so all the kids were just fine. Now that the rules have changed what will the new excuse be for not being as good as 91 or Express?
This topic is not one related to just Team 91 or Team Express - let's clear that up right now. BOTC has let this discussion go far enough on the Express thread and will now step into the discussion.

The real issue is those of you involved in the youth lacrosse scene do not TRUST that age groups are being properly policed. The fact that US Lacrosse has issued new guidelines tied to getting a US Lacrosse-sanctioned tournament is great, but not everything is US Lacrosse sanctioned. All of which means that the TRUST issues will remain. As long as those TRUST issues remain, BOTC's message boards will be covered with such buzz.

The issue therefore comes back to how do you restore TRUST? First, you need to decide what organization exists that you do infact TRUST? Clearly, one can enforce birth dates at the tournament level, but that still opens a tournament organizer to questions of TRUST and turning the other way when players are checked-in for an event.

The only way to clear this TRUST barrier is to have US Lacrosse centrally sanction player passes and for the referee at the field to validate the roster and player passes at game time. Some youth lacrosse purists will bristle at this idea, but what other TRUST authority can you install in this process so that you have both the check and balance (sanctioning body, and referee) in validating the ages?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We should rename this post express bashing. There is never any positive that they have good teams, Good coaching and some really good players. Express had huge turn outs for tryouts at all ages. They will keep practicing all year to improve. Come the summer these kids will have been together for months. If other teams and organizations don't do the same that is their loss. Express players also play many sports but put in the time. Why don't you guys go to your teams post and complain about your own teams success.


When a team CHARGES MONEY for a TRYOUT, forms a team, then recruits newer/better players because the team turned out to be mediocre, then kicks some of the players to the curb and enters a tournament as a "new" team, what kind of reception do you really think they are going to get from parents?

The Express have proven themselves to be the lowest of the low.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When a team CHARGES MONEY for a TRYOUT, forms a team, then recruits newer/better players because the team turned out to be mediocre, then kicks some of the players to the curb and enters a tournament as a "new" team, what kind of reception do you really think they are going to get from parents?

The Express have proven themselves to be the lowest of the low.
We need some more information. Did additional players get added mid-season or was this part of the normal roster rotation that you have with adding and dropping players from tryouts? The two are very different scenarios. In the first case, you have a clear right to complain. In the second, we are not so sure.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We should rename this post express bashing. There is never any positive that they have good teams, Good coaching and some really good players. Express had huge turn outs for tryouts at all ages. They will keep practicing all year to improve. Come the summer these kids will have been together for months. If other teams and organizations don't do the same that is their loss. Express players also play many sports but put in the time. Why don't you guys go to your teams post and complain about your own teams success.


When a team CHARGES MONEY for a TRYOUT, forms a team, then recruits newer/better players because the team turned out to be mediocre, then kicks some of the players to the curb and enters a tournament as a "new" team, what kind of reception do you really think they are going to get from parents?

The Express have proven themselves to be the lowest of the low.


Looks like some people just can't let go of the barracudas. I don't know the express's intent on accepting this team for the tournamanet they played over the summer. I've read anything from it was just one tournament for the boys to play together to the express wanting to form another turtles type team. At this point, "it is what it is". The only sure thing that came out of it is that the club scene on LI for 2016 boys is vastly different then it was just a few months ago. If these changes are for the better or for the worse remains to be seen.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
"This topic is not one related to just Team 91 or Team Express - let's clear that up right now"
You are 100 percent correct. My son made a different travel team and I noted several of the kids had birthdays that were not age appropriate so I asked what they do when it is a us sanctioned event. The reply was that they are not sure, either those kids will not be allowed to play or the team will be required to play up in age , but was told most tournaments are not us lacrosse sanctioned.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
... The new rules have the age cut off just like soccer now, August 31st, so all the kids were just fine. Now that the rules have changed what will the new excuse be for not being as good as 91 or Express?
This topic is not one related to just Team 91 or Team Express - let's clear that up right now. BOTC has let this discussion go far enough on the Express thread and will now step into the discussion.

The real issue is those of you involved in the youth lacrosse scene do not TRUST that age groups are being properly policed. The fact that US Lacrosse has issued new guidelines tied to getting a US Lacrosse-sanctioned tournament is great, but not everything is US Lacrosse sanctioned. All of which means that the TRUST issues will remain. As long as those TRUST issues remain, BOTC's message boards will be covered with such buzz.

The issue therefore comes back to how do you restore TRUST? First, you need to decide what organization exists that you do infact TRUST? Clearly, one can enforce birth dates at the tournament level, but that still opens a tournament organizer to questions of TRUST and turning the other way when players are checked-in for an event.

The only way to clear this TRUST barrier is to have US Lacrosse centrally sanction player passes and for the referee at the field to validate the roster and player passes at game time. Some youth lacrosse purists will bristle at this idea, but what other TRUST authority can you install in this process so that you have both the check and balance (sanctioning body, and referee) in validating the ages?


They do it in football, why not lacrosse? One of my favorite pictures is my son standing mid field with his defender. My sons Helmet was below the boy's shoulders, they were 11 at the time. I asked one of the dads how old the kid was and he vehemently asserted that the boy was 11. My son heard this and came over to tell us no way dad the kid has a beard. Our kids got totally blown out, and there was a lot of monkey in the middle going on. The other coach did not inflate the score but honestly whats the point? I even tried to kid around with the other parents but they just made nasty comments and refused to acknowlege that there kids were older. They were from CT. So it's not just teams around here.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
... The new rules have the age cut off just like soccer now, August 31st, so all the kids were just fine. Now that the rules have changed what will the new excuse be for not being as good as 91 or Express?
This topic is not one related to just Team 91 or Team Express - let's clear that up right now. BOTC has let this discussion go far enough on the Express thread and will now step into the discussion.

The real issue is those of you involved in the youth lacrosse scene do not TRUST that age groups are being properly policed. The fact that US Lacrosse has issued new guidelines tied to getting a US Lacrosse-sanctioned tournament is great, but not everything is US Lacrosse sanctioned. All of which means that the TRUST issues will remain. As long as those TRUST issues remain, BOTC's message boards will be covered with such buzz.

The issue therefore comes back to how do you restore TRUST? First, you need to decide what organization exists that you do infact TRUST? Clearly, one can enforce birth dates at the tournament level, but that still opens a tournament organizer to questions of TRUST and turning the other way when players are checked-in for an event.

The only way to clear this TRUST barrier is to have US Lacrosse centrally sanction player passes and for the referee at the field to validate the roster and player passes at game time. Some youth lacrosse purists will bristle at this idea, but what other TRUST authority can you install in this process so that you have both the check and balance (sanctioning body, and referee) in validating the ages?


They do it in football, why not lacrosse? One of my favorite pictures is my son standing mid field with his defender. My sons Helmet was below the boy's shoulders, they were 11 at the time. I asked one of the dads how old the kid was and he vehemently asserted that the boy was 11. My son heard this and came over to tell us no way dad the kid has a beard. Our kids got totally blown out, and there was a lot of monkey in the middle going on. The other coach did not inflate the score but honestly whats the point? I even tried to kid around with the other parents but they just made nasty comments and refused to acknowlege that there kids were older. They were from CT. So it's not just teams around here.


The club teams operate outside of any leagues or govering body so they are left to be on the honor system. I know my son's team doesn't bring in any ringers. Some of the teams I saw this summer however just don't seem to care. Honestly, unless the individual tournmanet directors start asking for birth certificates and verifying them, I don't see anything changing in the near future. All the talk about ID cards and certified rosters are fine but who's going to pay for this and govern it? The quick answer is no one has the resources or money to implement it.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
EVERY top team in 2018 had older kids. Funny how the person that made the post singled out 91 and Express and forgot to mention other teams.
Stop crying over having a couple of kids that might be a couple of months older than others. Don't see the same complainers mention anything about teams that have young kids.
My sons' team happens to have a few of the youngest kids in the age group but you don't see us complaining about it.
The new rules have the age cut off just like soccer now, August 31st, so all the kids were just fine.
Now that the rules have changed what will the new excuse be for not being as good as 91 or Express?
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


No excuses jack wagon. Anytime you put kids on a team that should be playing in a higher grade due to age, to get an advantage, it's cheating. Sad. I bet you're under five nine !!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Read the age rules slick.

FYI. Your mom knows my height.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
if a team is 2018 then it is comprised of kids currently in 6th grade scheduled to graduate HS in 2018 - regardless of age so it is not cheating it is playing on a team based on school year not birth date, if you are on a 2018 team and they go to a U11 tournament and you your child does not fall into that age bracket of the tournament and they still play then that is cheating - but to arbitrarily say that they are cheating is not correct. As I understand the USLacrosse change of age rule it only pertains to teams and tournaments that are age based U15/U13 ect. and the cut off date is now Aug 31st. but again if you are on a 2018 team and playing in a 2018 league or tournament then any kid scheduled to graduate in 2018 being born in 1999 does not make him ineligible or a cheater.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Read the age rules slick.

FYI. Your mom knows my height.


Pass the popcorn, this getting good. LOL laugh
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Look, having kids on a team that are supposed to be on the next team up, simply put is cheating. If you want to justify it to yourself because they're in the same grade, great. When you have kids that are a year or potentially more than year older than the grade they're playing in it's wrong. When the average age is 11, and you have kids that are 12+ playing against them, it's an unfair advantage, period. When some crazy parent held their kid back and put them in kindergarten when they were 6 and a half that doesn't make it right. Now they're 12 and half and in sixth grade. That year extra of physical maturity is a major advantage. That kid belongs playing with kids his own age. Once again, the only way this garbage stops is when we start validating kids age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look, having kids on a team that are supposed to be on the next team up, simply put is cheating. If you want to justify it to yourself because they're in the same grade, great. When you have kids that are a year or potentially more than year older than the grade they're playing in it's wrong. When the average age is 11, and you have kids that are 12+ playing against them, it's an unfair advantage, period. When some crazy parent held their kid back and put them in kindergarten when they were 6 and a half that doesn't make it right. Now they're 12 and half and in sixth grade. That year extra of physical maturity is a major advantage. That kid belongs playing with kids his own age. Once again, the only way this garbage stops is when we start validating kids age.


I understand your point, the major problem with this thinking is that when the kid is in the summer going into 12th grade he will not have anywhere to play since he would be too old, but trust me, when they are getting recruited the college, the coaches want to know what year they are graduating not how old they are and in all school ball they will play by grade not age, I am a big believer in playing with your own grade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Sucks watching younger kids get physically beat up. But the truth is they get more out of that matchup than a bully team that folds when they finally play kids their own age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
X4N8Can you tell me why this age crap is on the express blog and does not have it's own forum. Also express filled all responsibilities last year and never did they relace any kid to make room for another
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
X4N8Can you tell me why this age crap is on the express blog and does not have it's own forum. Also express filled all responsibilities last year and never did they relace any kid to make room for another


Come on bro! The top teams @ Express and (others)recruit the older kids, that's why it's here. Also, kids who didn't even tryout showed up at all points during the season. They take playing time from other kids, who worked thier butt's off at practice to maybe get a little more playing time. Just a fact, its no big deal. Maybe the truth bothers you? Or do you have a guilty conscious? If that's your idea of "filled all responsibities", then that's all we need to know.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
X4N8Can you tell me why this age crap is on the express blog and does not have it's own forum. Also express filled all responsibilities last year and never did they relace any kid to make room for another


What about the age issue?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Been with express for a long time. They have never changed a kid that is team 91's motto have 3 friends there that it happened 2 ask an express parent not their way
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Been with express for a long time. They have never changed a kid that is team 91's motto have 3 friends there that it happened 2 ask an express parent not their way


Do any adults actually write like this?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I hope anonymous post from 10/6 about Coach Mcmanus is untrue. Know the Coach a few years now and all he has been to the EXpress is a good soldier, done what ever they asked. Had a very good team that was torn apart be higher ups, and still did well in the tornaments the played in.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Your a good friend for bring that back topic back up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Express is a business. Parents have to decide what works best for their kids. My son was getting skunked by our town PAL team when he was younger. He was always on the crap team so Express gave us the chance to get out there and play. He became so good that he started JV and moved up to Varsity Sophmore year. We live in a very competitive lacrosse town on the North Shore. Ultimately it became clear that Express favors the Chaminade kids and St Anthony's kids so it was time to go. He's now being recruited by top D3 AND D1 IVY schools playing for a different team. Believe me I am not preaching for EXPRESS. Its a good way to get your kid out there playing even if he's not on the A team. There are always options and parents need to do their homework and decide what works best for their kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Does anyone know if the Turtles are playing <Deleted> this Sunday?
7TH GRADE DIVISION
Doc's NYC
Northport
Palm Bay Hurricanes
Brotherhood
Prime Time 2018/2017
Tenacious Turtles
LI Outlaws
LI Express 2017 Crimi
LI Express 2017 Korwan
LI Jesters
I have the schedule for Sunday if anyone needs it

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
how about 6th grade schedule
Originally Posted by laxlaxlax
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know if the Turtles are playing in the <Deleted> this Sunday?

7TH GRADE DIVISION
Doc's NYC
Northport
Palm Bay Hurricanes
Brotherhood
Prime Time 2018/2017
Tenacious Turtles
LI Outlaws
LI Express 2017 Crimi
LI Express 2017 Korwan
LI Jesters
This tournament should have consulted with BOTC as several clubs in this age group (and immediately above and below) asked for tournament details for an event this weekend and nothing was on the BOTC calendar. As a result, about eight extra teams will not be playing this weekend. Bottom line is that there could have been more competition in this age group including at least one out of state club.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
When you read what the Express did do their OWN KIDS this summer and what other parents have written, why on earth would you want your son to play for this for-profit business when there are better, cheaper alternatives.

Seriously, who ever heard of charging an outrageous fee like that for a TRYOUT?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When you read what the Express did do their OWN KIDS this summer and what other parents have written, why on earth would you want your son to play for this for-profit business when there are better, cheaper alternatives.

Seriously, who ever heard of charging an outrageous fee like that for a TRYOUT?


you are a little late to bash express party and revisiting tryout fees is old and spent, Express is not the highest fee for tryouts or the most expensive team to play on,

on another note, my son's express team was put together in the middle of September - we have had 5 practices with our 6th scheduled this week - we have played six games and two scrimmages so far and we have 3 more tournaments scheduled for the fall - it may be expensive but I am getting value for my money, could not be any happier.

My suggestion is to go to the thread for your child's team and try to be as supportive and happy as you can be and stop questioning me for how I choose to spend my money or invest in my child's athletic future.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by CageSage
This tournament should have consulted with BOTC as several clubs in this age group (and immediately above and below) asked for tournament details for an event this weekend and nothing was on the BOTC calendar. As a result, about eight extra teams will not be playing this weekend. Bottom line is that there could have been more competition in this age group including at least one out of state club.


Dude- first off, they have 6 fields and all the fields are being used all day Sat. and Sunday, I doubt that they could have accommodated any additional teams and second tone it down with the "They Should have consulted with BOTC....." BOTC is a nice little web site for the local lacrosse scene but you are hardly the be all and end all.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dude- first off, they have 6 fields and all the fields are being used all day Sat. and Sunday, I doubt that they could have accommodated any additional teams and second tone it down with the "They Should have consulted with BOTC....." BOTC is a nice little web site for the local lacrosse scene but you are hardly the be all and end all.
Let's clear the decks on this issue. The tournament, the sponsoring organization, and all further references to the event are now officially off-limits. As your deleted points indicated, clearly they are all fine without BOTC - so, don't bother chatting them up here. Sounds fair to you, laxlaxlax?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
My son's Express team was also put together in September and we've heard very little, let alone have any practices, scrimmages or games.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
The Turtles are playing the 7th grade division with Express, Outlaws, Jesters, Northport
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I think that Express is a great team but I do have a complaint. I was personally asked if we were going to St. Anthony's and when I responded no, we never heard from them again. Makes you wonder.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son's Express team was also put together in September and we've heard very little, let alone have any practices, scrimmages or games.


Are you talking about summer teams- or Fall teams? Sorry- I am confused.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
by removing all commercial references does that include removing all mentions of corporations that run these youth teams and sponsor your site? when you put up tryout dates that have a fee attached how is that not a commercial reference? you have a great site but please me consistent and not hypocritical.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
by removing all commercial references does that include removing all mentions of corporations that run these youth teams and sponsor your site? when you put up tryout dates that have a fee attached how is that not a commercial reference? you have a great site but please me consistent and not hypocritical.
BOTC is certainly not removing all commerical references. Our policies across the board on tournaments and tryouts are very consistent and very transparent as our partners, sponsors, and readers would agree.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
by removing all commercial references does that include removing all mentions of corporations that run these youth teams and sponsor your site? when you put up tryout dates that have a fee attached how is that not a commercial reference? you have a great site but please me consistent and not hypocritical.
BOTC is certainly not removing all commerical references. Our policies across the board on tournaments and tryouts are very consistent and very transparent as our partners, sponsors, and readers would agree.


"Edit Reason: Removed Commercial References" - what you meant to say was removed for commercial references from someone we are not making money off of. and the real reason is because you got called out on your arrogant statement "they should have consulted us" when you really meant they should paid us. forget who your sponsors are and be fair and informative.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
by removing all commercial references does that include removing all mentions of corporations that run these youth teams and sponsor your site? when you put up tryout dates that have a fee attached how is that not a commercial reference? you have a great site but please me consistent and not hypocritical.
BOTC is certainly not removing all commerical references. Our policies across the board on tournaments and tryouts are very consistent and very transparent as our partners, sponsors, and readers would agree.


"Edit Reason: Removed Commercial References" - what you meant to say was removed for commercial references from someone we are not making money off of. and the real reason is because you got called out on your arrogant statement "they should have consulted us" when you really meant they should paid us. forget who your sponsors are and be fair and informative.
Since you are drawing the wrong conclusion, we will share the details.

The deleted statement made indicated in rather terse terms that the suggested tournament and the named sponsor were here "long before BOTC" and "did not need BOTC" to further their tournament. That statement is perfectly fine and we respect that perspective.

BOTC moderators did not do anything with this issue until we were specifically told that the tournament "did not need BOTC". We had left all of the information, including the advertisement, prior to being told that they "did not need BOTC". Our intention was to actually cover this tournament this weekend with results and team information as one of the first Fall season events. Instead, on-site coverage will launch with Thanksgiving weekend.

Thanks for writing; hopefully you now understand the full story.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by laxlaxlax
7TH GRADE DIVISION
Doc's NYC
Northport
Palm Bay Hurricanes
Brotherhood
Prime Time 2018/2017
Tenacious Turtles
LI Outlaws
LI Express 2017 Crimi
LI Express 2017 Korwan
LI Jesters



Interesting. I've been noticing that since the summer, the turtles typically are playing their grade level and not up as they have traditional done. Any one know why?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I heard the turtles played in "B" division over the summer in Maryland. Does anyone really care anymore about this over-hyped, glorified Express team anymore. It appears the coachesm and parents are on more of an EGO trip than the kids that play. Remember....Good players are just that "good players". All the other nonsense that goes on is just that.....Nonsense
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Half of the kids on the Turtles could be 2016 year grads based on birth year. Good thing those new USL cut off dates don't apply. My son played them last summmer and one of their dad's was talking about it. It's all about the win I guess.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard the turtles played in "B" division over the summer in Maryland. Does anyone really care anymore about this over-hyped, glorified Express team anymore. It appears the coachesm and parents are on more of an EGO trip than the kids that play. Remember....Good players are just that "good players". All the other nonsense that goes on is just that.....Nonsense


Should be interested to see how the 8th grade express teams handle them. I did notice last year in a few of the turltes games I saw that the year in age made a big difference in the size of the opponents they played and the turtles were literally getting man handled on the field.
The turtles are a talented team, they play hard and they practice weekly
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
They have 2016 graduating players (1998 birthdays)on the team. They have kids that cant play PAL football because of their age. I'm sure they will avoid any tournaments that would enforce age requirements. It's about putting pictures on the Express website.
I have a bud of mine whos son plays on the Turtles. They are a straight 7th grade team who played 8th grade lax at Farmingdale and destroyed every team including Northport Pro and the self proclaimed best team on LI Riptide 8th grade. I am pretty sure they dont avoid any team in their age group and play tourneys in 7th for safety of the kids, if that matters to anyone. I am glad my kid isnt on this team purely based on the target they have on their back due to parental animosity on sites like this towards a well coached and well oiled machine. Kudos to them!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They have 2016 graduating players (1998 birthdays)on the team. They have kids that cant play PAL football because of their age. I'm sure they will avoid any tournaments that would enforce age requirements. It's about putting pictures on the Express website.


A 1998 b-day doesn't always mean a 2016 (8th grade) graduation. Some December b-days will be a 2017 graduation year. If they knowingly play 8th graders in the 7th grade age brackets, that's another story all together. I'll don't know much about them other than seeing the team play a few times. No doubt a talented team that practices year round.
well said, my son knows many of the kids on the team and they are all 7th graders. Sometimes credit needs to be given wether you like it or not. My sons express team is playing them Sunday and are looking forward to it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Agreed, very talented team. Forget about them for a second and think of youth teams in general. Too often now,parents hold kids back (for one reason or another) and so their kids are the oldest in a particular grade. Definitely and advantage through PAL and U13, but most everyone catches up in the high school years and the extra year older is not as significant. This is probably a topic for a different thread.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
The turtles are very talented, but are not very big. As they progress, let's see if all of the kids stay on the team, or they jettison some players for size. That will make their parents go nuts for sure.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Its time for Adults to stop bashing a group of very talented 12/13 year olds. Personally know 6 kids and their families on the team they are a 7th grade team. They played up in certain tournaments to have better competition.
Not sure if the parents will go nuts. I for one know its my kid on the field playing and not me. Its his ride and I am just a chauffeur and supporter. I work hard to afford any means of improving his skill sets. I will not push him to pick up a stick or go to practice...luckily I do not have to. I do understand that when and if the time comes my kid is no longer capable of playing for the team he is on, I then need to seek alternatives, which as the sport develops, are ever increasing. One team does not stay together forever. My experience with baseball proved that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I believe the new US Lacrosse rule of Aug 31st birthday is fair and most LI club teams comply. NJ and PA base Kindergaten enrollment on the school year (Sept 1st). NY bases thiers on the calendar year (Dec 31st). Many NY parents with kids having Sept, Oct, Nov, and Dec birthdays start thier kids in Kindergarten based on the school year (Holding them back). If anything NY youth Lacrosse teams are at a disatvantage when playing out of state.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Can anyone provide some information and personal experiences with the Express girls' teams? Any info/comments would be appreciated.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone provide some information and personal experiences with the Express girls' teams? Any info/comments would be appreciated.


My daughter is a freshman in college she played for Express and her entire team is playing in college.Schools that are being attended by her team are Duke,Penn,Yale,Dartmouth,Georgetown,Maryland,Bucknell,American,Siena, Marist,Hofstra, That's just off the top of my head certainly a team worth considering.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My daughter is a freshman in college she played for Express and her entire team is playing in college.Schools that are being attended by her team are Duke,Penn,Yale,Dartmouth,Georgetown,Maryland,Bucknell,American,Siena, Marist,Hofstra, That's just off the top of my head certainly a team worth considering.
That is a tremendous list of academic choices not to mention the lacrosse/athletics point. Well done to those players and their parents. Many Top 30 schools in that collection!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Any child born In December would be born the previous year, as The cut off for Kindergarten is December 1st, However many kids born In September October and especially November either hold their kids back from Kindergarten or they end up repeating kindergarten, because they are only 4 at the start of Kindergarten, Ny Is one of the few states that sends Kindergarteners to school at four most states You Have to be 5 by September !st.
Therefore a lot of teams we verse in out of state tournaments would have many children born the previous year,compared to the express teams of Long Island That may only have a few.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Any one hear anything (good, bad, etc.) about the Checkmate Sharks that were recently formed? Ran by the founder of Checkmate lacrosse and former Adelphi alumni.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
For an early stage program seems to have had early success pulling in a few good kids that were dissatisfied with the cost, politics and overall experience of the larger programs. Quality guys running and coaching - I would take a look.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I haven't heard of the Checkmate Sharks, what age are they? My son played in the Lighthouse League on a free agent team and we played Gladiator Lacrosse. Anyone know anything about them? They were mostly 7th graders, but showed some skill.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I haven't heard of the Checkmate Sharks, what age are they? My son played in the Lighthouse League on a free agent team and we played Gladiator Lacrosse. Anyone know anything about them? They were mostly 7th graders, but showed some skill.
Gladiator Lacrosse was added to the Long Island Clubs content island on the right side of the screen last week. Two teams are currently on offer : a 5th grade team and a 7th grade team.

BOTC has been speaking with Bob Burns from the Gladiators and they might be thinking about expanding, but we do not have any further details. Their contact e-mail address is on their web site.
Some fun All-Long Island matchups coming up this weekend at the Fall Finale Classic in New Jersey. See the Tournaments Board for more details on all the games, schedules, and participating teams.

5th/6th Grade, Division A : LI Express 2018 Orange vs. LI Outlaws 2018, 10:30am, November 5th

5th/6th Grade, Division B : LI Express 2019 vs. LI Outlaws 2019, 10:30am, November 5th

7th/8th Grade, Division A : LI Express Orange vs. LI Outlaws 2016 Black
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone provide some information and personal experiences with the Express girls' teams? Any info/comments would be appreciated.


My daughter is a freshman in college she played for Express and her entire team is playing in college.Schools that are being attended by her team are Duke,Penn,Yale,Dartmouth,Georgetown,Maryland,Bucknell,American,Siena, Marist,Hofstra, That's just off the top of my head certainly a team worth considering.


Girls that will be seniors this year 2012 will be attending some of the following Schools Harvard,Brown Princeton, Georgetown,New Hampshire,Stony Brook,Catholic,American,Rutgers just to name a few there are more these are just the girls I know.
Regarding comments about age. All teams have kids born in the latter part of the year, remember the school cut off is December 1, therefore many parents around that age choose to hold their child back if born around then that is why USLacrosse has changed the age requirements for the divisions to August 31. See the Link below. As for the Turtles they have as many november 1998 as they do November 1999's so its not about age, its about ability.

http://www.uslacrosse.org/TopNav2Right/Events/2012USLRegionalChampionships/AgeRequirement.aspx

Regarding comments about "pictures on the website"? They play "up" very often...if it was about pix on the site wouldn't they always play their grade?

don't hate...appreciate.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
To say that having kids with November 98 birtdays doesn't make a difference is absurd. They are almost a year older than most of the kids they are playing against. My son with an October 99 bday, will be a much better, stonger player a whole year from now. If you choose to hold your kid back for academic reasons, you're not fooling anyone in the area of sports. We all know it is a win/win situation.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by CageSage
Some fun All-Long Island matchups coming up this weekend at the Fall Finale Classic in New Jersey. See the Tournaments Board for more details on all the games, schedules, and participating teams.

5th/6th Grade, Division A : LI Express 2018 Orange vs. LI Outlaws 2018, 10:30am, November 5th

5th/6th Grade, Division B : LI Express 2019 vs. LI Outlaws 2019, 10:30am, November 5th

7th/8th Grade, Division A : LI Express Orange vs. LI Outlaws 2016 Black


Scores? Results?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Long Island Express 2018 Orange won their bracket it was a great job by all. Hats off to the Outlaws for continuing to take the face off even when the refs gave them the ball when they were down by 7 or more. Express only gave up two goals in four games! Defense was awesome.
I'm not trying to be argumentative and in fact I agree with you, my point is everyone is doing this especially in Maryland. Take a look at any Div 1 teams roster and look at the birthyear's of the freshman all of them are older than what would equal your son's age.

based on your son being a 1999/7th grader the equivalent for a collge Freshman would be 1993. See chart below:
1999/7th
1998/8th
1997/9th
1996/10th
1995/11th
1994/12th
1993/College freshman

Here is UNC Freshmans Birthyear directly from their website.

Jan/1992
Jan/1992
Feb/1992
Feb/1992
Mar/1992
Aug/1992
Sept/1992
Sept/1992
Oct/1992
Nov/1992
Mar/1993

They only have 1 1993 on the roster as a freshman!

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by laxmachine
I'm not trying to be argumentative and in fact I agree with you, my point is everyone is doing this especially in Maryland. Take a look at any Div 1 teams roster and look at the birthyear's of the freshman all of them are older than what would equal your son's age.

based on your son being a 1999/7th grader the equivalent for a collge Freshman would be 1993. See chart below:
1999/7th
1998/8th
1997/9th
1996/10th
1995/11th
1994/12th
1993/College freshman

Here is UNC Freshmans Birthyear directly from their website.

Jan/1992
Jan/1992
Feb/1992
Feb/1992
Mar/1992
Aug/1992
Sept/1992
Sept/1992
Oct/1992
Nov/1992
Mar/1993

They only have 1 1993 on the roster as a freshman!
Great post and very true!

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by laxmachine
I'm not trying to be argumentative and in fact I agree with you, my point is everyone is doing this especially in Maryland. Take a look at any Div 1 teams roster and look at the birthyear's of the freshman all of them are older than what would equal your son's age.

based on your son being a 1999/7th grader the equivalent for a collge Freshman would be 1993. See chart below:
1999/7th
1998/8th
1997/9th
1996/10th
1995/11th
1994/12th
1993/College freshman

Here is UNC Freshmans Birthyear directly from their website.

Jan/1992
Jan/1992
Feb/1992
Feb/1992
Mar/1992
Aug/1992
Sept/1992
Sept/1992
Oct/1992
Nov/1992
Mar/1993

They only have 1 1993 on the roster as a freshman!



please confirm where you goit this, UNC I believe UNC web site is still showing last years roster - an example is Billy Bitter listed as a Freshman and born in Jan 1992 is now a Sophomore and as a '92 he is in the "correct" grade
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
to correct a post made in error - that is the 2012 roster and it is Jimmy Bitter - and he is a freshman - sorry
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Is there anyone here who is a parent of a kid on the Express team going to the NPYLL tournament this weekend?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Yes why?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
that's Jimmy Bitter not Billy. Jimmy is a 2011 graduate and a current freshman. PLease see the link.

http://www.tarheelblue.com/sports/m-lacros/mtt/unc-m-lacros-mtt.html
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes why?


Hello. Can you email me at laxparent@mail.com? I promise you I am not going to spam you or disparage the Express. Since you guys are going to the NPYLL Fall Fest tournament, I thought you might be interested in something. It's not gossip or anything related to the tournament or teams.

Thanks.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes why?


Hello. Can you email me at laxparent@mail.com? I promise you I am not going to spam you or disparage the Express. Since you guys are going to the NPYLL Fall Fest tournament, I thought you might be interested in something. It's not gossip or anything related to the tournament or teams.

Thanks.
Why not become a registered user here on BOTC which allows you to use our on-board private messaging system?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Just post it here if it is an interesting point
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
It's not an interesting point or anything. Just something intended for a parent of the Express team that is going to this tournament.

Again, please email me at laxparent@mail.com (note - mail.com, not gmail.com). Thanks!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not an interesting point or anything. Just something intended for a parent of the Express team that is going to this tournament.

Again, please email me at laxparent@mail.com (note - mail.com, not gmail.com). Thanks!


Come on! Tell us man!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Congratulations to LI Express 2018 Orange on winning this past weekend at the Skulls and Bones tournament at the Greenvale School.Great job players and coaches!
Congratulations to LI Express 2017 Korwin Team, they won Skull and Bones tournament this past weekend. Well done boys!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Is it really just about winning tournaments and getting pictures on the website. Express 2018 Orange is a good team, but how is winning 12-0 every game going to make our boys better? I hear 91 orange (2018) plays up every tournament. Is it really about winning? Or is it about having good competitive games?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Is this the 2017 Blue team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it really just about winning tournaments and getting pictures on the website. Express 2018 Orange is a good team, but how is winning 12-0 every game going to make our boys better? I hear 91 orange (2018) plays up every tournament. Is it really about winning? Or is it about having good competitive games?

91 Orange played up in 1 maybe 2 tourneys last year. Good team, but they needed to get a couple easy wins for the website too!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
2018 Express did, by far, the least competitive tournaments last year.
A classic last summer was traveling a few hours into PA to destroy a few teams instead of playing at a competitive tournament, LI Laxfest, right in their own backyard. Come on already.
This Fall playing against 6th grade town teams is really going to challenge the kids. Only ones getting any benefit from that is the kids on the town teams that have to actually work.
Lets not forget to mention the LACK of sportsmanship. Hey everybody we can score 40 plus goals in a game against younger kids and town teams. Weeeeeeeeeeeee. I'm sorry but if my son kept shooting I would be pissed. Teach the kids respect for the game and class.
Very surprised they actually went to Trilax.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 Express did, by far, the least competitive tournaments last year.
A classic last summer was traveling a few hours into PA to destroy a few teams instead of playing at a competitive tournament, LI Laxfest, right in their own backyard. Come on already.
This Fall playing against 6th grade town teams is really going to challenge the kids. Only ones getting any benefit from that is the kids on the town teams that have to actually work.
Lets not forget to mention the LACK of sportsmanship. Hey everybody we can score 40 plus goals in a game against younger kids and town teams. Weeeeeeeeeeeee. I'm sorry but if my son kept shooting I would be pissed. Teach the kids respect for the game and class.
Very surprised they actually went to Trilax.


point well taken, this is why Express players that stay in the program never develop into good players, never play in high school and never sign with good colleges, it is really a wonder how they can even get enough kids in an age to field a team, they suck - if you have a good 2018 team, please contact them and set up a game so your team can teach them a lesson.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
It's true they have always produced great players but it seems as though their younger teams are not as good as they used to be.
I never heard of them doing such garbage tournaments in the past. They always seemed to challenge the kids. Now it just seems like winning anything to throw pictures on the website to attract people. Just call it as I see it.
My children have been involved with the program for years.
They used to be the only game in town. Not anymore!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
OMG When did this site turn into express bashing 101 site. For anyone to say that the express kids growing up don't go to good colleges or play good lacrosse is absurd. Sounds like they kicked your but and your jealous of a good program.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OMG When did this site turn into express bashing 101 site. For anyone to say that the express kids growing up don't go to good colleges or play good lacrosse is absurd. Sounds like they kicked your but and your jealous of a good program.


sarcasm (&#712;s&#593;&#720;kćz&#601;m)
1. mocking, contemptuous, or ironic language intended to convey scorn or insult

the post was obviously (or so I thought) sarcastic as it is obvious the talent that comes out of the express program year after year
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
The comment about Express players not being that good was sarcastic.
Read the whole post next time. I didn't even write it but its easy to figure out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
totally agree
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
That is some BS man. Mike chanenchuck coached at least two blue teams in the last summer season and when your on the blue or any other color you get alot of time devoted to you by the coach. You can tell by just watching.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congratulations to LI Express 2018 Orange on winning this past weekend at the Skulls and Bones tournament at the Greenvale School.Great job players and coaches!

they played 5/6 grade division right! come on! do what 2018 orange team 91 does they have been playing all u13 except 1 and another played 7/8.
-note they are 6 grade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
WoW I wonder which 91 Orange parent this could be doing all the bashing??? Let me guess...by the way 2018 Express Orange players did a great job playing some great 7th/8th grade(with a few 9th graders thrown in) competition today and won 2 and lost 1! Stop the hating,you made a choice be happy for your child and move on...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congratulations to LI Express 2018 Orange on winning this past weekend at the Skulls and Bones tournament at the Greenvale School.Great job players and coaches!

they played 5/6 grade division right! come on! do what 2018 orange team 91 does they have been playing all u13 except 1 and another played 7/8.
-note they are 6 grade.



has this team played any of the express 2017 teams? If they can beat any of them we'll talk.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
2018 Express Orange did beat 2017 Orange at the OBLL Turkey Shootout it was a great competitive game played by all the kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
can someone tell me what the differnce is between Express Orange and Blue girls teams? is one team an "A" team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Are all the tryouts over? when do they post rosters?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
MY son now 14 and a maybe just a little big for his age now,but went through a very large growth spurt at age 11 and looked 13, I actually had a parent run after us after a game accusing us of playing our son down, some kids are bigger than others and people should not assume a kid is older just because he looks older.
I think most of these parents that have a problem with this have small boys, no matter what the new August 31st rule is there will always be players almost a year older as there are 12 months in a year.its very petty really,
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
They are over for 2014,but not 2013, It typically takes about a week after final try outs to receive notice about team placement, I think most kids make a team, I think its more about placement.
Express just tweeted that their 2016 Orange (i think thats the baracuda group?) team beat all the teams at the Duke Invitational. They won a couple of games by 7 goals...tough comp at that tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Just curious and I was one of those parents. Were there any refunds provided for any of the players placed on teams for the turkey shootout? My Son plays defense and his team was a combo team we had at least 10 longpoles on our team for 75 dollars per player not enough time in a game to please that many kids... Just wondering because my wife was told some would get refund.
Posted By: Anonymous Long Island Express 2014 Teams -
Any word on Express 2014 team selections?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
It's been more than two weeks, anybody?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Is there a site that lists the teams in this tournament and/or results?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express 2014 Teams -
Maybe you missed an email we heard a week ago what color 2014 team my son made and deposit was due last Friday
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Emails were sent out last week there were however 130 boys trying out and only 3 teams of 24 made up ,so over 50 boys may not have made a team,unless maybe they are adding a fourth team,they may be doing teams in order of ability to see who actually pays as we only had 24 hours to do so or spot was given to another kid
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's been more than two weeks, anybody?


Yes emails went out last wednesday
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Emails were sent out last week there were however 130 boys trying out and only 3 teams of 24 made up ,so over 50 boys may not have made a team,unless maybe they are adding a fourth team,they may be doing teams in order of ability to see who actually pays as we only had 24 hours to do so or spot was given to another kid

Correction 48 hours not 24
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Congratulations to the LI Express 6th Grade Orange and 8th Grade Orange for winning the Winter National Tournament in NJ last weekand earned a spot to play at halftime of the Bi City Classic in April at the MetLife stadium.
Congratulations to LI Express Turtles team for winning in Tampa FL this weekend at the Dicks tournament. Nice job representing LI Express and Long Island lacrosse!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
This is getting out of control, all this money and we get nothing! my sons team hardly ever practices, what is going on here. we left the outlaws for this what a travesty!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
which team are you on? i know some teams play more but there is additional costs involved. My son is on the Korwin team and i could not be happier (my son loves it)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Clearly on the wrong one practice tops per week and no indoor league its glorified town ball! We played in one winter tournament and got embarrassed vs another travel team very disappointed, maybe thats why they want the money up front. I feel ripped off! Our coach coaches another express team as well problem is our team is in shambles.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Your sons team is a cash team. Its all about the $ at this point. The problem is that we keep paying the money. If your not on Orange the LI Express is just looking for the money. I have to say that they have a nice business model. Send your kid to public school and join another organization.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your sons team is a cash team. Its all about the $ at this point. The problem is that we keep paying the money. If your not on Orange the LI Express is just looking for the money. I have to say that they have a nice business model. Send your kid to public school and join another organization.


Really? It's about the $$? Well isn't every club about making $$? Isn't youth lax clubs a business? Aren't business SUPPOSE to try to MAKE $$$$?!!? Wake up son! Pay the $$ if your kid is LEARNING the proper way to pay lax! A way that u might not know how to teach your kid yourself..,therefore u PAY someone like the Express Directors. Trust me, Express is NOT only about $$!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
How can you explain our coach NEVER practicing or hardly ever practicing No leagues then puts our kids in a tournament setting them up for failure (getting embarrassed)!! He coaches his other sons team (which cant even wear express colors) and thats all he cares about! We have had more payments then practices! Just find a different coach if you dont have the time. $$uggh
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your sons team is a cash team. Its all about the $ at this point. The problem is that we keep paying the money. If your not on Orange the LI Express is just looking for the money. I have to say that they have a nice business model. Send your kid to public school and join another organization.


Really? It's about the $$? Well isn't every club about making $$? Isn't youth lax clubs a business? Aren't business SUPPOSE to try to MAKE $$$$?!!? Wake up son! Pay the $$ if your kid is LEARNING the proper way to pay lax! A way that u might not know how to teach your kid yourself..,therefore u PAY someone like the Express Directors. Trust me, Express is NOT only about $$!

Not every club is a business. There are clubs that don't make money.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clearly on the wrong one practice tops per week and no indoor league its glorified town ball! We played in one winter tournament and got embarrassed vs another travel team very disappointed, maybe thats why they want the money up front. I feel ripped off! Our coach coaches another express team as well problem is our team is in shambles.


ADVICE!!! If your team is in a shambles, contact Mike Chanenchuk directly and i guarantee he fixes it!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your sons team is a cash team. Its all about the $ at this point. The problem is that we keep paying the money. If your not on Orange the LI Express is just looking for the money. I have to say that they have a nice business model. Send your kid to public school and join another organization.


Really? It's about the $$? Well isn't every club about making $$? Isn't youth lax clubs a business? Aren't business SUPPOSE to try to MAKE $$$$?!!? Wake up son! Pay the $$ if your kid is LEARNING the proper way to pay lax! A way that u might not know how to teach your kid yourself..,therefore u PAY someone like the Express Directors. Trust me, Express is NOT only about $$!

Not every club is a business. There are clubs that don't make money.


Ok, fair enough. So, if not every club makes $$? How good is that club? Who is COACHING those "freebie" clubs? You get what u pay for.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clearly on the wrong one practice tops per week and no indoor league its glorified town ball! We played in one winter tournament and got embarrassed vs another travel team very disappointed, maybe thats why they want the money up front. I feel ripped off! Our coach coaches another express team as well problem is our team is in shambles.


ADVICE!!! If your team is in a shambles, contact Mike Chanenchuk directly and i guarantee he fixes it!


I have no doubt that he will fix it, that being said I know that the teams you make and payments made are for Summer 2012 and practices for that do no start untill May. We were offered additional fall and winter programs and they were at an additional cost and strictly voluntary. This is my first year with Express and my son and I could not be happier.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
No doubt we have some 91 parents claiming to be Express parents. Just curious, Is it your week to go over to Joe's house and clean his bathrooms. Keep kissing his butt. Do you really think he cares about your sons skills more than he does getting his picture posted on the website with his finger in the air. Think about it..........
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
So why are some teams practicing more than others!!?? ONCE A WEEK with no winter leagues you think is ok? This has NOTHING to do with 91 people! Sounds like we are on the same team! This is ok with you? Its not for me
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
HI BOBBY we knew it was you!! How have you been!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
wow! there couldn't be an express family having a bad experience, could there? It's this arrogant attitude that typifies the express experience. This program is just a cash and publicity grab for most families. Just telling it like it is!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
You should really read what you're writing. You're just making a fool of yourself.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No doubt we have some 91 parents claiming to be Express parents. Just curious, Is it your week to go over to Joe's house and clean his bathrooms. Keep kissing his butt. Do you really think he cares about your sons skills more than he does getting his picture posted on the website with his finger in the air. Think about it..........
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
As with any team some are happy and some are not.The Express program was very clear about saying the team your son made is a summer travel team.There is additional training sessions,practices,tournaments,winter leagues available to all at additional cost. Which is necessarry and expected to pay fees for fields and entry registration fees. If you are not happy contact a director all info is on the website and they will help you. My child is on a orange team and we get the same amount of practices right now as everyone else. We do have other things available to do just like you at additional cost. We even have 91 players paying to come to Express training sessions because it is avialble to anyone that is interested in learning and training. So to those that want it there is more than enough available just ask...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
can anybody explain NPYLL- Express is playing in? are all games in Balt.? is there going to be a northern Div.?

thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
saw a tweet last night on 91's twitter. It was promoting the success of one of their COACHES in NLL! I also follow Express twitter (my kid is Exp player) where their twitter constantly promotes their PLAYER accomplishments. BIG difference in the mindset of the two clubs in the statement I just typed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Coaching ALWAYS ALWAYS matters, Funny thing is your following them. 91 has only been around 3-4 years so of course they wont have as many older player accomplishments. duhh. Remember who ever is coaching your kid is all that matters. As someone whos kids are long through this process. If your happy stay happy. I always wanted quality people coaching my boys. People who can show them and tell them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Coaching ALWAYS ALWAYS matters, Funny thing is your following them. 91 has only been around 3-4 years so of course they wont have as many older player accomplishments. duhh. Remember who ever is coaching your kid is all that matters. As someone whos kids are long through this process. If your happy stay happy. I always wanted quality people coaching my boys. People who can show them and tell them.


why is it funny I follow 91 on twitter? We are very happy with our kids with Express. So why is whom i choose to follow on twitter funny?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Coaching ALWAYS ALWAYS matters, Funny thing is your following them. 91 has only been around 3-4 years so of course they wont have as many older player accomplishments. duhh. Remember who ever is coaching your kid is all that matters. As someone whos kids are long through this process. If your happy stay happy. I always wanted quality people coaching my boys. People who can show them and tell them.


why is it funny I follow 91 on twitter? We are very happy with our kids with Express. So why is whom i choose to follow on twitter funny?



I gueess you missed all the other tweets tehn.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Who are the Piranhas?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
saw a tweet last night on 91's twitter. It was promoting the success of one of their COACHES in NLL! I also follow Express twitter (my kid is Exp player) where their twitter constantly promotes their PLAYER accomplishments. BIG difference in the mindset of the two clubs in the statement I just typed.

Don't have a child on either team, but have no problem with this at all. You want your kids to be successful and your coaches to be accomplished as well.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who are the Piranhas?


They are one of the 2017 Express Orange Teams (Korwin)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by LAXER DAD
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who are the Piranhas?


They are one of the 2017 Express Orange Teams (Korwin)


Thanks. I guess the express teams all have nicknames these days.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
They are the white team. turtles are orange. Coach mac is blue team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
can anybody explain NPYLL- Express is playing in? are all games in Balt.? is there going to be a northern Div.?

thanks


I would guess Express cut a deal with them where they can play 2 or 3 games in a day so they are only making a few trips a year vs. a trip every weekend. You can find the NPYLL on the web if you need more info about the league.

They seem to have a few good teams there along with the not so good teams. Just like any other league. Don't know the reasoning behind it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by LAXER DAD
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who are the Piranhas?


They are one of the 2017 Express Orange Teams (Korwin)


Korwins team is the piranhas...NOT orange team. McManus team is Orange team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by LAXER DAD
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who are the Piranhas?


They are one of the 2017 Express Orange Teams (Korwin)


Korwins team is the piranhas...NOT orange team. McManus team is Orange team.


Both teams are orange, check the website under tournament winners. Both teams are the "a" teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
If that makes every one feel better, they are both orange. The turtles are white.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They are the white team. turtles are orange. Coach mac is blue team.


LMAO you have absolutely NO clue on what your talking about.

The Turtles are the Turtles, they are NOT the Orange team.

McManus team is the Orange Team, NOT the blue team.

Korwans team was added as another A level team, so they are far from a white team

Do some research before you post your nonsense
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They are the white team. turtles are orange. Coach mac is blue team.


LMAO you have absolutely NO clue on what your talking about.

The Turtles are the Turtles, they are NOT the Orange team.

McManus team is the Orange Team, NOT the blue team.

Korwans team was added as another A level team, so they are far from a white team

Do some research before you post your nonsense


Thanks for correcting that knucklehead! Clueless.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
three teams at the same age group and they are AA teams? Turtles beat mcmanus and corwin every time. if they were all the same level, whatever you want to call it, they would each take turns winning. and if mcmanus or corwin manage to recruit a really good player then the turtles will poach him.

ps please dont forget to buy your new helmets and gloves this yr
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
2017 Turtles (Express)- (AA) team, we (those that are familiar with local 2017) all know this and accept them as a high performing group of kids through, at least, this year.

2017 Express McManus and Korwan (not corwin)- (A) teams, I will speak to what I know, and the potential is there to do well, time will tell as there are many new players. They almost never play Turtles. Korwan has never played Turtles (fact). Many kids that play for a team actually elect to play for that specific team.

2017 Express Crimson- (B)team

Boys and men are no different, they all like new toys. Like an adult never wanted a new driver to hit the ball straight. Let the kids get whatever they want if it makes THEM happy.

All clear??

Originally Posted by Anonymous
three teams at the same age group and they are AA teams? Turtles beat mcmanus and corwin every time. if they were all the same level, whatever you want to call it, they would each take turns winning. and if mcmanus or corwin manage to recruit a really good player then the turtles will poach him.

ps please dont forget to buy your new helmets and gloves this yr
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
three teams at the same age group and they are AA teams? Turtles beat mcmanus and corwin every time. if they were all the same level, whatever you want to call it, they would each take turns winning. and if mcmanus or corwin manage to recruit a really good player then the turtles will poach him.

ps please dont forget to buy your new helmets and gloves this yr


Another rather silly post

Everyone that has a kid playing at the 2017 age group knows the Turtles are in a league of their own, Noone on this board has stated that either McManus or Korwans teams can compete with the turtles at this point.

Korwans team is a new group of very talented kids who will be playing at the A level this spring and summer. I can tell you that they will definitely be a tough out for anyone at the A level.

McManus has a solid , talented group as well.

McManus and Korwan have A level teams, case closed. The Turtles are in a whole different stratosphere, but don't think for a second that doesn't come with a price.

As far as helmets and gloves. Who really cares?
Very good and accurate assessment
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
What Happened when MacManus played the Turtles last year, I heard one of the games was close.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What Happened when MacManus played the Turtles last year, I heard one of the games was close.

I wasnt there but heard that McManus played them in the finals of a tourney last year..Shut down their top scorers. It was a real good game from what I heard. Its tough for mcmanus or Korwin, they get the best players taken by you know who..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Sadly enough this is very true, and a blind eye is turned to this, my sons team has had friends taken. It is bad enough people from other clubs doing this but in our own backyard??!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Is that Team still in place, maybe they got better.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What Happened when MacManus played the Turtles last year, I heard one of the games was close.

I wasnt there but heard that McManus played them in the finals of a tourney last year..Shut down their top scorers. It was a real good game from what I heard. Its tough for mcmanus or Korwin, they get the best players taken by you know who..


The game was a semifinal at Summer Sizzle. Score was 5-2 with 10 seconds left after a rediculous call by stripes. Final score was 5-3.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What Happened when MacManus played the Turtles last year, I heard one of the games was close.

I wasnt there but heard that McManus played them in the finals of a tourney last year..Shut down their top scorers. It was a real good game from what I heard. Its tough for mcmanus or Korwin, they get the best players taken by you know who..


1-Turtles didn't take ANYONE from McManus this year! Not one player.
2-Turtles didn't take ANYONE from Korwin this year! Not one player
(so your "best players get taken by you know who" comment is wrong)
3-McManus has half of a brand new team but did get a few 91 Orange players that are on that team now and several other good players from other teams.
4-Big losses for McManus is a very good F/O guy (went to a different club) and lost goalie. Attack & Defense (with new additions) is extremely solid. Still has two of his top middies and picked up two other big fast middies. So not really sure why they aren't winning.
5-The "lets blame the Turtles" line is such BS, coach the kids up & worry about whats going on in your OWN yard.



Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I was there it was 5-2 in a 30 minute running time game. it was 5-1 and they scored with 10 seconds left. I think McManus' team scored the first goal of the game also.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
who True Blue? how many guys left Mcmanus last year...let's face the facts, players aren't getting taken they are leaving.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
If you are referring to the term "poaching" its simply ridiculous...every team is looking for the best players. There are no rules here unless you would like to make them up and post them on the site for all to agree. Every parent has the opportunity to say yes or no to any offer made to them about where there son may play. No one forces any parent or player to play on a team it is an offer that is entended either after a tryout or when an opening happens. Its a free country and as far as I know no club has a policy that allows them the move players without there consent. So enough with poaching, generally speaking most people leave the team they were on for a better opportunity just like you would do with your job or any other chance to better yourself or your family.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I'm pretty sure every club team tries to have a AA team and a few other teams that boys should be able to move up to fluidly as they get better. Which by the way it is communicated clearly to all involved. People should be thrilled for boys that earn the right to make a better team. It will happen more and more as they get older, embrace their success.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Not every club has AA and A ect. fl$ has one team per grade and that is how they choose to do it and it seems to work for them, Express has 3-4 per grade and that seems to work for them - as for the poaching, my son left an organization that we were very happy with because he wanted to tryout for a better team and play against better competition - He made the top team in his age group and we decided to let him try it even thought it was a lot more money and time commitment - I am sure people from his old team would consider that poaching but we were never approached by anyone asking us to come to the express - this was something my son wanted on his own.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
You seem a little sensitive about the topic????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Turtles in Another stratosphere?? Wow !! I will gen-u-flect the next time i am in their presence. 91 with their "big middies" will beat them this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles in Another stratosphere?? Wow !! I will gen-u-flect the next time i am in their presence. 91 with their "big middies" will beat them this year.


blahhhh...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
91 added ONE let me repeat that ONE new big middie. Turtles have nothing to worry about in their age group. 91 should worry about the other teams like True Blue and the 2 Express groups.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
You seem to be very accurate and educated on this situation. I think most of these people are referring to Kids leaving in prior years. The Turtles work harder than any other Team. When another Team dedicates the time to practice and train like the Turtles do, they will see some of the same results.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Parents should not write checks that their kids can't cash, its not fair to the kids that generally respect and enjoy one another to create this type of challenges and animosity. I have never seen a 91 kid and Express kid or whoever show any ill will toward each other...only the parents do that.

Parents should stay out of it and let the kids play and enjoy the game without creating this atmosphere of hate.

Have to disagree, a "Hills" player said some disparaging remarks to my son just last summer. A big reason why our son does not want to be a part of "91." But you are correct about one thing, this player must of heard parents complaining, it was what he it taught and heard. Parents are a big problem in any organization, especially the HILLS parents. The kid never appologized for his cruel words, but his father and the coaches did.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Laxinator
Have to disagree, a "Hills" player said some disparaging remarks to my son just last summer. A big reason why our son does not want to be a part of "91." But you are correct about one thing, this player must of heard parents complaining, it was what he it taught and heard. Parents are a big problem in any organization, especially the HILLS parents. The kid never appologized for his cruel words, but his father and the coaches did.


I don't think it's fair to have the words of one person taint your opinion of the 91 organization or Hills parents/player. However, I do understand that it is human nature.


My son has played with and against many Hills players over the last few years, he hasn't found one yet he didn't like. I can say the same for the parents.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
you hit it on the head Laxinator. My son played 91 last year and our team, which came over from a different organization was then flooded with Hills kids and parents and totally went to junk. Everyone not from Hills left and did not return this year.
The attitude and the infighting that the attitudes brought was not worth it nor did we want to be associated with it. At the end of the season, my son turned to me and said "dad, i do not want to play for 91 ever again." That was enough for me and that came from an 11 year old.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
So sad, really don't why those Hills people act the way they do, but it has a trickle down affect on their children. They have a great program over there at the HILLS why don't they just do their own thing. They are used to running the show, and for some reason everyone caters to them. My children would never treat another human being the way this child did. I agree we are staying far away from Team91. They can have all those Hills peeps
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles in Another stratosphere?? Wow !! I will gen-u-flect the next time i am in their presence. 91 with their "big middies" will beat them this year.


The Turtles will smack the 91 A team around like they always do. 91 barely beat McManus team in the fall and 91 had a few 8th graders with em.

I dont understand everyones hostility towards the Turtles. They are an extremely good lacrosse team that seemingly work very hard at what they do. They strive for excellence and in a world filled with mediocrity I dont see anything wrong with it.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So sad, really don't why those Hills people act the way they do, but it has a trickle down affect on their children. They have a great program over there at the HILLS why don't they just do their own thing. They are used to running the show, and for some reason everyone caters to them. My children would never treat another human being the way this child did. I agree we are staying far away from Team91. They can have all those Hills peeps


No one seems to like them Hills folks. Seems that same attitude carries over to 91, people seem to dislike them as well
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Parents should not write checks that their kids can't cash, its not fair to the kids that generally respect and enjoy one another to create this type of challenges and animosity. I have never seen a 91 kid and Express kid or whoever show any ill will toward each other...only the parents do that.

Parents should stay out of it and let the kids play and enjoy the game without creating this atmosphere of hate.


Have to disagree with you here. Kids are not immune to disliking one another and I have already seen some rivalries at this age group. I agree with you that the Parents do add fuel to the fire, but the boys are getting to the point where they develop rivalries that spill over off the field as well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Oh brother. How did yhe koolaid taste. JM and 91 are ready to get into the stratusphere. Turtles will lose the faceoff battle against the big guys. Looks like the turtles will have to share the rarified air.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Again, Unless this is JM talking...you should keep quiet. Let the the players speak for themselves and stop the nonsense. Notice you dont see anyone on this site representing the Turtles saysin they are the best...they let the boys play. That's what matters.

What happens here is that people read this stuff, create an unnecessary conflict while hiding behind their computers and then send the kids out onto the field to battle it out.

Unless you are the coach of the team or a player.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous


The Turtles ... strive for excellence and in a world filled with mediocrity



Hyperbole much? You realize you are talking about 12-13 year olds, right? Good Lord - get a grip.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
If you are from 91 ask yourself this question. Who didn't 91 Orange play in the last session of indoor? What other team was in there?

You played us (Three village) twice yet you didn't play another team that happened to win all their games? Interesting.

Figure it out yet?

HINT: The were Red and Blue and a few of them wore Purple helmets.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
MY kid is on a orange 2017 team he is very happy. He looks forward to playing the Turtles because he respects them, he thinks they are great the way they pass,shoot,faceoff, play defense.He wants to be on the Turtles will it happen most likely not, but if that motivates him to do the side work to become a better player nonething wrong with that.Do I believe the Turtle kids are the best 21 kids on long island no.but they are the team to beat.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]

The Turtles ... strive for excellence and in a world filled with mediocrity



Hyperbole much? You realize you are talking about 12-13 year olds, right? Good Lord - get a grip.

Say what you want, but take a look at those Turtle kids in 5 years from now, I can almost guarantee you a large majority of them will be playing this game at the next level. They are learning the value of hard work, dedication and teamwork, what's the problem with that?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you are from 91 ask yourself this question. Who didn't 91 Orange play in the last session of indoor? What other team was in there?

You played us (Three village) twice yet you didn't play another team that happened to win all their games? Interesting.

Figure it out yet?

HINT: The were Red and Blue and a few of them wore Purple helmets.

LMAO, yeah JM doesn't like losing to town teams, thats for sure.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MY kid is on a orange 2017 team he is very happy. He looks forward to playing the Turtles because he respects them, he thinks they are great the way they pass,shoot,faceoff, play defense.He wants to be on the Turtles will it happen most likely not, but if that motivates him to do the side work to become a better player nonething wrong with that.Do I believe the Turtle kids are the best 21 kids on long island no.but they are the team to beat.


Mostly my son wants to be a turtle to get one of those uniforms, Lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Can't wait 'til spring/summer when all this talk will be put to bed and the teams will settle this on the field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Good recap. You know your facts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh brother. How did yhe koolaid taste. JM and 91 are ready to get into the stratusphere. Turtles will lose the faceoff battle against the big guys. Looks like the turtles will have to share the rarified air.


The best "Big guy" faceoff man is playing for True Blue next best is with the Gladiators and already has played for the Turtles in Florida so they seem to have addressed their lack of size at the faceoff dot.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Having watched the Turtles play over the last few years, I appreciate that they function extremely well as a TEAM. They should, they have the commitment, time, and full resources to excel as a TEAM. Most teams, even the "A" teams ,are not as fortunate or able to give this commitment at this time. Potentially a reason they do not share the "stratosphere". They do have my respect for they accomplish as young kids.

Having watched them in tryouts over the last few years(yes, they are always there), I appreciate that they are individual boys. Some have great skill, others maybe less. I have witnessed many players at tryouts out perform individual Turtle players in various drills. Individual boys have skill that is on par with Turtle players. The Turtles excel as a TEAM. I respect all kids that push themselves to play their best.

I wouldn't be surprised if Many Turtles players play at the next level. I also wouldn't be surprised if many "other" players out perform individuals over the next few years and make names or TEAM associations forgetable. They are 12, time, size, maintained commitment, and maturity will decide much. I wish all our kids the best of luck in accomplishing their goals.

Mediocre? Let's say my son plays lacrosse, and other sports for that matter. Let's say he plays on an "A" team and contributes each time he steps on the field. Let's say he is an A+ student in an actual acadenically competitive school district and headed for honors next year. Let's say he has been defined by coaches and teachers as a leader and a unique individual. Let's say that he loves sports, and school, and his friends, that his goals in life are his to achieve and reach far beyond "the next level". Should we say he is mediocre?

Or should he work really hard, day in and day out playing lacrosse, and have his goal be MLL? so you can consider him more than mediocre? I really care what you think, please enlighten me.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]

The Turtles ... strive for excellence and in a world filled with mediocrity



Hyperbole much? You realize you are talking about 12-13 year olds, right? Good Lord - get a grip.

Say what you want, but take a look at those Turtle kids in 5 years from now, I can almost guarantee you a large majority of them will be playing this game at the next level. They are learning the value of hard work, dedication and teamwork, what's the problem with that?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Having watched the Turtles play over the last few years, I appreciate that they function extremely well as a TEAM. They should, they have the commitment, time, and full resources to excel as a TEAM. Most teams, even the "A" teams ,are not as fortunate or able to give this commitment at this time. Potentially a reason they do not share the "stratosphere". They do have my respect for they accomplish as young kids.

Having watched them in tryouts over the last few years(yes, they are always there), I appreciate that they are individual boys. Some have great skill, others maybe less. I have witnessed many players at tryouts out perform individual Turtle players in various drills. Individual boys have skill that is on par with Turtle players. The Turtles excel as a TEAM. I respect all kids that push themselves to play their best.

I wouldn't be surprised if Many Turtles players play at the next level. I also wouldn't be surprised if many "other" players out perform individuals over the next few years and make names or TEAM associations forgetable. They are 12, time, size, maintained commitment, and maturity will decide much. I wish all our kids the best of luck in accomplishing their goals.

Mediocre? Let's say my son plays lacrosse, and other sports for that matter. Let's say he plays on an "A" team and contributes each time he steps on the field. Let's say he is an A+ student in an actual acadenically competitive school district and headed for honors next year. Let's say he has been defined by coaches and teachers as a leader and a unique individual. Let's say that he loves sports, and school, and his friends, that his goals in life are his to achieve and reach far beyond "the next level". Should we say he is mediocre?

Or should he work really hard, day in and day out playing lacrosse, and have his goal be MLL? so you can consider him more than mediocre? I really care what you think, please enlighten me.

Wow, your kid is amazing.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]

The Turtles ... strive for excellence and in a world filled with mediocrity



Hyperbole much? You realize you are talking about 12-13 year olds, right? Good Lord - get a grip.

Say what you want, but take a look at those Turtle kids in 5 years from now, I can almost guarantee you a large majority of them will be playing this game at the next level. They are learning the value of hard work, dedication and teamwork, what's the problem with that?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh brother. How did yhe koolaid taste. JM and 91 are ready to get into the stratusphere. Turtles will lose the faceoff battle against the big guys. Looks like the turtles will have to share the rarified air.


The best "Big guy" faceoff man is playing for True Blue next best is with the Gladiators and already has played for the Turtles in Florida so they seem to have addressed their lack of size at the faceoff dot.


The best 2017 Faceoff kid right now hands down is from Smithtown hands down. That being said it's not about "how big" you are at faceoff, reflexes, reading your opponent, best groundball player, practice, practice and practice. Trust me ask the players all on different teams who train with the same coach they all know who the top 5 are. Let's see what happens in the summer some will be surprised.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Play at the next level they are 12-13 year old middle school kids, the next level is high school .Playing at the next level is no big deal but you guys seem to think your kids are going straight into D1 lacrosse . I have seen in every sport many of the 12 year old exceptional kids turn out to be exceptional high school players however just as many do not.The top 5-6 players make the team what it is and the rest are usually interchangeable with other solid players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Mediocre? Let's say my son plays lacrosse, and other sports for that matter. Let's say he plays on an "A" team and contributes each time he steps on the field. Let's say he is an A+ student in an actual acadenically competitive school district and headed for honors next year. Let's say he has been defined by coaches and teachers as a leader and a unique individual. Let's say that he loves sports, and school, and his friends, that his goals in life are his to achieve and reach far beyond "the next level". Should we say he is mediocre?

Or should he work really hard, day in and day out playing lacrosse, and have his goal be MLL? so you can consider him more than mediocre? I really care what you think, please enlighten me.

I think you took this totally the wrong way. I was in no way referring to anyones child as mediocre, I was commenting on modern day society's acceptance of the average and mediocre, however when someone strives for excellence, he is considered "over the top" or "crazy".

I'm sure your son is special just like mine is, and regardless of lacrosse, all kids are capable of great things.

Apologies if you took offense, that was not my intention at all
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Accepted, understood, and agree.

I think you took this totally the wrong way. I was in no way referring to anyones child as mediocre, I was commenting on modern day society's acceptance of the average and mediocre, however when someone strives for excellence, he is considered "over the top" or "crazy".

I'm sure your son is special just like mine is, and regardless of lacrosse, all kids are capable of great things.

Apologies if you took offense, that was not my intention at all [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Is Powers coaching the 2014 Orange Team or just the Turtles?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is Powers coaching the 2014 Orange Team or just the Turtles?


Powers trains the Turtles but coaches the older teams over each summer. He does not coach the Turtles during the summer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Anyone can train with Powers.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Just call the store that JD owns and they will tell you how to sign up for a Powers clinic
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just call the store that JD owns and they will tell you how to sign up for a Powers clinic


He usually does clinics with the older kids through Lax Unlimited. Other than JV and Varsity he doesnt usually work with the younger kids other than the Turtles.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just call the store that JD owns and they will tell you how to sign up for a Powers clinic


I believe that Coach Powers only works with High School players with his clinics offering during winter, correct??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I watched Express 7th grade Orange (McManess?) a couple of nights ago in a lighthouse game vs fl$ 8th grade. Anyone whom thinks that express team is weak is crazy. Express was scoring at will & defense was great in the whole 1st half against a talent older fl$ group. My son town played before them so we stuck around till halftime to watch, anyone know final score?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Express 2017 orange McManus beat 2016 fl$, 10 to 7 was the final score. McManus was up 6 2 at half. This team is coming together quick. Defense was solid, midde play was very good. Face offs strong. Attack feeds to middies were on a rope. Impressive looking for this night. I know it's indoor. Still a good looking team at this time.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
fl$, killed korwan's team.
1< Turtles
2< McManus
3< korwan
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
fl$, killed korwan's team.
1< Turtles
2< McManus
3< korwan

Have they even played each other yet? Why don't you let the kids play each other first.

Love people that talk smack and have no idea of what they are talking about
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Mcmannus team lost to a 6th grade express team in the OBLL Thanksgiving tournament . Is this the same team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Yes 2017 Express Korwan lost to 2016 fl$, 2017 Express McManus beat 2016 fl$. Let us now establish our "pre-season" rankings based on these unpredictable and often underprepared winter "fun" games.

Fall- Yes 2017 Express McManus lost to 2018 Express Orange at Turkey Shootout. Interestingly, 2017 Express Korwan beat 2018 Express Orange in a Fall Scrimmage.

All these teams were the "same" teams that either won or lost in a possibly unexpected way at some point in the fall or winter. Korwan's team returned maybe 10 players from last year, McManus had similar situation but maybe not as significant. Korwan's team is deep, as the players get to know each other and fullfill their roles they will do well Kids will step up and teams will gel more as spring/summer approach.

The 2017 Express teams will play each other before the tournament season is over, hopefully more than once. I think the games are going to be competitive, and, simply fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mcmannus team lost to a 6th grade express team in the OBLL Thanksgiving tournament . Is this the same team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mcmannus team lost to a 6th grade express team in the OBLL Thanksgiving tournament . Is this the same team?


Yup, 2017 McManus lost to the best 6th grade team in the Country! McManus team was winning throughout the contest, just made some mistakes and the 6th grade team took advantage of those mistakes. Funny thing is that 6th grade team trains a lot with several of McManus guys all the time, as does a couple if Korwins guys!

Point is, it's ALL GOOD for Express! All are kids be it 6th, 7th or 8th grade are working together to get better!

PS- McManus team looked like EXCELLENT against a strong fl$ 2016 unit! Beat'em up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
[quote=Anonymous]fl$, killed korwan's team.
1< Turtles
2< McManus
3< korwan [/quote

1. Turtles
2. Korwan
3. Crimi
4. McManus

Wow this is fun
And the good news is theere all Express teams....roll EXPRESS roll!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]fl$, killed korwan's team.
1< Turtles
2< McManus
3< korwan [/quote

1. Turtles
2. Korwan
3. Crimi
4. McManus

Wow this is fun


You have to be a 91 employee or parent. Crimi?
1-Trutles
2-Orange (Mcmaness)
3-Pirannahs (Korwin)
4-Crimi

But I agree, ROLL EXPRESS ROLL!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
[quote=Anonymous]fl$, killed korwan's team.
1< Turtles
2< McManus
3< korwan [/quote

Who really cares? There are 3 really good teams at this level that will be competetive all season. If this makes you feel better about your son being on McManus team good for you.

Say what you want about the Express, but my son has been with this organization for 2 years and it has been nothing but a positive experience with the exception of the venom that is spit around by the parents. I dont understand why everyone is so threatened by having another quality team at this age group? The more the merrier I say, my son has friends on all the Express 2017 teams, it makes absolutely no difference to him what team he plays on. Hes happy where he is, and to me thats all that matters.

]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
The 3 express teams are probably the 3 top teams in the tri-state area. They will continue to win games and tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]fl$, killed korwan's team.
1< Turtles
2< McManus
3< korwan [/quote

1. Turtles
2. Korwan
3. Crimi
4. McManus

Wow this is fun


You have to be a 91 employee or parent. Crimi?
1-Trutles
2-Orange (Mcmaness)
3-Pirannahs (Korwin)
4-Crimi

But I agree, ROLL EXPRESS ROLL!


Actually no, I was mocking the original ridiculous post
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Really??? McManus' team lost to Mule's team at Yale. How can you say that they are in the top 3?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Express 6th lost to Locascios team 4 out of 5 games. If Sals team won Tri state and Dicks nationals how is it that Express 6th is best in country?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Mule's team as usual brought some players that would not qualify in the age group. We all know they are good for that!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Totally Agree! Have seen Express 2018 and 91 2018 play many times. Hands down 91 is the better team. Defense and middie play goes to 91 and express has a better attack. All in all 91 is a much deeper squad
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Really??? McManus' team lost to Mule's team at Yale. How can you say that they are in the top 3?


Mule defaintly had a few older kids but no biggie, that's what some men need to do. Fact is McManus team was winning till the final 2 or 3 mins of game just didn't seal the deal in a FALL tournament. I like our chances next time we play.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express 6th lost to Locascios team 4 out of 5 games. If Sals team won Tri state and Dicks nationals how is it that Express 6th is best in country?

How is Locosio's team the best in the country when they lost to TLI every time they played? who cares? Stop the rediculous statements!! They are all good teams that can beat each other on any given day! Why is it so important for these parents to feel their kid is on the best team in the "COUNTRY" ? Stop the madness!!!!!! Worry about if your kid is getting better and developing!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Jeez everyone relax, there is room for everyone here on Long Island. Plenty of good competetive lacrosse for everyone. I dont understand all this hostility. They are after all, just kids.Im as competetive as anyone, but my lord what goes on with youth lacrosse on Long Island is almost criminal.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Mule had the right aged kids, but other that that it was a good fair response. I would agree that McManus' team played very well and perhaps they split 5 games a piece in a 10 game shootout. Either way, 2 good teams with great talent on both. Makes for a good rivalry and some good lacrosse for us parents to watch.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
The 91 2018 MIddies are weak. They have one good kid that comes from off Long Island. After that............... nobody. Alot of "Parent" favors being played out on that squad.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Team Li stomped out the express this weekend
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
If that's the case why don't you contact the coaches's and set up a scrimmage.My guess is you wont.You will do everything to avoid us.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
The Express Orange 2017 game against fl$ 2016 can't be used as a comparison for anything. 3/4 of the fl$ 2016 team was not there. The fl$ team was made up of mostly 2017 and 2018 fl$ boys. I know- my son was one of the 2018 boys playing for fl$. The fl$ 2016 goalie played midfield for most of the game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I heard that True Blue is looking pretty awesome. Any one know about this team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard that True Blue is looking pretty awesome. Any one know about this team?


I hear the starting 10 can run with anyone. Time will tell how deep they really are.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I figured as much, I didn't think those results were accurate. I would like to see a rematch vs the true fl$ 2016. I would think the fl$ 2017 would be a good game. They gave the mixed up Express Team a beating in NJ last month.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I figured as much, I didn't think those results were accurate. I would like to see a rematch vs the true fl$ 2016. I would think the fl$ 2017 would be a good game. They gave the mixed up Express Team a beating in NJ last month.


Key words are MIXED UP EXPRESS TEAM. There were a few of McManus and a few of Korwins guys on that team, the rest were a mix of some other kids I have NEVER seen anywhere. McManus & Korwin kids didn't even know there own "teammates" that day in NJ.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Express Orange 2017 game against fl$ 2016 can't be used as a comparison for anything. 3/4 of the fl$ 2016 team was not there. The fl$ team was made up of mostly 2017 and 2018 fl$ boys. I know- my son was one of the 2018 boys playing for fl$. The fl$ 2016 goalie played midfield for most of the game.


OMG, how many more excuses can you say Mr fl$?!?! Who cares, its a indoor winter game! Really, it means nothing. BTW, if you are telling the truth and the fl$ 2016 team was full of fl$ 2017 players than that would be perfect. 2017 Orange (McManus) is made up of all 2017 players. I know your 8th grade goalie was there, I know that much. Awesome player.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
IMHO Express 2017 orange may be one of the best teams in the tri-state region. They should roll this year and win their share of tournaments. They have beat all of the other teams listed previously. Players and coaching are top notch.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Totally Agree! Have seen Express 2018 and 91 2018 play many times. Hands down 91 is the better team. Defense and middie play goes to 91 and express has a better attack. All in all 91 is a much deeper squad


As an actual observer to these games..this is the most ridiculous statement ever. Every season the teams are different not the same players year after year on both teams. Hands down?? Who are you? I guess not someone that knows every time they played each other it was a goal or two either way. Great kids that play great lacrosse,great coaches,just obnoxious,arrogant 91 parents that need to feel that they made the better choice than the other side.Classic trash behavior was when a the 91 parents set up all the orange 91 chairs bacross the goal line to watch an Express game.The refree was even astonished. That group takes the cake with out of control.They cant even stand each other all they do is talk behind each others backs as well as the cooaches. I have heard it with my own ears...Good Luck to all the great lax boys!Hope you survive your parents!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Express Orange 2017 game against fl$ 2016 can't be used as a comparison for anything. 3/4 of the fl$ 2016 team was not there. The fl$ team was made up of mostly 2017 and 2018 fl$ boys. I know- my son was one of the 2018 boys playing for fl$. The fl$ 2016 goalie played midfield for most of the game.


OMG, how many more excuses can you say Mr fl$?!?! Who cares, its a indoor winter game! Really, it means nothing. BTW, if you are telling the truth and the fl$ 2016 team was full of fl$ 2017 players than that would be perfect. 2017 Orange (McManus) is made up of all 2017 players. I know your 8th grade goalie was there, I know that much. Awesome player.
Telling the truth - and agree indoor is good for keeping the stick in their hands, nothing else. Just pointing out to the poster who said that 2017 orange beat fl$ 2016 that it was not really correct. Again some 2018 boys played for fl$ and the awesome goalie played middie for much of the game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Are you kidding me?!?! the starting line and second line stacked!!! They have 3 grenat dodgers(2 of them start) and they are the hardest working team out there! hey look they are traning right now at Next Level!! Where are you?!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you kidding me?!?! the starting line and second line stacked!!! They have 3 grenat dodgers(2 of them start) and they are the hardest working team out there! hey look they are traning right now at Next Level!! Where are you?!

I actually remember tri state last year and seem to remember 2 of those weak middies winning some pretty big goals also remember no scoring from Express Midddies? And your right the new kid from off long island is awesome wonder why he choose to come to 91 could of played anywhere!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
as we know from reading the 91 thread now, 91 offers "tuition reimbursement" (ie free play) to certain players. We have seen this at a number of age groups....THATS why someone might chose a lesser organization. When they don't have to "pay the dues) that the other players do its an easy choice!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Why is everyone making a big deal about the 2017 teams and what they are doing indoor. McManus team and Korwans team are both very talented teams and will be very competetive throughout the spring and summer tournaments. 91 Orange is a very good team, as are fl$ 2017, True Blue, the Outlaws and some others. I think the competition at this age group is great and it will be a lot of fun watching the great lacrosse this upcoming season. You should all be thankful that we live in the hotbed of lax that we do, it will only serve your kid well in the future. Cant wait for the season, should be fun! See ya at the tailgate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Couldn't agree more. I have seen it first hand with 91 that "recruited" players dont have to pay. After 2 years of witnessing this I left 91. I dont get it.....when I asked about this I was never given an answer by those who operate the organization.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
all of what you said is your opinion. . . and as the old saying goes, "opinions are like ***holes, everyone has one". However, your statement about the chairs is completely incorrect. The boys decided, (on their own) to go and watch "their friends" on both the Express and Team LI play each other. The majority of the boys on "all 3 teams" all know each other, and have played with/against each other, and attended summer camps together since they were in 1st grade. It is sad that a great show of "support" by a group of 11 yr olds for their "friends" could be ruined and degraded by your uninformed falsehood. The problem is NOT the boys, it's parents like YOU who open their mouth and have NO idea what the truth is. Please do us all a favor, verify your information before you spew your poison in the future. FYI - 91 chairs are BLUE this year. . . keep an eye out on a sideline near you to see the new improved design.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Yipee!!!!Blue Chairs. Do the players that dont pay get their chairs for free too!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
can someone tell me what the cost structure/tournament schedule for express girls teams are, i have a 5th grader who will probably be looking to join sa club tesm next year - thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Does the 2020 Blue team have a coach yet?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does the 2020 Blue team have a coach yet?


They don't care about the blue teams. They are just revenue generators for the club.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
A friends son was on blue team last year. High school kids showed up 15 minutes before games at a tournament and said they were the coach. Didn't even know the boys names. asked them to raise their hands by position and sent them onto the field. That's a disgrace.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I think the 2022 team does
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
all of what you said is your opinion. . . and as the old saying goes, "opinions are like ***holes, everyone has one". However, your statement about the chairs is completely incorrect. The boys decided, (on their own) to go and watch "their friends" on both the Express and Team LI play each other. The majority of the boys on "all 3 teams" all know each other, and have played with/against each other, and attended summer camps together since they were in 1st grade. It is sad that a great show of "support" by a group of 11 yr olds for their "friends" could be ruined and degraded by your uninformed falsehood. The problem is NOT the boys, it's parents like YOU who open their mouth and have NO idea what the truth is. Please do us all a favor, verify your information before you spew your poison in the future. FYI - 91 chairs are BLUE this year. . . keep an eye out on a sideline near you to see the new improved design.


I happen to have some insight into this topic.My information is verified. I happen to be a parent of a player that had a choice on what team they wanted to play for.I had a choice.Poison it is not.So here goes. The boys are all great kids BUT the product of some over zealous parents that are incapable of behaving. I witnessed the 91 obnoxious behavior of SOME parents when they screamed, yelled, and get in the face of opposing parents.We all know it to be true and some of our kids have been put in bad situations because of it.As the parent of children that will be playing for many more years I can only hope that the sparks subside as all the children find success in whatever they choose to do. I hope the bad blood somehow fades as time goes on.Good Luck to all the boys this upcoming season.By the way this is a Express thread...so Good Luck to all the Express teams this season!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Roll Express Roll.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Roll Express Roll.


Real original. LOL
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Roll Express Roll.


Real original. LOL


Funny. What do you have? Whats your team name Ill help you with a moniker.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Roll Express Roll.


Real original. LOL


Funny. What do you have? Whats your team name Ill help you with a moniker.


We don't need flashy team names and borrowed slogans...we just go out and play.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Roll Express Roll.


Real original. LOL


Funny. What do you have? Whats your team name Ill help you with a moniker.


We don't need flashy team names and borrowed slogans...we just go out and play.

I hear u but we need a flashy stolen slogan because we are only the most recruited club on east coast! So what's your club name bigtime?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
name of the club is... "times they are a changing"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Roll Express Roll.


Real original. LOL


Funny. What do you have? Whats your team name Ill help you with a moniker.


We don't need flashy team names and borrowed slogans...we just go out and play.

I hear u but we need a flashy stolen slogan because we are only the most recruited club on east coast! So what's your club name bigtime?


What? Did you read what you wrote? If you are reallly that good, you wouldn't need a slogan period, let alone a borrowed one. I guess you are hearing the footsteps of the other LI clubs and are desperately trying to hand on. You have those recruits because you were the only ones for a long time. Now, the times are changing.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Look at the 2010, 2011, 2012 (commits) players from Express on the website, top players @ top schools! Meanwhile, from 2010 to now there have been plenty of other LI clubs out there and none of these clubs are getting kids a "1st look" except maybe fl$. Man up son, name your club!! Oh, Roll Express Roll.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look at the 2010, 2011, 2012 (commits) players from Express on the website, top players @ top schools! Meanwhile, from 2010 to now there have been plenty of other LI clubs out there and none of these clubs are getting kids a "1st look" except maybe fl$. Man up son, name your club!! Oh, Roll Express Roll.


When all of those players you mentioned as going to top schools were younger players the express was the only show in town. The point is that those players were coming up with the express, however now the other clubs have teams that rival or exceed the express teams in the younger age groups. When these younger teams move up in a few years the express will no longer be as dominant of a club. The older high school aged players that have played for express for years would not be very likely to leave for a new club while in their recruiting years. I hold no ill will towards the express but that is just the way I see it. The monopoly is coming to an end.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
4th grade 91 is the only "younger" team which will surpass any other organization at that grade. The other "younger" teams Orange v Orange are great match ups. But if those coaches and parents keep acting the way they do, parents and coaches may keep there distance, so lets becareful how we promote the younger teams of 91 let alone the lifespan of the organization.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
4th grade 91 is the only "younger" team which will surpass any other organization at that grade. The other "younger" teams Orange v Orange are great match ups. But if those coaches and parents keep acting the way they do, parents and coaches may keep there distance, so lets becareful how we promote the younger teams of 91 let alone the lifespan of the organization.


Who said anything about team 91?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
4th grade 91 is the only "younger" team which will surpass any other organization at that grade. The other "younger" teams Orange v Orange are great match ups. But if those coaches and parents keep acting the way they do, parents and coaches may keep there distance, so lets becareful how we promote the younger teams of 91 let alone the lifespan of the organization.



Good, yes. That's because there are kids on that team that are older than 4th grade
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look at the 2010, 2011, 2012 (commits) players from Express on the website, top players @ top schools! Meanwhile, from 2010 to now there have been plenty of other LI clubs out there and none of these clubs are getting kids a "1st look" except maybe fl$. Man up son, name your club!! Oh, Roll Express Roll.


When all of those players you mentioned as going to top schools were younger players the express was the only show in town. The point is that those players were coming up with the express, however now the other clubs have teams that rival or exceed the express teams in the younger age groups. When these younger teams move up in a few years the express will no longer be as dominant of a club. The older high school aged players that have played for express for years would not be very likely to leave for a new club while in their recruiting years. I hold no ill will towards the express but that is just the way I see it. The monopoly is coming to an end.


Nothings coming to an end. I don't have kids on Express. However, you need to understand, it's all about St. Anthonys and Chaminade. Express will always dominate as long as they have those two schools locked up. You will see top kids from other clubs migrate to Express when they decide they want to go to one of those schools. It's just that simple... Add in a few public school kids who are off the charts and once again from ninth grade on its lights out.
Why does it always have to be that the kids are older than they are supposed to be? As the parent of a kindergarten kid who looks like a 2nd grader.....sometimes kids are just big.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
4th grade 91 is the only "younger" team which will surpass any other organization at that grade. The other "younger" teams Orange v Orange are great match ups. But if those coaches and parents keep acting the way they do, parents and coaches may keep there distance, so lets becareful how we promote the younger teams of 91 let alone the lifespan of the organization.



Good, yes. That's because there are kids on that team that are older than 4th grade


That's funny when the Express blatantly posts championship pictures from last summer with an overage kid on one of the teams. What's even funnier is that this is one of the teams you come here to brag about how good they are. I guess the coach isn't all you think he is.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
To reply to a few of the comments, do not forget that the Express now have Kellenberg locked up with their hiring of Coach Schwalje, The 2018 91 Orange is head and shoulders above the other teams in that age group, and do not point fingers at other teams for using so called older players when Express teams do it also.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To reply to a few of the comments, do not forget that the Express now have Kellenberg locked up with their hiring of Coach Schwalje, The 2018 91 Orange is head and shoulders above the other teams in that age group, and do not point fingers at other teams for using so called older players when Express teams do it also.

How do you proclaim 91 Orange 2018 as head and shoulders above all other teams in that age bracket? Based on what criteria?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To reply to a few of the comments, do not forget that the Express now have Kellenberg locked up with their hiring of Coach Schwalje, The 2018 91 Orange is head and shoulders above the other teams in that age group, and do not point fingers at other teams for using so called older players when Express teams do it also.


Can you get 2018 91 Orange to join OBLL. This way they can play fl$, Outlaws,TrueBlue, Team Long Island, and Express just to make sure they are head and shoulders above them
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To reply to a few of the comments, do not forget that the Express now have Kellenberg locked up with their hiring of Coach Schwalje, The 2018 91 Orange is head and shoulders above the other teams in that age group, and do not point fingers at other teams for using so called older players when Express teams do it also.


Can you get 2018 91 Orange to join OBLL. This way they can play fl$, Outlaws,TrueBlue, Team Long Island, and Express just to make sure they are head and shoulders above them


Ask your director why no 91 teams are registered for OBLL.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
channy runs and would never schedule express to play 91 just like last year. 2018 will be playing up ayear in the a bracket at shamrock. Why dont you join us?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
channy runs and would never schedule express to play 91 just like last year. 2018 will be playing up ayear in the a bracket at shamrock. Why dont you join us?


Ask the league director. He's all too familiar with what happened.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
If you want to play them so bad why not put your team in the division they will be playing in.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I am not the coach, all I can say is team 91 2018 would love the opportunity to play express 2018 we will be in the shamrock shootout 2017 A bracket(You guys should register). We had a great practice with Team LI this weekend and would love to play Express. Would be great for the boys. It seems as if Express coaches don't want to play us? It seems as if Express wont do any tournaments 91 is in?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Team 91 2018 team with help of 7th & 8th players, I would imagine... AGAIN.
Just play FAIR! Teach your kids it's OK to lose the games when you play fair & square & give 100%.

I understand those big clubs need the wins for their business.

See you all at OBLL.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Not 1 7th grader on team 91 2018 orange. I believe 2 kids on team are in 6th grade and have oct or nov bdays (just like every other team) Is it that hard to just say they are a great team that is very well coached. Why is it necessary to accuse cheating? Makes you feel better?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
You are kidding right...7th & 8th...why wait for OBLL... sign up for the Shamrock Shootout....Team LI and others will be there...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 2018 team with help of 7th & 8th players, I would imagine... AGAIN.
Just play FAIR! Teach your kids it's OK to lose the games when you play fair & square & give 100%.

I understand those big clubs need the wins for their business.

See you all at OBLL.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
curious as to where you came up with the notion that 91 uses older players? Especially when your 2018 Express team has at least 4-5 (if not more) kids that were all born in "1999" and should be 7th grade? Is this a classic case of the "pot calling the kettle black"? Check your own roster 1st.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 2018 team with help of 7th & 8th players, I would imagine... AGAIN.
Just play FAIR! Teach your kids it's OK to lose the games when you play fair & square & give 100%.

I understand those big clubs need the wins for their business.

See you all at OBLL.


LOL. Sour grapes. Once again, check the championship pictures on you club's website and let me know how many over aged kids are in those photos. My sons team played the express last year at a local tournament on two consecutive days. After they couldn't beat us on day 1, their team suddenly found 5 or 6 kids for the second day who couldn't make it the first day. And you know what...we beat them even worse. Grow up and look at what your own team does before you come on here with factless accusations.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
curious as to where you came up with the notion that 91 uses older players? Especially when your 2018 Express team has at least 4-5 (if not more) kids that were all born in "1999" and should be 7th grade? Is this a classic case of the "pot calling the kettle black"? Check your own roster 1st.

Please just look at the 4th grade squad, the big star and coaches son was in 4th grade last year,4th. He was left back and is still in 4th grade, most woul consider that one example of an older kid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
channy runs and would never schedule express to play 91 just like last year. 2018 will be playing up ayear in the a bracket at shamrock. Why dont you join us?


Shamrock shootout is run by Rockstar aka 91. Ask your director why express is not registered?

How do these two get past the bad blood?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
curious as to where you came up with the notion that 91 uses older players? Especially when your 2018 Express team has at least 4-5 (if not more) kids that were all born in "1999" and should be 7th grade? Is this a classic case of the "pot calling the kettle black"? Check your own roster 1st.

Please just look at the 4th grade squad, the big star and coaches son was in 4th grade last year,4th. He was left back and is still in 4th grade, most woul consider that one example of an older kid.


They were 3rd grade last year, 4th grade this year. This stuff is easy enough to check.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I know the coach and Actually the 4th grade coaches son is in 2nd grade and quite the player, that team is about a good and dominating as I have seen a team in a respected age group including the turtles. Now only if that team could come to the express.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
curious as to where you came up with the notion that 91 uses older players? Especially when your 2018 Express team has at least 4-5 (if not more) kids that were all born in "1999" and should be 7th grade? Is this a classic case of the "pot calling the kettle black"? Check your own roster 1st.


The birthdate eligibility has been belabored on this site (CageSage correct me if i'm wrong) US Lacrosse rules : Children born is Sept, Oct, Nov, and December of 1999 in 6th grade are NOT overage.
Basically most states base grade eligibility on age at the begining of the school year Sept. NY is one of the only states that uses calender Dec 31st.
That said. MOST 6th grade teams have kids with 1999 birthdays including 91 2018 Orange.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
curious as to where you came up with the notion that 91 uses older players? Especially when your 2018 Express team has at least 4-5 (if not more) kids that were all born in "1999" and should be 7th grade? Is this a classic case of the "pot calling the kettle black"? Check your own roster 1st.


You should check your own list! Could easily name four kids on 91 that are for sure supposed to be in 7th grade based on their 1999 early fall birthdays. However, we are talking about children.... It's the sicko parents that held them back due to their own mental issues. The kids didn't decide to play down, the parents made that decision for them. This stuff will only stop when we get I.D. Cards with birthdates. Like soccer!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
curious as to where you came up with the notion that 91 uses older players? Especially when your 2018 Express team has at least 4-5 (if not more) kids that were all born in "1999" and should be 7th grade? Is this a classic case of the "pot calling the kettle black"? Check your own roster 1st.

Please just look at the 4th grade squad, the big star and coaches son was in 4th grade last year,4th. He was left back and is still in 4th grade, most woul consider that one example of an older kid.


Did you ever think that maybe the kid was playing up last year. I think I know the player you are talking about. My son played against him several years ago when he was in the first grade. At the time my son was in the second. Now my son is in the fifth, and he is in the fourth. The kid is just good. Leave it at that. I have no skin in this game, because my son doesn't play for either organization. Let the kids play.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Everyone does realize we are talking about 4th grade here? The way this thread is going, you would think it was about college prospects. Deep breaths, people, ....deep breaths......
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
can some one please explain the "rules" because what seems to be a simple concept seems to be very confusing.

if a kid is in 6th grade and scheduled to graduate high school in 2018 then he would be a "legal" player on a 2018 team, correct? this child could have been born in 1999 (or 1998) but if he is in 6th grade and plays on a 2018 team he is playing in his correct grade level or are there age limits to grade levels?

If a child was born on 9/1/1999 and last year was in 6th grade and played on a 2017 team and then for whatever reason (academic, lacrosse, social) he was held back a year and is repeating 6th grade wouldn't he now be a "legal" 2018 player?

I am not questioning the reasons or merits for being held back just assuming that he was held back, why shouldn't he be allowed to play 2018? this is the group he will now be competing against for the next 6 years on the field, in the class room and in the recruiting process. lets just let it go.

I personally would not hold my kids back a year for lacrosse, it is a personal decision and I don't question people that choose to. In hindsight though I would have married a taller women with better athletic ability, and maybe a lefty to really improve my chances of having a blue chipper.

hay, that's just me.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
On pg 68, when you use the word, "verified", regarding your statement or information, by whom are you referring the "verification" was completed? Judge Judy? Captain Kangaroo? As a 91 parent, I am not aware of any of our parents "getting in the face" of any parents, or anyone for that matter, from any other teams? Perhaps, you should look a little closer to home, on your own sideline, for "verified" overzealous, childish behavior. Re: when one of your "assistant" coaches was ejected by the referee (and Mike Chanenchuk) from an indoor game last year for running out onto the field and dropping the "F'Bomb" while screaming in the face a "10 year old" player from Team 91? Remember? Ring a bell? To the best of my knowledge, that was "verified" by at least 100+ parents/spectators who watched in "horror" and disbelief. In conclusion, please, do us all a favor, in your own words, "As the parent of children that will be playing for many more years," please make those years "tolerable" for the rest of us, and find a "better source of verification" for your misinformation.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
can some one please explain the "rules" because what seems to be a simple concept seems to be very confusing.

if a kid is in 6th grade and scheduled to graduate high school in 2018 then he would be a "legal" player on a 2018 team, correct? this child could have been born in 1999 (or 1998) but if he is in 6th grade and plays on a 2018 team he is playing in his correct grade level or are there age limits to grade levels?

If a child was born on 9/1/1999 and last year was in 6th grade and played on a 2017 team and then for whatever reason (academic, lacrosse, social) he was held back a year and is repeating 6th grade wouldn't he now be a "legal" 2018 player?

I am not questioning the reasons or merits for being held back just assuming that he was held back, why shouldn't he be allowed to play 2018? this is the group he will now be competing against for the next 6 years on the field, in the class room and in the recruiting process. lets just let it go.

I personally would not hold my kids back a year for lacrosse, it is a personal decision and I don't question people that choose to. In hindsight though I would have married a taller women with better athletic ability, and maybe a lefty to really improve my chances of having a blue chipper.

hay, that's just me.
i agree with most of this statement. But I would like to say a few things in rebuttal ,
1 If your child was left back a grade for academic reasons, the last thin he should be doing is playing travel lacrosse, Instead of spending the money on a sport, i think you should be spending the money on tutors and summer school.When the his grades come up and he can keep them there by his self, he could play lax again ,
2 If it is academic you better get to that tutor in a hurry, we're not talking about basketball, or football here , no college is going to give a scholarship to a failing student, so your just wasting your money anyway. ( and by the way don't you people care about your child s life after lax. he's going to know how to read after he is done playing)
3 If your leaving your kid back for lacrosse you are truly stupid , unless you leave him back 4 years he is still competing against the same kids for the same scholarship. and your not fooling any college, there going to know what your doing. and I can assure you, they will look at other kids first
4if you have to make your child repeat a grade to get an advantage on the lax field he's probably not that good anyway. and even though he might be a little bigger and stronger, I assure you there is a kid in that grade that is better than he is .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
[quote=Anonymous]On pg 68, when you use the word, "verified", regarding your statement or information, by whom are you referring the "verification" was completed? Judge Judy? Captain Kangaroo? As a 91 parent, I am not aware of any of our parents "getting in the face" of any parents, or anyone for that matter, from any other teams? Perhaps, you should look a little closer to home, on your own sideline, for "verified" overzealous, childish behavior. Re: when one of your "assistant" coaches was ejected by the referee (and Mike Chanenchuk) from an indoor game last year for running out onto the field and dropping the "F'Bomb" while screaming in the face a "10 year old" player from Team 91? Remember? Ring a bell? To the best of my knowledge, that was "verified" by at least 100+ parents/spectators who watched in "horror" and disbelief.



The story is a little embellished. It happened very quickly from the sideline as a reaction to an unsafe check (the player has a history, I believe he had 8 flags that night) . From the other side of the glass nothing could be heard.
Everyone was wondering why the assistant left (he left without an argument). As the story made its way to the spectators the game of telephone took place in the stands. When the story got to me, I heard he stabbed the ref. You must have been sitting to my left. No excuse for the f bomb even out of a moment of passion. The " in his face"
and "horror" never happened.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Well. . . after reviewing the videotape (LOL), the "embellishment" is clearly the alleged "8 flags". I recall a grand total of "2" actual flags at most. However, the "player" (I assume you are referring to) did have "6" goals, so maybe in your haste to reply, you just added eveything together causing your embellishment? (6 + 2 = 8)?

I have to admnit, I am disapointed that a "grown man" would make such a statement: "the player has a history?" about a 10 year old kid, hidden behind an annonymous post, really? Shame on you "little man".
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well. . . after reviewing the videotape (LOL), the "embellishment" is clearly the alleged "8 flags". I recall a grand total of "2" actual flags at most. However, the "player" (I assume you are referring to) did have "6" goals, so maybe in your haste to reply, you just added eveything together causing your embellishment? (6 + 2 = 8)?

I have to admnit, I am disapointed that a "grown man" would make such a statement: "the player has a history?" about a 10 year old kid, hidden behind an annonymous post, really? Shame on you "little man".


I must apologize it was over a year ago. Check your other videos he did have an 8 flag game right around this time. I don't blame the kid. I blame the coaching he receives from both sides of the field. Promoting goon play at 10 years old is what's shameful.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
all you people are f!@#ing crazy , you should all be ashamed of Both teams parents are. giving lacrosse a bad name . And you all sound like a bunch of bitter over involved snobbish cry babies I wish you all would just SHUT UP.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well. . . after reviewing the videotape (LOL), the "embellishment" is clearly the alleged "8 flags". I recall a grand total of "2" actual flags at most. However, the "player" (I assume you are referring to) did have "6" goals, so maybe in your haste to reply, you just added eveything together causing your embellishment? (6 + 2 = 8)?

I have to admnit, I am disapointed that a "grown man" would make such a statement: "the player has a history?" about a 10 year old kid, hidden behind an annonymous post, really? Shame on you "little man".


I must apologize it was over a year ago. Check your other videos he did have an 8 flag game right around this time. I don't blame the kid. I blame the coaching he receives from both sides of the field. Promoting goon play at 10 years old is what's shameful.


Am I reading this right? This guy is saying that all the penelties this kid receives is okay because he scores goals? Hope your not a coach and just some dumba$$ parent.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
with all due respect, I do not believe you are reading the commentary correctly. My understanding is that the post is trying to establish that the "kid' never got "8" flags in a game, ever. But rather that the original post which accused the kid of that "falsehood" was incorrect. Instead stating that the kid only had 2 flags at most, while scoring 6 goals. The accusation about the penalties was unfounded and incorrect.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
You guys are all an embarassment to 91 and Express. You all need to get a life.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
2020 Blue still doesn't have a coach. Take the money and run.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Isn't Keith W the 2020 Blue coach?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
not sure. Did nothing for winter season.
I am getting a bit confused on here reading this...are the Turtles a set team of kids or are they always the 6th grade team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by LaxMom13
I am getting a bit confused on here reading this...are the Turtles a set team of kids or are they always the 6th grade team?


Turtles are a set 7th grade team. They, just like every other team, occasionally replace/add new players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by LaxMom13
I am getting a bit confused on here reading this...are the Turtles a set team of kids or are they always the 6th grade team?


Turtles are a set 7th grade team. They, just like every other team, occasionally replace/add new players.


They are always 2017 - last year they were 6th, this year they are 7th and next year they will be 8th, if they move to Maryland they will be 8th again the following year
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by LaxMom13
I am getting a bit confused on here reading this...are the Turtles a set team of kids or are they always the 6th grade team?


Turtles are a set 7th grade team. They, just like every other team, occasionally replace/add new players.


They are always 2017 - last year they were 6th, this year they are 7th and next year they will be 8th, if they move to Maryland they will be 8th again the following year


lol!! nice! LI LAX baby!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Ha sad but true, more of a Baltimore thing though not all of MD. I dont understand how the teams and players justify it. its no different then playing down a level. At u15 lets see how they play against high school jv teams, because thats what they really are. Working the system still makes it wrong. Hope the parents of these kids can give them a hold back in life. Oh sorry boss I did not get my project/ contract/ deal done cant I just wait until I dont have to work harder than our competition.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
You need to look at the bigger picture...junior graduates HS at 18/19 then heads to prep then becomes a freshman at 20 years old.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You need to look at the bigger picture...junior graduates HS at 18/19 then heads to prep then becomes a freshman at 20 years old.


so what, I would rather have my son graduate from an Ivy at 24 then a State School at 22 - this is the normal path for hockey players and if those two years gets you into an Ivy it is well worth it. and i think the majority of kids going to prep schools already know where they are going after a year and the prep year is either to get better scholastically or to mature physically, either way if that is whats best for your kid go for it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I should have stated that it was not my philosophy just a trend I see driven by parents and accepted more and more by colleges. The simple theory of having a stronger and older player on the field. Look no further than the NYPLL organization.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
First obll game of season for 2017 express orange dominated fl$ with a score of 15 to 0
LOL ok thank you!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
First obll game of season for 2017 express orange dominated fl$ with a score of 15 to 0


Rumor has it that 91, the trurtles, outlawas and most other 7th grade teams has disbanned after this one win by express orange! Last year this team played tournaments with overage kids. Are they doing it again this year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Don't be a hater.....they are one of the best teams in the tri-state region. Coaching and organization are top-notch. Game was over in the first 5 min. Looking at a AA team this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
First obll game of season for 2017 express orange dominated fl$ with a score of 15 to 0


Rumor has it that 91, the trurtles, outlawas and most other 7th grade teams has disbanned after this one win by express orange! Last year this team played tournaments with overage kids. Are they doing it again this year?


All 7th graders to my knowledge, my son is on the team. Great group of hard working players that are starring to gel. By you mentioning Turtles in the same class of ability as 91 & Outlaws just shows your clueless to the middle school age of travel lax. Your sarcasm is not comical its silly & bitter. Grow up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't be a hater.....they are one of the best teams in the tri-state region. Coaching and organization are top-notch. Game was over in the first 5 min. Looking at a AA team this year.



LMAO your funny,

You have four fathers coaching your team, and you have one win over a mediocre fl$ team so far, let's take it easy.

Put a couple of wins together and win a tournament or two before your start putting the kids in the hall of fame.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I would like to see 2017 Express Korwan play 2017 Express McManus, Korwan,s team has some very strong players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would like to see 2017 Express Korwan play 2017 Express McManus, Korwan,s team has some very strong players.


Yup, true. Korwan team has some strong players. But I will say that our Express Orange (McManuss) has been coming together very nicely the past month. I know I know it's indoor but our last four games our kids defeated 8th grade fl$ team, tied 8th grade Jesters, beat 7th grade Hotshots by 5 or 6 and destroy (OBLL) a good 7th grade fl$ team 15-0. So I like our chances against anyone because our parnets, coaches and most importantly our players are starting to see the chemistry form.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would like to see 2017 Express Korwan play 2017 Express McManus, Korwan,s team has some very strong players.


Yup, true. Korwan team has some strong players. But I will say that our Express Orange (McManuss) has been coming together very nicely the past month. I know I know it's indoor but our last four games our kids defeated 8th grade fl$ team, tied 8th grade Jesters, beat 7th grade Hotshots by 5 or 6 and destroy (OBLL) a good 7th grade fl$ team 15-0. So I like our chances against anyone because our parnets, coaches and most importantly our players are starting to see the chemistry form.


Just keep winning and there is no need to come on this board and blow your own horn. Let someone else tell you that you are the top team - then it means something. With all your boasting, every 7/8 grade will be gunning for you guys. My son isn't in this age group but I wish he was because I would love to see what the "top team in the tri-state area" looks like. A special trip to an OBLL game might be in order.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Glad to see McManus's team doing well. My son plays for Korwans team and he has a bunch of friends on that team. Looking forward to a great game when we finally play each other. Between the Turtles, McManus and Korwans team, Express will dominate this spring and summer!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Oh brother...at least spell your??? coaches name right. 1 win and you are crowing already. Make sure you can eat that crow when the time comes!!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I agree. With these 3 teams turtles-AA, McManuss-AA, Korwin-A we have a trio of teams that will be a force this spring/summer. Many pictures going on the website this year!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh brother...at least spell your??? coaches name right. 1 win and you are crowing already. Make sure you can eat that crow when the time comes!!!!!!


Hey CHAMP, we've (Express 2017 Orange McManus) lost before and we will handle a lost well if & when it happens again! We listen to some of you tools on here rip our kids when we lost to our 6th grade Orange team in the Fall. Some of u destroyed our kids verbal on this angry filled board, that wasn't cool. So we know how to EAT CROW.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I just can't understand the nonsense involved with this Team. We have many good Express Teams that win games every weekend, but we don't need to hear about it. Why the need for Express 2017 Orange to be so worried what everybody thinks about them.

Let's just all say they are the best, and not hear about it from these parents anymore. we don't see the Turtle/ 2016 Orange Parents boasting everytime they win a game. I think we should all chip in for therapy with this Team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh brother...at least spell your??? coaches name right. 1 win and you are crowing already. Make sure you can eat that crow when the time comes!!!!!!


Hey CHAMP, we've (Express 2017 Orange McManus) lost before and we will handle a lost well if & when it happens again! We listen to some of you tools on here rip our kids when we lost to our 6th grade Orange team in the Fall. Some of u destroyed our kids verbal on this angry filled board, that wasn't cool. So we know how to EAT CROW.


Did a 2017 express team really lose to a 2018 express team or was that just some BS being made up by 91 parents, that is crazy, lots of haters out there
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
you are right.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Please do not put Korwan"s team, with Turtles and McManus.They are the Blue team, until they show it on the field not on paper.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please do not put Korwan"s team, with Turtles and McManus.They are the Blue team, until they show it on the field not on paper.


FYI.... Korwan team is not the Blue team you can check with the Express if you would like or just go to the LIE website and look at the 2011 fall tournament winners page, that being said McMannus Orange and Korwan Piranhas are both A teams. Most important is we are proud to be a part of the Express organization and look forward to great competition from all this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please do not put Korwan"s team, with Turtles and McManus.They are the Blue team, until they show it on the field not on paper.


Please do not put McManus' team with Turtles. They were the Orange and are not AA until they show it on the field not on paper (or a forum of opinions).

Sound familiar

Think first!

FYI- McManus lost to Express 2018 orange, while Korwan beat Express 2018 orange
Korwans Team won Skull and Bones Tournament as well as beat many 8th grade teams indoors this winter. The team does speed and agility as well as practice every week. I think your color blind. McManus beats one decent team with a half of a roster and every one is going crazy. I am not saying they are not good they are but relax. Lets see what happens in the next few weekends.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Attention to all 2017 teams entered in the OBLL:

Apparently there is a team so superior to all of you that is seems pointless to even bother playing the games. We have been notified that Long Island has its first AAA Youth lacrosse team based on one win in the OBLL on its first weekend. Congratulations to the 2017 LI Express Orange team for being the best team in the country at its age group. The Turtles and the rest of Long Islands 2017 lax teams might as well quit playing lacrosse and take up baseball or something.

Sigh and I had such high hopes for my sons team.........
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
You know who is ducking McManuss..they dont want them anytime soon. They can play up and hide up all the wantt..Orange are the team to beat now.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I'll bite. What team might that be?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You know who is ducking McManuss..they dont want them anytime soon. They can play up and hide up all the wantt..Orange are the team to beat now.


thanks for the chuckle, funniest thing ive read in a while
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'll bite. What team might that be?


2018 LIExpreess Orange?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You know who is ducking McManuss..they dont want them anytime soon. They can play up and hide up all the wantt..Orange are the team to beat now.


I would say if the offer was thrown out there, the team you think is "ducking" McManus team would gladly show up and play them
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Is the Express still playing in the NPYLL?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is the Express still playing in the NPYLL?
According to the NPYLL web site (see the content island on the left side of the BOTC display), action opens on Sunday, April 1st. The Express is NOT listed as a participating team.

National (AA) U/15 Teams
Breakers, Cannons, Club Blue, Crabs, Hawks, MadLax, MD Elite, Next Level, Rock, Zingos

National (AA) U/13 Teams
Arden, Bethesda, Breakers, Cannons, Club Blue, Crabs, Fearless, Generals, Hawks, MadLax, MLC, Next Level, Rock, Zingos

National (AA) U/11 Teams
Bethesda, Breakers, Cannons, Club Blue, Fearless, Hawks, MD Elite, MLC, Next Level Zingos

American (A) U/15 Teams
Bethesda, Cannons, Cavaliers, Club Blue, Cobras, Generals, MadLax, MD Elite, Next Level, Zingos

American (A) U/13 Teams
Arden, Breakers, Bethesda, Cannons, Club Blue, Generals, Hawks, Hotstix, MadLax Blue, MadLax White, MD Elite, Next Level, Rock, Zingos

American (A) U/11 Teams
Arden Blue, Arden Green, Bethesda, Club Blue, Generals, MadLax, MLC, Next Level
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Since LI Express has not posted on its web site the tournaments in which its teams will be participating I thought I'd share that it appears the LI Express 2017 and 2016 teams are signed up for the Crabfeast Young Gun Tournament on July 7-8. Go Chargers!

From the Young Guns website:
Crabs 2016 and 2017 --
L I Express 2016 and 2017
Ct Chargers 2016s and 2017
NXT LC 2016
L I Riptide 2016
Next Level 2016 and 2017 --
CNY RoadHawks 2016 and 2017 --
Greene Turtle 2016 and 2017 --
Laxachusetts 2016 and 2017
Canadian Edge 2016 and 2017
Looks like Express added a new tryout due to demand on their website.

Eligible Teams: 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
nothing for 2022? lol
Originally Posted by acblax
Looks like Express added a new tryout due to demand on their website.

Eligible Teams: 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021



Overwhelming, or do they (management) feel as if they are lacking something!!!!!!!!!!! If I were on one of those teams, I wouldn't be happy..... Wait, isn't that their M.O. Add kids all throughout the season.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by LaxDad#14
Originally Posted by acblax
Looks like Express added a new tryout due to demand on their website.

Eligible Teams: 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021



Overwhelming, or do they (management) feel as if they are lacking something!!!!!!!!!!! If I were on one of those teams, I wouldn't be happy..... Wait, isn't that their M.O. Add kids all throughout the season.


or maybe they feel they filling a void, either kids that are not happy with the teams they are currently playing for and would rather be on the express or younger players that did not try out for teams in the fall and now would like to play somewhere. I doubt that the organization would do something like this unless they felt there was a market. and instead of mocking them lets wait and see if they have a turnout and they do in fact no what they are doing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
If anyhody should be starting another 2021 team, it should be the Jesters. $250.00 dollars and they can play.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Anyone now how the 2018 Orange and 2019 Orange teams did today against the out of state teams .
2019 had a strong showing. The first game against the NJ team was a shutout score was ~7 or 8 to 0.
The second game was exciting as the boys were asked to play against Laxachusetts as one team was a no show. The boys were winded and got behind 3-0 at the half and another goal in the second half put them at 4-0. They got their wind back and started to gel. They won 5-4.
The last game was against the same team from Boston. I believe the final was 5-3 Express.
Nice group of kids, parents and coaches on both sides today.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
2018 Orange won both of their games.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Express 2020 played at the Shamrock as the "Admirals". Couldn't miss the 15 boys wearing Express helmets.Lost championship to 91 orange 14-1.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Goaliesdad
2019 had a strong showing. The first game against the NJ team was a shutout score was ~7 or 8 to 0.
The second game was exciting as the boys were asked to play against Laxachusetts as one team was a no show. The boys were winded and got behind 3-0 at the half and another goal in the second half put them at 4-0. They got their wind back and started to gel. They won 5-4.
The last game was against the same team from Boston. I believe the final was 5-3 Express.
Nice group of kids, parents and coaches on both sides today.



What tourney did you play?
No tournament. Just 3 games.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Wow, 2/3 games with out-of-state teams. What a great preseason idea. On LI or elsewhere?
Orange went 3 for 3. It was a local event.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Thanks Goalie dad. Good luck for the season. Hearing nothing but good things about you guys (coaches, boys, families).
Are the tryouts to field an additional team or to fill spots on current rosters?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I feel that I should apologize for mocking express for having a 2021 team, i just heard the team 91 had tryouts for a 2022 team last week! what are these parents thinking? i would wager that more than half these kids can't even spell lacrosse! what's next a pre-k team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
laxmom- you should contact them directly about your child's age group, it might be different answers for different grades. IE 2020 might be adding teams while 2021 may b making new teams. these forums are more for opinions then facts and for facts you should always try to go to the source and not reply on anonymous posts from people with agendas
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
HUH! If anyone knows the facts.. Isnt that what we are looking for
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I heard the 2018 Express Orange was in Maryland this past weekend playing - who did they play and how did they do?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
they played the 7th grade crab team and got beat soundly.

they also played a 6th grade texas team and won in a very close game.

Long drive for 2 games...
This is our first year participating in travel Lacrosse. My son is on 2019 white Long Island Express. We have won 2 games in this spring session. We play Outlaws almost every weekend. Practice and game notification are always last minute notice. We have one coach. This team needs help. My sons PAL team puts in more effort. I don't understand? The coach is very nice and knows how to teach the boys, however something seems amiss. The team is also a combined 5 & 6th grade team. Any advice? Does anyone know if LIE gives refunds if you are dissatisfied?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
2019 6th grade ??? something is amiss
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
If you are taking about notifications to the Oyster league games (spring games), you are in the same boat as all of all teams in it. Some of us seem to handle it a bit better than others. i would not blame the coach.

If possible stick with it and see how it turns out for the summer.

I have heard Mike c. has always listen to parents when they needed to speak to him.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
You Have do understand express dosn't care about putting together good teams, they just want has many teams has possible. all about the $$$$$$
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I think both the above statements are true - they want as many teams as possible and it is a business so it is all about the money, but Mike C is a salesman and he does listen because he does not want to lose customers- particularly a 2019 potential long term customer
Originally Posted by schatzi
This is our first year participating in travel Lacrosse. My son is on 2019 white Long Island Express. We have won 2 games in this spring session. We play Outlaws almost every weekend. Practice and game notification are always last minute notice. We have one coach. This team needs help. My sons PAL team puts in more effort. I don't understand? The coach is very nice and knows how to teach the boys, however something seems amiss. The team is also a combined 5 & 6th grade team. Any advice? Does anyone know if LIE gives refunds if you are dissatisfied?


I know another parent who feels the same way, and has voiced concern to Mike C. He told them that the team will be getting split up and existing coach will handle 6th grade, while a new coach will handle the 5th grade team. I can only assume that new players are being added to these teams from the most recent tryouts. I suggest you stick it out till end of the tournament season, as I don't think you can get a refund.
Mike C is very nice however.when you have customers "investing" big bucks ( orange, blue & white paying the same) : payment, helmet Express gear etc.) and you get no responses from anyone or one word responses it is a bit inconsiderate.Too - whenever some of the parents asked what the full price was after we had to make the first 500$ payment none of us ever got a response until it was time to be fitted for uniforms and we were 1000$ deep. As parents show consideration by letting team leaders know if we will be late or cannot make a practice , we are consistantly hanging by a thread. I'm glad (sort of) to hear that other OB teams are getting the same treatment. I really feel this team is not encouraging to my sons skills other than the practices, where it has become a good learning tool. He is also getting hardly any playing time, in for three minutes , whistle blows & line change. The coaches starters are on the field most of the time and we get blown out every weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Sorry to hear of your experience, having been through the circuit, sometimes its the organization, sometimes it the coaches.

If its the organization stick with the coaches... If its the coaches LEAVE.

But be careful it is cyclical...

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -

This is common throughout travel teams, same posting yesterday on 91 forum. If the coaches have a son on team he will utilized him to no end to up his game regardless if he is dead wood or not and if there is top talent ahead of him he will make sure to only utilize them to make his/her own son look like the allstar, who will argue with a coach when your own son is at his mercy with playing time. The fact is get rid of parent coaching and see what happens to that kid then.. chances are he wouldnt even be a thought during tryouts.

Sad shame that parent coaching on travel is all about the coaches son , at the cost of others.




Originally Posted by schatzi
Mike C is very nice however.when you have customers "investing" big bucks ( orange, blue & white paying the same) : payment, helmet Express gear etc.) and you get no responses from anyone or one word responses it is a bit inconsiderate.Too - whenever some of the parents asked what the full price was after we had to make the first 500$ payment none of us ever got a response until it was time to be fitted for uniforms and we were 1000$ deep. As parents show consideration by letting team leaders know if we will be late or cannot make a practice , we are consistantly hanging by a thread. I'm glad (sort of) to hear that other OB teams are getting the same treatment. I really feel this team is not encouraging to my sons skills other than the practices, where it has become a good learning tool. He is also getting hardly any playing time, in for three minutes , whistle blows & line change. The coaches starters are on the field most of the time and we get blown out every weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think both the above statements are true - they want as many teams as possible and it is a business so it is all about the money, but Mike C is a salesman and he does listen because he does not want to lose customers- particularly a 2019 potential long term customer


I think you're 100% wrong. We saw this in every team while with the Express for 3 years. We left. We wanted a place where our concerns were addressed and the teams were well run and coached.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
How many 2019 teams are there? Are the others happy grin
Do you think 5th grade is too young to start travel lacrosse?
I ran into someone the other day and they said that kids start getting looked at starting in 7th grade under the rug? Any truth? Is burn out a concern for anyone? My kid does like to play other sports.

There are three 2019 teams on LIE. They just had tryouts for more. Are they all happy? Probably, blue and orange have the esteemed coaches and more than likely exceptionable players.

@ Anonymous - you stayed for three years with LIE , what age were your kids at and where are you now that you are happier? Why three years?


Also , the coach of my sons team has one coach only and none of his own children on the team.When you say cyclical - meaning most teams are run in this fashion? I do like my sons coach , I do think he cares but I do think he needs help.



Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
i think when you have your child play summer/travel lacrosse is a function of your child and how interested they are in the game and how much they want to play. I have three boys, and two of them wanted to play 5th grade Summer lax and they both loved it. I would encourage multiple sports if your child wants to do that to avoid burn out and to develop different/complementary skill sets - basketball and lax go well together; as does hockey and lax for example.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Again, they just want the money as well. If your sons were so good in there town position why are they playing different positions beacause they are noot good enough
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Part of what I feel your dues on a travel team go for is paid coaches. Too many parent coaches have their own agenda for their kids and the kids friends. While town ball coaches are volunteer, travel coaches are typically paid and should not include parents as coaches. Ask going in what the coaching senerio is, if its a parent to a kid on the team, find another team,fast.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Some express parent coaches are worth their weight in.... Gold!
I perused travel lacrosse for my son to receive better instruction. The town program where I live is only two years old and the boys are very mixed in talent. Simple catching and passing become frustrating when a basic skill needs to be practiced and your child is at a different level. He still plays on that team though because they are his friends and the fundamentals of having fun with your friends is very important. My son has been playing much longer in a different town , however that program fizzled out. I wanted him playing with better players to bring up his game. In the past my experience was that the better kids he played with the better he actually played and the more he learned. I will say playing on on LIE has definitely boosted his knowledge/strategy & confidence. I do wish he would get more play time, unfortunately he is one of two 5th graders playing on a 6th grade team & the coach really hasn't given him a chance.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
3 payments of $600 $1800
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
ASK TO PLAY ON A 5TH GRADE TEAM THERE ARE ENOUGH BOYS TO CARRY QUITE A FEW TEAMS
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
very impressive that you're sending you're 4th grade Orange "A" team to lehigh to play in a 3rd/4th grade division.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Just like 91 2018 A team playing in 5th-6th....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
91 2018 is at least playing in the "A" division. No breakout in 3rd/4th. Hope you're proud. If Orange crush was at Lehigh Express Orange would run back to fl$ tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just like 91 2018 A team playing in 5th-6th....


......and Team 91 2019 Orange playing in the 5th/6th grade B division. What's your point?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Try to remember that if he is good enough to be playing up, the experience from the practices and the coaching if it is good, far outweighs the lack of playing time. To many people forget, when they are in 5/6 grade, no one remembers who won what! It's all about the experience.
The playing time will come. Just think he is learning and experiencing things that other 5th graders aren't so he will be a step ahead of them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
so where did you go
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
just having fun watching you get worked up. can't we all just get along?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
actually the point is that 91 and express never seem to go head to head in tournaments. Are they both afraid of losing to each other? Two vaunted rivals who refuse to get into the ring. It's too bad for the kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Tristate has the potential divisions up and it looks as if some Express teams will face some 91 teams (along with a few other LI teams).

Good luck to all.

BTG
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
actually the point is that 91 and express never seem to go head to head in tournaments. Are they both afraid of losing to each other? Two vaunted rivals who refuse to get into the ring. It's too bad for the kids.


If I am not mistaken, the Turtles have an open invitation for 91 2017 Orange to play with them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
91 2018 also has an open invitation to play express 2018 orange. Channy prefers to play 5th graders and shows up with 35 players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
My son plays for another team in this age group, I do know players from both teams who we played with. It seems to me that both teams are making moves and avoiding the other. 91 got much bigger and stronger during the winter and the Turtles went and tried to make themselves bigger. The Turtles dominate at the faceoff dot and control the ball, 91 went and got a tough, big faceoff guy to eliminate that. They are both going to Lehigh but in diffrent groupings. Turtles are playing 7/8 A and 91 already has the 2016 teams in that bracket so the 2017 is playing 7/8 B. I guess they will never play each other
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Huh
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Huh

did you mean "huh" or hahahahahah
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son plays for another team in this age group, I do know players from both teams who we played with. It seems to me that both teams are making moves and avoiding the other. 91 got much bigger and stronger during the winter and the Turtles went and tried to make themselves bigger. The Turtles dominate at the faceoff dot and control the ball, 91 went and got a tough, big faceoff guy to eliminate that. They are both going to Lehigh but in diffrent groupings. Turtles are playing 7/8 A and 91 already has the 2016 teams in that bracket so the 2017 is playing 7/8 B. I guess they will never play each other


What made you invest all this time to scribe this worthless statement? One big middie from KP isn't going to run over the Turtles. Every T contributes to their success. Good luck this summer
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
actually the point is that 91 and express never seem to go head to head in tournaments. Are they both afraid of losing to each other? Two vaunted rivals who refuse to get into the ring. It's too bad for the kids.


If I am not mistaken, the Turtles have an open invitation for 91 2017 Orange to play with them.


Lot of "invitations" seem to be out there but no RSVP by either side.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son plays for another team in this age group, I do know players from both teams who we played with. It seems to me that both teams are making moves and avoiding the other. 91 got much bigger and stronger during the winter and the Turtles went and tried to make themselves bigger. The Turtles dominate at the faceoff dot and control the ball, 91 went and got a tough, big faceoff guy to eliminate that. They are both going to Lehigh but in diffrent groupings. Turtles are playing 7/8 A and 91 already has the 2016 teams in that bracket so the 2017 is playing 7/8 B. I guess they will never play each other


What made you invest all this time to scribe this worthless statement? One big middie from KP isn't going to run over the Turtles. Every T contributes to their success. Good luck this summer

One big Middie from KP isn,t going to run over the Turtles but a big team has JD trying to retool midstream, why else try to get a big Blue De-man from Bayville to come down and work out with the Turtles and see how they do things just 1 week before the summer tournaments begin. Who else has gotten calls? Who is being cut loose?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Which Express 2017 team will be playing in Woodbridge, CT this weekend?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Orange Crush is a two man show, rest of the team is mediocre at best. Once long poles get introduced those two will be neutralized and Express will roll over you...they're getting better and you're treading water at best...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]My son plays for another team in this age group, I do know players from both teams who we played with. It seems to me that both teams are making moves and avoiding the other. 91 got much bigger and stronger during the winter and the Turtles went and tried to make themselves bigger. The Turtles dominate at the faceoff dot and control the ball, 91 went and got a tough, big faceoff guy to eliminate that. They are both going to Lehigh but in diffrent groupings. Turtles are playing 7/8 A and 91 already has the 2016 teams in that bracket so the 2017 is playing 7/8 B. I guess they will never play each other


What made you invest all this time to scribe this worthless statement? One big middie from KP isn't going to run over the Turtles. Every T contributes to their success. Good luck this summer

One big Middie from KP isn,t going to run over the Turtles but a big team has JD trying to retool midstream, why else try to get a big Blue De-man from Bayville to come down and work out with the Turtles and see how they do things just 1 week before the summer tournaments begin. Who else has gotten calls? Who is being cut loose? [/quote

You might want to lay off the hemp. No truth to that. Move along.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Hey Crush... Hope severs doesnt creep into those heels before the summer lets out. It just cant be healthy letting your son play that much over a two day span.

Let alone when there is a bench of players to take some minutes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
So because Turtles look at a player during the season and JD's team is doomed? Really? I'm pretty sure he does that from time to time. They looked at another De-Man from Express a few weeks ago, doesn't mean they are crumbling.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Having seen both of these teams My boy is on 5th exp. Lets be honest those two boys are phenomenal but that entire team is really really really good and those kids are all on the same page. Way ahead of our 4th grade but remember there 4th grade things can change as the kids grow.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Biggest express issue with our 4th and 5th grade programs Why do we oNLY play our age group, we have to challenge our kids!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So because Turtles look at a player during the season and JD's team is doomed? Really? I'm pretty sure he does that from time to time. They looked at another De-Man from Express a few weeks ago, doesn't mean they are crumbling.

Looking at new players is fine, but out and out recruiting in season is borderline cheap. What does it say to your own players, we like you but might replace you, no your my goalie but we're bringing one in, your my faceoff guy but we're bringing one in BUT only to take a look. As far as no truth to the rumours PHONE records can convict in courts so be careful with the denials.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey Crush... Hope severs doesnt creep into those heels before the summer lets out. It just cant be healthy letting your son play that much over a two day span.

Let alone when there is a bench of players to take some minutes.


That is so not even close to being funny, my son has been living with severs for two years and it sucks and you are a jerk for joking about an 11 year old getting this - you sir should rot in [lacrosse] and have you kid play baseball (is that redundant?)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
No it is not cheap; because it wasnt not meant to be funny!

IT WAS A WARNING!

Coming from having to deal with servers as well, along with osgood slatter.

rememeber anti-inflamitories are no good for a growing body's bones!

Use your subs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I am quite sure when the tournaments were picked neither 91 or Express (fl$ JESTERS TEAM LI TRUE BLUE etc) knew/consulted the other on which tournaments to attend.

Or if they did, agreed why do they have to go to the same tournaments. Wouldnt that get boring fast.

(but probably just decided to boycott the tournaments the other one was afiliated with)

But ever since the teams were told which games they were going to we all second guessed everything as far as why arent we at the same venues or why are we in a certain bracket.

IMO If there are 1 or 2 tournaments where we face each other shouldnt that be good enough.

As far as which level (moving up) - you never know who you are going to get in a tournament until the teams attending are released. Then you can jockey for your correct position.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So because Turtles look at a player during the season and JD's team is doomed? Really? I'm pretty sure he does that from time to time. They looked at another De-Man from Express a few weeks ago, doesn't mean they are crumbling.

Looking at new players is fine, but out and out recruiting in season is borderline cheap. What does it say to your own players, we like you but might replace you, no your my goalie but we're bringing one in, your my faceoff guy but we're bringing one in BUT only to take a look. As far as no truth to the rumours PHONE records can convict in courts so be careful with the denials.


If TB is so afraid of losing a kid who goes to a training session they are obviously doing something wrong. Let the kids play wherever makes them happy and they get better, everyone should stop acting as if these kids are under contract. THEY PAY YOU. The only thing that is cheap is coaches bullying kids and parents into not to get the best training they can. Its about the kids not about your record or cash cow
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So because Turtles look at a player during the season and JD's team is doomed? Really? I'm pretty sure he does that from time to time. They looked at another De-Man from Express a few weeks ago, doesn't mean they are crumbling.

Looking at new players is fine, but out and out recruiting in season is borderline cheap. What does it say to your own players, we like you but might replace you, no your my goalie but we're bringing one in, your my faceoff guy but we're bringing one in BUT only to take a look. As far as no truth to the rumours PHONE records can convict in courts so be careful with the denials.


If TB is so afraid of losing a kid who goes to a training session they are obviously doing something wrong. Let the kids play wherever makes them happy and they get better, everyone should stop acting as if these kids are under contract. THEY PAY YOU. The only thing that is cheap is coaches bullying kids and parents into not to get the best training they can. Its about the kids not about your record or cash cow

It seems to me the team that is recruiting a player or players is the team that is afraid. It appears that the big sell didn't go over to well the player stayed with TB. Whats wrong is a team making like everything is all warm and cuddly with their own players while looking for the next new toy,
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Can it NOT be viewed as WRONG? It is simply SLEAZY to do the "recruiting/ coaxing away" thing in the mid-season. Possibly YOU drink the most KOOL-AID of ALL!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
That would be more "KOOL-AID" as well. Believe what you are told..... Have you noticed the amount of VERY talented athletes surfacing at ALL age divisions, and from MANY areas? A reality that we may face soon is that there are MANY teams who can out-muscle the FORMER kid-superstars. The large check book and willingness to work hard is NO substitute for raw power and God-given natural talent. That big KP kid is only part of a strong team. A team of good kids, coached by an extremely competent staff.
Enjoy it....while it lasts
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I know little about these teams but saying a dominant face off guy can not make a big difference is mistaken. If you go from a guy who head to head was winning 30% of his faceoffs to a FOGO who wins 70% that translates into less goals from one team, more for the other
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That would be more "KOOL-AID" as well. Believe what you are told..... Have you noticed the amount of VERY talented athletes surfacing at ALL age divisions, and from MANY areas? A reality that we may face soon is that there are MANY teams who can out-muscle the FORMER kid-superstars. The large check book and willingness to work hard is NO substitute for raw power and God-given natural talent. That big KP kid is only part of a strong team. A team of good kids, coached by an extremely competent staff.
Enjoy it....while it lasts

That FORMER superstar straight 7 th grade team went 3-1 yesterday at Lehigh in 7/8A bracket hand 91 2016 white a 8-3 loss. Imagine the hurt they would put on 2017.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That would be more "KOOL-AID" as well. Believe what you are told..... Have you noticed the amount of VERY talented athletes surfacing at ALL age divisions, and from MANY areas? A reality that we may face soon is that there are MANY teams who can out-muscle the FORMER kid-superstars. The large check book and willingness to work hard is NO substitute for raw power and God-given natural talent. That big KP kid is only part of a strong team. A team of good kids, coached by an extremely competent staff.
Enjoy it....while it lasts

That FORMER superstar straight 7 th grade team went 3-1 yesterday at Lehigh in 7/8A bracket hand 91 2016 white a 8-3 loss. Imagine the hurt they would put on 2017.


Too bad they lost to Victor in the third game. They are not invincible in the 2017 bracket.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Any results from weekend tourneys? fl$, Lehigh or Yale?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That would be more "KOOL-AID" as well. Believe what you are told..... Have you noticed the amount of VERY talented athletes surfacing at ALL age divisions, and from MANY areas? A reality that we may face soon is that there are MANY teams who can out-muscle the FORMER kid-superstars. The large check book and willingness to work hard is NO substitute for raw power and God-given natural talent. That big KP kid is only part of a strong team. A team of good kids, coached by an extremely competent staff.
Enjoy it....while it lasts

That FORMER superstar straight 7 th grade team went 3-1 yesterday at Lehigh in 7/8A bracket hand 91 2016 white a 8-3 loss. Imagine the hurt they would put on 2017.


Too bad they lost to Victor in the third game. They are not invincible in the 2017 bracket.

Obviously you missed something. They played in a 7/8A bracket as a straight 7 th grade team against bigger and stronger kids. Losing one game is not the end of the world and good to know how to handle not only the wins. BTW they ARE invincible in the 2017 age group. Not defined by my words but by record. Good day sir!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That would be more "KOOL-AID" as well. Believe what you are told..... Have you noticed the amount of VERY talented athletes surfacing at ALL age divisions, and from MANY areas? A reality that we may face soon is that there are MANY teams who can out-muscle the FORMER kid-superstars. The large check book and willingness to work hard is NO substitute for raw power and God-given natural talent. That big KP kid is only part of a strong team. A team of good kids, coached by an extremely competent staff.
Enjoy it....while it lasts

That FORMER superstar straight 7 th grade team went 3-1 yesterday at Lehigh in 7/8A bracket hand 91 2016 white a 8-3 loss. Imagine the hurt they would put on 2017.

Play 91 Orange....

Too bad they lost to Victor in the third game. They are not invincible in the 2017 bracket.

Obviously you missed something. They played in a 7/8A bracket as a straight 7 th grade team against bigger and stronger kids. Losing one game is not the end of the world and good to know how to handle not only the wins. BTW they ARE invincible in the 2017 age group. Not defined by my words but by record. Good day sir!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
LI Express 2017 Piranhas/Korwan made it to the championship game after beating fl$ at the fl$ tournament today. They lost to the very tough Gladiators in the championship game. Major talent on the Piranhas, this team stays together they will be unstoppable.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
yeah.. but Victor is a "Town Team"..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yeah.. but Victor is a "Town Team"..

Yes Victor is a "Town Team " just like Smithtown and Sachem and West Islip and I could go on and on but you should get the picture, a very good town team. Same group that defeated the now 7th grade 91 group last year at Lehigh, and gave a very strong 8th grade 91 group a solid effort on Saturday in the Finals. I was there and watched the game, it seems the only person who it really bothered was JD, who lost his little mind berating his players and storming the field to convey his displeasure with the referees. Napoleon met his Waterloo on June 18,1815 in Belgium, JD met his June 16,2012 in Lehigh
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI Express 2017 Piranhas/Korwan made it to the championship game after beating fl$ at the fl$ tournament today. They lost to the very tough Gladiators in the championship game. Major talent on the Piranhas, this team stays together they will be unstoppable.


I agree, lot's of talent on that LI Express 2017 Piranhas/Korwan team across the board. Congratulations to a very good Gladiator team, it was a great championship game especially the first half.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yeah.. but Victor is a "Town Team"..

Yes Victor is a "Town Team " just like Smithtown and Sachem and West Islip and I could go on and on but you should get the picture, a very good town team. Same group that defeated the now 7th grade 91 group last year at Lehigh, and gave a very strong 8th grade 91 group a solid effort on Saturday in the Finals. I was there and watched the game, it seems the only person who it really bothered was JD, who lost his little mind berating his players and storming the field to convey his displeasure with the referees. Napoleon met his Waterloo on June 18,1815 in Belgium, JD met his June 16,2012 in Lehigh

OMG Historiclly correct and totally Hillarious
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
who is JD? is he with 91 or Turtles?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That would be more "KOOL-AID" as well. Believe what you are told..... Have you noticed the amount of VERY talented athletes surfacing at ALL age divisions, and from MANY areas? A reality that we may face soon is that there are MANY teams who can out-muscle the FORMER kid-superstars. The large check book and willingness to work hard is NO substitute for raw power and God-given natural talent. That big KP kid is only part of a strong team. A team of good kids, coached by an extremely competent staff.
Enjoy it....while it lasts

That FORMER superstar straight 7 th grade team went 3-1 yesterday at Lehigh in 7/8A bracket hand 91 2016 white a 8-3 loss. Imagine the hurt they would put on 2017.


Too bad they lost to Victor in the third game. They are not invincible in the 2017 bracket.

Obviously you missed something. They played in a 7/8A bracket as a straight 7 th grade team against bigger and stronger kids. Losing one game is not the end of the world and good to know how to handle not only the wins. BTW they ARE invincible in the 2017 age group. Not defined by my words but by record. Good day sir!


I know what they played in. Like most true A teams, they can play up in a B bracket and win. Not competitive against true A teams at higher grade levels. Tell me who they beat at Lehigh that were true A teams?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Can someone tell me what other teams are playing up? And i'm not talking 4th grade and below. 5th into 6thA, 6th in 7thA or u-13A, 7th into 8th-A or u-15A, 8th into 9th or jv-A. for all the talk about how good all these clubs are I rarely see them challenging themselves. you have to at least give the turtles credit for taking the risk and playing in a tougher division than the 2017 at fl$ tourney or the 7/8th B at Legigh where all the other 2017 teams were.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can someone tell me what other teams are playing up? And i'm not talking 4th grade and below. 5th into 6thA, 6th in 7thA or u-13A, 7th into 8th-A or u-15A, 8th into 9th or jv-A. for all the talk about how good all these clubs are I rarely see them challenging themselves. you have to at least give the turtles credit for taking the risk and playing in a tougher division than the 2017 at fl$ tourney or the 7/8th B at Legigh where all the other 2017 teams were.


Now it's no good to play your age level? You have to play up to be considered good? Make up your mind all knowing and all powerful shelled ones!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
if your going to play up.. don't cry when one of your kids get smashed!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can someone tell me what other teams are playing up? And i'm not talking 4th grade and below. 5th into 6thA, 6th in 7thA or u-13A, 7th into 8th-A or u-15A, 8th into 9th or jv-A. for all the talk about how good all these clubs are I rarely see them challenging themselves. you have to at least give the turtles credit for taking the risk and playing in a tougher division than the 2017 at fl$ tourney or the 7/8th B at Legigh where all the other 2017 teams were.


I'm not aware of any Express Orange teams that play up in the most competitive "A" or "AA" brackets. Like the prior poster said, most can play up but just in the B bracket. There is usually a wide gap between Orange teams by grade until you get to rising juniors when it gets closer. The current 2015 Orange team probably could not beat the 2014 Orange and similarily the 2016 Orange team would get run over by the 2015 Orange. Just the way it is.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
2020 Express Orange won the 3/4th grade bracket at Lehigh.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
who is JD? is he with 91 or Turtles?

If you need to ask you don't need to know
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
This is why there needs to be some sort of ranking organizing system. Of course the first few weeks may be off a bit, but it gets the ball rolling.


If true A teams stick with true A ranking then there isnt this issue, but is there enough of those teams to go around. You dont want or need to play each other every weekend. A strong B or weak A should be abe to straddle the lines of Challenging themselves to play against A teams and wining against B teams. Even by challeneging themselves by playing up.

But if you are so interested in who the true A teams are can you start and list them. (you say you want to know from 5th up give it your best shot maybe seperate by location MD/PA/NJ/NY-LI/NY-west,CT, MA (NE) ).

but rememember only LI does it one year at a time everyone else blends the teams.

BTG

here is a chart to use to help the communtiy rank themselves. (copy to Word or Excel). For those interested in younger grades go ahead - for those who can rank B teams go ahead).


Born After
9/00 9/99 9/98 9/97 9/96
5th 6th 7th 8th JV Var
Region Rank A A A A A A
NY-li
1
2
3
4
5

NY West and UP
1
2
3
4
5

CT
1
2
3
4
5

New England
1
2
3
4
5

NJ
1
2
3
4
5

PA
1
2
3
4
5

MD
1
2
3
4
5

Wildcards
1
2
3
4
5


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
When there is a tournament which details A and AA. there should be no need to play up.

At a local tournament. The designation of A is arbitrary. In this case, the top teams in the younger grade can play up in an A pool bracket.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
You must be so proud. I bet those 3rd grade town teams you beat up were very impressed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
All of you piranhas parents stop talking about your team. Hate to break it to you, you guys aren't that good and the fog tournament is a joke. You could not match up with Tb, the real express orange,91 orange, and the turtles and I guarantee you will never be unstoppable, just stop talking nonsense.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
who is JD? is he with 91 or Turtles?

If you need to ask you don't need to know


wow - what an A$$, some of us read these forums and are not "in the no" so it was a legit questions
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I have to concur. How is a team unstoppable when they got smacked in a championship team? Not a good statement to make.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
who is JD? is he with 91 or Turtles?

If you need to ask you don't need to know


wow - what an A$$, some of us read these forums and are not "in the no" so it was a legit questions


Johnny Depp, Joe DiMaggio, James Dean, John Denver, Jimmy Durante, Johnny Damon, Jonathan Davis, Jimmy Dean, Judi Dench, JD Salinger, John Deere, John Dorian, Jack Dawson
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
who is JD? is he with 91 or Turtles?

If you need to ask you don't need to know


wow - what an A$$, some of us read these forums and are not "in the no" so it was a legit questions


Good point, the person did come off like an A$$. So, here is your info. JD is with Turtles. Founder of the team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
That person is probably JD himself or one of the other two Turtle coaches.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I would have to agree. Based on the way they conduct themselves on the field, that type of response would not surprise me. If Turtles are so good why is it their coaches are constantly riding refs, players and whoever else they can find to argue with to gain and advantage for their team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
who is JD? is he with 91 or Turtles?

If you need to ask you don't need to know


wow - what an A$$, some of us read these forums and are not "in the no" so it was a legit questions


Johnny Depp, Joe DiMaggio, James Dean, John Denver, Jimmy Durante, Johnny Damon, Jonathan Davis, Jimmy Dean, Judi Dench, JD Salinger, John Deere, John Dorian, Jack Dawson


Hey tool time, put down the Jack Daniels.... lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Quote
I would have to agree. Based on the way they conduct themselves on the field, that type of response would not surprise me. If Turtles are so good why is it their coaches are constantly riding refs, players and whoever else they can find to argue with to gain and advantage for their team?


or scream "F" bombs everytime someone scores against them!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
who is JD? is he with 91 or Turtles?

If you need to ask you don't need to know


wow - what an A$$, some of us read these forums and are not "in the no" so it was a legit questions


Johnny Depp, Joe DiMaggio, James Dean, John Denver, Jimmy Durante, Johnny Damon, Jonathan Davis, Jimmy Dean, Judi Dench, JD Salinger, John Deere, John Dorian, Jack Dawson


Hey tool time, put down the Jack Daniels.... lol

Jack Daniels is funny the rest not so much
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
New to this...Are they called the turtles because the coaches are so short????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
How many more 11 year olds do you have on the Orange Crush? When I grew up that was a fifth grader, so let's not be so proud that your two best players are really playing down a year and should be playing against fifth graders.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yeah.. but Victor is a "Town Team"..

Yes Victor is a "Town Team " just like Smithtown and Sachem and West Islip and I could go on and on but you should get the picture, a very good town team. Same group that defeated the now 7th grade 91 group last year at Lehigh, and gave a very strong 8th grade 91 group a solid effort on Saturday in the Finals. I was there and watched the game, it seems the only person who it really bothered was JD, who lost his little mind berating his players and storming the field to convey his displeasure with the referees. Napoleon met his Waterloo on June 18,1815 in Belgium, JD met his June 16,2012 in Lehigh

The Rumour is JD stormed the field not to "convey his displeasure with the refs" but to berate a player from the opposing team who had the audacity to hit one of his Turtle players
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
yup.. turtle kid got smashed and the end of the game and the coach vented cuse his team got killed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yeah.. but Victor is a "Town Team"..

Yes Victor is a "Town Team " just like Smithtown and Sachem and West Islip and I could go on and on but you should get the picture, a very good town team. Same group that defeated the now 7th grade 91 group last year at Lehigh, and gave a very strong 8th grade 91 group a solid effort on Saturday in the Finals. I was there and watched the game, it seems the only person who it really bothered was JD, who lost his little mind berating his players and storming the field to convey his displeasure with the referees. Napoleon met his Waterloo on June 18,1815 in Belgium, JD met his June 16,2012 in Lehigh

The Rumour is JD stormed the field not to "convey his displeasure with the refs" but to berate a player from the opposing team who had the audacity to hit one of his Turtle players


Classy. If even half of this is true, why would you want your kid on the turtles. I don't care how good they are, do you really want your kid being involved and thinking this is acceptable?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yup.. turtle kid got smashed and the end of the game and the coach vented cuse his team got killed.


What a bunch of clowns on this thread. Everyone knows everything about a team and their coaches who do nothing but keep to themselves and throw nothing in anyone's face. There are other solutions to solve your ED problems rather than trying to get a "rise" out of 12/13 year old lacrosse. Play your own game, build your own team and if you ever have the nerve, contact the Turtles to play a game. Then again it's you parents doing all the whining. I'm sure your kids are quite happy doing their own thing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many more 11 year olds do you have on the Orange Crush? When I grew up that was a fifth grader, so let's not be so proud that your two best players are really playing down a year and should be playing against fifth graders.


this has to stop - if a kid is in 4th grade he is a 4th grader, if it is a grade based tourney he is not "playing down" if he is in 5th grade and plays in a 4th grade division than he is "playing down" if it is a U11 and he was 10 on 8/31/2011 he is a U11 if he was 11 on 8/31/2011 and he plays in a U11 then he is playing down. get over it.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Napoleon complex. At least he was picking on someone his own size.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
this has to stop - if a kid is in 4th grade he is a 4th grader, if it is a grade based tourney he is not "playing down" if he is in 5th grade and plays in a 4th grade division than he is "playing down" if it is a U11 and he was 10 on 8/31/2011 he is a U11 if he was 11 on 8/31/2011 and he plays in a U11 then he is playing down. get over it.....
This is precisely why birth date, not class grade, should be the measuring stick. A student who SHOULD BE in fifth grade but is playing in a fourth grade bracket is playing down.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yup.. turtle kid got smashed and the end of the game and the coach vented cuse his team got killed.


What a bunch of clowns on this thread. Everyone knows everything about a team and their coaches who do nothing but keep to themselves and throw nothing in anyone's face. There are other solutions to solve your ED problems rather than trying to get a "rise" out of 12/13 year old lacrosse. Play your own game, build your own team and if you ever have the nerve, contact the Turtles to play a game. Then again it's you parents doing all the whining. I'm sure your kids are quite happy doing their own thing.

" Build your own team " so thats how its done not by contacting players from other teams for a "Tryout". Please the Turtles have been built by scouring the other teams for players out there and selling them on the "Turtle Way ". Does the sell include being berated and cursed at by a coach who appears to have been the last kid icked in the school yard
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Does anyone truley know these boys birthdates. but for this week who cares, look what division they are playing this week. 5th grade.


I heard Bethesda scrimmaged one of the teams they were facing and got beaten up badly. Bethesda won but was spent afterwards.

could be interesting
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
this has to stop - if a kid is in 4th grade he is a 4th grader, if it is a grade based tourney he is not "playing down" if he is in 5th grade and plays in a 4th grade division than he is "playing down" if it is a U11 and he was 10 on 8/31/2011 he is a U11 if he was 11 on 8/31/2011 and he plays in a U11 then he is playing down. get over it.....
This is precisely why birth date, not class grade, should be the measuring stick. A student who SHOULD BE in fifth grade but is playing in a fourth grade bracket is playing down.


Sage - I almost always agree with you but here I do not, the kids need to be ready for 7th grade middle school and beyond where it is grade based and not age based. most teams are being set up by graduating year not by age and most tournaments are as well. because lacrosse does not have the numbers that soccer has you have U9, U11, U13 and U15 not U9,U10,U11,U12 ect. so you still have the two year grouping. Recon goes by age and their U13 team is made up of both 7th and 8th graders and when they go to a grade based tournament they play in the 8th grade bracket. Recon could have a 7th grade kid born in '99 and an 8th grade team could could have "legal" kid born in '97 so you still have that large gap. They play grade based in PAl and Middle School and these kids should be able to stay together in the summer. - unless and until USLacrosse can standardize all leagues, teams and tournaments. cheating is cheating and that is another issue but I do not believe that a kid in 7th grade playing on a 7th grade team is cheating or "playing Down. just my opinion
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
If you're already 11 you should clearly be in 5th grade, if you choose to hold your kid back that's your decision and they benefit from that in sports. Just recognize that you're playing against younger kids, we could all hold our kids back a year and then they would be dominant too. Kids should play against kids there own age, that's what is fair, having an 11 year old play against 9 year olds and having that kid never come off the field is not cool or impressive.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
To be clear, they are playing in the 5th grade B division....yawn
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
of course, why get beat by 91 2019 orange again!

Lets go White 2019
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
how many kids on Long Island are being held back that we are having all this conversation? I know a few kids that were not held back but just started kindergarten late and are now older and those decisions are usually social and development issues and not about athletics, I know of one kid who repeated 8th grade this year and do I think that was a lacrosse decision because he was talented but small so even playing 8th grade again this summer he is hardly physically dominating - i also wonder if everybody that is obsessed with this age thing will not allow their kids to move up in middle school to JV because they don't want to play against kids that are older.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
it is an obsession of so many people because it's flat out unfair to the kids who are age appropriate. there is a simple solution, go by calendar birth year. once you get into middle school and high school you have to deal with playing against older kids, but because at a young age kids develop so much year-to-year it's really stupid to have kids of varying ages play against each other. lacrosse is the only sport that does it this way, all other organized youth sports do it by age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yup.. turtle kid got smashed and the end of the game and the coach vented cuse his team got killed.


What a bunch of clowns on this thread. Everyone knows everything about a team and their coaches who do nothing but keep to themselves and throw nothing in anyone's face. There are other solutions to solve your ED problems rather than trying to get a "rise" out of 12/13 year old lacrosse. Play your own game, build your own team and if you ever have the nerve, contact the Turtles to play a game. Then again it's you parents doing all the whining. I'm sure your kids are quite happy doing their own thing.

" Build your own team " so thats how its done not by contacting players from other teams for a "Tryout". Please the Turtles have been built by scouring the other teams for players out there and selling them on the "Turtle Way ". Does the sell include being berated and cursed at by a coach who appears to have been the last kid icked in the school yard


In all seriousness you have to GET A GRIP. Do me a favor try to explain to any of your level headed peers how and why you rant and rave about YOUTH lacrosse. No one cares, it means nothing, they are kids, just enjoy your childs experience and lose the hate it becomes much more enjoyable. And the next time your about to post just say out loud 5x I am wasting time arguing about YOUTH lacrosee. Hopefully after the fifth time you will realize how dumb it sounds.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Good luck to the teams playing this weekend.


BTG
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I care about everything so if you choose not to, go plant a tree or walk a museum, and stay out of our way or you'll get run over. I bet you vote for Obama.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
You all cry about kids not playing in their own age groups until you asked to get moved up to Varsity at 9 th grade . Then it's OK. Bunch of hypocrites. It's ok when convenient for you. Let the kids play their grade they're in. I doubt some hold their kids back at 5 assuming they will be lacrosse stars.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
From the Turltes Website. Maybe the coaching staff should print a copy of this and bring it with them. LOL.

The Coaches and Parents of the Turtles are committed to offering the very best instruction, training, and competitive opportunities to the boys on the team. We adhere to and teach the following principles of US Lacrosse and believe this is the best way to Honor the Game.

•Respect your coaches, Teammates, opponents, officials and the fans.
•Compete with heart, honor, and hustle.
•Honor the traditions of the game and respect the ancestors of the sport.
•Have fun, be passionate, and adhere to the spirit of the game both on and off the field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
From the Turltes Website. Maybe the coaching staff should print a copy of this and bring it with them. LOL.

The Coaches and Parents of the Turtles are committed to offering the very best instruction, training, and competitive opportunities to the boys on the team. We adhere to and teach the following principles of US Lacrosse and believe this is the best way to Honor the Game.

•Respect your coaches, Teammates, opponents, officials and the fans.
•Compete with heart, honor, and hustle.
•Honor the traditions of the game and respect the ancestors of the sport.
•Have fun, be passionate, and adhere to the spirit of the game both on and off the field.


You my friend have a lot of time on your hands.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I care about everything so if you choose not to, go plant a tree or walk a museum, and stay out of our way or you'll get run over. I bet you vote for Obama.

I see where you going with this and would like to recommend you use "Occupy Youth lacrosse" or "OYL" as you signature.
"stay out of our way or you'll get run over" blahhhhh
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
2016 orange have played up and beat multiple 2015 teams, including Express Blue and White 2015. In addition played a JV team from Texas, need to know anything else !!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
JD is the owner of Lacrosse Unlimited and coaches his son on this team. He has everything at his finger tips, including equipment, coaches and money ....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
JD is the owner of Lacrosse Unlimited and coaches his son on this team. He has everything at his finger tips, including equipment, coaches and money ....

Thanks for the revelation but your point is what...not ever team has the same resources and we must make everything equal? Apply the same attention to the state of our economy and gov takeover with IT'S power grab and leave youth lacrosse alone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Just a response to earlier posts..No need to make a pont but thanks for your insight
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
JD is the owner of Lacrosse Unlimited and coaches his son on this team. He has everything at his finger tips, including equipment, coaches and money ....

Thanks for the revelation but your point is what...not ever team has the same resources and we must make everything equal? Apply the same attention to the state of our economy and gov takeover with IT'S power grab and leave youth lacrosse alone.


wasn't making a statement - was answering an earlier question asking who was JD that was being mentioned in posts
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2016 orange have played up and beat multiple 2015 teams, including Express Blue and White 2015. In addition played a JV team from Texas, need to know anything else !!


They beat some 1 year older B teams by 1 or 2 goals - big deal. You practice all the time since last year and those B teams are new teams and almost never practice. And several of the kids on the 2016 repeaters should be playing on those older B teams anyway. When they can keep it to under a double digit loss to 2015 Orange we'll be impressed. Get over yourself.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
JD is the owner of Lacrosse Unlimited and coaches his son on this team. He has everything at his finger tips, including equipment, coaches and money ....

Thanks for the revelation but your point is what...not ever team has the same resources and we must make everything equal? Apply the same attention to the state of our economy and gov takeover with IT'S power grab and leave youth lacrosse alone.


wasn't making a statement - was answering an earlier question asking who was JD that was being mentioned in posts


I appreciate your response however quoting the earlier question would be beneficial for conversation purposes. Your answer did include a statement, factually incorrect, but a statement. Access to equipment to a point yes but additional coaches are paid for by parent money. His money is his just like yours and mine is ours. Stay cool out there this weekend if your kid is playing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
thanks for the advice...no need to get bitter. The facts are what they are. 2016 Orange won those games. Did not know the relevance of final scores dictates quality of wins. But I am sure your opinion is worth something, if to no one else but yourself.
Have fun this week-end stay cool !!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Was not attacking, facts are what they are. I am not disputing any additional costs paid by parents.
Enjoy the week-end
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. How dare any Express parents criticize the behavior of any other coaches or parents until they examine the behavior of the 2017 team at the fl$ tournament last Sunday!! Not only were the parents inebriated from too many alcoholic beverages but they were actively taunting and bereating opposing players directly. They were also screaming to take out players "at the knees". What a terrible sportsmanship example and just decency. Do they really destroy the knees of any 12 or 13 year old boy? It was so bad the boys on Express were apologizing to the opposition on the field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2016 orange have played up and beat multiple 2015 teams, including Express Blue and White 2015. In addition played a JV team from Texas, need to know anything else !!


Interesting that 2016 Orange is not playing in JV B at the Maverik tourney this weekend. Lets see what you have to say when the Turtles beat 2016 Orange at the Maverik tournament this weekend? Nice that you are looking ahead at JV B&C but you better be watching what's coming up behind you - you might not like what you see.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. How dare any Express parents criticize the behavior of any other coaches or parents until they examine the behavior of the 2017 team at the fl$ tournament last Sunday!! Not only were the parents inebriated from too many alcoholic beverages but they were actively taunting and bereating opposing players directly. They were also screaming to take out players "at the knees". What a terrible sportsmanship example and just decency. Do they really destroy the knees of any 12 or 13 year old boy? It was so bad the boys on Express were apologizing to the opposition on the field.


Now, now....some things you are saying are true, and parents should reconsider their actions on sidelines and between games.

Other things you mention are not true...

You know the difference, don't embellish

Yes, I was there
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. How dare any Express parents criticize the behavior of any other coaches or parents until they examine the behavior of the 2017 team at the fl$ tournament last Sunday!! Not only were the parents inebriated from too many alcoholic beverages but they were actively taunting and bereating opposing players directly. They were also screaming to take out players "at the knees". What a terrible sportsmanship example and just decency. Do they really destroy the knees of any 12 or 13 year old boy? It was so bad the boys on Express were apologizing to the opposition on the field.



Now, now....some things you are saying are true, and parents should reconsider their actions on sidelines and between games.

Other things you mention are not true...

You know the difference, don't embellish

Yes, I was there


This sounds so crazy - parents at the 2014 level and above hardly say a peep to the refs let alone to players from opposing teams other than "nice game". This must be the year of the apocolypse for everybody to regress to the lowest level of human nature. This used to be a game just for the privileged of society. But at least they respected the game's tradition and the courage of every player to step on the field. Now that its been opened up to every tom, [lacrosse] and harry its come to this. Is this better than it used to be? Hardly. What a shame that this game is being over-run and ruined by houligans who never played.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2016 orange have played up and beat multiple 2015 teams, including Express Blue and White 2015. In addition played a JV team from Texas, need to know anything else !!


Interesting that 2016 Orange is not playing in JV B at the Maverik tourney this weekend. Lets see what you have to say when the Turtles beat 2016 Orange at the Maverik tournament this weekend? Nice that you are looking ahead at JV B&C but you better be watching what's coming up behind you - you might not like what you see.


Delicious
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Not embellishing at all. In fact my comments are quite reserved compared to the reality of the situation. Which part of my post do you think is embellishment exactly?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2016 orange have played up and beat multiple 2015 teams, including Express Blue and White 2015. In addition played a JV team from Texas, need to know anything else !!


Interesting that 2016 Orange is not playing in JV B at the Maverik tourney this weekend. Lets see what you have to say when the Turtles beat 2016 Orange at the Maverik tournament this weekend? Nice that you are looking ahead at JV B&C but you better be watching what's coming up behind you - you might not like what you see.


Delicious


Turtles would win that in a rout - lets hope we see that matchup.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2016 orange have played up and beat multiple 2015 teams, including Express Blue and White 2015. In addition played a JV team from Texas, need to know anything else !!


Interesting that 2016 Orange is not playing in JV B at the Maverik tourney this weekend. Lets see what you have to say when the Turtles beat 2016 Orange at the Maverik tournament this weekend? Nice that you are looking ahead at JV B&C but you better be watching what's coming up behind you - you might not like what you see.


Delicious


Turtles would win that in a rout - lets hope we see that matchup.


Starting attack of turltls is better than 2016 starters but its the rest of the field I'm not so sure about.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Yes, we will see just like the last two times these two teams played. The best will be watching the antics of the three Turtle coaches when the Orange start to run away with it. Tough to teach your kids to be good losers when you can't control yourself in defeat. Good luck to all the boys.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
be careful what you wish for. The Turtles have lost 2 times to this Orange team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Express orange is too well coach they have three games to play before the worry about playoffs. Turtles looked past opponent last week how did that work for them
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2016 orange have played up and beat multiple 2015 teams, including Express Blue and White 2015. In addition played a JV team from Texas, need to know anything else !!


Interesting that 2016 Orange is not playing in JV B at the Maverik tourney this weekend. Lets see what you have to say when the Turtles beat 2016 Orange at the Maverik tournament this weekend? Nice that you are looking ahead at JV B&C but you better be watching what's coming up behind you - you might not like what you see.


Delicious


Turtles would win that in a rout - lets hope we see that matchup.


you must have something better to do, like coach your club team, rather trying to stir the pot here.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Lets see how JD will embarrass himself this weekend in front of his express peers. Should be interesting when they start knocking around his precious turtles.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets see how JD will embarrass himself this weekend in front of his express peers. Should be interesting when they start knocking around his precious turtles.


So why isn't 2016 Orange playing up at Maverik? Even though they've beaten some weak B and C JV teams was it not nearly as comfortable as they thought it might be? A little too rough? Placement says everything.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Enough already! Turtles are 2017 and this thread is 2016. Stick to it! Until the Turtles start winning the 2016 summer brackets then you can mention it. Until then they are just like every other 2017 who try and play up and play well but don't get over the top. So go back to your 2017 thread!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Enough already! Turtles are 2017 and this thread is 2016. Stick to it! Until the Turtles start winning the 2016 summer brackets then you can mention it. Until then they are just like every other 2017 who try and play up and play well but don't get over the top. So go back to your 2017 thread!


Isn't this an Express Thread? just seems like a 2016 thread
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets see how JD will embarrass himself this weekend in front of his express peers. Should be interesting when they start knocking around his precious turtles.


Better yet, let's find out who you are and put a microscope on you. Thanks for insulting my kid who happens to be on that team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Enough already! Turtles are 2017 and this thread is 2016. Stick to it! Until the Turtles start winning the 2016 summer brackets then you can mention it. Until then they are just like every other 2017 who try and play up and play well but don't get over the top. So go back to your 2017 thread!


Um. I believe this is an Express thread, not 2016.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Enough already! Turtles are 2017 and this thread is 2016. Stick to it! Until the Turtles start winning the 2016 summer brackets then you can mention it. Until then they are just like every other 2017 who try and play up and play well but don't get over the top. So go back to your 2017 thread!


Sorry pal this IS an Express thread not a 2016 thread.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Oooops, you are right, I'm all over the place
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
be careful what you wish for. The Turtles have lost 2 times to this Orange team


Pretty sure you are not talking to a Turtle parent about this. I think both sets of parents know there is no animosity between either teams. I know there is none from the Turtle side.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
JD will complain to the refs over and over cause bigger stronger kids will be running them over. I believe 9th Grade in high school rules?? They are a VERY skilled team, but not sure they can take on the Size factor.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
nobody is knocking that team around. btw how about asking the kids who play on the barracudas and they will tell you that they have alot of friends on the turtles and likewise with the turtle kids. these kids have been playing together since like second or third grade so for an adult to suggest that crap is stupid. and the parents on both sides respect each other too much so everyone should know that its an outsider writing this garbage. probably 91 or a disgruntled parent upset that his kid isnt on one of these elite teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
nobody is knocking that team around. btw how about asking the kids who play on the barracudas and they will tell you that they have alot of friends on the turtles and likewise with the turtle kids. these kids have been playing together since like second or third grade so for an adult to suggest that crap is stupid. and the parents on both sides respect each other too much so everyone should know that its an outsider writing this garbage. probably 91 or a disgruntled parent upset that his kid isnt on one of these elite teams.


Why would barracuda parents "respect" (which is a very overused term by barracudas players that talk as much trash as anybody) turtle parents who berate opposing players from the sidelines? By "respecting" that type of behavior it says a lot about the character of the Cubas. Self important and pretentious.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Hello- I am a lacrosse parent, and have many friends on all of the teams mentioned. You may wish to consider that ALL of the prior posts are amazingly childish and dysfunctional. Keep it rockin', however. It's a shame that your kids will probably grow up in the same direction as those involved here. as far as being "ELITE" goes, man, paying for a great uniform can't get you that title, ever.
Teach yor children well.....................
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Why bring 91 into your amusing foray? You folks do just fine destroying your relations "in-house"! Top Flight, all the way!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
A quick review of brackets at the Maverick Shootout shows many teams playing at least 1 year up at this tournament. I think this is an indication that the team talent pool is low. What sense does it make to enter a tournament that is considered to have lower quality teams and then play in an older age group. It seems that the only reason would be to feed the ego's of these coaches,teams and organizations.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A quick review of brackets at the Maverick Shootout shows many teams playing at least 1 year up at this tournament. I think this is an indication that the team talent pool is low. What sense does it make to enter a tournament that is considered to have lower quality teams and then play in an older age group. It seems that the only reason would be to feed the ego's of these coaches,teams and organizations.


Not sure I follow this logic. If the talent pool is poor why not play up and try to win an older bracket much like orange 2016 did at forsberg against some really terrible JV B and C teams and then boast about it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
nobody is knocking that team around. btw how about asking the kids who play on the barracudas and they will tell you that they have alot of friends on the turtles and likewise with the turtle kids. these kids have been playing together since like second or third grade so for an adult to suggest that crap is stupid. and the parents on both sides respect each other too much so everyone should know that its an outsider writing this garbage. probably 91 or a disgruntled parent upset that his kid isnt on one of these elite teams.

Nice post, you forgot to sign "OYL"

Why would barracuda parents "respect" (which is a very overused term by barracudas players that talk as much trash as anybody) turtle parents who berate opposing players from the sidelines? By "respecting" that type of behavior it says a lot about the character of the Cubas. Self important and pretentious.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Ok I will spell it out. Stop avoiding the tournaments with the better teams !!!!... Just to "win" a tournament and boast about how you beat as you said older " less talented teams". Your logic is hard to follow !!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok I will spell it out. Stop avoiding the tournaments with the better teams !!!!... Just to "win" a tournament and boast about how you beat as you said older " less talented teams". Your logic is hard to follow !!!!


I don't think we'll see 2016 orange play up anymore for the rest of the summer because even though they won by the skin of their teeth at forsberg they realized that beating bad teams only a year older (same age for many orange) was a lot harder than they thought it would be and exposed some size and toughness matchup issues. Too tough of a road for the whole summer to get anymore pictures on the website and an injury risk too. If I'm wrong why aren't they playing up in a weak pool of talent at Maverik tourney?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
YOUR ALL NUTS.................this is worse than girls lacrosse............your all a bunch of cackling yentas............
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
You people are truly pathetic. These are children that you continue to bash every day. You do nothing but criticize every aspect of these children and their teams. The tournaments they play, the divisions they play in, their ages, what is posted on the team’s website. Why do you care so much? Why are you so obsessed with these boys? These boys are no different than your own. They just play on a different team. Who knows they may be teammates someday. It’s that simple. Stop making something out of nothing. Try being thankful you have been blessed with children who are healthy enough to even play lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
nobody is knocking that team around. btw how about asking the kids who play on the barracudas and they will tell you that they have alot of friends on the turtles and likewise with the turtle kids. these kids have been playing together since like second or third grade so for an adult to suggest that crap is stupid. and the parents on both sides respect each other too much so everyone should know that its an outsider writing this garbage. probably 91 or a disgruntled parent upset that his kid isnt on one of these elite teams.


Why would barracuda parents "respect" (which is a very overused term by barracudas players that talk as much trash as anybody) turtle parents who berate opposing players from the sidelines? By "respecting" that type of behavior it says a lot about the character of the Cubas. Self important and pretentious.


Lay off the bath salts! Never heard Turtle parent berate opposing teams kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. How dare any Express parents criticize the behavior of any other coaches or parents until they examine the behavior of the 2017 team at the fl$ tournament last Sunday!! Not only were the parents inebriated from too many alcoholic beverages but they were actively taunting and bereating opposing players directly. They were also screaming to take out players "at the knees". What a terrible sportsmanship example and just decency. Do they really destroy the knees of any 12 or 13 year old boy? It was so bad the boys on Express were apologizing to the opposition on the field.



Now, now....some things you are saying are true, and parents should reconsider their actions on sidelines and between games.

Other things you mention are not true...

You know the difference, don't embellish

Yes, I was there


This sounds so crazy - parents at the 2014 level and above hardly say a peep to the refs let alone to players from opposing teams other than "nice game". This must be the year of the apocolypse for everybody to regress to the lowest level of human nature. This used to be a game just for the privileged of society. But at least they respected the game's tradition and the courage of every player to step on the field. Now that its been opened up to every tom, [lacrosse] and harry its come to this. Is this better than it used to be? Hardly. What a shame that this game is being over-run and ruined by houligans who never played.


This says it all. It seems to be much calmer the older the boys get - I think both the boys and the parents mature. Until then, I guess the environment is toxic as everybody wants to see their kid climb over another on their way Memorial Day NCAA Championship Weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Interesting....... So, maybe these folks have "mellowed". Possibly they've lived a bit longer, or had to listen the "blabber-mouth" parents, and are just happy to be fieldside for a day, or weekend. Or, could it be that they've seen those "mega-success" kids from yesteryear fall by the wayside? Maybe they are just raised by more "sound" parenting themselves.
I am sorry to preach (not really), but those crazies may not see it until they've been witness to bigger things in life. To spend all of these occasions yelling at officials, bickering with opponents,or claiming to know better than the coaching staff. If it comes to the point that you are considering moving the family, or are asked to leave the sideline by an official, then a "reality check" may be in order. it will probably hurt too badly when the natural athletes surface, and readily do what you've wasted tens of thousands upon training for (and often a marriage, or any peace with the siblings of the Christ child).
Give peace a chance. Watch them with their helmets off, as well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Solid- sensible. Watch them as intently with their gear off.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
So now that Maverik Shootout is over and the wonderful Turtles had the opportunity to play Express 2016 Orange, why didn't they?
It is more than apparent that sharing a championship is worth more to JD than earning one. So now hopefully, all those who feel the need to challenge the 2016 Orange will either step up to the plate and do so or just keep your mouths shut. The players on 2016 were not happy they shared the title. They were on the sidelins for the Turtle/Outlaw game and were looking forward to playing either. Ultimately, these players were deprived another game, but the Turtles saved face. Great job JD you should be proud !!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So now that Maverik Shootout is over and the wonderful Turtles had the opportunity to play Express 2016 Orange, why didn't they?
It is more than apparent that sharing a championship is worth more to JD than earning one. So now hopefully, all those who feel the need to challenge the 2016 Orange will either step up to the plate and do so or just keep your mouths shut. The players on 2016 were not happy they shared the title. They were on the sidelins for the Turtle/Outlaw game and were looking forward to playing either. Ultimately, these players were deprived another game, but the Turtles saved face. Great job JD you should be proud !!


It wasn't the turtles that backed out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So now that Maverik Shootout is over and the wonderful Turtles had the opportunity to play Express 2016 Orange, why didn't they?
It is more than apparent that sharing a championship is worth more to JD than earning one. So now hopefully, all those who feel the need to challenge the 2016 Orange will either step up to the plate and do so or just keep your mouths shut. The players on 2016 were not happy they shared the title. They were on the sidelins for the Turtle/Outlaw game and were looking forward to playing either. Ultimately, these players were deprived another game, but the Turtles saved face. Great job JD you should be proud !!


If you are in fact a Cuba parent, you need to check with your coach aka Director of the Express to get the real answer. The fact you ran to this board to state this makes you a total loser! Sad.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So now that Maverik Shootout is over and the wonderful Turtles had the opportunity to play Express 2016 Orange, why didn't they?
It is more than apparent that sharing a championship is worth more to JD than earning one. So now hopefully, all those who feel the need to challenge the 2016 Orange will either step up to the plate and do so or just keep your mouths shut. The players on 2016 were not happy they shared the title. They were on the sidelins for the Turtle/Outlaw game and were looking forward to playing either. Ultimately, these players were deprived another game, but the Turtles saved face. Great job JD you should be proud !!


It wasn't the turtles that backed out.
Not true joe d chased the express coach and begged not to play. Your turtles could not lose two weekends in a row it would not be good. The orange team was drooling watching you struggle and was set to beat you once and for all. Do not come to anymore tournaments if you can't take the hear
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So now that Maverik Shootout is over and the wonderful Turtles had the opportunity to play Express 2016 Orange, why didn't they?
It is more than apparent that sharing a championship is worth more to JD than earning one. So now hopefully, all those who feel the need to challenge the 2016 Orange will either step up to the plate and do so or just keep your mouths shut. The players on 2016 were not happy they shared the title. They were on the sidelins for the Turtle/Outlaw game and were looking forward to playing either. Ultimately, these players were deprived another game, but the Turtles saved face. Great job JD you should be proud !!


If you are in fact a Cuba parent, you need to check with your coach aka Director of the Express to get the real answer. The fact you ran to this board to state this makes you a total loser! Sad.


Both egos were afraid to lose. What a joke and very sad for the kids to work that hard to make it to that point and not be able to see it through. In the best interest of who? The paying customer? Certainly not the kids. Hopefully they get to play eachother again.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
No more a loser than JD and the entire Turtle group running scraed. Put your heads back in your shells. This orange team was ready to go. As for the loser comment thanks. Enjoy your ride ducking the best. What are you and JD going to do in high school ball...tell your opponent lets call it a tie
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
2016 orange has beat the turtles twice bad . Go back to your own age bracket if you dont want to play all the games. This was a disgrace and the turtles should be ashamed. If you wanted a game you should have spoke up. Orange players and parents spoke up and they were upset we didn't bring our kids to help your image we do not like you
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Seems like the Tri-state tournament in New Jersey has lost a lot of its luster. Tourney's such as 3D fl$ and the U-15 in Florida have stolen alot of Tri-state's thunder and deminished its importance. Yes, I know they don't overlap dates but many teams that can't travel to the east coast more than once are bypassing tri-state and trying some new tournaments. Why does Express hang onto Tri-state like its still such a big deal? Tri-state seems to be a legacy from a bygone era. Time to move on and try something different?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
The sad part is the Express Orange 2016 parents were not consulted. The Orange was ready to play and willing to go out on the field and "earn" the championship. If the Turtles didn't want to play they should have forfeited. Outlaws had the Turtles beat until the the Turtles started flopping to gain the man advantage. If you can't play with the big boys stay in your own age bracket and take up soccer where diving and fainting are part of the game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The sad part is the Express Orange 2016 parents were not consulted. The Orange was ready to play and willing to go out on the field and "earn" the championship. If the Turtles didn't want to play they should have forfeited. Outlaws had the Turtles beat until the the Turtles started flopping to gain the man advantage. If you can't play with the big boys stay in your own age bracket and take up soccer where diving and fainting are part of the game.


The tournament official should disqualify both teams and give the championship to the Outlaws and the other Semifinal team. At least both those teams were ready to play if they made it through. Express should be ashamed of themselves if they put up a "championship" picture on the website of this.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
MC made one of the classiest moves for his club. The same move that many express teams have made over the years. If the cudas parents are so upset, take the win, its all yours. Make sure to complain to MC real good about some BS tournament game. Then when your kid doesn't make Jake Reed or UA team just remember the day you made such a big deal over a game.. stay focused!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Well said, the boys wanted to play, but they are just boys. over the next few years many of these talented kids will either be teammates or gog head to head against each other. There will be plenty of opportunities for the parents to beat their chests about winning tournaments
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Turtle outlaws was a very exiting game.
Bottom line both very good

I think 6-5
all goals except one man up
turtles man up 11 times
outlaws 1 time
better orange does not play them they would win
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -

2 years ago my sons team played the orange team in the finals of LI Laxfest. What is the big deal about playing this game?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I think the big deal is the Orange boys wanted to play for the championship out right. Alot of trash talking has been taking place on this site as well as thru parents ( as ridiculous as it sounds ). The boys were disapponted with the reasoning of not having 2 Express teams play for a championship when this Orange team played 2 Express teams in the semis and championship at the Forsberg Tourn. My son who is on the Orange 2016 team voiced this to me. I cant explain the logic behind it to him. Just explained there are bigger things to worry about and enjoy playing whenever and against whoever he does
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtle outlaws was a very exiting game.
Bottom line both very good

I think 6-5
all goals except one man up
turtles man up 11 times
outlaws 1 time
better orange does not play them they would win


Great stats. Goes to show the difference in the quality of the player and coaching between teams. Outlaws man up once shows how clean play and finesse wins the day. Players and coaches mouthing off to officials lose games.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MC made one of the classiest moves for his club. The same move that many express teams have made over the years. If the cudas parents are so upset, take the win, its all yours. Make sure to complain to MC real good about some BS tournament game. Then when your kid doesn't make Jake Reed or UA team just remember the day you made such a big deal over a game.. stay focused!


That's a crock of you know what - "class" my !##. What is JD creating over there - a bunch of primadonas with such fragile egos (shells) that at the slightest setback will implode? They'll produce a bunch of kids with egos that will be a nightmare to handle for any high school or college coach when JD hands them off. When you sign up to play up, you accept the probability are you are not going to win the championshiup - you do it for other reasons. Losing is ok, especially when playing up with good lessons to be learned. Are these kids so fragile that they can't handle a loss? Rather was the other coach concerned about the probable meltdown, temper tantrum and histrionics of JD in a losing battle that would embarass everybody involved? They need to get over themselves.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think the big deal is the Orange boys wanted to play for the championship out right. Alot of trash talking has been taking place on this site as well as thru parents ( as ridiculous as it sounds ). The boys were disapponted with the reasoning of not having 2 Express teams play for a championship when this Orange team played 2 Express teams in the semis and championship at the Forsberg Tourn. My son who is on the Orange 2016 team voiced this to me. I cant explain the logic behind it to him. Just explained there are bigger things to worry about and enjoy playing whenever and against whoever he does


Exactly, why was it ok for the Orange to embarass another Express JV C team in the finals at Forsberg but not ok to let the kids play here? I think MC thought it would have been a huge, embarassing blowout handed to the Turtles that JD and the turtles would not be able to handle. There is alot of tension and animosity between the these two sides going back several years - about control, independence, branding, money etc.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MC made one of the classiest moves for his club. The same move that many express teams have made over the years. If the cudas parents are so upset, take the win, its all yours. Make sure to complain to MC real good about some BS tournament game. Then when your kid doesn't make Jake Reed or UA team just remember the day you made such a big deal over a game.. stay focused!


That's a crock of you know what - "class" my !##. What is JD creating over there - a bunch of primadonas with such fragile egos (shells) that at the slightest setback will implode? They'll produce a bunch of kids with egos that will be a nightmare to handle for any high school or college coach when JD hands them off. When you sign up to play up, you accept the probability are you are not going to win the championshiup - you do it for other reasons. Losing is ok, especially when playing up with good lessons to be learned. Are these kids so fragile that they can't handle a loss? Rather was the other coach concerned about the probable meltdown, temper tantrum and histrionics of JD in a losing battle that would embarass everybody involved? They need to get over themselves.


You need to get a life. I say this with complete concern knocking 12/13 year old kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
An Orange parent told me that MC thought taking the turtles to the woodshed would be just a a bad way to end the tournament - no win for the Orange - they were supposed to win big and if they did, big deal - you beat a younger team. However, if they didn't win big or even loss, that would also not be good. No win situation.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MC made one of the classiest moves for his club. The same move that many express teams have made over the years. If the cudas parents are so upset, take the win, its all yours. Make sure to complain to MC real good about some BS tournament game. Then when your kid doesn't make Jake Reed or UA team just remember the day you made such a big deal over a game.. stay focused!


That's a crock of you know what - "class" my !##. What is JD creating over there - a bunch of primadonas with such fragile egos (shells) that at the slightest setback will implode? They'll produce a bunch of kids with egos that will be a nightmare to handle for any high school or college coach when JD hands them off. When you sign up to play up, you accept the probability are you are not going to win the championshiup - you do it for other reasons. Losing is ok, especially when playing up with good lessons to be learned. Are these kids so fragile that they can't handle a loss? Rather was the other coach concerned about the probable meltdown, temper tantrum and histrionics of JD in a losing battle that would embarass everybody involved? They need to get over themselves.


Right off the Turtles own website:

2016 Orange and 2017 Turtles Share the Championship of Maverik Big Time 9th grade A Division

The 2016 Express Orange and 2017 Express Turtles share the title of champions of the Big Time Shootout Sponsored by Maverik in Mitchell field this Sunday.
Both Express teams went undefeated in the 9th grade A division.

Express Turtles were the only 8th grade team to compete here.

Note: right above this is the following quote on the website: Looking for a game with the Turtles? Use the contact link to email us anytime! We don't duck anyone.

Holy cow can you say EGO!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MC made one of the classiest moves for his club. The same move that many express teams have made over the years. If the cudas parents are so upset, take the win, its all yours. Make sure to complain to MC real good about some BS tournament game. Then when your kid doesn't make Jake Reed or UA team just remember the day you made such a big deal over a game.. stay focused!


That's a crock of you know what - "class" my !##. What is JD creating over there - a bunch of primadonas with such fragile egos (shells) that at the slightest setback will implode? They'll produce a bunch of kids with egos that will be a nightmare to handle for any high school or college coach when JD hands them off. When you sign up to play up, you accept the probability are you are not going to win the championshiup - you do it for other reasons. Losing is ok, especially when playing up with good lessons to be learned. Are these kids so fragile that they can't handle a loss? Rather was the other coach concerned about the probable meltdown, temper tantrum and histrionics of JD in a losing battle that would embarass everybody involved? They need to get over themselves.


Right off the Turtles own website:

2016 Orange and 2017 Turtles Share the Championship of Maverik Big Time 9th grade A Division

The 2016 Express Orange and 2017 Express Turtles share the title of champions of the Big Time Shootout Sponsored by Maverik in Mitchell field this Sunday.
Both Express teams went undefeated in the 9th grade A division.

Express Turtles were the only 8th grade team to compete here.

Note: right above this is the following quote on the website: Looking for a game with the Turtles? Use the contact link to email us anytime! We don't duck anyone.

Holy cow can you say EGO!!!


We don't duck anyone unless they call themselve Express Orange. I have no doubt that the turtles would have no problem beating up on the 2018 Express Orange if a championship was on the line. What a joke of a program.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MC made one of the classiest moves for his club. The same move that many express teams have made over the years. If the cudas parents are so upset, take the win, its all yours. Make sure to complain to MC real good about some BS tournament game. Then when your kid doesn't make Jake Reed or UA team just remember the day you made such a big deal over a game.. stay focused!


That's a crock of you know what - "class" my !##. What is JD creating over there - a bunch of primadonas with such fragile egos (shells) that at the slightest setback will implode? They'll produce a bunch of kids with egos that will be a nightmare to handle for any high school or college coach when JD hands them off. When you sign up to play up, you accept the probability are you are not going to win the championshiup - you do it for other reasons. Losing is ok, especially when playing up with good lessons to be learned. Are these kids so fragile that they can't handle a loss? Rather was the other coach concerned about the probable meltdown, temper tantrum and histrionics of JD in a losing battle that would embarass everybody involved? They need to get over themselves.


You need to get a life. I say this with complete concern knocking 12/13 year old kids.


Not knocking the kids, knocking the not well adjsusted egos that are in charge of molding these kids into well adjusted athletes. If you have no horse in this race, get back to work.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
It's simply not a race if you pack it in to call it a TIE. I remember doing that at 6 yrs old! Not a bold move.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Go Crabs!!! Can't wait to see this act in Baltimore.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Yes, battle of the ages. But what ages are you? Ha ha. Looking forward to taking some hardware home and the winner's pic on our website.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Wait for it..wait for it..like clockwork some yahoo is about to chime in with some kum-by-ah overused stuff about how much they "respect" the Crabs. Lets just settle it on the field. This isn't the U.N. and we don't need to like eachother and still have a great rivalry. Go Crabs!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
We think we're better than you and vice versa. Only one way to figure it out. Lets get it on!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MC made one of the classiest moves for his club. The same move that many express teams have made over the years. If the cudas parents are so upset, take the win, its all yours. Make sure to complain to MC real good about some BS tournament game. Then when your kid doesn't make Jake Reed or UA team just remember the day you made such a big deal over a game.. stay focused!


That's a crock of you know what - "class" my !##. What is JD creating over there - a bunch of primadonas with such fragile egos (shells) that at the slightest setback will implode? They'll produce a bunch of kids with egos that will be a nightmare to handle for any high school or college coach when JD hands them off. When you sign up to play up, you accept the probability are you are not going to win the championshiup - you do it for other reasons. Losing is ok, especially when playing up with good lessons to be learned. Are these kids so fragile that they can't handle a loss? Rather was the other coach concerned about the probable meltdown, temper tantrum and histrionics of JD in a losing battle that would embarass everybody involved? They need to get over themselves.


Right off the Turtles own website:

2016 Orange and 2017 Turtles Share the Championship of Maverik Big Time 9th grade A Division

The 2016 Express Orange and 2017 Express Turtles share the title of champions of the Big Time Shootout Sponsored by Maverik in Mitchell field this Sunday.
Both Express teams went undefeated in the 9th grade A division.

Express Turtles were the only 8th grade team to compete here.

Note: right above this is the following quote on the website: Looking for a game with the Turtles? Use the contact link to email us anytime! We don't duck anyone.

Holy cow can you say EGO!!!


Did you contact them or are you all anonymous mouth?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MC made one of the classiest moves for his club. The same move that many express teams have made over the years. If the cudas parents are so upset, take the win, its all yours. Make sure to complain to MC real good about some BS tournament game. Then when your kid doesn't make Jake Reed or UA team just remember the day you made such a big deal over a game.. stay focused!


That's a crock of you know what - "class" my !##. What is JD creating over there - a bunch of primadonas with such fragile egos (shells) that at the slightest setback will implode? They'll produce a bunch of kids with egos that will be a nightmare to handle for any high school or college coach when JD hands them off. When you sign up to play up, you accept the probability are you are not going to win the championshiup - you do it for other reasons. Losing is ok, especially when playing up with good lessons to be learned. Are these kids so fragile that they can't handle a loss? Rather was the other coach concerned about the probable meltdown, temper tantrum and histrionics of JD in a losing battle that would embarass everybody involved? They need to get over themselves.


Right off the Turtles own website:

2016 Orange and 2017 Turtles Share the Championship of Maverik Big Time 9th grade A Division

The 2016 Express Orange and 2017 Express Turtles share the title of champions of the Big Time Shootout Sponsored by Maverik in Mitchell field this Sunday.
Both Express teams went undefeated in the 9th grade A division.

Express Turtles were the only 8th grade team to compete here.

Note: right above this is the following quote on the website: Looking for a game with the Turtles? Use the contact link to email us anytime! We don't duck anyone.

Holy cow can you say EGO!!!


We don't duck anyone unless they call themselve Express Orange. I have no doubt that the turtles would have no problem beating up on the 2018 Express Orange if a championship was on the line. What a joke of a program.


Wow thread went quiet. Guess an email went out telling the clownfish parents to get back into their coral patch.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
"Still worthy of being a 'Baird Man.'" What the (heck) is that? What is your motto here? Well, gentlemen, when the (stuff) hits the fan some guys run and some guys stay. Here's Charlie facing the fire; and there's George hidin' in big Daddy's pocket. As I came in here, I heard those words, "cradle of leadership." Well, when the bow breaks, the cradle will fall. And it has fallen here; it has fallen. Makers of men; creators of leaders; be careful what kind of leaders you're producin' here.

- Al Pacino, Scent of a Woman
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Still worthy of being a 'Baird Man.'" What the (heck) is that? What is your motto here? Well, gentlemen, when the (stuff) hits the fan some guys run and some guys stay. Here's Charlie facing the fire; and there's George hidin' in big Daddy's pocket. As I came in here, I heard those words, "cradle of leadership." Well, when the bow breaks, the cradle will fall. And it has fallen here; it has fallen. Makers of men; creators of leaders; be careful what kind of leaders you're producin' here.

- Al Pacino, Scent of a Woman
Whoo-ah
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Agreed. JD is a hypocrite. Ask JD about playing 2017 Orange for a championship in Tri-State. When asked if both teams should be co-champs instead of playing each other in the championship JD's quote " I come to tournaments to win". Then after winning he complained about penalties, roughness etc. I guess his motto now is "can we take a pic for the website" so I can pat myself on the back !!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agreed. JD is a hypocrite. Ask JD about playing 2017 Orange for a championship in Tri-State. When asked if both teams should be co-champs instead of playing each other in the championship JD's quote " I come to tournaments to win". Then after winning he complained about penalties, roughness etc. I guess his motto now is "can we take a pic for the website" so I can pat myself on the back !!!!!!


he's a pompas jerk! Had my son play for him on a non-turtles team and we got screwed at every turn! Shortened practices, him not showing up, not at tournaments, etc... Can anyone say Napoleon Complex?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Which LI Express teams are going down to the Young Guns Tournament?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Prediction: Some of the Turtles will take a few of the 24 available roster positions (bumping some 2016 Orange kids) one year ahead of schedule for the U-15 championship next year. Watch out from below.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Which LI Express teams are going down to the Young Guns Tournament?

2016 Orange/barracudas and 2017 Turtles
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Prediction: Some of the Turtles will take a few of the 24 available roster positions (bumping some 2016 Orange kids) one year ahead of schedule for the U-15 championship next year. Watch out from below.


fl$ did this last year - pulled some kids up early and wound up winning it. Turtles are an ambitious and impatient bunch so it is believable. Some may have to because if they wait their turn they might be too old. Time will tell.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Wait, why would anybody accept THAT? Winning solidly is what you play for, and practice to do. Please don't think that many folks swallowed that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Only if JD cries and begs !!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Why isn't that happening this year with 2016 and 2015?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes, we will see just like the last two times these two teams played. The best will be watching the antics of the three Turtle coaches when the Orange start to run away with it. Tough to teach your kids to be good losers when you can't control yourself in defeat. Good luck to all the boys.

"show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser"
Vince Lombardi
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Gap is much bigger than between Turtles and 2016. Nobody on 2016 is better than what 2015 already has. There are some Turtles that are definately better than some current 2016s.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Gap is much bigger than between Turtles and 2016. Nobody on 2016 is better than what 2015 already has. There are some Turtles that are definately better than some current 2016s.


There are also plenty of 2017 (non Turtle players) that are better than 2016 players. Just as, there are plenty of 2018 players that are better than 2017. Point is , you could go on forever about this. One more thing, **NEWSFLASH** there are many 2017 kids for many clubs that are BETTER than several of the Turtle players. Don't sweat the fancy uniform, they are all young lacrosse players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Gap is much bigger than between Turtles and 2016. Nobody on 2016 is better than what 2015 already has. There are some Turtles that are definitely better than some current 2016s.


If this is true, why did the Turtles duck out of playing Orange 2016 for the championship. Obviously, the turtles feel the gap is significant enough to not want to play them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Prediction: Some of the Turtles will take a few of the 24 available roster positions (bumping some 2016 Orange kids) one year ahead of schedule for the U-15 championship next year. Watch out from below.


last year teams had open spots because the birthday cut off was 1/1 now that USLacrosse has changed the dates back to 8/31 you will have fewer spots open if any, if the old birth date rule was still in place my sons team would have lost 5 players but now all are OK -
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think the big deal is the Orange boys wanted to play for the championship out right. Alot of trash talking has been taking place on this site as well as thru parents ( as ridiculous as it sounds ). The boys were disapponted with the reasoning of not having 2 Express teams play for a championship when this Orange team played 2 Express teams in the semis and championship at the Forsberg Tourn. My son who is on the Orange 2016 team voiced this to me. I cant explain the logic behind it to him. Just explained there are bigger things to worry about and enjoy playing whenever and against whoever he does


Exactly, why was it ok for the Orange to embarass another Express JV C team in the finals at Forsberg but not ok to let the kids play here? I think MC thought it would have been a huge, embarassing blowout handed to the Turtles that JD and the turtles would not be able to handle. There is alot of tension and animosity between the these two sides going back several years - about control, independence, branding, money etc.


From Express newsletter sent out today -

2016 Express Orange AND 2017 Express Turtles
2012 Maverick Shootout Co-CHAMPIONS!

Congrats to our 2016 Express Orange & 2017 Express Turtles share the title of champions of the Maverick Big Time Shootout this Sunday. Both Express teams went undefeated in the 9th grade A division! Awesome job guys!



2020 Express Orange
2012 Maverick Shootout CHAMPIONS!

The 2020 Orange just keeps on rolling as the take the crown of another tournament! Their opponent was our very talented 2020 Express Blue! Nothing better than ALL EXPRESS FINAL! Way to get it done boys!

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Woo Hoo. 2020 Express Orange won a division with 3/4th grade town teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
They played the 2020 all express final? Why did JD and MC not allow the other all express final. What did the other coach say?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
too bad they cant beat 91 crush-- its pathetic that they have to play against each orange vs blue what's the point in playing
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
As most know the financial connection between MC and JD goes alot deeper than they want anyone to know. Turtles use the Express brand and JD uses Express for business. They wont play each other in a tournament final made up of below average teams yet MC allows Express teams to play each other all the time. Both are hypocrites. "Playing up" just gives the team a built in excuse if they lose.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
It's all about business relationship with Express and Turtles. Most teams in Express do not matter. Barracudas and Turtles are the only teams that matter. Get used to it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's all about business relationship with Express and Turtles. Most teams in Express do not matter. Barracudas and Turtles are the only teams that matter. Get used to it.


What a very disrespectful comment towards a bunch of kids/parents who play for the other Express teams. Shame on you tough guy. Our boys both play for an Express team that is Blue. We are very happy, our nephew had a similar Express situation (not being on an "A" team), he is now a starter at a Ivy league University. Best wishes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
They can do whatever they want but this treatment of some teams with the golden touch and other teams within the same family like garbage is just really bad business. Who would treat kids within their own family so unevenly? The program has gotten way too big and has gotten away from them. They should just consolidate down to one Orange team per grade and charge double. Anybody want to start up a competing program there would be tons of great players running as fast as they can away from the Express. Word of warning - if your kid is not on an Orange team, run as fast as you can to a better situation for your kid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
too bad they cant beat 91 crush-- its pathetic that they have to play against each orange vs blue what's the point in playing


Because it makes them feel better beating B teams and town teams than losing to legitimate A teams. Can't hide forever.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Enough already, Crush yeah you are a very strong team, but you have to admit the 4th grade Express orange is a strong team as well.

DD say they have a strong 4th grade team, but will not play "crush" if they have the (older boys who play DD 5th playing) wonder what they know.

Who are the other A teams in 4th?

In looking at the schedule for Big Time. Express played other 2020 teams in a rising 5th grade bracket. Sure they played towns but West Islip puts a program togtehr like a travel team you all know that. Long Beach I cant comment on - only to say Express Blue played the other travels in that bracket and came out ahead so maybe for this day the tourny for this bracket did match them up fairly.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
serious question at the 2017 year of graduation what are the express teams in order of best to let's say not best, I assume from what I have read turtles are best then who
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They can do whatever they want but this treatment of some teams with the golden touch and other teams within the same family like garbage is just really bad business. Who would treat kids within their own family so unevenly? The program has gotten way too big and has gotten away from them. They should just consolidate down to one Orange team per grade and charge double. Anybody want to start up a competing program there would be tons of great players running as fast as they can away from the Express. Word of warning - if your kid is not on an Orange team, run as fast as you can to a better situation for your kid.


I'm not so sure this is great advice. My kid got moved from an Orange to a Blue. Yes, it has been a challenge to his self esteem but isn't that a good life lesson too? He's making the best of it and enjoys being one of the better players on a pretty good team. Quite frankly he enjoys playing for his new coach much better than the Orange coach too. Sometimes it seems harder on the parents than the kid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
serious question at the 2017 year of graduation what are the express teams in order of best to let's say not best, I assume from what I have read turtles are best then who


Turtles are obviously at the top of the heap

You could make the argument for either McManus or Korwans team in the second slot

There are two other teams at the age group and i have no idea how to judge either of them since they have changed 10 times since tryouts.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Will Manny was on the express Blue team a few years ago. The best players will get noticed when it counts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
My son is on 2015 express orange it is very civil the boys have fun whether they win or lose I don't see the parents getting upset either at a loss, I am so glad my son didn't start club Lacrosse until High School, it sounds like a nightmare and a complete waste of time,
It's a huge commitment for parents and kids and my son is no worse off being fairly new to Lacrosse for his age (15) than the other boys as long as his grades stay high and he plays well he will be noticed, don't know what the youth orange express. Charges but the older level is $1800 just for summer iand we get only two tournaments and one 3 day shoot out, I can't imagine spending this kind of money on a grade schooler
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Does a couple of weeks or months really matter .what if a kid started kindergarten in Massachusettes or some other state where the cut off for kindergarten is August 31st but than moves to long island several years later surely this doesnt mean the kid belongs in the grade above.
Here in New [lacrosse] the cut off is December 1st my son who was born November 30th only because he was born five days early waited to start kindergarten until age five does this also mean he is in the wrong grade,?
As long as the kids are within 14 months or so apart I really don't see a big deal. And sometimes the younger is more skilled and bigger.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Yea....OK....I'm sure thats a true statement !!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
There were no 3rd grade teams and Express absolutely destroyed every team that they played, "Can't Wait" for the next time they play Team 91...which is really a team comprised of 4th graders and a kids that should be in 5th grade already....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Can't wait to play 91 Orange Crush? The last time they met the score was i believe 15-1. Be careful what you wish for. 2020 express Orange is a really good team. Can't take that away from them but the 91 Orange Crush are a whole different animal.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does a couple of weeks or months really matter .what if a kid started kindergarten in Massachusettes or some other state where the cut off for kindergarten is August 31st but than moves to long island several years later surely this doesnt mean the kid belongs in the grade above.
Here in New [lacrosse] the cut off is December 1st my son who was born November 30th only because he was born five days early waited to start kindergarten until age five does this also mean he is in the wrong grade,?
As long as the kids are within 14 months or so apart I really don't see a big deal. And sometimes the younger is more skilled and bigger.


My son is born in early October and in is the correct grade for his age (he was 4 for the first month or so of kindergarten). I found that many parents of boys particularly kept back their kids born in Sept., Oct., Nov and December. Did this make it difficult for my son in sports? Absolutely. He would be in the younger group if sports were grouped by year of birth, but by grouping by grade with so many "red shirts", he often found it tough to compete. Conversely, my daughter is a January birthday and thus "old" for her great. Did she benefit from that experience? Again, absolutely. I'm not judging people who hold back their late birthday kids, but don't delude yourself. Those kids have an advantage. No doubt about it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Hi-young daughter -- goalie -- interested in the Girls Long island Express Club -- any feedback or insight as to how that orginization is run would be appreciated -- Thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I will make it simple for you, my kid is a 5'11, very fast 10th grader born in october, plays in a big town, put him with the 9th grader'S he is a Stud.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Blah blah blah story of the year 2016 Express
Orange beats 2015 blue and white a few weeks ago
In Forsberg I know at least one player whom is a
[lacrosse] but good athlete on that team whose father
Left him back intentionally to get another redshirt year
Whom used to play on 2015 Express Orange
And I'm so looking forward to hearing what a superstar this kid
Is at St Ants next year.

These are the kind of antics that go on with this
Devil sport, give me a break, turtles are still small
Kids who would play against HS freshman. This is only
One story of many.

Give me a break!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Yes, "can't wait" - 2020 Express Orange is a very different team than last year, improvements all over the place and the last time they played the Organge Crush it wasn't 15-1. Take away your two 11 year olds also and see what happens...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
You people are so sad. Talking about 4th graders lacrosse games. I come on this site for information but most of it is now loser parents placing way too much importance on meaningless youth games. Geez get a life.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Looking for opinions or feedback on the Express Girls Program--anything is appreciated.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Does anyone really know if the "older" boys on crush are 11 yet? Or Do they fall into the new rule of birthdates between Sept and Dec. and were just younger on their (appropriatly moral) 5th grade level.

And the reality of brigning forth this issue while in the younger grades is to show the injustices that come about when they are in HS.

These days the difference of being a stud in Soph year over Jr year is the difference of $$ and schools, so do not come on here to say it doesnt make a difference at younger grades.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
The fact that you are so consumed with the question of whether or not a kid is 11 yet is sad. Get a life my friend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looking for opinions or feedback on the Express Girls Program--anything is appreciated.


Yellow Jackets is the premier program on the island and one of the best in the country. Liberty (Black) is also a strong team and is run by the Manhasset varsity coach who is an arch rival of the Yellow Jackets found who by the way is also a Manhasset alum but now runs the YJs out of Northport.

The Express girls program is pretty weak from what I understand. fl$ probably has a better girls program than Express.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Not consumed on whether a kid is 11... consumed with the morality in reality of the parents whom we will have to deal with for years to come.

As parents this is the pivital age where we try to stear a child to or away from another child as friends. If the parent isnt moral compASS is not sound, cant say I could imagine the child would grow up to be.

So yeah I do want to know who is bending the rules to their liking, because I DONT WANT MY KID AROUND THAT FAMILY!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Top Gun is another good program (rivaling YJ and Lib) especially if your in Suffolk, then Beach Bums, and if younger and need to strengthen her skills ripcurls
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Funny how you bring up the 11 year old thing. I in fact know one of the boys you speak of and as far as the rules for playing U11 that child is born after September 1st. You only question this boys age because of his ability. Most, if not ALL, teams have kids that could be a grade older.
How about the kids that are older and not as good? I don't see you questioning them. My son was born in the end of his year and was not held back. Do I feel he is slightly disadvantaged because if this? Yes. However it is what it is and I teach him to work hard and guess what, he's right there with the OLDER kids.
The way you cry I'm sure the families of older kids will be better off not being associated with a complainer like you. Stop being anonymous on here and speak out loud at a tournament. Strap a set on little man.

Life isn't fair.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
WE CAN PUT THE WHOLE AGE THING TO BED BY JUST HAVING THE CALENDAR DECIDE. IF YOUR SON OR DAUGHTER IS BORN IN JANUARY GREAT IN OCTOBER NOT SO GREAT. FORGET THE GRADUATING YEAR THEN ALL OF THE WHINING WILL STOP. IF LITTLE JOHNNY WAS BORN IN OCTOBER AND WAS HELD BACK BY MOM AND DAD WELL GUESS WHAT HE HAS TO PLAY YOUTH SPORTS WITH KIDS HIS CALENDAR AGE. WHEN THEY REACH MIDDLE SCHOOL THE ADVANTAGE SEEMS TO BE LESS EVIDENT. GOOD LUCK TO ALL THIS SUMMER .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not consumed on whether a kid is 11... consumed with the morality in reality of the parents whom we will have to deal with for years to come.

As parents this is the pivital age where we try to stear a child to or away from another child as friends. If the parent isnt moral compASS is not sound, cant say I could imagine the child would grow up to be.

So yeah I do want to know who is bending the rules to their liking, because I DONT WANT MY KID AROUND THAT FAMILY!!!


Really???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looking for opinions or feedback on the Express Girls Program--anything is appreciated.


Yellow Jackets is the premier program on the island and one of the best in the country. Liberty (Black) is also a strong team and is run by the Manhasset varsity coach who is an arch rival of the Yellow Jackets found who by the way is also a Manhasset alum but now runs the YJs out of Northport.

The Express girls program is pretty weak from what I understand. fl$ probably has a better girls program than Express.


This poster does not really know what they are talking about. There a few Express girls teams that are very good. However, it is just a few. fl$ girls program is extremely weak. The problem with both of these programs (Express and fl$) is that they care about the boys first and the girls are an after thought.

YJ's have been the top program because they were first. However, if you really want info on the teams, go to the girl's threads and do your research. There are a lot of other options for the girls.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
The fact that someone would actually hold their kid back at such a young age for athletic reasons is really what's pathetic, simple solution, just have kids play against other kids their same age, very very simple solution and then this whole argument goes away.

and yes, one of those kids is already 11 as cited by his parent in an earlier post from june, wow, june?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looking for opinions or feedback on the Express Girls Program--anything is appreciated.


Yellow Jackets is the premier program on the island and one of the best in the country. Liberty (Black) is also a strong team and is run by the Manhasset varsity coach who is an arch rival of the Yellow Jackets found who by the way is also a Manhasset alum but now runs the YJs out of Northport.

The Express girls program is pretty weak from what I understand. fl$ probably has a better girls program than Express.


This poster does not really know what they are talking about. There a few Express girls teams that are very good. However, it is just a few. fl$ girls program is extremely weak. The problem with both of these programs (Express and fl$) is that they care about the boys first and the girls are an after thought.

YJ's have been the top program because they were first. However, if you really want info on the teams, go to the girl's threads and do your research. There are a lot of other options for the girls.
The proof is right here on this thread, and in your question. The previous poster is on the mark when they said Express ,91 and fl$ are boys first programs, and all 3 are pretty weak. Much better off at in order Yellow Jackets, Liberty, then top guns.All # are Girls only and much stronger. three of the strongest in the cxountry
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Tristate match ups posted
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looking for opinions or feedback on the Express Girls Program--anything is appreciated.


Yellow Jackets is the premier program on the island and one of the best in the country. Liberty (Black) is also a strong team and is run by the Manhasset varsity coach who is an arch rival of the Yellow Jackets found who by the way is also a Manhasset alum but now runs the YJs out of Northport.

The Express girls program is pretty weak from what I understand. fl$ probably has a better girls program than Express.


This poster does not really know what they are talking about. There a few Express girls teams that are very good. However, it is just a few. fl$ girls program is extremely weak. The problem with both of these programs (Express and fl$) is that they care about the boys first and the girls are an after thought.

YJ's have been the top program because they were first. However, if you really want info on the teams, go to the girl's threads and do your research. There are a lot of other options for the girls.
The proof is right here on this thread, and in your question. The previous poster is on the mark when they said Express ,91 and fl$ are boys first programs, and all 3 are pretty weak. Much better off at in order Yellow Jackets, Liberty, then top guns.All # are Girls only and much stronger. three of the strongest in the cxountry


I'm not sure about your Liberty and TG quote as being three of the strongest in the country. TG is brand new - 2nd year. They are attracting a lot of girls but that does not mean they are a top program. Liberty has historically been good but has lost some luster. As previous poster stated, YJ's are one of the top programs. However there are plenty of other programs on LI (and in the country) that are up an coming and have very strong teams at certain age groups.

The one key I would add is "buyer beware." Just go to the main BOTC forum and read some of the threads and see if you really want that "type" of team for your daughter.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
CageSage - you really should have an Express Boys thread and an Express Girls thread, it would be infinitely easier for everyone to navigate
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CageSage - you really should have an Express Boys thread and an Express Girls thread, it would be infinitely easier for everyone to navigate
Thank you very much for the suggestion. We would welcome your joining as a registered user. Once registered, you can create your own threads to help direct the conversation.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Does anyone know how the Li express 3rd grade team (now rising 4th graders) were this year? Did te team do well in league and tournament play? How o hey ompare to 91 and igloo? How was te coaching? Thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
There ok saw them against jesters 3rd grade at fl$ tournament and they lost in championship .... Although not a fan igloo is by far the best out of this group with 91 taking 2nd ...saw Igloo play 91 at LI lax fest and igloo beat them pretty bad .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Jesters beat 91
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Jesters have never played the 91 orange team. The best 3rd grade team is igloo, who has beaten the 91 orange team 3 xs in the championship game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Write it down today. Jesters will beat Igloo in spring 2013.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
This is a LI Express thread
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Good luck with that one because it is not happening.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know how the Li express 3rd grade team (now rising 4th graders) were this year? Did te team do well in league and tournament play? How o hey ompare to 91 and igloo? How was te coaching? Thanks


You realize you are asking about the merits of a 3rd grade boys lacrosse team, right? I feel like I need to take a shower after reading your post.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Not sure about that although jesters do have some very good players
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
lets hope that the jesters, 91 and igloo all do well when developing the class of 2020, hopefully they will be polished by the time they come to the express in 6th or 7th grade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Wonder where past jesters are now. (Forgot about TB)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know how the Li express 3rd grade team (now rising 4th graders) were this year? Did te team do well in league and tournament play? How o hey ompare to 91 and igloo? How was te coaching? Thanks


You realize you are asking about the merits of a 3rd grade boys lacrosse team, right? I feel like I need to take a shower after reading your post.


Team 91, Li express, igloo, jesters, havoc, fl$ lite all have 3rd grade programs...but you need to shower when someone asks how one of the programs is, and how it's coached? You are a fool...probably have a mediocre son playing for a two-bit program wishing you had started him in a program a little earlier.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Yes you hit it on the head... i need to put my son with yours to hopefully catch up to him because you have him going to Syracuse soon enough dont you? i really have to buy into the Big Name clubs now or my son is doomed in the Lax World...

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know how the Li express 3rd grade team (now rising 4th graders) were this year? Did te team do well in league and tournament play? How o hey ompare to 91 and igloo? How was te coaching? Thanks


You realize you are asking about the merits of a 3rd grade boys lacrosse team, right? I feel like I need to take a shower after reading your post.


Team 91, Li express, igloo, jesters, havoc, fl$ lite all have 3rd grade programs...but you need to shower when someone asks how one of the programs is, and how it's coached? You are a fool...probably have a mediocre son playing for a two-bit program wishing you had started him in a program a little earlier.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know how the Li express 3rd grade team (now rising 4th graders) were this year? Did te team do well in league and tournament play? How o hey ompare to 91 and igloo? How was te coaching? Thanks


You realize you are asking about the merits of a 3rd grade boys lacrosse team, right? I feel like I need to take a shower after reading your post.


Team 91, Li express, igloo, jesters, havoc, fl$ lite all have 3rd grade programs...but you need to shower when someone asks how one of the programs is, and how it's coached? You are a fool...probably have a mediocre son playing for a two-bit program wishing you had started him in a program a little earlier.


The fact that you respond to my post with a personal attack indicates your painfully low level of education. Keep on talking about 8 year old boys, though.

By the way, my son started playing in 3rd grade at a top program. I certainly wasn't talking about him or his team on an Internet message board back then. Pathetic.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know how the Li express 3rd grade team (now rising 4th graders) were this year? Did te team do well in league and tournament play? How o hey ompare to 91 and igloo? How was te coaching? Thanks


You realize you are asking about the merits of a 3rd grade boys lacrosse team, right? I feel like I need to take a shower after reading your post.


Team 91, Li express, igloo, jesters, havoc, fl$ lite all have 3rd grade programs...but you need to shower when someone asks how one of the programs is, and how it's coached? You are a fool...probably have a mediocre son playing for a two-bit program wishing you had started him in a program a little earlier.


The fact that you respond to my post with a personal attack indicates your painfully low level of education. Keep on talking about 8 year old boys, though.

By the way, my son started playing in 3rd grade at a top program. I certainly wasn't talking about him or his team on an Internet message board back then. Pathetic.


When you say your son started playing in 3rd grade at a top program are you speaking to the merits of his 3rd grade team? I need a shower, that's creepy.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know how the Li express 3rd grade team (now rising 4th graders) were this year? Did te team do well in league and tournament play? How o hey ompare to 91 and igloo? How was te coaching? Thanks


You realize you are asking about the merits of a 3rd grade boys lacrosse team, right? I feel like I need to take a shower after reading your post.


Team 91, Li express, igloo, jesters, havoc, fl$ lite all have 3rd grade programs...but you need to shower when someone asks how one of the programs is, and how it's coached? You are a fool...probably have a mediocre son playing for a two-bit program wishing you had started him in a program a little earlier.


The fact that you respond to my post with a personal attack indicates your painfully low level of education. Keep on talking about 8 year old boys, though.

By the way, my son started playing in 3rd grade at a top program. I certainly wasn't talking about him or his team on an Internet message board back then. Pathetic.


When you say your son started playing in 3rd grade at a top program are you speaking to the merits of his 3rd grade team? I need a shower, that's creepy.


No. You opined that he plays for a two-bit program; he does not. I didn't feel the need to brag about his team, nor seek validation from others. You, however, are living vicariously through the life of your 8 year old son. LOL!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know how the Li express 3rd grade team (now rising 4th graders) were this year? Did te team do well in league and tournament play? How o hey ompare to 91 and igloo? How was te coaching? Thanks


You realize you are asking about the merits of a 3rd grade boys lacrosse team, right? I feel like I need to take a shower after reading your post.


Team 91, Li express, igloo, jesters, havoc, fl$ lite all have 3rd grade programs...but you need to shower when someone asks how one of the programs is, and how it's coached? You are a fool...probably have a mediocre son playing for a two-bit program wishing you had started him in a program a little earlier.


The fact that you respond to my post with a personal attack indicates your painfully low level of education. Keep on talking about 8 year old boys, though.

By the way, my son started playing in 3rd grade at a top program. I certainly wasn't talking about him or his team on an Internet message board back then. Pathetic.


When you say your son started playing in 3rd grade at a top program are you speaking to the merits of his 3rd grade team? I need a shower, that's creepy.


Yes you do need a shower, for no other reason than to get dressed and get your day started at 3PM.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I just saw that Express is claiming that 2015 Orange was undefeated for Summer 2012 season. Did they forget about Tri-State and the Dukes HHH Team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
When are tryouts?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When are tryouts?


91 announced ryouts dates a few days ago. It's almost guaranteed that Express will announce their tryouts very soon and they will be the week before 91's. Just like last year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Express orange 2015 beat Dukes , Get it right.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Write it down today. Jesters will beat Igloo in spring 2013.

Oh yeah?!?!
My Dad can take yours anyday!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Team Igloo just announced their tryouts in September, my son wants to tryout for them. They seem like a quality program.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express orange 2015 beat Dukes , Get it right.


Excuse me. Orange 2015 lost to NXT at Tristate in the playoffs. Dukes won the championship. Does this not count?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
If you think a quality team is when you tell your team to fall down so that they can run out the clock! The parents are horrible and the Coaches are babies! Although they are probably the best team on long island this year, other will be finding players so that igloo will not win every tournament next year!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you think a quality team is when you tell your team to fall down so that they can run out the clock! The parents are horrible and the Coaches are babies! Although they are probably the best team on long island this year, other will be finding players so that igloo will not win every tournament next year!


That's team igloo I'm referring too!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Totally understand if your frustrated with loosing to Team Igloo. They are a quality team. But lets not forget that your talking about 9 year old kids. They ARE STILL BABIES. When they get hurt they cry, they fall down. Your comment speaks for itself; and the type of person you are. The kids on Team 91 are good kids, and so are the kids on Team Igloo. Both sets of kids respect each other and that to me was the biggest take away from this entire year. That kids could be more grown up the some of the parents, like yourself who focus on trivial things like this instead of all the good things.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Igloo's coaches are awesome and so are the parents. That's quite an accusation about telling the team to fall down to run out the clock?! Sounds like you'll find any excuse to put down an outstanding lacrosse team. Go team Igloo!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Does LI Express use any Parent Coachs?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I said igloo was the best third grade lacrosse team, which is why I find it ridiculous that such a good team has to use cheater tactics to win. They are teaching the boys to fall to run out the clock. I don't see how this makes the coaches great!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
hello, express thread!!! 3rd grade igloo and 91 play in your own sand box by your pools.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I see Igloo is now having tryouts for their 2021 to be U10 and looks like starting a U9 2022 team. Can I ask a logical question to see if anyone knows, didn't get a response from the Igloo contact. If the to be U10 team has been together for a number of years and having great success, what are these tryouts for $100 for? Are the starting another team or looking to fill 1 or 2 spots on their 2021 team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Will gladly leave this thread but unfortunately I don't have a pool next to my sandbox.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
how do you know they're teaching they' re boys to lay down?? do you know someone on the team? I think you are just a sore loser!
IGLOO ROCKS keep up the great work coaches
We are all very happy that you Love Igloo Lax. I am sure that all the people involved are great. It looks like that you are going to increase the number of teams you are fielding next year, good for your organization. Maybe one day you will be the next LIE. But is there any way you can register Team Igloo for their own Blog?? That way you can get all the crazies that every other Team Blog gets, annd we don't have to ead about it on the LIE blog. Thanks and good luck in the future of the Igloo.... smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I see Igloo is now having tryouts for their 2021 to be U10 and looks like starting a U9 2022 team. Can I ask a logical question to see if anyone knows, didn't get a response from the Igloo contact. If the to be U10 team has been together for a number of years and having great success, what are these tryouts for $100 for? Are the starting another team or looking to fill 1 or 2 spots on their 2021 team?
all these clubs are big money makers, as you stated the teams are already pretty much set, maybe looking for 1-2 diamonds in the rough, but will take everyone's money
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
4 days of tryouts for 3rd and 4th grade team IGLOO.? Must show up 4 times? Are you people serious?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
My son really wants to tryout for them, so I had to call. Spoke with the coach and he said its a 100 dollars because it is a four day tryout ($25 a day it breaks down it; not that bad) and they are hiring independent evaluators so that everyone has a fair shot of making the team, and it gives kids more time to be confident during the tryout. The guys seemed very concerned about the kids ability to feel comfortable so that the kids could do their best. I thought that was refreshing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Ridiculous!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Agreed. 3rd and 4th graders, two sessions tops. If you've still got bubble kids, invite only those kids back for a third.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
4 days of tryouts for 3rd and 4th grade team IGLOO.? Must show up 4 times? Are you people serious?

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Still no posting of dates & times for Express tryouts. It would be funny if they didn't hold a tryout (especially for older grades) and did a invited placement type thing. Granted there would be loads of $$ left out there by not doing a tryout but it would be different!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
$1800 for 3 tournaments was ridiculous. How much are they going to charge this year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Still no posting of dates & times for Express tryouts. It would be funny if they didn't hold a tryout (especially for older grades) and did a invited placement type thing. Granted there would be loads of $$ left out there by not doing a tryout but it would be different!


Website says they will be poted soon. Wonder if they will be on the same weekend as all the other teams or if they will be earlier.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
So all the below teams posted their tryouts already,
91
Outlaws
Trueblue
Pride
Jesters
Team LI

All EXCEPT EXPRESS! I think its funny as heck! I respect that Express doesn't follow the routine of all these other clubs. They stand alone.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by laxfan14
what does extra travel have to do with the higher fees. they charge more to make more. The express orange teams are the only teams that are worth the money. If you play for blue, white, or any other color you are just making a donation.


I assume they are paying the coaches hotel rooms and maybe some travel fees when playing out of town. That's a cost you don't have when playing on the island.


Good strategy, maybe the want all their kids to delay committing to other teams if they tryout by Express holding their tryouts after all the other major teams are done. That would put a wrinkle in other teams locking down their rosters until mid October...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by laxfan14
what does extra travel have to do with the higher fees. they charge more to make more. The express orange teams are the only teams that are worth the money. If you play for blue, white, or any other color you are just making a donation.


I assume they are paying the coaches hotel rooms and maybe some travel fees when playing out of town. That's a cost you don't have when playing on the island.


Good strategy, maybe the want all their kids to delay committing to other teams if they tryout by Express holding their tryouts after all the other major teams are done. That would put a wrinkle in other teams locking down their rosters until mid October...


You don't delay committing. You either commit or they move on to another kid. Why you try out for ta team and not commit if you made the one you want??? Almost a definate express tryouts will the same weekend as the others or earlier.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Express tweeted that tryouts will be tweeted today, finally!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Can Anyone Tell Me when tryouts for the express girls 2016 team is?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can Anyone Tell Me when tryouts for the express girls 2016 team is?


Details can be found by contacting the Express organization or their website.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Express tryouts posted - $100 for two two hour session is how I read it. Really? So 91 is $55 and express is $100 - at least igloo give you 4 sessions for $100. Taking a quick survey - which is worth it express or 91 or any of the others? Really - $100 tryout? What am I buying for $100 - $200 more and I can send my son to anyon great camp and get more focus and skill training. Really $100 to tryout format team which is not really a tryout since they will take almost all decent players and have
4 teams - why turn away money.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express tryouts posted - $100 for two two hour session is how I read it. Really? So 91 is $55 and express is $100 - at least igloo give you 4 sessions for $100. Taking a quick survey - which is worth it express or 91 or any of the others? Really - $100 tryout? What am I buying for $100 - $200 more and I can send my son to anyon great camp and get more focus and skill training. Really $100 to tryout format team which is not really a tryout since they will take almost all decent players and have
4 teams - why turn away money.

DON'T GO TO THE TRYOUT. Obviously this program is not for you. Stop whining, you are not going to get Barak's ear on this.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express tryouts posted - $100 for two two hour session is how I read it. Really? So 91 is $55 and express is $100 - at least igloo give you 4 sessions for $100. Taking a quick survey - which is worth it express or 91 or any of the others? Really - $100 tryout? What am I buying for $100 - $200 more and I can send my son to anyon great camp and get more focus and skill training. Really $100 to tryout format team which is not really a tryout since they will take almost all decent players and have
4 teams - why turn away money.
Read the fine print for 91 you only need to go to one but if you want to go to both you may sign up again which means pay again
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express tryouts posted - $100 for two two hour session is how I read it. Really? So 91 is $55 and express is $100 - at least igloo give you 4 sessions for $100. Taking a quick survey - which is worth it express or 91 or any of the others? Really - $100 tryout? What am I buying for $100 - $200 more and I can send my son to anyon great camp and get more focus and skill training. Really $100 to tryout format team which is not really a tryout since they will take almost all decent players and have
4 teams - why turn away money.
Read the fine print for 91 you only need to go to one but if you want to go to both you may sign up again which means pay again


Good thinking, chose your club based on the cost of the tryout...if your son makes a team you will be paying $3-$4,000 for a year of lacrosse. That will be a complete waste of money if you have a bad coach and it will be money well spent if you have a good dedicated coach...regardless the $50 extra dollars you spent wont much matter. This may sound absolutely crazy but perhaps the clubs are charging more than last year b/c the fields cost more, insurance costs more, they are getting independent evaluators etc. Perhaps some clubs genuinely feel that a mutltiple day tryout allows the kids to get more comfortable and gives the evaluators a better look at the kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Well said. If it's such a bad deal why is it every year the Express tryouts draw the most kids.
When you register for the tryout it doesnt give a choice of day I am sure that both days are included in the $100. Not to mention the fee is what the fee is you either want your child to play Express or you don't.
Express listed 5summer tournaments for 4th grade up. What will the tournament situation be for 3rd grade in 2013? Will there be 5 also or will they be doing like 91 2nd grade and have a reduced tuition for the younger kids?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by LaxMom1310
Express listed 5summer tournaments for 4th grade up. What will the tournament situation be for 3rd grade in 2013? Will there be 5 also or will they be doing like 91 2nd grade and have a reduced tuition for the younger kids?


I have a 3rd grade son that is a decent laxer...I have spent some time looking at the options...as best I can tell all of the programs cost about the same, some are all-inclusive and some are a la carte. Look what Igloo is offering for 3-4 graders...fall league play and practice, winter league play and practice, spring league play and pratice plus summer practice and 5 tournaments plus a great package of gear. Igloo even lays out the cost per item...take that information and compare it to what you get elsewhere. dont be fooled by cheaper programs chances are they arent offering off-season training, or league play is additional etc.
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The Mustangs give him the fields for free. Little or no insurance, Evaluators all on payroll already. it is 95% profit. Please stop the BS.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
How does the Town of Oyster Bay let the fields be used for free in this economic environment ?
The town of oyster bay gets a bond downgrade and one of the reasons was because of declining revenue.
Charge for the fields. This will add some revenue.
All the club teams should be paying for the fields.
It seems Express has the Massapequa fields locked up. Why is that?
Do they have any of the other Town of Oyster Bay fields for tryouts?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Same story every year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Then go elsewhere ! No one is holding a gun to your head
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Ask Mike "This is a FOR Profit" team Chanenchuk that question...>Express only participate in tourneys MR Chanenchuck and friends can profit from. Don't listen to "it's all about the kids". LI Express is all about how much can Mike and friends make while making it sound as if there's a scholarship awaiting every LI Express player. If your kid doesn't make the Express A team, run for the hills. Then again, save your $100 ($100 to tryout....talk about being pompous) and go get coached by others who have just as much experience and superior coaching.....its easy to figure out which teams they are...they're listed under Long Island Clubs on this website
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Maybe ti's time for the Express and all the other "elite" teams to start telling all parents how many actual sports are open on each team prior to tryouts? Why isn't this happening now? Because at $100/kid x 100 to 200 kids at each age, they're making money hand over fist
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Go elsewhere. Consumers have choices.
Why is the express pompous for charging $100 for two days of tryouts but 91 isn't and they are charging $55 per day??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
And while other clubs rent fields, Mr Chanechuk gets his field time for free courtesy of tax payers
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
The real question is not how much the try out cost how much does THE SUMMER COST. Last year he did not tell you wwhat you where paying until you recieved the invite that you made the team. HE CHARGED EVRYONE AN EXTRA $260 DOLLARS. You should just walk off the cliff how do you buy something not knowing what it cost. Stop drinking the coolade and wake up or just mail your check and stay home.
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Watch out current members of 2016 Orange, that's not a light at the end of the tunnel - it's the Chaminade, St Anthony's and Kellenberg freight train.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And while other clubs rent fields, Mr Chanechuk gets his field time for free courtesy of tax payers


someone please do a freedom of information and find out exactly who has these permits and how much they do and do not pay for them and then lets put this subject to rest for ever. I also never understood why this is all on MC, aren't there 4 directors of LI Express? and don't these other men have more prominent coaching positions in HS coaching? and do they or do they not benefit from the sweetheart deals that may or may not exist between TOB and LI Express and why are these men never called out on this while MC is constantly raked over the coals?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
fl$ wants 125.00 a tryout. That is absurd!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I am amazed by all of this. There is a very simple solution for the people how have a “problem’ with Club Lacrosse Teams.

Don’t play for them, Don’t go to their tryouts and Don’t come on this site and complain about their business.

Follow the three easy steps listed above and your “Problem” will go away.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Dont hold your breath. What's the matter your son still sitting on the bench. Take a hike !!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dont hold your breath. What's the matter your son still sitting on the bench. Take a hike !!


who are you responding to?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
All spring and summer there were Jesters teams practicing on TOB fields. I also saw 91 teams practicing on them. If Express has the fields "locked up", how does that happen?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watch out current members of 2016 Orange, that's not a light at the end of the tunnel - it's the Chaminade, St Anthony's and Kellenberg freight train.


Happens every year freshman year. They see who comimits to St Anthony or Chaminade and then the tie always goes to those kids over a public school kid. There is room for a few exceptions but count on seeing the majority of black and red helmets and even moreso each year that passes. That is the express agenda. There is still time to enroll in Chaminade if youve put your deposit in but it has to be before classes start. St Anthony's will take a kid later. If you are not sure how this will work out get your kid into one of those two schools ASAP to swing the odds in your favor. Either way you cant go wrong with a better education and a less stressful express experience.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ask Mike "This is a FOR Profit" team Chanenchuk that question...>Express only participate in tourneys MR Chanenchuck and friends can profit from. Don't listen to "it's all about the kids". LI Express is all about how much can Mike and friends make while making it sound as if there's a scholarship awaiting every LI Express player. If your kid doesn't make the Express A team, run for the hills. Then again, save your $100 ($100 to tryout....talk about being pompous) and go get coached by others who have just as much experience and superior coaching.....its easy to figure out which teams they are...they're listed under Long Island Clubs on this website


I do not believe LI Express has ever pretended they were a "Not-for-Profit". They are a business and as such can and will make money. It's that simple!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watch out current members of 2016 Orange, that's not a light at the end of the tunnel - it's the Chaminade, St Anthony's and Kellenberg freight train.


Happens every year freshman year. They see who comimits to St Anthony or Chaminade and then the tie always goes to those kids over a public school kid. There is room for a few exceptions but count on seeing the majority of black and red helmets and even moreso each year that passes. That is the express agenda. There is still time to enroll in Chaminade if youve put your deposit in but it has to be before classes start. St Anthony's will take a kid later. If you are not sure how this will work out get your kid into one of those two schools ASAP to swing the odds in your favor. Either way you cant go wrong with a better education and a less stressful express experience.


I agree. Worked for my kid. He made Orange and had never played Express before. Some public school kids at his position are now on Blue or left the club. My kid is good but I can't say he's better but he made a very good school choice that is working well academically and on the field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Do you really think so ? Years ago when I ran a softball team there was no such thing as a free field. Taking the current economic state of the county I doubt anyone is getting anything for free.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watch out current members of 2016 Orange, that's not a light at the end of the tunnel - it's the Chaminade, St Anthony's and Kellenberg freight train.


Happens every year freshman year. They see who comimits to St Anthony or Chaminade and then the tie always goes to those kids over a public school kid. There is room for a few exceptions but count on seeing the majority of black and red helmets and even moreso each year that passes. That is the express agenda. There is still time to enroll in Chaminade if youve put your deposit in but it has to be before classes start. St Anthony's will take a kid later. If you are not sure how this will work out get your kid into one of those two schools ASAP to swing the odds in your favor. Either way you cant go wrong with a better education and a less stressful express experience.


I agree. Worked for my kid. He made Orange and had never played Express before. Some public school kids at his position are now on Blue or left the club. My kid is good but I can't say he's better but he made a very good school choice that is working well academically and on the field.


You're proud of this? "My kid is good but I can't say he's better" but, because you pay for your child to go to the coaches school he made the team? Jeeze, I'd be embarrassed to admit that.
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MC also gets free fields for his OBLL.
If any club can afford to give some money back in this economy it's the Express. Pretty funny that their address is based in Suffolk county. I live in TOB and find it ridiculous that the fields we so desperately needed because of the large amount of kids in the town are handed over to an organization that is based in not only another township but another county.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
So how difficult is the competition to get a spot on the Express 2016 team assuming that your kid is going to Chaminade or St. Anthony's?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MC also gets free fields for his OBLL.
If any club can afford to give some money back in this economy it's the Express. Pretty funny that their address is based in Suffolk county. I live in TOB and find it ridiculous that the fields we so desperately needed because of the large amount of kids in the town are handed over to an organization that is based in not only another township but another county.

Maybe the District Attorney should examine who is on these rosters and I would bet , I mean I know there will be TOB employees kids names. They probably don't pay tuition and don't belong on the team.
District Attorney??? Maybe we can get her to REALLY find out who shot JR...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MC also gets free fields for his OBLL.
If any club can afford to give some money back in this economy it's the Express. Pretty funny that their address is based in Suffolk county. I live in TOB and find it ridiculous that the fields we so desperately needed because of the large amount of kids in the town are handed over to an organization that is based in not only another township but another county.

Maybe the District Attorney should examine who is on these rosters and I would bet , I mean I know there will be TOB employees kids names. They probably don't pay tuition and don't belong on the team.

Hopefully you hold our elected officials to the same scrutiny. Perhaps you should consider a different activity like chess for your kid
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]MC also gets free fields for his OBLL.
If any club can afford to give some money back in this economy it's the Express. Pretty funny that their address is based in Suffolk county. I live in TOB and find it ridiculous that the fields we so desperately needed because of the large amount of kids in the town are handed over to an organization that is based in not only another township but another county.

Maybe the District Attorney should examine who is on these rosters and I would bet , I mean I know there will be TOB employees kids names. They probably don't pay tuition and don't belong on the team.
Hopefully you hold our elected officials to the same scrutiny. Perhaps you should consider a different activity like chess for your kid


Maybe things just aren't for free , try and ask MC to coach for free and see his response. It's called profits and expenses and all travel teams should pay for field usage unless it is for that towns not-for- profit / PAL teams. Why is that so hard for people to wrap their heads around that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Is there any law that prohibits for-profit groups using the town of oyster bay fields for free ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there any law that prohibits for-profit groups using the town of oyster bay fields for free ?


If I remember correctly, a majority percentage (60% perhaps) of the groups's users need to be TOB residents to use the facilites for free.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Does anyone know with 100% certainty that the fields are not being paid for ? Or is this just another bashing of the Express and MC.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there any law that prohibits for-profit groups using the town of oyster bay fields for free ?


From the TOB website:

FIELD RESERVATIONS

The Permits Division coordinates scheduling for all playing fields, which must be reserved for use during their seasons. Residency requirements must be met. For information, call (516) 797-4120.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there any law that prohibits for-profit groups using the town of oyster bay fields for free ?

The only organizations that can apply for field use permits are not for profits but what happens is these not for profits obtain field permits and the powers that be of said not for profits turn over use to these pirates like MC and others. Now here is the tricky part what is the benefit given to the directors of these organizations and why shouldn't this practice be stopped. But yes there is a law that prohibits these guys from using these fields for profit and there is a long standing something for something arrangement that goes along with this , be it Express , 91 or any other big franchises.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
does anybody know the rules about field usage for SUNY Farmingdale, is 91 paying for these fields? of never mind, I don't really care
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
does anybody know the rules about field usage for SUNY Farmingdale, is 91 paying for these fields? of never mind, I don't really care


If anyone ever wondered what passive aggressive is just read the above post, wowzer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
yes. they do pay for them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
So i guess its cool that the "for profit" Jesters were allowed to practice on town fields all spring and summer? Does their director get the fields to get all their field time by calling this number?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
One of the 'for profit' LI Jester Directors lives in the TOB. Also many of the players reside in the TOB, so this could be the reason they use the TOB fields.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw MC at TOBAY beach last night. I wonder who he knew to get that beach?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
You need new material. Joke geting old
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I think all these accusations will come to a head soon enough and the free ride will end for all of these travel programs . There are TOB park commissioners very aware of what has gone on and soon enough the Town board will have these issues in front of them.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think all these accusations will come to a head soon enough and the free ride will end for all of these travel programs . There are TOB park commissioners very aware of what has gone on and soon enough the Town board will have these issues in front of them.
While everyone is trying to "stick it" to this program or that program, stop and think for a minute.

If these town fields are no longer available at their current prices, who do you think is going to be picking up the tab?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think all these accusations will come to a head soon enough and the free ride will end for all of these travel programs . There are TOB park commissioners very aware of what has gone on and soon enough the Town board will have these issues in front of them.
While everyone is trying to "stick it" to this program or that program, stop and think for a minute.

If these town fields are no longer available at their current prices, who do you think is going to be picking up the tab?

Well said but even worse what about the kids who want to play. This is a bunch of jealous people that do not understand the hard work these kids put in it is a shame they would suffer
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Plaease stop now. Express will soon be $ 2,000
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think all these accusations will come to a head soon enough and the free ride will end for all of these travel programs . There are TOB park commissioners very aware of what has gone on and soon enough the Town board will have these issues in front of them.
While everyone is trying to "stick it" to this program or that program, stop and think for a minute.

If these town fields are no longer available at their current prices, who do you think is going to be picking up the tab?


True but it would be fair and equitable for TOB residents to know that for profit groups are paying their fair share for the use of these fields. I am not saying TOWN PAL teams should pay because they are residents of that park district and it is run by volunteers. Regardless of anyone's opinion these fields are built with and maintained with taxpayer money.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
All of this nonsense about who pays for what fields is going to lead to one thing, Illeagal Alliens playing soccer on the nice turf fields that our kids once practiced on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
lol, so true!! be careful what you wish for.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of this nonsense about who pays for what fields is going to lead to one thing, Illeagal Alliens playing soccer on the nice turf fields that our kids once practiced on.


Cagesage - this post should be taken down at once - this is no place for Xenophobic racist remarks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Xenophobia is defined as an intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries[1] or as an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.[2] It comes from the Greek words &#958;&#941;&#957;&#959;&#962; (xenos), meaning "stranger," "foreigner," and &#966;&#972;&#946;&#959;&#962; (phobos), meaning "fear."[3]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of this nonsense about who pays for what fields is going to lead to one thing, Illeagal Alliens playing soccer on the nice turf fields that our kids once practiced on.


Cagesage - this post should be taken down at once - this is no place for Xenophobic racist remarks
Didn't the fact that the post called out "Illeagal Alliens" pretty much invalidate the contents from the outset?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of this nonsense about who pays for what fields is going to lead to one thing, Illeagal Alliens playing soccer on the nice turf fields that our kids once practiced on.


Cagesage - this post should be taken down at once - this is no place for Xenophobic racist remarks
Didn't the fact that the post called out "Illeagal Alliens" pretty much invalidate the contents from the outset?


I was NOT offended by soccer, the offense was the assumption that any person with darker skin then the average lacrosse player and is playing soccer must be an illegal alien - had they just said "be careful because the turf would be used by kids playing soccer on the nice fields that our kids once practiced on" then the point would be well taken - but heaven forbid us white lacrosse parents make trouble about who has permits because then our precious turf fields with be over run by illegals who sneak into this country for our turf.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of this nonsense about who pays for what fields is going to lead to one thing, Illeagal Alliens playing soccer on the nice turf fields that our kids once practiced on.


Cagesage - this post should be taken down at once - this is no place for Xenophobic racist remarks
Didn't the fact that the post called out "Illeagal Alliens" pretty much invalidate the contents from the outset?


invalidated the content for people that have a clue maybe but the first reply was "lol, so true!! be careful what you wish for." - lol, so true....I guess it didn't invalidate for that person. - the post should never have been allowed to remain.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I am curious what town they are speaking of.

I know my town has an issue of having a hard time getting permits (recently we were utilization could only be granted if the team was 100% town residents), but for some reason there is always a pickup game of soccer going on utilizing the cages (until the school took them in).

But my town is very eclectic (ok diverse) and anyone posting that it is illigal aliens is just ignorant. They live in the town they just dont need a permit because they dont care.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Give it a break you liberal jackasses!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
That is great he is a good man
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Tell it like it is !! Great post
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Whoever is on this thread spewing venom is real gutter trash. As far as fields being used I have no problem paying a little extra if it's the politically correct thing to do. I also don't believe all people should have the privilege to use fields whenever they like.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am curious what town they are speaking of.

I know my town has an issue of having a hard time getting permits (recently we were utilization could only be granted if the team was 100% town residents), but for some reason there is always a pickup game of soccer going on utilizing the cages (until the school took them in).

But my town is very eclectic (ok diverse) and anyone posting that it is illigal aliens is just ignorant. They live in the town they just dont need a permit because they dont care.

Could it be that your fear of being considered ignorant causes you to immediately defend those who offend? How are you privvy to the info regarding their residency status? Also, maybe they SHOULD "care" about obtaining proper permits. We DO care about our town fields and DO NOT fear discarding the naiive "PC" mindset. It gets people hurt in so many ways.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
And you voted for OBAMA too !!!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Does anyone have a rough idea of how many kids typically tryout for Express each year, 8th and 9th grade?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Last year they had roughly 200 trying out for the 9th grade (2015). But the 2015 class is generally considered to be much deeper than 2016. Enough talent in 2015 to have at least 4 or 5 excellent teams on the Island (Express, fl$, Jesters, Ballers). It seems like the 2016 class only has one good team on the Island.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Which team would that be?? Express 2016?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
That would be the one - and they're not anywhere close to the best of the talent of the grade above them (Orange 2015).
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Obviously that's your opinion and you know what they say about opinions
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Does anyone have any idea how many kids tried out yesterday for 2016?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
How many teams does Express usually field for each age group or do they decide based on how many go to tryouts and the talent pool each year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Funny that 2016 Orange beat the 2015 Blue...so much for that theory
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
That was a bad 2015 Blue team so nothing to write home about. Wasn't talking about that anyway. The 2015 Orange would crush the 2016 Orange 20-0. The 2015 group is light years ahead of where the 2016 group is.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Of course it was a bad team would not expect any other comment but that. 2015 Orange probably would beat 2016 Orange. Just a little foolish on your part to make a blanket statement about 2016 in general, but what do I know
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
That 2015 blue team had absolutely nobody good on it and yet Orange 2016 only squeaked by them and yet they are the only 2016 team that could beat 2015 blue. The grade is weak except for one team. That's why they only play teams off-island.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Your opinion, though not correct. 2016 Orange did play on the island and did win on the island. Also, played off the island.
Lost 2 games in Md and won the rest in Md, Ct. Thanks for your input
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
2016 plyed in the JV bracket of Andy Forsberg and won all their games, including 2015 Blue
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That 2015 blue team had absolutely nobody good on it and yet Orange 2016 only squeaked by them and yet they are the only 2016 team that could beat 2015 blue. The grade is weak except for one team. That's why they only play teams off-island.


Dragging up that old arguement again? LOL. Except for the one team you can't afford to play and whose name shall not be mentioned. The Express's world would end if the game was close or dare I say, they lose.

Don't bother responding, all we have to do is go back in the thread to see the Express approved standard rebuttals. I'd be more interested in hearing about the the kids who got held back last year who will be playing as 2016 grads this year instead of 2015's
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
These comments are ridiculous and if you take the time to read them back you would realize this is stupidity. Maybe everyone should try playing nicely in the sandbox instead of throwing sand in each others eyes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
You have no idea what you're talking about. 2015 blue had MANY good players on it and an awesome coach. Does it make you feel good about yourself to trash kids??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
How many Blue players got Blue Chip and Maverick showtime invites from 2015s or 2016s . The answer - 0 . If your not on orange, you are wasting your money. Look elsewhere
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Excellent point. If you are not on the Orange team, then why bother with the express in the 2016 and 2015 age groups. They will do nothing for you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
I think about 110 or so.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Excellent point. If you are not on the Orange team, then why bother with the express in the 2016 and 2015 age groups. They will do nothing for you.


Ok. Then what are the best alternatives for express blue kids who are very good players but for whatever reason can't crack the Orange? Where else can they possibly get invites to maverick show time and blue chip? fl$ 2015 is pretty locked up and any new kids at this point won't get invites over others that have been there for several years. Any other clubs with a track record of sending kids to those camps?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Excellent point. If you are not on the Orange team, then why bother with the express in the 2016 and 2015 age groups. They will do nothing for you.


Ok. Then what are the best alternatives for express blue kids who are very good players but for whatever reason can't crack the Orange? Where else can they possibly get invites to maverick show time and blue chip? fl$ 2015 is pretty locked up and any new kids at this point won't get invites over others that have been there for several years. Any other clubs with a track record of sending kids to those camps?


Outlaws get A LOT of kids into camps.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Excellent point. If you are not on the Orange team, then why bother with the express in the 2016 and 2015 age groups. They will do nothing for you.


Ok. Then what are the best alternatives for express blue kids who are very good players but for whatever reason can't crack the Orange? Where else can they possibly get invites to maverick show time and blue chip? fl$ 2015 is pretty locked up and any new kids at this point won't get invites over others that have been there for several years. Any other clubs with a track record of sending kids to those camps?


Outlaws get A LOT of kids into camps.


Realize that HS varsity coaches get most of the kids the invites. Good club programs just support the invite.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Jesters had a bunch also.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
How many 2015 kids did Outlaws or Jesters get into Jake Reed or Maverick last year? I can think of two.
2015 outlaws had 4 at Jake Reed
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many 2015 kids did Outlaws or Jesters get into Jake Reed or Maverick last year? I can think of two.


Maybe a kid that can't crack express orange is a very good player but not good enough to get an invite to Jake Reed or Showtime? anybody that wanted to go to Jake Reed and did not get a direct invite had the opportunity to go to 3D in Fla and earn an invitation on the field, 1/2 of all of Jake Reed campers went this route so it didn't matter who they played for. there are 175 invites for showtime and it is a national event so how many invites can LI have 30? 40? if 25% come from LI, that would be about 44 kids> You have, Jester, Express, Ballers, 91, fl$ as well as a lot of kids playing town (WI, WM ect) so all I am saying is if a kid can't make Orange and can't make fl$ chances are that finding another club just to get invites may not be practical, also with invitations going out this week for showtime and end of month for Jake Reed changing clubs now will not even help for next summer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many 2015 kids did Outlaws or Jesters get into Jake Reed or Maverick last year? I can think of two.


And how many of the express kids on under armour team were gifted their spots by their express directors, who coincidentally were the under armour coaches?.....I can think of a lot more than two. The point is that these spots have a lot more to do with politics than people will admit, and many more talented players are ignored to make room for kids that are connected. Sonletsnnot pretend that the number of camp invites is an accurate measure of level of play of any specific club team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
True Blue has already made moves for kids..good things going on there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many 2015 kids did Outlaws or Jesters get into Jake Reed or Maverick last year? I can think of two.


Maybe a kid that can't crack express orange is a very good player but not good enough to get an invite to Jake Reed or Showtime? anybody that wanted to go to Jake Reed and did not get a direct invite had the opportunity to go to 3D in Fla and earn an invitation on the field, 1/2 of all of Jake Reed campers went this route so it didn't matter who they played for. there are 175 invites for showtime and it is a national event so how many invites can LI have 30? 40? if 25% come from LI, that would be about 44 kids> You have, Jester, Express, Ballers, 91, fl$ as well as a lot of kids playing town (WI, WM ect) so all I am saying is if a kid can't make Orange and can't make fl$ chances are that finding another club just to get invites may not be practical, also with invitations going out this week for showtime and end of month for Jake Reed changing clubs now will not even help for next summer.


Don't get crazy over Jake and Showtime. We know lots of families that have had their sons recruited by several top 20 schools that did not go to either camp. Its not the only game in town by any stretch and if you don't go its not the end of the world. There are tons of other great camps - school specific as well that are open to just about everybody. If your son does well at those venues he'll be recruited along with the rest of the "chosen". Besides, if your kid doesn't have the work ethic in the classroom, neither Jake now Showtime can make up for that. Trust me.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Not making comments about Jake Reed or Maverick - just responding to a previous post who said "A LOT" of kids from Jesters and Outlaws make Jake Reed and Maverick. That simply isn't accurate. Both teams had very successful 2014 teams with lots of talented kids. The dropoff from those teams to younger teams is dramatic. It simply is a fact.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not making comments about Jake Reed or Maverick - just responding to a previous post who said "A LOT" of kids from Jesters and Outlaws make Jake Reed and Maverick. That simply isn't accurate. Both teams had very successful 2014 teams with lots of talented kids. The dropoff from those teams to younger teams is dramatic. It simply is a fact.


That maybe for the Jesters, but not Outlaws.

Outlaws 2016 is very very good, probably will be better than 2014. They also have a very good team at the 2017, 2018, and 2019 age levels. And like most people know, the outlaws teams develop over years and become very very talented. Outlaws are well respected by showtime, jake Reid and many other camps.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not making comments about Jake Reed or Maverick - just responding to a previous post who said "A LOT" of kids from Jesters and Outlaws make Jake Reed and Maverick. That simply isn't accurate. Both teams had very successful 2014 teams with lots of talented kids. The dropoff from those teams to younger teams is dramatic. It simply is a fact.


That maybe for the Jesters, but not Outlaws.

Outlaws 2016 is very very good, probably will be better than 2014. They also have a very good team at the 2017, 2018, and 2019 age levels. And like most people know, the outlaws teams develop over years and become very very talented. Outlaws are well respected by showtime, jake Reid and many other camps.

2017? Really??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Long Island Express Lacrosse -
Outlaws are respected because they are a class organization. No doubt. But to say they get "A LOT" of kids into